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How did you / will you vote?

Dem straight ticket
11 (64.7%)
Rep straight ticket
1 (5.9%)
Biden plus a mix
2 (11.8%)
Trump plus a mix
0 (0%)
Third party
3 (17.6%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: November 04, 2020, 09:53:47 AM

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #975 on: October 23, 2020, 12:24:08 PM »
So be honest, which one of you also took Trump referring to border coyotes literally like the rest of your blue check twitter overlords.

How embarrassing.

Anyway, love the speculation on how the guy who wants to eradicate the oil industry is going to win Texas. Hilarious!
I was making a gun joke about Texas.  But the polls have it awful close there.  I wouldn't bet my life on Trump winning Texas.  Probably, but not for sure.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #976 on: October 23, 2020, 12:28:12 PM »
The polls, the polls, the polls.

Was just absolutely nothing learned from 2016?

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #977 on: October 23, 2020, 12:28:40 PM »
The polls, the polls, the polls.

Was just absolutely nothing learned from 2016?
We'll see. That's why despite being up almost double digits in polls, no one is bragging about having it locked up.  Supposedly a lot of the pollsters have changed the way they do them because of 2016.  The Trump win wasn't outside of the margin of error, but the polls were certainly off by more than usual.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #978 on: October 23, 2020, 12:30:28 PM »
The polls, the polls, the polls.

Was just absolutely nothing learned from 2016?

By the masses, or the pollsters?
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #979 on: October 23, 2020, 12:35:14 PM »
We'll see. That's why despite being up almost double digits in polls, no one is bragging about having it locked up.  Supposedly a lot of the pollsters have changed the way they do them because of 2016.  The Trump win wasn't outside of the margin of error, but the polls were certainly off by more than usual.

Even by polling though, many of the pollsters that actually weren't far off on 2016 (despite whatever rating Nate Silver wants to give them), are projecting at worst Trump down 5 nationally and up in key swing states.

I don't trust them either.

By the masses, or the pollsters?

Yes.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #980 on: October 23, 2020, 12:40:52 PM »
The polls, the polls, the polls.

Was just absolutely nothing learned from 2016?

Yes - which is why reputable pollsters adjusted their population weighting for education.


Speaking of which, quotes from November 6, 2016 from noted verified Twitter user Nate Silver:

"Clinton has a 64 percent chance of winning the Electoral College in our polls-only model and 65 percent in polls-plus, putting her somewhere in the range of being a 2-1 favorite. At the same time, it shouldn’t be hard to see how Clinton could lose. She’s up by about 3 percentage points nationally, and 3-point polling errors happen fairly often, including in the last two federal elections
...There’s also reason to think a polling error is more likely than usual this year, because of the high number of undecided voters. In national polls, Clinton averages about 45 percent of the vote and Trump 42 percent.
... public polls — specifically including the highest-quality public polls — show a tight race in which turnout and late-deciding voters will determine the difference between a clear Clinton win, a narrow Clinton win and Trump finding his way to 270 electoral votes."

So, second lesson, Nate Silver/538 is still pretty good at reading polling data.

I understand why people don't trust polls, but they're still useful tools, especially when taken in aggregate.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #981 on: October 23, 2020, 01:30:08 PM »

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #982 on: October 24, 2020, 03:32:51 PM »
The Trump campaign has been relentlessly hammering away at PA for a while now. I'm not sure Biden can win without it (barring a blue Texas or something absurd).

Edit: Biden can afford to lose PA if he wins FL but I'm not optimistic about that.
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #983 on: October 24, 2020, 03:41:34 PM »
The Trump campaign has been relentlessly hammering away at PA for a while now. I'm not sure Biden can win without it (barring a blue Texas or something absurd).
If you believe the polls, Biden can fairly easily win without PA.  Trump is fucked if he doesn't win PA AND FL.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #984 on: October 24, 2020, 03:42:20 PM »
Mentally I'm here:


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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #985 on: October 24, 2020, 03:44:15 PM »
Mentally I'm here:


That has Trump winning every single one of the toss up states.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #986 on: October 24, 2020, 03:44:48 PM »
If you believe the polls, Biden can fairly easily win without PA.  Trump is fucked if he doesn't win PA AND FL.
You're right about the flipside, PA could be more important to Trump than it is for Biden (if Biden flips another similar state back instead).

I'm just dreading an election post mortem where we find out the Biden campaign diverted resources away from PA to flipping TX or a similar quixotic goal.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #987 on: October 24, 2020, 03:45:48 PM »
That has Trump winning every single one of the toss up states.
I have WI/MI flipping back to blue.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #988 on: October 24, 2020, 03:48:07 PM »
You're right about the flipside, PA could be more important to Trump than it is for Biden (if Biden flips another similar state back instead).

I'm just dreading an election post mortem where we find out the Biden campaign diverted resources away from PA to flipping TX or a similar quixotic goal.
I think things are fairly well set now barring someone molesting a chicken on tape or something.  If Biden loses it wont be because of what he did in the last week.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #989 on: October 24, 2020, 03:49:55 PM »
I have WI/MI flipping back to blue.
I was thinking about NC, GA, OH, AZ, IA, FL.  Hell, the polls are even in TX. I'll believe that when I see it.

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