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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #735 on: April 09, 2014, 08:52:07 AM »
"An" Historic or "A" Historic Event?

‘A historic event’ or ‘an historic event’?

People often believe that they should use the indefinite article an in front of words like historic, horrific, or hotel. Are they right or wrong? Should you say ‘an historic event’ or ‘a historic event’?

An is the form of the indefinite article that is used before a spoken vowel sound: it doesn’t matter how the written word in question is actually spelled. So, we say ‘an honour’, ‘an hour’, or ‘an heir’, for example, because the initial letter ‘h’ in all three words is not actually pronounced. By contrast we say ‘a hair’ or ‘a horse’ because, in these cases, the ‘h’ is pronounced.

Let’s go back to those three words that tend to cause problems: historic, horrific, and hotel. If hotel was pronounced without its initial letter ‘h’ (i.e. as if it were spelled ‘otel’), then it would be correct to use an in front of it. The same is true of historic and horrific. If horrific was pronounced ‘orrific’ and historic was pronounced ‘istoric’ then it would be appropriate to refer to ‘an istoric occasion’ or ‘an orrific accident’. In the 18th and 19th centuries, people often did pronounce these words in this way.

Today, though, these three words are generally pronounced with a spoken ‘h’ at the beginning and so it’s now more logical to refer to ‘a hotel’, ‘a historic event’, or ‘a horrific accident’.
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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #736 on: April 09, 2014, 08:53:55 AM »
"An" Historic or "A" Historic Event?

‘A historic event’ or ‘an historic event’?

People often believe that they should use the indefinite article an in front of words like historic, horrific, or hotel. Are they right or wrong? Should you say ‘an historic event’ or ‘a historic event’?

An is the form of the indefinite article that is used before a spoken vowel sound: it doesn’t matter how the written word in question is actually spelled. So, we say ‘an honour’, ‘an hour’, or ‘an heir’, for example, because the initial letter ‘h’ in all three words is not actually pronounced. By contrast we say ‘a hair’ or ‘a horse’ because, in these cases, the ‘h’ is pronounced.

Let’s go back to those three words that tend to cause problems: historic, horrific, and hotel. If hotel was pronounced without its initial letter ‘h’ (i.e. as if it were spelled ‘otel’), then it would be correct to use an in front of it. The same is true of historic and horrific. If horrific was pronounced ‘orrific’ and historic was pronounced ‘istoric’ then it would be appropriate to refer to ‘an istoric occasion’ or ‘an orrific accident’. In the 18th and 19th centuries, people often did pronounce these words in this way.

Today, though, these three words are generally pronounced with a spoken ‘h’ at the beginning and so it’s now more logical to refer to ‘a hotel’, ‘a historic event’, or ‘a horrific accident’.

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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #737 on: April 09, 2014, 08:57:51 AM »
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Except not. "Historical" is pronounced "istorical" when used with the indefinite article.
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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #738 on: April 09, 2014, 08:58:24 AM »
Except not. "Historical" is pronounced "istorical" when used with the indefinite article.

By the lazy who can't enunciate.

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« Reply #739 on: April 09, 2014, 08:59:22 AM »
By the lazy who can't enunciate.

Watch the BBC news.
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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #740 on: April 09, 2014, 09:00:07 AM »
Just because I don't pronounce the h in herb doesn't mean I'm going to pretend it's correct.

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« Reply #741 on: April 09, 2014, 09:00:26 AM »
Just because I don't pronounce the h in herb doesn't mean I'm going to pretend it's correct.

Good, because it isn't.
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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #742 on: April 09, 2014, 09:01:44 AM »
Good, because it isn't.

Neither is istorical. It's not correct in any way, it's just lazy speech.

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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #743 on: April 09, 2014, 09:03:30 AM »
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« Reply #744 on: April 09, 2014, 09:04:30 AM »
Watch the BBC news.

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« Reply #745 on: April 09, 2014, 09:05:15 AM »
People on the subway taking 2 steps away from me when they see my severely infected but not contagious pink eye condition in both eyes.  I'm not a vampire you sack of dicks.

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« Reply #746 on: April 09, 2014, 09:08:27 AM »
People on the subway taking 2 steps away from me when they see my severely infected but not contagious pink eye condition in both eyes.  I'm not a vampire you sack of dicks.

Whose derriere were you eating on your "business" trip?
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Re: Annoyances
« Reply #747 on: April 09, 2014, 09:08:56 AM »
People on the subway taking 2 steps away from me when they see my severely infected but not contagious pink eye condition in both eyes.  I'm not a vampire you sack of dicks.

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« Reply #748 on: April 09, 2014, 09:09:38 AM »
Why would I care about what's happening in a second rate country?

When your third rate country can be bothered to come up with its own language then you can use it any way you choose.
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« Reply #749 on: April 09, 2014, 09:11:58 AM »
When your third rate country can be bothered to come up with its own language then you can use it any way you choose.

America does have its own language

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