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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #615 on: September 27, 2021, 02:37:08 PM »
What other things besides drops?

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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #616 on: September 27, 2021, 03:30:17 PM »
That's not really true. We gave Sanchez an elite line and a punishing run game for the first two years of his career. By the time we lost a couple of players and replaced them with slightly less good pieces (or in the case of Wayne Hunter, completely wastes of space) it was reasonably expected that Sanchez might have got a bit better at reading the field and the game, and being responsible with the ball.

Which of the great QBs did what they did with a poor OL? At any point in their career?

If you let your line fall apart, or don't have one in the first place, all the QB talent in the world is never going to be enough.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #617 on: September 27, 2021, 05:54:54 PM »
Which of the great QBs did what they did with a poor OL? At any point in their career?

If you let your line fall apart, or don't have one in the first place, all the QB talent in the world is never going to be enough.

Sure, but the point was that we never gave Sam a serviceable OL and he never developed as a result, and that so far we're on a similar track with Zach. You said we did the same with Sanchez, and we didn't.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #618 on: September 27, 2021, 06:03:18 PM »
Most teams have crappy offensive lines. The best quarterbacks can overcome it go varying degrees. Obviously it is ideal for a young QB to have an effective line though.

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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #619 on: September 27, 2021, 08:24:54 PM »
Sure, but the point was that we never gave Sam a serviceable OL and he never developed as a result, and that so far we're on a similar track with Zach. You said we did the same with Sanchez, and we didn't.

We gave Sanchez a pretty good line his first couple of years. They made the title game. When the line took a downturn, so did his career.

Most teams have crappy offensive lines. The best quarterbacks can overcome it go varying degrees. Obviously it is ideal for a young QB to have an effective line though.

Which of the best QBs in their good years overcame crappy offensive lines?
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #620 on: September 27, 2021, 08:48:28 PM »
Which of the great QBs did what they did with a poor OL? At any point in their career?

If you let your line fall apart, or don't have one in the first place, all the QB talent in the world is never going to be enough.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #621 on: September 27, 2021, 09:05:54 PM »
Russ

I guess that's fair. Has his OL been that bad? I don't follow west coast teams enough to say, but I'll take your word for it.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #622 on: September 27, 2021, 09:08:50 PM »
Horrible, but he's super mobile. I don't if we can generalize out of his example.

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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #623 on: September 27, 2021, 09:16:48 PM »
Horrible, but he's super mobile. I don't if we can generalize out of his example.

In fairness, I asked for an example, and someone had one.

I still maintain a solid OL is critical to QB success, but that answer was valid.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #624 on: September 27, 2021, 09:17:10 PM »
We gave Sanchez a pretty good line his first couple of years. They made the title game. When the line took a downturn, so did his career.

Which of the best QBs in their good years overcame crappy offensive lines?

The 2006 Colts line wasn't anything special, the guy behind it was. Jeff Saturday was obviously elite and Glenn was Hall Of Very Good material, but I don't think the rest were anything to write home about. Similar to MexJet's disclaimer about Russ though, I'm not sure that any Peyton Manning led offense can be used to prove a point given the exceptionalism of the guy running it.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #625 on: September 27, 2021, 09:43:12 PM »
Russ

Russ also had a pretty a impressive running back to keep defenses honest

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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #626 on: September 27, 2021, 09:49:58 PM »
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Jets second in the league in total drops with 11. 1st in drops per target. 11.2% of Zach Wilsons targets have been dropped.

NFL Median rate is 4.8%
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #627 on: September 27, 2021, 09:53:17 PM »
It's really like no part of our offense wants to look good or even competent.
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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #628 on: September 27, 2021, 10:01:02 PM »
Chiefs line didn't look so hot for Mahomes last year. Wilson.

Obviously I want the Jets to build the wall but the majority of teams have weak offensive lines.

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Re: Zach to the Future
« Reply #629 on: September 27, 2021, 10:28:01 PM »
Wilson obviously plays a significant role in the drops. I can recall more than a few the ball was put in the least catchable spot imaginable.


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