Post by: Badger on October 07, 2013, 10:39:34 AM
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If you're not following @PFF_Gonzalo, check him out. Lots of Jets statistical/breakdown info.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2013, 11:02:57 AM
This is where you post miscellanea that doesn't belong in an existing thread and doesn't deserve its own thread.
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If you're not following @PFF_Gonzalo, check him out. Lots of Jets statistical/breakdown info.
Is that Martin'?
Has anyone emailed him about the new site?
Edit: to be clear I know it's not Martin'. I was joking.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
Post by: Tommy on October 07, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
Someone should get a message out to JFaulk too.
I can't find him on Twitter anymore.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2013, 11:28:13 AM
Edit: You know who I mean.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2013, 11:28:37 AM
Someone should get a message out to JFaulk too.
I can't find him on Twitter anymore.
That's surprising.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
Yeah we're missing people, Lori Humongous and a few others.
Edit: You know who I mean.
Hopefully Lori Humongous stays missing
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2013, 11:32:17 AM
Yeah we're missing people, Lori Humongous and a few others.
Edit: You know who I mean.
Hopefully Lori Humongous stays missing
I was joking and agree, has Scruggy been contacted?
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2013, 03:42:46 PM
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Matt Ryan has attempted 10 deep passes on 173 attempts (5.8%). At this point last season, he had thrown 12 on 147 attempts (8.2%).
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45% of Matt Ryan's passing yardage comes before the catch. One of the lowest numbers in the league - missed tackles alert. #Falcons
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The #Jets defense missed 21 total tackles with Dawan Landry and Demario Davis leading with 3 each.
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Damon Harrison, David Harris and Sheldon Richardson are the only players with 100+ snaps to not miss a tackle yet. #Jets
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@mendezia One of the best in the league right now but there are already teams with 5 games so it's not easy to rank them.
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Missed tackles haven't been an issue for the #Jets this season except in a couple of plays. Have to keep it that way tonight.
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@hmmverynice It's hard to tell with some teams with 5 games, others with 4... But the Jets are one of the best in the league, around Top-5.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2013, 03:52:20 PM
Jets have offered Ryan Spadola a spot on the practice squad, per source, but Spadola has multiple options. #nyj
Sounds like he might not want it
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
Which is odd because hes thrown an ugly derriere deepball
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
PFF from Gonzalo Estrade:Way to jinx it.QuoteMissed tackles haven't been an issue for the #Jets this season except in a couple of plays. Have to keep it that way tonight.
Post by: NDMick on October 08, 2013, 05:14:37 PM
Also im not sure how this is possible but not only is Geno tied for the most completions of 15 + yards down field, but he has the highest completion % on them as well.
Which is odd because hes thrown an ugly derriere deepball
Intermediate throws when he plants and uses proper mechanics are threaded beautifully.
Its a the big play deep ball that he floats like a vagina.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
With release of Aumavae, #Jets have 2 spots on practice squad. I'd imagine one will go to Spadola.
6:03PM EDT
Post by: Miamipuck on October 08, 2013, 05:27:28 PM
PFF from Gonzalo Estrade:Way to jinx it.QuoteMissed tackles haven't been an issue for the #Jets this season except in a couple of plays. Have to keep it that way tonight.
What else is new.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 09, 2013, 07:32:48 AM
@Brian_Bassett: Why does this seem so familiar? Oh. http://t.co/CB1jVNVl6q
Post by: NDMick on October 09, 2013, 08:29:12 AM
Post by: Rexifer on October 09, 2013, 10:21:20 AM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/Geno-Smith-Named-AFC-Offensive-Player-of-Week/2cb0fa7a-b690-4b8b-8d45-ecc1ab3597e1
Post by: NDMick on October 09, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
Post by: Tommy on October 09, 2013, 10:36:17 AM
^ My guess is that he'll win the other two awards (rookie and GMC) as well. Good for the kid.
My Quarterback.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 09, 2013, 10:36:36 AM
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There used to be a circus around here, beneath a riotous green-and-white Big Top, Rex Ryan behind the wheel of one clown car, Mark Sanchez riding shotgun, Woody Johnson behind the wheel of another, chauffeuring Tim Tebow around for everyone to see.
The circus has officially left town.
In its place stands a defiant football coach and his defiant football team — the New York Football Defiants — who would relish a game with the New York Football Giants, even if it had to take place in the parking lot on New York Super Bowl Sunday with no one watching. A defiant football coach, former circus Fat Man, fighting to keep his dream job, and his defiant football team, led by a baby-faced kid quarterback starring in a sitcom we can call “I Dream of Geno,” ready and willing, if not always able, to take on all comers who wonder why Bozo has left the building. When they said they’ll be back, The Rexterminators weren’t kidding.
The Rexterminators, you may or may not recall, are a fearless army that doesn’t want to hear about any damn buttfumble, or any damn Snoopy Bowl mindlessness, or any damn ESPN rankings. Only: Who’s next? They’ll hunt you down and then bloody your nose in a Big Apple minute, and are younger and hungrier and meaner and tougher than the 0-5 zombies on the blue side of town, especially in the trenches. The NFL knows them as the New York Jets, and if you are familiar with their unfathomable history, then you certainly know better than to plan any Canyon of Heroes parade any time soon. Perhaps the Mud Bowl might ring a bell. These tortured souls haven’t won a championship since Jan. 12, 1969. Since Broadway Joe.
“It’s not like we feel like we’re King Kong,” Ryan said Tuesday.
But if you don’t think these bad boys are ready to get the monkey off their backs and dream of a playoff berth, just look around at the rest of the AFC and tell me who, other than Peyton Manning, is King Kong?
Because these are the Jets, because this is the NFL, because Geno Smith has all of five flights as the Jet pilot, you can bet there will be turbulence ahead. Any Given Sundays or Monday Nights when he can give you a 147.7 quarterback rating every bit as much as a behind-the-back dribble by the goal line. But boy, if that was a glimpse of the future Smith provided in Atlanta, then maybe there will be a future for the Rexterminators after all. “He’s the man,” Jeremy Kerley said.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, owns a crystal ball that can tell us whether Smith will ultimately find himself resting in the franchise’s endless quarterbacks graveyard that is littered with the bodies of would-be phenoms and has-beens and never-weres. It doesn’t mean he can’t be a symbol of hope for a better tomorrow, whenever that tomorrow arrives. It doesn’t mean the long-suffering Jets fan should be discouraged from singing “I Dream of Geno” at the top of his or her long-suffering lungs. It should not be lost on anyone that in his sixth NFL start, Mark Sanchez endured a five-interception nightmare.
On the other end of the spectrum, Eli Manning was 0-5 (sound familiar?) in his first five starts, completing 55-of-124 passes with three touchdowns and seven interceptions. Peyton Manning was 1-4 after five starts with four TDs and 12 INTs.
The expectations for I Dream of Geno should be tempered also because of the dearth of playmakers around him. But he can sure sling that rock when he is made comfortable by Marty Mornhinweg. And if the growing pains continue to subside, then we may have a football season around here after all. Season’s greetings from the Rexterminators. I Dream of Geno should be the quarterback for the rest of the season, the boy leader of the remorseless Rexterminators, who don’t care whether you like them or not, who don’t care about style points or Winning Ugly. Because in the NFL, the face of a clown is much, much uglier.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 09, 2013, 10:43:07 AM
Post by: JFIF on October 09, 2013, 10:59:33 AM
Steiny was blowing his load on ricky sapp coming back. At the expense of an actual nfl player in Barnes.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 09, 2013, 11:05:25 AM
Barnes out for the year.
Steiny was blowing his load on ricky sapp coming back. At the expense of an actual nfl player in Barnes.
JFIF, Can you post a link/tweet, I can't find that anywhere. Thanks in advance.
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2013, 11:08:03 AM
Oh boy. Antwan Barnes to injured reserve. #NYJ re-signs Ricky Sapp. Big blow to Rex's defense.
I'm not sure how big a deal it really is though.
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2013, 11:14:39 AM
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=84.0
Post by: 624 on October 09, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
It's obviously threadworthy though.
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=84.0
This. I hated how on YDKF people would just cram so much thread worthy stuff to get lost in this thread.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 09, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimininow
Milliner leaves to work with trainer on side. Jarrett off to side. No Kenrick Ellis. #Jets
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimininow
Milliner leaves to work with trainer on side. Jarrett off to side. No Kenrick Ellis. #Jets
Well Milliners just rehabbing that hammy injury thats no big deal, and I dont think Ellis has been 100% since we drafted him.
Outside of Jarrett (who Rex said he expects would get less playing time against Pitt anyway) nothing too worriesome here
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2013, 01:00:35 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 11, 2013, 10:16:47 AM
So on the injury front, you had Ellis out there but spent most of his time on a knee, Milliner on the bike, Cro/Winslow/Holmes M.I.A.
Ellis out there stretching #nyj
Milliner also stretching #nyj
Milliner not participating in drills, however #nyj
Milliner over on the bike #nyj
Have not seen Cromartie holmes or Winslow #nyj
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2013, 05:36:14 PM
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Brian Costello
Gates has his left arm in a sling
4:34PM EDT
Brian Costello[/size]Powell has a shoulder injury. Gates shoulder injury. Goodson knee.
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Sounds highly probable hes out next week vs the Pats if not longer
Hope we bring in someone other than Obomanu
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2013, 05:41:06 PM
In before hawk shows up and complains about us releasing Ryan Spadola.
I wouldnt be surprised if hes a Jet this week
No Holmes + Goodson/Gates both seem unlikely were gonna need to bring in a few offensive players
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2013, 05:41:54 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if hes a Jet this week
No Holmes + Goodson/Gates both seem unlikely were gonna need to bring in a few offensive players
Miami signed him to their practice squad
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
Miami signed him to their practice squad
And we would be signing him to the active roster with Gates and Holmes both out
I mean what wrs do we have now
Hill + Kerley ?
(forgot about David Nelson and Michael Campbell)
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 13, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
Miami signed him to their practice squad
Idzik could sign him back to the active roster.
Sucks for Gates. It looked like he was developing a lot of trust with Smith.
Post by: casman02 on October 13, 2013, 07:35:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
All the early reports (aka 'rumors') do not look good for Goodson. freaking A
Its only Manish, not like a real journalist has said anything
Post by: Tommy on October 13, 2013, 08:22:32 PM
Post by: hawk on October 13, 2013, 10:22:34 PM
In before hawk shows up and complains about us releasing Ryan Spadola.
Just curious, at what point have I complained that he was released?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2013, 10:38:42 PM
Just curious, at what point have I complained that he was released?
Im not sure if you know what the word before means
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2013, 07:35:45 PM
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 17, 2013, 10:32:25 AM
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Edit: freak me, won't work.
Edit Part Deux: GFY and your supposed earring, it does work
Edit Part Toix: Thanks Bro. My earring rules, might wear it to work tomorrow
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2013, 03:07:30 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/1ollur/see_ya_thejetsblogcom/cctt01n
Post by: Tommy on October 17, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2013, 03:18:10 PM
Here's a good opportunity to try and get their userbase over to our message board.
And then ban them for being idiots.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 17, 2013, 03:50:07 PM
And then ban them for being idiots.
Yeah, if I want to sift through hordes of retards I'll go back to TGG.
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
When I say semi-jokingly, I mean somewhere around 20%. The other 80% was serious, because it's true.
Post by: Pope on October 17, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
I don't think this site will ever grow because everyone is so anti-newcomers.
Admission to this select club shouldn't be easy. If they can't weather the storm they shouldn't stay. We are elite douchebags.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 17, 2013, 07:27:04 PM
Admission to this select club shouldn't be easy. If they can't weather the storm they shouldn't stay. We are elite douchebags.
That is what I strive to be when I wake up in the morning. Each day I'm looking for new ways to be a better and more elite level douchebag
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
That is what I strive to be when I wake up in the morning. Each day I'm looking for new ways to be a better and more elite level douchebag
Wake n grind.
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2013, 12:40:38 AM
I don't think this site will ever grow because everyone is so anti-newcomers.
I agree with this completely. Being a dick to people is not something that should be worn like a badge of honour.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 18, 2013, 03:28:05 AM
Post by: ons on October 18, 2013, 08:44:31 AM
Have we ever actually had a newcomer ?
Well I wasn't ever really active on TGG, and found YDKF more or less on my own. If that counts.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 18, 2013, 09:46:42 AM
Holmes semi-jokingly told the media that they were interrupting his rehab.
When I say semi-jokingly, I mean somewhere around 20%. The other 80% was serious, because it's true.
Did you see the hissy fit the writers threw over it? "Wahhhhh, Holmes is upset because we made him leave treatment for 10 minutes to answer absolutely nothing because what is he actually going to say!?"
The Jets beat is a big ol' bag o' dicks.
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2013, 09:55:59 AM
Did you see the hissy fit the writers threw over it? "Wahhhhh, Holmes is upset because we made him leave treatment for 10 minutes to answer absolutely nothing because what is he actually going to say!?"Here's the usual chain lately:
The Jets beat is a big ol' bag o' dicks.
Player complains about or ignores media requirements > Beat writers "call out" players on it > Jets fans unanimously inform them they don't give a excrement > Beat writers blubber "but those are the rules!"
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 18, 2013, 10:02:43 AM
I agree with this completely. Being a dick to people is not something that should be worn like a badge of honour.
Could be, but I don't want to go back to TGG days either. There's a reason why I never visit that forum anymore.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2013, 10:06:53 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2013, 10:24:55 AM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
I think the issue is less whether any newcomer to the site is capable of taking excrement, and more whether they can be bothered to. Why would you stick around a site if the first time you post anything you get a bunch of grief from the gobshites on there competing to demonstrate how much more they know than you do? (I'm obviously speaking hypothetically here, and not for a moment suggesting that anyone here would actually do that.)No newcomer is getting excrement without reason.
Post by: Tommy on October 18, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2013, 10:29:18 AM
I dunno. I distinctly remember MB talking down to a newcomer on YDKF because he only had a few posts and didn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously.Like I'm going to listen to some bundle of sticks who doesn't even have 400 posts. Get on my level.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 18, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
Here's the usual chain lately:
Player complains about or ignores media requirements > Beat writers "call out" players on it > Jets fans unanimously inform them they don't give a excrement > Beat writers blubber "but those are the rules!"
Hahaha, yup! It's so sickening.
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On the newcomer conversation, I'm of two minds.
On one hand, there are some real clowns that show up on the boards who start spewing nonsense. One example is that guy on the last board who was an adoring Tebow fan (and maybe a Saints fan too?). His first post was reasonable and I thought "Okay, this guy can certainly be one of those rare "Not a Jets fan but productive member of the board types." By the following week I couldn't stand the guy anymore.
On the other hand, we all say things that turn out to be wrong, or misinformed, or that are flat out stupid at times. Some people take a while before they make a big foot-in-mouth post, others do it early on. Either way, we all do it sometimes. If you tear a poster down just because his first post or two sounds like garbage to you, you've likely chased that poster away. You never know if he could be productive if given the chance.
Just taking myself as an example, I've learned more from reading these past three Jets-related message boards (TGG, YDKF, and now JO) than I've learned pretty much anywhere else. And that's on multiple topics, not just football or even just sports. And a large part of that was being willing to listen to opposing arguments and accept when evidence presented rationally showed me I should change my opinion.
Clowning around with friends is completely different from clowning a dude you don't know. The cesspool (or whatever it is called at this point) is fine for people who've been around for a while, but if you want to attract more users you're going to have to give new users a chance to speak and also give them a chance to listen. Before you tear them a new anus.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
Like I'm going to listen to some bundle of sticks who doesn't even have 400 posts. Get on my level.
Can't say bundle of sticks. Gay or retard is acceptable.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 18, 2013, 01:12:23 PM
I dunno. I distinctly remember MB talking down to a newcomer on YDKF because he only had a few posts and didn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously.
I don't recall that one. I don't think people here are going to be assholes for no reason. On TGG it started to get that way because there were just so many idiots.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
Just like in life, there are certain types of people you don't like and therefore don't choose to spend time with. We are just a group instead of one person.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 18, 2013, 02:52:39 PM
I just like a handful of Jet fans to talk about what's going on, I don't care how many of how new.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2013, 10:08:14 AM
I dunno. I distinctly remember MB talking down to a newcomer on YDKF because he only had a few posts and didn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously.
I was a little over the top with that one. I didn't handle that correctly, and that poster deserved an apology.
Live and learn....
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 19, 2013, 04:37:12 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2013, 06:30:02 PM
I'm intimidated by your meanness. You are not letting me flourish.
GFY.
I mean........have a cookie.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2013, 12:12:18 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 22, 2013, 05:01:48 AM
I just read from an unreliable unsourceable source that jets are one of the 3 teams that made an offer on josh Gordon. anyone hear anything?
Nope but after this last weeks poor performance I hope he is much cheaper than before...
Post by: Heismanberg on October 22, 2013, 06:50:35 AM
Nope but after this last weeks poor performance I hope he is much cheaper than before...
That was Weeden's fault
Post by: WW85 on October 22, 2013, 07:22:32 AM
I'm not against newcomers, I just don't want to deal with throngs of idiots overreacting to everything that happens and clogging up the board with that nonsense. That and the people who troll everyone with their agenda about hating this guy or that guy when he's still on the team, or people like champ with their gloom and doom just for the sake of being a jackass.
I just like a handful of Jet fans to talk about what's going on, I don't care how many of how new.
Couldn't have said it better.
Quality over quantity is the reason I'm a member on this site. At other sites you have to dig through so much nonsense to find anything worth reading.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 22, 2013, 07:51:37 AM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
At least 3 teams have contacted Browns about deal for WR Josh Gordon; two have standing offers of a high pick and a player. Browns balking.
Nick Barlotta @NickBarlottaFN 17m
I am now hearing deal between Jets and Browns is very close to done..Jets have 2 picks on table.... Deal of course regarding josh Gordon...
Post by: Heismanberg on October 22, 2013, 07:54:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 22, 2013, 08:00:26 AM
Incarcerated Bob was the original source 11 hours ago...
Oh excrement sorry, I was poking around the internet, I didn't know Barlotta but if he is using that guy as a source, you will never see him quoted from me again.
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2013, 08:13:12 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 22, 2013, 08:23:52 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
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Post by: Tommy on October 22, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2013, 12:33:43 PM
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Post by: Pope on October 22, 2013, 12:52:12 PM
I love dog dick in my mouth.
Post by: Pope on October 22, 2013, 12:52:41 PM
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2013, 01:41:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2013, 01:44:24 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2013, 02:00:43 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 22, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
freak off.So... old.
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2013, 02:25:05 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2013, 09:31:16 PM
Safe to say anything he posted was bullshit
Post by: Pope on October 22, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
Well the aids infested fuckhead who suggested that we were going to trade for Kyle Wilson no longer has a twitterWhat was the the trade? 2010 1st round draft pick?
Safe to say anything he posted was bullshit
Post by: bojanglesman on October 23, 2013, 03:21:51 PM
Garrard had to cut short his session w/reporters to get to a meeting. "I don't want to get fined. I don't have any money yet." #NYJ
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2013, 09:01:36 AM
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From: @HubbuchNYP
Sent: Oct 24, 2013 8:55a
NYC SB chair Al Kelly jokes "a couple of idiots" won't dress properly. Fox's Pam Oliver, who is hosting this, says: "Probably Jets fans."
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From: @HubbuchNYP
Sent: Oct 24, 2013 9:08a
Pam Oliver says "I'm from the South," asks Woody and Tisch how they think they can get New Yorkers to "be polite, be nice." Crowd groans.
Post by: Johnny English on October 24, 2013, 09:05:07 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 24, 2013, 09:06:18 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2013, 09:19:24 AM
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I could sit here watching that all day.
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on October 24, 2013, 09:36:57 AM
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She could have caught that excrement with her teeth!
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: Pope on October 24, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 24, 2013, 10:00:08 AM
Post by: JFIF on October 24, 2013, 10:03:28 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2013, 11:29:23 AM
Kelly: "If somebody gets frost bite that's their own fault." Oliver: "Probably Jets fans." Woody: "What prompted that?" #NFL
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2013, 11:33:25 AM
Santonio Holmes is working with the wide receivers, running routes and catching balls. Definitely a positive sign. #Jets
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2013, 11:33:52 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Holmes is in WR drills #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Holmes ran one route and is now watching
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2013, 11:34:14 AM
Jets practice: TE Jeff Cumberland (hamstring) walks off to rehab area. Looks like no practice for second straight day. #Jets
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
James Costanzo @JamesCostanzo 20m(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vpE6uMJ37dk/UOScrne47aI/AAAAAAAAEL4/Ki-4IWO-SoY/s1600/ron-paul.gif)
Santonio Holmes is working with the wide receivers, running routes and catching balls. Definitely a positive sign. #Jets
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 24, 2013, 11:41:03 AM
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Gary Myers@garymyersNYDN1h
Woody says he will have announcement on Rex Ryan's future as coach after the season. He's happy with Ryan-Idzik dynamic
the hell?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 24, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 24, 2013, 11:47:48 AM
the hell?
Whaddaya mean "what the hell? "? Woody already commented last season that he wont comment anyone's job situation on the FO or CS during the season.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2013, 11:52:27 AM
Woody was at a lunch and they were grilling him:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/24/woody-johnson-were-happy-with-rex/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/24/woody-johnson-were-happy-with-rex/)
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Jets owner Woody Johnson didn’t delve too deeply into the future of his head coach, but after an offseason that felt like an inevitable final act for Rex Ryan, Johnson was openly supportive after a surprising 4-3 start.
“We’re happy with Rex,” Johnson said, via Gary Myers of the New York Daily News. “Coaches have to be good teachers and good leaders and I think he’s both.”
Johnson said he’d reserve comment on Ryan’s future with the team until after the season. Much could change between now and then, but at the moment, Ryan has the Jets playing far above expectations, after an overtime win over their division rival Patriots.
Ryan’s contract runs through the 2014 season, meaning they’ll have to make a call this offseason to avoid the always awkward lame duck season.
“I will make a statement after the season,” Johnson said. “I never make any comments regarding contracts during the season.”
Asked if he anticipated keeping Ryan, Johnson replied: “I don’t make any statements like that. The only thing I’ll say is I’m happy with him. I think he’s a great teacher, a good teacher, maybe a great teacher and a good leader.”
There’s no point in, or incentive for Johnson declaring his undying love for Ryan at the moment. As well as they’ve played, there’s still a possibility things could go wrong, and with a new General Manager, there’s no security for anyone who predated John Idzik’s arrival.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2013, 12:30:11 PM
Rex is confident he can win. He's coaching like he deserves to be here. Let him continue that. Let him also continue to work with Idzik and prove that together there is a legitimate future. If he continues to do those things, there's no reason he wouldn't or shouldn't be back.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 24, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
Quote
NFL reporter angers crowd with Jets, Giants insults
By Bart Hubbuch
October 24, 2013 | 1:29pm
If this is how Pam Oliver works a room, she might want to stick to sideline reporting.
The Fox Sports NFL reporter flopped as host of a New York-New Jersey Super Bowl breakfast for regional business leaders Thursday, drawing gasps, groans and more than a few boos for her odd and insulting comments during a roundtable with owners of the Jets and Giants.
Oliver surprised and angered the crowd by alternately ridiculing Jets fans, coach Rex Ryan, the Giants’ current woes and New Yorkers in general during the 30-minute session.
The Times Square breakfast for roughly 50 area business executives was sponsored by the Association for a Better New York.
When Al Kelly, chairman of the New York-New Jersey Super Bowl Committee, was asked by Oliver how the committee would make sure people dressed appropriately for an outdoor game in February, he said there would probably be “a couple of idiots” who wouldn’t do so.
“Probably Jets fans,” Oliver said, prompting groans.
Oliver later showed her apparent ignorance of the Jets’ surprising 4-3 start by asking team owner Woody Johnson: “How does Rex [Ryan] keep his job?”
The 1-6 Giants weren’t spared, either. Oliver asked one of the team’s owners, Jonathan Tisch, to explain “what in the hell is the matter with the Giants?”
The most insulting comment from Oliver, however, was reserved for New Yorkers as a whole.
The crowd roared when she ask the team owners and Kelly how they planned “to instruct people of this area, particularly New Yorkers, to be nice? To say ‘please,’ ‘thank you’ and ‘I’ll get that’?”
Oliver quickly qualified that by saying, “I’m sorry — I’m from the South.”
But Tisch wasn’t pleased.
“I’m from New York City, and I take exception with that,” Tisch said. “New Yorkers are unbelievably hospitable.”
Oliver suffered a concussion before a game earlier this year when she was hit in the head by a football.
New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/10/24/pam-olivers-jets-giants-insults-upset-crowd/)
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2013, 04:05:56 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2013, 06:38:13 PM
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/pam-oliver-hit-in-face-by-football-gif.gif)
I never get tired of seeing that.
Who was he throwing too? I don't see a receiver within a milw
Post by: Johnny English on October 24, 2013, 06:40:05 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Hubbuch article:
New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/10/24/pam-olivers-jets-giants-insults-upset-crowd/)
I like how they try and play it off like her getting a concussion 3 months ago is the cause of her idiocy.
Also "I'm from the south" like they are the most polite people int he world and New Yorkers are the scum of the Earth. Bitch needs to get her head on straight. If that's "professional" I'd love to see her be unprofessional.
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
I like how they try and play it off like her getting a concussion 3 months ago is the cause of her idiocy.
I didn't take it that way, more like "this was very stupid and the sort of thing a concussed person would do."
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
I didn't take it that way, more like "this was very stupid and the sort of thing a concussed person would do."
Oh so you think they were simply clarifying she was concussed but isn't currently?
I guess I could buy that. Still a worthless anecdote
Post by: hawk on October 24, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2013, 07:05:36 PM
Oh so you think they were simply clarifying she was concussed but isn't currently?I think it was included to mock her.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2013, 07:08:08 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2013, 08:56:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2013, 07:39:46 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 26, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
Wilkerson won his appeal of the fine for the hit on Locker.
Did anyone make a gif of that?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2013, 12:34:37 PM
Did anyone make a gif of that?
I don't know if I want any reminder of that game.
Post by: Badger on October 26, 2013, 03:34:41 PM
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2013, 10:17:12 AM
In last 70 years, only one NFL coach has ever had to start two rookie QBs in 5 year span for at least 7 games. And that's Rex Ryan. Tune in.
Post by: 624 on October 27, 2013, 01:00:44 PM
Rich Eisen @richeisen 2m
In last 70 years, only one NFL coach has ever had to start two rookie QBs in 5 year span for at least 7 games. And that's Rex Ryan. Tune in.
And he still has a winning record with both.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 27, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
And he still has a winning record with both.
And yet we still aren't sure whether he's back next year or not
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2013, 06:42:58 PM
Post by: JFIF on October 31, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BX69BRXCMAAKVVq.jpg:large)
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 31, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Post by: steves850 on October 31, 2013, 02:26:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BX69BRXCMAAKVVq.jpg:large)
Geno should bulk up! I don't like Smith his arms are too small...
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 31, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
Geno should bulk up! I don't like Smith his arms are too small...
I'm worried that they're too long.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 01, 2013, 07:47:15 AM
I'm worried that they're too long.
Geno is an poopchute
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2013, 08:01:53 AM
CB Antonio Cromartie, who has been struggling this year after having the best season of his career in 2012, refused to speak to reporters, as required by league rule. When a team official asked him to be available for a couple minutes, citing the league policy, Cromartie barked, “I don’t have to. [Beep] that policy.’’
Bahaha.
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2013, 08:09:20 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2013, 08:13:08 AM
Dude in line behind me at @quickchek this morning told me I look exactly like Nick Mangold, except I need to be a few inches taller
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 01, 2013, 08:18:55 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 01, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/jets-defensive-coordinator-jokes-about-bengals-loss/ (http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/jets-defensive-coordinator-jokes-about-bengals-loss/)
CB Antonio Cromartie, who has been struggling this year after having the best season of his career in 2012, refused to speak to reporters, as required by league rule. When a team official asked him to be available for a couple minutes, citing the league policy, Cromartie barked, “I don’t have to. [Beep] that policy.’’
Bahaha.
I want to see Holmes and Cromartie do a joint press conference where they both just stand there and not answer any questions asked of them. Maybe answer every question with movie quotes or song lyrics.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2013, 07:50:29 AM
I want to see Holmes and Cromartie do a joint press conference where they both just stand there and not answer any questions asked of them. Maybe answer every question with movie quotes or song lyrics.
I'd like to see them do a joint presser where their only responses to questions are farts.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2013, 04:57:06 PM
Someone needs to update this.
Post by: Rexifer on November 04, 2013, 07:26:39 AM
Back in the good old days when @Revis24 played for a team that mattered. Wonder if 12MM per and Rex as coach has any merit vs Schaino & 16MM
Darrelle Revis @Revis24 4h
@Jason_Owen naw 16 is better
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2013, 07:28:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 04, 2013, 07:59:40 AM
Jason Owen @Jason_Owen 7h
Back in the good old days when @Revis24 played for a team that mattered. Wonder if 12MM per and Rex as coach has any merit vs Schaino & 16MM
Darrelle Revis @Revis24 4h
@Jason_Owen naw 16 is better
I'd rather have players that give a excrement about winning. Revis can rot in Tampa.
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2013, 08:09:09 AM
Haha of course $16 million is better. This is the NFL. He can get hurt for good at any time, and a team can become really good at anytime.I still hope TB isn't good for the next 6 years.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 04, 2013, 08:14:17 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2013, 08:16:05 AM
Tampa will offload him and he'll be back with the Jets at 13 per season next year, you read here first
He's not making that much if his play doesn't pick up.
This team would have to move Cromartie to make that happen too, because Dee Milliner was drafted so the Jets could move on from Darrelle Revis. Milliner is only going to get better.
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2013, 08:19:59 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2013, 08:23:48 AM
Milliner made some great plays yesterday. In fact, pretty much everyone in the secondary made some great plays yesterday (as well as a handful of crappy ones).
Dee Milliner is physical as all get out. He's a great compliment to a finesse corner like Antonio Cromartie.
If the Jets can get a rangy, cover free safety, we'll be in business. I think we have something in Antonio Allen - he's going to get beat every now and then, but he's always around the ball.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 04, 2013, 09:52:42 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2013, 10:03:22 AM
Might be a nice add...
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
The Jaguars finally waived Dwight Lowery after he proved that he was healthy.Interesting. Where would he fit into our safety rotation?
Might be a nice add...
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2013, 10:06:34 AM
Interesting. Where would he fit into our safety rotation?
He's definitely a better coverage safety than anyone we have. I think he'd be a nice role player on passing downs.
Not a big fan of taking Antonio Allen off the field, but it might be necessary in certain situations.
Post by: 624 on November 04, 2013, 10:08:29 AM
The Jaguars finally waived Dwight Lowery after he proved that he was healthy.
Might be a nice add...
Why would they cut him? They're the worst roster in the league.
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2013, 10:10:36 AM
He's definitely a better coverage safety than anyone we have. I think he'd be a nice role player on passing downs.That was my thinking as well, not crazy about Allen (needs more experience) or Landry (seems crucial to guiding the D) losing snaps. But I'd be excited about Lowery-Allen going forward. He's only 27.
Not a big fan of taking Antonio Allen off the field, but it might be necessary in certain situations.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2013, 10:10:41 AM
Why would they cut him? They're the worst roster in the league.
He's been on IR for most of the season.
They have two rookies starting a safety.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2013, 10:11:49 AM
That was my thinking as well, not crazy about Allen (needs more experience) or Landry (seems crucial to guiding the D) losing snaps. But I'd be excited about Lowery-Allen going forward. He's only 27.
Allen is a better version of James Ihedigbo, but his ball skills are much better.
I really think we have a longterm contributor in him. ...seventh round steal.
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2013, 10:19:15 AM
I really think we have a longterm contributor in him. ...seventh round steal.
(http://turnonthejets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/mike_tannenbaum_320.jpg)
Post by: ons on November 04, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
I could see Lowery being brought in as another factor to guard against tight ends/slot receivers; another player to rotate in with Allen/Jarrett depending on the opposing personnel. They've shown a lot of flexibility with how they've handled snaps at that position and adding another skillset there would be a nice weapon for coverage schemes.
Don't know if we can afford to spend three roster spots at that position though.
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2013, 10:20:35 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 31m
Kellen Winslow is back. He said he believes it was allergy medication that caused his failed test for PEDs.
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2013, 02:28:54 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2013, 02:29:10 PM
Allen's the one who everyone loved in college, but come draft day no-one could figure out whether he could transition from the SPUR role into a more traditional safety role, right?
no
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2013, 02:41:57 PM
Post by: Jumbo on November 04, 2013, 02:42:29 PM
Allen's the one who everyone loved in college, but come draft day no-one could figure out whether he could transition from the SPUR role into a more traditional safety role, right?
You would be correct.
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
You don't really have any idea whether he is or not, do you?
no
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
no
Good ole Tommy.
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2013, 03:12:57 PM
Good ole Tommy.
We keep him around to make you and me look knowledgeable.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2013, 03:15:18 PM
We keep him around to make you and me look knowledgeable.
Tommy and I both suck equally at Jets history.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 04, 2013, 03:16:25 PM
no
HAHAHAHAHA
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2013, 03:23:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2013, 03:31:28 PM
Ha. I like taking bits and pieces of what everyone says on here and dish them out around the office. Makes me sound like a very informative fan.
That sounds like lots of fans.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 04, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
Ha. I like taking bits and pieces of what everyone says on here and dish them out around the office. Makes me sound like a very informative fan.
I can't count how many times I've talked about the Jets/Yankees/Knicks with fellow fans offline and they just look at me like "How do you know all of this?! WHY do you know all of this?!"
The answer is largely thanks to the boards I've been on. It's made me pay closer attention to games to try not to look like a total idiot when I post the next day, but also, listening to people who know more about particular players, positions, formations, etc.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2013, 01:50:10 PM
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2013, 02:04:55 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 06, 2013, 05:34:35 PM
Post by: 624 on November 06, 2013, 05:53:53 PM
No idea how you that badge (or any of the other excrement you dig up from the far reaches of the universe) but good find!
He browses reddit
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
He browses redditMy deep dark secret
Post by: Fenwyr on November 06, 2013, 07:41:09 PM
My deep dark secret
Deep and dark, but not really very secret...
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2013, 10:08:23 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 07, 2013, 06:14:32 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 07, 2013, 08:27:35 AM
No big deal though.
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2013, 08:29:47 AM
That was one an incredibly dumb decision, but it sounds like it was more John Idzik than anything else.It would have been a lot worse if we were a 1 or 2 win team right now.
No big deal though.
Post by: Tommy on November 07, 2013, 08:30:57 AM
That was one an incredibly dumb decision, but it sounds like it was more John Idzik than anything else.
No big deal though.
If that happened in 2012, I would agree with you. This season? Sanchez was hardly the be-all-end-all.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 07, 2013, 08:35:18 AM
If that happened in 2012, I would agree with you. This season? Sanchez was hardly the be-all-end-all.
He certainly wasn't, but he was the winner of the QB competition and if he struggled early, Smith would go in.
You don't understand the value of a QB sitting and learning because you try to compare a game like this to real world experience. It's completely different.
Smith is making the mistakes because the game is moving to fast for him. Most of his INTs are late throws. Sitting and learning from the bench and in practice (outside looking in) really helps a lot of young players.
Post by: Tommy on November 07, 2013, 08:37:01 AM
He certainly wasn't, but he was the winner of the QB competition and if he struggled early, Smith would go in.
You don't understand the value of a QB sitting and learning because you try to compare a game like this to real world experience. It's completely different.
Smith is making the mistakes because the game is moving to fast for him. Most of his INTs are late throws. Sitting and learning from the bench and in practice (outside looking in) really helps a lot of young players.
Would you say that being out there too early hurts more than it helps?
Post by: Heismanberg on November 07, 2013, 08:40:10 AM
Would you say that being out there too early hurts more than it helps?
It can, especially when that player doesn't have the best talent around him.
Smith seems to handle it well, at least.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 07, 2013, 10:45:48 PM
It can, especially when that player doesn't have the best talent around him.
Smith seems to handle it well, at least.
At least he seems to have a competent OL. I'd say that is the biggest deal breaker for rookies. If Sanchez had the kind of time Geno gets, who knows.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 08, 2013, 04:27:38 AM
At least he seems to have a competent OL. I'd say that is the biggest deal breaker for rookies. If Sanchez had the kind of time Geno gets, who knows.
The OLine during Sanchez's first two seasons was great. Damien Woody retiring and the Jets switching from a zone to a man blocking scheme helped freak that up.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 08, 2013, 01:32:20 PM
The OLine during Sanchez's first two seasons was great. Damien Woody retiring and the Jets switching from a zone to a man blocking scheme helped freak that up.
Precisely. Sanchez still made some mind numbing bad throws, but when he had protection in his first two years he could win games.
I think he would be great with this OL and defense. It's a shame we'll likely never get to see it.
Post by: 624 on November 08, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
Precisely. Sanchez still made some mind numbing bad throws, but when he had protection in his first two years he could win games.
I think he would be great with this OL and defense. It's a shame we'll likely never get to see it.
I think having a real offensive coordinator who actually knows how to run a passing offense is what would have helped him more than anything. Sanchez has played with great lines and defenses before, but never a good coordinator.
Post by: reuben on November 09, 2013, 02:19:27 PM
At least he seems to have a competent OL. I'd say that is the biggest deal breaker for rookies. If Sanchez had the kind of time Geno gets, who knows.
I'm not sure what you find so impressive about our o-line this year. Our quarterback has been sacked 30 times (3rd most in the NFL) and PFF ranks us as the worst run-blocking line in the league. Aside from Austin Howard, everybody is having a bad year, even Brick and Mangold. I trust Winters will improve, Mangold and Brick will return to form, and the line will gel as a unit in the future, but thus far, that hasn't happened.
Wayne Hunter excluded, Mark Sanchez did a lot to make talented linemen look bad. He'd be getting crushed behind this year's line.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2013, 02:20:47 PM
Post by: reuben on November 09, 2013, 02:33:18 PM
And Mark wasn't making plays with his feet like Geno has been.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2013, 02:35:50 PM
The same could have been said about Sanchez.I saw a lot more of Sanchez getting killed right after the snap. Not that he wasn't at fault for other sacks where he held on to it for too long, but I don't see Smith have too many snaps where he's fucked right off the bat.
And Mark wasn't making plays with his feet like Geno has been.
Overall I definitely think we have a better OL than we had for the previous two seasons.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 09, 2013, 03:14:10 PM
I saw a lot more of Sanchez getting killed right after the snap. Not that he wasn't at fault for other sacks where he held on to it for too long, but I don't see Smith have too many snaps where he's fucked right off the bat.
Overall I definitely think we have a better OL than we had for the previous two seasons.
It's solid now, as Winters grows and we get a replacement for the most penalized OL in the league in Colon, it will improve.
Post by: JFIF on November 09, 2013, 08:25:10 PM
I'm not sure what you find so impressive about our o-line this year. Our quarterback has been sacked 30 times (3rd most in the NFL) and PFF ranks us as the worst run-blocking line in the league. Aside from Austin Howard, everybody is having a bad year, even Brick and Mangold. I trust Winters will improve, Mangold and Brick will return to form, and the line will gel as a unit in the future, but thus far, that hasn't happened.
Wayne Hunter excluded, Mark Sanchez did a lot to make talented linemen look bad. He'd be getting crushed behind this year's line.
Worse run blocking than the Ravens? Yeah right
Post by: ons on November 09, 2013, 08:37:11 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 09, 2013, 08:40:16 PM
Our o-line has been terrible, especially Winters.
I'm sure you know this, but he's a rookie learning a new position on the OL. Mistakes are going to happen, and most of them are mental with the pass protection.
Winters has enough physical ability to be a strong player on the line for years. And he's made some excellent blocks, especially as a pulling guard so far this year.
It will get better.
Post by: ons on November 09, 2013, 08:43:26 PM
I'm sure you know this, but he's a rookie learning a new position on the OL. Mistakes are going to happen, and most of them are mental with the pass protection.
Winters has enough physical ability to be a strong player on the line for years. And he's made some excellent blocks, especially as a pulling guard so far this year.
It will get better.
Absolutely, totally agree, I trust his upside and his development. But this year he's been passable at his best, brutal at his worst.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 10, 2013, 08:57:34 AM
Absolutely, totally agree, I trust his upside and his development. But this year he's been passable at his best, brutal at his worst.
Still better than Ducasse save for Ducasse's game against Wilfork.
Post by: JFIF on November 12, 2013, 12:45:14 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Darrelle Revis rips "bitter" Jets fans for death threats and harassment, says they need to "let it go." http://bit.ly/17kILe6
Post by: dcm1602 on November 12, 2013, 12:58:23 AM
Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP 10m
EXCLUSIVE: Darrelle Revis rips "bitter" Jets fans for death threats and harassment, says they need to "let it go." http://bit.ly/17kILe6 (http://bit.ly/17kILe6)
“As long as the people that I’m close with know me and know what type of person I am and how I want to win a Super Bowl, that’s that,” Revis said.
All people who want to win a superbowl sign a 6 year contract with the 2nd worst team in the nfl
freak death threats, I hope he plays ever single remaining year of his career for Tampa, and never sees a playoff game again
Post by: bojanglesman on November 12, 2013, 06:10:05 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 12, 2013, 06:17:24 AM
Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP 10m
EXCLUSIVE: Darrelle Revis rips "bitter" Jets fans for death threats and harassment, says they need to "let it go." http://bit.ly/17kILe6
What kinds if losers are actually sending him death treats?
Post by: JFIF on November 12, 2013, 06:53:10 AM
What kinds if losers are actually sending him death treats?
Geiger for cutting his allowance
Post by: Miamipuck on November 12, 2013, 07:41:25 AM
Geiger for cutting his allowance
He broke up with Geiger? That explains why he is so uptight.
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2013, 11:12:40 PM
Quote
In the summer I visited Jets camp in Cortland, N.Y., and spent a few minutes with Rex Ryan after practice. I thought, like everyone else in football America, that Ryan was on his farewell tour with the Jets. I’d been around him enough to know that he was a relentless optimist, and I said to him that, even though the horizon looked dark, he could always take solace in the fact that he was going to survive at least five years as a head coach in the cauldron of New York professional sports.
“You know,” he said, “I never came here for the security of the job. I never came here to survive. I came here to win. And this year, well, we’ll see. I hear what people are saying. I know we are more talented than people give us credit for. I have been around long enough to know what a good team looks like. So we’ll see. We will work our derriere off to get things done. We’ll see.”
Full article: http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/12/rex-isnt-done-far-from-it/
Post by: JFIF on November 13, 2013, 01:06:19 AM
Don't care, got cap space.
and Shellz
I wonder if we still would have took Milliner if the Revis trade never happened. If we drafted according to the board, i'd imagine Milliner was the higher prospect
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 01:08:54 AM
and Shellz
I wonder if we still would have took Milliner if the Revis trade never happened. If we drafted according to the board, i'd imagine Milliner was the higher prospect
Only if we intended on trading multiple other corners.
It would just be a gross overkill having Revis Cromartie Wilson and Milliner
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 13, 2013, 04:35:49 AM
In case you missed it, good piece on Rex from Peter King.
Full article: http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/12/rex-isnt-done-far-from-it/
Great read.
Post by: ons on November 13, 2013, 10:07:38 AM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2013, 10:11:19 AM
Edit: Who the hell would want to read a book about the 2011 Jets?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
Honestly though, I'm with Cro. There were times when I wanted to punch Pettine too.
Post by: 624 on November 13, 2013, 11:24:51 AM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2013, 11:42:09 AM
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Former Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis added levity to the situation when he raised his hand and declared that he wanted to play receiver.
He heard WRs get paid more.
Edit: According to Spotrac that's not true this year. 3 CBs have a bigger cap hit than the biggest WR hit.
Fun fact: Santonio Holmes has a bigger cap hit than Calvin Johnson this year.
Post by: Nessticle on November 13, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
He heard WRs get paid more.
Edit: According to Spotrac that's not true this year. 3 CBs have a bigger cap hit than the biggest WR hit.
Fun fact: Santonio Holmes has a bigger cap hit than Calvin Johnson this year.
There is nothing fun about that fact.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 13, 2013, 04:28:19 PM
He heard WRs get paid more.
Edit: According to Spotrac that's not true this year. 3 CBs have a bigger cap hit than the biggest WR hit.
Fun fact: Santonio Holmes has a bigger cap hit than Calvin Johnson this year.
Next year doesn't Calvin have the biggest cap hit of all time for a non-QB? Also since tone will be lucky to have a 4 mill contract next year, it will be awfully different in 5 months
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2013, 04:51:58 PM
Next year doesn't Calvin have the biggest cap hit of all time for a non-QB? Also since tone will be lucky to have a 4 mill contract next year, it will be awfully different in 5 monthsNext years numbers are quite different, there will be a few more WRs over the top CB.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2013, 07:56:08 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2013, 07:58:40 PM
Jets showing interest in Ed Reed per Cimini.
Definitely not against this, I just hope Antonio Allen keeps getting playing time.
Reed is an upgrade over Josh Bush.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2013, 07:59:32 PM
According to Nick Spano, Nick Spano called this years ago.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
I mean even last year he wasn't a world beater, and just hasn't been completley healthy.
I doubt he's truly 100% now. I guess as long as we use him sparingly in pass situations only, it won't be bad.
Anyone know if Rex asked Ray to come out of retirement and join him ?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2013, 08:05:15 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Lord knows we need secondary help but is a 35 year old Ed Reed going to help? Any chance Rex can get more from him than the Texans?
I don't know to the first, but definitely to your second question. They have a long history together, and Reed has played in Rex's defense or something close to it his entire career. Not to mention Rex is a drastically better coach than wade Phillips will ever be
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2013, 08:16:34 PM
Bring him in and use him as a mentor/player coach for the young guys that we have. He should have a pretty good understanding on the scheme. Having him around can't hurt.
Post by: reuben on November 13, 2013, 08:43:24 PM
Reed won't play if he can't play at a high level. If the Jets sign him, it will be for the vet minimum.
Bring him in and use him as a mentor/player coach for the young guys that we have. He should have a pretty good understanding on the scheme. Having him around can't hurt.
My guess is that Rex Ryan is throwing a excrement-fit in New Jersey right now about how we have to sign Ed Reed, and John Idzik is reminding Rex that it isn't 2008, when Ed Reed was DPoY, nor is it 2010, when Rex could tell his GM what to do.
Just a hunch. Wade Phillips is no simpleton.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 13, 2013, 08:46:22 PM
Post by: hawk on November 13, 2013, 08:47:05 PM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
By the way, if you guys didn't know...Well freak, now I really hope it doesn't happen.
According to Nick Spano, Nick Spano called this years ago.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
It just doesnt make sense to me
I mean if the Ravens were legit contenders I could see him going back, but they dont even look like a wildcard team.
And if Ed Reed decides to just retire instead of joining another team, he still gets any guaranteed money from the Texans contract right ? Or would that change it ?
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2013, 09:15:56 PM
Is anyone expecting Ed Reed to actually play for the vet minimum ?
It just doesnt make sense to me
Do you know how much money he made in Houston? The dude made over $5 million and played in 5 games.
Reed got his final pay day.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 09:19:23 PM
Do you know how much money he made in Houston? The dude made over $5 million and played in 5 games.
Reed got his final pay day.
Thats why I expect him to finish out his career with his Ravens or retire.
The guy was contemplating retiring the last few years because of his health, and opted to play again because he got a pretty chunk of cash from the Texans for doing nothing.
It just doesnt sound like him to go play for garbage and risk his health. Especially when he JUST got his ring.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 13, 2013, 09:56:46 PM
Sign me up. Nothing against our other safeties, but that is an upgrade to our current secondary, no question (other than Reed's health) about it.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 10:11:21 PM
Cromartie/Millner/Wilson/Allen/Reed?
Sign me up. Nothing against our other safeties, but that is an upgrade to our current secondary, no question (other than Reed's health) about it.
Landy would move to his natural position at SS and Allen to the bench
Him and Reed did play together for 5 years too
Post by: 624 on November 13, 2013, 10:18:26 PM
Landy would move to his natural position at SS and Allen to the bench
Him and Reed did play together for 5 years too
Reed would not be an every down player.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
Reed would not be an every down player.
I wouldnt want to see him on the field in run situations anyway
Post by: Miamipuck on November 13, 2013, 10:42:47 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 14, 2013, 06:42:54 AM
Post by: ons on November 14, 2013, 06:54:11 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2013, 07:32:12 AM
Why not? He certainly won't make our secondary worse.I hate that it would take Allen off the field. The more he plays, the better. I understand the mentoring aspect, but I think he'd just retire if he isn't going to play much.
I just don't see the Jets signing him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 14, 2013, 07:45:15 AM
I definitely don't want to see the starting lineup turn into Reed and Landry with Allen getting demoted to sub packages only. Unfortunately Rex tends to lean toward playing veterans disproportionately over younger players, or at least it seems that way to me.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 14, 2013, 08:06:42 AM
I hate that it would take Allen off the field. The more he plays, the better. I understand the mentoring aspect, but I think he'd just retire if he isn't going to play much.
I just don't see the Jets signing him.
On passing downs they can still keep Allen in to cover the TE. The Jets do need a ball hawk out there. They have gotten better lately but still, can you imagine what a ball hawk would do for this defense. For as good as the front 7 is, the Jets have a veritable turnover wise, it's perplexing. The back end of the defense has been really bad this year.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2013, 08:59:34 AM
(http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/tom-brady-fined-slide-kick-ed-reed-patriots-ravens.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on November 14, 2013, 09:04:29 AM
It's the end of his career hes going to want to enjoy it. Nobody goes to new England to have fun
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2013, 09:14:23 AM
2013-11-14 12:41:41 UTC
Ed Reed's options included the Jets (possibly) but not the Patriots, Ravens or Colts. Not sure about Saints. As of late last night.
That's not to say we're going after him. They just haven't ruled it out yet.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 14, 2013, 09:31:33 AM
@mortreport:
2013-11-14 12:41:41 UTC
Ed Reed's options included the Jets (possibly) but not the Patriots, Ravens or Colts. Not sure about Saints. As of late last night.
That's not to say we're going after him. They just haven't ruled it out yet.
As I read the tea leaves in the reports, Rex wants to kick the tires on Reed but Idzick has put the kibosh on it.
Post by: Nessticle on November 14, 2013, 09:50:29 AM
It's clear the secondary is the weakness of the defense, so if Rex is able to get the most out of Reed, that could be pretty huge. It's also possible Rex will overestimate his abilities and let nostalgia and respect cloud his judgements with the type of role he gives Reed.
Bringing in Reed seems like the type of move Tannenbaum would have made in a heartbeat. I think Idzik might be more comfortable going with the safer play. This is all speculation of course, but I think there is a decent argument for either path.
I think that as long as Rex is able to truly recognize what Reed is capable of and makes the appropriate decisions when it comes to playing time and roster management (such as cutting Reed if he doesn't think he provides a real upgrade), I like the idea of giving him a chance on this defense.
Post by: Tommy on November 14, 2013, 09:54:06 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 14, 2013, 10:12:21 AM
Oh and it's Ricky Sapps birthday
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2013, 10:16:01 AM
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on November 14, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2013, 10:23:28 AM
How's this for juicy: Jets and potential new addition Ed Reed play at Baltimore next week.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2013, 10:24:29 AM
You put him in a film room with Dee Milliner and Antonio Allen, and it makes them better players.
I don't think players can become ballhawks. I think it's a rare ability - you don't just find defensive backs with those kind of ball skills. I will say this though, Ed Reed prepares his derriere off to be in those spots to make plays. The difference between him and most defensive backs in the game, is that he capitalized on those mistakes better than just about anybody that ever played the position.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 14, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on November 14, 2013, 10:27:20 AM
This team needs a veteran like him in the defensive backfield.
You put him in a film room with Dee Milliner and Antonio Allen, and it makes them better players.
I don't think players can become ballhawks. I think it's a rare ability - you don't just find defensive backs with those kind of ball skills. I will say this though, Ed Reed prepares his derriere off to be in those spots to make plays. The difference between him and most defensive backs in the game, is that he capitalized on those mistakes better than just about anybody that ever played the position.
THIS! And not just Allen, but even Bush and Rontez (yes, I'm still holding out hope lol).
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2013, 10:28:36 AM
Antonio Allen was a playmaker at the college level and he is the perfect kind of developmental player to learn from Ed Reed.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 14, 2013, 10:32:29 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 14, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
Salas is not going anywhere. My money is on Reuland.
Our TE situation is pretty shaky though. Winslow is a man of glass, so having a third tight end makes plenty of sense.
One of the receivers needs to go if Holmes is back.
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Our TE situation is pretty shaky though. Winslow is a man of glass, so having a third tight end makes plenty of sense.
One of the receivers needs to go if Holmes is back.
Eric Allen @eallenjets 50s
We have released OLB Ricky Sapp.
hahahaha
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 14, 2013, 10:46:23 AM
Post by: JFIF on November 14, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Post by: JFIF on November 14, 2013, 10:47:20 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2013, 11:09:28 AM
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2013, 11:57:49 AM
New York Jets: It isn’t often that Geno Smith makes a quick pass with a release of 1.5 seconds or fewer, but when he does he has been effective. He has completed 12 of 13 passes for 119 yards. His completion percentage of 92.3% is second best in the league, and the yards per completion of 9.9 which is third most in the league.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/12/32-observations-week-10-2/
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2013, 12:00:56 PM
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2013, 12:05:49 PM
So he's still good at throwing screens?Da greatest!
Post by: Johnny English on November 14, 2013, 12:22:20 PM
So he's still good at throwing screens?
One of the most notable changes in the offense this year, IMO. Sanchez was terrible at throwing screen passes.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2013, 12:29:35 PM
One of the most notable changes in the offense this year, IMO. Sanchez was terrible at throwing screen passes.
I don't remember using the wide receiver screen (bubble or tunnel) much with Schottenheimer.
The screen game was better with LaDainian Tomlinson -- a true receiving back -- was here.
Greene is an awful receiver.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 14, 2013, 12:43:34 PM
For Steiny, the Ed Reed signing/Sapp release had to be like getting near full release watching a Jenna Jameson porno and then it cuts out to Oprah at the last second.
Steiny got shouted out by Chris Mortensen on Twitter today. That's the pinnacle of his career right there. I would say he's pretty happy.
Post by: 624 on November 14, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
I don't remember using the wide receiver screen (bubble or tunnel) much with Schottenheimer.
The screen game was better with LaDainian Tomlinson -- a true receiving back -- was here.
Greene is an awful receiver.
We used the WR screen under Schotty it just always sucked.
Post by: JFIF on November 14, 2013, 01:27:03 PM
Steiny got shouted out by Chris Mortensen on Twitter today. That's the pinnacle of his career right there. I would say he's pretty happy.
I imagine Steiny sucks these nobody players dicks and those end up being his sources. Sapp probably was told he was getting cut and then the reason why, and then told Steiny.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 14, 2013, 02:01:27 PM
I imagine Steiny sucks these nobody players dicks and those end up being his sources. Sapp probably was told he was getting cut and then the reason why, and then told Steiny.
You know, I hadn't even thought about it that way, but that actually sounds plausible.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 14, 2013, 02:25:02 PM
You know, I hadn't even thought about it that way, but that actually sounds plausible.
Blowing players or the 2nd part?
Post by: Miamipuck on November 14, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
"My goal is to give all I have." -- new #Jets safety Ed Reed
27m
Seth Walder @SethWalderNYDN
Patriots also were interested in Reed he said. But he knew the system with Gang Green. #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Ed Reed says 2 teams really expressed interest and he heard from a player on another team. #nyj
13m
@BrianCoz: Reed said the Texans were not a good fit #nyj
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73
Reed says he wouldn't be here now if he didn't have something left. #Jets
28m
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73
Reed says playoff possibilities with #Jets was "a huge factor" in picking NY
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI
RT @janesports: Jets ST coordinator Ben Kotwicka says Ed Reed might play some special teams for the Jets. "It's another arrow in the quiver…
5m
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 14, 2013, 02:49:47 PM
Blowing players or the 2nd part?
Yes
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2013, 10:41:06 PM
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/11/youre-tardy-smarty-cromarties-hearty-bacardi-party.html
Good for him.
Post by: Tommy on November 14, 2013, 10:45:26 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 14, 2013, 10:50:07 PM
If you get snipped, do you still cum?
You should guinea pig yourself. I can't picture you having kids anyway. They require selflessness.
Post by: JFIF on November 14, 2013, 10:59:05 PM
If you get snipped, do you still cum?
of course you do, you just shoot blanks
Post by: Tommy on November 14, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
You should guinea pig yourself. I can't picture you having kids anyway. They require selflessness.
Haha. Being a father requires selflessness. Any jerk can have kids.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 14, 2013, 11:17:04 PM
Haha. Being a father requires selflessness. Any jerk can have kids.
Damn it. Way to ruin it by getting all serious.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 14, 2013, 11:23:57 PM
For Steiny, the Ed Reed signing/Sapp release had to be like getting near full release watching a Jenna Jameson porno and then it cuts out to Oprah at the last second.
It isn’t often that Geno Smith makes a quick pass with a release of 1.5 seconds or fewer
Queue Oprah at 1.6 seconds.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 14, 2013, 11:27:49 PM
You should guinea pig yourself. I can't picture you having kids anyway. They require selflessness.
Having a wife requires selflessness too. Am I less selfless for not having a kid?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2013, 04:48:20 AM
Having a wife requires selflessness too. Am I less selfless for not having a kid?Well you did just make the conversation all about yourself.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2013, 06:50:12 AM
Queue Oprah at 1.6 seconds.*Cue
Post by: Miamipuck on November 15, 2013, 07:38:48 AM
*Cue
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/067/1/7/MP__Grammar_Nazi_by_ItaniMajere.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 15, 2013, 08:23:01 AM
If you get snipped, do you still cum?Your splooge goes backwards into your own butthole.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 15, 2013, 10:09:42 AM
If you get snipped, do you still cum?
Of course. It actually makes it even more pleasurable by severing the nerve endings that are associated with pain centers in your brain, leaving only the ones connected to the "reward centers" in your brain.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 15, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
Of course. It actually makes it even more pleasurable by severing the nerve endings that are associated with pain centers in your brain, leaving only the ones connected to the "reward centers" in your brain.
So wait it makes you fap even more?
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
So wait it makes you fap even more?
(http://gifs8.com/wp-content/uploads/1377/845214279fb7284.gif)
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 15, 2013, 10:37:34 AM
But if you get a prostatectomy, you don't shoot anything at all.
People.
So wait it makes you fap even more?
Yes. Try it with Flex-All.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 15, 2013, 10:40:11 AM
People.
Yes. Try it with Flex-All.
If I fap anymore, I would be arrested.
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2013, 01:06:55 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi_Game
Required reading for Jets history.
Post by: reuben on November 17, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
http://nypost.com/2013/11/16/jets-prep-for-bills-with-dave-busters-trip/ (http://nypost.com/2013/11/16/jets-prep-for-bills-with-dave-busters-trip/)
Quote
Jets prep for Bills with Dave & Buster’s trip
According to a source, Rex Ryan canceled the team’s normal pregame offensive and defensive meetings and the team went to “Dave & Buster’s,” the chain arcade/restaurant a few miles from the team’s hotel.
It is highly unusual for a team to skip their preparation the night before a game and could be perceived as a lack of respect for the Bills. Ryan still conducted the full team meeting where he gives his motivational talk, but the team skipped its final game-planning sessions.
Goddammit, Rex: Dave & Buster's sucks. If it had been Applebee's, this team would've kicked some serious derriere today.
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 05:38:25 PM
If they won today everyone would be talking about a great team bonding experience.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 17, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
Yeah I'm sure no one has ever had a team dinner the night before a game.
If they won today everyone would be talking about a great team bonding experience.
But they didn't so they are a total joke.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
Yeah I'm sure no one has ever had a team dinner the night before a game.
If they won today everyone would be talking about a great team bonding experience.
Completely skipping the meetings seems like a dumb freaking moves.
Post by: Johnny English on November 17, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 05:47:17 PM
Completely skipping the meetings seems like a dumb freaking moves.
If you're not prepared by Saturday night it's already too late. I'm sure they made up for that at some point.
It's not like these Saturday night meetings install a game plan our something.
Post by: Tommy on November 17, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 17, 2013, 05:49:20 PM
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 05:52:40 PM
This story proves that it's not something we should just sweep under the rug and ignore.
Let's just pretend that the D&B trip is why they lost the game. If so, what does that have to do with the bye week?
Post by: Tommy on November 17, 2013, 05:56:50 PM
Let's just pretend that the D&B trip is why they lost the game. If so, what does that have to do with the bye week?
It's like those guys who come back to work the day after a weeklong vacation 10lbs overweight and lazy as hell. Maybe he's way too easy on the team during the Bye week, and even with himself. They all lose a step or two, the coaching staff and players. They're definitely connected.
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 05:58:32 PM
It's like those guys who come back to work the day after a weeklong vacation 10lbs overweight and lazy as hell. Maybe he's way too easy on the team during the Bye week, and even with himself. They all lose a step or two, the coaching staff and players. They're definitely connected.
So you're saying if they should implement the bizzy diet on bye weeks?
Post by: Tommy on November 17, 2013, 05:58:49 PM
So you're saying if they should implement the bizzy diet on bye weeks?
Hahahahahahaha
Post by: Libero_2 on November 17, 2013, 06:00:09 PM
We played the bills in 09 and won,
The SB champion Packers in 10 and lost on two fluke InT/fumble things
We lost to Seattle in their house in 2012 a team that was inches from the NFCCG
This year we have a POS QB giving the game away for the third time this season.
If you look at each loss post bye I bet the QB is responsible for at least 2 TOs. It's hard to win games when the QB just gives the ball away. So I guess the question is, do we blame the coaching staff for not getting the QB to protect the ball? Or do we blame the fact the QBs just weren't good, and it's an issue.
I'd bet if you give Rex an elite QB, he probably doesn't have a losing record post bye
Post by: reuben on November 17, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
(http://www.chamberofreviews.com/images/movies/necessary-roughness-1991-08.png)
Worked for the Dillos.
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 06:04:15 PM
Here's the solution for next year: totally eliminate the issue by hiring a team of convicts to prepare for and play against during the bye week.
(http://www.chamberofreviews.com/images/movies/necessary-roughness-1991-08.png)
Worked for the Dillos.
freak that I don't need to see Hernandez light us up for 150 again.
Post by: reuben on November 17, 2013, 06:06:27 PM
freak that I don't need to see Hernandez light us up for 150 again.
Touche. Sam Hurd likely would've torched Cromartie, too.
Post by: reuben on November 17, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2013, 06:09:29 PM
Let's just pretend that the D&B trip is why they lost the game. If so, what does that have to do with the bye week?
Nothing. The team played this way in other weeks as well.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 17, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
FWIW, I just read somewhere that Rex has the longest un-streak in NFL history.
I don't know what that means
Post by: MBGreen on November 17, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
Stephen Hill has 0 catches in the Jets' last 2 games. #nyj
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2013, 06:31:00 PM
I don't know what that meansLongest streak of alternate W-L.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 17, 2013, 06:35:25 PM
Longest streak of alternate W-L.
Yup thats history, I just thoguht that was to start a season, not the record as a whole. But hey at least we have made history
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
It's like those guys who come back to work the day after a weeklong vacation 10lbs overweight and lazy as hell. Maybe he's way too easy on the team during the Bye week, and even with himself. They all lose a step or two, the coaching staff and players. They're definitely connected.
This was the exact same team that showed up to the Titans and Bengals games. No bye weeks before those. The corners looked like excrement and Geno turned the ball over like crazy. There's no mystical connection to vacation days here.
Yes, skipping the offensive and defensive meetings was probably a dumb choice, but that has absolutely dick to do with the time off. Quit riding this horse, it's rotting out from under you.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 28m
Stephen Hill has 0 catches in the Jets' last 2 games. #nyj
Wasn't from lack of trying today. Geno targeted him at least 3-4 times and they were all horrible passes.
Post by: hawk on November 17, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 28m
Stephen Hill has 0 catches in the Jets' last 2 games. #nyj
Yeah, If Hill could make a play on any of those ball that were thrown over his head and out of bounds.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 17, 2013, 06:54:24 PM
Yeah, If Hill could make a play on any of those ball that were thrown over his head and out of bounds.
He clearly has been left out of the gameplay lately, today he was targeted finally, but Geno didn't get a pass within a mile of him
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 06:55:20 PM
Post by: hawk on November 17, 2013, 07:00:56 PM
He clearly has been left out of the gameplay lately, today he was targeted finally, but Geno didn't get a pass within a mile of him
We don't know what the game plan is. Smith is so late on throws, that we just don't know if he is missing opportunities. Maybe someone that has game rewind with coach's tape can check it out.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 17, 2013, 07:03:27 PM
We don't know what the game plan is. Smith is so late on throws, that we just don't know if he is missing opportunities. Maybe someone that has game rewind with coach's tape can check it out.
I was talking about going back to the game after the Tennesee one where Smith nearly got Hill killed (but did get him concussed) Hill has barely been targeted more than a time or two per game. Plus as you said Geno is late, missing reads and missing throws. He's been awful, and it's killing Hills chances of developing.
Post by: JFIF on November 17, 2013, 07:05:22 PM
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2013, 07:08:05 PM
I'm still pissed about that retarded special teams penalty. The game spiraled out of control after that point
Leger Douzable wasn't prepared not to be a dumbfuck on that play.
Post by: JFIF on November 17, 2013, 07:12:08 PM
The defense looked lowsy in all those games, particularly the secondary. Pass protection has also not been good. It was awful today.
The way we're built, games can spiral out of control quickly. We don't have an elite secondary, our pass protection fluctuates and we have limited weapons with a rookie QB. If we don't play with the lead or keep it close , we're basically fucked.
Post by: hawk on November 17, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
The team sucked as a whole. As previously mentioned, this is the same type of performance we had in Tennessee and cinci (also road games , FYI). All those losses had a lot to them then just shitty quarterback play.
The defense looked lowsy in all those games, particularly the secondary. Pass protection has also not been good. It was awful today.
The way we're built, games can spiral out of control quickly. We don't have an elite secondary, our pass protection fluctuates and we have limited weapons with a rookie QB. If we don't play with the lead or keep it close , we're basically fucked.
You can't blame the offensive line today. The quarterback drops were quite shallow which tells me they were suppose to be quick passes. Smith held onto the ball far to long, far to many times today. The game Smith played today was pitiful on every level.
I don't know what we have in Simms, but what I do know is he has a much quicker release than Smith. Simms also appears to go through his progressions quickly. However, Simms should have been picked off today, so perhaps his decision making is worse than Smith's. ?? ?? ??
Post by: reuben on November 17, 2013, 07:23:55 PM
I once heard it said that long runs (20 yards plus) only happen with excellent wide receiver blocking. That might be an oversimplification, but if you watch the replays on nfl.com or wherever, you'll see Stephen Hill blocking his man into oblivion on just about every big run we've had this season.
Zero catches in the month of November sucks any way you slice it, but I do appreciate the blocking.
Post by: hawk on November 17, 2013, 07:27:19 PM
In defense of Stephen Hill...
I once heard it said that long runs (20 yards plus) only happen with excellent wide receiver blocking. That might be an oversimplification, but if you watch the replays on nfl.com or wherever, you'll see Stephen Hill blocking his man into oblivion on just about every big run we've had this season.
Zero catches in the month of November sucks any way you slice it, but I do appreciate the blocking.
I still believe there is top tier potential in Hill. Give him a QB that can throw to him first.
Post by: 624 on November 17, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
I still believe there is top tier potential in Hill. Give him a QB that can throw to him first.
I don't see the ball skills for top tier potential, but definitely second tier.
Post by: reuben on November 17, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
You can't blame the offensive line today.
Actually, you can blame every single player on offense today, except maybe Jeremy Kerley.
Actually, scratch that- freak you Kerley, we needed you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
In defense of Stephen Hill...
I once heard it said that long runs (20 yards plus) only happen with excellent wide receiver blocking. That might be an oversimplification, but if you watch the replays on nfl.com or wherever, you'll see Stephen Hill blocking his man into oblivion on just about every big run we've had this season.
Zero catches in the month of November sucks any way you slice it, but I do appreciate the blocking.
Hill hasn't been getting many good looks this season and the inconsistent play at QB is a huge part of the problem.
Geno is looking exactly like Sanchez last season. He's not ready.
Post by: NDMick on November 17, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 17, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
I was never high on Hill. He's leaving little to be desired. One catch in 4 games in this era of the NFL is easy to do when you play the majority of the snaps. He's not getting it done.
Smith missed him at least three times today horribly.
Post by: MoreCharacters on November 17, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
No chance that's stunting his growth at all?
Post by: NDMick on November 17, 2013, 11:19:24 PM
Smith missed him at least three times today horribly.
Maybe Matt Simms can connect with him then.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 17, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
Why does Geno get so much leeway for not having weapons to help him out while a raw development project at WR gets no credit for playing with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith?
No chance that's stunting his growth at all?
Look what happened to Demaryius Thomas out in Denver when Peyton Manning showed up...
Post by: MoreCharacters on November 18, 2013, 12:33:17 AM
what you guys think?
Post by: hawk on November 18, 2013, 01:58:00 AM
that gives me a great idea lets get an awesome qb
what you guys think?
Why would we need that?
Post by: Miamipuck on November 18, 2013, 07:59:14 AM
that gives me a great idea lets get an awesome qb
what you guys think?
Geez I thought I was asking too much by just wanting to see mediocre QB play.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2013, 08:01:23 AM
Geez I thought I was asking too much by just wanting to see mediocre QB play.you'll get a shitty one and like it!
Post by: Miamipuck on November 18, 2013, 08:04:01 AM
you'll get a shitty one and like it!
I have to disagree with the last part.
Post by: Tommy on November 18, 2013, 08:08:22 AM
that gives me a great idea lets get an awesome qb
what you guys think?
I mean, it's so easy. All we have to do is draft any one of the top prospects in the 2014, and we'll be set forever.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 18, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
I mean, it's so easy. All we have to do is draft any one of the top prospects in the 2014, and we'll be set forever.
Technically, this is mostly right.
Post by: Tommy on November 18, 2013, 10:49:57 AM
Technically, this is mostly right.
I'd rather the Jets take a chance than look back years from now as the 2014 QBs duke it out in the playoffs consistently.
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2013, 08:20:29 AM
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http://imgur.com/a/UdI5t
Post by: Johnny English on November 19, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 19, 2013, 08:35:10 AM
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Decline of Mangold
It’s always sad when elite players look to have lost a step. Nick Mangold (-3.0) has missed some blocks in the run game that he’d have never missed last year. After grading as our sixth-best center in 2012, he’s slipped to fourth-worst, particularly struggling in the run game. And, while his pass protection has actually improved (+3.0 allowing only a hit and 11 hurries), he still graded negatively in that aspect of his play in this game. He allowed two hurries on 35 drop-backs with the low point coming with 5:24 to play in the third quarter when Marcel Dareus beat him to his left for a quick pressure.
In the run game he allowed a pair of tackles around the line of scrimmage and would have given up another but for a missed tackle by Alan Branch. Dareus really manhandled Mangold with 1:05 to play in the second quarter when he was able to shed him on a run to the right and make the tackle after a gain of just a yard. The All-Pro has now graded in the red (-1.0 or worse) in six of 10 games.
Post by: JFIF on November 19, 2013, 10:33:34 AM
Damn you Geno! Why can't you cover better?
Post by: Tommy on November 19, 2013, 10:34:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 10:41:13 AM
@PFF_Gonzalo: In the last 3 games, the #Jets were targeted deep in 15.6% of the throws, allowed 383 yards in 9 catches with an Accuracy % of 76.5%.
Damn you Geno! Why can't you cover better?
That's on Rex Ryan, and he even admitted that it was stupid to put the corners on an island.
Milliner needs safety help over the top.
You keep acting like everyone is blaming only Geno for this team's problems. He isn't the only problem, just the biggest one.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 19, 2013, 11:17:28 AM
That's on Rex Ryan, and he even admitted that it was stupid to put the corners on an island.
Milliner needs safety help over the top.
You keep acting like everyone is blaming only Geno for this team's problems. He isn't the only problem, just the biggest one.
Don't make legitimate arguments!
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 19, 2013, 11:29:39 AM
Post by: 624 on November 19, 2013, 11:29:43 AM
From PFF:
Playing next to two new guards probably doesn't help him.
He's clearly not the unanimous #1 center in the league any more, but he's better than his numbers still.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 19, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
Playing next to two new guards probably doesn't help him.
He's clearly not the unanimous #1 center in the league any more, but he's better than his numbers still.
The Oline is the sum of it's parts more so than any other unit, maybe in all of sports. So there is something to be said for both Mangold/Brick covering for the poor guard play.
That said, all of them, save for Howard, are having bad years in one form or another. Mangold hasn't been the same player since his bad shoulder injury. Shoulder injuries are the kiss of death for linemen, they're more difficult to overcome than leg injuries. Knowing Brick/Mangold who knows how dinged up they're, both need to be shot to miss any time.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Wilkerson took shots at them last week and Pace fired some more.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 06:08:45 PM
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Blockbuster Trade -
Coples, Sanchez, Geno, Milliner and Wilson for the #1 pick in the 2014 draft
Draft a QB
Thoughts?
My god...
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2013, 06:10:16 PM
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
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Post by: reuben on November 19, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
I was just thinking about this in a different thread, and I have no idea if it adds up, but regarding Puck's post of PFF's take on Mangold: could part of the problem be a lack of respect for our passing game allowing defenders to cheat against the run?
My take: Brandon Moore was the most underrated player in Jets history, at every stage of his career.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 19, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
So trading everything we don't want for something somebody (Jax) really really really wants. Yeah I totally buy that. Also way to set the freaking defense back giving up Coples and Milliner. Dumbass
Post by: 624 on November 19, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
Who says no?
Post by: dcm1602 on November 19, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
Wasnt there someone on here who wanted us to trade up for a QB, and do whatever it takes
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
Wasnt there someone on here who wanted us to trade up for a QB, and do whatever it takes
I wouldn't mind trading up for a quarterback.
I just think that trade offer proposed is literally one of the most retarded things I've ever seen.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 19, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
I wouldn't mind trading up for a quarterback.
I just think that trade offer proposed is literally one of the most retarded things I've ever seen.
Our offense is completely devoid of weapons.
And our defense has plenty of holes.
Trading up is freaking retarded straight up.
If were talking about giving up a 3rd to jump up 2-3 spots in front of a team that were worried about grabbing our QB, fine.
But usually trading up for franchise QBs isnt that cheap, and id rather see us load up the roster with at least 2 new WRs and 2 new TEs before throwing out multiple early picks on another QB that will almost certainly bust.
Post by: Pope on November 19, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
I think this QB draft class is very overrated. Best all around prospect is Bridgewater. After that.. meh.
hahahahaha
Post by: Pope on November 19, 2013, 08:42:39 PM
hahahahahaAJ McCarron sucks
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 08:48:46 PM
AJ McCarron sucks
Furlong'd
Post by: Pope on November 19, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
Furlong'dAs far as im concerned the guy has two things going for him: mechanics and his mobility. Everything else is pretty average at best. He may run a 'pro-style' offense but three quarters of his throws are to the flat or to the tailback on a bootleg.
He's a good fit for a West Coast offense but no way do I see him as a franchise/top-flight QB. I understand you've got a crush on him now so you'll parade him around and try and sell the sheep on AJ as #1 option at QB in 2014.
He's a third rounder who will probably sneak into the second after an Alabama championship bid.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
his mobility.
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Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 09:24:53 PM
He may run a 'pro-style' offense but three quarters of his throws are to the flat or to the tailback on a bootleg.
Shame on him for playing within the offense.
The dude has 177 completions and 33 of them are two his running backs. But please tell me more about how 75% of his throws are to his backs.
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He's a good fit for a West Coast offense but no way do I see him as a franchise/top-flight QB. I understand you've got a crush on him now so you'll parade him around and try and sell the sheep on AJ as #1 option at QB in 2014.
He's a great fit in the West Coast offense, and it's fine that you don't see him as a franchise quarterback.
You compared Cam Newton to Brad Smith after watching him play one game. How many times have you see AJ McCarron play?
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He's a third rounder who will probably sneak into the second after an Alabama championship bid.
Another championship bid*
This will be his third ring if Alabama gets there and wins again.
Post by: Pope on November 19, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 09:28:46 PM
Mobility in the sense that he has good footwork, throws well on the run, and is quick to move in and out of the pocket. The same way Sanchez had good mobility. He was never known as a running QB but had the ability to escape pressure and go upfield (when not sacked bc of his terrible awareness of pressure)
So, he has great mechanics and pocket presence.
Then there's the elite short and intermediate accuracy, the elite decision making, the elite ability to perform in the clutch, and elite intangibles.
He doesn't have a great arm, but that's the only thing that he lacks if you're looking at him as a pocket passing prospect.
Post by: Pope on November 19, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Shame on him for playing within the offense.
The dude has 177 completions and 33 of them are two his running backs. But please tell me more about how 75% of his throws are to his backs.
Wrong.. I said 75% of his throws are to the flat OR to underneath routes and checkdowns to the RB/TE on a bootleg. He rarely throws downfield.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 09:31:50 PM
Wrong.. I said 75% of his throws are to the flat OR to underneath routes and checkdowns to the RB/TE on a bootleg. He rarely throws downfield.
Still wrong. Alabama tight ends have 20 total receptions.
And this is what you said:
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but three quarters of his throws are to the flat or to the tailback on a bootleg.
I ask again: how many times have you see him play?
Post by: Pope on November 19, 2013, 09:39:42 PM
Still wrong. Alabama tight ends have 20 total receptions.When I say throwing to the flats do you understand what that means?
And this is what you said:
I ask again: how many times have you see him play?
2012:
LSU
A&M
Georgia
ND (BCSCG)
2013:
VaTech
A&M
LSU
MissSt
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
When I say throwing to the flats do you understand what that means?
...
Post by: Tommy on November 19, 2013, 10:06:24 PM
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2013, 10:07:43 PM
I'm not sure what it means either. Please explain. Thanks.
It's when you go out in the salt flats of eastern New Mexico and throw the ball to your receivers.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 20, 2013, 07:02:21 AM
It's when you go out in the salt flats of eastern New Mexico and throw the ball to your receivers.
No, it's when you throw the ball towards English one floor apartments.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 20, 2013, 07:21:25 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 20, 2013, 09:23:41 AM
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/11/19/5121844/i-stand-with-geno-smith
Post by: Heismanberg on November 20, 2013, 09:27:33 AM
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Simply put, Smith is putting up better statistics
False.
Scott Salmon doesn't want to be wrong about Geno Smith.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 20, 2013, 09:29:41 AM
Post by: Nessticle on November 20, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
Comparing Sanchez's first year with Geno's:
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/11/19/5121844/i-stand-with-geno-smith
Looking at the names on our offensive line that year depresses me. You don't get opportunities like that often. I realize Sanchez didn't lose us games in the playoffs really, but outside of QB that was a SB caliber team. Curse our luck with QBs...
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2013, 09:42:22 AM
False.
Scott Salmon doesn't want to be wrong about Geno Smith.
Speaking of not wanting to be wrong, I wonder if Anthony Becht still thinks the Giants preseason game was a positive display of good signs for Smith.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 20, 2013, 09:43:14 AM
Speaking of not wanting to be wrong, I wonder if Anthony Becht still thinks the Giants preseason game was a positive display of good signs for Smith.
"He went to West Virginia, so he is the best"
Actual Becht quote:
"Geno Smith's performance was one of most accurate I've seen a QB in NY since Chad Pennington"
16/30 for 199 yards with 1 TD and 3 INTs
Post by: Libero_2 on November 21, 2013, 04:28:03 AM
That entire conclusion section just pissed me off.
That is such BS, total trash as a concluding paragraph
Post by: Libero_2 on November 21, 2013, 04:28:34 AM
"He went to West Virginia, so he is the best"
Actual Becht quote:
"Geno Smith's performance was one of most accurate I've seen a QB in NY since Chad Pennington"
16/30 for 199 yards with 1 TD and 3 INTs
What was that the Pats game week 2? Because freak that excrement
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 21, 2013, 04:55:08 AM
What was that the Pats game week 2? Because freak that excrement
Preseason Week 3 vs the Giants. freak that excrement as well.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 21, 2013, 05:16:44 AM
Preseason Week 3 vs the Giants. freak that excrement as well.
Preseason Week 3 vs the Giants. freak that excrement as well.
Oh god that's even worse to say excrement like that after a freaking preseason game in which the giants played vanilla defense and he still threw 3 InTs.
freak Bechts retardation with that one.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 21, 2013, 10:56:28 AM
The receivers haven't turned on him yet though. According to Manish, the WRs decided as a group to approach Smith this week and tell him they've got his back and they took some responsibility for the poor passing game.
I'm starting to worry that this is turning into a locker room at war again. And they can't blame Holmes this time.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 21, 2013, 01:45:19 PM
Heismanberg mentioned the front 7 turning on the secondary and I noticed that too. I also noticed the defense turning on Smith. Pace actually compared Geno to Sanchez.
The receivers haven't turned on him yet though. According to Manish, the WRs decided as a group to approach Smith this week and tell him they've got his back and they took some responsibility for the poor passing game.
I'm starting to worry that this is turning into a locker room at war again. And they can't blame Holmes this time.
Holmes seems to be behind Smith. He's always near him on the sidelines. Things could be a lot worse. He's the only receiver good enough to call Smith out, and I doubt he will.
If the defense turns on Smith, that's on Rex Ryan.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 21, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Holmes seems to be behind Smith. He's always near him on the sidelines. Things could be a lot worse. He's the only receiver good enough to call Smith out, and I doubt he will.
If the defense turns on Smith, that's on Rex Ryan.
I don't disagree with any of that. Still, I'd be pissed off if I were on defense playing my derriere off every week just to watch this kid throw balls to the wrong jersey repeatedly. The Jets have the second-most opposing drives starting within their own 35 in the league. The best units are going to surrender points with that short a field.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 21, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
I don't disagree with any of that. Still, I'd be pissed off if I were on defense playing my derriere off every week just to watch this kid throw balls to the wrong jersey repeatedly. The Jets have the second-most opposing drives starting within their own 35 in the league. The best units are going to surrender points with that short a field.
I've made multiple comments about how it must feel for our defense...they don't have much of a shot in must situations Smith puts them in.
But Ryan (and Idzik) can't let these players make comments like this to the media. It's a way to stir up trouble again. This season has a great chance at ending in a disappointing fashion. We don't need another Hunter-Holmes type situation.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2013, 10:22:36 AM
I've made multiple comments about how it must feel for our defense...they don't have much of a shot in must situations Smith puts them in.
But Ryan (and Idzik) can't let these players make comments like this to the media. It's a way to stir up trouble again. This season has a great chance at ending in a disappointing fashion. We don't need another Hunter-Holmes type situation.
I know this is a delayed response, but this is a very good point. This could spin wildly out of control if it isn't reined in quickly. The media is just salivating, waiting for a chance to twist the knife again.
Who knows? Rex said Geno threw the ball better in practice yesterday, so maybe he'll improve and we can stop worrying anyway. Sometimes it just sucks being a Jets fan when all you have to rely on is blind hope.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 22, 2013, 04:42:25 PM
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Post by: Badger on November 23, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
Post by: reuben on November 24, 2013, 03:09:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WtVQ86L.jpg)
Should have been a no-brainer to put this in:
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Post by: Miamipuck on November 25, 2013, 08:42:26 AM
Rankings of every line in the NFL-https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/20/ranking-the-2013-offensive-lines-second-quarter/ (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/20/ranking-the-2013-offensive-lines-second-quarter/)
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27. New York Jets: -33.4 (25)
Stud: It’s hard to pick on a line that hasn’t coped with teams keying in on it’s run game. At least Austin Howard (+5.7) has handled his business in pass protection.
Dud: The left guard spot has proved to be a problem all year. Brian Winters (-13.1) has struggled with four negative grades on the bounce.
Summary: This line used to be the best in the business. It’s not now. They do a good job of giving their quarterback time, but they don’t do a good job of opening up the kind of running lanes their backs need on a consistent basis.
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2013, 08:54:13 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 25, 2013, 09:23:31 AM
I actually thought they've done a better job of opening up running lanes as opposed to giving the QB time.
Same
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 25, 2013, 10:39:37 AM
Post by: ons on November 25, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
I haven't noticed most of our starting O-Line getting beat on one-on-one moves. It's been a lot of coverage pressure or having unblocked blitzers.
I feel like our run blocking also doesn't usually give up penetration but we also don't get any second level blocks or drive the D-Line off the ball.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 25, 2013, 11:49:49 AM
Is it poor line adjustments by Geno?
Poor alignment recognition by Geno?
Holding onto the ball too long?
Sub par play by the line?
Stacking the box because the defense is no longer worried about the putrid air attack?
WR's can't get seperation?
RB's not utilized enough as a check down option?
Staring down WR's?
Poor game plan?
Not enough Talent?
Skill players can't catch the ball?
I say it's all of these and more.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2013, 11:57:12 AM
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2013, 01:00:30 PM
I won't knock the line until the QB and receivers do at least a reasonable job of forcing defenses to not load 8+ in the box.
That's a good point. Until they can make a team pay for it, they can keep overloading the box.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2013, 01:22:32 PM
That's a good point. Until they can make a team pay for it, they can keep overloading the box.
It's the old Chad P defense. If they don't respect your air attack and you don't prove them wrong, they'll attack the only thing that used to work and stop that too.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
That's a good point. Until they can make a team pay for it, they can keep overloading the box.
Agreed. When they do, they force Geno to roll out to his right and run out of bounds for a loss. Heaven forbid he ever throw the ball away.
Post by: reuben on November 26, 2013, 09:16:42 AM
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It's early in the process for deciding who's heading to the Pro Bowl, but four Jets are in the top 10 at their respective positions with voting numbers released this week.
Four-time Pro Bowler Nick Mangold has received 98,448 votes so far, good for third among centers (Seahawks C Max Unger leads the way with 112,168 votes).
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/11/four_jets_including_muhammad_wilkerson_on_pro_bowl_voting_list.html (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/11/four_jets_including_muhammad_wilkerson_on_pro_bowl_voting_list.html)
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2013, 09:23:35 AM
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@jayfeely: I feel same way about some sports writers RT @BobGlauber Geno Smith should get the start, but if he struggles again, he should get the hook
Post by: reuben on November 26, 2013, 09:27:02 AM
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"This year’s Pro Bowl will not have AFC and NFC teams. It's the first-ever 'unconferenced' games. The two squads of mixed players will be selected on Jan. 22," Raanan wrote.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 26, 2013, 09:31:33 AM
I did not know this. From the article I linked before:
We could see Mangold vs. Wilkerson
I think the two coaches will have a draft
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 09:35:41 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2013, 09:52:22 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 10:11:47 AM
Post by: 624 on November 26, 2013, 10:16:54 AM
The biggest problem with the Pro Bowl is the timing of it. The only people who give a excrement about football by that point are the players and fans of two teams.
12.2 million watched it last year.
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 10:18:20 AM
It's a high injury rate sport which is much less entertaining when there's no physicality. So the players aren't gonna go balls to the wall, risk injury or possibly their career and as a result the product sucks.
In baseball and basketball it doesn't really matter....even though you may not see the hustle defensively, it doesn't have a negative impact on the overall entertainment value.
Not to mention how many guys end up declining the pro bowl due to injury or because they're still in the playoffs...when the players don't really give a excrement, the fans aren't either.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
Sanchez spoke for 10 minutes, says he absolutely wants to remain a Jet in 2014. Post-surgery rehab is 4-6 months. #Jets
freak off, Sanchez.
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
12.2 million watched it last year.
So about half as many people as watch football on a regular Sunday, despite the fact that it features most of the best players in the league.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 10:23:44 AM
Post by: 624 on November 26, 2013, 10:24:44 AM
So about half as many people as watch football on a regular Sunday, despite the fact that it features most of the best players in the league.
Obviously it's going to be a shitty product for big-time fans like us, but enough people watch it to warrant keeping it around.
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 10:24:49 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 10:27:03 AM
Obviously it's going to be a shitty product for big-time fans like us, but enough people watch it to warrant keeping it around.
They're obviously making enough money off the game to warrant keeping it around. It may not be much, but as long as it's a decent profit they'll keep doing it.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2013, 10:31:44 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2013, 11:08:43 AM
It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Unless Sanchez has a magical awakening that turns him into not-Sanchez, there's not really a reason for the Jets to bring him back.
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 11:09:38 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2013, 11:18:49 AM
I really think you all need to stop talking about Jay Cutler. It's not going to happen.
In all honesty, I'm more using Cutler as a placeholder. Obviously, Cutler is my first choice, but there are other options. McCown is someone Heismanberg has brought up. It may be less likely now that RG3 is struggling, but trading for Cousins is another option. As much as I wouldn't be happy about it, Vick is yet another.
What I'm basically saying is that there is a choice to be made: acquire a capable QB via FA or trade, or finally go into true rebuild mode with Geno, Simms, and a draft pick.
I personally prefer going all-in now while this defensive front is young. The money will be there next year sans Holmes and Sanchez.
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
I really think you all need to stop talking about Jay Cutler. It's not going to happen.
Agreed.
Idzik is not a guy who goes out and spends 14 mil on a QB in free agency.
He's going to stick to his plan...draft, build the team progressively and resign his successful picks early.
I don't think Idzik is surprised Geno is sucking right now. He knows he inherited a dogshit offense.....which is why he's not quick to pull the plug on him yet. He's gonna spend incremental amounts in FA to fill the many holes we have, but i wouldn't be surprised if we still have a very large chunk of cap space over. I don't see Idzik as a guy who goes crazy in FA till AFTER he has most of the holes filled. Like the Seahawks did this past year with Avril and Harvin
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 11:23:29 AM
In all honesty, I'm more using Cutler as a placeholder. Obviously, Cutler is my first choice, but there are other options. McCown is someone Heismanberg has brought up. It may be less likely now that RG3 is struggling, but trading for Cousins is another option. As much as I wouldn't be happy about it, Vick is yet another.
What I'm basically saying is that there is a choice to be made: acquire a capable QB via FA or trade, or finally go into true rebuild mode with Geno, Simms, and a draft pick.
I personally prefer going all-in now while this defensive front is young. The money will be there next year sans Holmes and Sanchez.
OK, but Vick or McCown are very different propositions to Cutler or Cousins. The former two would probably expect to be backups at this point in their careers, whereas Cutler and Cousins are unlikely to want to go anywhere they're not going to start. I think you need to determine your preferred strategy - "anyone but Geno or Sanchez" is a reasonable desire but not an actual strategy.
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Agreed.
Idzik is not a guy who goes out and spends 14 mil on a QB in free agency.
He's going to stick to his plan...draft, build the team progressively and resign his successful picks early.
I don't think Idzik is surprised Geno is sucking right now. He knows he inherited a dogshit offense.....which is why he's not quick to pull the plug on him yet. He's gonna spend incremental amounts in FA to fill the many holes we have, but i wouldn't be surprised if we still have a very large chunk of cap space over. I don't see Idzik as a guy who goes crazy in FA till AFTER he has most of the holes filled. Like the Seahawks did this past year with Avril and Harvin
You do know that Seattle wasn't Idzik's strategy, right? He was a senior administrator who negotiated contracts and oversaw the department that booked the players' flights and hotels.
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 11:34:03 AM
You do know that Seattle wasn't Idzik's strategy, right? He was a senior administrator who negotiated contracts and oversaw the department that booked the players' flights and hotels.
Oh, that's all he did right?
It doesn't matter if he wasn't the central figure there. He worked within the organization and along side those guys for a long time and they created an extremely successful blueprint that is conducive to sustainable winning. He's already adopting some of the similar approaches the Seahawks have used in the past few years.
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 11:36:39 AM
Oh, that's all he did right?
It doesn't matter if he wasn't the central figure there. He worked within the organization and along side those guys for a long time and they created an extremely successful blueprint that is conducive to sustainable winning. He's already adopting some of the similar approaches the Seahawks have used in the past few years.
Signing excrement free agents and drafting bad quarterbacks?
Post by: ons on November 26, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
You do know that Seattle wasn't Idzik's strategy, right? He was a senior administrator who negotiated contracts and oversaw the department that booked the players' flights and hotels.
From a Seahawks site before he was hired by the Jets:
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In addition to all this coaching carousel talk, Seattle stands to lose a central figure in their front office, VP of Football Operations, John Idzik, as he interviews with the Jets for their vacant GM position for a 2nd time today. Idzik, from what I understand, has been an integral piece of Seattle's rebuild and the man behind the salary cap management over the past few years.
And then after he was hired:
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The Seahawks lose a key member of their front office with this hire, and the main figure behind Seattle's excellently-structured and forward looking salary cap.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 12:14:41 PM
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2013, 12:16:29 PM
I think you need to determine your preferred strategy - "anyone but Geno or Sanchez" is a reasonable desire but not an actual strategy.
Signing excrement free agents and drafting bad quarterbacks?
"Anyone but who we signed/drafted!"
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
OK, but Vick or McCown are very different propositions to Cutler or Cousins. The former two would probably expect to be backups at this point in their careers, whereas Cutler and Cousins are unlikely to want to go anywhere they're not going to start. I think you need to determine your preferred strategy - "anyone but Geno or Sanchez" is a reasonable desire but not an actual strategy.
Vick would be an immediate upgrade to the offense due to the familiarity with Marty's system. McCown isn't performing too shabbily. Cutler or Cousins would start here.
Again, the choice has to be made between two options. Either you bring in a QB who you are certain is a starter and make an immediate run while Geno or whomever you draft sits, or you suck it up and let Geno go down the same path as Sanchez while you groom a draftee as Geno gets pummeled and Rex loses the locker room.
Either one is a viable option for Idzik and the organization. Only one of them works out for Rex though. Coincidentally, the Rex option is the only way that is kind to the fans, especially the ticket holders.
Personally, I don't know which option is better from my standpoint. I know I would certainly like to see this team win already.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
(http://www.hyphenmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/feature/magazine/issue-8-re-emerge/my-little-china-doll/8ftte.dolls_chinese_opt.jpeg)
Michael Vick after he signs with the Jets:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbDl3sfVWhHWmEREfSzPAM2NZphXRsphqEX-NDOaDP1SsgHp3z)
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2013, 01:04:41 PM
Post by: reuben on November 26, 2013, 01:06:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VThkH.jpg)
Gets me every time...
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2013, 01:16:37 PM
From a Seahawks site before he was hired by the Jets:
And then after he was hired:
I have yet to see an official statement from any sports team that says, "Joe Bloggs is moving on to such and such a team. No moves will be made to replace him as he has spent the last four years reading Facebook, applying for other jobs and playing golf three times a week, and as such won't be missed."
Post by: ons on November 26, 2013, 01:32:17 PM
I have yet to see an official statement from any sports team that says, "Joe Bloggs is moving on to such and such a team. No moves will be made to replace him as he has spent the last four years reading Facebook, applying for other jobs and playing golf three times a week, and as such won't be missed."
You just hate him cause he coached in Scotland.
Post by: Pope on November 26, 2013, 01:44:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VThkH.jpg)
Oh excrement I think I photoshopped that back on TGG
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 01:46:12 PM
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2013, 01:58:50 PM
Oh excrement I think I photoshopped that back on TGGhttp://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=67389
Apparently it was James Calvin.
Post by: Pope on November 26, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VThkH.jpg)
a beauty.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Nm I could have sworn that was me
And this whole time I thought that I did it. excrement.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2013, 02:13:05 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 26, 2013, 02:15:48 PM
Post by: Pope on November 26, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
Post by: Nessticle on November 26, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2013, 02:31:04 PM
I'd like to believe that bringing in a proven vet at QB and signing a WR or two could make this offense watchable again. Hopefully Brick and Mangold can get healthy and get back to playing at a high level, and Winters will develop as well. I'm 100% on board with using our 1st round pick on a QB next year if one is there that we really like (even trading up if needed), and I don't think that should necessarily preclude us from signing a vet as well. It really depends what we would have to spend. You hate to see us get right back into a shitty cap situation, but QB is the position where it is worth taking that risk.
Totally agree. If you're going to break the bank anywhere it shouldn't be for linebackers or cornerbacks. The one spot that you make the big spalsh if you can afford it is at QB.
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 02:40:28 PM
The one spot that you make the big spalsh if you can afford it is at QB.
I'm not sure how you can say that when it never actually happens, sans Peyton Manning's bizarro situation.
Franchise QBs never hit the open market. It just doesn't happen. Chicago will franchise Cutler and trade him if they don't see him as a long term answer. They won't get stuck without real compensation.
Drew Brees is the only other example and that was because there was major concerns about his throwing shoulder. Every other legit QB in the league has either been drafted or acquired via trade. You don't get franchise QBs in free agency
Post by: Pope on November 26, 2013, 02:45:27 PM
I'm not sure how you can say that when it never actually happens, sans Peyton Manning's bizarro situation.
Franchise QBs never hit the open market. It just doesn't happen. Chicago will franchise Cutler and trade him if they don't see him as a long term answer. They won't get stuck without real compensation.
Drew Brees is the only other example and that was because there was major concerns about his throwing shoulder. Every other legit QB in the league has either been drafted or acquired via trade. You don't get franchise QBs in free agency
freak you I do it in Madden all the time
Post by: JFIF on November 26, 2013, 02:48:16 PM
freak you I do it in Madden all the time
You and JE
Post by: Nessticle on November 26, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
I'm not sure how you can say that when it never actually happens, sans Peyton Manning's bizarro situation.
Franchise QBs never hit the open market. It just doesn't happen. Chicago will franchise Cutler and trade him if they don't see him as a long term answer. They won't get stuck without real compensation.
Drew Brees is the only other example and that was because there was major concerns about his throwing shoulder. Every other legit QB in the league has either been drafted or acquired via trade. You don't get franchise QBs in free agency
I don't necessarily mean a superstar, just someone who has started and this league and shown some competency to run a west coast offense. Granted, there aren't even that many of these out there, but you need a backup plan at this position if your draft picks don't pan out.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 26, 2013, 02:58:29 PM
No I think I did make it actually. JC only cropped and resized my original work IIRC from the ESPN thread
soxx says he came up with the idea
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2013, 02:59:33 PM
You and JE
To be fair to Madden, there is a salary cap there, and players have to be available in order for you to sign them.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 26, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
I hope Trestman gets overconfident in his scheme and drafts a QB.
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2013, 03:32:53 PM
Post by: ons on November 27, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 27, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
And I don't want to go, you know, there.
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2013, 12:25:35 PM
Do we have a ticket forum in here? I'm looking for one ticket to the Cleveland game December 22. I know StubHub, etc, but figured if a real fan was looking to unload one I'd try here first.
And I don't want to go, you know, there.
No, but feel free to post a new thread about it. We don't have a limit on the number of threads posted or who can post them.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 27, 2013, 12:58:26 PM
No, but feel free to post a new thread about it. We don't have a limit on the number of threads posted or who can post them.
Will do, thanks.
Post by: Badger on November 28, 2013, 08:33:31 AM
Post by: reuben on November 29, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
No flag, huh?
Post by: dcm1602 on November 29, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2013, 09:56:34 AM
Jets are 30th in total offense and 12th in total defense #nyj
Post by: reuben on December 02, 2013, 11:02:54 AM
It made me smile.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis)
Post by: Badger on December 02, 2013, 11:04:22 AM
Anybody see the highlight of Ted Ginn burning Darrelle Revis?
It made me smile.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis)
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2013, 11:22:32 AM
Anybody see the highlight of Ted Ginn burning Darrelle Revis?
It made me smile.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis)
I saw that and laughed for a good 5 minutes.
Post by: reuben on December 04, 2013, 01:33:51 PM
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Santonio Holmes (hamstring) was limited in practice Wednesday.
Holmes played just three snaps last week against the Dolphins. Coach Rex Ryan said Holmes lacked burst and was only going to play in "must" situations last Sunday. Holmes' role for Week 14 is uncertain. Couple that with poor quarterback play, and we have a guy that isn't worth a fantasy roster spot.
Same excrement, different week.
I really hope that the reason Rex Ryan has treated this crystal prima donna with kid gloves during his entire tenure is because he plans to take him with him wherever he coaches next.
I genuinely can't think of any other reason for a defense-minded coach to dote so pitifully over a raging hoo-ha wide receiver, other than the private exchange of sexual favors.
"Awww, Santonio got pulled during the game, and screamed at his teammates and threw the quarterback under the bus? Awww, gee whiz, I wasn't lookin'. Alls I know is Tone Time and what not and *slurp* *slurp* *gag*"
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 01:35:49 PM
I'm sick of this guy.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 04, 2013, 01:36:22 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 04, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
Ryan gave this draft class an A+...
I'm sick of this guy.
What are you talking about?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
What are you talking about?
KMart_LI: "If this isn't an A+ class, I don't know what you're looking for..." -- Rex Ryan on #Jets 2013 draft class
Post by: Tommy on December 04, 2013, 01:46:15 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 01:48:41 PM
We get it, Rex. You love your players.
I really don't see why he just can't say something like: "some good, some bad...but all of the players can get better"
Instead we get: "all the draft picks are the best in the league! throw deep on us now!"
Post by: dcm1602 on December 04, 2013, 01:48:57 PM
KMart_LI: "If this isn't an A+ class, I don't know what you're looking for..." -- Rex Ryan on #Jets 2013 draft class
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft? With Cromartie falling apart were going to need Milliner more than ever.
Geno was a steal in the second, but got thrown into the fire too soon with no weapons. And everyone on these boards loved Winters.
This could easily end up an "A" draft class if Milliner and Winters improve. Both were injured most of the preseason and missed valuable campd
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 01:50:21 PM
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft? With Cromartie falling apart were going to need Milliner more than ever.
Geno was a steal in the second, but got thrown into the fire too soon with no weapons. And everyone on these boards loved Winters.
This could easily end up an "A" draft class if Milliner and Winters improve. Both were injured most of the preseason and missed valuable campd
It's not an A+ draft class right now. Not even close. He makes himself look like a complete moron saying stuff like this.
He was asked about how he felt about the draft class at this point...and he said this. After he's benched multiple draft picks and three of our first four picks have been incredibly inconsistent.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 04, 2013, 01:54:33 PM
It's not an A+ draft class right now. Not even close. He makes himself look like a complete moron saying stuff like this.
He was asked about how he felt about the draft class at this point...and he said this. After he's benched multiple draft picks and three of our first four picks have been incredibly inconsistent.
Wait...Rex said this today?!
I thought that was a re-hash of something he said post-draft. Jeez Rex, do you ever know how to shut your mouth when necessary?
Post by: Badger on December 04, 2013, 02:00:37 PM
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft?
My initial reactions to every round:
1st round: WTF more defense?
2nd round: hate hate hate
3rd round: Finally a freaking guard!
4th round: Would have preferred it if we gave up a 5th, but fine with getting Ivory.
5th round: More OL? Great.
6th round: Project OL? Sure, why not?
7th round: Fullback? Whatever, it's only a 7th rounder
Of course in the following months leading up into the season I rationalized and justified most of these picks to myself.
Post by: reuben on December 04, 2013, 02:03:04 PM
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft? With Cromartie falling apart were going to need Milliner more than ever.
Geno was a steal in the second, but got thrown into the fire too soon with no weapons. And everyone on these boards loved Winters.
This could easily end up an "A" draft class if Milliner and Winters improve. Both were injured most of the preseason and missed valuable campd
If Tommy Bohanon rushes for 2,000 yards next season, I might even give it an A++.
I think it was a smart draft, I think we made smart picks, but that doesn't mean they were good picks. Three offensive linemen, none of whom can play. A fullback who (brace yourselves, folks!) kinda stinks. A quarterback who SUCKS. A top ten pick who's a liability on the field.
Quite frankly, I think all those other jokers are worth it for one Sheldon Richardson, but I wouldn't bother commenting on the draft class as a whole. I'd just leave it at Sheldon: great freaking pick.
Post by: reuben on December 04, 2013, 02:04:53 PM
My initial reactions to every round:
1st round: WTF more defense?
2nd round: hate hate hate
3rd round: Finally a freaking guard!
4th round: Would have preferred it if we gave up a 5th, but fine with getting Ivory.
5th round: More OL? Great.
6th round: Project OL? Sure, why not?
7th round: Fullback? Whatever, it's only a 7th rounder
Of course in the following months leading up into the season I rationalized and justified most of these picks to myself.
I was doing cartwheels.
Still respect the moves; smart moves just aren't always successful moves.
Post by: Tommy on December 04, 2013, 02:04:55 PM
Post by: 624 on December 04, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
Post by: Badger on December 04, 2013, 02:07:22 PM
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
In the picks immediately following:
Robert Woods
Kiko Alonso
Slightly further reaches:
Eddie Lacy
Larry Warford
Tyrann Mathieu
Mike Glennon
Terrance Williams
Keenan Allen
These aren't all necessarily players I wanted (though some are) but all would have been better picks and not ridiculous reaches (I'm not going to suggest we should have picked some guy who ended up being a 7th round steal).
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 02:08:19 PM
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
Tank Carradine
Robert Woods
DJ Swearinger
Eddie Lacy
Le'Veon Bell
Larry Warford
Keenan Allen
David Amerson
I could name a hundred prospects
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 02:08:46 PM
My initial reactions to every round:
2nd round: hate hate hate
My reaction to that pick:
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1826413/tv-throw-o.gif)
"i did not break my tv...i did not! oh, hi geno"
Post by: 624 on December 04, 2013, 02:08:52 PM
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
Robert Woods probably.
Post by: Badger on December 04, 2013, 02:13:27 PM
My reaction to that pick:
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1826413/tv-throw-o.gif)
"i did not break my tv...i did not! oh, hi geno"
I was still on my way home and was following the 2nd round on twitter on my phone. I got to see Geno Smith make Nick Spano the happiest fag on earth.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 02:14:44 PM
I was still on my way home and was following the 2nd round on twitter on my phone. I got to see Geno Smith make Nick Spano the happiest fag on earth.
Now he hates him
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 02:15:08 PM
...and so it begins.
Post by: reuben on December 04, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
I wanted a guard above all else, but I recall thinking something like, "What a waste. Tyler Wilson's the only quarterback worth taking in this draft."
(http://www.davejunia.com/thoughts/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/facepalm-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-1158.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on December 04, 2013, 02:44:30 PM
I wanted a guard above all else, but I recall thinking something like, "What a waste. Tyler Bray's the only quarterback worth taking in this draft."
You mis-spelled his name, I fixed it for you.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 04, 2013, 02:51:27 PM
BrianCoz: Kellen Winslow refuses to speak with reporters #nyj
...and so it begins.
Think it's coincidental that on the day every single other roster guy practices, Winslow has a "planned" day off, the same day the media puts out a story about how he picked a Denver/New England AFC title game?
Braylon is waving to Kellen from the Rex Ryan doghouse.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
Think it's coincidental that on the day every single other roster guy practices, Winslow has a "planned" day off, the same day the media puts out a story about how he picked a Denver/New England AFC title game?
Braylon is waving to Kellen from the Rex Ryan doghouse.
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 04, 2013, 03:03:42 PM
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
Apparently, thank god he's a soldier man.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 04, 2013, 03:04:54 PM
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
He at least could have picked a team not in the AFC east.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 04, 2013, 03:21:38 PM
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
Actually, that was my own first reaction when I saw the story.
It might also have to do with him saying that the results in games mirror the practices the other day. This on top of getting suspended earlier in the year.
Let's be honest, he hasn't had enough of an impact to have a big mouth. He hasn't said anything wrong, but sometimes you have to know when to keep your mouth shut.
Strange that Rex would be the one teaching that lesson though.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2013, 03:23:43 PM
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2013, 12:31:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 08, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
"We've got a young quarterback who is very, very talented,"
Post by: dcm1602 on December 08, 2013, 07:03:48 PM
^ I stopped reading as soon as i read this from Woody:
"We've got a young quarterback who is very, very talented,"
He was talking about Simms
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2013, 06:46:56 PM
So freak you, ESPN.
Post by: Ornstein on December 09, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
He was talking about Simms
I'd be even more alarmed if that's what he really meant.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 09, 2013, 07:34:32 PM
Fun fact: With the Jets winning their 6th game and the Texans losing their 11th, it's officially impossible for the Jets to be the worst team in the league in 2013.
So freak you, ESPN.
Well that is such encouraging news, I think I am going to throw a party.
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
Well that is such encouraging news, I think I am going to throw a party.
You should buy a block of 20 tickets to the Browns game in celebration.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
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Seth Walder Jets are 12-point underdogs to the Panthers. #nyj 7:33PM EST
So instead of Geno throwing a pick 6, we make a pick 6. And we win.
Anybodies game
Post by: 624 on December 10, 2013, 12:22:44 AM
So instead of Geno throwing a pick 6, we make a pick 6. And we win.
Anybodies game
This hurts my brain.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 10, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
You should buy a block of 20 tickets to the Browns game in celebration.
I was so happy the Jets can't possibly be the worst team in the league, I went out and rented a corporate suite for the Browns game. The cost was $10,000. I asked for the shrimp and Lobster service. We are having cold poached lobster and shrimp for appetizers and 15-20 different other dishes for the buffet. You're invited Badger, I will give your name to security.
Post by: Badger on December 10, 2013, 09:14:55 AM
I was so happy the Jets can't possibly be the worst team in the league, I went out and rented a corporate suite for the Browns game. The cost was $10,000. I asked for the shrimp and Lobster service. We are having cold poached lobster and shrimp for appetizers and 15-20 different other dishes for the buffet. You're invited Badger, I will give your name to security.
(http://i.imgur.com/pM0wZaE.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
This hurts my brain.
Too elite for you.
Post by: 624 on December 10, 2013, 09:39:58 AM
Too elite for you.
I said "pretty good" not "elite.". And I only chose you because I saw a pub post right above me.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 10, 2013, 02:13:27 PM
Too elite for you.
At least I didnt hate the Sheldon Richardson pick
Post by: dcm1602 on December 10, 2013, 02:19:53 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/32827/film-review-no-mojo-for-mo-wilkerson (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/32827/film-review-no-mojo-for-mo-wilkerson)
Quote
This was an unusually quiet game for DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who was credited with only two tackles. He wasn't disruptive in the pass rush, appearing at times as if he were less than 100 percent. You can't help but wonder if his wrist injury is affecting his ability to shed blockers.
Wilkerson showed up on the injury report two weeks ago, meaning he probably hurt it against the Baltimore Ravens -- his last impact performance. He has been limited in practice, but he continues to downplay the injury, insisting it's no big deal. But could it be a coincidence that the Jets' run defense has slipped since Wilkerson hurt his wrist? The Jets have allowed 275 rushing yards in the last two games.
It's almost unfair to pick on Wilkerson because he's such a good player, undoubtedly the team MVP. That, of course, is why we take notice when he's not his usual dominant self.
And also suggests that the Reese big TD might have been Wilkersons fault as well
Quote
Ryan didn't name names, but he said the 3-technique lined up a bit wide (it looked like Wilkerson), allowing a double team. Reece had a huge hole. NT Damon Harrison missed a tackle at the point of attack, and that was all she wrote.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 10, 2013, 02:21:39 PM
Oakland did a great job of neutralizing our defensive line using seven players in protection.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 10, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
And also suggests that the Reese big TD might have been Wilkersons fault as well
There's ten other players on defense with him.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 10, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
There's ten other players on defense with him.
I dont have game rewind so I cant check the play out, but what they're both suggesting is that he missed his assignment which allowed the play to develop.
Cimini points out we were in a 46 so it should have been an ideal play call to stop the play.
Post by: ons on December 10, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 10, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
Post by: Badger on December 10, 2013, 03:29:55 PM
The almighty Ed Reed also whiffed on the play showing that playmaking ability by jumping to the outside defending a toss. That was the biggest probably the biggest reason the play went for a 60+ yd TD run instead of being a mere 10 yard gain.
I was just wondering how we could pin this on Reed too.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 11, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Cimini is reporting that Hill "COULD" sit out the rest of the year because of his knee problems
There were able 50 consecutive tweets in my feed earlier when Rex said he didn't know if Hill would sit out for the rest of the year or not. That's a whole lot of effort by the beat guys to provide zero news.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2013, 04:18:12 PM
Hill is a big disappointment.
Post by: Jumbo on December 12, 2013, 02:32:39 AM
Yeah, and Rex didn't exactly deny it was a possibly.
Hill is a big disappointment.
I give him till at least next year, we all knew he was a project going in. If he can get his route running going, watch out.
Post by: JFIF on December 12, 2013, 03:38:36 AM
Most Denver fans were dismissing that pick as a bust...Not saying that will happen with Hill but any GT receiver who came out of that system is going to need time.
I liked Jeffrey and was hoping we'd take him, but the circumstances are a bit different. He's their #3 option in the offense, and Marshall is a top 3 receiver in the NFL dictating a ton of coverage. Obviously you don't have multiple 200 yard games by accident, or make some of the ridiculous catches he makes....but it's tough to say how he'd be doing here if he had to be the #1 guy more or less here.
Overall I'm pretty down on Hill.....because like i said,it seems he's not a player who can be effective unless he's 100% and has his combine like explosiveness. That's a big problem especially when he's shown a propensity to get constantly dinged up. I'm not ready to write him off just yet but I wouldn't really be relying on him as an integral part of the offense going forward.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 12, 2013, 04:20:28 AM
If he can get his route running going, watch out.
It's more than that.
Post by: Tommy on December 12, 2013, 08:28:16 AM
Demaryius Thomas had both injury issues and poor QB play his first two years.
Most Denver fans were dismissing that pick as a bust...Not saying that will happen with Hill but any GT receiver who came out of that system is going to need time.
I liked Jeffrey and was hoping we'd take him, but the circumstances are a bit different. He's their #3 option in the offense, and Marshall is a top 3 receiver in the NFL dictating a ton of coverage. Obviously you don't have multiple 200 yard games by accident, or make some of the ridiculous catches he makes....but it's tough to say how he'd be doing here if he had to be the #1 guy more or less here.
Overall I'm pretty down on Hill.....because like i said,it seems he's not a player who can be effective unless he's 100% and has his combine like explosiveness. That's a big problem especially when he's shown a propensity to get constantly dinged up. I'm not ready to write him off just yet but I wouldn't really be relying on him as an integral part of the offense going forward.
Yeah, look who's throwing to him.
Post by: ons on December 12, 2013, 09:22:17 AM
He also needs to learn that he doesn't need to make 8 guys tackle him when he's not making any forward progress anyway.
And not catch with his body.
And he really, really needs to find a way to get a quarterback that can anticipate routes and coverages. His biggest flaw imo.
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2013, 09:30:52 AM
And he really, really needs to find a way to get a quarterback that can anticipate routes and coverages. His biggest flaw imo.
Stephen Hill is a bad recruiter.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 12, 2013, 11:07:37 AM
I gave him time as a "project" player, but let's be honest, he doesn't even do the elementary things well. Or even competently. He may still pan out as a secondary threat, but he's never going to be a primary receiver.
It's time to stop with the project picks in the early rounds. Wilson, Ducasse, Hill. These are the kinds of picks that should (and did) send a GM packing.
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2013, 11:10:47 AM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 12, 2013, 11:47:20 AM
I don't think Kyle Wilson was a "project" pick. He just never turned out to be good enough to be a starting CB.
I dunno, he's been playing pretty well this season. Or actually ever since he cut his dreads off. Maybe there's a connection there...
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 12, 2013, 11:50:13 AM
I don't think Kyle Wilson was a "project" pick. He just never turned out to be good enough to be a starting CB.
Yeah, I kind of agree. He's not as much a project as Ducasse or Hill were supposed to be. Still, drafting players in the first two or three rounds that will take significant work to be starters gets more frustrating every year. That's fine if you already have talent, but when you're struggling you have to take guys who can contribute early.
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2013, 11:54:29 AM
I dunno, he's been playing pretty well this season. Or actually ever since he cut his dreads off. Maybe there's a connection there...
I think he's a decent nickel at this point. Which sort of is what he was drafted to be, but many of us hoped he could do more.
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Post by: Johnny English on December 12, 2013, 01:25:09 PM
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Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2013, 07:42:02 AM
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Yes phuck all the aholes that want to tank.
Edit: I will re edit to proper cussing later on. GFY
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 13, 2013, 08:57:15 AM
Yes phuck all the aholes that want to tank.
Edit: I will re edit to proper cussing later on. GFY
Feck you and your editing.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2013, 09:07:52 AM
Feck you and your editing.
Eat a bag of decks.
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2013, 11:48:45 AM
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Or pigeon prints.
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Post by: Heismanberg on December 18, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
Ryan Steed: Flag Football Champion
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2013, 02:25:20 PM
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Post by: Tommy on December 20, 2013, 02:26:11 PM
Post by: Tommy on December 20, 2013, 02:27:43 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Vinny definitely got a lot of mileage out of that 1998 season.
I once saw an analysis of his career next to Namath's. Except for the one game in Super Bowl III Vinny had him across the board, college and pro. It's a shame we didn't finish that year off, that was the best chance we've had in my memory, which goes back to 1974.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2013, 02:32:32 PM
Interesting tidbit: the 1998 NY Jets are one of only two teams to have beaten 7 playoff teams in one season.
Because four teams from the AFC East made the playoffs, which is rare and maybe impossible now. We beat New England, Buffalo and Miami all twice, and Atlanta who went to the Super Bowl for the NFC. Interesting our only division loss was at Indianapolis to a bad team with rookie Peyton Manning at QB.
Post by: Tommy on December 20, 2013, 02:34:19 PM
I once saw an analysis of his career next to Namath's. Except for the one game in Super Bowl III Vinny had him across the board, college and pro. It's a shame we didn't finish that year off, that was the best chance we've had in my memory, which goes back to 1974.
It really is a damn shame. That offense was fun to watch.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2013, 03:30:26 PM
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Guard Willie Colon was named the recipient of the Eskenazi Award, presented annually to the most media-friendly player on the New York Jet
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2013, 03:33:26 PM
Per espn NY
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Guard Willie Colon was named the recipient of the Eskenazi Award, presented annually to the most media-friendly player on the New York Jet
Nice knowing you, Willie
Post by: Libero_2 on December 24, 2013, 04:09:51 PM
Nice knowing you, Willie
This might become a "death-knoll" award as we don't want to be media friendly anymore
Also mildly surprised it wasn't Richardson, as the media loves that dude.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2013, 04:49:41 PM
This might become a "death-knoll" award as we don't want to be media friendly anymore
Also mildly surprised it wasn't Richardson, as the media loves that dude.
Well throwing a punch at a ref is always a good story for the media.
I could see him being back though if we lack faith in Winters. Because we're gonna need to add another guard already. We let colon go well need two
Post by: Libero_2 on December 24, 2013, 05:31:26 PM
Well throwing a punch at a ref is always a good story for the media.
I could see him being back though if we lack faith in Winters. Because we're gonna need to add another guard already. We let colon go well need two
Well that's what $40million+ in free space is for...
Post by: Johnny English on December 24, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2013, 07:44:47 PM
freak Willie Colon, the big mouthed penalty machine stupid named poopchute. I don't like him at all, he has given up two full length drives in penalties this season.Unless we sign a free agent guard or one in the first round, it is likely Colon will be at least an early season starter possibly to groom another younger guard or start all season if he plays OK. Every position can't be elite.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2013, 07:47:37 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
It's going to be really fun watching the Jets spend a boatload this off season. I wonder if we will sign a bunch of mid level talents or go big on a couple of elites. I just hope we can sign an elite wideout.
I don't see Idzik making a big splash. I see him signing a bunch of mid priced FA. At most I could see him splurging big on one guy, presumably a QB or WR if the opportunity is there. But barring maybe Cutler hitting the open market I just don't see it happening.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2013, 07:57:57 PM
I don't see Idzik making a big splash. I see him signing a bunch of mid priced FA. At most I could see him splurging big on one guy, presumably a QB or WR if the opportunity is there. But barring maybe Cutler hitting the open market I just don't see it happening.
He needs to throw money at Jon Asamoah and Greg Hardy. Solidify the front sevens, then add a bunch of middle tier players to compete for other spots.
Then draft the best available talent
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2013, 08:02:19 PM
He needs to throw money at Jon Asamoah and Greg Hardy. Solidify the front sevens, then add a bunch of middle tier players to compete for other spots.
Then draft the best available talent
Hardy could be expensive.
Guard and tight end are the two positions I'd like to see us throw a freak ton of cash at.
If we spent 20 million a year on two high end guards/ 2 tes I'd be giddy.
Though I guess we could save some cash and use Cumberland as a #2
Post by: ons on December 24, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
[We have] learned today that due diligence is being worked on around coaches that have ties to John Idzik. As of Monday, the Jets have snooped around defensive positional coaches that fit a certain profile. The names we’ve heard as a whole can be classified as smart, young, rising positional coaches who have shone in their respective work. Our first impression is that they might be hard to sell to the media in New York as head coaching candidates, but could be promising coordinators.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2013, 08:08:05 PM
Also, Idzik could be putting together an entire staff himself...starting with the coordinators.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2013, 08:12:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2013, 08:13:56 PM
I wonder if DT will be the fall guy if Ryan is retained?I guess from a practice standpoint Thurman could be blamed, but Rex called all the plays and that was public from day 1 this year.
Also, Idzik could be putting together an entire staff himself...starting with the coordinators.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
I guess from a practice standpoint Thurman could be blamed, but Rex called all the plays and that was public from day 1 this year.
There's going to be a ton of drama surrounding this team whether we win or lose this Sunday.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
There's going to be a ton of drama surrounding this team whether we win or lose this Sunday.It's going to be fun. Plenty of draft picks and a ton of cash. We'll be like a rich ugly dude at a whorehouse.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2013, 08:47:09 PM
The Jets Blog writes:
[We have] learned today that due diligence is being worked on around coaches that have ties to John Idzik. As of Monday, the Jets have snooped around defensive positional coaches that fit a certain profile. The names we’ve heard as a whole can be classified as smart, young, rising positional coaches who have shone in their respective work. Our first impression is that they might be hard to sell to the media in New York as head coaching candidates, but could be promising coordinators.
I'm not sure what to make of this? It sounds very vague and general?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2013, 08:51:46 PM
I'm not sure what to make of this? It sounds very vague and general?
If the source is actually legitimate, it sounds like John Idzik is finding defensive coordinator candidates for a new coach. It just tells me that he's building his future staff.
I'm not sure Rex Ryan will get rid of Dennis Thurman. That's one of his guys.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2013, 08:58:17 PM
If the source is actually legitimate, it sounds like John Idzik is finding defensive coordinator candidates for a new coach. It just tells me that he's building his future staff.
I'm not sure Rex Ryan will get rid of Dennis Thurman. That's one of his guys.
Makes me wonder though, I thought Idzik was supposed to be all secretive.
If true well he's not doing a good job
Post by: Johnny English on December 24, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
Unless we sign a free agent guard or one in the first round, it is likely Colon will be at least an early season starter possibly to groom another younger guard or start all season if he plays OK. Every position can't be elite.
I don't dislike him because he's not elite, I dislike him because he's a loudmouthed rooster who routinely gives the opposition free yards through being dumb. And he's not going to get any better.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2013, 12:05:08 AM
Manish Mehta
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10:48PM EST
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NFL's explanation to Richardson RT @Godforshort because I landed on QB with full body lbs. Says I'm suppose to cradle him w/my arms. OKAY
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Post by: Libero_2 on December 25, 2013, 07:28:42 AM
I wonder if DT will be the fall guy if Ryan is retained?
Also, Idzik could be putting together an entire staff himself...starting with the coordinators.
Are you kidding? How the freak do you build a staff, coordinators first? All the craziness about hiring a GM with a HC in place will pale in comparison to the awfulness we would experience if we hire coordinators and then force them on the next HC....
Post by: Heismanberg on December 25, 2013, 07:53:41 AM
Are you kidding? How the freak do you build a staff, coordinators first? All the craziness about hiring a GM with a HC in place will pale in comparison to the awfulness we would experience if we hire coordinators and then force them on the next HC....
No one said anything about hiring them first...with that said, the general manager should have more control over the staff than the head coach.
Post by: Cane on December 25, 2013, 09:16:28 AM
No one said anything about hiring them first...with that said, the general manager should have more control over the staff than the head coach.The only person taking a head job that won't allow him to have at least equal say on his people is someone desperate for a move up.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 25, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2013, 10:14:21 AM
Are you kidding? How the freak do you build a staff, coordinators first? All the craziness about hiring a GM with a HC in place will pale in comparison to the awfulness we would experience if we hire coordinators and then force them on the next HC....
Fair point, that wouldn't make much sense at all.
Especially not knowing what kind of offense or defense the coach plans on running
Post by: Badger on December 25, 2013, 10:16:00 AM
The only person taking a head job that won't allow him to have at least equal say on his people is someone desperate for a move up.
All aboard the Tomsula train!
*sob*
Post by: ons on December 25, 2013, 11:28:43 AM
We also need to keep in mind that this is the same dude that said Tom Gamble would be the next NYJ general manager.
Yeah, I wouldn't put too much stock in it - even if it is correct, it might be pretty standard stuff that goes around this time of year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2013, 11:59:50 PM
No one said anything about hiring them first...with that said, the general manager should have more control over the staff than the head coach.Seriously?? No coach will take this job if the GM is picking his staff.
Plus, this worked out so well when Tannenbaum hired Sparano...
I love TJB, but I take their report with a grain of salt. Wayyy too vague a report.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 12:06:18 AM
Plus, this worked out so well when Tannenbaum hired Sparano...
Rex Ryan wanted Tony Sparano.
Ground and Pound, babbie. Also, the Wildcat...
I hope you guys realize that when Rex Ryan came in here, Brian Schottenheimer was retained and he was okay with it. It's really not that big of a deal.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
Rex Ryan wanted Tony Sparano.
Ground and Pound, babbie. Also, the Wildcat...
I hope you guys realize that when Rex Ryan came in here, Brian Schottenheimer was retained and he was okay with it. It's really not that big of a deal.
Ryan was a wildman when he came here though. His attitude was way more offputting to GMs than it is now. The whole guarantees and things. I mean he went out there the previous year and couldnt get a headcoaching job (ie Atlanta passed on him)
I dont believe Rex was a hot commodity that had several teams competing for him. Hell the Ravens passed on him and he was there for a decade. A decade of them having one of best defenses of all time. Plus I think having the OC already "done" for him was kind of a relief, since he didnt have too much of an offense background.
I dont know why people think Rex had nothing to do with Sparano. On paper that was an absolutely perfect freaking marriage, it just didnt fit the roster. The 2009 Jets + Sparano and that power running game could have worked much more nicely
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 12:18:17 AM
Ryan was a wildman when he came here though. His attitude was way more offputting to GMs than it is now. The whole guarantees and things. I mean he went out there the previous year and couldnt get a headcoaching job (ie Atlanta passed on him)
I dont believe Rex was a hot commodity that had several teams competing for him. Hell the Ravens passed on him and he was there for a decade. A decade of them having one of best defenses of all time
Maybe that's because he is great defensive coach, but was not a great head coach candidate. Have you ever put any thought into that?
Baltimore passing on him for John Harbaugh speaks volumes. All of the defensive players there wanted Ryan.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
I dont know why people think Rex had nothing to do with Sparano. On paper that was an absolutely perfect freaking marriage, it just didnt fit the roster. The 2009 Jets + Sparano and that power running game could have worked much more nicely
In my opinion Rex's one big mistake here, which to his credit he identified and fixed. Sparano is a meathead who only had success because we gave him Chad Pennington when he was in Miami. The same reason Herm and Mangini looked smarter than they were when they had a healthy Pennington on the field.
I'm not a big Tebow advocate but there had to be a better way to use his abilities after we dealt with all the other bullshit that came with him. Especially after we lost Keller and Holmes early in the season and were hurting for weapons to use. They couldn't have used him any worse if they tried, spotting him in on the rare occasion Sanchez had some momentum going and never running him outside the tackles where he had his success in Denver. Might not have saved our season but we could have at least tried a lot more if we had an OC with an ounce of imagination.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
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Antonio Cromartie on facing Dolphins: ""This is our last game. We want to make sure it's their last game, too." #Jets
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 03:01:32 PM
Cimini Tweet (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/416308611841683456)
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Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 03:20:08 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 03:25:54 PM
Antonio Cromartie said he would "definitely" be open to restructuring his contract. "This is where I want to retire." #nyj
2:51PM EST
Ive been wondering what were gonna do with Cromartie
Like 4 years 25 million, front-loaded or something to that effect and id like to see him back...
And then traded in a year when Milliner proves himself
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
Seth Walder
Antonio Cromartie said he would "definitely" be open to restructuring his contract. "This is where I want to retire." #nyj
2:51PM EST
Ive been wondering what were gonna do with Cromartie
Like 4 years 25 million, front-loaded or something to that effect and id like to see him back...
And then traded in a year when Milliner proves himself
A lot of these guys are commenting how they want to come back here and how they want Rex back because they know things won't be as good for them elsewhere and without Rex, a fair number of them will be hitting the bricks.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 03:36:13 PM
A lot of these guys are commenting how they want to come back here and how they want Rex back because they know things won't be as good for them elsewhere and without Rex, a fair number of them will be hitting the bricks.
Firing Rex would open up a world of problems.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 03:41:03 PM
Firing Rex would open up a world of problems.
Chill
Rex leaving would suck, but it wouldnt make the entire team esplode.
The defense would likely drop off a little ( likely being offset by Wilk/Coples/Richardson/Davis peaking/entering their primes), and if we got someone who was VERY good at offense (which the real question becomes, is such a candidate available?) then the offense would likely improve.
For me losing Rex would bum me out, but if we managed to land someone like Cutler that would help ease the sting a little
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 03:57:28 PM
Chill
Rex leaving would suck, but it wouldnt make the entire team esplode.
The defense would likely drop off a little ( likely being offset by Wilk/Coples/Richardson/Davis peaking/entering their primes), and if we got someone who was VERY good at offense (which the real question becomes, is such a candidate available?) then the offense would likely improve.
For me losing Rex would bum me out, but if we managed to land someone like Cutler that would help ease the sting a little
Hopefully we don't have to find out. No reason we can't improve the offense with Rex here, I think Mornhinweg is the right guy. The offense seemed to run a lot better than before, even with players thrown together as we went along, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will get hired away to be a head coach again if we get good.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
Hopefully we don't have to find out. No reason we can't improve the offense with Rex here, I think Mornhinweg is the right guy. The offense seemed to run a lot better than before, even with players thrown together as we went along, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will get hired away to be a head coach again if we get good.
The offense is going to improve whether Rex is here or not. Him being fired imo isnt a referendum on whether hes a good coach or not, purely if Idzik wants him or not.
We all know Woody wants Rex here, and everyone on the planet can see that Rex did a hell of a job taking a team with one of the worst starting QBs in the league and making them competitive. I also think hes done a far better job building this roster than most people realize.
People can say or think what they want about Rex but theres one simple fact thats undeniable. If Rex is gone next week, he will be leaving this team in MUCH better shape than it was in when he got here a few years ago.
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 04:09:47 PM
People can say or think what they want about Rex but theres one simple fact thats undeniable. If Rex is gone next week, he will be leaving this team in MUCH better shape than it was in when he got here a few years ago.
It's kind of deniable.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 04:19:37 PM
It's kind of deniable.
Theyd be on crack to deny it, I was going to list out all of the needs we had in 09 vs now, but realized people would just argue about what is or isnt a need. So ill just say this. Is there ANYONE who would rather have our roster the day before Rex got here, then our roster the day after this season ends ?
Were drastically younger, healthier, and more talented almost completely across the board. There were some positions where we were quite a bit better (OL) but age was a HUGE limiting factor looking towards the future.
And just for good measure when Rex got here we were missing a 3rd round pick, and when he (possibly?) leaves well have an extra.
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
What you're basically saying is that the Jets post-2013 have a longer window for possible success than the post-2008 team. The latter was a better team to inherit in terms of win-now success though.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
For what it's worth, I think we're much better off now than we were at the end of 2011.
What you're basically saying is that the Jets post-2013 have a longer window for possible success than the post-2008 team. The latter was a better team to inherit in terms of win-now success though.
If we had a QB then and some wrs maybe. Or if we were playing in the 70s and 80s
But a pass first league with Clemens Stuckey and cotchery , good luck winning anything with that
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 05:16:53 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 05:22:08 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 05:50:38 PM
That's more of a GM conversation though. Where Rex comes in is the ability to gameplan, prepare the team and coach the game with the roster you give him. With a strong D it can keep you in games and give you a chance to win. Kotite went 1-15 and Parcells 9-7 with mostly the same players.
Meh
Clearly the whole Trader Tanny thing was part of his philosophy. He made trades before Rex (Jenks, Favre) he made trades during Rex.
But no HC is absolved of the roster decisions for a team. A GM and HC should be have some level of harmony in decisions. If a GM is getting a QB (or any player) to start that a HC doesnt feel is a good fit, and this is happening on a consistent basis thats a major issue.
Of course years like this year where you have a HC that is forced on a GM are an exception.
Although the Milliner/Richardson picks makes me think there was definitely some level of being on the same page
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 05:55:59 PM
If a GM is getting a QB (or any player) to start that a HC doesnt feel is a good fit, and this is happening on a consistent basis thats a major issue.
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/50aa6e37eab8ea9f56000013-1200/going-into-the-regular-season-tebow-was-confined-to-the-role-of-wildcat-qb-and-barely-played-early-on.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 05:56:03 PM
And that the Jets had a higher grade on EJ Manuel than Geno per an "anonymous source"
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 05:56:18 PM
Meh
Clearly the whole Trader Tanny thing was part of his philosophy. He made trades before Rex (Jenks, Favre) he made trades during Rex.
But no HC is absolved of the roster decisions for a team. A GM and HC should be have some level of harmony in decisions. If a GM is getting a QB (or any player) to start that a HC doesnt feel is a good fit, and this is happening on a consistent basis thats a major issue.
Of course years like this year where you have a HC that is forced on a GM are an exception.
Although the Milliner/Richardson picks makes me think there was definitely some level of being on the same page
I agree. I just think when we get into what shape the team is in in terms of roster and cap, that's mostly the GM. I think in most if not all cases the coach is involved to some degree, he has to be, but that's the GM's job. The old Parcells shopping for the groceries/cooking the meal analogy.
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 05:56:49 PM
And that the Jets had a higher grade on EJ Manuel than Geno per an "anonymous source"
Good, that means the scouting department isn't completely retarded.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 05:58:15 PM
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/50aa6e37eab8ea9f56000013-1200/going-into-the-regular-season-tebow-was-confined-to-the-role-of-wildcat-qb-and-barely-played-early-on.jpg)
They didnt bring him in to start.
Hell he cost us what a 4th round pick?
Not saying it was a good move, but I dont mind a GM taking a flier on a low risk high reward move.
Its just a big difference if Tanny had gone out and traded up for Sanchez and Rex didnt want him
Post by: Libero_2 on December 26, 2013, 06:05:45 PM
They didnt bring him in to start.
Hell he cost us what a 4th round pick?
Not saying it was a good move, but I dont mind a GM taking a flier on a low risk high reward move.
Its just a big difference if Tanny had gone out and traded up for Sanchez and Rex didnt want him
I think his point was we traded for Tebow, giving up assets for a player for which we had no freaking plan how to use, and we had no development of a plan after the fact. It was a terrible move and cost us a solid asset, terrible decision by Tanny.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 06:07:31 PM
I think his point was we traded for Tebow, giving up assets for a player for which we had no freaking plan how to use, and we had no development of a plan after the fact. It was a terrible move and cost us a solid asset, terrible decision by Tanny.
Well we brought in Sparano for the wildcat and tebow for the wildcat.
So they had a plan, it just ended up being horrible
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2013, 06:07:34 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2013, 06:16:15 PM
Well we brought in Sparano for the wildcat and tebow for the wildcat.
So they had a plan, it just ended up being horrible
This. Have to put it on Sparano mostly. They even tried the punt protector thing to find a use for him outside of Sparano's creative ability.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 06:21:16 PM
This. Have to put it on Sparano mostly. They even tried the punt protector thing to find a use for him outside of Sparano's creative ability.
I didn't put it on Sparano, it's on Tanny.
You just said earlier the head coach isn't responsible for roster things the GM is. Now you're ready to blame an OC?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 06:23:38 PM
And that the Jets had a higher grade on EJ Manuel than Geno per an "anonymous source"
Why is that news? I'm sure just about every team had EJ Manuel over Geno Smith.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
Why is that news?
Youll have to ask this guy
http://m.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2013/12/26/source-jets-had-e-j-manuel-rated-higher-than-geno-smith/
I think the question isnt so much why is it news, but why is it news week 17
Seems this story is about 8-10 months too late
Post by: Laxin on December 26, 2013, 06:58:09 PM
For me losing Rex would bum me out, but if we managed to land someone like Cutler that would help ease the sting a little
Honestly, if we signed Cutler, Id be a little annoyed. I just dont think he would be worth the 15 mil per year in this offense. From what Ive seen of Cutler over the years, he likes to gamble on both his arm and his WR's. I dont necessarily have a problem with the first part, but in this offense, the second part is a recipe for disaster. The guy would going from having a top 3 WR duo + Forte and Bennett, to us... If we sign Cutler, I dont see us being able to sign any significant WR in FA. Even if we draft Mike Evans, I dont think that will be good enough for Cutler to succeed and ultimately be worth the money.
Plus, the guy is good to miss at least 1-2 games per year. I just dont think he's worth the money.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
Honestly, if we signed Cutler, Id be a little annoyed. I just dont think he would be worth the 15 mil per year in this offense. From what Ive seen of Cutler over the years, he likes to gamble on both his arm and his WR's. I dont necessarily have a problem with the first part, but in this offense, the second part is a recipe for disaster. The guy would going from having a top 3 WR duo + Forte and Bennett, to us... If we sign Cutler, I dont see us being able to sign any significant WR in FA. Even if we draft Mike Evans, I dont think that will be good enough for Cutler to succeed and ultimately be worth the money.
Plus, the guy is good to miss at least 1-2 games per year. I just dont think he's worth the money.
We have the cap space, plus 15 million a year isnt going to be THAT much for a QB when the next generation of QBs (Kaep, luck, newton, rg3, wilson,tanenhill,foles) get past their rookie contracts in the next 2 years or so. I dont think 15 million a year would even be a top 10 paid QB. Ive said it on here a few times but if we got Cutler for 15 million a year that would be a bargain, in 2-3 years he would probably be closer to the 15th~ highest paid QB in the league, which I think is more than fair for the level of play he would bring. And it sure would beat trading up and probably missing on yet another young QB
I mean if we add Cutler + a mid/high end wr in fa, then draft a wr/te/guard with 3 of our first 4 picks this offense would be wildly improved.
Of course Cutler isnt really likely to happen, so im leaning towards just hoping to see us win bring back Rex, then get him some middle of the pack QB via whatever means available and see what happens.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2013, 07:06:52 PM
Reports are that Cro could get hip surgery after this season, guess his hip injury was likely the biggest issue with him this year after all.
Or that's a convenient excuse.....
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 07:11:03 PM
I mean if we add Cutler + a mid/high end wr in fa, then draft a wr/te/guard with 3 of our first 4 picks this offense would be wildly improved.
Again, you're basically talking about a full offensive rebuild. It can't at be fixed at once.
Chemistry between the QB and his targets will take time. The picks may not be consistent early on.
It's not all going to be fixed in one offseason.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 07:14:01 PM
Again, you're basically talking about a full offensive rebuild. It can't at be fixed at once.
Chemistry between the QB and his targets will take time. The picks may not be consistent early on.
It's not all going to be fixed in one offseason.
Oh I dont think we would have a top 10 offense next year, but it would be a vast improvement over what weve seen with Geno/Sanchez.
I mean this is a team that has the absolute WORST offense in the league that week at least 6-10 weeks a year
Look how much the Colts offense improved from 2011 to 2012. And that was with a rookie QB
(yeah I realize they had Orlovsky and Painter in 2011, well their combined numbers arent really much worse than Genos. Actually as a team they threw for 14 tds- 14 ints that season, with 3500 passing yards)
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 07:17:49 PM
Oh I dont think we would have a top 10 offense next year
I'm not talking about statistics, dude. You keep saying stuff like: "all we have to do is sign Jay Cutler, sign a wideout, and draft three to four starters on offense!"
Not that easy.
It's unrealistic to think everyone we bring in through FA and the draft will work out immediately.
Post by: reuben on December 26, 2013, 07:20:13 PM
We all know Woody wants Rex here, and everyone on the planet can see that Rex did a hell of a job taking a team with one of the worst starting QBs in the league and making them competitive. I also think hes done a far better job building this roster than most people realize.
People can say or think what they want about Rex but theres one simple fact thats undeniable. If Rex is gone next week, he will be leaving this team in MUCH better shape than it was in when he got here a few years ago.
...undeniable?
The front seven is better. Aside from that, every other unit on the team is worse now than it was in 2008.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 07:21:29 PM
The defensive line is better. Aside from that, every other unit on the team is worse now than it was in 2008.
Every single position group but one.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 07:25:18 PM
I'm not talking about statistics, dude. You keep saying stuff like: "all we have to do is sign Jay Cutler, sign a wideout, and draft three to four starters on offense!"
Not that easy.
It's unrealistic to think everyone we bring in through FA and the draft will work out immediately.
Im talking about the offense being notably better than what we watched this year.
Geno Smith was one of the absolute worst starting QBs in the league this year, a rookie 2nd rounder who struggled to learn the offense which he never really did in college
Holmes was an incredibly ineffective/injured #1
Hill was out basically the entire year
Winslow was either hurt/suspended the entire season
Kerley hasnt been 100% really
Nelson joined us in the middle of the season.
Our LG was a rookie learning a new position, and our RG was plug and play.
So I dont think its wildly unrealistic to assume that it shouldnt be that difficult to improve from a horrible qb, and a bunch of cripples/plug and play guys.
Im not saying the offense will be pretty or great or come out of the gates gelling. Im just saying I cant imagine it being nearly as bad as it was this year.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
Geno Smith was one of the absolute worst starting QBs in the league this year, a rookie 2nd rounder who struggled to learn the offense which he never really did in college
Why do you keep trying to tell me stuff that I already know?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2013, 07:27:10 PM
Hill was out basically the entire year
He played in 12 games. Stop making excrement up.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 07:35:50 PM
He played in 12 games. Stop making excrement up.
Alright I just looked it up, he played in 594 snaps. A lot more than I thought he had.
Hill instead hasnt been healthy, and has sucked dick this season. Only landing 24 catches. We actually might have been better off had he missed this entire year.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2013, 07:37:40 PM
Why do you keep trying to tell me stuff that I already know?
Im saying why it shouldnt be that unrealistic to believe that the offense would substantially improve.
Of course I did say that I significantly expected it to improve from last season to this one with the new OC and having guys healthy. But the offensive injuries kinda crushed any chances of that
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2013, 05:54:05 AM
Well we brought in Sparano for the wildcat and tebow for the wildcat.
So they had a plan, it just ended up being horrible
If you want to call the vague concept of using him "in the wildcat" a well thought out plan, then sure you can call it that. But let's be honest, their plan making skills were freaking terrible when it came to Tebow. He was completely misused, and we contributed to the kicking him out of the league, between the ny media circus and complete lack of use we got out of him, he is done.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 27, 2013, 08:08:23 AM
I didn't put it on Sparano, it's on Tanny.
You just said earlier the head coach isn't responsible for roster things the GM is. Now you're ready to blame an OC?
Not for acquiring him, that of course was Tannenbaum. I'm saying once he was here and you start losing guys like Keller and Holmes, Sparano needed to do a better job using the pieces he had, Tebow being one of them.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 27, 2013, 10:31:32 AM
If you want to call the vague concept of using him "in the wildcat" a well thought out plan, then sure you can call it that. But let's be honest, their plan making skills were freaking terrible when it came to Tebow. He was completely misused, and we contributed to the kicking him out of the league, between the ny media circus and complete lack of use we got out of him, he is done.
Tebow plainly sucks, wildcat or not. He was not misused and we didn't contribute to him being kicked out of the league, he did it himself with his absolute lack of playing skills and the media circus that surrounds him all the time, NY or not (ESPN is not a NY-based media). Signing him was, in my opinion, the worst NY Jets decision in a decade. I still get angry when I think about it.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
Signing him was, in my opinion, the worst NY Jets decision in a decade. I still get angry when I think about it.
Because you think he made Mark Sanchez suck.
Vernon Gholston was the worst decision of this decade. Re-signing Santonio Holmes was also a worse decision.
FTR, Rex Ryan wanted to play Tim Tebow more, but Sparano was against it.
Post by: Tommy on December 27, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2013, 11:05:17 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 27, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Because you think he made Mark Sanchez suck.
Hahahaha, not at all. Sanchez managed to suck pretty bad by himself. I hate Tebow as a player and I don't like him as a person. One of the worst football related days of my life was when we lost to the Broncos in 2011. He's a qb that can't throw and has the football IQ of a snail, and the "He's a winner" excuse his bots used to cover up for his flaws makes me cringe my teeth, then Brad Johnson was a "winner" too right? And I absolutely despise all the hypocresy that surrounds him as a person.
Tebow couldn't been used right because there was no right way to use him. It's the same as saying Gholston didn't succeed because he wasn't used right. There's a reason why they are both out of the league, they don't have the quality to be in it.
Oh, and for the record. I like Sanchez as a person but I'm far from a fanboy (of anything, really). I'm fully aware that he shat the bed the last two years he was here and that he doesn't have the ability to be a franchise QB anywhere. I believe he would have been a better option than Geno and I think he can be useful if he signs for the vet min next season instead of a similar quality free agency QB, but I'm absolutely aware we have to go in a different direction medium-term.
Post by: reuben on December 27, 2013, 12:10:37 PM
Because you think he made Mark Sanchez suck.
Vernon Gholston was the worst decision of this decade. Re-signing Santonio Holmes was also a worse decision.
FTR, Rex Ryan wanted to play Tim Tebow more, but Sparano was against it.
I don't think drafting Vernon Gholston was a bad decision, per se. He's one of the all time greatest draft busts, to be sure, but that's in hindsight. At the time, he was generally considered the BPA, and our biggest need was a pass rushing OLB. I honestly believe the Jets FO tried everything to get Ryan, Long or McFadden, but it just wasn't in the cards. And frankly, I don't know who we would have taken if we passed on Gholston.
IMO, bad decisions have to be obviously bad at the moment they're being made. The Tebow trade and the Sanchez contract extension are the only two moves that made me say "what the holy freak are they thinking?!" Those two, and sailing through the 2012 off-season without even pretending to evaluate the offensive line, i.e. Wayne Hunter.
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2013, 12:19:36 PM
I don't think drafting Vernon Gholston was a bad decision, per se. He's one of the all time greatest draft busts, to be sure, but that's in hindsight. At the time, he was generally considered the BPA, and our biggest need was a pass rushing OLB. I honestly believe the Jets FO tried everything to get Ryan, Long or McFadden, but it just wasn't in the cards. And frankly, I don't know who we would have taken if we passed on Gholston.
IMO, bad decisions have to be obviously bad at the moment they're being made. The Tebow trade and the Sanchez contract extension are the only two moves that made me say "what the holy freak are they thinking?!" Those two, and sailing through the 2012 off-season without even pretending to evaluate the offensive line, i.e. Wayne Hunter.
I have a friend who's a master of hindsight complaining. He's been complaining all season about how we didn't draft Andre Ellington. Yet he had no idea who Andre Ellington was in April. Or May, June, July, August... not until he made it on to a highlight reel on Sportscenter.
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2013, 12:37:15 PM
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2013, 12:40:51 PM
NFL Trade Rumors is reporting that Nelson has signed a two year extension. Good news if true.
There seems to be some confusion over this - some are reporting what you said, others are saying the contract he initially signed with us was already a 2 year deal (keeping him on the team through 2014).
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 12:42:54 PM
NFL Trade Rumors is reporting that Nelson has signed a two year extension. Good news if true.
His originally signed a two year deal.
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Tommy on December 27, 2013, 12:53:25 PM
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2013, 12:58:21 PM
Yeah, and what incentive would they have signing him to an extension with less than a week to go this season?
Upon hearing the news of the David Nelson extension, thousands of Jets fans will renew their season tickets for 2014.
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2013, 01:24:50 PM
"Jets traded for Tim Tebow"
"Jets can't give the GM job away"
"Rex told the team he's going to be fired"
freak you, Jay.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 02:50:50 PM
Rex on if knocking Miami out of the playoffs is a motivational factor: "If that was New England, it'd be true."
1:27PM EST
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2013, 02:52:40 PM
Kristian Dyer
Rex on if knocking Miami out of the playoffs is a motivational factor: "If that was New England, it'd be true."
1:27PM EST
no hatred for the Phins?
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
I don't think drafting Vernon Gholston was a bad decision, per se. He's one of the all time greatest draft busts, to be sure, but that's in hindsight. At the time, he was generally considered the BPA, and our biggest need was a pass rushing OLB. I honestly believe the Jets FO tried everything to get Ryan, Long or McFadden, but it just wasn't in the cards. And frankly, I don't know who we would have taken if we passed on Gholston.
IMO, bad decisions have to be obviously bad at the moment they're being made. The Tebow trade and the Sanchez contract extension are the only two moves that made me say "what the holy freak are they thinking?!" Those two, and sailing through the 2012 off-season without even pretending to evaluate the offensive line, i.e. Wayne Hunter.
The Baltimore trade that went down with the jags, two picks after ours was exactly what our team needed, and instead we took Gholston, then the next two teams traded down directly behind us (for busts nearly as big as gholston) and the ravens ended up with Joe Flacco, more draft picks and eventually a goddamned Super Bowl victory.
As soon as the Baltimore trade was announced, I considered our selection of Gholston retarded, by the standards you outlined.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2013, 02:56:33 PM
no hatred for the Phins?Now that Channing crowder is gone, what has Miami done in Rex's tenure to pee us off? They haven't won, they have pretty much split with us, so why should Rex hate them any more than the Bills?
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 03:01:19 PM
Now that Channing crowder is gone, what has Miami done in Rex's tenure to pee us off? They haven't won, they have pretty much split with us, so why should Rex hate them any more than the Bills?
Rex is 3-6 vs Miami
But they also havent made the playoffs (even as a wild card team) as long as Rex has been here.
Plus with the Patriots hijacking the division the entire RR era (and his history with BB), he should hate them a helluva lot more
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Now that Channing crowder is gone, what has Miami done in Rex's tenure to pee us off? They haven't won, they have pretty much split with us, so why should Rex hate them any more than the Bills?
AFC East rivals deserve an equal amount of hate.
Post by: Tommy on December 27, 2013, 03:16:36 PM
AFC East rivals deserve an equal amount of hate.
Except for the Pats. They deserve way extra hate.
Should be this:
Pats
Miami
Bills
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
Except for the Pats. They deserve way extra hate.
Should be this:
Pats
Miami
Bills
This is pretty much spot on.
Older fans generally loathe the Phins more because historically they crapped on us more. Still, since the Brady/Belichick era there hasn't been a team more worthy of pure unbridled hatred as the Patriots. And it goes both ways. Brady and Belichick are honest about how much they don't like the Jets and how they love to beat them. It's an honest-to-goodness rivalry.
Now if only we could beat those assholes.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
This is pretty much spot on.
Older fans generally loathe the Phins more because historically they crapped on us more. Still, since the Brady/Belichick era there hasn't been a team more worthy of pure unbridled hatred as the Patriots. And it goes both ways. Brady and Belichick are honest about how much they don't like the Jets and how they love to beat them. It's an honest-to-goodness rivalry.
Now if only we could beat those assholes.
That last sentence is the difference between Jets/Pats being the best rivalry in football like the steelers/Ravens and it being what it is now.
Post by: JFIF on December 27, 2013, 03:54:33 PM
Rex is 3-6 vs Miami
But they also havent made the playoffs (even as a wild card team) as long as Rex has been here.
Plus with the Patriots hijacking the division the entire RR era (and his history with BB), he should hate them a helluva lot more
We've also split with them the past 3 years.
They swept us in that gay wildcat /ted ginn 2009 season
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2013, 04:10:00 PM
That last sentence is the difference between Jets/Pats being the best rivalry in football like the steelers/Ravens and it being what it is now.
Absolutely. That doesn't change the fact that to Rex the Pats are the biggest rivalry he cares about. Hell, it probably fuels it. Rex is a happy guy when the Jets win, but he's like a kid on Christmas when they beat New England.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
Absolutely. That doesn't change the fact that to Rex the Pats are the biggest rivalry he cares about. Hell, it probably fuels it. Rex is a happy guy when the Jets win, but he's like a kid on Christmas when they beat New England.
Me too. I live in New England, patriots fans here are freaking unbearable. I get asked almost every year to go to the Jets-Pats game in Foxboro. My default response: "It wouldn't be fun for you, it wouldn't be fun for me, and I'd be out the money for the ticket when I'm kicked out or in jail
before halftime."
Post by: ons on December 27, 2013, 08:13:50 PM
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The Jets have an unusually large number of assistant coaches in the final year of their contracts, an indication that general manager John Idzik has been mulling a coaching-staff shake-up since last offseason. Soon-to-be free agents include Mike Devlin (offensive line), Karl Dunbar (defensive line), Ben Kotwica (special-teams coordinator), Sanjay Lal (wide receivers), Anthony Lynn (assistant head coach/running backs) and Dennis Thurman (defensive coordinator), sources said.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
^ had me check espn ny and her article on "core players" loving Rex is full of quotes from only David Nelson and Garrard
everything Cimini wrote about her is true
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/33860/backing-ryan
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FLORHAM PARK, NJ – If Rex Ryan isn’t coaching the Jets this time next week, there will be a lot of disappointed Jets. And not just the grinders who wouldn’t likely last into another administration, but the core guys who could be building blocks for the next incarnation of the team.
“I honestly believe in the direction we’re headed,” Nelson said. “I’ve been around coaching changes before, I know how difficult they can be. Change is never easy especially when you have 60 different personalities. And Rex has connected with these guys on a deeper level than X’s and O’s so I like the direction we’re headed and I believe in Rex Ryan.”
Ryan is a player’s coach. That means he isn’t issuing fines to guys who don’t tie a perfect Windsor knot with their suit, or who are 30 seconds late for a run-of-the-mill occurrence. Of course they’d rather play for him than a buttoned-down replacement that general manager John Idzik might be inclined to choose.
But backup quarterback David Garrard sees more practical reasons to stick with Ryan.
“You’ve got to think the rate of instant success for a first year coach is not very high,” Garrard.
The Jets will have more cap space next year, particularly if they rework or cut certain contracts like WR Santonio Holmes, QB Mark Sanchez or CB Antonio Cromartie. That means new players will likely come in, and that’s a lot of change all at once.
“It’s a matter of finding the right people,” Garrard said. “Pretty much whoever comes in is going to play for Rex that’s just how he is and how he’s loved by the guys in this locker room.”
Ryan has declined to talk about his future during the regular season, but plenty of his players have backed their coach in one form or another as the discussion of his job security gets louder.
“I know how this locker room feels and I know how I feel,” Garrard said, “and I believe everybody in here does love having Rex as head coach.”
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2013, 08:22:02 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2013, 08:24:23 PM
Related to the earlier report of Idzik looking at assistants, Cimini writes:
If they don't bring back Dunbar I will excrement down Idziks throat
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 08:26:04 PM
If they don't bring back Dunbar I will excrement down Idziks throat
If he gets rid of Dunbar im instantly putting Idzik in the bad GM category in my mind
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2013, 08:28:53 PM
If they don't bring back Dunbar I will excrement down Idziks throatI hope they don't bail on him but Dunbar can get another job anywhere if he wants to leave on his own. I don't know how tied to Rex he is now but he might decide to go elsewhere himself if Rex gets fired.
Post by: JFIF on December 27, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
No jets made the pro bowl
Polamalu made it too
What a joke
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
Polamalu made it too
What a joke
Except Polamalu was good this year
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
dcm, you're acting like Karl Dunbar is the only good defensive line coach in football. I'd like to see him back too and it makes sense to retain him because of the success of the DL, but if someone else is brought in, we'll likely see the same level of play from that unit.
Im acting like has been having excellent success with the 3-4 most important players on this team who are in their 1st 2nd and 3rd years. So firing him would be epicly freaking retarded.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 08:45:02 PM
Im acting like has been having excellent success with the 3-4 most important players on this team who are in their 1st 2nd and 3rd years. So firing him would be epicly freaking retarded.
He's not going to be fired. His contract is expiring.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 08:46:14 PM
He's not going to be fired. His contract is expiring.
Semantics
Hes either back or hes not
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 08:46:38 PM
Hes either back or hes not
Either way, the DL will be fine.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2013, 09:09:32 PM
Either way, the DL will be fine.
Well, I don't want "fine" I want epic awesomeness for years to come.
Also you are always saying the DL is great because of the high DPs, well it's even better because of Snacks, who clearly has been influenced tremendously by Dunbar, and Snacks awesome play completes our DL.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 09:10:30 PM
Also you are always saying the DL is great because of the high DPs
No, I'm always saying the DL is great because that's where the talent is.
I never thought I'd see the day that fans would complain about position coaches so much.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2013, 09:12:37 PM
No, I'm always saying the DL is great because that's where the talent is.
Yes and the talent is there because of high DPs. I'm just saying if you want some evidence that Dunbar deserves to keep his job, it's a good idea to look at Snacks rapid development into one of the leagues top Nose players.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 09:14:43 PM
Yes and the talent is there because of high DPs. I'm just saying if you want some evidence that Dunbar deserves to keep his job, it's a good idea to look at Snacks rapid development into one of the leagues top Nose players.
Leger Douzable, Kenrick Ellis, and Damon Harrison are all key players on that DL. They weren't high draft picks.
Not trying to take anything away from Damon Harrison, but it's a hell of a lot easier to play nose tackle when the players to your left and right are dominant.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2013, 09:29:44 PM
I would like to see Dunbar continue to work with Coples and Richardson, especially if Rex is no longer here.
Bottom line, Dunbar has done a great job and deserves a nice extension.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
The entire staff, no matter how good some may be, need to be elsewhere. No holdovers.
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
Karl Dunbar has done a great job, but I won't be upset if John Idzik cleans house because that's how it needs to be done with Rex Ryan gets fired.
The entire staff, no matter how good some may be, need to be elsewhere. No holdovers.
Why does it have to be done that way? If Dunbar's done a solid job, why can't he stay?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Why does it have to be done that way? If Dunbar's done a solid job, why can't he stay?
I'm not against him staying, but in my opinion, cleaning house is the way to go if/when Rex Ryan is fired.
The identity and philosophy of this team has the change if someone new takes over.
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I'm not against him staying, but in my opinion, cleaning house is the way to go if/when Rex Ryan is fired.
The identity and philosophy of this team has the change if someone new takes over.
That's fair, but I think Dunbar is detached enough from most of Ryan's regime and has his unit performing well enough that he could be kept over should a new head coach want him back.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 09:58:31 PM
Leger Douzable, Kenrick Ellis, and Damon Harrison are all key players on that DL. They weren't high draft picks.
Not trying to take anything away from Damon Harrison, but it's a hell of a lot easier to play nose tackle when the players to your left and right are dominant.
And Dunbar brought Douzable here
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
And Dunbar brought Douzable here
Yes, I know.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 09:59:54 PM
That's fair, but I think Dunbar is detached enough from most of Ryan's regime and has his unit performing well enough that he could be kept over should a new head coach want him back.
Hopefully. I've actually talked about giving Karl Dunbar a shot at being defensive coordinator here. It's time for him to get a chance somewhere.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
I'm not against him staying, but in my opinion, cleaning house is the way to go if/when Rex Ryan is fired.
The identity and philosophy of this team has the change if someone new takes over.
But Dunbar ran a 4-3 much longer with the Vikings
So we can change with him here
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:02:09 PM
But Dunbar ran a 4-3 much longer with the Vikings
So we can change with him here
Karl Dunbar teaches within the scheme that he's given. He didn't run anything in Minnesota or here.
Changing the mindset of a team behind the scenes is just as important as changing what goes on during games. With all new faces, the players start fresh too.
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
Hopefully. I've actually talked about giving Karl Dunbar a shot at being defensive coordinator here. It's time for him to get a chance somewhere.
I doubt he'd be DC if he comes back. That doesn't make much sense.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 10:03:36 PM
Karl Dunbar teaches within the scheme that he's given. He didn't run anything in Minnesota or here.
Changing the mindset of a team behind the scenes is just as important as changing what goes on during games. With all new faces, the players start fresh too.
Isnt change only a good idea when somethings bad ?
You dont hear anyone talking about changing the saints passing game or the seahawks defense
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
I doubt he'd be DC if he comes back. That doesn't make much sense.
Bob Sutton
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
You dont hear anyone talking about changing the saints passing game or the seahawks defense
What in the freak are you talking about?
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 10:06:56 PM
Bob Sutton
Damn you and your relevant examples.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 10:07:51 PM
What in the freak are you talking about?
Youre talking about changing excrement up
Im saying you dont change a good thing
We have one of if not the best young DL in the league
you dont freak with it
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:10:38 PM
Damn you and your relevant examples.
You're not wrong thinking it's unlikely. If he's one of the few that stays on from that group, he at least deserves some sort of promotion though. New contract will probably mean more money for him.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:12:13 PM
no i dont think so!
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
You're not wrong thinking it's unlikely. If he's one of the few that stays on from that group, he at least deserves some sort of promotion though. New contract will probably mean more money for him.
I could see him as a DL coach/assistant head coach.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
I could see him as a DL coach/assistant head coach.
It would probably be better than Anthony Lynn
Post by: Jumbo on December 27, 2013, 10:27:36 PM
Oh Stephen A.
Post by: JFIF on December 27, 2013, 10:31:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGaFBMtJNrM
Oh Stephen A.
Stephen A doesn't know excrement about football.
Not that he knows much about anything, but especially football. It's not like anyone respects his opinion on it
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2013, 10:33:08 PM
Stephen A doesn't know excrement about football.
Not that he knows much about anything, but especially football.
LOL @ Kris Jenkins' tweet in that video...
"the Jets just drafted another Kyle Wilson"
Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2013, 10:12:57 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2013, 10:22:42 AM
that's far more retarded than a new GM having a HC forced on him.
I disagree.
A new general manager should be able to choose who his head coach is. If they aren't on the same wave length, things will not run smoothly.
That relationship is much more important than any.
Post by: hawk on December 28, 2013, 10:29:06 AM
I disagree.
A new general manager should be able to choose who his head coach is. If they aren't on the same wave length, things will not run smoothly.
That relationship is much more important than any.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, and would be the only reason (In my mind) why Rex would be fired.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 28, 2013, 11:05:31 AM
I disagree.
A new general manager should be able to choose who his head coach is. If they aren't on the same wave length, things will not run smoothly.
That relationship is much more important than any.
This is honestly the best justification for firing Rex that has been discussed.
#KeepRex doe
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
From @KimJonesSports and me: #Jets coach Rex Ryan not getting the long-term extension he covets. Team brass will only give him 1-year deal.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 30, 2013, 04:52:16 PM
Hopefully we get a definitive answer on what the regime thinks of his future after building the offense.
Post by: JFIF on December 30, 2013, 05:06:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Jets willing to give Ryan a 1-yr extension, acc to NFL Network. However, nothing official yet, per source. Talks haven't gotten that far.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2013, 05:13:58 PM
Well that's some bull. I'd rather see him get two years but at least he's not left as a lame duck.
Hopefully we get a definitive answer on what the regime thinks of his future after building the offense.
They're being smart and cautious, like they should be.
We all know Rex is beloved by his players, but his offense has shat the bed for the last 3 seasons. It's not all unicorns and rainbows, Rex has to earn that long term job security.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2013, 05:20:10 PM
Post by: reuben on December 30, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) tweeted at 5:33 PM on Mon, Dec 30, 2013:
From @KimJonesSports and me: #Jets coach Rex Ryan not getting the long-term extension he covets. Team brass will only give him 1-year deal.
That's fine. It was nice watching the players win the last two games to get their head coach a contract extension. Now let's see them win ten to get him another one.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
Idzik: "We will have some flexibility going into free agency and the offseason." #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53s
Idzik: "We're going to use all those tools." on the free agency and the draft
fire up the shopping cart.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2013, 09:32:17 AM
Idzik: "We're going to improve the skill positions. Absolutely we're going to improve the skill positions." #Jets
thank you, sir.
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2013, 09:32:37 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Seth Walder @SethWalderNYDN 24sDid he mention his strategy for 2015 compensatory picks? Which top FAs are the Jets going to pass on to get another 7th rounder?
Idzik: "We will have some flexibility going into free agency and the offseason." #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53s
Idzik: "We're going to use all those tools." on the free agency and the draft
fire up the shopping cart.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2013, 09:35:05 AM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 34s
Idzik: "We're going to improve the skill positions. Absolutely we're going to improve the skill positions." #Jets
thank you, sir.
Thank. freak.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 09:35:20 AM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 34s
Idzik: "We're going to improve the skill positions. Absolutely we're going to improve the skill positions." #Jets
thank you, sir.
Starting with extending Holmes!
Post by: NDMick on December 31, 2013, 09:37:42 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Starting with extending Holmes!
even if it were sarcasm, you should be kicked in the dong for saying that.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
even if it were sarcasm, you should be kicked in the dong for saying that.
Well obviously i meant after we take care of Winslow being a jet for life.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2013, 09:39:05 AM
He just said in the presser, which is live, that "they'll get to FA and the draft." Right now they're "focusing on the task at hand." I can imagine that means signing the paperwork for Rex and having a couple of weeks off before decisions are made on personnel and draft strategy.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 21m
Idzik first priority: Evaluating the season. Conducting exit interviews with players, coaches. #Jets
Post by: NDMick on December 31, 2013, 09:53:53 AM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 21m
Idzik first priority: Evaluating the season. Conducting exit interviews with players, coaches. #Jets
I missed the first 20 minutes of the presser, so that makes more sense than the half sentence I heard.
I makes more sense why he said he'll get to the draft and FA later.
I'm interested to see who is coming in to replace the position coaches.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2013, 10:18:37 AM
Perception in Jets bldg 2 wks ago: brass contacted O'Brien, Lovie Smith camps. Not saying they did or didn't. But that was what staff heard.
let the rumor mongering commence.....
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2013, 10:20:21 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 31, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
I have no problem with due dilligence. It sucks and it's a bit of "betrayal" to Rex, but the fact is, that's the nature of the business of the NFL. We don't complain when a team looks at new options at player positions, so why should we be shocked if a team attempts to upgrade a coaching position?
Writers just need something to write about. I love that Rex and Idzik gave them absolutely nothing in the closing presser.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2013, 10:55:02 AM
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
I'd totally nail that horse-faced giantess. I mean...what?
(http://brightcove04.o.brightcove.com/260701700001/260701700001_756436920001_still.jpg)
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2013, 10:58:31 AM
Woody and Idzik said they made the decision two weeks ago that Rex was the right guy for the job to them. If they reached out to those other camps right before that, they clearly didn't hear the kind of answers that would convince you to fire your current coach.
I have no problem with due dilligence. It sucks and it's a bit of "betrayal" to Rex, but the fact is, that's the nature of the business of the NFL. We don't complain when a team looks at new options at player positions, so why should we be shocked if a team attempts to upgrade a coaching position?
Writers just need something to write about. I love that Rex and Idzik gave them absolutely nothing in the closing presser.
Exactly. Rex understands that the NFL is a business. It's not like he's been with the team 10 years and won multiple championships.
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2013, 10:58:48 AM
(http://brightcove04.o.brightcove.com/260701700001/260701700001_756436920001_still.jpg)
And that's a "good" picture of her. Yech.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2013, 11:12:08 AM
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
My irresistable urge to nail Maggie Gyllenhal tells me my taste in women can be rather odd.
She sort of did it for me in that movie Secretary.
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2013, 11:19:58 AM
My irresistable urge to nail Maggie Gyllenhal tells me my taste in women can be rather odd.
Threeway with horse-face and turtle-face?
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2013, 11:41:45 AM
Threeway with horse-face and turtle-face?
Turtleface has great hips. I'm down.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 04:24:38 PM
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 5h
Guard Willie Colon seemed upset after game and didn't talk to reporters Sunday or Monday. Here's why: He tore a bicep, per source. #Jets
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 4h
Lousy timing for Willie Colon, who will be a free agent. Recovery time will go into free agency period. Had a good yr for #Jets.
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This actually increases the chance of him being back next year.
Gonna have a hard time joining a new team, wouldn't be surprised to see him back on a 1 year vet min deal. While giving Winters many of his camp/preseason snaps
Post by: hawk on December 31, 2013, 04:51:46 PM
Jenny Vrentas @JennyVrentas 10m
Perception in Jets bldg 2 wks ago: brass contacted O'Brien, Lovie Smith camps. Not saying they did or didn't. But that was what staff heard.
let the rumor mongering commence.....
Doing their due diligence is a prudent thing to do. Ultimately, I believe they made the right choice with Rex.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 04:55:03 PM
Doing their due diligence is a prudent thing to do. Ultimately, I believe they made the right choice with Rex.
Didn't Woody say they made their mind up over a month ago though?
Post by: MoreCharacters on December 31, 2013, 04:55:59 PM
She sort of did it for me in that movie Secretariat.
BLAMMO
Post by: hawk on December 31, 2013, 04:59:38 PM
Didn't Woody say they made their mind up over a month ago though?
Would you believe Woody if he said the grass was blue and sky was green also?
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
Would you believe Woody if he said the grass was blue and sky was green also?
I believe he wouldn't publicly say something that could be relatively easily be proved a lie.
If the Jets legitimately were interested in whatever coaches and took measures to look into their viability I'm sure it's more than possible for someone in the media to find out.
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2013, 05:05:22 PM
BLAMMO
Hahaha oh excrement
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2013, 05:47:50 PM
Would you believe Woody if he said the grass was blue and sky was green also?
(http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2010/09/22/aphoto_t470.JPG)
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2013, 05:52:44 PM
This actually increases the chance of him being back next year.
It also increases the chances of him being even worse in 2014. Bringing him back as depth is not a bad move though.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
It also increases the chances of him being even worse in 2014. Bringing him back as depth is not a bad move though.
Well hed most likely be competing with whoever. Far from a lock to start on what will likely be close to a vet min contract. Him Winters + a future addition competing for 2 spots wouldnt be horrible assuming the +1 is someone good
Post by: JFIF on December 31, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
never heard that before. that's great
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2013, 06:23:05 PM
Well hed most likely be competing with whoever. Far from a lock to start on what will likely be close to a vet min contract. Him Winters + a future addition competing for 2 spots wouldnt be horrible assuming the +1 is someone good
I'd like us to add at least two new guards. Free agency first, then the draft if we don't address it fully.
Lauvao and Asamoah would be an incredible haul. Then Colon and Winters can provide strong depth. Both of them can play right tackle too.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
I'd like us to add at least two new guards. Free agency first, then the draft if we don't address it fully.
Lauvao and Asamoah would be an incredible haul. Then Colon and Winters can provide strong depth. Both of them can play right tackle too.
Id strongly doubt the Jets sign Colon and 2 new guards.
I think the best we could hope for is Colon + one FA then a mid round pick
Of course its possible they move on from Colon completely, then I guess anythings possible. But I think Colon is a good way for the front office to save some cash on a decent option (because he is decent) and then spend more wherever they see fit.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2013, 07:44:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2013, 08:57:34 PM
Post by: JFIF on December 31, 2013, 09:10:02 PM
Did we all forget about the 8000 yards in penalties that Colon gave up this year? He might not have given up as many sacks as Winters but in his own way he was still awful.
no he wasn't.
He was probably the best run blocker on the team. The right side was the most consistent side of the line in Howard and Colon.
yeah he definitely had some bad penalties in the first 4-5 games and a couple thereafter, but he played pretty solid. Both from the eye test and PFF gradings.
Colon's problem was always his health, not his play. He managed to make it through 16 games which was a miracle...unfortunately that Bicep injury was the law of averages with him
Post by: JFIF on December 31, 2013, 09:16:21 PM
So that's 10 accepted penalties, 5 of which were false starts and 5 of which were offensive holding or illegal use of hands. That is probably on the higher end but it's not as bad as it seems.
The false starts were largely a product of working with a new offensive line and new QB. He cut down on penalties, especially false starts, towards the latter half of the season. He was only flagged twice in their last 6 games
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
Did we all forget about the 8000 yards in penalties that Colon gave up this year? He might not have given up as many sacks as Winters but in his own way he was still awful.
Yeah, penalties aren't as bad as sacks, but they can still derail a drive.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 01, 2014, 12:09:55 AM
I've thought Winters had looked pretty good in run blocking at times towards the end of the year. Bring back Howard, splurge on JA, bring back Colon on the cheap to compete/form depth with Winters at the other spot. That'd make a pretty damn solid line.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 01, 2014, 01:31:13 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2014, 10:39:31 AM
I bet Dalton Freeman sticks around as a legit backup to Mangold. I believe he has a little versatility along then line too. Buh bye Schlauderaff. The Matt Flynn of centers.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 01, 2014, 11:01:24 AM
I wonder if any of these lineman on the practice squad have a chance to compete to play this year? I guess the best we can hope for is a backup.
I bet Dalton Freeman sticks around as a legit backup to Mangold. I believe he has a little versatility along then line too. Buh bye Schlauderaff. The Matt Flynn of centers.
LOL, teh freak?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
LOL, teh freak?. He has a job here undeservedly. Bad comparison but you get the point.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 01, 2014, 11:11:10 AM
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2014, 03:22:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 01, 2014, 03:28:30 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 01, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
Post by: reuben on January 01, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
Colon was called for 12 penalties this year. 1 was declined (the penalty he had the other day), 1 was for that Talib scrum at the end of the first Patriots game.
So that's 10 accepted penalties, 5 of which were false starts and 5 of which were offensive holding or illegal use of hands. That is probably on the higher end but it's not as bad as it seems.
It's the second highest total of any offensive lineman in the league for 2013. (Derek Newton, 13-1 / PFF)
It's pretty bad.
EDIT: Scratch that, read it wrong: Newton had 13, but six declined. Colon's got the number one spot.
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2014, 08:42:47 PM
Can't we just have a normal offseason. Two days in, and here come the dickpics.
I doubt the story picks up much steam.
Post by: IATA on January 01, 2014, 09:03:23 PM
I doubt the story picks up much steam.
It will once I email this to Mike Francesca.
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2014, 09:04:37 PM
It will once I email this to Mike Francesca.
"Come awn, Geno, get outta heah witda dicks. Utta nonsense."
Post by: reuben on January 01, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2014, 09:59:42 PM
"Eli wudda neffa done dis. Eli dussint even take his dick out in the bafroom. Back afta dis."
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3oj98Yyz11qf165d.jpg)
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 02, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
"All this talking & texting, he NEVER mentioned a girlfriend."
This marks the first time all year Geno looked off his primary receiver.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 02, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
best deadspin comment:
"All this talking & texting, he NEVER mentioned a girlfriend."
This marks the first time all year Geno looked off his primary receiver.
Amazing.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 02, 2014, 09:54:53 AM
best deadspin comment:
"All this talking & texting, he NEVER mentioned a girlfriend."
This marks the first time all year Geno looked off his primary receiver.
That is gold.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2014, 09:59:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
With Cutler signed, QB trade/free agent market will be slim: McCown, Vick, Schaub, Cousins, Mallett, Sanchez, etc
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2014, 12:38:46 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 05, 2014, 04:27:34 PM
Post by: reuben on January 05, 2014, 10:45:59 PM
http://deadspin.com/rex-ryan-waits-in-airport-wears-all-orange-sweatsuit-1494957226
Welcome to the New York Jets, Mr. Watkins.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Welcome to the New York Jets, Mr. Watkins.
Martavis Bryant entered today too
I really hope Ryan doesn't push for Tajh Boyd if he falls in the draft a bit.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 06, 2014, 05:10:25 AM
Martavis Bryant entered today too
I really hope Ryan doesn't push for Tajh Boyd if he falls in the draft a bit.
What would be "falling a bit" for Tajh Boyd, a QB who is turnover prone in college games against high levels of competition, one who could be considered anti-clutch, one who has played with at least 3 NFL talents at WR for the last two seasons, two of which are going to be 1st rounders in Hopkins and Watkins.
I gotta believe Boyd is like a 4th round guy IMO.
Post by: reuben on January 07, 2014, 12:18:38 AM
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Jets signed CB Ras-I Dowling to a reserve/future contract.
Dowling has been a complete bust since the Patriots made him the 33rd overall pick in the 2011 draft, appearing in nine career games and enduring countless injuries. Rex Ryan is a master at getting the most out of defenders, however, and Dowling has ability. He will spend the offseason program as a Jet.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2014, 12:42:15 AM
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2014, 10:58:31 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/1ukwef/debate_besides_wr_te_what_player_would_you_be/cejn15m
Post by: Miamipuck on January 09, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 09, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
He has similar dimensions to Cromartie and would fill our need at corner.
Plus hes a WR so he would be good at interceptions !
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2014, 03:48:37 PM
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2014, 04:30:09 PM
Maybe we could convert Hill to cornerback.
He has similar dimensions to Cromartie and would fill our need at corner.
Plus hes a WR so he would be good at interceptions !
Don't even lie, you would have made the OP a year ago.
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Post by: reuben on January 09, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
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As Jets fans know, some of our deserving players didn't get initial invitations to the Pro Bowl and at the moment, no one is guaranteed to represent the Green & White in the all-star game, although DE Muhammad Wilkerson and C Nick Mangold are both first alternates and CB Antonio Cromartie is a second alternate.
Let me try to wrap my head around this...
Flowers is out of the Pro Bowl with a concussion, correct? Meaning the first alternate gets his spot?
Does that mean that if either Richard Sherman or Aqib Talib get injured or opt out of the PB after securing a Super Bowl berth, Antonio Cromartie goes to the Pro Bowl?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 09, 2014, 06:58:04 PM
Post by: hawk on January 09, 2014, 06:59:31 PM
wat
http://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/1ukwef/debate_besides_wr_te_what_player_would_you_be/cejn15m
Pack on some weight? Have to be a minimum of 35 - 40 lbs? LOL
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2014, 07:08:09 PM
What in the clear blue freak? Did anyone else know about this? (http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/Jets-Fans-Look-to-the-Offseason-Sked-Ahead/1edacf10-0b50-4cb2-9e4b-a20e38bbb6cd)
Let me try to wrap my head around this...
Flowers is out of the Pro Bowl with a concussion, correct? Meaning the first alternate gets his spot?
Does that mean that if either Richard Sherman or Aqib Talib get injured or opt out of the PB after securing a Super Bowl berth, Antonio Cromartie goes to the Pro Bowl?
I was not aware of this.
Name rec, babby.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 09, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
Pack on some weight? Have to be a minimum of 35 - 40 lbs? LOL
I made the gravy comment. I also had a bad day so I really blasted him in my second post, freak that dumb freak.
Post by: JFIF on January 09, 2014, 08:36:35 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 09, 2014, 08:41:48 PM
the common saying is that you make the pro bowl 2-3 years after you earned it.
As long as the guy plays well for my team, I couldn't care less if he ever gets a Pro Bowl nod.
Post by: hawk on January 09, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
I made the gravy comment. I also had a bad day so I really blasted him in my second post, freak that dumb freak.
Just read them. LOL
Post by: reuben on January 09, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
As long as the guy plays well for my team, I couldn't care less if he ever gets a Pro Bowl nod.
Yeah, I agree. I just think it's funny that despite fielding the best defensive line in the league, our sole pro bowl representative might be one of the worst cornerbacks of 2013. Go figure.
Post by: Koz on January 10, 2014, 09:03:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2014, 09:46:09 AM
The New York Jets faced many challenges in 2013 -- a turnover-prone rookie at quarterback, seven new starters on defense, etc. One thing they didn't have to confront: A spate of injuries.
They were the healthiest team in the league, according to a study by Dallas Morning News football writer Rick Gosselin. The Jets lost a league-low 20 games by starters due to injury, including only five on defense. That, too, was the league-low.
The study doesn't reflect Mark Sanchez's season-ending shoulder surgery in the preseason. That would've been another 16 games lost if you operate under the presumption he would've been the opening-day starter. As you know, Rex Ryan never named a starting quarterback. Still hasn't.
The Jets got hit at wide receiver, where they lost Santonio Holmes (five games) and Stephen Hill (four). But, all things considered, they were extraordinarily fortunate when it came to injuries. Good thing, too, because they probably didn't have enough depth in certain areas.
On defense, they lost cornerback Dee Milliner and outside linebacker Quinton Coples for three and two games, respectively, providing continuity that allowed the coaches to integrate seven new starters. General manager John Idzik needs to fortify the team's depth in his second offseason because, honestly, what are the chances to staying this healthy in 2014?
In case you're wondering, the most injury-prone team was the New York Giants, which lost a league-high 91 games by starters, including 26 on the offensive line.
Post by: JFIF on January 11, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
But overall, yeah...we didn't have the major season ending injuries that plague a lot of teams. Goodson, barnes and sanchez were the 3.
Unfortunately, a high concentration of those injuries were at the skill positions along with Winslow's suspension so that doesn't exactly paint the whole picture.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2014, 11:01:17 AM
That number is skewed a bit by the loss of Antwan Barnes....since I guess they technically don't consider him a starter despite the fact he played a good amount of snaps.
But overall, yeah...we didn't have the major season ending injuries that plague a lot of teams. Goodson, barnes and sanchez were the 3.
Unfortunately, a high concentration of those injuries were at the skill positions along with Winslow's suspension so that doesn't exactly paint the whole picture.
exactly. what the article doesn't mention is that we would have been 12-4 with Sanchez.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2014, 12:40:44 PM
Jets still haven't offered extensions to any of the at least half-dozen asst. coaches on staff, and they're now free to talk to other teams.
Anyone we especially give a excrement about?
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2014, 12:41:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
Dunbar.
Hmm. How much of the DL's success is down to him and how much of it is down to the fact that it's stacked with ridiculous talent?
Post by: reuben on January 11, 2014, 12:46:32 PM
Hmm. How much of the DL's success is down to him and how much of it is down to the fact that it's stacked with ridiculous talent?
Being drafted in the 1st round doesn't guarantee a player's success. Aside from that, an undrafted free agent is the best nose tackle in football after his second year in the league.
Dunbar's the real deal.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2014, 12:51:02 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2014, 12:52:53 PM
Being drafted in the 1st round doesn't guarantee a player's success. Aside from that, an undrafted free agent is the best nose tackle in football after his second year in the league.
Dunbar's the real deal.
I think Snacks development is reason enough to say Dunbar has been huge for us. And frankly who knows how good Sheldon and MoWilk would be without Dunbar?
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2014, 01:58:18 PM
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
Unless Dunbar gets offered a promotion there's no reason for him not to be here next tear.
(http://i.imgur.com/9ibAYLP.gif)
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2014, 02:40:58 PM
Hmm. How much of the DL's success is down to him and how much of it is down to the fact that it's stacked with ridiculous talent?
He's had success everywhere. It has a lot to do with him too.
I don't think we'll see a lot of drop off if someone else comes in, but I'd rather not risk it.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
not worried about keeping Dunbar. As long as Rex is still here, our DL will be in good hands.
Ryan needs to worry about coaching the entire team, not just the position he's passionate about.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2014, 02:58:31 PM
Ryan needs to worry about coaching the entire team, not just the position he's passionate about.
I agree he needs to coach the entire team.
But we can also agree that it's most likely not going to happen.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2014, 03:03:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2014, 03:16:48 PM
The point is that there's no good reason not to try not to retain Dunbar.
of course an effort should be made.
But the DL won't go in the toilet if he isn't retained either....too much talent there. Dunbar is expendable.
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2014, 03:59:17 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3h
Jets still haven't offered extensions to any of the at least half-dozen asst. coaches on staff, and they're now free to talk to other teams.
Anyone we especially give a excrement about?
Right or Wrong, I think it would behoove the Jets to keep some consistency for Geno Smith's direct coaches (QB coach).
I am not sold on Mornhinweg, but again continuity. What is his official role? I don't see him as a head coach candidate, but a lateral move maybe?
Other than that, who gives a freak.
Edit: forgot my Dunbar agreement. I agree with Dunbar.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2014, 04:03:41 PM
Right or Wrong, I think it would behoove the Jets to keep some consistency for Geno Smith's direct coaches (QB coach).
I am not sold on Mornhinweg, but again continuity. What is his official role? I don't see him as a head coach candidate, but a lateral move maybe?
Marty Mornhinweg is under contract, I think.
If not, I'd be okay with him moving on if Idzik isn't sold on Smith. We're going to be reloading on offense anyway.
Continuity would be great for Smith, but if they don't plan on sticking with him, then try to get better.
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2014, 04:15:01 PM
Marty Mornhinweg is under contract, I think.
If not, I'd be okay with him moving on if Idzik isn't sold on Smith. We're going to be reloading on offense anyway.
Continuity would be great for Smith, but if they don't plan on sticking with him, then try to get better.
He can still move laterally if offered, say, a Asst HC title correct?
I am going on the premise that Smith will be under center next year, until we are proven otherwise. Simply for sanity sake.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2014, 04:17:54 PM
He can still move laterally if offered, say, a Asst HC title correct?
I am going on the premise that Smith will be under center next year, until we are proven otherwise. Simply for sanity sake.
I don't think Mornhinweg did a good enough job for us to care if he goes elsewhere.
Look at who we're comparing him to: Brian Schottenheimer and Tony Sparano
Keeping things the same for Geno Smith makes plenty of sense and it's very realistic, but if he wants to leave, it's fine with me. We can do better.
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2014, 04:26:41 PM
I don't think Mornhinweg did a good enough job for us to care if he goes elsewhere.
Look at who we're comparing him to: Brian Schottenheimer and Tony Sparano
Keeping things the same for Geno Smith makes plenty of sense and it's very realistic, but if he wants to leave, it's fine with me. We can do better.
We are on the same page. However, I don't see an immediate upgrade that won't come with a learning curve, which I don't think would benefit the Jets right now. It is possible that a different OC and staff could even help Smith more than sticking with the current staff, but unlikely.
If we go a different direction at QB, I am all for a change. I really, really want a consistent play caller that will call for situation, and I struggle with a lot of decisions from MM.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
Cimini thinks that the assistants' contracts don't expire until Feb 1.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2014, 08:05:58 PM
So Schefter is just an idiot then?
I don't know. Maybe Idzik told them they could go out and look for other jobs?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2014, 08:52:53 PM
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As of right now, the Jets haven't made an offer to any of the assistant coaches with expiring contracts. That group is believed to include offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman.
http://www.sportsmedia101.com/newyorkjets/2014/01/11/new-york-jets-assistant-coaches-without-contracts-free-to-speak-with-other-nfl-teams/
And that was posted after the Schefter tweet (they actually wrote it because of the tweet)
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
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Jake Steinberg @Steiny31
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To go off Schefter's tweet, #Jets ST coach Ben Kotwica met with new Army head coach Jeff Monken last Thursday to discuss joining his staff.
And from The Jets blog
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Still, the deadline for exclusive negotiations has passed.
Obviously Bassett isnt the greatest source but it makes sense.
And reports
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I don’t know all the names of the expiring contracts but DC Dennis Thurman, RB coach Anthony Lynn, DL coach Karl Dunbar, WR coach Sanjay Lal and STC Ben Kotwica were among those names.
http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/buzz-status-of-jets-assistant-coacehs-becoming-more-uncertain/
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/buzz-status-of-jets-assistant-coacehs-becoming-more-uncertain/
Nice url, TJB.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
ST was pretty mediocre this season, can't say I give a excrement about Kotwica.
Yeah. He's the kind of guy one would call expendable.
Post by: JFIF on January 11, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 11, 2014, 11:41:04 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 12, 2014, 04:44:11 AM
The Jets special teams was not mediocre, it was flat out awful. Special teams was bottom 5 of the league in everything in totality.
Has been for two years, need to improve there in a big way next season, we need a returner (Mccluster?) and some coverage guys, I think Bellore, Trufant and Lankster are about the only guys worth keeping from the unit as a whole.
Oh and for a team that has relied so much on field position for the Rex era, do you think we could get a god damned punter in here?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2014, 09:27:48 AM
Has been for two years, need to improve there in a big way next season, we need a returner (Mccluster?) and some coverage guys, I think Bellore, Trufant and Lankster are about the only guys worth keeping from the unit as a whole.
I'm hoping the Jets get a new ST backer and defensive back through late round picks or UDFAs.
For some reason, Kotwica was okay with Nick Bellore and Garrett McIntyre on special teams. Solid special teams players, but neither is a burner. Get some more athletes out there.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 12, 2014, 09:41:07 AM
I'm hoping the Jets get a new ST backer and defensive back through late round picks or UDFAs.
For some reason, Kotwica was okay with Nick Bellore and Garrett McIntyre on special teams. Solid special teams players, but neither is a burner. Get some more athletes out there.
I'd say aside from Folk, Bellore was our best ST guy. particularly on punt team, he seemed to have at least one tackle a game.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2014, 10:20:42 AM
Im not saying Kotwica is great, but I mean we had to cut McKnight because hes a head case. Goodson ended up on IR. Cromartie was hurt all year so we didnt want to use him in special teams really. Kerley was hurt so he missed action on special teams/mightve been extra conservative. Cribbs ended up on IR, Gates ended up on IR.
Just a lot of special teams injuries in general.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
Didnt we lose like quite a few core special teamers though ?
Im not saying Kotwica is great, but I mean we had to cut McKnight because hes a head case. Goodson ended up on IR. Cromartie was hurt all year so we didnt want to use him in special teams really. Kerley was hurt so he missed action on special teams/mightve been extra conservative. Cribbs ended up on IR, Gates ended up on IR.
Just a lot of special teams injuries in general.
There's more to special teams than the return man.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2014, 10:28:46 AM
There's more to special teams than the return man.
I know, but the return man definitely contributes to overall special teams performance quite a bit.
And our 4 leading special teams tacklers last year was Davis, Bush, Lankster, and Bellore. I think outside of Bellore the other 3 guys were more significantly relied upon to contribute on defense this year than special teams.
With all the comp picks and what not this year, we definitely shouldnt have any excuses to not have an improved special teams unit next year.
Also for some reason I thought that we used Hill a bit on special teams coverage units (when he is actually healthy) who was also hurt much of this year
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2014, 10:33:06 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2014, 10:38:44 AM
And lets remember that special teams last year under Westhoff was truly HORRENDOUS, and Westhoff is/was one of the best special teams coaches in the league. And hes said it several times that that was one of the least talented special teams groups hes ever had in his career.
So I think it might be a little hasty to just jump the gun and let Kotwica walk, without giving him at least a little time to improve the unit. Especially with a new GM who hopefully is more interested in building depth throughout an entire roster than the previous regimen
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
Yeah I just checked. That blocked punt was because Reuland just ended up on IR (another special teams injury) and we were forced to put Sudfeld (fresh off the street) in there in his place. Sudfeld fucked up, and there you go blocked punt.
And lets remember that special teams last year under Westhoff was truly HORRENDOUS, and Westhoff is/was one of the best special teams coaches in the league. And hes said it several times that that was one of the least talented special teams groups hes ever had in his career.
So I think it might be a little hasty to just jump the gun and let Kotwica walk, without giving him at least a little time to improve the unit. Especially with a new GM who hopefully is more interested in building depth throughout an entire roster than the previous regimen
Regime, not regimen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2014, 03:41:42 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
Has been for two years, need to improve there in a big way next season, we need a returner (Mccluster?) and some coverage guys, I think Bellore, Trufant and Lankster are about the only guys worth keeping from the unit as a whole.
Oh and for a team that has relied so much on field position for the Rex era, do you think we could get a god damned punter in here?
Believe it or not the Jets special teams has sucked donkey balls since mid 2011. That's a result of Tannenbaum's 3 player drafts every year and poor coaching.
One of my main complaints with Idzik, Tannenbaum, Rex and all the other idiots in charge of this team. How the freak can you have a team with no skill players offensively, a good defense and have a excrement punting game? That's about the most freaking retarded thing I have ever seen. The Jets are a Defense, run first team, but lets not give 3 fucks about the battle for field position. freaking freaking freaking freaking stupid. That excrement costs games.
Post by: WW85 on January 12, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
We need to get an all-purpose player, Ladarius Perkins or Dri Archer would be a good start.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
Agree, ST have been terrible. I want a decent punter.
We need to get an all-purpose player, Ladarius Perkins or Dri Archer would be a good start.
De'Anthony Thomas would be a big pick up for us.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2014, 06:04:41 PM
Post by: Laxin on January 12, 2014, 08:10:40 PM
De'Anthony Thomas would be a big pick up for us.
I'd love Thomas in the 3rd (honestly not sure where his stock is now). He's exactly what we are missing at the RB position- dynamic pass-catching back that can excel as a return man and has ability to play some WR. He'd be a great compliment to the current backfield.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
cutting Robert Malone was the end of the last great jets punting regimen.
It's like you guys are using the wrong word on purpose.
Post by: Laxin on January 12, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2014, 04:37:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2014, 04:44:09 PM
Today is Nick Mangold's 30th birthday.he's old, cut him.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2014, 08:12:52 PM
RIP Sanchez
Post by: Jumbo on January 13, 2014, 11:10:20 PM
How well can you guys do?
I got 18/28
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2014, 11:26:27 PM
http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/nyjetsqbs
How well can you guys do?
I got 18/28
22/28
I was only annoyed by 1 or 2 of the ones I missed. The rest were complete nobodies.
Post by: Tommy on January 14, 2014, 12:14:14 AM
Missed guys like Brooks Bollinger, Tim Tebow, and Brad Smith, though I don't remember the last two ever starting a game as QB.
Post by: Nope. on January 14, 2014, 12:29:43 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2014, 05:24:43 AM
15/28
Missed guys like Brooks Bollinger, Tim Tebow, and Brad Smith, though I don't remember the last two ever starting a game as QB.
Neither Tebow nor Brad Smith started games at QB, let alone Tebow twice and Brad 17 times. Something is fucked up.
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2014, 06:28:28 AM
The only ones I missed that I should have gotten were Nagle and Ryan.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2014, 06:34:11 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 14, 2014, 09:35:59 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2014, 09:39:32 AM
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2014, 09:42:56 AM
NFW am I playing that.
You'd probably get around the same number I got.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2014, 10:02:30 AM
You'd probably get around the same number I got.
I got 22. The others are too obscure for me.
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2014, 10:30:36 AM
I got 22. The others are too obscure for me.
Told you you'd get the same number as me.
Yeah, I don't know anything about guys like Jack Trudeau.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2014, 10:33:52 AM
Told you you'd get the same number as me.
Yeah, I don't know anything about guys like Jack Trudeau.
I blanked initially on Mirer, Esiason and Brunell.
Brunell never started I wasted a minute on that....lol
Post by: ons on January 14, 2014, 11:29:31 AM
He probably won't amount to anything for us, but he's still under contract so still worth paying some attention to.
Post by: Laxin on January 14, 2014, 12:17:53 PM
Neither Tebow nor Brad Smith started games at QB, let alone Tebow twice and Brad 17 times. Something is fucked up.
Maybe the number of games Tebow and Smith attempted a pass?
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Maybe the number of games Tebow and Smith attempted a pass?
Then Kingsbury would have been on the list.
Tebow and Smith made it because they started on offense a couple times and were listed as QBs on the roster. The guy who made the quiz ought to have removed them though.
This is what PFR gives me: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1977&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&c1stat=gs&c1comp=gt&c1val=1&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=gs&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2014, 12:25:30 PM
Who do you want to see back in Green & White? Read more on the Jets potential free agents: http://bit.ly/1hmxfFO pic.twitter.com/Xx0LPYLkgl
Well, I suppose it's one way of setting your 2014 roster. Not sure that a poll of Jets fans on Twitter is going to give us the best answer, but it's novel.
Post by: Tommy on January 14, 2014, 05:09:29 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2014, 06:29:36 PM
They should hire us as an advisory committee.
I know you are kidding, but talk about a freaking awesome job, to be in the GM's inner circle deciding FA's to go after based on price tag. That excrement would be one of the best jobs I could have.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2014, 10:15:56 PM
ST was pretty mediocre this season, can't say I give a excrement about Kotwica.
Interviewed with Washington today. He apparently has an offer from the Jets, but it seems that neither side is completely committed to the other.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
Post by: NDMick on January 14, 2014, 11:59:36 PM
I am all for getting rid of Kotwica don't let the door hit his derriere on the way out. Special teams sucked balls last year freak him.
Westhoff even said that the ST personnel was bad. It didn't matter who the ST coordinator was, the unit wasn't going to do well.
I'm not defending Kotwica, I'm just making the point that no one was doing well with this group. Just like the Jets offense.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 15, 2014, 05:13:02 AM
Westhoff even said that the ST personnel was bad. It didn't matter who the ST coordinator was, the unit wasn't going to do well.
I'm not defending Kotwica, I'm just making the point that no one was doing well with this group. Just like the Jets offense.
True, but I feel like it is a lot easier to jettison poor ST guys, and bring in better ones. I'm not talking specialists, but finding half way decent blockers and mid-line tacklers.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 15, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2014, 09:10:25 AM
Can someone host the Jets one on imgur and post it here? KSK is blocked at work for me.
Post by: ons on January 15, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/01/nfl-logos-hipsters.html
Can someone host the Jets one on imgur and post it here? KSK is blocked at work for me.
Its just the Jets oval superimposed with a big 'U' and then 'probably never heard of us'.
Not worth the effort.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2014, 10:34:31 AM
Its just the Jets oval superimposed with a big 'U' and then 'probably never heard of us'.
Not worth the effort.
That's disappointing.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 15, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
If he gets the job, I expect him to win no more than five games a season with that program.
Post by: Coach K on January 15, 2014, 01:45:11 PM
Former NYJ OC and current STL OC Brian Schottenheimer is interviewing for the Vanderbilt coaching job.
If he gets the job, I expect him to win no more than five games a season with that program.
You mean trying to re invent the wheel in route design while being completely out recruited won't work?
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
You mean trying to re invent the wheel in route design while being completely out recruited won't work?
You just gave him an idea.
2014: The year of the wheel route
Post by: casman02 on January 16, 2014, 05:52:32 AM
You think Revis wearing a Batman onesie?
Post by: Badger on January 16, 2014, 09:07:06 AM
(http://distilleryimage11.ak.instagram.com/5e3c528c7e5511e3a98f0ea8daf3f523_8.jpg)
You think Revis wearing a Batman onesie?
You mean a Robin onesie.
Post by: Badger on January 16, 2014, 02:10:20 PM
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As you may know, teams hosting the Super Bowl receive a very limited number of tickets from the National Football League for distribution. An allotment of tickets was set aside to conduct a random drawing for all 2013 Jets Season Ticket Holders in good standing. Additional tickets are being distributed to players, coaches, staff, business partners, and other key stakeholders.
Unfortunately, your account was not selected in this drawing.
We wish that we had enough Super Bowl tickets to accommodate all of our loyal Season Ticket Holders. Unfortunately, the League's allocation of tickets makes that impossible.
We look forward to seeing you back at MetLife Stadium next season, and hope to see you in the coming months at other events and exclusive Season Ticket Holder opportunities.
Sincerely,
The New York Jets
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 16, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
Post by: Badger on January 16, 2014, 02:22:08 PM
Where, exactly, are all the benefits that are supposed to come with being a PSL holder?
For the record, only season tickets in the lower level or mezzanine required PSLs. So we didn't have to get them.
I can't sincerely say there are any benefits, but if I tried to play devil's advocate... your seats become transferable (you can pass them on to your children or whoever you want), they can also be resold (though I doubt anyone has ever profited off such a sale, despite PSLs being marketed as investments there was explicit language in the contract that they were not intended to be seen as such, not to mention the value of Jets season tickets has probably decreased every year since 2011).
Turns out I'm not a good devil's advocate.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 16, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
Where, exactly, are all the benefits that are supposed to come with being a PSL holder?
The benefits of a PSL is they benefit the schmuck that overpaid for the stadium thus allowing said schmuck to keep the franchise in place so the fan that didn't give out ridiculous inflated contracts to the unions so they can build a drab battleship gray hunk of excrement but nevertheless got anally violated in the process can continue to get anally violated in perpetuity and then pass said violation onto his ancestors and have them be violated anally till Star Trek is a reality. Capitalism babbie!
Post by: Johnny English on January 16, 2014, 04:24:30 PM
Where, exactly, are all the benefits that are supposed to come with being a PSL holder?
If you bought a PSL thinking you were in some way going to be guaranteed a Super Bowl ticket then something something bridges. I don't know the exact mechanics of how it works, but I am presuming that Super Bowl ticketing is managed by the NFL, not the operating company of MetLife Stadium. Why would you think that PSLs have any relation to tickets for a game that the Jets are not involved in?
Post by: Badger on January 16, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
If you bought a PSL thinking you were in some way going to be guaranteed a Super Bowl ticket then something something bridges. I don't know the exact mechanics of how it works, but I am presuming that Super Bowl ticketing is managed by the NFL, not the operating company of MetLife Stadium. Why would you think that PSLs have any relation to tickets for a game that the Jets are not involved in?
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As you may know, teams hosting the Super Bowl receive a very limited number of tickets from the National Football League for distribution. An allotment of tickets was set aside to conduct a random drawing for all 2013 Jets Season Ticket Holders in good standing. Additional tickets are being distributed to players, coaches, staff, business partners, and other key stakeholders.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 16, 2014, 05:29:30 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 16, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/17/5318594/ny-jets-vernon-gholston-unsung-hero
Post by: Tommy on January 19, 2014, 12:53:14 AM
Vernon Gholston, Unsung Hero
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/17/5318594/ny-jets-vernon-gholston-unsung-hero
That's pretty fuckn' crazy. Our best 3 year stretch in the history of the franchise were Gholston's three years here.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 19, 2014, 08:53:15 AM
That's pretty fuckn' crazy. Our best 3 year stretch in the history of the franchise were Gholston's three years here.
Just imagine if he was even remotely useful...
Post by: Tommy on January 19, 2014, 09:03:29 AM
Just imagine if he was even remotely useful...
He could have gotten to Peyton and Big Ben...
:-[
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
Vernon Gholston, Unsung Hero
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/17/5318594/ny-jets-vernon-gholston-unsung-hero
The poll at the bottom of that article is great.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 19, 2014, 10:23:57 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/34704/sunday-notes-a-spy-in-the-house
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 19, 2014, 11:04:40 AM
Just imagine if he was even remotely useful...
You mean like- clean out the shitter remotely useful, we could have had at least some value. freaking mutt had any pride he would hand back that dough or at least donate it to the New York homeless.
Post by: hawk on January 19, 2014, 01:15:40 PM
Somewhat amusing, a Cimini article about Belichick potentially being a spy in the house
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/34704/sunday-notes-a-spy-in-the-house
Didn't realize the Jets extended Matt Simms prior to the season ending.
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The Jets recognize it, signing him before the season ended to a one-year, $495,000 contract (the second-year minimum).
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2014, 01:51:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2014, 10:45:57 AM
Loomis: Saints will franchise Graham as tight end if no long-term deal http://wp.me/p14QSB-9ovY
since we're in the market for a TE, I thought this was interesting...especially since the Saints are one of the teams that are in a possible cap hell this offseason.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 21, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 14m
Loomis: Saints will franchise Graham as tight end if no long-term deal http://wp.me/p14QSB-9ovY
since we're in the market for a TE, I thought this was interesting...especially since the Saints are one of the teams that are in a possible cap hell this offseason.
No freaking way are they letting Graham walk unless some idiot teams offers them a Herschel Walker deal.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 11:36:44 AM
No freaking way are they letting Graham walk unless some idiot teams offers them a Herschel Walker deal.
Graham has been arguing he's a wr not a te. If the Saints have to tag him as a WR, graham is not getting it
And they have a really bad cap situation too so it could be difficult
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2014, 11:38:53 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2014, 12:13:52 PM
Post by: reuben on January 21, 2014, 02:31:18 PM
I would trade the 18th overall pick for Jimmy Graham.
Without hesitation.
Post by: Cane on January 21, 2014, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: NDMick on January 21, 2014, 03:52:48 PM
But would you sign him for 2 first rounders?
no. this team doesn't have that luxury. Elite teams do.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
But would you sign him for 2 first rounders?
Only if he came under a rookie salary controlled contact for 5 years would it even be worth considering
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 04:01:37 PM
Graham will be franchised regardless of WR or TE because a team will trade for him in some capacity, and the Saints are not going to just let him walk.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 04:33:09 PM
They can tag him exclusively also, which means that he can't negotiate with any other team. Non-exclusive he can negotiate and accept a new teams contract and wait for a matching offer.. If this is the case the new team must forfeit 2 first round selections to the old team. However, if he is franchised, and then traded, he can be traded for any compensation.
Graham will be franchised regardless of WR or TE because a team will trade for him in some capacity, and the Saints are not going to just let him walk.
But if he gets the wr tag it'll be REALLY freaking hard to give him a long term deal. Elite tes get like 6-8 million a year, hell be under contract for 11m fully guaranteed for a year. So unless he's the highest paid te of all time with the most guaranteed money ever by one, he's gonna have a lot of freaking leverage.
Which also means it will be harder to trade him as well.
Tagging him as a WR is extraordinarily risky
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
But if he gets the wr tag it'll be REALLY freaking hard to give him a long term deal. Elite tes get like 6-8 million a year, hell be under contract for 11m fully guaranteed for a year. So unless he's the highest paid te of all time with the most guaranteed money ever by one, he's gonna have a lot of freaking leverage.
Which also means it will be harder to trade him as well.
Tagging him as a WR is extraordinarily risky
If he gets the WR tag, it will because he is a classified as a WR. He is putting up the production of a WR at the WR position. He won't just go back to playing just TE. Teams will know how to use him, and pay him as such. Also, If he is tagged as a WR he will be traded to a team that can afford him.
The Saints are not going to just let him walk with no compensation. Even a 7th rounder is better than nothing, so anywhere between 2 1's and that 7th rounder is in the best interest of the New Orleans Saints.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
If he gets the WR tag, it will because he is a classified as a WR. He is putting up the production of a WR at the WR position. He won't just go back to playing just TE. Teams will know how to use him, and pay him as such. Also, If he is tagged as a WR he will be traded to a team that can afford him.
The Saints are not going to just let him walk with no compensation. Even a 7th rounder is better than nothing, so anywhere between 2 1's and that 7th rounder is in the best interest of the New Orleans Saints.
Uhm... What?
The franchise tag dictates how and where a player plays?
So if he gets tagged as a WR teams will suddenly be willing to pay him 10-16 million a year?
What teams going to trade for him if they can't extend him reasonably.
Giving Graham the franchise tag for a WR guarantees he's the highest paid, most guaranteed money EVER by a TE and by a significant margin. I understand they could still try to tag him and trade him at a reduced value but it could be risky.
Teams would have all the leverage knowing the Saints HAVE to trade him or else they're fucked cap wise.
I don't think they tag him as a WR. It's just complicated
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 04:54:47 PM
Uhm... What?
The franchise tag dictates how and where a player plays?
So if he gets tagged as a WR teams will suddenly be willing to pay him 10-16 million a year?
What teams going to trade for him if they can't extend him reasonably.
Giving Graham the franchise tag for a WR guarantees he's the highest paid, most guaranteed money EVER by a TE and by a significant margin. I understand they could still try to tag him and trade him at a reduced value but it could be risky.
Teams would have all the leverage knowing the Saints HAVE to trade him or else they're fucked cap wise.
I don't think they tag him as a WR. It's just complicated
LOL, OK.
Post by: Cane on January 21, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
But if he gets the wr tag it'll be REALLY freaking hard to give him a long term deal. Elite tes get like 6-8 million a year, hell be under contract for 11m fully guaranteed for a year. So unless he's the highest paid te of all time with the most guaranteed money ever by one, he's gonna have a lot of freaking leverage.
Which also means it will be harder to trade him as well.
Tagging him as a WR is extraordinarily risky
It doesn't matter what he's tagged as, he's got them over a barrel either way, and he'll get the same deal either way. If they lowball him then he'll say eat excrement and take the 6 million, which will leave them screwed for the year.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 05:22:34 PM
It doesn't matter what he's tagged as, he's got them over a barrel either way, and he'll get the same deal either way. If they lowball him then he'll say eat excrement and take the 6 million, which will leave them screwed for the year.
It has to matter. If he's under contract for the wr tag he gets a freak ton more leverage in negotiations
If they win arbitration and he's tagged as a te they get a lot more.
If Revis didn't have that clause in his deal saying we couldn't tag him after the year, it's very possible Idzik could've extended him.
That excrement is definitely somewhat significant for negotiations
Post by: Cane on January 21, 2014, 05:28:54 PM
It has to matter. If he's under contract for the wr tag he gets a freak ton more leverage in negotiations
If they win arbitration and he's tagged as a te they get a lot more.
If Revis didn't have that clause in his deal saying we couldn't tag him after the year, it's very possible Idzik could've extended him.
That excrement is definitely somewhat significant for negotiations
Those are totally different clauses.
They can't afford either tag, 6 or 11, they can only survive keeping him with a new deal. If we all know that, then they do too.
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 05:53:27 PM
Those are totally different clauses.
They can't afford either tag, 6 or 11, they can only survive keeping him with a new deal. If we all know that, then they do too.
Not to mention a foolish argument. If Idzik wanted to try and extend Revis, he could have done it with the whole year remaining on his contract. The Jets chose not to pursue the contract that Revis was asking for, and get as much compensation they could before they let him walk for nothing.
The Saints won't let Graham walk for nothing, and will choose to pursue the contract, and have the ability to afford either contract. However, it will decimate the core of the team.
Moving players like Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, Roman Harper, Broderick Bunkley in addition to players already discussed could provide more than enough room to retain Graham. They could even attempt to replace some of that talent in the draft. However, it will set them back.
Say they offer Graham, Mike Wallaces contract from a year ago 5 year 60 million. It would cost them $3.25 million in 2014, and postpone the real money till things start to loosen up. Also, does Graham not deserve a contract like that because he is a "TE" on the depth chart? Who would you rather have, and who would you rather pay? Its called value, and value isn't determined by a designation on a depth chart. (these are just random questions and not in response to your post).
Post by: Cane on January 21, 2014, 05:58:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 06:13:20 PM
A saints writer did the math on it, and if Graham makes the 6 million dollar tag they need to replace something like 11 of their most expensive players and free agents with rookies.
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2014, 06:18:33 PM
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
You're forgetting everything else they'd need to do to get under the cap.
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 06:18:57 PM
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
Dude, they are over $10 million over the cap already. In other words, they have to cut $16 million without signing/replacing anyone else.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 21, 2014, 06:36:39 PM
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
Looks like Khiry whateverhisnameis, the future Curtis Martin will be the only back on their roster next year if they are cutting ingram (earlier post) sproles and thomas in your scenario.
Yikes.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
You're forgetting everything else they'd need to do to get under the cap.
well I didnt list the guys that were assumed to be cut to get them under the cap with enough space to sign their draft picks (posted in the other thread, think it wass like Ingram,Smith, Greer Evans?)
I listed guys that they werent so likely to cut, but that could still make Graham affordable.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 21, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
well I didnt list the guys that were assumed to be cut to get them under the cap with enough space to sign their draft picks (posted in the other thread, think it wass like Ingram,Smith, Greer Evans?)
I listed guys that they werent so likely to cut, but that could still make Graham affordable.
Which as I pointed out, literally eliminates there entire backfield.
Post by: Laxin on January 21, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 21, 2014, 06:48:46 PM
Sounds like the Saints would have to deplete their entire roster just to tag Graham for one year. Not a smart move IMO. A great TE isnt going to hide the multiple deficiencies all over the roster.
Especially one that was completely eliminated in the playoff game against Seattle. Graham was non-existent. Can you mutilate the rest of your offense for a guy that didn't show up when you needed him?
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 06:52:15 PM
Sounds like the Saints would have to deplete their entire roster just to tag Graham for one year. Not a smart move IMO. A great TE isnt going to hide the multiple deficiencies all over the roster.
Tagging Graham isn't the issue. They can tag him and trade him. They need to sign him to a long term deal with a ridiculously low 1st year, and respectable 2nd (back loaded).
I used Mike Wallace contract earlier 5 year 60 million. I would probably up the signing bonus from $11 million to $20 million, and vet min the first 2 years for base salary. That would make his cap hit in year 1 and year 2 around $5 million per. With a maybe $10 million in year 3, and then restructure in year 4 if he is still viable at 31.
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 06:54:41 PM
Especially one that was completely eliminated in the playoff game against Seattle. Graham was non-existent. Can you mutilate the rest of your offense for a guy that didn't show up when you needed him?
Or was Graham bracketed the whole game leaving other options available. Even though he wasn't making plays, he was helping to make plays, in theory.
Didn't Brees have like 50 yards in the first half. Do you really want to keep the rest of the team around if they can't step up when needed? Same point you are making, just on the other side of the coin.
Post by: JFIF on January 21, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
Smith is 10 mil in savings alone if I recall
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
Cutting Will Smith, Lance Moore and having their guards restructure will enable the saints to make it work.
Smith is 10 mil in savings alone if I recall
Yeah, but they'll still have holes all over the place.
Post by: JFIF on January 21, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Yeah, but they'll still have holes all over the place.
Do you bite the bullet though? That is the million dollar question.
Post by: JFIF on January 21, 2014, 07:02:01 PM
Yeah, but they'll still have holes all over the place.
Not much more than they had this year. Their draft is critical
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2014, 07:07:13 PM
Do you bite the bullet though? That is the million dollar question.
Losing Graham pretty much slams their championship window.
ATL will be back and CAR is going to own that division from here on out.
Post by: Coach K on January 21, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
The team would essentially be Brees and Graham.
The window is closing and Graham is a sacrifice they need to make if they want long term success over going all in while cutting off the rest of their limbs roster wise.
I wouldn't be surprised if NO did what it takes, but the fact of the matter is NO current cap , even with a ton of theorheyical moves, make this situation way more than "Graham is too good to let go"
In fact I hope they gut the roster to keep him. The Saints will be an eternal wild card out in the playoffs moving forward.
Especially with CAR becoming a force and a TB roster loaded with talent finally getting a real coaching staff
Post by: hawk on January 21, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
Losing Graham pretty much slams their championship window.
ATL will be back and CAR is going to own that division from here on out.
Especially with Brees on the verge of retirement.
The GM's accounting is quite horrid. It doesn't appear he staggered any of the contracts, and the way Brees's contract is structured it appears they had an internal window as well.
Post by: NDMick on January 21, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Especially with Brees on the verge of retirement.
Brees has another 3 years in him. His numbers are amazing. He might go until he's 40 the way he's playing.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
Losing Graham pretty much slams their championship window.
ATL will be back and CAR is going to own that division from here on out.
To be fair Carolina is going to lose Steve Smith pretty soon, and its not like that offense is littered with playmakers .Deangello williams is going to be 31, and their LT and LG could both retire in the very near future (age 34 and 33 before next season starts)
Thomas Davis is also 31 with a nasty history of injuries.
I think Carolina is far from a lock to become a team who is going to own its division as an elite team unless Newton takes a HUGE step forward (hes pretty good, but hes not a Brees/Manning/Brady who can carry his offense on his own)
And Atlanta has Steven Jackson, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzo all at the end of their careers (Gonzo is presumably done after this one)
I think that division could be a dogfight each and every year until Brees retires and the Saints of course become completely irrelevant.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
To be fair Carolina is going to lose Steve Smith pretty soon, and its not like that offense is littered with playmakers .Deangello williams is going to be 31, and their LT and LG could both retire in the very near future (age 34 and 33 before next season starts)
Thomas Davis is also 31 with a nasty history of injuries.
I think Carolina is far from a lock to become a team who is going to own its division as an elite team unless Newton takes a HUGE step forward (hes pretty good, but hes not a Brees/Manning/Brady who can carry his offense on his own)
And Atlanta has Steven Jackson, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzo all at the end of their careers (Gonzo is presumably done after this one)
I think that division could be a dogfight each and every year until Brees retires and the Saints of course become completely irrelevant.
They have two of the best young players in the sport on both sides of the ball.
They also play in a relatively warm climate in a nice city.
Carolina will remain competitive for a long time. Players will want to come play with Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly.
Their defense is going to keep getting better, especially if they re-sign Greg Hardy. They can get Newton some help in the draft.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
They have two of the best young players in the sport on both sides of the ball.
They also play in a relatively warm climate in a nice city.
Carolina will remain competitive for a long time. Players will want to come play with Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly.
Their defense is going to keep getting better, especially if they re-sign Greg Hardy. They can get Newton some help in the draft.
Sure theyll remain competitive, im not contesting that. But theyre far from the juggernauts of that division to be favored for years to come. They desperately lack offensive playmakers, and have several very key starters at the end of their careers.
I wouldnt be surprised if a different team won that division every year for the next 3 years
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2014, 08:51:59 PM
Sure theyll remain competitive, im not contesting that. But theyre far from the juggernauts of that division to be favored for years to come. They desperately lack offensive playmakers, and have several very key starters at the end of their careers.
No, they don't.
Steve Smith will play for at least three more seasons. Greg Olsen is a really good receiving tight end. Mike Tolbert is still incredibly underrated for some reason.
They need to bring in a receiver and a running back.
Losing Jordan Gross in a couple years is their biggest problem right now.
Post by: JFIF on January 21, 2014, 09:09:07 PM
They've had to utilize Ted Ginn extensively for gods sake.
They desperately need a big time receiver. Lafell hasn't really panned out for them. They need like 6'5-6'6 receiver that can go up and get the ball.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 09:16:05 PM
Which would make Ginn their #1 receiver if Smith gets injured or retires
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Sounds like theyre going to let Lafell walk anyway.
Which would make Ginn their #1 receiver if Smith gets injured or retires
The Panthers aren't participating in free agency or the draft this offseason
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
The Panthers aren't participating in free agency or the draft this offseason
Which is why I said they lack offensive playmakers
Because they need to get some
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 07:38:33 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 12m
Vanderbilt wide receiver Matthews may land with Jets #nyj: http://nyp.st/LQMYTa
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 07:40:24 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 14m
Teams say Sanchez in high demand if Jets cut him #nyj: http://nyp.st/1fXIqaJ
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2014, 07:42:08 AM
Post by: JFIF on January 22, 2014, 07:58:31 AM
And for this morning's most misleading article...........
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 12m
Vanderbilt wide receiver Matthews may land with Jets #nyj: http://nyp.st/LQMYTa
One thing I like is that he actually knew who was on the team and who our receivers are.
At least at this point in the process. It's like they've had interviews or whatever
Post by: Johnny English on January 22, 2014, 08:11:49 AM
No, they don't.
Steve Smith will play for at least three more seasons. Greg Olsen is a really good receiving tight end. Mike Tolbert is still incredibly underrated for some reason.
They need to bring in a receiver and a running back.
Losing Jordan Gross in a couple years is their biggest problem right now.
Don't forget their best offensive player Jonathan Stewart.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 08:26:52 AM
One thing I like is that he actually knew who was on the team and who our receivers are.
It bothers me when football players have no apparent interest in football. The players with relatives who played in the NFL always seem to know their excrement though.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 08:31:33 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 22, 2014, 08:43:05 AM
All I can ask is why.... ?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 09:11:09 AM
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 09:12:29 AM
Post by: klaximilian on January 22, 2014, 09:39:43 AM
It bothers me when football players have no apparent interest in football. The players with relatives who played in the NFL always seem to know their excrement though.
Like Ryan Tannehill who doesn't even know what teams play in his division...
Post by: JFIF on January 22, 2014, 09:41:36 AM
Like Ryan Tannehill who doesn't even know what teams play in his division...
This was exactly what I thought about when I posted that
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
Jets have told the agents of Calvin Pace they are very interested in bringing him back for 2014.
Post by: MBGreen on January 22, 2014, 01:09:17 PM
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Jets have told the agents of Calvin Pace they are very interested in bringing him back for 2014.
I think the position needs an infusion of youth and speed.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 01:11:32 PM
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Jets have told the agents of Calvin Pace they are very interested in bringing him back for 2014.
Looked up a relevant stat: Calvin Pace has the 5th-most sacks in team history.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 01:11:49 PM
I think the position needs an infusion of youth and speed.
freak that. We need slow, wise players that get to the QB in their mind.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2014, 01:15:30 PM
If he wants million + a year for multiple years, give Maybin a freaking call
I think Pace/Coples/Barnes + a young player is a group id be more than comfortable with.
Having Barnes back and healthy means we could use Pace sparingly
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 01:17:55 PM
give Maybin a freaking call
Hope that's a joke.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
Looked up a relevant stat: Calvin Pace has the 5th-most sacks in team history.
Why does every team record you post make me feel more empty inside?
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As for Pace, I don't care either way. Hopefully Barnes returns healthy and Coples capitalizes on his late-season success. We can't fix every group this year, so hopefully the LBs can play well enough behind the line to survive the lack of youth/speed/talent.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 01:25:18 PM
Why does every team record you post make me feel more empty inside?
Bryan Thomas is 8th.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2014, 01:31:07 PM
Bryan Thomas is 8th.
There is a single tear rolling down my cheek as a I type this.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 22, 2014, 01:45:51 PM
If Pace comes back for a 1 year vet minimum deal its a no brainer.
If he wants million + a year for multiple years, give Maybin a freaking call
I think Pace/Coples/Barnes + a young player is a group id be more than comfortable with.
Having Barnes back and healthy means we could use Pace sparingly
take whatever sheckles they're going to offer Pace, and put it towards a bigger offer for Jason Worilds.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 01:49:10 PM
take whatever sheckles they're going to offer Pace, and put it towards a bigger offer for Jason Worilds.
I hope this is Pace next year:
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/break-case-emergency-red-box-empty-breakable-glass-front-isolated-background-32806673.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
Restructure to a cap friendly deal then trade his derriere.
Knowing our luck, no one would take him then and we'd be stuck with Nacho for a few more years.
Post by: MBGreen on January 22, 2014, 01:54:05 PM
I hope this is Pace next year:
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/break-case-emergency-red-box-empty-breakable-glass-front-isolated-background-32806673.jpg)
I think Pace's success in 2013 was a product of the effectiveness of the DL. I don't think Pace is as important to this defense on his own merit, we could replace him with someone younger/faster imo, and probably get similar if not better results.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2014, 02:11:55 PM
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Our NFL Nation network of team reporters polled 320 players across the league -- 10 from each team -- to produce a confidential survey that covered eight probing questions/hot topics. Next up ...
Question: Who’s the player (active, non-teammate) you’d most like to see in the Super Bowl?
Winner: Adrian Peterson, running back, Minnesota Vikings
Our take: Peterson scored 59 votes (18.4 percent), narrowly defeating Atlanta Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez (56 votes). To be honest, the voting was all over the map, as a total of 88 players received votes. Only two Jets landed in the votes column -- Mark Sanchez and Muhammad Wilkerson, each of whom received one. Yes, somewhere out there in the NFL, Sanchez has a huge admirer. You know what? After coming close to the Super Bowl in his first two seasons, then falling out of favor and wrecking his shoulder, it would be a tremendous comeback story if he made it.
Interestingly, there was no love for Peterson and Gonzalez among the Jets' voters. The leading vote getters were Michael Vick and Alex Smith, with three apiece. Believe it or not, the polarizing Tony Romo scored two votes.
Sanchez has a secret admirer
And interestingly 3 Jets voted for Vick, who has been repeatedly brought up as a potential QB for us to sign this year
Post by: Libero_2 on January 22, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
Bryan Thomas is 8th.
I know I am going to regret this... can you post a top 10?
Also if Bryan Thomas is 8th, MoWilk has to be just outside the top 10 after 3 years, if he isn't already on it.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2014, 02:18:09 PM
I know I am going to regret this... can you post a top 10?
Also if Bryan Thomas is 8th, MoWilk has to be just outside the top 10 after 3 years, if he isn't already on it.
Wilk only got 8 sacks in his first 2 years combined
Pace has around 40 sacks as a Jet
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 02:19:15 PM
I know I am going to regret this... can you post a top 10?
Also if Bryan Thomas is 8th, MoWilk has to be just outside the top 10 after 3 years, if he isn't already on it.
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2014, 02:21:46 PM
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
lol abraham is #3 and played here only 5 years
Post by: Cane on January 22, 2014, 02:23:24 PM
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
Nice to see that the bowling ball with butcher knives rolled his way into the top 20.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 22, 2014, 02:31:25 PM
Nice to see that the bowling ball with butcher knives rolled his way into the top 20.
And we thought he was totally worthless.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 22, 2014, 02:32:43 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
Some things that are sickening on that list:
Bryan Thomas being #8.
Dennis Byrd having more sacks than David Harris in half as many seasons.
David Harris having more than Klecko.
Hugh Douglas being in the top 13.
Dewayne Robertson being in the top 20.
Quinton Coples, a rookie last year, being in the top 25 all time for this team.
Post by: NDMick on January 22, 2014, 03:54:57 PM
That list isn't surprising.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 22, 2014, 04:08:40 PM
This team had no clue how to draft until Parcells showed up in the past 30 years.
That list isn't surprising.
surprising no, sad yes.
Post by: MBGreen on January 22, 2014, 05:09:03 PM
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 05:22:14 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53m
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
"Ryan Wendell will be the best center in the league or I'll quit!!"
Post by: Libero_2 on January 22, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53m
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
hooray! Brady will be a dead man in no time.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 22, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
Some things that are sickening on that list:
Bryan Thomas being #8.
Dennis Byrd having more sacks than David Harris in half as many seasons.
David Harris having more than Klecko.
Hugh Douglas being in the top 13.
Dewayne Robertson being in the top 20.
Quinton Coples, a rookie last year, being in the top 25 all time for this team.
Klecko is where he is in part because he played much of his career before sacks were an official stat.
Post by: Ornstein on January 22, 2014, 06:25:16 PM
Klecko is where he is in part because he played much of his career before sacks were an official stat.
Also one of the reasons he wasn't voted into the hall of fame.
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2014, 06:33:13 PM
Restructure to a cap friendly deal then trade his derriere.
If he is traded, the new team will want to negotiate the new deal.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2014, 06:41:50 PM
Also one of the reasons he wasn't voted into the hall of fame.
I knew his numbers were holding him back but I didn't realize quite how low they were.
Post by: reuben on January 22, 2014, 07:27:35 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53m
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
Get out.
Going from Dante Scarnecchia to Dave DeGuglielmo is a pretty freaking steep drop-off.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 07:30:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 22, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
Gugs had one year here. Under Sparano. I don't know anything about whether he sucked or not other than he was a loud mouth.
He thought Wayne Hunter was good
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
He thought Wayne Hunter was goodI did too for 1/2 a season
Post by: reuben on January 22, 2014, 07:58:02 PM
Gugs had one year here. Under Sparano. I don't know anything about whether he sucked or not other than he was a loud mouth.
He had plenty of time in Miami under Sporano. They made quite a formidable pair.
They drafted a bunch of linemen they could never develop. They released a young Evan Mathis when they were desperate for capable guards. They jettisoned Samson Satele because they said he couldn't play in a power blocking scheme, who then immediately had success in Hue Jackson's power blocking scheme in Oakland. (He's now with the Colts). They drafted Mike Pouncey, who struggled to learn center until both of them left. They moved Vernon Carey to right guard after he was the best right tackle in the NFL in 2010; replaced him with Marc Colombo; both had abysmal seasons.
And then those two fucktards failed upward and came to New York, and declared Wayne Hunter an elite right tackle. I recall having reservations at the time.
Now, though, Tweedle-Dum is a Patriot. I'm all smiles.
I'd freaking love it if we offered Dante Scarnecchia a million dollars to come out of retirement.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
He had plenty of time in Miami under Sporano. They made quite a formidable pair.Well then. If all that is true, I feel good.
They drafted a bunch of linemen they could never develop. They released a young Evan Mathis when they were desperate for capable guards. They jettisoned Samson Satele because they said he couldn't play in a power blocking scheme, who then immediately had success in Hue Jackson's power blocking scheme in Oakland. (He's now with the Colts). They drafted Mike Pouncey, who struggled to learn center until both of them left. They moved Vernon Carey to right guard after he was the best right tackle in the NFL in 2010; replaced him with Marc Colombo; both had abysmal seasons.
And then those two fucktards failed upward and came to New York, and declared Wayne Hunter an elite right tackle. I recall having reservations at the time.
Now, though, Tweedle-Dum is a Patriot. I'm all smiles.
I'd freaking love it if we offered Dante Scarnecchia a million dollars to come out of retirement.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
He had plenty of time in Miami under Sporano. They made quite a formidable pair.
They drafted a bunch of linemen they could never develop. They released a young Evan Mathis when they were desperate for capable guards. They jettisoned Samson Satele because they said he couldn't play in a power blocking scheme, who then immediately had success in Hue Jackson's power blocking scheme in Oakland. (He's now with the Colts). They drafted Mike Pouncey, who struggled to learn center until both of them left. They moved Vernon Carey to right guard after he was the best right tackle in the NFL in 2010; replaced him with Marc Colombo; both had abysmal seasons.
And then those two fucktards failed upward and came to New York, and declared Wayne Hunter an elite right tackle. I recall having reservations at the time.
Now, though, Tweedle-Dum is a Patriot. I'm all smiles.
I'd freaking love it if we offered Dante Scarnecchia a million dollars to come out of retirement.
To be fair, Jeff Ireland was their GM.
They royally fucked up basically every position on that team under him.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 23, 2014, 06:13:07 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 23, 2014, 06:59:08 AM
Moving back to Calvin Pace... Having 10 sacks in a season is no easy task, even with our DL. People keep on saying "anyone could have had them" but the fact is that the Jets hadn't had a 10-sack player in more than a decade and we have had several top 5 defenses. Nobody should be under any delusions about him being an elite pass-rusher, and I don't think the Jets or himself are either, but he was quite serviceable for the team last season, and he should go back on a 1-year deal. His season mught have been an outlier, but we won't know until we see next season and it's not like there are 36290 options in the market.
I don't think anyone is arguing this. I think we all would like to see us bring in a young guy in the draft who can learn from Pace next year and a trio of Pace/Rookie/Barnes opposite Coples would work out quite well.
Starting to get very stoked on a guy like Dee Ford possibly being brought in from the middle rounds to play opposite Coples long term is very exciting.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2014, 11:51:43 AM
Moving back to Calvin Pace... Having 10 sacks in a season is no easy task, even with our DL. People keep on saying "anyone could have had them" but the fact is that the Jets hadn't had a 10-sack player in more than a decade and we have had several top 5 defenses. Nobody should be under any delusions about him being an elite pass-rusher, and I don't think the Jets or himself are either, but he was quite serviceable for the team last season, and he should go back on a 1-year deal. His season mught have been an outlier, but we won't know until we see next season and it's not like there are 36290 options in the market.
That's all fair enough. My opinion is that while Pace is fine, if we had someone good in that spot he'd have 15+. Whoever plays OLB for this team gets to have either Wilkerson or Richardson taking double-teams for them. Coples was coming in completely unblocked quite often at the end of the year. Had he not had the ankle injury he'd probably have had an impressive statistical year.
I'm fine with Pace as a rotational LB, but I want a guy who is going to be fast and take real advantage of the situation at the line.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2014, 01:32:08 PM
Post by: reuben on January 23, 2014, 03:53:02 PM
Post by: JFIF on January 23, 2014, 04:20:01 PM
Re-signing Calvin Pace is just a smart move, in my book. I know I'm in the minority on this and I truly hope to be proven wrong, but I'm just not sold on Quinton Coples yet. Re-signing Pace guarantees edge pressure in 2014.
Coples came on at the end of the year, just like he did in his rookie year. lets not forget he was playing a new position AND coming back from a broken foot.
Coples is a good player
Post by: Coach K on January 23, 2014, 04:45:00 PM
Re-signing Calvin Pace is just a smart move, in my book. I know I'm in the minority on this and I truly hope to be proven wrong, but I'm just not sold on Quinton Coples yet. Re-signing Pace guarantees edge pressure in 2014.
I dunno why you'd be in the minority.
Pace had a renaissance year. Its amazing he took this long to get it but he's a good player in this system.
He can definitely be upgraded but as of now Pace is the only edge rusher on this roster
Hard to count Coples since he hobbled around 75% of the year
Post by: JFIF on January 28, 2014, 09:01:08 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/35041/seattle-east-mode-good-sign-for-jets?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
....But we have no way of knowing what Idzik is thinking!
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2014, 09:05:35 AM
Couldn't really find a thread to put this....
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/35041/seattle-east-mode-good-sign-for-jets?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
....But we have no way of knowing what Idzik is thinking!
I saw a similar article in the NYPost. This is much better.
I think we all knew that Idzik was going to apply the same blueprint they used in Seattle here in NY....but now skeptics like JE can sleep better at night knowing that's exactly what Idzik is doing.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 28, 2014, 10:36:48 AM
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 6m
Asked Eric Decker if he could envision playing in NY: "I haven't thought about that." Said he was impressed by #NYJ facility
link (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/428202979049869312)
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2014, 11:41:34 AM
http://www.footballasfootball.com/ny-jets
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/fbasfb/img/uploads/52e60ddd-38e8-408e-81bb-4003d071cd2b)
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2014, 11:43:33 AM
link (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/428202979049869312)
Saw something last night about Decker being Denver's #1 priority in the offseason.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2014, 04:24:12 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
This guy came out with another Jets FC logo.
http://www.footballasfootball.com/ny-jets
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/fbasfb/img/uploads/52e60ddd-38e8-408e-81bb-4003d071cd2b)
Please stop posting these.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Please stop posting these.
Hey
Hey
GFY
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2014, 06:48:04 PM
Decker would be a solid pickup if he shakes loose.
I think that he will end up wanting more money than he is worth since I would suspect a gigantic increase in his numbers/effectiveness have been made by Manning.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2014, 07:07:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2014, 08:42:30 PM
He's the only non-scrappy white wide receiver. Sure, why not?
We're too late, the Pats signed him during super bowl media day.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2014, 10:47:07 PM
We're too late, the Pats signed him during super bowl media day.
They already have Sam McVuffie signed to a futures contract. I cannot stop laughing at that.
Post by: reuben on January 28, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
I think that he will end up wanting more money than he is worth since I would suspect a gigantic increase in his numbers/effectiveness have been made by Manning.
Decker caught eight touchdown passes from Tim Tebow in 2010. Tebow only threw 12 the entire season. He's a quality wide receiver, Manning or no.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 29, 2014, 10:22:11 AM
He's the only non-scrappy white wide receiver. Sure, why not?
Didn't even realize he was white, I don't think I've watched Denver that carefully in a long time. Knew the name but wouldn't know the guy if I ran into him.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 29, 2014, 10:26:01 AM
Didn't even realize he was white, I don't think I've watched Denver that carefully in a long time. Knew the name but wouldn't know the guy if I ran into him.
Check out his wife:
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=502.0 (http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=502.0)
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 29, 2014, 11:41:03 AM
Check out his wife:
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=502.0 (http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=502.0)
Wow, she was hot and likely will be again some time soon.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 29, 2014, 11:53:28 AM
Wow, she was hot and likely will be again some time soon.
Hahah that thread was fun.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 30, 2014, 03:59:27 AM
Please stop posting these.
Why? I actually quite like this one.
Post by: Badger on January 30, 2014, 06:46:46 PM
Enjoying my self at ps34 in Ny reading with the kids and playing polar bear with @nflplay60 and @UW_TEAM_NFL #sb48
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfQxDdbCEAAnXP3.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/QueCeasar/status/429021800291250177
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2014, 08:20:18 PM
If his UNC education is any indicator, he might be there to learn to read.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
^Saw that earlier, looks like black Wilfred.
New nickname for Q.
Black Wilfred
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 31, 2014, 08:14:29 AM
Rex on Rob Ryan, Mike and Mike radio
Post by: Coach K on January 31, 2014, 11:01:17 AM
New nickname for Q.
Black Wilfred
WilFred Sanford
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2014, 09:15:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DwjEMtg.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 02, 2014, 07:14:27 AM
Post by: Badger on February 02, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 02, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/02/joe-namath-agressively-tries-to-kiss-fox-news-reportr.html
Haha, can't beat Joe Namath...
Post by: bojanglesman on February 02, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
Post by: reuben on February 04, 2014, 02:48:11 PM
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ESPN New York reports the Jets hope either second-year OLs Oday Aboushi or William Campbell can step into a starting role at guard in 2014.
That would seem to be awfully wishful thinking on the Jets' part. Aboushi was a fifth-round pick out of Virginia, where he played left tackle, last April, while Campbell played defensive tackle at Michigan and was converted to offensive line after being drafted in the sixth round. Neither played a single snap in 2013. The Jets would be better off re-signing RG Willie Colon to another one-year deal.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Bukibear/MB%20Misc/Uncomfortable.gif)
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 04, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
Hoping one of those guys can step into the role doesn't mean they are counting on it. They could bring back Colon on a cheap deal and push those guys in camp. Hopefully they'll address the position either in FA or at least once in the draft as well.
If they're relying on one of them to step up though, like Heismanberg said "RIP" to whoever "wins" the starting job.
Post by: klaximilian on February 04, 2014, 03:31:23 PM
rotoworld:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Bukibear/MB%20Misc/Uncomfortable.gif)
Did they also report that the Jets will not be partaking in free agency or the draft this year?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Brandon Moore was a great player for us and he was a converted defensive tackle just like Will Campbell. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the Jets won't go into 2014 with Aboushi or Campbell starting on the OL.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 04, 2014, 03:37:43 PM
Willie Colon is seriously injured right now. His availability for offseason camp is up in the air.
Brandon Moore was a great player for us and he was a converted defensive tackle just like Will Campbell. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the Jets won't go into 2014 with Aboushi or Campbell starting on the OL.
I thought Colon's injury just cut into a big chunk of FA time? In other words, it will cost him money, but not practice time. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read weeks ago.
We have no idea what the plan is with the young guys anyway and neither does Rotoworld. Who knows? Maybe one pans out. Maybe even this year.
I agree with you though if your point is that we can be pretty confident that this team won't go into 2014 thinking "We've got the OLine situation straight as-is right now."
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
I thought Colon's injury just cut into a big chunk of FA time? In other words, it will cost him money, but not practice time. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read weeks ago.
He's also on the wrong side of 30. Any injury should give us pause, especially with Colon's history.
I definitely hope he's able to come in and compete with Winters for a spot (really hoping we address the other guard spot with a known commodity in FA or a good early round prospect), but we can't count on that right now.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2014, 03:45:57 PM
I thought Colon's injury just cut into a big chunk of FA time? In other words, it will cost him money, but not practice time. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read weeks ago.
It's a four to six month recovery from the surgery, and that's the minimum. His ability will be a huge question mark through free agency and right up until the draft.
It is wise to move on for now, and then bring him in for training camp.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2014, 04:36:04 PM
It's a four to six month recovery from the surgery, and that's the minimum. His ability will be a huge question mark through free agency and right up until the draft.
It is wise to move on for now, and then bring him in for training camp.
Agreed. Would like to see us bring in somebody during FA, and then bring colon back for camp. Colon would be great depth if he can't beat out Winters or the other OG brought in during the FA period.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2014, 08:53:19 AM
He's also on the wrong side of 30. Any injury should give us pause, especially with Colon's history.
I definitely hope he's able to come in and compete with Winters for a spot (really hoping we address the other guard spot with a known commodity in FA or a good early round prospect), but we can't count on that right now.
In fairness, I specifically said I want them to address the guard position at least once between FA and the draft beyond Colon and the previous draftees.
It's a four to six month recovery from the surgery, and that's the minimum. His ability will be a huge question mark through free agency and right up until the draft.
It is wise to move on for now, and then bring him in for training camp.
Absolutely. I view Colon as depth, an emergency starter, and a push for the guys who were drafted to earn a spot on the team.
Post by: MBGreen on February 05, 2014, 08:57:02 AM
Next week's ESPN article will be about the Jets having to lean on Clyde Gates to carry the WR corps in 2014.
Post by: ons on February 05, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2014, 01:45:29 PM
It was fun while it lasted Cro. Best of luck wherever you land after your inevitable suspension.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2014, 01:57:07 PM
So apparently Cromartie said that the NFL should allow players to smoke weed because they're "going to do it anyway."
It was fun while it lasted Cro. Best of luck wherever you land after your inevitable suspension.
He said "were" gonna do it anyway.
Eitherway it would be his first offense, and this could only make him cheaper.
Although in reality its going to do nothing, nor will anything happen
Post by: Heismanberg on February 05, 2014, 01:59:08 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2014, 02:06:45 PM
He said "were" gonna do it anyway.
Eitherway it would be his first offense, and this could only make him cheaper.
Although in reality its going to do nothing, nor will anything happen
Actually he said "we're" but who's counting?
Anyway, he's not going to be suspended for speaking his mind, but for a guy who was already teetering on the edge of being asked to return, I don't see the new "Shut your mouth" Jets bringing him back. As for the "inevitable suspension" I don't think he's going to get in trouble just for saying what he said, but there's no way he's not now on the radar.
Post by: Badger on February 05, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2014, 02:36:13 PM
Randy Moss admitted to smoking weed and he was fine.
Yeah but he played for the Patriots in a rigged league.
Plus he's an offensive skill position player, who the league seems to only care about
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
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@CRO31
The interview that I did on the weed policy, I never said We're I said tht Players will smoke anyway. I don't smoke so I don't care about it
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
Also
Yeah, I just saw that too. I still think he should keep his mouth shut about it, but it really pisses me off when "media" change or misquote what someone says.
Post by: Badger on February 05, 2014, 03:08:09 PM
Yeah, I just saw that too. I still think he should keep his mouth shut about it, but it really pisses me off when "media" change or misquote what someone says.
CROMARTIE REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTION ABOUT MARIJUANA USE
WHAT IS HE HIDING FROM REX?
WHAT IS HE HIDING FROM REX?
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
CROMARTIE REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTION ABOUT MARIJUANA USE
WHAT IS HE HIDING FROM REX?
Hahahaha, fair point.
Post by: Johnny English on February 05, 2014, 04:07:54 PM
That still blows my mind.
Post by: JFIF on February 05, 2014, 04:11:41 PM
Ricky Williams quit playing football because weed was more important to him.
That still blows my mind.
I'm sure if his coaches (Stache)didn't run him into the ground , things might have been a little different.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 05, 2014, 09:10:05 PM
Ricky Williams quit playing football because weed was more important to him.
That still blows my mind.
Lol he quit because he had an poopchute coach that would have ran him into the ground.
I was at the game where it happened. My best friend down here had Dolphin season tickets. Late in the season the fins had the game in hand against Buffalo, they were up by at least twenty and that fuckhead Wannestadt ran Ricky at last 40 times. I was laughing my derriere off because I knew if he played any longer under that idiot Ricky Williams would not be walking today. He said himself he could barely walk right 4 months after that season.
The fins and their fans are my most hated team I freaking hate everything about them. That said I can admit Ricky Williams took the worst beating I have ever seen an running back take and I don't blame him for quitting. I am convinced he would have suffered a major injury playing for that coach. Not to mention all finfan tears down here when he did say uncle, tasted glorious. Think if it this way, the people down here whined and cried more than the pussies in the weather thread.
Anyway, the pot supposedly helped him recover. Herm did the same thing to Curtis Martin and Larry Johnson, both of whom I think can barely walk.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 05, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
I'm sure if his coaches (Stache)didn't run him into the ground , things might have been a little different.
I didn't see this when I write my reply. You live down here and know Wannestadt was going to kill him. That Buffalo game was the worst use of a star running back I have ever seen, worse even then Herm and Larry Johnson. That's saying something.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 06, 2014, 09:03:38 PM
Post by: reuben on February 08, 2014, 05:49:30 PM
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New York Jets
Lost: Landry ($6m), Keller ($4.3m), DeVito ($4.2m), Greene ($3.3m), Bell ($905k), Slauson ($815k)
Signed: Goodson ($2.3m), Barnes ($1.3m)
5 – New York Jets – LaRon Landry
6 – New York Jets – Mike DeVito
6 – New York Jets – Dustin Keller
6 – New York Jets – Shonn Greene
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2014, 05:59:01 PM
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2014, 06:19:22 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 08, 2014, 07:04:53 PM
From my limited knowledge of comp picks, I don't agree with that. Goodson will cancel out Greene as they're the same position and similar contract values, Bell was cheap and only with us for a season, and Slauson isn't on big money and probably not considered a key part of the team.
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
I believe Goodson was a cap casualty in Oakland, thus he doesn't count against our comp picks.
Post by: ons on February 08, 2014, 07:30:16 PM
From my limited knowledge of comp picks, I don't agree with that. Goodson will cancel out Greene as they're the same position and similar contract values, Bell was cheap and only with us for a season, and Slauson isn't on big money and probably not considered a key part of the team.
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
His calculations look weird because he hasn't accounted for injuries/playing time, which seems to be part of the criteria. I think we're looking at 3-4 picks between 5-7, but it's hard to predict because no one knows the actual formula. Slauson and Bell both played almost every snap on their respective side of the ball, so it seems like they should count for something - I've read every down starters usually bring back picks regardless of salary, although they might both be 7th rounders.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2014, 08:04:31 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2014, 09:04:11 PM
From my limited knowledge of comp picks, I don't agree with that. Goodson will cancel out Greene as they're the same position and similar contract values, Bell was cheap and only with us for a season, and Slauson isn't on big money and probably not considered a key part of the team.
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
Off topic, but most of us wanted to see Devito and Pouha back on cheap short term deals. Wonder if we wouldve missed out on both Snacks and Richardson had we brought those two back.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 09, 2014, 03:39:04 AM
Post by: casman02 on February 09, 2014, 06:34:11 AM
Maybe we can find some talented head cases or talented injured players with those late picks. Maybe a small school guy. With all these late picks it would be great to find a big legged punter.
Not drafting Burfict still angers me. Mathieu and Lattimore to a lesser extent, but Burfict just seemed like the pick. Damn RG Fat and Ganaway in round 6. I would not be against getting a punter late. Round 6 seems about right and we need a guy to switch field position
Post by: Laxin on February 09, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
Maybe we can find some talented head cases or talented injured players with those late picks. Maybe a small school guy. With all these late picks it would be great to find a big legged punter.
Ron Powell, Trey Millard, Aaron Colvin and Colt Lyerla come to mind.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2014, 04:00:59 PM
Colt Lyerla
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 09, 2014, 05:15:50 PM
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
I wouldn't draft him given his concerns, but if he went UDFA, I'd be inclined to give him a shot.
Post by: Laxin on February 09, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
Not even a 7th rounder? I mean what are the odds that a 7th rounder ever contributes more than being a solid ST's player? Colt Lyerla actually has potential to be a very good #1 TE in this league. I will admit that he would scare the hell out me any earlier and the fact that Oregon coaches had to watch his every move is pretty terrible.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2014, 08:12:05 PM
Not even a 7th rounder? I mean what are the odds that a 7th rounder ever contributes more than being a solid ST's player? Colt Lyerla actually has potential to be a very good #1 TE in this league. I will admit that he would scare the hell out me any earlier and the fact that Oregon coaches had to watch his every move is pretty terrible.I don't know anything about him, but based on your description I'd rather have a punter.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2014, 08:37:32 PM
Not even a 7th rounder? I mean what are the odds that a 7th rounder ever contributes more than being a solid ST's player? Colt Lyerla actually has potential to be a very good #1 TE in this league. I will admit that he would scare the hell out me any earlier and the fact that Oregon coaches had to watch his every move is pretty terrible.
Lyerla would be the second or third best tight end in this draft without the drug problem.
He chose partying and cocaine over Oregon football. They gave him multiple chances and he quit because he didn't care.
I'm not saying he can't change, but I don't want anyone like that on an ascending team. He has locker room cancer written all over him. He doesn't care about football, and this is before he was making money.
Post by: Laxin on February 09, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Lyerla would be the second or third best tight end in this draft without the drug problem.
He chose partying and cocaine over Oregon football. They gave him multiple chances and he quit because he didn't care.
I'm not saying he can't change, but I don't want anyone like that on an ascending team. He has locker room cancer written all over him. He doesn't care about football, and this is before he was making money.
I dont disagree. It pisses me off that someone with so much talent can just throw it away for immaturity and coke. But, I think Id be willing to take a late round (7th) flier on him and hope that a strong leader that players love like Rex and some solid veterans like Brick, Mangold, Mo, Harris, ect can straighten him out. If he fucks up just once, he's on the street again just like 70-80% of all 7th round picks.
What about Ron Powell or Trey Millard as late round picks? Both have dealt with injury (Millard more recent) but certainly have potential. Millard can do it all and would certainly be an upgrade of Bohanon.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2014, 10:30:51 PM
I dont disagree. It pisses me off that someone with so much talent can just throw it away for immaturity and coke. But, I think Id be willing to take a late round (7th) flier on him and hope that a strong leader that players love like Rex and some solid veterans like Brick, Mangold, Mo, Harris, ect can straighten him out. If he fucks up just once, he's on the street again just like 70-80% of all 7th round picks.
What about Ron Powell or Trey Millard as late round picks? Both have dealt with injury (Millard more recent) but certainly have potential. Millard can do it all and would certainly be an upgrade of Bohanon.
Absoltuely freaking not, I want nothing to do with this shithead on the team.
Theres a massive difference between taking a flier on a immature bonehead who does stupid things, then drafting a guy who is in some seriously messed up excrement.
This guy fucks around with cocaine, thats just too much. That excrement, that lifestyle only brings people down, and expecting a grown man to just get out of it because of good leadership isnt realistic.
Its far more likely that he would bring down others with him, and just genuinely be a cancer. If this was a guy who got caught messing around with marijuana, or stole something from an ex's house or something and you feel like you can bring him back on the path of righteousness thats one thing. But freaking around with cocaine, absolutely no place here. If Idzik even brought him in as a UDFA I think it would legitimately be a mistake.
Because I truthfully think the chances of him bringing someone else down is FAR FAR greater than the chances of succeeding. And its as simple as that
Post by: Cane on February 10, 2014, 05:05:03 AM
I dont disagree. It pisses me off that someone with so much talent can just throw it away for immaturity and coke. But, I think Id be willing to take a late round (7th) flier on him and hope that a strong leader that players love like Rex and some solid veterans like Brick, Mangold, Mo, Harris, ect can straighten him out. If he fucks up just once, he's on the street again just like 70-80% of all 7th round picks.
What about Ron Powell or Trey Millard as late round picks? Both have dealt with injury (Millard more recent) but certainly have potential. Millard can do it all and would certainly be an upgrade of Bohanon.
I'm with the others, no aspect of Lyerla is worth it in my mind. I just wouldn't trust him.
That said, a guy like Ronald Powell is worth every bit of the pick he'd cost in Rd 5 or so. He'll never be what he should have been, but if he can work his way back near it then we are talking about a very good investment.
Post by: Coach K on February 10, 2014, 07:49:48 AM
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
Seconded
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Which is a few weeks after free agency begins.
So I think this puts us in a decent situation where we can shop around for a few weeks to get another QB (although Schaub and Vick are both under contract, so wed have to wait for them to get cut)
And then if for some reason the QB market is incredibly dry, we would at least have an opportunity to fall to Sanchez as a backup option.
I dont think Sanchez is likely, but if say Vick decides to stay in Philly and Schaub takes a huge paycut, McCown in Chicago etc etc. He unfortunately could be the best option, especially considering his age and his year with the offense.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2014, 11:18:17 AM
I dont think Sanchez is likely, but if say Vick decides to stay in Philly and Schaub takes a huge paycut, McCown in Chicago etc etc. He unfortunately could be the best option, especially considering his age and his year with the offense.
Why in the hell would Michael Vick and Matt Schaub stay with their 2013 teams? Houston is in prime position to draft a new QB and Philly has Nick Foles.
Think about stuff before you say it.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 11:20:44 AM
Why in the hell would Michael Vick and Matt Schaub stay with their 2013 teams? Houston is in prime position to draft a new QB and Philly has Nick Foles.
Think about stuff before you say it.
Vick previously said he "wanted" to stay with Philly as a backup.
And didnt you say that the Texans could decide to draft Clowney?
If they did they might want Schaub to start another year or two while grooming a new young QB
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2014, 11:22:55 AM
Vick previously said he "wanted" to stay with Philly as a backup.
More recently, he said he wants to be a starter again. And this FA QB class is so bad that he might be the best available on the open market.
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And didnt you say that the Texans could decide to draft Clowney?
They could draft a number of players. They could take a QB outside of the first too...
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If they did they might want Schaub to start another year or two while grooming a new young QB
Why would Bill O'Brien want to pay that bum to lose games for them?
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
Why would Bill O'Brien want to pay that bum to lose games for them?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/T-90_Bhisma_cropped.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
More recently, he said he wants to be a starter again. And this FA QB class is so bad that he might be the best available on the open market.
They could draft a number of players. They could take a QB outside of the first too...
Why would Bill O'Brien want to pay that bum to lose games for them?
And if Vicks decides to go that route, and is the top FA qb. A team who doesnt have ANYONE (like we have geno) could decide to pay him way more.
And I never said Schaub was a great idea, but if the Texans dont draft a qb till the 3rd or something, they might renegotiate him to a 1 year deal or something.
Post by: reuben on February 10, 2014, 02:22:18 PM
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Jets hired former S Eric Smith as a coaching intern.
Smith was released by the Jets last February and never resurfaced in the NFL. Turning 31 in March, the Michigan State product is now changing careers. Smith finished his seven-year NFL stint with 36 starts and six interceptions.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 02:38:22 PM
Post by: casman02 on February 10, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
GUESS WHO'S BACK.
As long as he stays off the field there is no issue with it. Maybe the 'Continental Shelf' will be a weight room intern.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 10, 2014, 05:29:31 PM
As long as he stays off the field there is no issue with it. Maybe the 'Continental Shelf' will be a weight room intern.
Haha that nickname is hilariously bad.
Also Smith not on the field is a good thing, but I never got the sense he was a very heady player so I'll be curious to see how his foray into coaching works out for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 06:49:13 PM
Haha that nickname is hilariously bad.
Also Smith not on the field is a good thing, but I never got the sense he was a very heady player so I'll be curious to see how his foray into coaching works out for him.
Wasnt he the QB of the defense when we let Leonhard go ?
Heres an article about Smith 2-3 years ago from one of the beat writers
http://thejetsblog.com/reports/brainiac-eric-smith-studying-a-playbook-is-like-cellular-respiration/
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Smith is smart, borderline brilliant and is largely considered the smartest Jet on the team. The seventh year veteran reads Greek Mythology for fun and got his masters degree several years ago.
(I was going to cut out the part about him getting his masters degree, but fine)
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He’s also the player that all new members of the secondary turns to in order to understand the defense. Smith likened studying the playing book to understanding biology and in particular cellular respiration.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 06:50:22 PM
Also I think its important to point this out, but Tony Sparano Jr got promoted to offensive assistant. The offense is fucked
Post by: Libero_2 on February 10, 2014, 06:54:08 PM
Wasnt he the QB of the defense when we let Leonhard go ?
Heres an article about Smith 2-3 years ago from one of the beat writers
http://thejetsblog.com/reports/brainiac-eric-smith-studying-a-playbook-is-like-cellular-respiration/
(I was going to cut out the part about him getting his masters degree, but fine)
Ah consider me corrected then.
But I'm curious in the analogy he created where Rex Ryan Defensive Playbook = Cellular Respiration. As a science guy, I'd find that one pretty interesting.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 07:07:22 PM
Ah consider me corrected then.
But I'm curious in the analogy he created where Rex Ryan Defensive Playbook = Cellular Respiration. As a science guy, I'd find that one pretty interesting.
“Things start from one thing and kind of evolve from another thing. Things keep adding up, the concepts are related like the cells splitting and reproducing,” Smith told The Jets Blog. “In that way, it reminds me a lot of cellular respiration.”
Post by: reuben on February 10, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
“Things start from one thing and kind of evolve from another thing. Things keep adding up, the concepts are related like the cells splitting and reproducing,” Smith told The Jets Blog. “In that way, it reminds me a lot of cellular respiration.”
Sounds like an inarticulate college freshman comparing everything he observes to a lecture he just heard.
This potato salad is mad Jungian, bro.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2014, 07:34:05 PM
Sounds like an inarticulate college freshman comparing everything he observes to a lecture he just heard.
This potato salad is mad Jungian, bro.
I doubt the guy is smart by universal standards, but a professional football player that reads?
Definitely ahead of the curve
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2014, 06:07:18 AM
"guys, here's how you blitz a slow white fullback masquerading as a QB"
that shits low.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 12, 2014, 03:54:55 PM
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Free agent DT Vaughn Martin recently visited the Lions and Jets.
Ex-Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland gave Martin a two-year, $4 million deal that included $750,000 guaranteed last March only to release him in November after he underwent sports hernia surgery. Martin is said to be fully recovered. The soon-to-be 28-year-old won't command any guaranteed money this go-around.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Post by: Heismanberg on February 12, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2014, 09:22:25 AM
http://www.click2houston.com/news/former-houston-texan-becomes-crime-victim/-/1735978/24447738/-/pqvmscz/-/index.html
Post by: Johnny English on February 13, 2014, 09:25:57 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 13, 2014, 09:32:57 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 13, 2014, 10:30:43 AM
Post by: ons on February 13, 2014, 10:48:59 AM
Obvious question is obvious.
Passenger's seat made of twenty dollar bills.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 13, 2014, 12:13:03 PM
Obvious question is obvious.
Yeah why the hell didnt he keep the money in the back seat?
Post by: hawk on February 13, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
I love the media. One guy says the Jets may check out Schaub, another runs with it, and we are interested.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 13, 2014, 09:44:36 PM
http://fansided.com/2014/02/12/nfl-rumors-new-york-jets-signing-matt-schaub/#!vHgjl
I love the media. One guy says the Jets may check out Schaub, another runs with it, and we are interested.
Waiting for someone to excuse the classless Jets of tampering with Schaub because he's still on the Texans
Post by: ons on February 18, 2014, 09:55:19 AM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/17/projected-lineups-new-york-jets/
Coples looks low, Cro looks high. Wilson looks low for his role. I think it's pretty realistic overall, although obviously it'll look very different after cuts/resignings.
Post by: hawk on February 18, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
PFF reviews the current roster:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/17/projected-lineups-new-york-jets/
Coples looks low, Cro looks high. Wilson looks low for his role. I think it's pretty realistic overall, although obviously it'll look very different after cuts/resignings.
Coples created a ton of Havoc last year. He just didn't finish, and PFF is based on results. I can recall 3 missed sacks, which would have significantly increased his rating. In addition, Coples was injured making a position change. I think he will be more than adequate.
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2014, 09:59:16 AM
PFF reviews the current roster:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/17/projected-lineups-new-york-jets/
Coples looks low, Cro looks high. Wilson looks low for his role. I think it's pretty realistic overall, although obviously it'll look very different after cuts/resignings.
If we went into 2014 with Campbell/Aboushi as the right side of the OL, I'd be convinced the team was trying to kill Geno and collect a life insurance payout.
Post by: reuben on February 18, 2014, 05:03:11 PM
Coples created a ton of Havoc last year. He just didn't finish, and PFF is based on results. I can recall 3 missed sacks, which would have significantly increased his rating. In addition, Coples was injured making a position change. I think he will be more than adequate.
Actually, the draw of PFF is that they grade players indifferent to the "results." They place a lot of value on quarterback pressures that don't result in sacks. The bottom line is that while rushing the quarterback- frequently against a single blocker- Coples created a very modest amount of havoc last year.
Post by: reuben on February 18, 2014, 05:03:36 PM
If we went into 2014 with Campbell/Aboushi as the right side of the OL, I'd be convinced the team was trying to kill Geno and collect a life insurance payout.
Yeah, seeing that made me sad.
Post by: reuben on February 18, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
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Geno Smith is working out with former NFL QB Chris Weinke this offseason.
Smith also worked out with Weinke in the run up to last year's Combine. Weinke tutored Cam Newton in 2011. It's only notable in that Smith appears to be taking every step in trying to improve on his shaky rookie campaign. It's possible the Jets will push Smith with a veteran free agent or draft pick, but he's the heavy favorite to be under center in Week 1.
Championship.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2014, 07:34:19 PM
Championship.
I support this.
Weinke is a great position coach.
Post by: hawk on February 18, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Actually, the draw of PFF is that they grade players indifferent to the "results." They place a lot of value on quarterback pressures that don't result in sacks. The bottom line is that while rushing the quarterback- frequently against a single blocker- Coples created a very modest amount of havoc last year.
Oh, I must have miss read something.
Post by: casman02 on February 18, 2014, 09:53:31 PM
I support this.
Weinke is a great position coach.
And if he sucks we can say it is because he was playing with his Weinke all summer. It is a win win
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2014, 03:38:05 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Idzik said Sanchez (shoulder surgery) is on course to be ready for season. Ryan said Sanchez has begun throwing, presumably light tossing.
Post by: Johnny English on February 20, 2014, 03:39:44 PM
b) Even if he is here, the word you're looking for is "competition"
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
a) Sanchez is too expensive to be here next season
b) Even if he is here, the word you're looking for is "competition"
I dont think Sanchez plays here next year at all, but if he did he wouldnt be too expensive because he sure wont be playing out his current contract
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2014, 03:52:37 PM
Jets GM John Idzik asked about Darrelle Revis: "Who?" #Jets
Post by: Libero_2 on February 20, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
RichCimini Rich Cimini
Jets GM John Idzik asked about Darrelle Revis: "Who?" #Jets
Thats probably not the best way to answer a question in the NY media.
Post by: reuben on February 20, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
Thats probably not the best way to answer a question in the NY media.
Manish: Irate Idzik Blasts Mevi$ at Combine
Post by: Johnny English on February 20, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Manish: Irate Idzik Blasts Mevi$ at Combine
Manish: Idzik Evasive on Revis Return
Post by: Cane on February 20, 2014, 07:51:04 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2014, 08:02:05 PM
Post by: Koz on February 21, 2014, 06:35:03 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2014, 07:11:13 AM
Manish- "John Idzik eat's Darelle Revis' unborn and then lights a bus full of nuns on fire."
Johnny English would then suddenly become Idzik's biggest fan.
Post by: reuben on February 24, 2014, 08:44:52 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2014, 08:50:57 AM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19gdt69t0yhucjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg)
fugly hooters waitresses are fugly.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2014, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 24, 2014, 08:59:39 AM
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2014, 09:06:05 AM
fugly hooters waitresses are fugly.
Considering what Indianapolis has to work with I'd say Hooters did OK.
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
Considering what Indianapolis has to work with I'd say Hooters did OK.
I forgot that was in Indy. Point taken.
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2014, 09:15:40 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 24, 2014, 09:22:21 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2014, 11:43:16 AM
Based on conversations this week, it’s clear the #Jets are viewed as a legitimate possible landing spot for #Eagles QB Michael Vick.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000328766/article/jets-a-legitimate-possible-landing-spot-for-michael-vick
freak. Right. Off.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
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Vick's experience and professionalism is seen as a positive for Jets quarterback Geno Smith
Oh ok
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2014, 11:50:42 AM
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 32m
Based on conversations this week, it’s clear the #Jets are viewed as a legitimate possible landing spot for #Eagles QB Michael Vick.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000328766/article/jets-a-legitimate-possible-landing-spot-for-michael-vick
freak. Right. Off.
Quote
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday that, based on conversations in the past week, it's clear the Jets are viewed as a legitimate possible landing spot for the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, according to sources informed of the Jets' thinking.
That is the most passively constructed vague rumor.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2014, 11:56:25 AM
Post by: NDMick on February 24, 2014, 01:09:33 PM
I heard things might happen to or near people. Maybe.
I heard that based on talking to others a while ago, it's clear that someone is probably going to think about something.
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2014, 01:37:32 PM
it'll probably happen too.
Post by: Tommy on February 24, 2014, 06:28:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2014, 07:01:27 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 24, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
I don't want to have to pull for Vick. I'd rather ride with Geno.
Is it the dog thing mostly?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2014, 08:09:19 PM
Is it the dog thing mostly?Honestly, yeah.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 24, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
I haven't been to many of their locations, but the best looking group of girls I saw was at the one near Hempstead where the Jets practiced at Hofstra. This was over a decade ago, that location is closed now.
Down here we used to frequent the Hooters in Aventura that hired Brazilian broads that at worst were 8.5's. The Hooters down here generally do have well above average looking broads. That said who the freak wants to get attitude from a waitress serving mediocre to poor food, freak that. I can eat at home have much better food and the same attitude.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 24, 2014, 11:50:23 PM
Is it the dog thing mostly?
There's also the injury thing and the fact he sucks now in addition to the dog thing.
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2014, 08:16:54 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2014, 08:47:31 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 25, 2014, 08:47:42 AM
Post by: ons on February 25, 2014, 09:07:18 AM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/02/nfl_combine_jets_trainers_perform_cpr_on_ailing_elderly_airplane_passenger_in_newark.html
I appreciate the story but it's a bit odd to publish it without saying what happened to the woman. Hope she made it.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2014, 09:23:00 AM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Exclusive-Rex--Rob-Ryan-Reunite-in-Indy/c9e83f57-3858-41bd-addf-aba9ee9df67d
Nothing particularly interesting, just a bit of fun with the two of them.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2014, 05:22:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets
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3. Sanchez saga: The Jets met with Mark Sanchez's reps to discuss the quarterback's future. Nothing was settled, but Sanchez will be rehabbing in New Jersey this week, giving the Jets a chance to monitor his surgically-repaired throwing shoulder. One source said the chances of Sanchez returning are about 20 to 30 percent. Obviously, he'd have to accept a large pay cut. Look for this to play out until March 25, when a $2 million roster bonus is due -- or until they find his replacement.
Considering that it was long written in stone that Sanchez was a sure thing to be gone, id say 20-30% is pretty significant.
Obviously its just from some random source, but Sanchezing returning continues to be a legitimate possibility
Less than a month till we have a good idea on his future
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2014, 05:41:35 PM
dcm with his TDK wig on
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2014, 05:54:06 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dvc4zmyf4r2gif/original.gif)
dcm with his TDK wig on
I got off the Sanchez bandwagon a few stops ago.
But with a weak free agent QB class, and less than ideal position to draft a starting QB, it makes sense.
I think the biggest impedience is going to be seeing how the Vick situation looks.
Sanchez has a higher (long term) upside than guys like Vick, Schaub, and McCown by a huge margin. But he unfortunately also has the best chance of blowing up in our faces derailing the season, and getting Rex fired.
Post by: IATA on February 25, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2014, 09:29:25 PM
I'd take McCown over Sanchez. Easily.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 26, 2014, 10:56:14 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 26, 2014, 10:57:01 AM
Sanchez's upside at this point is probably very limited.
I'd take McCown over Sanchez. Easily.
Umm, McCown is 34, upside?
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 11:01:42 AM
McCown > Sanchez > a rookie > Schaub > Testaverde > Vick
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2014, 11:11:07 AM
I hate hijacking the misc thread with Sanchez arguments, but my preference for the QB to compete with Smith next year is:
McCown > Sanchez > a rookie > Schaub > Testaverde > Vick
Mine is very similar, but looks more like this:
McCown > Sanchez > a rookie > Schaub > Testaverde > MBGreen > My grandma > Vick
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 26, 2014, 12:19:37 PM
I hate hijacking the misc thread with Sanchez arguments, but my preference for the QB to compete with Smith next year is:
McCown > Sanchez > a rookie > Schaub > Testaverde > Vick
This is pretty much my list. I'd even put Sanchez in the "top" spot if we also draft one of the big rookies and he takes a big paycut.
What I want is for us to pay Sanchez as little as possible (even if that means renegotiating him down rather than releasing him outright) and for us to draft someone like McCarron to be the starter next year.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 12:23:43 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 26, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
Let Sanchez test the market, then offer him an incentive based contract that allows him to cash in if he becomes the starter and takes the team to the playoffs.
If there is any indication that Sanchez can win his way into January, I'd say don't let him go anywhere.
To let him test the market means we've had to release him, which means we've lost money already. Once he's cut, I don't think there's any reason to bring him back. If you're not convinced he has enough to renegotiate his money down this year, he hasn't shown you enough to bring him back after losing dead money on him.
The entire key for me is to get his money down below what he costs to cut. If you can't do that, cut bait altogether and move on.
Post by: ScotlandJet on February 26, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
Umm, McCown is 34, upside?
I would have McCowan in a heartbeat before Sanchez. I'm sorry I don't see any positive thing to come out of Sanchez staying here. I wish him well and hope he finds a spot but it's time for us to leave buttfumble and all that baggage behind ( no pun intended). We hope Geno is going to progress and having Nacho in the wings is asking for trouble. I want nothing to do with Vick either. If things are this bad looking for a back up lets go back and get Clemens.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
Umm, McCown is 34, upside?
No real upside, but a better chance at winning games because he protects the ball.
Testaverde was 35 when the Jets signed him and he almost took us to the 'ship.
Post by: hawk on February 26, 2014, 12:38:14 PM
If there is any indication that Sanchez can win his way into January, I'd say don't let him go anywhere.
To let him test the market means we've had to release him, which means we've lost money already. Once he's cut, I don't think there's any reason to bring him back. If you're not convinced he has enough to renegotiate his money down this year, he hasn't shown you enough to bring him back after losing dead money on him.
The entire key for me is to get his money down below what he costs to cut. If you can't do that, cut bait altogether and move on.
Why would Sanchez take a pay cut? He isn't going into the season as the #1 guy, I am sure of that, and I am sure he knows that as well.
Also, the only thing he costs us this year is prorated bonus, and you can't get below that even if he took $0 in salary.
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 12:41:09 PM
Sanchez is probably the best free agent QB on the market
Completely disagree
If he wasn't coming back from the surgery, maybe. But teams will prefer Matt Schaub.
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2014, 01:03:33 PM
Completely disagree
If he wasn't coming back from the surgery, maybe. But teams will prefer Matt Schaub.
Sanchez is younger with a shedload more upside. Schaub is a #2 to carry a clipboard, mentor a rookie and step in in case of injury, Sanchez is a potential #1.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
Sanchez is younger with a shedload more upside. Schaub is a #2 to carry a clipboard, mentor a rookie and step in in case of injury, Sanchez is a potential #1.
Schaub doesn't have peanuts for brains.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 26, 2014, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: @MadDogRadio
Phil Simms: "I think if Geno Smith were in this draft class, he'd be the number one (QB)" #ScheinOnSports
I like Simms, but what?
Post by: MBGreen on February 26, 2014, 01:45:42 PM
Okay, back to actual tweets for a sec...
I like Simms, but what?
Simms is just happy the Jets provide his kid with a paycheck.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 26, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
Schaub doesn't have peanuts for brains.
I wouldn't say that after his implosion last season. He seemed eerily similar to Sanchez himself at his worst.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 26, 2014, 01:51:44 PM
Simms is just happy the Jets provide his kid with a paycheck.
Hmmm, you know, if Geno Smith continues to be the Jets' starter, it does leave a door open for Matt.
Seriously though, how is Geno Smith in any way a better prospect than at least the first few guys who will be picked this year?
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 26, 2014, 01:59:12 PM
Simms went on to say this is the worst group of [QB] bodies he's been around in 20 years of covering the Combine.
I thought Jaws was crazy this morning when he said Manziel is a third round QB. Phil Simms has officially lost his damn mind.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 26, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
Oh my...
Simms went on to say this is the worst group of [QB] bodies he's been around in 20 years of covering the Combine.
I thought Jaws was crazy this morning when he said Manziel is a third round QB. Phil Simms has officially lost his damn mind.
Maybe Simms thinks it's still 2013.
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 02:03:44 PM
Maybe Simms thinks it's still 2013.
He'd still be wrong, since Smith wasn't the best out of that group either.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 02:12:15 PM
Post by: reuben on February 26, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
Phil Simms is the white Warren Sapp.
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 02:19:58 PM
Phil Simms on Andre Luck, Nov. 2011: “But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see big time NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him."
Phil Simms is the white Warren Sapp.
Maybe he should have been watching Andrew instead of Andre.
Post by: reuben on February 26, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
I've been in a typo frenzy today, for some reason.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 26, 2014, 02:25:37 PM
Maybe he should have been watching Andrew instead of Andre.
At least it would have explained his opinion.
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2014, 02:41:06 PM
Schaub doesn't have peanuts for brains.
Umm..... did you see Matt Schaub attempting to play football last season? He's one of the biggest reasons that a team tipped to go deep in the postseason last year finds itself with the #1 pick in this draft.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 02:45:17 PM
Umm..... did you see Matt Schaub attempting to play football last season? He's one of the biggest reasons that a team tipped to go deep in the postseason last year finds itself with the #1 pick in this draft.
Did you see Mark Sanchez play football last year? No, because he missed the entire season with a serious injury to his throwing shoulder.
Did you see him play in 2011 and 2012? Awful player.
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 02:47:01 PM
Did you see Mark Sanchez play football last year? No, because he missed the entire season with a serious injury to his throwing shoulder.
Did you see him play in 2011 and 2012? Awful player.
2011 Sanchez would have brought the 2013 Jets to the playoffs.
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Did you see Mark Sanchez play football last year? No, because he missed the entire season with a serious injury to his throwing shoulder.
Did you see him play in 2011 and 2012? Awful player.
No disputing that. But he's five years younger than Schaub and still has plenty of potential, which at times he has shown in New York. He's not going to do it for us now, but given the choice between the two then you're going to take Schaub to mentor a rookie and Sanchez if you need a #2 who could come in and be your credible starter.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 26, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
Sanchez is probably the best free agent QB on the market and he's going to get interest from elsewhere. I can see him refusing to restructure, getting cut and testing the market - I think he'll stand a good chance of winning a starting job somewhere without the baggage he has here.
This is definitely true. However on the flip side, what team could he go to where he would be a very likely to start that ISNT in a position to draft a qb early ?
I mean if he stays with the Jets its a near certainty that we arent planning on drafting a qb early. His greatest competition would be a guy who was one of the absolute worsts qbs in the league this year. He has been learning the offense for over a year. And presumably he still has a positive if not good relationship with our head coach.
If he wanted to wait until after the draft to sign with a team to be sure that they wouldnt be drafting a rookie qb early thats one thing (but doesnt make a ton of sense)
But I dont know if theres a ton of great fits that would put him in a chance to succeed (I realize the Jets definitely dont do that either)
With Oakland playing musical QBs the last few years and having a top 5 pick plus no offensive weapons I cant see him wanting to go there. Maybe Minnesota and Houston make the most sense for him, if they dont opt to draft QBs. He would have a freak ton of weapons with both, although I cant imagine either fan base taking it very well first time he throws a pick 6, especially the Texans.
Post by: MBGreen on February 26, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
2011 Sanchez would have brought the 2013 Jets to the playoffs.
only if he had the 2011 run game and 2011 defense to help carry his derriere.
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 03:26:41 PM
only if he had the 2011 run game and 2011 defense to help carry his derriere.
...the 2011 run game, with a whopping 3.8 ypc.
-_-
Post by: MBGreen on February 26, 2014, 03:31:37 PM
...the 2011 run game, with a whopping 3.8 ypc.
-_-
let's start up the Sanchez argument again. I've got some time to kill.
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 03:34:28 PM
The run game was effective in 2009, 2010 and 2013.
2011-12 it was crap.
Post by: MBGreen on February 26, 2014, 03:52:43 PM
No one was carrying Sanchez in 2011. He had negative help.
The run game was effective in 2009, 2010 and 2013.
2011-12 it was crap.
I don't really care. He needs to go...that's all.
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Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 03:55:02 PM
let's start up the Sanchez argument again. I've got some time to kill.
I don't really care. He needs to go...that's all.
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/Tommy
Post by: MBGreen on February 26, 2014, 03:56:04 PM
/Tommy
That hurts
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Post by: Badger on February 26, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
That hurts
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/Tommy getting plowed by a Thai ladyboy
Post by: bojanglesman on February 26, 2014, 04:00:58 PM
/Tommy getting plowed by a Thai ladyboy
IT WAS A RUB N TUG SMOKESCREEN!
Post by: reuben on February 27, 2014, 12:04:23 PM
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A source tells PFT that Santonio Holmes will be cut soon.
As expected. Holmes has a $1 million roster bonus due on March 13 and carries a $10.75 camp number. The Jets can save $9.25 million against the cap by releasing an oft-injured, locker room cancer that has been wildly unproductive ever since signing a $45 million contract in 2011. In four seasons with the Jets, Holmes has totaled 146 catches for 2,128 yards and 16 touchdowns. They're going to completely overhaul their wideout corps this offseason through free agency and the draft. PFT suggests the Rams, Cardinals and Steelers as possible landing spots for Holmes.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/6/10/1307714652125/Unopened-bottle-of-champa-007.jpg)
...any day now...
And no, the freaking Steelers aren't a possible landing spot for Holmes, PFT. Dumbasses.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 27, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
Post by: Badger on February 27, 2014, 12:17:31 PM
And no, the freaking Steelers aren't a possible landing spot for Holmes, PFT. Dumbasses.
Nor should the Rams be. No love lost between Holmes and Schotty.
Maybe Cleveland?
Post by: Johnny English on February 27, 2014, 12:30:02 PM
Nor should the Rams be. No love lost between Holmes and Schotty.
Maybe Cleveland?
I'd imagine Pettine has also seen or had enough first hand accounts of his locker room behaviour to take a pass.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 27, 2014, 01:01:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 27, 2014, 03:47:05 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329616/article/simms-geno-smith-better-than-any-qb-in-the-2014-draft-class
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The most interesting opinion: "I think if Geno Smith was in this draft class he would be the number one guy, without question."
Maybe we could trade Geno for the #1 overall pick, and a conditional 3rd that could be another first next year
Post by: Heismanberg on February 27, 2014, 03:48:21 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 27, 2014, 03:59:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 27, 2014, 04:02:30 PM
According to Brian Costello, the Jets want to bring Leger Douzable back in 2014. Solid move. He was a nice role player for us.
Hell, I forgot he was a free agent. Sign this backup beast.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 27, 2014, 04:12:26 PM
According to Brian Costello, the Jets want to bring Leger Douzable back in 2014. Solid move. He was a nice role player for us.
Id imagine hed only want a one year deal, with a chance to get himself a real contract after.
With a chance to get a mike devito kinda deal in 2015 if hes lucky
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2014, 11:04:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 08:27:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 08:35:08 AM
The #Jets are planning to let RG Willie Colon hit the open market, per source. No surprise. Recovering from biceps surgery.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2014, 09:30:16 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 09:44:33 AM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 19m
Mark Sanchez apartment hunting in NYC? Does this mean he expects to remain a Jet? #Jets http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/36208/report-sanchez-apartment-hunting-in-nyc …
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2014, 10:42:45 AM
Wild rumors......
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 19m
Mark Sanchez apartment hunting in NYC? Does this mean he expects to remain a Jet? #Jets http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/36208/report-sanchez-apartment-hunting-in-nyc …
Omg maybe we traded Sanchez to the giants
On a side note, does that mean Sanchez is selling his old place? If that's the case maybe he's not gonna be a Jet then!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 11:10:46 AM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Mark Sanchez wasn't even in NY this week, so I'm not sure how he could be checking out a loft in Tribeca. #nyj
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2014, 11:12:23 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2014, 11:12:36 AM
TWITTER WAR!
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Mark Sanchez wasn't even in NY this week, so I'm not sure how he could be checking out a loft in Tribeca. #nyj
I knew it. Manish was secretly wiretapping members of the Jets
Post by: Laxin on March 07, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: ons on March 07, 2014, 01:27:25 PM
Im trying to be patient, but Im starting to wonder when we will see Cro, Holmes and even Sanchez cut and the resigning of Howard. I dont know how we could possibly go into FA without having Howard already locked up. That would be a terrible mistake IMO, even if we have to slightly over pay him.
I'm inclined to give this FO the benefit of the doubt for now but it does have me worried, too.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
Im trying to be patient, but Im starting to wonder when we will see Cro, Holmes and even Sanchez cut and the resigning of Howard. I dont know how we could possibly go into FA without having Howard already locked up. That would be a terrible mistake IMO, even if we have to slightly over pay him.
Sanchez won't be cut until closer to March 25th when his roster bonus kicks in.
I expect Holmes and Cromartie to get released by the end of the weekend. Maybe a surprise cut as well.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 01:31:07 PM
Post by: ons on March 07, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
I expect Holmes and Cromartie to get released by the end of the weekend. Maybe a surprise cut as well.
Do you have anyone in mind? Besides Harris and Goodson, I could conceive of them cutting Dawan Landry. Anything else and I would be completely taken off guard.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
They better not cut Schlauderaff.
Our Victor Cruz
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Do you have anyone in mind? Besides Harris and Goodson, I could conceive of them cutting Dawan Landry. Anything else and I would be completely taken off guard.
I highly doubt Landry gets cut unless us signing Ward or Byrd is imminent.
Tho I wonder if we could pair up Landry with Leonhard
Think id prefer us playing the young guys instead of bringing Leonhard back tho
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
"SANTONIO HOLMES WILL BE RELEASED. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! #TOJ #MIKEDONNELLY"
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
TOJ reporting obvious news and acting like they're breaking it.
"SANTONIO HOLMES WILL BE RELEASED. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! #TOJ #MIKEDONNELLY"
"Darrin Walls is gonna make you forget all about Holmes, fam."
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 03:15:58 PM
"Darrin Walls is gonna make you forget all about Holmes, fam."
#keepgrindin'
Here's some random pics of you not doin' excrement during a game. Fam.
Post by: hawk on March 07, 2014, 03:17:46 PM
Im trying to be patient, but Im starting to wonder when we will see Cro, Holmes and even Sanchez cut and the resigning of Howard. I dont know how we could possibly go into FA without having Howard already locked up. That would be a terrible mistake IMO, even if we have to slightly over pay him.
We have until the 25th to do something with Sanchez. There is no hurry. They will probably shop him.
As far as Holmes and Cro, I would assume their roster bonuses are due the 3rd day of the season. There is no sense in cutting them until we know we can replace them. 4 more days until free agency starts, and that means that any free agent can still be signed by there previous team. It is smart to wait, as it does not affect us at all.
We don't know what Howard's demands are, and if they are ludicrous, let him hit free agency, and then match.
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2014, 03:19:26 PM
We have until the 25th to do something with Sanchez. There is no hurry. They will probably shop him.
"Da Jets screwed Tebow by releasing him too late! Now no one will sign him!"
"Meh, freak Sanchez."
Post by: reuben on March 07, 2014, 04:02:24 PM
We don't know what Howard's demands are, and if they are ludicrous, let him hit free agency, and then match.
We wouldn't necessarily have the opportunity to match, though.
Post by: ons on March 07, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2014, 04:34:54 PM
Turn on the Jets successfully got me to click on their site with their Holmes "story" and they have a new article up where one of them says he'd be happy if the Jets got Jared Abbrederis at 18, especially over Cooks and OBJ.
If that happened, I might "turn" on the Jets.
Post by: ons on March 07, 2014, 04:41:54 PM
If that happened, I might "turn" on the Jets.
He also likes Amaro and Lee at 18 if Abbrederis doesn't work out, of course.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2014, 04:46:06 PM
Turn on the Jets successfully got me to click on their site with their Holmes "story" and they have a new article up where one of them says he'd be happy if the Jets got Jared Abbrederis at 18, especially over Cooks and OBJ.
...my god
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
"I like Jared Abbrederis so much that the Jets should reach for him, fam."
Post by: casman02 on March 07, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Turn on the Jets successfully got me to click on their site with their Holmes "story" and they have a new article up where one of them says he'd be happy if the Jets got Jared Abbrederis at 18, especially over Cooks and OBJ.
I came here to post about this. Didn't read the article, just saw the tweet and my god what an idiot.
Post by: Laxin on March 07, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2014, 05:24:37 PM
I came here to post about this. Didn't read the article, just saw the tweet and my god what an idiot.
A while back he said that the Jets will consider Michael Campanaro at 18, according to Campanaro's cousin.
fam sources
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2014, 05:34:56 PM
Holy excrement, I didnt know that this Mike O'Connor hasnt even graduated freaking high school. Alrighty then.
Hahaha, he was complaining about his parents making him retake the SAT a couple months ago. That was a red flag.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
A while back he said that the Jets will consider Michael Campanaro at 18, according to Campanaro's cousin.
fam sources
That excrement is retarded.
Post by: JFIF on March 08, 2014, 02:05:31 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/442377386248929280
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2014, 03:11:19 PM
I don't know who Eric Allen is but I'd like to thump him in the nose.
Post by: JFIF on March 08, 2014, 03:22:44 PM
2.) You realize it's from NYJets.com, right? Meaning they're not gonna print something widely speculative on the website
Post by: Miamipuck on March 08, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
What an absolute piece of excrement article. I didn't bother going further than the bit where he explained the meaning of the word "judicious", even ignoring the condescension he's apparently dumb enough to think that any GM would say anything other than the incredibly anodyne statement made by Idzik. "Well, to be honest I think the draft's a complete lottery, so I intend to dump picks whenever possible, be incredibly profligate in free agency, make sure we go into each season without a single spare dime of space and just keep my fingers crossed that everything just sort of figures itself out."
I don't know who Eric Allen is but I'd like to thump him in the nose.
Translation:
I do in fact like when scraps rubs up and down my leg.
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2014, 03:57:21 PM
1.) How do you not know who Eric Allen is?
Because I occasionally leave my house.
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2.) You realize it's from NYJets.com, right? Meaning they're not gonna print something widely speculative on the website
Just widely stupid. Got it.
Post by: ons on March 08, 2014, 06:02:45 PM
1.) How do you not know who Eric Allen is?
I have no idea who he is, but that was just a fluff, feel good article.
Post by: JFIF on March 08, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
I have no idea who he is, but that was just a fluff, feel good article.
I'm positive you know who he is. He's basically the only guy who does every video/post game interview on the Jets website for the past few years. Has a bit of an accent
Post by: JFIF on March 08, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
-We should have kept Laron Landry
/JE
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2014, 07:07:32 PM
I'm positive you know who he is. He's basically the only guy who does every video/post game interview on the Jets website for the past few years. Has a bit of an accent
And he was sporting awful Wolverine sideburns for a couple years.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2014, 12:37:54 PM
He grades them all as follows
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A: $6+ million AAV (annual average value), 3+ years guaranteed moneyPut Cumberland as a B, Folk and Howard as a C
B: $2 million-$6 million AAV, 2 years or fewer guaranteed money
C: $2 million or less AAV, 2 years or fewer guaranteed money
D: Minimum salary, 1 year contract
So according to him we would be wildly wildly overpaying Howard
Analysis on Cumberland and Howard
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A former college wide receiver, Cumberland has filled out his frame enough to become a move tight end who can be flexed out and detached from the line of scrimmage. He has good straight-line speed to stretch the seam and extend the field vertically. He is a work in progress as a blocker who can be a useful No. 2 tight end who can improve the passing attack in the red zone with his good catch radius. He's not an ideal starter, but he also won't be a detriment to an offense. An improving player.
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Howard made strides during the 2013 regular season, improving as a full-time starter for the Jets as a right tackle. He has a massive frame and wingspan, as he entered the NFL at nearly 350 pounds (he has since trimmed down). Howard can struggle with quickness from opposing edge rushers but is sufficient as a space player and can be a starting right tackle. He should continue to improve.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2014, 03:30:28 PM
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With about $30 million in cap room, which will grow to $38 million as soon as they cut Santonio Holmes (which will happen any minute now)
Sounds like Holmes could be gone by the end of the day
Post by: casman02 on March 09, 2014, 03:36:49 PM
From Cimini
Sounds like Holmes could be gone by the end of the day
Sounds like it.
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Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3m
As of this second, Santonio Holmes is still a #NYJ. ...that'll change soon tho.
Or the Jets are just screwing with the media and will cut him tomorrow for the hell of it
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2014, 04:01:16 PM
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According to TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline, the Jets intend to "lessen the load" on Geno Smith in his second NFL season, and hope to keep Smith "under 20 passes per game."
Pauline is mostly a draft guru, but gets a fair number of NFL team scoops. He says the Jets plan to re-implement "a more run oriented offense in 2014 in an attempt to exploit their strengths." They obviously don't consider Geno a strength. The Jets played this style of offense for years with Mark Sanchez at the helm, and qualified for two AFC Championship games. They'll attempt to "hide" their quarterback with a strong defense and higher-volume rushing attack.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 09, 2014, 04:53:34 PM
Post by: klaximilian on March 13, 2014, 08:44:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2014, 08:46:10 PM
I think I'm gonna need to stay up on twitter more. Who are the best Jet sources to follow that you guys like?
Well like is a different story...
but
Manish Mehta
Rich Cimini
Kristian Dyer
Dennis Waszak Jr.
Brian Costello
Seth Walder
Steiny31
Are the most useful
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2014, 08:47:22 PM
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 14, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
Well like is a different story...
but
Manish Mehta
Rich Cimini
Kristian Dyer
Dennis Waszak Jr.
Brian Costello
Seth Walder
Steiny31
Are the most useful
Wasczak and Kim Martin seem to be the best "reporters" though they often aren't the first with information. They aren't trolls, which is why I like them. Brian Costello is usually good too. Manish isn't as bad as he's always made out to be, but he does troll a bit. Of this list, the only other one I follow is Cimini.
Mehta and Walder are redundant.
Yeah, like you posted the other day with the "sources say I love you."
Heismanberg took a great shot at Manish later that day. I actually lol'd.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Heismanberg took a great shot at Manish later that day. I actually lol'd.
(http://media.tumblr.com/28a966eed89528fc9057c65fd2414094/tumblr_inline_mkqnwvXxva1ry5hnr.gif)
Mehta sucks. Everything he's said during the first few days of free agency has been dead wrong.
"Emmanuel Sanders will visit. THEY ARE TALKING!!!1!"
"Emmanuel Sanders isn't visiting. Scheduling conflict, I'm told."
"Brandon Pettigrew will sign shortly" *Pettigrew signs almost 24 hours later*
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2014, 11:49:28 AM
(http://media.tumblr.com/28a966eed89528fc9057c65fd2414094/tumblr_inline_mkqnwvXxva1ry5hnr.gif)
Mehta sucks. Everything he's said during the first few days of free agency has been dead wrong.
"Emmanuel Sanders will visit. THEY ARE TALKING!!!1!"
"Emmanuel Sanders isn't visiting. Scheduling conflict, I'm told."
"Brandon Pettigrew will sign shortly" *Pettigrew signs almost 24 hours later*
He hasn't gotten one thing correct, not a thing. It's amazing now that the Jets have Idzik and this bum lost Pettine, the beat writers have not broke one story.
Post by: NDMick on March 14, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
He has not visited Florham Park.
No meeting is scheduled for him to go there any time soon.
But maybe, so it's "unconfirmed."
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 03:38:50 PM
"@mikebarry13: @AntwanBarnes42 Hows the knee feeling man??"-----it's great man.....feel like I can run a 4.4 again.....lol
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2014, 03:46:34 PM
Antwan Barnes @AntwanBarnes42 17sOnly paying him $1.5 million this year. He was solid before injury. He and Pace can hold down that spot this year if he's healthy.
"@mikebarry13: @AntwanBarnes42 Hows the knee feeling man??"-----it's great man.....feel like I can run a 4.4 again.....lol
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 04:23:26 PM
An agent told me the other day that Idzik "won't budge an inch" in negotiations. I think we're seeing that. #nyj
Post by: hawk on March 17, 2014, 04:30:29 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 7m
An agent told me the other day that Idzik "won't budge an inch" in negotiations. I think we're seeing that. #nyj
I am not a fan of that approach. Every negotiation has give and take. Not a reputation you want to build. IMO. "won't budge an inch" is pretty vague though.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2014, 04:31:55 PM
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2014, 04:34:02 PM
Delaying gratification is a healthier approach to life and free agency.
You'll all see when we sign Cromartie back next week. It's gonna feel great.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2014, 04:35:01 PM
You'll all see when we sign Cromartie back next week. It's gonna feel great.for 37 cents and a used rubber.
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on March 17, 2014, 04:41:13 PM
Bob Glauber@BobGlauber·6 mins
From your 2013 timeline? "@MMehtaNYDN: Source on Jets GM Idzik: "He'll get a pass on one fire...and he'll fire Rex after next season." #nyj”
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
I am not a fan of that approach. Every negotiation has give and take. Not a reputation you want to build. IMO. "won't budge an inch" is pretty vague though.
My response to Costello was that that's not a negotiation. "Take it or leave it" is a move you use when you hold the cards. Idzik may feel that he does. Time will tell.
Post by: Coach K on March 17, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
I am not a fan of that approach. Every negotiation has give and take. Not a reputation you want to build. IMO. "won't budge an inch" is pretty vague though.
lol wont budge an inch isnt vague its pretty descriptive.
the question at hand is the validity of this, maybe this came from someone who thought they were going to milk us for every penny of market value beyond the actual talent of their client.
too early to tell. the FA's of any quality had no intention of coming here so its not like we lost a legitimate bidding war over a star worth paying a slightly inflated rate
we will find out with future FA classes and contract discussions.
Post by: Laxin on March 17, 2014, 05:12:21 PM
Only paying him $1.5 million this year. He was solid before injury. He and Pace can hold down that spot this year if he's healthy.
How many stop gaps do we have in addition to holes?
We have a lot more holes exiting FA than I anticipated (granted, FA is completely over, but I doubt we sign anyone significant).
Post by: ons on March 17, 2014, 05:18:04 PM
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Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 25mWoody Johnson employees not named Idzik areManish not happy with Idzik. One just told me Idzik "operates on his own time & schedule.isn't predictable enough for me to understand. Unbelievable"
Fixing Mehta's tweets.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 05:55:51 PM
Fixing Mehta's tweets.
You can do that if you like, but it doesn't make you any less biased than you think Manish is. I don't have much time for him but eventually you have to wonder where the smoke is coming from if there isn't a fire.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 06:02:55 PM
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Manish Mehta
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news Jets couldn't land Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (or any legit CB in free agency): "Rex is pissed." #nyj
6:54PM EDT
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2014, 06:05:40 PM
How many stop gaps do we have in addition to holes?
We have a lot more holes exiting FA than I anticipated (granted, FA is completely over, but I doubt we sign anyone significant).
It's driving me nuts. This is a team littered with holes, lacking in talent across the board, and we have signed 2 guys to this roster while countless others have walked. I'm not saying they need to be high priced guys, but we do need to bring in guys and we need to bring in talent. Right now, we aren't really doing that.
Post by: Ornstein on March 17, 2014, 06:06:02 PM
Seriously, it isn't too late to bring in a decent stop gap at corner.
Post by: Ornstein on March 17, 2014, 06:08:54 PM
It's driving me nuts. This is a team littered with holes, lacking in talent across the board, and we have signed 2 guys to this roster while countless others have walked. I'm not saying they need to be high priced guys, but we do need to bring in guys and we need to bring in talent. Right now, we aren't really doing that.
What talent would we have brought in without severely overpaying for?
This isn't a team that can afford to gamble on overpriced players this off-season. You bring your talent in through the draft. They have 12 picks this year, they'll make something work there.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 06:14:50 PM
What talent would we have brought in without severely overpaying for?
This isn't a team that can afford to gamble on overpriced players this off-season. You bring your talent in through the draft. They have 12 picks this year, they'll make something work there.
But hang on. I have been told repeatedly on this very website that Idzik has a firm and stated strategy that we fill holes in FA, and draft BPA. Seeing as we haven't filled holes in FA - indeed we have more holes now than we had at the start of free agency - we have a problem, because we can't guarantee to fill them in the draft either. After all, BPA is BPA. If the Best Player Available is a defensive tackle, then we take a defensive tackle.
Are you saying that we're already abandoning that strategy and that we're going to use the draft to fill holes? Or are you saying that that was never the strategy at all? It almost starts to feel like no-one really knows what they're doing....
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 06:25:00 PM
Long as we get some mediocre talent to reach the cap bottom, draft well, then roll over a freak ton of cash next year while extending our CORE players we should be alright.
If next years FA is pretty disappointing then it might be time to whine. But we grabbed the best offensive FA weapon available, while avoiding overpaying on bad contracts.
If we lose out on the real Cromartie, then we can start being worried about corner next year a little (although Milliner/Wilson could surprise us)
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2014, 06:26:32 PM
What talent would we have brought in without severely overpaying for?
This isn't a team that can afford to gamble on overpriced players this off-season. You bring your talent in through the draft. They have 12 picks this year, they'll make something work there.
To name a few guys who have signed elsewhere, that I don't believe constitute over payments in any sense. There contracts are per rotoworld.
Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
T.J. Ward (Signed four-year, $23M deal with DEN)
Darren McFadden (1 yr 1.75M deal with OAK)
John Carlson (Signed two-year, $4.65M deal with ARZ)
John Asamoah (Signed five-year, $22.5M deal with ATL)
Walter Thurmond (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with NYG)
All of those guys would have helped out roster out in terms of talent. None of these guys got a deal of $6 million per year or more, in fact, most are on deals less than $4M annually.
Obviously we couldn't have signed all of these guys. Some of them had different wants that we couldn't offer (like being a legit contender this year, or joining their old GM), but you can't argue these guys couldn't have helped the talent level on our roster, and none of them are "bank-breakers." Obviously, Idzik has his plan, and these guys (at least at this cost) weren't in it. He does have to do something with all of our money, and sitting on it, and just holding it in the bank isn't going to do anybody any good.
Post by: Ornstein on March 17, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
But hang on. I have been told repeatedly on this very website that Idzik has a firm and stated strategy that we fill holes in FA, and draft BPA. Seeing as we haven't filled holes in FA - indeed we have more holes now than we had at the start of free agency - we have a problem, because we can't guarantee to fill them in the draft either. After all, BPA is BPA. If the Best Player Available is a defensive tackle, then we take a defensive tackle.
Are you saying that we're already abandoning that strategy and that we're going to use the draft to fill holes? Or are you saying that that was never the strategy at all? It almost starts to feel like no-one really knows what they're doing....
There was no guarantee every single hole would have been filled through free agency and it's really unreasonable to think it would happen. Were only 6 days into free agency and were currently a team looking at maybe a 9 win ceiling depending on how our QB progresses and how much more offensive talent we add between now and the start of the season.
At this point I would assume they haven't abandoned their draft strategy, far from it in fact. There's also still a few rookies from last season that didn't really get to prove themselves at all throughout the season so its not unreasonable to say they could become decent role players or even solid starters this season. You're also forgetting that quite a few cuts happen during training camp and that's where the real bargains are had for filling in gaps throughout the roster.
It sucks losing out on a player like DRC but it really isn't the end of the world. This is a guy who almost retired a month ago and now he just got 14 million guaranteed when he has no passion for the sport anymore? The biggest hole on this roster by far going into this off season was at receiver and we really couldn't have asked for a better signing to fill one of the 2 holes there.
Right now its a bit premature to assume Idzik is an poopchute and doesn't know what he's doing but i'll hold off judgement on him until he's actually had a few years to clean up the shitstorm Tanny left for him.
Post by: hawk on March 17, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
lol wont budge an inch isnt vague its pretty descriptive.
the question at hand is the validity of this, maybe this came from someone who thought they were going to milk us for every penny of market value beyond the actual talent of their client.
too early to tell. the FA's of any quality had no intention of coming here so its not like we lost a legitimate bidding war over a star worth paying a slightly inflated rate
we will find out with future FA classes and contract discussions.
Won't budge an inch on what? There is more to a contract than just the compensation. If he is just making an offer, and won't listen to counter offers and he won't budge an inch, than yes pretty cut an dry, not to mention retarded.
If he won't budge an inch on a specific dollar amount, but is willing to compensate in other ways it isn't so cut and dry. Such as contract length, guarantees, structure, and incentives.
Post by: Ornstein on March 17, 2014, 06:32:30 PM
To name a few guys who have signed elsewhere, that I don't believe constitute over payments in any sense. There contracts are per rotoworld.
Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
T.J. Ward (Signed four-year, $23M deal with DEN)
Darren McFadden (1 yr 1.75M deal with OAK)
John Carlson (Signed two-year, $4.65M deal with ARZ)
John Asamoah (Signed five-year, $22.5M deal with ATL)
Walter Thurmond (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with NYG)
All of those guys would have helped out roster out in terms of talent. None of these guys got a deal of $6 million per year or more, in fact, most are on deals less than $4M annually.
Obviously we couldn't have signed all of these guys. Some of them had different wants that we couldn't offer (like being a legit contender this year), but you can't argue these guys couldn't have helped the talent level on our roster, and none of them are "bank-breakers." Obviously, Idzik has his plan, and these guys (at least at this cost) weren't in it. He does have to do something with all of our money, and sitting on it, and just holding it in the bank isn't going to do anybody any good.
I agree most of them would have helped in some form or another but I'm willing to bet Idzik just felt that some of most of them weren't worth whatever those current teams had offered them.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
To name a few guys who have signed elsewhere, that I don't believe constitute over payments in any sense. There contracts are per rotoworld.
Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
T.J. Ward (Signed four-year, $23M deal with DEN)
Darren McFadden (1 yr 1.75M deal with OAK)
John Carlson (Signed two-year, $4.65M deal with ARZ)
John Asamoah (Signed five-year, $22.5M deal with ATL)
Walter Thurmond (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with NYG)
All of those guys would have helped out roster out in terms of talent. None of these guys got a deal of $6 million per year or more, in fact, most are on deals less than $4M annually.
Obviously we couldn't have signed all of these guys. Some of them had different wants that we couldn't offer (like being a legit contender this year), but you can't argue these guys couldn't have helped the talent level on our roster, and none of them are "bank-breakers." Obviously, Idzik has his plan, and these guys (at least at this cost) weren't in it. He does have to do something with all of our money, and sitting on it, and just holding it in the bank isn't going to do anybody any good.
Mcfadden signed for 4 million
We signed Decker instead of McCluster (and tried to get better players, plus likely draft 1-2 wrs EARLY in the draft)
Carlson didnt make the most sense for us to sign. We already have Cumberland + Sudfeld. If we bring in a 3rd TE he better not have screaming red flags for health. Or well have to cut someone that we like (which we could currently cut Sudfeld if we get good value in the draft)
Asamoahs old GM who drafted him got sent to Atlanta. If you thought we were stealing him youre crazy
Thurmond is probably overpaid, and just got suspended 4 games this recent season.
Ward- Rex dont need a 6m/yr SS. If Byrd was available for that money (or slightly more) id give you that one. But Rex turns nobodys into solid in the box SS
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 06:43:28 PM
Right now its a bit premature to assume Idzik is an poopchute and doesn't know what he's doing but i'll hold off judgement on him until he's actually had a few years to clean up the shitstorm Tanny left for him.
I've made it very clear from the outset that my mind is open, and that my refusal to anoint him the next Bill Polian or Ted Thompson doesn't mean I'm assuming he's the next Matt Millen. I don't think it's unreasonable to have reservations about the moves that he has made so far or the lack thereof, though.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
Mcfadden signed for 4 million
We signed Decker instead of McCluster (and tried to get better players, plus likely draft 1-2 wrs EARLY in the draft)
Carlson didnt make the most sense for us to sign. We already have Cumberland + Sudfeld. If we bring in a 3rd TE he better not have screaming red flags for health. Or well have to cut someone that we like (which we could currently cut Sudfeld if we get good value in the draft)
Asamoahs old GM who drafted him got sent to Atlanta. If you thought we were stealing him youre crazy
Thurmond is probably overpaid, and just got suspended 4 games this recent season.
Ward- Rex dont need a 6m/yr SS. If Byrd was available for that money (or slightly more) id give you that one. But Rex turns nobodys into solid in the box SS
Like I said took the deals from Rotoworld, I thought McFadden got more, but either way still fits the mold of my list, $4M men or less.
By all accounts we wanted to sign 2 WRs and draft 1 early and possibly one more later on. McCluster would have been an excellent 2nd FA WR/return man/gadget player.
We wanted 2 TEs in FA so we didn't feel forced to find a way to get Ebron on draft day. Carlson would have given us that. Also we will have 3 TE's on the roster on opening day, so Sudfeld (who at this point is nothing special) could be kept if we had brought in Carlson and then jettisoned if we drafted a rookie.
Asamoah we wouldn't have stolen away at that price, but up it a couple million and maybe we got a shot. Either way, my list was to point out that there was/were guys on the market that we could bring in for a reasonable price that were going to improve our roster. Asamoah fits that list. Also I said there was no way we were getting everybody, the point was to make a list to prove it wasn't either overpay or sign nobody, there are people in the middle ground that we could have gotten, but did not and have not to this point.
Thurmond is on a 1 year prove-it deal, that with all our money, we could afford to give him this year while we search for a long-term #2 opposite Milliner.
As for Ward, maybe Rex doesn't need a big money safety, but you can't argue Ward as a big upgrade to our corps. His contract was for $5.5M annually with all of his guarantees used up in the first 3 years aka before he is 29. Again, just proving a point that talent can be added without destroying your future. Add to the fact he signed for almost half of what Byrd got, and you can't say it isn't a value deal for Denver.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 06:52:26 PM
Like I said took the deals from Rotoworld, I thought McFadden got more, but either way still fits the mold of my list, $4M men or less.
By all accounts we wanted to sign 2 WRs and draft 1 early and possibly one more later on. McCluster would have been an excellent 2nd FA WR/return man/gadget player.
We wanted 2 TEs in FA so we didn't feel forced to find a way to get Ebron on draft day. Carlson would have given us that. Also we will have 3 TE's on the roster on opening day, so Sudfeld (who at this point is nothing special) could be kept if we had brought in Carlson and then jettisoned if we drafted a rookie.
Asamoah we wouldn't have stolen away at that price, but up it a couple million and maybe we got a shot. Either way, my list was to point out that there was/were guys on the market that we could bring in for a reasonable price that were going to improve our roster. Asamoah fits that list. Also I said there was no way we were getting everybody, the point was to make a list to prove it wasn't either overpay or sign nobody, there are people in the middle ground that we could have gotten, but did not and have not to this point.
Thurmond is on a 1 year prove-it deal, that with all our money, we could afford to give him this year while we search for a long-term #2 opposite Milliner.
As for Ward, maybe Rex doesn't need a big money safety, but you can't argue Ward as a big upgrade to our corps. His contract was for $5.5M annually with all of his guarantees used up in the first 3 years aka before he is 29. Again, just proving a point that talent can be added without destroying your future. Add to the fact he signed for almost half of what Byrd got, and you can't say it isn't a value deal for Denver.
McFaddens 4m is from Roto
We wanted Sanders over McCluster. Didnt happen, we werent interested. We could still find another, and grab 2 in the draft. I for one would prefer 2 in the draft than signing McCluster. After all this is an epic year to draft WRs, so whats the big deal with drafting a couple.
We wont be forced to get Ebron draft day. Right now we have Sudfeld + Cumberland. We likely add another decent body (im hoping for Ed Dickson). That way we have a respectable group of 3, and if the opportunity presents itself we can easily draft someone (if the values there) and cut Sudfeld if we need to. Not a terrible situation by any means. Someone like Carlson wouldve been a huge health risk, possibly forcing Sudfeld/rookie into a starting role across from Cumberland. Not ideal.
And I still dont want Thurmond/Ward
Post by: Heismanberg on March 17, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 07:05:31 PM
Manish trolling Idzik because he has no sources.
Costello as well?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 07:06:49 PM
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Manish Mehta
Source: Jets have had discussions with OL Willie Colon's camp to bring him back. Solid veteran presence. Rehabbing torn biceps tendon. #nyj
7:50PM EDT
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Manish Mehta
Willie Colon's preference is to return with the Jets, as he stated late last season. He has drawn some interest from others though #nyj
7:54PM EDT
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2014, 07:07:11 PM
McFaddens 4m is from Roto
We wanted Sanders over McCluster. Didnt happen, we werent interested. We could still find another, and grab 2 in the draft. I for one would prefer 2 in the draft than signing McCluster. After all this is an epic year to draft WRs, so whats the big deal with drafting a couple.
We wont be forced to get Ebron draft day. Right now we have Sudfeld + Cumberland. We likely add another decent body (im hoping for Ed Dickson). That way we have a respectable group of 3, and if the opportunity presents itself we can easily draft someone (if the values there) and cut Sudfeld if we need to. Not a terrible situation by any means. Someone like Carlson wouldve been a huge health risk, possibly forcing Sudfeld/rookie into a starting role across from Cumberland. Not ideal.
And I still dont want Thurmond/Ward
We didn't get Sanders because we didn't want to pay his asking price. McCluster signed for cheaper and fills multiple roles. But like you said, we didn't want him.
Also do you seriously want Zach motherfucking-Sudfeld as our #2 TE next year? Because that guy is essentially worthless a #3 TE who will be out of the NFL in 2 years barring a major lightbulb moment for him. We need another Te, either its Ebron, Amaro or it's Niklas in the draft, but we gotta get somebody.
I don't give a flying freak if you didn't want Thurmond or Ward, that doesn't mean they weren't guys we could have signed to minimal deals to help improve our roster this year.
That was the point of the list afterall Ornstein wanted to know a list of people we could have signed without breaking the bank, I gave him several names, all making less than $6M per and most making $4M or less.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2014, 07:09:38 PM
Report: Free Agent CB Aaron Berry Visited The Browns Monday http://tinyurl.com/k3zxr3l
Post by: Heismanberg on March 17, 2014, 07:10:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
We didn't get Sanders because we didn't want to pay his asking price. McCluster signed for cheaper and fills multiple roles. But like you said, we didn't want him.
Also do you seriously want Zach motherfucking-Sudfeld as our #2 TE next year? Because that guy is essentially worthless a #3 TE who will be out of the NFL in 2 years barring a major lightbulb moment for him. We need another Te, either its Ebron, Amaro or it's Niklas in the draft, but we gotta get somebody.
I don't give a flying freak if you didn't want Thurmond or Ward, that doesn't mean they weren't guys we could have signed to minimal deals to help improve our roster this year.
That was the point of the list afterall Ornstein wanted to know a list of people we could have signed without breaking the bank, I gave him several names, all making less than $6M per and most making $4M or less.
No, i want Sudfeld as our #3 TE next year. But hes a #3 that we can easily cut if we see someone we like in the draft. I want us to sign Ed Dickson, then keep/cut Sudfeld based on how the draft plays out.
Thurmand cost 3.5 million, and next suspension is a full year. At best he was a 1 year stopgap. Theres no point in a 1 year stop gap for a rebuilding team. And Ward is an expensive SS. Again doesnt make sense for a Rex team. 4 years 23 million isnt minimal btw. We have Allen as a young potentially rising SS. If were grabbing a safety he damn well better be a FS or a cheap SS.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2014, 07:20:05 PM
Do we have a decent blocking TE? Do we even need one?
We need one until we have a capable QB.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2014, 07:20:55 PM
We need one until we have a capable QB.. Sheldon Richardson doesn't need a blocker.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 07:21:36 PM
Do we have a decent blocking TE? Do we even need one?
We have two horrible blocking TEs. Reuland was our best blocking TE last year, and hes no longer with us
Bringing in Dickson is the best case scenario @ TE for free agency atm. Unfortunately I havent seen him linked to us yet. I could easily see him ending up with the Giants though. They seem to have a good track record grabbing bumbling TEs that struggle in the passing game and are good blockers, into good overall TEs.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2014, 08:23:31 PM
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Rich Cimini
Jets are interested in re-signing G Willie Colon, per source. Others teams showing interest. Could have a deal in a few days. #nyj
9:13PM EDT
Post by: Tommy on March 17, 2014, 09:54:37 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 07:49:33 AM
Jets are interested in re-signing G Willie Colon, per source. Others teams showing interest. Could have a deal in a few days. #nyj
9:13PM EDT
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 07:52:24 AM
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Manishilla Mehta
Source: Jets have had discussions with OL Willie Colon's camp to bring him back. Solid veteran presence. Rehabbing torn biceps tendon. #nyj
7:50PM EDT
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2014, 08:02:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 08:08:51 AM
Anyone heard anthing with regards to resigning Willie Colon?
I was wondering about that myself, this is what I found, I am sure there's more:
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Manish Mehta
Source: Jets have had discussions with OL Willie Colon's camp to bring him back. Solid veteran presence. Rehabbing torn biceps tendon. #nyj
7:50PM EDT
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Manish Mehta
Willie Colon's preference is to return with the Jets, as he stated late last season. He has drawn some interest from others though #nyj
7:54PM EDT
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Rich Cimini
Jets are interested in re-signing G Willie Colon, per source. Others teams showing interest. Could have a deal in a few days. #nyj
9:13PM EDT
Post by: ons on March 18, 2014, 10:06:36 AM
You can do that if you like, but it doesn't make you any less biased than you think Manish is. I don't have much time for him but eventually you have to wonder where the smoke is coming from if there isn't a fire.
Considering that Manish hasn't gotten any information correct during this free agency, I sincerely doubt he has good connections with any important 'Woody Johnson employees not named Idzik'.
I'm sure that there are those within the organization who wanted to be more aggressive during free agency - it would be a disservice to the team if everyone was operating on exactly the same wavelength. But I doubt there is substantive sedition and that influential dissenters are leaking damaging quotes to Mehta.
The only thing that necessarily impresses me about this free agency period thus far is the lack of news leaking - but I will judge this offseason by the play on the field next year, not by unsubstantiated tweets by a reporter reduced to shoddy guesswork.
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 11:17:27 AM
And were it just Manish tweeting such things, I might be more inclined to agree with you.
You mean Seth Walder retweeting manish?
or Rotoworld using a blurb from Manish? or ProfootballTabloid making a post based on Manish's tweet?
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 11:38:16 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 4s
League source on Jets: "Don't count on them getting Cromartie. They're not being very aggressive." #nyj
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
More troublemaking by Manish:
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 4s
League source on Jets: "Don't count on them getting Cromartie. They're not being very aggressive." #nyj
Isn't the tone different than this:
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Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Woody Johnson employees not named Idzik are not happy with Idzik. One just told me Idzik "operates on his own time & schedule. Unbelievable"
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Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news Jets couldn't land Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (or any legit CB in free agency): "Rex is pissed." #nyj
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MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
Jets had Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in its building first. Let him out. Giants took advantage. Bottom line: John Idzik blew this one #nyj
Johnny you may or may not like Idzik, I don't know nor do I care, but surely even if you hated him can you not see a clear agenda. This isn't reporting this is excrement stiring, there's a clear agenda going in those tweets.
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
Maybe they're all making it up. Maybe they've all got it in for him. Maybe it's all the nasty horrible media. Or maybe the fourth choice rookie GM hasn't quite figured out how to do his job yet.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 12:03:28 PM
Sure. What I said was that there's no smoke without fire, especially when he isn't the only one reporting it. Costello was also the one reporting that Idzik refuses to negotiate. Someone else (could have been LaCanfora) was reporting the other day that Idzik's tactics were being question by "a source".
Maybe they're all making it up. Maybe they've all got it in for him. Maybe it's all the nasty horrible media. Or maybe the fourth choice rookie GM hasn't quite figured out how to do his job yet.
Gotcha, you're the Manish of JO posters.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
Sorry, but there is definitely smoke. The question is how big is the fire.
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2014, 12:39:51 PM
I'm actually with JohnnyE on this one. At first I admit I was letting Manish get me stirred up and then I kind of took a step back and said to myself "It's just Manish being Manish." But other reporters are starting chime in with like arguments.
Sorry, but there is definitely smoke. The question is how big is the fire.
A source tells me it's a towering inferno. #nyj
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
A source tells me it's a towering inferno. #nyj
Hahaha
In all seriousness though, I'm not saying it's huge. I do think there may be an issue here though.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2014, 12:48:29 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 12:52:13 PM
I do not think playing games with agents and pissing them all off is entirely smart. An agent is the bridge to the player and you don't want to burn those, with notable exceptions like Feinsod and Schwartz.
Post by: ons on March 18, 2014, 12:53:54 PM
I'm actually with JohnnyE on this one. At first I admit I was letting Manish get me stirred up and then I kind of took a step back and said to myself "It's just Manish being Manish." But other reporters are starting chime in with like arguments.
From the Newsday beat reporters:
FYI on Jets: At this point in '13, they looked like a 2-14 team. Revis still unresolved, huge roster issues. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Stop being rational, Bob! We're apparently supposed to be killing the GM on March 18th. Didn't u get the memo???
From the Post beat reporter:
You don't know at this point. Let him finish his work. Not all good players are found in FA. See: Damon Harrison.
From ESPN Jets broadcaster
I get Jets fans frustration..it's way more fun when your team is throwing $ around..It's just that that rarely works..
There are other mechanisms to get players..10-12 draft picks, other teams cuts, draft day trades, etc..the roster is far from set
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 12:55:50 PM
Well, Idzik and Rex are together at Florida State's pro day today. I doubt they flew separately.
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
John Idzik and Rex are at Florida State's Pro Day together #nyj
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news: "Rex flew separately." #nyj
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 12:57:54 PM
From the Newsday beat reporters:
FYI on Jets: At this point in '13, they looked like a 2-14 team. Revis still unresolved, huge roster issues. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Stop being rational, Bob! We're apparently supposed to be killing the GM on March 18th. Didn't u get the memo???
From the Post beat reporter:
You don't know at this point. Let him finish his work. Not all good players are found in FA. See: Damon Harrison.
From ESPN Jets broadcaster
I get Jets fans frustration..it's way more fun when your team is throwing $ around..It's just that that rarely works..
There are other mechanisms to get players..10-12 draft picks, other teams cuts, draft day trades, etc..the roster is far from set
The reporters such as Costello and Wischusen are being pretty fair and balanced, and they're right. They're also expressing some concerns. I realise that doesn't sit well in the Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind, but it's not unreasonable to think that things are not going as well as they might.
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
John Idzik and Rex are at Florida State's Pro Day together #nyj
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news: "Rex flew separately." #nyj
Wasn't Idzik coming from Louisville? Not sure I'd necessarily expect him to swing via New York to pick Rex up.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 18, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
The reporters such as Costello and Wischusen are being pretty fair and balanced, and they're right. They're also expressing some concerns. I realise that doesn't sit well in the Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind, but it's not unreasonable to think that things are not going as well as they might.
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 01:01:37 PM
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
This site is incredibly sunshiney. It's much better than always expecting the worst of every move, but it does go too far the other way. "I've no idea what Idzik is doing, so it must be brilliant!"
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2014, 01:04:22 PM
Wasn't Idzik coming from Louisville? Not sure I'd necessarily expect him to swing via New York to pick Rex up.pretty sure puck made that up.
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
"I don't like John Idzik, he spend under the salary cap too much"
Post by: ons on March 18, 2014, 01:23:29 PM
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
Hivemind = "everyone disagrees with me so it must be them"
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2014, 01:29:33 PM
From the Newsday beat reporters:
FYI on Jets: At this point in '13, they looked like a 2-14 team. Revis still unresolved, huge roster issues. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Stop being rational, Bob! We're apparently supposed to be killing the GM on March 18th. Didn't u get the memo???
From the Post beat reporter:
You don't know at this point. Let him finish his work. Not all good players are found in FA. See: Damon Harrison.
From ESPN Jets broadcaster
I get Jets fans frustration..it's way more fun when your team is throwing $ around..It's just that that rarely works..
There are other mechanisms to get players..10-12 draft picks, other teams cuts, draft day trades, etc..the roster is far from set
Who, exactly, is "killing the GM"? Do we really need to reduce ourselves to strawmen?
The key thing is, it's starting to sound like it's not just Manish fabricating stories of internal frustration at Idzik's methodology. He promised he'd be aggressive in free agency, and hasn't been. He's let the best available talent on defense go elsewhere, despite the fact that his head coach is a defensive guru.
He refused to even speak to Revis' camp (regardless of whether you believe Cimini or Manish on whether Revis was serious about the Jets or not). He left town after letting DRC look at the other home locker room in his own building without coming to a deal (whether you wanted DRC or not). He unceremoniously sent Cromartie packing and has refused to speak to him either. He's barely had any conversations with anyone who has been available.
I'm all for building through the draft, but you can't ignore that you're sitting on a pile of cash with a team that was within a couple of weeks of a playoff berth. I'm not saying break the bank, but not even talking to anyone isn't going to endear you to anyone.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
pretty sure puck made that up.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1887751/nah-o.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2014, 01:31:33 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
http://m.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/03/18/source-jets-deliberately-taking-measured-approach-free-agents/
Fluff piece to promote the hive mentality, nothing to see here.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2014, 01:38:42 PM
http://m.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/03/18/source-jets-deliberately-taking-measured-approach-free-agents/
That's certainly reasonable, and I'm fine with having a plan. But inflexibility in negotiations and stocking a team with lowered talent for a coach whose new contract's salary is conditionally based on playoff wins is still an issue.
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 01:44:04 PM
Hivemind = "everyone disagrees with me so it must be them"
Exactly
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
a coach whose new contract's salary is conditionally based on playoff wins is still an issue.
Why do people keep saying this when no one publicly announced what his contract states? It may be true, but it's far from proven. It's all "sources".
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 01:49:02 PM
He summed up the Idzik situation like this the other day :
People applaud Idzik for plugging all the leaks but get mad at us when we can't update them on what's going on.
Which clearly suggests no one has the inside track on the jets right now. People have to resort to making excrement up.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 01:49:06 PM
This site is incredibly sunshiney.
How long have you actively rooted for the Jets? I'm not trying to be a dick, this is a serious question.
It seems like the people that are the most upset (for lack of a better word) are the ones that expect this team to be something that it isn't. The fans that got used to this team being in the playoffs or right on the outside looking - that's what the Jets have been for most of the 2000s.
It's 1997 for me. That's when I was 10 years old and first started to actually care about the NFL, the New York Jets, and the NFL Draft. 17 seasons. I'd say three of them have been complete disasters: 2003, 2005, and 2007. There are dudes on this site that have watched twice as much of this team, but my generation has been incredibly fortunate.
Since 1997, this team has only had four seasons under .500 and we have fans like you complaining about what this team is/isn't doing in a rebuild. It's a rebuild. This is the longest playoff drought we've had in 17 years. That's a long damn time. It's only a three season stretch.
Let this process play out. Our former GM buried this team in a deep hole. If it gets up to five years, then I'll expect people to start acting like you. But not right now. Complaining about this after our garbage roster went 8-8 in 2013 is hilarious to me.
Keep me calling me a sunshiner because I understand what the word "rebuild" means and that it will take time.
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 01:52:21 PM
/realist
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
We should have resigned Laron Landry but Idzik was a janitor for the Seahawks
/realist
I think I sharted after reading this. Must check shorts.
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2014, 01:56:08 PM
I think I sharted after reading this. Must check shorts.
You might be able to find a starting guard in there.
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2014, 01:56:57 PM
You might be able to find a starting guard in there.
my sharts = Vlad Ducasse
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 01:57:47 PM
Keep me calling me a sunshiner because I understand what the word "rebuild" means and that it will take time.
Do you agree with my problem with the coaching situation then?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Do you agree with my problem with the coaching situation then?
That he's setting him up to fail? No, I don't.
Ryan is down one starter from his 2013 defense, and that guy could still be re-signed. With the rest of free agency, double-digit draft picks, and offseason cuts still to come, this team will be better on paper heading into 2014.
Just because he isn't doing it right now (like you seem to want) doesn't mean that key moves won't be made.
You whined after the draft last season when we took multiple offensive linemen. All of those players stuck and we have depth for the first time in a while. Not sure how anyone can argue those picks now, especially when they all made the final roster. It's a slow, drawn out process. The right way to do things.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2014, 02:14:18 PM
How long have you actively rooted for the Jets? I'm not trying to be a dick, this is a serious question.
It seems like the people that are the most upset (for lack of a better word) are the ones that expect this team to be something that it isn't. The fans that got used to this team being in the playoffs or right on the outside looking - that's what the Jets have been for most of the 2000s.
It's 1997 for me. That's when I was 10 years old and first started to actually care about the NFL, the New York Jets, and the NFL Draft. 17 seasons. I'd say three of them have been complete disasters: 2003, 2005, and 2007. There are dudes on this site that have watched twice as much of this team, but my generation has been incredibly fortunate.
Since 1997, this team has only had four seasons under .500 and we have fans like you complaining about what this team is/isn't doing in a rebuild. It's a rebuild. This is the longest playoff drought we've had in 17 years. That's a long damn time. It's only a three season stretch.
Let this process play out. Our former GM buried this team in a deep hole. If it gets up to five years, then I'll expect people to start acting like you. But not right now. Complaining about this after our garbage roster went 8-8 in 2013 is hilarious to me.
Keep me calling me a sunshiner because I understand what the word "rebuild" means and that it will take time.
This not only perfectly encapsulates what I wanted to say, but also speaks to why I get so frustrated at the, "Jets are a joke roflmao buttfumble lol" mentality. Compared to our history, and some other organizations around the NFL, the Jets have been reasonably successful. Certainly not to the level of the Patriots, Steelers or Giants, but to me a joke right now is the Cowboys with the way they continue to do business by kicking the can down the road and perpetually being in cap hell. Throw the rings in my face if you want, but 1 playoff win in 15 years is freaking terrible. Bills are a joke. Browns are a joke. The Raiders since 2003 have been a dysfunctional mess.
Furthermore, exactly what free agent besides Revis is everyone pissed off about? DRC, Davis and Talib have all had either effort issues, or issues where they pop off a round at their baby mama. I wouldn't have minded Davis at the contract he got, but he chose to stay where he was. Ask Eagles fans about DRC's affinity for effort or tackling. It's funny how no one bitched when we didn't sign him last year when it would've been cheap to do so, but now every airmchair GM is furious we didn't give him 7 mil a year. Talib is an injury-prone headache who got way overpaid.
Anyone want to pay Byrd a ridiculous 9 million a year? Or Whitner 7? We all would've loved TJ Ward at his contract, but the fact is teams that are a piece away like the Broncos have put themselves in a position where theyre an attractive destination for guys to take less. We aren't there yet. I'm more then ok waiting out the market and possibly getting a guys like Davin Joseph, Cris Clemons, Dmitri Patterson or Thomas Decoud on a really cheap deal.
Anyone else enjoy the fact that when it comes time to give Mo Wilk that new deal they'll have the money to actually keep a stud here?
The Jets brought the number 1 wr on the market in on their terms and price. So I don't buy into this notion that they're gun shy, afraid to do a big deal, or are inept at negotiating/slow to do business. To me this seems right now like a sensible FO that's willing to let the name-players get overpaid, and look for the bargains.
To me this off-season was always about surrounding Geno with enough weapons to allow the FO to make an accurate determination of where he's at, and whether he can be the guy. After the Decker signing, I feel as though they're closer to reaching that goal. The FO clearly sees guys like Cumberland, Winters and Allen as ascending players. So why overpay on guys that will clog the depth chart, and not allow the team to really see what some of these guys can bring to the table?
AFC is a two horse race with Indy lurking in the background. Why would they spend like a team that feels as though we have a franchise QB on a closing window and we're a player away? That's not where this team is at.
I do agree with the notion that if what I said above truly is the front office's focus, that barring a total meltdown and regression across the board Rex needs to get a free pass this year.
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
This not only perfectly encapsulates what I wanted to say, but also speaks to why I get so frustrated at the, "Jets are a joke roflmao buttfumble lol" mentality. Compared to our history, and some other organizations around the NFL, the Jets have been reasonably successful. Certainly not to the level of the Patriots, Steelers or Giants, but to me a joke right now is the Cowboys with the way they continue to do business by kicking the can down the road and perpetually being in cap hell. Throw the rings in my face if you want, but 1 playoff win in 15 years is freaking terrible. Bills are a joke. Browns are a joke. The Raiders since 2003 have been a dysfunctional mess.
Furthermore, exactly what free agent besides Revis is everyone pissed off about? DRC, Davis and Talib have all had either effort issues, or issues where they pop off a round at their baby mama. I wouldn't have minded Davis at the contract he got, but he chose to stay where he was. Ask Eagles fans about DRC's affinity for effort or tackling. It's funny how no one bitched when we didn't sign him last year when it would've been cheap to do so, but now every airmchair GM is furious we didn't give him 7 mil a year. Talib is an injury-prone headache who got way overpaid.
Anyone want to pay Byrd a ridiculous 9 million a year? Or Whitner 7? We all would've loved TJ Ward at his contract, but the fact is teams that are a piece away like the Broncos have put themselves in a position where theyre an attractive destination for guys to take less. We aren't there yet. I'm more then ok waiting out the market and possibly getting a guys like Davin Joseph, Cris Clemons, Dmitri Patterson or Thomas Decoud on a really cheap deal.
Anyone else enjoy the fact that when it comes time to give Mo Wilk that new deal they'll have the money to actually keep a stud here?
The Jets brought the number 1 wr on the market in on their terms and price. So I don't buy into this notion that they're gun shy, afraid to do a big deal, or are inept at negotiating/slow to do business. To me this seems right now like a sensible FO that's willing to let the name-players get overpaid, and look for the bargains.
To me this off-season was always about surrounding Geno with enough weapons to allow the FO to make an accurate determination of where he's at, and whether he can be the guy. After the Decker signing, I feel as though they're closer to reaching that goal. The FO clearly sees guys like Cumberland, Winters and Allen as ascending players. So why overpay on guys that will clog the depth chart, and not allow the team to really see what some of these guys can bring to the table?
AFC is a two horse race with Indy lurking in the background. Why would they spend like a team that feels as though we have a franchise QB on a closing window and we're a player away? That's not where this team is at.
I do agree with the notion that if what I said above truly is the front office's focus, that barring a total meltdown and regression across the board Rex needs to get a free pass this year.
Clappy internet gif I'm too lazy to find.
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 02:29:15 PM
That he's setting him up to fail? No, I don't.
That wasn't the point. How do you equate a long term rebuild with a coach having to win in order to keep his job? Either you give the coach the security to develop players as part of a long term plan, or you fill the holes to enable him to win in the short term. It feels like we're doing neither.
If either a) Rex was given a long term contract or b) Rex was fired and a coach was brought in with a remit to be the man in the long term, I could buy your argument a little more.
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 02:36:34 PM
That wasn't the point. How do you equate a long term rebuild with a coach having to win in order to keep his job? Either you give the coach the security to develop players as part of a long term plan, or you fill the holes to enable him to win in the short term. It feels like we're doing neither.
Ryan is just a piece of the puzzle that can be removed if things don't go well in 2014. Whoever comes in (if Ryan is fired) will have an ascending roster with little to no cap concerns.
He's had security long enough. It's time to see what he does with his back against the wall. If the rumors are true about him whining about not getting a corner, he needs to take a look around first. The offense is the problem here and he is a big reason for those issues. He isn't a coordinator.
Like I said, this roster will be better on paper heading into 2014. There wasn't much turnover. If the team falls off, it's on him.
Post by: klaximilian on March 18, 2014, 02:36:45 PM
Ryan is down one starter from his 2013 defense, and that guy could still be re-signed. With the rest of free agency, double-digit draft picks, and offseason cuts still to come, this team will be better on paper heading into 2014.
Reed isn't under contract, or am I missing something?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
Reed isn't under contract, or am I missing something?
He only "started" five games.
Post by: klaximilian on March 18, 2014, 02:39:27 PM
He only "started" five games.
He was stil a starter from the moment he walked in the door until the end of the season. So basically, we'll say two spots on his defense have a hole. Although, that was pretty much a hole to begin with. The secondary needs work.
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2014, 02:42:49 PM
Ryan is just a piece of the puzzle that can be removed if things don't go well in 2014. Whoever comes in (if Ryan is fired) will have an ascending roster with little to no cap concerns.
He's had security long enough. It's time to see what he does with his back against the wall. If the rumors are true about him whining about not getting a corner, he needs to take a look around first. The offense is the problem here and he is a big reason for those issues. He isn't a coordinator.
Like I said, this roster will be better on paper heading into 2014. There wasn't much turnover. If the team falls off, it's on him.
Did we not see what he did with his back to the wall last season?
It's blatantly obvious that the offense is the problem, but it's my recollection and one that appears to be shared (judging by conversations earlier today) that the collapse of the offense was in no small part due to the previous GM going somewhat insane and breaking up the best receiving corps we've seen in a long time. No argument that Rex has made his mistakes on that side - his loyalty to Schottenheimer and the Sparano fiasco - but with an OC in place who looks like he knows what he's doing, this looks like a coaching staff finding its feet again after a couple of pretty horrible years.
I'm still not sure I see the head coach as being just another replaceable part, at least not that easily. The ideas of long term rebuild and short term coaching seem somewhat incompatible to me.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 02:43:55 PM
Ryan is just a piece of the puzzle that can be removed if things don't go well in 2014. Whoever comes in (if Ryan is fired) will have an ascending roster with little to no cap concerns.
He's had security long enough. It's time to see what he does with his back against the wall.
We just saw that in 2013, he didn't have security then, he had to basically win his job back. Rex is more than just a piece of the puzzle, he's key to the whole thing.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 02:47:38 PM
We just saw that in 2013, he didn't have security then, he had to basically win his job back. Rex is more than just a piece of the puzzle, he's key to the whole thing.
We'll see if you're still saying that in December.
Who am I kidding? You'll blame Woody Johnson and John Idzik for trading Darrelle Revis.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 02:51:07 PM
Did we not see what he did with his back to the wall last season?I don't like you, you're a drunk, belligerent player of the pink oboe that happens to be English, that said, I agree with the bolded.
It's blatantly obvious that the offense is the problem, but it's my recollection and one that appears to be shared (judging by conversations earlier today) that the collapse of the offense was in no small part due to the previous GM going somewhat insane and breaking up the best receiving corps we've seen in a long time. No argument that Rex has made his mistakes on that side - his loyalty to Schottenheimer and the Sparano fiasco - but with an OC in place who looks like he knows what he's doing, this looks like a coaching staff finding its feet again after a couple of pretty horrible years.
I'm still not sure I see the head coach as being just another replaceable part, at least not that easily. The ideas of long term rebuild and short term coaching seem somewhat incompatible to me.
Edit: The first tag is great.
Further Edit: You're also Canadian as well, yuck.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
Did we not see what he did with his back to the wall last season?
Beat a couple of excrement teams with a excrement team.
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I'm still not sure I see the head coach as being just another replaceable part, at least not that easily. The ideas of long term rebuild and short term coaching seem somewhat incompatible to me.
The head coach becomes replaceable if he disagrees with the team's philosophy and only cares about one side of the ball.
Their styles don't match up. I never understood why Ryan was kept in the first place. I think 2014 will be his final stand.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 03:04:57 PM
We'll see if you're still saying that in December.
Who am I kidding? You'll blame Woody Johnson and John Idzik for trading Darrelle Revis.
You really can't get your head around someone having a different opinion, can you? I'm over the Revis thing, although it certainly isn't Rex's fault that he's in New England and not here. We have cap space though, that will help us in December, huh?
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 03:05:32 PM
today today today today
RIGHT NOW!!!
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2014, 03:11:23 PM
You really can't get your head around someone having a different opinion, can you? I'm over the Revis thing, although it certainly isn't Rex's fault that he's in New England and not here. We have cap space though, that will help us in December, huh?
"Let's blow our entire salary cap on cornerbacks"
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
"Let's blow our entire salary cap on cornerbacks"
Signing your best player isn't blowing your whole cap, we have almost $30 million we're not using. CBs are getting paid if you look around, must be worth something. It's a passing league.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
Beat a couple of excrement teams with a excrement team.
New England? New Orleans? That's not an entirely fair statement.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2014, 03:27:43 PM
Signing your best player isn't blowing your whole cap, we have almost $30 million we're not using. CBs are getting paid if you look around, must be worth something. It's a passing league.
Uhm we didn't sign what best player?
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
New England? New Orleans? That's not an entirely fair statement.
Nope. Facts don't fit the narrative though.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 03:29:10 PM
New England? New Orleans? That's not an entirely fair statement.
Oakland, Cleveland, Miami = excrement teams
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Nope. Facts don't fit the narrative though.
Last time I checked, Week 7 and Week 9 weren't at the end of the season. His job wasn't being questioned until the Jets were out of the playoff hunt.
Facts destroying your whiny, fictional view of this franchise.
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2014, 03:32:27 PM
Signing your best player isn't blowing your whole cap, we have almost $30 million we're not using. CBs are getting paid if you look around, must be worth something. It's a passing league.
doesn't matter...Rex is key to the whole thing.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
League source on Jets: "Don't count on them getting Cromartie. They're not being very aggressive." #
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2014, 03:46:17 PM
we have almost $30 million we're not using.
It's only been a week into free agency.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
Last time I checked, Week 7 and Week 9 weren't at the end of the season. His job wasn't being questioned until the Jets were out of the playoff hunt.
Facts destroying your whiny, fictional view of this franchise.
His job was being questioned from the moment the 2012 season ended and Tannenbaum was replaced with Idzik. It intensified towards the end of the 2013 season but it didn't start there.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 03:54:47 PM
It's only been a week into free agency.
I understand that but there's certainly enough space there to at least inquire about Revis before signed with the Pats for $12 million, especially when we need CBs.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2014, 04:07:21 PM
I understand that but there's certainly enough space there to at least inquire about Revis before signed with the Pats for $12 million, especially when we need CBs.
Maybe he could have gotten on his knees and licked Revis 's balls? Do you think he would've come here then?
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 04:22:26 PM
Maybe he could have gotten on his knees and licked Revis 's balls? Do you think he would've come here then?
Sounds like your negotiating technique is different than mine. If I had $30 million in cap space and needed a corner, I'd at least have listened to what's going on when he got released.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 04:39:37 PM
Sounds like your negotiating technique is different than mine. If I had $30 million in cap space and needed a corner, I'd at least have listened to what's going on when he got released.
Not if your boss made it clear he could freak himself and wanted nothing absolutely nothing to do with him you wouldn't.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2014, 04:42:04 PM
Sounds like your negotiating technique is different than mine. If I had $30 million in cap space and needed a corner, I'd at least have listened to what's going on when he got released.
Oh so we could have gotten Revis for 2 years 40 million then !
Show those patriots whats up !
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 18, 2014, 04:44:40 PM
Not if your boss made it clear he could freak himself and wanted nothing absolutely nothing to do with him you wouldn't.
This is true. Whether it's Idzik or Woody, putting hurt feelings in the way of getting the best team on the field is a disservice to the fans. We all know Revis is a pain in the derriere but I hate Belichick and Brady a lot more. I'm not even saying sign him necessarily, same thing I said last year, but why take yourself out of the game? He was your own player.
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
This is true. Whether it's Idzik or Woody, putting hurt feelings in the way of getting the best team on the field is a disservice to the fans. We all know Revis is a pain in the derriere but I hate Belichick and Brady a lot more. I'm not even saying sign him necessarily, same thing I said last year, but why take yourself out of the game? He was your own player.
hurt feelings?
how many times should Woody bend over for Revis?
he's not even a starting quarterback for freak sakes.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2014, 06:15:24 PM
This is true. Whether it's Idzik or Woody, putting hurt feelings in the way of getting the best team on the field is a disservice to the fans. We all know Revis is a pain in the derriere but I hate Belichick and Brady a lot more. I'm not even saying sign him necessarily, same thing I said last year, but why take yourself out of the game? He was your own player.
It's just as much a disservice to the fans to have the team's best player hold out every year for a bigger contract and to be a general nuisance to upper management of the team. It hampers the proper running of the organization is a tremendous distraction that does no good for anyone.
Post by: JFIF on March 18, 2014, 11:47:21 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/03/18/polian-plenty-of-time-to-improve-jets/
Post by: Tommy on March 19, 2014, 12:04:31 AM
Hivemind
http://nypost.com/2014/03/18/polian-plenty-of-time-to-improve-jets/
Great read.
Post by: JFIF on March 19, 2014, 12:12:22 AM
/ JE
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 19, 2014, 10:42:40 AM
It's just as much a disservice to the fans to have the team's best player hold out every year for a bigger contract and to be a general nuisance to upper management of the team. It hampers the proper running of the organization is a tremendous distraction that does no good for anyone.
I agree with you there too, but that's mostly management's problem, not ours. Their job is to put the best team on the field that they can, it does us good when he's out there shutting down #1 WRs and we're beating Manning and Brady in the playoffs. For all the bitching about Tannenbaum, he drafted Revis and never had him miss a real game due to a holdout. You can say the hamstring in 2010 was a result of the holdout I guess, but that season worked out pretty well for us. Tannenbaum also got him on a contract that had him signed through 2013 for $6 million without the option of holding out again. That's a great deal, we chose not to take advantage of it but that's not Tannenbaum's fault.
Post by: Coach K on March 19, 2014, 11:12:23 AM
Post by: ons on March 19, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
Jets admonish speculative stories. Then, post speculative stories on official website about FA QB targets while Sanchez is still on roster
Manish is soooo bitter it's hilarious.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 19, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 19, 2014, 01:19:06 PM
Not nearly as bad as Boomer's press conference holding up the #7 jersey with Ken O'Brien still on the roster, that was bullshit.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 19, 2014, 01:21:28 PM
Whether you like or loathe Sanchez, putting up articles about who'd be the best replacement for him on the team website is really kind of dickish. Worse when, like Manish said, it's completely speculative while the organizational philosophy disdains such behavior from the outside media.
It feels disgusting to defend any media, especially Manish.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 19, 2014, 01:24:29 PM
It feels disgusting to defend any media, especially Manish.
Could have just kept your mouth shut. Just sayin. :D
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 19, 2014, 01:28:43 PM
Could have just kept your mouth shut. Just sayin. :D
Hahahahahaha. Yeah. Sure.
Post by: ons on March 19, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
Everyone's hatred for him makes them less likely to see that's he's actually right. At the very least, on this one.
Whether you like or loathe Sanchez, putting up articles about who'd be the best replacement for him on the team website is really kind of dickish. Worse when, like Manish said, it's completely speculative while the organizational philosophy disdains such behavior from the outside media.
It feels disgusting to defend any media, especially Manish.
The only thing I found (just looked it up briefly) on the Jets site about Vick is this: http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/REPORT-Michael-Vick-to-Visit-Jets/8b9975a5-4f69-46a6-8ad6-71d9db6a9a3d
Unless I'm missing some other article, it's a lot of hurt about nothing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 19, 2014, 01:34:53 PM
The only thing I found (just looked it up briefly) on the Jets site about Vick is this: http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/REPORT-Michael-Vick-to-Visit-Jets/8b9975a5-4f69-46a6-8ad6-71d9db6a9a3d
Unless I'm missing some other article, it's a lot of hurt about nothing.
You're right. I hadn't been to the website in ages, so I assumed it was true (mostly because Dan Leberfeld tweeted about it quite a while back). Maybe he's bringing up an old story? That is definitely butthurtedness.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2014, 03:07:46 PM
Post by: JFIF on March 19, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
So I see someone tweetered the rumor of a Jonathan Joseph trade. Haven't heard anyone else say anything.
Some dumb blogger who probably read that horrible rotoworld blurb suggestion and decided to take it as the jets are actively pursuing him.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 19, 2014, 03:36:05 PM
So I see someone tweetered the rumor of a Jonathan Joseph trade. Haven't heard anyone else say anything.
Id much rather Cromartie back. Both have injury concerns, but Joseph's are higher IMO. His contract is not even close to being worth it (11.25 cap number) and Id rather not give up a draft pick for a 30 year old corner. Mo Claiborne would be a better option.
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2014, 03:50:02 PM
Some dumb blogger who probably read that horrible rotoworld blurb suggestion and decided to take it as the jets are actively pursuing him.
To be fair that's exactly what Manish was doing. It's like an ouroboros of bullshit.
Post by: JFIF on March 20, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
We will be interviewing John Idzik + Rex Ryan later. Send us your ?s and I will get to a few. Videos will be posted today.
(Who's Eric Allen?)
Post by: ons on March 20, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
@eallenjets
We will be interviewing John Idzik + Rex Ryan later. Send us your ?s and I will get to a few. Videos will be posted today.
(Who's Eric Allen?)
I swear that's one of the most forgettable names in existence. Now that I'm looking for it I see it routinely, but before a couple weeks I think I just glossed over it every time I saw it in writing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 20, 2014, 11:36:36 AM
@eallenjets
We will be interviewing John Idzik + Rex Ryan later. Send us your ?s and I will get to a few. Videos will be posted today.
(Who's Eric Allen?)
He's a writer for the Jets website. IIRC, he was previously with the Newark Star Ledger (took over for Manish when Manish went to the Daily News).
Post by: JFIF on March 20, 2014, 11:39:41 AM
He's a writer for the Jets website. IIRC, he was previously with the Newark Star Ledger (took over for Manish when Manish went to the Daily News).
It was a joke.
I posted an article for JE he wrote a few days back about Idzik's philosphy and he was saying he has no idea who he is. I asked him how does he not know and his response was that he occasionally leaves his house.
If you recall , JE's position is that we could possibly have no idea what Idzik is thinking or what his philosophy is.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 20, 2014, 12:07:57 PM
It was a joke.
I posted an article for JE he wrote a few days back about Idzik's philosphy and he was saying he has no idea who he is. I asked him how does he not know and his response was that he occasionally leaves his house.
If you recall , JE's position is that we could possibly have no idea what Idzik is thinking or what his philosophy is.
Ah, gotcha.
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Idzik: mentions they've re-signed 7 of own players, which goes "unrecognized." Says it's "big for us." #nyj
Absolutely right. Mike Goodson and Calvin Pace are cornerstones of this team's future. And we managed to offload dead weight like Austin Howard. Good job, John. Earning that money.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2014, 12:26:01 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 10m
Idzik: mentions they've re-signed 7 of own players, which goes "unrecognized." Says it's "big for us." #nyj
Absolutely right. Mike Goodson and Calvin Pace are cornerstones of this team's future. And we managed to offload dead weight like Austin Howard. Good job, John. Earning that money.
We didn't resign Goodson, he's under contract already
Pace, Lankster, walls, Colon, douzable, folk, Cumberland.
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2014, 12:31:30 PM
We didn't resign Goodson, he's under contract already
Pace, Lankster, walls, Colon, douzable, folk, Cumberland.
Clearly those 7 are key signings for us. Far more important than any improvements (Decker notwithstanding).
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2014, 12:32:51 PM
Clearly those 7 are key signings for us. Far more important than any improvements (Decker notwithstanding).
All of them will see significant action this year. And are cheap signings and quality players. I'm actually quite glad to see all those guys back
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2014, 12:36:28 PM
Rex says #Jets feel "really good about our corners," and runs down players. High on Ras-I Dowling.
Forgotten all about him. I don't think anyone doubts his talent but he's got to actually prove he can stay fit before he can sensibly be considered to play the #2 role.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73 3m
Rex says #Jets feel "really good about our corners," and runs down players. High on Ras-I Dowling.
Forgotten all about him. I don't think anyone doubts his talent but he's got to actually prove he can stay fit before he can sensibly be considered to play the #2 role.
It'd be phenomenal if Dowling has a better year for us than Revis for the patriots
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
It'd be phenomenal if Dowling has a better year for us than Revis for the patriots
Unfortunately the alarm would go off at some point around Smith running in his fifth TD in the AFCCG, and you'd have to get up and go to work.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 20, 2014, 12:48:29 PM
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73 3m
Rex says #Jets feel "really good about our corners," and runs down players. High on Ras-I Dowling.
Forgotten all about him. I don't think anyone doubts his talent but he's got to actually prove he can stay fit before he can sensibly be considered to play the #2 role.
that guy gets injured if the wind blows.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 20, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
It'd be phenomenal if Dowling has a better year for us than Revis for the patriots
Come to the tailgate bro we are going to have free unicorn rides with the kids, hot mermaids doing body shots and our Canadian friends are trying to convince the Abominable Snowman to buy a plane ticket. You would quite enjoy yourself there.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 20, 2014, 01:37:46 PM
Idzik may have a plan, but he's quickly testing my patience.
Post by: Koz on March 20, 2014, 01:41:26 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2014, 02:03:55 PM
Idzik may have a plan, but he's quickly testing my patience.
You better strap in, because it's going to be a while before you see the results.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2014, 02:10:18 PM
You better strap in, because it's going to be a while before you see the results.
I mean if Geno or Vick eat their wheaties it could be sooner rather than later
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 20, 2014, 04:38:55 PM
@AdamSchein I've been defending John Idzik. I don't know what he's doing with the CB position.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2014, 04:40:49 PM
Adam ScheinVerified account
@AdamSchein I've been defending John Idzik. I don't know what he's doing with the CB position.
Adam Schein can lick my sac.
Post by: klaximilian on March 20, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
Adam Schein can lick my sac.
To be fair, neither do most of us. I'm honestly a little concerned, but I bet there is a card up his sleeve somewhere. Maybe they have a gem on the roster that we don't know about, or really covet a CB in the middle rounds that they know they can snag.
I have no idea either, but I'm guessing he's not going to field a CB group of bums out there.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
To be fair, neither do most of us. I'm honestly a little concerned, but I bet there is a card up his sleeve somewhere. Maybe they have a gem on the roster that we don't know about, or really covet a CB in the middle rounds that they know they can snag.
I have no idea either, but I'm guessing he's not going to field a CB group of bums out there.
The existence of Adam Schein's face and voice in sports media is one of the greatest travesties in American history.
Post by: JFIF on March 20, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2014, 04:53:17 PM
Why are we posting Adam Schein tweets ?
Because this is the thread for throwaway stuff like that.
Post by: JFIF on March 20, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
Because this is the thread for throwaway stuff like that.
Adam Schein's opinion on things are pretty worthless.
It's like posting Brandon Tierney tweets or someone like that. Just a glorified fan working in te media
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 20, 2014, 05:07:53 PM
Because this is the thread for throwaway stuff like that.
Yes, as I understand it the thread title is: New York Jets related tweets & stuff
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2014, 06:40:49 PM
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Seth WalderVerified account
@SethWalderNYDN
Source confirms that the Jets have expressed interest in bringing back Vlad Ducasse. #nyj
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2014, 06:46:11 PM
I wouldn't be against it either. I haven't given up on Ducasse as being a starting OG in this league. Signing him as a backup/insurance policy isn't a bad move.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2014, 06:47:26 PM
Resigning Ducasse would be an awesome troll job.
I wouldn't be against it either. I haven't given up on Ducasse as being a starting OG in this league. Signing him as a backup/insurance policy isn't a bad move.
He blocks the pee out of dudes on run plays. Depth signing/familiarity is fine with me.
Give him a non-guaranteed deal and have him compete for a spot on the 53.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2014, 06:51:26 PM
He blocks the pee out of dudes on run plays. Depth signing/familiarity is fine with me.That's what I mean. He's 26 years old, and he's improved every year. His biggest issues were always knowing his assignments on pass plays (which he's gotten better at, and continuity here can't hut) and penalties.
Give him a non-guaranteed deal and have him compete for a spot on the 53.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
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RichCimini: The Jets sent multiple reps to watch Fresno State QB Derek Carr today at his pro day. #nyj
He killed his Pro Day too
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2014, 06:53:07 PM
That's what I mean. He's 26 years old, and he's improved every year. His biggest issues were always knowing his assignments on pass plays (which he's gotten better at, and continuity here can't hut) and penalties.
Ducasse > No Knees Ijalana
Post by: Tommy on March 20, 2014, 07:07:59 PM
Adam Schein's opinion on things are pretty worthless.
It's like posting Brandon Tierney tweets or someone like that. Just a glorified fan working in te media
I actually like Adam Schein, except for his voice. I read his tweets in that jewy voice too.
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2014, 08:08:54 PM
I actually like Adam Schein, except for his voice. I read his tweets in that jewy voice too.
You should read work emails in his voice and try not to laugh in the office.
Post by: JFIF on March 20, 2014, 08:34:26 PM
I actually like Adam Schein, except for his voice. I read his tweets in that jewy voice too.
I liked him when he was paired with Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL radio, but they moved him over to Mad Dog radio and has his own show. it's pretty bad
With Rich, there was a guy with actual football knowledge that balanced him out.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2014, 08:40:01 PM
I liked him when he was paired with Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL radio, but they moved him over to Mad Dog radio and has his own show. it's pretty badI wanted to rip my ears out every time Schein talked on that show. His voice is so annoying. He could have told me I won the lottery and I'd still punch him.
With Rich, there was a guy with actual football knowledge that balanced him out.
Post by: JFIF on March 20, 2014, 08:56:15 PM
I wanted to rip my ears out every time Schein talked on that show. His voice is so annoying. He could have told me I won the lottery and I'd still punch him.
He's pretty funny sometimes.
Post by: Tommy on March 20, 2014, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 20, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
I wanted to rip my ears out every time Schein talked on that show. His voice is so annoying. He could have told me I won the lottery and I'd still punch him.
I didn't mind him aside from the fact that he said "uh" at the end of every word preceding a pause.
"The Jets just can't winnuh, and at some point you have to blame Rex Ryanuh."
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2014, 05:51:52 AM
I didn't mind him aside from the fact that he said "uh" at the end of every word preceding a pause.I hated that.
"The Jets just can't winnuh, and at some point you have to blame Rex Ryanuh."
Post by: ons on March 21, 2014, 07:39:46 AM
He killed his Pro Day too
Any word on Davante Adams' performance?
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 21, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
He killed his Pro Day too
He was puking the day before and refused to cancel his pro day. Ballsy.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
Manish Mehta
Column: Jets GM Idzik misjudged CB market in FA. Also did disservice to #NYJ by not personally exploring Revis return
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2014, 11:15:36 AM
Any word on Davante Adams' performance?
Ran a 4.48 40, 37 inch vertical, and destroyed short and intermediate routes with Carr. It sounds like they had some trouble hooking up on long passes, but he was impressive.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2014, 11:16:10 AM
He was puking the day before and refused to cancel his pro day. Ballsy.
That's who he is.
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
He's not butthurt at all
Manish Mehta
Column: Jets GM Idzik misjudged CB market in FA. Also did disservice to #NYJ by not personally exploring Revis return
Manish misjudged the team's level of interest in pretty much every single FA.
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Manish misjudged the team's level of interest in pretty much every single FA.
I just can't stay mad at Idzik knowing that it's what Manish wants.
Post by: Cane on March 22, 2014, 07:10:53 AM
That's who he is.
Except when being pressured in the pocket, because he's terrible then.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2014, 09:26:25 AM
Except when being pressured in the pocket, because he's terrible then.
"I watched two of his games on Youtube. He is terrible."
Post by: Cane on March 22, 2014, 12:33:23 PM
"I watched two of his games on Youtube. He is terrible."
"I watched all of his games live on tv at 10 pm while making a statue of him out of velveeta. He's dreamy...."
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2014, 01:12:47 PM
"I watched all of his games live on tv at 10 pm while making a statue of him out of velveeta. He's dreamy...."
Kraft Mac*
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
Just passed Rex Ryan at owners meeting. He was wearing a shirt that said "will sell wife for beer." P.S. His wife was with him. True story.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2014, 02:15:36 PM
Scott Bair @BairCSN 5m
Just passed Rex Ryan at owners meeting. He was wearing a shirt that said "will sell wife for beer." P.S. His wife was with him. True story.
haha
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2014, 03:23:37 PM
"For all the talk about the CBs the Jets didn't land, the player Rex Ryan really wanted was DeMarcus Ware. And Jets didn't make a run at him."
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2014, 03:27:58 PM
@AdamSchefter:
"For all the talk about the CBs the Jets didn't land, the player Rex Ryan really wanted was DeMarcus Ware. And Jets didn't make a run at him."
Im quite glad we didnt honestly
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2014, 03:34:41 PM
Im quite glad we didnt honestly
I don't know. I certainly didn't want to overpay him, but you have to believe that Rex and Rob talked about him. If Rex wanted him that badly, he must have had a glowing letter of recommendation from Rob.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
I don't know. I certainly didn't want to overpay him, but you have to believe that Rex and Rob talked about him. If Rex wanted him that badly, he must have had a glowing letter of recommendation from Rob.
Hes Demarcus Ware. Everyone knows how good he is.
But theres no point in paying a 31 year old player 10 m/yr with a rebuilding roster.
This is our chance to get ahead of the game with the salary cap, and paying an old guy that much cash aint worth it. Even if hes one of the greats
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2014, 03:39:21 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2014, 03:47:33 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 24, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Hes Demarcus Ware. Everyone knows how good he is.
Ahahahahaha
Post by: JFIF on March 24, 2014, 03:58:48 PM
Which is fine. That's why Idzik is a good counter balance.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2014, 04:00:31 PM
I dispute the idea that we're "just" in rebuilding mode though. This is something I said last year, and I'll continue to repeat. No NY team is ever truly "rebuilding." That's not how it works in this town. Every year you make an effort to compete or heads roll.
Also, there is no reason this team can't both be rebuilding with an eye on the future while simultaneously working to compete. Right now, there is enough cap room and picks to acquire DJax and MJD, which greatly boosts our offensive output.
On top of that, draft some pieces like TE, S, CB and OLB, maybe an OL and a project QB and this is a team that can go above .500 in 2014 and win long-term as well.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 24, 2014, 04:01:52 PM
This is our chance to get ahead of the game with the salary cap...
I'd say we're ahead of the game by now. Cap space can't stop WRs, can't catch passes.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2014, 04:07:38 PM
I'd say we're ahead of the game by now. Cap space can't stop WRs, can't catch passes.
Im refraining from doing my best Heismanberg impression right now.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 24, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
Im refraining from doing my best Heismanberg impression right now.
Go forth my son. You are a man now.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 24, 2014, 04:19:03 PM
Go forth my son. You are a man now.
Is he?
Post by: Nope. on March 29, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Quote
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 13m
Jets made predictable cuts after 2012 (Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith, Eric Smith, etc) to clear $30M. "Cap Hell" is propaganda. #nyj
Shut the freak up Manish.
Post by: JFIF on March 29, 2014, 10:22:12 PM
Post by: Pope on March 29, 2014, 10:27:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
He's not wrong though
Holmes, Harris, Sanchez, pace, contracts were very real.
Plus a few others were quite overpaid.
We were neck deep in bad contracts
Post by: Pope on March 29, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
Holmes, Harris, Sanchez, pace, contracts were very real.
Plus a few others were quite overpaid.
We were neck deep in bad contracts
That's definitely true but they were all expected cuts
Post by: Libero_2 on March 29, 2014, 10:33:24 PM
Im confused why tweet that now? who is throwing around the "cap hell" phrase with this team right now? We are so far from it, we are desperately hoping we spend some money.
Shut the freak up Manish.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2014, 10:34:15 PM
That's definitely true but they were all expected cuts
They absolutely were.
That doesn't make cap hell make believe though.
Those guys ate up a freak ton of cap space
Post by: Nope. on March 29, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
That's definitely true but they were all expected cuts
Even if it was for a few years we were really restricted by terrible contracts. From now on just to appease the great Manish I will refer it as 'cap purgatory'.
Post by: Pope on March 29, 2014, 10:36:47 PM
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2014, 10:39:34 PM
He's not wrong though
Agreed, still a fag though.
Post by: Tommy on March 30, 2014, 12:45:51 AM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2014, 12:48:22 AM
Why use the word "propaganda"? Has Idzik and the jets FO been bragging about getting us out of cap hell?
No, but any positive sentiments about the Jets constitutes propaganda. Just like how all of our wins are flukes and only our losses are real.
Post by: Laxin on March 30, 2014, 10:32:46 AM
Post by: JFIF on March 30, 2014, 10:39:57 AM
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2014, 12:41:33 PM
I'm not saying we should have gone for him. I would have talked to him, were I the Jets GM, especially if Rex did really want him. It's not that big a deal either way.
I dispute the idea that we're "just" in rebuilding mode though. This is something I said last year, and I'll continue to repeat. No NY team is ever truly "rebuilding." That's not how it works in this town. Every year you make an effort to compete or heads roll.
The New York mets would like to say hello.
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2014, 07:20:32 PM
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2014, 07:25:14 PM
Nick Bellore signed his tender I guess.
Sweet, Bellore is probably our best special teamer.
Post by: casman02 on March 30, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 31, 2014, 02:31:56 PM
Looks like we either draft a corner or have "Patterson vs. the nobodys" for the #2 spot.
Rotoshit:
The Jets are hosting free agent CB Dimitri Patterson on Monday.
Patterson is a 30-year-old slot corner who could be viewed as a value pickup at this stage of free agency. He consistently earned positive marks from Pro Football Focus in Miami, and was always a tough match for inside receivers.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2014, 03:03:13 PM
He let the market settle and he's going to add good players for small money.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 31, 2014, 03:11:45 PM
Patterson is a good player. This is the kind of move we should be expecting from Idzik.
He let the market settle and he's going to add good players for small money.
Does he help on the outside? I haven't watched him much, but everything I read says slot corner. I highly doubt Wilson plays anywhere but the slot anymore.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2014, 03:13:23 PM
Does he help on the outside? I haven't watched him much, but everything I read says slot corner. I highly doubt Wilson plays anywhere but the slot anymore.
Pretty sure he played outside in Philadelphia
People get to worked up about corners playing inside and outside. If Patterson can do both, he's even more valuable...especially with so many good tight ends in the NFL.
Post by: reuben on March 31, 2014, 03:24:17 PM
Rotoshit:
The Jets are hosting free agent CB Dimitri Patterson on Monday.
Patterson is a 30-year-old slot corner who could be viewed as a value pickup at this stage of free agency. He consistently earned positive marks from Pro Football Focus in Miami, and was always a tough match for inside receivers.
That's a curious blurb from roto. I checked on PFF... he was only active for six games last year in Miami, and only saw 241 total snaps. He did grade out positively overall, though.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2014, 03:25:14 PM
That's a curious blurb from roto. I checked on PFF... he was only active for six games last year in Miami, and only saw 241 total snaps. He did grade out positively overall, though.
Groin injury
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 01, 2014, 10:19:02 AM
The New York mets would like to say hello.
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Heads roll there every 3 or so years. That's the point.
Post by: Tommy on April 01, 2014, 10:46:23 AM
That's a curious blurb from roto. I checked on PFF... he was only active for six games last year in Miami, and only saw 241 total snaps. He did grade out positively overall, though.
I thought you were done with PFF after their shitty awards.
Post by: reuben on April 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
I thought you were done with PFF after their shitty awards.
No, I'm still a big fan. Like I said back then, the site has its flaws, but its still one of the most valuable football resources on the web.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2014, 09:05:44 AM
Jason LaCumfarthole suggests we bring in Brett Kiesel to rotate with our DL.
Brett Kiesel's beard can play ST.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2014, 09:05:59 AM
Jason LaCumfarthole suggests we bring in Brett Kiesel to rotate with our DL.
Idzik is preparing to offer him a 1 year for $3 and bag of green jelly bellies contract. The Raiders will outbid him and give him a 1 year 5 million though.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2014, 09:06:45 AM
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
Idzik is preparing to offer him a 1 year for $3 and bag of green jelly bellies contract. The Raiders will outbid him and give him a 1 year 5 million though.
Depends what kind of green they are. Apple? Kiwi? Watermelon? Lime?
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
Doesn't make any sense to me unless we had an injury.
He could be a good mentor in a backup role. 12 years in the NFL.
But I'd rather see that roster spot go to a younger developmental guy for future depth.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
Depends what kind of green they are. Apple? Kiwi? Watermelon? Lime?
With that Grizzly Adams beard I think Kiesel is an Apple guy. I can't see him being in his cabin in the woods going Kiwi or Watermelon picking. Make it happen Idzik.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2014, 09:14:14 AM
Doesn't make any sense to me unless we had an injury.
They just resigned Douzable, like Badger said, I would think the next slot would go to a developmental guy. Rex loves those UDFA types on the DL.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 02, 2014, 10:14:55 AM
He could be a good mentor in a backup role. 12 years in the NFL.
But I'd rather see that roster spot go to a younger developmental guy for future depth.
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
Probably not. I was looking for a positive. There is still some untapped potential though, so anything we can do to draw it out would be a good idea.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 02, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2014, 12:01:45 PM
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
Mentors are like lottery tickets
Post by: Heismanberg on April 02, 2014, 12:09:03 PM
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
A veteran player can make more difference off the field than a coach can.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
Definitely, there aren't any successful people that got that way because of mentors.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2014, 12:11:07 PM
Doesn't make any sense to me unless we had an injury.
He would be nice to have as a rotational player. I don't think he is expecting to start this season and he still can make some stops coming off of the bench.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 02, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
No but I wouldn't hate to see somebody brought in to reduce the # of hits our DL is taking in the preseason. They are our best unit, we need them to be healthy for the regular season
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 02, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
No but I wouldn't hate to see somebody brought in to reduce the # of hits our DL is taking in the preseason. They are our best unit, we need them to be healthy for the regular season
Agreed, but that's probably a role better served by camp fodder types than a vet.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 02, 2014, 08:00:32 PM
Agreed, but that's probably a role better served by camp fodder types than a vet.
true, but if they think he has something in the tank or the ability to teach our DL something over the course of camp I say go for it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2014, 10:55:22 PM
Agreed, but that's probably a role better served by camp fodder types than a vet.
I'm not sure of that. Depending on what he has left in the tank I think Keisel could be a better addition than most of what the TC fodder could offer. Unless you were assuming that one of the TC additions would be a better long-term addition. It's not like Keisel would be able to put the Jets in any ginancial difficulties on a rotational player's contract.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 02, 2014, 11:02:04 PM
I'm not sure of that. Depending on what he has left in the tank I think Keisel could be a better addition than most of what the TC fodder could offer. Unless you were assuming that one of the TC additions would be a better long-term addition. It's not like Keisel would be able to put the Jets in any ginancial difficulties on a rotational player's contract.
I just meant for the role of "taking hits in the preseason". That's not a reason to sign Keisel. That's what TC bodies are for. Obviously if the FO thinks he can be a rotational player, he'd be a decent signing.
Post by: JFIF on April 03, 2014, 06:50:57 AM
true, but if they think he has something in the tank or the ability to teach our DL something over the course of camp I say go for it.
He doesn't
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 03, 2014, 08:26:30 AM
I just meant for the role of "taking hits in the preseason". That's not a reason to sign Keisel. That's what TC bodies are for. Obviously if the FO thinks he can be a rotational player, he'd be a decent signing.
Yea I completely mossed the preseason part first time around and thought you meant someone making the roster over him if he were to sign here. My fault.
Still would like to see him in the rotation during the regular season if there's room for him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2014, 08:35:06 AM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on April 03, 2014, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 06, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
Wish a Jets fan would design a logo for me RT @ProFootballTalk RGIII hypes Instagram, uses it to unveil new logo http://wp.me/p14QSB-9sev #nyj
Would love to see what Jets fans come up with!
Post by: hawk on April 06, 2014, 03:22:44 PM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 1m
Wish a Jets fan would design a logo for me RT @ProFootballTalk RGIII hypes Instagram, uses it to unveil new logo http://wp.me/p14QSB-9sev #nyj
Would love to see what Jets fans come up with!
I was looking for a gif of someone talking out of their derriere to reply with.
Post by: IATA on April 06, 2014, 04:10:43 PM
I was looking for a gif of someone talking out of their derriere to reply with.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on April 06, 2014, 05:54:13 PM
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Post by: Badger on April 06, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Post by: IATA on April 07, 2014, 03:40:30 PM
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2014, 03:49:31 PM
http://www.localsyr.com/story/d/story/petition-aims-to-bar-michael-vick-from-suny-cortla/76882/thsPj9x6SEKcpdirbgjl-g
People protesting training camp would be more annoying than the Tebow fans were. At least they were a positive presence.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2014, 03:55:08 PM
People protesting training camp would be more annoying than the Tebow fans were. At least they were a positive presence.
The tebots represented a positive presence to you?
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2014, 03:56:34 PM
The tebots represented a positive presence to you?
They may have been an annoying group of women and children, but at least they were happy. Compared to a potentially angry group of people hurling insults at one of the players. I hear enough of that at the games, I don't want to deal with it at training camp.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
They may have been an annoying group of women and children, but at least they were happy. Compared to a potentially angry group of people hurling insults at one of the players. I hear enough of that at the games, I don't want to deal with it at training camp.
I can buy that.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 07, 2014, 04:36:07 PM
They may have been an annoying group of women and children, but at least they were happy. Compared to a potentially angry group of people hurling insults at one of the players. I hear enough of that at the games, I don't want to deal with it at training camp.
Tebow's birthday was pretty freaking obnoxious. That aside, I get your point.
Also the freak are the Jets going to say if Cortland staff says Vick can't come? I'm willing to bet that Cortland would lose millions and the city/town of Cortland would lose a huge chunk of their summer economy.
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 07, 2014, 10:15:05 PM
There's zero chance they say that to the Jets.
Of course not, but if they did what these assholes want, it would be hilarious
Post by: Tommy on April 07, 2014, 11:10:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2014, 09:28:32 PM
http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/04/10/source-jets-head-coach-rex-ryan-hot-seat/
Post by: Johnny English on April 10, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2014, 09:43:00 PM
That pleases me greatly. I like Rex and I like stability.
Same here. You don't know what you've got till it's gone.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
/sunshine
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2014, 10:00:14 PM
We'll see how everyone feels if this team misses the playoffs again
/sunshine
This could be a much improved team that still finishes 8-8.
Post by: Tommy on April 10, 2014, 10:03:21 PM
Post by: NDMick on April 10, 2014, 10:10:39 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 10, 2014, 10:15:01 PM
To be better than 8-8, Geno has to be better. Or, the defense has to return to 09 form.
The defense will probably be decent, but our pass defense is going to take a hit. I think even if Geno plays on an average level and our defense stays in the Top 10 then our best case scenario will be 9-7.
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
The defense will probably be decent, but our pass defense is going to take a hit. I think even if Geno plays on an average level and our defense stays in the Top 10 then our best case scenario will be 9-7.
Do you mean worst case scenario? Or do you just have a really low bar for average QB performance?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 10, 2014, 10:28:55 PM
Source: Jets head coach Rex Ryan not ‘on any hot seat’I like this article. Playoffs or bust is stupid. Idzik and Rex being on the same page is a good thing. But as the article says, a lot of factors go into it. If they miss the playoffs badly, or the team quits on him, or something else happens, you can fire him. But if they go 8-8 or 9-7 and it's obvious the personnel isn't good enough, I wouldn't support firing him.
http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/04/10/source-jets-head-coach-rex-ryan-hot-seat/
I think it's too early to put a limit on this team's ceiling. However, on paper, this team still needs a lot to go right. Plenty of offseason to go though.
Post by: Tommy on April 10, 2014, 10:36:25 PM
Do you mean worst case scenario? Or do you just have a really low bar for average QB performance?
Our defense won't be good enough to carry the team, just keep us in games. Our running game isn't going to carry the team either because of our weak OLine, so he would have to be better than average to get this team above 8-8.
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
Our defense won't be good enough to carry the team, just keep us in games. Our running game isn't going to carry the team either because of our weak OLine, so he would have to be better than average to get this team above 8-8.
Like I said, what's average? He threw nearly twice as many INTs as he did TDs and we still went 8-8.
Post by: Tommy on April 10, 2014, 10:46:25 PM
Like I said, what's average? He threw nearly twice as many INTs as he did TDs and we still went 8-8.
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit. If he went 1-1, which I'd say is average, then there's a chance we could do slightly better, but if the defense, especially the pass defense, takes a step back then it may not be enough to get us above an 8-8. But a 9-7 could be a possibility in that scenario.
Post by: Johnny English on April 10, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit.
I'm not sure losing a broken Cro is enough of a downgrade to counter an improved offense.
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit. If he went 1-1, which I'd say is average, then there's a chance we could do slightly better, but if the defense, especially the pass defense, takes a step back then it may not be enough to get us above an 8-8. But a 9-7 could be a possibility in that scenario.
The only possible downgrade on D was losing Cromartie, but given his performance last year, Patterson may not be a step down.
Post by: Laxin on April 10, 2014, 11:05:54 PM
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit. If he went 1-1, which I'd say is average, then there's a chance we could do slightly better, but if the defense, especially the pass defense, takes a step back then it may not be enough to get us above an 8-8. But a 9-7 could be a possibility in that scenario.
I dont think we downgraded anywhere on the roster, or at least that I can think of. Cromartie was pretty bad last year, and Breno from Howard should be a lateral move, maybe a slight downgrade. Wilkerson, Harrison, Richardson and Coples will only get better. Same with AA and Milliner should be much better with a full offseason.
We upgraded QB (added Vick and the QB play will be better- either Geno improves or Vick starts) and WR play will definitely be better and so should the TE position assuming we draft one.
Barring a poor draft where we dont get any impact players, I think we are a 9-7 team with room to grow.
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
Geno: upgrade over rookie self
Decker: upgrade over what Holmes gave us the last two years
Winters: upgrade over rookie self
Colon: will either stay the same or decline
Giaco: question mark, could be an upgrade over what Howard was last year
Milliner: upgrade over rookie self
Davis: will either get slightly better or stay the same
Harris: will either stay the same or decline
Coples: will either get slightly better or stay the same
Allen: will either get slightly better or stay the same
Patterson: question mark, could be an upgrade over what Cro was last year
It's a mixed bag, but we have more potential positives than definite negatives, and hopefully some of it gets addressed in the draft.
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2014, 11:09:28 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 10, 2014, 11:09:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 10, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
We upgraded QB (added Vick and the QB play will be better- either Geno improves or Vick starts)
If Vick starts we're in trouble, he's really not that good any more.
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2014, 11:19:59 PM
If Vick starts we're in trouble, he's really not that good any more.
He aims his fumbles better than Geno/Sanchez.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2014, 07:36:58 AM
We'll see how everyone feels if this team misses the playoffs again
/sunshine
Come on dude we will just watch a few episodes of True Detective and have rainbows coming out of our assholes.
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Post by: Coach K on April 11, 2014, 07:45:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2014, 07:51:24 AM
Post by: JFIF on April 11, 2014, 08:12:06 AM
Idzik is way too smart of a guy to make such a black and white ultimatum.
I'm not surprised that Idzik and Rex have a good working relationship. I imagine Rex being pretty easy to get along with and having enough redeeming characteristics to be able to deal with reigning him in some. Rex isn't such an ego maniac that he won't listen to other people or adapt his philosophy.
Post by: Tommy on April 11, 2014, 08:30:49 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 11, 2014, 08:59:55 AM
With Rex at least Idzik knows who he's dealing with. Why bring in another guy who may or may not do better. The risks outweighs the benefits in switching a decent HC for an unknown.
Badger and I have discussed this very thing at length.
I'd say it's fair to call Rex a B+ coach. He seems to have learned the ropes now and has a agreed GM who won't mortgage the future for the now.
The only way you make a definite upgrade over him is to bring someone in with a ring that's still relevant. And those guys already have jobs for other NFL teams. That simple.
Post by: ons on April 11, 2014, 09:10:41 AM
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2014, 09:15:05 AM
I'm nervous that Rex's ability to disguise his overload blitzes has become less and less effective the longer he's been in the league. I haven't looked into this particularly, just a feeling I've developed over the past few years.
Everyone sees it. When he first came here there was a lot of talk about how he was the anti-Mangini, and he'd build the scheme around the players and not the other way around, but it doesn't really feel like that's been the case for the last few years.
I don't really care how he fields a good D, as long as he actually does it, and it seems like the D is on the upswing right now.
Post by: Laxin on April 11, 2014, 09:58:23 AM
If Vick starts we're in trouble, he's really not that good any more.
I agree, and hope he never sees the field. Vick is most likely better than what Geno gave the Jets for a good amount of last year.
I do expect Geno to be much better with a 2nd year and an improve supporting cast.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2014, 12:26:31 PM
I'm nervous that Rex's ability to disguise his overload blitzes has become less and less effective the longer he's been in the league. I haven't looked into this particularly, just a feeling I've developed over the past few years.
Everyone sees it. When he first came here there was a lot of talk about how he was the anti-Mangini, and he'd build the scheme around the players and not the other way around, but it doesn't really feel like that's been the case for the last few years.
I don't really care how he fields a good D, as long as he actually does it, and it seems like the D is on the upswing right now.
The Jets didn't blitz nearly as much last year because they didn't have to. I think Rex adjusts pretty well to his personnel as much if not more so than any defensive coach. The first few years he relied on the secondary to design a scheme around and now he is relying on the front 4 to front 5.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
As for the defense, people are sleeping on Coples. Let's not forget he was progressing in his new role when he broke his ankle. Then he was showing flashes late in the year once he was finally healthy again. He may just be a key piece to the front 7.
Rex doesn't utilize the exotic blitzes as often anymore, and with good reason. He has no Darrelle Revis protecting his secondary. If Milliner progresses to a point where he's a legit man-to-man corner, and whoever is on the other side can stick with their assignment, and we get reasonable safety play (I know, that's a lot of 'ifs') then I think Rex will go back to being creative up front.
It's not as much Rex's ability to tailor his system to the talent as much as it is he needs his one guy in the secondary who is available to clean up a broken play. Maybe that's Jim Leonhard or Eric Smith, but he needs that "reliable" guy who he feels he can count on to back up everyone else if he over-commits up front.
Post by: reuben on April 11, 2014, 02:30:57 PM
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ESPN New York suggests Jets CB Kyle Wilson's roster spot could be in jeopardy.
Wilson, the No. 29 overall pick in the 2010 draft, has one year left on his rookie deal and has shown that he's really a slot corner only. The Jets recently signed CB Dimitri Patterson, another slot corner, to a one-year, $3 million deal. "Wilson makes no plays," said an AFC scout. He has just three career interceptions. The Jets will be eyeing cornerback help in next month's draft.
...is freaking retarded. You now have my opinion on the subject. Carry on.
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2014, 02:36:39 PM
There's no basis to it besides (Cimini's) speculation and an anonymous AFC scout's shitty input.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2014, 03:16:17 PM
Why would a nickle corner's job be in jeopardy? One who is actually quite good at that particular job, no less. The Jets shouldn't be looking too hard at corner this draft unless something falls in their laps.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2014, 04:47:37 PM
I've been out of the loop for a minute, trying to catch up. I'm sure this blurb is tucked in a thread somewhere, but this...
...is freaking retarded. You now have my opinion on the subject. Carry on.
agreed. Wilson didn't become the awesome outside corner we hoped for, but the kid is kicking derriere in the slot. If anybody would be on the chopping block in the event we got lucky and drafted Gilbert at 18 it would be Patterson. Sure Patterson can play the nickel as well, but Wilson is better, and much less of an injury risk.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2014, 05:52:50 PM
There is one thing people are overlooking last year that should benefit the defense. The Jets had an absurdly low fumble to fumble recovery ratio. In fact the Jets were last in the league in fumble recoveries with 2. That ratio always comes back to the mean.Another good point. Helps cancel out that the Jets' record in close games was so good.
Post by: Johnny English on April 11, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
agreed. Wilson didn't become the awesome outside corner we hoped for, but the kid is kicking derriere in the slot. If anybody would be on the chopping block in the event we got lucky and drafted Gilbert at 18 it would be Patterson. Sure Patterson can play the nickel as well, but Wilson is better, and much less of an injury risk.
Wilson's also four years younger. Since when do slot corners make a lot of interceptions anyway?
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2014, 06:55:59 PM
Klecko no longer a Modern Era HOF possibility, now he might be able to get in as a Seniors Candidate.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 14, 2014, 07:06:56 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-randylangeblogfb/Joe-Klecko-Takes-Aim-at-Hall-of-Fame-Again/5aa49d39-c404-4bf8-a618-d4fe0c55b256
Klecko no longer a Modern Era HOF possibility, now he might be able to get in as a Seniors Candidate.
So that will drastically improve his chances won't it?
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2014, 07:11:12 PM
So that will drastically improve his chances won't it?
I would think so.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2014, 10:44:29 PM
So that will drastically improve his chances won't it?Hell yes almost all the players interviewed in that era say Klecko deserves Hall of Fame status.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 15, 2014, 07:47:59 AM
Hell yes almost all the players interviewed in that era say Klecko deserves Hall of Fame status.
Good. Also is there such a thing as a first senior ballot HOF?
Post by: Coach K on April 15, 2014, 08:02:59 AM
Hell yes almost all the players interviewed in that era say Klecko deserves Hall of Fame status.
Yeah he was before my time but I've seen plenty of him on film. And every time someone is asked about him, former players all agree they hated lining up against him cause they knew they were in for an all day battle.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 15, 2014, 08:22:21 AM
Good. Also is there such a thing as a first senior ballot HOF?
Hahahah I don't know.
Yeah he was before my time but I've seen plenty of him on film. And every time someone is asked about him, former players all agree they hated lining up against him cause they knew they were in for an all day battle.
Exactly, I have seen Anthony Munoz (I think) say that Klecko was the toughest player he lined up against as did Dwight Stephenson. They both endorsed h I just think the Jets poor history from that era has killed his chances. He went to the Pro Bowl ( I know) at 3 different positions. He dominated from every position of the line. Too bad they never counted sacks back then he would have had a pretty good amount.
Post by: guinness77 on April 16, 2014, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2014, 06:51:33 PM
https://twitter.com/GangGreenNation/status/456942211012517889
Post by: NDMick on April 19, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342217/article/jets-eric-decker-excited-for-hungry-chris-johnson
Post by: gat dayum on April 19, 2014, 09:13:20 PM
Post by: Badger on April 19, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
Mehta twitter got hacked anybody know what got posted
https://twitter.com/LT__THATSME/status/457701401720676352
Post by: Heismanberg on April 19, 2014, 09:28:45 PM
Mehta twitter got hacked anybody know what got posted
Some excrement about a fruit that makes you lose weight
Post by: Badger on April 19, 2014, 09:30:26 PM
Some excrement about a fruit that makes you lose weight
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Post by: Badger on April 22, 2014, 03:31:05 PM
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Here are some tweets from a conference call the Jets players were on just a short time ago:
Jets DL Sheldon Richardson says he wants to create more turnovers as a defense and "get more sacks" in his second year. #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Sheldon Richardson said he is "most definitely" better than a 3.5-sack DT. #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
Defensive Rookie of the Year Sheldon Richardson (@Godforshort): "You've yet to see the best of Sheldon Richardson." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Sheldon called Michael Vick "Great competition for Geno." #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
Richardson on Chris Johnson: "He's a highlight reel waiting to happen." #nyj
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) April 21, 2014
Geno on Vick: "He’s a good guy. Looking forward to working with him, looking forward to competing with him as well." #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
More Geno on Michael Vick signing: "Overall, I think it’ll make the team better. And I’m all for competition." #jets
— Kimberley A. Martin (@KMart_LI) April 21, 2014
Geno Smith on Vick: "He's a veteran with tons of exeprience.. He's played in many big games...but I look forward to learning from him" #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Does Geno expect to be the starter with the Jets? "Yes." #nyj
— Brian Costello (@BrianCoz) April 21, 2014
Geno Smith: "With the experience I've gained... I feel like I'm more than capable of being the starter." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Geno Smith on cutting down turnovers from last season: Says he watched the film "over and over and over... as painful as it is." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Geno won't knock last year's offense: "It all comes down to me. If I would've done things better, we would've done better as an offense"
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Mangold on Vick: "I'm excited about having him here. He's a heckuva player." #Jets
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Jets center @NickMangold: "We saw some flashes last year. Especially the way we ended last year... Everyone's upbeat." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex Ryan: "I feel kind of a buzz, just a little pep in everybody's step walking in. Our team is excited about this season" #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex says the stable of RBs reminds him of 2009. "We had a great stable of backs. That's what we have here." #nyj
— Brian Costello (@BrianCoz) April 21, 2014
Rex on CJ2K: "When u look at our stable of backs, it's pretty good. Kind of reminds me of my 1st year here."
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
When talking about RBs, Rex did mention that team is hoping Goodson comes back from knee injury. #Jets
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Rex Ryan: "We're not going to be absolutely saying we're going back to the Ground & Pound... unless we choose to." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex says Mike Goodson won't be able to do anything "in near future" coming off ACL/MCL repair. (MG likely odd man out though with CJ in mix)
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex says "we feel pretty good there" when talking about his CBs.
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Rex on CJ2K and workload: "Nothing was ever promised that you’re going to get X amount of carries." #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex: "The biggest thing Mike (Vick) is going to help Geno with is his experience and his experience in this system." #jets
— Kimberley A. Martin (@KMart_LI) April 21, 2014
Post by: ons on April 22, 2014, 04:06:30 PM
Post by: hawk on April 22, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/4/21/5636764/time-to-go-back-to-work-some-jets-quotes
Geno won't knock last year's offense: "It all comes down to me. If I would've done things better, we would've done better as an offense"
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Say what you want about Smith, but this is a very repetitive theme from him. You gotta love that.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2014, 05:53:31 PM
Say what you want about Smith, but this is a very repetitive theme from him. You gotta love that.
He admits that he sucks. I agree with him.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2014, 06:12:45 PM
He admits that he sucks. I agree with him.
Could be worse
He could've been eating a hot dog when he said it
Post by: bojanglesman on April 22, 2014, 06:28:15 PM
Could be worseHe was eating a hot dog in a game they won.
He could've been eating a hot dog when he said it
Post by: Ornstein on April 22, 2014, 07:41:54 PM
Geno won't knock last year's offense: "It all comes down to me. If I would've done things better, we would've done better as an offense"
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Say what you want about Smith, but this is a very repetitive theme from him. You gotta love that.
So what? Sanchez would do the same thing at the press conferences after he excrement the bed in games.
Post by: reuben on April 22, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
So what? Sanchez would do the same thing at the press conferences after he excrement the bed in games.
Yeah, press conference remorse was one of Sanchez's elite traits. Few NFL quarterbacks can admit to sucking with such aplomb and poise.
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2014, 09:33:06 PM
Post by: reuben on April 22, 2014, 09:35:50 PM
It's pretty sad when the only redeeming quality of our QBs is their ability to blame themselves for playing like excrement.
It's a notch worse when they lack even that quality.
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Post by: Miamipuck on April 23, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
It's pretty sad when the only redeeming quality of our QBs is their ability to blame themselves for playing like excrement.
I was thinking the same damn thing.
Post by: ons on April 23, 2014, 09:08:03 AM
I like Geno's approach better. And I do think that he's genuinely more inclined to be neurotic about his film study than Sanchez - purely based on an unfounded gut feeling about his personality.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 23, 2014, 11:48:10 AM
I think there's a difference between how Geno and Sanchez handle the media. Sanchez was comfortable with the spotlight and always knew to say the right thing. I get the sense that Geno has no use for the media and just says whatever it takes to get the interview over with.
I like Geno's approach better. And I do think that he's genuinely more inclined to be neurotic about his film study than Sanchez - purely based on an unfounded gut feeling about his personality.
I have to agree with you.
I often complained about Sanchez not properly taking his own responsibility in his pressers. A lot of people credited him for taking blame, but he very often used the term "we" rather than "I." Geno is quick to say "I messed up." "I need to play better." "I made mistakes that I need to fix." The difference is subtle, but important.
I think Geno is more committed to finding a way to stick in this league than Sanchez was. Mark spent a lot of time in the film room, like Geno, but it almost felt like Sanchez expected it to be enough. Geno seems to genuinely want to learn. Whether he will or won't is obviously the important question, but I guess we'll see.
It's funny. I wanted the Jets to keep Sanchez and give him another shot. In the end, with hindsight, Sanchez was more of a talker while Geno is more a straight shooter who just wants to get back to work.
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2014, 11:49:27 AM
I have to agree with you.
I often complained about Sanchez not properly taking his own responsibility in his pressers. A lot of people credited him for taking blame, but he very often used the term "we" rather than "I." Geno is quick to say "I messed up." "I need to play better." "I made mistakes that I need to fix." The difference is subtle, but important.
I think this is revisionist history. They sound exactly the same.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 23, 2014, 12:34:04 PM
I think this is revisionist history. They sound exactly the same.
If we could go back to the old boards you'd see it's not revisionist. I argued with a number of people that I didn't feel Sanchez ever took responsibility for his mistakes in his postgame pressers. Sanchez always said things to the effect of "We made mistakes." "We'll get back to the film and make the adjustments."
Geno points the finger squarely at himself and says "I made mistakes." "I have to watch the film and fix it."
Again, it's subtle, but it's also significant. I've never honestly believed the problem was all Sanchez or all Geno. That said, taking full responsibility for your problems is the kind of thing I want to see from a QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2014, 12:35:13 PM
If we could go back to the old boards you'd see it's not revisionist. I argued with a number of people that I didn't feel Sanchez ever took responsibility for his mistakes in his postgame pressers. Sanchez always said things to the effect of "We made mistakes." "We'll get back to the film and make the adjustments."
Geno points the finger squarely at himself and says "I made mistakes." "I have to watch the film and fix it."
Again, it's subtle, but it's also significant. I've never honestly believed the problem was all Sanchez or all Geno. That said, taking full responsibility for your problems is the kind of thing I want to see from a QB.
It's a team sport.
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2014, 12:35:52 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 23, 2014, 12:38:31 PM
It's a team sport.
I don't disagree. My last paragraph said that much. Still, I admire a guy who takes full responsibility, even if it's not entirely his fault.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2014, 05:45:23 PM
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According to a Chicago radio station (@jhsthegame) the Bears will be traveling to MetLife Week 3 for MNF.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2014, 01:11:30 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2014, 01:14:03 PM
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2014, 01:20:12 PM
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2014, 01:20:26 PM
Geiger got burned.
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Can you screenshot this?
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
Can you screenshot this?
He took it down. Best I can do:
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@23hundred 24m@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_) they can dream right? Lol - (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/456859937289682945/e2oCejEQ_bigger.jpeg) Mr Obvious Guy
@MrObviousGuy 21m “@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_): Picture of Darrelle Revis on Jets 2014 schedule. pic.twitter.com/2ebShesMjc (http://t.co/2ebShesMjc)” Man, that@USAirways (https://twitter.com/USAirways) PR guy got a new job quick...
- (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000140455821/48cffd184722010a065daa528f5e1065_bigger.jpeg) Leora Kaplan
@LeoraKaplan 21m .@CawhlTweets (https://twitter.com/CawhlTweets) guess the Jets were hopeful he'd come back? LOL. RT@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_) Picture of Revis on Jets '14 schedule. pic.twitter.com/qP5lZ3LjW4 (http://t.co/qP5lZ3LjW4)
- (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/425871274666389504/7vGQyqKt_bigger.jpeg) Jared
@jaspegz 21m@KyleTeichert (https://twitter.com/KyleTeichert)@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_) lmaooo
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000521071478/8c80b1f4aaa1b7ebca757dcf77d24c58_bigger.jpeg) Devanand @_KingDev_ 21m@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_) pic.twitter.com/7iG5PtgJDs (http://t.co/7iG5PtgJDs)
- (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000693471375/7860e64f0603d93551e423cf97209afe_bigger.jpeg) Steve Striffolino
@SteveStriff 21m@emesola (https://twitter.com/emesola)@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_) yes, it's Kerley. pic.twitter.com/cgF0Hb1ZHZ (http://t.co/cgF0Hb1ZHZ)
- (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2267691353/1mta4owwnr07ngglyukq_bigger.jpeg) Brian Canell
@bcanell 21m@LeoraKaplan (https://twitter.com/LeoraKaplan)@CawhlTweets (https://twitter.com/CawhlTweets) that is typical#LOLJets (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23LOLJets&src=hash) right there.
- (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459394719341355009/fJynih3E_bigger.jpeg) Joey Oshie
@JoeyyJetss 21m Thats kerley .. U FuckBoy “@JohnGeiger_ (https://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_): Picture of Darrelle Revis on Jets 2014 schedule. pic.twitter.com/yEubNqNL8T (http://t.co/yEubNqNL8T)”
Post by: Miamipuck on April 24, 2014, 01:42:46 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2014, 01:43:16 PM
My favorite:
Kyle Teichert @KyleTeichert 28m @JohnGeiger_ go freak your self hoo-ha, how about you get a picture of you sucking his dick, bc that's all you freaking do
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2014, 01:44:38 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 24, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
I can't tell who the freak it is anyway.
It's definitely Kerley. Someone (Kim Martin?) posted the schedule screenshot along with the original picture it was taken from.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 24, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
It's definitely Kerley. Someone (Kim Martin?) posted the schedule screenshot along with the original picture it was taken from.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmAWJkQIEAIioSs.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmASw2HCIAAcJB3.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2014, 01:52:51 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/459403777712619521
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
@RapSheet @craiglaurasam @MMehtaNYDN only a bunch of losers would be worrying bout a graphic on side of schedule. Loser derriere Jets beat
Post by: hawk on April 24, 2014, 03:53:31 PM
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 34m
Yikes ... RT @JohnGeiger_: Picture of Darrelle Revis on Jets 2014 schedule. http://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_/status/459387794515693568/photo/1pic.twitter.com/3Is083Fgef
John Geiger @JohnGeiger_ 10m
@AlbertBreer My twitter was "hacked" 😐.. Anyways was a good laugh for a minute. But I was definitely wrong.
If it was hacked, why would he be definitely wrong?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2014, 04:30:48 PM
If it was hacked, why would he be definitely wrong?
I think he was making a joke about how everyone says they were hacked when something like this happens. It's kind of tongue in cheek. Or in his case, dick in mouth.
Post by: Ornstein on April 24, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
I think he was making a joke about how everyone says they were hacked when something like this happens. It's kind of tongue in cheek. Or in his case, dick in mouth.
I'd say tongue in poopchute but close enough.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
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“You know my prediction, I think we’re gonna take another D-lineman,” Rex Ryan joked Saturday at charity softball game in Manhattan run by WFAN’s Boomer & Carton. “That would be funny. I told (John) Idzik, if that happens, they’d run us both out of town.”
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2014, 04:37:15 PM
I don't know if Ellis and Snacks are ideal fits for a 4-3.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
If we drafted a dl in the middle rounds for when we yse 4-3 fronts what would we need most? A 4-3 de?
We just need another 3-4 OLB that can do both.
Coples - Richardson - Wilkerson - (Pace??)
Pace, Douzable, and McIntyre can play that other end spot, but Antwan Barnes isn't big enough. I highly doubt we use a mid-round pick on a player that can't play in multiple fronts. Our DL depth is way too strong to add another player like that.
Harrison/Ellis
Wilkerson/Richardson
Coples/Douzable
McIntyre/Barnes/Pace
The Jets really need to bring in someone that can replace Calvin Pace in 2015.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2014, 04:58:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2014, 05:03:01 PM
I wouldn't mind if they traded up in the 2nd round for KVN.
Demarcus Lawrence or Kyle Van Noy
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2014, 05:18:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2014, 05:27:12 PM
The Jets haven't drafted a Pro Bowl skill position player since 1996
I'm surprised Keller never made it.
Then again with the tes who have been in the AFC, maybe I'm not
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2014, 05:31:11 PM
The Jets haven't drafted a Pro Bowl skill position player since 1996
Does Leon count?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2014, 05:34:11 PM
Does Leon count?
He didn't make it as a skill position player.
I think that statistic is referring to wide receiver, quarterback, and running back.
freaking Kordell Stewart making it over Chad Pennington in 2002 was terrible.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2014, 05:34:45 PM
I'm surprised Keller never made it.
1. Tight End isn't a skill position.
2. Keller was average at best.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
1. Tight End isn't a skill position.
2. Keller was average at best.
Ain't much of a difference between te and wr these days.
And he had one or two good years playing for a high profile team. Probowl isn't about whose the best.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Ain't much of a difference between te and wr these days.
That doesn't make tight end an offensive skill position.
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And he had one or two good years playing for a high profile team.
2011 was his best season: 65 catches for 815 yards and 5 TDs
The team went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Rob Gronkowski had 90 catches for 1,327 yards and 17 TDs. Aaron Hernandez had 79 catches for 910 yards and 7 TDs.
In 13 games, Antonio Gates had one less catch (64), 37 less receiving yards (778) and 2 more TDs (7)
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Probowl isn't about whose the best.
A lot of it is name recognition, but the majority of the voters look at statistics as well. A mediocre TE like Keller cannot compete with Gronkowski, Hernandez, and Gates.
The New England TEs had the statistics and Gates had the reputation.
Dustin Keller was average. If he played for any other team, you probably wouldn't even know who he was.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2014, 06:09:09 PM
Coles and Moss did make Pro Bowls, but with the Redskins. So it's not an entirely fair statement, but it's still damning.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2014, 07:43:59 PM
Keller never deserved to make a Pro Bowl.
Coles and Moss did make Pro Bowls, but with the Redskins. So it's not an entirely fair statement, but it's still damning.
So in other words, we suck on offense, and have for pretty much a decade, who here is surprised by this?
hopefully that changes starting this year.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2014, 09:17:14 PM
He didn't make it as a skill position player.
I think that statistic is referring to wide receiver, quarterback, and running back.
freaking Kordell Stewart making it over Chad Pennington in 2002 was terrible.
Kordell made the pro bowl in 2001 when Vinny was our starter.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2014, 11:28:56 AM
Lets face it, the Jets have had some very poor drafts. Parcells drafts were awful, Bradway had a few bad ones and then Tannenbaum had some stinkers. Hopefully, the new regime understands the importance of the draft and the Jets get lucky with a pick or two panning out much better than expected.
I don't know if I'd say Tannys drafting was that bad
Definitely not one of the worst in the league over that era. Mediocre at worst, probably above average honestly.
Had the Sanchez pick alone panned out better, I think most would say that Tannenbaum had more success via the draft than most teams in the league.
His downfall was likely tied up far more to HORRIBLE contracts than anything else.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
I don't know if I'd say Tannys drafting was that bad
Definitely not one of the worst in the league over that era. Mediocre at worst, probably above average honestly.
Had the Sanchez pick alone panned out better, I think most would say that Tannenbaum had more success via the draft than most teams in the league.
His downfall was likely tied up far more to HORRIBLE contracts than anything else.
He went from 2008-2010 and had Kyle Wilson to show for it. No team in the league can have sustained success with only 1 mediocre drafted player remaining in 3 years. Unless of course the Jets had a franchise QB.
The new salary cap dynamics reward teams that draft well with the slotting of draft pick salaries and cheap 1-5 year players. By not drafting enough or any players the Jets couldn't take care of this huge advantage in team friendly salaries. Tannenbaum's drafting and disregard for draft pick values are what directly led to his having to hand out of dumb contracts.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
He went from 2008-2010 and had Kyle Wilson to show for it. No team in the league can have sustained success with only 1 mediocre drafted player remaining in 3 years. Unless of course the Jets had a franchise QB.
The new salary cap dynamics reward teams that draft well with the slotting of draft pick salaries and cheap 1-5 year players. By not drafting enough or any players the Jets couldn't take care of this huge advantage in team friendly salaries. Tannenbaum's drafting and disregard for draft pick values are what directly led to his having to hand out of dumb contracts.
Well he did trade draft picks for Cromartie, Jenkins, Braylon,Favre and Holmes over that period I believe.
So it's not like those were all busted picks, a lot of them were unfortunately traded for older veteran players. And the Wilson draft was a pretty poor draft overall. It's been discussed on here but many of the guys picked after Wilson ended up being terrible.
And he did land us like Kerley, Wilkerson, Ellis, Coples, Bilal all shortly after that period.
Plus like Revis Harris Mangold Brick Slauson and a few others before.
The guy wasn't a good GM I'm definitely not saying he is.
But I strongly doubt that we were anywhere near the bottom of the league in draft success during his era
Also in 08+09 there still wasn't the rookie cap. Sanchez got his deal under the old format. So the 2010 was the only year he failed to take advantage of the new cap changes
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2014, 01:02:37 PM
Well he did trade draft picks for Cromartie, Jenkins, Braylon,Favre and Holmes over that period I believe.
So it's not like those were all busted picks, a lot of them were unfortunately traded for older veteran players. And the Wilson draft was a pretty poor draft overall. It's been discussed on here but many of the guys picked after Wilson ended up being terrible.
And he did land us like Kerley, Wilkerson, Ellis, Coples, Bilal all shortly after that period.
Plus like Revis Harris Mangold Brick Slauson and a few others before.
The guy wasn't a good GM I'm definitely not saying he is.
But I strongly doubt that we were anywhere near the bottom of the league in draft success during his era
Also in 08+09 there still wasn't the rookie cap. Sanchez got his deal under the old format. So the 2010 was the only year he failed to take advantage of the new cap changes
You're missing the point, the Jets had no up and coming young players for a prolonged period. Look at the two most successful teams of the last 3 years. Seattle, 49'ers both were set up by the 2008-2010 drafts. During this era the Jets drafted 13 players in 3 years, I think that was the lowest in the league. Even if the Jets draft record wasnt the worst it was among the worst.
I am not arguing for the sake of it. There was an entire 3 years where the Jets got basically jack squat, you can not build a team when that's the case. The Jets will get progressively better when the aftershock of 2008-2010 dissipates and the draft classes of 2011-2013 come into effect. The Jets did much better there.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2014, 03:07:33 PM
As to the Jets, McCoy is ready to declare a winner of the team’s quarterback competition between Geno Smith and Mike Vick.
“He’s going to be the Jets’ starting quarterback,” McCoy said of Vick. “He’s way better than Geno Smith. Way better. That’s no contest.”
McCoy also believes Vick would still be the starter in Philly if he hadn’t gotten injured last year. McCoy misses the fact that Vick gets injured pretty much every year. Last year, his replacement, Nick Foles, was good enough to keep Vick on the bench after he healed.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2014, 03:12:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
I want Michael Vick to start.
I want Geno to win the job, then get hurt in the 3rd game of the preseason and lose it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
I want Michael Vick to start.
Care to explain why? I don't mean that dickishly. I'm curious.
For me, I'm conflicted. I want the best QB to play. I want the best QB to be the one who is here for the next few years, therefore Geno. I want the future to begin, but I'm not sure either guy is "that" guy.
Of course, the Jets could always surprise us and draft a QB for the future and just let Vick and Geno fight for the right to play this year, in which case Vick is probably the guy.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2014, 03:32:22 PM
Care to explain why? I don't mean that dickishly. I'm curious.
I have no faith in Geno Smith and never have. If he wants to step up and surprise me, then I'm all for him starting.
I want the best QB to play as well. If Smith outperforms Vick, he should be the starter. I just don't see that happening.
To me, Smith is a developmental backup as of right now.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2014, 03:45:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
I guess best case scenario would be Vick plays at a high level, and Geno learns from him and ends up a legitimate capable starter the following year
If Vick plays at a high level and stays healthy, he will be re-signed and Smith will remain his backup.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
If Vick plays at a high level and stays healthy, he will be re-signed and Smith will remain his backup.
Well he's bound to get hurt eventually
Even if it's in a future season
I'm quote sure that if we were to extend Vick he would get injured before Genos rookie deal ends.
I'd care less about eating money on Vick (I doubt he'd get a big contract as a 35 year old injury prone run first QB) if Geno actually became a capable starter
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
I have no faith in Geno Smith and never have. If he wants to step up and surprise me, then I'm all for him starting.
I want the best QB to play as well. If Smith outperforms Vick, he should be the starter. I just don't see that happening.
To me, Smith is a developmental backup as of right now.
So you don't think Geno has potential to be a future franchise QB? I certainly wouldn't knock you for that opinion. I'm basically riding hope with him (much like Sanchez).
Someday this organization is going to draft a guy who can lead us back to the Super Bowl.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2014, 04:15:51 PM
So you don't think Geno has potential to be a future franchise QB?
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2014, 04:16:18 PM
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
Gotcha.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2014, 05:34:08 PM
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
Can he be the best starting QB the Jets have had in the last 10 years?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2014, 05:43:18 PM
Can he be the best starting QB the Jets have had in the last 10 years?
If Chad Pennington didn't exist, then ...no, no he couldn't. Smith needs to GTFO.
Post by: Laxin on April 28, 2014, 05:47:04 PM
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
What's wrong with that, though? If he can be a top 12-10 QB in a couple years, Id be happy with that. Its better than we've have in a while and Id prefer to have a stable player at the QB position, rather than having a massive question mark like we have had for much of the last decade.
Maybe my standards have been lowered due to the atrocious QB play, but if Geno can be a quality starter with Rex as the head coach and some weapons on offense, Id think we would be in a pretty good situation. Sure, Id love a star at the QB position, but there's only a handful of them, and I highly doubt that we will be in a position to grab a potential star in the next couple of years barring a sizable trade-up..
Post by: Laxin on April 28, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
No contest.
Post by: Pope on April 28, 2014, 07:28:17 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2014, 07:39:23 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2014, 10:10:32 PM
Keep building the offense and let the best QB play. If it's Smith, I'm fine with it. I just have serious doubts that started before he was a New York Jet.
Agreed on all counts here. Which is why I'd love to see Vick starting, because I'd think he's the best guy, 34 years old or otherwise.
Post by: Coach K on April 29, 2014, 07:26:03 AM
Considering the time he's spent in the system, Vick BETTER show up to camp and spank him. That's what we should expect.
I would like to know what we have in Geno before next years draft kinda torn on Vick since he won't be playing in two years from now.
Although I think a good draft makes us a wild card contender regardless who's starting
Post by: Hemi on April 29, 2014, 10:02:56 AM
Post by: Koz on April 29, 2014, 11:27:55 AM
I am just tired of excrement QB play.
Well then, don't set the bar too high for this year and you won't be disappointed.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Well then, don't set the bar too high for this year and you won't be disappointed.I'm hoping we upgrade our QB play to "smelly fart" this year.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 29, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
I'm hoping we upgrade our QB play to "smelly fart" this year.
Well that does smell better than moldering corpse.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2014, 12:35:13 PM
I've already made it clear I like Genos potential. If I had money on it I'd bet on Vick. But I wouldn't be shocked if Gen ended up starting by the end of the year.Agree with this. I expect Vick to win the job because I think he can still be a productive quarterback, one better than Geno Smith. However, Geno will get his chance. Vick will get hurt. Vick ALWAYS gets hurt. And then if Geno takes advantage of that opportunity, maybe he can claim the job. I don't care if we have a QB controversy because both guys are playing well. We haven't had one quarterback play well in a while.
Considering the time he's spent in the system, Vick BETTER show up to camp and spank him. That's what we should expect.
I would like to know what we have in Geno before next years draft kinda torn on Vick since he won't be playing in two years from now.
Although I think a good draft makes us a wild card contender regardless who's starting
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 29, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
Post by: Koz on April 29, 2014, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: Laxin on April 29, 2014, 04:05:33 PM
I'm 100% in the camp of "best guy plays." The only reason I'd hope it is Geno is because I want the future franchise guy already. Who knows though? Maybe we draft someone this year and that is the future. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed.
This is how I feel.
Also not sure how great we can expect Vick to play. He hasnt been anything special since his 2010 season. I think we can win games with him as QB, but I dont think its going to be as easy for him to run away with the starting position as many feel. Since 2011, he's played in 29 games, has 35 TDs, 27 INTS, 6880 yard and a record of 12-17. Averages out to a 19 TDs, 15 INTS, 3795 yards extrapolated to a years worth of stats.
We all know Vick wont play 16 games, and I dont see why Geno Smith cant produce something like 18 TDs, 15 INTs and 3500 yards... and thats being fairly generous in assuming he wont progress a significant amount.
Edit: Just looking at last year when Geno had Kerley on the field (the only NFL caliber WR), this was his stat line-
10 Games, 12 TDs, 12 INTs, 4 Rush TDs, 227 YPG, 60.3%
Extrapolated over 16 games would be- 19 TDs, 19 INTS, 3632 yards. Now obviously this isnt a perfect comparison or analysis because the level of competition, weather, home to away ratio, ect may be different in those 10 games compared to the other 6, but with pretty much only Jeremy Kerley in a receiving corp Geno put up comparable numbers to Vick who had McCoy, DeSean, Cooper, Maclin, Celek ect. With Decker, Kerley, CJ?K and a WR/TE early in the draft, I dont see why Geno cant play at a similar (or potentially better) level than Vick.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
We all know Vick wont play 16 games
No one will know that until he actually misses a game.
Post by: Laxin on April 29, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
No one will know that until he actually misses a game.
He's missed a game in every one of his seasons except for one, and he's 33 years old... Obviously its not definite, but Id say its 97% likely.
Post by: Ornstein on April 29, 2014, 04:19:37 PM
He's missed a game in every one of his seasons except for one, and he's 33 years old... Obviously its not definite, but Id say its 97% likely.
Which is why someone absolutly needs to be ready to go in at the drop of the hat when he goes down. Unless Vick gets hurt before the start of the season I don't see any way he isn't the starter going into week 1.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 29, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
Post by: Laxin on April 29, 2014, 04:24:53 PM
Unless Vick gets hurt before the start of the season I don't see any way he isn't the starter going into week 1.
I addressed that in my post above. Many may disagree, but I dont think its as lopsided of a competition as it seems. We'll see though come August and September.
Post by: Ornstein on April 29, 2014, 04:27:38 PM
I addressed that in my post above. Many may disagree, but I dont think its as lopsided of a competition as it seems. We'll see though come August and September.
I'd love it if Geno won a fair competition but considering how bad he was at times last season and how much more experience Vick has in this system along with his 10 more years of actual nfl experience then Geno it'd be a huge surprise for Geno to win it.
Post by: Laxin on April 29, 2014, 04:37:26 PM
I'd love it if Geno won a fair competition but considering how bad he was at times last season and how much more experience Vick has in this system along with his 10 more years of actual nfl experience then Geno it'd be a huge surprise for Geno to win it.
Geno was absolutely terrible at times, and a huge amount of it falls on him. But I dont think its a coincidence many of those terrible games occurred when his #1 target (and really only reliable target on offense) was out hurt.
Post by: Pope on April 29, 2014, 06:35:22 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2014, 06:47:08 PM
I forgot the numbers but Geno's stats with and without Kerley last year were pretty shocking. I think 50 or 60 QBR apart
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As mentioned in previous arguements, the games kerley missed were REALLY freaking tough games vs good defenses
http://www.nfl.com/player/jeremykerley/2495189/gamelogs
@ NE
@ Buf
@ Bal
vs Miami
(going off the gamelogs and a fuzzy memory I cant remember what other games kerley mostly missed)
But those games are all vs VERY good defenses, and 3/4 were on the road.
Kerley was definitely our best weapon in the passing game last year without a doubt, but I think the numbers are unfairly skewed because of the schedule
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 29, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
Well, the secondaries of Buffalo and Miami weren't that good to be honest...
Bills had the 5th lowest Yards per Completion allowed, miami 12th lowest
Bills had the 3rd lowest QB rating allowed in the league (after only Seattle and Cinci) Miami had the 5th lowest QB rating allowed (with seattle, buffalo, cinci, and 49ers)
Post by: Libero_2 on April 29, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
Bills had the 5th lowest Yards per Completion allowed, miami 12th lowest
Bills had the 3rd lowest QB rating allowed in the league (after only Seattle and Cinci) Miami had the 5th lowest QB rating allowed (with seattle, buffalo, cinci, and 49ers)
Well I'm fairly certain Genos 5+ INTs against the Bills certainly helped to reduce the Bills opponents QBR...
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2014, 08:11:19 AM
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New York Jets nose tackle Damon "Big Snacks" Harrison had the most tackles among the linemen with zero broken tackles (50),
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/2013-broken-tackles-defense
I'm certainly not going to say I'm never wrong about a player, but I was really far off with Snacks. Going into last season I thought he was a whiny baby who wouldn't even make the team.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2014, 11:14:14 AM
I'm certainly not going to say I'm never wrong about a player, but I was really far off with Snacks. Going into last season I thought he was a whiny baby who wouldn't even make the team.
What led you to that conclusion, I am legit asking?
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2014, 11:19:53 AM
What led you to that conclusion, I am legit asking?
The way he posts on Twitter. It's a constant stream of "No one believes in me" tweets and it just gave me a feeling of "Show, don't talk." It turns out all of his "I'll show them all" tweets were the truth.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2014, 11:44:26 AM
The way he posts on Twitter. It's a constant stream of "No one believes in me" tweets and it just gave me a feeling of "Show, don't talk." It turns out all of his "I'll show them all" tweets were the truth.
Oh I had no idea about that. lol
Post by: IATA on May 01, 2014, 02:46:50 PM
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Post by: Badger on May 01, 2014, 02:54:32 PM
Post by: Coach K on May 02, 2014, 06:43:30 AM
I addressed that in my post above. Many may disagree, but I dont think its as lopsided of a competition as it seems. We'll see though come August and September.
I've said it a few times, I don't think Vick is as much of a lock as people think . He looked pretty bad the last couple years. I'll take more than a LeSean McCoy rim job to convince me otherwise.
If the competition is remotely close you have to go with Geno to let him develop so we know if we need to draft a QB next year.
But if any of that is going to happen he needs to pick up where he left off from the MIA game. Otherwise Vick will win it handily
Post by: klaximilian on May 02, 2014, 09:55:59 AM
I've said it a few times, I don't think Vick is as much of a lock as people think . He looked pretty bad the last couple years. I'll take more than a LeSean McCoy rim job to convince me otherwise.
If the competition is remotely close you have to go with Geno to let him develop so we know if we need to draft a QB next year.
But if any of that is going to happen he needs to pick up where he left off from the MIA game. Otherwise Vick will win it handily
Vick has never been one to manage a game and limit turnovers. He is what he is....either a huge fantasy producer and/or a turnover machine. The Jets are going to put up points this year if Vick is our QB, but the defense may have to bail him out of some short fields as well.
I'm confident whoever ends up at QB, we'll get at the very least mediocre play given the talent already added and the anticipated talent likely to come from the draft. There really shouldn't be any reason that the offense doesn't take a significant step forward in 2014.
Post by: ons on May 02, 2014, 10:12:23 AM
There really shouldn't be any reason that the offense doesn't take a significant step forward in 2014.
Not that I expect this to happen - but just for the SOJF perspective: defenses keying in on Geno with a year of tape under him, Brick and Mangold taking a step down instead of a step up, injury to Colon/Winters not improving and Vick missing significant time with injury, any WR injury combined with rookie WR learning curve, Chris Johnson being ineffective but getting lots of snaps = huge step down.
It's not likely that all of those things happen, of course, but all we need is a couple of things to go wrong, especially on the o-line, and we might not see the improvement we expect.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2014, 10:29:13 AM
Mediocre QB play = a huge step forward?
Relatively, yeah. A QB with a 1:1 TD:INT ratio probably could have brought us to the playoffs last year.
Post by: klaximilian on May 02, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
Mediocre QB play = a huge step forward?
I'm sorry. What games were you watching last year that suggested that Geno was anywhere in the realm of mediocre throughout the duration of the season?
Post by: Tommy on May 02, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2014, 10:40:11 AM
I'm sorry. What games were you watching last year that suggested that Geno was anywhere in the realm of mediocre throughout the duration of the season?
Oh, I watched the entire season. I distinctly remember boasting about how terrible Smith was and you getting upset about it.
BUT HE BEAT TAMPA BAY!
Mark Sanchez was mediocre in 2011. That didn't matter much.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 10:45:17 AM
With one of the worst receiving corps we've had too
Unfortunately for every good play he made two to 3 horrible horrible ones.
If he can learn how to legitimately use his legs and not be as horrible on his deep ball. I could certainly see him graduate to mediocre
I'm still crossing my fingers that he can be a poor man's Steve McNair
Post by: Tommy on May 02, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
The only thing I'll give Geno credit for is he actually made some plays
With one of the worst receiving corps we've had too
Unfortunately for every good play he made two to 3 horrible horrible ones.
If he can learn how to legitimately use his legs and not be as horrible on his deep ball. I could certainly see him graduate to mediocre
I'm still crossing my fingers that he can be a poor man's Steve McNair
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
How about... uh... Jake Plummer? Best case scenario, Smith can be Jake Plummer.
Post by: klaximilian on May 02, 2014, 10:51:26 AM
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
Because they are black, stupid.
Post by: Tommy on May 02, 2014, 10:52:19 AM
How about... uh... Jake Plummer? Best case scenario, Smith can be Jake Plummer.
Haha. They do the same with boxers and other athletes. Hell even comedians and entertainers.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 10:52:57 AM
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
He's got legs, which means I'm hoping he can be a good running QB.
But he's not a great thrower. So I'm not going to compare him to like Aaron Rodgers or anything.
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Wilson, Kaep, Vick, Pryor.
Most of the better scrambling QB's are black.
A better example of people associating a black QB unfairly is like people assuming Freeman was a good runner and comparing him to all the typical
Post by: Tommy on May 02, 2014, 10:55:13 AM
Because they are black, stupid.
Hahahahha
Post by: Tommy on May 02, 2014, 10:56:05 AM
He's got legs, which means I'm hoping he can be a good running QB.
But he's not a great thrower. So I'm not going to compare him to like Aaron Rodgers or anything.
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
He's black.
Wait what
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
He's black, duh. Of course he is fast. It's their longer achilles tendons. It's science.
Post by: klaximilian on May 02, 2014, 11:00:03 AM
He's black, duh. Of course he is fast. It's their longer achilles tendons. It's science.
I thought it was arithmetic?
Black QB + Longer achilles tendon = Fast
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2014, 11:05:27 AM
How about... uh... Jake Plummer? Best case scenario, Smith can be Jake Plummer.
nah, Jake Plummer was lazier than Geno
/reverse discrimination
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2014, 11:07:47 AM
He's got legs, which means I'm hoping he can be a good running QB.
But he's not a great thrower. So I'm not going to compare him to like Aaron Rodgers or anything.
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Wilson, Kaep, Vick, Pryor.
Most of the better scrambling QB's are black.
A better example of people associating a black QB unfairly is like people assuming Freeman was a good runner and comparing him to all the typical
Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlisberger, Tony Romo, and Andrew Luck are all good scramblers. Not in the sense that you're thinking of though
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 11:25:57 AM
Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlisberger, Tony Romo, and Andrew Luck are all good scramblers. Not in the sense that you're thinking of though
I agree
But it would be unrealistic to hope Geno could be in the same ballpark as any of them.
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2014, 11:31:36 AM
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Steve Young. Geno is going to be the next Steve Young.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 11:33:02 AM
Steve Young. Geno is going to be the next Steve Young.
Geno hasn't even been concussed once yet brah
Post by: Miamipuck on May 02, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
Post by: Koz on May 02, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
He happens to be black.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Klecko says Coples and Wilkerson don't try hard enough and don't have a good enough motor (and Cimini like a dick brings up Coples work ethic concerns from the draft)
But he also praises Richardson and says Wilkerson and Coples should be more like him
Post by: MBGreen on May 02, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
"After trying on the #8 I decided that it's not the right fit for me. I'll be going with the #1 officially. Thank You #JetsNation" - vick
That was so gay that I swore it was fake
But it's not...
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 02, 2014, 06:19:31 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 02, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
That was so gay that I swore it was fake
But it's not...
For the love of freak...
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2014, 07:44:07 PM
Am I the only one the gives zero fucks about a guy changing his number in May?
I dont think anyone (who hasnt purchased a Vick jersey) gives a excrement about a guy that wont be on the team in under a year changing is number.
That said it still looks pretty freaking retarded for a player to do. I cant think of a time when a player decided to change his number before he ever even wore it. Id bet it was fueled by agents or his PR guys thinking itll sell more jerseys or something
Post by: klaximilian on May 02, 2014, 07:49:01 PM
What a doofus.
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2014, 08:34:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2014, 08:53:39 PM
A friend of mine is a huge Mike Vick fan. He bought the #8 jersey a few hours ago and posted it on my Facebook like he was proud of it.
What a doofus.
I would imagine the team will exchange it for him, assuming he didn't buy a Chinese knock off.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Wat?
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6. The truth hurts: Former Jets great Joe Klecko was on the money with his assessment of OLB Quinton Coples, whom he said "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane." Coples has tested the patience of the coaches from the day he arrived, giving inconsistent effort. The talent is obvious, which explains the frustration level in the organization. He finished last season on an upswing (3.5 sacks in the last five games), so maybe he turned a corner. As for Klecko's comments about Muhammad Wilkerson, suggesting he doesn't give maximum effort on every play, I haven't heard anyone around the team question his motor.
Post by: Pope on May 04, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
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Post by: JFIF on May 04, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
Someone has CTE
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 04, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
Hopefully him being healthy from day 1 and now understanding the OLB position will allow Coples to take a major step forwards this season.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2014, 07:39:48 PM
I mean eventually with enough smoke you have to wonder if there is a fire somewhere with Coples work ethic.
Hopefully him being healthy from day 1 and now understanding the OLB position will allow Coples to take a major step forwards this season.
I'm not concerned with smoke as much as I am with what he actually does on the field. If he doesn't continue to improve, then I'll be annoyed.
Post by: Tommy on May 04, 2014, 08:21:41 PM
Klecko doesn't come off as very bright. Good player but a dumbass imo
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Yeah, I'm never very impressed by his analysis on the Jets post game show. He just seems real punchy.
Post by: Semicolon on May 04, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1760669/henne.gif
Post by: klaximilian on May 04, 2014, 09:16:09 PM
Another NY Jet great comes to mind. What's that drunken bastard's name?
Post by: reuben on May 04, 2014, 09:39:04 PM
"I think there's a few too many plays he gives up on a little bit," Klecko said. "You know, he's big enough to hunt bear with a switch, there's no doubt. He's an unbelievable talent, but he has to put it out there every single play. Now, sure, everybody is going to say, 'Yeah, he does.' No, he doesn't, I'm telling you right now. He needs to put it out there every single play. Now, (Sheldon) Richardson does that."
Perfectly accurate criticism.
I'm not sure why Klecko didn't acknowledge Coples' ankle fracture in the preseason; when he was healthy, he was pretty damn good.
No he wasn't. He was terrible until he got healthy, and then he was just average.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
No he wasn't. He was terrible until he got healthy, and then he was just average.
As a pass rusher, sure. But as an anchor and a run stopper, he's always been well above average with streaky dominance.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 05, 2014, 05:18:51 AM
This said, I liked what Klecko said, he said a lot of good things mixed up with the bad, but, as usual, the press spun it by only highlighting the criticisms.
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on May 05, 2014, 10:18:18 AM
NFL Rumors: Are the New York Jets Looking to Trade for Morris Claiborne? - Rant Sports http://ift.tt/1nYNr5H #NFL #NewYorkJets
Anyone else hear this from another source?
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2014, 10:21:04 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 05, 2014, 10:50:16 AM
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Trade for Claiborne, draft ODB and Landry. Enter LSU Jets.
Jetigers.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2014, 12:09:43 PM
New York Jets Plus@JetsPlus·8 mins
NFL Rumors: Are the New York Jets Looking to Trade for Morris Claiborne? - Rant Sports http://ift.tt/1nYNr5H #NFL #NewYorkJets
Anyone else hear this from another source?
It's not really a rumor. This is just a guy saying: "Hey, you should probably trade for Morris Claiborne, Rex"
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on May 05, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
It's not really a rumor. This is just a guy saying: "Hey, you should probably trade for Morris Claiborne, Rex"
Yeah, I misphrased my question, but that's a much more accurate interpretation. So this is just speculation with no support, cool.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 05, 2014, 01:18:17 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 05, 2014, 01:21:11 PM
Can a team trade for a rookie and still exercise the 5th year option?
Yes. The 49ers had to make that choice on Gabbert (and obviously declined).
Post by: bojanglesman on May 05, 2014, 01:21:37 PM
Can a team trade for a rookie and still exercise the 5th year option?Gabbert still had 5th yr option available after going to SF.
Post by: Coach K on May 06, 2014, 07:32:53 AM
LSU floods the NFL with prospects in the first 3 rounds annually with few ever meeting expectations.
Eric Reid and this year's crops are exceptions in recent memory. I wasn't too hyped on Claiborne coming out. So hopefully if we did move for him it'd be a low price.
Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 09:18:29 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/38473/memo-to-jets-beware-the-18th-pick
Post by: Koz on May 06, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
F..ck that.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 09:48:28 AM
Post by: Coach K on May 06, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
freak you Cimini
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/38473/memo-to-jets-beware-the-18th-pick
I'll settle for Art Monk
Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 11:26:36 AM
It's one thing to say something about the probability of misses after a particular round, but this is just classic cimini horseshit.
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on May 06, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
Interesting to hear #Jets keeping in regular contact with QBs slated to go in the first round. Maybe in case one falls. Maybe serious at 18
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 06, 2014, 01:02:13 PM
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet·5 mins
Interesting to hear #Jets keeping in regular contact with QBs slated to go in the first round. Maybe in case one falls. Maybe serious at 18
Rapoport reported yesterday that the Jets were rumored to be considering moving up. He said it was for a WR, but what if it's actually for a QB? Which of the bunch would people be willing to move up for? I'm sure there would be a lot of happy people if they jumped to Manziel, but that would probably be a Ricky Williams move wouldn't it? I don't think I'd want to mortgage the entire draft just for a QB, but I certainly wouldn't cry if we made a move to get one of the top guys.
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2014, 01:06:48 PM
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet·5 mins
Interesting to hear #Jets keeping in regular contact with QBs slated to go in the first round. Maybe in case one falls. Maybe serious at 18
I would have thought that every team is keeping regular touch with all the first round possibles, because who knows what's going to play out on draft day?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
I would have thought that every team is keeping regular touch with all the first round possibles, because who knows what's going to play out on draft day?
Pretty much. I don't think a QB is really under consideration for Rd 1 unless things break very poorly for us.
Post by: Pope on May 06, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
I wouldn't be shocked to see the Jets go QB at Round 1 but I highly doubt it happens with Vick and Geno already on the roster. Maybe if they package Geno and a 3rd or 4th to move into the top 10 but I can't see that happening.
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Vick isn't really relevant in the discussion.
I'd be livid if we made any draft decisions around an old injury prone running QB who is under contract for this year only.
Geno is a second round pick.
I'm not a QB guy but it's the most important position in sports.
And no person would EVER complain about drafting a QB with any pick under any circumstances IF the pick pans out.
Pats drafted Mallet early and still had a young Tom Brady. If he didn't suck I'm sure they'd love the pick
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2014, 02:24:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2014, 02:56:38 PM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Krystal-C-Flight-Crew-New-York-Jets-Cheerleader-Sues-Team-Inspired-by-Oakland-Raiderettes-258131801.html
$150 per game does seem a bit cheap. They could earn that from Tommy in the space of three songs.
Post by: klaximilian on May 06, 2014, 02:58:52 PM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Krystal-C-Flight-Crew-New-York-Jets-Cheerleader-Sues-Team-Inspired-by-Oakland-Raiderettes-258131801.html
I found this part pretty humorous.
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And, in April, five Buffalo Jill cheerleaders sued the Buffalo Bills saying they weren't paid for their time at games or mandatory public appearances that left them open to groping and sexual comments, including being subjected to a weekly “Jiggle Test,” where their butts, stomachs, arms and hips were scrutinized while they did jumping jacks. The next day, the production company that manages the Jills announced the cheerleaders will not perform this season. The Bills have declined to comment.
Post by: Pope on May 06, 2014, 02:59:50 PM
Vick isn't really relevant in the discussion.Mallett was a third round pick, not a top 20 pick. I get your point but.. apples and oranges.
I'd be livid if we made any draft decisions around an old injury prone running QB who is under contract for this year only.
Geno is a second round pick.
I'm not a QB guy but it's the most important position in sports.
And no person would EVER complain about drafting a QB with any pick under any circumstances IF the pick pans out.
Pats drafted Mallet early and still had a young Tom Brady. If he didn't suck I'm sure they'd love the pick
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Post by: Pope on May 06, 2014, 03:02:52 PM
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Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 06, 2014, 03:11:33 PM
$150 per game does seem a bit cheap. They could earn that from Tommy in the space of three songs.
Hahahahaha....... paying the cheerleaders a pittance has been SOP forever.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2014, 03:12:09 PM
Mallett was a third round pick, not a top 20 pick. I get your point but.. apples and oranges.
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Well he was a 3rd round pick for a team with Tom Brady in his prime.
We have a cripple under contract for one year, and Geno Smith
Post by: SI_Jetsfan on May 06, 2014, 03:55:01 PM
Louisville safety Calvin Pryor told me that he met with the Jets and the interview was extensive: "They really seemed interested."
Post by: Libero_2 on May 06, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
Also, I don't want to pull a Cleveland and roll the dice on a new QB every season, especially if it involves sacrificing draft picks in a trade scenario. Last year's offensive talent was abysmal. Geno deserves a shot with competent talent.
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I agree with the idea that Geno deserves a shot, but there's a reason we didn't take him in round one a year ago. If they think one of these guys, Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr or whomever is a franchise QB and they can get him on the cheap (as in not butt-freaking themselves for the future) it's a move that needs to be done. Especially if they think they can get a pick back for Geno.
Idk what will happen, but if we go QB it's because we believe that guy can be special, not just because we need a QB.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 06, 2014, 05:01:26 PM
Bart Hubbuch@HubbuchNYP·9 mins
Louisville safety Calvin Pryor told me that he met with the Jets and the interview was extensive: "They really seemed interested."
We need a freaking ballhawk, not a tank back there. We need somebody to force interceptions, because our DBs last year have freaking sucked at that. Pryor does not really solve that problem. Hopefully he is a trade down target rather than a guy we want at 18
Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 06:03:05 PM
@RapSheet 16m
Mentioned earlier the #Jets are looking to trade up. Their target is the Top 10, and I’m told they are very hot on #LSU WR Odell Beckham.
I'm surprised we'd want to give up that for ODB instead of just hoping he falls. I really like him but trading up for him?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2014, 06:08:53 PM
This sounds a little more definitive
@RapSheet 16m
Mentioned earlier the #Jets are looking to trade up. Their target is the Top 10, and I’m told they are very hot on #LSU WR Odell Beckham.
I'm surprised we'd want to give up that for ODB instead of just hoping he falls. I really like him but trading up for him?
It's starting to sound like Buffalo is his floor.
Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
I'm not crazy about either idea but just saying, if they're willing to go that far it's not exactly a huge bump to take Evans.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 06, 2014, 06:15:35 PM
If we're going to trade up that far, I don't get why they don't go after Evans.
I'm not crazy about either idea but just saying, if they're willing to go that far it's not exactly a huge bump to take Evans.
I agree. If the goal is to trade up to 8 with the Vikings (ahead of the Bills) why not just try to go to 6/7 to get Evans? IMO it would take 2-3 picks to go to 8, including 49. I don't think ODB is worth 3 guys. I just don't
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2014, 06:19:45 PM
I agree. If the goal is to trade up to 8 with the Vikings (ahead of the Bills) why not just try to go to 6/7 to get Evans? IMO it would take 2-3 picks to go to 8, including 49. I don't think ODB is worth 3 guys. I just don't
You have to realize that we'll likely be facing competition to move into the top-10 from teams like the Eagles and 49ers. A move up to number 8 would take (at the bare minimum) our 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 06, 2014, 06:21:58 PM
You have to recognize that we'll likely be facing competition to move into the top-10 against teams like the Eagles and 49ers. A move up to number 8 would likely take (at the bare minimum) our 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
Yes I get that. which is why i'm shocked we are considering doing it. We need talent on this roster, and giving up 49 (and essentially our only shot at a TE this year) I just find it hard to believe ODB is going to be that much better than Cooks.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2014, 06:24:49 PM
Yes I get that. which is why i'm shocked we are considering doing it. We need talent on this roster, and giving up 49 (and essentially our only shot at a TE this year) I just find it hard to believe ODB is going to be that much better than Cooks.
It's no secret that I've been infatuated with ODB for some time now, but I completely agree with you. I'd rather we take our chances and wait, either for ODB to fall or to take Cooks at 18. Hell, if he falls to 14 we could make a trade with Chicago.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 06, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
It's no secret that I've been infatuated with ODB for some time now, but I completely agree with you. I'd rather we take our chances and wait, either for ODB to fall or to take Cooks at 18. Hell, if he falls to 14 we could make a trade with Chicago.
Yup. I just think going up that high is giving up too much. I want to keep 49 in the worst way. I'd rather take Cooks at 18 and then trade up from 49 with a 4th to go get a TE (while keeping our 3rd).
Or possibly moving up to 14 as you suggest for our 3rd, then we can move back into the 3rd with our 2 tradeable 4ths if we need to in order to go get a guy necessary.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 06:42:57 PM
I thought Idzik has tight lips? Why's everything out there
Because people are trying to get eyes on their rumors. I don't buy it.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2014, 06:44:49 PM
I mean Milliner was a pretty obvious pick because of the situation and our coach
So going off last year it seems like those who know, don't really know
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
It's starting to sound like Buffalo is his floor.
Buffalo COULD be the floor if any of this is true. That's a pretty big if. Any move the Jets are considered involves making huge presumptions about other teams' draft boards. We've all seen the draft board rumors fall apart in the past when they're exposed to be the product of overeager beat writers. I don't buy any of this about moving into the Top 10 for a WR.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
Oh wait, we're talking about Buffalo's board. Well, last year Peter King said the Bills were targeting Matt Barkley. Albert Breer said it would absolutely be Nassib unless they decided they liked Barkley more and wanted to wait. Buffalo's beat reporters swore the pick would be Geno Smith. Then it was reported Tavon Austin was the top player on Buffalo's board (they traded out of the pick so St. Louis could take Austin). The day of the draft, Ian Rappaport said the Bills would take Nassib in the first rather than risk losing him. Chris Mortensen said the same thing. The ONLY one who said Buffalo would consider him? EJ Manuel, who said he felt good about the Bills. We don't know what's going on in Buffalo, or just about any other front office right now.
Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 06:54:48 PM
I thought Idzik has tight lips? Why's everything out there
I take it with a grain of salt but the logical reason is that it involves other teams. more than 1 has probably been contacted if that's true, and Idzik has no control over leaks in other organizations.
You can control internal stuff like free agency meetings and signings but trades and other things, it doesn't matter how tight lipped your organization is.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 06:55:48 PM
I take it with a grain of salt but the logical reason is that it involves other teams. more than 1 has probably been contacted if that's true, and Idzik has no control over leaks in other organizations.
Especially leaks that aren't true. There's no reason to think that a leak coming from another organization is anything other than posturing. The Jets are trying to trade up? Better get on the phone and see if we can swing a deal!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2014, 06:57:14 PM
Post by: JFIF on May 06, 2014, 06:57:35 PM
Especially leaks that aren't true. There's no reason to think that a leak coming from another organization is anything other than posturing. The Jets are trying to trade up? Better get on the phone and see if we can swing a deal!
yeah, that is very likely.
but it's not impossible to think that maybe a lower level employee caught wind and has connections with Ian rappaport.
Glazer broke the Manziel not getting drafted by the Browns story. The jacked jew has a pretty good track record, so that's one of the few cases i'm inclined to believe that
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2014, 07:04:59 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 06, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
yeah, that is very likely.
but it's not impossible to think that maybe a lower level employee caught wind and has connections with Ian rappaport.
Glazer broke the Manziel not getting drafted by the Browns story. The jacked jew has a pretty good track record, so that's one of the few cases i'm inclined to believe that
Poor phrasing on my part. I meant that there's no reason to believe it. I didn't mean that it's impossible.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2014, 01:54:16 AM
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 07:15:46 AM
The only thing I'm sure about this time of year is not to put any credence into draft rumors.
Although I and many others knew ODB is top 10 good, but the last week has seen a lot of reports that teams have ODB and Evans as 2a 2b and I can't argue that.
It is very likely that 4 WRS are gone by 18. Lee is overshadowed and underrated in this draft, but I'm not too keen on him at 18.
Hell I'd prolly want a CB over him
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2014, 07:22:02 AM
If we do indeed trade up, I hope it's just a few spots, not 8-10.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 07, 2014, 07:31:53 AM
Just sit back and see who falls. All these rumors are likely the Jets preparing for trade ups/downs in case someone unexpectedly falls. You can't just do this excrement on the fly. Something has to be discussed ahead of time, and people take that as "the Jets are planning to trade up".
If we do indeed trade up, I hope it's just a few spots, not 8-10.
But Rich Cimini said that there hasn't been a Pro Bowler since Art Monk, we can't sit at 18, we're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2014, 07:31:58 AM
I'm not worried
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2014, 07:33:52 AM
But Rich Cimini said that there hasn't been a Pro Bowler since Art Monk, we can't sit at 18, we're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Well you'd think that teams who are picking at 18 are going to be perpetually mediocre.
The early picks are gonna be the super studs, and the late first picks are generally going to be on the better teams (having the better contributing staff)
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 09:06:38 AM
Well you'd think that teams who are picking at 18 are going to be perpetually mediocre.
The early picks are gonna be the super studs, and the late first picks are generally going to be on the better teams (having the better contributing staff)
As long as we get ODB or Cooks, Dennard or Fuller, or Martin. I won't be butthurt unless we pass on one of the WRS if they're there,
Marshall Faulk took Xavier for us in the NFL mock.
The only thing I feel is a must is a TE in Rd 2 . I watch TEs closely and I lIke this class.
SFJ, Amaro, Niklas are all people I'd be happy with in Rd 2
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 07, 2014, 10:14:21 AM
I hope people realize if ODB is gone before 10 Cooks at 18 becomes dicey. Someone like the Eagles or Packers could leapfrog us.
The only thing I'm sure about this time of year is not to put any credence into draft rumors.
Although I and many others knew ODB is top 10 good, but the last week has seen a lot of reports that teams have ODB and Evans as 2a 2b and I can't argue that.
It is very likely that 4 WRS are gone by 18. Lee is overshadowed and underrated in this draft, but I'm not too keen on him at 18.
Hell I'd prolly want a CB over him
I'm just curious, when did you decide that? During the mock you were saying there was a huge drop off after Watkins/Evans and you didn't think any of the other receivers were worth the #13 pick for the Rams. What changed your mind, because it seems like you're saying you've known it all along?
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
I'm just curious, when did you decide that? During the mock you were saying there was a huge drop off after Watkins/Evans and you didn't think any of the other receivers were worth the #13 pick for the Rams. What changed your mind, because it seems like you're saying you've known it all along?
I took watkins for the Rams because I think he's the best player in this draft.
Initially I thought ODB and Cooks value was around PIT and us at 18.
It was a couple weeks ago. While I disappeared . Seriously though. Didn't have my laptop and my phone took a excrement on
Me.
When I was able to, I took a couple hours to watch more film on the WRs.
I by no means am trying to say I felt that way all along somewhere in the draft forum a week or two ago I said I changed my tune on ODB completely. My favorite thing about him is his agility and body control. So much adjusting to mediocre throws from Mettenberger.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2014, 11:27:12 AM
Vick
Ivory/CJ2K
Watkins, Decker, Kerley
Obviously Cumberland isn't a great option, but that's a pretty loaded offense anyway. As long as the D plays up to what they played last year (and there's no reason to believe they can't do that much) and clearly we'd also need a rebound by Brick and Nick, and Winters improving would help too, but that's a team that can win now.
Also, in regard to the TE position, the Jets have a ton of cash. They could still bring back Dustin Keller or make a trade for a guy someone doesn't want to pay.
Post by: JFIF on May 07, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
The only guy (well, except for Clowney) I'd want to trade up for is Watkins, in which case, sell out if you have to. We'd still have the compensatory picks at minimum, but our offense would be legit. In this case, you could be almost certain Vick would be the QB and we'd be going for it all this year.
Vick
Ivory/CJ2K
Watkins, Decker, Kerley
Obviously Cumberland isn't a great option, but that's a pretty loaded offense anyway. As long as the D plays up to what they played last year (and there's no reason to believe they can't do that much) and clearly we'd also need a rebound by Brick and Nick, and Winters improving would help too, but that's a team that can win now.
Also, in regard to the TE position, the Jets have a ton of cash. They could still bring back Dustin Keller or make a trade for a guy someone doesn't want to pay.
Watkins would cost us a 1st next year too.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2014, 11:33:10 AM
Watkins would cost us a 1st next year too.
Yeah, screw that. Only way I could see it is if he miraculously falls to 7 or 8.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2014, 11:34:17 AM
Watkins would cost us a 1st next year too.
If he cost us two ones I don't think we'd need to give up all of our picks this year. I'd make that trade. If it did somehow cost us every non-compensatory this year and next year's 1st, then that team can kindly go F themselves.
Post by: klaximilian on May 07, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
Yeah, screw that. Only way I could see it is if he miraculously falls to 7 or 8.
If Watkins falls to #6 where the Falcons would pick, I'd trade this year's 1st + 2nd + next year's 1st for Sammy Watkins. He'd help turn this offense around in a hurry.
I'd hope that if they pulled this sort of trade, they had a backup plan to address the secondary in the later rounds of the draft, via trade, or via the FA pool.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 07, 2014, 11:42:55 AM
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 11:44:24 AM
If Watkins falls to #6 where the Falcons would pick, I'd trade this year's 1st + 2nd + next year's 1st for Sammy Watkins. He'd help turn this offense around in a hurry.
I'd hope that if they pulled this sort of trade, they had a backup plan to address the secondary in the later rounds of the draft, via trade, or via the FA pool.
As much as I want a TE in the 2nd Rd I would jump for joy if we traded up for watkins. But I think he's gone by 4
Ideally I'd like to make the 2nd next year's pick and have us use some money next year in FA to make up for it.
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 11:44:57 AM
There are too many holes on this team get the dancing fairies out of your heads, the Jets and Idzik in particular isn't going to trade up for Watkins.
I know but a girl can dream right lol
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2014, 12:00:28 PM
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2014, 12:06:01 PM
I love Sammy Watkins, but I will never be a fan of trading a future first for any position other than QB.
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
If he became the next megatron I'd be more than willing to pay two firsts
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
If he became the next megatron I'd be more than willing to pay two firsts
He's not
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
I love Sammy Watkins, but I will never be a fan of trading a future first for any position other than QB.
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
That's certainly fair. As a Knicks fan, knowing that this year's lottery pick belongs to someone else stings.
That said, will it certainly cost two first-rounders to move up for him? I'll be honest, I can't be bothered to look up the value of each pick and spend time speculating who we'd have to jump to get him. As I originally said, I'd happily give up every non-compensatory pick this year (including the Revis), if it meant we could have him. The compensatory picks plus the money we are sitting on could help fill some holes with stopgaps. It's certainly a risk, but it would be an all-in move for this year, and I'd be 100% behind it.
If it cost two 1s and this year's 2 and 3, I'd likely still be behind it. It's a complete high-risk-high-reward move, but I'd be in favor of it.
Just for the record, I'm most in favor of staying at 18 or trading back. My original point was that if you're dead-set on trading up for a receiver, go all the way.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 07, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
I know but a girl can dream right lol
Dare to dream my friend. lol
Post by: JFIF on May 07, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
If he became the next megatron I'd be more than willing to pay two firsts
There's no next Megatron.
a 6'5, 235 lb receiver who runs a 4.3 with his strength and leaping ability is like a unicorn.
Watkins isn't the prospect AJ Green was either.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2014, 01:57:08 PM
There's no next Megatron.
a 6'5, 235 lb receiver who runs a 4.3 with his strength and leaping ability is like a unicorn.
Watkins isn't the prospect AJ Green was either.
Even aj green I'd say would absolutely be worth two firsts (assuming he's aj green personality too not like dez Bryant)
Post by: JFIF on May 07, 2014, 03:39:56 PM
Even aj green I'd say would absolutely be worth two firsts (assuming he's aj green personality too not like dez Bryant)
It'd probably take a bit more than that. The Falcons gave up 2 firsts, a second, and a couple of fourths for Julio Jones. Granted, they were on the back end of that draft and their projected 1st the following year wasn't likely to be that high, but that gives you an idea.
And like I said, I think Watkins will be really good but he's not the prospect AJ green was. Too many holes on this team to make that trade.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 07, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
As I originally said, I'd happily give up every non-compensatory pick this year (including the Revis), if it meant we could have him. The compensatory picks plus the money we are sitting on could help fill some holes with stopgaps. It's certainly a risk, but it would be an all-in move for this year, and I'd be 100% behind it.
What? Give up 8 picks for one player? For a team trying to build a solid base? What? Just...what?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 07, 2014, 03:53:38 PM
It'd probably take a bit more than that. The Falcons gave up 2 firsts, a second, and a couple of fourths for Julio Jones. Granted, they were on the back end of that draft and their projected 1st the following year wasn't likely to be that high, but that gives you an idea.
And like I said, I think Watkins will be really good but he's not the prospect AJ green was. Too many holes on this team to make that trade.
And that was to move from 26 to 6. Moving from 18 to 2 actually involves MORE value given up. We'd be looking at that trade as a very lucky floor. We'd probably be asked to give up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 3rd, and a 4th and negotiate from there. If there was some reason the Rams really wanted out of the spot, they might take less, but they'd want a king's ransom.
Worth mentioning that the Dolphins got a very favorable deal from the Raiders to go 12 to 3 last year, but that was a very different draft.
Post by: JFIF on May 07, 2014, 04:00:03 PM
And that was to move from 26 to 6. Moving from 18 to 2 actually involves MORE value given up. We'd be looking at that trade as a very lucky floor. We'd probably be asked to give up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 3rd, and a 4th. If there was some reason the Rams really wanted out of the spot, they might take less, but they'd want a king's ransom.
I'm not so sure he goes at #2.
But they're one of the most willing trade partners.
I don't think it'd be that bad though, at least according to the value chart. Either way I don't really think it's worth it.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 07, 2014, 04:15:04 PM
I'm not so sure he goes at #2.
But they're one of the most willing trade partners.
I don't think it'd be that bad though, at least according to the value chart. Either way I don't really think it's worth it.
They won't go by the draft value chart. In fact, it would be worse if they did. Future 1st rounders aren't valued as well as current. The #2 spot is worth 2600, our spot is 900. Even if they'd value our next year's pick the same way, 2 1sts and 2 2nds would be 2600. Given that they generally discount by a round, we'd be asked for a lot more. Two firsts is the absolute floor of what they'd take, and I think that's a little unlikely. It's just a terrible idea all around.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2014, 04:34:37 PM
What part of "If you're going to bother spending picks to trade up into the top-10 for a wide receiver, then just spend whatever you need to get the best of the bunch" wasn't clear?
Dude, we get it, you love Watkins and would stop at nothing to acquire him.
Post by: klaximilian on May 07, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
What part of "If you're going to bother spending picks to trade up into the top-10 for a wide receiver, then just spend whatever you need to get the best of the bunch" wasn't clear?
I don't know many people that can get on board with pulling a Ditka, especially a team with holes on both sides of the ball.
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 05:14:42 PM
I love Sammy Watkins, but I will never be a fan of trading a future first for any position other than QB.
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
Idzik will never do it buy it's nice to pretend we have a game breaker at wr.
And yes you have a valid point. I wouldn't mind trading up but if my job were actually on the line I wouldn't make a Julio Jones type trade.
I think a 1st and two 2nd is the most I'd do to move up but that probably wouldn't Crack the top 5. I do remember a few trades recently that threw the value chart out the window.
For some reason I feel like this draft has an all bets are off thing to it. Smokescreen seems more abundant
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 07, 2014, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2014, 06:27:52 PM
see: Atlanta Falcons, Julio Jones
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2014, 06:27:56 PM
Trading up can gtfo
You've got nothing to worry about cause its not happening. Or at the very least we can all agree it'd be shocking
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2014, 07:05:47 PM
Even aj green I'd say would absolutely be worth two firsts (assuming he's aj green personality too not like dez Bryant)
AJ Green is worth multiple first rounders. He is one of the best wideout prospects of all-time.
Sammy Watkins is not on that level.
Post by: Pope on May 07, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2014, 09:09:32 PM
Watkins is not worth mortgaging the draft for. I think he'll be good but he lacks elite size. I don't think he'll ever be a top 5 WR in this league.
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I think that depends heavily where he lands.
Had Atlanta not traded up for Julio Jones he could be FAR less impressive than he is.
Plus with guys like Andre Johnson being past his prime, Fitzgerald past his, and Megatron likely nearing the end of his (prime), I think it could be pretty up in the air as to who the top 5 wrs are in a few years.
If Watkins somehow made it to Atlanta, holy freak thats a scary thought.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I think that depends heavily where he lands.
Stop
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2014, 12:37:46 PM
Quote
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??!!
Post by: ons on May 08, 2014, 12:45:52 PM
Post by: IATA on May 08, 2014, 12:52:09 PM
New dream scenario: we manage to get Cooks and trade back into the late first for Carr.
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Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2014, 12:53:23 PM
??!!
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Part Deux
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2014, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2014, 01:00:27 PM
Damn it, I can't see any pics!
gifs of Andy Samberg jizzing in his pants
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2014, 01:04:08 PM
gifs of Andy Samberg jizzing in his pants
Gotcha. And yeah.
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2014, 01:24:40 PM
??!!
MBGreen gives 5 honks for that tweet
Post by: Coach K on May 08, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
TE /Van Noy/ Joyner or bust in Rd 2
Post by: Libero_2 on May 08, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
??!!
Let's be honest, if we are trading up, going up for a QB we perceive as "Sliding" makes a fuckton more sense than us moving for ODB.
This makes a excrement ton of sense. Nobody is really believing Geno can go from last seasons atrocity to a franchise QB. If they are looking at a QB and see a true franchise guy, go freaking get that guy. Put Vick on the field to start the year, let the youngin grow and develop a bit, and try to trade Geno for a mid-rounder.
Post by: NDMick on May 08, 2014, 10:01:42 PM
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2014, 10:12:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 09, 2014, 10:34:37 AM
I think the Jets take Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro tonight in Round 2. They may have to move up to get him. #nyj
0 honks
Post by: Heismanberg on May 09, 2014, 10:36:38 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 1m
I think the Jets take Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro tonight in Round 2. They may have to move up to get him. #nyj
0 honks
Hey man, it's an immediate starter that will give the passing game a boost.
I'd prefer ASJ or a wideout, but I'm not going to complain if the Jets go out and get another starter that can catch the football.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 09, 2014, 10:37:22 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 1m
I think the Jets take Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro tonight in Round 2. They may have to move up to get him. #nyj
0 honks
I love the honk system.
Post by: MBGreen on May 09, 2014, 10:38:21 AM
Hey man, it's an immediate starter that will give the passing game a boost.
I'd prefer ASJ or a wideout, but I'm not going to complain if the Jets go out and get another starter that can catch the football.
As always, it'll depend on who's left on the board.
I don't think a trade-up is necessary however.
Post by: MBGreen on May 09, 2014, 10:39:08 AM
I love the honk system.
We have Coach K's sausage finger typing to thank for this wonderful rating system.
Post by: Coach K on May 09, 2014, 11:00:10 AM
We have Coach K's sausage finger typing to thank for this wonderful rating system.
See I had no idea where this bit came from I just assumed it started when I went AWOL.
I guess I can find the source in the typo thread
Post by: MBGreen on May 09, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
See I had no idea where this bit came from I just assumed it started when I went AWOL.
I guess I can find the source in the typo thread
nah brah. You're a pioneer.
Post by: Coach K on May 09, 2014, 01:24:58 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 09, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
Hey man, it's an immediate starter that will give the passing game a boost.
I'd prefer ASJ or a wideout, but I'm not going to complain if the Jets go out and get another starter that can catch the football.
If we take Amaro, I'd expect both Niklas and ASJ are off the board. In that case, if they think Amaro is better than any remaining WRs then I'm game. I just think he is too one dimensional to take in the 2nd if he isn't going to be elite at that one thing. I know the comparison is horrific, but I can't help but picture Amaro as Dustin Keller-lite. And we ran his derriere out of town because he wasn't good enough at the one thing he could do.
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2014, 04:29:12 PM
And we ran his derriere out of town because he wasn't good enough at the one thing he could do.
Not sure about that. If the team had had any faith in Keller's ability to not get himself injured I think they'd have made much more of an effort to keep him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2014, 01:34:30 PM
anyone have a list of the rookie's twitter accounts?
Ask Steiny.
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 1m
Geno Smith's agent attacked http://bit.ly/1loX36s
That would be Jay-Z, one of the music world's wealthiest, most powerful and most recognizable individuals, about whom you're talking.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2014, 01:36:29 PM
anyone have a list of the rookie's twitter accounts?
Link to Jets draft pick twitter accounts. (http://www.giyf.com/)
Post by: Libero_2 on May 12, 2014, 03:52:24 PM
This tweet is amazing:
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 1m
Geno Smith's agent attacked http://bit.ly/1loX36s
That would be Jay-Z, one of the music world's wealthiest, most powerful and most recognizable individuals, about whom you're talking.
The key is over a year ago.
Post by: ons on May 14, 2014, 09:45:01 AM
And from Colon:
"Honestly, when I walked in here last year, it was different—it was different than what I was used to... but right now, guys are always around each other, it seems like more of a family environment."
"I wasn't here when they made the AFC championship runs, but [Mangold and Ferguson] are talking that it starts to feel like that again, so that's a step in the right direction."
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2014, 09:57:44 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 14, 2014, 10:02:34 AM
Post by: Jetaho on May 14, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
Coples: "I think that guys have a different vibe and a different feeling going into this season. Expectations are high, but we got a lot more firepower, we had a lot of additions in free agency, we had the 12 picks in the draft, there's a lot of things going great for us. There's a lot of momentum going into camp."
And from Colon:
"Honestly, when I walked in here last year, it was different—it was different than what I was used to... but right now, guys are always around each other, it seems like more of a family environment."
"I wasn't here when they made the AFC championship runs, but [Mangold and Ferguson] are talking that it starts to feel like that again, so that's a step in the right direction."
Gotta love the positive vibes!
Post by: Tommy on May 14, 2014, 10:06:18 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 14, 2014, 11:57:42 AM
I think its time for Rex to guarantee were gonna win the superbowl
#SoonToBeChamps
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2014, 12:20:26 PM
This year feels different because it is different. If I'm a returning veteran on this team my thought process is: "Rex made chicken salad out of chicken excrement last year, he's going to work wonders with this revamped squad."
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 14, 2014, 12:42:32 PM
Post by: klaximilian on May 14, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
There is just a lot more talent then we've seen recently, last year especially.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2014, 02:13:41 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 14, 2014, 02:27:31 PM
I actually read more of Colon's comments on Cimini's blog earlier and Willie intimated that there was less cancer in the locker room. Cimini assumed Holmes and Winslow were the biggest culprits, which is likely right. Addition by subtraction.
Absolutely none of that surprises me.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 14, 2014, 03:02:59 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2014, 03:06:33 PM
Absolutely none of that surprises me.
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 14, 2014, 03:20:16 PM
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
Mason and Burress were really bad as well.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 14, 2014, 03:29:37 PM
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
I think it's really telling, that he is still sitting on the market, jobless. Clearly teams saw him as a gigantic cancerous tumor in our lockerroom and do t want him anywhere near their young QBs, no matter how much potential he has.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 14, 2014, 03:34:12 PM
I think it's really telling, that he is still sitting on the market, jobless. Clearly teams saw him as a gigantic cancerous tumor in our lockerroom and do t want him anywhere near their young QBs, no matter how much potential he has.
Well he was sitting on the job market jobless for quite a while before we signed him too
Not only is he a headcase who got arrested multiple times last year, he's also got extreme medical red flags and personality issues.
I think there's a laundry list of reasons why he's not signed
Post by: Libero_2 on May 14, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
Well he was sitting on the job market jobless for quite a while before we signed him too
Not only is he a headcase who got arrested multiple times last year, he's also got extreme medical red flags and personality issues.
I think there's a laundry list of reasons why he's not signed
I was talking about Holmes not Winslow. Everybody knows Winslow is old broken and other stuff is just more reason to stay away. Holmes can still play ball when healthy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2014, 03:54:19 PM
Mason and Burress were really bad as well.
I forgot about Mason. He wasn't here that long though. Plax wasn't either. And while both might have been an issue, neither were as bad as Holmes. Holmes managed to get into a fight with the team's QB in the huddle.
I think it's really telling, that he is still sitting on the market, jobless. Clearly teams saw him as a gigantic cancerous tumor in our lockerroom and do t want him anywhere near their young QBs, no matter how much potential he has.
Yeah. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised. Granted, he's made no friends, but even at a discounted rate? It's not like Tone Time is imaginary.
It's just another lesson that the NFL is a true business. More than any other professional sport.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 14, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
I forgot about Mason. He wasn't here that long though. Plax wasn't either. And while both might have been an issue, neither were as bad as Holmes. Holmes managed to get into a fight with the team's QB in the huddle.
It's not about how long they were here. The end result of bringing in those 2 miserable cunts was having to release Cotchery or more specifically, him asking for his release. So you can argue that signing those 2, affected the team as much if not more so than Holmes. Just saying.
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
Have you ever seen Winslow interviewed? I can't see any way that everyone in the locker room doesn't think he's a massive queynte.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 14, 2014, 04:03:21 PM
Have you ever seen Winslow interviewed? I can't see any way that everyone in the locker room doesn't think he's a massive queynte.
Exactly.
Post by: Jetaho on May 14, 2014, 04:06:08 PM
I was talking about Holmes not Winslow. Everybody knows Winslow is old broken and other stuff is just more reason to stay away. Holmes can still play ball when healthy.
Same arguments (malcontent, diminished skills, medical etc.) apply to either one.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2014, 04:27:53 PM
It's not about how long they were here. The end result of bringing in those 2 miserable cunts was having to release Cotchery or more specifically, him asking for his release. So you can argue that signing those 2, affected the team as much if not more so than Holmes. Just saying.
That's certainly a fair point.
Have you ever seen Winslow interviewed? I can't see any way that everyone in the locker room doesn't think he's a massive queynte.
Honestly, I can't recall ever seeing an interview with him. I'll take your word for it though.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 14, 2014, 04:57:07 PM
Same arguments (malcontent, diminished skills, medical etc.) apply to either one.
At least in Holmes defense he was moderately healthy last year, and still capable of performing reasonably.
And there was more than a handful of stories about how he took the young guys under his wing and spent a lot of time teaching them. Even when he was hurt.
There was also a lot of talk about how he was mentoring and teaching Hill... Of course Hill has continued to look like a horrendous bust.
Post by: Jetaho on May 14, 2014, 05:36:28 PM
At least in Holmes defense he was moderately healthy last year, and still capable of performing reasonably.
And there was more than a handful of stories about how he took the young guys under his wing and spent a lot of time teaching them. Even when he was hurt.
There was also a lot of talk about how he was mentoring and teaching Hill... Of course Hill has continued to look like a horrendous bust.
Holmes had one big game last year. Otherwise, he was a vastly overpriced shell of his former, mediocre self. Hill is walking proof that Holmes' mentoring skills are worthless, and what other "young" guys were there who did anything? Gates, Salad, Nelson, Schillenz . . . .
Holmes - 20 rec/415 yds/1 TD in 11 games (5/154/1TD in week 3 v Bills)
Winslow - 31 rec/388 yds/ 2 TDs in 12 games
Free Santonio from your heart and your mind will follow.
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2014, 07:57:55 PM
Honestly, I can't recall ever seeing an interview with him. I'll take your word for it though.
You must have seen this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I82BPA5QAaQ
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2014, 07:33:14 PM
Jets sign two more picks, fourth-round WR Shaq Evans and sixth-round QB Tajh Boyd. #nyj
Post by: dcm1602 on May 16, 2014, 05:20:37 PM
Quote
Jets claimed RB Daryl Richardson off waivers from the Rams.http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Richardson opened 2013 in a starting role with St. Louis, but appeared in only eight games while dealing with various injuries. He averaged just 3.1 yards per carry when healthy last year after averaging 4.8 YPC as a rookie. Richardson should compete with Bilal Powell for a roster spot as a change-of-pace back.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 16, 2014, 05:42:28 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Camp Comp for the final RB spot should be a good one.
If we keep 3 the last slot is between Richardson, Powell and Goodson, if we keep 4 i'd bet it's Goodson vs. Richardson.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 16, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Camp Comp for the final RB spot should be a good one.
If we keep 3 the last slot is between Richardson, Powell and Goodson, if we keep 4 i'd bet it's Goodson vs. Richardson.
Unless one of them gets injured.
*leaves quickly before people throw stuff at him*
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2014, 07:17:28 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/264kmc/aside_from_rnfl_whats_your_favorite_website_for/chnyzj7
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2014, 07:36:23 AM
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2014, 08:00:35 AM
has anyone heard about this town hall style meet and greet that Rex and Idzik hosted last night with all the draft picks and the fans? Boomer and Carton are raving about it. Apparently Idzik was the man and they introduced all the draft picks, stated why they wanted them and how they could help the team, and played a highlight reel
I heard about it when it was first announced (and immediately sold out).
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2014, 08:04:47 AM
has anyone heard about this town hall style meet and greet that Rex and Idzik hosted last night with all the draft picks and the fans? Boomer and Carton are raving about it. Apparently Idzik was the man and they introduced all the draft picks, stated why they wanted them and how they could help the team, and played a highlight reel
It was on the Jets website last year (not live), I'm sure it'll probably be up there today or tomorrow.
Post by: JFIF on May 22, 2014, 01:13:21 PM
so he can now play like he's 5'7
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
Just caught up with Coples, said he dropped 15 pounds this offseason. Sounds like an expanded role at outside linebacker this year. #nyjets
Post by: Johnny English on May 22, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 1h
Just caught up with Coples, said he dropped 15 pounds this offseason. Sounds like an expanded role at outside linebacker this year. #nyjets
Mehta Exclusive: Quinton Coples battling with eating disorder and drug addiction
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
Mehta Exclusive: Quinton Coples battling with eating disorder and drug addiction
Haha.
"Coples obviously coming off steroid use in 2013."
Post by: Koz on May 22, 2014, 01:35:22 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 22, 2014, 01:43:13 PM
Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 1h
Just caught up with Coples, said he dropped 15 pounds this offseason. Sounds like an expanded role at outside linebacker this year. #nyjets
I saw a tweet yesterday that Rex believes this is Coples breakout year.
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Without quoting tweets, it's being reported by everyone who was at Jets camp today that Vick has basically conceded the starting job to Geno. The general feeling around the team is that it's Smith's job unless Vick blows him out of the water in camp.
I'm okay with that. Either he's the future and he'll have to prove it this year, or next year's first rounder is a QB.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2014, 01:46:45 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 22, 2014, 02:00:55 PM
If Coples is going to play a significant amount of time at OLB, it would behoove him to be quicker.Yep. I don't think he needs to drop a ton of weight, since he's still mostly either rushing the passer or stopping the run. But for plays where he needs to be in space, 275 instead of 290 should help a lot, and still help him be fearsome.
More importantly, it says Coples was willing to do something that the coaching staff presumably asked him to do, on his own. That speaks positively for his work ethic, which some had questions about.
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
If Coples is going to play a significant amount of time at OLB, it would behoove him to be quicker.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 1m
Anonymous source reports Coples has cloven hooves for feet, the mark of the beast. Raises questions about the state of the NYJ locker room (and his work ethic).
Post by: dcm1602 on May 22, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
Yep. I don't think he needs to drop a ton of weight, since he's still mostly either rushing the passer or stopping the run. But for plays where he needs to be in space, 275 instead of 290 should help a lot, and still help him be fearsome.
More importantly, it says Coples was willing to do something that the coaching staff presumably asked him to do, on his own. That speaks positively for his work ethic, which some had questions about.
Well I don't think him being in space is an issue. I remember he was compared to how Baltimore used Suggs, and he just straight rushed like 93% of the time or some high number
Safe bet is Coples will be in that same ballpark
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 1m
Anonymous source reports Coples has cloven hooves for feet, the mark of the beast. Raises questions about the state of the NYJ locker room (and his work ethic).
matches his brands at least
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 22, 2014, 02:49:44 PM
Well I don't think him being in space is an issue. I remember he was compared to how Baltimore used Suggs, and he just straight rushed like 93% of the time or some high number
Safe bet is Coples will be in that same ballpark
I agree. I think Coples' primary responsibility in this defense is going to be to put QBs on their asses.
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2014, 02:59:16 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 24, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2074512-new-york-jets-fan-buys-butt-fumble-jersey-for-820
Post by: JFIF on May 24, 2014, 03:28:53 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 25, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 25, 2014, 08:44:01 AM
Is there any any chance he ends up in the Jets ring of honor?
I mean he probably has more playoffs wins than any QB in the history of the the franchise.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 25, 2014, 09:39:53 AM
Just from the topic of Sanchez and the buttfumble...
Is there any any chance he ends up in the Jets ring of honor?
I mean he probably has more playoffs wins than any QB in the history of the the franchise.
I believe he is tied.
And No sanchez will not end up in the ring of Honor. He is not somebody the fans loved.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2014, 09:48:31 AM
Post by: Tommy on May 25, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
Post by: Jetaho on May 25, 2014, 10:11:50 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 25, 2014, 10:18:54 AM
Is there any any chance he ends up in the Jets ring of honor?
(http://i.imgur.com/GladcG3.jpg)
Post by: Coach K on May 25, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 25, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
We should retire #6 ... and burn it.
That's absurd. Sanchez was an average QB for us. Neither great nor terrible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2014, 05:08:47 PM
That's absurd. Sanchez was an average QB for us. Neither great nor terrible.
that's a reflection on the past QBs the Jets have had more than anything.
Post by: Tommy on May 25, 2014, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 26, 2014, 07:18:49 AM
Post by: Koz on May 27, 2014, 07:10:43 AM
Nice enough chick and she had absolutely nothing to add regarding the Jets, other than that we need a new punter.
Great derriere, for what it's worth.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 07:26:55 AM
So, I was at the Rangers game on Sunday night and this chick in front of me is taking shots with a very fine digital camera. We're in row 20 and she's able to get tight enough with the camera that you could make out the laces on King's glove. I finally ask her about the camera and she says to me, "I need a good camera so that I can take photos of my husband, he plays for the Jets." My obvious question is "who?" To which she replies, Purdum.
Nice enough chick and she had absolutely nothing to add regarding the Jets, other than that we need a new punter.
Great derriere, for what it's worth.
Makes sense that she needs a good camera then. Guess not too many photographers are trying to get photos of long snappers
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2014, 07:28:17 AM
So, I was at the Rangers game on Sunday night and this chick in front of me is taking shots with a very fine digital camera. We're in row 20 and she's able to get tight enough with the camera that you could make out the laces on King's glove. I finally ask her about the camera and she says to me, "I need a good camera so that I can take photos of my husband, he plays for the Jets." My obvious question is "who?" To which she replies, Purdum.
Nice enough chick and she had absolutely nothing to add regarding the Jets, other than that we need a new punter.
Great derriere, for what it's worth.
Did you introduce her to your brother?
Post by: Koz on May 27, 2014, 07:32:24 AM
Did you introduce her to your brother?
She already knew of him. But she did ask if I was a "Friend of Puck."
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2014, 08:04:07 AM
Long Snapper's Wife a Gum Flapper: Kara Purdum throws punter under bus during public tirade, locker room in chaos
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2014, 08:30:55 AM
She already knew of him. But she did ask if I was a "Friend of Puck."
Tell her I said hello.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2014, 08:31:26 AM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Long Snapper's Wife a Gum Flapper: Kara Purdum throws punter under bus during public tirade, locker room in chaos
Koz is going to get hired by the View.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 27, 2014, 10:23:38 AM
The buttfumble will be his lasting legacy. That ain't good.
If people choose to make it that. He also was the winningest QB is our post-season history by age 23.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2014, 10:31:49 AM
Makes sense that she needs a good camera then. Guess not too many photographers are trying to get photos of long snappers
You need that extra resolution to get a close up of Tanner Purdum's taint as he's snapping the ball.
Post by: Tommy on May 27, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
If people choose to make it that. He also was the winningest QB is our post-season history by age 23.
Doesn't matter. Tho buttfumble was huge. Look at Vinny. Got us to the AFC Championship after the team sucked for a long time. That was one season, and he was average/meh for the rest of his time here. He'll always be viewed positively. Why? Because he didn't have any major fuckups.
Sanchez will forever be associated with the two Jets AFC Champ runs as Rex Grossman is viewed by bears fans for their SB run.
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2014, 11:39:50 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
The only people who think that was his defining moment are usually Dolphins or Patriots fans trying to make fun of the Jets.
Making the buttfumble the defining Sanchez moment would be the same as, making the defining moment for most of us, the excrement we took in the morning.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 11:47:26 AM
Post by: Koz on May 27, 2014, 12:01:27 PM
outer space hahaha... solid move by this guy
Just have Rex bury it next to the footballs. Much cheaper route to go.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
The only people who think that was his defining moment are usually Dolphins or Patriots fans trying to make fun of the Jets.
Well to be fair it seems like that may have been pretty close to his defining moment
Otherwise he wouldntve been let go, and end up taking a deal for excrement money to be a backup
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 01:46:47 PM
Well to be fair it seems like that may have been pretty close to his defining moment
Otherwise he wouldntve been let go, and end up taking a deal for excrement money to be a backup
you're right, he was cut because of the buttfumble and not because of his $17 million a year contract and the fact he was a bottom tier NFL quarterback his entire career here
Post by: Heismanberg on May 27, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
you're right, he was cut because of the buttfumble and not because of his $17 million a year contract and the fact he was a bottom tier NFL quarterback his entire career here
I said let go not cut. Obviously paying him that was out of the quest. But they decided to not bring him back on the cheap either, despite him having a reputation as a leader and hard worker.
And considering how little money he took to go to Philly, it seems the front office would've been able to bring him back for quite a bargain.
If the front office didn't think he was a joke on the field, he'd be here right now
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 01:51:41 PM
#wouldntve
It's colloquial
Post by: Heismanberg on May 27, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
I said let go not cut.
...
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Well to be fair it seems like that may have been pretty close to his defining moment
Otherwise he wouldntve been let go, and end up taking a deal for excrement money to be a backup
Considering he was still on the team the next year... nah brah.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 01:57:20 PM
I said let go not cut. Obviously paying him that was out of the quest. But they decided to not bring him back on the cheap either, despite him having a reputation as a leader and hard worker.
And considering how little money he took to go to Philly, it seems the front office would've been able to bring him back for quite a bargain.
If the front office didn't think he was a joke on the field, he'd be here right now
or they thought Vick was a better option and Sanchez had run his course here.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
Considering he was still on the team the next year... nah brah.
How many years was Gholston on the team?
Guaranteed money is a bitch
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Whether or not that's untrue or unfair, no one will know, but his leadership/work ethic didn't do anything for him as a player.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 01:59:48 PM
or they thought Vick was a better option and Sanchez had run his course here.
A 34 year old injury prone run first quarterback.
And Philly thought Sanchez was a better option
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2014, 02:09:03 PM
A 34 year old injury prone run first quarterback.
And Philly thought Sanchez was a better option
Comparing teams with 2 wildly different starting QB situations? Come on man, stop that bs.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 02:10:38 PM
Comparing teams with 2 wildly different starting QB situations? Come on man, stop that bs.
My point was the front office could have brought him back for a very reasonable price but chose not to.
So they couldn't have thought much of him
Post by: IATA on May 27, 2014, 02:14:43 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2014, 02:17:19 PM
Clearly it was because of one play 2 years ago.
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Which was clearly what I said right
I'm glad I'm not the only illiterate person on these boards
Post by: IATA on May 27, 2014, 02:19:40 PM
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Post by: Italian Seafood on May 27, 2014, 02:20:40 PM
Doesn't matter. Tho buttfumble was huge. Look at Vinny. Got us to the AFC Championship after the team sucked for a long time. That was one season, and he was average/meh for the rest of his time here. He'll always be viewed positively. Why? Because he didn't have any major fuckups.
Sanchez will forever be associated with the two Jets AFC Champ runs as Rex Grossman is viewed by bears fans for their SB run.
Sorry, but judging a four year era on one play is just cherry-picking negativity, especially when that one play occurred in a total destruction of a game. Had it been the final drive of a close game or playoffs or something, maybe. Even the fake spike was a game defining moment, the Jets had just given up an 80 yard TD on D and fumbled the ensuing kickoff for another TD.
You can look at the Bubby Brister shovel pass as the defining moment for his time here in the Kotite years, but Sanchez had a winning record and again won games as big as any QB we've had since Namath, including Vinny.
Not saying he needed to still stay here and be the franchise, we'll see what he does from here. But let's not go crazy buying into the bandwagon, ESPN kind of hype over one play in a blowout game.
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2014, 02:21:37 PM
My point was the front office could have brought him back for a very reasonable price but chose not to.
So they couldn't have thought much of him
Regardless of one fumble.
Post by: Ornstein on May 27, 2014, 06:27:15 PM
and of course they didn't bring sanchez back on the cheap, what would that accomplish? he wouldn't be a decent mentor to geno and he'd be third string after signing vick.
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2014, 06:28:57 PM
no point keeping an overpaid qb you have little faith in, especially if you have one that's equally as bad and has more potential at this point..
and of course they didn't bring sanchez back on the cheap, what would that accomplish? he wouldn't be a decent mentor to geno and he'd be third string after signing vick.
They wouldn't have signed Vick if they wanted to bring Sanchez back. And the mentor thing is immaterial.
Post by: Ornstein on May 27, 2014, 06:31:34 PM
They wouldn't have signed Vick if they wanted to bring Sanchez back. And the mentor thing is immaterial.
Why not? Idzik likes to preach about his competition philosophy, if he brought bak Sanchez he'd have 3 quarterbacks with starting experience fighting to be the starter.
Post by: Jetaho on May 27, 2014, 06:38:21 PM
My point was the front office could have brought him back for a very reasonable price but chose not to.
So they couldn't have thought much of him
How could they bring him back at "a very reasonable price"? He was under contract. It counted against the cap. It was either cut him, continue to pay him, or renegotiate and prolong the ordeal. Once he got cut, he showed no sign of wanting to sign with the Jets like Calvin Pace, and he was free to go wherever he wanted. So he gets a fresh start with Philly. Good luck to him, but we are moving on.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 27, 2014, 06:40:16 PM
Why not? Idzik likes to preach about his competition philosophy, if he brought bak Sanchez he'd have 3 quarterbacks with starting experience fighting to be the starter.
Except for, No one in the building still wanted Sanchez there, and neither did the fans.
Nacho had to go. We have to know if Geno can be the guy with Sanchez around, he probably wouldn't get that chance. if Vick (who has publically stated Geno is the guy) beats him out, we certainly have our answer don't we?
Post by: Ornstein on May 27, 2014, 06:42:15 PM
Except for, No one in the building still wanted Sanchez there, and neither did the fans.
Nacho had to go. We have to know if Geno can be the guy with Sanchez around, he probably wouldn't get that chance. if Vick (who has publically stated Geno is the guy) beats him out, we certainly have our answer don't we?
With or without Sanchez I think Geno would have been given a chance to show that he's probably not the answer at qb longterm.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 27, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
With or without Sanchez I think Geno would have been given a chance to show that he's probably not the answer at qb longterm.
this
Post by: Libero_2 on May 27, 2014, 06:51:52 PM
this
Well sure but considering the amount of pressure to kick Sanchez out it's no shock he's gone.
Post by: Ornstein on May 27, 2014, 06:54:49 PM
Well sure but considering the amount of pressure to kick Sanchez out it's no shock he's gone.
Idzik really only cared about his poor play and cap hit, he wasn't worried about what the media or fans thought.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2014, 06:59:25 PM
They wouldn't have signed Vick if they wanted to bring Sanchez back. And the mentor thing is immaterial.
black quarterbacks gotta stick together mang
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2014, 07:12:11 PM
black quarterbacks gotta stick together mang
Jets drafted Boyd to mentor Geno.
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2014, 06:44:36 AM
Chris Johnson @ChrisJohnson28
Let's bring Andre johnson to the jets legooo
Post by: dcm1602 on May 28, 2014, 07:16:36 AM
GM2K
Chris Johnson @ChrisJohnson28
Let's bring Andre johnson to the jets legooo
And Fitz!
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2014, 07:41:01 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
Well, we aren't paying him to be smart.
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/f7/8b/4a/f78b4a1c03d5f5527c963533ab8fa57c.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 28, 2014, 10:21:40 AM
If we traded for him, our two key offensive players would be Johnson & Johnson
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 28, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
The one and only way I'd even consider bringing him here is if they took a late-round pick and Vick shows in camp that he's capable of carrying the offense to the Super Bowl this year. It would be an all-in move and if it failed the entire team would be gutted.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 28, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
I read this morning (Manish?) that Johnson is 33 and is due $10M with a $15M+ cap hit this year, with an escalating number through 2016.
The one and only way I'd even consider bringing him here is if they took a late-round pick and Vick shows in camp that he's capable of carrying the offense to the Super Bowl this year. It would be an all-in move and if it failed the entire team would be gutted.
Or you know, we could potentially restructure him.
Idzik won't dole out that kind of funds for a declining superstar IMO. But my god would that be fun to add Johnson, the guy we should have traded up for instead of Dwayne Can't Block Me Robertson in the first place.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Well it looks like we have a good couple of months of hearing the media beat the Geno/Vick competition/not competition story to a bloody pulp. How many ways can you ask the same question? The NY media will find out.
I don't understand what the big deal is. The better player will eventually become the starter. Even if it's not an "open competition" if Smith shits things up then Vick better get the nod.
Post by: Laxin on May 29, 2014, 07:54:16 AM
Well it looks like we have a good couple of months of hearing the media beat the Geno/Vick competition/not competition story to a bloody pulp. How many ways can you ask the same question? The NY media will find out.
Im pretty sure each of them are sick about it already. Vick said something like "I dont know how to answer these questions a third time around." The dumb derriere reporters ask the same questions over and over and expect a different response from the players, and then later on write about how they are brainwashed by the FO and just say the same thing over and over. Funny thing is, the beat writers are the only ones that care about this story line. Im pretty sure most Jet fans a willing to let it play out and want to hear about other players and stories. But I guess its easier to write 30 articles on a open/closed QB competition.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 30, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
The New York Post mentioned OLB Jermaine Cunningham as a player that stood out at Jets OTAs.
Cunningham re-upped with the Jets on a one-year, minimum-salary deal back in January after originally signing on with Gang Green in November. He saw limited action down the stretch but is still young (26 in April). The former Patriots second-rounder reportedly looked fast around the edge in the non-contact practices. With Calvin Pace entering his age-34 season and Quinton Coples frustrating the Jets, Cunningham could carve out a role in 2014.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 30, 2014, 12:18:37 PM
Rotoworld needs to DIAF
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
Coples is not frustrating the Jets.
Rotoworld needs to DIAF
In fairness, they're just piggybacking off Cimini articles...
Post by: JFIF on June 04, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2014, 01:50:28 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 04, 2014, 01:56:49 PM
I'm going to need a translator for him.
This used to be called the stupid translator.
http://ackuna.com/badtranslator
With 18 translations, and setting it on random language order, I got:
"Also, what is going on."
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2014, 04:14:47 PM
http://grantland.com/features/nfl-stats-predicting-success/
Post by: dcm1602 on June 04, 2014, 05:23:30 PM
I have literally no idea what any of this means.
http://grantland.com/features/nfl-stats-predicting-success/
They use point differentials to predict which teams record will. Improve or decline next year
The Jets got lucky, and our point differentials suggest our record should get worse
But they also said we were the unluckiest team in the league by far on fumble recoveries, which predicts our record should increase next year
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 04, 2014, 05:54:52 PM
So what I read was, "The Jets are going to be excrement next year and we just made up some new statistics to prove it". That about right?
Well point differential isnt exactly a madeup statistic, i think its a moderately reasonable way to predict how well a team is performing
With football seasons being so short it just likely isnt nearly as good as it would be in like basketball, baseball, or hockey though
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2014, 11:27:47 AM
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Coach Rex Ryan expressed frustration with CB Dee Milliner after he sat out Wednesday's OTA session with a tight hamstring.
"He has to understand that he has to be in extraordinary shape," Ryan said. "His challenge is to be in world-class shape because we have to have you out there. He needs to be out there. He needs to get work because that’s how he’s going to get better. He’s got to step it up because I think he has all the talent in the world." Milliner missed game action last season with hamstring troubles. He also missed a large chunk of his rookie offseason with shoulder and Achilles' issues.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2014, 07:56:37 PM
Post by: Tommy on June 09, 2014, 09:03:25 PM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/06/after_practice_at_jets_complex_portugals_cristiano_ronaldo_tries_punting_football.html
No video? Weak.
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2014, 09:09:47 PM
No video? Weak.
Steiny couldn't get a clear angle from the bushes.
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
No video? Weak.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2092101-are-the-new-york-jets-trying-out-cristiano-ronaldo-as-their-new-quarterback
Post by: Jumbo on June 10, 2014, 03:53:59 PM
I really hope this guy shows enough in camp to beat out T-Bo. This is a pretty good highlight reel.
Post by: reuben on June 10, 2014, 04:27:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ux3vX2bzhg
I really hope this guy shows enough in camp to beat out T-Bo. This is a pretty good highlight reel.
Wow. That's probably the best fullback highlight reel I've ever seen. (Not that I've seen very many).
I was scratching my head as to why he wasn't on anyone's radar, and then I looked up his profile. 5'9", 230 lbs. That's awfully small for a pro fullback. The only undersized fullback I can really think of who's had success in the NFL is Jacob Hester (5'11", 238lbs.). Hester was a much more dynamic player in college, faced stiffer competition in the SEC, and even then he hasn't really been all that successful.
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2014, 07:39:48 PM
Post by: reuben on June 10, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
PFF's 2014 Jets Depth Chart is up. No real issues with any of the ratings. I might have bumped Nick Folk and Tanner Purdum up a peg, but then again, I don't think I've ever seen Tanner Purdum make a tackle during punt coverage. Maybe that's taken into account. Whether Brick and Nick just had off years, or whether they are truly on the decline remains to be seen.
EDIT: Purdum has seven total tackles as a Jet, two of which were solo tackles.
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2014, 08:26:52 PM
Post by: Laxin on June 11, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/10/2014-depth-chart-new-york-jets/
PFF's 2014 Jets Depth Chart is up. No real issues with any of the ratings. I might have bumped Nick Folk and Tanner Purdum up a peg, but then again, I don't think I've ever seen Tanner Purdum make a tackle during punt coverage. Maybe that's taken into account. Whether Brick and Nick just had off years, or whether they are truly on the decline remains to be seen.
EDIT: Purdum has seven total tackles as a Jet, two of which were solo tackles.
Disagree with their rankings of Wilkerson, Coples and Chris Johnson.
I have to think Wilkerson is an Elite 3-4 DE. Who else is better than him? JJ Watt. Thats about it. Cameron Jordan, Calias Campbell are on a similar level. If you are a top 3 or 4 3-4 DE Id have to call that Elite. Not many players at that position get double digit sacks.
Also think Coples and CJ?k are at least average starters, with Coples having the ability to be potentially better. Other than that I cant argue much.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 11, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on June 11, 2014, 04:53:37 PM
On top of that, I really don't think he is a better player in the slot than Wilson who hasnt missed a game in 3 years, but hey whatever not my rating scale.
Post by: Jumbo on June 11, 2014, 11:09:04 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 11, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Mo Wilkerson was #42 in NFLN's Top 100 countdown
That's fair. If he remains consistent, he'll continue to rise in these rankings.
Post by: ons on June 12, 2014, 08:24:03 AM
Manish Mehta
Rex: "I'm impressed with Aboushi a little more in these camps than at any time last year...he's done a pretty decent job out there."
Kristian Dyer
Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2014, 09:23:48 AM
Takeaway from Jets OTA: Brian Winters could transition from LG to RG if Colon biceps/knee rehab lingers. Aboushi has opened eyes at LG #nyj—Why was Aboushi getting action at LG?
Manish Mehta
Rex: "I'm impressed with Aboushi a little more in these camps than at any time last year...he's done a pretty decent job out there."
Kristian Dyer
I figure Winters shouldve gotten all the action he could at LG (where he played last year) and with Colon hurt having Aboushi taking all the action on the right
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
Why was Aboushi getting action at LG?
I figure Winters shouldve gotten all the action he could at LG (where he played last year) and with Colon hurt having Aboushi taking all the action on the right
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_S1gH1ASJ6ZM/RkX5AqLX9sI/AAAAAAAAAVo/-9AEaf1MUV8/s320/action.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
Why was Aboushi getting action at LG?
I figure Winters shouldve gotten all the action he could at LG (where he played last year) and with Colon hurt having Aboushi taking all the action on the right
Brian Winters is our best guard with Willie Colon out, so Aboushi needs to play between Ferguson and Mangold.
Better hope that Dozier comes along, because it's not a good thing at all that Winters is our best guard.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
Brian Winters is our best guard with Willie Colon out, so Aboushi needs to play between Ferguson and Mangold.That makes perfect sense. It's just the whole Aboushi opening eyes thing. Almost sounded to me like he looked like he could be better than Winters (potentially?)
Better hope that Dozier comes along, because it's not a good thing at all that Winters is our best guard.
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2014, 11:24:07 AM
That makes perfect sense. It's just the whole Aboushi opening eyes thing. Almost sounded to me like he looked like he could be better than Winters (potentially?)
Based on the evidence of last season, MBGreen is probably a better guard than Brian Winters.
Post by: ons on June 12, 2014, 11:24:33 AM
Brian Winters is our best guard with Willie Colon out, so Aboushi needs to play between Ferguson and Mangold.
Better hope that Dozier comes along, because it's not a good thing at all that Winters is our best guard.
Also just trying to see both guys get reps at both positions in May so that there's more positional flexibility later on with pads on.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2014, 11:28:45 AM
Lots of people were high on us drafting Winters last year. Either we were all wrong or he just needs more time.Well learning a new position buys him a complete pass for the first year in my book.
If he still looks like excrement this year, then I'm gonna start worrying
Post by: MBGreen on June 12, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
Based on the evidence of last season, MBGreen is probably a better guard than Brian Winters.
probably...
i think i'll stick with being a 265lb Cornerback.
Post by: ons on June 12, 2014, 11:36:55 AM
probably...
i think i'll stick with being a 265lb Cornerback.
As long as you never celebrate when a receiver drops a pass, you'll probably be considered better than Kyle Wilson.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2014, 11:43:57 AM
As long as you never celebrate when a receiver drops a pass, you'll probably be considered better than Kyle Wilson.
The Tongue knows all about MB's finger wag. (vomits)
Post by: Jumbo on June 12, 2014, 01:46:50 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2014, 03:24:33 PM
/JE
Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2014, 03:30:39 PM
Though would've been nice to see him succeed on special teams
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
I'd rather see one of the young guys make the team rather than ford anyway.
Though would've been nice to see him succeed on special teams
Replaceable. No fucks given.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2014, 05:44:44 PM
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2014, 01:49:08 PM
http://pagesix.com/2014/06/13/inside-brittny-gastineaus-bloody-hotel-brawl/
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/ddjpt
Post by: Jumbo on June 16, 2014, 08:23:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/imOfkqu.jpg)
Post by: reuben on June 16, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
From r/nyjets:
(http://i.imgur.com/imOfkqu.jpg)
OK, this had to have been made by someone on this site, right?
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2014, 10:09:54 AM
Troubled RB Mike Goodson a no-show at today's mandatory minicamp, I'm told. #nyj
JE is disappoint.
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2014, 10:27:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2014, 10:40:19 AM
Post by: Tommy on June 17, 2014, 10:53:59 AM
Probably figuring out a prison bitch strategy.
He gonna get all dat butt hoo-ha.
Post by: Pope on June 17, 2014, 10:55:15 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2014, 12:14:42 PM
There isn't much room for him behind Ivory, CJ, and Powell anyway. Not too worried
And Daryl Richardson.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
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Chris Johnson told reporters Wednesday he believes he's still capable of rushing for 2,000 yards.
"I’d just retire and not play anymore if I didn’t feel like I was still capable of being a 2,000-yard back," Johnson said. "I know I have the ability." On tape, we haven't noticed a severe decline in ability from Johnson, but his willingness to fight for yardage and break tackles has waned. "I don’t feel like I’m getting older or I lost a step," he insisted. "I still feel good. I still feel explosive." Johnson is expected to be the Jets' lead back in a committee with Chris Ivory.
I know hes delusional, and its extraordinarily unlikely that he would ever hit 2000 yards as a Jet in a season due to playcalling alone, even if hes playing the best he ever has.
But does anyone think he could actually still be an elite back here ?
Post by: Tommy on June 18, 2014, 07:48:27 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2014, 08:17:22 PM
But does anyone think he could actually still be an elite back here ?
no
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2014, 09:12:36 PM
Post by: Pope on June 18, 2014, 10:21:48 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 19, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2014, 08:53:16 AM
I get that he's cool with not being the starter
But I see things like this, and wonder if he's actively hoping that Geno starts.
They talk about his "dream scenario" being Geno winning the superbowl for us, and Vick getting a ring as a backup.
I realize that it's mostly writers writing, with only a small tidbit and quotes from Vick. But still odd
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-york-jets&id=40095
Post by: Tommy on June 22, 2014, 08:56:44 AM
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2014, 09:30:42 AM
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
Post by: Tommy on June 23, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
http://screamer.deadspin.com/rex-ryans-enjoying-some-footy-in-brazil-1594517796/+samer
That's pretty awesome.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
At least our biggest "risers" all play positions which are our two biggest needs (guard and corner)
We might not be quite good at either position, but depth may be stronger than we all anticipated
Post by: Hemi on June 23, 2014, 12:55:29 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 26, 2014, 01:08:37 PM
Someone get in touch with FOURTHANDLONG and Big Blocker so they don't miss it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 30, 2014, 04:32:48 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2014, 05:46:32 PM
Antonio cromartie ran a 4.34 at a workout
The Jets didn't cut him because of his struggles running in a straight line.
Post by: Tommy on June 30, 2014, 08:09:40 PM
The Jets didn't cut him because of his struggles running in a straight line.
Funny. I think his speed may have hurt him on some occasions. How often did we see him overshoot the opposing WR.
Post by: JFIF on July 01, 2014, 12:38:44 AM
Antonio cromartie ran a 4.34 at a workout
That didn't even look remotely like a 4.3
generous stop watch
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 01, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
The Jets didn't cut him because of his struggles running in a straight line.
They cut him because of an injury that hampered his ability to run in a straight line. We all know Cro isn't a technically sound CB, but that hip injury limited his speed and reaction time last year.
I had no problem letting Cro go, any one of our backups could have preformed better than his season last year.
Post by: Badger on July 01, 2014, 09:18:32 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 01, 2014, 11:48:02 AM
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-york-jets&id=40454
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
Post by: reuben on July 03, 2014, 08:20:26 AM
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Chris Johnson believes he will not be involved in a timeshare with Chris Ivory on the Jets.
"As for the timeshare and all that, it won't be an issue I'm pretty sure," said Johnson. "... At the end of the day, if I continue to play like I've been playing, they're going to keep handing the ball off to me." It's worth noting that incumbent starter Ivory averaged 4.58 yards per carry last season. Johnson averaged 3.86. There's a good case to be made that Ivory is the Jets' best runner.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwg5nqw2ta1qzjix8.gif)
Chris Ivory FTW.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 03, 2014, 09:11:50 AM
If he starts playing like his 2k season yeah I don't think there will be a timeshare
But if be looks like he did last year, it could be a 3 way timeshare
Post by: Jumbo on July 03, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 03, 2014, 08:58:42 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 03, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
Whoever isn't on IR/dead will get the carries. You can assume that all 3 won't be playing every game this year.I'd probably be willing to assume that about any team that uses 3 running backs regularly
Post by: Tommy on July 04, 2014, 01:15:33 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 04, 2014, 01:57:40 AM
I hate to say this at this risk of being a jinx, but I think we got real lucky with Ivory's health last year. I can't see him staying healthy like that. Dude runs 100pct on every play. While awesome on the surface, it means he's more likely to injury himself.
he only had 182 rushing attempts, and he was knocked out early of 1 game and missed the next entirely.
not to mention was injured in the preseason.
He's going to get dinged up like that. I don't know if lucky is the right word
Post by: Pope on July 04, 2014, 10:47:46 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 04, 2014, 11:37:54 AM
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Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg referred to Chris Johnson as a "first-ballot Hall of Famer."
First-ballot HOF running backs, even on the downside of their careers, don't typically share carries. So if Mornhinweg truly believes Johnson belongs in that category, he'll be a good bet to hold off Chris Ivory. Johnson recently stated he doesn't believe the Jets' backfield will be a timeshare. We suspect it's probably only a matter of time before CJ?K begins complaining about his workload.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/289825/jets-oc-cjk-is-first-ballot-hall-of-fame
I find it hard to imagine any realistic scenario in which Ivory doesnt get a significant amount of carries, short of Johnson having a return to 2k form.
We gave up a early mid round pick for Ivory, gave him a decent chunk of cash for a running back, and hes performed well. It would be stupid to just run Johnson into the ground, and then be forced to overwork Ivory risking injury completely freaking up our backfield.
I think a 45/30/15 split or something there about between Johnson/Ivory/Blial is by far the most realistic and likely scenario
With those numbers changing depending on how much we need to throw
Post by: JFIF on July 04, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
I'm excited for ebony and ivory
Haha
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2014, 11:19:59 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/Jets-to-Host-July-16-Movie-Night-at-Stadium-/80e97855-df37-4fd5-ada2-3498b34c3b8bFree face painting!?
Prime opportunity to tailgate
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2014, 03:27:07 PM
Jets OLB Antwan Barnes (knee) anticipates being ready for the start of training camp.
Barnes blew out his ACL in Week 5, which should be plenty of time for him to have a successful recovery. He'll compete for a reserve role behind starters Quinton Coples and Calvin Pace. Barnes has 20.5 sacks the past four season
Rotoworld
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
Sounds like his Jets career might not be over, despite the previous news about an injury settlement
Huh?
The article rotoworld referenced here was over a month old.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2014, 04:04:30 PM
Huh?
The article rotoworld referenced here was over a month old.
Ill assume it was a typo on NJ.com ?
I mean it says June 9th, and today is the 9th...
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2014, 04:06:39 PM
Ill assume it was a typo on NJ.com ?
I mean it says June 9th, and today is the 9th...
I don't think so. In the article, it refers to another article as "last week......", which is dated June 4th.
Also, in the main article it says, "The Jets have their final set of voluntary OTAs scheduled today through Thursday, with mandatory minicamp on tap for June 17-19. After that, there are no formal team offseason workouts until training camp."
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2014, 04:12:16 PM
I don't think so. In the article, it refers to another article as "last week......", which is dated June 4th.
Also, in the main article it says, "The Jets have their final set of voluntary OTAs scheduled today through Thursday, with mandatory minicamp on tap for June 17-19. After that, there are no formal team offseason workouts until training camp."
Youre right
Pretty stupid
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2014, 05:24:19 PM
Youre right
Pretty stupid
Yeah, I think someone at rotoworld ran out of excrement to say about the Jets, or they saw an old article and thought it was new.
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2014, 09:26:58 PM
#SHAMEONYOUISRAEL
Dang joos
Post by: Tommy on July 10, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
Oday best shut the freak up.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 10, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
Post by: Jumbo on July 10, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2014, 11:01:43 AM
And speculates that we bring in a blocking tight end or Jumbo te (we let Reuland our blocking te go, and Ducasse our Jumbo)
Post by: Nope. on July 15, 2014, 12:55:27 PM
Cimini mentions that Amaro seems lost in campI wish Cimini could at least wait until camp starts before he starts doing excrement like this.
And speculates that we bring in a blocking tight end or Jumbo te (we let Reuland our blocking te go, and Ducasse our Jumbo)
Post by: Heismanberg on July 15, 2014, 01:10:32 PM
Cimini mentions that Amaro seems lost in camp
You should wait for real football to start (training camp) before you start taking his excrement seriously.
Wait
You should never take him seriously.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
I wish Cimini could at least wait until camp starts before he starts doing excrement like this.It's not like he said anything outlandish
Amaro had a wildly different offense in school, and has said that the playbook was a lot
And we don't have any blocking specialist tight ends on the roster, we have three guys who can catch but never were good blockers.
Hell people on these boards mentioned us bringing in a blocking te before, like that guy from Baltimore whose name escapes me
Post by: Heismanberg on July 15, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
Amaro had a wildly different offense in school, and has said that the playbook was a lot
It's garbage speculation. I usually don't hate on Cimini as much as others, but his opinion on actual football is useless.
There's only so many routes that can be run. He'll pick it up. It's not a big deal to see a rookie skill position player swimming before training camp. It's a lot to learn.
The blocking tight end needs to go away. Just put an extra lineman on the field if that player is only going to block.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 15, 2014, 03:20:28 PM
Hell people on these boards mentioned us bringing in a blocking te before, like that guy from Baltimore whose name escapes me
Ed Dickson is not a blocking tight end.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 17, 2014, 12:11:22 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2014, 01:13:57 AM
keep calm and smoky joe bruh
Lol. Point taken. I'll stop.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 17, 2014, 07:39:55 AM
Lol. Point taken. I'll stop.
You don't have to stop, just keep it out of the Jets twitter thread
Post by: Jumbo on July 20, 2014, 05:29:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
I don't know if anyone knew this, but apparently Demario Davis is Steve McNair's cousin. Weird.
Didn't know that, but they are both from Mississippi...so now it makes more sense.
Their hometowns are 15 minutes apart.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 20, 2014, 05:39:50 PM
I don't know if anyone knew this, but apparently Demario Davis is Steve McNair's cousin. Weird.Hopefully they don't have the same taste in women
Post by: Badger on July 20, 2014, 05:43:17 PM
Hopefully they don't have the same taste in women
Davis is too Christian to cheat on his wife. He'll get a divorce if he wants to bang somebody else, like Russell Wilson did.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2014, 05:54:47 PM
Davis is too Christian to cheat on his wife. He'll get a divorce if he wants to bang somebody else, like Russell Wilson did.
One of my players told me that Golden Tate was "stickin'" Russell Wilson's wife and that's what happened.
Post by: Badger on July 20, 2014, 06:07:22 PM
One of my players told me that Golden Tate was "stickin'" Russell Wilson's wife and that's what happened.
For some reason I never entertained the possibly that she could have cheated on him.
Post by: Tommy on July 20, 2014, 07:02:00 PM
For some reason I never entertained the possibly that she could have cheated on him.
You've been watching too much Lifetime.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 20, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
Didn't know that, but they are both from Mississippi...so now it makes more sense.
Their hometowns are 15 minutes apart.
Down there, everybody's related.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 21, 2014, 07:41:31 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 21, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quentin Groves worked out for the Jets today.Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 21, 2014, 07:45:56 PM
Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?No.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 21, 2014, 08:20:27 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-david-harris-nfl-underrated-player-rex-ryan-article-1.1874128
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“David Harris is the most underrated player in the league,” Ryan told the Daily News. “It ain't close! It ain’t close! You could have a top 100... and he’s not even mentioned. And I’m like, ‘What?!’”
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Pro Football Focus ranked Harris 18th out of 55 inside linebackers in a 3-4 base scheme last year. He has started every game (86) since Ryan took over five years ago and been terrific in run support.
Harris, however, has struggled in pass coverage. Quarterbacks had a 119.2 passer rating throwing into Harris' coverage last season. Only six linebackers allowed a worse rating.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 21, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?
Quentin Groves sucks
Post by: Tommy on July 21, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?
Not possible.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2014, 10:47:54 PM
Not possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWihNBmupdI
Post by: Libero_2 on July 21, 2014, 10:53:04 PM
Quentin Groves worked out for the Jets today.
That 2008 draft class was so bad for pass rushers (and basically everything else).
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2014, 12:13:31 PM
Is this the attitude/mindset of the team ? Or is it a creation of the media, maybe based upon the perception of this team from when Rex came here and made his superbowl guarentees and what not.
Its interesting that you always see this coming from the Jets, and not so much the rest of the league.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
Its interesting that you always see this coming from the Jets, and not so much the rest of the league.
Unless you follow the Green Bay and Arizona and Buffalo and Jacksonville beat writers as closely as you do the Jets writers, you're not going to see it so much from other teams. They all do it.
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2014, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2014, 01:00:17 PM
Unless you follow the Green Bay and Arizona and Buffalo and Jacksonville beat writers as closely as you do the Jets writers, you're not going to see it so much from other teams. They all do it.
I was thinking earlier that it could just be Jet fans following jet media
But then like on nfl.com (and rotoworld) the jet stuff always ends up on the main page
Id say its a media market thing, except i never even notice that the giants exist
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2014, 01:02:47 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-darrelle-revis-admits-wanted-ny-jets-reunion-article-1.1880245
Just planning ahead to use the Jets as negotiating pawns next year.
Post by: JFIF on July 27, 2014, 01:05:18 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-darrelle-revis-admits-wanted-ny-jets-reunion-article-1.1880245
"you know, that was a possibility"
i hate that freaking paper
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
blessed_2x5: Minor Setback...no concussion & I'll be back in no time
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2014, 11:57:49 PM
Calvin Pryor on Instagram:
blessed_2x5: Minor Setback...no concussion & I'll be back in no time
Maybe it's worse than we thought and he's delusional.
I highly doubt the docs would tell Rex he has a concussion, who then tells the media and like 8 hours later reverse their initial reports. But hey maybe that's exactly what they did.
Post by: JFIF on July 28, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
Post by: Coach K on July 28, 2014, 02:08:44 PM
@HubbuchNYP: Mark Sanchez on Philly vs. New York: "The fans are a lot nicer here." BOOM
One of the greatest comedy moments, Bill Burr vs Philly
Bill Burr gives Philly a talking to... (Full Vers…: http://youtu.be/rNnkDjMVJqE
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2014, 02:23:18 PM
One of the greatest comedy moments, Bill Burr vs Philly
Bill Burr gives Philly a talking to... (Full Vers…: http://youtu.be/rNnkDjMVJqE
I never heard that before. I thoroughly enjoyed all 12 minutes and 48 seconds of it.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Post by: Ornstein on July 28, 2014, 02:47:32 PM
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2014, 01:47:13 PM
@HubbuchNYP: Mark Sanchez on Philly vs. New York: "The fans are a lot nicer here." BOOM
(http://i.imgur.com/50OKr0Q.png)
Post by: Miamipuck on July 29, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 29, 2014, 02:01:25 PM
enjoy the bench this year.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/50OKr0Q.png)I'm surprised it wasn't from Manish
Post by: Tommy on July 29, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 29, 2014, 07:52:21 PM
He must be thinking, "Really? I change teams and conferences and I still have those NYC media dickheads writing excrement about me? What more do I have to freaking do?"
He has to die, that's literally the only way they will stop. But even then he will still get brought up regularly. But at least he won't be around to care.
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
He has to die, that's literally the only way they will stop. But even then he will still get brought up regularly. But at least he won't be around to care.
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 29, 2014, 07:58:34 PM
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
The media is ridiculously different now. Football dominates the world media, 20 years ago it was important, but not like it is now.
For Christs sakes, we still get 10 Tebow mentions a day, and the guy hasn't played football in two years, and wasn't even relevant when he did play. It's mind boggling how obsessed the media gets with certain things, and it's always the QBs.
It's just like how we are constantly berated by this current QB competition. Everybody knows it's not a competition, Vick is the backup unless Geno flat out sucks ball in the preseason games. Yet everyday guys like cimini are counting first team reps, and constantly telling us how it's the most important competition on the team, when it was decided in January.
Post by: Tommy on July 29, 2014, 09:45:47 PM
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
Well, the Jets were already pretty shitty when Kotite took over anyway.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 30, 2014, 07:20:04 AM
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
Can you imagine the abuse his kids went through in school?
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2014, 08:09:52 AM
Well, the Jets were already pretty shitty when Kotite took over anyway.
Not really. They were mediocre. They then proceeded to go through the worst 2-season span in team history.
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2014, 09:53:23 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/defense-green-demario-davis-article-1.1884989
Very Ray Lewis-esque.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2014, 11:42:24 AM
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
The same writers who wrote about the neutered-and-on-the-hotseat Rex last year are the same ones shaking their heads at the "same old Jets bravado" now. This media is a pack of hyenas.
At least "same old" now applies to our team's confidence and not, you know, sucking.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 30, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
At least "same old" now applies to our team's confidence and not, you know, sucking.
Also, is it a coincidence that when we had serious swagger and insane overconfidence, we were at our best? Or did the insane confidence contribute to how good we actually were?
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2014, 12:04:20 PM
Also, is it a coincidence that when we had serious swagger and insane overconfidence, we were at our best? Or did the insane confidence contribute to how good we actually were?
I think they feed off each other. Rex's confidence boosts the players ("When Rex speaks he makes me want to run through a wall for him!"). That feeling boosts the effort on the practice field, which leads to improved play, which leads to more confidence, and the loop continues.
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2014, 12:04:28 PM
Also, is it a coincidence that when we had serious swagger and insane overconfidence, we were at our best? Or did the insane confidence contribute to how good we actually were?
Mostly we just had better players.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
This is some proper locker room leadership.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/defense-green-demario-davis-article-1.1884989
Very Ray Lewis-esque.
Think this article is a little better on Davis, although it starts off with Cimini being an obnoxious prick.
So ill just paste the good parts completely skipping his intro
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/41027/a-voice-of-reason-amid-the-crazy-talk
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"Our goals are extremely high," said one of those players, linebacker Demario Davis, on Wednesday in an interview tent after practice. "The things you're hearing aren't just words, it's coming from a place. It's coming from deep down. We're confident in who we are, but the work has to precede the glory."
Davis gets it. He's a young player who speaks like a seasoned veteran. Listening to him in the tent conjured up memories of Ronnie Lott (circa 1993) and Bryan Cox (1998) and Thomas Jones (2009), locker-room leaders that inspired with words but understood their words didn't have to be in headlines for validation.
On Tuesday, Davis did a radio interview in which he essentially called out his defensive teammates for not working hard enough -- at least not hard enough to be considered the best defense in the league, as linebacker Calvin Pace proclaimed. Davis said "too many people are saying we can be the best defense or we are the best defense, but the work has to show it." Behind closed doors, he talks that way all the time, trying to convince teammates to join him for extra film watching and to hang out with him after practice, doing more work.
"Guys like that, you have no problem following, because he most definitely tries to lead you to the promised land," said defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, claiming that Davis takes it personally if he sees a player loafing on defense.
Amid the white noise, Davis is the voice of reason. Fittingly, he spearheaded one of the best defensive practices in a long time. On the fifth play of team drills, he stepped in front of a wide-receiver screen, made the interception and returned it about 20 yards for a touchdown. That's what you call a tone setter. Four interceptions and a few sacks ensued, as Ryan's beloved defense terrorized the offense.
"Just a perfect day for us," Richardson said.
It was only one play in a July practice, so perspective is in order, but you can't ignore the symbolism. There was an uncommonly mature player, speaking with actions, not words, and later saying the great day will be reduced to "smoke" if the defense can't do it again Thursday.
That should be the stuff of headlines.
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2014, 02:12:37 PM
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Vick met with the media for about three minutes after practice, and the Jets' media relations staff had just announced that Vick would be taking one more question when ESPN New York's Rich Cimini asked whether the reps breakdown indicated the coaches had made a decision.
"Decision about what?" Vick asked.
"The quarterback job," Cimini answered.
"I'm outta here," Vick said.
He then smiled and added, "Ya'll have a good one."
As he departed, Vick had to walk right past Cimini.
"Well, I mean—that's a fair question," Cimini said.
Vick, smiling, said, "It's a fair question, man," and patted Cimini on the butt.
Video in link
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 31, 2014, 02:26:38 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 31, 2014, 02:28:22 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2014, 02:33:12 PM
I'm getting very annoyed by Americans who can't get their own contraction correct. It's "y'all", not "ya'll". There are no missing letters between the a and the l.
I hate that too.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 31, 2014, 02:37:16 PM
I hate that too.
Yeah it freaking drives me insane, I hate the assholes that spell it that way.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 31, 2014, 02:37:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Ya'll think Geno will be starting over Vick?
Yal'l
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 31, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2014, 02:44:40 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on July 31, 2014, 02:53:17 PM
Post by: Jetaho on July 31, 2014, 04:58:46 PM
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2014, 04:59:38 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 31, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2014, 05:27:01 PM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/07/watch_mike_vick_ends_interview_abruptly_pats_reporter_on_the_butt.html
Video in link
Cimini is going to sue Vick for sexual harassment
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2014, 05:37:02 PM
M'Nish Mehta
G'No Sm'th
Both of which would be correct.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 31, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 01, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
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Jets signed RB Michael Smith, formerly of the Bucs.
Smith is an undersized burner out of Utah State. The Buccaneers cut him in May. Smith will likely be a practice body until the Jets make final cuts.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
Rotoshart:Don't see a need at running back, and don't see us wasting a practice squad spot on one
Post by: Tommy on August 01, 2014, 08:42:21 PM
Don't see a need at running back, and don't see us wasting a practice squad spot on one
You tell those bastards, Dcm.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 01, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
Don't see a need at running back, and don't see us wasting a practice squad spot on one
Nothing wrong with adding a practice body for the majority of camp
Post by: Libero_2 on August 01, 2014, 08:46:13 PM
Nothing wrong with adding a practice body for the majority of camp
especially given that Johnson is on a pitch count, and Powell has a hammy problem. Somebody's gotta tote the rock this preseason, and you sure as excrement don't want Ivory to take too many hits given the way he runs.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2014, 08:49:51 PM
Nothing wrong with adding a practice body for the majority of campOops I read practice squad, they said practice body.
Big difference
Post by: dcm1602 on August 03, 2014, 01:09:28 PM
The Jets received a $1.75 million salary-cap credit this year because of an injury grievance it settled with former nose tackleSione Po'uha, who was released in March 2013. Let me explain. Pouha, whose 2013 salary ($5.0 million) was guaranteed against injury but not skill, filed the grievance because he believed his release was injury-related, sources said. A true warrior and team leader, he played with a severe back ailment in 2012, one that caused complications after the season.
When a grievance is pending, 40 percent of the player's salary counts against the cap, according to the collective bargaining agreement. In other words, Po'uha counted $2 million on the 2013 cap. Several months ago, he received a $250,000 settlement from the Jets, sources said. That amount was deducted from the $2 million hit in '13, resulting in the $1.75 million credit this year.
The Jets would have had a ton of cap space without the Po'uha verdict. Now they have even more, about $21 million. Po'uha, 35, who didn't play last season, is unofficially retired.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 03, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2014, 01:36:21 PM
Mo' money.....Mo' money.....Mo' money..........
Now we can finally sign LaRon Landry.
Post by: Tommy on August 03, 2014, 07:52:15 PM
Now we can finally sign LaRon Landry.
JE doing cartwheels.
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
Post by: Shellder Richardson on August 05, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
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Seth Walder @SethWalderNYDN
Jets signed OL Bruce Campbell. Jermaine Cunningham was placed on IR. #nyj
"Hail to the king, baby."
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2014, 11:48:25 AM
"Hail to the king, baby."
Any day with an Evil Dead quote is a good day.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 05, 2014, 12:00:51 PM
Any day with an Evil Dead quote is a good day.
Did you like Army of Darkness?
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2014, 12:11:55 PM
Did you like Army of Darkness?
It's years since I've seen those movies, but yes, I loved them all.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 05, 2014, 12:30:09 PM
It's years since I've seen those movies, but yes, I loved them all.
Cool, they were really good.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 05, 2014, 12:37:43 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
The first person to text Rex after his son broke his collarbone was Mark Sanchez to ask for the kid's number. Say whatever you want about Sanchez the player, but as far as a person, he's a class act.Rex was Sanchezs biggest advocate by far here
Very likely to a fault
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 05, 2014, 03:25:06 PM
I still think that their front office fucked Mark Sanchez more than anything. Being overconfident in excrement players like Wayne Hunter and letting the receiving corps fall apart was just not good offensive management.
Totally agree. The team failed him and he in turn failed.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
Totally agree. The team failed him and he in turn failed.
On the brightside, had he improved a little bit...we might have Mark Sanchez getting paid like Andy Dalton is right now. So at least there's that.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2014, 03:40:49 PM
On the brightside, had he improved a little bit...we might have Mark Sanchez getting paid like Andy Dalton is right now. So at least there's that.Plus now we got Geno and Vick
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
Plus now we got Geno and Vick
not necessarily an improvement as of yet
Post by: Tommy on August 05, 2014, 07:03:01 PM
I still think that their front office fucked Mark Sanchez more than anything. Being overconfident in excrement players like Wayne Hunter and letting the receiving corps fall apart was just not good offensive management.
Let it go dude.
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2014, 07:38:50 PM
Let it go dude.
Yeah, stop accurately recalling events.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 08:07:35 PM
I still think that their front office fucked Mark Sanchez more than anything. Being overconfident in excrement players like Wayne Hunter and letting the receiving corps fall apart was just not good offensive management.
Wait, you mean it wasn't a good idea to depend on Plaxico Burress, Derrick Mason, and Wayne Hunter?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Let it go dude.
kill yourself
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 09:42:57 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
2010: Kyle Wilson (bust)
2011: Muhammad Wilkerson (steal)
2012: Quinton Coples (TBD)
2013: Dee Milliner (TBD) and Sheldon Richardson (stud)
2014: Calvin Pryor (TBD)
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 09:54:01 PM
I mean, you could make the same argument that it's offensive mismanagement to go five straight years without drafting an offensive player in the 1st round.
It is
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 09:56:39 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 05, 2014, 10:01:15 PM
To be fair though, we have taken an offensive player in the second round every year during that timespan (not counting 2011 when we traded our 2nd for Cro).
No, it's the Jets fault that Sanchez sucked.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
No, it's the Jets fault that Sanchez sucked.
Um, I don't follow.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
To be fair though, we have taken an offensive player in the second round every year during that timespan (not counting 2011 when we traded our 2nd for Cro).
A developmental lineman, a developmental receiver, and another quarterback. Not exactly giving immediate help.
Jace Amaro is the most polished skill player this team has draft in the first two rounds since 2001 when we took Santana Moss. The offense has been neglected for a really, really long time.
When a player coming out of Texas Tech's offense is your most polished drafted skill position player in 14 seasons, that's not good.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
A developmental lineman, a developmental receiver, and another quarterback. Not exactly giving immediate help.
Jace Amaro is the most polished skill player this team has draft in the first two rounds since 2001 when we took Santana Moss. The offense has been neglected for a really, really long time.
When a player coming out of Texas Tech's offense is your most polished drafted skill position player in 14 seasons, that's not good.
I'm in complete agreement with you. Although, you can argue that Dustin Keller was more polished than Amaro.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 10:19:37 PM
I'm in complete agreement with you.
This team hasn't had a head coach with an offensive background since Rich Kotite in 1996. And I know that Kotite was awful, but the coaching hires are a big reason why the offense has been an afterthought in the draft.
Parcells, Groh, Edwards, Mangini, and Ryan...all defensive guys.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2014, 10:21:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2014, 10:26:50 PM
If Rex gets canned after this season... Darrell Bevell 2015!
Kevin Sumlin
Hue Jackson
Chad Morris
People will hate on this guy because he's with New England again and didn't have a lot of success, but Josh McDaniels will get another chance. I wouldn't be upset if he came to NY.
Hopefully Ryan pulls off some excrement and turns this thing around though.
Post by: Jumbo on August 06, 2014, 12:08:36 AM
Karl Dunbar's look-alike on Hard Knocks.
Post by: Tommy on August 06, 2014, 12:16:16 AM
http://youtu.be/Biw6CTEnviM?t=2m16s
Karl Dunbar's look-alike on Hard Knocks.
Wow thanks. I totally forgot about HK. Need my fix.
Post by: Jumbo on August 06, 2014, 12:52:32 AM
Wow thanks. I totally forgot about HK. Need my fix.
For your viewing pleasure:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2cr4qt/hard_knocks_2014_ep_1_in_7_parts/
Post by: Tommy on August 06, 2014, 12:54:47 AM
For your viewing pleasure:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2cr4qt/hard_knocks_2014_ep_1_in_7_parts/
You're the man!
Post by: Miamipuck on August 06, 2014, 08:09:16 AM
Wow thanks. I totally forgot about HK. Need my fix.
Don't you live in Hong Kong?
Post by: Tommy on August 06, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
Don't you live in Hong Kong?
This guy.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2014, 09:54:39 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 08, 2014, 09:22:58 PM
http://turnonthejets.com/2014/08/sadness-new-york-jets-media/#more-23116 (http://turnonthejets.com/2014/08/sadness-new-york-jets-media/#more-23116)
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2014, 09:30:58 PM
Hahahahaha this guy rips Gary Myers:
http://turnonthejets.com/2014/08/sadness-new-york-jets-media/#more-23116 (http://turnonthejets.com/2014/08/sadness-new-york-jets-media/#more-23116)
lol @ the Mike Donnelly
Post by: Miamipuck on August 08, 2014, 09:59:48 PM
lol @ the Mike Donnelly
Is that the dude you guys exposed for plagiarism?
Post by: Miamipuck on August 08, 2014, 10:01:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2014, 10:06:37 PM
If it is Please delete my post I didn't even realize.
It is, but I'll leave it. I don't care.
Since he lurks this forum: you are a chubby, plagiarizing bundle of sticks, Mike
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2014, 10:07:32 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 09, 2014, 12:37:11 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on August 09, 2014, 08:18:33 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 09, 2014, 12:30:14 PM
I always wondered from where those Mike Donelly jokes came from! What was the article about? I arrived late to that story (the plagiarizing one)
I don't know what article he plagiarized, all I know he was supposed to be a big part of YDKF and then he wasn't. That's the reason that was given; then they gave me the article but that was three years ago, I totally forgot which article and its context.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 09, 2014, 01:05:33 PM
I always wondered from where those Mike Donelly jokes came from! What was the article about? I arrived late to that story (the plagiarizing one)
It was a Bill Simmons article. He was obsessed with him, and we got a message that it "looked awfully similar". When we investigated, it was almost word for word. Then he did it again. Turns out most of his work, or 'jokes' in jets ones, was copied.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2014, 01:45:01 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2014, 01:49:36 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/video-ny-jets-coach-rex-ryan-turns-tables-plays-reporter-press-conference-blog-entry-1.1897925
Interviewed by Rex
And Rex takes a shot at Manish (which apparently is prounouced Man-Eeesh, not Man-ish)
Post by: Heismanberg on August 09, 2014, 03:27:33 PM
(which apparently is prounouced Man-Eeesh, not Man-ish)
......
Post by: Miamipuck on August 09, 2014, 03:44:41 PM
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2014, 08:40:17 AM
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MacDonald didn't think too highly of the stadium the other two New York teams play in. He rated MetLife Stadium in New Jersey one of the league's worst places to watch a game, though he said the experience was slightly better when the Giants were playing.
"I found Jets fans to be a bit more, I guess, negative … humorless perhaps," MacDonald told the New York Post. "I found the fans around me to complain as soon as something bad happened. There's also a bit more drunkenness and that sort of thing."
Post by: Miamipuck on August 11, 2014, 08:50:04 AM
Post by: JFIF on August 11, 2014, 08:50:08 AM
I always wondered from where those Mike Donelly jokes came from! What was the article about? I arrived late to that story (the plagiarizing one)
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2014, 08:50:47 AM
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
MikeHoncho
Post by: JFIF on August 11, 2014, 08:50:54 AM
He's 100% correct, I can't argue with any of it. Metlife for a brand new stadium sucks and the average Jets fan complains about every freaking thing.
Yep. He nailed it.
Worst designed stadium
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2014, 09:00:19 AM
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2014, 02:23:01 PM
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
No, I was I Love AppleSauce
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
Don't associate me with that Donelly guy. I was nyjetsrule when I got on TGG as like an 8th grader lol
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2014, 04:13:24 PM
Don't associate me with that Donelly guy. I was nyjetsrule when I got on TGG as like an 8th grader lol
I didn't realize you were that tenured, most of the names with "jets" in them tend to blend in to the background.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2014, 04:17:41 PM
I didn't realize you were that tenured, most of the names with "jets" in them tend to blend in to the background.
Oh yeah my derriere has been around (on TGG) since 9/13/03.
I'm probably one of the 5 or 6 longest tenured guys around.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2014, 08:19:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2014, 08:32:38 PM
someone, quick. does GQsanchez post here?
I don't know if he signed up at JO. He was at YDKF for a while.
That guy is such a bundle of sticks.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
someone, quick. does GQsanchez post here?
I have no idea, he probably changed his name again to hide his post history from his pizza.
Post by: Pope on August 11, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I have no idea, he probably changed his name again to hide his post history from his pizza.That dude definitely smokes dick
Post by: Cane on August 11, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Oh yeah my derriere has been around (on TGG) since 9/13/03.
I'm probably one of the 5 or 6 longest tenured guys around.
There was a big board crash in 02 so my start date is gone, but started lurking there some time during the 01-02 season. I thought everyone was so smart back then, now I know how remarkably stupid 99% of Jet fans are.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 11, 2014, 10:53:12 PM
That dude definitely smokes dick
So he has a pepperoni pizza?
Post by: Tommy on August 11, 2014, 10:56:25 PM
There was a big board crash in 02 so my start date is gone, but started lurking there some time during the 01-02 season. I thought everyone was so smart back then, now I know how remarkably stupid 99% of Jet fans are.
Same here. I signed up in early 2001 or late 2000, can't remember. My first reaction was "Holy excrement, these guys actually know the names of all the players!"
Post by: JFIF on August 11, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
Don't associate me with that Donelly guy. I was nyjetsrule when I got on TGG as like an 8th grader lol
I didn't associate you with him. I associated you with insanity.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 12, 2014, 06:00:07 AM
I didn't associate you with him. I associated you with insanity.
Oh well then that's fine then.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 12, 2014, 06:01:50 AM
Same here. I signed up in early 2001 or late 2000, can't remember. My first reaction was "Holy excrement, these guys actually know the names of all the players!"
Ah yes the good ol' days when Internet forums were young and we were just finding out how it all went together. I was just happy to have jets fans to talk too as there weren't any others from my hick town.
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2014, 06:17:33 AM
Ah yes the good ol' days when Internet forums were young and we were just finding out how it all went together.
Aw, bless. It's cute that you kids think you invented this stuff.
BBS and Usenet groups are older than you.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2014, 06:25:57 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 12, 2014, 07:20:52 AM
Aw, bless. It's cute that you kids think you invented this stuff.
BBS and Usenet groups are older than you.
Big freaking deal, I used to work on the Arpanet.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2014, 07:40:03 AM
Post by: insanity on August 12, 2014, 07:48:15 AM
Ah yes the good ol' days when Internet forums were young and we were just finding out how it all went together. I was just happy to have jets fans to talk too as there weren't any others from my hick town.
Looking back at my posts from 10 years ago is horrifying...
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Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2014, 08:13:36 AM
Looking back at my posts from 10 years ago is horrifying...
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Is that Milliner?
Post by: Miamipuck on August 12, 2014, 08:20:04 AM
Is that Milliner?
Dat McDougal.
Post by: Tommy on August 12, 2014, 08:23:04 AM
Looking back at my posts from 10 years ago is horrifying...
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/60/60879b9dfa4aaf349ee60d14d8e0b5f8fe5a5a883cf5cd23bf55668049df8368.jpg)
A bunch of us from TGG raided the raider forum during the 2001 or 2002 playoffs. They archive all their old posts, so last year I was able to log in and find mine. I remember some of my posts looking like this: "lol the raiders suck... Gannon is old rofl"
Shiver.
Post by: insanity on August 12, 2014, 09:04:36 AM
A bunch of us from TGG raided the raider forum during the 2001 or 2002 playoffs. They archive all their old posts, so last year I was able to log in and find mine. I remember some of my posts looking like this: "lol the raiders suck... Gannon is old rofl"
Shiver.
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Post by: Miamipuck on August 13, 2014, 07:17:07 AM
List of the top defenses, from ESPN Insider, by some idiot from PFF
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1. Seattle Seahawks
After last year's Super Bowl victory, this shouldn't be much of a surprise. But in case you needed a reminder: In Seattle's base defense, all 11 starters -- never mind the guys on the bench -- are solid or above-average players. There are only 20 players in the league who are likely to be bench guys this season that we think would rate as good starters. The Seahawks' defense has two of them in DT Kevin Williams and Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith.
If there is any weakness, it is slot cornerback Jeremy Lane. He was decent in 2013, in allowing an NFL passer rating of 81.1 and defending three passes, but his inexperience showed at times. Still, Lane isn't enough to hold the Legion of Boom back from having the best secondary in the league.
2. Kansas City Chiefs
There are 23 defensive players we consider elite. The only team with more than two is the Chiefs: Dontari Poe at nose tackle, Justin Houston at left outside linebacker and Eric Berry at strong safety. Their strongest unit is their edge rushers; there, Houston pairs with Tamba Hali. Rookie Dee Ford was just added to the mix as well. Hali led all 3-4 outside linebackers in pressures last year, with 77, while Houston's 59 pressures were seventh best, even though he missed the last five games of the regular season.
Kansas City's weakest link is the secondary. Aside from Berry, the Chiefs have mostly average defensive backs.
3. San Francisco 49ers
The 49ers make it this high on the list thanks to an excellent front seven. For the past three years, they've had Ray McDonald and Justin Smith at defensive end, Ahmad Brooks and Aldon Smith at outside linebacker, and Patrick Willis with NaVorro Bowman at inside linebacker. Once Bowman is healthy, those six players will be reunited.
The injury to Glenn Dorsey is potentially a big loss -- Dorsey was quietly impressive at nose tackle the past season -- but the core of an excellent defense remains intact. This should be one of the league's best units again in 2014, even as some key contributors rack up mileage.
4. Denver Broncos
Given last year's Super Bowl performance and the Broncos' less-than-sturdy defensive reputation, it might be surprising to see them rated this high. To make our case: Denver will get Von Miller, who led the league in 2012 with 86 pressures, back this season; they added safety T.J. Ward and pass rusher DeMarcus Ware in free agency; and DB Chris Harris also returns from injury.
This isn't a slam dunk, though, particularly considering how much the Broncos like to rotate their linemen. Their top eight players played between 300 and 800 snaps the past season. While they have some quality players along the line -- particularly Terrance Knighton -- they don't have the depth to always have multiple quality linemen on the field.
5. New England Patriots
The Patriots' defense has been improving over the past few years. This offseason, it only got better. They added arguably the league's best cornerback in Darrelle Revis. He allowed 0.72 yards per coverage snap, which was second best in the league. He is now paired with the league's best safety, Devin McCourty, who led all safeties in passes defended the past season.
They have good starters across the board in the front seven, where they're led by Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo and up-and-coming linebacker Jamie Collins. One caveat: the top four teams on the list have at least one great pass-rusher. The Pats don't have anyone who can reliably wreak havoc on opposing QBs.
6. Buffalo Bills
The Bills' strength is in the interior of their defense. In 2013, three Bills interior linemen had at least 25 run stops. That group is led by Kyle Williams, who also had 69 pressures in '13, a top-five mark for interior linemen. Like the 49ers, Patriots and Seahawks, all 12 of the Bills' starters (crediting nickel corners as starters) have proven to be average NFL starters or better. That can't be said for 28 other NFL teams, though the season-ending injury to Kiko Alonso will hurt.
This season, they add Brandon Spikes, which will make it even more difficult for teams to run up the middle. They could have issues in the secondary, though. After losing Jairus Byrd in free agency, the Bills lack any player who excels in coverage.
7. Carolina Panthers
The defense is led by two outstanding linebackers in Luke Kuechly and Thomas Davis. That pair combined for 51 run stops, six interceptions and six passes defended last year. When their best four players are in, Carolina's defensive line is also quite formidable. They are led by Greg Hardy, who had 39 combined sacks and hits, which was third best for all players not named J.J. Watt or Robert Quinn.
While the defense has as much star power as any team up front, their secondary is a big cause for concern, given that it has lost four of its five best defensive backs.
8. Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins make it into the top fourth of the league due to their star players. Their best player on D is Cameron Wake, who had 71 pressures, fourth most among 4-3 defensive ends, despite missing games and being limited in his playing time for most of the first half of the season. They also have Brent Grimes, one of the league's most underrated corners, who had four interceptions and 14 passes defended last year and did not allow a touchdown in coverage all year. There's great rotational depth at defensive tackle here too.
On the downside, they have a few mediocre starters, and the majority of their depth is inexperienced.
9. New Orleans Saints
Few teams have been able to turn a negative into a positive like the Saints have with their defensive backs. They invested recent high draft picks in Kenny Vaccaro and Stanley Jean-Baptiste while adding free agents Jairus Byrd, Keenan Lewis and Champ Bailey. Another big change for New Orleans was the emergence of Cameron Jordan and Junior Galette as a pass rushing duo. Each had at least 12 sacks, 12 hits and 30 hurries.
Two of the Saints' highest paid players are Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne. Both have played two years for the team at roughly $8 million per, and neither has yet paid dividends.
10. Green Bay Packers
The Packers are another defense that should be much improved in 2014. The defense's best two players, Clay Matthews and slot cornerback Casey Hayward, played only a combined 659 snaps in 2013. Outside of Matthews, the Packers' strength is at cornerback, where they have Tramon Williams and Sam Shields. Those two allowed 57 percent and 50 percent catch rates, respectively, last season; combine them with Hayward and you have one of the league's best secondaries.
Mike Daniels is a force inside who brought pressure on 11.7 percent of his pass rushes in 2013, sixth best for 3-4 defensive ends. While they have added a lot of draft picks and even free agents to the line, the Packers remain short on proven quality there and are waiting for players to step up.
11. Cincinnati Bengals
The Bengals are yet another team that will see their top two players return from injury. Defensive tackle Geno Atkins had 78 pressures in 2012, which was the second most for any defensive tackle in a season since 2007. He was missed dearly this past season. Cincy also gets back Leon Hall, one of the league's best slot corners, who allowed 0.65 yards per coverage snap from the slot. That put him second best in 2012 before he missed time last year as well.
A number of other well-known players are mixed in among the starting lineup. Vontaze Burfict, Carlos Dunlap, Adam Jones and Reggie Nelson will all make a sizable impact. Still, the losses of Michael Johnson, James Harrison and Chris Crocker will hurt them, and there are some players who will need to step up in 2014.
12. Detroit Lions
Like most teams in the middle of the pack, the Detroit defense has some assets mixed with some question marks. While Ndamukong Suh's sack numbers weren't all that high in 2013, it was his best year as a pro. With 72 pressures, he was constantly making life difficult for the quarterback. Their next best player isn't nearly as well known, but middle linebacker Stephen Tulloch had a defensive stop on 11.3 percent of his run plays, which was fifth best for middle and inside linebackers.
The Lions will be relying a lot on recent high draft picks in Ezekiel Ansah, Kyle Van Noy and Darius Slay. If all three live up to expectations, the question for the Lions might be how far in the playoffs they can go, rather than whether they can make the postseason at all.
13. Baltimore Ravens
The Ravens have some aging playmakers on defense, but they have not reached the point where they've stopped making plays. Few teams are two-deep at pass rusher like Baltimore is, with Elvis Dumervil and Terrell Suggs. Both posted double-digit sacks, double-digit hits and double-digit hurries the past season. They also have a few players who are somewhat one-dimensional but very good in their respective specialties.
Haloti Ngata has continued to make things difficult for opposing running backs but wasn't as much of a force against the pass the past season as he has been previously. Daryl Smith excelled on pass plays, regardless of whether he was blitzing or dropping into coverage. Losing Arthur Jones, James Ihedigbo and Corey Graham should hurt unless a number of replacements can step up.
14. Indianapolis Colts
The Colts' ranking is helped out a lot by having Robert Mathis at outside linebacker. At the age of 33, his decline is inevitable. Still, that time has yet to come -- though he will miss the first four games of the season due to suspension.
Former Ravens Cory Redding and Arthur Jones are strong presences inside. Jones has made a run stop on one out of every 10 plays, the fourth best mark for 3-4 defensive ends. The star of their secondary is Vontae Davis, who has only allowed half the passes thrown his way to be caught. Bjoern Werner is the only defensive player on the team to be drafted by the Colts in the first four rounds of the draft, and he didn't have a promising rookie year. Altogether, there is currently very little young talent to build around.
15. New York Jets
The Jets make it this high based completely on the strength of their defensive line. While plenty has been said about Muhammad Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson, and they deserve their due, Damon Harrison had a monstrous season last year on the nose without earning much fanfare. His 36 stops tied for the most among all defensive tackles. In terms of backups, Kenrick Ellis had a run stop on 15 percent of his run snaps, which was the best for all defensive or nose tackles.
The rest of the defense features a significant number of question marks and a hefty dose of questionable talent. Still, it's hard to picture an offensive line that would have much success against this defensive front.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 13, 2014, 10:53:32 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 13, 2014, 11:09:28 AM
New Orleans isn't a top 10 defense
The Broncos
The jets are a better defense then at least 7 of those teams.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 13, 2014, 12:40:06 PM
Jeremy Maclin has been "toasting" Darrelle Revis during 1-on-1 work at this week's joint practices.
To be fair, beat man Jeff McLane admits Revis doesn't appear to be going 100 percent. But it's still notable that Maclin is winning this battle, especially considering he's only 12 months removed from an ACL tear. On Tuesday, Maclin drew three flags on Revis and beat him deep for a touchdown. It was more of the same early in Wednesday's session. Clearly healthy, Maclin has WR2 upside as a key piece of Chip Kelly's plan to replace DeSean Jackson.
Post by: Hemi on August 13, 2014, 12:54:26 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 13, 2014, 01:27:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 13, 2014, 01:44:05 PM
Who is "Darrelle Revis"? He sounds like a money grubbing whore who used to be the best corner in the league, but I'm not sure how that's Jets related...Divisional rival brah
Impacts our playoff race
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2014, 01:46:27 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 13, 2014, 01:48:25 PM
Divisional rival brah
Impacts our playoff race
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Post by: reuben on August 13, 2014, 02:03:18 PM
Hahahah I glommed this from another site. This is probably the single worst list I have seen so far in the preseason:
List of the top defenses, from ESPN Insider, by some idiot from PFF
The Dolphins and the Colts have no business being on this list.
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2014, 02:06:01 PM
The Dolphins and the Colts have no business being on this list.
But but Chuckstrong!
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 09:59:39 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 14, 2014, 10:33:55 AM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
Tommy is going to register Sayuki.
Post by: JFIF on August 14, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 12:02:40 PM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
Scroll up, bitch.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 14, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
Scroll up, bitch.
hahha I thought all our posts were deleted. I thought WTF.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2014, 12:17:24 PM
Scroll up, bitch.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 01:43:27 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 14, 2014, 03:24:52 PM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
"My name's Ikemefuna, but the ladies call me IK."
Post by: NDMick on August 14, 2014, 04:53:24 PM
The 5yr 36mil deal apparently was the cherry on top.
Sure.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 14, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2014, 06:27:07 PM
I'm sure the allure of New York to his country singer wife had nothing to do with it...Well I mean new York probably isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think of country music
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
Well I mean new York probably isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think of country music
They live in New Jersey now anyway.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
They live in New Jersey now anyway.Does she own a sanitation company?
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 07:31:30 PM
Does she own a sanitation company?
She owns a chain of women's gyms called Waist Management.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 14, 2014, 07:48:47 PM
Well I mean new York probably isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think of country music
Git me them Titans on the phone, hon.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Git me them Titans on the phone, hon.Maybe we could trade him for Chris Johnson
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:21:52 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 03:27:39 PM
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/No-Huddle-Willie-Colon-Hits-the-Cafeteria/9071a8a8-f609-40b7-9a2b-393658fe06c2
holy excrement Chris Johnson looks freaking lit lol
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 01:08:12 AM
I think it would be a safe assumption his career is going to have a resurgence
Post by: Tommy on August 16, 2014, 06:10:00 AM
Tebow Jets jersey sighting in Macau.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on August 16, 2014, 06:12:02 AM
Post by: Pope on August 16, 2014, 11:22:08 AM
Sanchez has been impressing quite a bit in PhillyHe also had a classic Sanchez interception for a near pick 6. Threw it directly to the DB after staring down his receiver
I think it would be a safe assumption his career is going to have a resurgence
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
Mangold says the guys refer to Colon and Giacomini as "The Bash Brothers."
I think of them more like this:
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Post by: Miamipuck on August 18, 2014, 02:06:42 PM
Dennis Waszak Jr.
Mangold says the guys refer to Colon and Giacomini as "The Bash Brothers."
I think of them more like this:
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Sorry Wrong quote:
I'm gonna walk down that stinkin' runway, open up this bundle of sticks robe and wiggle my dick at 'em! And do you know why? Because I want you to have a heart-attack and die so we don't have to do this excrement again! You and your freaking fashion shows!
Johnny Upton: They're fuckin' horrible-lookin'.
Johnny Upton: Jesus, what did the old man trade for these assholes, a used puck bag?
- You guys triplets? - No, I'm in the middle.
Steve's 20 and Jeffs 18.
- Where are you from? - Iron League.
- The lron League, huh? A lot of fights? - Nah.
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2014, 08:47:29 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
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Quinton Coples knows exactly what this season means for him and his career.
“I know this is a big year for me,’’ the Jets third-year linebacker said Monday. “I came in as a defensive end and last year I got moved to rush linebacker and with that year of experience under my belt … I’m excited about stepping up and being a leader on this team and being more productive than I have been in the past two years.”
In those two seasons, Coples has produced only 10 sacks and left some observers questioning the drive of his play-to-play motor — a reputation that followed him from college.
In only his third season, Coples’ career is at an early crossroads: production not commensurate with being the 16th overall player picked in the 2012 draft.
But steps that Coples took this offseason suggest he very well might be a different player in 2014.
He lost 20 pounds and he worked privately with former NFL defensive lineman and college and NFL assistant coach Chuck Smith on pass-rush technique in an effort to turn some of his team-leading 50 quarterback hurries into sacks.
Coples reached out to Smith, who played nine years in the NFL and had 58.5 sacks, and worked with him for more than a month.
Aware Coples had faced much criticism for the modest production in his first two seasons, Smith worked with him on his attitude and drive as well as technique in getting off the ball with more explosiveness through digging in his pressure and plant foot.
“The thing we first had to talk to Quinton about is you’ve got to change the way you look at yourself. ‘Don’t let what people say about you define you,’ ’’ Smith told The Post on Monday night. “Quinton has the capability to be 10-sack guy.
This guy has a chance to be dominant. He’s only scratched the surface of what he can be. He’s explosive, he’s powerful, he can line up anywhere on the D-line.
“I expect him to dominate this year — to bludgeon people. He’s got to play like a wild dog now.’’
Coples also has two outside motivating forces that figure to stoke a flame underneath him: This is essentially a contract year for him, with the Jets needing to make a major financial decision in the spring on whether to sign him to a fifth-year option, and the presence of Jason Babin, the veteran who was signed recently to help reinforce the pass-rush linebacker position Coples plays.
In Saturday’s preseason game at Cincinnati, Babin played 31 snaps to 15 for Coples. This, of course, raised eyebrows and speculation about whether Coples’ playing time is in jeopardy.
The convenient company line from Rex Ryan on Monday was Babin got more reps with the first team to help him become more familiar with the defense. Completely understandable. But so, too, is this: You can count on Ryan playing the more productive player.
Babin, in his 11th season, had 7.5 sacks and three forced fumbles for the Jaguars last season — numbers similar to what Coples has done, total, in his two seasons.
Coples, a player with an affable personality that belies the stereotype of the angry footballer, insisted he is not rattled by the presence of Babin or the fact he knows his critics are ready to pounce on him if he does not pounce on more quarterbacks.
Coples said all the work he did in the offseason, trimming down to 265 pounds and honing his pass-rush technique, has been designed to turn some of those quarterback hurries into game-changing plays like sacks.
“I was there, but I wasn’t there,’’ he said. “That’s the reason I lost the weight and worked on my game — to turn those hurries into sacks, to cut that millisecond down from a hurry to a sack.’’
If Coples executes his plan and that production comes to fruition, then the Jets picking up that fifth-year option on him the way they did with defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson last spring [locking him in at $6.9 million for 2015] will be a no-brainer like it was with Wilkerson.
If Coples does not improve, then the $7 million-plus it’ll take to lock him up in that fifth-year option in 2016 will become no option at all and Coples likely will fade away and become another on a lengthy list of high draft picks that didn’t work out.
Post by: Pope on August 19, 2014, 10:36:17 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2014, 11:03:54 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 12:21:48 PM
Exception being if Rex is fired then anything is fair game depending on the new defense and if Coples fits
Post by: Libero_2 on August 19, 2014, 02:29:47 PM
I think Coples still gets the 5th year option even if he's only Mediocre the next 2 seasons
Exception being if Rex is fired then anything is fair game depending on the new defense and if Coples fits
You don't pay an average player 7+ million dollars and as your top pass rusher. If he doesn't step it up this year, I would expect us to not pick up his option, and try and sign him to a long term deal that is reasonably cheap.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 20, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Damon Harrison @BigDame900 7m
�������� See you Friday Mr. Williams…#JetLifeeeeee
Post by: Pope on August 20, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Hahahahah it's on:Who's Mr. Williams
Damon Harrison @BigDame900 7m
�������� See you Friday Mr. Williams…#JetLifeeeeee
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2014, 03:11:18 PM
Edit: here. (http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/giants-rookie-fires-early-shots-in-cross-town-rivalry/)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Post by: NDMick on August 20, 2014, 04:21:28 PM
Andre Williams, the rookie running back at the Giants. Was running his mouth yesterday about the Giants being the proper New York team or some such excrement.
Edit: here. (http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/giants-rookie-fires-early-shots-in-cross-town-rivalry/)
I wonder if local news outlets have a Jets-Giants preseason trashtalk template saved that they can edit the names and the quote of the player. Oh, and the date too. Don't forget to change the 13 to a 14.
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2014, 04:59:34 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
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"You have the running back from Boston College, I see where he's already saying the Giants are the best team in New York and all that kind of stuff. The last time I saw him, he was getting smoked by Clemson."
Post by: MexJetinBcn on August 21, 2014, 11:02:33 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 21, 2014, 11:05:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2014, 11:06:55 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2014, 11:50:14 AM
I don't see the problem with that...
It's one thing players smacktalking between each other, but coaches shouldn't be getting drawn into it - especially before a game.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 21, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
It's one thing players smacktalking between each other, but coaches shouldn't be getting drawn into it - especially before a game.
That was hardly smack talk, he even gave the kid props. I don't want a scared coach.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2014, 12:03:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2014, 12:14:30 PM
That was hardly smack talk, he even gave the kid props. I don't want a scared coach.
I don't think not rising to some rookie running his mouth is a sign of being scared, it's a sign of being professional.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 21, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
I don't think not rising to some rookie running his mouth is a sign of being scared, it's a sign of being professional.
Yeah Snacks said all that needs to be said. Rex should have shut his yapper there.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 21, 2014, 12:34:10 PM
Yeah Snacks said all that needs to be said. Rex should have shut his yapper there.
He was probably asked about it, he has to field questions from the media every day. It's not his way to bite his tongue, he threw a little jab out there. It's not a big deal, that's who Rex is.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2014, 01:03:57 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 21, 2014, 01:30:45 PM
"The last time I saw that one kid from BC play, I decided it'd be a good idea to waste a draft pick on Clemson's QB because my son said he was nice"
I still fail to see why anybody thought drafting Boyd was a good plan. It's not like his play this preseason was anything but easy to predict.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 02:40:10 PM
I don't think not rising to some rookie running his mouth is a sign of being scared, it's a sign of being professional.Well judging by teams who have had moderate success (patriots, Steelers)
Being professional doesn't always mean a whole lot
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
I still fail to see why anybody thought drafting Boyd was a good plan. It's not like his play this preseason was anything but easy to predict.A team that's struggled to get a QB took a flier on a late round QB in a draft where we had an absurd amount of draft picks.
I see no harm in the pick honestly
Post by: Libero_2 on August 21, 2014, 02:47:00 PM
A team that's struggled to get a QB took a flier on a late round QB in a draft where we had an absurd amount of draft picks.
I see no harm in the pick honestly
I don't mind taking a flyer on a QB late, especially with 12 picks at our disposal. But it was pretty obvious to me Boyd was a level behind guys like Mettenberger and McCarron who went a round earlier.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
I don't mind taking a flyer on a QB late, especially with 12 picks at our disposal. But it was pretty obvious to me Boyd was a level behind guys like Mettenberger and McCarron who went a round earlier.Isn't that how the draft works?
Better players usually get drafted before worser ones?
Post by: Libero_2 on August 21, 2014, 03:36:23 PM
Isn't that how the draft works?
Better players usually get drafted before worser ones?
Yes. My point was, I would rather have not drafted George, a guy who is also going to struggle mightily to make the team (and maybe the PS despite the increase in #s) for a better QB prospect.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2014, 12:23:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 22, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
Report: Some Jets coaches disappointed Vick wasn't more "hell-bent" on winning the starting job http://t.co/QfTFHd8nmX
He had no chance to unseat Smith to start the year, and I think he knew it...just like everyone else knew it.
He came here because if Smith struggles, he'll get his shot to play again.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2014, 12:26:23 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 12:26:35 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 22, 2014, 12:31:02 PM
Yeah, but some actual competition wouldn't hurt. Isn't that Idzik's whole mantra?
Vick puts a hell of lot more pressure on Smith than Matt Simms or Tajh Boyd or a one-legged David Garrard.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
Yeah, but some actual competition wouldn't hurt. Isn't that Idzik's whole mantra?
They still haven't officially named a QB. anyone with a brain knows it's a farce, but there's still a semblance of competition.
The only way Vick was going to start week 1 was if Geno bombed and Vick looked significantly better.
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 12:33:22 PM
That's what happens when you don't have a real competition.
Post by: Laxin on August 22, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Report: Some Jets coaches disappointed Vick wasn't more "hell-bent" on winning the starting job http://t.co/QfTFHd8nmX
The media is still butt hurt that there wasnt an actual competition that they could write up a story about daily, huh?
Yet another non-story.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2014, 01:56:40 PM
I don't think Rex believes he was being coy saying he hasn't chosen a starter all this time. I think the plan was to sincerely have Vick push for the job and make it a legitimate competition. Vick just never pursued it, likely figuring that the hope from those guys was that Geno would beat him fair-and-square, and choosing to not risk anything by fighting for the job.
Post by: Laxin on August 22, 2014, 03:16:52 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2014, 03:20:32 PM
And knew whoever won the starting job would lose it by week 6 or 7
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
The same story could probably have the headline "Vick embraces role as mentor to Geno Smith"... But thats just not how the media works.
Manish: "Vick embraces Geno. Are they gay?"
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
I think that's the problem. Vick (along with the media and general fanbase) perceived no competition. I think competition was intended by, at the very least, Rex, Marty, and Idzik.
I don't think Rex believes he was being coy saying he hasn't chosen a starter all this time. I think the plan was to sincerely have Vick push for the job and make it a legitimate competition. Vick just never pursued it, likely figuring that the hope from those guys was that Geno would beat him fair-and-square, and choosing to not risk anything by fighting for the job.
If only they had a QB on the roster who was willing to fight fiercely for the starting job. Someone who knew it was their last chance to salvage their career.
But who knows where they could have found one of those.
Post by: klaximilian on August 22, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
The same story could probably have the headline "Vick embraces role as mentor to Geno Smith"... But thats just not how the media works.
The NY media sucks. For a professional football player in the NY market, specifically the 2nd-rate Jets, it doesn't get much worse than having to deal with these excrement heads on a daily basis.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2014, 04:15:03 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/22/vick-was-told-from-the-get-go-he-wouldnt-be-the-starter/I wouldn't be surprised if they planned on throwing Geno under the bus after the rough start of the season, although I'd imagine that if that was the plan, they'd have given him more snaps with the starters
Post by: Nessticle on August 22, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
It is a little strange to me how Vick and the whole organization have handled the situation. It seems weird to downplay competition. I guess it's an attempt to avoid any kind of circus atmosphere? I don't really understanding what's going on. Where is the benefit for Vick to keep saying it isn't a real competition and Geno is the starter? It feels like there are competing agendas but I can't wrap my head around it. Ah well... hopefully Geno makes big strides this year and it's all a moot point.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 22, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
I actually expected Vick to become the starting QB after we signed him. I figured they would have a competition during training camp and maybe into the preseason, then put Vick out there week 1. Maybe Geno is progressing nicely... I'm not there to have any real insight.
It is a little strange to me how Vick and the whole organization have handled the situation. It seems weird to downplay competition. I guess it's an attempt to avoid any kind of circus atmosphere? I don't really understanding what's going on. Where is the benefit for Vick to keep saying it isn't a real competition and Geno is the starter? It feels like there are competing agendas but I can't wrap my head around it. Ah well... hopefully Geno makes big strides this year and it's all a moot point.
It's not that complicated. The organization wants everyone including Smith to believe it is/was a real competition. Vick wasn't towing the company line and just was telling the truth the whole time.
Post by: Nessticle on August 22, 2014, 06:57:22 PM
It's not that complicated. The organization wants everyone including Smith to believe it is/was a real competition. Vick wasn't towing the company line and just was telling the truth the whole time.
But how does he know it wasn't a real competition, and how does it serve him to go against what he thinks 'his' team wants (maybe to protect his ego so he didn't actually 'lose' a real competition)? And why would the Jet's tell him it's not a real competition if their goal is for everyone to think it is a real competition? And why not just have it be a real competition in the first place??
Maybe it's simple for you, but I sure as hell don't get it.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 22, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
But how does he know it wasn't a real competition, and how does it serve him to go against what he thinks 'his' team wants (maybe to protect his ego so he didn't actually 'lose' a real competition)? And why would the Jet's tell him it's not a real competition if their goal is for everyone to think it is a real competition? And why not just have it be a real competition in the first place??
Maybe it's simple for you, but I sure as hell don't get it.
The jets wanted to prop Geno up that's why. Vick just wanted to be honest, and I think it was pretty plain from the beginning Geno was the guy everybody on the staff wanted to win. They might not have told Vick, but it wouldn't have been hard to figure it out, once he did he probably stopped trying to pretend he had a shot unless Geno completely excrement the bed this preseason.
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: Badger on August 26, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
Rex Ryan on today's heat: "Like this weather. I hope this thing holds out for the Raiders. Put them in those black jerseys at one o’clock."
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2014, 06:27:34 AM
Post by: Badger on August 27, 2014, 06:38:34 AM
They wear white jerseys on the road.
If the Jets wear all white can they force the Raiders to wear black?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2014, 06:42:56 AM
If the Jets wear all white can they force the Raiders to wear black?Racist....
Post by: Badger on August 27, 2014, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2014, 07:40:28 PM
Post by: Koz on August 27, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10419035_838888779464306_4373251350602540367_n.jpg?oh=872cdc99262302dec500cc24bedc0dc4&oe=547FA245&__gda__=1416490237_e64545ff9000c102dbc745bfd8ba129b)is that Giocamini?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2014, 09:01:28 PM
is that Giocamini?Looks like a fat Tommy with 3 black caterpillars on his face.
Post by: Tommy on August 27, 2014, 09:22:20 PM
Looks like a fat Tommy with 3 black caterpillars on his face.
Hahahhaha
Post by: Badger on August 27, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
is that Giocamini?
Might be Aboushi.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 28, 2014, 10:46:50 AM
If the Jets wear all white can they force the Raiders to wear black?
Yes. Since Rex has been here the Jets have worn white for the home opener, with the exception of the Dallas game in 2011 which was a night game. Baltimore in 2010 was also a night game but we again wore all white. My guess is they will do it again this time.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2014-new-york-jets-1627942862
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 28, 2014, 08:40:02 PM
Post by: Laxin on August 28, 2014, 10:31:30 PM
Well, it's here.
http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2014-new-york-jets-1627942862
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Stephen Hill couldn't catch gonorrhea in a sanitarium full of infected nymphomaniacs.
Post by: reuben on August 30, 2014, 09:48:32 PM
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The New York Daily News believes the Jets could have interest in trading for Texans CB Johnathan Joseph.
The Jets are desperate for corner depth with Dee Milliner (ankle) sidelined, leaving Darrin Walls and Antonio Allen to start in base sets. Joseph missed the entire preseason recovering from toe surgery, but is expected to be ready for Week 1. His $11.25 million cap number makes any trade unlikely.
Post by: Tommy on August 30, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
Post by: hawk on August 30, 2014, 10:00:19 PM
$11 million? Pah. Chump change for us.
It would only cost the trading team $7.5 Million non-guaranteed.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 30, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
Im sorry but this would be freaking retarded
Champ Bailey on a vet min deal with incentives would be 1000000x more appealing than trading for Joseph and his 8million$ cap hit
Post by: dcm1602 on August 30, 2014, 10:14:40 PM
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Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
Expect Jets to scour wire & explore/inquire about possible trades for CBs. Intriguing name to keep an eye on: Texans' Johnathan Joseph #nyj
Oh and this
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Manish Mehta
From Texans beat reporter RT @taniaganguli If Jets are interested in Joseph, I'd be very surprised if #Texans had interest in trading him
9:54PM EDT
So not sure how that leads to rotoworld saying ZOMG JETS CUD TRADE FOR JJ
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2014, 08:51:33 AM
Post by: Tommy on August 31, 2014, 09:13:43 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2014, 09:25:36 AM
Post by: Laxin on August 31, 2014, 10:36:09 AM
Some (all) of these are pretty terrible... I know a lot of people didnt like "Fireman Ed", but I liked what he added to the game, and the environment hasnt been the same since. I went to a Seahawks preseason game at the Link and they had more fans and were twice as loud in a 4th quarter of a preseason game than opening day at MetLife last year. The environment at the game does have to change, but putting these scrubs up on the jumbotron is not the way to do it.
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2014, 10:42:40 AM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/J-E-T-S-Chant-Leaders-Have-Been-Chosen/99067a96-8fed-4615-a3ff-9a33635e52f0
Some (all) of these are pretty terrible... I know a lot of people didnt like "Fireman Ed", but I liked what he added to the game, and the environment hasnt been the same since. I went to a Seahawks preseason game at the Link and they had more fans and were twice as loud in a 4th quarter of a preseason game than opening day at MetLife last year. The environment at the game does have to change, but putting these scrubs up on the jumbotron is not the way to do it.
Bingo. We don't need a leader, we just need everyone to step their noise game up.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 10:52:22 AM
If you have to have a vote for it, are you really a leader?I believe it's called democracy
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 10:53:54 AM
Bingo. We don't need a leader, we just need everyone to step their noise game up.All they need is to cut the price of beer
And the noise will follow
Post by: Laxin on August 31, 2014, 11:29:31 AM
All they need is to cut the price of beer
And the noise will follow
I support this.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 11:59:51 AM
As expected, #Jets are signing S Rontez Miles to the practice squad.
12:50PM EDT
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:09:38 PM
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Between Barnes and Tevita Finau Id wager this will be Ellis's last season as a Jet
Have to wonder though. How much of the insane success that the Jets have had acquiring and developing talent/depth on the DL is because of Rex or/And Dunbar vs how much is luck.
And how much it would change if we decided to replace either Rex or Dunbar.
Because weve just been feasting
(and yes I know neither of these guys have done anything to suggests theyre part of a long term answer here, hell neither have even been on the active roster yet. But were clearly developing talent for the DL better than anywhere else on this team. And I dont think anyone would disagree that the depth through and through is better on the DL than anywhere else on the team by far)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 31, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
QB Matt Simms cleared waivers, I'm told. #nyj
1:15PM EDT
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2014, 12:26:21 PM
Seth WalderThe dynasty continues....
QB Matt Simms cleared waivers, I'm told. #nyj
1:15PM EDT
Post by: reuben on August 31, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
But were clearly developing talent for the DL better than anywhere else on this team. And I dont think anyone would disagree that the depth through and through is better on the DL than anywhere else on the team by far)
It's almost like drafting a defensive lineman in the first round three straight seasons has actually improved the defensive line.
Post by: reuben on August 31, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
Jets claimed CB Leon McFadden off waivers from the Browns.
There ya go. I wonder who takes a hike in his place.
Post by: casman02 on August 31, 2014, 12:27:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:30:02 PM
It's almost like drafting a defensive lineman in the first round three straight seasons has actually improved the defensive line.
Coples isnt playing on the DL
And coaching Ellis up plus developing these UDFA guys is whats really impressing.
Yeah the talent from Wilk/Richardson in the first is there, but the DL talent and development is top to bottom
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2014, 12:31:38 PM
So will there be 2 QBs on the PS or is Boyd going bye bye
hes an Idzik draft pick and rex's favorite, if Boyd isn't on the PS i'll be shocked.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:32:12 PM
So will there be 2 QBs on the PS or is Boyd going bye bye
Im sure that will depend on who/what else we can find available
but I cant imagine us keeping 2 QBs on the PS honestly, although Idzik seems reluctant to give up on draft picks. But if Boyd was truly "Rex's" pick, then I could see him dumping him
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2014, 12:33:39 PM
hes an Idzik draft pick and rex's favorite, if Boyd isn't on the PS i'll be shocked.I'll take the other side and say no. He was putrid. I just don't know I'd they think he has any hope of developing. What upside does he have over Simms? They are both young.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2014, 12:35:35 PM
Im sure that will depend on who/what else we can find available
but I cant imagine us keeping 2 QBs on the PS honestly, although Idzik seems reluctant to give up on draft picks. But if Boyd was truly "Rex's" pick, then I could see him dumping him
Don't forget 2 extra slots on the PS this year.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
Jets claimed CB Leon McFadden off waivers from the Browns.
This can't be the only guy we claimed.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:40:43 PM
Don't forget 2 extra slots on the PS this year.
Yeah but why keep 2 qbs ?
Thats stupid
We already have Miles, Simms, Finau. I imagine at least two corners end up on there, maybe Pantale.
Those spots go fast, and are pretty valuable
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
This can't be the only guy we claimed.
Waivers are still trickling, cant imagine all the transactions immediately becoming known
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
This can't be the only guy we claimed.Might be. I'm willing to bet we keep at least 7 of the guys we cut yesterday.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:43:15 PM
Might be. I'm willing to bet we keep at least 7 of the guys we cut yesterday.
Keep at least 7 that we cut ?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2014, 12:48:51 PM
Keep at least 7 that we cut ?Yep. Simms, Finau, Richardson or Green, Hyder, Miles, Troy Davis, Pantale, Campbell, Dixon are all possibilities to come back. Maybe even Qvale.
The one advantage they all have is having gone through our training camp and the playbook.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 12:53:48 PM
Yep. Simms, Finau, Richardson or Green, Hyder, Miles, Troy Davis, Pantale, Campbell, Dixon are all possibilities to come back. Maybe even Qvale.
The one advantage they all have is having gone through our training camp and the playbook.
Oh youre talking about practice squad ?
Though you meant active roster
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
Might be. I'm willing to bet we keep at least 7 of the guys we cut yesterday.
We claimed mcfadden for the active roster, not the PS. thats what I am waiting for.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2014, 12:59:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2014, 01:11:29 PM
Adam Caplan: Stephen Hill did pass through waivers unclaimed. Due to the new rules, I believe Hill can be signed to a practice squad.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 01:12:33 PM
Apparently Stephen Hill can be signed to a practice squad. We should sign him back to be assholes.
That would be hysterical after all the excrement from is agent.
Although I think its a safe bet that he gets claimed somewhere
Post by: casman02 on August 31, 2014, 03:35:06 PM
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#1 BrandonDixon
@BDixs1
Tampa bay bucs! here I come
Guess he wont be on our PS
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2014, 03:37:13 PM
Guess he wont be on our PS
Out of all the guys id be worried about losing, he certainly wasnt one of them.
Post by: casman02 on August 31, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
Out of all the guys id be worried about losing, he certainly wasnt one of them.
I don't know about that. I do not think it is a huge loss or anything, but I think I would have preferred him on the PS more than any other player currently signed there. He looked awful in the preseason, but coming out of D2 that was not a total shocker. He has decent measurables and I would have liked to see him after a year adjustment to the league.
That said...meh
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2014, 09:46:38 AM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Film-Review-%C2%A0Quinton-Coples/a820fe4b-49c6-46a3-b807-0f5042179910
A chunk of fluff and filler, but some good stuff in there as well
Post by: Cane on September 01, 2014, 10:14:42 AM
Dunbar breaks down some of Cople's technique and what not
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Film-Review-%C2%A0Quinton-Coples/a820fe4b-49c6-46a3-b807-0f5042179910
A chunk of fluff and filler, but some good stuff in there as well
tl;dw
"So Quentin, here you did a good job of being lazy and letting Sheldon make a play."
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2014, 02:03:37 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 01, 2014, 02:25:46 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2014, 02:35:38 PM
According to Cimini, McFadden was the most penalized DB in the preseason. So there's thatWell he played a ton of snaps more than most corners, and refs are calling these penalties (hopefully) at a greater frequency since it's preseason and it's a new rule change.
Not to mention he's probably gonna be like #5 on our depth chart
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2014, 05:37:05 PM
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Manish Mehta
Jets released LB Jeremiah George to make room for WR Walt Powell. Idzik has cut 4 of his 10 healthy draft picks. Other two are on IR #nyj
6:22PM EDT
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2014, 05:41:48 PM
Practice Squad?
Probably
Idzik is leaving those extra slots open for a reason
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2014, 05:43:01 PM
Probably
Idzik is leaving those extra slots open for a reason
Seem a little light at LB/special teams though.
Id bet we cut one of these corners soon and bring back Edds or Troy Davis
Post by: Libero_2 on September 01, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
Practice Squad?
That would make 10. We were at 7 yesterday, Lequan Lewis today makes 8 and assuming Enunwa and George clear waivers they would make 10.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 01, 2014, 06:40:15 PM
Seem a little light at LB/special teams though.
Id bet we cut one of these corners soon and bring back Edds or Troy Davis
George wasnt striking me as a positive ST guy, that was where Reilly came in.
Post by: Johnny English on September 02, 2014, 08:59:44 AM
Evan Silva @evansilva 2m
#Jets CBs Walls & Allen big w/ long arms. Lack experience but the D's effectiveness will be dictated up front. Oh, and Rex is a great coach.
Post by: Tommy on September 02, 2014, 09:00:49 AM
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2014, 09:00:50 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 02, 2014, 04:23:25 PM
LB Jeremiah George cleared waivers and has signed with the Jets practice squad, I'm told. #nyj
I'm assuming Enunwa will be soon to follow.
Post by: Tommy on September 02, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
I bought Madden the other day and cut and signed a bunch of people based solely on their overall rating. That's how you build a fuckn' championship team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 03, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
As much as I don't like to defend the media...Stephen, you may want to take a look at some film. There is only one person to blame for your exit.
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2014, 02:48:25 PM
It's only moderately related to the Jets at this point, but apparently, Stephen Hill is accusing the NY media of making the story of his drops overblown to get him out of town.
As much as I don't like to defend the media...Stephen, you may want to take a look at some film. There is only one person to blame for your exit.
He did nothing to help himself this preseason but the media had already written his exit story in early 2013. It was annoying.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 03, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 04, 2014, 05:26:44 PM
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Speaking Thursday, Cowboys DC Rod Marinelli offered a tepid endorsement of RCB Morris Claiborne.
"Well, he’s there," Marinelli said. "He’s our starting corner. That’s the confidence. He’s gotta go do it." It's clear Claiborne is on a short leash, and could be sent back to the bench upon slot CB Orlando Scandrick's (suspension) return. Claiborne is in danger of becoming one of the biggest draft busts in recent memory.
Id imagine that theres a legitimate shot the Jets either trade for him this season, or in the off-season.
Seems like such a perfect match.
This was a guy drafted by Rob Ryan, who has massive potential. Hes under contract for relatively cheap (2.6 mil next year) and trading for him would land us the "option" to use the 5th year rookie option on him as well.
I know its been discussed before, but it seems more likely that he will be off Dallas soon.
Id think New Orleans is a legit landing spot as well, though teams usually trade out of their conference
Post by: bojanglesman on September 04, 2014, 05:30:41 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 04, 2014, 05:38:02 PM
What are we going to do with him that they haven't?
Win?
Post by: Libero_2 on September 04, 2014, 06:25:13 PM
If he gets cut I can see it, or if they want a used tampon (a conditional 7th rounder in 2018) for him fine, but lets be real here.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 04, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
I see no reason to trade assets for Claiborne. If he can't be useful in Dallas, why would he suddenly be good enough here to be worth a draft pick and 2.6 million dollars?Dallas has other options, our secondary not so much
If he gets cut I can see it, or if they want a used tampon (a conditional 7th rounder in 2018) for him fine, but lets be real here.
And we wouldn't be giving up the house for him. I'd imagine if they give up on him at this point, his value could very well be down to a 4th or 5th.
I think anyone here wouldn't mind a flier on him for that. Especially with our number two corner spot wide open
Post by: Libero_2 on September 04, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
Dallas has other options, our secondary not so much
And we wouldn't be giving up the house for him. I'd imagine if they give up on him at this point, his value could very well be down to a 4th or 5th.
I think anyone here wouldn't mind a flier on him for that. Especially with our number two corner spot wide open
I think you'd be wrong there. Claiborne has basically been slightly less useless than Stephen Hill was for us. We couldn't trade Hill for anything (he couldn't even get on somebody's 53). Claiborne isn't worth giving up assets for unless his play picks up considerably, and if his play picks up Dallas won't give him up.
Could we do it? Possibly, we are going to be extremely desperate if Milliner isn't very good when he gets back, or if we suffer another injury out there. But I wouldn't count on it.
Post by: Cane on September 04, 2014, 07:13:38 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 04, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
I think you'd be wrong there. Claiborne has basically been slightly less useless than Stephen Hill was for us. We couldn't trade Hill for anything (he couldn't even get on somebody's 53). Claiborne isn't worth giving up assets for unless his play picks up considerably, and if his play picks up Dallas won't give him up.Dallas had one of the worst run defenses in the league, allowing the 3rd most ypc
Could we do it? Possibly, we are going to be extremely desperate if Milliner isn't very good when he gets back, or if we suffer another injury out there. But I wouldn't count on it.
And having a weak run defense opens up the passing game, making being a corner a freak ton harder
Post by: Libero_2 on September 04, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
Dallas had one of the worst run defenses in the league, allowing the 3rd most ypc
And having a weak run defense opens up the passing game, making being a corner a freak ton harder
No disagreement, but based on what he has accomplished regardless of circumstances, I don't think people here would be on board with trading a 4th or 5th for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 04, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
No disagreement, but based on what he has accomplished regardless of circumstances, I don't think people here would be on board with trading a 4th or 5th for him.
Hes played two sesasons.
Milliner wasnt exactly impressive as a rookie (partly because of injuries). This seasons yet to happen, but the injuries are there.
Claireborne has had issues with injuries as well, and has played on one of the worst defenses in the league (with two different DCs)
Lets also consider what recent 4th/5th round picks have gotten us
Saunders
Evans
Dozier
George
Aboushi
Ivory (almost wrote Lynch)
Tebow
Kerley
I appreciate and understand the value of draft picks. But youre on crack if you wouldnt rather have Claireborn than at least half the guys on that list
Post by: Tommy on September 04, 2014, 08:01:23 PM
Post by: Pope on September 04, 2014, 09:12:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 04, 2014, 09:15:25 PM
Dallas is poised to have a historically bad defense. If Claiborne can't help them I'm not sure he will be of much benefit here, especially at the expense of a draft pick.
They are awful, but somehow at least one and possibly two teams in their division are contriving to be as bad or worse.
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2014, 09:45:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 04, 2014, 11:11:45 PM
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy confirmed that RB Eddie Lacy suffered a concussion. He doesn’t play for 10 days.
Post by: klaximilian on September 05, 2014, 12:15:38 AM
Hes played two sesasons.
Milliner wasnt exactly impressive as a rookie (partly because of injuries). This seasons yet to happen, but the injuries are there.
Claireborne has had issues with injuries as well, and has played on one of the worst defenses in the league (with two different DCs)
Lets also consider what recent 4th/5th round picks have gotten us
Saunders
Evans
Dozier
George
Aboushi
Ivory (almost wrote Lynch)
Tebow
Kerley
I appreciate and understand the value of draft picks. But youre on crack if you wouldnt rather have Claireborn than at least half the guys on that list
Half of that list hasn't even played a down in the NFL.
Two of the other four I'd absolutely take over him.
One is questionable.
The last is a freak no, and we all know who that is.
STFU.
Post by: Laxin on September 05, 2014, 12:52:47 PM
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/050/218/0f8178dfea896569461b4fec2777481d_crop_north.jpg?w=759&h=506&q=75)
The Jets are the only NFL team without a majority of a single county's fan base...
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 01:22:55 PM
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/050/218/0f8178dfea896569461b4fec2777481d_crop_north.jpg?w=759&h=506&q=75)
The Jets are the only NFL team without a majority of a single county's fan base...
Maybe if we didn't abandon Queens/Nassau...
(We had Nassau in last year's map)
Post by: Tommy on September 05, 2014, 02:02:44 PM
Post by: Pope on September 05, 2014, 02:08:58 PM
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 02:10:38 PM
That can't be right. How is Long Island not majority jets fans?
They've been playing New Jersey for 30 years (and practicing there for 6?). It's only natural that our share would decline.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 05, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 05, 2014, 02:21:14 PM
anyone upset about this? it actually kinda made me happy.
Same here, who really gives a freak about this?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 05, 2014, 02:25:49 PM
Same here, who really gives a freak about this?
Patriots/Giants/Cowboys fans. the people I hate most in life.
"We have da worlds greatest fans!!!1!"
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 02:32:47 PM
Post by: klaximilian on September 05, 2014, 02:39:42 PM
Same here, who really gives a freak about this?
Silicon Valley is filled with Niner fans? Say it ain't so!!
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2014, 02:54:20 PM
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 02:55:06 PM
It's bleacher report
It's not even bleacher report, they're just posting work made by someone else.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 05, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
Silicon Valley is filled with Niner fans? Say it ain't so!!
I am with you I am near the sea of downs syndrome with the fin fans.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 05, 2014, 03:00:36 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
Thaaaat's stupid. Measuring fandom by people clicking the like button on Facebook? Stupid.I measure how popular a person is by how many friends they have on Facebook tho
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Thaaaat's stupid. Measuring fandom by people clicking the like button on Facebook? Stupid.
Sports polling is highly unscientific, is there a better way to do this? Add a question on the census?
Post by: Tommy on September 05, 2014, 03:14:50 PM
Thaaaat's stupid. Measuring fandom by people clicking the like button on Facebook? Stupid.
To be fair, it's probably the most reliable method. How else? Surveys?
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 03:15:05 PM
To be fair, it's probably the most reliable method. How else? Surveys?
Stop riding my coattails.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2014, 03:42:37 PM
Sports polling is highly unscientific, is there a better way to do this? Add a question on the census?Well if I was trying to do a study on football (a sport for mostly grown men) Facebook isntagram and twitter wouldn't be my top choices.
If you wanted stats on maybe Justin beiber fans, that would be much better options options
Post by: Laxin on September 05, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
Well if I was trying to do a study on football (a sport for mostly grown men) Facebook isntagram and twitter wouldn't be my top choices.
If you wanted stats on maybe Justin beiber fans, that would be much better options options
Are you sure you're not 80 years old?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2014, 03:50:48 PM
Are you sure you're not 80 years old?Not positive.
But maybe I'll get my prostate checked just in case
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 03:52:16 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 05, 2014, 03:57:09 PM
I'm just saying, you talk about Facebook the way old people talked about computers in the '90s.
Well it was first created on a computer from the 90's.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2014, 03:58:05 PM
I'm just saying, you talk about Facebook the way old people talked about computers in the '90s.I'm saying think of the average nfl fan
(judging from commercials targeted during nfl games you'd imagine it's a fat guy in his 40s that eats a lot of Papa Johns)
I don't think that social media exactly comes to mind when thinking of those demographics.
Of course I'm still surprised anytime I see someone over 40 who knows how to use a smartphone
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2014, 04:07:11 PM
I'm saying think of the average nfl fan
(judging from commercials targeted during nfl games you'd imagine it's a fat guy in his 40s that eats a lot of Papa Johns)
I don't think that social media exactly comes to mind when thinking of those demographics.
Of course I'm still surprised anytime I see someone over 40 who knows how to use a smartphone
It is probably light on the 50+ demo but it absolutely encapsulates the much more important 18-49 demo.
But given that the Giants fanbase skews older than ours, getting the old votes probably wouldn't have made the map look any different.
Post by: Johnny English on September 05, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
It is probably light on the 50+ demo but it absolutely encapsulates the much more important 18-49 demo.
But given that the Giants fanbase skews older than ours, getting the old votes probably wouldn't have made the map look any different.
I suspect that socioeconomics are a factor; the Giants fanbase is, I think, probably more skewed towards ABC1 (at least that's what common wisdom would have us believe) and therefore one would expect a proportionately greater online presence for them than the Jets.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2014, 05:36:31 PM
I suspect that socioeconomics are a factor; the Giants fanbase is, I think, probably more skewed towards ABC1 (at least that's what common wisdom would have us believe) and therefore one would expect a proportionately greater online presence for them than the Jets.Or maybe Giants fans are just lazy jerkoffs who are unemployed or dicking around at work not doing their jobs, and have time to do faggoty derriere Facebook surveys
Post by: Tommy on September 06, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2014, 04:38:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2014, 04:52:21 PM
@DWAZ73: Browns released CB Aaron Berry. #Jets were high on him before he injured knee last summer in training camp.I'd gladly take him over that other bum corner we signed (not McFadden the other one)
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2014, 09:56:42 PM
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The New York Jets worked out several free agents Tuesday, including two veteran guards -- Doug Legursky (most recently of the Buffalo Bills) and Jeff Baca (Minnesota Vikings).
Legursky, a five-year vet, started 11 games last season for the Bills. Baca was a sixth-round pick of the Vikings in 2013.
The Jets are solid at guard with starters Willie Colon and Brian Winters. The backups are Oday Aboushi and rookie Dakota Dozier, neither of whom has played in an NFL game. Chances are, the Jets are formulating a short list of options in the event of an injury.
They also auditioned punters and a long snapper, none of whom have regular-season experience.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/42858/jets-work-out-two-veteran-guards
Post by: Laxin on September 09, 2014, 10:07:43 PM
Post by: Pope on September 09, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 10, 2014, 04:51:32 AM
Our biggest weakness is Colon's attraction to freaking penalties
That's definitely on the short list.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2014, 08:57:01 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 10, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
@BrianCoz Jets get an encouraging sign with Milliner practicing #nyj
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 10, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
@BrianCoz Dee Milliner practiced on a limited basis. "cautiously optimistic" Rex said of Milliner playing. #nyj
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Rex said Milliner did "quite a bit" and rotated in on team drills. #nyj
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Rex said he wouldn't expect Milliner to play every snap if he does play. #nyj
Also, this one made me laugh:
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Rex: "I'd like to see us play Delbarton." when asked about the challenge for Allen this week. #nyj
Post by: hawk on September 11, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
George Panos @George_Panos 5m
nyjetsfansonly's photo http://i.instagram.com/p/s1BpkmSxnR/ #NYJ
Post by: Tommy on September 11, 2014, 09:40:13 PM
This would make an great poster.
George Panos @George_Panos 5m
nyjetsfansonly's photo http://i.instagram.com/p/s1BpkmSxnR/ #NYJ
Poor timing, being 911 and all. At first I thought that was supposed to be ground zero.
Post by: hawk on September 11, 2014, 09:56:54 PM
Poor timing, being 911 and all. At first I thought that was supposed to be ground zero.
True.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2014, 11:44:57 PM
Jetsbros 4 lyfe
Post by: Libero_2 on September 14, 2014, 05:53:01 AM
https://twitter.com/CRO31/status/510826134540681216
Jetsbros 4 lyfe
Shows a reminder of the business side of things. Cro clearly enjoyed his time here and the guys on the roster. He is one of those guys from a person (not a play) standpoint you would have like him to get the chance to retire here.
Since he reached out to walls, nice to know he has faith in our guys.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
Shows a reminder of the business side of things. Cro clearly enjoyed his time here and the guys on the roster. He is one of those guys from a person (not a play) standpoint you would have like him to get the chance to retire here.Well he is a free agent after this season
Since he reached out to walls, nice to know he has faith in our guys.
Disappointed we don't have him this year, but maybe next year for a cheap contract (assuming Arizona doesn't resign him)
I'm not trying to go all JE here, but giving Patterson money that we should have given Cromartie was easily Idzik's biggest mistake as GM.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 16, 2014, 04:57:23 PM
@BrianCoz Jets worked out LBs Pat Angerer, Desmond Bishop and WRs Tiquan Underwood and David Gettis and QB Pat Devlin, per source. #nyj
5:50 PM - 16 Sep 2014
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2014, 06:37:09 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2014, 07:44:28 PM
Angerer and Bishop were both tackling machines for a while
Which is why it's weird we hosted those guys as opposed to guys with a serious ST rep. It's not like we'd sign either guy to take Harris or Davis places on the field. I do Locke we are looking at WRs given there's a chance Decker will be out awhile, but those guys may not even be as good as Salad.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2014, 07:45:44 PM
Which is why it's weird we hosted those guys as opposed to guys with a serious ST rep. It's not like we'd sign either guy to take Harris or Davis places on the field. I do Locke we are looking at WRs given there's a chance Decker will be out awhile, but those guys may not even be as good as Salad.Well if it wasn't for his bundle of sticks agent we'd almost certainly be signing Hill off the Panthers practice squad
Post by: Libero_2 on September 17, 2014, 05:11:13 AM
Well if it wasn't for his bundle of sticks agent we'd almost certainly be signing Hill off the Panthers practice squad
Possibly. But I'm pretty sure Hill burned the bridge as well. There is a reason a guy with 40 career catches and his size/speed/age combo isn't on a roster somewhere, and it basically has to be his attitude.
Post by: Ornstein on September 17, 2014, 07:38:02 AM
Possibly. But I'm pretty sure Hill burned the bridge as well. There is a reason a guy with 40 career catches and his size/speed/age combo isn't on a roster somewhere, and it basically has to be his attitude.
Or he just freaking sucks.
Post by: Tommy on September 17, 2014, 07:46:02 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2014, 11:02:45 AM
I think some of us have this fear that Hill will somehow resurrect his career and finally achieve his full potential.Lol no
Sanchez on the other hand, has a legitimate shot to be a viable starter.
Especially if foles goes down
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 17, 2014, 01:59:58 PM
@BrianCoz Eric Decker (hamstring) is stretching but has no helmet. Looks like he won't practice #nyj
2:52 PM - 17 Sep 2014
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 17, 2014, 02:06:10 PM
@BrianCoz Decker and Milliner both in trainers area as practice starts #nyj
3:01 PM - 17 Sep 2014
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Cumberland, Bellore and Edds also in trainers area #nyj
3:02 PM - 17 Sep 2014
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 17, 2014, 04:09:09 PM
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Decker and Milliner both in trainers area as practice starts #nyj
3:01 PM - 17 Sep 2014
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Cumberland, Bellore and Edds also in trainers area #nyj
3:02 PM - 17 Sep 2014
I don't think I've seen a single practice report this year that didn't have Cumberland and/or Bellore in the trainers area. I think Bellore has a seat with his name on it there.
Post by: ons on September 18, 2014, 03:28:43 PM
Always good to see our draft picks doing well for themselves.
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bucc0qFIMAIRlgb.jpg:large)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 18, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2014, 04:30:09 PM
I think the Player ranking is a bit harsh on the Jets, and for that matter on my Senators as well.
Post by: Jetaho on September 19, 2014, 06:13:39 PM
Post by: Tommy on September 19, 2014, 08:39:26 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 20, 2014, 09:54:18 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 20, 2014, 10:06:06 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 20, 2014, 10:08:17 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2014, 10:12:33 AM
And the Ravens are the 7th most likable team in the NFL (player likability) despite a wife beater as the public face.
Hey, she wasn't his wife at the time of the beating, so it's OK.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2014, 11:36:20 AM
Cimini referring to whether Milliner will be healthy to cover Calvin Johnson
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@RichCimini: Dude, that game is only eight days away, so there's no chance Dee Milliner will be healthy. Come to think of it, he might be in worse shape, considering the news that broke Friday out of Jets camp. He has developed tightness in his quadriceps, forcing him to miss Friday's practice. So now he has a tight quad and a bum ankle. Based on his early track record, and his career at Alabama, Milliner could be one those guys who's always nicked up.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 20, 2014, 05:26:32 PM
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2014, 02:19:20 PM
Apparently we have the most average punter in the league.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByOmRsICMAAO49C.png:large)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 23, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 23, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 23, 2014, 03:04:35 PM
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2014, 03:08:13 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 23, 2014, 04:30:44 PM
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2014, 04:38:08 PM
So by that graphic, Dallas' punter is best in the league (not accounting for downing punts in the 20)
Look further up and to the right.
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2014, 05:13:38 PM
Second time the Jets have released Ellis Lankster, who played 17 snaps on special teams last night. #nyj
Lankster is our new Patrick Turner.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 23, 2014, 05:45:31 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 16m
Second time the Jets have released Ellis Lankster, who played 17 snaps on special teams last night. #nyj
Lankster is our new Patrick Turner.
Any chance we actually signed somebody to go with this corresponding drop transaction?
Post by: Pope on September 23, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Any chance we actually signed somebody to go with this corresponding drop transaction?Hopefully a hit man to murder the referees
Post by: dcm1602 on September 23, 2014, 08:13:03 PM
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The Cowboys have replaced Morris Claiborne with Orlando Scandrick as the starting corner opposite Brandon Carr.
After learning of his demotion, Claiborne "stormed out of the facility" and skipped the Cowboys' walkthrough practice on Tuesday. The former No. 6 overall pick has nobody to blame but himself. He's flat-out terrible, and has been his entire three-year career. Jerry Jones even said Claiborne hasn't been worth the draft investment. Claiborne's demotion is disappointing for fantasy owners. He was an easy target for any receiver lining up opposite him.
Related: Orlando S
Though I cant imagine it being particularly promising trading for one of the worst corners in the league. Although hed certainly be a good fit for our secondary
Post by: Jumbo on September 23, 2014, 08:29:28 PM
Rotoworld is horrible anyway
Post by: dcm1602 on September 23, 2014, 08:34:02 PM
Well I think as the trade deadline nears we might see some legit rumors for the Jets to offer something for him
Though I cant imagine it being particularly promising trading for one of the worst corners in the league. Although hed certainly be a good fit for our secondary
6 minutes later
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Rich Cimini
Should Jets try to trade for him? RT “@JohnBanks3: Sources: Claiborne hears lineup news, bolts http://t.co/cni9lICZOk via @ESPNDallas
9:19PM EDT
Post by: Pope on September 23, 2014, 09:09:50 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 23, 2014, 09:52:13 PM
Post by: casman02 on September 23, 2014, 11:08:57 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000399900/article/morris-claiborne-bolts-cowboys-facility-after-roster-news
If they do trade for him I wouldn't expect anything. Preferable to a few guys off the street I guess
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2014, 04:50:41 AM
If anybody could fix him it is Rex. That said if we traded for him, I'd want it to be something highly insignificant like a 6th round pick. Then it would require him actually being committed to the team, and not storming off the facility if he gets demoted because he sucks balls.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2014, 05:32:00 AM
I don't hate the idea of Claiborne, but he has been insanely terrible. If he wasn't a top 10 pick, he probably would have been canned by Dallas and probably be as out of the league as Gholston.
If anybody could fix him it is Rex. That said if we traded for him, I'd want it to be something highly insignificant like a 6th round pick. Then it would require him actually being committed to the team, and not storming off the facility if he gets demoted because he sucks balls.
I love that Jerry Jones traded a 1st and 2nd rounder to move up for Claiborne.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2014, 06:42:06 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2014, 08:35:27 AM
Well, #Cowboys CB Morris Claiborne has returned to the facility this morning after walking out last night because he lost his starting job
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 24, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
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Keyshawn JohnsonVerified account
@Thromedamnball @wonlov10 @7BOOMERESIASON @WFAN660 if I worried about that trash of a QB my life would be over!! Some people just need ratings
2:04 PM - 23 Sep 2014
Keyshawn JohnsonVerified account
@Thromedamnball @wonlov10 @7BOOMERESIASON @WFAN660 I've never played with him been around him let alone would ever speak to him he's gum under my shoe
2:06 PM - 23 Sep 2014
Keyshawn JohnsonVerified account
@Thromedamnball @cburzawa_sports it's all good I had a great time in NY.. love the real jet fans
9:13 PM - 23 Sep 2014
Keyshawn JohnsonVerified account
@Thromedamnball @nassaumoliseum fo sho.. what's said is said all I ask is to keep my name out of his mouth.. im moving on from it
10:08 PM - 23 Sep 2014
Keyshawn Twitter (https://twitter.com/Thromedamnball/with_replies)
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2014, 10:40:47 AM
Post by: guinness77 on September 24, 2014, 10:44:09 AM
As I suspected. Boomer was talking about Chrebet being added to the ring on honor and compared the 2 as players.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 24, 2014, 10:51:49 AM
STFU Key
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 24, 2014, 10:55:12 AM
So Boomer got excrement on for being right? LOL
STFU Key
I love his Twitter handle, "thromedamnball".
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 24, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
I love his Twitter handle, "thromedamnball".
I'm pretty sure I still have that book somewhere 15+ years later.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 24, 2014, 11:26:42 AM
I'm pretty sure I still have that book somewhere 15+ years later.
I loved that book, it was hilarious. I think my dad threw it out because he knew O'Donnell and liked him, I could never find another copy.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 24, 2014, 03:51:05 PM
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Adam SchefterVerified account
@AdamSchefter Free agent CB Champ Bailey, who feels healthy, said he is willing to play nickel or safety if that's what it takes to land a job somewhere.
4:34 PM - 24 Sep 2014
Post by: casman02 on September 24, 2014, 05:39:12 PM
So Boomer got excrement on for being right? LOL
STFU Key
Listening to Key on the Michael Kay show yesterday, his only gripe seemed to be that Boomer implied he played with no heart.I don't recall too many people questioning Keyshawn's effort on the field (though I was young and Key was my favorite player).
I can't stand Boomer personally. That morning show is intolerable 99 percent of the time
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 25, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Keyshawn's point seems to be also that Boomer never played with him, which is true, and therefore has no business speaking about Keyshawn's mindset.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
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Chris Johnson wants more carries.
CJ?K is out-carrying Chris Ivory, 35-33, but that's apparently not enough. However, Johnson is blaming "game situations," and not OC Marty Mornhinweg. He also says both backs would like more carries. "I know we both envisioned probably getting more carries, not just us both getting 10, 12 apiece." Coach Rex Ryan agrees that Ivory deserves more work, but has said no such thing about Johnson. Averaging 3.5 yards per carry, we hope CJ isn't holding his breath.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2014, 08:33:52 PM
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Post by: reuben on September 25, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 26, 2014, 04:54:37 AM
Beginning of an issue.
I'm afraid I agree. Right now if the media portrays it as Johnsonbeing an poopchute demanding carries, it's a media figment. But if we keep losing and Johnson's workload decreases as Ivory gets more touches, it will become one. Johnson clearly has an ego and believes he is the best despite not producing like anything more than an average back.
Post by: ons on September 26, 2014, 05:58:02 AM
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"I know we both envisioned probably getting more carries, not just us both getting 10, 12 apiece."
Well, yeah, when the two of them combine for 45 carries over two games there is something wrong with the playcalling.
Edit: actually, neither of them carried over 13 times against Oakland, either.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 26, 2014, 06:15:26 AM
I'm afraid I agree. Right now if the media portrays it as Johnsonbeing an poopchute demanding carries, it's a media figment. But if we keep losing and Johnson's workload decreases as Ivory gets more touches, it will become one. Johnson clearly has an ego and believes he is the best despite not producing like anything more than an average back.Somewhere Cimini is evil laughing.
Post by: Koz on September 26, 2014, 07:26:18 AM
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2014, 08:05:07 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 26, 2014, 08:13:47 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 26, 2014, 08:26:29 AM
They need to get Johnson into space. Running him in-between the tackles obviously isn't working.
Sometimes I wish Marty read the board.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 26, 2014, 09:03:46 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2014, 12:02:19 PM
1) This morning I read Cimini's article about CJ's comments. In context, he flat out said it wasn't an issue, that he completely understands the things they are trying to do, and he has no desire to walk into Marty's office to confront him over the issue. It's a scary world when Cimini is the voice of reason.
2) As MB alluded to, this constant attempt to push Johnson through the middle is infuriating. He's clearly not that guy. When he is in open space, he still has speed. Get him outside! And not just on screen passes that the entire defense sees coming.
Personally, I think the Jets should go to a split backfield with both Ivory and Johnson on the field at the same time. Then every play is disguised. The defense can't tell whether it's a passing play, or if it's a running play whether CJ or Ivory is going to carry it. That will then open up play action and give Geno some actual time, rather than constantly relying on the shotgun.
(EDIT: Heh, according to Wikipedia, what I'm proposing is the Veer triple option.)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 26, 2014, 07:59:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 26, 2014, 10:56:39 PM
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Free agent WR T.J. Graham worked out for the Jets.
Graham was waived by the Titans last week. He's looking to sign with a team as a deep reserve and situational deep threat. A 2012 third-round pick of the Bills, Graham has just a 54/683/3 line through three seasons.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 05:48:10 AM
I'd rather have Graham than Salas
Agreed. At least Graham has deep speed, Salas will probably never make a bigger play for us than he did on our final drive against Chicago. It's time to start rotating the WRs at the bottom of the roster to try and find something that sticks
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2014, 10:31:44 AM
Kerleytron
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/43774/penalty-check-willie-colon-leads-jets
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 27, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Since Rex took over the team, the most penalties the team has had in a season was 108 (2013) and the fewest was 83 (2012). So far we're on course for 128 this season, a number that would have seen us in the top 5 most penalised every year.Im not excusing it, but I would think anytime with a inexperienced/shitty QB is going to have significantly more penalties than a team with an established offense.
And then of course our aggressive man coverage would likely elicit more penalties as well
But I think you'd generally see an inverse relationship with penalties and QB experience/talent, and that's a huge factor
Post by: Miamipuck on September 27, 2014, 02:15:35 PM
Since Rex took over the team, the most penalties the team has had in a season was 108 (2013) and the fewest was 83 (2012). So far we're on course for 128 this season, a number that would have seen us in the top 5 most penalised every year.
Since Colon hit the ref the Jets have been getting the calls shoved up their derriere. That's a fact, they are getting jobbed and it's infuriating.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 27, 2014, 02:35:09 PM
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Free agent WR Chris Owusu worked out for the Jets.
Owusu was waived by the Bucs this week. The Jets also worked out free agent WR T.J. Graham on Friday.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 02:51:42 PM
Maybe it's because the Jets have 2 NFL-caliber wide receivers on the entire roster. And 1 is hurt.
I would say David Nelosn is a capable #4 guy. But the fact he is our only option as a #2 WR with Kerley primarily in the slot, is just a disaster.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2014, 03:05:38 PM
I would say David Nelosn is a capable #4 guy. But the fact he is our only option as a #2 WR with Kerley primarily in the slot, is just a disaster.I'm sick of this "capable #4 guy" nonsense for David Nelson. There are hundreds of "capable #4 guys" on NFL teams and on the waiver wire. Greg Salas is a "capable #4 guy." Chris Owusu could probably be a "capable #4 guy." All that means is the guy is decent enough to be roster filler.
Out of guys that have played at least 140 snaps, no one has been targeted on fewer routes than David Nelson. The fact that he still has to play that many snaps is a failure by Idzik to improve the position IMO. He should have been competing for a bottom of the roster spot, not a #2 WR spot.
Not saying Nelson should be cut. But it shows an issue with this roster that he has to play as much as he does. I'd almost rather have Stephen Hill out there, at least he could conceivably have upside... Nelson is 28 in November.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2014, 03:09:48 PM
Out of guys that have played at least 140 snaps, no one has been targeted on fewer routes than David Nelson. The fact that he still has to play that many snaps is a failure by Idzik to improve the position IMO. He should have been competing for a bottom of the roster spot, not a #2 WR spot.
I agree with this. Idzik got us out of cap hell which sets us up nicely for the future, but he's done very little to improve the receiving corps, which was a huge weakness even before he got here.
Eric Decker is a solid, consistent player but he's a #2 WR. This team still lacks a true threat outside.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 03:15:01 PM
I agree with this. Idzik got us out of cap hell which sets us up nicely for the future, but he's done very little to improve the receiving corps, which was a huge weakness even before he got here.
Eric Decker is a solid, consistent player but he's a #2 WR. This team still lacks a true threat outside.
At this point my preference for our first round pick is on a WR and there are expected to be some damn good ones this class. This of course assumes we don't go something like 4-12 and are drafting high enough to select our future franchise QB.
Sure we could also look at the CB position, but that position I'd look at FA for right now. We really need some young stellar playmakers and right now our best offensive player we have drafted Since Mangold in 2006 is Jeremy freaking Kerley. That excrement has to improve and in a big freaking way immediately.
Don't get me wrong Kerley was a home run of a 5th round pick, but we need some serious high end talent on offense in a big way.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
At this point my preference for our first round pick is on a WR and there are expected to be some damn good ones this class. This of course assumes we don't go something like 4-12 and are drafting high enough to select our future franchise QB.
Sure we could also look at the CB position, but that position I'd look at FA for right now. We really need some young stellar playmakers and right now our best offensive player we have drafted Since Mangold in 2006 is Jeremy freaking Kerley. That excrement has to improve and in a big freaking way immediately.
Don't get me wrong Kerley was a home run of a 5th round pick, but we need some serious high end talent on offense in a big way.
Definitely some big play wideouts that could potentially be in the 2015 draft. Just go get Greenberry, Green-Beckham, or Greene. One of the Greens.
I know it's defense again, but I'm seeing corner as a huge need even when Milliner gets back. Hopefully we're able to sign an upper-tier FA CB.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2014, 03:21:45 PM
I agree with this. Idzik got us out of cap hell which sets us up nicely for the future, but he's done very little to improve the receiving corps, which was a huge weakness even before he got here.
Eric Decker is a solid, consistent player but he's a #2 WR. This team still lacks a true threat outside.
I still think passing over Cooks for Pryor was a huge mistake.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 03:26:19 PM
I still think passing over Cooks for Pryor was a huge mistake.In the end it depends on who becomes the better player, but can you imagine our secondary right now without Pryor? Allen would be at safety and we'd be starting Walls and who (Phillip Adams?) opposite him right now?
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2014, 03:28:55 PM
In the end it depends on who becomes the better player, but can you imagine our secondary right now without Pryor? Allen would be at safety and we'd be starting Walls and who (Phillip Adams?) opposite him right now?
At least we'd have a HR hitter for Geno to throw to.
But i also get what you're saying.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 03:29:42 PM
Definitely some big play wideouts that could potentially be in the 2015 draft. Just go get Greenberry, Green-Beckham, or Greene. One of the Greens.
I know it's defense again, but I'm seeing corner as a huge need even when Milliner gets back. Hopefully we're able to sign an upper-tier FA CB.
You know I completely agree with you. We need to get Allen back to S after this year so he can be our long term starter opposite Pryor. But we have gone defense for 6 straight years in the first round, and haven't drafted a pro bowl offensive player since 2006. We need to get a playmaker in here immediately, and the secondary needs to be our focus in FA. Obviously it's extremely early, and a million things can change, but right now that's my preference unless we go after a QB to take us into the future because Geno just won't end up being that guy.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2014, 03:29:45 PM
I still think passing over Cooks for Pryor was a huge mistake.
I just wonder how effective Cooks would be with Geno Smith overthrowing him on bubble screens...
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2014, 03:32:17 PM
I just wonder how effective Cooks would be with Geno Smith overthrowing him on bubble screens...
the triple pump screen play is a career-destroyer, yes.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
At least we'd have a HR hitter for Geno to throw to.
But i also get what you're saying.
If you remember, I was all about cooks, I wanted him more than ODB although several of you draft gurus were pretty convincing in changing my mind. I just hope as we go forwards we can get a real infusion of offensive talent via the draft Idzik loves so much. His first two drafts have left a lot to be desired (from the offensive perspective).
Also is anybody else hoping Dakota Dozier and Oday Aboushi starts getting some serious looks to play at one of the OG spots? Winters is still a turnstile and Colon is going to end up one of the 3 most penalized players in football again this year.
Who would have thought I'd have been longing for Matt Slausons stuttering derriere.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2014, 03:35:11 PM
Also is anybody else hoping Dakota Dozier and Oday Aboushi starts getting some serious looks to play at one of the OG spots? Winters is still a turnstile and Colon is going to end up one of the 3 most penalized players in football again this year.
Winters needs to keep playing - he's going to have lumps. He's been a force at times in the run game. Colon is the guy that needs to get put on the bench.
I don't think we'll see Bulldozier unless there are injuries.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 03:40:19 PM
Winters needs to keep playing - he's going to have lumps. He's been a force at times in the run game. Colon is the guy that needs to get put on the bench.
I don't think we'll see Bulldozier unless there are injuries.
Oh me either, but I have such high hopes for him pre draft, I want him to be successful here. But given the fact Aboushi was the most talked about backup OL this offseason I'd assume Dozier is still a ways away.
I agree winters needs to play. Just like Smith, he has to take his lumps and see if he can overcome them. Otherwise we will never know if he can be useful. It's not like we are anything more than a contender for the postseason this year, now the time to let them learn on the job any hopefully they can progress quickly so next year we can add 3-4 more pieces and we can then make a real push next year at a 10-6 or 11-5 season
Post by: ons on September 27, 2014, 03:48:13 PM
Winters needs to keep playing - he's going to have lumps. He's been a force at times in the run game. Colon is the guy that needs to get put on the bench.
I don't think we'll see Bulldozier unless there are injuries.
Winters has improved a lot since last year - he didn't look like he belonged on an NFL roster for stretches of time as a rookie. This year he looks capable most of the time, flashes some real potential, and then gets blown up one or two times a game. His mistakes are costly and come at critical moments, but he's getting there. It's just taking a lot longer than anyone hoped it'd take.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2014, 03:54:56 PM
failure by Idzik
done very little to improve the receiving corps
Heretics. Idzik is god and above criticism, remember?
Post by: Ornstein on September 27, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
He was probably the only reasonably priced corner that would have been a starter for us for the next few years or so.
freak DRC
Post by: Miamipuck on September 27, 2014, 04:23:04 PM
The only move I was really disappointed about was not signing Verner.
He was probably the only reasonably priced corner that would have been a starter for us for the next few years or so.
freak DRC
Verner looks like excrement this year and he is in a system that he is perfect for.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2014, 04:24:14 PM
Verner looks like excrement this year and he is in a system that he is perfect for.
Yeah, I didn't want to see us invest a lot of money in a corner that has only shown the ability to play zone.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 27, 2014, 04:31:58 PM
Yeah, I didn't want to see us invest a lot of money in a corner that has only shown the ability to play zone.
Not to mention he didn't want to sign here.
Post by: casman02 on September 27, 2014, 06:51:35 PM
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Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73 1m
Ex-Jet RT @RustyMillerAP: Kid just ran on field, got absolutely destroyed by #OhioState staffer Anthony Schlegel, former LB for #Buckeyes
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Boar Hunter!
Post by: Laxin on September 27, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
At this point my preference for our first round pick is on a WR and there are expected to be some damn good ones this class. This of course assumes we don't go something like 4-12 and are drafting high enough to select our future franchise QB.
Sure we could also look at the CB position, but that position I'd look at FA for right now. We really need some young stellar playmakers and right now our best offensive player we have drafted Since Mangold in 2006 is Jeremy freaking Kerley. That excrement has to improve and in a big freaking way immediately.
Don't get me wrong Kerley was a home run of a 5th round pick, but we need some serious high end talent on offense in a big way.
I feel like this has been said every year since 2011... And every year WR is still left untouched through the draft (and selecting some late round fliers dont really count).
Unless someone like Dez or Cobb hit the open market, WR should once again be the priority.
Also, I dont think Idzik did a terrible job with CB. If Milliner and McDougle were healthy, it would look a lot different. I still think AA can play anywhere in the secondary successfully, although safety is probably his best position. If Milliner can get and stay on the field, the secondary isnt as bad as the WR group.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2014, 07:08:58 PM
I feel like this has been said every year since 2011... And every year WR is still left untouched through the draft (and selecting some late round fliers dont really count).
Unless someone like Dez or Cobb hit the open market, WR should once again be the priority.
Also, I dont think Idzik did a terrible job with CB. If Milliner and McDougle were healthy, it would look a lot different. I still think AA can play anywhere in the secondary successfully, although safety is probably his best position. If Milliner can get and stay on the field, the secondary isnt as bad as the WR group.
It's highly unlikely Dez hits the market, but obviously that's the preference. Cobb is more or less a more expensive version of Kerley. Yes I do think if Kerley had Rodgers throwing him the ball, his stats would be pretty similar to Cobbs.
We need to get our hands on somebody capable of making plays this year and hopefully it's a stud like one of the Greens as Heismanberg pointed out.
Post by: Jumbo on September 27, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Heretics. Idzik is god and above criticism, remember?
He can only be criticized when invoking the LaRon Landry clause.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 27, 2014, 08:34:50 PM
Jets clearly arent happy with wr depth/health atm
Not being happy with WR health makes Owusu a funny choice. He's a very underrated receiver...because he's consistently a concussion threat.
Post by: Tommy on September 27, 2014, 09:00:58 PM
Not being happy with WR health makes Owusu a funny choice. He's a very underrated receiver...because he's consistently a concussion threat.
Even if he's only healthy for a few games, he'd still give us some good depth. I'll take a good WR for a few games over a shitty one for all games.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 27, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
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Boar Hunter!
His first tackle?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 27, 2014, 09:06:39 PM
Even if he's only healthy for a few games, he'd still give us some good depth. I'll take a good WR for a few games over a shitty one for all games.
I wouldn't call him a good WR. He hasn't done anything on the field. It's not like taking a chance on Austin Collie. Owusu was always all potential because of the head injuries.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 27, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
Owusu was always all potential because of the head injuries.
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Post by: Tommy on September 27, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
I wouldn't call him a good WR. He hasn't done anything on the field. It's not like taking a chance on Austin Collie. Owusu was always all potential because of the head injuries.
Ah, don't know anything about him, but when I saw "very underrated" I thought you were implying that he's actually good.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2014, 09:23:09 PM
Ah, don't know anything about him, but when I saw "very underrated" I thought you were implying that he's actually good.
He's crazy fast and caught a shitload of passes from Andrew Luck in college.
Post by: Laxin on September 28, 2014, 09:41:12 AM
He's crazy fast and caught a shitload of passes from Andrew Luck in college.
Also was the victim of some of the most vicious hits I have ever seen. Not sure how he is still alive, let alone playing football.
Post by: reuben on September 28, 2014, 10:49:06 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BylC3FQIQAAr966.jpg)
Boar Hunter!
I wish there was a fanbase that cherished Anthony Schlegel enough to make a marble statue out of this pic.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2014, 03:50:56 PM
Antonio Allen just hobbled out of the locker room. In a lot of pain. Left ankle or leg issue #nyj
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2014, 03:59:33 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 33s
Antonio Allen just hobbled out of the locker room. In a lot of pain. Left ankle or leg issue #nyj
When the hell did that happen?
Post by: hawk on September 28, 2014, 04:00:56 PM
When the hell did that happen?
Kicked the locker when he heard that Rex was being forced to stick with Geno.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2014, 04:04:43 PM
Kicked the locker when he heard that Rex was being forced to stick with Geno.
I'm sure you are kidding, but I still laughed.
So we will be bringing in a corner this week I'd assume? If Allen is hobbled and best case Milliner plays at less than 100% we have to be bringing somebody in...
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2014, 04:05:30 PM
I'm sure you are kidding, but I still laughed.
So we will be bringing in a corner this week I'd assume? If Allen is hobbled and best case Milliner plays at less than 100% we have to be bringing somebody in...
Welcome to the New York Jets Ellis Lankster.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2014, 09:17:26 PM
Confirmed that FB John Conner visited Jets today. With Bohanon hurt, will we get Terminator 2? #nyj
Post by: Tommy on September 29, 2014, 09:43:31 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2014, 09:44:55 PM
What was the deal with Conner anyway?
Full back who can't catch.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2014, 09:46:04 PM
Post by: hawk on September 29, 2014, 09:48:35 PM
Geno never looks to his fullbacks in the passing game anyway. Conner has had some extra experience now, maybe he is better.
I would feel bad for a defender getting blocked by Conner with Ivory following him. Pretty sure I would just get out of the way, and take the wrath of my coach.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2014, 09:49:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
Full back who can't catch.
He also didn't block that well. I liked him, but he went for the killshot every time and whiffed way too much.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
What was the deal with Conner anyway?
He sucks balls.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 30, 2014, 11:28:47 AM
He sucks balls.
Pretty much this.
There's likely a pretty good reason he isn't currently employed. He was crap the first time around, why would anything think it'll be better this time?
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
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The likes of Jason Babin, Calvin Pace, and Quinton Coples have combined with star interior lineman Muhammad Wilkerson to take down opposing quarterbacks on 8.4 percent of their drop-backs, the highest rate in football.
It hasn’t been a string of easy-to-sack quarterbacks, either. Jay Cutler has a sticky reputation from his days behind dismal offensive lines in Chicago, but Aaron Rodgers is one of the most elusive passers in the game, and Matthew Stafford is routinely one of the least frequently sacked quarterbacks. The Jets have had no problems taking them all down, even if the rest of the league has. In comparison to that 8.8 percent sack rate for the Jets, other opposing pass rushes have taken down the quarterbacks of the offenses the Jets have played (Oakland, Chicago, Green Bay, and Detroit) just 4.1 percent of the time.2
Ryan also hasn’t benefited from a significant amount of luck on pass pressures, either. I tend to take notice when a team produces six or more quarterback hits in a game. Even if those hits don’t result in sacks, they’re still a healthy sign you’re getting to the quarterback and influencing the game with your rush. The Jets have been above that figure three weeks in a row, including a massive 12-hit performance on Rodgers in Week 2. Wilkerson, who will be in the running for defensive player of the year with this form, has three hits on his own in each of the last two games. As fans grumble about the dismal Jets offense and their lack of spending at cornerback, it’s hard to argue with what the pass rush has done to affect opposing offenses.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2014, 02:32:18 PM
Or are Richardson and Harrison not worthy of being in the same sentence as pace and babin
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2014, 02:45:22 PM
Davis, Richardson and Landry each have more sacks than the rest besides Wilk.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2014, 02:51:32 PM
It's obviously a stat for the whole D. I don't know why they chose the names they did.
Davis, Richardson and Landry each have more sacks than the rest besides Wilk.
I think they're referencing QB hits per, which is not to be confused with an actual sack number.
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2014, 02:54:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
They called it a sack rate in the second paragraph. It also changes from 8.4 to 8.8 for some reason.
They followed Stafford home and are still hitting him.
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2014, 08:53:03 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 02, 2014, 08:57:26 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-legend-joe-namath-calls-play-oxygen-therapy-article-1.1958857
Dr. Lee Fox looks way more excited to be there.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 02, 2014, 08:58:03 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-legend-joe-namath-calls-play-oxygen-therapy-article-1.1958857
I know of a few football players with their own personal hyperbaric chamber, they say it helps get more oxygen in your blood and promotes healing and decreases swelling.
Post by: Tommy on October 02, 2014, 09:02:11 AM
Dr. Lee Fox looks way more excited to be there.
Joe just asked to kiss him.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 02, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
Joe just asked to kiss him.
They were wise to crop out the erection.
Post by: steves850 on October 02, 2014, 11:55:13 AM
They were wise to crop out the erection.
God damn liberal media always censoring excrement!
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 08:31:39 AM
Demario Davis - "I don't see a lot of guys putting a lot of effort into film study."
link (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/44141/demario-davis-were-not-practicing-like-a-championship-team?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
light the match, Woody.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 06, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
Demario Davis - "I don't see a lot of guys putting a lot of effort into film study."
link (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/44141/demario-davis-were-not-practicing-like-a-championship-team?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
light the match, Woody.
The worst part of that is Richardson talking about how Rex was making the wrong calls or that the guys on the field were making different calls than what Rex wanted.
The inmates run the asylum.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 01:14:59 PM
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 2m2 minutes ago
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
It's highly likely that we'll be 1-6 with a 6 game losing streak heading into the bye week.
That will be an interesting press conference.
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2014, 01:17:06 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 2m2 minutes ago
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
Hang the HC out to dry for not being able to do anything with this shitshow of a roster he has built.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 01:19:03 PM
It's highly likely that we'll be 1-6 with a 6 game losing streak heading into the bye week.
That will be an interesting press conference.
His derriere should be front and center, in front of a podium, this week.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
#Jets QB Geno Smith is scheduled to be on a conference call with reporters around 5:15 pm Eastern today. I can think of a question or two.
he's going to get lit up.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
His derriere should be front and center, in front of a podium, this week.
How can you not look at the GM's derriere when he's giving a press conference?!
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 01:20:45 PM
How can you not look at the GM's derriere when he's giving a press conference?!
lol
well done.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 06, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
"Yeah guys, I have a ton of cash, blew a dozen picks and got no offensive contribution, but it's not my fault!"
Though it doesn't change the fact that he's a coward.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 01:23:17 PM
What's he going to say?
"Yeah guys, I have a ton of cash, blew a dozen picks and got no offensive contribution, but it's not my fault!"
Though it doesn't change the fact that he's a coward.
Woody should ask for a refund from the company he hired for the GM search.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 06, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
Woody should ask for a refund from the company he hired for the GM search.
Jeez, I totally forgot about that.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2014, 01:27:22 PM
Stupid excrement that this thread is meant for:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
It was only a matter of time before that dickhead opened his trap.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 06, 2014, 01:32:20 PM
Stupid excrement that this thread is meant for:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
I didn't click the article, but Marcus did make a point on Twitter that I had made earlier in the day. Vick hasn't had any first team reps. It's hard to knock his performance yesterday when he hasn't thrown to any of the starters* since July.
*I use that term very lightly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2014, 01:33:16 PM
It was only a matter of time before that dickhead opened his trap.Sad part is he's right (about the weapons sucking)
Post by: hawk on October 06, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Stupid excrement that this thread is meant for:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
What tweet doesn't sound like any poster in here? More to the point, what tweet isn't he right about?
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2014, 01:42:34 PM
What tweet doesn't sound like any poster in here? More to the point, what tweet isn't he right about?
It's implied that he thinks his brother is still a capable starter, which he probably isn't. Also, he's being a dick to the Jets. We're dicks because we care!
Post by: guinness77 on October 06, 2014, 02:05:31 PM
Niiice
Post by: Libero_2 on October 06, 2014, 04:41:15 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 2m2 minutes ago
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
Same excrement as last year. Idzik doesn't talk to the media except when he has no other choice. Preseason, draft time, bye weeks and postseason. He also might have been interviewed after the decker signing.
It's probably wise, can't be say something stupid to get people talking if you never talk.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2014, 05:15:53 PM
Same excrement as last year. Idzik doesn't talk to the media except when he has no other choice. Preseason, draft time, bye weeks and postseason. He also might have been interviewed after the decker signing.Idzik talking to the media would put more of the pressure on him, but other than that, what would it really accomplish other than feeding the witch hunt.
It's probably wise, can't be say something stupid to get people talking if you never talk.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2014, 06:17:34 PM
Rich Gannon on CBS Sports Network talking Jets QBs: "It is a train wreck. It is a disaster right now in New York." #nyj
don't sugarcoat it, Rich.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 08:15:48 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 14s14 seconds ago
Rich Gannon on CBS Sports Network talking Jets QBs: "It is a train wreck. It is a disaster right now in New York." #nyj
don't sugarcoat it, Rich.
He is correct.
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2014, 08:18:22 AM
He is correct.
Don't tell MexJetinBcn
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 08:19:40 AM
Don't tell MexJetinBcn
I would need to get unbanned at TGG. I am going to call Semen, TGG's admin. BRB.
Post by: Coach K on October 07, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
He is correct.
Our WRS used to be the Flight Crew.
Now our QBS are the Polar Express, you know, the alternate ending where the train crashes into an orphanage and a severely injured Tom Hanks is forced to eat child flesh and fashion their corpses into sleeping bags to survive till help comes
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2014, 08:20:27 AM
I would need to get unbanned at TGG. I am going to call Semen, TGG's admin. BRB.
Offer him fishing lures as a peace offering.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2014, 08:21:28 AM
Our WRS used to be the Flight Crew.
Now our QBS are the Polar Express, you know, the alternate ending where the train crashes into an orphanage and a severely injured Tom Hanks is forced to eat child flesh and fashion their corpses into sleeping bags to survive till help comes
wat
Post by: Coach K on October 07, 2014, 08:23:25 AM
wat
Gannon said it's a trainwreck, the concept is plain as day. Or is it the macabre nature of said joke that earned that response?
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 08:23:56 AM
Offer him fishing lures as a peace offering.
I think I can get all of us unbanned if I send him this:
(http://pecheur.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/DSK-fishing-lure.jpg)
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2014, 08:28:39 AM
Gannon said it's a trainwreck, the concept is plain as day. Or is it the macabre nature of said joke that earned that response?
Yes.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 08:29:08 AM
Our WRS used to be the Flight Crew.
No they didn't.
Post by: Coach K on October 07, 2014, 08:32:28 AM
No they didn't.
Flight Boys? That's even gayer
Post by: Coach K on October 07, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
No they didn't.
I love from the insanity I spewed that is the thing that stood out the most lol
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
Post by: Tommy on October 07, 2014, 08:33:34 AM
Gannon said it's a trainwreck, the concept is plain as day. Or is it the macabre nature of said joke that earned that response?
What's going on here.
Post by: Coach K on October 07, 2014, 08:34:13 AM
What's going on here.
O Hai Tommy
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 08:34:18 AM
I love from the insanity I spewed that is the thing that stood out the most lol
It's JE, he's a curmudgeon. He's mad someone switched his pureed peas for carrots.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 08:37:07 AM
I love from the insanity I spewed that is the thing that stood out the most lol
The Flight Crew are our cheerleading squad, it stood out because it made as little sense as the rest of your post.
Post by: Coach K on October 07, 2014, 08:39:27 AM
The Flight Crew are our cheerleading squad, it stood out because it made as little sense as the rest of your post.
The rest of it made plenty of sense. It'd make more sense for you to just say it wasn't funny.
Or you know, you could overlook a minor mix up n stop acting like a passive aggressive woman
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2014, 08:42:55 AM
NY Garbage Collectors
That's the scouting department.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2014, 10:08:53 AM
Post by: Koz on October 07, 2014, 10:10:36 AM
The Justin McCareins
Careful, he can arrest you for speaking out of turn.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
Ex-Jets draft pick Will Campbell signs w/ Bills' PS. When he was Jets' OL coach, Marrone had success w/ DL-to-OL convert -- Brandon Moore.
I didn't know that Marrone used to coach at the Jets.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 12:49:52 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 3m3 minutes ago
Ex-Jets draft pick Will Campbell signs w/ Bills' PS. When he was Jets' OL coach, Marrone had success w/ DL-to-OL convert -- Brandon Moore.
I didn't know that Marrone used to coach at the Jets.
Really?
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 12:52:00 PM
Really?
No, I just made it up. Yes, really. I've only considered myself a Jets fan for about ten years, and only really become a huge one since I moved over here.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 01:17:33 PM
No, I just made it up. Yes, really. I've only considered myself a Jets fan for about ten years, and only really become a huge one since I moved over here.
10 years, well he was a Jets coach less than that.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
10 years, well he was a Jets coach less than that.
Left in 2005. I apologise for not knowing that Doug Marrone was the OL coach for the first year since me deciding to follow the Jets. I will return my jerseys to Florham Park and go find a new team to follow.
I hear Green Bay is nice at this time of year.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 01:24:18 PM
Left in 2005. I apologise for not knowing that Doug Marrone was the OL coach for the first year since me deciding to follow the Jets. I will return my jerseys to Florham Park and go find a new team to follow.
I hear Green Bay is nice at this time of year.
That's all I wanted, I accept your apology.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
That's all I wanted, I accept your apology.
LET'S GO PACK!!!!11ONE!
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 01:31:58 PM
LET'S GO PACK!!!!11ONE!
Yeah well who in the hell is their oline coach?
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Yeah well who in the hell is their oline coach?
Doug Marrone?
Post by: Miamipuck on October 07, 2014, 01:51:36 PM
Doug Marrone?
Hahahaha
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/nfl-week-6-elo-ratings-and-playoff-odds/
(https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/silver-elo-table-2-week61.png)
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2014, 03:13:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2014, 03:55:57 PM
FiveThirtyEight gives us a 4% chance to make the playoffs.And the 4th pick in the draft projected
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/nfl-week-6-elo-ratings-and-playoff-odds/
(https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/silver-elo-table-2-week61.png)
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2014, 04:10:50 PM
Post by: Jetaho on October 08, 2014, 04:31:56 PM
4th pick would probably get us a good QB, although I don't believe that someone wouldn't trade with Jacksonville or Oakland to get Winston or Mariota - you have to think that St Louis would be taking a QB at 3.Good thing STL won't be picking then using those projections then (Skins would be #3).
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2014, 06:05:57 PM
Can't tell you how sick I am of hearing about what QB we might get if suck bad enough to draft real high. So we can have another rookie QB and an excuse to suck for another couple of years. Because that always works.What's the alternative?
Post by: Tommy on October 08, 2014, 06:19:23 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2014, 06:27:01 PM
NE is still one of the teams most likely to win the Super Bowl?Well when you're guaranteed to win your division I'd imagine that bodes well for your super bowl odds
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
NE is still one of the teams most likely to win the Super Bowl?
Did you see them play on Sunday night against the 4-0 Bengals?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 09, 2014, 06:51:15 AM
What's the alternative?
Plenty of alternatives. Some of the best QBs in the league were lower picks. There's no need to start in October worrying about a top 5 pick who is more likely to set us back 5 years than win anything.
Post by: Tommy on October 09, 2014, 07:18:15 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3m3 minutes ago
Rex said he gives his "two cents" occasionally to Marty, but "almost the entire time, I'm with the defense (in meetings)."
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 09, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
I think the lack of discipline has more to do with the youth of the roster and the lack of leadership. Who are the leaders on this team? Defensively, our vocal leader appears to be Demario Davis, who has used the media to try to kick his teammates in the derriere (which Rex quickly vetoed). Offensively, who is it? One of the linemen? Geno has been iffy.
Ryan backed him up saying players need to be more accountable. It's a big reason why the team is so undisciplined.
Combine the youth with a Rex-type coach, and you get lack of discipline.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 09, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
And this is why:
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3m3 minutes ago
Rex said he gives his "two cents" occasionally to Marty, but "almost the entire time, I'm with the defense (in meetings)."
In a way this is comforting. Rex sitting in offensive meetings is basically worthless, we all know this, so why bother? As long as he is checking over the basic game plan overview, like we are playing the worst run defense in the league let me make sure we aren't planning to pass 40 times going into the game.
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
In a way this is comforting. Rex sitting in offensive meetings is basically worthless, we all know this, so why bother?
I'm not sure about that. I would think that a defensive guru would have some reasonable insight into the weaknesses of a particular defensive scheme or player, and how the offense can best attack it.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 09, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
I'm not sure about that. I would think that a defensive guru would have some reasonable insight into the weaknesses of a particular defensive scheme or player, and how the offense can best attack it.
Sure I agree with that in principle, but we know Rex has said he's pretty useless at that component.
Post by: NDMick on October 09, 2014, 05:25:10 PM
This lazy lover of the older lady has been living off his atheticism for over a decade and has never put in any hard work on the field. freak him and his dogs. I hope one rapes him in the pee hole and cums in his eyes.
freaking stupid hire for backup QB. Idzik needs to go. The entire QB mess is on him.
Drew Stanton for president.
Post by: NDMick on October 09, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
I'm going to like the house cleaning that is coming.
Everyone is getting fired
bill polian 2015!!!
Post by: Libero_2 on October 09, 2014, 06:08:42 PM
Rex "likes the honesty of Mike Vick."
I'm going to like the house cleaning that is coming.
Everyone is getting fired
bill polian 2015!!!
Why do we want Bill Polian? What did he ever do aside from have Peyton Manning as his QB when he got the Colts gig?
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
Post by: NDMick on October 10, 2014, 12:07:00 AM
Why do we want Bill Polian? What did he ever do aside from have Peyton Manning as his QB when he got the Colts gig?
He also built the Bills non-dynasty.
The Bills win two of those SBs, they would share the spotlight with the 90s cowboys.
But they didn't so freak them.
However, Polian built teams that went to 6 SBs. So he's pretty good at building teams.
Badge, if that was directed at me - I'll take bill polian. I don't freaking care anymore.
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 10, 2014, 03:30:54 AM
He also built the Bills non-dynasty.
The Bills win two of those SBs, they would share the spotlight with the 90s cowboys.
But they didn't so freak them.
However, Polian built teams that went to 6 SBs. So he's pretty good at building teams.
Badge, if that was directed at me - I'll take bill polian. I don't freaking care anymore.
Some relevant points but why do you think Bill Polian is going to want to come here?
I think Idzik is Woody's guy so we are stuck with him at least for another 2 years- that's reality.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2014, 07:38:39 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2014, 08:26:40 AM
Bill Polian is a couple of year or two tops, from getting his diapers cleaned at an Elderly care facility, double freak that and triple no freaking way. Who are the Jets going to hire to coach? freaking Marv Levy or Dick Lebeau?
Idzik should grab a shovel and dig up Bill Walsh.
Put your back into it, Idzik.
Post by: NDMick on October 10, 2014, 11:15:41 AM
Bill Polian is a couple of year or two tops, from getting his diapers cleaned at an Elderly care facility, double freak that and triple no freaking way. Who are the Jets going to hire to coach? freaking Marv Levy or Dick Lebeau?
How about Parcells?
He began a nice era of Jets football where they went to the playoffs every other year. Maybe he can do it again.
I'm in full hatred of how the management in the past 4 years has dismantled a strong team as if it was the plan all along.
The Jets have the worst QB in the league, and a queynte backup who doesn't take his job seriously.
I'll take Matt Simms for the remainder of the year.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
How about Parcells?
He began a nice era of Jets football where they went to the playoffs every other year. Maybe he can do it again.
I'm in full hatred of how the management in the past 4 years has dismantled a strong team as if it was the plan all along.
The Jets have the worst QB in the league, and a queynte backup who doesn't take his job seriously.
I'll take Matt Simms for the remainder of the year.
I am not entirely disagreeing with blowing up management after the season. Here is what's scary about Idzik to me. He has what shaping up to be a not so great draft with all of "his" people, like the great Rod Graves, puke. Some of that is beyond his control, admittedly.
He canned a lot of scouts and such and they did pretty well last year in my opinion, the 2013 draft. That said, although I am not enamored with Idzik, I don't mind giving him one more draft. However, if he is excrement canned, no freaking way do I want a geriatric running the show. Also freak Parcells, he won't stay in one place long enough and the game has flew by him like an F-22 Raptor.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2014, 03:51:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2014, 04:01:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 10, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
I need a room that flushes my crap away.
I believe that indoor plumbing and flushing toilets have recently become available in Virginia, you should probably look into it. I realise that such technology might be scary to you simple country folk but it really is worth overcoming your fears.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 10, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
I believe that indoor plumbing and flushing toilets have recently become available in Virginia, you should probably look into it. I realise that such technology might be scary to you simple country folk but it really is worth overcoming your fears.Kinda like dental care, huh?
Post by: IATA on October 10, 2014, 10:45:49 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 11, 2014, 12:16:50 AM
If we hire Parcells, I quit.
He'd follow you after a season anyway.
Post by: NDMick on October 12, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
I am not entirely disagreeing with blowing up management after the season. Here is what's scary about Idzik to me. He has what shaping up to be a not so great draft with all of "his" people, like the great Rod Graves, puke. Some of that is beyond his control, admittedly.
He canned a lot of scouts and such and they did pretty well last year in my opinion, the 2013 draft. That said, although I am not enamored with Idzik, I don't mind giving him one more draft. However, if he is excrement canned, no freaking way do I want a geriatric running the show. Also freak Parcells, he won't stay in one place long enough and the game has flew by him like an F-22 Raptor.
Rod Graves is bad.
okay how about a non-emotional choice? Eric DeCosta from BAL. He's been there forever. He's seen how to conduct truly great drafts. If the reports are true about Rex being able to keep his job, then he'd work well with him.
Post by: Badger on October 12, 2014, 05:41:17 PM
Rod Graves is bad.
okay how about a non-emotional choice? Eric DeCosta from BAL. He's been there forever. He's seen how to conduct truly great drafts. If the reports are true about Rex being able to keep his job, then he'd work well with him.
DeCosta is never going to leave. He was a popular suggestion around here but the Ravens seem intent on keeping him around and likely grooming him to take the reins someday.
Post by: NDMick on October 12, 2014, 05:43:14 PM
DeCosta is never going to leave. He was a popular suggestion around here but the Ravens seem intent on keeping him around and likely grooming him to take the reins someday.
Woody can take the money he made off that apartment and use it to woo DeCosta.
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2014, 09:26:04 AM
In last two games, the Jets are averaging 3.1 yards per PLAY. That's what you call taking 3 yards and a cloud of dust to a new level. #nyj
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2014, 02:14:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2014, 03:39:03 PM
Quote
Chris Johnson played 21 of the Jets' 63 offensive snaps in Week 6.
That's 33.3 percent. Slowly but surely, CJdoneK is being phased out of the Jets' offense. His carry totals with New York, in chronological order from Weeks 1-6, are 13, 12, 10, 6, 7, and 3. Johnson is Pro Football Focus' No. 52-graded runner out of 56 qualifiers. He finished last year 48th out of 55.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/298138/jets-phasing-chris-johnson-out-of-the-offense
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Calvin Pace: NFL 'had it out' for Jets with brutal schedule #nyj: http://nyp.st/1w6Hrum via @nypost
great, now the Jets are making excuses. freak off, Pace.
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2014, 03:30:25 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 26s26 seconds ago
Calvin Pace: NFL 'had it out' for Jets with brutal schedule #nyj: http://nyp.st/1w6Hrum via @nypost
great, now the Jets are making excuses. freak off, Pace.
Quote
“With that being said, nobody feels sorry for us. We’ve just got to go out and handle our business in a very hostile environment and find a way to get one.”
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2014, 03:32:49 PM
the ol' passive aggressive bait n' switch
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2014, 03:35:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
The ol' context thingy.
prrrt?
Post by: Tommy on October 14, 2014, 10:09:02 PM
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
I don't think he meant that the NFL had it out as in conspired to make the Jets schedule difficult. He probably just misused those words.
No, we need to take every comment at face value and be outraged.
Post by: ons on October 15, 2014, 01:53:48 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
Apparently Dimitri Patterson recently turned down an offer from the Seahawks. Weird dude.
They probably insulted him by refusing to guarantee he'd be a starter in their shitty secondary.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 15, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2014, 02:35:54 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 15, 2014, 02:41:19 PM
He's actually still being paid by the Jets through some sort of payroll glitch.
We need to, uuuhhh, fix the glitch.
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2014, 10:59:24 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2014, 07:17:53 PM
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On Sunday, after gaining seven yards on three carries in a 43-23 loss to the visiting Bills, Johnson didn't seem quite as happy to be a Jet. Asked for a comment about the Jets' quarterback situation, the running back was frank.
"I don't even be in the game, so I don't know," he told ESPN New York.
Quote
Asked if the Bills' defensive front kept the Jets from running more consistently, Johnson said, "I really didn't run the ball so I don't know."
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
This is what happens when you start 1-7.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 26, 2014, 07:22:47 PM
Also it will get very ugly in the next couple weeks. Certain players will become selfish because they want their touches. They will figure if they are going to lose, might as well look good doing it so next year they can get a new deal from somebody else.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 26, 2014, 07:33:24 PM
Harvin and CJ2k will likely be the first players to go if Woody Johnson fires Ryan and Idzik
Yup both are cuttable for basically nothing, and given Harvins production in Seattle (and production today extrapolated for the rest of the year) just purely will not be worth the $10 million on our cap next year.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 26, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
Harvin and CJ2k will likely be the first players to go if Woody Johnson fires Ryan and IdzikHe's a jackass if he doesn't....
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2014, 07:34:13 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2014, 07:34:45 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 26, 2014, 07:35:58 PM
not sure why so many NYJ fans expected Percy Harvin to make an immediate impact when he doesn't have chemistry with the QB/a strong grasp of the offense yet.
If you are referring to my comments a minute ago, I was actually shocked he was on the field so much today. But you don't pay $10 million a year for a guy who returns kicks and gains about 500-800 yards on offense a year, which is what he is on pace for right now.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2014, 07:36:03 PM
not sure why so many NYJ fans expected Percy Harvin to make an immediate impact when he doesn't have chemistry with the QB/a strong grasp of the offense yet.I was just hoping he'd open things up for the other guys by taking the heat off. Apparently the receivers need someone to throw them the ball.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2014, 07:36:03 PM
We all knew rebuilding was going to be a long term project.
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
And we do have signifcant talent on parts of the roster
Post by: hawk on October 26, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
Its amazing the turnaround in one day. Things went from hopeful to suicidal depression in one game.
I don't know about that. At this point, I am rooting for wins, but will be happy (won't be upset) with losing every game going forward.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
more reasons to start fresh
Post by: hawk on October 26, 2014, 07:37:58 PM
Its far too early to realistically talk about Idzik getting fired.
We all knew rebuilding was going to be a long term project.
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
And we do have signifcant talent on parts of the roster
Well, then you can't fire Ryan, which at this point I don't care.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2014, 07:40:59 PM
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
Which is exactly why he has to be fired. All of the evidence so far unequivocally tells us that he's bad at drafting and he's bad in free agency and he's bad at understanding roster needs. It would be crazy to give him all this cap space and a high draft pick and expect him to magically get it right this time; the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly in the hope of getting different results.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
We have released LB A.J. Edds.
Watch out, Idzik getting ready to make a big move and.................probably move Simms to active roster.
Post by: klaximilian on October 28, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
New York Jets @nyjets 30m30 minutes ago
We have released LB A.J. Edds.
Watch out, Idzik getting ready to make a big move and.................probably move Simms to active roster.
Bringing Kurt Warner out of retirement.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2014, 04:15:11 PM
We have signed CB Marcus Williams from the practice squad to the active roster-
Post by: Jetaho on October 28, 2014, 04:36:10 PM
New York Jets @nyjets · 18s18 seconds ago
We have signed CB Marcus Williams from the practice squad to the active roster-
BOOM!
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
BOOM!
Championship.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 28, 2014, 05:17:34 PM
New York Jets @nyjets · 18s18 seconds ago
We have signed CB Marcus Williams from the practice squad to the active roster-
He will probably be starting Sunday rofl.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2014, 05:19:12 PM
He will probably be starting Sunday rofl.
Considering we had Hakim out there Sunday.
Post by: Jumbo on October 28, 2014, 09:52:37 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2kmaxw/james_ihedigbo_from_the_detroit_lions_ama/
Only comment relevant to NYJ is pretty generic: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2kmaxw/james_ihedigbo_from_the_detroit_lions_ama/clmnkd3
Post by: Pope on October 28, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2014, 08:43:06 AM
Ihedigbo is one of my favorite jets of all time
I think we gave up on him a tad prematurely.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2014, 08:48:05 AM
Post by: klaximilian on October 29, 2014, 09:58:39 AM
I think we gave up on him a tad prematurely.
I miss Digs. I also really wish we didn't give up on Lowery.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 10:14:47 AM
I miss Digs. I also really wish we didn't give up on Lowery.
Both could probably help us right now.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2014, 10:58:18 AM
http://turnonthejets.com/2014/10/new-york-jets-rapidly-failing-culture-unnacountablity/ (http://turnonthejets.com/2014/10/new-york-jets-rapidly-failing-culture-unnacountablity/)
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By Joe Caporoso.
New York isn’t usually a market that has patience for sustained losing…or much of anything. Four straight non-playoff or non-winning seasons is usually more than enough to have everybody fed up with a constant variable in the equation of losing. In the case of the New York Jets, that hasn’t fully been the case. This article is a look at how the “Rex Ryan Jets” have reached a new low point in his 5.5 year tenure. The problems go beyond him but many of the most critical reasons the Jets have been a below average football team since a 2010 playoff win over New England are directly correlated to their coach.
Woody Johnson generally isn’t a popular owner among Jets fans and media members who cover the team. Owner is a tough thing to complain about because nobody is firing the owner, so spending too much time yelling about it seems senseless. To Johnson’s credit, he has hired three head coaches that brought the Jets to playoffs (Herman Edwards, Eric Mangini and Rex Ryan). He also hasn’t hesitated to spend money to improve the team throughout his tenure by regularly consenting to large contracts and upgrading the team’s practice facility. The Jets went in with the New York Giants for a new stadium and do offer non-PSL season tickets, something the Giants do not (as somebody who owns season tickets without a PSL this may matter more), if you did pay for a PSL this sentence probably falls on deaf ears.
However, there has been an odd ongoing hesitation to cleanly cut ties with problematic situations. This traces back to demoting previous General Manager Terry Bradway before the 2006 season but keeping him within the organization as a Senior Personnel Executive. How often do you see a NFL team fire their GM but keep him in the organization to scout? He is still with the team, despite them being on their second GM since he was demoted and self promoting himself with unprovable claims that make the organization look bad (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000092313/article/russell-wilson-coveted-by-one-new-york-jets-executive). The team’s current Director of College Scouting, Jeff Bauer, has been with the team since 2002 when Bradway’s regime hired him as an area scout. It is 2014.
We have seen similar situations when Rex Ryan and John Idzik were hired. When Ryan took over as the head coach, he lobbied to keep Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/rex-ryan-works-brian-schottenheimer-jets-article-1.421922). The logic at the time was keeping continuity on offense and that he wasn’t fully comfortable running that half of the team. When Idzik was hired, it was widely known that a prerequisite for taking the Jets GM job was keeping Ryan (http://nesn.com/2013/01/report-rex-ryans-job-safe-for-next-year-with-jets-general-manager-candidates-told-they-must-keep-coach/). This was an uncommon stipulation that kept many candidates away from the position. When you couple that with immediate pressure to trade the team’s injured best player (Darrelle Revis) because the owner and team’s front office had a broken relationship with his management, this wasn’t an easy situation to walk into. Idzik has done an uneven job at best in his limited time here and is creeping towards hot seat territory in many people’s mind, even though Mike Tannenbaum’s team started 1-8 in his second season and he lasted five more years.
Today, let’s focus on the coach who is now currently 43-45 overall here and steamrolling to his fourth straight non-playoff season. A common line of rhetoric from some fans and people looking at the team is basically this: Poor Rex. This team never gets him any support. This is a great coach. Go get him a good quarterback, offensive line, some receivers, a top flight running back, a bunch of corners and he can’t lose. Dump the GM. Dump the QB. Dump the OC. Help him out or let him walk and watch him rip off a bunch of Super Bowls in Atlanta or somewhere else.
There are shreds of truth in that line of rhetoric but also a ton of oversight, false victimizing and an enormous overrating of Ryan’s overall ability.
Ryan inherited a talented team in 2009 that was stocked up thanks to the drafts of Mike Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&id=5782180), along with their aggressive spending prior to 2008. Yes, the head coach was involved in the draft process with Tannenbaum (http://www.amazon.com/Collision-Low-Crossers-Turbulent-Football/dp/0316196797), just like he is under Idzik.
Cornerstones of that 2009 team were Nick Mangold, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brandon Moore, Thomas Jones, Brad Smith, Dustin Keller, Jerricho Cotchery, Calvin Pace and Shaun Ellis, who were all acquired before Rex got here. Post Rex, they supported this talent with Bart Scott, Braylon Edwards, Jim Leonhard, Marques Douglas and the 2009 draft class (three total players). They also whiffed on additions like Lito Sheppard and Donald Strickland (due to injury). Rex took this pre-made team, with the best offensive line in the NFL, 1,400 yard running back and a handful of key pieces on defense and got them to 7-7, while hiding his rookie quarterback. We all know what happened in 2009 and how the Jets managed to get in the playoffs. Rex then coached his derriere off for two straight road playoff wins before falling short in the 2009 AFC Championship Game.
In 2010, Rex was given the keys to a team good enough to win the Super Bowl. The core of the team was still Mangini/Tannenbaum acquisitions but they were supported by Rex/Tannenbaum acquisitions like Antonio Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, Matt Slauson, LaDainian Tomlinson and a few more. Quarterback Mark Sanchez was better than in 2009 and the Jets nearly did win the Super Bowl but showed up woefully unprepared for the AFC Championship Game.
That is where the successful part of this story ends. Collision Low Crossers (http://turnonthejets.com/2013/12/collision-low-crossers-review-must-read-jets-fans/) remains mandatory reading for any Jets fans or somebody who wants to debate Rex Ryan because of just how many problems it accurately foreshadowed for this team. Let’s look at the numbers since that year kicked off:
This was a team good enough to make the playoffs in 2011, who underachieved and tanked by losing their last three (two to non-playoff teams). It culminated with Rex’s hand picked captain, Santonio Holmes, getting thrown out of his huddle and Rex admitting “he lost the pulse of the team (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7415765/new-york-jets-rex-ryan-says-think-had-pulse-team).” As outlined in the previously mentioned book, the atmosphere around the entire team was toxic all season. To top it off, failed acquisitions and lack of draft success post Mangini began to show an effect. The logic behind adding Derrick Mason was that Rex could control him in the locker room and knew him well from his time in Baltimore (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/15/rex-ryan-thinks-derrick-mason-will-get-90-100-catches/). It didn’t work out and they lost Jerricho Cotchery in the process. In retrospect, the Ryan/Tannenbaum duo started off their time together by going 0/7 in the 2009 and 2010 NFL Draft. One of the those seven players are left, Kyle Wilson (a pick Rex was plenty in favor of (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/01/rex-ryan-hints-that-rob-ryan-wanted-kyle-wilson-in-cleveland/)), and if you have seen Wilson play you likely wish zero of those players were left.
- Two General Managers. Three Offensive Coordinators. Two primary starting quarterbacks. Two Defensive Coordinators.
- 23 wins. 33 losses. Twelve losses by 20 points or more (five of them to non-playoff teams, six if Buffalo doesn’t make it this season). Ten additional losses by 10 points or more (six of them to non-playoff teams).
- A 8-12 record against the AFC East, including losses by 19, 23 and 20 points to the Buffalo Bills, losses by 21 and 20 points to the Miami Dolphins and losses by 30 and 21 points to the New England Patriots.
- Three sideshow, “rock bottom” occurrences (The final game in 2011, the entire 2012 season (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8794261/new-york-jets-rex-ryan-probably-fired-woody-johnson-needs-change-coaching) and right now).
- One Head Coach.
Part of this is on Tannenbaum and now currently with Idzik for allowing Rex too much of a say in personnel manners. We saw this last season with Ed Reed, when his addition knocked ascending safety Antonio Allen out of the lineup and began a season long decline into the mess he is today. In less harmful situations, Rex publicly wanted John Conner, Tahj Boyd, and Scotty McKnight.
Yet, those aren’t killer moves. What has killed Rex Ryan is his inability to develop players, outside of defensive lineman and creating an environment that doesn’t support quarterback growth or offensive football.
Rex has repeatedly admitted to lacking an understanding of offense and has now had two quarterbacks flop under him. Why in the world would anybody give him another young quarterback? Rex can’t coach quarterbacks and so far has not put together a staff that can either. He left full autonomy for Mark Sanchez with Brian Schottenheimer and Matt Cavanaugh, outside of publicly implementing a “Red-Yellow-Green” system for him, then saying the team would throw more in 2011, then saying they were going back to the “Ground and Pound.” Throughout this time, the Jets also regularly ran The Wildcat, despite the league passing it by.
2012? Tannenbaum and Rex brought Tim Tebow in because they had to replace Brad Smith for The Wildcat. The new Offensive Coordinator, Tony Sparano, hired by Rex was best known for you guessed it? The Wildcat! After 2012 was a miserable failure (Rex gets minimal credit for getting 6 wins out of a 4 win roster, thanks to late season 1 point wins over Arizona and Jacksonville’s backups…there shouldn’t be a celebration of mediocrity), Rex moved on to Marty Mornhinweg. However, guess who his quarterback coach hire was? David Lee: Architect of The Wildcat. And yes, the Jets still run The Wildcat when it hasn’t been relevant in the NFL since 2008 and regularly use gadget plays for their backup quarterback…all these offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches later but still with the same offensively clueless Head Coach.
You think it is easy for a quarterback to grow in a culture dominated by defense and making sure the offense stays out of the way? Probably not (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/01/rex-ryan-hints-that-rob-ryan-wanted-kyle-wilson-in-cleveland/). It isn’t easy for an entire offense to grow. Rex is the Head Coach, he is responsible for the entire team, not just the defense. The point of the offense under Rex is to hide. (http://turnonthejets.com/2013/11/new-york-jets-recreation-football-week-12-passing-game-breakdown/)
The culture problems expand beyond the quarterback and offensive struggles. Rex Ryan’s Jets can’t handle success. They are 2-12 after their last 14 wins. Think about that stat and what it shows. This is a team that has won back to back games twice since the beginning of the 2012 season. They can be good enough to beat or compete with New England one week but then lose by 40 the next week to Cincinnati or 20 the next week to Buffalo. Is that talent or coaching? Rex can get his teams up when they are underdogs or when he feels like he has a personal vendetta against the quarterback (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning) but if he doesn’t respect the team or the quarterback or is reading his team’s own press clippings, they sleepwalk on to the field. Beyond that, if Rex respects the opposing team’s style of play too much and recognizes they can’t be bullied (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, even Tennessee) the team no shows. It leaves a small window of games the Jets seem prepared for.
The NFL is a league built for parity and competitive games. You shouldn’t be losing 22/33 games in a three season span by double digits, especially when they are routinely to non-playoff teams. You shouldn’t be losing to a Buffalo by 19 points or more for three straight seasons. We aren’t talking about New England, we are talking about Buffalo. Well coached teams don’t lose that routinely in that fashion.
The locker room issues present in 2011 have festered and still exist, with players complaining about a lack of team preparation (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/10/raw_emotion_or_not_demario_davis_was_being_honest_when_he_ripped_the_jets_practice_habits.html) and admitting they don’t prepare properly themselves (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/10/9/6951433/michael-vick-new-york-jets-scout-team). There is a general lack of accountability. You keep telling everybody you are practicing great, your players start to think they are practicing great even when you are losing every week and appear unprepared. You keep telling everybody how great everybody on your team is, nobody thinks there are any issues and you keep losing every week…and losing badly (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113504/article/mark-sanchez-situation-demands-honesty-from-rex-ryan-jets).
The Rex Ryan Jets are on a 3.5 year trend of being the exact same team. They are going to lose more than they win, frequently in blowout or embarrassing fashion. The situation is going to devolve into a complete mess roughly once every year. They are going to play bad offense. They aren’t going to force turnovers. They aren’t going to make in-game adjustments (as they have regularly been in the bottom half of the league in 3rd quarter scoring and points allowed). They aren’t going to develop much talent in-house. In Tannenbaum and Ryan’s four drafts, the team has developed three competent NFL players who aren’t defensive lineman: Jeremy Kerley, BIlal Powell (doesn’t play anymore) and Demario Davis…again that is it over the course of FOUR drafts. The early returns on the Idzik/Ryan drafts haven’t been promising either but then again Rex couldn’t develop Tannenbaum’s players, why would he be able to develop Idzik’s or another GM’s?
There is also going to be a stubborn lack of adjustments. The Jets are short on personnel but are coached like they still have Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie in their prime at corner. Rex would rather go down blitzing and getting beat repeatedly in the same way, rather than consistently stick with the zone heavy scheme that allowed them to be competitive against Denver and New England this season. There will also be regular time and sideline management issues with a ton of penalties.
In the right situation, Rex Ryan could be a successful NFL Head Coach. If he has an offensive coordinator who can basically function as a head coach for half of the team, along with a competent quarterback who is supported by an elite offensive line and running game and a veteran heavy presence throughout both sides of the ball, along with talented man-press corners. Unfortunately when there are this many prerequisites for success, it limits how good of an all around coach you really are.
I have no idea if John Idzik can pick a successful head coach. Nobody does. I do know Rex Ryan has performed poorly at his job for the past 3.5 seasons, with two different GMs, three different offensive coordinators, two different defensive coordinators, and two different quarterbacks. He was a good enough coach to win with Mark Sanchez, with Eric Mangini and Mike Tannenbaum’s roster but not a good enough coach to win with Mark Sanchez, with his and Mike Tannenbaum’s roster. So far, he isn’t a good enough coach to win with his and John Idzik’s roster. There is a constant there and it isn’t the GM.
Nobody wanted Idzik fired after 2013, while it was an open debate whether Rex should be brought back, just like it was after 2012…just like it will be after 2014. But are you really going to award four straight non-playoff seasons by giving a coach his third GM, third quarterback and potentially fourth offensive coordinator? Maybe the Jets will give him the Bradway treatment and demote him to defensive coordinator…
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2014, 11:54:16 AM
I mentioned practices a couple of years ago as a problem. As the team's talent declines, of course certain aspects of the team are going to look great. This year, Geno probably looked like Joe Montana in practice against this team's secondary. The LBs probably look great against the pass blocking. That doesn't mean these players are doing a good job.
It's depressing. I like Rex. I feel like he's "one of us" Jets fans. I want him to win with this team and be vindicated. The question is obviously whether it has any chance of happening. If not, then you have to cut bait (though I'd still happily keep him as DC). For now, I still believe in him. Let's see how I feel in a few weeks.
Post by: Johnny English on October 29, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
As a Rex supporter, that article hurts a bit. I can't really dispute it. You can interpret things differently such as: GMs needing to be better builders; Tanny handing away money like Halloween candy; Idzik holding it tighter than Ebenezer Scrooge; all leading to exceedingly declining rosters. In the end though, it does get tiring hearing how every week was "the best practice all year-we just didn't execute."
What else is he supposed to say? "I'm doing the best I can but honestly, can you tell me what anyone else could do better with this freaking shambles of a QB?" might be a more genuine answer, but it wouldn't do him any favours.
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2014, 12:14:49 PM
What else is he supposed to say? "I'm doing the best I can but honestly, can you tell me what anyone else could do better with this freaking shambles of a QB?" might be a more genuine answer, but it wouldn't do him any favours.
I never put any weight into press conference quotes like that from a coach. They're meaningless when they're winning then somehow become indictments when they're losing.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2014, 12:30:51 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 12:44:50 PM
Post by: Pope on October 29, 2014, 01:13:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 29, 2014, 01:19:34 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 01:23:38 PM
If Rex raves about how we practice I've learned to pencil that upcoming game as a blowout loss
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 2m2 minutes ago
Guess what? Jets had a good practice today, Rex said. #nyj
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
Q: Does Geno deserve another chance to start over the next two months?
Rex: "Let's just get through this game."
lol
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
If Rex raves about how we practice I've learned to pencil that upcoming game as a blowout loss
During the 2011 season when they were rallying to 8-5 I remember taking note of what he said about practice, and every week he said it was great, and they were winning, then he kept saying practice was great during that 3 game slide. I learned to ignore it after that.
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2014, 01:31:38 PM
The one thing I like about Rex are his gross exaggerations and his protection of anyone Jets related in the press conferences. I automatically knock people's intelligence a peg or two if they harp on his words. You have to be freaking stupid not to see what he tries to accomplish by deflecting criticism and his effusive praise.
"But Rex said they would win the Super Bowl and THEY DIDN'T HE IS THE WORST"
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
What else is he supposed to say? "I'm doing the best I can but honestly, can you tell me what anyone else could do better with this freaking shambles of a QB?" might be a more genuine answer, but it wouldn't do him any favours.
I know people don't always put much stock in body language and non-verbal cues like I do, but when he says it, he looks genuinely perplexed that the "great week of practice" didn't translate into results on the field on gameday. It's always been an indictment I've had of Rex: he always overvalues his practices.
Let's be honest, for all the "we had a great week of practice" Rex has said, Demario Davis--one of the clear leaders of the defense--specifically said there are guys who aren't giving enough effort in practice. Rex himself later disputed that notion.
So either Rex is completely delusional, or he's a pathological liar.
I'm the driver of one of the largest wagons on the Rex parade. That doesn't mean I have to be blind to his flaws.
The one thing I like about Rex are his gross exaggerations and his protection of anyone Jets related in the press conferences. I automatically knock people's intelligence a peg or two if they harp on his words. You have to be freaking stupid not to see what he tries to accomplish by deflecting criticism and his effusive praise.
FTR, I'm well aware that Rex deflects criticism and is always willing to take it upon himself rather than the spotlight be on his players or staff. That doesn't change the fact that at times this team looks completely unprepared for the game they're playing.
I'm not discussing whether he likes to "talk up" his guys. I'm talking about him having far too much confidence in his own preparation of the team.
And again, I've made this point in the past regarding practices. When you have seriously deficient units on the field, the moderately talented ones are going to look great against them. That doesn't mean the moderately talented units are going to play well against teams with actual talent.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
FTR, I'm well aware that Rex deflects criticism and is always willing to take it upon himself rather than the spotlight be on his players or staff. That doesn't change the fact that at times this team looks completely unprepared for the game they're playing.
I'm not discussing whether he likes to "talk up" his guys. I'm talking about him having far too much confidence in his own preparation of the team.
Almost every team has its games where they look unprepared and get the excrement kicked out of them. For the most part Rex has them ready to go and we're in the game, even this year six of the eight games have been tight, last year we won some of the close ones we didn't get so far this year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 01:52:38 PM
Rex said he has talked to Vick about the turnovers and improving in that area. #nyj
Problem solved.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
Almost every team has its games where they look unprepared and get the excrement kicked out of them. For the most part Rex has them ready to go and we're in the game, even this year six of the eight games have been tight, last year we won some of the close ones we didn't get so far this year.
I think my original point is being misunderstood.
Rex thinks he's having great practices. He thinks Geno Smith is progressing. Why?
His LBs probably dominate against the pass during practice. Big deal, the pass protection is lackluster. Geno is throwing well against this team's secondary? Wow. I'd be impressed if I didn't think this secondary would struggle against a college passing attack right now.
Sure enough, look at what Rex said this afternoon:
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From: @KMart_LI
Sent: Oct 29, 2014 2:21p
Rex: "We had a good practice. I always seem to say it. ...so hopefully it'll carry over into the game." #jets
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 02:03:21 PM
I think my original point is being misunderstood.
Rex thinks he's having great practices. He thinks Geno Smith is progressing. Why?
His LBs probably dominate against the pass during practice. Big deal, the pass protection is lackluster. Geno is throwing well against this team's secondary? Wow. I'd be impressed if I didn't think this secondary would struggle against a college passing attack right now.
Sure enough, look at what Rex said this afternoon:
I get your point. The coach's job is to run practice so I can see him putting more stock in it that he maybe should. That can probably be said for most coaches.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2014, 02:06:26 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 23m23 minutes agoI'd imagine benching Geno might not solve the problem, but has to improve it
Rex said he has talked to Vick about the turnovers and improving in that area. #nyj
Problem solved.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
I'd imagine benching Geno might not solve the problem, but has to improve it
Vick is a veteran so hopefully he can do a better job of hanging onto the ball. He's always been turnover prone too but the hope is he's learned a few more things in 14 years than Geno has in two.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 29, 2014, 02:17:04 PM
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 21s22 seconds ago
Q: Does Geno deserve another chance to start over the next two months?
Rex: "Let's just get through this game."
lol
Idzik: Team.......play like a Jet......get better every day.............sustained success"
(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/puppets-teamamerica-590x350.jpg)
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2014, 02:18:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2014, 02:47:38 PM
The one thing I like about Rex are his gross exaggerations and his protection of anyone Jets related in the press conferences. I automatically knock people's intelligence a peg or two if they harp on his words. You have to be freaking stupid not to see what he tries to accomplish by deflecting criticism and his effusive praise.
Agree x100
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2014, 04:46:12 PM
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/eric-decker-asks-fans-why-they-love-the-new-york-jets-102914
Post by: Libero_2 on October 29, 2014, 04:55:58 PM
Eric Decker is not a smart man.
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/eric-decker-asks-fans-why-they-love-the-new-york-jets-102914
He probably was questioning what the hell he was thinking signing here, and was hoping the fanbase would give him reasons to keep going. But that didn't work out...
Post by: Pope on October 29, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2014, 10:53:35 AM
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
It looked more like an enter to win something kind of deal. He's new here, I'm sure he meant no harm.
It was probably a publicist's idea. A lot of these guys don't even handle their own Twitter accounts.
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2014, 12:27:07 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/eric-decker-learns-it-doesnt-pay-to-be-nice-when-youre-1-7/
Post by: Miamipuck on October 30, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2014, 01:12:14 PM
There's a difference between ripping "haters" and fans. We love fans. Not haters...Not once did I say anything about the ripping fans?
Jessie James Decker @JessieJDecker · 2m2 minutes ago
We embrace the jets fans and couldn't be happier to be here! Things will look up!! The haters are another story.... Get it straight
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2014, 01:14:31 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 30, 2014, 01:41:59 PM
There's really only one way to resolve this. Naked pictures. You send me yours, I'll send you mine, fair trade and we can all be friends again.
Brett Favre approves this message.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Who do you play for? RT @ScottCantor1: @JessieJDecker @TalkJetsRadio Just stay out of it and go back to the kitchen
Post by: Miamipuck on October 30, 2014, 02:06:35 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
There comes a point in time where this stuff just isn't funny especially running your mouth at Decker's wife. That's just freaking stupid, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
The information age has its drawbacks.
Post by: Pope on October 30, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
Jessie James Decker @JessieJDecker · 8m8 minutes agoI freaking lolled
Who do you play for? RT @ScottCantor1: @JessieJDecker @TalkJetsRadio Just stay out of it and go back to the kitchen
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 30, 2014, 02:44:51 PM
There comes a point in time where this stuff just isn't funny especially running your mouth at Decker's wife. That's just freaking stupid, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
Seriously.
The thing that sucks is that Decker was trying to do something nice for the fans of this excrement team, and we have people acting like clowns. Like you said, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2014, 04:44:13 PM
There comes a point in time where this stuff just isn't funny especially running your mouth at Decker's wife. That's just freaking stupid, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
It appears he is. I've sent him Pope's details, I'm sure they'll be firm friends. They can compare knuckle plasters and laugh at each other's farts.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 30, 2014, 05:14:03 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 30, 2014, 06:11:18 PM
Post by: Pope on October 30, 2014, 06:21:28 PM
Go resume your dinner party with your WASP friends
Post by: guinness77 on November 01, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
Post by: guinness77 on November 01, 2014, 01:46:08 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 2m2 minutes agoWe talkin bout practice. Not tha game, not tha game, we talkin bout practice
Guess what? Jets had a good practice today, Rex said. #nyj
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 01, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
The information age has its drawbacks.
I agree whole completely- back in the day there was something nice but the unknown.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
Post by: dcm1602 on November 02, 2014, 06:36:37 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 5m5 minutes ago
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
lol, would be pretty hysterical if they can get a plane to fly around the stadium, or on one of the blimps or something.
Or equally hysterical if they can get any Jets players/ex Jets players to donate a decent chunk of change to the cause
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 5m5 minutes ago
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
Good.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2014, 06:53:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2014, 06:53:56 PM
This is the type of thing that keeps embarrassing franchises embarrassing.
John Idzik is the type of thing that keeps embarrassing franchises embarrassing.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
John Idzik is the type of thing that keeps embarrassing franchises embarrassing.If Woody fires a GM because of a billboard, we have enormous problems. Aside from that, it does nothing but take an enormous excrement on fans that are already in a sewer.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2014, 07:06:56 PM
If Woody fires a GM because of a billboard, we have enormous problems. Aside from that, it does nothing but take an enormous excrement on fans that are already in a sewer.
Woody won't fire the GM because of a billboard, but I see absolutely no reason why the fans shouldn't use every means available to them to make their feelings as to where the blame lies very clear. It's a lot better than sitting in two hundred dollar seats clapping like lobotomised seals as this pathetic excuse of a roster shambles its way to the franchise's worst finish in nearly twenty years.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 02, 2014, 08:10:27 PM
Woody won't fire the GM because of a billboard, but I see absolutely no reason why the fans shouldn't use every means available to them to make their feelings as to where the blame lies very clear. It's a lot better than sitting in two hundred dollar seats clapping like lobotomised seals as this pathetic excuse of a roster shambles its way to the franchise's worst finish in nearly twenty years.
Pointless exercise. If fans want to get Woody to fire Idzik they simply have to stop going to games, that will get his attention more easily than a billboard
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2014, 08:23:52 PM
Pointless exercise. If fans want to get Woody to fire Idzik they simply have to stop going to games, that will get his attention more easily than a billboard
So if they get a billboard to demonstrate their feelings they're shitty fans, but if they stop going to games they're good ones? That's some odd logic.
Anyway, it's not just Woody. I want (and I assume they do as well) Idzik to have to drive past that billboard on his way to work. Maybe he'll have the self respect to admit that he's way over his head and resign. He's Reggie McKenzie without the brain damage - except even Reggie wasn't stupid enough to pass on all those quarterbacks in the draft.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 02, 2014, 08:28:52 PM
Post by: klaximilian on November 02, 2014, 11:11:46 PM
Pointless exercise. If fans want to get Woody to fire Idzik they simply have to stop going to games, that will get his attention more easily than a billboard
BOYCOTT THE STEELERS GAME!!!
…..waitasecund.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2014, 10:21:14 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 5m5 minutes ago
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
Costello is pumping this thing up for whatever reason, I've seen much more coverage of this in the Post than it deserves for a bunch of schmucks wanting to put up a billboard. I know for a fact he's a Giants fan, I like him as a writer but I don't know why he's pushing this thing.
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
Costello is pumping this thing up for whatever reason, I've seen much more coverage of this in the Post than it deserves for a bunch of schmucks wanting to put up a billboard. I know for a fact he's a Giants fan, I like him as a writer but I don't know why he's pushing this thing.
Contrary to popular belief, beat writers want all of their local teams to do well. It results in increased national coverage for their stories and more opportunities to cover things like playoff games.
If he's pushing the billboard it's probably because he, like most are finally starting to, recognises that we have an amateur GM who's in over his head and making a bad team worse. The sooner he's replaced with someone who knows what he's doing, the sooner they'll have something a bit more optimistic to write about.
I doubt that Idzik's reticence to engage with the press has endeared him to the beat writers either.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2014, 10:35:32 AM
Contrary to popular belief, beat writers want all of their local teams to do well. It results in increased national coverage for their stories and more opportunities to cover things like playoff games.
If he's pushing the billboard it's probably because he, like most are finally starting to, recognises that we have an amateur GM who's in over his head and making a bad team worse. The sooner he's replaced with someone who knows what he's doing, the sooner they'll have something a bit more optimistic to write about.
I doubt that Idzik's reticence to engage with the press has endeared him to the beat writers either.
to your own point, "Idzik suckz!!!" gets way more readers/attention than "Idzik has a long term plan!"
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2014, 10:36:44 AM
Contrary to popular belief, beat writers want all of their local teams to do well. It results in increased national coverage for their stories and more opportunities to cover things like playoff games.
If he's pushing the billboard it's probably because he, like most are finally starting to, recognises that we have an amateur GM who's in over his head and making a bad team worse. The sooner he's replaced with someone who knows what he's doing, the sooner they'll have something a bit more optimistic to write about.
I doubt that Idzik's reticence to engage with the press has endeared him to the beat writers either.
I think the off season is more the GM's time to talk and the season is more about the coaches and players.
I'm glad it puts some focus on what Idzik has done to the roster rather than piling on Rex but it's still just a couple of guys doing this, which is why I don't get the amount of coverage. It's not some massive movement, it's probably less people than attend our tailgate which none of them cover. Not that they should, which is my point, it's a couple of fans.
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 05, 2014, 10:52:37 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2014, 11:37:27 AM
@BrianCoz A plane with "fire john Idzik" banner is circling the field #nyj
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz The guys who started http://firejohnidzik.com are not responsible for the plane #nyj
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 05, 2014, 11:39:34 AM
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2014, 11:42:57 AM
I have grown to really dislike the "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain" argument, but any of these people who participated in these costly "Fire Idzik" campaigns have given up any right to complain about ticket prices from now on.
I think I said this previously but this whole thing reeks of shmucks who bought PSLs and are now angry about it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2014, 11:54:02 AM
I think I said this previously but this whole thing reeks of shmucks who bought PSLs and are now angry about it.
Yup. Nothing makes you feel better about stupidly wasting money than stupidly wasting more money on essentially the same cause. That's how tit bars stay open.
Also:
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 17m17 minutes ago
I apologize to the 2012 season for calling it a circus.
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
Yup. Nothing makes you feel better about stupidly wasting money than stupidly wasting more money on essentially the same cause. That's how tit bars stay open.
I'd rather blow money on lap dances than a billboard though.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2014, 11:58:46 AM
I'd rather blow money on lap dances than a billboard though.
Never spent a dime on a billboard.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
In regards to fans out for blood to have a GM fired?
I can't even think of a time when I've seen a GM in the spotlights
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2014, 01:15:06 PM
Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
In regards to fans out for blood to have a GM fired?
I can't even think of a time when I've seen a GM in the spotlights
I think Chiefs(?) fans got a plane with a banner to fly over their stadium.
Found it: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/20499506/we-deserve-better-fire-pioli-bench-cassel-banner-now-flying-over-arrowhead-stadium
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
In regards to fans out for blood to have a GM fired?
I can't even think of a time when I've seen a GM in the spotlights
For most of our worst years we were the only team in the NFL without a GM. That changed when we hired Dick Steinberg after the 4-12 season in 1989, he hired Bruce Coslet and later replaced him with Pete Carroll. At the end of Carroll's first season Steinberg died of cancer, the fans who wanted (and got) Coslet's head a year earlier wanted (and got) Carroll's head. That's when Hess put Rich Kotite in charge of all football operations, later replaced by Bill Parcells.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2014, 01:32:52 PM
Rex on offense: "Right now, I feel good about where we are." #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 5m5 minutes ago
Rex clarifies he does not feel good about the offense being 32nd in passing. He's talking about talent they have now. #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 5m5 minutes ago
Rex jokes the plane tomorrow might have his name on it after fans hearing him say he feels good about the offense. #nyj
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2014, 09:30:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1uZDeMCUAE-FYl.jpg)
Post by: Laxin on November 06, 2014, 04:23:48 PM
CLoprestiWFAN: More on Cumberland: 254 routes, 28 targets, 15 catches, 1 TD (per @pff). Very underwhelming production. #NYJ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ymqswIMAEfrdc.jpg)
Self evaluation by coaches has been an area that this team has not excelled at in a while...
Post by: Libero_2 on November 06, 2014, 04:44:24 PM
That's 5.9% of his routes resulting in receptions for him.
That's got to be atrociously low across the whole league
Post by: Jumbo on November 08, 2014, 01:17:10 PM
Post by: Laxin on November 08, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGll87S98DA
Just saw this and was about to post the video...
Nothing frustrates me more as a fan than people thinking being a fan of a team that isnt doing well defines you as a person. IMO, sticking around and being a fan of a shitty team is a hell of a lot more defining than being a fair-weather fan of the a successful franchise.
Its pretty sad that this is what wearing any sort of Jets clothing gets you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2014, 04:02:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGll87S98DA
Pretty much did this all day today. Nothing negative, a couple people with "cmon Jets lets do something!". A few more acknowledged they were too embarrassed to wear their Jets stuff out of the house.
We did get heckled by a bunch of 12 year olds on the subway last night. They started a Titans chant so I question their general NFL knowledge.
Post by: Johnny English on November 08, 2014, 04:08:10 PM
Pretty much did this all day today. Nothing negative, a couple people with "cmon Jets lets do something!". A few more acknowledged they were too embarrassed to wear their Jets stuff out of the house.
We did get heckled by a bunch of 12 year olds on the subway last night. They started a Titans chant so I question their general NFL knowledge.
Yes. Yes, having met you that's exactly what I imagine 6'3" 200 lbs (I'm guessing) of drunk SFD doing when getting abuse from 12 year olds. "Excuse me, young men, but I question your knowledge of the National Football League and I suggest that you make efforts to improve it forthwith lest it adversely affect the quality of abuse that you aim at strangers on public transit."
Post by: dcm1602 on November 08, 2014, 04:09:28 PM
Didn't even realize this was poking fun at that
Post by: Koz on November 08, 2014, 05:06:37 PM
Pretty much did this all day today. Nothing negative, a couple people with "cmon Jets lets do something!". A few more acknowledged they were too embarrassed to wear their Jets stuff out of the house.
We did get heckled by a bunch of 12 year olds on the subway last night. They started a Titans chant so I question their general NFL knowledge.
Those 12 year olds owned us.
Post by: MBGreen on November 08, 2014, 05:33:04 PM
Those 12 year olds owned us.Coupled with your boss
Post by: Jumbo on November 11, 2014, 12:05:11 AM
Some of these people would probably be upgrades over Geno
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2014, 06:40:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmIweiq_j0
Some of these people would probably be upgrades over Geno
Taking snaps under center is hard.
Post by: Jumbo on November 13, 2014, 08:43:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Patriots/status/533077426231078912
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2014, 08:47:09 PM
Post by: klaximilian on November 13, 2014, 08:49:35 PM
not really NYJ related but this is hilarious
https://twitter.com/Patriots/status/533077426231078912
That's amazing.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 13, 2014, 09:32:34 PM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2014, 09:33:47 PM
What was it?
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=1284.msg107895#msg107895
Post by: Libero_2 on November 14, 2014, 05:31:04 AM
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=1284.msg107895#msg107895
Bwahaha
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2014, 10:28:32 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 14, 2014, 10:42:32 AM
Post by: Pope on November 14, 2014, 01:56:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
"Monday, McDougle said on his Instagram page that he's been cleared to start running again as he continues his recovery."
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2014, 09:59:36 AM
Dexter McDougle-
"Monday, McDougle said on his Instagram page that he's been cleared to start running again as he continues his recovery."
Great. I really hope he can contribute next year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 18, 2014, 11:19:56 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
He can run? Put him in the game, he's probably already better than anyone else we have playing CB.
I don't think our corners have been atrocious in the last couple of games. Walls and Marcus Williams are both mediocre at best, but as long as they're not trying to play tight man coverage and as long as they have safety support, they're not horribly embarrassed the way the secondary was being earlier in the season.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 18, 2014, 11:37:42 AM
I don't think our corners have been atrocious in the last couple of games. Walls and Marcus Williams are both mediocre at best, but as long as they're not trying to play tight man coverage and as long as they have safety support, they're not horribly embarrassed the way the secondary was being earlier in the season.
Yeah, somehow they held Rothlisberger in check. I was too busy enjoying the crowd around me to notice a lot of the details of who was doing what.
#KeepRex
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2014, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 18, 2014, 11:47:52 AM
He can run? Put him in the game, he's probably already better than anyone else we have playing CB.
Haha, that's exactly what I thought when I read that!
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
Walls hasn't played since the last BUF game, but Williams has been solid.
Are you sure? Who was playing on the other side v Pitt? Was Allen back?
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2014, 11:50:25 AM
Are you sure? Who was playing on the other side v Pitt? Was Allen back?
http://www.nfl.com/player/joshthomas/2508121/profile
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 18, 2014, 01:31:34 PM
I watched the game and I have no idea who that is.
You and everyone else.
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2014, 01:42:51 PM
You and everyone else.
Idzik doesn't even know who he is. Thomas just showed up at practice one day and nobody ever told him to leave.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 18, 2014, 02:02:24 PM
Idzik doesn't even know who he is. Thomas just showed up at practice one day and nobody ever told him to leave.
He's the Jets version of Jesse Pinkman.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 18, 2014, 02:03:55 PM
"But I don't even really work here."
"That's what makes this so difficult."
Post by: dcm1602 on November 18, 2014, 04:16:01 PM
Yeah, somehow they held Rothlisberger in check. I was too busy enjoying the crowd around me to notice a lot of the details of who was doing what.Not even I am breaking out the keep Rex stuff.
#KeepRex
The guys got to go, sticking with Geno as long as he did doomed him to fail.
The only way he gets a pass is if Idzik absolutely forced it on him. In which case Rex should leave
Eitherway he doesn't belong here next year, the guy can't coach a competent offense. And offense is exponentially more important on Goodell s league
Post by: insanity on November 18, 2014, 04:47:24 PM
Not even I am breaking out the keep Rex stuff.
The guys got to go, sticking with Geno as long as he did doomed him to fail.
The only way he gets a pass is if Idzik absolutely forced it on him. In which case Rex should leave
Eitherway he doesn't belong here next year, the guy can't coach a competent offense. And offense is exponentially more important on Goodell s league
Do you purposefully contradict yourself?
Post by: dcm1602 on November 18, 2014, 05:01:48 PM
Do you purposefully contradict yourself?I said Rex doesn't belong here either way.
Post by: Pope on November 18, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 18, 2014, 06:30:34 PM
I like Rex. If the team is still playing hard for him and we sort out our offensive woes I'd like for him to stay. He's been dealt a really shitty hand with the roster this year.Let me ask you this
If you want Rex to stay that either means you have faith in the development of Geno Smith, or believe Rex can groom the 3rd new young QB under him.
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2014, 06:36:33 PM
Let me ask you this
If you want Rex to stay that either means you have faith in the development of Geno Smith, or believe Rex can groom the 3rd new young QB under him.
No, it means he believes Marty Mornhinweg can. Which is somewhat less ridiculous.
Then of course there's the matter of his input when selecting a QB - we know Marty wanted Geno which casts some doubt on his judgement there.
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2014, 06:36:59 PM
Let me ask you this
If you want Rex to stay that either means you have faith in the development of Geno Smith, or believe Rex can groom the 3rd new young QB under him.
I'd like to see what Rex can do with a talented young quarterback.
Tell me this. Do you believe that any coach in the league could have turned Geno Smith into a legitimate NFL starter?
Post by: dcm1602 on November 18, 2014, 06:55:05 PM
I'd like to see what Rex can do with a talented young quarterback.No, but I believe one could have turned Sanchez into one.
Tell me this. Do you believe that any coach in the league could have turned Geno Smith into a legitimate NFL starter?
Sanchez could be the biography on how to not groom a QB
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
No, but I believe one could have turned Sanchez into one.
Sanchez could be the biography on how to not groom a QB
Do we have to do this all over again? It's my recollection that it wasn't Rex who traded away the entire receiving corps and decided that Wayne Hunter was capable of playing in the NFL.
It was Rex who thought that Schottenheimer and particularly Sparano were good choices for OC, and that's a black mark against him. It seems a shame though to take a talented rookie head coach, let him spend the first five years of his career making mistakes, and then ditch him so that someone else can take advantage of those lessons. It really all depends upon whether Rex has learned, but I think he's not so lacking in self awareness.
If we all think that Mornhinweg is at least moderately capable as an OC, and I think that that is an opinion largely shared by most, then I think there's a pretty good argument for keeping Rex.
Post by: Pope on November 18, 2014, 07:40:22 PM
Post by: Pope on November 18, 2014, 07:42:26 PM
Post by: insanity on November 18, 2014, 10:24:17 PM
I said Rex doesn't belong here either way.
exactly...
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
http://nyjets.about.com/od/News-and-Notes/fl/Kevin-Mawae-former-Jets-center-is-a-Hall-of-Fame-semifinalist.htm
Post by: Miamipuck on November 19, 2014, 10:48:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 19, 2014, 10:48:29 AM
Quarterback Kurt Warner, running back Edgerrin James, receiver Isaac Bruce, receiver Torry Holt, offensive tackle Orlando Pace, linebacker Junior Seau, running back Jerome Bettis, running back Terrell Davis, receiver Tim Brown, running back Roger Craig, receiver Marvin Harrison, offensive lineman Joe Jacoby, defensive tackle Mike Kenn and offensive lineman Will Shields, Kicker Morten Anderson, cornerback Ty Law, coach Tony Dungy, defensive back Steve Atwater, safety John Lynch, safety Darren Woodson, linebacker Kevin Greene, linebacker Karl Macklenburg, defensive end Charles Haley, coach Jimmy Johnson and coach Don Coryell.
Got to think that Harrison, Anderson and Dungy make it in. Tim Brown should but I have a feeling he has already been overlooked a couple of times already and maybe they just aren't going to put him in.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 19, 2014, 10:50:35 AM
Look at the list of contenders though:
Quarterback Kurt Warner, running back Edgerrin James, receiver Isaac Bruce, receiver Torry Holt, offensive tackle Orlando Pace, linebacker Junior Seau, running back Jerome Bettis, running back Terrell Davis, receiver Tim Brown, running back Roger Craig, receiver Marvin Harrison, offensive lineman Joe Jacoby, defensive tackle Mike Kenn and offensive lineman Will Shields, Kicker Morten Anderson, cornerback Ty Law, coach Tony Dungy, defensive back Steve Atwater, safety John Lynch, safety Darren Woodson, linebacker Kevin Greene, linebacker Karl Macklenburg, defensive end Charles Haley, coach Jimmy Johnson and coach Don Coryell.
Got to think that Harrison, Anderson and Dungy make it in. Tim Brown should but I have a feeling he has already been overlooked a couple of times already and maybe they just aren't going to put him in.
Harrison is known as a queynte, I am sure he will get some spite voters and may not be a first ballot guy. Otherwise, there are some impressive players ahead of him, Mawae isn't a first ballot type as much as I would like him to be.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2014, 10:55:59 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 19, 2014, 10:58:47 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 19, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
I think there are 3 legitimate 1st ballot guys (just players), Pace, Seau and Warner. I am not sure if the committee would do that though.
I don't see how Morten Anderson isn't a first ballot.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2014, 11:10:29 AM
I don't see how Morten Anderson isn't a first ballot.
because he's a kicker
Post by: Miamipuck on November 19, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
because he's a kicker
It only took arguably the best all around kicker ever, Ray Guy, 30+ years.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2014, 11:35:31 AM
I don't see how Morten Anderson isn't a first ballot.He's probably still mulling a comeback.
Post by: Johnny English on November 19, 2014, 11:44:32 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 19, 2014, 04:53:58 PM
But I think 3 rams, Seau, Bettis and possibly law all get in before he gets "serious" consideration.
Post by: Tommy on November 19, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
And Sanchez didn't have it all that bad either. He had an all-decade offensive line for two years and a pretty good set of receiver talent for a few years. Sure Braylon and Holmes went to excrement and Cotchery left town but the talent was never the problem. Sanchez's problem was his head. He made idiotic decisions with the football.
We ruined his development by not giving him elite receivers every season.
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Post by: Badger on November 19, 2014, 09:11:07 PM
We ruined his development by not giving him elite receivers every season.
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How could we? We never had any high draft picks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 21, 2014, 12:10:39 PM
Quote
From: @KMart_LI
Sent: Nov 21, 2014 8:54a
"If you want to let him build this team, then let him build": #Jets players want Rex Ryan back, via @BobGlauber http://t.co/e6v0ZrJ2Aj (http://t.co/e6v0ZrJ2Aj)
Post by: MBGreen on November 21, 2014, 12:12:56 PM
Players want to #KeepRex:
of course they do....he runs a country club atmosphere.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 21, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
of course they do....he runs a country club atmosphere.
Did you read the article?
The three specific players who spoke were D'Brick, Richardson, and Davis. Even if you discount Brick for diminished play, it's hard to say a bad word about Richardson or Davis and Davis was already vocal about practice ethic. If he's not blaming Rex, I find it hard to do so myself.
Post by: MBGreen on November 21, 2014, 01:00:02 PM
Did you read the article?
The three specific players who spoke were D'Brick, Richardson, and Davis. Even if you discount Brick for diminished play, it's hard to say a bad word about Richardson or Davis and Davis was already vocal about practice ethic. If he's not blaming Rex, I find it hard to do so myself.
lol the article.
Of course i read it, but i've learned not to take anything at face value anymore.
Besides....the players' value to this roster doesn't correlate to the atmosphere Rex provides for this team.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 21, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
Bills now on buses on way to airport to fly to Detroit, per source. Surprisingly, they were able to round up all coaches and all 53 players.
Now we're in trouble.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 21, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
lol the article.
Of course i read it, but i've learned not to take anything at face value anymore.
Besides....the players' value to this roster doesn't correlate to the atmosphere Rex provides for this team.
Well, there's the difference between us. I don't see a problem with the atmosphere Rex creates for this team, in fact, I approve of it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 21, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
Well, there's the difference between us. I don't see a problem with the atmosphere Rex creates for this team, in fact, I approve of it.
Funny how the atmosphere wasn't a problem when we had better players.
Post by: Pope on November 21, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2014, 09:42:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/3EUSMuj.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2014, 08:42:06 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/25/7290709/rex-ryan-expects-fired-jets-john-idzik (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/25/7290709/rex-ryan-expects-fired-jets-john-idzik)
Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2014, 08:46:56 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/rex-ryan-not-allowed-to-talk-about-visiting-sick-dad-buddy-on-bye-141024935.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/rex-ryan-not-allowed-to-talk-about-visiting-sick-dad-buddy-on-bye-141024935.html)
Post by: Ornstein on November 26, 2014, 08:59:58 AM
Say what you will about Rex but he gave the fans something to root for his first few seasons here. I hope he does go to TV. He has the perfect personality for it.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 26, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Hopefully both are gone when it's all over
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 26, 2014, 10:45:02 AM
Ryan vs. Idzik will be interesting
Hopefully both are gone when it's all over
You know my feelings, but the only way I am even remotely ok with Rex being gone is if Idzik and his entire scouting department are gone with him.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2014, 10:48:28 AM
You know my feelings, but the only way I am even remotely ok with Rex being gone is if Idzik and his entire scouting department are gone with him.
You might as well get past that, because Idzik will be here next year.
Post by: Laxin on November 26, 2014, 09:47:42 PM
You might as well get past that, because Idzik will be here next year.
If the stories about Idzik purposefully sabotaging this season to fire Rex have any truth to them, its hard to picture Idzik not getting canned for such a conniving thing (on top of just doing his job poorly).
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 09:52:15 PM
If the stories about Idzik purposefully sabotaging this season to fire Rex have any truth to them, its hard to picture Idzik not getting canned for such a conniving thing (on top of just doing his job poorly).
I swear I recall someone on this board being mocked for saying that months ago
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2014, 10:07:12 PM
If the stories about Idzik purposefully sabotaging this season to fire Rex have any truth to them, its hard to picture Idzik not getting canned for such a conniving thing (on top of just doing his job poorly).
I'm pretty sure those stories are complete fabrications. I'm not defending Idzik, i want him gone....but let's be serious here.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2014, 10:44:31 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
Still doesn't make any sense. Why would a GM sabotage a season to fire a HC? If Rex does well it only makes the GM look good. Rex doing poorly reflects badly on Idzik. This makes zero sense. I doubt anyone would risk their career just to get a guy fired when he could've done so himself.
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Rex was forced on him. It makes sense that Idzik wouldnt want to keep a HC that he never wanted in the first place. I mean remember Idzik is all about being "quiet and secretive" Rex is pretty much the exact opposite of that. Not to mention Rex's track record with offense has basically been horrendous, and considering the direction this league is going in It makes a ton of sense for a GM to prefer an offensive minded HC.
Plus Rex always was a fan favorite, so letting go of a guy that both the fans and owner love wouldnt exactly be easy.
Its pretty clear that (if this was his actual plan) that his plans didnt go well. Sure were on track for a good draft pick and to fire Rex, but Idzik has also looked wildly incompetent at times and is getting absolutely murdered by the media who simply dont like him or his ways.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2014, 11:17:02 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 11:23:43 PM
But why wouldn't Idzik want the team to do well? If he gave Rex good players, and Rex wins, why would he want Rex out even if he was forced on him? I think he'd have more of a reason to fire Rex if he had given him decent players and Rex still lost.
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Im sure he would want the team to do well
But the Jets were only mediocre under Rex 3 years in a row not doing well, with some significant dysfunction.
If you were a secretive guy like Idzik would you want a HC who hasnt had a winning record in 3 seasons, has shown incompetence in developing an offense, and is constantly in the media spotlight?
If he thought Rex would make this team good hed keep him. But Rex has been mediocre for a few yearss
Post by: Laxin on November 26, 2014, 11:45:59 PM
I'm pretty sure those stories are complete fabrications. I'm not defending Idzik, i want him gone....but let's be serious here.
I dont believe the story yet, but if it picks up steam and more excrement leaks out, then Id have to think twice about it. The whole scenario seems like a poor attempt at a soap opera, but with the Jets, nothing will surprise me anymore.
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
But why wouldn't Idzik want the team to do well? If he gave Rex good players, and Rex wins, why would he want Rex out even if he was forced on him? I think he'd have more of a reason to fire Rex if he had given him decent players and Rex still lost.
Steel doesn't melt at that temperature!
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 27, 2014, 05:26:36 AM
Post by: insanity on November 27, 2014, 07:30:41 AM
But why wouldn't Idzik want the team to do well? If he gave Rex good players, and Rex wins, why would he want Rex out even if he was forced on him? I think he'd have more of a reason to fire Rex if he had given him decent players and Rex still lost.
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I don't believe this is true, but this team needs a lot of help which will come from the draft. Presumably the worse the jets do the better draft picks they get, meaning better players (presumably). Keeping Rex gives idzik this ammo without his new coach starting his career off on a losing record.
It's a lot easy to lead a team when you're first year is a success rather than a 4-12 failure.
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2014, 07:47:31 AM
What's with the KKK avatars?
Read the Ferguson thread. Or do yourself a favour and don't.
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2014, 10:23:04 AM
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152442164221231
Post by: Jetaho on December 03, 2014, 10:05:05 AM
At least we don't suck at everything.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152442164221231
Looking at the comments makes me sad. Jets fans can be such assholes.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 03, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
Lately I've wanted to punch everyone in the face who even mentions the Jets to me.
I was like that in 2012.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 03, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2014, 01:36:50 PM
For Rex, winning trumps player development right now. "I want to win. I don't want to be 2-14, I can tell you that much." #jets
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 22m22 minutes ago
Ryan stressing winning over player evaluation: "I don't want to be 2-14, I can tell you that much." #nyj
i have a problem with this. Nothing should trump player development right now. Sorry Rex.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 03, 2014, 01:38:13 PM
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 21m21 minutes ago
For Rex, winning trumps player development right now. "I want to win. I don't want to be 2-14, I can tell you that much." #jets
i have a problem with this. Nothing should trump player development right now. Sorry Rex.
Who do we even have to develop?
Dakota Dozier and IK Enemkpali are really the only players I can think of.
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
Who do we even have to develop?
Dakota Dozier and IK Enemkpali are really the only players I can think of.
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Oh right....I forgot most of our draft class was either cut or on the IR.
I just disagreed with the mentality. I get that he's trying to get a win, but i think it's important to see what our younger players can offer going forward into the next season (eg Matt Simms)
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
Who do we even have to develop?
Dakota Dozier and IK Enemkpali are really the only players I can think of.
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Doesn't matter, Rex can't develop something something something
Post by: Miamipuck on December 03, 2014, 01:43:42 PM
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Huh
Sounds like Jace Amaro will miss another game.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
Doesn't matter, Rex can't develop something something something
Not true...he's developed some entertaining quips at the podium.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 03, 2014, 02:55:59 PM
Beyond that, why should Rex do anything but try to win? First of all, the players want to win. They're not concerned with draft position like some fans are. Second, Rex is likely assuming he's getting fired so why should he give a damn about player evaluation for guys who he won't be coaching a month from now? Lastly, Rex has whatever is left of his reputation to uphold. If this team never gives up on him he can at least take that forward on any future interviews.
The idea that he should sacrifice attempts at winning is laughable at best.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 03, 2014, 05:24:59 PM
Huh
Pryor and Amaro aren't going be inactive like Dozier and Enemkpali.
Post by: Johnny English on December 03, 2014, 06:12:42 PM
A.J. Edds signed by the Jaguars today. #NYJ waived rookie LB Jeremiah George to keep Edds on 9/1. Both with Jacksonville now.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2014, 06:16:32 PM
Chris Lopresti @CLoprestiWFAN 14m14 minutes ago
A.J. Edds signed by the Jaguars today. #NYJ waived rookie LB Jeremiah George to keep Edds on 9/1. Both with Jacksonville now.
Our logo for You Don't Know Football should've been Idzik's face.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 03, 2014, 06:24:16 PM
Our logo for You Don't Know Football should've been Idzik's face.Imagine how good our guys must be if they beat out stars like A.J. Edds and Jeremiah George for roster spots.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2014, 06:26:11 PM
Imagine how good our guys must be if they beat out stars like A.J. Edds and Jeremiah George for roster spots.
I wonder if they catch INTs like Calvin Pace.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2014, 10:03:45 AM
Post by: IATA on December 07, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on December 07, 2014, 10:51:07 AM
Schefter- Jets' management fully aware of the unhappiness about GM John Idzik both outside and inside the organization.If we could walk away from the Idzik era with a hot ticket offensive head coach, top 3 draft pick, a promising GM, and a billion dollars in cap space. That wouldn't be so bad.
The interesting thing about all this is that everyone praised Woody for going and getting an outside scouting firm to help him get the best GM possible.
I'd imagine how much worse we'd look if Idzik was his personal hire
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 07, 2014, 01:51:49 PM
Schefter- Jets' management fully aware of the unhappiness about GM John Idzik both outside and inside the organization.
Who the hell is "management?" When I hear that term in sports I think FO personnel, primarily the GM.
What's Idzik going to do now that he realizes fans, players and coaches hate him? Fire everyone? Lord knows he won't resign of his own accord
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2014, 01:53:58 PM
Who the hell is "management?"
The Illuminati
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2014, 02:12:24 PM
Who the hell is "management?" When I hear that term in sports I think FO personnel, primarily the GM.
What's Idzik going to do now that he realizes fans, players and coaches hate him? Fire everyone? Lord knows he won't resign of his own accord
"Idzik fires self. News at 11."
Post by: Laxin on December 07, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
/conspiracies
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 07, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on December 08, 2014, 02:32:03 PM
LOL, why the Niners hate in Alaska and Hawaii?
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
I am proud to be the most consistently bad team on that map.
LOL, why the Niners hate in Alaska and Hawaii?
Alaska probably falls under Seattle fandom by default. I can't think of a good reason for Hawaii.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 08, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
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From: @SethWalderNYDN
Sent: Dec 8, 2014 3:34p
Richardson on fans that have given up on Geno Smith: "They're quitters." #nyj
Thanks Sheldon. Now GFY.
I love this guy on the field, but he's got a mighty big mouth. Geno sucks. That's not a quitter's attitude, it just means we still have some functionality left in our eyes.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 08, 2014, 04:09:58 PM
Thanks Sheldon. Now GFY.
I love this guy on the field, but he's got a mighty big mouth. Geno sucks. That's not a quitter's attitude, it just means we still have some functionality left in our eyes.
Sheldon is a loyal mother fucker. He knows Geno is a freaking disaster, but he is on his team so he will have his back. He will have his back in the media all the way. Sheldon and Rex are extremely similar personality wise.
Post by: insanity on December 08, 2014, 05:42:31 PM
Thanks Sheldon. Now GFY.
I love this guy on the field, but he's got a mighty big mouth. Geno sucks. That's not a quitter's attitude, it just means we still have some functionality left in our eyes.
He may talk slot but he's never said anything inappropriate.
Post by: Pope on December 08, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 08, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
Guy plays his derriere off every single game and takes losing personally. He's extremely frustrated. He can, and should, get away with this because he is everything you want a player to be on the football field, both in terms of ability and effort.
I don't really care what he says. He could tell all the fans to go screw themselves and I really wouldn't care if he plays the way he does.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2014, 05:58:47 PM
Lol what is he gonna say "you guys are right that nigga trash"I'd buy his jersey if he did.
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2014, 06:22:47 PM
Lol what is he gonna say "you guys are right that nigga trash"
"Sucks more dick than Michael Sam"
Post by: casman02 on December 08, 2014, 09:05:30 PM
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 2m2 minutes ago
Jets STC Thomas McGaughey tells Houston FOX 26 he's "very interested" in U of Houston HC vacancy. Ex-asst coach at UH, his alma mater. #nyj
oh no. please dont go
Post by: Miamipuck on December 08, 2014, 10:46:28 PM
oh no. please dont go
I was gonna fix your post but why bother with the obvious sarcasm.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 09, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
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From: @BobGlauber
Sent: Dec 9, 2014 12:09p
Thank you, Bill Polian. "@MBGreen_JO: Mariota is another system QB, no thanks. Do your homework, Glauber. #nyjets”
sent via Twitter for iPhone in reply to @MBGreen_JO
Post by: Miamipuck on December 09, 2014, 11:27:42 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 09, 2014, 11:30:50 AM
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
Bwahahahaahahaah!!!
Screenshot for historical purposes:
(http://i.imgur.com/LNyx90z.png)
Post by: IATA on December 09, 2014, 12:22:06 PM
Geno Smith (8 pick-6s in 2 yrs) has given away as many TDs as any player has scored for the Jets over that span. Ivory has 8 TDs. #nyj
:(
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 09, 2014, 12:25:08 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 1m1 minute ago
Geno Smith (8 pick-6s in 2 yrs) has given away as many TDs as any player has scored for the Jets over that span. Ivory has 8 TDs. #nyj
:(
I just threw up a little.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 09, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
Screenshot for historical purposes:
(http://i.imgur.com/LNyx90z.png)
MBPolian
Post by: IATA on December 09, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2014, 12:40:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2014, 12:40:32 PM
you're gonna frame that and put it in your cave, aren't you?
t-shirt being designed as i'm typing this.
Post by: IATA on December 09, 2014, 12:44:04 PM
*edit*
and mine
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2014, 03:38:45 PM
Marcus Mariota: 6-4, 219 pounds. Career stats: 101 TD passes, 12 INTs, 28 rushing TDs. A system quarterback? That's some system!
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2014, 03:46:34 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 09, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
How did that QB fare in the NFL?
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2014, 03:51:29 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 09, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
Our beat writers are the worst
straight up trash.
Post by: Laxin on December 09, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
98td's and 12 interceptions with 4 rushing td's...........that's some system.
How did that QB fare in the NFL?
Mariota is a lot better at everything than Geno, especially decision making... But there are certainly things to be worried about, and the system is one of them.
Id be confident Harbaugh could mold him into a quality QB though.
Question... better prospect- RGIII or Mariota?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 09, 2014, 06:44:58 PM
Bob Glauber @BobGlauber 52s53 seconds ago
Marcus Mariota: 6-4, 219 pounds. Career stats: 101 TD passes, 12 INTs, 28 rushing TDs. A system quarterback? That's some system!
Apparently he doesn't know how a system works...
Post by: Heismanberg on December 09, 2014, 06:45:31 PM
Mariota is a lot better at everything than Geno, especially decision making... But there are certainly things to be worried about, and the system is one of them.
Id be confident Harbaugh could mold him into a quality QB though.
Question... better prospect- RGIII or Mariota?
RG3
And Mariota rarely has to make his own decisions.
Post by: Cane on December 09, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
Mariota is a lot better at everything than Geno, especially decision making... But there are certainly things to be worried about, and the system is one of them.
Id be confident Harbaugh could mold him into a quality QB though.
Question... better prospect- RGIII or Mariota?
RGIII, but Mariota is a better prospect/is more developed than Kaepernick was.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2014, 08:41:15 PM
Bob Glauber @BobGlauber 52s53 seconds ago
Marcus Mariota: 6-4, 219 pounds. Career stats: 101 TD passes, 12 INTs, 28 rushing TDs. A system quarterback? That's some system!
The responses about Geno's college stats were pretty much the perfect counter to this
My initial thought was Tebow, but Geno works too
Post by: NDMick on December 09, 2014, 10:14:12 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 09, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
freak this QB class
Why?
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2014, 10:45:36 PM
Why?rape system system rape rape character system only 2 picks though
Post by: Jumbo on December 09, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Why?
I don't like Jameis he freak her right in the hoo-ha too much
Post by: Koz on December 10, 2014, 07:50:57 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 10, 2014, 07:53:28 AM
Is "JO" for jerkoff?
You're here so yeah.
Post by: Koz on December 10, 2014, 08:18:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2014, 08:24:53 AM
I truly do miss my football friends.
Don't worry...Tommy will be home soon.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 10, 2014, 08:27:16 AM
Don't worry...Tommy will be home soon.
Hahaha Koz is chomping at the bit over that.
Post by: Koz on December 11, 2014, 08:00:18 AM
Doesn't sound promising for either of the guys right now:
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2014, 10:40:59 AM
http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/outside-the-draft-what-are-some-options-at-qb-for-the-jets/
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 3m3 minutes ago
Jessie James Decker announced she's having a concert at halftime of Jets-Patriots game on Dec. 21 at MetLife Stadium #nyj
This will not go great.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
Oh lawdMight as well follow her on Twitter now for the post-show angry rant she'll probably have.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 3m3 minutes ago
Jessie James Decker announced she's having a concert at halftime of Jets-Patriots game on Dec. 21 at MetLife Stadium #nyj
This will not go great.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2014, 12:32:08 PM
Depressing.My favorite options that seem realistic outside the draft are Bradford and Griffin. Both could be available at a relative discount, and both have the ability to be the long-term answer. Obviously, it's hard to put a ton of faith in either one, but if the Jets don't want to draft Winston or Mariota, they can spend a mid-round pick on a QB and hope that Griffin or Bradford develops.
http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/outside-the-draft-what-are-some-options-at-qb-for-the-jets/
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2014, 01:19:21 PM
My favorite options that seem realistic outside the draft are Bradford and Griffin. Both could be available at a relative discount, and both have the ability to be the long-term answer. Obviously, it's hard to put a ton of faith in either one, but if the Jets don't want to draft Winston or Mariota, they can spend a mid-round pick on a QB and hope that Griffin or Bradford develops.
St. Louis said today that Bradford is in their future plans, so he's likely out. I would worry Griffin would never play 16 games.
I know a lot of guys are high on Winston and a lot of media guys are high on Mariota, but I think the answer right now is: forget having a decent QB next year. Maybe we'll have suffer another year of Geno.
Kiper said today that there isn't a franchise QB available in the draft. He also said the Jets should choose between Mariota and Winston. I think that's a bad idea. Unless you are certain you can mold the one you pick into a franchise QB, you shouldn't waste the pick. Rex just mentioned earlier that a few years ago the choice with their pick was between Harvin and Sanchez. Who knows where we'd be today had they made the Harvin pick.
I'd rather pick other positions (and trade down) that fill other needs next year. No QB we bring in from any available method will make this a playoff team. So rather than putting everything into a guy who is going to get beat into the ground (yet again) fill in the team around the QB position and if you see one next year that is a "must have" trade up for him.
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
Kiper said today that there isn't a franchise QB available in the draft.
I wish Kiper and his ilk would stop perpetuating this nonsense. They said the same thing about the 2014 class too. It's like the 2012 QB class made everyone retarded because all I keep hearing is "there's no Andrew Luck in this draft class." There were no QBs of that caliber between 1998 and 2012 and plenty of teams that drafted QBs during that gap did just fine. As if teams should just wait for the next pro-style, P5, 6'4"+, 230+ lb son of a former NFL QB to come around.
Not to mention the complete distortion of what "franchise QB" means. Is he your unquestioned starter? Then he's a franchise QB.
I'd rather pick other positions (and trade down) that fill other needs next year. No QB we bring in from any available method will make this a playoff team. So rather than putting everything into a guy who is going to get beat into the ground (yet again) fill in the team around the QB position and if you see one next year that is a "must have" trade up for him.
This is certainly a possibility, but there's always the "my guy" factor that new regimes tend to have.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2014, 02:38:06 PM
I wish Kiper and his ilk would stop perpetuating this nonsense. They said the same thing about the 2014 class too. It's like the 2012 QB class made everyone retarded because all I keep hearing is "there's no Andrew Luck in this draft class." There were no QBs of that caliber between 1998 and 2012 and plenty of teams that drafted QBs during that gap did just fine. As if teams should just wait for the next pro-style, P5, 6'4"+, 230+ lb son of a former NFL QB to come around.
Not to mention the complete distortion of what "franchise QB" means. Is he your unquestioned starter? Then he's a franchise QB.
This is certainly a possibility, but there's always the "my guy" factor that new regimes tend to have.
I don't think "unquestioned starter" equates to "franchise QB." You can build an organization around Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, anyone named Manning. Jay Cutler is the unquestioned starter in Chicago; is he a franchise QB?
I'm not saying you have to draft a prototype. But if you're going to invest a top-5 pick in a guy, he had better be the guy. Is Winston or Mariota that? It's debatable and to me that's too much risk.
The "great" thing about how the Jets drafted Geno was that they didn't do it in round 1. He's easy enough to cut ties with whenever the organization is finally done with him. There wasn't a "the guy" so they didn't waste the pick early.
There's nothing wrong with drafting a tackle or a receiver in the first round. Or better yet, trading down to have more ammo. If the organization is dead-set on taking a QB, go after one in the middle of the draft so once again it's a low-risk move. Then, when you see one in 2016 or 2017 that is a "gotta have him", go all-in to get him.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2014, 02:42:56 PM
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
I don't think "unquestioned starter" equates to "franchise QB." You can build an organization around Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, anyone named Manning. Jay Cutler is the unquestioned starter in Chicago; is he a franchise QB?
Actually I'd say Cutler's status there has come into question. And it's clear that Kiper is conflating "franchise QB" with "elite". Reducing everyone to one end of the spectrum or the other is just silly, it's just another facet of the ESPN machine. There needs to be something in between "elite" and "journeyman".
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
Might as well follow her on Twitter now for the post-show angry rant she'll probably have.
Also dem bewbs.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2014, 03:21:11 PM
Actually I'd say Cutler's status there has come into question. And it's clear that Kiper is conflating "franchise QB" with "elite". Reducing everyone to one end of the spectrum or the other is just silly, it's just another facet of the ESPN machine. There needs to be something in between "elite" and "journeyman".
Okay, that's probably fair. There is certainly an all-or-nothing element to the QB conversation these days, when there really should be another "really really good" category.
Post by: IATA on December 11, 2014, 06:03:36 PM
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 11, 2014, 06:07:49 PM
Post by: Tommy on December 11, 2014, 06:14:56 PM
At least when Rex says he thinks Geno will be good it's just him trying to back his players. When Geno says "Pro Bowl" he's just delusional.
After a while it just loses all meaning. It's like praises from your mom. Sure, it's nice and all, but really doesn't encourage you much.
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Post by: Ornstein on December 11, 2014, 06:22:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 12, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 12, 2014, 11:18:42 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2014, 09:24:22 PM
The hatred of Mel Kiper, Jr. on this board is amazing.
JO is more pro-McShay
Post by: Tommy on December 13, 2014, 10:41:17 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2014, 04:37:38 AM
I always found it weird that kiper always disappears during the season. I know his main focus is on prospects, but you'd think he'd chime in here and there. I mean, he's making us believe that he can decide who's nfl ready, so I'd like to see how much he knows about the nfl and its players.He's prepping his hair for the other 10 months or so.
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Post by: Cane on December 14, 2014, 07:42:57 AM
JO is more pro-McShay
freak McShay.
Post by: Cane on December 14, 2014, 07:46:25 AM
This is certainly a possibility, but there's always the "my guy" factor that new regimes tend to have.
That's true, but many coaches/GMs starting out have used the first year to evaluate and went QB in year two. There's usually a three year clock to see if the coach/QB has it or not, waiting a year to get a QB may get the coach an extra year.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
The Jets should have let them score to get the number one draft pick, who will be really good. It will just never change for them!
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2014, 11:35:33 AM
QB- Blake Bortles, -37.1 grade (JAX)
WR1- Riley Cooper, -12.0 grade (PHI)
WR2- Damaris Johnson, -11.4 grade (HOU)
TE- Jeff Cumberland, -23.9 grade (NYJ)
HB- Knile Davis, -14.3 grade (KC)
FB- Erik Lorig, -10.4 grade (NO)
LT- Jake Matthews, -32.9 grade (ATL)
LG- Mike McGlynn, -33.0 grade (KC)
C- Lyle Sendlein, -28.4 grade (ARI)
RG- Johnnie Troutman, -27.0 grade (SD)
RT- Seantrel Henderson, -24.4 (BUF)
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 16, 2014, 11:52:26 AM
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Jets should have let them score to get the number one draft pick, who will be really good. It will just never change for them!
Says the guy who managed the USFL into oblivion.
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Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2014, 12:31:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 29, 2014, 04:38:43 PM
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“Darrelle is a great player,” Johnson said. “If I thought I could have gotten Darrelle for that [contract], I probably would have taken him. It was our best judgment to do what we did. Darrelle’s a great player. I’d love Darrelle to come back.”
Yes that could be considered tampering
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2014, 07:37:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 29, 2014, 07:38:43 PM
I wonder if the Jets have the potential to lose a later draft pick over the Woody tampering thing? That has happened before. Woody already potentially tampered earlier this year with Desean Jackson.Well this bundle of sticks wants us to get looked into
You would think that the league would look into those comments, along the lines of what you just said," Belichick said, referring to the WEEI host mentioning tampering in his question. "I'm sure that's something that they would look into."
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2014, 07:41:49 PM
Well this bundle of sticks wants us to get looked into
You would think that the league would look into those comments, along the lines of what you just said," Belichick said, referring to the WEEI host mentioning tampering in his question. "I'm sure that's something that they would look into."
I don't blame him. #1- he hates the Jets, so why not file a complaint? #2- he has to renegotiate with Revis (bad enough by itself), who now knows he has another viable option on record.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
Post by: Pope on December 30, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 07:35:58 AM
I don't think anything will come of it since Revis is an ex Jet and they will argue the context
Exactly
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2014, 09:18:27 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:22:48 AM
Woody also called Kraft personally to explain himself. I'd assume Woody will be fined but that will be the end of it.
I think that was a mistake too, why act guilty? freak Kraft.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
I'm probably wrong, and I hope I am.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
I'll bet on the side that we lose a late pick or have to swap a late pick with the Pats. This isn't the first time Woody's done this, this year alone. It was blatant and there is a precedent for losing draft picks.
I'm probably wrong, and I hope I am.
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 09:39:17 AM
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
False
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2014, 09:43:53 AM
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
We'd still have Idzik.
Also, he'd have just fired both via phone.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:45:01 AM
We'd still have Idzik.
Also, he'd have just fired both via phone.
Could have fired Idzik via Twitter and promoted Rex to full control. From his bed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2014, 09:58:38 AM
I think that was a mistake too, why act guilty? freak Kraft.
Nah, I think that was the right thing to do. He was wrong, and he admitted it.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 10:12:30 AM
(even though I really don't want him back, especially without Rex here and you know a DC. What the freak would be the point in someone like Revis if we hire a DC that won't use him accordingly)
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 11:02:54 AM
Could have fired Idzik via Twitter and promoted Rex to full control. From his bed.
Great, Rex could have hired terrible coaches AND signed terrible players.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 11:08:39 AM
Great, Rex could have hired terrible coaches AND signed terrible players.
Players love Rex, we could have gotten a lot of free agents with our cap space and Rex in charge.
I just think it's a lot harder to find a good NFL head coach than a lot of you guys seem to think, especially for New York. But you don't have to take my word for it, just watch what we do next. Copy and paste this if you want to, put it in your signature. Just make sure my name is there so you remember who told you.
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 11:25:48 AM
Players love Rex, we could have gotten a lot of free agents with our cap space and Rex in charge.
I just think it's a lot harder to find a good NFL head coach than a lot of you guys seem to think, especially for New York. But you don't have to take my word for it, just watch what we do next. Copy and paste this if you want to, put it in your signature. Just make sure my name is there so you remember who told you.
If the bar is to have a good defense and a total dogshit offense, I can't imagine it will be that hard.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-30/rex-ryan-will-succeed-just-not-in-new-york?cmpid=yhoo (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-30/rex-ryan-will-succeed-just-not-in-new-york?cmpid=yhoo)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2014, 12:47:14 PM
NE: 1-7
BUF: 4-4
MIA: 4-4
Post by: hawk on December 30, 2014, 03:07:12 PM
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
If it took firing Rex to get rid of Idzik, I would fire Ryan every time.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 30, 2014, 05:26:27 PM
Post by: Ornstein on December 30, 2014, 05:35:42 PM
We will not get fined and we will get Revis back, mark my words.
The only reason to bother spending 12 million on revis is if you think you're contending for a Super Bowl.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 30, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
Post by: Ornstein on December 30, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
Maybe but after Woody's statements do you think that, if given the chance, he wouldn't bring him back?
Yeah well that would only prove he's just as incompetent as Idzik in running a football team.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 30, 2014, 05:53:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2014, 05:54:02 PM
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.
Good thing Revis wasn't a Jet this season then
Post by: Ornstein on December 30, 2014, 05:56:40 PM
Also, Revis wouldn't magically make Geno any less of a turnover machine which was the main reason our defense was shitting the bed. Not much they can do when were constantly going 3 and out or turning it over in our own territory.
He'd net us maybe 1 or 2 more wins at best.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2014, 06:00:52 PM
Not to mention a good chunk of that cap space would be eaten up.
Also, Revis wouldn't magically make Geno any less of a turnover machine which was the main reason our defense was shitting the bed. Not much they can do when were constantly going 3 and out or turning it over in our own territory.
He'd net us maybe 1 or 2 more wins at best.
Yep
The Jets were ranked 14 against the pass. Our cornerbacks were not very good players, but the pass defense is not the reason why the Jets are a four win team.
The offense was the main issue and Darrelle Revis would not fix that.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2014, 06:25:15 PM
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.
If Revis had got us 3 or 4 more victories, and a QB undoubtedly would have got us another 3 or 4, we'd be divisional champions.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.Would Rex really still be coach if the Jets went 4 consecutive seasons without a winning record and the playoffs?
Had Revis been here nobody could bitch that Idzik didn't give him the weapons to win
Hell Idzik would probably still be our GM, but Rex would likely be gone still
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
Post by: NDMick on December 30, 2014, 06:40:25 PM
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.
Maybe just one.
Post by: Ornstein on December 30, 2014, 06:41:59 PM
Matter of fact Idzik would be praised right now as the mad genius who traded Revis for a 1st and 3rd, drafted DROTY with the pick, and then resigned Revis
Not so sure about that, it's hard not to notice almost all his draft picks sucked derriere. A Revis signing wouldn't fix that especially if all he did was offer him the most money and overpay him yet again.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 06:44:34 PM
Not so sure about that, it's hard not to notice almost all his draft picks sucked derriere. A Revis signing wouldn't fix that especially if all he did was offer him the most money and overpay him yet again.Amaro, Richardson, Milliner were all decent picks
That along with bringing back Revis and people would be pretty damn happy
Post by: NDMick on December 30, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
Amaro, Richardson, Milliner were all decent picks
That along with bringing back Revis and people would be pretty damn happy
Geno Smith wipes it all out.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 06:48:23 PM
Geno Smith wipes it all out.Geno wasn't a bad draft pick. Not by any means
The bad part was letting him play.
If Geno was drafted, sat the bench as a rookie behind Sanchez last year. Then sat behind Vick this year, I'd say it was a great move.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2014, 06:55:38 PM
Geno wasn't a bad draft pick. Not by any means
The bad part was letting him play.
If Geno was drafted, sat the bench as a rookie behind Sanchez last year. Then sat behind Vick this year, I'd say it was a great move.
If Geno sat for two full years we'd all be saying it was a terrible pick because it was a wasted resource drafting a guy who couldn't even get on the field. The arguments would be the same, would have been nice to have drafted an OL with that pick or a safety or a WR or a TE or anybody but Gwno freaking smith
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
Post by: Ornstein on December 30, 2014, 06:57:18 PM
Amaro, Richardson, Milliner were all decent picks
That along with bringing back Revis and people would be pretty damn happy
Richardson was a fantastic pick. you can't say much about the rest of his 2 drafts to be honest.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
If Geno sat for two full years we'd all be saying it was a terrible pick because it was a wasted resource drafting a guy who couldn't even get on the field. The arguments would be the same, would have been nice to have drafted an OL with that pick or a safety or a WR or a TE or anybody but Gwno freaking smithFor other positions maybe
But QB is important enough that taking a 2nd round flier on a guy with potential, hoping he gets it isn't terrible.
The guy is physically gifted, but needed to learn offenses, reading defenses etc
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 06:59:08 PM
Richardson was a fantastic pick. you can't say much about the rest of his 2 drafts to be honest.If just one of those OL guys pans out to be decent, and one of those guys on IR pans out (Evans, Milliner, McDougle) it'll be hard to complain about the drafts too much
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2014, 06:59:58 PM
For other positions maybe
But QB is important enough that taking a 2nd round flier on a guy with potential, hoping he gets it isn't terrible.
The guy is physically gifted, but needed to learn offenses, reading defenses etc
If he couldn't beat out the Mark Sanchez we had seen, and the vick we witnessed this year, particularly the San Diego version people would be expecting Geno to still suck monkey nuts (and they would have been right, he's a dipshit)
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 07:02:17 PM
If he couldn't beat out the Mark Sanchez we had seen, and the vick we witnessed this year, particularly the San Diego version people would be expecting Geno to still suck monkey nuts (and they would have been right, he's a dipshit)Of course he wouldn't have beaten out Sanchez.
Geno came from a simple offense with predefined reads.
You'd figure it would take him a year at minimum to begin to learn nfl offenses, reads etc.
That was why a guy with first round talent fell to the 2nd round.
Then losing out to Vick simply would be a case of an experienced vet who knows the offense beating out a guy whose never played
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 07:02:52 PM
Geno wasn't a bad draft pick. Not by any means
The bad part was letting him play.
If Geno was drafted, sat the bench as a rookie behind Sanchez last year. Then sat behind Vick this year, I'd say it was a great move.
You have oddly low standards.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2014, 07:03:06 PM
If just one of those OL guys pans out to be decent, and one of those guys on IR pans out (Evans, Milliner, McDougle) it'll be hard to complain about the drafts too much
Missing thE WR class when we were desperate for a WR is reason alone to be pissed. We over drafted all 3 WRs by at least a round, and none of them are going to be of any use.
Idzik fucked up. He drafted 4 OL, one is cut, one couldn't get on the field in a 4-12 season, one was an atrocious rookie who might have been figuring it out before he mangled his knee and might now be ruined, and the 4th played and was slightly above average at his very best.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 07:06:10 PM
You have oddly low standards.QB is the most important position in sports.
Had Manziel fallen to our 2nd round pick last year it would be the same thing.
First round potential, for terrific value.
The player might end up being excrement, but it was still a great pick at the time.
People could pretend that they knew he was a bust, but there's a reason scouts analyst and all that excrement thought Geno was a top pick
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2014, 07:09:04 PM
Had Manziel fallen to our 2nd round pick last year it would be the same thing.
There were 8 QBs that went in the 2nd round or later in the 2014 NFL Draft that were better pro prospects than Geno Smith's sorry derriere.
It was not a good pick. Stop talking out of your derriere. He didn't get to sit. He played and he was awful.
Kellen Clemens was a excrement pick and he got to sit.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 07:10:20 PM
The player might end up being excrement, but it was still a great pick at the time.
No.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
If he was a 4th or later and was still riding the bench that's a different story.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2014, 07:12:04 PM
There were 8 QBs that went in the 2nd round or later in the 2014 NFL Draft that were better pro prospects than Geno Smith's sorry derriere.For the sake of not being Italian Seafood I'll just stop here
It was not a good pick. Stop talking out of your derriere. He didn't get to sit. He played and he was awful.
Kellen Clemens was a excrement pick and he got to sit.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2014, 07:13:05 PM
QB is the most important position in sports.nobody thought Geno was a top pick after his second half of the senior season. Hell anybody who watched what Doug Marrone did to him in the pinstripe bowl (2 safeties, 2!) should have said this guy is not a mid round pick. He was arbirtrarily pushed up boards in the weakest class in probably 25 years for QBs.
Had Manziel fallen to our 2nd round pick last year it would be the same thing.
First round potential, for terrific value.
The player might end up being excrement, but it was still a great pick at the time.
People could pretend that they knew he was a bust, but there's a reason scouts analyst and all that excrement thought Geno was a top pick
Sanchez was an excellent pick and a great trade because of all the reasons you said. Geno simply was not.
Post by: Pope on December 30, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2014, 09:52:13 PM
Geno was a bad pick but not a catastrophic pick. He was taken in the second round and nothing was traded for him. Stephen Hill was much worse in my opinion.
It definitely was. Had the pick worked out, Sanchez had a chance to take the next step. Passing on Alshon Jeffery was moronic. The Jets didn't pass on a better QB. There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 NFL Draft - it's the worst QB class that I can remember.
Not sure if you saw my post with all of our second round picks since 2000, but David Harris is the only longterm starter we found in 14 drafts. It's disgusting.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
Not sure if you saw my post with all of our second round picks since 2000, but David Harris is the only longterm starter we found in 14 drafts. It's disgusting.
Our second round picks going back through the 80s are mostly pretty bad.
Post by: NDMick on December 30, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
It definitely was. Had the pick worked out, Sanchez had a chance to take the next step. Passing on Alshon Jeffery was moronic. The Jets didn't pass on a better QB. There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 NFL Draft - it's the worst QB class that I can remember.
Not sure if you saw my post with all of our second round picks since 2000, but David Harris is the only longterm starter we found in 14 drafts. It's disgusting.
Nugent!
McGraw!
Stephen Hill!
Ducasse!
Superbowl.
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 10:28:41 PM
Nugent!
McGraw!
Stephen Hill!
Ducasse!
Superbowl.
I remember I was SO pissed we passed on Derek Ross for Jon McGraw. I was some elite level of nerd.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 10:57:42 PM
Geno was a bad pick but not a catastrophic pick. He was taken in the second round and nothing was traded for him. Stephen Hill was much worse in my opinion.
Geno Smith tanked this franchise for 2 (and counting?) years.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 11:04:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 08:21:54 AM
Jets have at least 3 asst coaches under contract for '15, but all assistants informed they can look for other jobs during HC search. #nyj
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2014, 08:28:14 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 08:38:19 AM
Stephen Hill was worse just because we wiffed so badly. We left Alshon Jefferey and Demarius Thomas on the board.
Jeffery yes but not Thomas, he was a 1st rounder from 2 years prior.
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2014, 08:39:28 AM
Jeffery yes but not Thomas, he was a 1st rounder from 2 years prior.
Who am I thinking of then?
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2014, 08:40:05 AM
Who am I thinking of then?
Nobody knows.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 08:41:15 AM
Stephen Hill was worse just because we wiffed so badly. We left Alshon Jefferey and Demarius Thomas on the board.
what the freak
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 08:42:37 AM
Who am I thinking of then?
Maybe the same year you were thinking the Jets messed up by not trading up for Thomas or Bryant and sticking with Wilson?
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2014, 08:48:20 AM
Who am I thinking of then?
Tim Tebow.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 31, 2014, 10:23:53 AM
Who am I thinking of then?
Derrick Thomas
Post by: NDMick on December 31, 2014, 10:43:58 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 31, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
Rueben Randle
I guarantee that's not it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 31, 2014, 12:10:42 PM
T.J. Graham
No that was MB. Huge fan from way back. Wore his jersey to the Steelers game and everything.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 31, 2014, 12:37:03 PM
Who am I thinking of then?
Well, we just passed on Brandin Cooks.
Post by: Cane on December 31, 2014, 01:06:59 PM
Who am I thinking of then?
My guess would be Sanu. We were definitely talking him up pre draft.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2014, 02:34:34 PM
Ian Eagle just said on 660 that teams like Oakland and the Jaguars are in a better place than us because "at least they have a young quarterback and some semblance of a plan. In getting rid on Rex Ryan they have erased their identity and will have to start from scratch."
nothing wrong with starting from scratch when things haven't worked for years
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
eagle also said that he's not in love with any of the HC candidates out there.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 31, 2014, 02:40:39 PM
that's not the worst thing in the world considering what they were doing wasn't working, but a lot of the players played to Rex's style on the field, and it will be interesting to see how they react to a new HC.
eagle also said that he's not in love with any of the HC candidates out there.
I think if we bring in another top notch defensive mind, the best players on the team will get behind him quickly. Bowles and Quinn would fit nicely in that regard.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
I think if we bring in another top notch defensive mind, the best players on the team will get behind him quickly. Bowles and Quinn would fit nicely in that regard.There's more than being top notch
Jim Harbaugh unquestionably was top notch, and his players and owners had major issues with him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 31, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
terry Bradshaw is on 660 WFAN at 6pm.... Wtf
What does Terry Bradshaw have to do with the Jets?
In before edit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
What does Terry Bradshaw have to do with the Jets?
In before edit
Now I can't remember if they said Bradshaw or Bradway. Bradshaw is a weekly guest but they also have Mo wilk on in 5 minutes.
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2015, 12:03:39 PM
Post by: NDMick on January 06, 2015, 10:17:55 AM
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Jets backup linebacker Jermaine Cunningham was arrested on December 29 and charged with “spreading sexual images and illegally transporting a handgun,” according to reporter Tom Haydon (NJ.com, Jan. 6).
Dick pick and a gun?
Post by: casman02 on January 12, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
@DemaryiusT come visit
Recruiter
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 06:41:46 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 06:48:24 PM
I like her more each day.
Yeah never mind the funbags.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Jessie James Decker @JessieJDecker · 7m 7 minutes agoLet's bring in Gase at OC and Demaryius.
@DemaryiusT come visit
Recruiter
Suddenly well look like a real team
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
Post by: Coach K on January 22, 2015, 03:29:45 PM
Post by: Hemi on January 22, 2015, 04:08:36 PM
Let's bring in Gase at OC and Demaryius.
Suddenly well look like a real team
Gase in Chicago now could you imagine Thomas with Marshall and jeffery
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Gase in Chicago now could you imagine Thomas with Marshall and jeffery
That's a little overkill,
On second thought it's like something else nevermind.....
Post by: Hemi on January 22, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
That's a little overkill,that's like having Kate Upton, Jessica Alba and Scarlett Johansson sit on your face all at once.
Y
On second thought it's like something else nevermind.....
What a sweet lineup that would be
Post by: Laxin on January 22, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/19/2014-pff-all-afc-east-team/
Oday Aboushi.
Did I just read that correctly?
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
Oday Aboushi.
Did I just read that correctly?
Slim pickings in the AFCE.
Also, I think they picked the best LG and the best RG instead of just the two best Gs. So Aboushi just had to be better than 3 other guys to get on here.
Post by: Laxin on January 22, 2015, 04:26:15 PM
Slim pickings in the AFCE.
Also, I think they picked the best LG and the best RG instead of just the two best Gs. So Aboushi just had to be better than 3 other guys to get on here.
I didnt know he was better than 3 guards in the entire NFL, let alone the best in a division.
Post by: Ornstein on January 22, 2015, 06:38:44 PM
I didnt know he was better than 3 guards in the entire NFL, let alone the best in a division.
Say what you want about the guy but we've seen far worse at guards then him. He was pretty solid it looked like.
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
Cardinals defensive assistant/assistant defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik is joining the #Jets staff.
Steiny is reporting this...won't get its own thread until someone more credible reports it.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 23, 2015, 02:44:54 PM
Jake Steinberg @Steiny31 42m42 minutes ago
Cardinals defensive assistant/assistant defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik is joining the #Jets staff.
Steiny is reporting this...won't get its own thread until someone more credible reports it.
Fox Sports Phoenix...
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mikejurecki: Hearing #Cardinals defensive asst/defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik will join Todd Bowles coaching staff in New York. #Jets
Tweeted a full day before Steiny. This guy also broke the Caldwell hire.
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2015, 02:46:44 PM
Fox Sports Phoenix...
Tweeted a full day before Steiny. This guy also broke the Caldwell hire.
good work.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 23, 2015, 02:58:52 PM
Miamipuck @Miamiphuck69 2 minutes ago
Cardinals defensive assistant/assistant defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik is joining the #Jets staff.
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2015, 03:02:02 PM
I already reported on this freak off both of you.
Miamipuck @Miamiphuck69 2 minutes ago
Cardinals defensive assistant/assistant defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik is joining the #Jets staff.
sorry...all i heard were your funbags swaying in the wind.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 23, 2015, 03:07:41 PM
sorry...all i heard were your funbags swaying in the wind.
Those were yours belting you in the head.
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2015, 03:16:29 PM
Those were yours belting you in the head.
These had jewish curlies around the nips.
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2015, 09:24:48 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2015, 07:31:49 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2015, 07:38:55 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2015, 07:58:08 AM
I hope Ron Wolf gets gang raped:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade
In fairness that doesn't sound like it was Wolf's fault.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2015, 08:08:06 AM
I hope Ron Wolf gets gang raped:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade
Amazon customer service lady: "I'm sorry Mr. Mariopuck, we couldn't deliver your 18" blue jellycock you purchased on amazon because there was a blizzard that snowed the airplanes in. There simply wasn't a way to deliver it."
Puck: "I hope you die of the rapes, you whorebag."
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2015, 09:33:08 AM
Amazon customer service lady: "I'm sorry Mr. Mariopuck, we couldn't deliver your 18" blue jellycock you purchased on amazon because there was a blizzard that snowed the airplanes in. There simply wasn't a way to deliver it."
Puck: "I hope you die of the rapes, you whorebag."
I hope Bojanglesman gets gang raped.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2015, 09:37:53 AM
I hope Bojanglesman gets gang raped.
I hope your blue jellycock has AIDS.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2015, 09:51:03 AM
I hope your blue jellycock has AIDS.
Great because I mailed it to you.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2015, 10:13:11 AM
Eric Decker selling free agent Demaryius Thomas on Jets #nyj: http://nyp.st/1yetitf via @nypost
get it done, Duff.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2015, 10:16:11 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 44m44 minutes ago
Eric Decker selling free agent Demaryius Thomas on Jets #nyj: http://nyp.st/1yetitf via @nypost
get it done, Duff.
Dude's getting tagged or re-signed. No way he hits the market. Unless Duff kills Elway, he can't do much.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2015, 10:19:48 AM
Dude's getting tagged or re-signed. No way he hits the market. Unless Duff kills Elway, he can't do much.
Decker should offer nudes of his wife to Denver to complete the transaction.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2015, 10:28:43 AM
Decker should offer nudes of his wife to Denver to complete the transaction.I would kill Elway for those.
Post by: IATA on January 30, 2015, 10:29:55 AM
FIRE MANISH MEHTA @FireManishMehta · 10h 10 hours ago
Lets start this movement! We deserve a beat writer who gives us positive and meaningful insight! RT to spread the word!
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
I would kill Elway for those.
we should receiver 2 1st round picks in return as well....one for each tit.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
we should receiver 2 1st round picks in return as well....one for each tit.
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 30, 2015, 10:35:03 AM
https://twitter.com/FireManishMehtaAre they going to fly a banner around the stadium?
FIRE MANISH MEHTA @FireManishMehta · 10h 10 hours ago
Lets start this movement! We deserve a beat writer who gives us positive and meaningful insight! RT to spread the word!
Post by: MBGreen on February 02, 2015, 01:16:49 PM
Quote
Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 3m3 minutes ago
#Jets fan buys http://FireMikeMaccagnan.com domain name to 'keep it from being used' http://www.metro.us/new-york/jets-fan-buys-firemikemaccagnan-com-domain-name-to-keep-it-from-being-used/zsJoaE---uaqwr9qPGSHSY/ … via @metronewyork
....
Post by: Heismanberg on February 02, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
Post by: Badger on February 02, 2015, 01:29:25 PM
terrible fanbase
That guy is pretty cool though.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 02, 2015, 01:33:27 PM
That guy is pretty cool though.
I second this.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 02, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
(https://thedirtyturban.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/aadeck3.jpg)
Not for nothing, but those are fake. Maybe worth a 4th and a 5th.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 02, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
Who gives three shits if she has Johnny English implanted on one side and Eyedea on the other, those are still glorious funbags.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 02, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
^ What's wrong with you people?Yep. Dems tittays be nice.
Who gives three shits if she has Johnny English implanted on one side and Eyedea on the other, those are still glorious funbags.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 03, 2015, 03:27:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2015, 03:52:22 PM
And still all is quiet on the Mornhinweg front. As far as I know he's still contracted with us, but clearly he's no longer the OC.
Isn't he the QB coach for the Ravens now?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 03, 2015, 03:52:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 03, 2015, 03:53:42 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 03, 2015, 04:43:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 03, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
I wonder what happened to Idzik. Haven't heard anything about him.I heard he's hiring Tannenbaum as his agent
Post by: IATA on February 03, 2015, 05:46:37 PM
I wonder what happened to Idzik. Haven't heard anything about him.
He's at the winchester, having a pint.
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Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2015, 09:49:18 PM
Source: Geno Smith not guaranteed to start, #Jets will draft or sign QB for competition http://t.co/SwG3JZApdi via @metronewyork
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 04, 2015, 10:31:04 AM
Kristian Dyer-
Source: Geno Smith not guaranteed to start, #Jets will draft or sign QB for competition http://t.co/SwG3JZApdi via @metronewyork
Mallet to the Jets? Interesting...only if he's dirt cheap.
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2015, 10:32:57 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2015, 10:34:39 AM
Mallet to the Jets? Interesting...only if he's dirt cheap.Interesting if it means Geno won't be starting again
Payback for Revis signing with them
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2015, 09:42:18 PM
New look.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2015, 10:31:11 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 11, 2015, 05:29:43 AM
Brilliant move by Maccagnan, boy does this guy know murals.You're goddamn right he does.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 11, 2015, 12:40:53 PM
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2015, 01:39:33 PM
Looks like Jet Up is here to stay.
If too many fans are standing at the games in 2015 they'll get rid of it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 12, 2015, 08:13:56 AM
If too many fans are standing at the games in 2015 they'll get rid of it.
"SIT DOWN!"
Post by: Miamipuck on February 12, 2015, 08:16:04 AM
If too many fans are standing at the games in 2015 they'll get rid of it.
You with the glasses watch you language.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 15, 2015, 03:34:21 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 15, 2015, 04:13:30 PM
Greg McElroy has become an awesome CFB analyst for ESPN
Are you watching the all star challenge? I saw some hot sideline reporter. What's her name?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 15, 2015, 04:14:56 PM
Are you watching the all star challenge? I saw some hot sideline reporter. What's her name?
don't know her name but she is hot
Post by: Cane on February 15, 2015, 10:50:05 PM
don't know her name but she is hot
Kaylee Hartung
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Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2015, 08:11:36 AM
Post by: Badger on February 17, 2015, 10:12:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
Bowles is first at 2:30 and Maccagnan starts at 2:45
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2015, 01:17:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2015, 01:24:04 PM
Dyer: Source: #Jets will go hard after C.J. Spiller in free agency http://t.co/eyLEyDavWS via @metronewyork #NYJets
please start threads for stuff like this
Post by: Hemi on February 18, 2015, 03:25:56 PM
Dyer: Source: #Jets will go hard after C.J. Spiller in free agency http://t.co/eyLEyDavWS via @metronewyork #NYJets
Source= speculation
Post by: Hemi on February 18, 2015, 03:26:38 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470920/article/vernon-gholston-tweets-he-has-tryout-with-redskins
Back from the dead for a few minutes
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2015, 05:07:48 PM
Loved Bowles' response to this question: 'Ur predecessor was very focused on beating the Patriots, what’s that rivalry mean to u now?'
Bowles: "I don’t think it means anything to us right now. ...Just beating the Patriots is not going to cut it if u lose to everybody else."
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2015, 05:11:54 PM
headshot
Post by: Tommy on February 18, 2015, 05:13:52 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 23, 2015, 10:44:27 AM
It was bandied about the Internet that the New York Jets has spent a significant amount of time with Philip Dorsett. I can confirm that to be true. Besides the Jets, the other team who has taking a liking to the speedy wide out are the Green Bay Packers.
Staying with the New York Jets, I spoke with a league insider about the team's free agency plans. I was told the Jets intend to be big players in free agency, specifically on defense. I'm told they will target outside linebackers and cornerbacks as big-ticket items. They evidently will look for younger, taller corners. Potential free agents who fit that mold include Davon House, Chris Culliver and someone familiar to the team's new general manager Bob Maccagnan, Kareem Jackson. I'm told they will look to add depth on the defensive line and hope to add a mid-value guard; someone who won't cost a lot of money. When asked if the Jets would go after Mike Iupati, the response was, "the present belief around the league is they won't spend $8 million for Iupati."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2015, 10:46:38 AM
A blurb by Tony Pauline in the rumors page of WalterFootball.com. It's interesting.
It was bandied about the Internet that the New York Jets has spent a significant amount of time with Philip Dorsett. I can confirm that to be true. Besides the Jets, the other team who has taking a liking to the speedy wide out are the Green Bay Packers.
Staying with the New York Jets, I spoke with a league insider about the team's free agency plans. I was told the Jets intend to be big players in free agency, specifically on defense. I'm told they will target outside linebackers and cornerbacks as big-ticket items. They evidently will look for younger, taller corners. Potential free agents who fit that mold include Davon House, Chris Culliver and someone familiar to the team's new general manager Bob Maccagnan, Kareem Jackson. I'm told they will look to add depth on the defensive line and hope to add a mid-value guard; someone who won't cost a lot of money. When asked if the Jets would go after Mike Iupati, the response was, "the present belief around the league is they won't spend $8 million for Iupati."
1) Completley ignore offense
2) Fire Rex
3) Profit
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2015, 10:48:18 AM
1) Completley ignore offense
2) Fire Rex
3) Profit
If they address the offense in the draft...*cough* Kevin White *cough*....I'm ok with this.
Phillip Dorsett is no slouch either.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 23, 2015, 10:53:14 AM
sit down, Pauline
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2015, 10:55:04 AM
"Bob Maccagnan"
sit down, Pauline
lol....how did i miss that?
/duff
Post by: hawk on February 23, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
nvm
Post by: Heismanberg on February 23, 2015, 10:57:24 AM
/sources
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2015, 11:12:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2015, 11:25:49 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2015, 11:39:07 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2015, 11:41:48 AM
Post by: Pope on February 23, 2015, 01:03:07 PM
Post by: Jumbo on February 23, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
I am going to start a website and will make excrement up but attribute it to 'sources'. Seems to work for everyone else.
Call it multiplesources.com
Post by: ons on February 28, 2015, 08:35:34 PM
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/28/2015-depth-charts-new-york-jets/
Not going to replace Breno already.
Cumberland is above Amaro on their depth chart?
Their rubric is dumb, doesn't say whether it's measuring past success, attempting to measure how the player will perform in 2015, or how 'good' a player is.
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 28, 2015, 09:05:46 PM
Secondly, how does Chris Owusu rate as a below average player? Does the guy even have a catch in his career? Same could be said for Daryl Richardson and his highly limited production.
Jason Babin shouldn't be green either. Sad thing is I don't think they underrated anybody on our roster.
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2015, 09:10:28 PM
Secondly, how does Chris Owusu rate as a below average player? Does the guy even have a catch in his career?
30.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 28, 2015, 10:23:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2015, 10:28:41 PM
The funny stuff is that we have lots of average and above average guys on offence, and with a few notable exceptions we are below average on defence. Weren't we supposed to be the other way around in theory?
Well, we all knew the defensive line would be good and it was. Everything else is trash.
I'm excited to see what new players Bowles and Maccagnan bring in through FA and the draft.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 28, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2015, 11:12:03 PM
Well it proves one thing we already know this roster sucks.
No, it proves that PFF think this roster sucks.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 01, 2015, 12:55:12 AM
No, it proves that PFF think this roster sucks.
You would argue against that?
Post by: NDMick on March 01, 2015, 11:49:37 AM
It can be done with smart FA moves and two really good drafts. It's not tough to be relevant again in this decade.
Post by: Laxin on March 01, 2015, 12:23:00 PM
So a little bit of OL, a lot of bit of QB, and replacing the back 8 players on defense.
It can be done with smart FA moves and two really good drafts. It's not tough to be relevant again in this decade.
The entire back 8 doesnt have to be replaced. Davis, Coples, Pryor, Milliner and McDougle will have roles with this team and have the talent to be significant contributors. CB, S, OLB and ILB and the defense is sured up. Add another CB for good measure as well. I do agree that its certainly doable in 2 years if the right moves are made.
Post by: Tommy on March 01, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2015, 01:49:49 PM
The entire back 8 doesnt have to be replaced. Davis, Coples, Pryor, Milliner and McDougle will have roles with this team and have the talent to be significant contributors. CB, S, OLB and ILB and the defense is sured up. Add another CB for good measure as well. I do agree that its certainly doable in 2 years if the right moves are made.
Milliner and McDougle are far from sure things. At least one 1 OLB, 1 ILB, 1 S, and 2 CBs should be considered in free agency.
Only about a week away...
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Milliner and McDougle are far from sure things. At least one 1 OLB, 1 ILB, 1 S, and 2 CBs should be considered in free agency.Just one safety?
Only about a week away...
I could see us completely overhaul the position. The only guy sure to stick is Pryor. I could see us grabbing 2 if not 3 safeties.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2015, 02:12:34 PM
Just one safety?
I could see us completely overhaul the position. The only guy sure to stick is Pryor. I could see us grabbing 2 if not 3 safeties.
Calvin Pryor and Antonio Allen are still here. Jaiquawn Jarrett is an RFA that might stick. Strong safety is solidified unless Bowles isn't high on Pryor. I think we'll sign a free safety and the probably draft a prospect in the middle rounds.
Tyrann Mathieu is Todd Bowles' son-in-law. I think he's going to stopgap at FS until the Honey Badger hits free agency.
CB related: If I had to put money on a prospect that the Jets will go after, it's Jalen Collins out of LSU. If he slips into the second round, Bowles will want him.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2015, 02:14:43 PM
Calvin Pryor and Antonio Allen are still here. Jaiquawn Jarrett is an RFA that might stick. Strong safety is solidified unless Bowles isn't high on Pryor. I think we'll sign a free safety and the probably draft a prospect in the middle rounds.That's assuming he doesn't keep Allen at cornerback
Tyrann Mathieu is Todd Bowles' son-in-law. I think he's going to stopgap at FS until the Honey Badger hits free agency.
CB related: If I had to put money on a prospect that the Jets will go after, it's Jalen Collins out of LSU. If he slips into the second round, Bowles will want him.
Or have him in some mixed role
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2015, 02:15:22 PM
That's assuming he doesn't keep Allen at cornerback
Or have him in some mixed role
Antonio Allen is not a cornerback. He's an undersized linebacker. He absolutely cannot play man press coverage, which is what Bowles wants to do.
Rex Ryan was just pulling excrement out of his derriere because he didn't have anyone to play CB.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 02, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
@AdamSchefter NFL informed all teams today that this year's salary cap will be set at $143,280,000 per club, per source.
Post by: Pope on March 02, 2015, 04:32:40 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 02, 2015, 04:40:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 02, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
When was the last time the Jets had a ton of cap room like this? (Besides last season of course)We have a lot more cap room than we had last season
Especially once you factor in rollover and Harvin getting cut
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2015, 07:25:45 AM
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 07:55:57 AM
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29m29 minutes agoManish's article from which this is based:
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-woody-reverse-darrelle-revis-article-1.2135214
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Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 08:32:50 AM
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29m29 minutes agoI truly hope Woody isn't telling our new coach and GM how to do their jobs
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2015, 08:41:22 AM
I truly hope Woody isn't telling our new coach and GM how to do their jobs
I was thinking the same thing.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 08:46:45 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2015, 08:49:34 AM
I'm guessing you could probably count on the fingers of one hand the owners who don't express their views on players to their GMs. It's only a problem if they're insistent on their will being executed.
Woody went to great lengths to bring in what is perceived as "sound football people" to run his franchise. I'm fine with Woody sharing his opinions, I just hope he allows the folks he hired to do their jobs without interference.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 09:10:05 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2015, 09:21:39 AM
Oh no.
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2015, 09:26:21 AM
So an owner suggests they bring back a good player at a position if dire need required for the scheme?
Oh no.
there's a little more involved here, than just filling a need with a good player.
And it's not just Revis....I don't think it's too much to ask of Woody to leave the people he hired to do their jobs, if that's indeed the case here. Of course, this is speculation.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2015, 09:35:14 AM
there's a little more involved here, than just filling a need with a good player.
And it's not just Revis....I don't think it's too much to ask of Woody to leave the people he hired to do their jobs, if that's indeed the case here. Of course, this is speculation.
He can insist. Lol he owns the team. I get the worry, but Woody isn't Jerry Jones or AL Davis.
I think after an exhaustive search he trusts those guys to do what they're paid for.
I'd bring him here for 2 years. Sign a FA to pair with him. Meanwhile you still see what you have in McDougle/Milliner.
Then draft a mid round guy or early next year if it's still an issue.
In all reality I'm more interested in them making McCourty a top 3 paid safety allowing Bowles to unleash pryor to do what he does best.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 09:38:45 AM
He can insist. Lol he owns the team. I get the worry, but Woody isn't Jerry Jones or AL Davis.He "insisted" that our last GM keep Rex.
I think after an exhaustive search he trusts those guys to do what they're paid for.
I'd bring him here for 2 years. Sign a FA to pair with him. Meanwhile you still see what you have in McDougle/Milliner.
Then draft a mid round guy or early next year if it's still an issue.
In all reality I'm more interested in them making McCourty a top 3 paid safety allowing Bowles to unleash pryor to do what he does best.
That landed us Idzik as GM, and 2 more years of Rex
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 03, 2015, 09:40:34 AM
there's a little more involved here, than just filling a need with a good player.
And it's not just Revis....I don't think it's too much to ask of Woody to leave the people he hired to do their jobs, if that's indeed the case here. Of course, this is speculation.
It's not like suggesting going after Revis is controversial opinion. Any team with money should try to get the best corner. It's only a problem if Woody forces them to give Revis a bad contract. I think any deal Revis does will just be for huge money this year with plenty of ways to end it after 1 year so he can go for the most money again.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 09:41:46 AM
Re: @MMehtaNYDN story ... My feeling is if Revis hits the market next week, the Jets will be creative in their pursuit. Beyond just money.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 10:04:10 AM
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 19m19 minutes ago
Re: @MMehtaNYDN story ... My feeling is if Revis hits the market next week, the Jets will be creative in their pursuit. Beyond just money.
"Eric, we need to borrow Jessie for a weekend....."
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 10:06:36 AM
"Eric, we need to borrow Jessie for a weekend....."
Haha. Once you go black..........
I don't know what they could offer other than maybe marketing opportunities.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 10:12:48 AM
Remember, Jets coach Todd Bowles had a $14M/year corner in AZ, and GM Mike Maccagnan saw Texans pay top-of-market $$$ for Johnathan Joseph.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2015, 10:18:16 AM
I don't know what they could offer other than maybe marketing opportunities.
Geiger gets a spot on the 53 man roster
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2015, 10:36:51 AM
He "insisted" that our last GM keep Rex.
That landed us Idzik as GM, and 2 more years of Rex
And rex is still regarded as a good coach in most nfl circles.
Him insisting on rex and haphazardly hiring idzik are two different things.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2015, 10:38:02 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2015, 10:42:22 AM
Geiger gets a spot on the 53 man roster
It's like the mark Wahlberg movie Cept he's paralyzed on his first snap in training camp.
Then it becomes a story of Revis rehabbing with him and it's called Geigers Song
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 10:46:34 AM
And rex is still regarded as a good coach in most nfl circles.He needed a GM who bought into his "insisting" that we keep Rex
Him insisting on rex and haphazardly hiring idzik are two different things.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2015, 10:51:39 AM
He needed a GM who bought into his "insisting" that we keep Rex
He could have promoted an in-house FO guy and kept Rex and it wouldn't have been any worse than Idzik. Could have easily been much better.
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2015, 11:28:29 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 11:34:42 AM
It'll be so weird having back one of the best Jets players who took a little break to win the Fuckn super bowl with our hated divisional rival.It'll also be one of the worst moves this team can make.
Giving a mental nutcase a mammoth contract while he enters his 30s
This will be our version of Philly signing Asomugha
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 11:44:30 AM
It'll be so weird having back one of the best Jets players who took a little break to win the Fuckn super bowl with our hated divisional rival.
He didn't ask to be traded to Tampa, and he did try to come back at the first available opportunity. It's really quite difficult to blame him for what happened.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 11:44:50 AM
It'll also be one of the worst moves this team can make.
Giving a mental nutcase a mammoth contract while he enters his 30s
This will be our version of Philly signing Asomugha
You're making even less sense than usual.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 11:47:16 AM
You're making even less sense than usual.Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
Post by: Fenwyr on March 03, 2015, 11:58:24 AM
Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
Sadly, I agree. I would rather have Cro and one of the other 2 FA CB not named Revis for the same money.
Post by: Ornstein on March 03, 2015, 11:58:33 AM
He didn't ask to be traded to Tampa, and he did try to come back at the first available opportunity. It's really quite difficult to blame him for what happened.
Not sure he really cared about coming back or not.
Seemed like he just wanted the jets to enter a bidding war with New England and just take the best deal available to him.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Sadly, I agree. I would rather have Cro and one of the other 2 FA CB not named Revis for the same money.We could get McCourty and Cromartie. Plus have several million to spare for the same money.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 03, 2015, 12:05:15 PM
Geiger gets a spot on the 53 man roster
Is blow job queen a position in football?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 12:12:19 PM
Is blow job queen a position in football?I think its abbreviation is QB for short
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
I was referring to your characterisation of Revis as a "mental nutcase" when he's anything but. After that you made the leap to inventing a contract and then attacking it as being a bad idea. Like I said, you're making even less sense than usual.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 12:17:57 PM
Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
Post by: Miamipuck on March 03, 2015, 12:20:06 PM
Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?
Isn't he slated to make 20 this year?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 12:20:26 PM
Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?OK 16 million a year
He's still going to be a 30+ year old corner making close to 100 million
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?
I think the internal monologue in his head between a couple of his characters is accidentally leaking onto JO.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 12:24:54 PM
OK 16 million a yearNo. He will be a 30 year old corner signing a $80 million contract. How many players ever see the full value of their contract? It would be a 4-5 year deal which is in reality a 3 year deal with a bunch of phoney money at the end to appease his need to say he is a $16 million corner.
He's still going to be a 30+ year old corner making close to 100 million
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 12:26:37 PM
Isn't he slated to make 20 this year?It's phony money to give him the illusion of being paid $16 million per year. He hasn't been paid that. Nor will he be. Once the Pats cut or resign him, he will have been paid $12 million last year.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 12:29:16 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 12:33:11 PM
It's dumb to look at total contract values. They are meaningless other than for an ego. All that matters is guaranteed money and what a player actually gets paid. They can sign him to a $800 billion deal for all I care as long as the guarantees are reasonable. The rest will disappear into thin air when he gets cut or does a new contract.Then let's put it a different way.
Would Revis be more valuable than Cromartie and McCourty plus probably having a little money left over
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
Then let's put it a different way.
Would Revis be more valuable than Cromartie and McCourty plus probably having a little money left over
Why are you inventing contract details and then decrying your own inventions? This is ludicrous even by your standards.
Would you sign Revis for the Jets for vet minimum? If the answer to that is yes then you're not against signing Revis, you just put a ceiling value on him. Instead of talking about all the value that you think he isn't worth, why don't you talk about what you think he is?
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2015, 12:49:18 PM
Why are you inventing contract details and then decrying your own inventions? This is ludicrous even by your standards.
Where have you been lately? This is what he does in every FA discussion.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 12:51:58 PM
Why are you inventing contract details and then decrying your own inventions? This is ludicrous even by your standards.I'm not inventing I'm speculating on what he will get.
Would you sign Revis for the Jets for vet minimum? If the answer to that is yes then you're not against signing Revis, you just put a ceiling value on him. Instead of talking about all the value that you think he isn't worth, why don't you talk about what you think he is?
Revis has major name recognition and that is going to come at a significant premium. Plus any team that wants to pull him away from a superbowl contender is certainly going to pay a premium for that.
You don't need to be a genius to see that Revis is going to get substantially more than all the other corner options out there.
The money COMBINED with his age is the biggest issue. If Revis was 26 or turning 27 then wildly overpaying might not be the worst thing. But for a rebuilding team to pay an extreme premium for a guy over 30 just isn't wise.
Forget all my rampant speculation for a second and let me ask you this. Do you think Revis will earn substantially more than what the typical top corner does?
Richard Sherman, 26 years old didn't even get 12 freaking million a year after winning a superbowl . Yet the belief is Revis is going to be gunning for at least 16/year.
Regardless of how poorly presented and organized my argument is this simple fact remains . Revis is over 30 and will command substantially more money than any other corner in the league.
That is the crux of the problem
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 01:11:29 PM
I'm not inventing I'm speculating on what he will get.
Revis has major name recognition and that is going to come at a significant premium. Plus any team that wants to pull him away from a superbowl contender is certainly going to pay a premium for that.
You don't need to be a genius to see that Revis is going to get substantially more than all the other corner options out there.
The money COMBINED with his age is the biggest issue. If Revis was 26 or turning 27 then wildly overpaying might not be the worst thing. But for a rebuilding team to pay an extreme premium for a guy over 30 just isn't wise.
Forget all my rampant speculation for a second and let me ask you this. Do you think Revis will earn substantially more than what the typical top corner does?
Richard Sherman, 26 years old didn't even get 12 freaking million a year after winning a superbowl . Yet the belief is Revis is going to be gunning for at least 16/year.
Regardless of how poorly presented and organized my argument is this simple fact remains . Revis is over 30 and will command substantially more money than any other corner in the league.
That is the crux of the problem
I'd pay Revis quite a bit of money while he is 30-32 years old. That's 3 years. No contract he signs is going to be one that can't be exited after 3 years if need be. If he signs a 5 year deal, he will not be on that contract for 5 years. Something will happen before then. He will get cut, restructured, something.
His NE contract was a 2 year deal that was really only a 1 year deal. His last Jets contract was a 4 year deal that was only 3 in reality.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 01:14:03 PM
I'd pay Revis quite a bit of money while he is 30-32 years old. That's 3 years. No contract he signs is going to be one that can't be exited after 3 years if need be. If he signs a 5 year deal, he will not be on that contract for 5 years. Something will happen before then. He will get cut, restructured, something.What's a realistic contract that Revis would sign in your opinion, that you would be happy with?
His NE contract was a 2 year deal that was really only a 1 year deal. His last Jets contract was a 4 year deal that was only 3 in reality.
I can't see a scenario in which Revis comes here and makes less. Than 50 million being here at least 3 years
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 03, 2015, 01:29:55 PM
What's a realistic contract that Revis would sign in your opinion, that you would be happy with?l
I can't see a scenario in which Revis comes here and makes less. Than 50 million being here at least 3 years
Why do you think he is going to sign a contract that locks him up for 3 years? He seems fine taking the risk of no future guarantees for upfront money. Give him his market value this year and deal with next year when it comes.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 01:37:07 PM
lI imagine that deal with new England was his version of a one year prove it deal so he could get a real bounty.
Why do you think he is going to sign a contract that locks him up for 3 years? He seems fine taking the risk of no future guarantees for upfront money. Give him his market value this year and deal with next year when it comes.
With Tampa he was forced there in a trade
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 01:45:21 PM
What's a realistic contract that Revis would sign in your opinion, that you would be happy with?
I can't see a scenario in which Revis comes here and makes less. Than 50 million being here at least 3 years
All I'd care about is the guaranteed money and how long we are realistically tied to him. With most every contract, you can tell which year is the first year you could get out if things weren't working out well.
He is going to look at the Peterson, Haden, and Sherman contracts as comparison obviously.
With Revis, it's all about respect money-wise. First and foremost, he is going to want to be the highest paid corner per year on paper, regardless of how meaningless it is. That would be over Peterson and Sherman's $14 million/yr. What really matters is how much money he is guaranteed and how much he will make over the first 3 years. I have no idea what that will be because there are injury guarantees and real guarantees. Frankly, I don't care enough to understand those minor points. Basically he will probably end up on PAPER getting $14-16 million/year, but in reality it'll be a 3 year deal masquerading as a 4-5 year deal with money at the end he will never see.
He will get more real guaranteed $ than any other corner in the league because the other ones didn't get a lot of fully guaranteed money as compared to past deals. Actually Haden's deal may be the best in the end.
As long as we aren't forcibly tied to him for more than 3 years, I'd be fine with him getting $30-$35 million guaranteed total. Balloon the total number to whatever. Call it 5 years, $80 million with $30 million guaranteed. He gets to say he makes $16 million/year, even though he doesn't. He'd have more guaranteed $, more per year, and more total contract $ than any other corner. What really matters is what it looks like after year 3. Ideally we have something that we can get out of after 3 years if need be or stick around for a 4th year if he's still playing very well. I expect the 5th year to be ridiculous just to inflate numbers and not something the Jets would plan on keeping him for. Hopefully a good amount is front-loaded since we have the cap space now. If he ends up getting paid in the neighborhood of $40-$45 million over the first 3 years, I'll be fine.
I'm not too concerned or knowledgeable to worry about exact dollar figures.
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 03, 2015, 01:45:36 PM
I imagine that deal with new England was his version of a one year prove it deal so he could get a real bounty.
With Tampa he was forced there in a trade
It wasn't a prove it contract. It was an Revis is a stubborn freak and needs to average 16 million a year even if he only sees 12 contract. He'll sign another unless someone wants to give him 16 million for multiple years.
Post by: Laxin on March 03, 2015, 01:46:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2015, 02:02:02 PM
I'm not inventing I'm speculating on what he will get.
Revis has major name recognition and that is going to come at a significant premium. Plus any team that wants to pull him away from a superbowl contender is certainly going to pay a premium for that.
You don't need to be a genius to see that Revis is going to get substantially more than all the other corner options out there.
The money COMBINED with his age is the biggest issue. If Revis was 26 or turning 27 then wildly overpaying might not be the worst thing. But for a rebuilding team to pay an extreme premium for a guy over 30 just isn't wise.
Forget all my rampant speculation for a second and let me ask you this. Do you think Revis will earn substantially more than what the typical top corner does?
Richard Sherman, 26 years old didn't even get 12 freaking million a year after winning a superbowl . Yet the belief is Revis is going to be gunning for at least 16/year.
Regardless of how poorly presented and organized my argument is this simple fact remains . Revis is over 30 and will command substantially more money than any other corner in the league.
That is the crux of the problem
So answer my questions. Would you sign Revis for vet minimum, and if so what's the maximum you'd be prepared to give him?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
So answer my questions. Would you sign Revis for vet minimum, and if so what's the maximum you'd be prepared to give him?I wouldn't want Revis here for more than 12 million a year. 4,5, even 6 years I could care less.
Over 12 million a year and I'd prefer us to get someone younger.
I think the value of McCourty and Cromartie would be vastly superior.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2015, 04:05:36 PM
I wouldn't want Revis here for more than 12 million a year. 4,5, even 6 years I could care less.
Over 12 million a year and I'd prefer us to get someone younger.
I think the value of McCourty and Cromartie would be vastly superior.
DCM we have so much freaking money available (and need to spend tons of it) I see no reason we can't sign all 3 and still have nough money to sign Randall Cobb, MoWilk, CJ spiller and 2 other low acquisition guys while praying to Jesus Donte Fowler slides to 6.
Note: I'm not saying this is my offseason plan, but we have the money to do it
Post by: ons on March 03, 2015, 04:07:14 PM
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29m29 minutes ago
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
Are we still under investigation for tampering with Revis?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
DCM we have so much freaking money available (and need to spend tons of it) I see no reason we can't sign all 3 and still have nough money to sign Randall Cobb, MoWilk, CJ spiller and 2 other low acquisition guys while praying to Jesus Donte Fowler slides to 6.
Note: I'm not saying this is my offseason plan, but we have the money to do it
I'm sure that's what Tannenbaum said.
I'm not saying our GM should act like Idzik, but be shouldn't be Tanny either.
We have lots of needs. Wilkerson will eat up a chunk of cash, then we gotta beef up our offensive line, safety, cornerback, linebacker, receiver.
If Coples turns it on this year and Milliner comes back strong. We could owe them and Richardson a lot of money in the near future, while still having to replace Brick and Mangold soon
Let's not forget that Snacks and maybe Ellis gotta get paid this year too.
And Davis right around the corner as well
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2015, 04:19:06 PM
$60 million in space this year if we cut Harvin. We have to spend (cash wise) something close to $141 million the next two seasons on average. If Revis and Cro are essentially two year deals that's literally perfect for what we need in terms of cash spending.
I'm sure that's what Tannenbaum said.
I'm not saying our GM should act like Idzik, but be shouldn't be Tanny either.
We have lots of needs. Wilkerson will eat up a chunk of cash, then we gotta beef up our offensive line, safety, cornerback, linebacker, receiver.
If Coples turns it on this year and Milliner comes back strong. We could owe them and Richardson a lot of money in the near future, while still having to replace Brick and Mangold soon
the difference between this and 5 years ago with those two is the length of the deals. That's higely different committing high salaries for 2 years as opposed to 5 or more (in terms of real deal length)
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 04:27:17 PM
$60 million in space this year if we cut Harvin. We have to spend (cash wise) something close to $141 million the next two seasons on average. If Revis and Cro are essentially two year deals that's literally perfect for what we need in terms of cash spending.Figure 10 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris as well.
the difference between this and 5 years ago with those two is the length of the deals. That's higely different committing high salaries for 2 years as opposed to 5 or more (in terms of real deal length)
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2015, 04:28:03 PM
Figure 10-15 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris.
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
shut the freak up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Figure 10 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris as well.
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
Move this to the porta potty and name it "dcm's mock offseason"
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
shut the freak upI'm just saying that money isn't going to fill all our needs and showing how easily 60m Is gone
Wilkerson Ellis and snacks alone is a huge chunk of cash. Plus the rookies
Before replacing Harris, Harvin, Chris Johnson, and rebuilding our entire secondary.
Revis is a luxury purchase, and we're not in the position for such
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2015, 04:31:39 PM
Revis is a luxury purchase, and we're not in the position for such
How is an elite #1 CB a luxury? You don't have to answer this. I still want you to shut the freak up.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
2) don't cut Harvin
3) ?
4) Bam profit
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 04:32:41 PM
How is an elite #1 CB a luxury? You don't have to answer this. I still want you to shut the freak up.It's not. The best corner in the game at a significant premium price is a luxury.
Big difference
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2015, 07:39:24 PM
Figure 10 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris as well.
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
Wilkerson is getting extended I seriously doubt he gets $10 million ADDITIONAL dollars.
as to WR we need one high level body in FA Unless it's Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas (which it won't be) we won't pay any one guy $10 million a year. we are only bringing in one OL in FA and it likely will be a mid-level guard like Todd Heremans who I imagine will get about 4-5 million a year. Ellis probably won't stick around, but if he does it will be for a small 2-3 mill a year deal. Snacks will get tendered this year and make in the ball park of 3 million this year.
I'd bet Mccourty, Cro and Revis account for 22-25 million in cap space next year. Mccourty at 6-8, Revis at 13 and Cro at 4-6 million.
Yes we can spend $60 million in the blink of an eye. But we can still spend it wisely and structure deals so that some are backloaded with 'fake money' that players won't ever really see (aka what everyone is claiming we do with the Revis deal) to make the contracts bigger and more illustrious than they actually are.
You are drastically overestimating the costs of everyone and assuming we will try and bring in all marquee guys instead of 2-3 elite players, a few aging vets who can play now, and will make solid but not great money, and a few solid role players to fill slots until guys we draft can fill the voids.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
Sources: Jets' Woody Johnson involved in serious internal discussions to make a push for Revis
I really hope this isn't a Woody driven thing.
I don't want Revis barring extremely reasonable pricing, but I REALLY don't want Revis if Bowles and Mac aren't 100% in favor of it
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2015, 08:25:05 PM
Manish Mehta
Sources: Jets' Woody Johnson involved in serious internal discussions to make a push for Revis
I really hope this isn't a Woody driven thing.
I don't want Revis barring extremely reasonable pricing, but I REALLY don't want Revis if Bowles and Mac aren't 100% in favor of it
1. This was already posted.
2. We already know you don't want Darrelle Revis.
3. Shut the freak up.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 08:26:30 PM
1. This was already posted.He just tweeted it like 20 minutes ago?
2. We already know you don't want Darrelle Revis.
3. Shut the freak up.
Though it was a link to the same article, so fair enough
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 08:34:20 PM
He just tweeted it like 20 minutes ago?He tweets his same articles 900 times to get clicks.
Though it was a link to the same article, so fair enough
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2015, 08:48:23 PM
Jets set to visit with former Rams DT Kendall Langford, as @nwagoner noted. Bowles, DC Kacy Rodgers know him from Miami Dolphins. #nyj
This should really shore up our lack of talent on the line.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
This should really shore up our lack of talent on the line.He'll get a job here after Rex signs Snacks based on our tender, signs Ellis, and TJ Barnes.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 08:51:58 PM
This should really shore up our lack of talent on the line.Him and Dockett
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2015, 09:02:23 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
Dockett could potentially be a 3rd down option if you took Snacks off the field, but I doubt he'd want to settle for part time work.I mean he is 34
If he wants to play a few more seasons part time they might be the key to that
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2015, 09:07:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2015, 04:01:17 PM
Chris Canty to visit New York Jets on Friday and Saturday
Post by: Heismanberg on March 04, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider 8m8 minutes ago
Chris Canty to visit New York Jets on Friday and Saturday
Sign all the defensive linemen!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2015, 04:03:01 PM
Sign all the defensive linemen!
Need more WR jammers.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 04, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
If there's a tweet about a free agent, there's a free agency thread. If there's a tweet about a signing, create a new thread.
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2015, 05:03:06 PM
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2015, 03:01:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2015, 03:10:57 PM
Bringing this thread back to life. Please post tweets related to player acquisitions etc in their own threads, or Heismanberg will get mad again.
Good rule of thumb is "did something happen?" If so, start a thread or post it in a relevant existing thread.
Examples of things that go here:
Mangold posted a picture of his beard
Larry David talked about the Jets in an interview
Examples of things that don't go here:
Dexter McDougle has been placed on IR
The Jets have released Darrin Walls
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2015, 03:14:31 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
"did something happen?"
Yes? Oooh, here's a thread with the word "Jets" in it. I'll just leave this here......
What I did.
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
What I did.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2015, 03:58:10 PM
Former #Jets who'll be at vet combine: CBs Aaron Berry, Julian Posey, Johnny Patrick, WR Thomas Mayo, LBs Steele Divitto, Marcus Dowtin
It's like the Playboy Mansion for Steiny.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 04:11:14 PM
Bringing this thread back to life. Please post tweets related to player acquisitions etc in their own threads, or Heismanberg will get mad again.
Yeah we don't want to pee him off:
Henry Winkler @hwinkler4real 5h5 hours ago
@Cinemax #Banshee only 2 more days until the next episode !!!
This is from the dude that plays Clay Burton on Banshee:
Matthew Rauch @mattyrauch Mar 9
the #banshee S3 finale is friday night. do not miss it. it's amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dPb_D51gXM&feature=youtu.be … @Cinemax @Fanshees @Canshees @Cinemax_Banshee
Cinemax @Cinemax Mar 9
More blood. More guns. More deaths. Watch the #Banshee season finale Friday at 10PM on #Cinemax.
r o s e @pnutsplace7 Mar 9
In @TVGuideMagazine's top 10 must see shows this week! #Banshee #BansheeFinale "Multiple showdowns"🙈🙊🙈
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Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
I'm the one that kept freaking up this thread. I'm the Tommy of this thread.
Hey, now, I thought we were friends. No more shots for you.
Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 04:11:37 PM
I'm the one that kept freaking up this thread. I'm the Tommy of this thread.
Just kidding. Shots shots shots!
Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 04:12:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2015, 04:13:20 PM
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
@hwinkler4real
wat
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2015, 04:19:39 PM
wat
Jack Robinson
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 04:20:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2015, 04:22:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2015, 04:28:41 PM
Just kidding. Shots shots shots!
We're goin' to Ricks!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2015, 04:29:03 PM
Bahahahaha Charlie Casserly is straight deepthroating the Jets offseason moves on NFLN
Duff likes his balls polished to a shine.
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2015, 04:32:11 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 04:33:04 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2015, 04:42:39 PM
I just realized Puck follows Henry Winkler on twitter.Ayyyyyy
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2015, 04:43:39 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
My dad just texted me a picture of his barbecue and said "All this Jets news makes me want to tailgate" but I read it as "Jews make me want to tailgate".
Well, that's technically not inaccurate. Ahem Puck.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 11, 2015, 05:06:33 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 05:26:58 PM
I just realized Puck follows Henry Winkler on twitter.
Love Brokers
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
Well, that's technically not inaccurate. Ahem Puck.Hahaha
I am wearing my Jets yarmulke.
Post by: Koz on March 11, 2015, 08:03:35 PM
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2015, 08:05:22 PM
Let us never forget this gem!!!
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
hahahahahahaha
Post by: Koz on March 11, 2015, 08:06:13 PM
hahahahahahaha
Make sure that you open the entire post for all-out fagalishious activity. Furthermore, I would like to add that Puck is a poster "of dubious quality."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2015, 08:18:54 PM
Prolly lit the fuckin field up.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 11, 2015, 08:26:55 PM
@Steiny31: Greg Salas was Brett Hundley's WR at his Pro Day. #nyj
Prolly lit the fuckin field up.
How did that happen?
Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 08:38:49 PM
Let us never forget this gem!!!
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
Hahahhaa. That's awesome.
Btw I love their shoes. Didn't know there was an Allen Edmonds forum.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
Let us never forget this gem!!!
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
Hey I wanted nice shoes now I do. Thank you Style forum.
Oh thanks you big headed freak, one post in a month and it's that.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
Hahahhaa. That's awesome.
Btw I love their shoes. Didn't know there was an Allen Edmonds forum.
Yeah they make some great shoes. Lol I got sick of the crappy stuff like Bostonian.
Post by: Pope on March 11, 2015, 09:18:03 PM
These if I'm not mistaken
http://us.shop.ecco.com/men-classics/ecco-seattle-apron-toe-slip-on-050304.html?dwvar_050304_color=00101#cgid=men-classics
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Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2015, 09:31:47 PM
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Post by: Tommy on March 11, 2015, 10:02:27 PM
I have a pair of Ecco shoes I bought a few months back. Very happy with em. They're probably not up to your gay cruise standards but I work in IT and wear jeans and a polo so they don't have to be
These if I'm not mistaken
http://us.shop.ecco.com/men-classics/ecco-seattle-apron-toe-slip-on-050304.html?dwvar_050304_color=00101#cgid=men-classics
Those look real comfortable.
Post by: Cane on March 11, 2015, 10:04:48 PM
I have a pair of Ecco shoes I bought a few months back. Very happy with em. They're probably not up to your gay cruise standards but I work in IT and wear jeans and a polo so they don't have to be
These if I'm not mistaken
http://us.shop.ecco.com/men-classics/ecco-seattle-apron-toe-slip-on-050304.html?dwvar_050304_color=00101#cgid=men-classics
I wear the exact same shoes every day for work. Great shoes, comfortable and durable.
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2015, 10:43:08 PM
What is this excrement, the Al Bundy shoe hour? GTFO.
/r/malefashionadvice
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2015, 08:25:05 AM
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 08:33:47 AM
The #Jets have released Woody Johnson and signed Fireman Ed to be the new owner of the team.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 08:38:48 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2015, 08:57:58 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2015, 10:27:53 AM
@QuincyEnunwa: Excited doesn't even define what I am to have for the opportunity to watch Brandon Marshall go against the best in practice everyday. #RevisIsland
FYP.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 10:41:16 AM
Rex Ryan said on @FAN590 that he tried to trade for Tyrod Taylor when he was with the Jets.
Post by: NDMick on March 12, 2015, 10:46:18 AM
Mike Rodak @mikerodak 30m30 minutes ago
Rex Ryan said on @FAN590 that he tried to trade for Tyrod Taylor when he was with the Jets.
so Ryan really is retarded when it comes to QBs.
#rytard
Post by: Tommy on March 12, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
so Ryan really is retarded when it comes to QBs.
#rytard
His last two starting QBs wasn't proof enough for you?
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 10:49:21 AM
His last two starting QBs wasn't proof enough for you?
He didn't pick Geno.
Post by: NDMick on March 12, 2015, 10:53:11 AM
His last two starting QBs wasn't proof enough for you?
One of them gave the Jets the best postseason runs they've ever had since Namath. Had horrid games, but showed up in the playoffs.
The other was a joke of a college QB that became a joke of a NFL QB. freaking Tajh Boyd.
Post by: Laxin on March 12, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
Mike Rodak @mikerodak 30m30 minutes ago
Rex Ryan said on @FAN590 that he tried to trade for Tyrod Taylor when he was with the Jets.
Rex mode engaged:
cant trade for Tyrod Taylor --> draft Tahj Boyd
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2015, 01:42:12 PM
Mentioned this in the Rex thread, but Tyrod is the best QB Rex has ever had. Not kidding either. I actually like Tyrod. He's not good, but he's better than Sanchez/Geno.
Tyrod Taylor hasn't thrown a TD pass in the NFL.
He is not better than Mark Sanchez.
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2015, 01:43:29 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 12, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Tyrod Taylor hasn't thrown a TD pass in the NFL.Yeah, but he's only thrown 2 interceptions #dropsmic
He is not better than Mark Sanchez.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2015, 01:46:21 PM
Matt Simms is a better NFL QB than Tyrod Taylor
He has a considerably better TD:INT ratio, and a much better overall rating.
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2015, 01:48:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2015, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2015, 02:08:05 PM
Obi Wan Kenyrod
Hey hey now.
Don't sully Bolobi.
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2015, 02:14:06 PM
Hey hey now.
Don't sully Bolobi.
You started an epidemic.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
Todd Bowles & Mike Maccagnan didn't know each other two months ago. Turns out, they're similar: bold, quick decision makers, want to win.
Post by: insanity on March 12, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports 5m5 minutes ago
Todd Bowles & Mike Maccagnan didn't know each other two months ago. Turns out, they're similar: bold, quick decision makers, want to win.
They also both have the letter "e" in their name. Somehow that's the only similar letter....
Post by: Coach K on March 12, 2015, 02:19:46 PM
You started an epidemic.
At least it's made the offseason funnier.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 02:35:06 PM
This defense could be a better defense than any that Rex has fielded….better personnel
Post by: hawk on March 12, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Damien Woody @damienwoody 13m13 minutes ago
This defense could be a better defense than any that Rex has fielded….better personnel
Bullshit, a coach doesn't need good personnel.
Post by: Tommy on March 12, 2015, 02:37:40 PM
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports 5m5 minutes ago
Todd Bowles & Mike Maccagnan didn't know each other two months ago. Turns out, they're similar: bold, quick decision makers, want to win.
Oh really? They want to win? Well thank fuckn God.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 02:41:43 PM
Oh really? They want to win? Well thank fuckn God.
Well not if they start Geno.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
We're about to be too real, can't wait to learn from some greats ✈️ #JetUp #SavageSeasonComing #Grinding
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 12, 2015, 02:51:23 PM
Dexter McDougle @Blasian_Kiddd 3m3 minutes ago
We're about to be too real, can't wait to learn from some greats ✈️ #JetUp #SavageSeasonComing #Grinding
Exactly the right attitude. Good on him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 12, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
Oh really? They want to win? Well thank fuckn God.
Normally I hate that cliché but it's actually a change of pace from last year.
Post by: Laxin on March 12, 2015, 02:53:14 PM
Well not if they start Geno.
Fitz/Mariota ftw
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2015, 02:56:02 PM
Dexter McDougle @Blasian_Kiddd 3m3 minutes ago
We're about to be too real, can't wait to learn from some greats ✈️ #JetUp #SavageSeasonComing #Grinding
I think McDougle has a better chance to stick around than Milliner. He'll probably be similar to Skrine, a nickel guy that can play on the outside if needed.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 02:56:31 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 12, 2015, 03:58:37 PM
https://twitter.com/mowilkerson/status/576109158900051968
Haha nice
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Geno Smith at QB: 67% C%, 10.0 YPA, 11.5 aDOT
Peyton Manning QB: 66%, 9.1 YPA, 11.5 aDOT
Interesting... #Jets
Post by: Jumbo on March 13, 2015, 06:19:30 AM
@MikeClayNFL: Eric Decker splits:
Geno Smith at QB: 67% C%, 10.0 YPA, 11.5 aDOT
Peyton Manning QB: 66%, 9.1 YPA, 11.5 aDOT
Interesting... #Jets
Clearly a product of Geno
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2015, 08:11:00 AM
TBJF made a song for decker
TheMadFanatic - Quadruple Decker (Eric Decker SONG): https://youtu.be/iFL-asQPjns
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2015, 08:43:01 AM
Remember Rosh Hashanah starts on the opening Sunday night of season. Jets prefer not to have home games on the holidays. Might rule out MNF
Good. I don't want them to open on MNF.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 13, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
https://twitter.com/MaccagnanNYJ
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ
Just mailed a lovely bread basket to Idzik in Florida. Thanks for the opportunity to be a God in less than 72 hours.
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ · 11h 11 hours ago
Just fired an unnamed employee immediately for bringing up our last GM's name. This building suffered enough. You will regret testing me.
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ · 14h 14 hours ago
I've memorized every detail of every prospect in this year's draft. I may not need the war room and will draft on my soft leather couch.
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ · 17h 17 hours ago
Just took a few minutes to pat myself on the back. God I'm good at this.
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ · 20h 20 hours ago
May skip the Mariota workout to go shopping for new underwear. I've analyzed every one of his throws since Pop Warner. I do my homework.
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ · Mar 12
Stud #1 WR ✔ Hall of Fame CB ✔ Fix awful secondary ✔ Add fat guard ✔ Add smart QB ✔ Keep complimenting myself on how perfect I am ✔
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ · Mar 11
Just had some fake negotiations with of a couple of agents I strongly dislike. I get your hopes up then immediately sign someone else.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2015, 09:47:50 AM
Post by: Koz on March 13, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 13, 2015, 09:55:13 AM
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ ·If you think I'm incredible at free agency (which I clearly am), wait till you see me draft. Scouting college talent is ingrained in my soul
Post by: Miamipuck on March 13, 2015, 09:56:29 AM
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Mike Maccagnan @MaccagnanNYJ ·
I won't stop until the Jets have a 99 rating in Madden.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2015, 09:57:36 AM
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
I think we're pretty much done in Free Agency. Maybe some additional depth signings here and there. I think we're ready for the draft.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2015, 10:07:16 AM
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Wilkerson won't get extended until after the draft so they know how much cap space is remaining in order to structure his deal properly- just on the off chance we make a draft day trade or something and take on more than just the draft picks.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2015, 09:28:31 AM
Post by: Tommy on March 15, 2015, 09:38:37 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2015, 10:34:27 AM
Post by: Hemi on March 15, 2015, 10:47:34 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
Jet up?
Jet on up.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2015, 03:10:16 PM
Jet on up.
Jet on down.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2015, 03:10:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
Jet on down.
No. No, that's not correct.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2015, 03:17:09 PM
No. No, that's not correct.Jet it out your derriere
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2015, 03:17:51 PM
Jet on up.
Like a Jet machine.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 15, 2015, 10:45:18 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 16, 2015, 10:38:39 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
Quote
An online petition to bring back Ed Anzalone as the famed "Fireman Ed" just might be working.
Retired from his role as "Fireman Ed" for over two seasons, the "J-E-T-S" chant that Anzalone once led at the Meadowlands and at MetLife Stadium just hasn't been the same. Two years ago, the Jets tried incorporating the 'Aviators' drum corps into the chant with a certain amount of success, a move that kept the chant alive but maybe lacked the personal touch that Anzalone brought. Then last year, in a season where there wasn't much to cheer about, a different fan was picked by the Jets each game to lead the chant, a move that seemed to garner some more success in terms of fan interaction.
But no one can compare to Anzalone and his ability to whip up the fans. On Thursday, Metro New York broke the news about a website called BringBackEd.com which has launched a petition with the hope that Anzalone will come back.
On Sunday, in his first interview on the topic, Anzalone told Metro that he is still retired from the role. But when asked if he could return, he didn't squash the idea.
“I don't know. I told you the way I feel. Will I come back? I'd rather see someone else make that thing happen then me come back. I'd rather see them give a young guy a fair chance. If that thing needed my help, I'd help,” Anzalone told Metro. “If they needed my help I would try to help them in any way I can.”
There is no criticism from Anzalone towards the Jets organization, who he says tried to recruit him back last spring to reclaim his role with the team. A retired New York City fireman, Anzalone was prominently featured several times a game on the big screens at the stadium where his familiar fireman's hat and his passionate displays would lead to lusty chanting from fans.
Now, it is those same fans that are reaching out to him, asking this giant of a fan to come back ahead of a season of optimism.
“The fans will ultimately decide what is going on, not me. What the Jets did with that contest – they tried – but they tied the hands of those guys. They tried but they didn't do their best effort. They need to give them access. If I can help out in any way, if I can help out to make that experience what it used to be, I'd never turn my back on the Jets or the fans,” Anzalone said. “I can't live forever. Even if I came back for a short period of time, someone has to take over. I'm double-nickel, I'm 55 years old. They need a young guy in there, there are plenty of guys willing to do it but the Jets need to help them do it the right way.”
As of Sunday afternoon, after just four days online, there were nearly 1,800 signatures on the BringBackEd.com website, founded by Jason Koeppel. It was Koeppel and his friends who initiated the FireJohnIdzik.com movement that gained national attention in its successful push to oust the team's old general manager.
“I'm honored, people want you back," Anzalone said. "It's an emotional thing, no doubt about it. My love for that team will never die. I never will quit on that team. I won't quit on this team I love. I stopped being Fireman Ed. That was my choice. I started Fireman Ed and I ended Fireman Ed. That was my choice. Did I want to? No, of course not. Did I leave because we were losing to the Patriots? No.
“That was just one of many times during the years that we lost and got crushed. There were a lot of circumstances. When you go into the bathroom and get accosted, it might be time to go. That time, I couldn't say it but now I can. When it comes to the point that you have to worry about your family, your well-being, it might be the time to move on. That's the reality of it.
“My love has never stopped.”
Just as Anzalone doesn't sound like he's ready to slam the door on a possible return, the Jets as an organization sound open as well as they continue to try to keep the chant alive.
“The chant belongs to the fans and we will continue to be responsive when fans ask for our assistance in identifying chant leaders," a team spokesman said in a statement. "Fireman Ed has been big part of the Jets gameday experience for a number of years. He made a personal decision to step away that we have respected. He would be welcome if he decides to return.”
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2015, 09:41:43 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2015, 09:42:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2015, 09:44:15 PM
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2015, 09:54:20 PM
#FuckYouBitches
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2015, 09:56:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2015, 10:03:42 PM
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2015, 11:40:22 PM
I really DGAF if it makes the stadium louder. Maybe next year they'll let people stand and cheer.
They won't.
#BringBackEd
Post by: Pope on March 17, 2015, 12:37:28 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2015, 06:27:21 AM
Post by: Tommy on March 17, 2015, 06:31:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2015, 06:31:56 AM
The stadium is a complete joke. Bring him back.The stadium is a joke either way.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2015, 06:47:13 AM
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2015, 07:03:19 AM
Pretty sure he quit because people were heckling him for wearing a Mark Sanchez jersey
A bit more than heckling. And he was still going to games, just not as the persona.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2015, 07:28:32 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2015, 07:35:39 AM
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
I don't see why everyone gets their panties wadded over this guy, let him come back.
People seem to invent reasons not to like him.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2015, 08:15:43 AM
People seem to invent reasons not to like him.
The common complaints are he gets free tickets or he didn't invent the chant.
As to the first, good for him if the team gives him free tickets, that's awesome, as for the 2nd, who gives a rats derriere.
Post by: Koz on March 17, 2015, 08:17:05 AM
I seriously hate that dick face. That fat freak that wears the retard helmet is also terrible.Captain Jet smells like dog excrement up close, but you will never know.
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2015, 08:40:51 AM
The common complaints are he gets free tickets or he didn't invent the chant.
As to the first, good for him if the team gives him free tickets, that's awesome, as for the 2nd, who gives a rats derriere.
Seriously, why do people care so goddamn much about some random dude who leads a chant
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 17, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
People seem to invent reasons not to like him.
Or have never been to a game but want him to.die in a fire.
Post by: Pope on March 17, 2015, 09:02:26 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2015, 09:03:44 AM
On a related note the drum line is gayer than AIDS
Actually, I think this is understated.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Seriously, why do people care so goddamn much about some random dude who leads a chant
No idea, maybe jealousy or something. I don't know the guy, so I can't say.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2015, 09:21:00 AM
On a related note the drum line is gayer than AIDSYes. They should just get Fireman Ed's permission to show an old clip of him on the big screen doing the chant thing. Problem solved.
Post by: Hemi on March 17, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
Seriously, why do people care so goddamn much about some random dude who leads a chant
I couldn't care either way. But it does add to the game atmosphere when you are there.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 17, 2015, 11:17:15 AM
I tried to sign the petition but my job blocks change.org. If I remember though, I'll sign it tonight.
As was said: those drums are a disgrace.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 17, 2015, 11:26:32 AM
i don't give a excrement either way
Ditto. I do think it's funny the petition was started by TGGers, though.
I think the people who hate him are jealous, TBH.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2015, 11:31:27 AM
Ditto. I do think it's funny the petition was started by TGGers, though.There's a petition?
I think the people who hate him are jealous, TBH.
What a waste of time and energy
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2015, 11:35:08 AM
Ditto. I do think it's funny the petition was started by TGGers, though.
I think the people who hate him are jealous, TBH.
I thought it was the FireIdzik people?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 17, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2015, 11:40:59 AM
I'm bored. Why haven't we signed anyone in the last couple of days?They are still counting out Revis' money to him. He wanted it in singles.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2015, 11:43:01 AM
They are still counting out Revis' money to him. He wanted it in singles.
(http://i.imgur.com/un9kg.gif)
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 17, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
I thought it was the FireIdzik people?
It is. They post on TGG.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/bring-back-fireman-ed.83690/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2015, 01:08:05 PM
It is. They post on TGG.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/bring-back-fireman-ed.83690/
Praise Revis Christ for JO. They still have a Tebow forum over there?
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
It is. They post on TGG.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/bring-back-fireman-ed.83690/
Gross.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2015, 02:18:59 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 20, 2015, 01:27:20 PM
"The @NYJets have a chance to be the best defense in the league."
WATCH: http://at.nfl.com/SOzYxFQ
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
NFL Network @nflnetwork 13h13 hours ago"the Jets have a chance to make the playoffs"
"The @NYJets have a chance to be the best defense in the league."
WATCH: http://at.nfl.com/SOzYxFQ
"the Jets have a chance to draft a QB"
Jets have a chance to improve on their 4-12 record
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2015, 10:57:20 AM
http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-cap-space-1/
15 million
And there's at least 5 teams who don't have enough cap to sign rookies yet.
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2015, 10:59:18 AM
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2015, 11:19:45 AM
Jason's numbers are probably more accurate as they take into account contracts as soon as they're signed, and on his numbers we're 17th:It was from the NFLPA report done yesterday. I'd imagine their numbers are the most accurate
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2015, 11:36:07 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2015, 12:06:28 PM
Did you even read your own link?Just this part
Here’s a look at the current NFL cap space for each team. These figures are are as of March 21, per the NFLPA cap report.
And the part about it taking several days for new contract info to come out, which presumably both the NFLPA and Jason don't have (being that the information isn't available)
The latest 'son " isn't on Jasons website either
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2015, 02:12:45 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2015, 07:49:15 PM
Rich Cimini
Random contract note: Antonio Cromartie's 4 yr/$32M deal with Jets includes only $7M gtd - $5M base + $2M roster bonus at signing. #nyj
8:38PM EDT
This kind of post is not what this thread is for.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2015, 07:49:38 PM
Rich Cimini
Random contract note: Antonio Cromartie's 4 yr/$32M deal with Jets includes only $7M gtd - $5M base + $2M roster bonus at signing. #nyj
8:38PM EDT
Prolly oughta put that over at the Cro thread. Awesome if true. I thought that was his first year of guaranteed money. Damn.
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2015, 04:02:39 PM
Woody says he was impressed by Marcus Mariota's college career but says Geno Smith is "way ahead of him" in development.
Post by: Badger on March 23, 2015, 04:07:56 PM
Per bart hubboch
Woody says he was impressed by Marcus Mariota's college career but says Geno Smith is "way ahead of him" in development.
SMOKESCREEN
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2015, 05:02:10 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on March 23, 2015, 05:04:29 PM
If geno is way ahead, Mariota is fucked
fyp
Post by: Tommy on March 23, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 23, 2015, 10:47:16 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 24, 2015, 12:16:06 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 24, 2015, 10:15:15 AM
Barring multiple major injuries this is a 8-8 team at worst with our current QB situation. Even if a great QB is coming out next year we will be in no position to draft him. This team should be competing for a wild card, if not the division, for the next 2-3 years before we see any major roster fluctuation. Mariota might be the last chance we have at drafting a potential franchise QB for a few years.
Obviously we might get lucky outside of a top 10 pick, but that is pretty damn rare.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2015, 10:24:28 AM
I'm warming on the idea of taking Mariota, seeing as there is no chance of getting Winston.Barring an unexpected arrest or positive drug test, I wouldn't count on Mariota being available
Barring multiple major injuries this is a 8-8 team at worst with our current QB situation. Even if a great QB is coming out next year we will be in no position to draft him. This team should be competing for a wild card, if not the division, for the next 2-3 years before we see any major roster fluctuation. Mariota might be the last chance we have at drafting a potential franchise QB for a few years.
Obviously we might get lucky outside of a top 10 pick, but that is pretty damn rare.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 24, 2015, 10:38:02 AM
Barring an unexpected arrest or positive drug test, I wouldn't count on Mariota being available
Certainly not counting on it, but (not that I put a ton of stock in them) all 6 mock drafts on nfl.com have him going at 6 or later. 2 have us drafting him, 1 has us trading the 6 to the Browns so they can draft him. The other 3?
13 - Saints
7 - Bears
12 - Browns
I will be shocked if the board doesn't fall Winston - Williams - Fowler - White - Gregory. This assumes there are no trades. I suppose the Jags are a wildcard, and if they take Mariota, the Skins take Fowler and we take Cooper instead.
Now if someone offers a package including their first round pick in 2016, we would have the ammo to trade up to get a QB next year, but that's an entirely different story.
Post by: Badger on March 24, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
Certainly not counting on it, but (not that I put a ton of stock in them) all 6 mock drafts on nfl.com have him going at 6 or later. 2 have us drafting him, 1 has us trading the 6 to the Browns so they can draft him. The other 3?
13 - Saints
7 - Bears
12 - Browns
I will be shocked if the board doesn't fall Winston - Williams - Fowler - White - Gregory. This assumes there are no trades. I suppose the Jags are a wildcard, and if they take Mariota, the Skins take Fowler and we take Cooper instead.
Now if someone offers a package including their first round pick in 2016, we would have the ammo to trade up to get a QB next year, but that's an entirely different story.
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 24, 2015, 10:46:36 AM
Post by: NDMick on March 24, 2015, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 24, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
He's definitely blowing smoke. Even if they did draft him, they would be retarded to start him day 1. That team needs a ton of help. Either take the best defensive (hell, overall) player in the draft or trade out of the spot to fill multiple holes.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 24, 2015, 10:52:57 AM
If he doesn't go to the Titans, I want Cleveland's two 1st rounders.
I would rather have this years 1 and 2, and next years 1.
Post by: Badger on March 24, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
He's definitely blowing smoke. Even if they did draft him, they would be retarded to start him day 1. That team needs a ton of help. Either take the best defensive (hell, overall) player in the draft or trade out of the spot to fill multiple holes.
If there's anything I've learned over the years of following the NFL, it's that just because something is stupid doesn't mean someone won't do it.
But it's usually stupid in ways we can't predict.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 24, 2015, 10:54:54 AM
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
The only reason for a team to trade all the way to 2 to take him is if it thinks the Jets want him. It's going to be absurdly expensive, and you have to figure if the Titans really want him, they'll just sit tight and take him. If I'm a GM, I'd be asking the Jets what they want for the spot under the condition that he's available. I'm not taking a chance on the Bears or another team trading up north of 10.
Post by: NDMick on March 24, 2015, 10:55:51 AM
I would rather have this years 1 and 2, and next years 1.
Me too. They would probably suggest taking multiple 2nd rounders from this year and next year.
It would be great if this trade happened and the Jets got enough back to make a big push for someone in next year's draft.
Post by: NDMick on March 24, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
If there's anything I've learned over the years of following the NFL, it's that just because something is stupid doesn't mean someone won't do it.
I forget the GM's name, but there was one guy who told the whole league exactly what he was going to do every year, and no one believed him. Every year he'd say "I'm taking this guy if he's available." And he did.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 24, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
I forget the GM's name, but there was one guy who told the whole league exactly what he was going to do every year, and no one believed him. Every year he'd say "I'm taking this guy if he's available." And he did.
See if you had said there was a GM who told the whole league that he had absolutely no clue WTF he was doing every year, it would have been a lot easier. #Idzik
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote
Ian RapoportVerified account
@RapSheet
Tight end Kellen Davis, most recently of the #Lions, took a visit to the #Jets
The guy is a superbowl champion, he must be good
Post by: Libero_2 on March 24, 2015, 09:41:25 PM
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
I thought he was saying if you take a QB at two (the question was about Mariota so it's assumed that's what he meant) the guy is going to start pretty damn soon, otherwise you wouldn't have been confident taking him at 2.
Post by: Badger on March 24, 2015, 10:48:05 PM
I thought he was saying if you take a QB at two (the question was about Mariota so it's assumed that's what he meant) the guy is going to start pretty damn soon, otherwise you wouldn't have been confident taking him at 2.
I heard his actual quote on TV when I got home and yeah, it was way less direct than the way they made it sound.
Post by: Jumbo on March 26, 2015, 01:10:00 AM
Post by: Jetaho on March 26, 2015, 09:18:39 AM
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/new-york-jets-prom-proposal-032515?adbsc=social_20150325_42691326&adbid=877749292263212&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275It would be so funny if she winds up murdering him, Carrie style.
Post by: Coach K on March 26, 2015, 09:25:13 AM
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/new-york-jets-prom-proposal-032515?adbsc=social_20150325_42691326&adbid=877749292263212&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275
sounds like a keeper to me
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 09:25:43 AM
It would be so funny if she winds up murdering him, Carrie style.
That reminds me, I need to watch The Loved Ones.
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 09:27:43 AM
sounds like a keeper to me
According to her twitter account, they are just friends.
Oof.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2015, 09:29:06 AM
That reminds me, I need to watch The Loved Ones.
yes you do
Post by: Coach K on March 26, 2015, 09:33:35 AM
According to her twitter account, they are just friends.
Oof.
No way, that's cruel as hell. lol mixed signals in tge grandest gesture
Post by: Laxin on March 26, 2015, 09:47:00 AM
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/new-york-jets-prom-proposal-032515?adbsc=social_20150325_42691326&adbid=877749292263212&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275
This kid used to be friends with my younger sister... He's slightly autistic and his family has used his autism as a way to baby him and pretty much get him whatever he wants- he's met Derek Jeter on multiple occasions and Im pretty sure many other sports stars. When he went to high school he became "friends" with more popular kids, which seemed like a joke in their eyes from my understanding. Im fairly certain that this "promposal" was done out of pity rather than good will and that the girl basically just asked the Jets something along the lines of "this kid is really autistic can you do this for me". I mean it worked for her- she's going to be on good morning america and its all over the news on long island.
This may sound extremely cynical on my behalf, but the story isnt as heart warming as it seems from my understanding. The Jets did a nice job though. Good pub for them
Post by: Coach K on March 26, 2015, 09:53:52 AM
This kid used to be friends with my younger sister... He's slightly autistic and his family has used his autism as a way to baby him and pretty much get him whatever he wants- he's met Derek Jeter on multiple occasions and Im pretty sure many other sports stars. When he went to high school he became "friends" with more popular kids, which seemed like a joke in their eyes from my understanding. Im fairly certain that this "promposal" was done out of pity rather than good will and that the girl basically just asked the Jets something along the lines of "this kid is really autistic can you do this for me". I mean it worked for her- she's going to be on good morning america and its all over the news on long island.Rofl
This may sound extremely cynical on my behalf, but the story isnt as heart warming as it seems from my understanding. The Jets did a nice job though. Good pub for them
This story sounds like a reverse Carrie in the making
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
This kid used to be friends with my younger sister... He's slightly autistic and his family has used his autism as a way to baby him and pretty much get him whatever he wants- he's met Derek Jeter on multiple occasions and Im pretty sure many other sports stars. When he went to high school he became "friends" with more popular kids, which seemed like a joke in their eyes from my understanding. Im fairly certain that this "promposal" was done out of pity rather than good will and that the girl basically just asked the Jets something along the lines of "this kid is really autistic can you do this for me". I mean it worked for her- she's going to be on good morning america and its all over the news on long island.
I guess that would explain the firm "he's not my boyfriend" thing.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 26, 2015, 10:22:21 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
Not bad looking at all. Going to UB too.
Ew. Also, she's what? 16?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBCUszHWAAA0SKF.jpg)
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 11:19:57 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2015, 11:24:18 AM
Ew. Also, she's what? 16?She should give Sanchez a call in a year
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBCUszHWAAA0SKF.jpg)
Post by: NDMick on March 26, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 26, 2015, 11:53:13 AM
Ew. Also, she's what? 16?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBCUszHWAAA0SKF.jpg)
That looks like an older picture, there are some better ones. She's already accepted to UB, so she's most likely 17 or 18.
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 12:25:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ErOtmqt.png)
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2015, 12:32:14 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 26, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
That looks like an older picture, there are some better ones. She's already accepted to UB, so she's most likely 17 or 18.
How many pics have you looked at lol
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 01:33:45 PM
How many pics have you looked at lol
Fenwyr's garage:
(http://i.imgur.com/EObMBRA.jpg)
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 01:55:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rCSBKBI.png)
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2015, 02:01:35 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
But what can he taste?
whale semen.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2015, 02:03:07 PM
whale semen.
so it= whale semen.
I don't want to taste it.
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2015, 04:39:21 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 26, 2015, 05:04:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2015, 10:46:40 AM
I've really enjoyed Stephen Hill's transformation into a taller Clyde Gates.
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Clyde Gates is faster.
Actually Hill ran his 40 yd dash 0.01 seconds faster.
In general I'd much rather have Stephen Hill if I had to choose between the two.
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2015, 11:04:00 AM
I don't care what the 40 times say, Gates is faster under the eye test. Hill never, ever gets any separation,
Stopped reading here.
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2015, 11:05:29 AM
Stopped reading here.
Does my memory fail me? My abiding recollection of Stephen Hill is of him constantly under the wing of whatever scrub corner the opposition had arbitrarily assigned him that week.
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2015, 11:10:37 AM
Does my memory fail me? My abiding recollection of Stephen Hill is of him constantly under the wing of whatever scrub corner the opposition had arbitrarily assigned him that week.
I remember Stephen Hill jogging back to the huddle from 30 yards out because our QB threw the ball at someone else's feet.
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2015, 11:11:57 AM
I remember Stephen Hill jogging back to the huddle from 30 yards out because our QB threw the ball at someone else's feet.
I wouldn't for a moment excuse the miserable QB play he had to work with, but he didn't exactly give them options.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2015, 11:23:08 AM
Post by: hawk on March 27, 2015, 11:56:28 AM
I remember Stephen Hill being 6'4", yet playing like he was 5'2". Never able to compete for high balls.
I don't remember seeing Hill having any opportunities for jump balls.
Post by: Laxin on March 27, 2015, 01:57:36 PM
I don't remember seeing Hill having any opportunities for jump balls.
There's a reason for that... and I dont think its because no one thought to do so.
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 28, 2015, 09:52:40 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2015, 09:57:42 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 28, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 28, 2015, 10:45:06 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 28, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Sadly, I do. I was watching it in a bar with my friend who is variously a Green Bay and New England fan (don't ask), and off the back of that performance I made him a drunken bet that Hill would catch 10 TDs that season. Cost me a good bottle of rum.
I didn't make any bets but I was pretty pumped we had a big fast #1 WR for the future...
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 28, 2015, 11:28:26 AM
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2015, 11:41:41 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/12864/wide-receiver-stephen-hill-could-be-ready-to-shine-for-panthers-in-2015
Ron Rivera: WR development guru
Post by: Cane on March 28, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/12864/wide-receiver-stephen-hill-could-be-ready-to-shine-for-panthers-in-2015
It will never happen.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 28, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
Ron Rivera: WR development guru
I thought it was funny
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2015, 03:05:22 PM
You made a bet with the guy who makes dcm look like a Rhodes Scholar?
Correct, although he's a good guy and he's nothing like dcm. He's a Canadian sports fan who never found a reason to choose any particular NFL team, so he tends to gravitate towards the ones he enjoys watching. And let's be honest, teams like the Jets are often not enjoyable to watch.
Post by: Pope on March 28, 2015, 03:12:35 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 28, 2015, 03:45:28 PM
Correct, although he's a good guy and he's nothing like dcm. He's a Canadian sports fan who never found a reason to choose any particular NFL team, so he tends to gravitate towards the ones he enjoys watching. And let's be honest, teams like the Jets are often not enjoyable to watch.
Paulz. Farcebook. He has an account called Paulz with a Z Farcebook. There is nothing you can say that overcomes that.
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2015, 04:19:16 PM
Paulz. Farcebook. He has an account called Paulz with a Z Farcebook. There is nothing you can say that overcomes that.
I have no explanation or excuse for that.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
Sacramento Bee reports former Vikings LB Erin Henderson will visit the Jets #nyj
9:40AM EDT
Post by: Pope on March 29, 2015, 08:51:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Brian CostelloDepf.
Sacramento Bee reports former Vikings LB Erin Henderson will visit the Jets #nyj
9:40AM EDT
Post by: MBGreen on March 29, 2015, 10:30:53 AM
I don't want a girl on this teamHaha
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 29, 2015, 10:56:34 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 29, 2015, 11:31:15 AM
DCM mode engaged:
Can we get his brother 5 years ago instead?
Fixed
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Can we get his brother 5 years ago instead?
+1
Ghostefacefillah
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2015, 01:43:03 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 01, 2015, 01:31:43 PM
Post by: IATA on April 01, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2015, 01:36:50 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 01, 2015, 01:55:20 PM
Post by: steves850 on April 03, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2015, 09:32:54 AM
God dammit. Fell for that excrement.
...how?
Post by: Badger on April 04, 2015, 09:18:12 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 04, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 04, 2015, 10:51:45 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 04, 2015, 11:58:32 PM
He's got about as much chance of catching ebola in Uganda as I have of catching AIDS from you, given he's probably about the same distance away from the outbreak as I am from you.
I am seriously going to catch aids from your post.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 04, 2015, 11:59:21 PM
I am seriously going to catch aids from your post.
hahahaha
Post by: Johnny English on April 07, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2015, 12:02:39 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 15m15 minutes ago
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
#KeepRex
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2015, 12:09:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 07, 2015, 12:53:52 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Jace can tell time?No. He just stayed there until the next day to make sure.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2015, 01:05:55 PM
No. He just stayed there until the next day to make sure.
haha
Post by: Tommy on April 07, 2015, 01:52:28 PM
Post by: Matt4776 on April 07, 2015, 02:00:14 PM
No. He just stayed there until the next day to make sure.
Lol'd.
Post by: Sir on April 07, 2015, 08:38:54 PM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 15m15 minutes ago
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
I expect big things out of Jace. I really liked how he played at the end of the year, he really seemed to start putting it together.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 08, 2015, 02:45:40 AM
Haven't been this excited about a coaching staff since @TTUKingsbury took over at Texas Tech. This is going to be fun
Post by: Libero_2 on April 08, 2015, 04:31:12 AM
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 15m15 minutes ago
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
What terrifies me about this is Jace was a rookie who could easily recognize this. So it must have been a ridiculous problem a year ago.
Post by: Cane on April 08, 2015, 06:40:46 AM
Jace Amaro @J_ACER22 15h15 hours ago
Haven't been this excited about a coaching staff since @TTUKingsbury took over at Texas Tech. This is going to be fun
So basically,Rex's staff sucked considering that's the only one between Coach Milfhunter and Bowles.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Post by: WW85 on April 08, 2015, 08:56:43 AM
Well it was like it looked, Rex wore out his welcome and his act was tiresome. That happens after 6 years.
and Buffalo fans will feel the same in time.
Rex's confidence in his players and team is refreshing at first, but hearing the same old lines and not producing results gets real old.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2015, 09:04:26 AM
and Buffalo fans will feel the same in time.
Rex's confidence in his players and team is refreshing at first, but hearing the same old lines and not producing results gets real old.
Losing Pettine was big, although the guy was a gigantic douche, he was more the taskmaster and kept the players in line. I honestly do not think Rex is capable of coaxing disciplined play out of his team, nor the rest of his staff, short of Dunbar and a few other assistants.
Post by: Cane on April 08, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
Losing Pettine was big, although the guy was a gigantic douche, he was more the taskmaster and kept the players in line. I honestly do not think Rex is capable of coaxing disciplined play out of his team, nor the rest of his staff, short of Dunbar and a few other assistants.
My assumption is that Pettine had absolutely no purpose here and was treated that way by both Rex and the players. He was a puppet for Rex and was probably undercut whenever he tried to do something on his own. I'm sure the players felt that, and I doubt it changed at all when Thurman took over on Defense, which was just an admittance that the DC meant nothing. I can't imagine the offense was any better with perpetual placeholders as coordinators, mediocrity at QB, and an absent head coach.
Post by: WW85 on April 08, 2015, 10:18:07 AM
Losing Pettine was big, although the guy was a gigantic douche, he was more the taskmaster and kept the players in line. I honestly do not think Rex is capable of coaxing disciplined play out of his team, nor the rest of his staff, short of Dunbar and a few other assistants.
Pettine was a snake with the unnamed sources to the media. Maybe he felt he was slighted by Rex. Here in Ohio, Browns fans really seem to like Pettine's approach handling the players.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2015, 11:21:13 AM
Pettine was a snake with the unnamed sources to the media. Maybe he felt he was slighted by Rex. Here in Ohio, Browns fans really seem to like Pettine's approach handling the players.
Yes he got crazy that last season and I don't like the guy. However, he kept players in line.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2015, 11:27:03 AM
The only thing I wonder is whether he just threw his hands in the air and said "F this" when it became clear that Idzik was sabotaging him. I'm not excusing Rex--he was still responsible to do his job--but I'm curious whether he stopped caring when it became clear he was being pushed out.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2015, 11:28:40 AM
I was admittedly a #KeepRex guy, but he let things get completely out of control.
The only thing I wonder is whether he just threw his hands in the air and said "F this" when it became clear that Idzik was sabotaging him. I'm not excusing Rex--he was still responsible to do his job--but I'm curious whether he stopped caring when it became clear he was being pushed out.
I really don't think he ever cared about what his players were doing when it came to stuff like this.
He wants to come off as this extremely likable, "players" coach.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2015, 11:36:39 AM
I really don't think he ever cared about what his players were doing when it came to stuff like this.
He wants to come off as this extremely likable, "players" coach.
Well, he certainly succeeded there. And somehow it didn't even ruin his career.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
Well, he certainly succeeded there. And somehow it didn't even ruin his career.
It didn't ruin his career but he could have been a whole lot more successful if he adapted and improved.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2015, 11:49:34 AM
It didn't ruin his career but he could have been a whole lot more successful if he adapted and improved.
You'll get no argument from me there.
The only defense I had/have for Rex was that it's awfully difficult to make chicken salad out of chicken excrement, and he was working with some rancid bird excrement.
Post by: Tommy on April 08, 2015, 12:07:23 PM
I was admittedly a #KeepRex guy, but he let things get completely out of control.
The only thing I wonder is whether he just threw his hands in the air and said "F this" when it became clear that Idzik was sabotaging him. I'm not excusing Rex--he was still responsible to do his job--but I'm curious whether he stopped caring when it became clear he was being pushed out.
Are we still bringing up Idzik's dastardly scheme?
Post by: IATA on April 08, 2015, 12:18:55 PM
Are we still bringing up Idzik's dastardly scheme?When it's pertinent to the topic, yes.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2015, 11:01:14 AM
#Jets brought in offensive guard Cody White for a visit. Been with the Texans since 2012. Obvious Maccagnan connection. #nyj
Throw him on the guard pile!
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 09, 2015, 11:12:26 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 09, 2015, 11:14:10 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
I like this new strategy of throwing as much excrement against the wall as possible in the hopes that something sticks.I just wonder how they are going to have enough reps to go around to figure it out.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2015, 12:12:30 PM
I just wonder how they are going to have enough reps to go around to figure it out.Everyone who isn't getting reps will be doing tough mudders to condition for the season
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 10, 2015, 08:54:03 AM
Adam Caplan @caplannfl 2m2 minutes ago
The #Jets are expected to sign veteran ILB Joe Mays, per sources. He's expected to sign by early next week.
Post by: Koz on April 10, 2015, 08:55:53 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 10, 2015, 08:56:57 AM
Superbowl?
Nope. We're signing too many players!!!
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2015, 09:21:29 AM
Rich Cimini retweeted
Adam Caplan @caplannfl 2m2 minutes ago
The #Jets are expected to sign veteran ILB Joe Mays, per sources. He's expected to sign by early next week.
Throw him on the ILB pile!
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 10, 2015, 12:25:32 PM
Throw him on the ILB pile!Speaking of the ILB pile it's kind of surprising we didn't take a long look at Brandon Spikes, considering our interest at linebackers.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjiqcYeJJ1r4gei2o1_400.gif)
And the fact that Pepper Johnson coached him on both the Bills and Patriots
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 10, 2015, 12:46:36 PM
Speaking of the ILB pile it's kind of surprising we didn't take a long look at Brandon Spikes, considering our interest at linebackers.
And the fact that Pepper Johnson coached him on both the Bills and Patriots
Pretty redundant once we resigned Harris.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2015, 12:38:46 AM
3 CB
3 ILB
3 OL
2 DL
1 WR
1 RB
1 QB
1 FS
1 TE
0 OLB/Edge (hmmm) #NFLDraft
Post by: Cane on April 11, 2015, 06:03:13 AM
Speaking of the ILB pile it's kind of surprising we didn't take a long look at Brandon Spikes, considering our interest at linebackers.
And the fact that Pepper Johnson coached him on both the Bills and Patriots
Or perhaps that last point is why we didn't sign him.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 11, 2015, 10:18:24 AM
Or perhaps that last point is why we didn't sign him.
I was going to say that but then decided to not dignify that comment with a response.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 21, 2015, 11:48:44 AM
On ESPN call, Jon Gruden says he sees signs of progress from Geno Smith and would be surprised if Jets pull the plug on him #nyj
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 21, 2015, 12:29:31 PM
Multiple people have told me word is Jets will open vs Bills...we'll find out for sure tonight...
Post by: Koz on April 21, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 21, 2015, 01:27:52 PM
I would love to have Bob Wischusen call a play by play of my morning dump.
Funny excrement bro. Dude.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2015, 01:27:53 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 2m2 minutes ago
On ESPN call, Jon Gruden says he sees signs of progress from Geno Smith and would be surprised if Jets pull the plug on him #nyj
This kind of post belongs in a different thread. Also, positive posts about Geno Smith are not cool around these parts.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2015, 06:29:47 PM
Quote
Free agent DT Brandon Deaderick worked out for the Jets.
Deaderick appeared in 13 games (two starts) with the Saints last year. He was a major part of their run defense struggles, grading out negatively by PFF across 344 snaps. 27-year-old Deaderick should resurface on a minimum contract.
Post by: hawk on April 29, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
And stuff
How many DL would that be? It sure does seem like they are Hedging.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2015, 06:59:55 PM
How many DL would that be? It sure does seem like they are Hedging.
Well our new DL coach did draft and coach Deadrick for multiple years
so id imagine it being more about that than anything
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2015, 07:08:29 PM
Team that’s been on the phone the most? The #Jets. Potential trade up. Potential trade down. Exploring all options, burning call minutes
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2015, 07:11:07 PM
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 21s22 seconds ago
Team that’s been on the phone the most? The #Jets. Potential trade up. Potential trade down. Exploring all options, burning call minutes
I don't think Maccagnan wants to move up.
This also belongs in a draft thread. This thread is pissing me off again.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2015, 07:43:38 PM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/washington-redskins-bad-at-football-worse-at-spelling-1430252386
4th best grammar in the NFL.
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2015, 01:12:16 PM
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2015, 04:12:42 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 07, 2015, 06:07:31 PM
Rd 3 LB Lorenzo Mauldin, 4th-rd QB Bryce Petty & 7th-rd DT Deon Simon have all signed on the dotted line: http://bit.ly/1FSkRLH
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 2h2 hours ago
Only unsigned Jets picks are DE Leonard Williams and WR Devin Smith. Rookie camp opens tomorrow. #nyj
Post by: Ornstein on May 07, 2015, 06:43:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2015, 07:21:54 PM
freak this thread
Post by: Tommy on May 07, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
no
freak this thread
What's wrong?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2015, 07:36:03 PM
What's wrong?
This thread is just a lazy piece of a excrement.
Post by: Coach K on May 07, 2015, 07:49:02 PM
This thread is just a lazy piece of a excrement.
Let's rename it the Jarvis Harrison thread
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2015, 07:12:21 PM
Quote
Jets waived LB Mario Harvey.
Harvey signed a reserve/futures deal in January. He appeared in 25 games with the Colts from 2012-14. Getting waived at this stage of the offseason suggests Harvey doesn't have much of an NFL future.
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2015, 01:29:26 AM
Never forget
excrement like this is why this thread exists. Well done for reminding us, dcm.
Post by: Tommy on May 09, 2015, 03:04:49 AM
excrement like this is why this thread exists. Well done for reminding us, dcm.
I was gonna thank him but you beat me to it
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
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Post by: Libero_2 on May 09, 2015, 08:07:29 PM
Post by: Cane on May 09, 2015, 08:56:07 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on May 09, 2015, 09:27:39 PM
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2015, 09:36:07 PM
in before JE says pot is for children
Post by: Heismanberg on May 09, 2015, 10:07:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 09, 2015, 11:46:20 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 10, 2015, 04:20:25 PM
Post by: Coach K on May 11, 2015, 10:38:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEqDSObUsAAPMnG.jpg)
Nice
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 12, 2015, 10:52:51 AM
"He coulda killt somebody!!" - Tankcessa circa 2010
Post by: Tommy on May 12, 2015, 11:09:59 AM
Ex-@nyjets wide receiver Braylon Edwards arrested for DUI in Arizona: report. http://nydn.us/1G38bBX
"He coulda killt somebody!!" - Tankcessa circa 2010
I hated that he would bring in family members of victims of drunk driving accidents for interviews.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 12, 2015, 11:34:04 AM
I hated that he would bring in family members of victims of drunk driving accidents for interviews.
His hatred for the Jets was out of control at the time...he was such a douche
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 12, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 12, 2015, 01:56:16 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 12, 2015, 05:34:31 PM
Ex-@nyjets wide receiver Braylon Edwards arrested for DUI in Arizona: report. http://nydn.us/1G38bBX
"He coulda killt somebody!!" - Tankcessa circa 2010
DUIs are for morons.
Post by: NDMick on May 12, 2015, 05:44:49 PM
DUIs are for morons.
yeah really.
learn how to drive with any impairment like a real man.
/s
Post by: Pope on May 12, 2015, 06:09:53 PM
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
Yo I'm a beast at drunk driving
It's OK, that's more mature than smoking weed.
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2015, 10:52:52 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/politics-of-the-nfl-keeping-matt-simms-from-getting-a-shot-brother-chris-simms-says-1.10430695
If he was the best man for the job, he'd have the job.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 14, 2015, 10:57:23 AM
This doesn't make any sense:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/politics-of-the-nfl-keeping-matt-simms-from-getting-a-shot-brother-chris-simms-says-1.10430695
If he was the best man for the job, he'd have the job.
Is this why Chris Simms sucked too?
Post by: Fenwyr on May 14, 2015, 12:03:01 PM
Is this why Chris Simms sucked too?
Injuries, spleen removal, and awful teams didn't help his cause. He was a MUCH better prospect coming out of college though.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 14, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
Injuries, spleen removal, and awful teams didn't help his cause. He was a MUCH better prospect coming out of college though.
Major Applewhite was better.
Post by: Koz on May 14, 2015, 12:20:01 PM
Post by: Jetaho on May 14, 2015, 12:33:45 PM
This doesn't make any sense:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/politics-of-the-nfl-keeping-matt-simms-from-getting-a-shot-brother-chris-simms-says-1.10430695
If he was the best man for the job, he'd have the job.
"[Matt] hasn't proven himself to be an NFL starter or anything like that, but every opportunity he's gotten, whether it's the preseason or even coming up in mop-up duty in the regular season, he's done very well and taken advantage of those chances. . . ."
Get the freak out with that excrement.
Post by: Tommy on May 14, 2015, 01:43:08 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2015, 02:20:48 PM
So he hasn't yet proven himself.
...enough to be a backup QB. Chris is arguing that his brother hasn't gotten a reasonable shot at being a second-string QB in the NFL.
It's funny bordering on tragically depressing.
Quote
"[Matt] hasn't proven himself to be an NFL starter or anything like that, but every opportunity he's gotten, whether it's the preseason or even coming up in mop-up duty in the regular season, he's done very well and taken advantage of those chances. . . . I truly believe if his last name was not Simms, teams would be wanting him to be their backup quarterback."
Post by: dcm1602 on May 14, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
...enough to be a backup QB. Chris is arguing that his brother hasn't gotten a reasonable shot at being a second-string QB in the NFL.Yet Michael Vick was easily able to get starting jobs after coming out of prison for being the leader of an animal murdering ring. But nobody would want Simms to play QB because of his name
It's funny bordering on tragically depressing.
Riiiiight
Post by: Jumbo on May 14, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 14, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
TJ Graham did an AMA, nothing groundbreaking/worth its own thread but he seems like a decent guy https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/35zreq/i_am_nfl_wide_receiver_for_the_new_york_jets_tj/
I'm actually hanging out with one of his former teammates at nc state.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 14, 2015, 07:57:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2015, 05:56:08 PM
Post by: Cane on May 17, 2015, 05:57:08 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 17, 2015, 06:07:55 PM
I hardly watched any games last season so couldn't say either way except that for some reason I keep hearing that he's been disappointing. What do we really expect out of a rookie TE anyway?
I thought he was fine. Had some bad drops but that should fix itself with experience. He has good hands it seems.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2015, 06:31:34 PM
post that excrement in the right thread, dcm
I thought this was the miscellaneous cesspool of any jets related nonsense ?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2015, 06:33:14 PM
I hardly watched any games last season so couldn't say either way except that for some reason I keep hearing that he's been disappointing. What do we really expect out of a rookie TE anyway?
The whole offense is consistently disappointing.
I think Amaro showed enough that he wont be a terrible bust.
Now the question is whether he can be merely competent or actually turn into something good
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
I'm actually hanging out with one of his former teammates at nc state.Who?
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
Who?
Kid named Calvin. Don't know his last name. Linebacker. Wasn't a starter though.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 17, 2015, 08:31:33 PM
Kid named Calvin. Don't know his last name. Linebacker. Wasn't a starter though.
Calvin got a job!
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 08:39:39 PM
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2015, 08:43:14 PM
Yep that's him. Cool dude.
Did you buy him a lap dance?
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 08:44:18 PM
Did you buy him a lap dance?
Nah he left before that. Was with his gf.
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 08:45:51 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2015, 08:48:19 PM
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni who's never been back to the school for ceremonies etc, and hasn't donated to the school either. Apparently he's a giant piece of excrement and no one at the school likes him anymore.
If Philip Rivers sets foot in Raleigh ever again, everyone important at that school will be on his dick.
He probably has more important excrement to do.
Post by: Cane on May 17, 2015, 08:50:57 PM
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni
Fyp.
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
Fyp.
Hey he says Russell Wilson has been really good with that.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2015, 09:01:46 PM
Hey he says Russell Wilson has been really good with that.
Sounds to me like he's full of excrement
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2015, 09:07:59 PM
Sounds to me like he's full of excrement
The freak do I know.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni who's never been back to the school for ceremonies etc, and hasn't donated to the school either. Apparently he's a giant piece of excrement and no one at the school likes him anymore.
Torry Holt says hai. Also Mario Williams.
Post by: Johnny English on May 18, 2015, 12:07:01 AM
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni who's never been back to the school for ceremonies etc, and hasn't donated to the school either.
Maybe this is my failure to understand the American school system, but why would you donate to a school that you either paid a shitload of money to attend or who earned a shitload of money from you representing them?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 18, 2015, 12:24:29 AM
Did you buy him a lap dance?
Nah he left before that. Was with his gf.
I like that there's a jokey kind of assumption that every night out with Tommy ends at a strip club, followed immediately by confirmation that it's true.
Post by: Tommy on May 18, 2015, 06:33:42 AM
I like that there's a jokey kind of assumption that every night out with Tommy ends at a strip club, followed immediately by confirmation that it's true.
It's really only if I'm out with a bunch of dudes, and if we make it to the end of the night. Just happened twice in the last week because it was a buddy's bday.
Post by: Coach K on May 18, 2015, 10:14:16 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 18, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
It's really only if I'm out with a bunch of dudes, and if we make it to the end of the night. Just happened twice in the last week because it was a buddy's bday.
So when you and your buddies aren't able to pick up any women during the night, you all feel a need to go pay women to actually show you their funbags? Nothing about that screams a lack of heterosexual confidence. Nope. None of it.
Post by: Tommy on May 18, 2015, 11:58:42 AM
So when you and your buddies aren't able to pick up any women during the night, you all feel a need to go pay women to actually show you their funbags? Nothing about that screams a lack of heterosexual confidence. Nope. None of it.
Who says it's a need? It's something fun to do at the end of the night.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 18, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
If Philip Rivers sets foot in Raleigh ever again, everyone important at that school will be on his dick.
He probably has more important excrement to do.
Like knock up his wife, the dude rivals Cromartie.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 18, 2015, 03:32:48 PM
So when you and your buddies aren't able to pick up any women during the night, you all feel a need to go pay women to actually show you their funbags? Nothing about that screams a lack of heterosexual confidence. Nope. None of it.
I normally see where you are coming from and agree with you. Not in this case.
Post by: Pope on May 18, 2015, 05:44:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 19, 2015, 12:10:30 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 19, 2015, 09:33:11 AM
News Release: Geno Smith Announces @NM_News Football @ProCamps in Boonton, NJ! Sign up 2day at http://GenoSmithCamp.com
Great opportunity for kids aspiring to play football to learn the fundamentals of making poor decisions, throwing the ball into triple coverage, and running out of bounds for a loss of yards.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 19, 2015, 09:58:44 AM
ProCamps @ProCamps 1h1 hour agoI saw the words release and Geno Smith in the same sentence on my Tapatalk headline
News Release: Geno Smith Announces @NM_News Football @ProCamps in Boonton, NJ! Sign up 2day at http://GenoSmithCamp.com
Great opportunity for kids aspiring to play football to learn the fundamentals of making poor decisions, throwing the ball into triple coverage, and running out of bounds for a loss of yards.
Got me all excited for nothing
Post by: Cane on May 20, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
@nyjets: Rodgers on the defensive system: "It’s real simple, it's real cut and dry. Once you get it, it enables you the ability to play fast."
YEEESSS. This is good.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 20, 2015, 05:13:23 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/601108831532425216While I'm encouraged as well, I don't expect the New York Jets twitter account to tweet out anything negative.
@nyjets: Rodgers on the defensive system: "It’s real simple, it's real cut and dry. Once you get it, it enables you the ability to play fast."
YEEESSS. This is good.
"It's real complicated, even I don't fully understand it. Some of the players won't get it, and we'll end up trading guys we drafted in the 1st round for conditional draft picks we'll never end up receiving."
Oh wait, that was Eric Mangini.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2015, 07:10:38 AM
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Mike Sando, NFL Insider
The best offseason work assures nothing in the NFL, as Tampa Bay and a few other teams proved again last offseason. But we can still evaluate the jobs teams have done in addressing their roster needs through free agency, trades and the draft, with an eye toward how moves affect outlooks in the short and long terms.
To that end, I've enlisted ESPN analysts Bill Polian, Louis Riddick, Matt Williamson and Field Yates, quoting each extensively in our 2015 NFL offseason grades. I also took into account Mel Kiper's draft grades for every team.
Here are offseason grades for all 32 NFL teams:
New York Jets: A
Re-signed: DE Leger Douzable, LB David Harris, LS Tanner Purdum, OL Ben Ijajana, OL Willie Colon, RB Bilal Powell
Veteran additions: CB Antonio Cromartie, CB Buster Skrine, CB Darrelle Revis, ILB Jamari Lattimore, OT James Brewer, OG James Carpenter, TE Kellen Davis, DT Kevin Vickerson, S Marcus Gilchrist, DE Stephen Bowen, RB Stevan Ridley, QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, WR Brandon Marshall, LB Erin Henderson, LB Joe Mays, WR DeVier Posey, RB Zac Stacy
Veteran subtractions: S Dawan Landry, WR Greg Salas, DE Jermaine Cunningham, FB John Conner, DT Kenrick Ellis, CB Kyle Wilson, QB Michael Vick, ILB Nick Bellore, WR Percy Harvin, CB Phillip Adams, TE Chris Pantale, FB Mario Harvey
Draft picks: 1-Leonard Williams (DE), 2-Devin Smith (WR), 3-Lorenzo Mauldin (LB), 4-Bryce Petty (QB), 5-Jarvis Harrison (G), 7-Deon Simon (DT)
Analysis: The Jets commanded the only A grade overall and the only A-plus from an individual voter. Riddick liked their moves that much. He worked with Todd Bowles in Philadelphia and he believes in the Jets' new head coach, calling him a "dynamite" hire. Adding Revis in free agency, Marshall by trade and a luxury first-round choice in Williams separated the Jets.
"It is hard to find a fault with anything they did from coaching to free agency to the draft," Riddick said. "It is all about the QB. Can Chan Gailey get Geno Smith to not be the cause of losing games?"
Polian said the football gods smiled on the Jets when Revis became available and New York was able to sign him away from its top division rival.
"Defensively, there may not be many teams better," Polian said. "You just cannot waste a defense like that with a quarterback who turns it over. The question is, does Geno all of a sudden become a quarterback? Or does it have to be Fitzpatrick?"
Fitzpatrick headed my list of value signings in free agency based mostly on a statistical profile suggesting he has been better than his reputation suggests. Tennessee was certainly worse off without him, and it's fair to wonder if Houston upgraded by swapping out Fitzpatrick for Brian Hoyer. Fitzpatrick has generally been associated with horrible defenses (since 2010, only Tony Romo has gotten less defensive support among players with at least 40 starts).
"Fitzpatrick is not good, but he is a major upgrade," Williamson said.
Post by: Tommy on May 21, 2015, 08:16:45 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 21, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2015, 10:10:12 AM
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 10:15:35 AM
Someone show junc that stat about how little defensive support Fitz has had.
His D last year was better than any we have had w/ Geno by a wide margin.
one of the reasons his Ds stink, like Geno's, is b/c the O and QB are constantly putting the D in bad situations.
Oh and Houston was 6-6 w/ Geno starting, 3-1 w/o him starting.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2015, 10:15:44 AM
Someone show junc that stat about how little defensive support Fitz has had.
It won't matter.
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 10:16:50 AM
It won't matter.
it won't, I don't take blurbs out of context as gospel. I have seen Fitz come up small far too often in the bigger games for his teams to know better.
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2015, 10:20:10 AM
it won't, I don't take blurbs out of context as gospel. I have seen Fitz come up small far too often in the bigger games for his teams to know better.
we know...you prefer fan blogs.
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 10:24:35 AM
we know...you prefer fan blogs.
the point was made, it was a long time ago and I couldn't find direct links at first but I posted them eventually. Stop hanging onto a meaningless point, it didn't help your lack of an argument.
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2015, 10:30:11 AM
the point was made, it was a long time ago and I couldn't find direct links at first but I posted them eventually. Stop hanging onto a meaningless point, it didn't help your lack of an argument.
the point made was that your sources are garbage.
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
the point made was that your sources are garbage.
I posted a direct quote from the NY Times. Deflect all you want from that w/ the bleacher report links, it doesn't help your weak argument.
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2015, 10:38:23 AM
I posted a direct quote from the NY Times. Deflect all you want from that w/ the bleacher report links, it doesn't help your weak argument.
sure it does.
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2015, 10:42:00 AM
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
Your defense of Terry Bradway is just as retarded today as it was a few days ago.
that is quite the argument. you win
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
that is quite the argument. you win
common sense always wins, junc. You never stood a chance.
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 10:53:22 AM
common sense always wins, junc. You never stood a chance.
haha, the average fan always "wins" on these debates. the ONE w/ common football sense always gets ganged up on but I have a good feeling that one person can handle it ;D
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2015, 10:58:39 AM
haha, the average fan always "wins" on these debates. the ONE w/ common football sense always gets ganged up on but I have a good feeling that one person can handle it ;D
what about below average fans like yourself... where do they fit in? ;)
Post by: nyjunc on May 21, 2015, 11:03:51 AM
what about below average fans like yourself... where do they fit in? ;)I don't fit in, I'm a misfit.
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/135/323360628_bbf3a560fc_z.jpg?zz=1)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2015, 02:40:17 PM
hahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2015, 02:43:41 PM
Post by: Ornstein on May 21, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
Post by: Pope on May 21, 2015, 03:05:35 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 26, 2015, 02:48:41 PM
The #SnackStand will be serving chilled Quarterbacks, warm Running Backs, & the occasional Wide Receivers. Tight Ends are seasonal
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
Post by: Jumbo on May 26, 2015, 09:11:12 PM
http://nyjdraftcentral.com/2015/05/new-york-jets-2015-breakout-star-ik-enemkpali/
Post by: dcm1602 on May 26, 2015, 09:13:21 PM
Pretty good article on the PenguinMaybe we should give Idzik Bradaways job. He might be onto something
http://nyjdraftcentral.com/2015/05/new-york-jets-2015-breakout-star-ik-enemkpali/
Post by: Fenwyr on May 27, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
Post by: insanity on May 27, 2015, 04:26:16 PM
I'm hoping he can find some snaps at ILB as well. He's just too short to be a true edge rusher. His quickness and awareness could be very useful on the inside.
Elvis Dumerville called and said you're an idiot. James Harrison was also with him and said he's going to eat you.
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2015, 04:31:34 PM
Elvis Dumerville called and said you're an idiot. James Harrison was also with him and said he's going to eat you.
Dumerville? Is that in Ohio?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2015, 05:33:12 PM
Nfl.com saying the Jets (and bills) are of the most talented teams in the league
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493967/article/seahawks-jets-and-eagles-among-nfls-most-talented-teams
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2015, 05:46:20 PM
Well I found this weird...
Nfl.com saying the Jets (and bills) are of the most talented teams in the league
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493967/article/seahawks-jets-and-eagles-among-nfls-most-talented-teams
*Bucky Brooks saying
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2015, 05:46:53 PM
*Bucky Brooks sayingWhat's Captain America got to do with this
Post by: Johnny English on May 27, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000494302/nfls-scariest-position-groups-ranking-the-top-10
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
Bucky's on a Jets love in right now.Now maybe I'm wrong on this. But I think our defensive line is a lot lot freaking scarier than our cornerbacks.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000494302/nfls-scariest-position-groups-ranking-the-top-10
Cromartie and Skrine are no sure things.
But our defensive line is absolutely teeming with talent. Not just one of the most talented DLs in the league but one of the most talented of any position group in the league
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2015, 07:58:07 PM
Now maybe I'm wrong on this.
Always stop here.
Post by: Johnny English on May 27, 2015, 10:51:50 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 27, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
@AdamSchefter: Had former agent Mike Tannenbaum not returned to NFL, to MIA, he would be representing both NBA Finals coaches, Steve Kerr and David Blatt.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 28, 2015, 12:24:24 PM
Always stop here.
Reminds me of my old sig lol.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2015, 07:51:26 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/29/f8234d049eca3b0ba0cdf90120de6399.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/29/e85f7dddcd0a289e5bbf113888aff509.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2015, 07:56:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2015, 08:55:56 PM
Post by: reuben on May 30, 2015, 06:47:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZCyfk22.png)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 30, 2015, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2015, 07:08:06 PM
Average games lost?
DIAFF
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 31, 2015, 06:05:36 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
That's an interesting stat, taking into account that our whole secondary went to shreds after a couple of games last season. Are they really counting that?There's no perfect way to measure injuries, but the Jets have been relatively lucky when it comes to injuries over the last 2 seasons. Even the ones you would call the biggest injuries are still guys like Mark Sanchez, Dee Milliner and Brian Winters, not exactly superstars.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 31, 2015, 12:17:49 PM
There's no perfect way to measure injuries, but the Jets have been relatively lucky when it comes to injuries over the last 2 seasons. Even the ones you would call the biggest injuries are still guys like Mark Sanchez, Dee Milliner and Brian Winters, not exactly superstars.
Sanchez getting hurt was huge
And had tremendous consequences for this franchise
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 31, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
There's no perfect way to measure injuries, but the Jets have been relatively lucky when it comes to injuries over the last 2 seasons. Even the ones you would call the biggest injuries are still guys like Mark Sanchez, Dee Milliner and Brian Winters, not exactly superstars.
Did we have any superstars those years? (other than Sheldon and Wilk)
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2015, 06:11:44 PM
Sanchez was probably going to be the starter that year, but the only thing it really did was rush Geno's development. Odds are neither Sanchez or Smith was ever going to be a long-term option.
Sanchez getting hurt was huge
And had tremendous consequences for this franchise
Post by: dcm1602 on May 31, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Sanchez was probably going to be the starter that year, but the only thing it really did was rush Geno's development. Odds are neither Sanchez or Smith was ever going to be a long-term option.Sanchez not getting hurt could have resulted in him still being a jet today and significantly changing Genos career.
If he had a year or two to sit back and learn about offenses and defenses he might have had a shot.
Now he's hopeless
Post by: Pope on May 31, 2015, 06:36:36 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 31, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
No way Sanchez would still be the QBIf he played well enough to get an extension, and Geno was his competition he damn well could be.
Post by: Pope on May 31, 2015, 07:29:22 PM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
His extension was a terrible decision. It was basically our organization's apology for courting Peyton Manning. Once his all decade OL and elite defense weakened Sanchez was shown for what he was, a stupid QB with a penchant for turning the ball over.
Still not as bad of a decision as drafting Geno. All the extension did was keep him here as long as his original rookie deal would have. The team fucked up by taking a shitty 2013 QB and not waiting for 2014.
The extension didn't hurt the team much at all.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2015, 09:36:16 PM
Still not as bad of a decision as drafting Geno. All the extension did was keep him here as long as his original rookie deal would have. The team fucked up by taking a shitty 2013 QB and not waiting for 2014.Not sure how you can argue the extension didn't hurt the team. It hamstrung us to Sanchez in 2013. And if the Jets wanted to draft another QB in 2014, they certainly could have, regardless of Geno.
The extension didn't hurt the team much at all.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Not sure how you can argue the extension didn't hurt the team. It hamstrung us to Sanchez in 2013. And if the Jets wanted to draft another QB in 2014, they certainly could have, regardless of Geno.
Well, it's badger. He's unable to criticize Sanchez because we drafted and started Geno.
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2015, 10:04:08 PM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2015, 10:04:42 PM
Not sure how you can argue the extension didn't hurt the team. It hamstrung us to Sanchez in 2013. And if the Jets wanted to draft another QB in 2014, they certainly could have, regardless of Geno.
How was being stuck with Sanchez in 2013 a bad thing?
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
How was being stuck with Sanchez in 2013 a bad thing?How was it a good thing for that salary? He was atrocious in 2012, and we couldn't get out of his contract if we wanted to. Without the extension, we could have.
I don't even think it was that bad of a gamble. He was going to start in 2012 pretty much all year, you were just gambling that you wouldn't regret guaranteeing his 2013 salary. Unfortunately, that's exactly what ended up happening.
Quote from: Badger
I've criticized Sanchez when it was deserved. The team made much bigger mistakes surrounding him.You make fun of this argument when it's used on Geno. But Geno has never had a skill group nearly as talented as the 2010 or even 2009 groups.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
I've criticized Sanchez when it was deserved. The team made much bigger mistakes surrounding him.
See, I hate this line of thinking. Geno sucks no matter who's around him. Sanchez only sucks with shitty talent around him. Yet only one QB has ever had good talent around him.
Post by: Pope on May 31, 2015, 11:40:50 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2015, 11:58:18 PM
Geno sucks no matter who's around him.
This is correct.
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2015, 06:02:04 AM
How was it a good thing for that salary? He was atrocious in 2012, and we couldn't get out of his contract if we wanted to. Without the extension, we could have.
I don't even think it was that bad of a gamble. He was going to start in 2012 pretty much all year, you were just gambling that you wouldn't regret guaranteeing his 2013 salary. Unfortunately, that's exactly what ended up happening.
You make fun of this argument when it's used on Geno. But Geno has never had a skill group nearly as talented as the 2010 or even 2009 groups.
A. How did his 2013 salary hurt the team?
B. I don't make fun of that argument when used on Geno. Geno is just objectively an inferior QB. They were not equal prospects and do not require equal consideration.
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2015, 06:03:40 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2015, 07:17:44 AM
See, I hate this line of thinking. Geno sucks no matter who's around him. Sanchez only sucks with shitty talent around him. Yet only one QB has ever had good talent around him.
This assumes that player development is complete guesswork, and that it's impossible to know whether a player can improve until you give him the opportunity to play with better players. That's objectively not the case, it's entirely possible to see fundamental errors in a player's technique and actions that mean that he could be playing for the '85 Bears or the '03 Patriots and still be excrement.
I'm actually a little more interested than I was in the idea that a change of scheme might help Geno this year, but it still doesn't mean that he'll be any good, simply that it will mask some of the greater deficiencies in his play. I can't see any way he'll ever be anything other than a stopgap.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2015, 09:07:03 AM
Can't blame that one on the conditioning coach though.
Stop defending rex
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 01, 2015, 10:09:44 AM
See, I hate this line of thinking. Geno sucks no matter who's around him. Sanchez only sucks with shitty talent around him. Yet only one QB has ever had good talent around him.
Sanchez's first 2 years = 4 Playoff Wins
Geno's first 2 years = steaming pile of dog excrement
Case Closed
Post by: dcm1602 on June 01, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
Sanchez's first 2 years = 4 Playoff WinsSanchez had a top 3 defense and the best OL in the league
Geno's first 2 years = steaming pile of dog excrement
Case Closed
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2015, 12:22:55 PM
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2015, 12:23:41 PM
Sanchez had a top 3 defense and the best OL in the league
Geno Smith has almost finished the first Hunger Games book.
Post by: nyjunc on June 01, 2015, 12:24:19 PM
Sanchez had a top 3 defense and the best OL in the league
our talent was a little overrated when Mark was here, the D was great in the stat sheet but how many times did they fold in big spots?(thought they were still the main reason we made those title games) the OL was really good in 2009, not quite as good in 2010- remember, we made the title game w/ Wayne Hunter as our starting RT.
Has Geno had as much talent around him? NO but this year he may have more than Mark ever had around him so lets see what he does.
Post by: Jetaho on June 01, 2015, 01:05:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2015, 01:43:21 PM
@BrianCoz: One thing I noticed at Jets building recently is "Teamwork" painted over where it used to say "Play Like a Jet." That slogan is history.
That slogan was corny as hell from the beginning.
Post by: Tommy on June 01, 2015, 01:44:11 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 01, 2015, 02:01:27 PM
That slogan was corny as hell from the beginning.
I bought into it. Now that Rex is gone though, and all of the stories that have come out post-firing, I'm glad they've trashed it.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2015, 02:03:05 PM
Post by: nyjunc on June 01, 2015, 02:19:04 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 01, 2015, 02:34:42 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 01, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2015, 04:39:48 PM
We just signed WR Jonathon Rump, whomever that is...
Jonathon Rumph from University of Georgia
He never really lived up this the hype he received coming out of JUCO
Post by: Tommy on June 01, 2015, 04:41:39 PM
Jonathon Rumph from University of Georgia
He never really lived up this the hype he received coming out of JUCO
What's JUCO?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2015, 04:42:21 PM
What's JUCO?
Junior College
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2015, 04:42:36 PM
What's JUCO?Jewish underwear crapping office
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2015, 04:46:38 PM
Post by: guinness77 on June 01, 2015, 04:48:37 PM
Post by: Tommy on June 01, 2015, 04:49:19 PM
Jewish underwear crapping office
MB should get that tattooed on his arm.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2015, 04:56:50 PM
"Play Like A Bill!!"Play Like an poopchute!
Post by: Miamipuck on June 02, 2015, 08:37:26 AM
MB should get that tattooed on his arm.
He already has **Kisses Bicep**, sorry there's no room.
Post by: Hemi on June 02, 2015, 10:00:07 AM
"Play Like A Bill!!"
Don't forget...."Play like a Brown!"
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 10:20:54 AM
Don't forget...."Play like a Brown!"
(http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/assets/images/imported/CLE/play-like-a-brown_576.jpg)
(http://russellstreetreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Play-Like-a-Raven-Haloti.jpg)
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Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
I'm glad we dropped it. I don't want them to play like Jets any more, I want them to play like Packers or Seahawks.
I want them to play like the 2009 or 2010 Jets not the 2014 Jets
Post by: Tommy on June 02, 2015, 01:25:18 PM
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 01:31:08 PM
freak that. Why settle for mediocrity?I wouldn't call a final 4 team mediocre, I hope we have the chance to make a SB again soon.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 02, 2015, 03:17:11 PM
I wouldn't call a final 4 team mediocre, I hope we have the chance to make a SB again soon.What about a team that couldn't even win it's own division?
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
What about a team that couldn't even win it's own division?
unfortunately we have the best QB of this generation(maybe best of all time) and possibly greatest dynasty ever in our division but give me 2 chances to play for AFC title over div title w/ one and done like NE had those 2 years any day.
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2015, 03:26:09 PM
unfortunately we have the best QB of this generation(maybe best of all time) and possibly greatest dynasty ever in our division but give me 2 chances to play for AFC title over div title w/ one and done like NE had those 2 years any day.
I think it's a little early to be anointing Tannehill just yet.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 02, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
unfortunately we have the best QB of this generation(maybe best of all time) and possibly greatest dynasty ever in our division but give me 2 chances to play for AFC title over div title w/ one and done like NE had those 2 years any day.The better answer would've been we couldn't keep pace with a team that's cheating
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 03:32:24 PM
The better answer would've been we couldn't keep pace with a team that's cheating
when you remove your head that is buried in the sand let me know. ALL teams try to bend the rules, NE has been successful w/ it, congrats to them.
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 03:33:07 PM
I think it's a little early to be anointing Tannehill just yet.
I wish NE had Tannehill, they'd have no SBs and the division would have been wide open the last 15 years.
Post by: Tommy on June 02, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
when you remove your head that is buried in the sand let me know. ALL teams try to bend the rules, NE has been successful w/ it, congrats to them.
They got caught twice, so no they haven't.
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
They got caught twice, so no they haven't.
I was talking about being successful as far as winning goes, they have been caught trying to bend rules. They aren't good at covering up.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
when you remove your head that is buried in the sand let me know. ALL teams try to bend the rules, NE has been successful w/ it, congrats to them.Not this excrement again
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 04:00:15 PM
Not this excrement again
It's reality, are they taking away any of the SBs? any of the div titles? any of the million times they beat us? so what's the point in whining about cheating? it's not going to change anything, they did it, won w/ it and have been caught. Others do it and they don't win and don't get caught. Unless they are taking away SBs I don't really care, it's not that big of a deal to me.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
It's reality, are they taking away any of the SBs? any of the div titles? any of the million times they beat us? so what's the point in whining about cheating? it's not going to change anything, they did it, won w/ it and have been caught. Others do it and they don't win and don't get caught. Unless they are taking away SBs I don't really care, it's not that big of a deal to me.You are wrong
Post by: nyjunc on June 02, 2015, 04:02:31 PM
You are wrong
You can believe what you want to believe.
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 02, 2015, 04:06:01 PM
You can believe what you want to believe.
Especially when he makes such convincing arguments like "no" and "you're wrong".
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2015, 04:10:49 PM
Especially when he makes such convincing arguments like "no" and "you're wrong".I don't like to waste energy on dumbshit opinions
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2015, 04:18:40 PM
freak that. Why settle for mediocrity?
Good thing we built our new administration with hires from Houston and Arizona, perennial powerhouses.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
Good thing we built our new administration with hires from Houston and Arizona, perennial powerhouses.But ron wolf and charlie Casserly promised *whining*
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 02, 2015, 04:28:35 PM
I don't like to waste energy on dumbshit opinions
So you spend it as an administrator on a message board. Makes sense.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2015, 04:28:58 PM
So you spend it as an administrator on a message board. Makes sense.You're welcome.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 02, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
Good thing we built our new administration with hires from Houston and Arizona, perennial powerhouses.We got rid of the scrub from Seattle so we're good
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 03, 2015, 01:02:29 PM
@AdamSchefter Jets notified season-ticket holders they will use "variable pricing" to "better reflect the value of and expected demand for each game."
So glad I dropped off the list and went secondary market.
Post by: Tommy on June 03, 2015, 01:04:31 PM
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2015, 02:03:56 PM
Adam SchefterVerified account
@AdamSchefter Jets notified season-ticket holders they will use "variable pricing" to "better reflect the value of and expected demand for each game."
So glad I dropped off the list and went secondary market.
This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
Post by: Tommy on June 03, 2015, 02:07:03 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 03, 2015, 02:15:22 PM
Post by: Pope on June 03, 2015, 05:10:38 PM
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Sounds like a way to keep the excrement games at standard cost but inflate primetime/division/marquee to the big bucks
Pretty much.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 03, 2015, 06:17:04 PM
Joe and Evan: You look like you could play right now, at linebacker, if Demario Davis or David Harris get hurt you can step right in.
Bowles: I can give you one play, 3rd and 30, put me at deep safety and I'll make a play.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 03, 2015, 09:17:43 PM
Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts interviewing Todd Bowles at the Boomer and Carton charity softball game at Yankee stadium for the slain NYC police officers.
Joe and Evan: You look like you could play right now, at linebacker, if Demario Davis or David Harris get hurt you can step right in.
Bowles: I can give you one play, 3rd and 30, put me at deep safety and I'll make a play.
Haha nice
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 04, 2015, 07:50:38 AM
Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts interviewing Todd Bowles at the Boomer and Carton charity softball game at Yankee stadium for the slain NYC police officers.
Joe and Evan: You look like you could play right now, at linebacker, if Demario Davis or David Harris get hurt you can step right in.
Bowles: I can give you one play, 3rd and 30, put me at deep safety and I'll make a play.
Boomer: There is one thing I know.
Carton: oh yeah, what's that?
Boomer: Your head coach can kick the crap out of every other coach in the NFL.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 04, 2015, 08:48:07 AM
Boomer is not kidding...he is a big boy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 05, 2015, 04:10:18 PM
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From: @BigDame900
Sent: Jun 5, 2015 4:53p
Soooo @Revis24 me and @QueCeasar came up with the conclusion that I am a better Cornerback than u are...#ThatIsAll #SnacksIsland
And the reasoning...
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From: @BigDame900
Sent: Jun 5, 2015 4:55p
I AM the BEST Cornerback in the NFL..according to madden I tackle better, better power moves, and play recognition than most corners lol
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2015, 04:27:17 PM
Who would have more success, Snacks at corner or Revis at nose? Snacks could at least jam a receiver, I can't think of anything that Revis could do in the centre of the DL.
The smaller player would be better at nose, because you could at least move him around.
Snacks wouldn't be able to get his hands on an NFL receiver.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2015, 04:33:26 PM
The smaller player would be better at nose, because you could at least move him around.
Snacks wouldn't be able to get his hands on an NFL receiver.
It would be funny to watch. D-line in the secondary, secondary along the d-line. Just one time in a game, that's all I ask. Maybe in a blowout.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2015, 04:42:48 PM
It would be funny to watch. D-line in the secondary, secondary along the d-line. Just one time in a game, that's all I ask. Maybe in a blowout.
We'll see that when we play Buffalo. Mario Williams will be covering Brandon Marshall and Stephon Gilmore will be rushing the passer.
Seriously though, we put a 170 pound kid in a three technique on passing downs and he can tear excrement up because he's so quick off the ball. This was a DL that had two D1 players that were 290 and 255 eating up space though. If a lineman gets his hands on him, it's over. But if he times to snap, he's in the backfield more often than not.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2015, 04:43:45 PM
It would be funny to watch. D-line in the secondary, secondary along the d-line. Just one time in a game, that's all I ask. Maybe in a blowout.
Do you want to get someone hurt? Because that seems like a good way to get someone hurt.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2015, 04:50:53 PM
Do you want to get someone hurt? Because that seems like a good way to get someone hurt.
Just one play. More likely than not it will be a quick dump off for a 95 yd TD as some slot receiver blows past TJ Barnes. We can just put the secondary off the line in zone coverage of the o-line. No one will touch each other and it will end in mass confusion.
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2015, 11:52:44 PM
I'm guessing that he's drunk.
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Post by: Libero_2 on June 10, 2015, 04:48:59 AM
LaCanfora on Twitter: Jets fans. Have no fear. You have the most punk rock front office in NFL history. Trust me. They know what time it isas long as it's not Tebow time ever again...
I'm guessing that he's drunk.
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Post by: Badger on June 10, 2015, 05:33:41 AM
LaCanfora on Twitter: Jets fans. Have no fear. You have the most punk rock front office in NFL history. Trust me. They know what time it is
I'm guessing that he's drunk.
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I don't know what this means, but I'm on board.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2015, 06:22:57 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2015, 12:26:40 PM
Post by: Tommy on June 10, 2015, 12:45:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2015, 12:52:48 PM
Funny but I don't get the Target joke.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
Post by: nyjunc on June 10, 2015, 12:53:14 PM
Funny but I don't get the Target joke.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Cromartie is one of the biggest posers i have ever seen and played against. Prolly the last guy I would take down an alley with me. #NFL
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2015, 01:01:56 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2015, 01:32:51 PM
And as for his "interview" with Milliner, it would be funny with his roster bubble comment if Milliner is the one who takes his job next year leading to him being a cap casualty. It won't happen, but still.
Post by: Tommy on June 10, 2015, 01:43:01 PM
Kellen Winslow Jr. @KellenWinslowJr 2h2 hours ago
Cromartie is one of the biggest posers i have ever seen and played against. Prolly the last guy I would take down an alley with me. #NFL
So he wouldn't blow Cro in an alley. Got it.
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2015, 01:50:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 10, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
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It was Brandon Marshall's day to talk at Jets minicamp, and that's always a treat. Marshall was asked Wednesday to talk about his relationship with fellow wide receiver Eric Decker.
"Alshon?" Marshall asked.
"Decker," the questioner clarified.
"Jeffery?"
"Eric Decker."
"Oh, Alshon."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/brandon-marshall-compares-eric-decker-to-bears-wide-receiver-alshon-jeffery-1.10530328
Post by: Fenwyr on June 11, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Funny but I don't get the Target joke.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 11, 2015, 12:25:04 PM
Bowles is rocking some sweet new era jets hats at pressers this week.They finally started selling these hats and I got mine in the mail today. The one in the 2nd pic, although mine is the standard green/white, Bowles's is cooler.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/09/8d7b3c0334791db0f82ba392c857a6de.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/09/9b3127a522cd9beb6c2019237d752bd9.jpg)
Post by: Cane on June 11, 2015, 07:13:16 PM
They finally started selling these hats and I got mine in the mail today. The one in the 2nd pic, although mine is the standard green/white, Bowles's is cooler.
Awesome, I figured it was a matter of time. I like the throwback logo in green, reminds me of a hat I had when I was a kid.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 11, 2015, 07:26:30 PM
They finally started selling these hats and I got mine in the mail today. The one in the 2nd pic, although mine is the standard green/white, Bowles's is cooler.
I had a Mitchell and Ness hat in white and green like the first one. Got it maybe 6 years ago, but they stopped making it. I guess that's why.
Post by: Tommy on June 12, 2015, 08:09:29 AM
Post by: Cane on June 14, 2015, 09:31:26 PM
http://m.fanatics.com/NFL_New_York_Jets_Hats/New_York_Jets_New_Era_Throwback_Logo_Coaches_Stretch_39THIRTY_Flex_Hat_-_Green
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Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 15, 2015, 08:39:16 AM
Source: 10 total teams put a waiver claim in on TE Tim Wright. TB, NYJ, CHI, ATL, CLE, NO, MIA, KC, PIT, DET. Bucs had 1st priority.
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2015, 09:49:58 AM
Jets owner @WoodyJohnson4 will be the national finance chairman for former Florida governor Jeb Bush's presidential campaign. #nyj
#TeamJeb
Post by: Miamipuck on June 24, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 24, 2015, 11:09:28 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 24, 2015, 11:12:06 AM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 59s60 seconds agoAbout time the Jets get to the Whitehouse
Jets owner @WoodyJohnson4 will be the national finance chairman for former Florida governor Jeb Bush's presidential campaign. #nyj
#TeamJeb
Post by: Cane on June 28, 2015, 07:24:08 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 30, 2015, 10:11:59 AM
Nick mangold playing fast money on celebrity family feud after the commercial break. On abc.
Mangold won the game for them.
NFL Network ran the Top 10 QB Teases of all time. I caught the end looking for Chad and he wasn't on it. They did have Sanchez at #10 and Richard Todd I think #6, which makes me think Chad was too good to qualify for the list. Scott Mitchell was #1, Elvis Grbac #2, others who made the list were Dante Culpepper, Jeff George and Andy Dalton.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 30, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 30, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 30, 2015, 10:24:30 AM
Andy Dalton?
That surprised me too, he's only been in the league a few years. Even Sanchez is still in his 20s, I can think of a lot better choices.
Post by: Cane on June 30, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 30, 2015, 11:39:20 AM
Andy Dalton is terrible. I watched a bunch of Bengal games last year and he was absolutely painful to watch. It is early to put him on a list like that, but he's a guy who could lose his job at any time and it wouldn't surprise me.
He just doesn't belong on a Top 10 Tease list when he's played exactly the way anyone should've expected. He's a mid-major QB prospect with limited physical ability and average upside. That's pretty much all he's become for Cincinnati when he's playing at his best.
McCarron could step in and do similar things for them.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2015, 09:06:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 09, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
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Post by: Badger on July 13, 2015, 07:08:31 PM
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Post by: Pope on July 13, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2015, 10:32:53 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 14, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
You want to know how desperately we need football back? This is a story. (http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-9/Darrelle-Revis-Mom-Makes-a-Big-Handoff/1639d09e-0faa-45f9-899b-eb504a8e3b29)
They don't even have the same last name, how did he find out it was Darelle Revis' mom? Did she sign the letter,
"Your Welcome, the mother of Darrelle Revis Jets #24"
Post by: insanity on July 14, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
Good job NFL.com
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Why is Sheldon Richardson name Muhammad Wilkerson and drawn up like Dewayne Robertson?
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2015, 12:06:31 PM
Why is Sheldon Richardson name Muhammad Wilkerson and drawn up like Dewayne Robertson?
because the Pats are classy.
Post by: MBGreen on July 17, 2015, 03:24:53 PM
Jets are valued at $1.8 billion and ranked 17th on the annual Forbes Top 50 list. #nyj
Post by: ukilledkenny on July 23, 2015, 05:50:54 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 23, 2015, 06:58:07 AM
Jets are #2 on the NFL.com pain rankings.
WOOOOOO!
oh wait is that a bad thing?
Post by: Johnny English on July 23, 2015, 07:23:23 AM
Jets are #2 on the NFL.com pain rankings.
It's written by a Jets fan and it's stupid. There are plenty of teams who have had it way worse than the Jets over their history.
Post by: ukilledkenny on July 23, 2015, 08:44:50 AM
It's written by a Jets fan and it's stupid. There are plenty of teams who have had it way worse than the Jets over their history.
Were the rankings decided by just one guy who's a Jets fan? I didn't read any of the articles for the rankings, I just saw it on the main page.
Post by: Johnny English on July 23, 2015, 08:46:28 AM
Were the rankings decided by just one guy who's a Jets fan? I didn't read any of the articles for the rankings, I just saw it on the main page.
Yes, all done by Hanzus. Cleveland will presumably be #1.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000501709/article/around-the-nfls-pain-rankings
Post by: nyjunc on July 23, 2015, 08:49:11 AM
It's written by a Jets fan and it's stupid. There are plenty of teams who have had it way worse than the Jets over their history.
it was stupid, we have had our share of pain but the franchise still has a SB win and we have been to the playoffs a lot and won a bunch of playoff games. Just in our division Buffalo has never won a SB and they haven't even been to postseason since last Century, Miami has made one playoff app since 2002 and hasn't won a playoff game since 2000.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 23, 2015, 08:55:32 AM
It's a freaking hilarious narrative if you take a step back and look. Teams have had murderers on their roster, child beaters, woman beaters, alleged rapists we know are guilty as freak, outright cheat to get a competitive advantage and get caught but the Jets rank as one of the organizations with the least amount of arrests.
It's da Jets though. It really is dumb but instead of get angry I just laugh about it.
Post by: Johnny English on July 23, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on July 23, 2015, 09:09:10 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 18, 2015, 12:14:11 PM
Believe it or not, Woody let me broadcast from #ClasslessJets camp. I'm askin Tard Bowl hahd hittin questions and answerin dem myself.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2015, 12:57:16 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 18, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2015, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: Pope on August 25, 2015, 01:03:08 PM
Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2015, 01:15:52 PM
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Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
Look at Pope classin' it up
Post by: Miamipuck on August 25, 2015, 01:27:22 PM
Look at Pope classin' it up
He just got rid of it because a couple of black players signed it.
Post by: Tommy on August 25, 2015, 01:30:22 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 25, 2015, 01:48:32 PM
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Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
That's really cool. The ball, and your move.
Post by: nyjunc on August 25, 2015, 01:49:45 PM
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Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
Nice job Pope.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2015, 01:52:31 PM
Look at Pope classin' it up
He's practically a Giants fan.
Post by: nyjunc on August 25, 2015, 02:16:35 PM
He's practically a Giants fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKfceBq-j9Y
let's not get crazy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2015, 08:30:07 PM
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Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
You are a better man than I, sir.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 31, 2015, 11:06:27 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/31/are-the-jets-redskins-or-49ers-the-early-favorite-to-be-nfls-most-dysfunctional-team-of-2015/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/31/are-the-jets-redskins-or-49ers-the-early-favorite-to-be-nfls-most-dysfunctional-team-of-2015/)
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
I hate the media, "da Jets r a sirkus mang":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/31/are-the-jets-redskins-or-49ers-the-early-favorite-to-be-nfls-most-dysfunctional-team-of-2015/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/31/are-the-jets-redskins-or-49ers-the-early-favorite-to-be-nfls-most-dysfunctional-team-of-2015/)
"would-be franchise quarterback"
Geno Smith stinks
Post by: Miamipuck on August 31, 2015, 11:15:35 AM
"would-be franchise quarterback"
Geno Smith stinks
The entire Jets thing is freaking dumb but it is what it is.
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2015, 11:23:30 AM
"would-be franchise quarterback"
Geno Smith stinks
I hate how he suddenly became a star when he was punched.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 31, 2015, 11:57:56 AM
I hate how he suddenly became a star when he was punched.
It's like a shitty singer who ODs and becomes a legend.
Post by: Koz on August 31, 2015, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2015, 12:55:48 PM
Just wondering if I'm the only one who reads the title as "Miss a Lahn E AH"
As opposed to what?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 01:09:31 PM
As opposed to what?
NY Jets excrement
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 31, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
NY Jets excrement
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 31, 2015, 01:19:07 PM
I hate how he suddenly became a star when he was punched.Gotta fit the narrative!
That said, while the circus thing is so annoying, we earned some of it this season with Sheldon and Geno.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 31, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Gotta fit the narrative!
That said, while the circus thing is so annoying, we earned some of it this season with Sheldon and Geno.
Most teams have something. We don't have our QB in federal court or a guy with nine fingers.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 31, 2015, 01:43:46 PM
Most teams have something. We don't have our QB in federal court or a guy with nine fingers.
8 1/2 to be precise.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
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Bowles on Enunwa as a hybrid WR/TE: He's kind of a tweener. It gives the opposition a problem. Kind of an interesting guy.
From a size standpoint, I tend to forget how big he his. He's almost Brandon Marshall's weight and 2 inches shorter. Not a skinny dude.
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 05:03:05 PM
DCs will scratch their heads trying to decide if a CB or LB is better suited to watching him drop passes.Dude, where are you seeing all this video of him being so terrible? I know Idzik drafted him and all, but at least he's just unproven at this point.
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2015, 06:46:49 PM
Dude, where are you seeing all this video of him being so terrible? I know Idzik drafted him and all, but at least he's just unproven at this point.
Quincy Enunwa leaves meat on his chicken wings.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 07:10:21 PM
Quincy Enunwa leaves meat on his chicken wings.Quincy Enunwa puts ice cream back in the freezer with one spoonful left.
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2015, 07:34:32 PM
Quincy Enunwa puts ice cream back in the freezer with one spoonful left.
Quincy Enunwa doesn't replace the liner on the trash can.
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2015, 08:08:04 PM
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Post by: Pope on August 31, 2015, 11:14:08 PM
Post by: Koz on September 01, 2015, 04:58:42 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Quincy Enunwa plants hairs at the bottom of his chicken and riblets platter just to avoid paying for the meal after he's nearly finished.
Good one, Bro.
Post by: Jetaho on September 01, 2015, 11:32:46 AM
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 01, 2015, 11:43:18 AM
Quincy Enunwa thinks Rex would have turned it around.
So Quincy Enunwa is either Badger or Italian Seafood.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
So Quincy Enunwa is either Badger or Italian Seafood.
I was a college WR and so far have made about as much impact in the pros.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 12:22:47 PM
Willie Colon is officially the starting right guard #nyj
Eric Allen @eallenjets · 1m1 minute ago
The Jets today placed tight end Jace Amaro and DE Kevin Vickerson on injured reserve and have waived/injured cornerback Dashaun Phillips.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2015, 12:24:54 PM
Where's Sudfeld
Post by: Tommy on September 01, 2015, 12:28:01 PM
Post by: Koz on September 01, 2015, 12:32:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2015, 12:37:14 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 1m1 minute ago
Willie Colon is officially the starting right guard #nyj
Eric Allen @eallenjets · 1m1 minute ago
The Jets today placed tight end Jace Amaro and DE Kevin Vickerson on injured reserve and have waived/injured cornerback Dashaun Phillips.
This is not NYJ Miscellanea and Heismanberg will be mad at you.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 12:40:35 PM
This is not NYJ Miscellanea and Heismanberg will be mad at you.
freak him. Doesn't like me anyway.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 01, 2015, 12:56:31 PM
freak him. Doesn't like me anyway.
That's not saying much, nobody does. lol
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2015, 01:01:16 PM
Holy freak losing Amaro sucks
Where's Sudfeld
Playing a banjo somewhere with a knee brace.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 01:08:46 PM
That's not saying much, nobody does. lol
Sorry you feel that way, Puck. I was a big fan of your band back in the day.
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 01, 2015, 01:19:34 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 01:33:33 PM
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You're in reruns already?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 01, 2015, 10:01:44 PM
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According to ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini, the team is "smitten" with second-year WR Quincy Enunwa.
Coach Todd Bowles called the 2014 sixth-round pick a "tweener" due to his 6'2/225 size and above-average blocking skills for a receiver. With Jace Amaro (shoulder) done for the season, Enunwa could have a real role on offense. OC Chan Gailey used four-receiver sets on a league-high 586 snaps from 2010-2012 in Buffalo. Enunwa and Brandon Marshall make for ideal slot players.
Post by: NDMick on September 01, 2015, 10:38:32 PM
I freaking hate our LBs. They may be the worst in the league.
Post by: NDMick on September 02, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
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Top 5 Interior Defenders by PFF Run Defense Rating: 1. D. Harrison 93 2. M. Dareus 92 3. B. Williams 91 4. J. Watt 90 5. S. Richardson 90
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) September 2, 2015
How nice.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 02, 2015, 02:09:03 PM
I freaking hate our LBs. They may be the worst in the league.
We're going to find out this year if our inability to cover the middle of the field, especially TEs, was a Rex thing or a slow LB thing.
Post by: NDMick on September 02, 2015, 03:31:28 PM
We're going to find out this year if our inability to cover the middle of the field, especially TEs, was a Rex thing or a slow LB thing.
The LBs have been excrement for years. It was probably a combo of both, but the LBs have been a problem since 2012.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 07, 2015, 05:14:39 PM
Few Jets switch uniform numbers. Headliner: First-round pick Leonard Williams trades in No. 62 for No. 92. WR Quincy Enunwa is now No. 81
Finally
Post by: sg3 on September 07, 2015, 05:34:51 PM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 3m3 minutes agoGood
Few Jets switch uniform numbers. Headliner: First-round pick Leonard Williams trades in No. 62 for No. 92. WR Quincy Enunwa is now No. 81
Finally
Didn't like that 62
Last Jet high draft pick DL to wear a 60's number was the 2004 Kentucky Fried Fat Draft bust Dewayne
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Post by: Derek Smalls on September 07, 2015, 05:58:26 PM
GoodOne Big Katt to another Big Cat...
Didn't like that 62
Last Jet high draft pick DL to wear a 60's number was the 2004 Kentucky Fried Fat Draft bust Dewayne
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Post by: Libero_2 on September 07, 2015, 06:09:41 PM
One Big Katt to another Big Cat...
Glad to see Williams get the hell out of 62. 92 is a great number for a DE.
Richardson at 91, Williams at 92, Snacks at 94 and MoWilk at 96.
Love the DL number line
Post by: dcm1602 on September 07, 2015, 07:30:07 PM
Will the NFL swap it out, or are they left with their dicks in their hands
Post by: Johnny English on September 07, 2015, 07:47:21 PM
Kentucky Fried Fat Draft bust Dewayne
You actually came up with one that's moderately amusing, although it would have been better without "fat" as that was already implied by the first two words. Still, well done. Don't take this as encouragement.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 08, 2015, 08:17:25 AM
You actually came up with one that's moderately amusing, although it would have been better without "fat" as that was already implied by the first two words. Still, well done. Don't take this as encouragement.
Please don't feed the monster...
Post by: Miamipuck on September 08, 2015, 10:45:19 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jets-bowles-unflappable-despite-tough-summer-first-camp-190330053--nfl.html
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 08, 2015, 11:44:43 AM
One Big Katt to another Big Cat...
I read that's why we chose 92, that's pretty cool.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 09, 2015, 02:04:22 PM
As part of the new NFL season, Sky our sports broadcaster, had a day called "32 Live" where they visited all 32 teams over the course of the day and had interviews with players and officials.
Duff was on around 9.30 am your local time and he had the correspondent Jim White eating out of his hand with a brilliant explanation of the Jets playing facilities and his hopes for the forthcoming season- no rash predictions, no bluster, just great thoughtful assessment on what we can expect from this team this year and where we are going. With the nation watching I was proud to be a Jet.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 09, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
You guys didn't get this today.
As part of the new NFL season, Sky our sports broadcaster, had a day called "32 Live" where they visited all 32 teams over the course of the day and had interviews with players and officials.
Duff was on around 9.30 am your local time and he had the correspondent Jim White eating out of his hand with a brilliant explanation of the Jets playing facilities and his hopes for the forthcoming season- no rash predictions, no bluster, just great thoughtful assessment on what we can expect from this team this year and where we are going. With the nation watching I was proud to be a Jet.
That's fantstic really,
what did heck did he say?
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 09, 2015, 03:08:02 PM
Handled the controversy about Geno well saying 'we as a team have moved on from any adversity it caused' - ( no hint of disparity) and he is real happy about our playing staff this year and he has a lot of respect for Coach Bowles - who ran an intense camp but has the whole team on side for the campaign. - The guy came across very likable indeed.
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 09, 2015, 03:17:26 PM
Duff explained about the facilities for the players which he says are second to none in the NFL. The crew were right inside the Atlantic Health facility during the interview. I didn't know this but Duff was on the staff of the London Monarchs during NFL Europe - he's looking forward to getting over for the Dolphin game.
Handled the controversy about Geno well saying 'we as a team have moved on from any adversity it caused' - ( no hint of disparity) and he is real happy about our playing staff this year and he has a lot of respect for Coach Bowles - who ran an intense camp but has the whole team on side for the campaign. - The guy came across very likable indeed.
Thank you, he was on TV the last game and yeah he came across as very likable indeed. That said, I will want to dick punch him as soon as the Jets lose their first game.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 09, 2015, 03:17:31 PM
Duff explained about the facilities for the players which he says are second to none in the NFL. The crew were right inside the Atlantic Health facility during the interview. I didn't know this but Duff was on the staff of the London Monarchs during NFL Europe - he's looking forward to getting over for the Dolphin game.
Handled the controversy about Geno well saying 'we as a team have moved on from any adversity it caused' - ( no hint of disparity) and he is real happy about our playing staff this year and he has a lot of respect for Coach Bowles - who ran an intense camp but has the whole team on side for the campaign. - The guy came across very likable indeed.
This is something I've noticed too. It was made a big deal when he was hired that he'd never had a spotlight position before and that he'd have a tough time acclimating to the media in NY. Yet, every time I've seen him speak he looks comfortable and prepared for all questions.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 09, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
Thank you, he was on TV the last game and yeah he came across as very likable indeed. That said, I will want to dick punch him as soon as the Jets lose their first game.
And what if they only lose because one of Idzik's picks blows a play?
Post by: Miamipuck on September 09, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
And what if they only lose because one of Idzik's picks blows a play?
I don't recognize that name.
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
And what if they only lose because one of Idzik's picks blows a play?
Then Maccagnan is an idiot for keeping an Idzik pick around. (Richardson I am considering a Rex pick. I reserve the right to reassign any other Idzik picks should they accidentally do something good as well.)
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2015, 04:04:39 PM
This is something I've noticed too. It was made a big deal when he was hired that he'd never had a spotlight position before and that he'd have a tough time acclimating to the media in NY. Yet, every time I've seen him speak he looks comfortable and prepared for all questions.
Whenever I've heard him speak, including the town hall meeting, he's always been eloquent and has something substantial to say.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 09, 2015, 04:19:44 PM
I don't recognize that name.
You might know him as "fucktard."
Then Maccagnan is an idiot for keeping an Idzik pick around. (Richardson I am considering a Rex pick. I reserve the right to reassign any other Idzik picks should they accidentally do something good as well.)
Fair enough.
(Though when I made the comment I was thinking that we wouldn't have an Idzik pick on the field for at least 4 weeks, meaning we'd be 4-1. Then I recalled that McDougle survived cuts.)
Whenever I've heard him speak, including the town hall meeting, he's always been eloquent and has something substantial to say.
Yeah, he's clearly not the bumbling fool in front of a microphone that the media was originally painting. I'm sure Manish threw his keyboard at the wall.
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2015, 04:35:15 PM
Fair enough.
(Though when I made the comment I was thinking that we wouldn't have an Idzik pick on the field for at least 4 weeks, meaning we'd be 4-1. Then I recalled that McDougle survived cuts.)
Enunwa will see quite a bit of playing time if the talk from camp is to be believed.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2015, 07:25:53 AM
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Field Yates:Source: the Jets have converted $1.78M of K Nick Folk's $2.5M base salary into a signing bonus, creating $1,186,667 in cap space for 2015.
Jets needed a little cap space cushion.
Post by: Tommy on September 12, 2015, 08:51:32 AM
Jets needed a little cap space cushion.
I'm not a cap expert, but what's to stop them from converting most of the players' salaries into signing bonuses to generate a ton of cap space all the time?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2015, 09:03:00 AM
I'm not a cap expert, but what's to stop them from converting most of the players' salaries into signing bonuses to generate a ton of cap space all the time?
It takes a portion of money and divides it over the remaining contract instead of paying it this year. Basically it saves money this year, but increases his cap number the next 2 years. If you do that a lot, you are basically pushing off salaries until a later date. At some point, you have to pay the piper. The Saints did this a lot and ended up with a bunch of players they couldn't cut because they owed them too much money. They also had no money to sign free agents because they owed Drew Brees so much money.
In Folk's case, it will matter very little because he doesn't make that much. When you start doing that with Tony Romo and Drew Brees, who are making excrement tons of money, you are basically making their future salaries so big that it cripples your cap.
TL,DR- you are borrowing against future cap space.
Post by: Tommy on September 12, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
It takes a portion of money and divides it over the remaining contract instead of paying it this year. Basically it saves money this year, but increases his cap number the next 2 years. If you do that a lot, you are basically pushing off salaries until a later date. At some point, you have to pay the piper. The Saints did this a lot and ended up with a bunch of players they couldn't cut because they owed them too much money. They also had no money to sign free agents because they owed Drew Brees so much money.
In Folk's case, it will matter very little because he doesn't make that much. When you start doing that with Tony Romo and Drew Brees, who are making excrement tons of money, you are basically making their future salaries so big that it cripples your cap.
TL,DR- you are borrowing against future cap space.
Ah forgot about that. Thanks.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 12, 2015, 01:35:53 PM
It takes a portion of money and divides it over the remaining contract instead of paying it this year. Basically it saves money this year, but increases his cap number the next 2 years. If you do that a lot, you are basically pushing off salaries until a later date. At some point, you have to pay the piper. The Saints did this a lot and ended up with a bunch of players they couldn't cut because they owed them too much money. They also had no money to sign free agents because they owed Drew Brees so much money.
In Folk's case, it will matter very little because he doesn't make that much. When you start doing that with Tony Romo and Drew Brees, who are making excrement tons of money, you are basically making their future salaries so big that it cripples your cap.
TL,DR- you are borrowing against future cap space.
Thank you Bo. Expertly explained in nice Layman terms.
You have reminded me why I keep you around.
Post by: Tommy on September 12, 2015, 05:25:28 PM
Thank you Bo. Expertly explained in nice Layman terms.
You have reminded me why I keep you around.
We should really Bo's contract with us another 3 months, at least until the end of the regular reason.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
We should really Bo's contract with us another 3 months, at least until the end of the regular reason.I'll wreck your opinion of me soon enough. Give it time.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Awful nickname used in the article.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2015, 12:01:30 AM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-7/Restless-Joyous-Night-for-Gilchrist-/6ca3f632-1537-4042-ad2d-862c4171f193?campaign=fb
Awful nickname used in the article.
Gilly? Pretty normal. One of the world's greatest ever wicketkeepers, Adam Gilchrist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gilchrist), was always known as Gilly. If your issue with it is because of Game Of Thrones then the issue is yours, because Gilly has been in circulation long before that was a thing.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2015, 06:19:22 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2015, 06:59:25 AM
Gilly? Pretty normal. One of the world's greatest ever wicketkeepers, Adam Gilchrist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gilchrist), was always known as Gilly. If your issue with it is because of Game Of Thrones then the issue is yours, because Gilly has been in circulation long before that was a thing.I had to look up wicketkeeper. I am uncultured.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
Marshall, "We have no chance. We have a 5'5" journeyman quarterback who plays the Rubix cube more than he watches film. We have a malcontent WR ready to implode. 1st year coach, 1st year GM, no way the Jets have a chance. We'll just fly under the radar."
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2015, 05:08:26 AM
Love watching Brandon Marshall on Inside the Jets. They have a segment where each host takes a team and has to make a case for them winning the division.nice...
Marshall, "We have no chance. We have a 5'5" journeyman quarterback who plays the Rubix cube more than he watches film. We have a malcontent WR ready to implode. 1st year coach, 1st year GM, no way the Jets have a chance. We'll just fly under the radar."
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 16, 2015, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: @RapSheet
On the report from @DanGrazianoESPN on JPP’s piece missing from his thumb, source says it’s far above the joint. Just the tip.
Quote from: @jetoffensive
@RapSheet that's what she said
Jeez...hahahaha
Post by: Miamipuck on September 16, 2015, 10:45:24 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2015, 10:57:21 PM
Jeez...hahahaha
You're welcome
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2015, 05:50:16 AM
Hey does anyone know with the huge purge at the NY Daily News, was Mehta fired? They axed a decent sized portion of their sports desk today.
First I'm hearing of it
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2015, 07:34:47 AM
First I'm hearing of it
I should have said they fired a good portion of the entire paper, not just the sports desk. Zuckerman the
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2015, 08:47:32 AM
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
Post by: Pope on September 17, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 17, 2015, 10:52:04 AM
Hey does anyone know with the huge purge at the NY Daily News, was Mehta fired? They axed a decent sized portion of their sports desk today.
I don't think so. He's still tweeting links to his articles.
U mad Babin?:
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
I'm not sure how he doesn't understand that the coach saying he wants to win, and the GM saying he wants to build, doesn't mean he shouldn't have been released. It really actually covers both things.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
I don't think so. He's still tweeting links to his articles.
I'm not sure how he doesn't understand that the coach saying he wants to win, and the GM saying he wants to build, doesn't mean he shouldn't have been released. It really actually covers both things.
Dare to dream. It really doesn't matter with the Daily News in turmoil he will most likely be in Des Moines Iowa covering the Cornhuskers (I know).
Post by: insanity on September 17, 2015, 11:18:05 AM
I should have said they fired a good portion of the entire paper, not just the sports desk. Zuckerman thejewguy that owns the paper fired everyone.
Good that newspaper is a tabloid
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 17, 2015, 03:50:27 PM
2004-06: Texans
2007-08: Seahawks
2008: Chiefs
2009: Eagles
2010: Titans
2011-12: Eagles
2012-13: Jaguars
2014: Jets
2015: Ravens
You'd think he'd be used to this by now.
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2015, 03:53:44 PM
Jason Babin career:
2004-06: Texans
2007-08: Seahawks
2008: Chiefs
2009: Eagles
2010: Titans
2011-12: Eagles
2012-13: Jaguars
2014: Jets
2015: Ravens
You'd think he'd be used to this by now.
Maybe when he said there were 31 other teams who'd employ him, he meant that he was going to try and get round all of the other 31.
Post by: Ornstein on September 17, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
Todd Bowles mic'd up
Post by: sg3 on September 17, 2015, 06:59:52 PM
U mad Babin?:Freak you Babin you excrement
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
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Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
Post by: Tommy on September 17, 2015, 07:22:49 PM
Maybe when he said there were 31 other teams who'd employ him, he meant that he was going to try and get round all of the other 31.
Hahahaha. Crazy how he's played for nearly a third of all the teams in the league.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2015, 08:35:29 PM
Jason Babin career:Anyone able to think of a player whose played for more teams?
2004-06: Texans
2007-08: Seahawks
2008: Chiefs
2009: Eagles
2010: Titans
2011-12: Eagles
2012-13: Jaguars
2014: Jets
2015: Ravens
You'd think he'd be used to this by now.
And I mean actually played, not some dude buried on the bench
Post by: Miamipuck on September 18, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/beer-cost-every-nfl-stadium-163325037.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/beer-cost-every-nfl-stadium-163325037.html)
(http://finance.yahoo.com/news/beer-cost-every-nfl-stadium-163325037.html)
Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2015, 10:08:50 AM
A 16oz beer at the Air Canada Centre and the Skydome costs around $12.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 18, 2015, 10:17:43 AM
Wow, that really surprises me.
A 16oz beer at the Air Canada Centre and the Skydome costs around $12.
I am shocked as well. I thought for sure the Jets would be high on that list.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
I am shocked as well. I thought for sure the Jets would be high on that list.I assume they keep beer costs low so fans keep their season tickets
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 18, 2015, 11:16:23 AM
Post by: Tommy on September 18, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
I have never paid anywhere near as low as $5 for a beer at MetLife
Yeah, that data is just wrong. Also, there's no "small beer" at MetLife.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 18, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
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In 2012, the cheapest beer in MetLife Stadium, shared by the Jets and Giants, was $8.75 for a 16-ounce drink, or about $0.55 per ounce. Last season a new $5, 12-ounce option offered fans a better value buy, or roughly $0.42 per ounce.Aug 20, 2014
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 18, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
I don't know if anyone saw this, but Manish actually wrote a good article today. It talks about Fitz and how he's building chemistry with Marshall and Decker. It's a bit fluff, but it's not inflammatory nonsense: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-texts-fitzpatrick-hit-mark-jet-receivers-article-1.2365346 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-texts-fitzpatrick-hit-mark-jet-receivers-article-1.2365346)
Post by: insanity on September 18, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
Hahahaha. Crazy how he's played for nearly a third of all the teams in the league.
I see that math is not one of your strengths
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2015, 06:10:55 PM
Chan Gailey is speaking to the media. He said Kerley will have a role in the offense "in bits and pieces" going forward. All of the beat writers are saying it's apparent Kerley has been marginalized. Heismanberg will be happy.
I don't know if anyone saw this, but Manish actually wrote a good article today. It talks about Fitz and how he's building chemistry with Marshall and Decker. It's a bit fluff, but it's not inflammatory nonsense: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-texts-fitzpatrick-hit-mark-jet-receivers-article-1.2365346 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-texts-fitzpatrick-hit-mark-jet-receivers-article-1.2365346)
Fluff is what made us like Manish before he went full NYDN.
Post by: Coach K on September 19, 2015, 08:23:16 AM
Fluff is what made us like Manish before he went full NYDN.
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Pretty much. I almost forgot we liked him for a second lol
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2015, 08:27:20 AM
Chan Gailey is speaking to the media. He said Kerley will have a role in the offense "in bits and pieces" going forward. All of the beat writers are saying it's apparent Kerley has been marginalized. Heismanberg will be happy.
With Devin Smith getting back, Kerley needs to just sit his derriere down until we can move on from that waste of money.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 22, 2015, 01:30:03 PM
@MaryKayCabot
Former #Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor turned in a 4.2 and a 4.3 in the 40 in #Jets workout today, source tells http://cleveland.com .
Post by: Pope on September 22, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2015, 01:47:04 PM
Sounds like Terrelle Pryor and Corey Washington both working out for the Jets. Two intriguing size-speed guys.
@MaryKayCabot
Former #Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor turned in a 4.2 and a 4.3 in the 40 in #Jets workout today, source tells http://cleveland.com .
Impressive. I hope he can also learn those other wide receiverey things too.
Post by: Ornstein on September 22, 2015, 01:48:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Sounds like Terrelle Pryor and Corey Washington both working out for the Jets. Two intriguing size-speed guys.
@MaryKayCabot
Former #Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor turned in a 4.2 and a 4.3 in the 40 in #Jets workout today, source tells http://cleveland.com .
Damn, that's fast. Marshall / Decker / Pryor would be a huge receiving corps - 6'5", 6'3" and 6'4" respectively, and all well over 200 lbs. This is one hell of a physical team that the Jets are building.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2015, 01:57:50 PM
They could also just carry 2 quarterbacks and let Pryor be the emergency one.
They aren't cutting Geno this year and Petty isn't going on the practice squad.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2015, 02:00:40 PM
Damn, that's fast. Marshall / Decker / Pryor would be a huge receiving corps - 6'5", 6'3" and 6'4" respectively, and all well over 200 lbs. This is one hell of a physical team that the Jets are building.
usain Bolt- 6'5" est 3.9 40,, 3.21 short shutle jump ott of buildinggg. Raiders and Mr. davis wll bild a beasst on offeanse.
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 22, 2015, 02:03:35 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 22, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
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I think I’m drinking the Kool-Aid on the Jets defense. The secondary is stocked with ballhawks and the pass rush will be able to decimate offensive lines far better than the Colts—and that’s without Sheldon Richardson. Todd Bowles’ creativity has totally translated into his head coaching gig, and now he has more talent to work with than he ever had with the Cardinals.
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The Jets Have Arrived
I remember last year, when then-Arizona defensive coordinator Todd Bowles played four safeties on lots of the defensive snaps, two of them as box linebackers after losing both inside ‘backers in the off-season. Bowles did a tremendous job of mixing and matching Tony Jefferson, Tyrann Mathieu, Deone Bucannon and Rashad Johnson. He told me last year that he learned how to play with what you’ve got from Bill Parcells, one of his mentors in the coaching business. “Bill had an idea from the first guy on the roster to the last guy on the roster about how he would play them if they had to play,” Bowles said. “I learned a great deal from him about using all my pieces.”
That showed Monday night, against Luck. Nine defensive backs contributed. The star of the secondary, Darrelle Revis, came up with an interception and two fumble recoveries, and another free-agent signee, Marcus Gilchrist (from the Chargers) had four tackles and a pick. The front seven helped, with 10 quarterback sacks or hits of Luck. The Jets aren’t going to blow people out—offensive coordinator Chan Gailey’s way is not to be big and explosive, but rather to move efficiently and avoid the big turnover—but their defense looks like it will keep them in games enough to make them a playoff contender in what is, after two weeks, a shaky AFC field.
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8. N.Y. Jets (2-0). A ranking I never expected just 10 days ago. But the Jets are legit, as long as the quarterback doesn’t get careless.
Post by: nyjunc on September 22, 2015, 02:35:03 PM
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/22/nfl-week-2-power-rankings-new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-indianapolis-colts (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/22/nfl-week-2-power-rankings-new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-indianapolis-colts)
it's early and things can change but it is fun reading stuff like this. It sure beats last year and really the post 2010 years.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2015, 08:04:56 AM
Post by: Pope on September 25, 2015, 08:16:22 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 25, 2015, 08:19:35 AM
Skrine looks rapey as hell in that pic
He raped the Colts receivers for most of the game on Monday.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2015, 08:22:32 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2015, 09:20:37 AM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=COMBINED_GAMES_STARTED
477 starts between them, which is around 50% more than the next most experienced line. Also, according to that chart they have given up 39 QB hits in two games which makes them the second least effective unit in the league. I don't believe that number, I can't think how Fitz has been hit 39 times in the two games I've watched.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2015, 09:26:09 AM
The Jets' OL is the most experienced in the league by a huge distance.Maybe they are using the Brady hit scale, which counts times the QB was breathed on, farted on, looked at, and thought about.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=COMBINED_GAMES_STARTED
477 starts between them, which is around 50% more than the next most experienced line. Also, according to that chart they have given up 39 QB hits in two games which makes them the second least effective unit in the league. I don't believe that number, I can't think how Fitz has been hit 39 times in the two games I've watched.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 25, 2015, 10:30:26 AM
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/update/25315300/report-jets-wr-chris-owusu-knee-could-be-out-three-weeks
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2015, 11:17:31 AM
The Jets' OL is the most experienced in the league by a huge distance.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=COMBINED_GAMES_STARTED
477 starts between them, which is around 50% more than the next most experienced line. Also, according to that chart they have given up 39 QB hits in two games which makes them the second least effective unit in the league. I don't believe that number, I can't think how Fitz has been hit 39 times in the two games I've watched.
I don't see how that number can be right.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 25, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Maybe they are using the Brady hit scale, which counts times the QB was breathed on, farted on, looked at, and thought about.
Awesome, that's brilliant. But I just choked on my beer so respect some members are 5 hours ahead of you- poopchute!
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 25, 2015, 02:11:27 PM
Awesome, that's brilliant. But I just choked on my beer so respect some members are 5 hours ahead of you- poopchute!
Just be glad you weren't reading it 3 hours later or you'd have choked on a dick.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 25, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
Just be glad you weren't reading it 3 hours later or you'd have choked on a dick.
Ha! Your still bringing up that night club you took me to in Chelsea. I don't remember anything.
Post by: Tommy on September 25, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
Just be glad you weren't reading it 3 hours later or you'd have choked on a dick.
lolololololololol
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 25, 2015, 02:36:04 PM
lolololololololol
Don't encourage him
Post by: Tommy on September 25, 2015, 03:00:29 PM
Don't encourage him
Btw my buddy will text you next week. Think you met him at one of the tailgates. He's anxious to hang with a Scottish jets fan.
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 25, 2015, 03:29:41 PM
Post by: casman02 on September 27, 2015, 07:45:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP8yWScWEAAtrpB.jpg)
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Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
Post by: insanity on September 29, 2015, 07:19:45 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Jets-Players-Put-Coaching-Hats-On/19836ee8-5cea-4487-9cce-caa4362f065d
This is actually a great idea for the growth of the organization as it may encourage players late in their career who are interested in coaching to come here. It could also prove advantageous when courting a future coach to our team.
Seeing DD coaching isn't really a surprise given his leadership, but Coples out there has me thinking maybe there is some hope for him. Either that or maybe he's just trying to get some good press.
Post by: Pope on September 29, 2015, 07:38:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 30, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago
RB Antone Smith, who had injury settlement with Falcons at final cutdown, is now full go to resume football activities and sign with a team.
Might be worth a look. Speedy RB.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Might be worth a look. Speedy RB.
This quote fits, I bolded the pertinent part for you:
Reggie Dunlop: Oh you cheap son of a bitch. Are you crazy? Those guys are retards!
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their fuckin' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
McGrath: Reg, Reg, that reminds me. I was coachin' in Omaha in 1948 and Eddie Shore sends me this guy who was a terrible masturbator, you know, couldn't control himself. Why, he would get deliberate penalties so he could get over in the penalty box all by himself and damned if he wouldn't... you know...
Post by: bojanglesman on September 30, 2015, 02:53:09 PM
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 6m6 minutes ago
The #Jets have released DT Deon Simon, their 7th rd pick
Guess we're signing a tight end? Cumberland is out and I doubt they will roll with Wes Saxton.
Simon will probably end up booting someone else off the practice squad in a day or so.
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2015, 04:29:14 PM
They've been working out Bryce Brown.
Guess we're signing a tight end? Cumberland is out and I doubt they will roll with Wes Saxton.
Simon will probably end up booting someone else off the practice squad in a day or so.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2015, 09:11:56 PM
Might be worth a look. Speedy RB.Antone Smith was super explosive in limited action last year. I was convinced Idzik would sign him since he would probably come super cheap. I wouldn't mind him, but I think we're fine at RB right now barring an injury
Post by: Miamipuck on October 05, 2015, 10:00:22 AM
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/05/new-york-jets-todd-bowles-darrelle-revis-2015-nfl-week-4 (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/05/new-york-jets-todd-bowles-darrelle-revis-2015-nfl-week-4)
Post by: Johnny English on October 05, 2015, 10:11:23 AM
Very good/encouraging article on Todd Bowles:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/05/new-york-jets-todd-bowles-darrelle-revis-2015-nfl-week-4 (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/05/new-york-jets-todd-bowles-darrelle-revis-2015-nfl-week-4)
It is a good article, and it makes me once more think to the most intriguing matchup of the season - can Bowles figure out how to stop Gronkowski? Stop Brady from completing to Gronkowski and we'll beat the Patriots.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 05, 2015, 10:13:02 AM
It is a good article, and it makes me once more think to the most intriguing matchup of the season - can Bowles figure out how to stop Gronkowski? Stop Brady from completing to Gronkowski and we'll beat the Patriots.
Double coverage on Gronk and pressure Brady. Seems easy enough, but nobody can seem to do it consistently.
Post by: Jumbo on October 13, 2015, 12:56:35 PM
U mad Babin?:
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
Update: Babin was just cut from the Ravens, a team that can't rush the passer for excrement
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 13, 2015, 02:21:06 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2015, 11:06:31 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork-jets/post/_/id/54948/todd-bowles-and-ryan-fitzpatrick-cool-calm-and-connected
Post by: Tommy on October 14, 2015, 02:10:52 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
I love reading articles about our team when we have a winning record.
http://nypost.com/2015/10/10/inside-the-crazed-7-day-spending-spree-that-transformed-the-jets/
Post by: dcm1602 on October 16, 2015, 10:20:14 AM
Coach Todd Bowles is looking for improvement out of second-round WR Devin Smith.
"Grasp of the offense," Bowles said. "Playing a lot faster. Using his hands a little more. Getting off blocks and playing at the speed he’s capable of playing." Smith has been active and involved on offense the past two games, but has caught just 5-of-16 targets for 53 scoreless yards. It's not all his fault, however. Ryan Fitzpatrick has been erratic trying to get the deep ball to the speedy rookie.
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2015, 10:55:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2015, 10:04:59 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25345471/rex-ryans-bills-keep-talking----and-losing----while-jets-play-speaks-for-itself
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
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3. Yardage Differential
This is not a category the Jets normally rank high in. But with the 249-yard advantage over Washington, they are now the only NFL team averaging 100 yards more than their opponents, plus-110.6, to be exact.
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5B. Red Zone Offense
These don't always work hand-in-hand, but the RZ offense likewise has roared up the charts, from dead-last in TD rate last year (36.2%) to third this year (73.7%). Also interesting: The Jets got charged for a failed RZ opportunity when Fitzpatrick kneeled from the Cleveland 10 to seal the opening-day win over the Browns. It counts, but if we factor that out, the Jets have scored on all 18 of their RZ drives (14 TDs, four FGs), a 100% rate that would be tied for the league lead.
Post by: NDMick on October 22, 2015, 06:02:12 AM
Good team.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2015, 08:20:46 AM
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Per ProFootballFocus, the two most used coverages by the team are "Cover 1 Blitz" and "Cover 0 Blitz."
Post by: Heismanberg on October 22, 2015, 08:52:04 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 22, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
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The Jets are 4-1 through five games, their best start since 2011 and a complete turnaround from their 1-4 record at the same point last season.
The reasons for this turnaround are manifold. The big-budget makeover of the secondary was a major game-changer, as was the necessary culture shift at the top with coach Todd Bowles and general manager Mike Maccagnan. Then there's Ryan Fitzpatrick, whose steady hand helped return the team to sanity after The Punch.
But what might separate this Jets team the most from those that preceded it are the playmakers at Fitzpatrick's disposal. In wide receiver Brandon Marshall and running back Chris Ivory, the Jets have stud producers you can put in the top 10 -- and even top five -- of their respective position groups.
Marshall made some Jets history in Sunday's win over the Redskins, becoming the first Gang Green wide receiver to post four straight 100-yard games since Don Maynard in 1968. Ivory rushed for 158 yards and a touchdown on just 20 carries and now sits third in the league in rushing despite playing just four games in the season's first six weeks.
Add Eric Decker to the conversation, and the Jets have their best set of "triplets" since Keyshawn Johnson, Wayne Chrebet and Curtis Martin powered Bill Parcells' attack in the late 90s. On Sunday, Ivory, Marshall and Decker combined for 366 total yards and three scores.
It's time to buy in: The Jets are good. They lack a signature win against a high-quality opponent and a slapdown at the hands of the loaded Patriots next weekend is certainly possible. But this is a well-coached team with a top-level defense and some legit playmakers on offense. The recipe is there.
Fitzpatrick remains a limited quarterback, and no one should be stunned if Geno Smith eventually sees the field. But when Fitzpatrick is playing within himself -- as he has for much of the year -- the Jets can hang with anybody in the AFC.
In theory. The first true test comes Sunday.
Nothing really new here, but the two bolded points really caught my attention.
1. the jets have not had a WR to post 4 consecutive 100-yd games in over 45 years! What a woeful indictment of Jets offenses over the years.
2. the triplet of Marshall, Decker & Ivory is better than Johnson, Chrebet and Martin!
..I don't think Fitzpatrick is as good as Vinnie, but he doesn't have to be. He just has to limit turnovers and let his play makers do the rest.
I will be honest I stopped reading here:
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Post by: Tommy on October 22, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
Post by: Pope on October 22, 2015, 03:19:21 PM
Post by: nyjunc on October 22, 2015, 03:30:45 PM
Post by: insanity on October 22, 2015, 04:17:09 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000561048/article/jets-are-improved-but-will-they-pass-foxborough-test
I will be honest I stopped reading here:
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Bowles <3s Manifolds (Mangini Vagini folds *work)
Post by: Tommy on October 23, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 23, 2015, 11:53:54 AM
Today is the 15th anniversary of the Monday Night Miracle.
I still remember I was sitting on my couch studying for finals wondering WTF was happening. Needless to say I didn't study all that much.
Post by: insanity on October 23, 2015, 12:28:36 PM
Today is the 15th anniversary of the Monday Night Miracle.
but, its not Monday
Post by: Fenwyr on October 23, 2015, 01:57:49 PM
I still remember I was sitting on my couch studying for finals wondering WTF was happening. Needless to say I didn't study all that much.
I gave up and started playing Rainbow Six early in the 2nd half. My screen name was FUCKTHEJETS and I was owning everyone out of pure rage. Good thing I left the TV going in the background.
Post by: Koz on October 23, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on October 23, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
I was having sex with your sister at the time and could have cared less about the game.
She was 12. Is there even a statute of limitations for raping a child?
Post by: MBGreen on October 23, 2015, 02:33:23 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2015, 02:58:21 PM
She was 12. Is there even a statute of limitations for raping a child?
He knows all about the law.
Post by: Koz on October 23, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 23, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
Post by: Pope on October 23, 2015, 06:38:56 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 23, 2015, 07:20:21 PM
Post by: Pope on October 24, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JOBBaKS.jpg)
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2015, 09:48:41 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/28/67b5b64d7cc27da8b2fc5603e1dbea68.jpg)
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2015, 05:57:07 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 31, 2015, 06:11:05 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos/photo-gallery/Flight-Crew-Halloween-Rehearsal/8aea8277-b423-405e-a9da-be90c4433eab?campaign=fb
That was delightful, thank you.
Post by: reuben on October 31, 2015, 07:34:58 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos/photo-gallery/Flight-Crew-Halloween-Rehearsal/8aea8277-b423-405e-a9da-be90c4433eab?campaign=fb
What the freak ia wrong with their heads? (http://prod.images.jets.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/JETS/assets/images/imported/NYJ/photos/clubimages/2015/10-October/tempPhoto-Oct-26-65902--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720)
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2015, 08:44:28 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dbacile/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dbacile/media/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg.html)
Post by: nyjunc on November 06, 2015, 07:21:51 AM
Found this picture of me from Christmas 1974:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dbacile/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dbacile/media/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg.html)
That is awesome IS.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 06, 2015, 08:36:56 AM
Found this picture of me from Christmas 1974:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dbacile/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dbacile/media/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg.html)
freaking cool stuff. Hope I had a helmet like that one. My first Jets' t-shirt came when I was like 19 :/. The problems of being a foreign fan in a country where everybody loves the freaking Cowboys.
Post by: Tommy on November 06, 2015, 09:21:58 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 06, 2015, 11:09:30 AM
Post by: guinness77 on November 06, 2015, 11:21:43 AM
Post by: nyjunc on November 06, 2015, 01:07:51 PM
Is that the electric football game in the background? Most ridiculous yet fun thing haha.
A few years ago my brother picked one up and we tried playing it, it was awful but as a kid I loved it. Great memories of playing that stupid game ;D
I love this game as a kid too and I played that somewhat recently and it's still fun ;D
(http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Mattel/Mattel-Football.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 06, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Is that the electric football game in the background? Most ridiculous yet fun thing haha.
Yeah, that was the year I dove into football. NFL, WFL, college, everything.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 06, 2015, 03:04:57 PM
A few years ago my brother picked one up and we tried playing it, it was awful but as a kid I loved it. Great memories of playing that stupid game ;D
I love this game as a kid too and I played that somewhat recently and it's still fun ;D
(http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Mattel/Mattel-Football.jpg)
Had one of those a few years later.
Post by: guinness77 on November 07, 2015, 12:34:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 07, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Yep. I had that game too. We're old.
You're not old. You know what football game old people had? A football.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 07, 2015, 02:41:15 PM
You're not old. You know what football game old people had? A football.
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
Post by: Coach K on November 07, 2015, 05:32:27 PM
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
Lol wow
Post by: nyjunc on November 09, 2015, 07:47:50 AM
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
who the hell is Travis Pastrana?
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 09, 2015, 09:16:50 AM
who the hell is Travis Pastrana?
He is famous for dirt bike stuff, Xgames and all that. Now more of a professional dare devil.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2015, 09:20:25 AM
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
excrement I am in the same boat as Travis Pastrana.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 09, 2015, 10:36:38 AM
who the hell is Travis Pastrana?
I had no idea either.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2015, 11:38:53 AM
Prince Amukamara @PrinceAmukamara · 52m52 minutes ago
This laundry bottle looks like a football so @EricDecker87 would prob drop it #Ad #TheClosestRivals @KeyFood
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTtLX5dWEAQWCu-.jpg:large)
Eric Decker @EricDecker87 · 9m9 minutes ago
Comin from @PrinceAmukamara who came into season w/6 ints? Should u be talkin about drops? #thatswhyyouplayD #Ad #TheClosestRivals @KeyFood
Eric Decker @EricDecker87 · 9m9 minutes ago
Oh BTW I'm at @KeyFood @PrinceAmukamara in case you need something for that sick burn #Dang #Ad #TheClosestRivals
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTtV1CxVAAAJINK.jpg:large)
Post by: Pope on November 13, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
Eric Decker @EricDecker87 · 3m3 minutes ago @PrinceAmukamara At least I'm not black
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
Quote
Eric Decker @EricDecker87 · 3m3 minutes ago @PrinceAmukamara Wanna run the train on Jessie?
Woah!!!
Post by: steves850 on November 13, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
Post by: Pope on November 13, 2015, 03:05:50 PM
Was it deleted? Went to grab a screenshot and I gost nothing.Yea he must have deleted
Post by: nyjunc on November 13, 2015, 03:13:21 PM
Yea he must have deleted
(http://www.finheaven.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)
Post by: Miamipuck on November 13, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
Yea he must have deleted
hahahah I am rolling right now........
Post by: Cane on December 01, 2015, 03:43:27 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/01/c093c2a1ecda3d86b25b01f7755c6606.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2015, 04:08:19 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 01, 2015, 04:26:48 PM
Post by: Emerson Boozer on December 01, 2015, 08:12:07 PM
Is that the official Jets app? Please tell me that's not the official app.
Bleacher Report
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2015, 10:11:01 PM
Find the funny.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/01/c093c2a1ecda3d86b25b01f7755c6606.jpg)
Tommy doesn't get it.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2015, 10:46:20 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 03, 2015, 06:06:44 PM
Post by: Badger on December 06, 2015, 05:53:35 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/06/6ca81152600637fd1b38a07f48147b00.jpg)
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2015, 11:55:55 PM
Post by: Pope on December 12, 2015, 12:49:27 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 12, 2015, 07:43:23 AM
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/breno-giacomini-full-circle/
I love the Tribune stories, they're so well done.
Post by: sg3 on December 12, 2015, 08:34:34 AM
For Puck:Love that Menorah pic
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/06/6ca81152600637fd1b38a07f48147b00.jpg)
Great job
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 12, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2015, 06:48:37 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 14, 2015, 06:52:52 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 17, 2015, 12:00:26 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 17, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
Just realized, no NYJ head coach has had a losing record in his first season since Rich Kotite 20 years ago. Don't know what that means but it's a pretty impressive stat. If we win one of our three remaining games, then the stat changes to every NYJ coach since Rich Kotite has had a winning record in his first year.
and only BP and Groh missed the playoffs
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 18, 2015, 07:57:35 AM
Post by: Tommy on December 18, 2015, 09:33:31 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6MTuAx6Ib30
did not know that. Good link,
Post by: NDMick on December 18, 2015, 01:41:01 PM
Just realized, no NYJ head coach has had a losing record in his first season since Rich Kotite 20 years ago. Don't know what that means but it's a pretty impressive stat. If we win one of our three remaining games, then the stat changes to every NYJ coach since Rich Kotite has had a winning record in his first year.
It's that 2nd or 3rd year that is always troubling.
Post by: nyjunc on December 18, 2015, 01:42:47 PM
It's that 2nd or 3rd year that is always troubling.
BP 2nd year AFC East Champs, title game
Groh no 2nd year
Herm 2nd year AFC East champs, div rd
Mangini 4-12
Rex 11-5, title game
it's more the 3rd year:
BP 8-8
Herm 6-10
Mangini 9-7 no playoffs
Rex 8-8
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2015, 12:09:34 AM
Post by: reuben on December 20, 2015, 01:59:08 AM
Four Jets on this page. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
Post by: Pope on December 20, 2015, 12:09:04 PM
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
Holy excrement Marcus Williams has 6 picks
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.
But knowing this kid looks like a sold starter he fell on our laps.
One less need this offseason
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2015, 02:02:33 PM
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.
No he didn't.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 20, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.
But knowing this kid looks like a sold starter he fell on our laps.
One less need this offseason
He started for us last year.
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2015, 03:18:12 PM
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2015, 03:19:32 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 20, 2015, 03:35:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2015, 03:45:36 PM
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.Diff didn't steal him, he was here last year.
But knowing this kid looks like a sold starter he fell on our laps.
One less need this offseason
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2015, 04:01:50 PM
If anyone else wants to correct Coach K, please take a number and wait in line.I'm on Tapatalk, didn't see there was another page beyond his quote.
Also, Marcus Williams was here last you stupid poopchute coach k
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 20, 2015, 04:52:16 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 20, 2015, 07:03:04 PM
Diff didn't steal him, he was here last year.
Diff did steal Fitzwilliam though
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/12/22/10651100/joe-anderson-jets-nfl-signing-brandon-marshall-begging-for-job-texans (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/12/22/10651100/joe-anderson-jets-nfl-signing-brandon-marshall-begging-for-job-texans)
Quote
Joe Anderson's next chance at achieving his NFL dream is coming true. A month ago he was begging to be noticed by an NFL team, holding a sign outside the Texans stadium that said: "Not hungry, but STARVING for success."
Jets wide receiver Brandon Marshall took notice, sharing the image and saying Anderson was "one of the hardest working guys I've had the pleasure playing with." The two played together in Chicago and now they're destined to be teammates again.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 22, 2015, 03:22:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
WR, team captain, coach, and now GM. Next week there will be stories about Marshall sitting up until 1am in front of an Excel spreadsheet doing the monthly payroll calculations and corporation tax submission.
Don't forget TV personality. He does a good Michael Irvin.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2015, 03:25:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2015, 03:29:44 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 22, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
I kind of like him taking ownership, I wish more players would do it.
I don't know how much I wish more players would do it (keep in mind Willie Colon embraced being a leader last year and helped everyone master the art of generating negative yardage via yellow flags).
That said, I like that Marshall is doing it. He's a well-spoken long-time vet who works his derriere off every day. He's exactly the kind of guy I want stepping up in that leadership role.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2015, 03:36:35 PM
He's a well-spoken....
:0
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 22, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
:0
?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
Speaking of special teams, Rontez Miles has been a great special teamer lately.
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2015, 09:36:55 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
Post by: Miamipuck on December 29, 2015, 09:44:06 AM
Top five in the NFL's Power Rankings. Can't remember the last time that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
December 2nd 1998
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Top five in the NFL's Power Rankings. Can't remember the last time that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr184/abbahj9/Mobile%20Uploads/image_36.jpg)
Post by: Pope on December 29, 2015, 01:04:02 PM
Post by: NDMick on December 29, 2015, 01:44:10 PM
Top five in the NFL's Power Rankings. Can't remember the last time that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
Do college kids write the ranking paragraphs?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 29, 2015, 04:15:04 PM
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr184/abbahj9/Mobile%20Uploads/image_36.jpg)
2008 after we beat the Titans IIRC.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2015, 05:53:14 PM
2008 after we beat the Titans IIRC.
Not sure if you are serious but this was 3 weeks ago when we were murdering Tennessee. That's Brandon Marshall in the picture...
Post by: NDMick on December 29, 2015, 08:23:46 PM
Not sure if you are serious but this was 3 weeks ago when we were murdering Tennessee. That's Brandon Marshall in the picture...
He thought it was Justin McCareins.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2015, 09:23:00 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/30/scot-mccloughan-in-a-two-man-race-for-nfl-executive-of-the-year/
They think Mac is the front runner for NFL executive of the year.
whens the last time the Jets had a guy like that at the helm
Post by: Coach K on December 30, 2015, 10:08:49 PM
5th an 6th?
Give him the award
Post by: NDMick on December 30, 2015, 11:24:38 PM
Jets are surprisingly good.
When you hear Duff speak, you can just tell this man is a true football guy.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2015, 11:43:49 PM
Redskins are still bad.
Jets are surprisingly good.
When you hear Duff speak, you can just tell this man is a true football guy.
Despite the Skins being bad, whats happened with Cousins this year is pretty incredible. No idea how much of that credit belongs to the GM though.
The Skins going (probably) 8-8 in the worst division in football, not nearly as impressive.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2015, 11:47:42 PM
Looking at Fitz n Marshall alone
5th an 6th?
Give him the award
Much better than stockpiling picks and bringing in a bunch of stiffs.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 31, 2015, 08:25:56 AM
Not sure if you are serious but this was 3 weeks ago when we were murdering Tennessee. That's Brandon Marshall in the picture...
Hahaha, I meant that we hadn't been in the Top 5 of the Power Rankings since that win over TEN in 2008, not that the pic was from that game.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2015, 08:32:46 AM
Hahaha, I meant that we hadn't been in the Top 5 of the Power Rankings since that win over TEN in 2008, not that the pic was from that game.
Yeah sure you say that now, but we don't believe you.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 31, 2015, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: @PFF
#Jets Eric Decker & #Packers Randall Cobb are only 2 WRs who have been targeted 90+ and their QBs have yet to throw an INT when targeting
Post by: Libero_2 on December 31, 2015, 10:37:13 AM
Probably belongs in the Duff thread butDidn't Tanny win something either in 09 or 10 for that?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/30/scot-mccloughan-in-a-two-man-race-for-nfl-executive-of-the-year/
They think Mac is the front runner for NFL executive of the year.
whens the last time the Jets had a guy like that at the helm
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
That's a really impressive stat.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
That's a really impressive stat.
Fitz and Decker can thank Brandon Marshall for that stat
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Fitz and Decker can thank Brandon Marshall for that stat
Why do you always have to excrement on everything remotely positive?
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
Why do you always have to excrement on everything remotely positive?
Thats not shitting on it.
Decker is very good, Fitz is good. But Marshall is an absolute game changing monster that defenses need to completely gameplan around.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
Thats not shitting on it.
Decker is very good, Fitz is good. But Marshall is an absolute game changing monster that defenses need to completely gameplan around.
Shut up
Post by: guinness77 on December 31, 2015, 01:03:20 PM
Yeah sure you say that now, but we don't believe you.That's classic MBG if I've ever seen it before. ;)
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
Thats not shitting on it.
Decker is very good, Fitz is good. But Marshall is an absolute game changing monster that defenses need to completely gameplan around.
Triple covered on every play.
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 31, 2015, 06:36:07 PM
Post by: Ornstein on January 02, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nScL7lV_tCY
Post by: Libero_2 on January 02, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Not sure if this is been posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nScL7lV_tCY
That was cool nice find. We need Mo to be a dominant force on Sunday to secure this playoff berth
Post by: Ornstein on January 02, 2016, 09:05:57 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 02, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2016, 11:34:55 PM
After watching that I like our chances of signing Mo to a reasonable deal a lot more now. Seems like he really likes living in Jersey close to his family.He'll just end up with the Giants then.
Post by: Ornstein on January 03, 2016, 12:10:19 AM
He'll just end up with the Giants then.
Haha that would be Kareem Mckenzie all over again.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2016, 04:42:55 PM
Woody Johnson, owner of the NYJets, is @JebBush’s finance chairman. If Woody would’ve been w/me, he would’ve been in the playoffs, at least!
Post by: Coach K on January 04, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Woody Johnson, owner of the NYJets, is @JebBush’s finance chairman. If Woody would’ve been w/me, he would’ve been in the playoffs, at least!
That orangutan won't go away
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2016, 06:01:56 PM
That orangutan won't go away
He's going to be president.
Post by: Pope on January 04, 2016, 06:46:12 PM
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2016, 10:48:49 PM
I'm not drawing any conclusion from this and I hope we roll with Folk next year (unless we grab Aguayo) but I just thought it was an unexpected stat.
Post by: insanity on January 05, 2016, 08:50:50 AM
Post by: Coach K on January 05, 2016, 08:52:57 AM
He's going to be president.
Then I hope for an assassination
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
I think Jace Amaro was the biggest miss, but I'm curious what a guy like Antonio Allen would have done for this team. Bowles was known for using safeties in the box as linebackers on passing downs and I'm curious if Allen would have been tasked to play Buchanons role against teams with good tight ends and pass catching rbs.
that was definitely a big loss for us but overall we were very healthy, can't complain about injuries.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2016, 08:57:23 AM
(unless we grab Aguayo)Do itttt
Post by: Miamipuck on January 05, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
Then I hope for an assassination
Reported
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2016, 05:50:36 AM
Post by: Coach K on January 06, 2016, 06:37:18 AM
I'll allow it.
This guy gets it lol
Post by: Miamipuck on January 06, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/mangold.jpg?quality=100&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 06, 2016, 12:23:08 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 06, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
They do and he is, but why is he cheering for the Rags in the first place? He's from Bumblefuck OH, he should be a Jackets fan.
Probably wasn't much of a hockey fan growing up, so just adopted the Rangers as his team since he's lived here for nearly a decade.
Post by: Koz on January 06, 2016, 02:34:18 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 06, 2016, 02:40:10 PM
My buddy is the usher in that section. The entire OL including reserves was there, and Mangold was off his rocker the entire night. Apparently, he pulled this excrement right in front of Dolan but there wasn't much he could do.
Dolan does that to employees. The entire story is probably a damn good one.
Post by: Jumbo on January 08, 2016, 05:58:51 PM
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2016, 11:09:09 PM
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2016, 11:41:37 AM
Word clouds from /r/nyjets
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2016, 11:30:59 PM
http://m.imgur.com/a/B0cXU
Word clouds from /r/nyjets
I'm pissed Geno is the most used term other than Jets.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2016, 07:37:16 PM
Cro's wife is pregnant. With twins. Despite his vasectomy.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2016, 08:26:28 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 12, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Jesus his sperm comes from Krypton.We should really stock up on draft picks between 2028-32 or whenever his kids become eligible.
Post by: Coach K on January 12, 2016, 10:08:31 PM
Jesus his sperm comes from Krypton.
4 honks
Post by: Libero_2 on January 13, 2016, 12:53:10 AM
Jesus his sperm comes from Krypton.
Or, and I'm spitballing here.... She isn't having his kids. If he's banged that many broads (and you know he has) you gotta believe that stepping out on him has occurred to her
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2016, 12:55:45 AM
Or, and I'm spitballing here...
Try not to do this ever again.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2016, 06:11:49 AM
We should really stock up on draft picks between 2028-62 or whenever his kids become eligible.
Fyp
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160121/62692d45b606d75637dbdb4c32765ce4.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2016, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2016, 09:56:47 PM
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2016, 10:37:04 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2016, 10:42:56 PM
Brandon Marshall is on Colbert tonight. Somebody watch it and report back.
I'm on it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 20, 2016, 11:05:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2016, 11:49:38 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 21, 2016, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: @RichCimini
Keeping his eye on the target.
While quoting the following tweet:
Quote from: @KellenWinslowJr
I'm putting my life's work into this comeback. #LoveDaGame #NFL
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2016, 03:33:41 PM
While quoting the following tweet:
I know I'm an idiot, but I don't get what is funny about Cimini's comment? I know he got caught whacking it at a Boston Market, that's about it. Target too?
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 21, 2016, 03:40:15 PM
I know I'm an idiot, but I don't get what is funny about Cimini's comment? I know he got caught whacking it at a Boston Market, that's about it. Target too?
It was a Target parking lot. He claimed he was looking for a Boston Market and got lost. Why that led to him jerking off is still a mystery.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2016, 03:48:13 PM
It was a Target parking lot. He claimed he was looking for a Boston Market and got lost. Why that led to him jerking off is still a mystery.
Ahhh.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2016, 08:00:30 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 22, 2016, 01:36:30 PM
I saw Colbert live two weeks ago. It was pretty cool. My first time watching a late night show live. There was a bit in the beginning (before the show tapes) where the audience gets to ask him questions. Some nerd ask him a LOTR related question and Colbert nailed it. Then I got a shot and asked him where babies come from. His response was hilarious.
I have never had any desire to see a late night show in person. Colbert would be the exception.
I Am America (And So Can You!) is still one of my favorite books.
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
I have never had any desire to see a late night show in person. Colbert would be the exception.
I Am America (And So Can You!) is still one of my favorite books.
Ha. I have that too. Bought it just because of the title.
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 27, 2016, 09:31:53 AM
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jets-to-pay-324-000-to-cheerleaders-to-settle-lawsuit-over-wages-1.1499349?page=all
Now I'm all for equal compensation, but hasn't cheer leading always been kind of a volunteer/internship thing that girls just like to put on their resumes?
All the expenditures they are complaining about are known as business expenses to the rest of us. It's called a tax write off.
If you are unhappy with your compensation, just quit. Go back to Rick's or Scores where you can make good money.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 27, 2016, 12:56:56 PM
Now I'm all for equal compensation, but hasn't cheer leading always been kind of a volunteer/internship thing that girls just like to put on their resumes?
All the expenditures they are complaining about are known as business expenses to the rest of us. It's called a tax write off.
If you are unhappy with your compensation, just quit. Go back to Rick's or Scores where you can make good money.
Same concept as the college athletes making millions (and in some cases billions) of dollars for their university that don't get "anything" aside from 200-300 thousand dollars in free tuition.
In the case of NFL cheerleaders though, I feel like their mandatory hours (counting appearances and other suck stuff) to pay comes out to below minimum wage. Or right at that marker.
Now as you say, don't like the pay get a different job.
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PM
Now I'm all for equal compensation, but hasn't cheer leading always been kind of a volunteer/internship thing that girls just like to put on their resumes?
All the expenditures they are complaining about are known as business expenses to the rest of us. It's called a tax write off.
If you are unhappy with your compensation, just quit. Go back to Rick's or Scores where you can make good money.
Calling it an internship or a volunteer position doesn't just sidestep DoL regulations regarding minimum wage and eligible hours.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 27, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Calling it an internship or a volunteer position doesn't just sidestep DoL regulations regarding minimum wage and eligible hours.
Actually, that is the definition of volunteer and internship work.
Same concept as the college athletes making millions (and in some cases billions) of dollars for their university that don't get "anything" aside from 200-300 thousand dollars in free tuition.
How so? People pay to see the athletes, not the cheer leaders.
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2016, 02:20:44 PM
Actually, that is the definition of volunteer and internship work.
It really isn't. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the Fair Labor Standards Act.
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The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) defines the term “employ” very broadly as including to “suffer or permit to work.” Covered and non-exempt individuals who are “suffered or permitted” to work must be compensated under the law for the services they perform for an employer. Internships in the “for-profit” private sector will most often be viewed as employment, unless the test described below relating to trainees is met. Interns in the “for-profit” private sector who qualify as employees rather than trainees typically must be paid at least the minimum wage and overtime compensation for hours worked over forty in a workweek.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.pdf
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Individuals who volunteer or donate their services, usually on a part-time basis, for public service, religious or humanitarian objectives, not as employees and without contemplation of pay, are not considered employees of the religious, charitable or similar non-profit organizations that receive their service.
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Under the FLSA, employees may not volunteer services to for-profit private sector employers.
http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/whd/flsa/docs/volunteers.asp
Stupid pesky federal laws preventing kind hearted private individuals from giving their time freely to help poor undernourished ailing private sector organisations like football teams.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 27, 2016, 04:49:27 PM
Stupid pesky federal laws preventing kind hearted private individuals from giving their time freely to help poor undernourished ailing private sector organisations like football teams.
Meh. My initial post was more tongue in cheek than anything. My point is that these girls knew what they were getting into.
New Jersey minimum wage is $8.38 per hour. $150 per game at 3 hours is $50 an hour. To be making less than minimum wage would require almost 18 hours of work per game check. There is no way in hell that is happening. My real gripe is they want to be compensated for getting ready and driving to work. I would love the same but I live in the real world.
Post by: Pope on January 27, 2016, 06:24:04 PM
Edit: Mandisa would be considerably cheaper
Edit2: Mandisa is not actually on the flight crew anymore, thank god
Post by: bojanglesman on February 05, 2016, 03:55:07 PM
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Jets and CFL standout LB Freddie Bishop -- who visited 7 NFL teams -- just reached agreement on two-year deal, per source.
Post by: insanity on February 06, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Meh. My initial post was more tongue in cheek than anything. My point is that these girls knew what they were getting into.
New Jersey minimum wage is $8.38 per hour. $150 per game at 3 hours is $50 an hour. To be making less than minimum wage would require almost 18 hours of work per game check. There is no way in hell that is happening. My real gripe is they want to be compensated for getting ready and driving to work. I would love the same but I live in the real world.
If the cheerleading staff (?) is getting them doll'd up that should e considered an hour of work. They can freak off on the traveling thing
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2016, 10:39:53 AM
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 3m3 minutes ago
Jets guard Brian Winters hit performance escalator to raise his 2016 salary to $1.696 million, as @RichCimini reported. #nyj
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 09, 2016, 11:39:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2016, 11:45:45 AM
I wonder what the "escalator" was. "He showed up and continued breathing throughout the entire 16 game schedule."I believe it was playing time based on being a 3rd round or later pick.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2016, 12:12:18 PM
I don't think we're going to have any new starters on the OL in 2016. A tackle should be drafted at some point to sit behind Ferguson and Giacomini.
Post by: Pope on February 09, 2016, 01:06:33 PM
Brian Winters steadily improved over this season. If he can become a solid starter, that's one less hole to fill.That's what I was thinking. There is no glaring hole outside of future LT and C. There is definitely room for upgrade at G and RT but I'd prefer consistency/cohesion vs plug and play in free agency
I don't think we're going to have any new starters on the OL in 2016. A tackle should be drafted at some point to sit behind Ferguson and Giacomini.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2016, 07:41:49 PM
Brian Winters steadily improved over this season. If he can become a solid starter, that's one less hole to fill.
I don't think we're going to have any new starters on the OL in 2016. A tackle should be drafted at some point to sit behind Ferguson and Giacomini.
Ferguson and maybe Mangolds willingness to restructure could be a huge determinant of the OLs continuity
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 10, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2016, 09:02:39 AM
I agree about Ferguson. $9M in cap savings is nothing to sneeze at if they think they can draft/sign someone. I still think Ferguson comes back, partly because I don't think the Jets want to see him in Buffalo (Rex) or Miami (Tanny) next season.
I don't think the Jets can draft anyone that can play better in 2016 than Ferguson will. He isn't what he used to be, but he's OK.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 10, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
I don't think the Jets can draft anyone that can play better in 2016 than Ferguson will. He isn't what he used to be, but he's OK.I agree, but I have to think the Jets ask him to take a pay cut.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2016, 12:58:48 PM
I don't think we'll take a lineman in the first, but I won't be shocked if Jack Conklin is someone that interests us at 20.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2016, 08:48:37 PM
Please click.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2016, 09:02:18 PM
https://t.co/JIlNfbXiuG
Please click.
I know the second one is our future franchise QB, but who's the first one?
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2016, 09:05:02 PM
I know the second one is our future franchise QB, but who's the first one?
Looks like Milliner
Post by: casman02 on February 16, 2016, 09:06:12 PM
I know the second one is our future franchise QB, but who's the first one?
Devin Smith. I am guessing it was at the rookie trading card thing
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2016, 05:16:52 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 29, 2016, 05:28:21 PM
My sister said that Dexter McDougal messaged one of her sorority sisters just now
Sounds like your sisters sorority is a bunch of whores
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2016, 05:38:15 PM
Sounds like your sisters sorority is a bunch of whoresYea probably
Post by: Miamipuck on February 29, 2016, 11:15:25 PM
Yea probably
What's their phone number?
Post by: Pope on March 01, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
What's their phone number?911
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 03, 2016, 03:00:54 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 11, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 11, 2016, 02:57:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdSwCvjUEAEuyg8.jpg)
Good stat. Good thing for all those well placed 8-8s.
Post by: NDMick on March 11, 2016, 03:39:20 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 11, 2016, 06:50:47 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2016, 12:16:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59089/jets-2012-draft-eight-picks-all-goners-a-scouting-nightmare
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2016, 07:35:27 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59127/jets-have-ammunition-to-be-major-offseason-players-in-2017
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2016, 07:36:48 AM
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Slow Eric Allen: Bowles on 4-3 in 16: We played some 4-3 last year. You mix & match depending on who we play & how we play them & who’s better for that game.
At least someone asked this. Generic answer.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Bowles said Sheldon Richardson will be back inside this year. No more outside linebacker. #nyj
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 22, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
There's a half-full glass view on those stats, we have been decent in general. The thing is that we haven't got the breaks needed to get to a SB, in games and in personnel selection. If Belichick had stayed, if Favre didn't get injured, if we stopped the Steelers in that 3rd and 6, if Doug Brien didn't miss that field goal, and so on.
I think having the Patriots with a 15-year dynasty in our division is a major factor. We can't even get a home game in the playoffs let alone a bye, so even when we have a good year and make the playoffs we have the toughest possible road.
Post by: ons on March 28, 2016, 05:26:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nUi2NMF.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2016, 07:33:47 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2016, 09:11:14 AM
Jets have drafted the most QBs since 1999:
(https://i.imgur.com/nUi2NMF.jpg)
And the Patriots have drafted one fewer despite having their franchise QB for almost the entire period. Superficially it seems like it should be an interesting stat but in reality I think it tells us nothing.
Post by: Tommy on March 28, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
And the Patriots have drafted one fewer despite having their franchise QB for almost the entire period. Superficially it seems like it should be an interesting stat but in reality I think it tells us nothing.
They should redo it and rank by QBs drafted in rounds 1 and 2.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2016, 11:55:12 AM
And the Patriots have drafted one fewer despite having their franchise QB for almost the entire period. Superficially it seems like it should be an interesting stat but in reality I think it tells us nothing.
Agreed. I think the ranking that shows the number of starting QBs over a range of years is more telling.
Post by: Pope on March 28, 2016, 01:35:06 PM
Post by: Cane on March 31, 2016, 06:46:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2016, 10:47:22 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 31, 2016, 11:48:27 AM
Fun fact found by looking into the chart: the Chiefs have drafted only three first round QBs in 56 years of existence, and one in the past 36 years (1983).
Todd Blackledge, Penn State.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 06, 2016, 11:48:38 AM
http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/04/06/film-review-calvin-pryor-is-one-of-nfls-top-young-strong-safeties/
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 06, 2016, 01:49:05 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 06, 2016, 02:16:34 PM
I scrolled past all the tweets, but Demario Davis basically blamed the media for building him up to tear him down here. He also said that his setting a high standard led to people thinking he struggled and that he only got burned three times last season. Enjoy him Cleveland.
Huh, he was terribad in coverage and had his playing time reduced substantially. It was not just the media, it was the coaching staff and front office that said, "buh bye". I wish players would just move on and not be so disingenuous about things. The media didn't get anyone cut, if they did, the front office and coaching staff are freaking morons. I don't think this FO/cs are that stupid at all, the prior one, maybe.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 06, 2016, 02:24:59 PM
Huh, he was terribad in coverage and had his playing time reduced substantially. It was not just the media, it was the coaching staff and front office that said, "buh bye". I wish players would just move on and not be so disingenuous about things. The media didn't get anyone cut, if they did, the front office and coaching staff are freaking morons. I don't think this FO/cs are that stupid at all, the prior one, maybe.
I don't even think the prior regime is that stupid. Stupid yes, but not that stupid.
Davis is a clown. He stunk and can't just let it go and move on.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2016, 02:32:47 PM
I don't even think the prior regime is that stupid. Stupid yes, but not that stupid.
Davis is a clown. He stunk and can't just let it go and move on.
He wasn't terrible, he just wasn't good.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2016, 08:11:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2016, 08:12:46 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 06, 2016, 08:48:29 PM
Davis got replaced by a player who was out of the league for a year, and then only managed to get a 2 year 3 million dollar contract after his "redemption" year.
Was he hyped absolutely but he got flat out replaced by a not good player.
That speaks volumes
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 07, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2016, 01:06:28 PM
Jets WR Brandon Marshall won the civil case against him today #NYJ
I don't know what this is but it is presumably good news.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2016, 01:10:44 PM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 3m3 minutes ago
Jets WR Brandon Marshall won the civil case against him today #NYJ
I don't know what this is but it is presumably good news.
Nothing really, from all the evidence it should have been Marshall and his wife suing, not the other way around.
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
Nothing really, from all the evidence it should have been Marshall and his wife suing, not the other way around.
Right, the thing with his wife getting hit by a bottle.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2016, 02:06:39 PM
This is very good for the Jets (and Marshall). There were a lot of people who said he should've just settled out of court, but that (or the jury finding against him) could've resulted in discipline from the league. Instead, his innocence was "proven" and he shouldn't have to face anything from Goodell.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2016, 02:37:23 PM
Right, the thing with his wife getting hit by a bottle.
Just think how fun this country would be if you can hit someone in the face with a beer bottle, sue them, and win money.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2016, 02:51:46 PM
One of the jurors was asked if the decision was even close and they responded "No." The woman suing claimed Marshall punched her but the jury said that while it looked like Marshall may have thrown a punch there was absolutely no proof that he punched the plaintiff.
This is very good for the Jets (and Marshall). There were a lot of people who said he should've just settled out of court, but that (or the jury finding against him) could've resulted in discipline from the league. Instead, his innocence was "proven" and he shouldn't have to face anything from Goodell.
I thought this was a civil suit, not criminal. Even if he were found to have punched her, it's just for damages, not a conviction, right?
Post by: Miamipuck on April 08, 2016, 03:05:50 PM
I thought this was a civil suit, not criminal. Even if he were found to have punched her, it's just for damages, not a conviction, right?
Yes it was civil, where the burden of proof is significantly less and Marshall still won. It was frivolous from all that I was reading.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2016, 03:15:29 PM
I thought this was a civil suit, not criminal. Even if he were found to have punched her, it's just for damages, not a conviction, right?
Yes, but the league could still have imposed punishment had the jury found guilt. Guilt in this case causing Marshall to pay restitution, but it would still be guilt for an act and could've led to league punishment.
Post by: Johnny English on April 11, 2016, 08:32:43 AM
Time to hang up the cleats! Thank you so much #Jets and #ChiefsKingdom for always having my back!
http://thedrive.bangordailynews.com/2016/04/11/sports/111/
Post by: Koz on April 11, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
Michael DeVito @MikeDeVito70
Time to hang up the cleats! Thank you so much #Jets and #ChiefsKingdom for always having my back!
http://thedrive.bangordailynews.com/2016/04/11/sports/111/
He had a nice run. Scrappy, blue-chip tier 2 guy who filled a need for us.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 11, 2016, 10:14:38 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2016, 11:14:15 AM
scrappy
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2815245789/1a50aec9c3e855f48772f85234514d4c.jpeg)
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2016, 11:46:23 AM
Post by: Jumbo on April 11, 2016, 11:46:58 AM
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2016, 05:39:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgVsmI4WcAA8DPr.jpg)
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2016, 05:42:32 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 18, 2016, 06:13:54 PM
Kevin Mawae, Like A Boss. (https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/722096557231882240)
Haha awesome
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
Mauldin and Revis, showing up to workout at 6 AM.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgVsmI4WcAA8DPr.jpg)
Bullshit, it's not that sunny at 6 AM yet. That's 6:30 at best.
Post by: Pope on April 18, 2016, 10:25:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 18, 2016, 10:43:43 PM
Post by: Cane on April 19, 2016, 04:30:41 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 19, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Revis apparently has a ballet recital first, so I'm glad he got in early.
hahaha 4 honks
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
Holy excrement it lists the Seahwaks @ 21. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahah
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15414561/ranking-best-worst-drafting-teams-round-1-carolina-panthers-houston-texans-top-list (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15414561/ranking-best-worst-drafting-teams-round-1-carolina-panthers-houston-texans-top-list)
Post by: Koz on April 28, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Post by: Pope on April 28, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2016, 09:31:50 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 06, 2016, 09:54:05 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2016, 11:03:44 AM
I also wouldn't have given up anything more than the 1 and the 2 that we offered.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 06, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
Post by: reuben on May 11, 2016, 05:58:28 PM
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2016, 06:44:46 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFROItOLeKk/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFROItOLeKk/)
I've never seen Bohanon look so at home.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 27, 2016, 09:36:26 AM
He would be a huge freaking bust if we had to cut him in the third year
Post by: Tommy on May 27, 2016, 09:42:05 AM
Bowles has said Amaro is on the roster bubble.
He would be a huge freaking bust if we had to cut him in the third year
He hasn't really been given a fair chance. He had to play a full year with Geno under a excrement offense, and was hurt last year.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2016, 10:04:20 AM
Bowles has said Amaro is on the roster bubble.
He would be a huge freaking bust if we had to cut him in the third year
Bowles never said he was on the bubble. Those were rotoworld's words. He said he is competing for a position. Bubble means he is on the verge on being cut.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 27, 2016, 10:29:22 AM
If Amaro can't do enough to assure he's not on the bubble in August, he should be cut.
Post by: Pope on May 27, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 27, 2016, 11:15:56 AM
No way he gets cut. He was injured last year and looked decent as a rookie in a excrement offense. Our TE position is excrement as it is. Just doesn't make sense
You would hope not. My point was: if he sucks enough that he's even truly on the bubble in August, he'll deserve to lose his job. I doubt anyone, including the coaching staff and front office, wants to see that.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2016, 04:54:28 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/0e866f1f6a2c7429e05773c0b9531cdc.jpg)
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 02, 2016, 05:04:00 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 02, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
Jets new beat reporter is hawt.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/0e866f1f6a2c7429e05773c0b9531cdc.jpg)
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Think she does 13 year olds?
Post by: JFIF on June 02, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
Think she does 13 year olds?
how fast is their 40 time?
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2016, 01:21:18 PM
Nsfw: /r/jennkaelin
Post by: Tommy on June 04, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160604/356a7bf1f4c8f434ff426b07b3d409ce.jpg)
Nsfw: /r/jennkaelin
I own the same pajama pants.
Post by: Miamipuck on June 04, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
I own the same pajama pants.My ex has 2 pairs. lol
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
I own the same pajama pants.
I'm willing to bet your derriere looks nothing like that in them.
Post by: Tommy on June 04, 2016, 08:06:34 PM
I'm willing to bet your derriere looks nothing like that in them.
They don't, but I can wear them and send you a photo of me in a similar position just to be sure, if that's what you're suggesting.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2016, 08:32:28 PM
They don't, but I can wear them and send you a photo of me in a similar position just to be sure, if that's what you're suggesting.Yes. Yes I am.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 09, 2016, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: @SiriusXMNFL
.@corryjoel on #Jets Word is starting to get around among agents and players that the Jets are difficult to deal with
I've been saying this for a long time now. This regime hasn't appeared much different from Idzik's in terms of negotiations (apart from throwing handfuls of cash at Revis).
It's one thing to not want to give a journeyman QB (who incidentally led your franchise's best offense ever) ridiculous money, but when you have had 2+ years to work something out with one of your defense's best players, you tag him, and despite needing to sign him long-term to make the cap work you can neither get a contract done nor a trade? That's a problem.
Let's also not discount that our starting left tackle quit the game rather than take a steep paycut.
I'm sure someone will start a dogpile trying defend the Jets and telling me how wrong I am, but where there's smoke there's fire. This is a team willing to cut its nose to spite its face by going into the season with Geno Smith as the starting QB--despite the guy who should be here talking to his wide receivers daily and publicly stating he wants to return.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 09, 2016, 09:07:46 AM
I've been saying this for a long time now. This regime hasn't appeared much different from Idzik's in terms of negotiations (apart from throwing handfuls of cash at Revis).
It's one thing to not want to give a journeyman QB (who incidentally led your franchise's best offense ever) ridiculous money, but when you have had 2+ years to work something out with one of your defense's best players, you tag him, and despite needing to sign him long-term to make the cap work you can neither get a contract done nor a trade? That's a problem.
Let's also not discount that our starting left tackle quit the game rather than take a steep paycut.
I'm sure someone will start a dogpile trying defend the Jets and telling me how wrong I am, but where there's smoke there's fire. This is a team willing to cut its nose to spite its face by going into the season with Geno Smith as the starting QB--despite the guy who should be here talking to his wide receivers daily and publicly stating he wants to return.
I have no problem with this regime sticking to their guns as opposed to having someone like Trader Tanny destroying our cap and trading away draft picks.
I agree that Fitz is our best option. Just because Philly was dumb enough to give Bradford ridiculous money, doesn't mean we should follow suit with Fitz.
Post by: Tommy on June 09, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 09, 2016, 09:31:49 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this is coming from a certain agent of a certain QB we haven't signed yet.
Or the agent of a certain defensive lineman who has been patiently waiting for his money for a few years.
Or both.
Again, smoke-->fire.
I have no problem with this regime sticking to their guns as opposed to having someone like Trader Tanny destroying our cap and trading away draft picks.
I agree that Fitz is our best option. Just because Philly was dumb enough to give Bradford ridiculous money, doesn't mean we should follow suit with Fitz.
Again, I've no problem with not giving Fitz a Bradford deal. He's not worth that kind of money. The problem is that there has been--and is now growing again--a perception that the Jets are difficult to deal with. That has little bearing on today, but could be a problem in the future.
It's easy to point a finger at one situation and say "It's that guy making a lot of noise" but we're currently mired in two.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
This whole thing sort of reminds me of when I was a kid shopping with my dad. He'd try to negotiate his way down something that I really wanted, and when I felt that he was ready to walk away, I'd freak and say "oh come on! Just buy it! I want it now!" The salesperson smirked and my dad was pissed, obviously. The Jets are my dad, and the fans were me at The Wiz. It's a negotiation. Not supposed to be easy. But as fans we have the tendency to just scream out "just fuckn sign him already!" We want it now.
Tommy's on point. The same people would be bitching at Duff if we paid him Bradford money and he threw 2 INTs in a game. Good agents leverage everything in their power to get the best price for their client, as they should. That includes time, rumors, and empty threats. Until an ultimate deadline is decided, both sides are going to sit and wait. The only thing I can imagine might change things would be if Nick Foles gets released and the Jets bring him in and start looking interested (whether they are or not). Geno Smith isn't really inciting any fear in the Fitz camp, but who knows about the unknown guy.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
Or the agent of a certain defensive lineman who has been patiently waiting for his money for a few years.
Or both.
Again, smoke-->fire.
Again, I've no problem with not giving Fitz a Bradford deal. He's not worth that kind of money. The problem is that there has been--and is now growing again--a perception that the Jets are difficult to deal with. That has little bearing on today, but could be a problem in the future.
It's easy to point a finger at one situation and say "It's that guy making a lot of noise" but we're currently mired in two.
What difference does it make? Let agents think that. It hasn't stopped us from signing free agents when the price was right. Money talks. If the Jets offer the right amount, players will sign. If they don't, that's the Jets' choice in not offering enough to get the deal done. It's not like some player is going to take less money to go to another team because the Jets are "hard to deal with".
Fans can talk about "paying the man" all they want and signing Mo because he deserves it, but the fact is that none of us know what Mo is asking or what the Jets are offering. It's ignorant to be mad at the Jets until you know all the facts. Mo might be asking to be the highest paid defensive player in football or something stupid like that. He might be asking for a reasonable amount and the Jets are being cheap. We don't know.
If a player and agent understand that the market and rules determine their worth, they will understand that they are just in an unfortunate scenario. Fitz doesn't have anywhere near a better offer anywhere else and once we signed Leonard Williams, Mo became a piece that wasn't 100% necessary for the Jets running a 3-4 scheme.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 09, 2016, 09:53:31 AM
What difference does it make? Let agents think that. It hasn't stopped us from signing free agents when the price was right. Money talks. If the Jets offer the right amount, players will sign. If they don't, that's the Jets' choice in not offering enough to get the deal done. It's not like some player is going to take less money to go to another team because the Jets are "hard to deal with".
Fans can talk about "paying the man" all they want and signing Mo because he deserves it, but the fact is that none of us know what Mo is asking or what the Jets are offering. It's ignorant to be mad at the Jets until you know all the facts. Mo might be asking to be the highest paid defensive player in football or something stupid like that. He might be asking for a reasonable amount and the Jets are being cheap. We don't know.
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2016, 09:59:50 AM
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
If Trader Mike is throwing out money, that's where they are going anyway. If the Jets show interest and make a good enough offer, they will get the deal done. If they don't, they won't. Simple as that. No, I don't think an agent will skip the Jets altogether just because they may have a reputation of being tough to deal with (and we don't know that). There may be other reasons to skip them (not a good fit personnel-wise, doesn't run the right offensive or defensive scheme for a fit, etc)
Post by: Tommy on June 09, 2016, 10:00:54 AM
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
Except in Fitz's case there is no Trader Mike out there willing to throw money at him.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2016, 10:02:20 AM
Except in Fitz's case there is no Trader Mike out there willing to throw money at him.
Yep, and Mo isn't the first victim of franchise tag rules that favor owners.
Our own players aren't going to scoff at re-signing with the Jets because they are difficult. They have a choice to make just like every player. Mo can take what is being offered or play on the tag. No one is forcing him to do anything.
The fact is that his biggest deterrent to the Jets keeping him is Leonard Williams.
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 09, 2016, 10:19:02 AM
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
If the team is successful people will want to play here. We have the best example of that shitting on our division title chances every year. The pats are stingy with money and belichick doesn't give a freak if there is 80 feet of snow on the ground you better be in the building on time. They win so everyone wants to play there anyway.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 09, 2016, 10:49:27 AM
If the team is successful people will want to play here. We have the best example of that shitting on our division title chances every year. The pats are stingy with money and belichick doesn't give a freak if there is 80 feet of snow on the ground you better be in the building on time. They win so everyone wants to play there anyway.
Because they already have an established program of winning.
Remember when Mangini tried to run the Jets like the Patriots and people were like "Assclown, you're not the Patriots. Cut your excrement."
You don't get to act like you're a top-tier organization when you haven't been to the playoffs in years.
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 09, 2016, 03:54:30 PM
Because they already have an established program of winning.
Remember when Mangini tried to run the Jets like the Patriots and people were like "Assclown, you're not the Patriots. Cut your excrement."
You don't get to act like you're a top-tier organization when you haven't been to the playoffs in years.
Seems like a chicken or the egg argument brewing. My opinion is you have to be running the team well before the regular winning comes.
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2016, 06:03:42 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4p0eoz/the_last_time_every_team_had_consecutive_losing/
Post by: Tommy on June 20, 2016, 06:37:54 PM
This surprised me a little.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4p0eoz/the_last_time_every_team_had_consecutive_losing/
The Broncos. Wow that's impressive.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 21, 2016, 07:22:25 AM
Post by: guinness77 on June 21, 2016, 07:55:23 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 21, 2016, 11:22:09 AM
I think it's been said on here before that the Jets have a bunch of 8-8 seasons after losing seasons that keep them up high on that list.
It has been said. We've also had four seasons where we were over 500 and missed the playoffs, three times at 9-7 and last year at 10-6.
Post by: Tommy on June 21, 2016, 02:13:52 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 21, 2016, 02:16:15 PM
Still crazy to me that you can go 10-6 and miss the playoffs.
....while Carolina won their division the previous season with a 7-8-1 record. Stupid AFC is rigged.
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 21, 2016, 02:25:08 PM
Still crazy to me that you can go 10-6 and miss the playoffs.
New England went 11-5 and missed it the year Brady got injured. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.
Post by: Miamipuck on June 21, 2016, 02:47:17 PM
New England went 11-5 and missed it the year Brady got injured. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of gays.
fixed
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2016, 11:13:05 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81dbb13b/GameDay-Jets-vs-Patriots
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 08, 2016, 10:57:14 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on August 08, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Eric Allen said on Twitter that the Jets will not wear the Titans jerseys this season. Hallelujah
This will just encourage Koz to rock that rag to the tailgate
Post by: Tommy on August 08, 2016, 11:09:59 AM
Eric Allen said on Twitter that the Jets will not wear the Titans jerseys this season. Hallelujah
Thank God. If anything they should play a game in the old 80s/90s outfit. At least people care about and remember that excrement.
Post by: Koz on August 08, 2016, 11:12:35 AM
This will just encourage Koz to rock that rag to the tailgate
I will take it out of its glass case, and make sure to look for the other guy in the stadium wearing the same.
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2016, 11:32:28 AM
Thank God. If anything they should play a game in the old 80s/90s outfit. At least people care about and remember that excrement.
The kelly green? I love that colour but it's probably a bit too close to the Color Rush stuff that Nike are trying to push to be able to use it as a throwback.
Post by: Tommy on August 08, 2016, 11:50:43 AM
The kelly green? I love that colour but it's probably a bit too close to the Color Rush stuff that Nike are trying to push to be able to use it as a throwback.
Was referring to the logo and design more than the color itself.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 08, 2016, 02:18:11 PM
I will take it out of its glass case, and make sure to look for the other guy in the stadium wearing the same.
Wear it proudly those jerseys are awesome.
Post by: Pope on August 11, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2016, 09:24:07 PM
https://imgur.com/v6NwDGc
hahahahaha
Post by: Tommy on August 12, 2016, 09:38:25 PM
No one seems to recognize Revis on the train. Pretty funny.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2016, 11:36:57 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/b43da62ea56e0bbd106e52dacf47d5b0.jpg)
No one seems to recognize Revis on the train. Pretty funny.
Is he the chick with the red hair?
Post by: Jumbo on August 13, 2016, 04:33:46 AM
Is he the chick with the red hair?
No that's Puck in disguise
Post by: Miamipuck on August 13, 2016, 06:14:00 AM
No that's Puck in disguise
I wouldn't disguise myself as Tommy.
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
Post by: Pope on August 13, 2016, 07:43:50 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 13, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 16, 2016, 08:07:48 AM
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With Breno Giacomini (back) banged up, the Jets have been looking at right tackles while they evaluate their in-house options, Ben Ijalana and Brent Qvale. One team to watch is the San Francisco 49ers. Trent Brown started the preseason opener, but former starter Anthony Davis, who came out of retirement before camp at the age of 26, hopes to get his old job back. Davis is a former first-round pick out of Rutgers, a well-regarded player before he walked away after the 2014 season. It means the 49ers have good depth at the position, prompting the question: Could one of their right tackles become available? Perhaps not coincidentally, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan attended the 49ers-Houston Texans game on Sunday night in San Francisco, according to the stadium's press-box seating chart.
Dude is freaking huge. 6'8" 360 lbs. (4.18frty time12 foot highjump almost az elite as Chaz Shilenz jamarcus will get him the ball 34 time a game)
From what I've read, he played pretty well at the end of last year, but he isn't the most athletic guy at the position and that is a huge deal with upbeat Chip Kelly offenses. He might be a guy Duff could pick up if he's interested. Who knows. Maybe we could convince them to take Geno for him. Or anyone on their team. Backup waterboy, team fluffer.......
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 16, 2016, 01:47:10 PM
As for our Week 2 opponent, Buffalo is now missing Dareus, Lawson and Ragland for our Week 2 game.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
If Davis is available, and he's still healthy and good, he's definitely worth looking at. Have to think he'll cost a draft pick of some sort.
As for our Week 2 opponent, Buffalo is now missing Dareus, Lawson and Ragland for our Week 2 game.
McCoy still has plenty of time to injure himself before then too
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2016, 01:55:48 PM
McCoy still has plenty of time to injure himself before then too
Or get himself arrested.
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2016, 06:51:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 25, 2016, 06:58:51 AM
Apparently our Madden rating sucks.
I play Madden, I freaking love Madden. They would do me like that? Oh my God. That is an insult, like why would you do that to me? How much I love y’all. Like what? Not John Madden, because I love him. It’s the developers.
Post by: Pope on August 25, 2016, 07:42:36 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2016, 07:43:27 AM
Jets retired LB Ralph Baker turned 74 today
Ha, dick.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2016, 07:59:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2016, 11:38:19 AM
He's no rocket surgeon, but I don't see any harm in stashing his dumb derriere to see if he can build on last year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 25, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
I play Madden, I freaking love Madden. They would do me like that? Oh my God. That is an insult, like why would you do that to me? How much I love y’all. Like what? Not John Madden, because I love him. It’s the developers.Shut up, Dez.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 25, 2016, 12:28:30 PM
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/62460/free-agent-rb-karlos-williams-id-like-to-fly-with-the-jets-baby
He's no rocket surgeon, but I don't see any harm in stashing his dumb derriere to see if he can build on last year.
So does a rocket surgeon operate on rockets? Does a rocket surgeon use rockets to operate on people? Does a rocket surgeon get rocketed into space to operate on astronauts? Does a rocket surgeon get rocketed to different hospitals to operate?
There's so many possibilities here, I would like to know........
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2016, 12:50:38 PM
So does a rocket surgeon operate on rockets? Does a rocket surgeon use rockets to operate on people? Does a rocket surgeon get rocketed into space to operate on astronauts? Does a rocket surgeon get rocketed to different hospitals to operate?Eleventeen
There's so many possibilities here, I would like to know........
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2016, 10:52:39 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Jets/videos/10153718876016231/
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2016, 11:43:53 AM
Problem is they're freaking idiots and attacking the one on our team
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2016, 11:52:29 AM
Tons of people are attacking Brandon Marshall on Twitter for not standing during the national anthem
Problem is they're freaking idiots and attacking the one on our team
I'm sure he's extremely upset about the views of @PatriotByGod, who goes by the screen name of GodGuns&Trump.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/fans-lash-out-at-jets-brandon-marshall-over-other-marshalls-protest-012353214.html
One more supporting argument for my voting restriction proposal.
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2016, 11:28:58 AM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/09/do_jets_playoff_hopes_hinge_on_thursdays_game_vs_b.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Normally I quite like Connor Hughes, but in this case STFU.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/09/do_jets_playoff_hopes_hinge_on_thursdays_game_vs_b.html
That isn't a bad article. It's actually pretty spot-on. This is as close to a "can't lose" game as you can get in September.
The Jets are playing playoff caliber football for the next month-plus after this Thursday. If they want to play them in the winter they'll have to manage a win or two now.
Post by: Tommy on September 12, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
Then again if we freak up then it's obvious were not a playoff team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2016, 12:17:19 PM
In a way this tough schedule can be a good thing if we manage to split the first 6 games. What better way to prep the team for he rest of the season and beyond?
Then again if we freak up then it's obvious were not a playoff team.
That's actually a good point and goes back to something I was saying back when the schedule came out. If they can't beat these teams in the early part of the season, what would make us think they'd have any shot in the playoffs against them?
It just sucks that there are so many really tough games so early. If they get off to a rough start it's almost impossible to recover.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 12, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
That's actually a good point and goes back to something I was saying back when the schedule came out. If they can't beat these teams in the early part of the season, what would make us think they'd have any shot in the playoffs against them?
It just sucks that there are so many really tough games so early. If they get off to a rough start it's almost impossible to recover.
We lost 45-3 to New England in 2011 and then kicked them out of the playoffs. I like Connor as well, this time he just wanted clicks.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 12, 2016, 12:41:52 PM
That's actually a good point and goes back to something I was saying back when the schedule came out. If they can't beat these teams in the early part of the season, what would make us think they'd have any shot in the playoffs against them?
It just sucks that there are so many really tough games so early. If they get off to a rough start it's almost impossible to recover.
We lost 45-3 to New England in 2011 and then kicked them out of the playoffs. I like Connor as well, this time he just wanted clicks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2016, 01:31:54 PM
We lost 45-3 to New England in 2011 and then kicked them out of the playoffs. I like Connor as well, this time he just wanted clicks.
That's not really the point.
Losing one game and then going on to beat that same team later is one thing. We're talking about 2 months of playoff teams (apart from this week's Bills game). His point was that historically, teams that start 0-2 have a tough time making the playoffs. The Jets then add a really rough schedule immediately following it where they could end up starting 0-7 which would be near-insurmountable.
Again, it really comes down to this week being as close to a "must win" as it gets in September. I don't think it was clickbait.
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2016, 01:37:16 PM
That's not really the point.
Losing one game and then going on to beat that same team later is one thing. We're talking about 2 months of playoff teams (apart from this week's Bills game). His point was that historically, teams that start 0-2 have a tough time making the playoffs. The Jets then add a really rough schedule immediately following it where they could end up starting 0-7 which would be near-insurmountable.
Again, it really comes down to this week being as close to a "must win" as it gets in September. I don't think it was clickbait.
Of course it was. Teams that start 0-2 historically have a tough time making the playoffs not because 0-2 is some kind of insurmountable hurdle with only 14 games remaining, it's because they're usually not very good teams. Without context of the standard of opposition it's a meaningless stat, and with that context 0-2 for the Jets this season would be neither insurmountable nor even wholly unpredictable. We always knew that this was a tough start to a tough schedule and the historic stats have no bearing on the likelihood of our making the postseason, the entire premise of the article is garbage. There's no such thing as a week 2 must win game or anything close.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
Of course it was. Teams that start 0-2 historically have a tough time making the playoffs not because 0-2 is some kind of insurmountable hurdle with only 14 games remaining, it's because they're usually not very good teams. Without context of the standard of opposition it's a meaningless stat, and with that context 0-2 for the Jets this season would be neither insurmountable nor even wholly unpredictable. We always knew that this was a tough start to a tough schedule and the historic stats have no bearing on the likelihood of our making the postseason, the entire premise of the article is garbage. There's no such thing as a week 2 must win game or anything close.
Well, then I don't know what to say other than we disagree.
Post by: NDMick on September 12, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2016, 02:20:54 PM
It's a 1/11 chance to make the playoffs if they go 0-2.
That's not true though, because making the playoffs isn't a randomised event dependent entirely upon chance.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2016, 02:29:03 PM
That's not true though, because making the playoffs isn't a randomised event dependent entirely upon chance.
You're right, if we start 0-2 our odds are probably worse given the makeup of our schedule.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2016, 02:32:04 PM
We lost 45-3 to New England in 2011 and then kicked them out of the playoffs. I like Connor as well, this time he just wanted clicks.2010
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2016, 02:39:03 PM
You're right, if we start 0-2 our odds are probably worse given the makeup of our schedule.
That may be, but a) those odds are predicated on the strength of our schedule and not the past results of teams starting 0-2, and b) if we start 1-1 those odds don't change significantly because the likely outcomes of the remaining 14 games are unaffected.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2016, 04:09:23 PM
Of course the Jets playoff odds are lower with a loss. He put the stats to back that up. Considering this is a divisional game, and the easiest early-season game we have, it becomes even more imperative that we win. Plus, I think we need to get over the mental hurdle of Buffalo, since they've crushed our souls the last two seasons.
That said, JE is right that teams that start 0-2 are typically worse teams, so there's not a total causation.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 13, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2016, 06:16:11 PM
I don't know why people are giving this guy excrement instead of Trent Dilfer who said our week 1 game was must win.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2016, 06:55:21 PM
I don't know why people are giving this guy excrement instead of Trent Dilfer who said our week 1 game was must win.
Because I didn't hear Dilfer say that, obviously that's even more stupid.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 13, 2016, 07:10:01 PM
Because I didn't hear Dilfer say that, obviously that's even more stupid.Is it really? I think Pitt wins the north and the Pats win the east is a fairly common consensus. We could be tied with the Bengals for a wild card. That game was basically 2 losses if we dont win the east.
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Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Is it really? I think Pitt wins the north and the Pats win the east is a fairly common consensus. We could be tied with the Bengals for a wild card. That game was basically 2 losses if we dont win the east.
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Concensus amongst whom? A million and one things could happen. Roethlisberger could get caught banging a 13 year old. Brady could fall down the stairs. Fitz could get injured and Geno Smith become the second coming of Steve Young (all right, that's maybe pushing it). We need to try and win every game we play but a week 1 game is not, never has been and never will be in any way, shape or form a "must win".
Post by: dcm1602 on September 13, 2016, 07:40:31 PM
But considering that the following 4 games are against really freaking good teams that went a combined 44-20 last year, I think this game is extremely important.
It's a winnable game against some low hanging fruit before a painful stretch of games
Obviously anything can happen, but if we lose to the Bills, then what makes you think we're gonna be able to take on tbe Steelers Cardinals Seahawks and Chiefs.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2016, 10:26:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2016, 11:32:04 PM
Regardless, this last page or so is a meaningless freaking argument, my post included.
Agreed, the Jets must win this game.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2016, 09:12:21 AM
Agreed, the Jets must win this game.
This post is correct.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2016, 10:41:33 AM
This post is correct.
Well, at least if we don't we know that we can not bother watching the remaining 14 as they're clearly pointless.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2016, 10:52:02 AM
Well, at least if we don't we know that we can not bother watching the remaining 14 as they're clearly pointless.
Incorrect.
As Jets fans we are obligated and compelled to tune in just to maintain the proper consistent level of misery.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
Incorrect.
As Jets fans we are obligated and compelled to tune in just to maintain the proper consistent level of misery.
OK, but given tomorrow is a "must win" game, we're agreed that if we lose it then the season is over, right?
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2016, 11:17:42 AM
OK, but given tomorrow is a "must win" game, we're agreed that if we lose it then the season is over, right?
Given that we're actually having the conversation rather than not being smartasses, I'd disagree with that.
If the Jets lose tomorrow, it makes it a much harder climb to make the playoffs. Not because a game in September has any more importance than a game in December. I'm of the school of thought that every single game is just as important as every other.
The problem is, given the schedule the Jets are faced with, if they lose to the Bills tomorrow night, it's going to be extremely difficult to make the playoffs. With a loss in both of the first two games, they'd stand a very realistic chance of starting the season 0-7. They could be 3-7 by the bye but then facing the Pats and Colts in consecutive prime time games.
That's significantly different than had they won Sunday and wound up 2-5 heading to Cleveland where they could wind up being 5-5 at the bye.
In the 5 games after the Bills, the only games I feel like they have a realistic shot are home against Seattle, at Arizona, and home against the Ravens. Those are no cakewalks though and facing the Seahawks at 0-3 isn't going to give me any sort of confidence they won't be 0-4.
The season wouldn't be "over" but it would be ridiculously hard from there. That makes it a "must win" game.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2016, 11:23:30 AM
With a loss in both of the first two games, they'd stand a very realistic chance of starting the season 0-7.
See, this is my problem. It's complete horseshit.
The Chiefs came very close to losing at Arrowhead to the Chargers, who are widely expected to be picking top three again.
Seattle struggled mightily against the Dolphins, who are a popular choice for a top five pick.
The Steelers are good but their secondary is garbage and their line is suspect.
The Cardinals already lost a game they were widely expected to win and if Palmer falls off a cliff, as the last two games he played suggest is possible, they've got big problems.
Baltimore are mediocre.
Assuming that if we go 0-2 we're going 0-7 is SOJF horseshit of the highest order.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2016, 11:37:10 AM
See, this is my problem. It's complete horseshit.
The Chiefs came very close to losing at Arrowhead to the Chargers, who are widely expected to be picking top three again.
Seattle struggled mightily against the Dolphins, who are a popular choice for a top five pick.
The Steelers are good but their secondary is garbage and their line is suspect.
The Cardinals already lost a game they were widely expected to win and if Palmer falls off a cliff, as the last two games he played suggest is possible, they've got big problems.
Baltimore are mediocre.
Assuming that if we go 0-2 we're going 0-7 is SOJF horseshit of the highest order.
And we could reasonably have been expected to win Sunday. So what's your point? Nobody goes undefeated.
On paper this is a really rough schedule in the first two months. Could they start 0-2 and be 5-2 heading to Cleveland? Absolutely. That is an awfully sunshiney outlook though and not one I'd have any confidence in.
It's not SOJF bullshit. It's being realistic.
EDIT: Also note that you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not "assuming" 0-7. I said it was a "realistic possibility" and there is a distinct difference.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2016, 11:39:13 AM
It's not SOJF bullshit. It's being realistic.
"I'm just being realistic!" cried every SOJF ever.
GTFO with your "must win" bullshit in week 2. It is not anywhere close to must win and never has been in week 2.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2016, 11:40:31 AM
"I'm just being realistic!" cried every SOJF ever.
GTFO with your "must win" bullshit in week 2. It is not anywhere close to must win and never has been in week 2.
Well, then I don't know what to say other than we disagree.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 14, 2016, 01:01:40 PM
And we could reasonably have been expected to win Sunday. So what's your point? Nobody goes undefeated.
On paper this is a really rough schedule in the first two months. Could they start 0-2 and be 5-2 heading to Cleveland? Absolutely. That is an awfully sunshiney outlook though and not one I'd have any confidence in.
It's not SOJF bullshit. It's being realistic.
EDIT: Also note that you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not "assuming" 0-7. I said it was a "realistic possibility" and there is a distinct difference.
Going 0-7 is as "realistic" as finishing 15-1.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2016, 01:03:21 PM
Given that we're actually having the conversation rather than not being smartasses, I'd disagree with that.
If the Jets lose tomorrow, it makes it a much harder climb to make the playoffs. Not because a game in September has any more importance than a game in December. I'm of the school of thought that every single game is just as important as every other.
The problem is, given the schedule the Jets are faced with, if they lose to the Bills tomorrow night, it's going to be extremely difficult to make the playoffs. With a loss in both of the first two games, they'd stand a very realistic chance of starting the season 0-7. They could be 3-7 by the bye but then facing the Pats and Colts in consecutive prime time games.
That's significantly different than had they won Sunday and wound up 2-5 heading to Cleveland where they could wind up being 5-5 at the bye.
In the 5 games after the Bills, the only games I feel like they have a realistic shot are home against Seattle, at Arizona, and home against the Ravens. Those are no cakewalks though and facing the Seahawks at 0-3 isn't going to give me any sort of confidence they won't be 0-4.
The season wouldn't be "over" but it would be ridiculously hard from there. That makes it a "must win" game.
See, this is my problem. It's complete horseshit.
The Chiefs came very close to losing at Arrowhead to the Chargers, who are widely expected to be picking top three again.
Seattle struggled mightily against the Dolphins, who are a popular choice for a top five pick.
The Steelers are good but their secondary is garbage and their line is suspect.
The Cardinals already lost a game they were widely expected to win and if Palmer falls off a cliff, as the last two games he played suggest is possible, they've got big problems.
Baltimore are mediocre.
Assuming that if we go 0-2 we're going 0-7 is SOJF horseshit of the highest order.
But why?
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2016, 01:37:54 PM
Going 0-7 is as "realistic" as finishing 15-1.
Okay
But why?
I don't know why I have to keep repeating myself.
The reason is pretty simple. If they lose tomorrow night I can see why you would think that, but let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country, to make America more like the rest of the world. When I'm president of the United States, we are going to re-embrace all the things that made America the greatest nation in the world and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve: the single greatest nation in the history of the world.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2016, 02:11:01 PM
Okay
I don't know why I have to keep repeating myself.
The reason is pretty simple. If they lose tomorrow night I can see why you would think that, but let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country, to make America more like the rest of the world. When I'm president of the United States, we are going to re-embrace all the things that made America the greatest nation in the world and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve: the single greatest nation in the history of the world.
Donald Trump
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2016, 03:35:04 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2016, 08:30:59 AM
You have to think that the Jets are going to have to strongly reconsider bringing Fitz back after this season. I have no idea how thst will work out contractually. But Marshall, and Forte probably have one maybe two more years tops. Not sure how old Decker is, but he should be due for a new contract around then as well
Plus Mangold and Clady...
Post by: Hemi on September 16, 2016, 09:16:52 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 16, 2016, 09:17:35 AM
It's funny how they're talking about the Jets offense being "absolutely loaded". Something I never imagined
You have to think that the Jets are going to have to strongly reconsider bringing Fitz back after this season. I have no idea how thst will work out contractually. But Marshall, and Forte probably have one maybe two more years tops. Not sure how old Decker is, but he should be due for a new contract around then as well
Plus Mangold and Clady...
Patience. If we lose next week, people will want to cut them all.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2016, 09:58:15 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 16, 2016, 10:23:30 AM
New season of A Football Life starts tonight at 9pm on NFLN with Curtis Martin.
Nice. Gotta be good
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
Patience. If we lose next week, people will want to cut them all.
Regardless of what happens when, we're still gonna be a win now team with a short window with a lot of extremely talented players disappearing soon
I think the conversation about Fitz is inevitable. We can't he a win now team without an answer at QB. So balancing between getting the new guys involved, and winning now is gonna be tough
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2016, 10:43:02 AM
Anyone try this out?
Post by: Hemi on September 16, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
On a side note I'm reading ranting and raving reviews about how the NFL streamed this game on Twitter, and the quality was amazing. And it was one of the best legal streams they've ever seen. And how you can easily stream it on the built in TV apps.
Anyone try this out?
I checked it out on my phone. the quality was excellent.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 16, 2016, 11:12:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2016, 06:00:12 PM
I checked it out on my phone. the quality was excellent.
Is this going to be a Thursday night football thing only? I haven't heard anything about this till I made that post
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2016, 08:31:57 PM
New season of A Football Life starts tonight at 9pm on NFLN with Curtis Martin.
God damnit I forgot about it.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 16, 2016, 08:42:14 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 16, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
God damnit I forgot about it.
It will be repeated about thirty times over the next two weeks. It's on again right now (started at midnight) and again at 4am. Just set your DVR.
Post by: reuben on September 22, 2016, 03:18:25 PM
Post by: steves850 on September 22, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
Leonard Williams, We Know What Happened To Your Hookah Parts. (http://deadspin.com/leonard-williams-we-know-what-happened-to-your-hookah-1786949736)
That excrement looks like it was stolen from Florham Park - the box has #92 written on it. (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--iIH8aaWz--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ayasr6ulbhoeudfwq5bf.jpg)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 22, 2016, 05:07:10 PM
Leonard Williams, We Know What Happened To Your Hookah Parts. (http://deadspin.com/leonard-williams-we-know-what-happened-to-your-hookah-1786949736)
The comments section is glorious. "Morristown PD, hookah brother up!"
Post by: Pope on September 22, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2016, 06:31:59 PM
i am sort of a cynic/hipster when it comes to my thought processes, though
Post by: Pope on September 22, 2016, 07:06:23 PM
when i see a fellow human of middle eastern origin smoking from a hookah here in america, i actually view it as a sign of being whitewashed.How does your family view you as a gay middle-eastern man?
i am sort of a cynic/hipster when it comes to my thought processes, though
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2016, 09:12:39 PM
How does your family view you as a gay middle-eastern man?
who were you on the old board?
Post by: Pope on September 22, 2016, 09:18:56 PM
who were you on the old board?My bad I was coorslightcans
Post by: reuben on September 22, 2016, 09:29:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2016, 09:52:45 PM
My bad I was coorslightcans
That's fucked up bro.
Post by: Tommy on September 22, 2016, 10:43:25 PM
when i see a fellow human of middle eastern origin smoking from a hookah here in america, i actually view it as a sign of being whitewashed.
i am sort of a cynic/hipster when it comes to my thought processes, though
I've been to the Middle East (Dubai and Jeddah) and saw Hookah spots everywhere. Cairo doesn't really count, but there were a bunch there too.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 24, 2016, 11:25:10 AM
I've been to the Middle East (Dubai and Jeddah) and saw Hookah spots everywhere. Cairo doesn't really count, but there were a bunch there too.
wasn't denying or arguing that at all. was more commenting on the use of hookah within the culture of young middle eastern people who have grown up and live in america.
Post by: Jumbo on October 04, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2016, 11:35:52 PM
Post by: NDMick on October 05, 2016, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2016, 11:21:35 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 15, 2016, 10:25:06 PM
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ESPN New York reports Devin Smith (ACL, PUP) won’t return when first eligible.
Smith can come off PUP in Week 7. He’s expected to need two weeks of practice before the Jets activate him. With Eric Decker (shoulder) on IR, Smith should have a role in three-wide sets when healthy.
Guess hell come off either right before or after the bye
Post by: dcm1602 on October 16, 2016, 07:41:51 PM
Post by: guinness77 on October 16, 2016, 07:59:38 PM
Anyone think we go after Jay Cutler after this year?Why?
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2016, 08:14:10 PM
Anyone think we go after Jay Cutler after this year?
I would have thought that if we're going to go for a short term vet in an attempt to win now (and I don't), Romo seems like the best option. Feels like his Favre moment is coming.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 16, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
I would have thought that if we're going to go for a short term vet in an attempt to win now (and I don't), Romo seems like the best option. Feels like his Favre moment is coming.
Romo is gonna be 37, is extremely injury prone, and has over 25 million dollars guaranteed left (making it all the harder to part with with the age and injuries)
Cutler is buddy buddy with the best player on our team (and Matt Forte) will only be turning 34, and has virtually no guaranteed money left.
At the very least it's gotta be a real possibility
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
Romo is gonna be 37, is extremely injury prone, and has over 25 million dollars guaranteed left (making it all the harder to part with with the age and injuries)
Cutler is buddy buddy with the best player on our team (and Matt Forte) will only be turning 34, and has virtually no guaranteed money left.
At the very least it's gotta be a real possibility
Cutler has never looked like he's capable of winning anything, and I don't know that Marshall and Cutler are that tight. Was there not a story that they haven't talked in two years? Romo has the talent to win it all, he's just never stayed healthy in years when his team has been good enough.
I don't want either, but if I had to take one it would be Romo and it wouldn't be a hard decision.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 16, 2016, 08:50:19 PM
Cutler has never looked like he's capable of winning anything, and I don't know that Marshall and Cutler are that tight. Was there not a story that they haven't talked in two years? Romo has the talent to win it all, he's just never stayed healthy in years when his team has been good enough.
I don't want either, but if I had to take one it would be Romo and it wouldn't be a hard decision.
Romo's contract is really prohibitive though. Hes too old expensive and injury prone. Cutler is basically ripe for the picking, could probably even get him for something like what Fitz wanted us to give him
Theres been bloggers/reporters saying the Chargers should trade Rivers before its too late. But I think thats pure fantasy, plus youd have to give up real assets to trade for him, which means it wouldnt make any sense.
Also I googled the two year thing (it doesnt make sense) as they were on the bears together for an entire season during that timespan and articles said he was probably just exaggerating .
But this is the most recent article I could find mentioning Marshall and Cutler from August
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brandon-marshall-is-here-to-tell-you-why-jay-cutler-can-be-the-mvp-in-2016/
In which case Marshall said this August that he thinks Jay Cutler could be the MVP this year lol
And this article from 2015
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4697627/brandon-marshall-on-jay-cutler-i-love-him-and-his-family
(on his relationship with Cutler)
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"It depends," Marshall said Friday during a conference call with the New York media. "The new coach was brought on, and our new general manager. They don’t know us. All they can go on is what they hear, what they see, what they saw from afar. I’ve always described our relationship this way -- and it hasn’t changed -- that we’re brothers. We’re the brothers that we love each other, but also get into it. And it’s always been that way and it will never change. I love him, his family. I love his sons. And I wish him the best."
Post by: Tommy on October 16, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 16, 2016, 11:42:33 PM
Post by: Laxin on October 17, 2016, 09:17:56 AM
I'd rather give Petty or Hackenberg a real look than sign Romo or (worse) Cutler. This team needs more than just an aging and brittle QB. I think its pretty apparent we are in full rebuild mode after this year. Romo or Cutler doesn't fit into that picture.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 17, 2016, 09:35:11 AM
It's long past time to tear it down and rebuild. It makes no sense to bring in an expensive veteran to pretend this team is a contender in the near-term.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 20, 2016, 11:31:15 AM
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FREE AGENTS
Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins: This would require a major financial commitment, and we're talking about a quarterback with a 15-16 lifetime record. The Jets' current regime had some interest in Cousins more than a year ago, when Smith went out with a broken jaw.
Mike Glennon, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: He'd be more affordable than Cousins, but we're not talking about a franchise-caliber player. His career record is 5-13.
Brian Hoyer, Chicago Bears: Maccagnan has expressed interest in each of the last two offseasons. Hoyer is putting up good numbers with the Bears (even if he's not winning), and he'd be a decent, short-term consideration.
Landry Jones, Pittsburgh Steelers: Obviously, he hasn't played a lot, but some scouts like his upside. These next few weeks will determine his market value as he steps in for the injured Ben Roethlisberger.
Tony Romo has been injury-prone in recent seasons, but he'd probably be available to the Jets this offseason because the Cowboys seem to have a new franchise quarterback in Dak Prescott. AP Photo/Michael Ainsworth
UNDER CONTRACT
Trevor Siemian, Denver Broncos: First-round pick Paxton Lynch is waiting in the wings, so Siemian could become expendable. The Jets would have to give up a lot in a trade, though, because the Broncos have him on the cheap for two more seasons.
Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers: He can void his restructured contract, making him a free agent. Kaepernick has talent, but he hasn't played well in three years and his political beliefs would create a distraction in a market like New York.
Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys: Haven't you been following America's quarterback controversy? Cap-wise it would be difficult, but not impossible, to trade or cut Romo. The downside: He'll be 37 and he's fragile. Upside: He'd be great box office, and owner Woody Johnson loves marquee quarterbacks.
Jay Cutler, Bears: Cutler has four years left on his contract, but he probably won't see that money from the Bears. His personality chafes many people, but some scouts believe he could succeed with the Jets if there's a strong offensive coach to rein him in.
Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins: The Fish can cut bait after the season, but it would be a tremendous admission of failure considering they gave him a monster contract in 2015. Tannehill has talent, but he's maddeningly inconsistent.
Jimmy Garoppolo, New England Patriots: Do you honestly think the Patriots would trade him within the division? And to the Jets? There's a better chance of Todd Bowles doing standup on "The Tonight Show."
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2016, 07:33:42 AM
Post by: Coach K on October 21, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/17816613/espn-magazine-2016-ultimate-standings
Lightning really does deserve that number 1 spot , impeccably ran , top to bottom
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2016, 04:32:15 PM
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We have signed LBs Julian Stanford and Victor Ochi to the active roster, placed TE Braedon Bowman on IR and placed LB Erin Henderson on the Reserve–Non-Football Injury/Illness list.
Post by: Koz on October 24, 2016, 07:21:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2016, 03:48:18 PM
The Jets gotta be bringing in either Spiller or Williams or somebody
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
Bilal has turf toe, and cj Spiller got cut.
The Jets gotta be bringing in either Spiller or Williams or somebody
You're borderline obsessed with CJ Spiller.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
You're borderline obsessed with CJ Spiller.
Well considering that our starting running back is old and hasn't exactly been very good, and his backup now has turf toe.
It's rather logical that we bring in a back who can jump right in. Who else knows our offense and OC
Probably also worth mentioning that Forte has had a lingering knee injury as well
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2016, 05:53:48 PM
Well considering that our starting running back is old and hasn't exactly been very good, and his backup now has turf toe.
It's rather logical that we bring in a back who can jump right in. Who else knows our offense and OC?
Forte is on track for over 1400 yards and 11 TDs so I take issue with the suggestion that he hasn't been very good, but he can't do everything. Spiller's style of play isn't what we need to spell him though, and he's already been cut twice this season.
I'd prefer Williams but he's with the Steelers, although I think he's on their PS so we probably could sign him if we wanted to.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 27, 2016, 08:47:09 AM
Forte is on track for over 1400 yards and 11 TDs so I take issue with the suggestion that he hasn't been very good, but he can't do everything. Spiller's style of play isn't what we need to spell him though, and he's already been cut twice this season.
I'd prefer Williams but he's with the Steelers, although I think he's on their PS so we probably could sign him if we wanted to.
When Forte has room to get his motor started he's been good. Unfortunately our OL has had trouble creating space.
Troymaine Pope suddenly finds himself in the same position as the young receivers. This is his opportunity at some meaningful reps.
Post by: guinness77 on October 27, 2016, 10:15:36 AM
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Post by: casman02 on October 30, 2016, 09:15:25 AM
The trade deadline is usually quiet, but teams are calling about a big-name #Jets DL: Sheldon Richardson. There were talks. Will it pick up?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2016, 10:27:45 AM
Are there even any rumors about what happened to Henderson? I haven't really heard a thing.
The only rumor I heard is it has to do with his prior history of alcoholism. But that's 100% speculative
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2016, 12:32:19 PM
If we win today it will continue to be identical.
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Post by: Pope on November 02, 2016, 04:47:22 PM
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Post by: Tommy on November 02, 2016, 04:49:38 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 02, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
Aya thinks you can get Sheldon Richardson to visit her tonight? Nice.
Hahahhahhaa
Post by: Tommy on November 02, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 02, 2016, 05:11:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2016, 10:35:36 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 08, 2016, 10:50:53 AM
Just heard on the radio the Jets are 2 for 8 when passing on 3rd & 1, 9 for 9 when running on 3rd & 1
Chan the Man.
Post by: insanity on November 08, 2016, 01:57:38 PM
Just heard on the radio the Jets are 2 for 8 when passing on 3rd & 1, 9 for 9 when running on 3rd & 1
"Nothing good in life comes easy"?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
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Jets waived/injured TE Kellen Davis.
Everything coming up Millhouse
Post by: nyjunc on November 28, 2016, 04:05:18 PM
Herm had way more talent to freak up than Bowles.
Bowles has had playoff talent to work with and can't make it. Herm took over when the franchise was a mess w/ numerous coaches walking out on us and he turned us around.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 28, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Bowles has had playoff talent to work with and can't make it. Herm took over when the franchise was a mess w/ numerous coaches walking out on us and he turned us around.
You realize that they had the exact same record on their first year, right? Edwards got into the playoffs because the other teams sucked more in 2001 than they did in 2015, not because we did better.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 28, 2016, 06:21:05 PM
Bowles has had playoff talent to work with and can't make it. Herm took over when the franchise was a mess w/ numerous coaches walking out on us and he turned us around.
Yeah poor Herm, his first year he had 4 first round draft picks 3 of which they hit on, and a 4th 3rd round pick was a little below a franchise WR.
Poooooooooooooooooooor Poooooooooor Herm, one of the single worst in game coaches I have ever seen. Herm sucked and I don't care to see your drivel on how he was so great a coach, freak off.
Post by: nyjunc on November 29, 2016, 10:37:26 AM
You realize that they had the exact same record on their first year, right? Edwards got into the playoffs because the other teams sucked more in 2001 than they did in 2015, not because we did better.
Edwards got in b/c the Jets WON in week 17 on the road against a top team rather than laying an egg against a depleted team w/ nothing to play for. we were 10-6 last year mostly b/c of the creampuff sched.
2015 may have been more talent but the 2001 team was better coached and a better team by far.
Post by: nyjunc on November 29, 2016, 10:40:01 AM
Yeah poor Herm, his first year he had 4 first round draft picks 3 of which they hit on, and a 4th 3rd round pick was a little below a franchise WR.
Poooooooooooooooooooor Poooooooooor Herm, one of the single worst in game coaches I have ever seen. Herm sucked and I don't care to see your drivel on how he was so great a coach, freak off.
how many 1st rd picks on D for Bowles? so why isn't he winning?
2 of those 1st rd picks were injury ravaged throughout their Jet careers by the way.
Coles was a good player, wasn't as good as Marshall or decker.
Herm walked into a situation where THREE coaches walked out on us and multiple declined the chance to be considered for the job. NO ONE wanted the job and he led us to POs 3 of first 4 years including a div title- the ONLY non Pats div title in the Brady era(when he was primary starter).
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2016, 11:00:39 AM
Post by: nyjunc on November 29, 2016, 12:55:28 PM
Do you get some kind of award for consistently being the most miserable person at the party?
huh? I am being miserable? how so? I am defending people that helped our team win that are being bashed by Jet fans- wouldn't they be the miserable ones?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2016, 01:04:18 PM
huh? I am being miserable? how so? I am defending people that helped our team win that are being bashed by Jet fans- wouldn't they be the miserable ones?
You disappear for months at a time and only show back up to say things to the effect of: "Hey guys, you see what Rex is doing while we suck?!"
I'd call it trolling, but I honestly think you're not intending to. That's why I'm saying you're being miserable.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 29, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Coles was a good player, wasn't as good as Marshall or decker.
the coles that we saw in the 2002 season was, IMO, much better than the coles that we got back from washington, and i would absolutely consider that coles a franchise WR.
going back 15 years, i don't think the jets have had a QB-WR combo better than chad-coles in 2002
Post by: Tommy on November 29, 2016, 03:28:31 PM
the coles that we saw in the 2002 season was, IMO, much better than the coles that we got back from washington, and i would absolutely consider that coles a franchise WR.
going back 15 years, i don't think the jets have had a QB-WR combo better than chad-coles in 2002
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?Yeah but nostalgia is worth more than TDs.
Post by: Tommy on November 29, 2016, 03:53:13 PM
Yeah but nostalgia is worth more than TDs.
I don't ever remember being very confident going into a game under Herm. I remember games being real ugly, close, with a excrement load of 3rd downs.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 29, 2016, 05:45:40 PM
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
chad didn't actually start until game 4 when we were 1-3 and we benched vinny so he didn't have a full season. it was also his first season starting so he wasn't the same starter he was at the beginning of the season that he was at the end of the season; he grew and got better as the season went along. the same could be said for coles. all of coles' td's that season came after chad became the starter.
not saying that the connection between fitz and marshall last year wasn't good or wildly successful; it was, which i guess was the original point of this topic lol. i was just saying that the 2002 team also had a very good QB-WR combo, and off talent alone, even though i think BMarsh is better than coles, i'd take the 02 chad-coles talent wise over fitz-marshall. maybe nostalgia does play a part in that, who knows.
Post by: Hemi on November 30, 2016, 01:26:53 PM
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
Would have to look up O'Brien to Toon.and Wesley walker
Post by: Hemi on November 30, 2016, 01:33:48 PM
Maynard had 14 in 65 but it looks like Namath only started 9 games that year....rookie
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:06:34 AM
You disappear for months at a time and only show back up to say things to the effect of: "Hey guys, you see what Rex is doing while we suck?!"
I'd call it trolling, but I honestly think you're not intending to. That's why I'm saying you're being miserable.
I was a regular and liked it here but the pee wee coach attacked me then I got suspended for it so I will pop in now and then when I feel like it.
I am miserable watching this team and miserable knowing we blew it w/ better QBs, HCs, GMs that average fans wanted to get rid of. sorry if that offends anyone.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:07:59 AM
the coles that we saw in the 2002 season was, IMO, much better than the coles that we got back from washington, and i would absolutely consider that coles a franchise WR.
going back 15 years, i don't think the jets have had a QB-WR combo better than chad-coles in 2002
I agree with you there, 2002 Coles was much better than 2005-2008 Coles though he was still a good player for us.
I would also agree the Chad/Coles connection was probably the best when everything is factored in.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 10:10:15 AM
I was a regular and liked it here but the pee wee coach attacked me then I got suspended for it so I will pop in now and then when I feel like it.
No one attacked your whiny derriere.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 10:12:29 AM
get Rex Ryan's dick out of your mouth
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:14:06 AM
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
That was one sides, it was all Marshall. Chad/Coles was better in 2002 leading to a division title.
I don't ever remember being very confident going into a game under Herm. I remember games being real ugly, close, with a excrement load of 3rd downs.
But you feel confident w/ Bowles? In most games we had chances to win under Herm and outside of the times we had QB injuries we won a lot more than we lost including the only non Brady div title ever(in a year he was primary starter for NE)
Would have to look up O'Brien to Toon.and Wesley walker
Vinny had 29 TDs in 421 attempts, Fitz had 31 in 562. Vinny also only had 7 INTs(w/ at least one an end of half hail mary) while Fitz had 15 INTs. Vinny led the O to more PPG too and oh yeah he led us to 12 wins and our first ever AFC East title.
Fitz's 2015 is probably not even top 5 for Jets QBs in the last 30 years despite the records.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:14:35 AM
No one attacked your whiny derriere.
pipe down pee wee coach. tell me again how Fitz is the next Rich Gannon
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
And while you're still around trolling our site:
get Rex Ryan's dick out of your mouth
no need to be vulgar son. take another loss and move on.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
I was a regular and liked it here but the pee wee coach attacked me then I got suspended for it so I will pop in now and then when I feel like it.
I am miserable watching this team and miserable knowing we blew it w/ better QBs, HCs, GMs that average fans wanted to get rid of. sorry if that offends anyone.
Look, I like you as a poster, always have (even when we argue), but (I assume) you were legitimately suspended because you continually posted personal things on the board--and the rules are rightfully restrictive on that front.
Arguing with Heismanberg is one thing, but don't introduce anything approaching personal information on a public message board. Beyond rules, that's just simple tactfulness.
I'm not offended by you. I just question why you always want to make a miserable situation feel worse. This year sucks as a Jets fan, why compound it with talking about past failed regimes and any perceived current success elsewhere? Does it help a Browns fan to say "We fired Belichick! Now look at him!"?
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
Look, I like you as a poster, always have (even when we argue), but (I assume) you were legitimately suspended because you continually posted personal things on the board--and the rules are rightfully restrictive on that front.
Arguing with Heismanberg is one thing, but don't introduce anything approaching personal information on a public message board. Beyond rules, that's just simple tactfulness.
I'm not offended by you. I just question why you always want to make a miserable situation feel worse. This year sucks as a Jets fan, why compound it with talking about past failed regimes and any perceived current success elsewhere? Does it help a Browns fan to say "We fired Belichick! Now look at him!"?
I did question where he coached based on his behavior but I apologized for that and never brought that up again. that wasn't why I was suspended.
I argued for a long time about Rex and everyone bashed me and told me how much he sucked. it sucks watching him do well and Tannenbaum do well while we suck again.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 10:51:39 AM
that wasn't why I was suspended.
false
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:54:32 AM
false
you whined like s schoolgirl b/c I cracked a joke. there was nothing wrong w/ what I said. I did acknowledge a mistake when I asked where you "coached" with your despicable behavior but I never did that again. I am allowed to goof on your coaching though especially when you come at me. if you can't handle it don't come at me and I won't make you look foolish and you won't have to cry to the mods.
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 01, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
Look, I like you as a poster, always have (even when we argue), but (I assume) you were legitimately suspended because you continually posted personal things on the board--and the rules are rightfully restrictive on that front.
Arguing with Heismanberg is one thing, but don't introduce anything approaching personal information on a public message board. Beyond rules, that's just simple tactfulness.
I'm not offended by you. I just question why you always want to make a miserable situation feel worse. This year sucks as a Jets fan, why compound it with talking about past failed regimes and any perceived current success elsewhere? Does it help a Browns fan to say "We fired Belichick! Now look at him!"?
Tactfully presented Alio, statesman like as always.
I agree with Alio Junk. I think you have good points to make and clearly know the game; it would be a pretty boring board if we all agreed with each other. I would say though that from time to time I was genuinely confused if you were a Jet fan.
For the record Italian seafood and I were against jettisoning Rex and got pretty much derriere raped on here by some. It does pain me to watch him motivate his team with arguably less talent.
It's the holiday season, good will to all men etc. How about cleaning the slate and coming back on board. I'm sure my board colleagues here will be happy to turn the page.
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
I argued for a long time about Rex and everyone bashed me and told me how much he sucked.
Not everyone.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
I argued for a long time about Rex and everyone bashed me and told me how much he sucked. it sucks watching him do well and Tannenbaum do well while we suck again.
A lot of us liked Rex. But it was time for him to go. Things were a mess here and he was sinking. Guys often do better in their following opportunities once they learn what went wrong before. Rex hasn't done anything significant in Buffalo yet though, so let's wait to crown him.
As for Tanny, it was a weird situation. He built a limited window team that fell just short. Then the window closed and he got fired just before his salary/rebuild plan went through.
Who knows? If Rex and Tannenbaum were allowed to stay together those two Idzik years, maybe things would be different now. It's hard to say either way. Maybe Sanchez would never have gotten hurt. Maybe we never pick Geno and use it more wisely. Maybe we get Decker and Marshall and Sanchez becomes a legend.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. By the same token we could've been in cap hell, never got Marshall or Decker, and Sanchez could still have flamed out.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
Tactfully presented Alio, statesman like as always.
I agree with Alio Junk. I think you have good points to make and clearly know the game; it would be a pretty boring board if we all agreed with each other. I would say though that from time to time I was genuinely confused if you were a Jet fan.
For the record Italian seafood and I were against jettisoning Rex and got pretty much derriere raped on here by some. It does pain me to watch him motivate his team with arguably less talent.
It's the holiday season, good will to all men etc. How about cleaning the slate and coming back on board. I'm sure my board colleagues here will be happy to turn the page.
I certainly don’t expect or want everyone to agree with me, boards would be boring if we all agreed.
I liked it here, I post for fun. I honestly don’t take anything personally even the silly attacks from that guy.
I appreciate your comments.
Not everyone.
Yes, there were a few who liked Rex. Sorry about that.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 11:05:56 AM
A lot of us liked Rex. But it was time for him to go. Things were a mess here and he was sinking. Guys often do better in their following opportunities once they learn what went wrong before. Rex hasn't done anything significant in Buffalo yet though, so let's wait to crown him.
As for Tanny, it was a weird situation. He built a limited window team that fell just short. Then the window closed and he got fired just before his salary/rebuild plan went through.
Who knows? If Rex and Tannenbaum were allowed to stay together those two Idzik years, maybe things would be different now. It's hard to say either way. Maybe Sanchez would never have gotten hurt. Maybe we never pick Geno and use it more wisely. Maybe we get Decker and Marshall and Sanchez becomes a legend.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. By the same token we could've been in cap hell, never got Marshall or Decker, and Sanchez could still have flamed out.
He did have to go unfortunately but mostly b/c we had already fired Tannenbaum, and hired a new GM, we couldn’t hire another GM w/ rex still here. the big mistake was firing Tannenbaum, that got the ball rolling toward where we are today. w/ that said I do like our current GM and the HC has some good qualities but he’s been awful since week 17 of last year.
We did go for it under Tannenbaum, got close and had to start over. The cap would have been fine, it wasn’t mystery what we needed to do in the offseason after 2012. He would have executed that fine.
I hope for the best, teams get good and bad quickly but it’s frustrating now with 6 straight seasons missing the playoffs. the last tiem that happened was 1992-1997 but missing in 1997 we knew we had Parcells to coach and we were going to get better, now who knows?
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 01, 2016, 11:25:57 AM
I certainly don’t expect or want everyone to agree with me, boards would be boring if we all agreed.
I liked it here, I post for fun. I honestly don’t take anything personally even the silly attacks from that guy.
I appreciate your comments.
Yes, there were a few who liked Rex. Sorry about that.
Good stuff. Good to have you back onside on here to share the misery of the New York freaking football Jets.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2016, 11:46:17 AM
ok.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
I did acknowledge a mistake when I asked where you "coached" with your despicable behavior but I never did that again.
I didn't have a single response to you in this thread until you brought it up again. And you continue on with it.
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I am allowed to goof on your coaching though especially when you come at me.
Again, I didn't say anything in this thread. You made a comment about my job for no reason.
For the thousandth time, you aren't allowed to use personal information on this site against someone. That is why you were banned for an evening...after you were warned five or six times.
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if you can't handle it don't come at me and I won't make you look foolish and you won't have to cry to the mods.
I am mod, bundle of sticks.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2016, 12:08:43 PM
He did have to go unfortunately but mostly b/c we had already fired Tannenbaum, and hired a new GM, we couldn’t hire another GM w/ rex still here. the big mistake was firing Tannenbaum, that got the ball rolling toward where we are today. w/ that said I do like our current GM and the HC has some good qualities but he’s been awful since week 17 of last year.
We did go for it under Tannenbaum, got close and had to start over. The cap would have been fine, it wasn’t mystery what we needed to do in the offseason after 2012. He would have executed that fine.
I hope for the best, teams get good and bad quickly but it’s frustrating now with 6 straight seasons missing the playoffs. the last tiem that happened was 1992-1997 but missing in 1997 we knew we had Parcells to coach and we were going to get better, now who knows?
Again, we can't know what would've happened if Tanny and Rex had two more years together. It could have worked out great. It could have flopped. You can't say definitively either way.
That said, I've flip flopped on Bowles and Maccagnan this year. Earlier I wanted Bowles' head on a pike. These last few weeks, however, have made me question if the problem is more Maccagnan's inability to acquire enough talent.
In the end, I think the two of them need one more year to see if they can move the franchise forward.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
These last few weeks, however, have made me question if the problem is more Maccagnan's inability to acquire enough talent.
Well, he hasn't had much time to acquire talent. He has to find a QB or he's gone.
I think a draft strategist/scout type of general manager like Mike Maccagnan needs four seasons to put a team. Todd Bowles doesn't have that much time and he knows it. The two don't really fit together right now as far as I can tell.
This offseason is big for both of them. I think we're going to see Maccagnan try to tear it down a bit and get rid of older players.
The imminent Sheldon Richardson trade is huge for this team.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Good stuff. Good to have you back onside on here to share the misery of the New York freaking football Jets.
no matter what we think of anyone on the site we all share the misery :D :-[
so we should've retained a glorified accountant who couldnt manage the cap and traded away draft picks like baseball cards.
ok.
the glorified accountant who built 2 legit SB contenders. I did have an issue w/ the way he treated draft picks but he did draft at least one HOFer and drafted numerous all pros. It’s better to trade away some picks and get good players through the draft and FA/trades than to do what BP did w/ draft picks which was pick 10+ a year and get less out of it. Now he’s helped turn Miami around, a franchise stuck in neutral the last 15 years or so.
the Bills are 6-5....why are people pining for Rex?
Have you seen the injuries and suspensions they have had? To be 6-5 and in the race is a miracle especially after they were left for dead at 0-2 after our game.
Again, we can't know what would've happened if Tanny and Rex had two more years together. It could have worked out great. It could have flopped. You can't say definitively either way.
That said, I've flip flopped on Bowles and Maccagnan this year. Earlier I wanted Bowles' head on a pike. These last few weeks, however, have made me question if the problem is more Maccagnan's inability to acquire enough talent.
In the end, I think the two of them need one more year to see if they can move the franchise forward.
I like Macc, Bowles is a terrible HC. w/ that said I don’t want him fired. We can’t fire a HC 2 years in after firing the last GM 2 years in. Bowels has some good qualities but he needs to improve a lot. I hope he can.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Well, he hasn't had much time to acquire talent. He has to find a QB or he's gone.
I think a draft strategist/scout type of general manager like Mike Maccagnan needs four seasons to put a team. Todd Bowles doesn't have that much time and he knows it. The two don't really fit together right now as far as I can tell.
This offseason is big for both of them. I think we're going to see Maccagnan try to tear it down a bit and get rid of older players.
The imminent Sheldon Richardson trade is huge for this team.
In retrospect we should have traded Mo, would have got more for him than Sheldon even though Sheldon may be the better player.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 12:22:18 PM
Getting rid of Jarvis Jenkins, Sheldon Richardson, and Darrelle Revis will help this team.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 12:24:32 PM
Wilkerson is still hurt. Richardson can't be trusted. I hope that re-signing will work out over time. Wilkerson is still the key player for opposing OLs from what I see.
Getting rid of Jarvis Jenkins, Sheldon Richardson, and Darrelle Revis will help this team.
as crazy as it sounds I forgot about his injury from last year. hopefully he will be back to normal next year. Sheldon is definitely gone, we'll see on revis.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
I've definitely been a lot more apt to pull the trigger on getting rid of Bowles/Maccagnan than I've been for guys in their positions in the past. That's due in large part to not wanting to wait too long to see the same result.
Barring a complete implosion at this point, I've settled into "one more year for both" mode.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2016, 02:40:12 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2016, 02:46:21 PM
His first draft here was with the old scouting department that was just south of sucking gaping assholes. So far he has done a better job of getting younger talent in here than any of the two hacks they had before. Obviously, he needs to step it up, but for freak sake, he was left with one if the older shittier rosters in the NFL.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
I think Revis is gone,I am not sure how reputable some of the sites reporting it are but there are reports Revis is mailing it in and telling friends he's done.
Manish started the story. Supposedly a "Revis confidant" told him Revis was done and didn't want to play anymore.
Revis answered this directly today and said he's got two years left on his contract. He's not retiring. Whether he's a Jet or not next year will depend on whether they want to pay him.
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 01, 2016, 03:21:36 PM
I think Revis is gone,I am not sure how reputable some of the sites reporting it are but there are reports Revis is mailing it in and telling friends he's done.
It's Manish but nothing revis is doing on the field contradicts the report. If he isn't done for good he should be done here.
Im surprised Mac is suddenly seen as bad too. We all loved the moves two years ago and he set us up to have decent cap space after some moves this off season. I'm indifferent on bowles but Mac has some more time in my eyes
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 01, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
i'm sure whoever he got that information from (in the case that he really did get information from an 'unnamed source') really is in fact a revis 'confidant', and that this revis 'confidant' would give up information like that to a bundle of sticks like manish
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 03:26:43 PM
It's Manish but nothing revis is doing on the field contradicts the report. If he isn't done for good he should be done here.
Im surprised Mac is suddenly seen as bad too. We all loved the moves two years ago and he set us up to have decent cap space after some moves this off season. I'm indifferent on bowles but Mac has some more time in my eyes
I like Macc. I will be stunned if he and/or Bowles are let go.
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
Jets waived RB CJ Spiller and WR Jeremy Ross
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 06, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN · 2m2 minutes ago
Jets waived RB CJ Spiller and WR Jeremy Ross
Problems fixed! /s
Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2016, 12:57:30 PM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/12/brandon_marshall_pleased_with_bryce_petty_who_used.html
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2016, 12:59:47 PM
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"The first person I see every morning is Bryce Petty, because he's the first one in every day," Marshall said. "[Former Jet] Antonio Cromartie and I were the first ones in last year. We used to race in here. Now I can't beat [Petty] in. I'm not even trying anymore.
Impressed by this, but doubt it will translate to the field
Post by: nyjunc on December 08, 2016, 02:16:41 PM
Impressed by this, but doubt it will translate to the field
why do you say that?
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 08, 2016, 03:57:10 PM
Impressed by this, but doubt it will translate to the field
You really have no faith in Petty, huh?
I don't like seeing that because I have a high regard for your opinion and I really want Petty to show something good (regardless of Hackenberg or a draftee).
Post by: nyjunc on December 08, 2016, 03:58:56 PM
You really have no faith in Petty, huh?
I don't like seeing that because I have a high regard for your opinion and I really want Petty to show something good (regardless of Hackenberg or a draftee).
not to start trouble here but he also said Fitz was the next Rich Gannon. I don't know where this high regard comes from. I have no idea if Petty can become a good QB, we'll see but I would like him to answer my question
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 08, 2016, 04:05:41 PM
not to start trouble here but he also said Fitz was the next Rich Gannon. I don't know where this high regard comes from. I have no idea if Petty can become a good QB, we'll see but I would like him to answer my question
I don't recall him calling Fitz the next Gannon. He may have said something along the lines of hoping Fitz was another Gannon-like story, but I don't think he said what you keep accusing him of.
Heismanberg is pretty good judge of talent. I have that high regard from years of reading his posts.
Post by: nyjunc on December 08, 2016, 04:23:53 PM
I don't recall him calling Fitz the next Gannon. He may have said something along the lines of hoping Fitz was another Gannon-like story, but I don't think he said what you keep accusing him of.
Heismanberg is pretty good judge of talent. I have that high regard from years of reading his posts.
he was very high on Fitz, we argued about it all last year. I would hope he will be honest and discuss that. he was wrong, it happens. we are all wrong from time to time but he was badly wrong on Fitz.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2016, 04:25:57 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 08, 2016, 04:26:59 PM
he was very high on Fitz, we argued about it all last year. I would hope he will be honest and discuss that. he was wrong, it happens. we are all wrong from time to time but he was badly wrong on Fitz.
Fitz had the statistically best season of a Jets QB ever. Period.
Yeah, yeah, I know you hate stats. It doesn't matter. By any measurable metric Fitz was one of the best Jets QBs ever last year. Stop with the petty squabbling with him.
Post by: nyjunc on December 08, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Kerry Collins
a successful NFL QB, led a team to a SB. he was 40+ sitting on his couch when Indy called and Indy tanked it. who knew? but to call Fitz the next Rich Gannon was so spectacularly bad. You couldn't have a worse take on a situation.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2016, 04:35:09 PM
Fitz had the statistically best season of a Jets QB ever. Period.
Yeah, yeah, I know you hate stats. It doesn't matter. By any measurable metric Fitz was one of the best Jets QBs ever last year. Stop with the petty squabbling with him.
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2016, 04:35:35 PM
who knew?
Literally everyone but you
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
You really have no faith in Petty, huh?
I don't like seeing that because I have a high regard for your opinion and I really want Petty to show something good (regardless of Hackenberg or a draftee).
Back on track...
I like Petty, but he doesn't have a lot of help. We can't consistently run the ball. The protection is not very good. Outside of Brandon Marshall, the WR corps is very inexperienced as well.
Our defense can't seem to stop anyone so we're constantly fighting back/climbing out of a hole.
Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
Back on track...
I like Petty, but he doesn't have a lot of help. We can't consistently run the ball. The protection is not very good. Outside of Brandon Marshall, the WR corps is very inexperienced as well.
Our defense can't seem to stop anyone so we're constantly fighting back/climbing out of a hole.
I'll tell you what I liked most about him on Monday was that he went to Anderson a couple of times on a go route, but missed both times. He didn't give up or get frustrated because he knew Anderson had the beating of his man; he adjusted and then went to him again on a post and hit a big TD. We know he has the arm to do it, but that suggested he might have the temperament as well. Now he has to learn to think at NFL speed.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
I'll tell you what I liked most about him on Monday was that he went to Anderson a couple of times on a go route, but missed both times.
Also playing against bums in a game that was out of reach. I hope they let him air it out, but I feel like they could be more conservative with him.
Post by: nyjunc on December 09, 2016, 08:00:28 AM
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
one of the best NUMBERS season, some of us can see beyond the #s and you said he was going to be another Rich gannon. you were on board the Fitz train, it derailed like I predicted unfortunately. I wanted Fitz to succeed, I want to win and I don't care who the QB is but there's a reason a guy like Fitz has never sniffed postseason.
Literally everyone but you
that Fitz sucks? that he was living off Marshall and Decker making spectacular plays on a weekly basis?
Petty right now is about getting some experience, I don't care if he lights it up. as long as he is showing he can play. he'll make a few plays, he'll make some big mistakes. proclamations should not be made on him either way after this brief audition. Chances are better than not he can become a solid backup in this league but we'll see.
Post by: nyjunc on December 09, 2016, 08:09:05 AM
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,2384.msg190430.html#msg190430
Who are you to say that he can't turn out the same way that Gannon did?
I hope he does but 6 good games is a little early to make that proclamation.
Rich Gannon was efficient. He didn't put up huge numbers. All we need is for Fitzpatrick to keep taking care of the football.
If our OL improves and the running game gets a little more consistent, then it's not hard to see him doing well for another season or two.
Gannon was the best QB in the league for a couple of years. He won an NFL MVP award, was a 2 time 1st team all pro and led a team to the SB. he threw for 4700 yds in 2002.
can he do well? yes, can he be Rich gannon? I'd love to see it but I wouldn't hold out hope for that.
You fags are acting like Rich freaking Gannon was special. He had a high completion percentage and he had two Hall of Fame receivers to throw to.
He was a journeyman that finally found the right fit and did well for a few years.
Gannon was special in Oakland.
Rice was at the end of his career, Brandon Marshall is better than Rice in oak or Brown.
...no. He was extremely efficient and he was a smart enough to operate Gruden's scheme.
Rice on his last leg was still a great player. So was Tim Brown. He had Andre Rison for a little while too.
you clearly don't remember him in Oakland, he was special there and while Rice could still play he wasn't the jerry Rice we all remember in SF.
Andre Rison? seriously?
Tim Brown was a top WR. Doesn't change the fact of how great Gannon was in those years.
Gannon was 1st team all pro in 200 and 2002. Peyton was already an established top QB and favre was still in his prime yet Gannon was 1st team AP 2 of 3 years. that kind of tells us all we need to know.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 09, 2016, 09:15:11 AM
I see your time is valuable.
Post by: nyjunc on December 09, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
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Post by: Tommy on December 09, 2016, 10:02:37 AM
I like to work w/ those less fortunate, consider it my Christmas gift to you. please keep giving me the gift of your evaluations on QBs like Fitz
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To be fair you were dead wrong about Fitz last year. You can't say "I told you so" just because he's back to being excrement.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 09, 2016, 10:39:20 AM
Fitz had the statistically best season of a Jets QB ever. Period.
Yeah, yeah, I know you hate stats. It doesn't matter. By any measurable metric Fitz was one of the best Jets QBs ever last year. Stop with the petty squabbling with him.
Is making the playoffs a measurable metric?
Fitz had a statistically better season than Vinny's 1998 because Glenn Foley started 3 of the first 5 games that year, all losses, until they figured out Vinny should be the QB. Vinny's Jets wrapped up the division by winning in Buffalo vs a playoff Bills team, Fitz sh*t the bed vs a Bills team with their bags packed. #KeepRex
I was hoping he would find a home here late in his career like Vinny did, or a Gannon, but let's not make last year into something it wasn't. We played 6 real road games and probably raised the bar for this season unrealistically when you look at it now.
By the way, hi everyone. I was going to wait until the end of the season to drop back in but I think we can all agree it's been over for a while. Couldn't leave you guys out to be miserable with out me.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 09, 2016, 10:51:57 AM
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
And who knows? If Decker were healthy and Chan actually implemented TEs and RBs into the playcalling maybe Fitz would've done better.
He obviously has talent inside himself. He just can't seem to capitalize on it.
Back on track...
I like Petty, but he doesn't have a lot of help. We can't consistently run the ball. The protection is not very good. Outside of Brandon Marshall, the WR corps is very inexperienced as well.
Our defense can't seem to stop anyone so we're constantly fighting back/climbing out of a hole.
I think I see. You figure he's behind the 8-ball and is going to get Sanchez-ed, right? Yeah, that would suck.
I'm just crossing my fingers. I want a damn franchise QB so badly.
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2016, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 09, 2016, 05:15:41 PM
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Do you play pickup basketball with him?
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2016, 07:20:55 PM
Do you play pickup basketball with him?lol
Post by: Libero_2 on December 09, 2016, 07:48:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 09, 2016, 08:06:01 PM
Does anybody know what the deal is with Devin Smith? Is he alive? Potentially going to see the field? Even got a shot of making the roster next offseason?
He well on his way to becoming the next DeVier Posey.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 10, 2016, 03:12:55 AM
Does anybody know what the deal is with Devin Smith? Is he alive? Potentially going to see the field? Even got a shot of making the roster next offseason?
He's playing tomorrow, so we'll know more.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 10, 2016, 08:34:20 AM
Does anybody know what the deal is with Devin Smith? Is he alive? Potentially going to see the field? Even got a shot of making the roster next offseason?He'll catch the first pass of the game for an 80 yard TD, then not play the rest of the game.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 11, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000754358/article/johnsons-jets-duties-could-change-if-he-gets-ambassador-role
A part of me has struggled to root for the team when I see him with Pence in the stands, or giving money to Trump so honestly I'd be happy if he stays away from the team as much as possible, but I have no real clue on what's his actual input on the day-to-day operations.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
If he does, we will move the team and become the Liverpool Jetties.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 11, 2016, 10:26:33 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 11, 2016, 10:56:07 AM
Johnson is a very good owner. This has been a rough stretch for us, but the team has been competitive under him for the most part.
Well can't you say the same about most of the owners in the NFL bar the obvious ones?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 11, 2016, 10:58:22 AM
Well can't you say the same about most of the owners in the NFL bar the obvious ones?
There's a lot of teams that have missed the playoffs a lot more than we have since 2000.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2016, 12:04:03 PM
What are your thoughts of this:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000754358/article/johnsons-jets-duties-could-change-if-he-gets-ambassador-role
A part of me has struggled to root for the team when I see him with Pence in the stands, or giving money to Trump so honestly I'd be happy if he stays away from the team as much as possible, but I have no real clue on what's his actual input on the day-to-day operations.
I can't see any conflict of interest at all in having the owner of one of the world's largest pharamceutical companies be the ambassador to the country which is one of the world's largest individual purchasers of pharamceuticals.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
I can't see any conflict of interest at all in having the owner of one of the world's largest pharamceutical companies be the ambassador to the country which is one of the world's largest individual purchasers of pharamceuticals.
Not contesting your point, but I didn't think he owned Johnson & Johnson.
Post by: Pope on December 11, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
Not contesting your point, but I didn't think he owned Johnson & Johnson.Feel free JE is a cuck
Post by: dcm1602 on December 11, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
I can't see any conflict of interest at all in having the owner of one of the world's largest pharamceutical companies be the ambassador to the country which is one of the world's largest individual purchasers of pharamceuticals.
You do realize that most people in power have major conflicts of interest right ? Especially considering that most politicians get millions/billions from corporations and lobbyist
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
You do realize that most people in power have major conflicts of interest right ? Especially considering that most politicians get millions/billions from corporations and lobbyist
That's not how it works.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 11, 2016, 03:06:27 PM
That's not how it works.
Oh I forgot, politics isnt corrupt.
Post by: guinness77 on December 11, 2016, 03:26:34 PM
Recent interview Fitz gave regarding his contract and this season's performance.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2016, 05:22:15 PM
Johnson is a very good owner. This has been a rough stretch for us, but the team has been competitive under him for the most part.He's a very good owner? I don't think he's as bad as some people say, but he's no better than average.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 12, 2016, 03:17:32 AM
Even if I don't say freak Woody, he's not a very good owner. He's meh.
Post by: Pope on December 12, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 12, 2016, 09:43:22 AM
Post by: Pope on December 12, 2016, 09:46:15 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 12, 2016, 09:55:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 12, 2016, 11:12:40 AM
There's so much rumor of him being the Steinbrenneresque figure responsible for guys like Favre, Tebow, and backing up a Brinks truck for Revis. Let your football people run your football operations.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 12, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2016, 12:03:26 PM
here's what i do know...he wants to win, he cares about the fans, admits when he needs help after making a mistake (ie Idzik).
ill always respect him for visiting our tailgate and emptying his wallet into Chris's donation jar.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 12, 2016, 12:19:30 PM
ill always respect him for visiting our tailgate and emptying his wallet into Chris's donation jar.
Yeah that was pretty cool
Post by: Pope on December 12, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 12, 2016, 12:31:35 PM
Is a new owner going to change anything?
Doubtful. People said all the same things about Hess.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 12, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
Post by: Tommy on December 12, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
if he picked up that ambassador position, he wouldn't actually have to sell the team, would he? he just wouldn't be allowed to be involved in our day-to-day operations anymore
He owns the team. He would just have to give up day to day operations. Hell, it might actually help.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 12, 2016, 01:36:14 PM
He owns the team. He would just have to give up day to day operations. Hell, it might actually help.
What does he do day to day now?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 12, 2016, 01:58:22 PM
What does he do day to day now?
Wear the same silly white Jets hat.
Post by: Johnny English on December 12, 2016, 02:09:05 PM
What does he do day to day now?
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Post by: Tommy on December 12, 2016, 03:35:51 PM
What does he do day to day now?
Not sure but he's chairman and CEO of the franchise. There's a lot that goes on outside of the field. Ton of front office people to manage.
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 07:58:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2016, 08:01:37 AM
we are the worst coached team in the league so it makes sense.
Rams and Browns fans would disagree
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 08:02:45 AM
Rams and Browns fans would disagree
you know nothing about professional football., if we were talking pee wee I'd come to you for advice.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
you know nothing about professional football., if we were talking pee wee I'd come to you for advice.
Can you please leave your childish bullshit out of this random thread?
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 08:10:22 AM
Can you please leave your childish bullshit out of this random thread?
I can't believe people like you exist.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2016, 08:12:05 AM
I can't believe people like you exist.
I can't believe you spend so much time at Finheaven, but...you do.
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 08:16:04 AM
I can't believe you spend so much time at Finheaven, but...you do.
thank you for being a fan.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2016, 08:22:17 AM
you know nothing about professional football., if we were talking pee wee I'd come to you for advice.
Do us all a favour and stop derailing football discussions with ad hominems please.
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 08:24:06 AM
Do us all a favour and stop derailing football discussions with ad hominems please.
do us all a favor and don't allow mods to derail every thread b/c of his sick fascination with me. read up on what happened this morning please.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2016, 08:25:35 AM
read up on what happened this morning please.
Junc thinks that Chad Henne still plays for Miami
As a valued member of FinHeaven, how do you screw something like that up?
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2016, 08:27:26 AM
do us all a favor and don't allow mods to derail every thread b/c of his sick fascination with me. read up on what happened this morning please.
I have read the board. I don't give a toss what you two get up to in non-football threads but I don't want to read you going at it in every thread, and I don't care about "he started it".
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 08:44:45 AM
Junc thinks that Chad Henne still plays for Miami
As a valued member of FinHeaven, how do you screw something like that up?
stay on topic mod.
Post by: Koz on December 13, 2016, 09:44:25 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
As a excrement-stirrer this is getting annoying for even me
Hahahaha
Post by: Badger on December 13, 2016, 11:36:55 AM
As a cuck this is getting annoying for even me
Post by: Pope on December 13, 2016, 11:38:53 AM
Can you freak my girlfriend please?
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2016, 02:01:50 PM
Always have those ppl that come into the TEN ITEMS OR LESS line with 42 items... why dude
I'm starting to like Bryce Petty.
Post by: Tommy on December 16, 2016, 02:08:58 PM
Bryce Petty @b_petty14 · 3h3 hours ago
Always have those ppl that come into the TEN ITEMS OR LESS line with 42 items... why dude
I'm starting to like Bryce Petty.
How do you know he's buying a gallon of ketchup and lunchables?
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2016, 02:10:45 PM
How do you know he's buying a gallon of ketchup and lunchables?
people over the age of 10 shouldn't be eating lunchables.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 12:58:40 PM
Quote
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Jets non-division 2017 schedule is locked in now.
Home: KC, SD, JAX, CAR, ATL
Away: OAK, DEN, CLE, NO, TB
#nyj
#4-12
Post by: Pope on December 19, 2016, 01:22:03 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2016, 01:24:18 PM
I only feel comfortable marking Cleveland and Jacksonville as potential wins. Figure we steal a game against Miami and Buffalo so 4-12 sounds about right.
If Cleveland get Garoppolo and Garrett this offseason, they're not going to be a bad side at all. They already have some very good pieces.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Not to mention our 2017 second round pick is already on IR.
Post by: Pope on December 19, 2016, 01:27:27 PM
If Cleveland get Garoppolo and Garrett this offseason, they're not going to be a bad side at all. They already have some very good pieces.They're 0-14. I'm not giving any benefit of the doubt just yet.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
We had to rally our as*es off to beat Cleveland and San Francisco this year, and next year our secondary will be a year slower.
Not to mention our 2017 second round pick is already on IR.
our secondary will have a very different look next year.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2016, 02:08:57 PM
Not to mention our 2017 second round pick is already on IR.
This we can agree on. Lol.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
This we can agree on. Lol.
x2
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 02:43:51 PM
@BrianCoz
Bryce Petty somehow is OK after his rib-rattling hit #nyj
3:18 PM - 19 Dec 2016
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Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
While I'm certainly glad he's okay, the best part of the news is that it means we won't have to watch Fitzpatrick again.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 02:53:27 PM
Post by: reuben on December 19, 2016, 02:53:41 PM
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Bryce Petty somehow is OK after his rib-rattling hit #nyj
3:18 PM - 19 Dec 2016
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I think that's the hardest quarterback hit I've ever seen. Bart Scott destroying Ben Roethlisberger on a blindside blitz would be a close second.
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2016, 03:22:47 PM
I can't believe he didn't wind up with a broken rib. That was just awful to watch.
Obviously it's because Miami players are soft cunts.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2016, 03:32:26 PM
Obviously it's because Miami players are soft cunts.
Hahaha, perhaps!
I did see Wake said after the game that he hoped Petty was okay, which was pretty cool. And Suh didn't step on Petty's head while he was down, so that's as close to an "I hope you're alright" as you're going to get from him.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 20, 2016, 09:02:40 AM
Would be nice to give him some experience/film that he can build on over the offseason, and if he's not ready for that then it bodes extremely poorly for his future
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 20, 2016, 09:04:32 AM
Anyone think Hackenberg could get on the field at all week 17?
Would be nice to give him some experience/film that he can build on over the offseason, and if he's not ready for that then it bodes extremely poorly for his future
After reading this, my forecast is that if he plays a snap on week 17 he will be great. Otherwise, he will be a bust for the ages.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 20, 2016, 09:11:16 AM
After reading this, my forecast is that if he plays a snap on week 17 he will be great. Otherwise, he will be a bust for the ages.
It's got nothing to do with great or bad.
He's a developmental guy. Let him go out there for a game, and see what he's gotta develop
Post by: Miamipuck on December 20, 2016, 09:24:04 AM
It's got nothing to do with great or bad.
He's a developmental guy. Let him go out there for a game, and see what he's gotta develop
Uh no it's a freaking stupid idea.
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2016, 09:25:34 AM
It's got nothing to do with great or bad.
He's a developmental guy. Let him go out there for a game, and see what he's gotta develop
I really freaking hate it when fans say this excrement.
The reason you want this to happen has nothing to do with Hackenberg, and everything to do with your own curiosity and the wild hope that somehow a player you've never seen play before is going to step onto the field and somehow magically freaking transform into the next coming of Joe Montana.
The reality is that player development in any elite level of sport is a process, a very long process that is managed closely every step of the way by highly paid and hugely experienced coaching staff. They do not need to put a developmental player into the field of play in a meaningless end of season game in order to "see what they've got". They know exactly what they've got. If he is ready to see the NFL field then they'll put him out there, but given he has never dressed for a game and has almost certainly had next to no practice reps with the first team, the idea that a refusal to chuck him in the deep end constitutes evidence that he's a bust of a player is asinine and ignorant.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 20, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
Petty got obliterated last week and whoever plays these last two weeks is going to get similar beatings.
Post by: Pope on December 20, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 20, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
I don't think it'd be the worst thing in the world to put Hackenberg out there week 17. Both teams will be eliminated from the playoffs by then, would be interesting to see how he looks.
What if Darius pulls down Hackenberg's pants and fucks him in the pooper after a sack on national TV?
what will that do to his psyche? He can't play that game.
Post by: Pope on December 20, 2016, 10:59:08 AM
What if Darius pulls down Hackenberg's pants and fucks him in the pooper after a sack on national TV?I'm all for it
what will that do to his psyche? He can't play that game.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2016, 11:13:51 AM
Unless he's going in at garbage time to just hand it off or is needed in an emergency due to 2 QBs going down, just wait til next year in my book.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 11:17:08 AM
The case against Hackenberg playing this year is that he was already mentally wrecked at Penn State. Putting him out there behind a putrid o-line with limited knowledge of the offense to get crushed by other teams will not help his situation any. At least next year, he'll have a full offseason to get more than 4th string reps and possibly rework his mechanics.
Unless he's going in at garbage time to just hand it off or is needed in an emergency due to 2 QBs going down, just wait til next year in my book.
There's just not enough snaps left to get a fair look at two guys. We've come this far to get Petty in there, after this season we're only going to have these two on the roster. Hackenberg will have his chance unless Petty just takes off and runs away with the job, which would be awesome.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2016, 07:05:49 PM
http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/12/22/brandon-marshall-talks-winning-with-jets-joining-patriots-per-report/
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2016, 07:24:44 PM
This should not even be a discussion.Guy certainly says all the right things. Hard to root against him.
http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/12/22/brandon-marshall-talks-winning-with-jets-joining-patriots-per-report/
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2016, 11:12:44 AM
Post by: Pope on December 25, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 25, 2016, 12:16:18 PM
Bilal Powell leads the NFL in rushing yards per carry (min. 100 rushes) at 5.50.
Really now I thought this was accurate :
Powell sucks balls that is why you never see him. Im shocked he is still on the team really.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 25, 2016, 01:38:54 PM
Bilal Powell leads the NFL in rushing yards per carry (min. 100 rushes) at 5.50.
I legitimately think that he should be a trade chip this offseason. He probably has the second highest trade value of anyone on this roster aside from Richardson.
If we are in legit burn it down mode, we should trade him. He won't be any good in two more years when we are ready to compete again, and an extra third can be used as a replacement back, or as a young TE or a young safety who might become a viable leader in the back end of the defense
Post by: Pope on December 25, 2016, 02:36:43 PM
I legitimately think that he should be a trade chip this offseason. He probably has the second highest trade value of anyone on this roster aside from Richardson.You're right but I don't think he holds a lot of value.
If we are in legit burn it down mode, we should trade him. He won't be any good in two more years when we are ready to compete again, and an extra third can be used as a replacement back, or as a young TE or a young safety who might become a viable leader in the back end of the defense
Post by: Miamipuck on December 25, 2016, 03:04:28 PM
You're right but I don't think he holds a lot of value.
He really doesn't.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2016, 03:20:30 PM
The guy is a solid player and good value, but I think even a 4th for him may be his ceiling.
Pryor, Richardson, maybe even Decker and Marshall are more valuable trade chips
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 25, 2016, 03:42:23 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
He's also 29. Not happening, but that makes me think that we won't go RB in the first round.
You don't go RB in the first round when you don't have an offensive line
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2016, 11:44:14 PM
He's also 29. Not happening, but that makes me think that we won't go RB in the first round.You're right for the reason why he has no trade value. 29-year old running backs who have no track record to speak of have no trade value. If he were 25 years old, under a similar contract, and with similar production, we could definitely get a 4th for him. Not now.
And Powell is exactly why we will NOT go RB in the 1st round. Forte is under contract. Powell is under contract. I liked what I saw out of Khiry Robinson in limited time. Forte, Powell, and a 3rd RB will be fine for us next season. Unless the value is unbelievable, I wouldn't go RB until the 3rd round at the earliest.
There's nothing wrong with Powell and Forte as our RB duo next season. The only issue is whether or not the Jets will use Powell to his full ability, because when Forte was healthy, Powell was barely used. The Jets need to give Powell a big role at RB next season. He and Forte are good on running and passing downs - there's no reason both can't rotate in both roles. Powell should be 1A, Forte should be 1B.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 26, 2016, 08:21:24 AM
You don't go RB in the first round when you don't have an offensive line
Before repeating what you've read somewhere else, please analyze a little bit. This year we've been the 13th best rushing offense in the league and that without having a proper QB. If our offensive line has done something well, it's been opening lanes.
Post by: insanity on December 26, 2016, 08:48:29 AM
If he were 25 years old, under a similar contract, and with similar production, we could definitely get a 4th for him. Not now.
Why do we consistently over exaggerate the trade value of our players? No one would give you a 4th even if he was 25. Whatever you think a players value is drop them a round and a half lower and thats their true value.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
Before repeating what you've read somewhere else, please analyze a little bit. This year we've been the 13th best rushing offense in the league and that without having a proper QB. If our offensive line has done something well, it's been opening lanes.
You do realize that the majority of our offensive line either sucks or is older/oft injured/overpaid
Which means major changes are inevitable. The OL will look very different next year, hopefully because of trades
Post by: Pope on December 26, 2016, 09:09:20 AM
Post by: Tommy on December 26, 2016, 10:26:44 AM
This team is going to likely be in 4-12 territory for another year or two. Have much bigger holes to fill than RB right now.
Gotta take care of the trenches first. The offensive line in 2009-2010 were a big reason why a guy like Sanchez was able to get us to the AFC Championship.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2016, 10:37:33 AM
Gotta take care of the trenches first. The offensive line in 2009-2010 were a big reason why a guy like Sanchez was able to get us to the AFC Championship.
Maccagnan needs to spend some money on the OL.
Brian Winters needs to be re-signed and we absolutely need to go get a tackle or two.
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 26, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
Dak wouldn't be seen as steal without that line and running game protecting him.
Dak Prescott would be absolutely garbage if he played for the Jets.
People can say what they want about Jerry Jones, but he figured it out somewhere along the way and built that team well. It's set up perfectly for skill position players to thrive.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 26, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 26, 2016, 11:41:17 AM
still remember drafting brick and mangold in the first round, and everybody, fans and analysts alike, were saying how great those moves were, how it's the proper way to go about building a team, how it sets us up for success in the future etc etc etc.....and we did absolutely fvck all with it. just seems like it was all such a waste of a time period, and a definite downer to think about it unfolding the way it did.
It sucks now but we were a vintage Peyton 2nd half and then a few big Ben amazing plays to avoid sacks away from going to a Superbowl in the middle of it. This isn't the only team that built the right way and didn't end up with a Superbowl to show for it.
Post by: Tommy on December 26, 2016, 11:52:05 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 26, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
Why do we consistently over exaggerate the trade value of our players? No one would give you a 4th even if he was 25. Whatever you think a players value is drop them a round and a half lower and thats their true value.Chris Ivory was 25 years old when the Jets traded a 4th-round pick to get him. If Powell were averaging 5.5 yards per carry as a 25-year old, I think he would have been worth a 4th- or 5th-round pick.
Post by: insanity on December 27, 2016, 11:47:05 AM
Chris Ivory was 25 years old when the Jets traded a 4th-round pick to get him. If Powell were averaging 5.5 yards per carry as a 25-year old, I think he would have been worth a 4th- or 5th-round pick.
Ivory was a player who could be the focal point of an offense on a run first team. Go back and watch his highlight film. You were paying a 4th for the potential that he could be a workhorse that could carry your team and be a threat whenever he touched the ball.
Even at his prime now, Powell coukd never be that. I love the guy, but he's no better than a Pierre Thomas in New Orleans 5 years ago. You dont get much value for those players
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 27, 2016, 12:00:06 PM
Well we did have a 3 year window. We just couldn't push through.
Push through? We attempted to open it, and there was broken glass everywhere and it eviscerated us.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2016, 12:07:20 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 27, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2016, 12:48:08 PM
Powell and Forte I think are both signed for another year or two. That will do fine while we put a line together, unless some top notch RB like Elliott falls into our lap.That's the key - they're both under contract. RB is a position rookies can come in and perform right away. Some need time, but it's one of the easier plug-and-play positions in the draft. I still would look to target someone in the middle rounds because it's a very deep class, but there's nobody I would draft in the top 6.
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2016, 01:34:49 PM
Before repeating what you've read somewhere else, please analyze a little bit. This year we've been the 13th best rushing offense in the league and that without having a proper QB. If our offensive line has done something well, it's been opening lanes.
Sorry, the eye test simply doesn't support that. The only consistent lane has been created by Winters pulling. We're lucky to have two backs with good vision who can identify and use small gaps, but the line absolutely hasn't made lanes this season.
Post by: Pope on December 27, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
That's the key - they're both under contract. RB is a position rookies can come in and perform right away. Some need time, but it's one of the easier plug-and-play positions in the draft. I still would look to target someone in the middle rounds because it's a very deep class, but there's nobody I would draft in the top 6.I agree, maybe not with such a late-round pick though. I think it's bad value for us to take a RB in the start of the first round but I'm all for taking one rounds 2 thru 4.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2016, 06:51:01 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 27, 2016, 06:52:21 PM
Looks like the worst draft position we can get, even if the Jets win, is 6 (I think, not sure). I think we might could go up to 4 if the right teams win and we don't. freak it, I'd rather pull for the Jets to win.
We're all set up for a project tight end.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2016, 05:21:35 PM
I agree, maybe not with such a late-round pick though. I think it's bad value for us to take a RB in the start of the first round but I'm all for taking one rounds 2 thru 4.
Even second round I'd rather us go for an interior offensive line guy.
It's way too early for us to go RB. We have much more pressing needs.
Post by: Tommy on December 28, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
We're all set up for a project tight end.
Woooo another Anthony Becht!
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2016, 04:07:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2016, 08:31:54 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18375089/darrelle-revis-says-new-york-jets-show-class-retain-him
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2016, 09:54:23 AM
This a great start to offseason negotiations:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18375089/darrelle-revis-says-new-york-jets-show-class-retain-him
freak Revis. He should show some class and offer to take a paycut. He just spent a year stealing $17M. poopchute.
Post by: Pope on December 30, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 30, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 30, 2016, 11:55:42 AM
'show class' could very well mean 'i want to stay here until i retire so please don't just outright cut me, let's talk about my contract and see if we can work something out that both sides are good with, because i still want to be here'. did his comments mean this? i don't know, but i don't think you could tell either way
the headline looked ominous but it was a pretty empty article with not much substance in it tbh
Post by: Tommy on December 30, 2016, 12:12:51 PM
i don't think we could really tell from that article or those comments whether 'show class' means 'don't ask me for a paycut'
'show class' could very well mean 'i want to stay here until i retire so please don't just outright cut me, let's talk about my contract and see if we can work something out that both sides are good with, because i still want to be here'. did his comments mean this? i don't know, but i don't think you could tell either way
the headline looked ominous but it was a pretty empty article with not much substance in it tbh
I took it as him asking for a paycut, but this is revis we're talking about so I highly doubt it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2016, 12:40:53 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2016, 02:01:23 PM
Open market will decide his price, probably as a safety. I'm ok with us paying a bit more than his next best offer, but we don't need to break the bank for him.I don't even care as long as it isn't $15 million. I don't really care about his money antics. I think he's over the hill, but he is decent enough for a roster spot to me. I'd rather have him than Skrine. Just renegotiate and try to pay him close to the $6 million he's already getting anyway. If he won't, cut him. He has little to no leverage. Let him give his best effort at being a safety or a 2nd corner for another year or move on. No one in their right mind thinks he will be getting his scheduled salary next year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 30, 2016, 02:07:40 PM
I don't even care as long as it isn't $15 million. I don't really care about his money antics. I think he's over the hill, but he is decent enough for a roster spot to me. I'd rather have him than Skrine. Just renegotiate and try to pay him close to the $6 million he's already getting anyway. If he won't, cut him. He has little to no leverage. Let him give his best effort at being a safety or a 2nd corner for another year or move on. No one in their right mind thinks he will be getting his scheduled salary next year.His comments are his leverage. Making it seem like the Jets are doing him a disservice by cutting him is his only leverage.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2016, 02:16:16 PM
I don't even care as long as it isn't $15 million. I don't really care about his money antics. I think he's over the hill, but he is decent enough for a roster spot to me. I'd rather have him than Skrine. Just renegotiate and try to pay him close to the $6 million he's already getting anyway. If he won't, cut him. He has little to no leverage. Let him give his best effort at being a safety or a 2nd corner for another year or move on. No one in their right mind thinks he will be getting his scheduled salary next year.
His lackluster play gives me the impression he's mailed it in. He has his ring, he's swindled enough money for 2 or 3 lifetimes...he should do us all a favor and just retire. I wouldn't trust him to give 100% on the field anymore.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
We're already paying him $6M next year even if he never plays another snap. freak him.
He has offset language in his contract, so we're only paying him $6M if he doesn't find another team - which he will regardless of how badly he has played this year, because he's still Darrelle Revis.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 30, 2016, 02:44:27 PM
His lackluster play gives me the impression he's mailed it in. He has his ring, he's swindled enough money for 2 or 3 lifetimes...he should do us all a favor and just retire. I wouldn't trust him to give 100% on the field anymore.That's the problem - does Revis have enough class to give a excrement on the field anymore? Or to show up to camp in shape?
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2016, 02:48:40 PM
That's the problem - does Revis have enough class to give a excrement on the field anymore? Or to show up to camp in shape?
I'm leaning towards no.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2016, 03:27:23 PM
He has offset language in his contract, so we're only paying him $6M if he doesn't find another team - which he will regardless of how badly he has played this year, because he's still Darrelle Revis.Even then, no other team will pay him more than the vet minimum because either way he can't double dip. The only way it would matter much would be if there was some sort of bidding war amongst other teams for his services above $6 million. Realistically we will only be able to recoup about $1 million from whoever else pays him
The Jets are probably his only reasonable chance to get paid anything more than $6 million.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2017, 09:31:31 PM
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
The #NYG and #NYJ offenses were separated by 23 yards in total offense in '16. NYG (25th overall) had 5291 total yards. NYJ (26th) had 5268.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2017, 11:15:13 PM
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports
The #NYG and #NYJ offenses were separated by 23 yards in total offense in '16. NYG (25th overall) had 5291 total yards. NYJ (26th) had 5268.
Such a classy offense
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2017, 05:15:37 AM
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports
The #NYG and #NYJ offenses were separated by 23 yards in total offense in '16. NYG (25th overall) had 5291 total yards. NYJ (26th) had 5268.
And what's the offensive points scored differential? I'd bet there is a huge disparity here.
Post by: Pope on January 03, 2017, 08:06:43 AM
And what's the offensive points scored differential? I'd bet there is a huge disparity here.Probably a good amount, I know the Jets were the 32nd ranked red zone offense going into week 17
Post by: Tommy on January 03, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
Probably a good amount, I know the Jets were the 32nd ranked red zone offense going into week 17
Weren't we like top 5 in the red zone last season? Can't believe how things can change so quickly.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
Weren't we like top 5 in the red zone last season? Can't believe how things can change so quickly.
Losing Decker is the most underrated problem of the season.
Post by: casman02 on January 03, 2017, 06:37:42 PM
Brandon Marshall with an interesting analogy for the Jets' 5-11 season: "The best way I can describe it is, having a diaper on and never changing it. And just sitting in that diaper the whole year. That's how our year was. It was a bad year." (Courtesy: Inside the NFL, Showtime.)
Post by: Miamipuck on January 03, 2017, 07:06:32 PM
Rich Cimini
Brandon Marshall with an interesting analogy for the Jets' 5-11 season: "The best way I can describe it is, having a diaper on and never changing it. And just sitting in that diaper the whole year. That's how our year was. It was a bad year." (Courtesy: Inside the NFL, Showtime.)
Sounds like a Pope fetish.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2017, 09:33:59 PM
Rich Cimini
Brandon Marshall with an interesting analogy for the Jets' 5-11 season: "The best way I can describe it is, having a diaper on and never changing it. And just sitting in that diaper the whole year. That's how our year was. It was a bad year." (Courtesy: Inside the NFL, Showtime.)
Perfect analogy
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 04, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
Post by: Pope on January 04, 2017, 09:49:15 AM
I don't give a excrement what dickheads like Sheldon think of Marshall, I adore the guy and I hope he plays here for a few more years.Sheldon was roommates with Michael Sam for too long. He learned this faggotry through osmosis
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2017, 10:31:49 AM
Woody Johnson: We're going to build the team through the draft. We'll use the draft primarily and FA/trades judiciously.
good
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2017, 10:36:48 AM
Eric Allen @eallenjets · 26m26 minutes ago
Woody Johnson: We're going to build the team through the draft. We'll use the draft primarily and FA/trades judiciously.
good
No matter the results, he needs to commit to the rebuild.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
No matter the results, he needs to commit to the rebuild.
Duff needs to hit a few HRs in the draft. His 2016 draft was pretty good, compared to what we're used to.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2017, 10:41:42 AM
...compared to what we're used to.
Strikeouts and bunt singles.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
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Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes 40m40 minutes ago
Woody Johnson says there is no mandate to make playoff next year. Says mandates don't work. #Jets
Liked hearing this. Stupid to put undue pressure on everyone. Everyone knows they will get fired if they keep losing. No need to rub it in their face.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
Future All-Pro Leonard Williams was a bunt single.
Fielder's choice.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2017, 10:48:33 AM
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KMart_LI: Woody Johnson: “Continuity in some ways allows u to have success bcuz...changing a lot of moving pieces makes it a lot more difficult." #nyj
ok woody you're figuring this excrement out
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2017, 10:58:22 AM
This presumably also means that Bowles is not under any threat for the next year or two, which will upset a couple of our members greatly.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2017, 11:02:21 AM
@BrianCoz
Maccagnan tap dancing around Revis, QB questions #nyj
12:01 PM - 5 Jan 2017
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2017, 11:09:44 AM
@BrianCoz
Maccagnan said Hackenberg has made progress #nyj
12:01 PM - 5 Jan 2017
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Maccagnan: "we like Christian as a prospect." #nyj
12:02 PM - 5 Jan 2017
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2017, 11:15:10 AM
@BrianCoz
Maccagnan won't address whether Sheldon Richardson will be back in 2017 #nyj
12:11 PM - 5 Jan 2017
New York Jets
Verified account
@nyjets
Maccagnan: "We're obviously not happy with our record. But I do think we made some progress [with the youth]."
12:06 PM - 5 Jan 2017
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2017, 11:16:55 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2017, 11:17:32 AM
Get rid of Revis, Marshall, and Richardson. Clean house and build a new culture around Leonard Williams and Quincy Enunwa - the real leaders of this team.And Tanner Purdum.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
Yes. Good things to hear. Hope he sticks to it (or his brother does, if Woody ends up going on holiday to the UK for a couple of years).
This presumably also means that Bowles is not under any threat for the next year or two, which will upset a couple of our members greatly.
Only if the team doesn't show any improvement. Just because he has the support of the owner doesn't mean he's allowed to regress any further.
FTR, I think Woody finally understands what it takes to build a winner with sustainability. Let's hope he's got the right personnel in place to implement it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
FTR, I think Woody finally understands what it takes to build a winner with sustainability.
In other words don't listen to you and keep firing everybody.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
In other words don't listen to you and keep firing everybody.
haha precisely
Post by: Miamipuck on January 05, 2017, 12:18:54 PM
Strikeouts and bunt singles.
I hope you're talking about the old schmucks that ran things, not Duff.
It's going to be fun when you have a gm, that can make decent picks, which it looks like Duff can do.
So far out of his 13 picks, 1 is cut, 2 developmental qb's, Devon Smith and the rest either starting and/or contributing. That's real good considering the first 6 picks were with an entirely different scouting staff that was basically all fired.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
I hope you're talking about the old schmucks that ran things, not Duff.
It's going to be fun when you have a gm, that can make decent picks, which it looks like Duff can do.
So far out of his 13 picks, 1 is cut, 2 developmental qb's, Devon Smith and the rest either starting and/or contributing. That's real good considering the first 6 picks were with an entirely different scouting staff that was basically all fired.
You know me, I include the whole sordid history, sometimes with pictures and commentary.
I like Duff so far, it's too early to fairly judge and certainly too early to say we need to again change the GM. We have to see what happens, and it's going to ultimately depend on what we end up with at QB. I do like the idea of drafting one each year until we get a solid starter in there. Of course doing that means endless discussion about each one, good and bad, what he might do, what he should do, etc etc etc. Gotta live with that.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 19, 2017, 07:10:20 PM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/01/ex-jets_star_mark_gastineau_says_he_has_signs_of_d.html#incart_river_index
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 27, 2017, 04:22:22 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170127/66b3ebf8ec820065461315a77cb331b7.jpg)
And que the NY Media saying Lee can't handle the pressures of NY
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2017, 07:54:40 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170127/66b3ebf8ec820065461315a77cb331b7.jpg)
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/hbal.gif)
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
And que the NY Media saying Lee can't handle the pressures of NYCue
Post by: Miamipuck on January 27, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
And que the NY Media saying Lee can't handle the pressures of NY
Kew
Post by: Pope on January 27, 2017, 11:48:20 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2017, 11:49:42 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 27, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 27, 2017, 01:06:17 PM
It's a long off season. If he doesn't shoot anyone outside the strip club between now and camp we're good.
what if he stabs someone?
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
what if he stabs someone?
That's fine as long as he finds a restaurant dumpster to dispose of his suit.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 27, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
what if he stabs someone?
If he gets the blood off his suit he's good to go. Ray Lewis is in the Hall of Fame, no?
Post by: Miamipuck on January 27, 2017, 06:32:54 PM
That's fine as long as he finds a restaurant dumpster to dispose of his suit.
Applebee's?
If he gets the blood off his suit he's good to go. Ray Lewis is in the Hall of Fame, no?
Stabby McStab didn't stab anyone, it was an accident, the guy fell on the knife 5 times .
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2017, 09:30:59 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article130428464.html
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2017, 09:42:09 AM
Post by: steves850 on February 03, 2017, 09:45:17 AM
Cotchery done playing. I will still keep wearing his jersey.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article130428464.html
I'll always have a soft spot for Jerricho. Dude was fun to watch in the green & white.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
I'll always have a soft spot for Jerricho. Dude was fun to watch in the green & white.
I am still pissed they let him walk. It's one of the reasons I began to despise Rex. Cotchery should never ever have been marginalized for worse talent and even worse personalities/people. That was the beginning of the downfall of his regime and the Jets in general.
Post by: Johnny English on February 03, 2017, 11:05:21 AM
I am still pissed they let him walk. It's one of the reasons I began to despise Rex. Cotchery should never ever have been marginalized for worse talent and even worse personalities/people. That was the beginning of the downfall of his regime and the Jets in general.
But if we hadn't let him walk, we'd never have had the joy of watching Derrick Mason screaming at Schotty on the sidelines. What fun times those were.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2017, 11:19:13 AM
But if we hadn't let him walk, we'd never have had the joy of watching Derrick Mason screaming at Schotty on the sidelines. What fun times those were.
Lol he lasted 6 games before the Jets tapped out on him?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 16, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
So we're just folding up the tent, waiting until Brady is 45 and hoping we're good in the 2020s. Good plan. I'll take my vitamins and work on living that long.We don't even have a tent.
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 16, 2017, 01:00:16 PM
We don't even have a tent.
Damn.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 16, 2017, 07:51:36 PM
With the Jets expected to dump a lot of vets onto the free agent market this offseason, if they choose to go younger and not sign a ton of free agents, they could be in line for a nice haul in compensatory picks in 2018. Not that anyone should base player selection on that solely, but it could work out as an added bonus to going younger.
You don't get comp picks for cutting guys. Only if they walk on expiring deals. In our case I don't know that we have many.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
You don't get comp picks for cutting guys. Only if they walk on expiring deals. In our case I don't know that we have many.What was I thinking....That was stupid.
Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
What was I thinking....That was stupid.
Yeah even I knew that.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 08:20:11 PM
Yeah even I knew that.Haha. poopchute.
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2017, 08:34:41 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 18, 2017, 05:34:30 AM
Fitz, Clady and Geno are our biggest free agents, and no one is giving any of them much in the way of a new contract. They'll all find jobs, but not well paid ones (in NFL terms).
Does Clady even count since we declined his option?
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2017, 09:49:36 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2017, 09:52:04 AM
Does Clady even count since we declined his option?I think JE is right.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/13/some-teams-are-using-option-years-to-enhance-compensatory-draft-picks/
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2017, 08:32:14 AM
lolololol
freaking Manish responded to Hobbes' dumb derriere tweet
Post by: Miamipuck on March 28, 2017, 08:42:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-mailbag-maccagnan-rebuilding-plan-powell-future-article-1.3010240
lolololol
freaking Manish responded to Hobbes' dumb derriere tweet
haha. How the hell has Manish not banned him yet? He bans anyone that remotely offends him.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2017, 09:33:28 AM
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Rich Cimini
Bowles says he expects Devin Smith to be in the mix at WR. Hints that Jalin Marshall's suspension could hurt place on depth chart. #Jets
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2017, 09:39:18 AM
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Kimberley A. Martin
Q: Do you expect Sheldon Richardson to be on 2017 roster?
Bowles: I expect all the guys to be on the roster right now
Yeah, he's gone.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2017, 09:42:03 AM
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Eric Allen
Todd Bowles calls David Harris a warrior, credits his durability. Tells reporters that he will again be the Jets' Mike 'backer. #Jets
I don't know if this makes much of a difference in Reuben Foster being an option in the first round for the Jets, but maybe makes it a little less likely. I doubt they will draft him in the first round and sit him.
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
https://twitter.com/CLoprestiWFAN/status/854688568719101952/photo/1
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2017, 03:53:43 PM
Slightly odd choice of words.
https://twitter.com/CLoprestiWFAN/status/854688568719101952/photo/1
I've probably heard/read as much from Lopresti as anyone here, and it was alluded to on more than one occasion that he was not compensated well for this job, if barely at all. No idea how their structure is set up, but I'm not even sure if it was his primary job responsibility.
I remember one time specifically Joe and Evan joking around (but the story was true) about how when Lopresti started he would have to go to the Jets training facility on his own time (before his work hours I think) and how he didn't have a press pass and would have to hope to get let in half the time.
He was excellent at his job but it always sounded like there wasn't a lot of priority placed on it by the company. Weird wording either way.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2017, 10:28:04 AM
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/250816355-story
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Federal authorities are running nuclear response drills at MetLife Stadium in northern New Jersey.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2017, 11:25:15 AM
Post by: casman02 on May 14, 2017, 10:58:37 AM
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Thanks for the mothers day date night and the meat that came with it.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 14, 2017, 11:44:02 AM
Post by: Koz on May 15, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
You know that you're getting old when you also admire the iron work on the stairs and curvature of the moulding.
Or gay if you're admiring the stairs instead of decker's wife's butthole
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 15, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
Or gay if you're admiring the stairs instead of decker's wife's butthole
Really, Koz, bro.
Post by: sg3 on May 15, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
Slightly odd choice of words.
https://twitter.com/CLoprestiWFAN/status/854688568719101952/photo/1
Maybe they can hire him back to do afternoon drive time after the fat stupid boring pig retires later this year
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2017, 12:36:37 PM
Maybe they can hire him back to do afternoon drive time after the fat stupid boring pig retires later this year
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YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH OR ILL PUT YOU IN A NURSING HOME
Post by: Miamipuck on May 15, 2017, 12:54:09 PM
YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH OR ILL PUT YOU IN A NURSING HOME
Newsflash, he's already in one.
Post by: sg3 on May 15, 2017, 01:06:20 PM
YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH OR ILL PUT YOU IN A NURSING HOMEGFY 1
Newsflash, he's already in one.GFY 2
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Post by: Miamipuck on May 15, 2017, 01:22:08 PM
GFY 1GFY 2
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I will wear mine like a badge of honor, gfy around here is like saying," how you doing?".
Post by: WD40 on May 15, 2017, 01:28:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 15, 2017, 01:31:31 PM
On a lighter note, TMZ reports Terricka Cromartie is pregnant with Antonio Cromartie's 14th child. Reportedly, Antonio has had a vasectomy ... if true, the man's sperm is downright invincible.
Or, y'know. Not his.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 15, 2017, 02:01:49 PM
On a lighter note, TMZ reports Terricka Cromartie is pregnant with Antonio Cromartie's 14th child. Reportedly, Antonio has had a vasectomy ... if true, the man's sperm is downright invincible.
link (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cromartie%E2%80%99s-wife-announces-she%E2%80%99s-pregnant-with-his-14th-child/ar-BBBakTr?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp)
He's going to need a depth chart for his dinner table.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 15, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Quote
Brian Costello
Verified account (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/864204851114323969)
@BrianCoz
Following
Starting to think maybe the Mets doctors performed Cro’s vasectomy
3:44 PM - 15 May 2017
LOL
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2017, 04:12:28 PM
LOLHahahaha
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2017, 09:25:08 AM
Quote
Put your name on it – punk! Dan Leberfeld
NFL Network personality Daniel Jeremiah quoted an unnamed NFL executive saying, “I think the Jets might have the worst roster I’ve seen in a decade.”
First of all, why is the league’s own network crapping on the Jets, hurting their business? Aren’t the Jets partners in this network?
Secondly, why doesn’t this punk executive put his name on the quote? Did this executive, who clearly lacks integrity, go over every roster, for every team, over the last decade, before reaching this conclusion? Unless this genius did that, his theory is intellectually bankrupt.
Look, I have no idea how the Jets are going to do this year. I’m not Nostradamus. I don’t have a crystal ball.
And neither does the coward executive behind this quote.
Jetswhispers lover of the older lady!!!
Post by: Fenwyr on June 07, 2017, 09:39:52 AM
The Browns at the very least, have certainly had worse rosters a few times over the last decade.
When you have one of the best defensive lines in football...
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 07, 2017, 10:58:48 AM
Dan Leberfeld fired up.
Jetswhispers lover of the older lady!!!
Leberfeld is on his own personal war with all media lately. The only guy he seems to actually like/respect is Schefter.
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 10:27:27 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714244-tanking-guessing-flailing-bumbling-rebuilding-jets-style
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
I don't have a problem with anything the front office has done so far except that they could have been more respectful in handling the release of Harris and Mangold.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
I don't know who Mike Tanier is but he just became my least favourite NFL writer, and there's some strong competition for that title. This article is every kind of stupid:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714244-tanking-guessing-flailing-bumbling-rebuilding-jets-style
Rotoworld's tank article was just as bad.
"they are tanking for lamar jackson!"
Post by: Miamipuck on June 08, 2017, 10:37:03 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 10:49:50 AM
1) It's kind of true. At least, they don't necessarily "care" about losing this year because it's a teardown rebuilding year.
2) It's June. What do NFL writers really have to do right now? It's articles like that, or Manish tallying the number of incomplete passes Hackenberg throws.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: @BrianCoz
Starting to work on my Jets roster top 25 for the summer. Give me your top 5 players (no rookies). #nyj
I came up with:
1) Leonard Williams
2) Sheldon Richardson
3) Mohammed Wilkerson
4) Quincy Enunwa
5) everyone else
And added that if you twisted my arm I'd pick between McClendon and Winters for #5.
Holy excrement this roster is bad. If the young guys don't pan out, this team is going to be a laughingstock for years.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2017, 11:14:27 AM
1. Dylan Donahue
2. Dylan Donahue
3. Dylan Donahue
4. Dylan Donahue
5. Dylan Donahue.
He spits hot fire.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 11:22:54 AM
Top 5:
1. Dylan Donahue
2. Dylan Donahue
3. Dylan Donahue
4. Dylan Donahue
5. Dylan Donahue.
He spits hot fire.
No rookies allowed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 11:23:34 AM
I really think Jordan Jenkins will be one of our better players this season
I keep forgetting about him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
I came up with:
1) Leonard Williams
2) Sheldon Richardson
3) Mohammed Wilkerson
4) Quincy Enunwa
5) everyone else
And added that if you twisted my arm I'd pick between McClendon and Winters for #5.
Holy excrement this roster is bad. If the young guys don't pan out, this team is going to be a laughingstock for years.
Hopefully Darron Lee finds his way in there. I would probably go with Carpenter or Kelvin Beachum at 5. Morris Claiborne if he stays healthy.
Your point is valid though. This roster is devoid of talent.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 01:03:25 PM
Hopefully Darron Lee finds his way in there. I would probably go with Carpenter or Kelvin Beachum at 5. Morris Claiborne if he stays healthy.
Your point is valid though. This roster is devoid of talent.
It would be nice if Lee (and Davis) made it in there. For that, Mauldin too.
I thought about Beachum, but he's yet to play a snap for the team. Carpenter is fair if Winters is. Claiborne has to make it through week 8 to even start talking about him.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Other than the OL being a mystery, QB, WR2, CB2, the roster isn't terrible. It's just tough to evaluate because everyone is so inexperienced.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 08, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
1. Leonard
2. Mo
3. Carpenter
4. Sheldon
5. Bilal Powell
6. Quincy Enunwa
7. Brian Winters
8. Steve McLendon
9. Buster Skrine
10. Morris Clairborne
11. Demario Davis
12. Josh McCown
13. Darron Lee
14. Matt Forte
15. Kelvin Beachum
16. Wesley Johnson
17. Robby Anderson
18. Jordan Jenkins
19. Deon Simon
20. Juston Burris
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2017, 02:54:15 PM
21. Tanner Purdum
FYP.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 04:19:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 08, 2017, 04:30:58 PM
I know we are leaving out rookies, but I know 2, and up to 4-5 could be starters by the end of the year.Yeah, I would assume that at least 2-3 of our rookies would crack my list, but it seems unfair to put them there without having seen them at all in an actual game.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2017, 04:36:01 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
Jamal Adams is instantly one of the five best players on this teamWithout seeing him take a snap in the NFL, I have him chillin at the top with Mo and Williams.
If we're wrong, we are so screwed.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 18, 2017, 11:32:26 PM
Larry Grantham has died at age 78
Ban, that should be in the obituary column.
Post by: sg3 on June 19, 2017, 03:42:43 AM
I don't know who Mike Tanier is but he just became my least favourite NFL writer, and there's some strong competition for that title. This article is every kind of stupid:A truly moronic article from a new member of the Cimini-Mehta school of hack "journalists"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714244-tanking-guessing-flailing-bumbling-rebuilding-jets-style
They at least write for things like the NYDN and ESPN...this guy writes for the dopey Bleacher Report
Sorry to see Larry Grantham passed away, though
RIP
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Post by: Italian Seafood on June 19, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
Larry Grantham has died at age 78
Saw that.
We have an obituary column? Is our 2017 season in there yet?
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2017, 10:48:06 AM
Saw that.
We have an obituary column? Is our 2017 season in there yet?
Bowles' tenure with the Jets will be the next entry.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2017, 10:50:47 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 19, 2017, 10:55:14 AM
Brighter news, Leonard Williams will TURN 23 tomorrow. Ridiculous to be that good so early. Give him all the money as soon as the NFL allows.
Leonard and I have something in common, we're both that good so early. I hope he doesn't flame out in two days like I did.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2017, 10:58:00 AM
Leonard and I have something in common, we're both that good so early. I hope he doesn't flame out in two days like I did.
I also hope he doesn't have to duct tape his knee back on after walking to the gas station.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 20, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
#nyj #2018
Post by: bojanglesman on July 20, 2017, 12:45:48 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 20, 2017, 01:01:23 PM
We might be able to get OJ in for a tryout if the people hearing goes well.
Yeah, stick it to Buffalo!
#BringBackRex
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
Post by: sg3 on September 08, 2017, 08:39:34 PM
http://deadspin.com/okay-seriously-whats-going-on-with-antonio-cromarties-1802708762Author of article
Tom LEY
now THAT'S funny!
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Post by: Badger on September 17, 2017, 04:38:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2017, 05:21:53 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
Jesus, I'm living in the wrong thread.
Dumbass
Post by: bojanglesman on September 18, 2017, 05:12:17 PM
Jets Linebacker Trashes ESPN on Twitter for Being Clickbait
I like Jordan Jenkins more now.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 18, 2017, 07:22:46 PM
http://www.12up.com/posts/5556843-jets-linebacker-trashes-espn-on-twitter-for-being-clickbait
Jets Linebacker Trashes ESPN on Twitter for Being Clickbait
I like Jordan Jenkins more now.
ESPN is a freaking mess and has been for years, freak them
Post by: bojanglesman on September 21, 2017, 10:55:16 AM
Quote
Brian Costello
Source confirms Jets signed DE David Bass, as @RapSheet said. They cut OLB Freddie Bishop #nyj
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2017, 11:34:13 AM
Not that Bishop was doing anything, but how many defensive ends does this team need to run a 3-4?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 21, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Not that Bishop was doing anything, but how many defensive ends does this team need to run a 3-4?He'd be an OLB here I think.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2017, 11:45:23 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2017, 11:51:08 AM
He'd be an OLB here I think.
I was being a bit sarcastic. It just seems like this team brings in a new DE every other week.
Post by: Jumbo on September 21, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 22, 2017, 05:56:00 AM
Dunno if any of you saw this in the pre-game before Oakland but it's pretty damn good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anSm3C61owU
Why is Sanchez always so pretty?
Lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2017, 08:10:27 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on September 22, 2017, 09:28:34 AM
Dunno if any of you saw this in the pre-game before Oakland but it's pretty damn good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anSm3C61owUThat's pretty good.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2017, 10:03:21 AM
#GetYourTostitosReady
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 27, 2017, 10:16:46 AM
Kevin Mawae is going into the Ring of Honor on Sunday.
#GetYourTostitosReady
They should fire whoever made that decision. And fire Duff and fire Bowles. Start over! /MBGreen
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2017, 10:20:00 AM
They should fire whoever made that decision. And fire Duff and fire Bowles. Start over! /MBGreen
damn right. I'm a Doritos man.
Post by: insanity on September 27, 2017, 10:42:29 PM
According to this world charone peak has been put on ir.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2017, 05:28:24 AM
I didn't see this posted anywhere...Sheron Pike is inactive.
According to this world charone peak has been put on ir.
Post by: steves850 on September 28, 2017, 10:04:56 AM
Can you name 5 current Jets players (https://deadspin.com/can-jets-fans-name-five-jets-players-1818845831)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 28, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
Post by: steves850 on September 28, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
Captain Jet...what a sloppy fat disgrace
He's not the hero we want, but he's the one we deserve.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2017, 10:21:09 AM
I didn't see this posted anywhere...
According to this world charone peak has been put on ir.
Chaz Hansen time
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2017, 10:42:34 AM
Captain Jet...what a sloppy fat disgrace
I'm sooooo tired when someone comes by ya with a camera and start asking questions name this who played what who did this so I just say I just don't remember I learned this from Wayne Chrebet when one time he passed by us and we tried to call him over he turns his back and scoots away !!! It was like we had the plague as luck would have it 2 months later he was at the stadium and I was in one of the restaurants in my garb and he was their with 3 other people I walked by him looked right thru him I mean like he wasn't there and as I walked away I heard him say boy captain jet didn't even know who I am !!!! well i did !!! And gave the same respect !!!
Deaded
Post by: steves850 on September 29, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
I'm sooooo tired when someone comes by ya with a camera and start asking questions name this who played what who did this so I just say I just don't remember I learned this from Wayne Chrebet when one time he passed by us and we tried to call him over he turns his back and scoots away !!! It was like we had the plague as luck would have it 2 months later he was at the stadium and I was in one of the restaurants in my garb and he was their with 3 other people I walked by him looked right thru him I mean like he wasn't there and as I walked away I heard him say boy captain jet didn't even know who I am !!!! well i did !!! And gave the same respect !!!
Deaded
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Post by: Ornstein on October 03, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Jenkins on Good Morning Football
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2017, 02:45:02 PM
Anderson/Kearse: 30 receptions, 386 yards, 3 TDs
Marshall/Decker: 28 receptions, 243 yards, 0 TDs
Post by: Coach K on October 05, 2017, 10:12:39 AM
Through four weeks
Anderson/Kearse: 30 receptions, 386 yards, 3 TDs
Marshall/Decker: 28 receptions, 243 yards, 0 TDs
hahaha oh man
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 05, 2017, 10:34:03 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 05, 2017, 12:24:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 05, 2017, 12:31:04 PM
I read today where Mangold is still struggling with his foot and unable to play, sounds like he's kind of depressed. Said if he signed with a team he'd have been "stealing checks". Would love to think the Jets have a place in the organization for a guy like that.
http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/it-has-been-far-from-easy-for-nick-mangold-since-jets-cut-him/
I'm sure we must be able to find a job for him under Steve Marshall.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 05, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
Post by: Ornstein on October 07, 2017, 09:42:49 PM
Bowles Mic'd up vs Jacksonville. It's nice seeing him actively try and show emotion with players.
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2017, 12:58:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KeuGxbM.png)
Post by: bojanglesman on October 13, 2017, 01:29:13 PM
Jets currently in a wildcard spot.
(https://i.imgur.com/KeuGxbM.png)
Good time for an 11 week lockout, then straight to the playoffs.
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
Good time for an 11 week lockout, then straight to the playoffs.
I'm good with that. We can beat the Jags again, but KC might be a tough ask.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
Post by: casman02 on October 15, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Quote
Jeremy KerleyVerified account
@JKerley11
Following Following @JKerley11
More
WHEN YOU PLAY THESE JETS, YA A$$ BETTER COME STRAPPED UP!!!! #JETSNATION keep reppin!!! #JETUP
Is....Is Jeremy Kerley going to kill someone?
Post by: sg3 on October 16, 2017, 06:00:15 AM
It would be nice if he "accidentally" ran over Tony Corrente
Is....Is Jeremy Kerley going to kill someone?
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
Is....Is Jeremy Kerley going to kill someone?
No, but OJ is out.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2017, 06:15:02 AM
Post by: sg3 on October 17, 2017, 07:45:20 AM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--AhAZtDD8--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zzypmujoegofwxs2rukr.jpg)Sitting your a$s on the Flag while guzzling beer
The essence of Trump "patriotism"
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Post by: Tommy on October 17, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
Post by: sg3 on October 17, 2017, 01:07:12 PM
I'm more offended by the straw.Agree
Unless it's iced coffee
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Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2017, 06:19:11 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 18, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
That's exactly how I see his contribution.
If Wilkerson is injured he needs to get well and get back to proper production. If not this needs to get cleaned up soon because the NY faithful can spot a fart in the wind and this may turn ugly.
Already this looks like another stud waltzing out the door for a box of biscuits.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 18, 2017, 08:24:31 AM
Already this looks like another stud waltzing out the door for a box of biscuits.
He's not even good though, so who cares?
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
To
I'll admit I haven't paid too much attention to the d line this season. I've been focusing on Lee every play, but in curious williams or Mo are being asked to be less aggressive in 3 down sets to protect o lineman from getting to davis and Lee.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 18, 2017, 09:46:20 AM
Listened to Bowles' interview on ESPN and when asked about the lack of pass rush he said he was more concerned with the run defense. He said once they figured out how to stop the run consistently they'd start shifting gears to the pass rush.
To
I'll admit I haven't paid too much attention to the d line this season. I've been focusing on Lee every play, but in curious williams or Mo are being asked to be less aggressive in 3 down sets to protect o lineman from getting to davis and Lee.
I don't care if it's against the run or pass, Wilkerson is not a good player this season. He hasn't even shown a glimpse of being good.
He is constantly getting driven back off the snap. He looks slow and an uninterested in being out there...like he's playing not to get hurt. At least Leonard Williams hustles.
So far, Manish Mehta was right about this guy.
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2017, 10:19:21 AM
I don't care if it's against the run or pass, Wilkerson is not a good player this season. He hasn't even shown a glimpse of being good.
He is constantly getting driven back off the snap. He looks slow and an uninterested in being out there...like he's playing not to get hurt. At least Leonard Williams hustles.
So far, Manish Mehta was right about this guy.
Thats really unfortunate. I'll have to play closer attention to the d-line this game. I'm tired of watching Darron "Kyle Wilson fingerwagging" Lee anyway
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Thats really unfortunate. I'll have to play closer attention to the d-line this game. I'm tired of watching Darron "Kyle Wilson fingerwagging" Lee anyway
Everyone finger wags. I'm waiting for punters to start doing it now. It would be a challenge to find any player that is present within 5 yards of an incompletion that doesn't do the stupid incomplete sign or finger wag. It's almost like a retarded reflex. I'd be shocked to see a corner break up a pass and do anything other than that. When is the last time you saw anyone break up a pass and not do one of those 2 things? Damn do something different. Do the worm or something.
I think a memo needs to go out informing the players that it's old and they look stupid doing it, even if they actually made a good play and didn't just witness a shitty pass from 5 yards away.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 18, 2017, 10:43:15 AM
Post by: guinness77 on October 18, 2017, 10:47:06 AM
Everyone finger wags. I'm waiting for punters to start doing it now. It would be a challenge to find any player that is present within 5 yards of an incompletion that doesn't do the stupid incomplete sign or finger wag. It's almost like a retarded reflex. I'd be shocked to see a corner break up a pass and do anything other than that. When is the last time you saw anyone break up a pass and not do one of those 2 things? Damn do something different. Do the worm or something.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOXYB2cd8
I think a memo needs to go out informing the players that it's old and they look stupid doing it, even if they actually made a good play and didn't just witness a shitty pass from 5 yards away.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOXYB2cd8
Ha. I'll take any celebrartion that's different. Maybe the Ace Ventura Hip Thrust.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 18, 2017, 11:34:12 AM
I also agree that Lee is improving. I've said it the last couple of weeks. He still plays a bit "too fast" and overruns some plays, but I'll take that over Wilkerson never being close enough to make a play.
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
Lee has actually been pretty good the last three games. He was awful during the first three games.
He's playing better but he still seems afraid of contact on running plays. There's a Mike gillislee run that comes to mind from last week. He's much better suited as a 4-3 will because he can not take on any blockers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2017, 02:54:46 PM
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2017, 08:06:42 PM
The play last week where he shot the gap clean and then whiffed on the RB was such a Darron Lee play.
That mike be the gilislee play I was thinking about. While lee was good in pass defense and chasing the run Well, it's disheartening to think that Adams could probably play min better than Lee while weighing 20lbs less
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 08:51:29 AM
Lee literally embodies all three of those things, but now that we've got a taste of success, we want more (like me with McCown).
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2017, 09:28:32 AM
Darron Lee is a perfect example (along with my take on McCown) of how fans of a team can never be truly happy. We all came into this year thinking "I just hope that even when they lose 12-14 games, they look like a team that cares, is improving, and has a future."
Lee literally embodies all three of those things, but now that we've got a taste of success, we want more (like me with McCown).
The problem with Lee is the expectations based on where he was drafted. If he was a 3rd rounder it would be different.
It's early to judge this year. He's made some plays and missed some. Hopefully he keeps building on the past few games and doesn't have regression. Some guys are a little slower to develop. As long as it keeps progressing and he gets more consistent, I'm not upset.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 09:53:55 AM
The problem with Lee is the expectations based on where he was drafted. If he was a 3rd rounder it would be different.
It's early to judge this year. He's made some plays and missed some. Hopefully he keeps building on the past few games and doesn't have regression. Some guys are a little slower to develop. As long as it keeps progressing and he gets more consistent, I'm not upset.
That's my point. This was supposed to be a really awful year, but the silver lining was the hope that guys would improve and it would look like a young future had potential. Lee's a second-year player who is clearly improving. Is it slower than you'd hope for a first rounder? Sure. But if he were doing what he's doing and the Jets were 0-5 right now, he'd look a lot better. We're just getting greedy now because this team hasn't played as bad as everyone thought they would (and I'm including myself in that).
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2017, 09:57:26 AM
That's my point. This was supposed to be a really awful year, but the silver lining was the hope that guys would improve and it would look like a young future had potential. Lee's a second-year player who is clearly improving. Is it slower than you'd hope for a first rounder? Sure. But if he were doing what he's doing and the Jets were 0-5 right now, he'd look a lot better. We're just getting greedy now because this team hasn't played as bad as everyone thought they would (and I'm including myself in that).
Who is upset at him?
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 10:03:42 AM
Who is upset at him?
Nobody. I wasn't implying anyone is.
All I was saying was that everyone's getting greedy. We're all seeing some improvement but now that they're winning, everyone wants to see more faster. It's just natural.
Post by: guinness77 on October 19, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
mike be the gilislee
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
Nobody. I wasn't implying anyone is.
All I was saying was that everyone's getting greedy. We're all seeing some improvement but now that they're winning, everyone wants to see more faster. It's just natural.
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
All I was saying was that everyone's getting greedy. We're all seeing some improvement but now that they're winning, everyone wants to see more faster. It's just natural.
You just can't overthink things and worry too much about the big picture because so many things change and unexpected sh*t always happens.
All summer people here were saying the worst case scenario for us is that McCown has a career year and we win 6-8 games, and that looks like what is going to happen. If it does it does, but I'd rather be competitive and not an embarrassment week to week. Let the chips fall where they fall, we land in the draft where we land. That's certainly better than seeing them go out there and get beat by Miami or some other jack*ss team we all hate.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 10:36:32 AM
You just can't overthink things and worry too much about the big picture because so many things change and unexpected sh*t always happens.
All summer people here were saying the worst case scenario for us is that McCown has a career year and we win 6-8 games, and that looks like what is going to happen. If it does it does, but I'd rather be competitive and not an embarrassment week to week. Let the chips fall where they fall, we land in the draft where we land. That's certainly better than seeing them go out there and get beat by Miami or some other jack*ss team we all hate.
I'd rather endure short-term pain for long-term gain. If I had to watch us get destroyed by the AFC East for 1 year so we can destroy them for the next 10-15 years with a solid franchise QB....I'd make that trade every time.
EDIT: the key is to make sure you have a solid scouting department and make smart decisions at draft time. I'm optimistic we finally have that in place...after 10 years of failing miserably.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2017, 10:52:33 AM
I'd rather endure short-term pain for long-term gain. If I had to watch us get destroyed by the AFC East for 1 year so we can destroy them for the next 10-15 years with a solid franchise QB....I'd make that trade every time.
If that happened that's the way I'd look at it, and I was fully prepared up until a few weeks ago. But I'm not going to now be upset that it isn't happening that way. I saw my fagg*t a** Dolphin fan friends posting their pics from our stadium thinking they were there for a big party, I can't tell you how happy I was to see us beat them.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 11:13:23 AM
Anyway...
I'd rather endure short-term pain for long-term gain. If I had to watch us get destroyed by the AFC East for 1 year so we can destroy them for the next 10-15 years with a solid franchise QB....I'd make that trade every time.
EDIT: the key is to make sure you have a solid scouting department and make smart decisions at draft time. I'm optimistic we finally have that in place...after 10 years of failing miserably.
The reason you're optimistic is because they're winning. If they were losing, you'd be demanding Bowles' and Maccagnan's heads because they wouldn't appear fit to lead the team going forward.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 19, 2017, 11:22:53 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2017, 11:56:10 AM
It's times like this I don't understand what people are reading that I'm writing. It was a small observation that it's funny that even when fans come in with low expectations, as soon as those expectations are surpassed, we get greedy and want more. Lee just happens to be a microcosm of the phenomenon.
I just think that's the human nature of competitiveness. You're not a sports fan at all if you don't have at least some degree of that, once you get a taste of winning rather than losing that's what you're going for. F*ck losing. Always.
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The reason you're optimistic is because they're winning. If they were losing, you'd be demanding Bowles' and Maccagnan's heads because they wouldn't appear fit to lead the team going forward.
He's still demanding their heads. He's all about the rolling of the heads.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 12:10:22 PM
I just think that's the human nature of competitiveness. You're not a sports fan at all if you don't have at least some degree of that, once you get a taste of winning rather than losing that's what you're going for. F*ck losing. Always.
He's still demanding their heads. He's all about the rolling of the heads.
Yes.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 01:35:54 PM
It's times like this I don't understand what people are reading that I'm writing. It was a small observation that it's funny that even when fans come in with low expectations, as soon as those expectations are surpassed, we get greedy and want more. Lee just happens to be a microcosm of the phenomenon.
Anyway...
The reason you're optimistic is because they're winning. If they were losing, you'd be demanding Bowles' and Maccagnan's heads because they wouldn't appear fit to lead the team going forward.
No, I'm optimistic because outside of Hackenberg, I believe Duff drafted well. Even Darren Lee is starting to figure it out.
I still don't think Bowles is the right guy.
And Alio, you're one of the biggest flipfloppers on this board...pot calling kettle black and all that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 02:49:34 PM
No, I'm optimistic because outside of Hackenberg, I believe Duff drafted well. Even Darren Lee is starting to figure it out.
I still don't think Bowles is the right guy.
And Alio, you're one of the biggest flipfloppers on this board...pot calling kettle black and all that.
I make no claim that I don't change my mind--often--based on evidence. That's not "flipflopping," it's rational scientific thinking.
I was pointing out the two sides of your post. On one hand, you're saying you'd like to see this team lose in the near-term for long-term gains, and on the other, you're saying they finally have a group you're confident with leading this team forward.
I'm saying you can't have it both ways. If this team was losing it would look like the picks Maccagnan made were excrement and you'd say he deserved to be fired.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 02:59:37 PM
I make no claim that I don't change my mind--often--based on evidence. That's not "flipflopping," it's rational scientific thinking.
I was pointing out the two sides of your post. On one hand, you're saying you'd like to see this team lose in the near-term for long-term gains, and on the other, you're saying they finally have a group you're confident with leading this team forward.
I'm saying you can't have it both ways. If this team was losing it would look like the picks Maccagnan made were excrement and you'd say he deserved to be fired.
No, I said I was prepared for short-term pain for long-term gain...because the QB crop is supposed to be a good one in 2018. As a Jets fan, you're well aware of our long standing QB woes. I've always been about winning and pulled for the Jets despite their shortcomings. Our roster is over-achieving this year, it's good and bad given our QB situation. It's nice to Josh McCown play well...but he's not the long term solution. If there was a year to tank for a QB, this was a good year to do it.
My criticism of Bowles is well-documented. I've always supported Duff. He's not perfect (hai hackenberg!)...but he's better than Idzik by a country mile. He also hasn't spent foolishly like Tannenbaum did. Unless you count the money he spent on Fitz, but I believe that was out of necessity.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 03:10:25 PM
No, I said I was prepared for short-term pain for long-term gain...because the QB crop is supposed to be a good one in 2018. As a Jets fan, you're well aware of our long standing QB woes. I've always been about winning and pulled for the Jets despite their shortcomings. Our roster is over-achieving this year, it's good and bad given our QB situation. It's nice to Josh McCown play well...but he's not the long term solution. If there was a year to tank for a QB, this was a good year to do it.
My criticism of Bowles is well-documented. I've always supported Duff. He's not perfect (hai hackenberg!)...but he's better than Idzik by a country mile. He also hasn't spent foolishly like Tannenbaum did. Unless you count the money he spent on Fitz, but I believe that was out of necessity.
You're okay with losing if it nets a shot at a great pick. I'm not. And besides, a great pick doesn't assure you a great QB.
I am never okay with a tank. I am never okay with losing. Period.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 03:17:02 PM
You're okay with losing if it nets a shot at a great pick. I'm not. And besides, a great pick doesn't assure you a great QB.
I am never okay with a tank. I am never okay with losing. Period.
I told you...I'm ok with losing THIS year for a shot at a franchise QB. Do I want us to lose? No....but I wouldn't be angry if we did this season because our roster is in a rebuild.
We've been spinning our wheels what feels like forever. Hell, this franchise keeps hiring DCs to be their HC and keeps drafting defensive players in the first round. It's an offensively driven league. I think one losing season which can afford us a shot at a franchise QB is a small price to pay for long term success.
Also...we've beaten Cle, Mia and Jax...not exactly world beaters this year.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
I don't want to see a rookie quarterback, regardless of how talented or highly rated he is coming out of college, having to figure things out behind this line. You can all bitch and moan about Wilkerson to your heart's content but the biggest problem on this team right now is at center. The amount of pressure that comes up the middle is ridiculous.
I mentioned in one of the draft threads. Draft a QB and load up on OL for the rest of the draft (that would include a Center).
What's probably gonna happen is we'll end up drafting 7 safeties.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2017, 03:20:52 PM
I mentioned in one of the draft threads. Draft a QB and load up on OL for the rest of the draft (that would include a Center).
What's probably gonna happen is we'll end up drafting 7 safeties.
The guards are good. Beachum is sort of OK and Shell may or may not work out, although on what I've seen so far my hopes aren't high. Basically the three most important positions on the line need fixing.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 03:23:54 PM
The guards are good. Beachum is sort of OK and Shell may or may not work out, although on what I've seen so far my hopes aren't high. Basically the three most important positions on the line need fixing.
If the Jets landed McGlinchey in the first round....and one of Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph or even Josh Allen in the 2nd round, I would consider that a good day for the offense.
EDIT: Cousins might be available in FA, but SF has more cap space than we do and a connection with K.Shanahan.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 03:25:02 PM
I told you...I'm ok with losing THIS year for a shot at a franchise QB. Do I want us to lose? No....but I wouldn't be angry if we did this season because our roster is in a rebuild.
We've been spinning our wheels what feels like forever. Hell, this franchise keeps hiring DCs to be their HC and keeps drafting defensive players in the first round. It's an offensively driven league. I think one losing season which can afford us a shot at a franchise QB is a small price to pay for long term success.
Also...we've beaten Cle, Mia and Jax...not exactly world beaters this year.
I don't care if they're beating West City Baptist Academy, I just want to watch them win. I also want to keep Morton around for a while to groom his own QB.
You won't get an argument from me on hiring an offensively-minded HC, but right now I'm giving Bowles a chance while Morton handles the offense. He's got this team playing hard every week.
I don't want to see a rookie quarterback, regardless of how talented or highly rated he is coming out of college, having to figure things out behind this line. You can all bitch and moan about Wilkerson to your heart's content but the biggest problem on this team right now is at center. The amount of pressure that comes up the middle is ridiculous.
They certainly need to drastically improve the line.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2017, 03:27:30 PM
I don't care if they're beating West City Baptist Academy, I just want to watch them win. I also want to keep Morton around for a while to groom his own QB.
You won't get an argument from me on hiring an offensively-minded HC, but right now I'm giving Bowles a chance while Morton handles the offense. He's got this team playing hard every week.
They certainly need to drastically improve the line.
I don't know if you saw my post in the Morton thread, but he's climbing the HC coaching candidate must-have list around the league. We may only have him for a year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 03:30:20 PM
I don't know if you saw my post in the Morton thread, but he's climbing the HC coaching candidate must-have list around the league. We may only have him for a year.
Yeah, I saw it (and responded). That's why I said I would like to keep him to groom a QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2017, 04:36:17 PM
I don't want to see a rookie quarterback, regardless of how talented or highly rated he is coming out of college, having to figure things out behind this line. You can all bitch and moan about Wilkerson to your heart's content but the biggest problem on this team right now is at center. The amount of pressure that comes up the middle is ridiculous.
Our guards are very inconsistent in pass protection as well.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2017, 04:51:15 PM
Our guards are very inconsistent in pass protection as well.
They are, but I think a center who knows what he's doing will help with that.
Post by: insanity on October 19, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
You're okay with losing if it nets a shot at a great pick. I'm not. And besides, a great pick doesn't assure you a great QB.
I am never okay with a tank. I am never okay with losing. Period.
So if Roger Goodell said we'd give you Aaron Rodgers if you tanked the 2017 season you would say no?
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2017, 08:16:50 PM
https://twitter.com/busterskrine/status/921160329689812992
Post by: Miamipuck on October 19, 2017, 09:10:08 PM
I told you...I'm ok with losing
Because you're a loser. Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.
Post by: MBGreen on October 20, 2017, 08:38:14 AM
Because you're a loser. Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.
show me a loser and i'll show you a pic of your mustache.
Post by: insanity on October 20, 2017, 09:05:04 AM
Because you're a loser. Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.
Show me someone who will fight to win the battle even if the result will cause him to lose the war, and I'll show you DCM.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 09:31:24 AM
They are, but I think a center who knows what he's doing will help with that.
You despise Wes Johnson like I despised Marcus Williams.
So if Roger Goodell said we'd give you Aaron Rodgers if you tanked the 2017 season you would say no?
My kid and I are always posing outrageous "You can have X, but you'd have to deal with Y" questions to each other. This is a good one. I want to say I'd say "I'd rather win" but that's a tough call. That's not a draft pick; that's a first-ballot HoF QB in exchange for one lost season.
Of course, since it's the Jets, they'd get Rodgers and his collarbone wouldn't heal properly.
Post by: insanity on October 20, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
My kid and I are always posing outrageous "You can have X, but you'd have to deal with Y" questions to each other. This is a good one. I want to say I'd say "I'd rather win" but that's a tough call. That's not a draft pick; that's a first-ballot HoF QB in exchange for one lost season.
This is not "a tough call" at all.
I love sports because they are a microcosm of our society. The QB is by far the most important player on an NFL team, so much so that you can't win a superbowl without a good one. I'm offering you the best one in the league and all you need to do is tank one season, one excrement season for a decade of good seasons, and you're saying maybe? freak off.
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 20, 2017, 10:14:00 AM
Promotional video for Buster Skrine's yacht partyHow this thread didn't go straight to yoga girl discussion says alot.
https://twitter.com/busterskrine/status/921160329689812992
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2017, 10:21:41 AM
How this thread didn't go straight to yoga girl discussion says alot.I assume people just didn't click on the link
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 20, 2017, 10:21:51 AM
How this thread didn't go straight to yoga girl discussion says alot.
Girls In Yoga Pants is a good Twitter follow.
You guys can all thank me when you see me.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 10:29:26 AM
This is not "a tough call" at all.
I love sports because they are a microcosm of our society. The QB is by far the most important player on an NFL team, so much so that you can't win a superbowl without a good one. I'm offering you the best one in the league and all you need to do is tank one season, one excrement season for a decade of good seasons, and you're saying maybe? freak off.
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
Yikes.
Dude, it's freaking football.
Wow.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 10:31:53 AM
This is not "a tough call" at all.
I love sports because they are a microcosm of our society. The QB is by far the most important player on an NFL team, so much so that you can't win a superbowl without a good one. I'm offering you the best one in the league and all you need to do is tank one season, one excrement season for a decade of good seasons, and you're saying maybe? freak off.
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
Also, Aaron Rodgers doesn't have 10 years left in the league.
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2017, 10:51:08 AM
I assume people just didn't click on the link
I know I didn't.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 11:13:29 AM
I know I didn't.
Same.
Maybe it's leftover from the AIM chat days, but I rarely click on a link posted.
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2017, 11:19:04 AM
You despise Wes Johnson like I despised Marcus Williams.
I just think he's a demonstrably excrement player who has shown no ability to do anything demanded of the role he's playing other than snap the ball accurately and on time, which is something you could train a monkey to do.
I'd be using our cap space to make Weston Richburg a very wealthy man this offseason.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 11:25:51 AM
I just think he's a demonstrably excrement player who has shown no ability to do anything demanded of the role he's playing other than snap the ball accurately and on time, which is something you could train a monkey to do.
I'd be using our cap space to make Weston Richburg a very wealthy man this offseason.
Obviously, we disagreed last year when I felt he filled in reasonably for Mangold, but I'll be honest, I've paid little attention to him this year so I can't speak about him now.
Regardless, Maccagnan should invest a significant amount of money, and a draft pick or 3 into upgrading the offensive line this spring.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 20, 2017, 01:24:16 PM
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
Or maybe when you live long enough to see the people doing the "investing" constantly pissing money away (or stealing it) and not improving anything, you eventually sour on their promises of Utopia.
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2017, 02:04:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2017, 02:20:01 PM
Or maybe when you live long enough to see the people doing the "investing" constantly pissing money away (or stealing it) and not improving anything, you eventually sour on their promises of Utopia.This "I'm older than you so I know better than you" schtick is getting really boring. One, you're not that much older than a number of us, if at all, and two, I've met plenty of people younger than me who are also much smarter as well as people older than me who are considerably more dumb.
If the length of time you've managed to go without dying is the prime argument for the relevance of your opinion, it doesn't speak well of it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 02:20:11 PM
Or maybe when you live long enough to see the people doing the "investing" constantly pissing money away (or stealing it) and not improving anything, you eventually sour on their promises of Utopia.
In fairness to insanity, I agree with him in terms of the political rant. I just don't understand how it correlates to my debating whether a 34-year-old Aaron Rodgers is worth a season where the team puts in zero effort.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 20, 2017, 03:21:18 PM
This "I'm older than you so I know better than you" schtick is getting really boring. One, you're not that much older than a number of us, if at all, and two, I've met plenty of people younger than me who are also much smarter as well as people older than me who are considerably more dumb.
If the length of time you've managed to go without dying is the prime argument for the relevance of your opinion, it doesn't speak well of it.
Never said I was smarter than anyone. Point is after hearing the same sh*t for however long and it doesn't happen, I've tended to stop believing in the people saying it, whether it's football or politicians. My tax money has been spent as wisely as the Jets draft picks, at some point you get tired of losing for nothing.
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
Never said I was smarter than anyone. Point is after hearing the same sh*t for however long and it doesn't happen, I've tended to stop believing in the people saying it, whether it's football or politicians. My tax money has been spent as wisely as the Jets draft picks, at some point you get tired of losing for nothing.
"maybe when you live long enough to see" was a clear statement of "I'm older than you so I know better".
Post by: Miamipuck on October 20, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
Show me someone who will fight to win the battle even if the result will cause him to lose the war, and I'll show you DCM.
He's been hit by too much shrapnel.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
"maybe when you live long enough to see" was a clear statement of "I'm older than you so I know better".
I'm older than I was so I'm smarter than I used to be.
If you're insecure about your own youthful bliss that's your issue, but not what I was talking about.
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2017, 07:26:44 PM
I'm older than I was so I'm smarter than I used to be.
If you're insecure about your own youthful bliss that's your issue, but not what I was talking about.
That's an interesting attempt to turn my words around, but it's clearly not what I said.
If you think that age imparts wisdom then you've clearly learned nothing yet, regardless of how old you are.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2017, 07:28:11 PM
That's an interesting attempt to turn my words around, but it's clearly not what I said.
If you think that age imparts wisdom then you've clearly learned nothing yet, regardless of how old you are.
If you don't learn anything and gain some wisdom as you age, you're not paying attention. You're the one trying to twist my words.
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
If you don't learn anything and gain some wisdom as you age, you're not paying attention. You're the one trying to twist my words.
You claimed to be smarter than someone else because you're older than them. I told you that that doesn't follow.
If that's not what you meant then use words better, oh wise sage.
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2017, 08:11:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
Remember when this thread used to be about "look at this funny tweet" or "I bought a Jets toaster"?
Bring back the Jets Tweets thread
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 23, 2017, 11:23:45 AM
You claimed to be smarter than someone else because you're older than them. I told you that that doesn't follow.
If that's not what you meant then use words better, oh wise sage.
I didn't claim to be smarter than anyone, just smarter than I used to be.
If you misunderstood it the first time that's on me. Since you continue to belabor the point after I've clarified it more than once, you're just being a pretentious tool.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
I didn't claim to be smarter than anyone, just smarter than I used to be.
If you misunderstood it the first time that's on me. Since you continue to belabor the point after I've clarified it more than once, you're just being a pretentious tool.
That's not a Halloween costume.
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2017, 12:46:53 PM
That's not a Halloween costume.
Shut it, old man. You're the living embodiment of old and dumb.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2017, 01:53:12 PM
Shut it, old man. You're the living embodiment of old and dumb.
I have come a long way, no fat ?
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
I have come a long way, no fat ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIYM-I4sJKU
Post by: Tommy on October 23, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2017, 05:53:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIYM-I4sJKU
I am not a drunk.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 23, 2017, 06:19:38 PM
Remember when this thread used to be about "look at this funny tweet" or "I bought a Jets toaster"?https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTUZeTCUkAAGIfj?format=jpg
Nsfw
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 23, 2017, 06:55:54 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTUZeTCUkAAGIfj?format=jpg
Nsfw
Stop posting pictures of PUCK without his consent.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
Stop posting pictures of PUCK without his consent.
I fully consented, you like my nips?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2017, 05:46:00 AM
-Tron
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2017, 05:48:18 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 24, 2017, 08:50:58 AM
Correction. I had sex with Katie.One of my top 5 moments in that show's history.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2017, 09:03:58 AM
One of my top 5 moments in that show's history.Everyone should have a buddy named Lysol.
Post by: Ornstein on October 26, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
Just when I thought I couldn't dislike Rex anymore then I already do.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2017, 03:05:16 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 26, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
The dude got the guy's jersey number tattooed on himself. STFU Rex. You loved you some Sanchize.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
Probably shouldn't have drafted him high in the first round if you thought he was just good enough.
I get that it's fun to bash Rex, but he'd literally just arrived from being Baltimore's DC. I'm willing to bet the only time he'd ever seen Sanchez play was watching dudes on the other side of the ball trying to knock him down, and even then there were only 16 rolls of tape. As the new head coach, if the GM's saying "we've got no quarterback and there's this kid we've scouted the hell out of and fallen in love with" I'm betting he had little real choice but to go along with it.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2017, 04:17:02 PM
I get that it's fun to bash Rex, but he'd literally just arrived from being Baltimore's DC. I'm willing to bet the only time he'd ever seen Sanchez play was watching dudes on the other side of the ball trying to knock him down, and even then there were only 16 rolls of tape. As the new head coach, if the GM's saying "we've got no quarterback and there's this kid we've scouted the hell out of and fallen in love with" I'm betting he had little real choice but to go along with it.
Then he should have said that instead of "I knew he'd never be a franchise QB". I would have never bashed the guy for being part of the group that drafted him and it not working out, but no need to come out and make that statement. Especially since the guy is still in the league. I liked Rex when he was here. Saying that is all hindsight. Rex isn't some wizard that can predict the future of QBs. Dick comment.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 26, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Then he should have said that instead of "I knew he'd never be a franchise QB". I would have never bashed the guy for being part of the group that drafted him and it not working out, but no need to come out and make that statement. Especially since the guy is still in the league. I liked Rex when he was here. Saying that is all hindsight. Rex isn't some wizard that can predict the future of QBs. Dick comment.
If you're Rex who do you throw under the bus, the guy who's established himself as a career backup QB or the guy who talks to all 32 NFL GMs on an at least weekly basis? The correct answer is obviously neither, but I don't know the context that created the comments.
Post by: Ornstein on October 26, 2017, 06:56:17 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 26, 2017, 07:13:11 PM
I remember reading that Rex and Tanny went to a Sanchez workout and Rex basically blew his load over the kid. He begged Tanny for him and then drags his name through the mud 8 years later. I loved Rex when he got here but this just shows what an egotistical piece of excrement he is.Rex was all over Sanchez at the combine.
he's full of excrement.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 26, 2017, 08:12:13 PM
He really should shut his piehole, this makes him look like freaking dumber than he already is.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 26, 2017, 08:50:46 PM
How in the name of living freak can any of you remember who was saying what at a combine 8 freaking years ago? Are you all autistic?
We know, accept it!
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2017, 09:17:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 26, 2017, 09:43:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2017, 10:44:30 PM
They wound up trading for a couple of WRs and the non Mangold/Brick portions of the OLine played better than anticipated.
But Braylon and Santonio quickly talked their way off of the roster and the coaching staff and front office just let the OLine age out of the league.
Sanchez helped get the Jets to two consecutive AFC Championship games. I still believe that if the Jets kept the talent around him consistent they could have continued their success, but Rex was as much a part of the problem as Tannenbaum in the poor management of the talent around him.
Post by: sg3 on October 27, 2017, 05:59:05 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2017, 07:54:41 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
It’s about that time of the year where I suggest that we bring back Rex
This is the time of year I wait for the Knicks and Jets to sync up their records for a day or two. Knicks are actually going to have to up their game, like win one first.
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
I remember hating the Sanchez pick. Everyone was saying he should have gone back to school.
My initial reaction was "I guess I'll go along with this." (And I did, all the way through 2013)
I actually missed the pick because I didn't expect us to trade up and had gone to the store around the corner for chips and salsa. Found out via text from a friend.
I wanted Maclin at our original pick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2017, 10:52:09 AM
This is the time of year I wait for the Knicks and Jets to sync up their records for a day or two. Knicks are actually going to have to up their game, like win one first.
Knicks are 2-3 now, so assuming the Jets lose to Buffalo again, a simple 1-3 will get them even. Even 2-2 is doable if the Jets win.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 30, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
Knicks are 2-3 now, so assuming the Jets lose to Buffalo again, a simple 1-3 will get them even. Even 2-2 is doable if the Jets win.
No one cares about basketball, it sucks. Find Junc and play with his balls, I mean find him and play ball.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2017, 03:34:17 PM
No one cares about basketball, it sucks. Find Junc and play with his balls, I mean find him and play ball.
Koz loves basketball.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 30, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
Koz loves basketball.
Because his head is as big as one.
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
No one cares about basketball, it sucks. Find Junc and play with his balls, I mean find him and play ball.
junc doesn't watch pro ball, not enough high character scrappy gym rats.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 31, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2017, 02:34:54 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2017, 02:38:06 PM
McCown is the first Jets QB to have a comp% over 70% in 5 of the first 9 games since Favre in 2008, and the first Jets QB to have a passer rating over 100 in 6 of the first 9 since Esiason in '93.
that's pretty freaking sad when you think about it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2017, 02:50:20 PM
that's pretty freaking sad when you think about it.
Until you realize QB rating is a pretty useless stat.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
that's pretty freaking sad when you think about it.
Ryan Fitzpatrick led the Jets' best offense ever. This team's entire history at the position is disgusting.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2017, 03:05:35 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick led the Jets' best offense ever. This team's entire history at the position is disgusting.
These are all distorted numbers, neither 2015 or this year are playoff teams. You get an automatic first down now when a DB looks at you wrong, Comparing it to years past is skewed, we've had a lot of good offensive teams, much better than 2015 or 2017.
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2017, 03:11:07 PM
These are all distorted numbers, neither 2015 or this year are playoff teams. You get an automatic first down now when a DB looks at you wrong, Comparing it to years past is skewed, we've had a lot of good offensive teams, much better than 2015 or 2017.
freak you, dad.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2017, 04:46:27 PM
Until you realize QB rating is a pretty useless stat.
Yeah, QBR sucks, but JE cited passer rating.
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2017, 06:21:56 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on November 03, 2017, 11:20:29 PM
One more win and Bart Scott gets Chris Canty's Bentley (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/play/_/id/20624383)Can't wait!
Post by: Miamipuck on November 03, 2017, 11:30:29 PM
Can't wait!
I hope Bart gets that Bentley and not just because I am a Jets fan. On that audio clip he (Canty) sounded so smug.
Post by: sg3 on November 04, 2017, 06:21:21 AM
I hope Bart gets that Bentley and not just because I am a Jets fan. On that audio clip he (Canty) sounded so smug.My Giants will be 9-7 or 10-6...
And he called Bart a Jet Homer
LOL
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Post by: Derek Smalls on November 04, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
I can't stop watching these #JetsDanceToAnything twitter videos. I've seen like 15 of them already.
The Bieber one was funny.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2017, 12:36:45 PM
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2017, 03:36:44 PM
I can't stop watching these #JetsDanceToAnything twitter videos. I've seen like 15 of them already.
My favorite compilation so far:
https://youtu.be/0ghQC9d0eVI
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 05, 2017, 12:09:16 PM
Doing a purge of the people I follow on Twitter. For some reason I was still f-f-f-following Ellis Lankster.
Fixed your post
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
Edit: Tyler Bray, wtf
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
Edit: Tyler Bray, wtf
The dream is not yet dead.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 05, 2017, 01:58:12 PM
I forgot Ganaway's name. I googled, "Jets WR Steiny" and it was the first result.
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2017, 02:04:31 PM
Ricky Sapp? Jace Amaro? Damarcus Ganaway?Terrance was better
I forgot Ganaway's name. I googled, "Jets WR Steiny" and it was the first result.
#jimmyjohnsEmployeeOfTheMonth
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2017, 03:42:05 PM
Ricky Sapp? Jace Amaro? Damarcus Ganaway?Jace Amaro, Aaron Maybin, Josh Bush...
I forgot Ganaway's name. I googled, "Jets WR Steiny" and it was the first result.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2017, 04:47:55 PM
Only Jet player I ever followed was Nick Mangold.because you had the hots for Holly?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2017, 05:01:29 PM
because you had the hots for Holly?Bologna funbags ftw
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
Bologna funbags ftw
if she doesn't have Tron Discs for aureolas, Puck is your uncle.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2017, 05:40:50 PM
if she doesn't have Tron Discs for aureolas, Puck is your uncle.Hahaha. Almost puked up dinner you poopchute.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 05, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2017, 02:30:57 PM
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Dennis Waszak Jr.
That “foot” injury Mo Wilkerson has been dealing with? GM Mike Maccagnan inadvertently revealed that it’s a broken toe. So, Mo has dealt with that and shoulder sprain early in season. #Jets
Post by: Miamipuck on November 08, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 09, 2017, 12:40:21 AM
Post by: sg3 on November 09, 2017, 05:12:41 AM
Brian Costello has become the worst NYJ beat writer.He's reached Manish and Cimini levels of awful
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2017, 06:29:00 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 09, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Cimini isn't that bad. He's corny and beats the buttfumble thing to death, but there's worse out there.
Yeah, I'd say after Waszak, Cimini is probably the next best guy on the beat. Maybe Slater, but he's a bit boring to read.
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2017, 09:12:56 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2017, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 09, 2017, 09:22:40 AM
JetsWhispers is the worst, because he's stuck in a timeline set 6 months ago.
I despised him early in the Rex days with his "Dan Leberfeld, Jets Confidential" every time he asked a question in the press conferences, but once he stopped that, he became a nice voice of reason, especially when Manish went full-on-shitpost. Now? He just tweets contrarian excrement constantly, no matter what the subject is.
Connor Hughes is pretty reasonable most of the time.
Yeah, Hughes is okay. Sometimes he gets a little bit "cute" and tries to inject his own brand of Cimini-esque humor and he doesn't really pull it off.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 09, 2017, 11:30:55 AM
Brian Costello has become the worst NYJ beat writer.
He's a Giants fan. Can be funny at times but knowing he's a Giants fan explains the Francesa-like smugness towards the Jets.
Cimini isn't that bad. He's corny and beats the buttfumble thing to death, but there's worse out there.
Can't get enough of one play from five years ago, in a game and season that were already over. At least the fake spike was a game deciding play in a game for first place.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 10, 2017, 02:33:18 PM
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Rich Cimini
Searching for a PR/WR, the Jets brought in Lucky Whitehead for a visit last wk, per source. Attempting comeback after breaking foot in preseason. Will be option when he's healthy. For now, McGuire listed as PR. #Jets
Forgot about him.
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2017, 08:59:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2017, 10:21:09 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2017, 07:12:47 AM
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Just heard from a league source that the New York #Jets love Josh Allen. Wyoming source told me they've done the most work on him.https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17 (https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17)
12:05 PM · Nov 16, 2017
Post by: MBGreen on November 17, 2017, 07:26:03 AM
Per Matt Miller:
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17 (https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17)
you're a day late and a buck short.
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,3810.msg282654.html#msg282654
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2017, 07:56:55 AM
Post by: Ornstein on November 21, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Josh McCown: The Man of Many Jerseys
Post by: bojanglesman on November 21, 2017, 04:26:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/jets-linebacker-dodges-charges-in-club-beatdown/amp/
Now he can return to mediocrity for the Jets.
Post by: Ornstein on November 21, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Mauldin cleared of charges.
https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/jets-linebacker-dodges-charges-in-club-beatdown/amp/
Now he can return to mediocrity for the Jets.
He's probably not even gonna make the team next summer.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2017, 02:12:29 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2018, 08:23:18 AM
It's about how the league and Amazon are using technology like RFID on players to generate next-gen statistical data. I think it's interesting, but I'm not sure I like the idea of a competitor getting another team's data.
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 05, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2018, 03:24:13 PM
Someone just gave me a 2018 Jets calendar, February is Sheldon Richardson. How far ahead do they make these things?
Maybe they're anticipating a return?
Post by: ScotlandJet on February 06, 2018, 07:21:08 AM
Someone just gave me a 2018 Jets calendar, February is Sheldon Richardson. How far ahead do they make these things?
My Wife buys me a Jet Calendar every year as part of my Christmas; as far as I remember the manufacturer always puts who they think is the team star on the cover for December - ultimately they are either finished because of injury or have over stayed their welcome - this year Mo Wilkerson. It's like the cover of Madden.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 06, 2018, 08:58:10 AM
My Wife buys me a Jet Calendar every year as part of my Christmas; as far as I remember the manufacturer always puts who they think is the team star on the cover for December - ultimately they are either finished because of injury or have over stayed their welcome - this year Mo Wilkerson. It's like the cover of Madden.
Knowing you it was in addition to a Chippendales and/or Firemen calenders.
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 06, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
My Wife buys me a Jet Calendar every year as part of my Christmas; as far as I remember the manufacturer always puts who they think is the team star on the cover for December - ultimately they are either finished because of injury or have over stayed their welcome - this year Mo Wilkerson. It's like the cover of Madden.
Yeah, someone got me one a few years ago and most of the guys weren't even on the team anymore. One was Sanchez, Josh Bush was one month, terrible.
They should make a vintage one, 12 all-time favorites like Namath, Klecko, Walker, Martin, etc.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 06, 2018, 10:26:51 AM
Yeah, someone got me one a few years ago and most of the guys weren't even on the team anymore. One was Sanchez, Josh Bush was one month, terrible.
They should make a vintage one, 12 all-time favorites like Namath, Klecko, Walker, Martin, Rex, Tannenbaum etc.
Fixed
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 06, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
Fixed
Tribe sticking together, I see how it is.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 06, 2018, 12:01:43 PM
Who the freak still uses calendars?
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 06, 2018, 12:14:48 PM
I've just got to ask.
Who the freak still uses calendars?
It was a gift, I didn't buy one.
I do use a full year wall calendar at my office, comes in very handy in my line of work. But the month by month calendar with pictures of Mo Wilkerson, etc, not very useful. I had the same Shakira one up from 2003 until we moved our office, I'll let you figure out why. It was actually right again in 2014. #ShePersisted
Post by: ScotlandJet on February 06, 2018, 03:38:01 PM
I've just got to ask.
Who the freak still uses calendars?
I like to know what day of the week it is from time to time.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 06, 2018, 03:45:00 PM
I like to know what day of the week it is from time to time.
Do you do math on an abacus?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 06, 2018, 04:30:02 PM
Do you do math on an abacus?
Math is for nerds
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2018, 09:20:34 AM
Math is for nerds
You're certainly not going to get an argument from me on that one. I one-hundred-and-ten-percent agree.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2018, 10:47:18 AM
-Jalin Marshall
-Lorenzo Mauldin
-Devin Smith
-Jeremy Clark
-Dylan Donahue
-Derrick Jones
-Jordan Leggett (most of last year's draft come to think of it)
-Doug Middleton
-Charone Peake
-Terrance Brooks (once he signed back)
Memories....
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
Skrine gives off that Dennis Rodman in drag vibe
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2018, 04:19:45 PM
Post by: reuben on March 16, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
I did a double take because at first glance I thought that was Kerry Rhodes in the cap.
Same.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2018, 10:07:01 PM
Post by: Ornstein on April 29, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
Our coach made a nice little Marvel cameo it seems.
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2018, 08:32:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYxYEgIa70&feature=youtu.be
Our coach made a nice little Marvel cameo it seems.
With Thomas Jones in season one I think we can consider this a tradition now.
Post by: Ornstein on April 29, 2018, 09:08:20 PM
With Thomas Jones in season one I think we can consider this a tradition now.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice this.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2018, 09:10:28 PM
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice this.
Comanche
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 07:43:52 AM
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The Jets still aren’t getting much respect from Vegas oddsmakers.
Despite a litany of free-agent additions and Sam Darnold’s arrival, only the Browns and Cardinals have a worse over/under win total projection than the Jets’ six, according to Westgate SuperBook.
Manish
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2018, 08:03:41 AM
Manish
I don't think that's unreasonable. Assuming Darnold either won't play much or won't be all pro as a rookie and we have an offense devoid of talent and a young defense lacking pass rushers.
Things are looking up, but expectations should be low for this season
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
I don't think that's unreasonable. Assuming Darnold either won't play much or won't be all pro as a rookie and we have an offense devoid of talent and a young defense lacking pass rushers.
Things are looking up, but expectations should be low for this season
I’m taking the over, thanks for the free money bitches
Post by: Laxin on May 01, 2018, 08:31:36 AM
I don't think that's unreasonable. Assuming Darnold either won't play much or won't be all pro as a rookie and we have an offense devoid of talent and a young defense lacking pass rushers.
Things are looking up, but expectations should be low for this season
I don't really think its devoid of talent. We didn't add any probowlers, but we are adding Enunwa, Prior, Rawls, Crowell, Long and now Herndon. Thats a solid influx of talent. Prior played on a bum ankle all last year apparently, and if Rawls is healthy he could be a solid addition. We know how good Enunwa can be, and Crowell should add a different dimension to the running game that we have lacked for a while now. The OL will get better with the addition of Long and a healthy Winters.
It's not littered with pro-bowl players, but its definitely a significant improvement over last year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 08:37:11 AM
We didn't add any probowlers
Sam Darnold
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 10:18:45 AM
It's not littered with pro-bowl players, but its definitely a significant improvement over last year.
Exactly this.
Obviously, SoS matters, but there's no way this team isn't better than the one they fielded last season. Even if Darnold is the 3rd string, the QB position is improved from last year. Even if Bridgewater isn't "good" he's better than either Petty or Hackenberg.
The receiver group is better. Even discounting Pryor, Enunwa improves on last year's unit. Drafting Herndon helps the passing game at least as much as ASJ (hopefully).
The secondary is significantly better. Claiborne was the best corner on the team last year. Now, he's the second, and they drafted Nickerson who is likely at least as good as Skrine.
Crowell is an upgrade over what Forte was giving. They almost certainly upgraded center from last year. And it would be difficult for the plethora of defensive linemen to result in worse play than Wilkerson gave last year.
There isn't a single unit on this team that got worse this offseason. I'm reluctant to sunshine, but there's no way this team wins fewer games than last year.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 10:23:11 AM
Exactly this.
Obviously, SoS matters, but there's no way this team isn't better than the one they fielded last season. Even if Darnold is the 3rd string, the QB position is improved from last year. Even if Bridgewater isn't "good" he's better than either Petty or Hackenberg.
The receiver group is better. Even discounting Pryor, Enunwa improves on last year's unit. Drafting Herndon helps the passing game at least as much as ASJ (hopefully).
The secondary is significantly better. Claiborne was the best corner on the team last year. Now, he's the second, and they drafted Nickerson who is likely at least as good as Skrine.
Crowell is an upgrade over what Forte was giving. They almost certainly upgraded center from last year. And it would be difficult for the plethora of defensive linemen to result in worse play than Wilkerson gave last year.
There isn't a single unit on this team that got worse this offseason. I'm reluctant to sunshine, but there's no way this team wins fewer games than last year.
we got a younger version of Davis in Williamson, we got more DL depth. C is definitely going to be better. Winters , unknown to us, was playing with a severe injury, he should at least prove to be serviceable now that hes healthy.
were definitely a better team.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2018, 10:29:00 AM
Exactly this.
Obviously, SoS matters, but there's no way this team isn't better than the one they fielded last season. Even if Darnold is the 3rd string, the QB position is improved from last year. Even if Bridgewater isn't "good" he's better than either Petty or Hackenberg.
The receiver group is better. Even discounting Pryor, Enunwa improves on last year's unit. Drafting Herndon helps the passing game at least as much as ASJ (hopefully).
The secondary is significantly better. Claiborne was the best corner on the team last year. Now, he's the second, and they drafted Nickerson who is likely at least as good as Skrine.
Crowell is an upgrade over what Forte was giving. They almost certainly upgraded center from last year. And it would be difficult for the plethora of defensive linemen to result in worse play than Wilkerson gave last year.
There isn't a single unit on this team that got worse this offseason. I'm reluctant to sunshine, but there's no way this team wins fewer games than last year.
I agree with most of that EXCEPT QB. McCown is older and one of the oldest players in the league, coming off an injury, and last year was the best season of his career. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a drop off from him,hell look what happened from Fitz. He went from the best season of his career to absolute trash.
Bridgewater is an upgrade at backup, if he's healthy. Which is a huge if and we have no idea what kind of drop off there will be since he hasn't played in a long time.
We also lost one of the most talented players on the team even if he was a fat lazy slob who didn't give a freak about trying last year.
And tight end is definitely a downgrade as well. Herndon could be the man, I like the pick. But I wouldn't expect him to come out guns blazing and have a better season than a vet who was revitalizing his career.
We also lost Demario Davis who had probably the best season of his career as well and was one of the best in the league at his position
Overall this team got much better and younger, but it might take a year or two for some of those players to pay dividends
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 10:37:45 AM
I agree with most of that EXCEPT QB. McCown is older and one of the oldest players in the league, coming off an injury, and last year was the best season of his career. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a drop off from him,hell look what happened from Fitz. He went from the best season of his career to absolute trash.
Bridgewater is an upgrade at backup, if he's healthy. Which is a huge if and we have no idea what kind of drop off there will be since he hasn't played in a long time.
We also lost one of the most talented players on the team even if he was a fat lazy slob who didn't give a freak about trying last year.
And tight end is definitely a downgrade as well. Herndon could be the man, I like the pick. But I wouldn't expect him to come out guns blazing and have a better season than a vet who was revitalizing his career.
We also lost Demario Davis who had probably the best season of his career as well and was one of the best in the league at his position
Overall this team got much better and younger, but it might take a year or two for some of those players to pay dividends
I completely disagree.
McCown shouldn't have that big a slide backwards, and may never even play a snap in a real game this year. Bridgewater is better than Petty or Hackenberg. Petty wasn't even a backup QB by the end of last season, and Hackenberg still couldn't get reps over him.
Xavier Cooper played better than Wilkerson last year. Hell, apart from penalties, Pennel played as well as Wilk. The DL didn't get worse, we'll just have to see if it got better.
ASJ was a guy I really liked and wanted to keep, but his actual production last year was very replaceable.
Davis was let go for a younger version of himself.
There isn't a single position on this entire team that took a step backwards apart from possibly kicker.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2018, 10:46:44 AM
I completely disagree.
McCown shouldn't have that big a slide backwards, and may never even play a snap in a real game this year. Bridgewater is better than Petty or Hackenberg. Petty wasn't even a backup QB by the end of last season, and Hackenberg still couldn't get reps over him.
Xavier Cooper played better than Wilkerson last year. Hell, apart from penalties, Pennel played as well as Wilk. The DL didn't get worse, we'll just have to see if it got better.
ASJ was a guy I really liked and wanted to keep, but his actual production last year was very replaceable.
Davis was let go for a younger version of himself.
There isn't a single position on this entire team that took a step backwards apart from possibly kicker.
He had the best season of his career and he's 39 years old coming off a season ending injury. You HAVE to assume he's taking a step back. Whether it's just one of multiple who knows.
Bridgewater is better than them I don't debate that. But if he's healthy, and how much he's lost getting over his injury is very much in question.
And even with Wilkerson sucking he surely still was focused and game planned around, opening up opportunities for his teammates. Now Williams is going to get everything thrown at him, making his life more difficult.
Sure ASJs production is replaceable, but to expect a 4th round rookie coming off a significant injury to step in and pick up where he left off isn't realistic.
And I hope Williamson is that good
The teams looking so much better, but many of these moves are a long term approach and aren't short sighted win now moves.
Could we do better this year absolutely, I just don't think it's a near sure thing that's all
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 11:03:46 AM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 11:16:07 AM
^Well, then we just disagree.
But why?
Post by: insanity on May 01, 2018, 11:19:35 AM
Sure ASJs production is replaceable, but to expect a 4th round rookie coming off a significant injury to step in and pick up where he left off isn't realistic.
I expect them to pick up a vet before the season starts. I'm hoping for Marcedes Lewis. He's a little over the hill, but he can do a bit of everything and we're giving him an opportunity to start. Its also likely one of the titans/bears Tight ends get cut.
Post by: Laxin on May 01, 2018, 11:52:13 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2018, 12:14:21 PM
He had the best season of his career and he's 39 years old coming off a season ending injury. You HAVE to assume he's taking a step back. Whether it's just one of multiple who knows.
Bridgewater is better than them I don't debate that. But if he's healthy, and how much he's lost getting over his injury is very much in question.
And even with Wilkerson sucking he surely still was focused and game planned around, opening up opportunities for his teammates. Now Williams is going to get everything thrown at him, making his life more difficult.
Sure ASJs production is replaceable, but to expect a 4th round rookie coming off a significant injury to step in and pick up where he left off isn't realistic.
And I hope Williamson is that good
The teams looking so much better, but many of these moves are a long term approach and aren't short sighted win now moves.
Could we do better this year absolutely, I just don't think it's a near sure thing that's all
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. I definitely agree with your take on ASJ and TE. TE's don't just come in and rip up the league. It takes a year or two. ASJ was a good fit for the team and they could have had him relatively cheap, it was stupid to let him go like that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Also, while I'm sure Bates would like to have capable tight ends, he's got a glut of receivers to field now. Anderson, Enunwa, and Kearse are starters, and if Pryor is healthy he will be too. Then you have the second tier of guys like Hansen and Stewart. And that's all assuming Smith doesn't make it back.
They also aren't devoid of tight ends beyond the Herndon selection. There's Tomlinson and Sterling, they signed Walford, and I'm sure they hope Leggett shows something.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 12:55:13 PM
Post by: insanity on May 01, 2018, 03:01:48 PM
The major positive to ASJ was that his story was inspiring and he was a good clubhouse guy. Sure, he made some athletic catches, but he didn't do much else. His production is replaceable; the only question is whether his intangibles are.
That's a good point, perception of who the person is and what they could be is driving this attachment to ASJ. If ASJ was an undrafted Free agent that we let walk, would we care? I think we're attached to ASJ because he was previously a first round pick.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2018, 03:16:08 PM
That's a good point, perception of who the person is and what they could be is driving this attachment to ASJ. If ASJ was an undrafted Free agent that we let walk, would we care? I think we're attached to ASJ because he was previously a first round pick.
ASJ had more catches last year with his 3 game suspension, than all Jets tight ends did the previous 3 years combined.
I think that's also part of it
And in addition to his suspension at the start of the season, we effectively had no QB for the end of the season either
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
That's a replaceable player, at least on the field. Again, if you want to argue he was good for the clubhouse, and his departure leaves a void for someone else to fill, I'm right there with you. But as far as on-field production? Replaceable.
I liked the guy, and was a big advocate of bringing him back, but let's not act like this was a repeat of letting Coles go to Washington.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 03:51:43 PM
ASJ had more catches last year with his 3 game suspension, than all Jets tight ends did the previous 3 years combined.
Yes, he was better than literally not having a tight end.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
Yes, he was better than literally not having a tight end.
He also didn't get caught jerking off at target which is pretty impressive
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2018, 04:59:54 PM
Herndon and Flowers are both very good blockers too. We won’t notice much of a loss.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 01, 2018, 05:05:58 PM
He also didn't get caught jerking off at target which is pretty impressive
Boston Market
Post by: mj2sexay on May 01, 2018, 07:03:43 PM
With the way Enunwa has been utilized in the past, he'll be getting some of those looks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2018, 10:43:48 PM
The Jets are clearly better than last season. The secondary has gone from average to a legitimate strength. The quarterback position will no longer forfeit three games with Petty. The receiving corps is clearly better with Enunwa, and if any of the veterans/young players step up, even better. Spencer Long is a big upgrade over Wes Johnson. The front seven could be slightly worse on paper, but given how mediocre Wilkerson was last season, I don't think we downgraded.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 01, 2018, 11:33:12 PM
The only real hole on this defense is, as always, at edge rusher. I'm hoping (really wishing) that Mauldin has a bit of a rebound. If he doesn't, there will probably be a constant rotation of guys coming off the bench across from Jenkins.
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2018, 05:20:16 AM
Williamson is an upgrade over Davis and, if healthy, Anderson should be an upgrade over what we got from Wilk last season so I'd argue that the front seven will be improved as well.
The only real hole on this defense is, as always, at edge rusher. I'm hoping (really wishing) that Mauldin has a bit of a rebound. If he doesn't, there will probably be a constant rotation of guys coming off the bench across from Jenkins.
Would be nice if Bowles could scheme up a pass rush the way Rex did in 2009 with his blitzes.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 02, 2018, 08:10:35 AM
Would be nice if Bowles could scheme up a pass rush the way Rex did in 2009 with his blitzes.
Rex can't even do that any longer.
Post by: MBGreen on May 02, 2018, 08:35:31 AM
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2018, 09:03:58 AM
Rex can't even do that any longer.Well duh. Teams figured it out by the next season and he never adjusted.
In this scenario I'm hoping we could do something like that for a year and land a real pass rush threat (or two) in 2019.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2018, 09:24:19 AM
Well duh. Teams figured it out by the next season and he never adjusted.
In this scenario I'm hoping we could do something like that for a year and land a real paas rush threat (or two) in 2019.
Lee could become a very good blitzer with an improved DL in front of him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2018, 11:09:50 AM
RB Isaiah Crowell: 20
RB Thomas Rawls: 30
TE Clive Walford: 87
DE Henry Anderson: 96
Post by: insanity on May 06, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
I expect them to pick up a vet before the season starts. I'm hoping for Marcedes Lewis. He's a little over the hill, but he can do a bit of everything and we're giving him an opportunity to start. Its also likely one of the titans/bears Tight ends get cut.Speak of the devil. Rumors are Coby Fleener may get cut. Would be a great discount signing
Post by: insanity on May 08, 2018, 08:08:18 AM
Speak of the devil. Rumors are Coby Fleener may get cut. Would be a great discount signing
Fleener was released. Get this guy into camp and see what he's got left.
Post by: insanity on May 23, 2018, 01:29:31 PM
https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/mic-d-up-darron-lee-offseason-workout
Does Lee look much smaller than last year to anyone? I know he was always on the smaller side but he looks more like a safety than a lb
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 23, 2018, 03:24:08 PM
https://elitesportsny.com/2018/05/23/new-york-jets-news-christopher-johnson-will-pay-any-fines-for-taking-a-knee/
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 24, 2018, 02:57:27 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2018, 12:33:29 PM
i'm glad he said all of that, it's very good, but did he also say that he felt he had to vote for the proposition because he felt he needed to be one with the group?
From what I read, the version he voted for was toned down from a previous version. He made it sound like he took a deal he could live with (by paying fines for his players) rather than rocking the boat and winding up with a worse situation for the players.
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2018, 01:05:49 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 24, 2018, 01:15:29 PM
but still...again, i am very glad that chris johnson came out and said that he'd back all the players for whatever they wanted to do with regards to the fine. i still think as a whole it just sucks that there was apparently one owner, jed york, who thought this was pretty much horseshit and actually ended up abstaining from the vote
Post by: bojanglesman on May 24, 2018, 02:05:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/8osvak/looking_at_the_jets_offense_in_2018/
Post by: reuben on June 06, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
Caveat: the guy who wrote this is quite irritating at times, particularly in his abiding love for Geno Smith. That said, I think it's an interesting analysis even though I disagree with some bits of it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/8osvak/looking_at_the_jets_offense_in_2018/
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Thomas Rawls and Bilal Powell are battling for the final spot and this could be more of a toss up than it looks.
No.
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2018, 04:17:49 PM
No.
Yeah, his view on the backs was where I most disagreed with him, and I also don't like his rooster slobbering over PFF (I think he has pretensions at being some kind of writer so he's probably angling for a job with them).
Post by: Koz on June 08, 2018, 11:02:56 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/06/08/ex-jet-kellen-winslow-jr-arrested-for-alleged-burglary/
Post by: ons on June 08, 2018, 01:02:12 PM
Caveat: the guy who wrote this is quite irritating at times, particularly in his abiding love for Geno Smith.
Oh man, I despise that dudes analyses.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 11, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 14, 2018, 07:51:43 PM
Kellen Winslow Jr. burglarizing some posh pad in the trailer park. Held on $50k bond. The mighty have fallen.
https://nypost.com/2018/06/08/ex-jet-kellen-winslow-jr-arrested-for-alleged-burglary/
Looks like it turned out to be a bit more than burglary. They've added a variety of kidnapping and rape charges.
http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/06/14/kellen-winslow-jr-arrested/
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/15/kellen-winslow-targeted-and-raped-elderly-women/
Post by: reuben on June 15, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
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Kellen Winslow Jr. allegedly raped at least 2 women in their 50s -- and tried to rape at least two more, including an 86-year-old woman ... this according to law enforcement.
Kellen allegedly kidnapped and raped a 54-year-old woman in March.
He allegedly kidnapped and sodomized a 59-year-old woman in May.
What the freak.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 15, 2018, 07:47:34 PM
Holy freakI guess he got tired of whacking off to baked chicken.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/15/kellen-winslow-targeted-and-raped-elderly-women/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 15, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2018, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2018, 09:19:10 PM
Naturally he's in a Jets jersey in every thumbnail.
In fairness we were his last team, so you'd expect that all the most recent pictures of him not in an orange jumpsuit would be Jets jerseys.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
Post by: Coach K on June 18, 2018, 08:22:52 AM
Dudes brains gotta look like Aaron Hernandezs. There's simply no other explanation for that excrement
once people are this far gone, im all for execution. theyve got 0 to offer society and are a danger. to save the tax payers money, itll be done with an old school firing squad. that way we can throw the whole "more expensive to execute than life in prison" argument out the window.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2018, 08:53:14 AM
once people are this far gone, im all for execution. theyve got 0 to offer society and are a danger. to save the tax payers money, itll be done with an old school firing squad. that way we can throw the whole "more expensive to execute than life in prison" argument out the window.
I mean if saving money is the primary concern then getting a bigger tight end to hit him with a brick would probably be cheaper.
Post by: Coach K on June 18, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
I mean if saving money is the primary concern then getting a bigger tight end to hit him with a brick would probably be cheaper.
lololol. im all for bludgeoning too. it would be a few hundred bucks cheaper lol
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 18, 2018, 01:49:20 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2018, 08:17:46 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 19, 2018, 01:01:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 19, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
Rex has been dropped from the commentary team for our MNF opener against Detroit, and replaced with Brian Griese.
Good. I don’t want to listen to that fat idiot.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 23, 2018, 01:06:50 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2018, 01:12:26 PM
Shouldn't we be starting camp some time soon?
TC opens this week
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 23, 2018, 02:15:45 PM
TC opens this week
Good. New excrement to argue about and ban each other for. Cheers.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 23, 2018, 02:36:27 PM
Good. New excrement to argue about and ban each other for. Cheers.Reported.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 23, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
Good. New excrement to argue about and ban each other for. Cheers.
You’re wrong
Post by: Laxin on July 23, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2018, 09:46:58 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/jets-fire-behind-the-scenes-lifer-in-mysterious-move/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons (https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/jets-fire-behind-the-scenes-lifer-in-mysterious-move/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 10:14:16 AM
Did anyone see this weird story? This family has been working for the Jets for a long time and suddenly the guy got canned.
https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/jets-fire-behind-the-scenes-lifer-in-mysterious-move/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons (https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/jets-fire-behind-the-scenes-lifer-in-mysterious-move/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)
I read that yesterday. I guess it's always possible that he said or did something that warranted it. All that's known is that he got fired and Rex Ryan said he was a good guy while he was here.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2018, 11:13:56 AM
I read that yesterday. I guess it's always possible that he said or did something that warranted it. All that's known is that he got fired and Rex Ryan said he was a good guy while he was here.
Honestly, the first thing that always comes to my mind now when someone is abruptly fired (like the Barnes & Noble CEO recently) is that there is a sexual harassment settlement involved.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 03:34:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2018, 07:14:44 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/76649/josh-mccown-reveals-secret-to-late-career-success-brain-training
McCown credits some weird brain training program with his late career uptick. Dude was dedicated to it
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Unbeknownst to teammates and many in the organization, McCown participated in a program designed to help optimize cognitive performance. Throughout the season, he took a 30-mile Uber ride into Manhattan for weekly neuro feedback sessions that lasted 45 minutes to an hour. He passed the time in rush-hour traffic by studying game film on his tablet as he prepared for "my brain work," as he calls it. He followed up with his personal consultants by phone -- two conversations per week. The objective, in layman's terms, was to create the best version of himself every Sunday.
The article is much longer and goes more into depth but basically McCown was getting some work on his Brain all year
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 28, 2018, 02:32:14 PM
Kind of interesting
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/76649/josh-mccown-reveals-secret-to-late-career-success-brain-training
McCown credits some weird brain training program with his late career uptick. Dude was dedicated to it
The article is much longer and goes more into depth but basically McCown was getting some work on his Brain all year
Sounds like a good thing to do if money and time are no objects.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2018, 04:24:38 PM
Post by: Ornstein on July 29, 2018, 05:02:17 PM
Jets confirming new jerseys for 2019.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 29, 2018, 05:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1023684832583401472
Jets confirming new jerseys for 2019.
Adams had been teasing them for a long time.
Hopefully they are awesome
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 29, 2018, 06:53:05 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 29, 2018, 06:59:12 PM
It also means I'll probably wait to buy a jersey.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 08:40:38 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 29, 2018, 08:42:16 PM
There's a decent chance we'll hate them too. Be careful what you wish for. They'll probably make them all black because that's what everyone seems to want to do these days.
Our look is simple and classic. I’m concerned we will end up with something ridiculous and new age (see jags previous helmets or Bucs Numbers) and no one wants excrement like that.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 29, 2018, 08:54:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 09:04:22 PM
Our look is simple and classic. I’m concerned we will end up with something ridiculous and new age (see jags previous helmets or Bucs Numbers) and no one wants excrement like that.I hope they base them on this hideous hat:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180730/5b3479ba2410c54687758cbe9a7ec949.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 29, 2018, 09:57:07 PM
There's a decent chance we'll hate them too. Be careful what you wish for. They'll probably make them all black because that's what everyone seems to want to do these days.
We had black trim from 1990-97 and it was a pretty awful era.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 08:35:45 AM
Just bring back the Kelly Green unis.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 12:44:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 02:16:48 PM
Somehow the Jets were 3rd in Home attendance in 2017.Puck giving those free BJs to ticket holders in the parking lot really paid off.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 30, 2018, 03:10:04 PM
Puck giving those BJs to ticket holders in the parking lot for tostito's really paid off.
Fixed
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2018, 10:06:43 PM
Sounds like a good thing to do if money and time are no objects.
Sounds exactly like their target demographic.
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2018, 09:17:21 PM
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Field Yates @FieldYates
Source: veteran WR Eric Decker worked out for the Patriots on Monday. The team is currently dealing with some injury issues at WR (Kenny Britt, Malcolm Mitchell, Jordan Matthews).
Also, I had no idea Britt was with the Patriots.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 01, 2018, 08:44:38 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 01, 2018, 08:52:59 AM
If Decker were to join the Patriots to fill in for Edelman, would he convert to "scrappy"?
No, he'd convert to "dead to me".
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 01, 2018, 08:59:48 AM
No, he'd convert to "dead to me".
#truth
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 01, 2018, 12:38:54 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 01, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
Jessie in Patriots gear would be a downer.Jessie in anything but lingerie would be a downer
Post by: reuben on August 06, 2018, 01:39:51 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 09, 2018, 01:00:11 PM
Jessie in anything but lingerie would be a downer
The two months a year she's not pregnant she looks better naked.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2018, 03:05:33 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 09, 2018, 08:26:35 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/09/jets-coach-todd-bowles-gets-serious-about-getting-himself-in-shape/amp/
this is a good start
now can somebody please teach him how to talk, every time i hear him speak i can't help but imagine that that is what a black mr. mackey would sound like
Post by: reuben on August 31, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
https://deadspin.com/q-a-pepper-johnson-on-drinking-with-bill-belichick-sp-1828726414 (https://deadspin.com/q-a-pepper-johnson-on-drinking-with-bill-belichick-sp-1828726414)
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All right. Let’s get back to what happened with the Jets firing you.
I’m a strong believer of where the pass rush matches the coverage. This was one of the things that I could not get done with the Jets; I could not get the pass rush and the coverage together.
Why?
Because that wasn’t part of the philosophy of the secondary coach. And a lot of people didn’t understand that.
Joe Danna?
Yeah. And Todd. He pretty much ran everything. What probably has me sitting at home now is me sharing this information with Todd, and no one else heard of it. Kacy [Rodgers, the Jets’ defensive coordinator] didn’t know that either, so he talked over it, and he went around it. We didn’t take time out to put emphasis on the coverage.
But how was the pass rush not matching the coverage?
If we are pushing the pocket and the secondary guys are [playing] off, then it’s just pitch and catch [for the offense]. If we’re pushing the pocket and your guys are close, now the pass rush is matching the coverage. If your guys are off and we’re shooting moves, or we’re running pass-rush games, now the pass rush matches the coverage. Because now the coverage is playing for down-the-field passes and we’re rushing the quarterback for down the field passes.
This seems like pretty straightforward stuff. It seems odd to me that an NFL team wouldn’t have that kind of basic synergy on its defense.
You have a problem with—I’m trying my best to put this mildly—of authority. Like, some people, if it’s not their ideals, then they don’t want to use them. Because they’re not getting credit for that.
Are you referring to Todd here? Kacy?
I’m going to tell you this. Todd really could care less. In my experience of dealing with him for two years, he really could care less. So I’m telling on myself.
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On Wilk and Sheldon missing meetings...
Everybody knows those guys missed, or were late, for so many meetings. And somebody wanted to stick a mic in my face or turn a camera on and ask me, but they never were late for my meetings. They were late for the team meetings, they were late for the head coach’s meetings. So that’s on the head coach—and I can’t discipline them anyway, and the players know that.
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On not getting the personnel he wanted...
It was different philosophies. We never sat down and discussed—like, it wasn’t a care. ‘Pepper, what would you like to have? Or who would you like to have?’ It wasn’t. As a matter of fact, in my mind, it got worse the second year, ‘16, than it did in ‘15. Because now it seemed like everything came from upstairs.
Upstairs? You mean [GM Mike] Maccagnan?
Yeah. Maccagnan. When we drafted Leonard [Williams]. Now this is definitely a story to [laughs]—you can do with it whatever you want.
[laughs]Okay. But Leonard fell to you guys. The whole world thought he’d get taken in the top three, but you guys got him at six.
The whole world except Pepper. Leonard wasn’t the No. 1 guy on my to-do list. I had him as a first-round pick and all that, and I was more than happy to get him. But the style of defense that we did, or that we were doing, he did not fall into that category for me to be that No. 1.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 31, 2018, 04:23:07 PM
Actually, I wish that I didn't read any of that.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 31, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
I wish I read his take on us drafting Leo before I read anything else...
Actually, I wish that I didn't read any of that.
this
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2018, 06:07:49 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 01, 2018, 06:33:31 AM
Sounds like some truth and some bitter bitch.Yep. I'm sure there's some truth to it, and I'm not a Bowles fan, so I'm willing to buy some of it, but you gotta take it with a grain of salt since he has an axe to grind.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 06, 2018, 01:20:59 AM
I hate this guy. He is the worst writer on the Jets beat.
Post by: MoreCharacters on September 06, 2018, 03:49:36 AM
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2018, 06:03:27 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 06, 2018, 07:57:42 AM
Rarely ever wrong to take the best player regardless of position. It'll find a way to work out.
Post by: MBGreen on September 06, 2018, 08:01:42 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/09/05/was-leonard-williams-a-jets-draft-mistake/
I hate this guy. He is the worst writer on the Jets beat.
Costello is trying to backtrack on twitter saying it wasn't a knock on Leo.
I think i may finally relent and subscribe to the Athletic. It seems that's where all the decent sports journalists end up.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 06, 2018, 11:04:15 AM
Costello is trying to backtrack on twitter saying it wasn't a knock on Leo.
I think i may finally relent and subscribe to the Athletic. It seems that's where all the decent sports journalists end up.
Meh
Post by: MBGreen on September 06, 2018, 12:31:51 PM
Meh
are you a subscriber?
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 06, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Even if we assume he wasn't disparaging Williams, what's his answer to "who the freak would man the line" if they didn't draft him?
Manish is out here praising the Jets so Costello is now trying to rile up the SOJF crowd.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 06, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
That really was a excrement "article." Who would the Jets have on the defensive line right now if they hadn't taken Williams? Assume they kept Richardson, that means no Kearse, and maybe no Darnold either. Wilkerson wrote his own ticket out of town because he got paid then put his feet up on the desk.
Even if we assume he wasn't disparaging Williams, what's his answer to "who the freak would man the line" if they didn't draft him?
Manish is out here praising the Jets so Costello is now trying to rile up the SOJF crowd.
It's just a stupid article. The Jets were universally lauded for landing the best player in the draft at #5. In hindsight its easy to say that a more productive player taken later would have been a better pick.
There will always be more productive players taken later in the draft.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2018, 06:47:02 AM
Post by: Koz on September 11, 2018, 07:01:39 AM
Luvu had a TFL and a PD last night. Anyone have a picture of his eyeblack?No, but while you're at it, can anyone pull the pic of the lone Lions fan in the frame last night, with about 6 minutes to go, towel on head and bearing an eerie resemblance to Badger?
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2018, 07:20:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 11, 2018, 07:48:36 AM
You just blew my cover. I was *this* close to taking down Patricia.Watch out when he falls, he's fatter than championship Rex.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2018, 09:06:38 AM
Defense snap counts
Middleton played every snap
Avery Williamson played 91%, there was talk he’d come out on passing downs
Copeland played 73%
Luvu played 50%
Post by: Koz on September 11, 2018, 09:19:03 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 11, 2018, 09:21:42 AM
Did Nickerson play enough to say whether he was actually an asset or liability in his spot? Couldn't tell how long he was actually in for.
If you don’t know if he made any bad plays then he didn’t.
Post by: WD40 on September 11, 2018, 09:28:26 AM
Post by: WD40 on September 11, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
For only being on the field for three snaps (?) he was active.
Post by: insanity on September 11, 2018, 12:24:43 PM
Did Nickerson play enough to say whether he was actually an asset or liability in his spot? Couldn't tell how long he was actually in for.
Wasn't on the field for that long, but when he was it seemed like he was matching up well against Golden Taint
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 11, 2018, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 11, 2018, 07:15:41 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 11, 2018, 08:52:53 PM
Apparently Aqib Talib was on ESPN saying he thinks the Jets have a "great" shot at winning the division. I don't know if even Jets fans are that high on the hype wagon yet
That stuff is batshit. Let’s beat a few teams, including one that actually displays effort, before we make claims of dethroning those fuckers.
Or you know if Brady dies on the field. That would work too
Post by: Libero_2 on September 13, 2018, 08:07:08 PM
I post this article from the Wall Street journal not because it’s good or particularly exciting, but there is this one line that I think is hilarious.
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The Jets aren’t supposed to have quarterbacks you believe in. Jets quarterbacks are meant to terrify you. It’s supposed to feel like handing your car keys to a squirrel.
Carry on with your day
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2018, 08:15:48 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2018, 07:18:41 AM
Post by: reuben on September 14, 2018, 11:13:38 AM
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Sam Darnold praised Quincy Enunwa, saying "it's awesome to be able to throw to him."
"He's smooth but he is also physical," Darnold said. "He is very sudden, a very quick dude. It's awesome to be able to throw to him. The routes he runs are very crisp, but very violent. It's cool to be able to ... see how much separation he creates for himself."
I'd like to see him get an extension during the BYE. Just long enough to make sure he can survive all the contact, but before his value skyrockets.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2018, 05:27:53 PM
Post by: reuben on September 14, 2018, 06:15:16 PM
I think Darnold jizzed his pants at the end of that paragraph.
(https://expo.advance.net/img/c0f2bd1dc5/width960/8a2_jetspractice20.jpeg)
Post by: dcm1602 on September 15, 2018, 08:12:17 AM
Post by: insanity on September 15, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Dylan Donahue hit with a 14 game suspension yikes
Seems a but much no?
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
Seems a but much no?What does your chart say?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2018, 11:16:52 AM
Seems a but much no?He's had two accidents when he was driving drunk, and the details of both are pretty bad. Usually that's 10 games but I'm fine with him getting 14. His season is definitely over and his career is almost certainly over either way.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2018, 01:31:26 PM
Seems a but much no?No.
Post by: insanity on September 15, 2018, 01:59:24 PM
He's had two accidents when he was driving drunk, and the details of both are pretty bad. Usually that's 10 games but I'm fine with him getting 14. His season is definitely over and his career is almost certainly over either way.
I'm against drunk driving and everything but usually they get a pass for the first issue they have in the league. So a season seems like a lot for a dwi
Post by: Pope on September 15, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2018, 02:44:17 PM
I'm against drunk driving and everything but usually they get a pass for the first issue they have in the league. So a season seems like a lot for a dwiHe went the wrong way down the Lincoln Tunnel and is lucky he didn't kill someone including himself. Nothing but luck stopped him from facing vehicular manslaughter charges.
Post by: insanity on September 15, 2018, 03:32:04 PM
He went the wrong way down the Lincoln Tunnel and is lucky he didn't kill someone including himself. Nothing but luck stopped him from facing vehicular manslaughter charges.
Dante stallworth killed someone. Joe mixon punched a girl in the face.
Not arguing for him. Just seems random
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2018, 09:07:15 PM
Dante stallworth killed someone. Joe mixon punched a girl in the face.
Not arguing for him. Just seems random
I think what Donahue did was worse than Stallworth. Obviously the result was worse for Stallworth but Donahue was very lucky the same thing didnt happen with him.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2018, 09:09:00 PM
Dante stallworth killed someone. Joe mixon punched a girl in the face.Random, yes. Deserved, yes.
Not arguing for him. Just seems random
Post by: casman02 on September 16, 2018, 07:47:50 AM
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The Jets were prepared to beat that offer if need be, the sources said, but were never presented with the opportunity.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-continue-search-for-impact-pass-rusher-would-have-topped-bears-offer-for-khalil-mack/
For anyone who thought the Jets should have gone harder for Mack
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2018, 07:52:22 AM
For anyone who thought the Jets should have gone harder for Mack
Gruden didn't want the 32nd pick.
Post by: MoreCharacters on September 16, 2018, 09:52:56 AM
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CEO Christopher Johnson, the acting owner, has no intention of retreating to the background when big brother Woody Johnson returns from his appointment as the U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom. He likes the job too much ("It's a great gig"), and he absolutely believes he can make a significant contribution for the long term.
This is good news for the organization because Christopher has improved the culture at One Jets Drive (ask any player) and provided leadership through a painful rebuilding process. The only question is whether he can be tough enough to drop the hammer if the program starts to go sideways or backward.
"I'm having the time of my life," Johnson said this past week. "If I was having that much fun with a five-win season, imagine how much fun I'll be having if we actually start killing it. I'm hopeful we can do that.
"I'm looking forward to my brother coming back in a few years. He's a great leader, but no question, I'm hoping to have a larger role at that point than I had prior. I think he'd welcome that. I know he would. I think I have a new perspective at this point that would be valuable for the franchise."
Woody Johnson still follows his team from across the pond. In fact, he called Christopher on Tuesday morning ("way too early") to discuss the big win Monday night. Woody attended the Jets-Giants preseason game, keeping a low profile in the owner's box. His ambassadorship lasts another two years, so his little brother still has time to cast his imprint on the franchise. If he's smart, Woody will let Christopher continue to run the show when he returns to the States.
chris aint got no time for them bad thots
Post by: MoreCharacters on September 16, 2018, 09:53:31 AM
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Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-continue-search-for-impact-pass-rusher-would-have-topped-bears-offer-for-khalil-mack/
For anyone who thought the Jets should have gone harder for Mack
As awesome as Mack would have been, that’s so much to give up for a guy when we still have so many needs to fill, and our entire future is riding on the shoulders of a QB with a weak OL and no truely elite dynamic playmaker on this roster
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2018, 12:05:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1042161388800692224
Field Yates @FieldYates
Check that: the Jets* Will Beatty, plus former Cowboys OT Chaz Gree, Cyrus Kouandijo, OT Cornelius Lucas and former Broncos OT Menelik Watson.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2018, 02:18:47 PM
Honestly doesn't really say anything but vague nonsense
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
Looks like the Jets are recognising the issue with the line.
It looks like they haven't because all of those players are horrible linemen.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2018, 07:59:41 PM
It looks like they haven't because all of those players are horrible linemen.
Beatty used to be decent, but he's old and injury prone. I doubt they're looking at any of them as starters, and I have exactly zero faith in our depth. Dozier and Qvale are both horrible.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
Beatty used to be decent, but he's old and injury prone. I doubt they're looking at any of them as starters, and I have exactly zero faith in our depth. Dozier and Qvale are both horrible.Dozier is ok as a backup. Qvale isn't an NFL tackle.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
Dozier is ok as a backup. Qvale isn't an NFL tackle.
I don't have a strong opinion of Dozier as a guard, but he has been awful at center when he has filled in.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 28, 2018, 03:41:16 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1045843587286618112?s=19
Stop pizza shaming.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2018, 10:24:54 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2018, 08:01:10 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo4kPFOlveW/
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2018, 09:31:05 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
Boomer Esiason just said we're trying to trade for Chandler Jones...please based football god, please
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
Post by: reuben on October 14, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
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Post by: Libero_2 on October 14, 2018, 06:32:39 PM
Boomer Esiason just said we're trying to trade for Chandler Jones...
You mean the guy we should have taken instead of Coples years ago?
We would love Jones. I hope it happens but if it does it’s either both of our 3s or a #1. No 2s left to deal....
Post by: reuben on October 14, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
You mean the guy we should have taken instead of Coples years ago?
Are you referring to David DeCastro?
Post by: Libero_2 on October 14, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
Are you referring to David DeCastro?
We all wanted DeCastro and knew we would never draft a guard high. But there was tons of chatter the week before the draft we could take Jones. Then Coples was still on the board and Rex couldn’t resist that lazy freak
Post by: casman02 on October 14, 2018, 07:25:06 PM
We all wanted DeCastro and knew we would never draft a guard high. But there was tons of chatter the week before the draft we could take Jones. Then Coples was still on the board and Rex couldn’t resist that lazy freak
#TeamIngram
Post by: Libero_2 on October 14, 2018, 07:27:08 PM
#TeamIngram
#stillbetterthancoples
Post by: Jumbo on October 14, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
#stillbetterthancoples
Ingram is pretty damn good though
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2018, 08:07:10 PM
#TeamIngramI was split between DeCastro, Jeffery, and Ingram. Didn't expect Coples to be there.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
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Source: former Cowboys WR Brice Butler visited the Jets today. They’re thin at wideout right now due to injuries to Quincy Enunwa and Robbie Anderson.
Trash
Post by: Heismanberg on October 24, 2018, 06:07:32 PM
Trash
Decent vet
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2018, 04:13:23 PM
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Bruce Irvin has been cut by the Raiders, per @VicTafur. Was a player they reportedly tried to trade before the deadline.
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2018, 04:21:40 PM
Would definitely like to see us pick him up.
Post by: reuben on November 03, 2018, 04:44:21 PM
Would definitely like to see us pick him up.
Same. Didn't want to trade for him but I'd love to sign him.
Has anyone ever tanked a franchise as hard and as fast as Jon Gruden has tanked the Raiders? Trent Baalke is the only person who comes to mind.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 03, 2018, 06:30:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2018, 06:37:19 PM
Same. Didn't want to trade for him but I'd love to sign him.Eugene Melnyk
Has anyone ever tanked a franchise as hard and as fast as Jon Gruden has tanked the Raiders? Trent Baalke is the only person who comes to mind.
Post by: reuben on November 03, 2018, 08:25:35 PM
Eugene Melnyk
Yeah but in a real sport.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 03, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
Yeah but in a real sport.
We will strap your fat derriere to some skates and see how great you are in a fake sport. My guess is you should stick to your couch.
Post by: reuben on November 03, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
We will strap your fat derriere to some skates and see how great you are in a fake sport. My guess is you should stick to your couch.
My double axel is breath-taking.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 07, 2018, 11:34:59 AM
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1060190670386806784
Post by: Pope on November 07, 2018, 12:58:30 PM
In a pretty much lost season, we can hang our hat on this...temporarilyDoes that include how many times teams have kneeled out against us
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1060190670386806784
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 07, 2018, 01:01:02 PM
In a pretty much lost season, we can hang our hat on this...temporarily
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1060190670386806784
The reply graphic is really the telling one, and why I don't understand how someone on the defense hasn't knocked out someone on offense yet.
First in defensive forced 3-and-outs (40.3%), but second-worst in offensive 3-and-outs (44.9%).
Post by: Libero_2 on November 07, 2018, 05:42:52 PM
The reply graphic is really the telling one, and why I don't understand how someone on the defense hasn't knocked out someone on offense yet.
First in defensive forced 3-and-outs (40.3%), but second-worst in offensive 3-and-outs (44.9%).
So basically 1/2 of all drives in a jets game this season (for either team) are 3 and outs? No wonder our games are awful to watch
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2018, 09:04:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 07, 2018, 10:20:14 PM
The reply graphic is really the telling one, and why I don't understand how someone on the defense hasn't knocked out someone on offense yet.
First in defensive forced 3-and-outs (40.3%), but second-worst in offensive 3-and-outs (44.9%).
"Really the telling one"?
Is it somehow a surprise to you that the defense is currently more talented than the offense?
Why are you so determined to be the SOJF, looking for the misery in every single thing? Why are you incapable of seeing a single positive?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 08, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
"Really the telling one"?
Is it somehow a surprise to you that the defense is currently more talented than the offense?
Why are you so determined to be the SOJF, looking for the misery in every single thing? Why are you incapable of seeing a single positive?
I don't think anyone is surprised as much as they are annoyed at the waste. The defense, despite it's dominant play is not worth much over all if the offense cannot contribute.
Post by: MBGreen on November 08, 2018, 07:54:55 AM
"Really the telling one"?
Is it somehow a surprise to you that the defense is currently more talented than the offense?
Why are you so determined to be the SOJF, looking for the misery in every single thing? Why are you incapable of seeing a single positive?
Tough to find positives when this team has been mired in excrement for 7 seasons.
But the future is bright...we just need the Jets to hire a proper coaching staff before that gets snuffed out too.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 08, 2018, 10:42:49 AM
So basically 1/2 of all drives in a jets game this season (for either team) are 3 and outs? No wonder our games are awful to watch
Yeah that is a depressing statistic.
I don't think anyone is surprised as much as they are annoyed at the waste. The defense, despite it's dominant play is not worth much over all if the offense cannot contribute.
Tough to find positives when this team has been mired in excrement for 7 seasons.
But the future is bright...we just need the Jets to hire a proper coaching staff before that gets snuffed out too.
Stop being SAME OLD JETS FANS!
Anyway, those stats go back to something that has bothered me since at least as far back as Herm. I've always believed in the mantra "Defense wins championships" but not when it's all you have.
For ages, this team has loaded up on defense to the point where they stay in a lot of games they have no business being competitive in. But you can't win if you can't score. Why do Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers win games? Because their defense held the opposition to 15 or less? Or is it because when they have the ball with 1:48 left on the clock, down 35-30, they can march their team 75 yards downfield and throw the game-winner?
Give a good QB solid protection and some halfway decent targets to throw to--and I feel like the Jets reasonably have half of that equation--and you can win games.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 08, 2018, 04:26:08 PM
That has been my biggest gripe with this team for the last three general managers and head coaches.
How many of our "best value available" first round picks between Sanchez and Darnold are still on this team?
I'm very happy to have Jamal Anderson and Leonard Williams on this defense but of we cannot build an offense to get them wins then we are not going to keep them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
These will undoubtedly suck
Post by: steves850 on November 09, 2018, 01:20:11 PM
The Hack is back and on the attack!
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 09, 2018, 01:44:08 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/09/christian-hackenberg-heads-to-the-aaf/
The Hack is back and on the attack!
Good luck to him. I hope he finds some success there. It's not his fault this team overdrafted him.
I wonder how contract with that league will work. If a guy excels there and sparks interest with an NFL team, I wonder if he'll be able to pursue it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2018, 03:44:55 PM
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Odds on @LeVeonBell's next team up at @betonline_ag:
New York Jets 3/1
Oakland Raiders 5/1
Philadelphia Eagles 7/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7/1
Green Bay Packers 7/1
San Francisco 49ers 9/1
Baltimore Ravens 9/1
Indianapolis Colts 9/1
Houston Texans 12/1
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2018, 03:59:49 PM
Post by: Pope on November 13, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
I do not want LeVeon Bell. Fuckin guy is probably hitting a blunt somewhere doin the Jadakiss laugh and talking excrement on Twitter
Ok this made me laugh
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Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2018, 07:59:36 PM
Post by: insanity on November 14, 2018, 12:25:55 AM
Pittsburgh is proving that if you have a good scheme and run block well, a lot of guys can run effectively. Proving again, Denver did it for years with different backs.
Do you know what those teams also have/had? Consistency at hc
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2018, 01:15:29 PM
Do you know what those teams also have/had? Consistency at hc
Well, I've been saying forever it's counterproductive to blow up the whole thing when it isn't necessary. When we had a solid line we had the #1 running game, wasn't that long ago. But those guys got old and we canned the guy who understood you need to have an O-line, so we're here.
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2018, 01:24:38 PM
Well, I've been saying forever it's counterproductive to blow up the whole thing when it isn't necessary. When we had a solid line we had the #1 running game, wasn't that long ago. But those guys got old and we canned the guy who understood you need to have an O-line, so we're here.
Rex never built that solid oline. In fact, he thought Wayne Hunter was good.
Unless you're referring to Mangini. But you never run to his defense, so i'll assume it was Rex you were talking about.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2018, 01:38:01 PM
Rex never built that solid oline. In fact, he thought Wayne Hunter was good.
Unless you're referring to Mangini. But you never run to his defense, so i'll assume it was Rex you were talking about.
Wrong twice, par for the course.
Tannenbaum drafted Mangold and Brick with the first two picks of his tenure, understanding that all the skill players in the world don't help you if you can't block. Those guys carried us all the way up to the Bowles era.
Post by: reuben on November 14, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
Wrong twice, par for the course.
Tannenbaum drafted Mangold and Brick with the first two picks of his tenure, understanding that all the skill players in the world don't help you if you can't block. Those guys carried us all the way up to the Bowles era.
Oh excrement, i forgot you dry-humped Tannenbaum too. I should've known better.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2018, 02:08:55 PM
In all fairness, Tanngini also decided that the line was good enough to do without a million dollar raise for Pete Kendall. And that was of course the year our franchise quarterback died.
He didn't get every move right but at least knew enough to build an O-line before putting expensive players behind it to get killed.
Oh excrement, i forgot you dry-humped Tannenbaum too. I should've known better.
Facts are what they are. He drafted Brick and Mangold to start his career as GM, then Leon Washington and Brad Smith later for good measure. The next year he got Revis mid first round and David Harris. That was the core that eventually got us to the two AFC Championship Games.
Not sure what someone has to do around here to not get fired. Then people complain that we don't have stability at the top, can't do it both ways.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2018, 02:09:38 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 14, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2018, 02:10:54 PM
Eric Mangini made those draft picks
Ok, we fired him too, after a 9-7 season that started 8-3.
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
Ok, we fired him too, after a 9-7 season that started 8-3.
this is the only mis-fire that i agree with you on.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2018, 02:17:48 PM
this is the only mis-fire that i agree with you on.
Good. I was about to suggest you sell the team, you're killing us.
With you on #FireBowles too.
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2018, 02:19:27 PM
With you on #FireBowles too.
I guess we'll need winter parkas when we eventually end up in hell.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
I guess we'll need winter parkas when we eventually end up in hell.
Haha, we're good.
I went to the 5 Below bar in Vegas and they hand out parkas and gloves, what a bunch of pussies. Was nothing compared to that Sunday night Bengals game.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 28, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
NY Post (https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/jets-fans-already-settling-in-for-their-dreary-winter-tradition/)
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2018, 12:24:23 PM
Costello nails it here:
NY Post (https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/jets-fans-already-settling-in-for-their-dreary-winter-tradition/)
Yes and no. He kind of loses it at the end where he starts trying to claim that the Knicks going to the Finals in a lockout-affected season 20 years ago somehow means that they've had it better than Jets fans who were watching the team in back to back AFCCGs in the last ten years.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 28, 2018, 12:31:03 PM
Yes and no. He kind of loses it at the end where he starts trying to claim that the Knicks going to the Finals in a lockout-affected season 20 years ago somehow means that they've had it better than Jets fans who were watching the team in back to back AFCCGs in the last ten years.
Yeah, depends on how big a picture you want to look at and how. As a guy 51 I see what he's saying, I had a good 10 year run of the Knicks being an absolute elite team, also went 7 with the Rockets in the 1994 Finals. I've been watching the Jets since 1974 and have never even seen them in a Super Bowl. If you chop it down to post 2000, the Jets have been far better than the Knicks, but that's a low bar.
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
Yeah, depends on how big a picture you want to look at and how. As a guy 51 I see what he's saying, I had a good 10 year run of the Knicks being an absolute elite team, also went 7 with the Rockets in the 1994 Finals. I've been watching the Jets since 1974 and have never even seen them in a Super Bowl. If you chop it down to post 2000, the Jets have been far better than the Knicks, but that's a low bar.
That's fair. You've seen a bunch of Stanley Cups though so you're not getting any sympathy from me.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 28, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
That's fair. You've seen a bunch of Stanley Cups though so you're not getting any sympathy from me.
Devils moved to Jersey when I was 15, I look at it as the sports gods evening things out for me being a Jets fan. Dodgers won a couple back in the 80s also, one vs the Yankees which will always rank high on my all time list.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2018, 08:31:56 PM
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#Jets top 5 defensive players so far this season (min. 300 snaps):
1. Jamal Adams-88.3
2. Marcus Maye- 81.7
3. Avery Williamson- 75.0
4. Henry Anderson- 74.0
5. Darryl Roberts- 73.3
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 06, 2018, 11:37:31 AM
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Brian Costello
Verified account
@BrianCoz (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1070691309625724928)
If the Titans win tonight, the Jets will be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, per @EliasSports #nyj
9:47 AM - 6 Dec 2018
Oh noes
Post by: bojanglesman on December 18, 2018, 03:29:30 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/9683.png)
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 18, 2018, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 18, 2018, 05:18:24 PM
Probably to replace Shell. I still haven't seen what the extent of the injury was.Hopefully it's an MCL injury or something that can be recovered from over the offseason and not an ACL injury
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 19, 2018, 10:49:59 AM
Kill Bardy week 17
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
Hopefully it's an MCL injury or something that can be recovered from over the offseason and not an ACL injury
There still isn't any news. Weird.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 20, 2018, 12:45:36 PM
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Jordan Jenkins has 7.0 sacks this season. He's the first Jet linebacker with that many in one season since Calvin Pace had 10.0 in 2013.
Depressing stat is depressing...
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 20, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 20, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
On the bright side, I can't remember a better crop of pass rushers potentially available in free agency. Demarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Trey Flowers all have the potential to break free...
I just wrote about this in the Defensive Rankings thread. There's a lot of pass-rushing talent potentially set for free agency. I'd love to add talent via cash and then draft a lot of young offensive players to help Darnold.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 20, 2018, 12:57:52 PM
I just wrote about this in the Defensive Rankings thread. There's a lot of pass-rushing talent potentially set for free agency. I'd love to add talent via cash and then draft a lot of young offensive players to help Darnold.
We're in lockstep on that.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 21, 2018, 07:50:27 AM
frank clark will also be a FA but he'll probably get tagged
it'd be awesome if we got one of the big names, but i can totally see us ending up with somebody like dante fowler jr once the dust setles
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 21, 2018, 07:52:33 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2018, 09:05:16 AM
Sign Flowers and draft Josh Allen. Problem solved.
Flowers and Allen with Jenkins and Copeland as rotational depth.
Move Luvu to Mike.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 21, 2018, 06:11:25 PM
On the bright side, I can't remember a better crop of pass rushers potentially available in free agency. Demarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Trey Flowers all have the potential to break free...
With all our money, and the dearth of offensive guys available... I would not be surprised if we went after two of them.
I would not be upset with a FA class of Leveon Bell, Demarcus Lawrence and Jadeveon Clowney.
Post by: reuben on December 21, 2018, 08:32:26 PM
With all our money, and the dearth of offensive guys available... I would not be surprised if we went after two of them.
I would not be upset with a FA class of Leveon Bell, Demarcus Lawrence and Jadeveon Clowney.
Yeah we've got a lot of money but as I think JE mentioned a while back we've also got a largely vacated roster after this year. 150 million on three contracts might be a little tough.
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Josh McCown QB 40 NYJ TBD $10,000,000 UFA -
Avery Williamson ILB 27 NYJ TBD $7,500,000 UFA -
Morris Claiborne CB 29 NYJ TBD $7,000,000 UFA -
Buster Skrine CB 30 NYJ TBD $6,250,000 UFA -
James Carpenter G 30 NYJ TBD $4,775,000 UFA -
Jermaine Kearse WR 29 NYJ TBD $4,500,000 UFA -
Bilal Powell RB 30 NYJ TBD $3,750,000 UFA -
Steve McLendon DT 33 NYJ TBD $3,500,000 UFA -
Quincy Enunwa WR 27 NYJ TBD $2,914,000 UFA Market Value
Benjamin Ijalana RT 30 NYJ TBD $2,500,000 UFA -
Rontez Miles FS 30 NYJ TBD $1,907,000 UFA -
Brent Qvale RT 28 NYJ TBD $1,907,000 UFA -
Neal Sterling TE 27 NYJ TBD $1,907,000 UFA -
Josh Martin OLB 27 NYJ TBD $1,900,000 UFA -
Jeremiah Attaochu OLB 25 NYJ TBD $1,365,000 UFA -
Brandon Copeland DE 28 NYJ TBD $1,200,000 UFA -
Andre Roberts WR 31 NYJ TBD $1,005,000 UFA -
Rishard Matthews WR 29 NYJ TBD $915,000 UFA -
Dakota Dozier G 28 NYJ TBD $880,000 UFA -
Jonotthan Harrison C 28 NYJ TBD $880,000 UFA -
Emmanuel Lamur OLB 29 NYJ TBD $790,000 UFA -
Henry Anderson DE 28 NYJ TBD $720,529 UFA -
Neville Hewitt OLB 26 NYJ TBD $705,000 UFA -
Jason Myers K 28 NYJ TBD $705,000 UFA -
Eric Tomlinson TE 27 NYJ TBD $630,000 RFA -
Bronson Kaufusi DE 28 NYJ TBD $630,000 RFA -
Davis Webb QB 24 NYJ TBD $605,000 ERFA -
Darryl Roberts CB 28 NYJ TBD $583,556 UFA -
Doug Middleton FS 25 NYJ TBD $555,000 RFA -
Jeremy Clark CB 25 NYJ TBD $555,000 ERFA -
De'Angelo Henderson RB 26 NYJ TBD $555,000 -
Eric Smith T 23 NYJ TBD $555,000 ERFA -
Robby Anderson WR 26 NYJ TBD $543,333 RFA -
Frankie Luvu LB 22 NYJ TBD $480,000 ERFA -
Deontay Burnett WR 21 NYJ TBD $480,000 ERFA -
Anthony Wint LB 23 NYJ TBD $480,000 ERFA
Aside from RFA's, I'd like to keep Enunwa, Williamson, Anderson, Claiborne, Harrison, Copeland, and Myers. Even after that, we've still got no nickel. No nose. No left guard. We've got a lot of money to burn but there's a lot to buy.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 21, 2018, 09:44:15 PM
Post by: reuben on December 21, 2018, 10:22:16 PM
Williamson is not an impending free agent.
Right you are. OK, one down.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2018, 10:35:58 PM
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Morris Claiborne CB 29 NYJ TBD $7,000,000 UFA
Buster Skrine CB 30 NYJ TBD $6,250,000 UFA
James Carpenter G 30 NYJ TBD $4,775,000 UFA
Jermaine Kearse WR 29 NYJ TBD $4,500,000 UFA
All four of these dudes can GTFO
Post by: reuben on December 21, 2018, 11:48:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2018, 11:34:39 AM
I really hate Jermaine Kearse. He has been a complete POS this yearI think he's a good guy but a dud on the field. At least he's a good influence off the field, but he's a goner.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 23, 2018, 05:26:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2018, 10:33:58 AM
Kinda a POS but may end up being the top FA WR
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2018, 10:36:31 AM
Per Josina Anderson: DeSean Jackson wants out of TB and the #Buccaneers would save $10M in cap space if they release him, so a split this offseason seems likely.Seems like he should be 47 years old by now.
Kinda a POS but may end up being the top FA WR
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2018, 11:17:02 AM
Seems like he should be 47 years old by now.
Leads the NFL in YPR
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2019, 08:08:17 PM
👀
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/1/7/18166607/scouting-jets-offensive-lineman-eric-smithWow, he finally got the surgery.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
Everyone do your part and ratio this fool
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2019, 02:56:41 PM
https://twitter.com/evan_winter/status/1109848163786149890
Everyone do your part and ratio this fool
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.
Post by: Gorilla on March 24, 2019, 03:25:15 PM
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.
This X a billion.
Finding/calling out/correcting clueless, willfully ignorant dipshits on twitter is like actively looking for skidmarks in a homeless guy's tattered underwear.
Twitter serves a useful purpose, but it's also a goddamn cesspool. Kind of like, you know, an actual cesspool.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2019, 03:39:59 PM
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2019, 03:42:06 PM
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
Twitter is just how stupid people who write blogs advertise to other stupid people who might read them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2019, 03:44:01 PM
Twitter is just how stupid people who write blogs advertise to other stupid people who might read them.
This is correct. I never would have come across it though if it wasn’t really that bad of a take
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.Settle down, Francis.
Post by: Gorilla on March 24, 2019, 04:05:23 PM
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
Same here, haha, at least we have some consideration and shame. We happen to be a very discerning group of 11 dumb bastards.
It's incredible how the Hot Take industry has taken such root on social media and the talking head sports shows.
There are actual humans who strive to be the next Skip Bayless or Jason Whitlock or...(shudder) Incarcerated Bob.
Post by: klaximilian on March 24, 2019, 09:08:00 PM
This X a billion.
Finding/calling out/correcting clueless, willfully ignorant dipshits on twitter is like actively looking for skidmarks in a homeless guy's tattered underwear.
Twitter serves a useful purpose, but it's also a goddamn cesspool. Kind of like, you know, an actual cesspool.
I remember a time when an actual cesspool was used for excrement posts.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 24, 2019, 09:13:43 PM
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
It's an SB Nation blog. Not like it's a big time reputable publication.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2019, 09:16:56 PM
It's an SB Nation blog. Not like it's a big time reputable publication.
More reputable than the NY Daily News
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2019, 10:43:08 AM
This is good #content
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 26, 2019, 12:19:15 PM
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2019, 12:23:18 PM
Michael Lombardi
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
This is freaking stupid
Landed the best offensive and defensive free agents and drafted arguably the best player in the draft...
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
Scouting changes usually happen post draft, I think. If Lombardi is talking about wholesale changes to the scouting team then that would surely suggest support for Maccagnan rather than him being weakened.
Post by: reuben on April 26, 2019, 12:39:46 PM
Michael Lombardi
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
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Billy Marshall
@BillyM_91
Pauline “I have a heard since FA that there is a big rift between Adam Gase and Mike Maccagnan. Gase wanted some players signed like Darren Fells and Matt Paradis. They aren’t seeing eye to eye”
I'm on the fence regarding Mac for reasons that have been discussed here ad nauseam.
I'm not on the fence about Adam Gase, however. I'm still squarely in the "why the freak did we hire this guy?" side of the yard. I'm trying to keep as open a mind as possible and stay optimistic, but out of every head coach candidate we were linked to, Adam Gase was the only coach I expressly did not want. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'll take this report with a grain of salt, but if it's accurate, freak Adam Gase all the way to a one-and-done. You can't win with the biggest free agent haul of all time because the GM didn't give you a 33 year old blocking tight end? freak YOURSELF.
[Insert eye-to-eye with Adam Gase joke here]
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2019, 12:44:24 PM
I'm on the fence regarding Mac for reasons that have been discussed here ad nauseam.
I'm not on the fence about Adam Gase, however. I'm still squarely in the "why the freak did we hire this guy?" side of the yard. I'm trying to keep as open a mind as possible and stay optimistic, but out of every head coach candidate we were linked to, Adam Gase was the only coach I expressly did not want. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'll take this report with a grain of salt, but if it's accurate, freak Adam Gase all the way to a one-and-done. You can't win with the biggest free agent haul of all time because the GM didn't give you a 33 year old blocking tight end? freak YOURSELF.
[Insert eye-to-eye with Adam Gase joke here]
A-freaking-men
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2019, 12:54:27 PM
Michael Lombardi
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
“100 percent false. Maybe 200 percent.”
- Manish
Post by: Gorilla on April 26, 2019, 12:59:51 PM
1st rounders have been good. Trade for Darnold is the highlight, but that took incredible luck along with an overpay on the Jets' part.
Again, he's far from the best GM, and far from the worst. He's clearly been a massive upgrade over Idzik.
His most egregious error, and why I wouldn't riot on my front lawn with his departure, is the contract offer to Cousins. That would have been franchise wrecking...giving a barely above average, non-difference-making, 30-yr-old QB a cap albatross of a dumbass contract. Think of the hope that ultra-talented, 21-yr-old Darnold gives the fanbase and team, along with the delicious gravy of a cheap rookie contract. Think of the Cousins alternative right now. Nauseous yet?
Fortunately it didn't come to pass, and Maccagnan has mostly done an admirable job since, imo.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2019, 01:43:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2019, 02:00:30 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
I'm on the fence regarding Mac for reasons that have been discussed here ad nauseam.
I'm not on the fence about Adam Gase, however. I'm still squarely in the "why the freak did we hire this guy?" side of the yard. I'm trying to keep as open a mind as possible and stay optimistic, but out of every head coach candidate we were linked to, Adam Gase was the only coach I expressly did not want. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'll take this report with a grain of salt, but if it's accurate, freak Adam Gase all the way to a one-and-done. You can't win with the biggest free agent haul of all time because the GM didn't give you a 33 year old blocking tight end? freak YOURSELF.
[Insert eye-to-eye with Adam Gase joke here]
This is what I was saying about Kingsbury, if you hired a guy, give him what he needs to “make it work” for the cards, that was Kyler Murray. If Gase needs specific players, we need to do what we can to get them.
Now Daniel Fells is not a big missed opportunity in my eyes, but we were all devastated about Paradis, because we know Sam needs a freaking Center to keep him alive. Mac shouldn’t be tired after the draft by any stretch, talk about organizational disfunction. But if Mac and Gase can’t get along already, chances are really good this season is headed for the toilet and there should be an entire house cleaning. Mac has a chance to hire his own guy. He did. If they can’t make it work, both should be relieved of duty and sent on their way when the season is over.
freak this whole situation. If anything about this is legit, I imagine Duff had a trade down offer in hand that Gase thought was worth it to acquire more offensive talent at value and then Duff said it’s not enough we need to take this guy, and the rest of the teams needs consequences be damned.
That said there should be no freaking way Gase has enough pull in the organization right now that he can get Duff fired.
As for Duff being shitcanned on Monday, I don’t think that’s ever happened before. Given the Johnsons are all about fairness and good working environment even though people need to be fired, there is no way in hell we are doing that on Monday
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 26, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
Now Daniel Fells is not a big missed opportunity in my eyes, but we were all devastated about Paradis, because we know Sam needs a freaking Center to keep him alive. Mac shouldn’t be tired after the draft by any stretch, talk about organizational disfunction. But if Mac and Gase can’t get along already, chances are really good this season is headed for the toilet and there should be an entire house cleaning. Mac has a chance to hire his own guy. He did. If they can’t make it work, both should be relieved of duty and sent on their way when the season is over.
I think we were the actual frontrunners for Paradis, but after doing due medical diligence, there was enough there to scare off multiple teams from wanting to sign him.
i don't think maccagnan should be criticized for how he went about paradis, i actually think he did the right thing. what we should be pissed about is the fact that he didn't seem to have any sort of plan b/plan c in place after paradis, which dragged on for a few days.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
There may have been disagreement on the value of trade offers made to take the Jets' spot. Maybe Maccagnan drafted his BPA, while others may have felt an Oliver, Taylor, or someone else might've been the better choice.
But regardless, Gase doesn't have the clout to get Maccagnan fired. This team went the same route as Bowles/Maccagnan again and both guys are autonomous, and both report directly to Johnson.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2019, 03:11:57 PM
I really don't think Maccagnan is getting fired before the end of the year, but there might be some internal strife.
There may have been disagreement on the value of trade offers made to take the Jets' spot. Maybe Maccagnan drafted his BPA, while others may have felt an Oliver, Taylor, or someone else might've been the better choice.
But regardless, Gase doesn't have the clout to get Maccagnan fired. This team went the same route as Bowles/Maccagnan again and both guys are autonomous, and both report directly to Johnson.
Agreed.
In thinking about this more, Gase might just be bitching as he no longer has final say over personnel and that’s pissing him off that he is no longer autonomous
Post by: reuben on April 26, 2019, 03:17:00 PM
Mac has a chance to hire his own guy. He did.
There is no way Mike Maccagnan had carte blanche to hire his own head coach and I sincerely doubt he even had a deciding vote.
Now Daniel Fells is not a big missed opportunity in my eyes, but we were all devastated about Paradis, because we know Sam needs a freaking Center to keep him alive.
Sure. Not signing Paradis or Morse will remain a mistake in my eyes until a) Mitch Morse and Matt Paradis both miss time this year due to injury, b) Jonotthan Harrison demonstrates significantly improved play with a high quality guard on his left flank, or c) we draft someone tonight or tomorrow or sign/trade for someone in the next few months who improves the position.
But I don't think those possibilities are outrageously unlikely.
Post by: reuben on April 26, 2019, 03:30:10 PM
This is what I was saying about Kingsbury, if you hired a guy, give him what he needs to “make it work” for the cards, that was Kyler Murray. If Gase needs specific players, we need to do what we can to get them.
Like the Eagles did for Chip Kelly? And that was after he at least demonstrated some winning ability. "Look at what the Cardinals are doing" is rarely a recipe for excellence.
If we just brought Nick Saban in, sure, give him every goddamn player he asks for. Remake the franchise in his image. For the dude with the abrasive reputation and losing record who just got fired by the worst team in the division, he gets a Josh Bellamy. If he can somehow find a way to squeeze production out of JAGs like Le'Veon Bell and Sam Darnold, he can have some more. But not before.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2019, 03:53:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Cnimbley/status/1121868960268521477
So I talked to two different sources but to be clear neither of them are employed by #Jets. Both sources told me that they have indeed heard that Macc is in trouble. They say Gase is making a power play, not sure it’ll work or not but if it doesn’t that’ll create a huge mess
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
Like the Eagles did for Chip Kelly? And that was after he at least demonstrated some winning ability. "Look at what the Cardinals are doing" is rarely a recipe for excellence.
If we just brought Nick Saban in, sure, give him every goddamn player he asks for. Remake the franchise in his image. For the dude with the abrasive reputation and losing record who just got fired by the worst team in the division, he gets a Josh Bellamy. If he can somehow find a way to squeeze production out of JAGs like Le'Veon Bell and Sam Darnold, he can have some more. But not before.
I’m not saying he gets everything he wants, but he needs to be given enough leeway to figure his excrement out and do it his way, or else why the freak did you hire him?
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 26, 2019, 04:20:37 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 26, 2019, 04:24:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2019, 04:54:20 PM
That said, if we fire Macc because Gase doesn’t like him or wants more power, I’m back to having zero faith in this organization.
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2019, 05:07:15 PM
FYI...this is what happens when the HC reports directly to the owner instead of the GM.
Partly, but also this is what happens when you hire a swivel-eyed headcase despite every freaking logical thought telling you to not even interview him. Chris Johnson may be a nice bloke but hiring Gase was utter idiocy.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2019, 05:08:42 PM
Partly, but also this is what happens when you hire a swivel-eyed headcase despite every freaking logical thought telling you to not even interview him. Chris Johnson may be a nice bloke but hiring Gase was utter idiocy.Line up the manitobas
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 26, 2019, 05:09:12 PM
We were 10-6 in '15 and I wouldn't put the losing squarely at his feet. That being said, he's been thoroughly average at best and I continue to hold that drafting Hackenberg was a fireable offense that should not have gone unpunished.
My brain refuses to think that Todd Bowles had a winning season.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2019, 05:09:29 PM
Partly, but also this is what happens when you hire a swivel-eyed headcase despite every freaking logical thought telling you to not even interview him. Chris Johnson may be a nice bloke but hiring Gase was utter idiocy.
So what you’re saying is you agree with MB and we should have let the GM hire the HC
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
So what you’re saying is you agree with MB and we should have let the GM hire the HC
Yes. He and I have always agreed on that, because even he and I can't be so dumb as to think that the way the Johnsons do it makes a lick of sense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2019, 05:13:09 PM
I thought Macc should have been fired and Gase was pretty much the last HC I wanted.
That said, if we fire Macc because Gase doesn’t like him or wants more power, I’m back to having zero faith in this organization.
I'm pretty much back there already.
I was with you the whole time at the end of the season on the fire Maccagnan bandwagon, and I've yet to see anything this offseason that changes my mind. (Wait, sorry, I'm supposed to be glad we're throwing away another former first rounder because we gleefully overpaid another ILB to get him to come here).
Maccagnan and Gase can both GTFO. They should've cleaned house in January, hired a GM, and let him hire his own coach. But Jets.
Post by: Jumbo on April 26, 2019, 05:18:45 PM
But if that report is true, freak that excrement. That's a completely toxic way to run an organization. If he wants that power he better deliver immediate results or he can gtfo after this season
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2019, 11:22:26 PM
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Maccagnan says he & Adam Gase “work very well together.” Said he’s had a “great working relationship” with Gase.
Hughes
Let’s take a breather and listen to the legitimate reporters before we jump on a Pauline rumor
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2019, 01:32:36 AM
At most I'd imagine it being a passionate disagreement about draft picks
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2019, 01:48:02 AM
A-freaking-menDouble A Men
Post by: IATA on April 27, 2019, 02:25:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2019, 08:03:36 AM
lets fire gase. no mercy.
X2
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2019, 08:05:07 AM
X2
let's give Gase a 10 yr extension.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2019, 08:06:19 AM
Fake. News.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/27/mike-maccagnan-addresses-reports-about-his-future/
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2019, 09:07:18 AM
lets fire gase. no mercy.Kenny Loggins interim HC
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2019, 09:24:42 AM
Kenny Loggins interim HC
User has been banned
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2019, 09:26:49 AM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2019, 10:27:42 AM
Make it happen, Dowell!
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2019, 08:55:35 AM
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Long-time #Jets RB & now FA Bilal Powell was fully cleared from a neck injury that was once thought to threaten his career, teams were informed in a letter. Powell, who averaged 4.3 yards per rush last year, is healthy & says he’s “really looking forward to getting back to work.”
I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happy for us to give him a new deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2019, 09:40:02 AM
I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happy for us to give him a new deal.
User has been banned for posting content from twitter
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2019, 09:56:27 AM
User has been banned for posting content from twitter
I took it off Reddit.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2019, 07:28:00 PM
I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happy for us to give him a new deal.The way our RB depth chart is now, we could use another body. I like McGuire as a pass-catcher but he's proven nothing as a runner. I like Montgomery as a pass-catcher but I don't think he can stay healthy getting significant carries. And Cannon is a total wild card. If Bell were to get hurt, we don't really have a quality backup right now, and Powell would likely come dirt cheap.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 09, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
My quarterback
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2019, 08:17:33 PM
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NFLTotalAccess/status/1126637917315551232I want to believe
My quarterback
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 12, 2019, 10:27:31 AM
Sanchize knows where it's at.
He didn't drop anything there, that's progress.
Post by: Johnny English on May 19, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
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Chad Forbes @NFLDraftBites
Spoke to rival GM today on #Jets. Said a lot of players are available via trade...
QB Davis Webb
OT Brandon Shell
DT Nathan Shepherd / Fatukusi
LB Jordan Jenkins
‘They won’t give away Marcus Maye and we’re mixed on if he’s a good player... but he could be had for a 3rd.’
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 19, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 19, 2019, 10:27:01 AM
https://www.thelines.com/nfl-win-totals-2019/
The Jets are predicted to be a sub .500 team by pretty much everyone.
Post by: insanity on May 19, 2019, 11:22:00 AM
I have no idea who Chad Forbes is.Is davis Webb even on this team anymore?
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 19, 2019, 02:16:53 PM
I have no idea who Chad Forbes is.
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
He’s the guy who tweeted yesterday that OBJ is holding a press conference on Monday to come out of the closet. That tweet had been deleted, with a new tweet claiming his phone got hacked.
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2019, 06:42:44 PM
Vegas odds:Jokes on them when we win exactly 8 or maybe 9 games.
https://www.thelines.com/nfl-win-totals-2019/
The Jets are predicted to be a sub .500 team by pretty much everyone.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 19, 2019, 07:28:31 PM
I have no idea who Chad Forbes is.To be fair, is it really a scoop to say that mid-round draft picks from the previous GM that mostly aren't that good are available? Of course Davis Webb is available, if we can get anything for him, that would be a coup. Fatukasi and Shepherd have proven nothing. Shell is good, and Maye has ability, but if the Jets could get a 3rd-rounder for Maye, I'm sure they would do it.
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 20, 2019, 07:26:32 AM
To be fair, is it really a scoop to say that mid-round draft picks from the previous GM that mostly aren't that good are available? Of course Davis Webb is available, if we can get anything for him, that would be a coup. Fatukasi and Shepherd have proven nothing. Shell is good, and Maye has ability, but if the Jets could get a 3rd-rounder for Maye, I'm sure they would do it.
Agreed on everyone except for Maye. Why dealing a player who showed can contribute when healthy and who doesn't really have a good replacement for a third on a draft that will take place in a year. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 20, 2019, 08:25:20 AM
Agreed on everyone except for Maye. Why dealing a player who showed can contribute when healthy and who doesn't really have a good replacement for a third on a draft that will take place in a year. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I mean unless the logic is you can't give both him and Adams a big contract. But if that's the case realistically you wait to trade him heading into the final year of his rookie contract
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 20, 2019, 10:24:21 AM
As for Maye, if someone is willing to give a third or better for him, I think it would be good to take it. He's shown himself to be unreliable in terms of health, so take the pick and move on.
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2019, 10:25:55 AM
That list is laughable. What GM is thinking "Wait, Fatukasi is available? Call Adam right now!"? Jenkins is the only player there who has any value, other than Maye.
As for Maye, if someone is willing to give a third or better for him, I think it would be good to take it. He's shown himself to be unreliable in terms of health, so take the pick and move on.
Shell is probably the most valuable player on that list, including Maye. And I'll be thorough pissed if we trade him given he's our starting right tackle.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 20, 2019, 10:52:27 AM
Shell is probably the most valuable player on that list, including Maye. And I'll be thorough pissed if we trade him given he's our starting right tackle.
My bad, you're right. I had forgotten he was on the list by the time I went to write that post.
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2019, 11:19:08 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini
The #Jets have signed free-agent P Matt Darr. He punted for Adam Gase in Miami in 2016. Appeared in five game for Buffalo last season. Competition for Lach Edwards.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 20, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2019, 12:03:17 PM
I still can't understand what Lachlan Edwards has to do to get some respect from this team. He was 5th in the NFL in yards per punt (45.9) last year.
I agree that Edwards is a pretty decent punter, but I hate YPP as a stat. It's heavily driven by field position, which has nothing to do with the punter - any punter who plays for a team with a excrement offense that regularly goes three and out from inside their own 20 is going to have good YPP numbers because they've got a lot of field to work with.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 20, 2019, 12:14:56 PM
I agree that Edwards is a pretty decent punter, but I hate YPP as a stat. It's heavily driven by field position, which has nothing to do with the punter - any punter who plays for a team with a excrement offense that regularly goes three and out from inside their own 20 is going to have good YPP numbers because they've got a lot of field to work with.
True enough, but you can only work with the situations you're given.
Post by: Johnny English on May 21, 2019, 08:26:15 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2019, 08:28:32 AM
https://apnews.com/8cfbcfd44bc34a05b5518d8cdaf55661
this guy needs to be tied to a stake and lit up like Mance Rayder.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2019, 08:31:35 PM
Pretty much what you would expect, though I admittedly had no idea Calvin Ridley had that kind of juice.
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2019, 08:38:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2019, 10:28:08 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/t4f3q5aaim031.jpg?width=960&height=689&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d9ae7e38e8f1a6413e7c9ac40e2900923bb62c08)
Pretty much what you would expect, though I admittedly had no idea Calvin Ridley had that kind of juice.
Lane Kiffin used to call this post play for Ridley and he would just smoke every DB.
Kiffin would signal a TD before the ball was even thrown.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 26, 2019, 10:39:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2019, 04:00:32 PM
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2019, 12:13:05 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2019, 01:05:27 PM
#Jets will honor former center @KevinMawae and his induction into the @ProFootballHOF this summer with a halftime ceremony on Oct. 21 during the MNF game against the Patriots. Mawae will receive his HOF ring that night.
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2019, 08:00:41 PM
Mostly pretty positive and upbeat.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 24, 2019, 06:04:32 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2019, 06:21:42 PM
Joe Namath will be on with Howard Stern today. Should be entertaining
Joe is an absolute freaking treasure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7nxU3QadIA
Post by: dcm1602 on July 05, 2019, 04:36:37 PM
I mean him and Darnold were decent enough together last year, but does he offer enough to be worthwhile?
Post by: Johnny English on July 05, 2019, 05:04:49 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 05, 2019, 07:56:55 PM
No. He was excrement before and he's excrement now. There's a reason he doesn't stick anywhere, he's tall and fast and has OK hands, but he's a crappy route runner and he can't get separation.
I don't disagree that he's excrement now. But to be worthwhile he doesn't need to be good, he needs to bring more to the table than Josh Bellamy, charone peake, Tim white, Dortch etc etc
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 05, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 05, 2019, 08:59:56 PM
I don't disagree that he's excrement now. But to be worthwhile he doesn't need to be good, he needs to bring more to the table than Josh Bellamy, charone peake, Tim white, Dortch etc etc
Bellamy and Dortch play special teams
Pryor hurt Sam more than he helped with his shitty, half assed route running
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 06, 2019, 05:31:46 PM
couldn’t be me
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 13, 2019, 01:44:43 AM
Terelle Pryor is not worth the last few posts that were typed out about him
I laughed louder than I should have at this.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 16, 2019, 05:54:52 PM
Post by: insanity on July 22, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 23, 2019, 08:35:22 AM
Honestly, I didn't recall most of these guys were even on the team.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 23, 2019, 08:43:33 AM
The Jets are cutting De'Angelo Henderson ahead of camp. RB depth will be Bell, McGuire, Powell, Cannon, Montgomery, Holmes.
Honestly, I didn't recall most of these guys were even on the team.
Valentine Holmes can’t play in 2019 so he doesn’t really count.
I hope TyMont wins the backup job. His versatility sets him apart.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 23, 2019, 11:46:27 AM
Valentine Holmes can’t play in 2019 so he doesn’t really count.
I hope TyMont wins the backup job. His versatility sets him apart.
Yeah, I put Holmes at the end because he's a project player. I don't care who gets the backup job. Bell's getting the majority of snaps anyway. I'm cool with Montgomery getting the #2 job, I'm always a fan of pass-catching threats out of the backfield.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 24, 2019, 01:21:26 PM
Valentine Holmes can’t play in 2019 so he doesn’t really count.I think Ty Montgomery is a near lock to make the roster, especially with Maccagnan getting fired. I know Macc signed Montgomery, too, but he seems like a good fit for what Gase likes to do.
I hope TyMont wins the backup job. His versatility sets him apart.
Montgomery is about a year-and-a-half older than Cannon and McGuire, but he's got a much more defined role and he's better. I like McGuire as a pass catcher, but Montgomery is far more proven.
To me, it's Powell vs McGuire vs Cannon for RB3 (and maybe RB4). Maccagnan's exit hurts McGuire and Cannon a lot. And I also wouldn't be surprised at all if our 3rd or 4th RB isn't even on the roster right now. With Douglas not coming on board until late in the offseason, he missed out on bringing in a lot of young camp bodies at RB. He might have his eye on final cuts on other teams to fill out the RB depth chart.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2019, 08:10:06 PM
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 25, 2019, 06:30:15 AM
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2019, 07:09:37 PM
Post by: reuben on August 02, 2019, 03:20:32 PM
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports free agent CB Morris Claiborne is facing a four-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Per Rapsheet, Claiborne is appealing in hopes of a reduced ban. This would seem to be the reason Claiborne remains unsigned, though the veteran did work out for the Vikings last week. Claiborne is coming off a down year in 2018 that saw him earn PFF's No. 98 coverage grade out of 123 qualifiers at cornerback.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 03, 2019, 05:53:42 PM
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2019, 08:16:58 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2019, 10:34:33 AM
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MARCUS MAYE
DB, NEW YORK JETS
Jets coach Adam Gase said S Marcus Maye has a nerve injury in his shoulder.
Maye was placed on the active/PUP to start camp and has yet to practice. Gase did not put a timetable on the safety's return and did not seem to be particularly optimistic. "There’s nothing he can do about this. It’s a nerve injury. That’s what it is." It sounds like it is possible Maye begins the season on the reserve/PUP, which would cost him at least the first six games.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 08, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
Not sure why we wouldn’t do this considering our CB depth
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
The #Chiefs are giving CB Mo Claiborne a 1-year deal worth up to $1.5M, source said. He’ll be suspended the first four games of the season, which KC has known since they began negotiating with him.
Not sure why we wouldn’t do this considering our CB depth
That turd is suspended 4 games
KYRON BROWN SZN STARTS TONIGHT
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
I'm curious to see if any of the success Daryl Roberts has supposedly been having is real. I like him enough as a backup, but I need some convincing that he's a viable regular starter.
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2019, 02:31:23 PM
I was all for bringing back Claiborne, but since he's getting the first month off, screw him.
I'm curious to see if any of the success Daryl Roberts has supposedly been having is real. I like him enough as a backup, but I need some convincing that he's a viable regular starter.
I think he's viable in the sense that he's going to have to do, but he's probably the top of the upgrade list. He's going into his 5th season as a pro now, I think we've seen his ceiling.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2019, 02:37:30 PM
I think he's viable in the sense that he's going to have to do, but he's probably the top of the upgrade list. He's going into his 5th season as a pro now, I think we've seen his ceiling.
Trust me, I'm under no false impression that he's an answer at the position. But at worst, he's better than Marcus Williams was, and we survived that.
Post by: MoreCharacters on August 11, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
and then he played every game and was never injured again for 7 years
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 13, 2019, 01:32:39 PM
Bears waive Emanuel Hall
He can fly but he is also Charmin soft
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2019, 04:50:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Beats me
Post by: Libero_2 on August 19, 2019, 06:20:49 AM
I’m sure Williamson had some impact on his decision
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2019, 08:46:33 AM
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Clowney-trade-Dolphins-Seahawks-Eagles-Jets-14396505.php
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2019, 09:21:55 AM
Jets are in the Clowney conversation, although it doesn't sound like particularly seriously.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Clowney-trade-Dolphins-Seahawks-Eagles-Jets-14396505.php
I imagine our goal is to ensure the Dolphins pay top dollar to get him
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2019, 10:26:45 AM
I imagine our goal is to ensure the Dolphins pay top dollar to get him
whichever team gets him...it's only for a year. Clowney can't be extended until the offseason.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2019, 10:31:49 PM
whichever team gets him...it's only for a year. Clowney can't be extended until the offseason.
I suppose my choice of words was retarded
I meant more compensation for the Texans
Post by: Johnny English on August 30, 2019, 08:05:12 AM
whichever team gets him...it's only for a year. Clowney can't be extended until the offseason.
You're right, but I suspect that any team trading for him would require a commitment, albeit nothing more than a gentleman's agreement, to a long term deal.
Post by: MBGreen on August 30, 2019, 08:14:00 AM
You're right, but I suspect that any team trading for him would require a commitment, albeit nothing more than a gentleman's agreement, to a long term deal.
I'm not sure i'd want to part with significant draft capital for a "gentleman's agreement".
Post by: Johnny English on August 30, 2019, 08:23:56 AM
I'm not sure i'd want to part with significant draft capital for a "gentleman's agreement".
I agree. I think it's going to have to be a team that he wants to play for that has faith in him honouring it, and I'm not sure we'd fall into that category. He's a really good player but I don't think he's the missing link for us.
Post by: MBGreen on August 30, 2019, 08:52:59 AM
I agree. I think it's going to have to be a team that he wants to play for that has faith in him honouring it, and I'm not sure we'd fall into that category. He's a really good player but I don't think he's the missing link for us.
The Texans offered Clowney and a 1st rounder to Miami for Laremy Tunsil....Miami shot that down pretty quick.
Post by: insanity on August 30, 2019, 07:30:25 PM
I dont understand
Post by: Heismanberg on August 30, 2019, 07:31:53 PM
Aaron wilson says we're actively looking for a rb via trade...
I dont understand
We need a power back.
Bilal Powell isn't good anymore. Trenton Cannon was never good at running back. Ty Montgomery is a gadget player that can help us as a receiver and runner.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 30, 2019, 07:39:37 PM
We need a power back.
Bilal Powell isn't good anymore. Trenton Cannon was never good at running back. Ty Montgomery is a gadget player that can help us as a receiver and runner.
I meant wasn't Mcguire kind of what you'd want for that role?
And not sure what would we want a powerback for. To cut Bilal? Or is the expectation that we find a powerback who can return kicks and punts
Am confused
Post by: Heismanberg on August 30, 2019, 07:54:13 PM
I meant wasn't Mcguire kind of what you'd want for that role?
No
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Am confused
We're aware
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2019, 08:33:24 AM
Same with CB. No one worth starting (which is what is needed), but some decent depth should be out there. Once our top 4 corners all go down in the same game, we'll need it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 31, 2019, 12:38:05 PM
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2019, 11:31:24 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 03, 2019, 07:31:23 AM
New protocol for tickets requires you to download and register on the Jets app. Mild pain in the derriere for me but potentially a deal breaker for older fans.
When they start seeing empty seats all over TV they'll make the necessary adjustments.
Post by: insanity on September 03, 2019, 08:09:43 AM
When they start seeing empty seats all over TV they'll make the necessary adjustments.LMAO downloading an app isnt going to effect ticket sales
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 03, 2019, 11:30:20 AM
LMAO downloading an app isnt going to effect ticket sales
It will come down to winning or losing as it always has. Good thing is if there are empty seats they won't be bright red like they used to be.
Post by: reuben on September 05, 2019, 05:35:32 PM
Post by: insanity on September 05, 2019, 07:47:01 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/wic2wbn37uk31.jpg?width=960&height=661&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ce7ccada696de56e5612eb9d43bf88b1d900ba1a)Bless you
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 05, 2019, 11:54:16 PM
Bless youThank you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 06, 2019, 08:25:32 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 10, 2019, 04:28:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1171535192051220480
Post by: Johnny English on September 10, 2019, 06:39:34 PM
Tannenbaum says his biggest regret as Jets GM was not finding a way to keep Jerricho Cotchery. Interesting response.
https://twitter.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1171535192051220480
Good for him, that's a semi-honest response and it wouldn't be right to throw Rex under the bus. I think it was clear that Rex wanted Mason in and didn't understand Cotchery's value, and I recall a lot of us being pretty pissed about it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2019, 08:26:31 PM
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Jets tryouts reported today: WRs Carlton Agudosi, Amara Darboh, Krishawn Hogan, Joe Horn, DeAndre Thompkins, Jordan veasy, Kendall Wright; TEs Stephen Anderson, Donald Parham, Ross Travis; QBs Taryn Christion, Tyree Jackson, Mike White ... more
Couple interesting names in there for me- Darboh, Parham, Tyree Jackson
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
Edit: Jr.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2019, 03:51:44 PM
Post by: insanity on September 15, 2019, 03:18:48 PM
5 for 74 and 1 td
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
Devin smithHappy for him. Injuries ruined his career here. Unfortunate that he fell to the Jets' 2nd-round curse.
5 for 74 and 1 td
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2019, 07:53:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2019, 09:19:13 AM
Alan Hahn
@alanhahn
“We’re in a world of suck right now.” - #Jets LT Kelvin Beachum. I appreciate his honesty
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2019, 10:56:59 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2019, 11:29:06 AM
Knowing i spent $225 on a Sunday Ticket subscription for this trash season makes me nauseous.
My thoughts exactly yesterday, first year I did it and full of regret
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2019, 11:29:56 AM
Knowing i spent $225 on a Sunday Ticket subscription for this trash season makes me nauseous.
$20 a month for DAZN, half the price for a lot more sport and I can watch it anywhere.
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2019, 11:39:54 AM
$20 a month for DAZN, half the price for a lot more sport and I can watch it anywhere.I tried DAZN a few years ago and it was trash quality
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2019, 11:42:10 AM
I tried DAZN a few years ago and it was trash quality
I've never found it to be anything short of perfect. My only complaint is that their Samsung Smart TV app never worked properly, but seeing as I can (and do) run it from my PS4 that's a non-issue.
Maybe get a better network?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2019, 11:45:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2019, 11:46:23 AM
I've never found it to be anything short of perfect. My only complaint is that their Samsung Smart TV app never worked properly, but seeing as I can (and do) run it from my PS4 that's a non-issue.Well lah tee dah for you
Maybe get a better network?
My network is fine
DAZN is a british company...so now we know why you’re in kahuts with them
Post by: insanity on September 17, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 17, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
Apparently J Harrison played a quarter of the snaps last night and that might continue moving forward. Not sure if this is the cause, but the offense did seem to be moving better later in the game.
You have to figure, even if he's not as talented as Kalil, he's younger and didn't just come off his couch.
I was in favor of bringing back Harrison in the first place, so I won't complain. I just doubt he's going to fix things. The entire unit looks bad.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2019, 03:38:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2019, 03:41:34 PM
Apparently Kaep or his agent have reached out to the Jets (and one or two other teams with injured QB's) about an opportunity
Woody Johnson and Koz would never let it happen.
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2019, 03:48:07 PM
Apparently Kaep or his agent have reached out to the Jets (and one or two other teams with injured QB's) about an opportunity
I like Kaep as a player and as an individual, but he hasn't played for three years. We need a backup for hopefully no more than two more game, weeks 3 and 5, and then we'll be back to Sam with Falk backing him up. I'd rather bring someone like Osweiler or Fales in for now.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 17, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 17, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
I like Kaep as a player and as an individual, but he hasn't played for three years. We need a backup for hopefully no more than two more game, weeks 3 and 5, and then we'll be back to Sam with Falk backing him up. I'd rather bring someone like Osweiler or Fales in for now.Kaepernick ship has sailed unfortunately. He should have gotten a job in the NFL already, but we need someone who knows the system or can pick it up quickly. If Darnold were out for the year, Kaep would make more sense. But by the time Kaepernick would get up to speed, Darnold would be a game or two away from returning.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
We sign that piece of garbage and I'll be sure to check out for the rest of the season.If you made it through Vick you can *not* have a meltdown over Kaep
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Post by: Jumbo on September 17, 2019, 05:57:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2019, 05:58:10 PM
As stated above, for all practical reasons it doesn't make sense, he's been out of the game too long and I don't think he would be effective. But if this season is truly already lost, it would be worth it to upset the biggest crybabies in the nation.
Johnny English thanks you for this post
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2019, 06:31:53 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 17, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
If you made it through Vick you can *not* have a meltdown over Kaep
I didn't make it through Vick. The one year where the wife got to dress Lou solely in a Giants jersey, usually we rotate. I wasn't going to subject the poor doggo to rooting for that fuckin scumbag.
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
If the target is week 5 for Darnold, I wouldn't risk rushing any injured guys like Mosley or Quinnen back this week. Rest them. Just sign a QB for the vet minimum as backup (Fales?), take our derriere reaming this week, potentially injure some Patriots along the way, get into the bye and treat the rest of the season like a new year. We'll be 0-3, but weirder things have happened with 13 games left.
freak no. You don't beat New England by being able to put up big offensive numbers, you do it by stopping Brady. If we can put our full strength defense out there, get interior pressure against their banged up OL, and control the clock by loading up and running the ball with the occasional Robby strike to keep them honest, we can give them a game.
It's week 3, I'm not spending all week moping.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 18, 2019, 10:16:18 AM
As stated above, for all practical reasons it doesn't make sense, he's been out of the game too long and I don't think he would be effective. But if this season is truly already lost, it would be worth it to upset the biggest crybabies in the nation.
Johnny English thanks you for this post
+1
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 18, 2019, 10:44:08 PM
Post by: guinness77 on September 19, 2019, 02:37:00 AM
Falk, Ficken, and FalesOh, my
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2019, 11:50:22 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 11:03:44 AM
Reading this SI article about Calvin Johnson. Calvin called Shawn Jefferson the best receivers coach he had seen in the NFL. So at least there's that.
And Peyton gushed about Gase being a genius and QB savant.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2019, 01:24:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2019, 10:25:46 AM
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2019, 10:43:19 AM
Report is Herndon will be out for 2 weeksfreak this season man.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 10, 2019, 10:46:31 AM
Report is Herndon will be out for 2 weeks
Raise your hand if you think Herndon got a soft tissue injury because he didn’t do enough work while he was away.
If he wasn’t suspended I’d bet that injury doesn’t happen right then and there.
But freak it all
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2019, 12:25:03 PM
Raise your hand if you think Herndon got a soft tissue injury because he didn’t do enough work while he was away.
If he wasn’t suspended I’d bet that injury doesn’t happen right then and there.
But freak it all
We've already established this is not correct. Herndon was allowed to be at and workout at the facility
Post by: reuben on October 12, 2019, 04:47:54 PM
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We’ve signed DL Steve McLendon to a contract extension through the 2020 season. nyj.social/2M8fzVJ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGs8zqYWwAEyPZn.jpg)
Dude looks barely old enough to drink.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 12, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2019, 09:04:16 PM
This surprises me. I’m shocked they are committing to any player right now, let alone a guy past his prime
It’s a one year extension.
Not much of a commitment.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 13, 2019, 12:45:31 AM
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Post by: Miamipuck on October 13, 2019, 11:07:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191014/2d32e0cd5b3b6f8a70e20786a77d1b60.jpg)
I wish this guy a freaking speedy recovery.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2019, 02:55:00 PM
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That’s very positive news regarding Chris Herndon and CJ Mosley. Both guys have a chance to play this week. Gase sounded very optimistic about that.
Leggo
Post by: Jumbo on October 14, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
https://twitter.com/piesmantrophy/status/1072189344700657666
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 14, 2019, 03:11:37 PM
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
LFG
Post by: mj2sexay on October 16, 2019, 10:20:53 AM
Goodnight, sweet prince.
Post by: Jumbo on October 26, 2019, 02:38:20 PM
Post by: reuben on October 26, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
Carolina signs Greg Dortch off of our practice squad.
Goodnight, sweet prince.
I had no idea this happened.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2019, 05:17:54 PM
He wasn't elite, but I thought he was better than scrapheap bad.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2019, 05:40:32 PM
Detroit released Marcus Gilchrist. Who apparently they'd only signed 48 hours earlier.That was also 2016. He was starting with Darrelle Revis, Calvin Pryor and Buster Skrine. NFL comes at you fast.
He wasn't elite, but I thought he was better than scrapheap bad.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2019, 06:09:03 PM
That was also 2016. He was starting with Darrelle Revis, Calvin Pryor and Buster Skrine. NFL comes at you fast.Sure, but he's only 30.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 27, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
Detroit released Marcus Gilchrist. Who apparently they'd only signed 48 hours earlier.
He wasn't elite, but I thought he was better than scrapheap bad.
He was utter dogshit in 2016. I remember constantly screaming at my screen cause he blew his assigment and was more than happy when the Jets cut his derriere. Good riddance on the Lions end.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2019, 10:47:23 PM
@RichCimini
In addition to receiving calls on Leonard Williams and Robby Anderson, the Jets hearing from teams interested in Marcus Maye, per
@AdamSchefter
. #Jets told them he’s not available. Dallas had interest in Williams before Bennett trade. Watch the Texans.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2019, 01:49:50 AM
I'm not opposed to trading anyone. We need to redirect assets to the offensive line. If that means getting draft picks for guys like Robby, Leonard and Marcus, so be it.
Post by: insanity on October 28, 2019, 06:51:51 AM
That would be interesting. Maye has played well and I like him. But this could be his peak trade value, particularly with his injury history and contract situation.You are probably right that his trade value is at his peak but we cant blow everything up.
I'm not opposed to trading anyone. We need to redirect assets to the offensive line. If that means getting draft picks for guys like Robby, Leonard and Marcus, so be it.
1. I want to keep Jamal happy
2. No one is giving up a 1st for maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 08:15:28 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 08:47:52 AM
No one is giving a first or a second for anyone we are trying to move.
Well we're not trying to move Maye, so there is that. Makes me think a 1st is what it would take to get him
I've seen it floated that Leonard Williams could get a 2nd or two 3rds from nfl.com.
Is it likely no, but at least the analyst are floating it
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 08:53:29 AM
Well we're not trying to move Maye, so there is that. Makes me think a 1st is what it would take to get him
I've seen it floated that Leonard Williams could get a 2nd or two 3rds from nfl.com.
Is it likely no, but at least the analyst are floating it
Joe Douglas needs to fleece someone. I need to feel good about something this season.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
Well we're not trying to move Maye, so there is that. Makes me think a 1st is what it would take to get himNo one is giving a 1st or 2nd for Marcus Maye.
I've seen it floated that Leonard Williams could get a 2nd or two 3rds from nfl.com.
Is it likely no, but at least the analyst are floating it
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 10:19:18 AM
Joe Douglas needs to fleece someone. I need to feel good about something this season.Fast WR to Oakland sounds niiiice.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
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Post by: Koz on October 28, 2019, 10:59:23 AM
Joe Douglas needs to fleece someone. I need to feel good about something this season.Que the Winnipeg Jets.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:01:01 AM
Que the Winnipeg Jets.
lol no
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 01:33:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 01:37:41 PM
Mosley out 5-6 weeks. Dudes essentially out for the yearNo idea what the point of bringing him back at week 14 would be when we have 2 or 3 wins.
Post by: Pope on October 28, 2019, 01:41:49 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 01:45:10 PM
No idea what the point of bringing him back at week 14 would be when we have 2 or 3 wins.
I mean you're going to have a head coach desperately trying to save his job.
If you could throw one of your best players out there for 2-3 weeks hoping to save your job, I can see that happening
Post by: insanity on October 28, 2019, 02:53:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2019, 04:27:34 PM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/7tGXaFbNyMsXby3UR2GHSSKFFiJSxYG3JLZ3Fcy-_os.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d3763302aec5e1566734652c1304610ecc0acd01)Lol other than the historic defense nonsense that was funny.
(Also, I still am glad we didnt hire McCarthy)
Post by: mj2sexay on October 29, 2019, 09:57:59 AM
Too bad Trent Williams turns 32 before next year because he's exactly the type of player they need to look to try and acquire. Just not in a position to give up meaningful draft capital for a guy on the other side of 30.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
How anyone could still be pounding the table for McCarthy given the resurgence of the Packers is beyond me.
Too bad Trent Williams turns 32 before next year because he's exactly the type of player they need to look to try and acquire. Just not in a position to give up meaningful draft capital for a guy on the other side of 30.
Not to mention a dude essentially under contract for one year 15 million
Plus considering his reasons for demanding a trade the Jets are probably the worst imaginable destination in the league for him
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2019, 03:19:09 PM
@RichCimini
The #Jets have placed CB Trumaine Johnson and WR Josh Bellamy on IR. And so ends the Johnson era. They probably will cut him after the season.
4:05 PM · Nov 5, 2019
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@RichCimini
Trumaine Johnson's tab: $34 million for 17 games. #Jets
4:14 PM · Nov 5, 2019
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2019, 03:25:00 PM
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Days after claiming WR Josh Gordon off waivers, the #Seahawks have waived WR Gary Jennings, a 4th-round draft pick in April.
Worth a look. Do we still have Deontay Burnett?
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 05, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
Post by: insanity on November 05, 2019, 05:03:06 PM
It makes zero sense for us to have both Ty Montgomery and Bilal Powell on the roster if we're a rebuilding team. Ty seems like a great guy and Bilal is one of my favorite Jets in the last decade, but groom Josh Adams as the RB3 and long-term backup, get rid of one of the veterans, and let's try to find some young players that can be contributors next season.I will never understand why ty montgomery isnt used more.
If Gase was the genius he claims to be Ty and Leveon would be on the field together creating mismatches outside and and in the slot for teams.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 06, 2019, 01:32:10 AM
I will never understand why ty montgomery isnt used more.
If Gase was the genius he claims to be Ty and Leveon would be on the field together creating mismatches outside and and in the slot for teams.
Gaids a genius.......lmao
Post by: reuben on November 06, 2019, 08:03:51 AM
Post by: insanity on November 06, 2019, 08:52:00 AM
Ty Montgomery is not good.That's a broad statement with nothing to back it up
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2019, 08:56:10 AM
Ty Montgomery is not good.
Nobody is good in this offensive scheme.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 06, 2019, 09:57:09 AM
Elijah McGuire wasn’t that good, but I’d rather have him than Ty Montgomery, Bilal Powell, Trenton Cannon at this point
Does it really matter which guy is sitting on the bench while Sam's throwing it 45 times a game?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2019, 11:26:44 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 06, 2019, 11:40:16 AM
Le'Veon Bell can't manage 4 YPC/game behind this line. I think it's a bit harsh to knock Montgomery or Powell.
I don't think it has to do anything with knocking them
They have less than 20 runs and 6 receptions combined on the season. The dudes are virtually never seeing the field.
I get it when you're paying a back obscene amounts of cash you want him to be an everydown player. But you have other very competent players riding the bench
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2019, 12:56:53 PM
I don't think it has to do anything with knocking them
They have less than 20 runs and 6 receptions combined on the season. The dudes are virtually never seeing the field.
I get it when you're paying a back obscene amounts of cash you want him to be an everydown player. But you have other very competent players riding the bench
They are certainly underutilized. And I'm not arguing to keep them. I'm just saying, it's a bit unfair to say they aren't good, or other players would be better in their place. One of the best yards-per-game players of all time stinks in this offense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 06, 2019, 04:48:54 PM
That's freaking insane
Post by: insanity on November 07, 2019, 01:14:59 PM
On a side note, the Jets had 26 players on their injury report against the Dolphins.Absolutely nuts
That's freaking insane
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2019, 03:03:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2019, 04:02:04 AM
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Jets LB C.J. Mosley (core) could be cleared for on-field drills next week.
Mosley recently had a PRP injection to speed up his recovery. He's missed the last eight games but is hoping to return this season. There should be more clarity on Mosley's status next week. If Mosley can't get cleared, he'll likely have surgery and be done for the year.
Post by: Pope on November 23, 2019, 09:12:37 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2019, 12:27:57 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 24, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Apparently the Jets are expected to try to extend Jordan Jenkins before the end of the season, paying him 10+ million a year
Thats a lot of money for a guy whose never had 7 sacks in a season
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2019, 03:19:50 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 24, 2019, 03:22:04 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2019, 03:25:37 PM
Not a shithead either.
An OLB group of Jenkins, Judon, Phillips, and Copeland is pretty solid. We'll also have an opportunity draft one this year as well.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2019, 07:11:59 PM
Very good, consistent, and reliable player.
Not a shithead either.
An OLB group of Jenkins, Judon, Phillips, and Copeland is pretty solid. We'll also have an opportunity draft one this year as well.
What kind of contract you on board with giving him?
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2019, 07:21:16 PM
What kind of contract you on board with giving him?3 shillings and a ha’penny
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2019, 07:45:40 PM
What kind of contract you on board with giving him?
Jenkins?
I’d give him around $40M or so. About $20M less than the Packers paid Za’Darius Smith this offseason.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 25, 2019, 08:27:25 AM
The dude is solid and works; this is the type of player the franchise would typically let walk without a second thought and wonder why production dipped in the next season.
Post by: insanity on December 02, 2019, 09:35:47 PM
It feels like 3 years ago we were arguing about whether or not we should draft him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 02, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2019, 11:25:50 PM
Decastro has been in for 7. Remember those debates?
Instead our glorious franchise took freaking coples.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 03, 2019, 12:05:55 AM
Instead our glorious franchise took freaking coples.
But hey, at least Iggy got that mediocre threesome joke in.
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2019, 12:14:36 PM
Post by: insanity on December 05, 2019, 12:27:07 PM
TIL that Joe Douglas is the guy who first spotted Joe Flacco.All joking aside is that a good thing or bad thing?
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2019, 12:29:03 PM
All joking aside is that a good thing or bad thing?I would think that identifying a D-II player with the talent and temperament to lead a Super Bowl winning team is probably a good thing.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 05, 2019, 06:57:49 PM
I would think that identifying a D-II player with the talent and temperament to lead a Super Bowl winning team is probably a good thing.
I still think that trade down by Baltimore with the Jaguars was absolutely marvelous. They traded down, avoiding Derrick Harvey and the rest of that shitty draft class, for several picks and then still landed a guy who won them a ring in Flacco. I was so pissed when they made that trade down, I would have killed for that same offer. Instead we just stood pat and drafted Gholston and then doubled down by trading up for Dustin Keller.
Hell wasnt that the year we also took a flyer on Erik Ainge in the 5th?
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2019, 08:04:07 PM
I still think that trade down by Baltimore with the Jaguars was absolutely marvelous. They traded down, avoiding Derrick Harvey and the rest of that shitty draft class, for several picks and then still landed a guy who won them a ring in Flacco. I was so pissed when they made that trade down, I would have killed for that same offer. Instead we just stood pat and drafted Gholston and then doubled down by trading up for Dustin Keller.
Hell wasnt that the year we also took a flyer on Erik Ainge in the 5th?
So I learned about the Douglas/Flacco thing from reading a book called Quarterback: Inside The Most Important Position In Professional Sports by John Feinstein, which so far is pretty good. Apparently they really wanted Matt Ryan but because they beat the Steelers on the last day they finished 5-11 and Atlanta moved ahead of them in the draft order; they didn't feel they could take Flacco with #8 because they were still scarred by the Kyle Boller pick, so they traded with Jacksonville to go back to #26. Then they panicked that someone would take Flacco ahead of them so they traded back up to #18 with Houston.
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 08:49:18 AM
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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11h
Here’s something for Jets fans to dream about when trying to forget this game:
Odell Beckham is "not afraid" of a return to New York. Could the Jets go after the star wideout if the Browns make him available?
Hmmmm ...
Thanks...I'll pass.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 13, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
Thanks...I'll pass.
Nope.
Keep that cancer away from Sam, thanks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
Thanks...I'll pass.
Yeah, I'd rather re-sign Robbie, keep Crowder and Bell, continue seeing what V. Smith has, get Herndon and Griffin back, and maybe draft a WR--especially if they find a way to really upgrade the OL.
Sam's going to make a bunch of WRs rich over his career. He doesn't need a headcase to deal with.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
Yeah, I'd rather re-sign Robbie, keep Crowder and Bell, continue seeing what V. Smith has, get Herndon and Griffin back, and maybe draft a WR--especially if they find a way to really upgrade the OL.
Sam's going to make a bunch of WRs rich over his career. He doesn't need a headcase to deal with.
He's already dealing with a headcase for a HC....no need to add to the pile.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 09:40:03 AM
OBJ is going to be in his 3rd team, freak him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 02:27:45 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 02:35:51 PM
Shady side: I didn't want Plax, either.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 02:45:04 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
Beckham's second team in two years is giving up on him, despite his talent. Makes total sense to bring him in. He can lead the second ring of the circus.That's exactly the time you bring a player like that in... We know Beckham is talented. If you can buy relatively low, that's when you make the move. We badly need a guy like that in out passing game.
Obviously OL is the primary need but we still need a WR. I'm not around Beckham so maybe he is a cancer - he's definitely a diva - but he would walk in as the most explosive receiver we have had in my lifetime.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2019, 02:56:38 PM
He would make Sam's job so much easier. Who cares if he's a dick?
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 02:56:42 PM
That's exactly the time you bring a player like that in... We know Beckham is talented. If you can buy relatively low, that's when you make the move. We badly need a guy like that in out passing game.
Obviously OL is the primary need but we still need a WR. I'm not around Beckham so maybe he is a cancer - he's definitely a diva - but he would walk in as the most explosive receiver we have had in my lifetime.
Again, two teams in two years are giving up on him despite his talent. And we're not exactly talking about the Patriots here.
We need talented players. We do not need headcases.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 03:03:07 PM
Again, two teams in two years are giving up on him despite his talent. And we're not exactly talking about the Patriots here.
We need talented players. We do not need headcases.
I don't think we can set much store by the Browns given what a dysfunctional mess they are under Kitchens and with that tosser of a QB.
Beckham's a diva, but diva wideouts are hardly a new thing. He's not a headcase like an Antonio Brown - give him the ball a lot and he'll be your best teammate. The idea of Darnold having Beckham, Anderson, Crowder, Bell and Herndon/Griffin as receiving options makes me slightly moist, and it also means that WR comes off the draft board as a need allowing us to focus more resources on OL and CB.
It's an unreserved yes from me.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:04:32 PM
Beckham would be the most talented offensive player this team has ever had.
He would make Sam's job so much easier. Who cares if he's a dick?
We've gone with this mentality before and it has hurt the team. Santonio hurt the team. Plax hurt the team. The Jets do not fare well with talented WRs with baggage. We have the benefit of history to look at here.
He's already going to be let go by a struggling team due to his poopchute behavior being a detriment. I don't see a reality where he winds up being much better for the Jets next season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:06:19 PM
I don't think we can set much store by the Browns given what a dysfunctional mess they are under Kitchens and with that tosser of a QB.
Beckham's a diva, but diva wideouts are hardly a new thing. He's not a headcase like an Antonio Brown - give him the ball a lot and he'll be your best teammate. The idea of Darnold having Beckham, Anderson, Crowder, Bell and Herndon/Griffin as receiving options makes me slightly moist, and it also means that WR comes off the draft board as a need allowing us to focus more resources on OL and CB.
It's an unreserved yes from me.
How exactly are we much better than the Browns right now? They have a better record and we are right there with them in coaching controversy. He'll be a problem first and a football player second. Hard pass.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 03:11:18 PM
How exactly are we much better than the Browns right now? They have a better record and we are right there with them in coaching controversy. He'll be a problem first and a football player second. Hard pass.
I'm assuming that we will be more functional next season; if we're not, it doesn't matter who you bring in. Badly run teams will continue to not get the best out of good players. I'm just saying that I'm not really going to judge Beckham based upon this season, because the Browns are bad and he's not getting the ball and so he's sulking. We've seen about a million receivers since the history of football began go through that; you reference Santonio, but when things were good with him they were really freaking good, and we didn't have someone with Sam's talent to throw him the ball.
Also, Beckham's in freaking Cleveland. That's not really where Mr Limelight belongs, he's a New York or LA kind of a guy. Just being here would make him happier. Then you have to give him the ball a lot, but I'm OK with that because when you give OBJ the ball a lot, good things tend to happen.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 03:14:57 PM
I'm assuming that we will be more functional next season; if we're not, it doesn't matter who you bring in. Badly run teams will continue to not get the best out of good players. I'm just saying that I'm not really going to judge Beckham based upon this season, because the Browns are bad and he's not getting the ball and so he's sulking. We've seen about a million receivers since the history of football began go through that; you reference Santonio, but when things were good with him they were really freaking good, and we didn't have someone with Sam's talent to throw him the ball.I think you can judge Beckham from this season. This year has definitely caused his stock to drop, both on and off the field.
Also, Beckham's in freaking Cleveland. That's not really where Mr Limelight belongs, he's a New York or LA kind of a guy. Just being here would make him happier. Then you have to give him the ball a lot, but I'm OK with that because when you give OBJ the ball a lot, good things tend to happen.
I just still believe in his talent and adding a weapon like that would make everything on offense run so much more smoothly.
I agree with you Beckham would be happier in a big city. I also think he would be a little more likely to fall in line because if he flamed out of 3 teams in 3 years, it would start to affect his earning potential.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 13, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
If we could get that mental malcontent for a 2nd you jump on it.
But considering what the Browns paid for him and gave him a monster deal, I find it hard to imagine the asking price being reasonable.
Unless the Jets have a player to package for him (ie Adams for Beckham and a 1st, Maye and a 3rd for Beckham etc ) I wouldn't imagine such a deal happening.
I think better teams will make far more aggressive trade offers than we can
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2019, 03:16:41 PM
santonio was still young and was a previous super bowl winning MVP, but he still was nowhere near the level of talent that OBJ is. for what it's worth, that 2010 season was obviously a really good one, so it did work, for a short period of time
i'm very wary of the attitude issues with OBJ as he seems to be more interested in twerking on and off the field than being an actual WR, but if the price was right i'd take him for sam. if the browns have a high asking price for him, i'd pass and keep the draft picks for other positions/areas of need
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 03:17:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:25:39 PM
I'm assuming that we will be more functional next season; if we're not, it doesn't matter who you bring in. Badly run teams will continue to not get the best out of good players. I'm just saying that I'm not really going to judge Beckham based upon this season, because the Browns are bad and he's not getting the ball and so he's sulking. We've seen about a million receivers since the history of football began go through that; you reference Santonio, but when things were good with him they were really freaking good, and we didn't have someone with Sam's talent to throw him the ball.
Also, Beckham's in freaking Cleveland. That's not really where Mr Limelight belongs, he's a New York or LA kind of a guy. Just being here would make him happier. Then you have to give him the ball a lot, but I'm OK with that because when you give OBJ the ball a lot, good things tend to happen.
You have immediately disqualified this team with your first sentence.
I'll go one step further and say it will matter if we don't bring in ODB:
1) Darnold gets a reprieve for a year of the back to back bullshit wr pulled with Sanchez. Things like this absolutely matter to a locker room and you know it. You are better than this opinion.
2)I don't have to hear about the extra bullshit drama for the season.
I don't care about what city OBeckham is in. It's not like he was an upstanding citizen while he was with the Giants, hence his reason for being shipped out of city in the first place.
I love his talent but I do not want him on this team because I remember what happened the last few times we played this card; it ultimately led to some bullshit.
For all of the the times we have been shitting on Gase not being able to utilize the talent on the team properly, I'm honestly shocked anyone campaigning against Gase wouldn't see the warning signs here. Bring Beckham into this offense and we will see him being under utilized to the point of being disillusioned with the team.
We are not one Odell Beckham Jr. Away from a title, far from it. Get the solid foundations for a team in place and then we can take a shot at a talented but troubled player to fill out the roster. Until then, the possible gains are not worth the risks.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:26:32 PM
If they trade Adams for Beckham I'll camp out in Florham Park with a torch.
I'll happily become a Jaguars fan if that is the case.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 03:31:21 PM
If they trade Adams for Beckham I'll camp out in Florham Park with a torch.
It's not going to happen, dcm is just obsessed with the idea of trading Adams.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 03:32:50 PM
It's not going to happen, dcm is just obsessed with the idea of trading Adams.
It's one of the reasons I disappear when the season ends. That excrement gets real tiring once there's no games to discuss around all the speculation on contracts, trades and bitching. Not just dcm, it's the nature of the off season.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
You have immediately disqualified this team with your first sentence.
I'll go one step further and say it will matter if we don't bring in ODB:
1) Darnold gets a reprieve for a year of the back to back bullshit wr pulled with Sanchez. Things like this absolutely matter to a locker room and you know it. You are better than this opinion.
2)I don't have to hear about the extra bullshit drama for the season.
I don't care about what city OBeckham is in. It's not like he was an upstanding citizen while he was with the Giants, hence his reason for being shipped out of city in the first place.
I love his talent but I do not want him on this team because I remember what happened the last few times we played this card; it ultimately led to some bullshit.
For all of the the times we have been shitting on Gase not being able to utilize the talent on the team properly, I'm honestly shocked anyone campaigning against Gase wouldn't see the warning signs here. Bring Beckham into this offense and we will see him being under utilized to the point of being disillusioned with the team.
We are not one Odell Beckham Jr. Away from a title, far from it. Get the solid foundations for a team in place and then we can take a shot at a talented but troubled player to fill out the roster. Until then, the possible gains are not worth the risks.
I guess I just don't think he's that much of a problem. He's a gobshite and a diva, but he's not a problem off the field. He doesn't get arrested and he doesn't goof off, his biggest problem is that he lets his mouth run off and I think you can work around that if you can't stop it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:33:30 PM
As the team stands now, it is a pretty obvious no.
I'd like to think the overall roster will improve outside of adding Beckham but the last five years of the team tell me otherwise and Douglas has not yet proven he can improve the team. He hasn't had much opportunity to do so, but I'm not going to put blond faith in the new guy simply because he isn't the last guy.
If this roster can improve at the key positions that need it (OLine, CB, EDGE) then I think the team can afford to take a flier on a potential locker room hazard. Until then, I am skeptical that such move can pan out.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
I guess I just don't think he's that much of a problem. He's a gobshite and a diva, but he's not a problem off the field. He doesn't get arrested and he doesn't goof off, his biggest problem is that he lets his mouth run off and I think you can work around that if you can't stop it.
If he's available that means he would have been kicked off of two teams in two seasons. Combine that with the amount of bullshit that went on while he was on the Giants and I think we have a solid case for him being a complete POS.
Don't get me wrong, I love his game and I would be super stoked if he could come to the Jets and be a game breaker for Darnold. If that happened I would be the first to say that I was sorry for being so wrong. However, I do not see the evidence for that being the case.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 03:43:49 PM
Ultimatetly, it boils down to this question: will this team improve considerably just by adding Odell Beckham Jr.?
Absolutely. Completely agree.
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As the team stands now, it is a pretty obvious no.
wait wut
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:54:32 PM
wait wut
Is a better WR going to improve the pass protection? Is he going to give Darnold more time to allow plays to develop?
Our offense is going to have these problems regardless of the WR corps. Having ODB on the roster won't change thses problems significantly enough to make a difference in either the offense or his attitude.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 04:00:34 PM
Is a better WR going to improve the pass protection? Is he going to give Darnold more time to allow plays to develop?We can get Beckham AND improve the OL. Wmthey arent mutually exclusive. We all know OL is the primary need.
Our offense is going to have these problems regardless of the WR corps. Having ODB on the roster won't change thses problems significantly enough to make a difference in either the offense or his attitude.
Would having a #1 WR help Dsrnold out? Absolutely! I know there is risk but the reward is worth it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 04:18:32 PM
We can get Beckham AND improve the OL. Wmthey arent mutually exclusive. We all know OL is the primary need.
Would having a #1 WR help Dsrnold out? Absolutely! I know there is risk but the reward is worth it.
We COULD improve the OLine. We COULD HAVE improved the OLine at any point since losing Faneca. We haven't.
We also haven't talked about any actual prospects for the OLine so until we get some actual targets in FA then I don't feel like taking mindless hypotheticals into account here.
As I said before: if we significantly improve the team overall then I would want Beckham on it. However, I'm not giving Douglas the benefit of the doubt simply because he isn't McCagnan. We've had too many GMs freak it up since the 2006 draft.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 04:22:42 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 13, 2019, 04:26:16 PM
It's not going to happen, dcm is just obsessed with the idea of trading Adams.
I wasn't suggesting it's the plan
I'm suggesting the Jets wouldn't trade more than a 2nd for him, unless it ended up being a packaged deal.
And to be fair I suggested we'd give them Adams for Beckham and a 1st which the Browns would never do
Post by: dcm1602 on December 13, 2019, 04:28:52 PM
What do people think is actual fair value for Beckham? A second-rounder? Do you want to part with one of those in a year we desperately need OL and where the draft is supposedly deep at the WR position?
I think the Browns could easily get a late 1st for him
So unless we trade back in the 1st, it would take a packaged player deal for us to get him.
If we talked purely draft picks I think a 2nd this year and next year is the best the Jets could do without trading back or involving players
And I don't see us doing that
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 04:37:07 PM
We also haven't talked about any actual prospects for the OLine so until we get some actual targets in FA then I don't feel like taking mindless hypotheticals into account here.
In fairness we have, there has been fairly extensive conversation elsewhere about multiple players including Jack Conklin, Kyle Long and Brandon Scherff amongst others.
Also, assuming we're not giving up any significant draft capital for Beckham (something to which I would be opposed) then signing him would free up more draft resources to focus on the line, because we have to add to the WR corps one way or another this offseason.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 04:54:42 PM
In fairness we have, there has been fairly extensive conversation elsewhere about multiple players including Jack Conklin, Kyle Long and Brandon Scherff amongst others.
Also, assuming we're not giving up any significant draft capital for Beckham (something to which I would be opposed) then signing him would free up more draft resources to focus on the line, because we have to add to the WR corps one way or another this offseason.
This conversation started in a vacuum so that's all I had to go on.. there is also no guarantee that those players make it to the FA.
Like I said: if the rest of the team gets better then I won't have a problem with it. If Douglas does what Tannenbaum, Idzik and Duff did, then there isn't really any reason to think that Darnold won't be swarmed by the pass rush before he has a chance to finish his drop back.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
If they trade Adams for Beckham I'll camp out in Florham Park with a torch.Brace yourself.....we’re on the same page.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 05:18:08 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
I would trade a 2nd round pick for Beckham. I would not add anything else to that package.
I'd like to say that we should reserve that pick for a younger player in the draft but we still don't know how to use second round picks anyway so sure.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 13, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
Trading any resources that could be spent on improving the OL for a WR would be the classic "putting the cart in front of the horses".
At this point and time OBJ would be a luxury. Hard pass.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 05:41:43 PM
All this talk about bringing in OBJ is ludicrous to me. We've seen that the current scheme can get our current receiving corps open and Sam can deliver the ball when (or more like if) the protection holds.We still would have a 1st-round pick, two 3rd-round picks, and a lot of cap space.
Trading any resources that could be spent on improving the OL for a WR would be the classic "putting the cart in front of the horses".
At this point and time OBJ would be a luxury. Hard pass.
We have many needs. OL is the No. 1 need. But having a WR who can create quick separation and make big plays would make everything easier for Darnold and the entire offense, including the line.
I don't think we would make a move after Beckham, but I would be in favor of kicking the tires.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 10:14:19 PM
You have immediately disqualified this team with your first sentence.
I'll go one step further and say it will matter if we don't bring in ODB:
1) Darnold gets a reprieve for a year of the back to back bullshit wr pulled with Sanchez. Things like this absolutely matter to a locker room and you know it. You are better than this opinion.
2)I don't have to hear about the extra bullshit drama for the season.
I don't care about what city OBeckham is in. It's not like he was an upstanding citizen while he was with the Giants, hence his reason for being shipped out of city in the first place.
I love his talent but I do not want him on this team because I remember what happened the last few times we played this card; it ultimately led to some bullshit.
For all of the the times we have been shitting on Gase not being able to utilize the talent on the team properly, I'm honestly shocked anyone campaigning against Gase wouldn't see the warning signs here. Bring Beckham into this offense and we will see him being under utilized to the point of being disillusioned with the team.
We are not one Odell Beckham Jr. Away from a title, far from it. Get the solid foundations for a team in place and then we can take a shot at a talented but troubled player to fill out the roster. Until then, the possible gains are not worth the risks.
This is where I am at with regard to OBJ.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 13, 2019, 10:35:12 PM
We still would have a 1st-round pick, two 3rd-round picks, and a lot of cap space.
We have many needs. OL is the No. 1 need. But having a WR who can create quick separation and make big plays would make everything easier for Darnold and the entire offense, including the line.
I don't think we would make a move after Beckham, but I would be in favor of kicking the tires.
My current OL day dream is as follows
Sign
Brandon Scherff
Jack Conklin
Cut
Brian Winters
Draft Tristan Wirfs in round 1, trade our 2 and a 3 to jump up to about 26 (and get back a 5) and draft Tyler Badass Biadasz to complete the OL rebuild. Then use our 3 and 4 on a WR and a CB
s such in my eyes we don’t have a spare #2 to trade for OBJ.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 13, 2019, 11:07:48 PM
Brace yourself.....we’re on the same page.
As am I.
As Doc Holliday says in Tombstone, now we can be friends again!
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
As am I.
As Doc Holliday says in Tombstone, now we can be friends again!
Party in Winnipeg!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2019, 11:53:56 PM
The most relevant thing about Beckham is asking price
If we could get that mental malcontent for a 2nd you jump on it.
But considering what the Browns paid for him and gave him a monster deal, I find it hard to imagine the asking price being reasonable.
Unless the Jets have a player to package for him (ie Adams for Beckham and a 1st, Maye and a 3rd for Beckham etc ) I wouldn't imagine such a deal happening.
I think better teams will make far more aggressive trade offers than we can
Next time is a ban, test me
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2019, 04:34:16 AM
My current OL day dream is as followsFollowed by straight gords to finish off the draft. And all UDFAs will be gords.
Sign
Brandon Scherff
Jack Conklin
Cut
Brian Winters
Draft Tristan Wirfs in round 1, trade our 2 and a 3 to jump up to about 26 (and get back a 5) and draft Tyler Badass Biadasz to complete the OL rebuild. Then use our 3 and 4 on a WR and a CB
s such in my eyes we don’t have a spare #2 to trade for OBJ.
"With the ___th pick of the 2020 draft, the Jets select GORD!!!1!1"
Wash, rinse, repeat.
I want to have a training camp where elite gords are fighting over 8th string scout team mental reps.
Gords.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2019, 06:28:47 AM
His brother loves Joe Douglas.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
Beckham's second team in two years is giving up on him, despite his talent. Makes total sense to bring him in. He can lead the second ring of the circus.Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rely on the judgement of Gettleman and whomever is running the Browns these days.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rely on the judgement of Gettleman and whomever is running the Browns these days.Send Jamal on the recruiting train?
#LSU4Lyfe
Post by: Miamipuck on December 14, 2019, 01:49:06 PM
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rely on the judgement of Gettleman and whomever is running the Browns these days.
We should rely on Johnson or Gase.
Post by: Pope on December 14, 2019, 02:04:05 PM
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2019, 04:25:38 PM
He’s a great talent but I don’t want him here. He’s a cancerDoes cancer cancel out full blown AIDS? Worth a shot IMO. For science.
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 15, 2019, 04:39:48 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1206312867953348609?s=19
I blame Herm for ruing Curtis’ knee and preventing him fro finishing top 3 all time
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 19, 2019, 01:05:37 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
Jets signed RB Kenneth Dixon for...reasons.
Sunday...
Le'Veon Bell: 6 carries, 24 yards
Bilal Powell: 10 carries, 34 yards
Kenneth Dixon: 15 carries, 40 yards
Ty Montgomery: 3 carries, -2 yards
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 21, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 21, 2019, 01:16:25 PM
Just rewatched the San Diego 2009 playoff game for the first time since it happened. Anyone who says Rex doesn't deserve credit for those years just doesn't want to see the truth. That defense was awesome.
especially 2009. He had an awesome game plan against the Bengals and the Chargers. His best player was a CB who no one even bothered to throw to. He had no pass rush what so ever, but they manufactured things to become truly spectacular that year. I remember thinking we were going to have a dominant defense for a long time. Shame it deteriorated and we could never find Rex a pass rusher.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 21, 2019, 05:15:27 PM
Just rewatched the San Diego 2009 playoff game for the first time since it happened. Anyone who says Rex doesn't deserve credit for those years just doesn't want to see the truth. That defense was awesome.
Dude beat rivers Peyton Brady Rivers in the playoffs in their primes with Mark Sanchez as his QB.
The dude was a complete buffoon when it came to discipline and roster building. But he could coach the freak out of and motivate a team.
Had Jenkins stayed healthy this team could have had some real magic
People seem to forget we had those historic defenses with one of the best players on our team riding a freaking golfcart. Dude could've been a legit DPOTY candidate
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 08:40:20 PM
Just rewatched the San Diego 2009 playoff game for the first time since it happened. Anyone who says Rex doesn't deserve credit for those years just doesn't want to see the truth. That defense was awesome.
Rex Ryan coached a team with 2nd year Mark Sanchez at QB into back to back playoff wins against prime Peyton and prime Brady, on the road, in locations they were untouchable in.
He was a very flawed coach, but we’ve had many worse. He got to coach teams with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith at QB. It’s not shocking that he had some bad seasons.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2019, 08:51:09 PM
Rex Ryan coached a team with 2nd year Mark Sanchez at QB into back to back playoff wins against prime Peyton and prime Brady, on the road, in locations they were untouchable in.Hire Rex next year, we'll be on the upswing in talent again.
He was a very flawed coach, but we’ve had many worse. He got to coach teams with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith at QB. It’s not shocking that he had some bad seasons.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
Hire Rex next year, we'll be on the upswing in talent again.
I would trade Gase for Rex Ryan in a heartbeat. I feel insane saying that, but it’s true.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 21, 2019, 08:54:44 PM
Lol imagine Rex and Greggg somehow being on the same coaching staff
Good cop, bad cop.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 21, 2019, 08:59:39 PM
especially 2009. He had an awesome game plan against the Bengals and the Chargers. His best player was a CB who no one even bothered to throw to. He had no pass rush what so ever, but they manufactured things to become truly spectacular that year. I remember thinking we were going to have a dominant defense for a long time. Shame it deteriorated and we could never find Rex a pass rusher.
He also never had Revis after Week 3 of 2012, which the defense was geared around.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 09:00:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 12:16:26 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 22, 2019, 07:34:47 AM
Post by: delavan on December 22, 2019, 07:46:11 AM
Lol imagine Rex and Greggg somehow being on the same coaching staffBounty with a side of hot sauce, ouch.
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2019, 08:05:56 AM
How shitty are we as fans that we openly excuse and pine for coaches that have been run out of the leage adfer failing with multiple teams?Because we've had worse coaches since.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 22, 2019, 08:20:03 AM
Because we've had worse coaches since.
I’m with Badger. We are pining for them, because we have made things so much worse since
Seriously since Parcells...
Al Groh
Herman Edwards
Eric Mangini
Rex Ryan
Todd Bowles
Adam Gase
The majority of that list is freaking awful. Mangini was a prick that tried to hard to be Belichick, Rex was an awesome motivator and coached a great defense, but he couldn’t identify talent and pushed for guys that weren’t actually good and neglected his offense. Bowles just never got good at anything. I was pissed when we panicked and hired him instead of waiting for Quinn. Adam Gase is just as freaking bad as possible
Post by: MBGreen on December 22, 2019, 08:33:40 AM
How shitty are we as fans that we openly excuse and pine for coaches that have been run out of the leage adfer failing with multiple teams?This
Post by: dcm1602 on December 22, 2019, 12:10:11 PM
How shitty are we as fans that we openly excuse and pine for coaches that have been run out of the leage adfer failing with multiple teams?
I mean Harbaugh Gruden have been some of the hottest names in recent years
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
I mean Harbaugh Gruden have been some of the hottest names in recent years
Assuming you're talking about Jay and not Jon, I'd take Gruden in a New York minute. He did a spectacular job in Washington given he was working for the worst owner and front office in the league, and prior to that he did a fantastic job as OC in Cincinnati. He'd be the perfect guy to work with Sam.
Likewise assuming you're talking about Crazy Jim, I'd also love him at the Jets because he too is a QB whisperer. But I confess to a bit of a blind spot about him.
Post by: insanity on December 22, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
Assuming you're talking about Jay and not Jon, I'd take Gruden in a New York minute. He did a spectacular job in Washington given he was working for the worst owner and front office in the league, and prior to that he did a fantastic job as OC in Cincinnati. He'd be the perfect guy to work with Sam.I feel like this is groundhog day with gase.
Likewise assuming you're talking about Crazy Jim, I'd also love him at the Jets because he too is a QB whisperer. But I confess to a bit of a blind spot about him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 03:35:44 PM
I feel like this is groundhog day with gase.It is. JE just has Gase Derangement Syndrome.
Jay Gruden makes the playoffs one time in six seasons in Washington when his team was 9-7, and he did a "spectacular job." Gase makes the playoffs one time in three seasons in Miami, and people think he did an atrocious job.
In reality, both did mediocre jobs at their old jobs, except Gruden did it for longer.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 03:51:08 PM
#Jets 2020 schedule is locked
Home
- New England
- Buffalo
- Miami
- San Francisco
- Arizona
- Denver
- Oakland
- Cleveland
Away
- New England
- Buffalo
- Miami
- Seattle
- LA Rams
- LA Chargers
- Kansas City
- Indy
Post by: reuben on December 22, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1208867126423040007
#Jets 2020 schedule is locked
Home
- New England
- Buffalo
- Miami
- San Francisco
- Arizona
- Denver
- Oakland
- Cleveland
Away
- New England
- Buffalo
- Miami
- Seattle
- LA Rams
- LA Chargers
- Kansas City
- Indy
That away schedule is monstrous.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
It is. JE just has Gase Derangement Syndrome.
That's cute. The funny thing is that it's really not remotely true; I've made my arguments as to why he shouldn't have been hired or even interviewed in the first place, and done so since before he was, and continued to support my arguments on a consistent basis. Meanwhile, the main counter arguments appear to be "you can't fire a coach that early" and "maybe the job he did in Miami wasn't really all that bad after all". And I'm the one that's apparently deranged.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
That's monstrous.NFC West is a beast. AFC West really isn't that daunting outside of Kansas City. But after a year of not leaving the Eastern time zone, we have a Seattle trip and two Los Angeles trips.
Cleveland and Indy are the two crossover games.
I'll most likely be at the two Los Angeles games. Maybe I'll use this as an excuse to visit Seattle, too.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 04:13:08 PM
That's cute. The funny thing is that it's really not remotely true; I've made my arguments as to why he shouldn't have been hired or even interviewed in the first place, and done so since before he was, and continued to support my arguments on a consistent basis. Meanwhile, the main counter arguments appear to be "you can't fire a coach that early" and "maybe the job he did in Miami wasn't really all that bad after all". And I'm the one that's apparently deranged.You said Jay Gruden did a spectacular job by going 7-9 pretty much every year with a bad front office and ownership group.
Adam Gase is either going to go 7-9 or 6-10 with a bad front office and ownership group.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
You said Jay Gruden did a spectacular job by going 7-9 pretty much every year with a bad front office and ownership group.
Adam Gase is either going to go 7-9 or 6-10 with a bad front office and ownership group.
7-9 pretty much every year is actually twice in his five and a half years there, but again, muh narrative.
Let me get this right though, are you really saying that we should consider this season a success for Adam Gase in the face of bad ownership and management? And I'm the deranged one here?
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 22, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 04:54:16 PM
7-9 pretty much every year is actually twice in his five and a half years there, but again, muh narrative.Fine. He had a .418 win pct in Washington. So he averaged about 6.7 wins per season. Sorry for giving him more credit.
Let me get this right though, are you really saying that we should consider this season a success for Adam Gase in the face of bad ownership and management? And I'm the deranged one here?
I never said that this was a success for Adam Gase. He's probably a mediocre head coach, and he's done a mediocre job this year. Some good things, some bad things. Given the talent this team has actually played with this season, I think we've met expectations at either 6-10 or 7-9.
YOU said Jay Gruden did a "spectacular job" at Washington for averaging 6.7 wins per season with a franchise known for bad ownership and bad front office.
Now you say Adam Gase is a disastrous coach for getting 6-7 wins with a franchise known for bad ownership and a bad front office.
I'm just trying to figure out why it's "spectacular" for Gruden and a disaster for Gase. It seems like they have almost identical resumes, with Gase actually having a slightly better one.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2019, 05:02:59 PM
I'm just trying to figure out why it's "spectacular" for Gruden and a disaster for Gase. It seems like they have almost identical resumes, with Gase actually having a slightly better one.
If you're going to focus entirely on the stat sheet then you will continue to not figure it out. Context is everything.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2019, 05:25:11 PM
If you're going to focus entirely on the stat sheet then you will continue to not figure it out. Context is everything.I know you don't like Gase. There are reasons not to like Gase, and I get it.
But you can't call what Gruden did "spectacular" and then treat Gase like he's the worst coach in the NFL. And you know that as well, which is why you keep dodging.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2019, 05:33:28 PM
I know you don't like Gase. There are reasons not to like Gase, and I get it.
But you can't call what Gruden did "spectacular" and then treat Gase like he's the worst coach in the NFL. And you know that as well, which is why you keep dodging.
I'm not dodging anything. Gruden turned a mediocre backup into one of the better QBs in the NFL, who would have been the cornerstone of the franchise had Allen and Snyder not ensured that he instead became one of the most vaunted free agents in years. Gruden had winning records in consecutive seasons before McLoughan got fired and Allen immediately set about dismantling the roster.
The best we can hope for from Gase is that he doesn't ruin Sam.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2019, 05:49:44 PM
I'm not dodging anything. Gruden turned a mediocre backup into one of the better QBs in the NFL, who would have been the cornerstone of the franchise had Allen and Snyder not ensured that he instead became one of the most vaunted free agents in years. Gruden had winning records in consecutive seasons before McLoughan got fired and Allen immediately set about dismantling the roster.You better not be disparaging Scotty the Drunk....
The best we can hope for from Gase is that he doesn't ruin Sam.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2019, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 23, 2019, 08:23:50 AM
That away schedule is monstrous.
I kind of hope we have a 3 game away stretch of the 2 LA games and Seattle, and we just stay out there. With our luck it will work out something like this
Home Indy
Away Seattle
Home San Francisco
Away LA Chargers
Home (Thurs) New England
Away LA Rams
Home Arizona
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 23, 2019, 09:15:14 AM
#Jets 2020 schedule is locked
Home
- New England - W
- Buffalo - W
- Miami - W
- San Francisco - L
- Arizona - L
- Denver - W
- Oakland - W
- Cleveland -W
Away
- New England - L
- Buffalo - L
- Miami - W
- Seattle - L
- LA Rams - L
- LA Chargers - L
- Kansas City - L
- Indy - L
7-9, with splits against NE and Buffalo
Post by: mj2sexay on December 23, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
It's time to play the way too early Win Loss game!
#Jets 2020 schedule is locked
Home
- New England - W
- Buffalo - W
- Miami - W
- San Francisco - L
- Arizona - L
- Denver - W
- Oakland - W
- Cleveland -W
Away
- New England - L
- Buffalo - L
- Miami - W
- Seattle - L
- LA Rams - L
- LA Chargers - L
- Kansas City - L
- Indy - L
8-8, with splits against NE and Buffalo
That prognostication has us going 7-9.
This is way too early without an off-season, but I don't see how the Rams fix the biggest need of their team given the lack of high draft picks and money to spend. Something tells me Goff is going to be running for his life next year.
Reich's done an excellent job in Indy, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Colts took a big step back.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 23, 2019, 09:59:21 AM
That prognostication has us going 7-9.
This is way too early without an off-season, but I don't see how the Rams fix the biggest need of their team given the lack of high draft picks and money to spend. Something tells me Goff is going to be running for his life next year.
Reich's done an excellent job in Indy, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Colts took a big step back.
clearly cant count lol
Post by: mj2sexay on December 23, 2019, 10:06:15 AM
Gratuitous shot at Sheldon as to be expected, but basically said Revis didn't give a freak and was stealing money, and they didn't have a third receiver that could step up when it mattered (a shot at Quincy, or Kembrell Tompkins).
Not for nothing but someone should remind him (at least off the top of my head) that he had two really bad drops that game.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 23, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
Jeez. Anyone else see B-Marsh go scorched earth when explaining why the Jets lost to the Bills in 2015?Pretty easy to tell how that team collapsed. A lot of veterans making a lot of money who thought they were a lot better than they actually were. And Fitz's volatility caught up with him.
Gratuitous shot at Sheldon as to be expected, but basically said Revis didn't give a freak and was stealing money, and they didn't have a third receiver that could step up when it mattered (a shot at Quincy, or Kembrell Tompkins).
Not for nothing but someone should remind him (at least off the top of my head) that he had two really bad drops that game.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 23, 2019, 09:18:37 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
Well Kembrell Thompkins freaking sucks so he was right on that one.
He had a chance at that last ball down the sideline, would have won the game.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 23, 2019, 09:57:26 PM
He had a chance at that last ball down the sideline, would have won the game.
He’s had a lot of last chances that he never pulled in.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2019, 01:48:33 AM
He’s had a lot of last chances that he never pulled in.Sounds like my high school dating record.
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2019, 11:31:33 AM
Post by: insanity on December 27, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Nd2ougK.jpg)
It's amazing how well this aligns with team records. Bottom left all have worse records than us
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2019, 02:20:55 PM
Overall: 26th
Offense: 32nd
Defense: 11th
Specials: 2nd
Darnold: 32nd
Offensive Line: 26th
Via @fboutsiders footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/…”
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2019, 02:59:46 PM
“ #Jets DVOA Ratings
Overall: 26th
Offense: 32nd
Defense: 11th
Specials: 2nd
Darnold: 32nd
Offensive Line: 26th
Via @fboutsiders footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/…”
freaking Sam Darnold, ruining Coach Gase's perfectly designed schemes.
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2019, 03:00:58 PM
It's amazing how well this aligns with team records. Bottom left all have worse records than us
It's also weighted, meaning more emphasis is placed on recent games. We are the second worst offense in the league based on this, ahead only of a team that has been playing its third string quarterback, and with Sam under center.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2019, 07:18:36 AM
How's this impact our trade
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Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:33:05 AM
freaking Sam Darnold, ruining Coach Gase's perfectly designed schemes.
Don't forget to blame the entire OL too.
What will the narrative be for the Gase lovers, when we get an entire new OL and our offensive production is still complete excrement under this clown of a head coach?
"They need a year to gel! Just you wait till 2021"
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2019, 11:48:21 AM
Reports are giants are interested in franchise or transition tagging Leonard Williams.Good question. I don't know if a tag counts as an extension. Couldn't find an answer anywhere.
How's this impact our trade
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Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
Good question. I don't know if a tag counts as an extension. Couldn't find an answer anywhere.
I’m sure that it’s dependent on the language in the deal.
I’d hope we had it as “on the roster” as of the new league year. But who knows
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
Yeah I'm drinking, freak off.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 28, 2019, 11:24:16 PM
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2020, 11:01:51 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 01, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Revis24/status/1212518729311047680?s=19
Not sure what prompted Revis reliving his glory days, but he was unreal. I adamantly believe no CB has ever had a better season than he did in 2009. That is the stuff of legend
Post by: dcm1602 on January 02, 2020, 07:00:16 AM
Dude hit 29 and turned into Albert Haynesworth
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 07:22:51 AM
Too bad Revis couldn't play into his 30s like the all time greats
Dude hit 29 and turned into Albert Haynesworth
Good thing we traded him in his prime for picks. That always pays off.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 07:41:43 AM
Good thing we traded him in his prime for picks. That always pays off.
Actually, he was coming off a torn ACL and his contract was up. Trading him was good business at that time.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 09:30:21 AM
Actually, he was coming off a torn ACL and his contract was up. Trading him was good business at that time.
We had him locked in for the season at $6M. What part was good business? What part worked out to our benefit?
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
We had him locked in for the season at $6M. What part was good business? What part worked out to our benefit?
#SeafoodTriggered
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 09:42:15 AM
#SeafoodTriggered
So you have no answer because there is no answer. Still.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 02, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
Actually it would have paid off, if only we got him back after his year in Tampa, but we got Idzik’d
It would have been less disastrous, but I'm not sure the all time production we got from Milliner and Jalen whatever who was cut by Week 3 even equaled what we'd have gotten from Revis in that one year. Certainly not for Rex, who had built his defense around Revis shutting down half the field, and still managed to go 8-8 with a rookie Geno at QB. At the very least Revis wouldn't have won a ring with the Patriots.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 11:09:57 AM
So you have no answer because there is no answer. Still.
No, you've lost that argument so many times in the past. I didn't see any reason to rehash it as it would destroy yet another thread.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
No, you've lost that argument so many times in the past. I didn't see any reason to rehash it as it would destroy yet another thread.
So you can't answer, can't admit you were wrong even 7 years after the fact, so let's just spike the conversation. I can list bullet points why you were wrong and we can move on. Or just give me some examples of how it was "good business".
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 11:21:03 AM
So you can't answer, can't admit you were wrong even 7 years after the fact, so let's just spike the conversation. I can list bullet points why you were wrong and we can move on. Or just give me some examples of how it was "good business".
i've answered it so many times i've lost count. Stop smoking weed, and maybe you'll remember.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
i've answered it so many times i've lost count. Stop smoking weed, and maybe you'll remember.
You've never answered it. What good came of the trade? For the Jets, that is. If it's so easy you could just spit it right out. I'll wait, it's going on 7 years but I'll wait.
Post by: insanity on January 02, 2020, 12:20:10 PM
You've never answered it. What good came of the trade? For the Jets, that is. If it's so easy you could just spit it right out. I'll wait, it's going on 7 years but I'll wait.What good would have come from keeping him? We weren't going to win a superbowl, it opened up cap space, hindsight is 20/20 with draft returns.
We clearly got our best years out of him before we traded him
Also hindsight is 20/20
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 12:46:32 PM
What good would have come from keeping him? We weren't going to win a superbowl, it opened up cap space, hindsight is 20/20 with draft returns.
We clearly got our best years out of him before we traded him
Also hindsight is 20/20
Hindsight is 20/20, but I was against it at the time. When you trade a Hall of Famer you almost never get back equal value in return, in that case we ended up with nothing. Given we went 8-8 without him, who knows if we could have made the playoffs with him? The only winning season we've had since the trade was the year we signed him back.
It didn't open cap space because he was in for $6 million that year and then his contract was over. Tannenbaum set it up that way after his 2010 holdout, he wasn't even allowed to hold out that year. Also he went on to win a Super Bowl with our most hated rival.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
What good would have come from keeping him? We weren't going to win a superbowl, it opened up cap space, hindsight is 20/20 with draft returns.
We clearly got our best years out of him before we traded him
Also hindsight is 20/20
the premise was that Revis was going to walk away from the Jets anyway, and we would've ended up with nothing (no draft picks). Seafood knows this, but as usual he still can't accept it.
As we all know, Revis loves to hold out and command top dollar. It was the one move Idzik made that was solid. Acquiring draft capital for a player that every team knew was gonna leave the Jets anyway once his contract was up, which IIRC was the following season.
Post by: Laxin on January 02, 2020, 01:11:43 PM
Good thing we traded him in his prime for picks. That always pays off.
People still argue about the Revis trade here. I'm positive this will continue to be argued about throughout the offseason at depth.
That didn't take long.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 01:15:03 PM
the premise was that Revis was going to walk away from the Jets anyway, and we would've ended up with nothing (no draft picks). Seafood knows this, but as usual he still can't accept it.
As we all know, Revis loves to hold out and command top dollar. It was the one move Idzik made that was solid. Acquiring draft capital for a player that every team knew was gonna leave the Jets anyway.
As I told you at the time, the "draft capital" we got back was never going to help us as much as even one year of Revis would. Even I didn't predict how little we would actually get back and that he'd go on to win a Super Bowl for the Pats and everyone here would get fired. But I did know that "draft capital", the way we draft, wasn't worth trading our best player.
Which is why I mentioned this to dcm in the first place, as he seems to want us to make the same mistake again with Adams.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
That didn't take long.
Still waiting for anyone to tell me what good came from the deal. Unless you're Revis or the Pats.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 01:27:15 PM
As I told you at the time, the "draft capital" we got back was never going to help us as much as even one year of Revis would. Even I didn't predict how little we would actually get back and that he'd go on to win a Super Bowl for the Pats and everyone here would get fired. But I did know that "draft capital", the way we draft, wasn't worth trading our best player.
Which is why I mentioned this to dcm in the first place, as he seems to want us to make the same mistake again with Adams.
he was going to leave regardless. And we weren't winning a super bowl with him the following year anyway.
So you're still wrong.
And you'll still be wrong years from now when you bring this bullshit up again.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2020, 01:37:56 PM
Now let this be an end to it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 01:41:30 PM
he was going to leave regardless. And we weren't winning a super bowl with him the following year anyway.
So you're still wrong.
And you'll still be wrong years from now when you bring this bullshit up again.
Just telling me "you're wrong" with zero to back it up is not an argument.
He was going to the highest bidder because he's Revis, which could or could not have been us regardless if we traded him or not. I get the concept of acquiring "draft capital" for a player you might not re-sign, but in that case, as I said then, you'll never get back what you give up. And surprise, we didn't come close and it worked out even worse than anyone thought. It was a bad gamble going in.
Again, I bring it up here to a person who wants to trade Adams--not even what Revis was at the time--for "draft capital". Good luck if we do that. But I guess we're not winning the Super Bowl so make all the bad gambles you want, that's how you build a team. And next year we'll fire the coach again while Adams succeeds elsewhere.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 01:42:27 PM
We received Tampa's 2013 1st round pick (#13) in exchange for Revis, which we used to draft Sheldon Richardson. We then traded Richardson in 2017 to Seattle in exchange for Jermaine Kearse and their 2018 2nd round pick. That 2nd round pick we then traded to Indianapolis to move up from 6th to 3rd in 2018, which means that if we hadn't traded Revis to Tampa we wouldn't have Sam Darnold.
Now let this be an end to it.
Richardson was available with the pick we used on Milliner, which we wouldn't have had to do if we kept Revis.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Richardson was available with the pick we used on Milliner, which we wouldn't have had to do if we kept Revis.
But then we would probably have taken Warmack or Fluker, which means we wouldn't have been able to trade Richardson to Seattle, which means we wouldn't have had their 2018 2nd to send to Indy in order to get Sam.
You can play ifs and maybes all you like, but in the only timeline that actually matters i.e. the real one, the Revis trade tree actually does lead to Sam Darnold.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 01:50:37 PM
Just telling me "you're wrong" with zero to back it up is not an argument.
I can't force you to read my argument. You're either ignoring it on purpose, or you're illiterate.
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He was going to the highest bidder because he's Revis, which could or could not have been us regardless if we traded him or not. I get the concept of acquiring "draft capital" for a player you might not re-sign, but in that case, as I said then, you'll never get back what you give up. And surprise, we didn't come close and it worked out even worse than anyone thought. It was a bad gamble going in.
At the time, he wasn't coming back. He was coming off a season-ending injury, and you knew Schwartz & Feinsod were going to demand top dollar. So here were the choices (now read it a few times, because i don't want you coming back telling me there was no argument)
-let him play out the last year of his contract on a lame duck team and enter FA, while the Jets come away with nothing in the end. WE WERE NOT WINNING A SUPER BOWL.
-Or, you trade his derriere for a 1st round pick (which i'm still amazed Idzik managed to acquire) which none of us expected to get for him.
10 out of 10 times when you know a player is leaving, you try to get assets for him. Look at what we got for Leonard Williams. That was an amazing piece of business done by Joe Douglas.
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Again, I bring it up here to a person who wants to trade Adams--not even what Revis was at the time--for "draft capital". Good luck if we do that. But I guess we're not winning the Super Bowl so make all the bad gambles you want, that's how you build a team. And next year we'll fire the coach again while Adams succeeds elsewhere.
I never said we should trade Adams...
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2020, 02:01:15 PM
Now Idzik still screwed it up because he could have gotten more from Tampa Bay if he were more decisive, but just like with everything else, he couldn't make up his mind, so we only got one 1.
While it's an interesting note that the Revis trade and the Darnold trade are connected, the implication that we wouldn't have gotten Darnold without the Revis trade isn't really fair IMO.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
But then we would probably have taken Warmack or Fluker, which means we wouldn't have been able to trade Richardson to Seattle, which means we wouldn't have had their 2018 2nd to send to Indy in order to get Sam.
You can play ifs and maybes all you like, but in the only timeline that actually matters i.e. the real one, the Revis trade tree actually does lead to Sam Darnold.
That's a huge stretch any way you slice it. Assuming who we might not have taken in 2013 as opposed to who we actually did take, and assuming a random draft pick as part of a package in 2018 couldn't have been replaced with another random pick. You'd rather do 7 years of connect the dots limbo than admit the trade was a bad gamble going in and blew up in our face.
At the time, he wasn't coming back. He was coming off a season-ending injury, and you knew Schwartz & Feinsod were going to demand top dollar. So here were the choices (now read it a few times, because i don't want you coming back telling me there was no argument)
-let him play out the last year of his contract on a lame duck team and enter FA, while the Jets come away with nothing in the end. WE WERE NOT WINNING A SUPER BOWL.
We went 8-8 without him and with Geno at QB as a rookie. At the time of the trade we didn't even know we wouldn't have Sanchez, our supposed franchise QB in year 5. So you justify the trade by saying we wouldn't have won anything, yet blame Rex for "destroying the roster" and wanted him gone for not winning without his best player. Your own bullshit doesn't support your other own bullshit.
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10 out of 10 times when you know a player is leaving, you try to get assets for him. Look at what we got for Leonard Williams. That was an amazing piece of business done by Joe Douglas.
Here's where we differ, I'd say 9 of 10 times, Revis being the 10th. That's my entire point. If you don't see the difference between Leonard Williams and Revis then I can't help you.
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never said we should trade Adams...
We're in agreement here then. And Adams now isn't even what Revis was then.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2020, 02:06:47 PM
While it's an interesting note that the Revis trade and the Darnold trade are connected, the implication that we wouldn't have gotten Darnold without the Revis trade isn't really fair IMO.
Irrelevant. They are connected, the Revis trade did lead into the Darnold pick, all other timelines are conjecture.
That's a huge stretch any way you slice it. Assuming who we might not have taken in 2013 as opposed to who we actually did take, and assuming a random draft pick as part of a package in 2018 couldn't have been replaced with another random pick. You'd rather do 7 years of connect the dots limbo than admit the trade was a bad gamble going in and blew up in our face.
A huge stretch? It's about the only thing here that isn't ifs and maybes. Maybe Revis would have re-signed with us. Maybe we wouldn't have taken Milliner. Maybe we'd have signed Richardson anyway. Maybe my auntie would have grown bollocks and become my uncle. Maybe all sorts of things might have happened.
What actually did happen is that we parlayed the Revis trade into Sam Darnold. All else is irrelevant.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
We went 8-8 without him and with Geno at QB as a rookie. At the time of the trade we didn't even know we wouldn't have Sanchez, our supposed franchise QB in year 5. So you justify the trade by saying we wouldn't have won anything, yet blame Rex for "destroying the roster" and wanted him gone for not winning without his best player. Your own bullshit doesn't support your other own bullshit.
Rex did destroy the roster. And we weren't going to the playoffs. It's not bullshit.
Revis was one of my favorite players. But the NFL is a business....i don't understand why you can't grasp that.
Either way, this convo turned out exactly how i thought it would. So let's move on. Nobody is going to budge from their positions. Even though, you're still wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2020, 02:24:10 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 02:27:08 PM
Irrelevant. They are connected, the Revis trade did lead into the Darnold pick, all other timelines are conjecture.
A huge stretch? It's about the only thing here that isn't ifs and maybes. Maybe Revis would have re-signed with us. Maybe we wouldn't have taken Milliner. Maybe we'd have signed Richardson anyway. Maybe my auntie would have grown bollocks and become my uncle. Maybe all sorts of things might have happened.
What actually did happen is that we parlayed the Revis trade into Sam Darnold. All else is irrelevant.
If you truly believe we couldn't have gotten Darnold in 2018 without the Revis trade of 2013, that's purely living in denial. By 2018 Macc packaged what he had to make a deal, if he didn't have that particular #2 he would have packaged another asset. Both teams wanted and made the deal.
Rex did destroy the roster. And we weren't going to the playoffs. It's not bullshit.
Revis was one of my favorite players. But the NFL is a business....i don't understand why you can't grasp that.
Either way, this convo turned out exactly how i thought it would. So let's move on. Nobody is going to budge from their positions. Even though, you're still wrong.
The people so convinced they are right can't wait to spike the conversation and bristle whenever it comes up. So far the only positive you can cite 7 years after the trade is JE's butterfly theory that it led to Darnold. I'll give that points for creativity.
Sorry I called it correctly at the time, but keep telling me I'm wrong if it makes you feel better.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
If you truly believe we couldn't have gotten Darnold in 2018 without the Revis trade of 2013, that's purely living in denial.
That isn't what I said. I'm stating what DID happen. Any alternative that you come up with is conjecture and fantasy. Why do you hate facts and truth?
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
If you truly believe we couldn't have gotten Darnold in 2018 without the Revis trade of 2013, that's purely living in denial. By 2018 Macc packaged what he had to make a deal, if he didn't have that particular #2 he would have packaged another asset. Both teams wanted and made the deal.I didn’t cite anything JE said.
The people so convinced they are right can't wait to spike the conversation and bristle whenever it comes up. So far the only positive you can cite 7 years after the trade is JE's butterfly theory that it led to Darnold. I'll give that points for creativity.
Sorry I called it correctly at the time, but keep telling me I'm wrong if it makes you feel better.
You’re awful with getting your facts straight. Which is why this argument won’t die
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 02:59:59 PM
That isn't what I said. I'm stating what DID happen. Any alternative that you come up with is conjecture and fantasy. Why do you hate facts and truth?
I hate facts and truth because you tied three trades together over five years and two different regimes? Trades involving draft picks which every team has a full compliment of to work with each year?
Here's some facts and truth for you:
-the "draft capital" we got for Revis was nowhere near the value of Revis himself, which was easily predictable
-Revis went on to win a Super Bowl with the Pats
-the person who made the trade got fired less than two years later, after two years on the job
-the next GM signed an older Revis back for what we would have paid him anyway
-that was the only winning season we've had since
But keep telling me I was wrong for saying the trade wouldn't work out, because it has so clearly worked out. This is what I mean when I say you guys dig into a position and stay there regardless. This should be an easy one, especially with the benefit of hindsight.
Anyway, don't trade Adams for picks, thank you.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 02, 2020, 03:06:45 PM
Don't trade Jamal Adams. That should be the conversation. It should also be the end of said conversation.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2020, 03:20:57 PM
Why the hell are we still arguing about someone who isn't even a professional football player anymore?
Don't trade Jamal Adams. That should be the conversation. It should also be the end of said conversation.
Literally not one person wants to trade Jamal. This is some kind of weird strawman that Seafood has invented.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 03:23:51 PM
Literally not one person wants to trade Jamal. This is some kind of weird strawman that Seafood has invented.
I quoted dcm in the post that started this up, who is literally one person wanting to trade Jamal.
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2020, 03:33:15 PM
I quoted dcm in the post that started this up, who is literally one person wanting to trade Jamal.
dcm is not a person, he's some kind of weird bot that somehow managed to get past the firewall.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 03:45:11 PM
dcm is not a person, he's some kind of weird bot that somehow managed to get past the firewall.
That explains everything, thanks.
Carry on.
Post by: insanity on January 02, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
That explains everything, thanks.But I'm not done arguing about revis
Carry on.
Post by: reuben on January 02, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
dcm is not a person, he's some kind of weird bot that somehow managed to get past the firewall.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/YTXGNnbSxDmjnspx8G/giphy.gif)
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2020, 06:24:58 PM
Actually it would have paid off, if only we got him back after his year in Tampa, but we got Idzik’dThis is the correct answer and should have ended the debate.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 06:42:40 PM
But I'm not done arguing about revis
Welcome to Week 1 of nothing to talk about for eight months.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2020, 06:53:47 PM
This is the correct answer and should have ended the debate.
Yep.
I've forever maintained the mistake wasn't trading him, it was not getting off their derriere with a 16 mil per year offer the second he hit the street after his one season in Tampa.
Post by: Laxin on January 02, 2020, 07:22:35 PM
Post by: Pope on January 03, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 03, 2020, 02:30:25 PM
Demario Davis made first team all pro with the Saints
Saw that. Never understood why we didn't keep him.
Post by: Gorilla on January 03, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
Saw that. Never understood why we didn't keep him.
"Oh hi, we're the New York Jets franchise....have we ever met?"
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 03, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
"Oh hi, we're the New York Jets franchise....have we ever met?"
Haha true. Not even the first Jet LB to be a star for the Saints.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 03, 2020, 03:01:28 PM
Haha true. Not even the first Jet LB to be a star for the Saints.
Now I'm upset.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 03, 2020, 03:19:05 PM
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2020, 04:55:43 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 03, 2020, 05:06:07 PM
Literally not one person wants to trade Jamal. This is some kind of weird strawman that Seafood has invented.
It's about value with Jamal
I don't care about his tiff with Douglas and Gase, that's irrelevant. But we're a rebuilding tean and Darnold needs help.
I wouldn't just trade Adams for nothing. But if draft day comes around and there's a legit long term left/right tackle prospect available and we can get him plus two seconds for Jamal (assuming we used our first on whatever the freak else, a defensive end wideout etc) freak yeah I'd do it.
Hell if we could get a left tackle and then package up two 2nds to trade up to draft a right tackle I'd be absolutely ecstatic about trading Jamal. I don't care how good he is, tell me Jamal would make more of a difference to this franchise than getting Darnold two legit starting tackles for the next 10 years
Post by: Pope on January 03, 2020, 05:54:23 PM
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2020, 06:26:28 PM
Demario Davis made first team all pro with the SaintsIn fairness he was never that great for us, and hes still a liability in coverage
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 03, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
I’m not ready to trade Jamal especially since we’ve basically shown we can’t draft well at all
Fixed your post
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 03, 2020, 10:35:26 PM
It's about value with Jamal
I don't care about his tiff with Douglas and Gase, that's irrelevant. But we're a rebuilding tean and Darnold needs help.
I wouldn't just trade Adams for nothing. But if draft day comes around and there's a legit long term left/right tackle prospect available and we can get him plus two seconds for Jamal (assuming we used our first on whatever the freak else, a defensive end wideout etc) freak yeah I'd do it.
Hell if we could get a left tackle and then package up two 2nds to trade up to draft a right tackle I'd be absolutely ecstatic about trading Jamal. I don't care how good he is, tell me Jamal would make more of a difference to this franchise than getting Darnold two legit starting tackles for the next 10 years
You're thinking like it's phase one of a rebuild, tear it down, unload salary, collect picks. We did all that three years ago, tanked a season, drafted our QB, changed the coach and GM. We're on the way back up now, you don't unload good players now, you build on what you have. Unload the Trumaine Johnsons and that money, not Adams and not Bell.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 04, 2020, 07:47:09 AM
You're thinking like it's phase one of a rebuild, tear it down, unload salary, collect picks. We did all that three years ago, tanked a season, drafted our QB, changed the coach and GM. We're on the way back up now, you don't unload good players now, you build on what you have. Unload the Trumaine Johnsons and that money, not Adams and not Bell.
Bells contract guarantees he's gone in a year plus he's been terrible so he's irrelevant.
The question is if a legit tackle is on the board plus a haul available, so you trade Jamal?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 07:50:19 AM
Bells contract guarantees he's gone in a year plus he's been terrible so he's irrelevant.
The question is if a legit tackle is on the board plus a haul available, so you trade Jamal?
An offensive tackle prospect is not more valuable than a proven, first team All-Pro team captain.
Shut the freak up.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 07:53:15 AM
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2020, 08:32:33 AM
There's four potentially elite offensive tackles in this draft class.But if we trade Jamal, we could get 9 gords.
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
Post by: Coach K on January 04, 2020, 08:36:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2020, 09:08:16 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
There's four potentially elite offensive tackles in this draft class.
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
What’s your order as of right now?
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
There's four potentially elite offensive tackles in this draft class.
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
And there is a 99.9% chance the "haul" would not end up being close to what Adams gives us.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 03:03:47 PM
What’s your order as of right now?
I honestly can’t put them in order.
Thomas
Wirfs
Becton
Wills
Any of these guys can be the first tackle off the board right now
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2020, 03:30:34 PM
I honestly can’t put them in order.
Thomas
Wirfs
Becton
Wills
Any of these guys can be the first tackle off the board right now
Just for fun...
What would each need to do in order to separate themselves and become the top guy on the board?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
Just for fun...
What would each need to do in order to separate themselves and become the top guy on the board?
Measurables will be important, especially for Jedrick Wills (who may project more as a guard).
For Mekhi Becton, he has to let keep his weight under control. To me, he's the best of the group and has the most potential. He is the most powerful lineman I've seen in a long, long time. Bryant McKinnie is a fair comparison.
Andrew Thomas is everyone's favorite right now, but he doesn't move very well in the run game. He's a beast and he gets movement IF he can get his hands on a guy.
Tristan Wirfs is the best athlete of them all but is he just a right tackle? The position is just as important in shotgun heavy schemes, but do NFL scouts and GMs still see the LT is more valuable?
Post by: insanity on January 04, 2020, 10:28:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 11:33:03 PM
How did Jawaan Taylor as a prospect, compare to these 4 taxkles?
They are all better than Taylor, but the only reason he slid like he did is because of medical concerns.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 14, 2020, 08:28:30 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12up.com/amp/posts/jets-twitter-posted-and-deleted-incredibly-weird-tiktok-video-01dyghrq0s7g
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2020, 09:27:06 PM
Post by: IATA on January 14, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2020, 10:17:14 PM
My franchise
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12up.com/amp/posts/jets-twitter-posted-and-deleted-incredibly-weird-tiktok-video-01dyghrq0s7g
How's her run blocking?
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2020, 10:20:27 PM
How's her run blocking?Don't know but she snaps the ball better than Spencer Long.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 08:07:49 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2020, 08:15:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 08:17:24 AM
do you guys think that ball came out of her vagina or her poopchute
yes
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2020, 08:24:33 AM
do you guys think that ball came out of her vagina or her poopchuteWho's to say it's even a ball?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 17, 2020, 07:46:54 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2020, 12:16:40 AM
Post by: Jumbo on January 20, 2020, 12:22:22 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 20, 2020, 05:45:42 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/rsherman_25/status/1219118461068013568
Did that first comment really say Sherman was a HOF lock while Revis is trasH?
If anything I’d say the roles are flipped, Revis is the lock. But whatever. Sherman has always been an poopchute while Revis was always a greedy freak
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2020, 07:35:40 AM
Did that first comment really say Sherman was a HOF lock while Revis is trasH?
If anything I’d say the roles are flipped, Revis is the lock. But whatever. Sherman has always been an poopchute while Revis was always a greedy freak
I mean they're both a lock
Sherman had a far more productive career overall
Revis jsut had a handful of the greatest seasons of all time at the position.
There's no question that Revis flat out quit and gave up once he got paid and had no problem freaking the Jets over, twice
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 20, 2020, 10:50:51 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
Revis isn't necessarily wrong but I don't know why he's calling out Sherman for the defense. Sherman is a player, not the DC, I'd assume he goes where he's told.
Revis should have kept his mouth shut, but Sherman is always ranting about how he’s the greatest in the world and disrespected by everyone. Revis is right that Sherman doesn’t roam the field to cover the other teams top weapon, gets safety help, and plays a decent amount of zone. There’s a ton of other good corners out there that just do their job and keep their head down.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 20, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
Sherman's aged far more gracefully and had WAY better of a "second act" in his career so to speak, and its not even close. I don't think I've ever seen someone as legendary hit the wall that young or fast as Darelle did.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 20, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
I don't think I've ever seen someone as legendary hit the wall that young or fast as Darelle did.
In fairness, the peak he was at was a small and fickle place. Younger faster guys every year, it's hard to ever hit that level let alone maintain it.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 20, 2020, 12:17:48 PM
In all seriousness, freak both of them
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 20, 2020, 03:10:38 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 20, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
Revis must be bored.
He should do a few sit-ups, could probably beat out any of our CBs.
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2020, 03:44:11 PM
Did that first comment really say Sherman was a HOF lock while Revis is trasH?And another that said that Revis had been to 0 Super Bowls. I get why some of us might choose to forget it, but still.
If anything I’d say the roles are flipped, Revis is the lock. But whatever. Sherman has always been an poopchute while Revis was always a greedy freak
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2020, 09:51:25 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 21, 2020, 10:14:43 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 21, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Revis makin' friends with Cromartie today
#KeepRex
Post by: mj2sexay on January 21, 2020, 11:57:39 AM
Is Revis still banging Geiger?
I totally forgot about that guy. What a weirdo.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 21, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
I totally forgot about that guy. What a weirdo.
oh yeah
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2020, 06:34:42 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 21, 2020, 06:49:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2020, 07:24:34 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2020, 10:43:43 AM
Quote
John Schmitt, C "A miracle." That's how Schmitt described getting his ring back after four decades. Through an implausible series of events, he was reunited with his ring after he lost it while surfing in Hawaii 40 years ago. A lifeguard found it while snorkeling, then stashed it in his closet. When the lifeguard died in 2011, his great-niece discovered the hidden treasure while rummaging through his belongings. Once family members identified it as a Super Bowl ring, they contacted the NFL, which directed them to the Jets. Schmitt would befriend the family that found his ring and their bond remains strong. "We've become a big family," says Schmitt, who has vacationed with the family in Hawaii.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 27, 2020, 08:29:31 AM
Obviously he's going to require an elite lb contract, but what kind of draft compensation?
I can't envision a scenario it makes sense for the Jets, but our pass rush has always been excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2020, 08:31:39 AM
Apparently Matt Judon is a tag and trade candidateOur GM is a former Raven. We'll see.
Obviously he's going to require an elite lb contract, but what kind of draft compensation?
I can't envision a scenario it makes sense for the Jets, but our pass rush has always been excrement
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2020, 08:45:58 AM
I’d trade a 2 for him without blinking an eye
I'd offer one of our 3s first...and negotiate our way up to our 2 if necessary.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2020, 09:01:24 AM
I hope we don't overpay Jenkins to stay.
i agree. He's sufficient depth though.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 27, 2020, 05:56:55 PM
I hope we don't overpay Jenkins to stay.
Agreed, Harvey Langi will be a FA in a few years and we don’t want to be priced out of that market because we blew all our money on a productive player that has a track record of success here
Post by: Libero_2 on January 27, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
I hope we don't overpay Jenkins to stay.
The question is what is appropriate pay for Jenkins? I’ll be very curious to see what he gets. He’s a solid player and put him across from a top rusher and his value would be ten fold better I would assume. But given his production is he a a $10 million per year guy? I have no idea but it will be fascinating to see what he gets.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2020, 07:08:13 PM
Agreed, Harvey Langi will be a FA in a few years and we don’t want to be priced out of that market because we blew all our money on a productive player that has a track record of success hereI realize he's had improving sack numbers and played pretty well. I think his pass rushing ability is overrated. Complete gut feeling. I feel like he'd be a guy to get a pretty good contract and put up 5 sacks next year. I could well be wrong. I'd be happy to have him back, but not on expensive terms.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2020, 07:16:36 PM
If we get a pass rushing threat like Matt Judon or Yannick Ngakoue then Jenkins becomes expendable because we could fill that role with an inexpensive veteran or a rotation of JAGs.
Post by: insanity on January 28, 2020, 03:14:41 PM
Jordan Jenkins is a smart player that is very good against the run. He's not a very good pass rusher, but he's a solid starter on the edge. Similar to Calvin Pace.If our depth wasnt such excrement I'd disagree, but we need a solid starter across from him, especially since we probably wont draft an edge rusher early in this draft
If we get a pass rushing threat like Matt Judon or Yannick Ngakoue then Jenkins becomes expendable because we could fill that role with an inexpensive veteran or a rotation of JAGs.
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2020, 02:52:50 PM
https://twitter.com/dalekeefeweei/status/1222561414906249216?s=21
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 29, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
I put this here because it exists, but it is not real. It can't be.
https://twitter.com/dalekeefeweei/status/1222561414906249216?s=21
We're not unretiring #12, he can have his college #10.
Post by: IATA on January 29, 2020, 03:01:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 29, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
I'm not sure why anyone would be opposed to Brady joining the Jets. I despise the guy but...
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
If we are going that far, we should hire Rex back for the one game against the Pats with Bardy.
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2020, 04:47:54 PM
I'm not sure why anyone would be opposed to Brady joining the Jets. I despise the guy but...
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
Because I freaking hate Brady. I would not be able to cheer for that queynte in a Jets jersey. He would do nothing for us and it would be excrement.
Also, he hates us as much as we hate him so it's not going to happen.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 29, 2020, 04:48:57 PM
I'm not sure why anyone would be opposed to Brady joining the Jets. I despise the guy but...
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
Would be fun. I hate him and all but I doubt he wants to be a backup.
we should hire Rex back
Best post ever.
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2020, 06:16:52 PM
You son of a bitch, I’m in.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2020, 09:16:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 03, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
Is Revis a first ballot HOFer? The dudes obviously had two of the best seasons ever as a corner (likely the best ever) But he's also had a short career with several years where he had completely given up (plus his year on IR and year on Tampa)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 03, 2020, 05:21:37 PM
Just because Revis has popped his head up lately with Sherman
Is Revis a first ballot HOFer? The dudes obviously had two of the best seasons ever as a corner (likely the best ever) But he's also had a short career with several years where he had completely given up (plus his year on IR and year on Tampa)
Take a look at it by era. What CBs during the time that he played were demonstrably better than Revis?
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 04, 2020, 09:59:55 AM
Revis is a HoFer and I'd make the argument he should be a first-ballot. You can make arguments that other guys had better overall careers, but Revis was the unquestioned best at his position for a while. That's the standard, as SFD alluded to--best of your era.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
Revis had an all-time great season to his credit. He played 11 seasons.
Revis is a HoFer and I'd make the argument he should be a first-ballot. You can make arguments that other guys had better overall careers, but Revis was the unquestioned best at his position for a while. That's the standard, as SFD alluded to--best of your era.
Oh there's no doubt that he had the one or two best seasons ever as a corner
But he played at that level for 2 years?
Then played at a high level for another 2-3 years
Then the other 5 or 6 years??
Compared to someone like Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Talib, Bailey, Woodson
Seems like these guys aged much more gracefully
Post by: dcm1602 on February 06, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
All cuts bear the full cap hit for this season.
So this could be a very unique offseason when it comes to cap management and trades.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 06, 2020, 07:17:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SNFonNBC/status/1225569758558523392?s=20Must be the Tostitos For Your Service and $9 beers.
Post by: reuben on February 06, 2020, 07:58:17 PM
https://twitter.com/SNFonNBC/status/1225569758558523392?s=20
I wish there was a reliable way to break attendance figures into home/away fans. I'm certain we were outnumbered by the 3rd at the last two games I attended.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2020, 10:00:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 06, 2020, 10:05:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2020, 10:21:18 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-dispute-rick-dennison-20200206-oaqku4bbgng47knjwvwpyhpiiq-story.html
Stop posting Manish articles
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2020, 10:21:52 PM
Stop posting Manish articlesNo
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2020, 04:25:21 AM
Post by: insanity on February 07, 2020, 07:05:10 AM
Seriously Manish is freaking mentally ill. Yet half this board can't get enoguh of that dickWell in their defense it's a pretty nice dick
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
Opens the door for the Giants to use the transition tag.
Which I assume would be adequate for us to get our maximum compensation
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 08, 2020, 12:48:31 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 10, 2020, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
Had no idea former Ravens and Browns exec Phil Savage was working for the Jets in a senior advisor role.
That can't be a good sign.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 11, 2020, 08:39:57 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 13, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
I suppose Brown could always get cut and this was more about security.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 13, 2020, 06:37:47 PM
We apparently just signed Daniel Brown to a 1-year extension so I guess that means our intention is to carry 4 tight ends next year.
I suppose Brown could always get cut and this was more about security.
He’s a solid special teamer and a decent receiver
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 13, 2020, 06:39:05 PM
He’s a solid special teamer and a decent receiver
Yeah, doesn't hurt is my feeling on it
Post by: reuben on February 13, 2020, 06:52:41 PM
We apparently just signed Daniel Brown to a 1-year extension so I guess that means our intention is to carry 4 tight ends next year.
I suppose Brown could always get cut and this was more about security.
I don't know that Wesco's a lock to make the team.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2020, 07:35:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
Post by: Ornstein on February 14, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
Darnold was on Sanchez's podcast.
He really does a good job addressing some of his shitty plays this season.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 20, 2020, 07:33:07 PM
Lions releasing Snacks Harrison
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1230659939036729344?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2020, 07:50:53 PM
Per SchefterSign him meow. He might retire.
Lions releasing Snacks Harrison
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1230659939036729344?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2020, 12:18:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 29, 2020, 05:43:17 PM
He doesn't know excrement about football or the Jets, honestly.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 29, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
Connor Hughes really freaking sucks now.
He doesn't know excrement about football or the Jets, honestly.
What did the dumbass say now?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 29, 2020, 07:34:29 PM
What did the dumbass say now?
Several things
The dumbest thing he's said lately is "Gase wants Wirfs so he can call some left tackle screens"
Are we going to do designed throw backs to Wirfs or does Hughes actually think the tackle is the only player responsible for blocking on a screen pass?
Either way, it's moronic.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 02, 2020, 11:29:21 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 02, 2020, 12:31:48 PM
: If the New York Giants use the franchise tag on defensive end Leonard Williams, it probably means they won't sign him any time soon -- and that would affect the Jets. Per the terms of last fall's trade, the Jets received a 2020 third-round pick and a conditional 2021 fifth-round choice that improves to the fourth round if he re-signs with the Giants before the start of the league year. If you're a Jets fan, root for a fast deal
My interpretation is don't expect a 4th round pick. If anything I'd say it's quite unlikely
Post by: insanity on March 02, 2020, 12:42:39 PM
On the Leonard Williams tradeHow does signing a franchise tag not count as resigning?
: If the New York Giants use the franchise tag on defensive end Leonard Williams, it probably means they won't sign him any time soon -- and that would affect the Jets. Per the terms of last fall's trade, the Jets received a 2020 third-round pick and a conditional 2021 fifth-round choice that improves to the fourth round if he re-signs with the Giants before the start of the league year. If you're a Jets fan, root for a fast deal
My interpretation is don't expect a 4th round pick. If anything I'd say it's quite unlikely
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 02, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 02, 2020, 02:11:27 PM
How does signing a franchise tag not count as resigning?
If I were to make a guess, I'd assume that it obly counts if he signed it before the start of the league year
And as a player wanting a new deal, I don't know why he would do that. Especially if it would benefit his old team and screw his new one
Regardless its bullshit. And with the rumors they could use the transition tag, it could be even worse
Post by: mj2sexay on March 02, 2020, 02:52:41 PM
would any team really franchise tag leonard fvcking williams?
The alternative would be Gettlemen admitting defeat. I just can't see that happening, especially given their cap room.
I think its almost a guarantee given the draft compensation they gave up that they'll throw good money after bad.
Post by: Pope on March 02, 2020, 11:31:52 PM
I’d like to think Gettleman saves face and offers him a deal.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 05:26:32 AM
Difference between a 4th and a 5th at worst if I understand correctly? Either way not a big deal.
I’d like to think Gettleman saves face and offers him a deal.
Gettlemen saves face if he tags him then eventually works out a day and gets away with better draft compensation
But the cost of the franchise tag might be significantly higher than the average per year that Williams is worth
The transition tag is a whole different story though
Post by: mj2sexay on March 04, 2020, 12:12:22 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 02:11:00 PM
Mo-Wilk arrested for DWI again.I bet we could sign him real cheap now.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 04, 2020, 02:20:16 PM
Mo-Wilk arrested for DWI again.
So glad we moved on from that waste
Post by: Libero_2 on March 04, 2020, 02:43:56 PM
So glad we moved on from that waste
I firmly believe he had HOF talent in his bones. He had bullshit work ethic and barely cared in the 2 years before he got paid, then after he got hurt and then got paid, he definitely mailed in the rest of his career.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 04, 2020, 07:45:40 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2020, 07:54:39 PM
I think he would have been great if Rex stayed. I also think he would have been the only thing that would have gone right if Rex stayed. Because Rex is a terrible coach and keeping him would have been a terrible mistake.
Were fortunate to have had much better coaches since he left
All our coaching problems have been solved by letting him go
Post by: Heismanberg on March 04, 2020, 09:04:41 PM
Were fortunate to have had much better coaches since he left
All our coaching problems have been solved by letting him go
It's a damn shame that you became a Jets fan because of Rex and then decided to stay.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 04, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
I think he would have been great if Rex stayed. I also think he would have been the only thing that would have gone right if Rex stayed. Because Rex is a terrible coach and keeping him would have been a terrible mistake.
Were fortunate to have had much better coaches since he left
All our coaching problems have been solved by letting him go
Time is a flat circle.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2020, 04:54:25 AM
It's a damn shame that you became a Jets fan because of Rex and then decided to stay.
To be fair I was always a jets fan
Rex just made me become a groupie
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 05, 2020, 11:09:30 AM
I was as big a Rex fan as there was, but he let the inmates run the asylum.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
I firmly believe that if Rex were here another year or two that Wilkerson would've gotten into this mess years ago.Settle down, Bob McNair.
I was as big a Rex fan as there was, but he let the inmates run the asylum.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 05, 2020, 03:33:13 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 05, 2020, 05:02:54 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 18, 2020, 02:06:21 PM
Free NFL GamePass during the lockdown.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 02:18:38 PM
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
https://twitter.com/gregarmstrong_/status/1241403539169083392?s=21
Dimes. That was Sanchez's best drive.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 21, 2020, 06:21:32 PM
Dimes. That was Sanchez's best drive.
I remember thinking after he won that game that we legitimately had a shot to win a ring. I thought that was the first signs of his greatness.
I still think if he got the ball one more time in that AFC title game he was gonna win the game
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 27, 2020, 08:06:34 AM
Manish with a PSA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 01, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 02:08:15 PM
GM Joe about to address the media*Douglas drops giant dong on table.
"Any questions, bitches?"
Post by: Libero_2 on April 01, 2020, 08:47:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AaronNagler/status/1240353182578028544
Free NFL GamePass during the lockdown.
I’m watching the 09 first game against the Pats. Man I had forgotten how much fun that defense was.
Kris Jenkins was a mani SL, Revis entering his Prime, Jim Leonhard and Bart Scott... so many really great players on that group and lots of fun to watch.
Not to mention I always loved watching Leon and Thomas Jones run. They were a pleasure to watch
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:39:54 PM
Jenkins only full year was 08 and Revis’ all time shutdown season was 09 but Revis was still really good in 08. 5 picks, 16 PD, pro bowl
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2020, 11:03:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 11:05:36 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2020, 11:09:15 PM
Wow, I remember watching that clip an infinite amount of times
I can't take my eyes off of it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 02, 2020, 03:50:59 PM
Watching a defense with prime Revis and semi-prime Kris Jenkins was a privilege
Jenkins only full year was 08 and Revis’ all time shutdown season was 09 but Revis was still really good in 08. 5 picks, 16 PD, pro bowl
If Jenkins stays healthy in 2010 we win the Super Bowl.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 05:04:34 PM
If Jenkins stays healthy in 2010 we win the Super Bowl.
He lasted a half that year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 02, 2020, 05:16:17 PM
He lasted a half that year.
Yeah I was at that game, MNF opener. So we went 11-5 and to the AFC Championship Game without him.
Post by: reuben on April 02, 2020, 07:11:56 PM
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ESPN 710 Seattle's John Clayton reports the Jets are considering making a run at free agent Jadeveon Clowney.
Clayton also acknowledges the Titans' interest and believes the Seahawks "still have a chance to get him back." Clowney has been the odd man out of this year's coronavirus-affected market. It's possible teams are leery of committing so much money to him without being able to conduct their own in-house physical. There has been chatter that Clowney could decide to wait several months to sign, and that might make sense in this most unusual of situations.
Props to us for not being the suckers in a bidding war. Mac would have signed this dude for 7 years, $100 mil guaranteed by now. If we do wind up with him, it will be on our terms.
I see you, JD.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 02, 2020, 07:57:26 PM
He lasted a half that year.You're right, but IS has a point. Jenkins was an absolute manchild. Most dominant DL we have had in years when he was healthy, and this comes from a team that has drafted approximately a million 1st-round DL.
That said, Sione Pouha was really good in his absence.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2020, 08:02:37 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 08:25:27 PM
You're right, but IS has a point. Jenkins was an absolute manchild. Most dominant DL we have had in years when he was healthy, and this comes from a team that has drafted approximately a million 1st-round DL.
That said, Sione Pouha was really good in his absence.
Pouha was a great anchor, Jenkins disrupted everything in addition. He could rush the passer and when he was on, was pretty much unblockable by even 2 players. Unfortunately, he just couldn't stay healthy, if he did he would be wearing a gold jacket.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 08:34:46 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 02, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
Pouha was a great anchor, Jenkins disrupted everything in addition. He could rush the passer and when he was on, was pretty much unblockable by even 2 players. Unfortunately, he just couldn't stay healthy, if he did he would be wearing a gold jacket.
(https://cdn.lowgif.com/full/48da8ce4219c0d27-kris-jenkins-in-a-golf-cart-find-make-share-gfycat-gifs.gif)
Both of these things are true
Post by: reuben on April 02, 2020, 09:10:04 PM
(https://cdn.lowgif.com/full/48da8ce4219c0d27-kris-jenkins-in-a-golf-cart-find-make-share-gfycat-gifs.gif)
When I read the word "manchild", this is the exact gif I was thinking of.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
Post by: insanity on April 02, 2020, 09:39:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 09:57:38 PM
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Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 10:02:15 PM
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20 posts up dipshit.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 10:08:53 PM
20 posts up dipshit.Dead link dipshit
Post by: Pope on April 02, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 11:18:51 PM
Dead link dipshit
works for me, you just suck.
Post by: reuben on April 02, 2020, 11:30:30 PM
I liked Kris Jenkins but he was also so undisciplined with his eating he had to go on a cookie diet
tell me more about this cookie diet
Post by: Pope on April 02, 2020, 11:40:08 PM
tell me more about this cookie dietI wanna say 2010 Jenkins was on one of the local radio shows and the Jets training staff put him on a 3 cookie a day diet since he had big problems with keeping his weight in check
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 01:08:42 AM
I wanna say 2010 Jenkins was on one of the local radio shows and the Jets training staff put him on a 3 cookie a day diet since he had big problems with keeping his weight in check
Pretty sure the cookie diet is an actual diet plan basically where you eat a bunch of cookies
Googled it just for wonders and that's what Jenkins is on. It's basically weight watchers except just as freaking stupid
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 01:40:11 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 03, 2020, 02:50:52 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 05:03:51 PM
Lol all the picks weve wasted on DL and hes the best one we've had
By far the best when he played.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 05:04:06 PM
Rename this the Kris Jenkins thread
Aren't you a mod.
Post by: klaximilian on April 03, 2020, 05:37:34 PM
tell me more about this cookie diet
It's a real thing, and it works.
A friend of mine went on an ice cream diet and lost 35 lbs in 12 weeks. He got featured in Men's Health. Hilarious.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 04, 2020, 08:32:48 PM
Rename this the Kris Jenkins thread
A lot worse players have their own thread here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2020, 03:02:41 AM
FTR I'm not buying it.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 05, 2020, 05:58:28 AM
I don't want to link it but Manish is saying the Jets told FA that they were strapped for cash.
FTR I'm not buying it.
Told them today? Or a month ago when FA was starting?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 05, 2020, 07:26:04 AM
I don't want to link it but Manish is saying the Jets told FA that they were strapped for cash.
FTR I'm not buying it.
Bullshit
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 05, 2020, 08:43:25 AM
Post by: insanity on April 09, 2020, 03:43:55 PM
(Preparing for the Gary V hate)
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 03:48:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JetsOpinion/status/1248267053557039105I'm sure he's not a bad guy, he's just insanely douchey. I'm naturally annoyed by self-promoters, but that's his gig, so I get it. Obviously it works for him. He's a Jets fan and he seems to try to help people, so he's alright I guess. Except that video of him at the draft after we drafted Nacho. freak him for that.
(Preparing for the Gary V hate)
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
I'm sure he's not a bad guy, he's just insanely douchey. I'm naturally annoyed by self-promoters, but that's his gig, so I get it. Obviously it works for him. He's a Jets fan and he seems to try to help people, so he's alright I guess. Except that video of him at the draft after we drafted Nacho. freak him for that.
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 04:35:58 PM
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him.Does he wear white pants in public?
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
Does he wear white pants in public?
Have you seen how that slob dresses? No chance he has that much style.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 04:44:43 PM
Have you seen how that slob dresses? No chance he has that much style.I've always thought of you as Classy Gary.
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
I've always thought of you as Classy Gary.
Wish I had his money.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 05:04:16 PM
Wish I had his money.Same here.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 05:16:19 PM
Did nobody here post the fake Kaepernick to the Jets story yet? It was trending on Twitter late this afternoon.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1113593160444174336/jz4b4yH4_400x400.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 05:18:15 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JetsOpinion/status/1248267053557039105
(Preparing for the Gary V hate)
I laughed at the linebacker comment. I was prepping for “NY Jets Linebacker Fantasy Sweepstakes”
-Have you dreamed about playing in the NFL?
-Do you live within driving distance?
-Are you OK with sharing a uniform?
Post by: klaximilian on April 09, 2020, 06:16:15 PM
I'm sure he's not a bad guy, he's just insanely douchey. I'm naturally annoyed by self-promoters, but that's his gig, so I get it. Obviously it works for him. He's a Jets fan and he seems to try to help people, so he's alright I guess. Except that video of him at the draft after we drafted Nacho. freak him for that.
He was right about "Nacho" though.
he was wrong about Sanchez
how so?
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
He was right about "Nacho" though.
how so?
They looked like complete douchebags in that video.
JE is a major Sanchez apologist, as he said in the Rex thread in the NFL section.
Post by: klaximilian on April 09, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
They looked like complete douchebags in that video.
JE is a major Sanchez apologist, as he said in the Rex thread in the NFL section.
Yes, it was not a good look.
But again, he was right. And I'd be willing to bet everyone on this board looks like a raging bag of douche when the Jets make a very, very questionable pick.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 06:49:19 PM
Yes, it was not a good look.We aren't on TV doing it.
But again, he was right. And I'd be willing to bet everyone on this board looks like a raging bag of douche when the Jets make a very, very questionable pick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 07:14:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1113593160444174336/jz4b4yH4_400x400.jpg)
I don't know what this means.
Post by: klaximilian on April 09, 2020, 07:19:35 PM
We aren't on TV doing it.
Lol. Ok, so I guess it's cool as long as no one can see you're acting like a douche over a draft pick.
Got it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 07:26:34 PM
Lol. Ok, so I guess it's cool as long as no one can see you're acting like a douche over a draft pick.Yes. I'm a private douche.
Got it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 07:27:32 PM
I don't know what this means.Go on twitter and look for Barry McCockiner.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 09, 2020, 07:33:28 PM
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him....was he wrong about Sanchez?
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 07:57:24 PM
Go on twitter and look for Barry McCockiner.
Funny name, looked him up, still don't get it.
That's ok. I don't care enough, just thought it was odd that it wasn't here.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 07:58:45 PM
...was he wrong about Sanchez?
Yes, at the time and for the first few years. Hindsight is 20/20, we're all experts years after the fact.
Post by: Ornstein on April 09, 2020, 08:26:09 PM
Post by: insanity on April 09, 2020, 08:58:29 PM
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him.
Yeah I never understand why people call him a douchebag. You may not like his personality but he generally comes from a good place and is a good dude. He likes to hear himself talk, but he's speaking from the heart.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I know atleast 3 people that work his company. 1 who worked with him. Basically every day and 1 who pretty much reported to him and they had nothing but positive things to say about him.
Post by: Jumbo on April 09, 2020, 09:15:55 PM
I don't know what this means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B0JEpjb_X8
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 09, 2020, 10:01:22 PM
Yeah I never understand why people call him a douchebag. You may not like his personality but he generally comes from a good place and is a good dude. He likes to hear himself talk, but he's speaking from the heart.Because the first instinct is to call everyone a douchebag, and figure out the rest later. That's basically how this board was founded.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I know atleast 3 people that work his company. 1 who worked with him. Basically every day and 1 who pretty much reported to him and they had nothing but positive things to say about him.
That said, he always seemed like a douchebag, but I don't know much about him other than he hocks wine and self-help stuff.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
Yeah I never understand why people call him a douchebag. You may not like his personality but he generally comes from a good place and is a good dude. He likes to hear himself talk, but he's speaking from the heart.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I know atleast 3 people that work his company. 1 who worked with him. Basically every day and 1 who pretty much reported to him and they had nothing but positive things to say about him.
I love it when people ask rhetorical questions an then answer them the next sentence.
Post by: insanity on April 10, 2020, 06:08:44 AM
I love it when people ask rhetorical questions an then answer them the next sentence.Nothing I said warrants a description of a douchebag
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 10, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
knowing how successful gary v is now, it's obvious that sort of thing was always going to be a part of his business plan, and good for him to become as big as he is now...but back then it came off very douchey, and they admitted as much.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 10, 2020, 10:21:56 AM
Post by: insanity on April 10, 2020, 11:09:25 AM
i think the reason why many of us felt him/his bro were douchebags, irrespective of whether they were right about the sanchez pick or not (which i do think they were wrong about, as the pick did play a part in us getting to two AFCCG's, and i don't know what would have happened if we drafted or had somebody else at the spot), is because they basically admitted afterwards that they only embellished that sort of reaction to be able to get on tv. came off as really tool-ish and were twerking really hard to get a few seconds of fame.
knowing how successful gary v is now, it's obvious that sort of thing was always going to be a part of his business plan, and good for him to become as big as he is now...but back then it came off very douchey, and they admitted as much.
Agreed, and I felt that way in the moment, too. I just think it is a bit ridiculous to still hold anger towards that 1 thing he did 11 years ago.
I think the fact that he was that in tune with Jets culture to realize if he overreacted he would get on TV, shows how much of a fan he really is/was. To that point, how many of you guys have actually gone to a draft?
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2020, 11:29:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 10, 2020, 11:44:02 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2020, 11:54:06 AM
Damn I would rather boot up the Rex or Revis trade arguments before getting into a nuanced conversation about what level of douche Gary V isPut him on the corona power rankings.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
Damn I would rather boot up the Rex or Revis trade arguments before getting into a nuanced conversation about what level of douche Gary V is
Shut up douchebag
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2020, 12:32:34 PM
Put him on the corona power rankings.
Why don't we put your douchebag derriere in a corona ranking.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
Why don't we put your douchebag derriere in a corona ranking.You are very gay.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 10, 2020, 12:48:35 PM
Shut up douchebag
At least we can all agree that I’m a douchebag and move on
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2020, 05:19:06 PM
You are very gay.
Tell me something I don't know
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 10, 2020, 11:29:46 PM
Damn I would rather boot up the Rex or Revis trade arguments...
Has it's own thread now and there's nothing else going on. Have at it.
Post by: Johnny English on April 11, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 12, 2020, 02:47:43 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29020239/how-jets-made-nfl-draft-history-2000-trades-chicken-wings
Good article. Would have been better off keeping Belichick and drafting Brady though. Just a hunch.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 12, 2020, 07:23:28 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 12, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
Well, we wanted to keep Belichick and Brady to the Pats was just sheer luck. Let’s not overthink things too much.
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.
Post by: klaximilian on April 12, 2020, 01:11:59 PM
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.
oh for f*cks sake...
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2020, 01:18:09 PM
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.Hot taek of the year
Post by: Miamipuck on April 12, 2020, 01:44:34 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 12, 2020, 01:52:51 PM
Post by: Gorilla on April 12, 2020, 02:53:17 PM
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.
Exactly, and so insightful!
Also, if I had simply invented Facebook I'd be super-duper rich and be all set!
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 12, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
Quote
https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/jets-mailbag-scenario-in-which-joe-douglas-could-trade-jamal-adams/
Unfounded Jamal Adams trade rumors from Costello.
But since we're bored let's discuss. Would you take Dallas' first (17) and second round (51) pick in this year's draft for Adams?
Post by: Johnny English on April 12, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
Unfounded Jamal Adams trade rumors from Costello.
But since we're bored let's discuss. Would you take Dallas' first (17) and second round (51) pick in this year's draft for Adams?
I'm not even taking the call. If they want to offer me their first round pick this year and the next two we might start a conversation but they're probably going to have to sweeten the deal some as well.
Jamal is not just a safety. He's the beating heart of this team, and his value goes way beyond his play.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 12, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
I'm not even taking the call. If they want to offer me their first round pick this year and the next two we might start a conversation but they're probably going to have to sweeten the deal some as well.
Jamal is not just a safety. He's the beating heart of this team, and his value goes way beyond his play.
i think i am in this boat. the theoretical 'value' of that sort of trade would probably be more than jamal's 'value' in a trade, but with the draft being a crapshoot there is no guarantee that the total contribution of all 3 of those players drafted combined would be better than what we have in jamal, who has by his 3rd year shown himself to be a bonafide top notch safety and arguably our best player on and off the field
Post by: Ornstein on April 12, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
This is a tough one. He's the heart and soul of the D, but has the maturity of a high school girl.
This is a little unfair. Adams has done everything right for this franchise. He's one of the best draft selections this team has ever made. They need to pay him, regardless of how annoying he can be on Twitter.
Post by: Ornstein on April 12, 2020, 07:43:01 PM
This is a little unfair. Adams has done everything right for this franchise. He's one of the best draft selections this team has ever made. They need to pay him, regardless of how annoying he can be on Twitter.
I love Jamal as much as the next guy but I wouldn't say he's done everything right for the franchise. That excrement fit he threw because teams were reaching out to trade for him was a really bad look. I'm really not at all convinced he wants to be a Jet at this point. He's not just being "annoying" on twitter. Anytime anyone tweets a rumor of Dallas trading for him he just has to post something stupid insinuating that'd he like for a trade. I realize he has to get paid at some point, but is it really all that smart breaking the bank on a guy who doesn't wanna be here? Anytime he's asked point blank he says he wants to be a Jet for life or whatever. I just don't buy it.
Post by: reuben on April 12, 2020, 07:52:59 PM
Also I'm pretty sure he's had enough of losing and really doesn't wanna lose anymore.
fyp
Ray Lewis spent more than a few off-seasons bitching about management refusing to add talent to the d-line. Tom Brady's sideline blow-ups are well-documented. Peyton butted heads with his linemen on camera and his kicker in interviews.
I haven't heard excrement about Jamal Adams getting arrested or holding out or taking PED's or freaking changing his last name to a branded nickname. If you want a winner on your team, don't expect him to sit quietly and enjoy losing.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 12, 2020, 08:15:35 PM
This is a little unfair. Adams has done everything right for this franchise. He's one of the best draft selections this team has ever made. They need to pay him, regardless of how annoying he can be on Twitter.
For some reason a lot of Jet fans have always had an aversion to paying and keeping our best players. It goes way back and I've never understood it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 12, 2020, 08:17:21 PM
fyp
Ray Lewis spent more than a few off-seasons bitching about management refusing to add talent to the d-line. Tom Brady's sideline blow-ups are well-documented. Peyton butted heads with his linemen on camera and his kicker in interviews.
I haven't heard excrement about Jamal Adams getting arrested or holding out or taking PED's or freaking changing his last name to a branded nickname. If you want a winner on your team, don't expect him to sit quietly and enjoy losing.
Thank you. Keyshawn was the same way, came from USC and wanted no part of losing. When we turned it around he was a big part of it.
Post by: Ornstein on April 12, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
fyp
Ray Lewis spent more than a few off-seasons bitching about management refusing to add talent to the d-line. Tom Brady's sideline blow-ups are well-documented. Peyton butted heads with his linemen on camera and his kicker in interviews.
I haven't heard excrement about Jamal Adams getting arrested or holding out or taking PED's or freaking changing his last name to a branded nickname. If you want a winner on your team, don't expect him to sit quietly and enjoy losing.
No one wants to be part of a losing organization. Those guys you mentioned didn't make comments or social media posts about wanting out of their teams though. They also have a lot more credibility then Jamal Adams. I don't have a problem with him saying he's tired of losing, but the way he goes about it makes him look like cry baby bitch.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2020, 10:04:46 PM
Post by: Ornstein on April 12, 2020, 10:15:52 PM
Who cares? Seriously how are any of these opinions about Jamal’s tweets worth the effort it takes to form them?
It's really not a good look when the best player on the team is trying to get traded through twitter.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2020, 10:34:17 PM
I'm not even taking the call. If they want to offer me their first round pick this year and the next two we might start a conversation but they're probably going to have to sweeten the deal some as well.
Jamal is not just a safety. He's the beating heart of this team, and his value goes way beyond his play.
The only reason it makes sense to trade a guy who has the potential to wear a gold jacket one day, right now, is if we can trade him for the picks we can use to get a franchise QB. But we already have that guy is Sam Darnold. We need more players of Jamal’s caliber. Trading him for 2 picks (or 3 or 4) is just giving us the chance to draft a guy we HOPE will one day be as good as Jamal Adams. You don’t trade that guy away when you have control of him for 3 years, you just don’t.
To pick up the phone I’d want Dallas 1st and 2nd in 2020, 2021 and then more top picks from 2022, and I still might ask for a promising young athlete from last years draft class.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 13, 2020, 07:16:45 AM
Post by: insanity on April 13, 2020, 08:45:37 AM
Athletes shouldn't be role models.
In order to be the best of the best in sports you are going to have to have traits that help you succeed on the field, but are detrimental to you off the field.
If Jamal didnt get worked up about this excrement off the field he would never be as good as he is on the field because it means he wouldn't care as much as he currently does. Learn to live with, it with the understanding that it's coming from a good place, or stop rooting for him on the field.
Post by: Pope on April 13, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
I think there’s a 50/50 chance he’s tradedNo way.
Post by: Jumbo on April 13, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
I think there’s a 50/50 chance he’s traded
Either he's traded or he isn't. 50/50
Post by: Pope on April 13, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
With the 5th year option and franchise tag (for a safety) there's a ton of flexibility for Joe Douglas with Adams. If Adams is adamant for a new deal right now that's not on favorable terms to the team, I think JD has to more seriously consider the trade route.
But at this point I think trading him is very unlikely.
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2020, 03:13:03 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2020, 03:16:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2020, 04:26:49 PM
Either he's traded or he isn't. 50/50100% chance he is traded or not traded is the correct statement.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 13, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
Any Adams trade starts at two 1st-round picks. Period. Give up two firsts, and I'll consider moving Adams. Almost anything else, keep him and pay him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 13, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
I don't understand why people have issues with him. He's been a great player and leader here. Any off-field controversy has been extremely minor, and none have to do with him being a bad guy. Pay the man.
Any Adams trade starts at two 1st-round picks. Period. Give up two firsts, and I'll consider moving Adams. Almost anything else, keep him and pay him.
We would probably still get jacked. Less than 10% chance either guy we pick is as good as Adams.
Post by: insanity on April 14, 2020, 06:39:16 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-nw1OXAU4S/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2020, 07:09:18 AM
Mark sanchez being trash
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-nw1OXAU4S/
3 throws, one of which was impressive. Cromartie the real MVP with that kick return
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 14, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 11:39:41 AM
We would probably still get jacked. Less than 10% chance either guy we pick is as good as Adams.
They don't need to be as good as Adams.
You have to factor in having two first round picks, and an extra 10 million or so in cap space per year (after paying both first round picks)
So you're talking about potentially 3 good to pretty good players. Assuming they're at more valuable positions (wideout, cornerback, linebacker etc) it's completely feasible for the trade to work out.
Of course I'm far less bullish on an Adams trade actually happening
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 14, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
They don't need to be as good as Adams.
You have to factor in having two first round picks, and an extra 10 million or so in cap space per year (after paying both first round picks)
So you're talking about potentially 3 good to pretty good players. Assuming they're at more valuable positions (wideout, cornerback, linebacker etc) it's completely feasible for the trade to work out.
Of course I'm far less bullish on an Adams trade actually happening
Classic case of overthinking it, which is what the Jets and their fans have always done. Cap space doesn't get your defense off the field on 3rd down. Keep your best players and build around them.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
Classic case of overthinking it, which is what the Jets and their fans have always done. Cap space doesn't get your defense off the field on 3rd down. Keep your best players and build around them.
You just accused DCM of overthinking? wow talk about a classic case of overthinking I.S.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 14, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
You just accused DCM of overthinking? wow talk about a classic case of overthinking I.S.
Haha true, he worries about the money like it's his. Keep your good players and get more, i don't see what is so complicated about that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2020, 09:48:28 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 20, 2020, 08:11:47 AM
Unless Adams is asking for QB money, pay the man. This isn't complicated.
Exactly this. The Jets have been absolutely atrocious in drafting, and the one time we get it right, we want to trade him? freaking ridiculous.
To put things into perspective, since 2001 we have resigned just four of our first round picks:
Bryan Thomas
D'Brickashaw
Mangold
Wilkerson
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
I don't want to trade him. We need to keep talents like that. Once the draft is over and the financial picture becomes clearer, they should make him a good offer. It should start with making him the highest paid safety. Up to him to sign it, but he couldn't say the Jets weren't trying.
He hasn't become a problem, but if that changes, the Jets will be fine with a lesser replacement and a bunch of picks. There's a difference between holding out of some practice and demanding a trade or threatening to miss the season. I don't think he would do that. He's more likely to suit up and fume on twitter all year. That's fine.
For years, part of the reason the Jets have had a tough time keeping talent is that we suck and players want out unless we pay them a mountain of cash. It's easy to choose to stay with the Chiefs with a solid offer. You win games and get paid well. Until we start winning, we are gonna just churn draft picks, good or bad.
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2020, 08:27:16 AM
Exactly this. The Jets have been absolutely atrocious in drafting, and the one time we get it right, we want to trade him? freaking ridiculous.
To put things into perspective, since 2001 we have resigned just four of our first round picks:
Bryan Thomas
D'Brickashaw
Mangold
Wilkerson
Sanchez? Revis?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2020, 08:31:08 AM
Unless Adams is asking for QB money, pay the man. This isn't complicated.
So if Adams wants to be paid like an elite DL/pass rusher you think that's reasonable?
Because I'm pretty sure not a single person on the planet would even consider taking Adams over Khalil Mack or Aaron Donald
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2020, 08:37:29 AM
Exactly this. The Jets have been absolutely atrocious in drafting, and the one time we get it right, we want to trade him? freaking ridiculous.
To put things into perspective, since 2001 we have resigned just four of our first round picks:
Bryan Thomas
D'Brickashaw
Mangold
Wilkerson
To be fair dustin Keller, Dee Milliner both probably would have gotten second contracts had they not gotten annihilated by injuries.
And Sheldon Richardson was more than good enough to get a second contract, the team just retardedly drafted way more DL than it was willing to extend. Similar story with Leonard Williams. We likely would have brought him back as well had we not drafted Quinnen Williams.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 20, 2020, 08:39:24 AM
Sanchez? Revis?
Sanchez was released after 4th year and we used 5th yr option on Revis (I believe)
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2020, 08:43:04 AM
Sanchez was released after 4th year and we used 5th yr option on Revis (I believe)
Sanchez signed a three year extension the year before he was released, and he was with us for five seasons in total.
Revis was with us for six years and signed a new three year contract at the beginning of his fifth season. I can understand why you might not remember that as it was all done very quietly and amicably, and was hardly mentioned in the press at all.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 20, 2020, 09:02:41 AM
Sanchez signed a three year extension the year before he was released, and he was with us for five seasons in total.
Revis was with us for six years and signed a new three year contract at the beginning of his fifth season. I can understand why you might not remember that as it was all done very quietly and amicably, and was hardly mentioned in the press at all.
Whoops, ok make it 6 players.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 20, 2020, 09:42:56 AM
Sanchez signed a three year extension the year before he was released, and he was with us for five seasons in total.
Revis was with us for six years and signed a new three year contract at the beginning of his fifth season. I can understand why you might not remember that as it was all done very quietly and amicably, and was hardly mentioned in the press at all.
Haha, yeah, Tannenbaum got Revis resigned after the 2010 pre season holdout that was on Hard Knocks, with Rex flying to Florida. That's how we had him locked in at $6 million for 2013 without Revis having the option to hold out. The best laid plans...
Post by: insanity on April 20, 2020, 11:04:41 AM
...Dee Milliner both probably would have gotten second contracts had they not gotten annihilated by injuries.This might be the craziest thing you've proposed on this board. I'm not even arguing your wrong. I just can't possibly fathom how many potential dots your brain had to connect in order to come to this conclusion.
HOW?!?!?!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 20, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
To be fair dustin Keller, Dee Milliner both probably would have gotten second contracts had they not gotten annihilated by injuries.
And Sheldon Richardson was more than good enough to get a second contract, the team just retardedly drafted way more DL than it was willing to extend. Similar story with Leonard Williams. We likely would have brought him back as well had we not drafted Quinnen Williams.
Leonard Williams went from promising to a complete turd seemingly overnight.
He is not good. He is soft as hell. Glad we got a few picks for him.
Sheldon Richardson was moved because he was a cancerous presence in the locker room. Rex Ryan built a shitty culture and it bled into Bowles' regime.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 20, 2020, 12:21:57 PM
Post by: insanity on April 20, 2020, 07:35:24 PM
The Fitz extension looks like a good idea compared to Milliner getting a 2nd contractThat's a good debate
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 20, 2020, 08:46:22 PM
That's a good debate
“Good”
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2020, 09:20:39 PM
Time for the Jets to draft a QB!
Post by: reuben on April 20, 2020, 09:39:02 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-virtual-meetings-20200420-noukvwx7mbcg3kkujx57esrcg4-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Time for the Jets to draft a QB!
Goddamn right it is, I see no need to waste valuable preseason snaps on David Fales.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 11:15:00 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-virtual-meetings-20200420-noukvwx7mbcg3kkujx57esrcg4-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Time for the Jets to draft a QB!
Did you read this headline and think it was controversial?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Goddamn right it is, I see no need to waste valuable preseason snaps on David Fales.
100%
We’re due to draft a QB. Ideally someone that can backup right away.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2020, 11:20:36 PM
Did you read this headline and think it was controversial?
Yes
It's very controversial
I think we should announce the starting job is up for grabs
Post by: casman02 on April 21, 2020, 07:19:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2020, 06:41:14 AM
Post by: reuben on April 22, 2020, 07:45:37 AM
https://twitter.com/rsherman_25/status/1252744929832398848?s=21
Been retired three years but still living rent free in Richard Sherman's head
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Post by: CatoTheElder on April 22, 2020, 08:02:22 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2020, 11:08:33 AM
In the last 40 years, all 2nd round picks drafted by the Jets have combined to make.... 0 AP first-team All-Pro teams, and 1 Pro Bowl.
And the 1 Pro Bowl was as a returner.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 22, 2020, 11:16:23 AM
Football Perspective @fbgchase
In the last 40 years, all 2nd round picks drafted by the Jets have combined to make.... 0 AP first-team All-Pro teams, and 1 Pro Bowl.
And the 1 Pro Bowl was as a returner.
Are they trying to tell me Justin Miller wasn't a god? Because I mean he wasn't even that great a return man, but still!
Also David Harris never making a pro bowl was criminal
Post by: WD40 on April 22, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-adjusted-games-lost-part-i
Post by: reuben on April 22, 2020, 03:21:18 PM
Apparently, the Jets led the league in injuries. Not a huge surprise, but its the second worst figure FO has ever tracked.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-adjusted-games-lost-part-i
I suspected it had to be close to record-breaking.
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2020, 05:34:45 PM
For what it’s worth, the Bears went 3-13 in 2016 (most injured team of all time in that metric)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/rsherman_25/status/1252744929832398848?s=21
https://twitter.com/pompapalooza/status/1253066330909151232?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 22, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2020, 05:57:36 PM
I suspected it had to be close to record-breaking.
It was.
From Football Outsiders: the 2019 Jets had the 2nd-most adjusted games lost due to injury ever recorded (160.1), since they began tracking in 2001 (it adjusts for starters/backups and also accounts for injury report designations)
I'll take any other Jets related news over Revis vs Sherman.
Happy?
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 22, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
Happy?
Yes, actually.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2020, 06:10:08 PM
Yes, actually.
Brb bumping Gase thread
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 23, 2020, 09:28:26 AM
Are they trying to tell me Justin Miller wasn't a god? Because I mean he wasn't even that great a return man, but still!
Also David Harris never making a pro bowl was criminal
Also surprised Harris never made the Pro Bowl but he's our only 2nd rounder who lived up to it in years. I was about to say they left out Gastineau but that's over 40 years now. freak I'm old.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 23, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
Brb bumping Gase thread
Lol
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
Post by: Ornstein on April 23, 2020, 07:41:15 PM
Also surprised Harris never made the Pro Bowl but he's our only 2nd rounder who lived up to it in years. I was about to say they left out Gastineau but that's over 40 years now. freak I'm old.
He was an absolute monster in 09 when they brought Bart Scott in to play next to him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 23, 2020, 08:18:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
Mark Sanchez was on Joe and Evan (still is). Just caught some of the tail end of it. From what I heard, it's been great so far. I'm looking forward to listening to the whole interview later.
He is awesome as a commentator and analyst.
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 10:15:00 AM
New Bengals LB Austin Calitro was a popular player on waivers, with five teams trying to claim him: the Bengals, Broncos, Browns, Jets and Raiders. Cincy had the top priority and picked up a talented young player.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
Field Yates @FieldYates
New Bengals LB Austin Calitro was a popular player on waivers, with five teams trying to claim him: the Bengals, Broncos, Browns, Jets and Raiders. Cincy had the top priority and picked up a talented young player.
Very good special teamer
Post by: Miamipuck on April 29, 2020, 11:53:20 AM
Field Yates @FieldYates
New Bengals LB Austin Calitro was a popular player on waivers, with five teams trying to claim him: the Bengals, Broncos, Browns, Jets and Raiders. Cincy had the top priority and picked up a talented young player.
Very good special teamer
Jacksonville resigned him and then released the guy 5 days later...lmao
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2020, 07:43:28 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 06, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 06, 2020, 10:47:35 PM
Brett Favre is a piece of excrement. That opinion has nothing to do with that article, just a sentence that comes to my mind whenever I hear his name.
I want to know the raging idiot that would pay to hear that schmuck talk. Can he even formulate a coherent sentence.
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2020, 10:56:57 PM
I want to know the raging idiot that would pay to hear that schmuck talk. Can he even formulate a coherent sentence.
Wrangler has ghost written all of his sentences since 2003.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 11:25:48 AM
Brett Favre was, is, and will be till Darnold wins the Super Bowl, my favorite QB of all time.
Peyton Manning for me, but I always loved Favre. Definitely seems like a dickhead off the field though.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 07, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Wrangler has ghost written all of his sentences since 2003.
So wrangler wears the pants in the relationship.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2020, 12:52:23 PM
Peyton Manning for me, but I always loved Favre. Definitely seems like a dickhead off the field though.
I've despised Manning every single day since he basically said he'd rather stay in school than make millions to play for the Jets.
Favre is likely a shitty person.
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 01:22:31 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1258395146841882625
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
This is a bit weird:
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1258395146841882625
We should have a thread on here where we can all say nice stuff about each other
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2020, 02:35:17 PM
We should have a thread on here where we can all say nice stuff about each otherYou are my favorite retard.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 07, 2020, 02:48:56 PM
I've despised Manning every single day since he basically said he'd rather stay in school than make millions to play for the Jets.
Yep. And then he helps convince our shithead owner that Gase is our answer at head coach.
freak. Manning.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 07, 2020, 03:35:53 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 07, 2020, 04:11:30 PM
We should have a thread on here where we can all say nice stuff about each other
You can put it in Guinness's Hot Bum Sex thread.
Post by: Pope on May 07, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Post by: Pope on May 07, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
This is a bit weird:Maybe some bullshit attempt at good karma
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1258395146841882625
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 07, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
my favorite QB ever is prime, pre-injury chad
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 08:37:46 PM
i guess i have low standardsChad might be mine too. The negative memories don't cancel out the positive ones like they do with Sanchez.
my favorite QB ever is prime, pre-injury chad
Oddly enough my favorite non-Jet QB might be Kurt Warner.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 09:27:03 PM
Growing up I liked to watch Dante Culpepper.
I like Drew Brees as a person, but watching him just makes me spiteful we haven’t had a QB like that. Yet.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 09:28:16 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 10:33:31 PM
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
I said this before the playoffs last year. I like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes, I don’t despise the Chiefs or the Ravens, but freak both of them when it comes to my interests in NFL football. Watching them excel is entertaining, but it also itches me that the more they dominate the more difficult our path becomes.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Gregg_Williams_%28cropped%29.jpg/174px-Gregg_Williams_%28cropped%29.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Tabasco_Pepper_Sauce_A_Scientific_Preparation_ad_1900.jpg/148px-Tabasco_Pepper_Sauce_A_Scientific_Preparation_ad_1900.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on May 08, 2020, 12:09:29 AM
i guess i have low standards
my favorite QB ever is prime, pre-injury chad
You had a good 3 game ride.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 03:45:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
Saints cut Larry Warford. He's better than any current guard option on the roster.We may end up with too many gords.............. Hahaha, just kidding, no such thing.
He will probably get a good deal somewhere. Might get too pricey, even if we cut Winters. That'll be a lot of cash sunk in guards. I assume Winters will be cut anyway, so his money doesn't count.
Edit: I forgot Doug paid so little for Lewis and Van Roten. Sign Warlord, cut Winters meow.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 03:52:17 PM
Saints cut Larry Warford. He's better than any current guard option on the roster.
Cam Clark SZN
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 03:54:33 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 08, 2020, 04:53:26 PM
Douglas should release Winters and sign Warford ASAP
I wouldn't even hesitate. Warford is 28 and one of the leagues best OG's.
Warford is by far the best option to improve the team of any on the market. If we really want to protect Sam, adding Warford should be a no-brainer choice. Given he was slated to make barely any more money than Winters was this year, I would swap those two out in a New York Minute.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 08, 2020, 04:57:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 08, 2020, 05:43:36 PM
I think all of us would swap Winters for Warford in a heartbeat. The question is would the other 31 teams let us do that. I assume Warford will be a popular free agent on the market. But he is clearly an upgrade over Lewis and Van Roten and Winters and Andrews. I'm not sure if Lewis and Van Roten would be particularly happy with the move, but let them compete for a spot.
Good news is they don't have to be happy. I have to imagine neither was guaranteed a starting spot.
I would go to Warford's camp and tell them to call me before accepting an offer, I'd plan to match or beat basically any sane offer for the guy. Hell I'd pack that thing so full of incentives he would be well compensated if his probowl play continues.
Post by: IATA on May 08, 2020, 05:52:11 PM
The #Jets currently have $18m in cap space, per OTC, with more coming June 1st RE Trumaine Johnson. They can add $7.28m to that by cutting Brian Winters.
Want to build a wall around Sam Darnold? Do it by adding a 28-year-old, three-time Pro Bowler in the prime of his career
Post by: Libero_2 on May 08, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
@Connor_J_Hughes
The #Jets currently have $18m in cap space, per OTC, with more coming June 1st RE Trumaine Johnson. They can add $7.28m to that by cutting Brian Winters.
Want to build a wall around Sam Darnold? Do it by adding a 28-year-old, three-time Pro Bowler in the prime of his career
He's right.
I expect Warford's contingent to collect offers over the next 24-48 hours, and pick a new team on Monday.
I hope it's us, but I can also see a team offering him a crap-ton of money to ensure they obtain his services. Virtually every team in the league can benefit from Warford. I'm honestly surprised that the Saints weren't able (or interested in) to move him for something late in the 2021 draft.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 08, 2020, 06:01:05 PM
He also had a down year last year.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 08, 2020, 07:14:36 PM
He’s only 28 and has a track record that far exceeds anything we have on the roster.
He also had a down year last year.
Which could drive his price down.
But in reality I expect 15+ teams will contact Warford about joining up. I’m hopeful we are one of the teams there at the end...
Post by: reuben on May 08, 2020, 07:18:18 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 09, 2020, 09:07:31 AM
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Eagles lead the NFL with 9 contracts that average at least $10M a year. Cowboys, Browns, Bucs, Texans, Vikings and Bears all have 8. Jets are last with just 2.
Means we have room to add one in Warford if we want too
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
This is a fun tweet https://twitter.com/jason_otc/status/1258949181592547329?s=21Sign him for $9.9999 million per year.
Means we have room to add one in Warford if we want too
Post by: Libero_2 on May 09, 2020, 11:04:37 AM
This is a fun tweet https://twitter.com/jason_otc/status/1258949181592547329?s=21
Means we have room to add one in Warford if we want too
Is it really just CJ Mosely and Bell making that much? I though Fant was $10 mill per as well (albeit mostly not “real” money)
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2020, 12:58:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 10, 2020, 09:26:02 PM
Fun fact, we took Milliner, Richardson, and Geno Smith ahead of Warford.
This is not fun.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
Post by: delavan on May 11, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1259882245072052227
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
Big Ticket bringing the human kindness
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1259882245072052227
I don't want to get carried away here, but he's probably going to be the greatest player to ever pull on a Jets jersey.
Post by: insanity on May 11, 2020, 08:45:04 PM
I don't want to get carried away here, but he's probably going to be the greatest player to ever pull on a Jets jersey.Idk man seems like has a bad attitude and is pretty lazy
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Idk man seems like has a bad attitude and is pretty lazySloppy fatz
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2020, 02:01:12 PM
Wake me up when Chrebet has an OnlyFans
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
https://twitter.com/waynechrebet/status/1270018345773993986?s=09
Wake me up when Chrebet has an OnlyFans
That cameo stuff is pretty cool. One of the managers got one for our company all hands call a few weeks ago from Greg Grunberg (Snap Wexley in Star Wars). He seems like a nice dude.
Post by: MBGreen on June 08, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
That cameo stuff is pretty cool. One of the managers got one for our company all hands call a few weeks ago from Greg Grunberg (Snap Wexley in Star Wars). He seems like a nice dude.
Greg Grunberg is also Matt Parkman from Heroes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
Greg Grunberg is also Matt Parkman from Heroes.
Greg Grunberg sounds like a Rick and Morty character that Jerry refuses to believe is touching children.
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 12:51:18 PM
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
Post by: Heismanberg on June 11, 2020, 12:56:12 PM
These results are shocking. Shocking, I tell you. No one could have predicted where we came on this.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
Embarrassing
Post by: MBGreen on June 11, 2020, 01:43:30 PM
These results are shocking. Shocking, I tell you. No one could have predicted where we came on this.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
Death to Smoochy
Post by: Jumbo on June 11, 2020, 01:49:47 PM
These results are shocking. Shocking, I tell you. No one could have predicted where we came on this.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
Don't think I would have predicted by far dead last. Jesus
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 11, 2020, 01:52:38 PM
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 02:22:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 02:31:40 PM
CLE top 3, dynasty
I don't think you've read the article or the charts properly.
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 03:09:09 PM
I don't think you've read the article or the charts properly.BELIEVELAND
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 11, 2020, 11:32:44 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 13, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
https://twitter.com/JClarkNBCS/status/1271904027752763398
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 05:02:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2020, 04:51:49 PM
Cimini
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 04:54:24 PM
The Jets have replaced longtime head trainer John Mellody, ESPN has learned. His longtime assistant, Dave Zuffelato, will take his place. Mellody will remain as a consultant. The team had a rash of injuries last season.
Cimini
This is important
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 16, 2020, 04:59:56 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 16, 2020, 06:04:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2020, 07:47:28 PM
Post by: reuben on June 16, 2020, 08:06:38 PM
https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1273043760641986560?s=21
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I've heard this was building for awhile as there has been friction specifically between Adam Gase and Mellody, someone who has been highly praised in Jets org. for 2 decades
Friction between [person] and Adam Gase?! SHOCKING
Post by: mj2sexay on June 16, 2020, 08:12:00 PM
Friction between [person] and Adam Gase?! SHOCKING
Hey because if there's definitive proof that someone knows what they're doing, its spending two decades with the Jets.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 16, 2020, 08:14:31 PM
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 10:25:02 PM
Friction between [person] and Adam Gase?! SHOCKING
Hey because if there's definitive proof that someone knows what they're doing, its spending two decades with the Jets.Unstoppable douche vs immovable turd
Post by: Libero_2 on June 16, 2020, 10:27:06 PM
And as against Gase as I am, how can you not expect him to be pissed at the training staff? They mishandled Mosley’s return to the field, Herndon may or may not have had his injury exacerbated, the entire Osemele situation, the number of guys that simply couldn’t get on the field?
Our training staff was absolutely NOT good last year, and frankly probably haven’t been for some time. It’s time for changes, and unfortunately I had hoped for more
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 07:30:29 AM
I’m sorry but after the ridiculous injuries we have had I would have hoped for more sweeping changes to the training staff.
And as against Gase as I am, how can you not expect him to be pissed at the training staff? They mishandled Mosley’s return to the field, Herndon may or may not have had his injury exacerbated, the entire Osemele situation, the number of guys that simply couldn’t get on the field?
Our training staff was absolutely NOT good last year, and frankly probably haven’t been for some time. It’s time for changes, and unfortunately I had hoped for more
Our offense was the biggest POS in the league last year.....nobody from the offensive coaching staff was fired.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 07:36:59 AM
Our offense was the biggest POS in the league last year.....nobody from the offensive coaching staff was fired.
Quite a few of our offensive linemen were fired.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 07:41:55 AM
Quite a few of our offensive linemen were fired.
Winter(s) is coming....
Post by: Jumbo on June 17, 2020, 12:30:09 PM
I don't know much about the trainer, but last season's injury results were awful. I don't know about replacing him with his right hand man, but I don't see why it would be a bad thing to change it either.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 01:35:49 PM
Duff would potentially still be in power here instead of Joe Douglas if not for the GodCoach Adam Gase
Wasn't Duff the one that scuttled the Rhule hiring in the first place because he wanted input on the staff?
If that's the case, what an insane butterfly effect considering his own fate and that of Rhule getting handed that insane contract a year later from Carolina.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 01:57:22 PM
Wasn't Duff the one that scuttled the Rhule hiring in the first place because he wanted input on the staff?I thought ownership did that because the team's weird hierarchy. I could be misremembering though.
If that's the case, what an insane butterfly effect considering his own fate and that of Rhule getting handed that insane contract a year later from Carolina.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 17, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
Post by: IATA on June 17, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
Post by: IATA on June 17, 2020, 02:02:27 PM
As far as I remember, Rhule and the Jets disagreed over Rhule’s proposed offensive coordinator. The team wanted him to pick someone who was more seasoned in the NFL and Rhule didn’t want to take a job where the front office had veto power on his staff.Yes, rhule asked bill Parcells and Parcells said not to take a job where he couldn't pick his staff.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
As far as I remember, Rhule and the Jets disagreed over Rhule’s proposed offensive coordinator. The team wanted him to pick someone who was more seasoned in the NFL and Rhule didn’t want to take a job where the front office had veto power on his staff.
The FO wanted Todd "tough shop 2.0" Monken to be Rhule's OC....IIRC.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 22, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/20/report-former-titans-dt-josh-evans-is-battling-dire-cancer-diagnosis/
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 05:11:31 AM
Mo Wilks brother charged with murder.
This happened in freaking Bridgewater!? Literally nothing happens in that town, its a mall and a decent outdoor bar in Green Knoll.
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 11:38:16 AM
@BrianCoz
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25m
Jets special teams coach Brant Boyer said it will be an open competition at kicker between Sam Ficken and Brett Maher. #nyj
i'd be floored if Ficken wins the job.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 11:40:19 AM
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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25m
Jets special teams coach Brant Boyer said it will be an open competition at kicker between Sam Ficken and Brett Maher. #nyj
i'd be floored if Ficken wins the job.
Can't believe they're actually letting him compete for the job
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 11:46:29 AM
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
Ficken must have gay porn pics of the entire front office.Manish will get to the powerbottom of this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 25, 2020, 12:03:22 PM
Manish will get to the powerbottom of this.
I don't think you're going to be able to top this post today.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 25, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 11:50:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 26, 2020, 08:55:09 PM
Post by: reuben on June 26, 2020, 10:31:07 PM
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2020, 08:58:05 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2020, 01:31:21 PM
Honestly, when we signed Maher, this is kind of what I expected. Two mediocre kickers going against each other, and hopefully they catch lightning in a bottle. Ficken wasn't great, but he wasn't awful, and I don't think he's actually ever entered training camp as the incumbent, so maybe that gives him some extra confidence. Maher is basically Nick Folk 2.0 in terms of being a Cowboys kicker who was good for a few years, then had one really bad year, and we got him on the rebound. Hopefully, he is as good here as Folk was.
I disagree, Ficken was awful
Maher isn’t comparable to Folk because he doesn’t have a long track record of success pre-injury. Maher has a bomb of a leg but only had 1 good season and then completely lost his accuracy his 2nd year in Dallas. Not sure if any of that was due to injury.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
Just found a deck of "Jets Legends" playing cards in my closet
You have a first edition Jeff Cumberland?
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
You have a first edition Jeff Cumberland?
Names like that are why I drink in the morning.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2020, 01:51:14 PM
Names like that are why I drink in the morning.Cumby
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Post by: insanity on June 27, 2020, 04:39:46 PM
The mental gymnastics we used to do trying to convince ourselves that Cumberland actually had the potential to become a good player are still fresh in my head.I mean he was no chris baker
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2020, 07:43:44 PM
Names like that are why I drink in the morning.
*Correction: Stats like this are why you drink in the morning.
Jets Receiving Yards 2010-19
1. Anderson 3059
2. Kerley 2442
3. Marshall 2290
4. Decker 2183
5. Holmes 2128
6. Keller 1819
7. Enunwa 1617
8. Powell 1600
9. Kearse 1181
10. Cumberland 1119
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 10:20:18 PM
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2020, 10:23:28 PM
You have a first edition Jeff Cumberland?I doubt very many players from the last decade are in it.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 27, 2020, 10:39:47 PM
This team sucks.
lol
this team does suck. why are we fans
at least some of you get to taste success with the yankees. my dad should have rocked me when he found out i was a jets/knick/mets fan
Post by: mj2sexay on June 27, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
lol
this team does suck. why are we fans
at least some of you get to taste success with the yankees. my dad should have rocked me when he found out i was a jets/knick/mets fan
I rue the day my dad took me to see Giants/Eagles on the same day as game 5 of the 96 ALCS.
On top of being pissed off as a kid for missing such a pivotal Yankee game (baseball was my first love, wasn't alive for any sort of previous Yankee run), the game was death in terms of introducing a kid to football. On par with the immortal Jets/Cardinals debacle featuring McElroy/Sanchez and Ryan Lindley in terms of setting offensive football back. Dave Brown makes Josh Allan look like fuckin Drew Brees.
I had absolutely zero shot of ever becoming a Giants fan after that day. And so I'm stuck with a franchise that pays my adoration back with perpetual buggery, and I'm the catcher.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2020, 10:31:20 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 01, 2020, 10:33:09 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-jets-still-talking-to-demaryius-thomas/
Good
Bring him in to mentor Denzel Mims
Post by: MBGreen on July 02, 2020, 06:41:13 AM
GoodMims already has Tough Shop Loggains mentoring him
Bring him in to mentor Denzel Mims
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 07:56:36 AM
Mims already has Tough Shop Loggains mentoring him
Tough Shop will teach him how to drown in hoo-ha
Post by: delavan on July 02, 2020, 09:19:40 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/demaryius-thomas-says-he-would-love-to-be-a-bronco-in-2020-now-that-hes-healthy/
Quote
"I would love to be a Denver Bronco," Thomas said on 104.3 The Fan on Wednesday, via Nicki Jhabvala of The Athletic. "That's where I got drafted, that's where I played well. ... A lot of friends that consider me family are out there. I love Denver. But it had to go down the way it did. It is what it is. I'll retire there one day."
"It would be amazing," Thomas said of re-signing with Denver. "Like I said, I was talking to Courtland about it the other day, and I was telling him, I'm not coming to try to be no No. 1 or whatever. I ain't trying to be that. I'm just trying to be a part of something I can help win. I ain't trying to be no big shot. I want to be a part of something that I can help win because I know I can still play ball. I still got good ball in me.
"It would be great. I would finish there if I came back. I wouldn't go nowhere else."
Post by: Libero_2 on July 02, 2020, 09:48:51 AM
Granted this was 2 months ago but Thomas sounds like he's still got Bronco blood in him, fwiw
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/demaryius-thomas-says-he-would-love-to-be-a-bronco-in-2020-now-that-hes-healthy/
He can want them, but they don’t want him. Having just drafted Jeudy and Hamler with Sutton in the gold, there’s no spot on the roster for a vet that won’t play Teams at a high level.
Frankly if we want him back / he is willing to play for vet minimum, he will be a Jet IMO. But if we only want him back at the min or on a non-guaranteed deal worth a Good bit above the minimum, then He may well not play for us again
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2020, 02:33:12 PM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/07/ladainian-tomlinson-signing-new-york-jets-best-career-decision-san-diego-chargers/amp/
Probably my favourite player ever.
Post by: delavan on July 07, 2020, 05:56:16 PM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/07/ladainian-tomlinson-signing-new-york-jets-best-career-decision-san-diego-chargers/amp/
As good as the guy's 'RB' package still was when he joined the NYJ, LT's 'pass-in-the-flat' impacts offered Sanchez a nice 3rd down 'out'
c2020 captain - obvious
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:57:01 PM
Probably my favourite player ever.
Same
Post by: insanity on July 17, 2020, 07:00:58 AM
Post by: Badger on July 20, 2020, 08:25:42 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/19/how-jets-will-comply-with-nfl-social-distancing-guidelines/
Post by: bojanglesman on July 20, 2020, 08:57:48 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2020, 07:16:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 20, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
Polite
zuniga haha, fvck jachai polite and mike macaggnan
Ashtyn Davis is the only unsigned rookie
i have a feeling he's going to be the next white trash favorite on the jets
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2020, 07:31:37 PM
zuniga haha
You win the prize
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2020, 08:51:37 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 21, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1285569588227448835?s=21
Some people just have too much extra money
I wish I had that problem and the ability to deck out my place with amazing memorabilia
Post by: delavan on July 21, 2020, 11:01:15 AM
I wish I had that problem and the ability to deck out my place with amazing memorabilia
https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/autographs/jenna-jameson-signed-panties/a/1055-210.s
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 04:10:50 PM
https://t.co/RDbNZGWUiN
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 04:15:01 PM
Spoke to my boy @clownejd today, told me to the tell the @nyjets to come get him!! Let’s make it happen
Dollar Store Prez is in the building
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 01:11:22 PM
Quote
The #Jets have an opt-out: OL Leo Koloamatangi, source said, informed the team that he’ll do so due to COVID-19 concerns. He got playing time late last season.
Season's over
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 01:12:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
Season's over
Better to guarantee $150K this season than risk not making the roster and get nothing.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2020, 02:09:28 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
Rookie DBs Bryce Hall (5th round pick) and Shyheim Carter (priority UDFA) were placed on the COVID-19 list
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1288227443124379648?s=20
Rookie DBs Bryce Hall (5th round pick) and Shyheim Carter (priority UDFA) were placed on the COVID-19 list
Just so there's no confusion that's not the opt out list, but the list of confirmed covid and or quarantined
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 05:14:55 PM
Just so there's no confusion that's not the opt out list, but the list of confirmed covid and or quarantined
They tested positive
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
They tested positive
For opting out?
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 28, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
Maybe Gase will opt out.
Then he’ll have to come up with a new excuse to skip all of his family holidays this year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2020, 07:09:19 PM
Then he’ll have to come up with a new excuse to skip all of his family holidays this year.
Do you think he really needs an excuse?
Adam: "Hey mom, it's gonna be hard for me to make it Thanksgiving beca--"
Momma Gase: "K BAI!"
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:09:19 PM
They tested aladeen
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2020, 09:41:25 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 29, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
https://twitter.com/NewsdaySports/status/1288482425539047426?s=19
Giving up Vilma always hurt. He was one of my favorites
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2020, 09:23:04 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 31, 2020, 09:26:54 AM
https://twitter.com/NewsdaySports/status/1288482425539047426?s=19
Vilma was a class act. Dealing him was right up there with taking Gholston in terms of the worst of Tangini.
At least with Gholston there were a lot of people who thought he was can't miss. That Vilma trade was like the Knicks handing Jerome James a 55 million dollar contract-bad idea the second it happened.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2020, 09:27:02 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200731/3aa8286c27252c1a4155b3541260b0da.jpg)
I was thinking of making a new thread for the incoming Epstein stuff, but I can't come up with anything creative.
Famous Pedos: The Epstein Years?
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
Vilma was a class act. Dealing him was right up there with taking Gholston in terms of the worst of Tangini.Loved Vilma as a Jet but I remember some shitty uncalled for remark he made about the Jets years later and it kinda pissed me off. IIRC it may have been during the fallout from Bountygate and he was denying something that "leaked" from a Saints source and he said "no, this isn't the Jets."
At least with Gholston there were a lot of people who thought he was can't miss. That Vilma trade was like the Knicks handing Jerome James a 55 million dollar contract-bad idea the second it happened.
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
I was thinking of making a new thread for the incoming Epstein stuff, but I can't come up with anything creative.I agree we could use a dedicated Epstein thread.
Famous Pedos: The Epstein Years?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2020, 09:34:40 AM
I agree we could use a dedicated Epstein thread.
JE's pretty good at thread titles. Trumpster Fire was a gem.
Post by: delavan on July 31, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
Vilma was a class act. Dealing him was right up there with taking Gholston in terms of the worst of Tangini.JV: under Herm in a 4-3; Mangini went 3-4. Saints were 4-3 until Rob Ryan became DC in 2013. JV's 2012 year was....interesting..
At least with Gholston there were a lot of people who thought he was can't miss. That Vilma trade was like the Knicks handing Jerome James a 55 million dollar contract-bad idea the second it happened.
Gholston: name was leaked as a Patriot covet. Mangenious bit on the fake and the Ghost was in play. Stiff as a corp$e with the motor of a Yugo.
edit:
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1288866948839661568
Post by: insanity on August 06, 2020, 12:52:24 PM
Great game and experience
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 06, 2020, 03:01:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1291003523958624258This might be the most fun I've had as a Jets fan in person. I loved looking at the players' reactions to the fans going nuts. Some seemed to be nodding their heads. Some looked confused.
Great game and experience
Post by: insanity on August 06, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
This might be the most fun I've had as a Jets fan in person. I loved looking at the players' reactions to the fans going nuts. Some seemed to be nodding their heads. Some looked confused.The only remember three things about that game.
1. This one guy in our section was giving everyone a play by play and we were all waiting on bated breath
2. We were going nuts when the Pats won
3. Favre sucked in that game
I feel like once the Pats won there was no way we were losing that game.
Post by: insanity on August 10, 2020, 04:09:47 PM
https://johngeigerco.com/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2020, 06:34:07 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1291003523958624258
Great game and experience
I literally can’t even imagine a crowd like this at MetLife
Post by: Libero_2 on August 10, 2020, 06:44:11 PM
I literally can’t even imagine a crowd like this at MetLife
I would wager that is because it hasn’t ever happened
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2020, 06:48:25 PM
Geiger is apparently now a fashion designer
https://johngeigerco.com/
70$ t-shirts and 320 dollar shoes
Who the freak would buy that excrement
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 07:10:37 PM
70$ t-shirts and 320 dollar shoes
Who the freak would buy that excrement
I'm not interested in the clothes he makes as streetwear isn't really my thing, but those prices are far from unreasonable. Let me guess, you shop at George?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
I'm not interested in the clothes he makes as streetwear isn't really my thing, but those prices are far from unreasonable. Let me guess, you shop at George?
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
And I don't know any man whose ever spent 300 dollars on a pair of sneakers, let alone 200. Hell spending 100 on them is freaking retarded.
If you wanna talk about business wear or formal attire then I'll give you a maybeeeee that it's not batshit crazy.
But for basic excrement, freak no
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 07:44:53 PM
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?George shopper confirmed
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2020, 07:47:50 PM
George shopper confirmed
Let me know how many people on this board own a pair of SNEAKERS they paid over 300$ for
Hell nice underarmour excrement doesn't even come close to those prices.
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 07:49:06 PM
Let me know how many people on this board own a pair of SNEAKERS they paid over 300$ forI have at least four pairs of shoes I've paid that much for. I'm not big on sneakers but I know they easily go for that and a lot more.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2020, 07:50:53 PM
I have at least four pairs of shoes I've paid that much for. I'm not big on sneakers but I know they easily go for that and a lot more.
Let's see how many other guys on this board chime in that they have over 1000 dollars in non formal/business attire shoes
Post by: Libero_2 on August 10, 2020, 07:57:49 PM
Post by: insanity on August 10, 2020, 08:47:49 PM
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
And I don't know any man whose ever spent 300 dollars on a pair of sneakers, let alone 200. Hell spending 100 on them is freaking retarded.
If you wanna talk about business wear or formal attire then I'll give you a maybeeeee that it's not batshit crazy.
But for basic excrement, freak no
You know what makes me a man? Only spending $300 a year on clothes. #ALPHA
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 09:09:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2020, 09:13:48 PM
Let's see how many other guys on this board chime in that they have over 1000 dollars in non formal/business attire shoes
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,2831.msg197817.html#msg197817
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 08:08:07 AM
I'm not interested in the clothes he makes as streetwear isn't really my thing, but those prices are far from unreasonable. Let me guess, you shop at George?They're unreasonable for normal people.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 08:11:19 AM
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?$100 is the high end of what I would consider palatable for a pair of sneakers, but I'm usually able to find something I want in the $60 area.
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
And I don't know any man whose ever spent 300 dollars on a pair of sneakers, let alone 200. Hell spending 100 on them is freaking retarded.
If you wanna talk about business wear or formal attire then I'll give you a maybeeeee that it's not batshit crazy.
But for basic excrement, freak no
I have made the mistake of buying $20 sneakers once, never again.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 08:12:04 AM
$70 for a t-shirt is honestly nothing special either. You'll pay $50 for a tour shirt at a gig and that's just screenprinted Fruit Of The Loom crap. $70 for something from a moderately OK designer is a bargain, you can easily pay three times that.What the freak, I've never paid more than $20 or $25 for a concert t shirt.
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
They're unreasonable for normal people.
People who think that it is acceptable to wear camouflage pattern cargo shorts have surrendered any and all right to hold an opinion on fashion.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 08:14:39 AM
Imagine getting ripped off and painting it as having excellent taste.
Imagine if I had done that.
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 09:13:27 AM
The most I've ever spent on footwear were for these.
(https://osb-p.imgix.net/catalog/product/cache/c20e11e8755b8e0e41db1143d039b5fc/o/a/oak-street-bootmakers-trench-boot-natural-chromexcel-dainite-sole-1-422.jpg)
https://bit.ly/3fMpTON
In the fall/winter I wear them basically every day. 6/7 years later they still look amazing and I expect to get atleast another 5 years out of them.
The most I've ever spend on sneakers are probably these
(https://stockx.imgix.net/Nike-Dunk-SB-High-Lucky-7.jpg?fit=fill&bg=FFFFFF&w=700&h=500&auto=format,compress&q=90&trim=color&updated_at=1538080256&w=1000)
I paid somewhere between $250-$300 for them 10+ years ago and they are worth a lot more now.
https://bit.ly/3gRWSm4
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
FWIW I spend a lot of money, or at least I used to, on sneakers, shoes, and boots.
The most I've ever spent on footwear were for these.
(https://osb-p.imgix.net/catalog/product/cache/c20e11e8755b8e0e41db1143d039b5fc/o/a/oak-street-bootmakers-trench-boot-natural-chromexcel-dainite-sole-1-422.jpg)
https://bit.ly/3fMpTON
In the fall/winter I wear them basically every day. 6/7 years later they still look amazing and I expect to get atleast another 5 years out of them.
Big fan of boots and those are really nice.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
Imagine if I had done that.$70 for a t shirt
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 09:37:17 AM
People who think that it is acceptable to wear camouflage pattern cargo shorts have surrendered any and all right to hold an opinion on fashion.
Shots Fired
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 09:39:23 AM
So I can keep it real at work
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 09:50:59 AM
Those Hitler Youth boots are #gayThank you for your fashion advice
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 09:51:31 AM
https://www.timberland.com/shop/mens-kendrick-side-zip-waterproof-boots-a2cb2140Why do your work boots have zippers and laces that don't work?
So I can keep it real at work
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
$70 for a t shirt
a) "Ripped off" is a subjective term
b) Cost is not an indicator of taste, nor have I suggested as much
What the freak, I've never paid more than $20 or $25 for a concert t shirt.
$50 at the Slayer farewell gig
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 10:05:52 AM
https://www.timberland.com/shop/mens-kendrick-side-zip-waterproof-boots-a2cb2140
So I can keep it real at work
Those aren't bad.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 10:07:46 AM
Why do your work boots have zippers and laces that don't work?For blue collar aesthetic virtue signaling
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 10:09:29 AM
Why do your work boots have zippers and laces that don't work?
Zippers on boots are really useful, they're much easier than laces when your fingers are frozen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2020, 10:16:00 AM
Zippers on boots are really useful, they're much easier than laces when your fingers are frozen.
There was a style of safety boots With zippers on the side that were really popular on my first ship despite them not being authorized in uniform.
One chief got indignant over seeing people wearing them (to be fair, part the CPOs’ job is enforcing uniform regulations and standards) and went on a rant about how the zippers being made of a plastic would melt if the person wearing them were caught in a space with a fire. He somehow went on for about five minutes about people getting stuck in their boots due to the melted zipper, being unable to dress out in firefighting equipment, forcing medical to take the extra effort to cut them off of you in case you needed to be treated...etc. until a very junior sailor just blurted out, “I’d probably just untie the laces...”. CPO got red-faced and immediately found the next thing in the room to complain about.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2020, 10:22:28 AM
What the freak, I've never paid more than $20 or $25 for a concert t shirt.
Most expensive merch I've seen is like $40 for a hoodie
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
I wear these Dansko clogs at work, they were about $100. Fugly as excrement, but they have been a life saver for my feet since I'm on them a lot. I don't care if they are pink with rainbow glitter. They've lasted me 5 years, still in decent shape.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2020, 10:24:50 AM
I wear these Dansko clogs at work, they were about $100.
My mom also wears Dansko clogs.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 11, 2020, 10:37:08 AM
(https://m.shoes.com/pi/dansk/jb/dansk668125_328835_jb.jpg)
I wear these Dansko clogs at work, they were about $100. Fugly as excrement, but they have been a life saver for my feet since I'm on them a lot. I don't care if they are pink with rainbow glitter. They've lasted me 5 years, still in decent shape.
i hate the look but i can see the appeal, a ton of my coworkers have them, so long as they feel comfortable in them that's all that matters.
i've honestly never worn them but my own opinion has always been that i could find a pair of nike/adidas sneaks that both look good and feel good.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
i hate the look but i can see the appeal, a ton of my coworkers have them, so long as they feel comfortable in them that's all that matters.
i've honestly never worn them but my own opinion has always been that i could find a pair of nike/adidas sneaks that both look good and feel good.
You can. My arches were starting to hurt from wearing flater-soled shoes, and these Danskos were the cure. They have significant arches in them, and my feet hurt worse for the first week, but after that, it all went away.
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 11:44:10 AM
Zippers on boots are really useful, they're much easier than laces when your fingers are frozen.
They're also usually a good indicator of poor quality, especially for leather goods.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29020239/how-jets-made-nfl-draft-history-2000-trades-chicken-wings
Cimini wrote this back in April but I hadn't seen it til now. A nice inside look at our 2000 draft and a bit of "where are they now?"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 12:21:49 PM
For blue collar aesthetic virtue signaling
This is the real reason
Also I don’t re-tie the laces on any of the shoes I own unless they come undone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 12:22:53 PM
They're also usually a good indicator of poor quality, especially for leather goods.
I care more about durability than quality
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 12:53:16 PM
I care more about durability than qualityI see durability and quality as synonyms.
The thickness of the leather, the welting, the soling. It effects the durability.
A company using good quality 1/4inch leather is never going to cut it to add a zipper. It only ruins the integrity of the leather.
I have a pair of black leather boots that are probably as thin as the Timberlands, and my feet get wet and cold, and the leather lost its structure. They also can't be resoled.
The price tag on these are too rich for most people, and I understand that. We all choose to spend our money differently. But DCM saying it is retarded to spend >$300 for footwear just shows he has no clue what he is talking about. It would be like me saying its stupid to buy an Audi when I could get a KIA for half the price.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
I see durability and quality as synonyms.
The thickness of the leather, the welting, the soling. It effects the durability.
A company using good quality 1/4inch leather is never going to cut it to add a zipper. It only ruins the integrity of the leather.
I have a pair of black leather boots that are probably as thin as the Timberlands, and my feet get wet and cold, and the leather lost its structure. They also can't be resoled.
The price tag on these are too rich for most people, and I understand that. We all choose to spend our money differently. But DCM saying it is retarded to spend >$300 for footwear just shows he has no clue what he is talking about. It would be like me saying its stupid to buy an Audi when I could get a KIA for half the price.
To be fair I said sneakers and casual shoes.
I'm not a boots guy, though I do understand that getting something durable with nice quality leather is going to cost more.
I was more referring to casual excrement, like the 350 dollar shoes made in a sweat shop in India by a 4 year old from 5 dollars in material, that they then jack up the price 1500% because they wrote some jerkoffs name on it.
Regardless even among boot wearing Americans, I'd be willing to guess at least 95% of people who wear boots regularly have never spent over 300$ on a pair
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 01:24:44 PM
I was more referring to casual excrement, like the 350 dollar shoes made in a sweat shop in India by a 4 year old from 5 dollars in material, that they then jack up the price 1500% because they wrote some jerkoffs name on it.Design and art is not valued at the cost of labor and parts. Its the value it demands.
Regardless even among boot wearing Americans, I'd be willing to guess at least 95% of people who wear boots regularly have never spent over 300$ on a pairThat doesn't make it wrong
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 01:36:29 PM
Design and art is not valued at the cost of labor and parts. Its the value it demands.
That doesn't make it wrong
Well my original statement was that those prices are unreasonable, especially for normal people.
Sure everyone is entitled to spend their own money on anything they want. They work for it, they should spend it how they want.
That doesn't mean that there aren't countless freaking idiotic ways to spend it.
Would you say a guy is freaking stupid if he spent 300$ on a haircut? What about a pedicure?
We live in a country where the median net worth of someone under the age of 35 is 11,000. Do you think it's a little ridiculous for someone to buy a pair of shoes/sneakers that costs almost 3% of their networth because of "design and art value"?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2020, 01:43:17 PM
Source (https://nypost.com/2020/08/08/jets-offensive-line-getting-creative-to-build-chemistry-in-hurry/)
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 02:29:19 PM
Well my original statement was that those prices are unreasonable, especially for normal people.I think in a capitalistic society demand creates value and sets price.
Sure everyone is entitled to spend their own money on anything they want. They work for it, they should spend it how they want.
That doesn't mean that there aren't countless freaking idiotic ways to spend it.
Would you say a guy is freaking stupid if he spent 300$ on a haircut? What about a pedicure?
We live in a country where the median net worth of someone under the age of 35 is 11,000. Do you think it's a little ridiculous for someone to buy a pair of shoes/sneakers that costs almost 3% of their networth because of "design and art value"?
Would I want to pay $300 for a haircut, no but I guarantee there is a huge difference between that haircut and a barbershop haircut.
If someone places that much value in a haircut and there's enough competition to charge that so be it.
I think the idea of making blanket statement and calling spending money on something stupid because you are not educated enough on the topic (not an insult) and value different things is in and of itself stupid.
I also love the idea that men think they are somehow superior to others because they don't invest in fashion.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 02:42:01 PM
Would I want to pay $300 for a haircut, no but I guarantee there is a huge difference between that haircut and a barbershop haircut.
If someone places that much value in a haircut and there's enough competition to charge that so be it.
For a $300 haircut like that they better throw in a blowjob too
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
I think in a capitalistic society demand creates value and sets price.
Would I want to pay $300 for a haircut, no but I guarantee there is a huge difference between that haircut and a barbershop haircut.
If someone places that much value in a haircut and there's enough competition to charge that so be it.
I think the idea of making blanket statement and calling spending money on something stupid because you are not educated enough on the topic (not an insult) and value different things is in and of itself stupid.
I also love the idea that men think they are somehow superior to others because they don't invest in fashion.
I don't think men are superior because they don't invest in fashion. I think we live in a world where MOST people are lower or lower middle class. Most people have little to no savings, have debt they can't afford, and many live paycheck to paycheck.
So yes I would call anyone who is struggling to get by (which statistically is the majority of people) spending obscene sums of money on luxury items stupid.
If you make 250k a year and you wanna spend 400$ on a pair of Jordans, whatever. But I don't think that's a normal or appropriate thing for regular people.
To be fair im also a (relatively) cheap stingy freak who thinks that everyone should be shoving every penny they can afford into their retirement accounts. I also think people who REGULARLY buy Starbucks, get takeout, gamble, play lotto, smoke and surely countless others are all stupid too.
Of course this is coming from a dude who lives off of oatmeal and eggs, so it's safe to say I'm as out of touch with reality as anyone who thinks 300 dollar shoes and 100$ t-shirts is normal
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
Post by: insanity on August 11, 2020, 03:23:11 PM
I don't think men are superior because they don't invest in fashion. I think we live in a world where MOST people are lower or lower middle class. Most people have little to no savings, have debt they can't afford, and many live paycheck to paycheck.I'm aligned your frugality, when homeless people ask me for money for coffee I laugh in their face. I don't buy myself coffee, and you want me to buy you Starbucks?
So yes I would call anyone who is struggling to get by (which statistically is the majority of people) spending obscene sums of money on luxury items stupid.
If you make 250k a year and you wanna spend 400$ on a pair of Jordans, whatever. But I don't think that's a normal or appropriate thing for regular people.
To be fair im also a (relatively) cheap stingy freak who thinks that everyone should be shoving every penny they can afford into their retirement accounts. I also think people who REGULARLY buy Starbucks, get takeout, gamble, play lotto, smoke and surely countless others are all stupid too.
Of course this is coming from a dude who lives off of oatmeal and eggs, so it's safe to say I'm as out of touch with reality as anyone who thinks 300 dollar shoes and 100$ t-shirts is normal
No one said $300 for shoes is normal, but its definitely not a new concept in fashion. Also freak geigerr
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2020, 05:29:30 PM
I'm aligned your frugality, when homeless people ask me for money for coffee I laugh in their face. I don't buy myself coffee, and you want me to buy you Starbucks?Homeless people ask you for money for coffee?
No one said $300 for shoes is normal, but its definitely not a new concept in fashion. Also freak geigerr
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 05:38:07 PM
Homeless people ask you for money for coffee?Is that not a thing down there?
"I'm sorry, could you spare a dollar so I can buy a cup of coffee?" or approximately that is a pretty common panhandling line here. Never really thought about it before but I've heard it a lot.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2020, 05:42:43 PM
Is that not a thing down there?
"I'm sorry, could you spare a dollar so I can buy a cup of coffee?" or approximately that is a pretty common panhandling line here. Never really thought about it before but I've heard it a lot.
When I was in SC: "lemme hold a dolla!"
Here in Austin: "i'm gonna smash your face in with a piece of broken sidewalk!"
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 05:52:20 PM
When I was in SC: "lemme hold a dolla!"I've only had one aggressively bad experience with a panhandler, and ironically I believe it did start out with the coffee line.
Here in Austin: "i'm gonna smash your face in with a piece of broken sidewalk!"
I was standing outside the office in 2012 or 2013 talking to the company truck driver when the guy walked up to me, said he was a disabled vet and dropped the coffee line. I was about halfway through through saying "sorry I don't have any cash on me" when he screamed "WELL freak YOUUUU" and started ranting about how young people like me only cared about getting laid and then tried to quiz me on the US GDP. I did "come at me bro" arms at him and he left.
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 06:15:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 08:39:29 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 12, 2020, 08:45:16 AM
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 09:34:38 AM
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
I also love the idea that men think they are somehow superior to others because they don't invest in fashion.
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1293399466192576513?s=19
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 15, 2020, 07:52:20 PM
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Post by: d sw0rdz on August 18, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
the homeless stand by the doors and enthusiastically greet you like it should entice patrons to give them something. they've loved the coronavirus because now the 'let me get the door for you!' can actually be used to avoid touching something that others have touched. but before coronavirus, it was needless/annoying as hell
also, i hate the panhandlers who start off their stupid story with something like 'i'm sorry, i'm embarrassed to even be doing this'. no you're not. i've run into the same panhandler on different days peddling the same story who didn't even remember he told me that story before.
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2020, 09:11:09 PM
in the philly area, homeless people and non-homeless grifters like to congregate at gas stations and
ask to do useless/needless excrement for you in exchange for something. you'll see young able bodied adults hovering around you after you've already started pumping gas -- 'Ay man you want me to pump your gas for you?' I'm already pumping it and I don't need you to do it, go find an under the table job, you actually have the ability to work and not harass me for something nobody needs any help with.
the homeless stand by the doors and enthusiastically greet you like it should entice patrons to give them something. they've loved the coronavirus because now the 'let me get the door for you!' can actually be used to avoid touching something that others have touched. but before coronavirus, it was needless/annoying as hell
also, i hate the panhandlers who start off their stupid story with something like 'i'm sorry, i'm embarrassed to even be doing this'. no you're not. i've run into the same panhandler on different days peddling the same story who didn't even remember he told me that story before.
smh
poor you, I mean the excrement you have to put up with....
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 19, 2020, 05:05:45 AM
smh
poor you, I mean the excrement you have to put up with....
you dont know me delavan. i always buy an extra bottle of water or two and hand it to them as i'm heading out. forgive me for being annoyed when people feel the need to try and manipulate me into offering them a small amount of help when i'm going to offer them a small amount of help regardless. like JE i prefer if/when they're just there not really bothering anybody or harassing everybody with how homeless they are
Post by: delavan on August 19, 2020, 10:49:30 AM
you dont know me delavan. i always buy an extra bottle of water or two and hand it to them as i'm heading out. forgive me for being annoyed when people feel the need to try and manipulate me into offering them a small amount of help when i'm going to offer them a small amount of help regardless. like JE i prefer if/when they're just there not really bothering anybody or harassing everybody with how homeless they areYou're right d sw0rdz, I don't know you and I don't doubt for a second your generous nature and your overall generosity of spirit. At the same time you don't know me and didn't know me at the time of this out-of-left-field swipe (https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4248.msg377728.html#msg377728) so my apologies for being a tit-for-tat jerk. Henceforth, peace & regards.
Post by: MBGreen on August 19, 2020, 11:00:40 AM
You're right d sw0rdz, I don't know you and I don't doubt for a second your generous nature and your overall generosity of spirit. At the same time you don't know me and didn't know me at the time of this out-of-left-field swipe (https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4248.msg377728.html#msg377728) so my apologies for being a tit-for-tat jerk. Henceforth, peace & regards.
oh excrement...delevan has the memory of a pachyderm #GrudgeSZN
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 19, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
To be fair im also a (relatively) cheap stingy freak who thinks that everyone should be shoving every penny they can afford into their retirement accounts.
I see how concerned you are about the Johnsons spending their money, so this is not surprising.
Is that not a thing down there?
"I'm sorry, could you spare a dollar so I can buy a cup of coffee?" or approximately that is a pretty common panhandling line here. Never really thought about it before but I've heard it a lot.
The NYC I grew up going to was so bad you made a point not to look at or acknowledge anyone. If they talked to you, you just kept walking. Seems like we're getting back to that, I haven't been over there in a little while.
Post by: Badger on August 19, 2020, 11:27:41 AM
The NYC I grew up going to was so bad you made a point not to look at or acknowledge anyone. If they talked to you, you just kept walking. Seems like we're getting back to that, I haven't been over there in a little while.
That's been the standard response for a lot of people for as long as I can remember. Depends on the situation, if I'm walking I usually keep walking, if I'm a captive audience then I'll have to respond.
Post by: delavan on August 19, 2020, 11:50:11 AM
oh excrement...delevan has the memory of a pachyderm #GrudgeSZN
All good here Winnipegger : )
https://imgur.com/r/gifs/wfADGDV
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 19, 2020, 12:44:04 PM
You're right d sw0rdz, I don't know you and I don't doubt for a second your generous nature and your overall generosity of spirit. At the same time you don't know me and didn't know me at the time of this out-of-left-field swipe (https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4248.msg377728.html#msg377728) so my apologies for being a tit-for-tat jerk. Henceforth, peace & regards.
that was honestly not a swipe, i just thought that your posting style and SG3's would have made for good entertainment, so apologies for any misunderstanding. from my end, no offenses taken or present, and no issues here
addendum: i just saw the response in that thread lol, and no, my post was not meant for you to be the new punching bag of the board
Post by: MexJetinBcn on August 19, 2020, 03:55:20 PM
Okay, so this one is real, hearing the team deeply involved is the NY Jets.....that's not fake news. does it happen? not sure, but they are trying.
Post by: MBGreen on August 19, 2020, 03:55:42 PM
According to Michael Lombardi re Ngakoue...Wrong thread
Okay, so this one is real, hearing the team deeply involved is the NY Jets.....that's not fake news. does it happen? not sure, but they are trying.
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 19, 2020, 04:11:20 PM
Lachlan Edwards joined the Bills.
I look forward to his 28 yard shank from the bills 22 yard line after a Yannick Ngakoue sack in the second quarter of week 1
Post by: MexJetinBcn on August 19, 2020, 04:49:24 PM
Wrong threadYep, forgot the free agency one. My bad. Move it if you must.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 19, 2020, 04:50:27 PM
Lachlan Edwards joined the Bills.
Amazing.
Now we can benefit twice a year from his horrific punts, inability to change field position, and ineptitude at directional kicking. Coffin corner punter, he was not.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 08:53:54 PM
that was honestly not a swipe, i just thought that your posting style and SG3's would have made for good entertainment, so apologies for any misunderstanding. from my end, no offenses taken or present, and no issues here
addendum: i just saw the response in that thread lol, and no, my post was not meant for you to be the new punching bag of the board
PPS: we should have a Delavan-SG3 cage match
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 08:56:48 PM
Wrong thread
Herman Cain ded
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2020, 07:32:06 AM
Herman Cain dedRipsies
Post by: delavan on August 20, 2020, 12:15:17 PM
PPS: we should have a Delavan-SG3 cage match
no need to steel my resolve señor steady habits
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Feud_Maker_lobby_card.jpg/304px-Feud_Maker_lobby_card.jpg)
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2020, 12:48:05 PM
Yep, forgot the free agency one. My bad. Move it if you must.MB has never moved a post in his life
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
MB has never moved a post in his life
that service was taken out of our union contract
Post by: Libero_2 on August 20, 2020, 04:17:16 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 04:18:57 PM
Apparently we are bringing Kevin White for a workout
Just collecting NJ native cast offs.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 20, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
Just collecting NJ native cast offs.
Sorting through the broken and injured trash in hopes of finding lighting in a cracked bottle that isn’t completely shattered
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2020, 04:24:20 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 20, 2020, 05:19:19 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 20, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 20, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 20, 2020, 06:26:19 PM
This has nothing to do with current NYJ talk, but some guy we just hired at work buys and sells Pokemon cards as a side hustle and all I could think about was the time at TGG when someone went off on JohnnyThaJet and he asked them if they had "metapods"
ngl, there was some funny stuff there back in the day
'so i punched him in the throat, you know? the larrox'
Post by: insanity on August 20, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
The jets will beat the 49ers.
The 49ers passing game is overrated and will not perform without sanders and samuel. Playing at home at 1pm the jets will eek out a close one
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2020, 10:53:28 PM
Hot take
The jets will beat the 49ers.
The 49ers passing game is overrated and will not perform without sanders and samuel. Playing at home at 1pm the jets will eek out a close one
Overrated as it is, their passing offense has a much more favorable advantage over our passing defense than ours to theirs
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2020, 06:15:12 AM
Crazy how long ago that team was
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 21, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
Robby Sabo (https://twitter.com/robbysabo/status/1296870704684642312?s=21)
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 21, 2020, 01:23:22 PM
Robby Sabo (https://twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1296868521645834241?s=21)
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 24, 2020, 09:16:28 AM
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Oddsmakers list Jets as front-runners for Yannick Ngakoue
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/oddsmakers-list-jets-front-runners-193230191.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
ngl, there was some funny stuff there back in the day
'so i punched him in the throat, you know? the larrox'
use this thread to post you're war stories (fights)
ok first off a little background... I have extensive military boot camp training, powerlifting 5 times a week; box 2-3 times a week.... basically a human wrecking ball.
ok so me and my neighbor have had beef for a while. goes way back. He got in my face the other day on the staircase saying I stole his mail or some excrement. bumps into me on the way by like he doesn't even know I lift. So I grabbed him by his Larrox ( Throat ) and choked him out while reading his citizens arrest Miranda rights. He ended up pressing aggravated assault charges but I have a feeling justice will prevail once I go through the legal process.
let's hear em boys
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 09:48:50 AM
Overrated as it is, their passing offense has a much more favorable advantage over our passing defense than ours to theirs
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/5thaAuHCJwhLbKwu94/giphy.gif)
Post by: Heismanberg on August 24, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 24, 2020, 09:53:49 AM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/5thaAuHCJwhLbKwu94/giphy.gif)
perfect
Post by: insanity on August 28, 2020, 09:49:45 AM
https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/26/nfl-trades-hakeem-butler-cardinals-jets/
Post by: Johnny English on August 28, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Lachlan Edwards joined the Bills.
Lachlan Edwards left the Bills.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 28, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
No legitimacy to this, but I would be more than okay throwing a conditional pick at hakeem butler
https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/26/nfl-trades-hakeem-butler-cardinals-jets/
i wanted butler really badly that year and could have drafted him but ended up with Jashit Polite
Post by: Libero_2 on August 28, 2020, 01:38:29 PM
i wanted butler really badly that year and could have drafted him but ended up with Jashit Polite
He was the guy I wanted at the top of the 4th so badly. When AZ took him I was glad we dropped back
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 28, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Thankfully it sounds like he handled himself appropriately though and it didn’t turn a bad situation truly ugly
Post by: MBGreen on August 30, 2020, 11:13:02 AM
Too bad the rest of the stadium is a letdown
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 12:03:37 PM
Post by: insanity on August 31, 2020, 03:38:16 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
via NYJ twitter.
Don't know a thing about him
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
We have claimed DB Zane Lewis from the CardinalsFrom Richmond. Prolly Doug.
via NYJ twitter. \
Don't know a thing about him
Post by: insanity on August 31, 2020, 04:22:37 PM
From Richmond. Prolly Doug.Looks like air force. More "leaders"
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 31, 2020, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2020, 04:30:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2020, 04:35:48 PM
Air Force Academy graduate. He comes with a bag of Tostitos.That's part of the contract. If he makes the team.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 01, 2020, 10:55:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2020, 08:58:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 06, 2020, 09:28:51 PM
Uncle Josh is signing to the Eagles' practice squad. I don't know how that works.
Veterans are practice squad eligible this year due to COVID
Post by: delavan on September 07, 2020, 05:50:52 PM
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Joe Douglass is the Perfect Blend for What the New York Jets Have Needed for a Decade
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/ny-jets-joe-douglas-deserves-praise-for-offseason
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 07, 2020, 05:59:09 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/ny-jets-joe-douglas-deserves-praise-for-offseason
this is the state of sports journalism? there are about a million write-up/grammatical errors in this piece. literally made me stop reading
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 07, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 07, 2020, 08:33:22 PM
Not sure where this should go but the starting corners are now Austin and Dessir.Good to see it confirmed, but I thought this was expected. Austin showed real promise, and it seemed like he got a necessary humbling from that benching. Poole is the nickel back, and Maulet is the dime back.
You can actually make a case for the Jets having competent cornerback play entering the season. Last year, that was really difficult to imagine. We aren't making a case for Arthur Maulet as a starting cornerback yet.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 08, 2020, 09:05:49 AM
Not sure where this should go but the starting corners are now Austin and Dessir.
Yikes.
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2020, 09:06:42 AM
Yikes.Somehow feels better than last year's
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 08, 2020, 09:15:00 AM
Yikes.
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
Somehow feels better than last year's
We'll see how it goes. I didn't read too much about Bless getting torched in camp but the WR play likely had a factor in that.
What scares me more is Dessir's lack of play time in camp.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 08, 2020, 10:54:21 AM
Yikes.
Please. we've had Antonio Allen start at corner for a season.
It can't be that bad, plus aren't those automatically better than what we started with a year ago?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 08, 2020, 11:38:56 AM
I'm mostly worried about miscommunications in the secondary than talent.
Neville Hewitt trying to cover down the seam is also worrisome.
Post by: Johnny English on September 08, 2020, 11:44:37 AM
Gregg is gonna call a ton of Tampa 2. You can hide weak corners in that system. They have to be willing to tackle more than anything.
I'm mostly worried about miscommunications in the secondary than talent.
Do you mean "less talented" when you say "weak"? Because I feel like the one thing a corner can't be in Tampa 2 is weak, you can't make it work with a soft player who won't properly contact at the LOS.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 08, 2020, 11:46:19 AM
Do you mean "less talented" when you say "weak"? Because I feel like the one thing a corner can't be in Tampa 2 is weak, you can't make it work with a soft player who won't properly contact at the LOS.
Yes, I mean less talented. Not physically weak.
One of the best traits that Austin showed last season was that he's not afraid to hit. Desir being made of glass is concerning.
Gregg isn't going to tolerate softness out there on Sundays. I think he'd sacrifice some talent for effort and toughness.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 08, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Yikes.
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
Just be happy it's not Trumaine Johnson and Darryl Roberts.
Post by: delavan on September 08, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
this is the state of sports journalism?Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.
there are about a million write-up/grammatical errors in this piece. literally made me stop reading
Post by: bojanglesman on September 08, 2020, 04:32:35 PM
Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.He's a guy
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2020, 05:24:45 PM
Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.
He's a guy(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200908/5098ff22c629c219c1a6a2ecbd2ad9d1.jpg)
Post by: reuben on September 08, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
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Primo poa confirmed.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 08, 2020, 09:26:35 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 08, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200908/5098ff22c629c219c1a6a2ecbd2ad9d1.jpg)Whatever the male equivalent of sploosh is. Which I guess is just sploosh. Only with semen.
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2020, 10:52:37 PM
Whatever the male equivalent of sploosh is. Which I guess is just sploosh. Only with semen.Thank you, Ray
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 08, 2020, 10:55:59 PM
Thank you, RayThank you for getting the reference.
Post by: delavan on September 09, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
He's a guy
ouch! my bad
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Thank you, Ray
Thank you for getting the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RquXLETaciM
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Post by: Italian Seafood on September 09, 2020, 12:16:04 PM
ouch! my bad
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RquXLETaciM
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LOL this will only haunt you here for a decade or so.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2020, 12:32:24 PM
LOL this will only haunt you here for a decade or so.So hot.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200909/8d9d8668867970654851c2acdf095c38.jpg)
Post by: delavan on September 09, 2020, 03:12:52 PM
LOL this will only haunt you here for a decade or so.
LOL, with these savage s.o.b.'s here, a decade's getting off lightly.
fwiw, have a friend (Chris) whose real name is spelled Christian as in 'C' for boys. I saw Kristian and immediately thought Kristan, i.e. some babe with Nordic roots.
@bojanglesman - in JO parlance, 4 honks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 09, 2020, 05:54:21 PM
LOL this will only haunt you here for a decade or so.I mean, in 10 years, all the posters here will be dead or somewhere else after this board collapses.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 09, 2020, 05:55:48 PM
I mean, in 10 years, all the posters here will be dead or somewhere else after this board collapses.
We'll still be here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 10, 2020, 08:03:23 AM
The Jets have also signed WR Jaleel Scott, a man who is definitely not Hakeem Butler, to the PS.
Schefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1304041669260701698?s=19)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2020, 08:04:37 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2020, 08:07:31 AM
Post by: Badger on September 10, 2020, 09:23:22 AM
Something has to be up with Hakeem Butler.Maybe he's a COVID truther
Post by: bojanglesman on September 10, 2020, 09:49:13 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2020, 09:58:40 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2020, 10:15:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 10, 2020, 12:52:16 PM
I imagine he is a candidate to get elevated on game day.
As for Butler, clearly he is broken beyond belief. Not sure how or why, but if he can't even make our PS, then there can't be anything there to work with
Post by: delavan on September 10, 2020, 11:26:57 PM
https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/9/8/21427331/az-arizona-cardinals-hakeem-butler-released-new-york-jets
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2020, 10:40:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 06:43:15 AM
https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/1304813676445270018?s=21Lul.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200913/09b021e0e150a826dbd54e09c928b8ed.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.
https://twitter.com/kristianrdyer/status/1305925348794785792?s=21
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2020, 05:18:28 PM
https://twitter.com/kristianrdyer/status/1305925348794785792?s=21
That guy's hot
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2020, 06:54:07 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 06:54:27 PM
Prone bone Dyer
lol
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 08:23:11 AM
@NYJetsPR
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22s
The #Jets have signed LB Paul Worrilow to the practice squad.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 08:23:43 AM
NYJ Communications
@NYJetsPR
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22s
The #Jets have signed LB Paul Worrilow to the practice squad.
I guess this means Ogletree is being promoted
Post by: reuben on September 16, 2020, 04:55:42 PM
Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
Post by: reuben on September 16, 2020, 04:56:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 05:04:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiD4u_uUwAAKzTJ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
Megatron isn't first ballot for me. Outrageous talent who set some cool records, but his failure to actually help his team even reach the playoffs once and the way he finished his career are black marks.
I feel like I want to see Mankins go in just out of sympathy. He was such a good player, and to somehow play for the Patriots for 9 years in the 21st century and have no ring blows my mind.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 05:25:09 PM
Post by: reuben on September 16, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
I feel like I want to see Mankins go in just out of sympathy. He was such a good player, and to somehow play for the Patriots for 9 years in the 21st century and have no ring blows my mind.
Counterpoint: freak Logan Mankins.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 05:26:38 PM
Counterpoint: freak Logan Mankins.
this
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 05:35:09 PM
Counterpoint: freak Logan Mankins.
Haha that's fair. The only member of that Patriots dynasty who I really actually like is Vince Wilfork.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
Haha that's fair. The only member of that Patriots dynasty who I really actually like is Vince Wilfork.
Counterpoint: freak Vince Wilfork even harder
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2020, 06:46:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiD4u_uUwAAKzTJ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
What are the yellow names indicating? Steven Jackson stands out as not matching the others in yellow.
I love Brick, but I doubt he ever gets in the Hall, same for Nick Mangold. If we had won a ring, I think they would have stood a chance one day of making it.
I don't understand what the hell Heath Miller is doing on this list, I am also irritated by the inclusion of Jerod Mayo and Justin Tuck. I don't think of them as Gold Jacket guys in any way.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 06:48:35 PM
Counterpoint: freak Vince Wilfork even harderNah, Fat Vince is cool.
Post by: delavan on September 16, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
Kimchi Jets
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Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2020, 07:04:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiD4u_uUwAAKzTJ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
Becton has some opinions. (https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1306344031144861697?s=19)
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2020, 07:22:41 PM
Becton has some opinions. (https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1306344031144861697?s=19)
Hopefully in 20 years Becton is on this list...
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
Why is Heath Miller a nominee? GTFOTo troll Jets fans still mad about the 2005 draft
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 09:40:16 PM
To troll Jets fans still mad about the 2005 draft
I want Doug Jolley to fall down a flight of three stairs after reading that.
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2020, 07:35:19 PM
They might actually sit Mahomes. I have no idea who his backup is, but I can guarantee he's good enough to beat the Jets without really breaking sweat. Why would you risk a player like Mahomes against a Gregg Williams defense, especially after last night, when you don't need to?
Post by: reuben on October 02, 2020, 08:47:56 PM
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1312026580265435137
They might actually sit Mahomes. I have no idea who his backup is, but I can guarantee he's good enough to beat the Jets without really breaking sweat. Why would you risk a player like Mahomes against a Gregg Williams defense, especially after last night, when you don't need to?
It's Chad Henne. People you forgot were still alive.
Post by: insanity on October 03, 2020, 07:26:20 AM
Why didn't that show up in the stat sheet
Post by: Heismanberg on October 03, 2020, 07:35:15 AM
Didn't Q sack Rypien on the last drive of the game when he got the personal foul penalty?
Why didn't that show up in the stat sheet
Because of the personal foul
Post by: insanity on October 03, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Because of the personal foulThats stupid.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 03, 2020, 09:16:55 AM
Post by: insanity on October 03, 2020, 09:46:19 AM
No different than an int being wiped away by PI or a big run nullified by holding. The play never officially happened because of the penaltyCompletely different the play happened and then the penalty happened
Post by: Heismanberg on October 03, 2020, 02:09:38 PM
Completely different the play happened and then the penalty happened
Quinnen took Rypien down with his hand inside his helmet and was penalized for a facemask.
Post by: insanity on October 05, 2020, 02:17:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2020, 02:23:30 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 05, 2020, 02:25:39 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2020, 02:28:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 05, 2020, 02:28:53 PM
Imagine getting upset about that stupid derriere video.
i hate everything though
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 05, 2020, 02:31:23 PM
Completely different the play happened and then the penalty happened
But statistically the play never happened because the penalty wiped it out. It is different in the sense that the penalty didn't give him an advantage to cause the result, but the result gets wiped out just the same.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 05, 2020, 03:43:30 PM
@nyjets (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1313211933953269760)
We have signed QB Mike White to the practice squad and released RB Kalen Ballage from the active roster.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1313211595871465479/V9rp3t5b?format=jpg&name=small)
Jets sign QB Mike White to practice squad, release RB Kalen Ballage
newyorkjets.com
4:18 PM · Oct 5, 2020·
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 05, 2020, 03:48:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2020, 03:56:26 PM
Adding Mike White back is a little concerning when it comes to Darnold's shoulder.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 05, 2020, 04:04:22 PM
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 05, 2020, 05:58:24 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JetsHateMe/status/1312883076981288960
Reminds me of an old Robin Williams skit “FuckitAll”
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2020, 06:01:40 PM
It's also a little alarming that we took a quarterback in the 4th round and he isn't even mentioned as an option in any of this.
Aside from Kirk Cousins, who took a while to develop, and Dak Prescott, you don't see too many 4th round or later QBs playing much in the NFL. Turdrod was a sixth rounder and he held a clipboard for several seasons.
(And yes, I know Brady was a sixth rounder. That doesn't happen often either.)
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2020, 08:42:22 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 05, 2020, 09:01:40 PM
(And yes, I know Brady was a sixth rounder. That doesn't happen often either.)
Twice in about 100 years, Montana was a late 3rd rounder and Brady.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2020, 09:06:00 PM
Twice in about 100 years, Montana was a late 3rd rounder and Brady.
Russ was also a third rounder
He’s a Hall of Famer
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 06, 2020, 07:28:18 AM
Russ was also a third rounder
He’s a Hall of Famer
Forgot that. I still think of him as young, he's put a good career together.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2020, 09:00:06 AM
Forgot that. I still think of him as young, he's put a good career together.Crazy to think he's been in the league 8 years already.
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Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
Crazy to think he's been in the league 8 years already.
Crazier to think he would've been a Jet had Terry Bradway still been our GM at the time
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 06, 2020, 12:04:47 PM
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https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1312798451168616448
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2020, 12:27:11 PM
Already posted. Still lame af.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2020, 04:32:25 PM
Quote
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1314284194126876680)
Jordan Jenkins looks like he was shopping in the team store. #Jets
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3:19 PM · Oct 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Someone has to.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
Someone has to.MB must respond.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
MB must respond.
Is that where he got the Camero?
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
Is that where he got the Camero?
Man, i miss that car.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 10, 2020, 04:15:01 PM
Post by: insanity on October 12, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
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The Athletic's Nate Taylor reports the Chiefs fear LG Kelechi Osemele suffered torn tendons in both knees Week 5 against the Raiders.
How do you tear tendons in both fo your knees
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2020, 06:50:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 12, 2020, 07:53:34 PM
How do you tear tendons in both fo your knees
Ask Greg Childs.
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
Just because it's true doesn't make it any less hurtful.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30095589/nfl-power-rankings-week-6-1-32-poll-plus-team-biggest-weakness#NYJ
Just because it's true doesn't make it any less hurtful.
Biggest weakness “Football”
Oh my god that hurts
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 14, 2020, 08:07:07 PM
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2020, 08:22:10 PM
In what will go down as the franchise highlight of the season, Mark Sanchez' tenure on the masked singer has ended after after 4 episodes.https://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez/status/1316545967911563265?s=19
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2020, 09:29:12 PM
In what will go down as the franchise highlight of the season, Mark Sanchez' tenure on the masked singer has ended after after 4 episodes.
Is that what he's been tweeting about?
Post by: Libero_2 on October 15, 2020, 06:50:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
https://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez/status/1316545967911563265?s=19
I knew this show was horrible but god damn...
Post by: reuben on October 15, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
https://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez/status/1316545967911563265?s=19
I've never seen the show but I would definitely tune in if Ken Jeong stays in character as Chang from Community.
Rewatching it right now. I realized I skipped the whole Harmon-less season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 08:59:22 AM
I've never seen the show but I would definitely tune in if Ken Jeong stays in character as Chang from Community.
Rewatching it right now. I realized I skipped the whole Harmon-less season.
I think there was a gas leak that year.
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2020, 09:12:43 AM
I've never seen the show but I would definitely tune in if Ken Jeong stays in character as Chang from Community.Yvette Nicole Brown's real life personality kind of ruined the show for me.
Rewatching it right now. I realized I skipped the whole Harmon-less season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 09:30:55 AM
Yvette Nicole Brown's real life personality kind of ruined the show for me.?
She seems like a nice person in every interview I’ve seen with her.
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2020, 09:57:29 AM
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Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC
How bad has the #Jets front office been the last few years? About 14% of their cash spent this year is spent on players who have been cut. The next closest team is at 6.8%. The NFL average is 2%.
I don't entirely accept this premise as proof of how bad the front office has been. It has been bad and has made some really appalling moves, but there's also an element of the coaching staff's failure to capitalise on the roster they have been given and the assorted GMs can't be blamed for coaches they didn't hire.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 10:01:05 AM
I don't entirely accept this premise as proof of how bad the front office has been. It has been bad and has made some really appalling moves, but there's also an element of the coaching staff's failure to capitalise on the roster they have been given and the assorted GMs can't be blamed for coaches they didn't hire.
listen, the way adam gase deployed our players including lev bell that's led to our 0-5 season is irrelevant. don't believe the fake news media hype. designed runs to josh adams and trevon wesco in very important game situations are awesome, sneaky, genius, and reasonable, and the players just need to execute.
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
?She's one of the rabid anti Sanders celebs
She seems like a nice person in every interview I’ve seen with her.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 10:18:24 AM
She's one of the rabid anti Sanders celebs
I now can understand why you do not like her.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 10:21:17 AM
Yvette Nicole Brown's real life personality kind of ruined the show for me.
i'd hit it
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2020, 11:43:22 AM
The sooner every single one of the management organisation is gone the sooner this team has a chance of moving on.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 18, 2020, 11:46:17 AM
According to this (https://www.nfl.com/news/sudden-opportunity-to-start-positions-cowboys-andy-dalton-for-big-payday) the Jets offered Andy Dalton a contract in the offseason, which doesn't say much for Douglas and Gase's belief in Darnold or their attempts to try and help him improve.You guys are insane with some of your takes now.
The sooner every single one of the management organisation is gone the sooner this team has a chance of moving on.
The Jets try to sign Andy Dalton as a backup, and your take is that that means the Jets think Darnold sucks?
Does that logic work for Joe Flacco as well, or no?
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 11:50:05 AM
You guys are insane with some of your takes now.I'm with DS on this one....that was a stupid take.
The Jets try to sign Andy Dalton as a backup, and your take is that that means the Jets think Darnold sucks?
Does that logic work for Joe Flacco as well, or no?
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
You guys are insane with some of your takes now.
The Jets try to sign Andy Dalton as a backup, and your take is that that means the Jets think Darnold sucks?
Does that logic work for Joe Flacco as well, or no?
I don't think that Flacco is a legitimate starter in the NFL any more, I loved his signing because it felt like the right kind of veteran to help Sam rather than replace him. Flacco has always been a calm presence in the pocket and a good judge of when to go deep, I thought we were signing him for the right reasons.
Dalton is a different proposition: he's younger and better than Flacco, and still good enough to be a starter for a lot of teams in the league. The Jets signing him would have been a completely different proposition. If we only signed Flacco because Dalton wasn't interested, it puts a very different complexion on things for me.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
I don't think that Flacco is a legitimate starter in the NFL any more, I loved his signing because it felt like the right kind of veteran to help Sam rather than replace him. Flacco has always been a calm presence in the pocket and a good judge of when to go deep, I thought we were signing him for the right reasons.Flacco and Dalton are in the same tier imo
Dalton is a different proposition: he's younger and better than Flacco, and still good enough to be a starter for a lot of teams in the league. The Jets signing him would have been a completely different proposition. If we only signed Flacco because Dalton wasn't interested, it puts a very different complexion on things for me.
And I think you're overreacting to this
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
Flacco and Dalton are in the same tier imo
And I think you're overreacting to this
I don't think so at all. Flacco is several years older and wasn't very good in Denver. Dalton is still a legit starter. They're completely different propositions.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
I don't think so at all. Flacco is several years older and wasn't very good in Denver. Dalton is still a legit starter. They're completely different propositions.Dalton stinks...
I'm not a fan of Flacco either...but at least he has a Super Bowl.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 18, 2020, 12:16:37 PM
Considering Darnold has been unable to play 16 games in a season, I don't mind going after a legitimate backup.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2020, 12:29:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 18, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
I love these debates where the discussion is which turd is more shinyPretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Pretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
What else have we had to argue about?
Post by: reuben on October 18, 2020, 12:36:10 PM
Pretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
Have been and continue to be in the "worse than worst" camp, all you mere "worst" chodes can go suck one.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 12:37:42 PM
What else have we had to argue about?Flying Alligator vs Flying Shark was fun back on tgg
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 01:54:11 PM
Pretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
this is actually a good/funny take on the state of things right now
but trust me, he actually IS worse than that
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 18, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2020, 07:27:04 PM
Apparently Steve McLendon just got traded. Did not feel that this warranted it's own thread.
It does.
Post by: insanity on November 02, 2020, 09:13:47 AM
Not only do we currently have the toughest SOS in the league for games played, but also in projected 16 game schedule.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 02, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
I found something we are good at.
Not only do we currently have the toughest SOS in the league for games played, but also in projected 16 game schedule.
This is why we will lose any tiebreaker for the #1 overall pick. Our SOS is the toughest in football
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2020, 11:33:00 AM
This is why we will lose any tiebreaker for the #1 overall pick. Our SOS is the toughest in football
One more excuse for the Adam Gase "See? It's not my fault Mr. Johnson!" pile.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 02, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
One more excuse for the Adam Gase "See? It's not my fault Mr. Johnson!" pile.
Thats an excuse for not being good. but it's not an excuse for being this freaking bad
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2020, 06:16:01 AM
Post by: insanity on November 03, 2020, 06:22:20 AM
25% off in the Jets shop online until 4 PM EST
(https://i.giphy.com/media/QZCki5oVuMaRDHCtcX/giphy.webp)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2020, 06:51:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2020, 07:24:14 AM
#Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff kept it real on the state of the Jets.
"I'd bring the exterminator in to that building. It's a mess. It's like a joke. It's been a joke."
Post by: Libero_2 on November 03, 2020, 07:41:37 AM
https://twitter.com/jakebrownradio/status/1323392944943058944?s=21
#Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff kept it real on the state of the Jets.
"I'd bring the exterminator in to that building. It's a mess. It's like a joke. It's been a joke."
I don't know that there is an argument to made against that. I personally think the only safe person in the building on black Monday should be Douglas
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2020, 07:45:42 AM
25% off in the Jets shop online until 4 PM EST
*crickets*
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2020, 07:55:06 AM
25% off in the Jets shop online until 4 PM EST
Pretty sure that's every day. They send me daily emails about their discounts.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2020, 08:07:50 AM
Pretty sure that's every day. They send me daily emails about their discounts.I never get those. I saw an IG ad.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 03, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
Quote
I'd bring the exterminator in to that building. It's a mess. It's like a joke. It's been a joke.
- Mike Westhoff
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
Pretty sure that's every day. They send me daily emails about their discounts.
I get those every day to two different emails.
This weekend my daughter was in a Halloween softball tournament where the teams play in costumes; our team decided to dress as a football team. My daughter played in a Mo Lewis white #57 jersey, ironically one of her good friends was wearing a Brady Patriots #12. A Bledsoe #11 would have been better, I guess.
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2020, 07:05:24 AM
Post by: delavan on November 05, 2020, 11:50:59 PM
#getalife
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 06, 2020, 12:11:42 AM
I love the Jets. If 2021 means a dynamic replacement for Gase, Trevor Lawrence, exciting (healthy & available) draft picks, FA help, an in-shape, amped Mosley and a Covid-free landscape training camp-wise and schedule-wise, I can wait out 2020. What else is there? I'm more looking forward to seeing what 2021 draft prospects emerge when the Pac-12 starts play this weekend.
#getalife
i kinda dont want to see mosley in a jet uniform ever again
Post by: bojanglesman on November 06, 2020, 07:22:02 AM
i kinda dont want to see mosley in a jet uniform ever againWe've hardly ever seen it to begin with.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 07:42:46 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2020, 07:48:43 AM
He's been out of the game for a season due to injury and another due to opting out for COVID. The last time we brought in a player who sat out a year it didn't really work out too well.
If he has no gas left in the tank, then you cut him. I'm fine with that too.
I'm just saying the investment was made, and if he's still got the juice let him play.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 08:00:51 AM
If he has no gas left in the tank, then you cut him. I'm fine with that too.
I'm just saying the investment was made, and if he's still got the juice let him play.
The problem is we can't really cut him without taking a major cap hit.
I'm just saying prepare for the worst.
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2020, 08:03:46 AM
The problem is we can't really cut him without taking a major cap hit.
I'm just saying prepare for the worst.
the "worst" is happening right now.
Post by: insanity on November 06, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
The problem is we can't really cut him without taking a major cap hit.His salary next year isn't very high because it was spread across two year.
I'm just saying prepare for the worst.
With that said, there is no way we cut him. If he doesn't want to play here we can definitely get something for him in a trade.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
His salary next year isn't very high because it was spread across two year.
With that said, there is no way we cut him. If he doesn't want to play here we can definitely get something for him in a trade.
Source for the salary proration? I thought he was just getting his $100k this year and his contract was shifting a season to the right.
Post by: Jumbo on November 06, 2020, 10:06:46 AM
i kinda dont want to see mosley in a jet uniform ever again
CJ averages a PD per game and a pick six every other game as a linebacker and you want to get rid of him? No wonder this team hemorrhages so much talent
Post by: Libero_2 on November 06, 2020, 10:39:51 AM
Source for the salary proration? I thought he was just getting his $100k this year and his contract was shifting a season to the right.
This came out when he opted out, but he had a roster Bonus in March of about $10 million. So his actual salary was like $6 million this year. Which got cut to whatever it was due to Opting opt. Then his contract gets pushed back to next year. So for this years cap he got the roster bonus in March of $10 million, but his base salary essentially gets pushed to next year (aside from the opt-out payment of a few hundred K) then what was his 2021 salary is deferred to 2022 pushing the rest of his contract back a year.
So if memory serves his cap hit next year is like $5.85 million. However if we cut him or trade him the remaining guaranteed money accelerates onto the 2021 cap and we take like a $22 million dollar hit or something like that. Anyways he will now be a Jet through the 2022 season barring something totally absurd. Because he was originally locked in with us until after 2021 (3 years originally) and now his 3rd year ends after 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
This came out when he opted out, but he had a roster Bonus in March of about $10 million. So his actual salary was like $6 million this year. Which got cut to whatever it was due to Opting opt. Then his contract gets pushed back to next year. So for this years cap he got the roster bonus in March of $10 million, but his base salary essentially gets pushed to next year (aside from the opt-out payment of a few hundred K) then what was his 2021 salary is deferred to 2022 pushing the rest of his contract back a year.
So if memory serves his cap hit next year is like $5.85 million. However if we cut him or trade him the remaining guaranteed money accelerates onto the 2021 cap and we take like a $22 million dollar hit or something like that. Anyways he will now be a Jet through the 2022 season barring something totally absurd
Ah, ok. I was way off base on my understanding of it. I thought the roster bonus was deferred as well. Thanks!
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2020, 10:45:45 AM
I don't have ill will towards him holding out this season. I would have preferred him playing, but given the COVID issues around the NFL and given how freaking bad we are, I don't blame him. I'm sure the money made his decision easier..
Post by: Johnny English on November 06, 2020, 10:51:39 AM
I wouldn't expect Mosley to be what he once was, and it's possible he comes back two steps slower. But he was an elite MLB two years ago, and I hope he comes back and plays like it here.
I don't have ill will towards him holding out this season. I would have preferred him playing, but given the COVID issues around the NFL and given how freaking bad we are, I don't blame him. I'm sure the money made his decision easier..
He's still only 28 and with two years of little or no contact he should be in great condition. I would have pretty high hopes of him coming back somewhere near his best.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2020, 11:05:53 AM
I had no problem with him sitting out this season, I just didn't like signing him right after signing Williamson. Moot point now with Williamson's contract on the Steelers' hands, but I'm weary of what we will actually get out of someone who has been out of the game for two seasons.
Hopefully a couple more seasons of elite MLB play until he hits his 30s.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
He's still only 28 and with two years of little or no contact he should be in great condition. I would have pretty high hopes of him coming back somewhere near his best.I do think there's a better chance of him returning to elite play than there was with Bell. Easy to say in retrospect, but I also think that every tiny athletic edge matters a lot more at running back than it does at MLB. Mosley is a very smart player, though obviously he needs to retain some of his athleticism.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2020, 04:08:39 PM
We should probably just keep him because we have a fuckton of cap space (per dcm) to spend on other position groups and who else are we going to get in FA/Draft that’s better at MLB?
It's probably smart to draft his replacement in the mid-to-late rounds this year. Our linebacking corps is awful with Mosley.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 06, 2020, 07:30:31 PM
/Season
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 07:34:36 PM
Jets release Quincy Wilson.
/Season
Hope he njoyed his much better opportunity here.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 06, 2020, 09:10:07 PM
Post by: IATA on November 07, 2020, 09:45:08 AM
so weve been spying on our players since we moved but apparently the players knew but didnt know and the nfl said its ok.
so like, were prob not gonna sign any big FAs for awhile.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 07, 2020, 09:47:37 AM
Thank god we traded a 6th in the middle of the draft for him
You have to take a chance sometimes when you need a CB. A 6th is no big deal.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 07, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-hidden-cameras-locker-room-20201107-7yypllxtwjcn5oxacjsqxlsgoe-story.html
so weve been spying on our players since we moved but apparently the players knew but didnt know and the nfl said its ok.
so like, were prob not gonna sign any big FAs for awhile.
I just assume Manish is making something about it up
Post by: Johnny English on November 08, 2020, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 08, 2020, 09:52:06 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30267154/everybody-loves-frank-gore-one-bright-spot-dark-jets-season
i only read the first couple of paragraphs and will read the rest in a bit. i know the point i saw there was that gore was trying to mentor perine in showing him how to approach game study when they approached gase RE blitz pickups, but it made me wonder whether the coaching staff has ever taken the initiative upon themselves to try to help sam improve his blitz recognition and blitz pickup, as it's been an obvious problem.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2020, 03:33:43 PM
@NYJetsPR
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22m
The #Jets have released QB Mike White.
season's over
Post by: Jumbo on November 10, 2020, 04:36:43 PM
Mangold discussing Tebow refusing to call a play called "Y Oh excrement Screen"
Post by: Libero_2 on November 10, 2020, 06:32:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Endless__Hustle/status/1325911537714913280
Mangold discussing Tebow refusing to call a play called "Y Oh excrement Screen"
Mangold would be the perfect guy to grab a beer with
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 10, 2020, 08:29:47 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2020, 02:20:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 17, 2020, 10:30:54 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1328692730982174724?s=21
Dude is a QAnon freak.
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1330921420424142848?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
Interview with Coles/Chrebet
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1330921420424142848?s=19
I love that story.
Post by: Jumbo on November 24, 2020, 03:22:58 PM
Coincidence?
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 24, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Quote
New York Jets
@nyjets
We’ve signed QB Mike White to the practice squad.
5:32 PM · Nov 24, 2020
Yeah boy.
Post by: reuben on December 22, 2020, 07:36:48 PM
Quote
Jets placed LB Harvey Langi on injured reserve with a neck injury, ending his season.
The 2017 UDFA has been an every-down player over the past month. 2020 is the first time Langi has seen extensive playing time. He has been a liability for one of the league's worst defenses. Already 28, a neck issue bodes poorly for Langi's NFL future.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2020, 07:38:55 PM
Heismanberg is pouring one out for his fallen child.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2020, 07:47:17 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 22, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
Hopefully it’s career ending
If he never gets another job it is isn’t it?
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
If he never gets another job it is isn’t it?
He's starting in the NFL and he's 28. He'll get on someone's roster.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
He's starting in the NFL and he's 28. He'll get on someone's roster.
He is a fifth string LB.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
He is a fifth string LB.I'm not claiming he's good, I'm saying he'll get a job.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2020, 10:10:21 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2020, 09:27:53 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2020, 09:38:00 AM
Marcus Maye voted Team MVP.
We all know the real team MVP will be the one who fires Gase.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2020, 09:55:08 AM
We all know the real team MVP will be the one who fires Gase.It would be funny if the Jets wait a few days after Black Monday to fire him just to freak with the fans.
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2020, 10:00:20 AM
It would be funny if the Jets wait a few days after Black Monday to fire him just to freak with the fans.
I'm hoping he gets canned after Cle smokes us
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
It would be funny if the Jets wait a few days after Black Monday to fire him just to freak with the fans.Weird definition of funny.
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 06:23:32 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2020, 08:16:18 PM
Snacks retired.
With one week to go in the regular season with him on a playoff contender? That’s unexpected
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2020, 08:20:07 PM
Snacks retired.He didn't retire, he was waived.
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
He didn't retire, he was waived.You can't waive me, I retire!
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 08:25:09 PM
He didn't retire, he was waived.
And then Pete Carroll said that Snacks had told him he's done playing.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2020, 08:30:58 PM
And then Pete Carroll said that Snacks had told him he's done playing...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201229/706fdc8b3fee929e927049b86fd5f08c.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 08:32:56 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2020, 08:34:52 PM
5-2 defense.
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
Let's sign Snacks and not let up another freaking yard of rushing next week.
5-2 defense.
I would love him back, but it's not really a position we need to spend resources on. Q and Snacks next to each other though? No fucker's running on that defense.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2020, 08:36:42 PM
I would love him back, but it's not really a position we need to spend resources on. Q and Snacks next to each other though? No fucker's running on that defense.1 game check.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
Let's sign Snacks and not let up another freaking yard of rushing next week.
5-2 defense.
Patriots just want to pass tonight and the only time they move is when Cam takes off running.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 28, 2020, 08:41:34 PM
Post by: reuben on December 30, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 03:07:21 PM
So I wandered over to TGG today to see how they are celebrating Gases firing and I stumbled onto this.
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
I was along for the ride until I got to the fifth pick, then I had to read it a few times to figure out that he did actually mean what I first read it as.
Edit: LOL, now I have read it all. Please don't ever post a link to that site on here ever again. Not because I'm offended by the site, but because I'm concerned that even a link could make the stupid leak over here and we already have enough.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2021, 03:15:30 PM
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 04:05:46 PM
I was along for the ride until I got to the fifth pick, then I had to read it a few times to figure out that he did actually mean what I first read it as.
I literally LOLd.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
I was along for the ride until I got to the fifth pick, then I had to read it a few times to figure out that he did actually mean what I first read it as.
Edit: LOL, now I have read it all. Please don't ever post a link to that site on here ever again. Not because I'm offended by the site, but because I'm concerned that even a link could make the stupid leak over here and we already have enough.
He put a scary amount of effort into that. Thank you for confirming why I can never return to that place
Post by: Jumbo on January 04, 2021, 04:12:49 PM
So I wandered over to TGG today to see how they are celebrating Gases firing and I stumbled onto this.
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
So in sum, best case scenario
Jets acquire:
#5 (WR JaMarr Chase)
#8 (EDGE Gregory Rousseau)
#12 (G Wyatt Davis)
#15
#20
#28
2nd round (36) from ATL
2nd round (40) from CAR
2nd round (44) from SF
4th round from NE
ATL 2022 2nd
CAR 2022 2nd
CIN 2022 3rd
SF 2022 3rd
Jets give up:
#2
LB CJ Mosley
QB Sam Darnold
Moved to Jets and out:
QB Matt Ryan (to SF for #12 + picks)
QB Jimmy Garoppolo (to NE for #15)
QB Teddy Bridgewater (to CHI for #20)
idk seems pretty realistic to me
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 04:20:30 PM
So in sum, best case scenarioNow I regret not reading past the Mosley trade.
Jets acquire:
#5 (WR JaMarr Chase)
#8 (EDGE Gregory Rousseau)
#12 (G Wyatt Davis)
#15
#20
#28
2nd round (36) from ATL
2nd round (40) from CAR
2nd round (44) from SF
4th round from NE
ATL 2022 2nd
CAR 2022 2nd
CIN 2022 3rd
SF 2022 3rd
Jets give up:
#2
LB CJ Mosley
QB Sam Darnold
Moved to Jets and out:
QB Matt Ryan (to SF for #12 + picks)
QB Jimmy Garoppolo (to NE for #15)
QB Teddy Bridgewater (to CHI for #20)
idk seems pretty realistic to me
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 04:25:18 PM
Now I regret not reading past the Mosley trade.
Oh excrement you missed all the fun with the QBs. We were trading them in and out like it was a Hackney market stall.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 04:26:08 PM
Oh excrement you missed all the fun with the QBs. We were trading them in and out like it was a Hackney market stall.Trading Garoppolo back to NE is just *chef's kiss*
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2021, 04:26:15 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2021, 04:41:14 PM
Trading Garoppolo back to NE is just *chef's kiss*
“We all know why this trade makes sense.”
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2021, 09:37:59 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 04, 2021, 10:19:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 10:49:58 PM
Whose original accounts aren't banned?
I never got banned. I'm too nice and polite to get banned from places.
Post by: insanity on January 04, 2021, 10:56:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2021, 08:41:47 AM
@BrianCoz
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1m
Frank Gore said he has not made a decision on his future yet. Said he will take some down time before making that decision on 2021. #nyj
you're done.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2021, 08:45:52 AM
Brian CostelloHe will regain a year of college eligibility and follow Gase to Alabama.
@BrianCoz
·
1m
Frank Gore said he has not made a decision on his future yet. Said he will take some down time before making that decision on 2021. #nyj
you're done.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 05, 2021, 08:54:57 AM
Whose original accounts aren't banned?
Amazingly enough I can still post over there.
They scrubbed all the reasons to go back. The massive Green Hornet threads, a feel for the city. It's all gone.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2021, 08:56:15 AM
Whose original accounts aren't banned?
For some reason, they banned my MBGreen account and the 20 or so recruiting accounts i made. Not sure why.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 07, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2021, 08:53:05 PM
It is funny how after ignoring One Jets Drive since early in the year because this team disgusted me, I am excited to watch the episode right after Gase is fired.I got the email reminder and was like "why the freak would I watch this?"
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 09, 2021, 07:26:39 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
Good...GTFO
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2021, 04:56:30 PM
Never heard of himHe was our OL coach for the last 2 seasons
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
He was our OL coach for the last 2 seasons
Impossible, we had no offensive line in that time frame.
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2021, 05:00:40 PM
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2021, 05:08:18 PM
He was our OL coach for the last 2 seasonsExactly
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 09, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
I'm banned there, but I have an alt over there i very rarely post on. I got champ mad by asking about his age, so it was worthwhile.
He's still there? How miserable is he now?
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2021, 01:10:00 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/2020-all-pro-team-donald-kelce-highlight-roster
Ctrl+F "jets": 0/0
Post by: MBGreen on January 22, 2021, 01:34:19 PM
@ProFootballTalk
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54s
Report: Cardinals hiring Shawn Jefferson as receivers coach
Post by: Coach K on January 22, 2021, 06:29:42 PM
So I wandered over to TGG today to see how they are celebrating Gases firing and I stumbled onto this.I gave up by the time I read the CJ Mosely trade
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
Jesus christ
Imagine spending that time formulating that and thinking you crushed it as you hit post
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2021, 07:07:08 PM
I gave up by the time I read the CJ Mosely tradeantoniobanderaslaptop.gif
Jesus christ
Imagine spending that time formulating that and thinking you crushed it as you hit post
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 22, 2021, 11:17:43 PM
antoniobanderaslaptop.gif
the gifs of him from whatever movie that was will always be my favorite gifs personally. their heyday was ~2013-14 and i dont see them oft used anymore
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 23, 2021, 03:22:16 PM
Bleacher Report
@BleacherReport
Deshaun Watson’s top two choices for trade destinations, per
@ArmandoSalguero
* Jets
* Dolphins
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 23, 2021, 03:24:29 PM
Bleacher Report
@BleacherReport
Deshaun Watson’s top two choices for trade destinations, per
@ArmandoSalguero
* Jets
* Dolphins
Leave it in the lolTexans thread with the rest of the Watson discussion.
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
Lol
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2021, 11:08:56 AM
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1354810359308144645?s=19
Lol
Bold thing to say when he's currently receiving a paycheck from a divisional rival.
Any consideration of him coming back would have to start with an undertaking to no longer need to have a DT next to him at all times in order to prevent him from assaulting random women.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 29, 2021, 11:21:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1354810359308144645?s=19
Lol
“Maybe I can get playing time with the team with all of the injuries!”
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2021, 10:56:50 AM
"Jets emailed me about next season. They are changing parking set up from green, yellow and orange to platinum and gold. Green is now platinum and orange and yellow are both gold."
Lot D, formerly yellow, now gold
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 01, 2021, 11:39:00 AM
Scoop from dad:
"Jets emailed me about next season. They are changing parking set up from green, yellow and orange to platinum and gold. Green is now platinum and orange and yellow are both gold."
Lot D, formerly yellow, now gold
A ripoff by any other name is still a ripoff.
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2021, 11:52:22 AM
A ripoff by any other name is still a ripoff.Yeah, I doubt the parking price is going down.
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 01, 2021, 12:07:50 PM
Yeah, I doubt the parking price is going down.
They still have to pay Bell and Moseley.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 08, 2021, 11:37:19 AM
UUUUUUUUCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNN
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2021, 01:54:37 PM
Foley Fatukasi appearance on Colbert last night.
UUUUUUUUCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNN
https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1358647194153287685?s=20
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 08, 2021, 02:51:16 PM
https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1358647194153287685?s=20
Just had to go with Grizzly Man.
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2021, 03:41:19 PM
https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1358647194153287685?s=20
Those were all really good, except the Tarantino one.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 15, 2021, 01:28:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 15, 2021, 01:44:13 PM
Would carry Crowder at his cap number unless they're moving on from Sam.
I'd keep him unless we can replace him. Even if we draft a strong slot prospect like Rondale Moore or Elijah/Rondale Moore, Crowder is still the best option on the roster...until he isn't.
The Jets don't need to make cuts to clear up space. Pay him for a year and let him help whoever comes in at QB. He's reliable and seems like a good locker room guy.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2021, 02:43:14 PM
I'd keep him unless we can replace him. Even if we draft a strong slot prospect like Rondale Moore or Elijah/Rondale Moore, Crowder is still the best option on the roster...until he isn't.I'd try to extend him to spread out his cap hit a little. He's worth keeping for a few years. What he brings would help any QB here. If we cut him, he won't get what he's getting here this year, so he has motivation to extend things unless he just wants out.
The Jets don't need to make cuts to clear up space. Pay him for a year and let him help whoever comes in at QB. He's reliable and seems like a good locker room guy.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 15, 2021, 03:05:06 PM
I'd try to extend him to spread out his cap hit a little. He's worth keeping for a few years. What he brings would help any QB here.
He's not a great fit in the scheme. It'd be smart to keep him for one more season and then have a replacement (slot prospect) take that spot over fully in 2022.
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2021, 09:07:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2021, 09:12:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1362959660949594113?s=19
This belongs in lolBrowns. I would also accept lolPats.
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2021, 08:35:30 AM
This is a good listen
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2021, 02:42:22 PM
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2021, 09:22:01 PM
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Post by: reuben on March 29, 2021, 09:45:40 PM
Tanny pays to promote his tweets
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I wonder why he capped it at ten years instead of twelve, and top 3 instead of top 5.
Post by: insanity on March 29, 2021, 10:00:43 PM
Tanny pays to promote his tweetsGot it. Trading for qbs infect them with bad genes
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Post by: reuben on March 29, 2021, 11:17:42 PM
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145)
I bought the Lil Sweet with a Whole Lotta Heat. Will review in a week or so.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 30, 2021, 06:52:23 AM
Sewell at 2, confirmed.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145)
I bought the Lil Sweet with a Whole Lotta Heat. Will review in a week or so.
$25 for a BBQ sauce? That shot better be mother freaking delicious
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2021, 06:54:20 AM
$25 for a BBQ sauce? That shot better be mother freaking deliciousIt'll taste like his sister
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2021, 06:57:54 AM
It'll taste like his sister(https://i.gifer.com/Rz2.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2021, 10:23:27 AM
It'll taste like his sister
Sir, this is an Arby’s
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2021, 09:09:06 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2021, 09:18:54 AM
https://twitter.com/ShaunDonovanNYC/status/1377601547669016580?s=19
Am I being punked
Post by: insanity on April 01, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
Am I being punkedCheck the date
Post by: Johnny English on April 01, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
Am I being punked
You think?
Quote
Bring the Jets to NYC: Within 2 years of being elected, the city will begin construction on a multi-purpose Rich Kotite Stadium on Governors Island, adjacent to Andrew Yang Hotel & Casino which will be built simultaneously.
Post by: Johnny English on April 01, 2021, 10:04:15 AM
https://shaunfornyc.com/jets/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2021, 09:47:33 PM
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 03:31:56 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1377695538720739329?s=20He was impersonating a WR.
Post by: reuben on April 04, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
Sewell at 2, confirmed.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145)
I bought the Lil Sweet with a Whole Lotta Heat. Will review in a week or so.
Very sweet, strong maple syrup flavor. Not very spicy; the heat is sriracha, which I'm not really a fan of. 6/10
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 07:02:50 PM
Very sweet, strong maple syrup flavor. Not very spicy; the heat is sriracha, which I'm not really a fan of. 6/10On the JFIF scale, that's a highly fuckable sauce.
Post by: reuben on April 04, 2021, 07:07:40 PM
On the JFIF scale, that's a highly fuckable sauce.
It fucks quite nicely, that maple syrup gives it a good viscosity.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2021, 04:03:54 PM
Creepy
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2021, 04:10:43 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1379176975537991682?s=19
Creepy
Hopefully we're not mirroring Miami's success with their top 5 QB.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2021, 04:20:27 PM
Hopefully we're not mirroring Miami's success with their top 5 QB.Lucky for us, we already did our tour of duty with Chan Gailey as our OC.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1379176975537991682?s=19AFC East incest.
Creepy
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2021, 11:29:00 AM
4 honks on the Macho Man impression
Post by: IATA on April 09, 2021, 11:35:11 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 09, 2021, 01:07:11 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2021, 03:40:29 PM
What in the freak did I just watchmj2sexay on draft night
Post by: delavan on April 10, 2021, 11:12:43 AM
Post by: insanity on April 10, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
FYI: today on NFL Network is Jets vs. Raiders from 12:30 - 3:30 p.m. EDT. Turn it off at 3:29.I had to rack my brain for a minute as to why we would turn it off with 1 minute left. Thanks for the reminder as to how Greg Williams is our savior
Post by: mj2sexay on April 11, 2021, 04:39:28 AM
mj2sexay on draft night
Or certain halloweens. You're not far off.
Maybe Kyle Brandt should've been the Real World alumni to go into wrestling and not Miz.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 16, 2021, 03:52:45 PM
Post by: reuben on April 16, 2021, 04:49:31 PM
https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/1383161276151562240/photo/1
Good.
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2021, 01:33:27 PM
Post by: IATA on April 24, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2021, 10:14:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/YHlMP0e.jpg)Ok, lolBright gets a point for that one.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 07:28:14 AM
how freaking sad is this?!
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2021, 07:42:11 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/jets-are-the-worldwide-leader-in-producing-espn-analysts/Hardly a shock that a team in NY produces more players with media connections than Jacksonville or Nashville or Phoenix.
how freaking sad is this?!
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 07:43:22 AM
Hardly a shock that a team in NY produces more players with media connections than Jacksonville or Nashville or Phoenix.
I don't see any Giants on that espn roster.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 07:59:09 AM
Hardly a shock that a team in NY produces more players with media connections than Jacksonville or Nashville or Phoenix.
this was Schefter throwing his 2 cents in response to that Marchand tweet. Which irritated me also.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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Zach Wilson could be seeing his future right here....
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2021, 08:01:18 AM
I don't see any Giants on that espn roster.
They might not be on ESPN, but plenty of Giants have gone on to broadcasting careers - Strahan, Tiki Barber, Phil Simms are all obvious examples.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 08:06:50 AM
They might not be on ESPN, but plenty of Giants have gone on to broadcasting careers - Strahan, Tiki Barber, Phil Simms are all obvious examples.
that list in the NYPost was well over 10. In the Jets case, the majority of them couldn't cut the mustard in the league and retired in shame to a career in broadcasting.
Rex, Sanchez, Mangini, McElroy, Herm Edwards, Tanny.
I still think Mangini deserves another shot at being a HC.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2021, 08:59:59 AM
that list in the NYPost was well over 10. In the Jets case, the majority of them couldn't cut the mustard in the league and retired in shame to a career in broadcasting.
Rex, Sanchez, Mangini, McElroy, Herm Edwards, Tanny.
I still think Mangini deserves another shot at being a HC.
Three of those guys were keys to one of the most successful periods in recent team history, and reached a level most players, coaches and GMs never hit. Another one was an architect of that period, and another one has over two decades of experience in the NFL as a player and head coach. "Couldn't cut the mustard in the league" isn't really true at all of any of them except McElroy.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 09:05:12 AM
Three of those guys were keys to one of the most successful periods in recent team history, and reached a level most players, coaches and GMs never hit. Another one was an architect of that period, and another one has over two decades of experience in the NFL as a player and head coach. "Couldn't cut the mustard in the league" isn't really true at all of any of them except McElroy.
They all fizzled out before they should have. My point stands.
Rex being the biggest fart of them all.
Post by: insanity on April 28, 2021, 09:15:21 AM
They all fizzled out before they should have. My point stands.#FireSalehHireRex
Rex being the biggest fart of them all.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
#FireSalehHireRex
that's........insanity.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/30db77cc0a6d62afe10866197dc85d24/tenor.gif)
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2021, 01:03:34 PM
There was a time where ESPN had Parcells, Mangini, Holtz, and Herm all at the same time, and this was before Rex.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2021, 01:12:37 PM
Kind of funny this is an article now. ESPN has been signing ex-Jets coaches and players for years.How?
There was a time where ESPN had Parcells, Mangini, Holtz, and Herm all at the same time, and this was before Rex.
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
CARDINALS
Round 1: No. 16 overall
Round 2: No. 49
Round 5: No. 160
Round 6: No. 223 (from Vikings)
Round 7: Nos. 243, 247 (from Bears through Raiders)
BEARS
Round 1: No. 20 overall
Round 2: No. 52
Round 3: No. 83
Round 5: No. 164
Round 6: Nos. 204, 208 (from Seahawks through Dolphins), 221, 228
COLTS
Round 1: No. 21 overall
Round 2: No. 54
Round 4: No. 127
Round 5: No. 165
Round 6: No. 206
Round 7: No. 248
Minnesota has a lot of maneuvering cheddar in the mid-rounds too:
Round 1: No. 14 overall
Round 3: Nos. 78, 90 (from Ravens)
Round 4: Nos. 119, 125 (from Bears), 134 (from Bills), 143
Round 5: Nos. 157, 168 (from Steelers through Ravens)
Round 6: Nos. 199
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2021, 01:27:50 PM
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2021, 01:28:45 PM
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2021, 01:52:11 PM
I'm in the wrong thread. freak it.Technically nothing in here doesn't belong. Unless it's something worthy of a new thread.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2021, 01:12:02 AM
How?Before Rex was at the network I mean
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210430/100fc5a7db8ba974e347ba352ac4e60f.jpg)
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 11:50:00 AM
RIP
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2021, 06:54:23 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO9QpKsHU6w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Post by: Libero_2 on May 17, 2021, 07:18:44 AM
Eric Decker's kid is obsessed with his dad's Jets tenure
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO9QpKsHU6w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
WR1 in the 2038 draft class, you can already see it
Post by: Coach K on May 17, 2021, 01:18:00 PM
WR1 in the 2038 draft class, you can already see itHes studying film already . Draft him
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 19, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 19, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
Corey Davis=black Eric Decker.
Black and Blecker 2021
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2021, 03:15:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 22, 2021, 03:47:42 PM
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1396197242349015040?s=19
Watching hockey with the OL
King
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2021, 01:21:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
@MikeGarafolo
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The #Jets have hired former #Dolphins DC Matt Burke for a game-management role, source says. Burke, who most recently served as #Eagles run game coordinator and DL coach, brings 15 NFL seasons’ experience as a defensive coach but will help on both sides of the ball.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2021, 12:59:09 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210527/46cef9d18f688dcd28ca34af244bdbdc.jpg)
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2021, 09:05:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 03, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1400482659378159616
Post by: Libero_2 on June 03, 2021, 05:13:49 PM
Post by: delavan on June 04, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
I’m definitely going to enjoy watching that. Should be a big improvement over1 Jet dive with Adam fuckface Gase
1 Jets Drive and Adam freaking Gase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2021, 10:56:15 PM
This is dope
Post by: reuben on June 06, 2021, 11:08:27 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1401332275242012674?s=21
This is dope
Can anyone do a left-to-right? The only faces I recognize are Drunk QB1, FeenGod, Nick Frost from Hot Fuzz and MTV's Dan Cortese.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 06, 2021, 01:04:04 PM
Can anyone do a left-to-right? The only faces I recognize are Drunk QB1, FeenGod, Nick Frost from Hot Fuzz and MTV's Dan Cortese.One of the black guys is one of the Michael Carters.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2021, 01:34:33 PM
One of the black guys is one of the Michael Carters.https://twitter.com/8kMike/status/1401339299556102145
Post by: bojanglesman on June 06, 2021, 03:13:14 PM
https://twitter.com/8kMike/status/1401339299556102145Blacho Man
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SlowAcademicGnu-size_restricted.gif)
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 06, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
One of the black guys is one of the Michael Carters.
that's erik smith
also, why the black guys gotta sit in the back huh
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 07, 2021, 03:20:54 AM
Post by: delavan on June 07, 2021, 09:03:02 AM
Was Eric Smith black or white?
Yes
Post by: mj2sexay on June 11, 2021, 04:28:00 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this, Jets worked out Obi Melifonwu. Meh.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2021, 04:31:00 PM
Bo, you've been absolutely on fire with the Macho Man gifs and I love it. Best ever.
Not sure if anyone saw this, Jets worked out Obi Melifonwu. Meh.
They fit a lot of situations.
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2021, 04:12:49 PM
Chad Hansen to DET
Darren Lee to LV
Mike Pennel to CHI
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
I suggest you do not go to the Facebook comments section of this.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2021, 05:03:26 PM
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2021, 06:10:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uSmauPv.png)I'M GOIN IN
I suggest you do not go to the Facebook comments section of this.
Post by: reuben on June 19, 2021, 04:37:51 PM
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2021, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2021, 11:56:01 AM
SFD accepts this challenge.
Post by: casman02 on June 21, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kri9-Oo3dt8
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2021, 08:12:01 AM
Flight 2021 premiered tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kri9-Oo3dt8
i've been sporting wood through the first 2 episodes so far.
Post by: reuben on June 24, 2021, 02:34:14 PM
Still awesome
Post by: mj2sexay on June 24, 2021, 02:37:08 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/o6zu1g/highlight_nfls_greatest_moments_of_the_2010s_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/o6zu1g/highlight_nfls_greatest_moments_of_the_2010s_the/)
Still awesome
Braylon's dougie in the end zone is the high point of my 30 plus years of Jets fandom.
I loved Braylon. He had the rep of a diva but never got the credit he deserved in terms of his willingness to go over the middle and block like an absolute badass.
Post by: klaximilian on June 24, 2021, 07:02:14 PM
i've been sporting wood through the first 2 episodes so far.
They'd usually recommend calling a physician immediately for something like that...
Post by: delavan on June 26, 2021, 06:47:12 PM
While some (e.g. Tracey) are cute, the overall Flight Crew grade is at best a C-minus........Rachel belongs in a kennel
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 27, 2021, 11:46:30 AM
I want to see this:
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20 (https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20)
Post by: klaximilian on June 27, 2021, 12:09:26 PM
https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/2021-jets-flight-crew-roster-announced
While some (e.g. Tracey) are cute, the overall Flight Crew grade is at best a C-minus........Rachel belongs in a kennel
Lets not concern ourselves too much with our flight crew when our team has been anything but hot dogshit for the last 10 years.
FTW, you'd still smash on Rachel if given the chance.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
I thought about bumping the new uni thread, but Badger might stab me.
I want to see this:
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20 (https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20)
That looks terrible.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2021, 01:42:56 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 27, 2021, 01:49:56 PM
That looks terrible.
Disagree
I know a lot of people aren't into the black unis, but I love them.
I would probably change something about that design if given the choice, maybe change the outline of the words to white to contrast against the black. Or possibly change the bars to green.
Or if really given a choice, I'd put the football-shaped logo, with the block NY in the background, on the matte black helmet. That's my favorite logo. Top left of: https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408520255002103810?s=20 (https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408520255002103810?s=20)
Post by: insanity on June 27, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
That looks terrible.I'm so tired of every team doing blackout jerseys.
Enough
Post by: Heismanberg on June 27, 2021, 03:51:57 PM
I'm so tired of every team doing blackout jerseys.
Enough
Racist
Post by: delavan on June 27, 2021, 05:32:47 PM
Lets not concern ourselves too much with our flight crew when our team has been anything but hot dogshit for the last 10 years.
FTW, you'd still smash on Rachel if given the chance.
Fair enough but it's still pretty bad when your rookie QB's 'prettier' than all the cheerleaders.
as for Rachel, I've seen better head on cattle ..but you're probably right.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 05:36:19 PM
Post by: reuben on June 27, 2021, 05:41:43 PM
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[Tannenbaum] Current 25-and-under defenders who generated the most total pressures in 2020, via PFF: #1 Brian Burns - 66, #2 John Franklin-Myers - 55, #3 Harold Landry - 54, #4 Maxx Crosby - 53, #5 Montez Sweat - 49
You never know how a lineman is going to fare after a scheme change, but I have a feeling JFM is going to break out in a big way.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2021, 08:15:09 PM
I thought about bumping the new uni thread, but Badger might stab me.
I want to see this:
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20 (https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20)
That matt black helmet is so freaking nice. I love that we have a heritage but I'd really like to see us looking forward and doing something modern.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2021, 08:16:00 PM
Lets not concern ourselves too much with our flight crew when our team has been anything but hot dogshit for the last 10 years.
FTW, you'd still smash on Rachel if given the chance.
Obviously I'd be up any of them like a rat up a drainpipe, but the correct answers are Lucia and Sam R.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 27, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
That matt black helmet is so freaking nice. I love that we have a heritage but I'd really like to see us looking forward and doing something modern.
Yes!
You'd think more fans would be ready to move past the Hess gasoline palette of colors by now.
I'm not anti-GW, but why not green and white and black!?
Post by: insanity on June 28, 2021, 06:25:31 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/train3dn00b/status/1409182091598831628
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 28, 2021, 07:17:00 AM
I usually think the titans jerseys are overrated, but I could get behind this...
https://mobile.twitter.com/train3dn00b/status/1409182091598831628
I'm one of the few who really liked the Titans alt unis.
That looks amazing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2021, 07:30:57 AM
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2021, 04:17:43 PM
They might as well not exist above the jugs. They have faces?
Who knows, maybe they'll still insist on wearing covid masks.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 09:01:09 AM
It gave me hives.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12741261/new-york-jets-altered-nfl-history-drafting-kyle-brady-warren-sapp-1995
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2021, 11:44:00 AM
I was rooting around on the interwebz looking for Terry Bradway info, and found this article.
It gave me hives.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12741261/new-york-jets-altered-nfl-history-drafting-kyle-brady-warren-sapp-1995
I don't think it's unreasonable to pass on a guy who tested positive for Marijuana 6 times and for cocaine while in college. Especially 20 years ago when Marijuana had a very different stigma
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 12:54:52 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable to pass on a guy who tested positive for Marijuana 6 times and for cocaine while in college. Especially 20 years ago when Marijuana had a very different stigma
dcm is Rich Kotite.
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 03:58:45 PM
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Post by: reuben on July 07, 2021, 05:05:59 PM
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
If it's Calvin Pace, I can recommend some quality blackout curtains.
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2021, 05:40:53 PM
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.Nick Folk
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2021, 05:43:47 PM
If it's Calvin Pace, I can recommend some quality blackout curtains.
Struggling to figure out what I forgot about Calvin Pace.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 05:49:12 PM
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.Liam Nadler
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2021, 05:58:09 PM
Struggling to figure out what I forgot about Calvin Pace.He's watching you masturbate
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2021, 06:03:27 PM
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Zach Sudfeld.
This is a stupid game. Most players who played under Rex are out of the league.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 06:04:54 PM
Zach Sudfeld.Psssst...Rex is out of the league too
This is a stupid game. Most players who played under Rex are out of the league.
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 06:32:50 PM
If it's Calvin Pace, I can recommend some quality blackout curtains.
LOL, it's not Pace.
Nick Folk
No sir.
Zach Sudfeld.
This is a stupid game. Most players who played under Rex are out of the league.
Oh don't be a cranky quente. I'll give you more hints.
HINT #2: If I throw football over my fence to him, I'm not so sure he's going to catch it. Not because I'm a terrible thrower, but because its possibly he may not have good hands. I'm not really sure.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 06:34:07 PM
LOL, it's not Pace.
No sir.
Oh don't be a cranky quente. I'll give you more hints.
HINT #2: If I throw football over my fence to him, I'm not so sure he's going to catch it. Not because I'm a terrible thrower, but because its possibly he may not have good hands. I'm not really sure.
Justin McCareins
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2021, 06:35:19 PM
Justin McCareins
Under Rex?
Also, isn't he a cop in Florida now?
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 06:36:04 PM
Justin McCareins
I see what you did there.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 06:37:28 PM
or former Sanjaye Lal poster boy....Chaz Schilens
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2021, 06:40:15 PM
Ben Hartsock
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
HINT #3: He was credited with being a stunt double in a movie within the last 4 years.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 07:07:16 PM
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
Stephen Hill
You got way too locked in at the hint about not knowing if he can catch the ball. That was more of a hint that he's not a skill position player ;)
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2021, 07:22:25 PM
You got way too locked in at the hint about not knowing if he can catch the ball. That was more of a hint that he's not a skill position player ;)Konrad Reuland's corpse
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
Meaning it's probably a guy who was at the bottom of the depth chart/special teams and likely didn't have a long career. And very likely either a late round rookie who didn't ever get a second contract or a udfa/practice squad player
And the catching thing presumably makes it sound like a lineman/backer, though the stunt double thing would make me think it was someone who wasn't as big.
Like Josh Bush or Antonio Allen (throguh I'd assume both of them could catch a football)
Post by: ons on July 07, 2021, 07:45:52 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 07, 2021, 07:49:23 PM
Matthew Mulligan
John Connor
Marcus Dixon
Jeff “Cumby” Cumberland (although he can catch a football)
Mike Devito
Kendrick Ellis
Wayne Hunter
Leger Douzable
If it’s not one of those guys, I need more hints
Post by: reuben on July 07, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 07:55:18 PM
Josh Mauga
Winner.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2021, 08:07:41 PM
Josh Mauga
Was he supposed to open a pizza shop in Brooklyn and leave Mike Westhoff the freak alone?
Post by: klaximilian on July 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Was he supposed to open a pizza shop in Brooklyn and leave Mike Westhoff the freak alone?
That was Brashton Satele
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 07, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
Was he supposed to open a pizza shop in Brooklyn and leave Mike Westhoff the freak alone?
people bring up stuff like this and it makes me want to re-watch that hard knocks season but then i think about how i don't want to watch it because why would i willingly bring back so many good feels about my jet fandom from that time
Post by: ons on July 07, 2021, 09:36:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2021, 01:45:20 PM
Post by: klaximilian on July 08, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
Damn I thought it was gonna be David Clowney
Nah, it's Mauga. FWIW, I talked about his time with the Jets with him for about a half hour. He's a super chill guy. I'm sure I'll get to know him better in the coming years and hopefully I have some fun 2010 tales to share.
Post by: klaximilian on July 08, 2021, 05:33:06 PM
I feel very special and also brutally reminded that 2010 was a long freaking time ago. Shoutout to dcm forsuggesting an udfa linebacker
That was some impressive detective work.
The last hint was that he also played for Andy Reid, whom he said was a great coach, but the complete opposite of Rex. Too many rules. LOL
Post by: Miamipuck on July 08, 2021, 10:36:45 PM
That was some impressive detective work.Apparently not for his own son
The last hint was that he also played for Andy Reid, whom he said was a great coach, but the complete opposite of Rex. Too many rules. LOL
Post by: Miamipuck on July 08, 2021, 10:37:46 PM
That was some impressive detective work.
The last hint was that he also played for Andy Reid, whom he said was a great coach, but the complete opposite of Rex. Too many rules. LOL
Reno? Getting out of Cali?
Post by: klaximilian on July 09, 2021, 07:24:51 AM
Reno? Getting out of Cali?
Yessir. House will be completed and ready to move in by next summer.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 09, 2021, 10:11:11 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OCyKfYd4ya0
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2021, 09:58:49 PM
Post by: reuben on July 13, 2021, 04:31:38 PM
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[Nania] Pro Football Reference released pre-1982 NFL sack totals. It is revealed that in 1981, Joe Klecko had 20.5 sacks while Mark Gastineau had 20.0 – the only duo of 20.0-sack teammates in NFL history.
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ochocinco/status/1421541076905730048?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 08:07:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31807057/2021-nfl-offseason-ranking-most-least-improved-teams-1-32-starting-jaguars-jets
Post by: dcm1602 on August 04, 2021, 09:07:42 PM
ESPN ranks the Jets as the second most improved team in the league.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31807057/2021-nfl-offseason-ranking-most-least-improved-teams-1-32-starting-jaguars-jets
It's silly because no matter how good any moves Douglas made are. The improvement/worsening will live and die by Wilson
If he's bad we don't improve at all. If he's great, Joe Douglas gets a statue
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
It's silly because no matter how good any moves Douglas made are. The improvement/worsening will live and die by Wilson
If he's bad we don't improve at all. If he's great, Joe Douglas gets a statue
I think it's more to do with the fact that we were so bad last season that it would be virtually impossible not to improve massively.
Post by: reuben on August 04, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
It's silly because no matter how good any moves Douglas made are. The improvement/worsening will live and die by Wilson
If he's bad we don't improve at all. If he's great, Joe Douglas gets a statue
No, that was the case with Sam Darnold. When you draft a top quarterback and throw him behind swiss cheese, then the team lives or dies on that quarterback's talent. But when you build a team properly, when you build from the trenches out, then you aren't dependent on a magic quarterback. Take a look at Indianapolis: freaking blindsided by their franchise QB's retirement in 2019, they went 7-9. Then they dressed Philip Rivers' corpse in a Colts jersey the next season and they were right back in the playoffs.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 04, 2021, 10:45:26 PM
No, that was the case with Sam Darnold. When you draft a top quarterback and throw him behind swiss cheese, then the team lives or dies on that quarterback's talent. But when you build a team properly, when you build from the trenches out, then you aren't dependent on a magic quarterback. Take a look at Indianapolis: freaking blindsided by their franchise QB's retirement in 2019, they went 7-9. Then they dressed Philip Rivers' corpse in a Colts jersey the next season and they were right back in the playoffs.
Phillip rivers corpse was top 10 in passing yards with a near 70% completion percentage and a solid but not excellent td:int ratio
Post by: reuben on August 05, 2021, 01:12:21 AM
Phillip rivers corpse was top 10 in passing yards with a near 70% completion percentage and a solid but not excellent td:int ratio
Yeah and he was 23:20 the year before.
It's almost like a great line makes the quarterback position easier. Weird.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 01:44:55 AM
Yeah and he was 23:20 the year before.
It's almost like a great line makes the quarterback position easier. Weird.
I heard Rivers replacement had a pretty decent year for the Chargers (I don't know if the team overhauled their entire offense or not from 19 >20)
Post by: WD40 on August 05, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
https://www.chargers.com/team/players-roster/oday-aboushi/
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2021, 10:53:11 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Fun fact, the San Diego Chargers line features Oday Aboushi in a backup (?) role this year. Somehow that dude has stuck around for eight years in the NFL. Never woulda thunk it. Started 42 games in his career!
https://www.chargers.com/team/players-roster/oday-aboushi/
I also noticed the other day that Dakota Dozier is starting for the Vikings.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2021, 11:23:13 AM
And there are so many replacement-level OL who are good some years and not great other years.
Pat Elflein went from released, to playing relatively well off the street with us, to getting a 3-yr/$13.5M deal.
That's also why I'm hopeful we can get decent production out of the Lewis/GVR/Feeney group at guard. Lewis and GVR have had stretches where they've been decent NFL starters. Feeney was a bad NFL starter, but he could be our version of that guy who a team spent a decent draft pick on and then becomes a rotation guard with his next team.
The problem is when your entire offensive line is full of those guys. When it's just one position entering a year where you have that type of competition, it bodes well for the OL.
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 11:26:30 AM
Offensive line play around the league is not great.
From reading a little bit about other teams' camps, Bengals fans are really worried.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2021, 11:28:23 AM
From reading a little bit about other teams' camps, Bengals fans are really worried.As they should be. Taking Chase over Sewell was idiotic for them. I don't care that Burrow is friends with Chase. It won't matter if Burrow gets hurt again.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
Offensive line play around the league is not great.
And there are so many replacement-level OL who are good some years and not great other years.
Pat Elflein went from released, to playing relatively well off the street with us, to getting a 3-yr/$13.5M deal.
That's also why I'm hopeful we can get decent production out of the Lewis/GVR/Feeney group at guard. Lewis and GVR have had stretches where they've been decent NFL starters. Feeney was a bad NFL starter, but he could be our version of that guy who a team spent a decent draft pick on and then becomes a rotation guard with his next team.
The problem is when your entire offensive line is full of those guys. When it's just one position entering a year where you have that type of competition, it bodes well for the OL.
This team needs McGovern to step up and play better in the worst way.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2021, 11:37:59 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2021, 12:07:05 PM
I think McGovern and whoever is at RG will be better because LG and RT were upgraded.
GVR should be the right guard
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 12:17:51 PM
GVR should be the right guard
Yeah this won't cause any negative feedback.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2021, 03:20:47 PM
Lewis will check himself back into the psych ward if he allows a sack
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 07:52:35 AM
(https://i.redd.it/53v7quuytmf71.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 06, 2021, 09:10:13 AM
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
freak that’s embarrassing, I figured there was another couple teams that hadn’t made it eitherThe Bills, Browns, and Lions all came off the list while we've been wandering the desert post-Rex.
Post by: ons on August 06, 2021, 10:02:20 AM
freak that’s embarrassing, I figured there was another couple teams that hadn’t made it either
I'm pretty sure not only are we the longest, we're something like double the runner ups. I think that with the Browns getting in this year, we're the only NFL team that hasn't been to the playoffs in the past five years, and it's been ten.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 06, 2021, 10:06:00 AM
EDIT: Long streaks like that don't happen without situations where a team finishes with a record that would normally be good enough (02 Mariners went 93-69), the Jets during that run went 10-6 under Bowles first year in 15, and isn't.
Which makes the Sabres streak even more laughable considering its been ten years of straight trash.
Post by: ons on August 06, 2021, 10:07:55 AM
Considering the addition of that second wild card, and the fact that the 01 Mariners won 116 games, that streak is wild.
Embrace misery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIgK56cAjfY
Post by: mj2sexay on August 06, 2021, 11:01:33 AM
Embrace misery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIgK56cAjfY
Considering the heartbreak that was 1995 and seeing Mattingly hobble off the diamond one last time in a series the Yankees should've won (and they were very competitive against the Indians that year in terms of the ALCS showdown), freak the Mariners, I hope they don't sniff the playoffs for fifty years.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 06, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
Considering the addition of that second wild card, and the fact that the 01 Mariners won 116 games, that streak is wild.2001 Mariners won 116 games.
EDIT: Long streaks like that don't happen without situations where a team finishes with a record that would normally be good enough (02 Mariners went 93-69), the Jets during that run went 10-6 under Bowles first year in 15, and isn't.
Which makes the Sabres streak even more laughable considering its been ten years of straight trash.
2010 Jets were one drive away from the Super Bowl.
Life comes at you fast.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 06, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 01:04:42 PM
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/article/sharp-team-previews/gase-gone-jets-are-back"It wasn’t Gase’s fault that the youngest opening-day starting quarterback since the AFL–NFL merger was chewed up and spit out by Jeremy Bates as offensive coordinator in Darnold’s rookie year in 2018."
Huh? Bates was Bill Walsh compared to Gase/Loggains.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 06, 2021, 01:30:18 PM
What did he spend his time doing when game planning? I mean this is the guy that skipped thanksgiving to game plan for the 0-whatever Bengals only to get absolutely murdered on the field
Post by: Heismanberg on August 06, 2021, 04:10:44 PM
Lewis will check himself back into the psych ward if he allows a sack
Didn’t even allow a real sack and he quit
Post by: reuben on September 03, 2021, 01:36:03 PM
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2021, 05:53:27 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTdOWtHMa7Z/?utm_medium=copy_link
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 06, 2021, 10:39:47 AM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1434902253601689602?s=21 (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1434902253601689602?s=21)
Post by: casman02 on September 06, 2021, 02:12:52 PM
3
4
33
36
That would not be a bad haul
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32133086/simulating-2021-nfl-season-projecting-285-games-biggest-storylines-super-bowl-winner
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 06, 2021, 03:23:48 PM
Post by: reuben on September 09, 2021, 11:26:40 PM
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That left Woody to watch games on television, usually in the middle of the night, pacing, cheering and screaming alone in the ambassador's residence so he wouldn't wake anybody up. Being an ambassador was so all-consuming for him -- "The job is pretty much every 15 minutes. There's big opportunities and big problems," he said -- that he said it was not hard for him to be disconnected from the team and he talked to his brother about the Jets only very infrequently.
Dude, freak off, you didn't do excrement. I'm sure there's a few dozen foreign ambassadors who really grind but Woody freaking Johnson wasn't one of them.
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Inside the silo, Johnson plans to be more visible -- particularly to players -- than he has been in the past.
"You participate in decision making without being obstructionist," Johnson said. "Every owner goes through this -- how hands off, how hands on. I think I was hands off. I think you have to get to know your team. And they have to know you know them. You have to go to practices, and talk to them, make sure they know. I'm for them as long as they are a Jet. And when they're not a Jet."
Hands off, bud. 100%. Sit back and let Joe and Bob work.
Made me think of this other article I saw today: NFL agents survey: Jets' Joe Douglas among least trusted general managers (https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/08/new-york-jets-joe-douglas-least-trusted-general-managers-nfl-agents/)
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Ben Standig asked 33 certified agents a series of questions about the league heading into the 2021 season. One of the questions was “Among GMs or front-office leaders, who do you trust the least?” Douglas finished third with three votes. He trailed the Eagles’ Howie Roseman (7 votes) and the Patriots’ Bill Belichick (6 votes).
Standig included two explanations from agents, both of which revolved around ownership and the Jets’ organizational history.
“The organization is so bad, it’s hard to trust anything that comes out of there,” one agent said.
“Part of that is just his circumstances with ownership, but they’ve told multiple players things in the last couple of years that just haven’t been true,” another agent added.
I read that as "Joe's actually OK, but he works for a doofus." Doofuses. Doofi.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 09, 2021, 11:29:44 PM
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 11:30:06 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-owner-woody-johnson-weighs-in-on-ted-lasso-dig-robert-saleh-zach-wilson-mor (https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-owner-woody-johnson-weighs-in-on-ted-lasso-dig-robert-saleh-zach-wilson-mor)
Dude, freak off, you didn't do excrement. I'm sure there's a few dozen foreign ambassadors who really grind but Woody freaking Johnson wasn't one of them.
Give Woody a break, the man was forced to eat mashed peas for four years.
Post by: reuben on September 09, 2021, 11:31:56 PM
Woody seems like the type of ambassador who would constantly be busy and think he's working hard, but mostly be incompetent and unproductive.
"Another dinner party?! But that's two this month!!!"
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 11:34:47 PM
Woody seems like the type of ambassador who would constantly be busy and think he's working hard, but mostly be incompetent and unproductive.To be fair, if your boss spends half his time on the golf course then you're not going to put in much of a shift either.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 11:38:57 PM
To be fair, if your boss spends half his time on the golf course then you're not going to put in much of a shift either.
I somehow doubt any billionaire knows what it's like to have a boss
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 09, 2021, 11:39:54 PM
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2021, 10:32:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1436887569120235527?s=19
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210912/5d01f6461bc6ae8ca697853b894535b1.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on September 13, 2021, 03:18:20 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 13, 2021, 09:07:14 PM
Mann out 4-6 weeks.
Jesus
Are we signing a punter? Or just letting Amendola do it since he had a hell of a game?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2021, 11:45:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2021, 05:39:09 AM
JesusProbably sign a punter. Can't wear out our kicker punting 65 times. Plus what happens if he gets hurt in game and God forbid we are still in the game?
Are we signing a punter? Or just letting Amendola do it since he had a hell of a game?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2021, 06:44:36 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2021, 07:25:31 AM
Things are supposed to be different the way we set up Zach Wilson for success.
They're not
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2021, 07:29:35 AM
The week 1 stats are in and the Jets have the worst rushing YPC in the NFL by a significant margin.
Things are supposed to be different the way we set up Zach Wilson for success.
They're not
rookie HC, rookie QB....give it a few weeks.
Post by: ons on September 14, 2021, 12:45:01 PM
The week 1 stats are in and the Jets have the worst rushing YPC in the NFL by a significant margin.
Things are supposed to be different the way we set up Zach Wilson for success.
They're not
Transitioning to an outside zone scheme is hard and takes time:
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The difference with Shanahan’s offense and its various clones is that it’s extraordinarily difficult to teach, especially up front, because, for offensive linemen, most of the required movements are unique to this scheme. Blocking schemes require specific personnel that exclude a lot of standard, lumbering type linemen. Some of the most critical blocks cannot be practiced, because the backside “cutting” techniques, which ask an offensive lineman to dive at the turf, tripping a chasing defender at the hips, are too dangerous to try out on fellow teammates who could easily sustain lower body injuries.
So, having the playbook and the play-caller is one thing. Having the person, or people, to turn some chemically doctored brown swill into whiskey? That’s a different issue altogether, leaving some to wonder whether there’s a coaching crisis on our hands, or just a bunch of premature spirits waiting to ripen.
“It’s gonna take you years, it’s not going to happen overnight,” Mike Shanahan told Sports Illustrated recently from his vacation spot in Cabo. “You gotta believe in it. You gotta be a product of the environment. It’s gonna take time.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/08/16/why-its-hard-to-copycat-the-shanahan-style-offense-daily-cover
(that article name drops the our offensive line coaching process a decent amount too)
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2021, 12:49:40 PM
Transitioning to an outside zone scheme is hard and takes time:One of the things that bothers me in sports is thinking "if X strategy is so great why doesn't everyone do it?" so I'm glad to at least have an explanation this time.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/08/16/why-its-hard-to-copycat-the-shanahan-style-offense-daily-cover
(that article name drops the our offensive line coaching process a decent amount too)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2021, 02:43:06 PM
We're weak up front. They just bullied us.
I'd like to know who is making the calls and how much say Wilson has at the LOS.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2021, 02:48:56 PM
Carolina is also really good upfront. Derrick Brown and Brian Burns are two of the best young defensive linemen in the NFL.
We're weak up front. They just bullied us.
I'd like to know who is making the calls and how much say Wilson has at the LOS.
Yes. I watched again and I still can't figure it out.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2021, 03:06:20 PM
Yes. I watched again and I still can't figure it out.
GVR was making tick calls, which is alarming because that means that McGovern either doesn't have control or he's not seeing it.
I didn't see AVT make any calls, but I wasn't pay that much attention to the left side because our right side was much worse.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2021, 03:11:06 PM
GVR was making tick calls, which is alarming because that means that McGovern either doesn't have control or he's not seeing it.
I didn't see AVT make any calls, but I wasn't pay that much attention to the left side because our right side was much worse.
I'm about 98% convinced that Zach wasn't making any calls though (and nor should he have been, he has quite enough to be figuring out without also having to call protections). The concern with a young team out there is that no one is really taking responsibility for it, which could easily lead to the kind of broken derriere protection we saw in the first half.
I think pretty quickly it's going to have to be Zach though, because he might be the only one smart enough to do it. If McGovern isn't taking the lead now then he probably isn't going to. Anyone got Nick Mangold's number?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2021, 03:28:45 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
Carolina is also really good upfront. Derrick Brown and Brian Burns are two of the best young defensive linemen in the NFL.Doesn't get much easier with New England and Denver coming up unfortunately.
We're weak up front. They just bullied us.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2021, 03:37:31 PM
Doesn't get much easier with New England and Denver coming up unfortunately.
Zach Wilson is going to need to learn the 1/4 step drop.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2021, 03:44:29 PM
Doesn't get much easier with New England and Denver coming up unfortunately.
At least unlike the Gase / Loggains era I have faith in the coaching staff's ability to identify the problems and adjust to try and stop or mitigate them, rather than simply burying their head in the playbook and demanding that players understand the pictures harder.
I realise it's a bit of a blind faith at this stage but I'm still holding firmly to it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2021, 05:20:05 PM
Post by: reuben on September 14, 2021, 05:42:41 PM
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The #Jets brought in a familiar face today with a need at LB: Veteran LB Avery Williamson, who they traded away to Pittsburgh last season, was in the facility today for a workout.
I'm all for it, Steelers fans said he looked washed last year but washed is probably an upgrade for us.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 14, 2021, 05:52:59 PM
I'm all for it, Steelers fans said he looked washed last year but washed is probably an upgrade for us.
He looked washed before we traded him. Oddly enough I want to do something I'm not sure has ever been done. I want to sign him so that trade him in consecutive seasons right after guys get healthy.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 14, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2021, 06:07:48 PM
Injured Reserve has signed Blake Cashman to a one year extension.That boy is getting a Bobby Bonilla deal.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2021, 06:13:34 PM
I know this has been brought up ad nauseam but the diverging career trajectories of Avery and Demario following the 2018 offseason never ceases to amaze/confound me. Avery's now considered washed at 29 while Demario is still one of the top linebackers in the game at 32.
McCagnan deserves nightly crank phone calls about his refrigerator running just for letting Demario Davis walk alone.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 14, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
McCagnan deserves nightly crank phone calls about his refrigerator running just for letting Demario Davis walk alone.
Except I don't remember anyone questioning the move at the time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2021, 07:20:40 PM
Except I don't remember anyone questioning the move at the time.
Funny, I remember multiple people disliking letting him walk without even negotiating with him after one of, if not his best seasons.
And then again when Williamson went down before the season even started.
Edit: I a word there.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2021, 07:34:09 PM
That boy is getting a Bobby Bonilla deal.We're gonna pay him $3.50 every year until 2050?
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2021, 08:02:08 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2021, 08:16:37 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrylSlater/status/1437762626365308935?s=19
Well freak the Giants at least.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2021, 09:27:16 PM
@PFF_Mike
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12h
Teams with the most snaps played from rookies in Week 1:
Jets 317
Steelers 268
Lions 217
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2021, 09:34:34 AM
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2021, 09:52:27 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2021/09/14/new-york-giants-fan-maggots-hot-dog-metlife-stadium/And THAT is why I eat to the point of uncomfortable fullness before entering the stadium.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2021, 09:57:45 AM
And THAT is why I eat to the point of uncomfortable fullness before entering the stadium.
I barely eat anything at the tailgates, I never remember. Too busy drinking. I also don't eat in the stadium though because I can never be bothered to queue up for anything except beer.
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
I barely eat anything at the tailgates, I never remember. Too busy drinking. I also don't eat in the stadium though because I can never be bothered to queue up for anything except beer.Maggots or not, most of the stadium food is dreadful.
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2021, 10:48:30 AM
Maggots or not, most of the stadium food is dreadful.
I remember paying like 10 bucks for a subpar hotdog at the stadium.
#LifeLessonsLearned
Post by: reuben on September 15, 2021, 05:40:55 PM
Maggots or not, most of the stadium food is dreadful.
The 50 Club stuff is great. However I am fundamentally opposed to the 50 Club because it pulls people out of the most effective crowd noise seats.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 15, 2021, 05:52:20 PM
Post by: insanity on September 15, 2021, 07:59:05 PM
I actually think the offerings at The Fat Rooster are pretty good.(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RingedBeneficialIberianemeraldlizard-max-1mb.gif)
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 11:00:55 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmpqyGr5BM/
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
Why did I not know about this beer until now?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmpqyGr5BM/
Great beer to bring to the tailgate
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 09:14:10 AM
Great beer to bring to the tailgateWe'll see if they still have any, I won't be anywhere near there until next weekend.
Post by: ons on September 17, 2021, 09:54:06 AM
Mike Renner
@PFF_Mike
·
12h
Teams with the most snaps played from rookies in Week 1:
Jets 317
Steelers 268
Lions 217
lol
It really can't be overstated how inexperienced we are at multiple position groups. That, combined with our offensive system, means that there are going to be some steep, team-wide learning curves, but the upside is that the coaches and FO are on the same page and we are able to build a deep, strong roster that can carry us for the next 3-5 seasons.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 22, 2021, 08:56:38 AM
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1440649661048451086?s=21 (https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1440649661048451086?s=21)
Post by: reuben on September 22, 2021, 09:23:21 AM
This is terrible and absolutely hilarious at the same time…
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1440649661048451086?s=21 (https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1440649661048451086?s=21)
Absolutely roasted.
"These two idiots just standing here staring at each other" Fuckin hell we need a tight end.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 22, 2021, 10:50:36 AM
Absolutely roasted.The funny thing is that angle actually makes the interception look a lot better on Wilson's end. It was a dangerous pass, but not nearly as bad as it initially looked, especially given the free rusher in his face.
"These two idiots just standing here staring at each other" Fuckin hell we need a tight end.
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2021, 01:00:37 PM
Quote
Field Yates
@FieldYates
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47m
The @ProFootballHOF
has announced 122 nominees for the class of 2022, including 10 first-year eligible players:
WR Anquan Boldin
WR Devin Hester
WR Andre Johnson
WR Steve Smith
OL Jake Long
C Nick Mangold
OLB DeMarcus Ware
DL Robert Mathis
DL Vince Wilfork
DB Antonio Cromartie.
let's go
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 01:08:31 PM
let's go
I don't think Cro has even a prayer of being a 1st ballot dude.
Honestly I think it's pretty unlikely he makes it at all. Hell look at him in comparison to just the other 10 first year nominees
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 01:11:16 PM
I don't think Cro has even a prayer of being a 1st ballot dude.He isn't going to make it ever. Not even close.
Honestly I think it's pretty unlikely he makes it at all. Hell look at him in comparison to just the other 10 first year nominees
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 01:11:49 PM
I don't think Cro has even a prayer of being a 1st ballot dude.
Honestly I think it's pretty unlikely he makes it at all. Hell look at him in comparison to just the other 10 first year nominees
I don't think either of them will make the shortlist. I think Wilfork and Steve Smith are both first ballot possibilities, assuming Smith hasn't pissed too many voters off.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
I don't think either of them will make the shortlist. I think Wilfork and Steve Smith are both first ballot possibilities, assuming Smith hasn't pissed too many voters off.
https://www.espn.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/87442/nick-mangold-an-all-time-jets-great-but-road-to-canton-is-rough
After reading this I think it's reasonable to say Mangold has no chance at being a first ballot. And if he makes it, it'll probably take several years
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 01:32:30 PM
Devin Hester should get in. Greatest return man of all-time and it's not even close.
And the last of the greats as well, he couldn't do what he did with the way the rules work now.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 06:33:34 PM
This whole thing with him is frustrating as freak.
He skipped all the offseason practices because of his contract squabble. Then missed a chunk of camp because of covid, now he's probably going to miss the first 3 weeks from an injury.
You have to wonder how much of this is from him missing so much time, or possibly just not giving a excrement since we basically forced him into a significant pay cut
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2021, 08:05:54 PM
Apparently Crowder had a setback last Friday.
I'm Braxton Berrios and I approve this message.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2021, 08:08:41 PM
And the last of the greats as well, he couldn't do what he did with the way the rules work now.
He could on punt returns
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 08:19:36 PM
He could on punt returns
No one's getting into Canton just for returning punts. I don't disagree with you at all on Hester, although the teams he played on don't help his case, I'm just saying that we're not going to see another like him because the scope doesn't exist in the game.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2021, 08:43:12 PM
Post by: delavan on September 23, 2021, 05:39:08 PM
https://www.tiktok.com/@td.sports/video/7010582572891639045?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 23, 2021, 08:18:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Quote
Mekhi Becton
Tell me you dont know football without telling me you dont know football https://t.co/1IZQRlS6Bn https://t.co/LJP7YqkdaK
September 24, 2021 2:37pm EDT
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2021, 07:13:23 PM
https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1441439241607598085?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1441439241607598085?s=19)
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2021, 07:22:30 PM
https://youtu.be/HTUJ_lE08KE
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 26, 2021, 07:36:49 AM
Rich Eisen is my spirit animal.
https://youtu.be/HTUJ_lE08KE
he's becoming one of those dudes you get annoyed listening to because a lot of what he says rings so true
but i think that's just me deflecting annoyances with our franchise back at him
Post by: Laxin on September 26, 2021, 10:48:41 AM
Post by: reuben on September 26, 2021, 11:00:56 AM
Rich Eisen is the Jets fan talk show host Greeny thinks he is. Rich is always spot on.
I like Greeny too, but Rich seems to understand that there's latent comedy in being a long-suffering fan of a shitty franchise. With Greeny it's mostly tragedy.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2021, 12:25:02 PM
Rich Eisen is the Jets fan talk show host Greeny thinks he is. Rich is always spot on.He's replaced Benigno/Roberts as the guy I like to listen to after each excruciating loss.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2021, 10:23:18 AM
Larry David is a top 5 Jets fan
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2021, 10:28:01 AM
How have you fucks not watched the Carl episode of Curb Your EnthusiasmHe killed off Carl Lawson, so he's dead to me.
Larry David is a top 5 Jets fan
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2021, 01:18:25 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-grant-teams-exclusive-access-040121846.html
I'd be surprised if the Jets aren't one, I wonder what territories we'd be interested in. I'm guessing one of the European markets would make the most sense?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 27, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Apparently bids on this are due by Thursday, and about half the teams in the league are expected to submit one.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-grant-teams-exclusive-access-040121846.html
I'd be surprised if the Jets aren't one, I wonder what territories we'd be interested in. I'm guessing one of the European markets would make the most sense?
I can get the appeal of having some consistency and focusing on one team in a certain area.
But at the same time, how can anyone think it's a good strategy to saddle a region with a excrement team being an effective way to get viewers?
It's hard enough to get lifelong jet fans to watch the garbage this teams putting out. You want this to get buy in fork the Chinese or some excrement?
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2021, 07:13:03 AM
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1442824305461575684?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2021, 07:26:46 AM
Post by: Badger on September 29, 2021, 07:48:03 AM
Tied with the Jags for worst team in the league. Where have I seen that before?Time is a flat circle.
Post by: MBGreen on September 29, 2021, 07:57:15 AM
Tied with the Jags for worst team in the league. Where have I seen that before?
#JetsTank2020
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2021, 07:58:11 AM
Time is a flat circle.
I'm pretty sure The Conspiracy Against the Human Race is about the Jets.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 08:07:21 AM
yay.
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1442824305461575684?s=19
Check your DMs you dirty lightweight
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2021, 01:38:46 PM
It is to an extent true, I think. I don't think we get the respect we deserve for sticking by this towering monument to failure.
Post by: reuben on October 01, 2021, 01:49:39 PM
A friend of mine (Packers fan) just asked a very pertinent question. "I wonder if Jets fans will ever get credit the way Browns fans did for being devoted fans of awful. Or does being in a big city market full of entitled fans prevent that?"
It is to an extent true, I think. I don't think we get the respect we deserve for sticking by this towering monument to failure.
Nah we're cunts
Post by: Badger on October 01, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
A friend of mine (Packers fan) just asked a very pertinent question. "I wonder if Jets fans will ever get credit the way Browns fans did for being devoted fans of awful. Or does being in a big city market full of entitled fans prevent that?"I don't know if other people have perceived this but I think other fans like the idea of an ascendant Jets team more than they actually like seeing the Jets be good.
It is to an extent true, I think. I don't think we get the respect we deserve for sticking by this towering monument to failure.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2021, 02:35:32 PM
"I'm Sorry"
Somewhere in those two words lies sympathy
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2021, 02:39:54 PM
"What's the purpose of your visit?"
"Yankees on Saturday and Jets on Sunday."
"Yankees fan, huh?"
"No, Jets."
"Really?"
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
I went through US Immigration a few hours ago.
"What's the purpose of your visit?"
"Yankees on Saturday and Jets on Sunday."
"Yankees fan, huh?"
"No, Jets."
"Really?"
Surprised they didn't throw you back out.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
Surprised they didn't throw you back out.He was a Cowboys fan, predictably. We had a laugh about the fact that at least we can both enjoy the Giants being excrement.
I've played this game before.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 07:50:28 AM
Post by: reuben on October 04, 2021, 08:23:30 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUm3dHWN_g2/?utm_medium=copy_link
A top 2 Hot Ones episode. Nothing tops Key & Peele.
Post by: insanity on October 04, 2021, 12:01:04 PM
Coaching matters
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 04, 2021, 12:20:51 PM
Jets have 13 missed tackles this season, tied for 3rd least.
Coaching matters
All of them on that Damien Harris run 🤦🏽♂️
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 07:44:40 PM
https://v.redd.it/kih7wo1khfr71
(Please let me know if this is too political)
Post by: Johnny English on October 04, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
freak Uber Eats, but here:
https://v.redd.it/kih7wo1khfr71
(Please let me know if this is too political)
I don't get the hate for Ed, I think he's great.
freak that Captain Jet guy though, I'll bet he has the worst body odour.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
I don't get the hate for Ed, I think he's great.My dad ran into Ed at an Italian butcher shop in Queens back in the '00s and said he was a pretty cool guy. Jets fans will just turn on anyone if they're miserable enough.
freak that Captain Jet guy though, I'll bet he has the worst body odour.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 04, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
freak Uber Eats, but here:
https://v.redd.it/kih7wo1khfr71
(Please let me know if this is too political)
If he's not SAG-AFTRA he's dead to me.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 10:44:08 PM
If he's not SAG-AFTRA he's dead to me.Sir please keep all value judgements of non-sports topics to the appropriate forum
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 05, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2021, 11:24:24 AM
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1445393238286798857?s=20(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211005/d7e2521a09065ec0d2ffd06a7d631116.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2021, 01:37:52 PM
I don't get the hate for Ed, I think he's great.
freak that Captain Jet guy though, I'll bet he has the worst body odour.
Enjoy Captain Jet and his prophetic Facebook posts while he’s still here
Post by: bojanglesman on October 15, 2021, 08:18:42 PM
Post by: casman02 on October 17, 2021, 11:12:36 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Still want to come out of this BYE week swinging though.
Beat the Patriots*
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 18, 2021, 05:05:46 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 18, 2021, 10:50:08 AM
https://twitter.com/overkill357/status/1449946072286171140?s=21 (https://twitter.com/overkill357/status/1449946072286171140?s=21)
I have watched this 100 times and keeps getting funnier every single time I see it.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2021, 11:57:50 AM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2021, 03:40:49 PM
I have watched this 100 times and keeps getting funnier every time I single time I see it.All luv
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2021, 12:42:15 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2021, 12:43:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Kerry25Rhodes/status/1450851916573855746?t=uTt__4Lxu6V39vIwhrYn5g&s=19
Who dat?
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2021, 01:04:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Kerry25Rhodes/status/1450851916573855746?t=uTt__4Lxu6V39vIwhrYn5g&s=19
Probably all accurate. I still think the gayness is what did him in. In the NFL of 2009, you could probably be gay, and you could be soft, but you couldn't be both. Kerry was likely the former and definitely the latter.
I can't imagine your own teammate actually spitting in your face during a game without there being some kind of deep-rooted hate at play there.
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2021, 01:20:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1012444336892473344/d4eUxvQ3_400x400.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQdbSJ9U8AA1LJv?format=jpg&name=large)
That's a hell of a beard.
Post by: insanity on October 20, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
.Did that happen?
I can't imagine your own teammate actually spitting in your face during a game without there being some kind of deep-rooted hate at play there.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2021, 01:45:05 PM
Probably all accurate. I still think the gayness is what did him in. In the NFL of 2009, you could probably be gay, and you could be soft, but you couldn't be both. Kerry was likely the former and definitely the latter.I don't recall that spitting thing.
I can't imagine your own teammate actually spitting in your face during a game without there being some kind of deep-rooted hate at play there.
Was a big fan of Kerry when he was here. A bit of a diva, but a great Jets draft pick and a good safety. Rex hated him.
I still don't think he's come out as gay publicly, but it seems pretty obvious he's at least bisexual.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 20, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Did that happen?
Against the Jets no less.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8724985/darnell-dockett-arizona-cardinals-fined-amount-six-figures-according-source (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8724985/darnell-dockett-arizona-cardinals-fined-amount-six-figures-according-source)
Post by: mj2sexay on October 20, 2021, 02:01:01 PM
Against the Jets no less.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8724985/darnell-dockett-arizona-cardinals-fined-amount-six-figures-according-source (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8724985/darnell-dockett-arizona-cardinals-fined-amount-six-figures-according-source)
I was at that game! Sanchez/McElroy vs the immortal Ryan Lindley.
freaking game set back offensive football about 20 years.
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2021, 02:01:16 PM
Kerry Rhodes' ex-wife:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1012444336892473344/d4eUxvQ3_400x400.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQdbSJ9U8AA1LJv?format=jpg&name=large)
That's a hell of a beard.
Married for six months. That's a beard marriage.
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2021, 04:21:24 PM
I was at that game! Sanchez/McElroy vs the immortal Ryan Lindley.I think I might have been there too, but it's kind of a fuzzy memory. If I was, definitely the worst win I ever saw in person.
freaking game set back offensive football about 20 years.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2021, 06:25:04 PM
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2021, 12:00:06 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 25, 2021, 09:29:54 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2021, 09:44:30 PM
Watching Demario Davis' play with the Saints really makes me upset about MacCagnan.Calvin Pryor for Demario Davis was the best trade he made followed by Marshall
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 25, 2021, 09:59:15 PM
Calvin Pryor for Demario Davis was the best trade he made followed by Marshall
And letting him walk to replace him with Avery was a massive misstep.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 26, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 26, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
Aaaaand Cashman's done for the year.I'm shocked
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Aaaaand Cashman's done for the year.Sources tells me he's preemptively done for the next 3 years as well just to be safe.
Also, Injured Reserve was placed on the Blake Cashman list.
Post by: insanity on October 26, 2021, 05:54:53 PM
Post by: delavan on October 26, 2021, 09:02:36 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Firing_Squad.jpg/320px-Firing_Squad.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2021, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 16, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2021, 11:45:51 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1460653894003011584?s=21
I will listen to that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 16, 2021, 11:49:15 AM
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2021, 07:23:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 17, 2021, 08:24:06 PM
Has anyone else been getting an insane number of marketing emails from the Jets lately?
Not that I've noticed, I think just the usual daily invitation to buy stuff.
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2021, 06:13:39 AM
Not that I've noticed, I think just the usual daily invitation to buy stuff.That's what I mean, that didn't used to be daily.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2021, 06:16:36 AM
TMZ: Ex-NFL RB Zac Stacy Brutalizes Ex-GF In Front Of 5-Month-Old Son, Terrifying Video.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2021, 06:19:03 AM
Piece of excrement (and I'm sure he'll be listed as former Jet) Zac Stacy.I forgot he was ever a Jet. Of course they use a picture of him in green and white though.
TMZ: Ex-NFL RB Zac Stacy Brutalizes Ex-GF In Front Of 5-Month-Old Son, Terrifying Video.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/
Post by: insanity on November 18, 2021, 07:21:51 AM
Piece of excrement (and I'm sure he'll be listed as former Jet) Zac Stacy.Did football at the wrong time
TMZ: Ex-NFL RB Zac Stacy Brutalizes Ex-GF In Front Of 5-Month-Old Son, Terrifying Video.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2021, 07:27:59 AM
Did football at the wrong time"Michael Carter on a sweep left.....and he rams the safety's head through a sideline TV. Now he's yelling at him about....their son? And there's a flag. Holding on Van Roten."
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2021, 07:41:14 AM
That's what I mean, that didn't used to be daily.Has been for years, at least for me.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 20, 2021, 10:35:26 PM
But this week a story came out from the giants, and one from the Jets (specifically Tanny) about how a scout for each team "begged" to draft Brady
Post by: casman02 on November 22, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
I will listen to that.Can now listen to that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtoktA4Wt9E
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2021, 03:54:14 PM
Thanks Joe. hahah
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 29, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1465447638464147461/photo/1
Post by: insanity on November 29, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
Elijah Riley isn't good enough for his own thread yet (though he's been pretty solid). This is pretty cool though. Especially if you want to feel old.He went newfield
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1465447638464147461/photo/1
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2021, 07:06:21 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2021, 12:27:25 PM
Brian Kelly making Bob Salad shovel snow for him as a GA.
Post by: reuben on November 30, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
https://twitter.com/WoodsFootball/status/1465723573092466689
Brian Kelly making Bob Salad shovel snow for him as a GA.
What a dick.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 30, 2021, 06:50:31 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 30, 2021, 07:58:44 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 30, 2021, 08:20:06 PM
Not sure why this info is surfacing again now. But Kelly has always been a dick.
I mean that was obvious when Cincinnati found out why he wasn't at the senior night dinner, but it always needs to be stated.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
@ProFootballTalk
·
2h
Thomas Morstead named NFC special teams player of the week.
Perhaps we kept the wrong punter.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2021, 12:55:17 PM
Virginia, UConn, Duke, and Western Kentucky. Maybe it makes sense why we suck.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2021, 01:01:00 PM
https://twitter.com/DataWithBliss/status/1466102603583008769/photo/1Draft only SEC players.
Virginia, UConn, Duke, and Western Kentucky. Maybe it makes sense why we suck.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2021, 01:18:43 PM
https://twitter.com/DataWithBliss/status/1466102603583008769/photo/1
Virginia, UConn, Duke, and Western Kentucky. Maybe it makes sense why we suck.
Yeah but Jacksonville is Ohio State, Miami, Florida, and Clemson (and University of Wyoming).
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2021, 01:26:49 PM
Yeah but Jacksonville is Ohio State, Miami, Florida, and Clemson (and University of Wyoming).Kind of funny that the highest percentage for any college is Temple with the Panthers. But not Baylor.
Post by: reuben on December 03, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
I didn't know this existed but good on MoMo for winning it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 03, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 03, 2021, 12:50:13 PM
We play them next week. Semen revenge game?
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2021, 01:44:01 PM
#Saints QB Taysom Hill is feared to have suffered a torn tendon in his middle finger that may necessitate surgery at some point, sources say. More tests are coming. The injury, called Mallet Finger, was one of the ailments that #Seahawks QB Russell Wilson had earlier in the year.Maybe we can move our first rounder into the Linderbaum zone.
We play them next week. Semen revenge game?
Post by: reuben on December 05, 2021, 10:11:04 PM
https://www.newyorkjets.com/community/my-cause-my-cleats (https://www.newyorkjets.com/community/my-cause-my-cleats)
Post by: insanity on December 06, 2021, 08:39:07 AM
I like the My Cause, My Cleats thing. I'm giving the style award to LDT. (Disclaimer: I have no discernible sense of style.)I'm down with this effort, but you shouldn't be allowed to wear yellow cleats. Everytime Sherrod neasman walked on the field with those cleats i thought the ref threw a flag
https://www.newyorkjets.com/community/my-cause-my-cleats (https://www.newyorkjets.com/community/my-cause-my-cleats)
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 06, 2021, 08:52:25 AM
I'm down with this effort, but you shouldn't be allowed to wear yellow cleats. Everytime Sherrod neasman walked on the field with those cleats i thought the ref threw a flag
I have the same issue with gloves with yellow palms.
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2021, 09:44:01 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 14, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
Post by: reuben on December 14, 2021, 03:44:32 PM
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
(https://c.tenor.com/JcWhw0YyCSQAAAAC/galaxy-quest-but-why.gif)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 14, 2021, 04:29:12 PM
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
This has to change eventually, right? By the law of averages?
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 14, 2021, 04:35:59 PM
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
This is insane.
Post by: casman02 on December 14, 2021, 06:50:39 PM
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
I was angered reading this article by ESPN last week where there were 7 teams who they said were hit harder by the injury bug
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32780223/which-nfl-teams-healthiest-homestretch-do-injury-checkup-all-32
No mention of our LT who has been been out 99% of the year. Not like teams need a pass rusher, LT, left tackle or a quarterback....
Post by: MBGreen on December 15, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
@RichCimini
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#Jets have been awarded international marketing rights to the United Kingdom, team announces. The UK will be their "second home," which means a big Jets presence in the UK, where owner Woody Johnson served as US ambassador. Sounds like they could have future games in the UK.
lame
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 15, 2021, 01:21:29 PM
Rich CiminiUgh. I would have been pissed if I were still a season-ticket holder. Now I'm pissed that we might have more 6:30 AM PT games.
@RichCimini
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#Jets have been awarded international marketing rights to the United Kingdom, team announces. The UK will be their "second home," which means a big Jets presence in the UK, where owner Woody Johnson served as US ambassador. Sounds like they could have future games in the UK.
lame
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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#Jets have been awarded international marketing rights to the United Kingdom, team announces. The UK will be their "second home," which means a big Jets presence in the UK, where owner Woody Johnson served as US ambassador. Sounds like they could have future games in the UK.
lame
You mean awesome.
They're not exclusive rights though, they're shared with Chicago, Jacksonville, Miami, Minnesota and SF.
Bizarrely Minnesota and Seattle get the whole of Canada.
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 01:24:50 PM
Ugh. I would have been pissed if I were still a season-ticket holder. Now I'm pissed that we might have more 6:30 AM PT games.
They're marketing rights, that's all. Guessing we'll play max one game there every two years, and it will only be a home game every other time.
Better than getting Spain or Germany or China or Australia.
Post by: MBGreen on December 15, 2021, 01:33:39 PM
You mean awesome.
They're not exclusive rights though, they're shared with Chicago, Jacksonville, Miami, Minnesota and SF.
Bizarrely Minnesota and Seattle get the whole of Canada.
Nah...i'll stick with lame
Post by: delavan on December 23, 2021, 02:03:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GvuWNwlmys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBECmRpQApQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPT3mTa7qOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4rKC46VYf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ClijtnPkfU
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 25, 2021, 08:22:05 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1474839410491461633?s=19
his child will end up playing tackle for us earlier than he will at this point
Post by: bojanglesman on December 25, 2021, 09:37:09 PM
his child will end up playing tackle for us earlier than he will at this pointShe'll have to give birth at 2 months just to excrement out this beast.
Post by: insanity on December 25, 2021, 11:32:28 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2021, 11:39:13 PM
I hate to say this, but I think we've seen his peak. I know IG isn't his life, but he seems checked out to me.
I don't know how your brain put this together but I will happily give it percocets to make sure it never happens again.
Post by: insanity on December 26, 2021, 07:13:30 AM
I don't know how your brain put this together but I will happily give it percocets to make sure it never happens again.If you follow him on Instagram especially his stories he seems more concerned with everything other than football.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 26, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
If you follow him on Instagram especially his stories he seems more concerned with everything other than football.
This might be partially because he can’t play football right now
It might also be because I imagine most people aren’t tweeting about their job. Sure lots of athletes do, but not all of them are 80% job focused. As of right now, suggesting the guy doesn’t love football because he’s hurt and/or his social media doesn’t say “I freaking love football” is some TGG nonsense
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 26, 2021, 10:00:48 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2021, 12:00:46 PM
#CultureChange
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 04:14:41 PM
McGovern is done for the last 2 games with an MCL injury. Feeney at center the rest of the way. Wonder who the backup center is now.
“Do you live within driving distance of Atlantic Health Facility? Does this helmet fit you?”
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2022, 08:41:22 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1478737271864107009?s=20 (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1478737271864107009?s=20)
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2022, 08:44:12 AM
Mosely won the Curtis Martin (Team MVP) Award:
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1478737271864107009?s=20 (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1478737271864107009?s=20)
He was really good this season. Just needs to be not quite as expensive.
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2022, 10:25:42 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2022, 11:49:38 AM
I don't think he was an obvious choice but I'm not sure who else would have deserved it more. Regardless, good for him.
He's been both overworked and productive in a season after completely reshaping his game and his body. If Maye stayed healthy I could see him being a solid #2 contender but even then I'd still have to give it to Mosely.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2022, 03:13:12 AM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1478826649676398592?t=xLDtsb44QOTK537r6ePA8w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1478826649676398592?t=xLDtsb44QOTK537r6ePA8w&s=19)
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2022, 08:13:10 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 06, 2022, 08:20:23 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2022, 08:31:53 AM
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2022, 11:15:39 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2022, 12:04:09 PM
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2022, 01:39:22 PM
I hope Badger gets kicked in the nuts once a day until he’s dead.I will continue to travel to and from NJ for future Jets games so that's about the same.
Post by: delavan on January 07, 2022, 12:06:52 AM
https://www.newyorkjets.com/cheerleaders/roster/
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 05:58:06 AM
On a lighter note, this year's Flight Crew has continued to show improvement from their AKC yearsImitating our roster doubles with Kaila/Kayla and the two Sams.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/cheerleaders/roster/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:11:54 PM
I do deserve compensation for damages incurred while traveling to and from NJ.
Jug handle
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 12:17:38 PM
Jug handletriggered
Post by: reuben on January 07, 2022, 06:28:45 PM
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Jets waived DE Vinny Curry.
Signed to a one-year deal in March, Curry spent the entire 2021 season on the reserve/NFI list after doctors discovered blood clots. It is unclear if his medical situation will allow him to play moving forward. Set to turn 34 in June, the long-time Eagle could likely contribute as a rotational pass rusher in 2022 if his health allows him.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 07, 2022, 07:00:08 PM
freak JD I HATE HIM
Post by: delavan on January 07, 2022, 10:00:00 PM
Imitating our roster doubles with Kaila/Kayla and the two Sams.
Nice catch nice catch
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
https://www.troyrecord.com/2022/01/24/sheldon-silver-ny-power-broker-sent-to-prison-dead-at-77/
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2022, 06:43:22 PM
Goodbye forever you crusty old bitchI pumped my fist when I saw that news cross the wire when I was on a zoom meeting. Glad nobody asked me why I randomly started celebrating in a Zoom meeting.
https://www.troyrecord.com/2022/01/24/sheldon-silver-ny-power-broker-sent-to-prison-dead-at-77/
Back-to-back Januaries where my heart is warmed by a douchebag named Sheldon dying.
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2022, 06:50:44 PM
Glad nobody asked me why I randomly started celebrating in a Zoom meeting.
"Uhhhhhhhhh don'tworryaboutit"
Post by: Miamipuck on January 24, 2022, 07:41:43 PM
Good I want to pee on his grave, that crooked player of the pink oboe is the reason we call that monstrous piece of dogshit for a stadium in the middle of a swamp that takes 50 years to get out of, home. We could have had an awesome stadium in the city I hope he is getting anally abused in hell for all perpetuity.
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 10:36:46 AM
@TomPelissero
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The #Jets worked out Canadian WR/TE Jevon Cottoy today, source said. Cottoy (6-5, 230) had 39 catches for 519 yards and 3 TDs last season for the CFL's BC Lions. More workouts scheduled.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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The #Jets worked out Canadian WR/TE Jevon Cottoy today, source said. Cottoy (6-5, 230) had 39 catches for 519 yards and 3 TDs last season for the CFL's BC Lions. More workouts scheduled.
Pretty cool story. Lots of very good tight ends have come out of nowhere, Antonio Gates is the best I can think of.
I still can't believe Donald Parham went undrafted and had to go through the XFL before making it.
Mo Alie-Cox is another tight end convert (basketball star) that's done a nice job in the NFL.
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2022, 11:01:25 AM
Pretty cool story. Lots of very good tight ends have come out of nowhere, Antonio Gates is the best I can think of.
I still can't believe Donald Parham went undrafted and had to go through the XFL before making it.
Mo Alie-Cox is another tight end convert (basketball star) that's done a nice job in the NFL.
I'm still annoyed that we've spent the last however long cycling through a seemingly endless sequence of scrub kickers, but apparently won't call the guy in Ottawa who is a freaking metronome.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 25, 2022, 11:34:33 AM
Pretty cool story. Lots of very good tight ends have come out of nowhere, Antonio Gates is the best I can think of.Personally, I am still waiting on the Rico Gathers breakout. I thought he was the next basketball-to-football breakout tight end.
I still can't believe Donald Parham went undrafted and had to go through the XFL before making it.
Mo Alie-Cox is another tight end convert (basketball star) that's done a nice job in the NFL.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 11:36:37 AM
Personally, I am still waiting on the Rico Gathers breakout. I thought he was the next basketball-to-football breakout tight end.
Gathers > Amaro
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 25, 2022, 06:47:19 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 25, 2022, 09:10:07 PM
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With all the head coaching changes, there are currently just 3 teams that can be forced into Hard Knocks this year:
Jets
Panthers
Lions
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2022, 10:35:44 PM
Those sound like horrible choices. I can't imagine hbo wanting any of them
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 25, 2022, 11:31:46 PM
Those sound like horrible choices. I can't imagine hbo wanting any of them
i think a preseason of having cameras follow around detroit's crazy coach and hearing all of the strange excrement he would say would make for amazing tv
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 26, 2022, 01:55:18 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 26, 2022, 02:24:35 PM
Panthers have no juice.
Robby Anderson would be a Hard Knocks star though
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2022, 02:25:27 PM
Robby Anderson would be a Hard Knocks star though
And watching Tepper and Rhule trying to pretend to be friends for the cameras would be entertaining as well.
Post by: ons on January 26, 2022, 02:30:26 PM
Campbell would be great, and the Jets are the Jets, so those aren't bad options for HBO. Panthers have no juice.
Best case argument for the Panthers is that they have a huge question mark at QB, and a QB competition might be compelling.
I'd guess it's the Lions though, a city like Detroit having a coach like Campbell and the promotional material writes itself.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 26, 2022, 02:39:59 PM
https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/status/1486438330313191433
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 27, 2022, 01:29:43 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 27, 2022, 08:28:02 AM
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2022, 08:20:17 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1488154467103129602?t=WXtveuR78Px7qI7xg60_mQ&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on January 31, 2022, 08:43:16 AM
Cavanaugh not returningGood...I wasn't a fan of his anyway. Hopefully Calabrese will earn his paycheck this year.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1488154467103129602?t=WXtveuR78Px7qI7xg60_mQ&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on January 31, 2022, 09:09:13 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Basically, do not expect a big-name veteran hire to replace Cav.
#Jets plan is to have LaFleur & Calabrese be the primary voices in Zach Wilson’s ear.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 31, 2022, 09:10:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 31, 2022, 09:18:15 AM
This is risky because both of those dudes are inexperienced with QBs
Hughes also mentions them hiring a Quality Control coach under Calabrese, but not to expect any earth-shattering hire.
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 31, 2022, 09:26:37 AM
Wonder what we'll do about a backup.
Saleh wants to bring back Flacco
Post by: MBGreen on January 31, 2022, 09:32:04 AM
Saleh wants to bring back Flacco
At this point, Flacco has to believe he'll never start anywhere else. So i could see this happening.
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2022, 09:36:23 AM
Saleh wants to bring back Flacco
Zach seems to get on pretty well with him, so if Flacco is ready to accept the role of mentor / coach I have no problem with that. Consistency is good.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 31, 2022, 10:39:22 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 31, 2022, 12:11:03 PM
Saints, Bucs, Steelers...maybe someone bites.
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
If they're going to bring back Flacco and relegate White to the third string, you may as well see what you can get on the market for him.
Saints, Bucs, Steelers...maybe someone bites.
Might want to spend a couple of weeks scrubbing any and all online evidence of the Bills game first.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 31, 2022, 12:33:47 PM
Yep, that's enough for me to bet on us again.
If Zach takes a huge Year 2 leap and the young defense takes a big leap, it's not completely insane. The Bengals and 49ers both made
similar 1-year leaps recently.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 16, 2022, 04:08:26 PM
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Jets’ collaborative meeting created a path for the future and a promising 2021 NFL Draft class
Did it work? Well, that can be subjective. Was it helpful? There’s no debate there. It’s why general manager Joe Douglas brought it up to Robert Saleh after the Jets named him their head coach last January.
In 2017, before he made his way up the New Jersey Turnpike, Douglas was the newly minted director of player personnel for the Eagles. Howie Roseman had hired him to be his right-hand man and to reorganize the team’s scouting department, all while working to learn the finer details of pro free agency. To help Douglas, Roseman and Doug Pederson, the team’s head coach, had a meeting with him. They went over every position on the roster so Pederson could explain exactly what he needed to make his scheme work.
Ahead of their first draft together, Douglas wanted to repeat the same with Saleh.
Saleh had slightly bigger plans. Why put a limit on it?
Bring all decision-makers together — coaches, scouts, executives. Explain what he and his staff needed. Leave nothing to the imagination.
So far, so good.
Succeeding in the NFL Draft is not easy. Ex-Jets coach Todd Bowles called it an “educated crapshoot,” a perfect description. No one actually knows. Ichiro Suzuki had a better average in the box than most of the best GMs do during draft weekend. If you come away with two, three starters in one class? That’s a success. If one of them is a star? You’re golden. More likely than not, though, there are far more busts than even low-level contributors. Again: “Educated crapshoot.”
That’s what makes the Jets’ last two drafts — both run by Douglas — so fascinating. In 2020, they selected nine players: tackle Mekhi Becton, receiver Denzel Mims, safety Ashtyn Davis, defensive end Jabari Zuniga, running back La’Mical Perine, quarterback James Morgan, guard Cam Clark, corner Bryce Hall and punter Braden Mann. Mann is the only one promised a starting job next year as Becton (with George Fant) and Hall (with Brandin Echols and Isaiah Dunn) compete. Morgan and Clark are already gone. Mims, Zuniga and Perine will likely follow. Davis is a backup.
The Jets aren’t willing to give up on the group yet, but the early return isn’t good.
In 2021, the Jets drafted 10 players. Most members of the organization are hellbent in their belief Zach Wilson (second overall) is a franchise quarterback. Guard Alijah Vera-Tucker (No. 14) flashed All-Pro potential in his first season. Receiver Elijah Moore (No. 34) and running back Michael Carter (No. 107) look like budding stars. Corners Michael Carter II (No. 154) and Echols (No. 200) showed they’re NFL starters. Linebackers Jamien Sherwood (No. 146) and Hamsah Nasirildeen (No. 186), safety Jason Pinnock (No. 175) and defensive lineman Jonathan Marshall (No. 207) all had their moments, too.
So much hinges on Wilson, who needs to grow in his second season after the Jets’ 4-13 finish in 2021, but that is a potentially franchise-altering grouping of players. A grand slam, to stick with baseball analogies.
So how were the same executives, directors and scouts able to successfully identity and acquire all of those players, after swinging and missing the year before?
Simple.
They knew exactly what they were looking for.
Douglas’ meeting with Roseman and Pederson was a more generalized overview of what the coach wanted. Pederson talked, explained, then Douglas relayed details to his scouts. That’s what he expected from Saleh, too, when he broached the idea of replicating such a meeting. Saleh went in another direction.
The coach and his staff put together an all-day presentation for not just Douglas, assistant general manager Rex Hogan and director of player personnel Chad Alexander, but, with the power of Zoom, every single scout employed by the team. It wasn’t just Saleh and coordinators Mike LaFleur (offense) and defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich (defense) who spoke, either. Every single positional coach took the floor.
They explained their scheme and system and why it worked. They went over the specific traits they were looking for in players to fit in their scheme. They left absolutely no stone unturned — there was no gray area. It wasn’t just speaking, either. Every coach came armed with film. They went over the finest details of the way they needed players to play, the strengths and the weaknesses they could live with and the ones they couldn’t.
If offensive line coach John Benton needed his guards to attack their first step in a certain manner, he used film to show Douglas, Hogan, Alexander and every scout what he meant. If defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton needed his players to shed blocks in a specific way, he also used film to show Douglas, Hogan, Alexander and every scout what he meant. That way, the Jets weren’t just scouting players, but scouting the specific elements of players this staff coveted.
A real-life example: Miles Austin stressed the type of movement he was looking for from his receivers, their route ability, lower-body control, and the excellence in breaking in and out of the seam. When the Jets began scouting Ole Miss receiver Elijah Moore, they realized he was exactly the player Austin described. The Jets drafted him in the second round.
Moore caught 34 passes for 459 yards and five touchdowns in Weeks 8 through 13 before suffering a season-ending quadriceps injury. That’s a 17-game average of 96 catches, 1,300 yards and 14 touchdowns.
The Jets hired Douglas in 2019, but he stepped in at a less-than-ideal time. Acting owner Christopher Johnson, who has since admitted his mistake, let then-GM Mike Maccagnan hire Adam Gase as coach, spend ferociously in free agency and select every player in 2019 NFL Draft … before firing him less than a month later. Douglas’ first few months as GM were a bit of a whirlwind. He needed to get himself acclimated, assess the state of the roster and get his guys in place.
The meeting like Douglas had with Saleh never took place with Gase — which may be a reason for some of the 2020 class’ struggles. Gase let his opinion be known on players, and who he wanted. He had healthy debates with Douglas. But Gase was fine with Douglas running point. The draft was his show.
The Jets then fired Gase after the 2020 season and replaced him with Saleh. Now, it’s all hands on deck to turn New York around.
Douglas and his staff had a nice selection of picks with which to work a year ago. This year is even better. Thanks in part to the trades of Jamal Adams (to Seattle), Sam Darnold (to Carolina) and Chris Herndon (to the Vikings) over the last two offseasons, the Jets hold two first-round picks (Nos. 4 and 10), two second-round picks (Nos. 35 and 38), a third-rounder (No. 69), two fourth-round picks (Nos. 108 and 114) and two fifth-rounders (Nos. 144 and 159) in the 2022 NFL Draft. The specific fourth- and fifth-round selections are not yet finalized as the NFL hasn’t announced compensatory selections.
Whether the Jets make each of those selections is another story. Douglas talked openly about the possibility of trading for a proven player during his end-of-year news conference. He also showed last year, in trading up for Vera-Tucker, a willingness to deal when someone he wants is available.
But one thing is clear: For the first time in awhile, the Jets have a map to point them in the right direction.
And following it certainly helped last April.
Good read
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 04:27:51 PM
Good readThe main takeaway I got from this is Douglas has an actual rapport with Saleh...and Gase didn't give a excrement which players were drafted.
Explains a lot when it comes to the difference in quality between Douglas's first 2 draft classes.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2022, 04:48:41 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 16, 2022, 10:38:56 PM
The main takeaway I got from this is Douglas has an actual rapport with Saleh...and Gase didn't give a excrement which players were drafted.
Explains a lot when it comes to the difference in quality between Douglas's first 2 draft classes.
It clear that the process Saleh brings to the table is what we need. Can he and Douglas execute it? Is Wilson the right guy to be the trigger man? We don’t know yet, but the man seems to have the process right, and that gives me so much more confidence than i have had in a coach in a long time.
As someone who has run a program (hs and not football) that started in the bottom and built it into a state champion, I can say without a doubt that process (and emphasis on said process) and sticking to it was critical in our growth as a program. Yes we had good coaches who could teach and we developed kids and made them better players to the point they were a tremendous unit, but we followed a process to get there.
Salehs process impresses me and I believe in HOW he’s building. I can’t wait to see the results on the field very soon.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:06:24 PM
Good readCan you source articles when you post them please?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 16, 2022, 11:12:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 17, 2022, 07:10:45 AM
Can you source articles when you post them please?
Source: deez nutz
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 17, 2022, 09:09:24 AM
Did Connor Hughes write that?
How'd you know?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 17, 2022, 09:20:07 AM
How'd you know?
He called Ashtyn Davis a backup and said that Bryce Hall was competing with Isaiah Dunn for a starting spot.
Only Hughes would say things this stupid.
Post by: ons on February 17, 2022, 11:48:02 AM
He called Ashtyn Davis a backup and said that Bryce Hall was competing with Isaiah Dunn for a starting spot.
Only Hughes would say things this stupid.
Haha, good call. Those lines did stand out as particularly weird especially at this point in the offseason. Still a nice fluff piece about everyone getting along this far into the Douglas/Saleh partnership, at least better than articles about rifts and drama.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 17, 2022, 11:55:55 AM
He called Ashtyn Davis a backup and said that Bryce Hall was competing with Isaiah Dunn for a starting spot.
Only Hughes would say things this stupid.
Thanks for answering. My sarcasm clearly didn't translate to text...
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 17, 2022, 11:57:54 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 17, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
I get that he's a reporter and not a football coach, but his lack of actual football understanding is extremely limited. It's why he only writes fluff pieces and talks about Spiderman.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 17, 2022, 12:24:09 PM
Did Connor Hughes write that?
Yes.
Can you source articles when you post them please?Quoted.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 17, 2022, 12:28:50 PM
Rich Cimini gets a lot of crap but he's at least tapped in.
I really wish the NYDN didn't screw things up with Chuck McDonald because he's awesome and probably the most knowledgeable beat reporter when it comes to OL/DL play that I can ever remember. He's also hilarious.
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2022, 01:07:11 PM
Quoted.
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.
Post by: Gorilla on February 17, 2022, 02:00:12 PM
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.
Along these lines, I was actually impressed that DJ Beans admitted this in the following interview (not that it's an amazing revelation to any grown-up with an IQ above potato)....getting clicks and wading in the controversy/clickbait cesspool is priority, above actual football knowledge and providing actual insight.
It's a long-a$$ interview, yes, but I enjoyed it, and what I'm referencing is near the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSiZhsdpF4
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 17, 2022, 02:22:03 PM
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.This. That's one of my biggest message boards pet peeves when people copy/paste the article without a link. I don't care if you copy/paste the article, but if you're going through all that trouble, at least add a link. Especially when I have no idea who is writing this, and it's a well-written article.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 17, 2022, 03:24:08 PM
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.
I could have linked it, but you need a subscription to the Athletic to access. someone on the reddit board posted so figured I'd share.
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
I could have linked it, but you need a subscription to the Athletic to access. someone on the reddit board posted so figured I'd share.
Subscription sites still need clicks so they can assess which writers get traction and which don't. Writers who don't get clicks aren't attracting subscribers.
https://theathletic.com/3126007/2022/02/14/jets-collaborative-meeting-created-a-path-for-the-future-and-a-promising-2021-nfl-draft-class/
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2022, 04:26:47 PM
That said if I'm ever copy pasting more than a few sentences I make an effort to always include the link
Post by: delavan on February 22, 2022, 06:50:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ochocinco/status/1495826158218321921
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2022, 08:01:46 AM
@RichCimini
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Speaking of edge rushers, Saleh says there's no Bosa or Chase Young in the draft, but still some very good ones. #Jets
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2022, 09:00:26 AM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Speaking of edge rushers, Saleh says there's no Bosa or Chase Young in the draft, but still some very good ones. #Jets
Saleh is correct
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2022, 09:42:38 AM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Speaking of edge rushers, Saleh says there's no Bosa or Chase Young in the draft, but still some very good ones. #Jets
Listening to it...this is some nice spin by Rich.
He said there are "no splash names like Bosa or Young"
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2022, 01:47:23 PM
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2022, 01:50:04 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/jets-owner-woody-johnson-bids-2-62-billion-for-chelsea-fc/Prrrrrrrt
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“What Chelsea need right now is longevity and stability when it comes to a new owner. Woody and his team think they can provide that,” a source told The Sun. “He’s run the Jets successfully and knows a huge amount about the sports industry.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 16, 2022, 04:07:45 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2022, 04:34:47 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/jets-owner-woody-johnson-bids-2-62-billion-for-chelsea-fc/
My ultimate dream is that he sinks so much into Chelsea and mismanages it that the best way for him to earn it back is to sell a controlling share of the Jets.
Highly unlikely but I'm allowed to dream.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
Would he be able to own and operate both? Or would he be more likely to sell if he gets Chelsea?
No reason why he couldn't do both. Khan, Kroenke and the Glazers all have/had NFL and Premier League teams.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
My ultimate dream is that he sinks so much into Chelsea and mismanages it that the best way for him to earn it back is to sell a controlling share of the Jets.
Highly unlikely but I'm allowed to dream.
Unlike the NFL, it is entirely possible to lose a excrement ton of money very quickly running a Premier League team. No salary caps, no revenue sharing, the importance of European qualification, and the risk of relegation all provide scope for things very quickly going funbags up.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2022, 08:00:12 PM
Good night and joy be with you all
https://twitter.com/alldayMAYE/status/1504247225324650497?s=20&t=3je_h_ZH2XotAgka5E6ZBA (https://twitter.com/alldayMAYE/status/1504247225324650497?s=20&t=3je_h_ZH2XotAgka5E6ZBA)
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2022, 08:48:20 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2022, 04:43:57 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 26, 2022, 08:26:27 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2022, 08:57:37 AM
bromance brewingI'd rather him do Ebony and Ivory with Elijah Moore.
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2022, 10:17:31 AM
I'm taking Saleh. Douglas is bigger but Saleh has the perfect balance of size and mobility, I reckon he could take most coaches and GMs in the league.
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2022, 10:26:27 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1508417424030322697
I'm taking Saleh. Douglas is bigger but Saleh has the perfect balance of size and mobility, I reckon he could take most coaches and GMs in the league.
If it's OL/DL, I'm happy.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 10:32:33 AM
If it's OL/DL, I'm happy.I don't see any sense in taking an OL at 4 or 10. A top 10 pick needs to be starting this year. Unless something unpredictable happens, it would be a big waste. Anytime after the 1st round, I'd be OK with an OL.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2022, 10:48:46 AM
I don't see any sense in taking an OL at 4 or 10. A top 10 pick needs to be starting this year. Unless something unpredictable happens, it would be a big waste. Anytime after the 1st round, I'd be OK with an OL.
If we take an offensive tackle in the top ten, Becton or Fant is getting moved
Post by: Libero_2 on March 28, 2022, 10:54:54 AM
I don't see any sense in taking an OL at 4 or 10. A top 10 pick needs to be starting this year. Unless something unpredictable happens, it would be a big waste. Anytime after the 1st round, I'd be OK with an OL.
Only way I’m taking an OL at 4 is if O have a deal in place for Becton or Fant which nets me more value than I should reasonably expect to get.
If Cincy wants to give me 31 for Fant and my edge is gone at 4 and I can’t trade down? Then sure that’s a way to improve the team.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 12:03:22 PM
Only way I’m taking an OL at 4 is if O have a deal in place for Becton or Fant which nets me more value than I should reasonably expect to get.Which is why it makes no sense.
If Cincy wants to give me 31 for Fant and my edge is gone at 4 and I can’t trade down? Then sure that’s a way to improve the team.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2022, 01:01:30 PM
The only camp this coaching staff was here for, Becton reportedly got abused by Lawson every day. Then he got hurt and couldn't play, and now they still aren't even sure if he can play. And Becton is still young enough and talented enough where you can probably still get a 2nd-round pick for him.
If the Jets don't trust Becton's health or skills, taking Ekwonu and moving Becton for a pick makes a lot of sense. As of now, we badly need a better offensive tackle than McDermott just because we don't trust Becton. We probably need to spend a relatively high pick on an OT just as insurance for Becton (and Fant leaving).
If Becton's value is like a 5th-round pick, I agree it makes no sense. But I assume Becton still has good value around the league. If you're planning on taking an OT in the 2nd round anyway as Becton insurance/protection for Fant leaving next year, it might make just as much sense to just take Ekwonu. If Ekwonu is the RT, then finding a backup swing tackle isn't quite as important because presumably he is less likely to get hurt.
You could argue that the best case scenario for the Jets is...
4. Ekwonu
10. Jermaine Johnson
20's. Package Becton pick and 35 or 38 for a WR.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 01:17:37 PM
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2022, 01:28:42 PM
Why trade Becton at his lowest possible value?
This might be Becton's lowest possible value. I truly hope it is. But it also might be the highest it will ever be again. I trust Joe Douglas to know the truth. That man got three picks for Sam Darnold.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
This might be Becton's lowest possible value. I truly hope it is. But it also might be the highest it will ever be again. I trust Joe Douglas to know the truth. That man got three picks for Sam Darnold.There is little to no chance that the Jets have given up on Becton.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2022, 02:45:23 PM
There is little to no chance that the Jets have given up on Becton.When is the last time there was any positive news from Jets coaches regarding Becton? Has there ever been any positive Becton news since Saleh took over?
If Becton has another injury-plagued year or struggles again, he has no value next year at this point. Right now, he still has a good deal of value.
We don't know how much the Jets value Becton, but we aren't going to get the #4 and #10 picks in the draft again anytime soon. This is the time to reshape the roster using those assets to best suit our roster going forward.
If they don't trust Becton to stay healthy, then we need to have a quality backup. And they might just decide they think Ekwonu is a better player and a more trustworthy player, and then we can use the asset of Becton to fill other needs. If they aren't sold on Becton and they think Ekwonu is the best player in the draft, then it makes a lot of sense to do that.
Post by: MBGreen on March 28, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
When is the last time there was any positive news from Jets coaches regarding Becton? Has there ever been any positive Becton news since Saleh took over?
If Becton has another injury-plagued year or struggles again, he has no value next year at this point. Right now, he still has a good deal of value.
We don't know how much the Jets value Becton, but we aren't going to get the #4 and #10 picks in the draft again anytime soon. This is the time to reshape the roster using those assets to best suit our roster going forward.
If they don't trust Becton to stay healthy, then we need to have a quality backup. And they might just decide they think Ekwonu is a better player and a more trustworthy player, and then we can use the asset of Becton to fill other needs. If they aren't sold on Becton and they think Ekwonu is the best player in the draft, then it makes a lot of sense to do that.
From what little i've seen on twitter, it looks like Becton is training hard to get back into shape.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
When is the last time there was any positive news from Jets coaches regarding Becton? Has there ever been any positive Becton news since Saleh took over?I disagree. How would you feel if you were a GM interested in trading for Becton, knowing the team that knows him best is bailing after just 2 years?
If Becton has another injury-plagued year or struggles again, he has no value next year at this point. Right now, he still has a good deal of value.
We don't know how much the Jets value Becton, but we aren't going to get the #4 and #10 picks in the draft again anytime soon. This is the time to reshape the roster using those assets to best suit our roster going forward.
If they don't trust Becton to stay healthy, then we need to have a quality backup. And they might just decide they think Ekwonu is a better player and a more trustworthy player, and then we can use the asset of Becton to fill other needs. If they aren't sold on Becton and they think Ekwonu is the best player in the draft, then it makes a lot of sense to do that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
I disagree. How would you feel if you were a GM interested in trading for Becton, knowing the team that knows him best is bailing after just 2 years?You aren't giving up the same value that the Jets did in the draft. The benefit for another team is that you're getting a guy you probably had a top-15 grade on 2 years ago for a 2nd-round pick. The benefit for the Jets is they get more security at tackle with a guy they trust more.
If GMs aren't interested in trading for Becton, then it's a moot point, unless the Jets are just so fed up with Becton that they don't care, and I don't think that's the case.
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2022, 03:25:09 PM
Douglas and Saleh live and die by whether Zach is a success, so if they have concerns over Becton and particularly about his availability for 17+ games, then I won't for a moment begrudge them drafting a replacement.
Post by: MBGreen on March 28, 2022, 03:27:24 PM
I'd much rather have three great tackles than one. It's a much easier problem to fix.Then draft a Tackle in the later rounds
Douglas and Saleh live and die by whether Zach is a success, so if they have concerns over Becton and particularly about his availability for 17+ games, then I won't for a moment begrudge them drafting a replacement.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2022, 03:30:25 PM
I'd much rather have three great tackles than one. It's a much easier problem to fix.You might need 3 great tackles if you're going to rely on Becton if you don't trust his health.
Douglas and Saleh live and die by whether Zach is a success, so if they have concerns over Becton and particularly about his availability for 17+ games, then I won't for a moment begrudge them drafting a replacement.
If you trust Ekwonu's health (or Evan Neal's), you only need 2, and you can reinvest the cap space and talent value of Becton into another position.
Again, this is all contingent on...
- Joe Douglas thinking Ekwonu/Neal is BPA at 4
- Douglas not fully trusting Becton to stay healthy
- Becton having enough value around the league where you aren't selling at rock bottom value.
If 1 of the 3 things above is not true, then it doesn't make a lot of sense. But if they're all true, then it's probably prudent to make the move.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
You might need 3 great tackles if you're going to rely on Becton if you don't trust his health.#3 won't be true.
If you trust Ekwonu's health (or Evan Neal's), you only need 2, and you can reinvest the cap space and talent value of Becton into another position.
Again, this is all contingent on...
- Joe Douglas thinking Ekwonu/Neal is BPA at 4
- Douglas not fully trusting Becton to stay healthy
- Becton having enough value around the league where you aren't selling at rock bottom value.
If 1 of the 3 things above is not true, then it doesn't make a lot of sense. But if they're all true, then it's probably prudent to make the move.
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2022, 03:37:50 PM
Then draft a Tackle in the later rounds
Project tackle is a luxury you don't need to call on just yet. If there are concerns about Becton, and it's obviously only hypothetical, then it probably doesn't solve their problem if they're choosing between the unfit guy and the not ready guy.
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2022, 03:40:20 PM
Then draft a Tackle in the later rounds
That's mandatory even if we do believe in Becton. If we don't, it's a much higher priority.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 03:40:21 PM
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2022, 03:41:14 PM
Imagine drafting Ekwonu at 4 and have him on the bench because Becton is healthy.
I'd cry all the way to the playoffs.
Post by: MBGreen on March 28, 2022, 03:41:30 PM
Imagine drafting Ekwonu at 4 and have him on the bench because Becton is healthy.Ekwonu would've made sense if we didn't sign Laken Tomlinson.
Post by: reuben on March 28, 2022, 03:43:58 PM
There's sunshine in you yet, bo.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 28, 2022, 03:47:27 PM
I like that the poster in a self-described, long-term SOJ k-hole believes in Becton the hardest.I agree, I'm the biggest hater of all things Jets on here right now.
There's sunshine in you yet, bo.
I'm not saying I believe Becton won't get hurt again, I just don't believe Joe Douglas will trade his signature draft pick at LT in only 2 years when he's played well when healthy. Different story if he was shitting himself on the field. Different story if he gets hurt again for extended time this year.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2022, 04:42:45 PM
Project tackle is a luxury you don't need to call on just yet.
Taking a tackle at 4 seems like much more of a "luxury" move than taking one on day 2.
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2022, 04:57:38 PM
Taking a tackle at 4 seems like much more of a "luxury" move than taking one on day 2.
I don't consider purchasing insurance for my most valuable possessions to be a luxury. That said, I do think it's more likely that if they were concerned about Becton they'd have signed a vet as insurance - if we draft one high it probably means they've given up on him, and that would be a little surprising.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2022, 05:01:09 PM
I don't consider purchasing insurance for my most valuable possessions to be a luxury.
It is if the premium is too high.
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2022, 05:05:23 PM
Do it.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2022, 05:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1508922749745516552
Do it.
Is this a normal takeaway from the owners meetings?
I feel like outside of a franchise QB or the entire state of your franchise, it's a pecicular subject to be brought up at the owners meeting
Post by: Libero_2 on March 29, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Is this a normal takeaway from the owners meetings?
I feel like outside of a franchise QB or the entire state of your franchise, it's a pecicular subject to be brought up at the owners meeting
I think it’s reading between the lines from the press conferences of Saleh and Douglas as they talked about hill, trades and the idea of adding a WR to the roster
Post by: MBGreen on March 29, 2022, 07:04:54 PM
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Kenny Yeboah
@Kenny_Yeboah84
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Jets fans are definitely top 5 fans in the NFL. No doubt in my mind… they every and anywhere 🤣💚 S/o y’all!!
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Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2022, 08:39:13 PM
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1509630111322198028
Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2022, 09:05:03 PM
That's nice then.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1509630111322198028
so much for your guaranteed playoff berth
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2022, 09:12:46 PM
so much for your guaranteed playoff berthIt's happening.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 31, 2022, 10:44:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2022, 08:01:43 PM
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I don't hate the idea of trading for brown, I just don't want to give up #10 for him
Any permutation of lesser compensation I'd be okay with. But the idea of giving up way more than the Phins gave up for hill doesn't sit well with me, despite brown being younger and having a strong relationship with our young budding star
Post by: Jumbo on April 03, 2022, 08:04:52 PM
I very much do not like this, if true
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I know, imagine how much cap space a good player would take up
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2022, 08:27:07 PM
I know, imagine how much cap space a good player would take upAnd think what you could get with #10. Why, it could even be a receiver almost as good as AJ Brown.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 03, 2022, 08:29:29 PM
I very much do not like this, if trueHe's good and still 24. Proven commodity, he IS good, we don't have to hope that he develops. Only downside is having to pay him a lot. We could only hope our #10 pick would be as good as him. Maybe they could give up 10 and get back a 3rd or something.
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I don't hate the idea of trading for brown, I just don't want to give up #10 for him
Any permutation of lesser compensation I'd be okay with. But the idea of giving up way more than the Phins gave up for hill doesn't sit well with me, despite brown being younger and having a strong relationship with our young budding star
I think it's a moot point though because neither him or Metcalf will end up here.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 03, 2022, 08:32:18 PM
I very much do not like this, if true
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I don't hate the idea of trading for brown, I just don't want to give up #10 for him
Any permutation of lesser compensation I'd be okay with. But the idea of giving up way more than the Phins gave up for hill doesn't sit well with me, despite brown being younger and having a strong relationship with our young budding star
In a way I prefer to give up 10 to the 5 picks Miami gave up. In my mind if we traded 35 and 38 one of the most likely outcomes for 10 is a trade down to get back one of those picks we lost.
If we can get a Brown or a Metcalf, that’s easily the best way we can use #10 in my eyes
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 03, 2022, 11:21:55 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 04, 2022, 09:58:36 AM
you give up #10 in a second for either brown or metcalf
So we're saying Metcalf/Brown is better than Hill...who we offered two second round picks for?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 04, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
So we're saying Metcalf/Brown is better than Hill...who we offered two second round picks for?
They are much younger and not turds off the field
Post by: Libero_2 on April 04, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
They are much younger and not turds off the field
And also I think a better fit for what I thought we wanted our offense to do.
But hell if we can get either for the package we gave up for Hill (or less) than it’s a damned home run deal
But I’ll say that neither Tennessee or Seattle needs to trade their guy now. So we need to pay up to “convince them” to move him today instead of next summer
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 04, 2022, 12:26:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2022, 12:53:55 PM
And also I think a better fit for what I thought we wanted our offense to do.
But hell if we can get either for the package we gave up for Hill (or less) than it’s a damned home run deal
But I’ll say that neither Tennessee or Seattle needs to trade their guy now. So we need to pay up to “convince them” to move him today instead of next summer
The question is does Tennessee have anyone else they may have to use the franchise tag on next year?
Because if you don't trade Brown now you HAVE to tag him.
And if the dude suffers a major injury this year wtf do you do then. Do you tag a guy if he has a torn ACL?
Their cap situation is pretty fucked so they can't extend him without majorly kicking the can down the road
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2022, 12:54:48 PM
The question is does Tennessee have anyone else they may have to use the franchise tag on next year?I think it's too far out to speculate about who could get tagged in 2023.
Because if you don't trade Brown now you HAVE to tag him.
And if the dude suffers a major injury this year wtf do you do then. Do you tag a guy if he has a torn ACL?
Their cap situation is pretty fucked so they can't extend him without majorly kicking the can down the road
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2022, 04:36:35 PM
I think it's too far out to speculate about who could get tagged in 2023.
You can certainly identify players who will need to get tagged if they don't get extended
Post by: reuben on April 05, 2022, 08:19:15 PM
Big Doug workin the phones.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 05, 2022, 08:51:56 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C)
Big Doug workin the phones.
doug knows you have to give the 10 up for DK
if there is any truth to this story then hopefully seattle's feelings change come draft time
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2022, 08:54:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 05, 2022, 09:00:05 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C)
Big Doug workin the phones.
Makes sense for us to make the call. But it doesn’t make sense for them to say no unless they legitimately think they can sign the guy.
Whenever their deals are announced, I expect DK to get more money than AJ Brown
Post by: Libero_2 on April 05, 2022, 09:02:53 PM
doug knows you have to give the 10 up for DK
if there is any truth to this story then hopefully seattle's feelings change come draft time
If you gave me the choice of drafting the following players at 10, whom would you choose?
DK Metcalf
Garret Wilson
Drake London
Jamison Williams
AJ Brown
Without question I’d rather have either of the actual NFL guys regardless of the $27 million we would be paying them.
Also I wouldn’t bat an eye if we traded
10
35
38
69
Corey Davis
To get both guys
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2022, 09:32:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 05, 2022, 09:56:28 PM
I wouldn't be upset if we offered 4 for him. I may be in the minority.
I’d want to get some other picks back from Seattle if we gave up 4.
Post by: MBGreen on April 06, 2022, 07:17:40 AM
I’d want to get some other picks back from Seattle if we gave up 4.
they'd have to throw in #9.
Post by: MBGreen on April 06, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2022, 11:03:52 AM
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1511734119658631170?s=20&t=iMX6cMrGQcaARLGsPMch2g
it's the same report
Bean is a day late and several dollars short (as usual)
Post by: delavan on April 06, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 06, 2022, 11:10:11 AM
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1511734119658631170?s=20&t=iMX6cMrGQcaARLGsPMch2g
Glad JD wants to pony up for the “right” guy. But it’s not helpful if we can’t get a taker for the pick.
It seeming increasingly likely we aren’t able to make “the move” for a WR pre draft. So we have to hope whichever guy(s) we draft turn into great players
Post by: Libero_2 on April 06, 2022, 11:10:54 AM
On GMF they had a Jets-Saints trade scenario (Jets get NO's #16 & #19, NO gets #4). worth it?
In my eyes if “our” edge is gone then yes it’s worth it. If not and we think we have a future all pro sack master sitting there in front of us, then no it isn’t worth it.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 06, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
On GMF this morning they had a Jets-Saints trade scenario (Jets get NO's #16 & #19, NO gets #4). Worth it?
draft pick value chart says the trade would be in our favor
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 06, 2022, 01:04:35 PM
@Connor_J_Hughes
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2022, 01:17:15 PM
Update: The report that the #Seahawks declined the #10 pick from the #Jets for WR DK Metcalf is NOT true, perI figured.
@Connor_J_Hughes
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2022, 01:17:47 PM
Update: The report that the #Seahawks declined the #10 pick from the #Jets for WR DK Metcalf is NOT true, per
@Connor_J_Hughes
water is wet
Post by: MBGreen on April 06, 2022, 01:25:03 PM
#hottaeks
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2022, 01:30:03 PM
Soyousaytheresachance.gif
Post by: Johnny English on April 07, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1512066695329837072
Post by: reuben on April 07, 2022, 02:03:40 PM
Coaching position, maybe?
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 07, 2022, 02:11:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wFr2JiK.png)
Coaching position, maybe?
Front Office/scouting?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2022, 02:45:33 PM
Bilal > Ty Johnson right now.
dcm is better than Ty Johnson right now
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2022, 09:05:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wFr2JiK.png)
Coaching position, maybe?
Front Office/scouting?Denzel Mims food taster?
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 07, 2022, 09:22:05 PM
Denzel Mims food taster?
Hostage situation?
Post by: Libero_2 on April 08, 2022, 06:36:55 PM
It’s quite clear JD wants an elite proven WR. He tried for Hill, inquired and was “seriously” interested in Calvin Ridley, he reportedly was going to offer 10 overall for DK Metcalf but Seattle won’t answer the phone right now. Evidence says we really want an elite young WR and are willing to pay up in picks and money to do it.
Evidence also suggests that none of the “big four” of McLaurin, Metcalf, Brown and Samuel are going to be available this off-season. But it also doesn’t seem any of them is about to get their extension at any moment either.
So what are the chances that at least one of these guys extension process doesn’t go smoothly? What are the odds one of these teams turns into a disaster this season and decides “well freak… we need to reset things at QB and we either don’t have the ammo (draft picks) or decides it’s dumb as hell to spend $25-$30 million on a WR when we need to rebuild?” I’d bet it wouldn’t be a surprise to anyone if in a year we are talking about the Titans falling off fast if Henry suddenly “gets old” and Tannehill sucks again. Maybe a guy like Justin Jefferson causes all sorts of hell in Minnesota if they don’t have the money to pay him (although he is further from his pay day than the others because of 5th year options…) or Scary Terry begs for a trade to go somewhere with a qb. While no individual situation seems incredibly likely, would it shock anyone if ONE of these guys is on the move in a year?
So what I am thinking is… while we obviously need to add a WR this year, unless that guy is an instant superstar, we very well could be looking to add a superstar WR next off-season as well. Especially with Corey Davis having an escape hatch in his deal next off-season. The problem is that we don’t have any “spare” draft capital next year. I really think JD is going to be looking at this situation if he can’t get his WR trade done this year, he is going to be trying like hell to figure out how to get additional early picks for next year. Given we had already heard those rumors earlier this off-season I expect Douglas is going to try like hell to acquire future picks. I think he wants to get down from 10 in a bad way. I’d expect he is trying to coax Pittsburgh to move up 20 or possibly GB from 22 or Arizona from 23. I’d be looking at that Giants/Bears trade as the comparison trade from last year if it’s for a QB.
For the TLDR crowd… WR trade doesn’t happen now, JD is going to try like hell to convert capital to next year to give him the flexibility to outbid people for that same guy next off-season when contract negotiations inevitably go south with one of those guys
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2022, 01:09:51 AM
I know guaranteed money is going to be key for him with his age/injury history
But things will get to a point where he may be one of the better options.
The question becomes at what value?
Post by: delavan on April 09, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
I really think JD is going to be looking at this situation if he can’t get his WR trade done this year, he is going to be trying like hell to figure out how to get additional early picks for next year.Waaay too early (spitballing) but WR or no WR if JD accrued additional 2023 early picks and could parlay them into moving up for Will Anderson, LFG..
Post by: Libero_2 on April 09, 2022, 11:14:09 AM
Waaay too early (spitballing) but WR or no WR if JD accrued additional 2023 early picks and could parlay them into moving up for Will Anderson, LFG..
I don’t think we will be within spitting distance of #2 overall unless we get Atlantas #1 next year.
But the idea is simple, JD wants additional picks to make “a move” whether it’s for a WR like he is trying to do this year, or up the board like he did last year for AVT. I just expect us to be trying like hell to get additional 2s in a trade back from 10 and to coax anyone willing to come up to 4 if it’s edge 1-2-3.
Unsubstantiated Rumor mill…. the Vikings are in love with Sauce and would need to get ahead of the Giants to secure him. 12+48+2023 1st would be an interesting move for us to make.
Post by: MBGreen on April 21, 2022, 09:12:11 AM
@OptimisticJets
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1h
Jets GM Joe Douglas and assistant GM Rex Hogan will speak to the media for their annual pre-draft press conference at 11 AM today. #Jets
for those interested in tuning in.
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2022, 01:30:19 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 08:23:43 AM
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1519304329051705350?t=ZaabDXipPG49iMeRteWxGw&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
Apparently the Jets have traded every first round pick drafted since 2014-2018 for 6 consecutive
Q is the next man up
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2022, 12:41:19 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 12:54:31 PM
https://twitter.com/PhillyWill11/status/1519368417849090048?s=20&t=wo63nYXXMoiNtdFOlk2gwQBleedat
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 12:54:50 PM
I assume this statistic has been floated numerous times but I never noticed it till now.We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
Apparently the Jets have traded every first round pick drafted since 2014-2018 for 6 consecutive
Q is the next man up
Also didn't we trade Richardson? So this stat would somewhat dip into 2013.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2022, 12:56:36 PM
We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
to Cleveland
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2022, 12:56:56 PM
We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
Yeah, we traded him to Cleveland for Demario Davis
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2022, 12:59:06 PM
Yeah, we traded him to Cleveland for Demario DavisOne of the best trades in Jets history, until we let Demario walk.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2022, 01:07:28 PM
until we let Demario walk.
Another Maccagnan special
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2022, 02:16:01 PM
One of the best trades in Jets history, until we let Demario walk.
Still waiting for Bowles to fix Darron Lee.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2022, 02:17:55 PM
Still waiting for Bowles to fix Darron Lee.
That move wasn't about Darron Lee (even though that pick was awful).
Maccagnan didn't want to extend Davis so he replaced him with Avery Williamson. Williamson wasn't a bad player and he signed for about $2M less but he wasn't the same kind of leader. Davis is also a much better player.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2022, 02:18:58 PM
That move wasn't about Darron Lee (even though that pick was awful).
Maccagnan didn't want to extend Davis so he replaced him with Avery Williamson. Williamson wasn't a bad player and he signed for about $2M less but he wasn't the same kind of leader. Davis is also a much better player.
1. I was just highlighting another stupid McCagnan move (drafting Lee despite numerous red flags).
2. Davis is also still serviceable.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2022, 02:29:31 PM
We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
Also didn't we trade Richardson? So this stat would somewhat dip into 2013.
I suppose Richardson was left out because we drafted that shitty corner the same year
But good call
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2022, 02:55:57 PM
The problem is he had many more horrendous moves.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2022, 03:01:09 PM
Maccagnan made some great moves. The Pryor-Davis move was phenomenal. So was the Brandon Marshall trade.
The problem is he had many more horrendous moves.
He drafted horribly and had pretty horrendous free agent classes too. He tore the team down when he was supposed to be rebuilding it.
That 2015 season was such a fluke. Geno getting knocked out and Fitzpatrick having the season of a lifetime.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2022, 03:46:12 PM
He drafted horribly and had pretty horrendous free agent classes too. He tore the team down when he was supposed to be rebuilding it.Going 8-8 with rookie Geno in 2013 was a much bigger fluke than 2015. No idea how that happened.
That 2015 season was such a fluke. Geno getting knocked out and Fitzpatrick having the season of a lifetime.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 04:02:48 PM
Going 8-8 with rookie Geno in 2013 was a much bigger fluke than 2015. No idea how that happened.Rex was actually good
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2022, 06:15:34 PM
Rex was actually goodI know what you're doing and I'm not falling for it
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2022, 06:38:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2022, 06:41:49 PM
https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1517556695379021824?t=LgELTaE0cKu8wK3yISp_rw&s=19
That's fine. "You'll get fewer goes at the guys no one wanted in the draft because you had too many opportunities in the draft" is a problem I think we can live with.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 06:42:18 PM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2022, 06:43:49 PM
https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1517556695379021824?t=LgELTaE0cKu8wK3yISp_rw&s=19
I didn't even know this was a thing.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2022, 06:44:38 PM
But 9 picks in the first 5 rounds is something I cns dig. Thoguh it would be nice to somehow trade back/out for an early pick next year
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2022, 06:44:45 PM
I didn't even know this was a thing.
UDFAs or a 90 man roster? I feel fairly sure you've got at least a passing familiarity with both of those things.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2022, 06:48:34 PM
But in reality we have 9 picks and I expect all of them to make the team.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 06:56:13 PM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2022, 07:07:14 PM
UDFAs or a 90 man roster? I feel fairly sure you've got at least a passing familiarity with both of those things.
I didn't read, I thought there was some kind of cap on the UFDA's you could sign other than available roster spots.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2022, 03:25:53 PM
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA)
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2022, 05:09:11 PM
Neat, I guess.Gonna suck for him when we trade out of round 2, maybe for Deebo, maybe to move back up into round 1, maybe just to get revenge on Revis.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2022, 05:12:15 PM
Neat, I guess.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA)
Guaranteed this fucker holds out over his rookie contracts
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2022, 06:30:53 PM
Gonna suck for him when we trade out of round 2, maybe for Deebo, maybe to move back up into round 1, maybe just to get revenge on Revis.
Come on, if that trade was going to happen we would have heard about Deebo looking for real estate in NJ by now.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2022, 06:36:51 PM
Come on, if that trade was going to happen we would have heard about Deebo looking for real estate in NJ by now.
To be fair with how fast the real estate market is moving it would be a waste of time for Deebo to be looking at any properties before his trade goes through.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2022, 06:41:23 PM
To be fair with how fast the real estate market is moving it would be a waste of time for Deebo to be looking at any properties before his trade goes through.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2022, 06:55:35 PM
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Oh come on, I thought that was pretty funny.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Oh come on, I thought that was pretty funny.
Maybe I just can't "Yes, and..."
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2022, 07:37:36 PM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2022, 11:41:43 PM
(https://omny.fm/shows/nfl-on-westwood-one-sports/draft-interview-ahmad-gardner-new-york-jets/image.jpg)
(https://imgcdn.socialos.io/web/files/61771d0ff1f70e205d4ceba7/1650647333079_Draft22_Generic_NFT_Back_NYJ.png)
(https://imgcdn.socialos.io/web/files/61771d0ff1f70e205d4ceba7/1650647319329_Draft22_Generic_NFT_Front_NYJ.png)
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2022, 11:42:31 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 02, 2022, 12:02:56 PM
https://twitter.com/cj_uzomah/status/1521164881252306945?s=21&t=eGbyUuHcHBWA1RazuvVw6w (https://twitter.com/cj_uzomah/status/1521164881252306945?s=21&t=eGbyUuHcHBWA1RazuvVw6w)
Post by: delavan on May 02, 2022, 09:26:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2022, 09:11:35 AM
@RichCimini
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14m
Some bookkeeping: WR Keelan Coles, G Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, TE Tyler Kroft and LB B.J. Goodson did not receive UFA tenders from the #Jets, so they are now non-compensable FAs under the compensatory system.
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2022, 10:20:08 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 04, 2022, 05:14:52 PM
Could be a DL target.
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2022, 06:25:32 PM
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1521976414169440257Do we not already have more DL players than we can use?
Could be a DL target.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2022, 07:22:43 PM
Do we not already have more DL players than we can use?
I would take him over Nathan Shepherd
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2022, 07:34:28 PM
I would take him over Nathan ShepherdOK, but I think it's already accepted he's gone. Who of our likely roster DL does he beat out?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2022, 07:36:09 PM
OK, but I think it's already accepted he's gone. Who of our likely roster DL does he beat out?
Tanzel Smart or Jonathan Marshall
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2022, 07:37:38 PM
https://v.redd.it/rz96zbhlfix81
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2022, 07:40:13 PM
NYJ vs NYG draft callsHahaha!
https://v.redd.it/rz96zbhlfix81
We just aren't classy enough.
Quote
This video shows the Giants culture and why Giants fans are the type of dudes who tuck their jerseys into jeans.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2022, 08:10:47 PM
NYJ vs NYG draft calls
https://v.redd.it/rz96zbhlfix81
Is there any scenario where we're not the obvious favorite for hard knocks next year?
Post by: reuben on May 04, 2022, 08:19:10 PM
Is there any scenario where we're not the obvious favorite for hard knocks next year?
We make the playoffs?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2022, 08:38:07 PM
We make the playoffs?
Would that not make us more likely?
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
Would that not make us more likely?
Teams who made the playoffs the previous season aren't eligible for selection.
- Made the playoffs the previous year
- Have a new head coach
- Have appeared on it in the last X years (I forget the number)
are the exclusion criteria.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 05, 2022, 05:13:52 AM
Hahaha!
We just aren't classy enough.
That is funny. And also doesn’t seem the Giants are really all that excited to draft those guys. It’s day 1 picks 5 and 7 if you can’t be excited to add those guys to your team something is wrong
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 05, 2022, 02:47:12 PM
MC's aww shucks arm swing gave me a bit of a laugh there.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2022, 10:34:40 AM
Jersey numbers released. Johnson getting the David Harris.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 06, 2022, 10:38:14 AM
Sauce and Wilson will buy their numbers from DJ Reed and Mike White.
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
Post by: MBGreen on May 06, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
Kellen Clemens says no
Post by: mj2sexay on May 06, 2022, 10:45:03 AM
Kellen Clemens
Has there ever been a quarterback that delivered a worse performance in a 23 point win?
Post by: MBGreen on May 06, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
Has there ever been a quarterback that delivered a worse performance in a 23 point win?
maybe...he's a handsome dude tho. #nohomo
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2022, 11:05:08 AM
These numbers will change during TCNo guarantee either Reed or White wants to sell those numbers. White probably more likely since he hasn't gotten a big contract yet, and because he might get cut anyway.
Sauce and Wilson will buy their numbers from DJ Reed and Mike White.
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
I don't think Reed is selling. He got 1 first. He probably looks at himself as CB1. Selling the jersey to a rookie who plays your position seems a little unlikely to me.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2022, 11:26:17 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 06, 2022, 11:29:01 AM
I was hoping Hall would stick with 28. That's a sweet number for a running back.
............
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2022, 11:39:38 AM
I was hoping Hall would stick with 28. That's a sweet number for a running back.It certainly was a sweet number for a running back.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2022, 11:39:55 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 06, 2022, 11:42:05 AM
Post by: Gorilla on May 06, 2022, 11:53:26 AM
I also think Ruck is getting 88 if we don't re-sign Cole.
I don't think Reed is selling. He got 1 first. He probably looks at himself as CB1. Selling the jersey to a rookie who plays your position seems a little unlikely to me.
I agree and I'd also be surprised if Reed gives up 1 to a rookie.
If GWilson has his heart set on 5, he's getting it from White lol.
But I don't mind 17.
Post by: Gorilla on May 06, 2022, 11:55:04 AM
Obviously, I wasn't thinking about Martin or retired numbers in general. Dez Bryant got to wear #88 after Michael Irvin so maybe Hall, as the most talented running back we've had since Martin, could get his blessing to wear #28.
Anything's possible, but Martin's number is retired, Irvin's never was.
Lamb currently wears 88, so Dallas has been cool with giving it out.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 06, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 06, 2022, 12:45:16 PM
I don't think Reed is selling. He got 1 first. He probably looks at himself as CB1. Selling the jersey to a rookie who plays your position seems a little unlikely to me.
Yeah there’s no way someone who referred to themselves as “God!s perfect human” is giving up that number.
Post by: delavan on May 06, 2022, 02:32:04 PM
Kellen Clemens says nohttps://www.newyorkjets.com/news/where-are-they-now-jim-turner
18 would be a cool number for himhttps://www.newyorkjets.com/team/players-roster/rodney-adams/
Or they can give him 25 after Ty Johnson's released.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2022, 02:43:38 PM
Or they can give him 25 after Ty Johnson's released.Not if they retire his number.
Post by: Cane on May 07, 2022, 11:02:06 AM
Sweet. I can get some more run out of time Tory Woodbury jersey.
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
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Post by: delavan on May 07, 2022, 06:12:56 PM
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2022, 05:26:30 PM
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2022, 07:14:53 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1524832726146236416
Post by: dcm1602 on May 13, 2022, 08:18:43 AM
I don't gamble but I'm tempted
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1524832726146236416
And yet we have so many cracked out on thinking we're a playoff team.
I think 5.5 is a bit disingenuous, unless the gambling community thinks Zach Wilson is a guy we give up on after year 2
But I guess I see 11 winnable games, and the thinking is we'll go 50/50 in them thus 5.5?
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2022, 09:54:54 AM
And yet we have so many cracked out on thinking we're a playoff team.Well the gambling community clearly thinks we're better than 5.5. It's the oddsmakers who disagreed.
I think 5.5 is a bit disingenuous, unless the gambling community thinks Zach Wilson is a guy we give up on after year 2
But I guess I see 11 winnable games, and the thinking is we'll go 50/50 in them thus 5.5?
Post by: insanity on May 13, 2022, 09:58:13 AM
Well the gambling community clearly thinks we're better than 5.5. It's the oddsmakers who disagreed.Which is usually bad
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2022, 10:39:39 AM
Which is usually badI can't find what line Caesars set for them last year so I can't really say how accurate they've been lately.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 13, 2022, 02:24:11 PM
I think the OU will hit 6 at some point. It is -160 to the over in some places.
But 5.5 is also tied for the 2nd-lowest in the NFL. 7-10 is an easy win with that OU.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 13, 2022, 05:10:22 PM
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The Bills are the consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl at sportsbooks. At Caesars Sportsbook, Buffalo has attracted more than the amount of money wagered on the odds to win the Super Bowl than any other team.
"This is a big year for them and certainly a big stage for them to open the season at the Super Bowl champions," Adam Pullen, assistant director of trading for Caesars Sportsbook, said in a company release. "They'll have to prove it right off the bat."
While the Bills are the favorites, the long-shot Jets have been garnering attention from bettors. At the Borgata in Atlantic City, New Jersey, there are more bets on the Jets to win the AFC than there are on any other team, and only the Bills have attracted more bets to win the Super Bowl than the Jets. The Jets are 5-point home underdogs against the Baltimore Ravens in Week 1.
I'm a little confused what this means about the Jets
Are they saying the Jets have more bets than any team to make it to the freaking super bowl?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/33909451/nfl-week-1-features-record-number-home-underdogs%3fplatform=amp
(and I get the bias of this being a NJ casino, but this is still freaking cracked out)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 13, 2022, 05:16:38 PM
I'm a little confused what this means about the Jets
Are they saying the Jets have more bets than any team to make it to the freaking super bowl?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/33909451/nfl-week-1-features-record-number-home-underdogs%3fplatform=amp
(and I get the bias of this being a NJ casino, but this is still freaking cracked out)
I'm no gambler, but I think it may be a function of people thinking the Jets will be significantly better than their odds are. That and people love betting on longshots, so might as well go with the one that seems better than their odds based on the offseason signings and draft.
Post by: Johnny English on May 13, 2022, 05:48:32 PM
Post by: delavan on May 15, 2022, 08:51:11 PM
https://twitter.com/beanthejetsfan/status/1525200393617145858
Post by: Libero_2 on May 15, 2022, 09:05:39 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 15, 2022, 09:13:03 PM
Odd that the about on the ground is Kyler Murray, a guy we don’t play and a guy I’m not sure any of our DL has a sack against in the NFL.
Maybe it was just the first image when someone googled "Sad sacked QB".
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2022, 01:31:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2022, 01:32:33 PM
I don't gamble but I'm tempted
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1524832726146236416
Let’s just say we’re going to Ricks this season
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2022, 02:22:57 PM
https://twitter.com/waynechrebet/status/1526190522024460288?s=21&t=rfucH2ozWcLhoWwBR-_5agThis gives me the sad nostalgia.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 16, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Breece is #20
Post by: insanity on May 16, 2022, 05:28:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 16, 2022, 05:33:09 PM
Clemons is 69As if he couldn't do more to endear the fan base.....
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2022, 04:20:19 PM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1526513859741229056?t=mx2G1qhGtWLRjcZwAY5tqQ&s=195 wins would be a disappointment.
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
6 wins would only be palatable if Zach looked like the real deal and other things (defense, injuries) held us back.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 04:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1526513859741229056?t=mx2G1qhGtWLRjcZwAY5tqQ&s=19
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
I'm not a sunshiner on this season
But the Steelers have no QB, and the Browns QB could be suspended.
So we could be 3-2 theoretically before getting our asses pounced by the Packers and Broncos
I think a 3-2 start is mandatory to have a prayer at anything happening this year
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 17, 2022, 04:23:05 PM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1526513859741229056?t=mx2G1qhGtWLRjcZwAY5tqQ&s=19
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
I didn't believe in Brady Quinn on the field and I don't believe in him as an analyst so I guess we're even there.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2022, 05:12:32 PM
I'm not a sunshiner on this seasonThe Steelers won't be a pushover with Tomlin there, even without a decent QB. They will grind down the game and wait for us to freak up.
But the Steelers have no QB, and the Browns QB could be suspended.
So we could be 3-2 theoretically before getting our asses pounced by the Packers and Broncos
I think a 3-2 start is mandatory to have a prayer at anything happening this year
I still don't see any evidence the Browns will lose Watson before we play them. With him there, we are the underdog.
Even still, we are just as likely to play badly as they are.
For this season to be good, we are gonna have to actually beat some good teams, not just load up on the shitty ones. When have we ever won all the games against bad teams?
I do think this team is legitimately better. But 10 years of shitty play has me saying I'll believe it when I see it.
I still say, 5-6 wins.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 06:15:32 PM
The Steelers won't be a pushover with Tomlin there, even without a decent QB. They will grind down the game and wait for us to freak up.
I still don't see any evidence the Browns will lose Watson before we play them. With him there, we are the underdog.
Even still, we are just as likely to play badly as they are.
For this season to be good, we are gonna have to actually beat some good teams, not just load up on the shitty ones. When have we ever won all the games against bad teams?
I do think this team is legitimately better. But 10 years of shitty play has me saying I'll believe it when I see it.
I still say, 5-6 wins.
Oh I don't think anyone is a pushover for this team.
We had the best draft in years on paper
But Zach Wilson has EVERYTHING to prove. And until he does, we're going to be one of the most talented horrible teams in the league
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 17, 2022, 07:29:53 PM
There isn't a single opponent in that group we are clearly better than entering the season.
That doesn't mean we will go 1-9 or 0-10, and our projected record in that batch of games will probably be something like 2-8 or 3-7 based on our projected win probability.
If Zach Wilson isn't the real deal, then we could easily be dead by late October again.
The goal is to get to 4-5 before the bye. If we have 4 wins before the bye, we have a chance to have an exciting 2nd half of the season.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 08:05:29 PM
We will probably be underdogs in our first 10 games this season.
There isn't a single opponent in that group we are clearly better than entering the season.
That doesn't mean we will go 1-9 or 0-10, and our projected record in that batch of games will probably be something like 2-8 or 3-7 based on our projected win probability.
If Zach Wilson isn't the real deal, then we could easily be dead by late October again.
The goal is to get to 4-5 before the bye. If we have 4 wins before the bye, we have a chance to have an exciting 2nd half of the season.
I'm not sure there's even two teams in the league were CLEARLY better than.
I could see us being favored in a few games this season, but nothing will be clear. I do see Wilson having a season like we've seen with Darnold. Probably struggle pretty badly most of the year, while having 3 or 4 impressive games.
We beat Cinci with a random dude at QB last year, so this team can probably upset a few big dogs
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 08:17:32 PM
If Wilson has a Darnold-like season with this supporting cast, it’s TVD SZN after the Bye.
I think Darnolds second season is optimistic for Wilson, and we should all be jerking off with excitement if his years like that.
Wilson has a much better supporting staff, but he really struggled last year so I'm tempering expectations
Obviously fantasy websites are just fantasy websites. But they do project his statline to be awfully similar to Darnolds second year just with slightly more YPG
Post by: mj2sexay on May 17, 2022, 08:50:25 PM
I'm expecting incremental progress from 4-13 obviously, but the schedule and the remaining deficiencies on the team are what they are.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 08:52:40 PM
7-10 is optimal, 6-11 is more likely.
I'm expecting incremental progress from 4-13 obviously, but the schedule and the remaining deficiencies on the team are what they are.
Aside from linebacker, I don’t think we’re that far off.
The QB will make or break this team.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 17, 2022, 09:09:21 PM
Aside from linebacker, I don’t think we’re that far off.
The QB will make or break this team.
Can’t be said any better. If Zach is the guy we will compete, if he’s just another pretender, we will get washed away early.
He’s saying and doing all the right things. But when push comes to shove can he put up? Or will he end up shut up?
Said another way, what are the biggest non-QB deficiencies? I’d say in order
1. LB - starter
2. FS - starter
3 OT - Veteran depth
4. DT - run stuffer for the rotation
5. LB/S - Depth (tied in my eyes)
If 3 of our top 5 needs are depth players for a specific role or part of the rotation, overall we are in a damn good spot. If the QB is average this team is going to surprise people and we will upset some teams people never thought we could compete with (Looking at you Denver)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 09:13:51 PM
Aside from linebacker, I don’t think we’re that far off.
The QB will make or break this team.
This is assuming our first 4 picks hit. I'm jerking off to our draft just like everyone else here. But if any of those picks don't pan out, we kind of suck at those respective positions.
I think Wilson and Sauce landing are the most important though.
You can argue receiver is still solid without Wilson, but I just have no faith in what David brings to the table. To me he's just never gonna be a #1
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2022, 09:16:27 PM
7-10 is optimal, 6-11 is more likely.
I'm expecting incremental progress from 4-13 obviously, but the schedule and the remaining deficiencies on the team are what they are.
We're winning 10 and going to the wildcard, as I keep telling people. I wish you'd all pay attention.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 09:18:53 PM
We have the same offensive staff in place. We upgraded the offensive line. We signed and drafted skill talent at WR, TE, and RB.
No more excuses.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 09:23:51 PM
We’ve spent twenty plus years making the same excuses for young quarterbacks.
We have the same offensive staff in place. We upgraded the offensive line. We signed and drafted skill talent at WR, TE, and RB.
No more excuses.
This year's excuse is going to be the schedule.
FWIW I've heard that Wilson has the hardest schedule of any QB (specific to pass defenses I assume) in the league this year.
But if Wilson is only respectably bad, that's gonna be the thing
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2022, 09:26:32 PM
This year's excuse is going to be the schedule.Nope, it'll be injuries as usual.
FWIW I've heard that Wilson has the hardest schedule of any QB (specific to pass defenses I assume) in the league this year.
But if Wilson is only respectably bad, that's gonna be the thing
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2022, 09:28:33 PM
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2022, 09:28:53 PM
You can argue receiver is still solid without Wilson, but I just have no faith in what David brings to the table. To me he's just never gonna be a #1
I don't necessarily disagree but I think you can argue that even if the Jets have 3 #2-quality WRs that's still an edge over most opposing CB groups.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 09:29:34 PM
Nope, it'll be injuries as usual.
This is the kind of excrement that curses teams
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2022, 09:30:57 PM
Where is it that Watson will be suspended by then?Total speculation.
This was the last tidbit we got:
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1526228226300944386?t=0MPDYnOsmqQQDev8de0hzQ&s=19
IF he gets suspended for any part of this season it'll be before the season and it'll be long enough to keep him out of our game. Brady got 4 games for deflating balls.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 09:30:58 PM
Where is it that Watson will be suspended by then?
You know, he’ll probably be suspended for Week 1 and Week 3 but not Week 2 because the Jets can’t ever catch a break.
Am I doing this right?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 09:31:43 PM
Total speculation.
This was the last tidbit we got:
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1526228226300944386?t=0MPDYnOsmqQQDev8de0hzQ&s=19
IF he gets suspended for any part of this season it'll be before the season and it'll be long enough to keep him out of our game. Brady got 4 games for deflating balls.
I’ll be pretty surprised if it’s less than four games.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2022, 09:32:30 PM
You know, he’ll probably be suspended for Week 1 and Week 3 but not Week 2 because the Jets can’t ever catch a break.
(https://c.tenor.com/VLNtUhD96zUAAAAC/revenge-of-the-nerds-angry-coach.gif)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 09:35:39 PM
If we can’t compete with Watson-less Cleveland and Pittsburgh then it might be time to start looking for another QB and another head coach
I wouldn't blame Saleh if Wilson is the thing keeping us from competing in those games.
I remember some torturous games with Sanchez where we dominated teams in every facet of the game but be single handedly tanked this team.
Of course if Wilson is that bad this year, there's a fair chance we're in a good spot to draft a QB next year.
But man that'll be seriously fucked if we end up with two QB's drafted in the top 3 that couldn't even it make it to year 4 of their rookie deals
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 17, 2022, 09:40:35 PM
Nope, it'll be injuries as usual.
Nothing will change.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2022, 09:40:55 PM
Nothing will change.Jets are a flat circle
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 17, 2022, 10:02:48 PM
FWIW I've heard that Wilson has the hardest schedule of any QB (specific to pass defenses I assume) in the league this year.
I haven't heard this, but if that's true, what a freaking joke. Didn't Zach face the toughest slate of pass defenses last year, too, or was that just amongst rookie quarterbacks? Either way, if it feels like the deck is always stacked against us, here's a perfect example as to why...
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 10:07:16 PM
I haven't heard this but if that's true what a freaking joke. Didn't Zach face the toughest slate of pass defenses last year, too, or was that just amongst rookie quarterbacks? Either way, if it feels like the deck is always stacked against us, here's a perfect example as to why...
I know Fantasy Football =/= real football.
But they do at least have statistical metrics as gambling is big business. And they seem to all list Zach Wilson as having the most difficult strength of schedule of any QB in the league.
Sure this is catered to fantasy football, but I'd imagine it would correlate fairly well with real football. My understanding is it's based off of fantasy points allowed against passers last year. But the difference between 30th and 31+32 is fairly significant. And the difference between the Jets and 31 is moderate too.
So unless anyone has a statistical analysis for QB specific SOS, the next best thing might be these fantasy football ones, which all say Zach gets it worse than any QB in the league this year
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 17, 2022, 10:13:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 10:14:33 PM
https://www.rotowire.com/football/schedule-strength.php
https://thehuddle.com/2022/05/17/2022-fantasy-strength-of-schedule-quarterbacks/
Two different metrics, two different lists, both have the Jets as clear cut dead last.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 10:19:43 PM
I haven't heard this, but if that's true, what a freaking joke. Didn't Zach face the toughest slate of pass defenses last year, too, or was that just amongst rookie quarterbacks? Either way, if it feels like the deck is always stacked against us, here's a perfect example as to why...
Going off of similar fantasy weighted metrics.
Zach had one of the easier QB centric SOS last year, as I've seen the Jets ranked roughly 10th.
The Jags Patriots and bears were all in the top 5 easiest, so presumably Zach was the hardest of the 4 big rookie QBs.
But yeah no matter how you slice it Zach is going from a fairly easy SOS to one of if not the worst
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2022, 10:22:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2022, 10:33:58 PM
Sure this is catered to fantasy football, but I'd imagine it would correlate fairly well with real football.
Matt Forte is a Hall Of Fame fantasy football player. Top 3 selection pretty much every year.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 11:01:33 PM
Matt Forte is a Hall Of Fame fantasy football player. Top 3 selection pretty much every year.
Yes
Had Forte played as long as other HOF rbs, I think he very likely would make it there.
Regardless I'm not suggesting we should all blow the fantasy football metrics makers.
Simply that they care about QB specific SOS (the nfl not so much), and they all have the Jets as having the hardest
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 18, 2022, 02:35:54 AM
We’ve spent twenty plus years making the same excuses for young quarterbacks.Yep. I agree. But the AFC is tough. Until the team proves it, we are an underdog, and the first 10 games are difficult.
We have the same offensive staff in place. We upgraded the offensive line. We signed and drafted skill talent at WR, TE, and RB.
No more excuses.
The one potential frustrating aspect is that the talent is young. I could easily see this being a year we start 2-8 and finish 7-10 or something like that. Lots of new pieces and young pieces.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 18, 2022, 07:44:40 AM
Yep. I agree. But the AFC is tough. Until the team proves it, we are an underdog, and the first 10 games are difficult.
The one potential frustrating aspect is that the talent is young. I could easily see this being a year we start 2-8 and finish 7-10 or something like that. Lots of new pieces and young pieces.
I think this team is a year away from making serious noise in the league but we absolutely should be competitive in most games.
I’m not saying playoffs or bust. I think we should expect 7+ wins and multiple upsets.
If we’re a bottom five team in the league again, it’s more than just the schedule.
Post by: Johnny English on May 18, 2022, 07:57:33 AM
Yes
Had Forte played as long as other HOF rbs, I think he very likely would make it there.
Regardless I'm not suggesting we should all blow the fantasy football metrics makers.
Simply that they care about QB specific SOS (the nfl not so much), and they all have the Jets as having the hardest
Forte played for 10 years. He had an astonishingly long career for a running back.
He was highly prized by fantasy football players because he was a great accumulator of stats, but he didn't really make a difference for the teams he played for. FF is absolutely no arbiter of a player's effectiveness.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2022, 08:40:13 AM
Forte played for 10 years. He had an astonishingly long career for a running back.
He was highly prized by fantasy football players because he was a great accumulator of stats, but he didn't really make a difference for the teams he played for. FF is absolutely no arbiter of a player's effectiveness.
Forte borderline didn't play for 2017, he was injured and or a backup most of it.
Look at running backs who have entered the hall of fame in the last 30-35 years
There are very very few who only have 9 seasons or less under their belt.
If Forte had 12-13 seasons he would almost certainly be in the hall
Regardless I'm not suggesting that FF is some ultimate arbiter of accuracy.
Just that they have financial incentives to create metrics that the nfl simply doesn't offer us.
If there was a QB centric SOS I certainly would agree it's more reliable than the fantasy football excrement
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2022, 09:11:52 AM
Peterson, Gore, Lynch, Mccoy.
They all have two to three (or more) seasons on Forte
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2022, 09:28:54 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2022, 09:43:02 AM
Strength of opponents for Zach Wilson ---> ? ? ? ---> Matt Forte's HOF worthiness
I think JEs point was Zach Wilson was going to turn Breece Hall into the next Matt Forte
Post by: Johnny English on May 18, 2022, 10:54:11 AM
I think JEs point was Zach Wilson was going to turn Breece Hall into the next Matt ForteNo, my point was that using FF sites as evidence of anything other than FF outcomes is not a great idea.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 18, 2022, 11:47:05 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 18, 2022, 11:51:59 AM
If Breece Hall has a prime like Matt Forte, we should be happy. He made a difference for the Bears. However, he didn't make a massive difference because it's hard for a running back to significantly move the needle that much.This
Forte caught everything out of the backfield from Cutler.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2022, 12:00:18 PM
No, my point was that using FF sites as evidence of anything other than FF outcomes is not a great idea.
Evidence? No
The only tool available specific to a very specific metric, despite its inherent flaws.
Yes
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 19, 2022, 11:07:52 AM
https://twitter.com/carllawson55/status/1527275998295003137?s=20&t=Q2-rhkiTTWjlpCsbJ7Sm_wp (https://twitter.com/carllawson55/status/1527275998295003137?s=20&t=Q2-rhkiTTWjlpCsbJ7Sm_wp)
I love this guy.
Post by: reuben on May 20, 2022, 11:13:58 AM
The Onion never misses a chance, man. They must have Jets fans on staff.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 20, 2022, 06:33:24 PM
https://www.theonion.com/embarrassed-man-frantically-clears-search-history-after-1848950799 (https://www.theonion.com/embarrassed-man-frantically-clears-search-history-after-1848950799)
The Onion never misses a chance, man. They must have Jets fans on staff.
Ok that is pretty funny
Post by: reuben on May 21, 2022, 05:59:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2022, 06:02:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTSuWd_UUAYGC7_?format=jpg&name=large)Breece Hall is a RB for the NY Jets.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 21, 2022, 07:22:52 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/e-tu1KPkCucAAAAC/the-simpsons-homer-simpson.gif)
https://twitter.com/carllawson55/status/1527275998295003137?s=20&t=Q2-rhkiTTWjlpCsbJ7Sm_wp (https://twitter.com/carllawson55/status/1527275998295003137?s=20&t=Q2-rhkiTTWjlpCsbJ7Sm_wp)
I love this guy.
is he wrong though?
peak era toonami-dubbed dbz with legendary music from bruce faulconer
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2022, 07:25:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTSuWd_UUAYGC7_?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/breeceh/status/1528126778534813698?s=21&t=fLjzK84wCcb3YTZITNE-tw (https://twitter.com/breeceh/status/1528126778534813698?s=21&t=fLjzK84wCcb3YTZITNE-tw)
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2022, 07:25:58 PM
is he wrong though?
peak era toonami-dubbed dbz with legendary music from bruce faulconer
Pleaes believe when I say I really wish we had him and Karlaftis on the same DLine.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 21, 2022, 07:32:09 PM
Pleaes believe when I say I really wish we had him and Karlaftis on the same DLine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYMK_LE8qH4
so good lol
Post by: Heismanberg on May 21, 2022, 08:49:06 PM
Why does he have the Kenyon Martin neck tattoo?
Post by: reuben on May 21, 2022, 08:55:09 PM
Breece Hall is a RB for the NY Jets.
source?
Post by: Johnny English on May 21, 2022, 08:59:38 PM
source?
Literally us, the New York Jets.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 21, 2022, 09:34:27 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ah1W7XPbAHE
Why does he have the Kenyon Martin neck tattoo?
lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo so suspect
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 22, 2022, 12:45:02 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ah1W7XPbAHEFantastic reference and horrendous tattoo.
Why does he have the Kenyon Martin neck tattoo?
Bad news for MEE-ky Becton.
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2022, 10:20:30 PM
source?Is Breece Hull inactive?
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2022, 09:02:44 AM
Post by: delavan on May 24, 2022, 02:32:58 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 24, 2022, 02:59:35 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/mike-westhoff-pulls-no-punches-about-key-jets-in-new-book/
I am not at all shocked about any part of the Mangini or Bradway blurbs.
Post by: Johnny English on May 24, 2022, 03:03:21 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 24, 2022, 03:05:10 PM
I will never, ever understand the Tebow signing. There is no way of looking at that team and finding a way for it to make sense.
Tony Sparano! Wildcat!
Post by: reuben on May 24, 2022, 03:17:35 PM
I will never, ever understand the Tebow signing. There is no way of looking at that team and finding a way for it to make sense.
It happened a bit prior to Woody Johnson knowing anything about football and a bit after he decided that he wanted to make bigfootballman decisions.
It's probably for the best that it was a huge disaster.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 24, 2022, 03:21:34 PM
I will never, ever understand the Tebow signing. There is no way of looking at that team and finding a way for it to make sense.
Rex Ryan didn't even try to use him. It was a move that made no sense and then poor coaching decisions made it even worse.
Post by: delavan on May 24, 2022, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2022, 06:06:09 PM
Was hoping Hamsah would've gotten a little bigger in the offseason.
Show him how it's done, Q
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album_2x/f_auto/jets/enibf5ghsaljjehjhfi6.jpg)
Post by: delavan on May 29, 2022, 06:16:25 PM
so what does 'the smartest person in the world' wear?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGc3jC9yas
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2022, 06:27:07 PM
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album_2x/f_auto/jets/gfdsxydnoydfu7dojnbl.jpg)Jesus q looks huge
Was hoping Hamsah would've gotten a little bigger in the offseason.
Show him how it's done, Q
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album_2x/f_auto/jets/enibf5ghsaljjehjhfi6.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
·
30s
Rob Calabrese had offensive coordinator opportunities this offseason, Robert Saleh says. He decided to stay with the #Jets as QB coach
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2022, 09:46:05 AM
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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30s
Rob Calabrese had offensive coordinator opportunities this offseason, Robert Saleh says. He decided to stay with the #Jets as QB coach
Yes, college football OC opportunities
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2022, 09:06:06 AM
@woodyjohnson4
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5m
Congratulations to @Revis24
, @nickmangold
and D’Brickashaw Ferguson! All three will be added to the Ring of Honor this season.
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2022, 09:12:06 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2022, 09:13:45 AM
Can't argue with any of those.
We would've seen Mangold's ceremony if the tailgate game was week 3 vs the Bengals.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 02, 2022, 09:37:31 AM
I might be able to make the Revis one and watch him get booed.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2022, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2022, 09:22:13 AM
Mack...
Kick Seth Walder in the nuts for us.
Based on their stupid, made up numbers Chicago has a higher chance of picking #1 but he still put the Jets ahead of them.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 08, 2022, 03:32:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2022, 03:39:22 PM
But I'd greatly prefer the Texans or Jaguars schedules
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2022, 03:41:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2022, 03:50:48 PM
The Texans and Jags have a slew of games against each other, the Jets, bears, giants, lions.
Essentially guaranteeing numerous wins simply because of the fact they're all playing each other more so
Post by: klaximilian on June 08, 2022, 05:20:13 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2022, 05:58:01 AM
Coach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4VYJGJIdzI
Jermaine Johnson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjbpzQGyxU
Johnathan Franklin-Myers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tymy5Y5KXM4
Berrios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jPl0fW6FPk
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2022, 07:43:23 AM
Corey Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE_JwdI_9xs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE_JwdI_9xs)
Brant Boyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_6J66fAMM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_6J66fAMM)
CJ Mosely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8P_94VQdCI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8P_94VQdCI)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2022, 10:57:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0epJ_Xb7o
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
Michael Carter called Braxton Berrios the "oldest young person ever"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0epJ_Xb7o
JFM looked honestly hurt.
Post by: ons on June 13, 2022, 07:09:33 PM
Michael Carter called Braxton Berrios the "oldest young person ever"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0epJ_Xb7o
This team is so fun, Michael Carter is a great personality
LaFluer mic'd up at OTAs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7mRjC_cx_s
Post by: Heismanberg on June 13, 2022, 07:21:05 PM
This team is so fun, Michael Carter is a great personality
LaFluer mic'd up at OTAs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7mRjC_cx_s
Extend Quinnen
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2022, 07:22:38 PM
Extend Quinnen
I don't like Quinnen he no sack enough
Post by: Heismanberg on June 13, 2022, 07:44:13 PM
I don't like Quinnen he no sack enough
How your brother is?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 14, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
@RichCimini
·
1h
Now have an up-close view of Becton: Not wearing a brace or sleeve or anything on his surgically repaired knee, which is good. Not gonna try to guess his weight. Sorry. #Jets
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 14, 2022, 12:53:19 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1536764105293455361?s=20&t=cwNqKG0LODITdob28LwOPQ
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 14, 2022, 03:32:56 PM
More from Dick
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1536764105293455361?s=20&t=cwNqKG0LODITdob28LwOPQ
Pinnock moving to safety is the right move.
Wonder what Dick thinks "svelte" looks like on a LT.
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2022, 08:21:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 15, 2022, 08:34:31 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2022, 11:45:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 15, 2022, 11:54:43 PM
I think that's Connor McDermott next to Zach, but who's the guy between him and Uzomah?
Mike White
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2022, 01:10:03 PM
Post by: Badger on June 30, 2022, 08:59:14 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2022, 10:05:25 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/vnua74/ask_me_a_jets_related_question_then_edit_your
I'm dying.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/vnua74/comment/ie9qepe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/vnua74/comment/ie9qepe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Post by: delavan on July 03, 2022, 09:54:32 PM
New York Jets Atlantic Health Jets Training Center Florham Park, N.J.. . . . July 19 . . . . . . . July 26
until then....... :-x
Post by: Badger on July 04, 2022, 03:52:13 PM
Who . . . . . . . . .Where . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Located . . . . . . . . . rookies report . . . vets reportLooking forward to the full detailed schedule so I can pick a day to go this summer.
New York JetsAtlantic Health Jets Training CenterFlorham Park, N.J.. . . . July 19 . . . . . . . July 26
until then....... :-x
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2022, 06:33:53 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2022, 07:33:22 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 07, 2022, 10:09:20 PM
Carton is getting a TV show? He basically ruined WFAN for me. Glad he doesn't make Damien unwatchable as well.
How is this poopchute getting gigs? He's AWFUL.
As you said, he ruined drive time FAN.
Post by: Gorilla on July 08, 2022, 10:40:37 AM
How is this poopchute getting gigs? He's AWFUL.
As you said, he ruined drive time FAN.
He yells a lot and says supposedly "edgy" things so he's amusing to a large group of morons.
He's a driven dickhead who has found his niche, like a version of Jim Rome/Skip Bayless but dumber and more of a dishonest, felon POS.
As you said, he is absolutely awful and clearly just a shitty person.
Post by: insanity on July 08, 2022, 10:43:22 AM
How is this poopchute getting gigs? He's AWFUL.How? He is literally the Trump of sports radio.
As you said, he ruined drive time FAN.
Says a bunch of idiotic excrement that gets idiotic people riled up.
Post by: delavan on July 08, 2022, 02:44:53 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 08, 2022, 08:30:02 PM
How? He is literally the Trump of sports radio.
Says a bunch of idiotic excrement that gets idiotic people riled up.
TDS is real and its spectacular.
Post by: delavan on July 09, 2022, 05:53:48 AM
TDS is real and its spectacular.
Q: why'd the chicken cross the road?
A: TRUMP!!
Post by: delavan on July 09, 2022, 06:27:00 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041450-robbie-anderson-jets-messed-up-sam-darnolds-development-rushed-him-to-start
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 12, 2022, 10:19:25 AM
Tix available starting on 7/14
Free Tickets here: https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?q=New%2BYork%2BJets%2BTraining%2BCamp&webSyncID=0c5337b9-36cd-5526-14a9-50aba41d95ad&sessionGUID=bb1a27bc-4ccd-cb23-3265-bb82ac4010d1
TC Dates
7/30
8/2
8/6 - Green and white game
8/8
8/14
8/19
8/20
Post by: Badger on July 12, 2022, 12:04:06 PM
Training Camp Schedule Released
Tix available starting on 7/14
Free Tickets here: https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?q=New%2BYork%2BJets%2BTraining%2BCamp&webSyncID=0c5337b9-36cd-5526-14a9-50aba41d95ad&sessionGUID=bb1a27bc-4ccd-cb23-3265-bb82ac4010d1
TC Dates
7/30
8/2
8/6 - Green and white game
8/8
8/14
8/19
8/20
Outside shot of me going to G&W or maybe the 8/14 practice (that would be a long-derriere day since I'd tentatively be driving to the Adirondacks after the practice).
I made it to one last year so I won't feel like I missed too much if I skip this year.
Post by: Badger on July 22, 2022, 08:14:56 AM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1550468860909953026?t=SQ87c7XcxxZnbKjRQa6bYA&s=19
Post by: Libero_2 on July 22, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Stealth black helmet
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1550468860909953026?t=SQ87c7XcxxZnbKjRQa6bYA&s=19
Clearly going all black against the Pats on Oct 30
Post by: delavan on July 22, 2022, 11:07:03 AM
Clearly going all black against the Pats on Oct 30
Hoping lady hips sees black that day..(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Antu_face-sick.svg/22px-Antu_face-sick.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Mac_1237_%281%29_%282%29.jpg/383px-Mac_1237_%281%29_%282%29.jpg)
Post by: delavan on July 25, 2022, 02:09:08 PM
https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1548671494905106436
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2022, 02:18:03 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 25, 2022, 02:22:59 PM
Is that Conklin looking like he's never blocked a defender in his life?
Conklin is much slimmer and covered in ink.
Maybe a tryout player?
Post by: Gorilla on July 25, 2022, 02:26:24 PM
Is that Conklin looking like he's never blocked a defender in his life?
No.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2022, 06:18:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2022, 06:23:34 PM
JE doesn't see color.
All I see is a man bun.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2022, 12:41:39 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1551968214279651333?t=Wfp92baoIlWr2h1U5GKZGg&s=19
Post by: reuben on August 10, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211 (https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211)
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 10, 2022, 01:32:02 PM
And in former Jet news...Wild that he's a 39-year old running back and he played for us 20 months ago.
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211 (https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211)
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2022, 02:29:45 PM
And in former Jet news...I'm surprised none of the posts labeled him as "former Jet" like they did with Kellen Winslow II.
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211 (https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211)
Post by: casman02 on August 17, 2022, 09:53:37 AM
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
#Jets RB coach Taylor Embree on managing the RB rotation: "I was describing it to my wife: I feel like it's Pokemon and you're just sending out your next Pokemon."
Post by: Libero_2 on August 17, 2022, 11:13:44 AM
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
#Jets RB coach Taylor Embree on managing the RB rotation: "I was describing it to my wife: I feel like it's Pokemon and you're just sending out your next Pokemon."
Thats probably a decent way to look at it if you dive into the context, different skills for different situations etc, but out of context thats just weird
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2022, 11:18:48 AM
Thats probably a decent way to look at it if you dive into the context, different skills for different situations etc, but out of context thats just weird
And completely unhelpful to anyone, like me, who doesn't know anything about Pokemon other than it's a children's cartoon and a game that at one point involved large numbers of people congregating in downtown Toronto staring at their phones.
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2022, 12:07:42 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2022, 02:21:38 AM
Not sure if Revis length of dominance will keep him from being a day 1 shoe in
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 26, 2022, 12:55:55 PM
Quote
https://twitter.com/OfficialNFLShop/status/1562799021231689728?s=20&t=35Vzz9KWPkxv1yyTAJ2ATQ
Our green sideline hat is atrocious. Looks like a green failed science experiment that hit the floor. How can anyone think "Hey that looks like a great design for a hat" is beyond me
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2022, 01:18:01 PM
Our green sideline hat is atrocious. Looks like a green failed science experiment that hit the floor. How can anyone think "Hey that looks like a great design for a hat" is beyond me
That looks like something that Spike Lee would absolutely wear.
Post by: delavan on August 26, 2022, 01:31:22 PM
Quote
https://twitter.com/OfficialNFLShop/status/1562799021231689728?s=20&t=35Vzz9KWPkxv1yyTAJ2ATQ
December: 75% off
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 01:49:46 PM
Our green sideline hat is atrocious. Looks like a green failed science experiment that hit the floor. How can anyone think "Hey that looks like a great design for a hat" is beyond me
MB wants 10 of them.
Post by: reuben on September 02, 2022, 10:18:03 AM
We were about 2.5 million over the cap, now we've got 9 million to work with.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 02, 2022, 12:14:41 PM
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1565713553281220609 (https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1565713553281220609)
We were about 2.5 million over the cap, now we've got 9 million to work with.
My guess is this restructure ties us to Mosely next year as well. Not a bad thing, but his albatross of a deal was nice to think we could get out of
Post by: dcm1602 on September 02, 2022, 04:49:45 PM
My guess is this restructure ties us to Mosely next year as well. Not a bad thing, but his albatross of a deal was nice to think we could get out of
It's possible. But it sounds just like routine cap magic spreading his cap hit from this year to future years
I don't think it would make us any more or less likely to keep him going forward
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2022, 11:27:38 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/x500gx/the_new_yerksey_jets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/x500gx/the_new_yerksey_jets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 03, 2022, 11:47:40 PM
Yo, WTF?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/x500gx/the_new_yerksey_jets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/x500gx/the_new_yerksey_jets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
yeah, tbh i think i'm more offended by the inclusion of western and upstate new york there than i am of jersey (which should also be only north and central jersey, and not south)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 05, 2022, 11:19:52 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 05, 2022, 01:21:45 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 06, 2022, 08:10:05 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 06, 2022, 09:46:40 AM
Jets are working out DB Jimmy Moreland
Slippin' Jimmy
Post by: delavan on September 06, 2022, 03:00:33 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1567143308446629891
Post by: delavan on September 10, 2022, 09:14:07 PM
Post by: delavan on September 13, 2022, 10:02:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyYcl2GlDNg
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2022, 10:30:20 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2022, 01:34:14 PM
Jets signed Will Parks to the active roster, per Zack Rosenblatt.
Ashtyn SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2022, 01:34:57 PM
• Eddy Pineiro
• Matt Ammendola
• Brett Maher
• Randy Bullock
• Cairo Santos
• Jason Myers
• Nick Folk
• Taylor Bertolet
7 of them will be their team’s kicker on Sunday (Bertolet on PS). Nearly 1/4 of the NFL.
Wtf
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
There are 8 former #Jets kickers currently on NFL rosters:
• Eddy Pineiro
• Matt Ammendola
• Brett Maher
• Randy Bullock
• Cairo Santos
• Jason Myers
• Nick Folk
• Taylor Bertolet
7 of them will be their team’s kicker on Sunday (Bertolet on PS). Nearly 1/4 of the NFL.
Wtf
My theory: Boyer might be trash.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2022, 01:54:52 PM
My theory: Boyer might be trash.My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.
I think we've just gotten unlucky with our kicker success recently. We did well getting kickers off the scrap heap for a while. Since we let Myers walk, that's been flipped on its head.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2022, 02:15:40 PM
My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.
I think we've just gotten unlucky with our kicker success recently. We did well getting kickers off the scrap heap for a while. Since we let Myers walk, that's been flipped on its head.
I don't think it's luck, I think someone in the organization is just bad at evaluating kickers and since I don't know the scouting department I'm going with the most likely source of input I can think of who has also been the common denominator in this run. I think Boyer either doesn't know what he is looking for or he's overconfident in what his training system can do.
I haven't done the research on this but this seems like an inordinately long stretch of having crap talent at both the punter and kicker positions. Longer than it should be for just luck.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2022, 02:17:04 PM
I don't think it's luck, I think someone in the organization is just bad at evaluating kickers and since I don't know the scouting department I'm going with the most likely source of input I can think of who has also been the common denominator in this run. I think Boyer either doesn't know what he is looking for or he's overconfident in what his training system can do.
I haven't done the research on this but this seems like an inordinately long stretch of having crap talent at both the punter and kicker positions. Longer than it should be for just luck.
This isn’t debatable. Whoever was responsible for how long Sam Ficken was employed needed to be let go
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2022, 02:22:56 PM
My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.
Does he not have any say in who we sign to kick and punt?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2022, 02:29:24 PM
Does he not have any say in who we sign to kick and punt?I don't think he's had much say in the punters. We drafted our last 2 punters. That's a GM decision. Boyer might have helped scout those guys, so maybe it's part his fault, but if Macc and JD are going to draft punters, they will give them every chance to succeed.
Kicker, maybe, but Boyer has been here since 2016. Our kickers were at 88% from 2016-18 with 3 different kickers (Folk, Myers, Catanzaro). Since then, we've been at 73%.
My opinion is that outside of a couple elite guys, most kickers are inconsistent and replaceable. Sometimes, they have good years. Sometimes, they had bad years. We don't have that elite kicker, so we're relying on the JAG tier of kickers and hoping to get good years from them. It worked for a bit. It hasn't worked recently. But if all our ex-kickers are getting jobs elsewhere, I think that helps prove my point.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2022, 02:36:56 PM
https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status/1442177746269057026?t=e16dYN7NmV12HeW5orj1cA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status/1442177746269057026?t=e16dYN7NmV12HeW5orj1cA&s=19)
Post by: delavan on September 14, 2022, 03:18:16 PM
My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.On a related note look at the Jets sketchy record securing consistent punters (TJ Conley, Kaare Vedvik(!)? lol)
I think we've just gotten unlucky with our kicker success recently. We did well getting kickers off the scrap heap for a while. Since we let Myers walk, that's been flipped on its head.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 18, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
Quote
Chad Johnson
@ochocinco
I mean this is the most respectful way, the Jets offensive coordinator job is so easy, he has Garrett Wilson & Elijah Moore, do you understand as football fans how easy it is to create mismatches & manipulate any defense w/ that kind of superior talent at the WR position
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2022, 07:28:45 PM
He's got to earn it and plenty to prove
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 18, 2022, 07:29:56 PM
I love the GW pick, but the dudes not a proven commodity yet.Of course, but he flashed like crazy last week, and he flashed even more this week. Awesome start for the rookie.
He's got to earn it and plenty to prove
Also, this is why I tend to like LaFleur. It was obvious last week that Wilson was looking like a stud. So we fed him this week.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2022, 07:32:23 PM
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Post by: MBGreen on September 18, 2022, 07:35:13 PM
Sure do you remember Stephen Hill's first two games here?freak outta here
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 18, 2022, 07:51:46 PM
Sure do you remember Stephen Hill's first two games here?Wilson has a higher cap number than Hill, so pressure is on.
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Post by: Libero_2 on September 18, 2022, 08:54:05 PM
Which is simultaneously embarrassing and mind blowing. But it means good times are ahead, if for no other reason than it would be hard to be worse
Post by: dcm1602 on September 19, 2022, 03:08:14 AM
Dude was an important part of the team before drafting Sauce
Post by: Libero_2 on September 19, 2022, 03:35:39 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 19, 2022, 10:58:10 AM
Hall was inactive today. They went with Echols over Hall. Echols played about as well as possible in relief of Sauce for those few minutes
I wonder does Hall end up a guy you shop before the trade deadline?
Or do you end up keeping him as an insurance policy since he's borderline playing for free?
I suppose at the end of the day the Jets probably won't trade him before the offseason unless it's for a player
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 19, 2022, 10:59:37 AM
I wonder does Hall end up a guy you shop before the trade deadline?I think Hall is like Mims. Sure, we would be fine trading him if the right offer was there, but neither has much value league-wide, so unless someone is willing to give us better than a 5th, just keep the depth.
Or do you end up keeping him as an insurance policy since he's borderline playing for free?
I suppose at the end of the day the Jets probably won't trade him before the offseason unless it's for a player
Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2022, 11:00:03 AM
Also, he's still young and he's shown flashes of real talent. As the team improves, so young players will improve by virtue of practising with and against better quality. I think it's far too soon to be thinking about trading him.
Post by: delavan on September 19, 2022, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: dcm1602
Sure do you remember Stephen Hill's first two games here?GW's a proven, polished receiver with athletic talent. Background: Ryan Day, period,
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Stephen was an athletic talent. Background: Paul Johnson's flexbone offense at Ga. Tech was "pass Neanderthal" compared to Ryan Day.
Stephen Hill 3 year career totals at Ga. Tech: 49 receptions for 1,248 yards and 9 touchdowns (again, 3 years).
Garrett Wilson stats for 2021 alone: 70 receptions for 1,058 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Night and Day
Post by: dcm1602 on September 19, 2022, 03:12:16 PM
But as we get closer to week 8, and some team with playoff ambitions loses a starting corner for the season?
I imagine there becomes a market at that point. That said realistically I guess I don't see a guy who can't even get on the field fetching more than a 4th.
And I'd be hesitant to imagine we could get even that
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2022, 03:34:20 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 19, 2022, 03:51:46 PM
Why are we talking about trading depth for a future pick that would likely be used on depth?
In my original post I did state I didn't think we'd trade him unless it was for a player. I was using the draft pick as a value reference more than anything, as I have no idea who will be on market player wise.
But Bryce Hall is just an interesting case in that he's by all accounts a good dude, and was a player most of us would have been content with being our starting corner had a corner not been BPA for us in the draft.
He's on a rookie deal, and deserves a chance to compete. I'd rather not get rid of a guy like that, but if he's gonna be riding the bench for a year and a half before walking I'd much rather trade him for a competent swing tackle or guard, or someone who will contribute now.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 19, 2022, 04:54:40 PM
Post by: Badger on September 19, 2022, 05:51:19 PM
Why are we talking about trading depth for a future pick that would likely be used on depth?You ever try and stretch your dick all the way back and put the tip in your derriere?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 19, 2022, 06:21:53 PM
Hall is staying on the roster for the same reason that Mims is staying on the roster; making sure we have someone who can go in case of an injury.And because we value that depth over the picks we can get.
If we can get a Herndon deal for one of those guys, I think Joe would consider it. But we have seen so many Jets teams see their depth tested, so unless we get a steal, I'm fine being deep.
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2022, 12:00:42 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2022, 12:17:56 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1572273360243138560
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2022, 12:40:14 PM
Mangold and Brick I'm not sure about, they're probably more Jets HOFers than NFL. Neither of them won anything; Mangold had a couple of All Pros and was a PB perennial, Brick has no All Pros and only a couple of PB selections but his durability record makes him notable.
Cro had that one ridiculous year with the Chargers but other than that his career wasn't spectacular. That one year might be enough though.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2022, 12:50:50 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
Revis has to be close to first ballot status, right?Revis should be 1st ballot. Mangold should get in eventually. Don't think Cro and Brick get in.
Mangold and Brick I'm not sure about, they're probably more Jets HOFers than NFL. Neither of them won anything; Mangold had a couple of All Pros and was a PB perennial, Brick has no All Pros and only a couple of PB selections but his durability record makes him notable.
Cro had that one ridiculous year with the Chargers but other than that his career wasn't spectacular. That one year might be enough though.
Post by: reuben on September 20, 2022, 03:45:45 PM
Quote
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Out of all safeties, regardless of snap count, Joyner ranks 110th out of 112.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
Post by: reuben on September 20, 2022, 03:48:53 PM
Post by: Gorilla on September 20, 2022, 03:51:08 PM
Kinda expected Joyner to at least be average.
Sorry, not me.
Joyner has looked like hot crap for two games. 110 out of 112 sounds about right.
His quarter-assed, missed goal-line tackle of Chubb led to our victory, so there's that!
eta: just realized, Badger, you might have been referring to expectations before the season started instead of current ranks after two games. I expected at least average performance too.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2022, 03:51:31 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2022, 03:59:02 PM
Joyner should be on a short leash. Was always risky to go into the season with him as the starter. He hasn't been a quality safety in a while.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2022, 04:42:11 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2022, 06:07:43 PM
Let Ashtyn Cook
Is he not more fitted to Whitehead's role? I feel like Joyner is there to be the ball player of the tandem - Parks flashed last season and he might be a better replacement for Joyner.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 20, 2022, 06:11:26 PM
Both safeties look like excrement.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2022, 06:26:31 PM
Parks might be starting by week 4.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2022, 06:30:12 PM
Sorry, not me.Yeah, I meant the latter.
Joyner has looked like hot crap for two games. 110 out of 112 sounds about right.
His quarter-assed, missed goal-line tackle of Chubb led to our victory, so there's that!
eta: just realized, Badger, you might have been referring to expectations before the season started instead of current ranks after two games. I expected at least average performance too.
The on-field reality looks like he's a big liability.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 20, 2022, 08:49:50 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2022, 08:51:58 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 25, 2022, 05:14:13 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2022, 03:33:34 PM
LOL. Shouldn't even finish the season as the DC.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 29, 2022, 03:50:35 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2022, 06:33:41 PM
Why is this coaching staff so horrible at speaking to the media?
Is LaFleur the best one?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2022, 09:35:49 PM
Is LaFleur the best one?Yes but the bar is very low.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2022, 10:37:56 AM
Why is this coaching staff so horrible at speaking to the media?Saleh now calling the reaction to that comment Bush league.
For a guy who was hired in part due to his communication skills, guy struggles to communicate with the media and fans.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 30, 2022, 10:46:17 AM
Saleh now calling the reaction to that comment Bush league.
Connor Hughes is upset. We'll never recover.
Post by: reuben on October 02, 2022, 11:25:21 AM
Big Bust throwing some light shade at Van Roten
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2022, 11:54:57 AM
https://twitter.com/eallenjets/status/1576615839192809472?t=jod0hYRvDY8bbeZuVoi8zg&s=19
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2022, 11:55:11 AM
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1576603256549089282 (https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1576603256549089282)Deleted?
Big Bust throwing some light shade at Van Roten
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 02, 2022, 12:27:45 PM
Deleted?
A highlight reel for Wilson where he asks who #62 is. Said reel includes GVR getting blown up quite a bit.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
A highlight reel for Wilson where he asks who #62 is. Said reel includes GVR getting blown up quite a bit.
The very first play of the highlight reel is Becton's injury in Week 1 last season
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2022, 08:38:01 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 03, 2022, 08:44:06 PM
https://twitter.com/SnailHatesU/status/1576604263308210179?t=SMXZiVb97UsMkB_l4o37vA&s=19
I hope a bird is shitting on MacCagnan right now.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 04, 2022, 12:29:44 AM
I hope a bird is shitting on MacCagnan right now.
Has that guy even worked for an organization since he was let go?
excrement, even Idzik found another gig after his disastrous tenure (which he idiotically opened his mouth on last year) here.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2022, 06:44:37 AM
Has that guy even worked for an organization since he was let go?According to his somewhat vandalized Wikipedia page, no
excrement, even Idzik found another gig after his disastrous tenure (which he idiotically opened his mouth on last year) here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Maccagnan
Post by: Heismanberg on October 04, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Has that guy even worked for an organization since he was let go?
He's probably sitting on an exotic island somewhere, surrounded by Dunkin Donuts cups
millions and millions of dollars to tear down an already shitty football franchise
Post by: MBGreen on October 04, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 04, 2022, 09:27:29 AM
Rich Eisen is a beauty
Post by: reuben on October 04, 2022, 10:09:51 AM
https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1576997110427197441?s=20&t=dkfNd3TrhuWWgIqOcwv0dA
Rich Eisen is a beauty
So bummed he's not on the basic sirius package anymore.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 04, 2022, 10:26:10 AM
So bummed he's not on the basic sirius package anymore.
I'm bummed he's not a play-by-play broadcaster.
Post by: reuben on October 04, 2022, 11:52:53 AM
What a class
Post by: Heismanberg on October 04, 2022, 11:54:31 AM
(https://i.redd.it/nqr1c1qdymr91.jpg)
What a class
Clemons smiling in the back is the best part
Post by: delavan on October 04, 2022, 11:39:17 PM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1576980431676723201
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 05, 2022, 04:26:11 PM
Quote
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-rankings-at-q1-of-2022-season-multiple-reps-for-jets-packers-seahawks?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
Jeremiah Top 25 Rookies
1. Sauce
5. Garrett Wilson
8. Breece Hall
18. Jermaine Johnson
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2022, 02:55:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1578106467793702936
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2022, 03:34:46 PM
Don't want to bump the Gase thread, but...
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1578106467793702936
It makes sense. As we have discussed many times before I think he's probably got an autist's eye for relentlessly breaking down video and analysing what's going on. He just can't read a game live and has a complete lack of man management skills, which is why designing plays for Peyton and letting him call them at the LOS based on what he saw was the perfect role for him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2022, 08:19:31 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2022, 08:40:31 AM
Breece and Sauce are both on the list for rookie of the week.Voted for both....LFG
Post by: Miamipuck on October 11, 2022, 08:44:42 AM
It makes sense. As we have discussed many times before I think he's probably got an autist's eye for relentlessly breaking down video and analysing what's going on. He just can't read a game live and has a complete lack of man management skills, which is why designing plays for Peyton and letting him call them at the LOS based on what he saw was the perfect role for him.
Sounds like ScotlandJet
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2022, 01:47:42 PM
Guys, what's going on with Elijah Moore?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 11, 2022, 01:56:23 PM
Moore is simultaneously the guy who...
- pretended to pee on the field after a big play in college
- helped A.J. Brown with mental health issues this offseason
He's an interesting character. Him tweeting cryptic things doesn't really matter that much to me.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2022, 02:03:48 PM
Post by: reuben on October 11, 2022, 04:00:53 PM
https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1579901942691942401?t=m3vZEWfgxJkh9HUsq7fp_w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1579901942691942401?t=m3vZEWfgxJkh9HUsq7fp_w&s=19)
Guys, what's going on with Elijah Moore?
Deleted... what did it say?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Deleted... what did it say?
Sheldon Richardson
Post by: Badger on October 11, 2022, 04:08:15 PM
Deleted... what did it say?Them true colors goin show...
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2022, 04:09:42 PM
Them true colors goin show...
I'm not a twitterer but as far as I can tell, that tweets not deleted
Post by: Badger on October 11, 2022, 04:14:29 PM
I'm not a twitterer but as far as I can tell, that tweets not deletedIt's still showing on Tapatalk in the tweet preview, but the original tweet is gone.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2022, 05:27:00 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1579945619212599297?s=61&t=6n7884_7zimTP5Cl9roG_A (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1579945619212599297?s=61&t=6n7884_7zimTP5Cl9roG_A)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 11, 2022, 05:53:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2022, 10:13:31 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2022, 10:16:48 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/videos/254894-stefon-diggs-almost-was-traded-to-jets
Diggs is awesome but that would've set us back tremendously.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2022, 10:19:00 AM
Diggs is awesome but that would've set us back tremendously.
He cost Buffalo a first, fifth and sixth in 2020 which means we'd have been deprived of the services of Becton, Bryce Hall and Braden Mann. I think we'd have coped.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 12, 2022, 10:30:00 AM
He cost Buffalo a first, fifth and sixth in 2020 which means we'd have been deprived of the services of Becton, Bryce Hall and Braden Mann. I think we'd have coped.
I will accept no Braden Mann slander.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2022, 10:33:15 AM
He cost Buffalo a first, fifth and sixth in 2020 which means we'd have been deprived of the services of Becton, Bryce Hall and Braden Mann. I think we'd have coped.
It isn't just about the draft capital. It would've bought Sam Darnold some more time, slowing down the start of the rebuild.
Post by: reuben on October 12, 2022, 12:01:35 PM
freak a blitz
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2022, 12:16:49 PM
Fire up the screen game, LaFleur
Post by: Badger on October 12, 2022, 02:23:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fezf6x1WQAABkn7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)lolbears
freak a blitz
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2022, 04:31:36 PM
I haven't been excited about an October Jets game since 2015. Been a while.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2022, 05:25:41 PM
This team is ...fun?3rd October game I've been excited for this month!
I haven't been excited about an October Jets game since 2015. Been a while.
- Steelers game was there to make the Jets somewhat relevant
- Dolphins game provided hope that this year has a chance to be in the hunt late in the season
- Packers game would really make playoffs a realistic goal
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2022, 05:32:21 PM
3rd October game I've been excited for this month!
- Steelers game was there to make the Jets somewhat relevant
- Dolphins game provided hope that this year has a chance to be in the hunt late in the season
- Packers game would really make playoffs a realistic goal
We've got a real chance to sweep October. That'd be an incredible run.
Green Bay is tough, so I won't be surprised if we drop one to them. But they are beatable.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2022, 05:58:04 PM
We've got a real chance to sweep October. That'd be an incredible run.If you all chipped in for me to go to Wisconsin I could guarantee victory. How much do you love the Jets?
Green Bay is tough, so I won't be surprised if we drop one to them. But they are beatable.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2022, 06:05:19 PM
If you all chipped in for me to go to Wisconsin I could guarantee victory. How much do you love the Jets?Is it refundable with a loss?
Post by: delavan on October 13, 2022, 08:51:41 PM
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
https://twitter.com/hashtag/jetsIs this what you meant to link? Because it's awesome.
https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1580640851960528896?t=NnSsnAcRX8Zeif00g7sX4A&s=19
Post by: delavan on October 14, 2022, 10:25:43 AM
Is this what you meant to link? Because it's awesome.Yes (thx B for re-posting it). Clicking on the link I posted I'm wondering what happened to the wise guy/jet rookie montage I originally posted. Anyway, what was also noteworthy was to learn that Sauce thus far is outpacing Stingley (LsU CB).
https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1580640851960528896?t=NnSsnAcRX8Zeif00g7sX4A&s=19
https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1580640851960528896
Post by: reuben on October 14, 2022, 02:34:23 PM
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2022, 08:01:15 AM
https://theathletic.com/3691437/2022/10/15/jets-coach-dan-shamash/
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — It was late in the fourth quarter against the Steelers and the Jets were losing by three points, but Robert Saleh wanted the offense to move slowly. The drive started before the two-minute warning and the Jets still had all three timeouts, giving them plenty of time to operate. Quickly, Zach Wilson got the offense into Steelers territory, which helped. After an 11-yard pass to Michael Carter, the Jets were at the 37-yard line when Pittsburgh called timeout, 1:31 on the clock.
This is around when Saleh started talking “Smash Ball.”
Wilson completed a 17-yard pass to Corey Davis coming out of the timeout. Meanwhile, Saleh was calmly talking on his headset with Dan Shamash, who sits upstairs in the box during games next to offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur, who calls the plays. Saleh was so confident the Jets were going to move the ball and score a touchdown to take a lead, he instead focused more on managing the clock.
After a defensive holding penalty, the Jets were at the 9-yard line, within striking distance.
Saleh asked Shamash: Do we want to take the clock down to 24 seconds, 20 seconds or 18 seconds before calling timeout?
“If we’re going to be aggressive, take it down to 18,” Shamash said. “If we want to leave room for a penalty, take it to 24.”
Saleh wanted to be aggressive, as he often does.
“There’s a lot of back and forth,” Saleh said. “It’s very comfortable because ‘Smash’ is very calm and he’s ahead of it. So those discussions are not: ‘Ah, just shut your mouth.’ He’s very smart.”
So after a 7-yard Breece Hall run got the Jets to the 2-yard line, Saleh waited to call timeout until the 18-second mark, as instructed. Hall punched it in for a touchdown. After the kickoff, the Steelers had only 16 seconds to go 65 yards, which they failed to do. The Jets won 24-20.
Saleh has gone out of his way to credit Shamash during news conferences for some of the Jets’ decision-making in crunch time this season. He pointed to the offense’s clock management before halftime against the Browns as another instance in which Shamash was particularly impactful.
But few outside the team really understand how important Shamash has been to the Jets’ 3-2 start.
“I’m a very small part of a big cog,” Shamash told The Athletic.
Shamash’s job title is “situational football/game management coordinator,” but his responsibilities go beyond that. He helps to coach the tight ends, educates everyone on league rules and regulations and is a big part of the Jets’ movement toward utilizing analytics.
He sits next to LaFleur on Sundays, and is in Saleh’s ear all game, preparing him for every possible scenario — and what the math (or the analytics) says is the right thing to do in any given situation. Shamash uses a “four-down analytics model” that takes into account factors like weather and injuries. “You’re going off that to a certain degree,” he said, “and there’s also a feel.” The model is put together by the rest of the analytics staff, which includes Brian Shields, Zach Stuart and Jeremiah Whitmire.
Every Friday, Shamash leads a five-minute team meeting educating everyone on league trends, rules and other things to keep an eye on. He’s normally soft-spoken and a self-described introvert, but his energy changes when he’s standing in front of the team, his deep voice booming across the room. That comes from his passion for teaching.
The players love Shamash.
“You mean Smash Ball?” Jets tight end C.J. Uzomah said, gleefully. “He’s smart as hell.”“On Friday, he’s got the stage,” Saleh said.
“That’s Smash Ball. And when he’s done, everyone chants ‘Smash’!”
As Shamash leaned against a door at the Jets facility to prop it open on Thursday, he nodded his head in the direction of the nearby mailroom, a reminder of where his career started.
In 2008, the Jets had just moved to their new facility in Florham Park. Shamash, from the Bronx, was fresh out of college, graduating from Carnegie Mellon, where he played inside linebacker. At orientation for an internship with the Jets, a 22-year-old Shamash asked general manager Mike Tannenbaum what he needed to do to stand out and get hired full-time. Tannenbaum told him: Your job is 9 to 5, but what you want to accomplish will come with what you do outside of those work hours.
Shamash thought: Well, then, outside of those hours, I’ll be here. He was working as the outside linebackers coach at Columbia University in Manhattan, so he’d drive an hour to Florham Park every night for his internship.
“I was the late-night guy,” Shamash said. He did anything the Jets coaches needed. Head coach Eric Mangini liked that he knew how to operate the music system during practice.
He also knew his way around the building, while some coaches were still finding their way in the new digs. One night, Shamash spotted a short, bald man with a beard wandering around, lost. It was the Jets quarterbacks coach. He asked Shamash where the mailroom was. Once they got to talking, they bonded over playing Division III college football.
That was Brian Daboll, now the Giants’ head coach.
Mangini was fired at the end of that season but hired as the Browns’ head coach a week later. He brought Daboll with him as offensive coordinator. Daboll called Shamash. They didn’t have a job for him yet but Daboll said they could use Shamash’s help transitioning their operation over to Cleveland. Daboll said he didn’t need to leave right away, but to come soon.
“I was like, ‘Yeah, right,’ and I just drove straight there,” Shamash said. He arrived around 6 a.m. after an eight-hour drive, called Daboll and told him he was in Cleveland. Daboll couldn’t believe it — and told him to go sleep for two hours and then call him.
Shamash was convinced Mangini only wanted him there to install their music system for practice, but he didn’t care. He’d take out the trash if it meant sticking around.
“The first thing they did was meet with me to figure out what they needed to order (for the music) and what they needed to get done in case I didn’t pan out,” Shamash said, laughing. “If that’s what the job ended up being, that was fine with me.”
Instead, Shamash made himself indispensable. He assisted Daboll for three months before Mangini actually hired him. He was living out of his Jeep Wrangler, in the winter, spending most nights sleeping in his office. He stuffed his cellphone in a desk drawer on his first day and didn’t remove it for months.
He’d see coaches like Daboll, Mangini, Rob Ryan and Brad Seely working deep into the night, so “it took me a while to figure out that people even went home from the office,” Shamash said, laughing. “It turned into a 4 a.m. rule where if you’re still at the office, you just stay. I did that every night. I honestly didn’t even know that people went home to see their families.”
Finally, they hired him as an offensive assistant, working primarily with Daboll on daily practice scripting, scheduling and game-planning while also assisting Mangini on everything to do with situational football.
“He showed up, worked, did whatever jobs we needed him to do at the time — and there were a bunch of them,” Mangini said. “He was so good that we couldn’t let him go. He created the opportunity.”
Just about every NFL team has an analytics department now, some more expansive than others. More recently, there’s been a trend of teams bringing on game-management coaches, variations of Shamash’s job. The Broncos made waves earlier this season when they hired veteran coach Jerry Rosburg to help Denver head coach Nathaniel Hackett, who was floundering in his late-game, high-pressure decision-making.
Saleh hired Shamash this offseason, and veteran coach Matt Burke had the role last year.
Mangini was way ahead of the curve — “Eric was very analytically advanced, especially for the time,” Shamash said. Mangini was a demanding coach but working for him became a crash course in situational football for Shamash. Mangini was always asking for detailed, uber-specific information, and often on short notice. An example: If the Browns were playing the Steelers, Mangini would demand information about how many times linebacker James Harrison lined up on the right side and dropped into coverage. Before team meetings, Mangini would direct Shamash to pull up clips from specific situations, especially end-of-half or end-of-game two-minute drill-type scenarios. Shamash said often he’d find out “20 seconds” before walking into the meeting.
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Post by: Badger on October 16, 2022, 08:03:27 AM
Mangini credited Shamash for developing a “database of all these different things that happened over time in the NFL, some of which are just mind-boggling and almost seem unbelievable when you’re presenting them to the team, like a giant comeback.” Mangini said Shamash would use the Jets’ Week 2 comeback — scoring 14 points in less than two minutes to overcome a 13-point deficit and win — to educate players in the future because “it’s just so ridiculously improbable. But those things that happen historically, you want to make sure your guys understand what’s possible, how it’s possible. And he was a big part of that.”
Mangini also had Shamash study officials.
“If they’re heavy on calling pass interference, then that’s something you gotta be especially conscious of. It could be offensive pass interference. It could be offensive holding, defensive holding, the crews have tendencies just like players have tendencies,” Mangini said, adding that the goal was “to make your guys aware of it so they can’t come back and say: ‘Well, I didn’t know they were going to call that.’ Well, we talked about that.”
All of that helped shape Shamash into what he’s become: the Jets’ purveyor of situational information.
“If (the Browns) weren’t going to be more talented than the other team — which we weren’t usually going to be — we were going to be more prepared. That definitely stuck with me,” Shamash said. “I learned all those things from (Mangini). Things like: How do you handle a two-minute warning? What does this ‘gotta have it’ situation mean to each person? It was an incredible experience and I don’t know where I am without it.”
Back then, Shamash wasn’t making any speeches to the team, though. “He’s quiet,” Mangini said. “Sometimes people can confuse someone who is quiet for someone who doesn’t have a lot to say. It’s not that, it’s just Dan thinks before he talks.”
In 2012, he was hired onto Greg Schiano’s Buccaneers staff as a quality control coach. Schiano brought other assistants with him from Rutgers, but many with game management responsibilities had little NFL coaching experience. During one game against the Cowboys, Shamash remembers turning to offensive assistant Jimmy Raye during a fourth down and saying: “Hey, we might want to go for this one.”
That Monday, Schiano called him into his office and said: “Why don’t you do this stuff for us?”
Shamash, still only 25, accepted the offer. He noticed that every other coach with a similar job around the league had been coaching in the NFL for a long time, so they had a backlog of knowledge and experience — which he didn’t. So, every Monday, Shamash watched every single game from the day before. He didn’t sleep much, he admits.
In 2014, Shamash became the Jaguars’ defensive quality control coach, joining an organization that was already heavily invested in using analytics. That’s where he met a linebackers coach named Robert Saleh.
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When Saleh was hired by the Jets last year, Shamash had a difficult decision to make. He had been on Anthony Lynn’s Chargers staff for four seasons, but when Lynn was fired and replaced by Brandon Staley — a coach at the forefront of the NFL’s analytics and go-for-it-on-fourth-down movement — Shamash had a choice: Stay in Los Angeles with Staley, or join Saleh’s staff.
Shamash’s wife was seven months pregnant with their second daughter, so he opted to stay with the Chargers. “It’s hard to say no to Robert,” Shamash said. Saleh instead turned to Burke, a longtime NFL position coach and former defensive coordinator.
This offseason, Burke was hired away by the Cardinals, so Saleh called Shamash again.
“I called him and said: ‘OK, bud, you ready to come home?'” Saleh said. “Thankfully, he said yes.”
Shamash and Saleh have chemistry built up from their time together in Jacksonville, and Shamash said that Saleh “has a great patience about him, which makes him very easy to communicate with.” That doesn’t mean they always agree.
Last week, after multiple touchdowns against the Dolphins, Shamash broached the idea of going for a two-point conversion. Saleh said no. Saleh said the Jets would’ve had a conversation about going for two at the end of their comeback against the Browns, but since Cleveland missed an extra point, making it a 13-point deficit instead of 14 points, it wasn’t necessary.
“We’re in constant dialogue,” Saleh said. “He gives me the information. He might say: ‘It’s fourth down, Coach. Analytically, we’re saying go for it.’ But then he’ll give me some other situations … then I have to make the decision: Do I want to go for it or not? Sometimes I take his request, sometimes I’m like, ‘Smash, here’s what I’m thinking, here’s why I’m not doing it.’ I think it’s a really good relationship.”
“By nature, he wants to go for it on every fourth down,” Saleh added, laughing. “He’s like: ‘Go for it! Go for two! Onsides kick!’ He’s very aggressive.”
Shamash laughed at that characterization.
“Inherently, I’m probably more conservative,” Shamash said. “I’m a believer in the saying that games are lost, not won. But at the same time, I’m not going in with the mentality of: Let’s not lose this. I’m thinking: What do we need to do to walk away with a win today? Whether that’s aggressiveness, or playing the game out, whatever the situation calls for … whether or not we play conservatively, no game is the same.”
Ultimately, Shamash feels like his No. 1 responsibility is to be a teacher. During a game, he’s communicating what he knows to Saleh, LaFleur, defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich and special teams coordinator Brant Boyer, with whom he worked in Cleveland. During the week, he educates players about everything to do with situational football, and the rules of the NFL.
“I’ve been playing for eight years and he’s bringing up rules I had no idea were even things,” Uzomah said. “There’s so many intricacies where I’m like: I thought this was this. And he says: ‘No no, no, trust me, this is how it’s seen from the refs’ eyes.’ I don’t usually think about it that way; I think about it from a player’s perspective. It’s things like that where we’re all just like: OK, I see you, Smash.”
Shamash’s Friday lesson before this week’s game against the Packers was on roughing the passer penalties, especially as officials have put a greater emphasis on those fouls in recent weeks. Shamash usually tries to get ahead of NFL trends.
“He says, ‘Put it in the bank,'” Saleh said. “That’s in his presentation. It might not pop up now, but it could in Week 16. So put this in the bank. He’s a very, very smart man. I’ll put him up against anybody with regards to rules and game management. He’s the best of them all.”
Last year, the Jets were outscored by 39 points in two-minute situations before halftime and at the end of the fourth quarter, per TruMedia. Since Shamash’s arrival, the Jets are outscoring opponents by 30 points in those same situations — the best differential in the NFL.
“As we continue to grow,” Shamash said, “you’re going to see wins stem from our situational awareness.”
It helps that the Jets have more talent than they did in 2021, especially on offense. Quarterback Zach Wilson is in his second year and surrounded by talented weapons and an improving offensive line. The defense has gotten better, too. The Jets made big additions on both sides of the ball in the draft and in free agency with Hall, wide receiver Garrett Wilson and cornerbacks Sauce Gardner and D.J. Reed. They’re all contributing.
Also, Smash.
He’s just happy to be back where it all started.
“This organization definitely feels like home to me,” he said.
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 16, 2022, 08:48:28 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2022, 11:35:34 AM
(great article though)
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 08:36:22 AM
https://twitter.com/Geraldini93/status/1581731925621821440?s=20&t=etQxrqfv04W9viLhZNEYnQ (https://twitter.com/Geraldini93/status/1581731925621821440?s=20&t=etQxrqfv04W9viLhZNEYnQ)
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 02:54:44 PM
https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1581978771334184960?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg (https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1581978771334184960?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg)
Post by: reuben on October 17, 2022, 03:17:14 PM
Easy money
Post by: Libero_2 on October 17, 2022, 04:17:01 PM
Looks like Bryce Hall will be available for trade until the deadline.
https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1581978771334184960?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg (https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1581978771334184960?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg)
I’m unsurprised. I’m only surprised Mims name hasn’t been tweeted back out
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 18, 2022, 12:03:01 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2022, 12:25:15 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2022, 01:17:02 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 18, 2022, 04:08:02 PM
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2022, 10:40:48 AM
Post by: reuben on October 21, 2022, 10:08:06 PM
Post by: delavan on October 22, 2022, 08:59:50 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
New England is the bigger game but we really would like to grab 1 of 2 minimum.
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2022, 11:30:00 AM
Jets next two opponents (Den/NE) will have been coming off short weeks. IF they win both they take a 5 game win streak into Metlife vs. Buffalo and then a much-needed bye with what could be a 6-3 record. However the soj in me is trying to fight the nagging concern that Sunday represents a desparate do-or-die Broncos team in Denver with a still challenging defense.Pretty much exactly how I feel. Buoyant and optimistic with a nagging fear of inescapable failure.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 22, 2022, 02:22:32 PM
Denver and New England are coin flip games on paper. We go 2-0, and missing the playoffs would be a disappointment.
New England is the bigger game but we really would like to grab 1 of 2 minimum.
i like JE am bracing for disappointment/failure as we are the jets, but both of these sorry derriere teams and franchises are there for the taking. i need this excrement so badly
Post by: delavan on October 22, 2022, 04:06:19 PM
i like JE am bracing for disappointment/failure as we are the jets, but both of these sorry derriere teams and franchises are there for the taking. i need this excrement so badlyI too (like JE) am bracing for disappointment/failure a la the soj clique .... whatever
(currently out west in 93921-3)
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2022, 11:31:16 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2022, 12:16:26 PM
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
Post by: reuben on October 25, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
Yeah. Also there was an actual competition at kicker this summer and we're reaping the rewards.
Post by: reuben on October 25, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2022, 12:23:55 PM
Braden Mann was PFF's highest rated punter last week, and is their sixth best punter on the season so far.Douglas drew a lot of criticism for Zuerlein and Mann after Week 1, rightfully so. I was mostly fine with Zuerlein, but I didn't get the obsession from the FO with Mann.
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
So far, so good with both.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 25, 2022, 12:38:33 PM
Echols is one of the best gunners we've had in some time. And we've had good gunners.
elite speed and he seems like a really smart football player
Hardee has also been fantastic this season
Post by: Libero_2 on October 25, 2022, 12:40:14 PM
elite speed and he seems like a really smart football player
Hardee has also been fantastic this season
Compared to last year, Hardee’s play is transformative. He’s playing like the guy we signed last offseason this year.
Post by: insanity on October 25, 2022, 05:59:54 PM
Braden Mann was PFF's highest rated punter last week, and is their sixth best punter on the season so far.This is surprising as seeing him punt live i thought he did not kick well. At mile high I would expect a punt over 50 yards
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
Post by: insanity on October 25, 2022, 06:00:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2022, 06:52:41 PM
Tevin Coleman released. Cut ty Johnson and sign this beast
They could have done that in April, so they clearly prefer Johnson over Coleman.
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2022, 07:03:35 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2022, 09:39:11 AM
Does He Know?
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2022, 06:44:54 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 28, 2022, 07:31:53 AM
That kind of makes the whole CJ contract worth it right there.
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
Post by: reuben on October 30, 2022, 05:33:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSuperAJ/status/1586511941115052033?s=19
Damn, there's a player I forgot existed.
Post by: MBGreen on October 30, 2022, 05:34:32 PM
Damn, there's a player I forgot existed.Snipes was pretty good back in the day
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 31, 2022, 10:10:49 AM
Quote
Rich Cimini
Jets have interest in Bradley Chubb, per King. Only this year left on contract ($7.1M). Trading team probably would want extension. Could cost a first-round pick.
So would you want to give up a 1st rd pick for Chubb??
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 10:13:22 AM
So would you want to give up a 1st rd pick for Chubb??
I'd prefer not to.
If our 1st round pick is being shopped, i'd prefer to bring in a probowl LT and Becton replacement like Laremy Tunsil.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 10:13:23 AM
So would you want to give up a 1st rd pick for Chubb??
I'd give up JFM, Moore, and a third for Chubb
I don't see the Jets winning many more games so I don't think it's worth trading away a pick ranging from 8-16 overall for an injury prone contract year edge player.
He's a great player when healthy but does he make us that much better?
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
I'd give up JFM, Moore, and a third for Chubb
this works for me
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 10:34:09 AM
I would love an OT like Tunsil, but the cap hit seems untenable.
We also would need to extend Chubb if we traded for him. We don't have unlimited cap space anymore, even with a QB on a rookie deal (especially if that QB might not be the answer).
A trade would be exciting, but I would be shocked if we gave our 1st-rd pick for anyone. Maybe something like Moore and a 2, but would the Broncos even want Moore?
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 10:44:06 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 10:45:23 AM
Tunsil is a free agent end of next year, so you'd also have to consider whether you could extend him and if you'd want to.
If you trade for Tunsil, Conklin, or Chubb, there has to be an extension in play
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 10:48:59 AM
If you trade for Tunsil, Conklin, or Chubb, there has to be an extension in play
Especially as Duane Brown isn't a problem this season, other than the concern of his injury recurring. He's not a long term option but we're not in desperate need of a LT this season.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 11:28:27 AM
Especially as Duane Brown isn't a problem this season
You sure about that?
He allowed 8 pressured yesterday
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 AM
You sure about that?
He allowed 8 pressured yesterday
Ouch. Didn't realise he was that bad. Still, he's generally been OK this season. Nice easy assignment next week as well, he's just got some washed up old scrub to look after.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 12:00:27 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587125827455619072
We should just trade a first rounder for another defensive end so Jermaine Johnson and Bryce Huff can get less snaps
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2022, 12:03:51 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587125827455619072That makes sense.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 12:11:11 PM
Post by: reuben on October 31, 2022, 02:07:32 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 02:16:12 PM
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2022, 02:24:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1587138730678173697?s=20&t=dmUuNkMvWOvWu8Eh01rlhQWE'RE BACK, BABY
Post by: mj2sexay on November 01, 2022, 07:03:16 PM
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2022, 07:31:26 PM
TIL Bean took his talents to Houston.Which talents? Glizzy gobbling?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 01, 2022, 08:06:10 PM
Which talents? Glizzy gobbling?
People using the word glizzy earnestly is incredibly painful. I am aware that this isn't the case here.
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2022, 08:50:01 AM
https://youtu.be/dxz-zBR-_jc
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2022, 09:27:19 AM
AccurateI watched this last night...wasn't a funny skit, but 100% accurate and relatable. Good call.
https://youtu.be/dxz-zBR-_jc
Cecily Strong is hot.
Post by: delavan on November 07, 2022, 08:17:38 AM
*source: sportscenter*
Post by: steves850 on November 08, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Please go and upvote this. It needs to be the most popular post in subreddit history.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2022, 12:49:03 PM
(https://i.redd.it/cwubmp4rqyy91.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2022, 01:14:22 PM
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2022, 01:25:16 PM
That's disgusting, but is it a jinx if The Coin already has us losing this upcoming week?The Coin predicted the SI jinx too.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 09, 2022, 03:46:38 PM
Quote
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1590372289069322240?s=20&t=hDzQbIQOWXZwfiMysyFGqA
Uzomah mic'd up
Post by: Heismanberg on November 09, 2022, 03:53:09 PM
Uzomah mic'd up
the excrement talking near the end is so good
Post by: Libero_2 on November 09, 2022, 06:04:59 PM
Uzomah mic'd up
There are certain guys that should always be mic’ed up. Sauce Gardner and C.J. Uzomah Are guys I’d listen to every time.
Love him talking to Garrett. As Heis already said the trash talk at the end “you ain’t making that tackle though” is hilarious.
Post by: ons on November 09, 2022, 06:20:33 PM
Uzomah mic'd up
Love it. I saw an even a longer cut on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6beN-gubUs
Post by: steves850 on November 09, 2022, 06:33:34 PM
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2022, 07:50:25 PM
There are certain guys that should always be mic’ed up. Sauce Gardner and C.J. Uzomah Are guys I’d listen to every time.Mentoring GW was my favorite part.
Love him talking to Garrett. As Heis already said the trash talk at the end “you ain’t making that tackle though” is hilarious.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 09, 2022, 08:35:52 PM
Mentoring GW was my favorite part.
Honestly loved how receptive and attentive GW was to it.
Post by: ons on November 10, 2022, 09:20:25 AM
...
“As we continue to grow,” Shamash said, “you’re going to see wins stem from our situational awareness.”
It helps that the Jets have more talent than they did in 2021, especially on offense. Quarterback Zach Wilson is in his second year and surrounded by talented weapons and an improving offensive line. The defense has gotten better, too. The Jets made big additions on both sides of the ball in the draft and in free agency with Hall, wide receiver Garrett Wilson and cornerbacks Sauce Gardner and D.J. Reed. They’re all contributing.
Also, Smash.
He’s just happy to be back where it all started.
“This organization definitely feels like home to me,” he said.
Another Smash hype article:
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/who-is-dan-shamash-and-how-did-he-become-the-jets-secret-weapon
"Dan Shamash is constantly living in the future. He spends every hour of his work week — and that sometimes means every waking hour of a day — trying to anticipate, prepare and predict the information that the New York Jets and head coach Robert Saleh will need for the upcoming game."
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 10, 2022, 11:16:19 AM
We have been saving our time outs while letting the clock roll a lot. As a result, we usually put ourselves in position to get the last score of the half while still giving us chances to get 7 instead of 3.
The defense hasn't always done its job at these end of half situations since Pittsburgh and Buffalo both got off long FG attempts despite little time to work with. But the process is good.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 10, 2022, 11:31:50 AM
If we line up wrong and Wilson is having to move guys around, we should burn one and fix that. There's a difference between running hurry up and going too fast.
That's my biggest gripe with saving the timeouts so far.
Post by: steves850 on November 10, 2022, 12:31:19 PM
Pepsi Rookie of the week award for 2022.
Fuckin look at it... It's beautiful.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 10, 2022, 01:34:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IXMixX0.png)
Pepsi Rookie of the week award for 2022.
Fuckin look at it... It's beautiful.
Why don’t you get the updated one for week 9?
Post by: steves850 on November 10, 2022, 06:54:32 PM
Why don’t you get the updated one for week 9?Due to some…unpleasantness, I’m no longer allowed to edit Wikipedia.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
We tried to claim Jerry Tillery
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2022, 05:34:04 AM
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2022, 01:54:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2022, 07:41:19 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 15, 2022, 11:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/1592675493740175360
Sauce has allowed 3 catches for 2 yards in 81 man coverage snaps since week 4.
How is that even possible? Dear god is this kid outstanding
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 16, 2022, 08:46:04 PM
If the season ended today every team in the AFC east would make the playoffs.
Apparently no division has ever had every team finish a season with a winning record either.
Odd that this team finally becomes pretty good, yet the whole division seems stacked for years.
New England not so much stacked but they always compete with old Bill
Post by: Libero_2 on November 18, 2022, 04:56:05 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1593650242846887938?s=20&t=ndRk1WiaY6DyX5sdaFT7VQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_bB8diK4E4
Post by: delavan on November 18, 2022, 06:11:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hBZSuGTqxE
Post by: reuben on November 19, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Sign this beast
Post by: delavan on November 19, 2022, 01:17:49 PM
Sign this beast
Maccagnan's Mauldin can't crack JD's D. Besides, the Jets own the CFL's Most Outstanding Offensive Player as it is.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/2019_Chris_Streveler%2C_Grey_Cup_Parade.jpg/337px-2019_Chris_Streveler%2C_Grey_Cup_Parade.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 22, 2022, 01:36:08 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2022, 08:08:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1595100450554093570?t=8lN3g02Wu653ymAivquoiw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1595100450554093570?t=8lN3g02Wu653ymAivquoiw&s=19)
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2022, 08:15:08 PM
Bryce Huff appreciation post
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1595100450554093570?t=8lN3g02Wu653ymAivquoiw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1595100450554093570?t=8lN3g02Wu653ymAivquoiw&s=19)
It's nice, but given he's not on the field for any plays that might be run, it's not surprising that the sack rate is lower when he's not on the field.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2022, 08:18:03 PM
It's nice, but given he's not on the field for any plays that might be run, it's not surprising that the sack rate is lower when he's not on the field.
I do not except this slander
Post by: mj2sexay on November 23, 2022, 08:12:26 PM
who was it.
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2022, 08:30:55 PM
https://twitter.com/GregJKrieg/status/1595077893205401609Must be a member of Jets Lounge.
who was it.
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2022, 10:33:21 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 28, 2022, 05:17:46 AM
What the hell, guys?
Post by: Libero_2 on November 28, 2022, 07:11:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1597043767466655744?t=14zn6WzEDVmUjS0-Mcdi9Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1597043767466655744?t=14zn6WzEDVmUjS0-Mcdi9Q&s=19)
What the hell, guys?
Given the statistical concept of “regression to the mean” sooner or later we are about to hit a streak of collecting a bunch of fumbled footballs. Given we are 7-4 and about try like hell to make a playoff push (and hopefully win a game or two) the fumble luck flipping for the rest of the season could work quite nicely in our favor.
Either that or next year we just recover 80% of fumbles which will likely lead to lots of games won.
Post by: MBGreen on November 29, 2022, 11:08:23 AM
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Paul Andrew Esden Jr
@BoyGreen25
·
30m
.@peter_king
pointed out scheduling quirk against #Jets:
"It would bug me. NY plays regular-rest road games #SKOL + #BillsMafia next 2 Sundays. #Vikings & #Bills have 10 days rest. Once, okay. Twice? In a row? NYJ is playing not only better teams but more rested teams."
figures
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2022, 11:20:26 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 29, 2022, 11:23:05 AM
Do you think the schedule makers let the team down?
i better see an apology before the end of the day
Post by: Libero_2 on November 29, 2022, 11:45:16 AM
figures
We didn’t even get a rest advantage with our bye week.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 29, 2022, 12:19:37 PM
And to be fair playing the Bears was barely a notch above a bye week
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 29, 2022, 12:26:06 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 29, 2022, 07:40:53 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2022, 07:58:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1597767357144842240
This better be nationally televised then, because if I have to watch the freaking Ravens I'm going to say some stupid excrement that I definitely won't follow through on.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 30, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2022, 03:01:49 PM
Per Saleh's Presser: "Ty Johnson will always dress bc of his value on special teams"Nania posted a highlight reel of Ty picking up blocks last week. They clearly like him on 3rd down. Just wish he caught the ball more consistently.
Post by: Johnny English on November 30, 2022, 05:27:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 30, 2022, 05:34:22 PM
I'm worried that he'll get more playing time to let us down now that Carter is hurt.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 30, 2022, 06:26:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2022, 07:16:16 PM
Just block well and don't drop the ball and he will be fine. He has speed and is a decent runner with the ball in his hands. I think he has a gear that our other backs don't have. That's why they tried the deep ball to him against New England. He is our closest replacement to Breece's speed. He isnt nearly as good but he is our fastest healthy RB.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2022, 09:04:27 AM
https://twitter.com/jetswhispers/status/1598027226502819841?t=nmPAKSPokFsjovlQfb5lRw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/jetswhispers/status/1598027226502819841?t=nmPAKSPokFsjovlQfb5lRw&s=19)
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2022, 09:36:15 AM
@DWAZ73
·
15m
#Jets, in the middle of the AFC playoff hunt, increasing ticket prices for home games an average of 12% for next season
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2022, 09:48:22 AM
Dennis Waszak Jr.
@DWAZ73
·
15m
#Jets, in the middle of the AFC playoff hunt, increasing ticket prices for home games an average of 12% for next season
Gotta keep those relocated/hospitalized homeless people out of the stadium.
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2022, 11:32:10 AM
Dennis Waszak Jr.Fire Saleh
@DWAZ73
·
15m
#Jets, in the middle of the AFC playoff hunt, increasing ticket prices for home games an average of 12% for next season
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2022, 12:13:09 PM
"The first thing you need to know in watching film is your contract terms"
Post by: Libero_2 on December 01, 2022, 12:18:15 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1598378897476927488?t=Dj14EoIopAvqWQBKLBzQdg&s=19
"The first thing you need to know in watching film is your contract terms"
Why the hell they in a movie theater for 7 people?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2022, 12:28:44 PM
Why the hell they in a movie theater for 7 people?
I'm assuming it's just a staged photo. They might be looking at some tittays for all we know.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2022, 01:04:03 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 01, 2022, 02:04:56 PM
Quote
Adam Schefter
Now official: Bills officially placed Von Miller on injured reserve, meaning he’s out at least four weeks.
No Von Miller when we play Buffalo
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2022, 02:07:36 PM
No Von Miller when we play Buffalo
Mike White Revenge Game
Post by: steves850 on December 01, 2022, 02:14:33 PM
Why the hell they in a movie theater for 7 people?
That's likely just the film room. "there's only 7 of us, let's go to the broom closet to review."
I'm assuming it's just a staged photo. They might be looking at some tittays for all we know.
Can confirm, they were looking at tiddies.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2022, 02:29:48 PM
Can confirm, they were looking at tiddies.
they stayed in the theater post credits to leave positive reviews for Bones and All
Sauce gave it two thumbs up
Post by: steves850 on December 01, 2022, 02:31:17 PM
they stayed in the theater post credits to leave positive reviews for Bones and All
Sauce gave it two thumbs up
#NotmyCornerback
I just returned my Sauce jersey. I have a rule for never buying current players and this is exactly why....
Post by: Libero_2 on December 01, 2022, 03:19:01 PM
That's likely just the film room. "there's only 7 of us, let's go to the broom closet to review."
I would assume each position group had their own meeting room with obvious comforts and film access
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2022, 03:30:42 PM
#NotmyCornerback
I just returned my Sauce jersey. I have a rule for never buying current players and this is exactly why....
After Favre, Sanchez and Darnold, I have a no QB rule. (Sanchez actually was fine, I got plenty of use out of it.) I'm not going to consider another QB jersey until we have one that either takes us at least as far as the AFCCG, or signs a second contract.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2022, 03:33:25 PM
No Von Miller when we play Buffalo
I like it
Post by: Libero_2 on December 01, 2022, 04:13:10 PM
After Favre, Sanchez and Darnold, I have a no QB rule. (Sanchez actually was fine, I got plenty of use out of it.) I'm not going to consider another QB jersey until we have one that either takes us at least as far as the AFCCG, or signs a second contract.
How many guys have we ever had that fit that criteria?
Pennington
Todd
O’Brien
Namath
Is that it? For guys who QB’ed us for at least 6 years? That’s some sort of embarrassingly bad
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2022, 04:21:21 PM
Ty Johnson has a shirt apparently.
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2022, 04:38:22 PM
How many guys have we ever had that fit that criteria?Sanchez did both.
Pennington
Todd
O’Brien
Namath
Is that it? For guys who QB’ed us for at least 6 years? That’s some sort of embarrassingly bad
Post by: Libero_2 on December 01, 2022, 05:53:59 PM
Sanchez did both.
He got a second deal for the Peyton Manning thing.
But I meant QB us for 6+ seasons. It’s insane how we have essentially never had stability at the most important position in sports in like 50 years
Post by: bojanglesman on December 05, 2022, 08:40:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2022, 08:41:47 AM
I'm happy for a change we aren't internet shopping for a new coach/GM. Just a QB this time.
and hopefully OC/QB coaches
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 05, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
and hopefully OC/QB coachesInternet shopping for coordinators and QB coaches is miserable. Making pure guesses on which random assistants we barely know about will be good coordinators. Nobody has a clue. The only thing worse is GM shoppng. "This guy worked with this other guy, so he must be good!"
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2022, 10:36:19 AM
Internet shopping for coordinators and QB coaches is miserable. Making pure guesses on which random assistants we barely know about will be good coordinators. Nobody has a clue. The only thing worse is GM shoppng. "This guy worked with this other guy, so he must be good!"
A necessary evil.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 05, 2022, 12:16:45 PM
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Connor Hughes
Re-watching #Jets game: There is absolutely zero reason why these designed end-arounds and screens for Braxton Berrios shouldn't go to Elijah Moore. Every one of them should, actually.
He's a better football player. You're better off giving it to him than Berrios. Frustrating
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 05, 2022, 12:39:52 PM
Connor Hughes sucks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 05, 2022, 01:04:57 PM
He was about as successful as Berrios on tunnel screens so I'm not sure the end-arounds would have been any different.Moore is a better receiver than Berrios, but I think Berrios is probably better with the ball in his hands. He's been a good return man, and he's also been very good on those reverses.
Connor Hughes sucks.
Also...this season...
Berrios: 9 rush, 91 yds, 2 TD
Moore: 4 rush, 2 yds
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 05, 2022, 01:09:57 PM
Moore is a better receiver than Berrios, but I think Berrios is probably better with the ball in his hands. He's been a good return man, and he's also been very good on those reverses.
Also...this season...
Berrios: 9 rush, 91 yds, 2 TD
Moore: 4 rush, 2 yds
As I said: Connor Hughes sucks.
Post by: Badger on December 05, 2022, 01:40:29 PM
Moore is a better receiver than Berrios, but I think Berrios is probably better with the ball in his hands. He's been a good return man, and he's also been very good on those reverses.Yeah, for like the first half of the season every time Berrios got a carry it went for a first down or a TD.
Also...this season...
Berrios: 9 rush, 91 yds, 2 TD
Moore: 4 rush, 2 yds
He was very effective.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 05, 2022, 03:13:02 PM
As I said: Connor Hughes sucks.He's like most beat writers. Most of the time he's harmless. He has some good takes. He has some bad takes. Hughes seems to be a little more assured of himself though, whether his takes are good or bad.
Post by: reuben on December 05, 2022, 03:33:56 PM
He's like most beat writers. Most of the time he's harmless. He has some good takes. He has some bad takes. Hughes seems to be a little more assured of himself though, whether his takes are good or bad.
The goodness or badness of his takes isn't the problem. He's lazy. Always has been, always will be.
Berrios has nine rushes for 91 yards this season. Five first downs and two touchdowns. He's been effective in his role, even if he let the team down this week. Moore has four carries for two yards and one cancerous bitchfit on the season. It took me all of thirty seconds to back up my argument with stats, but that's thirty seconds more research than Connor Hughes has done in his whole career.
Every ball thrown at Ty Johnson or Denzel Mims is a ball that probably should have been schemed to go to Elijah Moore instead. And depending on Braxton Berrios to be our whole red zone offense this week was an error in judgment. But Berrios has done more for this team this season than Elijah Moore and it's not even remotely close. One's a selfless team-first guy, the other's a queynte, and the difference in talent is slight enough that I'd rather not reward the queynte.
Edit: I just saw your comparison of stats post above, DS. I should probably read stuff if I'm commenting about lazy commentators.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 05, 2022, 03:53:21 PM
He's like most beat writers. Most of the time he's harmless. He has some good takes. He has some bad takes. Hughes seems to be a little more assured of himself though, whether his takes are good or bad.
I wholeheartedly reject this opinion. Dude's a lazy POS who should go back to blogging about the MCU.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 05, 2022, 04:21:14 PM
I wholeheartedly reject this opinion. Dude's a lazy POS who should go back to blogging about the MCU.
i forgot about that. was one of our more important offseasons in recent memory and while other sports journalists were writing about the jets and dropping breaking news (seems like it was hardly ever the jets beat that had these exclusives) homie was out here making tweet threads about watching the MCU movies and how he would rank them.
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2022, 12:37:23 PM
Post by: delavan on December 09, 2022, 01:42:18 AM
source: https://betting.com/nfl/bias-in-the-booth-who-are-the-most-criticized-nfl-franchises
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 09, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 09, 2022, 03:38:32 PM
https://twitter.com/jwhite_333/status/1601289965408636929
I thought it was a bad call on the field, a bad call on replay and a bad call today. Whitehead led with his shoulder, crushed Jefferson in the shoulder and because he hit him hard we got flagged and he got fined. Bullshit
Post by: Miamipuck on December 09, 2022, 04:23:26 PM
I thought it was a bad call on the field, a bad call on replay and a bad call today. Whitehead led with his shoulder, crushed Jefferson in the shoulder and because he hit him hard we got flagged and he got fined. Bullshit
No one in this world could convince me otherwise, it was bullshit on all levels.
Post by: steves850 on December 09, 2022, 04:28:51 PM
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/12/08/jets-announcer-bias/amp/
source: https://betting.com/nfl/bias-in-the-booth-who-are-the-most-criticized-nfl-franchises
I wonder how much was shitting on Zach Wilson? Not being funny, if they're literally reporting his statistics could that be considered "bad mouthing."
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 09, 2022, 04:57:27 PM
I wonder how much was shitting on Zach Wilson? Not being funny, if they're literally reporting his statistics could that be considered "bad mouthing."Eh, the Jets have been excrement on for years. Zach definitely adds to it though.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2022, 09:53:11 AM
Kwon dresses like JE
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2022, 03:36:11 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2022, 01:38:50 PM
Post by: reuben on December 19, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
For the love of god, get our system a fullback.
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2022, 02:40:20 PM
Top pro bowl vote getters at fullback: Ingold in Miami, Juszczyk in Frisco.
For the love of god, get our system a fullback.
Sign CJ Ham SZN
Post by: Libero_2 on December 19, 2022, 02:58:38 PM
Sauce, Q, Hardee and Hennessey topped the AFC Pro Bowl voting at their respective positions.
How did Thomas Hennessey get votes? Who selects the Jets long snapper? Weird. I mean good for Hennessey, I’m just really surprised
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2022, 03:17:10 PM
How did Thomas Hennessey get votes? Who selects the Jets long snapper? Weird. I mean good for Hennessey, I’m just really surprised
By virtue of being Jet in a public vote, at a guess. If the Jets offense was half as committed as Jets Twitter we'd have already locked up a playoff place.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 19, 2022, 03:53:16 PM
By virtue of being Jet in a public vote, at a guess. If the Jets offense was half as committed as Jets Twitter we'd have already locked up a playoff place.My theory is his name is Hennessey and people like the name.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2022, 07:05:00 AM
nice to see him keeping busy.
Post by: delavan on December 21, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
How did Thomas Hennessey get votes? Who selects the Jets long snapper? Weird. I mean good for Hennessey, I’m just really surprised
How? By outperforming all other long snappers—the eye test alone clinched it for him.
Also begs the question as to why Branden Mann’s still stinking up the joint after being ‘hand fed’ by the NFL’s best
Post by: casman02 on December 21, 2022, 07:05:07 PM
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#Jets with 4 players selected to the Pro Bowl:
- DL Quinnen Williams
- CB Sauce Gardner
- LB C.J. Mosley
- ST Justin Hardee
3 were selected as alternates:
- KR/PR Braxton Berrios
- WR Garrett Wilson
- CB D.J. Reed
Post by: Libero_2 on December 21, 2022, 07:06:25 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 21, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
Post by: casman02 on December 21, 2022, 07:08:59 PM
Post by: delavan on December 21, 2022, 08:11:10 PM
Thomas Hennessey was snubbedHalf-assed snub
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Cognac_Hennessy_Very_Special.jpg/222px-Cognac_Hennessy_Very_Special.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on December 23, 2022, 10:51:10 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 23, 2022, 06:19:40 PM
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Per Schefter The NFL confirmed today that New York Jets’ wide receivers coach Miles Austin has been suspended for violating the NFL’s Gambling Policy, per @RichCimini and me.
Post by: Coach K on December 23, 2022, 06:26:06 PM
Fire the whole offensive staff lol
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2022, 03:30:15 PM
And would be the second time ever an nfl team has had both in the same year.
To make it crazier, if Hall had stayed healthy we'd also have the runner up for OROTY (which I assume would be Wilson)
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2022, 03:54:22 PM
Last I checked, it seems like Sauce and Wilson are both the favorites for OROTY and DROTY.
And would be the second time ever an nfl team has had both in the same year.
Yeah ..I told you this when you decided to hang Joe Douglas out to dry.
Post by: steves850 on December 27, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
BUT HE HASN'T FIXED EVERY POSITION ALREADY!1!!
Yeah ..I told you this when you decided to hang Joe Douglas out to dry.
WILSON IS A BUST, HANG JD!
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2022, 04:23:05 PM
BUT HE HASN'T FIXED EVERY POSITION ALREADY!1!!I like JD, but he's been here 3.5 years now. He can still use the time excuse this year, but next year is his 4th draft class and 5th season.
WILSON IS A BUST, HANG JD!
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2022, 04:25:53 PM
I like JD, but he's been here 3.5 years now. He can still use the time excuse this year, but next year is his 4th draft class and 5th season.I'm just glad George Paton turned down interviews with the Jets twice.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2022, 05:01:54 PM
Yeah ..I told you this when you decided to hang Joe Douglas out to dry.
We all understand this recent draft was a master class.
But 2020 was a complete and total diasaster. And in 2021 we traded our QB and went on to draft someone who is near the top of the list for biggest draft bust of all time
I was never ready to fire JD, but hes got a lot of freak ups to his name.
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2022, 05:12:50 PM
We all understand this recent draft was a master class.No he doesn't...stfu.
But 2020 was a complete and total diasaster. And in 2021 we traded our QB and went on to draft someone who is near the top of the list for biggest draft bust of all time
I was never ready to fire JD, but hes got a lot of freak ups to his name.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2022, 05:14:37 PM
We all understand this recent draft was a master class.
But 2020 was a complete and total diasaster. And in 2021 we traded our QB and went on to draft someone who is near the top of the list for biggest draft bust of all time
I was never ready to fire JD, but hes got a lot of freak ups to his name.
If Jd gets us to the playoffs, and continues to have us operating like an actual NFL organization instead of a circus with untrained monkeys running the show, the 2020 draft will ultimately not matter. The Zach miss will forever be a stain on him, and the stigma will be he can’t draft a decent QB until he does. But how long did Ozzie Newsome go before getting the right QB in the draft? You can be a stellar executive with that against you.
If the Jets become a functional group like the Ravens we’re in the early 2000s (between Super Bowls) like I think we are on track too, JD will have helped build a culture here and is just waiting and working to find the right QB to put us over the top.
If he fails to continue building and creating a culture that puts us on that path, he will get shitcanned quickly.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2022, 05:16:44 PM
No he doesn't...stfu.
Yes he does
The OL has been his biggest project, and it's not looking good.
His 2020 class was horrific, 2021 is Zach Wilson.
A lot of the OL moves haven't worked out (ie Duane Brown looks like a excrement move)
The 2022 draft class was masterful. But if it wasn't for that draft class being so phenomenal, many of us would probably have JD on the hot seat next season
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
Yes he doesNah
The OL has been his biggest project, and it's not looking good.
His 2020 class was horrific, 2021 is Zach Wilson.
A lot of the OL moves haven't worked out (ie Duane Brown looks like a excrement move)
The 2022 draft class was masterful. But if it wasn't for that draft class being so phenomenal, many of us would probably have JD on the hot seat next season
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
If Jd gets us to the playoffs, and continues to have us operating like an actual NFL organization instead of a circus with untrained monkeys running the show, the 2020 draft will ultimately not matter. The Zach miss will forever be a stain on him, and the stigma will be he can’t draft a decent QB until he does. But how long did Ozzie Newsome go before getting the right QB in the draft? You can be a stellar executive with that against you.
If the Jets become a functional group like the Ravens we’re in the early 2000s (between Super Bowls) like I think we are on track too, JD will have helped build a culture here and is just waiting and working to find the right QB to put us over the top.
If he fails to continue building and creating a culture that puts us on that path, he will get shitcanned quickly.
https://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/44664/from-ray-lewis-to-kyle-boller-ranking-all-of-ozzie-newsomes-181-draft-picks
This dudes got home many HOF to his name?
Not to mention his QB situation wasn't quite awful
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2022, 06:41:33 PM
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1607801061535895554?s=20&t=8J_JeLLmH3KRAuZMf8EC1Q
That's not even including his playoff wins.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2022, 06:49:55 PM
The Sanchize
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1607801061535895554?s=20&t=8J_JeLLmH3KRAuZMf8EC1Q
That's not even including his playoff wins.
As embarrassing as this is… if only we knew how good we had it
Post by: reuben on December 27, 2022, 07:09:53 PM
As embarrassing as this is… if only we knew how good we had it
We did, and many of us were screaming for years as Tanny let a good roster decay.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2022, 09:26:49 PM
We did, and many of us were screaming for years as Tanny let a good roster decay.
I've blocked out most of Genos years
But it also sucks that Sanchez, Darnold, and Wilson all "broke" in games against the Patriots then just snowballed out of control form there
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2022, 09:40:35 PM
I've blocked out most of Genos years
But it also sucks that Sanchez, Darnold, and Wilson all "broke" in games against the Patriots then just snowballed out of control form there
Belicheck is the gift that keeps on giving to our franchise, systematically destroying the psyche of every young qb we have.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 28, 2022, 09:20:53 AM
Some shade from Josh Allen to the rest of the division QBs.
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2022, 09:35:27 AM
https://twitter.com/kalynkahler/status/1607815584544346113Not much we can say about this but "yeah, that's fair."
Some shade from Josh Allen to the rest of the division QBs.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2022, 09:42:48 AM
Not much we can say about this but "yeah, that's fair."
All true
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 28, 2022, 11:24:38 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 28, 2022, 12:17:08 PM
As embarrassing as this is… if only we knew how good we had itDamn, I definitely knew.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 04, 2023, 05:16:01 PM
Guy on our practice squad replaces Hamlin.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2023, 05:40:46 PM
https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1610750522071425024
Guy on our practice squad replaces Hamlin.
Whitehead with a career ending injury this week.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 04, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
This could have gone in 100 threads.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 04, 2023, 09:21:03 PM
But Gase isn't the reason Bell was a mega bust
Post by: steves850 on January 05, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
I'm all for trashing Gase
But Gase isn't the reason Bell was a mega bust
I agree with dcm...
Guys, I'm not feeling well...
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2023, 09:20:12 AM
I agree with dcm...
Guys, I'm not feeling well...
Medic!!!!
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2023, 11:11:28 AM
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Well... the invoice is in. The @nyjets really raised their season ticket prices 30% after this excrement show of a collapse. They choose to screw over their season ticket holders at every chance. Truly an inept organization @woodyjohnson4 @WFAN660 @EvanRobertsWFAN @BrandonTierney
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2023, 12:59:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2023, 01:01:16 PM
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1610395827909918720?s=19
Expert use of an overused meme.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2023, 01:40:50 PM
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1610395827909918720?s=19
Breece Hall to Breece Hall Injury was great.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2023, 07:50:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1612516064708943893?s=20&t=1pPN-Qmm31p3Eq2y7hMLEA (https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1612516064708943893?s=20&t=1pPN-Qmm31p3Eq2y7hMLEA)
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 09, 2023, 07:54:15 PM
Oh. I certainly did not know this.
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1612516064708943893?s=20&t=1pPN-Qmm31p3Eq2y7hMLEA (https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1612516064708943893?s=20&t=1pPN-Qmm31p3Eq2y7hMLEA)
Wow. Certainly can't question his heart/toughness.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2023, 08:15:09 PM
Achilles are brutal.
Tore mine in early June. Ran on the treadmill for the first time today. Can confirm brutality.
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2023, 12:32:36 AM
The beefiest slot in the draft.
I would take any of those players.
2013 1.13: Sheldon Richardson. Him too.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 10, 2023, 03:46:09 AM
Tore mine in early June. Ran on the treadmill for the first time today. Can confirm brutality.
Eight months after I tore mine, still hurting. Can do elliptical but if I run the next day is not nice at all.
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2023, 07:08:57 AM
Eight months after I tore mine, still hurting. Can do elliptical but if I run the next day is not nice at all.
No reaction this morning, which is pleasing. But given how nervous I still am about putting too much load on mine, I can only imagine the process that a 270lb man must have to go through to feel confident about launching himself into high impact football plays on a repaired achilles.
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2023, 02:20:58 PM
https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/
Post by: steves850 on January 10, 2023, 02:32:30 PM
Scroll down for the picture.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/ (https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/)
Whoever doesn't post in the next few days is the flamer. Do we still call them flamers?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/eH9QsTqFi2jEk/giphy.gif)
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2023, 02:46:14 PM
Whoever doesn't post in the next few days is the flamer. Do we still call them flamers?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/eH9QsTqFi2jEk/giphy.gif)
(https://y.yarn.co/6154654c-6aca-4f21-87e8-488b3fa5fa62_text.gif)
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2023, 04:45:58 PM
Scroll down for the picture.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/
(https://i.imgur.com/HjCSMN7.jpg)
I'm just gonna keep this here in case I ever decide to change my avatar. I feel every ounce of pain on that man's face and though I haven't read the article nor know his ill deeds, I understand.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2023, 12:10:29 PM
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Jets assistant defensive line coach Greg Scruggs left to become the D line coach at Wisconsin. So that is another opening on the coaching staff.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2023, 12:14:23 PM
Brian Costello
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Jets assistant defensive line coach Greg Scruggs left to become the D line coach at Wisconsin. So that is another opening on the coaching staff.
He was with Fickell at Cincinnati. Good for him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2023, 02:11:55 PM
Per Rosenblatt, Calabrese has not been fired, but I think this is a "for now" statement. I have to believe that the incoming OC will want some input on his assistant staff.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2023, 02:50:05 PM
Post by: reuben on January 12, 2023, 03:02:32 PM
I'll just throw this in here:
Per Rosenblatt, Calabrese has not been fired, but I think this is a "for now" statement. I have to believe that the incoming OC will want some input on his assistant staff.
Use it in interviews. "Would you keep Calabrese?" All yeses are automatically, efficiently disqualified.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2023, 03:08:26 PM
Calabrese is sufficiently young and inexperienced that it's possible he might be seen as a guy with talent who can be used in a different role.
Assistant QB coach
Post by: reuben on January 12, 2023, 03:28:42 PM
I would hire Nick in a hot second, ideally as an assistant o-line coach. But if he demands the full HC/GM package, so be it.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2023, 03:31:24 PM
Assistant QB coach
Sure, something like that. His only NFL experience prior to this is two seasons of offensive quality control at Denver, so it's not like he's going to have a raft of teams ringing his phone off the hook. He's only 32, I did a spectacularly bad job of some things at that age based on a mix of ambition and ignorance. I don't think it's a given he's a bust, just that he's not suited to his current job.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
Sure, something like that. His only NFL experience prior to this is two seasons of offensive quality control at Denver, so it's not like he's going to have a raft of teams ringing his phone off the hook. He's only 32, I did a spectacularly bad job of some things at that age based on a mix of ambition and ignorance. I don't think it's a given he's a bust, just that he's not suited to his current job.
The lack of experience on the offensive staff was kind of ridiculous. At least on the defensive side you had two guys who had at least been DCs before, if even one was just on an interim basis.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1613577776958771217 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1613577776958771217)
I would hire Nick in a hot second, ideally as an assistant o-line coach. But if he demands the full HC/GM package, so be it.
The fanbase would love it about as much as Pennington as QB coach.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 12, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2023, 04:42:06 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1613629672981512192?s=20&t=4ZAhpHirbqzxOwVdNRjeUA
It's always weird when I see a player admit it.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2023, 05:13:40 PM
I feel like I could derive some enjoyment from seeing Breece Hall and Saquon Barkley both playing for the Jets.
We should sign him. It's not like Breece is costing us that much.
Use them like Green Bay uses Jones/Dillon.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2023, 05:19:42 PM
Post by: reuben on January 12, 2023, 05:39:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
We should sign him. It's not like Breece is costing us that much.
Use them like Green Bay uses Jones/Dillon.
Bring in some 85 year old dude as OC to line them up in wing-t or wishbone on every play.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2023, 06:51:36 PM
Bring in some 85 year old dude as OC to line them up in wing-t or wishbone on every play.
One thing from LaFleur that I actually liked was the formation where we had both Breece and Carter on the field at the same time. Too bad we mostly did stupid excrement with it.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 12, 2023, 06:51:58 PM
Post by: delavan on January 12, 2023, 09:31:08 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 13, 2023, 12:37:01 PM
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Crazy #Jets fact that continues to blow my mind:
Micheal Clemons (rookie) is four months older than Quinnen Wiliams (4th year).
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2023, 12:39:39 PM
Whoever scouted him did a hell of a job there.
Colby Wooden of Auburn is like a souped-up version of Clemons, so I wonder if we'll be interested in him outside of the first.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
Post by: insanity on January 14, 2023, 12:39:17 AM
Sauce Gardner with the quote of the season: "the thing with that guy is that he solves all his problems with anger".Is that in reference to clemons?
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2023, 05:21:23 AM
Is that in reference to clemons?Yes
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2023, 09:09:36 AM
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One of the wildest stats of the season was the disparity in roughing the passer penalties. The Jets were flagged five times, yet they were the only team not to be the beneficiary of a roughing call. Which is to say, of all the times their quarterbacks were hit, not one of them was a foul. Seems curious.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 15, 2023, 09:52:39 AM
Saw an odd statistic
The bias was real
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 15, 2023, 10:17:55 AM
It's ridiculous. I understand that "bad" franchises usually get less benefit of the doubt, but it seems like the zebras actively ignore things happening right in front of them when it comes to this team.
And didn't one of the refs this year tell (Garrett?) to stop whining because it's not college anymore?
Post by: reuben on January 15, 2023, 11:40:26 AM
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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Panthers requested permission to interview Jets safeties coach Marquand Manuel for a coordinator position.
Manuel has been coaching in the NFL in some capacity since 2012. He earned a short-lived stint as the Falcons' defensive coordinator a few years ago before joining the Eagles and then the Jets. New York's secondary was elite this year, ranking second in the NFL in yards per pass attempt allowed. Manuel's interview could be a sign that interim head coach Steve Wilks and his staff are on their way out. Al Holcomb is currently the interim defensive coordinator, though Manuel is set to interview for that job soon.
Bring me COMP PICKS
Post by: Jumbo on January 15, 2023, 07:42:21 PM
Bring me COMP PICKS
only applies if they hire him as head coach
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2023, 07:53:55 PM
only applies if they hire him as head coachI thought the same thing as Reuben but I checked and you're right, only HC and GM.
Post by: Jumbo on January 15, 2023, 07:57:02 PM
I thought the same thing as Reuben but I checked and you're right, only HC and GM.
I guess I should have clarified that it would also apply if they hired him as GM (for some reason)
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2023, 08:01:52 PM
I thought the same thing as Reuben but I checked and you're right, only HC and GM.freak
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
@RichCimini
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1m
#Jets claimed DT Isaiah Mack on waivers from the Seahawks. Only spent two weeks with them. Played for the Ravens this season (30 snaps in two games). Jets are thin at IDL.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 16, 2023, 05:20:41 PM
Rich CiminiLET'S GOOOO!
@RichCimini
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1m
#Jets claimed DT Isaiah Mack on waivers from the Seahawks. Only spent two weeks with them. Played for the Ravens this season (30 snaps in two games). Jets are thin at IDL.
Post by: Johnny English on January 16, 2023, 05:21:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2023, 05:41:56 PM
LET'S GOOOO!No red flags? You're not trying hard enough here.
Post by: delavan on January 16, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
Career history
Tennessee Titans (2019–2020)
New England Patriots (2020)
Denver Broncos (2021)
Pittsburgh Steelers (2021)
Baltimore Ravens (2021–2022)
Seattle Seahawks (2022)
New York Jets (2023)
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
do the needful, gents.
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2023, 02:10:26 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1615438817955045381?s=20&t=B0t7Y8R8W55bwquZ-48m2A
do the needful, gents.
I voted 15x each for both Sauce and GW.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 17, 2023, 02:14:45 PM
I voted 15x each for both Sauce and GW.
Hopefully splitting votes doesn't allow someone else to win.
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2023, 02:19:38 PM
Hopefully splitting votes doesn't allow someone else to win.
you can vote as much as you want
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 17, 2023, 05:16:58 PM
you can vote as much as you want
I know. I'm just saying hopefully having multiple Jets up for the award doesn't open the door for someone else to win. Knowing Jets Twitter, it probably won't.
Post by: Johnny English on January 17, 2023, 06:53:36 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 17, 2023, 08:28:22 PM
If you haven't been listening, the second season of The Exchange podcast with Mangold and Sanchez is a huge leap forward from the first one. Guests have been good - Rex, Fitz, Garrett, Ray Romano and Chris Berman (who I didn't realise was a Jets fan) have been on so far.Good to know. One time I tried it, it was bad. But both guys can be good in their own and both are legends in their own ways.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 17, 2023, 09:18:16 PM
Good to know. One time I tried it, it was bad. But both guys can be good in their own and both are legends in their own ways.Only time I saw it was Rex Mangold and Sanchez
I doubt it'll be able to meet thst standard regularly, but it was highly entertaining
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 24, 2023, 03:11:57 PM
Coolsies.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 24, 2023, 04:00:38 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA)
Coolsies.
Amazing that we had the top 3 rookies when you add in Breece. Utterly mindblowing what we accomplished last year. If we can just get these kids a freaking quarterback…
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 24, 2023, 04:14:44 PM
Amazing that we had the top 3 rookies when you add in Breece. Utterly mindblowing what we accomplished last year. If we can just get these kids a freaking quarterback…
Or an offensive line.
Imagine Breece being healthy AND not having to break 3 tackles within the first two yards of a run.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 25, 2023, 09:23:50 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA)
Coolsies.
How many ROTY awards exist? So far I saw PFF, Pro Football Writers, I think theres' Associate Press...how many more are there?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2023, 09:36:33 AM
How many ROTY awards exist? So far I saw PFF, Pro Football Writers, I think theres' Associate Press...how many more are there?
give us all of them
Post by: casman02 on January 27, 2023, 11:52:16 AM
John Franklin-Myers
@J_FranklinMyers
Anyone know a good Massage Therapist in Houston?
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2023, 02:28:03 PM
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/10n44yb
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2023, 04:28:05 PM
Mildly nsfw
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/10n44yb
That’s weird
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2023, 04:30:50 PM
That’s weirdI came
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2023, 04:50:18 PM
I came
If that’s all it takes I’m sure are quite satisfactory
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2023, 05:04:32 PM
If that’s all it takes I’m sure are quite satisfactoryYeah baybay
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2023, 05:39:33 PM
I cameThis is normal.
Post by: ons on January 28, 2023, 06:55:11 PM
I came
That's tuggalicious
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 09, 2023, 11:46:49 AM
Hopefully splitting votes doesn't allow someone else to win.
Narrator: It did.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 12:26:07 PM
Narrator: It did.
I don't see any announcement.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2023, 12:28:29 PM
I don't see any announcement.
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/aidan-hutchinson-wins-2022-pepsi-zero-sugar-nfl-rookie-of-the-year-award/
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/aidan-hutchinson-wins-2022-pepsi-zero-sugar-nfl-rookie-of-the-year-award/
Oh well.
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2023, 12:45:14 PM
Oh well.
You didn't vote enough
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 12:53:42 PM
You didn't vote enoughoh well
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 09, 2023, 01:13:02 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2023, 01:36:36 PM
oh well
#FireBo
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 09, 2023, 02:06:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2023, 02:11:26 PM
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.
awesome dude!
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.
LETS GOOOO
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 09, 2023, 02:20:29 PM
Post by: Coach K on February 09, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.Niiiice! Congrats! That's dope.
Post by: reuben on February 09, 2023, 02:44:36 PM
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.
That's awesome
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2023, 03:02:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 04:02:59 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 07:02:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2023, 07:04:38 PM
Was the Pepsi rookie of the year different than the real rookie of the year? What is tonight? If so, who gives a freak about Pepsi rookie of the year? How many goddamn awards are there? There's like 78 all pro/pro bowl Pepsi/AP/Foxsports pro bowls and rookie awards. Is it too much to ask to have one god damn award?Tonight is the real deal NFL awards (official)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 07:07:38 PM
Tonight is the real deal NFL awards (official)Why did you guys give a excrement about the Pepsi one if that one is bullshit? I almost got a tiny but mad about that thinking it was the one that is real. I mean not really but still.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 07:11:11 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2023, 07:14:59 PM
Why did you guys give a excrement about the Pepsi one if that one is bullshit? I almost got a tiny but mad about that thinking it was the one that is real. I mean not really but still.Because we love freaking with you?
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2023, 07:24:43 PM
Why did you guys give a excrement about the Pepsi one if that one is bullshit? I almost got a tiny but mad about that thinking it was the one that is real. I mean not really but still.
Because the Pepsi one is all about fan voting and you proved that you don't love Sauce enough, so if he leaves it's your fault.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 09, 2023, 07:34:17 PM
Was the Pepsi rookie of the year different than the real rookie of the year? What is tonight? If so, who gives a freak about Pepsi rookie of the year? How many goddamn awards are there? There's like 78 all pro/pro bowl Pepsi/AP/Foxsports pro bowls and rookie awards. Is it too much to ask to have one god damn award?The in-season ones are mostly meant to promote Pepsi and give Jets fans something to cheer about and distract then from their miserable lives.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 09, 2023, 07:38:20 PM
Why didn't you tell Solomon you wanted to see him as a player there next year?
I did, but I worded it a bit differently 😅. I said “I told Garrett that I wanted to see him here next year as a player and he answered that within the next 5 for sure, what do you think?”. He replied “I think it will be way before that”. Cool guy.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 07:49:03 PM
The in-season ones are mostly meant to promote Pepsi and give Jets fans something to cheer about and distract then from their miserable lives.That's a real answer.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2023, 08:40:45 PM
Post by: casman02 on February 09, 2023, 09:39:57 PM
Wilson OROY
Sauce DROY
Revis and Klecko HOF bound
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 09, 2023, 09:41:37 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2023, 09:41:47 PM
Best day Jets have had in a long time.With Woddy sprinkling in some tampering on the red carpet
Wilson OROY
Sauce DROY
Revis and Klecko HOF bound
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 10, 2023, 12:34:02 PM
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2023, 01:45:00 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-lawmaker-proposes-plan-to-move-jets-to-new-stadium-in-queens-willets-point/
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2023, 04:10:29 PM
My state senator
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-lawmaker-proposes-plan-to-move-jets-to-new-stadium-in-queens-willets-point/
Financially it makes no sense, but I'm all for it.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 11, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 11, 2023, 05:30:06 PM
Virginia could use a team.
You'll get the Commanders in about a year.
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2023, 05:31:13 PM
Virginia could use a team.
you guys should get running water first
Post by: bojanglesman on February 11, 2023, 05:38:50 PM
you guys should get running water firstYou'll never have running water because it's always -400 degrees there. Do.yoy bathe in a glacier?
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2023, 05:39:42 PM
You'll never have running water because it's always -400 degrees there.
Manitoba has over 100,000 fresh water lakes.
Post by: delavan on February 12, 2023, 12:25:06 AM
My state senatorNews video at the 1:57 mark:
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-lawmaker-proposes-plan-to-move-jets-to-new-stadium-in-queens-willets-point/
"Let's make that 'NY' on the side of the helmet really mean New York." - New York Senator Joe Addabbo, self-describe NYJ fan
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/NFCE-Uniform-NYG-Helmet.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/NFCE-Uniform-NYG-Helmet.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/NFCE-Uniform-NYG-Helmet.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/BJ_Bello_%28cropped%29.jpg)
geo. santos would've approved
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 12, 2023, 12:58:43 PM
people need to get fired
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 12, 2023, 01:09:22 PM
Post by: delavan on February 13, 2023, 12:22:03 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 15, 2023, 12:34:12 PM
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Tweet
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Seth Walder
@SethWalder
Fastest average pass rush get off (time to cross LOS) this season, per Next Gen Stats.
Bryce Huff, 0.67s
Myles Garrett, 0.69
Josh Sweat, 0.75
T.J. Watt, 0.75
Justin Houston, 0.75
Trey Hendrickson, 0.76
Carl Lawson, 0.76
Von Miller, 0.77
Yannick Ngakoue, 0.77
Robert Quinn, 0.78
In practical terms I don't know how significant one tenth of one second is
Post by: delavan on February 15, 2023, 02:59:02 PM
In practical terms I don't know how significant one tenth of one second isWhatever, nice company he’s keeping ; )
Post by: mj2sexay on February 15, 2023, 06:25:44 PM
News video at the 1:57 mark:
"Let's make that 'NY' on the side of the helmet really mean New York." - New York Senator Joe Addabbo, self-describe NYJ fan
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/NFCE-Uniform-NYG-Helmet.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/NFCE-Uniform-NYG-Helmet.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/NFCE-Uniform-NYG-Helmet.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/BJ_Bello_%28cropped%29.jpg)
geo. santos would've approved
Looooool.
our helmet logo is so infuriatingly dumb
people need to get fired
I don't mind our logo on the helmet. Off the helmet, it looks dumb.
Pretty much how I feel about the logo. I do wish they'd have brought back or modernized the old sack exchange era fin logo.
Post by: Badger on February 22, 2023, 05:07:38 PM
(https://i.redd.it/615ozqu5lsja1.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 22, 2023, 05:16:17 PM
Jets fans have a decent grasp of reality
(https://i.redd.it/615ozqu5lsja1.png)
I wonder what our percentage was during the Rex years after a Patriots game.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 07:07:03 PM
Which could just mean that jets fans are bitching about Wilson/Becton/MLF etc non stop
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 22, 2023, 08:11:47 PM
To be fair it's a percentage of tweets about the topic
Which could just mean that jets fans are bitching about Wilson/Becton/MLF etc non stop
Yeah, it's probably more along the lines of "Nobody has to cheat us, we can screw everything up all on our own!"
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a jets player fanboi so hard for another player ever?
Post by: Libero_2 on February 23, 2023, 09:30:41 PM
Anyone else notice how ridiculously hard Becton rides Lamars dick?
I don't think I've ever seen a jets player fanboi so hard for another player ever?
They overlapped at Louisville and he’s still the best QB Bectons ever played with.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 23, 2023, 11:17:38 PM
Anyone else notice how ridiculously hard Becton rides Lamars dick?
I don't think I've ever seen a jets player fanboi so hard for another player ever?
college teammates
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2023, 08:17:57 AM
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Rich Cimini
Have a feeling this might change: Since 2017, the Jets have played 10 prime-time games, 4th-fewest in the NFL. Havent played a Sunday Night Football game since Week 10 of 2011, the 2nd-longest active drought in the NFL (Jaguars). #Jets #Rodgers
Post by: delavan on March 18, 2023, 08:32:29 AM
Packers 44; Jets 38.
Sam Darnold: 23-34, 341 yds, 3 TDs, 0 Ints
Aaron Rogers: 37-55, 442 yds, 2 TDs, 0 Ints
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2023, 09:08:34 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1121526261438873608?t=vWIbjHJO2rC83ceCxW74bQ&s=19
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 28, 2023, 04:25:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 28, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1640810386567090178
Mekhi is a gigantic human
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 28, 2023, 04:50:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2023, 09:07:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1640810386567090178
Nah this pic is insane
Post by: Heismanberg on March 29, 2023, 12:55:44 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 29, 2023, 01:08:56 PM
When the Sacramento Kings make the playoffs, the Jets will have the longest playoff drought in all major US sportsYeah one of the talking heads on ESPN mentioned it a couple weeks ago . I died a little on the inside to hear it from that perspective lol
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2023, 01:17:52 PM
When the Sacramento Kings make the playoffs, the Jets will have the longest playoff drought in all major US sportsGood thing we're going to the playoffs in January.
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2023, 02:34:09 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2023, 02:53:31 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1641418915438813185
Is this something new, or just something different that's already being implemented elsewhere?
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 03:19:08 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2023, 03:36:01 PM
Just. Install. Grass.Still don't understand why this hasn't happened
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2023, 03:47:54 PM
Falcons, Giants, Jets, Lions, Panthers, Patriots, and Seahawks
And apparently there's like 3 other teams who only practice on it
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2023, 03:51:51 PM
Still don't understand why this hasn't happened
My understanding is that it's because we share a stadium and the grass wouldn't have enough time to recover in between games. The alternative is that grass maintenance for a shared stadium is so costly that it outweighs the competitive advantage of the reduced injury risk, which seems implausible.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2023, 04:01:28 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2023, 04:24:18 PM
My understanding is that it's because we share a stadium and the grass wouldn't have enough time to recover in between games. The alternative is that grass maintenance for a shared stadium is so costly that it outweighs the competitive advantage of the reduced injury risk, which seems implausible.I think its the cost of laying brand new sod all the
my guess
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 04:40:39 PM
I think its the cost
of laying brand new sod all
the my guess
Almost a haiku.
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2023, 04:42:46 PM
Didn't the latest data show that injury rates between turf and grass was statistically the same?
Say what you will about anecdotal evidence, but I'm siding with the chorus of athletes saying, "THIS. RUBBER. excrement. HURTS."
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 05:26:22 PM
My understanding is that it's because we share a stadium and the grass wouldn't have enough time to recover in between games. The alternative is that grass maintenance for a shared stadium is so costly that it outweighs the competitive advantage of the reduced injury risk, which seems implausible.
I also saw some mentions about concerts. Who cares about Breece Hall's knees when you can sell field-level Taylor Swift tickets?
Post by: casman02 on March 30, 2023, 05:38:18 PM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 06:01:58 PM
I could be wrong, but I think it needs to be grass by the time the World Cup comes to the stadium in a few yearsGood point, I looked it up a bit and this seems to be the case.
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2023, 07:04:28 PM
I could be wrong, but I think it needs to be grass by the time the World Cup comes to the stadium in a few years
Well, they need to have grass for the WC. It doesn't mean they'll keep it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 01, 2023, 09:56:42 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2023, 10:25:54 AM
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Seth Walder
@SethWalder
If I'm the Jets I'm checking in on the price to move from 13 to 3.
Punch this poopchute in the dick for me, Derek Smalls.
Post by: Coach K on April 12, 2023, 02:31:43 PM
Who is he? That's the dumbest most panicky I don't know how to negotiate take I've ever heard
Punch this poopchute in the dick for me, Derek Smalls.
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2023, 03:35:44 PM
Who is he? That's the dumbest most panicky I don't know how to negotiate take I've ever heardIIRC former NYDN guy, worked with Manish.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 03:37:10 PM
42+43 to the Bengals for 28 and 60.
Works out +/- an early 7th round pick on the chart. If you want back into round 1 for a 5th year option, or to secure a sliding player, like perhaps John Michael Smintz, that’s the spot to pull it off.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 03:37:38 PM
Who is he? That's the dumbest most panicky I don't know how to negotiate take I've ever heard
It’s the same bullshit acolin Cowherd was calling for weeks ago
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2023, 04:44:09 PM
You know what trade up I’d be exploring?
42+43 to the Bengals for 28 and 60.
Works out +/- an early 7th round pick on the chart. If you want back into round 1 for a 5th year option, or to secure a sliding player, like perhaps John Michael Smintz, that’s the spot to pull it off.
Does it make sense for a win now team like the bengals to be trading back though?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2023, 04:55:41 PM
Does it make sense for a win now team like the bengals to be trading back though?
How are they a win-now team?
They are positioned better than just about any franchise for sustained success.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2023, 05:12:48 PM
How are they a win-now team?Elite QB on a rookie contract, with probably one of the best receivers in the league on a rookie deal
They are positioned better than just about any franchise for sustained success.
I'm not suggesting they won't be a good team for years to come. But those rookie contracts for elite players at 2 of the most expensive positions in the league jack up their SB chances.
I also assume that when they give Burrow his new contract they'll minimize his cap hit early on, adding to this being their prime window
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 06:16:12 PM
In reality with a move like this it depends on the board for the Bengals. In a seemingly weak draft with less first round grades than in a “normal year” they may prefer to get out than stay put.
But yes it’s quite clear the Bengals have to desire to move back since we aren’t over paying by tons of value to “force” their hand into doing so.
Post by: insanity on April 14, 2023, 11:12:19 PM
Good read. Sounds like he'll be missed tremendously
Post by: delavan on April 16, 2023, 02:39:50 PM
Zach: 18-25 / 152 / 1 TD (did get knocked out of the game for a short bit late 1st qtr)
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 16, 2023, 04:45:14 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 17, 2023, 12:05:43 AM
I think that was the best game of his career. Was fast, decisive and didn't make any mistakes.I said gee zach is actually good when he's got a clean pocket
Then he proceeded to regress even more lol
Post by: delavan on April 17, 2023, 10:49:01 AM
First Day: April 17
OTA Offseason Workouts: May 22-23, May 25, May 30-31, June 2, June 5-6, June 8-9
Mandatory Minicamp: June 13-15
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2023, 08:19:15 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2023/04/20/nfl-draft-busts-history-zach-wilson-quarterback-ryan-leaf/11641219002/
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 21, 2023, 02:09:16 AM
Some recency bias, and some bias against the Jets, likely in part due to our reputation at Radio City. That's the only way that Kyle Brady over Mike Mamula makes any sense.
Post by: MBGreen on April 21, 2023, 07:12:17 AM
Trade downs being listed as draft busts is very weird. He literally has a midseason trade on the list (at least one - didn't read whole list).
Some recency bias, and some bias against the Jets, likely in part due to our reputation at Radio City. That's the only way that Kyle Brady over Mike Mamula makes any sense.
Mike Mamula was taken ahead of Kyle Brady...you're thinking of Warren Sapp.
C'mon man, you're losing your touch.
Post by: Badger on April 21, 2023, 08:44:13 AM
Mike Mamula was taken ahead of Kyle Brady...you're thinking of Warren Sapp.
C'mon man, you're losing your touch.
He means the only way that Kyle Brady is ranked a bigger bust over Mike Mamula.
Post by: MBGreen on April 21, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
He means the only way that Kyle Brady is ranked a bigger bust over Mike Mamula.
yeah but still
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 21, 2023, 10:41:03 AM
Mike Mamula was taken ahead of Kyle Brady...That's literally my point.
Post by: MBGreen on April 21, 2023, 11:14:29 AM
That's literally my point.
flarf?
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2023, 10:20:11 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/12vhlhs/iso_jets_fan_for_nfl_draft_stream
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 07:35:26 AM
@RichCimini
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1m
Three days to go + here’s what I’m hearing: Most likely pick for #Jets at 13 is OT Broderick Jones. Based on belief that OT Paris Johnson, Jr. will be gone. If Johnson, Jones + Peter Skoronski are gone, could be OT Darnell Wright or trade down. Not buying Jaxon Smith-Njigba buzz
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2023, 08:51:39 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 09:03:44 AM
As it should be.
Give me Wright or Jones over Johnson Jr.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 10:02:41 AM
Give me Wright or Jones over Johnson Jr.
I don't understand this take
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
I don't understand this take
i explained it to you last week.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
i explained it to you last week.
But that is a pretty terrible evaluation.
The poor balance thing just makes no sense.
He struggles with bull rush/power but he has borderline elite athleticism for an offensive lineman.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 10:11:28 AM
But that is a pretty terrible evaluation.
The poor balance thing just makes no sense.
He struggles with bull rush/power but he has borderline elite athleticism for an offensive lineman.
give me the safe pick
also...Paris is a fruity name.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 10:17:59 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 10:21:19 AM
give me the safe pick
I don't think he's any less safe than Wright or Skoronski. He's much safer than Broderick Jones.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 10:22:09 AM
I don't think he's any less safe than Wright or Skoronski. He's much safer than Broderick Jones.
But Jones' ceiling is higher apparently.
Regardless...just give me one of the 4. They all bring positives to the table.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2023, 10:22:38 AM
But Jones' ceiling is higher apparently.
According to who?
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 10:25:54 AM
According to who?
I can't remember...BoyGreen?
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 01:33:28 PM
Quote
Per Cimini on the Flight Deck podcast
"I have heard through the grapevine the #Jets are interested in moving back. I think they are motivated to do that, to pick up extra picks. Don't be surprised if they move back to 16 or 17"
I think if we trade away one of the 2s for Rodgers, this could have some legs. My assumption is that all 4 OL targets would have to be there at 13 in order to go in this direction.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 24, 2023, 08:53:07 PM
I think if we trade away one of the 2s for Rodgers, this could have some legs. My assumption is that all 4 OL targets would have to be there at 13 in order to go in this direction.
Can’t see us going back to 16 or 17 now. Gonna have to be 19 or 21 I’d expect
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2023, 11:54:23 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 29, 2023, 01:32:15 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ljscjle11qwa1.jpg)
You know, if you flip which one each title applies to, there ends up being truth to it.
Post by: reuben on April 29, 2023, 01:58:17 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2023, 02:26:45 PM
they rang it for JE
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 02:36:40 PM
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1653116912900120576?s=20Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.
they rang it for JE
Post by: reuben on May 01, 2023, 02:45:46 PM
Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.
Cousins
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.
Give Rodgers a couple of seasons and then we can draft a guy who busts after two years, that should move us perfectly into position to overpay Prescott for his retirement contract.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
CousinsCousins would literally cause people to sell their season tickets.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2023, 03:25:23 PM
Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.I think there's going to be a good deal of STH turnover this decade as the generation that can actually remember SB III is reaching the age where they're beginning to question whether this is something they want to keep doing 8+ games per year.
One of my dad's friends was on the verge of dropping out if not for Rodgers. He's only continuing on the promise that he won't have to drive the group for any night games.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 01, 2023, 07:36:40 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 01, 2023, 07:38:02 PM
Post by: reuben on May 01, 2023, 07:39:55 PM
my GF bought me season tickets as a birthday surprise a couple of months ago. she's moving in a few months and we're going to break up. i don't know what i did to deserve her
GO TO HER YOU FOOL
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2023, 07:42:20 PM
my GF bought me season tickets as a birthday surprise a couple of months ago. she's moving in a few months and we're going to break up. i don't know what i did to deserve her
more time to tailgate now
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 01, 2023, 08:09:38 PM
GO TO HER YOU FOOL
i'm going to miss her
more time to tailgate now
as kind as the gesture was, i don't even know if i'll be able to go to any games. my schedule can be obnoxiously busy at times and i live far away from ny right now
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 08:49:20 PM
I think there's going to be a good deal of STH turnover this decade as the generation that can actually remember SB III is reaching the age where they're beginning to question whether this is something they want to keep doing 8+ games per year.Really? I thought that moment came 5 years ago. My family held on for a while, and then when I finally moved out of the northeast, that was the last straw.
One of my dad's friends was on the verge of dropping out if not for Rodgers. He's only continuing on the promise that he won't have to drive the group for any night games.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2023, 09:15:17 PM
Really? I thought that moment came 5 years ago. My family held on for a while, and then when I finally moved out of the northeast, that was the last straw.Yeah, I suppose we're already in the midst of it.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
i live far away from ny right now
closer than me
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 02, 2023, 04:23:21 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2023, 05:07:14 PM
Also a 400% increase since I became one. Is it because of Rodgers, or because of me? I guess we'll never know.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2023, 05:16:14 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 02, 2023, 06:06:15 PM
Flight 2023 trailer
Coming May 18th. This is going to basically be Jet fan optimism porn this year. I’m all in.
Hope we get Hard Knocks as well
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 02, 2023, 09:55:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wP7os2c5UI'm really curious how they will cover the McDonald pick.
Flight 2023 trailer
Coming May 18th. This is going to basically be Jet fan optimism porn this year. I’m all in.
Hope we get Hard Knocks as well
And that whole Rodgers thing.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 03, 2023, 05:04:29 AM
I'm really curious how they will cover the McDonald pick.
And that whole Rodgers thing.
I’m sure it won’t be hard, and most of the first episode is going to be Rodgers pursuit IMO.
As for McDonald, there are obviously going to be clips of them gushing over the guys athleticism and movement skills. You don’t take a guy 15 and NOT have said some really good things about the guy. I’m sure they will focus on those. We probably won’t have the inside the war room footage of JD and Saleh fist bumping and JD excitedly chair spinning when he is still on the clock etc. but it will be well edited to make it seem like McDonald is a guy they loved and how they think he’s going to be a game changer for them
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2023, 06:46:10 PM
I’m sure it won’t be hard, and most of the first episode is going to be Rodgers pursuit IMO.
10 minute Rex Hogan monologue about team culture while he grills a single burger patty.
Post by: Jumbo on May 03, 2023, 07:19:39 PM
10 minute Rex Hogan monologue about team culture while he grills a single burger patty.
The culture is actually damn good!
Post by: mj2sexay on May 03, 2023, 08:46:16 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 04, 2023, 07:43:29 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2023, 08:14:46 AM
Given Belichick can't seem to build a draft board for himself worth a excrement it seems like a reach that he'd be able to accurately predict ours. I'm putting this down as JLC making excrement up.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 04, 2023, 08:38:25 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2023, 08:56:13 AM
As fun as this narrative is for the media, I'm inclined to side with Daniel Jeremiah who said that we were targeting Will McDonald all along. And if it were true that the Patriots took a discount in order to freak us, why in the world would we turn right around and trade with them on day 3?
Bill Belichick is an poopchute but he wouldn't hurt his own franchise by taking less to mess with a rival. That's just stupid.
They were targeting Christian Gonzales and once he fell past a certain point, they knew they could move back a bit. The Jets obviously weren't going to take a corner. They probably had some intel on who Washington wanted.
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2023, 09:32:33 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 04, 2023, 09:56:52 AM
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 3 to 4 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 04, 2023, 10:07:54 AM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1654122623989846018
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 4 to 3 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
Given that Mayock thought Clelin Ferrel was the 4th best player in that draft… I’d say we should be glad we stuck and took Q. But Jesus did we need more draft picks that year to help Sam
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2023, 10:22:46 AM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1654122623989846018
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 3 to 4 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
BoyGreen is a bannable offense
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2023, 10:25:45 AM
BoyGreen is a bannable offense
I'll allow it
Post by: Jumbo on May 04, 2023, 11:40:49 AM
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1654122623989846018
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 3 to 4 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
MIKE MACCAGNAN GODKING
Post by: insanity on May 04, 2023, 11:45:03 AM
BoyGreen is a bannable offenseI cannot stand him, his tweets, videos, or articles. It's clickbait bullshit. Joe cap is my second most hated "beat writer"
Post by: Jumbo on May 04, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
https://www.sporcle.com/games/Dreamcast0102/new-york-jets-skill-position-matching
(https://i.ibb.co/BjgbL2P/Screenshot-2023-05-04-142253.png) (https://ibb.co/Qn6L9vc)
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 04, 2023, 05:03:02 PM
How many can you get on this trip down awful memory lane?
https://www.sporcle.com/games/Dreamcast0102/new-york-jets-skill-position-matching
(https://i.ibb.co/BjgbL2P/Screenshot-2023-05-04-142253.png) (https://ibb.co/Qn6L9vc)
50%.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2023, 10:47:51 PM
I cannot stand him, his tweets, videos, or articles. It's clickbait bullshit. Joe cap is my second most hated "beat writer"
Harrison Glaser
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2023, 12:53:51 PM
Draft pick jersey numbers
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2023, 12:57:56 PM
I wonder if we're going to have a #0 this season
no idea....but #81 Kuntz jerseys should be a hot seller.
EDIT: sounds like Breece is pondering it....https://twitter.com/BreeceH/status/1654523549619572736?s=20
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 01:03:14 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 05, 2023, 01:05:05 PM
Post by: reuben on May 05, 2023, 02:50:08 PM
Post by: reuben on May 05, 2023, 03:07:49 PM
How many can you get on this trip down awful memory lane?
https://www.sporcle.com/games/Dreamcast0102/new-york-jets-skill-position-matching
(https://i.ibb.co/BjgbL2P/Screenshot-2023-05-04-142253.png) (https://ibb.co/Qn6L9vc)
68
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 03:22:59 PM
Didn't know about the guess count
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 03:23:49 PM
Post by: reuben on May 05, 2023, 03:30:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AYC3qx0.png)
Didn't know about the guess count
Check out the big brain on berg
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 03:32:24 PM
Check out the big brain on berg
skills that don't pay the bills
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 05, 2023, 04:15:06 PM
Completely forgot about legendary Jets RB Jalin Moore
What about known skill position player Brent Qvale?
Post by: Libero_2 on May 05, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1654509182765113344?s=20
Draft pick jersey numbers
Whoever put McDonald in 99 is wrong. Get him into J-Abe’s old number and fire Solomon Thomas into the sun
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
Whoever put McDonald in 99 is wrong. Get him into J-Abe’s old number and fire Solomon Thomas into the sun
He wore 9 in college and Greg the Leg has that number.
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2023, 07:32:59 PM
Post by: casman02 on May 06, 2023, 06:34:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2023, 11:22:56 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2023, 12:36:43 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 10, 2023, 08:34:20 PM
Gotta admire the consistency from Clemons.
Post by: Coach K on May 11, 2023, 10:21:26 AM
Pagan blood rituals for success
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Post by: Badger on May 11, 2023, 12:35:30 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 14, 2023, 12:31:09 AM
Post by: Coach K on May 15, 2023, 12:14:18 AM
we haven't had a 1000 yard rusher since Chris Ivory did it in 2015Ty Johnson will cone back and change that lolololol
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Post by: Libero_2 on May 16, 2023, 05:16:02 PM
Sounds like we want to be the annual Black Friday host team. Clearly lots of teams want it, as we previously heard about the Bengals. Given we already have the first game “in the bag” one has to assume we have the upper hand.
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
Post by: reuben on May 16, 2023, 06:16:34 PM
Quote
Jets claimed DB Javelin Guidry off waivers from the Falcons.
Guidry, entering his age-25 season in 2023, played in four games with the Raiders last year and mostly helped on special teams. He'll fight for a roster spot as depth in the Jets secondary, and his special teams experience should help him out. This is Guidry's second stint with New York.
Guidry back in the building. He might make the team over Bryce Hall, who is apparently useless.
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 06:54:59 AM
Guidry back in the building. He might make the team over Bryce Hall, who is apparently useless.
Guidry should make the team based on special teams alone.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 08:16:58 AM
I don't hate this since I'm usually not doing anything special that day plus it means we would never play on Thanksgiving, which I do hate.
I feel the exact opposite. I use Friday to get things done, whereas I'm sitting on my derriere all day on Thanksgiving watching the games already anyway.
This'll be a yearly "set the DVR and watch at night" game for me, assuming it's annual.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2023, 11:39:20 AM
I feel the exact opposite. I use Friday to get things done, whereas I'm sitting on my derriere all day on Thanksgiving watching the games already anyway.I grew up with Thanksgiving hosts that absolutely will not put the games on TV, so for me Thanksgiving Jets means missing the game.
This'll be a yearly "set the DVR and watch at night" game for me, assuming it's annual.
The one time my uncle put on the game it was to show off his new DVR. We watched Joey Harrington and Brett Favre throw back to back INTs and then he turned it off again.
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2023, 12:06:47 PM
I grew up with Thanksgiving hosts that absolutely will not put the games on TV, so for me Thanksgiving Jets means missing the game.You are a grown adult. You are allowed to inform your hosts that you are going to watch the game.
The one time my uncle put on the game it was to show off his new DVR. We watched Joey Harrington and Brett Favre throw back to back INTs and then he turned it off again.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2023, 12:09:08 PM
You are a grown adult. You are allowed to inform your hosts that you are going to watch the game.Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 12:09:49 PM
I grew up with Thanksgiving hosts that absolutely will not put the games on TV, so for me Thanksgiving Jets means missing the game.
The one time my uncle put on the game it was to show off his new DVR. We watched Joey Harrington and Brett Favre throw back to back INTs and then he turned it off again.
Oof
Other than my brother-in-law, my wife's entire family is women and had a no TV on holidays rule and they almost all hate sports.
Our first holiday together was a Thanksgiving. My father walked in, said hi to everyone, sat on the best seat on the couch, turned on the game, and that rule died in that instant. Not that I was going to put up with it, but no way they were saying anything to my dad. Miss ya pop!
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 12:10:29 PM
Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
It's. Fine.
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 01:14:48 PM
Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
Seriously?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 17, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
Curious then, on what kind of activities are permitted during Thanksgiving festivities?
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2023, 09:00:25 PM
Curious then, on what kind of activities are permitted during Thanksgiving festivities?Spending quality time with loved ones
Eating
Drinking
Post by: reuben on May 17, 2023, 09:16:55 PM
Spending quality time with loved ones
Eating
Drinking
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Post by: CatoTheElder on May 18, 2023, 09:38:20 AM
Spending quality time with loved ones
Eating
Drinking
But where would I find the time to kill myself?
Post by: Johnny English on May 19, 2023, 01:14:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1659574128154935296
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 21, 2023, 03:35:11 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 21, 2023, 05:59:33 AM
Not wild at all. Check the number of attempts. There's the answer.
Ignore my inability to read charts
But Zach is bad. Independent of LaFleur being bad, the OL being bad and everything else. Zach was a special brand of bad.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 22, 2023, 07:43:18 AM
Quote
Tom Pelissero
Former #Patriots OT Yodny Cajuste will be visiting the #Jets today and the #Giants tomorrow, per source.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 22, 2023, 08:22:05 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 22, 2023, 02:21:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 22, 2023, 02:25:07 PM
With the nfl making this new emergency QB rule essentially allowing teams to carry 3 QBs, how seriously do you we invest in a #3 QB?
We already have Tim Boyle.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 22, 2023, 07:45:28 PM
We already have Tim Boyle.
I think his name is spelled Zach Wilson.
I’ll gladly call a chase Daniel a week into TC to come be our clipboard guy for the season for $1-2 million
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2023, 08:30:27 AM
With the nfl making this new emergency QB rule essentially allowing teams to carry 3 QBs, how seriously do you we invest in a #3 QB?
James Morgan is available
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 03:02:43 PM
This is why you get rid of MLF.
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2023, 03:07:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1661063199146360852?t=wFhKwyWLhLezxE9QsmZFPw&s=19
This is why you get rid of MLF.
You have so many posts in the Hackett thread that I could have quoted here, but I decided to go with this one.
Yeah...i think i hate this hire.
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2023, 03:13:12 PM
You have so many posts in the Hackett thread that I could have quoted here, but I decided to go with this one.That was before we traded for Rodgers....context is key, son.
And to be fair, if Rodgers didn't come to NY the stink from Denver would still be emanating from Hackett.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 24, 2023, 09:51:01 AM
Quote
Adam Schefter
Jets are working out free-agent punter Matt Araiza today, his agent @JLSports3 confirmed.
PuntGod lives
Post by: Libero_2 on May 24, 2023, 09:55:06 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 24, 2023, 12:05:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 24, 2023, 12:11:49 PM
probably a camp leg but not a bad thing to keep talent around, maybe we can practice squad him
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 25, 2023, 09:58:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 25, 2023, 10:29:16 AM
Morstead is also 37, so who knows how much he has left in the tank. However, we gave him some guarantees IIRC so I imagine it's his job at least for this year
he's making 1.1 million guaranteed. He can be cut without shedding a tear.
Post by: MBGreen on May 25, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 25, 2023, 04:26:10 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1661836204751331353?t=a-UhN7paBjOZ8ao0BdgMFA&s=19
for what
Post by: Heismanberg on May 25, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
ooooh
Post by: Libero_2 on May 25, 2023, 05:38:06 PM
Setting that aside if the other driver is “only” getting $55,000 in restitution I imagine it’s not life-changing serious, and that’s the best part of this story.
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2023, 07:04:04 PM
Hopefully the driver is ok. Why do people do stupid things and put others lives at risk?
I don't think "young guy in high powered car runs out of talent" is a particularly unusual story. I don't know about you but when I was 24 I drove like a hooligan, and although I had sporty cars at that age they certainly weren't Redeyes. I'm lucky I never hurt anyone but I certainly smashed a couple of cars up.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 26, 2023, 04:57:22 AM
I don't think "young guy in high powered car runs out of talent" is a particularly unusual story. I don't know about you but when I was 24 I drove like a hooligan, and although I had sporty cars at that age they certainly weren't Redeyes. I'm lucky I never hurt anyone but I certainly smashed a couple of cars up.
I did many dumb things “as a kid” but not on the road. To me it was never worth the risk. Just glad that all it resulted in, is a pair of fucked up cars, a few thousand dollars in damages and a 1 game suspension.
Hopefully Echols learned and doesn’t ever do something so dumb again
Post by: insanity on May 26, 2023, 10:10:14 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 26, 2023, 10:53:33 AM
I did many dumb things “as a kid” but not on the road. To me it was never worth the risk. Just glad that all it resulted in, is a pair of fucked up cars, a few thousand dollars in damages and a 1 game suspension.
Hopefully Echols learned and doesn’t ever do something so dumb again
I wrote a post yesterday then deleted it.
That's not "all" it resulted in. The dude was paralyzed. He testified that he's relearned to walk, though not at pre-accident levels. That's a lot more than just a couple of fucked up cars. He took the paltry 55k likely because, if you've ever dealt with the legal system, your lawyer will almost always tell you to take a settlement rather than risk a jury giving you nothing.
I've got some pretty strong feelings on this subject, but I'll just leave it at the above.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 26, 2023, 10:55:31 AM
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2023, 01:29:27 PM
Going 84 and a 50 isn't smart
I've done worse. Just never hit anyone like that.
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
I've done worse. Just never hit anyone like that.
Same for most of us. There but for the grace of god and all that. I'm not about to get all high and mighty about Echols being one of the unlucky ones.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2023, 07:52:54 PM
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2023, 06:02:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2023, 09:21:13 AM
Joe Namath turned 80 yesterday.Connie Carberg's bday was yesterday too..I hope they made sweet birthday love in a nearby bathroom stall.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 01, 2023, 05:13:10 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2023, 06:14:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1664394124181553154
How old is she?
Post by: delavan on June 02, 2023, 03:45:05 PM
How old is she?12 yrs post-expiration date (in mark years) - she’s cute
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3018183/mediaviewer/rm517141249/?ref_=nm_ov_ph
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2023, 04:51:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
(https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/1/1f/End-an-Erection-Step-4-Version-3.jpg/v4-460px-End-an-Erection-Step-4-Version-3.jpg.webp)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2023, 01:40:07 PM
that would be tampering
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 01:47:47 PM
the rumors are the Jets have a deal worked out for when he gets released
that would be tampering
i didn't see anything....we good.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 01:53:16 PM
NPRB
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 05, 2023, 01:57:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 02:00:55 PM
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 02:05:17 PM
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 02:08:21 PM
We were supposedly targeting Jahmyr Gibbs at 15 and we'd be keeping Cook away from the Dolphins.
If our personnel philosophy revolves around "How can we beat the Dolphins?" we don't deserve to win.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 02:09:39 PM
This Le'Veon Bell guy is a helluva pass blocker and receiver, he'll really help Sam Darnold develop.
so you're saying we'd bring in Cook to help develop *checks notes*...Aaron Rodgers?
interesting strategy, Cotton.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 02:13:08 PM
so you're saying we'd bring in Cook to help develop *checks notes*...Aaron Rodgers?
interesting strategy, Cotton.
I'm saying we shot ourselves in the dick - very recently - by giving big money to an aging running back.
If an offensive tackle of Cook's relative caliber shakes loose, I can justify the expenditure. If the Aaron Rodgers Era is a failure, it'll be because of the line, not the stable.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
I'm saying we shot ourselves in the dick - very recently - by giving big money to an aging running back.
If an offensive tackle of Cook's relative caliber shakes loose, I can justify the expenditure. If the Aaron Rodgers Era is a failure, it'll be because of the line, not the stable.
how many more oline signings do you want? JD went ape excrement signing oline depth all offseason.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 02:16:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2023, 02:27:43 PM
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 02:28:49 PM
how many more oline signings do you want? JD went ape excrement signing oline depth all offseason.
How many more running backs do you want? We've spent a 4th, a 5th, and a high 2nd trade-up on backs in as many years.
We've got a career journeyman in Bill Turner, three tackles returning from major injury (the best of whom is 38-years-old) and a developmental prospect. The rest of them are bodies. I don't know how you can look at that pile and think, "Yeah, we're set."
It makes me think of the jenga scene in The Big Short. Here's a big pile of questionable excrement, but if the pile is big enough, we'll be fine.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2023, 02:54:46 PM
How many more running backs do you want?
At least three.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 02:57:39 PM
At least three.
Best I can do is a mustachioed man named Jy Tohnson.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
Not Q, not wanted.There is money earmarked for Q...not worried about him
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 03:18:36 PM
How many more running backs do you want? We've spent a 4th, a 5th, and a high 2nd trade-up on backs in as many years.I never said I wanted more HBs....but HB talent becomes available a lot easier than OL talent. So you build where you can.
We've got a career journeyman in Bill Turner, three tackles returning from major injury (the best of whom is 38-years-old) and a developmental prospect. The rest of them are bodies. I don't know how you can look at that pile and think, "Yeah, we're set."
It makes me think of the jenga scene in The Big Short. Here's a big pile of questionable excrement, but if the pile is big enough, we'll be fine.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2023, 03:58:42 PM
There is money earmarked for Q...not worried about himStill don't care
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 04:00:23 PM
Still don't careBut why
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2023, 04:45:22 PM
Our backup RBs are mostly unproven. Carter was good as a rookie but they liked Bam and Ty over him last year. Bam was OK but doesn't look special. Abanikanda was a good pick, but he's still a rookie 5th-round pick. That's a group that we can easily upgrade with a veteran on a team that wants to win now. Plus, Breece is coming off an ACL, so there are some lingering questions there. And we rotate running backs anyway.
I always thought Fournette was the guy we might bring in as a veteran RB who can be insurance if Hall isn't ready or if Rodgers and the staff don't trust the young guys. Cook is a much better option. Dalvin isn't as effective as he once was, but he's still good, and he's a clear upgrade.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 05:59:59 PM
I never said I wanted more HBs....but HB talent becomes available a lot easier than OL talent.
The reason for that is smart GM's don't waste money on running backs.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 06:09:17 PM
Cook isn't going to get ridiculous money like Le'veon did
The reason for that is smart GM's don't waste money on running backs.
Post by: delavan on June 05, 2023, 07:48:01 PM
How many more running backs do you want? We've spent a 4th, a 5th, and a high 2nd trade-up on backs in as many years.^ This.
We've got a career journeyman in Bill Turner, three tackles returning from major injury (the best of whom is 38-years-old) and a developmental prospect. The rest of them are bodies.
I don't know how you can look at that pile and think, "Yeah, we're set."
It makes me think of the jenga scene in The Big Short. Here's a big pile of questionable excrement, but if the pile is big enough, we'll be fine.
OL: JAGS in numbers = oodles of ‘meh’
Cook: carries a cap hit of over $14 million
Rogers: Jets still need to restructure AR’s current contract?
QW: long-term extension yet to be finalized
Post by: Libero_2 on June 05, 2023, 08:24:27 PM
The reason for that is smart GM's don't waste money on running backs.
Is 4-5 million dollars to upgrade to a top 5 RB room in the sport wasting money? I don’t think so.
I’d rather have Mike Evans, but to steal a line from a YouTuber, we need to stop saying “this is good enough” when chances to upgrade are on the table. Cook makes us a better team, if the salary is reasonable, it’s worth a serious inquiry if he’s ok being RB 2 getting 200 touches this season while Hall gets up to speed.
If he wants $8-$10 million, he’s not going to a contender, he’s going to a bottom feeder with cash, which won’t be us.
This of course all presumes that Cook get cut, because as you said no one wants that contract.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 08:49:58 PM
Is 4-5 million dollars to upgrade to a top 5 RB room in the sport wasting money? I don’t think so.
I mean... yeah, if Dalvin Cook wants four million a year, he's more than welcome to come here. Maybe you guys have a better read on Cook's market value than I do, but I'm seeing a guy who averaged 1600 yards a season over his last four (pro bowl) seasons. He can and should be looking to get one last big contract. Elsewhere.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2023, 08:51:43 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on June 06, 2023, 03:59:07 AM
I mean... yeah, if Dalvin Cook wants four million a year, he's more than welcome to come here. Maybe you guys have a better read on Cook's market value than I do, but I'm seeing a guy who averaged 1600 yards a season over his last four (pro bowl) seasons. He can and should be looking to get one last big contract. Elsewhere.
I agree with what Grant said. Not worth big bucks, especially to us. I also believe if anybody was even close to valuing him at 14 somebody would trade a 7th for him.
Id much rather trade for Derick Henry and his $10 million salary than pay cook 8. Hes now a good back in the league but not a star. But he has “the name” value, which means somebody will offer him Monday. Cook will likely need to decide what he wants. If he wants to win, he won’t be playing for much money. If he wants to make the most money he’s likely to not be doing much winning.
He needs to be cut first, and then we shall see, but I’d venture he gets 5-8. 8 from a Texans/Panthers level team, and 5 from a team like the Jets,bills, dolphins etc
Post by: MBGreen on June 06, 2023, 08:40:10 AM
We added Ladanian Tomlinson when he was 30, and that worked out pretty good for us. Cook is 3 years younger.
Hall/Cook 1-2 punch would be pretty sweet. Luxury players babbie.
Post by: reuben on June 06, 2023, 01:56:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2023, 06:26:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 07, 2023, 01:50:57 PM
i didn't know Moe Szyslak was a nyjets fan. neat.
Post by: reuben on June 07, 2023, 10:48:06 PM
bad influence
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 07, 2023, 11:01:06 PM
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2023, 06:04:57 AM
Garret Wilson jealousy meter at 7/10.He'll demand a trade by week 4.
Post by: Coach K on June 08, 2023, 09:32:56 AM
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Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 09, 2023, 07:46:19 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 09, 2023, 08:36:49 AM
Will Parks released
Jets legend
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2023, 12:45:03 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 13, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
Post by: insanity on June 13, 2023, 03:00:46 PM
Looking really good for this season
Post by: Heismanberg on June 13, 2023, 03:03:42 PM
If we bring in Kwon and another dt who can play the run we won't have any depth holes.
Micheal Clemons is 290 and he's playing inside/out this season.
Quinnen
Woods
Clemons
JFM
Jefferson
Thomas
That's pretty good. We'll miss Rankins this year but Clemons could be pretty special on passing downs.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 13, 2023, 03:14:57 PM
Post by: reuben on June 13, 2023, 04:47:26 PM
If we bring in Kwon
I think we're just going to platoon our bigger safeties at the position, with Sherwood coming in on obvious rushing downs.
Barnes might get a little playing time there too if he comes along faster than expected.
Post by: delavan on June 16, 2023, 07:13:38 AM
Post by: delavan on June 30, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/jets-fly-at-low-altitude-on-espns-nfl-skill-players-list
Wideouts Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb afford Rodgers some level of familiarity within the offense, but they weren’t helping the Packers last season. Rodgers posted a 62.2 QBR when Cobb and Lazard were on the sideline, but when one or both of those wideouts were on the field, his QBR dropped by 23 points (39.2).
In other words, with those guys off the field, Rodgers was the fifth-best quarterback in football. With one or both involved, he ranked 26th.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 01, 2023, 03:46:48 PM
Post by: delavan on July 01, 2023, 05:41:45 PM
Bill Barnwell freaking sucks
Bill Barnwell freaking sucks
Double that
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Breastfeeding_2_year_old_twins.jpg/180px-Breastfeeding_2_year_old_twins.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 01, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
I think 11th or so is about as high as we can reasonably be. A little surprised we're 22nd, but we're below average at TE1, RB2 and WR2.
I think there's a lot of parity among skill players. As long as you hit a reasonable standard of quality, you should be fine. We're good enough at our skill positions to be a good offense if things click.
Post by: Badger on July 01, 2023, 06:28:21 PM
Bill Barnwell freaking sucksAlso QBR is bullshit
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2023, 01:46:43 PM
100: Garrett Wilson
99: Aaron Rodgers
29: Quinnen Williams
13: Sauce Gardner
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2023, 01:49:17 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2023, 02:05:42 PM
If Aaron Rodgers plays like the 99th best player, I don't see us making it through wildcard weekend
he's not the 99th best player....it's a list from reddit, dude. Jesus.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 13, 2023, 02:08:04 PM
If Aaron Rodgers plays like the 99th best player, I don't see us making it through wildcard weekendIf he plays like a top 10 quarterback, which I believe that would make him, we would be fine.
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2023, 02:26:40 PM
If Aaron Rodgers plays like the 99th best player, I don't see us making it through wildcard weekendBased on the title it seems like the ranking was based purely on 2022 performance. Clearly the Jets are expecting better than that. Obviously if he doesn't rebound then we're not going to have a good time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 13, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
/r/NFL's top 100 players of 2022:
100: Garrett Wilson
99: Aaron Rodgers
29: Quinnen Williams
13: Sauce Gardner
I too loke drugs.
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2023, 04:10:44 PM
he's not the 99th best player....it's a list from reddit, dude. Jesus.
It's actually a pretty well done process - they do it every year, they have lots of rankers, and they have a pretty rigid process. Here's the latest post, with the methodology and process explained at the top:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/14yq6mo/rnfl_top_100_players_of_the_2022_season_2011/
As Badger says, it's firmly about 2022 performance and nothing else. I don't think it's wildly unreasonable to rank Rodgers' 2022 season at #99.
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2023, 04:51:23 PM
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2023, 05:04:33 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1679542727245979666If the Giants are doing it then there's no good reason for the Jets not to - they'll have to switch the turf every game anyway so there's nothing to be gained by going neutral.
Post by: delavan on July 24, 2023, 07:20:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2023, 07:29:10 AM
It's a bit of a listen, but i swear, Rich Eisen is all of us.
Post by: delavan on July 25, 2023, 10:43:10 AM
https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1683559698841100292?s=20Guy’s ‘40 yd dash’ has raised millions for St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hosp. - he’s good money
It's a bit of a listen, but i swear, Rich Eisen is all of us.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2023, 09:17:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
I mean... yeah, if Dalvin Cook wants four million a year, he's more than welcome to come here. Maybe you guys have a better read on Cook's market value than I do, but I'm seeing a guy who averaged 1600 yards a season over his last four (pro bowl) seasons. He can and should be looking to get one last big contract. Elsewhere.
Ok I’m reading that the crux of your argument is that he’s too good and we should instead sign an offensive lineman that doesn’t exist
I’m with you on the 2nd part, and I finally understand what it’s like to read my posts
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2023, 10:53:12 PM
I also think we might just bring back George Fant.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2023, 10:56:14 PM
It makes a ton of sense I just wish Cook had less of an injury history.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2023, 10:56:56 PM
We're all in with cap space. Douglas should absolutely consider trading for an upgrade at tackle.
I also think we might just bring back George Fant.
Get Billy Turner TF outta here
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2023, 12:18:53 AM
We're all in with cap space. Douglas should absolutely consider trading for an upgrade at tackle.
I also think we might just bring back George Fant.
Trade what?
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2023, 12:29:18 AM
Trade what?
If the opportunity is there to trade for good OL, he has to offer up whatever picks we have the next two years. Sell out the entire next two drafts if you have to. We have the tiny window of Rodgers' remaining gas tank. Gotta make it count.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2023, 07:19:44 AM
If the opportunity is there to trade for good OL, he has to offer up whatever picks we have the next two years. Sell out the entire next two drafts if you have to. We have the tiny window of Rodgers' remaining gas tank. Gotta make it count.
I don’t disagree with the philosophy, I just don’t see a potential trade target of a proven starter out there anywhere.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 07:22:26 AM
Trade what?
future considerations
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2023, 09:07:45 AM
Trade what?
You don't have to give up much to take on a contract.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 09:32:53 AM
You don't have to give up much to take on a contract.
Cap Space
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 09:33:23 AM
Cap Space
need dcm's take on dis
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2023, 09:39:14 AM
need dcm's take on dis
"we have to save the money to extend Will McDonald"
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
You don't have to give up much to take on a contract.
Again happy to do so, but who is out there for us to take on, Jonah Williams? Is he even better than Max Mitchell?
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 10:22:32 AM
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2023, 12:57:44 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 12:59:52 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38081850/sean-payton-rips-nathaniel-hackett-broncos-job-jabs-jets?platform=amp
being discussed in the lolbroncos thread
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2023, 01:02:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 01:03:09 PM
Got it - thanks MB
thumbsup.exe
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 04:17:40 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2023, 03:53:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1685692102603141120 (https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1685692102603141120)
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2023, 04:26:47 PM
Per Saleh via Ari Meirov: Zach Wilson and Mekhi Becton will play in the HOF game.Just had an intrusive thought where they reenact the buttfumble.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1685692102603141120 (https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1685692102603141120)
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2023, 04:32:46 PM
Just had an intrusive thought where they reenact the buttfumble.
Is Zach scrambling left or is Becton pushed way out of position?
Post by: reuben on July 31, 2023, 03:28:45 PM
CJ getting some love
Post by: Libero_2 on July 31, 2023, 05:30:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1686066086607740928 (https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1686066086607740928)
CJ getting some love
Honestly as much as Jets fans want to rag on the guy, I think he’s actually become underrated by our fan base. While we may not think it, he was an all pro last year and is considered a top 50 player by his peers. Most people talk about Mosely like he is lucky to be a starter
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2023, 05:45:12 PM
Honestly as much as Jets fans want to rag on the guy, I think he’s actually become underrated by our fan base. While we may not think it, he was an all pro last year and is considered a top 50 player by his peers. Most people talk about Mosely like he is lucky to be a starter
He's just massively overpaid but that was the only way he'd ever agree to come here
Maccagnan was such a joke
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2023, 09:55:07 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 02, 2023, 12:05:56 PM
https://twitter.com/raymickens24/status/1686709163324211201?t=U3h-anUkg_z8tNlTOLcU5w&s=19
Jim Leonhard is #2 on that list? Jesus…. Also how is Victor Green not on it?
You can already put Sauce and DJ Reed on that list.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 02, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2023, 12:26:40 PM
This article is from 2016.Someone tell Ray.
Post by: reuben on August 04, 2023, 09:00:59 PM
I don't trust this pronunciation chart.
You're throwing an H in an otherwise fluid, awesome name like Zaire? Have I just been saying it wrong?
eck-ELS? freak you, ECK-uls.
Kuntz is one syllable, freak that. The cymbal tap doesn't count.
ah-BAH-ni-KAN-DA until I hear him say otherwise.
Post by: insanity on August 05, 2023, 05:51:45 AM
(https://i.redd.it/jy82y7hr11gb1.jpg)Huh. I never realized his name is spelled incorrectly
I don't trust this pronunciation chart.
You're throwing an H in an otherwise fluid, awesome name like Zaire? Have I just been saying it wrong?
eck-ELS? freak you, ECK-uls.
Kuntz is one syllable, freak that. The cymbal tap doesn't count.
ah-BAH-ni-KAN-DA until I hear him say otherwise.
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2023, 09:59:04 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2023, 01:57:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1691505105483272192
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2023, 01:08:37 PM
https://twitter.com/noonernation/status/1695863310858461520?t=SDajfYbTiMrL14Q8o0ZbAQ&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 28, 2023, 01:16:05 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 28, 2023, 01:20:08 PM
Please not this idiocy again
this
Post by: insanity on August 30, 2023, 12:34:59 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 30, 2023, 12:00:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 02, 2023, 07:33:27 PM
But surely this is the fewest 1pm games the Jets have had in a season in forever?
I've seen the schedule, I've just never looked at the times
Post by: Heismanberg on September 02, 2023, 09:20:00 PM
But surely this is the fewest 1pm games the Jets have had in a season in forever?
Do the research and report back
Post by: Libero_2 on September 04, 2023, 01:31:08 PM
Top 2 guesses:
Jamal Adams
Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 04, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1698763688692338729?s=20Alex Lewis and Le'Veon Bell.
Top 2 guesses:
Jamal Adams
Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 04, 2023, 01:52:48 PM
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2023, 04:54:02 PM
https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1696251304509931619?t=AeVXdL6l8axauwfSES59Pg&s=19
Post by: reuben on September 06, 2023, 07:53:46 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 06, 2023, 08:09:27 PM
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1699530179394109644 (https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1699530179394109644)
Brownlee or Gipson?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 06, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Brownlee or Gipson?
Irv Charles
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 06, 2023, 08:20:04 PM
Irv Charles
Completely forgot about him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 06, 2023, 11:25:14 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 06, 2023, 11:44:11 PM
Teams bring in guys for workouts all the time. Doesn't mean anyone is going anywhere. But until Brownlee or Gibson proves themselves, we should keep looking
So Irv Charles is safe? Thank god.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 07, 2023, 09:22:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 07, 2023, 09:25:23 AM
PointsBet is running a promotion right now that if you open an account and place a wager of $50 or more with odds of -500 or longer, you'll receive a $150 promotional credit on Fanatics.com. Figured that would be of interest to anyone that wants to buy a new Jets jersey.
What was your bet?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 07, 2023, 09:27:15 AM
What was your bet?
I'm currently in Cape Cod so can't actually make one until I'm back in New York on Tuesday. The promotion runs until the 18th.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 15, 2023, 09:41:51 PM
What was your bet?
I bet the Jets on the moneyline.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 17, 2023, 05:50:41 PM
I bet the Jets on the moneyline.
And that's why I don't bet on the Jets. At least I got a Breece Hall jersey out of it.
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2023, 12:01:39 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nfl/article/canadian-laurent-duvernay-tardif-announces-retirement-from-football/
Stupid overachieving decent human being freak.
Post by: MBGreen on October 04, 2023, 11:23:50 AM
@ZackBlatt
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1m
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The #Jets activated the practice window for rookies DB Jarrick Bernard-Converse (PUP) and OT Carter Warren (IR).
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 04, 2023, 11:26:14 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 04, 2023, 11:58:16 AM
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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1m
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The #Jets activated the practice window for rookies DB Jarrick Bernard-Converse (PUP) and OT Carter Warren (IR).
I completely forgot about these guys
Post by: insanity on October 04, 2023, 02:20:59 PM
I completely forgot about these guysWas just thinking that. It was until 2 weeks ago that any of our draft picks started playing any snaps.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 04, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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1m
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The #Jets activated the practice window for rookies DB Jarrick Bernard-Converse (PUP) and OT Carter Warren (IR).
I’m actually a bit surprised about this. I believe that means we have 3 or 4 weeks to move them to the active roster. This would indicate that we expect them to not only physically be ready to play, but also take someone’s roster spot.
I don’t think Warren is better than any of our other OL, and we haven’t even seen Converse practice, so I have no idea if he’s good enough to cut a guy like Bryce Hall for. But given we just had Hall covering Travis Kelce Sunday night, I’d wager that’s unlikely.
Post by: reuben on October 05, 2023, 05:22:24 PM
Maximum clown.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 05, 2023, 05:56:25 PM
https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1710047674538353017 (https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1710047674538353017)
Maximum clown.
2 things
1. He ain’t worth $5 million any more
2. $5.5 million is far more money than he is making without a job
I’d be shocked if he was offered that by the jets and said no. I’d be shocked if the jets offered that at all.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 05, 2023, 06:06:38 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2023, 06:35:11 PM
Post by: reuben on October 05, 2023, 06:40:43 PM
"Bo will not punt for the Jets for any less than $3 million per year." Same result.
hows your goofy hat game tho
Post by: steves850 on October 05, 2023, 06:48:32 PM
"Bo will not punt for the Jets for any less than $3 million per year." Same result.This made me realize I would pay some sort of money to watch just regular dudes try and play football.
“Bo shanks another one for a net of 16 yards.”
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2023, 08:26:28 PM
This made me realize I would pay some sort of money to watch just regular dudes try and play football.
“Bo shanks another one for a net of 16 yards.”
If I don't get it blocked I'm confident I could get it 30 yards downfield. Might be a low punt returned for a TD, but I can kick the excrement out of it for a regular dope. $3 million now.
Post by: steves850 on October 09, 2023, 10:30:45 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 09, 2023, 04:20:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2023, 11:08:20 PM
3 Jets trades in here. Lawson for a Chiefs backup OT. Cook for negative draft capital. Hardman for Donovan Peoples-Jones. I'd be happy with all of these.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2023, 11:23:34 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38631107/2023-nfl-trade-deadline-15-offers-players-draft-picks-jerry-jeudy-danielle-hunter-marquise-brown
3 Jets trades in here. Lawson for a Chiefs backup OT. Cook for negative draft capital. Hardman for Donovan Peoples-Jones. I'd be happy with all of these.
I would love DPJ, he's a really fun player. Last time we traded for a Browns receiver mid season it worked out pretty well.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2023, 04:21:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2023, 05:16:02 PM
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2023, 04:01:04 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 18, 2023, 04:22:32 PM
Blake Cashman defensive player of the week
Maccagnan Knew
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2023, 08:35:29 AM
Post by: reuben on October 19, 2023, 09:30:20 AM
Come to us, Davante.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 09:38:41 AM
Blake Cashman Maccagnanclass
Hackenberg will be the next Tommy Maddox
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 09:39:51 AM
Hackenberg will be the next Tommy MaddoxXFL MVP: six letters that strike fear into the hearts of millions.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2023, 10:09:42 AM
Te Adams, not happy in Vegas.
Come to us, Davante.
I keep falling for clickbait "rumors" and internally yelling at myself to not get my hopes up.
But it's hard. I just don't think we can afford him.
Per spotrac, he's a $14.7M hit this year, and we're showing $9.1M space under our cap right now. It would take some magic to make it work. Lawson's only $3M, so even if we traded him we'd still need to do more. We could give up a pick to move Cook's $7M, but we'd also lose premium picks to get Adams, so I don't see how it's possible.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 11:04:56 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2023, 11:15:31 AM
Baring a miracle, this is our offense. Hopefully Jason Brownlee can show something.
Agreed, we're probably not adding anyone significant at this point.
I'd love to know why Brownlee is MIA. He made the team before Gipson. Obviously, Gip gets in over him because of ST, but other than salary, what was keeping Brownlee off the roster behind Hardman? (Hopefully, that's the only answer and they start activating him every week going forward.)
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 11:22:11 AM
I'd love to know why Brownlee is MIA.
Because Irv Charles and Zay Gipson are more impactful special teamers
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2023, 11:29:22 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 11:32:43 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 11:33:47 AM
I'm hoping that Ruckert takes over for Uzomah after the bye. He's much better in the passing game.
Bring the Ruckert
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2023, 11:36:23 AM
Bring the Ruckert
Ruck if you buttfuck
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 11:42:24 AM
The Giants have 100 slot receivers. We can't get Parris Campbell for the same deal we just gave for Hardman? Greg Dortch? Rondale Moore? There are guys out there that aren't playing on other teams that would be upgrades over what we have. We could also try to give up more for a Jeudy/Sutton.
I think the most likely scenario is they try to give Gipson more playing time, and maybe Brownlee, too. But when JD mapped out this WR corps, 2 of the 4 guys he was likely planning to play roles are gone.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 11:50:03 AM
I thought the idea we would trade for an OL was a miracle. I don't know if that's true at wide receiver.
The Giants have 100 slot receivers. We can't get Parris Campbell for the same deal we just gave for Hardman? Greg Dortch? Rondale Moore? There are guys out there that aren't playing on other teams that would be upgrades over what we have. We could also try to give up more for a Jeudy/Sutton.
I think the most likely scenario is they try to give Gipson more playing time, and maybe Brownlee, too. But when JD mapped out this WR corps, 2 of the 4 guys he was likely planning to play roles are gone.
We don't have anything of quality to trade for actual quality.
At the very least I think the CS gives the current roster a week before they try and make a move for someone. They kept Brownlee for a reason. Gipson can move the chains when the ball is in his hands.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 12:01:44 PM
We don't have anything of quality to trade for actual quality.We have draft picks. And Greg Dortch doesn't require a ton.
At the very least I think the CS gives the current roster a week before they try and make a move for someone. They kept Brownlee for a reason. Gipson can move the chains when the ball is in his hands.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 12:05:43 PM
We have draft picks. And Greg Dortch doesn't require a ton.
Who the freak is Greg Dortch?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 12:21:46 PM
Who the freak is Greg Dortch?Don't let SFD see you posted this.
A better slot receiver than Randall Cobb who we could probably get for a late 2025 pick swap.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 12:41:40 PM
Don't let SFD see you posted this.
A better slot receiver than Randall Cobb who we could probably get for a late 2025 pick swap.
Should I not have DMed him?
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2023, 01:07:44 PM
How Ruckert wasn't already a bigger part of the offense is beyond me, but hopefully, this changes after the bye too.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2023, 01:21:56 PM
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1715067970051813418
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
My point with Brownlee is that it's hard to believe he's worse than Hardman and Cobb.
He isn't a slot option like Cobb or Hardman or Gipson.
You guys hate on Cobb, but he's in the right place and he gets the other dudes lined up on or off the ball. That helps Zach out tremendously. We eventually won't need him out there but he fixes a lot of the mistakes we saw under LaFleur.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 02:27:19 PM
He isn't a slot option like Cobb or Hardman or Gipson.Zach is 54% comp, 4.6 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 4 Int with Cobb on the field
You guys hate on Cobb, but he's in the right place and he gets the other dudes lined up on or off the ball. That helps Zach out tremendously. We eventually won't need him out there but he fixes a lot of the mistakes we saw under LaFleur.
Zach is 70% comp, 8.2 yds per attempt, 3 TD, 1 Int with Cobb off the field.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2023, 02:29:32 PM
He isn't a slot option like Cobb or Hardman or Gipson.
You guys hate on Cobb, but he's in the right place and he gets the other dudes lined up on or off the ball. That helps Zach out tremendously. We eventually won't need him out there but he fixes a lot of the mistakes we saw under LaFleur.
I don't hate Cobb, but he's near invisible out there. Lazard kind of is too. But it's fair that they bring other things to the offense than flashy catches.
I just wish we had someone out there on the opposite side of the field from Garrett to take some of the attention--especially in the red zone. I guess we'll see what Hackett comes up with over the next week and a half.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 02:30:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 02:42:30 PM
Is it possible we can find a slot WR who knows the playbook/alignments AND how to catch the ball?
He made one of the toughest, most clutch catches of the season for us against Philly on the two point conversion. He redeemed himself with that one.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 02:43:49 PM
Zach is 54% comp, 4.6 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 4 Int with Cobb on the field
Zach is 70% comp, 8.2 yds per attempt, 3 TD, 1 Int with Cobb off the field.
That's only passing downs. How quickly we forget how bad Denzel Mims was a simply lining up on or off the football. Or false starting for no reason and killing drives.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 02:44:34 PM
He made one of the toughest, most clutch catches of the season for us against Philly on the two point conversion.
Yes.
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He redeemed himself with that one.
No.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 03:04:07 PM
That's only passing downs. How quickly we forget how bad Denzel Mims was a simply lining up on or off the football. Or false starting for no reason and killing drives.3.8 yds per rush with him on and 5.9 yds per rush with him off.
Look, I agree that Cobb helps players line up and doesn't commit stupid mistakes (except in preseason). But the bar needs to be higher than that. And while Hackett's offense is new, it's not like our offense is full of rookies. The Jets go from a top-10 offense with Cobb off the field to by far the worst offense in the NFL when Cobb is on the field. I'm not saying all of that is Cobb's fault, but he's played about half the snaps, so it's not an insignificant sample size.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2023, 03:07:07 PM
3.8 yds per rush with him on and 5.9 yds per rush with him off.
That's not how this works and you know it.
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
Zach is 54% comp, 4.6 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 4 Int with Cobb on the fieldYeah but still
Zach is 70% comp, 8.2 yds per attempt, 3 TD, 1 Int with Cobb off the field.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2023, 05:29:41 PM
That's not how this works and you know it.Then make it how it works.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 07:10:44 PM
- the on/off stats are horrifically bad (which they are)
- the actual stats are the worst of any WR in the NFL (which they are)
....then it's pretty clear that Randall Cobb is a problem.
I don't want to hate Cobb. I loved him in college. I loved him in Green Bay. He seems like a great guy. But he cannot play nearly half of our snaps. This is like playing Frank Gore in 2020, except we aren't trying to tank.
If the solution is to play more Gipson, then fine. But if we're trying to compete for a playoff spot - and we should be trying at this point - then we need somebody better than Cobb playing on the field. Especially when your WR2 is Allen Lazard.
Zach isn't a great QB, but we need to give him help. Lazard isn't that good, but he's big and can block. Cobb is a willing blocker, and he may help get people aligned correctly, but we can't play both of them together with Zach at QB and have a high-level passing game.
We could survive Cobb if we had Garrett Wilson and Davante Adams on the outside. But we have Lazard. We can't have 2 receivers playing a ton of snaps whose best qualities are things that don't include receiving. Lazard is fine, but we really could use a dynamic slot receiver to go with them. At the very least, we need someone better than the least productive receiver in the NFL in over a decade.
https://twitter.com/TheJetPress/status/1715048698328109290
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
I think stats always need to be part of the story, but if...I've never seen a stat so convincingly reinforce the eye test.
- the on/off stats are horrifically bad (which they are)
- the actual stats are the worst of any WR in the NFL (which they are)
....then it's pretty clear that Randall Cobb is a problem.
I don't want to hate Cobb. I loved him in college. I loved him in Green Bay. He seems like a great guy. But he cannot play nearly half of our snaps. This is like playing Frank Gore in 2020, except we aren't trying to tank.
If the solution is to play more Gipson, then fine. But if we're trying to compete for a playoff spot - and we should be trying at this point - then we need somebody better than Cobb playing on the field. Especially when your WR2 is Allen Lazard.
Zach isn't a great QB, but we need to give him help. Lazard isn't that good, but he's big and can block. Cobb is a willing blocker, and he may help get people aligned correctly, but we can't play both of them together with Zach at QB and have a high-level passing game.
We could survive Cobb if we had Garrett Wilson and Davante Adams on the outside. But we have Lazard. We can't have 2 receivers playing a ton of snaps whose best qualities are things that don't include receiving. Lazard is fine, but we really could use a dynamic slot receiver to go with them. At the very least, we need someone better than the least productive receiver in the NFL in over a decade.
https://twitter.com/TheJetPress/status/1715048698328109290
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 07:42:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2023, 09:27:33 AM
Post by: Coach K on October 20, 2023, 05:10:58 PM
He isn’t good and we have an internal replacement ready to go in Gipper. Hopefully the snaps start to go his wayThis
Tuggaliscious Tendencies
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
I don't like trading away draft picks for mid level rentals but if we can get a #3 worth keeping around past their current deal then I'd be all for it. I'd also like to see.what we have in Brownlee and Gipson as receiver options before the trade deadline expires. X has had a couple of looks but I'd like to see him get more significant snaps.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 20, 2023, 06:20:26 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 20, 2023, 06:32:49 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 20, 2023, 06:40:36 PM
We only have 4 players above 50 receiving yards: GW, Conklin, Lazard, and Breece, and Lazard is on pace for ~550 yards. Third option of some sort is definitely needed
I don't know if anyone can get enough yards with Zach at QB. He's definitely playing better, but he isn't lighting up the yardage charts. You could bring in Davante Adams and he'd get 50 yards a game with Zach. I think the QB and the playcalling is the issue.
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2023, 07:00:35 PM
I'd also like to see.what we have in Brownlee and Gipson as receiver options
Not picking on you specifically here, but this is one of my most hated expressions in sports fandom. If they're not on the field it's because they're not showing the coaches who work with them every day enough in training to justify getting actual reps, so either you think that being under the glare of floodlights, TV cameras and 80K drunk yelling people they're going to suddenly find another gear, or you don't trust the opinion of the coaches.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2023, 07:02:10 PM
I don't know if anyone can get enough yards with Zach at QB. He's definitely playing better, but he isn't lighting up the yardage charts. You could bring in Davante Adams and he'd get 50 yards a game with Zach. I think the QB and the playcalling is the issue.I also think that our current group of pass catchers is below average. Wilson is a top 15 WR in the NFL but outside of Breece as a pass catching RB, we are average at tight end and below average at WR.
Wilson is definitely part of it but he needs some help
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
Not picking on you specifically here, but this is one of my most hated expressions in sports fandom. If they're not on the field it's because they're not showing the coaches who work with them every day enough in training to justify getting actual reps, so either you think that being under the glare of floodlights, TV cameras and 80K drunk yelling people they're going to suddenly find another gear, or you don't trust the opinion of the coaches.The other issue is that Gipson is more of a return man than WR at this point. He was an inconsistent pass catcher in preseason. And Brownlee is an outside receiver.
That's why I think this need could be filled in a trade. Slot receivers are easier to get than OL.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2023, 07:05:24 PM
Not picking on you specifically here, but this is one of my most hated expressions in sports fandom. If they're not on the field it's because they're not showing the coaches who work with them every day enough in training to justify getting actual reps, so either you think that being under the glare of floodlights, TV cameras and 80K drunk yelling people they're going to suddenly find another gear, or you don't trust the opinion of the coaches.We saw this tram lean on vets because they were vets and have it hurt us before. They're on the 53 roster because they showed the coaching staff something.
I just want to see the CS give them a chance before we start spending the future on the present.
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
We saw this tram lean on vets because they were vets and have it hurt us before. They're on the 53 roster because they showed the coaching staff something.
I just want to see the CS give them a chance before we start spending the future on the present.
I understand, but Cobb is ARod's guy. It's not like they're leaving him in there because Zach will be pissed if he isn't, so it has to be because Gipson isn't showing enough to replace him in that role. Maybe there is a loyalty from Hack to Cobb, but still. Pretty sure he wants to win and is going to put the personnel out there who give us the best chance to do that. I don't know how well Gipson can play the slot role but if he isn't showing enough in training to convince the coaches then he shouldn't be doing it on game day just because we want to see if he can.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2023, 07:36:34 PM
I understand, but Cobb is ARod's guy. It's not like they're leaving him in there because Zach will be pissed if he isn't, so it has to be because Gipson isn't showing enough to replace him in that role. Maybe there is a loyalty from Hack to Cobb, but still. Pretty sure he wants to win and is going to put the personnel out there who give us the best chance to do that. I don't know how well Gipson can play the slot role but if he isn't showing enough in training to convince the coaches then he shouldn't be doing it on game day just because we want to see if he can.Who the freak is ARod?
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2023, 08:03:15 PM
Who the freak is ARod?
Alex Rodriguez. Played shortstop for the Yankees. Also the nickname of our highly paid quarterback.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2023, 08:06:46 PM
Alex Rodriguez. Played shortstop for the Yankees. Also the nickname of our highly paid quarterback.Is that the same guy the Jets hired as a QB coach?
Post by: reuben on October 21, 2023, 04:56:14 PM
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The Las Vegas Raiders have been shopping wide receiver Hunter Renfrow while inquiring about a pass rusher since moving on from Chandler Jones. I recently spoke to Raiders owner Mark Davis at the annual fall league meeting in New York and asked him, “You sellers?” He responded, “We’re trying to win.” This aligns with the conversations I have had around the league about the Raiders’ philosophy: They are looking to successfully compete, not tear down.
Renfrow for Lawson
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2023, 05:23:07 PM
https://theathletic.com/4983672/2023/10/21/nfl-trade-deadline-latest-updates/ (https://theathletic.com/4983672/2023/10/21/nfl-trade-deadline-latest-updates/)
Renfrow for Lawson
That’d be neat.
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2023, 05:52:20 PM
https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/10/23/ny-jets-victories-nyc-bar-tabsTempting. Too bad our easiest games are missing.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2023, 09:20:18 AM
Jets (18th) .500
NE (17th) .507
Miami (11th) .530
Buffalo (6th) .554
All three still have the Chiefs, Buffalo and Miami still have the Cowboys, Buffalo still have the Eagles.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
Jets have the easiest remaining SOS.
Jets (18th) .500
NE (17th) .507
Miami (11th) .530
Buffalo (6th) .554
All three still have the Chiefs, Buffalo and Miami still have the Cowboys, Buffalo still have the Eagles.
All about winning winnable games. That's been a struggle over the years. We don't have a good offense, but we don't need one to beat most of these teams.
The one thing that annoys the excrement out of me that we need to change is that every freaking game we start out in the hole down 7-10 points. Just for once, it would be nice to score a TD first and be winning early, not having to claw our way back in it. This team is like an poopchute that can't seem to be comfortable unless they are freaking up things in their life. I think I would be anxiety-ridden if we actually got a big lead early. It would be so out of character I wouldn't know what to think.
Post by: reuben on October 26, 2023, 11:54:06 PM
Supports the eye test for all three of our guys.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 27, 2023, 06:42:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9O3z1AbwAAzVx1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Supports the eye test for all three of our guys.
You just don't understand what Randall Cobb brings to a friendship.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 30, 2023, 10:41:26 PM
What does it mean?
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 31, 2023, 07:54:23 PM
Our SNF game against the Raiders was NOT flexed out.
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2023, 10:10:05 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1719495961905434912 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1719495961905434912)We're America's team
Our SNF game against the Raiders was NOT flexed out.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 31, 2023, 11:51:45 PM
We're America's team
Top 4 most watched game of the year incoming
Post by: reuben on November 01, 2023, 11:29:26 PM
I wanted the Jets to draft him but was relieved when it turned out he was a shithead as a pro. Maybe he's matured.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2023, 10:49:58 AM
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1719819094709477539 (https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1719819094709477539)
I wanted the Jets to draft him but was relieved when it turned out he was a shithead as a pro. Maybe he's matured.
This does not sound like a locker room fit:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2023, 11:06:56 AM
This does not sound like a locker room fit:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
Damn that’s like 4 strikes in 4 months
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2023, 11:13:25 AM
This does not sound like a locker room fit:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
That's a whole lot of red flags.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2023, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2023, 12:04:27 PM
He'll pull a gun on another woman: Tua
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2023, 12:32:47 PM
This does not sound like a locker room fit:I would argue if you think the guy is somewhat redeemable, our locker room is good enough to take a problem child if you think the skillset is worth it. I have no idea if it's worth it in this case. But if you're assaulting a woman, I'm happy to pass on him.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
Douglas tried hard to get Tyreek, and he's looking at Winfrey, so he doesn't look like it as a hardline no.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2023, 01:17:15 PM
In the words of Jay-Z: not guilty, y'all got to feel me.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 02, 2023, 04:06:30 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2023, 04:12:07 PM
You guys buy into any of the Corey is coming back rumors?
Not really.
It’d be cool to have someone who isn’t Cobb or Lazard but I don’t think his hands would be significantly better than Lazard’s.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2023, 04:59:48 PM
I don’t think his hands would be significantly better than Lazard’s.
They are not
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2023, 05:55:41 PM
You guys buy into any of the Corey is coming back rumors?I haven't heard them so by default I'm not buying them.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2023, 06:12:12 PM
I haven't heard them so by default I'm not buying them.
It's one guy saying he has a "feeling"
soxx funny feeling
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2023, 06:31:19 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2023, 08:09:20 PM
It's one guy saying he has a "feeling"
soxx funny feeling
From what I saw it originated with some "NFL Rumors" account and immediately people started saying it was a completely unreliable account.
Post by: Jumbo on November 02, 2023, 11:37:36 PM
It's one guy saying he has a "feeling"
soxx funny feeling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2023, 01:46:30 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2023, 01:48:46 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSMornings/status/1720468398260302119?t=pTifyT-NXGzhobQHGKrpbQ&s=19Jets' kitchen staff is Arbys
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2023, 01:50:13 PM
Jets' kitchen staff is ArbysIf it was I'd believe Denzel Mims.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2023, 07:59:58 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1721520841966387684 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1721520841966387684)
Post by: MBGreen on November 07, 2023, 07:05:48 AM
seeing this made my eyes bleed
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2023, 07:21:44 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 07, 2023, 07:25:00 AM
Lmao we were ranked higher with LaFleur.
i remember when we almost hired Todd Monken. #SoClose
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 07, 2023, 08:59:10 AM
Post by: reuben on November 07, 2023, 11:13:09 AM
https://x.com/nfl_memes/status/1721742004927828060?s=46&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQ
Spit out my coffee
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 08, 2023, 01:12:34 PM
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https://www.newyorkjets.com/photos/gallery-celebrity-photos-from-monday-night-football-vs-the-chargers
I freaking can't stand "influencers"
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2023, 02:44:10 PM
I freaking can't stand "influencers"
Influencers are the NFTs of people.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 08, 2023, 02:52:35 PM
Influencers are the NFTs of people.
People are the NFTs of the planet.
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2023, 03:00:41 PM
People are the NFTs of the planet.Planets are the NFTs of stars.
Post by: MBGreen on November 15, 2023, 10:21:53 AM
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
The #Jets activated TE Kenny Yeboah’s 21-day practice window.
we back
(https://c.tenor.com/n8DB4bmpduIAAAAM/yeah-bwoi-grin.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 15, 2023, 10:41:50 AM
we back
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Uzomah cryptonite
Post by: Johnny English on November 17, 2023, 04:57:32 PM
We actually drop to 7th when QB salaries are factored in, and 8th if you include Burrow.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2023, 05:23:46 PM
https://twitter.com/ameliaprobst/status/1725612820660707738
We actually drop to 7th when QB salaries are factored in, and 8th if you include Burrow.
Yeah that makes sense.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 20, 2023, 10:41:57 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/11/19/news/jets-legend-joe-namath-accused-of-allowing-child-sex-abuse-at-football-camp-from-hero-to-zero/amp/
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 20, 2023, 10:59:16 AM
So uhh yeah
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/11/19/news/jets-legend-joe-namath-accused-of-allowing-child-sex-abuse-at-football-camp-from-hero-to-zero/amp/
JFC
Can we rid the world of Namath now?
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2023, 01:47:51 PM
Post by: Coach K on November 20, 2023, 02:36:32 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2023, 11:34:22 AM
Need that carcoochie board for Thanksgiving dinner!
Post by: Coach K on November 22, 2023, 11:36:01 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1727342327994212407 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1727342327994212407)They need to quit playing with this dude
Need that carcoochie board for Thanksgiving dinner!
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2023, 11:44:38 AM
They need to quit playing with this dude
He's gonna bounce back and forth until he gives up. I'm happy for the guy to have a job. He just doesn't have a permanent place on this DLine.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2023, 01:30:48 PM
They need to quit playing with this dude
Team perspective: He's a JAG DLine who is valuable depth when enough people get injured and we don't have the talent to fill other positions.
His perspective: He probably doesn't want to move his family or leave them for a mid or late season contract offer that might not work out. I'm guessing he tries to find another team in the offseason.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2023, 01:57:25 PM
They need to quit playing with this dudehttps://youtu.be/2hshkdneE8o
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2023, 10:21:01 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 23, 2023, 10:25:16 AM
https://youtu.be/2hshkdneE8oHahaha this for sure
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 23, 2023, 11:12:16 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2023, 07:30:27 PM
^^We're not last!
If you go back a few years we probably are
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 08, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
Ty Conklin easily
Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2023, 11:42:16 AM
https://x.com/nyjets/status/1732909100877451300?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ty Conklin easily
It's clearly Rodgers and I'm not just saying that because I have the exact same look going on, honest.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2023, 12:03:19 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 08, 2023, 12:54:05 PM
https://x.com/nyjets/status/1732909100877451300?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ty Conklin easily
Absolutely Conklin. Dude should be out chopping wood.
Loved one of the replies. Probably belongs in the wit and wisdom thread.
https://twitter.com/Surge79675/status/1732931691960844333 (https://twitter.com/Surge79675/status/1732931691960844333)
Post by: Coach K on December 08, 2023, 01:22:48 PM
Post by: Coach K on December 10, 2023, 10:30:28 AM
We all know that's the only change coming
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2023, 10:39:25 AM
Can just fire Calabrese carter and Downing now?Can't
We all know that's the only change coming
Hackett is incapable of making a playcalling decision on his own
Post by: casman02 on January 03, 2024, 07:33:03 PM
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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29m
CB Sauce Gardner and DT Quinnen Williams named Pro Bowl starters for the second straight year, the #Jets announce.
That's it. No other Pro Bowlers.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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3m
Six #Jets were named alternates: K Greg Zuerlein (first alternate), P Thomas Morstead (first), LB C.J. Mosley (third), RB Breece Hall (fifth), LB Quincy Williams (fifth) and DE/LB Jermaine Johnson (fifth).
Quincy was robbed
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2024, 08:46:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2024, 09:17:24 PM
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2024, 09:23:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2024, 09:30:13 PM
Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, let's see what happens when the all-pro team is announced.
Don't you deny me my righteous anger.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2024, 11:00:14 PM
Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, let's see what happens when the all-pro team is announced.
I’d bet the same, with the potential exception is Lil Q as a 3rd teamer.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 09, 2024, 01:47:45 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 30, 2024, 09:13:46 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 31, 2024, 11:30:45 AM
Shawn Jefferson back as WR coach, maybe we can get a discount on Van Jefferson? He will fit in as a JAG in the locker roomLazard and Van Jefferson have consistently rated out as terrible receivers elsewhere, so bringing in both in consecutive offseasons would be very Jets.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 31, 2024, 11:46:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 31, 2024, 11:50:44 AM
Lazard and Van Jefferson have consistently rated out as terrible receivers elsewhere, so bringing in both in consecutive offseasons would be very Jets.
Van Jefferson would be an upgrade over Gipson and Cobb as WR4 or WR5. If we sign him to be WR2, we are cooked.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 31, 2024, 11:54:52 AM
Van Jefferson would be an upgrade over Gipson and Cobb as WR4 or WR5. If we sign him to be WR2, we are cooked.
This.
Are the Jags letting Calvin Ridley go? I wouldn't mind him as a short term solution if we can't pull in a bigger free agent or someone in the first round of the draft.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 31, 2024, 12:55:06 PM
This.
Are the Jags letting Calvin Ridley go? I wouldn't mind him as a short term solution if we can't pull in a bigger free agent or someone in the first round of the draft.
Ridley would be a great signing for us.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 09, 2024, 12:22:07 AM
• “We need a backup QB. We didn’t have one last year.”
• On Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh: “The discussions we’ve had the last couple of months, they’ve seen me about as mad as I can be.”
• “I’m not a playoff mandate guy but we have to do a lot better than 7 wins… This is it. We have to produce this year.”
• On putting down natural grass at MetLife: “We discuss it at least once a week.” Added that it’s a challenge with how many events there are at MetLife.
https://x.com/ustadium/status/1755754002191356259?s=46
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 09, 2024, 01:23:37 AM
That old dude can die.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2024, 07:46:48 AM
“He’s a developmental backup”
“Your owner said he wasn’t”
Post by: Badger on February 14, 2024, 06:08:47 PM
https://twitter.com/NYJetsTFMedia/status/1757918781945565579?t=RTw9iWnvdi7-uswWLtT07Q&s=19
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 28, 2024, 05:48:04 AM
https://x.com/gustoon/status/1762589568065274296?s=46
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2024, 07:23:59 AM
We might be going back to London this season…
https://x.com/gustoon/status/1762589568065274296?s=46
If you go, will you slap the excrement out of Gustoon for all of us?
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2024, 08:29:23 AM
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2024, 09:06:03 AM
Jets official game day broadcast moves to Q104.3 ("New York's Classic Rock Station") as of this season.Was just coming in to post this. Weird move but ok.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 28, 2024, 10:40:46 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2024, 11:04:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2024, 11:06:33 AM
Bob Salad with a milquetoast grade from the NFLPA....on the same tier as Eberflus and Brandon Staley lol.
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2024, 11:29:21 AM
https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1762874111808733491?s=20
Bob Salad with a milquetoast grade from the NFLPA....on the same tier as Eberflus and Brandon Staley lol.
SBTBB
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2024, 11:45:33 AM
https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1762874111808733491?s=20Kind of a reach to call a B a bad grade.
Bob Salad with a milquetoast grade from the NFLPA....on the same tier as Eberflus and Brandon Staley lol.
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2024, 11:54:35 AM
Kind of a reach to call a B a bad grade.
he's in the bottom third...with a guy that got fired and another guy that's picking 1st overall at the draft.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2024, 01:09:10 PM
lmao
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2024, 01:19:06 PM
Frank Reich: A-
lmao
Kevin O'Connell - A+
wasn't he our QB coach?
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 28, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
Kevin O'Connell - A+I don't think he was ever on our staff, but he was on our team in 2009-10.
wasn't he our QB coach?
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2024, 01:28:09 PM
I don't think he was ever on our staff, but he was on our team in 2009-10.
Oh right..he was our 3rd stringer for 3 seasons.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 29, 2024, 03:48:35 AM
If you go, will you slap the excrement out of Gustoon for all of us?
Promised
Post by: MBGreen on February 29, 2024, 07:10:32 AM
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uSTADIUM
@uSTADIUM
6 teams will propose pushing the NFL Trade Deadline back two weeks from Week 8 to Week 10, per @jjones9
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The #Browns, #Eagles, #Jets, #49ers, #Lions and #Commanders are the 6 teams that are set to propose it.
The idea behind it is to increase trade activity and intrigue as teams believed the deadline is too early to decide if they are buyers or sellers.
Right now it’s believed that owners are split on the idea, as they believe pushing the deadline back will increase tanking.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 29, 2024, 08:14:43 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 29, 2024, 08:21:15 AM
Why would pushing back the deadline increase tanking? I don't understand this thinking in sports. If you can trade later, you can make your team better later, so you can fight a little longer to stay in the hunt. Once the deadline comes, if you feel like you're out of it and you sell, you have nothing but the tank to look forward to.
Because if there's less season left you have more idea of your chances of making the playoffs, and thus teams will become more motivated sellers at the deadline. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if the NFL ends up with the concept of rentals in the way hockey does.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 29, 2024, 08:34:50 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 29, 2024, 08:35:31 AM
Because if there's less season left you have more idea of your chances of making the playoffs, and thus teams will become more motivated sellers at the deadline. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if the NFL ends up with the concept of rentals in the way hockey does.
Right, which is why having more time after the deadline like now should logically increase tanking rather than the other way around. A shorter post-deadline period should keep more teams fighting for longer before giving up.
Post by: Johnny English on February 29, 2024, 08:59:13 AM
Right, which is why having more time after the deadline like now should logically increase tanking rather than the other way around. A shorter post-deadline period should keep more teams fighting for longer before giving up.
The Cleveland GM had an interesting set of data on it in a press chat at the Combine - essentially the NFL deadline comes 45% of the way through the season at which point virtually no one is out of the running, so teams are reluctant to sell unless it's a disgruntled player or a deal you can't refuse. By moving it later which would be more in line with other sports, teams are likely to be more realistic about playoff chances and sell to tank.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 29, 2024, 10:45:20 AM
The Cleveland GM had an interesting set of data on it in a press chat at the Combine - essentially the NFL deadline comes 45% of the way through the season at which point virtually no one is out of the running, so teams are reluctant to sell unless it's a disgruntled player or a deal you can't refuse. By moving it later which would be more in line with other sports, teams are likely to be more realistic about playoff chances and sell to tank.
I just think those same teams are going to tank anyway. They may as well get assets to assist in the next rebuild and teams that are in the hunt can improve. I'm a fan of pushing trade deadlines later in other sports too. I didn't like baseball dumping the waiver trade deadline; I'd have preferred they change it to an extended regular deadline. Later deadlines make better playoff teams while helping bad teams work on their future.
Post by: Johnny English on February 29, 2024, 10:47:35 AM
I just think those same teams are going to tank anyway. They may as well get assets to assist in the next rebuild and teams that are in the hunt can improve. I'm a fan of pushing trade deadlines later in other sports too. I didn't like baseball dumping the waiver trade deadline; I'd have preferred they change it to an extended regular deadline. Later deadlines make better playoff teams while helping bad teams work on their future.
100% agree, it would make the deadline more interesting and more useful to teams on both the buy and sell side.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 29, 2024, 03:05:16 PM
100% agree, it would make the deadline more interesting and more useful to teams on both the buy and sell side.
This is how it should be presented.
Everyone wants more competitive post season play. Which teams that are going for it, need to be able to “buy” and they can only do that if teams are willing to sell. Right now the NFL deadline is usually the quietest of all the major sports. A later deadline means that activity increases, theoretically, playoff teams are making a push to win it all, or “almost” teams are trying to buy their way in. Teams out of it, or setting up a rebuild have a better chance of getting assets to rebuild quicker and they are already focused on getting younger guys who are part of the future PT anyways
And it’s definitely better marketing stuff for the NFL to have a big deadline day.
Post by: Badger on February 29, 2024, 04:55:53 PM
100% agree, it would make the deadline more interesting and more useful to teams on both the buy and sell side.We all agree - I'll let Goodell know we gave it the green light.