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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1725 on: November 12, 2021, 06:03:25 PM »
Fair point Puck but en route to the presidency, during his days as a minister de Klerk supported and enforced apartheid.  And call me cynical but any 'magnanimity' one may want to credit de Klerk with should be viewed in context, i.e. that apartheid made less and less sense economically in the face of an increasingly strident international court of public opinion. 

edit - true trivia:  Douglaston, Queens' own John Patrick McEnroe was offered $1,000,000 to play an exhibition against Bjorn Borg in Sun City back in the day.  While the 'progressive' Swede Borg was game, Johnny Mac to his everlasting credit refused.

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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1726 on: November 12, 2021, 08:51:23 PM »
Fair point Puck but en route to the presidency, during his days as a minister de Klerk supported and enforced apartheid.  And call me cynical but any 'magnanimity' one may want to credit de Klerk with should be viewed in context, i.e. that apartheid made less and less sense economically in the face of an increasingly strident international court of public opinion. 

edit - true trivia:  Douglaston, Queens' own John Patrick McEnroe was offered $1,000,000 to play an exhibition against Bjorn Borg in Sun City back in the day.  While the 'progressive' Swede Borg was game, Johnny Mac to his everlasting credit refused.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/8ik0zt/in_1980_mcenroe_was_offered_1m_to_play_an/

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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1727 on: November 14, 2021, 05:33:51 PM »
It's complicated. He was certainly one of the key catalysts for change, but he did so in the face of massively mounting international pressure and sanctions, and he was widely disliked by both whites for making it happen and blacks for not doing it earlier or quickly enough.

What is inarguable is that he was the man who freed Mandela and in doing so made the ending of apartheid unstoppable.

de Klerk is basically Gorbachev. True believer in the system that was sort of forced to change it, kinda sorta realized the system they were supporting was fucked but too ingrained/old. But he was also behind atrocities like the Craddock Four.

Ultimately I do think it's harder than given credit for to dismantle such systems and to get the Nats to lay down arms (even if things were trending in that way) and for that he should get at least some credit.

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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1728 on: November 15, 2021, 02:27:46 PM »
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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1730 on: November 23, 2021, 04:39:07 PM »
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« Reply #1732 on: November 29, 2021, 06:27:09 PM »
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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1733 on: December 05, 2021, 08:48:24 PM »
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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1734 on: December 10, 2021, 03:50:45 AM »
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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1736 on: December 11, 2021, 07:42:38 AM »
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Re: The Obituary Column
« Reply #1737 on: December 12, 2021, 11:59:06 AM »
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