Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: Badger on March 29, 2022, 03:40:08 PM
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Every Jets draft opinion is based in part on PTSD. Walker is scary since we have drafted plenty of run stopping DL early and none were stars here. Hamilton is scary because of what happened with Adams. Mims makes us scared of not getting the exact WR they want.
I wonder what the all-time full 22 plus P+K out of traumatic Jets picks would look like.
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I wonder what the all-time full 22 plus P+K out of traumatic Jets picks would look like.
QB - Geno Smith
RB - Blair Thomas
WR - Devin Smith
WR - Denzel Mims
TE - Kyle Brady
OT - Dave Cadigan
OG - Vlad Ducasse
OG: Brian Winters
DE - Vernon Gholston
DL - Dewayne Robertson
DL - Quinton Coples
DE - Bryan Thomas
LB - Anthony Schlegel
LB - Darron Lee
CB - Dee Milliner
CB - Kyle Wilson
S - Calvin Pryor
S - Jamal Adams
Help me fill in the blanks
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Drafting Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp was much worse than drafting Simple Jace.
EDIT: You corrected it.
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LB: Jachai Polite
QB: Christian Hackenberg
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This is going to reignite the Geno/Hack debate again, isn't it?
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This is going to reignite the Geno/Hack debate again, isn't it?
JACKASS, I'LL KILL YOU
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This honestly deserves its own thread.
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OG: Rob Turner
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This honestly deserves its own thread.
Agreed.
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And if we're applying the word "traumatic" correctly, then Jamal Adams deserves a place on the team.
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Wait no, Rob Turner was just excrement. Truly traumatic was Brian Winters.
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OG: Rob Turner
we didn't draft this turd either, but Winters is a good one
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QB - Geno Smith
RB - Blair Thomas
WR - Devin Smith
WR - Denzel Mims
TE - Kyle Brady
OT - Dave Cadigan
OG - Vlad Ducasse
OG: Brian Winters
DE - Vernon Gholston
DT - Dewayne Robertson
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DE - Bryan Thomas
LB - Anthony Schlegel
LB - Darron Lee
CB - Dee Milliner
CB - Kyle Wilson
S - Calvin Pryor
S - Jamal Adams
Help me fill in the blanks
Coples
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This is going to reignite the Geno/Hack debate again, isn't it?
Hack can be Geno's backup on the PTSD team, to reflect the fact that Geno did significantly more damage to the team.
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HC: Adam Gase
OC: Brian Schottenheimer
DC: Mike Pettine
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HC: Adam Gase
OC: Brian Schottenheimer
DC: Mike Pettine
It's funny because the number 1 complaint about Jets coaches post-Parcells is that we keep hiring rookie head coaches. And the worst head coach of that era so far was someone with NFL HC experience.
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FB - BJ Askew or Roger Vick
K - Mike Nugent
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FB - BJ Askew
K - Mike Nugent
Nugent is the obvious choice for K. Not sure who the draft bust P would be.
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Nugent is the obvious choice for K. Not sure who the draft bust P would be.
Lachlan Edwards vs. Braden Mann
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Coples
Thank you. Could have had a decade of DeCastro.
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Is Stephen Hill WR 3?
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Is Stephen Hill WR 3?
ball boy
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It’s so depressing that 90% of thes guys have been drafted in the past 15 years. I know part of that is because we have been paying attention since then. The other part is we have been unbelievably awful, and these guys are largely the reason for that.
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James Farrior needs to be on there.
1. Was a bum for 3/4 years as a Jet. Exploded in his contract year just to leave.
2. Was drafted after we traded away from Orlando Pace for a collection of picks who would become bums (though indirectly it did get us Jason Ferguson in the 7th after additional trades) AND traded away from Walter Jones at 6.
3. He was a reminder of what happened when Peyton screwed us.
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HC: Adam Gase
OC: Brian Schottenheimer
DC: Mike Pettine
GM: Terry Bradway
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GM: Terry Bradway
GM: Mike Maccagnan*
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GM: Mike Maccagnan*
I think Bradway edges Duff out by a hair.
trading 2 first rounders to move up for a broken down DT like Robertson still gives me heartburn.
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I think Bradway edges Duff out by a hair.
How?
Maccagnan hired Gase, made some of the worst signings in NFL history, and drafted horribly.
Blindly trading up for QB and constantly bidding against himself...just all around awful.
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How?
Maccagnan hired Gase, made some of the worst signings in NFL history, and drafted horribly.
yes...but that's also a fresh wound.
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Bradway's resume
-2 firsts for Robertson
-the Doug Jolley trade
-drafted Nugent in the 2nd round
-influenced the Jets war room for 14 years
EDIT:
-trading a 2nd rounder and handing out a 7 yr 30 mil dollar contract to Justin "Stone hands" McCarreins
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This is going to reignite the Geno/Hack debate again, isn't it?
One guy is still in the NFL after a decade.
One guy got replaced in the AAF by Zach Mettenberger, Brandon Silvers and Johnny Manziel.
No debate necessary.
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QB - Geno Smith
RB - Blair Thomas
WR - Devin Smith
WR - Denzel Mims
TE - Kyle Brady
OT - Dave Cadigan
OG - Vlad Ducasse
OG: Brian Winters
DE - Vernon Gholston
DL - Dewayne Robertson
DL - Quinton Coples
DE - Bryan Thomas
LB - Anthony Schlegel
LB - Darron Lee
CB - Dee Milliner
CB - Kyle Wilson
S - Calvin Pryor
S - Jamal Adams
Help me fill in the blanks
Bryan Thomas and Brian Winters don't belong on this list.
Lam Jones at WR over Mims. At least Stephen Hill had one good game.
Roger Vick at fullback.
Hackenberg at QB.
Jachai Polite has to be on this team.
Jace Amaro over Kyle Brady IMO.
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One guy is still in the NFL after a decade.
One guy got replaced in the AAF by Zach Mettenberger, Brandon Silvers and Johnny Manziel.
No debate necessary.
Hack didn’t hurt the Jets. Geno did. You and Mantana Soss are the biggest Geno Truthers.
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Hack didn’t hurt the Jets. Geno did. You and Mantana Soss are the biggest Geno Truthers.
Hack not doing anything was a death blow to this team's future at the time. C'mon dude.
he wasn't a 7th round flier
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Bryan Thomas and Brian Winters don't belong on this list.
Lam Jones at WR over Mims. At least Stephen Hill had one good game.
Roger Vick at fullback.
Hackenberg at QB.
Jachai Polite has to be on this team.
Jace Amaro over Kyle Brady IMO.
I second taking BT off the list. Guy was a Jet for a decade and did a solid job even if he never became a good passrusher. The only way to justify it, in my mind, is that he was picked over Ed Reed, when Ed was a legit possibility. Could throw Rick Terry on there as one of the DL if you need a guy, a total bum who Parcells drafted and immediately hated.
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Hack didn’t hurt the Jets. Geno did. You and Mantana Soss are the biggest Geno Truthers.
Being so bad that you don't even get on the field makes you the worst pick.
Saying a 2nd-round pick who didn't play a game with the team because he was so bad "didn't hurt the Jets" is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read.
I get what your point is, but it's still stupid.
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I second taking BT off the list. Guy was a Jet for a decade and did a solid job even if he never became a good passrusher. The only way to justify it, in my mind, is that he was picked over Ed Reed, when Ed was a legit possibility. Could throw Rick Terry on there as one of the DL if you need a guy, a total bum who Parcells drafted and immediately hated.
The Ed Reed thing has to be why he's on the list.
He wasn't the edge rusher we asked for, but he was a good Jet for a while. He was basically another Calvin Pace.
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I second taking BT off the list. Guy was a Jet for a decade and did a solid job even if he never became a good passrusher. The only way to justify it, in my mind, is that he was picked over Ed Reed, when Ed was a legit possibility. Could throw Rick Terry on there as one of the DL if you need a guy, a total bum who Parcells drafted and immediately hated.
I would nominate Lou Benfatti at DT because I thought his name was funny as a kid, and he was a 3rd-round pick who did nothing.
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Being so bad that you don't even get on the field makes you the worst pick.
Saying a 2nd-round pick who didn't play a game with the team because he was so bad "didn't hurt the Jets" is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read.
I get what your point is, but it's still stupid.
His argument is we drafted Geno so we didn’t draft a guy like Carr the next year
I would say we drafted Hack and then didn’t draft a guy like Watson/Mahomes/trubisky the next year
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His argument is we drafted Geno so we didn’t draft a guy like Carr the next year
I would say we drafted Hack and then didn’t draft a guy like Watson/Mahomes/trubisky the next year
drafting Hack also led Duff to panic and trade 3 second rounders for Darnold.
Hack was a catalyst for a few shitty things that happened to this team.
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His argument is we drafted Geno so we didn’t draft a guy like Carr the next year
I would say we drafted Hack and then didn’t draft a guy like Watson/Mahomes/trubisky the next year
Our 2nd-best season in the last decade featured Geno Smith throwing to Jeremy Kerley, Santonio Holmes, David Nelson, Jeff Cumberland, Kellen Winslow, Stephen Hill, Clyde Gates and Greg Salad.
This isn't a defense of Geno as much as it is an expression of sadness.
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The Ed Reed thing has to be why he's on the list.
He wasn't the edge rusher we asked for, but he was a good Jet for a while. He was basically another Calvin Pace.
I remember at TGG he was HATED for a while, but everyone softened on him once they realized he was a decent player who just didn’t fit the role he was picked for.
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I remember at TGG he was HATED for a while, but everyone softened on him once they realized he was a decent player who just didn’t fit the role he was picked for.
we always raise a glass to ol' cactus
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we always raise a glass to ol' cactus
Haha. I totally forgot that was his nickname. Still funny.
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Bryan Thomas and Brian Winters don't belong on this list.
Lam Jones at WR over Mims. At least Stephen Hill had one good game.
Roger Vick at fullback.
Hackenberg at QB.
Jachai Polite has to be on this team.
Jace Amaro over Kyle Brady IMO.
It's not about which players were the worst, it's about which caused the most trauma to Jets fans. I would argue that a player taken high who was horrible but inexplicably played a lot would be more traumatic than someone taken high who didn't even see the field.
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Being so bad that you don't even get on the field makes you the worst pick.
Saying a 2nd-round pick who didn't play a game with the team because he was so bad "didn't hurt the Jets" is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read.
I get what your point is, but it's still stupid.
This argument always reminds me of the line in Moneyball, "would you rather get a bullet to the head or five to the chest and bleed to death?" Hack is the former, Geno is the latter.
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It's not about which players were the worst, it's about which caused the most trauma to Jets fans. I would argue that a player taken high who was horrible but inexplicably played a lot would be more traumatic than someone taken high who didn't even see the field.
Thank you
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What a depressing thread.
Nugent is the obvious choice for K. Not sure who the draft bust P would be.
Is it a fun fact that Robbie Gould was an UDFA from the same draft?
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IJS, someone literally screamed OH NO! as Roselle was announcing the Roger Vick choice.
There's video footage of Jets fans absolutely crushing (apparently given his career, with good reason) the 2nd round selection of halfback Anthony Davis out of USC back in 75. I'm going to see if I can find it again, but it's Jet fans literally shitting on the pick and Charlie Winner! Classic stuff. Time really is a flat circle.
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QB - Geno Smith
RB - Blair Thomas
WR - Devin Smith
WR - Denzel Mims
TE - Kyle Brady
OT - Dave Cadigan
OG - Vlad Ducasse
OG: Brian Winters
DE - Vernon Gholston
DL - Dewayne Robertson
DL - Quinton Coples
DE - Bryan Thomas
LB - Anthony Schlegel
LB - Darron Lee
CB - Dee Milliner
CB - Kyle Wilson
S - Calvin Pryor
S - Jamal Adams
Help me fill in the blanks
HACKENBERG IS QB1
Mods lock this thread until this is corrected
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I wonder what the all-time full 22 plus P+K out of traumatic Jets picks would look like.
You are a sick freak for this thread
Right before a draft that should be a pleasant experience for those of us with Jets draft brain trauma
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This is going to reignite the Geno/Hack debate again, isn't it?
LFG AR, Clearly team Hack
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What a depressing thread.
Is it a fun fact that Robbie Gould was an UDFA from the same draft?
Today we'll find out how far I can deep throat a shotgun.
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And if we're applying the word "traumatic" correctly, then Jamal Adams deserves a place on the team.
That’s a different thread.
He was a decent draft pick (Mahomes would have been nice), a good player here, and got us an absolute haul. Helped us in the long scheme of things.
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Today we'll find out how far I can deep throat a shotgun.
How bout instead we shotgun at lot D1 next year once it’s freezing cold out
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Can we give Dexter McDougal a shoutout as well? 3rd round pick spent on a dude that should have gone I drafted, missed as much time as cashman, and we knew he was fragile when we picked him. Yet that’s a guy we drafted that highly. Never thought he was a good player at Maryland even when he was healthy. But Rex loved something about the guy. Then again he loved milliner and Kyle Wilson too, so freak did he know about evaluating college CBs
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The argument for including Bryan Thomas, besides picking him over Reed, is that he was one of our "doesn't get sacks but is kinda good against the run" guys, which is an undercurrent in how we might look at Travon Walker.
But I don't really want to single out BT, he was one of many.
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Ducasse and Winters may be the 2 most prominent guys that shaped my pathological hatred of the "we can just find a gord later" attitude. You could throw Slauson in there too.
Ducasse was the biggest bust because he was taken in the 2nd but none of them were ever better than mediocre.
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Ducasse and Winters may be the 2 most prominent guys that shaped my pathological hatred of the "we can just find a gord later" attitude. You could throw Slauson in there too.
Ducasse was the biggest bust because he was taken in the 2nd but none of them were ever better than mediocre.
Stuttering Slauson was a guy in retrospect we shouldn’t have let walk. He started a few more years in Chicago and our line (somehow) managed to get worse without him
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Stuttering Slauson was a guy in retrospect we shouldn’t have let walk. He started a few more years in Chicago and our line (somehow) managed to get worse without him
True, because we kept shopping the bargain bin for gords.
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Stuttering Slauson was a guy in retrospect we shouldn’t have let walk. He started a few more years in Chicago and our line (somehow) managed to get worse without him
He was a locker room snitch. He needed to go.
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Stuttering Slauson was a guy in retrospect we shouldn’t have let walk. He started a few more years in Chicago and our line (somehow) managed to get worse without him
He definitely shouldn't have been that difficult to replace.
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Can we give Dexter McDougal a shoutout as well? 3rd round pick spent on a dude that should have gone I drafted, missed as much time as cashman, and we knew he was fragile when we picked him. Yet that’s a guy we drafted that highly. Never thought he was a good player at Maryland even when he was healthy. But Rex loved something about the guy. Then again he loved milliner and Kyle Wilson too, so freak did he know about evaluating college CBs
The entire 2014** draft was traumatic. The only legit NFL career out of the 12 picks that year is from Dakota Dozier, who was somehow an every down, 16 game starter in 2020 and was apparently just signed by the Bears.
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The entire 2012 draft was traumatic. The only legit NFL career out of the 12 picks that year is from Dakota Dozier, who was somehow an every down, 16 game starter in 2020 and was apparently just signed by the Bears.
Saying this like Pro Bowler DeMario Davis isn't a thing.
Edit: just realised you meant to say 2014.
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The entire 2012 draft was traumatic.
When I first learned about Christian Watson my first question was "he's not another Stephen Hill is he?"
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Saying this like Pro Bowler DeMario Davis isn't a thing.
Edit: just realised you meant to say 2014.
Yeah, 2014. Too many bad drafts to keep straight.
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Yeah, 2014. Too many bad drafts to keep straight.
I think 2014 was the last time I was totally blindsided by our 1st round pick.
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I think 2014 was the last time I was totally blindsided by our 1st round pick.
I remember wanting Brandin Cooks and no one else.
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I remember wanting Brandin Cooks and no one else.
TBF we've got CJ Mosley and LaMarcus Joyner, had Austin Seferian-Jenkins, and might get Dee Ford, so we appear to be working our way through the ones we missed out on between our first and second picks. Keep your fingers crossed.
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I think 2014 was the last time I was totally blindsided by our 1st round pick.
Darron Lee caught me off guard, mostly because I didn't understand how he fit in our system.
Still don't.
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I think 2014 was the last time I was totally blindsided by our 1st round pick.
I don't know if we were blindsided by Quinnen, but no one really had a clue what we were going to do in 2019. Including Macc.
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I don't know if we were blindsided by Quinnen, but no one really had a clue what we were going to do in 2019. Including Macc.
All of us were dying for a trade down, but I think all of us knew it was gonna be Quinnen if we didn't trade.
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All of us were dying for a trade down, but I think all of us knew it was gonna be Quinnen if we didn't trade.
He was definitely one of the candidates, but I recall there being plenty of others who were on the list of possible and/or desirable options. We were already pretty stacked up from with McLendon, Williams, Hank before everyone hated him, Shepherd before everyone knew he was crap, and a few more besides. Adding another DL with the third overall pick was not a thing many people were excited for the idea of.
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Darron Lee caught me off guard, mostly because I didn't understand how he fit in our system.
Still don't.
I don't know if we were blindsided by Quinnen, but no one really had a clue what we were going to do in 2019. Including Macc.
Lee and Q both came up often enough as possibilities that I wasn't shocked when they happened.
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I remember wanting Brandin Cooks and no one else.
Same. I threw a tantrum in the bar where we were watching the draft.
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A lot of us were high on Josh Allen but it became pretty obvious as the 2019 draft drew closer that we were going to take Quinnen if we didn't trade out. He and Bosa were the consensus top-2 players in the draft.
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A lot of us were high on Josh Allen but it became pretty obvious as the 2019 draft drew closer that we were going to take Quinnen if we didn't trade out. He and Bosa were the consensus top-2 players in the draft.
Fun fact: we were a random Cole Beasley touchdown on a 4th and 15 from the 32 yard line in a meaningless Giants Cowboys game week 17 away from getting Bosa. We and the Niners were locked in a SOS dogfight and the cowboys win/giant loss pushed them in front of us.
11:00 mark of this video : https://youtube.com/watch?v=ftOqe2UlisY&feature=share
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Answering this question purely through the lens of who I was simply adamant against and detested the pick: Geno and Hack
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Answering this question purely through the lens of who I was simply adamant against and detested the pick: Geno and Hack
Only time I've ever been certain we just made a bad pick. I was full-on Vaynerchuking.
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This thread helps me poop
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Answering this question purely through the lens of who I was simply adamant against and detested the pick: Geno and Hack
Amen
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Just to be clear, Geno > Hack tho.
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Just to be clear, Geno > Hack tho.
incorrect
Hack pays his debts
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Fun fact: we were a random Cole Beasley touchdown on a 4th and 15 from the 32 yard line in a meaningless Giants Cowboys game week 17 away from getting Bosa. We and the Niners were locked in a SOS dogfight and the cowboys win/giant loss pushed them in front of us.
11:00 mark of this video : https://youtube.com/watch?v=ftOqe2UlisY&feature=share
Yep. Was so annoyed when that play happened.
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incorrect
Hack pays his debts
Hacks debts are to 24 year olds selling pain pills
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I'm having 2013 flashbacks.
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I'm having 2013 flashbacks.
We can't draft Geno this time
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We can't draft Geno this time
Pickett at 10.
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I'm having 2013 flashbacks.
The most disappointing draft pick of my recent life is Christian Hackenberg. I do not even know what is 2nd at this point.
Every 1st-round pick you could make a real case for being a good pick, even if a lot of them didn't work out. Even guys like Pryor and Coples and Lee which seemed like odd picks at the time. I know everyone here hated Geno, but I was fine with him in round 2. Round 1 would have been a disaster.
Christian Hackenberg should not have been drafted. Anyone who watched him play in college saw how bad he was. And we took him in the 2nd round. That was the most predictably bad pick we've ever had. Mike Nugent honorable mention.
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The most disappointing draft pick of my recent life is Christian Hackenberg. I do not even know what is 2nd at this point.
Every 1st-round pick you could make a real case for being a good pick, even if a lot of them didn't work out. Even guys like Pryor and Coples and Lee which seemed like odd picks at the time. I know everyone here hated Geno, but I was fine with him in round 2. Round 1 would have been a disaster.
Christian Hackenberg should not have been drafted. Anyone who watched him play in college saw how bad he was. And we took him in the 2nd round. That was the most predictably bad pick we've ever had. Mike Nugent honorable mention.
Him and Geno were both the only picks I can remember saying while we were on the clock, "Please God don't take this guy I think you are about to take". And they took him. Usually it's that same statement followed by NOT picking him.
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Hackenberg was drafted directly due to Geno being a bust, so he's still responsible.
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We can't draft Geno this time
But we can take an ok-not-great DL and a historically injured CB.
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shame on Badger for bumping this
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shame on Badger for bumping this
I'm dragging you all down with me.
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I'm dragging you all down with me.
my draft hat will protect me from evil.
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Hackenberg was drafted directly due to Geno being a bust, so he's still responsible.
Even worse that we didn’t learn our lesson and drafted an even bigger bust
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Hackenberg's bust level is basically Jachai Polite plus James Morgan. Geno was worse.
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Hackenberg's bust level is basically Jachai Polite plus James Morgan. Geno was worse.
I need to take a shower after reading this
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Geno was worse.
yes
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I need to take a shower after reading this
I'm adjusting it
Hackenberg = Polite+Saunders+Morgan
Definitely a smaller bust footprint than Geno.
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Geno is still an NFL quarterback. Hackenberg never played a down
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I'm adjusting it
Hackenberg = Polite+Saunders+Morgan
Definitely a smaller bust footprint than Geno.
Hackenberg = Darnold + Gase
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Geno is still an NFL quarterback.
He was never an NFL QB so how can he still be one?