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Can someone move some of the posts from the MJD thread to here?
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hahaha....Andrew Brandt called them "Reggie and the Rejects"
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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2014, 08:37:37 PM »
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The Raiders issue wasn't paying these guys and front loading contracts.
It was the fact that they're acting like a win now team, rather than a team that needs a serious rebuild.
With Denver, chiefs, and the Chargers around they shouldve been getting young guys longer deals to get them on more of a favorable position in a few years.
Almost like what Idzik is doing here.
Focusing on the draft, and young free agents.
And only using older guys when they're very cheap and short term low guarantee deals
That's pretty much the same thing i was saying.
However, to be somewhat fair to McKenzie, i forgot they traded away a bunch of their 2012 picks before he got there. So he really only had last year's draft and whatever this year's yield. Trading a pick for Matt Flynn (and Schaub) and the Tyler Wilson draft pick reinforce that he's an idiot though. And all you have to do is hear him speak to know that. He sounds like a future CTE specimen
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« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2014, 11:13:34 PM »
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The penalty for the cap floor is weird, after four years the team has to pay the current players whatever they're short. Big freaking deal.
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« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2014, 11:17:27 PM »
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The penalty for the cap floor is weird, after four years the team has to pay the current players whatever they're short. Big freaking deal.
It's not horrible but as a fan it'd be such a waste of the cap. Instead kf signing a FA or re-signing your own you end up just giving money away
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« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2014, 03:47:52 PM »
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MJD signed with Oakland.
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Re: Jets to meet with MJD: **Update - signs with Oakland
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2014, 03:50:54 PM »
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If both McFadden and Jones-Drew stay healthy, their rushing attack will be alright.
I expect Schaub to be a god at checking the ball down. Nobody will be blocking for him.
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Re: Jets to meet with MJD: **Update - signs with Oakland
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2014, 04:04:30 PM »
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Do the raiders officially have the oldest team in the league yet?
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« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2014, 04:17:55 PM »
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Do the raiders officially have the oldest team in the league yet?
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Source confirms that Rich Gannon is coming out of retirement to rejoin the Oakland Raiders.
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« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2014, 07:35:03 PM »
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The Oldland Raiders
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« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2014, 09:36:33 PM »
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Is he addicted to losing?
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Re: Jets to meet with MJD: **Update - signs with Oakland
« Reply #67 on: Today at 03:00:33 PM »
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Maurice Jones-Drew's three-year contract with Oakland has a base value of $7.5 million with $1.2 million guaranteed.
The only guaranteed portion is Jones-Drew's 2014 base salary of $1.2 million. There was no signing bonus, and MJD could be released next offseason with no ramification on the Raiders' cap. It's telling that Jones-Drew couldn't do better than this on the market. Oakland now has him "locked up" through age 31.
Wow, I would have been fine beating that number.
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Not a fan of old RBs.
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So it turns out, Italian Seafood was right an everyone can go freak themselves.
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Not a fan of old RBs.
I don't think anyone is, but being in a RBBC lessens the impact and allows an older RB to last a little longer.
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Not a fan of old RBs.
Neither am I, but MJD at what is essentially a one-year deal for the vet minimum? Heismanberg pointed out that he's been one of the best pass protecting backs in the league for years. He could have been exactly what LT was for us.
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Neither am I, but MJD at what is essentially a one-year deal for the vet minimum? Heismanberg pointed out that he's been one of the best pass protecting backs in the league for years. He could have been exactly what LT was for us.
I would have been ok with him but I'm not upset we didn't get him either.
Also, I think LT was a way better player overall.
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Re: Jets to meet with MJD: **Update - signs with Oakland
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I would have been ok with him but I'm not upset we didn't get him either.
Also, I think LT was a way better player overall.
Yeah, LT was one of the five best backs in the history of football.
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« Reply #73 on: Today at 05:12:54 PM »
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LaDainian Tomlinson signing for us made me deliriously happy. One of my all time favourite players in the game.
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Neither am I, but MJD at what is essentially a one-year deal for the vet minimum? Heismanberg pointed out that he's been one of the best pass protecting backs in the league for years. He could have been exactly what LT was for us.
we signed LT when we were contenders.
MJD would merely be a stopgap player while we rebuild. But at that figure, hard to believe we didn't bring him in if we were interested.
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I wish we had an lolraiders thread.
they're bringing in 33 year old Carlos Rogers for a visit
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I wish we had an lolraiders thread.
they're bringing in 33 year old Carlos Rogers for a visit
For a vet minimum contract he wouldn't be a horrible one year deal
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Half their freaking team are over the hill vets on one year deals. That's hilariously stupid.
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Half their freaking team are over the hill vets on one year deals. That's hilariously stupid.
Raiders in "win know" mode with weak Broncos and Chiefs about to crumble. MJD might brake 2000 yards behind raiders new look oline (lmao thx for Howard jest fans).
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Oakland is all in to be 8-8.
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Raiders in "win know" mode with weak Broncos and Chiefs about to crumble. MJD might brake 2000 yards behind raiders new look oline (lmao thx for Howard jest fans).
Well if Peyton wins a ring and retires after this year, Oakland could very well be a top 3 team in their division
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Raiders in "win know" mode with weak Broncos and Chiefs about to crumble. MJD might brake 2000 yards behind raiders new look oline (lmao thx for Howard jest fans).
Not even sure Jeaux would type those words of insanity.
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Well if Peyton wins a ring and retires after this year, Oakland could very well be a top 3 team in their division
Brock the rooster disagrees
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Well if Peyton wins a ring and retires after this year, Oakland could very well be a top 3 team in their division
In two years from now, most of their players would be in retirement homes
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In two years from now, most of their players would be in retirement homes
Will they also be trolling the weather thread?
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Andddddd...Carlos Rogers is a Raider.
I love that organization.
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Andddddd...Carlos Rogers is a Raider.
I love that organization.
That's amazing
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« Reply #87 on: Today at 09:07:13 PM »
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Baffled. They are dead-set on being competitive in 2014, and 2014 alone.
The tragedy is that they're still getting steamrolled on paper with their roster.
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« Reply #88 on: Today at 09:11:18 PM »
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i made an lolraiders thread. can a mod move those posts there?
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hahahaha
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Well, now I don't feel obligated to move them. Thanks Reuben!
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Al Davis cuts his own hair with a flowbee.
Gotta save money to pay a bunch of washed up vets
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Al Davis cuts his own hair with a flowbee.
Pretty sure his hair is dead
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Pretty sure his hair is dead
Doesn't the hair keep growing, or is that just a myth?
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Doesn't the hair keep growing, or is that just a myth?
Al Davis cuts his own hair with a flowbee.
Gotta save money to pay a bunch of washed up vets
Pretty sure his hair is dead
Let's get somebody batshit crazy enough to dig him up. Hey DCM where are you?
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Mark Davis, i meant.
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Mark Davis, i meant.
Look what you've done.
dcm is about to become a necromancer because of your mistake.
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His soul is already trapped in the body of Reggie McKenzie
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Carlos Rogers signed
7 FA 30 or older rofl
They're fielding a nursing home
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Profootballtalk.com reports the Raiders are leery about signing free agent DeSean Jackson.
GM Reggie McKenzie is reportedly worried about Jackson's reputation as a me-first player who can't be controlled. And considering the Raiders could be in for another long season of piling up losses, it might not be the best idea to have Jackson around throwing a fit. Jackson seems destined to land with the Redskins. He'll continue his visit with Washington on Tuesday.
They're just dragging out the process so DeSean will be a few days older when they finally sign him.
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They're just dragging out the process so DeSean will be a few days older when they finally sign him.
Hahahahahha
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000338987/article/mjd-raiders-can-definitely-get-to-super-bowl-with-schaub-at-qb
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000338987/article/mjd-raiders-can-definitely-get-to-super-bowl-with-schaub-at-qb
They could get the entire team to the SB, but it would be awful expensive to buy 53 tickets, not to mention tix for the coaching staff.
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The raiders really wish this was the year Brandon Weeden came out
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The raiders really wish this was the year Brandon Weeden came out
Have you been thinking that one up for the past few days?
Also, hahaha.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Tony Sparano will be named interim Raiders head coach today, per @JimTrotter_NFL.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn171/Axman50/motivator904298850f38eb4c8f2ef58231.jpg?t=1264648909)
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I have too many friends that are Raiders fans that are going to be severely depressed by this franchise for a long time.
Here's to hoping the Niners are right behind them...
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Tony Sparano will be named interim Raiders head coach today, per @JimTrotter_NFL.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn171/Axman50/motivator904298850f38eb4c8f2ef58231.jpg?t=1264648909)
wow that still exists
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And it's still not actually a palindrome.
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wow that still exists
type "Raiders theganggreen.com NDMick" into Google, and it will appear.
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And it's still not actually a palindrome.
54245 is
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1112141211 isn't though.
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Jim Trotter @JimTrotter_NFL
The Raiders are planning a 2 pm presser to name Tony Sparano interim coach, according to multiple team sources.
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1112141211 isn't though.
Then stop perceiving it incorrectly.
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Then stop perceiving it incorrectly.
I'm just reading what's there.
Is it Pick On JE Day today? STOP BULLYING ME.
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Troy Machir @TroyMachir
Since 1995, the Raiders have basically changed head coaches every 30.8 games.
Longest tenure was Gruden with 4 seasons.
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McKenzie is a genius " in order to championships you must win games"
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24733479/ex-nfl-mvp-rich-gannon-raiders-personnel-are-stealing-paychecks
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Why have we not had a Raiders Hard Knocks? That would be so much fun.
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Why have we not had a Raiders Hard Knocks? That would be so much fun.
Because no one wants to hear their GM talk for more than 5 seconds.
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It would be considerably more interesting than listening to Mike Smith and Matt Ryan, who are the football world's answer to Mogadon.
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MJD had 96 yards rushing this year. Total. They signed him to a 3 yr, $7.5 million contract.
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And many lols were enjoyed around the nation.
Chris Mortensen @mortreport 3m3 minutes ago
As Jack Del Rio interviews in Oakland today, many Raiders still strongly support Tony Sparano after experiencing his leadership
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Either way, can't go right.
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"experiencing his leadership" sounds cult-y.
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(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4011487/tony-sparano-o.gif)
He looks like he is ready to go to Jonestown:
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Nobody buries a football like Tony Sparano.
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http://deadspin.com/mark-davis-travels-500-freaking-miles-to-look-like-that-1734022886
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Taylor Mays tryna get cut by every team.
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Not really the right place for this, but still: how have I never seen this before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facVh75-vW4
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You should really label that NSFW, nobody should be allowed to see bucket porn.
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Not really the right place for this, but still: how have I never seen this before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facVh75-vW4
Wow. This made my day .
I lost it when they did a breakdown on the actual bucket
Lol
23.5 lbs 3rd year in the league lol
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http://deadspin.com/connor-cooks-dad-seems-to-be-a-big-shithead-1775008134
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I can't believe that he's still relevant. How many times does a guy need to crash and burn before you say "he sucks?"
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http://deadspin.com/connor-cooks-dad-seems-to-be-a-big-shithead-1775008134
I loved that.
It literally explains everything.
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I can't believe that he's still relevant. How many times does a guy need to crash and burn before you say "he sucks?"
Do you think Connor Shaw and Connor Cooks are the same person?
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Do you think Connor Shaw and Connor Cooks are the same person?
I think it's a delayed reaction to the Sparano posts.
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Probably doesn't deserve it's own thread quite yet but
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oak.247sports.com/Bolt/Oakland-Raiders-file-for-Las-Vegas-Raiders-trademark-46957940/Amp?client=ms-android-verizon
Sounds like the Raiders are getting closer to be moving to Vegas
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Not really a LOL at all, but the Raiders added Ishmael Zamora and Pharaoh Brown in FA. Apparently they were not happy with their recent renaissance and wanted to recapture their essential cuntiness.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/oakland-raiders-surprisingly-cut-punter-marquette-king-205523265.html
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He's a damn good punter. I think we're fine with Edwards, but I have no idea why they cut him unless his backup is the next Shane Lechler or something. They saved maybe $2 million.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/oakland-raiders-surprisingly-cut-punter-marquette-king-205523265.html
Yes please
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He's a damn good punter. I think we're fine with Edwards, but I have no idea why they cut him unless his backup is the next Shane Lechler or something. They saved maybe $2 million.
Negative. King > Edwards all day long
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Not really sure why you hate Lachlan Edwards so much. He was solid in 2017.
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Not really sure why you hate Lachlan Edwards so much. He was solid in 2017.
Lach Edwards is secretly Ryan Quigley.
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hahaha:
Jon Gruden reportedly disliked Marquette King’s personality, not his punting (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jon-gruden-reportedly-disliked-marquette-180645040.html)
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hahaha:
Jon Gruden reportedly disliked Marquette King’s personality, not his punting (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jon-gruden-reportedly-disliked-marquette-180645040.html)
At first I was like "WTF Gruden?!"
But a punter who got personal foul penalties in back-to-back games? We freak out over Pennel's flags. The punter's only the field a handful of snaps a game!
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Ex-Raiders OLB Aldon Smith blew 0.40 in a breathalyzer after his most recent arrest.
It was five times the legal limit in California. Smith was blackout drunk when he showed up to the San Francisco Sherrif's Office last week to be fitted for a GPS and alcohol-based monitoring system. Smith turns 29 later this year.
Fuckin hell, Smitty.
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1024063308347912193?s=19
Jon Gruden: Our defense wasn't good last year, even with Khalil Mack https://t.co/pEzehQtpR7
Step 1: Call Raiders
Step 2: Give them all the picks for Mack
Step 3: Give Mack all the moneys
Step 4: Kill Brady until he's dead.
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I think the Raiders are just going to wait out the Mack thing as long as possible. I think he'll be fine to come in with relatively little camp time. I think the deadline is the start of the season, so it'll be quiet until that gets closer. I doubt he'll get traded. They aren't going to let him go without a huge haul.
He's 27 years old, the Raiders may be fine with just tagging him for 2 years and letting him walk at age 30.
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Boner scenario: Derek Carr gets hurt. Jets trade Teddy, a 3rd and 5th rounder to the Raiders for Khalil Mack.
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Boner scenario: Derek Carr gets hurt. Jets trade Teddy, a 3rd and 5th rounder to the Raiders for Khalil Mack.
I don't root for injuries, and I really like Carr so I definitely wouldn't wish anything bad on him, but that would be an incredible scenario for the Jets.
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i've been thinking about it - the only way a team will give up a lot in return for teddy isn't if they have some freak injury to their guy...yeah, in that situation they may be interested in trading for teddy as a place holder but why invest a ton of draft capital in another qb when they already have the answer at QB already? it's just too wasteful/expensive
the only way a team will give us a huge haul in return is if they are WITHOUT 'the guy' at QB and they think teddy is that guy. he had a fair amount of success in his year prior to the injury and was a pro bowler. he is now proving to be healthy and is showing out with a very decent preseason, and is arguably the front runner in our qb competition.
a guy like jimmy G was young, sat behind tom brady, and showed well in practices and in a handful of spot starts over the past few years. this was enough to get the 49ers to trade a 2nd round pick to the patriots, because they were without a QB and believed this was their guy. garoppolo was similarly on the last year of his deal winding down, ultimately signing an extension to stay with the team, and the 49ers had no problem trading for him cold during the middle of the season.
bo, i know i'd said i see no way a team gives up something like a 2nd for him, and i still believe that to be the case, but i do hope you're right. the only way i see a team give up something like a 2nd rd pick for him either during preseason or during the year, for a guy that will be a free agent in the upcoming year, is if a team is without a franchise QB but believes teddy can be THAT guy for them at QB. it won't be a team who has shitty luck and loses their franchise QB for a little bit that gives us something like that in return. it'll be a team who doesn't have that guy in place already but believes teddy could be that guy.
if this occurs and and we miraculously end up with something like a 2nd for teddy, we'd be in amazing shape. i think at that point we'd have to consider giving up a 1st round pick for khalil mack and seeing if that's enough to entice the raiders. it would solve our pass rush issue instantaneously. we could then use our 2nd round pick for the best OL we could find, and then our 3rd rounder doubling down on another OL, or trying to find a good young RB, as the way the nfl has trended with the position over the past few years has meant that there is absolutely amazing value to be found at the RB position in the 2nd-3rd rounds.
if we pull off something like this and hit with those picks, we'd have filled our biggest holes and put the organization and sam in an amazing position to achieve something. this is all a pipe dream and if something similar occurs, i will jerk off. i don't see a team giving us something very high for TB unless they want him as their franchise guy, we can only hope that this ends up being the case for TB during his time as a jet.
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The Pats reportedly took less for Jimmy G to get him to the Niners. There were reports they had better offers. No idea went Teddy's value would be in comparison. That said if a team is jammed up by an injury, a 2nd isn't a big ask for a guy that could potentially be a decent starter.
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This seems to be missing something......
https://news3lv.com/news/stadium-latest/new-raiders-stadium-parking-plan-offers-spots-in-multiple-locations
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This seems to be missing something......
https://news3lv.com/news/stadium-latest/new-raiders-stadium-parking-plan-offers-spots-in-multiple-locations
This is a moneygrab. You have to spend your money on their booze.
Unless you just do what I would do and get obliterated in your hotel room and then show up just before kickoff
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After that Donald deal, the tide may have changed toward the Raiders trading Mack. They can't afford that much. The price tag will be higher next year. Weird situation.
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Florio sucks and all, but he summarized things pretty well here about Mack.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/31/what-does-aaron-donalds-deal-mean-for-khalil-mack/
The last two defensive players of the year, both a year away from the expiration of their rookie deals, held out. Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald has gotten paid, a lot. Raiders defensive tackle Khalil Mack hasn’t, yet.
Eventually, he will. With the “how much” issue now set by Donald, the only remaining question is, “By whom?”
Some continue to believe that Mack and the Raiders were waiting for Donald to get a deal done before finishing their own contract. Perhaps the more accurate reality is that the four teams that are seriously exploring a trade for Mack now know what it will take to get Mack, setting the stage for a deal to be done as soon as this weekend.
This isn’t a report or a prediction that a trade is coming. It’s simply an analysis of the circumstances. The Donald deal gives the Raiders clarity regarding what it will take to sign Mack, perhaps allowing them to realize that they just need to move on, especially since Mack’s resolve will now be strengthened by the knowledge of what his ultimate financial reward will be. The Donald deal also gives a potential suitors the information necessary to know what it takes to sign Mack, if an agreement can be reached with the Raiders for compensation.
So keep your eyes open this weekend for potential news that someone has struck a deal with the Raiders for Mack, and in return has struck a deal with Mack for a contract very similar to Donald.
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1035602192743292930?s=19
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1035602192743292930?s=19
It would be nice to see what Leo could do without a double team.
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It's beginning to sound like Mack getting traded is inevitable. The only question is to whom.
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It's beginning to sound like Mack getting traded is inevitable. The only question is to whom.
The New York football Jets
You heard it here first
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It's beginning to sound like Mack getting traded is inevitable. The only question is to whom.
I really didn't think so at first, but I can't imagine Mack and the Raiders all of a sudden agreeing to a deal and it doesn't sound like he's just going to show up week 1 if he knows he could get traded to another team and get a mountain of money.
If you were him, and you heard all these teams calling the Raiders, each of which is ready to back up the Brinks truck for you, why would you even think about showing up on your current deal?
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Rapsheet:
The #Raiders have been asking for 2 first-rounders during talks centered around star Khalil Mack... and the belief is they can get it, I’m told. It does lend context to Oakland’s decision to listen and potentially deal one of the best players in football.
Packers make all the sense in the world.
Only advantage the Jets would have is likely having a higher first round pick.
I guess Gruden is thinking Mack's prime would be wasted on a rebuilding team (reasonable).
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He's going to the Bears.
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I guess still having our 1st-round picks and a shitload of money to spend isn't a bad consolation prize.
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The raiders traded for AJ McCarron
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The raiders traded for AJ McCarron
But why?
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But why?
The Raiders cut Connor Cook...and Gruden is a known QB collector
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The Raiders cut Connor Cook...and Gruden is a known QB collector
Did not know they cut cook.
Poor McCaron dude thought he had a chance to start for the Bills, now he’s in Oakland to back up Carr for good
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Gruden in Oakland is starting to remind me of Phil in NY.
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Gruden in Oakland is starting to remind me of Phil in NY.
Hopefully it ends as well for them as it did the Knicks.
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Gruden in Oakland is starting to remind me of Phil in NY.
Worse
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Guy hasn’t even coached a game yet
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The Raiders cut Martavis Bryant, who they traded a third round pick for in April.
This is like going onto Madden, picking a team you hate and then doing everything you can to freak up their roster.
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The Raiders cut Martavis Bryant, who they traded a third round pick for in April.
This is like going onto Madden, picking a team you hate and then doing everything you can to freak up their roster.
Too be fair he is about to be suspended again
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Too be fair he is about to be suspended again
They should have been aware of how likely an outcome that would be before they traded for him.
He's already been suspended indefinitely once.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/02/jon-grudens-raiders-are-the-oldest-nfl-roster-in-years/amp
Oldest roster in a long time.
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Reggie McKenzie fired.
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Reggie McKenzie fired.
New Jets GM confirmed
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New Jets GM confirmed
If they want a pkg deal with mike McCarthy...it doesn’t seem far fetched
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If they want a pkg deal with mike McCarthy...it doesn’t seem far fetched
I'm trying to figure out if this is a worse nightmare than maintaining Bowels and Duff.
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I'm trying to figure out if this is a worse nightmare than maintaining Bowels and Duff.
Haha...I thought about it a few minutes after I found out McKenzie was fired. It’s not my first choice...but I could him pairing up with McCarthy as a pkg deal for some team
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I don't get the hate McKenzie was doing a good job until gruden showed up. Missed on some secondary players but created a cornerstone for the raiders in Mack Cooper and carr
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A candidate has emerged for the raiders GM position.... please let it be so
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001005594/article/mike-mayock-a-strong-candidate-for-raiders-gm-job
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https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1079510266294009861
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Raiders are hiring NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock as their general manager, league sources tell ESPN. The announcement will be made as early as today.
Schefter
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Lmaoooo
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So a GM and HC both coming off of TV jobs
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Jordy Nelson decided to retire.
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1119274857080991745?s=21
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1119274857080991745?s=21
Haha what a freaking dumpster fire.
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Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks
When I started scouting in 2003, most teams allowed scouts and coaches to see the draft board. By 2012, most teams only allowed 3-4 people (HC/GM/Personnel Director/College Director) to have access to the board. This isn’t that unusual.
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Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks
When I started scouting in 2003, most teams allowed scouts and coaches to see the draft board. By 2012, most teams only allowed 3-4 people (HC/GM/Personnel Director/College Director) to have access to the board. This isn’t that unusual.
Look at DJ defending his old boss...
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Look at DJ defending his old boss...
I assume he wants back into an NFL war room at some point....
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Not "lol", but Isiah Crowell tore his Achilles earlier this week and will miss the entire season after signing a single-year deal with Oakland.
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Ritchie Incognito comes out of retirement to sign a 1 year deal ;with the Raiders.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-sign-guard-richie-incognito-who-had-multiple-bizarre-run-ins-with-police-in-2018/
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Apparently Antonio Brown got frostbite on both of us feet during cryotherapy because he didn't wear the appropriate footwear and that's why he's been out for a while
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-browns-feet-are-reportedly-not-blistered-but-frostbitten-from-a-cryotherapy-machine/amp/
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This is going well:
https://twitter.com/victafur/status/1169255253553737733?s=21
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This is going well:
https://twitter.com/victafur/status/1169255253553737733?s=21
This is going to be fun if he has like 2 catches for 9 yards week 1.
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This is going to be fun if he has like 2 catches for 9 yards week 1.
You're assuming he plays week 1.
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You're assuming he plays week 1.
Fair point. Hopefully they bench him and he runs out on the field and into the huddle as if he has no idea he's benched. Also still wearing his old, banned helmet. Then the cops have to take him away kicking and screaming. Maximum drama.
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Then the cops have to take him away
Whoa whoa I know we're all tired of his antics but risking Brown's life is going a bit too far
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Whoa whoa I know we're all tired of his antics but risking Brown's life is going a bit too far
"He's reaching for an unsanctioned helmet!"
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"He's reaching for an unsanctioned helmet!"
This feels like a South Park line... ;D
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Bob McNair Rolling in his grave
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Fair point. Hopefully they bench him and he runs out on the field and into the huddle as if he has no idea he's benched. Also still wearing his old, banned helmet. Then the cops have to take him away kicking and screaming. Maximum drama.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
The Next Chapter: Antonio Brown and GM Mike Mayock got into it Wednesday, and the team is now planning to suspend its star wide receiver, league sources tell ESPN.
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Two clowns going at it
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he'll get cut.
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he'll get cut.
It will cost them $30M if they do, although there's presumably a point at which disciplinary issues will constitute a breach that voids guarantees.
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It will cost them $30M if they do, although there's presumably a point at which disciplinary issues will constitute a breach that voids guarantees.
Yeah, telling your GM to freak off might void his guarantees.
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Brown and Gase will be a great match.
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Brown and Gase will be a great match.
Make it happen, Dougie
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Yeah, telling your GM to freak off might void his guarantees.
Apparently he told his GM he was going to punch him in the face.
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Brown and Gase will be a great match.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/gPTTdOsD3lEQw/giphy.gif)
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Brown and Gase will be a great match.
This is why I'm trying to moderate my schadenfreude. The chances of AB playing in green and white this season are greater than zero.
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I don’t want this idiot anywhere near Darnold
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This is why I'm trying to moderate my schadenfreude. The chances of AB playing in green and white this season are greater than zero.
I would have them at exactly zero. No way Douglas or any other GM with half a brain lets him anywhere near their team.
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When can we expect Brown to start a game for New England. Week 2 or 3?
At this point I'm hoping he wants to stick it to the Steelers or Raiders and goes to a team in their division.
Brown to the Browns would really rile up the hype train. Though what could go wrong with Baker Mayfield, Antonio Brown and Beckham all on the same offense
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Brown threatened to punch Mayock while defiantly punting a ball and daring the team to fine for him it.
Jesus Christmas.
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Jesus Christmas.
The dude is off his meds. Props to the Steelers for getting rid of him and getting solid compensation to do it
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ryan clark was getting clowned for saying that he warned everybody how AB was going to be a problem
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/05/antonio-brown-may-end-up-getting-no-payment-at-all-from-the-raiders/amp/
Apparently due to contract language and Brown missing so much time (and the suspension helps the cause) there's a good chance the Raiders can cut Brown and never pay him a dime.
Losing a 3rd and 5th hurts, but recouping all that money would be a huge win
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If they can get rid of him, do it.
They should end it early, and dissect his brain now, if he doesn't have CTE, nobody does.
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I would have them at exactly zero. No way Douglas or any other GM with half a brain lets him anywhere near their team.
I'm with JE on this one.
I'm so glad I didn't get my early postseason wish of him along with Bell.
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Apparently Brown gave an "emotional apology" now there's a "real chance" he plays Monday
Teams STILL. a freaking joke
That said Id much rather Oakland keep him then open the door for the patriots signing him
Update :Gruden said brown is playing on Monday.
Even thoguh he told his GM he was a cracker
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He just needs to be on his best behavior for two days so they don’t void his contract. After that he’s going full degenerate
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I heard he called Mayock a cracker...
what a hero
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https://twitter.com/raidercody/status/1170149143072792576
it keeps getting better
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https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1170162050905116672?s=19
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freak you guys I'm on #TeamAB
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1170323577771573248?s=21
it somehow keeps getting better
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1170323577771573248?s=21
it somehow keeps getting better
What team does he think is freaking nuts enough to sign him? He doesn’t even have a clue how much money he is forfeiting if they cut him.
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He needs professional help
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He needs professional help
The over under for Brain dissection is 3 years.
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This is like the new age Terrell Owens
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It's incredible how much money he's about to lose
I have to imagine the Raiders saw this coming and did it so they look less incompetent when they cut him
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Not a chance in hell AB is playing crazy. He is CTE squared.
I already have seen people reporting how bizzare a deal was signed with new England as something like that is never done that quickly, insinuating collusion.
However I'll temper expectations knowing that's probably the only mention I'll ever see of it, thoguh many will wonder
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Raiders waived OG Jonathan Cooper.
The Silver and Black needed to clear a roster spot for Richie Incognito. Ex-Cardinals first-rounder Cooper was a healthy scratch for both Weeks 1 and 2.
Dudes sucked his whole career, but so does our line
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Raiders waived OG Jonathan Cooper.
The Silver and Black needed to clear a roster spot for Richie Incognito. Ex-Cardinals first-rounder Cooper was a healthy scratch for both Weeks 1 and 2.
Dudes sucked his whole career, but so does our line
Our right guard is probably our best lineman and our left guard is making $10M. We're not replacing either of them.
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Our right guard is probably our best lineman and our left guard is making $10M. We're not replacing either of them.
And we save 12 million if we cut our left guard after this season and 8 if we cut the right.
Safe bet that Osemele is getting cut
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And we save 12 million if we cut our left guard after this season and 8 if we cut the right.
Safe bet that Osemele is getting cut
It's two games, one of which was in front of backups who couldn't get a job anywhere else. Settle down.
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It's two games, one of which was in front of backups who couldn't get a job anywhere else. Settle down.
He's the 3rd highest paid guard in the league both this and next year.
And considering his guaranteed money is gone, it makes a ton of sense to have a plan in place if we feel he's not worth 12 million.
I realize you don't want to cut good starting OL when your OL is hot excrement. But if that's 12 million we can better spend on younger superior OL you cut his derriere in a heartbeat
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I realize you don't want to cut good starting OL when your OL is hot excrement. But if that's 12 million we can better spend on younger superior OL you cut his derriere in a heartbeat
Jonathan Cooper is barely younger than Osemele and definitely not superior.
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Jonathan Cooper is barely younger than Osemele and definitely not superior.
OH he's definitely not superior, the guy was as bust as you can get. But this OL is a excrement show, could be worse options for depth
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Jim Trotter
@JimTrotter_NFL
· 5m
Raiders coach Jon Gruden has fired respected defensive line coach Brenston Buckner and is expected to replace him with Rod Marinelli. Under Buckner, the Raiders improved from 13 sacks in 2018 to 32 this year, and from 30th against the run to 8th..
We should hire him
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/13/tom-flores-kind-of-disgusted-by-hall-of-fame-snub/
He's got every right to be. Flores not being in the Hall of Fame is a disgrace.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/13/tom-flores-kind-of-disgusted-by-hall-of-fame-snub/
He's got every right to be. Flores not being in the Hall of Fame is a disgrace.
I will cry for Flores when Klecko gets in.
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I will cry for Flores when Klecko gets in.
+1
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1290252224057221121?s=19
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Raiders docked a 2021 6th round pick for COVID violations
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Raiders docked a 2021 6th round pick for COVID violations
Did I miss the Titans being docked picks as well?
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Raiders docked a 2021 6th round pick for COVID violations
I'll bet we get docked eventually. There was like a whole half of football where Gregg wore his mask like a fucknuckle. Probably not dock-worthy in and of itself but it invites scrutiny.
If these schmucks go 0-16 AND lose us a draft pick in the process I'm completely in favor of awarding us a 17th loss just for posterity.
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Did I miss the Titans being docked picks as well?
$350k fine. No picks.
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NFL Update
@MySportsUpdate
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21m
#Raiders RB Josh Jacobs was arrested on a DUI charge this morning after a single car accident at the McCarran Airport tunnel. Jacobs has since been released from custody and has a court appearance set for March 8, per @KevinFOX5Vegas
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yikes
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I will never understand guys who drink and drive when they have the money they do and access to all the car/ride apps that exist these days
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I will never understand guys who drink and drive when they have the money they do and access to all the car/ride apps that exist these days
Only thing I can think of, because it happened at the McCarran Airport tunnel, is that he was returning the car and catching a plane. Otherwise yeah, in Vegas you can get a ride in minutes if not seconds.
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I don't know how you get in a single-car crash in that tunnel either. It's a speed trap (35 MPH when it could easily be 45), but it's dead straight.
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I don't know how you get in a single-car crash in that tunnel either. It's a speed trap (35 MPH when it could easily be 45), but it's dead straight.
well, he was drunk.
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I will never understand guys who drink and drive when they have the money they do and access to all the car/ride apps that exist these days
They don't need to put up any money the teams have drivers/car services on retainer.
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Las Vegas Review Journal's Vincent Bonsignore writes "multiple teams" are expected to pursue a trade for Derek Carr.
The Raiders "figure to at least listen", especially if offers include multiple first-round picks. Carr's contract is very tradable for both parties. He'd only cost the Raiders $2.5 million in dead cap if traded, and the acquiring team would have Carr for two years at about $20 million per season, all non-guaranteed. Carr finished eighth in expected points added (EPA) per dropback last season and will only be 30 years old in 2021. Bonsignore lists the Colts, Bears, Patriots and Washington as potential suitors, along with the Texans if Deshaun Watson is actually available. If Carr is dealt for draft picks instead of players, the Raiders could turn to Marcus Mariota, who is due $11.4 million this upcoming season, as their short-term answer. But the big dream certainly is to flip Carr and the Raiders' own first-round picks into Watson.
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I can’t see Carr garnering much interest. He might be “cheap” for a starting QB but who wants him as their starter? Especially enough to trade for him?
And Houston absolutely cannot take on Carr after what they did to David
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I can’t see Carr garnering much interest. He might be “cheap” for a starting QB but who wants him as their starter? Especially enough to trade for him?
Yeah, who would want a 29 year old QB that's completed nearly 70% of his passes and thrown for over 4000 yards for three straight seasons?
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I can’t see Carr garnering much interest. He might be “cheap” for a starting QB but who wants him as their starter? Especially enough to trade for him?
And Houston absolutely cannot take on Carr after what they did to David
Lol he instantly makes the colts and 49ers better. He would give the steelers flexibility without having to reset.
I just don't know what teams would give for him. I also am not sure what the texans angle really is here. Other than praying for watson this seems like they would set then back a few years
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The Texans would be laughed out of the league if they acquired David Carr's little brother to replace Deshaun Watson
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Yeah, who would want a 29 year old QB that's completed nearly 70% of his passes and thrown for over 4000 yards for three straight seasons?
If he's a true star, why are the Raiders so eager to move on for what most likely is Mariota?
Sure, Carr is a starting caliber QB and not every team has one, but with what's available right now what are you gonna give up to make Carr your QB?
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If he's a true star, why are the Raiders so eager to move on for what most likely is Mariota?
Because Jon Gruden is an idiot
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In a podcast interview with Cris Collinsworth and impending free agent Richard Sherman, Raiders coach Jon Gruden hinted at having interest in signing Sherman.
It was basically tampering on Gruden's behalf, as coaches and executives aren't permitted to speak with free agents until two days prior to the start of the new league year, which is in mid-March. But Gruden wasn't biting his tongue. “Richard Sherman, if you are a free agent, which there is a rumor you are, we are looking for an alpha presence in our secondary,” Gruden said. “Somebody that could play this Hawk 3-press technique with the read step. If you’re available and interested, maybe you and I can get together at some point off-air.” The Raiders need secondary help in the worst way and just hired DC Gus Bradley, who coached Sherman in Seattle and will be installing the defense Sherman has played in throughout his career. Turning 33 next month, Sherman isn't expected back in San Francisco.
Yeah that's... clearly tampering. Because:
Because Jon Gruden is an idiot
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Yeah that's... clearly tampering. Because:
MJ: "He's clearly joking and speaking of a hypothetical situation. He has no influence on signing players and this podcast was a private conversation, locker room talk if you will."
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Raiders cut Gabe Jackson
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Raiders cut Gabe Jackson
Remember when that one guy had him rated as his #2 overall player in his draft class and everybody gave him so much excrement for it?
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Remember when that one guy had him rated as his #2 overall player in his draft class and everybody gave him so much excrement for it?
Yes. That guy is still dumb as hell.
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https://twitter.com/raiders/status/1384650781672939521?s=21
This tweet is still up lol
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https://twitter.com/raiders/status/1384650781672939521?s=21
This tweet is still up lol
Breathing is a positive message
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https://twitter.com/raiders/status/1384650781672939521?s=21
This tweet is still up lol
I hadn't realised that there was a deeper context to it, but Davis's explanation was pretty sound and I trust to that guy's intentions. He seems like a pretty good dude.
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I hadn't realised that there was a deeper context to it, but Davis's explanation was pretty sound and I trust to that guy's intentions. He seems like a pretty good dude.
His haircut is terrible and eliminates everything good about him
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I hadn't realised that there was a deeper context to it, but Davis's explanation was pretty sound and I trust to that guy's intentions. He seems like a pretty good dude.
https://twitter.com/runninhillbilly/status/1384678638105288705?s=21
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https://twitter.com/runninhillbilly/status/1384678638105288705?s=21
Amazing
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https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/1384929106278633478
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https://twitter.com/herring_nba/status/1384656079041277954?s=21
First thing I thought of
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210430/73daeceac07a2a507a33d4d506303e53.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/GuyFieri/status/1442292010950426628?s=19
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https://twitter.com/GuyFieri/status/1442292010950426628?s=19
Ha ha you follow Guy Fieri
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Ha ha you follow Guy Fieri
No, sorry the internet still confuses you, grandpa
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I was reading the other day about how Guy Fieri often corrects people when the say "Fee-eh-ree", because it's actually supposed to be pronounced "Fee-eh-dee." Except he was actually born Guy Ferry and changed it because he's the Ned Holness of celebrity chefs.
(https://i.imgur.com/lFppRUG.png)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK6zuii2OLI
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https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status/1445257044106170368?s=20
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Gruden about to get canceled.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32362483/report-jon-gruden-used-racially-insensitive-language-referring-nflpa-president-demaurice-smith-2011-email
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Gruden about to get canceled.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32362483/report-jon-gruden-used-racially-insensitive-language-referring-nflpa-president-demaurice-smith-2011-email
Given Smith is facing losing his job right now, it's pretty clear why it's suddenly surfacing and where from. Pretty poor look on Gruden though, I'm not sure what possible context that kind of statement would make any sense in.
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Given Smith is facing losing his job right now, it's pretty clear why it's suddenly surfacing and where from. Pretty poor look on Gruden though, I'm not sure what possible context that kind of statement would make any sense in.
"I meant to say DeMaurice had those DSLs"
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"I meant to say DeMaurice had those DSLs"
Grud would hit it.
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1447716679987892225?t=-JDkh--wMXxv2sZoKIxBVw&s=19
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Gruden also criticized President Obama during his re-election campaign in 2012, as well as then-vice president Joe Biden, whom Gruden called a “nervous clueless hoo-ha.” He used similar words to describe Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the N.F.L. Players Association.
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1447716679987892225?t=-JDkh--wMXxv2sZoKIxBVw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1447716679987892225?t=-JDkh--wMXxv2sZoKIxBVw&s=19
I hope Carl Nassib kicks his derriere.
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And he's fired.
Edit: Or maybe resigned.
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1447730913119457280
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“Dumboriss Smith has lips the size of michellin tires,” Gruden wrote in the email reviewed by the newspaper.
And Dumbass Gruden's mouth's been awarded 3 Michelin stars for stupidity.
lived by, died by.....bye bye johnny
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There's probably about 4 fans of that team who are glad he's fired because of this. The rest dont give a excrement and are pissed.
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It's a shame because I always thought Chucky was one of the good ones.
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Dumboriss... Gruden missed his true calling as an angry Facebook uncle.
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Time to update https://isgrudengoneyet.com/ (https://isgrudengoneyet.com/)
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Time to update https://isgrudengoneyet.com/ (https://isgrudengoneyet.com/)
Someone's asleep on the job
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Well after a promising start you may consider the Raiders season over
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Who the freak is Rich Bisaccia?
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The turnaround he made with the Raiders was pretty impressive.
I'm sure the players are all going to be pissed about this. Not really sure who the freak wanted him gone, I imagine they're not people who actually watch the nfl
(Gruden 100% said some stupid excrement, and a fine possibly a one game suspension would have been far more appropriate. Maybe make him take one of those Coca-Cola brain washing classes)
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https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1447724933216305153?s=20
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The turnaround he made with the Raiders was pretty impressive.
I'm sure the players are all going to be pissed about this. Not really sure who the freak wanted him gone, I imagine they're not people who actually watch the nfl
(Gruden 100% said some stupid excrement, and a fine possibly a one game suspension would have been far more appropriate. Maybe make him take one of those Coca-Cola brain washing classes)
I think the emails were found as part of the investigation into the Redskins.
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Is it unfair for the media to constantly be reporting that Gruden used a racial slur though?
I'm all for being fair, and I think reporting that he was being sexist + racist isn't unreasonable.
But I do believe tht saying he used a racial slur suggests something far worse than actually happened.
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Not really sure who the freak wanted him gone
Derrick Carr
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Derrick Carr
Derrick Carr literally bought the house next door to Grudens
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Derek
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The turnaround he made with the Raiders was pretty impressive.
I'm sure the players are all going to be pissed about this. Not really sure who the freak wanted him gone, I imagine they're not people who actually watch the nfl
(Gruden 100% said some stupid excrement, and a fine possibly a one game suspension would have been far more appropriate. Maybe make him take one of those Coca-Cola brain washing classes)
One of the most knowledgeable football fans I know is a Raiders fan and he's wanted Gruden gone for the last two seasons. His comment this morning: "We're gonna struggle now rest of season but the good news for me is he's gone. We were going nowhere with Gruden as HC imo, the dismemberment of the O line, the litany of poor first round picks, the giving up on players too quickly, the old school football."
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Derek
Da'Rick
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Derek
This spelling should be illegal.
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Has anyone checked on raiderjoe?
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Has anyone checked on raiderjoe?
Misogynists and homophobes Eminem, Snopp Doggand Dr. Dre- good for football.
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Maxx Williams's lower legwent the wrong way on a hit
Likely done for the seaOsn
I miss these posts
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Maxx Williams's lower legwent the wrong way on a hit
Likely done for the seaOsn
I miss these posts
Maxx is 6'6 475 pounds and rans a 4.19 40 without shoes
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lol
https://twitter.com/Bernstein/status/1447997432567058434?t=ev7sOvGFzGVS1pUs_UJjVw&s=19
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The horror...the horror.
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Tampa decided to remove Gruden from its ring of honor.
Which in not sure if that's because of the race stuff, or saying their owners could suck his dick
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Tampa decided to remove Gruden from its ring of honor.
Which in not sure if that's because of the race stuff, or saying their owners could suck his dick
Probably the latter hiding behind the former.
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1448356963184746503?t=2ynLFTsw1jwcBB7ER-sQ8A&s=19
Cmon
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1448356963184746503?t=2ynLFTsw1jwcBB7ER-sQ8A&s=19
Cmon
Probably more about him not having to deal with media requests. "Hey Carl, as the only openly gay player in the NFL how did you feel about Gruden's emails?"
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Probably more about him not having to deal with media requests. "Hey Carl, as the only openly gay player in the NFL how did you feel about Gruden's emails?"
How is 1 day off gonna solve that?
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How is 1 day off gonna solve that?
Today was the big media day with Mayock, so Nassib being out of the building removes any requests to make him available. This will blow over very quickly IMO, tomorrow it will be all about football again.
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How is 1 day off gonna solve that?
If I was Nassib I'd definitely appreciate an extra day to prepare for the storm.
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Absolutely no need to provide access ti Nassib in this situation if he doesn't want to broach the subject.
I smell a carefully crafted statement coming with him making it clear that outside what he's offering in said statement, he will not be discussing this any further.
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Absolutely no need to provide access ti Nassib in this situation if he doesn't want to broach the subject.
I smell a carefully crafted statement coming with him making it clear that outside what he's offering in said statement, he will not be discussing this any further.
Agreed, which would also be the right way to handle it. I am presuming that they will not be asking every black player to comment on Gruden's racially toned language, so it seems a bit unfair to ask Nassib to have to be the spokesperson for all gay players, closeted or otherwise. The man did his big thing, now let him play football.
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Veterans get off for all sorts of reasons.
Why anyone would be upset about Nassib needing a day to process the fact that his head coach was two-faced and likely didn't support him is beyond me.
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Veterans get off for all sorts of reasons.
Why anyone would be upset about Nassib needing a day to process the fact that his head coach was two-faced and likely didn't support him is beyond me.
Maybe. I think that Gruden stepping down immediately is absolutely the right thing to do, but let's also not forget that these emails were a decade ago. That's not to excuse them or him, but it is quite possible that Gruden has grown and changed since then. It's quite possible that Gruden was completely supportive of Nassib, it's all just supposition and guesswork at this point.
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Maybe. I think that Gruden stepping down immediately is absolutely the right thing to do, but let's also not forget that these emails were a decade ago. That's not to excuse them or him, but it is quite possible that Gruden has grown and changed since then. It's quite possible that Gruden was completely supportive of Nassib, it's all just supposition and guesswork at this point.
I think a lot of my gay and/or BIPOC friends think that I am a very supportive person. I also think that at least some of them would be very upset with me and question a lot about who I actually am as a person if they heard/read some of the jokes that I used to make and once thought to be completely harmless.
Gruden could have been a completely positive impact on Nassib's life and these emails still could have rocked Nassib. Or he could just want an extra day before he has to answer everyone's, "How do you fee about coach Griden's homophobic remarks..." questions.
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I think a lot of my gay and/or BIPOC friends think that I am a very supportive person. I also think that at least some of them would be very upset with me and question a lot about who I actually am as a person if they heard/read some of the jokes that I used to make and once thought to be completely harmless.
Gruden could have been a completely positive impact on Nassib's life and these emails still could have rocked Nassib. Or he could just want an extra day before he has to answer everyone's, "How do you fee about coach Griden's homophobic remarks..." questions.
Yes. Agree 100%. I would like to think that my gay and BIPOC friends would feel the same about me, but I know I've said some things in the past that would make them upset with me and rightfully so. Out of misplaced jest or plain ignorance rather than malice, but still.
I'm completely fine with Nassib taking a day to not be part of this story, or for whatever reason. I'm just mostly disappointed in the whole thing. Al Davis probably did more for equal rights than almost anyone else in NFL history, Mark is a chip off the old block, and I thought Chucky was one of the good ones. I find it quite sad.
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Sending ignorant emails is more frowned upon than beating your pregnant wife/girlfriend or kid.
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Sending ignorant emails is more frowned upon than beating your pregnant wife/girlfriend or kid.
Because Ray Rice gor so much work after his elevator video?
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Because Ray Rice gor so much work after his elevator video?
Kareem Hunt did
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Sending ignorant emails is more frowned upon than beating your pregnant wife/girlfriend or kid.
You're almost there, just looking down the tube the wrong way. Keep going and you'll figure it out.
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Because Ray Rice gor so much work after his elevator video?
Tyreek Hill Adrian Peterson, remember the Von Miller excrement?
Gruden got basically his name torn down from everything in a freaking day, and you still have OJ Simpson held in higher regards and he murdered two people.
I'm not saying Gruden wasn't an poopchute. I'm saying there's some freaking ridiculous standard where people think it's more acceptable to beat the excrement out of your pregnant girlfriend than it is to act like an poopchute in a private email
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Tyreek Hill Adrian Peterson, remember the Von Miller excrement?
Gruden got basically his name torn down from everything in a freaking day, and you still have OJ Simpson held in higher regards and he murdered two people.
I'm not saying Gruden wasn't an poopchute. I'm saying there's some freaking ridiculous standard where people think it's more acceptable to beat the excrement out of your pregnant girlfriend than it is to act like an poopchute in a private email
...by who?
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...by who?
He's literally on Buffalo's wall of honor and still in the hall of fame.
I'm not defending Gruden in anyway, but he was basically scrubbed from Tampas history within a day
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He's literally on Buffalo's wall of honor and still in the hall of fame.
I'm not defending Gruden in anyway, but he was basically scrubbed from Tampas history within a day
Gruden who?
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Jon Gruden reportedly is mulling the possibility of suing the NFL and/or Roger Goodell over the release of emails that ended his employment with the Raiders.
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Jon Gruden reportedly is mulling the possibility of suing the NFL and/or Roger Goodell over the release of emails that ended his employment with the Raiders.
Sure why not
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Sure why not
what else is Gruden gonna spend his 40 million on....might as well be lawyers.
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what else is Gruden gonna spend his 40 million on....might as well be lawyers.
I would think if Gruden has a legit case against the NFL, (which I imagine he does) he's not going to use to shell out too much money.
Dude was making bank and the nfl intentionally did some shady excrement to end that.
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As if this franchise hasn't dealt with enough excrement, Henry Ruggs is about to be staring down the barrel of major jail time.
https://twitter.com/mickakers/status/1455592616305651716?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
A very brief search of the relevant law seems to suggest that if convicted of that charge, minimum sentence is two years.
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As if this franchise hasn't dealt with enough excrement, Henry Ruggs is about to be staring down the barrel of major jail time.
https://twitter.com/mickakers/status/1455592616305651716?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
A very brief search of the relevant law seems to suggest that if convicted of that charge, minimum sentence is two years.
Can we get him?
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Someone check on raiderjoe
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As if this franchise hasn't dealt with enough excrement, Henry Ruggs is about to be staring down the barrel of major jail time.
https://twitter.com/mickakers/status/1455592616305651716?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
A very brief search of the relevant law seems to suggest that if convicted of that charge, minimum sentence is two years.
Oof, excrement. That's very not good.
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Bad year gets worse for the Raiders
BIG YIKES
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Can we get him?
LOL Bo, I remember the day Hernandez got arrested on the murder charge, I'm driving home from picking up some fine herb with a buddy of mine and I literally pointed to the clock and said, "I give it 3 minutes" as we listened to FAN.
Wouldn't you know it, Raul from Bayonne or some such character calls up with the "Yeah I know what Hernandez is lookin at is serious, but if dis clears up you think the Jets would go after him?"
Oof, excrement. That's very not good.
An absolute disaster, of which while I have pity for the poor person that died...Ruggs, what the freak dude. This is the age of Uber. The NFL has had their own ridesharing service since Braylon got his DWI way back when.
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I still don't get how dudes with this much money get behind the wheel of their car to go out out drinking, let alone try and drive back.
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Looks like quite an impact.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/las-vegas-raiders-henry-ruggs-involved-in-serious-car-accident/
Also, WTF is he doing out at 3:40am? Does he not have training today?
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Looks like quite an impact.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/las-vegas-raiders-henry-ruggs-involved-in-serious-car-accident/
Also, WTF is he doing out at 3:40am? Does he not have training today?
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Until you kill someone.
Awful situation. Someone is dead, and a promising young career is likely ruined.
The Jets did get 2 of the last high-profile players to go to jail in the middle of their careers.
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Looks like quite an impact.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/las-vegas-raiders-henry-ruggs-involved-in-serious-car-accident/
Also, WTF is he doing out at 3:40am? Does he not have training today?
He was out drinking while hanging out at a golf simulator.
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Get them while they're hot! (https://etsytees.com/product/henry-ruggs-iii-speed-kills-shirt/)
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He was out drinking while hanging out at a golf simulator.
I was at that Top Golf last weekend! I did not see Henry Ruggs.
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Looks like quite an impact.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/las-vegas-raiders-henry-ruggs-involved-in-serious-car-accident/
Also, WTF is he doing out at 3:40am? Does he not have training today?
Guessing it could be related to them coming off their bye week
The Raiders have to be the most freaking depressing franchise in the league right now.
Derek Carr should go hide in a bunker and wrap himself in bubble wrap
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Looks like quite an impact.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/las-vegas-raiders-henry-ruggs-involved-in-serious-car-accident/
Also, WTF is he doing out at 3:40am? Does he not have training today?
Let's trade them Mimz
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DUI resulting in death is a Class B Felony. 2 to 20 years in prison if convicted.
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1455745502805434374?t=tGfEwPspwnUANSpl3cZfWA&s=19
He gone
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1455745502805434374?t=tGfEwPspwnUANSpl3cZfWA&s=19
He gone
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https://twitter.com/mikejbabcock/status/1455672591234977794?t=EP4Q1RVjtmA-bxf55PdOWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/mikejbabcock/status/1455672592220626945?t=xcv3eLUUF9YTvQj3ADEGrg&s=19
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1455930991902605314?s=20
enjoy cell block 6
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So sad. Pissing away a career in one night of making awful decisions. And a 23-year old dead. Ugh.
Also, Rainbow isn't a highway. It's a road with traffic lights. It's mindboggling to me to be going 156 MPH on that road. Good lord.
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One of the fastest and most explosive players to ever play the game...pissed it all way.
What an idiot.
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127 MPH when the airbags deployed? JFC
The loaded gun in the car really is the chef's kiss
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Man he really did all the bad things on the checklist minus raping someone.
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1455930991902605314?s=20
enjoy cell block 6
Just came here to post this.
The next time I freak something up I'm going to come back to it and reread it to feel better about myself.
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Man he really did all the bad things on the checklist minus raping someone.
WHERE WAS HE ON 1/6?!?!?!?!
/s
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Apparently he killed the lady AND her dog. Goddamn, keeps getting worse.
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I do think if he's out of jail in 2-3 years, some team will sign him.
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Apparently he killed the lady AND her dog. Goddamn, keeps getting worse.
Oh, I didn't see the dog died. Give him the death penalty.
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127 MPH when the airbags deployed? JFC
The loaded gun in the car really is the chef's kiss
Holy excrement.
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Speed kills
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Speed kills
(https://i.imgur.com/XkhY6Lj.png)
I wonder if I can still order it...
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(https://i.imgur.com/XkhY6Lj.png)
I wonder if I can still order it...
Get them while they're hot! (https://etsytees.com/product/henry-ruggs-iii-speed-kills-shirt/)
Yes
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That poor girl and her dog got freaking cooked alive. This is so sickening.
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https://twitter.com/VitalVegas/status/1455946106177671168?t=zGgRnCkD_l2pCOd23TbFCw&s=19
Rumor but still. If that's true, hard to believe his blood alcohol level would be as low as it was unless he waited a few hours to leave.
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https://twitter.com/VitalVegas/status/1455946106177671168?t=zGgRnCkD_l2pCOd23TbFCw&s=19
Rumor but still. If that's true, hard to believe his blood alcohol level would be as low as it was unless he waited a few hours to leave.
He is relatively well connected though he is kind of a douche. He isnt always right but he is right enough.
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https://twitter.com/VitalVegas/status/1455946106177671168?t=zGgRnCkD_l2pCOd23TbFCw&s=19
Rumor but still. If that's true, hard to believe his blood alcohol level would be as low as it was unless he waited a few hours to leave.
Might have been his tab that he paid for.
Why the freak is anyone at top golf until 3 am? And why on earth is anyone that hype about golf that they need to get completely shitfaced on a damn Tuesday doing it?
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Might have been his tab that he paid for.
Why the freak is anyone at top golf until 3 am? And why on earth is anyone that hype about golf that they need to get completely shitfaced on a damn Tuesday doing it?
Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the joy of golf and drinking. Seriously, if I was a millionaire I'd be drinking beer and playing golf until 3am very happily.
I'd get a freaking Uber home though.
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If you had Ruggs money, renting out a spot at Top Golf and getting drunk as hell sounds like a great time. You can also go swimming or just hang out. And if you're an NFL player, there are worse places you can be at 3 AM.
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If you had Ruggs money, renting out a spot at Top Golf and getting drunk as hell sounds like a great time. You can also go swimming or just hang out. And if you're an NFL player, there are worse places you can be at 3 AM.
Like in your car going 156 mph.
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Like in your car going 156 mph.
I'm a go getter. I'll start the night at Top Golf and end it in my car going 156 mph.
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Like in your car going 156 mph.
Or listening to Frank Turner
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Or listening to Frank Turner
That’s not a place. This was a dumb post and you’re dumb for making it.
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That’s not a place. This was a dumb post and you’re dumb for making it.
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He is relatively well connected though he is kind of a douche. He isnt always right but he is right enough.
Also kind of weird (and unbelievable) that a staffer counted how many drinks he had
Sure it's possible that that's the tab, but then it's a moot point unless he was there alone.
Regardless dude hopefully goes to prison
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Why the freak is anyone at top golf until 3 am? And why on earth is anyone that hype about golf that they need to get completely shitfaced on a damn Tuesday doing it?
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Derek Carr is such a freaking good dude.
https://twitter.com/victafur/status/1456062859570413570?s=21
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Derek Carr is such a freaking good dude.
https://twitter.com/victafur/status/1456062859570413570?s=21
Imho, the correct balance of wanting to be there for someone you had a relationship with without minimizing the horrible transgression that took place.
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Imho, the correct balance of wanting to be there for someone you had a relationship with without minimizing the horrible transgression that took place.
He's not just going through the motions of thanking God for his health and his touchdowns and the millions of dollars like so many athletes seem to, he's actually living the Christian ideology as it's written and taught. I've not much use personally for translations of ancient Aramaic scripts and the embodiment of basic decency as an all powerful sky fairy, but if a plurality of Christians - particularly those in positions of public scrutiny - spoke, thought and behaved like Derek Carr appears to, the world would be a much better place.
Ruggs did an incredibly stupid and reckless thing with absolutely tragic consequences, and the loss of his career and likely his liberty are nothing compared to Tina Tintor's life, but unless you actually believe that he had a specific intent to cause this then he too is in a world of pain that will be with him forever, and to show compassion for him right now is an incredibly strong and decent and valuable thing for Carr to do.
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The Carrs are just really good people.
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Derek Carr always seemed a little bit of a weird dude to me, but I think he's just overly religious. He's clearly a very good guy.
People on the internet are jackasses for ripping his comments. He's supporting the guy he knows, which is Ruggs. While it's obviously a crime what he did, it's more of a crime of stupidity and recklessness than malice intent, and that makes it a tragedy for Ruggs as well. Obviously, the biggest tragedy is what happened to the woman, but Carr doesn't know the woman. He knows Ruggs.
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This is once again a very weird discussion to have in a thread that includes LOL in the title.
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This is once again a very weird discussion to have in a thread that includes LOL in the title.
Well, now it's weird. Thanks.
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Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the joy of golf and drinking. Seriously, if I was a millionaire I'd be drinking beer and playing golf until 3am very happily.
I'd get a freaking Uber home though.
^ This. The 19th hole of après golf is always about the 'hang'
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/qns10o/the_raiders_2020_draft_might_go_down_as_one_of
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Those Annette videos are something. 1st year in Vegas with fans is a disaster.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/qns10o/the_raiders_2020_draft_might_go_down_as_one_of
Seems like a typical jets draft
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I feel like questions need to be asked about Mayock. Thus far he seems to be skating, but he's really not covered himself in glory since he went there and Arnette is the latest one that reflects badly on him, on and off the field.
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I feel like questions need to be asked about Mayock. Thus far he seems to be skating, but he's really not covered himself in glory since he went there and Arnette is the latest one that reflects badly on him, on and off the field.
Especially since part of Mayock's deal was to bring in high character players. Arnette was a reach and he seems like a mess off the field. Ruggs might have been a good person, but we all know what happened there. The rest of his picks aren't good.
With Gruden gone, who knows what they will end up doing after the season.
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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Source: The #Raiders are releasing former first-round draft pick CB Damon Arnette.
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Yeah, Mark Davis needs to go ahead and fire Mike Mayock today
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Yeah, Mark Davis needs to go ahead and fire Mike Mayock today
but then he's back on the draft panel at NFLN. #loss4us
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He's fine on TV, but the problem is now his reputation takes a few hits, since drafting is supposed to be what he's good at.
The Arnette pick was a reach at the time for a number of reasons, and having it blow up that spectacularly is a big mark against him. I don't really hold Ruggs against him, but I don't think many others were taking Ruggs as the WR1. The Clelin Ferrell pick was worse.
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He's fine on TV
No, he's not.
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He's fine on TV, but the problem is now his reputation takes a few hits, since drafting is supposed to be what he's good at.
Maybe he can intern for Matt Miller.
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He's fine on TV, but the problem is now his reputation takes a few hits, since drafting is supposed to be what he's good at.
The Arnette pick was a reach at the time for a number of reasons, and having it blow up that spectacularly is a big mark against him. I don't really hold Ruggs against him, but I don't think many others were taking Ruggs as the WR1. The Clelin Ferrell pick was worse.
i'm convinced clelin ferrell's parents were actually trying to name him cleveland
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i'm convinced clelin ferrell's parents were actually trying to name him cleveland
His dad’s name is Cleavester
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His uncle is named Cleophis
Siblings named Cleavon and Cleta
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His uncle is named Cleophis
Siblings named Cleavon and Cleta
you just gave your two best posts back to back
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you just gave your two best posts back to back
He wasn't joking.
I've always wondered what the female version of Cletus looked like.
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Bold move.
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1459253798719954952?s=21
I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure that "yeah but the other kids were doing it as well" isn't any more effective a defense in a court of law than it was when your mom caught you doing excrement you shouldn't have been doing with your friends.
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Bold move.
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1459253798719954952?s=21
I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure that "yeah but the other kids were doing it as well" isn't any more effective a defense in a court of law than it was when your mom caught you doing excrement you shouldn't have been doing with your friends.
What does he have to lose? Nothing at this point.
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Bold move.
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1459253798719954952?s=21
I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure that "yeah but the other kids were doing it as well" isn't any more effective a defense in a court of law than it was when your mom caught you doing excrement you shouldn't have been doing with your friends.
Maybe I'm reading a different quote from you.
But Gruden's case has been that there have been over 350,000 emails in an investigation of the freaking Washington Redskins.
Yet deliberately by the nfl only ones targeting Gruden were publicly leaked, the Raiders were pressured by the league to let him go, and the other emails in the investigation will not be publicly released.
Sure nothing in those emails will absolve or change the fact Gruden has said what he's said. But Gruden was 100% unfairly targeted (who knows freaking why) and as a result of that targeting, Gruden lost tens of millions of dollars if not 100m+ plus has permanently been outcast from society.
I have zero idea legally how strong of a case he has, or if his intentions are just to embarrass the NFL and drag Goodell through the mud.
But at the very least Gruden 100% has a completely legitimate grievance and your criticism of him is not even close to fair
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Counterpoint: Anything that keeps me from having to see a John Gruden press conference or film breakdown is good.
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Maybe I'm reading a different quote from you.
But Gruden's case has been that there have been over 350,000 emails in an investigation of the freaking Washington Redskins.
Yet deliberately by the nfl only ones targeting Gruden were publicly leaked, the Raiders were pressured by the league to let him go, and the other emails in the investigation will not be publicly released.
Sure nothing in those emails will absolve or change the fact Gruden has said what he's said. But Gruden was 100% unfairly targeted (who knows freaking why) and as a result of that targeting, Gruden lost tens of millions of dollars if not 100m+ plus has permanently been outcast from society.
I have zero idea legally how strong of a case he has, or if his intentions are just to embarrass the NFL and drag Goodell through the mud.
But at the very least Gruden 100% has a completely legitimate grievance and your criticism of him is not even close to fair
What does unfairly targeted mean? You can't only fire me when other people did it too, that's not fair!!!
Talk about privelage
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"...go on.....back o' the bus, boi..."
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Jon_gruden.jpg/198px-Jon_gruden.jpg)
freak him. Seriously, freak him.
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I don't like Gruden at all but the fact you assholes still go after DCM in one of the few cases he's completely correct just annoys the excrement out of me.
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I can't in good conscience allow you guys to give a excrement about this topic as much as you do. Gonna need you to stop caring. Thanks.
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I can't in good conscience allow you guys to give a excrement about this topic as much as you do. Gonna need you to stop caring. Thanks.
Nothing will happen people will continue to post takes.
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Nothing will happen people will continue to post takes.
Hey that's my line.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1466225857765146631
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https://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1466225857765146631
How does he look 40 and 14 at the same time
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How does he look 40 and 14 at the same time
Ha, he looks 50 above the eyebrows
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https://twitter.com/LATimesfarmer/status/1474480374235369473?t=oeAxOE4jsjPcW1sLRTtVww&s=19
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https://twitter.com/LATimesfarmer/status/1474480374235369473?t=oeAxOE4jsjPcW1sLRTtVww&s=19
Surprised the Eagles are that high and the Niners that low.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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55s
Raiders are releasing DE Carl Nassib, per league source.
too many complaints from the showers
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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55s
Raiders are releasing DE Carl Nassib, per league source.
too many complaints from the showers
Sign him. We need edge depth.
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Sign him. We need edge depth.
I hear he's good against tight ends I'll show myself out again
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Sign him. We need edge depth.
General view of Raiders fans seems to be that he's a good rotational piece but not worth what they were paying him, so yeah. If he comes at the right price then it would make some sense. Assuming Lawson returns fully fit and ready to go, adding a situational rusher would go some way towards making it a less concerning part of the roster.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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10m
The #Raiders and star QB Derek Carr have agreed to terms on a 3-year contract extension worth $121.5M, source said. The agreement ties Carr to Las Vegas through the 2025 season. He is already the longest tenured QB in the AFC. 💰 💰 💰
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Those AFC West games are going to be must-see TV
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figured a new deal for him was coming. He's the biggest reason Adams kind of demanded a trade there. So it only makes sense to lock them both in till 2025.
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Aaron Nagler of CheeseheadTV reports the Packers are targeting Darren Waller in a trade with the Raiders.
Take this with a gigantic grain of salt, but Nagler has been covering the Packers for a very long time. Waller turns 30 in September and has two years left on his contract, but he's coming off an injury-plagued down season that saw him miss six games en route to a 55-665-2 receiving line where he appeared to take more of a back seat to Hunter Renfrow. The Raiders have now added target-dominator Davante Adams, and the word from Nagler is the Packers and Raiders discussed Waller as part of that Adams trade, but league rules prohibited Waller's inclusion because a franchise-tagged player (Adams) can't be traded for a non-tagged player like Waller. Las Vegas is scheduled to make its first pick in this week's draft at No. 86. Flipping Waller to a starved-for-pass-catchers team like Green Bay in exchange for a high pick would make some sense.
Hmm. til
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So this happened:
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1522623913146167301?s=21&t=WInJONKGzqDHlToQpK5bTQ (https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1522623913146167301?s=21&t=WInJONKGzqDHlToQpK5bTQ)
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So this happened:
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1522623913146167301?s=21&t=WInJONKGzqDHlToQpK5bTQ (https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1522623913146167301?s=21&t=WInJONKGzqDHlToQpK5bTQ)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0U-UxXD3R7A/hqdefault.jpg)
He's a shady looking guy, he did something
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Why can't these rich Raiders bros get normal haircuts?
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1524535103552208896?t=SApKV-aIgKTneujk16jKSg&s=19
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
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3m
Source: The Patriots are working on a trade to send QB Jarrett Stidham to the Raiders. The teams will flip late-round picks in the deal.
(Credit to @IAmJamesStewart
for being on the rumor earlier.)
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Makes sense for McDaniels to get a backup QB that knows his offense
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Warren Sapp: Kappy was crappy
https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/warren-sapp-colin-kaepernicks-raiders-workout-was-a-disaster/?dicbo=v2-1f7c895b1fb3c4127695dc4b004b48bb
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Sappy: Kappy was crappy
https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/warren-sapp-colin-kaepernicks-raiders-workout-was-a-disaster/?dicbo=v2-1f7c895b1fb3c4127695dc4b004b48bb
Oh come on del. Here, I fixed it for you.
The NYDN is not calling you any time soon.
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^ Snappy JE : )
2× CFP national champion (2017, 2020)
Outland Trophy (2020)
Jacobs Blocking Trophy (2020)
Unanimous All-American (2020)
2× first-team All-SEC (2019, 2020)
NFL 2021 Draft - 17th overall pick
Released August, 2022
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https://twitter.com/gifdsports/status/1579677298911248385?t=47Nzdd_QMqYia1MDEPC8dw&s=19
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I'm glad the cameraman's injuries appear not to be life-threatening...
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https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1580291573891276800
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You are responsible for your actions if you hurt someone. If they want to press charges they can.
I would assume police asked if the guy would like to file charges and he said yes. I doubt they decided to charge him with a crime the person that got pushed around wouldn’t follow through with
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https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1580291573891276800
Would she have this same energy for Hunter Renfrow?
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freak Davante Adams and the apologist commentators who were like, "No excuse, but you really need to watch where you're going on those sidelines in the heat of the game." Eat excrement, you all play a kids game for millions, be a professional.
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freak Davante Adams and the apologist commentators who were like, "No excuse, but you really need to watch where you're going on those sidelines in the heat of the game." Eat excrement, you all play a kids game for millions, be a professional.
The Raiders fans that think the Chiefs planted the camera dude are the best.
KANSAS CITY DID THIS! HE'S WORKING FOR THE CHIEFS!
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It was an poopchute move, but police charges are a bit much. An apology, a signed jersey and a couple of tickets would have been just fine.
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It was an poopchute move, but police charges are a bit much. An apology, a signed jersey and a couple of tickets would have been just fine.
I'm assuming it's leverage. He can drop the charges in exchange for ______.
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Tom Pelissero
A surprise: The #Raiders are releasing former first-round pick safety Johnathan Abram, per source.
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Mayock's legacy is truly abysmal.
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Mayock's legacy is truly abysmal.
Was his best pick a RB in Jacobs that’s not getting a second contract?
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Was his best pick a RB in Jacobs that’s not getting a second contract?
Almost certainly his best pick was Maxx Crosby in the 4th.
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Josh Jacobs is good
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Josh Jacobs is good
Yes he is, but a first round RB needs to be special. 31 sacks in three and a half seasons from a 4th round pick is an absolute home run of a pick.
I don't think there's a compelling argument that Josh Jacobs with the 24th overall pick is even close to being as good a selection as Maxx Crosby at 106.
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Yes he is, but a first round RB needs to be special. 31 sacks in three and a half seasons from a 4th round pick is an absolute home run of a pick.
I don't think there's a compelling argument that Josh Jacobs with the 24th overall pick is even close to being as good a selection as Maxx Crosby at 106.
I don't think Josh Jacobs is a better pick than Maxx Crosby. I was responding to Libero.
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I don't think Josh Jacobs is a better pick than Maxx Crosby. I was responding to Libero.
You are forgiven
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Is Abrams better than LaMarcus joyner?
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Is Abrams better than LaMarcus joyner?
Joyner has been solid. I don't think there is a big need to replace him.
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Is Abrams better than LaMarcus joyner?
Abrams would probably be a linebacker for us
Similar to Marcell Harris
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Joyner has been solid. I don't think there is a big need to replace him.
I think we can upgrade safety in the draft.
S and OL are probably the most reasonable needs for us in the first couple rounds.
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Mayock's legacy is truly abysmal.
It's hard to think of a worse GM tenure. Maybe Matt Millen?
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It's hard to think of a worse GM tenure. Maybe Matt Millen?
Mike McCagnan? John Idzik?
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Mike McCagnan? John Idzik?
I think Mayock was worse than them, but I'm open to hear arguments on it.
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Maccagnan drafted quite a few players still making a good career in the NFL and he didn't whiff in the first round outside Darron Lee.
Idzik was considerably worse and probably runs Mayock close - his best pick was Demario Davis and all three of his first round picks were yikes - Coples, Milliner and Pryor. Milliner really should have been good though.
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Maccagnan drafted quite a few players still making a good career in the NFL and he didn't whiff in the first round outside Darron Lee.
Idzik was considerably worse and probably runs Mayock close - his best pick was Demario Davis and all three of his first round picks were yikes - Coples, Milliner and Pryor. Milliner really should have been good though.
Sheldon too right?
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Sheldon too right?
Yeah you're right. And Davis and Coples weren't Idzik's, that was Tanny's last draft.
So Idzik's most successful pick might end up being Geno.
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It's hard to think of a worse GM tenure. Maybe Matt Millen?
Yup
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Maccagnan drafted quite a few players still making a good career in the NFL and he didn't whiff in the first round outside Darron Lee.
Idzik was considerably worse and probably runs Mayock close - his best pick was Demario Davis and all three of his first round picks were yikes - Coples, Milliner and Pryor. Milliner really should have been good though.
Mike Maccagnan is responsible for some of the worst contracts in team history. Mike Mayock never bid against himself for shitty players.
Maccagnan was worse for a much longer period of time than John Idzik.
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he didn't whiff in the first round outside Darron Lee.
He blindly traded up to three and took ...Sam Darnold. That is a massive whiff.
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He blindly traded up to three and took ...Sam Darnold. That is a massive whiff.
After drafting Hackenberg
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He blindly traded up to three and took ...Sam Darnold. That is a massive whiff.
Not a single person in the entirety of Jets fandom would have made that pick differently and it's a wild leap of hindsight to argue that as a mistake by the GM. The error was in asking Bowles/Bates and then Gase/Loggains to be responsible for developing him into an NFL QB and you know that.
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Agreed. Everyone, from fans, pundits, other football heads, thought Darnold was a generational talent.
There’s a lot to criticize about but the Darnold pick made sense.
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If we're comparing Maccagnan to Mayock though, Mayock made high picks that were obviously bad or questionable at the time and then predictably didn't work out (excluding Ruggs who could not have been predicted). Most of Maccagnan's failures in the draft were only in hindsight.
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Not a single person in the entirety of Jets fandom would have made that pick differently and it's a wild leap of hindsight to argue that as a mistake by the GM. The error was in asking Bowles/Bates and then Gase/Loggains to be responsible for developing him into an NFL QB and you know that.
We were wrong. It was a bad pick. He got a fresh start and he was still really bad.
Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen were all bad picks. Hindsight is fair when it comes to the draft. No such thing as a sure thing.
That blind massive trade up set the franchise back. Fortunately for us, Douglas was able to get us back on track by trading Williams, Adams, and Darnold.
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We were wrong. It was a bad pick. He got a fresh start and he was still really bad.
Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen were all bad picks. Hindsight is fair when it comes to the draft. No such thing as a sure thing.
That blind massive trade up set the franchise back.
that's the point. There's no such thing as a sure thing but there is a consensus. The consensus was Darnold is a safe pick. I don't think you can fault someone for making the safe pick and it not working out.
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If we're comparing Maccagnan to Mayock though, Mayock made high picks that were obviously bad or questionable at the time and then predictably didn't work out (excluding Ruggs who could not have been predicted). Most of Maccagnan's failures in the draft were only in hindsight.
Bryce Petty
Sam Darnold
Christian Hackenberg
Devin Smith
ArDarius Stewart
Chad Hansen
Charone Peake
Chris Herndon
Jordan Leggett
Trevon Wesco
He just couldn't evaluate the passing game.
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Bryce Petty
Sam Darnold
Christian Hackenberg
Devin Smith
ArDarius Stewart
Chad Hansen
Charone Peake
Chris Herndon
Jordan Leggett
Trevon Wesco
He just couldn't evaluate the passing game.
This one continues to baffle me. He was not a consensus safe pick.... How the freak? Why...? make it make sense!
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The consensus was Darnold is a safe pick.
No, it wasn't. There was consensus that he was a great prospect but he had turnovers at USC and that didn't get corrected in the NFL.
There wasn't a Trevor Lawrence/Andrew Luck type on that draft class. Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson were gambles compared to traditional passers like Rosen and Darnold. The game evolved and 2 of those 3 gambles are a big part of that. Maccagnan was behind the curve with evaluations.
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The safe pick in that draft was a guard who has completely regressed in 2022.
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No, it wasn't. There was consensus that he was a great prospect but he had turnovers at USC and that didn't get corrected in the NFL.
There wasn't a Trevor Lawrence/Andrew Luck type on that draft class. Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson were gambles compared to traditional passers like Rosen and Darnold. The game evolved and 2 of those 3 gambles are a big part of that. Maccagnan was behind the curve with evaluations.
I'm certainly not arguing in favor of Duff as a good GM. I think slamming the Darnold pick in hindsight is a bit revisionist.
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I think slamming the Darnold pick in hindsight is a bit revisionist.
It's a bad pick. We traded several other premium picks to get there too.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ziZCV2e.png)
NFL.com write up (https://www.nfl.com/news/2018-nfl-draft-final-quick-snap-grades-for-all-32-teams-0ap3000000930225)
Here's a quick thing I found from NFL.com right after the draft. It was considered a good pick albeit expensive. Obviously just one source but I remember it being the feeling around it at the time. The old adage is you keep drafting QBs until you find your franchise.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ziZCV2e.png)
NFL.com write up (https://www.nfl.com/news/2018-nfl-draft-final-quick-snap-grades-for-all-32-teams-0ap3000000930225)
Here's a quick thing I found from NFL.com right after the draft. It was considered a good pick albeit expensive. Obviously just one source but I remember it being the feeling around it at the time. The old adage is you keep drafting QBs until you find your franchise.
The larger problem with the Darnold pick is that pre-draft The world was talking about Sam as the most safe guy in the draft, and most likely to be good. Which is why he was an absolute lock to go #1. There were rumblings when we traded to 3 that Sam locked in the #1 slot after his pro day and the browns owner sitting with with Sam’s parents. Sam wore a brown tie on draft night because even then everyone felt confident he’d go #1. Which means we didn’t even trade up for Sam because everyone expected him to be gone by 3. While one could argue gettleman wasn’t trading out, there was no guarantee he wouldn’t. So by going to 3, we were effectively saying our #3 QB was good enough. McCagnan lucked into Sam Darnold being on the board on 3. Who he then ruined with atrocious offensive player and staff management. Thus making it far worse than it might have been.
End of the day it was a franchise altering decision to make that trade and ultimately select Sam. McCagnan was wrong in his process of how to go about the trade and he was in the end wrong about the player he ultimately selected. So even if you want to say “well Darnold was the top guy, he HAD to be the pick when he was on the board” you cannot say the process was good leading to that option.
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The larger problem with the Darnold pick is that pre-draft The world was talking about Sam as the most safe guy in the draft, and most likely to be good. Which is why he was an absolute lock to go #1. There were rumblings when we traded to 3 that Sam locked in the #1 slot after his pro day and the browns owner sitting with with Sam’s parents. Sam wore a brown tie on draft night because even then everyone felt confident he’d go #1. Which means we didn’t even trade up for Sam because everyone expected him to be gone by 3. While one could argue gettleman wasn’t trading out, there was no guarantee he wouldn’t. So by going to 3, we were effectively saying our #3 QB was good enough. McCagnan lucked into Sam Darnold being on the board on 3. Who he then ruined with atrocious offensive player and staff management. Thus making it far worse than it might have been.
End of the day it was a franchise altering decision to make that trade and ultimately select Sam. McCagnan was wrong in his process of how to go about the trade and he was in the end wrong about the player he ultimately selected. So even if you want to say “well Darnold was the top guy, he HAD to be the pick when he was on the board” you cannot say the process was good leading to that option.
I agree with everything you've said. I am not defending Duff as a GM or talent evaluator. Simply think Darnold was the right pick at the time. I also remember a lot of negatives about Josh Allen and Lamar was the distant talent among the QBs. Hindsight is a lover of the older lady.
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Bryce Petty
Sam Darnold
Christian Hackenberg
Devin Smith
ArDarius Stewart
Chad Hansen
Charone Peake
Chris Herndon
Jordan Leggett
Trevon Wesco
He just couldn't evaluate the passing game.
The only ones I think anyone could reasonably object to when they happened were Hack (reach) and Wesco (low value position). The rest of them at least you could entertain the possibility they wouldn't play below their draft slot.
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The only ones I think anyone could reasonably object to when they happened were Hack (reach) and Wesco (low value position). The rest of them at least you could entertain the possibility they wouldn't play below their draft slot.
He took ArDarius Stewart over Chris Godwin
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The only ones I think anyone could reasonably object to when they happened were Hack (reach) and Wesco (low value position). The rest of them at least you could entertain the possibility they wouldn't play below their draft slot.
The receiver picks were bad, and were called out at the time.
Otherwise, I largely agree with this.
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Mayock in 3 drafts at least grabbed Crosby and Renfrow (and Nate Hobbs) who are better than anyone Maccagnan was able to grab in 5 drafts outside of the first round.
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This is a lot of time spent sniffing excrement piles to determine which one smells worse.
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This is a lot of time spent sniffing excrement piles to determine which one smells worse.
we suffered more than Raiders fans
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yxv9ct/the_2022_raiders_27_are_scoring_more_points_per
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Carr benched
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Sign him
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Go get Carr I swear to God they better get him
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They get a 5 mil dead cap hit . They'll cut him . Nobody trading for that deal
JD better freaking pounce
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There will be at least a few franchises interested in signing him. I know he said he'd rather retire than leave the Raiders but cold hard cash matters.
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Man, I don't know. If we could get Derek Carr for a one year prove-it deal, I'd jump on that and overpay him. But I'm really not sure I want this team financially tethered to him for the foreseeable future. Look what happened in that division this year: Broncos are a talented team everyone thought was ready to compete for a championship, promising young skill players, great defense... and they're absolutely fucked for at least half a decade, probably longer, because they hitched their wagon to Russell Wilson.
The Raiders aren't in much better of a position. Josh McDaniels and Davante Adams basically came to Vegas because of Carr; a few months later, the franchise is so ready to move on that they're benching the guy to avoid locking him into 2023. They're not even mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and they're that committed to getting rid of him.
I know I watched that whole godawful Steelers game and Carr looked like a liability, not a potential savior.
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I think Carr is tradeable he's a QB after all, but be has a full no trade clause, which could effectively make him untrdedable depending on what he feels about the open market.
His value might be low, but I imagine at minimum you're looking at a conditional pick that could go up to at least a 1st potentially and then some.
The biggest thing is he has a full no trade clause and gets more guaranteed money if he's on there next year.
It would probably make sense for him to just refuse all trades and seek a chunk of guaranteed cash on the open market. Or just force the Raiders to pay that bloated salary
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Man, I don't know. If we could get Derek Carr for a one year prove-it deal, I'd jump on that and overpay him. But I'm really not sure I want this team financially tethered to him for the foreseeable future. Look what happened in that division this year: Broncos are a talented team everyone thought was ready to compete for a championship, promising young skill players, great defense... and they're absolutely fucked for at least half a decade, probably longer, because they hitched their wagon to Russell Wilson.
The Raiders aren't in much better of a position. Josh McDaniels and Davante Adams basically came to Vegas because of Carr; a few months later, the franchise is so ready to move on that they're benching the guy to avoid locking him into 2023. They're not even mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and they're that committed to getting rid of him.
I know I watched that whole godawful Steelers game and Carr looked like a liability, not a potential savior.
He'd be the second best QB in the history of this franchise and it's not even close.
He's always been asked to carry that shitty franchise. They've never had even a decent defense to support him and their offensive line is worse than ours.
His slot receiver and star tight end were injured most of the season too.
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They're not even mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and they're that committed to getting rid of him.
One of the worst run franchises in the league
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McDaniels is literally just running the exact playbook he did in Denver. Guy's still a narcissistic moron, nothing has changed. Chase out the QB and anyone against him and install "his guys" with the "Patriot Way." Can't believe teams are still falling for it.
The Raiders have had 6 OCs since Carr got there and have never had a defense ranked above the 20s. He still dragged them to the playoffs last year. I think he would be a nice fit here, even if it took a year to really adjust. He's only 32 next year so I doubt he's completely washed, I would blame this year more on McDaniels really. Yeah you're not getting an elite QB but we can win with him with our current talent level.
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https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1608235181244039169?s=20&t=DMJnWR-k3-n-bo89m2Kcrg
make it happen, Joe
(Carr has a no trade clause btw)
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https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1608235181244039169?s=20&t=DMJnWR-k3-n-bo89m2Kcrg
make it happen, Joe
(Carr has a no trade clause btw)
First day of legal tampering better be filled with Carr to jets buzz
Ahhh I can see the bad transportation puns now in the headlines
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First day of legal tampering better be filled with Carr to jets buzz
Ahhh I can see the bad transportation puns now in the headlines
Carr is under contract until 2026....there is no legal tampering here.
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First day of legal tampering better be filled with Carr to jets buzz
Ahhh I can see the bad transportation puns now in the headlines
If you're just doing it based on wordplay then he has to go to the Colts, to be an Indy Carr getting Indy to 500.
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https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1608235181244039169?s=20&t=DMJnWR-k3-n-bo89m2Kcrg
make it happen, Joe
(Carr has a no trade clause btw)
Dude is filling out seminary applications.
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First day of legal tampering better be filled with Carr to jets buzz
Ahhh I can see the bad transportation puns now in the headlines
Hopefully he's cut before that day.
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Carr is under contract until 2026....there is no legal tampering here.
Hes being cut mark that down
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They can cut him for 5 mil in dead space in the offseason or pay him lime 40+ mil the next 2 years
Hes getting cut. Nobody is trading for that contract
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They can cut him for 5 mil in dead space in the offseason or pay him lime 40+ mil the next 2 years
Hes getting cut. Nobody is trading for that contract
I mean that's QB money
Look at QBs drafted early the last few years.
The guys a QB who previously played at a high level.
He's an asset with a pretty solid value.
Sure his contract isn't team friendly but it's not going to cripple a franchise for years.
If you asked people on this board if they could have Carr with that contract for a 2nd round pick the answer would be overwhelmingly yes
Now how the logistics will work out with the no trade clause is the issue
I'd assume the Raiders best leverage would be if they threatened to keep and start him
Who knows, maybe they'd even take Zach Wilson as a placeholder so they can bring a rookie along slowly
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If you asked people on this board if they could have Carr with that contract for a 2nd round pick the answer would be overwhelmingly yes
I bet you’d be wrong. I know I wouldn’t want to make that trade. If we have to commit that type of cap to Carr, we need the picks to draft talent to support him. Oh and on the open market I bet he gets at 65-75% of that 40 million if he’s open to go anywhere. If he’s only playing for 1-2 squads or retiring? I’d bet that he gets 50-65% of that $40 million. After his play this year? He’s almost as big a gamble as Mike white.
With Carr you feel you have a better understanding of who he will be, but that price tag limits how you can build. Whites price will let you build a better roster around him, but you are less confident you know what he’s going to give each week
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40 million?
The team that trades for him will owe him 33 million next year
Sure that cap hit bumps up to 41 million in 24, and I guess if you cut him at that point its pretty unattractive as you'd eat an extra 7 million in dead cap, plus the draft pick
Maybe a 2nd could be a little risky unless it came with a contract restructuring
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40 million?
The team that trades for him will owe him 33 million next year
Sure that cap hit bumps up to 41 million in 24, and I guess if you cut him at that point its pretty unattractive as you'd eat an extra 7 million in dead cap, plus the draft pick
Maybe a 2nd could be a little risky unless it came with a contract restructuring
Which Carr wouldn’t do… no reason to waive the NTC. Better to get cut, make the all the Raiders money, get to pick his destination AND get a second contract he is getting paid solid to strong QB money
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Which Carr wouldn’t do… no reason to waive the NTC. Better to get cut, make the all the Raiders money, get to pick his destination AND get a second contract he is getting paid solid to strong QB money
Carr is a valuable asset to the Raiders, despite his performance being poor this season. He's a 31 year old QB who has been pretty good for most of his career. Unless the Raiders think they have a franchise QB on their roster, or they somehow end up in a position to draft one of the better QB prospects, it would be hard to just cut a talented 31 year old QB.
Sure his cap hit is going to be a little high, but what's the alternative? Either being forced to get a QB in the draft despite not having a top draft pick (currently set to pick 9th) or have to overpay someone in free agency.
I don't think it's impossible that the Raiders cut him, I just think if you're managing that franchise you do everything in your power to not cut him. After all look at the recent hauls for Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson.
And 40 millions year is a lot for him, but technically you could just cut him after 1 year (and with the dead money it would end up being a 40m 1 year rental) if it doesn't work out. That might be overpriced for how he's recently performed, but that's comparable to what Stafford/Prescott/Cousins are all making. Goff is also in that range
Whether the Raiders can play hardball (either forcing him to stay or waive his no trade) I have no freaking idea.
But I do think a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd if he's not cut after one year, is a very fair value for Carr with his contract. Especially since his contract isn't loaded with a billion dollars in guarantees that'll bury your franchise forever. Worst case scenario you'd get a 1 year rental and you'd lose a 3rd round pick and 40 million spread out over 23/24
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Hes has had a collapse of sizeable proportions especially in 2 of the last 4 games . Fans are kinda tired of him but wish him well.
McDaniels is a moron but you keep saying valuable asset for a guy who is literally getting shitcanned before the seasons over
I view this as out of respect . You don't bench the guy you plan on paying 80 mil over 2 yrs to. Unless you think that's logical . We're so convinced your worth 80 dollars we'd rather you not play at all or be around the team .
I'd just say their defense isn't as good as ours and I'd take our total sum of skill player over what is an aged Waller and Adams
The Carr of this yr ain't holding the jockstrap of 2016 Carr
With all this said it'd still be the most competent qb play we've seen in a decade except 1 fluke yr with fitPatrick which ended in a meltdown as well
It's a moot ppint because Mike white is going 5-0 starting this weekend .
SB MVP
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Hes has had a collapse of sizeable proportions especially in 2 of the last 4 games . Fans are kinda tired of him but wish him well.
McDaniels is a moron but you keep saying valuable asset for a guy who is literally getting shitcanned before the seasons over
I view this as out of respect . You don't bench the guy you plan on paying 80 mil over 2 yrs to. Unless you think that's logical . We're so convinced your worth 80 dollars we'd rather you not play at all or be around the team .
I'd just say their defense isn't as good as ours and I'd take our total sum of skill player over what is an aged Waller and Adams
The Carr of this yr ain't holding the jockstrap of 2016 Carr
With all this said it'd still be the most competent qb play we've seen in a decade except 1 fluke yr with fitPatrick which ended in a meltdown as well
It's a moot ppint because Mike white is going 5-0 starting this weekend .
SB MVP
If he gets hurt I think next years salary becomes fully guaranteed. Not to mention he also probably becomes untradeable as well.
All the analyst and what not keep saying they expect him to get traded or cut. Which makes me think there's a realistic chance he can get traded.
But the benching is about protecting the franchise whether they plan on cutting or trading him
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If he gets hurt I think next years salary becomes fully guaranteed. Not to mention he also probably becomes untradeable as well.
All the analyst and what not keep saying they expect him to get traded or cut. Which makes me think there's a realistic chance he can get traded.
But the benching is about protecting the franchise whether they plan on cutting or trading him
Yeah exactly if he's hurt they can't cut him
His derriere is getting cut man
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I would never trade for a guy whos on his way out and im not paying 40 mil for the guy playing his worst football this yr
Hes getting cut and I'd hes not then I don't want to trade for him. No
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I would never trade for a guy whos on his way out and im not paying 40 mil for the guy playing his worst football this yr
Hes getting cut and I'd hes not then I don't want to trade for him. No
This will be the stance of every team out there, I would have said save for Indy, but they already canned Reich.
Seriously who would bring him in on that contract with trade assets going back? The only two teams I can create a plausible argument for would be Tampa Bay if Brady walks/retires and Miami if Tua is forced to retire. We don’t make sense as we aren’t close enough to make that move. Arizona might want to but no way to free that Kyler contract up. Seattle will draft higher than the Raiders and could either keep Geno or grab a rookie. Who am I missing that this would make sense to roll with?
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I would never trade for a guy whos on his way out
The contract is horrible, but if LV eats a lot of it or Carr agrees to restructure then trading a mid-rounder for him to make sure you get him makes a lot of sense.
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The contract is horrible, but if LV eats a lot of it or Carr agrees to restructure then trading a mid-rounder for him to make sure you get him makes a lot of sense.
That's quite a few ifs. If he's only a five mil cap hit I'd expect the Raiders to take the easiest way out.
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That's quite a few ifs. If he's only a five mil cap hit I'd expect the Raiders to take the easiest way out.
They'll probably cut him, but never underestimate desperate teams bidding against each other.
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He's also not a long term solution so it's going to be an interesting dynamic between teams fighting to keep him out of retirement and trying to hedge their cap space for the future.
Have we discussed the Dolphins here yet? If Tua's brain injuries are as sever as they look than they would probably be in the market.
The irony is that the team with the most unhinged personnel history is the one that's cutting him.
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He's also not a long term solution so it's going to be an interesting dynamic between teams fighting to keep him out of retirement and trying to hedge their cap space for the future.
He's only 31. I think he can give his next team at least 4-5 more solid seasons.
Las Vegas giving up on him like this could definitely motivate him to prove them wrong. He's that kind of player.
Have we discussed the Dolphins here yet? If Tua's brain injuries are as sever as they look than they would probably be in the market.
Miami is certainly going to be in on both Carr and Garoppolo if Tua is done.
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Is what has happened in LV in the past several years Carr's fault or not? Can the Jets really fix what's been holding him back if it isn't his fault?
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Is what has happened in LV in the past several years Carr's fault or not? Can the Jets really fix what's been holding him back if it isn't his fault?
I think Josh McDaniels is a fuckin moron. I think Carr is a 12 - 15 ranged QB.
Carr is better than anyone we have in house but I think White can be a 15 - 20 ranged QB. Is the upgrade worth the price tag?
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Is what has happened in LV in the past several years Carr's fault or not? Can the Jets really fix what's been holding him back if it isn't his fault?
Does Derek Carr play defense?
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Carr is better than anyone we have in house but I think White can be a 15 - 20 ranged QB. Is the upgrade worth the price tag?
The difference between the two is that Derek Carr has done it consistently. Mike White has like two complete starts.
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The difference between the two is that Derek Carr has done it consistently. Mike White has like two complete starts.
I agree and would not have any objection with the Jets rolling the dice on any FA QB because of that. Even if White balls out the last two weeks (or beyond.)
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Miami is certainly going to be in on both Carr and Garoppolo if Tua is done.
If Tua is done I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Brady. They're in win now mode, we know Ross has a boner for Brady, he's settled in Florida already, and they seem to have got away with the whole tampering thing that came to light with the Flores debacle.
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Carrrrrrrrrrrrr
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3-10 years on a plea.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/05/10/henry-ruggs-to-be-sentenced-to-3-10-yrs-in-prison-after-judge-accepts-plea-deal/
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Potentially 3 years for killing a 23 year old girl
freaking disgusting
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Tashan Reed
@tashanreed
Jimmy Garoppolo had foot surgery after signing with the #Raiders in March, sources tell @TheAthletic
. The quarterback's recovery timeline is unknown, but the sense is that the team is confident he'll be ready to play by the start of the regular season:
I'm old enough to remember dcm wanting to sign this piece of glass.
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I'm old enough to remember dcm wanting to sign this piece of glass.
Maybe we can trade the Raiders Lamar Jackson for him
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Maybe we can trade the Raiders Lamar Jackson for him
Keep piling up the Ls
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Next year dcm will want to trade for Tua
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Remember that time you were against Hackett and Rodgers?
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Remember that time you were against Hackett and Rodgers?
Hackett without Rodgers...yes
Hackett with Rodgers...no.
Did you purchase a Zach Wilson jersey yet?
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Tua/Zach in 2024
#DCMwishlist
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Will the Raiders trade Maxx Crosby and 6 first rounders to San Franciso for Sam Darnold now?
/dcm mode
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1662798373605330946?t=iJi_Kc3p7m5vfKCjo-o-0A&s=19
For everyone (dcm) that wanted the jets to sign Jimmy G....this is why you don't shop at garage sales/flea markets for franchise QBs.
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Let's compare worst case scenario with Jimmy G vs Rodgers
Worst case scenario for Jimmy G is they cut him, incur no cap hit and lose no draft picks. Essentially it's as if the move never happened, they suck without a QB, and then get a top draft pick to address the position
Worst case scenario for the Jets/Rodgers is we give up a significant draft compensation, a ginormous amount of cap space, and if he's washed up then we suck and the Packers end up with an awesome 1st round pick next year. On top of this the Jets will incur Rodgers obscene cap hit every season for the next several years
Jimmy G having health risk obviously sucks, but the Raiders addressed this concern with his contract, that they can get out of at no cost if they aren't satisfied with his health.
Rodgers by far has the most upside of any QB move we could have possibly made, and if he plays his best football it gives us the best chances we've had a SB in years. He also by a tremendous margin had the highest potential downside of any QB move we could have made because of the trade/financial compensation.
FWIW it's always been clear that Carr was by far my first choice, and Jimmy G was a backup plan that you fall back to if the big boy options fall apart.
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Offshore sports book has Tom Brady as the 2-1 favorite to be the next QB of the Raiders, if it's not Jimmy Garoppolo.
i'll have to verify with Smalls on this one...
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1662798373605330946?t=iJi_Kc3p7m5vfKCjo-o-0A&s=19
For everyone (dcm) that wanted the jets to sign Jimmy G....this is why you don't shop at garage sales/flea markets for franchise QBs.
I don't know how any of us could know Garoppolo's injuries were so bad he couldn't pass a physical.
It's like guys with character/injury issues in the draft. None of us know how serious certain issues are.
I still think a healthy Jimmy G is just as good as a healthy Derek Carr, and the difference in contract is due to Carr being a much smaller health risk. Obviously that is worth paying Carr more, the question is how much more. If Jimmy's issues are bad enough where his contract has to get significantly restructured, then it's probably a good thing we passed.
I was always on Rodgers though.
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I don't know how any of us could know Garoppolo's injuries were so bad he couldn't pass a physical.
It's like guys with character/injury issues in the draft. None of us know how serious certain issues are.
I still think a healthy Jimmy G is just as good as a healthy Derek Carr, and the difference in contract is due to Carr being a much smaller health risk. Obviously that is worth paying Carr more, the question is how much more. If Jimmy's issues are bad enough where his contract has to get significantly restructured, then it's probably a good thing we passed.
I was always on Rodgers though.
Jimmy G has been a piece of glass for years...not sure how this was a big surprise
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Jimmy G has been a piece of glass for years...not sure how this was a big surprise
I'll never understand how people assume injuries are completely a result of bad luck.
Why do some guys only get hurt if they run face-first into a wall, while others get hurt every time they run hard? I just don't see how it's a product of luck.
Jimmy is injury-prone, and it was the primary reason people like me didn't want him here. The only "positive" to him for me was that he'd act as a bridge to Zach if Wilson has any potential to still be a starting NFL QB. I strongly prefer how things worked out.
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OJ does not approve.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/08/09/oj-simpson-critical-henry-ruggs-sentence-death-tina-tintor-raiders-nfl/ (https://www.tmz.com/2023/08/09/oj-simpson-critical-henry-ruggs-sentence-death-tina-tintor-raiders-nfl/)
I wonder if OJ, deep down, even believes he killed Ron & Nicole. Thirty years of telling the same lie can do things to the mind, especially one that exists in a CTE brain.
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Dude joining the CTE bandwagon hard
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/09/18/chandler-jones-says-he-was-hacked-after-bizarre-child-molestation-accusation/amp/
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Dude joining the CTE bandwagon hard
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/09/18/chandler-jones-says-he-was-hacked-after-bizarre-child-molestation-accusation/amp/
He was hacked, just not his account. His brain.
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He was hacked, just not his account. His brain.
That family has some amazing athletes and all have some issues.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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#Raiders coach Josh McDaniels tells reporters that QB Jimmy Garoppolo is in the NFL’s concussion protocol.
Death
Taxes
Jimmy G getting hurt
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Death
Taxes
Jimmy G getting hurt
We should have signed him man, this OL would protect him.
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Death
Taxes
Jimmy G getting hurt
Thank goodness we dodged that bullet!
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Thank goodness we dodged that bullet!
dcm wants to trade a 1st rounder for him.
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I want Aiden O'Connell to succeed because he looks exactly like Farva. The best part is that it isn't intentional. Fucker just looks like he wants a liter of cola 24/7
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I want Aiden O'Connell to succeed because he looks exactly like Farva. The best part is that it isn't intentional. Fucker just looks like he wants a liter of cola 24/7
Phil Landfill Krundel
#HandsAcrossAmerica
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https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1709192120274170338?s=20
lmao
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Grand opening, grand closing
I can’t believe it ended like this
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Grand opening, grand closing
I can’t believe it ended like this
https://www.raiders.com/news/the-las-vegas-raiders-relieve-josh-mcdaniels-and-david-ziegler-of-their-duties
Yes it's pretty crazy how quickly and how early in the year
Adams could definitely be on the move after this year
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https://www.raiders.com/news/the-las-vegas-raiders-relieve-josh-mcdaniels-and-david-ziegler-of-their-duties
Yes it's pretty crazy how quickly and how early in the year
Adams could definitely be on the move after this year
crazy how the HC and GM that signed Jimmy G got canned.
time for you to enjoy that tasty "L"
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I reckon they go full tank to try and get the Riley / Williams package.
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Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
𝗨𝗽𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗲: #Raiders have also fired OC Mick Lombardi in addition to HC Josh McDaniels, per @AlbertBreer
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Raiders benching Jimmy G in favor of Aiden O'Connell
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Raiders benching Jimmy G in favor of Aiden O'Connell
Ramrod!
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Raiders benching Jimmy G in favor of Aiden O'Connell
dcm in shambles
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Raiders benching Jimmy G in favor of Aiden O'Connell
Can't decide if this is better for their tank or worse.
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https://x.com/followtheh/status/1719661880052982247?s=20
hahahahahahahaha
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https://x.com/followtheh/status/1719661880052982247?s=20
hahahahahahahaha
Amazing
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Amazing
It's fake but hilarious
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It's fake but hilarious
I’d have completely believed it
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https://x.com/followtheh/status/1719661880052982247?s=20
hahahahahahahaha
That is beautiful
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It's fake but hilarious
Awww damn
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Ari Meirov: "Before firing Josh McDaniels, the Raiders had a team meeting where players directed their frustrations at McDaniels, and unloaded on him.
McDaniels had Antonio Pierce speak on his behalf, and Pierce brought up the Giants' '07 team that beat the undefeated Patriots, explaining how that team believed they could beat anyone. Pierce said the Raiders need that mindset.
The players all loved it, but McDaniels didn't.
McDaniels told Pierce when everyone left: "Don't ever talk about the Patriots like that."
That's when everyone saw how divided the building was, and owner Mark Davis wanted Pierce as his HC."
(via @JayGlazer on FOX)
What a chump
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Thunderdome between McDaniels and Bill O'Brien for Pats OC next year. Loser is actually the winner.
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Thunderdome between McDaniels and Bill O'Brien for Pats OC next year. Loser is actually the winner.
O'Brien might be their HC next year
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What a chump
i would think this was as fake as the other fake story about the firing, because of how ridiculous that is. if mcdaniels truly said that to pierce afterward, he deserves to rot with the patriots for the rest of his coaching career
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Jimmy G suspended the first two games of 2024 for using PEDs.
I believe his guarantees get voided out now and he'll be a free agent.
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PEDs didn't PED.
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I wonder if the Raiders become a favorable destination for Zach
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I wonder if the Raiders become a favorable destination for Zach
Antonio Pierce wants to win
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PEDs didn't PED.
He pulled a Francisco Cervelli
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Too soon
https://x.com/tylerjschoon/status/1784273506018148559