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Title: Coronavirus SZN 3 - Omicron
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 05, 2020, 01:14:41 PM
https://twitter.com/caleb_fenton/status/1234649705637908489?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2020, 01:26:17 PM
Apparently it's expected to spread so badly that hospitals across the country are preparing to set up tents in their parking lots
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 05, 2020, 02:02:59 PM
Apparently it's expected to spread so badly that hospitals across the country are preparing to set up tents in their parking lots

Shouldn’t you be setting up tents instead of shitposting
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2020, 02:07:13 PM
Shouldn’t you be setting up tents instead of shitposting

Ef that I'm scared of sick people
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 05, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
Puck got coronavirus one time.  He just flushed some diesel fuel down into his lungs using an old funnel from the last oil change on his 87 Trans Am.  No more virus and it improved his fuel efficiency.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
Puck got coronavirus one time.  He just flushed some diesel fuel down into his lungs using an old funnel from the last oil change on his 87 Trans Am.  No more virus and it improved his fuel efficiency.
I can totally see Puck driving an old Trans Am. He's not quite hick enough for an IROC-Z and not suburban enough for a 'Vette.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 05, 2020, 04:08:28 PM
I can totally see Puck driving an old Trans Am. He's not quite hick enough for an IROC-Z and not suburban enough for a 'Vette.

That's who drives IROC-Z's in canada?

Here in the States unfortunately the IROC for the longest time was the car of the wannabe guido. You know the type, they act like extras on the Sopranos but eat their sunday gravy out of a ragu jar.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 05:28:23 AM
Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.


https://amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true


Seems not ideal
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2020, 07:29:07 AM
Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.


https://amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true


Seems not ideal

I'm hesitant to believe anything out of China especially since "a combination of SARS and AIDS" seems quite dramatic.

But if this ends up being true I think we're going to see a new degree of hysteria and the stock market will end up tanking on an otherworldly degrees
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 07:56:43 AM
Trump said we should use the pull out method to prevent the coronaflu. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2020, 09:14:50 AM
I'm hesitant to believe anything out of China especially since "a combination of SARS and AIDS" seems quite dramatic.

But if this ends up being true I think we're going to see a new degree of hysteria and the stock market will end up tanking on an otherworldly degrees
Their evidence appears to be that an 85 year old victim had evidence of fibrosis. I can't think of anything else that might cause fibrosis in an elderly man from an industrial city in China...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Rwd7d2Rww
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 11:29:59 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Rwd7d2Rww
"You won't hef to werry"
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 06, 2020, 12:21:57 PM
Their evidence appears to be that an 85 year old victim had evidence of fibrosis. I can't think of anything else that might cause fibrosis in an elderly man from an industrial city in China...

Yikes, if that kind of lung damage can happen under those clear blue skies, imagine what will happen here?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
Enjoy your AIDS-SARS, skeptics
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 12:43:15 PM
Enjoy your AIDS-SARS, skeptics
I'm wearing triple-layered condoms 24/7.  Not taking chances.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Gorilla on March 06, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
I'm wearing triple-layered condoms 24/7.  Not taking chances.


Good call.  I've also stocked up on  Silver Solution (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/03/05/ny-attorney-general-televangelist-jim-bakker-stop-peddling-unproven-coronavirus-cures/).
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2020, 03:43:27 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2020, 06:26:16 PM
Austin cancelled SXSW because of this

I’m cool with this.  Don’t have to worry about traffic now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2020, 07:21:00 PM
Austin cancelled SXSW because of this

I’m cool with this.  Don’t have to worry about traffic now.
Wonder how many other major events are going to be cancelled.

This is also where having an administration that lies about everything all the time, including things that don't need to be lied about, hurts this country. I don't buy a word Trump or Pence says about the illness, particularly Trump who quite obviously has no idea what's going on. Pence probably doesn't either, but he does a slightly better job of hiding it. He probably just assumes this is God smiting all the non-believers or something.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
Wonder how many other major events are going to be cancelled.

This is also where having an administration that lies about everything all the time, including things that don't need to be lied about, hurts this country. I don't buy a word Trump or Pence says about the illness, particularly Trump who quite obviously has no idea what's going on. Pence probably doesn't either, but he does a slightly better job of hiding it. He probably just assumes this is God smiting all the non-believers or something.
Bojanglesfest 2020 has been cancelled. No refunds.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2020, 07:40:52 PM
I'm going to a 311 3-day concert next week in Vegas, I'll be in Vegas around the NCAA Tournament, I have a Rage Against the Machine concert I'm going to later this month, and I have another concert festival I'm going to in May. Plus, I like to play poker. So basically, I'm going to get the coronavirus somewhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 07:55:53 PM
I'm going to a 311 3-day concert next week in Vegas, I'll be in Vegas around the NCAA Tournament, I have a Rage Against the Machine concert I'm going to later this month, and I have another concert festival I'm going to in May. Plus, I like to play poker. So basically, I'm going to get the coronavirus somewhere.
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
Wonder how many other major events are going to be cancelled.

This is also where having an administration that lies about everything all the time, including things that don't need to be lied about, hurts this country. I don't buy a word Trump or Pence says about the illness, particularly Trump who quite obviously has no idea what's going on. Pence probably doesn't either, but he does a slightly better job of hiding it. He probably just assumes this is God smiting all the non-believers or something.
Liberal lies
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2020, 11:18:33 PM
To be fair Obama is probably the only president/presidential candidate in recent years I'd believe when speaking about Coronavirus at all. Mostly because he's the only president I can think of who seems like a genuinely intelligent person capable of understanding advanced concepts.

Biden/Sanders/Bush/Clinton/McCain/Trump/Pence all don't inspire confidence in their intellectual abilities.

Hillary and Cheney both seemed very intelligent thoguh, even if they were both narcissistic sociopaths.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 06, 2020, 11:35:08 PM
To be fair Obama is probably the only president/presidential candidate in recent years I'd believe when speaking about Coronavirus at all. Mostly because he's the only president I can think of who seems like a genuinely intelligent person capable of understanding advanced concepts.

Biden/Sanders/Bush/Clinton/McCain/Trump/Pence all don't inspire confidence in their intellectual abilities.

Hillary and Cheney both seemed very intelligent thoguh, even if they were both narcissistic sociopaths.

Can you imagine if Cheney and Hillary had a kid? I think this place is filled with giant gaping assholes, if you put us all together that kid would dwarf us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2020, 11:50:26 PM
Can you imagine if Cheney and Hillary had a kid? I think this place is filled with giant gaping assholes, if you put us all together that kid would dwarf us.

If they had a daughter I'd definitely want to bang her
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2020, 01:24:01 AM
They said a week and a half ago that it had been contained. Clearly, that was a lie.

Now they're saying again tonight that it's been contained, when that clearly is not the case.

This is Baghdad Bob level excrement.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 08:23:47 AM
https://www.evergreenhealth.com/community-message-3420

Categorized as endemic in Seattle
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
They said a week and a half ago that it had been contained. Clearly, that was a lie.

Now they're saying again tonight that it's been contained, when that clearly is not the case.

This is Baghdad Bob level excrement.

Lol it’s not like you believed them. It’s not contained anywhere that it’s spread to
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2020, 08:42:41 AM
The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 07, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
I have a Rage Against the Machine concert I'm going to later this month

I had no idea they were back together.  One of the best live shows I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 11:59:06 AM
The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured

Ok Trump
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
Ok Trump

You can tell I'm different to Trump by the way I'm quoting a link with actual scientists and excrement.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 12:02:06 PM
You can tell I'm different to Trump by the way I'm quoting a link with actual scientists and excrement.

But you agree Trump is correct
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
But you agree Trump is correct
As I long since gave up listening to anything that buffoon says because it's almost entirely made up in his head, I have no idea. It is true that a stopped clock is occasionally correct, but not often.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
Quote
The governor says he is declaring state of emergency

Cuomo
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 01:02:22 PM
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Cuomo says the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York has risen to 76, up from 44 yesterday
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
I know not many people think like this

But Coronavirus is going to make rich folks a lot of freaking money
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 07, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
I have corona virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
I have corona virus

RIP
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 08, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
Italy has placed up to 16 million people, 1/4 of Italians under quarantine until 3 April to contain the spread of coronavirus. It’s forbidden to enter or leave Lombardy and 14 other central and northern provinces. Milan and Venice are both affected

https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1236585278585933824?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 08, 2020, 09:19:53 AM
The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured

You dick, watching and listening to people panic is pretty damn fun.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 08:20:40 AM
Today's already being referred to as "black monday" with the markets set to crash at opening bell. Coronavirus is gonna make some people very rich and others lose massive amounts of wealth
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 09:06:11 AM
Today's already being referred to as "black monday" with the markets set to crash at opening bell. Coronavirus is gonna make some people very rich and others lose massive amounts of wealth
Oil price plunge is a big factor via Saudi Arabia flooding the market, not just the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 09:07:18 AM
Everyone can relax, we're all saved.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2020/03/09/masturbation-can-help-people-fight-the-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 09:42:17 AM
Oil price plunge is a big factor via Saudi Arabia flooding the market, not just the virus.

Is that not related to Coronavirus in some part?

Regardless the circuit breaker happening today is pretty fascinating stuff
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 10:33:43 AM
Is that not related to Coronavirus in some part?

Regardless the circuit breaker happening today is pretty fascinating stuff
It probably a few degrees from Kevin Bacon too, but not reasonably related.  Then again, I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
It probably a few degrees from Kevin Bacon too, but not reasonably related.  Then again, I'm an idiot.


Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here

I cannot comprehend this
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2020, 11:17:34 AM
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here

I cannot comprehend this

oh excrement...when did dcm become self-aware?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here

I cannot comprehend this

I think Bo is saying that the oil thing isn't CV related, at least not directly, but I'm with you. My understanding is that OPEC wanted to hold the price down because the CV panic is impacting travel and tourism industries which are hugely impacted by oil prices, Russia said no because it's in their interest to have western markets in turmoil, OPEC told Russia to freak off and Saudi decided to remind the Russians who the big boy in the room is when it comes to global oil markets.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 01:28:25 PM
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here

I cannot comprehend this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country.
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said that people would only be permitted to travel for work or family emergencies.
He said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were to defend the most fragile members of society.
Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China.
The number of confirmed infections also increased to 9,172, up from 7,375 on Sunday, official figures show.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
My job has suspended non-essential business air travel and banned meetings/conferences with more than 20 people lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 09:08:04 AM
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1237367948420902914?s=21

Instant Classic
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1237367948420902914?s=21

Instant Classic

This is why Trump is your president...because imbeciles like this are the ones voting in your elections.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 10:00:21 AM
Damn.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 11:01:03 AM
This is why Trump is your president...because imbeciles like this are the ones voting in your elections.

https://twitter.com/ordiomongo/status/1237205918695161856?s=21

America is fucked
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 10, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vUd5QGlg7w

:10 to :30
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ordiomongo/status/1237205918695161856?s=21

America is fucked
Damn.  We may all die, but goddammit we will wipe our asses in style!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 11:20:17 AM
They canceled the St. Patrick’s Day parades in Dublin, Boston, New Haven CT, and Hartford CT. New York is still on. 2 million people.

In CT, they just cancelled all the HS state championships for all sports. First round was last night, and they just ended the tournament.

If things don’t get start getting better soon, only a matter of time until they tell us that March madness and MLB games will be played without fans in attendance. They already banned the media from the locker rooms in the 4 major sports.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 11:29:35 AM
Chuck Norris just cancelled the coronavirus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
Sources: The Ivy League has cancelled its conference tournament due to coronavirus.

Regular season champion Yale will go to the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 10, 2020, 11:46:14 AM
Consider installing a bidet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 11:50:37 AM
Consider installing a bidet.

Did you know you can get these retrofit bidet things that go on your toilet and cost less than $50? I just learned that today and I'm quite tempted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 10, 2020, 11:58:56 AM
Did you know you can get these retrofit bidet things that go on your toilet and cost less than $50? I just learned that today and I'm quite tempted.

Those are the kinds I was used to in Japan. Every toilet in every house had them.

Harvard is moving students off campus and setting up remote classes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
My job has suspended non-essential business air travel and banned meetings/conferences with more than 20 people lol

My work just suspended my primary assignment until at least 6/30/20. It involves traveling to and collecting data/info from aerospace hardware manufacturing suppliers for the military/govt so they would had to have gotten direction and approval from the feds.

I didn’t expect to see a target date that far out for anything canceled/suspended. No idea if it’s just over precaution or there’s anything to read into.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
I'm supposed to be at conferences in Nashville in April, Orlando beginning of June and Vegas mid July. If any of those get cancelled I'm going to be pissed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
I would wipe my derriere with my hand before you ever caught me in a store fighting over TP with those mouthbreathers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2020, 12:45:52 PM
i have tickets to the Jays/Twins series in Minneapolis in July.  Hopefully the apocalypse is delayed until after i get my kramarczuk's bratwurst w/ fried onions and mustard.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
https://www.wfsb.com/new-york-creates-containment-zone-using-national-guard-due-to/article_da8d69a6-23a7-5980-b0af-080aa0afea03.html

New Rochelle minor quarantine
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 10, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
Syracuse and Yeshiva moving all classes online
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-connecticut-coronavirus-covid19-update-20200310-ltbcfuy4ybcdjbdzwkr6xydnxe-story.html

Welp
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 02:10:53 PM
Y'all gonna die up north there.  We're down here in Virginia just walking past toilet paper in the grocery store like the world will go on forever. 

We can just go to Hardee's and buy a burger and they will give you so many napkins you could wipe your derriere in an emergency for 10 years.

I'm kidding, we are all gonna die.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 10, 2020, 02:23:31 PM
why the fvckin run on toilet paper?

did it take the fvcking coronavirus to remind these people to clean their asses
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 10, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
why the fvckin run on toilet paper?

did it take the fvcking coronavirus to remind these people to clean their asses

People don't even know how to doomsday prep, buying out the frozen section smfh
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 03:34:15 PM
Hypothetical:  You are a dumbass and think the world is ending.  You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item.  It's all you can buy.  What are you buying?

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 03:35:19 PM
Hypothetical:  You are a dumbass and think the world is ending.  You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item.  It's all you can buy.  What are you buying?



Beer
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 03:40:57 PM
Beer
That's why we pay you.  Good answer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 03:44:53 PM
why the fvckin run on toilet paper?

did it take the fvcking coronavirus to remind these people to clean their asses

Just read online how there's a huge shortage of toilet paper in Australia

I guess it is a thing
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Gorilla on March 10, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
Hypothetical:  You are a dumbass and think the world is ending.  You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item.  It's all you can buy.  What are you buying?

Booze is tempting., as is canned food.

Maybe painkllers/fever reducers (all the tylenol and ibuprofen)?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 10, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
Just read online how there's a huge shortage of toilet paper in Australia

I guess it is a thing

No one ever accused the Aussie's of being brain surgeons.

Anyway, considering I have plenty of entertainment ready to go in terms of video games/tv shows I haven't touched yet, some beautiful sticky icky icky and my wife demanded I go on a non-perishable run over the weekend just in case, I say bring on the mass quarantine!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Just read online how there's a huge shortage of toilet paper in Australia

I guess it is a thing

The only way there would be a shortage on toilet paper is if a bunch of frenzied retards went around buying it all up
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Hypothetical:  You are a dumbass and think the world is ending.  You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item.  It's all you can buy.  What are you buying?



Industrial strength Cumberland jeans

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 04:36:44 PM
The only way there would be a shortage on toilet paper is if a bunch of frenzied retards went around buying it all up

I mean I don't know where toilet paper is made. But if I was to wager a guess I would say most of it is made in China. I still don't see why there would be a shortage of it as it's probably stupid easy to produce. But at least makes some sense
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:37:03 PM
Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country.
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said that people would only be permitted to travel for work or family emergencies.
He said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were to defend the most fragile members of society.
Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China.
The number of confirmed infections also increased to 9,172, up from 7,375 on Sunday, official figures show.

https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840?s=21

“Please, please guys. Here in northern #Italy we made one big mistake. Everybody kept saying "It's just flu" and now our intensive care units are collapsing. Everybody kept going outside like nothing happened and now our grandparents and parents are dying.
#coronavirus is not #flu

...

Right now in Lombardy (red zone) we have a 5/6% mortality rate. That's because our healthcare system is starting to fall. Our doctors are strong and they're doing everything they can, working 24/7 no stop away from their family. As your brave doctors do and did. Sending love”




Point to consider that the mortality rate goes up in communities where the medical resources have been overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 10, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
I already have enough beer to last a good two months at least.


That’s a good question. Maybe propane?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840?s=21

“Please, please guys. Here in northern #Italy we made one big mistake. Everybody kept saying "It's just flu" and now our intensive care units are collapsing. Everybody kept going outside like nothing happened and now our grandparents and parents are dying.
#coronavirus is not #flu

...

Right now in Lombardy (red zone) we have a 5/6% mortality rate. That's because our healthcare system is starting to fall. Our doctors are strong and they're doing everything they can, working 24/7 no stop away from their family. As your brave doctors do and did. Sending love”




Point to consider that the mortality rate goes up in communities where the medical resources have been overwhelmed.

I don't know if that's supposed to be a reporter or just some random idiot.

But id wager that more people will die from the burden on healthcare resources (ie hysteria of everyone with the sniffles going to the hospital) than from the actual disease itself
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 04:39:47 PM
Porn mags.  Once the internet and electricity go out, I'll be the king of the world with my Playboys and Hustler mags. It'll be like the 70s again.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:42:46 PM
https://twitter.com/silviast9/status/1236933820122890241?s=21
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Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 04:43:29 PM
I mean I don't know where toilet paper is made. But if I was to wager a guess I would say most of it is made in China. I still don't see why there would be a shortage of it as it's probably stupid easy to produce. But at least makes some sense

In Canada it's made in Canada. Apparently in Australia it's made in Australia. I assume that in the US it's made in the US. It's just not a high enough value consumable to be economically feasible as a long distance import, would be my guess.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:43:32 PM
I don't know if that's supposed to be a reporter or just some random idiot.

But id wager that more people will die from the burden on healthcare resources (ie hysteria of everyone with the sniffles going to the hospital) than from the actual disease itself

Sit this one out
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2020, 04:48:38 PM
I’m buying guns and ammo

That way if I need something else, I can shoot you and take what is now mine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
I don't know if that's supposed to be a reporter or just some random idiot.

But id wager that more people will die from the burden on healthcare resources (ie hysteria of everyone with the sniffles going to the hospital) than from the actual disease itself

Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.

Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.

This is a good resource for the latest data:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 05:01:39 PM
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.

Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.

This is a good resource for the latest data:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Mexico will pay for it.  All positives will be deported to Manitoba.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
Mexico will pay for it.  All positives will be deported to Manitoba.


There's a not insignificant chance that hot weather slows or even prevents the spread of coronaviruses. There's a reason no one gets the flu in summer. Mexico has 7 reported cases, although I recognise that their reporting is probably not to the same level as other countries; look though at where the reported cases are in the US. They're in Washington and New York and northern California, they're not in Arizona or Florida despite those states skewing much older and therefore more likely to require hospitalisation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 10, 2020, 05:21:17 PM
I have a house upstate with 3 guns and plenty of acreage. If things go berserk I’ll setup shop there for a bit. Got fiber internet, really good WiFi, security cameras, plenty of booze and water, and can hunt for food if necessary.

See you all in hell losers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 05:24:57 PM
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.

Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.

This is a good resource for the latest data:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I certainly don't think the US Healthcare model is special

But I don't think any model will be particularly advantaged at handling an overloaded system because of hysteria. It sounds like Canada has a good setup according to what you said, but I'd wager that's more because of being organized and sensible (and having such a small amount of people testing positive) rather than their actual system.

As long as everyone's crazy and thinks this is the apocalypse systems will be overloaded. I think public relations will do more to combat this than any medical interventions
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 05:28:04 PM
There's a not insignificant chance that hot weather slows or even prevents the spread of coronaviruses. There's a reason no one gets the flu in summer. Mexico has 7 reported cases, although I recognise that their reporting is probably not to the same level as other countries; look though at where the reported cases are in the US. They're in Washington and New York and northern California, they're not in Arizona or Florida despite those states skewing much older and therefore more likely to require hospitalisation.

Probably also helps that there's probably a lot less people around the world traveling to Mexico than their is to NY LA etc.

But no question climate probably plays a key role. And the fact that this pandemic is coming to fruition in March instead of say November, will probably save countless lives in the US
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
I certainly don't think the US Healthcare model is special

But I don't think any model will be particularly advantaged at handling an overloaded system because of hysteria. It sounds like Canada has a good setup according to what you said, but I'd wager that's more because of being organized and sensible (and having such a small amount of people testing positive) rather than their actual system.

As long as everyone's crazy and thinks this is the apocalypse systems will be overloaded. I think public relations will do more to combat this than any medical interventions

Social healthcare systems are better equipped because they can funnel the populace as a group into a single process, but of course if the process isn't right or properly resourced then it also falls down. The UK has that problem currently as it wants people who think they might have symptoms to first call the NHS 111 hotline, which means of course every queynte with a weird pimple is calling up to see if it means they have coronavirus and as a result people are having to sit on hold for hours on end to get answered because British people are freaking idiots who love a good panic.

In Canada we seem to have a handle on it, we're doing a similar thing with pointing people initially to their provincial telehealth service - I imagine they're busy but I haven't heard of them being overwhelmed. If telehealth determines that you sound like you are a risk of positive (symptoms, high risk travel etc) then they're directing you to your local testing centre with a referral number - without a referral you don't get tested.

In the US I suspect the risk is that walk in centres and ERs will take the brunt of the uninsured, or worse, people who are actually infected but have no coverage will just soldier on and keep spreading it. We shall see.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on March 10, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
In the US I suspect the risk is that walk in centres and ERs will take the brunt of the uninsured, or worse, people who are actually infected but have no coverage will just soldier on and keep spreading it. We shall see.
That's the problem. Unless you quarantine everybody, people will still be spreading the virus. You go to a restaurant, whoever handles your food can have it. You go to a bar, same thing. You go to the grocery store to prepare for the threat, and the person giving you bags can have it.

I'm going to a concert the next 3 days then I'm going to Vegas for March Madness. Am I worried? Hell yes. But the only way to 100% avoid it is to basically lock yourself in your house.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 10, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.

Bowing at a distance vs. slobbering on each cheek. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 06:40:53 PM
Quote
BREAKING: Massachusetts has just announced 51 *new* cases of coronavirus, bringing the total number of presumptive cases to 92 -- a 124 percent increase from yesterday. Seventy of the cases are related to the Biogen conference in Boston. Six people are hospitalized. #WBZ

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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 06:42:51 PM
Again, most (healthy, young) people will be fine. But those same people can pass this on to someone else that fucks them up.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
Watch this. It's about math.

https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 10, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
Imagine when they actually start testing people how many cases we will have.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 09:12:44 PM
Watch this. It's about math.

https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg

That didn’t make me feel any better.

QFT from the comments:

Media: "Everybody Panic"
Governments: "Everybody Stay Calm"
3blue1brown: "Be Sufficiently Worried"
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
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OLYMPIA – To try to help stop the spread of the coronavirus, Gov. Jay Inslee is expected Wednesday to restrict gatherings of more than 250 people, including at sporting events and concerts.

The measure, the most sweeping since the outbreak began in the state, will be announced during a Seattle news conference, according to a source involved in conversations with the governor’s office but who has not been cleared to discuss the issue.

Joining Inslee will be the mayors of Seattle, Everett and Tacoma and executives for King, Snohomish and Pierce counties.

freak. That’s the start of it. Gotta think other states and NCAA/MLB will follow suit if things get worse
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Post by: Derek Smalls on March 10, 2020, 10:41:21 PM
freak. That’s the start of it. Gotta think other states and NCAA/MLB will follow suit if things get worse
Yesterday, the Sharks said they wouldn't play in front of fans. Today, the Ivy League canceled its tournament and 2 other leagues said  they wouldn't play in front of fans.

This is going to get worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2020, 02:41:17 AM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
Officially a pandemic
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Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 12:07:57 PM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.

My kid is on spring break this week. His school (Boston U) just shut down in-person classes and has gone completely online until at least mid-April.

This is insane.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 12:18:09 PM
My kid is on spring break this week. His school (Boston U) just shut down in-person classes and has gone completely online until at least mid-April.

This is insane.

A ton of universities are following this trend
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
A ton of universities are following this trend

It's crazy

I've been in disaster planning meetings all week. We were beginning to implement a DR plan company wide already, but this event has sent everything into overdrive. Our corporate policy has always been absolutely no remote work, and now suddenly we're looking at the possibility.
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Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 12:35:39 PM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.

I'd honestly rather the take home while the info is still fresh.

I'm shocked my old law school hasn't canceled live classes and begun remote sessions.
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Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 12:53:49 PM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.

Yeah, same for me. 

I'd imagine at this point that schools are just afraid of staying open, someone there getting covid, and then suing them for staying open.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Schools and universities have been desperate to push remote learning for years. Easier to attract students from anywhere in the world, no need to maintain costly real estate, no having to deal with the attendant issues that come with having thousands of hormonal 20 year olds in one place. This will almost certainly be a catalyst to push remote learning into a more mainstream approach, and frankly it's a good idea for a lot of students.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 01:07:07 PM
Schools and universities have been desperate to push remote learning for years. Easier to attract students from anywhere in the world, no need to maintain costly real estate, no having to deal with the attendant issues that come with having thousands of hormonal 20 year olds in one place. This will almost certainly be a catalyst to push remote learning into a more mainstream approach, and frankly it's a good idea for a lot of students.

Yeah, I'm all for it.  Also a good way to push out the dinosaurs who think it's a point of pride that they don't know how to send a freaking email. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 01:07:24 PM
Completely unrelated to the subject at hand, i actually keep a hand pump of Purell Hand Sanitizer on my desk. People are disgusting pigs, and my coworkers are no different. Anyway, I've had this bottle for the last 2 years.  In a sweet piece of irony, the bottle finally ran out today.  Of all the times for it to run out. 

Over my lunch, i went to 6 different stores near my office (Costco, Canadian Tire, Shoppers Drug Mart, Sobeys, Safeway, and i even tried Home Depot) to see if i could purchase a replacement.....all sold out.

We don't have a single case of freaking COVID19 reported in this city yet.  But here we are.


Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 01:14:37 PM
Completely unrelated to the subject at hand, i actually keep a hand pump of Purell Hand Sanitizer on my desk. People are disgusting pigs, and my coworkers are no different. Anyway, I've had this bottle for the last 2 years.  In a sweet piece of irony, the bottle finally ran out today.  Of all the times for it to run out. 

Over my lunch, i went to 6 different stores near my office (Costco, Canadian Tire, Shoppers Drug Mart, Sobeys, Safeway, and i even tried Home Depot) to see if i could purchase a replacement.....all sold out.

We don't have a single case of freaking COVID19 reported in this city yet.  But here we are.

In Court today, there's a part that will keep wrapped mini chocolates like Milky Ways and Snickers in a little basket for anyone to take as they like. It was right next to this big derriere industrial sized bottle of Purell.

I'll let you guess which was empty and which was full.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?

i stopped sticking my finger in my derriere and then shaking hands.  Could be an issue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/YVUEbK1muE5by/source.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 01:22:51 PM
At first i thought...maybe my derriere taint could cure the COVID19.




Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 01:28:47 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?

People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 01:38:10 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?

It's still unknown how the virus transmits.

The whole "wash your hands, don't touch your face" is just good general advice for the prevention of disease. But if this virus is airborne, you can rub your hands underwater till they bleed and you're still SOL.

This is why the whole mask thing is stupid. Unless you're also wearing airtight goggles, and take the mask off, discard it, and immediately wash your hands--and the goggles, you've exposed yourself to the virus if it's been around you.

Your eyeballs are a direct line to your bloodstream. If someone sneezes around you, do you shut your eyes and cover your nose and mouth for long enough that anything riding the wave of microscopic spittle released into the air has had a chance to dissipate/die?

Honestly, an early quarantine would've been the only way to prevent the pandemic. But that's not feasible in the world of "get your lazy derriere to work" thinking. It's going to be interesting to see how (or if) this thing spurs remote accessibility going forward.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
freak. That’s the start of it. Gotta think other states and NCAA/MLB will follow suit if things get worse

Quote
The Mariners will move home games from Seattle through the end of March following the state of Washington's decision to ban large group events in response to the coronavirus outbreak.

Seattle had been scheduled to open the season at Safeco Field with a four-game series against Texas from March 26-29, then host Minnesota in a three-game series from March 30 through April 1.

The Mariners say they are working with the commissioner's office on alternative plans.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee on Wednesday announced a ban on all large gatherings in the three counties of the Seattle metro area through at least the end of March.

In their statement, the Mariners said: "While we hope to be back to playing baseball in Seattle as soon as possible, the health and safety of our community is the most important consideration."

The team said that it will give credits to season-ticket holders for games missed and will automatically refund single-ticket buyers that purchased tickets through the Mariners.

Other Seattle teams are also affected. The Seattle Sounders of the MLS announced Wednesday that their March 21 match against FC Dallas at CenturyLink Field has been postponed.

Teams throughout the United States are canceling or changing games. The NBA's Warriors said they will play all foreseeable home games without fans because of San Francisco's ban of gatherings of more than 1,000 people. That affects baseball's Giants as well, who said they won't play a home exhibition game against the A's on March 24 and are trying to make alternate plans.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.

Billion dollar idea: installing sinks outside bathrooms.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
Places that are getting hit hard - northern Italy, Wuhan, Washington State, northern Iran. All cold/temperate regions with low humidity.

Places that are not getting hit despite extensive travel from affected areas - Southern Italy, Shanghai, Florida, South America. All warm regions with high humidity.

Basically, this thing seems very flu like in its transmission tolerance - no one gets flu in the summer. The answer is for us all to freak off on vacation for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 01:58:09 PM
Billion dollar idea: installing sinks outside bathrooms.
I'm in one of those professions where it might be best for me to wash my hands before going into the crapper.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2020, 02:37:27 PM
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.
this
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/will-the-2020-nfl-draft-be-canceled-due-to-coronavirus-heres-the-latest-on-the-situation/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
My kid is on spring break this week. His school (Boston U) just shut down in-person classes and has gone completely online until at least mid-April.

This is insane.
I'd honestly rather the take home while the info is still fresh.

I'm shocked my old law school hasn't canceled live classes and begun remote sessions.
Yeah, same for me. 

I'd imagine at this point that schools are just afraid of staying open, someone there getting covid, and then suing them for staying open.   

Lawsuits and such ugh.

I would rather in person. Online the freaking professors make the tests so freaking difficult it usually takes me half a day to complete the freaking things.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.

So it’s only from hand to hand contact or can it be transferred from an inanimate object or through the air?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
I find it hard to believe that everyone would be safe if you just don’t shake anyone else’s hand
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
https://twitter.com/hassel_chris/status/1237827196296757249?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 03:15:59 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffmcdev/status/1237205250106437632?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
https://twitter.com/phil_sanchez/status/1237836347995574273?s=12

Welp
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 03:34:03 PM
I've seen Contagion like five times so if anyone needs expert advice I'm here

Awesome flick
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 03:55:13 PM
Coronavirus is not airborn its droplet/surface transmission. This is the same way the flu is transmitted.

Airborne diseases would be things like the measles or tuberculosis. If this disease was airborne transmitted we would be royally fucked.

Droplet disease =you're on a plane and someone sneezes and anyone in the immediate area (ie where the droplets are in the area where the droplets get aerosolised) is at risk

Airborne = someone on an airplane has tuberculosis, the air on the whole plane circulates, and everyone on the entire plane is at risk for tuberculosis.

Moral of the story is airborn would be way way worse
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2020, 03:58:08 PM
Online the freaking professors make the tests so freaking difficult it usually takes me half a day to complete the freaking things.

ok boomer
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 11, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
Just had my work trip to Vegas next week canceled
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 04:37:20 PM
I mean I can't imagine this lasting that long

But I wonder what happens during the presidential campaign if this excrement is at its peak during the day of the election.

Do you suspend the presidential election? Is there bipartisan support for such a thing? Do people clamor about rampant voter suppression and corruption?

I guess it's kind of a moot point since if this shits not completely resolved long before November we're probably looking at a full blown depression and a massive killing off of the global populace. But I do wonder how this would effect an election none the less
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 04:38:28 PM
Coronavirus is not airborn its droplet/surface transmission. This is the same way the flu is transmitted.

Airborne diseases would be things like the measles or tuberculosis. If this disease was airborne transmitted we would be royally fucked.

Droplet disease =you're on a plane and someone sneezes and anyone in the immediate area (ie where the droplets are in the area where the droplets get aerosolised) is at risk

Airborne = someone on an airplane has tuberculosis, the air on the whole plane circulates, and everyone on the entire plane is at risk for tuberculosis.

Moral of the story is airborn would be way way worse

So how did 70 people at that biogen conference in mass catch cases? Sneezing into each other’s mouths?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
So how did 70 people at that biogen conference in mass catch cases? Sneezing into each other’s mouths?

Purely speculation on my behalf. But I imagine at a business conference there was a ton of shaking hands and food (likely even buffet style food sitting out all day with people grabbing at it)

I'm not speculating on the disease being droplet transmission, that's from the CDC and all those organizations but presumably it has a large dwell time and high infection rate which is why this shits spreading so much faster than most droplet transmitted diseases were familiar with
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 04:52:31 PM
dcm will save us from ourselves
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
dcm will save us from ourselves

I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that all people freaking do at business conferences are shake hands and eat
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that all people freaking do at business conferences are shake hands and eat

Thank you for your service.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
dcm's actually been on point the last couple of days, it's a refreshing change. Let's keep him away from the football threads and we might have something here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 05:55:19 PM
I mean I can't imagine this lasting that long

But I wonder what happens during the presidential campaign if this excrement is at its peak during the day of the election.

Do you suspend the presidential election? Is there bipartisan support for such a thing? Do people clamor about rampant voter suppression and corruption?

I guess it's kind of a moot point since if this shits not completely resolved long before November we're probably looking at a full blown depression and a massive killing off of the global populace. But I do wonder how this would effect an election none the less
It is possible for this to both persist for quite a while and not kill the entire world and send the world into depression.  It may end up being an annual thing just like influenza, who knows.  I highly doubt this thing is completely gone anytime soon.  Doesn't mean the world is going to explode.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 06:15:32 PM
It is possible for this to both persist for quite a while and not kill the entire world and send the world into depression.  It may end up being an annual thing just like influenza, who knows.  I highly doubt this thing is completely gone anytime soon.  Doesn't mean the world is going to explode.
Just need that vaccine babbie
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
Just need that vaccine babbie
The salt from ham sammiches and BW3 wings kills all germs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 06:25:51 PM
Just need that vaccine babbie

Took them two years to map the SARS genome, they had this one done in ten days. I don't think the vaccine is arriving in time for the weekend, but it will be out fairly quickly (by pharma standards).
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:03:43 PM
NBA to announce no fans tomorrow
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
Jets announce no fans.  Policy began last year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:22:42 PM
Jets announce no fans.  Policy began last year.

2nd in attendance in 2019
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:34:10 PM
https://twitter.com/joeysalads/status/1237739422138781696?s=21

Lol for so many reasons at this interaction
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
https://twitter.com/joeysalads/status/1237739422138781696?s=21

Lol for so many reasons at this interaction

Why do you follow this knob?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:45:31 PM
It is wild how many uneducated people there are out there. I’m not trying to ride any high horse but I just saw a guy say you can only catch Coronavirus if you’re 60+.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
Our office is setting up "take home desks" tomorrow that will obviously allow us to work from home.

Gold River, CA and Salt Lake City locations are self-quarantined.  Indianapolis and us have apparently been ordered to do the same by the end of next week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
It's clear that the best way to end this disease is tax cuts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
Our office is setting up "take home desks" tomorrow that will obviously allow us to work from home.

Gold River, CA and Salt Lake City locations are self-quarantined.  Indianapolis, IN and us have apparently been ordered to do the same by the end of next week.


Does anyone work from home already or is this a first time/pilot system? I’m extremely curious to see what companies that don’t already have the infrastructure set up will do
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
Does anyone work from home already or is this a first time/pilot system? I’m extremely curious to see what companies that don’t already have the infrastructure set up will do

No one in sales works from home, mainly because our application is set up to generate the leads our marketing team buys in real time.

I'm assuming we'll have the same kind of set up that our IT guys have because most of them work from home (and coffee shops) a few times a week.

We're doing a test tomorrow, which is why they are setting up the take home format.  Instead of a massive desktop with the dialer, we'll be working from laptops. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:03:40 PM
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1237902689112952832?s=21

Wtf
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
No one in sales works from home, mainly because our application is set up to generate the leads our marketing team buys in real time.

I'm assuming we'll have the same kind of set up that our IT guys have because most of them work from home (and coffee shops) a few times a week.

We're doing a test tomorrow, which is why they are setting up the take home format.  Instead of a massive desktop with the dialer, we'll be working from laptops. 

Our default is a laptop that connects to a docking station with monitors and keyboard at our desk. I like it way more than the desktop days
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1237902689112952832?s=21

Wtf

“Incase you didn't know, Rudy Gobert touched everything in sight before leaving a press conference on Monday. All microphones, recorders etc. That's what's led to this fiasco and the Thunder-Jazz game being called off.

What a complete freaking moron.“

I heard about this, and if it’s true it might be the best storyline so far
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 08:25:00 PM
gobert just infected the entire jazz and okc media contingent lmao
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 08:25:56 PM
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
Trump announced the suspension of all travel between Europe and the US.... but not the UK.

I shouldn't need to tell you how incredibly dumb this is.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Gorbert tested positive
NBA season suspended
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
Juventus announces defender Daniele Rugani has tested positive for the coronavirus

For the soccer bros. Think Ronaldo is on this team
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
holy shittttt
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
Juventus announces defender Daniele Rugani has tested positive for the coronavirus

For the soccer bros. Think Ronaldo is on this team

Juve are in Turin, it's one of the epicenters of the lockdown. Not a huge surprise.

Like most people, he's going to feel a bit excrement for a few days and then be fine. He'll be back in training next week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Juve are in Turin, it's one of the epicenters of the lockdown. Not a huge surprise.

Like most people, he's going to feel a bit excrement for a few days and then be fine. He'll be back in training next week.

Stop
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
I don't personally give a excrement about the NBA. But them suspending the season I think is going to have fairly massive reaching consequences. Makes me think we're not even remotely near the bottom
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
Stop

Why? "Famous dude I've never heard of has it, sky is falling now!"
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 08:55:39 PM
Why? "Famous dude I've never heard of has it, sky is falling now!"

It’s a much bigger deal than you seem to think
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 09:00:44 PM
It’s a much bigger deal than you seem to think

And nothing like as serious as way too many people want to make it. The overreaction is way more of a problem than the actual virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2020, 09:12:19 PM
Trump announced the suspension of all travel between Europe and the US.... but not the UK.

I shouldn't need to tell you how incredibly dumb this is.

didnt you hear about brexit, uk isnt in europe anymore
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
didnt you hear about brexit, uk isnt in europe anymore

And they have a moat, so they're all good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
tom hanks and his wife just confirmed theyve got it in australia
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 09:27:10 PM
china wasnt wrong though, they said the nba would regret it
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
It’s a much bigger deal than you seem to think

When it's said and done the economics of it will probably kill more people than the actual disease

Unless this gets exponentially worse
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 09:31:45 PM
When it's said and done the economics of it will probably kill more people than the actual disease

Unless this gets exponentially worse

Can't wait for you to hang yourself because you invested everything into DUDE Wipes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 11, 2020, 09:34:52 PM
DCM is just an awful, awful person.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 09:38:23 PM
Can't wait for you to hang yourself because you invested everything into DUDE Wipes

hahahaha
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 09:38:35 PM
Can't wait for you to hang yourself because you invested everything into DUDE Wipes

Gasp
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
I've never heard of Dude Wipes so I looked them up on Wikipedia.

Quote
In October 2018, Dude Wipes struck an endorsement deal with New York Jets running back Isaiah Crowell after Crowell celebrated a touchdown against the Cleveland Browns by pretending to wipe his behind with the football.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 09:49:50 PM
china wasnt wrong though, they said the nba would regret it

Ahahahahahahahahaha that is hilarious.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 11:09:03 PM
"Players from teams the Jazz have played within the past 10 days are being told to self-quarantine, sources told ESPN's Brian Windhorst. Those teams are the Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks, Boston Celtics, Detroit Pistons and the Toronto Raptors."
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 11:16:14 PM
https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/status/1237930579166814210?s=21

Check out the dude to his left lmao
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 11:19:19 PM
https://twitter.com/complex/status/1237937081214799872?s=21

Chet Hanks checks in, def not trying to show off his awful tattoos in a serious moment
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 11, 2020, 11:46:10 PM
a confirmed case has not hit my hospital yet but there are others in the city that have already been hit, so it's just a matter of time

there's a very high likelihood i'm going to be exposed over the next couple of weeks but i'm a pretty healthy guy and have no bad pre-existing health conditions, so i myself should be okay. i just worry about the possibility of inadvertent transmission to all of the other sick people in the hospital already

'healthy' people should be relatively okay but it's the transmission to those with lung disease or other pre-existing conditions that are at risk of tipping over very badly if exposed.

this is going to be an interesting time
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:22:59 AM
I am laughing right now, I have all the symptoms of this thing......ugh
I don't want to go to a hospital or clinic it's going to be stupid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 12:53:30 AM
DCM is just an awful, awful person.

Or could be that I'm capable of realizing that the economic impact will effect people's lives. I'm not talking about a rich billionaire losing a few hundred million. I'm talking about lower class people who will be significantly harmed by economic consequences that will have an impact on their health and access to Healthcare. Or are you too freaking stupid to realize that when Healthcare systems get overloaded that access to Healthcare will be negatively impacted, with the impact likely being most significant on lower income people. And this presumably being compounded outside of the US in impoverished nations like China where the people are basically told to eat excrement and die BEFORE this whole thing.

Not to mention when poorer people lose $$$ (which they presumably will) it will have a substantial impact on their ability to live a healthy lifestyle. Yes the disease will kill people, but more people will die because of economic changes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 12, 2020, 01:41:39 AM
I am laughing right now, I have all the symptoms of this thing......ugh
I don't want to go to a hospital or clinic it's going to be stupid.


Quarantine Puck before he gives it to all of us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 05:29:21 AM
I am laughing right now, I have all the symptoms of this thing......ugh
I don't want to go to a hospital or clinic it's going to be stupid.
Take care dude.  You've dealt with worse.  'member that time in '92 when you got smallpox from that Tijuana donkey.  You cured it with full body asbestos scrubs and peeling off the sores with duct tape.  You got dis.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
Don't let this silly virus stuff distract you from the fact that the Jets released Blake Countess. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 07:29:39 AM
https://twitter.com/danzu72/status/1238016208047353857?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 07:44:35 AM
Quote
Today's good news? Italy's 1st #coronavirus patient, 38-year-old Mattia from Codogno, is out of ICU, breathing on his own and was able to speak today. His wife, 8 months pregnant, also became infected. She has fully recovered and is now out of the hospital. Godspeed. / end

Italy’s patient zero was a 38 year old physically fit man that had to spend weeks on ICU and couldn’t breathe on his own. and Now the whole country is fucked
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:32:12 AM
Quote
FAUCI tells lawmakers that there's no way, without "cutting corners" in detrimental ways, to produce a coronavirus vaccine in less than a year to 18 months.

Anthony Fauci

Plz be wrong
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
Anthony Fauci

Plz be wrong

I think that's a little extreme.

The vaccine for H1N1 was made available after 7 months or so.  And with the money and resources countries are currently pouring into research for a vaccine, i would imagine we'll have something in a reasonable amount of time....probably before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:58:40 AM
I think that's a little extreme.

The vaccine for H1N1 was made available after 7 months or so.  And with the money and resources countries are currently pouring into research for a vaccine, i would imagine we'll have something in a reasonable amount of time....probably before the end of the year.

https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1237751528502579201?s=21

Getting a coronavirus vaccine into Phase 1 of testing has occurred the fastest “that anyone has ever done literally in the history of vaccinology.” - Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIH
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Quote
(WTXL) — U-Haul is offering 30 days of free self-storage to students who have to move due to precautions surrounding the coronavirus outbreak.

Many colleges and universities are taking precautions to prevent the spread of COVID-19 by temporarily closing campus and sending students home.

The company says they are "standing by and ready to help" in this time of need where students may be scrambling on how to quickly move or store their belongings.

In addition to offering 30 days of free self-storage, U-Haul offers several moving options including special rates for truck and trailer rentals.

U-Haul says the minimum age to rent a truck is 18 years old with a valid driver's license.

There may be limited availability in your area, so the company is encouraging students to act quickly.

Students can visit

U-Haul's website
to find a nearby location.

Not sure if anyone besides Alio has college kids, but could be a useful resource for friends/family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 09:53:38 AM
Jazz star Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus, league sources tell ESPN. Jazz players privately say that Rudy Gobert had been careless in the locker room touching other players and their belongings. Now a Jazz teammate has tested positive.

Woj
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
Jazz star Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus, league sources tell ESPN. Jazz players privately say that Rudy Gobert had been careless in the locker room touching other players and their belongings. Now a Jazz teammate has tested positive.

Woj

Gobert is a POS
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 10:26:41 AM
Gobert is a POS

America has a excrement ton more of Rudy Goberts out there so I think this is going to get much worse before it gets better.  People still aren’t taking this seriously.

I am treating everyone I interact with like they're as dumb as Rudy Gobert
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
America has a excrement ton more of Rudy Goberts out there so I think this is going to get much worse before it gets better.  People still aren’t taking this seriously.

I am treating everyone I interact with like they're as dumb as Rudy Gobert

I think it's possible to take this seriously and still remain calm.  And you know i have legit concerns personally regarding this excrement.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 12, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
Gobert is a POS
I saw a clip without any audio....was he purposely touching everything at his press conference and why was he doing that?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 10:56:37 AM
I saw a clip without any audio....was he purposely touching everything at his press conference and why was he doing that?

yes....because he's a freaking moron
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 12, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
yes....because he's a freaking moron
What’s the context? Was he trying to be funny? Did a reporter ask him if he had symptoms?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
They just canceled all the NCAA conference tournaments
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 12, 2020, 11:04:42 AM
They just canceled all the NCAA conference tournaments
The Big East and ACC did not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
NHL season suspended
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
What’s the context? Was he trying to be funny? Did a reporter ask him if he had symptoms?

I believe he was making light of the situation.  Either way, it was irresponsible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
Quote
Baseball about to suspend ST


No
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
All porn suspended.  Kidding.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: ScotlandJet on March 12, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Things getting pretty scary over here. Sporting events from Monday will only being able to hold 500 spectators.
Thinking here is that emergency services will not be able to cope.

Panic buying has already started - supermarkets being sold out of usual staples - pasta, rice tinned food!

Batten down the hatches.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:10:10 PM
Things getting pretty scary over here. Sporting events from Monday will only being able to hold 500 spectators.
Thinking here is that emergency services will not be able to cope.

Panic buying has already started - supermarkets being sold out of usual staples - pasta, rice tinned food!

Batten down the hatches.

Be careful, you're in the over 75 metric where the disease does the most damage.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: ScotlandJet on March 12, 2020, 12:14:59 PM
Be careful, you're in the over 75 metric where the disease does the most damage.

Still have all my own hair and teeth though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 12:19:39 PM
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.
Puck has wooden teeth like George Washington.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:21:28 PM
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.
No one here cares if you shave your balls or not, forgetting BO of course.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:22:41 PM
Puck has wooden teeth like George Washington.

Nope I have all my chicklets save for one.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 12:27:04 PM
MLB to suspend all operations later today
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2020, 01:04:19 PM
BUT BUT BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA PAY FOR IT(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200312/c66114e3de70f576b2b4e0c3f93adf7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2020, 01:05:24 PM
Not to go whiny/political with this but sometimes it seems the media weasel quotient runs hot:

The NYDN cover yesterday went full snark on New Rochelle ("New Roch Hell").....NYDN then catches flak from a number of local circles.......fast forward to today when the NYDN does a 180-degree about face and disingenuously (it would seem) puts on its cover ("New Ro Strong").  I live nearby in '10583' so maybe I'm too local sensitive but...

Wu Rochelle ftw

https://talkofthesound.com/2020/03/12/op-ed-a-new-rochelle-residents-open-letter-to-the-daily-news/

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Be careful, you're in the over 75 metric where the disease does the most damage.
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.

perfect response
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 01:35:43 PM
Duke and Kansas withdrew from NCAA tourney

RIP March Madness
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
Death toll passes 1K in Italy. I think their first positive test was 3 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
NFL Spring Coaches Meeting canceled, no photo with Andy Reid in a Hawaiian shirt
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:04:11 PM
Quote
Hear that MLB will ask players to stay at spring sites where they have access to team medical personnel, can continue to work out and will not be fanning out across the country. But players can go as they please.

Sherman

This is so weird
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
BREAKING: Major League Baseball has officially suspended spring-training games and will delay the start of the regular season by at least two weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2020, 03:43:48 PM
Surreal. 

Good job NCAA, Conferences and member institutions. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 03:45:47 PM
BREAKING: My men’s hockey league suspended until April
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2020, 04:00:20 PM

Quote from: SixFeetDeep
BREAKING: My men’s hockey league suspended until April

hahaha
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2020, 04:13:15 PM
My son's martial arts school has been closed till further notice.

NYC public grammar and high schools still in full session though. Can't have kids without babysitters when their parents are pressured to continue to ride the MTA into a small gathering of 3 million people every day for their jobs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 04:24:37 PM
My son's martial arts school has been closed till further notice.

NYC public grammar and high schools still in full session though. Can't have kids without babysitters when their parents are pressured to continue to ride the MTA into a small gathering of 3 million people every day for their jobs.

Yikes. All of the CT schools are shutting down 1 by 1. A bunch of counties did so today, and Hartford is done starting Monday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 04:30:01 PM
North Korea hasn’t reported any cases of Coronavirus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 05:13:05 PM
North Korea hasn’t reported any cases of Coronavirus.

Lol it won't.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 12, 2020, 06:20:21 PM
Vietnam has tested more people for Coronaviruz than the United States. VIET-freaking-NAM. They're essentially a third world country.

Let that sink in....
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 06:30:04 PM
The problem is comparing a free and open society to places where the government controls most everything. Try instituting mandatory coronavirus-covid-19 testing in this country, we would lose ourccollective minds more than they already are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:53:21 PM
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1238252939170504704?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 08:54:41 PM
They even cancelled the freaking Grand Prix.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:55:37 PM
I never thought this would affect the NFL draft but after seeing the majors sports leagues responses it would be naive to think it’s not in question at this point. Could they do it electronically? Is there enough time to pull something like that off?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 08:57:24 PM
I never thought this would affect the NFL draft but after seeing the majors sports leagues responses it would be naive to think it’s not in question at this point. Could they do it electronically? Is there enough time to pull something like that off?

6 weeks away. With the fairly extreme response we're having, I think it will abate pretty quickly. My guess is that the draft will be fine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 08:59:20 PM
6 weeks away. With the fairly extreme response we're having, I think it will abate pretty quickly. My guess is that the draft will be fine.

While things being settled in 6 weeks is very plausible

The draft could be delayed long before that

At the very least I would think it's a near certainty that fans would be excluded
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 09:01:22 PM
While things being settled in 6 weeks is very plausible

The draft could be delayed long before that

At the very least I would think it's a near certainty that fans would be excluded

Agreed. But then fans going to the draft is freaking weird anyway, so no biggie there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
Agreed. But then fans going to the draft is freaking weird anyway, so no biggie there.

Well that wasn't really the point I was trying to make. Basically the coronavirus isn't going away in the next week or two. So the decision to suspend the draft could be made then, long before the actual draft
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
I hope the NFL Draft goes back to the old format and they do it all in one weekend. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 12, 2020, 09:31:42 PM
my sons school district is closed for spring break this coming week, and then 2 more weeks for covid-19 quarantine. this absolutely fucks everyone over, freak.

my wife works at a dentist, and theyre unable to get essential supplies because retards are hoarding them. they have 2 weeks worth of supplies left, and between their suppliers jacking up prices on everything(this excrement should be illegal) and people hoarding, theyre worried about not getting stuff and having to close until they can.

my own job announced wednesday that we were staying open, but would start checking into what everyone needs to work remotely and would re-evaluate once our county got its first confirmed case. 30 minutes later WHO declared it a pandemic and the first confirmed case was announced, a dr. and then today the schools closed for 2 additional weeks. so we'll see what happens tomorrow...


least theres no way tomorrow could be any worst than today, right?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 12, 2020, 09:38:25 PM
https://www.thewrap.com/disney-postpones-releases-of-mulan-the-new-mutants-and-antlers/

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Disney has postponed the releases of “Mulan,” “The New Mutants” and “Antlers” out of “an abundance of caution,” Disney announced Thursday.

“As you know this has been a rapidly evolving situation and I wanted to make you aware that we are postponing the releases of ‘Mulan,’ ‘The New Mutants,’ and ‘Antlers’ out of an abundance of caution. We truly believe in the moviegoing experience, and we are looking at new potential 2020 release dates to be announced at a later date,” Disney said in a statement.

“Mulan” was supposed to hit theaters March 27, while “The New Mutants” was scheduled for an April 3 release date and “Antlers” was supposed to open April 17.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
God dammit I wanted to see Antlers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 01:40:55 AM
I'm not going in tomorrow.

I'm on an oil tank that's halfway full and we have enough food for a week. I'm not an alarmist, but I'm also not getting caught completely unprepared if I'm in a situation where I need to stay in the house for an elongated period of time.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
I'm not an alarmist

Spoken like a true alarmist
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 07:11:56 AM
After going grocery shopping I'm convinced we're all far more likely to starve to death than die from freaking coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 13, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
Haven’t been to a store yet but CVS has my prescription ready so I’ll probably go there in a bit to see how fucked it is
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 07:34:19 AM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 07:36:38 AM
I hope the NFL Draft goes back to the old format and they do it all in one weekend. 

seconded
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 13, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
there was a couple driving along the 401 hitting up every walmart they could and buying out all the toilet paper to fill their UHAUL truck, so they could resell it at their store in toronto at a gigantic markup.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 08:00:57 AM
there was a couple driving along the 401 hitting up every walmart they could and buying out all the toilet paper to fill their UHAUL truck, so they could resell it at their store in toronto at a gigantic markup.

They should be the first to die.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 08:01:15 AM
Spoken like a true alarmist

lmao its true, thats something an alarmist would say.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:07:23 AM
They should be the first to die.

Making stops at every Walmart packed with slobs is a great way to contract CV
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:08:07 AM
lmao its true, thats something an alarmist would say.

So are we sounding the alarm or not
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:12:28 AM
I have 2 friends that work at massive healthcare companies in downtown Hartford, both have an employee that displayed symptoms and have been tested. Apparently it can take as long as 72 hours to get back results...

I worked remotely this week for this reason. By the time you hear that someone at your work has it, you’ve could have been socializing with that person or touching things that they have and then it’s too late to make that decision.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:31:57 AM
https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1238213711900393473?s=21

CNN loves the self own
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:38:18 AM
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The Republican Governor for Ohio Mike DeWine just confirmed that only 1,000 tests are available to 11.69 Million citizens who live there.

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Ohio’s devastating awakening: Ohio health official estimates 100,000 people in the state have contracted the novel coronavirus.

100,000 infected Ohioans and only 1000 tests available, according to the state’s GOP Governor Mike DeWine.


https://twitter.com/wordswithsteph/status/1238259099462184960?s=21

Missed this gem yesterday
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 08:43:46 AM

https://twitter.com/wordswithsteph/status/1238259099462184960?s=21

Missed this gem yesterday

Maybe Joe Burrow will pull the Eli after all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 08:43:52 AM
So are we sounding the alarm or not

If I can't pick up an ounce this weekend in anticipation of staying inside for a long period of time we are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
I had a Disney cruise scheduled 2 weeks from now that got cancelled.  Now I have to find somewhere else nice and beachy to go in SC, GA, or FL on short notice.

/Firstworld
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 09:57:06 AM
Bolsanaro tested positive, let's hope it's a particularly virulent strain.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 09:59:00 AM
Bolsanaro tested positive, let's hope it's a particularly virulent strain.

don't do that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 09:59:17 AM
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BREAKING: Spain's health ministry says number of cases of coronavirus has risen to 4,209 with 120 dead, or 1,063 new cases and 53 new deaths since midnight

This should all blow over any minute now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
^Source?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 10:02:46 AM
^Source?

https://twitter.com/ghoeberx/status/1238451667223351296?s=21

They reported their first case 10 days ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 10:15:24 AM
More legit source:

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Spain's prime minister says a state of emergency will come into effect there on Saturday amid a steep rise in coronavirus deaths.

Pedro Sánchez warned that very hard weeks lay ahead but he vowed the government would do everything necessary to combat the crisis.

Earlier, the number of deaths in Spain increased by some 50% in a day to reach 120. Infections jumped to 4,200.

Mr Sanchez said the figure could top 10,000 next week.

The state of emergency in Spain allows his government to take wide-ranging measures for up to 15 days, including:

limiting the movement of people or vehicles
ordering evacuations
prohibiting access to certain areas or places
intervening in areas of industry and farming
Controls are being introduced at an increasing number of borders in Europe, in response to the coronavirus.

-BBC
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 10:37:38 AM
don't do that.

Hell yes. I'm filling my time building my list of people I most want to see getting this excrement. I warn you it's long.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ghoeberx/status/1238451667223351296?s=21

They reported their first case 10 days ago.

I think you have to look at all sorts of factors when analysis a particular country's infection and death rates, for there's no point comparing Spain to the UK because they're so wildly different in so many ways including industry, social interaction, propensity to travel etc. Big numbers in Spain don't mean "omigod it's really a deadly killer mutant space virus" any more than low numbers in Canada mean "it's really nothing more than a slightly more infectious cold". Context is everything.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Hell yes. I'm filling my time building my list of people I most want to see getting this excrement. I warn you it's long.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.

Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.

This is a good resource for the latest data:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Your link here says closed cases are at 7% deaths. Just a couple weeks ago everyone was being told the mortality rate is 2-3%. Maybe people don’t actually know what’s going to happen and should stop telling everyone they know the future.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:20:28 AM
Your link here says closed cases are at 7% deaths. Just a couple weeks ago everyone was being told the mortality rate is 2-3%. Maybe people don’t actually know what’s going to happen and should stop telling everyone they know the future.

Italy is at 45%. USA is at 57%. It's definitely going to kill us all!

Oh, wait. China, where it all started and has the largest sample size, is at 5% with new cases almost non-existent (22 added yesterday compared to a total so far in excess of 80,000). What's more, as has been repeatedly told to anyone who isn't stuffing their ears with toilet roll and running around screaming, is that there are undoubtedly huge numbers of people who have it or had it and either didn't notice or were so mildly symptomatic that they never bothered reporting. Or do they not count towards mortality rates?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
Italy is at 45%. USA is at 57%. It's definitely going to kill us all!

Oh, wait. China, where it all started and has the largest sample size, is at 5% with new cases almost non-existent (22 added yesterday compared to a total so far in excess of 80,000). What's more, as has been repeatedly told to anyone who isn't stuffing their ears with toilet roll and running around screaming, is that there are undoubtedly huge numbers of people who have it or had it and either didn't notice or were so mildly symptomatic that they never bothered reporting. Or do they not count towards mortality rates?

Don’t know what those numbers are in reference to and I don’t think I indicated anywhere that it will kill us all. I’ve stated numerous times that I think if it gets bad it will be because the healthcare facilities and supplies are overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
Don’t know what those numbers are in reference to and I don’t think I indicated anywhere that it will kill us all. I’ve stated numerous times that I think if it gets bad it will be because the healthcare facilities and supplies are overwhelmed.

Deaths as a % of closed cases. I was just taking your weirdly cherrypicked statistic and showing it for other countries to demonstrate that it's a pretty useless number.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Deaths as a % of closed cases. I was just taking your weirdly cherrypicked statistic and showing it for other countries to demonstrate that it's a pretty useless number.

How is it cherrypicked? I thought that’s total deaths out of total closed cases?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
How is it cherrypicked? I thought that’s total deaths out of total closed cases?

you'll be eating cheese dust through a straw if you keep plodding along with this schtick.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:51:56 AM
How is it cherrypicked? I thought that’s total deaths out of total closed cases?

It's cherrypicked because it suits your argument that this is somehow worse than you were told previously, but it's useless because it doesn't have any of the context. In fact, the extra numbers I gave you seem to add some of that context - China is further down the road and has a lower mortality rate, the US is much earlier and has a much higher mortality rate. That would suggest that death is more likely early on, which would make sense in the context of those with underlying issues being more at risk. China's numbers are by far the most useful - their 5% mortality rate of closed reported cases will likely drop further once the ongoing cases are resolved, and then factoring in the unreported cases the original mortality predictions will be pretty much spot on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Laxin on March 13, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
Italy is at 45%. USA is at 57%. It's definitely going to kill us all!

Oh, wait. China, where it all started and has the largest sample size, is at 5% with new cases almost non-existent (22 added yesterday compared to a total so far in excess of 80,000). What's more, as has been repeatedly told to anyone who isn't stuffing their ears with toilet roll and running around screaming, is that there are undoubtedly huge numbers of people who have it or had it and either didn't notice or were so mildly symptomatic that they never bothered reporting. Or do they not count towards mortality rates?

I have two concerns about expecting China's successful response with regards to these numbers. First, can every country, especially the U.S. expect to have a similar ability to set a mandatory quarantine? Im not so sure this is enforceable, and if it isn't then the same results should not be expected. Second, is this not going to resurface in China once the quarantine is lifted and normalcy begins to reappear?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
I have two concerns about expecting China's successful response with regards to these numbers. First, can every country, especially the U.S. expect to have a similar ability to set a mandatory quarantine? Im not so sure this is enforceable, and if it isn't then the same results should not be expected. Second, is this not going to resurface in China once the quarantine is lifted and normalcy begins to reappear?


To your first point I think that it's not really comparable, because society operates so differently. We don't tend to have such close knit family units as you see in lots of Asian countries with lots of people under the same roof rapidly infecting each other, but our patterns of behaviour are different in ways that may encourage spread. I think a behavioural scientist would be able to better answer that, but we already live a pretty isolationist existence in many ways - we talk via email and phone rather than in person, we do our shopping online, we don't even get out of our cars to buy our coffee. I think that we can limit social contact pretty easily if we put our minds to it, and in many ways already have.

On the second point I honestly don't know. I haven't heard talk of it but I don't have a strong enough knowledge of the science to answer. I do however have a friend who's an immunologist with whom I'm chatting on an ongoing basis, so I'll ask the question and let you know what he says.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 13, 2020, 01:28:18 PM
They finally announced that they'll be closing my kid's school next week. Public schools still open though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
I have two concerns about expecting China's successful response with regards to these numbers. First, can every country, especially the U.S. expect to have a similar ability to set a mandatory quarantine? Im not so sure this is enforceable, and if it isn't then the same results should not be expected. Second, is this not going to resurface in China once the quarantine is lifted and normalcy begins to reappear?


Here's a transcript straight from the chat with my immunologist friend:

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JE: assuming the quarantine works and they get that down to zero, what's to stop it popping up again once the quarantine is lifted?

D: Usually person to person spread is quite lmited
so if u have few cases u won't get many more
Coronavirus is actively under surveillance
so it's pretty effective if public healht can track it
cause u just ogtta break chains
thats why canadas approach has seemed relax
because they just breaking the chains of transmission
if they get uncontrolled chains
then you change the game plan

JE: which is what you were saying about community outbreaks?
versus imported cases?

D: Ye
So with imported cases + small trackable community outbreak
you basically try to separate them from everyone else
which is basically what we've done thus far
As of the last 48 hours, what the government is signalling is either SUPER proactive preventative measures or they really do think this is spreading in the community even if they don't have the evidence for it now
So we have 800? Public health agent/people in ontario
Their job will have to shift
we'll start caring less and less about contact tracing and finding out exactly who got it from who and isolating them
and try isolating as much of the population as possible
social distancing etc
because at that point you might as well use the 800 people or whatever ot do other more high-demand things
This is the stage the us is in
but they don't know it for sure yet
This is the stage that we are on the  brink of
thanks to our good old fuckfaced friends the us
(It's probably not fair to place that much blame on them but I 100% do and I've been saying this for weeks)
italy is in that stage too
but they know it
looks like good chunks of europe believe they are on the brink of it as well too

mechanistically, it's relatively easy because we know the target to attack. In practice, we'll see if it's actually a hittable target
the first like 5 years of drug development is that first part
the second 5 years is the second part
but we've already done the first five years
and like a bajillion labs are working on this

We havea new postdoc from NYC
he has a colleague who was chinese and they have chinese gradsstudent/technician friends
apparently theyve been working like 20 hours days nonstop since end of december
doing tests, helping with lab stuff, doing coronavirus research etc
like they are going to burn out like cray
and im not exaggerating the 20 hour days

So I'm not sure if that helps you at all, but it's interesting to hear from someone who knows what he's talking about rather than trying to extrapolate from the media.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1238566837262209026?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2020, 04:44:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1238566837262209026?s=19

The Buck Stops... I Don't Know... Tony?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 04:50:23 PM
The Buck Stops... I Don't Know... Tony?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtVteemLin4
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
On a serious note are there any countries who actually have dealt well with it? I know some are sitting pretty and dumb luck is a huge factor simply because they don't have an outbreak. But it doesn't seem like as easily solvable as people think
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 05:46:16 PM
On a serious note are there any countries who actually have dealt well with it? I know some are sitting pretty and dumb luck is a huge factor simply because they don't have an outbreak. But it doesn't seem like as easily solvable as people think

Hi
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 13, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
On a serious note are there any countries who actually have dealt well with it? I know some are sitting pretty and dumb luck is a huge factor simply because they don't have an outbreak. But it doesn't seem like as easily solvable as people think

Chinese Taipei
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 06:03:31 PM
Hi

Did Canada react particularly well? Or do they just have a really good infrastructure in place for handling medical issues. And haven't had to deal with an outbreak?

I mean it's much easier to be successful combating something thats not particularly effecting you

(and I genuinely don't know anything about the situation in Canada that's why I'm asking and not assuming)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
Did Canada react particularly well? Or do they just have a really good infrastructure in place for handling medical issues. And haven't had to deal with an outbreak?

I mean it's much easier to be successful combating something thats not particularly effecting you

(and I genuinely don't know anything about the situation in Canada that's why I'm asking and not assuming)
We got hit hard by SARS in 02/03. As a result, we have protocols in place and didn't freak around implementing them. We have a big Chinese population here, the news about Wuhan started to come out while I was on vacation in mid January and by the time I landed a few days later there were signs all over Immigration saying "Have you arrived from or been to Wuhan in the last four weeks? If so follow these signs." We've been on top of this excrement from the beginning.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2020, 07:08:08 PM
Antarctica came out of this squeaky clean
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
Antarctica came out of this squeaky clean

No they've been hit harder than anywhere.

https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram (https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2020, 08:16:06 PM
No they've been hit harder than anywhere.

https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram (https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram)
..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200314/7639498063c00b034c5eadf3a9fabd52.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2020, 08:36:47 PM
Went to Target to buy necessities...mainly The Show 20...and I saw some very strange behavior.

It wasn't the meth head (common in Austin) borderline sprinting around carrying two industrial sized containers of dish detergent

It was the grandma in line ahead of me buying over a dozen sugar free Monsters, a Truly, and a spray can of bleach.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 10:47:10 PM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.

Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 AM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.

Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
Speak for yourself. Whole milk gang nibbas bring the heat
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
https://twitter.com/simpsonsqotd/status/1238795839373533185?s=21

Re: people and toilet paper
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 07:44:22 AM
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On February 20, 2020, a patient in his 30s admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) in Codogno Hospital (Lodi, Lombardy, Italy) tested positive for a new coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). He had a history of atypical pneumonia that was not responding to treatment, but he was not considered at risk for COVID-19 infection.1 The positive result was immediately reported to the Lombardy health care system and governmental offices. During the next 24 hours, the number of reported positive cases increased to 36. This situation was considered a serious development for several reasons: the patient (“patient 1”) was healthy and young; in less than 24 hours, 36 additional cases were identified, without links to patient 1 or previously identified positive cases already in the country; it was not possible to identify with certainty the source of transmission to patient 1 at the time; and, because patient 1 was in the ICU and there were already 36 cases by day 2, chances were that a cluster of unknown magnitude was present and additional spread was likely.

On February 21, an emergency task force was formed by the Government of Lombardy and local health authorities to lead the response to the outbreak. This Viewpoint provides a summary of the response of the COVID-19 Lombardy ICU network and a forecast of estimated ICU demand over the coming weeks (projected to March 20, 2020).

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In Lombardy, the precrisis total ICU capacity was approximately 720 beds (2.9% of total hospital beds at a total of 74 hospitals); these ICUs usually have 85% to 90% occupancy during the winter months.

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There was an immediate sharp increase in ICU admissions from day 1 to day 14. The increase was steady and consistent. Publicly available data indicate that ICU admissions (n = 556) represented 16% of all patients (n = 3420) who tested positive for COVID-19. As of March 7, the current total number of patients with COVID-19 occupying an ICU bed (n = 359) represents 16% of currently hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (n = 2217). All patients who appeared to have severe illness were admitted for hypoxic respiratory failure to the COVID-19 dedicated ICUs.

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Forecasting ICU Demand Over the Next 2 Weeks
During the first 3 days of the outbreak, starting from February 22, the ICU admissions were 11, 15, and 20 in the COVID-19 Lombardy ICU Network. ICU admissions have increased continuously and exponentially over the first 2 weeks. Based on data to March 7, when 556 COVID-19–positive ICU patients had been admitted to hospitals over the previous 15 days, linear and exponential models were created to estimate further ICU demand (eFigure in the Supplement).

The linear model forecasts that approximately 869 ICU admissions could occur by March 20, 2020, whereas the exponential model growth projects that approximately 14 542 ICU admissions could occur by then. Even though these projections are hypothetical and involve various assumptions, any substantial increase in the number of critically ill patients would rapidly exceed total ICU capacity, without even considering other critical admissions, such as for trauma, stroke, and other emergencies.

In practice, the health care system cannot sustain an uncontrolled outbreak, and stronger containment measures are now the only realistic option to avoid the total collapse of the ICU system. For this reason, over the last 2 weeks, clinicians have continuously advised authorities to augment the containment measures.

To our knowledge, this is the first report of the consequences of the COVID-19 outbreak on critical care capacity outside China. Despite prompt response of the local and regional ICU network, health authorities, and the government to try to contain the initial cluster, the surge in patients requiring ICU admission has been overwhelming. The proportion of ICU admissions represents 12% of the total positive cases, and 16% of all hospitalized patients. This rate is higher than what was reported from China, where only 5% of patients who tested positive for COVID-19 required ICU admission.2,4 There could be different explanations. It is possible that criteria for ICU admission were different between the countries, but this seems unlikely. Another explanation is that the Italian population is different from the Chinese population, with predisposing factors such as race, age, and comorbidities.5

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 09:39:05 AM
Here, some good news for you:

https://nowthisnews.com/news/70-coronavirus-patients-in-china-have-recovered
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 10:05:07 AM
Are those results reported by China or the WHO?  I hope it isn't China trying to polish a turd to get their economy going again. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
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US Surgeon General advises hospitals to cancel elective surgeries

He warned that every elective surgery could spread coronavirus within the facility, use up protective medical gear as public officials worry about shortages and burden a hospital workforce who "may be needed" to respond to COVID-19.

No brainer.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
Here, some good news for you:

https://nowthisnews.com/news/70-coronavirus-patients-in-china-have-recovered

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Despite the virus’ high recovery rate, several Hong Kong doctors are claiming that some  recovered COVID-19 patients have reduced lung function.

Hooray!
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
No brainer.
Dammit, gotta cancel my penis reduction.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
Hooray!

You know what else reduces lung function? Smoking and pollution. I don't see people cowering in their homes and stockpiling toilet paper because of either of those things.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2020, 10:40:23 AM
You know what else reduces lung function? Smoking and pollution. I don't see people cowering in their homes and stockpiling toilet paper because of either of those things.

Doesn't address Bo's self admittedly tiny Asian penis.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Doesn't address Bo's self admittedly tiny Asian penis.
Hey freak you man.  My penis isn't asian.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
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To everyone in NYC but ESPECIALLY healthy people & people under 40 (bc from what I’m observing that’s who needs to hear this again):

PLEASE stop crowding bars, restaurants, and public spaces right now. Eat your meals at home.

If you are healthy, you could be spreading COVID.


What does “crowded” mean?

If you can’t stay 6ft away from other people, it’s too close. In general, when going outside try to stay at least 6 feet away from others as much as you possibly can.


-AOC

I almost never agree with her but this is a good tweet. I have seen way too much bullshit from millennials not concerned because “I’ll be fine if I get the virus l, I’m young and healthy”.

My 20 something cousin is in Boston right now, one of the locations with the most rapidly growing amount of cases, out celebrating St Patrick’s Day. She’ll then presumably return to NC. That’s how this thing spreads.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 12:26:20 PM
-AOC

I almost never agree with her but this is a good tweet. I have seen way too much bullshit from millennials not concerned because “I’ll be fine if I get the virus l, I’m young and healthy”.

My 20 something cousin is in Boston right now, one of the locations with the most rapidly growing amount of cases, out celebrating St Patrick’s Day. She’ll then presumably return to NC. That’s how this thing spreads.

Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.

If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 12:38:11 PM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.

If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.

We’re talking about America here

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.

Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
Speak for yourself. Whole milk gang nibbas bring the heat
Skim milk is even gayer than soy milk
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
My job approved my telework request since my daughter's school is closed next week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/drinking-bleach-will-not-prevent-coronavirus-virginia-poison-control-center-warns/

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/drinking-bleach-will-not-prevent-coronavirus-virginia-poison-control-center-warns/



Well. Clearly it will, or at least render the virus of little consequence to the drinker, and make it highly unlikely that they would pass it on to anyone else.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/drinking-bleach-will-not-prevent-coronavirus-virginia-poison-control-center-warns/



It will have the effect of proving Darwin correct.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.

If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.

To be fair if people don't observe this and excrement goes the Italy route then far more businesses will go order.

If 2 to 4 weeks of doom is going to put you under, odds are you were going under anyway
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 04:18:50 PM
To be fair if people don't observe this and excrement goes the Italy route then far more businesses will go order.

If 2 to 4 weeks of doom is going to put you under, odds are you were going under anyway

Again, there's no reason that going to bars and restaurants while exercising sensible precautions is going to cause the US to go the way of Italy. The Italians were caught completely flatfooted and have a very old population.

As to your second point, I'm not sure you realise what a hand to mouth existence (no pun intended) many service businesses like restaurants live. For many of them they're coming to the end of the slowest season and their resources are probably at their lowest - a month without custom can easily put them under and that's not because they're badly run.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 04:19:50 PM
If 2 to 4 weeks of doom is going to put you under, odds are you were going under anyway

You are vastly underestimating how many small business owners are two to four days of doom from going under. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
You are vastly underestimating how many small business owners are two to four days of doom from going under. 

Not at all

I realize there's a ton of them

And odds are the majority were  going to go under anyway

Regardless staying open during the apocalypse I don't you'll get many people coming in to buy whatever it is you're selling. The innovators are innovating (ie door to door food delivery) and the rest will perish.

Their best bet is to hope some kind of government bailout saves them and that this whole thing comes to a swift conclusion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 04:45:41 PM
Again, there's no reason that going to bars and restaurants while exercising sensible precautions is going to cause the US to go the way of Italy. The Italians were caught completely flatfooted and have a very old population.

As to your second point, I'm not sure you realise what a hand to mouth existence (no pun intended) many service businesses like restaurants live. For many of them they're coming to the end of the slowest season and their resources are probably at their lowest - a month without custom can easily put them under and that's not because they're badly run.

The disease is insanely contagious and the only places that have had legit outbreaks that were quashed basically declared a state of law. Considering how badly the US dropped the ball on testing preparedness and diagnosis nobody even has a realistic idea of how many people have the disease.

If the US had done excrement fairly competently maybe you'd have a point. But as is essentially nobody has been tested and it's a crap shot. A week ago I agreed with you 100% on this. Now I'm thinking that while the United States is playing catchup on what it should have done a month or two ago, they need to start coming up with a contingency plan if that fails. And to me that means at least coming up with a fleshed out plan of Marshall law to keep in their back pocket.

And just for perspective the surgeons general reccomended that all elective surgeries in the country be canceled. If it's too dangerous a climate to do heart surgery or whatever people need, then you think maybe it might be a little risky to have people bar crawling and what not?

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a flu
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:08:07 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a flu

It's a difficult balance, I think, between the fact that a massive and abrupt economic failure will kill far more people than the virus, and just going full Thanos with it. But in principle I agree with you.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Patronized two businesses during my lunch break today. I was the only person in either one besides staff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 05:09:00 PM
It's a difficult balance, I think, between the fact that a massive and abrupt economic failure will kill far more people than the virus, and just going full Thanos with it. But in principle I agree with you.
I think we have the same stance. Take precautions yes, but to basically halt all industry is going to be ridiculous
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
The disease is insanely contagious and the only places that have had legit outbreaks that were quashed basically declared a state of law. Considering how badly the US dropped the ball on testing preparedness and diagnosis nobody even has a realistic idea of how many people have the disease.

If the US had done excrement fairly competently maybe you'd have a point. But as is essentially nobody has been tested and it's a crap shot. A week ago I agreed with you 100% on this. Now I'm thinking that while the United States is playing catchup on what it should have done a month or two ago, they need to start coming up with a contingency plan if that fails. And to me that means at least coming up with a fleshed out plan of Marshall law to keep in their back pocket.

And just for perspective the surgeons general reccomended that all elective surgeries in the country be canceled. If it's too dangerous a climate to do heart surgery or whatever people need, then you think maybe it might be a little risky to have people bar crawling and what not?



I think people are too hung up on testing. Testing is useful at the start when you're isolating chains and attempting to stop propagation, and it's useful for medical facilities to ensure that they know where it is in their building so that it's not being passed on to the many vulnerable people under their care for other things, but beyond that there's no real reason for you or I to be tested. If you're feeling sick, stay home and don't have contact with people for a couple of weeks. If you're not feeling sick, assume that the last person or thing you touched had it and wash it off before you touch another person or thing. And get on with your life.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:14:31 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a flu
IF AUNTIE ANNE'S SELLS ONE LESS PRETZEL BECAUSE OF THIS THEN THE TERRORISTS WIN
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
I think we have the same stance. Take precautions yes, but to basically halt all industry is going to be ridiculous

Yes, I think so. Terrifying amounts of the population are one missed paycheck away from being on the street, allowing this to create a huge economic crash would have an impact lasting generations. There are much bigger questions and issues to be addressed about how fucked up society is to allow the imbalance, but they're for after this is over.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 14, 2020, 05:17:31 PM
IF AUNTIE ANNE'S SELLS ONE LESS PRETZEL BECAUSE OF THIS THEN THE TERRORISTS WIN

this but unironically
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:18:15 PM


Yes, I think so. Terrifying amounts of the population are one missed paycheck away from being on the street, allowing this to create a huge economic crash would have an impact lasting generations. There are much bigger questions and issues to be addressed about how fucked up society is to allow the imbalance, but they're for after this is over.

No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
this but unironically

freak pretzels anyway, stupid pointless salty bread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:18:29 PM

No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.

By killing people?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:19:39 PM
By killing people?
That's what not addressing it does.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
Yes because a global economic meltdown is better than a few days with a fever and a cough
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:21:18 PM
That's what not addressing it does.

OK, I'm interested in hearing your plan for this. Because if it's genuinely viable, I'm 100% in support of it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 05:21:43 PM
Can’t wait for the lockdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
OK, I'm interested in hearing your plan for this. Because if it's genuinely viable, I'm 100% in support of it.
Moratorium on mortgages, rent, evictions and property taxes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:29:44 PM
Moratorium on mortgages, rent, evictions and property taxes.

I'm down with that in principle. Doesn't fix all the problems and create some new ones, although not as significant, but I agree it's a good start.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:30:19 PM
Yes, I think so. Terrifying amounts of the population are one missed paycheck away from being on the street, allowing this to create a huge economic crash would have an impact lasting generations. There are much bigger questions and issues to be addressed about how fucked up society is to allow the imbalance, but they're for after this is over.

It sounds like the govt is going to address this one some level. How successful is TBD
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Yes because a global economic meltdown is better than a few days with a fever and a cough

The impression I've gotten. Is more people are going to die from the strain on healthcare resources than the actual disease. If the reports from China (that I don't believe) about it destroying your lungs long term are true that's one thing.

But even if this was purely just a more contagious version of the flu and nothing more, healthcare facilities just aren't equip to handle it.

People I know at major hospitals all across the country are already out of essential Healthcare supplies, and this excrement hasn't even freaking started yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:36:26 PM

No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.

If you wanted to say right after this is over is the perfect time to address it, I wouldn't say that's unreasonable. But right now is the absolutely most freaking idiotic time to address wealth distribution inequality etc.

The goal for now should purely be how to keep people from dying, and get this excrement to blow over
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:40:10 PM
If you wanted to say right after this is over is the perfect time to address it, I wouldn't say that's unreasonable. But right now is the absolutely most freaking idiotic time to address wealth distribution inequality etc.

The goal for now should purely be how to keep people from dying, and get this excrement to blow over

I agree with you, but Badger has some good points around protecting people's living status.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:42:05 PM
I agree with you, but Badger has some good points around protecting people's living status.

Those aren't to "address inequality"

Those are to stop people from going to work sick exacerbating the situation.

Yes it benefits low income/poor people the most. But it's a very short term bandaid to maintain order and the public health during one of the biggest global crisis of the modern era
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 06:07:51 PM

No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.

DON'T POLITICIZE TRAGEDY #thoughtsandprayers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 06:24:18 PM
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BREAKING: Teaneck, NJ mayor urges ALL residents to self-quarantine as town deals with #coronavirus cluster - WINS

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 06:27:17 PM
The impression I've gotten. Is more people are going to die from the strain on healthcare resources than the actual disease. If the reports from China (that I don't believe) about it destroying your lungs long term are true that's one thing.

But even if this was purely just a more contagious version of the flu and nothing more, healthcare facilities just aren't equip to handle it.

People I know at major hospitals all across the country are already out of essential Healthcare supplies, and this excrement hasn't even freaking started yet.

Nobody knows the long term effects of this yet so people calling this “just the flu” are complete freaking morons
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2020, 06:43:37 PM
Nobody knows the long term effects of this yet so people calling this “just the flu” are complete freaking morons
This.

I risked it by going to a concert the last 3 days. I washed my hands and sanitized as much as possible, but it's certainly possible I picked it up.

Part of my thinking was that I would probably be holed up at home after this anyway. Work is letting us work from home. After observing other people this week in Las Vegas, I definitely don't trust other people to be smart about this (though a lot of people were trying to be smart).
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 06:51:56 PM
Nobody knows the long term effects of this yet so people calling this “just the flu” are complete freaking morons

Way, way more dangerous and deadly illnesses have swept the US and the world before and you never gave a excrement. Now you're panicking about this one? Why?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a flu

influenza, 'the flu' is a virus that can potentially cause a LRTI

coronavirus is a virus that can potentially cause a LRTI

coronavirus is not 'a flu'
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
you guys are getting way too hung up on the number of deaths. it's not the singular endpoint that should be taken into account with regards to prep or response

if the symptoms, complications, severity, and morbidity of the coronavirus is enough that it can cause entire healthcare systems to crash, maxing out ICUs and taxing medical personnel and supplies to oblivion, then it is something that has to be taken extremely seriously, and all precautions necessary should be taken to prevent it from getting to that level.

you guys are getting way too hung up on 'but how many people have died?'/'more people die from the flu and we don't freak out!'
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
Can we all just agree that Puck should be quarantined from the tailgate?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:44:49 PM
a lot is being brought up about the lack of testing and it sucks that we don't have access to quicker methods of testing yet, but it's not going to have a big effect on the approach to treatment until a more convenient/faster test is available here

patients are going to be risk stratified based on symptoms/conditions into lower/higher risk groups and we'll run the usual sets of tests that we DO have available right now (such as rapid flus, respiratory virus panels that include testing for a large number of viruses, including coronavirus strains that are NOT covid), and if there's a positive, then there's a safe assumption that that person's symptoms are secondary to a virus that's not covid. the current sendout test for covid takes about 3 days to get back. if the prelim testing is negative, and the other symptoms and findings fit, especially if they have bilateral GGOs on chest imaging, then they'll be treated as a 'covid' patient, even if the actual diagnosis ins't 'confirmed' yet. this is how pennsylvania seems to be approaching it at the least, and i imagine most other centers will have some sort of set up that runs along those lines until more tests, faster tests are available
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 08:47:46 PM
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France

More than half of the 300 people in intensive care units in France with the new virus are under 60.

The head of the national health agency, Jerome Salomon, announced the statistic Saturday night as France saw another jump in new virus cases.

France now has confirmed 4,500 cases since January. To stem the spread, the French prime minister ordered all restaurants, cinemas and nonessential stores closed starting Sunday, a dramatic move for a country whose economy depends heavily on its global reputation for cuisine, culture and fashion.


Italy, Spain, France.

This is a trend. It is not a good trend.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 08:54:58 PM
a lot is being brought up about the lack of testing and it sucks that we don't have access to quicker methods of testing yet, but it's not going to have a big effect on the approach to treatment until a more convenient/faster test is available here

patients are going to be risk stratified based on symptoms/conditions into lower/higher risk groups and we'll run the usual sets of tests that we DO have available right now (such as rapid flus, respiratory virus panels that include testing for a large number of viruses, including coronavirus strains that are NOT covid), and if there's a positive, then there's a safe assumption that that person's symptoms are secondary to a virus that's not covid. the current sendout test for covid takes about 3 days to get back. if the prelim testing is negative, and the other symptoms and findings fit, especially if they have bilateral GGOs on chest imaging, then they'll be treated as a 'covid' patient, even if the actual diagnosis ins't 'confirmed' yet. this is how pennsylvania seems to be approaching it at the least, and i imagine most other centers will have some sort of set up that runs along those lines until more tests, faster tests are available

This matches with what I’ve been hearding. 3 days for test results is unacceptable
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 09:01:07 PM
Way, way more dangerous and deadly illnesses have swept the US and the world before and you never gave a excrement. Now you're panicking about this one? Why?

My wife falls into 2 of the health high risk category factors and also has a history of respiratory illness
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 09:50:37 PM
Accurate state of people in America right now:
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1238951523201228801?s=21

Comparing us to China is outrageous
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 10:02:00 PM
Accurate state of people in America right now:
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1238951523201228801?s=21

Comparing us to China is outrageous

That dude is the freaking worst.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 10:05:07 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/y7qp0eff7qm41.jpg?width=960&height=973&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c3d57da3b4d05ecb42511ae8c3cc5fca5692f4ce)

I wasn't worried before, but the prospect of a baseball bat shoved up my derriere might be a game changer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 10:08:03 PM
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Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in cases of COVID-19. National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before. A little more than half of those new cases occurred in Lombardy, the populous northern region which has been hardest hit in Europe’s worst outbreak. Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157.

The death toll rose by 175. A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north. They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools.

If you don’t think this is an eventually possibility in the US at some point, idk what to tell you. This is currently happening elsewhere. This is in a country under complete lockdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 10:18:16 PM
the potential strain on healthcare resources has to be emphasized. it's not just the covid cases; if we're pushed to the brink, ALL patients at these institutions suffer. the winter time is usually the busiest times for hospitals already, and is the likeliest time that ICUs would already be close to capacity, not factoring in a pandemic
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/y7qp0eff7qm41.jpg?width=960&height=973&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c3d57da3b4d05ecb42511ae8c3cc5fca5692f4ce)

I wasn't worried before, but the prospect of a baseball bat shoved up my derriere might be a game changer.

That's only 4% though, more worrisome is the 68% chance of getting fisted by a black man or the 14% chance of getting eaten by jaws.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 10:40:19 PM
the potential strain on healthcare resources has to be emphasized. it's not just the covid cases; if we're pushed to the brink, ALL patients at these institutions suffer. the winter time is usually the busiest times for hospitals already, and is the likeliest time that ICUs would already be close to capacity, not factoring in a pandemic

The fact that almost elective surgeries across the entire country are getting canceled is going to bog up the Healthcare system for months once this over. Depending on how long this thing goes, healthcare resources could be pretty fucked for a long time
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 10:48:01 PM
The fact that almost elective surgeries across the entire country are getting canceled is going to bog up the Healthcare system for months once this over. Depending on how long this thing goes, healthcare resources could be pretty fucked for a long time

the reason why elective surgeries are elective is that these procedures can be done on a non-urgent basis and patients are relatively healthy otherwise. you brought up cardiac surgeries before but those are usually urgent/emergent; it's their job but cardiothoracic surgeons won't crack open a patient's chest unless they absolutely have to. elective surgeries should and will be pushed back pretty easily if there is a lack of time/resources down the line. any necessary/emergent surgeries will still be taken care of by trauma or acute care surgery throughout this entire time.

i don't think the backlog of elective procedures that's going to result from all of this is something to get too worried about
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
Really cool situations at DFW and O'Hare right now...

5 hour long waits at baggage claims and customs

Shoulder to shoulder crowds just marinating in coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
the reason why elective surgeries are elective is that these procedures can be done on a non-urgent basis and patients are relatively healthy otherwise. you brought up cardiac surgeries before but those are usually urgent/emergent; it's their job but cardiothoracic surgeons won't crack open a patient's chest unless they absolutely have to. elective surgeries should and will be pushed back pretty easily if there is a lack of time/resources down the line. any necessary/emergent surgeries will still be taken care of by trauma or acute care surgery throughout this entire time.

i don't think the backlog of elective procedures that's going to result from all of this is something to get too worried about

I managed an OR for years, I work in cardiac surgery now.

Yes elective surgerys are elective and most are (fairly) healthy. But many of these problems exacerbate or spread. Urology and gynecological procedures are extremely common elective, and many deal with cancer. Sure you can put it off, increasing the risk of metastatis. With orthopedics you have the risk of patients being imobile making injuries harder to recover from (many are older) increasing the risk of dvts embolism etc.

Hernias strangulate and become emergencies.

As for cardiac. The overwhelming majority are elective. I work at a major level 1 trauma center and they're going to be canceling the majority of its cardiac surgeries.

It's a much bigger deal than you think
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 15, 2020, 12:13:52 AM
I managed an OR for years, I work in cardiac surgery now.

Yes elective surgerys are elective and most are (fairly) healthy. But many of these problems exacerbate or spread. Urology and gynecological procedures are extremely common elective, and many deal with cancer. Sure you can put it off, increasing the risk of metastatis. With orthopedics you have the risk of patients being imobile making injuries harder to recover from (many are older) increasing the risk of dvts embolism etc.

Hernias strangulate and become emergencies.

As for cardiac. The overwhelming majority are elective. I work at a major level 1 trauma center and they're going to be canceling the majority of its cardiac surgeries.

It's a much bigger deal than you think

thanks for the info

i can see the toll of having to push back some elective surgeries such as the uro/gyn procedures you mentioned but it seems that toll would be more so on the patient having to delay it and the consequences associated with that, unfortunately. i don't think a backlog of these sorts of procedures will 'spend' our healthcare resources the way the pandemic will be doing right now. if anything, having a lack of available personnel/surgeons/supplies will be entirely dependent on what the state of the pandemic is within the US. once we reach a point where elective surgeries can start again, we should be at a pretty stable point with regards to availability of personnel and supplies. sure, the OR will have a long backlog of procedures to try and get through, but i don't think it'll have the potential to break the health infrastructure of america the way the pandemic will.

regarding ortho, i guess it depends on what type of surgery you're talking about and what the institution deems as 'elective' vs urgent/emergent, but at my institution any hip fracture is of course an obvious admission and there's a pretty aggressive algorithm that's followed to get those patients to surgery within 48 hours, as the data overwhelmingly shows that geriatric patients do better when that occurs. i haven't heard of any plans of that being halted for now, and i don't imagine those will be

if a hernia strangulates and becomes an emergency, a hernia repair is no longer 'elective', and they'd be going to the OR with trauma/ACS immediately. coronavirus will not be changing that

the delay/backlog of OR procedures will of course be a bitch, but once the situation is stable enough for the ORs to start going again for elective procedures, i don't see it having the potential of breaking the system to the point that we're practicing catastrophic medicine the way the coronavirus does. i think the biggest thing that'll be affected is the actual timing of when the ORs would actually be able to start going again. in italy it's gotten so bad in some places that radiologists and pathologists, i.e non-direct care doctors, have had to be called in to do excrement they've never done before like manage vents. if surgeons have to be called in because they're the only ones left to manage some of these coronavirus patients medically, that'll be the biggest hindrance to the ORs starting back up, namely in that it's directly causing the lack of healthy/available surgical personnel.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 06:06:07 AM
That's only 4% though, more worrisome is the 68% chance of getting fisted by a black man or the 14% chance of getting eaten by jaws.
You'll be happy to know you have a 5% chance of sucking a dick.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:03:10 AM
Hoboken, New Jersey announces daily 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew in effort to stop coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:33:18 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-cautionary-tale-italy-dont-do-what-we-did/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

A coronavirus cautionary tale from Italy: Don’t do what we did
Many of us were too selfish to follow suggestions to change our behavior. Now we’re in lockdown and people are needlessly dying.

ROME – “As in any war, we have to choose who to treat and who not.”

That was a headline on March 9 in Il Corriere della Sera, a leading newspaper in Italy, that informed us that hospitals in Italy’s north, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in our country, were being stretched thin and the health care system was on the brink of collapse.

An anesthesiologist at a hospital in Bergamo, one of the cities with the most cases of Covid-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, told the paper that the intensive care unit was already at capacity, and doctors were being forced to start making difficult triage decisions, admitting people who desperately need mechanical ventilation based on age, life expectancy, and other factors. Just like in wartime. The article was inexplicably placed on page 15, while the main headline on the newspaper’s front page relayed the political quarrels over the measures to curb the contagion.

The hospital in Bergamo was not the only hospital in the area dealing with a lack of capacity and rationing of care. The same day, I heard from a manager in the Lombardy health care system, among the most advanced and well-funded in Europe, that he saw anesthesiologists weeping in the hospital hallways because of the choices they are going to have to make.

In the days since, overwhelmed hospitals have set up tents as makeshift hospital wards, and cargo containers have been placed at the entrances of medical centers to sort out patients coming at an increasing pace. Some of the people who can’t get medical care are dying in their homes.

As more medical professionals started to describe similar situations on social media and in interviews, the Italian society of anesthesiologists published extraordinary new guidelines to help doctors facing ethical dilemmas, making clear that the “first come, first served” criterion that had been used among patients with the same illnesses and level of risk in ordinary times was not appropriate in dealing with the current emergency.

Until last week, the Italian public health care system had the capacity to care for everyone. Our country has universal health care, so patients aren’t turned away from hospitals here. But in a matter of days, the system was being felled by a virus that I, and many other Italians, had failed to take seriously.

The inability of the medical system to deal with the flow of patients in critical condition is not one of the problems of this complex medical emergency. It is the problem. I shouldn’t have been surprised. As a journalist, I had read, heard, and spoken to several experts explaining that the most immediate threat of Covid-19 was the hospital system becoming overwhelmed, and therefore the most pressing need was to avoid too many people getting sick at the same time, as resources are limited. (It’s what’s called “flattening the curve.”)

But that information was somehow stored in some remote interstice of my mind, covered by an incessant flow of bits and charts on the mortality rate of the elderly, political mismanagement, quarrels over under-testing and over-testing, market collapses, projections on the economic impact of the epidemic, and so on. All of this is, of course, extremely relevant — but at the same time feels totally irrelevant when lives are being lost in a situation that was preventable. As of Friday night, 1,266 people have died in Italy due to the outbreak.

So here’s my warning for the United States: It didn’t have to come to this.

We of course couldn’t stop the emergence of a previously unknown and deadly virus. But we could have mitigated the situation we are now in, in which people who could have been saved are dying. I, and too many others, could have taken a simple yet morally loaded action: We could have stayed home.

What has happened in Italy shows that less-than-urgent appeals to the public by the government to slightly change habits regarding social interactions aren’t enough when the terrible outcomes they are designed to prevent are not yet apparent; when they become evident, it’s generally too late to act. I and many other Italians just didn’t see the need to change our routines for a threat we could not see.

Italy has now been in lockdown since March 9; it took weeks after the virus first appeared here to realize that severe measures were absolutely necessary.

According to several data scientists, Italy is about 10 days ahead of Spain, Germany, and France in the epidemic progression, and 13 to 16 days ahead of the United Kingdom and the United States. That means those countries have the opportunity to take measures that today may look excessive and disproportionate, yet from the future, where I am now, are perfectly rational in order to avoid a health care system collapse. The United States has some 45,000 ICU beds, and even in a moderate outbreak scenario, some 200,000 Americans will need intensive care.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 15, 2020, 07:34:52 AM
CoronaVirus only affects you if you’re a bitch
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:37:13 AM
CoronaVirus only affects you if you’re a bitch

We’ll always remember you
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:46:34 AM
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Doctors in China have performed the world’s first double-lung transplant on a 59-year-old coronavirus patient, according to a report.

Dr. Chen Jingyu, vice president of the Wuxi People’s Hospital in Jiangsu province, and his team performed the five-hour operation on a man who was diagnosed with COVID-19 on Jan. 26, the Global Times reported.

It took seven hours to transport the lungs from a brain-dead donor to the hospital aboard a high-speed train, the news outlet reported.

The lungs have been working well since the Saturday surgery and the patient’s vital signs were stable, Chen told the Global Times.

The man eventually tested negative for the disease, but had suffered irreversible pulmonary damage during his illness.

“The next step is to closely observe the patient, explore the perioperative management of the patient, perform anti-rejection and anti-infection follow-up treatment, and summarize the treatment experience for such advanced COVID-19 infection cases,” Chen told the outlet.

Lol only bitches need functioning lungs lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 07:56:38 AM
Lol only bitches need functioning lungs lol

That patient was on ECMO. If that becomes common thing for Coronavirus the worlds in for a world of hurt. But I imagine those were extraordinarly rare circumstances
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: insanity on March 15, 2020, 08:04:15 AM
Did Canada react particularly well? Or do they just have a really good infrastructure in place for handling medical issues.
Wait, I thought they have terrible medical care that results in waiting months for care?  Now all of a sudden they have really good infrastructure?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:13:42 AM
Really cool situations at DFW and O'Hare right now...

5 hour long waits at baggage claims and customs

Shoulder to shoulder crowds just marinating in coronavirus

I got the rona just looking at those pictures...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:16:35 AM
Why are people capitalizing the v in coronavirus? 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:18:38 AM
Why are people capitalizing the v in coronavirus? 

Put some Respek on his name
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:18:47 AM
That patient was on ECMO. If that becomes common thing for Coronavirus the worlds in for a world of hurt. But I imagine those were extraordinarly rare circumstances
I was on ECMO once.  Got me high as excrement.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Put some Respek on his name
CoRonavirUs
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:21:01 AM
We should be able to rename this to something better sounding.  If I'm gonna die from a virus, I'd like people to know Bo went down to the sweettittyvirus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:25:32 AM
https://medium.com/@donnellymjd/covid-19-new-york-will-be-the-next-italy-but-doesnt-have-to-be-54a5c8137d42

Analysis strongly suggests that the NYC metro area has 5–10 days to quarantine the city or face dramatically overwhelmed hospitals, extremely high death rates, and a ruined economy.

The outlook for NYC and COVID-19 is bleak. The policy response is far too slow and too weak to meet the needs of the moment.

Graph in the link here predicts NYC could run out of hospital beds by the end of March in a worst case scenario


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The NYC region has between 1,200 and 3,000 open hospital beds.

This seems like not enough

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The Obvious Choice

NYC must implement more severe social distancing measures and potentially fully shut down no later than a week from now in order to avoid overwhelming its hospital system.
Think about the choices here:

The Status Quo: The governor and the mayor continue to allow the virus to spread at schools, subways, restaurants, cafes, and workplaces. This is the exact same approach Italy took at the beginning of its outbreak. Seriously take a look at this article from two and a half weeks ago when Italy only had 160 cases (vs NYC’s 500+).
“Strict emergency measures were put in place over the weekend, including a ban on public events in at least 10 municipalities, after a spike in confirmed cases in the northern regions of Lombardy and Veneto.
Italy’s Health Minister Roberto Speranza announced severe restrictions in the affected regions, which included the closure of public buildings, limited transport, and the surveillance and quarantine of individuals who may have been exposed to the virus.
“We are asking basically that everyone who has come from areas stricken by the epidemic to remain under a mandatory house stay,” Speranza said at a Saturday press conference.” — CNN, Feb 24 2020
Sound familiar? It’s the exact same thing New York is trying now. It won’t work here either.
After that fails here too, we will wind up with the Italian situation. Overflowing hospitals. Demand at two, three, five times the capacity of the hospitals’ ability to deliver care. What’s worse is that their capacity will decline as cases overflow. Their doctors and nurses will be exposed and have to be quarantined, reducing an already strained workforce. Soon after, chaos in the hospitals will lead to fear in the whole city. You will see reports of people dying in their apartments because there isn’t capacity for them in hospitals. This fear alone will shut down the city. The economy will be ruined and tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of New Yorkers will die this year. This could all start at the beginning of April, if we don’t act within the next 5–10 days.

The Better Alternative: Shut down the city this week. Close everything but grocery stores, banks, and pharmacies. Convert schools into food distribution centers. Bring in the National Guard to provide essential services like food and augment police and emergency services. Issue checks to all New Yorkers for the length of the quarantine for at least $500 per person per month. Limit travel outside of the region. Slow the growth of the virus to a crawl immediately.
We know quarantines work. It did in Italy and Wuhan. It looks like France and Spain are convinced it will work too. The economy will be wrecked, but depending on when you do it, you might keep deaths in NYC under 5,000. Many times fewer deaths than the status quo approach. And, it will cost less. The economy will rebound more quickly and trust will be maintained in the ability of the government to protect the public.
This is an easy decision. We need Gov. Andrew Cuomo to take action now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:30:31 AM
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@NYGovCuomo: What we do next will have a massive impact on the trajectory of this virus in New York.
 
We can only maintain public health by STAYING APART.

The decision each of makes now will impact us all tomorrow. STAY HOME.

Listen to this dumbass
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:56:20 AM
My hands hurt from washing them so much.  My daughter caught a stomach bug at daycare last week, so I'm washing my hands every 3 seconds.  Seeing that I'm a Vet and all that entails, I already wash my hands a million times a day. Now with covid and my daughter puking, I have no skin left on my hands.  I'm washing sinew at this point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
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one person who roamed the city, went to church, and ate at a buffet while carrying the virus ended up getting more than 1,000 people infected in korea.

Patient 31 is a real bitch

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

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Authorities are investigating links between the church in Daegu and a funeral service at the hospital, which a number of church members attended from January 31-February 2. If confirmed, it means Patient 31 could be linked to both clusters. Between Daegu and Cheongdo county, the areas account for around 80 percent of the cases in the entire country.

Authorities are still investigating how Patient 31 contracted the virus, having no recent record of overseas travel or earlier known contact with other confirmed cases

This is wild
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
My hands hurt from washing them so much.  My daughter caught a stomach bug at daycare last week, so I'm washing my hands every 3 seconds.  Seeing that I'm a Vet and all that entails, I already wash my hands a million times a day. Now with covid and my daughter puking, I have no skin left on my hands.  I'm washing sinew at this point.


4D chess, can’t transmit the virus Via your hands if you don’t have skin
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:07:10 AM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.

Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus

https://twitter.com/keeksthescammer/status/1238701578338459653?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Hemi on March 15, 2020, 09:11:15 AM
So sick of these poopchute hoarders buying all the damn toilet paper. I have two rolls left.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 15, 2020, 09:16:59 AM
Why are people capitalizing the v in coronavirus?
Because to me Corona is one word and Virus is another word so mentally I feel I should separate them. Idk the medically correct way to spell this excrement
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 09:24:21 AM
Idk the medically correct way to spell this excrement

It's spelled, AIDS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:24:49 AM
So sick of these poopchute hoarders buying all the damn toilet paper. I have two rolls left.

I haven’t wiped my derriere in the past week #rationing
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 09:26:24 AM
So sick of these poopchute hoarders buying all the damn toilet paper. I have two rolls left.
Go to McDonald's and steal napkins.  RIP your poopchute.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:28:02 AM
Go to McDonald's and steal napkins.  RIP your poopchute.


This is what we did post college when we ran low on supplies and someone was too lazy or forgot to get the TP. At Chipotle. Permanent poopchute structural damage
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
Wait, I thought they have terrible medical care that results in waiting months for care?  Now all of a sudden they have really good infrastructure?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-pay-attention-trump-trudeaus-coronavirus-response-is-a-lesson-in/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 10:06:01 AM
This is what we did post college when we ran low on supplies and someone was too lazy or forgot to get the TP. At Chipotle. Permanent poopchute structural damage
The Chipotle or the napkins caused it?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
The Chipotle or the napkins caused it?

It was a vicious cycle
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 15, 2020, 11:11:01 AM
Hoboken, New Jersey announces daily 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew in effort to stop coronavirus
Lol, what’s the point of that? Who the freak is out between those hours anyway? They should make it from 8am-8pm if they want it to be affective. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 11:44:06 AM
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A minor league player in the New York Yankees system has tested positive for coronavirus, sources tell ESPN. He is the first known case in baseball. He was quarantined Friday morning after saying he was running a fever.

The Yankees player who tested positive for coronavirus was only on the minor league side of the team's facility in Tampa. Still, as we're learning about coronavirus' ability to spread, that distance alone does not necessarily protect those who are nearby from contracting it.

Passan
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2020, 12:06:22 PM
According to several data scientists, Italy is about 10 days ahead of Spain, Germany, and France in the epidemic progression, and 13 to 16 days ahead of the United Kingdom and the United States.

This is a completely meaningless statement without context. 10 days ahead how? Ahead on what scale?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
https://twitter.com/krausekraig/status/1238869768746172417?s=21

People are vastly underestimating how dumb Americans are
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
This is a completely meaningless statement without context. 10 days ahead how? Ahead on what scale?

Dude, there’s a link to the data in the article and I didn’t write it so ask the author
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
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BREAKING: Illinois Governor announced that ALL restaurants and bars will close for inside dining, starting Monday - WLSTV
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2020, 04:21:59 PM

Service industry workers are FUCKED
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
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We will be issuing an order closing all bars and restaurants in #Ohio beginning at 9:00 tonight.

Establishments can stay open for carry-out and delivery. What we can't have is people congregating and seated.

Gov Mike Dewine, Ohio
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
Moratorium on mortgages, rent, evictions and property taxes.

Need this ASAP
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
Ohio, of all places, is handling this better than any other state.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/pornhub-offers-free-premium-service-in-italy-to-ease-coronavirus-pains/

freaking heroes...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
Wait, I thought they have terrible medical care that results in waiting months for care?  Now all of a sudden they have really good infrastructure?

You do realize they are not the same thing right?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
This is a completely meaningless statement without context. 10 days ahead how? Ahead on what scale?

I'd assume they're referring to the exponential curve. As the (bulk?) of articles I've seen referenced an exponential curve to how it spreads and how people need to "flatten the curve"

Sure their language isn't scientific with the vagueness but I'm sure you can understand what they're talking about
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 04:40:34 PM
https://twitter.com/krausekraig/status/1238869768746172417?s=21

People are vastly underestimating how dumb Americans are

Dude this isn't the political thread, chill with the Bernie Bros stuff
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Retard alert(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200316/9eb1fdc8749b5dada23858370bf4dd23.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 15, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
So his contention is George Fuckig Soros caused the Coronavirus?

Ok
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 10:55:50 PM
So his contention is George Fuckig Soros caused the Coronavirus?

Ok

While I fully agree with the sentiment that he's a freaking idiot. I also speak moron fluently so I'll translate.

The point he's attempting to make is that Soros is one of the people behind the media frenzy turning this into absolute hysteria.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
https://twitter.com/cashnastygaming/status/1239039704181493761?s=21

People want/deserve to die
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 11:05:31 PM
I’m sorry
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 15, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
https://twitter.com/cashnastygaming/status/1239039704181493761?s=21

People want/deserve to die

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETH0skOXkAAqs1M?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
https://twitter.com/cashnastygaming/status/1239039704181493761?s=21

People want/deserve to die

How can I buy her dinner?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2020, 11:58:30 PM
What did I say about the freaking bus seats?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2020, 01:08:31 AM
While I fully agree with the sentiment that he's a freaking idiot. I also speak moron fluently so I'll translate.

The point he's attempting to make is that Soros is one of the people behind the media frenzy turning this into absolute hysteria.
Literally the only times I have ever heard George Soros' name are when GOPtards are making conspiracy theories. I've voted democrat every time I've voted in my life, and I have no idea who George Soros is besides a rich GOP boogeyman.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 16, 2020, 01:18:08 AM
The greatest trick George Soros ever pulled...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 01:56:11 AM
Literally the only times I have ever heard George Soros' name are when GOPtards are making conspiracy theories. I've voted democrat every time I've voted in my life, and I have no idea who George Soros is besides a rich GOP boogeyman.

Kinda like the only time I hear about the Koch Brothers is from Bernie's Bros talking about how they saw how evil they are on Rachel Maddow while working on their liberal arts degrees?

I don't know why people give so much a freak about rich people donating their money. People just love to have someone to hate
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:04:48 AM
How can I buy her dinner?
McDonald's has a delicious fish sandwich.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:03:10 AM
Literally the only times I have ever heard George Soros' name are when GOPtards are making conspiracy theories. I've voted democrat every time I've voted in my life, and I have no idea who George Soros is besides a rich GOP boogeyman.
Lol the deep state has you brainwashed man
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:04:43 AM
https://twitter.com/wdwnt/status/1239351087741702145?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:06:55 AM
I just wanna point out the irony of all the kiddies out there crying about how old people are selfish and don't care about their future when it comes to global warming. And now these same young people are going out bar hopping and excrement not giving a freak about the vulnerable people they'll kill
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:22:05 AM
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Bolsonaro had direct contact with at least 272 people yesterday, as he waited to take another coronavirus test by attending a protest held by supporters

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Edir Macedo, one of Brazil's most powerful evangelical bishops, billionaire businessman, and the founder of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, says coronavirus is joint conspiracy by Satan and the mainstream media to induce panic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:27:05 AM
I just wanna point out the irony of all the kiddies out there crying about how old people are selfish and don't care about their future when it comes to global warming. And now these same young people are going out bar hopping and excrement not giving a freak about the vulnerable people they'll kill

Irony, or chickens coming home to roost? It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a generation which has continually been told "freak you, we own this world, we'll do whatever the freak we want with it and there's nothing you can do about it" now doesn't really care when the narrative becomes "hey, please make all these sacrifices to your daily life because of this illness that is medically insignificant to you but could kill significant amounts of us". Obviously that's not a conscious train of thought for most, but the willingness to behave in the interest of a particular societal group being significantly reduced when that group has proven itself to be uninterested in doing their part is fairly logical.

It isn't irony, it's cause and effect.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:29:52 AM
https://twitter.com/kerihilson/status/1239355228291465216?s=21

Keri Hilson having a normal one, check her TL
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:30:59 AM
Irony, or chickens coming home to roost? It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a generation which has continually been told "freak you, we own this world, we'll do whatever the freak we want with it and there's nothing you can do about it" now doesn't really care when the narrative becomes "hey, please make all these sacrifices to your daily life because of this illness that is medically insignificant to you but could kill significant amounts of us". Obviously that's not a conscious train of thought for most, but the willingness to behave in the interest of a particular societal group being significantly reduced when that group has proven itself to be uninterested in doing their part is fairly logical.

It isn't irony, it's cause and effect.

So they never actually cared to begin with, cool story.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:35:19 AM
So they never actually cared to begin with, cool story.

Who didn't? The milliennial generation? A generation that has continually been told that things like reasonably affordable housing, a valued career as a result of an affordable education, and later life security are all things that they are not entitled to in the way that their ancestors were are somehow bastards for not really caring if nature decides to give that generation a huge freaking kick in the teeth, and the systems that those ancestors chose to neglect in favour of greater personal wealth are not fit for purpose when they need them?

Cry me a freaking river. Society is somewhat fucked and it isn't the fault of the younger generations. Maybe we need something like this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:36:10 AM
Who didn't? The milliennial generation? A generation that has continually been told that things like reasonably affordable housing, a valued career as a result of an affordable education, and later life security are all things that they are not entitled to in the way that their ancestors were are somehow bastards for not really caring if nature decides to give that generation a huge freaking kick in the teeth, and the systems that those ancestors chose to neglect in favour of greater personal wealth are not fit for purpose when they need them?

Cry me a freaking river. Society is somewhat fucked and it isn't the fault of the younger generations. Maybe we need something like this.


freak off mate
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:41:41 AM

freak off mate

OK boomer
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:59:58 AM
Irony, or chickens coming home to roost? It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a generation which has continually been told "freak you, we own this world, we'll do whatever the freak we want with it and there's nothing you can do about it" now doesn't really care when the narrative becomes "hey, please make all these sacrifices to your daily life because of this illness that is medically insignificant to you but could kill significant amounts of us". Obviously that's not a conscious train of thought for most, but the willingness to behave in the interest of a particular societal group being significantly reduced when that group has proven itself to be uninterested in doing their part is fairly logical.

It isn't irony, it's cause and effect.

Chickens coming home to roost? Hey you were an poopchute so I don't care if my behavior kills you.

If people can't tell right from wrong, they can never take the moral high ground again.

And the reality is the majority of all age groups are going to survive this. So if they think saying freak you I don't care if I kill you won't hurt their cause. Then maybe they deserve those jobs pushing shopping carts

Plus if they kill off all the old people then whose basements are they going to stay in?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 08:06:59 AM
Chickens coming home to roost? Hey you were an poopchute so I don't care if my behavior kills you.

If people can't tell right from wrong, they can never take the moral high ground again.

And the reality is the majority of all age groups are going to survive this. So if they think saying freak you I don't care if I kill you won't hurt their cause. Then maybe they deserve those jobs pushing shopping carts

Plus if they kill off all the old people then whose basements are they going to stay in?

You're taking that post rather too literally, I even specifically told you that it isn't a conscious train of thought.

Society is broken though, and it's not the younger generations' fault. You don't get to excrement on a generation for the entirety of their existence and then complain that they're not looking out for you when you suddenly become vulnerable despite all your hoarded wealth and power.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 08:46:34 AM
I just wanna point out the irony of all the kiddies out there crying about how old people are selfish and don't care about their future when it comes to global warming. And now these same young people are going out bar hopping and excrement not giving a freak about the vulnerable people they'll kill
Idiots come in all ages.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
im all in on boomers dying
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
im all in on boomers dying

I'm not, I don't want anyone to die. I just don't think people get to complain about young people not holding up their end of the social contract when the other parties involved have spent a long time demonstrating their complete lack of interest in doing same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:27:44 AM
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Breaking: Gov. Lamont announced Monday that he will order the closure of Connecticut restaurants and bars in an effort to slow the spread of #COVID19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:28:44 AM
I'm not, I don't want anyone to die. I just don't think people get to complain about young people not holding up their end of the social contract when the other parties involved have spent a long time demonstrating their complete lack of interest in doing same.

The people that aren’t holding up their end of the bargain aren’t just young, and they don’t give a freak about politics as much as you think. They just don’t give a excrement about anyone but themselves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:29:55 AM
im all in on boomers dying

Yikes, I hope you don’t know any. At least you did an internet funny at the cost of being a complete piece of excrement
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2020, 09:32:28 AM
if youre suddenly the beacon of positive thoughts and safe practices, were all fucked anyways
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
The people that aren’t holding up their end of the bargain aren’t just young, and they don’t give a freak about politics as much as you think. They just don’t give a excrement about anyone but themselves.

It's impressive that you've managed to squeeze this many strawmen into such a short post. I was responding to dcm's post which was specifically about young people, and my response has freak all to do with politics. Suggest you read up on social contract theory.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
thoughts n prayers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
thoughts n prayers

This is an elite post that makes the point perfectly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
It's impressive that you've managed to squeeze this many strawmen into such a short post. I was responding to dcm's post which was specifically about young people, and my response has freak all to do with politics. Suggest you read up on social contract theory.

Dcm is wrong that it’s young people’s fault or whatever, and you’re wrong on your theory that they’re going out to spite boomers or whatever. Just pointing that out. The people out at the bars or spring break or Disneyworld care more about their own personal satisfaction/enjoyment than the well being of others. They certainly don’t know what a social contract is
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
This is an elite post that makes the point perfectly.

You don’t really have a point other than intentionally being an poopchute
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:44:01 AM
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Breaking: Gov. Lamont announced Monday that he will order the closure of Connecticut restaurants and bars in an effort to slow the spread of #COVID19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
Dcm is wrong that it’s young people’s fault or whatever, and you’re wrong on your theory that they’re going out to spite boomers or whatever. Just pointing that out. The people out at the bars or spring break or Disneyworld care more about their own personal satisfaction/enjoyment than the well being of others. They certainly don’t know what a social contract is

Which is entirely the freaking point, they don't care about the wellbeing of others because those others have made it clear that no one has their interests at heart.

Turn it round, let's say there was a virus that represented a significant risk to 20somethings but was medically insignificant for the older generation. You think they're bringing the world to a stop to protect those at risk young people?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:45:10 AM
You don’t really have a point other than intentionally being an poopchute

No, you just don't understand it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:45:29 AM
Which is entirely the freaking point, they don't care about the wellbeing of others because those others have made it clear that no one has their interests at heart.

Turn it round, let's say there was a virus that represented a significant risk to 20somethings but was medically insignificant for the older generation. You think they're bringing the world to a stop to protect those at risk young people?

What? Yes you freaking assclown
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
What? Yes you freaking assclown

LOL, you're either naive or ignorant. I refer you back to IATA's post and invite you to think about what he means by "thoughts and prayers".
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
LOL, you're either naive or ignorant. I refer you back to IATA's post and invite you to think about what he means by "thoughts and prayers".

Most of those young people have parents that actually care about their well being. You truly have no grip on reality.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
Most of those young people have parents that actually care about their well being. You truly have no grip on reality.

Again, I invite you to go and understand social contract theory before you keep trying to make specious arguments.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 11:15:55 AM
things like reasonably affordable housing, a valued career as a result of an affordable education, and later life security are all things that they are not entitled to in the way that their ancestors were
Um wut?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Um wut?
I agree.  Maybe I took this out of context, but I'm not aware any generation being ENTITLED to affordable housing, affordable education and a valued career.  They are entitled to be able to pursue it.  Maybe that day will come, and it should, but that isn't current reality, at least here in the US.

Maybe we have different definitions of the word entitled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 11:27:31 AM
Um wut?

Which bit do you disagree with?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 11:31:03 AM
Which bit do you disagree with?
Who was entitled to what?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 11:32:09 AM
I agree.  Maybe I took this out of context, but I'm not aware any generation being ENTITLED to affordable housing, affordable education and a valued career.  They are entitled to be able to pursue it.  Maybe that day will come, and it should, but that isn't reality.

Maybe we have different definitions of the word entitled.

It's a word that seems to be loaded differently in the US, but sure. Our parents lived in a time when buying a home was a de facto option if you had a full time job, when having a full time job was a de facto option if you had an education, when having an education didn't require you to be saddled with eyewatering levels of debt, and when retirement with a comfortable pension and your own home was the de facto end to a lifetime of working.

This generation have been sold a pup by their grandparents' and to some extent their parents' generation. I shouldn't need to link anyone to the stats on the expansion of wealth inequality over the last fifty years. It's hard to blame them for not giving much of a freak when that generation needs their help.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
It's a word that seems to be loaded differently in the US, but sure. Our parents lived in a time when buying a home was a de facto option if you had a full time job, when having a full time job was a de facto option if you had an education, when having an education didn't require you to be saddled with eyewatering levels of debt, and when retirement with a comfortable pension and your own home was the de facto end to a lifetime of working.

This generation have been sold a pup by their grandparents' and to some extent their parents' generation. I shouldn't need to link anyone to the stats on the expansion of wealth inequality over the last fifty years. It's hard to blame them for not giving much of a freak when that generation needs their help.
Ok. This is a little bit better explained than what I read earlier. No one is entitled to anything, I certainly wasn’t, older generations went through excrement I probably couldn’t comprehend and, most importantly, no one forces anyone to rack up debt going to school. Maybe Bobby and his 2.5 GPA should go to a trade school instead of going to some overpriced State College. The world will always need mechanics, Electrictrians, plumbers, etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
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I’ve heard that July is the earliest being discussed right now. And a real possibility of no fans for the remainder of the season.

Trevor Plouffe
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Ok. This is a little bit better explained than what I read earlier. No one is entitled to anything, I certainly wasn’t, older generations went through excrement I probably couldn’t comprehend and, most importantly, no one forces anyone to rack up debt going to school. Maybe Bobby and his 2.5 GPA should go to a trade school instead of going to some overpriced State College. The world will always need mechanics, Electrictrians, plumbers, etc.

OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".

I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".

I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
This blanketing response was unnecessary. I never said I disagreed with you. I just didn’t agree with the use of the word entitlement. I’m not one of the people laughing at anything. If I had any kind of a background in engineering or electricity, I’d be in a way better way than I am now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: delavan on March 16, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".

I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
food for thought


suicide bombers please disregard
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1239300535003549699

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Canada closing the border to all except US citizens, for now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-response-canada-closing-borders-to-non-citizens.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
https://winnipegsun.com/news/world/u-s-clinical-trial-for-coronavirus-vaccine-reportedly-to-begin-monday/wcm/9f9bea50-4f24-4706-9625-01697968f7a9
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2020, 01:40:23 PM
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".

I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
And that's why a lot of young people flocked to Bernie. Political revolution. People are pissed off. On both sides. That's a big reason Trump won the RNC nomination last year. I hate comparing Bernie to Trump because I like Bernie, but both have benefitted politically from angry voters.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/do-not-call-911-just-because-you-ran-out-of-toilet-paper-oregon-police-say
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
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News: Six bay area counties, including San Francisco County, are going to require people to stay in their homes except for essential needs

Order will be in place through April 7th

Other counties: Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 02:15:11 PM
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
Wish they'd do that in NYC.

My job's basically like "Stay home if you want, but you're using vacation days."
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 02:28:16 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/coronavirus-vaccine-test-opens-as-us-volunteer-gets-1st-shot/ar-BB11gAPW?ocid=ientp

human testing has begun
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 02:37:13 PM
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TRUMP on the timeline on the end of the coronavirus: “People are talking about July, August, something like that. … Could be longer than that."

Cool
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
https://twitter.com/wfla/status/1239618604255059975?s=21

These are the people that will soon be taking up hospital beds and other people will die as a result. No need for politics or demographics to explain, this is just stupid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 05:16:41 PM
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NEW: Netherland’s PM in historic national TV address

Aims for a 'controlled spread' of the #coronavirus.

@MarkRutte ‘a large part' of population will become infected but that that will also lead to increased immunity. No lockdown; Netherlands opts for 'herd immunity'
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 16, 2020, 05:19:42 PM


Holy excrement, it's the Redeker Plan.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
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The president of France on Monday said he was ordering people in the country to stay at home for up to 15 days because of the coronavirus outbreak.

President Emmanuel Macron said people should leave their homes only for essential duties, beginning midday Tuesday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 05:27:52 PM
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The UK only realised "in the last few days" that attempts to "mitigate" the impact of the coronavirus pandemic would not work, and that it needed to shift to a strategy to "suppress" the outbreak, according to a report by a team of experts who have been advising the government.

The report, published by the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team on Monday night, found that the strategy previously being pursued by the government — dubbed "mitigation" and involving home isolation of suspect cases and their family members but not including restrictions on wider society — would "likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over".

The mitigation strategy "focuses on slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread — reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection", the report said, reflecting the UK strategy that was outlined last week by Boris Johnson and the chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance.

But the approach was found to be unworkable. "Our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," perhaps by as much as eight times, the report said.

In this scenario, the Imperial College team predicted as many as 250,000 deaths in Britain.

"In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days," the report explained, due to new data on likely intensive care unit demand based on the experience of Italy and Britain so far.

"We were expecting herd immunity to build. We now realise it’s not possible to cope with that," professor Azra Ghani, chair of infectious diseases epidemiology at Imperial, told journalists at a briefing on Monday night.

I feel like I’m reading the plot of the same bad movie over and over again
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:03:27 PM
The craziest part of all this is that I find myself agreeing with JE
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:11:49 PM
The craziest part of all this is that I find myself agreeing with JE

They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.

I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.

I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Because you can’t be trusted
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.

I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
It’s going to be much more fun fending off someone holding a pistol to my forehead for a roll of toilet paper than it will be fighting a fever for 2 days
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.

I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Never try to reason with the unreasonable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:17:52 PM
It’s going to be much more fun fending off someone holding a pistol to my forehead for a roll of toilet paper than it will be fighting a fever for 2 days

Nobody cares about your well being, shithead
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:19:14 PM
Dow Jones dropped 3000 points today after feds pulled their last move to try to pump the economy

No big deal
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
Never try to reason with the unreasonable.

I genuinely don't know the answer to that, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. (Actually I suspect I do but people don't like it.) I feel like at some point we're facing the age old hypothetical ethics dilemma of the driver of the car with the failed brakes having to decide between hitting the stroller or the group of elderly people. I would love to hear that there's a run off lane not being mentioned because right now we're definitely not steering towards it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:24:15 PM
Dow Jones dropped 3000 points today after feds pulled their last move to try to pump the economy

No big deal

Actually isn't, couldn't give a excrement about the Dow. Fortune 1000 companies aren't laying people off because their stock plummeted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:24:33 PM
I genuinely don't know the answer to that, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. (Actually I suspect I do but people don't like it.) I feel like at some point we're facing the age old hypothetical ethics dilemma of the driver of the car with the failed brakes having to decide between hitting the stroller or the group of elderly people. I would love to hear that there's a run off lane not being mentioned because right now we're definitely not steering towards it.

Your strategy the other day was ignore it and it goes away. Now you want to play God?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:25:02 PM
Btw that’s exactly what they’re doing in Italy right now. Pay attention
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:25:03 PM
Actually isn't, couldn't give a excrement about the Dow. Fortune 1000 companies aren't laying people off because their stock plummeted.
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeks
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:29:22 PM
I genuinely don't know the answer to that, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. (Actually I suspect I do but people don't like it.) I feel like at some point we're facing the age old hypothetical ethics dilemma of the driver of the car with the failed brakes having to decide between hitting the stroller or the group of elderly people. I would love to hear that there's a run off lane not being mentioned because right now we're definitely not steering towards it.
No, I'm telling you to never try to reason with unreasonable people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:31:52 PM
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeks
That only matters if you are near retirement, and if you are you shouldn't be anywhere near 100% invested in equities. Everyone else has plenty of time to recover and an excellent opportunity to buy low along the way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeks
My toilet paper stash > your 401k
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Your strategy the other day was ignore it and it goes away. Now you want to play God?

You've done nothing but create strawmen today, would you like to link me to where I said that please?

The car dilemma is a long standing tool in ethics education. When you've finished reading social contract theory maybe move on to some wider sociology concepts, they're surprisingly interesting and important.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
That only matters if you are near retirement, and if you are you shouldn't be anywhere near 100% invested in equities. Everyone else has plenty of time to recover and an excellent opportunity to buy low along the way.
Yeah I stand to become quite wealthy because of all this in a decades time but my worry is the reactionary issues from the market crashing. We’re seeing panic buying and bank runs already, with the world shutting down I’m led to believe we’re not even close to turning the corner on this
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:36:04 PM
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeks

Sure, but two thirds of something is still something. People are literally going from a wage to no wage now, and that's a much bigger deal. Markets will recover, people out of work and shortly after out of a home will not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Sure, but two thirds of something is still something. People are literally going from a wage to no wage now, and that's a much bigger deal. Markets will recover, people out of work and shortly after out of a home will not.
Sorry that was implied on my part. We’re in complete agreement there.

I’m out here busting my derriere 14 to 16 hrs a day giving people work from home capability to keep their freaking livelihoods and business intact and I’m getting lectured by people laying on their couch binging the office about how it’s not safe to be outside
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Sorry that was implied on my part. We’re in complete agreement there.

I’m out here busting my derriere 14 to 16 hrs a day giving people work from home capability to keep their freaking livelihoods and business intact and I’m getting lectured by people laying on their couch binging the office about how it’s not safe to be outside

It took the flu for you and me to find a meeting of minds.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:45:07 PM
Yeah I stand to become quite wealthy because of all this in a decades time but my worry is the reactionary issues from the market crashing. We’re seeing panic buying and bank runs already, with the world shutting down I’m led to believe we’re not even close to turning the corner on this

Lol you are a scumbag

Keep telling people you vote Democrat though so you can maintain your moral superiority over them
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:49:08 PM
Lol you are a scumbag

Keep telling people you vote Democrat though so you can maintain your moral superiority over them
You guys have this narrative of me being a massive Republican while I’ve never voted republican in my life. Last three presidential votes were Jill Stein and Obama x2. Local and state government I generally go Democratic. I understand my off color remarks make me out to be an poopchute but anyone that knows me will vouch for me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Sure, but two thirds of something is still something. People are literally going from a wage to no wage now, and that's a much bigger deal. Markets will recover, people out of work and shortly after out of a home will not.

Depends on context

If someone's been working for 20 30 40 years and they lose a 3rd or those savings

That's a much greater loss to recover from than someone losing their job as a bus boy for 3 months and is now getting government assistance

Yeah the job loss is more acutely serious, but it's also much easier/faster to recover from than a 3rd of your life's savings
Sure the market will recover but if you're 50 60 70 or 80 you're depending on that money.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:54:29 PM
Depends on context

If someone's been working for 20 30 40 years and they lose a 3rd or those savings

That's a much greater loss to recover from than someone losing their job as a bus boy for 3 months and is now getting government assistance

Yeah the job loss is more acutely serious, but it's also much easier/faster to recover from than a 3rd of your life's savings
Sure the market will recover but if you're 50 60 70 or 80 you're depending on that money.
Again, why would a person near retirement be 100% invested in stocks? excrement like this is a prime example of why an older person shouldn't be.

If you've been working 20 years, you are in your 40s and still have plenty of time to recover.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Again, why would a person near retirement be 100% invested in stocks?

Because like 95% of Americans they never saved enoguh and are trying to catch up? Or it's better than the alternative of them being highly invested in predatory whole life insurance policies annuities etc

(that said you're completely right)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:03:18 PM
Depends on context

If someone's been working for 20 30 40 years and they lose a 3rd or those savings

That's a much greater loss to recover from than someone losing their job as a bus boy for 3 months and is now getting government assistance

Yeah the job loss is more acutely serious, but it's also much easier/faster to recover from than a 3rd of your life's savings
Sure the market will recover but if you're 50 60 70 or 80 you're depending on that money.

Sure. I would refer you back to my point about societal issues - there are much bigger and more long term problems to address post this situation than just "the stock market took a poop and now I have to spend my retirement living on beans in a trailer". Like, for example, why is the quality of someone's retirement predicated upon the equation of

return = value + greed - fear

as determined by a bunch of self-centred millionaires and billionaires? But that is a conversation for the near future. The now conversation is about how we find the balance between old and immunocompromised people dying, and people of working age having their lives literally destroyed because we created and supported a society in which a terrifying large amount of our members live a hand to mouth existence that is one unexpected crisis away from being unsupportable. We did this and we were OK with it, and if we don't now feel utterly freaking ashamed and motivated to fix it then I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:07:14 PM
Sure. I would refer you back to my point about societal issues - there are much bigger and more long term problems to address post this situation than just "the stock market took a poop and now I have to spend my retirement living on beans in a trailer". Like, for example, why is the quality of someone's retirement predicated upon the equation of

return = value + greed - fear

as determined by a bunch of self-centred millionaires and billionaires? But that is a conversation for the near future. The now conversation is about how we find the balance between old and immunocompromised people dying, and people of working age having their lives literally destroyed because we created and supported a society in which a terrifying large amount of our members live a hand to mouth existence that is one unexpected crisis away from being unsupportable. We did this and we were OK with it, and if we don't now feel utterly freaking ashamed and motivated to fix it then I don't know what to tell you.

Living hand to mouth isn't the issue here

Every country who is experiencing a major outbreak is being devastated by this. Both medically and economically. This isn't uniquely harming the USA because of economic inequality. Socialist, communist countries are all getting wrecked. Solving global inequality and creating a utopia isn't happening in our lifetimes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:09:02 PM
Living hand to mouth isn't the issue here

Every country who is experiencing a major outbreak is being devastated by this. Both medically and economically. This isn't uniquely harming the USA because of economic inequality. Socialist, communist countries are all getting wrecked. Solving global inequality and creating a utopia isn't happening in our lifetimes

Congratulations on both getting the point of my post and also completely missing it.

Go answer my question in the LOL NFL thread, you might actually be useful there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:32:35 PM
The retirement thing is complicated though. Some of it is ignorance (people knowing nothing about the stock market and refusing to touch it) other is laziness.

I know countless people my age who make 70-110k a year, and haven't put a freaking dime away for retirement. Yet have 10s of thousands in credit card debt. I don't know how that's possible, but at least the people I know making that isn't because of life hardships. It's because they're freaking idiots.

I've become much more ammendable to the government lending its teet to the ordinary people in my older age. But I'm also a staunch believer that the majority of time people are their own biggest obstacle in life
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:55:15 PM
The retirement thing is complicated though. Some of it is ignorance (people knowing nothing about the stock market and refusing to touch it) other is laziness.

I know countless people my age who make 70-110k a year, and haven't put a freaking dime away for retirement. Yet have 10s of thousands in credit card debt. I don't know how that's possible, but at least the people I know making that isn't because of life hardships. It's because they're freaking idiots.

I've become much more ammendable to the government lending its teet to the ordinary people in my older age. But I'm also a staunch believer that the majority of time people are their own biggest obstacle in life

I know countless people my age who make that and a lot more who haven't put a dime away for retirement. I have, but I'm still woefully underserved. I'll deal with that, it's on me.

The problem is that we have built a society in which vast swathes of the population work two or three jobs in order to cover the basic necessities. They don't have savings and it's not because they're irresponsible. This has been a huge problem for a while; in a month's time it's going to be a very different one. Badger's suggestion of widespread freezes on rent and mortgage payments and utility bills and evictions and everything else is a good start, but it doesn't fix the short term problem completely or the long term one at all.

Society is broken. In basic economic terms, the hoarding of resources is a massive inefficiency and one that, one way or the other, needs to be fixed. Better to do it in a controlled fashion, because the alternative is way worse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 08:08:36 PM
I know countless people my age who make that and a lot more who haven't put a dime away for retirement. I have, but I'm still woefully underserved. I'll deal with that, it's on me.

The problem is that we have built a society in which vast swathes of the population work two or three jobs in order to cover the basic necessities. They don't have savings and it's not because they're irresponsible. This has been a huge problem for a while; in a month's time it's going to be a very different one. Badger's suggestion of widespread freezes on rent and mortgage payments and utility bills and evictions and everything else is a good start, but it doesn't fix the short term problem completely or the long term one at all.

Society is broken. In basic economic terms, the hoarding of resources is a massive inefficiency and one that, one way or the other, needs to be fixed. Better to do it in a controlled fashion, because the alternative is way worse.

I don't know how you can widespread freeze rent.

You're literally saying hey sure I'll help you out to someone in need. I get it. But what about the person who owns the property? Not everyone who rents out property is a billionaire slumlord

They still have their bills to pay, and they're not going away. Utility bills and some kind of government support for rent/lack of income is fine. Hell I'd support the government "stimulus" support bullshit where they effectively hand everyone x amount of cash to get by. (giving people some extra money to get through hard times)

I don't have the answers, if I did I'd make a helluva lot more money.i just know it's easy to throw out utopian ideas, and to point out how shitty things are. But harder to solve them.

Who knows, I guess in recent times I've learned we all spend way too much time arguing like a bunch of cunts. While coronavirus as a disease might not personally effect us. I hope this whole thing ends up being a wakeup call for people to stop being such miserable cunts and enjoy life. Who knows
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 08:16:24 PM
I don't know how you can widespread freeze rent.

You're literally saying hey sure I'll help you out to someone in need. I get it. But what about the person who owns the property? Not everyone who rents out property is a billionaire slumlord

They still have their bills to pay, and they're not going away. Utility bills and some kind of government support for rent/lack of income is fine. Hell I'd support the government "stimulus" support bullshit where they effectively hand everyone x amount of cash to get by. (giving people some extra money to get through hard times)

I don't have the answers, if I did I'd make a helluva lot more money.i just know it's easy to throw out utopian ideas, and to point out how shitty things are. But harder to solve them.

Who knows, I guess in recent times I've learned we all spend way too much time arguing like a bunch of cunts. While coronavirus as a disease might not personally effect us. I hope this whole thing ends up being a wakeup call for people to stop being such miserable cunts and enjoy life. Who knows

You're right. It requires us literally to press a pause button the entire economy. We can tell the landlords to stop charging rent and the banks to stop charging for mortgages and the utilities to stop charging for electricity and gas, but even that doesn't work because we still need to buy consumable essentials like food and you can't tell the grocery stores to give away their product for free, and if they're getting paid then the farmers need to as well, and if they're getting paid then it's reasonable that the banks would want to ask for the repayments they owe, and now we've got a messed up two tier society that's not really functional.

Part of the answer might be UBI. I don't think it's the entire answer because for UBI to work it needs a system that doesn't just allow the housing and rental markets to add the UBI amount on to the existing rental prices and thus render it pointless. We need root and branch reform of how our society works.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
I think UBI is a good answer for what is going on. This economy is about to be fucked. And 80% of people don't give a excrement about the stock market - they just want to be able to afford food and rent.

I was at a bar in LA two weeks ago and the bartender was talking with someone on how they are slow the first week of every month because people have no money because they just paid rent.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238269193427906560?s=21

I lol’ed
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:15:52 PM
Quote

Less than a week since the NHL suspended its season because of the coronavirus pandemic, and one day after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced its advising there should be no events consisting of 50 or more people for eight weeks, it seems the NHL is approaching the situation with a more realistic timeline.

The NHL put out an edict saying "effective immediately players can opt to return home (outside of the club's home city), including outside of North America, to the extent flights are available."

Players must stay in self-quarantine until after March 27, and after that date depending on world "developments" team facilities could re-open.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 10:23:28 PM
I think UBI is a good answer for what is going on. This economy is about to be fucked. And 80% of people don't give a excrement about the stock market - they just want to be able to afford food and rent.

I was at a bar in LA two weeks ago and the bartender was talking with someone on how they are slow the first week of every month because people have no money because they just paid rent.

And after going to the bar the next few weeks they have no money at the start of the next month.

Odd how that happens
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:28:42 PM
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Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York has at least three patients and five staff members that have been diagnosed with the coronavirus. The hospital has a one-week supply of masks.

Buzzfeed News
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:32:14 PM
https://twitter.com/jwdaddy80/status/1239704150826348544?s=21

Sounds like fun
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:34:21 PM
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Only a few will suffer from Coronavirus but EVERYONE will suffer from the current Economic effect of the reaction to the Virus.

Joey Salads
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2020, 10:38:24 PM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.

If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.

Did you completely forget that take out, delivery, and gift certificates exist?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
Did you completely forget that take out, delivery, and gift certificates exist?

I can't tell if you meant this sarcastically or facetiously. But you're still talking about immense challenges with staffing, supply chains, changes in tourism/travel, expenses, changes in business model all having tremendous unpredictability.

Sure it's absolutely possible to be creative and innovative and have your business be more successful. But considering how many restaurants fail under ideal economic conditions, it's hard to call this anything other than probably the most devastating (economically) thing to ever happen to the food service industry.

Of course between interest rates and the amount of places going under. (which will be available to purchase dirt cheap and mean far less competition) I think sometime this summer might be the best time ever to open a restaurant
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 16, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
You guys have this narrative of me being a massive Republican while I’ve never voted republican in my life. Last three presidential votes were Jill Stein and Obama x2. Local and state government I generally go Democratic. I understand my off color remarks make me out to be an poopchute but anyone that knows me will vouch for me.

You have been to the tailgate's, that is every single one of us here. We're all assholes here, real life not so much. Well except Heismanberg, he's an poopchute, or MBGreen, he's an poopchute too, or Bo he's an poopchute or Je, SFD, LJF, Badger, ...............nevermind
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 06:18:54 AM
https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1239708674626650115?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2020, 08:07:47 AM
https://twitter.com/jwdaddy80/status/1239704150826348544?s=21

Sounds like fun

I read through that entire thread earlier this morning.  As a T1D, i'm a tad nervous.

Good thing everyone is having fun at the beach in Florida.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 08:59:18 AM
Italy's new cases and deaths dropped while recoveries increased. China closed the last of its specialist treatment centres as they no longer have the demand.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
Italy's new cases and deaths dropped while recoveries increased. China closed the last of its specialist treatment centres as they no longer have the demand.

Note: Both countries are in complete lockdown
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:04:30 AM
Italy's new cases and deaths dropped while recoveries increased. China closed the last of its specialist treatment centres as they no longer have the demand.

Today might be a the day to get some major cash in the market. Things are definitely going to get worse on North America, but the lights at the end of the tunnel
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
Note: Both countries are in complete lockdown

Also note the fear is that travelers from outside China will start a second wave of the coronavirus there

Which would send Shockwaves and absolutely decimate an already crippled world economy
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 09:08:55 AM
Note: Both countries are in complete lockdown

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237544-testing-and-quarantine-stopped-coronavirus-in-china-not-lockdown/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:12:11 AM
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237544-testing-and-quarantine-stopped-coronavirus-in-china-not-lockdown/

Hopefully the US starts adequate testing soon. Sounds like some states still don’t have enough resources and are turning people away
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:13:15 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/asiatimes.com/2020/03/china-risks-a-covid-19-second-wave/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:16:34 AM
https://twitter.com/govnedlamont/status/1238183484608430083?s=21

As of 4 days ago, CT had tested 95 total people, 6 positive. The Governor stopped sharing the information regarding total people tested in his daily updates since then. As far as I can tell that info has been scrubbed from the state website.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
Update from 3/12:

Quote
UPDATE as of 3PM on Thursday, March 12:

The @CTDPH State Lab has identified an additional 3 positive individuals. To date, the State Lab has tested 95 individuals: 6 positive and 89 negative.

Update from 3/16:

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🆕UPDATE: Since yesterday, 15 more #Connecticut residents tested positive for #COVID19, bringing the total positive tests in our state to 41. This includes:

- Fairfield County: 29
- Hartford County: 4
- Litchfield County: 4
- New Haven County: 4
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
https://twitter.com/govnedlamont/status/1238183484608430083?s=21

As of 4 days ago, CT had tested 95 total people, 6 positive. The Governor stopped sharing the information regarding total people tested in his daily updates since then. As far as I can tell that info has been scrubbed from the state website.

Friend of mine is in an anesthesia group there, and one of the group tested positive. So about half of their group is on mandatory quarantine now (the group is responsible for numerous hospitals)

That's all it takes is one freaking person and you lose a huge amount of people who would be the primary people intubating all these people coming down with Corona.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:21:23 AM
Friend of mine is in an anesthesia group there, and one of the group tested positive. So about half of their group is on mandatory quarantine now (the group is responsible for numerous hospitals)

That's all it takes is one freaking person and you lose a huge amount of people who would be the primary people intubating all these people coming down with Corona.

I may have read about that, it sounds like 200 health care workers are in quarantine now due to this
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
8 new positive cases in Ontario yesterday, down from 37 the day before.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2020, 09:59:28 AM
8 new positive cases in Ontario yesterday, down from 37 the day before.

good thing they shut down the pubs
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 10:00:37 AM
good thing they shut down the pubs

I already miss it and it's only been closed since midnight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 10:10:23 AM
Did you completely forget that take out, delivery, and gift certificates exist?

How do any of these things help the bar staff and servers who are sitting at home pleading with their landlord not to kick them out because they have no income with which to pay the rent?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 10:23:51 AM
Today might be a the day to get some major cash in the market. Things are definitely going to get worse on North America, but the lights at the end of the tunnel
I thought that last week.  Glad it was just a thought.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 10:32:51 AM
I thought that last week.  Glad it was just a thought.

I put a decent chunk in at dow 23k

Not a steal, but still a huge discount vs the dow at 30

I think everytime it goes down just gotta dig a little deeper

It's extraordinarily unlikely dow 15k is ever gonna happen. But I guess 17-18 is at least plausible
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 11:14:20 AM
I put a decent chunk in at dow 23k

Not a steal, but still a huge discount vs the dow at 30

I think everytime it goes down just gotta dig a little deeper

It's extraordinarily unlikely dow 15k is ever gonna happen. But I guess 17-18 is at least plausible
It's all fine.  You'll make out great either way, just the difference between great and really great.  Maybe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 11:14:53 AM
People in the healthcare field will be affected by this just as much as sick/old people. Infectious disease specialist on the FAN said a hospital a colleague works at has run out of hand sanitizer on multiple floors, have a limited supply of masks, and have run out of PPE- they are being asked to re-use gowns
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
It's all fine.  You'll make out great either way, just the difference between great and really great.  Maybe.

Oh I'm not killing myself over it.

I've been waiting for the dow to get under 20 to put more in, and it keeps bouncing around

Just when jt looked promising today all this fed bullshit has it up a solid chunk
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Oh I'm not killing myself over it.

I've been waiting for the dow to get under 20 to put more in, and it keeps bouncing around

Just when jt looked promising today all this fed bullshit has it up a solid chunk
I'm going to make my IRA contribution for then year now.  Anything else I'm just going to dollar cost average on the way down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 11:19:26 AM
People in the healthcare field will be affected by this just as much as sick/old people. Infectious disease specialist on the FAN said a hospital a colleague works at has run out of hand sanitizer on multiple floors, have a limited supply of masks, and have run out of PPE- they are being asked to re-use gowns

Yep on the main page of reddit was an icu nurse only wearing goggles because they're out of mask.

Sloan Kettering was in the news having jt reported they'll be out of masks sometime this week.

A big concern is how many healthcare employees are going to say freak off when their employers expect them to do shady excrement like working without proper precautions. Already short employees and suddenly going to lose more to illness and walking out
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
I'm going to make my IRA contribution for then year now.  Anything else I'm just going to dollar cost average on the way down.

My plan exactly

I'm also frontloading my 403b/457b just in case the market decides to recover later in the year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 11:22:58 AM
WFAN doctor thinks it will take a minimum of 8 weeks of social distancing to get through this, but thinks that might not be enough because we haven’t taken measure quickly enough. She thinks the window for “flattening the curve” has almost closed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 17, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Just got word from the boss. Getting moved to part-time until April, with a determination to be made at that point.

Considering that I've got enough saved to ride this out for a little bit, and absolutely no leverage in terms of trying to find another job at this point, I have nothing else to do besides accept it, work within the new world for the next couple of weeks and hope against hope that this gets better. There are plenty of people who are way worse off than I.

I've already discussed with my wife the very real possibility that we need to put the house up, get off of this island and go back to Jersey.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
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A Japanese man who recovered after testing positive for coronavirus aboard the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship— caught the bug a second time at home, according to a new report.

The man, in his 70s, first tested positive for COVID-19 February 14 while on board the vessel off the coast of Yokohama, Japanese news agency NHK reported.

He was confirmed negative for the bug on March 2, and was allowed to take public transportation home from the Tokyo medical facility where he was staying to western Japan’s Mie prefecture, according to the report.

But it wasn’t long before he started to feel sick again, and developed a fever of about 102 degrees on Thursday, according to the report.

He went to the hospital Friday, and was confirmed to be infected again on Saturday.

Need Vaccine now plz
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 12:54:22 PM
Just got word from the boss. Getting moved to part-time until April, with a determination to be made at that point.

Considering that I've got enough saved to ride this out for a little bit, and absolutely no leverage in terms of trying to find another job at this point, I have nothing else to do besides accept it, work within the new world for the next couple of weeks and hope against hope that this gets better. There are plenty of people who are way worse off than I.

I've already discussed with my wife the very real possibility that we need to put the house up, get off of this island and go back to Jersey.

That blows. Sorry to hear man. At least you were somewhat prepared, even with no warning this was coming.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 12:56:41 PM
My wife is a child therapist and owns her own practice. She went from 20-25 weekly clients to 3 confirmed for this week, all over the phone via a state approved FaceTime-like app.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 17, 2020, 01:03:35 PM
That blows. Sorry to hear man. At least you were somewhat prepared, even with no warning this was coming.

Thank God my grandfather taught me the merit of a penny saved, even if it pisses my wife off at times.

She's not complaining now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: klaximilian on March 17, 2020, 01:06:31 PM
Day 1 of quarantine: I played video games. It's been a while.

This is gonna be a long 21 days. Might as well make a to-do list of excrement I've been meaning to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: klaximilian on March 17, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
The fitness industry is going to get hit hard. I work around a lot of coaches that have yet to establish themselves, so this could potentially cripple them. It's unfortunate.

I'll undoubtedly feel the effects of the shutdown, but I've done well over the past year that I can absorb a decent amount of time off. Just won't be making any luxury purchases this year now. Fack!

I've successfully established an online coaching platform, but that will only alleviate the loss from 1-on-1 so much. Hopefully we get past this sooner than later.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 01:21:03 PM
Hopefully the US starts adequate testing soon. Sounds like some states still don’t have enough resources and are turning people away

Unless you are Tom Hanks or a star athlete you couldn't get the coronavirus-covid-19 test if you wanted. I know of several people who have been told to quarantine yourself because we can't get you the test short of waving bags of money around. Those people have fever and other symptoms too, so it's not like they're asking for a test out of the blue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 01:55:56 PM
.@NYCMayor says the City should prepare for a “shelter in place” order. Decision expected within next 48 hours.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 02:11:54 PM
Thank God my grandfather taught me the merit of a penny saved, even if it pisses my wife off at times.

She's not complaining now.

Sorry bro, I think your boss is a major bundle of sticks and the company/practice you work for similarly. Get out bro as soon as excrement normalizes and tell the why when you do. It's almost as if they're one of those fucktards buying up toilet paper and selling it for a profit. I wish you the best as a fellow Trump supporter. lol


Seriously good luck to you hopefully this is only a 2 month at best event.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 03:20:41 PM
Hey about testing and our country this is freaking atrocious:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETAJIExXsAMHtOH?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2020, 03:29:35 PM
*Test counts do not include full reporting from all US labs

Not 100% sure what that means but makes me sus of the accuracy
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 03:35:52 PM
*Test counts do not include full reporting from all US labs

Not 100% sure what that means but makes me sus of the accuracy

Yeah true, but double the number, heck triple it, and it's still pathetic to this point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:37:12 PM

https://twitter.com/ikaveri/status/1239660248207589383?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ikaveri/status/1239660248207589383?s=21

Yeah, there are apparently massively reductions in pollution over parts of Italy and China as well. When we get through this bullshit there's going to be so much interesting sociological and scientific study done over evidence we'd never have had.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 03:44:53 PM
Earth gave us this excrement to get a break.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 03:47:26 PM
Earth gave us this excrement to get a break.

As one of the replies to that tweet says: maybe we're the virus and this is the Earth's vaccine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
.@NYCMayor says the City should prepare for a “shelter in place” order. Decision expected within next 48 hours.

NEW STATEMENT FROM @NYGovCuomo OFFICE:

"Any blanket quarantine or shelter in place policy would require State action and as the Governor has said, there is no consideration of that for any locality at this time."
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:57:54 PM
As one of the replies to that tweet says: maybe we're the virus and this is the Earth's vaccine.

I would feel more at peace if that was the answer instead of someone eating bat soup
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
I guess it’s really all the same thing
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
I would feel more at peace if that was the answer instead of someone eating bat soup

Maybe bat soup is the vaccine
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
As one of the replies to that tweet says: maybe we're the virus and this is the Earth's vaccine.

I don't think there's an argument against this reply.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
I would feel more at peace if that was the answer instead of someone eating bat soup

I know that coronaviruses (viri? virii? virae?) are believed to have their origins in the bat population, but I thought that the bat soup as cause of this theory had been dispelled?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
Quote
South Korea has aggressively tested cases of COVID-19 and won praise for its handling of the pandemic. The country's basketball league now has games scheduled at the end of this month after a 4-week long hiatus.

We fucked up
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:22:01 PM
I know that coronaviruses (viri? virii? virae?) are believed to have their origins in the bat population, but I thought that the bat soup as cause of this theory had been dispelled?

I believe it has, but not sure. Never thought it was 100% credible. I think it has been traced back to the Wuhan market and I believe some of it is attributed to questionable food hygiene practices and possibly sketchy animals sold there.

The Alex Jones tier theory is that it originated from the biochem testing lab located in Wuhan.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
We fucked up

On the plus side, we get to watch Korean basketball in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:25:05 PM
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The source of the coronavirus is believed to be a "wet market" in Wuhan which sold both dead and live animals including fish and birds.

Such markets pose a heightened risk of viruses jumping from animals to humans because hygiene standards are difficult to maintain if live animals are being kept and butchered on site. Typically, they are also densely packed.

The animal source of the latest outbreak has not yet been identified, but the original host is thought to be bats. Bats were not sold at the Wuhan market but may have infected live chickens or other animals sold there.

Bats are host to a wide range of zoonotic viruses including Ebola, HIV and rabies.

Telegraph UK

This fits with what I’ve been reading
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 17, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
This was in Contagion.  Bats infect the pigs, pigs go to market, chef buys the pig, chef shakes hands with Gwyneth Paltrow, Gwyneth Paltrow fucks a bunch of dudes, pandemic.

As I've always suspected, this is all Gwyneth Paltrow's fault.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
Kevin Durant is one of the Nets who has it
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
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If you're going to the hospital for a covid-19 test make sure you bring with you a valid form of identification along with a printout of your IMDB page and/or your Basketball Reference stats
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:13:17 PM


Kinda like the only time I hear about the Koch Brothers is from Bernie's Bros talking about how they saw how evil they are on Rachel Maddow while working on their liberal arts degrees?

People who believe in the strawman you just invented need to mainline a stranger's snot ASAP
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:13:54 PM
 (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200318/640a967bdb912a254b6517c0ec005734.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/amazon-suspends-stock-intake-of-non-essential-good/1100-6474857/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:16:24 PM

People who believe in the strawman you just invented need to mainline a stranger's snot ASAP


Wut
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:17:15 PM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/amazon-suspends-stock-intake-of-non-essential-good/1100-6474857/

Saw this earlier

Kind of misleading

Only applies to 3rd party vendor's
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:19:44 PM
Just got word from the boss. Getting moved to part-time until April, with a determination to be made at that point.

Considering that I've got enough saved to ride this out for a little bit, and absolutely no leverage in terms of trying to find another job at this point, I have nothing else to do besides accept it, work within the new world for the next couple of weeks and hope against hope that this gets better. There are plenty of people who are way worse off than I.

I've already discussed with my wife the very real possibility that we need to put the house up, get off of this island and go back to Jersey.
That sucks man, I hope you make it through ok.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:20:46 PM
Saw this earlier

Kind of misleading

Only applies to 3rd party vendor's

I mean

Quote
Amazon notes that it is applying this to its first-party products as well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:24:08 PM
Wut
Bernie Bros don't enjoy or watch Maddow or cable news shows in general, and tend not to focus on the Koch Bro as a specific bad guy.

I know it's difficult for you to parse any beliefs to the left of Milton Friedman but there are some stark divides.

But let's try not to infect another thread with that debate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:25:30 PM
I mean


Ah wasn't in the other article I had read

Interesting
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:26:57 PM
Bernie Bros don't enjoy or watch Maddow or cable news shows in general, and tend not to focus on the Koch Bro as a specific bad guy.

I know it's difficult for you to parse any beliefs to the left of Milton Friedman but there are some stark divides.

But let's try not to infect another thread with that debate.


I was mostly being a dick when I said it responding to over the top exaggerated language

Also I'm not nearly that conservative. I'm more anti the far left if anything
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:29:09 PM
I was mostly being a dick when I said it responding to over the top exaggerated language

Also I'm not nearly that conservative. I'm more anti the far left if anything

Bro if you’re anti-Antifa you’re literally a facist
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
I was mostly being a dick when I said it responding to over the top exaggerated language

Also I'm not nearly that conservative. I'm more anti the far left if anything

shut up and mainline some snot poopchute.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:56:45 PM
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We are at war. In France now, we cannot leave home without filling out a form, swearing on our honor and stating the urgent reason for which we must be outside. (Italy has a similar form, called an auto-certification.) To enforce this new confinement, France is deploying 100,000 police officers to make sure that people are leaving their house only for genuinely pressing needs. (Not since terrorist attacks in 2015 have so many police patrolled the streets.) At first the fine will be 38 euros, but it could go up to 135 euros. “We don’t want to punish people, but we want everyone to have a sense of responsibility,” the interior minister, Christophe Castaner, said today. Responsibility. Sacrifice. War. This is the new vocabulary in France.

People would lose their excrement if this happened here
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
I was also thinking how hilarious mandatory testing ala South Korea would be here and how many people would complain or refuse to comply because Americans are difficult assholes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114362

Orange County shut down - first one of these ive seen enforceable by law

Pretty lengthy list of what “essential activities includes”
Enforceable by fine or imprisonment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 10:17:24 PM
https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114362

Orange County shut down - first one of these ive seen enforceable by law

Pretty lengthy list of what “essential activities includes”
Enforceable by fine or imprisonment.

Did you read it? On quick glance it basically says the same excrement that everyone has been doing regardless.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
Did you read it? On quick glance it basically says the same excrement that everyone has been doing regardless.

I think it covers more than just the bars/restaurants/etc. for example people can’t be going to the beach or playing golf I would assume
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 10:33:45 PM
I think it covers more than just the bars/restaurants/etc. for example people can’t be going to the beach or playing golf I would assume

I meant the list of work places is pretty damn long.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 10:37:35 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21

Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 10:39:34 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21

Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
I'm going in
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
I'm going in
https://youtu.be/uvqJ1mTkEuY
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21

Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me

The story about the outgoing Obama administration and the incoming Trump pandemic strategy tabletop briefing was pretty fucked up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 12:11:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21

Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
unless I misunderstood the article

Seemed like they focused on how bad it would be if we did unrealistically bad levels of nothing about it

I mean by that logic a lot of things would completely decimate the human race
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2020, 12:57:59 AM
unless I misunderstood the article

Seemed like they focused on how bad it would be if we did unrealistically bad levels of nothing about it

I mean by that logic a lot of things would completely decimate the human race

Quote
Now, of course countries won't stand by and do nothing. So the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, this time assuming a "mitigation" strategy: all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing...

...And it does flatten the curve -- but not nearly enough. The death rate from the disease is cut in half, but it still kills 1.1 million Americans all by itself. The peak need for ventilators falls by two-thirds, but it still exceeds the number of ventilators in the US by 8 times.

(https://i.imgur.com/oH4xsa2.png)

We are super duper behind in testing and therefore very far behind in quarantining the infected.  Gotta get those tests out to folks other than basketball players ASAP.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2020, 01:51:34 AM
https://twitter.com/rahm3sh/status/1239965552283488257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1239965552283488257&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231239965552283488257
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2020, 05:23:54 AM
Interesting article definitely worth the read :

http://m.nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 05:48:22 AM
I was also thinking how hilarious mandatory testing ala South Korea would be here and how many people would complain or refuse to comply because Americans are difficult assholes

Quote
So there is a runaway coronavirus patient in Newark. Mayor Baraka says woman tested positive for COVID-19 but did not give her real name/address. Now officials are looking for her and want her to come forward for treatment. "You are putting others at risk," he says
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
“3 out of 4 Nets showed no symptoms”
“Lakers to be be tested Wednesday”

Rich privilege
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 18, 2020, 07:37:12 AM
“NYC considering shelter in place”

freak me as if the supermarket shelves aren’t barren enough
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 08:19:21 AM
Interesting article definitely worth the read :

http://m.nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab

That is an excellent piece.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 08:23:18 AM
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Are there any signs that this coronavirus will kill itself?

This one has a lower pathogenicity. The lower its virulence, the more likely it’ll become part of an endemic, part of a seasonal event. That’s one of the big things that’s going to be a worry. If it does go quiet over the summer months, then the question’s going to be, “Is it still infecting people?” We could be walking around in the middle of summer with influenza viruses, but they’re not active. They’ve just gone quiet. When the right ecology comes into play, it starts getting cold, and damp, then it starts replicating like crazy. If it’s able to park itself, and not kill its host over the summer months, then we’ve got a virus that has all the telltale signatures of establishing itself as part of our normative landscape, much to our detriment.

Cripes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 08:44:18 AM
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WASHINGTON — A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic “will last 18 months or longer” and could include “multiple waves,” resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nation’s health care system.

The 100-page plan, dated Friday, the same day President Trump declared a national emergency, laid out a grim prognosis for the spread of the virus and outlined a response that would activate agencies across the government and potentially employ special presidential powers to mobilize the private sector.

Among the “additional key federal decisions” listed among the options for Mr. Trump was invoking the Defense Production Act of 1950, a Korean War-era law that authorizes a president to take extraordinary action to force American industry to ramp up production of critical equipment and supplies such as ventilators, respirators and protective gear for health care workers.

“Shortages of products may occur, impacting health care, emergency services, and other elements of critical infrastructure,” the plan warned. “This includes potentially critical shortages of diagnostics, medical supplies (including PPE and pharmaceuticals), and staffing in some locations.” P.P.E. refers to personal protective equipment.

The plan continued: “State and local governments, as well as critical infrastructure and communications channels, will be stressed and potentially less reliable. These stresses may also increase the challenges of getting updated messages and coordinating guidance to these jurisdictions directly.”
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.

He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.

He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.

I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.

The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 09:13:34 AM


I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.

He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.

He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.

I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.

The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?

There's no good reason for this kind of thing. Can't really add on to this without going off on a tangent which I know you're all probably tired of.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.

He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.

He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.

I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.

The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?

What absolute horseshit.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 18, 2020, 09:26:47 AM
Interesting article definitely worth the read :

http://m.nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab
“You know that old saw that if you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will leap out. But if you take that same frog and put it in a pot of ambient water and slowly crank up the temperature, it will stay in that water and boil to death. It loses perspective on the changing environment around it. We’re that frog in the ambient water. We’re oblivious to the conditions that have enabled zoonotic viruses to become integrated into us.”

Frightening and direct answers that really neither surprise me or strike me as people should be exercising common sense.
That’s a Q&A every official in the world should read.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 18, 2020, 09:28:56 AM
I’m not getting off anytime soon either Alio, so, see you in hell, lover of the older lady!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
Wonder when we say freak it and just let it spread like the Netherlands.  I guess we'd just sacrifice old and sick people for the economy. If Trump was 35 we'd have already done that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 09:47:09 AM
Wonder when we say freak it and just let it spread like the Netherlands.  I guess we'd just sacrifice old and sick people for the economy. If Trump was 35 we'd have already done that.


Maybe we should stop running 80 year old people for President
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
Maybe we should stop running 80 year old people for President
Naaa
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2020, 10:13:28 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Navy mobilized the USS Comfort and USS Mercy to assist areas that don’t have adequate testing capabilities.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 18, 2020, 10:33:32 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Navy mobilized the USS Comfort and USS Mercy to assist areas that don’t have adequate testing capabilities.
Lol, good call. USS Comfort coming to NY.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 10:39:06 AM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
NC governor issued executive order to ease unemployment benefit restrictions.  I think this would help every state at least some. The order did the following:

Waiving the one-week waiting period to receive benefits;

Allowing applicants to file for benefits if they are subject to reduced hours as well as laid off;

Removing the requirement that recipients have to look for work during the benefits period.

- Employers wont be responsible for benefits paid due to the coronavirus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
I keep seeing posts on Twitter and Reddit of companies putting their employees on “zero hour schedules”.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.

He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.

He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.

I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.

The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?

Breathe on his stuff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 10:50:04 AM
I’m not getting off anytime soon either Alio, so, see you in hell, lover of the older lady!

Gonna be fun!

We can wear "I gave my life to my unimportant job and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" tees together.

There better be whiskey.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 10:52:34 AM
I just spoke with him again. His suggestion was to have the staff work remotely and whoever can come in, come in, as long as there is staff in the office.

So basically, my entire group will just freak right off and stay home, and I'll just keep exposing myself to this excrement.

freak everything.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 10:56:48 AM
I just spoke with him again. His suggestion was to have the staff work remotely and whoever can come in, come in, as long as there is staff in the office.

So basically, my entire group will just freak right off and stay home, and I'll just keep exposing myself to this excrement.

freak everything.
Sounds like you have a cough and should stay home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
Sounds like you have a cough and should stay home.

Unfortunately, I see the value of having a job when this whole thing is over, while other members of my group are like "Whatevs mothafukka!!!"
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 11:05:06 AM
I keep seeing posts on Twitter and Reddit of companies putting their employees on “zero hour schedules”.

Zero hour contracts have been a thing in the UK for a few years, they're basically a way of fudging the unemployment figures and avoiding paying benefits. They're a disgrace.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
Zero hour contracts have been a thing in the UK for a few years, they're basically a way of fudging the unemployment figures and avoiding paying benefits. They're a disgrace.

They were a thing at least in retail for a long time during the tailspin of 08-09. Didn't want to lose the ability to have competent staff in the store, didn't want to guarantee people any sort of minimal hours.

Shame too, I had the best gig at the old Armani Exchange in the Short Hills mall. I was also a lot skinnier when I was in college, had it been now they'd have stuck my fat derriere in the back to do stock work.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2020, 11:46:27 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.

He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.

He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.

I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.

The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?

I would type up my resume after this excrement is over if I were you....freak that company.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
I would type up my resume after this excrement is over if I were you....freak that company.

Just pretty important to make sure you have some kind of unique skill or training that makes you a valuable commodity. Because there's gonna be a hefty chunk of people looking for jobs after this
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
Just pretty important to make sure you have some kind of unique skill or training that makes you a valuable commodity. Because there's gonna be a hefty chunk of people looking for jobs after this

Shouldn’t you be setting up tents instead of shitposting
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
Just pretty important to make sure you have some kind of unique skill or training that makes you a valuable commodity. Because there's gonna be a hefty chunk of people looking for jobs after this

Tech is nothing but a master of disaster capitalism and with it now being abundantly clear that organisations which failed to heed our DR/BC message over the last few years are the ones struggling, I expect a significant wave of tech spending as soon as things ease as organisations scramble to get away from legacy platforms, clunky VPNs and localised data centers.

Internally, the tech industry is finally figuring out that farming out code work to Indian chop shops is a false economy given the attendant cost of debug, integration and support along with an increasing focus on effective devops, and with this current situation only likely to increase the focus on national economic activity I think that experienced programmers and coders are going to be in plenty of demand in North America over the next while.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 12:29:27 PM


I wish I could spend the next month setting up tents
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21

Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me

Big Geezy throwing water on this noise in an AMA

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thisisbillgates
389 points
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22 minutes ago

Fortunately it appears the parameters used in that model were too negative. The experience in China is the most critical data we have. They did their "shut down" and were able to reduce the number of cases. They are testing widely so they see rebounds immediately and so far there have not been a lot. They avoided widespread infection. The Imperial model does not match this experience. Models are only as good as the assumptions put into them. People are working on models that match what we are seeing more closely and they will become a key tool. A group called Institute for Disease Modeling that I fund is one of the groups working with others on this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 01:27:59 PM
Big Geezy throwing water on this noise in an AMA


Is it valid to compare China’s lockdown and testing measures to ours? I agree with what he says about the assumptions on the model otherwise
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
Quote
BREAKING: President Trump says he is invoking the Defense Production Act to mobilize US private production capacity to combat the coronavirus outbreak; HUD "suspending all foreclosures and evictions until the end of April." - NBC News
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
Is it valid to compare China’s lockdown and testing measures to ours?

I wouldn't think so.  I think we're going to feel the hurt on this one much more than China because of our sheer hubris and lackadaisical response to this point but not to the tune of a million dead.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
I wouldn't think so.  I think we're going to feel the hurt on this one much more than China because of our sheer hubris and lackadaisical response to this point but not to the tune of a million dead.   

I think the fact that in China the people have to worry about the government killing them more than the disease is a huge advantage to containing it
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 01:53:16 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1240307949756612608?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
Looks like the gubment may end up cutting two separate $1000 checks to everyone in a stimulus package.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
I wouldn't think so.  I think we're going to feel the hurt on this one much more than China because of our sheer hubris and lackadaisical response to this point but not to the tune of a million dead.   

https://twitter.com/augustsimien/status/1239315758984966144?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 02:08:19 PM
https://twitter.com/augustsimien/status/1239315758984966144?s=21

They are keeping the requisite three feet between themselves. All good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 18, 2020, 02:10:58 PM
They are keeping the requisite three feet between themselves. All good.

did the government release a requisite for being gay that i missed

not talking about you, the dudes in the vid
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
They are keeping the requisite three feet between themselves. All good.

CDC recommends 6ft (sup) and I have reported them to the proper authorities along with UF Chad
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 02:13:01 PM
did the government release a requisite for being gay that i missed

not talking about you, the dudes in the vid

Yeah, it was this: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/opinion-rich-lowry-obamacare-affordable-care-act-pajama-boy-an-insufferable-man-child-101304

How have you been holding up during all of this?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 02:13:29 PM
did the government release a requisite for being gay that i missed

not talking about you, the dudes in the vid

They're kids having fun at Spring Break, there's nothing wrong with dancing. Girls love a guy who can dance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 02:32:13 PM
They're kids having fun at Spring Break, there's nothing wrong with dancing. Girls love a guy who can dance.

Dance it up, it’s not like I wanted to watch Baseball or Football this year
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 18, 2020, 05:02:21 PM
News is that people who have fat cocks are immune so I’m not worried
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 05:12:57 PM


News is that people who are fat cocks are immune so I’m not worried

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 05:16:56 PM
(https://i.redd.it/hsjtmb94hen41.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 05:17:23 PM


News is that people who suck fat cocks are immune so I’m not worried

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
Quote

Italian authorities have pressed charges against more than 40,000 people for violating the lockdown imposed to contain the coronavirus, according to figures from the interior ministry.
While millions of Italians have been staying at home since 9 March, when the prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, imposed a national quarantine, a minority of the population have violated rules requiring citizens to venture out only if strictly necessary, such as for work, health-related reasons or grocery shopping.
Italy reported its biggest daily rise in deaths on Wednesday, with 475 new fatalities. The country now has 35,713 cases – approaching half the total for China, which stands at 81,102.
Police stopped and checked 700,000 citizens between 11 and 17 March, 43,000 of whom were found to have violated the decree, which also ordered the closing of shops, bars, restaurants, gyms and swimming pools.

One of the most serious cases happened in Sciacca, Sicily, when a man who had tested positive for Covid-19 was discovered by police while out shopping, despite the strict order to self-isolate at home. Prosecutors opened an investigation and accused the man of “aiding the epidemic”. If convicted, he could face up to 12 years in prison.

On 10 March a 30-year-old man was stopped by the police in Turin at 2.30am while soliciting a sex worker.
Police near Venice pressed charges against a priest because he was officiating at a funeral. Another priest was reported for the same reason in Torre Annunziata in Campania, together with relatives of the deceased. Funeral services are banned under the decree.
The prosecutor’s office in Aosta, in north-west Italy, opened an investigation against a man for “aggravated attempt to spread the epidemic” because he had not informed his doctors of suspected coronavirus symptoms before undergoing plastic surgery on his nose. The man subsequently tested positive for Covid-19.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
This virus is going to deeply affect the daisy dukes and titty shirts that come out with early warm weather.  I hope the government is prepared to address this important issue.

I know there's a thread for this but I've had wine and can't find it. Pisses me off I can't remember.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 07:49:47 PM
Tampa Mayor closes all beaches, because people are retards that have to be told what to do
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 10:09:39 PM
This virus is going to deeply affect the daisy dukes and titty shirts that come out with early warm weather.  I hope the government is prepared to address this important issue.

I know there's a thread for this but I've had wine and can't find it. Pisses me off I can't remember.
Tit Monday isn't for another month in NYC anyway, usually.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
Quote
For the first time since the novel coronavirus outbreak began late last year, China has reported no new local infections

Great news. Wuhan has been under lockdown since Jan 23, 2020.

Quote
The country reported 34 new cases of coronavirus yesterday -- all imported from overseas.

The milestone represents a turnaround for the Chinese government. Just last month, mainland China was reporting thousands of cases per day, and was considered the most high-risk infection area in the world.

Now, after months of lockdowns and travel restrictions affecting hundreds of millions of citizens, strict home quarantines, and an unprecedented nationwide effort, the country is down to zero reported new locally transmitted cases.

Instead, the threat is now coming from overseas. The number of cases and deaths outside China have exploded in the past two weeks, with the pandemic hitting the US and Europe particularly hard.

If China is any model to go by, these countries could have months to go before reaching zero new local transmissions.

Places like mainland China and Hong Kong are now bracing for a potential second wave of infections, as people return from overseas, bringing the virus with them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 11:34:23 PM
Dow futures flirting with 4 digit loses again tomorrow

Question is whether it's going to rubber band once Italy turns the corner or if it'll wait for the US to do the same
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 12:09:38 AM
There are going to be so many businesses that close because of this. I don't think a lot of people realize that. The service industry is in the process of getting destroyed, which will hurt so many people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 12:47:01 AM
There are going to be so many businesses that close because of this. I don't think a lot of people realize that. The service industry is in the process of getting destroyed, which will hurt so many people.

I think the next 3 months is going to annihilate people on the restaurant industry most of all. Many will go out of business and not much can save them. On the flip side this is one of the rare occasions where Americans being gluttonous fat fucks is a good thing. As as soon as this let's up they'll be rushing out in mass like they've been starved to death.

I think the travel/tourism industry is going to get raped thoguh and take a really really long time to bounce back.

Other than the timing of this being good that it just missed flu season. I think it'll be a huge blessing that tax returns are right around the corner for many. And this happened early enoguh that people haven't spent them on stupid excrement. Getting that many will be lfie changing for many

(and I'm sure the government will either waive or delay money owed for many others)

Edit turns out the average tax return is expected to be 2900

And the IRS will delay any payments due by 3 months

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 02:23:29 AM
https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/las-vegas-strip-club-to-offer-drive-through-peep-show-1985402/

Drive thru strip shows and hand sanitizer wrestling.  Heroes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 07:28:12 AM
At least it's the first day of spring so we should see plenty of people enjoying themselves outdoors
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21

(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.

While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.

The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.

And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2020, 08:36:48 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21

(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.

While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.

The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.

And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.

Sooo...we should avoid going to the pub?

#asking4aFriend
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 08:37:17 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21

(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.

While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.

The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.

And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.

Could have sworn I read something on the same subject suggesting the people 20 to 44 was something like or higher than that 20% figure

May have been this quote I was thinking of

In fact, nearly 40% of U.S. coronavirus patients sick enough to be admitted were aged 20-54, based on the study of the first 2,500 cases in the U.S.

(and yes I realize it's the same data just framed differently)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 09:05:53 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle.  Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 19, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle.  Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.


Definitely more idiots who think they're immune because they're not 85
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 09:09:13 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle.  Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.


The % of people admitted to the ICU suggest that could be the case. However their sample size was stupid small, so I wouldn't extrapolate anything from that data
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 09:09:32 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle.  Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.


Younger people are far more likely to be working in jobs such as retail and hospitality that involve dealing with large amounts of the public, and they're far less likely to be in a financial position to simply stay home, so I make you right.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:10:01 AM
Definitely more idiots who think they're immune because they're not 85

“I’m not gonna die so who cares if I get it” to own the boomers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 09:39:09 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-trump-wants-payments-of-1000-for-adults-500-for-kids.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Quote
Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said he will extend a nationwide lockdown that is weighing on the economy, as coronavirus cases continue to climb in Europe’s worst outbreak with the number of deaths reaching almost 3,000.

The government will maintain its closure of virtually all retailers except for grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations beyond the original March 25 deadline, the premier said in an interview with Corriere della Sera. Schools, which had been scheduled to reopen April 3, will stay closed longer than originally planned.

“We managed to avoid the collapse of the system and the measures are working,” so they will be extended, Conte said. The government is working on a new decree to allow for billions of euros of public investments.

Italy has the world’s second-highest number of diagnosed cases, with more than 35,000 known infections. The government has approved a 25 billion-euro package ($27 billion) to support its strained health system while helping businesses and families counter the economic impact of the lockdown.


The government is now considering tightening the existing restrictions amid concern that many Italians are not respecting rules that confine them to their homes except for reasons related to work, health or emergencies.

“I want to appeal to the sense of responsibility of all citizens,” Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese told daily la Repubblica. “Stay at home, go out only if there is a strict necessity to do so.”

Italian police performed checks on more than 1 million people between March 11 and March 17, Lamorgese said, citing almost 50,000 for failing to respect the rules. Possible new regulations that could be enacted by March 25 include banning all outdoor sports activities, limiting citizens’ rights to go out for walks and closing grocery stores for all or part of the day on Sundays, Repubblica said.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2020, 09:58:39 AM
^ this is my biggest fear.  The idiots of the world not conforming.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 11:19:47 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21

(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.

While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.

The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.

And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.
Up to 20% of people hospitalized encompass an age group spanning 25 years and are the most vulnerable to working in jobs like service, healthcare, and logistics.

Reports also show that Saturday composed 50% of the weekend
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
Up to 20% of people hospitalized encompass an age group spanning 25 years and are the most vulnerable to working in jobs like service, healthcare, and logistics.

Reports also show that Saturday composed 50% of the weekend

I think the highlight of the study was that 40% of the people getting hospitalized are in the age range that thinks they're untouchable
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
100% of all cases of coronavirus are acquired in living people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 11:27:11 AM
I think the highlight of the study was that 40% of the people getting hospitalized are in the age range that thinks they're untouchable
I don’t think people think they’re untouchable, it’s just that they’re extremely likely to recover. My doctors office called me because I had a physical scheduled for end of March that they told me to postpone for obvious reasons and directed me to the local hospital if I had symptoms. I think the hospitalization number is high because people are going there instead of their doctors.

I’d be more interested in seeing the number of people in intensive care or percentage of deaths
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
I don’t think people think they’re untouchable, it’s just that they’re extremely likely to recover. My doctors office called me because I had a physical scheduled for end of March that they told me to postpone for obvious reasons and directed me to the local hospital if I had symptoms. I think the hospitalization number is high because people are going there instead of their doctors.

I’d be more interested in seeing the number of people in intensive care or percentage of deaths

Not giving a freak is basically the same general categories as untouchable.

And the article mentioned 12% of icu patients are 20-44 or whatever.

As a person in that age group I have zero concerns about the disease killing me. What does worry me is the studies that suggest it's possible that you cns permanently lose long capacity. Are they unreliable absolutely. But it's enoguh to concern the freak out of me. Who wants to basically have COPD or emphysema as a young adult
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 11:37:16 AM
Not giving a freak is basically the same general categories as untouchable.

And the article mentioned 12% of icu patients are 20-44 or whatever.

As a person in that age group I have zero concerns about the disease killing me. What does worry me is the studies that suggest it's possible that you cns permanently lose long capacity. Are they unreliable absolutely. But it's enoguh to concern the freak out of me. Who wants to basically have COPD or emphysema as a young adult

Based on the number of people who smoke and/or vape, plenty aren't concerned.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
Too many unknowns with this thing. From what I’ve read even the COVID-19 test is like 30% accurate or something along those lines. I think when the seed of doubt has been planted the paranoia takes over
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 01:27:02 PM
Quote
Despite assurances from Vice President Mike Pence that all Grand Princess cruise ship passengers quarantined at Travis Air Force Base would be tested for COVID-19, The Chronicle has learned that two-thirds of them have declined, often at the encouragement of federal health officials.

As of Wednesday, 568 of the 858 passengers screened while confined turned down the test, a federal official familiar with the Travis quarantine and testing told The Chronicle. The low testing numbers align with what passengers were told by officials during a Tuesday afternoon teleconference, citing a 30% acceptance rate for the novel coronavirus test, several passengers told The Chronicle.

Lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 01:45:57 PM
Trump literally crossed out Corona in Coronavirus to replace it with Chinese so he could use his dog whistle and make them the scapegoat.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 01:54:34 PM
Trump literally crossed out Corona in Coronavirus to replace it with Chinese so he could use his dog whistle and make them the scapegoat.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298

That’s 100% what Trump is doing, but the manufactured outrage is just as dumb

https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:00:50 PM
Trump literally crossed out Corona in Coronavirus to replace it with Chinese so he could use his dog whistle and make them the scapegoat.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298

They are the scapegoat.

The Chinese government is literally trying to shift the blame on the American military for this outbreak and its conclusive that had they actually taken measures to limit the spread, there's a strong likelihood we aren't in the absolute quagmire we're in now.  But of course with all authoritarians (and especially commies) the State is all and must not be compromised by any means necessary. For all we know, they put a bullet in the freaking head of the hero that even notified the WHO about this. Forgive me if I don't believe the Chinese company line that he died from coronavirus after they tried to arrest him and put him on lockdown to silence him.

But sure, kvetch about labeling a virus from its place of origin like how we've been doing for years on end.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
That’s 100% what Trump is doing, but the manufactured outrage is just as dumb

https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081?s=21
So you agree that it's a dogwhistle, but people drawing attention to it are just as dumb? K.

This is the kind of both sides'ism that is ridiculous right now. Calling it the Chinese virus isn't racist, but going out of your way to call it that can incite racism, especially when you're the freaking president.

Also, I only watched the first couple clips in that video, but the first clip was literally Cuomo agreeing with us, and the next few clips were from when the virus first broke and it was still mostly contained to China and Wuhan.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 02:18:57 PM
They are the scapegoat.

The Chinese government is literally trying to shift the blame on the American military for this outbreak and its conclusive that had they actually taken measures to limit the spread, there's a strong likelihood we aren't in the absolute quagmire we're in now.  But of course with all authoritarians (and especially commies) the State is all and must not be compromised by any means necessary. For all we know, they put a bullet in the freaking head of the hero that even notified the WHO about this. Forgive me if I don't believe the Chinese company line that he died from coronavirus after they tried to arrest him and put him on lockdown to silence him.

But sure, kvetch about labeling a virus from its place of origin like how we've been doing for years on end.

Language changes as we learn more. 16 years ago, I would call people gay or fags all the time. Now I never use that as an insult.

China is to blame for the origin of this. Trump and the government's shitty response and messaging from the beginning of this has helped.

China may have taken a dump in the living room, but we never cleaned it up, and now the house stinks and there's a bug infestation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
So you agree that it's a dogwhistle, but people drawing attention to it are just as dumb? K.

This is the kind of both sides'ism that is ridiculous right now. Calling it the Chinese virus isn't racist, but going out of your way to call it that can incite racism, especially when you're the freaking president.

Also, I only watched the first couple clips in that video, but the first clip was literally Cuomo agreeing with us, and the next few clips were from when the virus first broke and it was still mostly contained to China and Wuhan.

No I don't agree its a dogwhistle at all. Maybe you missed the part where I said classifying a virus by its place of origin is something we've been doing for years and years. There is no both sides'ism. It's unequivocal fact; this is the fault of the Chinese government, they've disgustingly tried to shift blame for us, and Trump is now correctly ensuring everyone knows exactly where the culpability lies.

This is a bullshit, manufactured narrative from a dishonest media apparatus that was literally referring to this as the "Wuhan" or "Chinese" virus as recently as six weeks ago, and I for one welcome it. People who are focused on the day to day of surviving through this thing get another example of how dishonest these absolute pieces of excrement are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
No I don't agree its a dogwhistle at all. Maybe you missed the part where I said classifying a virus by its place of origin is something we've been doing for years and years.

That's not really true though, is it? Spanish flu started in either France or the US, bird flu probably started somewhere in Asia, swine flu was first found in Mexico.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:35:50 PM
Fun fact: I grew up a few towns over from Lyme, CT - where Lyme disease originated. People are intelligent enough to figure out that it comes from ticks and not the people that live there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:38:46 PM
That's not really true though, is it? Spanish flu started in either France or the US, bird flu probably started somewhere in Asia, swine flu was first found in Mexico.

At the time the Spanish flu was thought to have originated in Spain, so it was designated as such. I know after the fact there's been a lot of speculation that it was started either here or France. If that was the conventional wisdom at the time, it'd be called Etaples flu, even if that doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well.

Ebola virus-first found by the Ebola River.

Lyme's disease is called Lyme's disease because it originated in Old Lyme Connecticut (and I actually can't tell you how much my mind was blown that it wasn't officially diagnosed as its own condition until 1975. We put man on the moon before we found out about Lyme's disease?!?!).

Honestly, I do not think he'd be pressing this as hard as he is if the Chinese weren't continually trying to absolve themselves of the blame. It's a direct freak you to Xi Jinping. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Lyme
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:55:48 PM
Lyme

There is no plural form, holy excrement. TIL.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:57:19 PM
There is no plural form, holy excrement. TIL.

Not true, there’s Lyme, East Lyme, and Old Lyme.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:57:49 PM
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(Reuters) - The highly contagious novel coronavirus that has exploded into a global pandemic can remain viable and infectious in droplets in the air for hours and on surfaces up to days, according to a new study that should offer guidance to help people avoid contracting the respiratory illness called COVID-19.

Scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, attempted to mimic the virus deposited from an infected person onto everyday surfaces in a household or hospital setting, such as through coughing or touching objects.

They used a device to dispense an aerosol that duplicated the microscopic droplets created in a cough or a sneeze.

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The scientists then investigated how long SARS-CoV-2 remained infectious on these surfaces, according to the study that appeared online in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday - a day in which U.S. COVID-19 cases surged past 5,200 and deaths approached 100.

The tests show that when the virus is carried by the droplets released when someone coughs or sneezes, it remains viable, or able to still infect people, in aerosols for at least three hours.

On plastic and stainless steel, viable virus could be detected after three days. On cardboard, the virus was not viable after 24 hours. On copper, it took 4 hours for the virus to become inactivated.

In terms of half-life, the research team found that it takes about 66 minutes for half the virus particles to lose function if they are in an aerosol droplet.

That means that after another hour and six minutes, three quarters of the virus particles will be essentially inactivated but 25% will still be viable.

The amount of viable virus at the end of the third hour will be down to 12.5%, according to the research led by Neeltje van Doremalen of the NIAID's Montana facility at Rocky Mountain Laboratories.

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On stainless steel, it takes 5 hours 38 minutes for half of the virus particles to become inactive. On plastic, the half-life is 6 hours 49 minutes, researchers found.

On cardboard, the half-life was about three and a half hours, but the researchers said there was a lot of variability in those results "so we advise caution" interpreting that number.

The shortest survival time was on copper, where half the virus became inactivated within 46 minutes.

As part of their experiments, the researchers compared the stability of SARS-CoV-2 to that of SARS-CoV-1 under the same experimental circumstances and found similar results. "This indicates that differences in the epidemiologic characteristics of these viruses probably arise from other factors," they conclude, "including high viral loads in the upper respiratory tract and the potential for persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 to shed and transmit the virus while asymptomatic
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Post by: reuben on March 19, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
The shortest survival time was on copper, where half the virus became inactivated within 46 minutes.

Moscow Mule SZN baby
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
Sean Payton got da funk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2020, 03:31:13 PM


At the time the Spanish flu was thought to have originated in Spain, so it was designated as such. I know after the fact there's been a lot of speculation that it was started either here or France. If that was the conventional wisdom at the time, it'd be called Etaples flu, even if that doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well.

Ebola virus-first found by the Ebola River.

Lyme's disease is called Lyme's disease because it originated in Old Lyme Connecticut (and I actually can't tell you how much my mind was blown that it wasn't officially diagnosed as its own condition until 1975. We put man on the moon before we found out about Lyme's disease?!?!).

Honestly, I do not think he'd be pressing this as hard as he is if the Chinese weren't continually trying to absolve themselves of the blame. It's a direct freak you to Xi Jinping.

No need to bend into pretzels over this, at this point it's just dipshits doing it because they fancy themselves anti-PC or whatever.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
I had no idea Lyme Disease came from Lyme, Connecticut. Granted, I also never thought about it.

Another reason I'm happy I got out of Connecticut.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 04:36:18 PM
I had no idea Lyme Disease came from Lyme, Connecticut. Granted, I also never thought about it.

Another reason I'm happy I got out of Connecticut.

This is incredibly offensive
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 04:38:43 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 06:52:25 PM
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Axios has compiled a timeline of the earliest weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in China, highlighting when the cover-up started and ended — and showing how, during that time, the virus already started spreading around the world, including to the United States.

Why it matters: A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.

This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:
Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.

Dec. 31:
Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.

Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.


Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:
The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.

Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:
The first case announced in South Korea.
Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.

Jan. 21:
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."

Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Oof. That's not good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
China is and presumably will be for quite some time the biggest problem to global stability.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2020, 07:46:16 PM
China is and presumably will be for quite some time the biggest problem to global stability.
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
So there's a bill proposed by the Senate Republicans that would cut a check for $1,200 per person and $2,400 per couple in the U.S.  It would provide minimum payments of $600 (if you wouldn't owe income taxes) and would be phased down at adjusted gross income thresholds of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple. Additionally, there would be $500 payments for each child.

While it would be nice to get a check in the mail, there are several Republicans that aren't keen on doing it this way and I agree.  It would probably be best to pay the money through the unemployment insurance program and in no-interest small business loans to companies for payroll and other necessities so it goes to people who lost work partially or completely because of this and not to people who are still working and unaffected.  Doesn't make sense to give money to people that are unaffected.


Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:08:51 PM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1240820788091109376?s=21

Cali Governor issues “Stay At Home” order for entire state
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:14:32 PM
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Stay home except for essential needs

Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job. If you go out, keep at least 6 feet of distance.


How long will we stay home?
This goes into effect on Thursday, March 19, 2020. The order is in place until further notice.


What can I do? What’s open?
Essential services will remain open such as:

Gas stations
Pharmacies
Food: Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks, convenience stores, take-out and delivery restaurants
Banks
Laundromats/laundry services
Essential state and local government functions will also remain open, including law enforcement and offices that provide government programs and services.

What’s closed?
Dine-in restaurants
Bars and nightclubs
Entertainment venues
Gyms and fitness studios
Public events and gatherings
Convention Centers

Where does this apply?
This is in effect throughout the State of California.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 19, 2020, 09:34:38 PM
I had no idea Lyme Disease came from Lyme, Connecticut. Granted, I also never thought about it.

Another reason I'm happy I got out of Connecticut.

I thought that was common knowledge.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 19, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
“You know that old saw that if you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will leap out. But if you take that same frog and put it in a pot of ambient water and slowly crank up the temperature, it will stay in that water and boil to death. It loses perspective on the changing environment around it. We’re that frog in the ambient water. We’re oblivious to the conditions that have enabled zoonotic viruses to become integrated into us.”

Frightening and direct answers that really neither surprise me or strike me as people should be exercising common sense.
That’s a Q&A every official in the world should read.

Yeah man it's one of the best articles I have read on the virus /pandemic. It doesn't point fingers so much as just give the nuts and bolts of the problem.

Just look at this thread, the Chinese are more apt to point fingers, deflect blame, and build up their country's poor response, while Trump calling it a Chinese virus, poking fun and such. If that's the extent of global dialogue we are well and truly fucked.

I had a manager that was a Vietnam vet, he used to say especially during the 2008 financial crisis everyone is worried about who shot John and not John, as he's bleeding to death. Sometimes, most times, I think that's the world reaction to this.

In my opinion, fix the freaking problem then blame the Chinese, call it the Xi virus when all is said and done, for all the fucks I give. Start acting like the world leader(s) you are and recognize this particular moment is a global event and start acting your part within the world.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 19, 2020, 10:15:27 PM
Yeah man it's one of the best articles I have read on the virus /pandemic. It doesn't point fingers so much as just give the nuts and bolts of the problem.

Just look at this thread, the Chinese are more apt to point fingers, deflect blame, and build up their country's poor response, while Trump calling it a Chinese virus, poking fun and such. If that's the extent of global dialogue we are well and truly fucked.

I had a manager that was a Vietnam vet, he used to say especially during the 2008 financial crisis everyone is worried about who shot John and not John, as he's bleeding to death. Sometimes, most times, I think that's the world reaction to this.

In my opinion, fix the freaking problem then blame the Chinese, call it the Xi virus when all is said and done, for all the fucks I give. Start acting like the world leader(s) you are and recognize this particular moment is a global event and start acting your part within the world.

Agree 100%, especially the last paragraph.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 10:26:08 PM
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A 34-year-old man has died in California after testing positive of coronavirus just days ago, and 2 weeks after visiting Walt Disney World and Universal Studios in Florida ... TMZ has learned.

Jeffrey Ghazarian died Thursday morning at a Pasadena hospital after spending 5 days hooked up to a ventilator and battling for his life ... according to his family.

His sister says ... "He suffered a lot and put up a good fight. We will miss our Jeff everyday but we are thankful for all the fun happy memories of the times we had together."

Jeff's timeline regarding his COVID-19 infection is terrifying and should be eye-opening for people of all ages. According to his family, he flew from L.A. to Orlando on March 2 for a work conference, but stayed a few extra days to visit Disney World and Universal theme parks with friends.

We're told on March 7 he developed a cough, and the next day he coughed up blood. He flew back to LAX on March 9 ... and immediately went to the ER, where he also had a high fever.

The family says a chest x-ray confirmed Jeff had pneumonia, and he was tested for COVID-19 and sent home with fluids and antibiotics and instructed to self-quarantine until he got the results back.

We're told the results came back positive on March 13, and Jeff was provided a portable oxygen meter to keep an eye on his levels ... which took a turn for the worse that afternoon.

On March 14 he was taken by ambulance to the hospital and quickly transferred to the ICU when it was discovered his lungs were 60-70 percent blocked with pneumonia. Doctors decided the best path forward was to sedate and intubate, hoping a ventilator would help his lungs heal.

Sadly -- and despite the family claiming he was approved for antiviral meds -- the medication was delayed in getting to him, he took a turn for the worse ... and passed away Thursday morning.

It appears Jeffrey was higher-risk patient. He had a history of asthma and frequent bronchitis as a child, though he outgrew that. He also had undergone surgery for testicular cancer back in 2016.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
Yeah man it's one of the best articles I have read on the virus /pandemic. It doesn't point fingers so much as just give the nuts and bolts of the problem.

Just look at this thread, the Chinese are more apt to point fingers, deflect blame, and build up their country's poor response, while Trump calling it a Chinese virus, poking fun and such. If that's the extent of global dialogue we are well and truly fucked.

I had a manager that was a Vietnam vet, he used to say especially during the 2008 financial crisis everyone is worried about who shot John and not John, as he's bleeding to death. Sometimes, most times, I think that's the world reaction to this.

In my opinion, fix the freaking problem then blame the Chinese, call it the Xi virus when all is said and done, for all the fucks I give. Start acting like the world leader(s) you are and recognize this particular moment is a global event and start acting your part within the world.

Exactly. China can be at fault. We can blame China. They fucked up because they have an awful government who lies to the people to try to make themselves look as good as possible. Then it spread here, and we fucked up because we have an awful government who lies to the people to try to make themselves look as good as possible. Going out of his way to call it the Chinese Virus means he is just blaming China, and it makes it look like he's not taking it seriously enough. And when half of his campaign has been built on blaming non-white people for all of the issues in America, it also makes it look racist, whether it is or not.

Right now, nobody gives a excrement whose fault it is. Sure, people like me are happy to throw blame Trump because he's a fuckhead who deserves it, but I really just want this excrement to go away. Don't blame China, be honest with us, and lead us out of this crisis. That's what a real president would do. That's what Obama would do. That's what Bush would do. I didn't like Bush at all, but despite his flaws, he at least put on a strong face during 9/11. Trump can't even do that.

Now, we need to fix it and curb the spread. I'm happy California is locking down. It was in a de facto lockdown for the last few days anyway with so many places closed. Smart people like me stayed inside except for getting essential goods like food and weed. Now the stupid people are forced to live the same way. Of course, I'm a hypocrite since I went to a concert last week when I knew this was an issue, but I also knew I was going to basically quarantine myself when it was over, and I have.

Granted, I saw a video that people in San Francisco are still allowed outside and on the beach for exercise. I think that's fine because we do need some level of freedom, but stupid people are still going to stupid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 19, 2020, 10:52:42 PM
Coronavirus treatment in Italian hospital

https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2020, 11:15:01 PM
Coronavirus treatment in Italian hospital

https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)

That is terrifying
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2020, 12:07:07 AM
It's got the potential to be so much worse than that here too

All their medical personnel are effectively wearing hazmat suits

In the US these people have freaking nothing

People at Stony Brook are telling me how they have patients going into full codes with only one person going into the room because nobody has masks or any protective gear.

Medical personnel from this could end up being like 9/11 rescue workers having major problems the rest of their lives if any of this excrement about lung scarring/damage is true
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 20, 2020, 12:28:08 AM
What I hope is that mutation and spread of this weakens the virus to the point that hospitalization becomes much more limited. I can’t speak to the current state of the coronavirus but my understanding is that it’s at its worst at its original jump from animal to human. After that the spread from human to human is o the scale of virility vs mortality in the sense that a virus has a difficult time spreading if its host is more susceptible to death/serious illness.

Again I think the biggest problem is that we know so little about positive cases and long term implications but my hope is this has turned the corner.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:29:34 AM
https://twitter.com/snackvampire/status/1240499194537766914?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:32:25 AM
What I hope is that mutation and spread of this weakens the virus to the point that hospitalization becomes much more limited. I can’t speak to the current state of the coronavirus but my understanding is that it’s at its worst at its original jump from animal to human. After that the spread from human to human is o the scale of virility vs mortality in the sense that a virus has a difficult time spreading if its host is more susceptible to death/serious illness.

Again I think the biggest problem is that we know so little about positive cases and long term implications but my hope is this has turned the corner.

What is this based on? The jump from animal to human was in 2019. From what you’ve seen what leads you to believe this is getting better?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 20, 2020, 06:34:52 AM
What is this based on? The jump from animal to human was in 2019. From what you’ve seen what leads you to believe this is getting better?
From people like you spreading hysteria
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:36:24 AM
From people like you spreading hysteria

No hysteria, just fax
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:57:00 AM
Italy’s death toll has overtaken China’s. China has roughly 24x more people than Italy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 07:04:27 AM
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She lost her mother, two brothers and a sister to coronavirus within a week


(CNN) Elizabeth Fusco was still grieving her oldest sister's death when she got another call this week. Her oldest brother had died, too.

While she was on the phone with the hospital Wednesday, she heard her mother coding in the background and the doctors' frantic activity to save her, she told CNN. Her mother did not make it.

A day later, on Thursday, another brother died, leaving the shocked New Jersey family mourning the loss of a mother and two brothers within a week and a sister who died six days prior -- all victims of the coronavirus that has killed 195 people in the US.

Her mother and the family matriarch, Grace Fusco, 73, of Freehold, New Jersey, died Wednesday this week after being diagnosed with the coronavirus.

Her brother, Carmine Fusco, had died just before their mother on the same day, according to The New York Times. A day later, on Thursday, another brother, Vincent Fusco Jr., died, a family member said.

Her oldest sister, Rita Fusco-Jackson, had died on March 13, The Times reported. All the children were in their 50s and it's unclear whether they had underlying health issues.

...

In addition to the deaths, three other relatives are hospitalized in New Jersey and 19 other family members have been tested for the virus and are anxiously awaiting results, said Roseann Paradiso Fodera, the mother's cousin. They include children, parents and grandchildren, and are quarantined together.

"This is an unbearable tragedy for the family," Paradiso Fodera said. "The family's biggest concern is that we have four members of one family who have passed, two on life support and one stable," Paradiso Fodera said.

The infections appeared to have originated from a family dinner this month, according to The Times, which first reported the story. It said the first person to die from coronavirus in New Jersey had attended that gathering.

New Jersey

Keep your families safe, people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 07:08:59 AM
I know that coronaviruses (viri? virii? virae?) are believed to have their origins in the bat population, but I thought that the bat soup as cause of this theory had been dispelled?

https://twitter.com/steveavonloor/status/1240802240128069632?s=21

NSFL
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 09:01:27 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/how-one-elite-new-york-medical-provider-got-its-patients-coronavirus-tests.html

As U.S. authorities scrambled to ramp up the nation’s capacity to test for coronavirus last week, at least 100 executives and other New Yorkers of means had easy access to testing, according to two sources familiar with the activities of a little-known medical service catering to the affluent.

These people paid a $5,000-a-year membership fee for a medical concierge service in New York City called Sollis Health, which worked with Enzo Clinical Labs Inc to test its members for COVID-19, according to the sources.

The arrangement gave members, which include people in finance, entertainment, advertising and media industries, access to the tests at home at a time New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said the state had the capacity to test just a few hundred patients a day. The two sources declined to provide the identities of the people the company tested for coronavirus and Reuters could not establish them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 20, 2020, 09:13:12 AM
astonishing how many people in the world have been thinking of this as a hoax and an annoyance simply because they're not in the advertised 'high risk over 60 with other medical problems' group.

it doesn't matter whether you're in that group or not, you can still get the virus and get very sick from it. will it kill you? i don't know, probably not. but that doesn't mean that your survival didn't occur without the expenditure of extensive human and medical resources to make sure you're alive.

i can guarantee you all of the people downplaying the virus have never had to deal with the physical and mental stress of trying to stabilize a patient in respiratory compromise with their body literally shutting down in front of you. it's not fun, it's hard, it's stressful, it sucks

people who are hospitalized with the virus, survive, and make it out don't become one of the death statistics. fine. but it doesn't recount the severity of their condition if they were hospitalized in the ICU and required stabilization with high flow nasal cannula, bipap, or venting, or how bad their ABG or respiratory status looked like for a time even despite the use of high level supportive equipment, which is in finite quantity

all of this has a substantial effect on the healthcare delivery system. there are people other than coronavirus patients needing hospitalization requiring providers, meds, and some of this supportive equipment. if the outbreak becomes bad enough to the point that these hospitals cannot provide care due to the sheer number of cases they have to deal with, it's not just the coronavirus patients that suffer, it's all patients that suffer. i cannot stress this enough. i cannot comment on the economic ramifications of the shutdown on the financial security of many people across the country as it is not my arena, and i can only imagine that many people are going to lose their businesses, savings etc and how hard that's going to be. but my immediate thought is that at least they'll be alive to see it through, whether good or bad. with the coronavirus, too many people have the potential to die NOW, and not just those with the coronavirus.

even having to use something like high flow or bipap to stabilize a patient has insane consequences. these machines freaking aerosolize every freaking thing that patient has and any coronavirus patient that needs these things to survive has the chance to infect anybody in the room present with them at that time

like DCM already mentioned, some hospitals are switching to systems during rapids and codes where only 1-2 people enter the room to try and mitigate the spread of infecting an entire room of 15-20 providers helping a crashing patient. having been in these rooms many times i can tell you that often that amount of manpower is needed to try and help stabilize the patient. if the patient does not have access to that help because of this virus, that patient is dying

vents are technically closed circuits so the risk of aerosolizing is not as much of an issue, but vents are in limited quantity. already some hospitals in NY are running out of vents, hospitals in america are finding ways to macguyver this excrement and use one vent to ventilate and share between multiple infected patients which seems freaking unreal, other places are talking about intubating a patient and protecting their airway, without a hooked up 'vent', and having med students take shifts ventilating and oxygenating the patient manually with bag-valve masks as a contingency once the vents run out.

anesthesiologists who are exposed to these patients during the intubation process are exposed to every freaking thing in that patients mouth and are dropping left and right from being infected during this process. quarantining healthcare workers becomes an issue when you need man power to help care for some of these critically ill patients. calling in orthopedists, radiologists, dermatologists to try to manage a critically ill patient on a freaking vent which is something they are literally not trained to do is obviously not an ideal situation, but it's happened in some places, and it's what we're trying to prevent.

i have friends at NY programs who have been hit pretty hard and it sounds horrible. even if tested positive, some of these programs are telling their employees to come in if they feel 'well' enough to work because the situation there has literally gotten 'all hands on deck'. my hospital has not reached that level yet but it's going to within the next couple of weeks. i was already working 60-80 hour weeks on the regular on a fixed salary, and have actually been scheduled to come in for MORE, not less shifts, during this time because of how bad this thing is going to get. hospitals during this time of year and the colder months are already near close to full capacity without a global pandemic in the backdrop. i'm going to get the virus, and i fully expect to be told to come in if i feel well enough to work. when it gets really bad, i don't think hospital networks will make a big deal about testing their employees to confirm whether they have it or not, if manpower is needed. what's the point? and on top of this, we still don't have enough available tests or tests that come back

the hospital environment during this time is tense. people are scared, people are worried, people are being extra cautious. i've seen work stations being completely wiped down by one person after another person has finished using them, in another time this may seem completely freaking over the top but no offense is obviously being taken. i know of a few people that have had a hard time dealing with the stress/anxiety of all this stuff, but it's whatever. we need to come in
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 20, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
I don’t think people think they’re untouchable, it’s just that they’re extremely likely to recover. My doctors office called me because I had a physical scheduled for end of March that they told me to postpone for obvious reasons and directed me to the local hospital if I had symptoms. I think the hospitalization number is high because people are going there instead of their doctors.

I’d be more interested in seeing the number of people in intensive care or percentage of deaths

regarding the hospitalization component, this is not true. hospital networks that want to be financially successful have already been programmed to not admit unless absolutely necessary, to allow for optimal inpatient beds to allow for admissions with diagnosis codes that actually meet inpatient criteria so that they can be reimbursed fully by insurance companies, who won't pay if they feel the hospital admitted for no damn reason.

low risk infected patients who do not need oxygen, have stable vital signs, do not need higher level care are told to go home and self-quarantine. they are not admitted to a hospital that they don't need to be admitted to and pose a risk to infect other patients and workers for no reason. they won't be admitted unless they absolutely need to stay as bed availability is at a premium.

hospitalization numbers in theory won't be higher because more people are going to the hospital. already some places in america are setting up 'tents' outside their EDs to screen for patients that are worried about coronavirus, and whether they even need to be seen in the ED vs okay to go home, way before any sort of admission is considered for these patients.

if hospitalization numbers are high, it's because the number of patients who need to be in the hospital due to instability and the necessity of inpatient treatments/higher level oxygen delivery is high, not because PCPs are telling their patients not to come to their outpatient office visits.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 09:31:21 AM
Thank you for the info DS. Some people still aren’t getting it. You’re a warrior, I can’t imagine having to set foot in an overwhelmed hospital right now let alone be exposed to covid19 positive patients on a daily basis. We all owe you several beers at the next tailgate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 09:40:41 AM
From people like you spreading hysteria

Better to spread hysteria than to spread the virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 09:41:23 AM
astonishing how many people in the world have been thinking of this as a hoax and an annoyance simply because they're not in the advertised 'high risk over 60 with other medical problems' group.

it doesn't matter whether you're in that group or not, you can still get the virus and get very sick from it. will it kill you? i don't know, probably not. but that doesn't mean that your survival didn't occur without the expenditure of extensive human and medical resources to make sure you're alive.

i can guarantee you all of the people downplaying the virus have never had to deal with the physical and mental stress of trying to stabilize a patient in respiratory compromise with their body literally shutting down in front of you. it's not fun, it's hard, it's stressful, it sucks

people who are hospitalized with the virus, survive, and make it out don't become one of the death statistics. fine. but it doesn't recount the severity of their condition if they were hospitalized in the ICU and required stabilization with high flow nasal cannula, bipap, or venting, or how bad their ABG or respiratory status looked like for a time even despite the use of high level supportive equipment, which is in finite quantity

all of this has a substantial effect on the healthcare delivery system. there are people other than coronavirus patients needing hospitalization requiring providers, meds, and some of this supportive equipment. if the outbreak becomes bad enough to the point that these hospitals cannot provide care due to the sheer number of cases they have to deal with, it's not just the coronavirus patients that suffer, it's all patients that suffer. i cannot stress this enough. i cannot comment on the economic ramifications of the shutdown on the financial security of many people across the country as it is not my arena, and i can only imagine that many people are going to lose their businesses, savings etc and how hard that's going to be. but my immediate thought is that at least they'll be alive to see it through, whether good or bad. with the coronavirus, too many people have the potential to die NOW, and not just those with the coronavirus.

even having to use something like high flow or bipap to stabilize a patient has insane consequences. these machines freaking aerosolize every freaking thing that patient has and any coronavirus patient that needs these things to survive has the chance to infect anybody in the room present with them at that time

like DCM already mentioned, some hospitals are switching to systems during rapids and codes where only 1-2 people enter the room to try and mitigate the spread of infecting an entire room of 15-20 providers helping a crashing patient. having been in these rooms many times i can tell you that often that amount of manpower is needed to try and help stabilize the patient. if the patient does not have access to that help because of this virus, that patient is dying

vents are technically closed circuits so the risk of aerosolizing is not as much of an issue, but vents are in limited quantity. already some hospitals in NY are running out of vents, hospitals in america are finding ways to macguyver this excrement and use one vent to ventilate and share between multiple infected patients which seems freaking unreal, other places are talking about intubating a patient and protecting their airway, without a hooked up 'vent', and having med students take shifts ventilating and oxygenating the patient manually with bag-valve masks as a contingency once the vents run out.

anesthesiologists who are exposed to these patients during the intubation process are exposed to every freaking thing in that patients mouth and are dropping left and right from being infected during this process. quarantining healthcare workers becomes an issue when you need man power to help care for some of these critically ill patients. calling in orthopedists, radiologists, dermatologists to try to manage a critically ill patient on a freaking vent which is something they are literally not trained to do is obviously not an ideal situation, but it's happened in some places, and it's what we're trying to prevent.

i have friends at NY programs who have been hit pretty hard and it sounds horrible. even if tested positive, some of these programs are telling their employees to come in if they feel 'well' enough to work because the situation there has literally gotten 'all hands on deck'. my hospital has not reached that level yet but it's going to within the next couple of weeks. i was already working 60-80 hour weeks on the regular on a fixed salary, and have actually been scheduled to come in for MORE, not less shifts, during this time because of how bad this thing is going to get. hospitals during this time of year and the colder months are already near close to full capacity without a global pandemic in the backdrop. i'm going to get the virus, and i fully expect to be told to come in if i feel well enough to work. when it gets really bad, i don't think hospital networks will make a big deal about testing their employees to confirm whether they have it or not, if manpower is needed. what's the point? and on top of this, we still don't have enough available tests or tests that come back

the hospital environment during this time is tense. people are scared, people are worried, people are being extra cautious. i've seen work stations being completely wiped down by one person after another person has finished using them, in another time this may seem completely freaking over the top but no offense is obviously being taken. i know of a few people that have had a hard time dealing with the stress/anxiety of all this stuff, but it's whatever. we need to come in

solid post...and keep fighting the good fight, DS. I for one, am thankful for health care folks like yourselves. Stay Safe, my friend.

EDIT: SFD is correct, your drinks are on us at the next tailgate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2020, 09:51:02 AM
regarding the hospitalization component, this is not true. hospital networks that want to be financially successful have already been programmed to not admit unless absolutely necessary, to allow for optimal inpatient beds to allow for admissions with diagnosis codes that actually meet inpatient criteria so that they can be reimbursed fully by insurance companies, who won't pay if they feel the hospital admitted for no damn reason.

low risk infected patients who do not need oxygen, have stable vital signs, do not need higher level care are told to go home and self-quarantine. they are not admitted to a hospital that they don't need to be admitted to and pose a risk to infect other patients and workers for no reason. they won't be admitted unless they absolutely need to stay as bed availability is at a premium.

hospitalization numbers in theory won't be higher because more people are going to the hospital. already some places in america are setting up 'tents' outside their EDs to screen for patients that are worried about coronavirus, and whether they even need to be seen in the ED vs okay to go home, way before any sort of admission is considered for these patients.

if hospitalization numbers are high, it's because the number of patients who need to be in the hospital due to instability and the necessity of inpatient treatments/higher level oxygen delivery is high, not because PCPs are telling their patients not to come to their outpatient office visits.

A family friend is an infectious disease nurse in south jersey, the tents are already being set up.

Stay safe DS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 10:05:11 AM
I have a client who is a retiring nurse outside of Baltimore.  Her coordinator assigned her to go work a COVID drive-thru station and she went home instead.

I don't blame her.  She's 66 years old and scheduled to retire on April 31st. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 10:49:10 AM
Quote
#BREAKING: I will sign an Executive Order mandating that 100% of workforce must stay home, excluding essential services.

This order excludes pharmacies, grocery stores, and others.

Cuomo
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Cuomo

oh no....Lombardi's pizza!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 10:58:05 AM


solid post...and keep fighting the good fight, DS. I for one, am thankful for health care folks like yourselves. Stay Safe, my friend.

EDIT: SFD is correct, your drinks are on everyone but MBGreen because he won't be there at the next tailgate.

Fyp

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 10:59:03 AM

Fyp



i need you to self-isolate your farts before i step back into New Jersey
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
i need you to self-isolate your farts before i step back into New Jersey
No, you will bask in the glory.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
No, you will bask in the glory.

veto
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
#BREAKING: I will sign an Executive Order mandating that 100% of workforce must stay home, excluding essential services.

This order excludes pharmacies, grocery stores, and others.

https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962 (https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962)

Quote
“Due to the products we carry that enable and enhance our customers’ experience in working from home, we believe GameStop is classified as essential retail and therefore is able to remain open during this time,” the retailer said in a memo to staff this afternoon, obtained by Kotaku.

“We have received reports of local authorities visiting stores in an attempt to enforce closure despite our classification. Store Managers are approved to provide the document linked below to law enforcement as needed.”

Don't ever buy anything from these cunts ever again.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962 (https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962)

Don't ever buy anything from these cunts ever again.

That is completely disgusting.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
lmao @ Gamestop

That place will eventually close down due to online sales
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 12:57:54 PM
https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1241055679785426946?s=21

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker plans to issue a “shelter-in-place” order for the entire state starting Saturday, sources tell the Tribune
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Hemi on March 20, 2020, 01:31:38 PM
NJ cant be far behind...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 01:38:15 PM
https://twitter.com/drivandalism/status/1241061903683801090?s=21
https://twitter.com/em_resus/status/1240654295894294530?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: klaximilian on March 20, 2020, 01:55:03 PM
Cuomo

About damn time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: klaximilian on March 20, 2020, 01:57:47 PM
https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962 (https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962)

Don't ever buy anything from these cunts ever again.

Someone should tell these faggots that you can download games.

Whoever made this comment needs to be lit on fire, then doused in gasoline to finish the job.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 20, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
this piece of excrement president you americans have
https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1241041962871881728
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
this piece of excrement president you americans have
https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1241041962871881728

If it were a TV show that would be pretty funny.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 02:45:28 PM
CT just shut it down
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 02:50:50 PM
"Liquor Stores will stay open"

W
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 20, 2020, 03:10:14 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/covid-19-recovery-rates-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Hemi on March 20, 2020, 03:21:03 PM
NJ to shut down possibly tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Hemi on March 20, 2020, 03:24:59 PM
Our company president emailed us all yesterday to let us know we are an essential business and will continue to operate. I consider myself blessed in that fact as I know many others will be affected including my own family members
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 20, 2020, 03:38:51 PM
I don’t like getting political, but what a maniac this guy is (and the reporter who asked him the ridiculous question).


At Thursday's coronavirus press briefing, Trump smeared The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post.

"They're very dishonest," Trump claimed.

Trump then praised a far-right media outlet, saying it is "very good" and noting, "They treat me very nicely."

The right-wing personality from that media outlet falsely said major newsrooms had "teamed up" with the Chinese Communist Party to attack Trump.

The person then asked, "Is it alarming that major media players that just oppose you are consistently siding with foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals and Latin gangs and cartels?"

Instead of rebuking the right-wing personality for the question, Trump on Thursday boasted that he had canceled the White House's subscriptions to the country's major newspapers.

"It amazes me when I read the things that I read," Trump said Thursday. "It amazes me when I read The Wall Street Journal which is so negative and The New York Times, I barely read it. We don't distribute it in the White House, and the same with The Washington Post.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMCmVnTeL4pTbTXLr3ZNTqkqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowocv1CjCSptoCMPrTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/covid-19-recovery-rates-intl/index.html

Some interesting stats in there, the preponderance of men dying over women particularly jumped out. I wonder if China and also Italy have those numbers impacted by the prevalence of smoking - when you think of the nationalities most likely to have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth those two would be towards the top of the list, I think, and more slanted towards men than women. If your lungs are already impeded in their operation it would be unsurprising if your chances of being killed by a nasty respiratory infection exponentially increase.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 03:52:52 PM
Some interesting stats in there, the preponderance of men dying over women particularly jumped out. I wonder if China and also Italy have those numbers impacted by the prevalence of smoking - when you think of the nationalities most likely to have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth those two would be towards the top of the list, I think, and more slanted towards men than women. If your lungs are already impeded in their operation it would be unsurprising if your chances of being killed by a nasty respiratory infection exponentially increase.

I can't imagine how awful the air quality is in China. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
I can't imagine how awful the air quality is in China. 

That will definitely be a factor as well, I'm sure. Northern Italy where the real outbreak is is also more industrial than the south, but I don't know enough about the area to claim with any conviction that it could be a factor there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2020, 04:00:11 PM
Why hasn't this thing gone off like an atom bomb in India?  Climate?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
Why hasn't this thing gone off like an atom bomb in India?  Climate?

That could be and I believe with my extensive medical training (two full runs through every season of House and most of ER until they killed Goose) that it is a significant factor, but probably also things like reporting and low amounts of travel are part of it as well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
https://t.co/FO4rbzuCs3
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 20, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
"Liquor Stores will stay open"

W

I can't imagine what it's like to live in an area where Trillium and Bissel Brothers will deliver you amazing freaking beer.

Alas...I live in excrement hole NJ counting the days until I can GTFO
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
https://t.co/FO4rbzuCs3

I saw a link from The Hill this afternoon saying that a majority of Americans now approve of how Trump has handled the response to COVID. Let's see how that plays out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2020, 04:42:57 PM
From what I read the climate thing isn't as big of a factor. Cold weather makes people more vulnerable (ie the flu). It seems that the reason India has done so well is tourism isn't as big there and they've been particularly strict about screening and locking down travelers.

I'll concede I know nothing about the Indian govt, but it sounds like they've been able to do a better job at keeping people the freak out
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2020, 04:45:50 PM
I saw a link from The Hill this afternoon saying that a majority of Americans now approve of how Trump has handled the response to COVID. Let's see how that plays out.

Surprisingly democrats have been fairly happy we ith Trumps response. I know they Omar Illhanki chick from Minnesota or some excrement was praising him. And she's one of his biggest critics.

Trump was absolutely an ignorant freaking idiot who poopooed the whole thing early on. But people ignore the guy has a very liberal side and occasionally likes to be a populist big govt kinda dude especially when it comes to spending.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
The people around Trump are doing a good job.  When he speaks at the briefings he's like a seagull squawking and shitting all over everything and flying away to leave everyone else to clean up after him.  That dumbass is trying to talk about medications and treatments he can't pronounce like he's some sort of part time Doogie Howser.  He's like Booger McFarland at press conferences.  Everyone cringes when he opens his stupid yapper and hopes he doesn't say something retarded, even though he always does.

The country would be much better off if he stayed in his office and let the professionals do the talking and just sign the freaking orders they tell him to. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 05:17:38 PM
The people around Trump are doing a good job.  When he speaks at the briefings he's like a seagull squawking and shitting all over everything and flying away to leave everyone else to clean up after him.  That dumbass is trying to talk about medications and treatments he can't pronounce like he's some sort of part time Doogie Howser.  He's like Booger McFarland at press conferences.  Everyone cringes when he opens his stupid yapper and hopes he doesn't say something retarded, even though he always does.

The country would be much better off if he stayed in his office and let the professionals do the talking and just sign the freaking orders they tell him to. 
This. Trump is an poopchute and he has done a dogshit job from the jump.

The more be opens his mouth, the less confident any Americans feel. And when he brings other people up there to relentlessly thank the fuhrer, it makes everything look worse.

I'll give him this, at least he is somewhat serious about this now. Several weeks too late. So he is almost doing the bare minimum now. And he still lies constantly and undermines health professionals. But it is too late now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 20, 2020, 05:20:58 PM
solid post...and keep fighting the good fight, DS. I for one, am thankful for health care folks like yourselves. Stay Safe, my friend.

EDIT: SFD is correct, your drinks are on us at the next tailgate.

You're not going, so don't volunteer our dollars you dick.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 05:22:44 PM
You're not going, so don't volunteer our dollars you dick.
Will you be buying him appetizers?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
You're not going, so don't volunteer our dollars you dick.
I’ll volunteer all your dollars plus interest
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
This. Trump is an poopchute and he has done a dogshit job from the jump.

The more be opens his mouth, the less confident any Americans feel. And when he brings other people up there to relentlessly thank the fuhrer, it makes everything look worse.

I'll give him this, at least he is somewhat serious about this now. Several weeks too late. So he is almost doing the bare minimum now. And he still lies constantly and undermines health professionals. But it is too late now.

Jesus christ dude, what nonsense. 

We get it, you don't like him and you've bought, hook line and sinker total falsehoods like "half his campaign was built on blaming non-whites for the problems for this country" or whatever the freak that stupidity was. I was going to continue to hold my tongue but the "Derp derp fuhrer" excrement is just so historically ignorant and the implication is that me and mine are stupid enough to follow a wannabe Hitler, is hilarious considering your idiotic fawning on how Obama would've handled this.

You ever consider he's been serious and publicly downplayed it because to have sounded alarm bells three weeks ago would've hastened the economic tailspin we find ourselves in now? Or that maybe you're in the minority in thinking he's doing a excrement job? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570

The fact of the matter is he could conjure up a cure in front of your eyes and you'd be blaming him for not coming up with one sooner. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
Paging SFD

https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1241033463991435264?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 20, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
Lol. They’ve given me a placard to put in my car that confirms I’m an *** employee in case I get stopped by the cops starting on Monday. excrement’s getting real.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Paging SFD

https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1241033463991435264?s=19

Richest area in CT and the story is not even slightly surprising

Edit: whenever you hear Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. bought a house in Connecticut it’s always in the same cluster of towns in this area
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 08:27:56 PM
You ever consider he's been serious and publicly downplayed it because to have sounded alarm bells three weeks ago would've hastened the economic tailspin we find ourselves in now? Or that maybe you're in the minority in thinking he's doing a excrement job? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570

The fact of the matter is he could conjure up a cure in front of your eyes and you'd be blaming him for not coming up with one sooner. 
I agree that he publicly downplayed it because he thought it would help the economy in the short term. He wanted this all to go away on its own (from 15 people to 0 people) despite what experts were telling him. He thought that by downplaying it publicly, it would be a bandaid for the economy.

But I also don't think he thought this would be a big deal. A lot of Americans probably felt the same way, but he's the president. It's his responsibility, even if he wants to say it isn't. People in intelligence knew this was going to be a problem if it got to America.

And we know that people in the government also thought that because we have two senators caught dumping stocks right around this time.

And in the end, we still had the economic tailspin. Maybe he delayed it 3 weeks, but by delyaing it 3 weeks, he may have extended this for months. The best thing for the economy would have been to be more serious about this from the beginning, rather than politicizing it and calling it a hoax. It would have hurt the economy earlier, but we also would have climbed out of it earlier.

I hate Pence, too. He probably has some warped religious ideology about this disease. But he would be a 10x better leader than Trump during this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 08:33:00 PM
Richest area in CT and the story is not even slightly surprising

Edit: whenever you hear Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. bought a house in Connecticut it’s always in the same cluster of towns in this area
I am not surprised at all. I think if they moved it to the Main Line in Philly, they might do the same thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2020, 09:35:59 PM
Richest area in CT and the story is not even slightly surprising

Edit: whenever you hear Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. bought a house in Connecticut it’s always in the same cluster of towns in this area
Thanks I hate it(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200321/baf7d945c6d79f893e92da9d767523aa.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2020, 12:04:01 AM
astonishing how many people in the world have been thinking of this as a hoax and an annoyance simply because they're not in the advertised 'high risk over 60 with other medical problems' group.

it doesn't matter whether you're in that group or not, you can still get the virus and get very sick from it. will it kill you? i don't know, probably not. but that doesn't mean that your survival didn't occur without the expenditure of extensive human and medical resources to make sure you're alive.

i can guarantee you all of the people downplaying the virus have never had to deal with the physical and mental stress of trying to stabilize a patient in respiratory compromise with their body literally shutting down in front of you. it's not fun, it's hard, it's stressful, it sucks

people who are hospitalized with the virus, survive, and make it out don't become one of the death statistics. fine. but it doesn't recount the severity of their condition if they were hospitalized in the ICU and required stabilization with high flow nasal cannula, bipap, or venting, or how bad their ABG or respiratory status looked like for a time even despite the use of high level supportive equipment, which is in finite quantity

all of this has a substantial effect on the healthcare delivery system. there are people other than coronavirus patients needing hospitalization requiring providers, meds, and some of this supportive equipment. if the outbreak becomes bad enough to the point that these hospitals cannot provide care due to the sheer number of cases they have to deal with, it's not just the coronavirus patients that suffer, it's all patients that suffer. i cannot stress this enough. i cannot comment on the economic ramifications of the shutdown on the financial security of many people across the country as it is not my arena, and i can only imagine that many people are going to lose their businesses, savings etc and how hard that's going to be. but my immediate thought is that at least they'll be alive to see it through, whether good or bad. with the coronavirus, too many people have the potential to die NOW, and not just those with the coronavirus.

even having to use something like high flow or bipap to stabilize a patient has insane consequences. these machines freaking aerosolize every freaking thing that patient has and any coronavirus patient that needs these things to survive has the chance to infect anybody in the room present with them at that time

like DCM already mentioned, some hospitals are switching to systems during rapids and codes where only 1-2 people enter the room to try and mitigate the spread of infecting an entire room of 15-20 providers helping a crashing patient. having been in these rooms many times i can tell you that often that amount of manpower is needed to try and help stabilize the patient. if the patient does not have access to that help because of this virus, that patient is dying

vents are technically closed circuits so the risk of aerosolizing is not as much of an issue, but vents are in limited quantity. already some hospitals in NY are running out of vents, hospitals in america are finding ways to macguyver this excrement and use one vent to ventilate and share between multiple infected patients which seems freaking unreal, other places are talking about intubating a patient and protecting their airway, without a hooked up 'vent', and having med students take shifts ventilating and oxygenating the patient manually with bag-valve masks as a contingency once the vents run out.

anesthesiologists who are exposed to these patients during the intubation process are exposed to every freaking thing in that patients mouth and are dropping left and right from being infected during this process. quarantining healthcare workers becomes an issue when you need man power to help care for some of these critically ill patients. calling in orthopedists, radiologists, dermatologists to try to manage a critically ill patient on a freaking vent which is something they are literally not trained to do is obviously not an ideal situation, but it's happened in some places, and it's what we're trying to prevent.

i have friends at NY programs who have been hit pretty hard and it sounds horrible. even if tested positive, some of these programs are telling their employees to come in if they feel 'well' enough to work because the situation there has literally gotten 'all hands on deck'. my hospital has not reached that level yet but it's going to within the next couple of weeks. i was already working 60-80 hour weeks on the regular on a fixed salary, and have actually been scheduled to come in for MORE, not less shifts, during this time because of how bad this thing is going to get. hospitals during this time of year and the colder months are already near close to full capacity without a global pandemic in the backdrop. i'm going to get the virus, and i fully expect to be told to come in if i feel well enough to work. when it gets really bad, i don't think hospital networks will make a big deal about testing their employees to confirm whether they have it or not, if manpower is needed. what's the point? and on top of this, we still don't have enough available tests or tests that come back

the hospital environment during this time is tense. people are scared, people are worried, people are being extra cautious. i've seen work stations being completely wiped down by one person after another person has finished using them, in another time this may seem completely freaking over the top but no offense is obviously being taken. i know of a few people that have had a hard time dealing with the stress/anxiety of all this stuff, but it's whatever. we need to come in

Apparently hospitals are experimenting with hooking up 4 patients to a vent. A ton are already doing two, but I haven't heard of 4 being done at a time yet.

I also got an email from one of the states I'm licensed in, apparently they're sending out waivers for practice restrictions for a number of types of medical professions. Allowing people to practice before passing their licensing exams, allowing people to immediately get endorsed to cross state lines, allowing students with certain numbers of clinical hours to begin working.

There's a whole plethora of things they're doing which aren't the safest. But seem like they'll do far more good than bad (some are just cutting down unnecessary tape)

I'm also reading about the possibility colleges getting turned into medical wards. But I don't forsee that happening unless they're convinced this is going to last a LOT longer than we'd all think
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 07:29:55 AM
Anyone that voted for Trump or is still defending Trump right now deserves this virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2020, 07:36:13 AM
Anyone that voted for Trump or is still defending Trump right now deserves this virus

I mean the most vocal people praising Trump have been DNC leadership 🤷‍♂️

But Trump unquestionably dropped the ball on this early on. But the worst effected states are blue states with democratic governors.

Honestly the most effective thing to combat this would have been to declare a state of Marshall Law early on, and we all know how freaking stupid and ignorant people are.

Hell thst excrement woukd still be limited in effectiveness. Right now is essential business only, and you still have freaking liquor stores and gamestop open.

Trump was terrible with the start of this. But people are stupid selfish fucks too

Hopefully when this is all done and over the worthless politicians in office can put some kind of system in place to prevent far worse future pandemics from being as bad as they could be
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2020, 08:03:26 AM
I mean the most vocal people praising Trump have been DNC leadership 🤷‍♂️

Not true.  The most vocal people praising Trump has been and will continue to be his supporters. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
Marshall Law SZN
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 21, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
Martial Law.......


Don't blame the people who voted Trump you dumb fucks and say something you should get your jaw broken for, blame the assholes that put up a demonstrably more unlikeable distasteful candidate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 09:43:36 AM
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Due to the coronavirus crisis, Philadelphia police will no longer be making arrests for all narcotics offenses, theft from persons, retail theft, theft from auto, burglary, vandalism, bench warrants, stolen autos, economic crimes such as passing bad checks, fraud, & prostitution.

Philly sounds fun rn
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 21, 2020, 10:15:59 AM
^^^^^
That story is from 4 days ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
43% of the US Coronavirus cases are located in NY. Yikes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
^^^^^
That story is from 4 days ago.

Is the city on fire yet
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:29:49 AM
43% of the US Coronavirus cases are located in NY. Yikes

Nvm, the stat I was citing was from yesterday at 8.5K cases

Update:

“More than 10,000 people in New York State have now tested positive for the novel coronavirus, up by 3,254 since Friday - WNBC“
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:43:10 AM
https://twitter.com/peterrquinones/status/1241100523253780480?s=21

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 21, 2020, 10:58:50 AM
Is the city on fire yet
Not yet. I, luckily, don’t work in the city anymore. I work in an environment where I’m sure I could get it but it’s not as bad as working in Manhattan.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2020, 11:31:12 AM
Nvm, the stat I was citing was from yesterday at 8.5K cases

Update:

“More than 10,000 people in New York State have now tested positive for the novel coronavirus, up by 3,254 since Friday - WNBC“
The numbers are going to spike.  It's more of a function of testing than the disease spreading in a more rapid fashion. There are a ton of positives just waiting to be confirmed. They didn't get positive this week, they just couldn't get a test.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 12:11:50 PM


Don't blame the people who voted Trump you dumb fucks and say something you should get your jaw broken for, blame the assholes that put up a demonstrably more unlikeable distasteful candidate.

Why not both
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
Marshall Law SZN

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BOUT TIME
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
Reuben's into fat asians
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 01:27:37 PM
Reuben's into fat asians

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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 01:54:40 PM
Why not both

QFT
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 02:55:26 PM
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@realDonaldTrump:

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents).....

....be put in use IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE DYING, MOVE FAST, and GOD BLESS EVERYONE! @US_FDA @SteveFDA @CDCgov @DHSgov


Infectious Disease Physician Dr. Edsel Salvana:

Quote
Please don't take hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) plus Azithromycin for #COVID19 UNLESS your doctor prescribes it. Both drugs affect the QT interval of your heart and can lead to arrhythmias and sudden death, especially if you are taking other meds or have a heart condition.

https://twitter.com/edselsalvana/status/1241287878354677760?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
https://twitter.com/racheldonadio/status/1241446707587698688?s=21

If it gets this bad here, people are just going to blame Trump, when almost everyone is ignoring the message and warnings from Italy
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 03:20:32 PM
Hydroxychloroquine can cause someone to become immunocompromised
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 03:21:09 PM
https://twitter.com/racheldonadio/status/1241446707587698688?s=21

If it gets this bad here, people are just going to blame Trump, when almost everyone is ignoring the message and warnings from Italy

Nobody will blame the president who hasn't already.  Everyone who dismissed this as a liberal hoax will blame liberals for all the hoaxes that distracted them from the non-hoax.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 21, 2020, 03:27:01 PM

Why not both

I guess I should tell you to die in a fire, right?

 I didn't even vote for either of them but rhetoric over this is pretty freaking annoying. There's plenty of blame to go around.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 03:47:49 PM
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Health officials in New York, California and other hard-hit parts of the country are restricting coronavirus testing to health care workers and people who are hospitalized, saying the battle to contain the virus is lost and the country is moving into a new phase of the pandemic response.
As cases spike sharply in those places, they are hunkering down for an onslaught, and directing scarce resources where they are needed most to save people’s lives. Instead of encouraging broad testing of the public, they’re focused on conserving masks, ventilators, intensive care beds — and on getting still-limited tests to health care workers and the most vulnerable. The shift is further evidence that rising levels of infection and illness have begun to overwhelm the health care system.

Washington Post
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
https://www.theonion.com/pope-francis-urges-priests-to-refrain-from-molesting-ch-1842220949
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PBg_3iVBw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PBg_3iVBw)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2020, 05:01:38 PM
This is a decent piece from a fairly well respected Australian think tank.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/the-case-for-shutting-down-almost-everything-and-restarting-when-coronavirus-is-gone
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
https://twitter.com/farbod_e/status/1241247329572683776?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 06:23:10 PM
https://twitter.com/farbod_e/status/1241247329572683776?s=21

That guy should be president
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 10:27:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Dubeeous/status/1241424303545090053?s=19

https://twitter.com/EyesLeftPod/status/1241555462610284544?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 10:55:54 PM
https://twitter.com/weeaboo/status/1241555854446518272?s=09
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 21, 2020, 11:11:45 PM
lmao freak those people. oh no my 3 apartments arent renting whatever will i do
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2020, 11:14:06 PM
This is why everyone talks excrement about our generation
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 11:45:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Dubeeous/status/1241424303545090053?s=19

https://twitter.com/EyesLeftPod/status/1241555462610284544?s=19

Jesus, that's what everyone was up in arms about?  The little kid answer is contradictory and problematic, but how else are you supposed to respond to "Why did a man eat a bat?"  That's a joke set-up if I've ever heard one.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 02:13:35 AM
Jesus, that's what everyone was up in arms about?  The little kid answer is contradictory and problematic, but how else are you supposed to respond to "Why did a man eat a bat?"  That's a joke set-up if I've ever heard one.

I understand it's a valuable marketing/recruitment tool. But the thought of the army having a Twitter is freaking weird
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 06:44:21 AM
https://twitter.com/mpetchenikwsb/status/1241368419880009730?s=21

This seems counterproductive
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 08:00:23 AM
https://twitter.com/vitalistint/status/1241499035200077826?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 08:51:29 AM
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New York City was hit by the nation’s largest coronavirus jail outbreak to date this week, with at least 38 people testing positive at the notorious Rikers Island complex and nearby facilities — more than half of them incarcerated men, the board that oversees the city’s jail system said Saturday.

Another inmate, meanwhile, became the first in the country to test positive in a federal jail.

In a letter to New York’s criminal justice leaders, Board of Correction interim chairwoman Jacqueline Sherman described a jail system in crisis.

She said in the last week, board members learned that 12 Department of Correction employees, five Correctional Health Services employees, and 21 people in custody at Rikers and city jails had tested positive for the coronavirus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 22, 2020, 09:48:33 AM
The DCPD are shutting down all of the streets and bridges around the Tidal Basin and National Mall because so many freaking people are walking around down there looking at the Cherry Blossoms. It’s about as bad as if the Cherry Blossom Festival was actually going on.

The only thing that I can think of that is close to this level of stupidity and lack of self awareness are the assholes who decided they were just going to run the New York Marathon after Sandy. I’m probably wrong but that was the first thought I had.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2020, 10:39:10 AM
Almost fought an old man at the grocery store this morning.

The dumbass kept touching everything in the check-out line (gum, jerky, chips, drinks) but he wasn't buying any of it. 

I told him to stop touching everything and he told me it was his right to shop.  I told him that he can shop with his eyes and not with his crusty hands.  He shut up and stood in line with his hands in his pockets.

I'm not freaking around with these old people right now.  Everyone is being stupid, but the elderly are being just as ignorant as young people. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
Almost fought an old man at the grocery store this morning.

The dumbass kept touching everything in the check-out line (gum, jerky, chips, drinks) but he wasn't buying any of it. 

I told him to stop touching everything and he told me it was his right to shop.  I told him that he can shop with his eyes and not with his crusty hands.  He shut up and stood in line with his hands in his pockets.

I'm not freaking around with these old people right now.  Everyone is being stupid, but the elderly are being just as ignorant as young people.
Make sure to tell him that Brian Winters sucks too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.

Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 22, 2020, 11:36:02 AM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.

Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
Please stop spreading nonsense. We are all going to die.

Thoughts and prayers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 22, 2020, 11:38:13 AM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.

Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate

The first article was excellent, the second not so much.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2020, 11:47:59 AM
The first article was excellent, the second not so much.

Why do you hate science?

I wish you the best as a fellow Trump supporter. lol

Oh, right...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 22, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Relationship ended with sixfeetdeep. Johnny English best friend now
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 12:12:04 PM
Relationship ended with sixfeetdeep. Johnny English best friend now

Can’t say I can recall a relationship beyond me telling you to freak off, I do remember you talking about throating Mantana Soss on a regular basis though
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 22, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
Can’t say I can recall a relationship beyond me telling you to freak off, I do remember you talking about throating Mantana Sosa on a regular basis though
To be fair he a snack
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 12:26:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Blayofficial/status/1241477350950404115?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 12:47:25 PM
This is why everyone talks excrement about our generation
How do you consistently have the worst take on everything
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 22, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
Why do you hate science?

Oh, right...

Lol I was joking.

That second article is just conjecture, excuse me, bad conjecture.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 01:11:18 PM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.

Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate

Quote
Field Briefing: Diamond Princess COVID-19 Cases
Background:
A cruise ship, named the Diamond Princess, had travel that originated in Yokohama on 20 January and included stops in Japan (Kagoshima), Hong Kong, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan (Okinawa), before arriving back in Yokohama on 3 February. During this time, a passenger who disembarked on 25 January in Hong Kong, has presented with cough since 19 23 Jan and was confirmed positive for Novel coronavirus on 1 February. The Japanese government requested that the Diamond Princess stay at port, with no passengers or crew disembarking, in Yokohama when it arrived on 3 February. During 3-4 February, health status of all passengers and crew members were checked by questionnaire by quarantine officers, and respiratory specimens were taken from symptomatic passengers, crew, and their close contacts to test for Novel coronavirus. On 5 February, a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19 led to the quarantine of the Diamond Princess for 14 days beginning at 7am, with passengers requested to stay in their cabins. As of 5 February, there was a total of 3711 individuals on board the Diamond Princess, with 2666 passengers and 1045 crew members.

They got their first positive test on 2/1, they started testing the population of the ship the next few days and locked down the ship by 2/5. That response time and severity of measures taken isn’t comparable to what happened in countries like Italy, Spain, and the US.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
Rand Paul got the rona
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
They got their first positive test on 2/1, they started testing the population of the ship the next few days and locked down the ship by 2/5. That response time and severity of measures taken isn’t comparable to what happened in countries like Italy, Spain, and the US.

Infections don't wait to start happening after the first positive test comes in. The fact that they were testing means that someone was ill, and given incubation is anywhere from 2-7 days they were busy spreading it all over the ship prior to falling ill and being tested.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 02:36:16 PM
From worldometers.info/coronavirus/

(https://i.imgur.com/anp1ESD.png)

Counter resets daily.  That's new cases from the last reset (4am? Where are we in relation to GMT?)

The good news is that this isn't an indicator of how fast the virus is growing; just an indicator that we're finally testing an already infected population.  Still... yikes.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 02:50:50 PM
From worldometers.info/coronavirus/

(https://i.imgur.com/anp1ESD.png)

Counter resets daily.  That's new cases from the last reset (4am? Where are we in relation to GMT?)

The good news is that this isn't an indicator of how fast the virus is growing; just an indicator that we're finally testing an already infected population.  Still... yikes.



Italy is crazy right now, and Spain seems to be trending that way
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
“Is Iran covering up its outbreak?”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51930856
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Seinfeld2000/status/1241815298019188736?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 02:58:04 PM
Quote
Moscow (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin said this week his country managed to stop the mass spread of coronavirus -- and that the situation was "under control," thanks to early and aggressive measures to keep more people from getting the disease.

Does Russia have coronavirus under control? According to information released by Russian officials, Putin's strategy seems to have worked. The number of confirmed Russian coronavirus cases is surprisingly low, despite Russia sharing a lengthy border with China and recording its first case back in January.

The numbers are picking up, but Russia -- a country of 146 million people -- has fewer confirmed cases than Luxembourg, with just 253 people infected. Luxembourg, by contrast, has a population of just 628,000, according to the CIA World Factbook, and by Saturday had reported 670 coronavirus cases with eight deaths.

Russia's early response measures -- such as shutting down its 2,600-mile border with China as early as January 30, and setting up quarantine zones -- may have contributed to the delay of a full-blown outbreak, some experts say.

A strong record on testing
"The director-general of WHO said 'test, test, test,'" Dr. Melita Vujnovic, the World Health Organization's representative in Russia, told CNN Thursday. "Well, Russia started that literally at the end of January."

Vujnovic said Russia also took a broader set of measures in addition to testing.
"Testing and identification of cases, tracing contacts, isolation, these are all measures that WHO proposes and recommends, and they were in place all the time," she said. "And the social distancing is the second component that really also started relatively early."

Rospotrebnadzor, Russia's state consumer watchdog, said Saturday that it had run more than 156,000 coronavirus tests in total. By comparison, according to CDC figures, the United States only picked up the pace in testing at the beginning of March, while Russia says it has been testing en masse since early February, including in airports, focusing on travelers from Iran, China, and South Korea.
That's not to say there were no holes in Russia's defenses. Russia didn't start testing those arriving from Italy or other badly affected EU countries immediately, limiting its controls for arrivals from Europe to taking temperatures and imposing two-week quarantines. The majority of the coronavirus cases reported in Russia were brought from Italy, according to health officials.


CNN

This could all be lies but it’s an interesting comparison.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
“Is Iran covering up its outbreak?”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51930856
Obviously, because they are an official Bad Guy country, where COVID deaths are the result of their evil leaders doing evil things, as opposed to Good Guy countries where COVID deaths are just an oopsie.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 03:15:13 PM
Obviously, because they are an official Bad Guy country, where COVID deaths are the result of their evil leaders doing evil things, as opposed to Good Guy countries where COVID deaths are just an oopsie.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2#fang-was-arrested-on-february-10-14
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2#fang-was-arrested-on-february-10-14
Official Bad Guy Country Participation Certificate
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 03:50:52 PM
https://twitter.com/kyleteichert/status/1241819710842441729?s=21
https://twitter.com/nbcla/status/1241516009569148928?s=21

Lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 03:56:59 PM
https://twitter.com/nbcla/status/1241516009569148928?s=21

Lol

Oh thank god, sports.

Can we talk about bald white guy in game two?  What an absolute liability.  Low effort, zero awareness, and he appears to be wearing a North Face vest?  Unbelievable.  Cut him.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 04:13:27 PM
Obviously, because they are an official Bad Guy country, where COVID deaths are the result of their evil leaders doing evil things, as opposed to Good Guy countries where COVID deaths are just an oopsie.

Or you know, the country that was building mass graves two weeks ago, where they claimed they had 400 deaths, and yet two weeks later, they somehow only have 1,500 deaths attributable to the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 04:53:42 PM
I just find it interesting that people continously blame leadership (of all countries) for this. When it's blatantly obvious that the biggest issue worldwide is people are ignorant freaking idiots.

We've seen it in every country, and people just flat out don't give a excrement. And then want to blame their eladwrs for the results

(that's not to suggest that most of these countries didn't handle it pee poorly. Just that freaking retards don't accept any responsibility for their own behaviors)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 05:53:19 PM
I just find it interesting that people continously blame leadership (of all countries) for this. When it's blatantly obvious that the biggest issue worldwide is people are ignorant freaking idiots.

We've seen it in every country, and people just flat out don't give a excrement. And then want to blame their eladwrs for the results

(that's not to suggest that most of these countries didn't handle it pee poorly. Just that freaking retards don't accept any responsibility for their own behaviors)

I think the response to the South Korean government's handling of the crisis has been universally positive. 

You can't just throw up your hands and say, "Gee whiz, people are stupid."  Of course we're stupid, that's why we need governance to begin with. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
I think the response to the South Korean government's handling of the crisis has been universally positive. 

You can't just throw up your hands and say, "Gee whiz, people are stupid."  Of course we're stupid, that's why we need governance to begin with. 

Well I'm assuming purely off stereotyping that Asians are far more disciplined than Italians and Americans.

And I don't think the govt should throw their hands up and do nothing. And I've said long ago I think Obama would have done a better job than Trump by far.

But I think people just want someone to blame. And don't want to take any responsibility for themselves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2020, 06:13:59 PM
Well I'm assuming purely off stereotyping that Asians are far more disciplined than Italians and Americans.

lmao
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 06:19:53 PM
Rand Paul got the rona

(https://external-preview.redd.it/iEXUHqdyBhASmkoVgL3iifP5w5MCk8dcA08ekik9A-A.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a0e485f8f999a56d9066e6e6a39b246ed4ee7688)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 06:29:31 PM
https://ew.com/celebrity/harvey-weinstein-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ (https://ew.com/celebrity/harvey-weinstein-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 22, 2020, 06:45:58 PM
I gotta be honest...this virus hasn't been half bad...old people are leaving, I can work from home, all the stores are suddenly online orderable, pieces of excrement are getting it, etc...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
IATA is a piece of like
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 07:09:56 PM
Or you know, the country that was building mass graves two weeks ago, where they claimed they had 400 deaths, and yet two weeks later, they somehow only have 1,500 deaths attributable to the virus.
Gee I wonder why Iran might have trouble getting medical supplies. No grainy satellite photos to answer that one.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Well I'm assuming purely off stereotyping that Asians are far more disciplined than Italians and Americans.

Is dcm just Tommy’s burner?

MY COLUMN:
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
Gee I wonder why Iran might have trouble getting medical supplies. No grainy satellite photos to answer that one.

oh so I guess it's cool for them to lie about their numbers because amerikkka bad
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 22, 2020, 07:14:50 PM
IATA is a piece of like

thats fair
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
Is dcm just Tommy’s burner?

MY COLUMN:

At least I was honest about it

Plus it's the US govt who perpetuated that stereotype intentionally
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 07:56:54 PM
https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241403715036291072?s=21


This is amazing
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 08:47:37 PM
oh so I guess it's cool for them to lie about their numbers because amerikkka bad
Well how else would you describe our sanctions directly making their death toll higher? Seems... bad.

I know your kneejerk reaction is to dismiss any criticism of our country as silly edginess so it's ok if you just want to stick with that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 09:17:37 PM
https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1241892837714800647?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
I don't know where to feel about things with Iran.

On one hand they crossed thresholds for nuclear weaponization and is a serious threat to global security. But to effectively fuel genocide by barricade of essential supplies during a pandemic is fucked up as well. An ideal solution would be a compromise where they can get relief and ease the world's tensions about nuclear armament. But I imagine both parties are too freaking stubborn to do that.

I have little doubt that if the US offered to allow full global aid to Iran if they disassembled their nuclear program they'd absolutely deny it. But to punish innocent civilians for thst isn't right either
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 22, 2020, 09:56:07 PM
Interview with Fauci

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Well how else would you describe our sanctions directly making their death toll higher? Seems... bad.

I know your kneejerk reaction is to dismiss any criticism of our country as silly edginess so it's ok if you just want to stick with that.


You can criticize the US for plenty of things, but your kneejerk reaction to blame the US for Iran covering up their death toll is utter idiocy. US sanctions on Iran being wrong or hurting them is a separate thing and irrelevant to the main point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 11:06:51 PM
Quote
@realDonaldTrump:
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!

Man of the people
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
Man of the people

why are boomers always yelling
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
Quote
And if you’re in Belmar (or Bradley Beach or Spring Lake or anywhere close)? Please consider ordering from Federico’s on Main Street. Throw in the chicken wings and some garlic knots and some penne with vodka sauce. Keep ordering, because owners Bryan and Michael Morin did something so generous last week, they deserve some good karma -- and, more importantly, greenbacks -- headed their way.

When Gov. Phil Murphy ordered that restaurants close their dining rooms, they knew that they would no longer need most of their employees with the decline in business that was certain to follow. But they also believed that it was unfair to the men and women they considered their second family to hand them pink slips during these tumultuous times.

So Bryan Morin went to the bank, took out a $50,000 line of credit, and made the 20 employees on Federico’s payroll a promise: No matter what happens over the next two months, they would still receive a paycheck.

“My father told us a long time ago: You’ve got to take care of your employees first, because without those employees, you don’t have a business at all,” Morin said. “I definitely owe them a debt -- even if it means I might go into debt.”

Think about that. At a time when hundreds of thousands of waiters, dishwashers and other restaurant employees around the country are losing their jobs, Morin is writing checks to his staff even at a time when he knows his bottom line is going to suffer significantly.

Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 12:05:13 AM
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area
I would if I were to visit my parents!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 12:51:28 AM
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area

Don't know how well their financial situation is or if it's a hopeful marketing gimmick. But with this being a holocaust for restaurants across the country. It's possible that this move makes all those employees permanently lose those jobs.

That said it's completely commendable regardless, but definitely a huge risk unless they're swimming in cash
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 23, 2020, 01:27:31 AM
Don't know how well their financial situation is or if it's a hopeful marketing gimmick. But with this being a holocaust for restaurants across the country. It's possible that this move makes all those employees permanently lose those jobs.

That said it's completely commendable regardless, but definitely a huge risk unless they're swimming in cash
When someone is holding a pistol to my head for a case of water I will defiantly stand my ground and tell them to flatten the curve
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 01:28:45 AM
When someone is holding a pistol to my head for a case of water I will defiantly stand my ground and tell them to flatten the curve

Yes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 04:53:26 AM
https://deadline.com/2020/03/coronavirus-harvey-weinstein-positive-test-prision-1202889800/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 05:08:23 AM
https://deadline.com/2020/03/coronavirus-harvey-weinstein-positive-test-prision-1202889800/

This prison situation is going to be insanely fucked

I wouldn't want to have any part of the decision making for this process. No matter what they do they're going to get attacked and heavily criticized. There's no resources, no tests, no personell. And suddenly you have to deal with a massive amount of potential carriers who have no place to go, no jobs,, and all are potentially carrying a deadly easily transmitted disease
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 07:32:09 AM
When someone is holding a pistol to my head for a case of water I will defiantly stand my ground and tell them to flatten the curve

Stop spreading hysteria
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 07:33:17 AM
Also why are you risking your life for bottled water? You deserve to be shot
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: steves850 on March 23, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
I mentioned it in the good movies thread but I'll mention it here as well. Since we're all stuck in the house, I want to offer access to my Plex library to anyone that's interested. Message me directly and I'll hook it up. Stay safe, and stay the freak home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 08:44:25 AM
https://twitter.com/ugsnsteppa/status/1241846621391945728?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Daily propaganda:

https://twitter.com/c4dispatches/status/1241803403619172359?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 23, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area

My GF is 10 min from this place. Never tried it before, but will now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/defense-production-act-coronavirus-trump-respirators-masks-ventilators.html


trump refuses to use the DPA because businesses dont want him to. national security at risk, but this retard refuses to do the necesarry.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
My state just got our stay home order.  Schools officially closed the rest of the school year.

In other news, 2 perfectly good kids for sale/free on ebay shortly.


BREAKING: Virginia Governor Ralph Northam has issued a statewide stay at home order today at 2 pm EST due to the pandemic. He has followed states such California and New York. Please stay indoors, for yourself and others. #Covd_19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 03:18:53 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/top-merkel-aide-optimistic-chancellor-coronavirus-200323091446890.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/top-merkel-aide-optimistic-chancellor-coronavirus-200323091446890.html)

Can't stop The Merk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
Everyone in the U.K. "must stay at home," Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced Monday.

Residents can only leave home to shop for basic necessities, for one form of exercise per day, for medical needs, and to travel to and from work when necessary.

3 week lockdown; enforceable by fine

...

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis says he won't issue a "shelter in place" order in Florida right now, calling it "not advisable." - WPTV
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
Should have been Gillum.

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/D247TPQq-rs

...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2020, 05:09:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/D247TPQq-rs

...

A Bills fan

Bury him under the jail
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 05:09:33 PM
Should have been Gillum.

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk



Don’t disagree, but I’m pretty sure Gillum is busy doing meth off of male prostitutes boners
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 05:11:04 PM
A Bills fan

Bury him under the jail

Might be the worst bills fan I’ve ever seen
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
He looks like a cartoon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2020, 05:14:58 PM
Don’t disagree, but I’m pretty sure Gillum is busy doing meth off of male prostitutes boners

hahahaha
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:23:30 PM
Fauci is not at this press conference. Wonder if Trump is pushing against the social distancing stance to get the economy going and Fauci told him to freak off.  Maybe not "freak off", but told him he wouldn't stand with him if he did that.

Big Dummy is up there touting drugs  he knows nothing about hoping that the Dow Jones goes up before the election.  Hope I'm wrong.

Also Bill Barr looks like Droopy the Dog.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 05:26:56 PM
Fauci is not at this press conference. Wonder if Trump is pushing against the social distancing stance to get the economy going and Fauci told him to freak off.  Maybe not "freak off", but told him he wouldn't stand with him if he did that.

Big Dummy is up there touting drugs  he knows nothing about hoping that the Dow Jones goes up before the election.  Hope I'm wrong.

Also Bill Barr looks like Deputy Dog.


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488961-fauci-on-trump-coronavirus-comments-i-cant-jump-in-front-of-the

I imagine Trump will fire Fauci shortly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 05:31:54 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488961-fauci-on-trump-coronavirus-comments-i-cant-jump-in-front-of-the

I imagine Trump will fire Fauci shortly.
This is the link to the interview that the Hill was citing. Was a fascinating interview.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488961-fauci-on-trump-coronavirus-comments-i-cant-jump-in-front-of-the

I imagine Trump will fire Fauci shortly.
He'll probably just ignore him until he quits or assign him to be the Head Immunologist of Anchorage.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:34:23 PM
Bill Barr pressers are better than Ambien. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
This is the link to the interview that the Hill was citing. Was a fascinating interview.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic

Thank you, it was.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 05:43:22 PM
The Jets / Johnsons announced a $1M contribution to COVID-19 relief efforts. A hugely generous gesture from the multi-billionaire beneficiaries of the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical fortune.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signals-growing-weariness-with-social-distancing-and-other-steps-advocated-by-health-officials/2020/03/23/0920ea0a-6cfc-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html

The idea of reopening our economy is nice, but it's just going to crash our hospitals again, and many intelligent people will still socially distance themselves, so it's not like the economy is just going to bounce back. The economy is screwed either way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 05:58:23 PM
You say again, as if they aren't already totally fucked and overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 06:15:57 PM
You say again, as if they aren't already totally fucked and overwhelmed.
Very true. I guess the question is do we want them to be 800% fucked or 2000% fucked?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 06:16:40 PM
Is Trump a slowplay comedy?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 06:36:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/D247TPQq-rs

...

Honestly, I fully expected this do be an "I'm gonna lick all the personal care items" video and I was kinda relieved that it was just a "I'm proud to be stupid" video.

We've earned this virus. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 06:51:54 PM
I'm gonna stay home till everyone dies then take all the beer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signals-growing-weariness-with-social-distancing-and-other-steps-advocated-by-health-officials/2020/03/23/0920ea0a-6cfc-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html

The idea of reopening our economy is nice, but it's just going to crash our hospitals again, and many intelligent people will still socially distance themselves, so it's not like the economy is just going to bounce back. The economy is screwed either way.

I try to give him the benefit of the doubt a decent amount of the time. But he's a freaking idiot. If he's just trying to signal confidence to the stock market to curb the mass selling/crashing of the stock market fine. I can understand that.

But if he's legitimately going to encourage people to return to business as usual "very soon" then he'd an absolute poopchute.

Not to mention many governors will flag out defy him and tell him to freak off
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt a decent amount of the time. But he's a freaking idiot. If he's just trying to signal confidence to the stock market to curb the mass selling/crashing of the stock market fine. I can understand that.

But if he's legitimately going to encourage people to return to business as usual "very soon" then he'd an absolute poopchute.

Not to mention many governors will flag out defy him and tell him to freak off
Anyone who is actually smart can see right through him. He sounds like a 7th grader trying to bluff his way through an oral book report he didn't know he needed to have until 5 minutes beforehand.

There are no easy answers to this. This is as hard a dilemma any president has faced in a long, long time. But Trump gives zero confidence.

I wonder if this is just a political ploy, since he realizes most governors in blue states will just blow him off. Then when the economy doesn't improve, he will blame the democrats.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
Anyone who is actually smart can see right through him. He sounds like a 7th grader trying to bluff his way through an oral book report he didn't know he needed to have until 5 minutes beforehand.

There are no easy answers to this. This is as hard a dilemma any president has faced in a long, long time. But Trump gives zero confidence.

I wonder if this is just a political ploy, since he realizes most governors in blue states will just blow him off. Then when the economy doesn't improve, he will blame the democrats.

That does sound like a fairly intelligent idea

Therefore I highly doubt that's his intention. That's something Dick Cheney would have done masterfully

Trumps probably just watching way too much CNBC and foxbusiness and tweeting out things that he thinks will "fix" the problem
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 23, 2020, 07:16:00 PM
It’s amazing to me, probably the biggest crisis ever to hit this country, and we have the absolute worst president possible to “lead” us through it. I’m not usually a Cuomo fan, but...help us Andrew Cuomo, you are our only hope.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt a decent amount of the time. But he's a freaking idiot. If he's just trying to signal confidence to the stock market to curb the mass selling/crashing of the stock market fine. I can understand that.

But if he's legitimately going to encourage people to return to business as usual "very soon" then he'd an absolute poopchute.

Not to mention many governors will flag out defy him and tell him to freak off
What if he saves us cap space though?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
What if he saves us cap space though?

If the fucker gets me paid I'm in

Soon as I go all in on the market Trumps gonna be my dude for the next 4 years

Till then fuckers gotta keep us from killing each other
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 07:43:54 PM
If the gets me paid I'm in

Soon as I go all in on the market Trumps gonna be my dude for the next 4 years

Till then fuckers gotta keep us from killing each other
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 23, 2020, 07:47:38 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 10:49:23 PM
boris johnson doing the needful, must be nice to have a leader who has a clue, huh america

its really weird to have typed that sentence.


https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1242195947167404034



seriously tho, that was a great speech by boris. he was clear in what they were doing, and why. he was honest, people will die and it wont be easy. hes providing support for the people who need it. he gave hope to the uk that they would get through it.

and then you have the united states....
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 11:01:22 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/23/house-democrats-stimulus-senate-coronavirus-145388

not a fan of the green rules being shoved in there, seems like a needless point of contention.

its nice to see theyre both including language to prevent cutoffs of services. i work for an isp and were still doing cutoffs, which i greatly disagree with and was shutdown in a meeting about. its bullshit

the open-ended foodbank budget is just another fight waiting to happen.

the voting stuff, while needed, is obviously not happening if the gop get their way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 11:15:47 PM
boris johnson doing the needful, must be nice to have a leader who has a clue, huh america

its really weird to have typed that sentence.


https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1242195947167404034



seriously tho, that was a great speech by boris. he was clear in what they were doing, and why. he was honest, people will die and it wont be easy. hes providing support for the people who need it. he gave hope to the uk that they would get through it.

and then you have the united states....
Johnson dropped the ball badly and they're way behind most other countries on addressing this, please don't hold him up as some kind of example to aspire to. On this or anything else.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 11:18:47 PM
110% agree, but when you look at the response down south and the comparisons between these 2 idiots...I couldn't help myself friend
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 11:31:08 PM
110% agree, but when you look at the response down south and the comparisons between these 2 idiots...I couldn't help myself friend
Let's just hold Justin a little bit tighter tonight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 12:02:25 AM
110% agree, but when you look at the response down south and the comparisons between these 2 idiots...I couldn't help myself friend
I don’t disagree with you at all.

“We’re not a country that shuts down. I’m thinking weeks...”

I’m so tired of the greed that runs this country. No full shutdown = this excrement never stops.  This country is too stupid and entitled to abide to a shutdown order anyway and then chaos really starts.

There are so many things I want to say right now, but no way I could coherently project them with a level head right now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 12:59:34 AM
I don’t disagree with you at all.

“We’re not a country that shuts down. I’m thinking weeks...”

I’m so tired of the greed that runs this country. No full shutdown = this excrement never stops.  This country is too stupid and entitled to abide to a shutdown order anyway and then chaos really starts.

There are so many things I want to say right now, but no way I could coherently project them with a level head right now.

While I think we have to have a full shutdown

If you look at that chart Pope posted I can understand the hesitancy with it a prolonged shutdown is going to pit businesses out of business on a scale nwver seen since the great depression.

And we could be looking at the nastiest depression since. Of course it's very possible we have that kinda depression if we do shut down as well
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 01:12:50 AM
While I think we have to have a full shutdown

If you look at that chart Pope posted I can understand the hesitancy with it a prolonged shutdown is going to pit businesses out of business on a scale nwver seen since the great depression.

And we could be looking at the nastiest depression since. Of course it's very possible we have that kinda depression if we do shut down as well
You’re talking about about millions of lives here. This isn’t the Depression. We’re gonna be in a Depression anyway at this point, who cares? This is worse. The Depression wasn’t a virus. This manaic of a president has to realize we are past this caring about opinion excrement. The only way this virus stops spreading is to keep people in their homes.

I don’t care if it takes the military. Stop caring about money, put them in places snd press pause for 2 weeks. Just like China did. Just like Italy did.

We need to stop caring about money and the economy and care about people. 2 weeks is necessary. Identify the problem, isolate the people that have it, keep everyone else home. Stop caring about money for a minute. Do what’s right. Do what your doctors recommend. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 01:46:31 AM
You’re talking about about millions of lives here. This isn’t the Depression. We’re gonna be in a Depression anyway at this point, who cares? This is worse. The Depression wasn’t a virus. This manaic of a president has to realize we are past this caring about opinion excrement. The only way this virus stops spreading is to keep people in their homes.

I don’t care if it takes the military. Stop caring about money, put them in places snd press pause for 2 weeks. Just like China did. Just like Italy did.

We need to stop caring about money and the economy and care about people. 2 weeks is necessary. Identify the problem, isolate the people that have it, keep everyone else home. Stop caring about money for a minute. Do what’s right. Do what your doctors recommend. 

Millions of lives?


15,000 people have died on the whole planet

Yes its a very serious disease, but we're not approaching the millions of lives conversation. Hell I think it's fairly unlikely it hits 100,000

But I do agree we need to shut excrement down. But things need to be kept in context

And we have to see if shutting it down even works.  I think the world needs to work together to get through this. China got passed it. But has had several new infections all from people coming from out of the country. So hypothetically even if we shut everything down for 15 days and jt all went away, we could instantly have another wave from out of the country.

Barring a cure or vaccine, the entire world needs to work together to end coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 01:52:03 AM
Millions of lives?


15,000 people have died on the whole planet

Yes its a very serious disease, but we're not approaching the millions of lives conversation. Hell I think it's fairly unlikely it hits 100,000

But I do agree we need to shut excrement down. But things need to be kept in context
I never said millions die. Millions will be affected. But, does anyone know how this ends? You know how many people are still working. I still have to work and I saw a vape shop open at 4pm. And, still open at 12:30am. A freaking vape shop?? Car dealerships are still open. Bodegas are still open. People still congregating in public places.

This excrement is going nowhere. It’s on one person to stop it. Get the right military in place...and shut it down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 02:12:40 AM
I never said millions die. Millions will be affected. But, does anyone know how this ends? You know how many people are still working. I still have to work and I saw a vape shop open at 4pm. And, still open at 12:30am. A freaking vape shop?? Car dealerships are still open. Bodegas are still open. People still congregating in public places.

This excrement is going nowhere. It’s on one person to stop it. Get the right military in place...and shut it down.

I mean by thst logic billions will be affected by the economy.

But I saw some republican (governor?) of Texas saying something like grandparents would be happy to save their grandchildrens economy.

I think the Republicans have gone full blown freaking retard. If they wanted to try to make the argument (good luck) that more people will die from a bad economy than coronavirus that's one thing. But this is absolutely moronic stupid freaking talk. And I do think it stems from Trump.

I supportive a laissez-faire attitude about big businesses. But this recent republican administration has definitely moved me to the left. American politics is a far worse disease than coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 07:30:15 AM
Outside of Trump this goes to show you that the senate and congress are full of pieces of bipartisan excrement.

Even though Chuck Schumer is supposed to be from NY he clearly acted like a freaking poopchute, with a ton of Republicans to follow suit.

If just one person in senate or congress has Corona before all of their nonsensical meetings this whole thing might be worth it

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/23/senate-coronavirus-rescue-package-144233
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 09:35:07 AM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 09:56:55 AM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?

Because, for the most part, they’re a reflection of their constituents. And, in the hip pocket of their campaign contributors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 09:57:18 AM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?


Because people still vote for them in droves despite the fact they’re obvious pieces of excrement?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
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Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.), known for his folksy demeanor and dry humor, later poked fun at the seeming absurdity of what had transpired on the Senate floor.

“You know what the American people are thinking right now? They're thinking that the brain is an amazing organ. It starts working in a mother's womb, and it doesn’t stop working until you get elected to Congress,” he said, later adding: “This country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by a bunch of idiots.”
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 10:34:37 AM
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Mayor Bill de Blasio has blamed President Trump for the city’s severe shortage of COVID-19 supplies even though City Hall didn’t secure its first order for emergency protective gear until March 6, The Post has learned.

Officials with the city’s Office of Emergency Management tried to purchase nearly 200,000 n95 masks on Feb. 7, but weeks later they learned the vendors had already run out.

It was not until March 6 and March 10 — over two months after the coronavirus outbreak first hit China — that they finally secured the first emergency procurements of masks and hand sanitizer, according to the city comptroller’s office.

“Our city is the epicenter of this outbreak in the United States, and we are lacking supplies because the mayor didn’t notice until two weeks ago?” fumed City Councilman Chaim Deutsch.

“We ought to have been prepared for this. Blaming Trump is an easy way to avoid hard questions, but it exposes a distinct lack of management on the part of this administration,” the Brooklyn Democrat said.

A City Hall spokeswoman said on Feb. 7, the city’s Office of Emergency Management tried to purchase nearly 200,000 N95 masks, but regular vendors had already run out. She added that the Health Department had already stockpiled 19 million surgical masks and said there have been no payment delays.

Comptroller Scott Stringer granted approval for the early March orders of masks and hand sanitizer the same day, but a medical supply vendor who has standing city contracts told The Post that initial requests for protective gear from the Department of Citywide Administrative Services were mired in bureaucratic red tape.

It took the agency an average of 72 hours to complete an order, he said.

“We’d send them a list of products we can deliver within 24, 48 hours,” said the head of one of the medical supply companies, who declined to be named for fear of jeopardizing his current contracts.

“The private sector is knocking on our door all day, every day. We have every hospital facility from Buffalo to across the country chasing us for the same product — N95 masks, surgical masks, gloves, hand sanitizer — and the city just moves so slow, I mean it’s a joke,” he said.

His company started stocking up on supplies in January and he works with a Chinese manufacturer that’s operating at 100 percent capacity.

He said the city missed out on eight of 10 supply orders because DCAS blew payment deadlines.

“I personally live in the city. It’s just a shame to see the city move at the pace they’re moving. It’s just an embarrassment,” the supplier said.

“For the private sector, we’ve been selling and pushing product in the last four weeks and the city woke up two weeks ago,” the exec said.

A city spokeswoman said there were no payment delays.

The comptroller’s office approved 12 emergency contracts totaling $150 million before the mayor suspended procurement rules on March 16 and took over the process.

During his City Hall press briefing Thursday, de Blasio assured NYPD and other first responders, who’ve complained about a lack of protective equipment, that he’s tried everything in his power to marshal supplies.

“We will do everything we can to get every conceivable supply of protective equipment from anywhere in the nation that we can on the private market and get it directly to you,” he said.

But, he added, Trump “has to give the order to get the federal government to get you what you deserve.”

Nick Benson, a DCAS spokesman, said the city maintains a three-month supply of gloves, cleaning products and hand sanitizer.

Since the outbreak, the city has ordered 25 million masks, 2 million bottles of sanitizer, 12,000 thermometers and 2,000 ventilators. Turnaround times “vary significantly,” Benson said.

“There is enormous demand for these and other products, but the City of New York is leveraging existing contracts with vendors to obtain supplies. When a vendor is unable to provide the quantity we need, we have identified other vendors. In many cases, vendors are shipping goods as soon as they’re manufactured,” Benson added.

On Thursday, de Blasio said if the federal government doesn’t send 3 million more N95 masks, 50 million more surgical masks, 15,000 ventilators and 45 million surgical gowns, coveralls, gloves and face shields by April, the city could run out of these supplies.

NYPost
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 10:40:09 AM
He's the worst mayor since Dinkens and maybe worse, he's freaking atrocious and I am not sure how he got reelected.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
He's the worst mayor since Dinkens and maybe worse, he's freaking atrocious and I am not sure how he got reelected.
I’ve said this numerous times...he won because he’s a Democrat. You could run Bozo the Clown as a Democrat and run him against John McCain or (insert any remotely popular Republicans name here) and Bozo would win at least 65>35% of the vote.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
Something something free market efficiency.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 11:25:20 AM
Something something free market efficiency.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3

Seems like the current system needs addressing, but I’m curious where the supplies that the federal govt orders end up and who makes those decisions based on what criteria. Haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
I've been home since Friday (thankfully) and my heart goes out to anyone who isn't, or hasn't been able to, stay home.

My boss just said during our department conference call that we all need to be prepared to return to the office next week. The silence on the call was deafening.

I may choose to take a vacation. And maybe use that time to find other employment. I really can't fathom the ridiculous idea that "saving the economy" takes priority over surviving this crisis and not putting the lives of our loved ones at risk. But hey, I guess that's why I'll never be rich.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:36:26 AM
Something something free market efficiency.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3)
MEH squared


This from the Wall street Journal:


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And indeed the president has also said that if the states find themselves outbid by the federal government, he would give the states priority because they are closer to the problem and have a better idea where the real need is.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/business-makes-war-on-coronavirus-11585004754?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s (https://www.wsj.com/articles/business-makes-war-on-coronavirus-11585004754?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s)



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Of all the coronavirus nightmares, the one most haunting doctors, governors and hospital administrators is finding themselves without enough ventilators to go around. When a patient can’t breathe on his own, a ventilator moves air in and out of his lungs. For a Covid-19 patient in critical care, a ventilator can be the one thing standing between him and certain death.
But in a shortage, who lives and who dies could become a coin toss. If there’s only one ventilator and three people need it, who’s the lucky winner? The 80-year-old grandmother in otherwise perfect health? The 65-year-old father of four with diabetes? Or the 70-year-old retired doctor or nurse who’s just come back into service to help defeat the virus? There are two ways to address shortages. The first is by reducing demand, which in this case means trying to prevent the number of people infected from ever reaching the point of overwhelming the hospitals’ ability to treat them. This is why we have quarantines, shelter-in-place orders and self-distancing.The other is to boost supply.

On Friday Vice President Mike Pence announced that his team had identified “tens of thousands” of ventilators that can be “retrofitted and converted” to treat people with Covid-19. Unfortunately, it still may not be enough: Gov. Andrew Cuomo says New York alone may need 30,000 ventilators—more than five times what it now has. Which is why President Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act in hope of enlisting American manufacturers in the effort to ramp up production of ventilators and other badly needed medical items.

It won’t be easy or overnight,” says Chris Kiple, “but it can be done.” Mr. Kiple is CEO of Seattle-based Ventec Life Systems. He says Ventec is one of about a dozen players in the global market for ventilators, only about half of which are U.S.-based companies.The smart governors, Mr. Kiple adds, have already been out shopping for the ventilators they need.

Certainly Mr. Cuomo has made it clear that he is. But countries such as Italy and China have been placing orders for a while, giving them a jump on the U.S.There are some technical challenges to rapid expansion. Ventilators aren’t one-size-fits-all.

There are huge ventilators for hospital intensive-care units. Others are battery powered and portable. Ventec is unusual, its CEO says, because its VOCSN ventilator is not only portable but multifunctional. In addition to ventilation, it includes an oxygen concentrator, a cough assist, a hospital-grade suction system and a nebulizer. It can be used from hospitals to homes.

Supply lines present a further challenge. Some parts, Mr. Kiple allows, might be made with a three-dimensional printer. But not an entire ventilator. And even if manufacturing is rapidly scaled up, it won’t mean anything unless provisions are also made to train the many thousands of new respiratory therapists needed to run the machines.But even this isn’t the biggest problem.“The biggest problem,” Mr. Kiple says, “is that no one knows how many ventilators we need.”Given the cost—ventilators run from roughly $25,000 to $50,000—no one is going to risk producing thousands that go unsold or buying thousands that go unused. If there’s a role for government, it’s probably to help set a number for how many are needed, and then provide a guarantee to manufacturers for any they can’t sell or to hospitals for any but end up not needing.That’ll cost taxpayers a pile of money. But it is at least targeted to a defined need.

Mr. Kiple says if the White House and hospitals want to see ventilators produced and deployed quickly, the orders need to come in now.The good news, he says, is that players in the private sector, he says, have already been in touch with one another to see how they might team up. Before coronavirus hit, Ventec’s peak output was roughly 150 ventilators a month. Now his team is working around the clock to boost that to 1,000 within the next 90 days.They are not stopping there. On Friday Ventec announced it will work in partnership with General Motors (https://quotes.wsj.com/GM).

The idea is to combine GM’s experience of mass-production manufacturing with Ventec’s technology. Mr. Kiple says the partnership will mean getting “more ventilators to more hospitals much faster.” The president tweeted Sunday: “Go for it auto execs.”

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump has been vague about how exactly he intends to use the powers of the Defense Production Act. Right now he appears to want to require companies like Ventec to turn over the ventilators they make—and the federal government will distribute them. But there may be better ways.

And indeed the president has also said that if the states find themselves outbid by the federal government, he would give the states priority because they are closer to the problem and have a better idea where the real need is.

As for Mr. Kiple, he says business is stepping up to the challenge. “There are many unknowns about this pandemic,” he says. “The only known is that every ventilator available has the potential to save lives.”Write to mcgurn@wsj.com.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 24, 2020, 11:37:43 AM
I've been home since Friday (thankfully) and my heart goes out to anyone who isn't, or hasn't been able to, stay home.

My boss just said during our department conference call that we all need to be prepared to return to the office next week. The silence on the call was deafening.

I may choose to take a vacation. And maybe use that time to find other employment. I really can't fathom the ridiculous idea that "saving the economy" takes priority over surviving this crisis and not putting the lives of our loved ones at risk. But hey, I guess that's why I'll never be rich.

The economic effects of a prolonged quarantine will be profoundly terrible, and depressed economies lead to things like increased suicide rates and poorer health. That's not to say everyone should go back to work immediately, but a poor economy will also lead to negative health outcomes - it's something that will need to be balanced.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
MEH squared


This from the Wall street Journal:



So then the question is begged as to why the feds and states are getting into bidding contests against each other for urgently needed medical supplies.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:49:40 AM
The economic effects of a prolonged quarantine will be profoundly terrible, and depressed economies lead to things like increased suicide rates and poorer health. That's not to say everyone should go back to work immediately, but a poor economy will also lead to negative health outcomes - it's something that will need to be balanced.

I've said this from the beginning: if I work till I get sick and die, it doesn't matter that I still had a job. There will be jobs in the aftermath. The only question is who will be willing to do them.

Sorry not sorry about feeling nothing for rich dudes' bottom lines in the end. I've made the decision to pay rent or eat before. I can do it again. Let's see if Trump and his ilk can.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:56:08 AM
So then the question is begged as to why the feds and states are getting into bidding contests against each other for urgently needed medical supplies.

Get the orders in , get the needed products made and then worry about where they are needed most. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me in a crisis such as this. There should be better communication and leadership but I have said that from the getgo. As long as it's getting done, I can worry ab out that excrement later.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:57:35 AM
Both of my jobs are essential services and I am out there on the front lines like a canary in the coal mine. I feel neither brave nor stupid, I am just getting things done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 12:01:57 PM
Get the orders in , get the needed products made and then worry about where they are needed most. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me in a crisis such as this. There should be better communication and leadership but I have said that from the getgo. As long as it's getting done, I can worry ab out that excrement later.

Which doesn't actually answer my question, but OK.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 12:02:37 PM
In these tough times, it's good to know that Pornhub has your back.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 12:04:20 PM
Which doesn't actually answer my question, but OK.

I did answer it. Let me make it bigger and bolded so you can see what I mean clearly:

Poor communication and leadership.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
I did answer it. Let me make it bigger and bolded so you can see what I mean clearly:

Poor communication and leadership.

Hmm. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt that's all there is to it. After all, if I'm manufacturing a scarce good then you'd better believe I'm playing bidders off against each other to drive the price up and I don't really care if the ultimate consumer is the same regardless of its route there.

Like I said to start with, got to love that market efficiency.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 12:10:46 PM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-Hpy8_JCVU/?igshid=fjccvuqdxl06

My President
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 12:20:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-Hpy8_JCVU/?igshid=fjccvuqdxl06

My President
I don’t disagree with him at all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2020, 12:34:23 PM
I've been home since Friday (thankfully) and my heart goes out to anyone who isn't, or hasn't been able to, stay home.

My boss just said during our department conference call that we all need to be prepared to return to the office next week. The silence on the call was deafening.

I may choose to take a vacation. And maybe use that time to find other employment. I really can't fathom the ridiculous idea that "saving the economy" takes priority over surviving this crisis and not putting the lives of our loved ones at risk. But hey, I guess that's why I'll never be rich.

Speaking impartially, but based on this post, i've come to the conclusion that your boss is a freaking imbecile.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
Speaking impartially, but based on this post, i've come to the conclusion that your boss is a freaking imbecile.

Lol

More just someone who thinks business is more important than safety.

Actually, she doesn't seem to think the problem is as bad as "they" make it out to be in the first place.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
Lol

More just someone who thinks business is more important than safety.

Actually, she doesn't seem to think the problem is as bad as "they" make it out to be in the first place.

I stand by my assessment even moreso now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
my office just announced were all remote indefinitely, until may at the earliest.

im never going back into that office
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 03:27:19 PM
my office just announced were all remote indefinitely, until may at the earliest.

im never going back into that office

Yeah, we got told yesterday that our optional WFH was no longer optional and that the office was now closed, not that anyone has been going there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 03:30:10 PM
we've got 1 person on site at all times because its our datacenter, but other than that, same.

btw, pray you dont get any internet issues for awhile. rogers lost 2 centers in india and isnt dispatching techs unless its a major outage. i hate dealing with them now
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 03:34:28 PM
we've got 1 person on site at all times because its our datacenter, but other than that, same.

btw, pray you dont get any internet issues for awhile. rogers lost 2 centers in india and isnt dispatching techs unless its a major outage. i hate dealing with them now

I'm on Bell, switched to them from Rogers a few years ago and have been hugely happy with the service, if not the pricing quite so much.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Gorilla on March 24, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?

Because the main way to get into high political office, for the most part, is your ability to win elections....the end, full stop.

We're ostensibly supposed to elect the "best of us", the most qualified and understanding and intelligent and prudent. However, it's not how qualified you are, or how intelligent, empathetic, and well-informed you are or your leadership ability...it's 95% about your ability to get people to vote for you, by hook or by crook. It's about how persuasive you are, how appealing you are, and how skilled you are at campaigning and manipulating cognitive biases and groupthink via the media and your speech and smile. Being able to convince others to vote for you (by any means necessary, even with half-truths or lies....so having a conscience might be a liability) leads to winning elections which leads to receiving more money...which leads to you being able to win more elections, and so on.

So to win high-level elections you need to be ultra-self-centered and image-obsessed, cutthroat (which requires a weak sense of empathy), and have a team of people who's sole purpose is to pump you up and make you more and more appealing to more and more people. A degree of psychopathy is helpful. The more people praise you and follow you and "believe" in you, the more you buy in to the narrative about yourself. That confidence, in turn, leads to you acting more electable...despite the fact that you may or may not actually be educated or qualified. Most people do not posses this level of narcissism or, again, psychopathy, or poopchute-ishness.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 04:49:40 PM
Because the main way to get into high political office, for the most part, is your ability to win elections....the end, full stop.

We're ostensibly supposed to elect the "best of us", the most qualified and understanding and intelligent and prudent. However, it's not how qualified you are, or how intelligent, empathetic, and well-informed you are or your leadership ability...it's 95% about your ability to get people to vote for you, by hook or by crook. It's about how persuasive you are, how appealing you are, and how skilled you are at campaigning and manipulating cognitive biases and groupthink via the media and your speech and smile. Being able to convince others to vote for you (by any means necessary, even with half-truths or lies....so having a conscience might be a liability) leads to winning elections which leads to receiving more money...which leads to you being able to win more elections, and so on.

So to win high-level elections you need to be ultra-self-centered and image-obsessed, cutthroat (which requires a weak sense of empathy), and have a team of people who's sole purpose is to pump you up and make you more and more appealing to more and more people. A degree of psychopathy is helpful. The more people praise you and follow you and "believe" in you, the more you buy in to the narrative about yourself. That confidence, in turn, leads to you acting more electable...despite the fact that you may or may not actually be educated or qualified. Most people do not posses this level of narcissism or, again, psychopathy, or poopchute-ishness.

Well said. I've always maintained you've got to be the most narcissistic poopchute in the world to believe you can be President of the United States. That goes for Trump. That goes for Obama. That goes for Bush (1 & 2), Clinton, Reagan, etc.

How could any person legitimately believe that they know anything so well that they can make decisions for 300M+ people?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
Well said. I've always maintained you've got to be the most narcissistic poopchute in the world to believe you can be President of the United States. That goes for Trump. That goes for Obama. That goes for Bush (1 & 2), Clinton, Reagan, etc.

How could any person legitimately believe that they know anything so well that they can make decisions for 300M+ people?

I don't think Obama or Bush were narcissistic
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 09:58:11 PM
well thank goodness this is all over now

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-victory-covid-19-death-toll-latest-a9423121.html

Quote
Donald Trump, in sharp defiance of his public health team, declared victory on Tuesday over the coronavirus even as the number of confirmed US cases and deaths continue to rise.

His administration’s goal is to “ease the guidelines and open things up to very large sections of our country as we near the end of our historic battle with the invisible enemy,” the president said. “It’s been going a while time, but we win. We win.”


....

The president claimed a “very, very powerful victory” over the virus as he praised Deborah Birx, a State Department official, for being perhaps the best infectious disease expert in the world – as his top infectious disease official, the widely popular Anthony Fauci, making his briefing room return, looked on behind him.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 12:32:22 AM
As long as this maniac is in charge, we’re all fucked.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 01:32:21 AM
Interesting article:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 07:37:01 AM
its not that interesting because its an opinion piece behind a paywall from a right-wing business magazine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
Interesting article:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s

I heard you can contract COVID-19 from reading that cocksucking, propagandizing, toilet paper
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:38:33 AM
Both of my jobs are essential services and I am out there on the front lines like a canary in the coal mine. I feel neither brave nor stupid, I am just getting things done.

Same . Boat. Just bpught a house end if January , just got in a good company after suffering a 500 employee site closure with a bad one

My AC just went out with FL summer coming. Just financed 6800 for that , my bills aren't immune to corona and with both my jobs being essential. Its either go home voluntarily and get crushed by debt or keep the money flowing

Id have proffered a 2 week shutdown but logistically I see the hurdles

I'm more of an independent guy politically , but Trump has handled this like a Grade A moron

On the flipside I do feel like my company is doing everything they can to get as many out of 42k ppl working from hone they can . Another 5k work units arrived Tuesday.  Priority is going to workmates out west though but HR already confirming ppls addresses and work extensions to setup equipment for WFH (work from home )

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:39:27 AM
as usual ignore my typos.  In a remote training session on my phone
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
I find it interesting that in this Coronavirus Bill that passed they're giving 100 billion dollars to hospitals and 350 billion to small businesses 🤔

I guess old lady porcelain dolls and shiity pizzas are going to end all our problems
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:47:12 AM
I find it interesting that in this Coronavirus Bill that passed they're giving 100 billion dollars to hospitals and 350 billion to small businesses 🤔

I guess old lady porcelain dolls and shiity pizzas are going to end all our problems

Our economy is a shitty Jenga tower of consumerism stacked to space satellites at this point. China owns us and if we stop buying from them their infrastucture collapses . Were inextricably linked to them . I'm more along the lines of this was an attack in regards to the trade war

Just like the hurricanes in PR revealed like 90% of IV bags are produced in a random PR factory . Turns out most of our pharmaceuticals are from China lol


This is a wakeup call from a production and manufacturing standpoint as well

Were so much closer to mayhem then people really know but hey , beyond my control . Just go to work pay my bills and keep some ammo ready .
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:49:33 AM
Anyone that voted for Trump or is still defending Trump right now deserves this virus

I'm glad I saw this a couple of days later because had I seen it at the time you posted it we'd have had a real quotable Applebees moment.

Still bares repeating what an easily deceivable rube you've shown yourself to be over and over. Or are we still wishing death on high school kids for doing nothing but getting racist and homophobic excrement yelled at them while some poopchute bangs a drum in their face?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I'm glad I saw this a couple of days later because had I seen it at the time you posted it we'd have had a real quotable Applebees moment.

Still bares repeating what an easily deceivable rube you've shown yourself to be over and over. Or are we still wishing death on high school kids for doing nothing but getting racist and homophobic excrement yelled at them while some poopchute bangs a drum in their face?

1.  I hope all of those MAGA Hitler's Youth kids have coronavirus and/or AIDS.

2.  I still hope that everyone that voted for Trump gets the virus after all of the ventilators are gone. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 08:52:15 AM
1.  I hope all of those MAGA Hitler's Youth kids have coronavirus and/or AIDS.

2.  I still hope that everyone that voted for Trump gets the virus after all of the ventilators are gone. 

Get help
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:53:21 AM
Get help

Get COVID-19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:53:39 AM
1.  I hope all of those MAGA Hitler's Youth kids have coronavirus and/or AIDS.

2.  I still hope that everyone that voted for Trump gets the virus after all of the ventilators are gone.

Lmaoooo, you're a stupid sack of excrement with absolutely no ability to admit you were wrong, confirmed.

Get throat cancer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:56:22 AM
Lmaoooo, you're a stupid sack of excrement with absolutely no ability to admit you were wrong, confirmed.

Get throat cancer.


I'm not wrong.  The moment they put those stupid derriere red hats on their heads, they fucked up.

Those "kids" are already terrible people at no fault of their own.  I guess you see yourself in them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
I'm not wrong.  The moment they put those stupid derriere red hats on their heads, they fucked up.

Those "kids" are already terrible people at no fault of their own.  I guess you see yourself in them.

Ah I see.

Someone wears a hat in support of the President and they get what they deserve right?

That's not completely freaking insane.

freak off with this absolutely unhinged nonsense.

You're 120 percent wrong.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:00:07 AM
Get COVID-19

Most people will 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
Ah I see.

Someone wears a hat in support of the President and they get what they deserve right?

That's not completely freaking insane.

freak off with this absolutely unhinged nonsense.

You're 120 percent wrong.

The problem with you, a confirmed racist (it wasn't confirmed, but we always knew it because you are a grown man that watches wrestling but now it's confirmed), is that you do not see what that hat represents to just about every minority in our country.

If you put that hat on or support this president, you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag.  No. Matter. What. 

Make America Great Again, but only if you're white. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 09:07:14 AM
I find it interesting that in this Coronavirus Bill that passed they're giving 100 billion dollars to hospitals and 350 billion to small businesses

I guess old lady porcelain dolls and shiity pizzas are going to end all our problems
It may that there are more small businesses than hospitals.  Just numbers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
The problem with you, a confirmed racist (it wasn't confirmed, but we always knew it because you are a grown man that watches wrestling but now it's confirmed), is that you do not see what that hat represents to just about every minority in our country.

If you put that hat on or support this president, you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag.  No. Matter. What. 

Make America Great Again, but only if you're white. 



(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/096/564/2f7.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
There's nothing like trolling some Nazis in the morning

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Wait, is Jumbo a MAGA loser too? 

C'mon man
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:10:13 AM
Wait, is Jumbo a MAGA loser too? 

C'mon man

Believe it or not, I can dislike Trump while also thinking that post was terrible
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2020, 09:10:46 AM
Believe it or not, I can dislike Trump while also thinking that post was terrible

Any chance of expressing those sentiments without resorting to 4chan memes?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:11:52 AM
Trump must be racist. He didn't promise that the next Supreme Court Justice will be a black woman
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Believe it or not, I can dislike Trump while also thinking that post was terrible

So you watch WWE? 

Makes sense
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?

thanks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 09:18:31 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?

thanks.
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
The problem with you, a confirmed racist (it wasn't confirmed, but we always knew it because you are a grown man that watches wrestling but now it's confirmed), is that you do not see what that hat represents to just about every minority in our country.

If you put that hat on or support this president, you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag.  No. Matter. What. 

Make America Great Again, but only if you're white.

There's so much stupid excrement in this post I don't know where to start.

1. Wrestling has about as multicultural a crowd as you're going to get. And I'll put my personal life experience over the last two years doing what I did over your failed washout coaching career or whatever the freak it is you were up to.

I get it, you finally found someone to freak you, and she either has friends or family who were at-risk under the border/immigration crackdown proposed by the President. Unable to form your own original thought, or objectively analyze complex issues or see nuance in them, you've just nakedly decided to adopt the worst of the rhetoric because you're a stupid freak. That doesn't make me or mine racist, that makes you an ignorant shitbag.

2. Just. Because. You. Put. A. Period. After. A. Post. Like. Some. queynte. On. Tumblr. Doesn't. Make. It. Fact. But then again, the rest of your rhetoric sounds like some estrogen filled psycho on a Huffington Post comments section, so whats the difference.

3. I know, that must explain the unemployment numbers minority communities were enjoying before this quagmire, and the criminal justice reform put in place by this administration, you absolute freaking clod.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 09:23:04 AM
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?

like a knife in the heart, you stabbeth thee.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:24:33 AM
Any chance of expressing those sentiments without resorting to 4chan memes?

Well soooooorry I didn't think the post I quoted required a serious response lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:25:05 AM
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?

Extra year will increase revenues, keep players under contract while giving us more cap room /dcmmode
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
There's so much stupid excrement in this post I don't know where to start.

1. Wrestling has about as multicultural a crowd as you're going to get. And I'll put my personal life experience over the last two years doing what I did over your failed washout coaching career or whatever the freak it is you were up to.

I get it, you finally found someone to freak you, and she either has friends or family who were at-risk under the border/immigration crackdown proposed by the President. Unable to form your own original thought, or objectively analyze complex issues or see nuance in them, you've just nakedly decided to adopt the worst of the rhetoric because you're a stupid freak. That doesn't make me or mine racist, that makes you an ignorant shitbag.

2. Just. Because. You. Put. A. Period. After. A. Post. Like. Some. queynte. On. Tumblr. Doesn't. Make. It. Fact. But then again, the rest of your rhetoric sounds like some estrogen filled psycho on a Huffington Post comments section, so whats the difference.

3. I know, that must explain the unemployment numbers minority communities were enjoying before this quagmire, and the criminal justice reform put in place by this administration, you absolute freaking clod.

Personal life experience of being a furloughed, racist attorney living in a gated community*  (TWO WHOLE YEARS?!)

And yes, I "washed out" of public education because it was way too hard for the money I was making.  I have no problem admitting that. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 09:27:41 AM
Extra year will increase revenues, keep players under contract while giving us more cap room /dcmmode
The cap savings will create a vortex, then eventually a black hole of dead money that will consume Trumaine Johnson's contract, creating a 2022 6th round comp pick.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?


mike freeman

@mikefreemanNFL
One thing to pass along: I’m increasingly hearing from coaches and front office executives that they believe it will be nearly impossible for the season to start on time. Some believe training camp will start in the fall.

313
7:49 AM - Mar 25, 2020
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?

thanks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkDhB3_QoI
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 10:10:52 AM
I heard you can contract COVID-19 from reading that cocksucking, propagandizing, toilet paper

Kind of like what happens when we read your opinions on things, cool.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 10:18:04 AM
Kind of like what happens when we read your opinions on things, cool.

That's not coronavirus

It's swamp derriere
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 10:37:03 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?

thanks.

https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/1242822559940427777?s=21

Are the two things related? Most definitely
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-Hpy8_JCVU/?igshid=fjccvuqdxl06

My President

https://twitter.com/thenotoriousmma/status/1242802072417861632?s=21

Can’t wait until he’s the Prime Minister of Ireland
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 10:48:29 AM
its not that interesting because its an opinion piece behind a paywall from a right-wing business magazine.

I know who in their right mind wants to read an article or opinion on the virus from 2 Dr.'s that are also Professors of medicine at Stanford. If only they smoked weed and ate cheetos all day long their opinion would be so much more valued.

Jesus this place is getting dumber and dumber by the day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
You voted for Trump or still support him: “you’re a right-wing racist piece of excrement who deserves to die a slow death from any virus, not just this one.”

You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”

Jesus...this thread is a prime example of why this country was going to excrement BEFORE any of this started. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 11:00:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P77bUdE4p4&feature=youtu.be&t=62
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:04:32 AM
You voted for Trump or still support him: “you’re a right-wing racist piece of excrement who deserves to die a slow death from any virus, not just this one.”

You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”

Jesus...this thread is a prime example of why this country was going to excrement BEFORE any of this started.

Pretty much
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:05:37 AM
Same . Boat. Just bpught a house end if January , just got in a good company after suffering a 500 employee site closure with a bad one

My AC just went out with FL summer coming. Just financed 6800 for that , my bills aren't immune to corona and with both my jobs being essential. Its either go home voluntarily and get crushed by debt or keep the money flowing

Id have proffered a 2 week shutdown but logistically I see the hurdles

I'm more of an independent guy politically , but Trump has handled this like a Grade A moron

On the flipside I do feel like my company is doing everything they can to get as many out of 42k ppl working from hone they can . Another 5k work units arrived Tuesday.  Priority is going to workmates out west though but HR already confirming ppls addresses and work extensions to setup equipment for WFH (work from home )



Congrats, you picked a fine time to buy a house. lol Good luck and all. Being you're working for an essential business you're better off than most currently. Who knows how long that will last.

My company is not going under, it's front lines and great medical coverage, just shitty wages. I make more at my internship but that is dissolving in a few weeks. Although they want to keep me on in some capacity, maybe get all my financial licenses back. By the time I am done with school I am hoping the economy is on a road to recovery. Who knows though, if this keeps up longer than a quarter we may just sail right through recession into a depression. That's not good by any metric. Plus our country is being run by a fucktard. strange times....

I hate the political process right now,
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:08:05 AM
You voted for Trump or still support him: “you’re a right-wing racist piece of excrement who deserves to die a slow death from any virus, not just this one.”

You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”

Jesus...this thread is a prime example of why this country was going to excrement BEFORE any of this started. 

Pretty much spot on............. I should probably wish death of a 1000 virus's on you.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:13:21 AM
Congrats, you picked a fine time to buy a house. lol Good luck and all. Being you're working for an essential business you're better off than most currently. Who knows how long that will last.

My company is not going under, it's front lines and great medical coverage, just shitty wages. I make more at my internship but that is dissolving in a few weeks. Although they want to keep me on in some capacity, maybe get all my financial licenses back. By the time I am done with school I am hoping the economy is on a road to recovery. Who knows though, if this keeps up longer than a quarter we may just sail right through recession into a depression. That's not good by any metric. Plus our country is being run by a fucktard. strange times....

I hate the political process right now,

Yeah my life went off the rails on multiple fronts back in November . SFD finally reached out and now that my life is finally back on track (sans  Corona) I'm back

Yeah I used to care more about politics , but it has regressed into college sports where people scream for their color with their ears plugged lol

As someone whose beliefs range all over the spectrum based on the topic , I gave up on the two party system a decade ago . Now I just care about excrement I can control lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:17:42 AM

Disregarding the ignorant fucktards, here's the article/opinion I linked, like it or not, it's interesting:

If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out n cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.

Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.

The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.

Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.

Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vò, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vò were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.

The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.

How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.

The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.

This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.

If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.

A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.

Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
Yeah my life went off the rails on multiple fronts back in November . SFD finally reached out and now that my life is finally back on track (sans  Corona) I'm back

Yeah I used to care more about politics , but it has regressed into college sports where people scream for their color with their ears plugged lol

As someone whose beliefs range all over the spectrum based on the topic , I gave up on the two party system a decade ago . Now I just care about excrement I can control lol

I hear you. I am done with the 2 party system as well. I like some things both parties put forth but mostly they suck. The worse part is there's going to be a greater divide than ever between them. Especially, with the ultra conservative component in the GOP and then the socialist component of the Dems. This country is going backwards if either of those 2 win.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 11:32:47 AM
Yeah my life went off the rails on multiple fronts back in November . SFD finally reached out and now that my life is finally back on track (sans  Corona) I'm back

Yeah I used to care more about politics , but it has regressed into college sports where people scream for their color with their ears plugged lol

As someone whose beliefs range all over the spectrum based on the topic , I gave up on the two party system a decade ago . Now I just care about excrement I can control lol

Still plodding away with that shctick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.

I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Still plodding away with that shctick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.

I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.

Bwtween that and the auto corrections I have cemented my legacy
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
Bwtween that and the auto corrections I have cemented my legacy

Doesn't matter you will never see the person that was directed to at another tailgate ever, he's a bundle of sticks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 11:46:33 AM
I hear you. I am done with the 2 party system as well. I like some things both parties put forth but mostly they suck. The worse part is there's going to be a greater divide than ever between them. Especially, with the ultra conservative component in the GOP and then the socialist component of the Dems. This country is going backwards if either of those 2 win.
In other words...we're all fucked.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
Doesn't matter you will never see the person that was directed to at another tailgate ever, he's a bundle of sticks.

Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:48:30 AM
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By Dasl Yoon and Timothy W. Martin | Photographs by Jean Chung for The Wall Street Journal
March 19, 2020 5:37 am ET

SEOUL—Lee Hyuk-min sets his alarm at 4:45 a.m. He rolls out of bed, sits down at his home office desk within minutes and then begins his day’s work: analyzing a chart of novel coronavirus test data, separating the positives from the negatives.

A clinical microbiologist, Dr. Lee gets six batches of test results throughout the day. He reviews most of them at the laboratory where he works at Yonsei University Health System’s Severance Hospital in Seoul. He punches out by 11 p.m. But he is typically woken up in the middle of the night to review even more.

“It’s tough,” Dr. Lee said, “but it’s tough for everyone.”

South Korea has absorbed an onslaught of novel coronavirus infections that has left many countries’ health systems rattled. One reason it has managed to check the virus’s spread and bring down its infection rate has been an efficient testing network that allowed it to quickly isolate those infected. The country has run nearly 300,000 tests, double that of Italy’s tally despite having less than a third of confirmed coronavirus cases.

And the U.S., though ramping up capacity, has only screened about one-tenth of what South Korea has, based on the number of tests conducted at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention facilities and other public-health labs. America’s numbers may not quickly balloon either: the Trump administration is planning to prioritize social distancing over blanket testing.

South Korea’s testing network was a legacy of a deadly outbreak of the MERS coronavirus in 2015 and kicked into gear during the new coronavirus outbreak in late January. Doctors, medical staff, laboratories and political leaders took on roles and followed protocols established in recent years.


Drive-through clinics have helped South Korea test nearly 300,000 people.
Dr. Lee, and others like him, represent the final checkpoint in this system, a coordinated diagnostics operation that knits together 633 test sites and more than 100 laboratories nationwide. It is a uniform setup: The labs use the same testing equipment, do the same training and make decisions based on the same information.

At 8 a.m., every South Korean laboratory uploads the results of their coronavirus tests to a shared database, allowing for public and private hospitals around the country to monitor their patients’ results and report them to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Hospitals upload testing details to an online directory created by experts from an infectious-disease medical society.

“The surveillance allows us to predict where we need to focus our efforts,” said Dr. Lee, 49, who has advised the South Korean government on Covid-19 laboratory-testing issues. “It’s also a network to share any problems that arise from inconclusive tests.”

Battle Tested for Covid-19
South Korea has screened more widely thanother hard-hit countries.

South Korea’s approach was developed following the MERS outbreak, which resembled the chaos now seen elsewhere. The country was slow in approving test kits and pushed diagnostics work to fewer than five state-run facilities. Labs took four or five days to confirm results. Patients exhibiting respiratory illness symptoms went undiagnosed and unknowingly infected others. The roughly two-month outbreak left 186 people infected, 38 of whom died.

Afterward, South Korea overhauled its emergency response system. It gave large private hospitals—which played a small role in testing during the MERS outbreak—approval to assist with diagnostic testing, demanded hospitals train extra staff to operate the machinery and established separate laboratory-medicine departments.

The changes took two years to put into place. But when the coronavirus outbreak began in January, South Korean health officials could immediately enlist more than 100 facilities for tests and can now screen up to 20,000 people a day. Other post-MERS changes reduced the time companies needed to win regulatory approval for new tests. An accelerated approval system was implemented in 2016.

As coronavirus spreads across the world, countries are setting up drive-through clinics to make it easier for their citizens to get tested. WSJ’s Andrew Jeong visited a test site in South Korea to see how it works. Photo: Denis Bosnic for the Wall Street Journal
South Korea crucially let local biotech firms craft their own tests based on disease modeling that used the Covid-19 genetic test code released by China in January. The first company won approval for its kit on Feb. 4— two weeks before infections surged. Now, South Korea has five test-kit suppliers that use different materials but all deploy the same testing method.

But test availability is only one half of the equation, as a stable of laboratories are needed to confirm results, said Lee Wang-jun, chairman at the Myongji Hospital in Seoul and an adviser for the South Korean government’s Covid-19 response team.


A lab at Yonsei University Health System’s Severance Hospital in Seoul, one of more than 100 in South Korea.
“There’s no point in just having a lot of testing kits,” said Dr. Lee, noting Myongji has two testing machines running all day. “You also need the manpower and the laboratories.”

Innovation also played a key role. The government introduced drive-through testing sites that minimized contact and sped up testing, an idea that has quickly been adopted in some states in the U.S. Some hospitals ask patients to step into an enclosed space, resembling a phone booth, where medical staff swab for samples by using arm-length rubber gloves built into a plastic panel.

The World Health Organization singled out South Korea for praise on Wednesday for developing innovative testing strategies.


The situation looks different in the U.S., where hospitals and citizens are still scrambling to boost test availability. The Food and Drug Administration this week moved to allow lab companies to release coronavirus tests without prior government approval. But the supply of products and chemicals needed to run the tests is dwindling.

“The demand is outstripping our ability to perform those tests in a timely fashion,” said Benjamin Pinsky, medical director at the Stanford Clinical Virology Laboratory, which has created its own diagnostic test.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks in the U.S.’s nationwide rollout of tests was the FDA’s requirement that labs developing their own tests had to essentially use a live virus sample to have their tests certified—a criteria it has since relaxed. Alex Greninger, an assistant director of the University of Washington’s virology division in Seattle, said his team rushed to locate a live virus sample that could prove its test trustworthy enough for FDA standards.

Test kits have been one of the main ways to determine if a patient has coronavirus, but results from throat-swab tests can be inaccurate. WSJ visited a lab in Singapore to see how the kits work and find out why there are questions over accuracy. Photo: Crystal Tai
But Dr. Greninger had a problem: The coronavirus hadn’t yet spread in the Washington area. “We didn’t have many specimens to validate testing,” he said. “I worked the phones a lot.”

He eventually sourced an extraction from a live sample in late February, just as the state of Washington’s coronavirus outbreak started accelerating.

South Korea didn’t set such requirements for test manufacturers. The country, with 8,565 confirmed cases as of Thursday, now ranks eighth globally, having been surpassed by the U.S. and France in the past day.


Yonsei’s Lee Hyuk-min says the turnaround for results typically takes six hours upon getting the samples at his Seoul lab.
Dr. Lee of Yonsei said his hospital could test the roughly 300 coronavirus samples collected throughout the day all at once. The reason they do it six times a day, he says, is to speed up the process of identifying, quarantining and treating patients.

His hospital’s capacity is small relative to other large, private laboratories that can process more than 3,000 tests a day.

Medical experts advising the government on Covid-19 said South Korea’s infectious-disease management system has been transformed by the involvement of specialists in the field, compared with the government’s delayed response to MERS due to a lack of expertise.

“In the early stages of the MERS outbreak, infectious-disease specialists were not involved at all, and initial prevention was a failure,” said Kim Woo-joo, the former head of the MERS rapid-response team and an infectious-disease professor at Korea University in Seoul.


Coronavirus test results are shown on a monitor.
South Korea, with 52 million people, had an easier time tracking down patients than China or the U.S., as it is the geographic size of Indiana. When a massive cluster of cases occurred at the secretive Shincheonji Church of Jesus in Daegu, the country focused its initial efforts on tracking down and testing the 10,000 churchmembers in the city—and those who had crossed paths with them—regardless of their symptoms.

Early identification is key in infectious-disease management, health experts say. When South Korea identified its first coronavirus patient on Jan. 20, biotech companies already had developed test kits and were awaiting approval.

“The U.S. already missed the golden time,” Yonsei’s Dr. Lee said. “It took them too long to identify the first patient, and in the meantime, thousands would already have been infected.”

Write to Dasl Yoon at dasl.yoon@wsj.com and Timothy W. Martin at timothy.martin@wsj.com
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
https://twitter.com/theb0tfather/status/1242551951516225537?s=21

This thread gave me Coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
Bwtween that and the auto corrections I have cemented my legacy

Welcome back brother
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:52:09 AM
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol

Yes lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 11:52:26 AM
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol
Naa, he's alright, we're just giving him excrement for a few years he said he'd be there then backed out.  Especially the green Camaro year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
Welcome back brother

Good to be back

Just took a pandemic to get me going lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
In other words...we're all fucked.

Similar to when you open up this forum, prepare for penetration.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 12:04:43 PM
Similar to when you open up this forum, prepare for penetration.
The way the MTA is treating me (all of us) right now, my poopchute is nice and lubed up for sure.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
Naa, he's alright, we're just giving him excrement for a few years he said he'd be there then backed out.  Especially the green Camaro year.

This
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 12:08:01 PM
Good to be back

Just took a pandemic to get me going lol

Cool welcome back until the next zombie apocalypse!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol

Puck doesn't recognize balls unless they're across his chin.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 01:29:32 PM
Good to be back

Just took a pandemic to get me going lol

And welcome back. *Passes the cheese dust*
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:37:45 PM
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
31m
The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP.  We will be stronger than ever before!


This stupid piece of excrement needs to freaking die already. freak you idc he needs to be got. hes going to get people freaking killed because hes such a gigantic piece of retarded excrement.

freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 03:41:44 PM
freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement

@mj2sexay
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
alternatively, maybe hes actually a sleeper agent hell-bent on having churches jam packed on easter sunday, killing millions of christians or catholics or whatever fuckin religion celebrates it with a new plague

maybe he is actually the anti-christ
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2020, 03:44:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)

I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed).  We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.

U! S! A!  U! S! A!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:46:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)

I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed).  We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.

U! S! A!  U! S! A!

numbers cant go up if you cant get tested

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/138/highresrollsafe.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2020, 03:49:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)

I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed).  We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.

U! S! A!  U! S! A!

At the rate things are going currently you're going to be #1 by Friday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 03:50:10 PM

This stupid piece of excrement needs to freaking die already. freak you idc he needs to be got. hes going to get people freaking killed because hes such a gigantic piece of retarded excrement.

freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement

Make sure you @ all the non Trump supporters that have been echoing the same sentiments about the economy for weeks before Trump started in on this
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 03:50:49 PM

This stupid piece of excrement needs to freaking die already. freak you idc he needs to be got. hes going to get people freaking killed because hes such a gigantic piece of retarded excrement.

freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement


wait


so you DON'T like trump?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
i'd be surprised canada isnt higher on the list, but that'd mean we were also testing.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
i'd be surprised canada isnt higher on the list, but that'd mean we were also testing.



We've done 130K tests to date, returning a 2.5% positive rate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 04:00:00 PM

I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed).  We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.

U! S! A!  U! S! A!

imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 04:27:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)

I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed).  We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.

U! S! A!  U! S! A!
Let’s continue to not shut everything down though. Lol unbelievable
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 25, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
Let’s continue to not shut everything down though. Lol unbelievable
This idea of reopening the country is going to look even more ridiculous this time next week when hundreds of people are dying each day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/

That guy is the WORST
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2020, 05:10:02 PM
imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes

yeah, touche
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes

what about the numbers from italy
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2020, 05:59:09 PM
Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/

without looking it up/knowing, i'm sure this guy is pro - life, and i'm sure he'd find a way to justify it and say the situations are different if it was brought up to him. something like the oldies have already had enough time on earth and the babies can't defend themselves
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 06:48:21 PM
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“No one reached out to me and said, ‘as a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’” Patrick said. “And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in.”  

And that doesn't make me noble or brave or anything like that," he continued. "I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me... that what we care about and what we love more than anything are those children."


"I'm not saying I'm a hero..."
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 06:49:19 PM
The most heroic action of all, letting other people die.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 07:28:39 PM
Disregarding the ignorant fucktards, here's the article/opinion I linked, like it or not, it's interesting:

If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out n cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.

Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.

The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.

Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.

Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vò, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vò were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.

The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.

How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.

The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.

This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.

If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.

A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.

Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article.

I think one of the biggest reasons the fatality rate is much higher in China (other than their government murdering them or presumably them having shitty Healthcare) is smoking rates. China is the biggest consumer of cigarettes in the world and has one of the highest smoking rates in the world. And studies have suggested that smoking is the reason men are far more likely to die from Corona then women (because men are far more likely to smoke)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:14:45 PM
Personal life experience of being a furloughed, racist attorney living in a gated community*  (TWO WHOLE YEARS?!)

And yes, I "washed out" of public education because it was way too hard for the money I was making.  I have no problem admitting that.

I was working as a public defender you stupid freak. Some cunts like you like to think by espousing your horseshit, you're making the world a better place. I was actually defending the indigent. Real large amount of PD's "living in gated communities" FFS, the town I live in was called a pooper around these parts when I asked about it before I moved there.

You're a queynte, IATA's a stupid freak and you can both go fist yourselves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:22:13 PM

You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”


Show me where I went anywhere close to an ad hominem like this. Unlike Heis who actually pretty much lived up to the stereotype.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
I was working as a public defender you stupid freak.

You have no idea what it's like in an actual "indigent" community.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:39:59 PM
You have no idea what it's like in an actual "indigent" community.

OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo I'm sure you're a fountain of information about it.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:01:54 PM
OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo I'm sure you're a fountain of information about it.

I mean probably more so than anyone that posts on this board.

I have a certain appreciation for what public defenders do to an extent, but more often than not, they don't see where those people started and where they come from.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 25, 2020, 09:16:44 PM
My old ship is on lockdown in home port. There’s a box at the end of the pier that family members can drop off supplies and snacks. I’m done complaining about shore duty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
I was working as a public defender you stupid freak. Some cunts like you like to think by espousing your horseshit, you're making the world a better place. I was actually defending the indigent. Real large amount of PD's "living in gated communities" FFS, the town I live in was called a pooper around these parts when I asked about it before I moved there.

You're a queynte, IATA's a stupid freak and you can both go fist yourselves.
no u
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:40:43 PM
This thread has become the most aids riddled
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.

While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
This thread has become the most aids riddled
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.

While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful

I am with you. I am getting tired of the bullshit here. We started as a group of friends that wanted better football discussion and has morphed into this nasty bullshit in this thread and I am freaking tired of it.

MJ has been with us since the beginning and to be honest I do not like and do not agree with many of his political opinions. You know what they're his opinions. I can say the same for Badger, JE and such as well. MJ is not a scumbag and his family and he do not deserve a virus because he voted for Trump just the same as Badger, JE ( you didn't vote I know) and the like do not deserve anything for voting the other way or having a different opinion about socioeconomic principals.


I have met all of them personally, they're good people and I consider them good friends. When we're together I can't recall a political discussion, mostly because we're drunk and having fun.

You don't like MJ's opinion attack the opinion, if you can't do that, shut the freaking hell up. This thread has been tarded up, and gotten nasty to the point I don't really want to log in to this place any longer.


It may be a scary time for some and or you're going stir crazy, it's no freaking reason to take it out on each other. Don't say you're joking either you can tell the difference, this is all kinds of getting personal and that's freaking garbage on each and every one of you. I know for a fact some of the people trying to get personal didn't enjoy it when it happened to them and may have gotten the other parties banned, ( I won't name names but you know), so stop the freaking bullshit.

We don't have a lot of posters here and this place is going to die if we continue down this road to becoming a cesspool of bullshit.


My Dad voted trump and I didn't agree with it. He's not a scumbag, you all have met him and he's one of the nicest and most sincere people you'll ever meet. He's not the tongue for nothing.

I am tired of the nasty personal rhetoric here and if it doesn't stop, I am out for good.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 25, 2020, 10:31:04 PM
I am with you. I am getting tired of the bullshit here. We started as a group of friends that wanted better football discussion and has morphed into this nasty bullshit in this thread and I am freaking tired of it.

MJ has been with us since the beginning and to be honest I do not like and do not agree with many of his political opinions. You know what they're his opinions. I can say the same for Badger, JE and such as well. MJ is not a scumbag and his family and he do not deserve a virus because he voted for Trump just the same as Badger, JE ( you didn't vote I know) and the like do not deserve anything for voting the other way or having a different opinion about socioeconomic principals.


I have met all of them personally, they're good people and I consider them good friends. When we're together I can't recall a political discussion, mostly because we're drunk and having fun.

You don't like MJ's opinion attack the opinion, if you can't do that, shut the freaking hell up. This thread has been tarded up, and gotten nasty to the point I don't really want to log in to this place any longer.


It may be a scary time for some and or you're going stir crazy, it's no freaking reason to take it out on each other. Don't say you're joking either you can tell the difference, this is all kinds of getting personal and that's freaking garbage on each and every one of you. I know for a fact some of the people trying to get personal didn't enjoy it when it happened to them and may have gotten the other parties banned, ( I won't name names but you know), so stop the freaking bullshit.

We don't have a lot of posters here and this place is going to die if we continue down this road to becoming a cesspool of bullshit.


My Dad voted trump and I didn't agree with it. He's not a scumbag, you all have met him and he's one of the nicest and most sincere people you'll ever meet. He's not the tongue for nothing.

I am tired of the nasty personal rhetoric here and if it doesn't stop, I am out for good.
Suck my dick and tell me you love me bundle of sticks
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:53:15 PM
Suck my dick and tell me you love me bundle of sticks

You like rooster more than any bundle of sticks here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2020, 12:13:19 AM
You know shits getting real when dcm and puck are the voices of reason around here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2020, 12:14:33 AM
You like rooster more than any bundle of sticks here.
Dunlop. You suck rooster.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 12:29:19 AM
You know shits getting real when dcm and puck are the voices of reason around here.

You even quoted the Tongue!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2020, 01:22:21 AM
Glad i Quartine
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 04:52:52 AM
Ever since basically every gym in the freaking country closed this excrement has driven me batshit crazy. Stupid excrement I can deal with (ie restaurants closing) but this completely derriere fucks my whole routine
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 26, 2020, 05:59:19 AM
what about the numbers from italy

Are way more inherently believable than the numbers published by the country that has consistently lied about everything relating to this from the beginning?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 26, 2020, 06:00:09 AM
Two months ago the CCP, along with their puppet who heads the WHO, were trying to claim that this virus couldn't spread from human to human.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 07:35:46 AM
Around 3 and a half million people filing for unemployment

The previous record was like 700k

Yikes

Americans displaced by the coronavirus crisis filed unemployment claims in record numbers, with the Labor Department reporting Thursday a surge to 3.28 million.

The number shatters the Great Recession peak of 665,000 in March 2009 and the all-time mark of 695,000 in October 1982. The previous week, which reflected the period before the worst of the coronavirus hit, was just 282,000.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Ever since basically every gym in the freaking country closed this excrement has driven me batshit crazy. Stupid excrement I can deal with (ie restaurants closing) but this completely derriere fucks my whole routine

I'm on day 13 of #quartine


it's starting to get dicey.  I miss the gym and restaurants.  Hell, social interaction in general.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 07:48:57 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1168386?__twitter_impression=true

A 42-year-old hospital worker in Georgia who had coronavirus was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child by her body.

Diedre Wilkes' body was discovered Thursday in the living room of her home in Newnan, about 40 miles southwest of Atlanta, after a family member called the Coweta County Sheriff's Office requesting a welfare check, the coroner, Richard Hawk, told NBC News on Wednesday.

It's believed she died 12 to 16 hours before she was found, the coroner said.

A posthumous coronavirus test was conducted and came back positive for COVID-19, according to Hawk. Wilkes did not have any known underlying health conditions, and an autopsy is being conducted, he said.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 07:51:46 AM
I'm on day 13 of #quartine


it's starting to get dicey.  I miss the gym and restaurants.  Hell, social interaction in general.

Works become since a mixed bag since this whole thing. It's nice to see and interact with people. But freak it's the most fucked up excrement ever

And yeah social interaction is getting desperate. All the freaking time I spend on here, really hitting rock bottom
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
Works become since a mixed bag since this whole thing. It's nice to see and interact with people. But freak it's the most fucked up excrement ever

And yeah social interaction is getting desperate. All the freaking time I spend on here, really hitting rock bottom
Contrary to some previous posts I've made, I hope you don't die.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2020, 07:55:50 AM
Works become since a mixed bag since this whole thing. It's nice to see and interact with people. But freak it's the most fucked up excrement ever

And yeah social interaction is getting desperate. All the freaking time I spend on here, really hitting rock bottom

Stay safe on that front line.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 08:10:04 AM
Haha appreciated. I'm not particularly concerned about myself. Not that I'm some freaking idiot who thinks he's God, (and let's be honest I'm not some self sacrificing Saint either) But I'm a healthy fairly young ish person so statistics are on my side.

But it's gonna be fucked up few months for everyone for sure. And I think the whole USA might be a really fucked up place for a year or two
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 08:18:37 AM
Ever since basically every gym in the freaking country closed this excrement has driven me batshit crazy. Stupid excrement I can deal with (ie restaurants closing) but this completely derriere fucks my whole routine

I carefully planned for this situation by ensuring that I didn't use my gym membership at all for the last five months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 08:33:52 AM
I carefully planned for this situation by ensuring that I didn't use my gym membership at all for the last five months.

I'm seriously contemplating breaking into the gym in the apartment complex I rent in in the middle of the night. My key fob still works, so despite all the bullshit signs that the state mandates everything closes, I figured I could plead ignorance.

Not sure what the worst they can do to me is 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
I'm seriously contemplating breaking into the gym in the apartment complex I rent in in the middle of the night. My key fob still works, so despite all the bullshit signs that the state mandates everything closes, I figured I could plead ignorance.

Not sure what the worst they can do to me is 🤷‍♂️

Send you to jail and you get gang raped by 10 roided out guys that love to use the prison gym.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 09:53:55 AM
Send you to jail and you get gang raped by 10 roided out guys that love to use the prison gym.

I bet at least their freaking gyms are open
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2020, 09:57:45 AM
It took a pandemic but dcm has officially become one of the better posters around here. Yikes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
I bet at least their freaking gyms are open

That's the irony.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
It took a pandemic but dcm has officially become one of the better posters around here. Yikes.

(https://i.imgflip.com/3lebc5.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
AHIP has pushed out my company's certification and training indefinitely...

Pretty bad when insurance companies that can make a decent profit off of something like this are backing off. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 10:27:25 AM
AHIP has pushed out my company's certification and training indefinitely...

Pretty bad when insurance companies that can make a decent profit off of something like this are backing off. 

I'd imagine insurance companies are taking an absolute bath on this excrement right now.

Ridiculous amounts of outgoing payments, and record breaking numbers of people losing their jobs unable to pay their premiums and bills.

And I don't know specifics about what's happening in the insurance industry but I was under the impression the government would step in to ensure that COVID-19 excrement gets covered so that people get tested/treated.

Regardless I have to imagine this is a really bad time for insurers. And I imagine it'll get worse for them when this turns into the (possibly?) the biggest push for single payer ever after the dust settles. Especially since a lot of these insurance companies are probably getting annihilated because of all the businesses going under (not necessarily health insurance but they cover that kinda excrement too)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1168386?__twitter_impression=true

A 42-year-old hospital worker in Georgia who had coronavirus was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child by her body.

Diedre Wilkes' body was discovered Thursday in the living room of her home in Newnan, about 40 miles southwest of Atlanta, after a family member called the Coweta County Sheriff's Office requesting a welfare check, the coroner, Richard Hawk, told NBC News on Wednesday.

It's believed she died 12 to 16 hours before she was found, the coroner said.

A posthumous coronavirus test was conducted and came back positive for COVID-19, according to Hawk. Wilkes did not have any known underlying health conditions, and an autopsy is being conducted, he said.



Found this more fucked up  (well not the part about her 4 year old, that's just beyond fucked up)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/kious-kelly-hospital-nurse-dies-trash-bags-2020-3%3famp

A nurse at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York died from COVID-19 after learning he was infected by the novel coronavirus almost two weeks ago. Protective medical gowns are in such short supply in the Mount Sinai system that some nurses have started to use Hefty-brand garbage bags instead, according to photos on social media.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 26, 2020, 11:23:38 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/af5b73d855ef082f7de21970352103f8.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 11:27:51 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/af5b73d855ef082f7de21970352103f8.jpg)

I've seen numbers floated in the 30-40 million range but I find that unfathomably unbelievable and apocalyptic

That's when you start talking the death of America

But regardless this is just beginning to get tarted. You have to think there's seriously strong chance at this ending up north of 10 million
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2020, 01:36:26 PM
It took a pandemic but dcm has officially become one of the better posters around here. Yikes.
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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 26, 2020, 02:05:54 PM
This thread has become the most aids riddled
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.

While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful

Even moreso than the Gase thread?

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelgrubin/status/1243258525066891264?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 03:56:49 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelgrubin/status/1243258525066891264?s=21

That looks like a mask surgeons should use. lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 26, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed).  We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.

(https://i.imgur.com/9PaXzEa.png)

NUMBER ONE BABY 'MURICA!!!!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
That looks like a mask surgeons should use. lol

Here in Canada, we do it the only way Canadians really could.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bauer-offers-make-protective-visors-front-line-health-care-workers/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 04:52:15 PM
Here in Canada, we do it the only way Canadians really could.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bauer-offers-make-protective-visors-front-line-health-care-workers/

That's a safe mask. That's cool on Bauer if it's viable for the the medical personnel and first responders.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9PaXzEa.png)

NUMBER ONE BABY 'MURICA!!!!!

SO much for running numbers?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 05:03:17 PM
That's a safe mask. That's cool on Bauer if it's viable for the the medical personnel and first responders.

In all seriousness, I can see its value but I suspect in isolation it's not enough; it would stop splatter, but nothing aerosolized. That's why we're also equipping our doctors with sticks with which to beat anyone who looks like they might cough. Old style wooden one piece ones though, the composite ones break too easily if you miss the patient and hit the bed rails.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9PaXzEa.png)

NUMBER ONE BABY 'MURICA!!!!!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/kiTqvNky7Gv0E57WnA/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47da23fc960034053a8c82c8039d26b8364b7f9556&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
Regardless I have to imagine this is a really bad time for insurers.

But it's not a bad time for those that sell insurance
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 09:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/iamchrisscott/status/1243340903500206080?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 26, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
https://patch.com/virginia/fredericksburg/va-pastor-musician-dies-coronavirus-he-had-questioned

Quote
VA Pastor, Musician Dies From Coronavirus He Had Questioned

A 66-year-old Virginia musician and pastor who had questioned coronavirus media coverage died from the disease after a trip to New Orleans.

VIRGINIA — A 66-year-old Virginia resident who fell ill with the new coronavirus, or COVID-19, on a trip to New Orleans died Wednesday morning at a hospital in Concord, North Carolina. The death of Landon Spradlin, an accomplished musician and a pastor, has drawn viral attention online, in part because earlier this month Spradlin questioned whether media coverage of the disease was overblown.

Spradlin lived in Gretna, a small town in Pittsylvania County, about halfway between Lynchburg and Danville.

While driving home from New Orleans, Spradlin, who had pastored at several different churches over the years, started feeling much worse. He and his wife, Jean Spradlin, stopped in Concord, where he was admitted to a hospital and diagnosed with pneumonia. He was eventually put on a ventilator as his condition worsened before he died.

Because of hospital restrictions, Spradlin's daughter, Judah Strickland, was not able to be with her father before he died. Strickland told WTVD that she'll try to carry on her father's legacy of faith and music.

Some media outlets have noted that Spradlin shared a meme on his Facebook page that compared coronavirus deaths to swine flu deaths. The meme described the reaction to the coronavirus as "mass hysteria" and suggested the media was using the pandemic to hurt President Donald Trump.

In the comments to the Facebook post, Spradlin said he believes the coronavirus "is a real issue, but I believe the media is pumping out fear and doing more harm than good."

"It will come and it will go," he wrote.  **EDITORS NOTE** It did not.

After news sites published articles Thursday highlighting the meme that Spradlin had shared, people began leaving nasty comments on his Facebook page, calling him an "idiot" and expressing no sympathy for his family members who had lost their husband and father.

Jean Spradlin, who has been in isolation since they arrived in North Carolina, has tested negative for coronavirus but does have double pneumonia, like her husband did. Double pneumonia is when both lungs are infected.

Spradlin's death appears to be showing up in the Virginia Department of Health's data on the coronavirus. The department is reporting one adult death in the state's Pittsylvania-Danville Health District as of Thursday. The department does not release the names of people who test positive or who die from the coronavirus.

Virginia's cases of the new coronavirus increased to 460 on Thursday. Deaths due to COVID-19 are up to 13 statewide and 65 people are hospitalized. The latest state count does not include the death of a staff member with Loudoun County Public Schools, which Loudoun County reported Thursday.

The Blues Hall of Fame in Memphis recognized Spradlin in 2016, inducting him as a Great Blues Artist from Virginia and as an Ambassador from Virginia.

Roanoke singer Kerry Hurley, a friend of Spradlin's, posted to Facebook Wednesday morning that Spradlin "spread the word of God every day he was alive and he praised and worshiped like no other … He will be in my heart until I see his sweet face again in heaven. I love you brother. That's the last thing he said to me."

Hurley wrote in his Facebook post that Spradlin's family "probably won't even be able to properly bury him or have any kind of funeral." Hurley said he plans to have a celebration of his friend when people can gather again. "Anyone that had the honor of knowing him and playing music with him should be there," he wrote.

whoopsie daisy
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
The primary thing I take from that story is that there is somewhere called Pittsylvania and it's not right.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 07:07:54 AM
Quote
Iranian media reports nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened by ingesting toxic methanol across the Islamic Republic out of the false belief it kills the new coronavirus.

-AP

This is Trump’s America.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 07:13:41 AM
Quote

An Iranian doctor helping the country’s Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.
...
 “Unfortunately in some provinces, including Khuzestan and Fars, deaths from drinking methanol has exceeded the number of deaths from the new coronavirus,” he said.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
Pride of eggs tripled since the beginning of March, and quadrupled since the start of the year

About to see some real corona inflation
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
Pride of eggs tripled since the beginning of March, and quadrupled since the start of the year

About to see some real corona inflation

Why? Has coronavirus somehow made egg production more expensive? Or is it the industry raising prices due to increased demand?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
Why? Has coronavirus somehow made egg production more expensive? Or is it the industry raising prices due to increased demand?

Probably some sort of combination of these. I don't know why people are loading up on eggs all of a sudden, though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 10:55:35 AM
Apparently demand for eggs has increased 4 to 6 fold. And other household staples (whatever that umbrella term) are sure to be impacted

Some of these price increases are wholesale so they haven't impacted the Frontline consumer yet.

But I imagine we'll see it in the near future
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
Pride of eggs tripled since the beginning of March, and quadrupled since the start of the year

About to see some real corona inflation

Gas prices are down here...to what they were when i was in high school.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 12:22:46 PM
After allowing movies to open again in China the last 2 weeks, they were all ordered closed again. TBD if it's precautionary or reactively
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 12:34:06 PM
milk is in short supply in SWO, eggs also.

gas was 75cent a liter this morning
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 12:36:40 PM
milk is in short supply in SWO, eggs also.

gas was 75cent a liter this morning

That's a lot, we were at 58.9 yesterday in a couple of places.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2020, 12:44:28 PM
milk is in short supply in SWO, eggs also.

gas was 75cent a liter this morning

stop eating all the eggs and drinking all the milk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
2 emergency alerts just dropped here in SWO

if you travel to ontario from anywhere, you have to isolate 14 days
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:09:47 PM
https://twitter.com/cadiethompson/status/1243583711377006594?s=21

Why are people on cruises right now
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
Canadian Federal Government:
Quote
The federal government recently passed an order requiring people arriving in Canada by land, air or sea, to self-isolate for 14 days, with penalties of up to $1 million or three years in prison
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
https://twitter.com/cadiethompson/status/1243583711377006594?s=21

Why are people on cruises right now

Can't speak for cruises, but I was reading yesterday how private yachts, bunkers, and any kind of isolating travel mechanisms are having sky high demand.

I imagine if there was a cruise that would just stay the freak away from all ports and mainland for 2 months people would go all in on it
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
https://twitter.com/jstnmchl/status/1243360458297364481?s=21

Most depressing thing I’ve seen yet
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:41:19 PM
Can't speak for cruises, but I was reading yesterday how private yachts, bunkers, and any kind of isolating travel mechanisms are having sky high demand.

I imagine if there was a cruise that would just stay the freak away from all ports and mainland for 2 months people would go all in on it

You would have to test people to ensure they’re all negative before letting them all get on a ship together and even then you couldn’t pay me to go
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 01:56:18 PM
You would have to test people to ensure they’re all negative before letting them all get on a ship together and even then you couldn’t pay me to go

Never said it was the brightest idea lol

But assuming you have the right setup (ie enoguh money) I could imagine it's a helluva lot better than the current situation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
Quote
Rhode Island police began stopping cars with New York plates Friday. On Saturday, the National Guard will help them conduct house-to-house searches to find people who traveled from New York and demand 14 days of self-quarantine.

“Right now we have a pinpointed risk,” Governor Gina Raimondo said. “That risk is called New York City.”
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: delavan on March 27, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
not a defense of trump's handling so much as what a snide queynte

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/1243597001754894337
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 27, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
not a defense of trump's handling so much as what a snide queynte

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/1243597001754894337

using an article about a tough time a new york hospital is having to try and get one up on trump

what an evil fvcking bitch
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 05:55:00 PM
using an article about a tough time a new york hospital is having to try and get one up on trump

what an evil fvcking bitch
Almost as Evil as the one who led the country to that spot
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 27, 2020, 05:58:23 PM
Almost as Evil as the one who led the country to that spot

i am not a fan of trump, he has fvcked this situation up royally, but let's not act like hilary is doing this out of remorse over the lives of the people we've lost. she was doing this for her own fcking image and ego

how can she even think of saying something like this to somebody after benghazi? she literally lives in an alternate reality. one of the worst human beings of all time
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 06:01:17 PM
i am not a fan of trump, he has fvcked this situation up royally, but let's not act like hilary is doing this out of remorse over the lives of the people we've lost. she was doing this for her own fcking image and ego

how can she even think of saying something like this to somebody after benghazi? she literally lives in an alternate reality. one of the worst human beings of all time
Would you expect anything less from trump?

You who cares about decorum? Right wingers when they've got nothing else to complain about
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 06:17:27 PM
Would you expect anything less from trump?

You who cares about decorum? Right wingers when they've got nothing else to complain about

Who gives a excrement about Trump. If she posted on Twitter trumps an poopchute i wouldn't give a excrement. Instead she's basically using the suffering of millions as a sarcastic joke.

Trumps a piece of excrement, but so is Hillary.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 06:23:32 PM
Who gives a excrement about Trump. If she posted on Twitter trumps an poopchute i wouldn't give a excrement. Instead she's basically using the suffering of millions as a sarcastic joke.

Trumps a piece of excrement, but so is Hillary.

She basically posted what Reuben did on Wednesday, but actually pointed it at someone who bears some degree of culpability. I don't really understand the problem other than "wah wah Clintons".
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
She basically posted what Reuben did on Wednesday, but actually pointed it at someone who bears some degree of culpability. I don't really understand the problem other than "wah wah Clintons".

She lobbed an insult at Trump. Who do you think found it more offensive. Trump, or people who have lost someone to coronavirus or have someone they care about having the disease?

Imagine someone doing that to Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

I don't disagree Trump has been awful with this. But she's being absolutely classless and shitty. Of course her being a nasty unlikable freak is the reason Trumps president in the first place
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
She lobbed an insult at Trump. Who do you think found it more offensive. Trump, or people who have lost someone to coronavirus or have someone they care about having the disease?

Imagine someone doing that to Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

I don't disagree Trump has been awful with this. But she's being absolutely classless and shitty. Of course her being a nasty unlikable freak is the reason Trumps president in the first place

I don't think Bush post 9/11 is comparable because nothing is comparable to the Trump election campaign.

She doesn't hold public office any more. I suspect her position is that no more fucks are given. After the way she has been treated, I can't say I blame her.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 06:57:09 PM
Why does she have to give a freak? She's not a politician anymore.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
I don't think Bush post 9/11 is comparable because nothing is comparable to the Trump election campaign.

She doesn't hold public office any more. I suspect her position is that no more fucks are given. After the way she has been treated, I can't say I blame her.

People don't need to hold public office to be civil and decent human beings. Obama criticizes Trump all the time, and he's honest about it but acts like a civilized person.

She still was the democratic presidential candidate and first Lady among countless other things. Regardless my point is what she said is disrespectful to the wrong people. Sure it pisses off crazy Trump supporters who will argue everything.

But it gives Trump ammunition, and it slaps people in NYC in the face
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
The only people I've seen complaining about anything is people who think decorum means anything in 2020. Trump threw all that excrement out the window.

Nothing matters any more
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
The only people I've seen complaining about anything is people who think decorum means anything in 2020. Trump threw all that excrement out the window.

Nothing matters any more

Good, it was all pretend bullshit anyway
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 27, 2020, 08:50:19 PM
The only people I've seen complaining about anything is people who think decorum means anything in 2020. Trump threw all that excrement out the window.

Nothing matters any more

she is literally the reason why we have trump
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2020, 09:53:08 PM
https://twitter.com/cadiethompson/status/1243583711377006594?s=21

Why are people on cruises right now
Boomers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2020, 09:53:19 PM
https://twitter.com/CeFaanKim/status/1243715077204856832?s=19

Good news everyone
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 10:37:09 PM
It’s v hard for people to comprehend that both Trump and Hillary can be shitty human beings
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 27, 2020, 11:28:13 PM
It’s v hard for people to comprehend that both Trump and Hillary can be shitty human beings

not really , I  think DCM has done a great job explaining the 2.


Dswordz as well
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 28, 2020, 03:05:04 AM

China cooking the books........nah


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll?sref=yP39NlD2 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll?sref=yP39NlD2)




Quote
Stacks of Urns in Wuhan Prompt New Questions of Virus’s Toll
March 27, 2020, 1:06 AM EDT
 
Photos of thousands of ash urns circulate on social media
China’s public has questioned the accuracy of government tally



The long lines and stacks of ash urns greeting family members of the dead at funeral homes in Wuhan are spurring questions (https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/135068402.html?weibo_id=4486918609669628)
about the true scale of coronavirus casualties at the epicenter of the outbreak, renewing pressure on a Chinese government struggling to control its containment narrative.

The families of those who succumbed to the virus in the central Chinese city, where the disease first emerged in December, were allowed to pick up their cremated ashes at eight local funeral homes starting this week. As they did, photos (http://photos.caixin.com/2020-03-26/101534542.html) circulated on Chinese social media of thousands of urns being ferried in.

Outside one funeral home, trucks shipped in (http://photos.caixin.com/2020-03-26/101534542_6.html#picture) about 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday, according to Chinese media outlet Caixin. Another picture published by Caixin showed 3,500 urns stacked on the ground inside. It’s unclear how many of the urns had been filled.

People who answered the phone at six of the eight funeral homes in Wuhan said they either did not have data on how many urns were waiting to be collected, or were not authorized to disclose the numbers. Calls were not answered at the other two.

Some families said they had been forced to wait for several hours to pick up the ashes. The photos circulated as mass deaths from the virus spiked in cities across the west, including Milan, Madrid and New York, where hospitals were erecting tents to handle the overflow as global infections soar past 500,000, with 24,000 dead.

According to Chinese government figures, 2,535 people in Wuhan have died of the virus. The announcement that a lockdown in place since January would be lifted came after China said its tally of new cases had hit zero and stepped up diplomatic outreach to other countries hard hit by the virus, sending some of them medical supplies.

But some in China have been skeptical of the accuracy of the official tally, particularly given Wuhan’s overwhelmed medical system, authorities’ attempts to cover up the outbreak in its initial stages, and multiple revisions (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/what-you-need-to-know-about-shock-45-jump-in-hubei-virus-cases) to the way official cases are counted. Residents on social media have demanded disciplinary action against top Wuhan officials.

Many people who died had Covid-19 symptoms, but weren’t tested and excluded from the official case tally, Caixin said. There were also patients who died of other diseases due to a lack of proper treatment (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-20/busy-fighting-coronavirus-china-has-no-room-for-other-patients) when hospitals were overwhelmed dealing with those who had the coronavirus.
There were 56,007 cremations in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019, according to data (http://mzj.wuhan.gov.cn/tjxx/387166.jhtml) from the city’s civil affairs agency. The number of cremations was 1,583 higher than those in the fourth quarter of 2018 and 2,231 higher than the fourth quarter of 2017.Mourning Restrictions

The families of the deceased may not be able to say a proper goodbye to their loved ones just yet. Wuhan’s government issued a statement (https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2020-03-26/doc-iimxxsth1865430.shtml) on Thursday prohibiting individuals in the city from tomb-sweeping activities until April 30, meaning they would not be able to observe the traditional April 4 Ching Ming Festival, or tomb sweeping holiday. Other provinces including Guangxi and Zhejiang have also announced similar restrictions.

Two locals in Wuhan who have lost family members to the virus said online that they were informed they had to be accompanied by their employers or officials from neighborhood committees when picking up the urns, likely as a measure against public gatherings.

“I was told by district government to wait until further notice on when I can pick up my father’s ashes,” one Wuhan resident using the name “Xue Zai Shou Zhong,” meaning “snow in hand,” posted (https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/135061230.html?weibo_id=4486827878157424) on Weibo. “There is a staggered arrangement for urn collecting.”

Another Weibo user using the handle Adagier said (https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/135060786.html?weibo_id=4486884614748727) she lost her husband to the coronavirus and had since been contacted by police warning her not to be too emotional -- and to stop posting online.

“I have only one demand,” she wrote. “I want to give my husband a proper burial as soon as possible.”
— With assistance by Sharon Chen, Dandan Li, and Claire Che
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Gorilla on March 28, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
It’s v hard for people to comprehend that both Trump and Hillary can be shitty human beings

I disagree, as far as the majority of people.

It seems to be harder the farther left/right you go in ideology, and the more you listen to whichever MSM best represents the bubble you live in/happened to be raised in. But for the most part I think that constitutes the fringe or the minority.

I think all or most just here in this forum, anecdotally, would agree that both Trump and Hillary are trash people, and are disheartened by the fact that they were the best their respective parties could produce for a nomination. I think the majority of people who are actually fans of the job Trump is doing would also admit that he's a piece of excrement as a person...it's a reasonable and obvious observation with decades of evidence.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
I disagree, as far as the majority of people.

It seems to be harder the farther left/right you go in ideology, and the more you listen to whichever MSM best represents the bubble you live in/happened to be raised in. But for the most part I think that constitutes the fringe or the minority.

I think all or most just here in this forum, anecdotally, would agree that both Trump and Hillary are trash people, and are disheartened by the fact that they were the best their respective parties could produce for a nomination. I think the majority of people who are actually fans of the job Trump is doing would also admit that he's a piece of excrement as a person...it's a reasonable and obvious observation with decades of evidence.

You should post more
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2020, 07:23:23 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/coronavirus-deaths-mount-trump-s-handling-intelligence-warnings-looks-worse-ncna1169996
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 28, 2020, 08:45:49 PM
I disagree, as far as the majority of people.

It seems to be harder the farther left/right you go in ideology, and the more you listen to whichever MSM best represents the bubble you live in/happened to be raised in. But for the most part I think that constitutes the fringe or the minority.

I think all or most just here in this forum, anecdotally, would agree that both Trump and Hillary are trash people, and are disheartened by the fact that they were the best their respective parties could produce for a nomination. I think the majority of people who are actually fans of the job Trump is doing would also admit that he's a piece of excrement as a person...it's a reasonable and obvious observation with decades of evidence.
word
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2020, 10:18:50 PM
James Dolan has Coronavirus.

Thoughts and prayers
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 07:46:41 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/coronavirus-deaths-mount-trump-s-handling-intelligence-warnings-looks-worse-ncna1169996


The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured
Ok Trump
You can tell I'm different to Trump by the way I'm quoting a link with actual scientists and excrement.
But you agree Trump is correct
As I long since gave up listening to anything that buffoon says because it's almost entirely made up in his head, I have no idea. It is true that a stopped clock is occasionally correct, but not often.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 09:33:12 AM
I wonder how hard it will be to actually enforce all the closures.  Honest question.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 09:33:54 AM
https://twitter.com/keeltyc/status/1243650632692662272?s=21
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 10:30:01 AM
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1244260256898781184?s=21

Lol, his response
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 29, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
Some good advice if one of us or someone youknow  get sick.:

https://mobile.twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1243302098915201024 (https://mobile.twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1243302098915201024)
I don't mean in the idiotic comments, go to that personz Twitter
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 01:30:52 PM
The first day people are allowed to go out/have parties is going to be an unprecedented rager
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 01:36:57 PM
The first day people are allowed to go out/have parties is going to be an unprecedented rager
St. Easter Gras De Mayo Memorial BBQ
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 02:05:26 PM
St. Easter Gras De Mayo Memorial BBQ
Also on Tit Monday
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
The first day people are allowed to go out/have parties is going to be an unprecedented rager

Coronavirus defeated. Health system now collapsing under a fresh wave of beer injuries and gonorrhea.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 02:53:41 PM
Coronavirus defeated. Health system now collapsing under a fresh wave of beer injuries and gonorrhea.
Buffalo is ground zero.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
Buffalo is ground zero.
I hope it kills them all, I'm so freaking sick of this stupid "look how fun these chaps are with their tables and their drunkenness" narrative. They're annoying cunts and their city is a pooper.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: guinness77 on March 29, 2020, 03:08:04 PM
I hope it kills them all, I'm so freaking sick of this stupid "look how fun these chaps are with their tables and their drunkenness" narrative. They're annoying cunts and their city is a pooper.
Haha
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 03:10:28 PM
We’re at the exponential growth stage. It took a month to go from 1 death to 1,000 deaths. We just went from 1,000 deaths to 2,000 deaths over 48 hours.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
We’re at the exponential growth stage. It took a month to go from 1 death to 1,000 deaths. We just went from 1,000 deaths to 2,000 deaths over 48 hours.
I think it's certainly spreading, but I think a lot of the increase is just from testing more people.  Can't be positive if you can't get tested.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
https://twitter.com/scotthech/status/1244041855614029826?s=21

Rikers update
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
I think it's certainly spreading, but I think a lot of the increase is just from testing more people.  Can't be positive if you can't get tested.

The increase in deaths is due to more people getting tested?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 04:15:52 PM
The increase in deaths is due to more people getting tested?
No, cases. Sorry.  I can't read or write.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
The increase in deaths is due to more people getting tested?

The more people are tested for dead, the more people we will know are dead. It's science
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
The more people are tested for dead, the more people we will know are dead. It's science
We don't have a test for dead yet.  It's still being developed.  Gonna be yuge though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
In a "good" scenario 20 to 30% of businesses will go under

And its crazy how many freaking people have move on with their lives
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 04:42:05 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/news/nearly-a-dozen-liberty-university-students-reportedly-have-coronavirus-symptoms/

poopchute.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus bill
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus bill

Brr brr
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus bill

I think it's very safe bet that the rich are. And it'll be through a combination of everything.

The question will be who and how rich is defined

Unless of course trumps elected and we just decide to spend another couple of trillion dollars on pseudorepublican socialism
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 29, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus bill
https://brrr.money/
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2020, 06:47:04 PM
Guys, you can relax, it looks like it's actually going to be OK for you. The Feds have sent you lots of generators but the nurses may be hoarding them, is all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 07:17:32 PM
Guys, you can relax, it looks like it's actually going to be OK for you. The Feds have sent you lots of generators but the nurses may be hoarding them, is all.
"The hospitals had the masturbators they just didn't know where they were.  It's OK now.  Plenty of carburetors to go around."
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 07:43:17 PM
I think it's very safe bet that the rich are. And it'll be through a combination of everything.

The question will be who and how rich is defined

Unless of course trumps elected and we just decide to spend another couple of trillion dollars on pseudorepublican socialism
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.

We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
Looks like Trump gave up on Easter resurrection. Punted to 4/30.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
Looks like Trump gave up on Easter resurrection. Punted to 4/30.
Loyal heard "punt", he'll be here to comment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
At this point 4th of July might be a whole new celebration of freedom
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 29, 2020, 08:14:01 PM
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.

We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.
Everyone is a socialist during a war/pandemic/crisis.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 08:15:37 PM
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.

We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.

I would love to tax the wealthy but they make the rules so I don’t see it happening anytime soon
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2020, 08:19:28 PM
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.

We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.

The world keeps turning... until it doesn't. There will still be inflationary effects and negative effects from using the money printer. The debt will come back eventually. Although I would tend to agree that it seems that national debt seems to have a higher threshold than previously thought, provided that other major nations also go into a load of debt.

If some sort of payment method becomes more popular/used, I don't see how the USD, along with the Euro, Yen, etc., are not in trouble, though. But that's seemingly down the road, so today's politicians can just kick the can I suppose.

Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
I would love to tax the wealthy but they make the rules so I don’t see it happening anytime soon


With the amount of spending we will tax the wealthy. It doesn't matter who makes the rules

Trumps feeling the Bern and soon we all will be. The rich has all the money, and the United States has a massive credit card bill. You're not going to pay off several trillion dollars taxing the middle class, the money just doesn't exist
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 29, 2020, 08:40:06 PM


With the amount of spending we will tax the wealthy. It doesn't matter who makes the rules

Trumps feeling the Bern and soon we all will be. The rich has all the money, and the United States has a massive credit card bill. You're not going to pay off several trillion dollars taxing the middle class, the money just doesn't exist

We literally just gave a tax break to the wealthy as a component of the stimulus deal. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
We literally just gave a tax break to the wealthy as a component of the stimulus deal. 

Don’t tell the people that vote for the democrats that wrote this bill
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 08:58:08 PM
We literally just gave a tax break to the wealthy as a component of the stimulus deal. 

The tax break was to the rich and the poor

Except the actual middle class. We got fucked in the poopchute

No lube as always
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: reuben on March 29, 2020, 09:34:48 PM
The tax break was to the rich and the poor

Yes, all the working class, average Joe's who sustained over $500,000 in real estate depreciation last year will finally get the leg up they deserve.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 10:12:30 PM
Yes, all the working class, average Joe's who sustained over $500,000 in real estate depreciation last year will finally get the leg up they deserve.

I don't know what you're sarcasm is referring to. But the rich got hooked up and the poor got hooked up

The middle class got dick. That's my story and I'm sticking with it

But the rent utilities tax mortgage and all other kinds of deferments are aimed at the poor. Not to mention the poor also get free money, and a huge boost to their unemployment checks.

So yes the poor absolutely got hooked up by this deal. The middle class is the ones who get fucked and benefit from next to nothing. Ironically the majority of medical people who are going to end up with PTSD from this excrement will probably benefit the least from all this.

And I'd bet money there doesn't end up being some kind of bill akin to the 9/11 rescue workers one where workers who got seriously sick/PTSD from working in dangerously unsafe conditions get taken care of. I realize it's not feasible, but nobody gives a freak about them either
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 10:35:46 PM
The world keeps turning... until it doesn't. There will still be inflationary effects and negative effects from using the money printer. The debt will come back eventually. Although I would tend to agree that it seems that national debt seems to have a higher threshold than previously thought, provided that other major nations also go into a load of debt.

If some sort of payment method becomes more popular/used, I don't see how the USD, along with the Euro, Yen, etc., are not in trouble, though. But that's seemingly down the road, so today's politicians can just kick the can I suppose.
For starters USD and the Euro are not at all comparable when it comes to deficit spending.

There is no limit to what the government can spend, only what it can buy. And we'd all be better off trying to get them to buy things that benefit us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
Light reading before bed

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/josephbernstein/elmhurst-hospital-coronavirus-ventilator-ppe-crisis?__twitter_impression=true

My MIL retired (RN) from this hospital the year my son was born. I'm so glad she's not there now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2020, 11:00:37 PM
For starters USD and the Euro are not at all comparable when it comes to deficit spending.

There is no limit to what the government can spend, only what it can buy. And we'd all be better off trying to get them to buy things that benefit us.


They're not directly comparable. But they are definitely comparable.

"There is no limit to what the government can spend" is a false truism. The German government could spend as many Deutsche marks as it wanted, but with too much inflation they couldn't print enough money to keep up with the depreciation of value.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 03:54:43 AM
The white house has said the goal is to keep the death
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 03:58:17 AM
According to the Whitehouse the goal is to keep the US death toll under 100,000.

And it sounds by some reports that that is kind of optimistic, maybe?

Here's the quote

Trump said his administration was extending the guidelines in order to avoid a major death toll. The president pointed to modeling that forecast 2.2 million deaths in the U.S. if drastic measures weren’t taken to mitigate the outbreak. Trump said the administration is working to keep the projected death toll below 100,000.   

“So if we can hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000, it’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job,” Trump said.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 07:00:27 AM
The white house has said the goal is to keep the death
Bon Jovi- Keep the Death Tour 2020
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 07:05:43 AM
"Our death numbers are tremendous.  If we can keep them under, or maybe even over 1 million, some would say it would be the best job any president has ever done.  Yuge.  You know, the death is something I know a lot about.  No one knows more about the death than me.  Some would say I'm the greatest death expert ever.... I'll take a few questions.  Not the fat black lady though. Only the plant.....I mean big-tittied blond from the wonderful OANN, the greatest Trump News Network ever."
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 07:21:37 AM
This is an actual advertisement from the world health organization]

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Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 07:38:44 AM
This is an actual advertisement from the world health organization

(https://images.app.goo.gl/num86SnDsQ6Ytqk16)

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fix your pix
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 07:45:01 AM
fix your pix


Shows up for me?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: delavan on March 30, 2020, 08:05:34 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/johnson-johnson-to-begin-clinical-trials-on-coronavirus-vaccine-candidate.html

Johnson & Johnson said Monday human testing of its experimental vaccine for the coronavirus will begin by September and it could be available for emergency use authorization in early 2021.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/johnson-johnson-to-begin-clinical-trials-on-coronavirus-vaccine-candidate.html

Johnson & Johnson said Monday human testing of its experimental vaccine for the coronavirus will begin by September and it could be available for emergency use authorization in early 2021.


How about next week instead....thanks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Miamipuck on March 30, 2020, 08:46:10 AM
How about next week instead....thanks.

Woody is busy being an Ambassador he doesn't have time for silly pandemics.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/7kza79/quebec-couple-drove-to-old-crow-yukon-to-escape-coronavirus-angering-locals
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 04:46:42 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl season
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl season

We're not going to have a season, man. 

No sports this year. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl season

Seems a little early to be predicting that camps will be delayed just long enough to require the season to start two weeks late.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 05:35:20 PM
Seems a little early to be predicting that camps will be delayed just long enough to require the season to start two weeks late.

Well that hasn't been predicted (at least not to my knowledge)


Could still be a late start season, no bye weeks, shortened camp, empty stadiums, combination of all of the above etc.

Regardless it is peculiar that they didn't delay the draft even thoguh its virtually guaranteed the season is not starting on time

We're not going to have a season, man. 

No sports this year. 

Certainly possible but money talks. And with it still being March anything can happen. But with billions on the line I don't think the decision to cancel a season would be made until the absolute last second imaginly possible. Which probably means August if I were to guess
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Hemi on March 30, 2020, 05:59:13 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl season
way to speculate on excrement you know nothing about. Who speculated? Your mom?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Jumbo on March 30, 2020, 05:59:48 PM
No need to worry anymore, Coronavirus is solved! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVzP5TuZOIw
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 06:11:37 PM
We're not going to have a season, man. 

No sports this year.
I agree.  If we are lucky we will start with some fanless games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: klaximilian on March 30, 2020, 06:16:52 PM
Any talk of a shortened season or not having football season is incredibly premature.

If the latest projections are accurate at all, the country will be back up and running buy June/July.
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:29:59 PM
If the latest projections are accurate at all, the country will be back up and running buy June/July.

Wishful thinking
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:31:31 PM
NCAA approves extra year of eligibility for spring athletes

I expect we'll see this happen with fall sports when the time comes...
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
I can’t see sports being cancelled altogether. I think we’re at the peak of this mess, hoping it starts to settle down. Preseason will prob be delayed and cut down to 2 games with whatever regular season it takes to make SuperBowl Sunday happen during Presidents Day Weekend to make that following Monday an unofficial holiday.

Source: my genius
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2020, 06:38:05 PM
What makes you think we've peaked? Is it the steadily increasing numbers of infected and death? Is it people still ignoring orders to stay home?

Why have we peaked?
Title: Re: Coronavirus SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:39:26 PM
I can’t see sports being cancelled altogether. I think we’re at the peak of this mess, hoping it starts to settle down. Preseason will prob be delayed and cut down to 2 games with whatever regular season it takes to make SuperBowl Sunday happen during Presidents Day Weekend to make that following Monday an unofficial holiday.

Source: my genius

We're unfortunately not even close to the peak yet.  It hasn't truly hit Houston or Dallas yet.  Chicago is going to look a lot like NYC in a short time.

If Johnson and Johnson is developing the vaccine for it and it's not going to be out un