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Re: Offensive Line
« Reply #390 on: December 18, 2019, 05:58:19 PM »

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« Reply #391 on: December 18, 2019, 10:21:07 PM »
I would love to read your opinion about this:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard

Before I got to whatever your point is, I saw Ed Oliver in IdL top 5 win rate. I love Quinnen Williams and he’s a great guy unfortunately through year 1 Josh Allen, Ed Oliver, and Brian Burns all would have been objectively better picks than him.
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« Reply #392 on: December 18, 2019, 10:22:13 PM »
Alex Lewis??
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« Reply #393 on: December 18, 2019, 10:34:07 PM »
The right side of our offensive line is such excrement that the guys on the left side don't have to block very long to "win"
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« Reply #394 on: December 18, 2019, 10:37:51 PM »
Before I got to whatever your point is, I saw Ed Oliver in IdL top 5 win rate. I love Quinnen Williams and he’s a great guy unfortunately through year 1 Josh Allen, Ed Oliver, and Brian Burns all would have been objectively better picks than him.

Based on what?  Sacks? 
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« Reply #395 on: December 18, 2019, 11:01:15 PM »
Based on what?  Sacks? 

Sacks, pressures, the recurring fact that no matter how much we invest in our interior DL our defense never seems to take the next step. I carried the same opinion before the draft last year. In complete hindsight due to lack of faith in our current roster, I now think we could get similar/good enough production out of McClendon, Hank, Fatukasi, Shep, Philips, etc.
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« Reply #396 on: December 19, 2019, 11:33:17 AM »
Sacks, pressures, the recurring fact that no matter how much we invest in our interior DL our defense never seems to take the next step. I carried the same opinion before the draft last year. In complete hindsight due to lack of faith in our current roster, I now think we could get similar/good enough production out of McClendon, Hank, Fatukasi, Shep, Philips, etc.

Agreed

Our DL is always "good" at taking up blockers in the passing game, but there is no one behind them to take advantage of that and get to the offensive backfield. It's nice that this team is always good against the run, but this is a passing league, and they can never get to the guy throwing the ball.

The best "pass rusher" on this team is a safety. Before that, it was a nickel corner who was awful at being a corner. Draft EDGE. (But only after drafting a lot of OL)
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« Reply #397 on: December 19, 2019, 11:34:52 AM »
Agreed

Our DL is always "good" at taking up blockers in the passing game, but there is no one behind them to take advantage of that and get to the offensive backfield. It's nice that this team is always good against the run, but this is a passing league, and they can never get to the guy throwing the ball.

The best "pass rusher" on this team is a safety. Before that, it was a nickel corner who was awful at being a corner. Draft EDGE. (But only after drafting a lot of OL)

We'll hopefully have Mosely and Williamson back.
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« Reply #398 on: December 19, 2019, 11:42:52 AM »
We'll hopefully have Mosely and Williamson back.
I wonder if the Jets consider moving on from Williamson.  Probably not.  Last year of his deal, $8.5 million on the cap.  We've had a large amount of time to see if there's anyone else on the roster that can replace him at a fraction of the cost. Cashman, Burgess, Hewitt.  None of them are as good as Williamson, but he is replaceable.

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« Reply #399 on: December 19, 2019, 12:09:58 PM »
We'll hopefully have Mosely and Williamson back.

They're middle linebackers. I like both of them, but we need a traditional guy on the outside whose primary job is to break Brady.
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Re: Offensive Line
« Reply #400 on: December 19, 2019, 12:16:42 PM »
I wonder if the Jets consider moving on from Williamson.  Probably not.  Last year of his deal, $8.5 million on the cap.  We've had a large amount of time to see if there's anyone else on the roster that can replace him at a fraction of the cost. Cashman, Burgess, Hewitt.  None of them are as good as Williamson, but he is replaceable.

Honestly given the way Hewitt has played and the investment in Mosley, I think Williamson is as good as gone unless he either restructures or they determine that there's no other way to allocate the 8.5 that'd be as beneficial.


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« Reply #401 on: December 19, 2019, 12:51:20 PM »
I wonder if the Jets consider moving on from Williamson.  Probably not.  Last year of his deal, $8.5 million on the cap.  We've had a large amount of time to see if there's anyone else on the roster that can replace him at a fraction of the cost. Cashman, Burgess, Hewitt.  None of them are as good as Williamson, but he is replaceable.

Why would we keep him?  Our backups have been more than serviceable without Mosley. Dude is gone

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« Reply #402 on: December 19, 2019, 12:54:38 PM »
Why would we keep him?  Our backups have been more than serviceable without Mosley. Dude is gone
Maybe the Jets want more than "serviceable".

The other issue is him coming off injury.

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« Reply #403 on: December 19, 2019, 01:32:39 PM »
Maybe the Jets want more than "serviceable".

The other issue is him coming off injury.

I honestly think the production from the ILB has been a positive from this season. With a healthy Mosley, I would be okay with saving the 8.5M and having Cashman and Burgess man the other spot. Put that money towards a tackle, guard or WR.

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Re: Offensive Line
« Reply #404 on: December 19, 2019, 01:46:02 PM »
Williamson is as good as gone

Not worth what we’re paying him
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