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« Reply #285 on: September 22, 2020, 11:12:41 AM »
What we have to consider is this:

Joe Douglas did not draft Sam Darnold.  There was never a real plan in place to build around him, unfortunately.  Maccagnan moved up in the draft for a QB and did not have a plan after that.

Darnold either steps up this year and proves he belongs and plays us out of that #1 pick, or we are the worst team in the NFL with him at QB and it'd be time to move on because you can't pass on Trevor Lawrence.

With all that said, this team is in a much better place now than it was in 2018 when we took Sam.  Douglas appears to have a plan and he has cash and draft capital to use to help our QB (whoever that may be). 

It's not like we'd take Lawrence and that's the only pick we have.  We still have 3 other first rounds in 2021 and 2022 and loads of cap space.
We can take Trevor Lawrence AND a WR late in the 1st round AND a gord in the 2nd or 3rd round AND sign a receiver.

If Sam Darnold is as good as we think he will be, he should be able to pull out a couple wins for us and get us out of the #1 pick. It's possible the rest of the team is so hopeless that can't happen, but most teams who end up with the #1 pick have a QB injury or QB ineptitude.

I think a big reason why Douglas took the job was because Sam Darnold was in place. I don't think he wants to replace Sam Darnold, even if he didn't draft him. However, we need to start making decisions on Darnold's contract starting next offseason, and if we get the #1 pick, that means Darnold is likely replaceable.

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« Reply #286 on: September 22, 2020, 11:13:14 AM »
Interesting you say that Darnold’s stats are padded when it says right there Peyton was throwing 100x more attempts per year than Sam

Manning played full seasons, something Sam has also never done. 
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« Reply #287 on: September 22, 2020, 11:13:16 AM »
He didn't regress, but he also didn't progress much.   

I agree. I hate making “excuse” after excuse, but the mono thing definitely derailed him. He wasn’t at full strength in the Buff game or right when he came back. Tough to start a season like that.
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« Reply #288 on: September 22, 2020, 11:13:48 AM »
Interesting you say that Darnold’s stats are padded when it says right there Peyton was throwing 100x more attempts per year than Sam
I didn't even look at the total stats, I looked at the rate stats. TD pct, Int pct and yards per attempt. And if Darnold gets hurt again, that isn't really an argument on why Darnold should be the answer. Obviously, the mono is a freak thing.

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« Reply #289 on: September 22, 2020, 11:13:59 AM »
If Sam Darnold is as good as we think he will be, he should be able to pull out a couple wins for us and get us out of the #1 pick.

Exactly. 

If Sam is the quarterback of the future, he will do enough to ensure we aren't picking #1 overall. 
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« Reply #290 on: September 22, 2020, 11:14:03 AM »
Manning played full seasons, something Sam has also never done. 

Right so you can compare their rate stats, Comp %, INT %, TD %. I don’t see a big gap there.
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« Reply #291 on: September 22, 2020, 11:14:43 AM »
I didn't even look at the total stats, I looked at the rate stats. TD pct, Int pct and yards per attempt. And if Darnold gets hurt again, that isn't really an argument on why Darnold should be the answer. Obviously, the mono is a freak thing.

So we’re arguing over a few decimal points?
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« Reply #292 on: September 22, 2020, 11:18:39 AM »
Rookie Peyton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Bruce Arians as his QB coach. The next year they swapped Faulk for Edgerrin James

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« Reply #293 on: September 22, 2020, 11:19:29 AM »
So we’re arguing over a few decimal points?
Peyton Manning ranked in the top 5 in yards per attempt in both his 2nd and 3rd NFL seasons.

Darnold ranked 22nd last year, and through 2 games this year, he ranks 33rd.

So, yes, sometimes a few decimal points matter.

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« Reply #294 on: September 22, 2020, 11:19:36 AM »
Rookie Peyton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Bruce Arians as his QB coach. The next year they swapped Faulk for Edgerrin James

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« Reply #295 on: September 22, 2020, 11:19:53 AM »
Rookie Peyton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Bruce Arians as his QB coach. The next year they swapped Faulk for Edgerrin James

What are we doing here
Another reason I don't understand this comparison at all.

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« Reply #296 on: September 22, 2020, 11:21:36 AM »
Exactly. 

If Sam is the quarterback of the future, he will do enough to ensure we aren't picking #1 overall. 

I agree with this.

Think this is way more of a reflection on the state of the franchise than Sam Darnold.

Is Sam a franchise QB after dragging an awful team to 7 wins last year?
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« Reply #297 on: September 22, 2020, 11:24:44 AM »
Peyton Manning ranked in the top 5 in yards per attempt in both his 2nd and 3rd NFL seasons.

Darnold ranked 22nd last year, and through 2 games this year, he ranks 33rd.

So, yes, sometimes a few decimal points matter.

Not getting into a YPA comparison here when discussing an Adam Gase offense
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« Reply #298 on: September 22, 2020, 11:49:44 AM »
FTR, I'm not disputing the points being made

If the Jets are picking #1, Lawrence is the pick. That's an absolute no-brainer

My argument is why aren't we giving Sam Darnold an opportunity to play us out of that pick? If Allen Robinson is available, why is he not wearing green? Why aren't the TEs on this team being targeted in the passing game? Why isn't Sam allowed to audible on 4th and 1?
Teams that draft well do so no matter where they pick. Teams that draft poorly do so no matter where they pick I want my team to win games and draft well

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« Reply #299 on: September 22, 2020, 11:51:43 AM »
If Allen Robinson is available, why is he not wearing green?

We don't really know if Robinson is actually available
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