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« Reply #2205 on: May 04, 2017, 09:45:58 PM »
Yeah except sanders is a 1%er masquerading as a hippie liberal, not a good person, nice try though.


No he isn't. Not even remotely. Why do you think that being a socialist and being moderately wealthy are incompatible?
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« Reply #2206 on: May 05, 2017, 12:21:54 AM »
Sanders shoots for the moon on everything.  He will not live to see to the fruit of the seeds he has sown.  And he doesn't give a freak.  Yes, he's made some money, but he still looks like a homeless guy post makeover.  He's a good guy with a great mind and a big heart.

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« Reply #2207 on: May 05, 2017, 12:30:26 AM »
No he isn't. Not even remotely. Why do you think that being a socialist and being moderately wealthy are incompatible?
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« Reply #2208 on: May 05, 2017, 12:41:00 AM »
I mean in all serious discussion, why do poor white people vote for republicans?

Guns and abortion.

What if the Dems just took guns off the table.  Like never talk about gun rights and have photo ops at gun ranges.  Remove the NRA as a political issue.

The guns are already here.  They are not leaving anyway.  Totally let it go.

Now to abortion.  With guns out of the way the Dems could focus on healthy babies.  Maybe they convince Cletus that babies are more important than fetuses, and show Cletus that republicans dont give a excrement about babies or their mothers.

I have heard too many Trump supporters admit this administration is horrible, but when asked if they would vote for him again?

Yeah, cuz ma gunz.

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« Reply #2209 on: May 05, 2017, 12:37:02 PM »
No he isn't. Not even remotely. Why do you think that being a socialist and being moderately wealthy are incompatible?
Because we don't have actual socialists in the US so people have no frame of reference.

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« Reply #2210 on: May 05, 2017, 03:09:11 PM »
Because we don't have actual socialists in the US so people have no frame of reference.
Just because people believe every citizen deserves...

Military
Police
Firemen
Roads
Bridges
Education
Food
Water
Healthcare

They get labeled as socialist.  Notice republicans have no problem with the first 3, but the later 3 are far more important, sort of essential.

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« Reply #2211 on: May 05, 2017, 03:44:23 PM »
Just because people believe every citizen deserves...

Military
Police
Firemen
Roads
Bridges
Education
Food
Water
Healthcare

They get labeled as socialist.  Notice republicans have no problem with the first 3, but the later 3 are far more important, sort of essential.

I think a lot of Republicans think that when one new entitlement is given, people will become entitled and it will snowball to the point that every citizen will declare it their right to a personal butler.  Obviously I'm exaggerating and I'm not saying this is reasonable thinking, just saying people have that mentality.

BTW, as someone who has always leaned conservative, I have a heart and don't want to see anyone that is trying their best, the elderly and disabled, or children to suffer.  I don't claim to know what the best solution is for anything.  I would fail miserably as a politician.  That being said, one thing that burns me up to no end is to see people taking advantage of the system.  I know there are less people gaming the system than there are being legitimately helped by it, but I see it all the time and it pisses me off.  My wife works at a local health department and sees it all the time as well.  She freaking hates Trump, but is thoroughly pissed about these people.  People coming in on government assistance with high end clothes, newly done manicures, latest cell phones, etc.  It just makes it worse for people that need help.  I don't know what the solution for that is, but I want to falcon punch them when I see them.

I don't think this healthcare bill is the answer however.  Neither is Obamacare. 

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« Reply #2212 on: May 05, 2017, 03:54:30 PM »
I think a lot of Republicans think that when one new entitlement is given, people will become entitled and it will snowball to the point that every citizen will declare it their right to a personal butler.  Obviously I'm exaggerating and I'm not saying this is reasonable thinking, just saying people have that mentality.

BTW, as someone who has always leaned conservative, I have a heart and don't want to see anyone that is trying their best, the elderly and disabled, or children to suffer.  I don't claim to know what the best solution is for anything.  I would fail miserably as a politician.  That being said, one thing that burns me up to no end is to see people taking advantage of the system.  I know there are less people gaming the system than there are being legitimately helped by it, but I see it all the time and it pisses me off.  My wife works at a local health department and sees it all the time as well.  She freaking hates Trump, but is thoroughly pissed about these people.  People coming in on government assistance with high end clothes, newly done manicures, latest cell phones, etc.  It just makes it worse for people that need help.  I don't know what the solution for that is, but I want to falcon punch them when I see them.

I don't think this healthcare bill is the answer however.  Neither is Obamacare.
That is fair, but numbers don't lie.

For every person on welfare you see with nice clothes and a manicure, because god forbid they want a little self respect, there are 10,000 needy people that use the system as intended.

It's the same with the ACA.  For every red state with a cunty governor that wants it to fail, hurting his constituents in the process, there 10 states where it is working just fine.

Every sad story the republicans trot out is a joke.  Those same people would not be covered under Trumpcare.  A list that would include 30-40 million losing health care under the new bill.  I know the March number was 24 million, but this bill is far more terrifying.

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« Reply #2213 on: May 05, 2017, 04:15:12 PM »
That is fair, but numbers don't lie.

For every person on welfare you see with nice clothes and a manicure, because god forbid they want a little self respect

I'm not talking about self-respect stuff.  You don't need the latest iphone for self-respect. That being said, I can't speak for how they came about nice things.  Maybe someone gave it to them, I don't know.  I'm talking about people not working because they'd rather have less money and be lazy than have a little more, work, and need less assistance.

You are right, the majority of people are legitimately helped.   

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« Reply #2214 on: May 05, 2017, 04:19:21 PM »
I think a lot of Republicans think that when one new entitlement is given, people will become entitled and it will snowball to the point that every citizen will declare it their right to a personal butler.  Obviously I'm exaggerating and I'm not saying this is reasonable thinking, just saying people have that mentality.

BTW, as someone who has always leaned conservative, I have a heart and don't want to see anyone that is trying their best, the elderly and disabled, or children to suffer.  I don't claim to know what the best solution is for anything.  I would fail miserably as a politician.  That being said, one thing that burns me up to no end is to see people taking advantage of the system.  I know there are less people gaming the system than there are being legitimately helped by it, but I see it all the time and it pisses me off.  My wife works at a local health department and sees it all the time as well.  She freaking hates Trump, but is thoroughly pissed about these people.  People coming in on government assistance with high end clothes, newly done manicures, latest cell phones, etc.  It just makes it worse for people that need help.  I don't know what the solution for that is, but I want to falcon punch them when I see them.

I don't think this healthcare bill is the answer however.  Neither is Obamacare. 

I grew up lower-middle-class in a very blue collar neighborhood. I'll never forget standing on line at the supermarket when a woman in a fur coat in front of me in line paid for her food with food stamps. And when she opened her wallet, it was stuffed with cash.

It was infuriating as someone who was buying food in the supermarket because both my parents were working their asses off to pay the bills so I had to do the shopping (I was in either Jr. high or high school at the time).

I definitely hate when people abuse the system.

At the same time, I've seen first-hand that many people on public assistance of some kind need it.

I agree that neither this bill nor the ACA are the answer. And I also firmly believe the answer in this country isn't as simple as "Let's just go single-payer." But the problem is: one side is, and has been, unwilling to work on a bipartisan solution that actually serves the populace.

Obama spent 8 years going on TV in front of the nation and saying "If you've got a better idea, present it and let's work on it." And he was ignored.
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« Reply #2215 on: May 05, 2017, 04:42:22 PM »
So what exactly is wrong with the Senate redoing Obamacare? There's still going to be a health plan and there will have to be concessions on both sides. If anything, the Senate process should make it better.
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« Reply #2216 on: May 05, 2017, 04:49:02 PM »
So what exactly is wrong with the Senate redoing Obamacare? There's still going to be a health plan and there will have to be concessions on both sides. If anything, the Senate process should make it better.

I do think it can only get better in the Senate.  That isn't saying a lot, but still.

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« Reply #2217 on: May 05, 2017, 04:56:16 PM »
I do think it can only get better in the Senate.  That isn't saying a lot, but still.

Yeah, I don't get the outrage. Obamacare is failing, and insurance companies are leaving it left and right. Why not make it better? Obamacare was rushed. Let's take our time.
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« Reply #2218 on: May 05, 2017, 07:07:26 PM »
I don't think this healthcare bill is the answer however.  Neither is Obamacare.

Of course not. The question is how many permutations of excrement are they willing to drag us through before we ever get to single payer.

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« Reply #2219 on: May 05, 2017, 07:08:11 PM »
Yeah, I don't get the outrage. Obamacare is failing, and insurance companies are leaving it left and right. Why not make it better? Obamacare was rushed. Let's take our time.

Because they aren't making it better and some people don't have years to spare waiting to be covered again.

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