Coronavirus SZN Forever

[Johnny English]

So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people?  I can't find that stat anywhere.

Known in scientific circles as The Herman Cain Paradox.

[mj2sexay]

Just as one simple and recent example of my point:

https://twitter.com/DrEricBall/status/1438150971721273351

The correlation between vaccine refusal and voting Conservative is overwhelmingly in evidence on both a micro and macro scale. A massively smaller subset of left leaning voters also being reality defying fuckwits does not make this an "all people same" situation.

How do you propose Biden, or indeed Trump had he won a second term, get that massive bloc of Conservative antivax plague rats to do what they should have done months ago?

Lol JFC JE, equating people with vermin now? Talk about extreme rhetoric.

Again, as I said before. Any objective look at the population re: the unvaccinated would determine that this is not a red vs blue issue. Subsections of both voting blocs have been resistant to the vaccine.

I do know for all the talk about Trump supporters being "cultists" that he's repeatedly told people to get vaccinated, so perhaps the rigid adherence to what the man says from his most ardent supporters is a bit overstated?

For the record, I don't blame Biden or Trump on people's refusal to get vaccinated. It's not like they can hold people down personally and force people into taking it.

I've maintained this the whole time; I'm vaccinated. Ergo I honestly have no fear and don't care re: what other people want to do. I'm supposed to be protected from any serious symptoms via the two shots I took back in April.

Yes, along with everyone else who says lockdowns aren't an option anymore.

IMHO we should've maintained a european style lockdown the second this hit as opposed to the half assed measured we initially took. Too late now.

[dcm1602]

So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people?  I can't find that stat anywhere.

I think someone posted it on here a while ago and IIRC Republicans had a higher rate unvaccinated by a decent bit.

But as a percentage of total population I think covid deaths in the African American community was like 40% higher

[ons]

If rationing or a shortage is an issue that I can understand (by all accounts it's not)

Rationing or shortages are not an issue in the US but are an issue globally; there is a compelling public health perspective to not allowing boosters in order to get shots in more arms at a global scale so we have fewer countries creating massive hotspots with increased chances of more mutations. Personally though I want my booster, but unfortunately  the world is collectively not producing enough vaccines to keep up with global demand.

So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people?  I can't find that stat anywhere.

Over the summer, age and being an evangelical Christian were the two biggest predictors of whether one was vaccinated, and there are proportionally more young black and brown people in the country. Recently (within the past three weeks) there have been proportionally significantly more black people getting vaccinated, and the gap between racial groups is starting to close. This lines up with polling over the summer that indicated POC were more likely to be vaccine hesitant than anti-vaccine.

People who aren't getting vaccinated tend to share other qualities that overlap rural white and poor black communities - less education, less access to doctors, less money, fewer people with health insurance. But rural conservative areas tend to have more people who are more staunchly anti-vaccine.

As of September 13, 2021, 52.8% of people in counties that voted for Biden were fully vaccinated compared to 39.9% of Trump counties, a 12.9 percentage point difference (Figure 1). While the rate of vaccination coverage has slowed in both county groups, the gap has widened over time (Figure 2).

Overall, across these 42 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (52%) was roughly 1.2 times higher than the rate for Black people (43%) and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (48%) as of September 7, 2021.

Between August 16 and September 7, Black and Hispanic people experienced a larger increase in vaccination rates compared to White and Asian people, narrowing the disparities in vaccination rates (Figure 4).

Sources:
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/30/here-are-the-groups-that-still-wont-get-the-covid-vaccine-and-why/?sh=229c6df32ad4
https://www.cnet.com/health/why-people-dont-want-the-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-vs-resistance/

[ons]

I've maintained this the whole time; I'm vaccinated. Ergo I honestly have no fear and don't care re: what other people want to do. I'm supposed to be protected from any serious symptoms via the two shots I took back in April.

I appreciate that you're vaccinated, but if you are in a position to convince others to get vaccinated I would encourage you to think of overcrowding in hospitals putting you and your family in more danger if any of you were to suffer from a non-covid related critical injury or illness.

[Johnny English]

Lol JFC JE, equating people with vermin now? Talk about extreme rhetoric.

Yeah, a friend of mine pulled me up for referring to the willingly unvaccinated as plague rats the other day, and I agreed with her that it's unfair. The rats that spread the bubonic plague didn't know that they were spreading it, and they weren't being presented with a free and easy way of not doing it. So it is pretty unfair on the rats to compare them to the absolute scum who insist on refuting science and sticking their middle finger up to society.

Again, as I said before. Any objective look at the population re: the unvaccinated would determine that this is not a red vs blue issue. Subsections of both voting blocs have been resistant to the vaccine.

And as I already said, the two do not equate given the massive difference in size. How many left wing politicians and local councillors and radio hosts have you heard of dying from covid after months of exhortations to their constituents and listeners to not get vaccinated?

I do know for all the talk about Trump supporters being "cultists" that he's repeatedly told people to get vaccinated, so perhaps the rigid adherence to what the man says from his most ardent supporters is a bit overstated?

Yes, which is why I didn't drag him specifically, despite his initial poor response when in charge of treating it like a big nothingburger long after it was clear it was anything but, he has been fairly consistent in his messaging. Although look where that got him q.v. his rally the other day:

"Hey, we have great vaccines, you should take them....."

BOOOOOOOOOO

".....but you don't have to, it's your choice, it's all fine, muh freedoms......."

YAAAAAAAAAAY

".....but still you should take them, they're good......."

BOOOOOOOOOO

".....but if you don't want to it's fine"

YAAAAAAAAAAAY

[bojanglesman]

Rationing or shortages are not an issue in the US but are an issue globally; there is a compelling public health perspective to not allowing boosters in order to get shots in more arms at a global scale so we have fewer countries creating massive hotspots with increased chances of more mutations. Personally though I want my booster, but unfortunately  the world is collectively not producing enough vaccines to keep up with global demand.

Over the summer, age and being an evangelical Christian were the two biggest predictors of whether one was vaccinated, and there are proportionally more young black and brown people in the country. Recently (within the past three weeks) there have been proportionally significantly more black people getting vaccinated, and the gap between racial groups is starting to close. This lines up with polling over the summer that indicated POC were more likely to be vaccine hesitant than anti-vaccine.

People who aren't getting vaccinated tend to share other qualities that overlap rural white and poor black communities - less education, less access to doctors, less money, fewer people with health insurance. But rural conservative areas tend to have more people who are more staunchly anti-vaccine.




Sources:
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/30/here-are-the-groups-that-still-wont-get-the-covid-vaccine-and-why/?sh=229c6df32ad4
https://www.cnet.com/health/why-people-dont-want-the-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-vs-resistance/

Seriously, thanks for the info.

[bojanglesman]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/us/florida-chiropractor-mask-exemption/index.html

excrement-head chiropractor in Florida signs hundreds of medical exemptions from wearing masks for kids in school.  School district rejected them.  excrement-head was asked a day later by CNN about the exemption forms and whether he had examined every child for whom he signed one, Busch said, "This wasn't about me. This is about parents' freedom."

[dcm1602]

Chiropractors should have all medical authority revoked.

It's not medicine after all.

Make them a cash business and treat them like massage parlors

[bojanglesman]

Chiropractors should have all medical authority revoked.

It's not medicine after all.

Make them a cash business and treat them like massage parlors

[delavan]

Lol JFC JE, equating people with vermin now? Talk about extreme rhetoric.

          Vermin?  Fuckk you mj

From what I've read, the Moderna vaccine has a much larger dosage (100 mcg) than the Pfizer (30 mcg), which could account for the increased immune response in comparison.

From what I read you can mix the vaxx and the booster (includes Pfizer and Moderna -- doesn't include the Johnson & Johnson vaxx):

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/covid-booster-shot-everything-you-need-to-know/

I think they should certainly open the boosters to older people and immunocompromised.

  I think they've certainly opened the borders to other older people who are immunocompromised let alone mostly unvaccinated
   (while acknowledging the large domestic goober anti-vaxx segment least somebody get their cnn panties all twisted up in knots).

[dcm1602]

freaking Biden opening the borders to a bunch of sick old people

[mj2sexay]

freaking Biden opening the borders to a bunch of sick old people

208k migrant encounters in August, but I'm sure they're all vaccinated.

[mj2sexay]

This Doctor gets it.

https://twitter.com/kwadwo777/status/1438150710739210244?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Johnny English]

This Doctor gets it.

https://twitter.com/kwadwo777/status/1438150710739210244?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Is anyone talking about limiting care to the unvaccinated (at least anyone in a position to actually do it)? The problem exists precisely because we can't, won't and shouldn't limit care, because much as I despise the massively overused "slippery slope" argument it actually applies here - we don't refuse to treat smokers for cancer, or fat people for high blood pressure (settle down there dcm), or people who have thrown themselves off a cliff entrusting their life to a sheet of expensive polythene and broken their legs, and they are all there entirely as a result of their own actions.

What is being talked about (and implemented in various ways and places) is mandating vaccines for access to locations and settings where being unvaccinated presents a greater risk to others. Like hospitals, and bars, and movie theatres. If someone wants to refuse to get vaccinated and go live off the land in the northern wilderness and never interact with humans again, more power to them. I have no problem with that. As soon as they want to actually engage with society they are a problem.