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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1455 on: April 08, 2020, 04:00:56 PM »
Six years here and his QBs were Sanchez and Geno. It's amazing our playoff drought doesn't date back to the Mangenius year with Chad at QB.

He wouldn't have had to have used Geno if he hadn't stupidly broken Sanchez. I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1456 on: April 08, 2020, 04:06:12 PM »
He wouldn't have had to have used Geno if he hadn't stupidly broken Sanchez. I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.

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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1457 on: April 08, 2020, 05:48:06 PM »
He wouldn't have had to have used Geno if he hadn't stupidly broken Sanchez. I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.

So Sanchez wasn't good but it was Rex's fault for "breaking him"?

That's like saying he didn't win the Indy 500 in a Plymouth Duster because of his driving.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1458 on: April 08, 2020, 05:59:14 PM »
So Sanchez wasn't good but it was Rex's fault for "breaking him"?

That's like saying he didn't win the Indy 500 in a Plymouth Duster because of his driving.

Where did you get me saying Sanchez wasn't good from? I have always been a Sanchez apologist. I believe we fucked him up in a number of ways, but if Rex hadn't put Sanchez back out there to get injured against the Giants, both of them would have lasted much longer in New York. They both had a lot of goodwill from the fanbase still which was well earned from the playoff runs, and another season of development from Sanchez could have seen them both back on an upward trajectory. The lost season for Sanchez was where excrement really fell apart for them both.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1459 on: April 09, 2020, 09:03:12 AM »
Where did you get me saying Sanchez wasn't good from? I have always been a Sanchez apologist. I believe we fucked him up in a number of ways, but if Rex hadn't put Sanchez back out there to get injured against the Giants, both of them would have lasted much longer in New York. They both had a lot of goodwill from the fanbase still which was well earned from the playoff runs, and another season of development from Sanchez could have seen them both back on an upward trajectory. The lost season for Sanchez was where excrement really fell apart for them both.

With the way they were handling the rest of the roster in general, and the WRs and OLine specifically, I don't think it would have mattered for Sanchez or Rex. The entire offense was going down hill. It would have sunk them both just the same.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1460 on: April 09, 2020, 11:55:44 AM »
Where did you get me saying Sanchez wasn't good from?

This:

I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.

Working past your double negative, you seem to be saying that Rex and Sanchez would have had the same basic careers (or "not different") had their paths not crossed or Sanchez not gotten injured. Sanchez never again became a starter in a league loaded with teams who desperately needed one, which indicates he was never that good. Somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a rookie and a second year player.

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I have always been a Sanchez apologist. I believe we fucked him up in a number of ways, but if Rex hadn't put Sanchez back out there to get injured against the Giants, both of them would have lasted much longer in New York. They both had a lot of goodwill from the fanbase still which was well earned from the playoff runs, and another season of development from Sanchez could have seen them both back on an upward trajectory. The lost season for Sanchez was where excrement really fell apart for them both.

Here you seem to be saying the opposite. It's possible, it would have depended on how Sanchez did that year as opposed to Geno as a rookie. I think Sanchez benefited from Rex having a good D and keeping us in games; conversely I think a better, more experienced QB at any time in Rex's tenure here would have made a big difference. Belichick was a defensive specialist with a losing record as a head coach until Brady went in. If we had Favre or a healthy Pennington to handle the offense we'd have been much better off.

For the record I was also a huge Sanchez apologist in his time here and was kind of surprised he never managed to start for the rest of his career on teams like Denver and the Bears. Dak beat him out as a rookie but he turned out to be a very good QB.


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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1461 on: April 09, 2020, 12:22:20 PM »
This:
Working past your double negative, you seem to be saying that Rex and Sanchez would have had the same basic careers (or "not different") had their paths not crossed or Sanchez not gotten injured. Sanchez never again became a starter in a league loaded with teams who desperately needed one, which indicates he was never that good. Somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a rookie and a second year player.

Here you seem to be saying the opposite. It's possible, it would have depended on how Sanchez did that year as opposed to Geno as a rookie. I think Sanchez benefited from Rex having a good D and keeping us in games; conversely I think a better, more experienced QB at any time in Rex's tenure here would have made a big difference. Belichick was a defensive specialist with a losing record as a head coach until Brady went in. If we had Favre or a healthy Pennington to handle the offense we'd have been much better off.

For the record I was also a huge Sanchez apologist in his time here and was kind of surprised he never managed to start for the rest of his career on teams like Denver and the Bears. Dak beat him out as a rookie but he turned out to be a very good QB.




Reading it back, there were an awful lot of negatives in that sentence. Anyway, my point was that if Sanchez hadn't gotten injured against the Giants in preseason 2013 things could have turned out very differently for both Rex and Mark. We went 8-8 with Geno Smith under center, I absolutely believe we pick up at least a couple more wins with Sanchez playing 16 games and if we had we'd have gone to the wildcard game, which in turn puts a completely different complexion on how Rex and Mark are treated the following offseason.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1462 on: April 09, 2020, 12:25:38 PM »
Reading it back, there were an awful lot of negatives in that sentence. Anyway, my point was that if Sanchez hadn't gotten injured against the Giants in preseason 2013 things could have turned out very differently for both Rex and Mark. We went 8-8 with Geno Smith under center, I absolutely believe we pick up at least a couple more wins with Sanchez playing 16 games and if we had we'd have gone to the wildcard game, which in turn puts a completely different complexion on how Rex and Mark are treated the following offseason.

That's fair.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1463 on: April 09, 2020, 03:31:26 PM »
Here's another thought--how about 2013 with Sanchez instead of Geno and Revis instead of Milliner? Now we're talking some different career paths, potentially.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1464 on: April 09, 2020, 03:42:21 PM »
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1465 on: April 09, 2020, 05:10:22 PM »
This debate is going to haunt me for the rest of my life. Rex, Tannenbaum, and Idzik completely ruined the offense. Peyton Manning couldn’t have won here that excrement. Belichick with Brady couldn’t have performed any better with that roster. Sanchez ultimately never stood a chance. And he wasn’t that much of a prize, either.

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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1466 on: April 09, 2020, 05:21:07 PM »
This debate is going to haunt me for the rest of my life. Rex, Tannenbaum, and Idzik completely ruined the offense. Peyton Manning couldn’t have won here that excrement. Belichick with Brady couldn’t have performed any better with that roster. Sanchez ultimately never stood a chance. And he wasn’t that much of a prize, either.



The line deteriorated around Brick and Mangold, we couldn't afford to keep all the WRs, Holmes got paid and didn't live up to it. LT aged out, Sanchez never stepped up, he got exposed.
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1467 on: April 10, 2020, 04:09:44 PM »
Fuckin Sanchez apologists. No amount of talent can fix his excrement fuckin decision making and accuracy

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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1468 on: April 10, 2020, 04:39:54 PM »
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Re: ESPN shill Rex Ryan
« Reply #1469 on: April 10, 2020, 11:05:55 PM »
Willie Colon on the Sanchez injury because why TF not?
Thank you.  This will be my response anytime someone tries to tell me rex shouldnt have gotten fired.

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