Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2022, 07:19:03 AM
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Limit it to players that have been realistic possibilities at these spots.
At 4: Any OL, London, Hamilton
10: Stingley
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4: Hamilton, Cross, Karlaftis, JJ
10. Stingley Jr, London, McDuffie, Linderbaum
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4: Hamilton, Cross, Karlaftis, JJ
10. Stingley Jr, London, McDuffie, Linderbaum
No Baum? Sacrilege.
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No Baum? Sacrilege.
not at 10
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I’m going to cheat….
Bad football players are who I don’t want. I have my favorites (as we all do) but no matter who they put k I just want them to be good.
The best feeling I have is that last year we drafted every guy with a clear and specific plan and I truly feel that’s why most of them played well for us last year. I expect that same philosophy and I will feel a lot better about us taking a guy I personally don’t like than I would in past years/administrations.
That said my least favorite of the “likely” names at 4/10
Johnson
Hamilton
McDuffie
Neal
Ekwonu
Bring me an edge and a trade back from 10.
Actually in an ideal world 2 edges make it to 4, and we convince Carolina to come up to 4 to get their QB and we get whomever the Giants don’t take.
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I’m going to cheat….
Bad football players are who I don’t want. I have my favorites (as we all do) but no matter who they put k I just want them to be good.
The best feeling I have is that last year we drafted every guy with a clear and specific plan and I truly feel that’s why most of them played well for us last year. I expect that same philosophy and I will feel a lot better about us taking a guy I personally don’t like than I would in past years/administrations.
That said my least favorite of the “likely” names at 4/10
Johnson
Hamilton
McDuffie
Neal
Ekwonu
Bring me an edge and a trade back from 10.
Actually in an ideal world 2 edges make it to 4, and we convince Carolina to come up to 4 to get their QB and we get whomever the Giants don’t take.
I think Neal and Ekwonu will be good, I just don't want the Jets to take an OL at 4 since we have starters at all 5 positions right now.
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Corners.
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Corners.
I'm fine with Sauce, all others can f off.
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4. Drake London
10. Drake London
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4. Drake London
10. Drake London
agreed
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4. Any defensive back or wide receiver
10. Any LB or Trevor Penning
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Out of the actual possibilities at 4 & 10, I am out on Jermaine Johnson, CBs not named Stingley and Sauce, OLs not named Ekonwu and Neal, WRs not named Williams, London, or Wilson with both picks.
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Kyle Hamilton
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledhamilton_/status/1514468769799839745?t=e8VtinlaD3Fuiz_PgpvmSQ&s=09
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Kyle Hamilton
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledhamilton_/status/1514468769799839745?t=e8VtinlaD3Fuiz_PgpvmSQ&s=09
this should drop him to the 3rd round
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this should drop him to the 3rd round
Would be ironic(?) if Drake London goes before him.
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Would be ironic(?) if Drake London goes before him.
"I hate the Drake"
-George Costanza
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Kyle Hamilton
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledhamilton_/status/1514468769799839745?t=e8VtinlaD3Fuiz_PgpvmSQ&s=09
After this news, he's undraftable
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I would prefer to pass on CB and S
Give me EDGE and WR
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Kyle Hamilton
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledhamilton_/status/1514468769799839745?t=e8VtinlaD3Fuiz_PgpvmSQ&s=09
Came here for this
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The most compelling question to me is whether Douglas would take Ekwonu if he's still on the board at 4, even without getting rid of Becton. I have a hard time drafting a guy at 4 with the likelihood quite high that he at least begins the year on the bench.
I could be convinced that the likelihood of injury is so high on this team that he could fill any role on the OL minus center and be there to take the RT or LT role in 2023 if we can't re-sign Fant or Becton sloppyfats himself to death.
Would you be pissed if Douglas took him at 4? We always wanted a GM to address the OL and we got it.
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I will be annoyed if we take OL with 4 or 10
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The most compelling question to me is whether Douglas would take Ekwonu if he's still on the board at 4, even without getting rid of Becton. I have a hard time drafting a guy at 4 with the likelihood quite high that he at least begins the year on the bench.
I could be convinced that the likelihood of injury is so high on this team that he could fill any role on the OL minus center and be there to take the RT or LT role in 2023 if we can't re-sign Fant or Becton sloppyfats himself to death.
Would you be pissed if Douglas took him at 4? We always wanted a GM to address the OL and we got it.
Yes I would be pissed. Building an OL is a beautiful thing. But there is a point where you pour so many resources into one unit that it is detrimental to the entire teams growth. It’s the exact opposite of what we did from 2010-2019 takin Mo Wilk, Sheldon Richardson, Quentin Coples, Leonard Williams and Quinnen Williams. The only way I can justify the logic is if you have a trade in place to move Becton or Fant for ++++value to what they are worth (I’m talking 1st+ Type of value) OR you think Ekwonu is secretly the best C prospect of all time.
You can build a great offensive line with non first round picks. Douglas got us out of the doldrums of failure. Now he needs to sustain his build with depth draft picks with upside to start after a year or two of seasoning.
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If Ekwonu somehow fell to 10, which isn't completely impossible because he's 6'4" and GM's are weird about left tackle measurables, I'd want us to take him no matter what.
Would you be pissed if Douglas took him at 4?
If we passed on Aidan Hutchinson for him, yes. All other scenarios? Not at all.
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I'm pretty comfortable if we take an OL at 4 because I trust the FO. The most important thing is protecting our QB. Fant is an FA next offseason, and Becton is still something of a question mark.
If they...
- Don't trust Becton to stay healthy (or don't trust Fant)
- Can get a 2nd-round or more back for Becton (or 3rd-round or better for Fant)
- Love Ekwonu or Neal as an elite prospect
- Don't love the edge rushers available
...then I'm fine with an OL at 4.
There's a chance we head into next offseason with a broken Becton and a free agent Fant. That would be a disaster.
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I'm pretty comfortable if we take an OL at 4 because I trust the FO. The most important thing is protecting our QB. Fant is an FA next offseason, and Becton is still something of a question mark.
If they...
- Don't trust Becton to stay healthy (or don't trust Fant)
- Can get a 2nd-round or more back for Becton (or 3rd-round or better for Fant)
- Love Ekwonu or Neal as an elite prospect
- Don't love the edge rushers available
...then I'm fine with an OL at 4.
There's a chance we head into next offseason with a broken Becton and a free agent Fant. That would be a disaster.
I feel like the Jets would at the very least franchise tag Fant next year if Becton falls apart.
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A corner or any other defensive secondary player
I'm still traumatized by basically every safety or corner we've drafted in the first since Revis
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Can we just skip our picks altogether so they don't suck?
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I feel like the Jets would at the very least franchise tag Fant next year if Becton falls apart.
Probably right.
If the Jets are that sold on Ekwonu, and there have been some rumblings that they love him, they also could just draft him and hold onto Becton and Fant into training camp. I don't think that's entirely crazy. Someone will likely get hurt somewhere, and someone will desperately need an OT, and if all goes well with Becton, we might have a spare. In that scenario, maybe they end up trading Fant.
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- Don't trust Becton to stay healthy (or don't trust Fant)
None of us know if Becton is even healthy right now. There have been some tame hype videos, but the only thing non-upper body I've seen from him was pushing an empty sled. The front office is presumably much more informed about his status than we are, and if they don't think he's gong to be ready by OTA's or camp, it would make a ton of sense to go OT high. Let Becton heal and cover the swing during the season, then he can take over for Fant next season.
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None of us know if Becton is even healthy right now. There have been some tame hype videos, but the only thing non-upper body I've seen from him was pushing an empty sled. The front office is presumably much more informed about his status than we are, and if they don't think he's gong to be ready by OTA's or camp, it would make a ton of sense to go OT high. Let Becton heal and cover the swing during the season, then he can take over for Fant next season.
Exactly. That's why I default to the FO. If we take Ekwonu, that says something about how the staff looks at Becton. And since Douglas is the guy who drafted Becton, it ultimately looks bad on JD if we give up on Becton.
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Exactly. That's why I default to the FO. If we take Ekwonu, that says something about how the staff looks at Becton. And since Douglas is the guy who drafted Becton, it ultimately looks bad on JD if we give up on Becton.
I don’t agree with any of the premise here (that it’s time to give up on Becton) BUT I want to highlight the last thing you said “it looks bad if we give up on Becton”
Sure a miss is bad. But doubling down on a guy that you know “isn’t the answer” just to avoid “looking bad” will only make you look worse. If there is a problem, correct it. That’s what good GMs do.
I don’t think it’s time to make the determination Becton can’t be the guy. But if Jd and Saleh both are and truly don’t think he can get it right, moving on is the best course of action. I won’t agree with it in the slightest this early. But if he actually is a lost cause, then it’s the prudent course of action
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I think I'm really just at the point that I want Thibodeaux at 4 and anything else other than a trade down would be fine but not overly exciting to me.
Walker worries me that he's just the next Williams/Wilkerson/Richardson/etc compared to a superstar. Granted, if he is consistently peak those guys, I would be fine with that, but I'm scarred of how many DL we've had that looked like they were going to become stars, and plateaued at just very good.
Jermaine Johnson is good, but I don't know if he's a top-5 pick.
I think Sauce Gardner is good enough to be a top-5 pick. He's really grown on me throughout the process. But I don't want a cornerback at 4. A healthy Stingley can be a star as well, but he hasn't played enough to be worth a top-5 pick for me.
I love Ekwonu, but that likely means we're giving up on Becton. I like Evan Neal, too, but the same applies. And if we're not giving up on Becton, that means we're converting one of our better players to depth, which is not great when you don't have many top players.
I was hoping Kyle Hamilton would emerge as a can't-miss safety, and I like him, but he shouldn't be an option at 4.
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I think I'm really just at the point that I want Thibodeaux at 4 and anything else other than a trade down would be fine but not overly exciting to me.
I think same.
KT is my #1 hope, but I'm okay with TWalker, Sauce, Ekwonu. Anyone other than those 4 and I'll be confused. I still believe if Thibs is available he's the dude.
At 10 I'm very flexible, depending on the pick at 4. I don't see Joe making me uneasy with that one, even if/especially if he trades down. Any WR is fine, any Edge is fine if we took Ekwonu/Sauce at 4. Of course the WR talk is moot once we trade for DK in next few days, amirite! #eastermiracle
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Trevor Penning
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4.
Want: Hutch, Thibs, Walker
Can Live With: Sauce, Ickey, Stingley, Neal
Don't Want: JJ, Cross, Hamilton
10
Want: Jameson Williams, Garret Wilson, Stingley
Can Live With: London, Olave, JJ
Don't Want:
Not sure of the other possibilities
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I’d take Cross over Neal
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Final answer:
@4: Travon Walker, any DB
@10: anyone who isn't a receiver
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4- any DB or OL
10- any OL
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4
BEST CASE SCENARIO
- Thibodeaux or Hutchinson
- Trade down
HAPPY
- Travon Walker
I'LL DEAL WITH IT
- Ekwonu
DON'T LOVE IT, BUT I'LL DEAL WITH IT
- Neal, Cross, Gardner, Stingley, Jermaine Johnson
DO NOT WANT
- Anyone else
Most options at 10, I'm cool with.
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https://twitter.com/pickswise/status/1519806315538927617?s=21
Yuck
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My list with your format:
4
BEST CASE SCENARIO
- Thibodeaux or Hutchinson
- Trade down
HAPPY
- Travon Walker, Gardner
I'LL DEAL WITH IT
- Ekwonu
DON'T LOVE IT, BUT I'LL DEAL WITH IT
- Neal, Cross, Stingley, Jermaine Johnson
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https://twitter.com/pickswise/status/1519806315538927617?s=21
Yuck
Sauce/London confirmed