Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:00:43 PM
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Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:02:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:03:08 PM
I don't know much about McDonald, but there were no options there I wanted, so at least we took the position we wanted. Look forward to watching tape of him and figuring out how I feel.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:03:59 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:04:11 PM
Wtf just happenedWe made a wish
Post by: Cane on April 27, 2023, 09:04:41 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 27, 2023, 09:04:44 PM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:05:20 PM
at least we took the position we wanted
what
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:05:27 PM
We made a wish
Most of my team from work is at the draft and they said they were gonna boo the pick for me until they saw the Make-A-Wish kid
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 09:06:04 PM
whatVegas odds told him McDonald was a solid pick
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:06:39 PM
Lawson
Johnson
Clemons
Huff
McDonald
Post by: casman02 on April 27, 2023, 09:07:01 PM
BACKGROUND: Wilbert “Will” McDonald IV grew up in Milwaukee, where he often played basketball in the neighborhood, but sports weren’t part of his childhood. He joined the basketball team in eighth grade and made the varsity team at Milwaukee Pulaski High School as a freshman. His family left Milwaukee after his freshman year with his mother moving to Waukesha (just outside of Milwaukee) and his father moving to Arizona. McDonald stayed with his mother and chose to enroll at Waukesha North High School, because of their basketball program. He became a varsity starter midway through his sophomore year and finished second on the team with 12.1 points per game. When he wasn’t playing basketball, McDonald was either at home or working (at McDonald’s) to help pay bills, until the football coaches convinced him to try a new sport despite McDonald having zero football experience or knowledge (he didn’t follow or watch football on TV). He joined the team as a junior in 2016 and finished his first year playing football with 69 tackles, 20.5 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks to earn All-Region honors. As a senior, McDonald moved in with his head coach (Matt Harris), because his mother moved back to Milwaukee. He earned first team All-State in 2017 with 61 tackles, 20.0 tackles for loss and 12.0 sacks while adding two touchdown catches on offense. On the basketball court, he was named the league’s Player of the Year as a senior,
averaging 18.3 points and 12.8 rebounds per game. McDonald also lettered in baseball and track. He won the state discus title (179 feet 9 inches) as a senior and finished third in the high jump (6-4). McDonald also set personal bests in the 110-meter hurdles (15.53 second), long jump (22-4) and shot put (47-1.25).
A three-star recruit, McDonald was the No. 47 weakside defensive end in the 2018 recruiting class and the No. 3 recruit in Wisconsin. Playing football for the first time in his life as a junior, he was unknown in the recruiting world, but that quickly changed once schools like Wisconsin invited him for official visits. McDonald developed a relationship with Matt Campbell and committed to Iowa State, shutting down his recruitment despite continued interest from other schools. His mother (Chandra Williams) was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2008 and, thankfully, was declared cancer-free in 2012. McDonald accepted his invitation to the 2023 Senior Bowl.
STRENGTHS: Owns a stretched-out, athletic frame with impressive length … twitchy mover and quickly gains ground because of his get-off and long-striding acceleration … rushes with natural bend and ankle/joint flexibility … uses his lateral agility to shake blockers and stay detached … loose-hipped to wrap blockers or unleash spin moves … quality bull-rush potential with additional strength and coaching … incredible tackle radius because of his wingspan, routinely finishing when he reaches the backfield … nice job stalking and closing on the quarterback … looks comfortable dropping as a flat defender in space … on the very short list of prospects in this draft class with double-digit forced fumbles (shares the ISU record with 10 career forced fumbles) … was often asked to handle multiple blockers in ISU’s scheme … outstanding backfield production, leading the team in sacks each of the last three seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Linear-built with a slender, lean-muscled body type … lacks defined bulk, especially in his lower half … average play strength will be more noticeable versus NFL talent … too easily pushed/steered from the pocket …immature pass-rush setup and move-to-move transitions … undeveloped secondary measures … too often finds himself too far upfield and behind the quarterback … lackluster speed-to-power moves … doesn’t consistently play stout in the run game and can be moved from his spot … inconsistent run discipline and late to leverage gaps … disappointing production as a senior.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Iowa State, McDonald played the LEO defensive end position in defensive coordinator Jon Heacock’s 3-3-5 base scheme, lining up inside and outside the offensive tackle. Despite not playing football until his junior year in high school, his 34.0 career sacks rank No. 1 in Iowa State history and are tied for the all-time lead in the Big 12 (one more than Von Miller’s 33.0 career sacks). With his length and quick-twitch movements, McDonald is able to separate from blockers, burst to close and finish in the pocket. However, his pass rush currently lacks ideal deception, power or setup efficiency, and offenses aren’t afraid to attack him in the run game because of his average play strength. Overall, McDonald is more toolsy than seasoned and might never become the sum of his parts, but his natural length, flexibility and explosiveness are an enticing combination. He projects as a subpackage pass rusher as an NFL rookie with the potential to be more down the road.
Rated as the 46th prospect
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:07:33 PM
Who is the odd man out at edge?
Lawson
Johnson
Clemons
Huff
McDonald
Since money is the issue, it's probably Lawson.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 09:08:29 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 09:08:35 PM
Maybe I’ll be proven wrong in a couple years, but this was a really shitty pick. Weak edge players that rely entirely on athleticism going in the top 15 is a constant recipe for disaster.
He is also old for an edge rusher.
That being said the metrics like him more than most older edge rushers so it could work, feels like a bit of a reach but as I mentioned in the NFL Draft thread, we're likely going to follow the Eagles model of only going QB/WR/OL/DL/CB in the first round
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 09:09:25 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 09:09:28 PM
Who is the odd man out at edge?
Lawson
Johnson
Clemons
Huff
McDonald
It’s a legitimate question if we try and trade Huff or Lawson in the next two days now
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:09:32 PM
whatShould say I wanted* not we.
The options were slot receivers, tight ends, 2nd-round talent OL, and pass rushers. Give me the pass rusher.
I don't know if McDonald is good or not. I like that he's a freak athlete. That's about all I got.
I wanted a trade down. Moving down from 13 to 15 hurt, though I'm sure we'll hear afterwards that the Jets didn't want Jones.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:10:50 PM
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 09:11:13 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Maybe I’ll be proven wrong in a couple years, but this was a really shitty pick. Weak edge players that rely entirely on athleticism going in the top 15 is a constant recipe for disaster.Not to mention if we wanted an athletic freak then Nolan Smith was right there.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:11:48 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:12:16 PM
So sad we won’t have a 1st round pick next year to make another really smart pick like thisWe were due for a Darron Lee.
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 09:12:59 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:13:12 PM
Just feeling kinda meh about it
We've got an island of misfit toys at edge and even trading one we still weren't getting others enough snaps
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:13:44 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:13:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:15:00 PM
Who is the odd man out at edge?
Lawson
Johnson
Clemons
Huff
McDonald
Mods ban this freaking guy
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 09:15:02 PM
can we stand him up to play LB?
We did announce him as an LB and he has LB size, and would be a freak athlete for the spot. But, when’s the last time we saw a 4-3 DE in college stand up and become a successful 4-3 LB? Particularly one drafted in the top 15?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:17:05 PM
We will need an edge rusher in 2024. McDonald can be that guy. In the meantime, we have another pass rusher.
I get if you don't like the player. But I don't think you can argue with the position. We've wanted edge rushers forever, and now we've taken them in back-to-back drafts.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:17:07 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 09:18:02 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:18:53 PM
Lawson is likely gone after this year. Huff will need to get paid after this year. Jermaine looks like a good player, but he's not that freak edge rusher.
We will need an edge rusher in 2024. McDonald can be that guy. In the meantime, we have another pass rusher.
I get if you don't like the player. But I don't think you can argue with the position. We've wanted edge rushers forever, and now we've taken them in back-to-back drafts.
We have holes this season, in 2023, with an extremely tight window to win. We have plenty of players at edge. Disagree
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:19:21 PM
One thing is obviously clear, the Jets see something in this kid, none of the national media guys did to think he warrants this pick. Here is hoping they are right, but odds would be against it
we saw something in zach wilson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:19:42 PM
One thing is obviously clear, the Jets see something in this kid, none of the national media guys did to think he warrants this pick. Here is hoping they are right, but odds would be against it
This is what every fan says after their team makes a bad draft pick
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 09:20:16 PM
Even if this guy is a 10x all Pro and single-handedly wins us 5 SBs, this is an awful pick
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:21:00 PM
We have holes this season, in 2023, with an extremely tight window to win. We have plenty of players at edge. Disagree
this is it for me lol. we're win now. we need help inside next to Q. we badly need OL. becton, brown, mitchell sounds like a solid group on paper but all 3 have legitimate question marks.
maybe we should have just yolo'd it and gotten rodgers another weapon for this year.
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:21:39 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:23:06 PM
i'm trying to figure out what the FO sees in this guy and why they were so ecstatic to draft a guy they literally milked all of our draft time on to pick
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:23:12 PM
We have holes this season, in 2023, with an extremely tight window to win. We have plenty of players at edge. DisagreeHitting the QB is always a need.
Who should we have taken? What need did we have to fill with the 15th pick if we didn't find a trade?
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:23:16 PM
I get if you don't like the player. But I don't think you can argue with the position.
Incorrect.
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:23:39 PM
Please feed me humble pie later hut yeah
Meh city
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:23:39 PM
You gotta figure JFM is a full-time interior player from here on out, right?
It's probably the better role for him.
Lawson is likely gone after this year. Huff will need to get paid after this year. Jermaine looks like a good player, but he's not that freak edge rusher.
We will need an edge rusher in 2024. McDonald can be that guy. In the meantime, we have another pass rusher.
I get if you don't like the player. But I don't think you can argue with the position. We've wanted edge rushers forever, and now we've taken them in back-to-back drafts.
I feel like not having the 2024 first rounder was factored into this one.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:24:37 PM
I’m not defending this pick but the move back to 15 and the Steelers trade up fucked us when it comes to OL.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:25:01 PM
is this guy anything like micah parsons
i'm trying to figure out what the FO sees in this guy and why they were so ecstatic to draft a guy they literally milked all of our draft time on to pick
Douglas was clearly trying to trade back for most of the pick. That trade didn't materialize so McDonald was probably the top guy on the draft board at that point.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:25:23 PM
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 09:26:04 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:26:13 PM
Gen Z Bryan ThomasShame on my avatar
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:26:43 PM
Gen Z Bryan Thomas
who is the future 'ed reed' level player we pass on for this year? nolan smith?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:28:37 PM
Which OL did you guys want?This. I'm not thrilled about getting a guy who's going to be 24 on opening day and was never really mocked this high.
I’m not defending this pick but the move back to 15 and the Steelers trade up fucked us when it comes to OL.
But I think pass rusher was the best position we could have taken once Jones was done. If you want to say Kancey or Smith or Murphy or someone, I absolutely understand and I'm not arguing that. But WR? TE? LB? Reach on OL? Give me the pass rusher.
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 09:30:09 PM
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 09:30:45 PM
This. I'm not thrilled about getting a guy who's going to be 24 on opening day and was never really mocked this high.Aligned.
But I think pass rusher was the best position we could have taken once Jones was done. If you want to say Kancey or Smith or Murphy or someone, I absolutely understand and I'm not arguing that. But WR? TE? LB? Reach on OL? Give me the pass rusher.
The frustration is instead of Broderick Jones we get a 24 yr old project. Edge is a fine choice
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:33:18 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 09:33:38 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:34:59 PM
Especially since hardman is coming off innury and Davis is a walking injury.
None of this helps us win now . So at 15 it's a bad use of capital
Like Cane said im not hug le on 43 ends with undersized builds he's a weaker version of JJ imo and we just took him at 15
Belongs as a 34OLB imo
What's done is done . I get the point of us losing a 1st next yr playing into this .
But not gonna pretend I'm excited
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:35:22 PM
The frustration is instead of Broderick Jones
Can’t look at it this way because we didn’t pass on Jones. He was gone.
We’ll need to hope he’s better than Smith/Murphy.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:35:42 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:37:00 PM
But I think pass rusher was the best position we could have taken once Jones was done. If you want to say Kancey or Smith or Murphy or someone, I absolutely understand and I'm not arguing that. But WR? TE? LB? Reach on OL? Give me the pass rusher.
i made it as a excrement post in the draft thread but compared to this move i really think i would have preferred
drafting JMS
moving mcgovern to G
moving AVT to T
one of becton/mitchell/brown to pick from for the other T spot
not that that's the first route i would have gone with. it feels like we drafted a 24 year old project/question mark who may not even be an impact player this year over other EDGE prospects who are better, for a team that is in win-now mode.
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:37:04 PM
We rotate a ton of edge rushers. With Aaron Rodgers here, we should have more leads. And if we have more leads, he can help protect them.
Jesus the freaking gymnastics
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:38:21 PM
i made it as a excrement post in the draft thread but compared to this move i really think i would have preferredDrafting a 24-year old edge rusher>>>>drafting a 24-year old center.
drafting JMS
moving mcgovern to G
moving AVT to T
one of becton/mitchell/brown to pick from for the other T spot
not that that's the first route i would have gone with. it feels like we drafted a 24 year old project/question mark who may not even be an impact player this year over other EDGE prospects who are better, for a team that is in win-now mode.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 09:39:20 PM
i made it as a excrement post in the draft thread but compared to this move i really think i would have preferred
drafting JMS
moving mcgovern to G
moving AVT to T
one of becton/mitchell/brown to pick from for the other T spot
not that that's the first route i would have gone with. it feels like we drafted a 24 year old project/question mark who may not even be an impact player this year over other EDGE prospects who are better, for a team that is in win-now mode.
JMS is also 24 and plays a non-premium position
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:40:01 PM
We rotate a ton of edge rushers. With Aaron Rodgers here, we should have more leads. And if we have more leads, he can help protect them.
This is what I expect Saleh's philosophy to be.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:40:54 PM
Jesus the freaking gymnastics
What did you want with the players available?
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:42:41 PM
Who's starting at FS? I'd have preferred a DT or WR
I'm not gonna beat a dead horse but this was underwhelming af
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:43:17 PM
What did you want with the players available?Someone who can start and not be 24 and a rotation player lol
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 09:44:39 PM
Who's starting at FS? I'd have preferred a DT or WR
Ashtyn "Ashtyn Davis" Davis, bitch.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:44:48 PM
Drafting a 24-year old edge rusher>>>>drafting a 24-year old center.
we would have been fine at DE this year. i don't want to see rodgers fvcked up on his derriere.
we made a significant investment in trading for him so we should look to protect him. our tackle stability is paper thin right now, and having to move AVT there once becton fucks any part of his legs, brown's arm falls off, or mitchell suffers another unfortunate PE just means that we move another question mark to one of the guard spots
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:45:07 PM
Someone who can start and not be 24 and a rotation player lol
Nebulous answer is nebulous.
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:45:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:45:47 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:45:50 PM
Nebulous answer is nebulous.Feel free to read the 5 other posts where I mention players hy name
Post by: Cane on April 27, 2023, 09:46:44 PM
Like I don’t see any way he’s a better option than Nolan Smith if you were locked into a passrusher. Or even a guy like Myles Murphy, who I don’t love but at least can be a legit player for you this year.
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:46:51 PM
What did you want with the players available?
Not our sixth edge player. I'll take TE1 or WR1 over that any day.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 09:47:05 PM
JMS is also 24 and plays a non-premium position
i get that, but would have been nice to do something to ensure we solidify the line around rodgers. JMS would pencil in as starter this year. we solidfy one of the tackle spots with AVT. much better plan hoping one of becton/brown/mitchell survives the season at the other T spot. mcgovern and tomlinson hold down G.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:47:34 PM
Feel free to read the 5 other posts where I mention players hy name
Yeah, it's almost like I wasn't even responding to you to begin with.
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:47:47 PM
We have Jordan Whitehead and Chuck Clark at safety. Branch isn't a great pick at 15 either.We don't need to agree but it's a lot easier to call people negative for having conviction and blindly selling yourself on the best possible outcome
I like the player in a vacuum. Let me be clear
Just all things considered it's nothing exciting imo .
Again. I hope I'm eating a big stfu sandwich mid season . I'll always gladly eat crow
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:47:49 PM
Drafting a 24-year old edge rusher>>>>drafting a 24-year old center.
Healthy quarterback >>>>>>> good pass rush
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 27, 2023, 09:48:51 PM
Healthy quarterback >>>>>>> good pass rush
I agree, but there were no prospects available, so what did you want to do?
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:48:52 PM
Healthy quarterback >>>>>>> good pass rushNah we just need 4 more guys to rotate and we will be good
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 09:49:16 PM
i get that, but would have been nice to do something to ensure we solidify the line around rodgers. JMS would pencil in as starter this year. we solidfy one of the tackle spots with AVT. much better plan hoping one of becton/brown/mitchell survives the season at the other T spot. mcgovern and tomlinson hold down G.
Yea but so far he's also on pace to be available tomorrow.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 09:49:55 PM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 09:50:29 PM
"You can't look at it in a vacuum!!!"
*disappointed with resulting draft pick*
"You have to look at it in a vacuum!!!"
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 09:54:37 PM
I started drinkingNot gonna drink but it's time to wage war on sobriety
Gonna need some Rodgers level party favors
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 09:56:08 PM
Saleh comped him (when asked) to randy Gregory and Brian burns in the presser.
If he’s that, he will be worth it.
Post by: IATA on April 27, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 27, 2023, 10:00:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 10:02:28 PM
We've wanted edge rushers forever.
We got Aaron Rodgers. We got the best edge rusher on the board in the minds of Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh.
The price on both is a little expensive, but I prefer to be optimistic, especially considering no other options were that appealing in either QB or at 15.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 10:02:30 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 10:07:26 PM
Branch at 15 would've been better too
Who's starting at FS? I'd have preferred a DT or WR
I'm not gonna beat a dead horse but this was underwhelming af
Branch is a strong safety/nickel, not a free safety
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 10:10:26 PM
Branch is a strong safety/nickel, not a free safetyChuck Clark and Whitehead both have 1 yr left right
But yeah I did mess up hes clearly not a FS
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 10:10:53 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 10:14:32 PM
Given other holes on the team I simply just thino its a bad use of the capital
That pick swap is looking bad now lol but that's 20/20
I will repeat I loke McDonald in a vacuum. But Jesus wish he had more moves and better use of hands to he 24 and spend 15th overall on given DE is probably one of our deeper spots.
Unless we see an edge player flipped by tomorrow or JFM going inside permanently.
I won't be changing my opinion on that .
Not that it matters just one of many nobodies with an opinion lpl
But yeah the film is nice . Doesn't change what I've said though
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 10:18:34 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 10:20:24 PM
I’d imagine JFM just became Qs inside running mate as well. So you can cross DT off the list for tomorrow I’d expect.Hope so
But still don't have anyone who can stop the run lol just Q
But we better get a damn OL tomorrow . For the love of God
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 10:21:58 PM
I’d imagine JFM just became Qs inside running mate as well. So you can cross DT off the list for tomorrow I’d expect.
This makes a lot of sense.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 27, 2023, 10:28:40 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 10:29:24 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 10:29:56 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 10:31:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAJL2PQL5M
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 10:32:40 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 10:34:47 PM
Will McDonald IV - 0 Sacks Served
This is a great idea if it gets updated weekly.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 10:37:52 PM
In a vacuum, this is a disappointing pick. This year, you hope it doesn’t freak our chances. We have limited draft capital. We just saw what happened to Rodgers on an underprotected, underweaponized offense.
Our defense was fine last year. Our offense was not, unless Rodgers fixes all of our problems, which everyone here clearly agrees with.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 10:39:33 PM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 10:40:30 PM
This is a great idea if it gets updated weekly.
Seconded.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 10:47:31 PM
Too bad this was our only draft pick this year.
Not getting a starter on offense after this.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 10:48:43 PM
Not getting a starter on offense after this.
We got Breece Hall in the second last year…
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 10:49:52 PM
We got Breece Hall in the second last year…
Because he was an insane value and we had a hole. Who’s that pick this year?
No Rookie WR is starting over Wilson, Lazard, Hardman
Maybe TE, but still prob 2nd string
OL is depth at this point besides Gord (which i still want)
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2023, 10:50:16 PM
Not getting a starter on offense after this.
BY GAHWD THAT'S HUNTER LUEPKES MUSIC
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 10:50:39 PM
Not getting a starter on offense after this.
there are still some starter quality IOL available right now. hoping we end up with one of them at 43
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 10:50:54 PM
BY GAHWD THAT'S HUNTER LUEPKES MUSIC
I'm just hearing Stone Cold.
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 10:51:24 PM
I'm just hearing Stone Cold.Lololol
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 10:51:34 PM
It’s ok to make a bad pick, it’s not ok to blindly defend itWe have Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard, Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman at receiver. We have Tyler Conklin, C.J. Uzomah and Jeremy Ruckert at tight end. All the OL worth top-20 picks were off the board. We're not taking a RB at 15.
In a vacuum, this is a disappointing pick. This year, you hope it doesn’t freak our chances. We have limited draft capital. We just saw what happened to Rodgers on an underprotected, underweaponized offense.
Our defense was fine last year. Our offense was not, unless Rodgers fixes all of our problems, which everyone here clearly agrees with.
I hope we address OL in round 2. I think we can get the same quality guy at 43 as we could have had at 15.
I wanted us to trade back. I'm disappointed we couldn't find a trade back. But there also has to be a team willing to trade up. It was painfully obvious the Jets wanted an OL in round 1, and the Steelers beat us to the punch.
Maybe it was a bad pick. But there wasn't a single player on the board I would really consider a good pick that I was excited about.
JSN is a good prospect, but I don't think he was so good that we was the obvious BPA.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:00:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:00:41 PM
Because he was an insane value and we had a hole. Who’s that pick this year?
There's a lot of really good prospects left that can play for the Jets right away...
RB - Zach Charbonnet and Devon Achane
WR - Josh Downs, Jalin Hyatt, Cedric Tillman
TE - Darnell Washington and Michael Mayer
OL - Matthew Bergeron, Dawand Jones, O'Cyrus Torrence, John Michael Schmitz, Luke Wypler, Joe Tippmann, Steve Avila
DL - Tommy Adebawore, Tuli Tuipulotu, Keeanu Benton, Siaki Ika, Kobie Turner, Gervon Dexter
LB - Drew Sanders, Daiyan Henley, Trenton Simpson, DeMarvion Overshown, Marte Mapu
DB - Brian Branch, Sydney Brown, Antonio Johnson
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:01:01 PM
Zoom Call suicide pact is still on the table.
I tried this but you guys wouldn't watch Aftersun
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 11:01:16 PM
There's a lot of really good prospects left that can play for the Jets right away...I like Hyatt A LOT
RB - Zach Charbonnet and Devon Achane
WR - Josh Downs, Jalin Hyatt, Cedric Tillman
TE - Darnell Washington and Michael Mayer
OL - Matthew Bergeron, Dawand Jones, O'Cyrus Torrence, John Michael Schmitz, Luke Wypler, Joe Tippmann, Steve Avila
DL - Tommy Adebawore, Tuli Tuipulotu, Keeanu Benton, Siaki Ika, Kobie Turner, Gervon Dexter
LB - Drew Sanders, Daiyan Henley, Trenton Simpson, DeMarvion Overshown, Marte Mapu
DB - Brian Branch, Sydney Brown, Antonio Johnson
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 11:02:17 PM
I've given up on the OL because we have more depth inside so unless it's a good C Henley or Hyatt
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2023, 11:03:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:03:10 PM
Henley or Hyatt would be nice
I've given up on the OL because we have more depth inside so unless it's a good C Henley or Hyatt
Bergeron would probably be our best tackle from Day 1
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:03:41 PM
We have Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard, Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman at receiver. We have Tyler Conklin, C.J. Uzomah and Jeremy Ruckert at tight end. All the OL worth top-20 picks were off the board. We're not taking a RB at 15.
I hope we address OL in round 2. I think we can get the same quality guy at 43 as we could have had at 15.
I wanted us to trade back. I'm disappointed we couldn't find a trade back. But there also has to be a team willing to trade up. It was painfully obvious the Jets wanted an OL in round 1, and the Steelers beat us to the punch.
Maybe it was a bad pick. But there wasn't a single player on the board I would really consider a good pick that I was excited about.
JSN is a good prospect, but I don't think he was so good that we was the obvious BPA.
Thanks for reciting our depth chart.
Sorry if I’m not impressed.
Rodgers should make our OK skill players look better. I’m concerned he’ll get killed again behind our OL
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:03:52 PM
I tried this but you guys wouldn't watch Aftersun
$4.99 on Prime and I think the watch party plug-in still works for amazon's media player LFG!!!!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:04:13 PM
Zoom Call suicide pact is still on the table.
In
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:04:57 PM
Thanks for reciting our depth chart.
Sorry if I’m not impressed.
Rodgers should make our OK skill players look better. I’m concerned he’ll get killed again behind our OL
Yeah hopefully Rodgers can find some way to elevate last season's offensive rookie of the year and the guy who would have been offensive rookie of the year if he wasn't injured.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:05:07 PM
Actually I Love this pick. Never doubted him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:05:23 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 11:07:47 PM
Bergeron would probably be our best tackle from Day 1excrement I forgot about him . Yep he's atop my list then
But hyatt Henley or C (2 or 3 guys will go rd 2 and they're all fairly equal imo )
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:07:53 PM
I’m concerned he’ll get killed again behind our OL
We all are, but there wasn't an offensive lineman on the board at 15. It's not like we passed on several tackles in favor of McDonald.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:08:27 PM
$4.99 on Prime and I think the watch party plug-in still works for amazon's media player LFG!!!!
UNDER PRESSURE!
It actually syncs up perfectly with this pass rushing draft selection
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:08:34 PM
Me on Friday every single year:I posted what I wanted in the draft thread. I wanted one of the top OL. They all went. Then I wanted a trade down. That didn't happen. Then I wanted a pass rusher. That's what we got.
Actually I Love this pick. Never doubted him
I don't claim to love the pick. I just don't understand the overall doom and gloom over this pick once Jones was gone.
If we took McDonald over Jones, I'd be pissed. But there weren't good options on the board.
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2023, 11:09:04 PM
Me on Friday every single year:Hahahah were all guilty of this at some point
Actually I Love this pick. Never doubted him
All my complaining was with the caveat I like the prospect lol but yeah I've said all I got to say
Would love to be wrong and watch him get like 9 to 11 sacks this yr tho
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:10:10 PM
There's a lot of really good prospects left that can play for the Jets right away...That's 7 offensive line prospects and we pick 12th tomorrow. Most likely one will be there, and I think we will take one.
RB - Zach Charbonnet and Devon Achane
WR - Josh Downs, Jalin Hyatt, Cedric Tillman
TE - Darnell Washington and Michael Mayer
OL - Matthew Bergeron, Dawand Jones, O'Cyrus Torrence, John Michael Schmitz, Luke Wypler, Joe Tippmann, Steve Avila
DL - Tommy Adebawore, Tuli Tuipulotu, Keeanu Benton, Siaki Ika, Kobie Turner, Gervon Dexter
LB - Drew Sanders, Daiyan Henley, Trenton Simpson, DeMarvion Overshown, Marte Mapu
DB - Brian Branch, Sydney Brown, Antonio Johnson
AVT's versatility allows for the OT need to be minimized a little bit. We still need a quality body on the OL, but if that ends up being an IOL, that's fine, and we can get that tomorrow.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:10:39 PM
I thought we were going JSN at 15 once Broderick Jones went to Pittsburgh.
Will McDonald being the pick was an absolute shock but he's a prospect at a premium position. I'm surprised by the pick, not upset by it. I would've been pissed if we spent #15 on Jack Campbell or Quentin Johnston.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:12:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:13:01 PM
That's 7 offensive line prospects and we pick 12th tomorrow. Most likely one will be there, and I think we will take one.
AVT's versatility allows for the OT need to be minimized a little bit. We still need a quality body on the OL, but if that ends up being an IOL, that's fine, and we can get that tomorrow.
We've now invested multiple firsts in OL and DL under Joe Douglas. He has said from the jump that his philosophy is to win up front on both sides of the ball. Robert Saleh agrees.
I think we'll take an offensive lineman tomorrow, but we should also consider a slot option like Josh Downs.
Jonathan Mingo is a name I left off my list. He's another good one.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:13:02 PM
That's 7 offensive line prospects and we pick 12th tomorrow. Most likely one will be there, and I think we will take one.
AVT's versatility allows for the OT need to be minimized a little bit. We still need a quality body on the OL, but if that ends up being an IOL, that's fine, and we can get that tomorrow.
Whoever we take tomorrow is depth.
Spin it any way you want, but if that’s the way the draft shakes out, we didn’t really improve in any meaningful way for 2023. Through the draft.
I realize that I am the worst, but I don’t think there’s any draft scenario from here on out that makes me happy. Sorry guys I just have a different opinion
I also did like 1.5 total hours of draft research this year compared to a
Normal year of like 3 months so take that into consideration. I’m probably wrong, I’m def wrong
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:16:04 PM
Whoever we take tomorrow is depth.
Spin it any way you want, but if that’s the way the draft shakes out, we didn’t really improve in any meaningful way for 2023. Through the draft.
It's unfair to say that because no one knows. We don't know who the pick is at 42 and we also don't know if McDonald will make us better or not.
Our pass rush was productive in 2022 by way of pressure, but not a lot of finishes. We also don't take the ball away from other teams. McDonald has sack production and he forces a lot of fumbles. He has the skillset to definitely help our team.
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 11:16:24 PM
As soon as New England* moved back, I knew they fucked us.
I thought we were going JSN at 15 once Broderick Jones went to Pittsburgh.
Will McDonald being the pick was an absolute shock but he's a prospect at a premium position. I'm surprised by the pick, not upset by it. I would've been pissed if we spent #15 on Jack Campbell or Quentin Johnston.
Thank god we're not the Lions taking a RB at 12 and ILB at 18, this board would have seppuku'd
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:16:27 PM
Whoever we take tomorrow is depth.That's ridiculous.
Spin in any way you want, but if that’s the way the draft shakes out, we didn’t really improve in any meaningful way for 2023. Through the draft.
We drafted a starter in round 2 each of the last 2 years.
And we took an pass rusher. How is improving the most important part of your defense not improving in any meaningful way?
Who is this mystery prospect that would have improved us in a significant way? You think JSN is that much better as a rookie than Lazard and Hardman? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe McDonald is our best pure pass rusher next year. Maybe not.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:17:15 PM
Thank god we're not the Lions taking a RB at 12 and ILB at 18, this board would have seppuku'd
We are still seppuku'ing on Zoom
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:19:06 PM
It's unfair to say that because no one knows. We don't know who the pick is at 42 and we also don't know if McDonald will make us better or not.
Our pass rush was productive in 2022 by way of pressure, but not a lot of finishes. We also don't take the ball away from other teams. McDonald has sack production and he forces a lot of fumbles. He has the skillset to definitely help our team.
Stop defending Ronald McDonald, you hate him.
Let the hate flow through you
It’s ok to admit you thought he was a a 2nd rounder,
This is a safe space
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 11:19:18 PM
That's ridiculous.I think he means we aren't getting a starter which I think says more about our depth than anything else.
We drafted a starter in round 2 each of the last 2 years.
And we took an pass rusher. How is improving the most important part of your defense not improving in any meaningful way?
Who is this mystery prospect that would have improved us in a significant way? You think JSN is that much better as a rookie than Lazard and Hardman? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe McDonald is our best pure pass rusher next year. Maybe not.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2023, 11:20:44 PM
Whoever we take tomorrow is depth.
Spin it any way you want, but if that’s the way the draft shakes out, we didn’t really improve in any meaningful way for 2023. Through the draft.
I realize that I am the worst, but I don’t think there’s any draft scenario from here on out that makes me happy. Sorry guy I just have a different opinion
An argument can be made that Bergeron is a better player than Brown was a year ago. One can also be made that Avila and Torrence are better than Tomlinson was a year ago. Mcgovern could be replaced by JMS or Tippman or my personal favorite due to his athleticism, Wypler.
The chances we drafted multiple immediate OL starters was dramatically impacted when we dropped back to 15 and kept 43 instead of 42. We can still get our hands on one tomorrow and preferably he alleviates some of the pressure we are all feeling
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:20:51 PM
That's ridiculous.
We drafted a starter in round 2 each of the last 2 years.
And we took an pass rusher. How is improving the most important part of your defense not improving in any meaningful way?
Who is this mystery prospect that would have improved us in a significant way? You think JSN is that much better as a rookie than Lazard and Hardman? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe McDonald is our best pure pass rusher next year. Maybe not.
Gonna have to elaborate on 2021 2nd round fam
You also keep saying that it’s a good pick just cause it was a pass rusher. Not gonna get into that one
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 11:21:27 PM
Chris simms said in his analysis that WM has been played out of position as a 5 technique all season and its amazing that he can hold up at the 5 and dt at his size. If he was lined up outside he would be way more successful which is saying alot given his production.
Robert Saleh basically confirmed as much on his call to Will
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:22:04 PM
It’s ok to admit you thought he was a a 2nd rounder,
This is a safe space
I certainly didn't have him ranked to go in the top half of the first round. I also didn't have any of the available offensive linemen ranked there either.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:23:26 PM
I'm feeling slightly better about this pick
Chris simms said in his analysis that WM has been played out of position as a 5 technique all season and its amazing that he can hold up at the 5 and dt at his size. If he was lined up outside he would be way more successful which is saying alot given his production.
Robert Saleh basically confirmed as much on his call to Will
Matt Campbell used him as a 4i a lot. He was not able to use his best trait: speed. He was a lengthy speed rusher trying to beat tackles inside. Not good.
I think he'll struggle against the run, but he does some really freaky stuff as a pass rusher. The spin move is really the only thing he has in his bag, but his bend is legit.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:23:49 PM
We are still seppuku'ing on Zoom
I'm ODing on bleach.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:24:08 PM
I think he means we aren't getting a starter which I think says more about our depth than anything else.I think this team is deeper than given credit for. Even at OT, we already have 3 guys who have proven they can start in the NFL (including AVT), and we have Mitchell who could easily be a 4th.
JSN would have been nice, but is he beating out Lazard or Hardman as a rookie? Maybe. Maybe not. He's not playing 2-WR sets most likely. Tight ends are usually bad bets in round 1, and we have spent significant resources on 3 tight ends already on the roster.
I haven't really seen any other alternatives at non-edge positions floated besides Branch, and I don't really want to take Branch at 15 when we already have 2 starting-caliber safeties and a quality nickel.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:24:38 PM
Matt Campbell used him as a 4i a lot. He was not able to use his best trait: speed. He was a lengthy speed rusher trying to beat tackles inside. Not good.Watched an interview of him watching his own film and he mentioned his rip move as his best move FWIW.
I think he'll struggle against the run, but he does some really freaky stuff as a pass rusher. The spin move is really the only thing he has in his bad, but his bend is legit.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:24:48 PM
I'm ODing on bleach.
I'm calling Ari Aster for more creative ideas
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:25:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:26:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:26:20 PM
Watched an interview of him watching his own film and he mentioned his rip move as his best move FWIW.
Interesting. If he has an outside rip, that's a good thing because Saleh told him he's going to play Wide 9.
Saleh might be bringing back the LEO position.
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 11:28:03 PM
Quinton Coples played out of position too
Unlike the peasant Coples, Sir Will McDonald IV of Pewaukee has not been marred with cow brands on his arms
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:28:53 PM
Interesting. If he has an outside rip, that's a good thing because Saleh told him he's going to play Wide 9.https://youtu.be/F4MSadHDfLE?t=378
Saleh might be bringing back the LEO position.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:29:30 PM
I'm calling Ari Aster for more creative ideas
MERCY HAMMER!!!!!
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:30:20 PM
Quinton Coples played out of position too
Do I need to come up to CT and make out with you?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 11:31:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:31:29 PM
Unlike the peasant Coples, Sir Will McDonald IV of Pewaukee has not been marred with cow brands on his arms
Awards and Honors
First Team All-American – FWAA, Phil Steele (2021)
Second Team All-American – CBS (2021)
Third Team All-American – AP (2021)
Big 12 Co-Defensive Lineman of the Year (2021)
First Team All-Big 12 – Coaches (2020, 2021, 2022)
Second Team All-Big 12 - Phil Steele, AP (2022)
Ted Hendricks Award Semifinalist (2020, 2021)
Second Team Academic All-Big 12 (2019, 2020)
First Team Dookie Arm (2019, 2020, 2021, 2022)
Defensive Scout Team Player of the Year (2018)
Academic All-Big 12 Rookie Team (2018)
Reese's Senior Bowl Participant (2022)
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:32:10 PM
Also, he's a Dragonball Z guy, so Lawson will love him.
Heiss now officially hates this pick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:32:42 PM
Also, he's a Dragonball Z guy, so Lawson will love him.
-Derek Hughes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:34:36 PM
Do I need to come up to CT and make out with you?
Let’s meet in the middle at the tailgate
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:35:48 PM
I still won’t be happy tho
I’ll leave this thread alone. But I will be back
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 11:39:11 PM
A couple more and imma unlock a shitposting achievement
I still won’t be happy tho
I’ll leave this thread alone. But I will be back
Change the thread title on your way out.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 11:43:07 PM
Change the thread title on your way out.
Mods change thread title to Will Maybin, thanks
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 11:48:27 PM
Gen Z Jarron Gilbert*
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 12:00:09 AM
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2023, 12:27:12 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 28, 2023, 05:21:27 AM
In case you want to listen https://open.spotify.com/episode/0BXktYyWCNy397BFvd4R7L?si=e-a2k9jgTJu4ENcG8PuzjQ&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A4MbTiG4xcKINxa3Pd5OIKu
It comes around the 1:05:00 mark
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 05:23:44 AM
5 sacks in 12 games vs a bunch of mediocre programs
And the few big programs here erased him when they played .
And he's undersized lol . We basically drafted Bryce huff to replace Bryce huff at 15
Yeah a night of sleep and still hating this .
Led the country with 10.5 in 2020 did better in 2021 prrrt in 2022
My thing is . Will he actually get snaps? Is he gonna start. 15 for a freaking rotational guy is dumb af and he's gonna be weak vs tbe run
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 05:27:54 AM
My thing is this is a win now team so unless he's actually gonna get a lot of snaps it makes no sense to limit his activity then expect him to carry the whole burden when huff and Lawson are inevitably gone in 24
Just feel like edge is a shitty game of musical chairs and we're throwing darts at the wall with a blindfold
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 05:50:21 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2023, 07:24:17 AM
More alarmed that he had his worst year his senior year lol
5 sacks in 12 games vs a bunch of mediocre programs
And the few big programs here erased him when they played .
And he's undersized lol . We basically drafted Bryce huff to replace Bryce huff at 15
Yeah a night of sleep and still hating this .
Led the country with 10.5 in 2020 did better in 2021 prrrt in 2022
My thing is . Will he actually get snaps? Is he gonna start. 15 for a freaking rotational guy is dumb af and he's gonna be weak vs tbe run
JJ was losing snaps to Vinny Clotty and some other guy I hate but forgot who he was last season
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 07:31:40 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 07:44:48 AM
More alarmed that he had his worst year his senior year lol
Box score scouting
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 07:52:49 AM
Evryone was losing snaps because Ulbrich kept rotating our DLine out.
Looking at the snap counts overall, our DTs rotate way more than our EDGE players.
Lawson and JFM both had over 600 snaps while JJ and Clemons had 300+.
Curry and Huff had under 200 snaps.
Shep had 400 and Rankins had 500. That's a problem because we've lost 900 interior snaps and only filled one of those spots with a pass rushing IDL (Quinton Jefferson).
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 08:15:28 AM
Looking at the snap counts overall, our DTs rotate way more than our EDGE players.
Lawson and JFM both had over 600 snaps while JJ and Clemons had 300+.
Curry and Huff had under 200 snaps.
Shep had 400 and Rankins had 500. That's a problem because we've lost 900 interior snaps and only filled one of those spots with a pass rushing IDL (Quinton Jefferson).
The presumption going forward would be that JFM fills the other DT spot while JJ steps into JFM's role and McDonald gets JJ's role from last season.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2023, 08:20:44 AM
Outside linebacker
Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
I'm sneaking another edge rusher onto my list. I love McDonald's game, and he has the production to match his talent. He forced 10 fumbles in his career for the Cyclones and had 34 sacks. He was unblockable at the Senior Bowl against his peers, and he had a great combine workout too. He put up the best broad jump of any of the edge rushers in Indianapolis (11 feet).
Unlike Diaby, McDonald is a fit for teams that run a 3-4 defense. At 6-4, 239 pounds, he has to get better as a run defender. But his upside as a pass-rusher means he has plenty of suitors in the NFL.
Projection: McDonald is my third-ranked OLB. I projected him to go at No. 31 overall to the Chiefs in my two-round mock draft, although he could go a little higher.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 08:22:59 AM
The presumption going forward would be that JFM fills the other DT spot while JJ steps into JFM's role and McDonald gets JJ's role from last season.
The biggest loser here is probably Bryce Huff. Maybe the Jets look to move him or Lawson before the end of the draft...
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2023, 08:39:33 AM
It was pretty clear Joe was trying to trade down once we got jumped. It just didn't work out so they probably took Ulbrich's top guy.
I've always been anti-defensive HC because they always overvalue defense in a league that favors high-powered offense. That said, I'm not having much of a reaction either way about this. Just hoping we see a huge investment on the offense the rest of the draft.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 08:39:52 AM
The biggest loser here is probably Bryce Huff. Maybe the Jets look to move him or Lawson before the end of the draft...
Huff's ceiling is as a situational pass rusher. His RFA tender was always going to be the last contract the Jets give him.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 08:42:59 AM
When they showed the draft room last night, Saleh and Ulbrich looked pretty hyped.
It was pretty clear Joe was trying to trade down once we got jumped. It just didn't work out so they probably took Ulbrich's top guy.
I've always been anti-defensive HC because they always overvalue defense in a league that favors high-powered offense. That said, I'm not having much of a reaction either way about this. Just hoping we see a huge investment on the offense the rest of the draft.
The other side of this argument is that the best way to beat most offenses is to get after their quarterback. If there's no one available to protect yours, hit theirs.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 08:48:58 AM
The other side of this argument is that the best way to beat most offenses is to get after their quarterback. If there's no one available to protect yours, hit theirs.
Best backup plan available.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2023, 08:51:11 AM
The other side of this argument is that the best way to beat most offenses is to get after their quarterback. If there's no one available to protect yours, hit theirs.
Yeah, that was the argument made on ESPN last night. I'm fine with it. No strong feelings either way. I really wanted a tackle in the first, it didn't work out, so hopefully this made a very good defense better. I'll only be pissed if they don't put some investment on the OL the rest of the weekend.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 08:56:05 AM
Edit: presented by some dude who is a turd on Twitter.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 08:56:33 AM
https://youtu.be/psNjCYBQhdg (https://youtu.be/psNjCYBQhdg)
oh no, the racist Australian dude
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 08:59:37 AM
oh no, the racist Australian dude
Wait, what? I don’t even remember hearing about this channel before.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 09:08:44 AM
Wait, what? I don’t even remember hearing about this channel before.
Luke Grant is a turd on Twitter.
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Box score scoutingI mentioned what the system asked him to do. Still when you're a pass rush specialist that's relevant.
Plenty of other valid points.
Solid player we all know it. Again just upset . And I'm not buying the "hype" in the room. They clearly wanted to trade out and couldn't so they went BPA on their board
Again I'll have to remind myself Lawson and huff are likely not on the roster next yr and we won't have a 1st . So it makes a little more sense. But in gonna have to retire from this thread until he turns Tuas brains into banana pudding .
Also need to remind myself this class was cheeks overall so no point in dwelling on this
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 09:22:10 AM
oh no, the racist Australian dudeLol what's his deal
Post by: insanity on April 28, 2023, 09:25:05 AM
The presumption going forward would be that JFM fills the other DT spot while JJ steps into JFM's role and McDonald gets JJ's role from last season.Tanzel Smart played some good snaps last year maybe they have confidence in him. We've always done well developing late picks and udfa dts. Could Johnathon Marshall make an appearance?
I also wonder if michael Clemons rotates inside moore.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 09:29:11 AM
I mentioned what the system asked him to do. Still when you're a pass rush specialist that's relevant.
The system didn't ask him to just rush the passer, so labeling him a "pass rush specialist" is simply not it.
34 sacks, 10 forced fumbles. Opposing coaches voted him Co-Defensive Player of the Year and First Team All-Conference.
There's ways to criticize this pick without bringing stats into it. He's a very productive player. Maybe he's not a need we wanted to see addressed early, but Lawson is our best edge player and he only had 7 sacks in 2022. We need help outside.
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The calls for offensive line at 15 do not make any sense because all of the top prospects were gone and another OT didn't go until 27 (and the team that took him moved back).
The other option was a slot receiver that barely played any football in 2022. JSN would've been fun, but I can use the same "snap count" arguments against him: he's not getting targets over Wilson and Lazard as a rookie.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 09:29:30 AM
Could Johnathon Marshall make an appearance?
He's on the Steelers
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 10:00:18 AM
JSN would have been fine because there is an opening to be our WR2 if he's better than Lazard and Davis, and Davis and Hardman are likely gone next season. Of course, we'd probably cut Davis in this scenario.
But you can make the same argument for edge. We have a bunch of good edges, but we don't really have that star pass rusher. Huff is the closest thing, but for whatever reason, the Jets don't feel he should play that many snaps. So he's probably gone next year.
Putting a stud athlete in our wide-9 alignemnt is exciting to me. I worry about his run defense preventing him from being an every-down player, but we rotate so much where he shouldn't need to be one. And he showed his versatility in college playing inside some and standing up some.
Maybe he's a reach, but if he can get after the QB on 3rd down, then I don't care that much. Time will tell.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 10:01:43 AM
WR was not at the top of our board.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2023, 10:03:47 AM
We aren't paying Lazard $11M to be a backup. He's starting. Rodgers definitely want him in NY.
WR was not at the top of our board.
Offense better be at the top of our board today....and by offense, i mean oline. Preferably someone versatile.
Avila (G/C)
Bergeron (Guard/Tackle)
Post by: Cane on April 28, 2023, 10:22:55 AM
I didn’t have him at or near the top of the edge rankings, but I do think he’s a top 2 round player. I said here somewhere that after like pick 7 or 8, the talent from there to the late 30s is all pretty much the same.
Personally, I don’t like taking him over Nolan Smith, who, despite being smaller, plays a more physical game and is more versatile. I get why Saleh likes him more because he always prioritizes length in his defenders.
McDonald bookends well with Jermaine who is a more complete end than a pure passrusher, of which we really only have Huff on the edge. None of Lawson, Clemons, or JFM are built to just pin their ears back. JFM almost has to be a largely interior player considering what we have, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a IDL still prioritized.
He’ll need time to develop his body and his play strength. A lot of people just can’t do that, just like you can’t make a guy more twitchy/bendy. I see great athletic potential and he has natural stuff as a passrusher that can’t be taught, but whether he can he be a guy you can rely on every down, I don’t know. That guy I. rd 2, cool; that guy in round 1 is always scary.
He will absolutely help us this year as a rotation guy.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2023, 10:28:27 AM
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Rich Cimini
12h
This is rather remarkable: Only 2 Iowa State players have been drafted in the top 40 overall in the last 30 years:
DE Will McDonald, 15th tonight
RB Breece Hall (36th pick last year) #Jets
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 10:30:33 AM
We haven't had a double digit edge rusher in a long time. Maybe that's McDonald, maybe JJ makes a leap. Saleh believes you can never have enough pass rushers.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 28, 2023, 10:31:00 AM
Sources with NFL teams were not surprised that Alabama running back Jahmyr Gibbs went as a top-20 pick, because they viewed Gibbs as one of the few players with an elite grade in the 2023 NFL Draft. Interestingly, sources with the Jets say their team was planning on taking Gibbs with the 15th pick. They felt he was too much of a playmaker to pass on, and he would have been a tremendous receiving back for Aaron Rodgers to work with. Gibbs also is a very good pass blocker who could have helped the aging quarterback. The Jets took Breece Hall in the second round last year, but Hall is coming off a serious injury, and having a potent rushing attack with a two-headed monster would obviously have helped the Jets set up good down-and-distance situations for Rodgers. After the Lions took Gibbs with the 12th pick and the offensive linemen went off the board, the Jets felt that Will McDonald was the best value available and could help them field a dangerous edge rush group.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 10:32:36 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 28, 2023, 10:39:58 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
If we would've taken Gibbs at 15...
*14 Reasons Why
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
Walter has typically been pretty good at draft nuggets for betting info. I think he has some sources. Is this BS? We'll never know. I don't trust his scouting reports on players, but I think his rumors are better than a lot of other random Draft Twitter folks.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 28, 2023, 10:57:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 11:08:36 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 11:10:48 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2023, 11:29:18 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 11:30:53 AM
Another report that we were on Gibbs.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2023, 11:39:32 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 11:46:52 AM
If we took Gibbs at 15 I would have broken something so perhaps this was for the best.It's not Hackenberg level, but it would have really shaken my confidence in Douglas.
Post by: Jumbo on April 28, 2023, 11:50:15 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 12:14:41 PM
If we would've taken Gibbs at 15...As much as I've complained, I'll take mcdonald over Gibbs
Jesus lol
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 12:15:30 PM
I am very glad that Detroit grabbed Gibbs at 12 then.Amen
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2023, 12:49:23 PM
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
In the PFF podcast they LOVED the pick. They say he was EDGE number 2 in the draft behind Will Anderson and the best pure pass rusher of his class. They talk about him as the second coming of Bruce Smith. They loved the situation he’s arriving to. It’s like they read our board and said exactly the opposite. After working until 6 am last night with this excrement, it made my morning. Don’t know if they’re right but I choose to believeEven on /r/NFL it seemed like the reaction was "oh I had him mocked in the late first" and not "I'm going to kill myself and everyone around me."
In case you want to listen https://open.spotify.com/episode/0BXktYyWCNy397BFvd4R7L?si=e-a2k9jgTJu4ENcG8PuzjQ&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A4MbTiG4xcKINxa3Pd5OIKu
It comes around the 1:05:00 mark
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2023, 12:54:51 PM
Will McDonald had a sack... ee i ee i oAnd on that sack was his dong...ee i ee i o
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 01:19:12 PM
The most striking thing about this pick to me is that none of Douglas' previous picks really felt like reaches at the time with a couple exceptions, Zuniga and Clemons, who were both also edge guys.It seems like for years our round 1 boards fell exactly how we hoped they would. Cant remember the last time we were boxed out of our obvious targets quite like this.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
Even on /r/NFL it seemed like the reaction was "oh I had him mocked in the late first" and not "I'm going to kill myself and everyone around me."He was like a -300 favorite to go round 1. Nobody had him at 15 but nobody would have said a word nationally if we picked him at like 22.
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 01:21:22 PM
The most striking thing about this pick to me is that none of Douglas' previous picks really felt like reaches at the time with a couple exceptions, Zuniga and Clemons, who were both also edge guys.Just a mid tier draft class
Like Cane said after the first 12 to 14 every guy into the mid 40s is roughly the same level or grade
And I agree.
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2023, 01:40:29 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 28, 2023, 01:43:40 PM
WMD
Oh boy I already know what I'm yelling if he gets to the quarterback.
"WMD'S GOT THEM WMD'S!
Long live The Wire.
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2023, 02:06:02 PM
Oh boy I already know what I'm yelling if he gets to the quarterback.
"WMD'S GOT THEM WMD'S!
Long live The Wire.
Spider bags
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2023, 02:30:54 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Would we have still made this pick if we didn't give 13 away?Lol no
It's why it took the whole clock. They tried to trade and then had an internal discussion about their board when no trade down was available
But he was most def the BPA on their board given how the first 14 fell
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 02:43:00 PM
4i to Wide 9. They're just gonna ask him to hunt QBs
Just need him to not be a liability in run D or go get a run stopper off ball backer to pick up the slack
If he can put on 15 or 20 and maintain that as actual game weight could be deadly .
Well either way what's done is done . At the very least we know who ever is rushing will be 100% at all times .
Guess they've decided they're unhappy with the unit production and want more fresh snaps
I'd prefer to hear them moving JFM inside. Too many mouths . Kids gotta eat to develop . Applies to a few DE on our roster
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Won't matter much if he's up Josh Allen and Tuas derriere all day
Post by: Jumbo on April 28, 2023, 02:57:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 03:20:55 PM
https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/de
Derek Barnett, Marcus Davenport, Jaelen Phillips, and Rashan Gary are pass rushers that went in the same range.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2023, 03:21:49 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 03:22:55 PM
Brian Burns went 16th overall. Saleh and Douglas compared them last night.Burns is stronger imo especially once engaged
This kids got more fluid hips for dip and rips and spins though
Time will tell
Post by: insanity on April 28, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
We'll need to work on that...
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2023, 04:01:45 PM
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2023, 04:37:00 PM
WMDI'm all in on WMD
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2023, 07:43:54 PM
Me on Friday every single year:
Actually I Love this pick. Never doubted him
Hello again my old friend
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2023, 07:44:16 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2023, 07:45:20 PM
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1652040157707599872?s=20
Woody missed a massive opportunity here by not wearing a Tech Fleece jumpsuit
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 09:51:41 PM
Twitter did not like this quote.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2023, 10:35:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1651776956717727744?s=20 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1651776956717727744?s=20)
Twitter did not like this quote.
I don’t disagree, but this is also how we ended up drafting 7 1st round iDL in a row
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2023, 10:36:50 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2023, 10:40:24 PM
https://twitter.com/D7_Reed/status/1652014451690979328 (https://twitter.com/D7_Reed/status/1652014451690979328)
Dude is awesome. That is all
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2023, 10:44:10 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2023, 09:21:11 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2023, 09:22:51 AM
I've heard McDonald comp'd to Leonard Floyd so I'm wondering if the long-term plan is to use him at linebacker in base as a means to get him on the field on early downs while using him as an edge rusher in passing situations.
He fits perfectly into the LEO role that was used in Seattle and Jacksonville when Saleh was there.
Bruce Irvin is the best comp I've seen.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2023, 09:23:44 AM
He fits perfectly into the LEO role that was used in Seattle and Jacksonville when Saleh was there.
Bruce Irvin is the best comp I've seen.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2023, 11:39:55 AM
Post by: casman02 on April 30, 2023, 07:59:06 AM
7. The Jets’ first-rounder, Will McDonald IV, was the flip side of Levis in terms of being a guy who the coaches privately were higher on than the mock drafts seemed to be. He went No. 15 overall, and if he’s as good as some NFL coaches and coaches who faced Iowa State think, New York fans will love him.
“The way he turns the corner is incredible,” a coach told The Athletic this spring. “He’s so loose and has good pass rush moves. I think he just played so hard. He doesn’t have the same traits, but he was a more productive player than (Tyree) Wilson. They asked him to do some things you don’t usually see from guys that size — playing in the B-gap or being a 4i. They asked him to do a lot for them. He played the run way better this year than a year ago. Every year we played him he got better.”
McDonald is lighter than most coaches would want — he weighed in at 239 at 6-4 in Indy, but he has almost 35-inch arms and was a fixture on the Freaks List the past few years.
An NFL D-line coach we talked to last week was even more effusive about him. “He’s probably the most twitchy guy in the whole D-line group,” the coach said. “You can’t teach that kind of bend. He’s very much like Haason Reddick and Brian Burns.”
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2023, 10:00:29 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 30, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2023, 04:34:21 PM
Here's hoping Saleh knows his pass rushers and got us a steal. Coaches were clearly much higher on him than the draft community.
Traits wise he has almost everything you want, extremely long, elite freakish athlete, high level production owning the b12 career sack record over Von Miller while having a down year due to playing out of position in a scheme that won’t utilize him like we will. If this dude was 279 instead of 239 I imagine he’d be talked about like Myles Garrett was. Here’s hoping that they can get production out of him similar to guys he has been comped to in Brian Burns, Randy Gregory, Bruce Irvin and Hassan Reddick
We may have a lot of edge guys in our rotation but we don’t have a dominant guy who can get 12-15 sacks a year. Can you imagine if McDonald could be that with Quinnen in the middle? Good freaking lord…
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2023, 04:40:53 PM
Traits wise he has almost everything you want, extremely long, elite freakish athlete, high level production owning the b12 career sack record over Von Miller while having a down year due to playing out of position in a scheme that won’t utilize him like we will. If this dude was 279 instead of 239 I imagine he’d be talked about like Myles Garrett was. Here’s hoping that they can get production out of him similar to guys he has been comped to in Brian Burns, Randy Gregory, Bruce Irvin and Hassan ReddickThat's why I'm fine with the pick. We make Bryce Huff out to be a god here. Huff is good, but McDonald should have a chance to be better.
We may have a lot of edge guys in our rotation but we don’t have a dominant guy who can get 12-15 sacks a year. Can you imagine if McDonald could be that with Quinnen in the middle? Good freaking lord…
Saleh's defense is built around the pass rush. We still don't have a prominent edge rusher who scares teams, unless you count Huff on 3rd and long. Maybe McDonald can be that guy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2023, 11:24:13 PM
Sorry for the source but this might provide positional clarity
I instantly thought he was a fit for wide 9
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2023, 06:58:14 AM
Bruce Irvin floor aldon Smith ceiling
Unless he just decides to be Aaron maybin
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 12:05:52 PM
After watching more film I'll sayAaron Maybin is the floor. He popped up as an athletic comp, too.
Bruce Irvin floor aldon Smith ceiling
Unless he just decides to be Aaron maybin
However, the fact that he held his own as a DT at Iowa State at times makes me optimistic he won't get bullied all the time.
Post by: reuben on May 01, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Aaron Maybin is the floor. He popped up as an athletic comp, too.
However, the fact that he held his own as a DT at Iowa State at times makes me optimistic he won't get bullied all the time.
I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't one of Maybin's problems that he had precisely no bend? Straight line speed like a Ferrari, turned corners like a tractor trailer?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2023, 12:22:11 PM
I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't one of Maybin's problems that he had precisely no bend? Straight line speed like a Ferrari, turned corners like a tractor trailer?
Maybin was just all speed/motor. He couldn't break blocks or beat anyone inside. Zero pass rushing moves.
McDonald seems to have more in his bag than I originally thought. His spin move is being compared to Dwight Freeney's which is some of the best praise a pass rusher can receive.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2023, 01:09:44 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 01:23:54 PM
Maybin was just all speed/motor. He couldn't break blocks or beat anyone inside. Zero pass rushing moves.In one of the interviews I saw, he said he learned it from Maxx Crosby film, thinking he could add it to his bag, and that it was new for 2022.
McDonald seems to have more in his bag than I originally thought. His spin move is being compared to Dwight Freeney's which is some of the best praise a pass rusher can receive.
I'm a little surprised he wasn't considered a higher pick by draft analysts. I admit I did no work on edge rushers. But he's got the athleticism. He has every measurable you would want except weight, but the weight doesn't matter as much in every scheme. He's versatile. Yes, he's older, but he broke out when he was young, and he's still relatively new to football, so he might have more upside than his age would indicate. And he's very productive, and you can clearly attribute his usage as to why his production dipped as a 5th-year.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2023, 01:53:50 PM
In one of the interviews I saw, he said he learned it from Maxx Crosby film, thinking he could add it to his bag, and that it was new for 2022.
I'm a little surprised he wasn't considered a higher pick by draft analysts. I admit I did no work on edge rushers. But he's got the athleticism. He has every measurable you would want except weight, but the weight doesn't matter as much in every scheme. He's versatile. Yes, he's older, but he broke out when he was young, and he's still relatively new to football, so he might have more upside than his age would indicate. And he's very productive, and you can clearly attribute his usage as to why his production dipped as a 5th-year.
Age had a lot to do with the draft community's evaluation of him, I think. He's weight is also concerning. Saleh thinks he can pack on pounds with professional nutrition/workout plan in place now. 245-250 is reasonable for him.
He went around where most pass rushers in his range typically go. Irvin, Burns, Phillips - really good prospects that went in the teens.
Everyone understands why Will Anderson went #3.
Tyree Wilson is a H/W/S prospect that never really had elite production. McDonald outperformed him in the same conference. Wilson also isn't a young prospect. He'll be 23 when the season starts.
Van Ness seems like the ideal fit in Saleh's scheme, but we already have Mike Clemons and JFM to play that heavy end role. It sounds to me like Saleh really want that true, bendy speed rusher in his unit.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2023, 10:30:33 PM
Maybin was just all speed/motor. He couldn't break blocks or beat anyone inside. Zero pass rushing moves.Oh I was joking about maybin . Lol
McDonald seems to have more in his bag than I originally thought. His spin move is being compared to Dwight Freeney's which is some of the best praise a pass rusher can receive.
Maybin might as well have been a freaking amputee
McDonald is far more active with his hands and actually makes OL reset and counters with another rip or spin
Good stuff to see
And the bend is freaky Aldon Smith esque with the frame
Just gotta keep the hands active and not get beat at point of attack and this kid will push pockets all day out wide
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 02, 2023, 07:40:58 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBGqOPw1Cs&t=1230s
In the latest MTS podcast, DJ shares that he learned NYJ was taking McDonald even if Broderick Jones was on the board
Post by: insanity on May 02, 2023, 09:04:41 AM
In the latest MTS podcast, DJ shares that he learned NYJ was taking McDonald even if Broderick Jones was on the boardThought was interesting also. A few days later I feel much better about this draft. This team doesn't have many holes, we didn't have much capital and the draft was quite mediocre. Given that context I think it's okay to walk away feeling we didn't get much better, right now.
As always time will tell.
Hopefully we can trade Bryce hall and denzel mims for a few bags of chips as the offseason progresses
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 02, 2023, 09:16:26 AM
In the latest MTS podcast, DJ shares that he learned NYJ was taking McDonald even if Broderick Jones was on the boardThat would make swapping 13 and 15 make more sense if we were always on McDonald.
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2023, 09:19:22 AM
That would make swapping 13 and 15 make more sense if we were always on McDonald.
Sounds more like a retcon. We had no way of knowing that the Steelers would trade up ahead of us, and they wouldn't have done that if they didn't think there was a decent chance we were going to take Jones.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 02, 2023, 09:42:27 AM
Sounds more like a retcon. We had no way of knowing that the Steelers would trade up ahead of us, and they wouldn't have done that if they didn't think there was a decent chance we were going to take Jones.We will never know, and it very well could be damage control. But I didn't think it was a mortal lock we were going OL given Brown, Mitchell and Becton being here already. And if we were truly sold on a top-4 OT, I think we would have given Green Bay a later pick instead of a pick swap. It also could make sense that the Jets would be looking to trade back a little more.
Post by: insanity on May 02, 2023, 11:35:35 AM
Sounds more like a retcon. We had no way of knowing that the Steelers would trade up ahead of us, and they wouldn't have done that if they didn't think there was a decent chance we were going to take Jones.We had no way of knowing but we could be pretty damn sure we donald would be there at 15
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 02, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
Just tell everyone you got the guy you always wanted. Harmless lie.
Given how long they took to make the pick, they must have been trying to trade out.
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2023, 08:25:11 AM
Post by: delavan on May 05, 2023, 09:42:37 AM
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Actually that was a pretty cool story about our would be hoops star
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2023, 07:59:46 AM
Post by: insanity on May 31, 2023, 06:29:24 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/7DcuEg3Oxcw?feature=share
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 09, 2023, 04:00:51 PM
Post by: Badger on July 19, 2023, 07:01:40 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1681634613683208193?t=0U6uaanEZsBbcKsztXMtJQ&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on July 19, 2023, 07:16:51 AM
Agreed to terms
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1681634613683208193?t=0U6uaanEZsBbcKsztXMtJQ&s=19
In case you're too lazy to click the link....Joe Tippmann also signed his deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2023, 03:25:01 PM
This spin move has me feeling things
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2023, 03:25:12 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 04, 2023, 03:40:31 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1687287458239520769?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This spin move has me feeling things
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1687486861260804096?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
It's going to be a lot of fun watching this happen this season. Especially if we start playing with leads more consistently.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 04, 2023, 03:44:22 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on August 13, 2023, 02:03:46 PM
I can't believe Iowa State used him in a three man front.I'm glad they did...or he probably goes in the top 10.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 13, 2023, 02:31:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2023, 06:59:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 26, 2023, 12:57:22 PM
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Where's Will? At his current pace, defensive end Will McDonald IV will become the Jets' first first-round pick since Vernon Gholston in 2008 to play under 200 defensive or offensive snaps in his rookie season.
McDonald said this is "not exactly" the way he imagined his first season, but it's important to remember the circumstances. Yes, he was a high draft pick -- 15th overall -- but he was added to a talented defensive line. Basically, he's the fifth man in a five-man rotation at defensive end, which explains his meager snap total -- only 101 in nine games. (He missed one game with an injury, another as a healthy scratch.)
The Jets had bigger needs on draft day, but there were two factors that led them to McDonald: General manager Joe Douglas believes in taking the best player available, and Saleh likes to stockpile defensive linemen for his vaunted rotation. The downside is that McDonald is missing out on valuable experience and the team isn't getting much return on its investment.
New York employed a similar approach last season with 2022 first-round pick Jermaine Johnson, a rotational piece on the defensive line, but at least he finished with 316 defensive snaps. That provided a foundation for him to make a huge improvement in Year 2.
For his part, McDonald insisted that he's not frustrated and that he has no problem waiting his turn.
"I don't really want to rush things, but I know that I can make a lot of impact," he told ESPN. "We've got a lot of dudes in the room that can impact the game, so it's really just like whenever each of us get our opportunities, we just have to ball out."
Of the 31 first-round picks in 2023, only one has played fewer snaps on offense or defense than McDonald -- Philadelphia Eagles linebacker Nolan Smith (61 snaps). That he was picked 30th overall by the defending NFC champions has made it tough to see the field.
Maybe he’ll turn out a good player but this was an atrocious use of a 1st round draft pick in an all in year
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2023, 01:18:32 PM
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 01:40:38 PM
Maybe he’ll turn out a good player but this was an atrocious use of a 1st round draft pick in an all in yearAt least someone gets it lol
I love the player but in the other thread I've made my case .
Again hes got an Aldon Smith ceiling . But he needs to reach it to justify the misuse of resources and OL neglect
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2023, 09:18:08 AM
https://x.com/richcimini/status/1740704960021721441?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Same excrement happened to JJ last season
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2023, 09:18:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2023, 09:40:44 AM
Best framing of this pick is to avoid paying a developed, proven player in Bryce Huff and let him walk in FA, which would probably be a mistake in and of itself.
I'm all for re-signing Huff, but let's see how much cash he's looking for. There is a freak-off price eventually, and if I were him, I'd strike while the iron's hot and take the biggest offer wherever.
We have his replacement waiting hopefully (McDonald), and we certainly have bigger needs on this team on which to spend cash. I'm fine if he walks if he's looking to get paid like a top 5 pass rusher. I'd like to keep him, but there's a limit. It's equally possible he could go somewhere else and get 15 sacks a year or get re-signed for a huge deal here and get 8 sacks a year. Either way, we'd be pissed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2023, 10:02:03 AM
The time to extend him was early in the season. We didn't. He's now going to get more money than we should be paying. Enough cash has gone into this defense. It's time to allocate money to offense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Post by: Jumbo on December 29, 2023, 10:05:25 AM
^This is where I've been for weeks.
The time to extend him was early in the season. We didn't. He's now going to get more money than we should be paying. Enough cash has gone into this defense. It's time to allocate money to offense.
*JD signs Curtis Samuel to a $15M AAV deal*
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 29, 2023, 05:14:43 PM
Also, they should just bring him back. They can resign him and still help the offense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2024, 04:32:58 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2024, 04:36:21 PM
https://x.com/nyjetstfmedia/status/1693783542419878135?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Hnggg
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2024, 04:50:19 PM
https://x.com/snyjets/status/1742651848408895562?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
That snippet makes it sound like he doesn’t care and that’s not what JJ said at all
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2024, 05:03:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2024, 05:08:48 PM
It's not his fault Flacco fumbled the ball before he got to him.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2024, 03:37:23 PM
Will McDonald had 3