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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1605 on: December 06, 2019, 12:20:29 AM »
I mean, Bell has sucked this year, so it's hard to argue he knows how to use Bell the correct way, but as with everything else, the issue is primarily with the offensive line.

Early in the year, everyone bitched we would run the ball too much on 1st down instead of pass.

When he runs the ball on 3rd down, everyone bitches.

The issue is we can't block well enough to generate holes to run through.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1606 on: December 06, 2019, 06:25:21 AM »
The OL is the problem.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1607 on: December 06, 2019, 07:44:59 AM »
I’m not sure running Bell 30 times for 2 YPC is the solution here

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1608 on: December 06, 2019, 09:12:07 AM »
The OL is the problem.

There can be two problems.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1609 on: December 06, 2019, 09:15:56 AM »
There can be two problems.
Nah it's the offensive line.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1610 on: December 06, 2019, 09:17:14 AM »
There can be two problems.

nobody on this board can count that high.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1611 on: December 06, 2019, 11:02:29 AM »
It's the OL fault they can't block inside runs, so it's true that the OL is to blame.

But the "genius" didn't dial up a single outside run against the league's worst run defense that struggles against outside runs.

The OL sucks, but Adam Gase sucks more.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1612 on: December 06, 2019, 09:29:49 PM »
nobody on this board can count that high.
Maybe if we won more than 4-5 games in a season we'd have to learn higher numbers.

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1613 on: December 06, 2019, 09:49:04 PM »
Maybe if we won more than 4-5 games in a season we'd have to learn higher numbers.
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1614 on: December 06, 2019, 10:41:51 PM »
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.

And he's old and coming off some health problems

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1615 on: December 06, 2019, 10:53:24 PM »
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.

And he's old and coming off some health problems
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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1616 on: December 07, 2019, 01:22:12 AM »
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.

And he's old and coming off some health problems

Because they’re two different kinds of backs. Bilal is way more direct. He sees a hole, he attacks it. Our OL opens hopes for like .05 seconds so sometimes that works better. Bell has a patient style, he waits for the best hole to open and he attacks. Problem here is, there’s no best hole because our OL just doesn’t open them.

Give Bell a decent OL and he’ll start producing for sure.

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1617 on: December 07, 2019, 02:03:37 AM »
Because they’re two different kinds of backs. Bilal is way more direct. He sees a hole, he attacks it. Our OL opens hopes for like .05 seconds so sometimes that works better. Bell has a patient style, he waits for the best hole to open and he attacks. Problem here is, there’s no best hole because our OL just doesn’t open them.

Give Bell a decent OL and he’ll start producing for sure.
I think it's mostly because Powell has fewer carries, so the sample size is smaller. Plus, most of his carries are in less run-obvious spots. Powell isn't getting carries on 2nd and goal from the 2 where your YPC is certain to go down. Those are all Bell. And Bell played pretty much every down when Falk was QB since Gase thought the only way we had any chance is if Bell carried us.

It's also not inconceivable that we all overrate Bell. He averaged 4.0 YPC in 2017 and sat out last season. There's a chance that Bell isn't that good anymore, or that Bell is a system running back, and we don't run the right system.

But I really think it's mostly the offensive line. In 2007, Thomas Jones averaged 3.6 yards per carry. We signed Faneca and Woody, and all of a sudden he averaged 4.5 yards per carry.

I don't know how much of the OL issues could be fixed by coaching.
- Beachum was signed as a stopgap, replacement-level OT that was competent but flawed.
- Winters is replacement-level when healthy, but he's usually playing at like 60%, and 60% of Winters is not good
- Harrison was someone we all wanted replaced before the season. He's not good.
- Ryan Kalil was washed LAST season and came out of retirement in camp.
- Tom Compton was a camp depth signing.
- Alex Lewis was acquired in the middle of camp annd is replacement level
- Kelechi Osemele is some combination of washed/injured/unmotivated.
- Chuma Edoga isn't ready.
- Brandon Shell was a mediocre starter coming off a major knee injury.

You can get away with 1-2 of those caliber players starting. We will likely need to start 1-3 of those guys or guys of that caliber next season. You can maybe get away with more if they have time to practice and play together. OL is a position where continuity helps. This is a unit completely devoid of talent and continuity.

When your offensive line is that bad, you're going to be inconsistent offensively. We have a lot of holding penalties because they can't protect otherwise. We can't run because they can't block. We get in bad down-and-distance situations constantly because of the last two things.

Every one of our offensive issues starts with the offensive line. Part of that is coaching. But most of it is talent.

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Re: The Curious Case of Adam Gase - freaking Fired
« Reply #1618 on: December 07, 2019, 06:55:20 PM »
We know the OL is bad. We’ve known the OL has been bad for years. Now that we have that out of the way, we can focus on the thread topic.

Adam Gase doesn’t know how to use Le’Veon Bell, and we face the real possibility that the most exciting offensive weapon we’ve had in a decade could be traded in the offseason for salary cap relief, in a deal where we would probably have to eat some of his contract.
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