Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2023, 10:05:02 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2023, 10:16:04 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2023, 10:20:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2023, 10:36:56 AM
I can't wait to see how all 4 of us voteHaha
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2023, 10:46:14 AM
I can't wait to see how all 4 of us voteQuality over quantity
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2023, 10:54:19 AM
Quality over quantityI'll scrounge up some vcash to make it interesting.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 19, 2023, 01:27:18 PM
Without draft compensation...
1a. Rodgers
1b. Lamar
(gap)
2a. Carr
2b. Tannehill
3. Garoppolo
(gap)
4. Everyone else
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2023, 01:51:20 PM
Hard to answer this without seeing the salaries or draft picks involved.Who cares about salaries...it's not our money.
Without draft compensation...
1a. Rodgers
1b. Lamar
(gap)
2a. Carr
2b. Tannehill
3. Garoppolo
(gap)
4. Everyone else
Draft compensation is the factor.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 19, 2023, 01:58:11 PM
Who cares about salaries...it's not our money.There is a salary cap in the NFL. Draft compensation matters more, but Derek Carr is basically the 2023 Kirk Cousins. He'll guarantee you average QB play for top QB money. If you think that the rest of the roster is good enough to win a title with average QB play, you make the move.
Draft compensation is the factor.
I think we're good enough to be a playoff team with average QB play. I'm not sure if we're a legit Super Bowl contender.
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2023, 02:00:46 PM
There is a salary cap in the NFL. Draft compensation matters more, but Derek Carr is basically the 2023 Kirk Cousins. He'll guarantee you average QB play for top QB money. If you think that the rest of the roster is good enough to win a title with average QB play, you make the move.The NFL salary cap is massive and it will grow another 20+ million for this season. It's not like it's going to choke you out like the NHL salary cap.
I think we're good enough to be a playoff team with average QB play. I'm not sure if we're a legit Super Bowl contender.
I trust JD to handle the cap to the team's advantage.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 19, 2023, 03:25:49 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
There is a salary cap in the NFL. Draft compensation matters more, but Derek Carr is basically the 2023 Kirk Cousins. He'll guarantee you average QB play for top QB money. If you think that the rest of the roster is good enough to win a title with average QB play, you make the move.
I think we're good enough to be a playoff team with average QB play. I'm not sure if we're a legit Super Bowl contender.
That is well said. This isn't a deep playoff caliber team without an elite QB. We aren't the 49ers. We have a good defense, but there isn't depth. Imagine our defense if either of our corners misses time.
Look at the rosters of the Bills, 49ers, Chiefs, and Eagles. Now look at the Jets.
Last year's draft put us in a much better spot, but we don't have 4 picks in the top 36 this year. We don't have a ton of cap space this year.
Rodgers is the only possibly available QB that could get us near the Super Bowl. We'd have a fun season with Carr, Tannehill, and Jimmy G, but that's as far as it goes unless we get very fortunate with some low cost free agents and the top of our draft.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2023, 03:45:19 PM
Hard to answer this without seeing the salaries or draft picks involved.
Without draft compensation...
1a. Rodgers
1b. Lamar
(gap)
2a. Carr
2b. Tannehill
3. Garoppolo
(gap)
4. Everyone else
The only compensation that's a real question mark is Rodgers. And I think it's a reasonable assumption at this point that he will cost at least a 1st, and probably more than a 1st if this year's is off the table
Carr is a little bit of a contract question mark and takes some speculation. But I'd think he'll be in the conversation of Cousins and Dak
Which is absolutely more than he's worth
But he's also a UFA QB so you're going to pay a premium
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
That is well said. This isn't a deep playoff caliber team without an elite QB. We aren't the 49ers. We have a good defense, but there isn't depth. Imagine our defense if either of our corners misses time.
Look at the rosters of the Bills, 49ers, Chiefs, and Eagles. Now look at the Jets.
Last year's draft put us in a much better spot, but we don't have 4 picks in the top 36 this year. We don't have a ton of cap space this year.
Rodgers is the only possibly available QB that could get us near the Super Bowl. We'd have a fun season with Carr, Tannehill, and Jimmy G, but that's as far as it goes unless we get very fortunate with some low cost free agents and the top of our draft.
Teams like the 49ers and Rams have made the SB without elite QB play but they also tend to have stupid unrealistic dream teams with the best coaching in the league
The majority of other contenders tend to just be elite QB's with elite wideouts probably having 1st ballot HOFs at both.
For us to be a legit contender in the immediate near future I think we either need to end up with a MVP conversation Rodgers. Or just a good/very good QB with ridiculously elite wideout play.
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2023, 03:58:41 PM
We'll have like two actual days of cold next season so that probably won't be a factor unless the team relocates to Winnipeg for brand synergy.We will be 8-3 by the end of November and then the coldest winter in decades will set in over the US causing Carr to fall apart, lose the remaining 6 games, and we miss the playoffs by one game.
Just Jets things.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2023, 04:01:00 PM
Teams like the 49ers and Rams have made the SB without elite QB play but they also tend to have stupid unrealistic dream teams with the best coaching in the leagueI agree with dcm? excrement I'm wrong.
The majority of other contenders tend to just be elite QB's with elite wideouts probably having 1st ballot HOFs at both.
For us to be a legit contender in the immediate near future I think we either need to end up with a MVP conversation Rodgers. Or just a good/very good QB with ridiculously elite wideout play.
I think our best chance is with Rodgers having a good Rodgers season.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2023, 05:00:34 PM
I agree with dcm? excrement I'm wrong.
I think our best chance is with Rodgers having a good Rodgers season.
Rodgers unquestionably gives us the best shot at winning one in the next 2 years
But if we sign Carr we can afford to draft a slew of wideouts/OT/pass rushers while not worrying about having given all our picks away and not having the cap space to re sign some of our young talent. And we don't have to do any stupid desperation excrement to address QB in the immediate future
Rodgers gives us the best at winning it all in the next 2 years, but I think Carr gives us the best chance at winning one period, albeit over a 5-7 year timeline
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2023, 05:10:20 PM
Rodgers unquestionably gives us the best shot at winning one in the next 2 yearsThis presumes that there is a slew of good wideouts, OTs and pass rushers on the market for ua to throw money at, which is generally not the case.
But if we sign Carr we can afford to draft a slew of wideouts/OT/pass rushers while not worrying about having given all our picks away and not having the cap space to re sign some of our young talent. And we don't have to do any stupid desperation excrement to address QB in the immediate future
Rodgers gives us the best at winning it all in the next 2 years, but I think Carr gives us the best chance at winning one period, albeit over a 5-7 year timeline
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2023, 05:27:58 PM
This presumes that there is a slew of good wideouts, OTs and pass rushers on the market for ua to throw money at, which is generally not the case.
By afford I meant with all resources, which includes the draft
We'll be giving up prime picks for Rodgers, plus we'll obviously have to address the QB position essentially imminently with Rodgers.
With Carr you have more cap space, more draft picks, and can take our time evaluating more conservative options at QB. Which means we can focus on pass rushers, wideout, and tackles
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 19, 2023, 06:06:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2023, 06:29:41 PM
I want the best possible quarterback play over the next two years (Rodgers), which will hopefully allow us to win while developing a successor.
Wouldn't developing a successor involve having a successor to develop?
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2023, 10:34:19 AM
Tanny and Damien Woody on Rodgers vs Carr
TLDR both think Carr is the no-brainer better move
Post by: MBGreen on February 20, 2023, 10:35:56 AM
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/35701332They're both correct
Tanny and Damien Woody on Rodgers vs Carr
TLDR both think Carr is the no-brainer better move
Post by: Jumbo on February 20, 2023, 10:42:10 AM
I want the best possible quarterback play over the next two years (Rodgers), which will hopefully allow us to win while developing a successor.
Developing a successor is arguably a waste, even. Bucs spent a 2nd on Trask with Brady where they could have gotten a contributor, although how good Trask is remains to be seen.
I still think Rodgers is the better move, though. It's hard to see us being top competitors in the AFC with Carr even if you can add a bit more talent. I can see it with Rodgers.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2023, 10:42:10 AM
...but as we all know, they aren't both free agents.
We are not a QB away from a championship. We are maybe a QB away from competing for a playoff spot consistently.
Like Damien Woody said in that clip, what is a QB going to do for the Jets if we can't block for him? We need that #13 overall pick.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 10:50:08 AM
If you don't have some sort of solid clue you are high in the running for Rodgers, I don't think you can risk waiting around and getting stuck with Brissett or Mayfield.
The other concern is whether Carr is even significantly interested in playing for the Jets. Only the Jets know how things went on the visit this weekend. He might have just smiled and nodded and that's it. He might have jizzed in his pants when he met the front office and begged to sign here, who knows?
Another question is whether they think Carr is a significantly better option than Tannehill or Jimmy G. Tannehill may not even be an option at all since he isn't guaranteed to be released at all. Carr is younger than Tannehill, but if the salary is markedly higher for Carr, maybe he isn't that much more talented to justify it.
It's gonna be fun times the next few weeks. Lots of unanswered questions.
-Who do they prefer?
-Who do they think they have a good chance at getting?
-Do the Jets have any back channel info about interest from the QBs?
-Who is the favorite option after Carr and Rodgers?
-Who shot JR?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 10:55:46 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 20, 2023, 10:56:33 AM
If they were both free agents, Rodgers make the most sense based on familiarity with scheme plus the headlines that Woody wants to generate.I think we are an average QB from being a playoff team and a top QB from being a title team. If Rodgers can be a top-5 QB at this age, they can absolutely compete for a title. The roster has talent. Obviously, the OL will need to be fixed, but even if we only address Rodgers and the OL, we have a chance to win at a hgh level.
...but as we all know, they aren't both free agents.
We are not a QB away from a championship. We are maybe a QB away from competing for a playoff spot consistently.
Like Damien Woody said in that clip, what is a QB going to do for the Jets if we can't block for him? We need that #13 overall pick.
I'm fine with either Carr or Rodgers (or Tannehill). It's a tricky solution at QB, and it's hard to have a concrete answer of what I would want most without seeing the salaries and draft compensation.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 10:57:50 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 10:59:46 AM
I think we are an average QB from being a playoff team and a top QB from being a title team. If Rodgers can be a top-5 QB at this age, they can absolutely compete for a title. The roster has talent. Obviously, the OL will need to be fixed, but even if we only address Rodgers and the OL, we have a chance to win at a hgh level.
I'm fine with either Carr or Rodgers (or Tannehill). It's a tricky solution at QB, and it's hard to have a concrete answer of what I would want most without seeing the salaries and draft compensation.
Not to say that we don't need help on the OL, but having Rodgers under center will cover for some OL issues, seeing that he is smart enough to know what's coming and when to check down, throw it away, adjust to the coverage, etc. Those concepts have been foreign to us for a few years.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2023, 10:59:50 AM
I think we are an average QB from being a playoff team and a top QB from being a title team.
Yeah, I'm not that optimistic. We're not going to be as lucky defensively in 2023.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 11:03:45 AM
Yeah, I'm not that optimistic. We're not going to be as lucky defensively in 2023.I agree. We really got lucky on defense regarding injuries. We have no depth at corner and little talent at safety. We don't have the cap space to fix that, give Q a deal, and sign a vet QB...maybe we can do a little more if we cut Lawson altogether and roll with Jermaine at Edge, but I don't know if I'd do that.
Get a QB first and regroup from there. Nothing matters without a good QB. It's the fire closest to us that needs to be put out.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2023, 11:08:23 AM
We have no depth at corner and little talent at safety.
We're a lot deeper at corner than we have been in the past. At least our CB4 started actual games and didn't completely suck. I'm not worried about corner.
Sauce
Reed
Carter II
Hall
Safety is likely a position we'll upgrade in free agency or the draft.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 11:11:10 AM
We're a lot deeper at corner than we have been in the past. At least our CB4 started actual games and didn't completely suck. I'm not worried about corner.I figured they would cut Hall.
Sauce
Reed
Carter II
Hall
Safety is likely a position we'll upgrade in free agency or the draft.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2023, 11:11:44 AM
I figured they would cut Hall.
Why? He's inexpensive depth with starting experience
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 11:14:36 AM
Why? He's inexpensive depth with starting experienceMaybe you're right, but he is about $3 million on the cap this year and costs next to nothing to cut. I know they'd have to replace him though. Maybe I overestimated their dislike for him since he went from starter to damn near no interest in 1 off-season. Then again, he just got outplayed.
Post by: Johnny English on February 20, 2023, 11:16:51 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2023, 11:17:19 AM
Pretty sure Echols got most of the reps at dime / CB4 this past season.
Forgot about him. He's good too.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 11:20:12 AM
Pretty sure Echols got most of the reps at dime / CB4 this past season.We have him under contract for 2 more years cheap.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 20, 2023, 11:51:40 AM
Yeah, I'm not that optimistic. We're not going to be as lucky defensively in 2023.You might be right, but upgrading from bottom-5 QB play to QB play in the 14-18 range is probably worth several wins right there.
And if we get a guy like Aaron Rodgers, I think we can find some more veteran stopgaps than we would in a normal year, kind of like we did in 2010.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 11:55:01 AM
You might be right, but upgrading from bottom-5 QB play to QB play in the 14-18 range is probably worth several wins right there.Yep, being better on offense helps the defense just by keeping them off the field more.
And if we get a guy like Aaron Rodgers, I think we can find some more veteran stopgaps than we would in a normal year, kind of like we did in 2010.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 20, 2023, 11:59:39 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2023, 12:31:22 PM
I figured they would cut Hall.
You absolutely do not cut Hall
If he has no place here because this team has such incredible depth at corner, you trade him.
The guy might not be a legit starter, but he's young healthy quality depth with starting experience playing for almost free
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 12:34:35 PM
You absolutely do not cut HallHis cap number is $2.8 million. He isn't free. That isn't an exorbitant amount, but it isn't free.
If he has no place here because this team has such incredible depth at corner, you trade him.
The guy might not be a legit starter, but he's young healthy quality depth with starting experience playing for almost free
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 20, 2023, 01:44:42 PM
Rodgers < Carr + 13th Overall Pick
Yes.
Post by: delavan on February 20, 2023, 07:53:25 PM
Yes Rogers is Rogers and throws a beautiful ball and at first I wanted him but at nearing 40 years of age and with no real grasp of where this darkroom/weirdo’s head’s at is this vintage capable of winning a SB with a team only one year removed from having a bottom-ranked defense that still has a number of holes to fill (LB/S) not to mention an OT-strapped OL (i.e. Broderick Jones/another OL blue chipper)?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2023, 09:15:57 PM
Just how good was Rogers last year? When the Jets played the Packers earlier in the season the word was that Rogers hadn’t yet clicked with his new WRs (Watson/Doubs). Yet in that game while Zach Wilson ‘lit it up’ with a Justin Fields-like stat line of 10-18, 110 yds, 0 TDs, Rogers was 26-42, 246 yds, 1 TD and yet GB only scored 10 points (Jets 27-10).Before this year, Aaron Rodgers won the last 2 NFL MVP awards. Not 5 years ago, 1.
Yes Rogers is Rogers and throws a beautiful ball and at first I wanted him but at nearing 40 years of age and with no real grasp of where this darkroom/weirdo’s head’s at is this vintage capable of winning a SB with a team only one year removed from having a bottom-ranked defense that still has a number of holes to fill (LB/S) not to mention an OT-strapped OL (i.e. Broderick Jones/another OL blue chipper)?
Post by: Jumbo on February 20, 2023, 09:19:58 PM
Post by: delavan on February 21, 2023, 10:31:33 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1627790406434840580
On the other hand, right now at least we know Carr’s in play. While Rogers is the sexier option esp. vis-a-vis a QB-loaded AFC, “which Rogers” is it that’s out there?
https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/1627759996829335553
Post by: MBGreen on February 21, 2023, 10:39:24 AM
https://twitter.com/JetsAGNB/status/1628020916805414914?s=20
Post by: bojanglesman on February 21, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
If anyone has any doubts on Carr...this is a good listen.
https://twitter.com/JetsAGNB/status/1628020916805414914?s=20
The question is whether he is a playoff QB or Super Bowl QB. There are probably a few other QBs who can get this team to the playoffs. We may not be in a position to be picky about that.
Post by: MBGreen on February 21, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
The question is whether he is a playoff QB or Super Bowl QB. There are probably a few other QBs who can get this team to the playoffs. We may not be in a position to be picky about that.
The Jets are currently a "Beggars can't be choosers" franchise when it comes to the QB position. 4/5 of Jets Twitter doesn't understand this.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 21, 2023, 11:06:26 AM
The question is whether he is a playoff QB or Super Bowl QB. There are probably a few other QBs who can get this team to the playoffs. We may not be in a position to be picky about that.
He's materially better than anything we currently have or had in the past 20 years.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 21, 2023, 11:11:21 AM
The question is whether he is a playoff QB or Super Bowl QB. There are probably a few other QBs who can get this team to the playoffs. We may not be in a position to be picky about that.
He’s a substantially better QB than anyone we have had. Getting to the playoffs would be a huge step up for us.
The distinction I’m worried about is the cost for a QB vs. how long we actually get them. I don’t want to give up any premium picks for a QB that’ll only last us a couple of years.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 21, 2023, 11:17:03 AM
He’s a substantially better QB than anyone we have had. Getting to the playoffs would be a huge step up for us.
The distinction I’m worried about is the cost for a QB vs. how long we actually get them. I don’t want to give up any premium picks for a QB that’ll only last us a couple of years.
If those 2 years yield a Super Bowl, it's totally worth it, but that's never guaranteed no matter who you have at QB. We're talking about 3-5 decent shots vs 1-2 good shots. I think Carr is the more prudent choice.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 21, 2023, 11:55:46 AM
If those 2 years yield a Super Bowl, it's totally worth it, but that's never guaranteed no matter who you have at QB. We're talking about 3-5 decent shots vs 1-2 good shots. I think Carr is the more prudent choice.
Carr gives us more shots with the same QB and a better chance to reinforce the team. The OLine is hot garbage right now and we can’t rebuild that through just FA or the draft.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 21, 2023, 02:19:46 PM
He’s a substantially better QB than anyone we have had. Getting to the playoffs would be a huge step up for us.I think that distinction only really matters if we're giving up draft picks. If we're giving up picks, it absolutely matters how long Rodgers stays here.
The distinction I’m worried about is the cost for a QB vs. how long we actually get them. I don’t want to give up any premium picks for a QB that’ll only last us a couple of years.
If we're signing a FA, I don't care how long they are here. In fact, I'd almost prefer a shorter-term solution rather than have to commit a long-term deal to a quarterback we will probably want to replace as soon as his contract is over.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 21, 2023, 02:29:42 PM
I think that distinction only really matters if we're giving up draft picks. If we're giving up picks, it absolutely matters how long Rodgers stays here.
If we're signing a FA, I don't care how long they are here. In fact, I'd almost prefer a shorter-term solution rather than have to commit a long-term deal to a quarterback we will probably want to replace as soon as his contract is over.
Draft picks was the exact point.
As for replacing whichever QB we sign once their contract is over, the longer contract would be more beneficial given that the upcoming options are excrement and a longer term deal will allow us to wait for a better chance in the draft and allow them to sit and develop behind the vet.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 21, 2023, 04:48:48 PM
Interesting pitch. I'm not sure he can be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer without multiple Super Bowls or unless he just compiled absurd stats over a long period of time. But if you win one Super Bowl here, you may as well be a Hall of Famer for Jets fans.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 21, 2023, 04:51:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 21, 2023, 05:08:06 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 21, 2023, 06:28:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1628163450890338306
Interesting pitch. I'm not sure he can be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer without multiple Super Bowls or unless he just compiled absurd stats over a long period of time. But if you win one Super Bowl here, you may as well be a Hall of Famer for Jets fans.
If he plays 4 years in any (until he’s 35) at his current productive pace, and he wins us a ring, I’d wager he probably does make the HOF one day. If he plays until he’s 37 at his current stats rate, and wins a ring and pushes for a few deep postseason runs, I’d say he has as decent a shot as any other one ring QB who never won and MVP to be a first ballot HOF player.
Post by: Coach K on February 21, 2023, 08:16:39 PM
I hate Tedy BruschiHes the worst . Most pull the string on the back of tbe doll standard bs phrases and takes
Cliche on cliche and he says it like theyre these mind blowing realizations
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 21, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
Hes the worst . Most pull the string on the back of tbe doll standard bs phrases and takes
Cliche on cliche and he says it like theyre these mind blowing realizations
Maybe that stroke did more than we thought?
Post by: delavan on February 22, 2023, 08:02:02 AM
Post by: Coach K on February 22, 2023, 09:45:47 AM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1628238974362812416I think we already knew this
Hes had retirement in his back pocket in lieu of a no trade clause
I'm ay the point we make the full court press for Rodgers but if it bleeds into Carr actuallynmaking a decision you go with Carr
Not waiting months on Rodgers
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 22, 2023, 10:34:06 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 22, 2023, 11:24:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1628163450890338306
That was incredibly cringe.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 11:28:04 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 22, 2023, 11:35:33 AM
Imagine a QB saying he will retire if he gets treaded to any team but the JetsIt's called a LaMarcus Joyner.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 12:30:33 PM
It's called a LaMarcus Joyner.
Other than him not being a QB (or offensive player in general)
He did say that after having already been a member of the team.
So it's a bit different saying you don't want to hehe to pack up your whole family and move again (plus learn a new system etc etc)
Post by: MBGreen on February 22, 2023, 12:54:10 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 22, 2023, 05:04:28 PM
I hate Tedy Bruschi
him and ninkovich are the worst on espn.
every single segment becomes about the patriots somehow. patriots are always going to win. some team had some family member die off the field, let's somehow make it about the patriots. good player wants out of his current situation, let me tell you why he should go to the patriots and why the patriots are going to get him
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 22, 2023, 05:19:39 PM
https://twitter.com/CaliJets/status/1628419017882091520?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CaliJets/status/1628419017882091520?s=20)
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 22, 2023, 05:25:24 PM
At this point I’m just not going to believe anything being said about Aaron Rodgers until he’s traded/cut/signed by someone.
https://twitter.com/CaliJets/status/1628419017882091520?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CaliJets/status/1628419017882091520?s=20)
homie loves the attention lol. have a feeling that his retreat is only in part to get high on ayahuasca. 4 days of 'darkness' from him while he perceives the entire nfl world to be constantly contemplating what his next move will be? he lives for that excrement
Post by: Coach K on February 22, 2023, 05:26:34 PM
Full court press
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 22, 2023, 05:29:44 PM
freak him get Carr.
Full court press
My man!
Post by: MBGreen on February 22, 2023, 05:31:14 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 22, 2023, 05:33:25 PM
also, can we get a breakdown of the actual games and against what teams they were played? it comes off a lot different if he goes across the country to play brady and the pats in cold weather and does poorly (this is something that we would likely see with any QB, be it an east coast or west coast player) than if he goes to a team that's been bottom feeder for a while (e.g. us?) in the cold and still plays poorly. having that context would be nice
Post by: klaximilian on February 22, 2023, 06:03:16 PM
we keep getting the 'bad in cold weather' thing thrown around with carr, and it may be true. but would be helpful to see how other west coast quarterbacks fared comparatively during that same time period.
also, can we get a breakdown of the actual games and against what teams they were played? it comes off a lot different if he goes across the country to play brady and the pats in cold weather and does poorly (this is something that we would likely see with any QB, be it an east coast or west coast player) than if he goes to a team that's been bottom feeder for a while (e.g. us?) in the cold and still plays poorly. having that context would be nice
Re-watch the playoff game against the Bengals last year in Cincy. It wasn't bad at all in a high-pressure, cold weathered game.
Post by: klaximilian on February 22, 2023, 06:06:05 PM
At this point in his career, giving up an additional 10M in salary to help bring in more pieces around him when AR has already made a killing in career earinings is not out of the realm of a possibility.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 22, 2023, 06:19:55 PM
Post by: delavan on February 22, 2023, 06:24:48 PM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on February 22, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
If we miss out on Brissett because of this.....
LMAO
Post by: Coach K on February 22, 2023, 07:43:48 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2023, 08:02:27 PM
Re-watch the playoff game against the Bengals last year in Cincy. It wasn't bad at all in a high-pressure, cold weathered game.
Apparently he's only played something like 7 games in his career in temps below 35, and while his record is excrement it's a small enough sample size for me to not get too hung up on it. TBH, if he can win a significant majority of the 13 games a year we play in perfectly fine temperatures, I'm good with him handing the ball off 40 times and hoping the defense can carry him for the other 4.
FWIW - I'm on the Rodgers train if they don't send a 1st (they shouldn't) and restructure his contract to allow us to sign more pieces around him, which is what I heard he may want anyway.
At this point in his career, giving up an additional 10M in salary to help bring in more pieces around him when AR has already made a killing in career earinings is not out of the realm of a possibility.
..... but yeah, this is broadly where I'm at. I'll be very happy with Carr, but Rodgers is the guy I really want.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 22, 2023, 08:17:30 PM
I wouldn't even bother freaking around...just go sign Carr.
This has been my mindset for weeks.
I'll take Carr (even if he isn't "elite") over "maybe we can get [fill in with Rodgers or Lamar]!" or "even if we don't get [fill in] we can still get JimmyG or Tannehill, or Minshew, or re-sign White, or someone from the XFL will shake loose..."
Carr gets us more wins than this year. The defense could possibly carry us through January. I want to care about games that happen after Christmas again.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 22, 2023, 08:19:14 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 08:21:38 PM
That doesn't sound appealing to me at all.
The only restructuring we'd be doing with Rodgers is dragging out his massive cap hit over an eternity
He's already guaranteed the world, it's not like we're going to get him to give it back to us
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 22, 2023, 08:23:58 PM
The Packers will take over 40 million in dead money to trade Rodgers
And you guys think they'd be willing to restructure so they would take on even more?
What kind of drugs are you on
In fairness, Rodgers said he'd restructure to make a trade happen. That probably means he'd be willing to move money into the future where his new team would be on the hook rather than the Packers.
I still don't care. Dude can't even decide if he wants to play. Carr wants to win. Sign Carr.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 08:27:14 PM
In fairness, Rodgers said he'd restructure to make a trade happen. That probably means he'd be willing to move money into the future where his new team would be on the hook rather than the Packers.
I still don't care. Dude can't even decide if he wants to play. Carr wants to win. Sign Carr.
Yesh after J typed this I figured this might have been what he was referring to. This is still ridiculously unappealing. He's guaranteed the world and he's going to get it.
This shortsided excrement doesn't work for me. Especially when literally the only way we don't come close to losing this deal heavily is getting MVP performances of the dude
Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2023, 08:35:07 PM
In fairness, Rodgers said he'd restructure to make a trade happen. That probably means he'd be willing to move money into the future where his new team would be on the hook rather than the Packers.
How does this work? My understanding is that the Packers are on the hook for everything they've already paid him. If he stays that cap hit is spread over the length of his deal, if they trade him it all accelerates to this year. I don't think there's a way they can send any of that cap hit to his new team because he has already had the money. A restructure would just allow his new team to potentially kick some of the remaining can further down the road so they can strengthen right now and capitalise on his closing window.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 22, 2023, 08:39:15 PM
In fairness, Rodgers said he'd restructure to make a trade happen. That probably means he'd be willing to move money into the future where his new team would be on the hook rather than the Packers.I would rather have the guy with a proven track record of winning rather than the guy who "wants to win."
I still don't care. Dude can't even decide if he wants to play. Carr wants to win. Sign Carr.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 22, 2023, 08:47:47 PM
Carr can give us Super Bowl upside if we build a top 10 offensive line. But that's hard if you are giving Carr 40M. We would need Becton and the draft to help significantly right away.
Post by: MBGreen on February 22, 2023, 09:01:01 PM
I would rather have the guy with a proven track record of winning rather than the guy who "wants to win."Time for a little devils' advocate.
Rodgers comes off very disinterested and aloof. He's already won a title and has more than enough money. I don't trust him not to freak around on this...because imo, that's what he's been doing thus far. Plus, he's 40...not everyone who reaches 40 plays like Tom Brady.
Carr just seems hungry to win. He has the leadership and skillset to be successful. Plus our draft capital stays intact. We should go after him asap.
Also...Carr has a massive chip on his shoulder. Give me the guy who cares as opposed to the one sitting in a cave.
Post by: Coach K on February 22, 2023, 10:35:26 PM
Time for a little devils' advocate.Yeah Carr has something to prove . Rodgers legacy is cemented already . He's coasting for gravy money now
Rodgers comes off very disinterested and aloof. He's already won a title and has more than enough money. I don't trust him not to freak around on this...because imo, that's what he's been doing thus far. Plus, he's 40...not everyone who reaches 40 plays like Tom Brady.
Carr just seems hungry to win. He has the leadership and skillset to be successful. Plus our draft capital stays intact. We should go after him asap.
Also...Carr has a massive chip on his shoulder. Give me the guy who cares as opposed to the one sitting in a cave.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 22, 2023, 10:46:20 PM
Rodgers legacy is cemented already
You don't think winning here would improve his legacy?
Post by: delavan on February 22, 2023, 11:28:30 PM
Time for a little devils' advocate.
Rodgers comes off very disinterested and aloof. He's already won a title and has more than enough money. I don't trust him not to freak around on this...because imo, that's what he's been doing thus far. Plus, he's 40...not everyone who reaches 40 plays like Tom Brady.
Carr just seems hungry to win. He has the leadership and skillset to be successful. Plus our draft capital stays intact. We should go after him asap.
Also...Carr has a massive chip on his shoulder. Give me the guy who cares as opposed to the one sitting in a cave.
And with Carr you get to keep all your draft picks, the better to help fill still existing holes (OL for starters)
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Post by: Derek Smalls on February 23, 2023, 01:57:30 AM
Time for a little devils' advocate.Totally fair point on Rodgers and that is a risk. Packers fans weren't happy with him. Just like I keep saying there is a reason the Raiders are letting Carr walk, there is a reason they are letting Rodgers leave, if that happens. And age is certainly an issue.
Rodgers comes off very disinterested and aloof. He's already won a title and has more than enough money. I don't trust him not to freak around on this...because imo, that's what he's been doing thus far. Plus, he's 40...not everyone who reaches 40 plays like Tom Brady.
Carr just seems hungry to win. He has the leadership and skillset to be successful. Plus our draft capital stays intact. We should go after him asap.
Also...Carr has a massive chip on his shoulder. Give me the guy who cares as opposed to the one sitting in a cave.
That's why it's so hard for me to concretely say what I prefer. In a vacuum, it's Rodgers. But if we end up doing something like giving two unconditional firsts and more, then I don't like it nearly as much. I'm fine throwing the bag at Carr, but I'm not excited about it.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 06:57:14 AM
Yeah Carr has something to prove . Rodgers legacy is cemented already . He's coasting for gravy money now
this is what some people don't understand.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 06:59:27 AM
Totally fair point on Rodgers and that is a risk. Packers fans weren't happy with him. Just like I keep saying there is a reason the Raiders are letting Carr walk, there is a reason they are letting Rodgers leave, if that happens. And age is certainly an issue.
That's why it's so hard for me to concretely say what I prefer. In a vacuum, it's Rodgers. But if we end up doing something like giving two unconditional firsts and more, then I don't like it nearly as much. I'm fine throwing the bag at Carr, but I'm not excited about it.
Honestly, i think the Raiders are letting Carr go simply because he isn't Josh McDaniels' guy. And i wouldn't trust Josh McDaniels' to make a sound decision even if it meant saving my life.
And i'll take it a step further...i'll bet McDaniels was convinced Tom Brady was going to show up for one last ride with him in Vegas.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 07:00:16 AM
You don't think winning here would improve his legacy?
If this was important to Rodgers, he wouldn't have needed to go sit in a cave to figure it out.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 07:42:15 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 08:16:23 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 23, 2023, 08:23:16 AM
If this was important to Rodgers, he wouldn't have needed to go sit in a cave to figure it out.
You're sure these two things are related?
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 08:24:29 AM
You're sure these two things are related?
Well...we're not sure of anything. Except that he's a bit of a lunatic.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 09:00:16 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 09:01:41 AM
If he plays well I don't care what he does as long as he isn't hurting anyone.
Hold on just a minute. Let's understand who he's hurting before we go making any hasty decisions.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 09:03:23 AM
Hold on just a minute. Let's understand who he's hurting before we go making any hasty decisions.Valid point.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 23, 2023, 09:14:15 AM
How does this work? My understanding is that the Packers are on the hook for everything they've already paid him. If he stays that cap hit is spread over the length of his deal, if they trade him it all accelerates to this year. I don't think there's a way they can send any of that cap hit to his new team because he has already had the money. A restructure would just allow his new team to potentially kick some of the remaining can further down the road so they can strengthen right now and capitalise on his closing window.
This I don't know. I won't even begin to pretend I understand capology. Any signing bonus would likely be accelerated, but I think they could move salary down the road, so maybe reduce this year's salary to league minimum, and pay up on the bonus, reducing the overall impact to Green Bay? This is total guesswork though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 23, 2023, 09:21:24 AM
Rodgers easily gives us the best chance to win now. Not to Champ this, but I want to see a title before I die and I ain't getting younger.
My only concern is that he's a diva who just wants all the attention right now and we could be left with nothing by pursuing him while Carr goes to somewhere like NO and Rodgers then chooses the Raiders.
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 09:21:41 AM
This I don't know. I won't even begin to pretend I understand capology. Any signing bonus would likely be accelerated, but I think they could move salary down the road, so maybe reduce this year's salary to league minimum, and pay up on the bonus, reducing the overall impact to Green Bay? This is total guesswork though.
The new league year starts March 15th, so as long as he's traded before then his 2023 salary isn't a factor for GB. Everything else they're on the hook for because he's already been paid it, any bonuses he's received already that have multi-year cap implications hit GB this year and there's nothing they can do about that.
I think the restructuring talk was more a case of him acknowledging that wherever he plays he's going to have to rework his deal in order for the team to build a competitive roster around him. Another reason that the Jets are an attractive option - most of our key players are on rookie deals.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 09:40:21 AM
The new league year starts March 15th, so as long as he's traded before then his 2023 salary isn't a factor for GB. Everything else they're on the hook for because he's already been paid it, any bonuses he's received already that have multi-year cap implications hit GB this year and there's nothing they can do about that.Counterpoint, the Raiders have a ton of cap space.
I think the restructuring talk was more a case of him acknowledging that wherever he plays he's going to have to rework his deal in order for the team to build a competitive roster around him. Another reason that the Jets are an attractive option - most of our key players are on rookie deals.
Post by: Coach K on February 23, 2023, 10:09:13 AM
Counterpoint, the Raiders have a ton of cap space.Raiders also have a harder division lol and mahommes 2x a year
And Josh McDaniels dumbass . You think Rodgers and him would work ? Lol
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
Raiders also have a harder division lol and mahommes 2x a yearFair points, all of them.
And Josh McDaniels dumbass . You think Rodgers and him would work ? Lol
Although those 2 are Asperger's enough that they may get along. Or be a disaster.
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 11:55:19 AM
Counterpoint, the Raiders have a ton of cap space.
They probably also need to add more than we do in order to be competitive.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 23, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Raiders also have a harder division lol and mahommes 2x a yearHe apparently likes our dumbass in Hackett so maybe he would like their hardass.
And Josh McDaniels dumbass . You think Rodgers and him would work ? Lol
Post by: Gorilla on February 23, 2023, 02:19:25 PM
I can't wait to see how all 4 of us vote
Lolol
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 02:26:08 PM
Compensation is the name of the game, anyone who says anything else is wrong.
If we're looking at similar cap numbers, and negligible compensation every single person should want Rodgers no questions asked. Regardless of legacy who wants it more and whatever irrelevant bullshit.
Now compensation isn't going to be negligible and salarys won't be the same. And none of us having a freaking idea of what they will be. But that's the entirety of what the correct answer should be determined by
Post by: steves850 on February 23, 2023, 02:34:39 PM
All the stuff about legacy and wanting it more is irrelevant.
Compensation is the name of the game, anyone who says anything else is wrong.
If we're looking at similar cap numbers, and negligible compensation every single person should want Rodgers no questions asked. Regardless of legacy who wants it more and whatever irrelevant bullshit.
Now compensation isn't going to be negligible and salarys won't be the same. And none of us having a freaking idea of what they will be. But that's the entirety of what the correct answer should be determined by
Holy freak that is a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value.
Mindset is absolutely a factor. How many players have cashed in on a paycheck then coasted? The answer is more than zero.
You want a competitive player with something to prove rather than someone in their twilight collecting a paycheck, anyone who says anything else is wrong.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 02:44:36 PM
Holy freak that is a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value.
Mindset is absolutely a factor. How many players have cashed in on a paycheck then coasted? The answer is more than zero.
You want a competitive player with something to prove rather than someone in their twilight collecting a paycheck, anyone who says anything else is wrong.
Were not talking about players in theory or potential guys to draft.
Were talking about Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers was nfl MVP 2 of the last 3 years. So I don't need to hear some excrement about his mindset, the guy is a nut job and partially retarded. But he was the most valuable player in the league for a reason.
So yes, compensation is the only reason you pick Carr over him. And because of that compensation element I think Carr is the vastly superior choice.
However if the Rodgers situation detoriates in Green Bay for whatever reason, and the used Carr market heats up. It's certainly feasible to see a shift towards Rodgers as the better choice
If you told me that the asking price for Rodgers drops to a 3rd, and the expected contract for Carr is something like an inflated Cousins contract (ie 5 years 235 million fully guaranteed) im 100% rolling with Rodgers.
Because the ceiling for Rodgers is literally nfl MVP.
The ceiling for Carr is maybe top 10 QB? I don't see Carr as having a top 5 QB ceiling, and that's okay.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 02:53:47 PM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on February 23, 2023, 02:54:58 PM
Holy freak that is a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value.Aaron Rodgers won 2 of the last 3 MVPs. He's clearly a competitive player who proved he could literally win MVP in 2 of the last 3 seasons.
Mindset is absolutely a factor. How many players have cashed in on a paycheck then coasted? The answer is more than zero.
You want a competitive player with something to prove rather than someone in their twilight collecting a paycheck, anyone who says anything else is wrong.
Maybe he's just trying to collect a paycheck. But I assume he would love to win another Super Bowl for his legacy.
Carr is going to be a 32-year old QB who has more last-place finishes than playoff starts. How do we know he isn't entering a twilight collecting a paycheck? He also said he'd rather retire than leave the Raiders, so perhaps he's just sticking around for the paycheck. I don't believe that, but I don't see how that's so much more farfetched than Rodgers feeling that way.
DCM is right. If the compensation is close, Rodgers is a no-brainer. The compensation and Rodgers and Carr's individual choices are the two most important factors that could change that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 23, 2023, 02:55:24 PM
Then again this is making me doubt myself. When I first read this I thought it was satire, but it's the real Adam SchefterHe went on a darkness retreat. What were you expecting?
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 02:57:28 PM
He went on a darkness retreat. What were you expecting?
I thought it was a figure of speech
And that he'd probably go take a few hits of a bong and light some inscence
Not actually hide in a freaking bunker
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 03:52:18 PM
Aaron Rodgers won 2 of the last 3 MVPs. He's clearly a competitive player who proved he could literally win MVP in 2 of the last 3 seasons.
Maybe he's just trying to collect a paycheck. But I assume he would love to win another Super Bowl for his legacy.
His paycheck is the same no matter where he's collecting it, so if all he wants is the money then it makes sense to stay where he's already loved and save himself the trouble. If he decides to move to another team, whether it be us or anyone else, it's likely because he still wants to do things in football.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 03:55:42 PM
His paycheck is the same no matter where he's collecting it, so if all he wants is the money then it makes sense to stay where he's already loved and save himself the trouble. If he decides to move to another team, whether it be us or anyone else, it's likely because he still wants to do things in football.
Unless the Packers don't want him back, because they want to see if Love is the future before he walks, and because they realize they can get legit compensation for a 40 year old when they're not ready to compete.
In which case him walking is entirely someone else's decision.
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 03:57:44 PM
Unless the Packers don't want him back, because they want to see if Love is the future before he walks, and because they realize they can get legit compensation for a 40 year old when they're not ready to compete.
In which case him walking is entirely someone else's decision.
Rodgers only gets traded if Rodgers wants to get traded, because a) he has a no trade clause and b) no one is trading for him and his money if he says he doesn't want to play for their team. 39 year old Aaron Rodgers is not the same kind of chattel as a 24 year old running back.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 04:08:51 PM
Rodgers only gets traded if Rodgers wants to get traded, because a) he has a no trade clause and b) no one is trading for him and his money if he says he doesn't want to play for their team. 39 year old Aaron Rodgers is not the same kind of chattel as a 24 year old running back.
Rodgers does not have a no trade clause
He can threaten to retire, which then becomes a point of contention of how badly does he want the 100+ million he'd be leaving on the table. Some people have referred to this as his trade veto ability, and compared it to an effective no trade clause (again this depends on if he's truly willing to leave that kind of money on the table)
And I think teams would still trade for him if he doesn't want to play for them, if the price is right. . Unless he's publicly outright like freak THE NEW YOKR JETS or something crazy. I think we'd still trade for him if he wants to be in say Vegas or something for the right price.
Now Rodgers compensation will certainly be impacted based on factors you mentioned.
For multiple high picks vs some middle of the pack picks, you'd want very different assurances about interest and long-term commitments. But for a literal potential MVP candidate you'd imagine thresholds for risks (such as trading for a guy who doesn't love your organization) would be higher
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 04:22:52 PM
Rodgers does not have a no trade clause
He can threaten to retire, which then becomes a point of contention of how badly does he want the 100+ million he'd be leaving on the table. Some people have referred to this as his trade veto ability, and compared it to an effective no trade clause (again this depends on if he's truly willing to leave that kind of money on the table)
And I think teams would still trade for him if he doesn't want to play for them, if the price is right. . Unless he's publicly outright like freak THE NEW YOKR JETS or something crazy. I think we'd still trade for him if he wants to be in say Vegas or something for the right price.
Now Rodgers compensation will certainly be impacted based on factors you mentioned.
For multiple high picks vs some middle of the pack picks, you'd want very different assurances about interest and long-term commitments. But for a literal potential MVP candidate you'd imagine thresholds for risks (such as trading for a guy who doesn't love your organization) would be higher
It's my understanding that most of the top QBs have a NTC, but even if he doesn't it's moot. He doesn't have to retire, he can just say no. No one is doing a deal for him until they know for sure he wants to play for them, because otherwise this is the conversation:
"Hey Aaron, we just traded you to Carolina."
"Cool, I'm not interested in playing for them."
"Not our problem, see ya."
"Hey Aaron, Scott Fitterer here, excited for you to be a Panther."
"That's nice, but I'm not interested in playing for you."
"No but you have to, we already traded for you."
"No one asked me. I'll turn up to mandatory camp so I qualify for my bonuses, but you don't want to try putting me on the field because I'm not playing for you. Who do I send my banking details to so you can send the paychecks you've just traded for?"
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 04:29:45 PM
It's my understanding that most of the top QBs have a NTC, but even if he doesn't it's moot. He doesn't have to retire, he can just say no. No one is doing a deal for him until they know for sure he wants to play for them, because otherwise this is the conversation:
"Hey Aaron, we just traded you to Carolina."
"Cool, I'm not interested in playing for them."
"Not our problem, see ya."
"Hey Aaron, Scott Fitterer here, excited for you to be a Panther."
"That's nice, but I'm not interested in playing for you."
"No but you have to, we already traded for you."
"No one asked me. I'll turn up to mandatory camp so I qualify for my bonuses, but you don't want to try putting me on the field because I'm not playing for you. Who do I send my banking details to so you can send the paychecks you've just traded for?"
It's not exactly a thing thats happened before
And yes you'll generally see organizations try to respect their gloried players. I mean was Favres first choice coming to the Jets? I absolutely freaking can't imagine it was
And the Packers could always say hey listen the Panthers are willing to give up a 1st for you, but because you're a nice guy were willing to send you to the Jets instead even though you really want to go to the Raiders who are only offering a 2nd
Ultimately I think how badly Rodgers wants his money will be a factor in his flexibility to go somewhere
Not to mention if Rodgers was willing to refuse to play for a team (especially if it's a big market team like the Jets, and not some outcast like the Panthers)
I think that could have a further impact on his media opportunities
Especially if he wants to follow recent QBs and their very lucrative opportunities broadcasting
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 04:31:00 PM
It's not exactly a thing thats happened before
And yes you'll generally see organizations try to respect their gloried players. I mean was Favres first choice coming to the Jets? I absolutely freaking can't imagine it was
And the Packers could always say hey listen the Panthers are willing to give up a 1st for you, but because you're a nice guy were willing to send you to the Jets instead even though you really want to go to the Raiders who are only offering a 2nd
Ultimately I think how badly Rodgers wants his money will be a factor in his flexibility to go somewhere
it happened when Jake Plummer was traded from Denver to Tampa. He didn't want to go, Denver traded him anyway, and then Plummer fucked over Tampa by retiring.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 04:33:35 PM
it happened when Jake Plummer was traded from Denver to Tampa. He didn't want to go, Denver traded him anyway, and then Plummer fucked over Tampa by retiring.
Yeah but that's actual retiring, not threatening to sit on the bench
Realistically Rodgers could be giving up over 200 million if he retires
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 04:34:21 PM
Yeah but that's actual retiring, not threatening to sit on the bench
Realistically Rodgers could be giving up over 200 million if he retires
Rodgers is probably sitting on a mountain of 200 million gold coins already. i'm sure he made a ton on those Discount Doublecheck commercials alone.
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 04:36:05 PM
It's not exactly a thing thats happened before
And yes you'll generally see organizations try to respect their gloried players. I mean was Favres first choice coming to the Jets? I absolutely freaking can't imagine it was
He had a trade set up somewhere else but I forget where, then the Jets hijacked it. He didn't want to go to NY until Tannenbaum called him directly and told him he'd make the entire team do meetings in Wrangler jeans, or something like that. There's a story to it that I forget the details of, but yes, by the time the trade happened Favre wanted to come.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 04:36:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 04:37:40 PM
Yeah but that's actual retiring, not threatening to sit on the bench
Same difference. No one is trading assets for him so that he can retire and they're out the picks they just sent to GB.
I'm not sure if repeating this is going to actually help you understand it, but Rodgers is not the same chattel as most players in multiple ways.
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 04:39:32 PM
The Packers raised their ticket prices....i'll bet Rodgers is staying put.
The Packers have a waiting list of over 100,000 for season tickets. The two things are not connected.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 04:41:20 PM
The Packers have a waiting list of over 100,000 for season tickets. The two things are not connected.
You don't raise ticket prices for a Jordan Love led team. Not after missing the playoffs.
The waiting list doesn't mean anything.
Rodgers is coming back to GB for one final ride....and their FO is gonna cash in with higher ticket prices for it. Smart marketing.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 04:43:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
You don't raise ticket prices for a Jordan Love led team. Not after missing the playoffs.
The waiting list doesn't mean anything.
Rodgers is coming back to GB for one final ride....and their FO is gonna cash in with higher ticket prices for it. Smart marketing.
It may have escaped your attention, but everyone is raising prices for everything right now. If you look at what a lot of Green Bay fans are saying they're pretty excited to see the team move on and start the next era, no one is electing not to buy their STs in Green Bay this year because Jordan Love. And if they do, there are 100K+ people desperately waiting to take their place. This is a price inelastic market.
I'm not saying that Rodgers won't go back to Green Bay, just that this isn't any indicator of it.
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 05:01:02 PM
It may have escaped your attention, but everyone is raising prices for everything right now. If you look at what a lot of Green Bay fans are saying they're pretty excited to see the team move on and start the next era, no one is electing not to buy their STs in Green Bay this year because Jordan Love. And if they do, there are 100K+ people desperately waiting to take their place. This is a price inelastic market.
I'm not saying that Rodgers won't go back to Green Bay, just that this isn't any indicator of it.
I disagree.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 23, 2023, 05:30:45 PM
Post by: Coach K on February 23, 2023, 05:30:51 PM
The Packers raised their ticket prices....i'll bet Rodgers is staying put.We raised ours with the worst qb play in the league lol
Post by: Coach K on February 23, 2023, 05:31:11 PM
The Jets raised ticket prices, too. Does that mean both teams are getting Rodgers?Haha we responded simulatebously
Post by: delavan on February 23, 2023, 06:48:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2023, 06:59:57 PM
The Jets raised ticket prices, too. Does that mean both teams are getting Rodgers?
It means we have to pay Quinnen.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 08:30:15 PM
The Jets raised ticket prices, too. Does that mean both teams are getting Rodgers?We can't trade Zach now.
Post by: Coach K on February 24, 2023, 05:22:37 AM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1628904557269991424I like the top reply us price please god no Rodgers is past his Prime and Carr js not a franchise qb just draft one
Like we haven't been doing it for a decade to total failure lol
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 10:55:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 10:57:16 AM
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Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:02:44 AM
Part of my aversion to Carr is that he gives us a hard ceiling (likely of the divisional round) and I don't want to commit to that for more than two years.
How does Carr give us a "hard ceiling?" We made it the championship game with Mark Sanchez. The team around the QB can elevate just as much as the QB can elevate the team. This is a excrement take.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Just get us there and let's see what happens.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:07:08 AM
How does Carr give us a "hard ceiling?" We made it the championship game with Mark Sanchez. The team around the QB can elevate just as much as the QB can elevate the team. This is a excrement take.
Because he's not in the same league as the elite quarterbacks in our conference, of which there are many. As we learned with Sanchez and other teams have learned with their limited quarterbacks, winning with them is not sustainable and rarely results in a championship.
Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:07:20 AM
We haven't made the playoff in over a decade.
Just get us there and let's see what happens.
NO! He won't get us pass the divisional round in my hypothetical situation that I constructed entirely in my brain. Not worth it!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:10:27 AM
NO! He won't get us pass the divisional round in my hypothetical situation that I constructed entirely in my brain. Not worth it!
The likelihood of us making it past one, let alone two, of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Lawrence (perhaps Jackson and Watson, as well) is very remote. Just being realistic.
Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Because he's not in the same league as the elite quarterbacks in our conference, of which there are several.
And who is? Rodgers?
At this point both QBs are signed with the Jets and all 31 other teams at the same time. If the coaching staff believe Carr can win then you sign him. Rodgers comes with a bunch of other baggage, He'll be 40 in December and he'll be expensive.
Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:11:19 AM
The likelihood of us making it past one, let alone two, of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Lawrence (perhaps Jackson and Watson, as well) is very remote. Just being realistic.
What program do you use to run these simulations in your brain?
freak it, fold the franchise until all these players retire...
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:12:35 AM
And who is? Rodgers?
At this point both QBs are signed with the Jets and all 31 other teams at the same time. If the coaching staff believe Carr can win then you sign him. Rodgers comes with a bunch of other baggage, He'll be 40 in December and he'll be expensive.
Rodgers gives us upside that the others don't. I don't believe it's likely he gets us past all the elite quarterbacks, either, but he'd give us a better shot than Carr, and we're likely not committed to him for more than a year or two.
Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:16:32 AM
Rodgers gives us upside that the others don't. I don't believe it's likely he would get us past Mahomes/Burrow/Allen, either, but he give us a better shot than Carr and we're likely not committed to him for more than a year or two.
So in your mind Rodgers wins us one more playoff game than Carr. He'll get us to the championship game but Carr will only get us to Divisional.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
So in your mind Rodgers wins us one more playoff game than Carr. He'll get us to the championship game but Carr will only get us to Divisional.
In all likelihood, yeah, but this is obviously all projection. If you get to the championship, you're a couple breaks away from the Super Bowl and, in theory, Rodgers at his best is still capable of going toe to toe with any quarterback in the league.
Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:21:41 AM
In all likelihood, yeah, but this is obviously all projection. If you get to the championship, you're a couple breaks away from the Super Bowl and, in theory, Rodgers at his best is still capable of going toe to toe with any quarterback in the league.
Yeah but how far do you stretch that logic? If you get to the Divisional game and Breece balls out, now we're in the Championship game.
My point is your entire argument is projection and flawed. I don't think Rodgers is worth the price. From a baggage, draft capital, and cap space. I'd rather take the shot on Carr.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:26:26 AM
Yeah but how far do you stretch that logic? If you get to the Divisional game and Breece balls out, now we're in the Championship game.
My point is your entire argument is projection and flawed. I don't think Rodgers is worth the price. From a baggage, draft capital, and cap space. I'd rather take the shot on Carr.
The odds of Breece being the reason we get past Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc. in the divisional round are very slim.
I don't know why you're so emphatic that my argument is flawed, it's a fairly common one. You can have your opinion about Rodgers not being worth the price, which I agree with by the way (depending on the price), but it's widely believed that Carr isn't capable of getting a team past the aforementioned quarterbacks.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:32:59 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:39:58 AM
Post by: steves850 on February 24, 2023, 11:41:42 AM
The odds of Breece being the reason we get past Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc. in the divisional round are very slim.
I don't know why you're so emphatic that my argument is flawed, it's a fairly common one. You can have your opinion about Rodgers not being worth the price, which I agree with by the way (depending on the price), but it's widely believed that Carr isn't capable of getting a team past the aforementioned quarterbacks.
Based on what? If you can successfully run the ball you control the pace of the game and the time of possession. Running the ball wins games, which include playoff games...
I think there's significant unrealized potential in Carr. I may be wrong but that's where I stand.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:45:27 AM
Based on what? If you can successfully run the ball you control the pace of the game and the time of possession. Running the ball wins games, which include playoff games...
Because you're not only relying on Breece but on the offensive line and establishing a lead. You can win with this model but it's very difficult in today's NFL and generally not sustainable (just look at the Titans).
Post by: Jumbo on February 24, 2023, 11:48:38 AM
I understand that I'm probably in the minority but I don't care about playoff appearances if it means being handcuffed to an Alex Smith, Jimmy Garoppolo, Ryan Tanehill, etc. type of quarterback. I'd rather swing for the fences.
I agree, but I also think that the roster might be in a position where you can still win with a guy like Carr for a year or two. The only thing I worry about is that we attach ourselves to Carr long-term where in 3 years we probably won't be in position to win with a guy like him, but still worth the shot. This is why I prefer Rodgers to Carr, though.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:49:51 AM
I agree, but I also think that the roster might be in a position where you can still win with a guy like Carr for a year or two. The only thing I worry about is that we attach ourselves to Carr long-term where in 3 years we probably won't be in position to win with a guy like him, but still worth the shot. This is why I prefer Rodgers to Carr, though.
This is essentially my position. I don't hate Carr. I just don't want to commit to him for more than two years.
If Carr is the bridge to Drake Maye, for example, I'd be very happy with that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2023, 11:54:57 AM
Based on what? If you can successfully run the ball you control the pace of the game and the time of possession. Running the ball wins games, which include playoff games...Based on reality. The NFL is a quarterback league. Derek Carr is not a top 5 QB in the AFC. Depending how you view certain guys, he might not even be a top 8 QB.
I think there's significant unrealized potential in Carr. I may be wrong but that's where I stand.
It isn't impossible but it is unlikely to make a Super Bowl without a top-tier QB. Most exceptions have elite OL. We don't have that either.
I dont know if there is that much unrealized potential in a 32 year old QB but it isn't impossible.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 11:58:12 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2023, 11:58:26 AM
This is essentially my position. I don't hate Carr. I just don't want to commit to him for more than two years.Carr is at least a 3-year commitment with salary. He almost certainly gets a 4-year deal where we have some dead money in Year 4 if we want out.
If Carr is the bridge to Drake Maye, for example, I'd be very happy with that.
I dont hate him either and he gives us a much better chance than we have now. If everything breaks right, we can win a Super Bowl. But it is a lot to ask. And it's a lot less to ask if we have Rodgers.
It's such a difficult debate to have though without knowing salary and draft compensation.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2023, 12:03:25 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2023, 12:13:47 PM
The Kansas City model is the ideal, in my opinion. You'd like to think there's a scenario where we commit to Carr for 3-4 years, draft his successor next year, let him develop on the bench for a year, Carr plays well, gets us to the divisional round, and then we trade him to a QB-needy team when the young guy is ready heading into year 2. All of this is very difficult to foresee without an offensive-minded head coach, not to mention the fact that things never break this well for the Jets.That sounds good in theory, but in practice, it will be very difficult.
If we are giving Carr like $38M a year, you're committing to Carr as a long-term answer (at least 3 years). If you're doing that, I think you pile all the resources into helping Carr as much as possible, so you're not spending a high pick on a QB.
It also seems like a very delicate tightrope to have Carr play well enough where he still has trade value AND you have such faith in a mid-round QB pick in Year 2 to have them take over for Carr.
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2023, 12:30:29 PM
Do you really think GB would let him go if he could still hang?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 12:31:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2023, 12:32:31 PM
Brisket or we riot.
FYP
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 24, 2023, 12:54:03 PM
That sounds good in theory, but in practice, it will be very difficult.1. "Because it's difficult" is always the worst argument against any action
If we are giving Carr like $38M a year, you're committing to Carr as a long-term answer (at least 3 years). If you're doing that, I think you pile all the resources into helping Carr as much as possible, so you're not spending a high pick on a QB.
It also seems like a very delicate tightrope to have Carr play well enough where he still has trade value AND you have such faith in a mid-round QB pick in Year 2 to have them take over for Carr.
2. Every approach has been difficult for us and led to failure so it's not like we've proven competent through any other means.
Signing a vet to play now and drafting a QB in a couple of years to learn and play later would at least give us an option.
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2023, 01:01:50 PM
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2023, 01:23:13 PM
The likelihood of us making it past one, let alone two, of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Lawrence (perhaps Jackson and Watson, as well) is very remote. Just being realistic.If that's the case then why even bother replacing Zach?
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 24, 2023, 01:29:56 PM
I think that whichever of the two we sign, but especially if it's Rodgers, the management team are almost certainly still planning for Zach to be the QB of the future.
there is no future for this guy with this team. homie is cooked.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 24, 2023, 01:31:16 PM
If that's the case then why even bother replacing Zach?
Because he's a project who is not ready to play and the current GM and HC would like to keep their jobs.
Post by: Jumbo on February 24, 2023, 01:34:01 PM
I think alot of you believe Rodgers is a lock to play at an elite level. Hes at an age where he can completely fall off a cliff this season.
Do you really think GB would let him go if he could still hang?
Not a lock to play at an elite level but still a better bet than Carr, especially considering in 2022:
Rodgers throwing to ????? with above average RB play had 64.6% completion, 3695 yards, 26 TD, 12 INT
Carr throwing to an elite, top 3 WR with top 5 RB play had 60.8% completion, 3522 yards, 24 TD, 14 INT
Both had shitty coaching so that about evens it out. Statlines are somewhat similar but if you consider we're upgrading Rodgers' weapons and he was MVP the previous 2 years, I don't see how you wouldn't bet on Rodgers being better than Carr next year. Maybe less likely in 2024, but QBs are aging more gracefully these days.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 24, 2023, 01:35:34 PM
carr would be the best quarterback we've had in the last 15 years. we already have a solid and, arguably, a top notch defense. we have some pieces on O but need to continue building. that's best done by keeping our top picks. this FO has shown they can hit with their top picks under salah and co., we need that #13 pick for contributions next year, be it OL or skill player.
keep the defense steady, work on OL and skill players, get an above average quarterback for money, make the playoffs. once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen.
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2023, 01:39:21 PM
there is no future for this guy with this team. homie is cooked.
You may be right, but the GM and HC who chose him are not giving up on him after two seasons. Especially if it's Rodgers we end up with, their relationship and the potential similarities in play style make it a pretty natural fit. I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of their thinking as to which of Rodgers and Carr they'd prefer.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 24, 2023, 01:40:39 PM
Maybe less likely in 2024, but QBs are aging more gracefully these days.
sports longevity for athletes in general is better in the present time, but there's a huge difference between the way a guy like rodgers is keeping himself in 'shape' compared to a guy like brady.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 24, 2023, 01:44:16 PM
You may be right, but the GM and HC who chose him are not giving up on him after two seasons. Especially if it's Rodgers we end up with, their relationship and the potential similarities in play style make it a pretty natural fit. I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of their thinking as to which of Rodgers and Carr they'd prefer.
i honestly hope that's just blanket obligatory support, because if they're really depending on this guy to come through for us it'll be a huge folly.
there's nothing a guy like rodgers can do to prevent this kid from freaking out and forgetting the called play he just called after the lights turn on and the ball gets hiked. he has the work ethic and some of the physical traits, but mentally he does not have it.
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2023, 01:49:39 PM
i honestly hope that's just blanket obligatory support, because if they're really depending on this guy to come through for us it'll be a huge folly.
there's nothing a guy like rodgers can do to prevent this kid from freaking out and forgetting the called play he just called after the lights turn on and the ball gets hiked. he has the work ethic and some of the physical traits, but mentally he does not have it.
It depends whether you think the mind can be trained in the same way as the body. I think that the panic Zach clearly had was a function of being in situations he didn't understand - that's generally how panic works in any given situation - and the way to fix that is to train the subconscious into an "if you see X and Y, do Z" mode. Given the similarity of physical skills I don't think it's a huge leap that training and working alongside Rodgers could be a huge help to Zach learning that when X and Y happens, Rodgers does Z and he should do the same thing. You can get a bit of that from film and coaching, but learning by osmosis is often the most effective method.
Like Bruce Lee said: I do not fear the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks, I fear the man who has practiced 1 kick 10,000 times.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2023, 01:59:59 PM
I think alot of you believe Rodgers is a lock to play at an elite level. Hes at an age where he can completely fall off a cliff this season.Yes. They drafted a QB in the 1st round that they like and Rodgers can be a pain in the derriere.
Do you really think GB would let him go if he could still hang?
Also, if it was a stone lock Rodgers would still be elite, then it would be ridiculous to even entertain anyone else.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 24, 2023, 02:01:34 PM
not saying they are the same level of quarterback but matthew stafford won 0 playoff games before winning the super bowl with the rams.
carr would be the best quarterback we've had in the last 15 years. we already have a solid and, arguably, a top notch defense. we have some pieces on O but need to continue building. that's best done by keeping our top picks. this FO has shown they can hit with their top picks under salah and co., we need that #13 pick for contributions next year, be it OL or skill player.
keep the defense steady, work on OL and skill players, get an above average quarterback for money, make the playoffs. once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen.
This. Put the right QB with the right team and they can succeed. Carr has never had a defense as good as ours.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 24, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
Though it sounds like a massive number for Carr's services, that would only make him the ninth highest-paid quarterback per year. For reference, he would be tied with Kirk Cousins in annual earnings and sit just ahead of Jared Goff if he gets his desired deal. Carr has already visited the Saints and Jets. The Titans and Panthers have also been linked to him, but no meetings have been reported on. Currently many millions over the salary cap, a $35 million per year deal would be hard for the Saints to accommodate. The Jets, on the other hand, are sitting just above the cap and can easily make some moves to create the room necessary for Carr.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 24, 2023, 04:28:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 04:29:27 PM
I'd 100% be on board with Carr for 5 years 35 APY fully guaranteedNo. 5 years?
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2023, 05:25:53 PM
I'd 100% be on board with Carr for 5 years 35 APY fully guaranteedFully guaranteed for 5 years? freak no
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
Fully guaranteed for 5 years? freak noThankfully no one is going to offer that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2023, 06:27:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 24, 2023, 06:53:51 PM
And because he's more established and from a higher pedigree, I think he gets longer and more money
For some reason I thought cousins got a bigger deal than he did so in hindsight I realize how ridiculous the suggestion I made is
Post by: dcm1602 on February 24, 2023, 10:53:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 11:03:25 PM
FWIW projections on Daniel Jones is 5 years 200 millionWho is projecting? Lolbright?
Projection: tag.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2023, 02:03:56 AM
FWIW projections on Daniel Jones is 5 years 200 millionI'd rather sign Jones than Carr if the salaries are the same.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2023, 06:58:52 AM
I'd rather sign Jones than Carr if the salaries are the same.
You are overthinking this
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2023, 08:15:48 AM
I'd rather sign Jones than Carr if the salaries are the same.Lol Danny Fumbles.
freak outta here
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2023, 08:31:25 AM
The fumbling thing has improved quite a lot. He had less fumbles than Rodgers this year and was about league average in fumbles.
As much as I hate to say it, I'll be honest about QBs on teams I hate. Jones is a solid QB. It isn't popular, but I also don't think Mac Jones is a bad QB. He was part of a terrible offense this year with pencil head as OC. I think he'll be a lot better this year. He's still a piece of excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2023, 08:57:06 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2023, 09:05:29 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2023, 09:28:26 AM
I don't think Jones makes any sense at all for a team that doesn't have Brian Daboll in charge, until his body of work is strong enough to believe that he can be a good QB without Daboll calling the shots.I agree. He isn't worth the money either.
Post by: delavan on February 25, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
I agree. He isn't worth the money either.Same here. Jones cleaned up his act (fumbles, etc.) on the back of Brian Daboll
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Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2023, 10:59:13 AM
Jones is a pretty good QB, but he's as good as he's going to be. Like many QBs, he won't lose you the game or win it. He'll put your team in the place to win. He'll get you to the playoffs and get smoked in the wildcard.Daniel Jones is a serviceable QB...only because Daboll is there holding his hand. There's a reason why the Giants didn't pick up his 5th year option. He was a turnover machine before Daboll arrived.
The fumbling thing has improved quite a lot. He had less fumbles than Rodgers this year and was about league average in fumbles.
As much as I hate to say it, I'll be honest about QBs on teams I hate. Jones is a solid QB. It isn't popular, but I also don't think Mac Jones is a bad QB. He was part of a terrible offense this year with pencil head as OC. I think he'll be a lot better this year. He's still a piece of excrement.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2023, 11:07:17 AM
But I was reading about how Wilson could be an impedus to Carr coming here.
After all if you're a QB like Carr that could potentially play for close to a decade, why would you go to a team that has a 1st round rookie QB entering his 3rd year
I think Boomer talked about this a lot. And it's a valid point, and I imagine a contract to Carr would have to echo this long term commitment
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2023, 11:31:48 AM
Jones is a pretty good QB, but he's as good as he's going to be. Like many QBs, he won't lose you the game or win it. He'll put your team in the place to win. He'll get you to the playoffs and get smoked in the wildcard.Tne 25-year old QB coming off the best year of his career is as good as he's going to be? I strongly disagree.
If the salaries are the same, I would much rather bet on the 26-year old athletic freak coming off the best year of his career than the 32-year old coming off the worst year he has had in half-a-decade.
Carr has a higher floor than Jones, but Jones is the one with upside.
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2023, 12:16:45 PM
Tne 25-year old QB coming off the best year of his career is as good as he's going to be? I strongly disagree.Jones isn't a good QB
If the salaries are the same, I would much rather bet on the 26-year old athletic freak coming off the best year of his career than the 32-year old coming off the worst year he has had in half-a-decade.
Carr has a higher floor than Jones, but Jones is the one with upside.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2023, 12:19:23 PM
Jones isn't a good QBHe was just as good as Carr last season, except he was throwing to Richie James, Isaiah Hodgins and Darius Slayton and not Davante Adams.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
I don't know if it was entirely speculation
But I was reading about how Wilson could be an impedus to Carr coming here.
After all if you're a QB like Carr that could potentially play for close to a decade, why would you go to a team that has a 1st round rookie QB entering his 3rd year
I think Boomer talked about this a lot. And it's a valid point, and I imagine a contract to Carr would have to echo this long term commitment
wilson won't be threatening carr, now or in two years.
if you sign carr for 5, you're showing commitment to carr as the starter as long as he is here. we wouldn't then pick up wilson's 5th year option. he'll be off the team after carr's second season.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2023, 12:24:20 PM
i get that jones is a young QB who just had a good season. but can we please stop comparing jones to carr. please
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2023, 12:25:46 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2023, 12:25:54 PM
He was just as good as Carr last season, except he was throwing to Richie James, Isaiah Hodgins and Darius Slayton and not Davante Adams.Daboll > McDaniels
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2023, 12:26:20 PM
i can't wait until the giants sign jones for 35-40 mil / year and we can stop talking about himThis.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2023, 12:35:58 PM
Give Daniel Jones Garrett Wilson instead of Kenny Golladay and maybe he looks a lot better.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
I'd rather sign Jones than Carr if the salaries are the same.
WTF?
Post by: delavan on February 25, 2023, 12:38:18 PM
Instead, https://mobile.twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1629490902300327936
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2023, 12:48:45 PM
I don't think we're getting Jones. But I don't see why it's a controversial take to prefer the big, athletic young QB who has been getting better despite the worst WR group in the NFL, as opposed to the older QB who has been in the NFL for a decade and been mostly average. Carr has a higher floor than Jones, but I don't think it's that much higher, and Jones has a higher ceiling.
Give Daniel Jones Garrett Wilson instead of Kenny Golladay and maybe he looks a lot better.
derek carr has not been a mostly average quarterback for his career, c'mon man.
i'd put money down on jones never having a statistical season as good as carr's best statistical season, but i guess only time will tell. i'd put a lot of money down on jones not being able to replicate his success under the current jets coaching apparatus.
we can cut up the positives any way we want to about the hiring, but we basically signed a less autistic version of adam gase in nathaniel hackett. would you seriously bet on him being the guy to unlock jones?
carr is already unlocked.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
he's garbage and a complete waste of a #2 overall pick, but that is a sunk cost at this point.
wasting another 1st-2nd round pick to get a guy who can theoretically 'help' him is extremely poor team building. he can't be helped, we'd have wasted another 1-2 pick for nothing, and we'll again be without a QB in two years time.
the choice is extremely clear here.
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2023, 12:57:09 PM
I don't think we're getting Jones. But I don't see why it's a controversial take to prefer the big, athletic young QB who has been getting better despite the worst WR group in the NFL, as opposed to the older QB who has been in the NFL for a decade and been mostly average. Carr has a higher floor than Jones, but I don't think it's that much higher, and Jones has a higher ceiling.I'll just file this under you thinking MLF wasn't a problem.
Give Daniel Jones Garrett Wilson instead of Kenny Golladay and maybe he looks a lot better.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2023, 01:12:39 PM
derek carr has not been a mostly average quarterback for his career, c'mon man.
Are you telling me Derek Carr is a top 10 quarterback? What are you even arguing? He's always been an average QB. How is that even debatable? He's started for 9 years, and he's never finished better than 10th in QBR. Pick any stat you want if you don't like QBR. He's an average QB, and he's 32 years old next year, so he is what he is.
Average is better than what we've had for a long time, so I'll take that.
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i'd put money down on jones never having a statistical season as good as carr's best statistical season, but i guess only time will tell. i'd put a lot of money down on jones not being able to replicate his success under the current jets coaching apparatus.Jones was just as good as Derek Carr last season. Arguably better. If that's a version of Carr that's "unlocked" and Jones is not unlocked, then it's a no-brainer to take the similar QB with more growth potential.
we can cut up the positives any way we want to about the hiring, but we basically signed a less autistic version of adam gase in nathaniel hackett. would you seriously bet on him being the guy to unlock jones?
carr is already unlocked.
I agree Jones probably never puts up a passing season as good as Carr. But Jones is one of the best running QBs in the NFL.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2023, 01:34:52 PM
wilson won't be threatening carr, now or in two years.
if you sign carr for 5, you're showing commitment to carr as the starter as long as he is here. we wouldn't then pick up wilson's 5th year option. he'll be off the team after carr's second season.
I think Wilson is trash and will never be a threat to anyone.
But you have to keep in mind this entire organization has basically jerked him off saying this was a hiccup and they support him he'll be back etc etc. And the guys locked into the roster on a mostly guaranteed rookie deal.
Plus QB's do fairly frequently miss time.
All it could take is Carr missing a few weeks and Wilson actually looking like an NFL player then all of a sudden you have a QB controversy. Especially depending on the format of Carrs contract.
Now this is very unlikely that Wilson will ever be good enough to threaten any QB for his job. But there's going to be numerous teams pining after Carr. You have to imagine most of them will not have a rookie qb drafted very early that will be around for at least 2 years.
Again I'm not exaggerating suggesting this is a major factor. But it absolutely could be a factor in either Carrs contract structure, he could demand that Zach is traded if he comes here, or it could a completely non existent non factor
And this isn't some cockamamie crazy conspiracy that I flippantly thought of. It was something that was being discussed by media that covers the Jets. And probably is more relevant to the QB situation than Daniel Jones
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2023, 01:43:17 PM
I think Wilson is trash and will never be a threat to anyone.If Wilson is the backup, Carr gets hurt, and Wilson plays well, and Carr comes back, that's a good problem to have. I can't imagine Carr is scared of Wilson.
But you have to keep in mind this entire organization has basically jerked him off saying this was a hiccup and they support him he'll be back etc etc. And the guys locked into the roster on a mostly guaranteed rookie deal.
Plus QB's do fairly frequently miss time.
All it could take is Carr missing a few weeks and Wilson actually looking like an NFL player then all of a sudden you have a QB controversy. Especially depending on the format of Carrs contract.
Now this is very unlikely that Wilson will ever be good enough to threaten any QB for his job. But there's going to be numerous teams pining after Carr. You have to imagine most of them will not have a rookie qb drafted very early that will be around for at least 2 years.
Again I'm not exaggerating suggesting this is a major factor. But it absolutely could be a factor in either Carrs contract structure, he could demand that Zach is traded if he comes here, or it could a completely non existent non factor
And this isn't some cockamamie crazy conspiracy that I flippantly thought of. It was something that was being discussed by media that covers the Jets. And probably is more relevant to the QB situation than Daniel Jones
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2023, 01:53:15 PM
If Wilson is the backup, Carr gets hurt, and Wilson plays well, and Carr comes back, that's a good problem to have. I can't imagine Carr is scared of Wilson.
That's a great problem for the Jets
That's not a great problem for Derek Carr
And I don't think Carr is thinking no way would he go to the Jets because of Wilson
I'd think it's more likely that no way would Carr sign a contract that would easily allow us to replace him with Wilson in year 3. And that it's absolutely possible he would want Wilson simply gone
Post by: delavan on February 25, 2023, 08:35:34 PM
I think Wilson is trash and will never be a threat to anyone…..So which is it?
….All it could take is Carr missing a few weeks and Wilson actually looking like an NFL player then all of a sudden you have a QB controversy.
Swear there ain’t no heaven
- or -
Pray there ain’t no hell ??
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2023, 10:53:52 PM
So which is it?
Swear there ain’t no heaven
- or -
Pray there ain’t no hell ??
Ones talking about football. The other is talking about Carr protecting his money
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 28, 2023, 04:59:19 AM
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2023, 06:03:48 AM
It seems that Lamar will be available on a trade, just sayin'...MB is going to spend the rest of his vacation mocking different Lamar trades.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2023, 08:05:04 AM
It seems that Lamar will be available on a trade, just sayin'...
Based on what?
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 08:13:18 AM
It seems that Lamar will be available on a trade, just sayin'...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230228/86b0a8d89c92019147fbe585bea73497.gif)
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2023, 08:29:40 AM
Jones was just as good as Derek Carr last season. Arguably better.
Carr threw 9 more TDs with one less game played.
And I don't give a excrement about Daniel Jones' rushing stats.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 28, 2023, 09:26:46 AM
Are you telling me Derek Carr is a top 10 quarterback? What are you even arguing? He's always been an average QB. How is that even debatable? He's started for 9 years, and he's never finished better than 10th in QBR. Pick any stat you want if you don't like QBR. He's an average QB, and he's 32 years old next year, so he is what he is.
Average is better than what we've had for a long time, so I'll take that.
Jones was just as good as Derek Carr last season. Arguably better. If that's a version of Carr that's "unlocked" and Jones is not unlocked, then it's a no-brainer to take the similar QB with more growth potential.
I agree Jones probably never puts up a passing season as good as Carr. But Jones is one of the best running QBs in the NFL.
Ease off the cocaine for a week.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
Douglas needs to tell Rodgers to pee off and move on to Carr.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 12:46:39 PM
https://twitter.com/antwanstaley/status/1630577175547060225?t=hhU9xa9HHjTp-YuhIhWpWA&s=19At least Douglas met with Carr and put it out there that it was a success. Previous regimes would have sat in their hands telegraphing to Rodgers that he has all the power to dilly-dally around forever.
Douglas needs to tell Rodgers to pee off and move on to Carr.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 12:59:18 PM
At least Douglas met with Carr and put it out there that it was a success. Previous regimes would have sat in their hands telegraphing to Rodgers that he has all the power to dilly-dally around forever.I'm done talking about it...just do it already.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 28, 2023, 01:04:56 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 01:55:58 PM
I'm done talking about it...just do it already.You'll wait 2 weeks and like it.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 02:32:17 PM
You'll wait 2 weeks and like it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230228/d0f155f95204f312676cbe571a1ba882.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 02:34:08 PM
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I can feel the preservatives.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 03:33:52 PM
I can feel the preservatives.I just shat one out 30 mins ago.....many casualties
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 03:35:05 PM
I just shat one out 30 mins ago.....many casualties
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Post by: Coach K on February 28, 2023, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 06:18:48 PM
Just sign Carr lol can't wait a month . Things will materialize over weekend or early next week imoNah, they are all waiting on Rodgers and he's just sitting home doing shrooms and watching ESPN, laughing. We might know something in 2 or 3 weeks.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 07:48:12 PM
Nah, they are all waiting on Rodgers and he's just sitting home doing shrooms and watching ESPN, laughing. We might know something in 2 or 3 weeks.We need to know something before FA starts
I hope we have Carr locked up before FA
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 08:06:21 PM
We need to know something before FA startsYou'll wait 2 weeks and like it.
I hope we have Carr locked up before FA
You'll also watch Lamar get tagged and play in BAL.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 08:09:55 PM
You'll wait 2 weeks and like it.No, you'll wait 2 weeks.
You'll also watch Lamar get tagged and play in BAL.
And you can get tagged in the butt by Baltimore.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 08:10:24 PM
No, you'll wait 2 weeks.2 weeks. And you get Brissett.
And you can get tagged in the butt by Baltimore.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 08:20:51 PM
2 weeks. And you get Brissett.Thanks...I love brisket
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 28, 2023, 08:33:27 PM
You'll wait 2 weeks and like it.
You'll also watch Lamar get tagged and play in BAL.
That Caddy Shack well is going to go dry pretty soon.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 08:40:29 PM
That Caddy Shack well is going to go dry pretty soon.Correct
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 08:40:41 PM
That Caddy Shack well is going to go dry pretty soon.I'll try to keep it out of the comic book thread.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
We need to know something before FA starts
I hope we have Carr locked up before FA
Outside of just wanting Carr, why?
With Tannenhill unlikely to hit free agency the options are basically Jimmy G or bust. And Jimmy G might want to wait for Carr to stir the market into a frenzy
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
Outside of just wanting Carr, why?Having your QB situation locked in...helps recruit potential FAs. Carr has actually stated this as a reason why he wants to sign before FA begins.
With Tannenhill unlikely to hit free agency the options are basically Jimmy G or bust. And Jimmy G might want to wait for Carr to stir the market into a frenzy
Dude...freak tannehill with Jimmy G's wang.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 09:52:59 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 28, 2023, 10:05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1630777328342016005?t=iRvbyjYV8KeNioGdOtPjoQ&s=19
I swear if we lose out on Carr because we're waiting for Rodgers to come down off of his last shrooms trip I'm going to be upset.
Post by: reuben on February 28, 2023, 10:27:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 28, 2023, 11:00:37 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2023, 03:45:42 AM
Rodgers retiring is a real possibility. Then Carr is a straight up bidding war.
I still don’t think Carr will be a true bidding war. Sure the dude wants money, but he doesn’t have the “pressure” of resetting the market for QBs because he’s not the top guy in the league. He wants win more than he wants to be paid more money than god. He knows the best chance to win is here in NY.
He’s not going to be Brady, playing for scraps in comparison to the league, but he won’t feel obligated to go get 40+ a year either.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2023, 06:52:56 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/jets-joe-douglas-confident-zach-wilson-will-hit-high-ceiling/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 09:29:09 AM
Rodgers retiring is a real possibility. Then Carr is a straight up bidding war.
I'd be very surprised if he retires.
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
I'd be very surprised if he retires.
If he retires now he will become HoF eligible the same year as Brady, no way his ego allows him to play bridesmaid at that particular wedding.
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 09:36:58 AM
I'd be very surprised if he retires.I called his retirement last Sept...when he told everyone under the sun that 2022 was his last season.
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 09:37:34 AM
If he retires now he will become HoF eligible the same year as Brady, no way his ego allows him to play bridesmaid at that particular wedding.Rodgers doesn't give a excrement about this
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2023, 09:40:26 AM
Rodgers doesn't give a excrement about this
Imagine thinking Rodgers' ego doesn't play into literally every single thing he does.
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 09:42:40 AM
Imagine thinking Rodgers' ego doesn't play into literally every single thing he does.This is TGG thinkspeak.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2023, 11:10:00 AM
I still don’t think Carr will be a true bidding war. Sure the dude wants money, but he doesn’t have the “pressure” of resetting the market for QBs because he’s not the top guy in the league. He wants win more than he wants to be paid more money than god. He knows the best chance to win is here in NY.I don't really understand this post.
He’s not going to be Brady, playing for scraps in comparison to the league, but he won’t feel obligated to go get 40+ a year either.
If Carr is the best QB on the market and has several suitors, there will be a bidding war for his services. It has nothing to do with pressure of resetting the market or some nonsense. It has everything to do with him getting an extra $7M a year than he might otherwise get by the Jets to lure him from the Saints or vice versa.
He's made enough money where I don't think he goes purely to the highest bidder, but there are a lot of teams that need QBs and not a lot of trustworthy QBs out there.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 11:41:39 AM
If Carr is the best QB on the market and has several suitors, there will be a bidding war for his services.
He won't want to handicap his new team. He wants to win and prove Las Vegas wrong more than anything.
Seems like the only suitors are us, Carolina, and New Orleans. Washington could throw their hat in the ring, but we'll see.
He's going to pick the best fit/best team. He won't want to weaken a team's ability to spend.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2023, 12:41:52 PM
I guarantee he's not retiring.
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 12:44:15 PM
Rodgers forfeits 60 million guaranteed if he retiresHe doesn't need the money...bleeedat
I guarantee he's not retiring.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 01, 2023, 03:05:37 PM
Imagine thinking Rodgers' ego doesn't play into literally every single thing he does.
So far every scenario for Rodgers's decision this season has been pegged to his ego. At some point it at least factors in one decision more than the rest.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2023, 03:30:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 03:35:02 PM
So Rodgers is a money-hungry douchebag who won't leave $60M on the table, but Carr would gladly pass up millions of dollars to help the Jets? Is that the new narrative?
why do you hate Derek Carr?
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2023, 03:36:31 PM
So Rodgers is a money-hungry douchebag who won't leave $60M on the table, but Carr would gladly pass up millions of dollars to help the Jets? Is that the new narrative?(((Aaron Rodgers)))
Derek
Carr 
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2023, 04:25:39 PM
why do you hate Derek Carr?I think this board overrates how good he is. I think he's an average QB who will get overpaid by some desperate team that needs a QB, and as soon as that team signs Carr, there's a ceiling on how good they will be because they are giving so much money to a quarterback who has never been and never will be a major difference maker. The Jets are desperate enough for a QB and are good enough to make the playoffs if Carr comes in here. I don't have a problem if they sign him for that reason.
I also think it's funny the narrative some have on Rodgers and Carr. Maybe Carr does leave a significant amount of money on the table in order to win. But I'll believe it when I see it, just like with every athlete who says things like that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 04:32:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1631009826963685379
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 04:35:00 PM
a quarterback who has never been and never will be a major difference maker.
apparently 2016 just didn't happen
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 04:36:06 PM
Don't know how credible this is but...
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1631009826963685379
it's always been Jets, Packers, or retirement
Blatt took a page out of the Connor Hughes book of using another source to report the obvious
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2023, 04:46:56 PM
apparently 2016 just didn't happen2016 Derek Carr: 7.0 YPA
2022 Zach Wilson: 7.0 YPA
And you have to go back 6 years to pick that season.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 04:49:52 PM
2016 Derek Carr: 7.0 YPA
2022 Zach Wilson: 7.0 YPA
And you have to go back 6 years to pick that season.
The Raiders were 12-3 and a Super Bowl contender ...because of Derek Carr.
A guy named Patrick Mahomes was picked in the 2017 NFL Draft. That changed things in that division. But please continue to make these stupid derriere statistical comparisons.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2023, 05:04:07 PM
The Raiders were 12-3 and a Super Bowl contender ...because of Derek Carr.Not sure what Patrick Mahomes has to do with any of this, unless your argument is that Carr can't compete with Mahomes. Which I agree with.
A guy named Patrick Mahomes was picked in the 2017 NFL Draft. That changed things in that division. But please continue to make these stupid derriere statistical comparisons.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 05:09:35 PM
Not sure what Patrick Mahomes has to do with any of this, unless your argument is that Carr can't compete with Mahomes. Which I agree with.
The AFC West shifted dramatically once he took over in KC.
The Raiders defense can't compete with KC's offense. Carr has never had help around him. This current Jets roster would be the best team he's been a part of.
You seem to want a superstar QB. There isn't one available. We just need serviceable and Carr is better than that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 05:14:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 05:19:07 PM
Jackson may be available and Rodgers may still be able to perform at an elite level.
two too many mays in that sentence
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 05:19:47 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2023, 05:20:45 PM
So Rodgers is a money-hungry douchebag who won't leave $60M on the table, but Carr would gladly pass up millions of dollars to help the Jets? Is that the new narrative?
There is a huge difference between people and egos and what people would choose to do in life. Look no further than this board let alone the actual NFL.
Players take “less” money all time to go to places to win. Why do you think the Jets tax existed for the last decade? We weren’t winning, so we had to overpay to get a guy to play for us.
Rodgers not leaving $60 million dollars on the table is because people believe he can still play and will want that money.
No one is saying Carr is playing for free, or that he will take less money to play in NY than anywhere else. Just that he has supposedly communicated to people he doesn’t want to make every last Penny he can. His preference is to win. He recognizes that to do so, he needs to take less money than he could maximally earn to give his team the best chance to do so. Carr choosing to play for $35 million a year instead of fighting tooth and nail to get $42 million “because he can” is taking less money, but it’s not exactly a massive concession on his part to essentially give up 16-17% of his annual salary to be happier in life. I’ve seen people give up a far greater % of income to do that before. Others would think it’s absolutely insane to even consider. Yet there are people out there who decide to do exactly that. Especially if he gets 80%+ of the next 4 years salaries guaranteed at a lower APY, he makes sure he is quite financially secure and still gives his team a chance to win games and compete for titles
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
two too many mays in that sentence
I said Jackson may be available because I have no way of knowing if he is or isn't. The Jets hopefully do. And in my view Rodgers is still elite.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 05:21:55 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2023, 05:23:56 PM
Carr is a good quarterback, but in a loaded AFC, he's a bit like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Which is still significantly more likely to keep us alive than the toothpick we’ve been bringing to the fight this decade
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 05:24:26 PM
Which is still significantly more likely to keep us alive than the toothpick we’ve been bringing to the fight this decade
That's fair.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2023, 05:26:37 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 05:31:20 PM
So Rodgers is a money-hungry douchebag who won't leave $60M on the table, but Carr would gladly pass up millions of dollars to help the Jets? Is that the new narrative?Are you really this dim? I thought the MLF stuff was a one-off...but now not so much.
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 05:32:37 PM
Carr is a good quarterback, but in a loaded AFC, he's a bit like bringing a knife to a gunfight.No it isnt
Post by: Jumbo on March 01, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
You seem to want a superstar QB. There isn't one available.
The person who has won the majority of MVPs over the last three seasons is available.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2023, 05:40:26 PM
The person who has won the majority of MVPs over the last three seasons is available.
No, he's not. He might be. We don't know that yet.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2023, 06:04:29 PM
No it isntThe Raiders literally just determined that this offseason, so they are cutting him.
Post by: Coach K on March 01, 2023, 06:19:28 PM
The Raiders literally just determined that this offseason, so they are cutting him.Yes because McDaniels is a great HC and the raiders front office has mastered personnel
I think Carr is 11 to 13 if im ranking qbs
There's Rodgers
A tier down is carr
Multiple tiers down is everyone else
Carr would look like Marino in a jets uni compared to what we've seen
My propensity for carr comes from him never having a defense
And not wanting to wait 2 months for Rodgers
I'll take Rodgers if he can decide by this weekend
Otherwise I want to finish knowing how to build yhis roster out asap
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2023, 07:24:27 PM
The Raiders literally just determined that this offseason, so they are cutting him.Lol Josh McDaniels.
Didn't this idiot spend a 1st round pick on Tim Tebow?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2023, 07:47:21 PM
So Rodgers is a money-hungry douchebag who won't leave $60M on the table, but Carr would gladly pass up millions of dollars to help the Jets? Is that the new narrative?
60 million guaranteed
And realistically nobody is trading significant assets unless he's playing multiple years
So you're probably talking closer to 200 million
Regardless there's few humans in existence who are leaving close to a quarter billion dollars on the table
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2023, 07:49:57 PM
Yes because McDaniels is a great HC and the raiders front office has mastered personnel
I think Carr is 11 to 13 if im ranking qbs
There's Rodgers
A tier down is carr
Multiple tiers down is everyone else
Carr would look like Marino in a jets uni compared to what we've seen
My propensity for carr comes from him never having a defense
And not wanting to wait 2 months for Rodgers
I'll take Rodgers if he can decide by this weekend
Otherwise I want to finish knowing how to build yhis roster out asap
I find it hard to think of Carr as a QB close to a top 10 QB
But the reality is you got several guys who either retired or are on the cusp of death
So Carr is definitely right in that range you suggested, maybe even flirting with top 10
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2023, 09:10:28 PM
I find it hard to think of Carr as a QB close to a top 10 QB
But the reality is you got several guys who either retired or are on the cusp of death
So Carr is definitely right in that range you suggested, maybe even flirting with top 10
Rank the QBs (who deserve to be considered legitimate starting level players) and see where he falls for you
Post by: steves850 on March 01, 2023, 10:06:32 PM
Whoever we end up with, we’ll all be trying to convince ourselves it’s the right pick and praying for an offensive line to keep them upright.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 02, 2023, 10:06:31 AM
Rank the QBs (who deserve to be considered legitimate starting level players) and see where he falls for youIf you really like Carr, you can make a case for top 10. I don't think so though. I think there's 6 elite young guys (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Lamar). Rodgers is next. Lawrence probably after given his upside. Then from 9-19, I think you can put Prescott, Cousins, Watson, Goff, Tua, Stafford, Carr, Jones, Geno, Kyler and Russ in almost any order you want. Besides Cousins, Carr has fewer question marks than anyone in that tier, but he also has the lowest ceiling IMO.
I think I would put Carr around the 14-17 range.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2023, 03:07:05 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 02, 2023, 05:37:39 PM
Carolina has entered the Rodgers derby
They should trade everything for him.
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2023, 05:46:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 02, 2023, 05:49:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ThePanthersWire/status/1631420448964575234
Is this guy just the Carolina version of Connor Hughes?
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 02, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
We're either gonna get Kirk Cousinsd again or Carr doesn't really want NO
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2023, 02:43:24 PM
Saints ready to sign CarrWe're ready too...but we have to wait for Rodgers to fart on Woody's nose officially first.
We're either gonna get Kirk Cousinsd again or Carr doesn't really want NO
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 02:46:03 PM
We're ready too...but we have to wait for Rodgers to fart on Woody's nose officially first.Schefter is basically saying Packers moving on with love so its Jets or retirement for Rodgers
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2023, 02:48:04 PM
We're ready too...but we have to wait for Rodgers to fart on Woody's nose officially first.
Carr has more say than the Jets in this one. It's his choice. He may want to go play in a dome in a weak division.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 02:50:24 PM
Carr has more say than the Jets in this one. It's his choice. He may want to go play in a dome in a weak division.Yeah nfc south will be a joke unless Lamar lends in ATL
But division is weak for sure
If Jimmy G ends up in TB and Lamar in ATL that could blow up in his face lol
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2023, 02:50:48 PM
Carr has more say than the Jets in this one. It's his choice. He may want to go play in a dome in a weak division.Hes waiting for a Rodgers decision too
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 02:52:09 PM
I'm happy with either
But any other option is unacceptable even though they're still am upgrade over the laughable qb output we've had for well as long as I've lived sans 1 or 2 Vinny or Chad seasons and 1 decent Fitz yr lol
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2023, 02:54:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2023, 02:55:44 PM
The jets need to set a deadline on Rodgers....they need a decision before FA begins.
There's still plenty of time until then
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
There's still plenty of time until then10 days?
Just figure it out.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 03:08:52 PM
Carr can take his wine and dine trips and make a decision by then but if Rodgers is milling around and there's no real dialogue going on in the background you have to pivot soon
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 03:09:25 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2023, 03:13:48 PM
Jimmy g brissett minshew tannehill all still better than what we had but . Won't pretend I'm excited lol
Post by: Jumbo on March 03, 2023, 06:03:13 PM
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Daniel Jeremiah and Rich Eisen both mention hearing things "In the halls" of the combine.
DJ says he thinks Rodgers will be a Jet.
Also added he doesn't think it will take a 1st.
pls
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2023, 06:27:47 PM
https://twitter.com/JacobMorley/status/1631791130164559875Easy there...don't let those hopes get too high
pls
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2023, 09:34:48 PM
https://twitter.com/JacobMorley/status/1631791130164559875
pls
Who else is likely to be in on him? I don’t think anybody. Offer a 3 this year and a conditional 4 th next year (if we don’t make playoffs and he retires) which escalates to a 3 with a PO appearance and Rodgers returns in 2024, and a 2 with an AFCCG appearance or better with Rodgers returning for 2024. Win it all and GB can have their 1st.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2023, 07:31:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2023, 07:58:44 PM
Saints freeing up a whole bunch of cap spaceBrissett will be expensive
Post by: Coach K on March 04, 2023, 08:46:42 PM
Saints freeing up a whole bunch of cap spaceTheyre going full Ditka for Lamar lol
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2023, 08:58:15 PM
Theyre going full Ditka for Lamar lol
Just because the only person in the world who thinks Lamar is getting traded is on this board doesn't mean the saints think that too
Post by: Libero_2 on March 04, 2023, 09:51:39 PM
Saints freeing up a whole bunch of cap space
They had to do this anyways. They also clearly want to show Carr they can sign him and others to be able to compete. I’m obviously biased, but I think the Jets are the top destination for any FA QB this offseason, so Carr should prefer us. But that doesn’t mean he will.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2023, 10:18:57 PM
But for a QB there's gonna be appeal playing in a dome, and being with his old buddy buddy coach
Post by: Heismanberg on March 04, 2023, 10:32:50 PM
The Jets are obviously a better football team
But for a QB there's gonna be appeal playing in a dome, and being with his old buddy buddy coach
We have Todd Downing now. Carr had his best seasons with him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 05, 2023, 04:35:03 AM
Just because the only person in the world who thinks Lamar is getting traded is on this board doesn't mean the saints think that tooI wouldn't be surprised if Lamar gets traded. I don't think the Ravens are giving him the salary he wants.
I think the most likely scenario is he stays under the tag. We will know a lot more based on what tag they give him. But I feel I've heard a lot more people think Lamar might be gone recently.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2023, 09:23:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Lamar gets traded. I don't think the Ravens are giving him the salary he wants.I struggle with the logic that the Ravens don't think he's worth as much money as he wants, but another team thinks that he is worth not only all that money but also an absolute raft of draft collateral.
I think the most likely scenario is he stays under the tag. We will know a lot more based on what tag they give him. But I feel I've heard a lot more people think Lamar might be gone recently.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 09:45:09 AM
I struggle with the logic that the Ravens don't think he's worth as much money as he wants, but another team thinks that he is worth not only all that money but also an absolute raft of draft collateral.It'll come to you in time
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
It'll come to you in timeOr, and this seems to be a very widely held view, he is not worth as much as you and he seem to think he is.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 09:52:32 AM
Or, and this seems to be a very widely held view, he is not worth as much as you and he seem to think he is.Or...you're off your rocker
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 05, 2023, 11:23:47 AM
I struggle with the logic that the Ravens don't think he's worth as much money as he wants, but another team thinks that he is worth not only all that money but also an absolute raft of draft collateral.Is it much different than the Raiders cutting Derek Carr and teams lining up to sign him for a similar salary with more years?
Different teams value players differently
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2023, 11:32:50 AM
Is it much different than the Raiders cutting Derek Carr and teams lining up to sign him for a similar salary with more years?
Different teams value players differently
Yes, because no one wanted to trade for Carr on his current contract.
I think Lamar has overplayed his hand because he's too dumb to have an agent, so the Ravens are now saying "fine, go find your market value and then we'll decide whether we're willing to pay it". I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is giving up two firsts and $50M a year fully guaranteed for him. If they do I really hope it's not us.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 11:34:19 AM
Yes, because no one wanted to trade for Carr on his current contract.Why are you so against this? Do you hate winning that much?
I think Lamar has overplayed his hand because he's too dumb to have an agent, so the Ravens are now saying "fine, go find your market value and then we'll decide whether we're willing to pay it". I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is giving up two firsts and $50M a year fully guaranteed for him. If they do I really hope it's not us.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2023, 12:19:12 PM
Why are you so against this? Do you hate winning that much?
I like winning very much. I would like to do it right now. I don't think we would do it with Jackson, given he has failed to be a winner in Baltimore - he has won one playoff game in five seasons quarterbacking one of the best run teams in the league. His MVP season he threw for barely over 3000 yards and then choked completely against the Titans.
He would be better than what we have currently, but he is not remotely good enough to be worth giving up the farm for IMO.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 12:23:03 PM
I like winning very much. I would like to do it right now. I don't think we would do it with Jackson, given he has failed to be a winner in Baltimore - he has won one playoff game in five seasons quarterbacking one of the best run teams in the league. His MVP season he threw for barely over 3000 yards and then choked completely against the Titans.Nope...hes worth it and more. And if the Ravens do something stupid like using the Non-exclusive tag, you're gonna see the QB market focus on Lamar, including the New York Football Jets.
He would be better than what we have currently, but he is not remotely good enough to be worth giving up the farm for IMO.
Post by: reuben on March 05, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
Why are you so against this? Do you hate winning that much?
Fully guaranteeing a rushing quarterback's massive salary is one of the dumbest moves this or any franchise could possibly make.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 01:31:00 PM
Fully guaranteeing a rushing quarterback's massive salary is one of the dumbest moves this or any franchise could possibly make.No it isnt...lol
Jesus, not even close.
And if you think Lamar is strictly a rushing QB, I would suggest you watch a little more football than you have been.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 05, 2023, 01:40:04 PM
No it isnt...lol
Jesus, not even close.
And if you think Lamar is strictly a rushing QB, I would suggest you watch a little more football than you have been.
Reubens point is entirely surrounding Jackson’s health. Jackson is a better thrower of the football than Vick was at this point in their respective careers, but his athleticism (the thing that makes him truly special) will start to slow around 30, just like every RBs does.
Do you think he can compensate in other areas of the game to account for that? Surely YOU do. But to say not everyone does isn’t a big shock.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2023, 01:47:34 PM
I'm not fine with doing that and trading all our picks
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 02:01:03 PM
Reubens point is entirely surrounding Jackson’s health. Jackson is a better thrower of the football than Vick was at this point in their respective careers, but his athleticism (the thing that makes him truly special) will start to slow around 30, just like every RBs does.I'm fine with differing opinions...when they make sense. That doesn't, and it's a lazy take.
Do you think he can compensate in other areas of the game to account for that? Surely YOU do. But to say not everyone does isn’t a big shock.
Jackson's health is fine. He took himself out late in the season because he didn't want to risk further injury for a team that's currently lowballing him (in his eyes, not mine). I would've done the same thing.
The only FA QB worth having injury worries over is Jimmy G.
Post by: reuben on March 05, 2023, 02:55:21 PM
And if you think Lamar is strictly a rushing QB, I would suggest you watch a little more football than you have been.
There's no such thing as "strictly a rushing quarterback" in the NFL. But Lamar threw for 2200 yards last season and only broke 3000 yards once in his career. If you think his value in the league isn't predicated on his rushing ability, I don't know what you've been watching but it hasn't been Baltimore football.
To be clear, I think he's a great player. I think there's room in the modern game for Lamar Jackson to win it all. However, I think fully guaranteeing a contract for an adamantium-boned, indestructible pocket passer would be bad business, and fully guaranteeing one for a rushing quarterback who's missed at least a quarter of the last two seasons is absolute. freaking. insanity.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 03:03:04 PM
There's no such thing as "strictly a rushing quarterback" in the NFL. But Lamar threw for 2200 yards last season and only broke 3000 yards once in his career. If you think his value in the league isn't predicated on his rushing ability, I don't know what you've been watching but it hasn't been Baltimore football.
To be clear, I think he's a great player. I think there's room in the modern game for Lamar Jackson to win it all. However, I think fully guaranteeing a contract for an adamantium-boned, indestructible pocket passer would be bad business, and fully guaranteeing one for a rushing quarterback who's missed at least a quarter of the last two seasons is absolute. freaking. insanity.
Lamar can score...whether it's throwing for TDs or running them in, and he's just entering his prime years. His rushing ability is just an additional wrinkle that keeps DCs up at night...he can make all the throws too.
I'm not a fan of Watson's guaranteed contract...but in the grand scheme of things, that's pretty far down on the totem pole of giving a excrement. It's not my money, and I'm sure JD is smart enough not to hang out his salary cap to dry...
And again, Lamar took himself out of the last few games to ensure he didn't freak himself out of a contract due to further injury...self preservation with no contract is smart and I don't blame him at all.
I'd love to see Lamar taking the snaps with Breece in the backfield, along with GW as WR1....good luck defending that.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
Not his genetics
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 03:47:03 PM
Jackson's playstyle is the concerns about his long term healthJackson has gone on record that he wants to throw from the pocket more.
Not his genetics
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2023, 04:34:13 PM
Jackson has gone on record that he wants to throw from the pocket more.
That's what Russell Wilson said when he went to Denver, and we saw how that turned out. Not sure asking Hackett to do the same dance all over again makes much sense.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2023, 04:54:45 PM
Jackson has gone on record that he wants to throw from the pocket more.
Has he shown he can be a successful passer without the threat of his legs?
Sounds like an expensive risk
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
That's what Russell Wilson said when he went to Denver, and we saw how that turned out. Not sure asking Hackett to do the same dance all over again makes much sense.Lol at comparing a social retard like Russell Wilson with Lamar.
Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson are not the same
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 06:06:51 PM
Has he shown he can be a successful passer without the threat of his legs?He sure has...many times
Sounds like an expensive risk
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 06:09:04 PM
Rodgers will run too
So will Carr.
It's just that Lamar does it really well.
So you might as well get over it.
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 06:45:59 PM
Post by: Badger on March 05, 2023, 07:17:36 PM
Guys...most QBs run, it's part of playing the position in today's game. Guys like Kerry Collins, peyton manning, Tom Brady, Flacco, etc...pocket statues are a dying breed.Isn't Carr kind of a statue?
Rodgers will run too
So will Carr.
It's just that Lamar does it really well.
So you might as well get over it.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 05, 2023, 07:18:59 PM
Isn't Carr kind of a statue?
nah
Post by: Libero_2 on March 05, 2023, 08:11:42 PM
Twitter is heating up...it looks like it's going to be Carr or Rodgers. Which I'm fine with too.
Which has been the prevailing thought the entire time
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 05, 2023, 08:14:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 08:17:01 PM
Isn't Carr kind of a statue?Nah...he'll scramble
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 08:17:12 PM
Which has been the prevailing thought the entire timeDuh
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 08:17:33 PM
Guys Twiiter is heating up. Looks like we’re in the market for a QB.Hey Cato....freak youuuu is heating up
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 05, 2023, 10:59:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2023, 11:59:20 PM
Guys...most QBs run, it's part of playing the position in today's game. Guys like Kerry Collins, peyton manning, Tom Brady, Flacco, etc...pocket statues are a dying breed.
Rodgers will run too
So will Carr.
It's just that Lamar does it really well.
So you might as well get over it.
I don't know if you're intentionally being dense.
Obviously every QB runs and every QB passes.
And if Lamar wasn't too top 10 or probably top 5 QB at effectiveness at running the ball. He wouldn't even be a top 20 QB. I'm not even sure he'd be a starter.
This isn't to say he can't make some great plays in the air , but his game is entirely built around other teams worrying about him owning them on the ground
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:35:27 AM
I don't know if you're intentionally being dense.1. You're the last person that should be calling anyone dense on this board.
Obviously every QB runs and every QB passes.
And if Lamar wasn't too top 10 or probably top 5 QB at effectiveness at running the ball. He wouldn't even be a top 20 QB. I'm not even sure he'd be a starter.
This isn't to say he can't make some great plays in the air , but his game is entirely built around other teams worrying about him owning them on the ground
2. No, he can do everything. But his ground game is lethal, so why not take advantage of it?
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 03:13:11 AM
How'd this turn into a multi hour debate lop
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 04:40:22 AM
Carr was never known as a statue and his mobility is underrated imoI heard Rodgers puts mayo in his Ayahuasca.
How'd this turn into a multi hour debate lop
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 08:27:41 AM
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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17m
As @JFowlerESPN
notes on @GetUpESPN
, #Jets still involved with Rodgers, but contract ($59M in ‘23) is a roadblock. Sounds like they want GB to eat some money. FWIW: AR said in late January he’d be willing to adjust contract. Everything is negotiable - contract, draft comp.
atta boy JD
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 09:19:15 AM
Rodgers it is then.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:21:38 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1632761979373862915
Rodgers it is then.
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Lamar Jackson
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:32:14 AM
We really needed Rodgers to make a decision first. I hope Woody/JD know what they're doing.
Post by: Laxin on March 06, 2023, 09:37:39 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 09:37:59 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 09:38:40 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:40:22 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 09:42:47 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 09:44:17 AM
Woddy about to trade 5 first round picks for Lamar while simultaneously lighting dcm's bowlcut on fire.
And you along with TGG will be thinking we won that trade
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:45:31 AM
And you along with TGG will be thinking we won that trade
Somehow, TGG knows more about football than you do.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:46:31 AM
@JFowlerESPN
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2m
#Saints made their final pitch to Derek Carr late last night and early this morning. Carr slept on it and ultimately decided to sign with New Orleans, who had zeroed in on him from beginning.
#Jets remain in on Aaron Rodgers
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:46:48 AM
Post by: delavan on March 06, 2023, 09:50:04 AM
Lamar Jackson
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Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:52:16 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Mumbles_RFC_clubhouse.JPG/360px-Mumbles_RFC_clubhouse.JPG)
bleeeeeeedat
Post by: steves850 on March 06, 2023, 09:52:36 AM
Regarding his health concerns:
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards (https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards)
Regarding he 'not being a passer' who gives a freak? He scores points and can throw the ball. He takes what the defense gives him and he wins.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:53:27 AM
I don't want to rehash the debate but Lamar Jackson would be the best QB possible and it isn't even close.
Regarding his health concerns:
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards (https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards)
Regarding he 'not being a passer' who gives a freak? He scores points and can throw the ball. He takes what the defense gives him and he wins.
he can pass, don't listen to the pairs of clown shoes like dcm.
Post by: steves850 on March 06, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
he can pass, don't listen to the pairs of clown shoes like dcm.
I agree, was just addressing the argument. It's ridiculous.
I don't think it's likely we get Lamar but to act like he wouldn't be the best option is insanity.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 09:57:38 AM
I agree, was just addressing the argument. It's ridiculous.
I don't think it's likely we get Lamar but to act like he wouldn't be the best option is insanity.
Literally nobody thinks Lamar can't pass or isn't a better football player than the other options.
The compensation it would cost for a QB whose running game is the backbone of his kit would be franchise crippling.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:00:01 AM
Literally nobody thinks Lamar can't pass or isn't a better football player than the other options.
The compensation it would cost for a QB whose running game is the backbone of his kit would be franchise crippling.
this was freaking dumb the first 20x you posted it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 10:00:10 AM
Giving a quarterback who relies on his legs guaranteed salary over several years is very risky, especially when he's gotten hurt back-to-back years. Especially when you're likely giving up two firsts. But the ceiling may be higher than anyone else out there with Lamar, and he's relatively young. I'm not sure if he's entering his prime because as a guy who relies on his legs, his prime is earlier than most quarterbacks.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:00:29 AM
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Dianna Russini
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8m
Before Derek Carr grew support in the Jets building, there were many who were pushing for Jimmy Garoppolo.
Worth keeping an eye on as we continue to wait for Rodgers to make a decision.
i'm already looking at the QB class in the 2024 draft.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 10:02:31 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 10:02:37 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:03:22 AM
Lamar Jackson's value is largely derived from his rushing ability. I don't know how that's turned into a debate because it should be obvious. He can pass the ball, but the reason he was MVP and the reason he's a star is because of his rushing.
Giving a quarterback who relies on his legs guaranteed salary over several years is very risky, especially when he's gotten hurt back-to-back years. Especially when you're likely giving up two firsts. But the ceiling may be higher than anyone else out there with Lamar, and he's relatively young. I'm not sure if he's entering his prime because as a guy who relies on his legs, his prime is earlier than most quarterbacks.
The Ravens have ALWAYS been a run first team...Harbaugh, Billick, Marchabroda....they all relied heavily on the run game. So of course, Lamar was going to be used heavily in the run game. My point is, it doesn't have to be. He's shown the world that he can read a defense and make all the throws. If Hackett wanted to dial back on the design runs for Lamar to preserve his health, i'm sure they would do that. He'll still produce at a high level.
You guys worry about the most mundane excrement.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:04:41 AM
Well I hate this.
Guys, Cato's hate is heating up
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 10:05:02 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 10:07:36 AM
The Ravens have ALWAYS been a run first team...Harbaugh, Billick, Marchabroda....they all relied heavily on the run game. So of course, Lamar was going to be used heavily in the run game. My point is, it doesn't have to be. He's shown the world that he can read a defense and make all the throws. If Hackett wanted to dial back on the design runs for Lamar to preserve his health, i'm sure they would do that. He'll still produce at a high level.Lamar Jackson is arguably the greatest rushing QB in NFL history. That's why he's used in the run game. Not because Ted Marchibroda ran the ball in the late 90's.
You guys worry about the most mundane excrement.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:08:05 AM
Lamar Jackson is arguably the greatest rushing QB in NFL history. That's why he's used in the run game. Not because Ted Marchibroda ran the ball in the late 90's.
if you're going to miss the point (like usual), don't bother responding. Thanks.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 10:12:08 AM
At this point just get Jimmy G into a contract we can get out of without much bleeding, try to groom Wilson into a top 50 QB, And start working on a list of candidates to replace Douglas with in the next 2 years
freak off
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 10:12:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:12:29 AM
freak off
This
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:13:37 AM
Unfortunately, Carr signing first gives the Packers back their leverage. This is one of the reasons why i preferred signing Carr asap.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 10:15:10 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 10:15:56 AM
At least we didn't get roped into another Kirk Cousins' situation.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:16:51 AM
Bringing in Jimmy G for a visit like tomorrow takes that leverage back
No it doesn't.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 10:17:56 AM
Assuming Rodgers goes back to GB or retires
Post by: insanity on March 06, 2023, 10:21:34 AM
this was freaking dumb the first 20x you posted it.It's dumb except everyone but two people on this board think it's accurate. One is you
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 10:22:01 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:28:47 AM
It's dumb except everyone but two people on this board think it's accurate. One is you
I'm not going to apologize for being correct. Enjoy your stay in the JO hivemind.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:29:27 AM
Who are the QB's coming out in 2024 that I should keep an eye on?
Caleb Williams
Drake Maye
but we'll have to tank hard to have to shot at either of them.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 10:31:39 AM
Caleb Williams
Drake Maye
but we'll have to tank hard to have to shot at either of them.
Given this team's history, tanking comes pretty naturally.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:34:00 AM
Given this team's history, tanking comes pretty naturally.
JE might pout a little. But you have to crack a few eggs to make dat omelette.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 10:38:09 AM
Given this team's history, tanking comes pretty naturally.
we messed it up last time and that's why we're in this mess
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:38:25 AM
@RichCimini
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1h
Appears that Carr got tired of waiting for the Rodgers shoe to drop. And so now the Jets are focused on Rodgers. This doesn’t help their negotiating position with GB.
i really think we fucked up.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 10:39:08 AM
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Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 10:49:15 AM
It’ll be a slight disaster not ending up with Carr or Rodgers (or Lamar). Yay for QB purgatory.Itll be JD and Saleh looking for a new freaking job
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 10:49:52 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 10:51:34 AM
I think a healthy Jimmy G and a healthy Derek Carr are similar caliber players. Carr's durability sets him apart from Jimmy G, but you're also likely paying for that durability.I think Jimmy G means Zach wilson because Jimmy is made out of egg shell
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 10:52:27 AM
Will Levis SZNBoo
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 10:52:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 10:55:35 AM
Will Levis SZNI am on board with QB at 13 if any of the top four are there. I have questions about all four, but stopgap and 1st-rd pick is probably the next-best solution if Rodgers doesn't come.
I'm not including Lamar as a realistic candidate until we see what tag they give him.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 10:56:01 AM
I cant believe Woody is rolling the dice on Rodgers. Carr was a layup signing.
What?
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
What?Rolling the dice...on Rodgers....Carr was an easy layup?
What part befuddles you
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
If we take Will Levis at 13, I will become a Houston Gamblers fan and tailgate by myself.Then we can draft two white guy busts with super strong arms . Yay
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:02:46 AM
The level of mediocre this team will be. Totally uninspiring.
My avatar is a disgrace
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:03:36 AM
Rolling the dice...on Rodgers....Carr was an easy layup?
What part befuddles you
The entire concept. You'd rather commit 4 years to a slightly above average quarterback in a conference loaded with elite ones than roll the dice on the guy who won 2 of the last 3 MVPs.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:04:33 AM
The entire concept. You'd rather commit 4 years to a slightly above average quarterback in a conference loaded with elite QBs than roll the dice on the guy who won 2 of the last 3 MVPs.Considering they may not be here next year lol . They better get Rodgers
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:06:24 AM
Considering they may not be here next year lol . They better get Rodgers
I don't care about their freaking job security.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:08:49 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:09:29 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 11:10:04 AM
No one ever will know if Carr would've signed with the Jets, but I'd be pissed if he was ready to sign on the dotted line and we just kept stringing him along bc we were waiting on Rodgers.
Assuming Rodgers goes back to GB or retires
Rich Cimini
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1h
Appears that Carr got tired of waiting for the Rodgers shoe to drop. And so now the Jets are focused on Rodgers. This doesn’t help their negotiating position with GB.
i really think we fucked up.
The Jets strike again
Post by: Libero_2 on March 06, 2023, 11:10:44 AM
Time will tell if we fucked up by not taking Carr when he was an option, but hopefully we do get Rodgers later this week.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 11:11:44 AM
I'll panic if we go into the draft with Jimmy Garoppolo or Ryan Tannehill
TBH, I think that's very very likely
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:12:46 AM
The entire concept. You'd rather commit 4 years to a slightly above average quarterback in a conference loaded with elite QBs than roll the dice on the guy who won 2 of the last 3 MVPs.
yes
Rodgers isn't exactly an iron-clad, risk averse option.
-It's going to cost us draft capital, more so now because Carr still being on the table was our leverage.
-Rodgers is 40, yes he played well 2 years ago but started showing signs of being human last year. Not everybody plays well into their 40s.
-He's also a bit of lunatic like his predecessor in that he could commit to us now, but then decide to retire at a later date but before the season.
- Chances are, we'll be doing this again with him next offseason (darkness retreat 2.0)
Would i like to have him on the Jets? Sure....but now we're relying on it. We needed Rodgers to make a decision before Carr. Who knows how long he draws this out.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 11:13:25 AM
Well this sucks. Obviously nothing to do at this point but wait for Rodgers.
Time will tell if we fucked up by not taking Carr when he was an option, but hopefully we do get Rodgers later this week.
I pray that Woody doesn't force JD to overpay, only to see him retire after one season
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:13:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:14:12 AM
I'm not going to panic because we didn't give an average QB coming off his worst season in half-a-decade a massive contract.
Who cares
Are you forking over the signing bonus or something?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:14:21 AM
It's going to cost us draft capital, more so now because Carr still being on the table was our leverage.
I've never believed this. Green Bay does not have leverage. Rodgers can tell him trade me to New York or I'll retire. He has all the leverage and always has.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:15:26 AM
I've never believed this. Green Bay does not have leverage. Rodgers can tell him trade me to New York or I'll retire. He has all the leverage and always has.
This. Carr's availability had no impact on our leverage.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 06, 2023, 11:15:38 AM
Packers still only have one team to negotiate with. That’s gotta be more leverage for us than Carr was, when we could still just pivot to Jimmy G anyways.
The point is we have another solid option (even if we don’t think he actually is). If GB is only negotiating with us because we are the only one calling, then we still hold the majority of the cards.
Were we hurt? Sure, but we still are negotiating from a place of power more so than GB was
I’d also say, trade terms are already finalized. We just need Rodgers to agree he’s playing
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:15:54 AM
I've never believed this. Green Bay does not have leverage. Rodgers can tell him trade me to New York or I'll retire. He has all the leverage and always has.
if Green Bay ends up with our 1st rounder...that means GB had the leverage and fleeced us.
Nobody in their right mind should give up a 1st round pick for a 40 year old QB.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:16:04 AM
I don't care about their freaking job security.You should considering downgrading is the usual MO around here
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:16:12 AM
if Green Bay ends up with our 1st rounder...that means GB had the leverage and fleeced us.
It just means our front office is stupid
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:16:29 AM
if Green Bay ends up with our 1st rounder...that means GB had the leverage and fleeced us.
Can we wait until that happens to form opinions about it?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
You should considering downgrading is the usual MO around here
Our most recent GM hire was the best we'd made in 20 years.
I hope Douglas keeps his job regardless of what happens this year.
If Saleh gets canned after missing the playoffs, I'm fine with it.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:17:49 AM
I don't care about their freaking job security.
This
Just like i don't give a excrement about contract money. That's woody's wallet, not ours.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:18:00 AM
yesObviously Rodgers has risk.
Rodgers isn't exactly an iron-clad, risk averse option.
-It's going to cost us draft capital, more so now because Carr still being on the table was our leverage.
-Rodgers is 40, yes he played well 2 years ago but started showing signs of being human last year. Not everybody plays well into their 40s.
-He's also a bit of lunatic like his predecessor in that he could commit to us now, but then decide to retire at a later date but before the season.
- Chances are, we'll be doing this again with him next offseason (darkness retreat 2.0)
What i like to have him on the Jets? Sure....but now we're relying on it. We needed Rodgers to make a decision before Carr. Who knows how long he draws this out.
But Carr isn't that good. The risk in Carr is that you are paying a lot of money for a guy who simply is average. Sure, he has been durable, but you are paying for that durability. It's Kirk Cousins.
If Jimmy G, Tannehill and Carr all play 17 games, I see little to no difference in their production. And if you get G or Tanny, you likely have extra money to spend elsewhere.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 06, 2023, 11:18:19 AM
if Green Bay ends up with our 1st rounder...that means GB had the leverage and fleeced us.
Nobody in their right mind should give up a 1st round pick for a 40 year old QB.
And if we pay a 4th and conditional next year does that mean we had the leverage all along?
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:18:54 AM
Can we wait until that happens to form opinions about it?
Not really, because bad excrement happens to this franchise all the time. So you might as well be prepared for all scenarios.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Just like i don't give a excrement about contract money. That's woody's wallet, not ours.
If this were baseball, I'd agree with you.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:19:38 AM
And if we pay a 4th and conditional next year does that mean we had the leverage all along?
that's a bingo.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:20:25 AM
If this were baseball, I'd agree with you.
New Orleans has proven the salary cap is a myth if you have a savvy cap guru on staff.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:20:28 AM
I don't care about their freaking job security.Kind of my point lol
Meaning if we don't get Carr or Rodgers they can start making calls about being demoted and working for another team next yr
Thats My way of saying might as well clean house if we end up with brissett or Jimmy g or minshew
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:21:59 AM
Obviously Rodgers has risk.
But Carr isn't that good. The risk in Carr is that you are paying a lot of money for a guy who simply is average. Sure, he has been durable, but you are paying for that durability. It's Kirk Cousins.
If Jimmy G, Tannehill and Carr all play 17 games, I see little to no difference in their production. And if you get G or Tanny, you likely have extra money to spend elsewhere.
I think Carr is above average, who has been let down by garbage defensive play during most if not his entire career.
I told you weeks ago that beggars can't be choosers. Given our QB play for the last 15 years, we should be hugging a durable QB like Derek Carr and welcome him with open arms to this team. Despite it being a moot point now.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:26:10 AM
I think Carr is above average, who has been let down by garbage defensive play during most if not his entire career.That's fine. I would prefer him over Jimmy G and Tannehill, too, but I just don't think it's so much of a difference for this board to be melting down over. Contracts will play a huge role, too. If Carr and Jimmy G get the same contract, then we made a huge mistake. If Jimmy is making a lot less money with a lot less guarantees, and we can use that money elsewhere, it gives us a better chance at winning a Super Bowl. It also gives us a better chance of having the whole thing blow up in our faces if Jimmy gets hurt and our backup is a major dropoff. I'm fine with accepting more risk for a chance to win big, whether that's taking a huge swing with Rodgers or going cheap elsewhere and trying to spend up elsewhere to make up the difference.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:26:22 AM
But Carr isn't that good
You've said this all along, but he'd be the best QB this team has had since Namath. Same goes for Rodgers obviously.
Durability and dependability are huge. Garoppolo and Tannehill can't provide that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:29:52 AM
You've said this all along, but he'd be the best QB this team has had since Namath. Same goes for Rodgers obviously.Any halfway decent QB we sign automatically becomes one of the best QBs in Jets history.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:31:40 AM
Any halfway decent QB we sign automatically becomes one of the best QBs in Jets history.
Carr would be the best.
Garoppolo and Tannehill would be on par with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:33:52 AM
Carr would be the best.This
Garoppolo and Tannehill would be on par with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:34:28 AM
Durability and dependability are huge. Garoppolo and Tannehill can't provide that.This is absolutely true, and it's why Carr is more valuable than Garoppolo and Tannehill. If they sign for the same contract, give me Carr 10 times out of 10.
But when they are healthy, I don't think there's a huge gap. Carr is probably a tiny bit better, but I think with any of them, you're just trying to get league-average production when healthy. How much extra money is that durability worth? And is Carr going to remain durable as he gets older? Tannehill was healthy 3 years in a row until he got hurt last year.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:35:02 AM
That's fine. I would prefer him over Jimmy G and Tannehill, too, but I just don't think it's so much of a difference for this board to be melting down over. Contracts will play a huge role, too. If Carr and Jimmy G get the same contract, then we made a huge mistake. If Jimmy is making a lot less money with a lot less guarantees, and we can use that money elsewhere, it gives us a better chance at winning a Super Bowl. It also gives us a better chance of having the whole thing blow up in our faces if Jimmy gets hurt and our backup is a major dropoff. I'm fine with accepting more risk for a chance to win big, whether that's taking a huge swing with Rodgers or going cheap elsewhere and trying to spend up elsewhere to make up the difference.
You want more risk, you want to win big....bring in Lamar freaking Jackson.
I will pump Lamar's tires and drive you motherfuckers nuts while doing it, if it means we can get him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:35:43 AM
You want more risk, you want to win big....bring in Lamar freaking Jackson.I'm not opposed to that, but if we do, we aren't turning him into a pocket passer...
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:36:06 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:37:19 AM
I'm not opposed to that, but if we do, we aren't turning him into a pocket passer...
Mack...for the love of christ...Lamar can throw from the pocket.
Post by: insanity on March 06, 2023, 11:38:18 AM
I'm not going to apologize for being correct. Enjoy your stay in the JO hivemind.You should apologize for not understanding asset allocation and risk management
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:38:39 AM
I think we end up with Rodgers at this point because in very confident anything less results I'm a house cleaning in 2024
My only gleaming hope is that Rodgers was in NYC over the weekend. And Duane Brown is coming back. There has to be a correlation between the 2.
But i'll believe it when i see it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 11:38:44 AM
I think we end up with Rodgers at this point because in very confident anything less results I'm a house cleaning in 2024I think you're being too pessimistic on the housecleaning part based on the Carr news.
We had atrocious QB play last season. If we can go from awful to mediocre, we should be in the playoff hunt. Might not make it, but we will be in the mix. Is everyone fired if we barely miss the playoffs? It probably depends how the season goes.
I agree that I think we end up with Rodgers. I've felt that for a long time.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:39:07 AM
You should apologize for not understanding asset allocation and risk management
you should apologize for your dumbfuck MCU posts....but i digress.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:40:28 AM
I think you're being too pessimistic on the housecleaning part based on the Carr news.I said if we don't land Rodgers
We had atrocious QB play last season. If we can go from awful to mediocre, we should be in the playoff hunt. Might not make it, but we will be in the mix. Is everyone fired if we barely miss the playoffs? It probably depends how the season goes.
I agree that I think we end up with Rodgers. I've felt that for a long time.
If 5 games of Jimmy g or a season of brisset or minshew and more middling end of year performances gives you the impression woody will be satisfied
I think that's as naive as I am pessimistic
Post by: insanity on March 06, 2023, 11:43:42 AM
you should apologize for your dumbfuck MCU posts....but i digress.Sick burn
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:45:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:45:38 AM
Sick burn
rub some dirt on it...you'll live
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:46:10 AM
Lol are we at the turn on eachother portion of jets offseason
we gud
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 11:51:15 AM
Lol are we at the turn on eachother portion of jets offseason
not even close, babbie
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 11:59:11 AM
I cant believe Woody is rolling the dice on Rodgers. Carr was a layup signing.Not if we weren't his #1 choice. Kinda the whole concept of free agency.
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
Can we wait until that happens to form opinions about it?Are you new here?
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 12:03:02 PM
Not if we weren't his #1 choice. Kinda the whole concept of free agency.
I'm leaning towards we were. i think he simply ran out of patience.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 12:03:07 PM
Not if we weren't his #1 choice. Kinda the whole concept of free agency.
BUT ANTOINE WINFIELD!
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 12:03:11 PM
Lol are we at the turn on eachother portion of jets offseasonJACKASS. ILL KILL YOU
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 12:03:45 PM
BUT ANTOINE WINFIELD!
Please....no.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:05:52 PM
I'm leaning towards we were. i think he simply ran out of patience.I feel this way too but who knows. All we can hope now is we get Rodgers and keep 13 in tact . Then sign some craft vet deals in FA
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 12:06:58 PM
I'm leaning towards we were. i think he simply ran out of patience.
Pelissero debunked this. He said the Saints were always #1.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:07:43 PM
Pelissero debunked this. He said the Saints were always #1.So we got Kirk Cousind again.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 12:07:43 PM
I feel this way too but who knows. All we can hope now is we get Rodgers and keep 13 in tact . Then sign some craft vet deals in FA
Up until Carr signed, i thought #13 would stay intact. I'm a little nervous now.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:08:05 PM
Up until Carr signed, i thought #13 would stay intact. I'm a little nervous now.I'd sooner eat excrement for a year than give up 13 for a 1 yr rental
No way
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 12:08:47 PM
So we got Kirk Cousind again.
No, because there was no bidding war. He was our fallback option.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:08:49 PM
You give up the 2nd and a conditional next yr if he returns . That's it .
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:09:26 PM
No, because there was no bidding war. He was our fallback option.Fallback option to a guy whos not actually a FA
Point being Carr was never gonna come here
And we were used to milk more out of NO
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 12:10:20 PM
BUT ANTOINE WINFIELD!
So we got Kirk Cousind again.Don't forget Anthony Barr too.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 12:13:19 PM
I'd sooner eat excrement for a year than give up 13 for a 1 yr rental
No way
we're on the same page
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:17:41 PM
we're on the same pageI've been Rodgers or Carr or bust the whole time but I've also said what Heis is saying
GB doesn't have leverage
Rodgers can retire and they get nothing or force a PR nightmare and insist on coming back to GB .
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 12:19:21 PM
I've been Rodgers or Carr or bust the whole time but I've also said what Heis is saying
GB doesn't have leverage
Rodgers can retire and they get nothing or force a PR nightmare and insist on coming back to GB .
I would've liked either of them....but i've been on the Lamar wagon since Dec. I'd like to see JD take a run at him.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 12:19:48 PM
Fallback option to a guy whos not actually a FA
Point being Carr was never gonna come here
And we were used to milk more out of NO
I don't see this as the same as Cousins
At no point ever was the narrative the Jets really want Carr
The narrative was always the Jets want to jerk off Rodgers with both hands. And if it doesn't happen we'll pivot to Carr
I absolutely don't blame him for wanting to go somewhere else. Compound that when you factor in its a dome in one of the worst divisions in football
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 12:19:50 PM
Quote
Ian Rapoport
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15m
The #Saints & Derek Carr agreed on a 4-yr deal for $150M with $100M in total guarantees, per me & @MikeGarafolo
. He gets $70M effectively fully guaranteed ($60M at signing, another $10M in Year 3 vesting after Year 1). Carr structures his deal to accommodate Saints’ cap issues.
there it is
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 12:21:24 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:25:50 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 12:26:21 PM
Copium!
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 12:49:08 PM
I"m changing the thread titleThat's why we pay you the big bucks.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 01:05:49 PM
That's why we pay you the big bucks.
This comment is so dad it groans when it gets out of a.chair.
Post by: Badger on March 06, 2023, 01:23:41 PM
This comment is so dad it groans when it gets out of a.chair.I make this joke like 30 times a year too.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 01:26:25 PM
I make this joke like 30 times a year too.
CAN I CALL
Post by: reuben on March 06, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2023, 01:50:11 PM
But has it been discussed anywhere on here what more interesting options are via the draft, specifically if we miss out on basically anyone even remotely appealing in free agency
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2023, 01:53:47 PM
https://www.ballysports.com/national/news/packers-stance-on-aaron-rodgers-and-the-nfl-stars-being-shopped
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 01:56:14 PM
I don't want to stir up a new debate or anything
But has it been discussed anywhere on here what more interesting options are via the draft, specifically if we miss out on basically anyone even remotely appealing in free agency
Yes...this being not a great QB draft here has been discussed at length.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 01:57:51 PM
Which is why I've heen a broken record about qb options for 2 months lol
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 02:06:52 PM
I don't want to stir up a new debate or anythingI've been waiting for someone to start a QB prospects thread in the draft forum, but between the 12 people on this board and nobody liking the QBs, nobody has done that.
But has it been discussed anywhere on here what more interesting options are via the draft, specifically if we miss out on basically anyone even remotely appealing in free agency
If we don't get Rodgers, we should absolutely have some young quarterback on the roster we are trying to develop. Maybe that's Zach Wilson. Maybe that's a rookie (not necessarily a Rd 1 pick). If we have Rodgers, then I think we should just keep Wilson as the backup and put all our resources into building the 2023 roster.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 02:07:01 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
I've been waiting for someone to start a QB prospects thread in the draft forum, but between the 12 people on this board and nobody liking the QBs, nobody has done that.
1. You have the ability to start threads.
2. There are multiple threads in the draft forum where we've discussed 2023 QB prospects already
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2023, 02:08:30 PM
If we take Will Levis at 13, I will become a Houston Gamblers fan and tailgate by myself.
Can’t sexually assault any women if you’re the only person at the tailgate, smart thinking brother
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2023, 02:09:48 PM
Can’t sexually assault any women if you’re the only person at the tailgate, smart thinking brother
no women if there's alcohol at the Gamblers Lounge
we are an LLC
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2023, 02:17:34 PM
Carr would be the best.
Garoppolo and Tannehill would be on par with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Not better than Geno sadly
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:18:58 PM
Yes...this being not a great QB draft here has been discussed at length.
As I recall, the last time there was board consensus that a QB class wasn't good (with multiple expected to go in the 1st round) was 2017.
The point being that we don't know excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
As I recall, the last time there was board consensus that a QB class wasn't good (with multiple expected to go in the 1st round) was 2017.
The point being that we don't know excrement.
This team needs a Hackenberg
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:23:11 PM
Given Saleh's closeness with LaFleur and Hackett's closeness with the man himself, I'd be very surprised if we didn't at least have some idea as to Rodgers' intentions, which is why I believe that we could already be negotiating trade compensation/logistics with the Packers.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:34:38 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:37:08 PM
I really don't understand the "Rodgers isn't worth the risk" people. Unless we're offering multiple 1sts for him, how could he not be worth the risk given the current landscape?
I'm not sayihg he isn't worth the risk...i'm just against giving up a 1st round pick for a 40 year old MVP who can't decide if he wants to play or not. A conditional 3rd, and i'm on board.
I preferred Carr because of his age/durability, he's most likely hungry to win a super bowl, and didn't cost any draft capital.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:39:36 PM
I'm not sayihg he isn't worth the risk...i'm just against giving up a 1st round pick for a 40 year old MVP who can't decide if he wants to play or not. A conditional 3rd, and i'm on board.
I preferred Carr because of his age/durability, he's most likely hungry to win a super bowl, and didn't cost any draft capital.
I understand compensation being a concern but his struggles last year can easily be attributed to playing with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and an inexperienced receiving corps, with which he still put up 3,700 yards, 65% completion rate, and a 26:12 TD:INT ratio (all outpacing Carr).
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:41:57 PM
I understand compensation being a concern given what you just mentioned but His struggles last year can easily be attributed to playing with an inexperienced receiving corps. and a broken thumb on his throwing hand. With which he still put up 3,700 yards, 65% completion rate, and a 26:12 TD:INT ratio (all outpacing Carr).
Great, but Carr is still 100% motivated to play in the league.
I have no freaking idea what Rodgers is thinking or doing. Which i have a problem with. Because if he commits now, and then waffles in July for example....then what?
he's won a title, he's won multiple MVPs, he's going to the HOF. There's nothing really left for him to do.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:45:59 PM
Great, but Carr is still 100% motivated to play in the league.
I have no freaking idea what Rodgers is thinking or doing. Which i have a problem with. Because if he commits now, and then waffles in July for example....then what?
he's won a title, he's won multiple MVPs, he's going to the HOF. There's nothing really left for him to do.
Spite all the naysayers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
Great, but Carr is still 100% motivated to play in the league.
I have no freaking idea what Rodgers is thinking or doing. Which i have a problem with. Because if he commits now, and then waffles in July for example....then what?
he's won a title, he's won multiple MVPs, he's going to the HOF. There's nothing really left for him to do.
Just like when Brady went to Tampa except with less accomplishments
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 02:49:05 PM
As I recall, the last time there was board consensus that a QB class wasn't good (with multiple expected to go in the 1st round) was 2017.I wanted Mahomes and Watson for the record . But I was also excited when we took Wilson
The point being that we don't know excrement.
Not a big fan of this class they're all 50 50 dice rolls with no consensus.
I'd sooner take a flier on a mid rd QB than a 1st rd QB
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 02:49:54 PM
Hold onto your butts boys
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:51:55 PM
I wanted Mahomes and Watson for the record . But I was also excited when we took Wilson
Not a big fan of this class they're all 50 50 dice rolls with no consensus.
I'd sooner take a flier on a mid rd QB than a 1st rd QB
You were definitely in the minority then. It's really amusing/sad looking back at all the commentary about Mahomes/Watson on this board back in 2017.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 02:51:56 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 02:53:01 PM
You were definitely in the minority then. It's really amusing/sad looking back at all the commentary revolving around Mahomes/Watson back in 2017.I'm a FSU fan so I had a first hand seat to how dominant Watson was
I called Mahommes a more mobile version of Favre
He ended up being even better (he would've been good anywhere hut Andy Reid is this gens Bill Walsh imo)
That's one of my years I'm proud of . But much like everyone else I have a few stinkers on my name too but yes I was a fan of both and wanted them.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:53:10 PM
I can already see the saltiness and shade grenades tossed back and forth between Rodgers and Cimini
That alone is almost worth whatever trade compensation we'll have to give up.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
Spite all the naysayers
Rodgers has literally told the world that nobody knows anything except him. Not Schefter, not Rapsheet, not glazer...nobody.
So, in essence, freak the naysayers until something changes.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:54:02 PM
Just like when Brady went to Tampa except with less accomplishments
bardy hates his wife...different situation.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:54:53 PM
You were definitely in the minority then. It's really amusing/sad looking back at all the commentary about Mahomes/Watson on this board back in 2017.
Never go back...always forward.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 02:57:14 PM
Never go back...always forward.
Those who forget the past...
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 02:57:43 PM
Those who forget the past...
Nobody likes the 3 eyed raven
Post by: reuben on March 06, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
Did you make this yourself?
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 03:27:50 PM
(http://www.thejetoffensive.com/upload_avatars/avatar_1_1678137133.jpg)
Did you make this yourself?
Christ no...i stole it from the interwebz, like everything else.
it looks stupid enough that it just might work to bring him here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 04:06:27 PM
(https://i.redd.it/l1a99n9xp6ma1.jpg)
Yea I would definitely not be watching this season with Wentz and Wilson as the top 2.
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2023, 04:11:31 PM
Yea I would definitely not be watching this season with Wentz and Wilson as the top 2.
Pretending like you can find better things to do on a Sunday afternoon than curse on the internet with the rest of us.
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 04:16:38 PM
Yea I would definitely not be watching this season with Wentz and Wilson as the top 2.
JE is right...you're gonna eat the same excrement sandwich like the rest of us, and smile while doing it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 04:19:21 PM
Pretending like you can find better things to do on a Sunday afternoon than curse on the internet with the rest of us.
We'll see.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 05:06:44 PM
3. As long as we are talking big-name quarterbacks, despite all the rumors of Derek Carr going to the Jets, one thing that held that up was that Jets owner Woody Johnson really wants Aaron Rodgers. So, the staff has had to be supportive of that. However, secretly, the rest of the team's front office wanted Derek Carr. Now that Carr is reportedly signing with New Orleans, the Jets are in “Hoping for Rodgers” mode. If that doesn't work out… who knows?
From Matthew Berry's combine takeaways article today.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 06:29:50 PM
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/matthew-berrys-nfl-combine-buzz/23-most-interesting-things-i-heard-combine
3. As long as we are talking big-name quarterbacks, despite all the rumors of Derek Carr going to the Jets, one thing that held that up was that Jets owner Woody Johnson really wants Aaron Rodgers. So, the staff has had to be supportive of that. However, secretly, the rest of the team's front office wanted Derek Carr. Now that Carr is reportedly signing with New Orleans, the Jets are in “Hoping for Rodgers” mode. If that doesn't work out… who knows?
From Matthew Berry's combine takeaways article today.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 06:40:28 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 06:40:45 PM
Post by: reuben on March 06, 2023, 06:43:26 PM
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/matthew-berrys-nfl-combine-buzz/23-most-interesting-things-i-heard-combine
3. As long as we are talking big-name quarterbacks, despite all the rumors of Derek Carr going to the Jets, one thing that held that up was that Jets owner Woody Johnson really wants Aaron Rodgers. So, the staff has had to be supportive of that. However, secretly, the rest of the team's front office wanted Derek Carr. Now that Carr is reportedly signing with New Orleans, the Jets are in “Hoping for Rodgers” mode. If that doesn't work out… who knows?
From Matthew Berry's combine takeaways article today.
My nipples are hard... for Allen Lazard.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 07:05:17 PM
My nipples are hard... for Allen Lazard.
#HardForLazard
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 07:13:48 PM
Can't believe I actually agree with Woody.You're gonna be hurt so bad
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 06, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/matthew-berrys-nfl-combine-buzz/23-most-interesting-things-i-heard-combine
3. As long as we are talking big-name quarterbacks, despite all the rumors of Derek Carr going to the Jets, one thing that held that up was that Jets owner Woody Johnson really wants Aaron Rodgers. So, the staff has had to be supportive of that. However, secretly, the rest of the team's front office wanted Derek Carr. Now that Carr is reportedly signing with New Orleans, the Jets are in “Hoping for Rodgers” mode. If that doesn't work out… who knows?
From Matthew Berry's combine takeaways article today.
freaking hell
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 07:20:15 PM
freaking hell
My favorite part is going to be when he blames and then fires the guy who knew more about football than him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2023, 07:50:47 PM
I think tomorrow night, the Jets trade our 2023 2nd and a 2024 2nd that can escalate to the 1st if we reach the Super Bowl. And we'll get back a conditional 2nd in 2025 if Rodgers isn't on the roster opening day 2024.
There's also the wild card of we don't know what Rodgers is thinking. Maybe he's not ready to make a decision, and he's a desirable enough player where he can probably wait it out and someone will trade for him down the road.
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2023, 07:57:34 PM
I don't know who he's shacked up with right now...
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 08:12:58 PM
I saw a fun theory that Rodgers is a product of whoever he's banging at the time. With Danica he was an athlete, with Olivia Munn he decided he wanted to be a media type, with Shailene Woodley he became a crystals and incense hippy, and with that Blu woman he become a complete loon.Kelly Ann Conway
I don't know who he's shacked up with right now...
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 08:35:57 PM
Kelly Ann Conway
"Rookies just don't want to work anymore!"
Post by: delavan on March 06, 2023, 08:40:32 PM
Kelly Ann ConwayWho should be getting dogged two-a-days by him and getting his mind back on football
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2023, 08:49:17 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2023, 09:05:33 PM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/yE0li3NBlrDxhRaMZkzfWoSoZPoP6CbkkBkP7vIkZTg.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=a030ef7922116bdfd80adc24536792b052afbff5)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 09:17:13 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2023, 11:15:31 PM
Quote
trey wingo @wingoz
Per sources. Aaron Rodgers and the Jets had conversations today. While nothing is imminent Rodgers is open to the idea of going to NY
Let's freaking go
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:21:12 PM
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trey wingo
@wingoz
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9m
Per sources. Aaron Rodgers and the Jets had conversations today. While nothing is imminent Rodgers is open to the idea of going to NY
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Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
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5m
The #Jets and QB Aaron Rodgers spoke on Monday, per @wingoz
. Rodgers is open to the idea of joining the Jets, but nothing is considered imminent at this point and time. But we have some movement.
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2023, 11:29:11 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:37:03 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2023, 11:42:24 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 06, 2023, 11:55:13 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 03:59:51 AM
BANG!
Nothing imminent my left nut. Dude will be a Jet by Thursday it’s just all negotiating the dollars and cents that’s left IMO.
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 07:37:57 AM
Nothing imminent my left nut. Dude will be a Jet by Thursday it’s just all negotiating the dollars and cents that’s left IMO.
I
Post by: insanity on March 07, 2023, 07:54:31 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1633100731686297604
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 08:12:26 AM
Rosenblatt claiming he was at Trader Joe's during the Carr signing news is incredible.
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 08:37:11 AM
Our current beat is one of the worst in all of sports.Yeah it boggles my mind how the Jets beat is the absolute worst .
Rosenblatt claiming he was at Trader Joe's during the Carr signing news is incredible.
When I go through YouTube jets fans for most of my content it tells you there's a problem in the media room .
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Get it done
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 08:38:58 AM
Post by: insanity on March 07, 2023, 09:09:04 AM
Yeah it boggles my mind how the Jets beat is the absolute worst .I mean there is a huge difference between the job of a youtuber and the job of a Beat reporter, but I get your point
When I go through YouTube jets fans for most of my content it tells you there's a problem in the media room .
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 09:35:12 AM
I mean there is a huge difference between the job of a youtuber and the job of a Beat reporter, but I get your pointThat makes it even worse when I can get better takes from them lol
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 09:35:48 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 09:44:13 AM
They're basically paid to write articles purely on conjecture.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1633113855202082818?t=KUUbS7MxURp2VnZgDZ6pzA&s=19
Get it done
Today is negotiate whatever the rework is with Rodgers / sell him on the Jets.
Wednesday is finalize details / physical /
organize paperwork / celebrate inside the organization day.
Thursday is formal submission of paperwork and announce to the world pending the March 15 date
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 09:47:22 AM
Today is negotiate whatever the rework is with Rodgers / sell him on the Jets.
Wednesday is finalize details / physical /
organize paperwork / celebrate inside the organization day.
Thursday is formal submission of paperwork and announce to the world pending the March 15 date
I don't see any time allotted for taking a excrement in that post.
Post by: steves850 on March 07, 2023, 10:16:38 AM
I don't see any time allotted for taking a excrement in that post.
That's what our beat reporters will be doing instead of reporting this story.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 10:21:44 AM
That's what our beat reporters will be doing instead of reporting this story.
@ZackBlatt: sorry guys, got stuck in 7/11's glory hole! Don't forget, #TheAthletic is only $1 this month!
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2023, 10:22:45 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1633113855202082818?t=KUUbS7MxURp2VnZgDZ6pzA&s=19Most encouraging tidbit so far.
Get it done
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 10:31:28 AM
Most encouraging tidbit so far.People rip on Cimini, but at least he will add relevant context to other people's reporting.
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2023, 10:37:30 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35804636
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 10:43:04 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 11:27:53 AM
Talks continue
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35804636
Weirdly sticking to my timeline
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2023, 11:32:33 AM
Weirdly sticking to my timelineSpeed it up.
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 11:48:02 AM
Speed it up.
the turtle beats the hare
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 12:02:25 PM
Speed it up.
My timeline has it as a deal done tomorrow, leaking out overnight and official Thursday morning. Not sure what more you want there
I only have so much magic in my bones Badger
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 12:14:20 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1633148006928195584
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 01:14:16 PM
@RobDemovsky
Update: Sources tell @DanGrazianoESPN
and me that a contingent of Jets team officials are scheduled to fly out today to meet in person with Aaron Rodgers.
bring the contract....and a pen.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 01:25:41 PM
Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky
Update: Sources tell @DanGrazianoESPN
and me that a contingent of Jets team officials are scheduled to fly out today to meet in person with Aaron Rodgers.
bring the contract....and a pen.
has to be Woody, Joe, Saleh, and Hackett
put Garrett Wilson on the plane too
Post by: steves850 on March 07, 2023, 01:27:34 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/5mBE2MiMVFITS/giphy.gif)
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
has to be Woody, Joe, Saleh, and HackettDon't forget Jeff Smith.
put Garrett Wilson on the plane too
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Plane watch.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 01:38:49 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
Someone better be in the bushes
to check on Calvin Pace?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 01:42:46 PM
to check on Calvin Pace?
you don't remember this?
https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1349151691233492992?s=20
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 01:44:19 PM
@BreeceH
·
5m
Don’t mind me…Just Manifesting @AaronRodgers12
😅
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 01:44:46 PM
you don't remember this?
https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1349151691233492992?s=20
of course
Post by: ons on March 07, 2023, 01:47:15 PM
has to be Woody, Joe, Saleh, and Hackett
put Garrett Wilson on the plane too
All 4 confirmed
https://twitter.com/dangrazianoespn/status/1633189427391389698?s=46&t=raiP9G-d-XR-I18-f6CKVA
possibly others: G Wilson and AVT obviously
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 02:04:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 02:11:19 PM
Rob Calabrese needs to bring some good drugs to close the deal. Todd Downing may know a guy.
Rob Calabrese's position will be made irrelevant with a Rodgers acquistion.
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 02:11:46 PM
All 4 confirmed
https://twitter.com/dangrazianoespn/status/1633189427391389698?s=46&t=raiP9G-d-XR-I18-f6CKVA
possibly others: G Wilson and AVT obviously
send Mangold and his realtor too.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 02:12:30 PM
Calabrese is probably calling plays for the scout team this season
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 02:13:04 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 07, 2023, 02:14:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 02:16:32 PM
Has there been a more exciting Jets rumor?
I think i speak for Johnny English when i say signing Mike Goodson was pretty damn cool.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Has there been a more exciting Jets rumor?Tyreek Hill was interesting last year. Unlike Rodgers, that one came out of nowhere.
There was like an hour where we had to grapple with whether or not we wanted him, both morally and on-the-field, as well as the reality that if we didn't get him, he was going to Miami.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 07, 2023, 02:22:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 02:24:58 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 07, 2023, 02:28:43 PM
Has anyone reported what the potential compensation to the Packers would be?
It had better not include a 1st rd pick
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 02:29:51 PM
It had better not include a 1st rd pick
correct.
Although, i would've paid that price and more for LJ8....which seemingly, is an available option now.
Post by: Laxin on March 07, 2023, 02:36:27 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 07, 2023, 02:39:48 PM
What are we thinking? 2023 2nd and a conditional 2024 3rd that goes up to a second if he’s on the roster in 2024?
That feels like too much for a one year rental player.
I'd prefer the comp we gave up for Favre:
The Packers exchanged Favre for a fourth-round draft pick. The pick turns into a third-round selection if Favre plays in 50 percent of the plays this season, a second-rounder if he plays in 70 percent of the plays and the Jets qualify for the playoffs, and a first-round pick if he plays in 80 percent of the plays and Jets make it to the Super Bowl
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 02:39:59 PM
What are we thinking? 2023 2nd and a conditional 2024 3rd that goes up to a second if he’s on the roster in 2024?Yes
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 02:40:38 PM
That feels like too much for a one year rental player.Feels like enough to keep us from pretending Jimmy g or brissett is acceptable
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 02:43:57 PM
What are we thinking? 2023 2nd and a conditional 2024 3rd that goes up to a second if he’s on the roster in 2024?2023 2nd
2024 2nd that can become a 1st if we reach the Super Bowl
We get back a 2025 2nd if he's not on the roster Week 1 of 2024.
That's a lot, but I'm willing to give that up. Hope it's less, but not sure that's realistic. Especially if we get Rodgers at a pretty cheap salary.
Post by: steves850 on March 07, 2023, 02:44:45 PM
2023 2nd
2024 2nd that can become a 1st if we reach the Super Bowl
We get back a 2025 2nd if he's not on the roster Week 1 of 2024.
That's a lot, but I'm willing to give that up. Hope it's less, but not sure that's realistic. Especially if we get Rodgers at a pretty cheap salary.
I would be over the moon with this trade.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 02:48:10 PM
2023 2nd
2024 2nd that can become a 1st if we win the Super Bowl
We get back a 2025 2nd if he's not on the roster Week 1 of 2024.
That's a lot, but I'm willing to give that up. Hope it's less, but not sure that's realistic. Especially if we get Rodgers at a pretty cheap salary.
I would like to make one edit.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 02:49:06 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 07, 2023, 02:51:38 PM
It's an all-in move so we're gonna have to give up some picks and possibly some players.
See ya Elijah Moore, have fun with Jordan Love
(specutively)
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 03:25:06 PM
It's an all-in move so we're gonna have to give up some picks and possibly some players.
Settle down there, garage sale joe.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:29:54 PM
Settle down there, garage sale joe.
Send them a second, a 2024 conditional second, Davis, Berrios, Moore, and Mims for Rodgers and Lazard.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 03:32:30 PM
No one else is bidding, why bid against yourself? If you are GB you want what you can get and a potential 1 is a good option for you.
Final guess on compensation
2023 - 3rd
2024 - conditional from 4th to 1st. 4th for no playoffs and no return. 3 for playoffs and return. 2 for AFCCG and return, 1 is Super Bowl appearance regardless of return
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2023, 03:33:06 PM
Has there ever been a scenario where a QB of this caliber goes to a different team to finish off his career and was an unequivocal disaster?I honestly can't think of one, at least not in recent history.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:36:49 PM
Has there ever been a scenario where a QB of this caliber goes to a different team to finish off his career and was an unequivocal disaster?
Peyton Manning
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:39:04 PM
Has there ever been a scenario where a QB of this caliber goes to a different team to finish off his career and was an unequivocal disaster?
Tom Brady
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 03:41:01 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:42:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:42:50 PM
freak that guy forever
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 03:43:56 PM
Peyton and Tom weren’t disasters. He’s asking for a disaster outcomeI assume he meant the opposite by the way he phrased it and just had a typo, but who knows.
Sometimes it works, soemetimes it doesn't. The other 2 best quarterbacks of this generation both won Super Bowls with their new teams.
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 03:44:21 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 03:44:31 PM
Brett Favre with the Jets is my answer to that question
freak that guy forever
This
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 03:45:23 PM
Send them a second, a 2024 conditional second, Davis, Berrios, Moore, and Mims for Rodgers and Lazard.
Lazard is a UFA
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:45:31 PM
Rivers wasn't a disaster but that Colts team was ready to win and it didn't.
Yeah, he was so washed with Indy.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:46:07 PM
Lazard is a UFA
https://youtu.be/SeZp2hX1DPU
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 03:46:28 PM
Rivers wasn't a disaster but that Colts team was ready to win and it didn't.
Russell Wilson is a disaster (so far)
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 03:52:29 PM
Quote
Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
Earlier this week there was a "school of thought" that #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers "wanted to walk away from the game and retire."
(Via @AdamSchefter)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 03:55:28 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 03:58:39 PM
I can't see him retiring the same year as Brady
If JD lets out a huge fart during the meeting....anything can happen.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 04:16:45 PM
Thank god that’s Kleivman he’s wrong about everything
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
Thank god that’s Kleivman he’s wrong about everything
except it's not Kleivman, it's Schefter. I just watched the clip on NFL Now.
Schefter suggested the Woody contingent flew out there for the major sales pitch, because he's thinking of retiring.
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2023, 04:24:31 PM
Brett Favre with the Jets is my answer to that questionEven then he was good with us until he was hurt. Then he had an elite season in Minny 2009 that fell short to the eventual champs, and in 2010 was finally a disaster.
freak that guy forever
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 04:25:46 PM
Even then he was good with us until he was hurt.
He threw 22 picks. freak Brett Favre.
#BurnTheJersey
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 04:33:49 PM
Thank god that’s Kleivman he’s wrong about everything
Kleiman is never wrong because he doesn't break anything, he just shares content from other people.
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 04:37:04 PM
except it's not Kleivman, it's Schefter. I just watched the clip on NFL Now.
Schefter suggested the Woody contingent flew out there for the major sales pitch, because he's thinking of retiring.
I'm going to file this under "Let me just reiterate one more time: There’s an inner circle, and in my inner circle, nobody talks to Ian Rapoport, to Adam Schefter or to any of those people. So if you’re one of those people who’s talking to those people, it’s a great reminder to you: You’re not in the inner circle.”
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
I'm going to file this under "Let me just reiterate one more time: There’s an inner circle, and in my inner circle, nobody talks to Ian Rapoport, to Adam Schefter or to any of those people. So if you’re one of those people who’s talking to those people, it’s a great reminder to you: You’re not in the inner circle.”
I know you want to hang your hat on this, and for once, i hope you're right. But, this is the New York Jets franchise. prepare your bum accordingly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
I can't see him retiring the same year as BradyWell, Brady is coming to the Jets after Rodgers spurns us, so he's good.
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 05:01:25 PM
excrement or get off the pot.
EDIT: If Rodgers drags this out longer...freak him. Pivot to Uncle Lamar.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 05:10:04 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1633240126057766913?s=20
excrement or get off the pot.
EDIT: If Rodgers drags this out longer...freak him. Pivot to Uncle Lamar.
I’ve been saying this since last night… Thursday is the day. Today we meet for dinner, tomorrow they do lunch and laugh in California somewhere. It’s all agreed to and they are popping champagne on the plane ride home. Thursday morning they do the last bits of paperwork filing to the league after a nights sleep and announce it to the world
Post by: insanity on March 07, 2023, 05:15:02 PM
I’ve been saying this since last night… Thursday is the day. Today we meet for dinner, tomorrow they do lunch and laugh in California somewhere. It’s all agreed to and they are popping champagne on the plane ride home. Thursday morning they do the last bits of paperwork filing to the league after a nights sleep and announce it to the worldApparently woodys flight is expected to leave tonight at 11pm pst
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 05:22:13 PM
I’ve been saying this since last night… Thursday is the day. Today we meet for dinner, tomorrow they do lunch and laugh in California somewhere. It’s all agreed to and they are popping champagne on the plane ride home. Thursday morning they do the last bits of paperwork filing to the league after a nights sleep and announce it to the world
I noticed you left out the part where Rodgers says "freak it, imma retire". i suppose you can fit it in before "do the last bits of paperwork"
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2023, 05:22:46 PM
Apparently woodys flight is expected to leave tonight at 11pm pst
Well that just means no morning meal. Doesn’t mean the timeline changes much
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1633240126057766913?s=20
excrement or get off the pot.
EDIT: If Rodgers drags this out longer...freak him. Pivot to Uncle Lamar.
This is roughly what I expected from Rodgers. He has no incentive to hurry this process along himself.
Post by: Jumbo on March 07, 2023, 05:30:27 PM
Apparently woodys flight is expected to leave tonight at 11pm pst
I would put decent odds that gets rescheduled and is just a placeholder
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 05:32:49 PM
This is roughly what I expected from Rodgers. He has no incentive to hurry this process along himself.Absolutely within the realm of possibility.
Teams will want Aaron Rodgers whether it is today or 3 months from now.
The backup plan is probably like Mike White as a placeholder until the draft where we draft someone new.
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
Absolutely within the realm of possibility.
Teams will want Aaron Rodgers whether it is today or 3 months from now.
The backup plan is probably like Mike White as a placeholder until the draft where we draft someone new.
Mike White is a free agent in a week's time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 05:38:35 PM
Absolutely within the realm of possibility.
Teams will want Aaron Rodgers whether it is today or 3 months from now.
The backup plan is probably like Mike White as a placeholder until the draft where we draft someone new.
He's the best QB available right now but if he winds up going anywhere else or returning to the Packers it's going to be a shitshow.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
Mike White is a free agent in a week's time.
I'm assuming that he meant the backup plan was to sign White.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 05:43:53 PM
I'm assuming that he meant the backup plan was to sign White.This.
(I have no idea what the backup plan is, so I just picked a QB that is better than Zach Wilson but won't cost a ton, and he was the best option, and he's probably tradeable if we do get Rodgers).
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2023, 05:47:12 PM
Rodgers might take his time but I don't think he'll wait until well into Free Agency. He's always wanted a say in who Green Bay signs and drafts. He'll want that with the Jets too.
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 05:49:44 PM
The backup plan is Jimmy G.
Rodgers might take his time but I don't think he'll wait until well into Free Agency. He's always wanted a say in who Green Bay signs and drafts. He'll want that with the Jets too.
Yeah, plus if he waits until after FA he makes his contract more difficult for teams to fit into their structure. I can't imagine he doesn't want to get his own contract locked in and have the team build with the players he wants.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 05:52:19 PM
The backup plan is Jimmy G.Tampering period is 6 days away. Jimmy G might be under contract next week.
Rodgers might take his time but I don't think he'll wait until well into Free Agency. He's always wanted a say in who Green Bay signs and drafts. He'll want that with the Jets too.
It's such a complicated situation. I imagine Jimmy is Plan B, but the Jets can also draw a hard line with his contract with Rodgers waiting in the wings.
That's why I suggested White. I think Garoppolo is a full measure. If we sign him, he's the guy. If we sign White, that's a half-measure. He's probably cheaper, and maybe we can get away from that deal if Rodgers comes here. It sounds like the Rams like him, but if he has any chance to compete for a starting job with the Jets, he might take our job, even if there's a good chance Rodgers eventually takes it.
Post by: delavan on March 07, 2023, 06:14:57 PM
EDIT: If Rodgers drags this out longer...freak him.Kinda…sort of …but keep the draft capital for the OL et al…Pivot to Uncle Lamar.
At this point I’ve changed my vote from Carr to AR-12 (duh) but if Oddball Aaron continues to hem and haw and haw and hem even after being courted by half the Jet organization and in his own backyard no less then freak it…freak AR-12 and draft AR-15.
About the supposed scattershot AR-15: a drop or two and a throwaway each game and his “Josh Allen Montana” stats for 2022 maybe don’t look so bad. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Killing time ramble vvv
He threw 22 picks.Farve indeed was a duplicitous double-dealing weasel by implying to Tanny that his arm was shot and that the Jets “should look in another direction” in order to obtain his release and use it to selfishly bolt for Minny.
freak Brett Favre.
#BurnTheJersey
That said and at the same time, 2008 was a tale of 2 seasons for both Farve and the Jets.
Initially, he had a respectable 18-11 TD/INT ratio before injuring himself and thereafter went “180 degrees” with 2 TDs and 8 INTs.
The Jets were 8-3 going into TN and beating an undefeated 10-0 Titans team (former NYG QB Kerry Collins) off a great game by Leon Washington who attributed it to taking not one but two—count ‘em TWO—pre-game dumps.
The Jets themselves also added to the mess themselves by not reporting Farve’s injury the last 5 weeks of the season and incurring a six-figure fine as a result…sal alosi prolly approved.
2008 misc: the Seattle game where it was obvious that Farve arm was chopped liver: honorable mention to Shawn Ellis who was fined $10,000 for returning “snowball fire” to Seattle fans at game’s end. :-)
December, 2008, 2009 & 2010 through today: screw Farve.
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 07:13:51 PM
This team is an abject failure and will be a joke if that's what happens .
Jimmy will play 6 or 7 games then house will get cleaned .
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 07:14:39 PM
My absolute nightmare is Jimmy freaking G
freak Saleh too if he thinks that's suitable .
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 07:43:35 PM
If im JD I'd pivot to Lamar if ARod is dicking around by end of the week.
My absolute nightmare is Jimmy freaking G
freak Saleh too if he thinks that's suitable .
You OK?
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
You OK?I share his vengeance
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 08:17:00 PM
You OK?Won't be if we sign Jimmy g. Nothing screams a lack of actual commitment to winning then establishing the goal is dependability at QB and you get the one guy who is almost guaranteed to only play half a season
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
That would he brissett or minshew
Jimmy G isn't much better imo .
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2023, 08:25:27 PM
Tired of hearing well anything an upgrade . That's cool doesn't mean you should shoot for bare minimum upgradeLamar became available today.
That would he brissett or minshew
Jimmy G isn't much better imo .
If Rodgers falls thru, I'm confident we'll pivot to Lamar. JD will have zero issue freaking over the Ravens especially if his own job is on the line
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 08:40:17 PM
Lamar became available today.Hope so
If Rodgers falls thru, I'm confident we'll pivot to Lamar. JD will have zero issue freaking over the Ravens especially if his own job is on the line
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2023, 08:48:13 PM
Won't be if we sign Jimmy g. Nothing screams a lack of actual commitment to winning then establishing the goal is dependability at QB and you get the one guy who is almost guaranteed to only play half a seasonNobody is guaranteed to play a full season. Jimmy has gotten hurt a lot but is he really that much more likely to get hurt than Rodgers in 2023? Even Carr got hurt in the best season he ever had.
If we give him a Jones/Carr contract, then you're right, it is atrocious. But if Rodgers retires, we have to be realistic in the options out there.
Post by: Coach K on March 07, 2023, 08:57:04 PM
Nobody is guaranteed to play a full season. Jimmy has gotten hurt a lot but is he really that much more likely to get hurt than Rodgers in 2023? Even Carr got hurt in the best season he ever had.I'd rather kick the can down the road . We're a more offensively inferior version of tbe 49ers . Taking their 3 to 4 yr older off yet another innury leftovers inspires 0 freaking confidence
If we give him a Jones/Carr contract, then you're right, it is atrocious. But if Rodgers retires, we have to be realistic in the options out there.
The fact I have to explain why the B+ QB who's played 2 full seasons his whole life doesn't excite me proves how shitty this situation is
I'd sooner trade and pay Lamar then commit to a 3 year experiment of more middling mediocrity
Post by: insanity on March 07, 2023, 09:31:51 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Here's some pain... if we didn't trade a 1st for Doug Jolley qe could have had aaron rodgers 14 years ago
It more than likely would have been Heath Miller.
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2023, 11:48:49 PM
Here's some pain... if we didn't trade a 1st for Doug Jolley qe could have had aaron rodgers 14 years agoUh, 14?
Post by: reuben on March 08, 2023, 12:22:58 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 08, 2023, 12:26:45 AM
I'd rather kick the can down the road . We're a more offensively inferior version of tbe 49ers . Taking their 3 to 4 yr older off yet another innury leftovers inspires 0 freaking confidenceThat's why I wasn't overly excited about Carr. Yes, he's more durable, but we'd be paying for that durability. Both are B+ quarterbacks in a league where it's very difficult to win a title with that level QB. We haven't been in the playoffs in over a decade, so I'm willing to make that tradeoff for either guy, but neither is exciting.
The fact I have to explain why the B+ QB who's played 2 full seasons his whole life doesn't excite me proves how shitty this situation is
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 08, 2023, 06:57:54 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 07:00:17 AM
We're starting to clear cap space. There's way too much smoke for this to not happen at this point.???? Where you hear the cap space thing
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 07:05:14 AM
We're starting to clear cap space. There's way too much smoke for this to not happen at this point.
it's for Lamar, babbie
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 08, 2023, 07:10:25 AM
???? Where you hear the cap space thing
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1633451430764855297?s=46&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQ
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 08, 2023, 07:11:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 07:13:28 AM
Rodgers and Lamar being available just goes to show how stupid it would have been to commit to Carr early.
Well...perhaps. But Lamar becoming available was a long shot and nobody knew for sure if it was going to happen. Even though i sacrificed a few animals to ensure it.
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 07:33:46 AM
Happy birthday
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 07:38:39 AM
Well...perhaps. But Lamar becoming available was a long shot and nobody knew for sure if it was going to happen. Even though i sacrificed a few animals to ensure it.I'm gonna need more than 3.5 mil cleared to get wood
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 07:39:09 AM
Jimmy G
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 07:39:16 AM
I'm gonna need more than 3.5 mil cleared to get wood
Oh...I'm sure there's more coming down the pipe.
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 07:40:41 AM
Now if more moves like this roll in all day we know we're getting the qb we've wanted all along
Jimmy G
We're not getting Jimmy G. Some FO folks pushed for him, but Woddy stomped that out right away. We're big game hunting.
And if i'm wrong, then we can share a few lines of cheese dust together.
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2023, 07:54:59 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 08:02:28 AM
We're not getting Jimmy G. Some FO folks pushed for him, but Woddy stomped that out right away. We're big game hunting.I'll take Lamar or Rodgers. Anything else is uncivilized
And if i'm wrong, then we can share a few lines of cheese dust together.
My new old spice commercial
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 08:22:45 AM
I'll take Lamar or Rodgers. Anything else is uncivilized
My new old spice commercial
this is the way
Post by: Heismanberg on March 08, 2023, 11:07:05 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 11:10:23 AM
If we don't get Rodgers, rehire Mike TannenbaumOnly if Mangini comes. He was the architect of that roster imo lol
Post by: Libero_2 on March 08, 2023, 11:11:39 AM
We don't need to clear cap space to sign Rodgers. We do need to clear cap space to go all in on building around him for a Super Bowl run.
This is exactly the thing we are doing. We are starting the process we were going to do no matter what to add as much talent as possible in FA to make this all worth it. Anyone who thinks Rodgers is enough on his own to win it all is insane. We need a few more quality starters and maybe one blue chip stud to come in as well. Let’s see what we decide to do. It’s just going to be a lot freaking easier to bring people in if we have more cap space to work with and Rodgers already in the fold
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 11:21:10 AM
This is exactly the thing we are doing. We are starting the process we were going to do no matter what to add as much talent as possible in FA to make this all worth it. Anyone who thinks Rodgers is enough on his own to win it all is insane. We need a few more quality starters and maybe one blue chip stud to come in as well. Let’s see what we decide to do. It’s just going to be a lot freaking easier to bring people in if we have more cap space to work with and Rodgers already in the foldHiw about we agree on a re worked deal for Rodgers and find out what kinda space we have then again
BOOMER has been on point for months now and thinks yesterday was Rodgers basically meeting woody and getting a promise he has input and that they'll actually spend to make up for a renegotiation
Post by: dcm1602 on March 08, 2023, 12:11:06 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2023, 12:17:33 PM
Aren't the Jets over the cap already? Freeing space means literally nothing
Not in any meaningful way - $1.8M with 54 players on the roster. We can free up $25M just by cutting Lawson and Corey Davis and it costs us $1M in dead money, then there's a ton of restructuring we can do, and there are quite a few overpaid players whose savings will add up quickly at very little cost to the team (for example we can cut Ashtyn Davis and Bryce Hall and save $5M). I don't think we really need have any concerns about our cap flexibility.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 08, 2023, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2023, 12:29:16 PM
I really don't see us straight up cutting Lawson.
It's probably not our preference and he might be tradeable, but if we're going to sign Rodgers and make a serious run at the Super Bowl then we'll be making some tough decisions, and probably asking some players to decide whether they're willing to compromise their money to make space for some extra difference makers.
That said, Lawson is in the last year of his deal so if they want to keep him they could give him another three years, pay him a big bonus and shift a bunch of his cap hit down the road. I don't really know how the team feels about him.
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 12:57:39 PM
It's probably not our preference and he might be tradeable, but if we're going to sign Rodgers and make a serious run at the Super Bowl then we'll be making some tough decisions, and probably asking some players to decide whether they're willing to compromise their money to make space for some extra difference makers.I'd he open to a re work where he lowers his cap hit yet fully guarantee this yr . Let him earn another deal whether it's here or elsewhere
That said, Lawson is in the last year of his deal so if they want to keep him they could give him another three years, pay him a big bonus and shift a bunch of his cap hit down the road. I don't really know how the team feels about him.
If that's not good enough for him I'd flip him for a sack of potatoes and let Johnson and Clemons get his snaps lol
Post by: insanity on March 08, 2023, 01:24:41 PM
It's probably not our preference and he might be tradeable, but if we're going to sign Rodgers and make a serious run at the Super Bowl then we'll be making some tough decisions, and probably asking some players to decide whether they're willing to compromise their money to make space for some extra difference makers.This is why I want rodgers. I'm hoping signing rodgers encourages some kf these vets to take less
That said, Lawson is in the last year of his deal so if they want to keep him they could give him another three years, pay him a big bonus and shift a bunch of his cap hit down the road. I don't really know how the team feels about him.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 08, 2023, 01:27:42 PM
Not in any meaningful way - $1.8M with 54 players on the roster. We can free up $25M just by cutting Lawson and Corey Davis and it costs us $1M in dead money, then there's a ton of restructuring we can do, and there are quite a few overpaid players whose savings will add up quickly at very little cost to the team (for example we can cut Ashtyn Davis and Bryce Hall and save $5M). I don't think we really need have any concerns about our cap flexibility.
Not suggesting we're in cap hell at all.
I just think it's silly for people to assume we're clearing cap space for Rodgers, when we're already over the cap.
Now if the Jets suddenly clear up like 50 million in cap space, totally different story
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 08, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Not suggesting we're in cap hell at all.
I just think it's silly for people to assume we're clearing cap space for Rodgers, when we're already over the cap.
Now if the Jets suddenly clear up like 50 million in cap space, totally different story
Don't really need to clear space for Rodgers, he's only $15M this year. We'd need to clear space for the players we'd be surrounding him with so that it makes sense to sign him.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 08, 2023, 02:14:39 PM
Don't really need to clear space for Rodgers, he's only $15M this year. We'd need to clear space for the players we'd be surrounding him with so that it makes sense to sign him.
Between Rodgers and our rookie class, not even addressing free agents would probably require around 30 million in freed cap?
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 08, 2023, 02:40:45 PM
Lawson seems like a prime renegotiation candidate
This I would be fine with.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 08, 2023, 03:38:37 PM
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Juicy nugget from @MikeGarafolo who said the #Packers aren’t asking for ‘an offer they can’t refuse’ from the #Jets for QB Aaron Rodgers, ‘let’s get as fair of compensation as we can to just move on & turn this thing over to Jordan Love’ 👀 🎥
@nflnetwork
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1633568030465589248?s=20
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 08, 2023, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2023, 04:08:07 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 08, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
mental illness
Post by: reuben on March 08, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1421804818918789121?s=20
mental illness
Whenever I see someone put this much effort into something so pointless, I feel a lot better about my pathological laziness.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 08, 2023, 04:20:37 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 08, 2023, 05:24:04 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2023, 05:33:43 PM
Why the freak is this in the Rodgers thread?Rodgers fucked Boygreen's wife in the derriere and she got a splash pregnancy.
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 06:43:28 PM
Making a fake press conference to publicly announce you're having a baby with biracial Lena Dunham is simply incredibleSounds more like a Tim Dillon bit
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1633578965456633858
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2023, 07:45:01 PM
Dick prediction:Yeah seems to be what we've been projecting and it'll be dead cap dependent .
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1633578965456633858
This lines up with talking to GB after the SB and now we're waiting on Rodgers to decide
Post by: Heismanberg on March 08, 2023, 08:38:43 PM
Why the freak is this in the Rodgers thread?
Won’t have to ever see his content again if we get Rodgers
Post by: delavan on March 08, 2023, 09:43:25 PM
Rodgers fucked Boygreen's wife in the derriere and she got a splash pregnancy.According to the AP: AR indeed snaked Mrs. Boygreen of Brownsville but it only produced a prodigious deuce
"only produced a prodigious deuce......only produced a prodigious deuce"
"only produced a prodigious deuce........only produced a prodigious deuce!"
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Quote from: reuben
Whenever I see someone put this much effort into something so pointless, I feel a lot better about my pathological laziness.Tell that to them partypooper...vvv
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.....oh, sorry for the hijack hi-jinks......any news on AR??....
........
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2023, 09:57:33 PM
According to the AP: AR indeed snaked Mrs. Boygreen of Brownsville but it only produced a prodigious deuce
"only produced a prodigious deuce......only produced a prodigious deuce"
"only produced a prodigious deuce........only produced a prodigious deuce!"
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l41YAV6CyBt2YqyoU/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Tell that to them partypooper...vvv
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.....oh, sorry for the hijack hi-jinks......any news on AR??....
........
My sources report that he saw this post and he's retiring.
Post by: delavan on March 08, 2023, 10:09:40 PM
Retiring for the evening? Good, as well he and we all should. Nitey nite! ;)
My sources report that he saw this post and he's retiring.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2023, 06:44:50 AM
Dianna Tittybomb
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 09, 2023, 07:31:07 AM
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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This is a key point on the Aaron Rodgers talks: I'd heard that Woody Johnson preferred not to pay the full $59.5 million owed to him, so will be interesting to see how much/if Packers are willing to eat of that to make a deal happen.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 07:38:05 AM
Post by: Jumbo on March 09, 2023, 07:39:33 AM
The beat doesn’t know anything
Yeah, especially because we explicitly are not going to be on the hook for his full salary this season no matter what because the Packers have to eat some to trade him.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 08:30:44 AM
Yeah, especially because we explicitly are not going to be on the hook for his full salary this season no matter what because the Packers have to eat some to trade him.
This wild speculation on my part, but I really believe that Mike LaFleur and some of the offensive assistants under him were sources for Connor Hughes. There was no reason for him to be so up in arms about LaFleur getting fired.
All of a sudden, he's saying things like "the Jets front office is on lock down" - he lost his source. And if Hughes doesn't have a source, Rosenblatt sure as hell doesn't.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 08:33:56 AM
-MBGreen, 8:33am
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 08:58:10 AM
The beat doesn’t know anythingTop 10 Marvel movies that explain the Rodgers situation
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 08:59:37 AM
Top 10 Marvel movies that explain the Rodgers situation
Quantumania post credits scene's hidden meaning
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:16:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
If we don't get him at this point, that would be the ultimate lolJets.
No..the ultimate loljets would be if we DID sign him, and he rapidly declines due to his age.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 09:32:45 AM
No..the ultimate loljets would be if we DID sign him, and he rapidly declines due to his age.
Nah, because at least we gave it a shot. He's better than any QB we realistically have a shot at.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:36:23 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 09:37:28 AM
I'm a bit turned off by the notion that Woody prefer to give up extra draft capital than take on Rodgers' entire contract and hope that's not the case.
who is saying that?
Post by: delavan on March 09, 2023, 09:38:40 AM
No..the ultimate loljets would be if we DID sign him, and he rapidly declines due to his age.
So wait for AR to sign …then for the other shoe to drop?
Nah, nothing ventured. nothing gained…better to have signed and lost than never having signed at all, etc..
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:39:05 AM
who is saying that?
I've seen it reported a couple places that Woody would like Green Bay to absorb part of Rodgers' contract but Blatt specifically suggested that.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 09:39:59 AM
He could suck or get injured. It still would have been worth the risk to acquire him.
We need an answer asap (hopefully by the weekend). Because if Rodgers waffles, we still have time to pivot to Lamar (who will start exploring his market next Wed).
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:41:17 AM
We need an answer asap (hopefully by the weekend). Because if Rodgers waffles, we still have time to pivot to Lamar (who will start exploring his market next Wed).
I don't think anybody's willing to fork over the draft picks and the guaranteed contract that he wants.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 09:45:51 AM
Blatt specifically suggested that.
he didn't even know when Carr signed
the guy knows nothing
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 09:48:29 AM
I don't think anybody's willing to fork over the draft picks and the guaranteed contract that he wants.
The only reason Lamar isn't getting what he wants is collusion. The owners are trying to reset after Watson.
Post by: delavan on March 09, 2023, 09:49:37 AM
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:51:11 AM
The only reason Lamar isn't getting what he wants is collusion. The owners are trying to reset after Watson.
Yes, because no one wants to give him a fully-guaranteed contract.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 09:51:44 AM
I don't think anybody's willing to fork over the draft picks and the guaranteed contract that he wants.
2 first round picks? They will.
the capital required is a lot less than what Watson and R.Wilson were traded for.
Lamar is going to cave on that guaranteed contract nonsense.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 09:54:30 AM
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 09:55:03 AM
Yes, because no one wants to give him a fully-guaranteed contract.
Collusion - noun - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.
This has nothing to do with merit or desire and everything to do with the owners not wanting to give ANYONE a fully guaranteed. It's not about Lamar it's about resetting.
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 09:57:32 AM
What I find so ridiculous about the Lamar Jackson situation is that, even if teams were willing to give a quarterback a fully-guaranteed contract, they wouldn't be offering it to an undersized, run-first quarterback who's missed 9 of his team's last 21 games due to injury.
The Ravens strength coach got an F- from the players. The lowest other grade received was a B by the Falcons. The Ravens as a whole are injury prone and it's a franchise issue, not (necessarily) a player issue.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:00:06 AM
The Ravens strength coach got an F- from the players. The lowest other grade received was a B by the Falcons. The Ravens as a whole are injury prone and it's a franchise issue, not (necessarily) a player issue.
I don't blame Lamar for taking himself out of the last month of season...self-preservation.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:00:24 AM
The Ravens strength coach got an F- from the players. The lowest other grade received was a B by the Falcons. The Ravens as a whole are injury prone and it's a franchise issue, not (necessarily) a player issue.
But that doesn't change the fact that he's been injured, which creates the impression (particularly given his playstyle) that he's more, not less, likely to be injured in the future.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:01:20 AM
But that doesn't change the fact that he's been injured, which creates the impression (particularly given his playstyle) that he's more, not less, likely to be injured in the future.
So is Rodgers...even more so, because he's a grandpa in NFL years.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:02:25 AM
So is Rodgers...even more so, because he's a grandpa in NFL years.
This is apples and oranges. We're talking about a pass-first quarterback on a 1-2 year commitment vs. a run-first quarterback on a 5-year commitment.
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2023, 10:02:49 AM
Collusion - noun - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.
This has nothing to do with merit or desire and everything to do with the owners not wanting to give ANYONE a fully guaranteed. It's not about Lamar it's about resetting.
The fact that they all don't want to give a fully guaranteed contract doesn't mean they're colluding, it likely means that everyone who said that Haslam is a freaking idiot (which was in fact everyone) was right. There's nothing machiavellian about it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:04:15 AM
The fact that they all don't want to give a fully guaranteed contract doesn't mean they're colluding, it likely means that everyone who said that Haslam is a freaking idiot (which was in fact everyone) was right. There's nothing machiavellian about it.
Exactly
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:04:21 AM
This is apples and oranges. We're talking about a pass-first quarterback on a 1-2 year commitment vs. a run-first quarterback on a 5-year commitment.
Dude..have you even seen Rodgers play?
He's the best in the league at leaving the pocket and throwing downfield. He's not a Manning statue. He's not a runner on Lamar's tier, but he's certainly mobile. It's not "apples and oranges".
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:05:05 AM
Dude..have you even seen Rodgers play?
He's the best in the league at leaving the pocket and throwing downfield. He's not a Manning statue. He's not a runner on Lamar's tier, but he's certainly mobile. It's not "apples and oranges".
I said pass-first, not immobile.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:05:20 AM
I said pass-first, not immobile.
the point stands
EDIT: Lamar throws the ball too. He's not Justin Fields.
Post by: Jumbo on March 09, 2023, 10:05:48 AM
The fact that they all don't want to give a fully guaranteed contract doesn't mean they're colluding, it likely means that everyone who said that Haslam is a freaking idiot (which was in fact everyone) was right. There's nothing machiavellian about it.
Other big problem is that with the tag process you have to offer the contract publicly and wait a week for the Ravens to still potentially match it. If you're a team like the Dolphins that wants to keep everything hush hush until it's guaranteed to happen you aren't going to want to be making a public offer that has to lapse a week and doesn't even guarantee you get him.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:06:10 AM
the point stands
I'd be more concerned about Rodgers if he was immobile and unable to avoid hits.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:06:57 AM
I'd be more concerned about Rodgers if he was immobile and unable to avoid hits.
Well, he's going to be 40. It's not impossible at this stage of his career. In fact, he took quite a few hits in GB over the last few seasons.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:08:08 AM
the point stands
EDIT: Lamar throws the ball too. He's not Justin Fields.
He throws the ball but he also inevitably puts himself in harms way when he runs the ball 10+ times a game.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:08:58 AM
He throws the ball but he also inevitably puts himself in harms way when he runs the ball 10+ times a game.
You know the majority of those runs are by design, right? It's not like he's getting killed on every run...he's knows when to slide (unlike Mark Sanchez)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:10:12 AM
Well, he's going to be 40. It's not impossible at this stage of his career. In fact, he took quite a few hits in GB over the last few seasons.
I've never felt comfortable with making a long-term commitment to any of the quarterbacks available this offseason. That's why I prefer Rodgers. In my opinion, he gives us the most upside with the shortest commitment.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:12:17 AM
You know the majority of those runs are by design, right? It's not like he's getting killed on every run...he's knows when to slide (unlike Mark Sanchez)
Of course he's not getting killed on every run. My point is that he puts himself in harm's way with his playstyle. All it takes is one hit for him to be out for some time, and he's never proven himself capable of elevating his team with his passing ability alone.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:12:55 AM
I've never felt comfortable with making a long-term commitment to any of the quarterbacks available this offseason. That's why I prefer Rodgers. In my opinion, he gives us the most upside with the shortest commitment.
100% agree with this
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 10:16:32 AM
The fact that they all don't want to give a fully guaranteed contract doesn't mean they're colluding, it likely means that everyone who said that Haslam is a freaking idiot (which was in fact everyone) was right. There's nothing machiavellian about it.
Why shouldn't the contract be guaranteed? What other industry has exclusive contracts that only one side has to 100% honor? The players are the ones literally putting their lives and their health on the line while the billionaire owners rake in the cash.
Lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't collusion.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:16:39 AM
Of course he's not getting killed o every run. My point is that he puts himself in harm's way with his playstyle.
It's a contact sport. Guys who play from the pocket get killed too...look at Matt Stafford or Alex Smith or Jimmy G.
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All it takes is one hit for him to be out for some time, and he's never proven himself capable of elevating his team with his passing alone.
One hit can end any player. That's why i want to stay away from Jimmy G, because he's #1 in the brittle power rankings.
Well...outside of Mark Andrews, who has Lamar had to throw to? Hollywood Brown is a burner but he's nothing special, and Bateman has been hurt alot. Plus, the Ravens have been a run first team since they entered the league. Passing the ball has never been their bread n butter.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:20:09 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 10:29:20 AM
Why shouldn't the contract be guaranteed? What other industry has exclusive contracts that only one side has to 100% honor? The players are the ones literally putting their lives and their health on the line while the billionaire owners rake in the cash.
Lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't collusion.
I don't think people realize how important the salary cap is to parity in the NFL.
Look at the NBAs diasaster of a cap that results in ultra mega dream teams and essentially 95% of the league is useless dogshit.
Then you have one horrible contract and your team is trash for 4-5 years
I prefer the nfl not having fully guaranteed contracts. Not because I think the owners need more money. But because if you sign a guy and he freaking sucks, you can cut him and give that money to another player who earned it.
Look at this team's history with abomination contracts like Trumaine Johnson, Wilkerson, and Revis 2.0
I don't know how you could have sat through the years of that garbage and thought all contracts should be fully guaranteed.
Jr's not to suggest that players who get hurt should be fucked. But that the league is better when you can shuffle money to guys who consistently step up
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2023, 10:30:16 AM
Why shouldn't the contract be guaranteed? What other industry has exclusive contracts that only one side has to 100% honor? The players are the ones literally putting their lives and their health on the line while the billionaire owners rake in the cash.
Lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't collusion.
OK, but "the sport doesn't give out fully guaranteed contracts and it should" is a different argument to "the owners are all colluding to ensure that this one guy specifically doesn't get one". Again, all of them not wanting to give out a fully guaranteed contract is not evidence of collusion. It's likely just evidence of a market that's in agreement on value and risk.
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 10:35:05 AM
I don't think people realize how important the salary cap is to parity in the NFL.
Look at the NBAs diasaster of a cap that results in ultra mega dream teams and essentially 95% of the league is useless dogshit.
Then you have one horrible contract and your team is trash for 4-5 years
I prefer the nfl not having fully guaranteed contracts. Not because I think the owners need more money. But because if you sign a guy and he freaking sucks, you can cut him and give that money to another player who earned it.
Look at this team's history with abomination contracts like Trumaine Johnson, Wilkerson, and Revis 2.0
I don't know how you could have sat through the years of that garbage and thought all contracts should be fully guaranteed.
Jr's not to suggest that players who get hurt should be fucked. But that the league is better when you can shuffle money to guys who consistently step up
what does a fully guaranteed contract have to do with a salary cap? Whenever a team signs a player to a 5 year contract, it's always written as "they can get out of it after three." Just fuckin sign them to a three year contract with options. It's not that complicated.
OK, but "the sport doesn't give out fully guaranteed contracts and it should" is a different argument to "the owners are all colluding to ensure that this one guy specifically doesn't get one". Again, all of them not wanting to give out a fully guaranteed contract is not evidence of collusion. It's likely just evidence of a market that's in agreement on value and risk.
Sure, I agree. It is my speculation that they made an unwritten agreement to not pay the next free agent a fully guaranteed contract in an effort to avoid making it the norm. I don't think the agreement is based on value and risk and more on setting the tone going forward.
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2023, 10:39:25 AM
Sure, I agree. It is my speculation that they made an unwritten agreement to not pay the next free agent a fully guaranteed contract in an effort to avoid making it the norm. I don't think the agreement is based on value and risk and more on setting the tone going forward.
I think you're giving too much credit to the owners' ability and willingness to collaborate for mutual benefit. If any of them thought that giving Jackson what he wants would make the difference for their team and win them a Super Bowl I have zero doubt that they would do it without a second's thought for upsetting the other owners and their markets.
It's a pretty clear example of Occam's Razor IMO - he's just not worth a pair of firsts and a fully guaranteed $250M.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 10:40:16 AM
A non fully guaranteed 5 year contract is essentially a 3 year contract with options like you say. And when cap space is limited, fully guaranteed contracts are more pivotal since you're limited on your ability to build your team.
If you want to make the argument about players risking their lives and deserving more money vs the billionaire owners, fine. But then I say just raise the cap floor so that a similar amount of money is being spent, but it's being given to guys who perform instead of whoever the freak is locked into a long term deal and quit on his team. Which we see all the freaking time
Post by: insanity on March 09, 2023, 10:41:13 AM
what does a fully guaranteed contract have to do with a salary cap?He literally explained it to you. Read it again
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 10:41:59 AM
Now should teams be reaching out to him to see if he's willing to come off his asking price? That's a different matter but there are reasons why they may not... concerns about his injuries/playstyle that we've already discussed, the fact that he's repped by his mother and may be a challenge to deal with, and that they may not want to do the Ravens' work for them (given that they can match any contract he's offered and likely would do this if he came off his asking price).
The Ravens used the non-exclusive franchise tag as a negotiating tactic and it was very smart for them to do that.
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 11:20:25 AM
No..the ultimate loljets would be if we DID sign him, and he rapidly declines due to his age.Said the same thing on the Jets subreddit this morning. All these posters who are afraid we're not getting him are missing the forest for the trees.
Post by: delavan on March 09, 2023, 11:24:48 AM
Collusion - noun - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.Collusion - noun - see: baseball
This has nothing to do with merit or desire and everything to do with the owners not wanting to give ANYONE a fully guaranteed. It's not about Lamar it's about resetting.
Callison - noun - see: baseball, Johnny
Collision - noun - see: fully guaranteed contract, Nnamdi Asomugha
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 11:30:43 AM
Said the same thing on the Jets subreddit this morning. All these posters who are afraid we're not getting him are missing the forest for the trees.We've never been a smart fanbase
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 11:52:16 AM
You're arguing semantics
A non fully guaranteed 5 year contract is essentially a 3 year contract with options like you say. And when cap space is limited, fully guaranteed contracts are more pivotal since you're limited on your ability to build your team.
If you want to make the argument about players risking their lives and deserving more money vs the billionaire owners, fine. But then I say just raise the cap floor so that a similar amount of money is being spent, but it's being given to guys who perform instead of whoever the freak is locked into a long term deal and quit on his team. Which we see all the freaking time
I agree with raising the cap floor. I understand the risk of players quitting on a team, you can always write in incentives and protection for the team. My complaint is how the contract stands now, the billionaires have all the protection. A Player cannot seek out employment elsewhere but a team can essentially cut a player with (mostly) minimal risk.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:06:53 PM
This is apples and oranges. We're talking about a pass-first quarterback on a 1-2 year commitment vs. a run-first quarterback on a 5-year commitment.
Mina Kimes
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1h
Fun fact: Last year, Lamar Jackson finished with a higher passer rating from inside the pocket than Cousins, Rodgers, and Brady.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 01:13:03 PM
Mina Kimes
@minakimes
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1h
Fun fact: Last year, Lamar Jackson finished with a higher passer rating from inside the pocket than Cousins, Rodgers, and Brady.
another fun fact:
Jackson played in 5 less games
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:16:33 PM
another fun fact:
Jackson played in 5 less games
it wouldn't have made a difference
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 01:17:12 PM
Mina Kimes
@minakimes
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1h
Fun fact: Last year, Lamar Jackson finished with a higher passer rating from inside the pocket than Cousins, Rodgers, and Brady.
All it took was for Rodgers to lose his best receiver and suffer a broken thumb on his throwing hand.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:17:59 PM
All it took was for Rodgers to lose his best receiver and suffer a broken thumb on his throwing hand.
Jackson doesn't have receivers
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
Jackson doesn't have receivers
He has Mark Andrews.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 01:20:14 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:21:53 PM
He has Mark Andrews.
and that's it.
That's why Lamar has to take off and run...because if you double cover Andrews, it's over.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:22:17 PM
Comparing Rodgers and Jackson doesn't make sense. They're completely different players in completely different stages of their careers.
But i don't feel like working
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 01:22:55 PM
and that's it.
That's why Lamar has to take off and run...because if you double cover Andrews, it's over.
He's been playing this way since Louisville.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 01:25:02 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 09, 2023, 01:32:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1633906211698384896
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Tom Pelissero: The #Jets have worked through the compensation and contract for Aaron Rodgers. It’s up to him to let them and the #Packers know what he wants to do.
Mike Garafolo said the #Jets won’t rush Rodgers.
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 01:32:25 PM
Comparing Rodgers and Jackson doesn't make sense. They're completely different players in completely different stages of their careers.
They're both QBs in the NFL? OF course it makes sense to compare them. You can point out their different styles of play but declaring "they're too different.." Make zero sense.
You can have your opinion on who is better, who is a better fit for our situation, or which style you prefer but to flat out tell us we can't compare the two players is lazy.
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 01:34:01 PM
Even if we offered Jackson a contract he would accept, the Ravens would likely match it so this conversation is pointless.
lol every post you make is about how something is a "pointless" We're mouth breathers on a forum in 2023.... everything we do is pointless.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:38:27 PM
Back to Rodgers related news:
https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1633906211698384896
please rush him....you know....since FA starts in 6 days
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 01:38:53 PM
Even if we offered Jackson a contract he would accept, the Ravens would likely match it so this conversation is pointless.
He's not going back to Baltimore.
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2023, 01:58:38 PM
He's not going back to Baltimore.
That's not really up to him, short of holding out.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 09, 2023, 02:01:48 PM
He also has significantly fewer plays from the pocket than those other quarterbacks.
I'm not trying to knock Lamar. I'm a big Lamar fan. But he's a run-first quarterback. And there's nothing wrong with that, unless you're giving the guy 5 years fully guaranteed.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 02:18:33 PM
That's not really up to him, short of holding out.Everything is up to him. He's the player
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 02:27:35 PM
lol every post you make is about how something is a "pointless" We're mouth breathers on a forum in 2023.... everything we do is pointless.
Sorry for getting tired of going back and forth ad nauseum about the extremely unlikely prospect of us signing Lamar Jackson.
And sure, every one of my posts is about how utterly pointless everything is as we hurtle through space at 67k mph until the inevitable heat death of the universe. Enjoy Arby's.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 02:32:13 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 02:32:29 PM
Lamar Jackson is effective from the pocket because of the threat of his legs. The threat of his rushing is the basis around his entire game. He's the best rushing QB in NFL history.
He also has significantly fewer plays from the pocket than those other quarterbacks.
I'm not trying to knock Lamar. I'm a big Lamar fan. But he's a run-first quarterback. And there's nothing wrong with that, unless you're giving the guy 5 years fully guaranteed.
Bingo
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 09, 2023, 02:34:27 PM
Packers and Jets have agreed to a trade. Rodgers just has to give it the go-ahead.
Captain Heismanberg returning this ship to course.
Post by: insanity on March 09, 2023, 02:40:30 PM
Jackson doesn't have receiversI love how you keep arguing in favor of paying lamar telling us we are isiot yet not 1 team in the nfl is interested in what you're proposing.
Everyone is an idiot except you
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2023, 02:42:41 PM
Everything is up to him. He's the player
You appear to be ignoring how the tag system works. If Baltimore want him to play for them next season, his only alternative will be to play for nobody. Poison pills haven't been a thing for a very long time now.
Post by: steves850 on March 09, 2023, 02:53:42 PM
Sorry for getting tired of going back and forth ad nauseum about the extremely unlikely prospect of us signing Lamar Jackson.
And sure, every one of my posts is about how utterly pointless everything is as we hurtle through space at 67k mph until the inevitable heat death of the universe. Enjoy Arby's.
freak you! I don't like Arby's!
This forum and arguing with you is a nice distraction from the inevitable nothingness that is existence.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 09, 2023, 02:55:35 PM
Packers and Jets have agreed to a trade. Rodgers just has to give it the go-ahead.2nd straight year we have agreed to a big trade and are just waiting for the player to give it the go-ahead. At least this time, the player's other option is literally to not play, as opposed to going to Miami.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 02:57:06 PM
Packers and Jets have agreed to a trade. Rodgers just has to give it the go-ahead.
I haven't seen a single remotely credible source say this
And we all know how the beat loves to parrot each other
There a source? Or are you just trying to change the subject from the Lamar Jackson idiocy infecting this board
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 02:58:10 PM
2nd straight year we have agreed to a big trade and are just waiting for the player to give it the go-ahead. At least this time, the player's other option is literally to not play, as opposed to going to Miami.
I don't believe there's any scenario where Rodgers doesn't play unless he chooses to retire
Post by: reuben on March 09, 2023, 03:01:54 PM
I don't believe there's any scenario where Rodgers doesn't play unless he chooses to retire
Nice work, Columbo.
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 03:03:10 PM
another fun fact:Jimmy G-level durability
Jackson played in 5 less games
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 03:03:31 PM
Nice work, Columbo.
Hey he's the one who said his only other option was to not play.
I'm pointing out that's not a thing
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 09, 2023, 03:07:03 PM
Hey he's the one who said his only other option was to not play.Yes, I said his options were to play for the Jets or retire.
I'm pointing out that's not a thing
You quoted me saying you disagree despite saying the exact same thing I did.
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 03:10:34 PM
Why are we arguing about Lamar Jackson when Aaron Rodgers is going to be our QB next season?This
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 03:13:11 PM
Packers and Jets have agreed to a trade. Rodgers just has to give it the go-ahead.Thank god I assumed this but to hear it's done is comforting
I dont see him wanting to retire and be 2nd fiddle to Brady when he's HOF eligible
His butt buddy Aubrey podcast also sounds like someone with a chip on their shoulder
Let him smoke a few bowls and decide
Post by: insanity on March 09, 2023, 03:13:42 PM
I haven't seen a single remotely credible source say thisIs Tom pelissaro not credible?
And we all know how the beat loves to parrot each other
There a source? Or are you just trying to change the subject from the Lamar Jackson idiocy infecting this board
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 03:14:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 03:15:16 PM
Yes, I said his options were to play for the Jets or retire.
You quoted me saying you disagree despite saying the exact same thing I did.
And I'm still suggesting that's not the case
The Jets might have the biggest hard on for Rodgers, but there are certainly other teams curious about him.
We have no idea what realistic trade comp the Packers have been asking for behind the scenes. But they essentially have to trade him by any means necessary. So if Rodgers starts being obnoxious the Packers could lower that asking price enough that other teams jump into the mix.
It's not absolutely unfathomable that Miami, Indy, Vegas, New England, Pitt could somehow make a pivot towards him. And if Baltimore does actually trade Jackson I'd imagine they'd almost 100% be the favorite to grab him.
Now the Jets and Raiders are obviously the overwhelming favorites to get the dude. My point being the Jets are far from his only option
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 03:16:11 PM
And I'm still suggesting that's not the caseAre you ignoring the fact multiple people in the league reporting Marc Davis is cash broke and can barely afford his wig let alone escrow money for huge guarantees
The Jets might have the biggest hard on for Rodgers, but there are certainly other teams curious about him.
We have no idea what realistic trade comp the Packers have been asking for behind the scenes. But they essentially have to trade him by any means necessary. So if Rodgers starts being obnoxious the Packers could lower that asking price enough that other teams jump into the mix.
It's not absolutely unfathomable that Miami, Indy, Vegas, New England, Pitt could somehow make a pivot towards him. And if Baltimore does actually trade Jackson I'd imagine they'd almost 100% be the favorite to grab him.
Now the Jets and Raiders are obviously the overwhelming favorites to get the dude. My point being the Jets are far from his only option
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 03:17:22 PM
It's jets or retirement and we got the deal sewn up. Just waiting on Brink to decide if he wants to bring hid soul skating to NY
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
Is Tom pelissaro not credible?
I don't know what he said where. But if he thinks/has a source on this, why isn't it on his Twitter?
He posted 15 minutes ago about the Texans getting fined a 5th round pick, but has posted nothing about Rodgers to the Jets?
There's also literally nothing about this on any major nfl beats page or any of the nfl news outlets.
The Rodgers move could very well happen today. But I cannot find anything in writing to substantiate it.
If anyone can post anything in writing to the contrary, I will 100% drop it and acknowledge I'm wrong
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 09, 2023, 03:19:45 PM
If Rodgers had other suitors they'd he made public by now . Let's be realThis. We would have heard something.
It's jets or retirement and we got the deal sewn up. Just waiting on Brink to decide if he wants to bring hid soul skating to NY
And Pelissero allegedly said the compensation has been worked out, though I haven't seen a primary source for that report. Just Jets accounts saying he said that.
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 03:22:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 03:24:40 PM
This. We would have heard something.
And Pelissero allegedly said the compensation has been worked out, though I haven't seen a primary source for that report. Just Jets accounts saying he said that.
He said it on NFL Network
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
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Despite all the rumors of Derek Carr going to the Jets, one thing that held that up was that Jets owner Woody Johnson really wants Aaron Rodgers. So, the staff has had to be supportive of that. However, secretly, the rest of the team's front office wanted Derek Carr. Now that Carr is reportedly signing with New Orleans, the Jets are in “Hoping for Rodgers” mode. If that doesn't work out… who knows?"
- Matthew Berry
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 03:51:41 PM
Everyone is an idiot except you
A little harsh...but yeah.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 03:52:21 PM
You appear to be ignoring how the tag system works. If Baltimore want him to play for them next season, his only alternative will be to play for nobody. Poison pills haven't been a thing for a very long time now.The relationship is broken...he'll get traded.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 03:52:24 PM
Was this posted on here? I don't remember seeing it, but apparently this was from earlier this week
yes, we saw it when Carr signed
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 03:53:56 PM
Why are we arguing about Lamar Jackson when Aaron Rodgers is going to be our QB next season?Because the Jets history for closing deals isn't favorable.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 03:55:28 PM
Because the Jets history for closing deals isn't favorable.
Can you give me an example that isn't Kirk Cousins?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 03:55:32 PM
Because the Jets history for closing deals isn't favorable.
The Jets do have a history of making absolutely freaking retarded QB decisions though. So maybe you're onto something about the Jets trading for Lamar
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 03:57:15 PM
Can you give me an example that isn't Kirk Cousins?Anthony Barr
Laverneus Coles
Bill Belichick
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 03:57:15 PM
Can you give me an example that isn't Kirk Cousins?
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Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 03:58:47 PM
The Jets do have a history of making absolutely freaking retarded QB decisions though. So maybe you're onto something about the Jets trading for LamarYes..trading for a former MVP that hasn't entered his prime yet is retarded. Especially for a discount price of 2 first rounders.
Maybe take the rest of the offseason off. You're not going to top this dumbfuck post.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 04:02:46 PM
Yes..trading for a former MVP that hasn't entered his prime yet is retarded. Especially for a discount price of 2 first rounders.
Maybe take the rest of the offseason off. You're not going to top this dumbfuck post.
Man I'm going to eat so much crow when the Jets trade for Lamar Jackson
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 04:04:28 PM
Man I'm going to eat so much crow when the Jets trade for Lamar JacksonI'm not saying we're trading for him...I said he's not going back to Baltimore.
I'm fine with either Rodgers or Lamar.
I'm NOT fine with neither.
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 04:09:45 PM
Anthony Barr
We probably lucked out that Barr didn't take Maccagnan's offer
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2023, 04:15:05 PM
Anthony Barr
Laverneus Coles
Bill Belichick
Tyreek Hill
Post by: insanity on March 09, 2023, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 09, 2023, 04:27:11 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 04:28:27 PM
How has no one said the words Antoine Winfield yet?I blocked this out after years of therapy
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 04:53:43 PM
How has no one said the words Antoine Winfield yet?
cursed
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 05:00:27 PM
Turns out Tom pelisorro is a shithead that knows nothing????
So nothings done ?
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 05:05:18 PM
Turns out Tom pelisorro is a shithead that knows nothingI'll keep you posted, peasant. Don't worry.
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 05:07:51 PM
????Every time I open this thread (https://youtu.be/uEKMkz1xiGw)
So nothings done ?
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 05:09:09 PM
Every time I open this thread (https://youtu.be/uEKMkz1xiGw)Nah I meant fcm saying palisaro don't know excrement
Out of disrespect to Jimmy g I'm not spellchecking ialian names
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 05:11:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2023, 05:17:11 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 05:18:42 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 05:20:40 PM
At one point he says
I bet you think this costs 3 fettuccine
Well knock it down to 1 fettuccine and for the price of fettuccine with shrimp we will throw in a my girlfriend pillow too
So they can argue over who you love more
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 06:01:58 PM
Damn no clip of gilly and keeves Italian mom body pillow sketchYou can't just say this and not link it.
At one point he says
I bet you think this costs 3 fettuccine
Well knock it down to 1 fettuccine and for the price of fettuccine with shrimp we will throw in a my girlfriend pillow too
So they can argue over who you love more
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 06:08:19 PM
You can't just say this and not link it.It's only on their purchase only special
I actually own it so I can shoot a video on my TV lol upload to YouTube but it'll have to wait till I'm off
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 09, 2023, 06:52:59 PM
Damn no clip of gilly and keeves Italian mom body pillow sketch
At one point he says
I bet you think this costs 3 fettuccine
Well knock it down to 1 fettuccine and for the price of fettuccine with shrimp we will throw in a my girlfriend pillow too
So they can argue over who you love more
I have no idea what any of this means.
Anyway:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/09/sauce-gardner-hints-at-package-deals-if-jets-land-aaron-rodgers/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/09/sauce-gardner-hints-at-package-deals-if-jets-land-aaron-rodgers/)
Imagine if it was him.
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 07:05:07 PM
I have no idea what any of this means.Gilly and Keeves is sketch comedy headlined by a stand up named Shane Gillis
Anyway:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/09/sauce-gardner-hints-at-package-deals-if-jets-land-aaron-rodgers/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/09/sauce-gardner-hints-at-package-deals-if-jets-land-aaron-rodgers/)
Imagine if it was him.
Funny stuff .
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 07:07:42 PM
You can't just say this and not link it.https://www.tiktok.com/@gillyandkeevesofficial/video/7152971367422479659
The opening rofl . But there's like another 3 min
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 08:18:39 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 08:19:15 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 08:19:28 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 08:25:10 PM
Weird sauce mentioned this on his own stream a few hours ago.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2023, 09:48:55 PM
I have no idea what any of this means.
Anyway:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/09/sauce-gardner-hints-at-package-deals-if-jets-land-aaron-rodgers/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/09/sauce-gardner-hints-at-package-deals-if-jets-land-aaron-rodgers/)
Imagine if it was him.
I definitely don't get they impression
Sounds far more like if Rodgers coming here he's bringing friends. Presumably a lot of dumping of the cap will be involved for the Packers
The Packers left tackle seems to be frequently brought up in trade talks. Becton was rumored to get traded last year, who knows
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2023, 10:08:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2023, 10:13:27 PM
PrrrrtI posted a nugget in your Yankees thread
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2023, 11:12:10 PM
Damn this thread was not a good read, you guys suckWelcome to Costco
I love you
Post by: Heismanberg on March 10, 2023, 12:19:16 AM
Damn this thread was not a good read, you guys suck
Tom Pescatero derriere post
Post by: Libero_2 on March 10, 2023, 05:22:42 AM
I definitely don't get they impression
Sounds far more like if Rodgers coming here he's bringing friends. Presumably a lot of dumping of the cap will be involved for the Packers
The Packers left tackle seems to be frequently brought up in trade talks. Becton was rumored to get traded last year, who knows
Bahktiari is making a boat load of money for a dude who’s missed most of the last two years. I can’t see us taking on that deal, unless it’s a salary dump for GB and makes our trade comp cheaper.
We can only carry so many OTs on the roster. We can’t trade for Bahk, sign a guy and draft a young guy. Not enough roster spots. Maybe if we didn’t have brown…? But since we do, I’d wager that Bahktiari isn’t headed here unless he plays for cheap depth dollars, and I soubt that’s happening
Post by: Badger on March 10, 2023, 06:36:36 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/aaron-rodgers-speaking-at-psychedelics-conference-in-denver/
Post by: Badger on March 10, 2023, 06:45:53 AM
Bahktiari is making a boat load of money for a dude who’s missed most of the last two years. I can’t see us taking on that deal, unless it’s a salary dump for GB and makes our trade comp cheaper.We need 7 starting caliber OTs to get through a season anyway.
We can only carry so many OTs on the roster. We can’t trade for Bahk, sign a guy and draft a young guy. Not enough roster spots. Maybe if we didn’t have brown…? But since we do, I’d wager that Bahktiari isn’t headed here unless he plays for cheap depth dollars, and I soubt that’s happening
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2023, 07:37:23 AM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1634176180516421633?s=20
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2023, 07:51:11 AM
Post by: delavan on March 10, 2023, 07:57:53 AM
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2022/2/22/22946038/aaron-rodgers-pat-mcafee-show-news-filling-butt-with-oil-panchakarma-cleanse-what-is-it?_gl=1*1l6vvl8*
”Check the oil Sir?”
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Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 08:22:15 AM
Today is negotiate whatever the rework is with Rodgers / sell him on the Jets.
Wednesday is finalize details / physical /
organize paperwork / celebrate inside the organization day.
Thursday is formal submission of paperwork and announce to the world pending the March 15 date
You failed us.
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 08:22:33 AM
Sauce doin' workLooks like a hauntingly sad pagan ritual
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1634176180516421633?s=20
Wr are tbe jets. I guess the dark arts need to be involved for competent qb play
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 10, 2023, 08:23:37 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 08:27:06 AM
My guess is the announcement comes tomorrow.By Lunch or we pivot to minshew
Post by: Heismanberg on March 10, 2023, 08:29:20 AM
My guess is the announcement comes tomorrow.
Sunday is the 12th.
That should be theatrical enough for him.
Post by: insanity on March 10, 2023, 08:44:27 AM
https://youtu.be/4-nACXR3Ao4
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 10, 2023, 08:45:40 AM
Sunday is the 12th.
That should be theatrical enough for him.
That's a good point. Perhaps he and Namath announce together via a PMS special broadcast.
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 08:47:12 AM
God damnit. This youtube stuff is going to turn into a problem in a few years. I guarantee it. He's going to say or do something stupid and turn it to tiktokboyYou do know he's of the raised by social media generation right
https://youtu.be/4-nACXR3Ao4
I think its a funny harmless gesture . He's trying to get his channel off the ground and the rising was right
I'll get upset when his on field play declines until then let em have some fun
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 08:48:05 AM
Sunday is the 12th.I'm thinking by end of today
That should be theatrical enough for him.
Gives everyone in media a whole weekend to jerk off and cover him all weekend.
Not to mention he knows we gotta build the roster starting Monday with legal tampering.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 10, 2023, 08:49:31 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 08:50:26 AM
It's all fun and games until the Mormon is driven to murder-suicide by his teammates.Aww shucks gee golly Mr Rodgers I love watching you play
AR:good now you get to do it for 2 years
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 10:53:56 AM
That's a good point. Perhaps he and Namath announce together via a PMS special broadcast.
Has Joe made any kind of public proclamation about letting Rodgers wear his number?
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2023, 11:07:20 AM
Has Joe made any kind of public proclamation about letting Rodgers wear his number?
it was reported that he would gladly let Rodgers wear #12
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 10, 2023, 12:44:56 PM
If Sauce or Garrett are part of a trade, I will be angrier than I've ever been at a sports franchise
Post by: steves850 on March 10, 2023, 12:56:07 PM
I wanted Carr to begin with, but I'd be happy with Rodgers
If Sauce or Garrett are part of a trade, I will be angrier than I've ever been at a sports franchise
If either one of them is part of the trade, I may really reconsider my fandom and I've NEVER been at that level of disgust or frustration, even at the worst of times.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 10, 2023, 01:01:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 10, 2023, 01:02:57 PM
If Sauce or Garrett are part of a trade, I will be angrier than I've ever been at a sports franchise
what
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 10, 2023, 01:05:23 PM
Douglas won't trade Sauce or Garrett. I don't know from where that came from but it's just not happening.
Idiot Packer fans
Post by: steves850 on March 10, 2023, 01:11:00 PM
Douglas won't trade Sauce or Garrett. I don't know from where that came from but it's just not happening.
I don't think so either but I've seen it on the shitty-derriere twitter. No one knows excrement right now so we're getting random speculation, I assume.
Post by: Badger on March 10, 2023, 01:12:54 PM
I'm thinking by end of todayFriday afternoon is the worst time to release news if you want attention.
Gives everyone in media a whole weekend to jerk off and cover him all weekend.
Not to mention he knows we gotta build the roster starting Monday with legal tampering.
Sunday night announcement would dominate news for the following week.
Post by: Badger on March 10, 2023, 01:15:14 PM
I don't think so either but I've seen it on the shitty-derriere twitter. No one knows excrement right now so we're getting random speculation, I assume.Please enjoy this image and use it freely on Twitter.
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Post by: Jumbo on March 10, 2023, 01:21:31 PM
I just need a communicado oficial for Rodgers already, jfc
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 10, 2023, 01:21:46 PM
If either one of them is part of the trade, I may really reconsider my fandom and I've NEVER been at that level of disgust or frustration, even at the worst of times.
Same
Like you said, just a bunch of speculative bullshit, but I wouldn't even entertain the conversation if GB brought it up
I'll give up this year's 1st to get this done, but I won't give up last year's. Make the PTBN Ashtyn Davis and throw in Berrios for good measure
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2023, 02:04:20 PM
Post by: steves850 on March 10, 2023, 02:20:46 PM
Why are we discussing rumors made up by brainlets on twitter that have no basis in reality
I just need a communicado oficial for Rodgers already, jfc
So sorry to derail this captivating and engaging conversation.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 10, 2023, 02:22:53 PM
Yeah that’s not happening, we can move on
STFU
We are trading Quinnen Sauce, Garrett, Breece, AVT, and three firsts for Rodgers and Robert Tonyan
ANYBODY BUT RUCKERT
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 02:23:33 PM
Garrett and sauce aren't going anywhere . They're the only reason JD might survive a house cleaning if he does
Why hedge that for a 1 or 2 yr rental of Rodgers
Nope math don't add up
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 02:45:29 PM
Either that or the odd thing is sauce kept saying a package deal
Maybe they're literally renegotiating multiple players on each side lol
Either way if we don't hear by Saturday I'd move on
You should know if you wanna play football within a week of the excrement actually hitting the fan
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 10, 2023, 02:58:19 PM
Either way if we don't hear by Saturday I'd move on
chill
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2023, 03:28:00 PM
#Packers President Mark Murphy told @news18tabbert that everyone hopes a resolution on Aaron Rodgers happens by the start of free agency and the organization will honor his trade request if he wants it. Murphy says the #Jets were the only team to receive permission.
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 04:23:10 PM
https://twitter.com/SchroederWBAY/status/1634302465133760515
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 04:51:15 PM
This shits gonna go down unless he retires
So nothing new lol
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 04:51:28 PM
chillInsert we don't do that here gif
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 04:52:31 PM
chillThis is more from a you clearly had a week on your options and if you question whether you want to play or not that badly you're probably mot in it
Conversely if he cones here he's going to have a huge chip on his shoulder and I love that
Waiting to say let's freaking go in all caps
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2023, 04:54:31 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 04:54:46 PM
This is more from a you clearly had a week on your options and if you question whether you want to play or not that badly you're probably mot in it
Conversely if he cones here he's going to have a huge chip on his shoulder and I love that
Waiting to say let's freaking go in all caps
Rodgers does not strike me as the sort of person who would hear those words from the Packers president and think, "well, that's me done, guess I'll just retire". But there's a degree of wishful thinking going on there as well.
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 04:55:36 PM
What do you think the Ravens will have to give us in a Lamar Rodgers swap?
dcm, I have a lot of time for many of your posts, and I find much of your trolling harmless and at times even entertaining, but to this I have nothing to offer but a hearty "freak you".
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 05:54:11 PM
Rodgers does not strike me as the sort of person who would hear those words from the Packers president and think, "well, that's me done, guess I'll just retire". But there's a degree of wishful thinking going on there as well.Me either which is why I'm hoping the wait has been for all the contract manipulation required on both sides
Sauce saying package deals makes me nervous not about our young talent but contracts packers may dump in trade for absorbing more of Rodgers dead money
We will see
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2023, 06:16:35 PM
dcm, I have a lot of time for many of your posts, and I find much of your trolling harmless and at times even entertaining, but to this I have nothing to offer but a hearty "freak you".
to answer his question....2 first round picks.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 10, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 06:36:22 PM
to answer his question....2 first round picks.
Starting to get close to the correct value at least. I'd want salary retained as well though.
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2023, 07:06:00 PM
Starting to get close to the correct value at least. I'd want salary retained as well though.
how do you retain salary on an UFA?
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2023, 07:18:06 PM
how do you retain salary on an UFA?
You're the one who completely misread the question, I'm just going along with it.
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 07:23:04 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/11o1svd/this_was_just_too_good_not_to_share/Fml yes we've reached that stage I expected good or bad news by now ao I can at least shift expectations but Jesus
Tomorrow I have to work so it'll keep me busy but I'd rather wake up to good news
Lol if he retires I swear we're gonna be a clownshoe joke lol
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2023, 07:31:05 PM
You're the one who completely misread the question, I'm just going along with it.Winning meaningless games hurts your franchise.
#NeverForget
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 07:41:54 PM
We can all agree that if it ain't Rodgers or Lamar it's a self deprecating band aid of mediocrity
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2023, 10:25:07 PM
@TomTortelini
Prrrrt
11:25 PM Friday March 10th 2023
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 03:24:09 AM
Fml yes we've reached that stage I expected good or bad news by now ao I can at least shift expectations but Jesus
Tomorrow I have to work so it'll keep me busy but I'd rather wake up to good news
Lol if he retires I swear we're gonna be a clownshoe joke lol
I think that’s the one thing we can all agree with.
Please dear god don’t let that happen.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 06:41:24 AM
Fingers crossed that after sleeping on it last night, Rodgers has his decision when he wakes up this morning
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 06:46:49 AM
Quote
According to
@JFowlerESPN
the "loose parameters/framework of a deal" are set between the #Jets and the #Packers for QB Aaron Rodgers.
"This can go down anytime between now and the start of free agency."
Soooo how about now then?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2023, 07:23:51 AM
It’s happening
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 07:42:39 AM
https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1634539786521178114?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
It’s happening
Everyone is restructuring contracts right now ahead of FA opening.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 07:54:21 AM
Everyone is restructuring contracts right now ahead of FA opening.
Given how bad Laken was last year, I don’t think you push his money down the road (keeping him here longer) unless you think Rodgers is coming and are opening space to do what you need to in order to seriously go all in for a ring.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 07:56:00 AM
Given how bad Laken was last year, I don’t think you push his money down the road (keeping him here longer) unless you think Rodgers is coming and are opening space to do what you need to in order to seriously go all in for a ring.
Or you think he's a good player who had a bad year for a variety of reasons, most of which weren't his fault.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 07:57:08 AM
Quote
From my understanding on #Jets & Aaron Rodgers: Everything that needs to be done is essentially done in regards to a trade. Sides have worked out what needs to be worked out.
So if Rodgers wants to be a Jet, he will be a Jet.
Broken record, but … just waiting on him to decide
Any time says Hughes
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 07:58:46 AM
Or you think he's a good player who had a bad year for a variety of reasons, most of which weren't his fault.
That just feels like a very expensive gamble to make when you have other guys you could restructure too, if you don’t think you have a top QB coming in
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2023, 07:59:22 AM
Everyone is restructuring contracts right now ahead of FA opening.
All 4 contracts we’ve restructured are of guys we signed last year
It’s clearly for Rodgers
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 08:07:05 AM
All 4 contracts we’ve restructured are of guys we signed last year
It’s clearly for Rodgers
I just think we have a few more restructures coming today to put us in position to pay Rodgers and a few other guys. If we are really going all in, (which if we get Rodgers we should be) we need all the money we can get to add as many players as possible for this run
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 08:23:01 AM
Cut or restructure both we can open like at least 19 by cutting both
But I'd prefer we keep them at a lower number this yr
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 08:28:46 AM
Still gotta hear something on Lawson and Whitehead
Cut or restructure both we can open like at least 19 by cutting both
But I'd prefer we keep them at a lower number this yr
Corey Davis is another “easy” $10 million as well.
I believe we are waiting to make Rodgers official before approaching those 3 for extensions and/or cuts. I believe if we get Rodgers we could extend Lawson lowering number quite a bit, trade away Davis and probably cut Whitehead if he won’t take an outright payout.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 08:32:58 AM
Corey Davis is another “easy” $10 million as well.If the free agency class didn't suck so bad . Davis might he worth holding onto unless their plan is trade or cut Davis and get Cobb and thielen at a discount
I believe we are waiting to make Rodgers official before approaching those 3 for extensions and/or cuts. I believe if we get Rodgers we could extend Lawson lowering number quite a bit, trade away Davis and probably cut Whitehead if he won’t take an outright payout.
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 08:51:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1634544138531004421?s=20You know more than Hughes does
Any time says Hughes
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 08:54:32 AM
You know more than Hughes doesNah I think it's happening we were 1.4 over this leaves us like a mil short of Rodgers cap hit
They need to get a yes from him then decide what they're soing with Davis Whitehead and Lawson for renegotiation or cut
Cutting all 3 saves like 32 mil
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 08:59:20 AM
Nah I think it's happening we were 1.4 over this leaves us like a mil short of Rodgers cap hitYou're gonna hurt pretty bad when Rodgers fucks this team in thr bumski eh?
They need to get a yes from him then decide what they're soing with Davis Whitehead and Lawson for renegotiation or cut
Cutting all 3 saves like 32 mil
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:00:50 AM
You're gonna hurt pretty bad when Rodgers fucks this team in thr bumski eh?You mean if he retires?
Nah then I just root for a tank with brissett.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 11, 2023, 09:03:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Maybe take a day or two off.Hahaha
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 09:04:32 AM
Long as we don't sign Jimmy G let him get overpaid in VegasYou need to prepare your bum for all scenarios...and meditate
Post by: Cane on March 11, 2023, 09:19:55 AM
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Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:20:37 AM
You need to prepare your bum for all scenarios...and meditateWe don't take days off.
There's no preparing my bum lol
I just dont buy the Sunday ticket and wait til 2024
I can't explain the utter lack of faith I have in Jimmy g to make us remotely relevant. He'd be injured by November and Zach wilson can tank us
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 09:23:23 AM
I can't explain the utter lack of faith I have in Jimmy g to make us remotely relevant.
It hasn't stopped you trying though.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:25:04 AM
It hasn't stopped you trying though.Don't get catty it only affirms British stereotypes
Youre propagating hate. Not very progressive of you
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2023, 09:27:30 AM
JFM, Davis, Lawson, and Whitehead are all of the guys worth watching right now for cuts/restructures. I’d cut the latter two (especially with Clark in the building now) and restructure JFM (it’s really a no brainer with how his contract is) for sure. Davis I could go either way, but it would depend on what we could do with his deal.
I don’t want to cut Carl. Corey Davis needs to go.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
That's 17.2 cleared
Ask Lawson for a restructure extend him one yr and lower his hit this yr .
Letting huff walk makes Lawson more valuable but if you keep JFM outside you can basically have Clemons and Johnson share Lawson missed snaps
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 09:30:17 AM
Don't get catty it only affirms British stereotypes
Youre propagating hate. Not very progressive of you
By the standards of this forum and its predecessors, that's an incredibly tame dig.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:35:04 AM
By the standards of this forum and its predecessors, that's an incredibly tame dig.Because you guys are animals rofl . I haven't met anyone in real life and I prefer not to bicker with people over jets excrement . This team has given me enough stress. I prefer to think im a more evolved man than my cheese dust era
Jimmy G might awaken the beast though
Then it's grated parmesean instead. If he gets us to the playoffs I'll buy some locateli in his honor
I've only met badger and we get along swimmingly so we've never had reason to go back n forth
I like to start light and only match the level thrown my way
My delusional concept of decorum
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:37:08 AM
Whether it's Rodgers or Wach Zilson
They just put a fake mustache on Zach and say he was a FA pickup
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 09:48:54 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 09:51:05 AM
I need to see the details of the Tomlinson restructure. I really don't like how Douglas restructured CJ Mosley's contract, I feel like we just compounded Maccagnan's overpay there. Hope we didn't do the same thing with Tomlinson. DJ Reed's is another story; as far as I'm concerned, the longer we're tethered to him, the better.Hopefully it's base salary stuff and not bloating guarantees on an extra yr
Post by: delavan on March 11, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
Cheer uo guys no time for fighting we get our new qb today(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg/192px-Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg/192px-Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg/192px-Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg/192px-Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg)
Whether it's Rodgers or Wach Zilson
They just put a fake mustache on Zach and say he was a FA pickup
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 10:08:28 AM
I need to see the details of the Tomlinson restructure. I really don't like how Douglas restructured CJ Mosley's contract, I feel like we just compounded Maccagnan's overpay there. Hope we didn't do the same thing with Tomlinson. DJ Reed's is another story; as far as I'm concerned, the longer we're tethered to him, the better.
That was my point about restructuring Tomlinson earlier. That’s not a move you make (assuming we are now tethered to him longer as we’d all expect) unless we are expecting Rodgers to say yes and not only need money for him but whatever we assume the “last” pieces to the puzzle are. In order to really push our chips to the middle and go all in right now. In a way it’s a signal that we are planning on 2025 being a “get right” year where we lose some guys and eat a bunch of dead money while we pay last years class and search for a new QB to pilot the ship.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 10:20:14 AM
That was my point about restructuring Tomlinson earlier. That’s not a move you make (assuming we are now tethered to him longer as we’d all expect) unless we are expecting Rodgers to say yes and not only need money for him but whatever we assume the “last” pieces to the puzzle are. In order to really push our chips to the middle and go all in right now. In a way it’s a signal that we are planning on 2025 being a “get right” year where we lose some guys and eat a bunch of dead money while we pay last years class and search for a new QB to pilot the ship.As bad as he played last yr I imagine Rodgers would prefer a vet on his OL too
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 10:21:52 AM
As bad as he played last yr I imagine Rodgers would prefer a vet on his OL too
Oh I’m sure keeping him this year makes all the sense. But keeping him on the roster in 24 doesn’t unless his play does a 180 from last year. I’d rather not make that gamble just for a random FA. If it’s Rodgers and friends? That’s a different deal.
Guys like JFM and Moseley? Totally makes sense just to make space to improve. Tomlinson does not IMO.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 10:34:13 AM
Oh I’m sure keeping him this year makes all the sense. But keeping him on the roster in 24 doesn’t unless his play does a 180 from last year. I’d rather not make that gamble just for a random FA. If it’s Rodgers and friends? That’s a different deal.That's the thing about having young cheap talent. Only so many corners you can cut tbh
Guys like JFM and Moseley? Totally makes sense just to make space to improve. Tomlinson does not IMO.
Post by: Cane on March 11, 2023, 11:09:41 AM
I'd cut Whitehead (clark) and Davis (anyone healthy)We can keep Huff for the RFA tender, so there’s no need to let him walk. 4 mill for the 2nd round tender this year is an easy decision to make. If someone wants him for the 2nd, so be it.
That's 17.2 cleared
Ask Lawson for a restructure extend him one yr and lower his hit this yr .
Letting huff walk makes Lawson more valuable but if you keep JFM outside you can basically have Clemons and Johnson share Lawson missed snaps
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Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 11:10:52 AM
We can keep Huff for the RFA tender, so there’s no need to let him walk. 4 mill for the 2nd round tender this year is an easy decision to make. If someone wants him for the 2nd, so be it.There you go. Problem solved
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I'd just platoon Huff Johnson and Clemons (Texas law firm ) at DE and slide JFM inside where he's a bigger mismatch imo.
Especially if we can't re sign rankins or get dt depth in the draft
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 11:18:56 AM
That was my point about restructuring Tomlinson earlier. That’s not a move you make (assuming we are now tethered to him longer as we’d all expect) unless we are expecting Rodgers to say yes and not only need money for him but whatever we assume the “last” pieces to the puzzle are. In order to really push our chips to the middle and go all in right now. In a way it’s a signal that we are planning on 2025 being a “get right” year where we lose some guys and eat a bunch of dead money while we pay last years class and search for a new QB to pilot the ship.Counterpoint: if you know you're not getting Rodgers, or even just fear it, you need to have a huge splash everywhere else in FA to support the second tier QB you're about to disappoint the fans with.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 11:25:36 AM
Counterpoint: if you know you're not getting Rodgers, or even just fear it, you need to have a huge splash everywhere else in FA to support the second tier QB you're about to disappoint the fans with.This is sadly true
We were gonna clear regardless but the names and amount seem like AR prep
With the rest were discussing to follow
Either way we needed yo be cap complaint and have a few pennies in the piggy bank for Monday
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 12:28:06 PM
Oh, and i'll probably do my taxes.
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 12:47:40 PM
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Mikey “Beardown” Cuz
@BeardownCuz
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Hearing rumblings out of East Rutherford from a very reliable source that in addition to Aaron Rodgers (who the Jets consider virtually a done deal), there is going to be a MAJOR game-changing piece added as well. #Jets
One of the "pkgs" Sauce was alluding to. Next week is gonna be must-see TV.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 12:48:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 12:50:06 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/Lmobms4.png)
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 12:57:02 PM
Who the freak is Mikey Cuz?
some random podcaster with 8k followers. Probably doesn't know excrement.....or maybe? he does.
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
Mekhi feeling like the rest of us
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2023, 02:22:17 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 02:33:55 PM
Out of my derriere on the toilet
-Incarcerated Bob
It's just an Indian jets fan who wants to see female prisoner funbags
Post by: insanity on March 11, 2023, 02:34:37 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 02:34:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Lmobms4.png)Lololplol
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 02:35:49 PM
So tom pelissaro is a hackNobody talks about TahmmyPescatarian like that
Hes coming over tuhmarrow for gravy
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 03:03:41 PM
Yes I'm bored
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
There better be news by the time I'm off work. Or absolutely nothing will happen of consequence
Yes I'm bored
My gut tells me it'll be quiet on this front until Monday morning.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 03:11:00 PM
My gut tells me it'll be quiet on this front until Monday morning.I mean they're had enough time to build a AR or Rodgerless contingency
The fact AR can't make up his mind if he wants to play football or not is slightly concerning
But 18 yrs somewhere were just fans. I'd take every moment till Sunday probably myself and it's understandable
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 03:12:15 PM
Don't want to upset you guys by saying his name again
Lolol9l
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 03:13:03 PM
Watch him sign in NE or Miami within 90 minutes
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 03:16:40 PM
Actually I'm about to finish my work foe the day just a few hours left and it's dragging was just hoping for good news to get me through the rest of my day
Watch him sign in NE or Miami within 90 minutes
wat
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 03:21:05 PM
I'm just spitballing unforseen WWE level turns
wat
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 03:22:35 PM
I'm just spitballing unforseen WWE level turns
maybe Cato's onto something....perhaps you need to take a day off or 2.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 03:37:00 PM
Lol yes because I mean everything I post in earnest
lies make jesus cry
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 11, 2023, 03:39:32 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 03:41:20 PM
He's attending a celebrity flag football game
#priorities
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 03:52:45 PM
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Updating previous reports, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Packers and Jets "have not agreed to the framework of an Aaron Rodgers trade."
This comes just hours after reports from multiple agencies surfaced stating the contrary. Pelissero adds, "If he decides he wants to go to New York, then the teams will work to hammer out a deal." Whatever the case may be, all eyes are currently fixed on Aaron Rodgers, the Packers, and the Jets as the three parties continue to work towards their respective futures. The likeliest scenario still stands that Aaron Rodgers has played his last down for Green Bay, indicating a shift in focus to third-year quarterback Jordan Love.
freak you, Jets fans!
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 03:53:46 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 03:57:39 PM
GB wants a sweetener. They're about to get slathered in Mims.
That report is obviously from the Packers side.
Deal is done. Packers can try and balk at the last moment for one more sweetener and Joe Douglas should tell them to enjoy Rodgers $60 million dollar cap hit this year.
They will cave, they have no options there.
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 03:58:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 03:59:37 PM
Some of our 3rd day guys from 2021 might be a part of this deal. I love Brandin Echols and the Michaels Carter, but I wouldn't be shocked if one of them was a part of the package. All three of them dipped a bit in their sophomore years but have solid potential.
Maybe it's Becton
It would certainly solidify us going OL at #13
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 04:05:00 PM
Maybe it's Becton
It would certainly solidify us going OL at #13
Yeah, Becton, Moore, Mims, and Bryce Hall are all guys I really hope are part of the deal, but probably aren't.
Bryce Huff might be on the block too.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 04:05:52 PM
Yeah, Becton, Moore, Mims, and Bryce Hall are all guys I really hope are part of the deal, but probably aren't.Isn't Huff a free agent?
Bryce Huff might be on the block too.
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 04:06:31 PM
Isn't Huff a free agent?
RFA
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 04:07:13 PM
RFA
We have to tender him before we could trade him and/or lose him for compensation. I don’t think we have done that part yet.
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2023, 04:07:32 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 11, 2023, 04:09:03 PM
freak you, Jets fans!Thsts why I wanted to see a primary source. UStadium saying someone else said something doesn't mean much to me without seeing what they actually said.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 04:09:42 PM
(https://i.redd.it/a83lqnei16na1.png)wouldn’t it be funny if Laken gave back money to directly go into Rodgers pocket just to send this meme
Post by: insanity on March 11, 2023, 04:12:26 PM
freak you, Jets fans!What a fuckhead. The only person saying the deal was done was him. And now he says the reports were incorrect.
His reports
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 04:47:02 PM
lies make jesus cryJesus allows this team to exist and they make me cry
We're even
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2023, 04:53:32 PM
Thsts why I wanted to see a primary source. UStadium saying someone else said something doesn't mean much to me without seeing what they actually said.Those tweets are the worst because they're not verbatim either. Always twisted a little.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Insert inane comment here
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2023, 06:14:09 PM
Yeah, Becton, Moore, Mims, and Bryce Hall are all guys I really hope are part of the deal, but probably aren't.
Bryce Huff might be on the block too.
Yeah but how interested are the Ravens in those guys
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 06:18:44 PM
Yeah but how interested are the Ravens in those guysLol
We may find out if Rodgers wants to live in a hobbit house eating shrooms
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2023, 06:29:09 PM
Hourly shitpostAfter we get Rodgers we're getting Beckham and Henry.
Insert inane comment here
Source: my derriere
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2023, 07:08:42 PM
After we get Rodgers we're getting Beckham and Henry.#AssWhispers
Source: my derriere
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 07:14:57 PM
#AssWhispers#Queen Report from Extra Chromosome Esden
Thats for you Heis
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 07:15:56 PM
Hope we get Aaron Jackson too
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 07:18:13 PM
Jake Asman, Jets Talk 24/7, and Jets Central are the main ones I follow
Wasn't Matt O Leary on TGG like circa 2007?
I'm about to just turn my philips hue lights jets green and start a channel
If Heis favorite guy can get a following I know I can lol
Should just start livestreaming group discussions .
Who's down
Post by: casman02 on March 11, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 07:28:34 PM
I bet it happens at 2AM tonightWhen did Favre happen I remember being hammered and smoking a bowl and seeing breaking news mid hit
One of tbe best nights ever filled with so much hollow hope lololpl
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2023, 07:33:23 PM
When did Favre happen I remember being hammered and smoking a bowl and seeing breaking news mid hitJust recreate these circumstances so the universe wills it again.
One of tbe best nights ever filled with so much hollow hope lololpl
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 07:37:21 PM
Just recreate these circumstances so the universe wills it again.Hahaha I've got no whiskey here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2023, 07:56:00 PM
Hahaha I've got no whiskey here
I gotchu fam
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 08:02:24 PM
I gotchu famLol I got my card so tbe flower is plenty but ni whiskey lol
I'm tired if we announced Rodgers now I'd go to the liquor store but I try to limit my drinking to football season lol
But the beast is hungry.
Minotaur
Feed the beast!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2023, 08:16:21 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2023, 08:29:47 PM
I bet it happens at 2AM tonight
The one time this year there's no 2 AM. Trade not happening confirmed
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 08:43:56 PM
The one time this year there's no 2 AM. Trade not happening confirmedHahahahahaah gold
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2023, 10:25:39 PM
Who do you guys actually follow ?
Jake Asman, Jets Talk 24/7, and Jets Central are the main ones I follow
Wasn't Matt O Leary on TGG like circa 2007?
I'm about to just turn my philips hue lights jets green and start a channel
If Heis favorite guy can get a following I know I can lol
Should just start livestreaming group discussions .
Who's down
I mean us assholes know just as much stuff as 3/4 of the YouTubers anyways. And listening to us has to be a hell of a lot more entertaining than most of those guys.
freak it I’m in.
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2023, 10:45:12 PM
Rodgers: "There won't be long. There's a time limit."
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 10:47:25 PM
I mean us assholes know just as much stuff as 3/4 of the YouTubers anyways. And listening to us has to be a hell of a lot more entertaining than most of those guys.I'll look into getting some other stuff set up here
freak it I’m in.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 10:51:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1634775344468185088?s=46&t=7YugauThigeuDNMeUY5t5wBoner alert
Rodgers: "There won't be long. There's a time limit."
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2023, 10:55:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1634775344468185088?s=46&t=7YugauThigeuDNMeUY5t5w
Rodgers: "There won't be long. There's a time limit."
I love that he's talking to Brandon, dude is a huge cheerleader for us.
Post by: Coach K on March 11, 2023, 11:02:24 PM
I love that he's talking to Brandon, dude is a huge cheerleader for us.AR is on good terms with a decent amount of recently retired guys and vets
Hes flaky he's weird but he's not dumb and definitely likeable if you're a fellow athlete.
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2023, 11:10:00 PM
Larger clip of the interview here.
Seems promising imo but who knows
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
https://youtu.be/nFGIdJO-HH0?t=206"It won't be long, there's a time limit ' -Ayayron
Larger clip of the interview here.
Seems promising imo but who knows
So Monday to Wednesday
I'd imagine tomorrow or Monday
Post by: Libero_2 on March 12, 2023, 06:19:55 AM
"It won't be long, there's a time limit ' -Ayayron
So Monday to Wednesday
I'd imagine tomorrow or Monday
Honestly listening to it, and seeing the smirk, I’d wager it’s Monday morning. No matter what move happens in the League Monday, Rodgers will be the biggest story. Add in the supposed “package deals all over the place” Sauce was talking about, and the supposed “at least one more big name coming to NY” if Rodgers comes, and you have to imagine it’s all going down Monday to dominate headlines for the entire first week of FA.
My day dream scenario
Rodgers announces at 7 am PST (10 am EST) 2 hrs before FA. Jets trade a 3 and a conditional pick next year
Bucs cut Mike Evans - we sign him for $3 million in 2023 cap
Trade a 4th for Derrick Henry on a reworked contract again keeping his 2023 $$$ low
Jets sign Tremaine Edmonds and Mike McGlinchey and Jimmie Ward to low 2023 deals
Jets cut Whitehead, trade Davis for minimal draft return (2024 5th or so). Lower Lawsons cap hit to make the monies all work out.
Too me, that’s going all the freak in. If you wanna push the chips in the middle, then push those chips in the freaking middle and go for it. If breaking bad has taught me one thing, it’s no freaking half measures. Either all or freaking nothing.
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2023, 08:33:52 AM
Post by: Cane on March 12, 2023, 09:10:16 AM
Too me, that’s going all the freak in. If you wanna push the chips in the middle, then push those chips in the freaking middle and go for it. If breaking bad has taught me one thing, it’s no freaking half measures. Either all or freaking nothing.As legendary philosophers Mobb Deep once said, “ain’t no such thing as half way crooks.” It’s all go for a title or nothing.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 12, 2023, 09:27:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2023, 10:43:48 AM
Hmmmm
Post by: Cane on March 12, 2023, 12:20:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2023, 12:22:50 PM
I get why it wouldn’t be official until then, but I don’t think it would stop them from saying “hey, this is what’s happening on march 17” through the media. I feel like there’s no downside to letting everyone know the deal, especially when it comes to planning for free agency (it even helps impending free agents make decisions).
the media isn't required for this to happen. I'm sure there's a ton going on behind the scenes.
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 12:46:35 PM
the media isn't required for this to happen. I'm sure there's a ton going on behind the scenes.Well Rodgers isn't dumb. What the media is needed for is to let the rest of the NFL know he's a jet so we can leverage his presence for FA recruiting lol
I would say if this drags into Wednesday it's not a great move lol
Not unless you hear a story about Rodgers contacting and recruiting behind the scenes on Monday when legal tampering starts
I think Rodgers would've retired by now if he was
I assume this is a pissing match on compensation and dead cap allotment
There's probably a few different packages and they're nitpicking best way to get it done till teams agree.
Rodgers also waiting until the last minute pits GB against themselves
Because eventually we will need to walk.
I take it as a last f you to GB.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2023, 12:54:24 PM
Honestly listening to it, and seeing the smirk, I’d wager it’s Monday morning. No matter what move happens in the League Monday, Rodgers will be the biggest story. Add in the supposed “package deals all over the place” Sauce was talking about, and the supposed “at least one more big name coming to NY” if Rodgers comes, and you have to imagine it’s all going down Monday to dominate headlines for the entire first week of FA.I really do not understand why people on this board want Henry. Thats a terrible use of resources. Use that pick to draft a RB and that money to help elsewhere.
My day dream scenario
Rodgers announces at 7 am PST (10 am EST) 2 hrs before FA. Jets trade a 3 and a conditional pick next year
Bucs cut Mike Evans - we sign him for $3 million in 2023 cap
Trade a 4th for Derrick Henry on a reworked contract again keeping his 2023 $$$ low
Jets sign Tremaine Edmonds and Mike McGlinchey and Jimmie Ward to low 2023 deals
Jets cut Whitehead, trade Davis for minimal draft return (2024 5th or so). Lower Lawsons cap hit to make the monies all work out.
Too me, that’s going all the freak in. If you wanna push the chips in the middle, then push those chips in the freaking middle and go for it. If breaking bad has taught me one thing, it’s no freaking half measures. Either all or freaking nothing.
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 12:58:25 PM
I really do not understand why people on this board want Henry. Thats a terrible use of resources. Use that pick to draft a RB and that money to help elsewhere.If im trading for anyone else other than Rodgers it's Mike Evans and I'm not letting him hit FA.
I'm securing him and telling Thielen and Cobb whatever dogshit Rodgers wants sorry not sorry you can ride the bench and rub Aaron's balls during practice .
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2023, 01:11:54 PM
If im trading for anyone else other than Rodgers it's Mike Evans and I'm not letting him hit FA.
I'm securing him and telling Thielen and Cobb whatever dogshit Rodgers wants sorry not sorry you can ride the bench and rub Aaron's balls during practice .
let's secure Rodgers first before we start letting our imaginations run wild.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2023, 01:17:58 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2023, 01:31:54 PM
If im trading for anyone else other than Rodgers it's Mike Evans and I'm not letting him hit FA.I don't mind Lazard. I'm not a big Lazard fan, but if we're going to bring in a Rodgers guy, Lazard's skillset is a good compliment to Moore and Wilson. Big guy who can block and be a RZ threat.
I'm securing him and telling Thielen and Cobb whatever dogshit Rodgers wants sorry not sorry you can ride the bench and rub Aaron's balls during practice .
Post by: Libero_2 on March 12, 2023, 01:34:27 PM
I really do not understand why people on this board want Henry. Thats a terrible use of resources. Use that pick to draft a RB and that money to help elsewhere.
If you do the same thing you do with him that you do Evans (keep the 2023 cap low) you get a guy that is motivated and after a ring. You put him and Breece on the field together for 200-225 touches a piece this season and you get constant dynamic RB play and you also extend the career of Henry and don’t risk overworking Hall coming off an ACL. Oh and add that Hall May or may not be able to play lots of snaps early in the season, having a solid RB who’s ready to roll right now is huge.
Obviously if you are paying Henry 10 million that’s no worth it. But if his cap is $4-$5 million? That still puts us at one of the cheapest RB rooms in the league. And for this year do I want Derrick Henry at that price or a 4th round RB, I want Henry.
It probably doesn’t happen. But if you wanna go all in, adding Henry and Evans would be one way to do it. My point is, there’s a situation where it makes sense to do that move. But the money absolutely has to come down a significant amount to be worth considering it.
Post by: Cane on March 12, 2023, 02:28:37 PM
the media isn't required for this to happen. I'm sure there's a ton going on behind the scenes.Not required, but it sends a clear message. We’ve seen how quickly things can turn during the legal tampering period.
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 03:23:59 PM
Not required, but it sends a clear message. We’ve seen how quickly things can turn during the legal tampering period.This
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 03:25:33 PM
I don't mind Lazard. I'm not a big Lazard fan, but if we're going to bring in a Rodgers guy, Lazard's skillset is a good compliment to Moore and Wilson. Big guy who can block and be a RZ threat.Meh
I'd go scorched earth for Evans if Rodgers is here and it wouldn't cost much
I'm telling TB about to cut lavonte David and have a fire sale and be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes
Post by: IATA on March 12, 2023, 06:23:56 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 12, 2023, 06:29:28 PM
This mfer is gonna freak us, ain't no doubt in my mind. Ain't no doubt.
To go where? Dude certainly seems to want to play. We are literally the only team in the mix for him.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2023, 06:35:03 PM
https://twitter.com/gordondamer/status/1634242848986939418?t=neIel62fQpxL9lep8ROHkg&s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2023, 07:09:13 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 10:02:23 PM
As long as he announces before the start of free agency, he can do whatever he wants.I mean it basically starts tomorrow lol
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2023, 10:04:24 PM
let's secure Rodgers first before we start letting our imaginations run wild.It's not wild
I'm in tampa and TB is having a fire sale . David will be cut . Not that i want him
Just saying they're gonna blow that roster up
But yeah it's a move I only make if we get Rodgers or Lamar
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 06:47:07 AM
Either way, we learn something today, either we are calling Jimmy G or Rodgers shows up in JetLand today
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 07:24:27 AM
I’m thinking 10 am, a couple hours before tampering and a reasonably early wake-up time for Californians (7am pst)
Either way, we learn something today, either we are calling Jimmy G or Rodgers shows up in JetLand today
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Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 13, 2023, 08:46:59 AM
@DanGrazianoESPN
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 08:49:30 AM
"Feels like it is tilting toward the #Jets and there was a lot of optimism this weekend that New York will land him. I think this is something that could come out today." -
@DanGrazianoESPN
I understand the 24 hour news cycle and the need to create content but this has been said since Thursday, nothing of substance has changed.
This is why I was down on getting Rodgers. Obviously it's AROD or bust at this point, but it sucks being tied to a prima donna, drama queen, antivaxxing conspiracy theorist.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 08:57:39 AM
I understand the 24 hour news cycle and the need to create content but this has been said since Thursday, nothing of substance has changed.
This is why I was down on getting Rodgers. Obviously it's AROD or bust at this point, but it sucks being tied to a prima donna, drama queen, antivaxxing conspiracy theorist.
ditto.
I'd love to have Rodgers, but the fodder that comes along with trying to land him was going to be painful. I hope Woddy has a solid plan B not named Jimmy G.
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 09:15:07 AM
ditto.
I'd love to have Rodgers, but the fodder that comes along with trying to land him was going to be painful. I hope Woddy has a solid plan B not named Jimmy G.
I know it'll trigger some but if AROD fails, Woody should be 100% in on Lamar.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 09:22:05 AM
I know it'll trigger some but if AROD fails, Woody should be 100% in on Lamar.Nah I'd go scorched earth for Lamar if Rodgers falls through
Cept Baltimore would just match and jets purgatory continues with Jimmy Clam and Noodles
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 09:29:30 AM
I know it'll trigger some but if AROD fails, Woody should be 100% in on Lamar.
Totally.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 09:30:23 AM
Nah I'd go scorched earth for Lamar if Rodgers falls through
Cept Baltimore would just match and jets purgatory continues with Jimmy Clam and Noodles
there's a number out there that Balt won't match...otherwise they'd have deal by now. Woody needs to go 5 mil above THAT number.
Post by: insanity on March 13, 2023, 09:39:22 AM
there's a number out there that Balt won't match...otherwise they'd have deal by now. Woody needs to go 5 mil above THAT number.(https://media.tenor.com/kqXJzGr5cnIAAAAM/simpol-khaby-lame.gif)
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 09:46:45 AM
(https://media.tenor.com/kqXJzGr5cnIAAAAM/simpol-khaby-lame.gif)
It kinda is simple. You ask what Lamar wants, then go $5 mil above it.
Simpol.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 09:47:56 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 09:51:30 AM
I was told by a reliable source this deal would be done by 10am
give it up, man...Dortch isn't coming here.
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I was told by a reliable source this deal would be done by 10am
Did they specify a time zone? Is AROD still in Cali?
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 09:54:40 AM
I’m thinking 10 am, a couple hours before tampering and a reasonably early wake-up time for Californians (7am pst)
Either way, we learn something today, either we are calling Jimmy G or Rodgers shows up in JetLand today
Did they specify a time zone? Is AROD still in Cali?Yes
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2023, 09:56:59 AM
It kinda is simple. You ask what Lamar wants, then go $5 mil above it.
Simpol.
Not allowed to do that until Wednesday.
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 09:57:50 AM
Yes
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Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 10:09:56 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/wVG5iaHYWS3eT1I2EY/giphy.gif)Lol
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 10:12:09 AM
Not allowed to do that until Wednesday.
freak Wednesday
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 10:14:00 AM
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Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky
We're an hour away from the start of the free agent negotiating period, and I'm told neither the Packers nor the Jets know what Aaron Rodgers is going to do.
So he's literally holding us and the Packers hostage. Nice.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2023, 10:14:04 AM
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If, for some reason, Aaron Rodgers to the Jets doesn't happen ... It's widely assumed the fallback is FA Jimmy Garoppolo, but I think they would go in a different direction. Maybe pursue another trade: Tannehill? Stafford? Cousins? #Jets
March 13, 2023 11:03am EDT
Who is feeling inspired
Post by: Gorilla on March 13, 2023, 10:17:16 AM
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 10:17:41 AM
Who is feeling inspired
If Rodgers falls thru and we end up with someone from that list, would there be a bigger villain in Jets history?
Also if we end up with Cousins after how he played us to get the Vikings deal... freak, it's hard being a Jets fan...
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
So he's literally holding us and the Packers hostage. Nice.
i told you this would happen.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 10:30:28 AM
i told you this would happen.
If he still ends up here, I don't care and it will have been worth it.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 10:37:30 AM
If he still ends up here, I don't care and it will have been worth it.
We can compare ulcers after it happens.
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 10:42:47 AM
If he still ends up here, I don't care and it will have been worth it.
Worth will be determined based on the team's success not whether he simply shows up.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 11:00:26 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2023, 11:02:15 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
freak it, go get a guy like Mike Evans and either prep for whatever other QB or get Rodgers an extra reason to show the hell up and play
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2023, 11:10:37 AM
https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1635306173074391040
I know this sounds great and all
But why the freak would the whole free agent market be trembling over Rodgers?
It's not like this is some super QB sweepstakes with 15 teams involved
At this point it sounds like there's literally one team interested in trading for a 40 year old QB
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
I cannot believe we are still in limbo.
LOL, LMAO.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 11:26:36 AM
LOL, LMAO.
I know, right?
As if some of you didn't see this coming. Rodgers is a sociopath.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
I know, right?Hahaha I'm not shocked but from a GM perspective it's time to pivot unless we hear something soon
As if some of you didn't see this coming. Rodgers is a sociopath.
Post by: ons on March 13, 2023, 11:28:54 AM
I know this sounds great and all
But why the freak would the whole free agent market be trembling over Rodgers?
I assume that mid-tier QB market is on hold - they all want Rodgers to retire so the Jets will over pursue whatever the backup option is as this point. And enough teams are waiting on those QBs to slow things down. But yeah, I'm sure that teams and agents will just move on if it drags on any longer
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2023, 11:30:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 11:33:05 AM
I mean, technically FA isn't open for two more days and nothing that anyone agrees today or tomorrow is real. Rodgers could announce his decision on Wednesday lunchtime and everything done in the previous 48 hours gets torn up and we start again.
lol no
Post by: steves850 on March 13, 2023, 11:35:40 AM
I mean, technically FA isn't open for two more days and nothing that anyone agrees today or tomorrow is real. Rodgers could announce his decision on Wednesday lunchtime and everything done in the previous 48 hours gets torn up and we start again.
I mean, technically Rodgers is a queynte despite lacking the warmth, depth, and ability to give pleasure.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2023, 11:37:07 AM
lol no
Obviously it's not going to happen, I'm just saying that technically it could. For example, Rodgers announces he's going to the Jets and suddenly a receiver with a deal elsewhere decides he'd rather catch passes from Rodgers than Garropolo. Or he announces he's retiring and Brissett decides he'd rather be the de facto starter in NY than battling Trask for the job in Tampa.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 11:38:24 AM
I mean, technically FA isn't open for two more days and nothing that anyone agrees today or tomorrow is real. Rodgers could announce his decision on Wednesday lunchtime and everything done in the previous 48 hours gets torn up and we start again.The entire landscape of the NFL isn't on hold . We are . Lol
If im a good player who doesn't care about playing with Rodgers I'm not tearing up my deal
Probably half the players in tbe league lol.
Then if he actually does retire we miss out on quite a few other options to improve this team
Hes holding 2 teams hostage simultaneously
Again he has every right to take his time but I though the football player in him was aware of tbe actual ripple effect it would have
It's OK we may hear something in a few hours and it's all a mootnpoint
But the idea the entire FA landscape is gonna pivot after agreeing to terms is laughable
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
But the idea the entire FA landscape is gonna pivot after agreeing to terms is laughable
Again, I obviously don't expect it to happen. But nothing gets signed until Wednesday and players do walk away from deals on occasion.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
I mean, technically Rodgers is a queynte despite lacking the warmth, depth, and ability to give pleasure.
Literally standing up to applaud
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 12:22:05 PM
The entire landscape of the NFL isn't on hold . We are . Lol
If im a good player who doesn't care about playing with Rodgers I'm not tearing up my deal
Probably half the players in tbe league lol.
Then if he actually does retire we miss out on quite a few other options to improve this team
Hes holding 2 teams hostage simultaneously
Again he has every right to take his time but I though the football player in him was aware of tbe actual ripple effect it would have
It's OK we may hear something in a few hours and it's all a mootnpoint
But the idea the entire FA landscape is gonna pivot after agreeing to terms is laughable
I really don't think that was his point.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 12:31:42 PM
I really don't think that was his point.And my point was built off he and mbs exchange
The debate was a hard pivot because you're ability to supplement needs of quality at other spots is solely dependant on what's going on with Rodgers
Mb was prompting hard pivot . And JE was saying there's time for stuff to change regardless in 48 hrs
Both aren't wrong . I was moreso making the point of why I tend to agree with MB then clearly staring why position priority and value of performance per dollar all are dependant on what qb looks like
And why all of our opinions could be rendered moot within hours
Yes I get what's going on here
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 12:41:17 PM
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Mike Giardi @MikeGiardi
Heard from multiple sources that the #Panthers would be willing to move last year's 3rd round draft pick, QB Matt Corral. Cost won't be high.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 12:45:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 12:48:11 PM
@MikeGarafolo
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The #Raiders are closing in on a deal with QB Jimmy Garoppolo, sources say. After six seasons and a Super Bowl appearance with the #49ers, Jimmy G is on his way to Vegas, the site of this season’s Super Bowl, to reunite with Josh McDaniels.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 12:49:02 PM
Not Jimmy g lolol
Post by: Jumbo on March 13, 2023, 12:49:56 PM
Anyway see you all with 2023 Jets starting quarterback Sleve McDichael
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 12:54:43 PM
The only thing I've wanted so far thst I've gotEvery QB you rule out just means a greater chance of Zach week 1.
Not Jimmy g lolol
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 12:55:04 PM
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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The #Raiders are closing in on a deal with QB Jimmy Garoppolo, sources say. After six seasons and a Super Bowl appearance with the #49ers, Jimmy G is on his way to Vegas, the site of this season’s Super Bowl, to reunite with Josh McDaniels.
This was such an obvious move.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 12:55:08 PM
Letting go of Carr just to sign Jimmy G lmaoTank for Tod Bonzalez
Anyway see you all with 2023 Jets starting quarterback Sleve McDichael
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 12:56:43 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 12:57:46 PM
Carr getting $15M more per year than Jimmy G.Paying 15M extra for the same guy, just because he was healthier in the past. No guarantee of future health.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 12:58:52 PM
Every QB you rule out just means a greater chance of Zach week 1.I ruled out Jimmy G and that's it
It's on Joe Douglas for failing with zach lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 12:59:02 PM
Paying 15M extra for the same guy, just because he was healthier in the past. No guarantee of future health.
Literally no player offers that guarantee.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 12:59:30 PM
Literally no player offers that guarantee.EXACTLY
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 01:01:12 PM
Paying 15M extra for the same guy, just because he was healthier in the past. No guarantee of future health.
That's a hefty, hefty premium.
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 01:02:05 PM
I ruled out Jimmy G and that's it4d chess Zach for 1 more yr = Caleb Williams
It's on Joe Douglas for failing with zach lol
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2023, 01:13:09 PM
You're telling me there's 26 additional people other than those listed who come here?
DECLARE YOURSELVES
Post by: Gorilla on March 13, 2023, 01:22:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/18U751B.png)
You're telling me there's 26 additional people other than those listed who come here?
DECLARE YOURSELVES
Especially you, LATEST MEMBER Paradice!!
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 01:25:28 PM
Especially you, LATEST MEMBER Paradice!!It's pronounced pair uh dee chay
Hes Thomas Episcopalians cousin
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 01:27:15 PM
@OptimisticJets
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Daniel Jeremiah who is a good friend of Joe Douglas says the #Jets should pivot to Lamar Jackson if they don’t land Aaron Rodgers
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 01:28:56 PM
Optimistic JetsShould and will are 2 different realities we know all too well
@OptimisticJets
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Daniel Jeremiah who is a good friend of Joe Douglas says the #Jets should pivot to Lamar Jackson if they don’t land Aaron Rodgers
Post by: Jumbo on March 13, 2023, 01:36:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/18U751B.png)
You're telling me there's 26 additional people other than those listed who come here?
DECLARE YOURSELVES
It's just me and my 25-strong bot army (and Sleve McDichael)
Post by: Jumbo on March 13, 2023, 01:54:55 PM
Hearing Rodgers to the Jets is done. History about to repeat itself between New York and Green Bay. Time is indeed a flat circle
!!!!
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 01:56:29 PM
https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1635353210310504448?s=20Oh
Hearing Rodgers to the Jets is done. History about to repeat itself between New York and Green Bay. Time is indeed a flat circle
!!!!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 01:57:33 PM
HE IS A JET
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 01:58:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 02:00:15 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 13, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
EDIT: it's actually 27, 3 on this thread, so no hurt GB fans like the Favre bois in TGG
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 02:03:36 PM
Now it's just 3 guests, you chased them away, we had such a beautiful thing goingIf they can't emerge from tbe darkness for this moment then they don't deserve tbe light
EDIT: it's actually 27, 3 on this thread, so no hurt GB fans like the Favre bois in TGG
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 02:05:00 PM
Garret wilson and a bunch of jets players blowing their load on Twitter
Anyone tweet a goodbye message?
Post by: guinness77 on March 13, 2023, 02:05:54 PM
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 02:05:57 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1635356101091926018?t=xqgmC6-BXDNfRJpuoW4IOg&s=19
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2023, 02:07:08 PM
Rap denies itRap specifically was targeted by AR
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1635356101091926018?t=xqgmC6-BXDNfRJpuoW4IOg&s=19
Hes petty enough to leak elsewhere out of spite
Or so im telling myself
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 02:13:13 PM
@BreeceH
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The Cheese Head did it😂😂🧘🏾♂️
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Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 02:24:45 PM
When it does I want the mic drop 20 minutes later trade for Mike Evans
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 02:33:48 PM
Somebody told the players something. Might not be finalized, but I’d bet the Kets just got word Rodgers is “IN” and now they finish the details of the trade.
Purely a straight up guess
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2023, 02:34:28 PM
I feel like the Jets need to absolutely freak the Packers when it comes to trading for Rodgers at this point
The Raiders have signed Jimmy G, there's no real, market for Rodgers. And with Lamar potentially being a pipe dream for other teams I think the Packers gotta be in desperation mode.
I don't think the Jets end up giving them a 5th or something stupid (anymore). But at this point it should be here's a second rounder now freak off
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 02:38:06 PM
From a negotiation standpoint
I feel like the Jets need to absolutely freak the Packers when it comes to trading for Rodgers at this point
The Raiders have signed Jimmy G, there's no real, market for Rodgers. And with Lamar potentially being a pipe dream for other teams I think the Packers gotta be in desperation mode.
I don't think the Jets end up giving them a 5th or something stupid (anymore). But at this point it should be here's a second rounder now freak off
It’s was always that mentality.
For me I’ve expected it to be a 3rd this year and conditional next year for a while. Heavy conditions for it to be more than a 3 next year.
Post by: insanity on March 13, 2023, 02:39:56 PM
I agree with dcm. I wonder if this is taking a while is rodgers working with us to get the trade value down.
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2023, 02:39:57 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 02:42:24 PM
The theatrics of schefter right now is ridiculous
I agree with dcm. I wonder if this is taking a while is rodgers working with us to get the trade value down.
I really think Rodgers told the jets (and maybe some players) he’s coming.
Given the reports we had a framework deal in place, I imagine Douglas and GB are now on the phone hammering final details of the trade.
It’s happening. It just might be 45 mins to an hour before it’s announced and official
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 02:44:45 PM
I find it hard to believe that all our players would be taking a victory lap if they didn't have it on good authority this was happening.
Or they, like everyone else, used the Wingo tweet as confirmation
Or else we’re saying that Garrett Wilson and Wingo had the same source and found out at the same time
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 02:46:17 PM
Or they, like everyone else, used the Wingo tweet as confirmation
Or else we’re saying that Garrett Wilson and Wingo had the same source and found out at the same time
I assumed Rodgers told Sauce/Garrett he’s coming, and they sent it around the team. That’s what I assumed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 02:47:09 PM
I assumed Rodgers told Sauce/Garrett he’s coming, and they sent it around the team. That’s what I assumed
I doubt hes kept his mouth shut this entire time to tell guys he doesn’t even know ahead of it being official
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 02:47:16 PM
@MicahhParsons11
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35m
@iamSauceGardner
damm how you get Whatchu want?!!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 02:51:37 PM
Or they, like everyone else, used the Wingo tweet as confirmation
Or else we’re saying that Garrett Wilson and Wingo had the same source and found out at the same time
This or that they saw Wingo's tweet and then were able to confirm internally that this was actually happening.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 02:51:43 PM
I doubt hes kept his mouth shut this entire time to tell guys he doesn’t even know ahead of it being official
I’m assuming Sauce has been talking to him for weeks based on his twitch and YouTube stuff. And I’m sure he told the Jets/packers first. Reasons for jets players tweeting:
1. Jets FO/coaches told them
2. Rodgers told them he’s in
3. All these guys are accepting Trey Wingos tweet as gospel, despite the fact he hasn’t been a “big” nfl reporter for most of their careers.
I’d wager 1 or 2 are more likely. But that’s just me
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 02:57:52 PM
"Maybe Woody said something like “we want you to join the Jets family” and Rodgers really took it to heart and will never talk to the Jets ever again"
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 03:08:15 PM
Post by: insanity on March 13, 2023, 03:09:54 PM
Or they, like everyone else, used the Wingo tweet as confirmationOccam's razor
Or else we’re saying that Garrett Wilson and Wingo had the same source and found out at the same time
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 03:11:49 PM
There hasn’t been any news since.
Idk I feel like we’re over analyzing here
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 03:13:00 PM
The Wingo tweet was at 2:52. GDub tweet was at 2:59 and all the other players started to follow suit.I assume it's just everyone celebrating the Wingo tweet.
There hasn’t been any news since.
Idk I feel like we’re over analyzing here
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2023, 04:49:48 PM
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Brian Bassett
Word is the Jets are seeking a goat yoga instructor to offer classes during OTAs.
Finally something concrete that were getting Rodgers
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 04:52:09 PM
The Wingo tweet was at 2:52. GDub tweet was at 2:59 and all the other players started to follow suit.Was just reminded of how susceptible these guys are to the media (thinking of the fallout from the second NE game).
There hasn’t been any news since.
Idk I feel like we’re over analyzing here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 05:10:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 05:20:28 PM
Why hasn’t Jeff Smith broken this trade yetHe followed White Mike to Miami
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2023, 05:29:09 PM
Was just reminded of how susceptible these guys are to the media (thinking of the fallout from the second NE game).
Maybe they'd just all heard about the team extending Zeuerlein and really appreciate the value of a good kicker.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2023, 06:06:49 PM
Maybe they'd just all heard about the team extending Zeuerlein and really appreciate the value of a good kicker.
I feel that
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Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 06:47:03 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2023, 06:55:05 PM
At what point do the shenanigans end? This has gone on long enough. Just announce the damn thing that we all know is happening and put us out of our misery already!
At this point there's no real alternatives
So it ends when he's traded or the Packers announce him the starter
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 07:31:50 PM
I wouldn't really worry too much about a Rodgers backup plan. They will have to get creative if he doesn't come.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 13, 2023, 07:43:39 PM
@GarrettWilson_V
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25m
I ain’t gon fake it, I thought “Dov” bro tweet was the news break I was waiting for… smh. Idk anything. Sorry ab that.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2023, 07:45:06 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2023, 07:48:40 PM
Well, you just hope that they know how much cap space Rodgers would cost, so they can sign other guys around it.
I wouldn't really worry too much about a Rodgers backup plan. They will have to get creative if he doesn't come.
Presumably there will be a different approach to offense if Rodgers is here
I'd assume with Rodgers we will be more aggressive and pass happy
Without Rodgers we will probably get a excrement QB and abandon the pass before the season even starts
Meaning I don't think you sign the same guys with and without Rodgers.
Of course at this point our offense needs are basically upgrade the OL, so maybe everything I just said was meaningless
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 08:37:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 09:23:22 PM
Leroyyyyy Jenkinnnnssssss
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 09:24:04 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 09:40:51 PM
Let’s just make the other moves we need to make in order to be competitive and plug Rodgers in when he finally gets off his derriere and decides he’s done listening to the media fawn over him not making a decision, and is ready to hear them fawn over the decision he had made.
Stay sane fellas. The waiting can’t last too much longer, can it?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2023, 09:46:00 PM
Fun fact: I got blocked by Benjamin Allbright for saying that dog was a more reliable reporter than him
Just purchased a Tostito’s loadout from the nearest buy station
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 09:57:29 PM
He speaks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2023, 10:01:41 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2023, 11:12:56 PM
At what point do the shenanigans end?
August
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 06:49:26 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 07:42:43 AM
@AdamSchefter
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Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 10:02:41 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2023, 10:03:39 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.
Yes, that's who we're trying to reunite.
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Yes, that's who we're trying to reunite.
Schefty will never recover from dropping the soap in the shower with wingo.
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I can't believe I'm considering watching the Pat McAfee show today.
thank you for your service
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 10:43:12 AM
I'll be watching today . Rodgers usually don't come on till hour 2
Grabbing lunch with my pizza then laying in bed . Back is out
Badger got my injury update from the hospital but I forgot I only told a few people lol
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 10:45:26 AM
Im actually a fan of mcafee . Lol
I'll be watching today . Rodgers usually don't come on till hour 2
Grabbing lunch with my pizza then laying in bed . Back is out
Badger got my injury update from the hospital but I forgot I only told a few people lol
did you throw your back out dry-humping wingoz's tweet yesterday?
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
Multiple bulging discs and moderare spinal stenosis
Borderline surgery candidate but they wanna do steroid injections and PT first
Not my first rodeo. First it was mid back where my nerve damage radiated into my ribs
This time 12 yrs later it's lower back and radiating into my hips
Cept natural rehab and recover at 24 > 36 lol
Had to spend a week in the hospital but then they were just doping me up. I slept better on weed and Tylenol pm then i did IV cocktails of morphine and a few other things and the occasional oxy .
I told em just get me the surgeon referral and some muscle relaxers and nerve blocks. They'll do more than just eating pain pills . Lol
Either way Rodgers will be here . And that's all that matters
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 11:03:17 AM
I got old injuries . Between football when I was younger and a brutal car accident I've been a before and after rehab photo about 3 or 4 times ranging from 365 to 265 lol
Multiple bulging discs and moderare spinal stenosis
Borderline surgery candidate but they wanna do steroid injections and PT first
Not my first rodeo. First it was mid back where my nerve damage radiated into my ribs
This time 12 yrs later it's lower back and radiating into my hips
Cept natural rehab and recover at 24 > 36 lol
Had to spend a week in the hospital but then they were just doping me up. I slept better on weed and Tylenol pm then i did IV cocktails of morphine and a few other things and the occasional oxy .
I told em just get me the surgeon referral and some muscle relaxers and nerve blocks. They'll do more than just eating pain pills . Lol
Either way Rodgers will be here . And that's all that matters
could be worse...could be eating cheese dust through a straw.
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
I can't believe I'm considering watching the Pat McAfee show today.I'm out
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1635673680398151681?t=5ddnvFnjg6n7GtVTKWT5Dw&s=19
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2023, 11:24:46 AM
I'm out
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1635673680398151681?t=5ddnvFnjg6n7GtVTKWT5Dw&s=19
I just keep reminding myself, it has to end soon. There isn’t anything else QB wise we are missing out on right now. But Jesus A-Rod make up your damn mind
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2023, 11:27:56 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 14, 2023, 11:28:58 AM
I got old injuries . Between football when I was younger and a brutal car accident I've been a before and after rehab photo about 3 or 4 times ranging from 365 to 265 lol
Multiple bulging discs and moderare spinal stenosis
Borderline surgery candidate but they wanna do steroid injections and PT first
Not my first rodeo. First it was mid back where my nerve damage radiated into my ribs
This time 12 yrs later it's lower back and radiating into my hips
Cept natural rehab and recover at 24 > 36 lol
Had to spend a week in the hospital but then they were just doping me up. I slept better on weed and Tylenol pm then i did IV cocktails of morphine and a few other things and the occasional oxy .
I told em just get me the surgeon referral and some muscle relaxers and nerve blocks. They'll do more than just eating pain pills . Lol
Either way Rodgers will be here . And that's all that matters
Damn dude. Best wishes going forward.
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 12:11:50 PM
Damn dude. Best wishes going forward.I've done it before . But yeah just can't push myself already had a setback letting myself think i was more capable than I currently am .
Mostly just need to get on a serious diet because I'm going from 3 ti 5 day ls a week in the gym to 0 lol
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 14, 2023, 01:16:44 PM
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Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
I find this irritating on every level.
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 01:17:14 PM
I find this irritating on every level.I find it half irritating since I would also like us to get Lazard and Beckham.
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 01:24:41 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2023, 01:25:32 PM
Post by: delavan on March 14, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
Post by: Gorilla on March 14, 2023, 01:32:31 PM
Anything else we can do for you your Magesty?
Entire Garbage Pail Kids series 1, MINT.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 01:34:44 PM
Entire Garbage Pail Kids series 1, MINT.
this would get us Mahomes
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2023, 01:56:01 PM
I got old injuries . Between football when I was younger and a brutal car accident I've been a before and after rehab photo about 3 or 4 times ranging from 365 to 265 lol
Multiple bulging discs and moderare spinal stenosis
Borderline surgery candidate but they wanna do steroid injections and PT first
Not my first rodeo. First it was mid back where my nerve damage radiated into my ribs
This time 12 yrs later it's lower back and radiating into my hips
Cept natural rehab and recover at 24 > 36 lol
Had to spend a week in the hospital but then they were just doping me up. I slept better on weed and Tylenol pm then i did IV cocktails of morphine and a few other things and the occasional oxy .
I told em just get me the surgeon referral and some muscle relaxers and nerve blocks. They'll do more than just eating pain pills . Lol
Either way Rodgers will be here . And that's all that matters
This boards going to need its own infirmary
Geeze that sounds shitty
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2023, 02:04:13 PM
Aaron "Machiavelli" Rodgers
Phae 1:
Force the Jets to cripple their salary cap by going after a bunch of WRs and TEs.
Phase 2: Force a trade to the Patriots
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2023, 02:14:16 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2023, 02:15:34 PM
I trust Joe Douglas to see us through this storm. I just hope that Woody is finally wise enough to keep himself out of negotations.
He's already inserted himself in heavily. Why stop now?
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 02:17:33 PM
He's already inserted himself in heavily. Why stop now?That's what she said?
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 14, 2023, 02:17:48 PM
He's already inserted himself in heavily. Why stop now?
Yeah, as is blatantly obvious from this offseason, Woody is never going to be the one to step back and let his people do their jobs.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2023, 02:25:13 PM
I find this irritating on every level.
Why Marcedes Lewis instead of a guy who could be useful like Adam Theilen?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2023, 02:26:40 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 02:28:25 PM
Why Marcedes Lewis instead of a guy who could be useful like Adam Theilen?
Adam Thielen isn't needed when you have Randall Cobb
Post by: mj2sexay on March 14, 2023, 02:50:01 PM
The free agents they're "missing out on" are either at positions that aren't of need, or are out of the teams available price range.
They have no other alternative, unless you consider "fine we'll trade for Matthew Stafford' to be any sort of viable leverage.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 02:51:31 PM
I know the media is making a big thing out of the delay, but I don't give a excrement.
The free agents they're "missing out on" are either at positions that aren't of need, or are out of the teams available price range.
They have no other alternative, unless you consider "fine we'll trade for Matthew Stafford' to be any sort of viable leverage.
Yeah, we missed on a center that we apparently offered more money to. That's the only real "miss" so far and it sounds like we didn't really have a chance there because he wanted to stay in SF.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2023, 02:52:04 PM
Yeah, we missed on a center that we apparently offered more money to. That's the only real "miss" so far and it sounds like we didn't really have a chance there because he wanted to stay in SF.
Likewise Pocic if Reddit guy is to be believed, and I think he is.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 03:29:31 PM
Likewise Pocic if Reddit guy is to be believed, and I think he is.
Hard to call either a miss when they stayed with their previous club.
Graham Glasgow is a name that Rich Cimini mentioned. He played for Hackett in Denver last season.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 14, 2023, 03:45:54 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 14, 2023, 03:51:33 PM
How funny would it be (in a sick and twisted way) Rodgers tells us to sign Lazard and whoever else, only to retire after all
There is a thin line between tragedy and comedy.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2023, 03:57:10 PM
How funny would it be (in a sick and twisted way) Rodgers tells us to sign Lazard and whoever else, only to retire after all
I imagine that the players signing with us in part to play with Rodgers would be quite annoyed with him.
Post by: insanity on March 14, 2023, 04:06:32 PM
I'd like to think this is rodgers helping us get him from gb for a good price.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 04:10:33 PM
Schefter saying the deal could take to the end of the week.
I'd like to think this is rodgers helping us get him from gb for a good price.
March 17th has to be the deadline
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 04:39:43 PM
Well
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 04:41:58 PM
https://twitter.com/patmcafeeshow/status/1635756547656523777?s=42&t=0V--FPsn-y6xnxcUY_iF1gYou speedy bitch
Well
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 05:47:11 PM
https://twitter.com/patmcafeeshow/status/1635756547656523777?s=42&t=0V--FPsn-y6xnxcUY_iF1gHis final f you to the media .
Well
Hes gonna announce it himself rofl
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2023, 05:47:11 PM
Dudes going to get torched for this
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 05:51:15 PM
Didn't he learn anything from LeBron?Hes Teflon.
Dudes going to get torched for this
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 05:51:27 PM
Didn't he learn anything from LeBron?I was growing impatient but it's done
Dudes going to get torched for this
Hes trying to squeeze the Packers on his way out .
I'm happy he's a jet. We're waiting on formalities
Hed get torched for retiring
But its jets or retirement
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 05:52:42 PM
He has 0 reason to trust the jets. The jets would've got lazard in a vacuum via Paul Hackett imo
But its a good faith portion as well. He's got his binky. Call the other guys and if it makes sense like Lazard market value is
Makes sense
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
Didn't he learn anything from LeBron?
Dudes going to get torched for this
I'm sure that ruined the multiple championships LeBron won with his new team
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2023, 06:14:09 PM
Didn't he learn anything from LeBron?This...isn't the same thing.
Dudes going to get torched for this
Post by: Cane on March 14, 2023, 06:15:46 PM
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Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 06:37:01 PM
If he goes on the show tomorrow and doesn’t announce anything, I swear, I’m going to be SO MAD on the internet.He's going to announce a new partnership with Black Rifle Coffee.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
When are we dropping acidHow about Dunkaroos instead
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 06:45:04 PM
How about Dunkaroos insteadToo many carbs.
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2023, 06:46:11 PM
I've had enough, send in the Clemons.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2023, 06:48:04 PM
If he goes on the show tomorrow and doesn’t announce anything, I swear, I’m going to be SO MAD on the internet.
There will be mass internet based suicide of Jets fans tomorrow if Rodgers doesn’t say excrement and just talks about his charity event and how he feels closed to making his decision
Post by: Cane on March 14, 2023, 06:52:53 PM
There will be mass internet based suicide of Jets fans tomorrow if Rodgers doesn’t say excrement and just talks about his charity event and how he feels closed to making his decisionAaron: “Hey everyone, I just wanted to come on Pat’s show and announce that I’m donating $50 million to charities around the United States in order to help educate the underserved young people of our nation.”
Jet fans: “Oh you mother FUCKER.”
Post by: guinness77 on March 14, 2023, 06:55:42 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2023, 07:09:37 PM
Aaron: “Hey everyone, I just wanted to come on Pat’s show and announce that I’m donating $50 million to charities around the United States in order to help educate the underserved young people of our nation.”
Jet fans: “Oh you mother FUCKER.”
That would be downright amazing
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2023, 07:52:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 08:01:57 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2023, 08:13:37 PM
This doesn’t feel real
A fuckin fever dream
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 08:13:40 PM
He's going to announce a new partnership with Black Rifle Coffee.
lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 08:24:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2023, 08:28:13 PM
Jets fans aren’t ready to be relevant this quickly. The takes you are going to see this year are going to break your brain.
Some of the excrement i've seen already has tested my sanity.
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 09:10:00 PM
Some of the excrement i've seen already has tested my sanity.Aye aye
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2023, 09:37:51 PM
This...isn't the same thing.
You don't think him going on the show is going to coincide with him announcing his decision?
He's making a spectacle of it
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2023, 09:40:22 PM
You don't think him going on the show is going to coincide with him announcing his decision?
He's making a spectacle of it
LeBron was choosing to leave his hometown team in the prime of his career. No one in Green Bay is going to be burning his jersey if he announces that he's taking his talents to East Rutherford on the PMS.
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 09:42:23 PM
You don't think him going on the show is going to coincide with him announcing his decision?There's jets and retirement this isn't the same as goading and playing with numerous teams fan bases lol
He's making a spectacle of it
Guy basically said freak Schefrer and Rap they don't report his life his decisions are his
Is it eccentric or ego ? Yeah . But he literally trolled GB and the media .
We will hear more behind tbe scenes and timeliness for stuff when the trades actually done
I know he's coming here so now we just want to see those alerts
Itll he tomorrow
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 10:07:35 PM
Rodgers making sure we actually secure someone he wants lol
Can't blame him he don't have a reason to trust or place faith in Woody or JD lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 10:08:09 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2023, 10:19:14 PM
Only a Jets fan would be annoyed that Aaron freaking Rodgers wants to announce that he wants to play football for their teamHahaha agreed
Poking holes because we can guarantee we will draft tbe future qb with a top 3 pick
Oh wait we tried that
Yeah jets fans will invent problems that don't exist yet while the best qb to ever play here since Namath will be here soon
People are kicking and screaming like we paid Marcedes Lewis 20 mil per yr lol
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2023, 10:32:01 PM
Obviously, Corey Davis hasn't been cut.
Could it be that one of those two guys - or any of the three or four other guys we've identified as potential trade items - know that they're being included in a package and have been allowed to work out a deal with the Pack as a condition of the trade?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2023, 10:37:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 10:42:27 PM
Why would they want him though? No point if you don’t have Dortch
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2023, 10:42:58 PM
TLDR is the Packers essentially don't have to trade Rodgers until September ish
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 11:07:26 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/14/packers-may-be-content-to-wait-until-the-draft-to-trade-aaron-rodgers/
TLDR is the Packers essentially don't have to trade Rodgers until September ish
*Too Long, I Didn’t Even Read The Headline Of The Article
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2023, 11:19:18 PM
*Too Long, I Didn’t Even Read The Headline Of The Article
The title says they may be content waiting until the draft
The article says they don't have any financial problems keeping him on the roster until week 1
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2023, 05:11:54 AM
The title says they may be content waiting until the draft
The article says they don't have any financial problems keeping him on the roster until week 1
This is more of that bullshit from the packers side looking for a sweetener. JD shouldn’t cave. The packers want Rodgers out of dodge to just end the drama if nothing else.
I believe Wingo. Deal is done. Just waiting on absurd contract shenangians at this point.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 05:36:21 AM
I'm just spit-balling here, but according to spotrac Braxton Berrios is still on our books. That might just be an error on their end but they're usually pretty up to date.I think their site isn't up to date, I was on it yesterday and it was still listing players who are FA this off-season on our roster for 2023.
Obviously, Corey Davis hasn't been cut.
Could it be that one of those two guys - or any of the three or four other guys we've identified as potential trade items - know that they're being included in a package and have been allowed to work out a deal with the Pack as a condition of the trade?
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 06:49:18 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 07:08:20 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 15, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 07:19:50 AM
Is this the day?
I can feel a tingle in my plums
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 15, 2023, 07:32:38 AM
I can feel a tingle in my plums
See a doctor, that could be cancerous.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 07:46:14 AM
See a doctor, that could be cancerous.
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Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 07:52:46 AM
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
https://twitter.com/TripleBoogie/status/1635987615374622721?t=G3hsZEVthdHhHY05Tgw04A&s=19
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 08:30:20 AM
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1635988673630986240?t=HC4ROU7Agdho2y1cB7g9ww&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 08:30:48 AM
This random Jets fan has a point.
https://twitter.com/TripleBoogie/status/1635987615374622721?t=G3hsZEVthdHhHY05Tgw04A&s=19
the media shits on us no matter what we do...it's been this way for as long as i've been a jets fan.
We need to start winning to shut these dumbshit narratives up.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 08:31:58 AM
Schefter is lawst
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1635988673630986240?t=HC4ROU7Agdho2y1cB7g9ww&s=19
watching Schefter/Rappaport fail on this has been the best part
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
Schefter is lawst
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1635988673630986240?t=HC4ROU7Agdho2y1cB7g9ww&s=19
Because I 100% would pull out and let the Packers stew if this was the case
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AARON RODGERS
QB, GREEN BAY PACKERS
Aaron Rodgers
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Packers could be requesting "multiple" first round draft picks from the Jets in exchange for Aaron Rodgers.
The Packers, per Schefter, believe Rodgers should fetch a similar deal that the Lions got when they traded Matthew Stafford to the Rams in 2021 (Detroit received Jared Goff and two first rounders). It would indeed be a steep price for a 39-year-old quarterback who regularly talks about retirement and has tormented the Packers and their fans for years with indecision on whether to continue his fading career. "The Jets have to figure out what they're willing to pay," Schefter said, adding he "wouldn't be surprised" if Rodgers announces his trade to the Jets this afternoon on his friend's internet talk show.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 09:04:43 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 15, 2023, 09:13:28 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 09:29:16 AM
Remember when it was reported both teams agreed on compensation?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 09:35:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 09:36:30 AM
Schefter and Rap have no idea
say it louder for the people in the back
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 09:38:56 AM
Because I 100% would pull out and let the Packers stew if this was the case
Leger Douzable
@LegerDouzable
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37m
I know the fleece king Joe D isn't going for that.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 09:39:15 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
Leger Douzable
@LegerDouzable
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37m
I know the fleece king Joe D isn't going for that.
Not that a player who probably never met JD doesn't know best
But if Woody is driving this ship, then JD don't matter
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Not that a player who probably never met JD doesn't know best
But if Woody is driving this ship, then JD don't matter
No one knows excrement. It's speculation and echo chamber. We probably (hopefully) find out at 1pm EST.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 09:45:57 AM
No one knows excrement. It's speculation and echo chamber. We probably (hopefully) find out at 1pm EST.
If Rodgers announces he wants to go the Jets at 1
I'd wager there's a 99% chance the deal isn't done or locked in at that point
The only thing we might find out at 1 is if Rodgers is willing to play here
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 09:49:25 AM
Derek Carr should be giving his agent a massive bonus for steering him away from this excrement show
STFU
You became a Jets fan because of Rex Ryan.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 09:53:12 AM
STFU
You became a Jets fan because of Rex Ryan.
I became a die hard because of Rex Ryan
Was a fan long before that
Aaron Glenn was my favorite player growing up
Regardless there's no way you could say Carr waiting on the Jets would have been a good move for him
Being that this situation could drag on for a long freaking time
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 09:55:09 AM
Being that this situation could drag on for a long freaking time
Until September, right?
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 09:56:40 AM
I became a die hard because of Rex Ryan
Was a fan long before that
Aaron Glenn was my favorite player growing up
Regardless there's no way you could say Carr waiting on the Jets would have been a good move for him
Being that this situation could drag on for a long freaking time
It's not dragging out...stop drinking media koolaid.
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 09:57:32 AM
If Rodgers announces he wants to go the Jets at 1
I'd wager there's a 99% chance the deal isn't done or locked in at that point
The only thing we might find out at 1 is if Rodgers is willing to play here
Again, no one knows excrement and that includes muppets on a message board.
I bet dollars to donuts the deal is in place and AROD asked to announce it on his terms. Both teams abide and that's what will happen at 1pm.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 09:58:53 AM
Until September, right?When's the trade deadline? Late October?
We'll get him right on time for our playoff push.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2023, 09:59:43 AM
If Rodgers announces he wants to go the Jets at 1
I'd wager there's a 99% chance the deal isn't done or locked in at that point
The only thing we might find out at 1 is if Rodgers is willing to play here
If Rodgers tells the world he wants to be a Jet, but there isn’t a deal finalized yet, leverage swings a thousand fold in Douglas favor at the negotiation table.
End of the day, I think it’s all done, it’s all showmanship and Rodgers tells the story on Macafee’s show, and by 2 pm it’s a done and finalized deal.
That’s what I expect anyways. I’ll be at work then, so you all have a good time…
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 10:00:05 AM
Same thing happened with Carr and New Orleans before they cut him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2023, 10:05:21 AM
If Rodgers tells the world he wants to be a Jet, but there isn’t a deal finalized yet, leverage swings a thousand fold in Douglas favor at the negotiation table.
End of the day, I think it’s all done, it’s all showmanship and Rodgers tells the story on Macafee’s show, and by 2 pm it’s a done and finalized deal.
That’s what I expect anyways. I’ll be at work then, so you all have a good time…
2pm eh?
I disagree on the leverage part. Once Rodgers announces, the pressure is on the Jets to get the deal done and get our team into place around the QB. This fanbase and the media are on the verge of poking their eyes out with sharp sticks the longer this goes on. The Jets have Zero (0) backup plan at QB. What does GB have to lose by dragging their feet to get a better deal?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 10:05:44 AM
They wouldn't let him talk to us if there wasn't a trade in place.
Same thing happened with Carr and New Orleans before they cut him.
They need to get him off the roster and he has the power to veto any trade
Them letting him talk to us was basically essential
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 10:31:29 AM
End of the day, I think it’s all done, it’s all showmanship and Rodgers tells the story on Macafee’s show, and by 2 pm it’s a done and finalized deal.
You already lost your timeline prediction rights after your last abject failure.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2023, 10:59:04 AM
You already lost your timeline prediction rights after your last abject failure.
As most of Twitter and Incarcerated Bob people will tell you, keep throwing excrement against the wall and eventually something will stick and be right.
I’ve only been wrong a dozen times so far. Why not keep guessing?
Post by: delavan on March 15, 2023, 10:59:46 AM
Matt Stafford is 5 years younger.…the Packers aren't getting multiple firsts.
In the Farve trade the Jets would owe GB three 1st round picks but that was a ‘poison bill’ clause to ensure the Jets wouldn’t in turn trade Farve to the Vikings. As the trade originally spelled out:
- the Packers received a 4th round draft pick.
- which turned into a 3rd round pick if he played in 50% of the plays that season
- which turned into a 2nd round pick if he played in 70% of the plays AND the Jets qualified for the playoffs
- which turned into a 1st round pick if he played in 80% of the plays AND the Jets make it to the Super Bowl.
Green Bay wants a first rounder? GFY GB x10.
Rogers is 39 years old. Protection is priority #1 for 39 year old QBs.
AVT’s returning, great…the rest of the OL is one big question mark at best.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 11:01:55 AM
In the Farve trade the Jets would owe GB three 1st round picks but that was a ‘poison bill’ clause to ensure the Jets wouldn’t in turn trade Farve to the Vikings. As the trade originally spelled out:
- the Packers received a 4th round draft pick.
- which turned into a 3rd round pick if he played in 50% of the plays that season
- which turned into a 2nd round pick if he played in 70% of the plays AND the Jets qualified for the playoffs
- which turned into a 1st round pick if he played in 80% of the plays AND the Jets make it to the Super Bowl.
Green Bay wants a first rounder? GFY GB x10.
Rogers is 39 years old. Protection is priority #1 for 39 year old QBs.
AVT’s returning, great…the rest of the OL is one big question mark at best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNqqs4h4M7c
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 11:04:55 AM
As most of Twitter and Incarcerated Bob people will tell you, keep throwing excrement against the wall and eventually something will stick and be right.
I’ve only been wrong a dozen times so far. Why not keep guessing?
That's fair. When you do eventually get it right make sure to strut around for the next few months reminding people that you were spot on about the timescale to sign Rodgers.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 11:06:20 AM
That's fair. When you do eventually get it right make sure to strut around for the next few months reminding people that you were spot on about the timescale to sign Rodgers.
that's my move, poopchute.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 11:16:45 AM
I’ll give GB a 1st for a Super Bowl. excrement you can start the draft for us in the 2nd round for the next ten years in exchange for that.
this is the way
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 11:21:25 AM
I’ll give GB a 1st for a Super Bowl. excrement you can start the draft for us in the 2nd round for the next ten years in exchange for that.
Amen, brother. The only caveat is that our Super Bowl gets a bit easier to win if we have this year's first. Let's give them a second every year that Rodgers is on the roster that escalates to a first if we won the Super Bowl the previous year.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2023, 11:24:39 AM
Amen, brother. The only caveat is that our Super Bowl gets a bit easier to win if we have this year's first. Let's give them a second every year that Rodgers is on the roster that escalates to a first if we won the Super Bowl the previous year.
I think he’s implying a conditional first round pick next year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
I think we'll get more cryptic hints from Rodgers, but I'm not expecting anything earthshattering.
This seems like something the teams would announce.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 11:29:07 AM
I don't think Rodgers is going to go on to McAfee and announce his own trade. He's not a free agent.I better not be suffering through this for nothing.
I think we'll get more cryptic hints from Rodgers, but I'm not expecting anything earthshattering.
This seems like something the teams would announce.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 11:31:10 AM
I better not be suffering through this for nothing.Aaron:
"Yeah, I've been traded to the New York Jets for a 2023 4th-round pick and a 2024 2nd-round pick that can turn into a 1st if the Jets make the Super Bowl. I'm bringing along Allen Lazard, Randall Cobb and John Kuhn with me."
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1636045090924773397
GB not seeking multiple 1sts
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 11:48:32 AM
Aaron:
"Yeah, I've been traded to the New York Jets for a 2023 4th-round pick and a 2024 2nd-round pick that can turn into a 1st if the Jets make the Super Bowl. I'm bringing along Allen Lazard, Randall Cobb and John Kuhn with me."
Exactly this makes no sense
Plus you'd have to assume way too freaking many people would be able to keep this under wraps
Best case scenario is Rodgers says he desires playing for the Jets or something effectively close to that
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 15, 2023, 11:53:03 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 15, 2023, 11:56:38 AM
Everyone acting like this is taking forever needs to relax, instant gratification is what everyone demands nowadays. I think this is all hilarious, the pomp and circumstance. He’s a freaking top-5 QB and all these people acting like they ALL aren’t divas? Lol
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 12:00:05 PM
Unless I’m missing something, didn’t free agency officially begin today? I know he’s not a FA, but whatever.
Everyone acting like this is taking forever needs to relax, instant gratification is what everyone demands nowadays. I think this is all hilarious, the pomp and circumstance. He’s a freaking top-5 QB and all these people acting like they ALL aren’t divas? Lol
Free agency starts at 4pm EST today. Everyone is frustrated because it's been dragging and "legal tampering" started on Monday. While nothing is official until 4pm, it essentially started Monday.
Post by: guinness77 on March 15, 2023, 12:04:17 PM
Free agency starts at 4pm EST today. Everyone is frustrated because it's been dragging and "legal tampering" started on Monday. While nothing is official until 4pm, it essentially started Monday.Either he's alive, or he's dead, or the cops got him, or they don't
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 12:18:41 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ccDp4NP/image.png)
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
hes still talking about the packers and how they changed tho, so who knows. sounds like he has decided to move on from the packers at the very least
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:21:07 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 15, 2023, 12:21:32 PM
he said theres no announcement today, the decision was made and communicated yesterday to the involved parties.
hes still talking about the packers and how they changed tho, so who knows. sounds like he has decided to move on from the packers at the very least
Pretty sure the lead-in was confirming without confirming that a trade was agreed on, especially with him saying that he 90% was retiring when he went into the darkness retreat. (Also as I'm posting this he said that he decided he wanted to play)
Post by: Jumbo on March 15, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
LFG
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:22:02 PM
thank freaking god
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:23:02 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 12:23:03 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:25:14 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 12:25:22 PM
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:25:58 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 12:26:49 PM
(sorry, I'm finding this hilarious that there is a live watch stream to watch another stream)
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:26:56 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:27:08 PM
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 12:27:28 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 15, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/r0fgJzC/image.png)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230315/6b298de05450c74f619cac09c546136a.jpg)
Edit: f u steve
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:28:00 PM
Hopefully Rodgers saying he was 90% retired is his way of tanking draft compensation
Honestly, he's probably just mad/spiteful now and wants to prove Green Bay wrong
Now he's gotta do it
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 12:29:32 PM
Edit: f u steve
I deserve this.
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:29:49 PM
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 12:30:10 PM
Honestly, he's probably just mad/spiteful now and wants to prove Green Bay wrong
Now he's gotta do it
As much as I find Rodgers annoying, I firmly believe he can and will prove it.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 12:30:33 PM
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 12:31:44 PM
Again, no one knows excrement and that includes muppets on a message board.
I bet dollars to donuts the deal is in place and AROD asked to announce it on his terms. Both teams abide and that's what will happen at 1pm.
I know I wasn't the only one that believed this is how it would play out but I do feel redeemed.
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:32:08 PM
@MySportsUpdate
The #Jets are one of four teams who can be forced to do Hard Knocks if no other team volunteers. The Bears, Saints and Commanders are the other three.
With Aaron Rodgers expected to come to town, feels safe to assume they are the leaders in the clubhouse.
yes freaking please
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:34:03 PM
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:34:04 PM
ya he freaking hates the current packer FO
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:34:23 PM
Honestly, he's probably just mad/spiteful now and wants to prove Green Bay wrongPersonally, spite is my favorite motivator.
Now he's gotta do it
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 12:34:35 PM
But they got it done. They nailed it. This was the clear move to make since November if Rodgers was gonna come free, and they got it done.
Hell yeah.
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:34:51 PM
lol...where did IATA come from?
(https://media.tenor.com/QIClNJ78hOgAAAAC/woody-hey-there.gif)
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:34:57 PM
Personally, spite is my favorite motivator.
it makes victory taste even better
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:35:16 PM
On a side note the Patriots now clearly have the worst team and worst QB in the AFC eastNow that's a fun fact.
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:35:45 PM
he hates the media. thats my qb.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2023, 12:36:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 12:36:46 PM
“lose my number, nice try”
hahahahaha
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:37:32 PM
lmao he told schefter and diana to lose his number
he hates the media. thats my qb.
Dianna sent him nudes too
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 12:37:46 PM
Now that's a fun fact.
I should probably clarify worst starting QB
We haven't traded Zach
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:38:36 PM
I should probably clarify worst starting QB
We haven't traded Zach
Zach is the future of NY.
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2023, 12:38:39 PM
Dianna sent him nudes too
were lucky he didnt go back into the darkness
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 12:39:09 PM
lmao he told schefter and diana to lose his number
he hates the media. thats my qb.
Let's just hope he doesn't have Jenn Stergers number
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:40:03 PM
@antwanstaley
·
46s
Aaron Rodgers on Odell Beckham Jr.: "Who wouldn't want Odell on their team? I don't have demands, my only demand is for transparency."
Gutekunst should probably go on a permanent darkness retreat.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2023, 12:41:33 PM
Kudos to everyone. Moving on from the OC to hire Hackett was a risk. Putting all your chips in the Rodgers basket was a risk.
But they got it done. They nailed it. This was the clear move to make since November if Rodgers was gonna come free, and they got it done.
Hell yeah.
It’s a little bittersweet because everyone here knows that MLF would have Cooked with Arod here. Tough to celebrate anything.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:42:22 PM
It’s a little bittersweet because everyone here knows that MLF would have Cooked with Arod here. Tough to celebrate anything.
ARod would've fired MLF himself...
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:43:10 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1636060361471270913?t=mEQk4skSvfzZ9g-OOqU9zg&s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 12:44:14 PM
Hahalmao what a dick
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1636060361471270913?t=mEQk4skSvfzZ9g-OOqU9zg&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:47:55 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:48:18 PM
As much as I find Rodgers annoying, I firmly believe he can and will prove it.
Agreed
Personally, spite is my favorite motivator.
Same
it makes victory taste even better
Exactly
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:49:39 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:51:31 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:52:51 PM
Like run through a wall excited
Been holding my breath the past few days and really wasn't sure this was gonna happen
Super Bowl or bust! LFG
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 12:52:55 PM
Getting Rodgers was one thing...but a motivated, spiteful Rodgers? freak, i have super bowl aspirations now.That was the whole point of getting Rodgers.
No other QB that was available gives you realistic Super Bowl aspirations. If we got a Carr or Jimmy or Tannehill or whoever, we would have a chance if everything broke right, but it would have been unlikely to beat Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts with those guys unless our defense and running game were 2009-10 level.
Now, we are a legit Super Bowl contender. This is the shortest SB odds we've had at any point since 2011. We have a legit shot now.
LFG.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 15, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
Getting Rodgers was one thing...but a motivated, spiteful Rodgers? freak, i have super bowl aspirations now.
Welcome to the light.
Post by: Jumbo on March 15, 2023, 12:53:42 PM
That was the whole point of getting Rodgers.
No other QB that was available gives you realistic Super Bowl aspirations. If we got a Carr or Jimmy or Tannehill or whoever, we would have a chance if everything broke right, but it would have been unlikely to beat Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts with those guys unless our defense and running game were 2009-10 level.
Now, we are a legit Super Bowl contender. This is the shortest SB odds we've had at any point since 2011. We have a legit shot now.
LFG.
We jumped from 18th to 6th in Super Bowl odds. +1500. It's in the realm of possibility for the first time since 2010.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
Welcome to the light.
feels gud man
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:55:11 PM
https://twitter.com/jetswhispers/status/1636063141816614913?t=YsWpgagWaSBrJe_xFzLuog&s=19
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:55:36 PM
Whole board party, y'all. When's the tailgate?!
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:55:50 PM
Postgame press conferences are gonna be popcorn worthyI'm just thinking about going to the games. 2008 had a different feel to it.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 15, 2023, 12:56:25 PM
ARod would've fired MLF himself...
THIS ^
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 12:56:33 PM
12 people and 2 guests currently viewing this threadWaiting for the schedule to drop is going to be agony.
Whole board party, y'all. When's the tailgate?!
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 12:57:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2023, 12:59:53 PM
12 people and 2 guests currently viewing this thread
Whole board party, y'all. When's the tailgate?!
When’s the tailgate
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Post by: ScotlandJet on March 15, 2023, 01:00:55 PM
Been around long eneough to hold off celebrating until it's confirmed.
Wilson, Lazard and Brees Hall. That's a pretty potent offence.
Lets hope we don't sell the farm so we can shore up our lines in the draft.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 01:01:06 PM
When’s the tailgate
Every. freaking. Week.
(Tickets are going to be expensive this year.)
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
Why are you guys tempting the gods like this. If this fails, I blame SFD and Badger.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 01:02:05 PM
Every. freaking. Week.If we jump early and get high up seats it shouldn't be murder on our wallets.
(Tickets are going to be expensive this year.)
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 01:02:56 PM
I was really excited until I saw the 'last time this team was this depressing' thread get closed.SFD will reopen it when Rodgers gets a hangnail in August.
Why are you guys tempting the gods like this. If this fails, I blame SFD and Badger.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 01:55:32 PM
Quote
𝙅𝙀𝙏𝙎 𝙈𝙀𝘿𝙄𝘼🛫
@NYJets_Media
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1h
Hearing the report from @TomPelissero
of the Packers NOT asking for Two 1st Round Picks is HUGE
Not sure where @AdamSchefter
got that information from…
Schefter getting dragged SZN
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 01:57:38 PM
I can't see Rodgers playing more than a couple more years. He was going to retire this year until GB pissed him off
We're going to have to do the whole will he, won't he retirement dance with him next spring. Everyone needs to get comfortable with that.
Hopefully we'll all still be too hungover from our Super Bowl celebrations to care.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2023, 02:00:46 PM
Post by: guinness77 on March 15, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
We're going to have to do the whole will he, won't he retirement dance with him next spring. Everyone needs to get comfortable with that.This.
Hopefully we'll all still be too hungover from our Super Bowl celebrations to care.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 15, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
We're going to have to do the whole will he, won't he retirement dance with him next spring. Everyone needs to get comfortable with that.
Hopefully we'll all still be too hungover from our Super Bowl celebrations to care.
THIS
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 02:18:34 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 15, 2023, 02:19:18 PM
Rodgers being motivated by spite is a great outcome too
This is a big reason why I kept pounding the table for him. He freaking hates Gutekunst and wants to make him look as bad as possible.
This is not that dissimilar from Favre's relationship with Ted Thompson towards the end of his tenure there. Thompson failed to bring in Randy Moss... Gutekunst failed to bring in OBJ...
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2023, 02:25:46 PM
Packers have 0 leverage.
Rodgers is insanely motivated and playing with a massive chip on his shoulder
We're the 2019 Bucs but Rodgers has more in the tank than Peyton or Brady did at their 2nd stops.
This is gonna be exciting . Most optimistic I've been in my life as a Jets fan lol.
Now
STAY HEALTHY
OL FS DT
Fill the voids .
Post by: guinness77 on March 15, 2023, 02:56:48 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1636082645732847617
This Dick is still at it. Never change…
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 03:03:37 PM
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 03:05:09 PM
Leverage is tricky in this scenario, but you have to think this stuff is mostly agreed upon already if Rodgers is publicly saying he's going to the Jets.
Weren't the Packers publicly declaring they're moving on from Rodgers a few days ago? This leverage excrement is just the latest narrative. Nobody. Knows. Anything.
Except maybe Wingo.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
Bids starting at $1000 to sleep on my couch.
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 03:10:33 PM
The best part is I already live 20 minutes from where the Super Bowl is being held.
Bids starting at $1000 to sleep on my couch.
I'll give you $20 and bring pizza.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 03:17:18 PM
Post by: steves850 on March 15, 2023, 03:28:46 PM
If the Packers did dig their heels in, the baller move by Joe would be to trade our first and second round picks for good players and then say "now what, GB? You going to keep him, or are we going to do a deal before I have even less to trade?"
JD: Cuts his own dick off.
GoodyCunts: "WTF?"
JD: "now what are you gonna do, huh?"
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 15, 2023, 03:53:10 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 04:00:29 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 15, 2023, 04:04:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 04:13:47 PM
The longest I could see this dragging out is the draft unless the Packers just say "freak it" about receiving draft compensation this year.
That would be very stupid of them. If they want to justify moving on from Rodgers, they should want to put pieces around Love.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 04:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1636099662812786688
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2023, 04:31:15 PM
From the only person in the media who seems to have any idea what's actually going on:
https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1636099662812786688
99% is in place? So what the freak are they arguing about? If it’s that close it’s not money.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 04:36:14 PM
99% is in place? So what the freak are they arguing about? If it’s that close it’s not money.
Which one has to deal with Elijah Moore's excrement next season.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 04:38:14 PM
We are going to get so much media hate for this. A bunch of nerds are already up in arms because Rodgers "disrespected" Dianna Russini.Sports reporters don't matter
(Present company excluded)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2023, 04:41:28 PM
Rodgers was putting all of the blame on Green Bay today.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2023, 04:56:42 PM
If he's traveling to New York next week without a deal in place, I'd be pretty surprised.
Rodgers was putting all of the blame on Green Bay today.
He definitely kicked the ball into their court “you don’t want me. So let me go”
Anything that helps our leverage.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2023, 05:54:53 PM
Post by: reuben on March 15, 2023, 06:59:53 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2023, 07:23:20 PM
We are going to get so much media hate for this. A bunch of nerds are already up in arms because Rodgers "disrespected" Dianna Russini.Aww 3rd wave feminism has no place in football
That's cute though lol
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2023, 07:24:24 PM
ALL HAIL HYPNOTOADHahaha
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2023, 07:26:04 PM
Rodgers basically burnt the bridge to GB and thanked the fans and community with class.
Then said this should've been done by now hut GB is delaying it
Basically implying even he understands they want more than he's worth at this point in his career lol
GB if they have brains will take whatever is there and move on
Otherwise I'd walk away and let them take a disgruntled legend and be in cap hell
See if the Jets offer doesn't decrease over time lol
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2023, 08:19:12 PM
Aww 3rd wave feminism has no place in football
That's cute though lol
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Post by: delavan on March 15, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
Never thought this was going to get done.
Been around long eneough to hold off celebrating until it's confirmed.
Wilson, Lazard and Brees Hall. That's a pretty potent offence.
Lets hope we don't sell the farm so we can shore up our lines in the draft.
Yup. Gonna need at least 1st and 3rd round plugs to fill some big OL hOLes. Give 'em a 2nd (and Moore if they want a body) and call it a day
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 15, 2023, 08:36:16 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2023, 08:38:59 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/0Q6iKR7AuiAAAAAC/umm-wait.gif)Lolol
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2023, 08:47:10 PM
Fucks them and benefits us
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2023, 08:55:27 PM
Rodgers should threaten to retire if they don't get it done sooner.Yep
Fucks them and benefits us
Post by: Libero_2 on March 16, 2023, 10:10:05 AM
Niceeeee
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2023, 11:24:05 AM
JD apparently trying to get Rodgers for the Farve deal 15 years ago. Conditional pick next year.
Niceeeee
Says who?
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2023, 11:26:38 AM
Says who?uStadium quoting Dov Kleiman quoting my derriere
Post by: delavan on March 16, 2023, 11:44:36 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2023, 11:46:47 AM
Unfortunately iirc it’s actually better for GB to wait until after June 1 if it lasts that long. At that point, a trade would drop the cap charge to $12.98 million this year and push the remaining $24.48 million to 2024.
But is that worth giving up draft capital this year?
Post by: steves850 on March 16, 2023, 11:54:20 AM
uStadium quoting Dov Kleiman quoting my derriere
Why would your derriere say something so controversial yet so brave?
Post by: steves850 on March 16, 2023, 11:55:19 AM
But is that worth giving up draft capital this year?
I'm it depends on the picks being offered. I don't think it'll drag on that far but if Green Bay is trying to force a higher pick, they may be seeing if the Jets will blink first.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 16, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
Unfortunately iirc it’s actually better for GB to wait until after June 1 if it lasts that long. At that point, a trade would drop the cap charge to $12.98 million this year and push the remaining $24.48 million to 2024.
I would think they would rather swallow the cap this year before they potentially have to pay Love.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2023, 12:54:05 PM
I would think they would rather swallow the cap this year before they potentially have to pay Love.
Yeah, a post June 1 trade doesn't save them money, it just changes the way the cap hit lands. I agree it makes more sense to rip the bandaid off this season when there are no expectations, let Love become the starter without pressure, and then build big for him next year.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2023, 01:10:49 PM
I'd hold our ground as long as possible. The Packers have to blink at some point (likely before the draft). If Woody complains, Douglas should express to him as professionally as possible to "STFU and let the adults work".
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2023, 01:25:14 PM
What is the Jets' Rodgers alternative at this point? There isn't really one.
What is the Packers' Rodgers alternative at this point? Rodgers said he wants to be a Jet. They can't just call the Falcons and trade him there. What are they going to do, take the cap hit and sit him all year out of spite? Or take a draft pick(s) and move on?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2023, 01:27:40 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2023, 01:30:02 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 01:32:11 PM
Do they want to loterally force a media frenzy and have a disgruntled legend around wuike their new QB is trying to get his excrement together ?
Maybe they're asking for a 1st next yr and JD refuses any 1s
I can see that being the debate
Again, the sensible and fair is a 2nd this yr . And a conditional future pick . They can debate the conditions but that's what you get for a 39 yr old who was mostly retired 2 weeks ago.
Legend or not
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 01:37:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2023, 01:54:21 PM
This is clearly more about spite than anything else for the Packers at this point. Let them stew until they come to their senses.
This is what I'm thinking at this point
Rodgers being spiteful is an athlete with a grudge/motivation. Green Bay being spiteful is just doing bad business.
The Jets know Rodgers will be a Jet when the season starts. It might bug fans, but it doesn't affect the team doing business. So JD can just let the Packers cry into their Schlitz while he uses a draft pick they could've had if they really want to wait it out.
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 02:00:36 PM
This is what I'm thinking at this pointIf im the gm I want Rodgers not associated with the teak and all capital I can get thus yr to make Loves transition as smooth as possible
Rodgers being spiteful is an athlete with a grudge/motivation. Green Bay being spiteful is just doing bad business.
The Jets know Rodgers will be a Jet when the season starts. It might bug fans, but it doesn't affect the team doing business. So JD can just let the Packers cry into their Schlitz while he uses a draft pick they could've had if they really want to wait it out.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2023, 02:02:17 PM
If im the gm I want Rodgers not associated with the teak and all capital I can get thus yr to make Loves transition as smooth as possibleAnd they're probably thinking the Jets feel the same way about bringing Rodgers into the building as fast as possible.
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
Again, I would leak that we're interested in Jackson as a fallback to Rodgers.Some SOJF part of my brain tells me if we did this Rodgers would take offense and retire.
To be clear this is just an intrusive thought and not a sincerely held belief.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2023, 02:41:31 PM
I don't really see either side having dramatically more leverage.
What is the Jets' Rodgers alternative at this point? There isn't really one.
What is the Packers' Rodgers alternative at this point? Rodgers said he wants to be a Jet. They can't just call the Falcons and trade him there. What are they going to do, take the cap hit and sit him all year out of spite? Or take a draft pick(s) and move on?
Of course we're biased as jets fans
But the Jets reallllly want Rodgers
The Packers absolutely must trade him.
Sounds to me like this is the team with more leverage
If the price is too high for the Jets we can literally go bring in any of the old vets left on the market and pray Zach beats them out.
If the Jets move on, what the freak can the Packers do? Presumably they'd drastically have to lower their asking price, take on more of his cap, and they'd have even less leverage with whoever the freak is interested because teams would now know they're desperate.
I know people want to act like this is the Jets magic window. As good as Rodgers was, id imagine he'd need to be in the MVP conversation for this to be a top 5 team
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2023, 03:02:24 PM
Of course we're biased as jets fans
But the Jets reallllly want Rodgers
The Packers absolutely must trade him.
Sounds to me like this is the team with more leverage
If the price is too high for the Jets we can literally go bring in any of the old vets left on the market and pray Zach beats them out.
If the Jets move on, what the freak can the Packers do? Presumably they'd drastically have to lower their asking price, take on more of his cap, and they'd have even less leverage with whoever the freak is interested because teams would now know they're desperate.
I know people want to act like this is the Jets magic window. As good as Rodgers was, id imagine he'd need to be in the MVP conversation for this to be a top 5 team
Yes, generally when a team is top 5 and in Super Bowl contention their QB is in the MVP conversation. It's quite difficult to compete for a ring with a QB who isn't playing at that level.
2022: Burrow, Mahomes, Hurts, whatever scrub SF were rolling out that week
2021: Burrow, Mahomes, Stafford, Garoppolo
2020: Rodgers, Mahomes, Tannehill, Garoppolo
Those are the Championship game QBs from the last three years. Every team had a QB who was playing to an MVP level that season, plus Shanahan doing Shanahan things.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2023, 03:37:44 PM
In 20 Rodgers Allen and Mahomes got votes
In 19 only Lamar Jackson got votes
I suppose we could be arguing the semantics of what's in the MVP conversation
And to me that's at least getting votes.
If youre an elite QB but don't get a single MVP vote, I'm not sure how much "in the conversation" you really were
Regardless I'll clarify my statement
Rodgers would need to legitimately get MVP voted for us to be a top 5 team
Either that or our defense would have to take a huge step forward
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2023, 04:05:39 PM
We are bringing in a top 10 quarterback to go with one of the best young receivers and running backs in the NFL.
If we find a way to build up the offensive line and maintain last year's defensive production, there's no reason we can't be a serious competitor for a Super Bowl. Whether we are top 5 or top 8 or top 2 doesn't really matter.
The goal should be to win the division. That will make all our playoff goals easier.
Post by: Cane on March 16, 2023, 04:42:42 PM
Some SOJF part of my brain tells me if we did this Rodgers would take offense and retire.I had the exact same thought.
To be clear this is just an intrusive thought and not a sincerely held belief.
As far as the trade timing, I don’t think the packers can afford to get nothing for the 2023 draft out of this trade. You can’t sell a fanbase on “don’t worry, we’ll get something next year for Aaron!” People need something to hang their hat on as an immediate asset, even if it’s just a 3 this year and a conditional next that can be a 1. If we’re getting close to the draft, I think they’ll flinch for that reason.
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 05:52:52 PM
Theyre on drugs and I'd be made at Joe Douglas for doing it unless the Packers ate more of that deal
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2023, 05:56:27 PM
Packers fans online think they're getting a Stafford package
Theyre on drugs and I'd be made at Joe Douglas for doing it unless the Packers ate more of that deal
Nah, that seems pretty fair. I'm very happy to send them Matt Stafford.
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 06:09:33 PM
Nah, that seems pretty fair. I'm very happy to send them Matt Stafford.Hahahaha
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 07:01:53 PM
A packers fan basically said yall want him you'll cave
I said notice how nobody else wants him ? Sounds like a lot of leverage
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2023, 07:26:54 PM
I just dont see the confidence in packers fans when their GM basically said Rodgers returning if things don't work out the way they want lolTheir leverage is that the Jets will want to move on and bring him in, whereas the Packers don't need to make a decision until Sept. 1.
A packers fan basically said yall want him you'll cave
I said notice how nobody else wants him ? Sounds like a lot of leverage
But their decision on Sept. 1 will be to just cut him, so if they do want to make this ugly and drag it into training camp, the Jets could just wait them out and get Rodgers for nothing.
I imagine cooler heads will prevail.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 16, 2023, 07:39:25 PM
- 2023 4th rd pick
- 2024 2nd Rd pick that can escalate to a 1st if any of the following occur
- throws for 4K yds
- NYJ win division
- NYJ play in AFCCG
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2023, 07:45:25 PM
Daniel Jeremiah gave his thoughts on fair comp for RodgersI watched that video earlier and thought it was a pretty interesting proposal.
- 2023 4th rd pick
- 2024 2nd Rd pick that can escalate to a 1st if any of the following occur
- throws for 4K yds
- NYJ win division
- NYJ play in AFCCG
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 07:48:35 PM
Daniel Jeremiah gave his thoughts on fair comp for RodgersI'll sign up
- 2023 4th rd pick
- 2024 2nd Rd pick that can escalate to a 1st if any of the following occur
- throws for 4K yds
- NYJ win division
- NYJ play in AFCCG
If we're doing any of the conditions it'll be a later pick in 24 and we get 1 and 2 to build immediately
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 07:54:01 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 07:55:25 PM
Go sign brisset and sell the farm next yr in the draft or go all in on Lamar
I really don't care but I'm not giving up 5 years of control on two 1st rd players for 1 MAYBE 2 yrs of a guy who was 90% retired a few weeks ago
Especially not after the dumb excrement packers ownership said thus far
You don't even want him. We're not taking a player away you want. End of story lol
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2023, 07:56:02 PM
Packers and their fans can shout and wait all they want. There's only 1 team at the table. Wtf market do you have ? Jd is bidding against himself .https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZV0CIFQbbE
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2023, 07:56:29 PM
I'd sooner walk away than give 2 firstsBrisset signed with the Commanders
Go sign brisset and sell the farm next yr in the draft or go all in on Lamar
I really don't care but I'm not giving up 5 years of control on two 1st rd players for 1 MAYBE 2 yrs of a guy who was 90% retired a few weeks ago
Especially not after the dumb excrement packers ownership said thus far
You don't even want him. We're not taking a player away you want. End of story lol
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 08:28:01 PM
Brisset signed with the CommandersThen we extend zach wilson for 5 years till we have assembled a OL of #1 overall picks
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 08:28:27 PM
Ok we really got nobody left hahaha
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 08:29:09 PM
I'm not heading over for a 2 1st poop chute invasion
Post by: Libero_2 on March 16, 2023, 09:25:11 PM
Oh well throw Zach wilson to the freaking dogs
I'm not heading over for a 2 1st poop chute invasion
Rodgers wants to be here. He doesn’t wanna go anywhere else. Either the pack can cut him, or trade him for something. I suppose they could keep him, but do they want that excrement hanging over Jordan Loves head all offseason? They need him gone as badly as we need him. In fact, they need him out of GB more than we need him here NOW. He knows the offense, he can run a passing camp with the WRs, just can’t have coaches involved. Now that we know he’s coming, we don’t need him in house before the draft and minicamps. Pack needs him gone asap here.
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2023, 09:50:17 PM
Baker to TBThere's always Matt Ryan.
Ok we really got nobody left hahaha
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2023, 09:55:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2023, 10:04:49 PM
Says who?
10am EST
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2023, 10:09:27 PM
Daniel Jeremiah gave his thoughts on fair comp for Rodgers
- 2023 4th rd pick
- 2024 2nd Rd pick that can escalate to a 1st if any of the following occur
- throws for 4K yds
- NYJ win division
- NYJ play in AFCCG
Division or AFCCG would get it done for me.
What’s the floor of the 2023 team with Rodgers throwing 4K yards?
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 07:42:42 AM
Division or AFCCG would get it done for me.Wild card imo
What’s the floor of the 2023 team with Rodgers throwing 4K yards?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 17, 2023, 07:52:54 AM
Quote
Interesting @AdamScheftersays #Jets are trying to acquire Aaron Rodgers via trade for Brett Favre price which was a conditional 4th 15 years ago + #Packers waiting for more + described them as ‘far apart’ currently in trade negotiations but it can change quickly: 🎥
@GetUpESPN
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1636339660162039808?s=20
JD doing his thing
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2023, 08:12:22 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 17, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 08:29:23 AM
So, um, Jimmy G's introductory press conference was apparently postponed. TTFWIWI take it as nothing lol. Rodgers doesn't wanna go argue with McDaniels all year with a shitty defense. He'd flame out in Vegas
You think the Packers would be dumb enough to force Rodgers to Vegas after everything that's happened rofl
Further more you just signed garopollo . Makes 0 sense
Unless I'm misinterpreting why you're mentioning this in tbe Rodgers thread
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 08:38:34 AM
So yeah GB has 0 leverage
Post by: ScotlandJet on March 17, 2023, 08:42:23 AM
I'd sooner walk away than give 2 firsts
Go sign brisset and sell the farm next yr in the draft or go all in on Lamar
I really don't care but I'm not giving up 5 years of control on two 1st rd players for 1 MAYBE 2 yrs of a guy who was 90% retired a few weeks ago
Especially not after the dumb excrement packers ownership said thus far
You don't even want him. We're not taking a player away you want. End of story lol
This 100%
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 08:58:41 AM
See what the price is then when you've had a PR excrement stain in your locker room while you're strangled for resources
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 17, 2023, 09:08:00 AM
Andrew Brandt already saying whispers of Rodgers showing up to OTAs and doing whatever it takes to force the Packers handHe was also saying yesterday GB wants a first-round pick and is willing to wait. He said likely 1-2 weeks on a deal to add more pressure to the Jets and to hold out to get more than what they are getting now.
So yeah GB has 0 leverage
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 09:55:06 AM
He was also saying yesterday GB wants a first-round pick and is willing to wait. He said likely 1-2 weeks on a deal to add more pressure to the Jets and to hold out to get more than what they are getting now.Again they want a Russ or Stafford deal
Theyre not getting it
JD wants a Favre trade .
Hes not getting it
The fair trade has and likely will he a 2nd this yr for immediate help for Loves transition . And a conditional next year to protect us.
And if GB stands firm I'll wait till week 1 hits and you just cut him another 54 million dollar check
Then my offer becomes a 3rd in 24 .
freak off and choke on cheese curds. Lol not you hahaha. But GB
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 17, 2023, 10:00:31 AM
Again they want a Russ or Stafford dealTwo months ago, I was hoping the fair trade would be a mid-round pick. The fair trade is whatever gets it done. I agree that a 2 and a conditional pick next year is fair on paper, but the Jets should try to get Rodgers for less if they can. And the Packers have every right to wait the Jets out to give more.
Theyre not getting it
JD wants a Favre trade .
Hes not getting it
The fair trade has and likely will he a 2nd this yr for immediate help for Loves transition . And a conditional next year to protect us.
And if GB stands firm I'll wait till week 1 hits and you just cut him another 54 million dollar check
Then my offer becomes a 3rd in 24 .
freak off and choke on cheese curds. Lol not you hahaha. But GB
I think this could last until the end of the month. I'd be very surprised if it goes past the draft unless both sides are very stubborn. Packers will want picks at some point for this year, and while contractually, they don't need to make a move til Sept. 1, they still need to make the move, and there's only one suitor.
Post by: insanity on March 17, 2023, 10:44:22 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 17, 2023, 11:00:14 AM
If they want to hold onto him to "force the Jets' hand" they can pay him his whole salary for this and get zero return. Good luck with that
Every day that passes, Joe D should lower his offer. Rodgers can't stay there and said publicly he wants to play here. Whatever leverage they think they have, they don't
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2023, 11:28:15 AM
And if that's the case the dynamic of leverage for the Packers makes a dramatic change
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
There's rumors that Jimmy Garoppolo didn't pass his physical
And if that's the case the dynamic of leverage for the Packers makes a dramatic change
Does it? It only does if Rodgers is willing to play for McDaniels in Vegas. Given they reached out and it got shut down, why would it change now? Rodgers wants to be a Jet. That’s OUR leverage
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 11:37:26 AM
There's rumors that Jimmy Garoppolo didn't pass his physicalYeah let thr packers reinforce Aaron's statement of the organization making life unnecessarily hard for vets on their way out
And if that's the case the dynamic of leverage for the Packers makes a dramatic change
Rodgers would probably retire before taking orders from McDaniels
Why would Rodgers want to learn a new system at 39 when he can come teach his system here lol.
Packers have jack excrement . Jets just need to operate in good faith for Joe Ds league reputation and the organization
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 17, 2023, 11:53:42 AM
Packers fans: "Jets have no leverage"
Pretty sure both sides have some, and they're both trying to exercise it...
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 11:58:11 AM
Jets fans: "Packers have no leverage"They've got none in tbe sense their fans are convinced they're getting at least two 1s
Packers fans: "Jets have no leverage"
Pretty sure both sides have some, and they're both trying to exercise it...
That's the dumbest excrement I've ever heard considering the Packers media handling of this
And yeah we ain't getting Rodgers for a conditional 3rd lol
Itll get done but I'm more amused at how convinced most packers fans are they've got us by the balls lol
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 12:11:20 PM
We get a full draft in 23 . They get their 1st rd pick for their ego. And it ends up being 22 to 32 barring massive injuries for us this yr.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2023, 01:25:33 PM
If this drags on near the draft. Only way I give up a 1st is if it's a 1st in 24 and nothing else maybe 1 player like Lawson or Davis to replace lazard
We get a full draft in 23 . They get their 1st rd pick for their ego. And it ends up being 22 to 32 barring massive injuries for us this yr.
If I’m Douglas I play hard ball and tell them Rodgers is worth this much to us today. As the offseason goes on, he’s worth less and less to us as we have to plan accordingly and he’s not as valuable an asset this year if he misses the entire offseason program. If we pass the draft, we aren’t interested in paying more than a conditional pick next year based on our team success.
They are the team who needs to trade him, there is no where else he is going to go. They are the ones who need a return for him. They can drag it all the way to 9/1 at which time they are forced to cut him. Then we can sign him for free.
Threaten them with hardball and then see how quickly their demands reduce to something reasonable.
I still maintain it will be our 3 this year and a conditional pick next year that can be a 4 at minimum and a 1 at maximum, based on either MVP Rodgers or a ring.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 17, 2023, 01:28:34 PM
Wingo continues to be the voice of reason
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 17, 2023, 01:34:44 PM
If I’m Douglas I play hard ball and tell them Rodgers is worth this much to us today. As the offseason goes on, he’s worth less and less to us as we have to plan accordingly and he’s not as valuable an asset this year if he misses the entire offseason program. If we pass the draft, we aren’t interested in paying more than a conditional pick next year based on our team success.You say this, but is it realistic to not have Rodgers on the roster that long? Is Woody going to be patient? Is the fan base going to be patient? I don't know.
They are the team who needs to trade him, there is no where else he is going to go. They are the ones who need a return for him. They can drag it all the way to 9/1 at which time they are forced to cut him. Then we can sign him for free.
Threaten them with hardball and then see how quickly their demands reduce to something reasonable.
I still maintain it will be our 3 this year and a conditional pick next year that can be a 4 at minimum and a 1 at maximum, based on either MVP Rodgers or a ring.
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2023, 01:54:49 PM
There's rumors that Jimmy Garoppolo didn't pass his physicalDisregard
And if that's the case the dynamic of leverage for the Packers makes a dramatic change
https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1636801980143398912?t=jgBPyAHEp8qrORg5RWIkAA&s=19
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
If I’m Douglas I play hard ball and tell them Rodgers is worth this much to us today. As the offseason goes on, he’s worth less and less to us as we have to plan accordingly and he’s not as valuable an asset this year if he misses the entire offseason program. If we pass the draft, we aren’t interested in paying more than a conditional pick next year based on our team success.I mean look at my other posts haha I'm fine them eating 54 freaking million week 1 and only offering a 3rd in 24.
They are the team who needs to trade him, there is no where else he is going to go. They are the ones who need a return for him. They can drag it all the way to 9/1 at which time they are forced to cut him. Then we can sign him for free.
Threaten them with hardball and then see how quickly their demands reduce to something reasonable.
I still maintain it will be our 3 this year and a conditional pick next year that can be a 4 at minimum and a 1 at maximum, based on either MVP Rodgers or a ring.
freak em
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 17, 2023, 02:52:39 PM
https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1636513398874570755?s=46&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQ
Wingo continues to be the voice of reason
This is basically my point from earlier
The only "leverage" the Packers have is that he's still under contract to them. So? Both Rodgers and the Packers have publicly said they've moved on from one another.
So you can hang onto him, sure. But for what? Past the draft, you've lost assets you could've had this year for Love. September 1st? You're going to pay the entirety of what you owe him this year for him to still leave? Refuse to give him up? Okay, have fun with a pissed off Rodgers on your sideline all year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 17, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
This is basically my point from earlierAnd what is our alternative if they do that? We don't have one, unless we are willing to wait until Sept. 1 to get our QB.
The only "leverage" the Packers have is that he's still under contract to them. So? Both Rodgers and the Packers have publicly said they've moved on from one another.
So you can hang onto him, sure. But for what? Past the draft, you've lost assets you could've had this year for Love. September 1st? You're going to pay the entirety of what you owe him this year for him to still leave? Refuse to give him up? Okay, have fun with a pissed off Rodgers on your sideline all year.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2023, 03:21:27 PM
And what is our alternative if they do that? We don't have one, unless we are willing to wait until Sept. 1 to get our QB.
We know he’s coming. Rodgers has decreed it. So if he hits the market on 9/1 he will be a jet in hours.
GB would be stupid, stubborn and honestly dumb to wait until after the draft. Unless JD is only offering 2024 picks, (which I’d guess is fairly unlikely) they have every incentive to trade him pre draft.
I choose to believe in Wingo. It gets done early next week after both sides walk away from the table for the weekend to focus on other parts of FA.
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2023, 03:25:26 PM
And what is our alternative if they do that?
They won't, because it's bad for them.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 17, 2023, 05:11:49 PM
This is not a situation where a player demanded a trade like DeShaun. They made the decision. IMHO that's the major key that affects a big part of their leverage in terms of the PR of all of this. They have decided to move on from a guy who was clearly their franchise, said face of their franchise is moving onto a team out of conference (which absolutely plays a part in how they should conduct themselves), and they're choosing to make his exit apparently as ugly as possible.
They aren't paying him 60 million dollars (for those keeping score, that's 10 million more than Juntao wanted when he kidnapped Counsel Han's daughter in Rush Hour 1), to sit on their freaking bench, or to have his presence totally eclipse that of their starter. Imagine him actually on the roster the second Jordan Love has a bad game? Give me a fuckin break.
The idea that those idiots in Bristol and other members of a sports media that I am totally convinced have some sort of weird vested interest in shitting on the Jets keep pounding the table saying GrEeN bAy hAs AlL tHe LeVeRaGe is dumber than freak.
And for what it's worth, I know it's a very small, very petty thing to remember (but I'm short and petty so what's the difference), but this is exactly why Tannenbaum should've taken that freaking 7th rounder in the Favre deal as opposed to have idiotically given it back out of some token of goodwill.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 17, 2023, 05:24:13 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2023, 05:24:20 PM
You can't tell me other agents and players around the league aren't looking at this situation, one in which a guy was a fifteen year starter, multiple time MVP, super bowl champion and the face of the franchise and is now being held ransom, and it doesn't affect their perception of Green Bay's management.
This is not a situation where a player demanded a trade like DeShaun. They made the decision. IMHO that's the major key that affects a big part of their leverage in terms of the PR of all of this. They have decided to move on from a guy who was clearly their franchise, said face of their franchise is moving onto a team out of conference (which absolutely plays a part in how they should conduct themselves), and they're choosing to make his exit apparently as ugly as possible.
They aren't paying him 60 million dollars (for those keeping score, that's 10 million more than Juntao wanted when he kidnapped Counsel Han's daughter in Rush Hour 1), to sit on their freaking bench, or to have his presence totally eclipse that of their starter. Imagine him actually on the roster the second Jordan Love has a bad game? Give me a fuckin break.
The idea that those idiots in Bristol and other members of a sports media that I am totally convinced have some sort of weird vested interest in shitting on the Jets keep pounding the table saying GrEeN bAy hAs AlL tHe LeVeRaGe is dumber than freak.
And for what it's worth, I know it's a very small, very petty thing to remember (but I'm short and petty so what's the difference), but this is exactly why Tannenbaum should've taken that freaking 7th rounder in the Favre deal as opposed to have idiotically given it back out of some token of goodwill.
You should also add, that it’s not just that players are MAYBE thinking about this. Rodgers literally called them on it and pointed it out during the PM show, and also reminded everyone that he has been talking about this for years, including name dropping guys who got treated poorly on the way out the door.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2023, 05:49:22 PM
They aren't paying him 60 million dollars (for those keeping score, that's 10 million more than Juntao wanted when he kidnapped Counsel Han's daughter in Rush Hour 1)
This might be the best thing you've ever posted.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 17, 2023, 05:49:53 PM
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1636796797484924960?s=46&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQIt's such a fascinating topic. Hackett being our OC helps us a lot in this case since Rodgers knows the offense.
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2023, 07:24:13 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2023, 06:47:37 AM
Post by: delavan on March 18, 2023, 08:36:38 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2023, 09:55:41 AM
They won't, because it's bad for them.
Exactly
You can't tell me other agents and players around the league aren't looking at this situation, one in which a guy was a fifteen year starter, multiple time MVP, super bowl champion and the face of the franchise and is now being held ransom, and it doesn't affect their perception of Green Bay's management.
I wrote something similar to your post and deleted it, but yeah. You're going to publicly say you're done with a future HOF Super Bowl winning legend, then string him along because...spite? Yeah, every FA is going to be lining up to play for you now!
One thing I'll add, organizations are watching too. Everyone knows, despite ESPN reporting, that GB is dealing in bad faith at this point. Everyone was reporting on a framework being agreed to before Aaron even made his decision.
It's simply bad business
Post by: Coach K on March 18, 2023, 10:05:31 AM
Post by: Cane on March 18, 2023, 04:01:11 PM
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1636796797484924960?s=46&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQHe’s absolutely right. No way the Packers can afford to go through this process and not have a single asset in this draft as part of the trade. They need something immediate. You can’t give up one of the all time greats and say to your fans: “don’t worry, we’re getting something for him 12 months from now.”
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2023, 06:14:45 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
FWIW I'm beginning to think this trade is going to happen after the draft.That'll be a tough sell for Gutekunst to his fanbase
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2023, 06:30:53 PM
That'll be a tough sell for Gutekunst to his fanbase
I don't disagree.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2023, 06:33:40 PM
FWIW I'm beginning to think this trade is going to happen after the draft.
This would be amazing for us
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2023, 06:35:55 PM
This would be amazing for us
Yes, though I hope it doesn't result in us losing our 1st next year (unless that also coincides with us winning the Super Bowl).
Post by: Coach K on March 18, 2023, 07:30:25 PM
FWIW I'm beginning to think this trade is going to happen after the draft.Even better. We get a full draft and the best they'll get is a conditional 3rd in 24 or just a 1st in 24 and nothing else. You wanted 13 this yr? Now you get nothing to help Love and probably 22 to 32 in 24
GB are morons and the longer this draws out the dumber they look lol.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 18, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
FWIW I'm beginning to think this trade is going to happen after the draft.I'd be shocked. We've debated leverage for a week now. Both sides have plenty of incentive to get this done before the draft. Jets want to make sure Rodgers is in the building. Packers will want a pick this year.
I could see it playing out until right before the draft. Maybe even before Day 2. But that's about it. Neither side has much incentive to budge until then.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2023, 08:59:06 PM
You'd have to think it wouldn't be the worst thing for the Packers to tank this year considering the massive cap hit of Rodgers, and for them to get a top draft pick and ammunition to trade up for a top QB if Love is excrement
Post by: Coach K on March 18, 2023, 09:44:09 PM
I'm literally not even concerned anymore. He will he a Jet come week 1
Post by: Libero_2 on March 19, 2023, 05:36:35 AM
Assuming pick value is similar
You'd have to think it wouldn't be the worst thing for the Packers to tank this year considering the massive cap hit of Rodgers, and for them to get a top draft pick and ammunition to trade up for a top QB if Love is excrement
Of course there is the fact they believe Love ISNT excrement. Because if they did, they’d be hanging on to Rodgers and wouldn’t have entertained trading him
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2023, 06:23:26 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 19, 2023, 09:26:43 AM
If I had uncertainty at QB, I’d want more picks in 2024Two ways to look at it certainly .
But Packers are forcing a legend out for Love. They'll give him 23 and 24 unless 23 is a unmitigated disaster lol
Post by: Coach K on March 19, 2023, 09:27:14 AM
“I’d just say that if the 13th pick was on the table, with maybe a little sweetener, I think the deal would probably be done already. And in calling around, asking teams that are uninvolved what they’d give up, just about everyone said it should be a Day 2 pick this year, fronting a package with a conditional pick or two on the back end. That, to me, is where I think you could get creative.”
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2023, 10:03:18 AM
Of course there is the fact they believe Love ISNT excrement. Because if they did, they’d be hanging on to Rodgers and wouldn’t have entertained trading him
Rodgers is at the tailend of his career
They traded up in the first round for Love and have really been limited at getting him playing time. Unless they think they're a win now team with Rodgers (they're not) it makes a lot of sense to want to evaluate Love before he's gone. And it's even better decision making if you're able to trade a 40 year old QB for fairly significant rebuilding assets
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2023, 02:23:53 PM
Who's going to tell them Dick, nor any jets beat writer, know anything.
Post by: delavan on March 19, 2023, 03:12:08 PM
I went on the twitter machine this morning and noticed Packers fans want Jermaine Johnson, Eli Moore and a conditional 2024 pick for Rodgers....because Dick Cimini mentioned JJ may have been dangled in a trade lol.^ This. They don’t know Dick. :- )
Who's going to tell them Dick, nor any jets beat writer, know anything.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2023, 01:42:27 AM
They may need to get creative. Moore is the obvious guy given his issues last year. Johnson is maybe another option. But Johnson and Moore both have to be valued relatively highly in a trade (maybe a 3 for Moore and a 2 for Johnson).
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 08:53:49 AM
Maybe he has inside info
Narrator: he doesn't
Post by: Coach K on March 20, 2023, 10:40:01 AM
That being said if the Packers definitely want a player the only two worth discussing are Davis and Moore
I'm bias as a FSU fan but he earned my ultimate respect for being a high motor guy his entire collegiate career during one of FSUs worst runs in recent memory .
JJ is untouchable and I'd sooner cut or trade Lawson than give up JJ
If we were to trade him I'd seriously reconsider the intelligence of this FO when they'd be placing their faith in Lawson
JJ also is one of the only DL we have who actually stacks and sheds blocks in run defense .
Anyways, I've always assumed Davis or Moore would be a sweetener since they lost Lazard. But no JJ is untouchable if im GM .
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 10:42:00 AM
I think Moore can revitalize his career here witb Rodgers and I'd prefer him to Cobb 11 times out of 10
Why though? I'd rather have the veteran presence in the position group than someone that's going to show his derriere at any given moment.
Potential and flashes are not enough for me to overlook everything he's done wrong for this team.
Get rid of Moore and Mims.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 11:56:36 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Has Peter Bukowski been popping up on anyone else's TL? That guy is freaking unbearable.Yes..I hate him.
I've been shitting on him relentlessly in the hopes that he'll block me.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 01:02:41 PM
Yes..I hate him.
I've been shitting on him relentlessly in the hopes that he'll block me.
I muted him after getting into it with him about Elijah Moore last year. Now a bunch of people on my TL have been quote-tweeting him/giving him excrement.
It's amazing the ability of Twitter to turn me against teams that I've never cared about/had anything against in the past. Now I want the Packers to crash and burn this year.
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2023, 01:10:00 PM
I muted him after getting into it with him about Elijah Moore last year. Now a bunch of people on my TL have been quote-tweeting him/giving him excrement.After Douglas bends Gutekunst over, that asshat will have to shutdown his account ...he'll get lit up.
It's amazing the ability of Twitter to turn me against teams that I've never cared about/had anything against in the past. Now I want the Packers to crash and burn this year.
Post by: Coach K on March 20, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Why though? I'd rather have the veteran presence in the position group than someone that's going to show his derriere at any given moment.I doubt he shows his derriere with Rodgers and Hackett.
Potential and flashes are not enough for me to overlook everything he's done wrong for this team.
Get rid of Moore and Mims.
Hackett is a players coach not the seemingly functionally autistic person LaFleur appears to be . Rodgers will hit his targets more often than not. So if Moore can get open , Moore eats .
I also said I'm fine trading him. But if we're talking production I'd say we know Cobb will only get worse and Moore has actual upside .
This is one of those things I'd have to actually be in the building to make a real decision on.
I can get wanting Cobb for the leadership in the WR room alone though . Makes sense. Saddest thing is Wilson appeared to be tbe best leader on this entire team when it came to standards and accountability
Good for Wilson . Not a great sign for tbe rest of the offense .
I'm fine either eay whether Moore gets 1 last shot to prove he's wasn't a dumb kid who won't change.
Or you dangle his ceiling in front if GB as a transition piece for love . Or Davis
Either way I'm fine. Again this is something I'll trust the jets decision on
I actually like Mims though and think Rodgers would love him .
I'm more interested in him co.peting for snaps than Moore.
Sounds dumb but I think this kid could've shined more just by feeding him .
Oh well both might not even be on our 53 come Sept. So im just ready to see what tbe compensation ends up being for Rodgers. Not worried about it happening but ready to figure out the resources for the 23 roster build
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 20, 2023, 03:00:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
Rodgers will hit his targets more often than not. So if Moore can get open , Moore eats .
Who is Moore playing over if we actually sign OBJ?
Wilson and Lazard are not coming off the field.
WR3 was option 4 in Green Bay's offense last year. Rodgers targeted Tonyan more. With the Jets, he's got Uzomah and Conklin.
WR4s do not eat.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
LaFleur's offense had a lot to do with that, but I don't trust bottom of the depth chart receivers that have already requested trades.
Draft another receiver that can play outside.
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2023, 03:15:23 PM
WR3 was option 4 in Green Bay's offense last year. Rodgers targeted Tonyan more.
That's a bit disingenuous.
Targets per player in 2022:
Lazard: 100
Aaron Jones: 72
Romeo Doubs: 67
Robert Tonyan: 67
Christian Watson: 66
Randall Cobb: 50
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2022.htm
That's four receivers, a tight end and a running back. There was a lot of love being shared.
In the interests of fairness and as an intriguing comparison point, here are the Jets' stats from last year:
Wilson: 147
Conklin: 87
Moore: 65
Davis: 64
Carter: 54
Berrios: 32
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2022.htm
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 03:18:50 PM
That's four receivers, a tight end and a running back. There was a lot of love being shared.
WR4 is his second favorite receiver that he's ever played with and he has the fewest targets.
I didn't include the backs, but Moore would have to compete with Hall and whoever our RB2 is for targets too.
Moore can't play special teams and he's an poopchute. What is the point of using a roster spot on him? Same for Mims.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 03:21:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 03:31:38 PM
Moore can't play special teams and he's an poopchute. What is the point of using a roster spot on him? Same for Mims.
The fact that he's the second most talented receiver on our roster and on a cheap rookie contract. Anyone in the media who's spoken on the topic has said that we're not trading Moore, likely for this reason.
Moore is an emotional player who was venting his frustrations at the wrong time. He's 22 and has hopefully learned from the experience. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 03:40:17 PM
the second most talented receiver on our roster
debatable
Moore is an emotional player who was venting his frustrations at the wrong time. He's 22 and has hopefully learned from the experience. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
He'll always have AJ Brown in his inner circle telling him he deserves more.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 03:45:25 PM
He'll always have AJ Brown in his inner circle telling him he deserves more.
Whatever. If he's motivated enough, he'll perform up to his abilities this year and then we can trade him for an equitable return.
If Saleh didn't think he could get through to him, he'd probably already be gone.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 20, 2023, 03:53:19 PM
I’m still praying we go and include him in a deal with the Bucs
13 + Moore = 19 + 175 + Mike Evans.
That would roughly value Mike Evans as a mid - second rounder, if you assumed Moore was worth pick 90 (late third) on the trade value chart.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 04:01:39 PM
If Saleh didn't think he could get through to him, he'd probably already be gone.
Saleh wants to be everyone's friend
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 04:03:46 PM
Saleh wants to be everyone's friend
Yeah and, despite that, he jettisoned his best friend's brother.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 04:05:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 04:06:43 PM
Yeah and, despite that, he jettisoned his best friend's brother.
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Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2023, 04:07:58 PM
Yeah and, despite that, he jettisoned his best friend's brother.Saleh lied
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 04:18:20 PM
Post by: insanity on March 20, 2023, 05:03:10 PM
I think the biggest arguement against trading Moore is that his value is lowest now. Conceivably after producing on the field with Rodgers for 6-8 weeks or even the entire year his value can climb way up, and we could trade him in season or post next season for a greater value than today.For the last time, Mike Evans can't be traded this year.
I’m still praying we go and include him in a deal with the Bucs
13 + Moore = 19 + 175 + Mike Evans.
That would roughly value Mike Evans as a mid - second rounder, if you assumed Moore was worth pick 90 (late third) on the trade value chart.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2023, 05:53:37 PM
Why can't we focus on something more realistic, like the Jets trade package for Lamar
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 20, 2023, 06:13:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2023, 06:49:33 PM
The Ravens gave Lamar the non-exclusive tender solely so they can let him negotiate his offer and match it.
His market is colder than a polar bear's nuts. It will be freaking hilarious if they pull their previous offer and he ends up playing on the tag number, which I think is about $32M and considerably lower than the $50M a year that was rumoured and even than the $44M he confirmed himself.
Post by: Coach K on March 20, 2023, 06:59:47 PM
Who is Moore playing over if we actually sign OBJ?I'm not operating under the assumption we aign OBJ lol
Wilson and Lazard are not coming off the field.
WR3 was option 4 in Green Bay's offense last year. Rodgers targeted Tonyan more. With the Jets, he's got Uzomah and Conklin.
WR4s do not eat.
If we were to aquire OBJ, trading Moore is more palatable than cobb .
I'm talking about if no further changes happen to our WR room.
Again I'm fine either way but the kid is talented . Its whether he can pull his head from his derriere. Lol.
If they think he's a lost cause then ship him off . Whatever gives us capital.
But we're 1 wilson injury away from a strength becoming a weakness lol . Everyone else's success will come from the fact teams will blanket wilson and his side of tbe field next yr imo .
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 20, 2023, 08:02:41 PM
His market is colder than a polar bear's nuts. It will be freaking hilarious if they pull their previous offer and he ends up playing on the tag number, which I think is about $32M and considerably lower than the $50M a year that was rumoured and even than the $44M he confirmed himself.
It's their best scenario. Let the guy who doesn't know how to negotiate a contract do it and then just match his offer. Worst case scenario they have to pay him what they offered him.
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2023, 09:00:57 PM
I think the biggest arguement against trading Moore is that his value is lowest now. Conceivably after producing on the field with Rodgers for 6-8 weeks or even the entire year his value can climb way up, and we could trade him in season or post next season for a greater value than today.
But we're 1 wilson injury away from a strength becoming a weakness lol .
These are my main reasons for not rushing to trade Moore.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2023, 09:30:41 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
Mike Evans is available
Yeah, and Grizzly Adams had a beard...
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 20, 2023, 09:52:52 PM
These are my main reasons for not rushing to trade Moore.
Injuries? In the Jets' WR corps? Never!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 09:57:27 PM
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2023, 10:03:03 PM
I think the biggest arguement against trading Moore is that his value is lowest now.
Zero is not the lowest value. There are negative numbers.
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2023, 10:22:53 PM
Zero is not the lowest value. There are negative numbers.He could always drive the wrong way through the Lincoln Tunnel while punching his pregnant girlfriend and livestreaming a scathing body-shaming rant about Selena Gomez.
Post by: insanity on March 20, 2023, 11:23:04 PM
Damm this site is bad.
Post by: MBGreen on March 21, 2023, 07:44:37 AM
Joe Douglas is so OP he can't be contained by a profile picture.
Damm this site is bad.
It's not the site...you just don't know how to follow directions.
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2023, 08:14:35 AM
Joe Douglas is so OP he can't be contained by a profile picture.
Damm this site is bad.
You're welcome.
Post by: insanity on March 21, 2023, 08:25:39 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Where are these directions?
They're on the receipt you got when you paid your monthly subscription.
Post by: insanity on March 21, 2023, 09:26:07 AM
They're on the receipt you got when you paid your monthly subscription.The only directions on the reciept were how to properly satisfy your mother.
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2023, 10:24:02 AM
The only directions on the reciept were how to properly satisfy your mother.You clearly read those about as well as you did the ones about sizing your avatar.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2023, 11:10:03 AM
Post by: delavan on March 21, 2023, 08:11:17 PM
His market is colder than a polar bear's nuts.They don’t look all that cold.
Pretty insulated if you ask me.
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The only directions on the reciept were how to properly satisfy your mother.Mothers jokes?…seriously? At least be polite about it....
Happy Mother’s Day. Sorry I wrecked your vagina.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 21, 2023, 10:43:28 PM
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2023, 05:48:00 AM
This thread is COVID-23.It's the triple freaking Asian flu.
Post by: MBGreen on March 22, 2023, 08:51:37 AM
Quote
uSTADIUM
@uSTADIUM
ESPN's @RobDemovsky
with the latest on the Aaron Rodgers/#Jets saga on the @RichEisenShow
:
“It’s going to happen. Everybody in the situation knows at some point Brian Gutekunst will put his name on those trade papers and send it to the league office and they’re going to get this deal done.
It’s also possible that they could have the trade compensation part of this worked out and they are haggling over the financials. This isn’t just 'we trade you to the Jets and you send us pick A, B, C and D and Player A and we’re done.' The Jets are going to want Rodgers to re-work the contract, which Rodgers says he knows will have to be adjusted.”
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2023, 09:08:59 AM
who's next, MB?
Post by: MBGreen on March 22, 2023, 09:21:22 AM
Nick Spano, BoyGreen, Joe in Clark
who's next, MB?
it's a surprise
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2023, 10:12:30 AM
Nick Spano, BoyGreen, Joe in Clark
who's next, MB?
it's a surpriseVinny from Staten Island
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 22, 2023, 10:23:43 AM
I've never been a bigger fan of Mike Florio.
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2023, 11:02:54 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/22/in-dealing-with-the-packers-its-time-for-the-jets-to-act-like-new-yorkers/"Eyyy I'm tradin' here!"
I've never been a bigger fan of Mike Florio.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 22, 2023, 05:50:48 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/22/in-dealing-with-the-packers-its-time-for-the-jets-to-act-like-new-yorkers/
"A third rounder and a grandma's pie from spumoni's"
Post by: delavan on March 23, 2023, 12:23:07 AM
This thread is COVID-23.
Quote from: Badger
It's the triple freaking Asian fluRelax, we're on hold. Thread's over a hundred pages and both sides are at an impasse...what'd you expect, the Magna Carta?....the Spanish Inquistition??....
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Post by: Badger on March 23, 2023, 04:33:14 AM
Relax, we're on hold. Thread's over a hundred pages and both sides are at an impasse...what'd you expect, the Magna Carta?....the Spanish Inquistition??....
The Magnum Trojan?
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2023, 09:25:34 PM
This might be the best thing you've ever posted.
did you even watch the movie yet?
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2023, 09:34:48 PM
swap 13 for 15
conditional 3rd/4th next year (conditions being something like making it to the AFCCG, super bowl, rodgers putting up great stats, etc)
corey davis
can even consider swapping either of 42 or 43 for 45, which would come out to approximately a 5th round pick in terms of swapped value
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 26, 2023, 12:03:24 AM
swapping from 13 to 15 is equivalent to 100 points on the draft chart, which equates to a compensatory 3rd round pick in this year's draftI dont see the point. The Packers want to make it look like they got something back for him. Moving up 2 picks isn't it. It isn't a deal breaker but I dont see the Packers valuing that as much as it would technically be worth.
swap 13 for 15
conditional 3rd/4th next year (conditions being something like making it to the AFCCG, super bowl, rodgers putting up great stats, etc)
corey davis
can even consider swapping either of 42 or 43 for 45, which would come out to approximately a 5th round pick in terms of swapped value
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2023, 07:53:23 AM
did you even watch the movie yet?I watched it years ago. It's the sequels I never bothered with.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2023, 11:30:20 AM
Please get this deal done yesterday
This image haunts my dreams
Post by: delavan on March 27, 2023, 01:23:39 PM
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2023, 06:19:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1640510389439057920
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1640481495545700353
https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1640510389439057920
Re: first tweet
Rodgers claimed that the Packers were moving differently upon him exiting his hallucination retreat. He didn’t have his phone on him during the trip. Packers reportedly were telling him to take as long as he needed to make his decision.
We already knew this, but someone lyin’
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 27, 2023, 10:57:11 PM
Sounds like a 2 in 2023 and another conditional 2024 pick, like we all figured out a few weeks ago.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 27, 2023, 11:23:04 PM
2024 2nd that turns into a 1st if we win the AFC
We get back a 2025 3rd if Rodgers isn't on the roster Week 1 of 2024. Packers can keep the pick if we win a Super Bowl in 2023.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 01:35:21 AM
To me it's either a 2ns this year, or a conditional package next year that can go as high as a 1st. This is a scenario where the Packers are in desperation mode to get rid of Rodgers and we're literally the only option. I don't understand how we overpay, but I imagine we will.
My prediction is this team ends up paying way too freaking much for Rodgers and it ends up taking us further from the ultimate goal in the long run
I'd much rather see the team sign whatever excrement vet is available and draft another QB with any pick after 13 at this point.
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2023, 01:59:45 AM
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 05:34:59 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 07:41:40 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 08:41:00 AM
I think any sort of package of a 2nd and a 1st is freaking absurd for a QB who will be 40 and probably doesn't play more than 2 seasons here. Even if that 1st is a conditional pick.
To me it's either a 2ns this year, or a conditional package next year that can go as high as a 1st. This is a scenario where the Packers are in desperation mode to get rid of Rodgers and we're literally the only option. I don't understand how we overpay, but I imagine we will.
My prediction is this team ends up paying way too freaking much for Rodgers and it ends up taking us further from the ultimate goal in the long run
I'd much rather see the team sign whatever excrement vet is available and draft another QB with any pick after 13 at this point.
I know I'm doing this to myself, but what, exactly, is your idea of the "ultimate goal"?
Mine is pretty simple: "Win the Super Bowl." That's it. I don't care what our draft picks in 2024 or 2025 are. I don't care if we're paying salaries to retired players in 2026. If we win the Super Bowl in February 2024, nothing else matters. And that's not just the ultimate goal,l it's the only goal when you're bringing in a future first-ballot HOF QB.
Yes, it might blow up in our faces. But we've reached the AFCC game 3 times since Broadway Joe brought home a title, and won none of them. So we're not any worse off than we've been no matter what happens. All-in means all-in.
Post by: delavan on March 28, 2023, 09:01:17 AM
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 09:31:24 AM
Yes, it might blow up in our faces. But we've reached the AFCC game 3 times since Broadway Joe brought home a title, and won none of them. So we're not any worse off than we've been no matter what happens. All-in means all-in.
At least 4 times. Assuming you forgot the Mud Bowl.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 09:45:30 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 28, 2023, 10:02:19 AM
This is a 1 or 2 yr window with a largely young core
Sustainability is attained by continuing to draft well
This isn't rocket science
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 10:58:08 AM
At least 4 times. Assuming you forgot the Mud Bowl.
You're right, good catch.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 11:05:27 AM
And we have enough young talent that we should be fine even if we don't reach the Super Bowl with Rodgers.
This is another point.
If this team doesn't win a title with Rodgers, everybody is gone. It'll be an entirely new front office and coaching staff, who will want their own players. At best, they'll keep guys like Sauce and Garrett, but the roster and all of its inherited salaries will be turned over in a rebuild.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 11:26:36 AM
I know I'm doing this to myself, but what, exactly, is your idea of the "ultimate goal"?
Mine is pretty simple: "Win the Super Bowl." That's it. I don't care what our draft picks in 2024 or 2025 are. I don't care if we're paying salaries to retired players in 2026. If we win the Super Bowl in February 2024, nothing else matters. And that's not just the ultimate goal,l it's the only goal when you're bringing in a future first-ballot HOF QB.
Yes, it might blow up in our faces. But we've reached the AFCC game 3 times since Broadway Joe brought home a title, and won none of them. So we're not any worse off than we've been no matter what happens. All-in means all-in.
Unless you're a team like the Rams who is right on the cusp I don't believe of going all in on a 1 to 2 year window, especially when it won't even make you a top 5 team
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
Unless you're a team like the Rams who is right on the cusp I don't believe of going all in on a 1 to 2 year window, especially when it won't even make you a top 5 team
By definition we would be a top 4 team if we make the AFC Champ game and the 2nd escalates into the 1st that you’re wringing your hands about
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Unless you're a team like the Rams who is right on the cusp I don't believe of going all in on a 1 to 2 year window, especially when it won't even make you a top 5 teamGiving up two 2nd-round picks for a top-end starting quarterback isn't going all in IMO.
Obviously you ideally want as much cost-controlled quality young players, so you never like giving away draft picks, but it's not like this is some trade where we are mortgaging a ton of draft capital. We still would have a 1 and a 2 in 2023. And most likely, if we do give up a 1 next year, it comes after a really strong season.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
Giving up two 2nd-round picks for a top-end starting quarterback isn't going all in IMO.
Yeah, we're not going all in yet.
If we trade for Rodgers and start trading other picks for multiple high priced pieces ...then we'd be going all in.
We have a young core and we should have the ability to add at least two more premium prospects (1st and 2nd this year) to our current roster.
On paper 2024's draft class is one of the best in years. There are potentially elite prospects at all positions except for RB. Tons of teams could be looking to move back this year to acquire future draft picks. I think we'll be one of those teams.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 12:07:48 PM
If this team doesn't win a title with Rodgers, everybody is gone. It'll be an entirely new front office and coaching staff, who will want their own players. At best, they'll keep guys like Sauce and Garrett, but the roster and all of its inherited salaries will be turned over in a rebuild.
If we don't win a Super Bowl with Rodgers you think everyone gets fired? That's a crazy take.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 12:10:46 PM
Unless you're a team like the Rams who is right on the cusp I don't believe of going all in on a 1 to 2 year window, especially when it won't even make you a top 5 team
This was a playoff team in November with a random mix of Zach Wilson, Mike White, and Joe Flacco's corpse at QB.
There are questions in the trenches, but we vastly upgraded at QB. There's no reason to assume that this team can't make a run at the title.
I keep harping on the point, but we've been conditioned as a fanbase to want to save money/cap space and store up draft picks for some mythical time when everything aligns just right for us to go all in.
That mythical time is right now. We either win with Rodgers or everyone is gone in 3 years and we're rebuilding from the ground up.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
If we don't win a Super Bowl with Rodgers you think everyone gets fired? That's a crazy take.
4 years of Saleh, 5 of Douglas, and Woody's spent a ton of cash to get a HOF QB in the house, and you think everyone survives if it doesn't work? What in Woody's history makes you believe that?
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 12:15:13 PM
4 years of Saleh, 5 of Douglas, and Woody's spent a ton of cash to get a HOF QB in the house, and you think everyone survives if it doesn't work? What in Woody's history makes you believe that?There are degrees of "doesn't work."
If we don't win a Super Bowl, that isn't necessarily enough to get people fired.
If we don't make the playoffs, then it might be.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 12:17:10 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 12:21:50 PM
We made it to back-to-back AFCCG's with Rex and he got to hang on for four more mediocre seaons...
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 12:26:25 PM
There are degrees of "doesn't work."
If we don't win a Super Bowl, that isn't necessarily enough to get people fired.
If we don't make the playoffs, then it might be.
Yeah, that's true enough. A couple of really deep runs would be hard to argue against. Especially if JD drafts well with whatever capital he's left with.
There's a good chance that Rodgers doesn't play more than a year here. Basing everyone's job security on winning the Super Bowl in one year with him at the helm is crazytown.
Through that lens, sure. But I'll be pretty disappointed (and I would think the Jets would be too) if Rodgers only plays here a single year. Especially if they don't win it all that one year.
I don't think he's here for a one-and-done without a title. If we win it all, maybe he quits next March, but I've felt all along this is a two year run with him. And I'd surprised if the Jets left their meeting with him not believing that as well.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 12:29:03 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 12:36:05 PM
I agree that it's probably more likely than not at this point that this is a two-year arrangement with Rodgers but you never really know with him.
True enough. But if they didn't get the feeling he was invested in a couple of years worth of runs, Woody is nuttier than I thought.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
By definition we would be a top 4 team if we make the AFC Champ game and the 2nd escalates into the 1st that you’re wringing your hands about
I'm not talking about standing wise, I'm talking about being an actual top 4 team.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 01:02:26 PM
This was a playoff team in November with a random mix of Zach Wilson, Mike White, and Joe Flacco's corpse at QB.
There are questions in the trenches, but we vastly upgraded at QB. There's no reason to assume that this team can't make a run at the title.
I keep harping on the point, but we've been conditioned as a fanbase to want to save money/cap space and store up draft picks for some mythical time when everything aligns just right for us to go all in.
That mythical time is right now. We either win with Rodgers or everyone is gone in 3 years and we're rebuilding from the ground up.
This was a team with a pipedream of sneaking in the wildcard
I'm not suggesting were not solid
But this isn't the pre Stafford Rams
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 01:08:38 PM
This was a team with a pipedream of sneaking in the wildcard
Yes, with terrible quarterback play, and despite that we were 7-4 at one point. What do you think happens when you add potentially elite quarterback play to that team?
But this isn't the pre Stafford Rams
That's your opinion. On paper, the rosters are very similar.
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Post by: MBGreen on March 28, 2023, 01:28:57 PM
Glad dcm isn't running the team, as always.x100
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 01:29:30 PM
This was a team with a pipedream of sneaking in the wildcard
I'm not suggesting were not solid
But this isn't the pre Stafford Rams
Yes, with terrible quarterback play, and despite that we were 7-4 at one point. What do you think happens when you add potentially elite quarterback play to that team?Yeah, what did the Rams have that we don't?
That's your opinion. On paper, the rosters are very similar.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 01:31:30 PM
Yeah, what did the Rams have that we don't?
Nothing were literally the Rams
We have a guy who is in contention for the best wideout of all time, probably the best HC in the NFL, and a guy who might be the defensive player of all time.
Between this and the Lamar Jackson nonsense maybe we could get get Narcan to sponsor this board
Let's also point out that the freaking Rams had made the SB before trading for a top QB
We couldn't even make the playoffs despite playing against every backup QB in the league
The team is good and shown serious growth. But to compare is to the Rams is freaking delusional
Post by: MBGreen on March 28, 2023, 01:32:32 PM
Yeah, what did the Rams have that we don't?Intestinal Fortitude
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 01:53:16 PM
Nothing were literally the Rams
We have a guy who is in contention for the best wideout of all time, probably the best HC in the NFL, and a guy who might be the defensive player of all time.
Right, Garrett, Saleh, and Quinnen are all elite.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 01:57:42 PM
Right, Garrett, Saleh, and Quinnen are all elite.
Nobody in the world would include Saleh as elite. I'm not sure anyone is even confident if he gets a second contract yet. He's closer to Gase than he is Mcvay
And while Garret and Q are beasts
Comparing them to a wideout who almost cracked 2000 receiving yards and probably the most dominant defensive player of all time is cracked out.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 01:59:53 PM
We have a guy who is in contention for the best wideout of all time
whomst?
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probably the best HC in the NFL
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a guy who might be the defensive player of all time.
lmaoooooooo
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 02:01:16 PM
Nothing were literally the Rams
We have a guy who is in contention for the best wideout of all time, probably the best HC in the NFL, and a guy who might be the defensive player of all time.
Between this and the Lamar Jackson nonsense maybe we could get get Narcan to sponsor this board
Let's also point out that the freaking Rams had made the SB before trading for a top QB
We couldn't even make the playoffs despite playing against every backup QB in the league
The team is good and shown serious growth. But to compare is to the Rams is freaking delusional
Listen, dipshit. I said the rosters are very similar, which they are, not that we're "literally the Rams" but I recognize that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
whomst?
lol
lmaoooooooo
I was being sarcastic at comparing Saleh Wilson and Q to Mcvay Kupp and Donald.
I'm probably overestimating how good Kupp is though
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 02:02:27 PM
Nobody in the world would include Saleh as elite. I'm not sure anyone is even confident if he gets a second contract yet. He's closer to Gase than he is McvayI think you're heavily coloring your opinion with what they accomplished in and after their Super Bowl winning season.
And while Garret and Q are beasts
Comparing them to a wideout who almost cracked 2000 receiving yards and probably the most dominant defensive player of all time is cracked out.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 02:03:08 PM
Listen, dipshit. I said the rosters are very similar, which they are, not that we're "literally the Rams" but I recognize that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
I'm saying the Rams made a superbowl before Stafford
We couldn't make the playoffs as a wildcard despite playing a stupid number of backup QBs.
I think comparing the two is absurd
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 02:05:15 PM
I think you're heavily coloring your opinion with what they accomplished in and after their Super Bowl winning season.
Prior to their SB bubble bursting the Rams worst season in 5 years was 9-7, and has 2 SB appearances
On what planet do we, compare to them? A team with one of the biggest playoff droughts in professional sports
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 02:15:02 PM
Bucs were a talented roster with below average QB play. Replacing below average with elite won them a Super Bowl.
We have one of the 3 best DTs and CBs in the NFL. Wilson, Hall, AVT, Reed and Mosley are also near the top of their respective positions.
This is a very good roster that was let down by bad QB play and OL injuries. Replacing terrible QB play with very good QB play could be worth 3+ wins alone
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 02:16:23 PM
Prior to their SB bubble bursting the Rams worst season in 5 years was 9-7, and has 2 SB appearances
On what planet do we, compare to them? A team with one of the biggest playoff droughts in professional sports
Would you feel better comparing us to the 2020 Bucs?
EDIT: Damn you, Mack.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 02:24:07 PM
I'm probably overestimating how good Kupp is though
No, he's definitely better than Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald. It's not even close either.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 02:24:54 PM
Listen, dipshit.
DIPSHIT
I'LL KILL YOU
Post by: Jumbo on March 28, 2023, 02:27:01 PM
No, he's definitely better than Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald. It's not even close either.
None of those players ever had 1,947 yards in a season like Kupp did, except for Calvin had more once but it doesn't count because it was only in 16 games and the gap between Matthew Stafford and Matthew Stafford is huge
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2023, 02:27:51 PM
No, he's definitely better than Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald. It's not even close either.
I love hyperbole but my language was not that strong
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 02:29:03 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 02:51:50 PM
I'd put our roster up against anybody else's in the AFC. Obviously, coaching is an entirely separate matter and the jury is very much still out on that. The hope is that Rodgers' greatness will make up for any deficiencies there.And you made a great point about one of the best reasons NOT to go all in is Josh Allen/Joe Burrow/Patrick Mahomes/etc.
However, I think the rest of our roster is right there with any of those teams. I don't know if Rodgers can play at the level of those guys anymore at age 40, but I think he can still be very good. And if we put out a top 8 defense, and Rodgers turns our offense into a top 12 unit with Breece and GW, we can be a strong contender. And there's a chance we can be better than either of those ranks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 03:11:12 PM
Public comments are fine. Just don't freak up the negotiation.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 03:14:02 PM
dafuq
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2023, 03:21:25 PM
https://twitter.com/antwanstaley/status/1640807864007819265?s=46&t=zxzMAmFs-0cHbshoi5JzUQ
dafuq
There's a reason Trump likes him.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 03:35:11 PM
https://twitter.com/antwanstaley/status/1640807864007819265?s=46&t=zxzMAmFs-0cHbshoi5JzUQ
dafuq
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did Woody kill Antwan?
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2023, 03:38:20 PM
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did Woody kill Antwan?
Staley quoting Woody in some weird monologue about how Jets fans want to kill him.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 03:45:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 03:47:03 PM
Staley quoting Woody in some weird monologue about how Jets fans want to kill him.
#KillWoody
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2023, 03:58:43 PM
#KillWoody"When I go in the parking lot every week and I think the fans are going to kill me and they maybe have a right to kill me, they’re so optimistic."
Post by: Coach K on March 28, 2023, 04:16:02 PM
Robert Deniro is a jets fan obsessed with Rodgers
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Tons of teams could be looking to move back this year to acquire future draft picks. I think we'll be one of those teams.
I don't think so. I think we're more likely to dip into future draft capital than we are to acquire it.
There's been a seismic shift in the way Joe Douglas has structured contracts from his first few seasons to the past year. Just about every extension and free agency contract he negotiated in the first years had relatively painless escape clauses after the first two seasons with little or no dead money on the books.
However, going back to CJ Mosley's restructure last offseason, Joe has been DUMPING signing and restructure bonus money into the tail end of these contracts in dead years. Like literally every contract: Mosley, Duane Brown, Hardman, Conklin, Uzomah, JFM's restructure, Lazard, Reed, Tomlinson, Quincy... every single one of them is guaranteed money for multiple years after their contracts run out (exception: Lazard - just one year of dead cap after expiration). It's pretty damned bonkers if you ask me, it's a total about-face from JD's standard operating procedure, and it's an absolute war cry that we are fiscally committing to the two-year window, future fate of the franchise be damned.
So if you're going to willingly sign up for the ensuing salary cap purgatory and the requisite tear-down, why in god's name would you leave your future draft capital on the table? If you're all-in, freaking go all-in. You want to win it all but also soften the hangover after your championship year? That's hubris. You want to mitigate your failure if the Rodgers Era is unsuccessful? Why bother, the whole regime will be gone if that happens.
Take a look at all of the aforementioned contracts - all those juicy orange numbers are cash we'll be paying our guys to play against us or sip mai-tai's on a beach somewhere. This is what mortgaging the future looks like:
(https://i.imgur.com/TVKeeaZ.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 28, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
If the Devils' owner and Magic Johnson can't buy the Commanders maybe they can buy the Jets after Woody's murder victim fantasies come true.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2023, 08:23:42 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/28/woody-johnson-im-not-patient-jets-have-to-win-now/
Public comments are fine. Just don't freak up the negotiation.
This goes back to what I was saying earlier today. Woody's history informs us on his mentality. He wants to win it all right now. He's been like this before, and with a QB coming here by way of Green Bay.
Woody is as irrational as any fan. Except he also has the checkbook and all the actual control.
So if you're going to willingly sign up for the ensuing salary cap purgatory and the requisite tear-down, why in god's name would you leave your future draft capital on the table? If you're all-in, freaking go all-in. You want to win it all but also soften the hangover after your championship year? That's hubris. You want to mitigate your failure if the Rodgers Era is unsuccessful? Why bother, the whole regime will be gone if that happens.
Exactly. No matter what, this team has to win within the Rodgers window (2-3 years, tops). If they do, we all sit back and happily celebrate it from cap hell for 10 years. If they don't, the entire roster gets turned over by the next GM and coach.
There's no reason to save money or stockpile picks. Though I'd happily trade down for extras this year if the opportunity is there.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 29, 2023, 03:16:14 AM
Post by: Cane on March 29, 2023, 03:59:26 PM
Unless you're a team like the Rams who is right on the cusp I don't believe of going all in on a 1 to 2 year window, especially when it won't even make you a top 5 teamTwo second rounders isn’t going all in, nor is giving up second and a first. And even if the latter was, you absolutely bet your derriere I (and any other even remotely logical person) would give up a first round pick for a spot in the Super Bowl.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
Two second rounders isn’t going all in, nor is giving up second and a first. And even if the latter was, you absolutely bet your derriere I (and any other even remotely logical person) would give up a first round pick for a spot in the Super Bowl.
I hate this freaking argument
You make it act like one scenario trys to get to the SB and the rest don't.
It's about having this instant gratification mentality where you feel like you must make a SB in the next two years. Vs maximizing the chances of getting there overall without the timeline restrictions. If you told me I could have a 10% chance the Jets would win a SB in the next 2 years or a 20% chance of winning it in the next 7, I'm going with the latter every freaking day.
I understand that this isn't cut and dry, but the reality is if you pay high for Rodgers, you're going all in on a short window with short term moves and freaking long term success.
I like the idea of Rodgers as a medium value piece that gives us a chance to rebuild Zach and potentially enjoy some short term success.
I don't like him as a SB or bust move. I like him as a move to maximize value catching a HOF talent at the tail end of his career, giving our QB mess a respite, and trying to make this a top 10 team with the hopes that we will get a combination of hot and lucky at the right time and are capable of achieving something special in the playoffs.
I do not support selling your soul to become a top 2 team on paper, where anything short of a SB is a colossal failure. Leaving us in pieces in 2 to 3 years
Post by: Libero_2 on March 29, 2023, 06:01:18 PM
In my eyes we have to push chips in for a QB and either go for Rodgers and add vets around him, or pay a premium to get get a young QB, understanding we have to sell our draft capital off for years to go get a QB we think can win a ring one day.
Post by: reuben on March 29, 2023, 06:11:03 PM
If you told me I could have a 10% chance the Jets would win a SB in the next 2 years or a 20% chance of winning it in the next 7, I'm going with the latter every freaking day.
Yeah, no kidding. Nobody gets a seven year window in the NFL.
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2023, 06:35:07 PM
DCM, at what point do you feel “close enough” to push the envelope and go for it?
When we're up 49-0 with :10 on the clock in the AFCCG, then it's safe to go all-in.
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2023, 06:57:25 PM
It's about having this instant gratification mentality
You.... you do know we're fans of the New York Jets, right? There are many things you can accuse of, many not very complimentary, but chasing instant gratification is one of the weirder ones I can think of.
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2023, 06:59:36 PM
Yeah, no kidding. Nobody gets a seven year window in the NFL.
You either get your very short 1-2 year windows or the forever window of having a Mahomes or Burrow
Post by: Cane on March 29, 2023, 07:18:53 PM
I hate this freaking argumentI hate the argument that trading two second round picks is “mortgaging the future”. That’s just stupid.
You make it act like one scenario trys to get to the SB and the rest don't.
It's about having this instant gratification mentality where you feel like you must make a SB in the next two years. Vs maximizing the chances of getting there overall without the timeline restrictions. If you told me I could have a 10% chance the Jets would win a SB in the next 2 years or a 20% chance of winning it in the next 7, I'm going with the latter every freaking day.
I understand that this isn't cut and dry, but the reality is if you pay high for Rodgers, you're going all in on a short window with short term moves and freaking long term success.
I like the idea of Rodgers as a medium value piece that gives us a chance to rebuild Zach and potentially enjoy some short term success.
I don't like him as a SB or bust move. I like him as a move to maximize value catching a HOF talent at the tail end of his career, giving our QB mess a respite, and trying to make this a top 10 team with the hopes that we will get a combination of hot and lucky at the right time and are capable of achieving something special in the playoffs.
I do not support selling your soul to become a top 2 team on paper, where anything short of a SB is a colossal failure. Leaving us in pieces in 2 to 3 years
Teams every single year trade future 1s for a better draft pick. Trading two SECOND round picks for a quarterback who will immediately be the best player you’ve ever had at the position is an absolute no brainer. “But one can be a first!” If that condition is making it to the damn Super Bowl, then give that excrement up. Who wouldn’t trade that??
The idea that this trade screws our future is so absolutely nonsensical that it’s hard to imagine a person actually believes it. And of course there are more ways of making the Super Bowl. You know what the best one for us right freaking now is? Trading for Aaron Rodgers. You could sit back for 50 years and not get an opportunity as good as this one.
Of course someone would take a 1/5 chance at winning the Super Bowl over a 7 year span, but the chances of even getting to that percentage are incredibly slim, so it’s an terrible argument to make.
Post by: Coach K on March 29, 2023, 07:36:27 PM
We're gonna eat some dead cap in 25 for Rodgers
Boo hoo
We will also give a couple of draft picks up
DCM you're just sticking your nose up at the present and the only case being made is the future MIGHT be better
Look at our 2nd rd draft pick history. And we're actually one of tbe better drafting teams in recent history lol
I'll trade that all day for at worst above avg qb play from a future HOF .
Pretending we're going to hit on every pick is a easy way to pretend we're making a mistake with draft capital
I'm more amused it's over a 2nd and a conditional .
We're all bored and having redundant convos at this point
Wake me up when the dust settles on the actual trade.
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2023, 11:16:32 PM
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Did not see this posted yesterday
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 05:40:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2023, 05:43:28 PM
The only thing I'll say in defense of the Packers is that if you don't ask, you don't get. Why not make the demand for the #13? Maybe the Jets feel some desperation, or Woody makes a bad business decision and overrules level-headed staff. It was never likely, but there's nothing wrong with giving it a shot.
If it caused the Jets to pivot to Carr or Jimmy it would've been catastrophic for them.
You could also argue at this point that it could cause them to miss out on compensation for this year's draft
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 30, 2023, 06:26:45 PM
The only thing I'll say in defense of the Packers is that if you don't ask, you don't get. Why not make the demand for the #13? Maybe the Jets feel some desperation, or Woody makes a bad business decision and overrules level-headed staff. It was never likely, but there's nothing wrong with giving it a shot.
i understand what you mean and they are free to start off discussions by asking such a price, but the reason why this deal isn't done already is likely because they've been persistent about either a 1st or 2nd round pick. to ask such a price for a 39 year old QB who may very well retire in a year who they've publicly moved on from and who has publicly stated he wishes to come play for us and wishes the packers to facilitate such a move is very.......scummy, let alone unreasonable.
however none of the dumb talking heads on espn will every say such, it's all been about how the packers have all this imaginary leverage despite all of the above
i wish i could put money down somewhere on them not coming away with a 2023 2nd round pick from us
Post by: Libero_2 on March 30, 2023, 07:51:46 PM
Did not see this posted yesterday
I still suspect the offer that got leaked is from the Packers, trying to convince the jets to go that high. We haven’t opened up about anything, that offer sure didn’t come from us, that’s for sure
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2023, 07:56:20 PM
I still suspect the offer that got leaked is from the Packers, trying to convince the jets to go that high. We haven’t opened up about anything, that offer sure didn’t come from us, that’s for sure
which offer?
Post by: Libero_2 on March 30, 2023, 08:56:59 PM
which offer?2 in 23 and a 2 in 24 (base 2nd that could escalate to a one.)
To me that seems like a lot to give up as a baseline for a guy who could have a good season, we got 11-5 and lose in the wildcard round and then retire. I’m happy to pay another 2nd for a deep playoff run and a first for an SB appearance. But in that leaked deal I’d Rodgers gets hurt, we still owe them another 2nd which to me seems to be awful protections to put on a future pick that GB basically has to accept anyways since they have to deal him.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 09:32:17 PM
If it caused the Jets to pivot to Carr or Jimmy it would've been catastrophic for them.
You could also argue at this point that it could cause them to miss out on compensation for this year's draft
There was a framework for the deal before Rodgers was allowed to talk to us. Now that all non-Jackson options are off the table, what's the harm in trying to squeeze more from the Jets? It's not like we're going to walk away.
Heismanberg made a good point recently and it got me thinking, maybe they don't want picks this year. Maybe they'd rather "miss out" on picks this year, sell it to the fanbase that they're trying to "maximize returns", and get the ammo for next year's draft after they tank 2023.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 09:39:25 PM
i understand what you mean and they are free to start off discussions by asking such a price, but the reason why this deal isn't done already is likely because they've been persistent about either a 1st or 2nd round pick. to ask such a price for a 39 year old QB who may very well retire in a year who they've publicly moved on from and who has publicly stated he wishes to come play for us and wishes the packers to facilitate such a move is very.......scummy, let alone unreasonable.
however none of the dumb talking heads on espn will every say such, it's all been about how the packers have all this imaginary leverage despite all of the above
i wish i could put money down somewhere on them not coming away with a 2023 2nd round pick from us
To be clear, continuing to hold things up, if not for specifically trying to get more next year, is petty and unreasonable.
My only point was that there's no harm in asking. You don't get what you don't ask for. So ask big and let them work you down. Obviously, have a realistic goal, but aim high to start.
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2023, 09:46:51 PM
There was a framework for the deal before Rodgers was allowed to talk to us. Now that all non-Jackson options are off the table, what's the harm in trying to squeeze more from the Jets? It's not like we're going to walk away.They can take a 2024 1st and a conditional 3rd in 2025
Heismanberg made a good point recently and it got me thinking, maybe they don't want picks this year. Maybe they'd rather "miss out" on picks this year, sell it to the fanbase that they're trying to "maximize returns", and get the ammo for next year's draft after they tank 2023.
I'll take 3 top 50s this yr for the push . They can take 22 to 32 in 24 if it helps their ego . And if Rodgers plays in 24 or wins us anything idgaf if we lose something in 25
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2023, 10:25:39 PM
I'd stand firm on no 1sts and definitely the 2nd pick has to be conditional .
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2023, 10:36:21 PM
Ultimately they don't have leverage . They can excrement the bed and have the fan base down their throats for not assisting love or have Rodgers show up and make it a PR hell .
I'd stand firm on no 1sts and definitely the 2nd pick has to be conditional .
They can take a 2024 1st and a conditional 3rd in 2025
I'll take 3 top 50s this yr for the push . They can take 22 to 32 in 24 if it helps their ego . And if Rodgers plays in 24 or wins us anything idgaf if we lose something in 25
Make up your mind
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2023, 11:52:48 PM
Make up your mindHahaha I was spitballing what next year could look like . I've taken a hard stance for weeks now you don't give up a first for anyone his age who has one leg out the door
Unless it's some conditional like him being an MVP or us having a SB appearance
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2023, 12:07:01 AM
They can take a 2024 1st and a conditional 3rd in 2025
What's more valuable, #13 in a shitty draft this year or a pick in the late 20s or 30s in a better class next year?
Post by: Jumbo on March 31, 2023, 12:17:06 AM
What's more valuable, #13 in a shitty draft this year or a pick in the late 20s or 30s in a better class next year?
#13 this year, not even taking into account the time value of draft picks. Even the best drafts are going to barely have 30 first round caliber guys, this one, even if you call it only 15, you'll still grab a first round caliber guy at 13
Post by: Coach K on March 31, 2023, 12:17:16 AM
I think its easy to romanticize mock drafts. We need players now and if JD is gonna keep his job he can draft well regardless .
What's more valuable, #13 in a shitty draft this year or a pick in the late 20s or 30s in a better class next year?
Nobody next yr is gonna help block for Rodgers jf Rodgers is on his back all year and decides to go do shrooms in 24 because a freaking ancient Duane brown off a torn shoulder and becton were our plan
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2023, 04:35:00 AM
We need players now
Comes down to this for me.
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2023, 07:57:23 AM
#13 this year, not even taking into account the time value of draft picks. Even the best drafts are going to barely have 30 first round caliber guys, this one, even if you call it only 15, you'll still grab a first round caliber guy at 13
I think its easy to romanticize mock drafts. We need players now and if JD is gonna keep his job he can draft well regardless .
Nobody next yr is gonna help block for Rodgers jf Rodgers is on his back all year and decides to go do shrooms in 24 because a freaking ancient Duane brown off a torn shoulder and becton were our plan
I agree, and I'm sure the Packers do as well. So I don't buy the whole "Packers are happy to wait and not have picks until next year" argument.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 31, 2023, 08:58:34 AM
They can take a 2024 1st and a conditional 3rd in 2025
I'll take 3 top 50s this yr for the push . They can take 22 to 32 in 24 if it helps their ego . And if Rodgers plays in 24 or wins us anything idgaf if we lose something in 25
To be clear, I wouldn't give them jack excrement. They'll take what we give them because we have all the leverage. They said they were done with him, he said he's done with them, and he wants to play here.
My singular point was: it never hurt them to throw an absolute joke of an ask on the table. The deal is getting done, and neither side is walking away. So they should ask for the moon and work down from there. That's good business. Carrying on, if not with the intent of getting the move pushed to next year, is bad business.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 31, 2023, 09:00:59 AM
To be clear, I wouldn't give them jack excrement. They'll take what we give them because we have all the leverage. They said they were done with him, he said he's done with them, and he wants to play here.
My singular point was: it never hurt them to throw an absolute joke of an ask on the table. The deal is getting done, and neither side is walking away. So they should ask for the moon and work down from there. That's good business. Carrying on, if not with the intent of getting the move pushed to next year, is bad business.
Agreed. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
It's not like these two teams are constantly in business to where one side is worried about retaining credibility with the other. The only leverage the Packers have is that they really don't have to get something done until camp. They may as well use it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 31, 2023, 11:29:14 AM
I agree, and I'm sure the Packers do as well. So I don't buy the whole "Packers are happy to wait and not have picks until next year" argument.The only way that would make any semblance of sense is if the Jets are really lowballing the Packers in these offers, and the Packers want to try to wait them out to see if we get impatient.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 31, 2023, 07:29:51 PM
We need players now
Comes down to this for me.
this is why i continue to harp on the idea that we are not offering even our 2nd rounders this year in a trade to the packers.
there's an obvious concern that aaron may retire after this season. with that in mind it would make sense to put all of our eggs into this season. players for this season.
we seem to be addressing skill players via FA. Joe D is going to keep those 3 top 50 picks and beef up the trenches, OT/C/DL.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 02:35:34 PM
My suggestion: The Jets trade a 2023 second-round pick (No. 42) and a 2024 conditional fourth-rounder, which goes to a third if he plays 50% of the snaps, a second if they make the playoffs and a first if they make the Super Bowl. That 2024 pick would follow the same criteria from the Brett Favre trade in 2008. If Rodgers plays only one year, the Jets recoup a 2025 third-round pick.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 02, 2023, 03:05:03 PM
Suggestion from Cimini, which seems pretty fair to both sides, awfully similar to the Favre deal
My suggestion: The Jets trade a 2023 second-round pick (No. 42) and a 2024 conditional fourth-rounder, which goes to a third if he plays 50% of the snaps, a second if they make the playoffs and a first if they make the Super Bowl. That 2024 pick would follow the same criteria from the Brett Favre trade in 2008. If Rodgers plays only one year, the Jets recoup a 2025 third-round pick.
he's basically copy/pasta - ing the already floating rumored trade set up. cimini has no inside knowledge as none of our beat writers have any inside knowledge within our organization (LMAO), and the originator of that specific trade setup likely has no inside knowledge either.
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 03:31:05 PM
Suggestion from Cimini, which seems pretty fair to both sides, awfully similar to the Favre dealSure, let's do it.
My suggestion: The Jets trade a 2023 second-round pick (No. 42) and a 2024 conditional fourth-rounder, which goes to a third if he plays 50% of the snaps, a second if they make the playoffs and a first if they make the Super Bowl. That 2024 pick would follow the same criteria from the Brett Favre trade in 2008. If Rodgers plays only one year, the Jets recoup a 2025 third-round pick.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 03:39:00 PM
he's basically copy/pasta - ing the already floating rumored trade set up. cimini has no inside knowledge as none of our beat writers have any inside knowledge within our organization (LMAO), and the originator of that specific trade setup likely has no inside knowledge either.
It was his suggestion. Wasn't supposed to be some topic secret insider info
Post by: Libero_2 on April 02, 2023, 03:52:55 PM
Suggestion from Cimini, which seems pretty fair to both sides, awfully similar to the Favre deal
My suggestion: The Jets trade a 2023 second-round pick (No. 42) and a 2024 conditional fourth-rounder, which goes to a third if he plays 50% of the snaps, a second if they make the playoffs and a first if they make the Super Bowl. That 2024 pick would follow the same criteria from the Brett Favre trade in 2008. If Rodgers plays only one year, the Jets recoup a 2025 third-round pick.
I’d rather flip it.
4th in 2023
Conditional 3rd in 24, becomes a 2 with 50% PT and Playoffs, first if we win the AFC.
4th comes back to us in 2025 if he retires after 23.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 02, 2023, 04:17:05 PM
I’d rather flip it.
4th in 2023
Conditional 3rd in 24, becomes a 2 with 50% PT and Playoffs, first if we win the AFC.
i firmly believe this is the sort of deal douglas is trying to manufacture, based off his past MO with draft pick trades/trades involving 'stars' and the sense that we seem to be going 'all in' for this year.
i don't think he'll let either of those 2nd round picks go. he's going to want to tool up for this year. maybe that means we give up a 2nd next year.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 05:58:31 PM
I noticed according to some website that we have two extra 4th round picks in 2024
Anyone know if this is true? I don't recall this happening
Post by: Libero_2 on April 02, 2023, 06:39:21 PM
My instinct is if we have an extra second I wouldn't mind trading one to spread out the love on a year to year basis.
I noticed according to some website that we have two extra 4th round picks in 2024
Anyone know if this is true? I don't recall this happening
We traded with the Broncos for our 2024 5th and whatever pass rusher we dealt at the deadline for their 4th. So that should be the extra 4th
Post by: casman02 on April 02, 2023, 06:40:05 PM
My instinct is if we have an extra second I wouldn't mind trading one to spread out the love on a year to year basis.
I noticed according to some website that we have two extra 4th round picks in 2024
Anyone know if this is true? I don't recall this happening
They have Denver's 4th.
They traded their 5th to Denver in the same deal along with Josh Martin
They do not have their 7th in the Chuck Clark deal
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 08:44:16 PM
https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1642673111794425857?t=b9KFJYV94_QobMx6dqYJ3w&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2023, 09:26:47 PM
Vaguely sourced rumor from seemingly legitimate sources. Says it will get done before the draft.
https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1642673111794425857?t=b9KFJYV94_QobMx6dqYJ3w&s=19
Heis gon be mad you linking them.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 02, 2023, 10:14:31 PM
Heis gon be mad you linking them.
Correct
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 10:17:30 PM
Correcthttps://youtu.be/6htT-aVJup4
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2023, 07:37:51 AM
I hate this freaking argument
You make it act like one scenario trys to get to the SB and the rest don't.
It's about having this instant gratification mentality where you feel like you must make a SB in the next two years. Vs maximizing the chances of getting there overall without the timeline restrictions. If you told me I could have a 10% chance the Jets would win a SB in the next 2 years or a 20% chance of winning it in the next 7, I'm going with the latter every freaking day.
I understand that this isn't cut and dry, but the reality is if you pay high for Rodgers, you're going all in on a short window with short term moves and freaking long term success.
I like the idea of Rodgers as a medium value piece that gives us a chance to rebuild Zach and potentially enjoy some short term success.
I don't like him as a SB or bust move. I like him as a move to maximize value catching a HOF talent at the tail end of his career, giving our QB mess a respite, and trying to make this a top 10 team with the hopes that we will get a combination of hot and lucky at the right time and are capable of achieving something special in the playoffs.
I do not support selling your soul to become a top 2 team on paper, where anything short of a SB is a colossal failure. Leaving us in pieces in 2 to 3 years
The New York Jets, noted bastions of long term success
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2023, 07:39:17 AM
Hopefully we don’t make any moves that would get us to the playoffs, wouldn’t want that! Think about the team 6 years from now!
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 04, 2023, 08:29:23 AM
Idk what dcm has been watching but for anyone that needs to know we have the longest playoff drought of any team in the major 4 sports. The Sacramento freaking Kings just cucked us.
Hopefully we don’t make any moves that would get us to the playoffs, wouldn’t want that! Think about the team 6 years from now!
Thank you!
What have we accomplished in 2 decades of cap savings and draft pick hoarding? "Oh just wait till next FA when we can sign [insert name of great player who will never even visit Florham Park]!"
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2023, 10:32:36 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 04, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
https://twitter.com/TheCartonShow/status/1643245660152446977?t=F8RBJ7qpsbm1brFdwGTcuA&s=19
GB trying to drive up the price
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2023, 10:41:51 AM
GB trying to drive up the priceJD is impervious to this
Post by: Johnny English on April 04, 2023, 10:43:07 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 04, 2023, 10:46:31 AM
This whole thing is stupid. Just finish the deal already and let's all move forward without all this nonsense.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 04, 2023, 11:26:50 AM
GB trying to drive up the price
It’s media games like this that GB is playing that have me convinced that JD is offering them Pennie’s on the dollar compared to even what that Yahoo Sports report was a week ago. 2 2s and a give back 3? SF would take that in an instant.
I still be he’s offering a 4 this year and a conditional pick next year that is essentially the Favre pick. 4 for existing, 3 for 50% of the snaps, 2 for the playoffs and 75% of snaps and 1 for the AFC Crown with Rodgers playing.
GB is desperate to save face, because they know they are up excrement creek without a paddle and if they say yes right now, they will be crucified by national media and their fans. Problem is JDs offer isn’t going up, he knows not to bid against himself. I mean hell if I had to guess if GB doesn’t say yes by the draft, JDs offer of a conditional next year remains the same and they just lose out on the 2023 4th.
I don’t know anything, but given that GB has to do this deal, it only makes sense that they are trying to get Douglas to up his offer with all the media games. SF is a bad team to pick though, since Saleh has so many ties over there. All he has to do is call Shannahan and ask if they are in on Rodgers (which they aren’t, because why both signing Sam and waiting until now anyways) to confirm it’s just media games that GB continues to play.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 04, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
Post by: delavan on April 04, 2023, 03:14:12 PM
Really just want to see the "Packers have all the leverage" people eat crow at this point.^ This. leverage this...
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Post by: Libero_2 on April 07, 2023, 08:39:40 PM
I think JD is hammered, but this still seems awesome
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 07, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 07, 2023, 09:42:49 PM
I really, really hope that doesn't count as tampering.I mean we're in open trade talks it's no subterfuge we were granted permission to talk to him
Hahaha
If anything JD is hammered lol I'd be more worried about leverage
Then again maybe this shits in the final hours and they know it'll get done
But yeah I don't see how it's tampering to say the guy you want to trade for will be on the roster
If anything JD just sounds as dumb as Gut pretty much saying if things go as planned he won't be in GB lol
Post by: Coach K on April 07, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
I'd imagine it's not tampering. Unless our HC and GM are now mentally retarded. Lol
Post by: Libero_2 on April 07, 2023, 09:58:48 PM
Saleh also said something at a public event
I'd imagine it's not tampering. Unless our HC and GM are now mentally retarded. Lol
If things were said before we had negotiations with Rodgers and GB it might be different. But I’d say it’s pretty hard right now to suggest that comment by JD after over a month of negotiations (and Rodgers publicly saying he wants to be a Jet) is “the reason” Rodgers wants to leave GB for NY.
Post by: Coach K on April 07, 2023, 10:11:27 PM
If things were said before we had negotiations with Rodgers and GB it might be different. But I’d say it’s pretty hard right now to suggest that comment by JD after over a month of negotiations (and Rodgers publicly saying he wants to be a Jet) is “the reason” Rodgers wants to leave GB for NY.I'm not concerned . It is funny to see JD clearly blasted though lol
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2023, 06:45:07 AM
I really, really hope that doesn't count as tampering.
Technically it could be construed as tampering: "Any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media." However, tampering requires the other team to make a complaint to the NFL, and given the Packers want him gone as much as we want him here they're not going to make a thing out of it.
Post by: MBGreen on April 08, 2023, 07:39:38 AM
Post by: insanity on April 08, 2023, 10:54:06 AM
Hammered or not, no way JD says something like that unless the deal is done. I expect to hear something soon.One would hope. He'd get killed by the fans now if he didn't land rodgers....drunken stupidity could equal leverage lost
Post by: delavan on April 08, 2023, 11:02:23 AM
I'm not concerned . It is funny to see JD clearly blasted though lol
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1644512206459904001
I think JD is hammered, but this still seems awesome
....drunken stupidity could equal leverage lost
What’s with the Scot McCloughan talk?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2023, 12:39:03 PM
Hammered or not, no way JD says something like that unless the deal is done. I expect to hear something soon.
I expect to see something before the draft but that's it.
I don't think there's any expectation things are a done deal
Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2023, 12:40:43 PM
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Rich Cimini
Some context: This was a lighthearted moment at a private WFAN event. Douglas, being a good guest, was playing to a pro-Jets crowd. From my understanding, nothing has changed re: trade talks since the NFL meetings in Phoenix, where Douglas told reporters he was "very optimistic"
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 08, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Hammered or not, no way JD says something like that unless the deal is done. I expect to hear something soon.
i'm not sure if a deal is done but he's at the very least very confident that the packers don't have any other options, and the only reason he'd say anything like this is if it wouldn't affect the price he wants to pay for rodgers.
it's looking like JD is going to get his price
Post by: Libero_2 on April 08, 2023, 01:44:37 PM
Also this
AKA sobered up Joe put out some feelers to the media in his own way.
Post by: MBGreen on April 08, 2023, 02:22:38 PM
i'm not sure if a deal is done but he's at the very least very confident that the packers don't have any other options, and the only reason he'd say anything like this is if it wouldn't affect the price he wants to pay for rodgers.
it's looking like JD is going to get his price
I never had a doubt JD would get his price...he always does.
Post by: delavan on April 08, 2023, 04:37:12 PM
I never had a doubt JD would get his price...he always does.
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Post by: delavan on April 08, 2023, 04:51:02 PM
https://www.nfl.com/_amp/four-round-2023-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-round-4
Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2023, 05:14:47 PM
And I feel like that's probably overpaying
Post by: Libero_2 on April 08, 2023, 05:43:03 PM
This guy has JD handing GB both 2nd round picks
https://www.nfl.com/_amp/four-round-2023-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-round-4
Lots of people have since we dealt Moore for a 2. I don’t think that’s going to be the deal at all. If it is, I’d wager Douglas will fight like hell to trade out of 13 for basically anything he can get since we don’t pick again until day 3.
I still expect it to be a 4th this year, and a conditional 3 (2 or 1) depending upon team success next year.
Post by: reuben on April 08, 2023, 05:46:04 PM
I think my reasonable max for Rodgers is both seconds for Rodgers and a 3rd
And I feel like that's probably overpaying
It most definitely is. Two high 2's are too much.
Post by: Badger on April 08, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
It most definitely is. Two high 2's are too much.If we give up both of this year's 2s then we should get another pick back from them.
Post by: Coach K on April 08, 2023, 09:23:38 PM
If we give up both of this year's 2s then we should get another pick back from them.Yeah was gonna say they better be throwing us a 3rd and 4th lol
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2023, 08:09:16 AM
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Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
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2m
The #Packers and #Jets haven't been communicating about an Aaron Rodgers trade for weeks, per @AdamSchefter
"Both sides now appear to be dug in."
"My understanding is there hasn't been a whole lot of conversation, if any, over the last couple of weeks."
lol
Post by: Coach K on April 12, 2023, 01:25:00 PM
He wants as much help as possible this yr clearly
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 03:25:32 PM
Greeny said he heard Rodgers told jets he won't arrive till may anyways lol so don't fork over a ton and wait lol
He wants as much help as possible this yr clearly
If I’m Douglas, no reason to do anything else. 4th rounder this year and a conditional pick next year (Favre conditions) and that’s it. You expect to give up a 2 next year, and are happy to give the 1 if we meet those goals. Let’s use those 3 top 50 picks and build this roster out right now.
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2023, 03:34:22 PM
If I’m Douglas, no reason to do anything else. 4th rounder this year and a conditional pick next year (Favre conditions) and that’s it. You expect to give up a 2 next year, and are happy to give the 1 if we meet those goals. Let’s use those 3 top 50 picks and build this roster out right now.Inshallah
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2023, 06:54:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2023, 06:57:58 PM
https://twitter.com/wendellfp/status/1646235224970231813?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgThis Wendell guy is a freaking retard.
Post by: Jumbo on April 12, 2023, 08:02:49 PM
Post by: reuben on April 12, 2023, 09:01:37 PM
https://twitter.com/wendellfp/status/1646235224970231813?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
100% bullshit. No way Gutcunt publicly says they don't need a first if a first is even conceivably on the table.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 09:10:46 PM
100% bullshit. No way Gutcunt publicly says they don't need a first if a first is even conceivably on the table.
And I firmly understand why the Jets, as the only bidder in a buyers market, would be unwilling to part with 2 elite draft assets when there are no other bids on the table. There is no reason for the Jets to put an unprotected 2024 first in the offer. None whatsoever. We are literally bidding against ourselves. I don’t even like the idea of 2 2nds in total because of the situation that we are the only team bidding.
I maintain that my offer would be a 2023 4th and a conditional pick in 2024 that is the Favre conditions. Most likely GB gets a 2, if we make the dance every Jets fan is happy to give away the first. But if something bad happens then we are protected.
I think that all this recent “it won’t even happen by the draft” stuff is because JD has a similar offer out there and the Packers feel like they’d be laughed at by saying yes. So at least if they wait until after the draft they can say “we held out to get the potential of a first round pick” because if they do the deal before the draft the focus will be on the 4th round pick this year in the media. That’s my latest conspiracy theory anyways
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 12, 2023, 10:51:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2023, 12:06:08 AM
I dont think JD wants to embarrass the Packers like that. Obviously he wants best value but Rodgers is worth more than Favre deal.
I'm not convinced of that
Favre played 3 more years, and turned both the Jets and Vikings into legit SB contenders. And I don't recall him having a cracked out cotnract
Meanwhile Rodgers could be done, and could end up being the most expensive 1 year rental in nfl history.
I think Rodgers has stuff in the tank and his recent MVP seasons are there. But I think he's very much a boom or bust pick
Post by: reuben on April 13, 2023, 12:09:09 AM
Rodgers is worth more than Favre deal.
Why? Favre was a year younger, had never missed a game due to injury, and was the only player besides Brady to get an MVP vote in 2007. And he was every inch the unwelcome queynte in Green Bay in 2007 that Rodgers is today.
I know it feels intellectually lazy to say the two situations are identical, but they're freaking identical.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 13, 2023, 05:13:23 AM
Why? Favre was a year younger, had never missed a game due to injury, and was the only player besides Brady to get an MVP vote in 2007. And he was every inch the unwelcome queynte in Green Bay in 2007 that Rodgers is today.
I know it feels intellectually lazy to say the two situations are identical, but they're freaking identical.
There are only two differences in my opinion, and they balance out to make the situations virtually identical.
1. Rodgers wanted to move on before the draft, instead of after /late in the offseason
2. Rodgers contract is one of the worst in nfl history that has ever been traded (assuming of course a trade does end up happening)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 13, 2023, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 13, 2023, 09:28:57 AM
I'm sure Rodgers will enjoy being the center of attention for at least the first two days of the draft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLeAot4Zrxo
Post by: Badger on April 13, 2023, 11:07:41 AM
I'm not convinced of that
Favre played 3 more years, and turned both the Jets and Vikings into legit SB contenders. And I don't recall him having a cracked out cotnract
Meanwhile Rodgers could be done, and could end up being the most expensive 1 year rental in nfl history.
Favre had actually retired though, and came back - Rodgers hasn't gone that far. That Favre played an additional 3 seasons was a surprise.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 13, 2023, 11:56:53 AM
Why? Favre was a year younger, had never missed a game due to injury, and was the only player besides Brady to get an MVP vote in 2007. And he was every inch the unwelcome queynte in Green Bay in 2007 that Rodgers is today.Favre unretired in July, and there were legit questions as to how good Favre was at that point. He was really good in 2007, but people thought he was washed in 2005 and 2006. There were more questions about Favre's ability to still play at an elite level.
I know it feels intellectually lazy to say the two situations are identical, but they're freaking identical.
Post by: Coach K on April 13, 2023, 12:17:41 PM
Favre 508 tds to 336 ints
Yes different eras but to me the difference is Favre is Russian roulette at qb and Rodgers is not lol
Post by: reuben on April 13, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Favre unretired in July, and there were legit questions as to how good Favre was at that point. He was really good in 2007, but people thought he was washed in 2005 and 2006. There were more questions about Favre's ability to still play at an elite level.
Aaron Rodgers just had his worst season as a professional quarterback.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 13, 2023, 07:42:49 PM
heard today that the packers just have to wait until right before the draft to get our 'best and final' offer.
there's no incentive for us to trade for him before the draft, so the packers can't squeeze us by trying to wait it out. they have to trade him at some point, whether it's now or later.
if anything, we're incentivized to wait to trade for him after the draft. that way, we get to keep the 3 top 50 picks to build the lines for rodgers and the D.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2023, 05:00:18 PM
I mean if you're the Packers and you don't trade him by the draft then what?
There's already no market for him, now you'll have even more teams off the board since presumably teams who need a QB will address it during the draft.
Not to mention the freaking cap nightmare it's going to be
I almost feel like at this point you do what the Ravens are doing with Lamar
Let them test the market and see how robust the Rodgers trade market is (for a guy who already freaking stated the Jets are the team he wants to play for)
Post by: reuben on April 14, 2023, 05:42:45 PM
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2023, 06:06:42 PM
This situation is just mind boggling
I mean if you're the Packers and you don't trade him by the draft then what?
Ask a Packers fan this to watch them short circuit.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 14, 2023, 06:11:23 PM
Had a thought: there could already be a deal in place for strictly 2024 draft capital, but both FO's are waiting to see what the board looks like at our slot in the 2nd. If Green Bay sees someone they really like, they can execute the trade for one of those two picks, at a slight discount for us. If they don't see value there, then the trade executes for the 2024 price. We'll have double the time to hash it out on the day, too.
it's likelier that we're just dealing with an unreasonable team and that there is no deal in place. it would fit and make sense when taking into account the obnoxious approach green bay took in 'supporting' their star QB despite all of his expressed frustrations the past few years vis a vis trading away his favorite targets and not using any of their 1st round draft capital to surround him with weapons, all the while using a 1st rounder to draft his qb replacement while still in his prime
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2023, 06:58:22 PM
it's likelier that we're just dealing with an unreasonable team and that there is no deal in place. it would fit and make sense when taking into account the obnoxious approach green bay took in 'supporting' their star QB despite all of his expressed frustrations the past few years vis a vis trading away his favorite targets and not using any of their 1st round draft capital to surround him with weapons, all the while using a 1st rounder to draft his qb replacement while still in his prime
I think at the end of the day the Packers GM is just trying to save face
If he trades us Rodgers for less than this fantasy bounty he's going to get roasted. At least if he draws it out, then it looks like he had no choice and was a desperation move.
I imagine no matter the scenario he gets freaking roasted tis just a matter of how much. I assume there's a possibility as far as GMs go he's a little on the hot seat? Could this push him off the cliff, especially if love stinks)
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 14, 2023, 08:00:21 PM
I assume there's a possibility as far as GMs go he's a little on the hot seat
this is probably in the realm of possibility.
having an asset like rodgers only to take away all of your bargaining power by prematurely stating you don't want him and you're moving on with jordan love was kind of idiotic. then expecting a king's ransom for said same player you publicly exclaimed you have no plans or desire for when there's only one team bidding for him and one team he'll go to is going full retard. these are horrible negotiation tactics
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2023, 08:24:33 AM
Had a thought: there could already be a deal in place for strictly 2024 draft capital, but both FO's are waiting to see what the board looks like at our slot in the 2nd. If Green Bay sees someone they really like, they can execute the trade for one of those two picks, at a slight discount for us. If they don't see value there, then the trade executes for the 2024 price. We'll have double the time to hash it out on the day, too.
I was talking about this other day with someone. They probably have a deal in place but will see if anything makes sense on draft night where they might want to flip picks with each other, and then that would affect whatever 2024's cost would be.
Of all the conspiracy theories, this one seems most logical. It has the potential to give Green Bay the most saving face for what's otherwise been a fiasco.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 19, 2023, 11:17:33 AM
Granted it's from Yardbarker so it's probably nothing but I'm curious as to how Douglas would try and bounce back if the Packers get tired of his hardball tactics and the Titans manage to put together an offer they like.
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2023, 11:21:12 AM
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/titans_have_reached_out_to_packers_on_aaron_rodgers_trade/s1_17150_38706911 (https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/titans_have_reached_out_to_packers_on_aaron_rodgers_trade/s1_17150_38706911)
Granted it's from Yardbarker so it's probably nothing but I'm curious as to how Douglas would try and bounce back if the Packers get tired of his hardball tactics and the Titans manage to put together an offer they like.
i don't think there's anything to see here. that bullshit rumor was started by clueless bloggers.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 19, 2023, 11:25:43 AM
i don't think there's anything to see here. that bullshit rumor was started by clueless bloggers.
Eh, I was more interested in it as a thought exercise than an actual possibility. I haven't had much reason to open this thread since I ran out of trade predictions Coach K could be wrong about.
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2023, 11:27:37 AM
Eh, I was more interested in it as a thought exercise than an actual possibility. I haven't had much reason to open this thread since I ran out of trade predictions Coach K could be wrong about.
I get it.
I'm in debunk mode since we're in that 7 day window for bullshit before the draft.
Post by: Coach K on April 19, 2023, 11:40:24 AM
Eh, I was more interested in it as a thought exercise than an actual possibility. I haven't had much reason to open this thread since I ran out of trade predictions Coach K could be wrong about.I'm not buying it . There'd be more smoke .
This is GB counter to Jets hardball imo.
At this ppint GB probably waiting to see if they even like who's on the board at 42 or 43 before committing to anything
That's how I read it at this point
Now the nightmare is there's truth to this and we end upnwith tannehill and Rodgers in TEN
I doubt Rodgers would want to go there other than the fact he owns property in the state
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2023, 12:23:44 PM
i don't think there's anything to see here. that bullshit rumor was started by clueless bloggers.
Or put out there by the Packers to try and pressure the Jets into blinking.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 19, 2023, 12:31:02 PM
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/titans_have_reached_out_to_packers_on_aaron_rodgers_trade/s1_17150_38706911 (https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/titans_have_reached_out_to_packers_on_aaron_rodgers_trade/s1_17150_38706911)
Granted it's from Yardbarker so it's probably nothing but I'm curious as to how Douglas would try and bounce back if the Packers get tired of his hardball tactics and the Titans manage to put together an offer they like.
Presumably Douglas has talked to Rodgers and knows how much Rodgers hates the Packers
Rodgers has publicly came out and said he wants to play for the Jets. If Rodgers gets traded anywhere but the Jets this means the Packers win and Rodgers loses,
I assume Douglas knows this and has faith in Rodgers to be the best weapon for us in negotiations with the Packers
Not to mention because of Rodgers age, desire to retire "soon" and horrible contract. It's not like anyone could offer to sweeten up his contract.
The only thing I could potentially see someone wooing Rodgers away would be a near guaranteed SB.
Which would mean a guy like Mahomes would have to get hurt like today, and the Chiefs would have to come at him hard.
TLDR have faith in Rodgers spite and desire to win the chess match
Post by: Coach K on April 19, 2023, 01:24:07 PM
Or put out there by the Packers to try and pressure the Jets into blinking.Bingo
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
Bingo
this one is pretty low brow. The Packers should probably up their smokescreen game if they're actually responsible for this (which i don't think they are).
Post by: Coach K on April 19, 2023, 03:08:16 PM
this one is pretty low brow. The Packers should probably up their smokescreen game if they're actually responsible for this (which i don't think they are).Well the source isn't credible it's an anyanamous GM opinion being cited lol m
If it's not GB it's just conjecture for clicks lol
Post by: Libero_2 on April 19, 2023, 03:39:51 PM
this one is pretty low brow. The Packers should probably up their smokescreen game if they're actually responsible for this (which i don't think they are).
How is this different than the SF rumors that Carton floated around a couple weeks ago? How is it different than the Packers putting out there the first week that it would be 2 first rounders, and then it would be a one and a two, then two twos and then a two and unprotected one, and somewhere in the middle it was a 3 and an unprotected 1 before the 90% retired comment.
We know that none of that smoke is coming from us, because we’d be talking waaaayyyyy lower values. So yes I think the Pack has been playing media games behind the scenes this entire time. Why stop now?
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2023, 04:04:14 PM
an anyanamous GM opinion
A freaking what
Post by: Heismanberg on April 19, 2023, 04:57:40 PM
A freaking what
lmao
Post by: Coach K on April 19, 2023, 06:13:55 PM
Rofl looks like it saved a drunken typo in my phone and I just hit enter
A freaking what
I was on break and posted that rofl
Not shocked anymore . God forbid I delete them
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 19, 2023, 07:09:19 PM
The field: This source is bad!!!!!
Post by: Coach K on April 19, 2023, 09:56:08 PM
Me: After weeks of no deal I wonder what happens if this falls through.If the deal falls through they probably offer to take on tannehill or draft hooker in rd 2 if he's there.
The field: This source is bad!!!!!
But at this ppint JD should commit seppuku if it falls through unless we hear they wanted something mind blowing like multiple 1sts ans players
Basically the Packers fans dumb ideas .
Post by: Libero_2 on April 19, 2023, 10:27:37 PM
If there was ever going to be another team, they’d already be in. Rodgers is also a stubborn guy, he’s not about to change his mind and suddenly go back on his “I plan to play for the Jets” statement.
We are all bored, all tired and all going at least a little crazy waiting for it to become a reality. But it will happen. I just hope it ends up happening May 1st so we keep our picks.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2023, 01:56:40 AM
If Rodgers stays in Green Bay the Jets likely go after Love
If Rodgers goes to the Titans the Jets likely go after Tannehill
Of Rodgers goes to the 49ers I imagine the Jets go after Lance/Purdy.
The most feasible Rodgers destinations all have QB's they'll need to get rid of with connections to jets coaching staff.
Of course the most important thing to remember is Rodgers freaking hates the Packers leadership and has publicly stated his intention to play for the Jets. Which means any scenario where Rodgers plays for any team but the Jets, means that the Packers win and Rodgers lost.
So I'd say the odds are overwhelmingly ridiculous that Rodgers plays for the Jets next year.
If Rodgers comes out and says something bad (or good?) about transgender people maybe some bizarre riot picket mob bullshit happens and be becomes untradeable.
But right now I think even imagine any scenario but Rodgers to the Jets is ridiculous
I think the worst Rodgers scenario on the table is we overpay or he decides to retire
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2023, 08:21:19 AM
If the deal falls through the Jets presumably roll with Zach and find a consolation prize.
If Rodgers stays in Green Bay the Jets likely go after Love
If Rodgers goes to the Titans the Jets likely go after Tannehill
Of Rodgers goes to the 49ers I imagine the Jets go after Lance/Purdy.
The most feasible Rodgers destinations all have QB's they'll need to get rid of with connections to jets coaching staff.
Of course the most important thing to remember is Rodgers freaking hates the Packers leadership and has publicly stated his intention to play for the Jets. Which means any scenario where Rodgers plays for any team but the Jets, means that the Packers win and Rodgers lost.
So I'd say the odds are overwhelmingly ridiculous that Rodgers plays for the Jets next year.
If Rodgers comes out and says something bad (or good?) about transgender people maybe some bizarre riot picket mob bullshit happens and be becomes untradeable.
But right now I think even imagine any scenario but Rodgers to the Jets is ridiculous
I think the worst Rodgers scenario on the table is we overpay or he decides to retire
what the freak is this?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 20, 2023, 11:44:02 AM
what the freak is this?
If the deal falls through the Jets presumably roll with Zach and find a consolation prize.
If Rodgers stays in Green Bay the Jets likely go after Love
If Rodgers goes to the Titans the Jets likely go after Tannehill
Of Rodgers goes to the 49ers I imagine the Jets go after Lance/Purdy.
The most feasible Rodgers destinations all have QB's they'll need to get rid of with connections to jets coaching staff.
Of course the most important thing to remember is Rodgers freaking hates the Packers leadership and has publicly stated his intention to play for the Jets. Which means any scenario where Rodgers plays for any team but the Jets, means that the Packers win and Rodgers lost.
So I'd say the odds are overwhelmingly ridiculous that Rodgers plays for the Jets next year.
If Rodgers comes out and says something bad (or good?) about transgender people maybe some bizarre riot picket mob bullshit happens and be becomes untradeable.
But right now I think even imagine any scenario but Rodgers to the Jets is ridiculous
I think the worst Rodgers scenario on the table is we overpay or he decides to retire
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2023, 11:51:54 AM
If the deal falls through the Jets presumably roll with Zach and find a consolation prize.
If Rodgers stays in Green Bay the Jets likely go after Love
If Rodgers goes to the Titans the Jets likely go after Tannehill
Of Rodgers goes to the 49ers I imagine the Jets go after Lance/Purdy.
The most feasible Rodgers destinations all have QB's they'll need to get rid of with connections to jets coaching staff.
Of course the most important thing to remember is Rodgers freaking hates the Packers leadership and has publicly stated his intention to play for the Jets. Which means any scenario where Rodgers plays for any team but the Jets, means that the Packers win and Rodgers lost.
So I'd say the odds are overwhelmingly ridiculous that Rodgers plays for the Jets next year.
If Rodgers comes out and says something bad (or good?) about transgender people maybe some bizarre riot picket mob bullshit happens and be becomes untradeable.
But right now I think even imagine any scenario but Rodgers to the Jets is ridiculous
I think the worst Rodgers scenario on the table is we overpay or he decides to retire
u krazy, blu...watchu doin!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 20, 2023, 12:52:05 PM
People need something to talk about so it's either endless debates over "who has the leverage" or "how Rodgers can end up with a different team".
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2023, 01:39:11 PM
The most annoying part of this whole saga for me has been having to listen to all the theories about how this will blow up in our faces when, in reality, nothing has changed since Rodgers announced his intentions to play for us and the only thing that's been holding this up is the lack of a real deadline.
People need something to talk about so it's either endless debates over "who has the leverage" or "how Rodgers can end up with a different team".
my twitter timeline is poisoned with dumbass Packer fans with some of the worst takes on football (not just Rodgers) i've ever seen....all because of this neverending Rodgers saga.
Post by: reuben on April 20, 2023, 03:52:44 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1649086195211681797 (https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1649086195211681797)
The only people who think this deal isn't done are the fans. The writers just know a free meal when they see one.
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2023, 05:15:45 PM
If Rodgers comes out and says something bad (or good?) about transgender people
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2023, 06:37:40 PM
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Obnoxious unnecessary comment (on my part)
But the point is the probability of nightmare scenarios is so freaking low it's stupid worrying about.
Performance on the field and trade compensation are the only things really worth worrying about.
I suppose you could potentially also worry about the trade not happening until way later than we would all like. But I think Rodgers has the capability to make the Packers seriously regret such a decision.
At the end of the day Rodgers being as much of an obnoxious diva as possible is a huge boon to us (right now at least)
Post by: reuben on April 20, 2023, 06:58:12 PM
But the point is the probability of nightmare scenarios is so freaking low it's stupid worrying about.
See but then you go obsessively enumerating the scenarios at three in the morning and it makes me think we need to call somebody for you.
Post by: delavan on April 21, 2023, 04:32:29 PM
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Post by: delavan on April 22, 2023, 12:28:12 PM
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Post by: Coach K on April 22, 2023, 03:11:30 PM
Anything new on the Rodgers front? ...Every team is calling GB
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Post by: Badger on April 23, 2023, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2023, 02:52:59 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 23, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
I think both sides have some degree of leverage (and lack of leverage), but you would think that the draft would be a bigger deadline for the Packers than the Jets.
I would say so. It’s better for us for this weekend to pass and not get done. So much so if I am JD I’d set a deadline a couple days out and say “we need to finalize our draft plans” and let them sort it out later.
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2023, 03:25:24 PM
Post by: reuben on April 23, 2023, 03:35:31 PM
Or they can just agree a deal in principle that the Packers can pull the trigger on on Friday if the board falls with a player they want there, and let it roll if there's nothing they really want at 42 and take the picks next year instead.
This.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 23, 2023, 04:25:04 PM
I think both sides have some degree of leverage (and lack of leverage), but you would think that the draft would be a bigger deadline for the Packers than the Jets.
this means that the packers know they are up against a wall and should try to get a trade done before the draft, meaning they don't have leverage. we're obviously down to making a trade but it doesn't have to be this week. it benefits us if the trade occurs beyond this week. the packers also get some benefit if they wait until after June 1, but if the above report is true then they're the ones picking up the phone to try to get a deal done for 2023 picks.
i still contend joe D will be able to hold onto 3 top 50 picks.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 23, 2023, 04:33:21 PM
The longer this drags out the more desperate the Packers get and the more time the Jets have to work on a contingency.
I really feel like the Packers should be getting fucked on this one
Post by: delavan on April 23, 2023, 05:07:50 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 11:20:17 AM
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According to the 36-year old Campbell, current Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers attempted to recruit the six-time Pro Bowl lineman to New York.
"It was kind of crazy because Aaron Rodgers texted me. He’s like, ‘Yo, come on man, let’s go win a championship together,' and it was appealing to have Aaron Rodgers text you," recounted Campbell
Of course he just went and signed with Atlanta anyway for a'" nearly identical contract" so who knows
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 01:09:10 PM
Probably speculating on the obvious
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AARON RODGERS
QB, GREEN BAY PACKERS
Aaron Rodgers
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Aaron Rodgers' trade to the Jets "should be done" this week.
Rapoport noted that after a dormant period of negotiations, things are heating up between the Jets and the Packers again. He added that the Packers are expected to receive a second-round pick, meaning the deal has to be done before Friday. It sounds like the neverending saga of Rodgers making his way to New York is concluding, though we have been down this road before. A deal should be done before the end of the week, though nothing is guaranteed at this point.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 01:20:16 PM
Or they can just agree a deal in principle that the Packers can pull the trigger on on Friday if the board falls with a player they want there, and let it roll if there's nothing they really want at 42 and take the picks next year instead.
This would be bad business for Green Bay. They would be sitting around waiting (and hoping) for a particular player to fall to them at 42. They could potentially move up for a number of prospects if this trade gets done before the draft.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 01:24:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 03:20:15 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2023, 03:21:32 PM
If this is the deal, why the hell did this take weeks to execute?
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 03:21:34 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2023, 03:22:16 PM
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2023, 03:23:19 PM
Too much
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 03:23:56 PM
Conditional 2024 first is annoying without anything back in 2025.
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2023, 03:26:56 PM
More conditions should've been attached to next years pick.
Something tells me in the end Woody stepped in and forced their hand.
Post by: casman02 on April 24, 2023, 03:27:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 03:28:47 PM
If Rodgers plays for us next year, I am satisfied
This
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 03:28:58 PM
I'm pulling the trigger on season tickets this afternoon.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 03:29:21 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
We also just took ourselves out of range for OT2/OT3.
It's not like OT2/3 worked out for us last time.
I absolutely hate that conditional being tied to playing time this season and not roster status next season.
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2023, 03:32:42 PM
I can not believe that the best QB to wear a Jets jersey in most of our lifetimes is finally signed and you're all complaining about giving up a few places in next year's draft. Miserable fucks.
I'm pulling the trigger on season tickets this afternoon.
You should have done it last year when you guaranteed the playoffs.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 24, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
One and done, not great
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2023, 03:34:02 PM
It's not like OT2/3 worked out for us last time.
I absolutely hate that conditional being tied to playing time this season and not roster status next season.
Or at least tied to making playoffs
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2023, 03:36:35 PM
You should have done it last year when you guaranteed the playoffs.
Pulled the trigger a month ago in a PSL section where they waived the PSL. Not sure they'll be doing that now that they have the (Wait for it) LEVERAGE of having Rodgers in the fold.
If you do get seasons, let me know we can tailgate every fuckin home game baby.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
Or at least tied to making playoffs
That would also have been better.
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2023, 03:39:44 PM
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I will take that return all day.
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Not bad Gutey not bad
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IT IS FINISHED.
— I’m actually very satisfied with this deal.
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So a slight pick upgrade, 42nd over all this year, and a 2nd that can become a 1st if Rodgers stays healthy? I'll gladly take that! I thought Jet's fans said we had no "leverage"
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This feels well done by Gute. Basically get a '24 first as long as he doesn't get hurt, right?
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Far better return than I was expecting. Can't complain
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freaking NICE. This is more than I was expecting at this point
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 03:40:56 PM
Pulled the trigger a month ago in a PSL section where they waived the PSL. Not sure they'll be doing that now that they have the (Wait for it) LEVERAGE of having Rodgers in the fold.
If you do get seasons, let me know we can tailgate every fuckin home game baby.
That's what I'm looking at, 200 end zone. Has to be a two year deal though. Where are you?
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 03:44:53 PM
Also Rodgers is going to wear 8. That's going to look weird.
Apparently it's the number he wore at Cal.
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 03:46:43 PM
Dude at the end is SFD's spirit animal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2023, 03:47:39 PM
If this is your first time as a Jets fan, there is a very realistic scenario where Rodgers plays 65% of the snaps, we stink and miss the playoffs, and he retires.
Everything else is fine
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 24, 2023, 03:56:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 03:58:23 PM
I can not believe that the best QB to wear a Jets jersey in most of our lifetimes is finally signed and you're all complaining about giving up a few places in next year's draft. Miserable fucks.Buy me some too
I'm pulling the trigger on season tickets this afternoon.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 24, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
The first needed to have conditions tied to team performance
If this is your first time as a Jets fan, there is a very realistic scenario where Rodgers blows out his ACL walking onto the practice field at Florham park and Zach Wilson is your week 1 starter.
Everything else is fine
#CollapseForCaleb
FYP
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2023, 04:01:56 PM
That's what I'm looking at, 200 end zone. Has to be a two year deal though. Where are you?
I also had to commit to two years. I'm in 148. Solid overhang to avoid the inclement weather, bathrooms right by our section and I purposefully grabbed the last row so if I turn around I have the red zone tron right in front of me. Good for quarter/half time break.
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Buy me some too
I'm buying a pair, you can come sit next to me and defend me from badly dressed opponents.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 04:02:52 PM
Straight garbage trade
Unless some contract voodoo is present where there's 0% chance the 24 doesn't become a 1st
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 04:03:04 PM
I also had to commit to two years. I'm in 148. Solid overhang to avoid the inclement weather, bathrooms right by our section and I purposefully grabbed the last row so if I turn around I have the red zone tron right in front of me. Good for quarter/half time break.
I'm probably going the other direction and getting front row, but overhang is probably a good idea. Also I figured front row would be easy to resell for strong money when I can't make it.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 04:06:33 PM
If we win the superbowl - good trade
If AR plays 2 seasons it's a push
Otherwise this is a loss
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 04:07:44 PM
Consider me dissapointed.
If we win the superbowl - good trade
If AR plays 2 seasons it's a push
Otherwise this is a loss
Actually. I'm holding off info on Financials before I make my decision
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2023, 04:11:15 PM
Super Bowl win is just a “good” trade?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
We also just took ourselves out of range for OT2/OT3.Way too early to say that with any certainty.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 24, 2023, 04:12:37 PM
It's not like OT2/3 worked out for us last time.
I absolutely hate that conditional being tied to playing time this season and not roster status next season.
Exactly this
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 04:14:02 PM
Or even better that this is all fake
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2023, 04:17:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
I also had to commit to two years. I'm in 148. Solid overhang to avoid the inclement weather, bathrooms right by our section and I purposefully grabbed the last row so if I turn around I have the red zone tron right in front of me. Good for quarter/half time break.
Update: I am officially a NYJ season ticket holder. Didn't go front row as I was genuinely scared of getting too drunk and falling over the edge. Am in 203, so same end as you.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 04:22:14 PM
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 04:22:31 PM
Ok I thought I was being a douche but,We will all be happy if the jets win a superbowl.
Super Bowl win is just a “good” trade?
Doesn't change the fact that we bid only against ourselves to leverage our future for what is most likely a 1 year rental.
We traded a 2nd a 4th and the following years 1st for a qb with a contract that has more guarantees per year than any other qb in the league prior to Jalen hurts signing his deal.
It's unbelievably risky. If we win the superbowl it's a good trade but we are hedging a ton of bets that everything goes right this year.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:26:46 PM
Ok I thought I was being a douche but,
Super Bowl win is just a “good” trade?
hahahaha
Post by: delavan on April 24, 2023, 04:33:12 PM
Update: I am officially a NYJ season ticket holder. Didn't go front row as I was genuinely scared of getting too drunk and falling over the edge. Am in 203, so same end as you.Congrats
https://giphy.com/gifs/espn-beer-cheers-aaron-rodgers-x0n0zSBUkV2a6hyc1L
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:42:44 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:47:52 PM
We're clearly all in now and I expect another big move to follow this one.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2023, 04:49:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2023, 04:50:44 PM
We will all be happy if the jets win a superbowl.
Doesn't change the fact that we bid only against ourselves to leverage our future for what is most likely a 1 year rental.
We traded a 2nd a 4th and the following years 1st for a qb with a contract that has more guarantees per year than any other qb in the league prior to Jalen hurts signing his deal.
It's unbelievably risky. If we win the superbowl it's a good trade but we are hedging a ton of bets that everything goes right this year.
I would agree to a trade with literally any conditions if the end result guaranteed 1 (one) SB. Who cares about anything else
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 04:50:51 PM
Might as well go after Hopkins.He doesn't want to play here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2023, 04:51:44 PM
As the 2008 and 2009 TGG.com Draft Guru, I can't stress this enough: freak THEM PICKS
Lmao stop throwing that title around
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:52:15 PM
The concerning part is the 65% playing time condition, but that won't matter much if we are good.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:52:27 PM
Lmao stop throwing that title around
2010* as well
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:53:03 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
We essentially gave up two draft slots and a malcontent 4th string wideout in 2023.
The concerning part is the 65% playing time condition, but that won't matter much if we are good.
65%, jets make the wildcard and win one game before getting knocked out against the Chiefs/Bills on the road. Rodgers retires to further promote vaccine research
1st and a 2nd worth it?
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 04:56:35 PM
2010* as wellThen Grayme took over in 2011
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 04:57:17 PM
65%, jets make the wildcard and win one game before getting knocked out against the Chiefs/Bills on the road. Rodgers retires to further promote vaccine researchThe bills are gonna stink next year
1st and a 2nd worth it?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 04:59:57 PM
To me the only scenarios where this is a good trade is
SB win (despite this move it's possible but a long shot)
This somehow salvages Zach Wilson's career for US
Rodgers plays another 4-5 years of quality football for the Jets
And if you had to pull a number out if your derriere whats the odds of the Jets winning a SB? 5%? Maybe 10% if you're feeling frisky.
The odds of a positive return on this investment are abysmally low. Obviously Rodgers will be the best QB play we've seen on this team probably ever. But for how long
I suppose the only silver lining I can look for is the hope Rodgers plays long enough to get an extension and free agents swarm here to play with him
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 04:59:59 PM
65%, jets make the wildcard and win one game before getting knocked out against the Chiefs/Bills on the road. Rodgers retires to further promote vaccine research
1st and a 2nd worth it?
1st and Elijah Moore*
Absolutely worth it because it gives our young core a taste of success
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:00:53 PM
Then Grayme took over in 2011
No, I launched the counter attack against JTJ and Drew Coleman's Dad to prevent this
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:02:04 PM
No, I launched the counter attack against JTJ and Drew Coleman's Dad to prevent thisCounter UAV?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:03:46 PM
Counter UAV?
Counter UAV followed by the Mortar Strike and a Cluster Mine on his grave
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:06:51 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:08:01 PM
Counter UAV followed by the Mortar Strike and a Cluster Mine on his grave
I like it
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 24, 2023, 05:10:30 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:11:56 PM
I’m 46 years old. Most of us, at least the ones I know, are around the same age. I haven’t seen my team reach the playoffs since I was 33. Of course I’d love to win a Superbowl, something I’ve never done. But to be honest, I want to feel excited again watching my team, feel that we can make it, even if, in the end, we fail. I want to feel excited when my QB drops back, not scared shitless that he throws another INT. I want to not say “yeah I know” when people ask me what’s my team and I tell them. Maybe I’m not ambitious enough but if I have real fun next season the trade will be worth it. It hasn’t happened in ages.
LETS RIDE
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2023, 05:12:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:16:48 PM
Oh no, we might lose a first round pick in the 20s because the top 10 all time QB we just acquired might play too many snaps. Ugh this sucks so bad
Perfectly executed.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:17:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:17:15 PM
I’m 46 years old. Most of us, at least the ones I know, are around the same age. I haven’t seen my team reach the playoffs since I was 33. Of course I’d love to win a Superbowl, something I’ve never done. But to be honest, I want to feel excited again watching my team, feel that we can make it, even if, in the end, we fail. I want to feel excited when my QB drops back, not scared shitless that he throws another INT. I want to not say “yeah I know” when people ask me what’s my team and I tell them. Maybe I’m not ambitious enough but if I have real fun next season the trade will be worth it. It hasn’t happened in ages.
I'll be 46 this fall...i'm ready to win too, man. LFG!
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:17:55 PM
Can't wait for the Raiders game.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:17:55 PM
Can't believe some of you thought we would keep 42 and 43.
I kept hearing we were gonna lose both. Keeping one of those picks is a win.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:18:28 PM
Looking forward to traveling to some road games again this year.
Can't wait for the Raiders game.
Your bowlcut should show up for the tailgate this year....you're past due.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:18:31 PM
I would agree to a trade with literally any conditions if the end result guaranteed 1 (one) SB. Who cares about anything elseBut that end result isn't guaranteed. If you want to judge the value of a trade or any decision for that matter you need to consider all possible outcomes.
The best possible outcome currently has a 7% chance of happening according to Vegas. Compare that to the average outcome and the worst possible outcome. No playoff wins and a fucked salary cap for 2 years.
Would you bet your career (which JD basically is doing) and team success on 7%?
We didn't win this trade.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:19:12 PM
I kept hearing we were gonna lose both. Keeping one of those picks is a win.Delusional Packers fans thought we were giving up 13 and a 1st next year, or giving up 42, 43 and a 1st next year.
Delusional Jets fans thought we were giving up like a 4th.
Granted, when this all started, I did not think Rodgers would cost this much. Once negotiations started, it was clear he would cost a lot more.
I thought Douglas should have done a little better than he did in this trade, but I can't complain too much.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:19:47 PM
Your bowlcut should show up for the tailgate this year....you're past due.
Nvm, I was at the Jaguars game, which was the smaller tailgate. Forgot you did two.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:20:12 PM
But that end result isn't guaranteed. If you want to judge the value of a trade or any decision for that matter you need to consider all possible outcomes.
The best possible outcome currently has a 7% chance of happening according to Vegas. Compare that to the average outcome and the worst possible outcome. No playoff wins and a fucked salary cap for 2 years.
Would you bet your career (which JD basically is doing) and team success on 7%?
We didn't win this trade.
Yes, let's keep the cycle going where our QB play stinks and we don't play meaningful football in Nov/Dec.....
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2023, 05:20:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:20:42 PM
I was literally there this year in the freezing rain.
Nvm, I was at the Jaguars game, which was the smaller tailgate. Forgot you did two.
that wasn't the tailgate game, hoss.
nvm, you figured it out
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:22:08 PM
Delusional Packers fans thought we were giving up 13 and a 1st next year, or giving up 42, 43 and a 1st next year.
Delusional Jets fans thought we were giving up like a 4th.
Granted, when this all started, I did not think Rodgers would cost this much. Once negotiations started, it was clear he would cost a lot more.
I thought Douglas should have done a little better than he did in this trade, but I can't complain too much.
my only criticism of this trade is that Douglas should've protected our 2024 1st rounder a little better. 65% of the snaps isn't great business imo.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 05:22:23 PM
If this was the Packers' price we may not have had a choice, price after the draft could have been even worse.
Yeah we didn't have a choice because the Packers easily could have???
Oh that's right there was literally nothing they could have done.
Keep Rodgers on the bench as the most expensive backup in the history of the nfl (probably all sports) and have a monumental distraction for the guy they hope is their QB of the future in the final year if his contract
Farve 2.0 was unrealistic
But this was just a mugging
I'm still hopeful some kind of favorable conditionals for us end up coming out as this just looks like a excrement trade
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:22:42 PM
We essentially gave up two draft slots and a malcontent 4th string wideout in 2023.I forgot about about that.
The concerning part is the 65% playing time condition, but that won't matter much if we are good.
So the trade was
1st (13)
Elijah moore
3rd
6th
2024 conditional 1st
For
Arod
1st (15)
Mecole Hardman
5th
It's a little better this way.
I still can't believe the 1st in 2024. Fingers crossed GB is paying part of his salary.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:23:10 PM
my only criticism of this trade is that Douglas should've protected our 2024 1st rounder a little better. 65% of the snaps isn't great business imo.Moving down from 13 to 15 seems bad in addition to that.
Was hoping the 1st-rounder would be more conditional. And that we wouldn't move down from 13 to 15.
I'm happy it's all over with, but I don't love what we ultimately gave up.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:23:47 PM
Yeah we didn't have a choice because the Packers easily could have???This is why both sides had leverage. Packers had leverage because they had the player. Jets had leverage because there were no real options to turn to.
Oh that's right there was literally nothing they could have done.
Keep Rodgers on the bench as the most expensive backup in the history of the nfl (probably all sports) and have a monumental distraction for the guy they hope is their QB of the future in the final year if his contract
Packers had the ultimate leverage because they could just hold onto him through camp, and if the Jets weren't willing to wait until after camp was over, then ultimately, they had the slight upper hand.
Part of me wonders if we would have just waited until the Packers' deadline on Sept. 1 or whatever then sign him for nothing.
If the Jets weren't willing to call the Packers' bluff and wait until then, then we had to come to them, at least a little bit.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:24:23 PM
Yeah we didn't have a choice because the Packers easily could have???
Oh that's right there was literally nothing they could have done.
Keep Rodgers on the bench as the most expensive backup in the history of the nfl (probably all sports) and have a monumental distraction for the guy they hope is their QB of the future in the final year if his contract
I love that we acquired Rodgers.
But my first choice was to go after Lamar Jackson which would've been worth 2 first round picks imo. You don't get to complain about this after all the whining and bitching you gave me regarding Jackson. Fans like you are the freaking worst.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:24:55 PM
my only criticism of this trade is that Douglas should've protected our 2024 1st rounder a little better. 65% of the snaps isn't great business imo.So what the freak are you arguing about.
Anyone frustrated by the trade has a problem with this exact part
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:25:48 PM
Moving down from 13 to 15 seems bad in addition to that.
Was hoping the 1st-rounder would be more conditional. And that we wouldn't move down from 13 to 15.
I'm happy it's all over with, but I don't love what we ultimately gave up.
moving down 2 spots doesn't bother me...especially in a supposed subpar draftclass such as this one is apparently. Having said that, be prepared to move down again...i could see Douglas trading back to recoup some capital.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
I love that we acquired Rodgers.
But my first choice was to go after Lamar Jackson which would've been worth 2 first round picks imo. You don't get to complain about this after all the whining and bitching you gave me regarding Jackson. Fans like you are the freaking worst.
My stance has always been clear
Keep Sam freaking Darnold and use the picks to build around him.
At this point the people who wanted to give up 5 1st for Watson aren't looking like lunatics anymore
And imagine a scenario where we end up giving a top 10 pick to GB for this abomination of a deal
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:26:40 PM
So what the freak are you arguing about.
Anyone frustrated by the trade has a problem with this exact part
Because it's not an "oh god, the sky is falling" issue. Go crack open a pepsi and freaking relax.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:27:41 PM
My stance has always been clear
Keep Sam freaking Darnold and use the picks to build around him.
At this point the people who wanted to give up 5 1st for Watson aren't looking like lunatics anymore
holy excrement...hahahahaha
JE is right, your comedic timing is improving.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
If the Jets weren't willing to call the Packers' bluff and wait until then, then we had to come to them, at least a little bit.And that's the problem. We should have done that. Use our 3 top 43 picks this year and deal with the repercussions later
What's the worst that could happen we trade a 1st in 2024 and a 2nd in 2023? I'd much rather have the capital today with rodgers.
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2023, 05:28:40 PM
Yeah we didn't have a choice because the Packers easily could have???
Oh that's right there was literally nothing they could have done.
Keep Rodgers on the bench as the most expensive backup in the history of the nfl (probably all sports) and have a monumental distraction for the guy they hope is their QB of the future in the final year if his contract
Farve 2.0 was unrealistic
But this was just a mugging
I'm still hopeful some kind of favorable conditionals for us end up coming out as this just looks like a excrement trade
Ultimately we did cave, most likely, I don't disagree. GB ultimately had more leverage, depending on $$$ holding him through training camp probably didn't have a significantly different financial impact for them and Woody almost certainly wanted to get this deal done and was not willing to wait for September 1st. It is what it is.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:29:16 PM
And that's the problem. We should have done that. Use our 3 top 43 picks this year and deal with the repercussions later
What's the worst that could happen we trade a 1st in 2024 and a 2nd in 2023? I'd much rather have the capital today with rodgers.
We still have a 2023 first rounder (#15) and one of our 2nd rounders. We're not going to the draft with our dicks in our hands.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:29:40 PM
Because it's not an "oh god, the sky is falling" issue. Go crack open a pepsi and freaking relax.Who said it was?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 24, 2023, 05:30:23 PM
My stance has always been clear
Keep Sam freaking Darnold and use the picks to build around him.
At this point the people who wanted to give up 5 1st for Watson aren't looking like lunatics anymore
And imagine a scenario where we end up giving a top 10 pick to GB for this abomination of a deal
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:30:46 PM
Who said it was?
this is the vibe you're giving....especially with your last post.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:31:06 PM
This post had to be generated by a dumb version of ChatGPT. Please tell me it was.
*still laughing* hahahahaha
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2023, 05:32:11 PM
The only problem I have with the trade is the 65% of snaps this season. Everything else is fine.
On the other hand, Rodgers may have agreed to playing 2 seasons before we pulled the trigger on that, which would be more reassuring.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:32:37 PM
On the other hand, Rodgers may have agreed to playing 2 seasons before we pulled the trigger on that, which would be more reassuring.
I would absolutely love confirmation on this.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:33:02 PM
We still have a 2023 first rounder (#15) and one of our 2nd rounders. We're not going to the draft with our dicks in our hands.I'm very worried that our currently capital doesn't fill enough holes on this roster to easily make a sb run.
We need additional o line talent
We have zero dt depth
Our free safeties are tony adamas and ashtyn davis
We need another rb to give breece time to heal
Our lb talent and depth is not good.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 05:34:05 PM
On the other hand, Rodgers may have agreed to playing 2 seasons before we pulled the trigger on that, which would be more reassuring.
There is absolutely no way that is enforceable, so it really wouldn't mean anything.
He can take a bad hit and decide to retire. He can have a down year, blame the team, and decide to retire. He could just flat out decide to retire.
If it was based on playoff status or 2024 status, I wouldn't be complaining.
But again, it's the only problem I have with it.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:34:54 PM
this is the vibe you're giving....especially with your last post.I said if we win the sb it's a good trade. Otherwise it's bad.
I dont think the sky is falling, but this is far from a feather in JDs cap.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:35:51 PM
I'm very worried that our currently capital doesn't fill enough holes on this roster to easily make a sb run.
We need additional o line talent
We have zero dt depth
Our free safeties are tony adamas and ashtyn davis
We need another rb to give breece time to heal
Our lb talent and depth is not good.
Well, there's a few ways to look at this...because that's a legit concern.
Options:
-Douglas trades back to recoup more picks
-Douglas finds a few UDFA diamonds in the rough to help fill out the roster
-Free Agents are still available to be signed
losing our 6th rounder and one of our 2s isn't going to deep six us.
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2023, 05:37:04 PM
I said if we win the sb it's a good trade. Otherwise it's bad.
I dont think the sky is falling, but this is far from a feather in JDs cap.
If we make it to the SB out of a completely loaded AFC and lose on a fluke, is the trade still an L?
It's only a loss if Rodgers is bad and we still suck. The conference is loaded right now and it's not shameful to lose to Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs or something
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:39:10 PM
I said if we win the sb it's a good trade. Otherwise it's bad.
if we get to the Super Bowl and lose, it's a good trade. If we get to the AFCCG, it's a good trade. Stop thinking like Champ from TGG. Only sith lords and championshipjets69 deal in absolutes.
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I dont think the sky is falling, but this is far from a feather in JDs cap.
he paid a slight premium, but he didn't empty the cupboard. I think some of you need to settle down a tad.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:41:38 PM
If we make it to the SB out of a completely loaded AFC and lose on a fluke, is the trade still an L?Of course it is. We are betting the farm on a 7% chance we win the sb.
It's only a loss if Rodgers is bad and we still suck. The conference is loaded right now and it's not shameful to lose to Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs or something
We will all enjoy the ride, but it's going to put us in a terrible place for the future.
- No 1st round pick in 2024
- The beginning of cap problems that will prohibit us from reisgning key players
- no qb
Fingers crossed. I have 25-1 odds we win the sb btw
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 05:44:16 PM
he paid a slight premium, but he didn't empty the cupboard. I think some of you need to settle down a tad.Its not a slight premium. Its a heavy premium. The fact of the matter is JD caved.
You can't ignore the context here
- This is a trade that will effect us for the next 3 years (salary and picks)
- we bid against ourselves.
We had absolutely nothing to lose.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:46:31 PM
Its not a slight premium. Its a heavy premium. The fact of the matter is JD caved.
You can't ignore the context here
- This is a trade that will effect us for the next 3 years (salary and picks)
- we bid against ourselves.
We had absolutely nothing to lose.
Dude..it's not a heavy premium. Go back to January when all the talking heads were thinking this was going to cost us 2 or 3 first round picks.
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 05:46:47 PM
My stance has always been clear
Keep Sam freaking Darnold and use the picks to build around him.
At this point the people who wanted to give up 5 1st for Watson aren't looking like lunatics anymore
And imagine a scenario where we end up giving a top 10 pick to GB for this abomination of a deal
I am the world's biggest Sam Darnold fan boy, and history has shown us that perhaps those few of us who would have kept him instead of replacing him with Zach weren't quite as unhinged as we were accused of being, but the suggestion that it would have been better to have him and our 2024 first rounder instead of first ballot HoFer and two time League MVP in the last three years Aaron goddamn Rodgers is batshit.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:47:46 PM
No 1st round pick in 2024
These picks have helped us out so much lately
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Moving down from 13 to 15 seems bad in addition to that.
Was hoping the 1st-rounder would be more conditional. And that we wouldn't move down from 13 to 15.
I'm happy it's all over with, but I don't love what we ultimately gave up.
Mina Kimes thinks that the move from 15 to 13 was important for GB because it means they can jump the Patriots for JSN.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:48:39 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:50:40 PM
Moving down from 13 to 15 seems bad in addition to that.
I'd be more upset if this draft was good. It's not.
The 2024 pick is tough because that draft class is incredible on paper. However, if things go our way, we're picking at or towards the end of each round.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 05:51:30 PM
I am the world's biggest Sam Darnold fan boy, and history has shown us that perhaps those few of us who would have kept him instead of replacing him with Zach weren't quite as unhinged as we were accused of being, but the suggestion that it would have been better to have him and our 2024 first rounder instead of first ballot HoFer and two time League MVP in the last three years Aaron goddamn Rodgers is batshit.
You'd also have whatever we could have traded Zach Wilson's pick for.
And you're 100% correct Rodgers is a legendary instant HOF
But I don't think anyone is imaging him staying here more than 2 years.
Darnold is still young enough that there will be rookies older than him
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:51:32 PM
The conference is loaded right now and it's not shameful to lose to Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs or something
Why didn't we just trade for Mahomes?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 05:51:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 05:53:51 PM
The Rams gave up two firsts, a third, and Jared Goff for MAYBE three seasons of Matthew Stafford
The Rams were a top 2 or 3 team when they made that deal to put them over the top
And had they not win a SB that deal would be getting crushed right now.
Rodgers doesn't make us the best team in the AFC, or the 2nd, and probably not the 3rd
I don't think anyone on here is even confident we will win our freaking division with Rodgers
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:54:09 PM
I still think one of the tackles will be there at 15 if that is the direction we are going. It just seemed unnecessary
We'll likely have a shot at Darnell Wright/Peter Skoronski
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:54:41 PM
Why didn't we just trade for Mahomes?
because Jackson Mahomes was also included in the deal.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 05:55:02 PM
And had they not win a SB that deal would be getting crushed right now.
but they did, so STFU
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 05:56:00 PM
The Rams were a top 2 or 3 team when they made that deal to put them over the top
And had they not win a SB that deal would be getting crushed right now.
Rodgers doesn't make us the best team in the AFC, or the 2nd, and probably not the 3rd
I don't think anyone on here is even confident we will win our freaking division with Rodgers
Rodgers elevates our offense to the same level where our defense is.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 05:56:06 PM
but they did, so STFU
And I'm not talking about their deal, I'm talking about our deal.
The Jets have not won a SB with Rodgers
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2023, 05:57:40 PM
Why didn't we just trade for Mahomes?
The Chiefs only have a 16% implied odds to win the playoffs with Mahomes, with us it'd arguably be even lower. Those odds are too low to take a chance on
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 05:58:56 PM
Rodgers doesn't make us the best team in the AFC, or the 2nd, and probably not the 3rd
Rodgers makes us a team that can beat any team in the AFC. We already split last year with the Bills with Wilson and White under center, we can win the division with Rodgers and the improvements to the receiving corps and line.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 06:01:51 PM
Rodgers makes us a team that can beat any team in the AFC. We already split last year with the Bills with Wilson and White under center, we can win the division with Rodgers and the improvements to the receiving corps and line.
I completely agree
Hopefully Rodgers surprises us all and plays longer then we're expecting
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
We'll likely have a shot at Darnell Wright/Peter SkoronskiIf we land a top tackle part of this becomes a moot point.
But there still other shoes that need to drop.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2023, 06:08:19 PM
The Chiefs only have a 16% implied odds to win the playoffs with Mahomes, with us it'd arguably be even lower. Those odds are too low to take a chance onMahomes has 10+ years of career left.
Nice try though
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 06:12:29 PM
Mahomes has 10+ years of career left.
Nice try though
Yeah but if Rodgers plays for 7 more years and wins us a Super Bowl every year, he'll have played a year longer than Brady and have one more ring and officially seal himself as the GOAT.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 06:16:56 PM
We'll likely have a shot at Darnell Wright/Peter Skoronski
Which one is the bigger anime fan?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 06:38:27 PM
I don't love what we gave up. But this roster is good. We have 2 defensive players that arguably could be the best at their position in the NFL next year if things go well. We have an OG, a WR and a RB who have that capability, too.
It's certainly risky, and if it goes poorly, Rodgers is gone a year and we're out a mid-1st. That's a big loss. It isn't franchise crippling, but it hurts.
But the most likely scenario is we're watching a playoff team next year. And this team needs to change the culture for the better. Gotta start winning at some point to do that.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Post by: delavan on April 24, 2023, 07:06:10 PM
We are betting the farm on a 7% chance we win the sb.
Quote from: Jumbo
The Chiefs only have a 16% implied odds to win the playoffsSo percentage-wise the Jets are 16-7 dogs to win the SB? hmm
Post by: Coach K on April 24, 2023, 07:12:20 PM
Im 36 and this is the best chance we've had at a run . So while the conditional portion is meh . Idgaf
Let's beef up the line and front 7 and take the swing
Go big or go home
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 07:35:11 PM
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2023, 07:43:54 PM
If we make an AFCCG appearance it's a push.
Anything less than that and we hope that Rodgers gives us a second season.
Like everyone else, the 65% snaps conditional first is my least favorite part but ultimately it just makes a deep playoff run more imperative. Not only just to get us that close but to devalue the 2024 pick. Hopefully we give them pick 32.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 07:50:08 PM
Maybe we put him in for all the running plays
Post by: casman02 on April 24, 2023, 07:57:55 PM
The Jets last QB to have 10+ TDs was in 2019
The Jest last QB to have 20+ TDs was in 2015
Aaron Rodgers has had 8 30+ TD seasons
(The above is my memory from a tweet read earlier in the day)
Post by: Coach K on April 24, 2023, 08:03:00 PM
If you feel down, just know the Jets are getting a likely highly motivated QB coming 1 year removed from an MVP season playing with arguably his best supporting cast ever.1 season of Fitzpatrick 1 season of Vinny 1 season of Favre and a couple good Penny seasons are like all time franchise stats . Maybe 1 Richard Todd yr
The Jets last QB to have 10+ TDs was in 2019
The Jest last QB to have 20+ TDs was in 2015
Aaron Rodgers has had 8 30+ TD seasons
(The above is my memory from a tweet read earlier in the day)
And Namath holds records here when you could clothesline WRs
So yeah a 40 yr old Rodgers still light years better than anything we've seen.
Even a top 3 pick with JD didn't work nor did Sam so im not gonna pretend I'm not psyched over 1 caveat I wish was better
Toast and enjoy it gentlemen
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2023, 08:18:03 PM
1 season of Fitzpatrick 1 season of Vinny 1 season of Favre and a couple good Penny seasons are like all time franchise stats . Maybe 1 Richard Todd yr
And Namath holds records here when you could clothesline WRs
Let's not forget O'Brien's 25:8 year.
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2023, 08:44:55 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 24, 2023, 08:54:59 PM
that 2024 first rounder is essentially gone and it's not tied to any contingencies centered around playoff success or rodgers longevity with the team. that's horrible.
they also pick before us in both the first two rounds now, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that they pick a player we wanted to pick at each respective spot. there isn't any way to build 'don't draft a guy we want with these picks' language into a trade deal. some of their team needs overlap with ours.
woody caved and forced a move.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 09:08:11 PM
i'm happy we have aaron and i'm dumb for convincing myself we'd keep our top 43 picks, but i still think we gave up way, way too much. we didn't even need to make a trade this week. the packers did. we could have literally waited one week. we bid against ourselves and nobody else would have given up this amount of draft capital.Doesn't sound like you're happy
that 2024 first rounder is essentially gone and it's not tied to any contingencies centered around playoff success or rodgers longevity with the team. that's horrible.
they also pick before us in both the first two rounds now, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that they pick a player we wanted to pick at each respective spot. there isn't any way to build 'don't draft a guy we want with these picks' language into a trade deal. some of their team needs overlap with ours.
woody caved and forced a move.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 24, 2023, 09:20:02 PM
In the end, trade value wise, this is roughly a mid first round pick in value overall.
I’m with H, it feels like we have another move coming. I have no idea what, and would obviously need to be a trade as no more big FAs available. I also think that we are absolutely going to be buyers at the deadline. Oh Mike Evans can be had for a 4th? Xavier McKinney won’t be back with the Giants and we can kick them a 5? You want to trade Chase Young for a 6th because he has injury issues and you are gonna lose him for nothing? We will be involved in all of those discussions in search of the right mix of talent for the final push.leave NO stone unturned as we search for the finishing touches
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 24, 2023, 09:29:37 PM
Doesn't sound like you're happy
i think it's a lot and it's hard to stomach right now, but also trying to bright side it and look at the big picture.
we're going all in this year. we now have aaron rodgers. he makes everybody on our offense better. GW, conklin, uzomah, breece (when back), etc. he's always done well with getting production out of young guys, and i think we can get the next level out of GW (and see new production from guys like ruckert). we've added lazard. also, one of the things that's been lost with the news of the trade is that corey davis wasn't a part of the deal and is still, at this time, a weapon for the team.
we have aaron rodgers. we still have the 15th and 43rd picks. i'm sure douglas is betting on being able to hit on both of those picks, the way he was able to with our early picks last year. we become extremely well off and well equipped if we add quality, starter production from those two picks to pair with rodgers.
i'm also wondering now whether part of the reason why JD waited up until this point was to feel comfortable with snagging one of the top 4 OL with #15. it's hard to estimate how that plays out further away from the draft.
we have some potential versatility and 'plug and play' options around the line, and knowing this, maybe JD isn't enamored with any one OL prospect given the flexibility we possibly have here. between brown, AVT, mekhi, mitchell, and one of PJJ/skoronski/wright/jones, JD probably feels confident that we can find 2 starting tackles and one starting guard from that group (with mcgovern at C and tomlinson at the other G spot manning the rest of the line).
we're going all in for this year. we draft well at 15 and 43, and the 1st next year essentially becomes a 2nd rounder anyways.
with the amount we gave up i also wouldn't be surprised if rodgers isn't as expensive as we thought he'd be contract wise.
good move for the team.
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 09:40:19 PM
i think it's a lot and it's hard to stomach right now
No. No it isn't. This is an awesome day.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 24, 2023, 09:43:57 PM
No. No it isn't. This is an awesome day.
literally read the rest of my post GRANDPA I HATE YOU
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 09:59:14 PM
literally read the rest of my post GRANDPA I HATE YOU
Oh no, we might lose a first round pick in the 20s because the top 10 all time QB we just acquired might play too many snaps. Ugh this sucks so bad
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 11:13:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2023, 11:16:27 PM
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2023, 11:17:59 PM
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Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2023, 04:28:38 AM
Aaron Rodgers gets more out of every player on this team. They now all know what's at stake.
I remember the stories of Bay Bay Thomas and other Broncos talking about how completely different it was the second Peyton walked in the building. This is going to be the exact same thing. It’s bust derriere and put up or shut up time at 1 Jets Drive. I have to believe most of those guys will respond positively.
Just give me the most entertaining and exciting season of Jets football in a decade. If we go beyond that, then it’s all gravy.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 06:09:05 AM
What if Rodgers is effective for 4 more years?
then our next tailgate will be at the local darkness retreat.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 06:51:57 AM
at least we're consistent.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 07:14:07 AM
@RapSheet
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For his 2023 salary, the #Jets picking up Aaron Rodgers’ already guaranteed option bonus of $58.3M means that it converts to a signing bonus for cap reasons -- creating $43.7M of cap space and making his 2023 hit $15.7M.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 25, 2023, 08:12:18 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1650828488998285312?s=20
at least we're consistent.
I look forward to his future sexting scandal involving a team employee.
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2023, 08:40:04 AM
Ian RapoportThis language confuses me. We aren't creating cap space we are just altering how much we pay him this year correct?
@RapSheet
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For his 2023 salary, the #Jets picking up Aaron Rodgers’ already guaranteed option bonus of $58.3M means that it converts to a signing bonus for cap reasons -- creating $43.7M of cap space and making his 2023 hit $15.7M.
We had 8mil in cap space and now we have -7mil, correct?
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 08:42:51 AM
LFG
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 08:45:38 AM
This language confuses me. We aren't creating cap space we are just altering how much we pay him this year correct?
We had 8mil in cap space and now we have -7mil, correct?
Correct. Although Mosley's $17M is easily restructured, and Davis, Lawson and Whitehead can free up $33M between them if they're cut or traded (I suspect only Davis is a genuine candidate for that). My guess is that Q's deal will be a lot of cash up front but keep the cap hit as low as possible over this year and next, and coincide the big hit with Rodgers' likely departure and a rookie QB replacing him.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 08:49:28 AM
coincide the big hit with Rodgers' likely departure
not sure how likely that is right now
I think he's gearing up for two seasons
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 08:52:14 AM
We were fucked at QB this year. This trade is absolutley worth it even if it just makes us contenders over the next couple years.
What’s the hypothetical alternative you’re upset you’re missing out on? The same awful excrement we’ve been through for the last 10 years straight? Talking about the 2024 Draft by October? I think that’s what it is, we’re so conditioned to cling to our 1st round picks so we have something to fantasize about when the season immediately goes to dogshit. Try and enjoy the season this year guys
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 08:54:37 AM
Jets fans talking about how the trade was a failure if we don’t win a SB…. When we have the longest PLAYOFF drought of any freaking franchise out there
We were fucked at QB this year. This trade is absolutley worth it even if it just makes us contenders over the next couple years.
What’s the hypothetical alternative you’re upset you’re missing out on? The same awful excrement we’ve been through for the last 10 years straight? Jets fans are so unserious sometimes
Packer fans prancing around like they just fleeced us out of 4 first round picks is more annoying.
I hope Jordan Love plays like a turnip, just to spite that dumbfuck fanbase.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 08:58:03 AM
not sure how likely that is right now
I think he's gearing up for two seasons
I was talking about two seasons, hence I said "keep the cap hit as low as possible over this year and next".
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 08:59:00 AM
I was talking about two seasons, hence I said "keep the cap hit as low as possible over this year and next".
i should've been more clear in my post. Rappaport reported Rodgers' current deal. It's going to change and become more team friendly.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 09:10:51 AM
I was talking about two seasons, hence I said "keep the cap hit as low as possible over this year and next".
LETS RIDE
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 09:12:36 AM
We were fucked at QB this year
We've been fucked at QB for most of the team's history. Sometimes it's time to switch it up.
I saw some analytics nerd saying we gave up the equivalence of the 3rd overall pick in this deal. Yeah, we should definitely trade up into the Top 5 AGAIN for a QB. That's worked out well for us in the past.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 09:18:05 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 09:21:11 AM
We should go see the Phins/Jets again for the tailgate game. I want to see that kid drop his nachos again in front of his dad while Rodgers is throwing bombs to GDub.
Scut Farkus Jr.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 09:24:10 AM
Scut Farkus Jr.
the best part was me laughing at that kid when it happened and LJF's brother shaking his head in disbelief.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 25, 2023, 09:27:23 AM
We've been fucked at QB for most of the team's history. Sometimes it's time to switch it up.
I saw some analytics nerd saying we gave up the equivalence of the 3rd overall pick in this deal. Yeah, we should definitely trade up into the Top 5 AGAIN for a QB. That's worked out well for us in the past.
Exactly.
Maybe we did...but this team couldn't draft a QB if their lives were at stake, so who cares?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
the best part was me laughing at that kid when it happened and LJF's brother shaking his head in disbelief.
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Post by: Jumbo on April 25, 2023, 09:38:31 AM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 10:08:28 AM
What’s the hypothetical alternative you’re upset you’re missing out on? The same awful excrement we’ve been through for the last 10 years straight? Talking about the 2024 Draft by October? I think that’s what it is, we’re so conditioned to cling to our 1st round picks so we have something to fantasize about when the season immediately goes to dogshit. Try and enjoy the season this year guys
Kinda my argument lately. People worrying "What about the CAP?!" Who cares? We sell out for a few years. Yeah, maybe we sit in cap hell from 2025 through 2029. Okay? How have the millions we roll over every year paid off?
Future draft picks and money don't exist. Today does. And Aaron Rodgers is a Jet today.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 10:14:38 AM
Corey Davis...I'm looking at you, babbie
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2023, 10:37:40 AM
Kinda my argument lately. People worrying "What about the CAP?!" Who cares? We sell out for a few years. Yeah, maybe we sit in cap hell from 2025 through 2029. Okay? How have the millions we roll over every year paid off?All of that can be true while also acknowledging joe Douglas overpaid.
Future draft picks and money don't exist. Today does. And Aaron Rodgers is a Jet today.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 10:49:05 AM
All of that can be true while also acknowledging joe Douglas overpaid.
I don't know how you can say he overpaid.
If we win the Super Bowl this year, it's worth so much more than any picks in any draft. If we even make the playoffs, it's better than we've been in over a decade of extremely high draft picks. Also, making the playoffs devalues next year's picks.
We can certainly have a more informed conversation about it in 10 months, but right now it's really hard for me to accept an argument that Joe D overpaid.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 10:49:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 10:51:12 AM
the Rex Ryan hype train
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2023, 11:16:38 AM
I don't know how you can say he overpaid.The teams success shouldn't impact the perception of whether the trade was good or not.
If we win the Super Bowl this year, it's worth so much more than any picks in any draft. If we even make the playoffs, it's better than we've been in over a decade of extremely high draft picks. Also, making the playoffs devalues next year's picks.
We can certainly have a more informed conversation about it in 10 months, but right now it's really hard for me to accept an argument that Joe D overpaid.
The quality of the trade should be based on what was given up vs the other options and the context of the situation (competition for Rodgers, leverage of the jets, rodgers salary, guaranteed length of stay with the jets ).
Im happy we have rodgers and im excited for the season, but Giving up a first next year based on playing time alone is JD caving. It wasn't necessary
Post by: Jumbo on April 25, 2023, 11:20:23 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 11:20:27 AM
The teams success shouldn't impact the perception of whether the trade was good or not.
The quality of the trade should be based on what was given up vs the other options and the context of the situation (competition for Rodgers and leverage of the jets).
Giving up a first next year based on playing time alone is JD caving.
How about a different angle?
The deal today is the deal that was in place before Rodgers said he'd like to play here. Once he said that, Joe D tried to pull some of it back thanks to new leverage, so GB said nope, a deal's a deal.
We have no idea what the background is. And personally, I don't care. We can't evaluate the success or failure of this trade until we see the results over the next couple of years.
Example, Jamal Adams was a decent trade up front, genius in hindsight.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 11:21:44 AM
The teams success shouldn't impact the perception of whether the trade was good or not.
Counterpoint: it's literally the only criterion that matters.
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Im happy we have rodgers and im excited for the season, but Giving up a first next year based on playing time alone is JD caving. It wasn't necessary
Maybe you're right. Maybe Joe just got bored and said "freak it, have what you want, I've got to get a flight to Nashville". I doubt it though.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 12:21:22 PM
I'm not exactly on the JD GODKING bandwagon but I'm pretty sure Woody pushed for the move to happen sooner than later and caused us to cave, because that would be a very Woody moveWould not surprise me at all, though I like to think Woody and JD had plenty of time to formulate a plan.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 12:23:58 PM
The teams success shouldn't impact the perception of whether the trade was good or not.
Winning is all that matters
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 12:24:08 PM
The teams success shouldn't impact the perception of whether the trade was good or not.
The quality of the trade should be based on what was given up vs the other options and the context of the situation (competition for Rodgers, leverage of the jets, rodgers salary, guaranteed length of stay with the jets ).
Im happy we have rodgers and im excited for the season, but Giving up a first next year based on playing time alone is JD caving. It wasn't necessary
Why wouldn’t it? If Rodgers has an MVP season next year, are you still upset with what we gave up?
There’s the possibility that he’s either washed or the Jets roster/staff around him aren’t good enough to win, but those are risks we should be willing to accept as Jets fans.
This is a super nitpicky argument because you can’t seriously think that a TBD first round pick next year gives us a better chance to win within the next few years than an established, legitimate QB.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 12:30:45 PM
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2023, 12:45:57 PM
Counterpoint: it's literally the only criterion that matters.
False its an improper KPI
There is a difference between making a good decision and making a good deal. A good decision is judged on the outcome. And good deal is judged on the context of the situation.
Let's use the housing market as an example.
If you buy a house for $500k and the market goes up 100% in 5 years you made a good decision
But if you paid $500k for the house in a market when demand is high and the going rate for houses in that market with similar Sq ft, condition, and bedrooms was $400k.
You made a bad deal.
This was a good decision. We are in a position to win now, and we were aggressive. With that said, I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd give a 2nd and a 1st for rodgers when you are negotiating against yourself. Specifically, specifically, at this time of the league year. There is zero reason why you need to pull the trigger today. It's a bad deal.
It's not terrible. I'm not calling for Joe's head. I'm simply calling out that this is not a deal where we won. We lost this deal.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 12:46:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 12:47:33 PM
If Rodgers only plays 1 year at a high level, we probably need to win the Super Bowl to make it worth it.
If he plays 2-3 years at a high level, then the deal is a lot more palatable and potentially even a good or great deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 12:47:41 PM
False its an improper KPI
There is a difference between making a good decision and making a good deal. A good decision is judged on the outcome. And good deal is judged on the context of the situation.
Let's use the housing market as an example.
If you buy a house for $500k and the market goes up 100% in 5 years you made a good decision
But if you paid $500k for the house in a market when demand is high and the going rate for houses in that market with similar Sq ft, condition, and bedrooms was $400k.
You made a bad deal.
This was a good decision. We are in a position to win now, and we were aggressive. With that said, I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd give a 2nd and a 1st for rodgers when you are negotiating against yourself. Specifically at this time of the league year. There is zero reason why you need to pull the trigger today. It's a bad deal.
It's not terrible. I'm not calling for Joe's head. I'm simply calling out that this is not a deal where we won. We lost this deal.
Touch grass
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 12:48:28 PM
False its an improper KPI
There is a difference between making a good decision and making a good deal. A good decision is based on the outcome. And good deal is based on the context of the situation.
Let's use the housing market as an example.
If you buy a house for $500k and the market goes up 100% in 5 years you made a good decision
But if you paid $500k for the house in a market when demand is high and the going rate for houses in that market with similar Sq ft, condition, and bedrooms was $400k.
You made a bad deal.
This was a good decision. We are in a position to win now, and we were aggressive. With that said, I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd give a 2nd and a 1st for rodgers when you are negotiating against yourself. Specifically at this time of the league year. There is zero reason why you need to pull the trigger today. It's a bad deal.
It's not terrible. I'm not calling for Joe's head. I'm simply calling out that this is not a deal where we won. We lost this deal.
we haven't lost this deal.
I'm the biggest Joe Douglas mark on this board, and even I know not every trade he makes is going to be a fleece. I think you need to look at the bigger picture.
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 12:48:40 PM
Touch grass
lmao
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 12:50:04 PM
False its an improper KPI
There is a difference between making a good decision and making a good deal. A good decision is based on the outcome. And good deal is based on the context of the situation.
Let's use the housing market as an example.
If you buy a house for $500k and the market goes up 100% in 5 years you made a good decision
But if you paid $500k for the house in a market when demand is high and the going rate for houses in that market with similar Sq ft, condition, and bedrooms was $400k.
You made a bad deal.
This was a good decision. We are in a position to win now, and we were aggressive. With that said, I cannot for the life of me understand why you'd give a 2nd and a 1st for rodgers when you are negotiating against yourself. Specifically at this time of the league year. There is zero reason why you need to pull the trigger today. It's a bad deal.
It's not terrible. I'm not calling for Joe's head. I'm simply calling out that this is not a deal where we won. We lost this deal.
But your housing market analogy falls down because in the housing market you can pull up comparables, whereas football players - especially elite ones - are a unique commodity. You're just assuming that we could have got Rodgers for less because you want to believe it, but unlike a real estate database there's absolutely no datapoint that proves it.
Your hypothesis is basically that either Douglas didn't have the balls to hold out for the best deal, or didn't recognise that there was a better one to be done, but that you can see there clearly was. I put it to you that that is a highly flawed position.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2023, 01:25:04 PM
But your housing market analogy falls down because in the housing market you can pull up comparables, whereas football players - especially elite ones - are a unique commodity. You're just assuming that we could have got Rodgers for less because you want to believe it, but unlike a real estate database there's absolutely no datapoint that proves it.
Your hypothesis is basically that either Douglas didn't have the balls to hold out for the best deal, or didn't recognise that there was a better one to be done, but that you can see there clearly was. I put it to you that that is a highly flawed position.
I won't harp on the JD thing as it is what it is
But JD absolutely showed he has zero freaking balls and made what appears to be a poor value move. It's easy to ignore everything and point out how elite Rodgers was and hope he can be again.
But nobody is saying wow the Jets got a great deal. It's the Packers did a great job on this one. We all know QB's can hit a wall when they get old, and the worrying thought we could give up a 2nd, top 10 pick, and be crippled in future cap years for a one year rental isn't good
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 01:31:34 PM
I won't harp on the JD thing as it is what it is
But JD absolutely showed he has zero freaking balls and made what appears to be a poor value move. It's easy to ignore everything and point out how elite Rodgers was and hope he can be again.
But nobody is saying wow the Jets got a great deal. It's the Packers did a great job on this one. We all know QB's can hit a wall when they get old, and the worrying thought we could give up a 2nd, top 10 pick, and be crippled in future cap years for a one year rental is warming
are you really this misinformed?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2023, 01:49:18 PM
are you really this misinformed?
I am
Is Rodgers actually 32 years old?
Dammit
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 01:50:16 PM
I am
Is Rodgers actually 32 years old?
Dammit
he's still playing like he is...
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 02:06:47 PM
Pretty dead on IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC7iKYaDr_w&pp=ygUQZnJhbmNlc2Egcm9kZ2Vycw%3D%3D
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 02:27:45 PM
Only way we have a shot at taking down Mahomes/Allen/Burrow etc. is with a top QB on our team. We keep waiting around for future year picks to develop and a QB to fall in our laps and we waste the best core on a Jets team we’ve had in years
Post by: Laxin on April 25, 2023, 02:38:38 PM
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2023, 02:55:40 PM
You're just assuming that we could have got Rodgers for less because you want to believe it, but unlike a real estate database there's absolutely no datapoint that proves it.We do know this though.
If we didn't make the trade he would still be on the packers next week, probably next month. Demand drives price. If there are no other bidders the house is priced above market.
Your hypothesis is basically that either Douglas didn't have the balls to hold out for the best deal, or didn't recognise that there was a better one to be done, but that you can see there clearly was. I put it to you that that is a highly flawed position.
There was no benefit to trading for rodgers before the draft. It only helped out the packers so they can get draft capital this year. You could keep all your picks this year and trade a first in 2024 and a 1st in 2025, which I wouldn't do, but it still would have technically been better value than what they walked away with while also creating a better team for 2023.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 03:08:00 PM
1000% speculation on my part but the way he worded it made me think the Packers wanted a guaranteed 1st and not a conditional one.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 03:13:36 PM
We do know this though.
If we didn't make the trade he would still be on the packers next week, probably next month. Demand drives price. If there are no other bidders the house is priced above market.
There was no benefit to trading for rodgers before the draft. It only helped out the packers so they can get draft capital this year. You could keep all your picks this year and trade a first in 2024 and a 1st in 2025, which I wouldn't do, but it still would have technically been better value than what they walked away with while also creating a better team for 2023.
If you’re going with that, the Packers could have waited until September to trade us Rodgers. Right? There’s no added benefit to them trading him until they had to.
At some point we needed to get Rodgers in the building to get our cap sorted and complete our offseason. Getting him to restructure his contract now and participate in OTAs is probably worth whatever negligible draft value you’re worried about
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 03:21:05 PM
Only way we have a shot at taking down Mahomes/Allen/Burrow etc. is with a top QB on our team.
Nope, should've traded up for Will Levis
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 25, 2023, 03:21:24 PM
Had to listen to the Pope's take on the Rodgers trade.
Pretty dead on IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC7iKYaDr_w&pp=ygUQZnJhbmNlc2Egcm9kZ2Vycw%3D%3D
He wants Jets to take Michael Mayer at 15
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 03:23:48 PM
He wants Jets to take Michael Mayer at 15
I'd be very cool with that. We'd have to move Conk or Uzo for a mid-rounder for it to make sense though.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 03:27:11 PM
He wants Jets to take Michael Mayer at 15I turned it off before that excrement take.
Taking tight ends in round 1 is generally bad process. You want guys at premium positions in round 1. I can maybe make an exception for a freakish athlete at TE. But I am 100% against Mayer anywhere on Day 1. And yes, I know Conk and CJ may be gone next year and we may need a tight end. I can worry about that next year, and that's why we took Ruckert.
Post by: Jumbo on April 25, 2023, 03:29:30 PM
I turned it off before that excrement take.
Taking tight ends in round 1 is generally bad process. You want guys at premium positions in round 1. I can maybe make an exception for a freakish athlete at TE. But I am 100% against Mayer anywhere on Day 1. And yes, I know Conk and CJ may be gone next year and we may need a tight end. I can worry about that next year, and that's why we took Ruckert.
I have no faith in Ruckert but in this class especially if you want a TE it can wait until Round 2. Take a premium player Round 1.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 03:35:49 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 03:53:22 PM
We are nearly a year removed from a draft where we spent three first round picks on players. Two of which won ROY.
We need to win ball games, not stockpile draft picks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 04:38:29 PM
If he plays 2 years and is a top-10 QB, then it's worth it. And he has the upside to be better.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 04:42:58 PM
The only reason to really be upset about this trade is the lack of certainty that Rodgers will be both effective and play multiple seasons.
If he plays 2 years and is a top-10 QB, then it's worth it. And he has the upside to be better.
That guy in your avatar can now be the next Davante Adams
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
That guy in your avatar can now be the next Davante AdamsWhich is part of why I don't think we need to draft another pass catcher early. Aaron Rodgers should lift the level of our pass catchers.
Of course, the Packers thought that last year, and it didn't really work. But the Packers didn't have Garrett Wilson. He is a star right now. I don't love Lazard as a WR2, but he's good enough. Same with Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman. And all can play a role, and all can be elevated by our QB. Same with Conklin and Uzomah. It's an average TE group, but it's competent.
I wouldn't mind adding a guy on Day 3 for depth and injury insurance, but I don't think we should be targeting a WR early, especially in a mediocre WR draft from what I can tell.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 04:54:39 PM
That guy in your avatar can now be the next Davante Adams
I've seen that comparison a couple of times now.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 04:56:57 PM
Which is part of why I don't think we need to draft another pass catcher early. Aaron Rodgers should lift the level of our pass catchers.
Of course, the Packers thought that last year, and it didn't really work. But the Packers didn't have Garrett Wilson. He is a star right now. I don't love Lazard as a WR2, but he's good enough. Same with Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman. And all can play a role, and all can be elevated by our QB. Same with Conklin and Uzomah. It's an average TE group, but it's competent.
I wouldn't mind adding a guy on Day 3 for depth and injury insurance, but I don't think we should be targeting a WR early, especially in a mediocre WR draft from what I can tell.
There are still a couple of reasonable vets out there who can potentially be had for not much, if we can make cap work - Nuk is available for trade, and Cobb is waiting for the phone to ring.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
Aaron Rodgers should lift the level of our pass catchers.
That's why he wanted out of Green Bay.
Post by: reuben on April 25, 2023, 05:20:43 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
If we take a wide receiver in round one I'd very much appreciate it if Aaron Rodgers announced the pick and then flipped off the Green Bay front office.
He'll kick the Make-A-Wish kid off stage to do this
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 05:26:44 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2023, 06:01:24 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2023, 06:08:51 PM
We have a QB now. Draft another pass catcher (I don't care if it's a TE) or pass protector.thoughts on Bijan Robinson? We want an elite playmaker? A guy to pair with Breece Hall and extend both guys career by limiting touches but not erasing explosiveness?
I’m really curious who could make our offense more dynamic right now than Robinson would that could realistically be added at this point in the offseason
I keep flashing back to “Playmakers baby” and who is the biggest playmaker in the draft? Robinson
Remember the two back sets last year with Hall and Carter? Upgrade Carter with Robinson.
4 deep at WR, 3 deep at TE, 2 deep at RB with capable NFL playmakers would make us one of the most dynamic groups in the league, with Rodgers pulling the trigger? Um freaking hell yes
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 06:11:52 PM
thoughts on Bijan Robinson? We want an elite playmaker?
I would take Bijan over JSN
Don't think it'll happen
Post by: casman02 on April 25, 2023, 06:13:57 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2023, 06:14:33 PM
I would take Bijan over JSN
Don't think it'll happen
I don’t either… but I can’t get that image of JD and “playmakers baby” out of my mind. Who is the best playmaker in the class? I don’t think it’s close honestly.
Post by: reuben on April 25, 2023, 06:22:57 PM
thoughts on Bijan Robinson? We want an elite playmaker? A guy to pair with Breece Hall and extend both guys career by limiting touches but not erasing explosiveness?
I’m really curious who could make our offense more dynamic right now than Robinson would that could realistically be added at this point in the offseason
I keep flashing back to “Playmakers baby” and who is the biggest playmaker in the draft? Robinson
Remember the two back sets last year with Hall and Carter? Upgrade Carter with Robinson.
4 deep at WR, 3 deep at TE, 2 deep at RB with capable NFL playmakers would make us one of the most dynamic groups in the league, with Rodgers pulling the trigger? Um freaking hell yes
We have dynamic playmakers. What we need is a stable and secure line to allow those playmakers to be dynamic.
Spending a 1 and a 2+ on running backs in back-to-back years while your offensive line remains questionable is a massive misallocation of resources.
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2023, 07:03:06 PM
That's why he wanted out of Green Bay.BREAKING: Rodgers has requested a trade from the Jets
Post by: Coach K on April 25, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
Don't get cute draft the OL
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
I’m really curious who could make our offense more dynamic right now than Robinson would that could realistically be added at this point in the offseason
Saquon
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2023, 08:10:57 PM
Saquon
He's franchise tagged so you're talking draft picks plus this is a guy holding out over an elite back contract so you're talking being among the top 2 backs in the league
This does bring up the question. If the Jets are committed to going full fledged win now, with a window of 2 years.
What are the biggest feasible win now moves the Jets can realistically make at this point?
I assume this would be almost completely the trade market at this point. Or Potentially digging out an aging vet from retirement
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 08:51:25 PM
He's franchise tagged so you're talking draft picks plus this is a guy holding out over an elite back contract so you're talking being among the top 2 backs in the leagueThe veteran WRs make sense.
This does bring up the question. If the Jets are committed to going full fledged win now, with a window of 2 years.
What are the biggest feasible win now moves the Jets can realistically make at this point?
I assume this would be almost completely the trade market at this point. Or Potentially digging out an aging vet from retirement
I assume a guy like Fournette could make sense as a vet to compete with the young guys behind Breece.
DL is usually a position where some aging vets can pull a Trevor Pryce and ring chase. Maybe J.J. Watt gets tired of nobody talking about him for a few days and signs with the Jets. Safety is another potential spot for that.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Post by: reuben on April 25, 2023, 09:08:09 PM
Saquon hasn't signed his tag and has said he won't. He has already had a significant injury and wants the security of a long term deal. Go find out what the Giants want.
No
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 09:09:08 PM
NoYes
I love Saquon so much
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2023, 09:46:34 PM
Saquon hasn't signed his tag and has said he won't. He has already had a significant injury and wants the security of a long term deal. Go find out what the Giants want.
How's the Jets track record of paying big money to RBs coming off injury who won't sign the tag?
It's hard to imagine Saquon coming here for less than a 2nd and multi year 10m +
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 25, 2023, 11:17:41 PM
Yes
I love Saquon so much
Maybe we should solve that -$6mil cap space problem first.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 11:25:19 PM
Maybe we should solve that -$6mil cap space problem first.
The cap isn't real
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 26, 2023, 04:19:19 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 07:31:55 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 07:40:22 AM
Rodgers' intro presser is at 2pm EST today if anyone is interested.I'll be working unfortunately but lunch break I can lube up
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 07:58:13 AM
I'll be working unfortunately but lunch break I can lube up
(https://y.yarn.co/500352c7-a1a0-4443-ab4a-8c0407208692_text.gif)
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 08:02:03 AM
Rodgers' intro presser is at 2pm EST today if anyone is interested.
Trying to figure out where it'll be aired. I assume the team website? I don't see anything about it though. Nothing on SNY's site either.
I'm way too overly excited right now.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 08:06:07 AM
Trying to figure out where it'll be aired. I assume the team website? I don't see anything about it though. Nothing on SNY's site either.
I'm way too overly excited right now.
the beat writers are tweeting about it
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
LFG
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 09:59:30 AM
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1651221543408529411?s=20
LFG
Looks happy! LFG!
Also, lol @ Chris Johnson.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 10:47:35 AM
Trying to figure out where it'll be aired. I assume the team website? I don't see anything about it though. Nothing on SNY's site either.
I'm way too overly excited right now.
Here you go, Alio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWsZ_TytXhg
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2023, 11:05:24 AM
Quote
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
By reworking the deal this way, Green Bay saves $14.575M in 2023 cap space instead of getting a credit in 2024.
For at least the next couple days, Rodgers is due $1.215 million in 2023 and $107.6 million in 2024. This will obviously change.
9:07 AM · Apr 26, 2023
from ·
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 12:26:05 PM
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 01:04:42 PM
Say what you want about Woody. And I don't love him as an owner. But his awkwardness will never not be utterly hilarious to me.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 26, 2023, 01:19:00 PM
Watching the press conference...
Say what you want about Woody. And I don't love him as an owner. But his awkwardness will never not be utterly hilarious to me.
I want a shower every time I see and hear that man speak.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 26, 2023, 01:19:58 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 01:20:52 PM
But in the meantime, let's ride.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 01:23:10 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 26, 2023, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 01:26:54 PM
Even though we've been expecting it for weeks it still feels surreal to see him in Jets gearYeah, I wasn't sure I would be watching the presser live, but here I am watching the presser and flipping on the Jets YouTube channel afterward. I'm hooked.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 26, 2023, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 01:34:54 PM
Tomorrow does tomorrow count
NGL this was boner fuel . Just seeing someone you know is a capable and elite qb in jets gear is alien to us lol
He seems motivated as freak and ready to play.
Hes all in and it's apparent .
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 01:35:55 PM
I can see why so many think Hackett is so likable. He's legitimately funny.Hes amazing at teaching and insanely likeable and affable
May not be a HC but hes exactly the kinda guy you want running a whole side of the team imo
Anyone who did what he did with Gabbert has my respect
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 01:35:56 PM
I can see why so many think Hackett is so likable. He's legitimately funny.
#tuggalicious
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
I actually screamed out loud when he said this (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230426/145edaea0661fe18e52973dee02a67f5.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 01:59:46 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 02:09:28 PM
I hope this spectacle has Rodgers as dialed in as he's ever beenI mean he's gonna be taking part in the full offseason program
Something he hasn't done in at least 3 years
He sounds as motivated as he has in a while imo
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
I wish i didn't hate our current jerseys otherwise i'd pre-order a Rodgers #8Getting one because I'm still only expecting 1 season
And if he's back and we have new unis all the more reason to buy another
Plus if we change you're gonna want tbe actual jerseys we wore when we won the super bowl in your life time.
LFG
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 02:09:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 02:19:27 PM
Quote
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
·
6m
Aaron Rodgers: “This isn’t a one and done in my mind. This is a commitment.”
and there it is. #LFG
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2023, 02:21:34 PM
and there it is. #LFG
Cue the office party gif as they pop champagne
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 02:25:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 02:44:32 PM
and there it is. #LFG
LETS freaking ROLL
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 02:58:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 03:10:42 PM
Is it safe to feel excited? I feel excited.
insanity says no
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2023, 03:16:36 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 26, 2023, 03:20:14 PM
But, we finally have a freaking QB!
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 03:34:07 PM
Post by: IATA on April 26, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 04:31:12 PM
Where is Steiny?Sitting on Ricky Sapp's lap.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 04:32:12 PM
Sitting on Ricky Sapp's lap.
I said Steiny, not Puck
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 05:38:38 PM
insanity says no
If I use up all my enthusiasm now, what will I do when it's time for the parade?
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 05:44:28 PM
If I wasn't convinced before the Hackett hire was to lure him (or at his request) I'm convinced now. And for those who are worried he'll be one-and-done, he's being coy, but he told the show he wants to play as long as it's still fun and Hackett made every single day fun last time they were together. And he sounds like he truly wants to win here, not just collect a check.
Gentlemen, let's go.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 05:46:06 PM
If I use up all my enthusiasm now, what will I do when it's time for the parade?
go to Rick's?
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 05:54:35 PM
go to Rick's?
With no available enthusiasm?
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 06:00:11 PM
With no available enthusiasm?
i'm sure you'll find some at Rick's. (o)(o)
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
i'm sure you'll find some at Rick's. (o)(o)
That's not how enthusiasm works. Once you spend all of it, you spend the next few years in enthusiasm hell. All because you chose euphoria that one time rather than just little spurts of happiness.
Post by: reuben on April 26, 2023, 07:17:55 PM
That's not how enthusiasm works. Once you spend all of it, you spend the next few years in enthusiasm hell. All because you chose euphoria that one time rather than just little spurts of happiness.
I know you're joking but this is almost exactly how my mind works.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 07:23:49 PM
That's not how enthusiasm works. Once you spend all of it, you spend the next few years in enthusiasm hell. All because you chose euphoria that one time rather than just little spurts of happiness.Try filling your heart with lust instead of enthusiasm next time
Post by: mj2sexay on April 26, 2023, 07:32:51 PM
But it didn't happen. Good things are coming.
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2023, 08:29:03 PM
https://youtu.be/Z6WlKg8cITs
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 26, 2023, 09:10:14 PM
I'm still choosing to be cautiously optimistic about starting a 39 year old QB who has played behind some god awful OLines this season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 07:59:26 AM
Try filling your heart with lust instead of enthusiasm next time
Trading my lust for enthusiasm is a gross overpay. I'd only be bidding against myself. I need my future lust just in case Ana de Armas is available.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 08:00:48 AM
I know you're joking but this is almost exactly how my mind works.
Brother, I'd offer you a hug, but I'll do one better. Aaron Rodgers is the New York Jets starting QB.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2023, 10:03:48 AM
Before the trade, Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers converted a $58.3 million option bonus, payable in 2023, into a 2024 base salary, a source told ESPN's Dan Graziano. As a result, he's making only $1.165 million this season -- the base-salary minimum. That also represents his cap charge.
Under his previous contract -- the three-year, $150 million extension from last year -- the Jets would've inherited a $15.8 million cap charge. That's relatively low for a player of his stature, but it would've put the Jets several million dollars over the cap.
By pushing the $58.3 million option bonus into next year -- the bonus is fully guaranteed -- Rodgers' 2024 compensation balloons to $107.55 million. That consists of an original $47 million option bonus, plus $1.21 million in minimum salary, plus the $58.3 million bonus from this year.
Once the Jets exercise the $47 million option bonus, they can spread the cap hit over the remainder of the contract, which runs through 2027. They could add a void year to spread it over five, lowering the cap charges. If they do nothing other than pick up the $47 million option bonus, his 2024 cap hit would be $71.26 million.
The Jets and Rodgers' agent, David Dunn, already are having discussions about restructuring the deal again, Rodgers confirmed after Wednesday's news conference. Chances are, he will have a new deal in place by training camp.
Rodgers, 39, didn't commit to playing in 2024, but he strongly hinted that he plans to, saying, "They definitely gave up some picks for me to be here, so this isn't like one-and-done in my mind."
The compensation package included a 2023 second-round pick and a 2024 conditional second-rounder that improves to a first-rounder if he plays at least 65% of the offensive snaps.
For now, though, the placeholder contract allows the Jets cap room to sign draft picks and pursue free agents. They are $7.4 million under the cap, according to NFLPA data. On Wednesday, they created about $3.5 million in space by tweaking defensive end John Franklin-Myers' contract, a source told ESPN's Field Yates.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 10:16:39 AM
dcm is very upsetAnd so he should be. His cap hit is $100MM next year, guaranteed with the hope he'll restructure. He has us by the balls.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 10:18:28 AM
And so he should be. His cap hit is $100MM next year, guaranteed with the hope he'll restructure. He has us by the balls.
You have a warped view of the world
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
And so he should be. His cap hit is $100MM next year, guaranteed with the hope he'll restructure. He has us by the balls.
lmao
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
I'm all about managing the cap but to me APY and guaranteed money are the important thing.
How you want to structure the payments/cap hits is to me purely semantics
Especially considering it's a balancing act between him and every other player on the team
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 10:59:29 AM
And so he should be. His cap hit is $100MM next year, guaranteed with the hope he'll restructure. He has us by the balls.
Dude, come on.
He already told the Packers he would willingly restructure before the trade even happened, just to make sure it would. If you listened to him yesterday, he's at peace with how things are and wants to play and win.
He's gonna get paid and we're gonna be fine.
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 11:54:25 AM
A person's word doesn't mean much in today's age.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 12:08:18 PM
Time will tell.
A person's word doesn't mean much in today's age.
Bleak
Sure, Rodgers could go and kill us, but he sounds pretty sincere that he's looking to build something here for the sake of his legacy. Hard to do that when you take the team to the cleaners and they can't pay anyone around you.
If he wins here, he's gonna make a LOT of money. I have a feeling he knows that too. He talked a lot yesterday about how the guy who brings home a Super Bowl for the Jets will be seen in this town.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 12:13:04 PM
If he wins here, he's gonna make a LOT of money. I have a feeling he knows that too. He talked a lot yesterday about how the guy who brings home a Super Bowl for the Jets will be seen in this town.
Brady cheating to win while Rodgers is ending curses. Rodgers wants that feather in his cap.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 27, 2023, 12:31:28 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 12:48:01 PM
Aaron freaking Rodgers is our quarterback and some of you are too busy being cynical to appreciate it.So?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 27, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
So?
So I thought some of you might have gotten tired of being miserable all the time.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 12:58:25 PM
Brady cheating to win while Rodgers is ending curses. Rodgers wants that feather in his cap.
Yeah, I feel like he definitely wants to have a notch over Tom.
I've made a lot of diva jokes about him, but a word he carefully repeated yesterday in multiple interviews was "legacy." He cares a lot about how he'll be remembered.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 01:00:35 PM
So I thought some of you might have gotten tired of being miserable all the time.
Cato is a sith lord. He thrives on misery.
Post by: casman02 on April 27, 2023, 01:13:50 PM
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 02:11:25 PM
I think I just wish GB ate some of the salary with them getting the 1st round pick as well. I think of his 150 million dollar deal, they are paying 48 total. Would have been nice if something was added to the topThis!
I'm happy we have AR, but we thoroughly lost this trade knowing the packers aren't picking up any of his salary
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 02:24:08 PM
we thoroughly lost this trade
that draft hasn't even happened yet
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 03:17:27 PM
The Jets have won one Super Bowl in their history. If they win another with Rodgers, literally no price was too high to pay.
Like most (practically all) trades, the actual value can't be evaluated for at least a couple of years.
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 03:28:46 PM
How did we lose this trade?
The Jets have won one Super Bowl in their history. If they win another with Rodgers, literally no price was too high to pay.
Like most (practically all) trades, the actual value can't be evaluated for at least a couple of years.
This is the last time I'm going to say this because it seems no one understands it.
The outcome of the season does not determine whether we made a good deal, the environment and context of the deal does.
We traded the equivalent of a 2nd and 4th round pick in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 to take on $100MM in guaranteed dollars when there were no other parties interested.
The packers got cap relief, an opportunity to start their young qb they wanted to start, they got rid of a headache, and got 2 premium picks.
They were the winners of the trade. We overpaid because we wanted the deal done. We gave up leverage because we prioritized immediacy.
We may be successful because of the trade, but we were not the winners of it.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 03:34:39 PM
This is the last time I'm going to say this because it seems no one understands it.You need to touch grass
The outcome of the season does not determine whether we made a good deal, the environment and context of the deal does.
We traded the equivalent of a 2nd and 4th round pick in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 to take on $100MM in guaranteed dollars when there were no other parties interested.
The packers got cap relief, an opportunity to start their young qb they wanted to start, they got rid of a headache, and got 2 premium picks.
They were the winners of the trade. We overpaid because we wanted the deal done. We gave up leverage because we prioritized immediacy.
We may be successful because of the trade, but we were not the winners of it.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2023, 03:45:41 PM
This is the last time I'm going to say this because it seems no one understands it.
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Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2023, 03:48:33 PM
This is the last time I'm going to say this because it seems no one understands it.
The outcome of the season does not determine whether we made a good deal, the environment and context of the deal does.
We traded the equivalent of a 2nd and 4th round pick in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 to take on $100MM in guaranteed dollars when there were no other parties interested.
The packers got cap relief, an opportunity to start their young qb they wanted to start, they got rid of a headache, and got 2 premium picks.
They were the winners of the trade. We overpaid because we wanted the deal done. We gave up leverage because we prioritized immediacy.
We may be successful because of the trade, but we were not the winners of it.
I agree with you. But ultimately we don't have to win every trade to be successful. It would have been nice to win the trade, but if it took giving up this much to get him into the building instead of the Packers having the leverage to wait until September 1 post-draft when a new deal would have to be agreed, it could still be worth it.
But yeah, giving up a lot and the Packers not taking on much cap is very much not ideal.
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2023, 03:52:51 PM
You need to touch grassMy dick does everytime I walk
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2023, 04:42:56 PM
How did we lose this trade?
The Jets have won one Super Bowl in their history. If they win another with Rodgers, literally no price was too high to pay.
Like most (practically all) trades, the actual value can't be evaluated for at least a couple of years.
Everyone on here should be excited about Rodgers, he's likely going to provide the best QB play we've had in 20 years.
But you are making it out like he makes us a SB favorite, he doesn't.
There's a lot of huge unknowns with Rodgers, and this trade didn't protect us from any of them.
Is he washed up? Does he actually want and plan to play longer than a year? Will the Jets actually make the playoffs or even win a freaking playoff game with him let alone SB talk?
We'll find out all of this in a few months, but the trade wasn't structured in a way to protect the Jets against any of the very reasonable concerns.
The lack of conditionals to protect this franchise should be disappointing. But many people don't give a excrement because Aaron Rodgers
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2023, 04:44:19 PM
My dick does everytime I walk(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230427/3205e3a15e9d408df18aebc79714d4fd.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2023, 05:10:36 PM
This is the last time I'm going to say this because it seems no one understands it.
The outcome of the season does not determine whether we made a good deal, the environment and context of the deal does.
We traded the equivalent of a 2nd and 4th round pick in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 to take on $100MM in guaranteed dollars when there were no other parties interested.
The packers got cap relief, an opportunity to start their young qb they wanted to start, they got rid of a headache, and got 2 premium picks.
They were the winners of the trade. We overpaid because we wanted the deal done. We gave up leverage because we prioritized immediacy.
We may be successful because of the trade, but we were not the winners of it.
TIL premiere starters are expensive
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 05:33:52 PM
This is the last time I'm going to say this because it seems no one understands it.
The outcome of the season does not determine whether we made a good deal, the environment and context of the deal does.
I understand the point you're trying to make. I disagree with it.
The Jets haven't won a Super Bowl in over 5 decades. They haven't appeared in the playoffs in over a decade. If these things change, especially a Super Bowl win, Rodgers is worth everything we paid and more.
The result is all that matters.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 05:36:13 PM
Everyone on here should be excited about Rodgers, he's likely going to provide the best QB play we've had in 20 years.
But you are making it out like he makes us a SB favorite, he doesn't.
There's a lot of huge unknowns with Rodgers, and this trade didn't protect us from any of them.
Is he washed up? Does he actually want and plan to play longer than a year? Will the Jets actually make the playoffs or even win a freaking playoff game with him let alone SB talk?
We'll find out all of this in a few months, but the trade wasn't structured in a way to protect the Jets against any of the very reasonable concerns.
The lack of conditionals to protect this franchise should be disappointing. But many people don't give a excrement because Aaron Rodgers
So there are a lot of unknowns and that makes it
Got it.
Agreed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2023, 05:40:22 PM
We paid what we paid. More, less, it doesn't matter. For the first time in a really long time, I'm not going to watch other games on Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday and wonder why their offenses make it look so easy when ours makes it look so hard.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2023, 06:45:11 PM
So there are a lot of unknowns and that makes ithardimpossible to judge the trade as favorable/unfavorable right now?
Got it.
Agreed.
No that makes it easier to judge the trade now
Because thr concerns for this franchise weren't addressed
Plenty of people are ignoring it because it's Aaron Rodgers. But in this board and elsewhere is the big concern about our 1st being tied to plays and not performance/playoffs and nothing to protect us from him retiring in a year.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 07:14:34 PM
To be fair, I think the Jets could've paid less to get this done. And it would've felt great to get another Jamal Adams deal. But this wasn't Jamal Adams. This was one of the best QBs to ever line up under center.If you think about it, Seattle paid more for Jamal Adams than we did for Aaron Rodgers.
We paid what we paid. More, less, it doesn't matter. For the first time in a really long time, I'm not going to watch other games on Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday and wonder why their offenses make it look so easy when ours makes it look so hard.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2023, 08:32:58 PM
If you think about it, Seattle paid more for Jamal Adams than we did for Aaron Rodgers.
Is 10-12 years of an optimally allpro safety not worth more than 1-2 years of a HOF QB who was 90% retired?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2023, 09:10:31 PM
Is 10-12 years of an optimally allpro safety not worth more than 1-2 years of a HOF QB who was 90% retired?10-12 years? What sport do you think this is?
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2023, 09:16:16 PM
10-12 years? What sport do you think this is?Tiddlywinks?
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2023, 07:57:38 AM
No that makes it easier to judge the trade now
Because thr concerns for this franchise weren't addressed
Literally the biggest concern for the franchise was addressed. Unless you meant to type "their" in which case, sorry, I can't get on board with worrying about a cap that is proving to be a non-issue or hypothetical draft picks that may or may not work out.
Plenty of people are ignoring it because it's Aaron Rodgers. But in this board and elsewhere is the big concern about our 1st being tied to plays and not performance/playoffs and nothing to protect us from him retiring in a year.
Yes, 100%.
We have a future Hall of Fame quarterback rather than Zach Wilson and Mike White. If you can't just be excited about right now, and need to keep worrying about a tomorrow that doesn't even exist, I don't know how to help you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2023, 08:33:54 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2023, 08:45:30 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2023, 08:46:26 AM
Literally no one is asking for your help.
Fair enough. Sorry for your loss.
Post by: insanity on April 28, 2023, 09:46:23 AM
We should have waited until today to consummate the trade.I keep watching this on repeat to dull the pain of idiotically losing out on a tackle.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QU8M3xxEH-s?feature=share
Post by: steves850 on April 28, 2023, 09:49:43 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 28, 2023, 10:20:24 AM
The only offensive pick was love .
Lolol
I dont mean that as a oh we should've gone offense because of this stat
Just amusing
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2023, 10:24:12 AM
Last 13 years Rodgers 1st rd picks have been defense 12 timesThe funny thing is the Packers draft a ton of receivers. They drafted 16 receivers in the last 10 drafts. They would just mostly be late picks (though there are several Day 2 picks in there).
The only offensive pick was love .
Lolol
I dont mean that as a oh we should've gone offense because of this stat
Just amusing
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 29, 2023, 03:07:01 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2023, 07:42:39 PM
https://twitter.com/RTaub_/status/1652469956825563136
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2023, 07:57:06 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2023, 07:57:43 PM
Rodgers and previously Volpe smartly wearing neutral colors for this seriesI think Volpe is a Devils fan. Grew up in NJ. You think he would have a side one way or the other.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2023, 08:36:05 PM
He seems genuinely thrilled to be here.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2023, 08:37:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2023, 08:34:44 AM
Final trade-
Jets got:
QB Aaron Rodgers
EDGE Will McDonald IV
S/CB Jarrick Bernard-Converse
TE Zack Kuntz
Packers got:
EDGE Lukas Van Ness
TE Luke Musgrave
K Anders Carlson
2024 conditional 2nd that can escalate to 1st
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2023, 08:35:23 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2023, 09:27:39 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2023, 09:54:48 AM
The argument was always about giving up more than we needed to, as that limits our ability to build around Rodgers.
End of the day we should be excited about what we have. Let’s hope we crush it this year and are happy to part with our first rounder next yesr
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 30, 2023, 01:05:08 PM
Wonder if he'll show up to the Knicks game tomorrow.
Update: he did
Post by: insanity on April 30, 2023, 02:48:48 PM
The chances were always extremely good we come away within more talent in this trade as we are 98% likely to end up with the best player, and it’s reasonable to see 5 years from now we have the 2nd best player as well, while one would assume that Van Ness will be the better player because he went earlier it’s not impossible that McDonald is his equal or better as a pass rusherHe gets it
The argument was always about giving up more than we needed to, as that limits our ability to build around Rodgers.
End of the day we should be excited about what we have. Let’s hope we crush it this year and are happy to part with our first rounder next yesr
Post by: reuben on May 01, 2023, 02:17:29 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 02:23:01 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1653096952236503041 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1653096952236503041)My quarterback
Post by: Libero_2 on May 01, 2023, 07:40:07 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1653096952236503041 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1653096952236503041)
I’m not sure I’ll ever get tired of seeing Rodgers in Jets gear throwing balls to Jets players
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 01, 2023, 07:41:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1653096952236503041 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1653096952236503041)
my quarterback
thinking about a player the calibre of rodgers throwing it to GW makes the price of this trade absolutely worth it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2023, 09:57:50 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/y8LDwSH/8864-DE96-2167-4-CA2-94-DB-1-EFB84-B01441.png) (https://ibb.co/64623Bj)
Please get this deal done yesterday
This image haunts my dreams
And now my watch has ended
(https://i.ibb.co/RbhZxYF/1-FE1-A3-D3-574-D-48-C0-BB42-A9-DFAF1-DC770.png) (https://ibb.co/C8JNkmc)
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2023, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 02, 2023, 02:21:50 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2023, 09:11:33 AM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1653479972172906511
#erection
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2023, 09:29:05 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2023, 02:13:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1653795354503000064
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2023, 03:15:55 PM
Rodgers already pissing teammates off.
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1653795354503000064
cancer
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2023, 03:22:40 PM
Over/under 6 hours until Garrett asks for a trade.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 03, 2023, 06:11:42 PM
Lazard officially WR1. Now Cobb WR2.
Over/under 6 hours until Garrett asks for a trade.
I'm sure we'll see Garrett Wilson with Rodgers at Game 4 on saturday
it's crazy seeing all of these famous superstars (sports, hollywood) and former knicks at these games
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 04:27:31 PM
He helps out their tackles so much. It's almost like they have an extra offensive lineman on the field.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 05, 2023, 04:30:19 PM
I think we should sign Marcedes Lewis. I'm watching a lot of Rodgers and Lazard highlights to get an idea of what kind of scheme we're going to run, and Lewis is such a good pass protector on play action.
He helps out their tackles so much. It's almost like they have an extra offensive lineman on the field.
I’m on board, but whose job is he taking? We can’t keep 5 TEs to go with 10 OL and 10 DL
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
I’m on board, but whose job is he taking? We can’t keep 5 TEs to go with 10 OL and 10 DL
Kenny Yeboah's
Conklin
Uzomah
Lewis
Ruckert
Post by: Libero_2 on May 05, 2023, 04:37:00 PM
Kenny Yeboah's
Conklin
Uzomah
Lewis
Ruckert
I had already mentally given Yeaboahs job to Kuntz
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 04:40:21 PM
I think he's probably a practice squad guy unless we move Conk/Uzo this summer.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 05, 2023, 04:49:16 PM
Kuntz is a deep sleeper to make the roster. He's similar to the tight ends Rodgers has had success with in the past.
I think he's probably a practice squad guy unless we move Conk/Uzo this summer.
I just pegged Kuntz as our draft and stash this year and he just sits on the back of the roster as an inactive all year, because he needs to learn routes and things, but I suspect he makes a few plays in camp and/or the preseason and the Jets can’t expose him to waivers.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 05, 2023, 05:08:50 PM
I just pegged Kuntz.
Hot.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 07, 2023, 06:56:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvYg6NgjYA
Post by: Jumbo on May 07, 2023, 07:58:27 PM
our legend on the legend we just acquired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvYg6NgjYA
Gotta love him, still involved with the team and caring 40 years later
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2023, 09:33:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2023, 09:52:32 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/the-inside-story-of-how-the-jets-landed-aaron-rodgers/
This is a great recount of the entire process. Douglas must've excrement his pants during the few days after Carr signed and waiting to hear what Rodgers' plans were.
This is pretty cool too:
"In the first two days Rodgers was officially a Jet, Fanatics reported they had sold $900,000 in Aaron Rodgers gear and the total Jets eCommerce sales was $1.2 million."
Post by: delavan on May 08, 2023, 10:09:09 AM
Kuntz is a deep sleeper to make the roster.Richard Rodgers?
He's similar to the tight ends Rodgers has had success with in the past.
I think he's probably a practice squad guy unless we move Conk/Uzo this summer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwOpLns_Yhs
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2023, 06:36:55 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230509/229fa17f6c641fab63921c0b0b0c7edb.jpg)
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 10, 2023, 06:57:33 AM
I have to admit this happens to me every time the Jets post more Rodgers content.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230509/229fa17f6c641fab63921c0b0b0c7edb.jpg)
they keep posting corny passing content from practice and every time i watch, i just want more passing content
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 12, 2023, 04:00:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 12, 2023, 04:59:15 PM
we got aaron fvckin rodgers on our team throwing to our guysCome to the tailgate, dude. It's time.
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2023, 05:32:25 PM
Come to the tailgate, dude. It's time.
Amen to this. I will shortly make my list of shame, of regular JO posters who have yet to make it to a tailgate.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 12, 2023, 05:47:09 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 12, 2023, 05:58:16 PM
i own you, i own you
still own you
i still own you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dFr4V_RIA
Post by: Libero_2 on May 12, 2023, 09:15:38 PM
Maybe he will we will shout some of that excrement at Belicheck
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2023, 06:18:37 AM
I wish we were going to Chicago this year purely for the “I don’t care that I’m not a packer, I still own your asses and will haunt your dreams for eternity” lineYeah, I only just realized we will likely never see Aaron match up against his old division (we don't get NFCN again until 2026) but - someone correct me if I'm wrong - I think our 17th game in 2024 will be against an NFCN team.
Maybe he will we will shout some of that excrement at Belicheck
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 13, 2023, 07:48:54 AM
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2023, 09:22:21 AM
I think we should take the poll off the top of the thread. It’s mildly embarrassing that a majority of the votes are for CarrI use Tapatalk 99% of the time so this is a massive failure by the non-Tapatalk using mods.
Post by: Johnny English on May 13, 2023, 11:23:41 AM
I use Tapatalk 99% of the time so this is a massive failure by the non-Tapatalk using mods.I voted for Rodgers. You can all wear your own shame.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 14, 2023, 02:17:37 AM
I voted for Rodgers. You can all wear your own shame.
Me too, my conscience is clear
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 14, 2023, 08:04:44 AM
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2023, 08:22:17 AM
Someone reopen the poll so I can vote for Carr again.What poll?
Post by: Jumbo on May 14, 2023, 11:09:40 AM
What poll?
This is literally 1984, how am I going to prove to people that I voted for Rodgers now
Post by: MBGreen on May 14, 2023, 12:16:47 PM
This is literally 1984, how am I going to prove to people that I voted for Rodgers now
I only remember you voting for MLF
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2023, 01:03:01 PM
I only remember you voting for MLFI was saying Boo-urns
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2023, 10:01:55 AM
they keep posting corny passing content from practice and every time i watch, i just want more passing contenthttps://www.instagram.com/reel/CsRJYXZJmma/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Post by: Coach K on May 16, 2023, 01:32:32 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsRJYXZJmma/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==Rofl
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Post by: Derek Smalls on May 22, 2023, 04:16:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 09:45:20 AM
Quote
Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
·
1h
Spoke to multiple Jets players & coaches about the impact of Aaron Rodgers:
*The standard has been raised
*The “little details” are significant to Rodgers
*Everyone is being held accountable in meetings and on the field
*Rodgers HAS A LOT OF SAY
*He’s ALL IN
*Trust is building
the dawn of a new era
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 23, 2023, 09:51:39 AM
SYNERGY!
Post by: Libero_2 on May 23, 2023, 10:25:34 AM
the dawn of a new era
This is the same excrement we heard when Peyton first got to Denver. I’m super excited to finally hear these things coming out of our building and actually believe them
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 11:28:02 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2023, 11:46:05 AM
Having a heart attack right now as I'm seeing tweets that Rodgers is limping and favoring his ankle
He doesn't have to throw a ball in anger for another 16 weeks. If you're getting yourself worked up by training camp knocks at this stage of the year I'll be more worried about you not making it to week 1 than Rodgers.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 12:29:22 PM
He doesn't have to throw a ball in anger for another 16 weeks. If you're getting yourself worked up by training camp knocks at this stage of the year I'll be more worried about you not making it to week 1 than Rodgers.
Perhaps we haven't met. I'm Alio, and I live in a constant state of awaiting the other shoe to drop.
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2023, 12:41:47 PM
Perhaps we haven't met. I'm Alio, and I live in a constant state of awaiting the other shoe to drop.
Fine.
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1661048832094879765
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 12:42:52 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 23, 2023, 12:49:12 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 01:20:33 PM
Fine.
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1661048832094879765
What is wrong with you?!
Glad to see he wound up rejoining 7 on 7s. Yes, I kept looking for updates.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 01:24:06 PM
Fine.
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1661048832094879765
True story, the first time I ever posted on an online message board was on the Jets' official site. It was literally immediately after Pennington broke his wrist. Crying into my beer was not enough.
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 01:24:21 PM
@JosinaAnderson
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I’m told Aaron Rodgers has a strained calf, per sources. It’s considered minor as of now. The anticipation is he should be back fairly quick. #Jets
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 01:32:22 PM
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
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6m
I’m told Aaron Rodgers has a strained calf, per sources. It’s considered minor as of now. The anticipation is he should be back fairly quick. #Jets
Calf should be better than ankle. I'll take any good news, no matter how minor.
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 01:47:16 PM
@antwanstaley
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3m
Rodgers says he is a fan of the Jersey Shore TV show. Said he went to a Pauly D party in Vegas years ago
wtf
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 23, 2023, 01:49:48 PM
Antwan V. Staley
@antwanstaley
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3m
Rodgers says he is a fan of the Jersey Shore TV show. Said he went to a Pauly D party in Vegas years ago
wtf
Shoot him
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 01:55:22 PM
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Rodgers wants teammates to be "intentional" during practice -- aka don't go through the motions. He sensed some slacking yesterday, especially w/ ball security, and delivered that message to the offense. #Jets
now we're talkin'
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2023, 02:36:38 PM
Calf should be better than ankle. I'll take any good news, no matter how minor.
Here you go, enjoy this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjX1i9LlHhc&ab_channel=NewYorkJets
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 23, 2023, 02:58:02 PM
I hate Deadspin so freaking much.
Post by: reuben on May 23, 2023, 03:34:02 PM
https://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-new-york-jets-nfl-injury-practice-1850466301 (https://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-new-york-jets-nfl-injury-practice-1850466301)
I hate Deadspin so freaking much.
I haven't bothered with it since the great exodus.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 25, 2023, 05:51:28 PM
Honestly love that he avoided talking about the Giants for this one.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 30, 2023, 11:15:57 AM
https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1661498037619834881?s=20 (https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1661498037619834881?s=20)
Honestly love that he avoided talking about the Giants for this one.
Everyone knows what this guy brings to the table on the football field.
But its really surprising and awesome to see how positive a force this guy has been from a PR/media perspective.
Guy was treated like an absolute cancer and poopchute the last few years, yet in the short term he's been here he's done and said all the right things and is looking more and more like a Peyton type charismatic charmer.
Maybe Rodgers is also smart enough to see the type of offers Peyton and Brady have gotten post retirement and is setting himself up for more of the same.
Regardless it's all great things to see
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2023, 08:15:35 AM
this is a great read
Post by: casman02 on June 04, 2023, 09:52:40 AM
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https://twitter.com/BookOfEli_NFL/status/1665006382070870016?t=-V1gx9H9fXWIncAaEXTo4Q&s=19
Eli Berkovits
@BookOfEli_NFL
Only 12 QBs have thrown for 50,000 yards in their career.
Here's how many pick 6s they've thrown:
Favre - 32
Stafford - 29
Marino - 28
Peyton - 27
Brees - 27
Rivers - 25
Eli - 22
Ryan - 20
Brady - 18
Elway - 18
Roethlisberger - 18
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Aaron Rodgers - 4
This should be a welcome change from what we have seen over the last few years
Post by: dcm1602 on June 04, 2023, 12:41:05 PM
This should be a welcome change from what we have seen over the last few years
Zachs passes aren't catchable enough to be pick 6s.
He doesn't have any
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2023, 10:45:14 AM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/92029/aaron-rodgers-takes-control-of-jets-offense-which-means-pop-quizzes
Wait...no more pre-snap fire drills?! But how is everyone going to become confused about their assignments?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2023, 07:30:26 PM
Weird for this to suddenly come out
Post by: delavan on June 15, 2023, 11:09:30 PM
According to Carton and some others in the media, New England attempted to trade for Rodgers but Rodgers shot it down?Speaking of Carton…
Weird for this to suddenly come out
https://www.thedailybeast.com/craig-carton-is-leaving-wfan-to-make-millions-at-fox-sports
Post by: MBGreen on July 21, 2023, 08:48:40 AM
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Eric Gonzalez
@ericgonzo1208
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Aaron Rodgers states on @DRonESPN
this morning that given “what the Jets gave up for me” that he should be back for a 2nd and maybe 3rd year. Loves the team, feels rejuvenated, changed some of his offseason routine and is now ready to roll! #Jets
inject this right into my veins.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 21, 2023, 08:57:05 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 21, 2023, 12:35:36 PM
"If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours seek medical attention. Unless you're a Jets fan and Aaron Rodgers just spoke to the media."
Post by: MBGreen on July 22, 2023, 03:00:54 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 22, 2023, 08:44:47 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1682832294858432513?s=20
i'm trying to keep my enjoyment and my expectations of the team grounded but the NYJ social media team keep sucking me back in
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2023, 08:38:09 AM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1684034765790511106
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 26, 2023, 11:25:09 AM
Not sure how much store to set by this as no one else seems to be reporting it currently, but good news if true.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1684034765790511106
I love how everyone in the replies is getting bent over the words "lingering issue" and acting like this is a media-hyped story.
Subtlety of language is completely lost because no one wants to even make an effort anymore.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 04:47:58 PM
Rodgers took a $35M paycut. We're paying him $75M over this season and next.
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2023, 04:49:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1684315005183750146?s=20My QB
Rodgers took a $35M paycut. We're paying him $75M over this season and next.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 04:50:01 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2023, 04:51:07 PM
Wonder if this means Dalvin (or other FAs) are more likely to come.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2023, 04:51:27 PM
Dude wants another ring and he’s giving us the ability to try and help but him the talent needed to get it.
Hell freaking yes.
I still expect us to be “buyers” at the trade deadline and my number 1 target is Mike Evans. He’s on an expiring deal in Tampa and he’s almost certainly going to walk. I’d gladly give them their comp pick a year early to secure him and push the offense over the top.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 04:54:32 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 04:56:05 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2023, 04:58:28 PM
Obviously he still needs to perform to make this all worth it but it's really hard to overstate what a big deal this is.I am curious what the cap implications will be later on.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 05:06:05 PM
Post by: insanity on July 26, 2023, 05:06:34 PM
To summarize, the Jets basically got retirement insurance.
Arod turned his 3 yr deal at $35MM a year into a 2 yr deal at $35MM a year. He didn't really take a paycut.
This is super helpful for us if he only plays two years. We would be fucked otherwise as the contract is fully guaranteed.
But if AROD plans on playing 3 years he'll end up getting the money he was owed and then some.
It's helpful, but this isn't some saintly act.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 05:09:19 PM
The PR on this is fantastic. Arods agent needs a raise.
Arod turned his 3 yr deal at $35MM a year into a 2 yr deal at $35MM a year. He didn't really take a payout.
This is super helpful for us if he only plays two years. We would be fucked otherwise.
But if AROD plans on playing 3 years he'll end up getting the money he was owed and then some.
It's helpful, but this isn't as crazy as it sounds. It's basically retirement insurance for the jets
Where are you getting this information?
Post by: insanity on July 26, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
Where are you getting this information?Twitter
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
Okay. Care to share a link?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2023, 05:11:22 PM
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Field Yates @FieldYates
Aaron Rodgers’ new deal with the Jets includes $75M fully guaranteed over the next two years, as @TomPelissero reported.
The deal also includes a non-guaranteed $37.5M year in 2025, plus 4 additional years for cap purposes.
Cap charges:
2023: $8,838,888
2024: $17,161,112
Post by: insanity on July 26, 2023, 05:13:14 PM
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1684321277970898945?s=20Didn't know about the non guaranteed year. So again he didn't take a paycut he just turned his contract from 110M guaranteed to 75M guaranteed.
It's super helpful if he retires, but he isn't mother teresa
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2023, 05:14:19 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2023, 05:14:57 PM
Didn't know about the non guaranteed year. So again he didn't take a paycut he just turned his contract from 110M guaranteed to 75M guaranteed.Thats literally a "paycut"
It's super helpful if he retires, but he isn't mother teresa
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 26, 2023, 05:26:09 PM
Post by: casman02 on July 26, 2023, 05:29:38 PM
Also I had 2 wishes as camp was starting. Re-sign Q and restructure A Rod. Both done. Time for Douglas to go nuts with any FAs he pleases
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2023, 05:35:26 PM
Post by: insanity on July 26, 2023, 05:50:09 PM
Thats literally a "paycut"There's a difference between giving back $35mm and saying let's see how this goes over the next 2 years instead of 3. It's great that he did it and I'm thankful, but the media is confusing this for altruism.
He's saying if I retire you don't need to pay my last year. I'm guessing this was a mandatory from the jets.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2023, 06:13:27 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2023, 06:19:53 PM
There's a difference between giving back $35mm and saying let's see how this goes over the next 2 years instead of 3. It's great that he did it and I'm thankful, but the media is confusing this for altruism.He was guaranteed 110 mil...hes now getting 75 mil.
He's saying if I retire you don't need to pay my last year. I'm guessing this was a mandatory from the jets.
#paycut
Post by: insanity on July 26, 2023, 06:57:02 PM
He was guaranteed 110 mil...hes now getting 75 mil.It's not an actual paycut until year 3. He's not getting less money today than he was yesterday.
#paycut
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2023, 07:07:35 PM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Aaron Rodgers voluntarily took a $35 million pay cut on his two-year deal with the Jets, as
@TomPelissero
reported. This will allow the Jets to acquire more talent than they would have under the contract they assumed from Green Bay in April. No team sport player is thought to have revised his contract in such a team-focused way in the past.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on July 26, 2023, 07:14:28 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2023, 07:16:11 PM
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2023, 12:19:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1684612907986714652?t=npm5GvhNKq5QizCoYDKopw&s=19
Post by: delavan on July 30, 2023, 02:32:44 PM
(Dak Prescott’s #56)
Post by: MBGreen on July 31, 2023, 07:21:40 AM
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/jets-bills-aaron-rodgers-peter-king-fmia-training-camp?cid=fmiatw
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2023, 08:49:06 AM
Interesting read on Rodgers from Peter King's column this morning...
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/jets-bills-aaron-rodgers-peter-king-fmia-training-camp?cid=fmiatw
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“You probably agree with this. This year, compared to like 2005, the amount of transactions that happen now with guys getting cut and the amount of trades—way more than before. Big names move at the trade deadline now. I wanted to make sure that if somebody valuable came available that we’d be able to get him. I’m very happy with the contract. I feel great about it.”
Davante
Post by: Libero_2 on July 31, 2023, 08:55:44 AM
Davante
I just can’t see that being possible this year from a raiders cap perspective. Adams would have to do something similar to Rodgers and restructure his deal and take a pay it just for Vegas to even be able to trade him. Doesn’t he have something like $100 million dollars still owed to him going into his age 31 season?
As exciting as it is to think about, I’d say Mike Evans is so much more likely to be the WR target at the deadline
Post by: MBGreen on July 31, 2023, 09:03:29 AM
I just can’t see that being possible this year from a raiders cap perspective. Adams would have to do something similar to Rodgers and restructure his deal and take a pay it just for Vegas to even be able to trade him. Doesn’t he have something like $100 million dollars still owed to him going into his age 31 season?
As exciting as it is to think about, I’d say Mike Evans is so much more likely to be the WR target at the deadline
oh you didn't get the memo....we only trade for Rodgers' buddies now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2023, 09:20:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2023, 09:21:20 PM
It's not an actual paycut until year 3. He's not getting less money today than he was yesterday.
Finding a way to complain about this is next level, I salute you
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2023, 08:11:18 AM
nice crib
Post by: Libero_2 on August 04, 2023, 09:34:47 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 04, 2023, 09:36:00 AM
What a single guy needs with 8 bedrooms I won’t ever know. But sure as excrement would be nice to have that house
Make and distribute pornography.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 04, 2023, 09:39:23 AM
Make and distribute pornography.
Ok… what about the other 5 bedrooms?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 04, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
Ok… what about the other 5 bedrooms?
Sets, changing rooms, editing suite.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 09:52:11 AM
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https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNFL/status/1687474339992506368
This is cool. I couldn't make out most of what was said but Thompson-Robinson is genuinely appreciative of whatever Rodgers said.
He may be a weirdo conspiracy theorist, but he seems like he truly wants to leave a positive mark on the game.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 04, 2023, 10:04:27 AM
This is cool. I couldn't make out most of what was said but Thompson-Robinson is genuinely appreciative of whatever Rodgers said.
He may be a weirdo conspiracy theorist, but he seems like he truly wants to leave a positive mark on the game.
If he starts dating a molecular biologist he'll be all about vaccinations. Dude's a chameleon boyfriend.
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2023, 10:40:52 AM
What a single guy needs with 8 bedrooms I won’t ever know. But sure as excrement would be nice to have that house
I told him I'd need a place to stay for home games, so that was likely part of his thinking.
He might just Airbnb the rest.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 10:44:53 AM
If he starts dating a molecular biologist he'll be all about vaccinations. Dude's a chameleon boyfriend.
Well, it would seem not in the case of Shaliene Woodley (sp?) She thought he was incompatible specifically because of his mindset.
Honestly, I don't care about his politics, his vax stance, whatever. He can be a weirdo. Just be an elite QB weirdo for us.
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2023, 12:28:35 PM
Well, it would seem not in the case of Shaliene Woodley (sp?) She thought he was incompatible specifically because of his mindset.Shaylyne*
Honestly, I don't care about his politics, his vax stance, whatever. He can be a weirdo. Just be an elite QB weirdo for us.
Post by: Jumbo on August 04, 2023, 07:31:11 PM
Shaylyne*
Shaylyne Wydlyy*
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 04, 2023, 08:36:18 PM
Shaylyne Wydlyy*
*Failed Jennifer Lawrence facsimile*
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 04, 2023, 08:40:46 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 20, 2023, 09:49:26 AM
JetsTwitter is panicking
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2023, 09:55:14 AM
He’s playing in the final preseason gameSo is MBGreen
JetsTwitter is panicking
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
So is MBGreen
Good thing he'll be fine and nothing bad will happen.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2023, 10:03:01 AM
Good thing he'll be fine and nothing bad will happen.I'm old enough to remember what happened in 2013....thanks, I'll pass.
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2023, 12:24:32 PM
I'm old enough to remember what happened in 2013....thanks, I'll pass.And 2003... oh freak
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 20, 2023, 12:46:35 PM
And 2003... oh freak
that was the beginning of pennington's injury run. fvck that
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2023, 01:04:23 PM
that was the beginning of pennington's injury run. fvck thatAnd the beginning of my Joker origin story
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2023, 01:38:26 PM
I'm old enough to remember what happened in 2013....thanks, I'll pass.
We all have recurring thoughts about Konrad Reuland sometimes.
And 2003... oh freak
And J.P. Machado
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
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Jets Memes
@MemesJets
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4h
#Jets fans losing their collective heads over Aaron Rodgers playing 1 of 2 series in the preseason is a reflection of how battered and bruised we are over the years.
1000x yes
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 20, 2023, 05:38:22 PM
That said, if he gets hurt in a preseason game, then he was probably getting hurt in a regular season game
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2023, 06:38:54 PM
Snoopy Bowl is known for one thing - major injuries on both teams.If he gets injured in a preseason game, Saleh should get publicly stoned like his ancestors.
That said, if he gets hurt in a preseason game, then he was probably getting hurt in a regular season game
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1693313115075563860
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 21, 2023, 08:42:51 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2023, 11:02:48 AM
Preach
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1693313115075563860
Maybe it's reading too much into it
But this seems to insinuate he would like to play another 3-5 years
Post by: MBGreen on August 21, 2023, 11:48:22 AM
Maybe it's reading too much into it
But this seems to insinuate he would like to play another 3-5 years
Zach inheriting the QB1 job in a few years is gonna hit you pretty hard eh
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2023, 12:00:37 PM
Zach inheriting the QB1 job in a few years is gonna hit you pretty hard eh
Need to make financial decisions about Zach at the end of this season, his option year deadline is next spring. I don't think we have the luxury of a few years before he takes over.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2023, 12:54:56 PM
Need to make financial decisions about Zach at the end of this season, his option year deadline is next spring. I don't think we have the luxury of a few years before he takes over.
The option question is easy. You pick it up. That gets you through the first 3 years of Rodgers. If at the end of 2025 Rodgers says he's got one or two years left in the tank, you give Zach a nice short-term extension with the understanding that once Rodgers retires, the job--and the big payday--are his. If Aaron's done, Zach takes over and gets paid. All assuming Wilson continues to show progression.
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2023, 01:11:06 PM
The option question is easy. You pick it up. That gets you through the first 3 years of Rodgers. If at the end of 2025 Rodgers says he's got one or two years left in the tank, you give Zach a nice short-term extension with the understanding that once Rodgers retires, the job--and the big payday--are his. If Aaron's done, Zach takes over and gets paid. All assuming Wilson continues to show progression.
The fifth year option for a QB is around $23M, and I don't believe we're paying Zach Wilson $23M to be a backup while paying Rodgers to start - if Rodgers is still starting then we're still trying to contend, and $23M buys a lot of other weapons who have a lot more impact than the backup QB.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 21, 2023, 03:05:48 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2023, 03:11:39 PM
The fifth year option for a QB is around $23M, and I don't believe we're paying Zach Wilson $23M to be a backup while paying Rodgers to start - if Rodgers is still starting then we're still trying to contend, and $23M buys a lot of other weapons who have a lot more impact than the backup QB.
Yikes, I didn't realize the option was that much. Yeah, like Cato said, he's not getting that from anyone.
That said, I see no reason not to work something out with him at a reasonable price for both sides. He looks better today than he did last year, so there is improvement so far and room for more behind his mentor.
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
Yikes, I didn't realize the option was that much. Yeah, like Cato said, he's not getting that from anyone.
That said, I see no reason not to work something out with him at a reasonable price for both sides. He looks better today than he did last year, so there is improvement so far and room for more behind his mentor.
Except that if Rodgers looks like sticking around for another year or two, and if Zach is looking decent, he might decide that he doesn't want to sign a deal to ride the pine for two years and would rather just see out his deal and go to FA. He knows we won't franchise him, and if he's backing up the likelihood of a big injury is pretty slim.
Obviously a lot could change in the next year, but I think Zach is going to be a bit of a challenge to figure out if Rodgers doesn't have a clear timeline to retirement.
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2023, 06:10:31 PM
2. If he shows enough to warrant keeping him longer, another team will offer him more than we'd like or promise him a fair shot at a starting job. I don't see him taking a discount to keep hanging around here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 21, 2023, 06:29:03 PM
1. We're not picking up his option
2. If he shows enough to warrant keeping him longer, another team will offer him more than we'd like or promise him a fair shot at a starting job. I don't see him taking a discount to keep hanging around here.
Better weed options outside of Seattle and Denver.
LA and LV are toss-ups.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 22, 2023, 12:16:40 AM
1. We're not picking up his option1 is obvious.
2. If he shows enough to warrant keeping him longer, another team will offer him more than we'd like or promise him a fair shot at a starting job. I don't see him taking a discount to keep hanging around here.
Not sure if I fully agree on 2. He may want to leave for a chance to start, but if Rodgers is gone in 2 years, who gives him a better chance to start than the Jets? And the Jets also may be more willing to pay up for him as a backup at that point if Rodgers is still year to year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 26, 2023, 06:21:49 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 31, 2023, 08:14:25 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230831/e8dfcd833884444a2acd148c517b061e.jpg)
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2023, 07:45:01 PM
How many games will it take Rodgers to surpass Zach's career passing TD total? (15)
Post by: Libero_2 on September 06, 2023, 07:47:17 PM
How many games will it take Rodgers to surpass Zach's passing TD total from last season? (6)
How many games will it take Rodgers to surpass Zach's career passing TD total? (15)
3, 7.
I think he throws 34 TDs this year.
I’m curious how many records he sets for us this year.
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2023, 08:04:02 PM
The current record for largest season-to-season increase in passing TDs in Jets history was set in 2015 when we had 33, an increase of 17 over the prior year.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 06, 2023, 09:00:21 PM
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2023, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2023, 08:10:21 PM
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Aaron Rodgers guarantee to #Jets fans:
"I guarantee that there’s gonna be 11 that show up on the field on the offensive side, on the defensive side, & on the special teams side that are gonna go out & play their hearts out for each other, for the fans, & for the organization."
Aaron Rodgers message to #Jets fans:
"Show up early, be as loud as you possibly can, & put your seat belt on because it’s gonna be a wild ride."
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2023, 07:29:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 10:41:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 10:41:19 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 11, 2023, 10:50:22 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2023, 10:52:55 PM
If it’s his achilles, he’s done. Not just for the year, but he’s going to retire. Why rehab that hard at 40, just to come back and be 70% of himself for next year and then two years from now maybe be the guy he could have been this year?
If it is his Achilles' the upshot is that I can go on ignoring the stupid excrement he'll say on Pat McAfee's podcast because he wasn't really my team's QB in any way that mattered to me.
If it's just a high ankle sprain then I get to root for a future HOF QB coming back later in the season.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 11, 2023, 10:53:22 PM
If it’s his achilles, he’s done. Not just for the year, but he’s going to retire. Why rehab that hard at 40, just to come back and be 70% of himself for next year and then two years from now maybe be the guy he could have been this year?
Not to mention the cotnract mess
I don't know how you find a middleground for both sides
Post by: ons on September 11, 2023, 10:53:35 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 11, 2023, 11:00:49 PM
Telling myself not to dwell on Carr having been a possibility.
Rodgers is worth the gamble. No one in the universe could have predicted an injury like this on essentially a nonchalant play that happens a dozen times every Sunday around the NFL.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2023, 11:01:04 PM
Telling myself not to dwell on Carr having been a possibility.
As the conductor of that train I am really trying to not throw coal into it's boiler.
Post by: reuben on September 11, 2023, 11:07:05 PM
Rodgers is worth the gamble. No one in the universe could have predicted an injury like this on essentially a nonchalant play that happens a dozen times every Sunday around the NFL.
Ummm...
Injuries happen, and they tend to happen more frequently and more severely to older players. Again... the dude is 39. If Tom Brady didn't exist, it wouldn't even be up for debate that Rodgers is past due to fall off the steepest of cliffs.
If the hand injury turned him into a JAG QB, wait until you see what happens to him behind our offensive line.
Post by: Jumbo on September 11, 2023, 11:07:52 PM
Post by: Laxin on September 11, 2023, 11:08:01 PM
Rodgers is worth the gamble. No one in the universe could have predicted an injury like this on essentially a nonchalant play that happens a dozen times every Sunday around the NFL.
He did “tweak” his calf during training camp. Add in his age (most common age is 40-50 for Achilles tear), and it’s not incredibly hard to believe.
It was a routine tackle though, but obviously tissue integrity was compromised enough for it to lead to this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2023, 11:08:14 PM
Ummm...
"LOL," said the scorpion, "LMAO."
He did “tweak” his calf during training camp. Add in his age (most common age is 40-50 for Achilles tear), and it’s not incredibly hard to believe.
It was a routine tackle though, but obviously tissue integrity was compromised enough for it to lead to this.
Add to the fact the tole it took on his body playing behind all of the excrement offensive lines he played behind in the beginning of his career and this wasn't unthinkable.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 11, 2023, 11:16:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 11:18:50 PM
If it is his Achilles' the upshot is that I can go on ignoring the stupid excrement he'll say on Pat McAfee's podcast because he wasn't really my team's QB in any way that mattered to me.
If it's just a high ankle sprain then I get to root for a future HOF QB coming back later in the season.
What? You’re only lying to yourself that there’s any upshot to this
Post by: reuben on September 11, 2023, 11:23:24 PM
What? You’re only lying to yourself that there’s any upshot to this
We have a first round pick next year. That's the only upshot.
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2023, 11:23:59 PM
We have a first round pick next year. That's the only upshot.Good point
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 11, 2023, 11:24:35 PM
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2023, 11:29:29 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 11, 2023, 11:40:23 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2023, 11:44:18 PM
What? You’re only lying to yourself that there’s any upshot to this
You can't take away my solice.
Also, we have a first round pick next season that should probably be a WR or an OT.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 11, 2023, 11:48:07 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 11, 2023, 11:49:13 PM
espn freaking showed a slow-motion replay of the injury and magnified his calf to show the clear pop, fck them
It’s over, my guy
Lisa Wilson’s thangs are back
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 11:50:23 PM
Post by: guinness77 on September 11, 2023, 11:50:58 PM
Lisa Wilson, noted prone bone advocated swordz would know.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 11, 2023, 11:51:18 PM
Post by: guinness77 on September 11, 2023, 11:51:41 PM
i would rather die than prone bone lisa wilsonHahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 11:52:13 PM
i would rather die than prone bone lisa wilson
Why she got them yeeks
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 12:05:39 AM
Slow motion zoom of the tear… only view if you hate yourself
Post by: insanity on September 12, 2023, 12:10:20 AM
https://x.com/aclrecoveryclub/status/1701444670063247586?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgYeah that's not good
Slow motion zoom of the tear… only view if you hate yourself
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 12:11:25 AM
https://x.com/aclrecoveryclub/status/1701444670063247586?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgDid not expect it to shudder like that.
Slow motion zoom of the tear… only view if you hate yourself
I watched because you couldn't tell anything was wrong at the game until Rodgers didn't get up.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 12:16:20 AM
https://x.com/aclrecoveryclub/status/1701444670063247586?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Slow motion zoom of the tear… only view if you hate yourself
Oh yea, that's his career.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 12:40:21 AM
https://youtu.be/fMwFjyJX-x4
Post by: insanity on September 12, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
https://youtube.com/shorts/pcpOikIuFuA?si=Don-xrpJJL0Mtrfy
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 01:42:45 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 07:13:02 AM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 07:35:02 AM
The play was out of sync. It was designed to be a quick pass, which explains why left tackle Duane Brown tried to execute a cut block on Floyd. For some reason, Rodgers held the ball, extending the play.
Brown: "I went to cut the defensive end. He played it well and he got home and Aaron got hit ... I have to execute the cut better."
Vera-Tucker: "It's a three-step drop, get the ball out. I'm not sure what happened during the play; all I know is that he got tackled and didn't get up."
Saleh: "It was kind of an off-schedule play. The play extended further than the timing of the play, which at that point the quarterback ... Duane can't look at that and say it was his fault. You fight until the end of the down, but when it extends the way that it does, it's just a very, very unfortunate play."
Floyd: "From my perspective, the offensive lineman had cut-block me and Aaron was, he still had the ball. I'm like, 'Aaron, please still hold the ball.' And I sacked him, I guess he got hurt. I didn't realize he got hurt until later in the game when he didn't come back in, but it felt good to make a sack for the team at that time."
Brown: "It just sucks."
Vera-Tucker: "[Brown] is a little emotional, as anyone would be in that situation. At the end of the day, it's not his fault. He's just following the playcall."
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 07:43:02 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 07:48:30 AM
It looked like Rodgers did that twice in 4 plays. He held onto it too long in the play where Becton threw a cut block as well.
Rodgers didn’t look right to start the game. It was really weird.
We tried some quick stuff and he just wasn’t throwing it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 07:51:21 AM
1) Mosley injury and walk-off loss at home to the Bills in the 2019 season opener
2) Darnold mono
3) the "seeing ghosts" game at home against the Patriots on MNF (immediately following extremely uplifting victory over the Cowboys in Darndold's return to action)
4) 2-14 season (Darnold hurt and terrible, victory in LA costs us Trevor Lawrence)
5) Greg Knapp dies right before the start of training camp
6) Carl Lawson ruptures his Achilles in Green Bay joint practices after dominating camp
7) Becton dislocates his kneecap in the season opener in Carolina when Greg Van Roten is beaten so badly that he's literally thrown into the back of Becton's leg, ultimately leading to him missing the next two seasons (sidenote: this happened to occur on Zach's first career TD pass)
8) more humiliating losses against the Patriots where our young QB looks incapable, throwing multiple interceptions
9) Zach keeps the ball against Tampa costing us the win in our final encounter with Tom Brady
10) Zach initially appears to tear his ACL on his first preseason drive but (mercifully?) only ends up missing most of the preseason and the first three weeks of the regular season
11) Hall and AVT are both lost for the season in Denver
12) Zach wins despite continued struggles culminating in him flippantly responding "no" to a reporter after being asked if he felt personally responsible for his team's devastating loss in New England leading to his benching
13) we lose our last six games following a 7-4 start, including a humiliating loss to Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars on TNF where Zach gets benched again for Chris Streveler
14) Chuck Clark tears his ACL in OTAs after having never missed a game due to injury
15) Rodgers appears to rupture his Achilles four snaps into his Jets career
Am I missing anything noteworthy?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 07:54:12 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 12, 2023, 07:54:19 AM
Just in the Joe Douglas era we have:
1) Mosley injury and walk-off loss at home to the Bills in the 2019 season opener
2) Darnold mono
3) the "seeing ghosts" game at home against the Patriots on MNF (following extremely encouraging victory over the Cowboys in Darndold's return to action)
4) 2-14 season (Darnold hurt and terrible, victory in LA costs us the #1 pick)
5) Greg Knapp dies right before the start of training camp
6) Carl Lawson ruptures his Achilles in Green Bay joint practices after dominating camp
7) more humiliating losses against the Patriots where our young QB looks incapable, throwing multiple interceptions
8) Zach keeps the ball against Tampa costing us the win in our final encounter with Tom Brady
9) Zach initially appears to tear his ACL on his first preseason drive but (mercifully?) only ends up missing most of the preseason and the first three weeks of the regular season
10) Hall and AVT are both lost for the season in Denver
11) Zach wins despite continued struggles culminating in him flippantly responding "no" to a reporter after being asked if he felt personally responsible for his team's devastating loss in New England leading to his benching
12) we lose our last six games following a 7-4 start, including a humiliating loss to Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars on TNF where Zach gets benched again for Chris Streveler
13) Rodgers appears to rupture his Achilles four snaps into his Jets career
Am I missing anything noteworthy?
This franchise is so jinxed/snakebitten, whatever you want to call it that dealing for a starting safety and having him go down in OTA's doesn't even make a list like this because its a total freaking afterthought.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 07:55:09 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 07:55:42 AM
You’re missing Mekhi Becton
Oh, yes, you're right. Let me fix that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 08:06:45 AM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 08:20:45 AM
Am I missing anything noteworthy?
Does Chuck Clark count?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 08:24:07 AM
Does Chuck Clark count?
I don't think so
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2023, 08:24:34 AM
I keep telling myself that our luck has to turn eventually but it never seems to...
This
I keep trying to force myself to not SOJF but this is just so overwhelming. My wife literally keeps looking at me like she did when my parents passed away and asking if I'm okay. I keep saying "yeah" but I feel freaking heartbroken.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 08:25:52 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 08:26:17 AM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 08:27:03 AM
I don't think soNot a big name but he was a projected starter who went down for the year ridiculously early.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 08:30:19 AM
1) we probably weren't winning the Super Bowl with Rodgers anyway,
2) we keep our 1st round pick, and
3) by season's end, we should know definitively if Zach has a future with us or not
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 08:30:25 AM
Not a big name but he was a projected starter who went down for the year ridiculously early.
Yea, I think a guy who's career is ended due to a training camp neck injury merits a spot on the list.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 08:34:49 AM
Yea, I think a guy who's career is ended due to a training camp neck injury merits a spot on the list.That's Cameron Clark but good point.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 08:34:53 AM
Not a big name but he was a projected starter who went down for the year ridiculously early.
Okay, I'll add him.
Yea, I think a guy who's career is ended due to a training camp neck injury merits a spot on the list.
Clark tore his ACL in OTAs. Who are you referring to? Cam Clark?
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 08:35:26 AM
The silver linings are:The football gods really wanted us to keep that 2024 1st.
1) we probably weren't winning the Super Bowl with Rodgers anyway,
2) we keep our 1st round pick, and
3) by season's end, we should know definitively if Zach has a future with us or not
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
Okay, I'll add him.
(https://d.wattpad.com/story_parts/285/images/160e7ab1cc58ce6c152986688210.gif)
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 08:37:18 AM
(https://d.wattpad.com/story_parts/285/images/160e7ab1cc58ce6c152986688210.gif)I'm moving it all to the depression thread as soon as SFD figures out the unlock function.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 08:37:20 AM
Just in the Joe Douglas era we have:
1) Mosley injury and walk-off loss at home to the Bills in the 2019 season opener
2) Darnold mono
3) the "seeing ghosts" game at home against the Patriots on MNF (immediately following extremely uplifting victory over the Cowboys in Darndold's return to action)
4) 2-14 season (Darnold hurt and terrible, victory in LA costs us Trevor Lawrence)
5) Greg Knapp dies right before the start of training camp
6) Carl Lawson ruptures his Achilles in Green Bay joint practices after dominating camp
7) Becton dislocates his kneecap in the season opener in Carolina when Greg Van Roten is beaten so badly that he's literally thrown into the back of Becton's leg, ultimately leading to him missing the next two seasons (sidenote: this happened to occur on Zach's first career TD pass)
8) more humiliating losses against the Patriots where our young QB looks incapable, throwing multiple interceptions
9) Zach keeps the ball against Tampa costing us the win in our final encounter with Tom Brady
10) Zach initially appears to tear his ACL on his first preseason drive but (mercifully?) only ends up missing most of the preseason and the first three weeks of the regular season
11) Hall and AVT are both lost for the season in Denver
12) Zach wins despite continued struggles culminating in him flippantly responding "no" to a reporter after being asked if he felt personally responsible for his team's devastating loss in New England leading to his benching
13) we lose our last six games following a 7-4 start, including a humiliating loss to Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars on TNF where Zach gets benched again for Chris Streveler
14) Rodgers appears to rupture his Achilles four snaps into his Jets career
Am I missing anything noteworthy?
Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 08:37:37 AM
Elijah Moore
no, freak that guy
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 12, 2023, 08:37:53 AM
The football gods really wanted us to keep that 2024 1st.
Ditka the next two drafts for Caleb Williams
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 08:39:02 AM
I'm moving it all to the depression thread as soon as SFD figures out the unlock function.
Is it a button or something
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 08:39:39 AM
no, freak that guy
Yeah isn’t that the point of this list
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 08:46:58 AM
Okay, I'll add him.
Clark tore his ACL in OTAs. Who are you referring to? Cam Clark?
Yes. I was thinking of Cam Clark. My bad. Mostly because I've only ever thought about Chuck Clark twice, and both of those thoughts were, "who?"
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 08:50:56 AM
Yes. I was thinking of Cam Clark. My bad. Mostly because I've only ever thought about Chuck Clark twice, and both of those thoughts were, "who?"Injured so quickly that we didn't get to know him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 08:56:02 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2023, 08:58:14 AM
Woody is paying the price for not putting in grass instead of turf. Breece and DJ Reed are already mentioning this to the media and on twitter.
We can't put that all on Woody. He's sharing the stadium, so I'm sure he's not making that decision alone.
Bakhtiari tweeted about turf last night and it was getting reposted like crazy. Turf is inexcusable. So is the NFL scheduling both teams to play within 24 hours of one another--turf or no turf.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 08:58:27 AM
https://x.com/nyjace_/status/1701410757261369793?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Yea, that's infuriating.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 08:59:55 AM
Kind of eerie now.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2023, 09:09:42 AM
I was shocked when he sat down, but something just felt off before that. It was only four plays, but he just wasn't throwing the ball in designed quick game.
Kind of eerie now.
I briefly mentioned this last night, but the OL hadn't played a single snap together outside of practice, and he played a couple of series in a single preseason game.
I get that some guys have "earned" not practicing, but that seems like a formula for trouble. And who knows if he was ailing from the first snap thanks to a excrement turf under awful weather conditions the night after another game was played on it. I don't know if it matters, but if his achy calf tightened, maybe it threw off his footing?
Post by: IATA on September 12, 2023, 09:11:52 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 09:26:50 AM
Post by: insanity on September 12, 2023, 09:35:14 AM
Rodgers didn’t look right to start the game. It was really weird.It's super odd. There are stills of the play and the first read looked wide open. I dont get why he didn't throw it or atleast throw it away
We tried some quick stuff and he just wasn’t throwing it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 09:35:52 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 09:37:17 AM
If the Jaguars were able to make it to the AFCCG with Bortles, we should be able to make it with Zach, no?
We definitely have a better backfield than Leonard Fournette and a better defense than the 2017 Jaguars.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 09:38:31 AM
We definitely have a better backfield than Leonard Fournette and a better defense than the 2017 Jaguars.
The main difference is that the conference wasn't nearly as strong then (at least on paper).
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 09:39:18 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 09:44:23 AM
If the Jaguars were able to make it to the AFCCG with Bortles, we should be able to make it with Zach, no?
We ...should... ?
I mean we could, but I don't know about should.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 10:00:48 AM
Welp
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 10:04:37 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
Post by: Jumbo on September 12, 2023, 10:07:56 AM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1701611590456590719
Welp
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Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 10:13:28 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 10:16:14 AM
https://twitter.com/davehill77/status/1701610014631452775
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 10:20:07 AM
At least if he wants to keep playing it happened so early that he'd definitely be able to play next year. I'm 100% sure he won't decide anything soon, nor should he.
Also a full tear is supposedly quicker/cleaner recovery than a partial tear.
Also, it’s his left leg, not his push off leg
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 10:20:18 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 10:26:22 AM
Also a full tear is supposedly quicker/cleaner recovery than a partial tear.
Also, it’s his left leg, not his push off leg
I can probably track down some steroids here. I'll have him back out there in 2 weeks. Gotta get him a rabies vaccine though, them's the rules.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 10:28:26 AM
They’re like plz don’t leave us
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 10:29:22 AM
https://x.com/nyjets/status/1701616636514414860?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
They’re like plz don’t leave us
We've got our Lance Harbor
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 10:30:15 AM
We've got our Lance Harbor
run that freaking oopty-oop right to the Super Bowl
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 10:30:16 AM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 10:30:58 AM
https://x.com/nyjets/status/1701616636514414860?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgWoody holding a gun to the social media coordinator as they wrote that tweet.
They’re like plz don’t leave us
Post by: insanity on September 12, 2023, 10:33:34 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 10:38:41 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Mike Tannenbaum on Get Up talking about how the Jets HAVE to trade for someone and bringing up the Rick Mirer trade like it was a good thing.
This is why he's on ESPN and not an NFL Front Office.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
This is why he's on ESPN and not an NFL Front Office.
"We traded for Rick Mirer who was the best available option and then we discovered Ray Lucas!" as if Lucas wasn't already on the roster and Parcells didn't say that Mirer was a mistake.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 12, 2023, 10:44:23 AM
Post by: Jumbo on September 12, 2023, 10:44:43 AM
"We traded for Rick Mirer who was the best available option and then we discovered Ray Lucas!" as if Lucas wasn't already on the roster and Parcells didn't say that Mirer was a mistake.
Would be a more apt comparison if we didn't basically already know what we have in Wilson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 12, 2023, 10:46:15 AM
These people deserve a lot worse than having to pay their bar tab...
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 10:55:37 AM
Do you really think he's coming back? I don't see a viable scenario there.
All the talk about him playing multiple seasons for this team was centered around him leaving this season healthy.
This isn't an easy rehab to complete. He has the benefit of a lot of money which gets him access to a lot of really good doctors on top of what the Jets' can provide but this will be rough. He's 40. This could take longer than a year. He might not be at 100% by the time the next season starts.
It sucks that we traded away a first and second round pick for a sack, two incompletions and a perfect hand-off percentage but Douglas has to plan like Rodgers isn't on the roster next season.
Post by: IATA on September 12, 2023, 10:58:54 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 10:59:27 AM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 11:01:48 AM
We all knew this season was going to end in a crushing disappointment, so at least we keep our 1st-rd pick.As soon as Fanspeak updates I am going to mock the hell out of the 2024 draft.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 11:04:37 AM
As soon as Fanspeak updates I am going to mock the hell out of the 2024 draft.
Ditka the draft for Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams stays at USC.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:06:38 AM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 11:07:30 AM
Can't seem to draft a QB, can't sign an elite one that lasts. Let's just sign 3-4 mediocre vets and rotate them each week.The Mike White strategy. Play them for their one elite game and then immediately bench them before they remember they suck.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:08:53 AM
The Mike White strategy. Play them for their one elite game and then immediately bench them before they remember they suck.
5th week is wildcat.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
Ryan Fitzpatrick is trending.
He looks fatter than me right now......sign him.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 12, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
All the talk about him playing multiple seasons for this team was centered around him leaving this season healthy.
This isn't an easy rehab to complete. He has the benefit of a lot of money which gets him access to a lot of really good doctors on top of what the Jets' can provide but this will be rough. He's 40. This could take longer than a year. He might not be at 100% by the time the next season starts.
It sucks that we traded away a first and second round pick for a sack, two incompletions and a perfect hand-off percentage but Douglas has to plan like Rodgers isn't on the roster next season.
Don't forget that great season of Hard Knocks
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 12, 2023, 11:15:17 AM
What's our realistic options: Winston? We need to bring in someone in a hurry.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 11:15:22 AM
Don't forget that great season of Hard Knocks
Jihad Ward will never learn about Aaron Rodgers now.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 12, 2023, 11:16:10 AM
He looks fatter than me right now......sign him.
Your not fat your cuddly.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:18:45 AM
Your not fat your cuddly.
You're too nice.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 11:19:22 AM
Every realistic option is basically a backup on a team trying to contend, another team's bust, or a washed up veteran. Brissett and Winston are the only 2 I see that could maybe work, but Winston is another team's bust, and Brissett has been a backup most of his career.
The one wild card option I would make a call about is Tannehill because the Titans may decide to roll with their younger guys in Levis/Willis. But if I'm the Titans, I'm asking for a 3rd round pick and more.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 11:20:22 AM
The realistic option is hoping Zach Wilson can develop under a new OC and with Rodgers' tutelage.
Every realistic option is basically a backup on a team trying to contend, another team's bust, or a washed up veteran.
The one wild card option I would make a call about is Tannehill because the Titans may decide to roll with their younger guys in Levis/Willis. But if I'm the Titans, I'm asking for a 3rd round pick and more.
Tannehill also threw more picks this week than Wilson.
Baker Mayfield might shake loose soon, but screw him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 11:20:57 AM
Tannehill also threw more picks this week than Wilson.Which is why he might be available. He seemed available in the offseason.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 11:22:15 AM
The realistic option is hoping Zach Wilson can develop under a new OC and with Rodgers' tutelage.If we have to give up a 3rd rounder then we have no day 2 picks in 2024 with little to show for it.
Every realistic option is basically a backup on a team trying to contend, another team's bust, or a washed up veteran. Brissett and Winston are the only 2 I see that could maybe work, but Winston is another team's bust, and Brissett has been a backup most of his career.
The one wild card option I would make a call about is Tannehill because the Titans may decide to roll with their younger guys in Levis/Willis. But if I'm the Titans, I'm asking for a 3rd round pick and more.
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 11:23:39 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:23:46 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 11:27:10 AM
If we have to give up a 3rd rounder then we have no day 2 picks in 2024 with little to show for it.Yep, and if I'm one of these teams, it's a 3rd rounder AND something else. They have all the leverage.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2023, 11:31:27 AM
We have to roll with Zach. Any QB they trade for, it'll take them at least a month to get acclimated to a new offense. We might be out of the playoffs by then.
With the way our schedule looks and the fact we won week 1. We could be going into the bye at 2-4 or 3-3
I think the second half of our schedule isn't that bad that if we go 2-4 into the bye getting 9 wins is realistic with 10 on the table assuming we find an upgrade at QB.
So it's not the worst idea to trade for someone with the hope that they can start after the bye week If Zach is complete excrement and we could hope to sneak into the wildcard with a slightly more competent QB.
I wouldn't overpay for someone by any means, but if you can get a guy who is capable of being a top 27 QB, this team can compete to sneak into the wildcard
If we go into the bye 1-5 then yeah the seasons over, but I can't see us losing the next 5.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 11:33:17 AM
With the way our schedule looks and the fact we won week 1. We could be going into the bye at 2-4 or 3-3We can absolutely lose 5 straight given our schedule.
I think the second half of our schedule is easy enough that if we go 2-4 into the bye getting 9 wins is realistic with 10 on the table.
So it's not the worst idea to trade for someone with the hope that they can start after the bye week If Zach is complete excrement and we could hope to sneak into the wildcard with a slightly more competent QB.
If we go into the bye 1-5 then yeah the seasons over, but I can't see us losing the next 5.
It's going to come down to the Patriots and Broncos games. If we can get those, we're 3-3 and right on track. I wouldn't have been too upset with 3-3 with Rodgers. We can potentially survive 2-4.
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 11:34:05 AM
If we go into the bye 1-5 then yeah the seasons over, but I can't see us losing the next 5.
I'm still in shock over losing our starting QB after 4 snaps. Nothing is off the table, including the possibility of losing the next 5. We could also win those games, but i've learned that something on a cosmic level hates this franchise.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 12, 2023, 11:34:58 AM
The realistic option is hoping Zach Wilson can develop under a new OC and with Rodgers' tutelage.
Every realistic option is basically a backup on a team trying to contend, another team's bust, or a washed up veteran. Brissett and Winston are the only 2 I see that could maybe work, but Winston is another team's bust, and Brissett has been a backup most of his career.
The one wild card option I would make a call about is Tannehill because the Titans may decide to roll with their younger guys in Levis/Willis. But if I'm the Titans, I'm asking for a 3rd round pick and more.
I could live with Tannehill but it would cost us what's left of the farm.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2023, 11:37:23 AM
We can absolutely lose 5 straight given our schedule.
It's going to come down to the Patriots and Broncos games. If we can get those, we're 3-3 and right on track. I wouldn't have been too upset with 3-3 with Rodgers. We can potentially survive 2-4.
Sure we can lose the next 5
But we just beat the Bills with Zach getting virtually no first team action and tossed in 4 plays into the game.
I think a realistic expectation is we go 1-4 or 2-3 if we get real freaking lucky. Eitherway I believe 1-4 keeps playoff hopes alive.
Regardless I'm not talking about paying a premium for a QB or anything like that. I'm saying if this team is trying to make the playoffs, that the bye week is a prime opportunity to make a change and there's a good probability our playoff hopes will be alive.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 12, 2023, 11:39:05 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 11:39:32 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 12, 2023, 11:41:28 AM
I'm still in shock over losing our starting QB after 4 snaps. Nothing is off the table, including the possibility of losing the next 5. We could also win those games, but i've learned that something on a cosmic level hates this franchise.
Yes, I too am beginning to think that. No man (me) deserves such miserable luck!
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 11:41:51 AM
if we're looking at Tannehill, we might as well look at someone like Cam Newton. If we're gonna bring in someone that will turn the ball over, might as well bring in someone who won't cost us draft capital.Tannehill had the 10th-lowest interception rate in the NFL last year. I don't think there's much of a difference between Tannehill and Carr, who a lot of people on this board wanted. Granted, Tannehill was awful last week, and maybe he's hit a wall.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:41:54 AM
Post by: guinness77 on September 12, 2023, 11:42:42 AM
"We traded for Rick Mirer who was the best available option and then we discovered Ray Lucas!" as if Lucas wasn't already on the roster and Parcells didn't say that Mirer was a mistake.I said it last night, but Parcells admitted in an interview that was the biggest mistake he made in his career.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:46:05 AM
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Dianna Russini
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The New York Jets have started to reach out to veteran free-agent quarterbacks, per sources.
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 11:46:09 AM
Makes more sense to find someone to back up Zach, not take his place. I don't want to invest anything other than $. Wentz makes sense. Matt Ryan consistently has a high completion %, but he may be comfy in the booth at this point. Ryan isn't coming back unless he's starting. Wentz...who knows.
You just said in another thread that we should prepare for the "next QB injury"
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 11:46:17 AM
Not to point fingers here but... Wilson was open, I think Rodgers held on for the ball too long looking for the long play. Look at the image https://ibb.co/37zRTHd
A lot of people have pointed this out and it's the most frustrating image from the game.
Post by: guinness77 on September 12, 2023, 11:50:42 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:54:12 AM
You just said in another thread that we should prepare for the "next QB injury"
That's what this would be. Have the backup to the backup.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2023, 11:56:12 AM
I mean…is there any chance Wilson excels with Rodgers in his ear, 2 stud RBs, and not Matt LeFleur? There’s got to be a chance, right? We just need like 20 points a game realistically.
Excels? Absolutely not
Possibility he's not a bottom 5 QB? Sure
Post by: guinness77 on September 12, 2023, 11:57:31 AM
Excels? Absolutely notExcel probably wasn’t the right word. Like, average to above-average? Is that asking too much considering the (fairly decent) situation he’s in plus his pick in the draft?
Possibility he's not a bottom 5 QB? Sure
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 11:57:46 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 11:59:03 AM
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As far as QB options for the #Jets to add to depth, again it's reaffirmed to me just now: "Zach's our guy. We'll add a 3rd. Scouts compiling a list."
plz no draft pick trades.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Excel probably wasn’t the right word. Like, average to above-average? Is that asking too much considering the (fairly decent) situation he’s in plus his pick in the draft?
We got a excellent and deep backfield
If the OL can step up, and we decide to bring in some mauling runblocker to roll with the run heaviest offense in the league. It's possible there could be some semblance of success around Zach
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 12:02:39 PM
Post by: insanity on September 12, 2023, 12:03:42 PM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
Sanchez wanna make another run?Zach/Darnold/Sanchez trifecta
Post by: guinness77 on September 12, 2023, 12:06:32 PM
I keep refreshing Twitter with the hope that some sliver of good news about anything drops.You can tell it’s bad when every guy interviewed last night seem spooked by it. I mean, that was a ridiculous win last night, and they all seemed upset.
And, a torn Achilles is, supposedly, easy to spot. From what I’ve heard, the muscle and ligament or whatever roll up underneath the skin.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 12:06:32 PM
I keep refreshing Twitter with the hope that some sliver of good news about anything drops.Like what? Jets sign golden-armed god from little known independent league?
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 12:09:26 PM
You can tell it’s bad when every guy interviewed last night seem spooked by it. I mean, that was a ridiculous win last night, and they all seemed upset.
And, a torn Achilles is, supposedly, easy to spot. From what I’ve heard, the muscle and ligament or whatever roll up underneath the skin.
I was eating lunch when i read this
Post by: insanity on September 12, 2023, 12:10:47 PM
Like what? Jets sign golden-armed god from little known independent league?Anything. Literally anything
Post by: guinness77 on September 12, 2023, 12:13:04 PM
*chef’s kiss*
I was eating lunch when i read this
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 12:14:03 PM
Zach/Darnold/Sanchez trifecta
GO BACK IN THE freaking BASEMENT, TIM!
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2023, 12:14:27 PM
You can tell it’s bad when every guy interviewed last night seem spooked by it. I mean, that was a ridiculous win last night, and they all seemed upset.
And, a torn Achilles is, supposedly, easy to spot. From what I’ve heard, the muscle and ligament or whatever roll up underneath the skin.
Do your best to avoid watching the slow-mo replay. Trust me.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2023, 12:14:37 PM
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Post by: guinness77 on September 12, 2023, 12:15:19 PM
Do your best to avoid watching the slow-mo replay. Trust me.Oh, I’m not re-living that moment. Lol no thank you.
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 12:57:46 PM
*chef’s kiss*
well played
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 01:15:54 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 01:21:09 PM
https://x.com/loyalnyjetfans/status/1701644803165790641?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
If he has a full recovery and can still play at a high level, great! But i'm not putting an ounce of hope into this...not again.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2023, 02:02:56 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 02:44:41 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 02:49:08 PM
1-0 as a starter.
Undefeated in his Jets career. Put him in the ring.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 03:29:23 PM
officially placed on IR
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 03:30:54 PM
Post by: Coach K on September 12, 2023, 03:33:23 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 04:05:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 05:00:44 PM
has anyone checked on Justin Gray?
Divorced, 1 dog
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 12, 2023, 05:06:04 PM
I was shocked when he sat down, but something just felt off before that. It was only four plays, but he just wasn't throwing the ball in designed quick game.
Kind of eerie now.
i remember thinking he looked very awkward and uncomfortable (and very unnatural, for him) on his lone pass attempt / incompletion
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 05:38:45 PM
Should've signed a freaking QB who can actually stay on the field. Like Jimmy GMB was cursing the excrement out of us all off-season long with that.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 05:43:50 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1601839
8/24/13
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/24/4655690/mark-sanchez-injury-jets-right-shoulder
9/11/23
Every year ending in 3 we must sacrifice our starter
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2023, 05:46:52 PM
MB was cursing the excrement out of us all off-season long with that.Did the needful
Post by: Heismanberg on September 12, 2023, 05:48:10 PM
Divorced, 1 dog
hahaha
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 06:26:15 PM
8/23/03Thats what scared me about playing him in the Snoopy Bowl. We dodged that bullet but the football gods are vengeful
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1601839
8/24/13
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/24/4655690/mark-sanchez-injury-jets-right-shoulder
9/11/23
Every year ending in 3 we must sacrifice our starter
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2023, 06:32:40 PM
Thats what scared me about playing him in the Snoopy Bowl. We dodged that bullet but the football gods are vengefulSome real Final Destination excrement
Post by: reuben on September 12, 2023, 07:38:13 PM
excrement man, if only he'd had two months to script these plays with his own personal assistant at OC.
I don't fault the tackles for the Rodgers plays. They were scripted to cut block, they cut blocked. Rodgers held on too long twice.
Post by: reuben on September 12, 2023, 07:50:03 PM
Prescient
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2023, 07:50:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1701604957936583057 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1701604957936583057)
excrement man, if only he'd had two months to script these plays with his own personal assistant at OC.
I don't fault the tackles for the Rodgers plays. They were scripted to cut block, they cut blocked. Rodgers held on too long twice.
I’ll never understand why he didn’t just turf it immediately. Or throw it to a wide open Garrett Wilson.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2023, 08:07:26 PM
Thats what scared me about playing him in the Snoopy Bowl. We dodged that bullet but the football gods are vengeful
When Saleh gave his response about you can't play scared of injury in regard to Rodgers playing in the preseason I cringed.
In my head, I know I shouldn't be superstitious. In my heart, I'm a Jets fan.
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2023, 08:55:15 PM
Also a full tear is supposedly quicker/cleaner recovery than a partial tear.
Also, it’s his left leg, not his push off leg
I can only speak to my experience as someone who tore his achilles last year, but I had a partial tear without surgical repair and while it recovered great, it took a long time and there's a ton of scar tissue - it's like five times the thickness of my undamaged achilles, and it stiffens up easily. My doctor said that a complete rupture with surgical repair is a more painful recovery but it happens quicker and with less long lasting effects.
I'm 10 years older than Rodgers, not in the shape he's in, and using the Canadian public healthcare system versus unlimited access to the most expensive medical and recuperative treatments that money can buy. So I'm pretty confident he can come back.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 12, 2023, 11:28:47 PM
When Saleh gave his response about you can't play scared of injury in regard to Rodgers playing in the preseason I cringed.I think he's right though. Most of the offenses that didn't play in the preseason struggled.
In my head, I know I shouldn't be superstitious. In my heart, I'm a Jets fan.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2023, 07:23:12 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1701933956742983788?t=YfeBID7LXzlxNGhcjRb5-Q&s=19
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 13, 2023, 07:59:50 AM
I think he's right though. Most of the offenses that didn't play in the preseason struggled.
Preseason is a necessary evil--particularly for offensive lines
It was more about him making the statement, just inviting trouble. Again, I know I shouldn't be superstitious, but it just felt like one big "bring it" to bad karma
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2023, 08:04:12 AM
Preseason is a necessary evil--particularly for offensive linesI'll add the karma to the list of things that caused the injury, somewhere behind holding the ball too long, the poorly executed cut block, and the turf.
It was more about him making the statement, just inviting trouble. Again, I know I shouldn't be superstitious, but it just felt like one big "bring it" to bad karma
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2023, 01:07:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1701995021837164955
I know there's a 15 second cut off, but is there a limit to how many people can talk to the QB's ear? I don't know that we'd ask Rodgers to call plays, but having him helping Zach to make reads at the line feels like it could be huge.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2023, 01:13:01 PM
Jets’ HC Robert Saleh said he would “be shocked” if Aaron Rodgers retires.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2023, 01:55:58 PM
https://x.com/brandonperna/status/1701773076059550031?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
It's funny, but when I did mine it didn't hurt at all. I only knew it had happened because I felt the initial tear, which felt more like someone had kicked me in the calf, and then my leg collapsed when I tried to walk on it. I've talked to a couple of people since who have also done their achilles and both were the same, no pain.
MacCorkle is still a little bitch though.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2023, 02:14:29 PM
It's funny, but when I did mine it didn't hurt at all. I only knew it had happened because I felt the initial tear, which felt more like someone had kicked me in the calf, and then my leg collapsed when I tried to walk on it. I've talked to a couple of people since who have also done their achilles and both were the same, no pain.
MacCorkle is still a little bitch though.
The only thing I know about Achilles' tears are that a full tear indoors has a disturbingly loud audible indication which I never want to hear in my life, regardless of who suffers it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2023, 02:36:27 PM
Grass field in 2024 and we ride
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2023, 04:58:10 PM
:'(
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2023, 05:00:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1702076807950840061We keep our 1st rounder
:'(
Aaron comes back in 2024
Win superbowl
Profit
JD playing 6D chess
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2023, 05:59:01 PM
We keep our 1st rounder
Aaron makes it a condition of coming back in 2024 that we replace the turf with grass
Woody agrees
Win superbowl
Profit
FYP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2023, 06:44:34 PM
We keep our 1st rounder
Aaron comes back in 2024
Win superbowl
Profit
JD playing 6D chess
*starts scouting DEs*
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2023, 06:48:15 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2023, 06:49:09 PM
Did anyone else go straight from denial to acceptance with this whole situation?
I assumed the worst when he sat down so I went right to acceptance.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2023, 06:49:37 PM
I assumed the worst when he sat down so I went right to acceptance.I spent about half the game telling myself it would be a sprain.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
I spent about half the game telling myself it would be a sprain.
The look on his face gave it away, which I assume you didn't really get the same shot of in the stadium.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2023, 07:03:41 PM
I spent about half the game telling myself it would be a sprain.
And telling me not to trust Twitter’s Dr. Nick Riviera
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 13, 2023, 07:21:09 PM
I spent about half the game telling myself it would be a sprain.
I was still hoping to hear the MRI surprised everyone as late as Tuesday morning. I tried to process the grief and just couldn't until sometime yesterday evening.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2023, 07:00:54 AM
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I’m told Aaron Rodgers has a strained calf, per sources. It’s considered minor as of now. The anticipation is he should be back fairly quick. #Jets
Wondering how much of an effect this had on the Achilles
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 14, 2023, 07:25:25 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2023, 08:30:42 AM
The more I see the play the more I think it's most, if not all, on Rodgers himself
This is where I was at until Rueben broke down the play yesterday. Everyone has been saying the ball needed to be out to GW, but it looks like that was his third read. If so, why are we cut blocking that side?
Also, even if that play was on Rodgers himself, it’s pretty doubtful his Achilles would have held up all season with half his games on turf
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2023, 08:43:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ByRyanWood/status/1702057471664067046
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2023, 08:58:35 AM
This is interesting. First time I've seen a player say that some players love turf.
https://twitter.com/ByRyanWood/status/1702057471664067046
most skill players love turf because it's a faster surface
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2023, 09:16:07 AM
the ball needed to be out
Ultimately, this the only part that matters. He knows that the pass rush is coming. Toss it or turf it.
Post by: guinness77 on September 14, 2023, 09:48:43 AM
Did anyone else go straight from denial to acceptance with this whole situation?I’m a jets fan, so…yeah.
Post by: guinness77 on September 14, 2023, 09:54:02 AM
Wondering how much of an effect this had on the AchillesProbably none considering it was more than 3 months ago and the injury occurred on a sack and awkward footing as opposed to a non-contact injury.
In terms of turf, I kick a ball around, not throw it and catch it…I’ll take turf over any other surface by far. No “landmines,” quicker game, actually feels better on my legs. About 6 weeks ago I thought I completely popped my right calf on grass on a totally non-contact play. Thankfully, the MRI showed a strain with 2 partial tears (one is more the 5 inches). It was a loud pop and I thought, everyone within earshot of it, thought I was fucked and it happened on grass. Knock on wood, I’ve never gotten hurt on turf.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2023, 11:55:05 AM
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Was told this morning Aaron Rodgers was in the playbook yesterday with Zach. He's present. And will remain so.
Obi-Wan Kenobi vibes
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2023, 12:18:11 PM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81VRSk73UhL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg)
(https://bulkslandscapesupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Duct-Tape.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2023, 12:29:26 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2023, 12:43:38 PM
We need Rodgers in the booth or on the sideline ASAP
I don't care about his location, just give him a headset.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2023, 01:34:11 PM
We need Rodgers in the booth or on the sideline ASAP(https://media.tenor.com/_zhm2l3wQ_QAAAAC/varsity-blues-lance-harbor.gif)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2023, 01:36:05 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2023, 02:20:33 PM
It's not as ideal as Zach sitting and watching for a couple of years, but trial by fire with AR holding his hand might work out.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
I thought that sounded familiar.
Post by: reuben on September 14, 2023, 03:06:43 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 14, 2023, 03:06:52 PM
We need Rodgers in the booth or on the sideline ASAP
I feel like booth Rodgers would make sense given his limited mobility.
Hell let’s just transition the mother fucker to QB coach tomorrow
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2023, 03:22:45 PM
Puck Achilles repair starter kit:Rub some appetizers on it.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81VRSk73UhL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg)
(https://bulkslandscapesupply.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Duct-Tape.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Zach Wilson is MoxDuane Brown is Billy Bob
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2023, 03:31:55 PM
Duane Brown is Billy Bob
Billy Bob is actually good
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2023, 03:32:58 PM
Billy Bob is actually goodI wonder how Bacon is doing
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2023, 07:47:38 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 15, 2023, 08:38:17 AM
Rodgers had his surgery to repair the Achilles yesterday. I'm still holding out hope it's just a high ankle sprain. Can't trust the internet or his own Instagram.
Glad it's done. Hopefully, it's not long before he's back on the sideline helping Zach.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2023, 08:58:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Castellani2014/status/1702091995915661730?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Castellani2014/status/1702091995915661730?s=20)
I thought that sounded familiar.
Gulag for posting barstool
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2023, 08:58:47 AM
Ok ok okkkkk
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 09:05:02 AM
https://x.com/dtereman/status/1702651925483675764?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ok ok okkkkk
Dr. El Segundo
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2023, 09:12:27 AM
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Aaron Rodgers is not back with the #Jets at the moment. He’s fresh off his injury, still figuring out his next steps with surgery, etc.
Even by the shitty standards of our beat Hughes really is absolutely without a clue.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2023, 09:49:45 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2023, 10:01:14 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 11:38:50 AM
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Rodgers is "in great spirits," per Saleh. They've been in contact with him daily. He will be back with the team as soon as he's well enough. #Jets
My QB
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 01:29:56 PM
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Rodgers on his football future: Knew it was torn before MRI: "What I'd like to say is: Give me the doubts. Give me the timetables." Says he will feed on the doubts: "Watch what I do!" #Jets
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 01:31:33 PM
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Rodgers hints that he might try to return for postseason (if #Jets make it). Quoting Kevin Garnett, "Anything is possible." #Jets
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2023, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 01:36:12 PM
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Rodgers thought about Kobe's Achilles after the injury. Texted Dr. ElAttrache immediately to set up surgery. "Definitely some odds stacked against me because of the age, but I like it." #Jets
Rodgers gonna summon the full power of Hell to return next year.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2023, 01:38:23 PM
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Aaron Rodgers on his future on Pat McAfee: "Give me the doubts. Give me the timetables. Give me all the things you think can, should or will happen because all I need is that one little extra percent of inspiration. Give me your doubts. Give me your prognostications and then watch what I do."
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 01:46:04 PM
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Rodgers says he was "pretty emotional" after the game. "Lost it" when Cobb walked into the trainers room. "I just care about it so much that it hit me like a ton of bricks for 24 hours." Anger, too. Why? Why is this happening? #Jets
Rodgers cares. This will light Packers nation on fire.
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2023, 01:48:55 PM
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Aaron Rodgers to Keith Olbermann, who said he got injured because he never got vaccinated:
“Get your fifth booster, Keith.”
lol
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2023, 09:59:12 PM
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Rodgers hints that he might try to return for postseason (if #Jets make it). Quoting Kevin Garnett, "Anything is possible." #Jets
https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-qb-aaron-rodgers-aims-for-potential-playoff-return-after-innovative-surgery
Apparently this is real and a theoretical Rodgers return in middle of January is an actual thing
Post by: Jumbo on September 16, 2023, 10:07:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2023, 10:18:45 PM
Akers did July to December. If Rodgers can rehab properly I can see it. Although if we get to that point, making the playoffs with presumably Zach starting, I don't know if it would be prudent to bench Zach for Rodgers coming off of injury. It'd have to be worse then the Sanchez years.
I guess the argument becomes if we get to the playoffs because of Zach and not despite him. And with our backfield and defense, I could definitely see it being despite him.
I find it unrealistic to imagine a scenario where we'd prefer a healthy Zach to a crippled Rodgers. I think it purely becomes about how committed are to winning now vs ruining the chances of a healthy Rodgers next year
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2023, 10:26:45 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 17, 2023, 01:05:12 AM
if we get to the playoffs it'll be because zach played well and well enough to get us there, and we wouldn't risk bringing rodgers back early if that were the case. we'd just roll with zach.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2023, 01:34:48 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2023, 08:22:40 AM
as good as this team is there is no way we would get to the playoffs 'despite' zach. if that was the case we would have just done that last year, but we didn't because it couldn't happen.
if we get to the playoffs it'll be because zach played well and well enough to get us there, and we wouldn't risk bringing rodgers back early if that were the case. we'd just roll with zach.
This team is so much better than last years. Our megadraft all are in their second year. We had some key injuries that are now healthy. Last year we had a shitty QB with a backfield that was headlined by our current distant #3 back. New OC.
Now I'm not anticipating us making the playoffs barring a Zach improvement. But this team is 100% capable of making the playoffs despite Zach. Especially since now we have one of the most talented deepest back fields in the league, and I imagine we won't be one of the most pass heavy teams in the league this year either
Hopefully this offense will get at least 1000 more rushing yards than we had last year (which still wouldn't put us in the top 3)
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2023, 08:24:54 AM
Rodgers is starting tomorrow.https://youtu.be/WI20n4T1Yu8
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2023, 07:10:52 AM
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Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
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#Jets are hoping to get Aaron Rodgers back in the building next week, per Saleh.
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#Jets are hoping to get Aaron Rodgers back in the building next week, per Saleh.
Duct tape, start him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2023, 12:33:30 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 26, 2023, 12:35:16 PM
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Aaron Rodgers, speaking on the @PatMcAfeeShow
, said the #Jets need to show more poise. He was referring to the sideline blowups. He said the offense needs to "grow up." He added, "It's more the side stuff that I don't like."
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 12:42:44 PM
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Aaron Rodgers, speaking on the @PatMcAfeeShow
, said the #Jets need to show more poise. He was referring to the sideline blowups. He said the offense needs to "grow up." He added, "It's more the side stuff that I don't like."
Those guys played with Zach last year and are seeing the same old bullshit. You played 4 total snaps with this team.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 26, 2023, 12:44:56 PM
Those guys played with Zach last year and are seeing the same old bullshit. You played 4 total snaps with this team.
Michael Carter wasn't mad at Zach Wilson. He was arguing with the running backs coach.
There was a brief shot of Carter showing Zach how he was blocking someone, so Embree probably called him out for something and he didn't like it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 12:52:21 PM
Michael Carter wasn't mad at Zach Wilson. He was arguing with the running backs coach.
There was a brief shot of Carter showing Zach how he was blocking someone, so Embree probably called him out for something and he didn't like it.
Yeah, I saw that.
I'm sure it's a combination of things. Poor scheming/playcalling. Poor OL play. Poor QB play. It all adds up.
But Garrett was pissed. Sauce isn't happy. I agree with Rodgers that it's too early for the locker room to fall apart, but this team looks and feels like it's about to play game 21 of the 2022 season rather than a new year. It's got to be hard not to be frustrated.
Post by: MBGreen on September 26, 2023, 12:57:21 PM
Yeah, I saw that.
I'm sure it's a combination of things. Poor scheming/playcalling. Poor OL play. Poor QB play. It all adds up.
But Garrett was pissed. Sauce isn't happy. I agree with Rodgers that it's too early for the locker room to fall apart, but this team looks and feels like it's about to play game 21 of the 2022 season rather than a new year. It's got to be hard not to be frustrated.
Sauce isn't happy because McCorkle flicked his weiner.
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
Rich Ciminihttps://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1706722967659405594?t=QVPmg_27IKkWFHju2CbfrQ&s=19
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Aaron Rodgers, speaking on the @PatMcAfeeShow
, said the #Jets need to show more poise. He was referring to the sideline blowups. He said the offense needs to "grow up." He added, "It's more the side stuff that I don't like."
Post by: reuben on September 26, 2023, 01:01:56 PM
Post by: insanity on September 26, 2023, 01:16:05 PM
Speaking of Carter, dude made some absolute killer blitz pick-ups on Sunday. The knock on him in the past is that he's too small to pass block, but he's looked pretty solid this year.Carter, bam, izzy > dalvin cook
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Rodgers: “When we're not having success, how do we respond? How do we respond to adversity? That goes for our fan base and former players, as well. You're not helping the cause.” #Jets
That's the sound of Rodgers dunking on Joe Namath
Post by: Heismanberg on September 26, 2023, 01:22:41 PM
Carter, bam, izzy > dalvin cook
Bam stinks
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 01:29:22 PM
Sauce isn't happy because McCorkle flicked his weiner.
It was either him or Garrett (and I think it was Sauce) in the postgame that was asked about the play of the offense and QB and his response was something along the lines of "I'm not gonna comment on that because you guys are gonna get me in trouble."
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 01:32:06 PM
That's the sound of Rodgers dunking on Joe Namath
Really don't want to hear this excrement from a former Super Bowl champ. Dude, we've been watching (and paying for) this garbage unwatchable product for a really long time. What "cause" aren't we helping by being fed up with a guy who is playing like crap at the most important position on the field?
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2023, 01:32:52 PM
It was either him or Garrett (and I think it was Sauce) in the postgame that was asked about the play of the offense and QB and his response was something along the lines of "I'm not gonna comment on that because you guys are gonna get me in trouble."He's not wrong.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 26, 2023, 01:33:55 PM
It was either him or Garrett (and I think it was Sauce) in the postgame that was asked about the play of the offense and QB and his response was something along the lines of "I'm not gonna comment on that because you guys are gonna get me in trouble."
Did this actually happen? I think it would've been a bigger deal if it did.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Did this actually happen? I think it would've been a bigger deal if it did.
It was either Garrett or Sauce. I can't remember which.
Whichever one said it smiled and kind of laughed and then all the reporters did too, so it wasn't a big deal. But even joking it's something.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 26, 2023, 01:40:00 PM
That's the sound of Rodgers dunking on Joe Namath
If he gets too riled up he might fall off the bench and re-injure his achilles.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2023, 01:41:45 PM
Really don't want to hear this excrement from a former Super Bowl champ. Dude, we've been watching (and paying for) this garbage unwatchable product for a really long time. What "cause" aren't we helping by being fed up with a guy who is playing like crap at the most important position on the field?Rodgers is new and wants to change the culture, but the Rodgers storyline also is a reflection of what this team has been through for 50 years, so it's hard. He's right that it doesn't help. But it's hard.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 02:00:36 PM
Did this actually happen? I think it would've been a bigger deal if it did.
I was just on SNY trying to find the pressers, but both of theirs are cut up so they don't include the whole thing. I'll see if I still have the postgame DVR'd later tonight.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 02:01:57 PM
Rodgers is new and wants to change the culture, but the Rodgers storyline also is a reflection of what this team has been through for 50 years, so it's hard. He's right that it doesn't help. But it's hard.
Yeah, I get it. Like I said, I don't want to hear this from a guy who raised the Lombardi. We've been pained by this team for our entire lives. This is just one more excrement year on the pile. Yeah, we're upset and we're going to be vocal about it.
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2023, 02:08:50 PM
Really don't want to hear this excrement from a former Super Bowl champ. Dude, we've been watching (and paying for) this garbage unwatchable product for a really long time. What "cause" aren't we helping by being fed up with a guy who is playing like crap at the most important position on the field?
This is such a SOJF attitude. "You're a winner and you don't understand us losers so just leave us alone and let us whine in peace while we manifest inevitable destiny upon ourselves." He was brought here to change that freaking culture, unfortunately he's not going to be on the field to do it this year but it doesn't mean you have to immediately revert back to its warm and miserable embrace.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 02:35:42 PM
This is such a SOJF attitude. "You're a winner and you don't understand us losers so just leave us alone and let us whine in peace while we manifest inevitable destiny upon ourselves." He was brought here to change that freaking culture, unfortunately he's not going to be on the field to do it this year but it doesn't mean you have to immediately revert back to its warm and miserable embrace.
This is ridiculous
As a paying customer, I get to be sick and tired of watching an inept organization continue to trot out a terrible player at the most important position in the sport. And I'll be vocal about it and boo his awful play.
Hearing a Super Bowl winner tell us we should calm down and that getting upset is part of the problem is some deep bullshit.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2023, 02:37:07 PM
This is ridiculousHow is it bullshit? And how does his Super Bowl make one difference one way or the other?
As a paying customer, I get to be sick and tired of watching an inept organization continue to trot out a terrible player at the most important position in the sport. And I'll be vocal about it and boo his awful play.
Hearing a Super Bowl winner tell us we should calm down and that getting upset is part of the problem is some deep bullshit.
The players should want positivity and support. Fans can do whatever they want. Fans can think it's bullshit, and that's your right, but it seems really stupid to get pissed about that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 02:45:16 PM
How is it bullshit? And how does his Super Bowl make one difference one way or the other?
The players should want positivity and support. Fans can do whatever they want. Fans can think it's bullshit, and that's your right, but it seems really stupid to get pissed about that.
I said I don't want to hear from a guy who doesn't know what it's like to watch your team be inept for decades telling me I'm part of the problem because I'm sick of watching the team trot out a garbage player. They want positivity? They want support? Earn it. I'll cheer the hell out of the defense. But Zach can GTFO.
It's always funny to hear the complaints about SOJF. The reason there are SOJFs is because this team continues to be poorly run. Yeah, Rodgers getting hurt is just terrible luck and it's not worth stewing over. But not getting a better QB in-house than Trevor Siemien while other teams were moving guys who may have helped to their rosters is Same Old Jets.
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2023, 04:38:36 PM
I said I don't want to hear from a guy who doesn't know what it's like to watch your team be inept for decades telling me I'm part of the problem
So like I said. Your problem is that you don't a winner telling you how not to be a loser, you want to be left to wallow in your own losing misery the way you have for years.
It's SOJF distilled.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 06:21:41 PM
So like I said. Your problem is that you don't a winner telling you how not to be a loser, you want to be left to wallow in your own losing misery the way you have for years.
It's SOJF distilled.
k
I feel very same old Jets so...
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2023, 06:25:21 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 26, 2023, 06:29:20 PM
I'm in favor of Rodgers telling people to nut up.
He can say whatever he wants but he’s also only been the Jets QB for 4 snaps and a preseason soap opera so…I really don’t care what his opinion is re: the fanbase’s reaction to the current roster and performance.
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2023, 06:31:56 PM
He can say whatever he wants but he’s also only been the Jets QB for 4 snaps and a preseason soap opera so…I really don’t care what his opinion is re: the fanbase’s reaction to the current roster and performance.
Maybe the fact that he isn't currently infected with the Jets culture of losing is why people should pay attention to what he's saying.
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2023, 06:32:10 PM
He can say whatever he wants but he’s also only been the Jets QB for 4 snaps and a preseason soap opera so…I really don’t care what his opinion is re: the fanbase’s reaction to the current roster and performance.I don't think he's purely talking to the fans. It's obvious that our younger players are very susceptible to external noise.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 26, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
I don't think he's purely talking to the fans. It's obvious that our younger players are very susceptible to external noise.
He can be, and was, talking about more than one component. I was addressing the part that I, nominally, belong to.
The team can, and should, listen to them all they want. I'm going to continue to ignore the guy on the sidelines.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 07:36:35 PM
Maybe the fact that he isn't currently infected with the Jets culture of losing is why people should pay attention to what he's saying.
Yup, because Rodgers telling everyone suck it up and put on a smile is the change in the culture of poor roster management and coaching this team needs!
I'm sure cheering for Zach will bring out that elite QB hiding inside him.
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2023, 07:52:50 PM
Yup, because Rodgers telling everyone suck it up and put on a smile is the change in the culture of poor roster management and coaching this team needs!
I'm sure cheering for Zach will bring out that elite QB hiding inside him.
It probably won't, but it stands a much better chance than 50,000 people calling him seven types of queynte when he misses a pass.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2023, 09:07:18 PM
It probably won't, but it stands a much better chance than 50,000 people calling him seven types of queynte when he misses a pass.
That's quite an oversimplification.
Dude's missing open receivers, running backwards and taking sacks, and making every poor decision possible (like the safety). And this is just continued behavior from last year. And the year before.
He's not bad. He's terrible. And he's broken. I'd love for you to shove this post in my face in December and January but I'm not worried you will.
Post by: MBGreen on October 03, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
this was an interesting read.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 03, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38507173/ahead-new-york-jets-aaron-rodgers-comeback-achilles-tear
this was an interesting read.
Vinny T needs to stop attending games
Post by: MBGreen on October 03, 2023, 11:42:08 AM
Vinny T needs to stop attending games
Vinny T > Tim Boyle
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 03, 2023, 01:05:14 PM
Vinny T > Tim Boyle
I mean, yeah. But he should still stay out of the stadium to protect QB Achilles.
Actually, he should start attending as many New England, Miami, and Buffalo games as possible.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 03, 2023, 03:20:51 PM
#ITTFFSP
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Post by: Derek Smalls on October 03, 2023, 03:25:23 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 03, 2023, 03:34:58 PM
it never ends with this guy.
#ITTFFSP
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he said in a following show that that was just a joke from him to get a rise out of people lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 03, 2023, 03:39:19 PM
he said in a following show that that was just a joke from him to get a rise out of people lol
Because he knows he'll never get the benefit of the doubt.
That was from like 2 weeks ago. I thought that bump would be for calling Kelce "Mr. Pfizer" as Rodgers signs checks from Mr. Johnson.
I can't stand Pat McAfee so any quotes I hear/read from his show are always late.
#ITTFFSP
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2023, 05:02:17 PM
it never ends with this guy.Mandatory listening
#ITTFFSP
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https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/8---the-dolphin
Post by: dcm1602 on October 03, 2023, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 10, 2023, 12:50:49 PM
Training with JK Dobbins
Post by: Coach K on October 10, 2023, 01:27:02 PM
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1711800307036963327?s=46&t=Q9JsEynxHxZ9F2lOwU2UuwHopefully Dobbins curse doesn't rub off on Rodgers .
Training with JK Dobbins
#ITTFFSP
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 10, 2023, 01:38:50 PM
Post by: Coach K on October 10, 2023, 01:44:30 PM
I can't watch the Rodgers interviews because the vaccine stuff drives me nuts, so I just watch clips.I think the only times he's ever gotten into that since being a jet is
A) Olbermann response
B) joke about Kelce lol
Both less than a 10 sec topic lol
#ITTFFSP
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2023, 01:59:12 PM
Post by: Coach K on October 10, 2023, 02:49:20 PM
Olbermann is an poopchute- look I get the Vax thing is weird but wishing harm to him is being a kind of a dick.Kind of? lol it makes Olbermann more punch!ble than ever and he broke that scale over a decade ago lol
#ITTFFSP
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2023, 02:10:24 PM
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Saleh likes having Aaron Rodgers around:
"His super power is his presence. Him being in this building, being around his teammates, being in the locker room, his positive attitude, his thoughts of manifestation and all that stuff, I think it's powerful.
"Obviously, as a coach, of course, selfishly, I want him here every single day. I want him in every meeting. I want him on the practice field. I want him on the sideline. I want him in the locker room ... because he's an unbelievable human and, outside of scheme and playing ability, the intangibles that he brings to his teammates and the fuel I think his teammates will give to him is priceless." #Jets
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Post by: steves850 on October 16, 2023, 02:16:59 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2023, 02:27:25 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-aaron-rodgers-on-pace-for-unprecedented-return-possibly-as-soon-as-week-15-injury-expert-says/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-aaron-rodgers-on-pace-for-unprecedented-return-possibly-as-soon-as-week-15-injury-expert-says/)
Gets a quarter in before he tears it again.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 16, 2023, 05:22:57 PM
Gets a quarter in before he tears it again.
Why would you do this?
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
Why would you do this?He doesn't like Rodgers
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2023, 06:56:40 PM
Why would you do this?
Because I have no control over the universe and nothing I say or do on the subject matters.
He doesn't like Rodgers
This is what full commitment to Plan Z looks like.
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2023, 09:02:40 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2023, 09:04:14 AM
https://x.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1713984639193215448?s=20
Then he Perfect-plexes Daboll.
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2023, 09:24:23 AM
Then he Perfect-plexes Daboll.
tough to fisherman suplex a guy with no neck.
Post by: steves850 on October 17, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
https://x.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1713984639193215448?s=20
Man, those Perfect vignettes were... perfect.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2023, 01:49:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2023, 02:11:45 PM
* He's "ahead of schedule," but says he must hit a bunch of markers in rehab and be cleared before he can play: "Hopefully, we get to have those conversations."
* Makes "absolutely no sense" put a timetable on it (even though he has said he wants to play this year).
* It was "special" to be at Sunday's game, throwing in pre-game and wearing a headset. It made him feel "normal."
* Said he's "the voice of calm and reason" on the headset.
* Was debating whether to fly east for the game, but Saleh convinced him, saying, "Need you here, buddy." He's now back in SoCal. #Jets
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
Post by: steves850 on October 17, 2023, 04:06:52 PM
Tell Woody the field sucks.
This made me think, who has say on the field? What if Mara wants turf and Woody wants grass, who "wins" this battle?
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2023, 04:21:23 PM
This made me think, who has say on the field? What if Mara wants turf and Woody wants grass, who "wins" this battle?
The lawsuit?
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2023, 05:57:41 PM
This made me think, who has say on the field? What if Mara wants turf and Woody wants grass, who "wins" this battle?Thousands of WFAN callers suddenly start saying turf is classier than grass
Post by: Johnny English on October 17, 2023, 06:00:25 PM
This made me think, who has say on the field? What if Mara wants turf and Woody wants grass, who "wins" this battle?
The Jet fans, when Woody uses the impasse as an excuse to break the lease, sell his share of Metlife, and build us a stadium of our own.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2023, 06:54:12 PM
The Jet fans, when Woody uses the impasse as an excuse to break the lease, sell his share of Metlife, and build us a stadium of our own.Which would likely trigger the lawsuit.
Post by: Johnny English on October 17, 2023, 06:57:17 PM
Which would likely trigger the lawsuit.
Depends whether Mara and Rooney have had enough of Woody's excrement and want to buy him out, or bring in a less annoying partner. The lease has 5 year breaks in it, I believe.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2023, 07:01:45 PM
Depends whether Mara and Rooney have had enough of Woody's excrement and want to buy him out, or bring in a less annoying partner. The lease has 5 year breaks in it, I believe.I'm sorry, I didn't mean to mention it as if it was serious. Think of "The Lawsuit" more as a nebulous thing people on the internet will screech about at each other with no clear concept of how contracts work.
Post by: Johnny English on October 17, 2023, 07:05:04 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to mention it as if it was serious. Think of "The Lawsuit" more as a nebulous thing people on the internet will screech about at each other with no clear concept of how contracts work.
Ah gotcha. FWIW, I don't think Woody has any desire to get out of Metlife. Maybe the idiot mayor can gift him a big parcel of land with some giftwrapped zoning and tempt him to build NYC's SoFi.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 17, 2023, 07:28:43 PM
Ah gotcha. FWIW, I don't think Woody has any desire to get out of Metlife. Maybe the idiot mayor can gift him a big parcel of land with some giftwrapped zoning and tempt him to build NYC's SoFi.
Well, Manhattan no longer has the space.
But there's a tennis complex in Queens just taking up space all but two weeks out of the year that can be leveled for the cause.
Post by: Johnny English on October 17, 2023, 07:30:12 PM
Well, Manhattan no longer has the space.
But there's a tennis complex in Queens just taking up space all but two weeks out of the year that can be leveled for the cause.
Maybe they could build it where they were going to put Amazon HQ2.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2023, 07:47:35 PM
Maybe they could build it where they were going to put Amazon HQ2.Put it in Staten that way NJ and Queens residents can both say they won't go.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2023, 08:03:52 PM
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-caleb-williams-were-among-the-players-jostling-for-equity
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2023, 08:15:20 PM
New owner Aaron Rodgers could put in grass.And a UFO observatory/listening post/smelloscope.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-caleb-williams-were-among-the-players-jostling-for-equity
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2023, 09:03:26 AM
This made me think, who has say on the field? What if Mara wants turf and Woody wants grass, who "wins" this battle?
https://x.com/gothamcitycrew/status/1714338997663641759?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Post by: Johnny English on October 29, 2023, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 29, 2023, 11:08:00 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/17j5nms/highlight_aaron_rodgers_getting_some_throws_in_at/
I'm not cool with him doing drops and excrement like this on a damp field.
Just go sit in the press box, man.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 29, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2023, 11:20:35 AM
I honestly hope Wilson progresses into a legit franchise starter before Rodgers gets healthy. Watching the FO and the fanbase trying to navigate that scenario would be the funniest thing on the planet.
I've thought about this a bunch of times already. If Zach plays this team into the playoffs, how do you handle Rodgers if he can actually return?
I'm 100% in for the stress of the situation, but I'll definitely be stressed if it happens.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 29, 2023, 11:21:08 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 29, 2023, 11:21:56 AM
I've thought about this a bunch of times already. If Zach plays this team into the playoffs, how do you handle Rodgers if he can actually return?My hope is for whatever pisses off the guy who thought he saw aliens flying in the sky the most.
I'm 100% in for the stress of the situation, but I'll definitely be stressed if it happens.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 29, 2023, 04:33:10 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2023, 03:41:23 PM
Next season is what he most likely meant.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 31, 2023, 04:12:54 PM
Joe Douglas just said they are planning for Rodgers to come back
Next season is what he most likely meant.
No one is sure, he purposely was ambiguous, the radio guys were going nutso about it. Tiki Barber in particular said he was at 3 months ahead in recovery but we all kind of know that.
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2023, 04:16:25 PM
No one is sure, he purposely was ambiguous, the radio guys were going nutso about it. Tiki Barber in particular said he was at 3 months ahead in recovery but we all kind of know that.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1719452775493386559
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 03, 2023, 01:05:27 PM
12/28 (at Browns)? Or just nonsense advertisements?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 03, 2023, 01:11:20 PM
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1720479847577731216Guy loves conspiracy theories so much he started making one for himself.
12/28 (at Browns)? Or just nonsense advertisements?
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 07:54:29 AM
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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Aaron Rodgers was sitting at his locker a couple of weeks before the New York Jets’ Sept. 11 season opener, in no rush after a shower as others hurried to a mandatory team meeting. On his way out, defensive lineman John Franklin-Myers made a crack to Rodgers about taking his time. They both laughed.
Rodgers misses those moments now, chopping it up with the Jets’ mercurial group of defensive linemen, lockers positioned all around him. Wednesday, quarterbacks Tim Boyle and Trevor Siemian were locked into an intense game of Ping-Pong as Zach Wilson spoke to a large group of reporters a few feet away, the three players comprising the quarterback room with Rodgers thousands of miles away in Malibu, Calif. At one point, Siemian hit the ball too far and it rolled toward Rodgers’ locker, mostly vacant aside from the scooter leaned up against it, logoed with his No. 8 and a jet plane. It’s waiting for him, to help him get around the facility, whenever he returns.
For now, he’s in the throes of rehab for his Achilles injury, intent on making history and returning to play football just a few months after his September surgery. On weekends, he flies to New Jersey to join his teammates for games at MetLife Stadium. He watches from the sideline, with a headset, and spends most of the game offering advice and words of encouragement to his teammates and coaches. He’s basically become a part-time member of the coaching staff, which is what his role will be until he’s ready to play again.
The Jets organization, from ownership to coaches to the locker room, has dreams of Rodgers making a miraculous return and playing again this season as the team makes a playoff push. Some in the organization know that might not be realistic.
“I just don’t see how it’s remotely possible, that’s where I’m at,” said one high-ranking Jets source, speaking on the condition of anonymity so he is not seen as unsupportive of the quarterback. “I’m not counting it out, but it would be insane if it happened.”
In the meantime, Rodgers is still trying to make an impact, in the same way he did when games didn’t matter yet and he stuck around for the Jets’ offseason program, which he rarely did with the Packers. Since his trade to the Jets in April, Rodgers has helped to change the demeanor of an organization riddled with negativity through years of disappointment. His message is still resonating — especially when he’s there on Sundays, wearing a headset, playing his part and encouraging his teammates to stay positive, even in moments of peril.
The Jets have won three games in a row heading into Monday night’s game against the Chargers — Rodgers will be on the headset again for that one — and are 4-3 despite losing him four plays into the season. Maybe he’s not playing, but he’s still helping them win in other ways.
Aaron Rodgers was on the sideline with Robert Saleh when the Jets played the Eagles on Oct. 15. (Brad Penner / USA Today)
Last week, the Jets trailed by 3 points with 24 seconds left against a Giants team that had accumulated negative passing yards. Rodgers, an active voice on the headset with offensive coaches in recent weeks, was offering thoughts and suggestions throughout the game. Offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett specifically took his advice on multiple occasions, according to multiple Jets coaches, but the offense mostly struggled. The Jets were 1 of 13 on third down in regulation, a stat indicative of a season-long problem on third down and the red zone, where the Jets have the worst conversion rate in the NFL.
But after Graham Gano missed a field goal and gave the Jets the chance to march down the field, Rodgers pulled Wilson and some other offensive players aside and told them: Clear your minds, stay positive — and go win this game.
And so they did: After two big Wilson throws to Garrett Wilson and Allen Lazard and a timely spike with 1 second left, Greg Zuerlein kicked a field goal to tie it, and then the Jets won in overtime. Some Jets players in the locker room said it felt like Wilson turned into Rodgers for 24 seconds.
“Aaron obviously is a big manifester, in making sure that your mind, No. 1, is sharp,” Boyle said. “And you can’t have a successful play or a successful game without first and foremost believing in it.”
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Todd Downing runs the quarterback meetings, and he likes to have fun. The Jets passing game coordinator does it to break up the monotony of the season, to keep things fresh, and it serves a purpose beyond just having a good time. He incorporates the Jets’ game plan and film review into popular game shows like “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?” and “Jeopardy,” with help from Jets instructional designer John Vieira. There are fun questions mixed in, too, including some about movies.
In late September, before the Week 3 Patriots game, Zach Wilson made it to the final question to “win” a million dollars. It was about a movie, and Wilson was stumped, so he pulled a lifeline: Phone a friend. That was Rodgers, who happened to be watching the very movie that was the answer to the question: “The Shawshank Redemption.”
Rodgers occasionally will FaceTime into quarterback meetings to check in, and he often texts with Wilson and Boyle, though his focus during the week has mostly been on rehab and his weekly appearances on “The Pat McAfee Show.”
“It’s a brotherhood,” Downing said. “We wouldn’t have it any other way than to FaceTime Aaron in there and to make sure everyone is involved. Those FaceTimes aren’t necessarily: Hey, what are you thinking on this? What would you tell me on this? It’s more like we miss our brother and want him to be a part of the meeting. Those two (Wilson and Rodgers) have a cool big brother, little brother relationship going on, and it’s been fun to watch.”
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Wilson credits Rodgers with helping to build back his confidence. He followed him everywhere, studied his process and picked his brain. Wilson wasn’t supposed to play this season, though, and losing Rodgers meant the Jets were losing his presence in meetings, too. Boyle and Siemian, the latter who signed with the Jets on Sept. 26, have tried to fill that void to help Wilson. Boyle was teammates with Rodgers in Green Bay.
“The quality of life in our quarterback room is high,” Boyle said. “We all get along really well. We all have a very good relationship, we have good rapport, there’s no sensitivity. We’re able to have open, honest, blunt conversations, which I think is refreshing.”
Boyle acknowledged losing Rodgers from the room was a “tough blow,” though.
“We’re excited to get Aaron back here. Hopefully soon, just to have him around, bounce some things off him,” Boyle said. “But we love our quarterback room. I love coming to work every day.”
Siemian — with 30 career starts, including one in 2019 with the Jets — has helped to fill some of that knowledge gap with Rodgers gone. Together, Boyle and Siemian know their No. 1 job: Be there for Zach.
“I always think the quarterback room has gotta be your foxhole,” Siemian said, “because there’s nobody else that knows what you’re going through or knows what the day-to-day is like, the week-to-week, the game day. I think it’s critically important that you have a couple guys in your room that you can lean on.”
Aaron Rodgers, Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle at training camp in July. (Mike Stobe / Getty Images)
Wilson has leveled out after a bad Week 3 loss to the Patriots that had many (including Joe Namath) calling for his head, though it has been far from perfect. He’s thrown only five touchdowns in seven games, after all, and is completing only 58.3 percent of his passes. But Wilson is still leaning on Rodgers, even if he’s not around for practice.
“I wouldn’t say he’s not here,” safeties coach Marquand Manuel said before the Patriots game. “We still work with that … positive spirit that he brought to a team that hasn’t had it in a while.”
A week later, Rodgers was there — to the surprise of just about everyone.
The Jets are one of many NFL teams that stays at a hotel the night before home games. On Saturday, the Jets have a team meeting, and various players will often stand up and speak to the offense, the defense or the group as a whole. On Sept. 30, they had a surprise speaker: Rodgers.
“He just came into the team room like Batman, honestly,” Lazard said.
The crowd went wild. And his message to the team resonated: Stick together. Stay positive. And stop pointing fingers.
That last part was a reference to the week before, when cameras caught some Jets offensive players, including running back Michael Carter and Garrett Wilson, getting animated with coaches. That bothered Rodgers. On McAfee’s show that week, he told them to “grow up” and intimated that those sorts of things wouldn’t happen if he were there.
He was right. There have been no sideline issues since then, with Rodgers in person for three of the Jets’ last four games. He was cleared to travel for the Jets’ game against the Chiefs on Oct. 1, just a few weeks after surgery, and Rodgers walked around the field on crutches before watching from a press box.
On Oct. 10, Jets vice chairman Christopher Johnson expressed confidence that Rodgers might return this season, telling The Athletic: “I wouldn’t put it past him.” Before the Eagles game on Oct. 15, head coach Robert Saleh asked Rodgers if he wanted to watch the game from the sideline or from the box — Rodgers said sideline, and he wanted a headset, too. Saleh happily obliged. Before that game, Rodgers was already off crutches and walking around normally, without a boot, and even threw a few passes. Before the Giants game, he incorporated dropbacks into the routine. Rodgers has admitted there’s still a long way to go in his rehab, but his teammates watch in amazement.
“He might be an alien,” offensive tackle Mekhi Becton said, adding that seeing Rodgers on the field has been “extra motivation, for sure … you know he’s doing everything to get back here with us.”
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His teammates have welcomed his sideline presence.
“Aaron brings confidence and that presence to the coaches as well as the players,” Boyle said. “I know when he came back and surprised us before the Chiefs game we all had this fresh breath of air, like: Aaron’s back. Everyone’s a better player when Aaron is around.”
“You can see the smile on everybody’s face when he comes in,” Becton said. “It’s like an uplifting spirit whenever he walks in here.”
He helps on the headset, too. Hackett uses a collaborative play-calling strategy that allows for everyone to chime in, and Rodgers has become a crucial part of that in recent games. Hackett is the only one who can communicate with Zach Wilson during the game, but he’s in constant conversation with Saleh, Downing, offensive line coach Keith Carter and others. Carter leads the run game, Downing the passing game. Wide receivers coach Zach Azzanni focuses on two-minute drill, quarterbacks coach Rob Calabrese on the red zone and running backs coach Taylor Embree and tight ends coach Ron Middleton together work on short yardage and goal-line situations.
And then there’s Rodgers, offering opinions, advice and words of encouragement.
“Sometimes it’s calming,” Hackett said, smiling. “Aaron is fantastic. It’s always great to have him on there. He’s brilliant when it comes to understanding the game of football, so he’s always offering different things up, and I appreciate that.”
Aaron Rodgers still has a long way to go in his rehab, but his visits are helping to uplift the Jets. (Vincent Carchietta / USA Today)
In the preseason, Rodgers was on the headset for the Hall of Fame Game against the Browns and called for a deep shot from Wilson to wide receiver Malik Taylor. It worked, Wilson completing a 57-yard pass. And though Rodgers didn’t call for the play against the Giants, Wilson took another deep shot to Taylor in overtime last week that drew a pass-interference penalty and helped to set up the winning field goal.
In the days after the Jets’ Week 5 win against the Broncos, Rodgers made it clear he didn’t like the conservative game plan in the red zone. The Jets’ play-calling in that area — which Hackett calls the “gold zone” — leaned heavily into calling plays in a predictable run-run-pass sequencing that often put the Jets behind the sticks. They changed that formula against the Eagles a week later, though the red-zone struggles still continued.
Rodgers was supportive of the conservative game plan against the Giants, especially considering all of the factors working against the offense. The Jets were down to their third center (practice squad lineman Xavier Newman) after multiple injuries, it was cold and rainy, and the Giants pass rush was presenting a challenge.
At one point, Rodgers walked up to Becton on the sideline and asked what play he wanted to run. His answer was simple: Run the ball behind me.
“It happened a few drives later,” Becton said, laughing.
Mostly, Rodgers has been a supportive voice on the headset. One Jets staffer joked that Rodgers figured out the perfect formula for coaching: Show up on Saturday, leave on Monday, spend the week in California, then return the following weekend.
“In reality, every team has locker room leaders. He’s ours. So of course his presence is wanted,” a Jets coach said. “He’s been a great teammate, the players are our teammates. It’s not about coaches coach and players play. It’s about all of us locking arms and trusting one another to voice our thoughts respectfully.”
General manager Joe Douglas said recently he still expects Rodgers to rejoin the team, though he’s not sure when.
“It is just good having him around,” Douglas said.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2023, 08:11:34 AM
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quarterbacks coach Rob Calabrese on the red zone and running backs coach Taylor Embree and tight ends coach Ron Middleton together work on short yardage and goal-line situations
Maybe take these responsibilities away and give them to someone else?
Post by: Johnny English on November 06, 2023, 08:26:45 AM
If your kid crashes your car enough times, you stop giving him the keys.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2023, 08:42:23 AM
There's no way Rodgers was taking him seriously
I'm not really upset with Middleton/Embree doing short yardage stuff. They aren't calling the empty sets and pass plays on 3rd and 1. That's on Hackett.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 08:47:42 AM
Why is Calabrese still employed?
this
when i read that he was the RZ guy, everything made sense. He should've been escorted out of the building with LaFleur.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2023, 08:52:29 AM
Some Jets fans seem to think he's a genius at calling plays, despite little evidence.
He loves Hackett. Maybe he likes Calabrese. Maybe he hates him.
I'm just happy we have a fall guy again that we can blame for everything. I'm not saying Calabrese doesn't suck, but the RZ issues are way deeper than just him.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2023, 08:59:38 AM
I'm just happy we have a fall guy again that we can blame for everything.
We know who yours is.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 09:00:44 AM
I think we all keep trying to think of what Rodgers thinks when none of us really know.
Some Jets fans seem to think he's a genius at calling plays, despite little evidence.
He loves Hackett. Maybe he likes Calabrese. Maybe he hates him.
I'm just happy we have a fall guy again that we can blame for everything. I'm not saying Calabrese doesn't suck, but the RZ issues are way deeper than just him.
whether the issues are deeper or not, they start with Calabrese. And his track record pre-Hackett wasn't good either. This doesn't require any overthinking, but go ahead...do your thing.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
whether the issues are deeper or not, they start with Calabrese. And his track record pre-Hackett wasn't good either. This doesn't require any overthinking, but go ahead...do your thing.The issues are everyone. Coaches aren't that good. We only have one WR who creates separation. The OL has struggled. Zach is a below average QB.
They need to find a way to get it better. With Tippmann back, the OL should be better, and we should be able to run block better, and hopefully that leads to more RZ success.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 09:27:32 AM
The issues are everyone. Coaches aren't that good. We only have one WR who creates separation. The OL has struggled. Zach is a below average QB.
They need to find a way to get it better. With Tippmann back, the OL should be better, and we should be able to run block better, and hopefully that leads to more RZ success.
Our no-huddle offense seems to be in pretty good shape. So i'm not sure the "it's everyone" narrative really applies here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2023, 10:10:36 AM
whether the issues are deeper or not, they start with Calabrese. And his track record pre-Hackett wasn't good either. This doesn't require any overthinking, but go ahead...do your thing.
They start with Hackett. It’s his offense, it’s his choice to listen to Calabrese’s dumbass suggestions, it’s on him that he keeps going back to Calabrese when it doesn't work. Hackett can’t hide behind his subordinates.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 10:18:46 AM
They start with Hackett. It’s his offense, it’s his choice to listen to Calabrese’s dumbass suggestions, it’s on him that he keeps going back to Calabrese when it doesn't work. Hackett can’t hide behind his subordinates.
Hackett didn't hire him. So if you want to pin the shortcomings on someone, it's probably Saleh....since he's the reason Calabrese is still employed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2023, 11:30:11 AM
Hackett didn't hire him. So if you want to pin the shortcomings on someone, it's probably Saleh....since he's the reason Calabrese is still employed.He doesn't have to take his suggestions.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2023, 11:37:25 AM
whether the issues are deeper or not, they start with Calabrese.
He isn't calling the plays.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 11:39:15 AM
He doesn't have to take his suggestions.Lol
If he doesn't take the bulk of calabrese's suggestions, why is he here?
"You're in charge of our RZ offense and strategy...I probably won't listen to you though"
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 11:40:54 AM
He isn't calling the plays.No he isn't
But he clearly has influence and it shows.
Hackett can go too...im not defending him. Just saying Calabrese being in charge of the RZ and seeing how bad our RZ offense is...probably isn't a coincidence
Rodgers literally had to tell these guys to change up the run, run, pass predictable template they've been using.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
When that article from the Athletic i posted earlier showed how each piece of the offense is divided up among the assistant coaches, that was a "huh, interesting" moment for me.
I do agree that Hackett has final say on playcalling, but the assistants play an integral part in the preparation and how things are called during a game in respect to their offensive responsibilities. The article stated that Hackett's headset is basically an open forum with the other coaches, but he's the only one that talks to Zach.
I never liked Calabrese, i still don't why he was retained...he may not be the entire problem with the RZ offense, but he's most likely a big part of it.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 12:15:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2023, 01:13:14 PM
Clearly, whatever we're doing hasn't been working. Try something new.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
it's an interesting dichotomy. We've seen Zach Wilson literally turn into Aaron Rodgers in the final mins of a game (and OT) in a few wins this season. And yet, he can't get it going in his base offense. I get it, there are other factors like injuries to oline at play here. But those injuries don't disappear during the 2 min drill. The parity is quite noticeable.I just don't claim to know enough about how good the coaches actually are. Calabrese seems like he probably isn't good, but Saleh seems to trust him. I don't know if I trust Saleh's choice in offensive assistants, but it's hard to know just how good to know some of these guys are.
When that article from the Athletic i posted earlier showed how each piece of the offense is divided up among the assistant coaches, that was a "huh, interesting" moment for me.
I do agree that Hackett has final say on playcalling, but the assistants play an integral part in the preparation and how things are called during a game in respect to their offensive responsibilities. The article stated that Hackett's headset is basically an open forum with the other coaches, but he's the only one that talks to Zach.
I never liked Calabrese, i still don't why he was retained...he may not be the entire problem with the RZ offense, but he's most likely a big part of it.
Anecdotally, it has always felt like quarterbacks are better in 2-minute/late-game situations. Part of it probably has to do with softer defenses. Part of it is probably Zach not thinking and not getting in his own head. But I think in general, most quarterbacks are better in hurry-up offenses, but the best QBs rise to the top in the red zone.
Whatever the issues are, I hope they get fixed. Some of the personnel can't really get fixed at this point, but maybe some younger guys can help more at skill positions.
I also think the OL when it's healthy is serviceable. AVT's injury pretty much ensures it will be below average, but I think this OL can still be effective running the ball with Tippmann healthy.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 02:20:30 PM
I just don't claim to know enough about how good the coaches actually are. Calabrese seems like he probably isn't good, but Saleh seems to trust him. I don't know if I trust Saleh's choice in offensive assistants, but it's hard to know just how good to know some of these guys are.
Anecdotally, it has always felt like quarterbacks are better in 2-minute/late-game situations. Part of it probably has to do with softer defenses. Part of it is probably Zach not thinking and not getting in his own head. But I think in general, most quarterbacks are better in hurry-up offenses, but the best QBs rise to the top in the red zone.
Whatever the issues are, I hope they get fixed. Some of the personnel can't really get fixed at this point, but maybe some younger guys can help more at skill positions.
I also think the OL when it's healthy is serviceable. AVT's injury pretty much ensures it will be below average, but I think this OL can still be effective running the ball with Tippmann healthy.
None of us know....all of our opinions are based on speculation. That's why i said i'm just going by the eye test, and then coupling that with the article telling me who's in charge of putting together our RZ offensive plans.
The other odd thing is that Hackett is aware of all this. He's told the media that the RZ offense and 3rd down offense stinks. He's been saying it for weeks, and yet we keep seeing the same results. So i dunno what's going on, but there's a disconnect somewhere.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 06, 2023, 07:17:04 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2023, 10:38:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2023, 08:23:54 AM
Just in time for Billy Turner to end his season a 2nd time
Post by: MBGreen on November 07, 2023, 08:27:30 AM
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1721858643136524723?s=42&t=oQHlTr9_OCVIYXOt5gHlYQ
Just in time for Billy Turner to end his season a 2nd time
we need to see how the next few games go. I'm thinking Rodgers will be bubblewrapped until 2024 with the trajectory we're currently on.
Post by: MBGreen on November 13, 2023, 03:41:49 PM
The more things are discussed on the board, the more i wonder if Rodgers' skillset is enough to overcome our offensive deficiencies.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 13, 2023, 03:51:33 PM
I wish we had some hard, factual evidence that Rodgers would be the difference in turning this offence around. We have our hopes that he does, but i wish we had seen more than 4 snaps.There are reasons to worry about Rodgers. He wasn't great last season, and our OL isn't good, and he might not stay healthy. And he's coming off an Achilles faster than anyone has come off an Achilles.
The more things are discussed on the board, the more i wonder if Rodgers' skillset is enough to overcome our offensive deficiencies.
But the Jets have a better skill group than the 2022 Packers. And we've had known crappy quarterbacks play better than Zach on this roster in previous seasons. There's no reason to think Aaron Rodgers can't improve this defense to below average. And below average is a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
Post by: guinness77 on November 13, 2023, 03:56:06 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 13, 2023, 03:56:58 PM
I just don’t understand how a person can tear their Achilles and then play football 3 months later.
Chemtrails
Post by: guinness77 on November 13, 2023, 03:58:47 PM
ChemtrailsThat and the ayahuasca? That makes more sense then any medical reason.
Post by: MBGreen on November 13, 2023, 04:00:42 PM
I just don’t understand how a person can tear their Achilles and then play football 3 months later.
Well..we need to win games or he's not playing this season. So i doubt he's playing in 2023.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 13, 2023, 04:01:25 PM
That and the ayahuasca? That makes more sense then any medical reason.
Pretty much
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2023, 05:49:50 PM
I just don’t understand how a person can tear their Achilles and then play football 3 months later.
He won't.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2023, 08:00:16 PM
I wish we had some hard, factual evidence that Rodgers would be the difference in turning this offence around. We have our hopes that he does, but i wish we had seen more than 4 snaps.
The more things are discussed on the board, the more i wonder if Rodgers' skillset is enough to overcome our offensive deficiencies.
I think he could make do with the receivers, TEs, and Breece. But the OL would kill him repeatedly, as would the ridiculous penalties. This is why I've been arguing elsewhere that he doesn't make this team that much better.
Without a vastly improved OL, this team is going nowhere. I don't care who's under center.
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2023, 08:17:54 PM
I think he could make do with the receivers, TEs, and Breece. But the OL would kill him repeatedly, as would the ridiculous penalties. This is why I've been arguing elsewhere that he doesn't make this team that much better.
Without a vastly improved OL, this team is going nowhere. I don't care who's under center.
I think that Rodgers sees the field better, adjusts the protection better, and if need be audibles into plays that have a higher chance of success. I think he goes through progressions quicker, makes decisions quicker, and fires into windows that Zach wouldn't with a high probability of success.
All of those things help to make the OL better.
Post by: Coach K on November 13, 2023, 08:27:42 PM
I think that Rodgers sees the field better, adjusts the protection better, and if need be audibles into plays that have a higher chance of success. I think he goes through progressions quicker, makes decisions quicker, and fires into windows that Zach wouldn't with a high probability of success.This. And Rodgers would go nuclear on some of these guys on the field for penalties
All of those things help to make the OL better.
The few plays where the pressure is there in less than 2 sec zach can extend and he can't but that's the only real difference
Don't matter hes hurt and this is another 7 or 8 win year lol
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 13, 2023, 09:57:03 PM
I think that Rodgers sees the field better, adjusts the protection better, and if need be audibles into plays that have a higher chance of success. I think he goes through progressions quicker, makes decisions quicker, and fires into windows that Zach wouldn't with a high probability of success.Exactly. Rodgers could make his teammates look better. Zach never has with any level of consistency
All of those things help to make the OL better.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2023, 06:45:51 AM
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Adam Schefter
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Sources around the NFL expect that the New York Jets will make another run at pursuing a trade for Davante Adams again this offseason, trying once and for all to pair him with Aaron Rodgers.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2023, 06:52:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2023, 08:09:29 AM
I can't wait to watch the FO give up a premium pick for Davante Adams only to watch him get injured behind a terrible offensive line again.4 snaps in
Post by: casman02 on November 19, 2023, 09:01:56 AM
I can't wait to watch the FO give up a premium pick for Davante Adams only to watch him get injured behind a terrible offensive line again.
What a dumb attitude to have.
He is a WR so he will get injured in front of a terrible offensive line
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2023, 09:14:55 AM
What a dumb attitude to have.Got me there.
He is a WR so he will get injured in front of a terrible offensive line
Post by: dcm1602 on November 19, 2023, 11:14:16 AM
You have to admit that's quite the fantasy
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2023, 11:25:02 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2023, 06:46:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2023, 06:59:32 PM
It'd be so cool if Woody cleaned house and Rodgers demanded a trade.
If we clean house, he might just retire …or demand a trade to Las Vegas
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2023, 07:00:57 PM
If we clean house, he might just retire …or demand a trade to Las Vegas
Retiring would be fine but I'd be happy to trade him back to the NFC for a day 3 pick just so he can live with the fact that someone thought that was his max value.
I hate him.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2023, 07:05:21 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2023, 07:20:10 PM
We aren't firing anyone with the prospect of Aaron Rodgers coming back. They deserve it but it ain't happening. Too much money in him coming back. Now he can heal fully and not worry about rushing back. Smoke some of whatever that excrement he does.Boygreen will fly a few #FireEveryone signs over Metlife
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2023, 07:23:25 PM
Boygreen will fly a few #FireEveryone signs over Metlife
He will just blow smoke up a few scrubs asses on Twitter and break some dry wall boards.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2023, 07:29:05 PM
He will just blow smoke up a few scrubs asses on Twitter and break some dry wall boards.
He's like a worse Steiny.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2023, 07:33:00 PM
He's like a worse Steiny.
At least Steiny knew his role. When you needed info from backup special teamers or who was signed to the practice squad, he got you what you needed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2023, 07:36:51 PM
At least Steiny knew his role. When you needed info from backup special teamers or who was signed to the practice squad, he got you what you needed.
Steiny actually had a role.
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2023, 07:42:22 PM
He's like a worse Steiny.At least Steiny fucked Emmanuelle Chriqui
Post by: bojanglesman on November 21, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
Post by: reuben on November 21, 2023, 04:22:16 PM
That and find a way to predict injury likelihood in offensive linemen.
"If they were on season-ending injured reserve last year, have a back-up plan for them."
Seems reasonable but if we didn't adopt it after 2022, I doubt we'll adopt it in 2024.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 21, 2023, 04:33:14 PM
"If they were on season-ending injured reserve last year, have a back-up plan for them."
Seems reasonable but if we didn't adopt it after 2022, I doubt we'll adopt it in 2024.
we should just run it back with all the scrubs of the past:
Duane Brown - Laken Tomlinson - Connor McGovern - Greg Van Roten - George Fant
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 21, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
we should just run it back with all the scrubs of the past:
Duane Brown - Laken Tomlinson - Connor McGovern - Greg Van Roten - George Fant
Low minded thinking.
What's Wayne Hunter up to?
Post by: Jumbo on November 21, 2023, 09:20:33 PM
we should just run it back with all the scrubs of the past:
Duane Brown - Laken Tomlinson - Connor McGovern - Greg Van Roten - George Fant
That's PFF AFC First Half All-PFF Team Member Greg Van Roten to you
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2023, 07:59:01 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-agrees-with-tom-bradys-criticism-of-nfl-attributes-changes-to-a-softening-of-society/
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2023, 08:31:59 AM
Rodgers has entered "drunk uncle at Thanksgiving dinner table" mode.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-agrees-with-tom-bradys-criticism-of-nfl-attributes-changes-to-a-softening-of-society/
He was already the drunk uncle.
Brady should STFU since he benefitted a lot from all the rules changes. That said, I agree some of it has gone too far. And at the same time, given all we now understand about CTE, if we care about the long-term viability of the sport, it has to change.
I'm honestly shocked that no one has found a way to vastly improve helmet tech beyond those balloons they wear in practice. That's the holy grail and someone's going to get rich when they figure it out.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2023, 10:54:38 AM
Rodgers has entered "drunk uncle at Thanksgiving dinner table" mode."This league is too soft!"
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-agrees-with-tom-bradys-criticism-of-nfl-attributes-changes-to-a-softening-of-society/
/Gets injured 4 plays into the season
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2023, 11:27:42 AM
To be honest, I had a feeling this was gonna happen after Rodgers made his "feeling guilty" public last week.
As long as it doesn't trigger the escalator where we lose our 1st round pick for his playing time and he doesn't get injured, I'm all for it.
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2023, 11:29:56 AM
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1727732933622960196?t=kHIdQmMGKhYdr3WWUYSG2A&s=19
To be honest, I had a feeling this was gonna happen after Rodgers made his "feeling guilty" public last week.
As long as it doesn't trigger the escalator where we lose our 1st round pick for his playing time and he doesn't get injured, I'm all for it.
The first round pick required him to play 65% of snaps, so he could come back tomorrow and not miss another snap and we wouldn't lose our first.
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2023, 11:39:45 AM
The first round pick required him to play 65% of snaps, so he could come back tomorrow and not miss another snap and we wouldn't lose our first.
then bring it on.
After thinking it about some more, the worst thing that could happen is if he gets hurt again....at least the chance of that happening this season as opposed to next season will provide a clearer direction for 2024 (the draft, FA, coaching, etc etc). I'd prefer not to burn another season waiting to see what kind of ROI we're getting from Rodgers.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2023, 01:38:33 PM
The first round pick required him to play 65% of snaps, so he could come back tomorrow and not miss another snap and we wouldn't lose our first.
Knowing our luck our offense would improve so much that we'd have so many more offensive snaps that it would surpass 65% even though it wasn't half the games.
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2023, 01:41:02 PM
Knowing our luck our offense would improve so much that we'd have so many more offensive snaps that it would surpass 65% even though it wasn't half the games.
a) if our offense improved that much we'd have fewer snaps because we'd be scoring quicker
b) if we're scoring quicker then we can run a backup out for the 4th quarter
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2023, 01:41:57 PM
a) if our offense improved that much we'd have fewer snaps because we'd be scoring quicker
b) if we're scoring quicker then we can run a backup out for the 4th quarter
I wasn't serious. Saleh would put him in on defense to get his snaps over 65%
Post by: insanity on November 23, 2023, 01:42:08 PM
Knowing our luck our offense would improve so much that we'd have so many more offensive snaps that it would surpass 65% even though it wasn't half the games.Hahahha
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2023, 01:48:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2023, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2023, 01:53:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2023, 01:57:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2023, 02:03:29 PM
Well, if he gets hurt again, it makes it clear we are in the QB market for the draft.
correct.
Although, i'm not sure the current regime would be retained if Rodgers got hurt again. It would probably trigger a housecleaning of the FO and CS.
Woody is a lunatic, so i guess everything is on the table in that situation.
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2023, 02:12:41 PM
correct.
Although, i'm not sure the current regime would be retained if Rodgers got hurt again. It would probably trigger a housecleaning of the FO and CS.
Woody is a lunatic, so i guess everything is on the table in that situation.
Actually, this post just convinced me that you're right on starting Rodgers as soon as possible this season. Either he's good and we can get back to where we were supposed to be going three months ago, or he breaks down and retires and we can properly blow up the whole thing, including replacing the entire front office and coaching staff. Those are the two best options for this team.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2023, 02:16:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2023, 02:18:44 PM
Actually, this post just convinced me that you're right on starting Rodgers as soon as possible this season. Either he's good and we can get back to where we were supposed to be going three months ago, or he breaks down and retires and we can properly blow up the whole thing, including replacing the entire front office and coaching staff. Those are the two best options for this team.
aye
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 24, 2023, 08:24:17 AM
I can see letting him play as like a preseason for next year. I wouldn't do it behind this line, but I can see an argument for it. I just don't think he'd be able to protect himself. There's a difference between running and changing directions suddenly.
I guess he would know what to do. He will be limited of course and will try to get rid of the ball quicker, but it'd be a significant change to what we have now regardless, and something to look for in this abomination of a season.
Post by: guinness77 on November 24, 2023, 09:38:43 AM
At least Steiny fucked Emmanuelle ChriquiWait.
Wut?
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2023, 09:42:30 AM
Wait.
Wut?
i guess you forgot his twitter avatar pic with her, that he milked for years.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2023, 09:43:22 AM
i guess you forgot his twitter avatar pic with her, that he milked for years.
Dang, I can probably start getting some info on Tanzel Smart or something.
#Boknowsscrubs
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2023, 09:44:22 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2023, 09:45:17 AM
Our doctors aren't going to clear Rodgers. I think he'll want to play, but they won't clear him and he'll throw a tantrum.Agreed, I can't see how they would, even if he looks fine.
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2023, 09:46:18 AM
Our doctors aren't going to clear Rodgers. I think he'll want to play, but they won't clear him and he'll throw a tantrum.
it'll be like the Fall of Saigon all over again.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 24, 2023, 09:48:07 AM
Our doctors aren't going to clear Rodgers. I think he'll want to play, but they won't clear him and he'll throw a tantrum.
I'm willing to bet they will. Right now the club seems to do whatever Rodgers wants them to do. For good or worse, but if he wants to play week 15, he will.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2023, 09:52:28 AM
Our doctors aren't going to clear Rodgers. I think he'll want to play, but they won't clear him and he'll throw a tantrum.The woke medical industrial complex
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2023, 10:10:59 AM
I'm willing to bet they will. Right now the club seems to do whatever Rodgers wants them to do. For good or worse, but if he wants to play week 15, he will.
I'd like to hope that the doctors are independent of the team's wishes, but who knows.
If they don't clear him, he'll just keep showing up to pregame warmups doing weird workouts and excrement for the cameras to "show" he could play.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 24, 2023, 10:27:53 AM
Which is why you can assure that he will be out on Christmas Eve, if not sooner.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 24, 2023, 10:38:20 AM
The woke medical industrial complex
They poisoned me with 5G
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2023, 11:41:02 AM
Rodgers sees the writing on the wall that we won’t be in it, so he wants this on his “legacy” resume of the only guy to return from an ACL in the same season. In all honesty, it is remarkable for him to pull it off. But him returning for his ego actively hurts us. 1, it puts him at risk, and 2 once it’s mathematically over, any wins we steal with his help hurt our ability to get him the very best pieces in the draft that we can.Conversely, Rodgers putting on a show for the last few weeks of the season could help with FA recruitment.
Which is why you can assure that he will be out on Christmas Eve, if not sooner.
Post by: guinness77 on November 24, 2023, 11:43:53 AM
i guess you forgot his twitter avatar pic with her, that he milked for years.I’ve never seen it. I only know about him because of the board. That…can’t possibly be true…right?
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
I’ve never seen it. I only know about him because of the board. That…can’t possibly be true…right?The freaking isn't true...the pic is
Post by: guinness77 on November 24, 2023, 11:46:57 AM
The freaking isn't true...the pic isWhew…ok, I figured as much.
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2023, 12:06:16 PM
Conversely, Rodgers putting on a show for the last few weeks of the season could help with FA recruitment.
It would definitely help with me selling my tickets for the Commanders game on Xmas Eve, so I'm all for it.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2023, 12:21:01 PM
It would definitely help with me selling my tickets for the Commanders game on Xmas Eve, so I'm all for it.I might be going to that one too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 25, 2023, 01:15:41 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 25, 2023, 01:33:15 PM
https://x.com/spotrac/status/1728448893107519570?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
The reason is because most Jets fans have NEVER seen a winner, and haven’t even seen the playoffs in 13 years. The Packers were in the middle of 40 years of elite QB play and multiple championship caliber rosters, and multiple SB winning teams.
That’s the difference. Jets fans are starved for any kind of success, Packers fans could go through a decade of futility and still not know what it feels like to be us.
Oh and that 3-8 packers roster, didn’t put together the worst complete offensive performance in 50 years. That is what we are watching. We were sold a team that could really compete for it all, and we are watching a product that even with Rodgers might be struggling to be 0.500
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2023, 01:52:17 PM
You have to give Rodgers what he wants within reason to give him every chance to succeed the way he wants to in 2024. I'm not saying we have to give him every single thing he wants, but if he wants to drag Hackett around by the balls so he can call things his own way, then so be it. It'd better than pissing him off by making him play under a new OC he doesn't want. It's annoying, but we are tied to it for next year, like it or not. What are we gonna do? Fire everyone and cut Rodgers? That sounds great to yell when you are drunk and pissed but it isn't reasonable unless you are fine wasting a championship defense for 2 more years.
Our best chance at making the playoffs in 2024 is to retool this offense behind a motivated Rodgers.
Post by: MBGreen on November 25, 2023, 01:53:39 PM
We have a championship defense right now. We have a hall of fame QB under contract who is still good. Why in the hell would we burn that down without giving it another year just because our other shitty QBs suck behind a terrible OL? If he gets hurt again or shows he's over the hill, then burn it down after next year. Not just him but everyone, GM, coach and all.Our best chance is to head to arbys.....for some curly fries
You have to give Rodgers what he wants within reason to give him every chance to succeed the way he wants to in 2024. I'm not saying we have to give him every single thing he wants, but if he wants to drag Hackett around by the balls so he can call things his own way, then so be it. It'd better than pissing him off by making him play under a new OC he doesn't want. It's annoying, but we are tied to it for next year, like it or not. What are we gonna do? Fire everyone and cut Rodgers? That sounds great to yell when you are drunk and pissed but it isn't reasonable unless you are fine wasting a championship defense for 2 more years.
Our best chance at making the playoffs in 2024 is to retool this offense behind a motivated Rodgers.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 25, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2023, 07:45:08 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1728602440788787418?s=20Most of these are 1 yr deals and Lazard will be cut after 24
But if anything this is a sign of JD being a bitch and idiot in regards to letting Rodgers swing his dick around our salary cap lol
Cook wouldn't have been a bad pickup if the OL didn't suck . Cook has arguably played better than Breece as far as a runner last few weeks lol
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2023, 10:37:15 AM
Cobb is a glorified coach taking a roster spot.
Turner was intended to be a backup. Trouble is he isn't a good backup.
Cook is a bad signing because of his salary, not the fact that we signed him. He hasn't played enough to be considered bad.
Boyle has no business here.
I'll take a pass on Hackett until I see how Rodgers does here.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2023, 10:37:58 AM
Quote
Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
Update: There is a chance that #Jets QB Aaron Rodgers could start practicing as "Early as next week", per @RapSheet
As was previously reported, he's targeting Dec. 24 against the #Commanders as a potential return date to come back and play.
bad for the tank. But we really do need to see him play...we need some semblance of what this team invested in (good or bad) before the offseason.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2023, 10:39:28 AM
bad for the tank. But we really do need to see him play...we need some semblance of what this team invested in (good or bad) before the offseason.
Let him play until halftime, then resume the tank with Boylesemen.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 26, 2023, 11:10:01 AM
On the other hand, he could easily get reinjured. Or he could just not be that good. And if he's not that good, that saps optimism for next year.
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 11:13:45 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 11:22:22 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 11:30:05 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2023, 11:33:31 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 11:39:37 AM
It could be a good tune uo game
If he's actually cleared lol
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2023, 11:42:48 AM
The one Dr who will clear Rodgers for contact (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231126/922dcc1fa710d2deb6c7fe0994f0cccb.jpg)
Th8s, just in a second Dr has cleared Rodgers for contact (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231126/ee8a95dcb4ff32f3a654f272226fad22.jpg)I was thinking of Dr. Spaceman
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231126/ee6662a130316ba582972761daea88b9.jpg)
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 11:43:41 AM
I was thinking of Dr. SpacemanHahahahaa I knew I was forgetting someone
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231126/ee6662a130316ba582972761daea88b9.jpg)
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2023, 11:43:57 AM
Also, Aaron needs to get on the field and eat some of his own dog food. A lot of this mess is his influence, so take a few snaps and let's see once and for all if it was worth it from the start if he'd not gone down 10 minutes after running out with the flag.I would unbench Lazard specifically for this.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2023, 11:58:14 AM
If Rodgers was 100%, or the OL was solid fine.
But neither of those will be the case
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2023, 02:51:16 PM
Why the freak would you trot Rodgers out there making an unprecedented recovery in a lost season, behind an absolute excrement OL
If Rodgers was 100%, or the OL was solid fine.
But neither of those will be the case
In theory we will be getting back 3 of the injured next week. It shouldn’t be a shock McGovern could be healthy by 12/24. Then you’d be looking at 4/5 OL you started the season with, only missing AVT, with your top interior OL backup back and healthy in Schweitzer.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 26, 2023, 03:02:59 PM
In theory we will be getting back 3 of the injured next week. It shouldn’t be a shock McGovern could be healthy by 12/24. Then you’d be looking at 4/5 OL you started the season with, only missing AVT, with your top interior OL backup back and healthy in Schweitzer.
It'd be so cool to have the guys who had Rodgers scrambling for each of the only four snaps he had on this team and got him injured back.
I get that some people still want to have optimism but none of these guys were particularly good when they were healthy the first time. Maybe the interior run game will tick up slightly.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
It'd be so cool to have the guys who had Rodgers scrambling for each of the only four snaps he had on this team and got him injured back.
I get that some people still want to have optimism but none of these guys were particularly good when they were healthy the first time. Maybe the interior run game will tick up slightly.
Oh I’m not pretending the OL will magically be good. But it surely should be an improvement over the shitshow we have been watching that gives up 5 pressures per lineman per week.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 26, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
Oh I’m not pretending the OL will magically be good. But it surely should be an improvement over the shitshow we have been watching that gives up 5 pressures per lineman per week.
Anything is better but but being better isn't necessarily being useful in this case.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 26, 2023, 03:49:10 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 26, 2023, 04:36:01 PM
Going from historically bad to simply bad is a big upgrade.
Buried 1 mile below the surface vs. 1.75 miles.
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2023, 05:05:37 PM
Buried 1 mile below the surface vs. 1.75 miles.Election 2024!
Post by: Coach K on November 26, 2023, 05:29:01 PM
Election 2024!Gagahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 28, 2023, 06:54:38 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 28, 2023, 08:03:40 AM
https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1729477456615068052?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
I read the article this morning. It sounds just like one of a dozen posts on this site. Rodgers saves everyone because Woody isn't going to pee him off by getting rid of the guys Rodgers specifically wants around.
Basically, the only scenario where anyone is in danger is if Rodgers comes back, stays healthy, and plays like excrement.
I've flip-flopped over and over this season, but best case right now is, Rodgers comes back for a week or two, shows he's healthy and can still play at his high level, and Joe D spends every available resource improving the offense in the offseason. Defense gets nothing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 28, 2023, 11:33:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 28, 2023, 02:02:13 PM
I don’t think there is a viable plan B unless we somehow ended up with a top 2 pick (not happening)
Spencer Rattler is your Plan B
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2023, 02:06:20 PM
Spencer Rattler is your Plan B
Plan 9 from Outer Space
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 28, 2023, 02:46:54 PM
- Kirk Cousins
- Justin Fields
- Daniel Jones
- Jimmy Garoppolo
- Ryan Tannehill
- Many of the other good backups from last offseason.
- Maybe a disgruntled starter somewhere?
- Overdrafting a rookie
- PLAN Z
Post by: Coach K on November 28, 2023, 02:49:33 PM
Plan 9 from Outer SpaceHahahahahahaa
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 28, 2023, 03:29:34 PM
So when Rodgers completes the cycle and we trade him to the Vikings, we would be looking at...
- Kirk Cousins
- Justin Fields
- Daniel Jones
- Jimmy Garoppolo
- Ryan Tannehill
- Many of the other good backups from last offseason.
- Maybe a disgruntled starter somewhere?
- Overdrafting a rookie
- PLAN Z
bring sam home
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 28, 2023, 04:35:27 PM
bring sam home#finishthejob
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2023, 11:39:34 AM
News: The Jets are opening the 21-day practice window for Aaron Rodgers, Saleh announces. #Jets
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2023, 11:40:49 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 29, 2023, 12:00:53 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 12:18:02 PM
I’d love to be starting anyone other than Tim Boyle this week
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Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 12:33:25 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2023, 12:39:21 PM
In all seriousness, if our playoff chances are going to be a factor in him coming back, is he going to be deactivated if we are eliminated before the 21 day window closes?
I don't see why, he isn't consuming a roster spot during that time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 12:42:03 PM
I don't see why, he isn't consuming a roster spot during that time.I mean he could just ask not to be activated on day 21 but if he's not going to play why would the team want to risk him at all?
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2023, 12:46:16 PM
I mean he could just ask not to be activated on day 21 but if he's not going to play why would the team want to risk him at all?
Because he wants to get in as much practice as he can with the team? If we're completely out of the running then it's not like we have any use for whatever scrub is 53rd on the roster anyway, so bump them to PS, put Aaron back on the roster and let him at least have a few weeks of practice.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 12:51:39 PM
Because he wants to get in as much practice as he can with the team? If we're completely out of the running then it's not like we have any use for whatever scrub is 53rd on the roster anyway, so bump them to PS, put Aaron back on the roster and let him at least have a few weeks of practice.Why?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2023, 12:52:14 PM
Because he wants to get in as much practice as he can with the team? If we're completely out of the running then it's not like we have any use for whatever scrub is 53rd on the roster anyway, so bump them to PS, put Aaron back on the roster and let him at least have a few weeks of practice.
Tanzel Smart will be minting your yard.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2023, 01:01:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2023, 01:09:54 PM
Why?
Why would he want to, or why would we?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 01:17:08 PM
Why would he want to, or why would we?
If he isn't actually going to play this season because we are eliminated, why would we risk him getting hurt again in practice just to give him a few reps with the 3rd stringers? If he decides it's not worth him coming back for a team that's headed for a top 5 pick then he definitely won't be taking starter reps, so what use is it for him?
Honestly, at this point it's still too early to care. If I see videos of him rolling left or right out of the pocket while under pressure in practice, then I'll start thinking it might be worth it. Until that point, I really don't care.
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2023, 01:18:59 PM
If he isn't actually going to play this season because we are eliminated, why would we risk him getting hurt again in practice just to give him a few reps with the 3rd stringers? If he decides it's not worth him coming back for a team that's headed for a top 5 pick then he definitely won't be taking starter reps, so what use is it for him?
Honestly, at this point it's still too early to care. If I see videos of him rolling left or right out of the pocket while under pressure in practice, then I'll start thinking it might be worth it. Until that point, I really don't care.
Maybe because both he and we want to see if his ankle is actually going to hold up before we actually commit all of next season to it?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2023, 01:23:34 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 01:23:35 PM
Maybe because both he and we want to see if his ankle is actually going to hold up before we actually commit all of next season to it?
You'd figure that would be the purpose of whatever he's doing in the practice window. If he decides he's not going to play then he should not be on the roster, and if he decides he's not going to play before the 21 days are up it's not worth risking him any further by keeping him active.
As for committing to next season, if we go into it thinking that this time it'll be different and not have any better preparations than we did this season we're toast.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2023, 01:24:55 PM
You'd figure that would be the purpose of whatever he's doing in the practice window. If he decides he's not going to play then he should not be on the roster, and if he decides he's not going to play before the 21 days are up it's not worth risking him any further by keeping him active.
As for committing to next season, if we go into it thinking that this time it'll be different and not have any better preparations than we did this season we're toast.
Next year Boyle will have had a whole season under his belt here and will be ready to be our backup. I'm pretty sure.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 01:26:02 PM
Next year Boyle will have had a whole season under his belt here and will be ready to be our backup. I'm pretty sure.
If Tim Boyle is our primary backup next season then I'm ignoring this team until 2027.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
If Tim Boyle is our primary backup next season then I'm ignoring this team until 2027.
Never say never.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 29, 2023, 03:47:53 PM
Alright I’m back in
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 29, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
Maybe its motivation for the team. Kind of like having a big titty hot chick walk by your house and tell you that you could have a piece if you get off your derriere and exercise for 30 minutes.
If we get Rodgers back and hire Sydney Sweeney as interim OL coach we’re winning out
Post by: MBGreen on November 29, 2023, 04:09:50 PM
If we get Rodgers back and hire Sydney Sweeney as interim OL coach we’re winning out
(https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/yes-icegif-2.gif)
Post by: Coach K on November 29, 2023, 04:48:03 PM
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1729978374456762705/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1729978374456762705¤tTweetUser=NFLTweet is nit available anymore what did it say
Alright I’m back in
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 29, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
Tweet is nit available anymore what did it say
https://x.com/nfl/status/1729978374456762705?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2023, 04:49:53 PM
Tweet is nit available anymore what did it say
It’s a slow-mo vid Rodgers doing throwing drills. Copy the link into your browser and delete “mediaViewer?” And everything after that, it should work.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 29, 2023, 05:41:58 PM
Whatever, if this doesn’t fire the team up to get its excrement together, nothing is going to before he trots out on the field.
I also believe the actual determining factor on if he plays will be the health of the OL. If everyone is back but AVT he will play. If we are playing Newman and Mitchell, he won’t because he doesn’t want to die. The record I don’t think is really that important to him in comparison to the history he feels like he can make by returning.
Can he win Comeback Player of the Year this year?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
How is he moving like that? Holy excrement, he might just do it!
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2023, 06:36:46 PM
If the target return game is 12/24… shouldn’t the 21 day practice window have started on Monday…?
Maybe they'd want him fully reinstated for the full week of practice before the 12/24 game.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 29, 2023, 07:52:50 PM
Maybe they'd want him fully reinstated for the full week of practice before the 12/24 game.
Sure, but if he’s a few days slower getting up to speed… that’s just burning a roster spot.
Then again if he just says freak it, I’m coming back against the Texans… who cares.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2023, 08:32:21 PM
Sure, but if he’s a few days slower getting up to speed… that’s just burning a roster spot.
We'll just cut Dennis Kelly or Tanzel Smart for the nth time.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2023, 11:26:03 PM
I won't be shocked if he comes back next week. Might not be the best idea, but damn I'd be excited.
Post by: Jumbo on November 30, 2023, 01:34:27 AM
Can't they activate him at any time once the counter starts? I think it's "Must be activated within 21 days."
I won't be shocked if he comes back next week. Might not be the best idea, but damn I'd be excited.
They can activate him for this week in theory I think. But it's either activate within 21 days or he goes to long term IR.
Post by: Johnny English on November 30, 2023, 05:50:20 PM
He's not wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2023, 05:53:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1730334859405541512
He's not wrong.
What's the worst that could happen.....when you ask what's the worst that could happen with the Jets?
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2023, 05:55:26 PM
What's the worst that could happen.....when you ask what's the worst that could happen with the Jets?Don't worry so much....have some beef n cheddars
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2023, 06:41:20 PM
Don't worry so much....have some beef n cheddars
Someone will toss a beef n cheddar on the field, Rodgers will slip on it and tear his poopchute.
Post by: Coach K on November 30, 2023, 08:03:00 PM
And every night if you're catholic or Hispanic. Lol
Last time I use attachment instead of gallery lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 30, 2023, 08:08:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1730334859405541512
He's not wrong.
Weird thinking, but I guess it's a good point. I thought Achilles were longer injuries though (like Tommy John).
My favorite reply:
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craig
@lambeau2011
Damn this guy is in love with dark room dolphin sex noise!
6:09 PM · Nov 30, 2023
Reserving this for my new punk-goth metal band.
Post by: Johnny English on November 30, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
Weird thinking, but I guess it's a good point. I thought Achilles were longer injuries though (like Tommy John).
Everyone keeps saying this because historically they are, but they're ignoring the fact that he's literally had cutting edge surgery using a technique very few have ever had done by one of the world's leading surgeons in the field. All I see is fans of other teams saying "HAAAAA LOOK AT THAT freaking IDIOT HE'S GOING TO DIE HE'S JUST DOING IT BECAUSE HE HATES NOT BEING IN THE LIMELIGHT HAHAHA RODGERS DICK", but what they should be saying is "I really hope this works because if it does then it means the next time one of my team's stars has the same injury, it might not be the career death knell it has been historically".
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 30, 2023, 09:22:18 PM
Post by: reuben on November 30, 2023, 09:48:16 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2023, 09:52:24 PM
But if he comes back and provides hope, that would go so far for the offseason vibes.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2023, 08:55:22 AM
Someone will toss a beef n cheddar on the field, Rodgers will slip on it and tear his poopchute.
a worthy death
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2023, 10:01:27 AM
Worst thing that can happen is he looks like excrement and we aren't sure if he still has it.
This is absolutely not the worst thing that could happen
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2023, 10:28:48 AM
Everyone keeps saying this because historically they are, but they're ignoring the fact that he's literally had cutting edge surgery using a technique very few have ever had done by one of the world's leading surgeons in the field. All I see is fans of other teams saying "HAAAAA LOOK AT THAT freaking IDIOT HE'S GOING TO DIE HE'S JUST DOING IT BECAUSE HE HATES NOT BEING IN THE LIMELIGHT HAHAHA RODGERS DICK", but what they should be saying is "I really hope this works because if it does then it means the next time one of my team's stars has the same injury, it might not be the career death knell it has been historically".
I keep saying the first part. If he actually returns, this to me is as big as Tommy John getting the initial Tommy John surgery. It changes careers. There are guys who blow their Achilles in training camp who could now start envisioning themselves rejoining their team at the bye week.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2023, 02:49:51 PM
This is absolutely not the worst thing that could happenIf he re-tears his Achilles, we can just move on without him. Maybe that's worse, but I'm not sure.
Post by: reuben on December 01, 2023, 03:16:39 PM
If he re-tears his Achilles, we can just move on without him.
Can we? He can retire if he wants, but I don't think we get to make that call.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2023, 12:45:52 PM
https://www.tmz.com/2023/12/11/aaron-rodgers-expected-medically-cleared-achilles-rupture-christmas-eve-game-vs-washington-commanders/
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2023, 12:48:28 PM
Post by: steves850 on December 11, 2023, 03:31:39 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2023, 03:53:41 PM
Being cleared for contact with 3 games left in the season while coming off experimental surgery after being injured 4 plays into his tenure with the team is a pretty wild scenario with a shitload of questions surrounding it. I know the majority of fans will want Rodgers out there.
When in the week does the Dr. give that all clear notice?
How are they preparing for that game if it’s later in the week?
Is the coaching staff going to be willing to throw him in immediately if we’re still in the hunt?
If Zach Wilson and the offense are still moving the ball effectively do we bench him immediately in favor of Rodgers?
If the OLine is still struggling to keep defenders out of the backfield do we throw Rodgers in there or do we hold him out and let Wilson deal with it?
What’s the overall value to the team of starting Rodgers if we’re eliminated?
Does the FO/CS have the balls to even tell Rodgers no in any given situation?
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2023, 04:06:13 PM
I think it comes down to: does Rodgers want to play at least a game or two regardless of playoff status? If so, and the Jets are eliminated, you give him a short leash and tell Zach to be ready to play at least half the game. If the Jets are still in, it means Zach is playing well, and it makes the call harder, but in the end, Rodgers still gives you the best chance to win, so you play him.
I don't think it matters when the doctor clears him. If it's 10 minutes before game time, he's under center. He doesn't need a lot of reps to know the offense anyway, but I'm sure he'd have already been practicing with the ones if there's any chance he's playing.
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2023, 06:17:54 PM
If Zach Wilson and the offense are still moving the ball effectively do we bench him immediately in favor of Rodgers?
As great as stringing together two good games would be for Zach, I don't think it's enough to say "let him cook".
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2023, 06:40:09 PM
I doubt it's enough to keep him in there for the remainder but it could be enough to let Zach play one more game against one of the worse teams in the league and get Rodgers another week before tossing him back out there.
As great as stringing together two good games would be for Zach, I don't think it's enough to say "let him cook".
If he's ready he's going to go but so far no one has been ready this quickly after an injury so I could understand if there was some hesitation from the coaching staff.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2023, 06:52:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2023, 07:03:28 PM
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2023, 07:04:12 PM
Talk about a winnable game served up on a platter, it's the Commanders.They have one less win than us.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2023, 07:13:45 PM
They have one less win than us.
Winnable, not guaranteed win. They've lost 4 in a row and the last 2 in blowout fashion.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2023, 07:30:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2023, 03:14:39 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2023, 03:57:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 15, 2023, 11:53:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 19, 2023, 12:30:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1737177260694622641?s=10&t=JNIE16dq__PDFutgyQ7iHg
Guy knows what to say to motivate people.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 19, 2023, 12:58:55 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2023, 01:04:39 PM
@RichCimini
Rodgers says he's a good recruiter and will be involved in potential player moves in the offseason, if the front office wants him to be. #Jets
Brace for more of Rodgers' washed up buddies next year
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2023, 01:20:48 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Rodgers says he's a good recruiter and will be involved in potential player moves in the offseason, if the front office wants him to be. #Jets
Brace for more of Rodgers' washed up buddies next year
We may have a shot at Jordy Nelson.
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2023, 01:23:38 PM
We may have a shot at Jordy Nelson.
Him and Jermichael Finley will be unstoppable.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2023, 01:26:35 PM
Him and Jermichael Finley will be unstoppable.
Yeah if they can get them for the right price.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2023, 01:38:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2023, 01:42:35 PM
What's Eddie Lacy weighing these days?
Let's take a live look.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jkn0X3t.png)
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2023, 01:54:20 PM
Let's take a live look.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jkn0X3t.png)
our new RG
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 19, 2023, 02:42:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2023, 03:04:30 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 19, 2023, 03:53:26 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1737176111937691956
If we were 7-7 his derriere would be pushing to come back
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2023, 09:06:34 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39188039/jets-aaron-rodgers-rips-critics-not-my-idea-activated
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2023, 09:48:29 PM
But turns out his wife is hotter than *checks notes* almost everyone’s, so now it’s a concern. If we cut Jaylyn Holmes, not a damn person would give a freak.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2024, 09:39:31 AM
#sadhnnng
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2024, 11:16:24 AM
What’s the direct quote from Rodgers?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2024, 11:26:13 AM
I don’t think Kimmel would have a case in court.
What’s the direct quote from Rodgers?
I agree, I'm just being a dick. He said Kimmel would be hoping it wouldn't come out. Kimmel didn't even say he was suing him. He just said he would if he kept it up.
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2024, 11:55:40 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2024, 01:00:10 PM
-Dredging up that whole myth about consuming soy negatively affects testosterone production?
-Diet soda makes you gay?
-Spielberg faked Columbine?
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2024, 03:53:01 PM
-Diet soda makes you gay?
This is proven.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2024, 03:55:43 PM
Dredging up that whole myth about consuming soy negatively affects testosterone production?
Soy is why CJ Mosley didn't make the Pro Bowl
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2024, 09:49:15 AM
@RichCimini
Aaron Rodgers played only four snaps, but he came away with a team award -- most inspirational player (aka the Dennis Byrd Award). Voted by the players. #Jets
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 05, 2024, 10:11:44 AM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Aaron Rodgers played only four snaps, but he came away with a team award -- most inspirational player (aka the Dennis Byrd Award). Voted by the players. #Jets
Oh this is good. I'm sure the ego boost will help him a lot.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 05, 2024, 11:47:46 AM
Team that had the same starter for 17 games (all fighting for a playoff spot except WAS)
BUF Josh Allen
GB Jordan Love
TB Baker Mayfield
DET Jared Goff
NO Derek Carr
PHI Jalen Hurts
DAL Dak Prescott
MIA Tua Tagovailoa
WAS Sam Howell (and he was about to be sat but Brissett got injured)
Started in Each of the First 16 Games, Out for Week 18
SF Brock Purdy
BAL Lamar Jackson
KC Patrick Mahomes
In the end, only the Browns and Colts (with a rookie QB who arguably wasn't better than Minshew today) managed to survive a long term injury to their starter.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2024, 12:26:06 PM
Do you remember the narrative that said that teams have learned to win with their backups?
Here's the thing with Minnesota though - they remained competitive.
The Vikings are 3-5 with backups, but 4 of those 5 losses were decided by one score or less.
The Jets are 5-10 with backups and we've been blown out in 6 of the 10 losses.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 05, 2024, 05:09:45 PM
As Heis mentioned, the Jets were uncompetitive in multiple games, even when the defense dominated. With two stars at skill positions.
Not a single person here expected the playoffs after 4 offensive plays this year. But this team embarrassed itself week after week.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2024, 10:24:52 PM
Here's the thing with Minnesota though - they remained competitive.
The Vikings are 3-5 with backups, but 4 of those 5 losses were decided by one score or less.
The Jets are 5-10 with backups and we've been blown out in 6 of the 10 losses.
They got some decent production out of Dobbs and Mullen’s at times. They also have one of the highest rated pass blocking OLs.
3-5 and 5-10 are basically the same
Flores did such a good job turning that defense around in 1 season. They were awful for years and got gashed by the goddamn giants in the playoffs last year
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2024, 10:28:24 PM
Also, the Browns had multiple OL injuries and pulled an old QB off the couch and made the playoffs.
As Heis mentioned, the Jets were uncompetitive in multiple games, even when the defense dominated. With two stars at skill positions.
Not a single person here expected the playoffs after 4 offensive plays this year. But this team embarrassed itself week after week.
The browns have a top 3 defense (arguably 1), a top OL (due to outstanding depth), and Flacco is playing out of his mind
They’re a really good team and it’s pretty crazy Watson hasn’t been able to do more there
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 05, 2024, 11:16:44 PM
Also, the Browns had multiple OL injuries and pulled an old QB off the couch and made the playoffs.The Browns are the best comparison for people who want Saleh and Douglas gone. They had QB injuries. They had OL injuries. And they still are so good they can rest starters in Week 18. Both teams are built around their defenses, but the Browns found a way to be successful.
As Heis mentioned, the Jets were uncompetitive in multiple games, even when the defense dominated. With two stars at skill positions.
Not a single person here expected the playoffs after 4 offensive plays this year. But this team embarrassed itself week after week.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 05, 2024, 11:17:02 PM
The browns have a top 3 defense (arguably 1), a top OL (due to outstanding depth), and Flacco is playing out of his mind
They’re a really good team and it’s pretty crazy Watson hasn’t been able to do more there
We have a good defense too. The difference is obviously far better performance on the offensive side of the ball, including much better depth. Proves it's doable. Just not by us.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 05, 2024, 11:21:20 PM
The Browns are the best comparison for people who want Saleh and Douglas gone. They had QB injuries. They had OL injuries. And they still are so good they can rest starters in Week 18. Both teams are built around their defenses, but the Browns found a way to be successful.
Exactly.
And doing it with a near-40 QB. Flacco alone is a huge indictment of this team.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 07, 2024, 04:28:06 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2024, 07:06:55 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 07, 2024, 07:25:31 AM
And Minshew is out as well… I get that we were a disaster in many ways, but overcoming the injury of your QB1 in the first drive of the season is freaking hard. The Browns were the exception, not the norms. I wish we were them, and it’s annoying that we’re not, but let’s stop acting that that’s normal, it’s not, what was normal is what happened to us.
You can't blame your season falling apart 4 plays in the season on a freak accident, when the OL protecting the 40 year old QB you just traded a bunch of picks and ton of cap for is one of the worst freaking OLs in the league.
If we had a great OL you're 100% correct. But this OL is an abomination, and let's not forget we even started Browns fat slobby derriere at LT and it got Rodgers murdered
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 07, 2024, 10:43:57 AM
And Minshew is out as well… I get that we were a disaster in many ways, but overcoming the injury of your QB1 in the first drive of the season is freaking hard. The Browns were the exception, not the norms. I wish we were them, and it’s annoying that we’re not, but let’s stop acting that that’s normal, it’s not, what was normal is what happened to us.
There's a completely reasonable argument that when Rodgers went down, the hopes of any deep playoff run did too.
But this team has been uncompetitive in many of its games, despite having an elite defense. This team couldn't score league-average points despite having at least 2 stars on offense. It has literally been historically bad in multiple facets of the offense. You can't pin that entirely on losing the starting QB.
Bad roster management and worse coaching is why this team is this bad. Yes, the Browns are exceptional, but that doesn't make what this team is acceptable.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2024, 09:57:31 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/192czfc/jimmy_kimmels_monologue_response_tonight_to_aaron
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2024, 09:58:36 AM
Kimmel went in hard on Rodgers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/192czfc/jimmy_kimmels_monologue_response_tonight_to_aaron
Kimmel is definitely a pedo
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2024, 10:19:31 AM
Kimmel is definitely a pedo
Counterpoint: Aaron Rodgers is a piece of excrement
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2024, 11:30:26 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2024, 01:52:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2024, 01:59:01 PM
Rodgers banned from going on the Pat McAfee show the rest of the season
This is incorrect.
Rodgers always takes a break after the season.
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2024, 02:03:40 PM
This is incorrect.
Rodgers always takes a break after the season.
I don't know man, sounds like he was booted.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/sports/aaron-rodgers-cut-from-the-pat-mcafee-show-for-rest-of-season/ (https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/sports/aaron-rodgers-cut-from-the-pat-mcafee-show-for-rest-of-season/)
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The ESPN host announced at the start of “The Pat McAfee Show” on Wednesday that the Jets quarterback has made his final appearance of the season.
“There will be a lot of people who are happy with that, myself included to be honest with you,” McAfee said. “The way it ended, it got really loud. I am happy that he’s not going to be in my mentions going forward, which is great news.”
Rodgers was originally scheduled to appear throughout the playoffs, The Post’s Andrew Marchand reported.
Also...
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Rodgers, who gets paid seven figures a season to appear with McAfee, ignited the firestorm last week after he referenced Kimmel’s name when discussing court documents containing a list of individuals with ties to the convicted pedophile.
This freaking poopchute gets a million dollars a year to go on McAfee?! Oh, I hate him. I hate him so hard.
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2024, 02:11:26 PM
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2024, 02:14:21 PM
You know his first phone call was either to or from Joe Rogan. The noise isn't going to stop, it's just going to come from a different direction.
He gets to rail all off-season about being cancelled now.
I'm telling you, 2023 was not the depressing year. This year is going to suck baaaaaaaaaaaalls.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2024, 02:24:05 PM
He gets to rail all off-season about being cancelled now.
I'm telling you, 2023 was not the depressing year. This year is going to suck baaaaaaaaaaaalls.
I can’t wait until he starts with some truly heinous excrement only to watch the inevitable “as long as he wins…” arguments start rolling in.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2024, 02:46:38 PM
I don't think I've ever seen so much from a guy who has played so little for this team.
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2024, 03:10:11 PM
I can’t wait until he starts with some truly heinous excrement only to watch the inevitable “as long as he wins…” arguments start rolling in.
I don't give a excrement what he thinks about the world as long as he throw ball good. I do care what he says.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2024, 03:18:04 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 11, 2024, 05:09:24 AM
I don't give a excrement what he thinks about the world as long as he throw ball good. I do care what he says.
Exactly, who gives a freak about his opinions? Why the whole thing has been so important to you? Have they affected us in any way whatsoever?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2024, 08:36:23 AM
Post by: reuben on January 11, 2024, 02:59:16 PM
yawn
Post by: reuben on January 12, 2024, 05:48:38 PM
Best line at 1:45 (https://youtu.be/4IM3TSiSzlE?si=63ARwxxw-uC2faGL&t=105)
It's remarkable to me that Aaron had HBO and the NFL - two of the most successful entities in the entertainment world - bend over backwards to present him as a likeable, magnanimous, down-to-earth folk hero - to great success - and this putz still couldn't make it through a whole season without showing everyone what a schmuck he is. He snuck it in just under the wire.
Post by: Coach K on January 12, 2024, 07:28:25 PM
Except MB and JE
You guys are excused from this exercise
*plays Hulk Hogan entrance theme *
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 13, 2024, 08:48:16 PM
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2024, 10:10:39 PM
I'm Mexican, what should I do?Bring birria tacos and limonada to a tailgate
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2024, 05:19:51 PM
So freak this dude. Hard.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2024, 10:04:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2024, 08:30:09 AM
At least Sam Darnold was the nice one
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2024, 08:30:38 AM
Whole lot of crying in this thread
At least Sam Darnold was the nice one
Krang Darnold
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2024, 09:08:57 AM
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Source: #Chiefs are releasing wide receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling.
Saves Kansas City $12 million on the cap.
GM Aaron Rodgers first phone call probably
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2024, 06:38:10 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-seems-to-have-a-new-retirement-timeline-jets-qb-reveals-how-long-he-hopes-to-play-in-the-nfl/
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2024, 07:29:07 AM
Not really news at all, but still.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-seems-to-have-a-new-retirement-timeline-jets-qb-reveals-how-long-he-hopes-to-play-in-the-nfl/
baby steps...let's see if he can finish an offensive drive first.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 08, 2024, 10:44:28 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 08, 2024, 11:24:16 AM
https://twitter.com/LordLambeau/status/1765724081020690788?s=20
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2024, 06:47:25 PM
So if Trump wins, we lose Woody. And if RFK wins, we lose Rodgers.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 12, 2024, 06:55:22 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-speaking-pretty-continuously-with-robert-f-kennedy-jr-about-potential-vp-run-per-report-220250899.htmlBruh
So if Trump wins, we lose Woody. And if RFK wins, we lose Rodgers.
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2024, 07:55:52 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Woody_Johnson_at_NY_Jets_game_%28cropped%29.jpg/177px-Woody_Johnson_at_NY_Jets_game_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 12, 2024, 08:45:44 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2024, 05:37:32 PM
Move the fuckin franchise to London
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2024, 05:50:40 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2024, 06:16:47 PM
Post by: guinness77 on March 13, 2024, 06:40:38 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2024, 09:18:48 PM
The fact that it’s believable he’d say/think a thing like this is sad but the timing of this is suspect, the source it’s coming from is suspect and…where’s the proof?
Rodgers is a nut job, but why the freak are we hearing about a conversation he had with some nutjob reporter 12-13 years ago
It's shitty journalism at the least
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2024, 09:24:48 PM
Rodgers is a nut job, but why the freak are we hearing about a conversation he had with some nutjob reporter 12-13 years ago
It's shitty journalism at the least
Because he hasn’t done a thing to remove himself from the RFK VP talk
It’s not shitty journalism
It’s a political smear
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2024, 09:36:30 PM
Because he hasn’t done a thing to remove himself from the RFK VP talk
It’s not shitty journalism
It’s a political smear
Is there anyone who actually thinks Rodgers is going to run for office?
I assume Rodgers likes RFK and doesn't mind his name being used for free advertising, which essentially is what Rodgers is at this point
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2024, 09:46:16 PM
Is there anyone who actually thinks Rodgers is going to run for office?
I assume Rodgers likes RFK and doesn't mind his name being used for free advertising, which essentially is what Rodgers is at this point
He likes the attention and unfortunately for us, that means mostly bad attention because he’s a piece of excrement
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2024, 09:54:44 PM
Is there anyone who actually thinks Rodgers is going to run for office?
I assume Rodgers likes RFK and doesn't mind his name being used for free advertising, which essentially is what Rodgers is at this point
Of course not. But until Rodgers stands up and says “I will not be running with RFK as his vice president” the speculation will happen.
As H said, Rodgers loves hearing his name in the news and he’s almost certainly going to let this hang out there for a while for his own personal enjoyment.
But I don’t know how anyone could think a current football player with no background of operating in political circles at any level should be qualified to walk directly into the second highest office in the entire country. But what can I say… our country has done some very wild things in our last few elections
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2024, 10:33:40 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2024, 10:40:12 PM
Of course not. But until Rodgers stands up and says “I will not be running with RFK as his vice president” the speculation will happen.
As H said, Rodgers loves hearing his name in the news and he’s almost certainly going to let this hang out there for a while for his own personal enjoyment.
But I don’t know how anyone could think a current football player with no background of operating in political circles at any level should be qualified to walk directly into the second highest office in the entire country. But what can I say… our country has done some very wild things in our last few elections
Because RFK Jr is not a serious candidate and needs as much attention as possible.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 13, 2024, 10:54:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2024, 07:10:31 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2024, 07:24:21 AM
Because he hasn’t done a thing to remove himself from the RFK VP talk
It’s not shitty journalism
It’s a political smear
Apparently he's in Costa Rica....probably with his phone turned off.
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2024, 07:25:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Mann_O_Steel17/status/1768100956057600251/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1768100956057600251¤tTweetUser=Mann_O_Steel17
tweet deleted
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2024, 07:30:29 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2024, 07:31:29 AM
https://x.com/mann_o_steel17/status/1768100956057600251?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
*thumbs up*
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 07:48:18 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2024, 07:50:59 AM
Apparently he's in Costa Rica....probably with his phone turned off.
excrement, I'm going to Costa Rica next week. I'll send updates.
Post by: guinness77 on March 14, 2024, 08:04:33 AM
https://x.com/mann_o_steel17/status/1768100956057600251?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgThis is what I was saying yesterday. The CNN thing was such a joke, but the fact that the right people just blindly believe it is the way things work now. All these news channels and outlets have become mouthpieces for whoever their major sponsors are and who the majority of their audience is. I mean, Heisenberg said it, it was meant to be a hit piece against Kennedy more than anything. It’s just so unbelievably stupid (but we have a stupid “republic” now, and I’m talking both sides here) that people just blindly believe whatever they read or hear now. And, like I said, pretty sad that it was kinda believable Rodgers could have said it because of some of the other things he has said or done.
Post by: guinness77 on March 14, 2024, 08:06:27 AM
This place has become the media circus that the press used to call it under Rex.It’s really just one guy. You want to throw in a random Saleh thing or a random Sauce thing, then fine, but it’s really just one guy stirring this drink.
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2024, 09:25:30 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2024, 10:09:22 AM
This is what I was saying yesterday. The CNN thing was such a joke, but the fact that the right people just blindly believe it is the way things work now. All these news channels and outlets have become mouthpieces for whoever their major sponsors are and who the majority of their audience is. I mean, Heisenberg said it, it was meant to be a hit piece against Kennedy more than anything. It’s just so unbelievably stupid (but we have a stupid “republic” now, and I’m talking both sides here) that people just blindly believe whatever they read or hear now. And, like I said, pretty sad that it was kinda believable Rodgers could have said it because of some of the other things he has said or done.It will only get worse pretty soon with AI.
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2024, 10:30:52 AM
https://x.com/RSAdiamondtales/status/1767962520919167040?s=20
Oh my god what a great comparison
I'm buying all my linemen sourdough starter this Christmas.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2024, 10:41:09 AM
Oh my god what a great comparison
I'm buying all my linemen sourdough starter this Christmas.
Aaron Rodgers: elected president (of shitting his own bag)
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 10:42:16 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2024, 11:52:47 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 12:01:21 PM
Post by: guinness77 on March 14, 2024, 12:07:09 PM
The funniest two things about this are people who hate Rodgers or Kennedy are still gonna believe this and that Kennedy is sadly gonna get votes because of their “story,” assuming he makes it onto a ballot.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2024, 02:26:28 PM
https://x.com/aaronrodgers12/status/1768318406560760224?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
While I’m glad he said this… couldn’t he also have said “I’m the Jets QB, and I’m not running for VP?
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 02:30:09 PM
While I’m glad he said this… couldn’t he also have said “I’m the Jets QB, and I’m not running for VP?
That would hurt his nomination chances.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2024, 03:24:19 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 14, 2024, 03:25:18 PM
That would hurt his nomination chances.
It's all about publicity for his friend. It's just too obvious now. That's why he's letting this linger.
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2024, 03:31:39 PM
If this whack job thinks government operatives did the killing, everything he just said in that tweet could be what he honestly believes and still a conspiracy theory. He didn't say who he believes did it, he just admits it happened. No different than "I'm immunized".Lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 04:57:31 PM
If this whack job thinks government operatives did the killing, everything he just said in that tweet could be what he honestly believes and still a conspiracy theory. He didn't say who he believes did it, he just admits it happened. No different than "I'm immunized".
"We need to identify the signs that will allow us to prevent obvious government sleeper agents from staging horrible tragedies."
-Aaron Rodgers in private, possibly.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2024, 10:49:07 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2024, 11:29:25 AM
Backpedaling Aaron Rodgers Meets With Sandy Hook Parents To Brag About How Fast Achilles Healed
Post by: MBGreen on April 15, 2024, 07:39:50 AM
@RichCimini
Aaron Rodgers, seven months removed from Achilles surgery, shows up on the first day of voluntary workouts. #Jets 🎥@nyjets
lets ride
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2024, 08:44:40 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 16, 2024, 01:10:52 PM
lmao