Star Wars

[Johnny English]

https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/1210733136968962048?s=19

[Johnny English]

Also, let's talk about the incredibly lazy Abrams riffs on everyone's favorite bits from the original trilogy JUST IN CASE YOU'D FORGOTTEN THAT IT'S STAR WARS. LOOK, HERE'S REY DOING THE JEDI MIND TRICK ON STORMTROOPERS! NOW LOOK IT'S POE AND FINN SHOOTING THEIR WAY OUT OF A STAR DESTROYER LIKE HAN DID!

And I haven't even touched on the monstrously clumsy "LOOK IF THE PEOPLE JUST RISE UP AND WORK TOGETHER WE CAN ALL OVERCOME" bullshit despite his own freaking movie clearly making the statement that that isn't actually the case at all.

Big sack of lazy badly written bullshit after Johnson actually set it up to do something interesting.

[MBGreen]

Also, let's talk about the incredibly lazy Abrams riffs on everyone's favorite bits from the original trilogy JUST IN CASE YOU'D FORGOTTEN THAT IT'S STAR WARS. LOOK, HERE'S REY DOING THE JEDI MIND TRICK ON STORMTROOPERS! NOW LOOK IT'S POE AND FINN SHOOTING THEIR WAY OUT OF A STAR DESTROYER LIKE HAN DID!

And I haven't even touched on the monstrously clumsy "LOOK IF THE PEOPLE JUST RISE UP AND WORK TOGETHER WE CAN ALL OVERCOME" bullshit despite his own freaking movie clearly making the statement that that isn't actually the case at all.

Big sack of lazy badly written bullshit after Johnson actually set it up to do something interesting.

#FireGase

[Heismanberg]

Also, let's talk about the incredibly lazy Abrams riffs on everyone's favorite bits from the original trilogy JUST IN CASE YOU'D FORGOTTEN THAT IT'S STAR WARS. LOOK, HERE'S REY DOING THE JEDI MIND TRICK ON STORMTROOPERS! NOW LOOK IT'S POE AND FINN SHOOTING THEIR WAY OUT OF A STAR DESTROYER LIKE HAN DID!

And I haven't even touched on the monstrously clumsy "LOOK IF THE PEOPLE JUST RISE UP AND WORK TOGETHER WE CAN ALL OVERCOME" bullshit despite his own freaking movie clearly making the statement that that isn't actually the case at all.

Big sack of lazy badly written bullshit after Johnson actually set it up to do something interesting.

You should go see Parasite

[Johnny English]

You should go see Parasite

I'll watch it when it's available for home viewing.

[insanity]

Wasn’t that part of the symbolism of Rey’s story? That her character was so strong that her family lineage wouldn’t determine her fate? I thought the Skywalker part was perfect.

If that's the case then you shouldnt have had her parents doing something heroic.  I'd buy that story line if they were terrible people or were in the first order, but it seemed like her parents were good, righteous people who sacrificed their lives for their daughter's survival.  That sounds like a name to be respected and to carry on.

[SixFeetDeep]

If that's the case then you shouldnt have had her parents doing something heroic.  I'd buy that story line if they were terrible people or were in the first order, but it seemed like her parents were good, righteous people who sacrificed their lives for their daughter's survival.  That sounds like a name to be respected and to carry on.

She’s the contrast to Ben Solo. He had good, honorable parents too and that didn’t matter. He was weak in mind and character and susceptible to the dark side. 

Once it was revealed that Ren was a Palpatine, you can’t tell me that there wasn’t a small part of your brain that went “Oh excrement, maybe she really is the bad guy in this story.” Just like in the original trilogy when it’s first revealed Vader is Luke’s father, I had similar thoughts.

[SixFeetDeep]

If that's the case then you shouldnt have had her parents doing something heroic.  I'd buy that story line if they were terrible people or were in the first order, but it seemed like her parents were good, righteous people who sacrificed their lives for their daughter's survival.  That sounds like a name to be respected and to carry on.

This actually also reminds me of Anakins mother. Pretty sure she made some sacrifices to protect him too (don’t really remember, hate that trilogy) and what did she get to show for it? Remaining enslaved to a fat pig alien and allowing the rise of one of the most evil beings in the galaxy. Sometimes life isn’t fair. Oh, and Anakin changed his name too. Seems to be a common theme.

[CatoTheElder]

If that's the case then you shouldnt have had her parents doing something heroic.  I'd buy that story line if they were terrible people or were in the first order, but it seemed like her parents were good, righteous people who sacrificed their lives for their daughter's survival.  That sounds like a name to be respected and to carry on.

...well they were Palpatines.

[AlioTheFool]

The only negative I agree with from the past couple of pages is the one regarding "surprise" Emperor Palpatine. There should have been some kind of build-up. Not just "Haha, I was here all along! You just didn't see me out here in the Outer Rim building up a mega fleet. Oh, bee-tee-dubs, I made Snoke in a test tube!"

[mj2sexay]

The only negative I agree with from the past couple of pages is the one regarding "surprise" Emperor Palpatine. There should have been some kind of build-up. Not just "Haha, I was here all along! You just didn't see me out here in the Outer Rim building up a mega fleet. Oh, bee-tee-dubs, I made Snoke in a test tube!"

It's a valid criticism, its also something I'm completely willing to blame on TLJ. Maybe if time had been spent on the eventual emergence of Palpatine instead of what ultimately was an utterly meaningless side story between Rose and Finn, the reveal in ROS would've been more meaningful.

As I said, I walked out of the theater happy and that's all I can ask for, but I am annoyed with how the Palpatine re-emergence essentially renders Anakin's redemption to be completely useless.

Hey guys! You thought you won the ultimate battle to end the war, but really the leader you thought was murdered is just going to engineer the next threat from the shadows until he reveals himself. Oh and by the way Anakin, you sacrificed yourself so Luke could be a completely broken shell of a hermit after his nephew and your grandson falls to the dark side.

[AlioTheFool]

It's a valid criticism, its also something I'm completely willing to blame on TLJ. Maybe if time had been spent on the eventual emergence of Palpatine instead of what ultimately was an utterly meaningless side story between Rose and Finn, the reveal in ROS would've been more meaningful.

As I said, I walked out of the theater happy and that's all I can ask for, but I am annoyed with how the Palpatine re-emergence essentially renders Anakin's redemption to be completely useless.

Hey guys! You thought you won the ultimate battle to end the war, but really the leader you thought was murdered is just going to engineer the next threat from the shadows until he reveals himself. Oh and by the way Anakin, you sacrificed yourself so Luke could be a completely broken shell of a hermit after his nephew and your grandson falls to the dark side.

Agreed on all counts

[CatoTheElder]

I really hated all the callbacks and fan service. More than the surprise Palpatine. More than the Rey parentage reveal. More than everything else wrong with this.

Just lazy, cheap cheers that did nothing for the story. This was the Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back of Star Wars movies.

[AlioTheFool]

I loved the callbacks and fan service.

[reuben]

Wow, that was a massive piece of excrement.

"It's called lightspeed skipping!  We can canonize a fistful of spinoff locales in mere seconds!"  I was hoping they'd go full Naked Gun and show the Falcon coming out of birth canal. 

I've never been so bored by non-stop action and setting changes.  It's like they decided the only redeeming element of TLJ was the abrupt right turn to the casino planet.  I was constantly asking myself, "wait, where are they going now?" but ten seconds later it never mattered. 

I didn't give a excrement about any of the action or drama because no one can die. Snoke, Palpatine, Kylo Ren, Rey, Carrie Fisher, Chewie, freaking Threepio (everyone's favorite Star Wars character and the emotional center of the franchise, apparently).  I guess(?) Palpatine is dead this time?  I see no reason why he's any deader than he should have been before.  You start freaking around with resurrection and you ruin the stakes.

You ruin the stakes when you overpower the baddies, too.  Infinite Death Stars?  Sure, why not.  Gonna need a pretty large deus ex machina to cover th-OH! here's Lando with every ship in the galaxy that makes sense.

I had almost completely checked out by the final showdown but did the Knights of Ren do anything?  I did enjoy that shrug from Adam Driver: "Yep, this is the script, I guess."

Just a real bad movie.  Like "Rian dropped out of school so now we have until tomorrow to finish his part of the project" bad.