U.S. Politics

[delavan]

Too lazy to make actual points, too lazy to defend his pretend beliefs, too lazy to even be a high-school-level troll.

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[dcm1602]

We all kind of know this, but this is sweet, naive dcm in a milk chocolate covered nutshell.

Too lazy to make actual points, too lazy to defend his pretend beliefs, too lazy to even be a high-school-level troll.

Take a look at almost every political argument on here.

excrement gets way too freaking heated and personal. And I feel like that's fairly common for most political arguments with people who have fairly strong opinions.

I come on here because I like the Jets. Sometimes I'll take the bait, and quickly realize it's not worth it. I don't want to be an poopchute to anyone, and I certainly don't want to deal with it.

I'm okay with occasionally being obnoxious and retarded, taking my licks, and then leaving it there

[steves850]

Take a look at almost every political argument on here.

excrement gets way too freaking heated and personal. And I feel like that's fairly common for most political arguments with people who have fairly strong opinions.

I come on here because I like the Jets. Sometimes I'll take the bait, and quickly realize it's not worth it. I don't want to be an poopchute to anyone, and I certainly don't want to deal with it.

I'm okay with occasionally being obnoxious and retarded, taking my licks, and then leaving it there

I assure you I don't get as heated as people perceive. I enjoy having a discord with people on the opposite side. Especially when they have actual facts to back up their station.

I may not change my position but it's good, and important, to understand their perspective.

[delavan]

Take a look at almost every political argument on here.

excrement gets way too freaking heated and personal. And I feel like that's fairly common for most political arguments with people who have fairly strong opinions.

I come on here because I like the Jets. Sometimes I'll take the bait, and quickly realize it's not worth it. I don't want to be an poopchute to anyone, and I certainly don't want to deal with it.

I'm okay with occasionally being obnoxious and retarded, taking my licks, and then leaving it there

Never take it seriously dcm.  There are people who treat 'like-minded' politicians as celebrities-imagine.  There are bigoted, hyper-partisan zealots in the media who obsequiously ball (or clit) wash them at every turn-imagine: *journalists*.  There are our 'one side of the aisle' political leaders claiming the high moral ground yet in the very next breath caustically generalizing about 'those on the other side of the aisle'.  Hell I've even read here in JO-ville where some have cut ties with family members because they don't share the same political worldview.  The freak?

Take the reparations issue: I've no problem with it and I have my reasons for it.  At the same time I also reserve the right to, well, ....

https://twitter.com/BlacksOrganize/status/1592787436601769991

no reason to make an issue out of a tissue.  Someone jumps ugly?  Respond in kind, or laugh at them.  "My way or the highway" types aren't worth the angst. 

[Gorilla]

Take a look at almost every political argument on here.

excrement gets way too freaking heated and personal. And I feel like that's fairly common for most political arguments with people who have fairly strong opinions.

I come on here because I like the Jets. Sometimes I'll take the bait, and quickly realize it's not worth it. I don't want to be an poopchute to anyone, and I certainly don't want to deal with it.

I'm okay with occasionally being obnoxious and retarded, taking my licks, and then leaving it there

I agree, make no mistake.

When i insinuate you are trolling, I seriously think I'm being generous and giving credit.
In the internet era, we all have our occasions of being "obnoxious and retarded"....hopefully more so online and minimally IRL.

[mj2sexay]

You do realize that reparations is not a punishment against you or other white Americans, right?

First of all, the central point of her words was that reparations would've helped bridge some sort of COVID divide, which is patently absurd.

Second of all, of course it is. I understand socialists think wealth and money are conjured out of thin air, but using public funds to cut a check to people on the basis of their skin color, A. lessons the pot for other social programs that would not only benefit other White Americans, but Asians, Hispanics etc, and B. specifically discriminates against those groups based on race.

Something like 3% of Black Americans were the descendants of slaves. My ancestry were busy on the boot making shoes and doing w/e else, they had absolutely nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow etc.

[Johnny English]

I agree, make no mistake.

When i insinuate you are trolling, I seriously think I'm being generous and giving credit.
In the internet era, we all have our occasions of being "obnoxious and retarded"....hopefully more so online and minimally IRL.

It is genuinely hilarious seeing how well people all get on IRL at the tailgate given the things they say to each other on here at times. It makes me think that just maybe there's a bunch of online personas going on.

You should come to one and see for yourself.

[Johnny English]

First of all, the central point of her words was that reparations would've helped bridge some sort of COVID divide, which is patently absurd.

Second of all, of course it is. I understand socialists think wealth and money are conjured out of thin air, but using public funds to cut a check to people on the basis of their skin color, A. lessons the pot for other social programs that would not only benefit other White Americans, but Asians, Hispanics etc, and B. specifically discriminates against those groups based on race.

Something like 3% of Black Americans were the descendants of slaves. My ancestry were busy on the boot making shoes and doing w/e else, they had absolutely nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow etc.

I have a really bold idea. How about taking it out of the pot used to subsidise corporations and billionaires?

[mj2sexay]

It is genuinely hilarious seeing how well people all get on IRL at the tailgate given the things they say to each other on here at times. It makes me think that just maybe there's a bunch of online personas going on.

You should come to one and see for yourself.

I was just going to say, I had a blast at the tailgate hanging out with people I certainly mix it up with from time to time on here politically, but at the same time JE you've never taken it to a serious personal level. I'm just being honest, I don't know how I'd react towards someone who wished COVID at a time people were dying in large numbers from it on me and mine.

I have a really bold idea. How about taking it out of the pot used to subsidise corporations and billionaires?

Why should an entire 13 percent of the population get a check when 10 percent of said population doesn't have ancestry that were slaves?

Solve the homeless vet crisis, solve infrastructure issues on places like LI where poor people are just totally SIL in terms of using public transpo, or in places like the rural midwest where they have no high speed wifi, etc etc. Then idk, maybe. I still find it fundamentally unfair. And it has nothing to do with BeInG tHrEaTeNeD bEcAuSe ItS pUnIsHiNg wHiTeS. Affirmative action in essence punished whites (though moreso asians). I understood the need for it, with the caveat that it was never supposed to be a permanent solution.

On a much different topic; as much as I think student loan forgiveness is a suckers gambit considering it only emboldens universities and predatory lenders to continue to overcharge impressionable youngens on tuition while juicing them at a rate a loanshark would blush at because they know a government bailout is coming, I'd much rather see us spend the money we just handed Zelensky on our own youth.

[Johnny English]

Solve the homeless vet crisis, solve infrastructure issues on places like LI where poor people are just totally SIL in terms of using public transpo, or in places like the rural midwest where they have no high speed wifi, etc etc.

I feel like a lot of people would vote for a party actually committed to doing things like that.

On a much different topic; as much as I think student loan forgiveness is a suckers gambit considering it only emboldens universities and predatory lenders to continue to overcharge impressionable youngens on tuition

Didn't you vote for someone who did pretty much exactly that to be President?

[mj2sexay]

I feel like a lot of people would vote for a party actually committed to doing things like that.

Didn't you vote for someone who did pretty much exactly that to be President?

Trump issued out loans to young people for a wildly overpriced product at a 9 percent interest rate that you can't discharge in bankruptcy?

[Johnny English]

Trump issued out loans to young people for a wildly overpriced product at a 9 percent interest rate that you can't discharge in bankruptcy?

No, he merely sold fraudulent education promises to people who absolutely all had the cash laying around in their bank accounts to pay for the courses he was promising. Obviously a very different thing.

[mj2sexay]

No, he merely sold fraudulent education promises to people who absolutely all had the cash laying around in their bank accounts to pay for the courses he was promising. Obviously a very different thing.

I'd say there's a slight difference in the societal pressure (and cost) re: Trump university vs. accredited colleges and universities.

And that's not defending the absolute failure that was Trump U, but no one's told "hey you need to go to trump university to make anything out of yourself" whereas guidance/career counselors are swearing to that senior in high school that he better go to college next year or he'll end up an unemployed townie his whole life.

[ons]

Something like 3% of Black Americans were the descendants of slaves. My ancestry were busy on the boot making shoes and doing w/e else, they had absolutely nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow etc.

I'd be fascinated to see a source on this; my understanding was that for a significant percentage of black Americans genealogy is incredibly difficult to track due the lack of substantive records for black families during the 1800s and into the early 1900s.

Regardless, black people have been distinctively treated poorly in ways that substantively impact generational wealth through by both private and government bodies, especially around housing, education, healthcare, and social security, for well over a century following the end of slavery. It seems evident that black Americans have materially more difficult and shorter lives than white people in this country as a result of historic structural inequity. Helping alleviate those disparities seems good to me, but I'd always love to hear more elegant solutions than reparations.

[Gorilla]

I'd say there's a slight difference in the societal pressure (and cost) re: Trump university vs. accredited colleges and universities.

And that's not defending the absolute failure that was Trump U, but no one's told "hey you need to go to trump university to make anything out of yourself" whereas guidance/career counselors are swearing to that senior in high school that he better go to college next year or he'll end up an unemployed townie his whole life.

You'd say there's a "slight difference".
Trump and Trump U, make no mistake, are INDEFENSIBLE. A disgusting, immoral scam. A college degree and it's associated "societal pressure" exist, in part, because a degree statistically helps you earn more while working less in your lifetime.
Conversely, spending time and your money on Trump U and other types of gross, predatory scams result in 99.999% of "students" being fucked out of their money by a freaking piece of excrement. Trump knew it was a scam and a grift, because he is a grifter. Anyone who thinks otherwise is potentially more money in his pocket.

Guidance counselors  "swearing to that senior in high school that he better go to college next year or he'll end up an unemployed townie his whole life", first of all is an exaggeration (you know that), but again they would not be doing their job if they did not encourage goal of higher education.
And take a look at Trump U advertisements and similar scams if you don't think they make worse, ridiculously more unfounded, asinine, grandiose claims.

"No one's told 'hey you need to go to trump university to make anything out of yourself'".....yeah, except for tons of uneducated people who sadly trusted the greasy freak in the McDonald's commercial and the Apprentice.

Yes, the price is different, and a legitimate degree in this country could take years to pay off (if you didn't pull your red-blooded American bootstraps up and get a scholarship)....but that's better than being robbed of thousands of dollars for a bag of magic rat turds by the crackhead behind 7-11.  So we do agree, Trump U was an absolute failure. It was a failure at decency and honesty and was a middle finger cash-grab.