Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2021, 06:15:33 PM
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Quarterback
Malik Willis - Liberty
Matt Corral - Ole Miss
Carson Strong - Nevada
Kenny Pickett - Pittsburgh
Desmond Ridder - Cincinnati
Running Back
Breece Hall - Iowa State
Kenneth Walker - Michigan State
Keaontay Ingram - USC
Kyren Williams - Notre Dame
Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
Wideout
Jameson Williams - Alabama
Garrett Wilson - Ohio State
Treylon Burks - Arkansas
Drake London - USC
Chris Olave - Ohio State
Tight End
Trey McBride - Colorado State
Greg Dulcich - UCLA
Jelani Woods - Virginia
Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
Charlie Kolar - Iowa State
Offensive Tackle
Charles Cross - Mississippi State
Evan Neal - Alabama
Ikem Ekwonu - NC State
Tyler Smith - Tulsa
Trevor Penning - Northern Iowa
Interior Offensive Line
Ikem Ekwonu - NC State
Zion Johnson - Boston College
Tyler Smith - Tulsa
Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
Kenyon Green - Texas A&M
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Ekwonu is intriguing to me based on what I've read. It seems like he could be a good tackle or a great guard. That is exactly the kind of guy we could use. Insurance for Becton but he can start at guard in the meantime.
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Ekwonu is intriguing to me based on what I've read. It seems like he could be a good tackle or a great guard. That is exactly the kind of guy we could use. Insurance for Becton but he can start at guard in the meantime.
I thought AVT was kind of soft at USC, but he's proved me wrong with the Jets so far. He was a solid tackle prospect that looked like an elite guard on paper.
I feel the same way about Ekwonu, except I don't question Icky's mean streak at all. He has more pancake blocks than any player I can remember.
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I feel like I ask this every year. Are these “for the jets” rankings? Or just overall rankings of best players regardless of what the Jets are doing?
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I feel like I ask this every year. Are these “for the jets” rankings? Or just overall rankings of best players regardless of what the Jets are doing?
These are my overall rankings. It's not necessarily where I think they'll get drafted either. They are projections.
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I'm fully on board with taking a receiver in the 1st now. Perhaps we can trade back from Seattle's pick before taking one since there's so much depth.
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Trey McBride is must-have for me. I'm hoping he'll still be there when we're on the clock in the 2nd. Honestly, I wouldn't mind trading into the late 1st to secure him (especially if we traded back already).
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I'm fully on board with taking a receiver in the 1st now. Perhaps we can trade back from Seattle's pick before taking one since there's so much depth.
Any of the top 4 WRs would make me happy.
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Any of the top 4 WRs would make me happy.
Same. Give me one of those receivers and Trey McBride and we'll be set on weapons for a while.
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Same. Give me one of those receivers and Trey McBride and we'll be set on weapons for a while.
We’d still need another RB
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We’d still need another RB
That's fair. We can find that in the middle rounds.
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That's fair. We can find that in the middle rounds.
3rd round franchise rb
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3rd round franchise rb
Running backs should be the last position a rebuilding team tries to spend premium assets to acquire. Carter in the 4th was great. We can get a complimentary back in the 3rd-5th range as well.
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If Drake London heals up and runs a 4.4 at the combine, he’s WR1
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If Drake London heals up and runs a 4.4 at the combine, he’s WR1
elite name, has either stardom or fvckboy flameout at the nfl level written all over it
looking forward to watching his tape once the season is over
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Jameson Williams might be our guy in the top five as well...
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Toledo RB Bryant Koback is a sleeper. He's a great fit in our scheme too.
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What round for CC TE Isaiah Likely?
Put up 900 yards and 12 TDs his senior year
5 TDs each season his first 3 years
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What round for CC TE Isaiah Likely?
Put up 900 yards and 12 TDs his senior year
5 TDs each season his first 3 years
3-4th rounder i'd assume
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What round for CC TE Isaiah Likely?
Put up 900 yards and 12 TDs his senior year
5 TDs each season his first 3 years
Do not want in the first four rounds.
Not a good fit and they schemed him open at Coastal. It’s a great college offense. Likely is just a big receiver.
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I wish cfb had stats on drop percentage. I was just watching Drake London's game against Stanford and he dropped so many balls that hit him in the hands. Most weren't easy balls, but if you're taking a wide reciever top 10 he needs to make a majority of those catches.
He makes some amazing contested catches.. Was this game an anomaly?
https://youtu.be/lUPys5w9BfQ
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I wish cfb had stats on drop percentage. I was just watching Drake London's game against Stanford and he dropped so many balls that hit him in the hands. Most weren't easy balls, but if you're taking a wide reciever top 10 he needs to make a majority of those catches.
He makes some amazing contested catches.. Was this game an anomaly?
https://youtu.be/lUPys5w9BfQ
The redzone miss was a fantastic play by the corner (who will be a top CB prospect in 2023). I will watch the rest later, but that play specifically is a forced incompletion to me. Not a drop.
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The redzone miss was a fantastic play by the corner (who will be a top CB prospect in 2023). I will watch the rest later, but that play specifically is a forced incompletion to me. Not a drop.
I think I counted 3 "drops" in that game. Again none of then were easy catches but even so if you're aiming to be a #1 reciever in the league you can't have 3 of those in one game.
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I think I counted 3 "drops" in that game. Again none of then were easy catches but even so if you're aiming to be a #1 reciever in the league you can't have 3 of those in one game.
London caught four passes against Stanford. He didn't have another game with less than 9 receptions this season.
He was putting up ridiculous statistics because he got hurt.
My bigger Michael Crabtree comparison stands. High volume possession weapon.
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That second attempt to him in the redzone on that drive was such a poor run speed out. It was good coverage but if he runs a halfway decent route he wins.
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That second attempt to him in the redzone on that drive was such a poor run speed out. It was good coverage but if he runs a halfway decent route he wins.
It's designed that way. It's a timing route.
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It's designed that way. It's a timing route.
It's designed for him to jog through his route? I get it's a speed route, but by God my dead grandma could cover that
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It's designed for him to jog through his route?
That's not what we did at all, but alright.
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That's not what we did at all, but alright.
did he nonchalant himself thru the route?
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My take on the wide receivers listed
Jameson, garret, drake, and treylon are a really intriguing group. I do think they should be in two seperate tiers
Jameson
Garret
Treylon
Drake
Jameson Williams and Garrett Williams are players that can do anything a team wants them to do. They both are great route runners, they have great hands, can take the top off a defense, or they can get yards after the catch.
Jameson is an absolute dog. He seems like he can be a tone setter for not only the offense, but the entire team. A rebuilding team needs players with his attitude. He's my number 1. The dude is out there leading the team in receiving yards and playing gunner? Are you kidding me?
Garrett's ability to make a man miss is otherwordly. I dont know of another reciever at his size that has his juking ability, but also his strength. If I had to make a comp I guess I'd say maybe obj. He's my number 2 or honestly 1b they are both fantastic players.
Treylon burks is fapping material for any offensive coordinator of a west coast offense. The guy is yac waiting to happen and could probably play any offensive skill position. I would absolutely love to have this player on the jets. With that said I think TB as a number 1 option in an offense is a bit of a projection at this time. The route tree he ran at Arkansas is much less refined than OSU & Bama. It doesn't mean that he can't do it, but when we are talking about using a top 5 pick on a wide reciever I'm going to give the other wide recievers an edge. The way he makes plays coming out of the backfield reminds me of Delanie Walker
Drake London is a bit of an enigma to me. In every game I watched he made multiple amazing, contested, hand catches, but then dropped atleast 1 ball that he had two hands on. It may be just concentration issues, but if we are drafting a wide reciever top 5, that is not something I want to see. I think the other 3 recievers are better fits for our system and what we need.
- London is not as good after the catch as the other 3
- He is definitely a much better route runner than I gave him credit for after watching the Stanford game, but garrett and wilson are better
- His jump ball ability is a skill that any team would want, but I'm not sure a team fears his homerun ability like Jameson or Garrett. We need someone who can stretch the field.
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My take on the wide receivers listed
Jameson, garret, drake, and treylon are a really intriguing group. I do think they should be in two seperate tiers
Jameson
Garret
Treylon
Drake
Jameson Williams and Garrett Williams are players that can do anything a team wants them to do. They both are great route runners, they have great hands, can take the top off a defense, or they can get yards after the catch.
Jameson is an absolute dog. He seems like he can be a tone setter for not only the offense, but the entire team. A rebuilding team needs players with his attitude. He's my number 1. The dude is out there leading the team in receiving yards and playing gunner? Are you kidding me?
Garrett's ability to make a man miss is otherwordly. I dont know of another reciever at his size that has his juking ability, but also his strength. If I had to make a comp I guess I'd say maybe obj. He's my number 2 or honestly 1b they are both fantastic players.
Treylon burks is fapping material for any offensive coordinator of a west coast offense. The guy is yac waiting to happen and could probably play any offensive skill position. I would absolutely love to have this player on the jets. With that said I think TB as a number 1 option in an offense is a bit of a projection at this time. The route tree he ran at Arkansas is much less refined than OSU & Bama. It doesn't mean that he can't do it, but when we are talking about using a top 5 pick on a wide reciever I'm going to give the other wide recievers an edge. The way he makes plays coming out of the backfield reminds me of Delanie Walker
Drake London is a bit of an enigma to me. In every game I watched he made multiple amazing, contested, hand catches, but then dropped atleast 1 ball that he had two hands on. It may be just concentration issues, but if we are drafting a wide reciever top 5, that is not something I want to see. I think the other 3 recievers are better fits for our system and what we need.
- London is not as good after the catch as the other 3
- He is definitely a much better route runner than I gave him credit for after watching the Stanford game, but garrett and wilson are better
- His jump ball ability is a skill that any team would want, but I'm not sure a team fears his homerun ability like Jameson or Garrett. We need someone who can stretch the field.
Garrett Wilson*
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I haven't decided if hearing "Wilson to Wilson" several times a game would be amusing or if it would get irritating after a while.
"Wilson to Williams" has a nice ring to it.
Obviously, this is what the decision should come down to.
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I haven't decided if hearing "Wilson to Wilson" several times a game would be amusing or if it would get irritating after a while.
"Wilson to Williams" has a nice ring to it.
Obviously, this is what the decision should come down to.
Why are you worried? Berrios is going to snipe every TD anyway.
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JW and GW are pretty clearly the most polished high-floor guys.
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JW and GW are pretty clearly the most polished high-floor guys.
So you think burks has a higher ceiling?
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So you think burks has a higher ceiling?
Potentially.
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The good news is that if we want to go wr in round 1 we should be able to get our choice of the litter at #10
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The good news is that if we want to go wr in round 1 we should be able to get our choice of the litter at #10
I think at least 1 WR will be off the board by 10 but we'll still have good options.
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The good news is that if we want to go wr in round 1 we should be able to get our choice of the litter at #10
I doubt that.
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10 will have a lot of good receiver options, even if the top guy or two might be gone.
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The only team that would be interested in a wide receiver is atl, but they have other needs.
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We should take our WR1 at 4.
We should take Nakobe Dean at 10.
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We should take our WR1 at 4.
We should take Nakobe Dean at 10.
Or Evan Neal at 4 and our WR1 at 10
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Or Evan Neal at 4 and our WR1 at 10
The best receiver in the draft is not falling to 10.
Jags are taking Neal #1 also.
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We should take Nakobe Dean at 10.
If we could not spend the 10th overall pick on the most Injury prone position in football, that would be great
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4 and 10 last year were Kyle Pitts and Devonta Smith.
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If we could not spend the 10th overall pick on the most Injury prone position in football, that would be great
Isn’t that RB?
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Isn’t that RB?
Lb wins slightly
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1481050883072962561?s=21
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1481050883072962561?s=21
Take your BPAs at 4 and 10 then trade back into the first for Williams
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TIL Jeremy Ruckert is from Long Island, he's in the top 5 now.
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TIL Jeremy Ruckert is from Long Island, he's in the top 5 now.
Get him in the middle rounds. Give him Wesco's spot.
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I feel like the Treylon Burks/Deebo Samuel comp is a little lazy but I'm not convinced that our offensive coaching staff won't fall in love with his traits regardless. Seems like his versatility will really play into the type of playcalling we saw during the year even as a rookie, and his athletic traits give him such incredible upside if he can become a sharper route runner outside.
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I feel like the Treylon Burks/Deebo Samuel comp is a little lazy but I'm not convinced that our offensive coaching staff won't fall in love with his traits regardless. Seems like his versatility will really play into the type of playcalling we saw during the year even as a rookie, and his athletic traits give him such incredible upside if he can become a sharper route runner outside.
Elijah Moore can do a lot of what Deebo does for SF. Our staff gets an up close look at a similar player in Jahan Dotson at the Senior Bowl.
We need someone that can take the top off. That’s why I prefer Williams to Burks and Wilson.
I’d be happy with any of the top five or six receivers though. It’s a solid group.
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Elijah Moore can do a lot of what Deebo does for SF. Our staff gets an up close look at a similar player in Jahan Dotson at the Senior Bowl.
We need someone that can take the top off. That’s why I prefer Williams to Burks and Wilson.
I’d be happy with any of the top five or six receivers though. It’s a solid group.
Would you be happy with Williams at 4 or 10?
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I feel like the Treylon Burks/Deebo Samuel comp is a little lazy but I'm not convinced that our offensive coaching staff won't fall in love with his traits regardless. Seems like his versatility will really play into the type of playcalling we saw during the year even as a rookie, and his athletic traits give him such incredible upside if he can become a sharper route runner outside.
I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted burks he can literally play any skill position on offense, and he would probably be successful in this offense. I just think we need someone who can be a number 1 not another gadget player.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted burks he can literally play any skill position on offense, and he would probably be successful in this offense. I just think we need someone who can be a number 1 not another gadget player.
Do you not consider Deebo Samuel a #1 WR?
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Would you be happy with Williams at 4 or 10?
Yes
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We need someone that can take the top off. That’s why I prefer Williams to Burks and Wilson.
I'd love Williams, but I'm just not sure about how the team is going to feel about the ACL - and as I've been watching more and more film of the group you listed Burks is pulling into the 1A position for the pick I'd be most excited about.
I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted burks he can literally play any skill position on offense, and he would probably be successful in this offense. I just think we need someone who can be a number 1 not another gadget player.
Deebo Samuel had 1400 receiving yards this year, and I think Burks has just as much if not more upside as a 'traditional' wideout.
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Do you not consider Deebo Samuel a #1 WR?
Of course he is. I'm not saying burks cant be, but at the moment hes much more of a projection as a number 1 than williams, London, wilson, etc.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but the route tree burks runs is very pared back compared to most nfl offenses, especially ours which has multiple breaks for each route depending on mid route reads of the defense.
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I'd love Williams, but I'm just not sure about how the team is going to feel about the ACL - and as I've been watching more and more film of the group you listed Burks is pulling into the 1A position for the pick I'd be most excited about.
Deebo Samuel had 1400 receiving yards this year, and I think Burks has just as much if not more upside as a 'traditional' wideout.
Medical rechecks after the combine are going to be critical for Williams. How he is healing is going to determine if he still could potentially be top 10 or if he’s going on night 2.
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I think it’s incredibly risky drafting a WR who just tore his ACL in the top 10. I think it’s a different story if we trade down or back up into the 20s, but I don’t see why you would take him over Wilson or Burks right now. He would miss all of training camp and probably start of the season on the PUP. If he’s back for training camp, then they likely rushed his ACL rehab.
I love his upside, but I’d rather Wilson or Burks who could immediately build a rapport with Wilson.
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With the injury to Williams, Mel Kiper now has Drake London as WR1
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Another reason to pick Burks: the initial wave of people calling him Teflon Burks before they fix their autocorrect.
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What should we know about the Tier 2 WR's in the event we don't land one of the top 5?
Based on doing mocks I see the following names, but know nothing about them
Chris Olave
David Bell
George Pickens
John Metchie
Wan'Dale Robinson
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What should we know about the Tier 2 WR's in the event we don't land one of the top 5?
Based on doing mocks I see the following names, but know nothing about them
Chris Olave
David Bell
George Pickens
John Metchie
Wan'Dale Robinson
the majority of mocks i've seen have Olave going in the top 20...so i would consider him in tier 1.
Pickens could be mid round gold.
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Chris Olave is not tier one
Burks
Wilson
London
Williams
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What should we know about the Tier 2 WR's in the event we don't land one of the top 5?
Based on doing mocks I see the following names, but know nothing about them
Chris Olave
David Bell
George Pickens
John Metchie
Wan'Dale Robinson
If George Pickens wasn't injured and didn't have a frat dude playing QB, he'd be a top ten pick.
He could still go ridiculously high and I wouldn't be mad if we took him at 10.
Robinson is more a gadget player. I'm sure LaFleur could find a way to use him but he isn't the most reliable receiver...but he's fun.
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Chris Olave is not tier one
Burks
Wilson
London
Williams
well...he's likely going in the first round. That makes him tier 1. He may not be tier 1 for us, but that's another convo.
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well...he's likely going in the first round. That makes him tier 1.
Do you consider George Karlaftis or Logan Hall Tier 1 edge rushers?
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Do you consider George Karlaftis or Logan Hall Tier 1 edge rushers?
I love disagreeing with you....so....yes.
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Dotson and Olave are tier 1B.
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Dotson and Olave are tier 1B.
that's an accurate way to put it.
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So Pickens in round 2 would be a steal.
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So Pickens in round 2 would be a steal.
T-Bone Pickens
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George "Easy" Pickens
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It's crazy how many Alabama wide receivers have been successful lately, except ours. The one we pick audacious Stewart was trash.
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It's crazy how many Alabama wide receivers have been successful lately, except ours. The one we pick audacious Stewart was trash.
They didn't really become WR U until 2017 when Stewart left.
Julio, Cooper, and Ridley were kind of standalone wideout talents for Alabama. They had this ridiculous stretch of Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, Waddle, Metchie, and Williams from 2017 through 2022.
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They didn't really become WR U until 2017 when Stewart left.
Julio, Cooper, and Ridley were kind of standalone wideout talents for Alabama. They had this ridiculous stretch of Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, Waddle, Metchie, and Williams from 2017 through 2022.
dont' forget about yer boi...Slade Bolden
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Quarterback aside, the Falcons drafting treylon burks is intriguing. It would give them 3 players (burks, Pitts, patterson) who could line up in multiple positions which would give a very positionless approach to their skill group.
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People keep talking about playing Treylon Burks in multiple positions. Why?
He is not Deebo Samuel.
Burks is a receiver that can run jet.
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Samuel was a prolific all-purpose player in high school. He was a star running back. His school hired an Air Raid coach and they moved him all over the place. He has several records like total yards in a game, total yards in a career, etc. We throw the term generational around in just about every draft, but Samuel is a generational all-purpose player.
Burks is not Samuel. He is definitely a weapon and you want to find ways to get the ball in his hands, but he's not lining up at RB and running down hill 10-20 times a game like Samuel can.
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Samuel was a prolific all-purpose player in high school. He was a star running back. His school hired an Air Raid coach and they moved him all over the place. He has several records like total yards in a game, total yards in a career, etc. We throw the term generational around in just about every draft, but Samuel is a generational all-purpose player.
Burks is not Samuel. He is definitely a weapon and you want to find ways to get the ball in his hands, but he's not lining up at RB and running down hill 10-20 times a game like Samuel can.
Feed Burks nandrolone until he turns into David Boston
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David Bell gives me some Jerricho vibes
not too flashy, but super reliable
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David Bell gives me some Jerricho vibes
not too flashy, but super reliable
Doink Bell
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Samuel was a prolific all-purpose player in high school. He was a star running back. His school hired an Air Raid coach and they moved him all over the place. He has several records like total yards in a game, total yards in a career, etc. We throw the term generational around in just about every draft, but Samuel is a generational all-purpose player.
Burks is not Samuel. He is definitely a weapon and you want to find ways to get the ball in his hands, but he's not lining up at RB and running down hill 10-20 times a game like Samuel can.
Who said he was going to run the ball 20 times a game? You extrapolate and project your opinion onto other people's posts all the time.
My point was that the guy has literally lined up at every skill position on offense and qb (wildcat). Arthur Smith has put Johnu Smith at runningback you don't think he would do as much with Burks?!
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Who said he was going to run the ball 20 times a game? You extrapolate and project your opinion onto other people's posts all the time.
I didn't realize that you represent all people. Take a look at Draft Twitter. There's Deebo comparisons all over the place.
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I didn't realize that you represent all people. Take a look at Draft Twitter. There's Deebo comparisons all over the place.
You literally made your post about burks playing multiple positions right after mine
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You literally made your post about burks playing multiple positions right after mine
This is correct
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I want a Mike Evans. So please make Drake London be that level of athletic and then take him at 10.
We have our dude in Moore who can line up every where. I want a god damn big tall fast go freaking get the ball guy.
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I want a Mike Evans. So please make Drake London be that level of athletic and then take him at 10.
He's not as physical or as strong as Evans.
I see a lot of Mike Crabtree in his game. Kiper said Plaxico Burress, and I can see that.
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He's not as physical or as strong as Evans.
I see a lot of Mike Crabtree in his game. Kiper said Plaxico Burress, and I can see that.
That problem is no one is Mike Evans and hasn’t been since he came out. But I still want that big target for Zach. Crabtree and Burress were outstanding weapons in their own time.
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If Treylon Burks comes anywhere close to the level of player Andre Johnson was, give me that guy.
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If Treylon Burks comes anywhere close to the level of player Andre Johnson was, give me that guy.
This is the way
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1487450087404064773?t=xR_7vlYMRQ-rLRg4dbqvMw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1487450087404064773?t=xR_7vlYMRQ-rLRg4dbqvMw&s=19
irrespective of who is actually better, i think i prefer the london type WR over the wilson type WR for zach at this time
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That problem is no one is Mike Evans and hasn’t been since he came out. But I still want that big target for Zach. Crabtree and Burress were outstanding weapons in their own time.
Yeah he is definitely not Mike Evans
I'd say
a less freakish plax
A slower aj green
A more agile Roy Williams
Would all fit the bill. I think I like th aj green comparison best
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I just want a WR1 with one of first round picks.....Burks or Wilson would be my preference, but this could change after the combine/pro days.
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I just want a WR1 with one of first round picks.....Burks or Wilson would be my preference, but this could change after the combine/pro days.
I just realized that ulbrich likely knows Ridley really well from his time on the Falcons. If ulbrich trusts ridley I'd love to give our 2nd + a sweetener for him as another option
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I just realized that ulbrich likely knows Ridley really well from his time on the Falcons. If ulbrich trusts ridley I'd love to give our 2nd + a sweetener for him as another option
i hope Ulbrich gets fired sometime in the next 12 months.
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1487450087404064773?t=xR_7vlYMRQ-rLRg4dbqvMw&s=19
DJ does not know football
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i hope Ulbrich gets fired sometime in the next 12 months.
I don’t because that means we still suck
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DJ does not know football
Too bad ydkf doesn't exist anymore. We could ask him to join
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Too bad ydkf doesn't exist anymore. We could ask him to join
“imma keep it a bean! Tua da best Qb in da league now dat Tim Brady gone!”
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I don’t because that means we still suck
We still might
I saw nothing from Ulbrich that instills any confidence...and that extends to his time in Atlanta as their DC too.
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We still might
I saw nothing from Ulbrich that instills any confidence...and that extends to his time in Atlanta as their DC too.
This is something I've thought about a bit lately. I'm hoping we don't look back and regret not replacing Ulbrich with Fangio or Martindale or whoever else.
I really like Saleh but I do wonder whether he has the stomach to make a tough decision on a coach/player.
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This is something I've thought about a bit lately. I'm hoping we don't look back and regret not replacing Ulbrich with Fangio or Martindale or whoever else.
I really like Saleh but I do wonder whether he has the stomach to make a tough decision on a coach/player.
I think he believes in his process, and as a person who has coached sports (albeit volleyball and not football) at one of the highest levels of high school in the country, sometimes (especially when you first start a program) you as coaches are doing the right things, and the message isn't being received yet, and old voices need to move on before it really starts to hit home. Saleh believes his process is the right one, and that he has the right guys on his staff to enforce that process and deliver his message. In a year, we will find out the answer to your question. But my guess is that you don't rise to this level of coaching (and cut tons of guys and 'ruin' their dreams) if you don't have the balls to fire a staff member who is under performing.
I hope like hell new (and presumably healthy) personnel leads to a shift for us on defense. But I feel that if it's clearly not improving, Saleh will move on and get someone else in here to get it done.
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I expect to see a significant step forward from the defense with another offseason's worth of added talent.
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I expect to see a significant step forward from the defense with another offseason's worth of added talent.
Enter the clapper
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I'm very interested to see what kind of impact Saleh has on free agency. If he gets a chance to recruit guys, I think we'll land some surprise talent.
We've gotta come out of this draft with at least one starter at linebacker and defensive end.
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I'm very interested to see what kind of impact Saleh has on free agency. If he gets a chance to recruit guys, I think we'll land some surprise talent.
We've gotta come out of this draft with at least one starter at linebacker and defensive end.
Agree, and come out of free agency with a starter at S and TE.
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Foye Oluokun should be a top free agent target for us. That fills one LB spot and gets us some speed in the front seven.
We'd still need to start another (hopefully Dean).
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Not that it's of much interest to the Jets, but is this the weakest QB class since 2013?
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Not that it's of much interest to the Jets, but is this the weakest QB class since 2013?
it looks that way.
This is why i'm glad we sent Darnold packing and drafted Zach.
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it looks that way.
This is why i'm glad we sent Darnold packing and drafted Zach.
Yeah, we'd be in a lousy spot right now if we kept him for 2021.
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Not that it's of much interest to the Jets, but is this the weakest QB class since 2013?
And yet all of them are SBTG
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Lets just hope somebody pulls a hype train with a big game this weekend so that we can entice somebody to trade up to 4 or to 10.
Right now I'm thinking the best duo that we could get that seems realistic is
4 - Icky
10 - Jermaine Johnson
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Lets just hope somebody pulls a hype train with a big game this weekend so that we can entice somebody to trade up to 4 or to 10.
Right now I'm thinking the best duo that we could get that seems realistic is
4 - Icky
10 - Jermaine Johnson
I'd rather have the clapper at 10. We need a defensive leader and he fits the bill
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I'd rather have the clapper at 10. We need a defensive leader and he fits the bill
I hope we load up on offense in the first 2 rounds, and fill our Def holes in the later rounds/Free Agency.
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Romeo Doubs is really good
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I'd rather have the clapper at 10. We need a defensive leader and he fits the bill
Believe me you will catch no argument from me. Dean is my favorite prospect in the draft. I just think JD is going trenches in round 1, especially if he can't get out of 4 or 10. Honestly I hope he gets back from both, but I expect he won't unless somebody falls in love with a QB and fears the Giants taking their guy OR the Commanders (lol) will at 11.
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Chigoziem Okonkwo is my new favorite skill player
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Central Michigan's Bernhard Raimann is one of the best linemen I've watched this offseason, but I just saw that he's turning 25 years old as a rookie.
I wouldn't want to use pick in the first three rounds on a prospect that old.
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Throwing it out there: is Neal's size a concern? 6'7" and somewhere in the 350-360 range (and reportedly ballooned to 390 at one point). It doesn't seem like he has a troubling injury history, but our recent issues with Becton are coloring my judgement.
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Central Michigan's Bernhard Raimann is one of the best linemen I've watched this offseason, but I just saw that he's turning 25 years old as a rookie.
I wouldn't want to use pick in the first three rounds on a prospect that old.
Danny Watkins comes to mind as a guy lots of people liked but he was old and ended up being virtually at his ceiling on draft day.
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Throwing it out there: is Neal's size a concern? 6'7" and somewhere in the 350-360 range (and reportedly ballooned to 390 at one point). It doesn't seem like he has a troubling injury history, but our recent issues with Becton are coloring my judgement.
Seems like today is immediately refuting some of this
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Now that the combine is complete, which WR's do you see dropping to the 2nd rd?
Trying to mentally prepare myself if we pass on WR in the first round
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Now that the combine is complete, which WR's do you see dropping to the 2nd rd?
Trying to mentally prepare myself if we pass on WR in the first round
These studs could be there:
Jahan Dotson
Christian Watson
Jamison Williams
George Pickens
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Garrett Wilson
Treylon Burks
Chris Olave
I think these three are the only first round locks. If Jameson Williams falls into the second round, I'll be pretty surprised but it could happen.
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Garrett Wilson
Treylon Burks
Chris Olave
I think these three are the only first round locks. If Jameson Williams falls into the second round, I'll be pretty surprised but it could happen.
I think Christian Watson could be some 2nd round gold for us. If we double up on D in the 1st round.
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Garrett Wilson
Treylon Burks
Chris Olave
I think these three are the only first round locks. If Jameson Williams falls into the second round, I'll be pretty surprised but it could happen.
London seems like a first-round lock based on everything I've read. I've seen more people have him top-2 at WR than outside the top 3.
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London seems like a first-round lock based on everything I've read. I've seen more people have him top-2 at WR than outside the top 3.
Depends on his medicals.
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Depends on his medicals.
For sure, but I do expect him to be a top 20 pick if all is well.. And I'd be very surprised if jameson Williams wasnt a 1st-rounder too.
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Interesting analysis on RB draft slots
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/t9gtby/yes_you_can_draft_a_rb_in_the_1st_round_and_some
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If we've knocked our first three picks out of the park and Breece Hall happens to fall to 38... fine, go for it. But it's not my first choice.
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Interesting analysis on RB draft slots
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/t9gtby/yes_you_can_draft_a_rb_in_the_1st_round_and_some
None of that is particularly surprising.
Running back prospects often live up to the hype, but it should be the last piece you add to a roster.
While I am firmly in the camp that the Jets need to try to compete in 2022, I still don't think we have enough of a foundation to spend a top-40 pick on a running back.
When you draft a running back early, you are hoping they return a ton of value on their rookie contract. The 2nd contract is always a killer for teams with running backs.
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If we've knocked our first three picks out of the park and Breece Hall happens to fall to 38... fine, go for it. But it's not my first choice.
I don't necessarily disagree, but we'd REALLY have had to luck out with the previous 3 picks, along with a free agency haul.
I see it as unlikely that a RB will be best value and best resource-usage over a WR/safety/cb/o-line/LB.
Depending on free agency, a Brisker or Cine would be far more useful and important than a rookie RB (esp compared to a rookie RB from the 3rd or 4th round).
As you said, definitely not my first choice either.
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None of that is particularly surprising.
Running back prospects often live up to the hype, but it should be the last piece you add to a roster.
While I am firmly in the camp that the Jets need to try to compete in 2022, I still don't think we have enough of a foundation to spend a top-40 pick on a running back.
When you draft a running back early, you are hoping they return a ton of value on their rookie contract. The 2nd contract is always a killer for teams with running backs.
Wouldn't giving Zach a great duo in the back field that can help take pressure off of the passing game be sufficient value? Why does value always have to equate to immediate win totals.
Obviously this team needs to start winning games and compete for a playoff spot, but as we have all stated over and over, providing talent around Zach is the main priority. Having Carter carry the ball 20 times a game only to get hurt and then throw out some terrible assortment of backs isn't a great idea IMO. Not to mentioned the pass blocking factor- I'm not ready to run it back with Ty Johnson on 3rd down. Helping Zach develop into an actual NFL QB would be value enough.
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Wouldn't giving Zach a great duo in the back field that can help take pressure off of the passing game be sufficient value? Why does value always have to equate to immediate win totals.
Obviously this team needs to start winning games and compete for a playoff spot, but as we have all stated over and over, providing talent around Zach is the main priority. Having Carter carry the ball 20 times a game only to get hurt and then throw out some terrible assortment of backs isn't a great idea IMO. Not to mentioned the pass blocking factor- I'm not ready to run it back with Ty Johnson on 3rd down. Helping Zach develop into an actual NFL QB would be value enough.
It wouldn't hurt but we need far too many investments into key positions first.
Outside of fullback, running back may be the single most replaceable position in the NFL. Build the rest of the roster. You can help Zach other ways.
I would like a better RB2 than Coleman or Johnson but if the like is blocking, this scheme can make a lot of guys look good.
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It wouldn't hurt but we need far too many investments into key positions first.
Outside of fullback, running back may be the single most replaceable position in the NFL. Build the rest of the roster. You can help Zach other ways.
I would like a better RB2 than Coleman or Johnson but if the like is blocking, this scheme can make a lot of guys look good.
I'm not banging the table for an RB in the 2nd round, I'd definitely be okay with a 3rd or 4th round pick again... But, I always hear how RB is the most replaceable position on a football team, yet the Jets still haven't found a legitimate starter in the draft since maybe 2009.
I have hope for Carter, but it looks like he might be better off in a committee.
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Matt Simms QB ranking:
1. Matt Corral (top 15 grade)
2. Kenny Pickett (1st round grade)
3. Malik Willis (1st round but not high first)
4. Sam Howell (late 2nd, 3rd round)
5. Desmond Ridder
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This QB group is really bad. That is all.
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This QB group is really bad. That is all.
2013 all over again
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I hate Sam Howell. I wish only the worst things upon him.
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Matt Simms QB ranking:
1. Matt Corral (top 15 grade)
2. Kenny Pickett (1st round grade)
3. Malik Willis (1st round but not high first)
4. Sam Howell (late 2nd, 3rd round)
5. Desmond Ridder
Simms is generally pretty dialled in when it comes to QB assessments, no?
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Simms is generally pretty dialled in when it comes to QB assessments, no?
His rankings since 2018 have been pretty spot on. Couldn't find a list for 2017 but it seems like Mahomes was his #1.
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His rankings since 2018 have been pretty spot on. Couldn't find a list for 2017 but it seems like Mahomes was his #1.
As I recall he also had Zach as his number 1 guy last year.
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As I recall he also had Zach as his number 1 guy last year.
Yes, he's his #1 fan.
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Simms is generally pretty dialled in when it comes to QB assessments, no?
That was the narrative last year that we all clung to in order to defend Zach Wilson. Not sure if it's actually true. He's had some good calls in the past, but he's also had some bad calls.
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That was the narrative last year that we all clung to in order to defend Zach Wilson. Not sure if it's actually true. He's had some good calls in the past, but he's also had some bad calls.
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
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That was the narrative last year that we all clung to in order to defend Zach Wilson. Not sure if it's actually true. He's had some good calls in the past, but he's also had some bad calls.
His track record of evaluating quarterback prospects is pretty beyond reproach.
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I still haven't forgiven Simms for his top 5 wide receiver prospects last year, including two more who were just outside his five, none of whom were Elijah Moore. I took it personally.
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I still haven't forgiven Simms for his top 5 wide receiver prospects last year, including two more who were just outside his five, none of whom were Elijah Moore. I took it personally.
Ironically, he was a bit down on Moore.
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It seems a lot of NFL front offices and coaches were a little down on Moore. He slid a lot further than people thought he would.
Douglas got great value landing him in the second.
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I love how the same talent evaluators that allowed Moore to slip into the 2nd round last year are now saying he'd be a top-15 pick in this class.