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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3061 on: November 18, 2020, 01:58:45 PM »
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« Reply #3062 on: November 18, 2020, 02:01:26 PM »
I think a lot of that's fair.

To the point of efficacy, of course the vaccine doesn't guarantee that someone won't catch the disease or transmit it, but it does massively reduce the chances of both. Even the 5-10% of people for whom it doesn't work are significantly protected by the 90-95% of people for whom it does; if you get the vaccine and unbeknown to you are still susceptible, the fact that most other people you come into contact with are immune means that your chances of getting it are massively reduced. This is the point of the flu vaccine, just because you don't care if you catch flu doesn't mean you shouldn't have it. You get the vaccine so you won't pass it to someone who can't take the vaccine because of their underlying conditions that make it a much more serious thing for them, and as we have seen this is a more serious and more infectious illness than flu.

I understand the point about the slippery slope, but I don't know that I buy it. If we're going to have such a fight over such a stupidly obvious thing as taking a well studied and researched vaccine for a global pandemic, I find it hard to believe that it's going to be an easy stepping stone to anything else.

Yeah I get the point about the vaccine, I didn't say don't take it or it doesn't help. The point is that it, like other things, only reduces the chance, and it doesn't seem mandating such a thing that only shifts the risk calculation is fair/embodying the principle of bodily autonomy in the first place.

To the second, certain countries likely will mandate the vaccine. Probably won't in most Western ones. But the slippery slope has already happened before; it will probably be different if it ever occurs again, but there's a chance it might. I'd rather pushback against it too early in the game than too late.

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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3063 on: November 18, 2020, 02:12:22 PM »
Yeah I get the point about the vaccine, I didn't say don't take it or it doesn't help. The point is that it, like other things, only reduces the chance, and it doesn't seem mandating such a thing that only shifts the risk calculation is fair/embodying the principle of bodily autonomy in the first place.

I don't think that's true. The magic number for herd immunity was I think 70%, so a vaccine with a 90-95% effective rate doesn't shift the risk calculation, it completely eradicates the illness in very short order. There is a percentage of the population who probably won't be able to have it for underlying reasons, just as with flu, and there will be another percentage who won't get it for social reasons (e.g. the homeless), so we need as many who can to do so in order to completely wipe out covid.
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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3064 on: November 18, 2020, 02:20:47 PM »
I don't think that's true. The magic number for herd immunity was I think 70%, so a vaccine with a 90-95% effective rate doesn't shift the risk calculation, it completely eradicates the illness in very short order. There is a percentage of the population who probably won't be able to have it for underlying reasons, just as with flu, and there will be another percentage who won't get it for social reasons (e.g. the homeless), so we need as many who can to do so in order to completely wipe out covid.

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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3065 on: November 18, 2020, 03:03:11 PM »
I won't get it because of the microchip that reports to Soros.

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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3066 on: November 19, 2020, 08:54:15 AM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-dakota-covid-death-rate-cases-b1727143.html%3famp

North Dakota posted the the world's highest COVID mortality rate last week. Their governor has been anti-mask mandate from the start.
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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3067 on: November 19, 2020, 09:21:41 AM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-dakota-covid-death-rate-cases-b1727143.html%3famp

North Dakota posted the the world's highest COVID mortality rate last week. Their governor has been anti-mask mandate from the start.

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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3068 on: November 19, 2020, 09:46:33 AM »
You would think the low population density would help

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« Reply #3069 on: November 19, 2020, 10:09:49 AM »
Build a wall around the Dakotas
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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3070 on: November 19, 2020, 11:04:27 AM »
Build a wall around the Dakotas

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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3071 on: November 19, 2020, 05:47:32 PM »
Turns out Matt Stafford’s wife is about as intelligent as you would expect someone who is married to Matt Stafford to be.

https://deadspin.com/everyone-feel-really-bad-for-kelly-stafford-living-unde-1845718465
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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
« Reply #3072 on: November 19, 2020, 06:01:12 PM »
Turns out Matt Stafford’s wife is about as intelligent as you would expect someone who is married to Matt Stafford to be.

https://deadspin.com/everyone-feel-really-bad-for-kelly-stafford-living-unde-1845718465

This is the same wife who had brain cancer a few years ago, right? I would have expected her to be a little bit more aware of the risks, but as you say. Given Stafford is thick as pigshit and twice as dense, it's probably not a huge surprise his wife would be as well.
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« Reply #3073 on: November 19, 2020, 06:44:56 PM »
This is the same wife who had brain cancer a few years ago, right? I would have expected her to be a little bit more aware of the risks, but as you say. Given Stafford is thick as pigshit and twice as dense, it's probably not a huge surprise his wife would be as well.

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Re: Coronavirus SZN Forever
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