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Title: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 08, 2022, 06:56:47 PM
Fangio expected to be out in Denver

Zimmer expected to be out in Minnesota

Gettleman retiring from the Giants
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 08, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
Saleh should hire Fangio or Zimmer
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 08, 2022, 07:18:47 PM
Sounds like Rhule will be back, but Fitterer will take full control over personnel decisions.

The Panthers fan is not happy (about Rhule coming back, not about him having personnel control taken away).
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2022, 07:19:02 PM
Saleh should hire Fangio or Zimmer

yeah...we were talking about this earlier on messenger.


Bring in Fangio and send Ulbrich packing.  Draft Nakobe Dean in the 2nd round, and have Fangio transform him into Patrick Willis.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 08, 2022, 07:27:10 PM
yeah...we were talking about this earlier on messenger.


Bring in Fangio and send Ulbrich packing.  Draft Nakobe Dean in the 2nd round, and have Fangio transform him into Patrick Willis.

Dean is not making it to the second round.

Bring in Fangio/Zimmer to help Ulbrich.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2022, 07:29:12 PM
Dean is not making it to the second round.

Bring in Fangio/Zimmer to help Ulbrich.

No way either of those guys will work under Ulbrich. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 08, 2022, 07:35:19 PM
No way either of those guys will work under Ulbrich. 

They can work with him as co-defensive coordinator
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2022, 07:48:24 PM
They can work with him as co-defensive coordinator
HC to co-defensive coordinator.

I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 08, 2022, 08:01:35 PM
I still think the best course of action is for Saleh to just take over as play-caller. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on January 08, 2022, 08:34:19 PM
HC to co-defensive coordinator.

I highly doubt it.

Depends on how far the fall from grace is. Doug Marrone is an OL coach at Alabama. I fully expect Fangio to be in demand as a DC and I expect Zimmer will as well, but it’s not impossible that a HC drops down the ladder a few rungs after not getting the job done
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 09:22:43 AM
Fangio fired
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: delavan on January 09, 2022, 09:23:21 AM
Matt Nagy in Chicago - he's holding future MVP/HOF'er Justin Fields back

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2022/1/8/22872794/bears-matt-nagy-vikings-sunday-figures-be-end-head-coach-fire-mitch-trubisky-justin-fields-ryan-pace
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2022, 09:27:28 AM
Forgot about Nagy. That means that at a minimum the following teams are looking for head coaches:

Jacksonville
Chicago
Minnesota
Vegas
Denver

With outside possibilities of Seattle, Carolina, Houston, Cleveland and the Giants.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Schefter and Mort think Zimmer and Nagy are next to go

Bevell is a foregone conclusion
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 09, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Carolina isn’t firing Rhule
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 09:55:48 AM
Carolina isn’t firing Rhule
Stefanski's job is safe too
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 10:12:32 AM
Per Schefter

Carolina looking at Bill O'Brien and Jay Gruden for their OC position
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 11:00:07 AM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
2h
The #Lions and OC Anthony Lynn are expected to part ways following today’s game, sources say. One of the more respected leaders as a HC, it was never a good fit as OC for Lynn in Detroit. He had play-calling duties stripped earlier, and now both sides appear set to walk away.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2022, 11:15:15 AM
Steelers GM is stepping down, but not until after the draft.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 11:19:33 AM
Steelers GM is stepping down, but not until after the draft.

interesting.  Colbert has been the Steelers GM since 2000.


I wonder this is some behind the scenes excrement to bring him to the Giants.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
interesting.  Colbert has been the Steelers GM since 2000.


I wonder this is some behind the scenes excrement to bring him to the Giants.

Expected to retire.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 11:30:19 AM
Expected to retire.

lucky bastard
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 11:36:20 AM
Jay Glazer expects Houston to fire David Culley after 1 season.


This is significant for us, because if the Jets lose today....that means Saleh could be coaching in the Senior Bowl.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2022, 11:41:42 AM
Jay Glazer expects Houston to fire David Culley after 1 season.


This is significant for us, because if the Jets lose today....that means Saleh could be coaching in the Senior Bowl.

They're probably a bit less toxic a job this year than they were in 21, but considering where they've come from I think Culley's actually done a better job than anyone realistically expected.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Miamipuck on January 09, 2022, 11:45:08 AM
They're probably a bit less toxic a job this year than they were in 21, but considering where they've come from I think Culley's actually done a better job than anyone realistically expected.

Then again that organization is run by so called Chaplain con artist, although you can say they go hand in hand.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2022, 01:37:04 PM
I need more firings.

#thirstforblood
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 09, 2022, 03:06:17 PM
https://twitter.com/doulbedoink/status/1480283683672125441?s=21

Hahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 09, 2022, 03:09:43 PM
https://twitter.com/doulbedoink/status/1480283683672125441?s=21

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Deleted... what was it?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
Deleted... what was it?
Looks like a prank tweet saying Nagy was not being fired.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 08:28:35 AM
Matt Nagy fired per Florio


Happy Black Monday!
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 08:31:45 AM
Vikings cleaned house....firing both HC Mike Zimmer and GM Rick Spielman
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
Wow...Brian Flores fired too.  Surprise of the day so far.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 08:38:04 AM
Wow...Brian Flores fired too.  Surprise of the day so far.

Rapoport says it was a power struggle between him and Grier.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 08:48:42 AM
Flores takes the fall for Grier taking Tua over Herbert

I'm happy to see him out of Miami.  He's very good with lots of potential. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 08:51:02 AM
I think Jacksonville and Miami are in a race for Bill O'Brien.

O'Brien to Miami means Deshaun Watson likely comes in with him.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 08:55:15 AM
WTF?  They fired Flores?  Throw all the $$ at him to be DC here.  Won't happen but still.

Edit:  Maybe he's an poopchute, I don't know.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 08:56:09 AM
Jeff Darlington
@JeffDarlington
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
WTF?  They fired Flores?  Throw all the $$ at him to be DC here.  Won't happen but still.

Edit:  Maybe he's an poopchute, I don't know.

I'd be shocked if Flores doesn't wind up getting one of the HC vacancies currently out there.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
I think Jacksonville and Miami are in a race for Bill O'Brien.

O'Brien to Miami means Deshaun Watson likely comes in with him.

I like this idea. I mean, I don't like it one bit, but I think it makes a lot of sense.

It probably means that Tua ends up in Houston, which in turn means that Flores doesn't.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:03:16 AM
Minnesota should hire Flores
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
Flores will land on his feet somewhere.  He seemed like a team builder and I'm pretty confident that his players loved him.

Sounds like Ross sided with Grier here and that's why the Dolphins will continue to stink. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:04:29 AM
I like this idea. I mean, I don't like it one bit, but I think it makes a lot of sense.

It probably means that Tua ends up in Houston, which in turn means that Flores doesn't.

Rappaport was saying Flores was a big reason why Watson wanted Miami.  I hope his firing changes Watson's mind.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:05:07 AM
Minnesota should hire Flores

After Frazier and Zimmer I imagine they're in "want a coach from the offensive side" mode. Which I know doesn't make sense logically, but it is how teams often operate.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:05:11 AM
Flores will land on his feet somewhere.  He seemed like a team builder and I'm pretty confident that his players loved him.

Sounds like Ross sided with Grier here and that's why the Dolphins will continue to stink. 

I heard Miami had the top D this year....someone will scoop up Flores pretty fast. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:06:09 AM
After Frazier and Zimmer I imagine they're in "want a coach from the offensive side" mode. Which I know doesn't make sense logically, but it is how teams often operate.

I was going to mention this, but then Spielman was also fired.  So it will depend on what their new GM decides to do.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:06:43 AM
I heard Miami had the top D this year....someone will scoop up Flores pretty fast. 

We probably have to give Boyer some credit for that as well, his pedigree is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:08:01 AM
We probably have to give Boyer some credit for that as well, his pedigree is pretty impressive.

boyer is quietly one of the top ST coordinators in the league.  It says something when you can survive a Gase regime and still retain your job.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:08:17 AM
Rappaport was saying Flores was a big reason why Watson wanted Miami.  I hope his firing changes Watson's mind.

Maybe Caserio reunites with Flores and Watson agrees to stay in Houston.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:08:53 AM
boyer is quietly one of the top ST coordinators in the league.  It says something when you can survive a Gase regime and still retain your job.

Josh Boyer, Miami's DC. Not Brad, who gets no credit for the performance of Miami's D.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:09:09 AM
Maybe Caserio reunites with Flores and Watson agrees to stay in Houston.

that would be an interesting twist.  But i'm sure that bridge has been burned to the ground.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:09:35 AM
Josh Boyer, Miami's DC. Not Brad, who gets no credit for the performance of Miami's D.

you mean Brant Boyer.

Brad Boyer doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
Jeff Darlington
@JeffDarlington
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami.

Does "constant staff changes" refer to Flores' coaching staff or the organization staff overall?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:11:42 AM
Does "constant staff changes" refer to Flores' coaching staff or the organization staff overall?

Flores fired a crappy OC and took playcalling duties away from a struggling DC.  The changes he made were for the best.  I don't get this one.  Seems like Grier pulled an Easterby.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:12:18 AM
We probably have to give Boyer some credit for that as well, his pedigree is pretty impressive.

Flores took the defense away from him during their losing streak and turned things around. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:15:07 AM
you mean Brant Boyer.

Brad Boyer doesn't exist.

Sure. But I was actually talking about Josh Boyer.

Glad we got all this cleared up.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:15:38 AM
Flores took the defense away from him during their losing streak and turned things around. 

You follow the Dolphins more closely than me, clearly.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 09:17:03 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1480549782565310464
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:18:15 AM
I watch a lot of defensive football just in case there's a slim chance I hang up my sales manager shoes and go back into the wide world of coaching. 

Flores is one of the best in the business at disguising coverages.  It helps to have an all-world corner on one side of the field too though...
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:19:04 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1480549782565310464

all this means is they're definitely in on Harbaugh.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:19:34 AM
Sounds like Miami is after Doug Pederson
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:23:38 AM
Sounds like Miami is after Doug Pederson

i still don't know how Pederson got fired.  This would be bad for us.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 09:24:26 AM
i still don't know how Pederson got fired.  This would be bad for us.

No faith in Stephen Ross.

He’s one of the few owners worse than Woody.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:27:07 AM
No faith in Stephen Ross.

He’s one of the few owners worse than Woody.

maybe the Black Monday gods will shine upon us and the Phins will hire Mike Tice
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 09:28:59 AM
I'm happy the Jets aren't having to be a part of this excrement for once.  This year at least.

#Cleanhouse2023
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 09:50:16 AM
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
·
12m
Houston Texans aren’t expected to have any announcements today regarding head coach David Culley, will be in evaluation phase of football operation over next few days. Seems like this one still up in the air.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: delavan on January 10, 2022, 10:37:29 AM
Jets: secure GM and HC on the same page, upcoming draft picks galore, developing FQB with 4th highest cap $$$ - FA's take note.



you mean Brant Boyer.

Brad Boyer doesn't exist.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Clete_Boyer_-_New_York_Yankees.jpg)
http://1965topps.blogspot.com/2010/01/475-clete-boyer.html
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on January 10, 2022, 10:58:54 AM
^I once met a very hung over Clete Boyer in Cooperstown. SUPER nice guy but blasted a rather loud fart.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 11:04:25 AM
Quote
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
 · 4m
#Giants coach Joe Judge will meet with his players in a few minutes and the expectation is he will lead the meeting with an eye to the future, sources tell me and @RapSheet. Same tone was struck in a meeting with coaches a short while ago.

Quote
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
·
3m
My understanding is Joe Judge has not yet met with #Giants ownership. So there are more discussions to be had. We'll continue to monitor and update.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2022, 11:15:00 AM
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1480586103719702533?s=20



lol Giants
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2022, 12:41:08 PM
Panthers want to interview Pep Hamilton for OC.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2022, 12:44:05 PM
Panthers want to interview Pep Hamilton for OC.

He stinks
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
He stinks
Is he a rock star though?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2022, 02:13:37 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jack23straw/status/1480563100554338310?s=21
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 06:24:37 PM
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1480648913778524162?t=ekJsq7tIv15swMRCubg3FA&s=19
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2022, 11:36:37 AM
Panthers fired their ST co-ordinator and both line coaches. Starting to feel like we dodged a bullet with Rhule.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2022, 11:39:49 AM
Panthers fired their ST co-ordinator and both line coaches. Starting to feel like we dodged a bullet with Rhule.

I figured this out when he guaranteed Darnold's 5th year 10 seconds after he traded for him.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2022, 11:40:46 AM
Panthers fired their ST co-ordinator and both line coaches. Starting to feel like we dodged a bullet with Rhule.

Not siding with Maccagnan here, but maybe this is why he wasn't cool with Rhule's proposed coaching staff. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2022, 11:42:13 AM
Not siding with Maccagnan here, but maybe this is why he wasn't cool with Rhule's proposed coaching staff. 

Yeah. I thought Rhule looked great and I was pissed we blew it, but the Panthers fan hates him and says the whole team is a huge pile of dysfunction which Rhule blames on everyone but himself.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
Yeah. I thought Rhule looked great and I was pissed we blew it, but the Panthers fan hates him and says the whole team is a huge pile of dysfunction which Rhule blames on everyone but himself.

Yeah, it's very surprising.

He seemed like a really good coach at Temple and Baylor.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
Yeah, it's very surprising.

He seemed like a really good coach at Temple and Baylor.

Maybe Rhule just belongs at the College level....like Butch Davis
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2022, 12:55:29 PM
How many millions did Mac make Rhule by passing on him? No way Woody was going to hand him the contract Tepper did.

I never got the love for Rhule re: him being a can't miss candidate.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2022, 04:34:15 PM
Joe Judge, maybe?

https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1481030191304617985 (https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1481030191304617985)

EDIT: Joe Judge, definitely:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1481032212099252226 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1481032212099252226)
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2022, 02:13:39 PM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
3m
The #Texans are firing coach David Culley, per me and @MikeGarafolo
.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2022, 02:13:58 PM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
3m
The #Texans are firing coach David Culley, per me and @MikeGarafolo
.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Thanks for the Senior Bowl
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2022, 02:30:26 PM
Quote
ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
·
11m
David Culley made it clear he was being micromanaged during games by Nick Caserio. So does Caserio get fired, too?

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/705/934/3a7.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2022, 02:57:43 PM
Sounds like Flores to Houston
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 13, 2022, 03:28:31 PM
So Pete Carroll gets another year? 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2022, 03:33:00 PM
So Pete Carroll gets another year? 

They are meeting with him today, right?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2022, 03:53:49 PM
So Pete Carroll gets another year?
I forgot about that whole situation. I guess I stopped caring about Seattle as soon as the pick was set at 10.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2022, 05:13:37 PM
Mike Mayock fired
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 17, 2022, 06:24:06 PM
Quote
Austin Gayle
@PFF_AustinGayle

Raiders’ top-100 picks in the Mike Mayock era:

Alex Leatherwood
Trevon Moehrig
Malcolm Koonce
Divine Deablo

Henry Ruggs III
Damon Arnette
Lynn Bowden Jr.
Bryan Edwards
Tanner Muse

Clelin Ferrell
Josh Jacobs
Jonathan Abram
Trayvon Mullen

Looks like it's back to being a professional draft expert.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 17, 2022, 06:41:26 PM
I wonder how much harder Mayock has made it for a guy like Louis Riddick to get a GM job.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 17, 2022, 06:50:44 PM
I wonder how much harder Mayock has made it for a guy like Lance Riddick to get a GM job.

Louis Riddick?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 17, 2022, 06:53:02 PM
If Lieutenant Daniels is looking for a GM job then Joe Doug can pack his boxes right now. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 17, 2022, 06:57:37 PM
I wonder how much harder Mayock has made it for a guy like Lance Riddick to get a GM job.

riddick actually has experience in a front office

mayock was a network scout and did not have the above before he was hired by the raiders
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2022, 07:06:49 PM
Louis Riddick?
Riddick Bowe?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 18, 2022, 07:47:57 PM
Seahawks fire DC Ken Norton Jr.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 18, 2022, 08:26:28 PM
Seahawks fire DC Ken Norton Jr.

That should fix everything.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2022, 06:23:20 AM
That should fix everything.
They need moar luv
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 19, 2022, 08:25:24 AM
Louis Riddick?

Yes, that was who I was referring to.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2022, 10:51:51 AM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
7m
The #Giants have identified #Bills assistant GM Joe Schoen as their next GM, per me and @MikeGarafolo
. They will begin working on a deal. The right-hand man to Buffalo GM Brandon Beane is ready to run his own place. He’ll do it at NYG.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2022, 10:59:05 AM
Peter Schrager
@PSchrags
·
4m
The four potential HC names I would circle for new Giants GM Joe Schoen:

— Brian Daboll
— Leslie Frazier
— Brian Flores
— Dan Quinn



75% of those names would be a disaster.  I'm here for it.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2022, 11:19:46 AM
All of them could be a disaster. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2022, 11:28:20 AM
Have to believe they'll hire Daboll unless they commit to trying to acquire Watson, then I could see Flores going there.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2022, 11:29:13 AM
Have to believe they'll hire Daboll unless they commit to trying to acquire Watson, then I could see Flores going there.

Giants are way too classy to acquire Watson
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2022, 11:29:35 AM
Giants are way too classy to acquire Watson

That's what I've assumed.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
Daboll's going to convince the Giants that he can turn Daniel Jones into Josh Allen.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2022, 02:15:37 PM
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
2m
The #Vikings are requesting second interviews with #Chiefs executive director of player personnel Ryan Poles and #Browns VP of Football Operations Kwesi Adofo-Mensah for their GM job, per sources. As of now, those are the two finalists.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 21, 2022, 05:06:10 PM
The Giants are desperate. They are sufficiently embarrassed at this point to consider it. I don't think they pull the trigger either, but they are even more rudderless than we are.

Glad the Bills lose someone from their FO. Hopefully, this guy was a great assistant but a mediocre actual GM.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 21, 2022, 07:33:36 PM
Quote
Ravens fired DC Don Martindale.

Martindale, who had a year left on his contract, was one of the NFL's highest paid defensive coordinators. The Ravens took a step back under Martindale this season, going from a top-10 defense in his first three years to bottom-10 in total yards and finishing with the league's worst pass defense. Martindale's head coach interest has likely come and gone but he'll have no trouble resurfacing as a coordinator with another team this offseason. The Ravens could look to replace Martindale with someone on their current staff, with DL coach Anthony Weaver and defensive pass game coordinator Chris Hewitt potential in-house options.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 21, 2022, 07:40:21 PM
grueling six hour drive

what a puss
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 04:14:33 PM
Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
 · 6h
Via to @CannataPFN, he believes the Miami Dolphins are eyeing Cardinals DC Vance Joseph as their next head coach.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 24, 2022, 04:38:55 PM
Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
 · 6h
Via to @CannataPFN, he believes the Miami Dolphins are eyeing Cardinals DC Vance Joseph as their next head coach.

do it
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on January 24, 2022, 06:21:56 PM
Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
 · 6h
Via to @CannataPFN, he believes the Miami Dolphins are eyeing Cardinals DC Vance Joseph as their next head coach.

former Jets legend!

As Reuben said, do it.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: insanity on January 24, 2022, 07:50:23 PM

Weren't they one of the most injured defenses in the league?

This has to be about more than results.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2022, 12:57:40 PM
Sean Payton retired
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 01:01:44 PM
Sean Payton retired

not surprising....no franchise QB, one of the worst cap situations in the NFL.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 25, 2022, 01:04:42 PM
I feel they've had the worst cap situation in the NFL for a decade now.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 25, 2022, 01:14:38 PM
Quote
The team's next coach will inherit -$74,061,841 in cap space and a vacancy under center.

lmao
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 01:16:45 PM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
 · 1h
Bears are finalizing a deal to hire Chiefs’ Assistant Director of Player Personnel Ryan Poles as their next general manager, per league sources.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 01:21:16 PM
Are the Saints going to blow it up and go full fire sale?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 01:25:44 PM
Are the Saints going to blow it up and go full fire sale?

is Michael Thomas still under contract?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
is Michael Thomas still under contract?

I don't want him.  I'd take Ramcyzk, Peat, or Armstead though. 

Lattimore too.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2022, 01:36:04 PM
Saints should just hire David Culley and tank it out this year. I would never want my team to tank before the year even starts, but if there was ever a team that could be immensely helped by a tank, it's this team.  Eat a shitload of dead money this year, gather a ton of draft picks from trading expensive players and start over.  Everyone that isn't under a rookie contract should be tradeable.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 01:37:38 PM
I don't want him.  I'd take Ramcyzk, Peat, or Armstead though. 

Lattimore too.

Lattimore is a must have
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 01:37:54 PM
Lattimore is a must have

his cap hit is gnarly but we've got space
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 01:38:34 PM
his cap hit is gnarly but we've got space

send them pick 35, and get er done
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 25, 2022, 01:52:35 PM
https://twitter.com/damienwoody/status/1486052220252696576?s=21 (https://twitter.com/damienwoody/status/1486052220252696576?s=21)
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
Saints should just hire David Culley and tank it out this year. I would never want my team to tank before the year even starts, but if there was ever a team that could be immensely helped by a tank, it's this team.  Eat a shitload of dead money this year, gather a ton of draft picks from trading expensive players and start over.  Everyone that isn't under a rookie contract should be tradeable.
Imagine if that just became Culley's career. Tank commander. Put in an honest bad year and then move on to the next team.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2022, 02:09:52 PM
Imagine if that just became Culley's career. Tank commander. Put in an honest bad year and then move on to the next team.

"I suck and I'm not even trying to"
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 25, 2022, 02:11:03 PM
Imagine if that just became Culley's career. Tank commander. Put in an honest bad year and then move on to the next team.

Especially getting paid three season’s worth of a contract for every one season stint.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2022, 02:22:30 PM
Especially getting paid three season’s worth of a contract for every one season stint.
The Virgin Adam Gase: skips holiday family gathering to gameplan and loses anyway, ridiculed

The Chad David Culley: gets paid to lose and nobody minds
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 02:31:03 PM
Here's a TIL sports story:

During his Bounty Gate suspension, Sean Payton coached his son's sixth grade team.  They beat the hell out of everyone using a dumbed down version of the Saints playbook. 

BUT

One team destroyed them running a single wing (one of the easiest offenses to learn/teach).  You also don't need a lot of speed or size to run the single wing.

This pissed Payton off, so he got film from a parent (you read this correctly) and broke down this single wing offense with ...Bill fuckin' Parcells. 

They met again in the playoffs and lost to the single wing team again. 

So there are some random dads out there that out-schemed Sean Payton and Bill Parcells. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 25, 2022, 02:37:13 PM
Here's a TIL sports story:

During his Bounty Gate suspension, Sean Payton coached his son's sixth grade team.  They beat the hell out of everyone using a dumbed down version of the Saints playbook. 

BUT

One team destroyed them running a single wing (one of the easiest offenses to learn/teach).  You also don't need a lot of speed or size to run the single wing.

This pissed Payton off, so he got film from a parent (you read this correctly) and broke down this single wing offense with ...Bill fuckin' Parcells. 

They met again in the playoffs and lost to the single wing team again. 

So there are some random dads out there that out-schemed Sean Payton and Bill Parcells. 

I just finished.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
I really hope that's a true story.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 02:42:29 PM
I really hope that's a true story.

100% true
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: ons on January 25, 2022, 02:44:31 PM
I really hope that's a true story.

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-pop-warner-offense-that-confounded-sean-payton-and-what-it-says-about-offensive-innovation-in-the-nfl/

lmao

Quote
For those familiar with Sean Payton, it shouldn’t be a surprise that he took this seriously (well, at least mostly seriously). After losing to the Porcupines 38-6 in the regular season, Payton enlisted the help of some rather noteworthy former NFL coaches to help devise a plan that could slow down Springtown Orange’s offense. It didn’t work: Payton’s Warriors lost 58-18.

After the game, a gracious Payton spoke to both teams. “We spent all week, we talked to Bill Parcells and Jon Gruden and asked them how to defend the single wing,” said Payton. “You have no idea how much time we spent."


edit: too slow
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 02:45:00 PM
you can have it
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 02:48:20 PM
There was a team a town over from where I used to coach that runs the double wing offense.  They have the kids run it all through Pop Warner, middle school, and then a more complex version at the high school level.

They are 79-5 since 2015.  Won 5 of 7 state championships, lost one in a huge upset and the other was to a private school that recruits players from all over the southeast.  The head coach is a Hall of Famer.  He's only lost 20 or so games in his career.  His two losing seasons were when they have Kelly Bryant (former Clemson QB) and they tried to run an Air Raid offense.  He got pissed, went back to the double wing, and Bryant transferred to a powerhouse Air Raid (that we upset in the playoffs - picked him off 4 times).   

It's a badass offense.

Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2022, 03:09:08 PM
They should have brought in Gregg Williams to pay the kids to beat the excrement out the other team before the game.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on January 25, 2022, 03:53:17 PM
https://youtu.be/gGYlvFcSU-U (https://youtu.be/gGYlvFcSU-U)

Two gross football movies in the span of a year.  Maybe Draft Day will drop a surprise sequel to complete the trifecta. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on January 25, 2022, 04:17:25 PM
I don't want him.  I'd take Ramcyzk, Peat, or Armstead though. 

Lattimore too.

I would give them #10 for 2 of the 4 and their 1 this year and 2 next year. They get cap relief and a pick to pump the rebuild, we trade down and grab two expensive but exceptional vets that would help us start playing winning freaking football. Assuming we netted one of the tackles, we likely then would trade Fant for something to get some salary back and some minor compensation all things considered. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2022, 04:27:57 PM
Armstead's in his 30s now, I'm not giving up much for him. Ramczyk and Peat are both good players but both signed new long term contracts last year with massive bonuses so trading either one actually doesn't save the Saints much money because all of their bonus accelerates to the 2022 cap. Also, I don't know if Peat has ever played on the right side, and we already have an outstanding left guard.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 04:30:33 PM
Armstead's in his 30s now, I'm not giving up much for him.

He could be an elite guard in this offense
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2022, 04:50:00 PM
He could be an elite guard in this offense
I heard you can find these on Day 3
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2022, 04:52:14 PM
I heard you can find these on Day 3

Armstead was a third rounder, babbie
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: insanity on January 25, 2022, 05:09:00 PM
https://youtu.be/gGYlvFcSU-U (https://youtu.be/gGYlvFcSU-U)

Two gross football movies in the span of a year.  Maybe Draft Day will drop a surprise sequel to complete the trifecta.
1.  This is hilarious
2.  Impeccable timing with heis' post
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2022, 12:22:34 AM
Byron Leftwich looks like being the Jags' guy.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
Quote
Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
 · 6m
#Vikings are hiring Browns VP of Football Operations Kwesi Adofo-Mensah as their GM, per @AdamSchefter. A Princeton graduate, Adofo-Mensah worked on Wall Street before getting into the NFL in 2013. He's worked closely with Andrew Berry & has been touted as "super, super bright."


Browns will get two 3rd round picks for this hire. 1 in 2022 and 1 in 2023.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2022, 10:40:18 AM

Browns will get two 3rd round picks for this hire. 1 in 2022 and 1 in 2023.

I wonder if two teams can collude and just constantly exchange POC to get a ton of draft picks

It's a unique system
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2022, 01:57:10 PM
Ravens hired Mike Macdonald from Michigan to be their new DC. Watch them draft Ojabo.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 26, 2022, 02:26:15 PM
Ravens hired Mike Macdonald from Michigan to be their new DC. Watch them draft Ojabo.

They can trade up to 10 for him
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2022, 05:38:56 PM
Daboll is supposedly the favorite in Miami now. If he's going there to work with Tua, god help him.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on January 26, 2022, 06:10:18 PM
Daboll is supposedly the favorite in Miami now. If he's going there to work with Tua, god help him.

Surprising he isn’t the favorite for the Giants, or maybe he is a favorite there too
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2022, 07:09:10 PM
Surprising he isn’t the favorite for the Giants, or maybe he is a favorite there too

He is. It's been alternating back-and-forth with Flores.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2022, 08:48:16 PM
Byron Leftwich looks like being the Jags' guy.

Apparently this may not be true, looks like it was a rumour that was spread by one of Tony Khan's friends and the media picked up on it.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2022, 10:12:39 AM
Bears hire Matt Eberflus for their HC position.


Dan Quinn elects to stay with the cowboys
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2022, 10:13:00 AM
interesting nugget....

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
1m
When the Jaguars private plane was in Denver on Monday, it wasn't there to take Nathaniel Hackett to Jacksonville for an interview; it was there to pick up former Broncos HC Vic Fangio, who has interviewed for Jaguars' HC job, per league sources. Fangio is a candidate for Jaguars
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2022, 10:37:51 AM
Mike Jurecki
@mikejurecki
 · 10m
Hearing the Jaguars are close to hiring Adrian Wilson as their GM and Byron Leftwich as HC.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2022, 10:48:30 AM
I used to wreck people with Adrian Wilson in Madden. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 27, 2022, 11:22:35 AM
So the Bears replaced Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy with Ryan Poles and Matt Eberflus.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2022, 11:26:26 AM
So the Bears replaced Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy with Ryan Poles and Matt Eberflus.

Eberflus is the complete opposite of Nagy.

Jim Caldwell is going to get shut out again. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 27, 2022, 11:27:21 AM
Eberflus is the complete opposite of Nagy.

Jim Caldwell is going to get shut out again. 

I know. It's just amusing to me that they replaced one Ryan/Matt combo with another.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 27, 2022, 11:29:12 AM
Mike Jurecki
@mikejurecki
 · 10m
Hearing the Jaguars are close to hiring Adrian Wilson as their GM and Byron Leftwich as HC.

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Saints have requested permission to interview Buccaneers OC Byron Leftwich for their head coaching job, per source.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 27, 2022, 11:30:33 AM
There's still time for them to screw this up.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2022, 11:31:17 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Saints have requested permission to interview Buccaneers OC Byron Leftwich for their head coaching job, per source.

worst cap in the NFL, no QB....the Saints will be lucky to get Culley
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2022, 11:34:55 AM
Leftwich's agent hard at work
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 27, 2022, 11:36:19 AM
worst cap in the NFL, no QB....the Saints will be lucky to get Culley

True, but they're still a respected organization, especially when compared with the Jaguars.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Jumbo on January 27, 2022, 11:50:05 AM
https://youtu.be/g0WTH7YVehw?t=19

Gonna use this whenever the Jaguars do something stupid
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2022, 12:40:35 PM
worst cap in the NFL, no QB....the Saints will be lucky to get Culley
Maybe a stupid question, does anyone know if coaches contracts have offset language? Like if the Saints actually hired Culley, would the Texans be off the hook for whatever amount the Saints pay him?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2022, 12:45:59 PM
Maybe a stupid question, does anyone know if coaches contracts have offset language? Like if the Saints actually hired Culley, would the Texans be off the hook for whatever amount the Saints pay him?

They don't count against the cap so my guess would be no, but it is just a guess. I suspect it's more like a standard contract employee where you pay them a negotiated portion of their outstanding contract value to tear it up, and the financial relationship is complete. Offsets are part of the CBA and coaches aren't party to that.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 27, 2022, 04:02:28 PM
The Giants choosing between the guy the Dolphins want and the guy the Dolphins fired.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: dcm1602 on January 27, 2022, 10:53:27 PM
worst cap in the NFL, no QB....the Saints will be lucky to get Culley

Gruden Brothers are available
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
·
13m
#Colts linebackers coach Dave Borgonzi is expected to join the #Bears staff under new head coach Matt Eberflus, per source. Borgonzi was with Eberflus in Dallas and Indy, where he helped develop All-Pro Darius Leonard and others.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2022, 09:31:58 AM
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
·
13m
#Colts linebackers coach Dave Borgonzi is expected to join the #Bears staff under new head coach Matt Eberflus, per source. Borgonzi was with Eberflus in Dallas and Indy, where he helped develop All-Pro Darius Leonard and others.

elite football name
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 01:27:01 PM
Josh McCown got a 2nd interview with the Texans for their HC job.


Do it, Caserio.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 28, 2022, 05:39:50 PM
Josh McCown got a 2nd interview with the Texans for their HC job.


Do it, Caserio.

Only the Texans...
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 28, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
Have to figure the Fish will hire Moore or McDaniel now.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
I have to believe McDaniel is still holding out hope to replace Belichick.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 28, 2022, 06:37:56 PM
I have to believe McDaniel is still holding out hope to replace Belichick.

Mike McDaniel, not Josh McDaniels.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2022, 06:52:33 PM
Mike McDaniel, not Josh McDaniels.

Hi I'm drunk, how are you?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: insanity on January 28, 2022, 09:52:39 PM
Have to figure the Fish will hire Moore or McDaniel now.
I would pay to see the players faces when they see they are replacing hard nosed Brian Flores with redditor mcdaniel
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
I would pay to see the players faces when they see they are replacing hard nosed Brian Flores with redditor mcdaniel
He seems like the kind of guy who says el oh el out loud.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2022, 12:34:14 PM
Quote
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
3m
Las Vegas update: The #Raiders are interviewing #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels today, source said. It was a positive dinner last night with team president Dan Ventrelle, and owner Mark Davis joins them today. If all goes well today, the hire could come as quickly as this weekend.


I'm surprised any team would go near this clown after what he did to the Colts a few years ago. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2022, 12:55:54 PM

I'm surprised any team would go near this clown after what he did to the Colts a few years ago.
They get fleeced regularly by the Pats.  Won't be shocked if Belichick cons them into giving them a draft pick for him.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2022, 12:28:22 PM
Raiders expected to hire Ziegler and McDaniels.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
Raiders expected to hire Ziegler and McDaniels.

good..i hope Mac Jones takes a massive step back next season.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2022, 12:47:37 PM
All QBs in our division will likely have new coordinators except for Wilson

Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2022, 12:51:30 PM
good..i hope Mac Jones takes a massive step back next season.
I hope everyone sucks except the Jets.  I don't want anyone else to succeed.  freak em all.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2022, 01:10:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1487861134455541761?t=ZfkOJ95gU5ZM778-cx4_ng&s=19

They would be the most hated team ever.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2022, 01:12:13 PM
Renfrow is going to be the PPR godking in 2022 fantasy football
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2022, 01:13:52 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1487861134455541761?t=ZfkOJ95gU5ZM778-cx4_ng&s=19

They would be the most hated team ever.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220130/fe42fa887c6c6eef7a6bdcac1bffcc6c.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2022, 01:39:52 PM
This is very good for us.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2022, 01:48:39 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1487861134455541761?t=ZfkOJ95gU5ZM778-cx4_ng&s=19

They would be the most hated team ever.

I don't know that this would be as bad an idea as it might seem. He's a football autist who is great at designing plays, but terrible at teaching players to execute them, terrible at making them want to execute them, and terrible at knowing when to execute them. With a proven playcaller and a decent NFL vet QB he might be useful.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2022, 01:49:54 PM
All QBs in our division will likely have new coordinators except for Wilson



Which might not be great for Ulbrich, having to figure out three new offenses to deal with.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2022, 04:50:16 PM
https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1487869491761537026?t=wHp7rHkKBLnlwKX82ZX-nw&s=19
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 01, 2022, 07:43:18 AM
One thing i didn't expect this offseason was Jim Harbaugh getting hired in Minnesota. But it sounds like they're flying him in tomorrow (probably to hire him).
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 01, 2022, 07:47:35 AM
He wouldn't take that interview if he wasn't making the jump again
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 01, 2022, 07:48:09 AM
He wouldn't take that interview if he wasn't making the jump again

agreed
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: delavan on February 01, 2022, 01:11:57 PM
Brian Deboll's a hoser
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on February 01, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
Not Black enough Monday if you believe Brian Flores!
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 01, 2022, 06:38:17 PM
Not Black enough Monday if you believe Brian Flores!
Wokka wokka wokka
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on February 03, 2022, 05:04:22 PM
If the rumours are to be believed, the favourite for OC at the Patriots is Bill O'Brien. If he doesn't take it, the second favourite is Adam Gase.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2022, 05:15:35 PM
If the rumours are to be believed, the favourite for OC at the Patriots is Bill O'Brien. If he doesn't take it, the second favourite is Adam Gase.

Incredible
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on February 03, 2022, 05:19:13 PM
Source appears to be credible:

https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1489273111266701318
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1489436398629310471?s=21

Jags hire Doug Pederson
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2022, 09:25:11 PM
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1489436398629310471?s=21

Jags hire Doug Pederson
Not bad.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2022, 09:27:46 PM
Not bad.

They botched the Leftwich hiring and their fans are pissed
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 03, 2022, 09:30:22 PM
I'm honestly not sure what to make of Pederson after how things ended in Philly.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2022, 09:31:12 PM
They botched the Leftwich hiring and their fans are pissed
Yeah, but they could have ended up with worse. 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 03, 2022, 09:47:55 PM
Pederson's going to do to Baalke what Gase did to Maccagnan.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on February 03, 2022, 11:46:57 PM
The next question is will Pederson be able to convince them Neal is the correct pick?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2022, 08:31:39 AM
Quote
CBS' Jason La Canfora "keeps hearing" new Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell is targeting Bears senior defensive assistant Mike Pettine to be the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.


don't do it
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2022, 08:36:41 AM


don't do it

subsequently...local bozo Manish Mehta will now be covering the Minnesota Vikings beat.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on February 04, 2022, 11:01:33 AM
Quote
NFL Network's Mike Giardi reports Adam Gase's name "keeps popping up" among NFL sources discussing the Patriots' offensive coordinator vacancy.
The guy whose offense was dead last -- or near dead last -- in every meaningful category as head coach of the Jets is apparently in the running to replace Josh McDaniels as New England's offensive coordinator. Giardi said there remains hope that the next Patriots OC will come from within the organization, but Gase is a possible outside hire who could inexplicably get another chance to sink an NFL offense. A master of alienating players and creating stale, predictable offensive schemes, Gase would be a curious choice for Bill Belichick and the Pats. His hiring would raise serious questions about the development of Mac Jones as a franchise quarterback.

From rotoworld.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2022, 01:05:17 PM
From rotoworld.

We can only hope
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2022, 01:13:33 PM
We can only hope

The possibility of Gase going to the Patriots and being good isn't close enough to zero for me to want it to happen.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2022, 06:36:59 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1489757012833583108?t=5tKv_3zoKPAgCxoDBU95kg&s=19
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 05, 2022, 10:55:56 AM
Do the Giants get picks for losing Graham to the Raiders?  I thought it only applied if it were a promotion...not a lateral.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on February 05, 2022, 12:22:22 PM
Do the Giants get picks for losing Graham to the Raiders?  I thought it only applied if it were a promotion...not a lateral.

Only for HC or GM appointments, I think.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on February 05, 2022, 01:39:37 PM
Only for HC or GM appointments, I think.

For some reason I thought coordinator elevations too. But nothing for lateral moves though.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 06, 2022, 05:26:29 PM
McDaniel's the new HC of the Fish. Was really hoping it wasn't going to be someone I like.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 06, 2022, 05:27:18 PM
Houston down to McCown and Flores. Controversy no matter what.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on February 06, 2022, 06:04:31 PM
If Flores gets hired it’s his last stop. Better not freak it up, that said if he doesn’t get it, I’d bet he doesn’t get another gig after the lawsuit either.

Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2022, 07:14:47 PM
Wonder if Flores takes a DC spot somewhere or goes full in on the lawsuit deal.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Houston down to McCown and Flores. Controversy no matter what.
Per Schefter...Lovie Smith is now a contender
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2022, 08:52:08 PM
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1490512207188168707?s=21

Oh my god
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on February 06, 2022, 08:58:49 PM
Should have kept Culley for this fiasco they’ve got going on
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 06, 2022, 09:46:33 PM
Such a fiasco. Have to believe the league intervened.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:03:56 PM
The Texans hiring Lovie Smith is the NFL's biggest head coach hiring yikes since their last one.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2022, 02:06:16 PM
The Texans hiring Lovie Smith is the NFL's biggest head coach hiring yikes since their last one.
I don't know about yikes, it's just generic recycling.  Plus he's got a beard now, so that'll probably make him better this time.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2022, 02:11:22 PM
Why not just keep Culley and tank? 
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2022, 02:19:23 PM
Have to believe the league intervened.

If this is truly the case and Gannon and McCown were essentially disqualified due to their skin color, they should sue.

Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2022, 02:22:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1490773785514897413?t=eNT3J92CbSadRfwnkxzVSw&s=19
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:24:39 PM
Why not just keep Culley and tank? 

They obviously didn't fire Culley with the intention of promoting Lovie to replace him. They wanted Gannon, McCown, or Flores. Gannon apparently wanted input on his staff that they wouldn't give him so he pulled out, McCown's hiring would have led to a huge backlash that they ultimately didn't want, and Flores disqualified himself when he sued the league. That's how they landed on Lovie. He was the "break glass in the case of emergency" option. If they'd know things were going to unfold this way, they likely would have just kept Culley to save themselves the embarrassment.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2022, 02:24:54 PM


Plus he's got a beard now, so that'll probably make him better this time.

No doubt
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:29:45 PM
If this is truly the case and Gannon and McCown were essentially disqualified due to their skin color, they should sue.

That's not what I was suggesting. As far as I can tell, this had nothing to do with skin pigmentation. McCown's hiring would have led to a huge backlash over his inexperience relative to other candidates (black or white). This is what I believe the league may have influenced. Gannon apparently pulled himself out of consideration due to a staffing disagreement with the Texans (similar to what happened here with Rhule a couple years ago). The Texans allegedly wanted McCown on his staff but I'm not sure how true that is.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:37:57 PM
I don't know about yikes, it's just generic recycling.  Plus he's got a beard now, so that'll probably make him better this time.

Yikes from the standpoint that it was a hiring that absolutely no one expected and was made purely out of desperation. Obviously Lovie is more qualified than Culley was.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2022, 02:44:42 PM
That's not what I was suggesting. As far as I can tell, this had nothing to do with skin pigmentation. McCown's hiring would have led to a huge backlash over his inexperience relative to other candidates (black or white). This is what I believe the league may have influenced. Gannon apparently pulled himself out of contention due to a staffing disagreement with the Texans (similar to what happened here with Rhule a couple years ago). The Texans allegedly wanted McCown on his staff but I'm not sure how true that is.

The common assumption seems to be that the league stepped in to essentially steer the Texans toward a minority candidate, especially in light of the fact that the Texans were apparently very interested in McCown and the shield was worried about the perception of hiring such an inexperienced white head coach. Operative term being white.

Let me clarify my thoughts a little; I have no doubt it would be almost impossible to prove, nor is it worth it for McCown considering he apparently has a very bright future in coaching and seems to be on the fast track to a head coaching job.

But if that indeed did happen, and again I'm relying on assumptions here, then McCown was essentially denied a position on the basis of his race, which is what we're all trying to avoid.

FWIW, imho Lovie never really got a fair shot at his second job, so good for him getting a crack at a third even if it's with an absolute freaking mess of a dumpster fire of an organization.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
Why not just keep Culley and tank? 

because dumb
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:53:29 PM
Personal opinion, the Texans would have hired Flores if not for the lawsuit. He was the first candidate they interviewed and was viewed as the favorite from early on. They even waited until after he was fired by Miami before firing Culley. Yes, they were very interested in McCown to the point that it might have been neck-and-neck between all three candidates but ultimately the perception of hiring a head coach with zero NFL coaching experience scared them off. Once Gannon, Flores, and McCown were no longer options, they decided to look internally and Lovie was the most qualified internal candidate. He was already their assistant head coach.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: delavan on February 07, 2022, 06:11:25 PM
The Texans hiring Lovie Smith is the NFL's biggest head coach hiring yikes since their last one.

First the Texans with Lovie Smith and now the Dolphins with *smile* Mike McDaniel: 

https://twitter.com/AlphaKayode/status/1490825959976624135


.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2022, 06:15:46 PM
Dennis Allen confirmed new HC of the Saints, which I think was the last vacancy left.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2022, 06:45:17 PM
Dennis Allen confirmed new HC of the Saints, which I think was the last vacancy left.
Bieniemy rooney'd again
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2022, 07:57:23 PM
I've always felt Dennis Allen did enough to warrant another look as a head coach.

Raiders were an absolute abortion when he was there, John Madden couldn't have won with that team. He did a great job with the Saints d, and one has to assume his hire means a lot of stability in terms of retaining coaches on both sides of the ball.

Might as well run it back with a healthy Jameis (if they can find the money to resign him given their cap issues) given how vulnerable the division is now that Tommy scumbag is out of the way and Gronk might join him.

Here's hoping if Gronk retires he takes those freaking awful USAA commercials with him. Who's bright idea was it to create a marketing campaign where essentially a super rich athlete is trying to perpetuate stolen valor for a discount?
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2022, 08:22:11 PM
Leagues becoming a clusterfuck

I see them following the NBA down the road of some political abyss
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 08, 2022, 09:24:53 AM
The Steelers are interviewing Louis Riddick for their GM position. lol


i hope they hire him...that franchise is well overdue for some down years.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 08, 2022, 06:28:40 PM
The Steelers are interviewing Louis Riddick for their GM position. lol


i hope they hire him...that franchise is well overdue for some down years.

reddick always has sound football takes whenever i've seen him speak, and he already has experience as a scout and in a front office capacity. peripherally, he comes off as a hardworking guy that is well respected by his peers

i feel like he's somebody who'd make it if given the chance

if a scrub like mike mayock was given a shot to hold a GM position for several years, there is no reason a guy like riddick shouldn't get the same opportunity
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2022, 02:00:47 PM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
1h
Chiefs hired Matt Nagy as Senior Assistant/Quarterbacks Coach.
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2022, 09:28:19 AM
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1506984413795659780
Title: Re: Black Monday & Coaching Carousel 2022
Post by: reuben on March 24, 2022, 09:37:52 AM
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1506984413795659780

Schotty must make the best coffee.