President Mal

[guinness77]

The dude is excellent. But he feasted against the worst offense in the league, and a bad offense missing 3 linemen.

Hopefully Jamals up to two 1st and a 3rd for him and a 4th or 5th

Lol

[Italian Seafood]

The dude is excellent. But he feasted against the worst offense in the league, and a bad offense missing 3 linemen.

Jamals the best player on the team. But Sam succeeding is more important.

Hopefully Jamals up to two 1st and a 3rd for him and a 4th or 5th

You're still on this train? What do you have against keeping an elite young player?

[Pope]

I was against him acting like a baby but he’s totally redeemed himself

[dcm1602]

You're still on this train? What do you have against keeping an elite young player?

Outside of 3 games this season Darnold has struggled tremendously because he has no talent around him. He's getting eaten alive behind the worst offensive line in football. And our insanely overpaid running back is statistically performing as one of the worst in the league, because this OL is complete trash. And the only wideout worth anything is Crowder. The fact that Demaryius Thomas has been our second best wideout says plenty 

We need to stack the offense around Sam. And Jamal is the best way to do it

[dcm1602]

Revis was probably the greatest corner of all time, a much more valuable position. Jamal is one of the best in the league. With Sanchez failing the Jets had 2 great seasons under Revis and absolutely nothing else.

We can get far more for Jamal than we did for Revis because of his rookie contract.

If the value is there, you have to pull the trigger. Darnold is more important than all else

[Italian Seafood]

Outside of 3 games this season Darnold has struggled tremendously because he has no talent around him. He's getting eaten alive behind the worst offensive line in football. And our insanely overpaid running back is statistically performing as one of the worst in the league, because this OL is complete trash. And the only wideout worth anything is Crowder. The fact that Demaryius Thomas has been our second best wideout says plenty 

We need to stack the offense around Sam. And Jamal is the best way to do it

Here's where we disagree, Jamal is not the best way to do it. We have enough draft picks to fill holes, the key is using them to draft better players than we have been. Getting rid of one of the only good players we have creates a new hole while taking a gamble at filling others. If he was old and overpaid or wanted out (like Abraham), then maybe, but not when he's in his third year and is a team leader. That's the kind of player we're trying to get, not get rid of.

[dcm1602]

Here's where we disagree, Jamal is not the best way to do it. We have enough draft picks to fill holes, the key is using them to draft better players than we have been. Getting rid of one of the only good players we have creates a new hole while taking a gamble at filling others. If he was old and overpaid or wanted out (like Abraham), then maybe, but not when he's in his third year and is a team leader. That's the kind of player we're trying to get, not get rid of.

We need an entire OL, #1 wideout, and multiple corners desperately. We don't have the draft capital to fill that many holes. Best case scenario is we get 3 day 1 starters, and that's being optimistic

[Pope]

I was ok with moving Jamal earlier when he got all worked up about the trade rumors but he seems to have put that behind him and he’s playing the best football of his career now. It would take a blockbuster trade to consider moving him now. On a team devoid of talent it’s hard to move one of the best players in the league for the sake of some draft ammunition when we already have a (potential) franchise QB in place.

[Derek Smalls]

We need an entire OL, #1 wideout, and multiple corners desperately. We don't have the draft capital to fill that many holes. Best case scenario is we get 3 day 1 starters, and that's being optimistic

We also don't necessarily need to fill every hole with an obvious answer in one offseason. That's not really realistic. We will need to sign/trade for guys like Tom Compton or Alex Lewis or Brian Poole to play roles next season.

And if you trade Jamal, then safety becomes another need. And we also would have lost an All-Pro safety who makes up for a lot of the other issues our defense has.

Now as Joe Douglas said, there is a price on every player who isn't a franchise quarterback. If someone offers two 1st-round picks with one of the picks being pretty high, you have to think about it. But we would need to get blown away to trade Adams.

Plus, it doesn't look like Adams is as unhappy as he was a few weeks ago. Amazing what winning a few games can do.

[dcm1602]

We also don't necessarily need to fill every hole with an obvious answer in one offseason. That's not really realistic. We will need to sign/trade for guys like Tom Compton or Alex Lewis or Brian Poole to play roles next season.

And if you trade Jamal, then safety becomes another need. And we also would have lost an All-Pro safety who makes up for a lot of the other issues our defense has.

Now as Joe Douglas said, there is a price on every player who isn't a franchise quarterback. If someone offers two 1st-round picks with one of the picks being pretty high, you have to think about it. But we would need to get blown away to trade Adams.

Plus, it doesn't look like Adams is as unhappy as he was a few weeks ago. Amazing what winning a few games can do.

It's not just about filling needs. It's about putting Sam in a place for success. And the offense is horrifically bad. Losing an all pro player hurts, but letting Sam spend another season struggling for his life hurts more.

Plus we're not paying two safeties 25 million + combined

Might as well trade Adams for a bounty and extend Maye. Of course rhe price has to be right for Adams. And he's going a long way to helping us achieve that

[Derek Smalls]

It's not just about filling needs. It's about putting Sam in a place for success. And the offense is horrifically bad. Losing an all pro player hurts, but letting Sam spend another season struggling for his life hurts more.

Plus we're not paying two safeties 25 million + combined

Might as well trade Adams for a bounty and extend Maye. Of course rhe price has to be right for Adams. And he's going a long way to helping us achieve that

You are constantly worried about how much we will play Adams and Maye. That's a question for 2021. How many other players on this team will we need to pay big money to in 2021? Why can't we keep Adams and Maye? Every team has salary cap space. While that makes it harder to bring in top free agents, it also makes it easier to keep your own guys.

If we were in a salary cap crunch and had a ton of young players we wanted to keep, that point would have more merit. But we don't.

The most important thing for the Jets is for the team to succeed long-term. That likely would require Sam Darnold reaching his full potential, so diverting resources to the offense is a good idea, but we are going to have four picks in the top 105, so that's a good place to start.

[Italian Seafood]

We need an entire OL, #1 wideout, and multiple corners desperately. We don't have the draft capital to fill that many holes. Best case scenario is we get 3 day 1 starters, and that's being optimistic

That's not the best case scenario, and if you trade Jamal you're down another starter, your best defensive player, creating a huge hole. You can get more than three good guys in an off season, start with the line and it makes the QB and RBs better.

Forget the #1 WR, that's the final piece of it, we don't need that right now. WRs become available all the time, because they are divas and if the rest of their team isn't clicking (like ours) they're pretty useless and become expendable. Beckham, Cooper, Gordon, how many you want to name?

Block for your QB and running game and you'll get production from the Crowders and Andersons of the world, especially if we have good TEs like it appears we do. Find me an OT, C and a CB in the draft, get our LBs back from injury and keep Jamal, the CBs won't be as exposed as they are now.

[Italian Seafood]

You are constantly worried about how much we will play Adams and Maye.

Can Maye stay on the field for a season before we worry about blowing up the team to pay him?

[insanity]

Dcm I understand your perspective but I think your viewpoint is one that is is relevant if the trade happens but not as a possibility we should be asking for.

Most first round picks dont turn into probowlers let alone all pro players.  If a team gives us a top 10 pick and 2 2nd rounders so be it. But replacing Jamal is too difficult to do to trade.  Even if safety isnt as important as o line

[dcm1602]

You are constantly worried about how much we will play Adams and Maye. That's a question for 2021. How many other players on this team will we need to pay big money to in 2021? Why can't we keep Adams and Maye? Every team has salary cap space. While that makes it harder to bring in top free agents, it also makes it easier to keep your own guys.

If we were in a salary cap crunch and had a ton of young players we wanted to keep, that point would have more merit. But we don't.

The most important thing for the Jets is for the team to succeed long-term. That likely would require Sam Darnold reaching his full potential, so diverting resources to the offense is a good idea, but we are going to have four picks in the top 105, so that's a good place to start.

Unless we plan on franchise tagging Maye, we extend him after this season or trade him this offseason. You don't wait for players to become UFA to extend them

And regardless you don't invest insane amount of money into safety. You wanna pay one safety big money fine, but not two