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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Derek Smalls on April 19, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
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Tyreek Hill did not work out.
Deebo Samuel apparently wants out of San Francisco.
AJ Brown took the Titans out of his profile.
Deebo seems like the obvious fit given our offense. We'd be buying high on a guy with one year of elite production, and he isn't your typical WR1, but his history in the Shanahan system could make him a perfect fit. He could also fill in at running back with Carter.
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Draft Jameson Williams
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Draft Jameson Williams
This is where I'm at.
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Draft Jameson Williams
Do both
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JD should make an offer for any proven WR1 that might be available.
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JD should make an offer for any proven WR1 that might be available.
Breshad Perriman?
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Tyreek Hill did not work out.
Deebo Samuel apparently wants out of San Francisco.
AJ Brown took the Titans out of his profile.
Deebo seems like the obvious fit given our offense. We'd be buying high on a guy with one year of elite production, and he isn't your typical WR1, but his history in the Shanahan system could make him a perfect fit. He could also fill in at running back with Carter.
The biggest reason to get more picks in next years draft might be this right here. Right now JD can’t trade for a Brown, Samuel or Metcalf because their teams won’t trade them yet. Next year if negotiations go south one of them MIGHT be available (or maybe even in camp this year if someone holds out and raises hell, who knows?) but if Titans Seahawks , 49ers or Commanders came to you in August and said “we will give you the WR for a first” we’d all want to do it in a second. But if we have more capital again next year, it’s easier to make that move and still bring in difference makers for our franchise through the draft.
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I’ll just throw this right here…
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/19/ny-jets-rumor-deebo-samuel-brother-ask-trade/
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Tyreek Hill did not work out.
Deebo Samuel apparently wants out of San Francisco.
AJ Brown took the Titans out of his profile.
Deebo seems like the obvious fit given our offense. We'd be buying high on a guy with one year of elite production, and he isn't your typical WR1, but his history in the Shanahan system could make him a perfect fit. He could also fill in at running back with Carter.
deebo, aj brown, dk metcalf
let's draft our own beast WR with one of our second rounders
or draft jameson like heis said
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deebo, aj brown, dk metcalf
let's draft our own beast WR with one of our second rounders
or draft jameson like heis said
I agree, the Jets should just draft a beast WR in the 2nd round. It has been so easy for us over the years.
That would be ideal but history has not been kind. Even though I love Moore.
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I agree, the Jets should just draft a beast WR in the 2nd round. It has been so easy for us over the years.
That would be ideal but history has not been kind. Even though I love Moore.
haha definitely. maybe i just have more hope after our draft results last year, which i believe went pretty well for us overall. JD has his own guys in the scouting department now, and i think the team showed that JD's staff + our coaching staff put together can make the right draft choices for us
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https://twitter.com/akashanav/status/1516537085838069763
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https://twitter.com/akashanav/status/1516537085838069763
I feel like Schefter might not be the best source at the moment.
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I just don’t think ill see it happen until Deebo releases the statement “I’ll never play for these guys again”
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https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1516819376225333259
Trade asked for.
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I don’t think the 49ers would trade him after the draft, so there’s a tight clock on this one. I’m a big fan of Jameson Williams, Garrett Wilson, and others in this WR class, but I’d happily send 10 for a proven guy like Deebo or Brown. If I can pull it before the draft, I work to trade down and get value back on that #4 to somewhat make up for the traded pick.
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I feel like Schefter might not be the best source at the moment.
This aged well.
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I don’t think the 49ers would trade him after the draft, so there’s a tight clock on this one. I’m a big fan of Jameson Williams, Garrett Wilson, and others in this WR class, but I’d happily send 10 for a proven guy like Deebo or Brown. If I can pull it before the draft, I work to trade down and get value back on that #4 to somewhat make up for the traded pick.
That would be ideal.
I'm not sure if we would need to give up 10. We didn't need to give up 10 for Tyreek, though 35, 38 and another pick adds up to a mid-1st-round pick.
However, if the edge rusher we want is there at 4, it's hard to pass that up. Our two biggest needs at premium positions are edge and WR, and if we use 4 and 10 on KT and Deebo, and we would still have 35 and 38 to address other needs, that would be phenomenal.
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We've gotta go get him.
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FWIW, the Athletic's beat writer for the Niners says most of the interest seems to be from Houston.
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It makes way too much sense not to get done, assuming the 49ers are willing to move him.
We're an AFC team. We have a relationship with the 49ers FO. We have the cap space. We have the draft picks. We run the same offensive system where he just blew up. We have a proven desire to go after a big-name WR.
Of course, is Deebo willing to play for us? Tyreek picked Miami over us.
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It makes way too much sense not to get done, assuming the 49ers are willing to move him.
We're an AFC team. We have a relationship with the 49ers FO. We have the cap space. We have the draft picks. We run the same offensive system where he just blew up. We have a proven desire to go after a big-name WR.
Of course, is Deebo willing to play for us? Tyreek picked Miami over us.
Houston also is an AFC team, have the cap space, and have the draft picks. They also have no state income tax, so if he's only interested in chasing money (I have no idea if that's the case) then they might have a draw for him.
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Houston also is an AFC team, have the cap space, and have the draft picks. They also have no state income tax, so if he's only interested in chasing money (I have no idea if that's the case) then they might have a draw for him.
Absolutely. You wonder if they are as motivated to give up the requisite picks because they seem further away from the Jets, ut if they want to get involved, they would certainly be competition in a bidding war.
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Houston also is an AFC team, have the cap space, and have the draft picks. They also have no state income tax, so if he's only interested in chasing money (I have no idea if that's the case) then they might have a draw for him.
Lovie Smith is a bum
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Davis Mills and that franchise vs Zach and a familiar system. I have little faith this will get done, but hey it's fun to dream.
Deebo would be pretty good at filling the "Deebo Samuel" role in this offense.
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Deebo would be pretty good at filling the "Deebo Samuel" role in this offense.
Shoutout to Trevon Wesco for holding the fort in the Deebo Samuel role until now.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Money is not at the root of the issues for Deebo Samuel, otherwise that could be fixed with a big offer. But there are also issues with how he’s used.
sounds like someone doesn't like lining up in the backfield.
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sounds like someone doesn't like lining up in the backfield.
we've got room for him at receiver
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we've got room for him at receiver
I'm sure JD will do his due dilligence and put in a competitive offer, but i bet Deebo goes elsewhere.
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I think any team giving him $25M is going to expect him to play exactly how the freak they want him to. If his reason for wanting out is that he wants to dictate his role, I'd be nervous.
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I think any team giving him $25M is going to expect him to play exactly how the freak they want him to. If his reason for wanting out is that he wants to dictate his role, I'd be nervous.
His usage and versatility is what makes him stand out.
If he wants to do less, but expects 25 mil per season.....i'm not sure i want that attitude in the lockeroom.
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1516838167709630465
If the 49ers want significantly more than what the Jets offered for Hill, I think I pass. I would give #10 (which is more), but that's it.
I don't think the 49ers trade Deebo before the draft. I think they try to make it work and try to call Deebo's bluff, unless they get blown away.
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1516838167709630465
If the 49ers want significantly more than what the Jets offered for Hill, I think I pass. I would give #10 (which is more), but that's it.
I don't think the 49ers trade Deebo before the draft. I think they try to make it work and try to call Deebo's bluff, unless they get blown away.
Yeah...that's a no for me then.
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Connor Hughes doesn’t know anything
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I take deebo at WR if he only wants to play WR and play him at WR LOL
Its such a non-issue that i think that being the reason why he wants to leave is likely bullshit
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Connor Hughes doesn’t know anything
It doesn't matter, Deebo isn't coming here.
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Tyreek chose miami over us but he’s also kind of dumb and had his own special reasons to choose miami over us
Its not hot or LA but lets not act like these superstar celebrities wouldnt jerk off to the idea of getting paid big to come play and live in NY. how many of our bigger sports personalities have made a career for themselves in sports media after deciding to come play for us. Thats not a coincidence.
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I'll say it again: 1.04 in a heartbeat.
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It doesn't matter, Deebo isn't coming here.
Confirmed
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I'll say it again: 1.04 in a heartbeat.
I'll eat my hat if Joe Douglas parts with 10 let alone 4 for Deebo.
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I need the next 8 days to hurry the freak up so we can draft a WR and put these rumors to bed.
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Why do you hate Deebo?
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Why do you hate Deebo?
Deebo is great....but i prefer to live in reality.
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Deebo to Pats in 3..2...1....
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Deebo is great....but i prefer to live in reality.
You do realize we just tried to trade 35, 38 and another pick for a star receiver literally less than a month ago.
The reality is the Jets are trying to get a stud receiver in the building. Deebo probably won't work out for a number of reasons, but if he is traded, the Jets are a frontrunner.
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You do realize we just tried to trade 35, 38 and another pick for a star receiver literally less than a month ago.
The reality is the Jets are trying to get a stud receiver in the building. Deebo probably won't work out for a number of reasons, but if he is traded, the Jets are a frontrunner.
Oh i realize it...and if we can get him, great! But it won't come at the cost of either of those 1st round picks....
And it also doesn't sound like SF has any interest in trading him. So this could get drawn out well past the draft.
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I know you want to get your hopes up, Mack.....so here's some free advice. Don't.
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I know you want to get your hopes up, Mack.....so here's some free advice. Don't.
Damn, I thought I was the only SOJF left.
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Oh i realize it...and if we can get him, great! But it won't come at the cost of either of those 1st round picks....
And it also doesn't sound like SF has any interest in trading him. So this could get drawn out well past the draft.
The preference would be to hold on to 4 because we dont know which one of the stud DEs may be available at that pick
But there is nobody that we can get at 10 that would be better than any of DK, deebo, aj brown lol
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Damn, I thought I was the only SOJF left.
haha...i wouldn't consider myself SOJF. I just don't see this happening for us.
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But there is nobody that we can get at 10 that would be better than any of DK, deebo, aj brown lol
DK, AJB and Deebo were all 2nd round picks....nobody really knew how good they were at the time. So you can probably take the same approach with the WRs in this draft as well. The only difference is, you have 4 years to find out on a rookie contract.
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DK, AJB and Deebo were all 2nd round picks....nobody really knew how good they were at the time. So you can probably take the same approach with the WRs in this draft as well. The only difference is, you have 4 years to find out on a rookie contract.
Or 2 years in the case of Mims.
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I know you want to get your hopes up, Mack.....so here's some free advice. Don't.
I don't see it happening either because I think the 49ers try to smooth things over, and I don't think it happens before the draft. And if it doesn't happen before the draft, we'll probably take a WR at 10 and move on.
But if he is moved before the draft, I absolutely think the Jets have a shot. It's painfully obvious the Jets are trying to get a big-name receiver, and Deebo has actually been in this system before.
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I don't see it happening either because I think the 49ers try to smooth things over, and I don't think it happens before the draft. And if it doesn't happen before the draft, we'll probably take a WR at 10 and move on.
But if he is moved before the draft, I absolutely think the Jets have a shot. It's painfully obvious the Jets are trying to get a big-name receiver, and Deebo has actually been in this system before.
Of course the Jets have a shot...but JD will get HIS price. He's not selling the farm (4 or 10)
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IG: JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
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Meanwhile, my understanding is there's feeling currently* within the #Jets org that WR Deebo Samuel won't be moved at all, unless San Francisco gets a King's ransom, per league source.
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The 49ers are obviously a win now team so trading Deebo doesn't seem optimal for them.
Would including Davis in a potential trade offer somehow make any sense? Both contract and otherwise
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IG: JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
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Meanwhile, my understanding is there's feeling currently* within the #Jets org that WR Deebo Samuel won't be moved at all, unless San Francisco gets a King's ransom, per league source.
pass
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If you knew there was a prospect capable of doing what Deebo did last season, you'd take him at 4 and thank god he fell that far.
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If you knew there was a prospect capable of doing what Deebo did last season, you'd take him at 4 and thank god he fell that far.
and not pay him $25 million a year.
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and not pay him $25 million a year.
Oh who gives a excrement, really. We've got a trunkload of cap space every year and every year the best free agents want nothing to do with us. I'll cut CJ Mosley and Corey Davis next season and sign a $5 million linebacker and presto deebo, we're a substantially better team.
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Zach Wilson loves throwing passes to cap space. He's Idzik's GOAT QB.
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Do it, JD.
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It's like people don't realize that cap space has value just like draft picks.
I'm all for trading for Deebo but if it's the #4 pick and 25 million
What would make the Jets a better team. Deebo or whoever the best wideout in the draft is + say Jarvis Landry?
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dcm's post give me peptic ulcers
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What would make the Jets a better team. Deebo or whoever the best wideout in the draft is + say Jarvis Landry?
Thank you for illustrating my point perfectly, dcm.
Jarvis Landry doesn't want to play for us. He explicitly said so.
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Is this the house of Italian Seafood?
DRAFT PICKS AND CAP SPACE ARE LOTTERY TICKETS
It's like this is an argument of convience
By this logic we shouldn't have traded Jamal Adams, we should've just paid him. Because cap space doesn't play defense
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I have no problem paying him $25 million. I have a problem giving up #4 and paying him $25 million.
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I have no problem paying him $25 million. I have a problem giving up #4 and paying him $25 million.
Exactly.
I'm willing to give up 10 and $25 million. That's about it though. And even that is a steep price to give. Obviously, cap space has value, and there's a chance the guy you take at 10 can be just as good as Deebo and a lot cheaper. But you don't KNOW that, and you're paying for the certainty. If it were that easy, then our Stephen Hill-Denzel Mims-Elijah Moore-Devin Smith foursome would be tearing up the NFL.
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By this logic we shouldn't have traded Jamal Adams, we should've just paid him. Because cap space doesn't play defense
Jamal Adams was and is a queynte. Had he not been a queynte, or had he even been just a somewhat smaller queynte, I would have been fine paying him. As I was, before his full cuntitude was unveiled.
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If you knew there was a prospect capable of doing what Deebo did last season, you'd take him at 4 and thank god he fell that far.
I'm sure Deebo would've loved running behind GVR
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You traded Jamal Adams because we got the king's ransom offer for him. We got two 1st-round picks plus additional picks. Sure, we got lucky that the Seahawks fell apart this year, but it was still as good an offer as could reasonably be asked for for a safety. Even with his jackassery, we got a fantastic offer.
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You traded Jamal Adams because we got the king's ransom offer for him. We got two 1st-round picks plus additional picks. Sure, we got lucky that the Seahawks fell apart this year, but it was still as good an offer as could reasonably be asked for for a safety. Even with his jackassery, we got a fantastic offer.
@JosinaAnderson
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Meanwhile, my understanding is there's feeling currently* within the #Jets org that WR Deebo Samuel won't be moved at all, unless San Francisco gets a King's ransom, per league source
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Guys, if we don’t pay Deebo Samuel $25mil/year then we can roll that over into the next season’s salary cap and use it to not pay even better players!
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Guys, if we don’t pay Deebo Samuel $25mil/year then we can roll that over into the next season’s salary cap and use it to not pay even better players!
Lets just keep talking about fake signing allen robinson with our cap space every year rather than acquire a WR and actually use that space on them
You cant really leverage cap space into trades the way you can in the nba or mlb, so in that respect you cant say cap space or a 25 mil price tag holds any ‘value’ in a theoretical acquisition. The value of having cap space is to use that space on good players, especially if its used to surround your rookie contract qb with awesome talent
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Guys, if we don’t pay Deebo Samuel $25mil/year then we can roll that over into the next season’s salary cap and use it to not pay even better players!
The Jets rookie contracts are estimates to cost us more than the cap space we have available for this upcoming season
Not sure who is talking about rolling anything over
Wed literally have to take money from future years to sign Deebo
I'm all for trading for him, but let's not pretend we have 100 million in cap space, we don't
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Name dcm's cap space-saving superhero alter ego.
"Pernicious spenders beware, for it is I, DiCuM!"
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Name dcm's cap space-saving superhero alter ego.
"Pernicious spenders beware, for it is I, DiCuM!"
The cap space isn't my or anyone else's sticking point
Deebo is worth a number and he's going to get it.
The debate is about draft pick compensation
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The cap space isn't my or anyone else's sticking point
Deebo is worth a number and he's going to get it.
The debate is about draft pick compensation
If he has any say in where he goes (assuming he gets traded at all), he probably isn't going to want to come here until Zach and this offense prove they can get a receiver the touches/yards they need. We can offer a bigger paycheck, but it can only get so big before Douglas says no. No WR wants to go anywhere and average 40 yards a game like they do here. Once Wilson gets some good stats under his belt, things will change and offensive players will be fine to sign here.
No team is going to want to sign Deebo without a new deal and he doesn't have to take a deal he doesn't want.
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I would move 10 for Deebo contingent on him signing an extension. You could say his playstyle will only last 3 or 4 more seasons but we only realistically need to pay him for that long anyway. It's worth giving up 10 for a player that was on par with Kupp for yards with Jimmy G at QB until he was converted to part-time QB. Maybe get a mid-rounder back and it's still worth it considering WR is likely to be hugely in play at 10 and we obviously are coveting someone who can help Zach immediately.
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I would move 10 for Deebo contingent on him signing an extension. You could say his playstyle will only last 3 or 4 more seasons but we only realistically need to pay him for that long anyway. It's worth giving up 10 for a player that was on par with Kupp for yards with Jimmy G at QB until he was converted to part-time QB. Maybe get a mid-rounder back and it's still worth it considering WR is likely to be hugely in play at 10 and we obviously are coveting someone who can help Zach immediately.
I don't think anyone is trading for him without an extension. Rumor is partly because he doesn't want to be as much of a RB, but why would he go somewhere else just to have the same issue of not getting an extension? A team could offer a lower pick without being contingent on a new contract but why would SF do that?
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It's risky but I'd rather spend the 10th overall pick on Jameson Williams than trade it. Trading 35 and 38 as a package for an elite-level receiver, on the other hand, I'm totally on board with.
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It's risky but I'd rather spend the 10th overall pick on Jameson Williams than trade it. Trading 35 and 38 as a package for an elite receiver, on the other hand, I'm totally on board with.
It's pretty funny since 35 and 38 combined are worth about the 15th pick. An given our roster, I think we can get some steals in that range in round 2.
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It's pretty funny since 35 and 38 combined are worth about the 15th pick. An given our roster, I think we can get some steals in that range in round 2.
On the surface, I agree, but I also want to hold onto that pick in case a team is willing to overpay for it to get their quarterback.
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It's risky but I'd rather spend the 10th overall pick on Jameson Williams than trade it. Trading 35 and 38 as a package for an elite-level receiver, on the other hand, I'm totally on board with.
No guarantee Jameson will be available.
I would love to draft and develop a guy but we have the cap space and extra capital to make it worth it to sacrifice #10 to guarantee an elite WR for Zach in a system he should already be mostly familiar with.
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It's pretty funny since 35 and 38 combined are worth about the 15th pick. An given our roster, I think we can get some steals in that range in round 2.
I think Douglas should look to move back in the first or the second to acquire more picks in the third and fourth rounds.
That's where the value is in this draft class and we need to continue churning the middle and bottom of our roster. Hitting on some mid-round linebackers and skill players would be huge.
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If he has any say in where he goes (assuming he gets traded at all), he probably isn't going to want to come here until Zach and this offense prove they can get a receiver the touches/yards they need. We can offer a bigger paycheck, but it can only get so big before Douglas says no. No WR wants to go anywhere and average 40 yards a game like they do here. Once Wilson gets some good stats under his belt, things will change and offensive players will be fine to sign here.
No team is going to want to sign Deebo without a new deal and he doesn't have to take a deal he doesn't want.
Well judging by the language of the earlier tweets, I don't expect there to be a laundry list of teams willing to give them what they want or with the assets to do so.
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Well judging by the language of the earlier tweets, I don't expect there to be a laundry list of teams willing to give them what they want or with the assets to do so.
Probably not. So the 49ers will have to decide whether or not they are willing to deal with Deebo's BS. Since they can franchise tag him for 2 more years after 2022, they don't have a lot of incentive to move him unless Deebo causes significant issues.
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Probably not. So the 49ers will have to decide whether or not they are willing to deal with Deebo's BS. Since they can franchise tag him for 2 more years after 2022, they don't have a lot of incentive to move him unless Deebo causes significant issues.
He will I think. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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Field Yates on Twitter / There are three key elements in a Deebo Samuel trade (other than the 49ers’ willingness): - Need - Draft capital to send back - Financial flexibility for an extension Factoring in all of those, no team feels better equipped IMO to make a push for a trade than the Jets.
preeeeeeach.
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Snarf
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I'll say it again: 1.04 in a heartbeat.
I'll eat my hat if Joe Douglas parts with 10 let alone 4 for Deebo.
If the "big 3" edges go first I'd absolutely be fine with this.
#4 for Deebo and a day 2 pick
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The Jets are the obvious choice on paper. I dont even know what would be 2nd. Doesn't mean it will happen but it makes all the sense.
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Jeff Darlington
@JeffDarlington
Breaking News: I just spoke to wide receiver Deebo Samuel — and he told me that he has asked the 49ers to trade him.
He did not want to discuss specific reasons behind his request, but he has indeed let the 49ers know his desire to leave the organization. More to come.
edit: I suppose he doesn't like the idea of being used as a RB (shorter shelf life) as much as the 49'ers use him.
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In thinking about this a bit more...
Deebo + 61 +105 for #4
SF gets an elite prospect for Deebo and more value (per the chart) than the Hill trade (roughly pick #13 for Hill and roughly pick 8 for Deebo)
Jets get their elite player, and still have 3 second round selections to help improve the depth of the roster.
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In thinking about this a bit more...
Deebo + 61 +105 for #4
SF gets an elite prospect for Deebo and more value (per the chart) than the Hill trade (roughly pick #13 for Hill and roughly pick 8 for Deebo)
Jets get their elite player, and still have 3 second round selections to help improve the depth of the roster.
I feel like they would prefer a pick packages then picking 4 unless we think they want an o lineman
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In thinking about this a bit more...
Deebo + 61 +105 for #4
SF gets an elite prospect for Deebo and more value (per the chart) than the Hill trade (roughly pick #13 for Hill and roughly pick 8 for Deebo)
Jets get their elite player, and still have 3 second round selections to help improve the depth of the roster.
All i know is Douglas won't overpay...he'll get his price or he'll pass. Maccagnan would've sent 3 first rounders by now.
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According to reports the Niners offered Deebo $19M and he wants $25M. Also, the Titans won't go above $20M for AJ Brown.
TBH those both seem like reasonable numbers relative to what Hill and Davante Adams got, and the relative difference in production.
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49ers offered Deebo Christian Kirk type money. That deal kinda reset the whole market. Doesn’t seem unreasonable in comparison to other deals for either Brown or Deebo to want ~25M.
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49ers offered Deebo Christian Kirk type money. That deal kinda reset the whole market.
Every top-30 wide receiver in the league owes Trent Baalke a beverage.
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It's really amazing how Trent Baalke overpaying for Kirk has created this ripple effect through the league.
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49ers offered Deebo Christian Kirk type money. That deal kinda reset the whole market. Doesn’t seem unreasonable in comparison to other deals for either Brown or Deebo to want ~25M.
Ehh after seeing the contract details. That contract isn't as egregious as everyone is making it out to be
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Appearing on the Pat McAfee Show, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport stated Deebo Samuel essentially told the 49ers to not make a contract offer, and he just wants to be traded.
"From my understanding, he basically told them, like, 'I want to be traded, don't make an offer,'" said Rapoport of Samuel's situation in San Francisco. "I don't think this is" about the money, per RapSheet. It sounds like Samuel's relationship with the Niners has soured beyond repair, but the word right now is the team has no intention of trading Samuel. This will be something we'll be tracking all the way up to and through next week's draft.
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The Niners hold all the leverage here but not sure how the two sides reconcile at this point. A trade seems likely.
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The Niners hold all the leverage here but not sure how the two sides reconcile at this point. A trade seems likely.
At some point, the Niners' desire to get draft compensation will outweigh their willingness to let him sit and rot if he so chooses. I've seen players that are playing hardball for a contract. this doesn't seem like that. I don't know what happened there, but it's over.
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I seriously wonder if SF decides to try and call his bluff and drag this into camp.
I also have to really wonder what they could get in trade capital at that point as well.
Just for fun… let’s say we take a WR at 10. If SF comes to you in august and says first round pick for Deebo and it’s a done deal, are you doing it?
The idea of (for one year) Deebo, Moore, Davis, rookie, Braxton as your top 5 sounds insane. Obviously Davis moves on after the year… but you can’t ask for more toys for Zach than that
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The idea of (for one year) Deebo, Moore, Davis, rookie, Braxton as your top 5 sounds insane. Obviously Davis moves on after the year… but you can’t ask for more toys for Zach than that
I'd send them Davis as part of the package.
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I seriously wonder if SF decides to try and call his bluff and drag this into camp.
I also have to really wonder what they could get in trade capital at that point as well.
Just for fun… let’s say we take a WR at 10. If SF comes to you in august and says first round pick for Deebo and it’s a done deal, are you doing it?
The idea of (for one year) Deebo, Moore, Davis, rookie, Braxton as your top 5 sounds insane. Obviously Davis moves on after the year… but you can’t ask for more toys for Zach than that
I think SF knows fairly well whether the relationship is FUBAR or repairable. If it's FUBAR, they aren't risking letting him sit. They might wait until draft night to do it to see who is still on the board at various slots.
Seems to me that most teams that are WR needy will address WR in the draft if they can't get Deebo or another FA. They will have moved forward. Why cut a bunch of teams out of the trade war by waiting until after the draft? There are several teams that would bid for him now that won't after the draft. Might as well sell to the highest bidder and get as many involved as possible if there's no fixing it. Like I said, I think they already know whether it's too far gone or not.
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I'd send them Davis as part of the package.
I don't know that most teams want to take on Corey Davis at $13 million this year.
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I don't know that most teams want to take on Corey Davis at $13 million this year.
I know I don't.
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San Fran can wait until camp, but they’d have a very hard time getting any guarantees of the compensation they can now. I think he gets traded now or he stays through the year.
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I think SF knows fairly well whether the relationship is FUBAR or repairable. If it's FUBAR, they aren't risking letting him sit. They might wait until draft night to do it to see who is still on the board at various slots.
Seems to me that most teams that are WR needy will address WR in the draft if they can't get Deebo or another FA. They will have moved forward. Why cut a bunch of teams out of the trade war by waiting until after the draft? There are several teams that would bid for him now that won't after the draft. Might as well sell to the highest bidder and get as many involved as possible if there's no fixing it. Like I said, I think they already know whether it's too far gone or not.
I can think of two reasons: Deebo is more valuable than anyone they can draft right now, so the risk of being able to repair things is worth the risk they might get less back in the long run (which I don’t think is true because someone will still give up a 1+ for next year)
Two: teams are stupid/unwilling to accept its over in a short period of time. Deebo/his agent waited until now to make this play to put the pressure of the draft on their heads to accept whatever things may be. If he made this play 3 months ago they wouldn’t have felt such pressure to make the move.
In the end I expect he does get moved, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they hold on to him either
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1517863993523769344?t=e_NPMPjvl7fHD8rgCrkC7g&s=19
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1517863993523769344?t=e_NPMPjvl7fHD8rgCrkC7g&s=19
Cimini 4D chess
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Niners twitter wants #4...lmao
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https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1518233423122477056?s=20&t=trVsxR8vqddcCAW2Wb7P7Q
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The Jets have to show improvement or Douglas could be out.
Trading for Deebo is a swing for the fences that gives our QB a proven weapon. It’s a necessary move for this regime.
The 10th pick isn’t going to matter to Douglas in 2023 because he may not be here if the team doesn’t show it’s getting better.
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https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1518233423122477056?s=20&t=trVsxR8vqddcCAW2Wb7P7Q
why do people keep peddling this
we were confirmed to have offered just about equivalent value for tyreek who we would have had to pay big money after acquiring. tyreek has also had off field issues. all things that we would think are very un-JD-like, yet we have confirmation that he tried very hard to do this
if there is a receiver to be had that he thinks will help zach, JD will give up that draft capital and pay him money afterwards. he would have accomplished it already if tyreek wanted to come to NY
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The Jets have to show improvement or Douglas could be out.
Trading for Deebo is a swing for the fences that gives our QB a proven weapon. It’s a necessary move for this regime.
The 10th pick isn’t going to matter to Douglas in 2023 because he may not be here if the team doesn’t show it’s getting better.
Douglas isn't going to lose his job if he doesn't land Deebo.
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Douglas isn't going to lose his job if he doesn't land Deebo.
That isn’t what I said
He could lose his job if the Jets suck again.
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Douglas isn't going to lose his job if he doesn't land Deebo.
But will he keep his job if we go 5-12 this season? Collectively that would be 11-39 in the 3 off seasons that Douglas had control of things. I think he’s doing it right and building the right way. But will Woody Johnson?
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But will he keep his job if we go 5-12 this season? Collectively that would be 11-39 in the 3 off seasons that Douglas had control of things. I think he’s doing it right and building the right way. But will Woody Johnson?
Depends on how much he still listens to people outside of the organization.
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Depends on how much he still listens to people outside of the organization.
Worst case scenario is Tyreek Hill playing really well for Miami and Woody asking how we didn’t get him
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That isn’t what I said
He could lose his job if the Jets suck again.
He'll be fine...stop worrying.
But will he keep his job if we go 5-12 this season? Collectively that would be 11-39 in the 3 off seasons that Douglas had control of things. I think he’s doing it right and building the right way. But will Woody Johnson?
You guys worry too much....sit back, crack open a fresca and enjoy the day.
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I think the very idea Joe Douglas could be out after one more excrement season is freaking ridiculous.
We had a rookie QB
Odds are Douglas fate will be tied to him. Joe probably has at least 3 years, maybe two if we're absolutely atrocious.
If the Jets don't regress from last year, where we were freaking excrement to begin with. Douglas is lasting 3 more years. He is not a hot seat GM. The Jets were aggressive signing him and the dude got a 6 year contract
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I think the very idea Joe Douglas could be out after one more excrement season is freaking ridiculous.
We had a rookie QB
Odds are Douglas fate will be tied to him. Joe probably has at least 3 years, maybe two if we're absolutely atrocious.
If the Jets don't regress from last year, where we were freaking excrement to begin with. Douglas is lasting 3 more years. He is not a hot seat GM. The Jets were aggressive signing him and the dude got a 6 year contract
dcm is...correct?
Wtf
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Niners twitter wants #4...lmao
those nincompoops think they should demand 4 and 2 seconds + more, theyve got it in their heads deebo having another contract year means hes incomparably more valuable than hill
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OurSf49ers_/status/1518240334932627457?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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I think the very idea Joe Douglas could be out after one more excrement season is freaking ridiculous.
We had a rookie QB
Odds are Douglas fate will be tied to him. Joe probably has at least 3 years, maybe two if we're absolutely atrocious.
If the Jets don't regress from last year, where we were freaking excrement to begin with. Douglas is lasting 3 more years. He is not a hot seat GM. The Jets were aggressive signing him and the dude got a 6 year contract
JD is 13-36 in 3 seasons. If you remove the first year where he didn't control the offseason, he's 6-27 in 2 seasons. We need to start winning some games. Since Douglas' first year in 2020, 23 of the 32 NFL teams have made the playoffs. Even if you look at just 2021 and 2022, 21 of 32 teams have made the playoffs.
Nobody is saying he needs to make the playoffs or go .500 to win his job. But there needs to be progress. If we are 3-14, Wilson looks like a bust, and we have a top-5 pick, you can make a case JD deserves to be fired in January. I think he's safe this year regardless, but if there isn't progress, he should absolutely enter 2023 on a hot seat.
He's not a hot seat GM now, but if he has 3 full offseasons as a GM, and we fail to win more than 4 games in any of them, he absolutely should be. Especially if Zach doesn't look like the answer. We've been absolutely atrocious in his first two full seasons, so it's not crazy to think that will be the case again. Our over/under is 5.5 wins.
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those nincompoops think they should demand 4 and 2 seconds + more, theyve got it in their heads deebo having another contract year means hes incomparably more valuable than hill
Deebo is younger and cheaper at the moment and he doesn't have the off-field crap Hill had. However, Hill had a better track record of success.
Every fanbase has a warped opinion on what their guys trade values are actually worth. I don't really care what their fans think. Most fans are idiots.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OurSf49ers_/status/1518240334932627457 (https://mobile.twitter.com/OurSf49ers_/status/1518240334932627457)
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Deebo is younger and cheaper at the moment and he doesn't have the off-field crap Hill had. However, Hill had a better track record of success.
Every fanbase has a warped opinion on what their guys trade values are actually worth. I don't really care what their fans think. Most fans are idiots.
Hill also had significantly better QB play
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OurSf49ers_/status/1518240334932627457 (https://mobile.twitter.com/OurSf49ers_/status/1518240334932627457)
more bad looks like this on social media and the 49ers will essentially be forced to trade him lmao
if there was ever a question about whether we'd try to keep jamal, that was thrown completely out the window when those vids of him talking to random fans about how he's trying to leave/not stay hit social media
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JD is 13-36 in 3 seasons. If you remove the first year where he didn't control the offseason, he's 6-27 in 2 seasons. We need to start winning some games. Since Douglas' first year in 2020, 23 of the 32 NFL teams have made the playoffs. Even if you look at just 2021 and 2022, 21 of 32 teams have made the playoffs.
Nobody is saying he needs to make the playoffs or go .500 to win his job. But there needs to be progress. If we are 3-14, Wilson looks like a bust, and we have a top-5 pick, you can make a case JD deserves to be fired in January. I think he's safe this year regardless, but if there isn't progress, he should absolutely enter 2023 on a hot seat.
He's not a hot seat GM now, but if he has 3 full offseasons as a GM, and we fail to win more than 4 games in any of them, he absolutely should be. Especially if Zach doesn't look like the answer. We've been absolutely atrocious in his first two full seasons, so it's not crazy to think that will be the case again. Our over/under is 5.5 wins.
Gase doesn't count. He should never count.
This is year 3 of the Jets' rebuild, year 2 of the official Jets.
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more bad looks like this on social media and the 49ers will essentially be forced to trade him lmao
if there was ever a question about whether we'd try to keep jamal, that was thrown completely out the window when those vids of him talking to random fans about how he's trying to leave/not stay hit social media
As fast as he's flipped on the Niners who's to say he wouldn't do it here as well. Risk Deebo for the #10 pick or risk #10 on Jameson Williams' left knee? Or go another route?
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Was watching USC's spring game (Lincoln Riley, Caleb Williams coming over from Okla) and this sideline reporter was interviewing Drake London and after the interview was over the announcer (ESPN's Matt Barrie) from out of the blue took an unsolicited swipe at our NY Jets to the amusement of his broadcast partners RGIII and Joey Galloway (interview winds up at around the 33:40 min. mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXDBfahDgMs
https://twitter.com/bhofheimer_espn/status/1517942361413853185
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https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1518631010178637828
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https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1518631010178637828
I can't stand Pat McAfee.
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Does this mean Douglas is getting fired on Friday?
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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From NFL Now on @nflnetwork
: Sure, the #Jets would explore a Deebo Samuel trade if he was available, but the #49ers don’t seem interested in making him available right now. As for No. 4 overall, count me in on the Sauce Gardner/Ickey Ekwonu speculation.
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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From NFL Now on @nflnetwork
: Sure, the #Jets would explore a Deebo Samuel trade if he was available, but the #49ers don’t seem interested in making him available right now. As for No. 4 overall, count me in on the Sauce Gardner/Ickey Ekwonu speculation.
Oof
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I’ll be pretty surprised if Douglas and Saleh value CB over DE
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I’ll be pretty surprised if Douglas and Saleh value CB over DE
I don't know much, but I agree. Only way I could see it is if Hutch, Thib, and Walker go 1-3.
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Only way I could see it is if Hutch, Thib, and Walker go 1-3.
I think it's a very strong possibility. Especially if Walker goes first.
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I’ll be pretty surprised if Douglas and Saleh value CB over DE
i want sauce at 4 if we miss out on the DEs with picks 1-3
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i want sauce at 4 if we miss out on the DEs with picks 1-3
I want Stingley at 4 unless Thibs or Walker is there
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Would love it if we could move down a few spots from 4. Giants could take a CB or an OL. Could move down if someone wants to jump the Giants. Don't need to match the draft value chart either - I'm fine getting .85 on the dollar.
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Would love it if we could move down a few spots from 4. Giants could take a CB or an OL. Could move down if someone wants to jump the Giants. Don't need to match the draft value chart either - I'm fine getting .85 on the dollar.
I agree, I'm fine with not getting a perfectly equal value return if it means getting an extra pick in the top 40.
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I can't stand Pat McAfee.
Love him lol
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Cynthia Frelund is on crack
Suggesting 10 35 and Moore for Deebo
Lololol
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Cynthia Frelund is on crack
Suggesting 10 35 and Moore for Deebo
Lololol
Even for just the picks it’s too much more than we were willing to offer for Hill that it makes no sense.
And the point of adding Deebo is to supplement Moore. If you want to trade Davis that’s fine since he would be cut next year anyways. But we need to add another depth WR this year if move Davis anyways.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1518981161728548864?s=20&t=9HnVwuPqBvzg9DaKtQsMGA
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1518981161728548864?s=20&t=9HnVwuPqBvzg9DaKtQsMGA
looking fwd to Cimini's report on Deebo taking a morning excrement.
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Meltdown May starting early
https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/1519033258456936448?t=9hDrmBT08_wS9upuy7BBdA&s=19
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Meltdown May starting early
https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/1519033258456936448?t=9hDrmBT08_wS9upuy7BBdA&s=19
Tim Kamikaze
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Re: Deebo Samuel situation: My understanding is that nothing has changed from yesterday, which is to say the #Jets are still interested if they can get a deal that makes sense.
like i said...JD will get his price or move on.
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Niners twitter thinks they're getting Elijah Moore in a potential Deebo deal.
I need the draft to hurry up and get here.
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Niners twitter thinks they're getting Elijah Moore in a potential Deebo deal.
I need the draft to hurry up and get here.
lol
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Niners twitter thinks they're getting Elijah Moore in a potential Deebo deal.
I need the draft to hurry up and get here.
They have a better chance of get 4 than that happening.
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Niners twitter thinks they're getting Elijah Moore in a potential Deebo deal.
I need the draft to hurry up and get here.
The bigger problem is they think they can get Moore AND 10 AND more picks AND a hand job.
If the offer was like Moore and 38 for Deebo, I could maybe stomach that, but that isn't the discussion from 49ers Twitter.
You can never expect fans to properly value their players. That said, I thought I was probably overvaluing Jamal Adams when I said I wanted two firsts for him, and then JD got it done. Two firsts was my price even before he decided to burn it all down, and we still got it after Jamal tried to burn all bridges.
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The bigger problem is they think they can get Moore AND 10 AND more picks AND a hand job.
If the offer was like Moore and 38 for Deebo, I could maybe stomach that, but that isn't the discussion from 49ers Twitter.
You can never expect fans to properly value their players. That said, I thought I was probably overvaluing Jamal Adams when I said I wanted two firsts for him, and then JD got it done. Two firsts was my price even before he decided to burn it all down, and we still got it after Jamal tried to burn all bridges.
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lmao jesus
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If the offer was like Moore and 38 for Deebo, I could maybe stomach that, but that isn't the discussion from 49ers Twitter.
I don't think that offer or Cynthia Freeland's is that outlandish out of context, but context is important.
We are not a win now team looking for one more piece to take us to the SB
Deebo is not on a team friendly contract. He is looking for a deal to pay him top 5 money
Because of that context the crazy offer will never come from us. If it does, Joe should be fired.
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bi-curious george
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I don't think that offer or Cynthia Freeland's is that outlandish out of context, but context is important.
We are not a win now team looking for one more piece to take us to the SB
Deebo is not on a team friendly contract. He is looking for a deal to pay him top 5 money
Because of that context the crazy offer will never come from us. If it does, Joe should be fired.
The "crazy offer" probably doesn't exist unless there are several teams that sat out the Tyreek Hill sweepstakes because of his off-field issues. Seems like Davante really wanted to go to the Raiders, so that might not have been a real bidding war.
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BREAKING: no updates
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1519372760459493376?t=FJTZzrAq_2BYqEDDb2yfrA&s=19
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BREAKING: no updates
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1519372760459493376?t=FJTZzrAq_2BYqEDDb2yfrA&s=19
It's a good point though. A physical is needed to do a deal. If he was being shopped we would have known if that happened already. If we dint hear any rumblings soon, it likely won't happen
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1519407930688352258?t=KxmgH0Goc0f3RXm9E_8RLw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1519407930688352258?t=KxmgH0Goc0f3RXm9E_8RLw&s=19
like i said...JD will get his price or move on.
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The only reason I can justify to not give the 10 is because Douglas either absolutely loves a guy that he feels will definitely be there at 10. OR he has a trade in place to drop back and recoup capital that he absolutely expects to happen.
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Or maybe the Jets give up the 10th pick and get back a second or third rounder which would maybe be equivalent to the 13th pick.
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The only reason I can justify to not give the 10 is because Douglas either absolutely loves a guy that he feels will definitely be there at 10. OR he has a trade in place to drop back and recoup capital that he absolutely expects to happen.
Which is certainly possible. If JD is convinced one of these receivers at 10 is going to be a star, you can get that stud receiver and save a lot of money.
That said, we aren't really spending money on anyone, and cap space isn't helping us win games.
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Which is certainly possible. If JD is convinced one of these receivers at 10 is going to be a star, you can get that stud receiver and save a lot of money.
That said, we aren't really spending money on anyone, and cap space isn't helping us win games.
Exactly how much cap space do you think the Jets have, after accounting for rookie contract money and roller over money?
(I'll save you the time, it's listed as 4.3 million per OTC)
I'm not saying don't get Deebo as I think if the price is right you do it.
But in order to pay him we'd literally have to take money from future years just to pay for this year alone
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Exactly how much cap space do you think the Jets have, after accounting for rookie contract money and roller over money?
(I'll save you the time, it's listed as 4.3 million per OTC)
I'm not saying don't get Deebo as I think if the price is right you do it.
But in order to pay him we'd literally have to take money from future years just to pay for this year alone
I've seen $15M, $16M and $17M at other sites.
The salary is why you don't give up more than 10 or significantly more than 10.
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I've seen $15M, $16M and $17M at other sites.
The salary is why you don't give up more than 10 or significantly more than 10.
Yeah it's that amount before accounting for rookies and filling out the roster.
After that the Jets effective cap space is 4.3 million
So if we traded for Deebo he'd essentially have a cap hit of 32-35 million a year for the following 4 years (after squeaking him under the salary cap this year) which would put his annual cap hit at higher than every single player in the NFL minus the top 7 paid QB's
Again not saying don't trade for him, just pointing out that this notion that the Jets are flush with cap space is flat out wrong. We're essentially at the cap
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Yeah it's that amount before accounting for rookies and filling out the roster.
After that the Jets effective cap space is 4.3 million
So if we traded for Deebo he'd essentially have a cap hit of 32-35 million a year for the following 4 years (after squeaking him under the salary cap this year) which would put his annual cap hit at higher than every single player in the NFL minus the top 7 paid QB's
Again not saying don't trade for him, just pointing out that this notion that the Jets are flush with cap space is flat out wrong. We're essentially at the cap
Mosley likely comes off and Davis might too if he's not hacking it.
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Mosley likely comes off and Davis might too if he's not hacking it.
McGovern and Rankins can be cut or restructured this year for a bunch of savings.
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Mosley likely comes off and Davis might too if he's not hacking it.
I'm not saying we don't have future cap space.
Just pointing out that we have none for this year, so essentially this year of Deebo's contract would have to get absorbed over the remainder of his contract, meaning we essentially get Deebo for free this year and then pay him like an elite QB the remainder of his time here.
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https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/1519487771806617600?s=21&t=D7ifc5skre0i4-BV8uBJlA
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https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/1519487771806617600?s=21&t=D7ifc5skre0i4-BV8uBJlA
So he thinks a live trade could happen without a phsycial or the Jets having a chance to discuss contract extensions with Deebo?
It's possible that it's the best kept secret in the league, but I somehow doubt days long contract discussions occurred without anyone getting wind of it.
I don't see Deebo getting traded during the draft
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1519707697624592385
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1519707697624592385
cimini doesn't know excrement.
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I trust Cimini more than anyone on our beat
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I trust Cimini more than anyone on our beat
you'll get burned
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Even if Cimini doesn't know, what he's saying makes sense. The 9ers might want to wait and see if a particular guy is still on the board before they pull the trigger, if indeed #10 is in play.
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Even if Cimini doesn't know, what he's saying makes sense. The 9ers might want to wait and see if a particular guy is still on the board before they pull the trigger, if indeed #10 is in play.
that's a complex trade. Parameters would have to be in place long before draft night i would assume. eg Deebo's new contract
I'm just not sure how any of that wouldn't get leaked. I know Douglas is good, but something would've leaked from the SF side you'd think.
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They most certainly will wait until the Jets are on the clock at 10. I don't think anyone disputes that. It's whether they could have gotten all the parameters for a trade in place without a peep from anyone. I don't know, but I'm saying it's unlikely we get Deebo tonight.
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Obviously, the 49ers and Jets would need to have the parameters of a deal done ahead of time. Whether it gets leaked or not is irrelevant, and neither side has any incentive to leak anything.
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tim kawakami is prob the best bay area reporter, he's very good.
that being said, he's been saying it would be right up to the deadline(the pick on the clock) the entire time.
he's also a fan of 10+38+mims for deebo, saying that'd be a palatable trade for all sides(i agree)
he dosent think deebo moves, but thinks the niners will wait for the "perfect" offer until they cant anymore.
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Obviously, the 49ers and Jets would need to have the parameters of a deal done ahead of time. Whether it gets leaked or not is irrelevant, and neither side has any incentive to leak anything.
that's incorrect.
SF could leak it, which could drive up the price by having other teams get involved. If Joe was a stupid GM, he could bid against himself, thankfully he's not stupid.
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that's incorrect.
SF could leak it, which could drive up the price by having other teams get involved. If Joe was a stupid GM, he could bid against himself, thankfully he's not stupid.
SF wouldn't need to leak it though, they can just call the other GMs in play and tell them they have a deal agreed in principle with another team and if they want Deebo, now's the time to make their best offer.
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SF wouldn't need to leak it though, they can just call the other GMs in play and tell them they have a deal agreed in principle with another team and if they want Deebo, now's the time to make their best offer.
different ways to skin the same cat.
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SF wouldn't need to leak it though, they can just call the other GMs in play and tell them they have a deal agreed in principle with another team and if they want Deebo, now's the time to make their best offer.
How would that not lead to leaks? You think all those GMs he calls will keep quiet?
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How would that not lead to leaks? You think all those GMs he calls will keep quiet?
Correct
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How would that not lead to leaks? You think all those GMs he calls will keep quiet?
I was talking specifically about SF leaking it. But anyway, we have no idea how many other teams are involved. If there's only one other in play as is quite possible, then there's only one place a leak can come from. And you probably don't want to be known as that guy.
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I was talking specifically about SF leaking it. But anyway, we have no idea how many other teams are involved. If there's only one other in play as is quite possible, then there's only one place a leak can come from. And you probably don't want to be known as that guy.
the Lions and Eagles are also sniffing around Deebo.
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The guy asked for a trade, whether it leaks or not is ultimately irrelevant. We know he asked for a trade, and enough people are saying it's a possibility. The only leaks that would matter are "the 49ers will only make the trade if Player X is on the board."
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Florio
As we’ve said repeatedly (and will nevertheless repeat), the 49ers should insist on complete secrecy until the pick they’ll be acquiring is on the clock. This avoids any possibility that the 49ers would be jumped if, for example, they end up with the 10th overall pick before the draft starts.
Cimini also suggests that the final decision may hinge on the players who are taken before the Jets are on the clock. And that may indeed be a factor. At this point, the 49ers need to think of the trade as a swap for a player not a draft pick. Once the first nine selections are made, the 49ers will know who they can get.
It really may be that simple. Regardless, complete discretion remains a key ingredient. While the deal would be done well in advance of the pick going on the clock, the 49ers should do everything they can to keep it completely quiet until then.
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And that's the edge the Jets have. Lions aren't giving up 2.
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Florio
This is stupid. The trade isn't happening.
We would have known if deebo was doing physicals and if contract talks were happening. They haven't which means it's not happening.
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We would have known if deebo was doing physicals
How?
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How?
Use your big brain
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Or it can just be conditional compensation like a number of other NFL trades have been.
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Or it can just be conditional compensation like a number of other NFL trades have been.
Difficult to do conditional compensation when they immediately spend the pick you gave them for the player.
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Difficult to do conditional compensation when they immediately spend the pick you gave them for the player.
The conditions would be in the 2023 draft obviously. Can make it contract-related, like the Giants and Leonard Williams or the Saints and Vilma. Can make it physical related.
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The conditions would be in the 2023 draft obviously. Can make it contract-related, like the Giants and Leonard Williams or the Saints and Vilma. Can make it physical related.
To me this is a tremendous amount of risks for both teams. A tremendous amount of unnecessary risk.
Hell the Jets could easily have the 1st overall pick next year or be a wildcard team.
I would not be happy blindly sacraficing next years first
For the 49ers you don't risk giving up one of the best players on your team without adequate compensation. And for the Jets you don't risk giving up a ridiculously valuable pick.
It's not unfathomable that Zach Wilson looks like complete excrement next year, and I have no idea what the QB prospects will look like. But after a excrement QB draft like this, I'd imagine QB's will be even more valuable next year
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To me this is a tremendous amount of risks for both teams. A tremendous amount of unnecessary risk.
Hell the Jets could easily have the 1st overall pick next year or be a wildcard team.
I would not be happy blindly sacraficing next years first
For the 49ers you don't risk giving up one of the best players on your team without adequate compensation. And for the Jets you don't risk giving up a ridiculously valuable pick.
It's not unfathomable that Zach Wilson looks like complete excrement next year, and I have no idea what the QB prospects will look like. But after a excrement QB draft like this, I'd imagine QB's will be even more valuable next year
I would give up next year's first in a heartbeat. If you don't think that we're picking lower than #10 next year with Deebo on the team then you should be demanding that Saleh and Douglas be fired.
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The conditions would be in the 2023 draft obviously. Can make it contract-related, like the Giants and Leonard Williams or the Saints and Vilma. Can make it physical related.
I thought the whole thing was ostensibly predicated upon the player the Niners want being available at #10 tonight?
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I would give up next year's first in a heartbeat. If you don't think that we're picking lower than #10 next year with Deebo on the team then you should be demanding that Saleh and Douglas be fired.
I can't argue that. If I were a SF fan, I'd prefer that because we suck every year and usually pick high. I don't think we are picking in the top 10 next year.
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I thought the whole thing was ostensibly predicated upon the player the Niners want being available at #10 tonight?
Of course, but we also don't know what the full deal is.
Maybe we get a pick back in 2023 if there's an issue.
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I would give up next year's first in a heartbeat. If you don't think that we're picking lower than #10 next year with Deebo on the team then you should be demanding that Saleh and Douglas be fired.
I think this team could do well, but I wouldn't call it a likely scenario.
The Jets have the second hardest schedule in the NFL. Obviously anything can happen, but the first Vegas odds I was able to find per a Google search right now predicts the Jets as having the 3rd fewest wins in the league. Deebo would obviously improve that, but I don't think it'll be night and day.
This team will live and die by Zach Wilson this year.
Is there a chance we get a wildcard? Sure. But I'd say the odds are much more likely than not that we will have a top 10 pick next year, with a more than double digit chance of having a top 5
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I think this team could do well, but I wouldn't call it a likely scenario.
The Jets have the second hardest schedule in the NFL. Obviously anything can happen, but the first Vegas odds I was able to find per a Google search right now predicts the Jets as having the 3rd fewest wins in the league. Deebo would obviously improve that, but I don't think it'll be night and day.
This team will live and die by Zach Wilson this year.
Is there a chance we get a wildcard? Sure. But I'd say the odds are much more likely than not that we will have a top 10 pick next year, with a more than double digit chance of having a top 5
35 or 38 are probably just as valuable than a 2023 first, especially if we're improving our roster with someone like Deebo.
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I think this team could do well, but I wouldn't call it a likely scenario.
The Jets have the second hardest schedule in the NFL. Obviously anything can happen, but the first Vegas odds I was able to find per a Google search right now predicts the Jets as having the 3rd fewest wins in the league. Deebo would obviously improve that, but I don't think it'll be night and day.
This team will live and die by Zach Wilson this year.
Is there a chance we get a wildcard? Sure. But I'd say the odds are much more likely than not that we will have a top 10 pick next year, with a more than double digit chance of having a top 5
We are making the playoffs next season.
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We are making the playoffs next season.
I'm no gambler but you might want to put some money on that. I imagine you'll get some highly favorable odds.
Because there's no freaking way this teams making the playoffs. And if we do it's because Zach Wilson has one of the greatest turnarounds of all time
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I'm no gambler but you might want to put some money on that. I imagine you'll get some highly favorable odds.
Because there's no freaking way this teams making the playoffs. And if we do it's because Zach Wilson has one of the greatest turnarounds of all time
I don't do betting, it's about the only vice I'm not interested in.
I'm just telling you what's happening. Believe or don't believe, your call. But I'm guaranteeing it.
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Has a pick ever been traded for a high profile player while the team making that pick was on the clock?
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Has a pick ever been traded for a high profile player while the team making that pick was on the clock?
The only NFL Draft I've ever attended was back in 2006 (I would attend this year but I broke my foot).
That year, the Packers traded Javon Walker to the Broncos for a 2nd-round pick during the draft.
A guy at the front of our section was wearing a Packers Javon Walker jersey. He threw the jersey down and walked out.
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Has a pick ever been traded for a high profile player while the team making that pick was on the clock?
How did Manning/Rivers play out? I don't remember.
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The only NFL Draft I've ever attended was back in 2006 (I would attend this year but I broke my foot).
That year, the Packers traded Javon Walker to the Broncos for a 2nd-round pick during the draft.
A guy at the front of our section was wearing a Packers Javon Walker jersey. He threw the jersey down and walked out.
That's a fun factoid and sorry to hear about your foot. The reason I asked was because it's been suggested that the Niners could trade Deebo to us once they know who the players available at 10 are. I was curious if there was any precedent for that.
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Has a pick ever been traded for a high profile player while the team making that pick was on the clock?
I don't know the answer to this question.
But if a player is NOT in a contract year it's not nearly as big of a deal. I don't exactly know how the team physical comes into play, but if a players under contract for 2 or 3 more years, it seems easier to get away with
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How did Manning/Rivers play out? I don't remember.
I thought about that but that was still essentially a pick for picks trade. There weren't any veterans involved and both teams had already conducted physicals with the quarterbacks.
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Given the ties between the Niners and Jets, I wouldn't be shocked if they were able to negotiate a pretty hush-hush deal for some combination of #10 and Deebo with all pertinent medicals and contract negotiations agreed upon, the organizations probably have a high amount of trust with each other. I could see it being predicated on someone they want, but I could also see it as a contingency if our preferred WR doesn't fall to 10.
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Given the ties between the Niners and Jets, I wouldn't be shocked if they were able to negotiate a pretty hush-hush deal for some combination of #10 and Deebo with all pertinent medicals and contract negotiations agreed upon, the organizations probably have a high amount of trust with each other. I could see it being predicated on someone they want, but I could also see it as a contingency if our preferred WR doesn't fall to 10.
I could see this too. It would be pretty cool if this was the first time that a trade of this sort ever happened.
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Our watch has ended.
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I suppose with the similarities between our offense and the 49ers, it's not unfathomable we trade Wilson for Deebo in some package
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I suppose with the similarities between our offense and the 49ers, it's not unfathomable we trade Wilson for Deebo in some package
Stop.
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I suppose with the similarities between our offense and the 49ers, it's not unfathomable we trade Wilson for Deebo in some package
That is dead.
Debo will be moved in July. If you want to argue that we should trade our 2023 first and Corey Davis for Debo at that point then go right ahead. But the Deebo dream is dead for now
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I suppose with the similarities between our offense and the 49ers, it's not unfathomable we trade Wilson for Deebo in some package
freak off
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If you want to argue that we should trade our 2023 first and Corey Davis for Debo at that point then go right ahead.
Stop but for different reasons
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Deebo might not be dead, but a Deebo trade would involve either Wilson or Moore at this point. No way we have both of those guys AND Berrios AND Davis AND Deebo.
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We can always just wait and pay for him.
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...did I accidently stop by tgg?
We aren't trading Moore or Wilson for Deebo, the ship has sailed.
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Deebo might not be dead, but a Deebo trade would involve either Wilson or Moore at this point. No way we have both of those guys AND Berrios AND Davis AND Deebo.
35+38+Davis
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...did I accidently stop by tgg?
We aren't trading Moore or Wilson for Deebo, the ship has sailed.
I don't think the Jets will trade for him, it makes less sense now and our need is less.
It was more the obvious connection between our two offenses, and I imagine the reasonable odds Wilson would've been the pick had we traded them 10.
That said at the end of the day whether Deebo gets traded depends on what happens between him and the 49ers front office. If the relationship gets more toxic, I can't see them just sitting on him, so who the freak knows what they'll be able to get for him after the draft.
But Deebo getting traded probably won't have anything to do with what's being offered rather what they can salvage
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I don't think the Jets will trade for him.
It was more the obvious connection between our two offenses, and I imagine the reasonable odds Wilson would've been the pick had we traded them 10.
That said at the end of the day whether Deebo gets traded depends on what happens between him and the 49ers front office. If the relationship gets more toxic, I can't see them just sitting on him, so who the freak knows what they'll be able to get for him after the draft
Exactly. 49ers could very well like Garrett Wilson and liked him at 10.
But the odds of it happening probably went from 25% a few days ago to about 0.1% now.
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Exactly. 49ers could very well like Garrett Wilson and liked him at 10.
But the odds of it happening probably went from 25% a few days ago to about 0.1% now.
this has no rational logic behind it, but a straight up trade of #10 for deebo could have been a feasible trade based off of trade compensation for other star WRs this offseason
the 9ers would not accept wilson for deebo straight up, 1-for-1 though. they'd ask for more than that
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the 9ers would not accept wilson for deebo straight up, 1-for-1 though. they'd ask for more than that
Why not?
I'm not saying they would, but if the offer was 10 for Deebo before, and they liked Garrett Wilson enough to take him at 10, why would it change anything?
If they don't like Wilson, it's irrelevant.
And either way, the chances of a Deebo trade coming here are virtually zero now anyway.
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rip deebo as a jet, it was a wild ride
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Would have been cool. I'm happy with Moore and Wilson as WR 1 and 2.
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Would have been cool. I'm happy with Moore and Wilson as WR 1 and 2.
ya im down this. deebo would have been fun but whatever, hopefully these dudes and zach work out
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Would have been cool. I'm happy with Moore and Wilson as WR 1 and 2.
If Davis goes away I'm extra good.
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"The Jets & the Lions both made offers for Deebo Samuel & the 49ers wouldn't do it" ~@RapSheet
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"The Jets & the Lions both made offers for Deebo Samuel & the 49ers wouldn't do it" ~@RapSheet
https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1520066881557831681
10th pick and pick swaps apparently was the deal offered. Unclear who the pick swaps would have benefited.
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https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1520066881557831681
10th pick and pick swaps apparently was the deal offered. Unclear who the pick swaps would have benefited.
It was supposedly in our favor that would have brought the value to around the value of the 13th/14th pick, unclear what the swaps precisely were
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The Jets offer for Deebo Samuel was the No. 10 pick and a 5th-rounder in exchange for Samuel and the 49ers' second-rounder, per
@mattbarrows. 49ers clearly wanted more for Deebo.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1520133214916038659
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The Jets offer for Deebo Samuel was the No. 10 pick and a 5th-rounder in exchange for Samuel and the 49ers' second-rounder, per
@mattbarrows. 49ers clearly wanted more for Deebo.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1520133214916038659
like i said...JD will get his price or move on.
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The Jets offer for Deebo Samuel was the No. 10 pick and a 5th-rounder in exchange for Samuel and the 49ers' second-rounder, per
@mattbarrows. 49ers clearly wanted more for Deebo.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1520133214916038659
That would have been a good deal for us. Not for SF though. Also explains why we didn’t trade for Brown. If we wanted to give 10 for a 2, that would equate Deebo to the early 20s. Philly gave up 18+ a 3, which I’d wager is pick 14-15 or so, which I’d guess we didn’t want to equal to.
Let’s hope Garrett Wilson is a future star. It’s been too long since we’ve had an offensive superstar to root for
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The Jets offer for Deebo Samuel was the No. 10 pick and a 5th-rounder in exchange for Samuel and the 49ers' second-rounder, per
@mattbarrows. 49ers clearly wanted more for Deebo.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1520133214916038659
Damn, that would've been a nice deal, makes sense that the they didn't go for it though.
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Thankfully those dumb rumors like 10/35/38 a future 1st and Moore were bs.
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So we're done with the trade that never was, then?
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So we're done with the trade that never was, then?
We need to discuss it for at least 6 more months.
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We need to discuss it for at least 6 more months.
It's Garrett Wilson's job now.
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If Samuel isn't getting extended we could be revisiting this conversation next spring
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If Samuel isn't getting extended we could be revisiting this conversation next spring
Would likely require Davis to disappoint again, and one of Moore or Wilson to not have a good year, but it's certainly possible. Just with less ammo to get it done.
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If Samuel isn't getting extended we could be revisiting this conversation next spring
Narrator: they didn't
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1553887774247227392?t=_o1o8yXZHTS8DmaQNv_15Q&s=19
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1553887971476066304?t=RtYJbAacufu38zlp2Kth_w&s=19