Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2022, 08:31:48 AM
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Put your favorite targets for the Jets here.
New England* CB JC Jackson
Dallas TE Dalton Schultz
Tennessee EDGE Harold Landry
Atlanta LB Foyesade Oluokun
San Francisco OG Laken Tomlinson
Tampa Bay CB Carlton Davis
New Orleans S Marcus Williams
Cincinnati S Jessie Bates
Los Angeles WR Mike Williams
Arizona WR Christian Kirk
Seattle CB DJ Reed
Los Angeles C Brian Allen
Los Angeles OG Austin Corbett
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I would spend big on JC Jackson and Jessie Bates. That revamps the secondary.
If JD can add Oluokun (a standout in our scheme) then our defense takes a giant leap with just 3 signings.
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I'd be shocked if MW left the Chargers, unless for some reason they can't afford to re-sign him.
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If the Jets came away with JC Jackson and Dalton Schultz alone....the JD statue should go up at MetLife.
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Harold Landry would be a great signing as well.
Lawson/Landry 2022
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I wish the regular season was as fun as the off season.
Harold Landry would be a fun chess piece, but not sure we'd get the best use out of him in our scheme.
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Re: TE
How does Schultz compare to some of the kids in the draft like McBride, Wydermeyer, etc..
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Re: TE
How does Schultz compare to some of the kids in the draft like McBride, Wydermeyer, etc..
Schultz is already seasoned...and a big RZ target. I also like that he's only 25.
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Re: TE
How does Schultz compare to some of the kids in the draft like McBride, Wydermeyer, etc..
Jalen Wydermyer is all potential. He looks great on paper and makes some exception plays, but he drops a ton of passes. He's actually a very good blocker though.
Trey McBride is probably the best blocking tight end in the class, but he's also a very polished receiver.
Schultz is the perfect example that you can find quality tight ends in the middle rounds. He was a fourth round pick that was considered a blocking specialist. He didn't do much as a receiver at Stanford. He's developed into a very good receiver that is helped out by a great offensive playcaller, QB, and loaded receiving corps. I think he'd be great for Zach Wilson, but is he really worth a huge contract?
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I would spend big on JC Jackson and Jessie Bates. That revamps the secondary.
If JD can add Oluokun (a standout in our scheme) then our defense takes a giant leap with just 3 signings.
Marcus Williams would be amazing as well but he'll cost big money, he's just played a year on the tag.
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Marcus Williams would be amazing as well but he'll cost big money, he's just played a year on the tag.
Yeah, he's really good. We need one big signing in the secondary, preferably JC Jackson...but one of the two top safeties would be great.
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PR Greg Dortch
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PR Greg Dortch
Can't afford him
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Much prefer Schultz, but Gesicki and Njoku are FAs
They have their faults but I would take one over Ryan Griffin
Signing Schultz/Njoku/Gesicki and drafting a TE in the 2nd/3rd/4th would have me pretty pumped. We’ve treated the position like it doesn’t exist for the past 10 years
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Don’t think any of these would be targets but
Engram
Ertz
Gronk
All scheduled to be FA’s
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Can't afford him
See you fellas next year, enjoy the blowout
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Can't wait until the F words fly after Franchise tags are announced
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Don’t think any of these would be targets but
Engram
Ertz
Gronk
All scheduled to be FA’s
If we get an in-line TE that can block like Schultz, Engram would be interesting as a TE2 because he can line up just about anywhere.
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Can't wait until the F words fly after Franchise tags are announced
Nothing we can do about that. I expect most of the big names to get tagged. That's why this draft is so important. We need to find our own homegrown stars.
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If we get an in-line TE that can block like Schultz, Engram would be interesting as a TE2 because he can line up just about anywhere.
I've been told by a reliable diehard Giants fan that Engram catches like Justin McCareins
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Don’t think any of these would be targets but
Engram
Ertz
Gronk
All scheduled to be FA’s
I reckon the Giants are going to go scorched earth as well, so I doubt they make any real effort to get Engram back.
I like Njoku a lot but he's about 90% receiver.
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Nothing we can do about that. I expect most of the big names to get tagged. That's why this draft is so important. We need to find our own homegrown stars.
Agreed. But this is why i taper my FA excitement until i see who's left after "tag season"
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Signing Schultz/Njoku/Gesicki and drafting a TE in the 2nd/3rd/4th would have me pretty pumped. We’ve treated the position like it doesn’t exist for the past 10 years
This is my thinking too. If we don't land Schultz, signing a second-tier FA AND drafting McBride would be amazing.
McBride would be phenomenal for Zach.
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I've been told by a reliable diehard Giants fan that Engram catches like Justin McCareins
Take volume away from him and put him in better spots, he's a weapon. As a fourth or fifth option in a passing offense, he'd be nice to have.
I bet he ends up somewhere like LA or GB and does well.
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Take volume away from him and put him in better spots, he's a weapon. As a fourth or fifth option in a passing offense, he'd be nice to have.
I bet he ends up somewhere like LA or GB and does well.
The other knock on him is he's only played 1 full season since being drafted.
I guess if he comes on a cheap, prove-it deal....it'd be worth a flier. But my expectations would be super low. I think there's better options out there.
EDIT: thought about it some more...and it's a hard pass for me. Zach really needs a reliable pass catching TE to help take him to the next level in his development. I don't think Engram fits that bill.
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The other knock on him is he's only played 1 full season since being drafted.
I guess if he comes on a cheap, prove-it deal....it'd be worth a flier. But my expectations would be super low. I think there's better options out there.
EDIT: thought about it some more...and it's a hard pass for me. Zach really needs a reliable pass catching TE to help take him to the next level in his development. I don't think Engram fits that bill.
So you'd rather have Kroft or Griffin as TE2?
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So you'd rather have Kroft or Griffin as TE2?
how did you come to that conclusion from my post?
You know from our prev convos and my post history that i believe TE needs to be upgraded big time. I just don't think Engram is a good fit for us.
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I don't think Jackson will get away from NE and he won't have any desire to come here. I bet they franchise him. Duff would have massively overpaid for him, but Douglas won't.
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I don't think Jackson will get away from NE and he won't have any desire to come here. I bet they franchise him. Duff would have massively overpaid for him, but Douglas won't.
He's worth the overpay. a top 3 cover corner in the league.
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how did you come to that conclusion from my post?
Because I said I would sign Engram as a TE2 IF we signed someone like Schultz as TE1.
I think it's a risk/reward if he comes in as a gadget player (TE2, H-Back, Slot).
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I don't think Jackson will get away from NE and he won't have any desire to come here. I bet they franchise him. Duff would have massively overpaid for him, but Douglas won't.
I'm not sure you can overpay a 26 year old elite corner that takes the football away consistently.
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Because I said I would sign Engram as a TE2 IF we signed someone like Schultz as TE1.
I think it's a risk/reward if he comes in as a gadget player (TE2, H-Back, Slot).
I missed that post. My bad.
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I missed that post. My bad.
Yeah, it is your bad. Get it together.
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Yeah, it is your bad. Get it together.
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He's worth the overpay. a top 3 cover corner in the league.
I don't think Douglas would overpay what it would take. I'm not saying he isn't worth it.
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I don't think Douglas would overpay what it would take. I'm not saying he isn't worth it.
If Douglas wanted him, he'd jedi mindfuck Belichick into getting him.
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This is my thinking too. If we don't land Schultz, signing a second-tier FA AND drafting McBride would be amazing.
McBride would be phenomenal for Zach.
I really want McBride. Wonder if we would have to spend one of our high 2’s on him
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I really want McBride. Wonder if we would have to spend one of our high 2’s on him
Probably and it would be a good pick too, even if we sign Schultz
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Sign Oluokun, draft Dean, profit
LB Corps: Dean - Mosley - Oluokun
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So you'd rather have Kroft or Griffin as TE2?
I feel like there's more options than the three of them.
They all have drop and health issues so I don't see anyone in particular being an upgrade over the other.
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I feel like there's more options than the three of them.
They all have drop and health issues so I don't see anyone in particular being an upgrade over the other.
But Engram can actually do something after the catch at least. I'd prefer just drafting McBride and possibly a move tight end in the later rounds.
If Engram or Everett are cheap, they are good fits in the offense as a boot and move pass catchers.
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Sign Oluokun, draft Dean, profit
LB Corps: Dean - Mosley - Oluokun
You're going to hate me for saying this but I feel like Saleh is going to go with a lower tier FA and give Quincey a chance to compete on the strong side.
RE: shifting Mosley back to Mike, would we be doing that to give Dean a year to develop and then move him to Mike when Mosely's contract is up or do you see Will as his natural position?
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But Engram can actually do something after the catch at least. I'd prefer just drafting McBride and possibly a move tight end in the later rounds.
If Engram or Everett are cheap, they are good fits in the offense as a boot and move pass catchers.
I just don't trust Engram to stay on the field. I feel like he'll mostly work out to a blank roster spot. I'm all for a late round TE to take over his spot instead of spending money to sign offensive Blake Cashman.
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I just don't trust Engram to stay on the field. I feel like he'll mostly work out to a blank roster spot. I'm all for a late round TE to take over his spot instead of spending money to sign offensive Blake Cashman.
Engram has played 31 of 33 games the last 2 seasons.
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Put your favorite targets for the Jets here.
New England* CB JC Jackson
Dallas TE Dalton Schultz
Tennessee EDGE Harold Landry
Atlanta LB Foyesade Oluokun
San Francisco OG Laken Tomlinson
Tampa Bay CB Carlton Davis
New Orleans S Marcus Williams
Cincinnati S Jessie Bates
Los Angeles WR Mike Williams
Arizona WR Christian Kirk
Seattle CB DJ Reed
Los Angeles C Brian Allen
Los Angeles OG Austin Corbett
These three are my absolute needs (Bates or Williams).
Echols and Hall have each earned another year IMO. Might be a mistake, but it's a good message for the youngest team in the league. "If you earn your role, we're not just going to give it to a rich Patriot in the offseason."
I'm assuming we're bringing LDT back. If that's not the case and Ekwonu/Green are not drafted, I need Laken Tomlinson.
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I wonder about LDT. After his year off being an upstanding citizen and then KC trading him, I wonder how much he loves playing football. That's not a knock on him at all, just that he's already a multimillionaire, he knows better than most the long term damage that football does, and he's clearly got a calling beyond the sport. It's nothing but a hunch but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him retire.
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These three are my absolute needs (Bates or Williams).
Echols and Hall have each earned another year IMO. Might be a mistake, but it's a good message for the youngest team in the league. "If you earn your role, we're not just going to give it to a rich Patriot in the offseason."
I'm assuming we're bringing LDT back. If that's not the case and Ekwonu/Green are not drafted, I need Laken Tomlinson.
We have so many different directions we can go in.
Long-term, we are likely better off with Hall and Echols competing for one starting outside cornerback spot, with the other being our #4 CB. We had the worst defense in the NFL last season - we can't just hand them the jobs because they "earned their role."
If we end up using our biggest resources to fill other needs, I think we're fine with Hall and Echols on the outside, but we should bring in some competition.
The only thing I don't want at CB is to spend a top-10 pick on that position.
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I'm assuming we're bringing LDT back.
I hope so, but there's always the chance he goes back into the medical field.
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I wonder about LDT. After his year off being an upstanding citizen and then KC trading him, I wonder how much he loves playing football. That's not a knock on him at all, just that he's already a multimillionaire, he knows better than most the long term damage that football does, and he's clearly got a calling beyond the sport. It's nothing but a hunch but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him retire.
He said after the season that all of his options are open, and he might not even be able to play given his other profession.
I don't think we can count on him as the starter, but if he is the 2022 version of GVR (the veteran stopgap OG that we replace when we find a better option), that would be great.
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But Engram can actually do something after the catch at least. I'd prefer just drafting McBride and possibly a move tight end in the later rounds.
McBride & Kolar 2022
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McBride & Kolar 2022
McBride, Kolar and Engram works.
Hard to count too much on rookie tight ends. They rarely produce a ton as rookies, though Freiermuth and Pitts were both good this past season.
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If we miss on Schultz, I'd be fine with Gerald Everett as a fallback option. We need players that can catch the football.
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McBride & Kolar 2022
Cole Turner over Kolar
Sam LaPorta from Iowa is also intriguing
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Engram has played 31 of 33 games the last 2 seasons.
And if you go back one more season he missed an additional 8 games.
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RE: shifting Mosley back to Mike, would we be doing that to give Dean a year to develop and then move him to Mike when Mosely's contract is up or do you see Will as his natural position?
I'd give Dean the keys right away if we take him that high (unless Mosley feels a certain way about it). Behind a heavy defensive line, Dean can play Mike, Will, or Sam.
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I'd give Dean the keys right away if we take him that high (unless Mosley feels a certain way about it). Behind a heavy defensive line, Dean can play Mike, Will, or Sam.
Mosely was already fine with moving to Will for Davis, I think he'll be fine for the teams #1 pick.
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I'm curious about Marcus Maye's current standing with the team. I know most of us have written him off because he was snarky about the tag and we've had our fill of snarky safeties, but his situation has changed dramatically since then. He's almost certainly going to play in 2022 on a one-year prove-it deal. He can do that in a new city on a new team, or he can do it here in a system with which he's now familiar.
Maybe that bridge is well and truly burned; maybe Maye burned it on his end, maybe the Jets FO burned it on theirs. But I didn't see anything from my perspective that I couldn't dismiss as "just business" moving forward. If Bates or Williams comes in then it's moot, but he might wind up being a good value option if we miss out on the top tier of free agent safeties.
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I'm curious about Marcus Maye's current standing with the team. I know most of us have written him off because he was snarky about the tag and we've had our fill of snarky safeties, but his situation has changed dramatically since then. He's almost certainly going to play in 2022 on a one-year prove-it deal. He can do that in a new city on a new team, or he can do it here in a system with which he's now familiar.
Maybe that bridge is well and truly burned; maybe Maye burned it on his end, maybe the Jets FO burned it on theirs. But I didn't see anything from my perspective that I couldn't dismiss as "just business" moving forward. If Bates or Williams comes in then it's moot, but he might wind up being a good value option if we miss out on the top tier of free agent safeties.
Will he be ready for the season after an Achilles in November? Cam Akers is the exception, not the norm.
In general, I agree with your post, but I don't think Maye wants to come back. So if he's getting a 1-year prove it deal, my guess is he takes it elsewhere. But we'll see.
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Is he even allowed to play a one year deal here? I think it would have to be a tag again if we don't give him a longer contract, but I'm not a contract rules guru.
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Is he even allowed to play a one year deal here? I think it would have to be a tag again if we don't give him a longer contract, but I'm not a contract rules guru.
If he hits the market it doesn't matter, right?
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I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back on a one year, prove it deal, but I'd want another starting safety ready to take his role on the roster (the roll opposite Davis, who I assume has the starting spot at this point).
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Joe Douglas should take a look at Justin Reid from the Texans....playmaking safety, 24 years old.
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Joe Douglas should take a look at Justin Reid from the Texans....playmaking safety, 24 years old.
Dat boy fast
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1481629282749358082
Tight end Lawrence Cager.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1481629282749358082
Future grocery bagging Tight end Lawrence Cager.
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Maybe we should sign ODB instead of using an early pick on a WR
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Maybe we should sign ODB instead of using an early pick on a WR
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No but we couldn't possibly because apparently he's a distraction or something.
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I want to see ODB's dad and Zach's dad fistfight.
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it's OBJ
there is only one ODB
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it's OBJ
there is only one ODB
This is not correct. There were two and then one died.
Edit: actually it is correct. Because the one who couldn't catch footballs died.
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This is not correct. There were two and then one died.
Edit: actually it is correct. Because the one who couldn't catch footballs died.
It's like people who try to call Ladainian Tomlinson LdT
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This is not correct. There were two and then one died.
Edit: actually it is correct. Because the one who couldn't catch footballs died.
there was only ever one ODB
if his name was 'O'Dell Beckham', then ODB could actually make sense. it's not. it doesn't.
i posit that, were there never a famous figure that made the name/term 'ODB' famous and roll off the tongue, people would never think of erroneously referring to odell beckham as 'ODB'
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It's fine to call him ODB actually.
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there was only ever one ODB
if his name was 'O'Dell Beckham', then ODB could actually make sense. it's not. it doesn't.
i posit that, were there never a famous figure that made the name/term 'ODB' famous and roll off the tongue, people would never think of erroneously referring to odell beckham as 'ODB'
I'm sure you're right but the fact that it annoys fans of a terrible rap group makes it funny.
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I'm sure you're right but the fact that it annoys fans of a terrible rap group makes it funny.
No one is taking the guy who still listens to numetal’s opinions on rap music.
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No one is taking the guy who still listens to numetal’s opinions on rap music.
Hey, I like a bit of rap music.
Not that lot though.
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Any interest in Patrick Peterson? Minnesota are probably rebuilding so I doubt they'll offer him much to stay. 31 now but has barely missed a game in his career. Seems like an ideal veteran to add to the young guys in the room.
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Any interest in Patrick Peterson? Minnesota are probably rebuilding so I doubt they'll offer him much to stay. 31 now but has barely missed a game in his career. Seems like an ideal veteran to add to the young guys in the room.
Pat Pete lowkey had a very good year on an otherwise excrement defense. Wouldn't mind him as a veteran fallback at all if they decide to allocate major dollars elsewhere.
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Pat Pete lowkey had a very good year on an otherwise excrement defense. Wouldn't mind him as a veteran fallback at all if they decide to allocate major dollars elsewhere.
Za Wil
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Pat Pete in a Cover 3 is kinda wasted, but talent and experience wouldn't hurt
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Rumors out there that we will get DeMarcus Lawrence if he’s cut.
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-cuts-demarcus-lawrence-contract-free-agency-new-york-jets-rumor
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Rumors out there that we will get DeMarcus Lawrence if he’s cut.
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-cuts-demarcus-lawrence-contract-free-agency-new-york-jets-rumor
Meh
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Written by Timm Hamm
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Rumors out there that we will get DeMarcus Lawrence if he’s cut.
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-cuts-demarcus-lawrence-contract-free-agency-new-york-jets-rumor
It's all very speculative. But it seems slightly unlikely we'd invest big money into Lawrence with Lawson presumably coming back.
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It's all very speculative. But it seems slightly unlikely we'd invest big money into Lawrence with Lawson presumably coming back.
He's also kinda done. 5 sacks in 2019, 6.5 in 2020, 3 in 2021. He'd be more of a Vinny Curry signing at this point in his career.
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He's also kinda done. 5 sacks in 2019, 6.5 in 2020, 3 in 2021. He'd be more of a Vinny Curry signing at this point in his career.
He missed 10 games in 2021.
Signing him on a mercenary type, one year deal as a situational pass rusher would be cool.
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Per Rotoworld:
DK Metcalf, WR, Seattle Seahawks
The Athletic's Michael-Shawn Dugar suggested the Seahawks could acquire an early first-round draft pick in exchange for DK Metcalf.
Seattle doesn't have a first rounder this year. Dugar said the team's "only realistic option" to get a first-round pick would be dealing Metcalf, 24, whose contract expires after the 2022 season. The other option -- one the Seahawks say they aren't considering -- would be trading Russell Wilson. Since entering the NFL in 2019, Metcalf is fifth in receiving touchdowns (29), tenth in receiving yards (3,170) ,and 17th in receptions (216). At his best, he's a nearly-unstoppable deep ball threat who can outrun anyone and everyone on the field. A handful of teams with early draft picks would likely jump at the opportunity to acquire Metcalf if Seattle is willing to part with him this offseason. It would be a stupifying decision by the Seahawks.
This almost certainly won't happen but trading the Seahawks pick back to them for Metcalf would be excellent.
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Per Rotoworld:
This almost certainly won't happen but trading the Seahawks pick back to them for Metcalf would be excellent.
#10 for Metcalf and a 3rd
Make it happen Tanny
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I wouldn't want to trade a 1st for the dude unless he agreed on a contract extension.
The dudes an UFA after the season , why would he want to stick around here? The tag for a wideout is going to be north of 20 million.
I'd rather offer one of this year's top wideouts a stupid cotnract than to give up a 1st and then offer a stupid contract anyway
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DK Metcalf's 24 years old and a true #1 receiver. Obviously, he'd have to agree to a contract extension but he's a safer investment than anyone we could take at 10.
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The Patriots have yet to open contract talks with free agent J.C. Jackson this offseason.
“I guess they feel they don't need me,” Jackson told NBC Sports Boston. “Can't be that important. I know I am but they're not showing me.” Jackson is looking to be paid as a top-five corner, a deal they would have no trouble getting in free agency. The Patriots haven't been close on a new contract, with sides breaking off talks during the season. Jackson is open to playing under the $17 million franchise tender if he's tagged, which is looking increasingly likely. Jackson, a second-team All Pro, finished second in the NFL with eight interceptions last year and leads all cornerbacks in interceptions since 2018.
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If the Jets come away with JC Jackson and Dalton Schultz in FA....I will institute a ban on Joe Douglas slander until further notice.
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If the Jets come away with JC Jackson and Dalton Schultz in FA....I will institute a ban on Joe Douglas slander until further notice.
Whatever, Vladimir Poutine.
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Whatever, Vladimir Poutine.
shouldn't you be on your tugboat heading to the Black Sea?
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If the Jets come away with JC Jackson and Dalton Schultz in FA....I will institute a ban on Joe Douglas slander until further notice.
We won't get anyone top-tier. Hopefully we get some mid-tier guys that become top tier.
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Whatever, Vladimir Poutine.
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Whatever, Vladimir Poutine.
Lolol
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We won't get anyone top-tier. Hopefully we get some mid-tier guys that become top tier.
Dude...stop.
Let Bobby Salad cook.
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Now i want poutine......cunts, the whole lot of you.
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On paper, Jackson is exactly the guy you pay for. Hall and Echols are fine as CB2 and CB4 with our young nickel backs.
The Patriots have paid for cornerbacks in the past, so you wonder why they would let Jackson go. Do they not trust his character? Do they not trust his abilities? I don't think Jackson is a shutdown cornerback like Gilmore or Revis or some of those guys, but he's still very good, and he is a proven playmaker. We've been so starved for takeaways on defense for so long where I would love a CB who is known for his ball skills.
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The Patriots have paid for cornerbacks in the past, so you wonder why they would let Jackson go. Do they not trust his character?
He tried to freak Mac Jones after seeing his child-bearing hips.
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Whatever, Vladimir Poutine.
Yesssss
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Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
The #Giants are releasing veteran TE Kyle Rudolph, clearing $5.2M in cap space.
I don't want him, but I would like enough free agent tight ends to hit the market such that other teams don't feel obligated to get in bidding wars with us for Dalton Schultz.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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1m
Cowboys are “likely” to release WR Amari Copper by the start of the new league year, per league sources.
Cooper is due $20 million in fully guaranteed money on the fifth day of the new league year, March 20.
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wow
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I'm thinking I don't want to spend money on a FA WR this year. The draft is loaded with them and we have lots of picks.
I'd rather get free agents in positions that are difficult to project as rookies. Linebacker, DL, etc. If a free agent top tier CB is available, I'd be on that.
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I'm thinking I don't want to spend money on a FA WR this year. The draft is loaded with them and we have lots of picks.
I'd rather get free agents in positions that are difficult to project as rookies. Linebacker, DL, etc. If a free agent top tier CB is available, I'd be on that.
Cooper is one of the best route runners in the league, and he's only 27. I know the draft is loaded, but i wouldn't be mad if we signed Cooper.
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Sign Cooper and draft a receiver in the second.
Cooper
Davis
Moore
Rookie
Berrios
Move on from Davis if he underperforms again
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I'm thinking I don't want to spend money on a FA WR this year. The draft is loaded with them and we have lots of picks.
I'd rather get free agents in positions that are difficult to project as rookies. Linebacker, DL, etc. If a free agent top tier CB is available, I'd be on that.
I'd absolutely spend money on a top wideout in FA. Fix things in FA that can be fixed.
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Sign Cooper and draft a receiver in the second.
Cooper
Davis
Moore
Rookie
Berrios
Move on from Davis if he underperforms again
If they're releasing Cooper, i'm sure it's only a matter of time before they franchise tag Schultz. Draft a TE or bust for us.
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Fix things in FA that can be fixed.
Fill holes with starting caliber players, not band-aids. It gives Joe Douglas more flexibility in the draft. He can take his top players and not draft for need.
Douglas was very unlucky with injuries this season, but he's got to spend some money on defense to help his coaching staff. We need a corner. We need linebackers. We need a safety.
I get that he wants to build through the draft, but we also need veterans that can play.
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Field Yates
@FieldYates
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3m
The minute he is released, Amari Cooper is eligible to sign a new deal elsewhere. He’s just 27 years old and has four 1,000-yard seasons under his belt.
At his best, he’s an elite route runner with the speed to stress a defense vertically as well.
He’ll have a major market.
Big Doug should be at the front of the line
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Fill holes with starting caliber players, not band-aids. It gives Joe Douglas more flexibility in the draft. He can take his top players and not draft for need.
Douglas was very unlucky with injuries this season, but he's got to spend some money on defense to help his coaching staff. We need a corner. We need linebackers. We need a safety.
I get that he wants to build through the draft, but we also need veterans that can play.
I agree, which is why I said I'd spend money on a top wideout. Which Cooper absolutely is.
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If they're releasing Cooper, i'm sure it's only a matter of time before they franchise tag Schultz. Draft a TE or bust for us.
I want us to draft a true tight like Dulcich, McBride, Woods, Ruckert, or Otton and then a swiss army knife type like Chig Okonkwo too.
Guys that can block but win in the play action game are huge in this scheme.
No more Wesco at fullback.
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I agree, which is why I said I'd spend money on a top wideout. Which Cooper absolutely is.
I'm with you. We know what Amari Cooper is. The guys in the draft look good on paper and have some nice tape, but sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Cooper is proven. Wilson needs proven help.
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I'm with you. We know what Amari Cooper is. The guys in the draft look good on paper and have some nice tape, but sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Cooper is proven. Wilson needs proven help.
Stop agreeing with me you freak
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Stop agreeing with me you freak
Reacher is just CW's version of Banshee
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Reacher is just CW's version of Banshee
Still not disagreeing
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I'm thinking I don't want to spend money on a FA WR this year. The draft is loaded with them and we have lots of picks.
Prediction: we pass on all the good FA and round 1 WRs, take Pickens in the 2nd, and by August he gets shot by an NJ state trooper for menacingly brandishing a water bottle.
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I'd absolutely spend money on a top wideout in FA. Fix things in FA that can be fixed.
Yeah. In general fix anything however you can as soon as you can. We're beggars, not choosers right now.
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Prediction: we pass on all the good FA and round 1 WRs, take Pickens in the 2nd, and by August he gets shot by an NJ state trooper for attempting to pump his own gas.
FYP
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Amari Cooper about to be a free agent
Could either trade for him or enter the bidders market when he gets cut in the next 2 weeks.
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I will say, Cooper does stay healthy it seems.
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Patriots CB J.C. Jackson won't get the team's franchise tag and will be a free agent.
Jackson has been displeased with the Patriots' total lack of interest in retaining him for 2022 and beyond. He said in February that he would be open to playing under the $17 million franchise tag, but Rapoport said New England is more likely to let Jackson walk this spring. Pro Football Focus' seventh best cornerback in 2021, Jackson will surely see interest from many teams if he hits free agency.
lets goooo
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lets goooo
give him whatever he wants
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Amari Cooper about to be a free agent
Could either trade for him or enter the bidders market when he gets cut in the next 2 weeks.
Would be worth offering a 2nd and see what happens.
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give him whatever he wants
I could see Jackson choosing the Jets more so than Cooper, just so he could stick it to NWE twice a season.
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Belichick will give Jackson a stern look and he'll re-sign there.
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freak it, I don't know what I'm talking about. Pay both Cooper and Jackson, let's get this excrement rolling.
Ready for the Coooooooooooper chant in MetLife.
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Would be worth offering a 2nd and see what happens.
Rumor is the Cowboys are almost 100% cutting him, so unless there's a bidding war I could easily see his value being less than a 2nd.
Essentially its a chance for the Cowboys to chose his landing spot to keep him from going to a competitor, and it's probably the only way the Jets can force him to come here.
A win win for the Jets and Cowboys, though Cooper obviously loses out
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I could see Jackson choosing the Jets more so than Cooper, just so he could stick it to NWE twice a season.
Fortunately we have the option to just trade for him.
And considering the Cowboys have basically told the world they're cutting him, the price won't be unreasonable.
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I could see Jackson choosing the Jets more so than Cooper, just so he could stick it to NWE twice a season.
If Jackson's comments about it are sincere and not some sort of smokescreen/negotiation tactic then he may indeed want to shove it in NE's faces.
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Pretending cooper is cut… who’s more worth the $20 million a year? Cooper or Godwin?
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Pretending cooper is cut… who’s more worth the $20 million a year? Cooper or Godwin?
I still haven't forgiven Cooper for freaking up my fantasy team in 2017. I'm taking Godwin.
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Pretending cooper is cut… who’s more worth the $20 million a year? Cooper or Godwin?
Talentwise Cooper. I think I trust Godwin more, I can't escape the feeling that if he doesn't quite fit Cooper will just be a disaster.
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Talentwise Cooper. I think I trust Godwin more, I can't escape the feeling that if he doesn't quite fit Cooper will just be a disaster.
If i understand correctly Cooper has no guaranteed money left if we were to trade for him (at least none we'd be responsible for) and essentially would be a pay as you go, under contract for 3 more years
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If i understand correctly Cooper has no guaranteed money left if we were to trade for him (at least none we'd be responsible for) and essentially would be a pay as you go, under contract for 3 more years
Seems that way. Not a bad deal if you could get him for a lower pick. Worst case if he regresses, you overpaid one year and lost a pick.
Probably why Dallas putting this out there so early, to start a bidding war.
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If we could get him for a 4th or less it would be a phenomenal move.
A 3rd still solid. I wouldn't be thrilled with a 2nd but I could live with it
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If we could get him for a 4th or less it would be a phenomenal move.
A 3rd still solid. I wouldn't be thrilled with a 2nd but I could live with it
https://overthecap.com/player/amari-cooper/3852/
If on the roster on the 5th day of the 2022 league year another $20 million becomes fully guaranteed.
Not sure if that guarantee would spread over the rest of the contract or would be used up with the first year's salary. If spread out, it might make cutting him after one year tougher, although I don't think he's a high risk player.
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Cooper is exactly the kind of guy we should be looking for.
This is the offseason I hope Douglas makes more big splashes. Now you build the roster around Wilson and hope he can break out in the next year or 2 while he is cheap.
There seem to be a wide range of takes on the top picks right now so we should just fill whatever needs we can in FA and supplement in the draft.
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https://overthecap.com/player/amari-cooper/3852/
Not sure if that guarantee would spread over the rest of the contract or would be used up with the first year's salary. If spread out, it might make cutting him after one year tougher, although I don't think he's a high risk player.
I don't know how they do their metrics, but it would make sense for the dead cap numbers in 2023 and 2024 to reflect this if that were the case.
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Cooper's contract makes trading for him pretty untenable. When he's released, we should absolutely pursue him aggressively.
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Cooper's contract makes trading him pretty untenable.
How so?
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How so?
His $20M salary becomes guaranteed on the 20th.
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He's got $20M due on March 20th.
It just means his 20 mil injury guarantee becomes fully guaranteed. I don't think they would owe him an extra 20 mil.
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It just means his 20 mil injury guarantee becomes fully guaranteed. I don't think they would owe him an extra 20 mil.
Whoever trades for him would owe him that money. The expectation is that the Cowboys are going to release him before that money becomes fully guaranteed. Teams aren't going to want to take on that salary when they know they can just wait for the Cowboys to release him and then pay him less.
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Whoever trades for him would owe him that money. The expectation is that the Cowboys are going to release him before that money becomes fully guaranteed. Teams aren't going to want to take on that salary when they know they can just wait for the Cowboys to release him and then pay him less.
True. I expect he does get released. I have no idea what his market price will be, but I sure as excrement hope we are in on the bidding
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I would be fine trading for him if he agreed to a paycut but I don't think he will.
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Whoever trades for him would owe him that money. The expectation is that the Cowboys are going to release him before that money becomes fully guaranteed. Teams aren't going to want to take on that salary when they know they can just wait for the Cowboys to release him and then pay him less.
You think he's getting less?
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True. I expect he does get released. I have no idea what his market price will be, but I sure as excrement hope we are in on the bidding
More than $20M/yr
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You think he's getting less?
In guaranteed money, yes, but I'm mostly just reporting what I'm hearing.
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Cooper is not viewed as a bona fide #1 receiver anymore. If he was, the Cowboys wouldn't be looking to get rid of him and they certainly wouldn't be struggling to drum up trade interest for him.
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More than $20M/yr
If this ends up being true why would no one be willing to take on his contract for 5th or 6th round pick?
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Trading for him and his contract as is doesn't seem worse than bidding for him on an open market.
He has a $22M/yr cap hit through 2024, which is the last year of his contract. At the upcoming deadline of 3/20/22, his 2022 salary becomes fully guaranteed. In 2023 he'll have a whopping $4M left in guaranteed money. In 2024 that goes down to $2M. He automatically would be the best WR on our team unless Moore is taking a huge leap. Davante Adams is the only FA WR who's unquestionably better than him, and he's gonna get a lot more money and probably isn't coming here anyway.
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If this ends up being true why would no one be willing to take on his contract for 5th or 6th round pick?
Who says no one is?
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Who says no one is?
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1499807744819437577?s=21
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I don't know why teams wouldn't be willing to trade a mid- to late-round pick for him unless they don't feel he's worth his contact.
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I like Cooper but he's always been a bit boom or bust and he has a reputation for disappearing in big games.
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If we're going to trade for a receiver, I'd much rather it be for Ridley.
Speaking of...
https://twitter.com/calvinridley1/status/1499917861497802760?s=21
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If we're going to trade for a receiver, I'd much rather it be for Ridley.
Speaking of...
https://twitter.com/calvinridley1/status/1499917861497802760?s=21
I feel this way also but I can't justify it based upon sharing your view of Cooper being boom or bust, because Ridley is definitely that also. I think I just like Ridley's game better, he's so smooth to watch.
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My preference has been drafting a receiver in the 1st but no matter which way we go there's going to be some risk. If the concerns surrounding Ridley's mental health/commitment to the game are reasonably assuaged, trading for him would become my preferred option.
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If we are trading for a WR cooks is the guy to get in my eyes. But if all we are giving up is $$$ then cooper and Godwin have to be serious considerations for us
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https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1499799659690266627?s=20&t=XamCaEZKHtDJ7QH-ywkUpw
Charles Robinson @CharlesRobinson
1. #NFL teams know Cooper is available for trade. Some have known it for a week. Until now, there hasn’t been any interest in his salary point, regardless of having to surrender something in trade. There are too many quality wideouts available and too many coming into the league.
Charles Robinson @CharlesRobinson
5. Could a Cooper trade still happen? With his $20 million number in 2022, there isn’t huge interest. Teams see a plethora of draftable rookies or other vets as much cheaper options. One wideout starved team said last night they had zero interest in Cooper at his price point.
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https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1499799659690266627?s=20&t=XamCaEZKHtDJ7QH-ywkUpw
So the question again is what’s his market rate? $16 million? $13 million? $18 million?
Have to think we will be at/near the top of the list of teams after him.
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JC Jackson
Marcus Williams
Carlton Davis
Foye Oluokun
Kyzir White
We need a couple of these guys.
If Ogbah gets away from Miami, he'd be an interesting target.
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Baltimore FB Patrick Ricard might hit the market and he wants a bigger role in the passing game.
6'3 311 H-Back
Put him in the Juice role
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ESPN's Dan Graziano is saying the Jets are interested in Bucs' C Ryan Jensen.
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ESPN's Dan Graziano is saying the Jets are interested in Bucs' C Ryan Jensen.
This has been percolating the last couple days. Sounds like we might cut McGovern if we're able to sign Jensen.
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This has been percolating the last couple days. Sounds like we might cut McGovern if we're able to sign Jensen.
this would be an upgrade....Jensen has started every game since 2017. #durabie
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Whatever it takes to pass on Linderbaum.
I don't really get the need to upgrade center because we're find there, but I trust Douglas when it comes to OL.
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Jensen's the center we should have signed in 2018 instead of Spencer Long. #ThanksMaccagnan
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We could use a guy like Jensen. Our OL was too soft last season. Wilson would get hit late all the time, and the OL never did anything about it. Maybe AVT becomes that guy as he gets older, or maybe Becton, but we could really use a dick on that line.
I don't see why we would then need to cut McGovern though.
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We could use a guy like Jensen. Our OL was too soft last season. Wilson would get hit late all the time, and the OL never did anything about it. Maybe AVT becomes that guy as he gets older, or maybe Becton, but we could really use a dick on that line.
I don't see why we would then need to cut McGovern though.
Because we can't pay McGovern $10 million this year to do anything other than start.
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Maybe Big Doug can give McGovern the Crowder treatment this offaeason and get his salary down.
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ESPN's Dan Graziano is saying the Jets are interested in Bucs' C Ryan Jensen.
Get ready to be frustrated by unnecessary roughness calls from our OLine. He might not give up a lot of sacks but he will definitely put Zach in some awful positions.
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Because we can't pay McGovern $10 million this year to do anything other than start.
You could play him at guard if LDT doesn't come back.
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You could play him at guard if LDT doesn't come back.
Where will Dan Feeney play when he signs back?
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ESPN's Dan Graziano is saying the Jets are interested in Bucs' C Ryan Jensen.
This just seems so surprising to me. It’s not like this makes us younger or drastically better. I also doubt it allows us to actually save money at the position. Seems to be a lateral move that actually makes us older.
We need an OL move for sure, but not sure this is the one we need to make
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This just seems so surprising to me. It’s not like this makes us younger or drastically better. I also doubt it allows us to actually save money at the position. Seems to be a lateral move that actually makes us older.
We need an OL move for sure, but not sure this is the one we need to make
Our OL can't stay healthy...Jensen hasn't missed a game in 5 seasons
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NFL’s 2022 salary cap will be $208.2 million.
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This just seems so surprising to me. It’s not like this makes us younger or drastically better. I also doubt it allows us to actually save money at the position. Seems to be a lateral move that actually makes us older.
We need an OL move for sure, but not sure this is the one we need to make
You don't think that a Super Bowl champion center who played two seasons in front of Tom Brady is probably a better player than a guy who only got a job as a starting center in the NFL because the one we actually wanted couldn't stay healthy in Denver?
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You could play him at guard if LDT doesn't come back.
Exactly this.
Granted, if they opt to replace McGovern with Jensen and then add another IOL in the draft, that's fine, too. But McGovern seems like a fine guy to keep at his price.
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You don't think that a Super Bowl champion center who played two seasons in front of Tom Brady is probably a better player than a guy who only got a job as a starting center in the NFL because the one we actually wanted couldn't stay healthy in Denver?
In and of itself, just because Jensen snapped to Brady does not make him better than McGovern.
Jensen being better than McGovern does. But is going from the 15th best center to the 9th or 10th best center make sense? We passed on the chance to even get in the bidding for Linsley last year who is a far superior player to both McGovern and Jensen.
The Jensen has been more healthy than McGovern does carry weight. But how long do we expect a 32 year old center to continue to play at a high level and stay healthy? I really don’t know. If we decide to make the move, I hope it’s not a long term commitment and we can reasonably get out after a year but can essentially make years 2 and 3 option years
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I think some of us may be conflating "interest" with "identifying as a priority signing" here.
I'd expect Douglas to be interested in just about any starter that can play a full season after the last two years, to what degree that interest takes os probably going to depend on a few factors.
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I think some of us may be conflating "interest" with "identifying as a priority signing" here.
I'm shitting and pissing because the Jets are possibly considering things that aren't my favorite.
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Now that Schultz is tagged, let's take a look at the top tight ends available in free agency:
CJ Uzomah
Zach Ertz
Tyler Conklin
Gerald Everett
Robert Tonyan
These are probably the realistic options for us. Tonyan is a scheme fit. Ertz has the Philly connection and can hold the fort while a rookie learns the ropes.
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Now that Schultz is tagged, let's take a look at the top tight ends available in free agency:
CJ Uzomah
Zach Ertz
Tyler Conklin
Gerald Everett
Robert Tonyan
These are probably the realistic options for us. Tonyan is a scheme fit. Ertz has the Philly connection and can hold the fort while a rookie learns the ropes.
Bobby Tonyan would be a nice addition.
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The Funyan
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The Funyan
Bismo Funyan?
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Bismo Funyan?
No, Bismo Tonyan
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I want Tyler Conklin
Joe, please don't mess this up
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No, Bismo Tonyan
sign this legend
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Now that Schultz is tagged, let's take a look at the top tight ends available in free agency:
CJ Uzomah
Zach Ertz
Tyler Conklin
Gerald Everett
Robert Tonyan
These are probably the realistic options for us. Tonyan is a scheme fit. Ertz has the Philly connection and can hold the fort while a rookie learns the ropes.
Maxx Williams was floated out by Connor Rogers a few times. I liked him coming out of Minnesota and he showed some flashes in Arizona.
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I want Tyler Conklin
Joe, please don't mess this up
Seconded.
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Maxx Williams was floated out by Connor Rogers a few times. I liked him coming out of Minnesota and he showed some flashes in Arizona.
I'd rather have Tyler Kroft. Same production, less ginger.
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I'd rather have Tyler Kroft. Same production, less ginger.
Why does it have to be either or? We should bring back Kraft and draft someone and sign more competition.
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Why tf would you bring back Tyler Kroft. Just build a dummy out of popsicle sticks and Elmer's glue and put that on IR instead.
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Why tf would you bring back Tyler Kroft. Just build a dummy out of popsicle sticks and Elmer's glue and put that on IR instead.
I don’t want to bring back Kroft. But Kroft is better than Maxx Williams.
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I don’t want to bring back Kroft. But Kroft is better than Maxx Williams.
But tyler kraft has zero "X"'s in his name...
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Sign Maxx Williams and draft Skyy Moore.
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Sign Maxx Williams and draft Skyy Moore.
and then bring back Jacquizz Rodgers
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Not on the level of Wilson/Rodgers QB news, but the #Jets are in talks with Joe Flacco, who will be a free agent. There’s mutual interest. Saleh wants to run it back with Wilson-Flacco-White (must receive RFA tender).
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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55m
Not on the level of Wilson/Rodgers QB news, but the #Jets are in talks with Joe Flacco, who will be a free agent. There’s mutual interest. Saleh wants to run it back with Wilson-Flacco-White (must receive RFA tender).
Lock him up. 10 year deal.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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55m
Not on the level of Wilson/Rodgers QB news, but the #Jets are in talks with Joe Flacco, who will be a free agent. There’s mutual interest. Saleh wants to run it back with Wilson-Flacco-White (must receive RFA tender).
Continuity makes sense, and it seems Flacco might have got his head round the idea that he's not an NFL starter any more. Zach seems to like him which is important, and there's a lot of prime Flacco's game that I'd like to see Zach adopt (namely his pocket awareness and his ability and willingness to use his howitzer of an arm).
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Lock him up. 10 year deal.
Haha, coincidentally I was just thinking last night that getting White and Flacco back in the QB room with Wilson would be for the best, as JE indicated.
Zach being in the same OC system is already such an advantage, let's add to the comfort and continuity if possible.
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Are we going to release anyone?
Sheldon Rankins and Connor McGovern are the names to watch.
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Some interesting names at linebacker shaking loose. Still want Oluokun but the denser the market, the better.
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Just saw us linked to LAC LB/DE Uchenna Nwosu.
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Are we going to release anyone?
Sheldon Rankins and Connor McGovern are the names to watch.
I don't think either have guarantees that trigger at the start of the league year. I bet we hold them until we sign their replacements, assuming we want to do that. Then chop them.
I will say Ryan Griffin and GVR are also names on the potential cuts list.
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I don't think either have guarantees that trigger at the start of the league year. I bet we hold them until we sign their replacements, assuming we want to do that. Then chop them.
I will say Ryan Griffin and GVR are also names on the potential cuts list.
GVR should be a guarantee.
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Metcalf could be Brandon Marshall all over again. If it's remotely reasonable, doo iittt.
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https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1501360060106162176?t=ySw9DtKQTZ3-Q-A47KiAHA&s=19
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Metcalf could be Brandon Marshall all over again. If it's remotely reasonable, doo iittt.
except much younger (and way more expensive)
DK is most definitely worth acquiring
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Metcalf could be Brandon Marshall all over again. If it's remotely reasonable, doo iittt.
Yeah you're not getting him for a 5th, which was undoubtedly Maccagnan's best move.
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https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1501360060106162176?t=ySw9DtKQTZ3-Q-A47KiAHA&s=19
This feels like a win for us
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Foley Fats did all right for us. If there's a player that Saleh thinks is a better fit then fine. I have no strong feelings on the topic.
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Foley Fats did all right for us. If there's a player that Saleh thinks is a better fit then fine. I have no strong feelings on the topic.
Not in 2021. He’s a horrible scheme fit and our run defense stunk.
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I don't think either have guarantees that trigger at the start of the league year. I bet we hold them until we sign their replacements, assuming we want to do that. Then chop them.
I will say Ryan Griffin and GVR are also names on the potential cuts list.
I would like Ryan Griffin to stay cut this time.
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We can send Justin Hardee on his merry. I see no reason to pay him $2 million next season other than because he was voted a captain.
$0 dead money.
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Metcalf could be Brandon Marshall all over again. If it's remotely reasonable, doo iittt.
He's on the last year of his rookie deal, with the 5th year option. No way we can give up a premium pick for him w/o signing him to a long term deal.
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He's on the last year of his rookie deal, with the 5th year option. No way we can give up a premium pick for him w/o signing him to a long term deal.
Ok
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if we traded for him it it would likely be on an accepted premise that we would be resigning him
i would totally trade #10 back to the seahawks for DK
imagine being able to state that you spun jamal adams into AVT and DK
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Detroit is releasing Trey Flowers
That's a discount deal I'd be happy about
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Detroit is releasing Trey Flowers
That's a discount deal I'd be happy about
Can’t be worse than the last LB we got from them.
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Can’t be worse than the last LB we got from them.
he's just as injured unfortunately
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Detroit is releasing Trey Flowers
That's a discount deal I'd be happy about
Should have signed with us years ago.
Does he fit what we do now? Regardless I don’t see us signing an edge for more than what Curry got last year. An interior guy? Sure.
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One of my kids floated this idea today. Curious what the at large group thinks…
Scenario A
Jets Get Dk Metcalf
Jets Give #10 overall
Scenario B
Jets Get DK Metcalf, #9 overall
Jets give #4 overall, #35 overall
In scenario A DK is equated as 1350 points of value or pick 10.
In scenario B DK is equated as 1000 points of value or pick 14
The question is which scenario would you rather for the jets. Sure the value is “better” in option B, but you lose out on the elite pass rushers and you give up a great selection opportunity at 35. Interesting debate.
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One of my kids floated this idea today. Curious what the at large group thinks…
Scenario A
Jets Get Dk Metcalf
Jets Give #10 overall
Scenario B
Jets Get DK Metcalf, #9 overall
Jets give #4 overall, #35 overall
In scenario A DK is equated as 1350 points of value or pick 10.
In scenario B DK is equated as 1000 points of value or pick 14
The question is which scenario would you rather for the jets. Sure the value is “better” in option B, but you lose out on the elite pass rushers and you give up a great selection opportunity at 35. Interesting debate.
When's the trade being made? B is more appealing if it's on draft night and our top 2 rushers are gone anyway.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1502286227424395265?t=ibcIIgGV9lj6Smuf_SFYHw&s=19
I'm bored so you get ustadium.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1502286227424395265?t=ibcIIgGV9lj6Smuf_SFYHw&s=19
I'm bored so you get ustadium.
I don't trust it for a second but I'd still be happy to see Honey Badger in Green and White.
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When's the trade being made? B is more appealing if it's on draft night and our top 2 rushers are gone anyway.
For arguments sake before FA starts. You haven’t been able to make any other moves yet. But you can lock in Metcalf for one of those two deals. What option are you taking?
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There is no shot the Seahawks use DK Metcalf as a trade chip to move up from 9 to 4. No shot.
10 for Metcalf is a little rich, too. We could maybe work around something with that, but we will have to pay Metcalf a lot of money quickly in addition to the draft capital.
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10 for Metcalf is a little rich, too. We could maybe work around something with that, but we will have to pay Metcalf a lot of money quickly in addition to the draft capital.
Can you land a better receiver at 10 though?
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I'd want a good medical to make sure the foot thing isn't something that's going to keep popping up but other than that, 10 for Metcalf is a no-brainer.
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I'd want a good medical to make sure the foot thing isn't something that's going to keep popping up but other than that, 10 for Metcalf is a no-brainer.
I think so too. He'd be so good for us.
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BUT YOU HAVE TO SIGN HIM TO AN EXTENSION
Yeah, he's worth every goddamn cent if it helps Zach Wilson
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BUT YOU HAVE TO SIGN HIM TO AN EXTENSION
Yeah, he's worth every goddamn cent if it helps Zach Wilson
I'm more concerned about him being a head case. Everytime I watched a game he seemed to be yelling at his teammates.
I've also never seen him clap so...
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So now the talk is that a 3rd round pick will be enough to trade for Cooper.
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So now the talk is that a 3rd round pick will be enough to trade for Cooper.
Doug:
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I'm more concerned about him being a head case. Everytime I watched a game he seemed to be yelling at his teammates.
I've also never seen him clap so...
A 27 year old with 46 career receiving TDs and four 1000 yard seasons has a place on the New York Jets, crazy or not.
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A 27 year old with 46 career receiving TDs and four 1000 yard seasons has a place on the New York Jets, crazy or not.
If we had a WR do that, we would unquestionably be calling him a HOF player and demanding 3 first rounders for the guy if we were to trade him. So yeah that dude is someone JD needs to just go and get
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Yeah freak Metcalf for trying to motivate his teammates while he's on the sideline.
But it looked like he was yelling and it might have hurt their feelings 1!1!1!1!!!!!111!1!2!2!2
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I'm more concerned about him being a head case. Everytime I watched a game he seemed to be yelling at his teammates.
I've also never seen him clap so...
[Kollmann] In case y’all haven’t noticed, there has been alarming trend of former Seahawks greats that left the organization on bad terms over the last five years. At some point fans should start to look at and demand change with team leadership rather than the players.
Food for thought. The organization hasn't been coached or managed well in years.
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I can't imagine having to catch passes from a nerd that runs imaginary huddles during pre-game.
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I can't imagine having to catch passes from a nerd that runs imaginary huddles during pre-game.
*Percy Harvin and Golden Tate have joined the chat*
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So what do we think our first big offseason move will be? I'll go with signing Marcus Williams.
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So what do we think our first big offseason move will be? I'll go with signing Marcus Williams.
I’d wager he takes 2 days to sign. But I do expect us to offer him the best deal and he chooses us eventually
I think it will be a G, I know people want Daniela but I expect it to be Laken Tomlinson. I also anticipate we ID a TE quickly from this meh crop and go after him early.
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I think we'll go after interior offensive linemen and tight ends early. I just don't anticipate any big signings there.
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Are we just picking the player we want to disappoint us most?
Btw, I say we get a few mins level free agents, no blockbuster names.
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I think we'll go after interior offensive linemen and tight ends early. I just don't anticipate any big signings there.
What tight ends that would actually be upgrades are still avaialbe?
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What tight ends that would actually be upgrades are still avaialbe?
Our tight ends are complete excrement so... all of them?
Here are 5 off the top of my head:
Ertz
Everett
Engram
Howard
Uzomah
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IG: JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
I'm told the #Cowboys are currently working on trading WR Amari Cooper to the #Browns, per league sources. Unofficial at this time.
Bleh
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Not sure how sensible that move is for the Browns when they should be looking for a quarterback.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Cowboys are finalizing a trade to send WR Amari Cooper and a sixth-round pick to the Cleveland Browns for a 2022 fifth-round pick and a sixth-round pick, per league sources.
Just goes to show how little interest there was in Cooper at his contract.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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2m
Trade is now officially agreed to, per source: Browns get WR Amari Cooper and a 6th, Cowboys get a 5th and 6th.
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We're drafting a receiver early
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$20M per season through 2024 is rough
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$20M per season through 2024 is rough
Jets Twitter is acting like we just passed up the deal of a lifetime, as you'd expect.
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We'll probably sign a mid-range receiver that can start with Davis and Moore in the short-term (if necessary) and then draft a receiver in the 1st.
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Also, we already have one overpaid receiver (relative to production thus far) in Davis. We can scarcely afford two.
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I will criticize the move after seeing what we do/don't do in FA. Like Heis said, he is currently paid a lot of money (6th most of any WR). Still want to see some movement to get excited about. I still have patience
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Jets Twitter is acting like we just passed up the deal of a lifetime, as you'd expect.
They are an infuriating group of people
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Trading for him cuts our cap space in half two days before free agency starts.
It’s not like Cleveland gave up a late rounder and he restructured. They are on the hook for $60M. I see the $0 dead money in 2023 but do you really want to acquire a dude and then release him after one season?
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Not sure how sensible that move is for the Browns when they should be looking for a quarterback.
Apparently they're in on Watson
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Apparently they're in on Watson
Yeah, I'm now thinking this move was in part designed to make them more attractive to Watson.
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Watson better get traded to the NFC. Tampa, Carolina, Seattle, Minnesota, and New Orleans should all be in on him.
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People on Twitter suggesting that cap space isn't a justification for not trading for Cooper when that's why he's being traded away in the first place is priceless.
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Watson would add another $14M to their cap spending assuming Mayfield is going the other way.
It would be funny watching that turd have to go play in Houston though. I can taste his salty tears already.
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People on Twitter suggesting that cap space isn't a justification for not trading for Cooper when that's why he's being traded away in the first place is priceless.
It’s hilarious
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https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1502737651585196035?s=21
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It’s not like Cleveland gave up a late rounder and he restructured. They are on the hook for $60M. I see the $0 dead money in 2023 but do you really want to acquire a dude and then release him after one season?
I would argue that is exactly the appeal of a trade like this for Cleveland.
You don't want to cut him after one year, but that option is available to you if it doesn't work out. Most big ticket items don't provide that luxury. In exchange for the flexibility, they pay him a little more than he is worth and give up a late pick.
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Saw it suggested that we'd be interested in Landry. Don't see how that makes sense when Davis and Moore should both be seeing plenty of snaps in the slot and we're already trying to resign Berrios.
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We need receivers that can dominate on the perimeter.
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I would argue that is exactly the appeal of a trade like this for Cleveland.
You don't want to cut him after one year, but that option is available to you if it doesn't work out. Most big ticket items don't provide that luxury. In exchange for the flexibility, they pay him a little more than he is worth and give up a late pick.
Cleveland is one bad Baker Mayfield season away from having to blow it up again. They are doing everything they can to make it work short term.
We are the not in the same situation as Cleveland.
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Saw it suggested that we'd be interested in Landry. Don't see how that makes sense when Davis and Moore should both be seeing plenty of snaps in the slot and we're already trying to resign Berrios.
Landry gets open and catches everything. Corey Davis can stay outside and eventually lose his job to whatever receiver we take at #10.
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I will criticize the move after seeing what we do/don't do in FA. Like Heis said, he is currently paid a lot of money (6th most of any WR). Still want to see some movement to get excited about. I still have patience
You still have patience? Only 4 teams have made moves this far because FA hasn’t even started yet. We all better have patience at this point
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Landry gets open and catches everything. Corey Davis can stay outside and eventually lose his job to whatever receiver we take at #10.
I also fail to see why having 3 guys who can rotate inside and out and each wins in lots of ways in the slot. Is that the preferred plan? No. But it’s never a bad thing to keep getting guys in here who can get open.
Also if Landry comes in, Berrios is absolutely allowed to walk unless he wants to take Vet Minimum to be WR 5
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Landry gets open and catches everything. Corey Davis can stay outside and eventually lose his job to whatever receiver we take at #10.
Who is trading for Landtry at $15 million for 1 year? I think he gets cut and then signed.
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Landry gets open and catches everything. Corey Davis can stay outside and eventually lose his job to whatever receiver we take at #10.
Landry hasn't been good recently and he's exclusively a slot receiver so signing him would limit our ability to move our receivers around which is something LaFleur has shown he likes to do.
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Remember how much our receivers being able to play every position was emphasized last training camp.
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DJ Bien-Aime
@Djbienaime
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33s
Jarvis Landry’s Camp isn’t interested in going to the Jets.
Now we can stop talking about Landry coming here
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Now we can stop talking about Landry coming here
Good
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Now we can stop talking about Landry coming here
This is probably correct but not because Bean said it.
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Landry has averaged 12 yards or less per reception almost every season of his career. He's really not good.
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This is probably correct but not because Bean said it.
keeping it a bean is all we have.....so embrace it
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Landry has averaged 12 yards or less per reception almost every season of his career. He's really not good.
this...Landry is a bum
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In his prime, he was a good chain mover but that was it. We should be setting our sights higher.
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We should be setting our sights higher.
I trust Joe Douglas is doing just that.
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Landry has averaged 12 yards or less per reception almost every season of his career. He's really not good.
I don't know why that's the measuring stick for a player like Landry. He's been used as an underneath check down option his entire career.
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Wes Welker and Julian Edelman both averaged 11 yards per catch for their careers. It's not a friendly stat for high volume slots.
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I wouldn't want to pay Jarvis Landry $14M, but he's a valuable player for a young quarterback. He gets open, plays his derriere off, and catches everything. The Jets need veteran players too.
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I wouldn't want to pay Jarvis Landry $14M, but he's a valuable player for a young quarterback. He gets open, plays his derriere off, and catches everything. The Jets need veteran players too.
it's a moot point, he's not coming here according to the Bean
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Landry hasn't been good recently
The same thing was said about Beckham. The QB is the problem in Cleveland.
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it's a moot point, he's not coming here according to the Bean
But now I want to know why a volume slot receiver's YPC matters?
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When all your catches are within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage, your YPC is going to be low. Using solely YPC to call him a bum is pretty dumb.
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Cleveland is one bad Baker Mayfield season away from having to blow it up again. They are doing everything they can to make it work short term.
We are the not in the same situation as Cleveland.
I agree. And that is part of why that contract flexibility is so nice for them. If you signed a guy like that in FA, you might have a slightly lower AAV, but you can't get off the deal if it backfires.
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When all your catches are within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage, your YPC is going to be low. Using solely YPC to call him a bum is pretty dumb.
Umm...I called him a bum because he's bum. I didn't say anything about YPC.
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Umm...I called him a bum because he's bum. I didn't say anything about YPC.
You literally quoted a post that called him not good because of his YPC and said, "This."
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Umm...I called him a bum because he's bum. I didn't say anything about YPC.
That was clearly directed at me. I said he was a good chain mover in his prime but never more than that. We need more than that.
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Kirk and Robinson seem like the 2 best FA targets. I dont mind Landry as a Berrios replacement but I might just prefer to keep continuity with Berrios.
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My preference is adding Allen Robinson, retaining Braxton Berrios, and drafting top prospects at WR, TE, and potentially RB.
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My preference is adding Allen Robinson, retaining Braxton Berrios, and drafting top prospects at WR, TE, and potentially RB.
This is a plan I like.
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AR15
Davis
Moore
G. Wilson
Berrios
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Robinson makes sense due to our outstanding track record with talented but underperforming veteran receivers from the Bears.
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MVS is an intriguing fallback option at WR.
Vertical threat that played well in the same scheme.
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AR15
Davis
Moore
G. WilsonJameson Williams (trade down from 10 to the late teens)
Berrios
FYP
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https://twitter.com/davidsaleh/status/1502795410733256709?s=21
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https://twitter.com/davidsaleh/status/1502795410733256709?s=21
I'm reserving judgement until I hear the views of JD's mom.
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You literally quoted a post that called him not good because of his YPC and said, "This."
Yeah..."this" pertaining to him being not good.
reading is hard.
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I’m definitely okay with not trading for Cooper. That contract would limit everything this team can do in FA. Cooper also strikes me as a receiver that won’t age well- pretty stiff and often banged up.
Once Ridley got suspended and Godwin got tagged, it seems a WR at 10 is by far the best move, with possibly adding a FA like Chark or MVS.
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Yeah..."this" pertaining to him being not good.
reading is hard.
It's OK, you'll figure it out eventually.
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It's OK, you'll figure it out eventually.
How's Call Me Kat?
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I guess we can pull for getting A Rob. Until he signs with some team worse than us.
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I guess we can pull for getting A Rob. Until he signs with some team worse than us.
I'm not sure we're going after a high-end WR in FA. I think that position will be addressed in the draft.
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I'm not sure we're going after a high-end WR in FA. I think that position will be addressed in the draft.
A-Rob is pretty clearly the only high-end FA remaining, unless you also count C.Kirk and OBJ or JuJu i guess.
I'm thinking we address WR at 35/38, since that's where the depth/value is. If we fail to sign A-Rob I suppose I'd be fine with a GWilson or London at 10, if the FO has deemed them the best WR1 candidates.
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I don’t even know if Robinson is high end anymore though…
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I don’t even know if Robinson is high end anymore though…
this is a concern too.
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this is a concern too.
I’d love to sign him. I just don’t think it should stop us from drafting a WR with a premium pick.
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A-Rob is pretty clearly the only high-end FA remaining, unless you also count C.Kirk and OBJ or JuJu i guess.
I'm thinking we address WR at 35/38, since that's where the depth/value is. If we fail to sign A-Rob I suppose I'd be fine with a GWilson or London at 10, if the FO has deemed them the best WR1 candidates.
Kirk signed a new deal I think.
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Kirk signed a new deal I think.
He didn’t. He’s a free agent. Rumored to go to the Bills.
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I’d love to sign him. I just don’t think it should stop us from drafting a WR with a premium pick.
Agree, Robinson plus a Watson/Pickens/Dotson would be optimal.
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He didn’t. He’s a free agent. Rumored to go to the Bills.
freak that noise
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I’d love to sign him. I just don’t think it should stop us from drafting a WR with a premium pick.
I’m firmly in the camp of “do both” when it comes to signing a FA and drafting in the second round.
Hell I’d sign Robinson, bring back Berrios and then still draft a guy in the second round.
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https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1503107749512728590?t=P_9LFNNxL26M5Zqxh2gtJA&s=19
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https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1503107749512728590?t=P_9LFNNxL26M5Zqxh2gtJA&s=19
Matt Miller and Tony Pauline are in the same tard tier.
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Matt Miller and Tony Pauline are in the same tard tier.
MB is the Tony Pauline of TJO
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Looks like things and stuff are yes.
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MB is the Tony Pauline of TJO
sometimes
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Rap suggested we'll be in on Robinson, along with the Lions, Raiders, and possibly Browns. Always great company.
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If that's our competition and we are serious about acquiring him, I like our chances.
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Cardinals just re-signed Ertz so another one bites the dust.
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Cardinals just re-signed Ertz so another one bites the dust.
He’s not a guy we wanted for the money he was gonna get (don’t know what he actually got though…)
I expect us to be on Max Williams, Tonyan, Uzamaoh and Mo Allie Cox. I would not be shocked to see us sign 2 guys and look to draft a 3rd here
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He’s not a guy we wanted for the money he was gonna get (don’t know what he actually got though…)
I expect us to be on Max Williams, Tonyan, Uzamaoh and Mo Allie Cox. I would not be shocked to see us sign 2 guys and look to draft a 3rd here
Go get Bismo Funyan
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Good bye Ryan Jensen.
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Good bye Ryan Jensen.
We really don’t need to make a change at center.
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We really don’t need to make a change at center.
We need interior OL help, and we've been linked to a number of IOL including Jensen.
McGovern can shift to guard if necessary. I liked the idea of Jensen giving us an poopchute in the middle of the OL. We don't have that guy now. Last year, Wilson would get hit, and we never defended our QB.
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1503132737183567875?s=21
Jets will be involved in S, IOL, IDL, TE, CB, WR markets. They will pursue Laken Tomlinson, Marcus Williams, DJ Jones, BJ Hill, C. J. Uzomah & others.
They won’t pay more than what they believe they’re worth, tho. Those players will play elsewhere if another team does.
So basically we will be after everyone. Excellent. ::)
Those would be my top targets as well at basically all the positions he listed. Curiously he did list WR as a position to target but doesn’t mention a specific WR by name. I wonder what direction we go there considering it’s basically been picked down already.
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1503132737183567875?s=21
So basically we will be after everyone. Excellent. ::)
Those would be my top targets as well at basically all the positions he listed. Curiously he did list WR as a position to target but doesn’t mention a specific WR by name. I wonder what direction we go there considering it’s basically been picked down already.
We will be after everyone unless they actually want to be paid their market value.
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FB Nick Bawden re-signed
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Connor Hughes says we're not interested in JC Jackson or Allen Robinson
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FB Nick Bawden re-signed
I’m sure most of these deals we’ve signed so far are voidable/no guaranteed but we want to have depth guys in these spots to be safe/sure
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Connor Hughes says we're not interested in JC Jackson or Allen Robinson
I’m not surprised. Robinson won’t come here, he wants a big time QB. JC Jackson is apparently an poopchute of epic proportions if Bellicheck doesn’t want to try and resign him. Given the premium we place on character it makes sense to me why we wouldn’t be in on him.
I think we go hard after Williams, and that’s our “big ticket” plan on defense and a G is our big ticket plan on offense
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FB Nick Bawden re-signed
he's the key
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Connor Hughes says we're not interested in JC Jackson or Allen Robinson
Now i'm really stoked....Hughes is a hack
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Now i'm really stoked....Hughes is a hack
Most of these guys aren't dead wrong usually. Probably right. We'll get some mid-grade dudes and find a way to get pumped about it.
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Most of these guys aren't dead wrong usually. Probably right. We'll get some mid-grade dudes and find a way to get pumped about it.
they haven't been right about anything during the Joe Douglas era.
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How much of an poopchute do you have to be for Belichick to hate you?
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they haven't been right about anything during the Joe Douglas era.
Yes they have, it's just easier to notice when they are wrong. When was the last time they said "we aren't signing/drafting _____" and it was wrong?
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Positions I'm hoping we fix with free agency: Defense.
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Yes they have, it's just easier to notice when they are wrong. When was the last time they said "we aren't signing/drafting _____" and it was wrong?
Dude...Douglas hasn't leaked an iota of information out of his war room the entire time he's been here.
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Dude...Douglas hasn't leaked an iota of information out of his war room the entire time he's been here.
I agree, and we've also seen less of the absolutes from the beat guys since then. It's usually suggestions, so when I see absolutes I tend to believe it. It's not that they've been wrong, they just don't hear anything so there's less scoops.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1503341930175946753?t=7bFWIL9XC52Sp1zufrFqnA&s=19
I could certainly see safety be one of the first signings for us. I'd so much rather have a vet safety than another rookie.
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I agree, and we've also seen less of the absolutes from the beat guys since then. It's usually suggestions, so when I see absolutes I tend to believe it. It's not that they've been wrong, they just don't hear anything so there's less scoops.
we should be discussing this over a couple of beef n cheddars, you swine.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1503341930175946753?t=7bFWIL9XC52Sp1zufrFqnA&s=19
I could certainly see safety be one of the first signings for us. I'd so much rather have a vet safety than another rookie.
bring me Marcus Williams or the honey badger....so we can put the Kyle Hamilton horseshit to bed.
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bring me Marcus Williams or the honey badger....so we can put the Kyle Hamilton horseshit to bed.
Why not both? *ducks
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Why not both? *ducks
(https://i.imgflip.com/1w7nfc.jpg)
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we don't need to sign both....we signed Joyner last week.
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bring me Marcus Williams or the honey badger....so we can put the Kyle Hamilton horseshit to bed.
If we don't view Davis as the answer at FS we could see both.
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we don't need to sign both....we signed Joyner last week.
I was just kidding. Trying to make MB choke on his beef n cheddar.
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If we don't view Davis as the answer at FS we could see both.
We'd be lucky to get either. No way we go after or get both.
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Prediction Time: Who will be the first person we sign/resign today?
I am going with Flacco
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Prediction Time: Who will be the first person we sign/resign today?
I am going with Flacco
Good guess, though I bet he tests the market. He has a good market as a backup. He probably knows we'll take him back if he can't get a better deal and we'd probably be ok rolling with the legend Mike White as backup if he leaves, so we aren't rushing to get a backup QB.
I don't know how much he actually cares about playing. He might just be in cash-in mode.
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If we're guessing someone who wasn't here last year and ignoring scrub backup signings, I'll go with Marcus Williams.
Mathieu will go to a playoff ready team.
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If we're guessing someone who wasn't here last year and ignoring scrub backup signings, I'll go with Marcus Williams.
agreed
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We cannot let Dan Feeney reach free agency, under any circumstances. The fallout will be immense.
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We'd be lucky to get either. No way we go after or get both.
I meant a FA and a high value draft pick, not two FA signings.
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I'd like to see Eddy Pineiro signed back. If we aren't gonna find a big name kicker, go with the guy we've seen do well here.
I'm sure well sign Sam Ficken because he has dick pics of Joe Douglas.
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I'd like to see Eddy Pineiro signed back. If we aren't gonna find a big name kicker, go with the guy we've seen do well here.
I'm sure well sign Sam Ficken because he has dick pics of Joe Douglas.
I'd prefer to let Uncle Eddy go in FA....and sign Greg Zuerlein.
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I'd prefer to let Uncle Eddy go in FA....and sign Greg Zuerlein.
Zeuerlein's stats have fallen badly the last three years, he might not be much good any more. Under 80% success rate over that period.
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Zeuerlein's stats have fallen badly the last three years, he might not be much good any more. Under 80% success rate over that period.
change of scenery can do wonders. Folk wasn't great before he came to the Jets.
Pinero can't hit anything longer than 40 yards.
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change of scenery can do wonders. Folk wasn't great before he came to the Jets.
Pinero can't hit anything longer than 40 yards.
What proof do you have of that?
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What proof do you have of that?
i watched last season
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Pinero can't hit anything longer than 40 yards.
He went 3/3 from 40-49 yards and 1/1 from 50+
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Nick Folk was good before he became a Jet. He got hurt with the Cowboys and had a down year before coming to the Jets.
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He went 3/3 from 40-49 yards and 1/1 from 50+
That doesn't move the needle enough for me
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"He can't hit field goals longer than 40 yards."
*sees proof that he can and did hit long field goals*
"Yeah, but still!"
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"He can't hit field goals longer than 40 yards."
*sees proof that he can and did hit long field goals*
"Yeah, but still!"
It's not enough, guy.
Eddy was a scrap heap kicker last season...time for an upgrade
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Any decent PK we can target as an UDFA?
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The dude went 8/8. He at least deserves a shot to compete for the starting job.
"This kicker made all of his kicks, but it just wasn't enough. He's no Justin Tucker."
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*believes a change of scenery is enough to cause improvement*
*Rejects improvement from kicker who drastically benefited from a change of scenery*
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The dude went 8/8. He at least deserves a shot to compete for the starting job.
"This kicker made all of his kicks, but it just wasn't enough. He's no Justin Tucker."
a) let him compete
b) nobody mentioned Justin Tucker
c) the sample size is too small. You can make 8 kicks in practice too.
d) the K position has been a revolving door for the last few seasons....i know you're impressed with 8 kicks, but if you don't think we could upgrade, then i don't know what else to tell you.
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"This isn't good enough! I want someone who performed demonstrably worse!"
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"This isn't good enough! I want someone who performed demonstrably worse!"
are you retarded?
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are you retarded?
Is this really the best you have?
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i know you're impressed with 8 kicks,
He's a kicker and he did his job. He didn't miss a kick. We went from Ficken and Ammendola to a guy that went 8/8.
We did upgrade the position with Pinero.
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We did upgrade the position with Pinero.
We'll see. I still think we can do better.
If Pinero can continue his accuracy...then let's go.
I'm starting to wonder if this guy is a distant cousin of your in-laws or something. Such a staunch defense.
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Packers release Za'Darius Smith
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Is this really the best you have?
step off, dude.
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Packers also releasing OT Billy Turner
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Packers release Za'Darius Smith
We should sign him.
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Packers also releasing OT Billy Turner
We should not sign him
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Justin Hardee Sr.
@jhardee_19
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53m
If I link back up with another former Saint in NY it’s gone be lit 🔥
reel in Marcus Williams, JD.
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Packers release Za'Darius Smith
Oooooh. Now there's a target. Averaged 10+ sacks a season his last three years before missing pretty much all of 2021.
Should have signed him back in the Great Edge Rush of 2019, when everyone and their brother signed a decent pass rusher except for Mike Maccagnan.
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I don't know how credible Aaron Wilson is, but he reckons the Chiefs plan to release Frank Clark and replace him with Smith.
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step off, dude.
What? You made a poor argument and got excrement on it for it. Take the L that you worked so hard for.
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What? You made a poor argument and got excrement on it for it. Take the L that you worked so hard for.
I have no issue being wrong....but the dumbfuck retorts you can keep.
And it wasn't a poor argument, it was a difference of opinion.
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When was the last time we signed a FA pass rusher that was actually serviceable?
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When was the last time we signed a FA pass rusher that was actually serviceable?
your boi...Jason Taylor
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When was the last time we signed a FA pass rusher that was actually serviceable?
Calvin Pace, probably
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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6m
The #Jaguars, #Bengals & #Jets are the three teams who have shown the most interest in free-agent guard Brandon Scherff, sources tell @TheAthletic
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Scherff is not expected to return to Washington.
This guy can't stay healthy.
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This guy can't stay healthy.
risky
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Peter Schrager is saying the pass rushers and linemen are going to sign first today and then everything else will play out slowly.
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I have no issue being wrong....but the dumbfuck retorts you can keep.
And it wasn't a poor argument, it was a difference of opinion.
Did you forget what this board was?
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Peter Schrager is saying the pass rushers and linemen are going to sign first today and then everything else will play out slowly.
I'm hoping we take a hard look at James Daniels. Only 24 years old, plays Gord or C, and has started 48 of 54 games.
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Did you forget what this board was?
yeah yeah....i'm also cranky. freaking daylight savings time.
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This guy can't stay healthy.
JD has to determine how much 10 games a season of Pro-Bowl-level guard play is worth.
I'm guessing it wont be as much as Scherff is seeking.
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risky
I think we've taken enough of those risks over the last few years. Both Wilson and Darnold have been on the run for most of their drop-backs due to the OLine constantly switching around due to injury.
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yeah yeah....i'm also cranky. freaking daylight savings time.
DST is great, it's the stupid winter bullshit that needs to go. No one needs an extra hour of daylight in the morning.
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DST is great, it's the stupid winter bullshit that needs to go. No one needs an extra hour of daylight in the morning.
it was like a punch in the face this morning....even coffee hasn't helped. zzzzzz
Cato kicking me in the beanbag also didn't help.
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Calvin Pace, probably
Yikes...forgot about him...that's an eternity ago.
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it was like a punch in the face this morning....even coffee hasn't helped. zzzzzz
Cato kicking me in the beanbag also didn't help.
You get up too early anyway. Give yourself the extra hour in bed.
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When was the last time we signed a FA pass rusher that was actually serviceable?
Aaron Maybin was serviceable, and decent value for vet minimum.
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Aaron Maybin was serviceable, and decent value for vet minimum.
He was a pleasant surprise the first year, but not much use in his second.
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it was like a punch in the face this morning....even coffee hasn't helped. zzzzzz
Cato kicking me in the beanbag also didn't help.
I went the entire day yesterday and didn't realize it until I saw that my car clock was off this am. Thank God my phone automatically updates. I was wondering why I slept in so late yesterday. I guess I didn't.
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5 minutes until we start signing mediocre dudes. Jarrad Davis 4lyfe!
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Aaaaand go. Sign everyone.
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Per Rappoport: Panthers cutting pass rusher Morgan Fox
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Emmanuel Ogbah resigns with MIA
4yr/$65M
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Emmanuel Ogbah resigns with MIA
4yr/$65M
Prolly goes in the other fa thread.
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Emmanuel Ogbah resigns with MIA
4yr/$65M
wrong thread dude
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Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL
Ravens center Bradley Bozeman is drawing interest from Giants, Jets, Bengals and Panthers in free agency, according to league sources
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I guess we must learn to be happy with overpaying free agents or not getting bigger names until we start winning. Basically CJ Mosley or Jarrad Davis every year.
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I guess we must learn to be happy with overpaying free agents or not getting bigger names until we start winning. Basically CJ Mosley or Jarrad Davis every year.
It's only been 30 mins....lol
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It's only been 30 mins....lol
Same statement applies yesterday, last year, 4 years ago....nothing to do with no signings yet. Didn't expect any.
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Same statement applies yesterday, last year, 4 years ago....nothing to do with no signings yet. Didn't expect any.
what are you talking about
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what are you talking about
We have sucked for so long, no one good wants to come here unless we pay them so much that's it worth losing. It'll be the same until we win games.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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1m
#Jets fishing in the big-boy pool: Bozeman (C/G), Tomlinson (LG) and Scherff (RG). Obvious need at RG. Apparently looking to upgrade at C, too. Jets struggled to run the ball up the middle.
Dink Cimini throwing excrement against a wall to see what sticks.
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We have sucked for so long, no one good wants to come here unless we pay them so much that's it worth losing.
Saleh/Douglas are changing the culture here. Those days are behind us.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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1m
#Jets fishing in the big-boy pool: Bozeman (C/G), Tomlinson (LG) and Scherff (RG). Obvious need at RG. Apparently looking to upgrade at C, too. Jets struggled to run the ball up the middle.
Dink Cimini throwing excrement against a wall to see what sticks.
Bug Doug can't get enough fatties.
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Saleh/Douglas are changing the culture here. Those days are behind us.
Hopefully so.
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I'd be pretty happy with Tomlinson and/or Bozeman.
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I'd be pretty happy with Tomlinson and/or Bozeman.
Tomlinson is a left guard. I think if we sign him, then AVT should be the player that moves to RG.
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Hopefully so.
Going hard after oline depth in FA.
If we stay at 4 the plan has always been Edge or Sauce, outside shot of Hamilton. Ekwonu/Neal aint happening. At least that's been my thought of the month.
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Going hard after oline depth in FA.
If we stay at 4 the plan has always been Edge or Sauce, outside shot of Hamilton. Ekwonu/Neal aint happening. At least that's been my thought of the month.
If take Ekwonu or Neal or even Cross at #4 then it says more about Mekhi Becton than anything
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If take Ekwonu or Neal or even Cross at #4 then it says more about Mekhi Becton than anything
Would be great if we could trade out of 4 and go back only a couple spots.
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We should franchise tag Pineiro.
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We should franchise tag Pineiro.
(MB daylight savings rage intensifies....)
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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1m
#Jets fishing in the big-boy pool: Bozeman (C/G), Tomlinson (LG) and Scherff (RG). Obvious need at RG. Apparently looking to upgrade at C, too. Jets struggled to run the ball up the middle.
Dink Cimini throwing excrement against a wall to see what sticks.
Really not crazy about going after Scherff. I'd prefer a lesser talent who can finish a season.
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Really not crazy about going after Scherff. I'd prefer a lesser talent who can finish a season.
Scherff is a red flag for me too
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We should franchise tag Pineiro.
#triggered
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Did we sign anybody on the first day last year?
I remember it took awhile
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Really not crazy about going after Scherff. I'd prefer a lesser talent who can finish a season.
Going to the Jags, so you can stop worrying.
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Let's see the money in that deal.
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Jarrad Davis was the first signing announced last year, right?
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Jarrad Davis was the first signing announced last year, right?
Looking back, we signed several guys on March 15th...just later in the day.
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Looking back, we signed several guys on March 15th...just later in the day.
Yeah, the C. Davis and Lawson signings were both reported late that day.
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We're signing Laken Tomlinson.
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We're signing Laken Tomlinson.
I like.
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Very curious about what's happening in Marcus Maye's camp right now. Not at all opposed to bringing him back for a discounted season.
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Very curious about what's happening in Marcus Maye's camp right now. Not at all opposed to bringing him back for a discounted season.
his court hearing got pushed back to the summer
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Very curious about what's happening in Marcus Maye's camp right now. Not at all opposed to bringing him back for a discounted season.
I think he'll probably wait it out for a while. I wouldn't re-sign him after the way his agent acted when we gave him the tag.
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Listening to NFLN. Talking about how Jeff Olbrich was instrumental in identifying DeVondre Campbell in Atlanta. Makes sense for him to end up here.
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Listening to NFLN. Talking about how Jeff Olbrich was instrumental in identifying DeVondre Campbell in Atlanta. Makes sense for him to end up here.
Campbell would be a decent get.
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Campbell was my favorite available linebacker in free agency.
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Play Like A Jet
@Playlikeajet1
Source informs me #Jets are looking to get the best possible deals when impending free agents when the legal tampering period begins. "We'd ideally like to get the best players we can on the most team friendly terms," I'm told.
Good thing they had that source, this is a scoop.
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Good thing they had that source, this is a scoop.
That's like when Will Parkinson tweets things like "Source tells me the Jets are very interested in some of the top free agents."
Thanks for that.
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According to Pelissero, AR15's market is the Lions, Chiefs and Browns.
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Joe D just trying to carry his balls around on a daily basis:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220314/b92266be5e4da6ca704e6c7bb19b5f1e.jpg)
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
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51m
I'd love to see the Jets add a TE (or 2).
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
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51m
I'd love to see the Jets add a TE (or 2).
It's Maxxxxxx time
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It's Maxxxxxx time
please no
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Sounds like Marcus Williams might be getting priced out of our range.
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Carlton Davis back to Tampa.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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9m
If I'm the Jets, I wouldn't spend $15M/yr on a CB when they can probably have their choice of any CB in the draft. I'd focus on safety. #Jets
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Honey Badger is still out there, right?
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Honey Badger is still out there, right?
Yes, so is Gilmore.
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Honey Badger is still out there, right?
I'm a little surprised he's not headed to Tampa to link back up with Bowles.
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I'm a little surprised he's not headed to Tampa to link back up with Bowles.
Tampa is trying to cut their budget just to get Brady signed.
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Sounds like Marcus Williams might be getting priced out of our range.
What did you hear?
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Will Parkinson is very annoying. He thinks he’s a member of the beat.
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Will Parkinson is very annoying. He thinks he’s a member of the beat.
He's an NFL analyst, it says do right there in his Twitter bio you son of a bitch. ANALYST!!!
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Will Parkinson is very annoying. He thinks he’s a member of the beat.
I wanted to like him, but he's extremely annoying. When he has a scoop, it's usually wrong. So most of his "scoops" are so vague they are completely meaningless and offer nothing.
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I wanted to like him, but he's extremely annoying. When he has a scoop, it's usually wrong. So most of his "scoops" are so vague they are completely meaningless and offer nothing.
He's been all over all the deals. All over them!
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He's been all over all the deals. All over them!
Like jetswhispers
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Like jetswhispers
Do you still subscribe to Jets Confidential magazine? You know, it's for the informed Jets fan.
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Do you still subscribe to Jets Confidential magazine? You know, it's for the informed Jets fan.
Leberfeld's career got ruined by the internet.
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I wanted to like him, but he's extremely annoying. When he has a scoop, it's usually wrong. So most of his "scoops" are so vague they are completely meaningless and offer nothing.
He tweets things 10 minutes after they happen and gives credit to Schefter, Rap, and Pelissero…as if NFL fans are looking to his account for news.
It’s fine to talk about the signings but he doesn’t need to act like he has scoops.
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He tweets things 10 minutes after they happen and gives credit to Schefter, Rap, and Pelissero…as if NFL fans are looking to his account for news.
It’s fine to talk about the signings but he doesn’t need to act like he has scoops.
He has scoops for the gas station janitors on their 5 min. break.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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8m
The #Jets aren’t done, by the way.
keep rollin, big Doug
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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8m
The #Jets aren’t done, by the way.
keep rollin, big Doug
Still need to get a safety and a few key pieces in important roles elsewhere on the roster
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Have to believe we'll come away with at least one of Gilmore, Williams, Mathieu.
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Have to believe we'll come away with at least one of Gilmore, Williams, Mathieu.
Would be nice, but probably not. Gilmore and Mathieu will want to go a playoff-ready team.
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https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1503526171400712193?t=DuaFo8loZUwPbgN-OXbQWQ&s=19
Isn't he washed? Seems like an overpay for a has-been.
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https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1503526171400712193?t=DuaFo8loZUwPbgN-OXbQWQ&s=19
Is he washed?
I think he'd be more of a free safety than a corner for us, but he'd be a cool signing if we can go get CB at the top of the draft. Not many players out there better to learn from than Stephon Gilmore.
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https://twitter.com/RVacchianoSNY/status/1503528139200290825
Probably just pure conjecture.
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https://twitter.com/RVacchianoSNY/status/1503528139200290825
Probably just pure conjecture.
If we added two vets like that to the defense…
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If we added two vets like that to the defense…
There really is no way we could financially make that work.
We would need to cut gvr or griffin and I don't see JD doing that without having replacements.
Maybe restructuring McGovern, Mosely, Davis, or Fant?
Just doesn't seem feasible with all of the other holes we have.
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If we added two vets like that to the defense…
I’ve been team “buy a secondary” for a while. That would be buying a secondary
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we were selling these two on playing together and leading this young secondary to greatness
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1503707303287173125?t=wyf7AbV1YI02HIwbwosNJg&s=19
Good.
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Lots of buzz about the Jets adding a safety today.
#NFLanalystBo
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Anyone know what our cap situation looks like after yesterday's activities?
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Anyone know what our cap situation looks like after yesterday's activities?
10-15M after removing draft picks.
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https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1503719907535601664
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At this point I'm fine with us sticking to our guns and not overpaying for anyone. Not feeling desperate when considering what we did yesterday and our draft capital.
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https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1503719907535601664
I wonder what his asking price is?
If too much, perhaps you throw the $ at Za'Darius Smith instead.
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I wonder what his asking price is?
If too much, perhaps you throw the $ at Za'Darius Smith instead.
I'd prefer we sign Marcus Williams....so we don't blow the #4 pick on Kyle Hamilton
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Sometimes you have to overpay a little bit to get good players to come to bad teams.
I think this is one guy I'm OK with overpaying because it's a massive need.
I also don't think signing Marcus Williams would stop the Jets from drafting Kyle Hamilton...
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I also don't think signing Marcus Williams would stop the Jets from drafting Kyle Hamilton...
i hope you're wrong......dead wrong.
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Do we have any interest in Myles Jack? Jags just released him
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i hope you're wrong......dead wrong.
This.
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Do we have any interest in Myles Jack? Jags just released him
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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2m
Robert Saleh was the Jags linebackers coach in 2016 when Jack was drafted. A name to watch.
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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2m
Robert Saleh was the Jags linebackers coach in 2016 when Jack was drafted. A name to watch.
Could he be the heir apparent for Mosley?
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Is Myles Jack still good?
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Is Myles Jack still good?
led the Jags in tackles last year with 108
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led the Jags in tackles last year with 108
But he did absolutely nothing else
no sacks, no picks, no pass deflections
Out there running like Tony Snell
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led the Jags in tackles last year with 108
Why is tackles still a stat?
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But he did absolutely nothing else
no sacks, no picks, no pass deflections
Out there running like Tony Snell
I'm not advocating for him....just answering your post
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I'm not advocating for him....just answering your post
I don't know if he's good. Quincy Williams and Neville Hewitt had a lot of tackles too, but they are both derriere.
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I don't know if he's good. Quincy Williams and Neville Hewitt had a lot of tackles too, but they are both derriere.
I don't think Quincy is derriere, he was just used in too many situations that required him to read the game and think. As long as you only use him on plays in which his assignment is simple and unchanging i.e. ST and specific defensive alignments, I think his speed and his tackling are a real asset.
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I don't know if he's good. Quincy Williams and Neville Hewitt had a lot of tackles too, but they are both derriere.
Giants twitter is pining for Myles Jack.....they can have him.
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I don't think Quincy is derriere, he was just used in too many situations that required him to read the game and think. As long as you only use him on plays in which his assignment is simple and unchanging i.e. ST and specific defensive alignments, I think his speed and his tackling are a real asset.
He should not be a starter. He is constantly out of position and I want to murder him on almost every run play.
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He should not be a starter. He is constantly out of position and I want to murder him on almost every run play.
Yes agreed, because that requires him to read the play and adjust accordingly. He doesn't have the smarts to do that quickly enough. If our LB corps wasn't so bad I doubt he'd have had anything like the snaps he had last year, but I think he could be a special teams stud.
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Yes agreed, because that requires him to read the play and adjust accordingly. He doesn't have the smarts to do that quickly enough. If our LB corps wasn't so bad I doubt he'd have had anything like the snaps he had last year, but I think he could be a special teams stud.
Draft a LB from UGA and Muuuuummmmmma
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Sounds to me like Jets and Williams are at a stalemate. Nobody is willing to meet Williams contract demands, and Jets must be closest based on all this “mutual interest” mutterings.
Seems to me one of the two will cave shortly and Williams will be a Jet. My guess is by noon tomorrow, but hopefully tonight.
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Sounds to me like Jets and Williams are at a stalemate. Nobody is willing to meet Williams contract demands, and Jets must be closest based on all this “mutual interest” mutterings.
Seems to me one of the two will cave shortly and Williams will be a Jet. My guess is by noon tomorrow, but hopefully tonight.
I don't believe it unless Steiny or Will Parkinson breaks the news.
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I don't believe it unless Steiny or Will Parkinson breaks the news.
Will Parkinstein with the scoop
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Browns released Tretter. Wonder if Douglas is interested given we're apparently looking for a center.
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Will Parkinstein with the scoop
Steiny actually had sources since he was friends with a lot of the low-level players.
Will Parkinson probably knows people in the NFL and he hears what they want him to hear, which isn't much, but he acts like it's a lot.
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I just had a look at this guy's profile as I've never heard of him before you all started complaining about him. I bet he's constantly badgering Twitter to give him a blue check.
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Will Parkinson got Spivey pregnant
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I just had a look at this guy's profile as I've never heard of him before you all started complaining about him. I bet he's constantly badgering Twitter to give him a blue check.
He replaced Caporoso running the TurnOnTheJets podcast. I can't listen to that.
Caporoso and Connor do a Patreon now instead, which I enjoy, mostly for Connor.
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He replaced Caporoso running the TurnOnTheJets podcast. I can't listen to that.
Caporoso and Connor do a Patreon now instead, which I enjoy, mostly for Connor.
Caporoso applies Sopranos analogies to everything....i had to unfollow him.
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Will Parkinson got Spivey pregnant
He would have had zero shot at that. Spivey was hawt.
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He replaced Caporoso running the TurnOnTheJets podcast. I can't listen to that.
Caporoso and Connor do a Patreon now instead, which I enjoy, mostly for Connor.
You could just listen to the Sikkema and Rogers podcast. Both are those dudes are great.
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He replaced Caporoso running the TurnOnTheJets podcast. I can't listen to that.
Caporoso and Connor do a Patreon now instead, which I enjoy, mostly for Connor.
I don't listen to any Jets podcasts, all the ones I've tried have been awful. I find most sports podcasts to be terrible; I finally found a good Forest one, and I don't mind Wally and Methot for Sens hockey, but that's it.
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You could just listen to the Sikkema and Rogers podcast. Both are those dudes are great.
My Giants buddy endorsed this podcast too...i may give it a try. Like JE, i've had horrible luck with shitty Jets podcasts.
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My Giants buddy endorsed this podcast too...i may give it a try. Like JE, i've had horrible luck with shitty Jets podcasts.
Apparently it's primarily draft focused. Definitely more one for you than me.
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Sounds to me like Jets and Williams are at a stalemate. Nobody is willing to meet Williams contract demands, and Jets must be closest based on all this “mutual interest” mutterings.
Seems to me one of the two will cave shortly and Williams will be a Jet. My guess is by noon tomorrow, but hopefully tonight.
HODL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCLpWeRKC9E
nice day one recap
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I don't listen to any Jets podcasts, all the ones I've tried have been awful. I find most sports podcasts to be terrible; I finally found a good Forest one, and I don't mind Wally and Methot for Sens hockey, but that's it.
The only sports podcasts I have in regular rotation are R2C2 and Move the Sticks. The Sanchez/Mangold one I'm still giving a try but they're not exactly naturals and release episodes too infrequently.
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The only sports podcasts I have in regular rotation are R2C2 and Move the Sticks. The Sanchez/Mangold one I'm still giving a try but they're not exactly naturals and release episodes too infrequently.
Rich Eisen used to do one which was decent, mostly because Eisen is so likeable, but I fell out of the habit and haven't listened for a long time.
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Rich Eisen used to do one which was decent, mostly because Eisen is so likeable, but I fell out of the habit and haven't listened for a long time.
I know this off topic...but you should try the 32 thoughts podcast with Elliott Friedman and Jeff Marek. Great NHL hockey podcast.
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I know this off topic...but you should try the 32 thoughts podcast with Elliott Friedman and Jeff Marek. Great NHL hockey podcast.
I have listened to it a few times before and I agree, they're good. I should try and get back into the habit.
It's much better than Spittin' Chiclets, which I hate.
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
· 10m
Safety Marcus Williams is agreeing to terms with the Baltimore Ravens on a five-year deal worth $70 million, per source. Big market-shifting deal in AFC North.
The dream is over
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Douglas isn't going to spend like that. Good for him.
Let's see what his next moves are now that Williams out of the picture.
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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26s
Replying to
@RVacchianoSNY
Tyrann Mathieu and Jordan Whitehead are two other safeties I've heard the Jets have some interest in. Again, the price will matter, but with Williams off the board the safety market should pick up fast.
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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26s
Replying to
@RVacchianoSNY
Tyrann Mathieu and Jordan Whitehead are two other safeties I've heard the Jets have some interest in. Again, the price will matter, but with Williams off the board the safety market should pick up fast.
Sign both
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Sign both
JD needs to pop that whitehead
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UPDATE on Williams Contract
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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34s
This deal includes $37 million guaranteed, including $31 million in next year, per source.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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4m
#Jets waited for Marcus Williams to lower his price — and he did (to $14m per year). I think they would’ve paid that, but he preferred the #Ravens. Now the Jets have to pivot. Safety still a big need.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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4m
#Jets waited for Marcus Williams to lower his price — and he did (to $14m per year). I think they would’ve paid that, but he preferred the #Ravens. Now the Jets have to pivot. Safety still a big need.
Can't blame Williams for choosing the more established team.
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Can't blame Williams for choosing the more established team.
Exactly, and not surprising. If contract is the same, many will go to the Ravens/Chiefs/Pats/Rams/Bucs etc over the Jets.
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We're definitely going to have to overpay to get some of the better FAs to pick us over other teams.
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We're definitely going to have to overpay to get some of the better FAs to pick us over other teams.
I can appreciate Douglas sticking to his guns
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would've loved williams, but they can still pivot to the honey badger for less term and dollars.
Wouldn't be so bad having that kind of pee and vinegar as well as leadership on the squad.
Given Jack's history with Saleh and the need, I could see him being a fit as well.
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Can't blame Williams for choosing the more established team.
Yep, until we start winning games, this will be the same. Hopefully we can trend towards .500 this year and get out of the cellar.
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Yep, until we start winning games, this will be the same. Hopefully we can trend towards .500 this year and get out of the cellar.
We're making the playoffs this year.
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Williams would have been nice but I’m fine starting with an NFL caliber safety and going from there
Literally anyone would be an upgrade from Neasman/Redwine/whoever else started last year
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We're making the playoffs this year.
JE is almost never right about anything, but this is correct
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Fine line between holding the line at the salary you're willing to give a guy, and being too stingy to actually help the roster. When you're willing to overpay to get the guy you want, sometimes you end up giving CJ Mosley an absurd contract. But when you refuse, you can be John Idzik.
I'm not saying we are stingy for not paying for Marcus Williams, but at some point, we will need to actually acquire legit top-tier talent if we want to achieve our goals. I am curious what the Jets premium was on Marcus Williams.
Hopefully, we start winning in 2022, so we can start to attract guys more easily.
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at some point, we will need to actually acquire legit top-tier talent if we want to achieve our goals.
Didn't we just do that yesterday? We got arguably the best lineman on the market and a top available tight end. If we had to blow our remaining wad on Marcus Williams, that means no help at linebacker this year. I think Doug is walking that fine line quite well thus far.
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Didn't we just do that yesterday? We got arguably the best lineman on the market and a top available tight end. If we had to blow our remaining wad on Marcus Williams, that means no help at linebacker this year. I think Doug is walking that fine line quite well thus far.
Tomlinson was not the best OL on the market, but he helps us a lot. And Uzomah is an average at best starting tight end.
Don't get me wrong, I like both signings a lot, but Uzomah is not top-tier talent.
Again, not saying that Williams is the guy to splurge on. But at some point, we will need to splurge on someone, and Douglas hasn't really found that guy to do that with. He has his number on guys and sticks to it. For the most part, that's a great strategy, and it's certainly a better strategy than guys like Baalke going on spending sprees to keep their jobs.
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We're making the playoffs this year.
This needs to be the goal. It's still an uphill climb to actually make it, but that's the goal.
I know I'll be betting on the Jets to make the playoffs at whatever odds they are.
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but Uzomah is not top-tier talent.
He was the best available tight end in this free agency class though
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Twitter going absolutely nuts about Williams.
Aren’t these the same dickheads that make fun of the Seahawks for trading for Adams and paying him?
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He was the best available tight end in this free agency class though
Agreed. I love the signing. We desperately needed a competent tight end and now we have one. And he's also a great locker room guy, which you can never have enough of.
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So the rest of today is going to find our #2 S option. Aside from Honey Badger I’m not sure who is left out there. Kearse and Diggs and Reid went yesterday. With luck we find another valuable guy.
Actually I’d like 2 safeties if we aren’t paying top dollar for one
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So the rest of today is going to find our #2 S option. Aside from Honey Badger I’m not sure who is left out there. Kearse and Diggs and Reid went yesterday. With luck we find another valuable guy.
Actually I’d like 2 safeties if we aren’t paying top dollar for one
Jayron Kearse is still a free agent, I think
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So the rest of today is going to find our #2 S option. Aside from Honey Badger I’m not sure who is left out there. Kearse and Diggs and Reid went yesterday. With luck we find another valuable guy.
Actually I’d like 2 safeties if we aren’t paying top dollar for one
Picks 35/38 are a sweet spot for a S prospect, but I definitely agree that it would be great to pair that rookie with someone better than Ashtyn....please. A reasonable Honey badger signing would be nice.
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I like Ashtyn Davis. I think he was forced into a lot of bad spots because our linebacker suck.
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I like Ashtyn Davis. I think he was forced into a lot of bad spots because our linebacker suck.
He actually got quite good at tracking the ball later in the season (or was put in more positions where he was able to), but he has to learn to take better lines to tackle, especially in the red zone.
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If we're expecting a free safety to run downhill and make perfect run fits on almost every outside run, we're in trouble again.
Our linebackers and defensive ends are so slow.
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If we're expecting a free safety to run downhill and make perfect run fits on almost every outside run, we're in trouble again.
Our linebackers and defensive ends are so slow.
We need to nab two LB's in the draft. I love the clapper, but doubt we grab him at 10.
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We need to nab two LB's in the draft. I love the clapper, but doubt we grab him at 10.
We should take one of the other UGA LBs in the third then
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Reed + Whitehead is $18M or so.
Marcus Williams by himself was $14M.
This is how you FA when you have tons of holes.
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Reed + Whitehead is $18M or so.
Marcus Williams by himself was $14M.
This is how you FA when you have tons of holes.
Reminiscent of the Bills FA spending a few years ago when they brought in a ton of guys on reasonable deals, while the Jets brought in Lev Bell and Mosley
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Reed + Whitehead is $18M or so.
Marcus Williams by himself was $14M.
This is how you FA when you have tons of holes.
Kind of reminds me of missing out on Winfield and we signed Tongue and Barrett instead. Hopefully we get better results this time.
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Kind of reminds me of missing out on Winfield and we signed Tongue and Barrett instead. Hopefully we get better results this time.
We didn’t exactly have Williams on the tarmac like we did Winfield.
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Reminiscent of the Bills FA spending a few years ago when they brought in a ton of guys on reasonable deals, while the Jets brought in Lev Bell and Mosley
Now we just need to trade for a #1 WR
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Let's not forget the Bills traded for Diggs going into Allen's 3rd season. Before that, his #1 receiver was Smoky Brown.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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3m
The Jets don’t view linebacker in same light as public. They’re very, very happy with Quincy Williams & CJ Mosley. They don’t view it as a need.
Perceived issues at LB were because of IDL issues.
ruh roh
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ruh roh
This tells me they don’t believe in the FA options to provide value at the money they will cost.
I still expect we take a LB high.
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ruh roh
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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3m
The Jets don’t view linebacker in same light as public. They’re very, very happy with Quincy Williams & CJ Mosley. They don’t view it as a need.
Perceived issues at LB were because some poopchute kept putting Nathan Shepherd in the game on 3rd-and-1.
Fixed
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This tells me they don’t believe in the FA options to provide value at the money they will cost.
I still expect we take a LB high.
Or it could mean they want Hamilton as a hybrid.
Or it could mean that we are going to take a guy like Travon Walker to help our DL protect our linebackers.
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We're taking at DT at 4 aren't we.
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We're taking at DT at 4 aren't we.
>Perceived issues at LB were because of IDL issues.
>Looks at current iDL depth chart
>Uh oh
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We're taking at DT at 4 aren't we.
Take Travon Walker and put JFM inside.
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Take Travon Walker and put JFM inside.
This is the way
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Fixed
That makes more sense
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That makes more sense
per roto:
Jets re-signed DT Nathan Shepherd.
Shepherd, 28, appeared in all 17 games last season, getting in on a career-high 495 snaps (42%), but he registered zero sacks and zero TFLs. He's merely a rotational piece.
I fuckin jinxed it
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per roto:
I fuckin jinxed it
I'm not sure whether to laugh, or hunt you down and kill you and all of your family.
(I chose laughing. We're good.)
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per roto:
I fuckin jinxed it
F UUUUUUUUUUU
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How do you have zero TFLs as an interior defensive lineman with almost 500 snaps?
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How do you have zero TFLs as an interior defensive lineman with almost 500 snaps
And yet so many flags...
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what the freak
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Now we just need to trade for a #1 WR
I'd gladly trade the #10 for DK.
Bonus points if JD get back a mid rounder, I'll even take a future mid at this point.
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Let's not forget we need a kicker as well.
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I'm not sure whether to laugh, or hunt you down and kill you and all of your family.
(I chose laughing. We're good.)
I'd sacrifice at least one niece if it would undo the signing.
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As long as he is here to compete for a roster slot instead of automatically getting one.
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As long as he is here to compete for a roster slot instead of automatically getting one.
I expect we sign several guys in this boat. Will Parks and Joyners deals likely are this way as well. If we bring back a Kroft or a Feeney I’d expect this type of non guaranteed signing as well.
You have to have some kind of depth, and if the devil you know is cheap that might be better than the devil you don’t know.
Now if we have Sheppard something substantial than that’s a completely different issue
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per roto:
I fuckin jinxed it
Fire Joe Douglas.
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Morgan Moses to the Ravens
We need a third tackle
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How do you have zero TFLs as an interior defensive lineman with almost 500 snaps?
Canada.
Honestly, he's probably 50/50 to even make the team.
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Nathan Shepherd? ugh
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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1m
Jets tendering RFA kicker Eddy Pineiro for one year at $2.433 million, per
@DrewJRosenhaus
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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1m
Jets tendering RFA kicker Eddy Pineiro for one year at $2.433 million, per
@DrewJRosenhaus
F U, MBGreen
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I didn't realize he was an RFA
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F U, MBGreen
living well is the best revenge
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Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
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26s
Joe Flacco is returning to the #Jets, per his agent @JLSports3
. It's a 1-year deal.
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Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
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26s
Joe Flacco is returning to the #Jets, per his agent @JLSports3
. It's a 1-year deal.
Maybe we can trade him midseason for a pick.
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James Jones is a freaking retard. I flipped by NFLN, he was asked what the Jets should do at 4 and 10 in the draft.
-At no point did he say anything about a draft pick. At all.
-While looking high and stupid at the same time, he said "Maaaan, the Jets should be excited because dey resigned dere center Connor, dey signed Lakeland Tomlinson, you signed CJ Oozmuh. Dey got 4 picks in the top 38, GM should be excited."
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
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They have put some solid pieces around Zach Wilson. Uzomah & Conklin help the run game too. 4 top 40 picks next month. Roster will look A LOT diff next fall!
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[Jason OTC] Including trades the current “leaders” in dead money 1. Bears- $45.2M 2. Seahawks- $40.6M 3. Eagles- $36.5M …. Jets have the least at $1.6M
win
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win
Took years to get rid of all our dead money, but the best way to keep that number low is avoid giving out bad deals, and JD has seemingly avoided that so far
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Took years to get rid of all our dead money, but the best way to keep that number low is avoid giving out bad deals, and JD has seemingly avoided that so far
I was looking through the team's bigger contracts last night and almost all of them have a possible out after 2022, even guys like Lawson and Davis. We're well positioned to lock down our homegrown guys in the future (assuming they play at a high enough level to warrant it).
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1504476598522712069?t=gD301vKUEN3PS_eA5lqDZg&s=19
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1504476598522712069?t=gD301vKUEN3PS_eA5lqDZg&s=19
Which I guess is why he keeps hinting at a trade still to come; there aren't too many FAs left worth big money, but we have lots of draft capital and a number of teams still trying to figure out what they're doing at QB. Trading a player to us in exchange for a pick that they can use towards getting their starting QB has to be a consideration.
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Which I guess is why he keeps hinting at a trade still to come; there aren't too many FAs left worth big money, but we have lots of draft capital and a number of teams still trying to figure out what they're doing at QB. Trading a player to us in exchange for a pick that they can use towards getting their starting QB has to be a consideration.
Aside from Metcalf, I’m not sure who could realistically be sent our way that is in need of a big contract with lots of $$ in it right now
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Brandin Cooks
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Brandin Cooks
He doesn’t need a new deal does he?
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He doesn’t need a new deal does he?
He has $12.5M left but would potentially need to be re-signed long term
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He has $12.5M left but would potentially need to be re-signed long term
For me, I’d probably take the risk to wait and see him in my system. Given his age and propensity for being shuffled around, I’d be hesitant to commit big money to him just yet, and I’d essentially let him and Davis fight it out this year. Winner gets the deal, loser gets the door In favor of Moore and our WR selection this hear
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For me, I’d probably take the risk to wait and see him in my system. Given his age and propensity for being shuffled around, I’d be hesitant to commit big money to him just yet, and I’d essentially let him and Davis fight it out this year. Winner gets the deal, loser gets the door In favor of Moore and our WR selection this hear
It's an expiring contract, I don't see it costing more than a 4th. Trade for cooks, slide from 10 to the teens to pick up a 3rd and sign Jameson Williams.
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I've thought for a while we should try to trade for a veteran. I'm not sure who that guy is, but we have the cap space, and we should have the desire to start to improve.
We could also potentially get that vet in a trade down from 10. For example, Danielle Hunter is rumored to be in the 3rd/4th-round range in value. Moving down from 10 to 12 (MIN pick) alone is worth a late 3rd. Maybe we give them 10 and 117 for Hunter, 12 and 192.
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Aside from Metcalf
Let me stop you right there
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1504665228121886755?t=4armZ8pT9r993Z6FD2QhnQ&s=19
What would you give up for Robert Woods?
Coming off ACL tear, turns 30 this year, under contract through 2025 with an average cap hit of $17M. Remaining gtd $ drops significantly after 2022.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1504665228121886755?t=4armZ8pT9r993Z6FD2QhnQ&s=19
What would you give up for Robert Woods?
Coming off ACL tear, turns 30 this year, under contract through 2025 with an average cap hit of $17M. Remaining gtd $ drops significantly after 2022.
maybe the 6th we got for Cashman
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With Elijah Moore and the draft available, I just don't care to trade for anyone that isn't a game changer. Metcalf comes to mind, but that's a pipe dream.
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I think there's a good chance Woods gets outright released anyway.
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maybe the 6th we got for Cashman
Agreed. I'd be more interested in Beckham, not that I especially want him either.
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Agreed. I'd be more interested in Beckham, not that I especially want him either.
I don't see any scenario where Beckham would be an option
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I'd trade a late rounder for a proven vet. We're going to draft a receiver or two. Having some pros in the WR room with them is important.
Woods is a solid player.
Anything that helps the QB, I'm good with it.
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I'd trade a late rounder for a proven vet. We're going to draft a receiver or two. Having some pros in the WR room with them is important.
Woods is a solid player.
Anything that helps the QB, I'm good with it.
I agree. It would be nice to get a Vet in here and get a rookie at 35. Can you imagine Zach’s new weaponry on opening day as follows:
WR
Corey Davis
Elijah Moore
Robert Woods/Brandon Cooks
Rookie
Braxton Berrios
TE
C.J. Uzamoh
Tyler Conklin
Rookie
Would it be expensive? Absolutely. But it would be the deepest corps we’ve had since I was a fan and it has a few guys with potential to become dominant players, not to mention lots of flexibility to move pieces around and fill a bunch of different roles. It doesn’t have an elite player like Davante Adams but it would be one of the best top to bottom skill groups in the league. Especially if we bring in a mid round RB to pair with Carter
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I'd trade a late rounder for a proven vet. We're going to draft a receiver or two. Having some pros in the WR room with them is important.
Woods is a solid player.
Anything that helps the QB, I'm good with it.
I was thinking a 4th. Would be more comfortable with a 3rd if the contract was smaller.
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I'd trade a late rounder for a proven vet. We're going to draft a receiver or two. Having some pros in the WR room with them is important.
Woods is a solid player.
Anything that helps the QB, I'm good with it.
Yeah but MB is right, I don't see why we'd want to give up anything of value to pay a lot of money to an older player coming back from a serious injury. It makes far more sense to go after someone like Woods as a free agent and on a more team friendly deal, and if someone else is willing to outbid that then so be it.
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I'd much rather send a mid-round to Houston for a Brandin Cooks rental. We've got the money to extend him if he fits in and plays well.
We have the premium picks to select a wideout high that can replace him (or Corey Davis) in 2023.
I'm pretty surprised we haven't signed a veteran receiver yet. It makes me think Douglas is trying to acquire one.
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I'd much rather send a mid-round to Houston for a Brandin Cooks rental. We've got the money to extend him if he fits in and plays well.
We have the premium picks to select a wideout high that can replace him (or Corey Davis) in 2023.
I'm pretty surprised we haven't signed a veteran receiver yet. It makes me think Douglas is trying to acquire one.
Yeah, there's a lot of market still to happen. Once the quarterback dominoes start to fall then there will be all sorts happening - some teams will need to find draft capital to make the trades they want, and the ones who miss out on a franchise guy might decide to sell in order to rebuild. I would presume that there are lot of "if / then" scenarios that have been discussed between GMs over the last few days and my hope is that Douglas has a few deal frameworks lined up, depending on who gets to do what other deals.
Someone should make a movie about this. Maybe see if they can get a big Hollywood name involved, someone like Kevin Costner perhaps.
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The no-trade clause should be eliminated after this theatrical stunt Deshaun Watson is pulling.
He does not deserve this much attention.
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John Franklin-Myers
@J_FranklinMyers
@robertwoods
I miss you, NY is a beautiful place FYI 😅
JFM putting in work
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These wide receiver contracts make our corey davis deal look great
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These wide receiver contracts make our corey davis deal look great
Well, he's 0 for 1 in playing to the level of that contract. Hopefully he's healthy this year.
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Bozeman signed with the Panthers.
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The no-trade clause should be eliminated after this theatrical stunt Deshaun Watson is pulling.
He does not deserve this much attention.
If I were a star player I would absolutely demand that clause in my contract. That said I hate it in the anBA for years and I hated it here as well.
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If I were a star player I would absolutely demand that clause in my contract. That said I hate it in the anBA for years and I hated it here as well.
There should be a rule that voids a no trade clause if the player demands a trade
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There should be a rule that voids a no trade clause if the player demands a trade
That's the most sensible suggestion yet.
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How do you prove a player demands a trade. Easier said than done IMO. What happened with Watson was BS, but not sure what the answer is.
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There should be a rule that voids a no trade clause if the player demands a trade
Wouldn't this just encourage players to be full fledged Cunts those forcing teams to trade them regardless?
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Wouldn't this just encourage players to be full fledged Cunts those forcing teams to trade them regardless?
To avoid this, I would say a no trade clause cannot be waived for a specific team, but the player must have a list of at least 3-5 documented destinations that they could be traded.
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https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1505051955315441664?s=21
I saw this and thought we signed Cole Beasley
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Have to believe a move for a veteran receiver is coming.
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Have to believe a move for a veteran receiver is coming.
If it's anyone that's a true big name, it'll have to be a trade. I mean I guess you could consider Beckham a big name, but he's always hurt. Jets certainly have the cap space for it and the need for a true #1. Preferably not another small scrappy dude.
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If it's anyone that's a true big name, it'll have to be a trade. I mean I guess you could consider Beckham a big name, but he's always hurt. Jets certainly have the cap space for it and the need for a true #1. Preferably not another small scrappy dude.
"The Jets are trading multiple premium picks for Andy Isabella"
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Just sign someone reliable
I’d be okay bringing Cole back for the minimum
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https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1505155711403270144?t=nHUz22GU4_koz5qLq-it8Q&s=19
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Go get Danielle Hunter. The only legitimate “need” would then be WR
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Woods makes a ton of sense imo. Reliable starting receiver (albeit coming off an injury) who can likely be had for a Day 3 pick.
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My only thing against Woods is I don’t want a 30 year old WR coming off of ACL reconstruction to prohibit the team from taking a WR at 10
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My only thing against Woods is I don’t want a 30 year old WR coming off of ACL reconstruction to prohibit the team from taking a WR at 10
It wouldn't, but it gives us flexibility.
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My only thing against Woods is I don’t want a 30 year old WR coming off of ACL reconstruction to prohibit the team from taking a WR at 10
On the other hand, I think it might allow us to get a guy at the top of the second round who JD feels like is better value with just as much upside as the top guys if there are talents at other positions that they like more at ten. I think a move like that just keeps us all the more flexible.
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Go get Danielle Hunter. The only legitimate “need” would then be WR
I disagree it doesn’t solve anything IMO. It just has the potential to make our rotation deeper. But if we had an injury prone Hunter and an injury prone Lawson both coming off seasons with tons of missed time, that wouldn’t make me feel comfortable at the position at all. It would be a bonus to see both playing well and rotating with #4, but expecting it and feeling comfortable enough to not take a top prospect at 4
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My only thing against Woods is I don’t want a 30 year old WR coming off of ACL reconstruction to prohibit the team from taking a WR at 10
On the other hand, I think it might allow us to get a guy at the top of the second round who JD feels like is better value with just as much upside as the top guys if there are talents at other positions that they like more at ten. I think a move like that just keeps us all the more flexible.
I agree with both of these thoughts, as someone who is (sadly) not included in the current Jets brain trust.
As we all know, there is no Chase/AJGreen/Amari Cooper-level WR prospect in this draft. In fact, it could be argued that Elijah Moore would even be the 1 or 2 best WR prospect if he were in this class.
I honestly don't think the drop-off from a pick 10 WR to a pick 35 WR is insane. Woods for a mid-rounder plus a 2nd-round WR seems more appealing at the moment than a London or GWilson at 10. That said, I am very happy with a Wilson or London at 10 if that's what JD deems best. But if we trade a late rounder for Woods...yo, get us a Lloyd or Nakobe Dean or Karlaftis or trade down at 10 plz.
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George Pickens at 35 is better value than any WR at 10
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George Pickens at 35 is better value than any WR at 10
Which is why I'm all for taking a corner at 10. If there's a receiver we really like available in the 20s, we can trade up for him.
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As long as we get either 1 significant WR piece, or 2 solid WR pieces to fill out the room, we're in good shape.
Ideally, it's
Top 3: Moore, ??, Davis
WR4: Berrios
WR5: ??
To be honest, I think we could get by with Moore, Davis and Berrios as a top 3 if we had to, but obviously we need another big piece there for depth if nothing else.
We need impact players in the draft. I don't want to be pigeonholed to taking a WR at 10. I'm not convinced any of these WRs are clearly worth 10. I don't think they're bad picks there, but I'm not sure they are BPA either.
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Avoiding being forced into taking a receiver at 10/having to start him immediately if he isn't ready is exactly why I want us to acquire a starting-caliber veteran receiver. It's unlikely that we're going to be able to obtain a #1 at this point unless DK or someone else unexpectedly becomes available.
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I don't think Douglas is going to be pigeonholed into having to draft at a position, this team is too bad. But there might be a few positions where he clearly doesn't need someone.
Besides OL (so beautiful to finally say this), I can't think of a position where a high pick would be wasted besides punter, kicker, etc.
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Uzo and Conk are going to be a huge part of the passing game.
We need an outside vertical threat: Jameson Williams or George Pickens
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Uzo and Conk are going to be a huge part of the passing game.
We need an outside vertical threat: Jameson Williams or George Pickens
There are some options in free agency. I'm not a huge fan of any of the options by themselves, but if you brought any of them in AND drafted a guy at 35 or 38, I think that would make sense. 1-year deal for Will Fuller and Dotson/Pickens/etc in Round 2.
Deep threats that aren't old
- Will Fuller
- Marquez Valdes-Scantling
- Sammy Watkins (somehow still 28)
- Tre'quan Smith
- DeMarcus Robinson
Deep threats that are old
- Julio Jones
- A.J. Green (not sure if actually a deep threat but he can play outside)
- DeSean Jackson
That said, I think Jets fans might be overrating how big a need WR is right now. Like you said, with Uzomah and Conklin, we will be playing a lot more 2-TE sets, and both those guys can catch.
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Robert Woods is better than anyone we can get in the free agent market.
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The ability to run effective play action out of 11/12 looks becomes a lot more open if you can get the safety out of the box.
A true outside vertical threat is what this team is lacking.
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MVS played in a similar scheme to ours.
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George Pickens at 35 is better value than any WR at 10
It’s entirely possible that Pickens is a top 3 receiver in the class. A dude with his pedigree at 35 would have a potentially huge payoff.
A healthy Jameson Williams and Garrett Wilson are the only guys I would even have a conversation about at #10.
Side note, Danielle Hunter is a beast. A torn pec isn’t something indicative of being injury prone, and the herniated disc thing isn’t something that would be naturally recurring either. The injuries don’t scare me at all, especially with the amount of guys we’d have to rotate in.
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Are we opposed to taking two front seven players?
What if we had the chance to take Travon Walker at 4 and Jermaine Johnson at 10?
I know we have Carl Lawson, but you can play Walker and JFM inside and outside. While Johnson gives you a true pass rushing EDGE.
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If we take a defensive player at 4, then Charles Cross would need to be considered if he’s there at 10.
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It’s entirely possible that Pickens is a top 3 receiver in the class. A dude with his pedigree at 35 would have a potentially huge payoff.
A healthy Jameson Williams and Garrett Wilson are the only guys I would even have a conversation about at #10.
Side note, Danielle Hunter is a beast. A torn pec isn’t something indicative of being injury prone, and the herniated disc thing isn’t something that would be naturally recurring either. The injuries don’t scare me at all, especially with the amount of guys we’d have to rotate in.
Wideout is too deep to spend a top ten pick on one IF the pass rushers and CB1 are off the board.
Stingley could be there at 10 too.
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Are we opposed to taking two front seven players?
What if we had the chance to take Travon Walker at 4 and Jermaine Johnson at 10?
I know we have Carl Lawson, but you can play Walker and JFM inside and outside. While Johnson gives you a true pass rushing EDGE.
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If we take a defensive player at 4, then Charles Cross would need to be considered if he’s there at 10.
After watching more Johnson, I'm pretty sold on him at 10 if he's there, no matter who we take at 4. I would be 100% on board with Walker and Johnson. That's when trading for a WR seems like a good idea, or doubling up with a FA and a 2nd-round pick.
We've done a lot to help Wilson this offseason. I think we need a little more at RB and WR as well as a backup/developmental OT, but I don't think WR and OT need to be at 4 or 10.
The defense was horrendous last season. Saleh wants our defensive linemen to get after the quarterback, and we didn't do that. And we also rotate a lot. DL is a position where I have no problem spending a lot of resources on.
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Which is why I'm all for taking a corner at 10. If there's a receiver we really like available in the 20s, we can trade up for him.
I'd rather take Sauce at 4 (assuming the top 2 edges are gone) than take CB X at 10.
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I'd rather take Sauce at 4 (assuming the top 2 edges are gone) than take CB X at 10.
If Stingley pans out, he is an absolute steal at 10
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Are we opposed to taking two front seven players?
What if we had the chance to take Travon Walker at 4 and Jermaine Johnson at 10?
I know we have Carl Lawson, but you can play Walker and JFM inside and outside. While Johnson gives you a true pass rushing EDGE.
I'd be less opposed to it if we're adding a meaningful player at WR before the draft.
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Thibs and Stingley are the two guys I feel people are irrationally down on and we have the potential of landing both.
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If Stingley pans out, he is an absolute steal at 10
He's also more of a risk than I'd like when there are so many other general options at 10.
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Thibs and Stingley are the two guys I feel people are irrationally down on and we have the potential of landing both.
I understand Stingley because he’s had some injuries, but the KT slander makes no sense. He’s the best player in the draft.
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I'd be less opposed to it if we're adding a meaningful player at WR before the draft.
What if we took Walker and Johnson then ended up with Pickens or Dotson in the second?
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What if we took Walker and Johnson then ended up with Pickens or Dotson in the second?
I'd be pleased with that, after the fact. I'd be slightly uneasy until that WR though.
(And we all know the most important thing about the draft is how it makes me feel)
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I understand Stingley because he’s had some injuries, but the KT slander makes no sense. He’s the best player in the draft.
If Stingley's available at 10, I feel he's worth the risk.
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I'm thinking Hamilton will now be in play at 4..and I'm not even mad about it anymore.
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If Stingley's available at 10, I feel he's worth the risk.
The less risk the better for this draft. JD has to hit homeruns with these premium picks.
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I'm thinking Hamilton will now be in play at 4..and I'm not even mad about it anymore.
It’s awful value at 4. It’d be alright at 10, but do we really want to use the other Adams pick on a safety?
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The less risk the better for this draft. JD has to hit homeruns with these premium picks.
These are contradictory statements.
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It’s awful value at 4. It’d be alright at 10, but do we really want to use the other Adams pick on a safety?
Not particularly...but JD may have other ideas.
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These are contradictory statements.
How so?
Risky players aren't necessarily homerun picks. We can't have any Vernon Gholston or Dee Milliner mishaps
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How so?
Risky players aren't necessarily homerun picks. We can't have any Vernon Gholston or Dee Milliner mishaps
Because swinging for the fences is analogous with making a boom/bust decision.
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Because swinging for the fences is analogous with making a boom/bust decision.
You can still make safe picks and they're still considered a boom....like Garrett Wilson.
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I guess my point is...we shouldn't be making picks on players with question marks on day 1.
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I'm so glad we don't need a QB this year
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Are we opposed to taking two front seven players?
What if we had the chance to take Travon Walker at 4 and Jermaine Johnson at 10?
I know we have Carl Lawson, but you can play Walker and JFM inside and outside. While Johnson gives you a true pass rushing EDGE.
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If we take a defensive player at 4, then Charles Cross would need to be considered if he’s there at 10.
I wouldn’t, personally. We need to spread out the premium investments and I think we can find a good player to boost the interior later on. If we didn’t pay JFM, I’d be more in line to make that move.
It would only make sense to me if were keeping JFM as a full time tackle (Walker as the chess piece) or we knew Lawson was gone after this year (Walker to starting DE, invest Lawson’s saved 15 mill in a DT).
I know we need 8 solid DL, but I don’t need to spend the 4th pick on a guy we don’t have a clear role for. I’d rather just add a DT later.
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So what's the deal here?
Are teams just waiting until after the draft to fill out the rest of their rosters?
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So what's the deal here?
Are teams just waiting until after the draft to fill out the rest of their rosters?
bargain bin shopping isn't as rushed. We'll be in a lull right up til the draft now.
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I would have liked an upgrade but at this point I'm wondering if we just bring back Keelan Cole for some continuity, and look toward the draft.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/available/
Maybe Will Fuller signs a prove-it deal?
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I realise that I'm clutching at straws here but this seems like something you say when you're trying to increase a player's trade value, rather than decrease his contract value:
https://twitter.com/es_sportsnews/status/1506678942102548483
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Maybe Will Fuller signs a prove-it deal?
I'd like this
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I brought up Fuller before and I think he would be a great fit here. I think we need a veteran AND a rookie. Rookies aren't always great right away, and a veteran helps smooth that transition.
I think Davis-Moore-Berrios can be a serviceable trio, but it's still one of the worst groups in the league unless Moore has a huge breakout. But we should go over the top to help our rookie quarterback.
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I realise that I'm clutching at straws here but this seems like something you say when you're trying to increase a player's trade value, rather than decrease his contract value:
https://twitter.com/es_sportsnews/status/1506678942102548483
I have a hard time believing seatte would trade us geno Smith right now let alone their best young asset
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I have a hard time believing seatte would trade us geno Smith right now let alone their best young asset
Why? I hear that argument a lot and I don't buy it. Just because one trade ended up being lopsided doesn't mean that you never deal with that team again - no one got shafted, nothing underhand was done, it's just one team misjudged the deal from their side. If Adams had turned into the second coming of Troy Polamalu which at that point wasn't entirely beyond the realms of possibility, no one would have been laughing at how much they gave up for him. If the Jets called Seattle up and offered a deal for Metcalf or any other player that they thought was a fair price and fit with their strategy, I don't believe they'd avoid doing it in case it went wrong like the last one - especially when they're getting the picks this time.
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The Seahawks won't be less likely to trade with us because of the Adams trade. That's foolish.
Everything you read is that Metcalf is not available, so I assume that is the case. Pete Carroll is always the type to gas up his players, so I wouldn't read much into his comments one way or the other.
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The media consistently laughs at how poor of a trade ot was. SEA know they got fleeced. If you don't think the human element comes into play for future decisions I don't know what to tell you
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The media consistently laughs at how poor of a trade ot was. SEA know they got fleeced. If you don't think the human element comes into play for future decisions I don't know what to tell you
At the end of the day the key is options and value.
If he’s actually available, and JD offers the most, that’s the deal to make. If JD offers 10 and the Commanders offer a 2nd the Seahawks would be idiots to pass over JDs offer. But if it’s 10 vs 11 it could be argued either way that the deals are equal and they can take whichever one they want
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The media consistently laughs at how poor of a trade ot was. SEA know they got fleeced. If you don't think the human element comes into play for future decisions I don't know what to tell you
We're still an out of conference team with a shitload of draft picks.
If DK was available (and I think it's pretty clear unfortunately that he's not), we'd be a prime destination for them, regardless of how the Jamal trade shook out.
RE: Will Fuller on a prove it deal, I'd love to see that, but if a team was going to offer him such a deal and he was inclined to take it, I could see him reuniting with his boy in Cleveland to play opposite Cooper.
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The media consistently laughs at how poor of a trade ot was. SEA know they got fleeced. If you don't think the human element comes into play for future decisions I don't know what to tell you
Of course you don't, because you know you're being stupid. "I'm not doing a deal with him that makes sense because I fucked up last time I traded with him and I'm scared" isn't a thing, this isn't the same as you being mad with the car dealership because the nasty salesman made you all confused and made you buy the undercoating you didn't want. They're professional deal makers and negotiators who have risen to the top of their game; give a sales guy who got beat on a deal a second bite at the same customer and he'll double down on trying to win.
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Of course you don't, because you know you're being stupid. "I'm not doing a deal with him that makes sense because I fucked up last time I traded with him and I'm scared" isn't a thing, this isn't the same as you being mad with the car dealership because the nasty salesman made you all confused and made you buy the undercoating you didn't want. They're professional deal makers and negotiators who have risen to the top of their game; give a sales guy who got beat on a deal a second bite at the same customer and he'll double down on trying to win.
Lol
Tell that to all the past gms who wouldn't trade with the pats and giants
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https://twitter.com/jacksettleman/status/1506755466860236806?s=21
Who the freak is this doofus and why is he giving me a glimmer of hope that DK's actually available.
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Lol
Tell that to all the past gms who wouldn't trade with the pats and giants
Yes, but that's not because they'd previously been on the wrong end of a deal, is it? It's because of club rivalries.
As mj says, we're an optimal club for the Seahawks to deal with and there's absolutely no chance that Schneider refuses to do it because he's scared.
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Yes, but that's not because they'd previously been on the wrong end of a deal, is it? It's because of club rivalries.
As mj says, we're an optimal club for the Seahawks to deal with and there's absolutely no chance that Schneider refuses to do it because he's scared.
Schneider isn't doing us any favors...don't be delusional.
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Schneider isn't doing us any favors...don't be delusional.
How was anything he said delusional?
Nobody is doing the Jets or anyone favors. It is a business. And thats why the Seahawks would do business again with the Jets. It isn't like we hid an injury or something. The Seahawks knew what they were getting and nobody knew the Russ stuff would blow up this quickly.
Maybe Schneider will think a little harder when dealing with Douglas but if the Jets offer the best deal, Schneider is not passing that up out of spite.
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Schneider isn't doing us any favors...don't be delusional.
Considering the Jets clearly have the most from which to deal in terms of draft picks, and a clear interest, it'd be delusional of Schneider to not engage because he overpaid for Jamal two years ago.
That's horrible, horrible business.
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How was anything he said delusional?
Nobody is doing the Jets or anyone favors. It is a business. And thats why the Seahawks would do business again with the Jets. It isn't like we hid an injury or something. The Seahawks knew what they were getting and nobody knew the Russ stuff would blow up this quickly.
Maybe Schneider will think a little harder when dealing with Douglas but if the Jets offer the best deal, Schneider is not passing that up out of spite.
I doubt Schneider takes the call
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Considering the Jets clearly have the most from which to deal in terms of draft picks, and a clear interest, it'd be delusional of Schneider to not engage because he overpaid for Jamal two years ago.
That's horrible, horrible business.
Schneider isn't good at his job...so expect "horrible, horrible" business decisions.
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Considering the Jets clearly have the most from which to deal in terms of draft picks, and a clear interest, it'd be delusional of Schneider to not engage because he overpaid for Jamal two years ago.
That's horrible, horrible business.
Counterpoint: there is the Yankee tax where teams make unreasonable demands in trade negotiations with us and then take a lesser return from another team
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The Falcons just admitted they took a lesser deal from the Colts for Matty Ice.
Sometimes the best deal doesn't happen.
GMs are human, they're not robots. So if Schneider harbors any bad feels from the Adams deal, it will affect any deal for Metcalf from the jets. Whether it's a higher price or hanging up the phone.
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The Falcons just admitted they took a lesser deal from the Colts for Matty Ice.
Sometimes the best deal doesn't happen.
GMs are human, they're not robots. So if Schneider harbors any bad feels from the Adams deal, it will affect any deal for Metcalf from the jets. Whether it's a higher price or hanging up the phone.
Yes. If he's a bad GM he will let that stop him.
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Counterpoint: there is the Yankee tax where teams make unreasonable demands in trade negotiations with us and then take a lesser return from another team
At a guess that's because a) with no cap the Yankees can afford better players which means that the Yankees will have better things to trade, and b) it seems to me as a non-aficionado that everyone hates the Yankees for being wealthy and usually good and doesn't want them to get better.
I don't think either of those things apply to the Jets.
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The Falcons just admitted they took a lesser deal from the Colts for Matty Ice.
Sometimes the best deal doesn't happen.
GMs are human, they're not robots. So if Schneider harbors any bad feels from the Adams deal, it will affect any deal for Metcalf from the jets. Whether it's a higher price or hanging up the phone.
“It was more important to us to do right by Matt than to try to maximize compensation,” Fontenot said, via Josh Kendall of TheAthletic.com. “We could have probably traded Matt to somewhere he didn’t want to be and gotten more. We said, ‘If we’re going to go down this road, we want to do right by Matt.'”
Literally the exact opposite of any Metcalf situation that might happen. They owe him nothing and if they do trade him, the only thing that matters is the return.
Imagine if Schneider was actually scared of trading with the Jets and then it came out (as it always does) that he accepted an offer lower than what we were offering. That would be a genuine career ender.
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i don't think hesitation from the seahawks to deal with us would come from whether or not they feel we fleeced them with the adams deal
the hesitation would come from using DK to get back picks they gave us in an embarrassingly good haul for us
let's say we give them #10 for DK. imagine trading DK Metcalf and a 1st round pick to net jamal adams. that's what it would come out to. that would go down as one of the WOAT trades across any sport
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i don't think hesitation from the seahawks to deal with us would come from whether or not they feel we fleeced them with the adams deal
the hesitation would come from using DK to get back picks they gave us in an embarrassingly good haul for us
let's say we give them #10 for DK. imagine trading DK Metcalf and a 1st round pick to net jamal adams. that's what it would come out to. that would go down as one of the WOAT trades across any sport
Yeah but trade trees can often be traced back to make people look dumb in retrospect. Everyone is blessed with 20/20 hindsight; the job of the GM is to make the decisions that make the team better tomorrow, not the ones that make him look less bad yesterday.
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Yeah but trade trees can often be traced back to make people look dumb in retrospect. Everyone is blessed with 20/20 hindsight; the job of the GM is to make the decisions that make the team better tomorrow, not the ones that make him look less bad yesterday.
It doesn't matter. Perception is reality and the media will kill him for it.
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It doesn't matter. Perception is reality and the media will kill him for it.
Not when you've been the GM for a decade and already built a dominant franchise that has a ring they won't, at least not enough that he'll care. Schneider is about as secure as any GM in the league right now.
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Forgive me for not being convinced that an NFL GM would forego more valuable compensation from a team they see once every four years or so because of a bad deal they made with said team in the past.
Especially when, lets be honest, said out of conference potential trading partner is a freaking doormat in every sense of the word.
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It doesn't matter. Perception is reality and the media will kill him for it.
If he drafts a stud with the pick, ain't nobody gonna kill him for it
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At a guess that's because a) with no cap the Yankees can afford better players which means that the Yankees will have better things to trade, and b) it seems to me as a non-aficionado that everyone hates the Yankees for being wealthy and usually good and doesn't want them to get better.
I don't think either of those things apply to the Jets.
The point is GMs aren't business robots and they let subjective ideas influence their dealings.
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Not when you've been the GM for a decade and already built a dominant franchise that has a ring they won't, at least not enough that he'll care. Schneider is about as secure as any GM in the league right now.
lol
Schneider isn't secure....especially after he just traded away his franchise QB. If anything, his seat is getting quite warm.
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Schneider might be the most overrated GM in the league. He was fortunate not to get let go after last season.
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Will be interesting to see if the Jets get another free agent WR in the mid tier or Keelan Cole-type. Or do they just wait until the draft altogether.
I don't think the Jets are going to find anyone else in trade or free agency that is anywhere near Tyreek.
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Will be interesting to see if the Jets get another free agent WR in the mid tier or Keelan Cole-type. Or do they just wait until the draft altogether.
I don't think the Jets are going to find anyone else in trade or free agency that is anywhere near Tyreek.
It would be pretty inadvisable to go into the draft with what we have on hand now, IMO. I know some people felt similarly about the OL this time last year but then we felt better after the AVT pick.
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It would be pretty inadvisable to go into the draft with what we have on hand now, IMO. I know some people felt similarly about the OL this time last year but then we felt better after the AVT pick.
I didn't really feel better until after we signed Moses. We need a veteran receiver.
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I didn't really feel better until after we signed Moses. We need a veteran receiver.
The Commanders are a stupid franchise....Douglas should attempt to pry Scary Terry McLaurin from them.
6'0, 210lbs, 26 years old and runs a 4.35 40. Let's dance.
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The Commanders are a stupid franchise....Douglas should attempt to pry Scary Terry McLaurin from them.
6'0, 210lbs, 26 years old and runs a 4.35 40. Let's dance.
I'm on board but it won't happen
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1506981900002512899?t=FNUgtb6Qvni336XZReOrgg&s=19
I'm here for all the bullshit rumors. I'm drunk, on vaca.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1506981900002512899?t=FNUgtb6Qvni336XZReOrgg&s=19
I'm here for all the bullshit rumors. I'm drunk, on vaca.
time to jump off the nearest dock and let nature freak you in the derriere.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1506981900002512899?t=FNUgtb6Qvni336XZReOrgg&s=19
I'm here for all the bullshit rumors. I'm drunk, on vaca.
That's the one I'd push all my chips into the center of the table for.
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That's the one I'd push all my chips into the center of the table for.
Given all the “I want them to draft you” stuff last year that came out about Brown. If he forced his way out, you have to think he would actually pick us
But why on earth would the titans move him?
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But why on earth would the titans move him?
They won't.
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Given all the “I want them to draft you” stuff last year that came out about Brown. If he forced his way out, you have to think he would actually pick us
But why on earth would the titans move him?
Yes.
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They won't.
Wasn’t he drafted 3 years ago in the second round? If so that would mean he is in the negotiation for a long term deal phase
In theory, negotiations could be a disaster behind the scenes like Hill’s were
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Speaking on a radio show Thursday, Seahawks GM John Schneider said "There's a sense of shock when you see where the [salary] numbers are going, especially at [wide receiver]."
DK Metcalf is entering the final year of his contract. "We love him," Schneider said of Metcalf, "Everybody in the building loves him. Specifically with extensions and contract situations, we don't get into that." Pete Carroll said a couple of days ago that the Seahawks would do "everything we can" to extent Metcalf before the 2022 season, so this is a new tone coming off Tyreek Hill's massive new contract. Metcalf, who will hit free agency at 25, will be in line for his own monster payday.
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Basically Jd should be calling any team with a young stud #1 and saying don’t wanna pay your guy? Let’s make a deal
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While everything inside me says trading high value picks plus a record setting contract is a terrible idea for a wideout
It's Zach or bust time.
If we can get dk for 10, a 2nd, and 30 million a year, I'm in.
I'm sure I've said multiple times how retarded this idea is, but freak it. It's Zach or burn it all down
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I wonder if these contracts are putting pressure on the texans.
Joe go get Cooks!
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Feel pretty confident that we'll be able to trade for one of these upper echelon receivers in the near future but we may have to wait a little while now.
Might make sense to trade some of our capital in this year's draft for capital in next year's for continued flexibility.
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Feel pretty confident that we'll be able to trade for one of these upper echelon receivers in the near future but we may have to wait a little while now.
Might make sense to trade some of our capital in this year's draft for capital in next year's for continued flexibility.
Big proponent of trading down from 4 our 10 to pick up a future first.
I think it's going to take one of these GM's being suckered by a Pro Day/smitten with one of the QB's.
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Feel pretty confident that we'll be able to trade for one of these upper echelon receivers in the near future but we may have to wait a little while now.
Might make sense to trade some of our capital in this year's draft for capital in next year's for continued flexibility.
I expect this is the goal of the message JD had tossed out there in trying to get an additional top pick next year. If we didn’t get “our guy” this year, we want the flexibility to do so next year, but still have some additional assets to add great talent in the draft.
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Big proponent of trading down from 4 our 10 to pick up a future first.
I think it's going to take one of these GM's being suckered by a Pro Day/smitten with one of the QB's.
My eyes are on Carolina at 6. We already own their 2 this year which means they have to give us next years one to go up for their QB. Secondly, dropping from 4 would essentially mean Sauce is definitely still on the board, potentially Pass rusher 3 as well if the Giants go OL first, which I expect them to do.
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My eyes are on Carolina at 6. We already own their 2 this year which means they have to give us next years one to go up for their QB. Secondly, dropping from 4 would essentially mean Sauce is definitely still on the board, potentially Pass rusher 3 as well if the Giants go OL first, which I expect them to do.
I don't think Carolina are trading up, I think you're hoping someone falls in love with a QB to get ahead of them. They have too many roster problems to give up any picks.
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I don't think Carolina are trading up, I think you're hoping someone falls in love with a QB to get ahead of them. They have too many roster problems to give up any picks.
And yet they were about to trade the farm for Watson. I’ve learned never to underestimate a desperate man, and Tepper appears to be a desperate man.
Is it likely? Of course not. But it’s nice to dream while we can
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And yet they were about to trade the farm for Watson. I’ve learned never to underestimate a desperate man, and Tepper appears to be a desperate man.
Is it likely? Of course not. But it’s nice to dream while we can
If Carolina get the fear that someone is going to jump them then maybe, but I don't think anyone is that desperate for a sub-elite QB crop to give up a lot to get that high. Maybe there are two QBs they like enough at 6 and figure they aren't going to get jumped twice. It's not impossible that Carolina want to trade to 4 but I don't see them as that likely a candidate.
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If Carolina get the fear that someone is going to jump them then maybe, but I don't think anyone is that desperate for a sub-elite QB crop to give up a lot to get that high. Maybe there are two QBs they like enough at 6 and figure they aren't going to get jumped twice. It's not impossible that Carolina want to trade to 4 but I don't see them as that likely a candidate.
Hard to argue against that
But I’ll try anyways. In a sub optimal QB crop, if there is only 1 guy, supply and demand says that it’s more likely to fetch a higher cost. It also means if Carolina believes there is only one QB, then they have to get that guy or they’ve got nothing. Just convince them that Atlanta or Washington or Minnesota or whomever wants to make a deal and we might be able to scare them into a move.
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https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1507492979598102533?t=uuS_51pewfWnR9pnaXDTnQ&s=19
Can't honestly say I'd pay any of these guys a lot of money.
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https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1507492979598102533?t=uuS_51pewfWnR9pnaXDTnQ&s=19
Can't honestly say I'd pay any of these guys a lot of money.
I hadn't realised Julio was still looking for a home. I wouldn't give him $20M but for the right price I would absolutely have him at the Jets.
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I hadn't realised Julio was still looking for a home. I wouldn't give him $20M but for the right price I would absolutely have him at the Jets.
I'd say most of these guys will probably end up being 1 year mercenaries for a contender.
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I'd say most of these guys will probably end up being 1 year mercenaries for a contender.
Sure, but if he was willing to come to the Jets you'd have him, no?
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Sure, but if he was willing to come to the Jets you'd have him, no?
Yeah. I figure we'd have to overpay for him though and it won't be worth it.
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I’d take Calais Campbell for sure. You won’t get better locker room guy and he’s still got some time left in him as a rotational piece.
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I’d take Calais Campbell for sure. You won’t get better locker room guy and he’s still got some time left in him as a rotational piece.
Every one of those guys has a little bit left in the tank. I wouldn’t be opposed to adding one or more of them in the run up to the draft or after it’s finished. The guy that I think would provide the “best bang for the buck” is probably Melvin Gordon. As a rotational back who gets maybe 150-200 touches on the season, I think he’d be a great add. Also it would allow us to fire Ty Johnson and LaMichael Perine into the sun when we draft a back in the 5th next month
In looking at that list again I don’t think there’s a single guy on that list that wouldn’t make us better. But they are all running out of time and don’t have much left. Not to mention the name recognition is going to cost us a bunch of dollars. So I can’t imagine we get more than one guy off this list in total.
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I'd pass on all of them unless its a decent deal, which it won't be. We aren't in a place to need a 1 year vet getting big money. Campbell certainly would help, but why pay him north of $10 million for 1 year?
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I'd pass on all of them unless its a decent deal, which it won't be. We aren't in a place to need a 1 year vet getting big money. Campbell certainly would help, but why pay him north of $10 million for 1 year?
I don’t expect the price tag on Calais to make him unattainable, but obviously we’re not over-paying for a guy in his position.
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A lot of these guys will still be available after the draft, not all, but most. That’s what happens to aging vets who are hanging on at the end. They want to be paid for what they have done, the teams want to pay them for what they will do for them so they sit around waiting. Eventually teams run low on cap space and can’t pay these guys big money, so they either wait “for the right offer” or they go play for what someone will pay.
I expect 1/2 this list or more to be on the board until the weekend after the draft. Then several guys will sign smaller than “expected” deals to play this year. If we miss out on certain positions in the draft I’d gladly bring in 1-2 year stop gap guys from this list to solidify a position group or round out a rotation.
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https://twitter.com/1kalwaysopen_/status/1507750031612334090?t=lzxSdCaz0G838BAXYkXs4g&s=19
Prolly nothing but I'll fire out a boner.
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https://twitter.com/1kalwaysopen_/status/1507750031612334090?t=lzxSdCaz0G838BAXYkXs4g&s=19
Prolly nothing but I'll fire out a boner.
Could you imagine adding AJ Brown and then still drafting Jameson Williams? Good lord man that would be fun…
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Speaking Monday, 49ers GM John Lynch said Dee Ford will not be back with the team in 2022.
Ford's 31-year-old back has completely derailed his time in San Francisco, and the Niners are going to release him at some point this offseason. Lynch said the timing of that is still being worked out with Ford rehabbing his latest setback. Acquired from the Chiefs ahead of the 2019 season, Ford played in just 18 of a possible 49 games since the trade, and only seven over the last two years. Ford can likely still contribute off the edge if healthy, but that's a big "if."
Might be a bargain guy to throw in the rotation. Familiar with the scheme.
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Might be a bargain guy to throw in the rotation. Familiar with the scheme.
At least his injury history is mostly upper body, which wouldn't be exacerbated by our stupid shitty field.
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Might be a bargain guy to throw in the rotation. Familiar with the scheme.
League minimum do it.
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At least his injury history is mostly upper body, which wouldn't be exacerbated by our stupid shitty field.
Trips. Catches arm in random hole in the field. Completely tears forearm muscles off of the bones.
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Trips. Catches arm in random hole in the field. Completely tears forearm muscles off of the bones.
"Blake Cashman injured when hearing the news"
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"Blake Cashman injured when hearing the news"
https://youtu.be/njO8mmr2MoQ (https://youtu.be/njO8mmr2MoQ)
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What are the odds dee Ford is on this team this coming season after the 49ers literally saying he will be gone at some point
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What are the odds dee Ford is on this team this coming season after the 49ers literally saying he will be gone at some point
Depends on if we get an edge and If he’s healthy. Dudes played like 7 of the past 50 potential games. He is not the same guy the 49ers traded for any more. If we get an edge at 4 our rotation is
Lawson
4
Martin
Huff
JFM
I’m not sure we can ask for more there. If anything we will need more interior guys, which is why I expect HFM to largely move back inside this year
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What are the odds dee Ford is on this team this coming season after the 49ers literally saying he will be gone at some point
Huff, lawson, Martin are all similar players. If one of those guys doesnt make the team i could see us picking up ford, but otherwise I think we will be looking for a bigger end to play on the opposite side of our speed rusher.
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Huff, lawson, Martin are all similar players. If one of those guys doesnt make the team i could see us picking up ford, but otherwise I think we will be looking for a bigger end to play on the opposite side of our speed rusher.
We already have JFM
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We already have JFM
And his back up is who? They need another depth piece behind him. Any signing we make at edge will likely be his backup.
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And his back up is who?
Zuniga, baby
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https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player-news/10699281?category=headlines&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The Athletic's Mike Sando reports the Jets have been turned down by several free agents this offseason.
An NFL executive told Sando that the Jets "were in on a ton of guys and got nobody," including Tyreek Hill, who chose the Dolphins over the Jets when Kansas City granted him permission to seek a trade in March. “They don’t have a selling point to players right now," the executive said. "People don’t know what to think of Zach Wilson, players don’t necessarily covet playing in that market, and guys who have choices tend to wind up elsewhere. They are in this weird purgatory.” New York this offseason has signed second and third-tier free agents like Tyler Conklin, C.J. Uzomah, G Laken Tomlinson, and S Jordan Whitehead while failing to land a splash free agency signing despite plenty of cap space. An improved performance form Zach Wilson in 2022 would go a long way in luring big-name free agents to the Jets next offseason. It would be exceedingly difficult for Wilson to be worse than he was as a rookie.
Source: The Athletic
Apr 11, 2022, 8:19 AM ET
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How does a Seattle writer know that? Probably a Seattle exec butthurt over the Jamal Adams trade.
Yeah, we got turned down by Tyreek Hill, who chose to go back to his home state that has no income tax.
We got one of the top interior offensive linemen in free agency, but got nobody? Makes a lot of sense.
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How does a Seattle writer know that? Probably a Seattle exec butthurt over the Jamal Adams trade.
Yeah, we got turned down by Tyreek Hill, who chose to go back to his home state that has no income tax.
We got one of the top interior offensive linemen in free agency, but got nobody? Makes a lot of sense.
I stopped reading after he called Uzomah and Conklin second and third tier FAs
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I stopped reading after he called Uzomah and Conklin second and third tier FAs
Top 25 free agent Laken Tomlinson is third tier
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I’d like to know who turned us down (that we had a fair offer on) aside from Hill and Marcus Williams. Hill went all in on the money and Williams chose the contender. Who else were we competitive for and didn’t get?
Rumors of Chandler Jones but did we actually offer what the Raiders did? I’d be very surprised
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The article makes sense regarding big names, but I don't know that there's any real info behind it, probably just them guessing.
Imagine you are a top tier WR and you have a few teams interested. You want a productive QB to keep your numbers up for the next contract. The Jets as they are now aren't going to be high on your list unless they blow you out of the water with cash. Wilson could be the next big QB, but he didn't do anything to make it obvious last year.
Opposite argument is that the Dolphins aren't good at QB either, but they landed Hill. Some argued the no-tax deal there, who knows.
I know I've been down more than most on this team, but in the real world, it takes more for us to get free agent talent than an already good team.
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I’d like to know who turned us down (that we had a fair offer on) aside from Hill and Marcus Williams. Hill went all in on the money and Williams chose the contender. Who else were we competitive for and didn’t get?
Rumors of Chandler Jones but did we actually offer what the Raiders did? I’d be very surprised
Honey Badger telling his agent to take meetings with JD just to cancel them out of spite.
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Honey Badger telling his agent to take meetings with JD just to cancel them out of spite.
My sources said Drew Rosenhaus is calling JD and just breathing into the phone when he picks up
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I mean, we have a ton of cap space and were involved in a few guys that didn't come here.
That seems entirely logical. We will have to pay a Jets tax until we prove we aren't a horrible franchise, and Zach Wilson's development is paramount to that.
Uzomah and Conklin are nice additions, but both are average at best starting tight ends. Both are big upgrades, and putting the 2 together opens up a lot of things, but it's not like they're superstars.
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I just love how the topic of free agents not wanting to come here was centered on Tyreek Hill, who was never a free agent
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https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player-news/10699281?category=headlines&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
We've won six games in two years. Obviously there's going to be some hesitancy among the top free agents signing with a franchise that hasn't turned it around yet. In spite of that, Laken Tomlinson came here to play for his former coaches. DJ Reed came here to play for his former coach. Jordan Whitehead came here to play for Robert Saleh.
This lame-derriere take belongs in the Gase era. Now there's a lover of the older lady professionals didn't and shouldn't have wanted to play for.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Free-agent linebacker Kwon Alexander, who previously played for Robert Saleh in San Francisco, is visiting the New York Jets today, per source.
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in b4 he's put on the IR
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in b4 he's put on the IR
Blake Blashman?
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Well at least they realize they need another body. Guy got paid a excrement ton to be a meh linebacker. So hopefully he is the opposite for us. Guy getting paid peanuts to be an ok backer
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Well at least they realize they need another body. Guy got paid a excrement ton to be a meh linebacker. So hopefully he is the opposite for us. Guy getting paid peanuts to be an ok backer
Kwon actually thrived under Saleh in SF...but i dont' trust him to stay healthy.
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Jets re-sign Jeff Smith, three other exclusive rights free agents.
lol
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Jets re-sign Jeff Smith, three other exclusive rights free agents.
lol
Jeff Smith will outlast all current Jets.
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Cool
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Jets re-sign Jeff Smith, three other exclusive rights free agents.
lol
Pretty sure they're just doing it to troll Heis at this point.
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if he makes the special teams roster there's no way mims escapes a cut if you make the assumption he arrives to preseason with us, which is also a huge reach at this point
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1517254103331708928?t=If_s6fVp47m5PMSn37H--g&s=19
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1517254103331708928?t=If_s6fVp47m5PMSn37H--g&s=19
Bringing dudes in just to get the scoop on Deebo.
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Bringing dudes in just to get the scoop on Deebo.
Laken Tomlinson, Marcel Harris, Ronald Blair....
With or without Deebo, any chance they sign the Niners' 'Gold Rush' to replace the Flight Crew?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/San_Francisco_49er_Cheerleader.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/SF_Gold_Rush_pregame_8-29-08_1.JPG/640px-SF_Gold_Rush_pregame_8-29-08_1.JPG)
Our current 'Bridge & Tunnel' slop.... :-l
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/New_York_Jets_cheerleaders.jpg/357px-New_York_Jets_cheerleaders.jpg)
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
“I was with Kwon. Love him to death. When you talk about all-gas .. he’s phenomenal” - Robert Saleh
Says it comes down “to how it works with contracts”
IOW we're not willing to pay him anything close to the bonkers contract he got from the Niners.
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I assume this is nothing more than name dropping by Cimini.
But he suggests the Jets view Erik Fisher as a potential Morgan Moses 2.0
However I see absolutely nothing to suggest this is more than speculation
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I assume this is nothing more than name dropping by Cimini.
But he suggests the Jets view Erik Fisher as a potential Morgan Moses 2.0
However I see absolutely nothing to suggest this is more than speculation
If Fisher wants to come here and be a backup swing tackle for $5 million dollars this year, I bet we would sign him. Has that SB pedigree we have been after this offseason, older player who can teach our young guys some stuff, and still seemed to play well at times last year in Indy. I see no downside to that move at all.