Coronavirus SZN Forever

[Heismanberg]

Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/

That guy is the WORST

[reuben]

imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes

yeah, touche

[d sw0rdz]

imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes

what about the numbers from italy

[d sw0rdz]

Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/

without looking it up/knowing, i'm sure this guy is pro - life, and i'm sure he'd find a way to justify it and say the situations are different if it was brought up to him. something like the oldies have already had enough time on earth and the babies can't defend themselves

[IATA]

“No one reached out to me and said, ‘as a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’” Patrick said. “And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in.”  

And that doesn't make me noble or brave or anything like that," he continued. "I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me... that what we care about and what we love more than anything are those children."

"I'm not saying I'm a hero..."

[IATA]

The most heroic action of all, letting other people die.

[dcm1602]

Disregarding the ignorant fucktards, here's the article/opinion I linked, like it or not, it's interesting:

If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out n cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.

Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.

The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.

Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.

Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vò, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vò were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.

The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.

How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.

The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.

This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.

If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.

A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.

Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article.

I think one of the biggest reasons the fatality rate is much higher in China (other than their government murdering them or presumably them having shitty Healthcare) is smoking rates. China is the biggest consumer of cigarettes in the world and has one of the highest smoking rates in the world. And studies have suggested that smoking is the reason men are far more likely to die from Corona then women (because men are far more likely to smoke)

[mj2sexay]

Personal life experience of being a furloughed, racist attorney living in a gated community*  (TWO WHOLE YEARS?!)

And yes, I "washed out" of public education because it was way too hard for the money I was making.  I have no problem admitting that.

I was working as a public defender you stupid freak. Some cunts like you like to think by espousing your horseshit, you're making the world a better place. I was actually defending the indigent. Real large amount of PD's "living in gated communities" FFS, the town I live in was called a pooper around these parts when I asked about it before I moved there.

You're a queynte, IATA's a stupid freak and you can both go fist yourselves.

[mj2sexay]

You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”

Show me where I went anywhere close to an ad hominem like this. Unlike Heis who actually pretty much lived up to the stereotype.

[Heismanberg]

I was working as a public defender you stupid freak.

You have no idea what it's like in an actual "indigent" community.

[mj2sexay]

You have no idea what it's like in an actual "indigent" community.

OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo I'm sure you're a fountain of information about it.

[Heismanberg]

OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo I'm sure you're a fountain of information about it.

I mean probably more so than anyone that posts on this board.

I have a certain appreciation for what public defenders do to an extent, but more often than not, they don't see where those people started and where they come from.

[CatoTheElder]

My old ship is on lockdown in home port. There’s a box at the end of the pier that family members can drop off supplies and snacks. I’m done complaining about shore duty.

[IATA]

I was working as a public defender you stupid freak. Some cunts like you like to think by espousing your horseshit, you're making the world a better place. I was actually defending the indigent. Real large amount of PD's "living in gated communities" FFS, the town I live in was called a pooper around these parts when I asked about it before I moved there.

You're a queynte, IATA's a stupid freak and you can both go fist yourselves.

no u

[dcm1602]

This thread has become the most aids riddled
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.

While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful