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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2017, 02:57:32 PM
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Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
Source: The #Jets (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash) are trading for #49ers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash) CB Rashard Robinson.
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I don't know anything about him but:
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
Just 22 years old, #49ers CB Rashard Robinson has battled penalties, but the talent has been clear. Gets a fresh start for the #Jets.
He and Skrine can battle each other over who can be more penalized?
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Seems promising on the field. Talented, tall press corner. Penalties were a problem. Not a great background off the field, but maybe that's in the past. Of course this is just from a little googlin'. SF fans don't seem too thrilled with his performance.
Wonder what we gave up. Hopefully a 2027 conditional 35th rounder.
Not looking promising for Burris. He must really be in the doghouse. 2 corners drafted in 2017, now this dude. None of them slot corners.
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Rumor is we gave up a 2018 5th for him.
Peter Schrager
Sounds like 49ers got a 5th for Rashard Robinson.
Looks like Duff got the short end of the stick here. Apparently he's a penalty machine. Then again, it doesn't seem like his problem is his ability to make plays, it's penalties. No idea how easy that is to clean up. He's only 22, so there's that. Seeing that Bowles didn't know about it during the presser, I doubt he had any say in it.
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Well...Justin Burris and Buster Skrine both suck. If this guy can stay out of trouble, a 5th rounder might've been worth it.
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Well...Justin Burris and Buster Skrine both suck. If this guy can stay out of trouble, a 5th rounder might've been worth it.
I'm a hopeless sunshiner, but I'll say we've done worse with a 5th round pick.
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Ok, I guess.
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Sounds good. He probably figures this guy is better than anyone he's getting in the 5th round, so be it. What's the worst thing that can happen? The guy sucks? And?
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Claiborne didn't practice today. This may have been a move Maccagnan made to ensure that the Jets had someone to play the position. Skrine's still in the concussion protocol. That leaves Burris and Roberts, and now Robinson.
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Yeah, I don't have a problem with "wasting" a 5th rounder by taking a flyer on a guy.
I wonder if he returns kicks?
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As long as he is better than Skrine (and pretty much anybody passes that test) it's probably worth the 5
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Apparently Rashard Robinson had a blowup on the sidelines last week, throwing his helmet and yelling at an assistant.
I guess we're just loading up on LSU defensive backs. He's 22 years old, so he's 2 years younger than Marcus Maye.
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Throwing your helmet and/or yelling at/about coaches seems like a new requirement for this team.
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Robinson is super talented but was always kind of a turd.
I wonder if Claiborne’s injury isn’t worse than expected...
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I'll take it . Especially with Skrine and Burris likely gone after this year. Considering the current injury situation, we need them now .
Always hard to critixicze a 5th rd move
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If he continually gets penalized and isn’t smart/aware enough to correct the problem, then it doesn’t matter how talented he is.
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I wonder if Claiborne’s injury isn’t worse than expected...
First thing that crossed my mind.
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I'm inclined to think that it's more likely that they feel they've seen plenty of Burris, Roberts and Skrine, and that a fifth round pick for a young player with a fair degree of talent seems like a good punt given we're in a rebuild.
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Couple of opinions from Niners fans on /r/nfl:
Okay?
Raisin cookies are "okay". Rashard Robinson was "raisin cookies you thought were chocolate chip cookies" bad.
He spent half the plays reenacting the end of Titanic, screaming "I'll never let go" as he hugged whoever he was covering. The other half he spent celebrating regular plays during blowout games. I don't know if I've ever seen him in the endzone without a fist full of someone's jersey.
The dude commit so many penalties that, even after being benched last week, he STILL managed to get two penalties on Special Teams.
Seriously, the dude could sew a quilt with all the flags he has amassed over his two seasons in the league. He's had 23 penalties in 24 games.
And
don't let the rest of these morons confuse you, he is a good player. He has had penalty issues in this scheme but a lot of that is the 0 freaking pass rush that means he's covering for like 7 seconds. He has legitimately shutdown corner potential and is a Pro Bowler if used correctly. He's getting traded for the same reason Bowman and Kerley were released- this regime does not like the players it inherited and wants a completely clean slate.
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If he sucks, he's Retard Robinson.
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I mean if we're moving forward with the current regime then by all means trade for a young guy you can develop.
I don't think we should be moving forward with the current regime, though, so I'd prefer to have the pick. I want the ability to move up in April without pinching from 2019.
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I mean if we're moving forward with the current regime then by all means trade for a young guy you can develop.
I don't think we should be moving forward with the current regime, though, so I'd prefer to have the pick. I want the ability to move up in April without pinching from 2019.
This. If the 49ers don’t want him, I don’t really want him either. I much rather would have taken a CB in the 5th in the draft that I knew didn’t have flag issues.
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I want the ability to move up in April without pinching from 2019.
A 5th round will make no difference moving up... and if we move up, I don't see how we don't tap into next year's draft, even with two 2nd round picks this year.
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A 5th round will make no difference moving up...
It's currency. It always matters.
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If the 49ers don’t want him, I don’t really want him either.
John Lynch is their GM. He's a freaking idiot.
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They still have the Cowboys pick in the 5th. I suppose you can say this about pretty much every round, but its not like this team has a great track record in the 5th round. Though the immortal Derek Pagel immediately comes to mind. Shame Burris hasn't worked out or I don't think this happens.
Any trade up to get a quarterback is going to hurt no matter what, I really don't see myself ruing the day we traded that 5th round pick. It's going to cost picks in the first three rounds.
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John Lynch is their GM. He's a freaking idiot.
A little too early to tell on John Lynch as GM, isn't it? He maneuvered around last year's draft very well. Who knows about Garoppolo, but if he works out, then he looks like a genius.
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The current regime's round 5 history:
Jarvis Harrison
Brandon Shell
Jordan Leggett
Dylan Donahue
Idzik's 5th rounders:
Oday Aboushi
Jeremiah George
There were no 5th rounders in 2012, and in 2011 they picked Jeremy Kerley. The previous two before that were John Conner and Erik Ainge.
Let's not act like missing out on a 5th round pick is going to cripple this team long-term. They still have a pick in the round, and they got a guy with some talent who can hopefully contribute.
If Claiborne is out for an extended period, would you be happy watching Skrine, Burris, and Roberts in coverage?
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22 year old corner with starting potential for a 5th is a no brainer.
I don't have the time to dig too deep, but doesn't he play outside? As long as Skrine is around we need Skrine playing slot. He's not completely awful at that.
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If he sucks, he's Retard Robinson.
Moron Butthole Robinson
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Moron Butthole Robinson
Well obviously. Brown Hitler Robinson was a close third.
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https://deadspin.com/todd-bowles-learns-of-jets-trade-from-reporter-at-press-1820044152 (https://deadspin.com/todd-bowles-learns-of-jets-trade-from-reporter-at-press-1820044152)
Hahahaha! Ahhh, this freaking team...
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https://deadspin.com/todd-bowles-learns-of-jets-trade-from-reporter-at-press-1820044152 (https://deadspin.com/todd-bowles-learns-of-jets-trade-from-reporter-at-press-1820044152)
Hahahaha! Ahhh, this freaking team...
He was out at practice all day and just got in. I doubt Macc is giving him live trade updates at practice. Who is to say they hadn't talked about Robinson earlier and he just wasn't aware they had made the trade.
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I'd maybe be a little bit more concerned about that if they'd traded a player for Robinson, but a fifth round pick? That's the GM's currency to do with as he wishes. I'm pretty sure that Bowles and Maccagnan will have spoken at some length about the injuries and lack of talent/depth at corner, so while he might not have known that the Robinson deal was happening I doubt that the Jets acquiring a CB will have been a great shock. Not that you'd know anyway, because frankly I think you could tell Bowles that we'd just traded a 6th round pick and a used tackle sled for Odell Beckham and he'd demonstrate the emotion of a picnic table.
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I honestly don't think this is as big a deal as the beat guys are making it. When Bowles entered the presser, right after conducting practice, there were no trades in the works that he knew of. I would assume that while Bowles was on the practice field, working with the team, Maccagnan was on the phones seeing what he could trade for or trade away. He found an opportunity to bring in a young player for a later round draft pick that wasn't there the last time he and Bowles spoke.
The laugher story from yesterday was the Browns and it's not even close. No matter how hard the Jets beat tries.
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I'd maybe be a little bit more concerned about that if they'd traded a player for Robinson, but a fifth round pick? That's the GM's currency to do with as he wishes. I'm pretty sure that Bowles and Maccagnan will have spoken at some length about the injuries and lack of talent/depth at corner, so while he might not have known that the Robinson deal was happening I doubt that the Jets acquiring a CB will have been a great shock. Not that you'd know anyway, because frankly I think you could tell Bowles that we'd just traded a 6th round pick and a used tackle sled for Odell Beckham and he'd demonstrate the emotion of a picnic table.
Do you think Bowles gives out Halloween candy to fun-loving children?
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Do you think Bowles gives out Halloween candy to fun-loving children?
(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/todd-bowles-reaction-to-ryan-fitzpatrick-ints.gif)
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Do you think Bowles gives out Halloween candy to fun-loving children?
Probably chocolate chip cookies.
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Jets CB Rashard Robinson has been arrested for drug possession and careless driving.
Robinson was pulled over and found with "THC infused Peanut Budda Buddah Candy." They're not exactly earth-shattering charges, though Robinson was also arrested in 2015 at LSU. Robinson played sparingly for the Jets after coming over in a deadline deal from the 49ers.
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Where can I buy this candy?
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Where can I buy this candy?
https://hempfieldcandy.com/loudpackcandy/home/132-buddha-bud-sour-gummy-bears.html
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Big dummy.
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Was it ever determined what we gave up for him?
He doesn't seem like a candidate to be on the team next fall if we bring in literally any corners this offseason
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Was it ever determined what we gave up for him?
He doesn't seem like a candidate to be on the team next fall if we bring in literally any corners this offseason
5th rounder I believe.
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Was it ever determined what we gave up for him?
He doesn't seem like a candidate to be on the team next fall if we bring in literally any corners this offseason
Even if they don't bring in any corners, I doubt he has a job here after this.
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Even if they don't bring in any corners, I doubt he has a job here after this.
This
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Brian Costello
Jets were not aware that Rashard Robinson had been arrested two days prior when he played against the Saints. He was inactive for the final 2 games #nyj
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You always need depth at CB. They really should just let these guys smoke.
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Bad trade
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Bad trade
Seen worse. :D
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Bad trade
I don't think so.
We gave up a 5th rounder for a cornerback with starting experience and a lot of ability. I'm not sure what people were expecting from him when he was acquired in the middle of the season.
The arrest certainly doesn't look good, but no GM can predict something like that.
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Since they benched him the last two games after the team found out about his arrest, I wonder if there's any chance he returns.
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Since they benched him the last two games after the team found out about his arrest, I wonder if there's any chance he returns.
If they don't cut him before free agency starts, he'll most likely get a chance to compete.
I think he's more talented than Daryl Roberts and Juston Burris. He definitely has to get caught up with the playbook, which seemed to be his problem here more than anything.
A lot depends on what the staff thinks of Jeremy Clark and Derrick Jones too.
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I don't think so.
We gave up a 5th rounder for a cornerback with starting experience and a lot of ability. I'm not sure what people were expecting from him when he was acquired in the middle of the season.
The arrest certainly doesn't look good, but no GM can predict something like that.
I expected better play (even if more penalties) than Skrine and Roberts to that point. He couldn't even provide that.
Since they benched him the last two games after the team found out about his arrest, I wonder if there's any chance he returns.
You have to figure he'll be suspended at some point. This team can't waste a cornerback roster spot on a guy who may miss time. Not to mention a guy who barely got on the field and wasn't very good when he did.
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I expected better play (even if more penalties) than Skrine and Roberts to that point. He couldn't even provide that.
That's your fault for expecting a depth acquisition to outperform Buster Skrine, who has started in this system for three seasons.
Skrine had a lot of bad penalties this season, but he was actually really good down the final stretch and he may have saved his roster spot.
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That's your fault for expecting a depth acquisition to outperform Buster Skrine, who has started in this system for three seasons.
Skrine had a lot of bad penalties this season, but he was actually really good down the final stretch and he may have saved his roster spot.
Absolutely, that's why I included the part "to that point." I said a number of times that Skrine really played much better late in the season, especially after the "tennis ball" drills. I actually like Skrine when he's not making bone-headed penalties.
I'll take a lump for expecting Robinson to have been more than a depth acquisition though. I expected him, after having already been a starter, to at least be able to play the opposite outside corner position from Claiborne. It shouldn't have been hard to beat out Roberts or Burris.
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Since they benched him the last two games after the team found out about his arrest, I wonder if there's any chance he returns.
The arrest was weed, right? He didn't kill anyone or drag his unconscious wife through a casino, did he? Shouldn't be a career killer.
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I don't think they cut him. It puts him at a disadvantage when it comes to making the team next year because he probably gets suspended, but I think they bring him back. If they don't bring him back, I don't think this would be the only reason.
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That's your fault for expecting a depth acquisition to outperform Buster Skrine, who has started in this system for three seasons.
Skrine had a lot of bad penalties this season, but he was actually really good down the final stretch and he may have saved his roster spot.
This seems to be the same story every year
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Bad trade
very very bad trade
(http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/1564796/400full-brian-george.jpg)
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I don't think so.
We gave up a 5th rounder for a cornerback with starting experience and a lot of ability. I'm not sure what people were expecting from him when he was acquired in the middle of the season.
The arrest certainly doesn't look good, but no GM can predict something like that.
None of that matters. This guy is a complete clown. He just no-showed for his court date.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/01/jets_rashard_robinson_arrested_for_marijuana_posse.html
He’s a complete shithead, didn’t show any on the field ability for us last season, and is an absolute penalty machine. I’ll wont surprised if he’s not on the roster next season.
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The arrest certainly doesn't look good, but no GM can predict something like that.
“Citing 49ers sources, the report states that Robinson had “an embarrassing and troubling incident on a 49ers flight earlier this season,” and also that he “got into it with coaches on the sideline in his final game with San Francisco.” These were considered the “final straw” on top of his excessive penalties.
Robinson was benched the week before he was traded to the Jets after starting the first seven games of the season. He had two penalties on special teams in the game he was benched, which brought his total to an NFL-high 10 penalties on the season. He had four pass interference penalties with the 49ers alone.”
“He had his share of troubles in college. During the 2014 season at LSU, he was suspended for a failed drug test and poor grades. He sat out one semester, and then was arrested in June 2015 for unauthorized entry into a teammate's apartment. LSU didn't let him back into school after that. Robinson trained for the 2016 NFL Draft back home in South Florida.”
This is the type of guy we should be getting rid of, not trading draft picks to acquire.
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The penalties are one thing, but the off the field nonsense flies in the face of everything the Jets have supposedly been trying to do in the clubhouse.
It would be one thing to deal with it from a player like Wilkerson or Richardson when they're at the top of their game, but when a guy is playing like excrement anyway? GTFO.
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The NFL has suspended CB Rashard Robinson four games.
Please get the freak out now
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Please get the freak out now
I think this was for the thing he did back in December, edible pot. Punishment now just coming down. Either way, it was a waste of a 5th rounder. But at least it was only a 5th.
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Will this be any different than what he provided last year?
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..edible pot.
The excrement I have kicks in after about an hour, you go from zero to Alice In Chains almost immediately.
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Waste of talent
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I hate that he's suspended because he's actually been really good in the preseason. Legitimately really good. He's allowing something like 3.9 yards per catch.
He got beat in the Redskins game, but that was still very good coverage that lost out to a big time catch and a perfectly placed throw.
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I hate that he's suspended because he's actually been really good in the preseason. Legitimately really good. He's allowing something like 3.9 yards per catch.
He got beat in the Redskins game, but that was still very good coverage that lost out to a big time catch and a perfectly placed throw.
Weren't you up in arms last week about how terrible he is and saying that he should be caught? I could've sworn it was Robinson because I remember thinking he was in good position on every play.
Side note: Doesn't the suspension help us? I thought suspended players don't count against the roster when they're suspended. Am I wrong on this? If I'm correct the more suspended players you have, the more flexibility you have with your roster. In most situations being suspended is a huge negative, but with a player who is 4th or 5th or maybe 6th on the depth chart could be a blessing in disguise.
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Weren't you up in arms last week about how terrible he is and saying that he should be caught?
Maybe during the Washington game after he was penalized and when he talked excrement after getting Moss’d.
Reacting during an actual game and then watching it afterwards are a little different.
And no, a suspension does not help us. We are able to keep a worse player on the roster a little longer until the better one comes back.
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Maybe during the Washington game after he was penalized and when he talked excrement after getting Moss’d.
Reacting during an actual game and then watching it afterwards are a little different.
And no, a suspension does not help us. We are able to keep a worse player on the roster a little longer until the better one comes back.
If we're losing a starter yes, but in the case of a backup that's not true.
Robinson and Stewart's suspensions allow us to keep roster bubble players on our team longer than other teams. This gives us the opportunity to get extended looks at other players and added insurance in case a player get injured. In crowded positions like wr and cb/safety this is a huge advantage. 55 players > 53 players
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If we're losing a starter yes, but in the case of a backup that's not true.
Robinson and Stewart's suspensions allow us to keep roster bubble players on our team longer than other teams. This gives us the opportunity to get extended looks at other players and added insurance in case a player get injured. In crowded positions like wr and cb/safety this is a huge advantage. 55 players > 53 players
But you're also talking about guys that you want to play and develop not being able to be with amd practice with the team. I don't know how having a player with potential that you want to develop away from the organization for a few weeks could be a good thing. That's how guys fall off the path and find more trouble
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I'd much rather Robinson over Burris and Roberts.
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I'd much rather Robinson over Burris and Roberts.
I’d rather have Steve Gleason over Juston Burris.
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But you're also talking about guys that you want to play and develop not being able to be with amd practice with the team. I don't know how having a player with potential that you want to develop away from the organization for a few weeks could be a good thing. That's how guys fall off the path and find more trouble
I'm just saying I don't want to give up on Stewart yet even though he hasn't shown anything. The suspension ironically gives him an extra chance to stick with the team. Especially if Robbie also gets suspended
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I'm just saying I don't want to give up on Stewart yet even though he hasn't shown anything. The suspension ironically gives him an extra chance to stick with the team. Especially if Robbie also gets suspended
If a suspension is the only reason a player makes the team he probably sucks
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If a suspension is the only reason a player makes the team he probably sucks
... because a player that was cut by one team has never turned into a successful player on another team?
Each player is an asset. For math's sake, let's say each player drafted/makes a roster has a 25% chance of becoming a starter.
That means for every 4 players, 1 will become a starter. If a team has the ability to hold onto more assets than another team, even for a short amount of time, they are statistically more likely to have more starters than another team.
4 players = 1 starter vs 5 players = 1.25 starters
In this situation while we only have an extra asset for a short amount of time, it still increases likelihood of choosing the correct player. Between Robinson, Stewart, (possibly) Anderson, and maybe Mcguire with a short term IR or PUP. Our team size increases by 4 players or 8%. If you used our 25% example that would be 1 additional starter. This also gives us the added bonus of having injury insurance. If someone goes down we can choose from our own reserves rather than another teams who we know little about.
I understand short term you don't want any of your players suspended, but long term, on a team that's not going to win the superbowl this year, I don't see how this isn't a competitive advantage.
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K Steiny
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I thought Robinson actually played pretty good even in the Washington game apart from the play Heismanberg got pissed off about. He's not "great" but he's not terrible either. This is a team that had Marcus Williams at corner a couple of years ago. I'd take Robinson over him any day. I'd also take Robinson on the outside over Buster Skrine who is thankfully firmly back in the nickel.
Also, I've been saying this repeatedly since last year. ArDarius Stewart is garbage. He's a wasted roster spot. What has anyone seen in any of his appearances that makes them feel any different? It's a constant "He needs to be given a chance" with him. Well, if the coaches steadfastly refuse to give him a chance, even at the end of last season when nothing mattered, maybe he just flat sucks and hasn't warranted a chance? Dude can't even make a splash in preseason games. Though he'll probably make a nice catch with 6 minutes left in the 4Q tonight and everyone will be talking about how he needs to make the team now.
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CB1 back this week
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Jets waived CB Rashard Robinson.
WR Stacy Coley and DE Charles Tapper were also handed their walking papers Friday. Acquired from the 49ers for a 2018 fifth-rounder, Robinson was an abject failure during his brief stint in East Rutherford, failing to make any impact whatsoever over his 16 appearances for the team. His Jets tenure also included a four-game ban for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Still just 23, Robinson could probably benefit from a change of scenery.
Bad trade at the time, bad trade in hindsight.
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Bad trade at the time, bad trade in hindsight.
He has reasonable skills and physical talents, but I have furniture with a higher IQ than him. It wasn't a terrible gamble.
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This. If the 49ers don’t want him, I don’t really want him either. I much rather would have taken a CB in the 5th in the draft that I knew didn’t have flag issues.
He was worse than I thought, never actually got on the field to prove whether or not he could improve on his penalty issues
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The number of comments added to this thread are way more consideration than Rashard Robinson deserves.
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Bad trade at the time, bad trade in hindsight.
It's a 5th round pick, get over it
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It's a 5th round pick, get over it
To be fair we got Brandon Marshall for a 5th,and Santonio Holmes for a 5th. So as far as 5th rounder trades go this was qutie a shitty one
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To be fair we got Brandon Marshall for a 5th,and Santonio Holmes for a 5th. So as far as 5th rounder trades go this was qutie a shitty one
Kelechi Osemele
It's a 5th round pick, get over it
No.
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To be fair we got Brandon Marshall for a 5th,and Santonio Holmes for a 5th. So as far as 5th rounder trades go this was qutie a shitty one
Good point.
RR didnt blow up our locker room though...
... or did he
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We could have used that 5th round pick for our own shitty player who did nothing and got released.
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We could have used that 5th round pick for our own shitty player who did nothing and got released.
I agree with you for once.
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Free agent CB Rashard Robinson, released by the Jets on May 10, has been suspended by the NFL for the first 10 weeks of the 2019 season. He was also suspended for the first four weeks of the 2018 season.
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