Coronavirus SZN Forever

[SixFeetDeep]

https://twitter.com/steven_strauss/status/1425102667798482949?s=21

[CatoTheElder]

But mask mandate bad.

[mj2sexay]

But mask mandate bad.

The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible.

Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.

[MBGreen]

The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible.

Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.

This is false

[mj2sexay]

This is false

Yeah, you know more than Dr. Marty Makary.

There's nothing about that comment that's false.

Besides, nothing in DeSantis's order prevents kids from wearing masks should that be the desire of their parents. It's just anti-mandate.

[SixFeetDeep]

https://www.wdsu.com/article/more-than-3000-louisiana-children-test-positive-for-covid-19-in-just-four-days/37246194

[SixFeetDeep]

Yeah, you know more than Dr. Marty Makary.

I mean, probably

https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

[bojanglesman]

The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible.

Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.

What the freak man?  No way you have kids. 

Those "small" numbers are blowing up in those backwards derriere states.  Since when is it OK if it's only a "small" number of kids that are dying or in the hospital?  The game is changing.  My kids were in school all year last year with masks on all the time.  The only complaint I got from them was that they kept losing them.  But sure, let's just do nothing because my "waaah my kids might whine about a mask", and let more kids get sick and die because it's only a "small" number and muh freedoms.  Nobody said masks are perfect.  But  they do help.  And yes, little Johnny is probably gonna have his nose hanging out of it.  But that doesn't detract from the majority that don't.  And of course there are only kids in the schools.  No adults or old people work there.  Just kids that are impervious to illness.

https://www.newsweek.com/healthy-children-delta-covid-florida-hospitalizations-increase-ron-desantis-1617392

Like the CDC Director says, children aren't supposed to die, 400 deaths isn't a small number.  Not to mention all these kids in the hospital now that will live and have long-term issues, many of which we don't even know about yet.

[ons]

The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being

The specific mental health related effects of masks is virtually impossible to study, since any mental health related study during the pandemic is during a pandemic. There is no science there, and if we were to allow for conjecture - there is likely a statistically significant portion of children for whom the presence of masks represents safety. The death rate for children is also likely to change based on different variants.

and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible

Masking is adequate to prevent within-school COVID-19 transmission, with no difference between schools requiring greater than 3 feet of distance between students compared to those requiring less than 3 feet.

https://abcsciencecollaborative.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ABCs-Final-Report-June-2021.06-esig-DB-KZ-6-29-21.pdf

Overall, our findings suggest that mandating masks in secondary schools in addition to other parts of society could reduce the strength of COVID-19 resurgence in the UK. Wearing masks forms a barrier for the viral particles to pass from the wearer to people surrounding them and vice versa42, and hence wearing them at schools could reduce COVID-19 incidence in students, staff and teachers.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-88075-0

Benjamin acknowledges, however, that some schools have not taken masking and other public health measures seriously. “The data from [some parts of] Florida are a good way to quantify risk,” he says. “They have a whole lot more COVID than they need to” in school districts without a mask requirement and in ones that reopened sooner.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/schools-can-open-safely-during-covid-the-latest-evidence-shows/

Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.

The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

An increasing number of ecological studies have also provided persuasive evidence that universal mandatory mask wearing policies have been associated with reductions in the number or rate of infections and deaths.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

The effectiveness of masks in population-wide scenarios has been proven to be significant, and as a result, universal face-masking has been encouraged by many national and international agencies... Not all masks are created equal. While laboratory tests generally suggest that N95 masks are superior in performance to surgical masks, population studies in healthcare workers have not documented significant differences. This discrepancy may be due to the lack of proper fit when using N95s. Conversely, cloth masks generally perform poorly compared to N95 and surgical masks in laboratory tests. However, in part because of the global PPE shortage, cloth masks have become the most commonly used PPE by the general public. Despite their shortcomings, community-based research has demonstrated the efficacy of cloth masks in slowing down the spread of COVID-19.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084286/

Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.

Then demonstrate it.

[mj2sexay]

I mean, probably

https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

Lol, two can play that game, but I forgot only those going against the fearmongering bullshit narratives in this place can be wholly disregarded. Anyway; https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-u-s-needs-to-start-being-more-liberal-in-loosening-covid-restrictions/

Again, intellectual dishonesty or stupidity, which is it as you continue to try and fail in catching me in some sort of "gotcha" moment.

The specific mental health related effects of masks is virtually impossible to study, since any mental health related study during the pandemic is during a pandemic. There is no science there, and if we were to allow for conjecture - there is likely a statistically significant portion of children for whom the presence of masks represents safety. The death rate for children is also likely to change based on different variants.
https://abcsciencecollaborative.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ABCs-Final-Report-June-2021.06-esig-DB-KZ-6-29-21.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-88075-0
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/schools-can-open-safely-during-covid-the-latest-evidence-shows/
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084286/


Then demonstrate it.

You yourself provide source material openly admitting that cloth masks don't do excrement, which is predominately what children under government issued mandates will most certainly be wearing. So again, mandating children wear masks when they'll be wearing masks made of cloth is decidedly anti-science and total fearmongering. And that's without getting into the efficacy of masks in general. But just for good measure; https://wbckfm.com/bidens-top-covid-advisor-cnn-cloth-masks-dont-work/



https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-children-parenting-schools-mandates-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-biden-administration-cdc-11628432716

The possible psychological harm of widespread masking is an even greater worry. Facial expressions are integral to human connection, particularly for young children, who are only learning how to signal fear, confusion and happiness. Covering a child’s face mutes these nonverbal forms of communication and can result in robotic and emotionless interactions, anxiety and depression. Seeing people speak is a building block of phonetic development. It is especially important for children with disabilities such as hearing impairment.

The adverse developmental effects of requiring masks for a few weeks are probably minor. We can’t say that with any confidence when the practice stretches on for months or years.

FoLlOw tHe ScIeNcE, except of course when "the science" is wholly incompatible with me trying to force what I want onto the actions of others.

[CatoTheElder]

Just going to leave this here.

https://twitter.com/tundeolaniran/status/1425102103035400205?s=21

[dcm1602]

Just going to leave this here.

https://twitter.com/tundeolaniran/status/1425102103035400205?s=21

Definitely looks like a Trump supporter

[CatoTheElder]

Definitely looks like a Trump supporter

Are you assuming that there are no black Trump supporters or that I think Trump supporters are the only ones not getting the vaccine? Either one is wrong but I just want to know which wrong thing you are implying.

[CatoTheElder]

Anyway, here’s CIDRAP director Dr. Ohlsterholm with a lot more nuance on his masking opinions as well as the Delta variant at large.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/do-masks-provide-much-protection-we-think-bglhwy/

Which falls in line with this commentary he released last year:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19

-Most masks are not effective in blocking the majority of virus particles as the virus can be transmitted through aerosols, the Delta Variant especially
-Part of the reason for the above is that most people don’t wear their masks properly (not covering the nose)
-Messaging to the public should be emphasizing that masking is a lower level step and should not “use the wearing of cloth face coverings as an excuse to decrease other crucial, likely more effective, protective steps, like physical distancing”


His discussion on vaccine mandates vs. private businesses requiring them is an interesting one, especially comparing adopting vaccine requirements for bars and restaurants to adopting anti-smoking measures for bars and restaurants.

This however is not a discussion focused toward reopening schools.

He does have a two part podcast regarding reopening schools but those were from last year, prior to the emergence of the Delta variant.

Part 1 - https://youtu.be/nqhshThDOJA
Part 2 - https://youtu.be/eaP76TArMRU

There’s also an hour long dive into his research on what masks can and cannot due from the same podcast.

Masks & the science - https://youtu.be/OQKwDxAEUCI

I have not listened to any of the three of those as it almost midnight but they will be on my playlist for tomorrow.

[dcm1602]

Are you assuming that there are no black Trump supporters or that I think Trump supporters are the only ones not getting the vaccine? Either one is wrong but I just want to know which wrong thing you are implying.

I'm assuming that people are assuming this to be a problem with only Republicans.

And the odds of a black woman being a Trump supporter is statistically highly improbable