U.S. Politics

[d sw0rdz]

really just read a headline that said 'EPA chief pruitt doesn't believe CO2 is a primary contributor to global warming'




GOD

FVUCKING

DAMMIT

[Badger]

really just read a headline that said 'EPA chief pruitt doesn't believe CO2 is a primary contributor to global warming'




GOD

FVUCKING

DAMMIT

Time to play "Stupid or Liar"

[Derek Smalls]

To be fair, if you don't believe in global warming, nothing would be a primary contributor to global warming.

You would hope that one of those people wouldn't be the head of the EPA, but welcome to Trumpland!

[Fenwyr]

To be fair, if you don't believe in global warming, nothing would be a primary contributor to global warming.

You would hope that one of those people wouldn't be the head of the EPA, but welcome to Trumpland!

Its all good.  Tommy can explain.

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[AlioTheFool]

We have an Education Secretary that believes guns belong in schools to protect against bear attacks. We have an FCC Chief who thinks Net Neutrality is bad. We have national security advisers who are in bed with Russia.

And people are shocked by an EPA head who denies the cause of climate change? Despite the fact that climate change denial is the official position of the administration?

[d sw0rdz]

We have an Education Secretary that believes guns belong in schools to protect against bear attacks. We have an FCC Chief who thinks Net Neutrality is bad. We have national security advisers who are in bed with Russia.

And people are shocked by an EPA head who denies the cause of climate change? Despite the fact that climate change denial is the official position of the administration?

i am not shocked, i am fed up and done with this administration, as i have been for a long time

[AlioTheFool]

i am not shocked, i am fed up and done with this administration, as i have been for a long time

Honestly that was a highly sarcastic post to point out the absolute ridiculousness of the "drain the swamp" mantra nonsense.

Sure, Trump eliminated the administration members beholden to the lobbyists. He simply cut out all the middle men and gave the jobs directly to the lobbyers.

I'm with you. I'm done with even feigning benefit of the doubt. This guy is hot garbage.

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[Badger]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-health-plan-would-hit-rural-areas-hard-1489364405

Edit: Article is suddenly behind a paywall, but you can read the whole thing if you Google the headline and open it from there.

[Tommy]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-health-plan-would-hit-rural-areas-hard-1489364405

Edit: Article is suddenly behind a paywall, but you can read the whole thing if you Google the headline and open it from there.

Rural regions' higher premiums are driven partly by a population that tends to be sicker and require costlier care, with higher rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and heart disease, said April Todd, an executive at consulting firm Avalere Health, a unit of Inovalon Inc. Also, insurers often struggle to win price concessions from health-care providers who have few competitors, she said. "Given that they're the only hospital, you don't have a lot of negotiating leverage."

The analysis ignores one of the key parts of the new bill, which tackles this very problem. Allowing people in rural areas to buy insurance registered in different states, which would allow those in rural areas more options.

[Johnny English]

The analysis ignores one of the key parts of the new bill, which tackles this very problem. Allowing people in rural areas to buy insurance registered in different states, which would allow those in rural areas more options.

Surely those out of state insurers are going to have the same problem though, or are you suggesting that people will have to go out of state to get treatment?

[Fenwyr]

Surely those out of state insurers are going to have the same problem though, or are you suggesting that people will have to go out of state to get treatment?

It's not going to matter.  Without subsidies or expanded medicaid most rural folks will never be able to afford health care anyway.

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[Johnny English]

It's not going to matter.  Without subsidies or expanded medicaid most rural folks will never be able to afford health care anyway.

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That may be so, but I was addressing Tommy's specific point which as far as I can tell (and I fully admit to my ignorance of much of the US health system) doesn't help with the issue of a lack of competing healthcare providers in rural regions resulting in higher costs to insurers and thus (presumably) higher premiums.

[Tommy]

Surely those out of state insurers are going to have the same problem though, or are you suggesting that people will have to go out of state to get treatment?

I'll admit that I don't know enough about the proposed plan to answer this question. Didn't have time to actually take a closer look at the document, so give me a few days.

[Fenwyr]

I'll admit that I don't know enough about the proposed plan to answer this question. Didn't have time to actually take a closer look at the document, so give me a few days.

Well, that puts you in the same boat as most republicans in congress that have no choice but to vote for this dumpster fire.  Why bother reading it?

The TLDR version of the bill is 15 million will lose health care while the uber rich will get uber richer.

Shocking, I know.

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[Tommy]

Well, that puts you in the same boat as most republicans in congress that have no choice but to vote for this dumpster fire.  Why bother reading it?

The TLDR version of the bill is 15 million will lose health care while the uber rich will get uber richer.

Shocking, I know.

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I know proponents of Obamacare like to throw that number around, but that was the main point of the tax penalty for not having insurance. The mandate artificially increases the number of insured so those people who would otherwise opt out essentially had to get insurance. Now does that mean all 20 million are in that category? No, but a good majority are. Some people would rather have the extra cash. It's an obvious risk, but having a government mandate isn't cool.