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« Reply #810 on: June 26, 2015, 01:32:51 PM »
Love or hate the guy, but Obama is having the best week ever.

Apparently all us fags can get married now.

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« Reply #811 on: June 26, 2015, 01:33:58 PM »
That threat is a horrendously bad idea.  This should be the impetus on both sides to fully extricate the church from the state and political influence.  That includes maintenance of tax exempt status.  This is one more way in which churches should want to separate themselves entirely.

They already have enormous political power, so I fail to see your point.

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« Reply #812 on: June 26, 2015, 01:44:54 PM »

They already have enormous political power, so I fail to see your point.

...that was my point.  Your argument is that to fix the issue of churches interfering with politics and attempting to influence the government, we should force them to take part in gay marriage or remove their tax exempt status.  How in the world does that improve the situation?  Who does that benefit in any way?

With gay marriage now legal everywhere, and with zero chance of getting enough states to approve an amendment to the Constitution banning it, it's the time to use this as the impetus to remove churches from the political process.  Keep your tax exempt status and extricate yourself from the political process so you don't get muddied up by the taint of immorality as law.

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« Reply #813 on: June 26, 2015, 01:46:30 PM »
...that was my point.  Your argument is that to fix the issue of churches interfering with politics and attempting to influence the government, we should force them to take part in gay marriage or remove their tax exempt status.  How in the world does that improve the situation?  Who does that benefit in any way?

With gay marriage now legal everywhere, and with zero chance of getting enough states to approve an amendment to the Constitution banning it, it's the time to use this as the impetus to remove churches from the political process.  Keep your tax exempt status and extricate yourself from the political process so you don't get muddied up by the taint of immorality as law.

OK, that makes total sense now.

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« Reply #814 on: June 26, 2015, 02:55:43 PM »
I feel like that was one of the main reasons the Christian conservatives became so influential in the Republican Party over the last 20 years. Gay marriage wasn't seriously considered before, so there was nothing besides abortion that Christian conservatives could scream about.
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« Reply #815 on: June 26, 2015, 03:40:40 PM »

I feel like that was one of the main reasons the Christian conservatives became so influential in the Republican Party over the last 20 years. Gay marriage wasn't seriously considered before, so there was nothing besides abortion that Christian conservatives could scream about.

You forgot willful ignorance and distrust of science.

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« Reply #816 on: June 26, 2015, 03:45:40 PM »
You forgot willful ignorance and distrust of science.

Gay marriage has already set the next natural disaster in motion.

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« Reply #817 on: June 26, 2015, 03:53:04 PM »

You forgot willful ignorance and distrust of science.

My point was that until gay marriage became an issue the Christian conservatives weren't as loud. The defense of marriage act was only signed 19 years ago with overwhelming support on both sides.
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« Reply #818 on: June 26, 2015, 04:02:36 PM »
My point was that until gay marriage became an issue the Christian conservatives weren't as loud. The defense of marriage act was only signed 19 years ago with overwhelming support on both sides.

I think the information age makes every group seem louder.

They were making a pretty big deal out of song lyrics in the '80s and '90s.

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« Reply #819 on: June 26, 2015, 04:26:26 PM »
I think the information age makes every group seem louder.

They were making a pretty big deal out of song lyrics in the '80s and '90s.

And saying kids who played D&D actively worshiped the devil and cast black magic.
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« Reply #820 on: June 26, 2015, 05:28:24 PM »
And saying kids who played D&D actively worshiped the devil and cast black magic.

Yeah, what about it?

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« Reply #821 on: June 26, 2015, 05:51:20 PM »
Me and my girlfriend broke up, just in time for gay marriage to be legalized

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« Reply #822 on: June 26, 2015, 06:03:21 PM »
Me and my girlfriend broke up, just in time for gay marriage to be legalized
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« Reply #823 on: June 26, 2015, 06:20:16 PM »

This is actually a good point.

Let's make a deal with churches...  Give up your tax exempt status and you don't have to marry 2 of your gay members.

Relevant http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/schools-fear-impact-of-gay-marriage-ruling-on-tax-status.html?_r=0

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