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Re: U.S. Politics
« Reply #8671 on: December 29, 2023, 08:27:25 AM »
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/29/2023-worst-political-predictions-00132568

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« Reply #8672 on: December 29, 2023, 02:36:37 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/29/2023-worst-political-predictions-00132568

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“Civil war will break out in the U.S.,” Medvedev wrote. California and Texas will become “independent states as a result."

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« Reply #8675 on: January 06, 2024, 01:29:13 PM »
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« Reply #8677 on: January 06, 2024, 02:39:14 PM »
freaking grifter.

Is he? He represents working class Pennsylvania; he's pro union, pro gun control, pro healthcare, pro individual rights, anti corporation, which seems to be entirely in tune with his constituency. He's in many ways more left wing than many of his Democratic colleagues and in others far less progressive, and I think he's always been that way. It feels to me a bit like many left wing voters tried to believe he is what they wanted him to be, and now he's in the Senate and continuing to be who he has always been they're upset that he isn't falling in line with what they think should be his position.
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« Reply #8678 on: January 06, 2024, 02:46:54 PM »
Is he? He represents working class Pennsylvania; he's pro union, pro gun control, pro healthcare, pro individual rights, anti corporation, which seems to be entirely in tune with his constituency. He's in many ways more left wing than many of his Democratic colleagues and in others far less progressive, and I think he's always been that way. It feels to me a bit like many left wing voters tried to believe he is what they wanted him to be, and now he's in the Senate and continuing to be who he has always been they're upset that he isn't falling in line with what they think should be his position.

Ran his entire campaign as "I'm totally a progressive"

The last two months: I'm so not a progressive, you guys!

He's flipped his stance from his campaign to now on several issues. The evidence is in this thread .feel free to read back.
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« Reply #8679 on: January 06, 2024, 03:15:57 PM »
Ran his entire campaign as "I'm totally a progressive"

The last two months: I'm so not a progressive, you guys!

He's flipped his stance from his campaign to now on several issues. The evidence is in this thread .feel free to read back.

I think that depends very much on how you define "progressive". He built his reputation on his role as mayor in the rejuvenation of a dead industrial town, including working as a mediator alongside the town police to de-escalate situations and prevent arrests, and using his mayoral office to conduct same sex marriages despite it being illegal in Pennsylvania. Those are key tenets of what is generally considered a progressive position in the modern political world. He also stopped a black kid at gunpoint because he suspected him of committing a crime, which is a decidedly unprogressive action.

I don't think it's contradictory to think that he might look at some of the positions that modern progressives are taking and say "that's not who I am" - I like to think I'm fairly progressive and I do that too - while still considering him to be true to who he always was. The fact that you and others don't like some of the things he says and is is entirely reasonable, but I think he is pretty honest. He wasn't a polished political operator before his stroke and he definitely isn't now, but I respect his willingness to say what he thinks rather than what is most politically expedient to say.
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« Reply #8680 on: January 06, 2024, 03:19:41 PM »
I think that depends very much on how you define "progressive". He built his reputation on his role as mayor in the rejuvenation of a dead industrial town, including working as a mediator alongside the town police to de-escalate situations and prevent arrests, and using his mayoral office to conduct same sex marriages despite it being illegal in Pennsylvania. Those are key tenets of what is generally considered a progressive position in the modern political world. He also stopped a black kid at gunpoint because he suspected him of committing a crime, which is a decidedly unprogressive action.

I don't think it's contradictory to think that he might look at some of the positions that modern progressives are taking and say "that's not who I am" - I like to think I'm fairly progressive and I do that too - while still considering him to be true to who he always was. The fact that you and others don't like some of the things he says and is is entirely reasonable, but I think he is pretty honest. He wasn't a polished political operator before his stroke and he definitely isn't now, but I respect his willingness to say what he thinks rather than what is most politically expedient to say.

No.

He doesn't have to not believe in liberal politics to not be a grifter.

He ran as someone who called himself a progressive and aligned his campaign with Bernie Sanders' politics. Now that he is in office, he has actively declared himself as an opponent to progressive politics and is using this language.

He sold himself as a progressive to win that section of the electorate and he is now moving away from it. The dude is a centrist lib who played the left wing of the party.

But please keep telling yourself that there is a world where a progressive would use the word pinko.
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« Reply #8681 on: January 06, 2024, 05:26:02 PM »
I think that depends very much on how you define "progressive". He built his reputation on his role as mayor in the rejuvenation of a dead industrial town, including working as a mediator alongside the town police to de-escalate situations and prevent arrests, and using his mayoral office to conduct same sex marriages despite it being illegal in Pennsylvania. Those are key tenets of what is generally considered a progressive position in the modern political world. He also stopped a black kid at gunpoint because he suspected him of committing a crime, which is a decidedly unprogressive action.

I don't think it's contradictory to think that he might look at some of the positions that modern progressives are taking and say "that's not who I am" - I like to think I'm fairly progressive and I do that too - while still considering him to be true to who he always was. The fact that you and others don't like some of the things he says and is is entirely reasonable, but I think he is pretty honest. He wasn't a polished political operator before his stroke and he definitely isn't now, but I respect his willingness to say what he thinks rather than what is most politically expedient to say.
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« Reply #8682 on: January 06, 2024, 06:25:50 PM »
He's spent the last couple months vigorously defending Israel's right to commit genocide. He's cooked.

no way the twitter schizoposters will vote for him now, he's done for

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« Reply #8683 on: January 06, 2024, 09:24:31 PM »
no way the twitter schizoposters will vote for him now, he's done for

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« Reply #8684 on: January 06, 2024, 09:47:22 PM »
He's spent the last couple months vigorously defending Israel's right to commit genocide. He's cooked.
Cooked how? I doubt his constituency really cares that much about a proxy wsr halfway around the world.
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