Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: MBGreen on March 24, 2023, 12:51:05 PM
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Matt Zenitz
@mzenitz
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The New York #Jets have scheduled a pre-draft top-30 visit with UAB running back DeWayne McBride, a source tells @on3sports.
McBride led the nation with 1,713 rushing yards last season.
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Please draft another back
Smart to evaluate a prospect like McBride that had a lot of production/success but couldn't participate in the combine.
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He did virtually nothing in the passing game at UAB. Unsure about his ability to pass protect.
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He did virtually nothing in the passing game at UAB. Unsure about his ability to pass protect.
Do we think he’s a 7th-UDFA kinda guy? So many capable backs this year in that 4-7th round range.
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Do we think he’s a 7th-UDFA kinda guy? So many capable backs this year in that 4-7th round range.
He's a mid-round prospect. He had really good production and scored a lot of TDs.
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Also wasnt it reported that we had a top 30 visit with John Michael Schmitz as well?
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Also wasnt it reported that we had a top 30 visit with John Michael Schmitz as well?
Yes
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Brian Branch, Safety, Alabama (COM)
Julius Brents, Cornerback, Kansas State (COM)
Ji'Ayir Brown, Safety, Penn State (COM)
Bryce Ford-Wheaton, Wide Receiver, West Virginia (COM)
DeWayne McBride, Running Back, UAB (PRI)
Ventrell Miller, Inside Linebacker, Florida (PRO)
John Michael Schmitz^, Center, Minnesota (COM, PRI)
Mazi Smith, Defensive Tackle, Michigan (PRO)
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Bryce Ford-Wheaton is very similar to Lazard
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QB Aidan O'Connell
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Zack Rosenblatt
#Jets draft tidbit: They had dinner with USC DL Tuli Tuipulotu last week.
Potential second round target. Has flexibility to play inside and outside.
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Tuipulotu is an awesome player. I didn't like that he slimmed down for the combine. I think he's better off playing closer to 300 pounds in a role similar to JFM's.
If we can come out of this draft with Tuipulotu and Colby Wooden/Karl Brooks, we're set on the DL.
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https://twitter.com/DWyattHupton/status/1643162330132275200?t=wJDknQ7Gm6LCKDzGOPYa6w&s=19
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ECU RB Keaton Mitchell
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ECU RB Keaton Mitchell
Given the number of RBs we have met with, I’d be quite surprised if we don’t draft one at this point
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Given the number of RBs we have met with, I’d be quite surprised if we don’t draft one at this point
Mitchell has the skillset to be a fantastic return specialist too. If he slips into the 5th round, I think he's one of our top targets.
He's very different than McBride, who is surprisingly good in short yardage spots.
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LB Daiyen Henley is at Florham Park today
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https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1643631647735050241?t=XgpPAaVFOkmZTk6DMGiifQ&s=19
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LSU EDGE BJ Ojulari
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Boise State IDL Scott Matlock
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LB Daiyen Henley is at Florham Park today
He’s a stud. Getting him would be a coup for our LB corps. Could absolutely start immediately and take over for CJ in a year in the middle/as a leader of the D.
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https://twitter.com/jetsbyjack/status/1644544080595111936?t=rbnAhWuwak0Sd_7CDuktFw&s=19
I'm convinced one of our 2nd rounders will be used on this guy if he's still on the board...
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https://twitter.com/jetsbyjack/status/1644544080595111936?t=rbnAhWuwak0Sd_7CDuktFw&s=19
I'm convinced one of our 2nd rounders will be used on this guy if he's still on the board...
I think we'll need to move up into the first round to get him. We definitely should.
I like Joe Tippmann too, though I worry about the pad level of a 6'6" center.
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I think we'll need to move up into the first round to get him. We definitely should.
I like Joe Tippmann too, though I worry about the pad level of a 6'6" center.
Probably.
I like Tippmann too, and Steve Avila even more (cause of his versatility to play C and/or G). We should be able to land one of the 3 at 42.
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We should be able to land one of the 3 at 42.
This is where I'm at.
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I don't want Steve Avila because he sounds like an EDM DJ (mix of Steve Aoki and Avicii I guess) and it annoys me.
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I don't want Steve Avila because he sounds like an EDM DJ (mix of Steve Aoki and Avicii I guess) and it annoys me.
He's a very good olineman. And since his name annoys you, we better trade up for him.
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He's a very good olineman. And since his name annoys you, we better trade up for him.
I'm sure he is. Every year there are players I choose to dislike for spurious reasons and I see no reason to change that policy.
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I'm sure he is. Every year there are players I choose to dislike for spurious reasons and I see no reason to change that policy.
veto
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I don't want Steve Avila because he sounds like an EDM DJ (mix of Steve Aoki and Avicii I guess) and it annoys me.
steve avila is a very good sports name and should have no negative implications on his chances of making it in the nfl
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steve avila is a very good sports name and should have no negative implications on his chances of making it in the nfl
Amen brother
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steve avila is a very good sports name and should have no negative implications on his chances of making it in the nfl
He's clearly going to be on the molly every Saturday night and too loved up to destroy fat men at 1pm on a Sunday. Hard pass.
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Steve Avila would be a really good 2nd baseman or lefthanded reliever. Maybe a midfielder on the Seattle Sounders.
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Come on down to Avila Hyundai
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I’m still a Wypler fan myself. Maybe it’s the OSU thing, but I just feel like he could be a 5-8 year starter for us like Mangold was. We’ve also had pretty good luck with Ohio State guys over the years (daron Lee not withstanding)
Don’t get me wrong I think he’s at best OC 3 behind Tippman and JMS. But I still think he’s got a shot to be pretty good
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He's clearly going to be on the molly every Saturday night and too loved up to destroy fat men at 1pm on a Sunday. Hard pass.
Steve Avila would be a really good 2nd baseman or lefthanded reliever. Maybe a midfielder on the Seattle Sounders.
Come on down to Avila Hyundai
these 3 posts consecutively made me less and less confident in the carrying power of avila's name. thank you
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NC State IOL Chandler Zavala
LSU DB Jarrick Bernard-Converse
Douglas is prioritizing RAS again
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Zavala is a potential target in the second
JBC is likely a late rounder that has an ideal special teams skillset. He’s really fast and physical but not great in space. He’d be really good depth behind Sauce and Reed.
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Jarrick Bernard-Converse is definitely a Key & Peele name.
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Jarrick Bernard-Converse is definitely a Key & Peele name.
Jarrick Sports Carr
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Zavala is a potential target in the second
JBC is likely a late rounder that has an ideal special teams skillset. He’s really fast and physical but not great in space. He’d be really good depth behind Sauce and Reed.
Any thoughts behind trying to make JBC a safety?
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Any thoughts behind trying to make JBC a safety?
A Jarrick Bernard-Conversion?
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Alabama OT Tyler Steen
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Alabama OT Tyler Steen
Very good, underrated player. Took way too long for the draftnik world to catch up on him.
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A combine meeting, pro day meeting, top-30 visit, and private workout for John Michael Schmitz.
I think we like like this guy.
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A combine meeting, pro day meeting, top-30 visit, and private workout for John Michael Schmitz.
I think we like like this guy.
Good...can't wait to fire up the Schmitz Gay tribute thread
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A combine meeting, pro day meeting, top-30 visit, and private workout for John Michael Schmitz.
I think we like like this guy.
I don’t think it matters how much we like him. I would be floored if he’s on the board at 42 and I can’t see us as being in a position to realistically move up for him. If we take a C at 13 and he’s not a HOF player I think we are going to end up pretty frustrated overall. So I can’t see us making that move
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I can’t see us as being in a position to realistically move up for him.
We can, should, and will move up for him.
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We can, should, and will move up for him.
What are we trading to get in front of the Giants at 25? If we assume that ultimately all these Charles Robinson rumors are true and we give 42 or 43 for Rodgers along with a conditional next year, with no 3rd rounder, what is left to trade up with to go get JMS?
The best scenario I can see trade wise I mentioned yesterday, and involves not giving either 2 for Rodgers. Trading 42 and 43 to Cincy for 28 and 60. I just don’t know that is really going to be high enough to get JMS. I really think we have to jump the Giants for him
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If we assume that ultimately all these Charles Robinson rumors are true
There's your problem right there
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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UAB RB DeWayne McBride visits the #Jets today, per source.
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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Ohio State LT Paris Johnson is in Philly for a pre-draft visit with the #Eagles today and then heads up to see the #Jets tonight and tomorrow, sources say. He also visited the #AZCardinals last week. Lots of possible fits in the top 10-15 for the talented, well-rounded prospect.
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Are the visits over now? Anyone want to compile the final list?
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Here one site that says they’ve had 10 visits:
https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/04/17/ny-jets-top-30-visits-nfl-draft-2023/amp/
Per CBS Sports (only 6?)
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-draft-top-30-visits-tracker-hendon-hooker-meets-with-giants-will-levis-visits-falcons-bucs/amp/
New York Jets
QB Aidan O'Connell (Purdue)
WR Trey Palmer (Nebraska)
LB Ventrell Miller (Florida)
RB Keaton Mitchell (ECU)
OT Broderick Jones (Georgia)
LT Paris Johnson Jr. (Ohio State)
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please draft Keaton Mitchell
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We can, should, and will move up for him.
Trading up for a 24-year-old center doesn't seem like smart business, particularly when he's not even the consensus best player at his position. I'm expecting at least one of Tippmann and him to be available at our pick.
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Trading up for a 24-year-old center doesn't seem like smart business, particularly when he's not even the consensus best player at his position. I'm expecting at least one of Tippmann and him to be available at our pick.
Agree. Would opt for Joe Tippman (22 yrs.).
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Trading up for a 24-year-old center doesn't seem like smart business, particularly when he's not even the consensus best player at his position. I'm expecting at least one of Tippmann and him to be available at our pick.
I think he’s the consensus #1 center
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I think he’s the consensus #1 center
I've seen Tippmann ranked above him in a number of places. Daniel Jeremiah, for example, has him ranked 14 spots ahead of JMS on his big board.
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Trading up for a 24-year-old center doesn't seem like smart business, particularly when he's not even the consensus best player at his position. I'm expecting at least one of Tippmann and him to be available at our pick.
I couldn't care less that a first round lineman is 24 years old. What's the concern there, that he'll start to wear down early into his second contract? Who gives a freak?
If it were a running back, I'd be concerned that he'd wear out during his first five years. I'm also generally averse to taking older players late in the draft, because they'll need years to develop. But we've got a gaping hole on the roster right in front of the player some people expect will lead us to the promised land in the next two years. Motherfuck worrying about whether the best center in the draft is going to have an eight-year or ten-year career.
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Are the visits over now? Anyone want to compile the final list?
From walterfootball:
Jayson Ademilola, Defensive Tackle, Notre Dame (PRI)
Jarrick Bernard-Converse, Cornerback, LSU (PRI)
Brian Branch, Safety, Alabama (COM)
Julius Brents, Cornerback, Kansas State (COM)
Ji'Ayir Brown, Safety, Penn State (COM)
Sean Clifford, Quarterback, Penn State (LOC)
McClendon Curtis, Offensive Guard, Chattanooga (VIR)
Braeden Daniels, Offensive Guard, Utah (PRO)
Tommy Devito, Quarterback, Illinois (LOC)
Joey Fisher^, Offensive Tackle, Shepherd (PRO, PRI)
Bryce Ford-Wheaton, Wide Receiver, West Virginia (COM)
Anton Harrison, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma (PRI)
Daiyan Henley, Linebacker, Washington State (PRI)
Andrei Iosivas, Wide Receiver, Princeton (LOC)
Paris Johnson, Offensive Guard, Ohio State (PRI)
Broderick Jones, Offensive Tackle, Georgia (PRI)
Truman Jones, Defensive End, Harvard (WOR)
Brodric Martin, Defensive Tackle, Western Kentucky (WOR)
DeWayne McBride, Running Back, UAB (PRI)
Ventrell Miller, Inside Linebacker, Florida (PRO)
Reid Nickerson, Outside Linebacker, Yale (LOC)
B.J. Ojulari, Defensive End, LSU (PRI)
Trevor Reid, Offensive Tackle, Louisville (PRO)
Nick Saldiveri, Offensive Guard, Old Dominion (VIR)
John Michael Schmitz^, Center, Minnesota (COM, PRI, WOR, PRO)
Luke Schoonmaker^, Tight End, Michigan (PRO, PRI)
Mazi Smith, Defensive Tackle, Michigan (PRO)
Tyler Steen, Offensive Tackle, Alabama (PRI)
Jason Taylor, Safety, Oklahoma State (PRI)
Starling Thomas, Cornerback, UAB (PRO)
Tre Tucker, Wide Receiver, Cincinnati (PRO)
Carrington Valentine^, Cornerback, Kentucky (PRO, VIR)
Jake Witt, Offensive Tackle, Michigan Tech (VIR)
Owen Wright, Running Back, Monmouth (NJ) (LOC)
Chandler Zavala, Offensive Guard, N.C. State (PRI)
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It doesn't necessarily mean we haven't met with them, and even if we hadn't, it doesn't necessarily mean we wouldn't draft them, but I find the lack of quality interior linemen on that list to be suggestive. I truly believe we're not going to sit and wait to see which center falls to us on Friday.
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I couldn't care less that a first round lineman is 24 years old. What's the concern there, that he'll start to wear down early into his second contract? Who gives a freak?
If it were a running back, I'd be concerned that he'd wear out during his first five years. I'm also generally averse to taking older players late in the draft, because they'll need years to develop. But we've got a gaping hole on the roster right in front of the player some people expect will lead us to the promised land in the next two years. Motherfuck worrying about whether the best center in the draft is going to have an eight-year or ten-year career.
You misunderstood my referencing his age. It's not his long-term durability that I'm concerned about. Older players are generally less projectable/valuable than their younger counterparts. The most recent example that applies directly to us was when we chose Marcus Maye over Marcus Williams (I know, different position but I think it really exemplifies what I'm talking about). In this case, Tippmann is generally thought to be on par with JMS as a prospect but is two years younger so it's easier to project further development and a second contract. In general, I'm opposed to trading up for non-premium positions but especially when the player we're considering trading up for (or a comparable, younger one) could very easily be available when we pick.
If Joe Douglas believes that JMS is a significantly better prospect than Tippmann and a good enough one to justify trading up for despite his position and age, so be it, but it's a difficult argument for me to buy into and, for the record, if this was Linderbaum last year (who was the consensus #1 center prospect and generally thought to be one of the better ones in recent memory), I'd feel differently about this issue but still probably wouldn't want to trade up.
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You misunderstood my referencing his age. It's not his long-term durability that I'm concerned about. Older players are generally less projectable/valuable than their younger counterparts.
Are you suggesting that players drafted young get a boost of sorts in their professional development as they grow into peak physical maturity that older players already experienced during college? I can respect that, but I don't think the difference in value is as significant as you do.
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Are you suggesting that players drafted young get a boost of sorts in their professional development as they grow into peak physical maturity that older players already experienced during college? I can respect that, but I don't think the difference in value is as significant as you do.
Yes, I think it's enough to give one similarly rated prospect an edge over another (particularly at a position where there's already a difficult value proposition).
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/04/minnesota-c-john-michael-schmitz-receiving-lots-of-interest
fwiw: number of first rounds picks since 2000:
-Wisconsin 15
-Minnesota 3
JMSchmidt will probably be gone by 42/43 so Tippmann looks like the pick if JD goes IOL (unless somehow O’Cyrus Torrance…no, no way ..nvrmnd)
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please draft Keaton Mitchell
Do we need to draft him? Feels he might be a priority UDFA.
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Do we need to draft him? Feels he might be a priority UDFA.
Based on what?
He has elite speed, return ability, and he catches the ball as good as any back in this draft class. He'd be great value in the 4th round or later.
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Based on what?
He has elite speed, return ability, and he catches the ball as good as any back in this draft class. He'd be great value in the 4th round or later.
He's also about the same size as Greg Dortch (5'8" 179 vs 5'7" 175).
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He's also about the same size as Greg Dortch (5'8" 179 vs 5'7" 175).
This. I like Mitchell as a return guy/speed guy. I'm fine with him as a late-round pick, but he's so small. Him and Deuce Vaughn are two small guys that are great pass catchers that could be had late.
I just googled NFL 7-round mock and clicked the first one I saw (Chad Reuter), and he was a 7th-rd pick and the final RB taken in the draft.
I'm fine with Mitchell in the 5th or later. You're just taking flyers at that point anyway. But I would not be surprised if he's undrafted.