U.S. Politics

[Tommy]

Reagan was not the worst president by any means, but even your simple google searches should give you something to understand why I do not care for him.

He gets a ton of credit for toppling the Soviet Union.  He was in the right place at the right time when Gorbachev came along.  He didn't screw it up.  Kuddos.

Meanwhile, he waged proxy wars in the middle east.  He trained and armed Bin Laden.  He went all in on Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Let's not even get started on Iran/Contra.  The man should have been impeached.

He created he who dies with the most toys wins.  Not the actual saying, but the mentality.

His wife started the war on drugs, which targeted black men smoking pot, while white business men were doing enough coke to fund the entire Escobar regime.  While he supported for profit prisons to keep the pot smokers in.

He changed regulations and tax policies to make the rich become ultra rich, and maybe he truly thought the extra revenue would go to the middle class.  History tells us how that worked out.  Unions crushed, right to work states, our middle class decimated.

The more I dig, the more I might have to alter the first line of this post.

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WTF is this block of excrement? You're just spewing talking points from the Left. You're a shill for them whether you think so or not. You're not making an ounce of sense, and your mind has clearly been made up years ago and will never change. It's absolutely pointless to argue your points, as you'll immediately dismiss them as fast as you embrace political bukkake like this. freak off. I'm done talking politics with you. And anyone for that matter. I'm going to stick to the Jets and other excrement. As Bo mentioned numerous times, this is pointless.

[Jumbo]

WTF is this block of excrement? You're just spewing talking points from the Left. You're a shill for them whether you think so or not. You're not making an ounce of sense, and your mind has clearly been made up years ago and will never change. It's absolutely pointless to argue your points, as you'll immediately dismiss them as fast as you embrace political bukkake like this. freak off. I'm done talking politics with you. And anyone for that matter. I'm going to stick to the Jets and other excrement. As Bo mentioned numerous times, this is pointless.

See you back in this thread tomorrow!

[sg3]

When KellyAnne is led out of the WH in handcuffs and then convicted, Tommyanne will still be ready, willing and able to defend TRAITOR TRUMP

[Miamipuck]

See you back in this thread tomorrow!

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[MBGreen]

Tommy cracked like an egg. 

[Heismanberg]

"politcal bukkake"

[bojanglesman]

Rick's?

[steves850]

"politcal bukkake"

lmao I'm going to borrow this.

[Badger]

The Kochs are pledging cash support to Republicans who vote against the AHCA since they're being threatened with primary competitors if they don't fall in line and vote for the turd. Not so much because the bill is horrible, but because it's not the full repeal that was promised.

So basically they're using bad means (unlimited political contibutions) to do a good thing (defeat the AHCA) for bad reasons (full repeal of ACA).

[Fenwyr]

WTF is this block of excrement? You're just spewing talking points from the Left. You're a shill for them whether you think so or not. You're not making an ounce of sense, and your mind has clearly been made up years ago and will never change. It's absolutely pointless to argue your points, as you'll immediately dismiss them as fast as you embrace political bukkake like this. freak off. I'm done talking politics with you. And anyone for that matter. I'm going to stick to the Jets and other excrement. As Bo mentioned numerous times, this is pointless.

Refute a single thing I said.  These are not talking points.  These are facts that  I learned over time.

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[Fenwyr]

The Kochs are pledging cash support to Republicans who vote against the AHCA since they're being threatened with primary competitors if they don't fall in line and vote for the turd. Not so much because the bill is horrible, but because it's not the full repeal that was promised.

So basically they're using bad means (unlimited political contibutions) to do a good thing (defeat the AHCA) for bad reasons (full repeal of ACA).

Crazy world it is.

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[bojanglesman]

The Kochs are pledging cash support to Republicans who vote against the AHCA since they're being threatened with primary competitors if they don't fall in line and vote for the turd. Not so much because the bill is horrible, but because it's not the full repeal that was promised.

So basically they're using bad means (unlimited political contibutions) to do a good thing (defeat the AHCA) for bad reasons (full repeal of ACA).

Yep.  I feel like Democrats will celebrate when this thing doesn't pass (and it won't unless there are some big last minute changes to it), but they really shouldn't because the next one that one that comes along will be even more extreme to Democrats.  Like you said, this one will get rejected because it isn't conservative enough, not because fiscal conservatives had a change of heart.

[Badger]

Yep.  I feel like Democrats will celebrate when this thing doesn't pass (and it won't unless there are some big last minute changes to it), but they really shouldn't because the next one that one that comes along will be even more extreme to Democrats.  Like you said, this one will get rejected because it isn't conservative enough, not because fiscal conservatives had a change of heart.

The thing is they can't pass a sufficiently conservative healthcare law without totally freaking up their voter base and getting ousted in their next election.

Something's gotta give.

[dcm1602]

Refute a single thing I said.  These are not talking points.  These are facts that  I learned over time.

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While I'm not interested in spending my time researching and refuting your points, I think it's pretty clear that very little said on this thread is "facts" and your extremely biased "moderate" gibberish is no different

[dcm1602]

The thing is they can't pass a sufficiently conservative healthcare law without totally freaking up their voter base and getting ousted in their next election.

Something's gotta give.

I think that's true, but historically anyone who tried to reform healthcare has gotten absolutely crushed for it. Obamacare is failing majorly, and being associated with it hurts the left. And unfortunately for the Republicans they can't just repeal it and do nothing, which is their preference