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Title: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 12:58:53 PM
If you don’t like it, freak you. I’m bored.

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 01:00:13 PM
It’s been a little bit, so here’s your reminder that the Jets own the following picks:

1st
1st (SEA - Adams Trade)
2nd
2nd (CAR - Darnold Trade)
3rd
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
Also a 4th, 2 5ths, and 3 6ths, but I will have max ejac’ed a long time before then
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 20, 2021, 09:32:00 AM
Thibodeaux or Stingley
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Thibodeaux or Stingley

seconded
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on August 20, 2021, 02:50:05 PM
I say we draft a receiver
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 02:54:47 PM
I say we draft a receiver

with Seattle's 1st rounder?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 20, 2021, 04:54:28 PM
I say we draft a receiver

I'd much rather draft another offensive lineman
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 04, 2021, 05:18:24 PM
Anyone else tempted by the thought of drafting Evan Neal to play across from Becton?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 04, 2021, 05:21:21 PM
Anyone else tempted by the thought of drafting Evan Neal to play across from Becton?

We'll have to have a Top 3 pick
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 04, 2021, 05:51:31 PM
We'll have to have a Top 3 pick

You think he's definitely going top-3? I figured he was more of a likely top-5 pick, guaranteed top-10 pick.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 04, 2021, 08:44:26 PM
You think he's definitely going top-3? I figured he was more of a likely top-5 pick, guaranteed top-10 pick.

#2 overall prospect
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on September 04, 2021, 09:40:59 PM
#2 overall prospect

Which QB is going #1 next year?

I imagine the next 3 in a currently random order are Thibideaux, Neal and Stingley
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 04, 2021, 10:11:11 PM
Which QB is going #1 next year?

The QBs suck this year. 

If I had to choose one, it'd be between Liberty's Malik Willis and Boston College's Phil Jurkovec.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 04, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
Really happy we got a QB this year. Would have set us back longer if Darnold wasn't the answer and we didn't have a potential answer in the draft.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on September 06, 2021, 09:12:35 AM
Since we recently traded our last top 10 pick safety and may lose Marcus Maye, lets go Kyle Hamilton
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 06, 2021, 10:53:48 AM
This draft is loaded at safety
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 06, 2021, 12:55:06 PM
Please draft a corner or a pass rusher over a safety

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on September 06, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Please draft a corner or a pass rusher over a safety



Say it louder for the people in the back

I wouldn’t be disappointed at all (based on our current roster construction) if we went pass rusher and CB with our two first rounders and an OL and TE with our second rounders before even considering a safety
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 06, 2021, 04:07:36 PM
Even if Maye leaves, safety is at best our sixth highest position of need. Edge, corner, OL, tight end, and LB are all higher imo.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on September 11, 2021, 08:40:00 AM
I think you guys are underestimating how much a drafting the top safety with a premium pick can turn a team around.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2021, 09:08:02 AM
I think you guys are underestimating how much a drafting the top safety with a premium pick can turn a team around.
It's true, remember how good 2017's 5 wins felt compared to 2016's 5 wins?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on September 11, 2021, 11:28:54 AM
It's true, remember how good 2017's 5 wins felt compared to 2016's 5 wins?
At least someone gets it.


But I would like Kyle Hamilton on this team, just not for the top 10 pick
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 18, 2021, 04:01:12 PM
Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 18, 2021, 05:01:21 PM
We'll probably draft Jaxson Kirkland #1 overall and I will walk into traffic
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on September 18, 2021, 05:23:06 PM
We'll probably draft Jaxson Kirkland #1 overall and I will walk into traffic

Spelling Jackson like "Jaxson" should automatically drop him to the 5th round.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 19, 2021, 03:29:36 AM
Spelling Jackson like "Jaxson" should automatically drop him to the 5th round.
Maybe they were just big fans of Sons of Anarchy.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on September 19, 2021, 08:33:53 AM
Maybe they were just big fans of Sons of Anarchy.
Fine...6th round then.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Seattle lost, 18th pick in the draft rn via the Jamal Adams trade
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 25, 2021, 05:51:15 PM
The emergence of Malik Willis is good for us
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 25, 2021, 06:35:14 PM
The emergence of Malik Willis is good for us

He was QB1 before the season started

There is no emergence
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 25, 2021, 07:18:33 PM
He was QB1 before the season started

There is no emergence

To you, maybe. Before the season started most analysts seemed to have Rattler and Howell as their top QBs.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 25, 2021, 07:22:24 PM
A couple weeks ago everyone, including Heismanberg, was saying how much this QB class sucks. The more that can work their way into the top-5 conversation, the better for us.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 25, 2021, 07:23:21 PM
A couple weeks ago everyone, including Heismanberg, was saying how much this QB class sucks. The more that can work their way into the top-5 conversation, the better for us.

It does suck, especially compared to last year’s
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2021, 02:03:21 PM
A couple weeks ago everyone, including Heismanberg, was saying how much this QB class sucks. The more that can work their way into the top-5 conversation, the better for us.
The class can suck and Willis can still be the best QB out of the crappy quarterbacks. But yes, if he can establish himself as a top-5 pick, that would be good for us.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 26, 2021, 02:22:09 PM
It does suck, especially compared to last year’s

Not going to argue with that. Need usually outweighs value when it comes to the QB position. That's why there's been at least one taken in the top-3 every year since 2014 (2001, if you exclude 2013). I'll be surprised if that streak is broken.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 26, 2021, 04:37:18 PM
I’m putting on the Geno jersey for the first time ever

Jets win 21-17
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on September 26, 2021, 04:39:57 PM
I’m putting on the Geno jersey for the first time ever

Jets win 21-17
Do It!
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2021, 11:10:34 AM
Keep drafting OL high until our OL doesn’t suck anymore
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on September 27, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Keep drafting OL high until our OL doesn’t suck anymore
It will happen and somehow get worse.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2021, 12:03:27 PM
I feel like our draft strategy of taking cornerbacks late has been working pretty well, especially considering how many highly drafted cornerbacks have been busting recently.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2021, 12:17:34 PM
Draft an ELITE edge rusher
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on September 27, 2021, 06:49:15 PM
Man is Kyle Hamilton gonna look good in the Green and White
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2021, 01:07:00 AM
Man is Kyle Hamilton gonna look good in the Green and White
Kyle Hamilton to IR because of this comment.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2021, 10:18:48 AM
Evan Neal and Linderbaum with our first 2 picks or we riot
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2021, 11:05:25 AM
Evan Neal and Linderbaum with our first 2 picks or we riot

Can Evan Neal GORD?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2021, 02:00:52 PM
Can Evan Neal GORD?
Becton-AVT-Linderbaum-GVR-Neal

He won't go away
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2021, 02:22:50 PM
Becton-AVT-Linderbaum-GVR-Neal

He won't go away

This line up would go a long way in convincing me to buy a bullet and rent a gun.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on September 28, 2021, 04:42:30 PM
Can Evan Neal GORD?

If not, Zion Johnson, BC
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 29, 2021, 02:35:19 PM
Becton-AVT-Linderbaum-Scherff-Neal

FTFY
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 04:28:39 PM
https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1442964021225787394?s=21
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 04:38:18 PM
https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1442964021225787394?s=21

The third completely unnecessary block was reminiscent of Quenton Nelson. "I don't know where the runner is but I'm going to keep smashing people until someone tells me not to!"
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1442964021225787394?s=21

Pick this man now.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on October 09, 2021, 03:51:33 PM
Don't think anyone will be trading up with us for Spencer Rattler
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 09, 2021, 03:53:14 PM
Don't think anyone will be trading up with us for Spencer Rattler

With Jurkovec hurt and Rattler absolutely sucking, 2022 is going to look a lot like 2013 at QB.

Ridder might end up being QB1.  Rough.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on October 09, 2021, 04:08:50 PM
With Jurkovec hurt and Rattler absolutely sucking, 2022 is going to look a lot like 2013 at QB.

Ridder might end up being QB1.  Rough.

Thank freaking god we didn’t wait a year and hang on to Sam only to have it implode
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 09, 2021, 04:14:46 PM
Thank freaking god we didn’t wait a year and hang on to Sam only to have it implode

We really are in a great spot.

Lots of ammo to build around the QB.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 09, 2021, 04:32:38 PM
Thank freaking god we didn’t wait a year and hang on to Sam only to have it implode
This was one of the biggest reasons to move on. This class never looked good on paper. You never know for sure, but it certainly looked that way. And if Darnold tanks and there isn't a legit QB available, that's how you end up running out Geno Smith for 2 years.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2021, 08:56:24 PM
https://twitter.com/lyletheegg/status/1447349144553656324?s=21
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2021, 10:06:50 PM
Absolute tragedy we don’t have the 1 pick
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2021, 09:34:57 AM
Absolute tragedy we don’t have the 1 pick

The Jags are the first team in the SB era to have made zero FGs through the first 5 games.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2021, 09:37:22 AM
Thibodeaux/Neal with our first pick
Linderbaum with our 2nd pick

Nothing else excites me at this point
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2021, 09:59:59 AM
Thibodeaux/Neal with our first pick
Linderbaum with our 2nd pick

Nothing else excites me at this point

Tailgate 2022 might excite you....or a french tickler.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2021, 10:06:38 AM
We can't take another tackle.  Our tackles have been fine the past two weeks.

We need a legit EDGE rusher, a corner, or a #1 WR. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2021, 10:11:10 AM
We can't take another tackle.  Our tackles have been fine the past two weeks.

We need a legit EDGE rusher, a corner, or a #1 WR. 

Our IOL needs to be a priority
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2021, 10:55:06 AM
We can't take another tackle.  Our tackles have been fine the past two weeks.

We need a legit EDGE rusher, a corner, or a #1 WR. 

Do you see Fant or Moses as long term solutions?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2021, 10:59:44 AM
I wouldn’t be a fan of taking a CB or WR top 5, not in this class
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2021, 11:02:26 AM
I wouldn’t be a fan of taking a CB or WR top 5, not in this class

we're drafting back to back safeties.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2021, 11:20:34 AM
Do you see Fant or Moses as long term solutions?

I think both of them have been fine.

If we draft another tackle in 2022, we'll have to pay Becton, AVT, and that guy all around the same time.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
I think both of them have been fine.

If we draft another tackle in 2022, we'll have to pay Becton, AVT, and that guy all around the same time.

That wouldn’t be ideal, but we also always whiff on the good OL in Free Agency.

If there was a way to assure Linderbaum, I’m fine going in another direction at pick 1. I think Neal and Kenyon Green are the only possibilities there anyways. I just don’t love the top of this year’s draft class outside of Thibs
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2021, 11:34:27 AM
I just don’t love the top of this year’s draft class outside of Thibs

Three potentially elite EDGE defenders at the top:  Thibs, Jackson, and Hutchinson

I'd go Thibs then Stingley if Thibs is off the board (if we go defense)

Drake London is in for a huge rise too
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
Drake London and Tyler Linderbaum is my ideal first round right now
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2021, 11:55:05 AM
Drake London and Tyler Linderbaum is my ideal first round right now
Drake London sounds like a guy who should be serving drinks at Studio 54
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on October 11, 2021, 06:30:21 PM
Our IOL needs to be a priority

^ This (and a QB killer).  And I hope fleet-of-foot Hawkeye Tyler Lindy's not going to end a slightly underweight A-gap liability (LaF's wide zone scheme notwithstanding).
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on October 20, 2021, 03:40:54 PM
Out of 9 OL:  2 good (when available), 2 serviceable, the rest are bums and/or washouts.   The OL is not close to being close..

AVT  : )
Becton - part timer

Fant  : l
Moses : l

McGovern : (
Van Roten  : (
Edoga        : (

Clark - spinal tap out
Feeney - useless

Isiah Williams - here's the Isiah Williams world tour:

Washington Redskins (2016–2017)*
Kansas City Chiefs (2017)*
Indianapolis Colts (2017)
Washington Redskins (2018)*
Oakland Raiders (2018)*
New Orleans Saints (2018)*
Atlanta Legends (2019)
Baltimore Ravens (2019)*
Tampa Bay Vipers (2020)
San Francisco 49ers (2020)
New York Jets (2021–present)
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on October 20, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
McGovern is OK, getting better.  Feeney is a decent backup, bad starter.  Since he isn't a starter, he's ok.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2021, 04:43:48 PM
McGovern is OK, getting better.  Feeney is a decent backup, bad starter.  Since he isn't a starter, he's ok.

McGovern is a 5 year veteran. I don't see him suddenly breaking out into a good player.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 20, 2021, 06:10:09 PM
McGovern has been solid since Week 2.  The problem is Van Roten. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on October 20, 2021, 08:17:18 PM
McGovern has been solid since Week 2.  The problem is Van Roten. 

If we even had below average RG play let alone above average play McGovern would look pretty good
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 06:22:25 AM
McShay top 32:

1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, Edge, Oregon

 2. Derek Stingley, CB, LSU

 3. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama

 4. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame

 5. Aidan Hutchinson, Edge, Michigan

 6. Malik Willis, QB, Liberty

 7. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State

 8. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State

 9. DeMarvin Leal, DL, Texas A&M

 10. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State

 11. Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida

 12. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State

 13. Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia

 14. Nakobe Dean, ILB, Georgia

 15. Nichols Petit-Frete, OT, Ohio State

 16. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah

 17. George Karalaftis, Edge, Purdue

 18. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas

 19. Jalen Wydermyer, TE, Texas A&M

 20. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa

 21. Matt Corral, QB, Ole Miss

 22. Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson

 23. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati

 24. Drake London, WR, USC

 25. Brandon Smith, LB, Penn State

 26. John Metchie, WR, Alabama

 27. Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh

 28. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama

 29. Adam Anderson, Edge, Georgia

 30. Zion Johnson, OT/G, Boston College

 31. Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn

 32. Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2021, 06:24:29 AM
Great receiver and EDGE class
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 06:35:09 AM
Forgive any misspellings, I copied the list from someone who bypassed the ESPN+ paywall.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2021, 11:09:08 AM
Gotta admit, I'm a little surprised by 4 quarterbacks in the top 32. Hopefully, 1 or 2 of them get a lot of hype in the pre-draft process.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: mj2sexay on October 28, 2021, 11:41:57 AM
Optimal situation IMHO:

Spin that Seahawks first into more picks as you trade back into the middle or bottom of the round and grab Linderbaum.

Would also LOVE to see Derek Stingley in a Jets uniform.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2021, 11:47:24 AM
Optimal situation IMHO:

Spin that Seahawks first into more picks as you trade back into the middle or bottom of the round and grab Linderbaum.

Would also LOVE to see Derek Stingley in a Jets uniform.
I'm hoping that our young cornerbacks show enough where we don't need to take a cornerback in the top 10.

But yes, looking at that big board, a trade down looks optimal. Granted, I almost always feel that way.

Interior OL and BPA seems to be the move with those 2 picks. Trading down could be difficult without elite quarterbacks out there.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on October 28, 2021, 12:00:23 PM
I'm hoping that our young cornerbacks show enough where we don't need to take a cornerback in the top 10.

But yes, looking at that big board, a trade down looks optimal. Granted, I almost always feel that way.

Interior OL and BPA seems to be the move with those 2 picks. Trading down could be difficult without elite quarterbacks out there.

Have to think that TE is very high on the list as well. I don't know enough about the college players to know whether any of them would be a reach with one of our first round picks, but in the end I remain of the view that it's probably better to reach a few spots to get a top talent at a position of huge need than to take BPA at a position of less importance - especially when we already have a excrement ton of picks to fall back on.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2021, 12:14:43 PM
Have to think that TE is very high on the list as well. I don't know enough about the college players to know whether any of them would be a reach with one of our first round picks, but in the end I remain of the view that it's probably better to reach a few spots to get a top talent at a position of huge need than to take BPA at a position of less importance - especially when we already have a excrement ton of picks to fall back on.
I haven't studied the draft enough either, but the Jets don't have enough great players. We aren't good enough to draft for need. Outside of QB and DT, we can literally take any position in the top 10 and it would fill a need.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 02:04:56 PM
Gotta admit, I'm a little surprised by 4 quarterbacks in the top 32. Hopefully, 1 or 2 of them get a lot of hype in the pre-draft process.
This should be nearly guaranteed, right? The last time a QB hasn't gone top 3 was 2013. The positional value is unavoidably inflated at this point.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Miamipuck on October 28, 2021, 03:24:48 PM
I see  4. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame in our future.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on October 28, 2021, 05:09:18 PM
Charles Cross sounds like bounty hunter you donn't want to freak with
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on October 28, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Have to think that TE is very high on the list as well. I don't know enough about the college players to know whether any of them would be a reach with one of our first round picks, but in the end I remain of the view that it's probably better to reach a few spots to get a top talent at a position of huge need than to take BPA at a position of less importance - especially when we already have a excrement ton of picks to fall back on.

If we wind up with a pick after 1.20 and we've already added a premium player to the offensive line, I'm OK taking Jalen Wydermyer. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on October 30, 2021, 07:54:26 PM

Ari Meirov
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USC standout WR Drake London, a projected 2022 first-round pick, was carted off tonight with a lower leg injury. They put his right leg in an air cast, often indicating there's a fracture. Not good.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
If one of our first rounders drops into the teens....players I'm looking at for that pick (in random order)

-Tyler Linderbaum
-Devin Lloyd
-chris olave
-Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2021, 09:22:05 AM
I’m willing to compromise

I will allow 1 defensive player in exchange for 1 Gord
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 05, 2021, 09:31:22 AM
If one of our first rounders drops into the teens....players I'm looking at for that pick (in random order)

-Tyler Linderbaum
-Devin Lloyd
-chris olave
-Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner

I don't think Olave fits with our current wideout group.  We either need a speedster (Jameson Williams) or a possession guy (Drake London/David Bell).  Treylon Burks and Garrett Wilson can do it all, but I think those guys are going top ten.  Jahan Dotson is the kind of receiver that LaFleur loves.  He's very similar to Elijah Moore. 

If Gardner runs in the 4.4s, he's likely going top ten. 

Devin Lloyd could go top ten as well. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
I don't think Olave fits with our current wideout group.  We either need a speedster (Jameson Williams) or a possession guy (Drake London/David Bell).  Treylon Burks and Garrett Wilson can do it all, but I think those guys are going top ten.  Jahan Dotson is the kind of receiver that LaFleur loves.  He's very similar to Elijah Moore. 

If Gardner runs in the 4.4s, he's likely going top ten. 

Devin Lloyd could go top ten as well.
We need a few QBs to go in the top 10
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 05, 2021, 09:39:10 AM
We need a few QBs to go in the top 10

Matt Corral and Kenny Pickett hopefully do. 

Desmond Ridder playing well in the CFB Playoff helps us too. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2021, 09:41:51 AM
Matt Corral and Kenny Pickett hopefully do. 

Desmond Ridder playing well in the CFB Playoff helps us too.
There's rumblings that the Giants like Corral with one of their 1st rounders.

Could see it happening if that franchise cleans house.

Maybe a team in the top 10 reaches for Malik Willis
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 05, 2021, 10:10:52 AM
There's rumblings that the Giants like Corral with one of their 1st rounders.

WAY too early to know that.  Gettleman might be gone.  Judge could be gone.  A new regime might go in a completely different direction.

Russell Wilson will likely be on their radar too. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2021, 10:15:33 AM
WAY too early to know that.  Gettleman might be gone.  Judge could be gone.  A new regime might go in a completely different direction.

Russell Wilson will likely be on their radar too.
Oh yeah...definitely too early.  Doesn't hurt to wish it into existence
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 05, 2021, 12:45:53 PM
WAY too early to know that.  Gettleman might be gone.  Judge could be gone.  A new regime might go in a completely different direction.

Russell Wilson will likely be on their radar too. 
Oh yeah...definitely too early.  Doesn't hurt to wish it into existence

again as has been said, way too early to tell. but you have to think that for any of the teams that end up trading for wilson (ie teams with QB needs with multiple 1st rd picks - Giants, Eagles), that one of the netted return 1st round picks may very well be used on a QB replacement for wilson

as badge said the inflation/value of the QB come draft time is inarguable at this point. we see guys coming out of 'weak qb group' years go very high all the time. i'd quite frankly be shocked if 2 QBs didn't go top 10
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2021, 04:59:18 PM
again as has been said, way too early to tell. but you have to think that for any of the teams that end up trading for wilson (ie teams with QB needs with multiple 1st rd picks - Giants, Eagles), that one of the netted return 1st round picks may very well be used on a QB replacement for wilson

as badge said the inflation/value of the QB come draft time is inarguable at this point. we see guys coming out of 'weak qb group' years go very high all the time. i'd quite frankly be shocked if 2 QBs didn't go top 10

Same. Even though it’s a weaker class, they’ll still go. I’ll always have faith after Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2021, 05:12:57 PM
Same. Even though it’s a weaker class, they’ll still go. I’ll always have faith after Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.

Jake Locker was talented as freak. He was just made of glass.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 05, 2021, 05:14:15 PM
My hope is that we're either in position to take Thibs/Hutch or in a prime trade-up spot for a QB needy team.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 05, 2021, 05:16:59 PM
Jake Locker was talented as freak. He was just made of glass.

He was also highly inaccurate and turnover prone. Something I hope we're not saying about Zach in a year...
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 05, 2021, 05:25:07 PM
That draft was also odd because of the lack of an offseason. Teams wanted to secure their quarterbacks in that draft, so they were willing to reach.

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on December 05, 2021, 05:25:53 PM
My hope is that we're either in position to take Thibs/Hutch or we're in a trade-up spot for a QB needy team.

This feels like a perfect spot for the why not both? Meme

Picks 2 and 5 would be the nearly ideal scenario for this playing out
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 05, 2021, 05:31:29 PM
This feels like a perfect spot for the why not both? Meme

Picks 2 and 5 would be the nearly ideal scenario for this playing out

If both were to happen, that would be phenomenal but I've grown increasingly skeptical that we'll be in position to take Thibs or Hutch.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on December 05, 2021, 05:41:28 PM
If both were to happen, that would be phenomenal but I've grown increasingly skeptical that we'll be in position to take Thibs or Hutch.

If Wilson plays like today for the rest of the season, we will win at least one more and possibly 2-3 more. We really need Seattle to pack it in and go 3-14. That’s honestly the very best scenario for us. The absolute very best.


2nd best scenario is we end up at 3 or 4 and somebody decides a QB is worth it, and somebody decides that an offensive lineman to keep their qb alive is worth more than a pass rusher so we end up with a top 2 player at 3 or 4. I just don’t think we are that lucky
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 05, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
If Wilson plays like today for the rest of the season, we will win at least one more and possibly 2-3 more. We really need Seattle to pack it in and go 3-14. That’s honestly the very best scenario for us. The absolute very best.


2nd best scenario is we end up at 3 or 4 and somebody decides a QB is worth it, and somebody decides that an offensive lineman to keep their qb alive is worth more than a pass rusher so we end up with a top 2 player at 3 or 4. I just don’t think we are that lucky
No excrement it's the best scenario that Seattle goes 3-14, but that was never realistic. Their schedule is pretty easy down the stretch.

If we get Thibs or Hutch, it's because the Jets lost enough games to put themselves in that situation. Or one of their stocks isn't quite as high as we think it is.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on December 05, 2021, 05:46:22 PM
If Wilson plays like today for the rest of the season, we will win at least one more and possibly 2-3 more. We really need Seattle to pack it in and go 3-14. That’s honestly the very best scenario for us. The absolute very best.


2nd best scenario is we end up at 3 or 4 and somebody decides a QB is worth it, and somebody decides that an offensive lineman to keep their qb alive is worth more than a pass rusher so we end up with a top 2 player at 3 or 4. I just don’t think we are that lucky
We have 1 win left, maybe.  Our defense is washed.

Seattle will win a couple more. They have the Texans and Lions left to play.

Seattle finishing worse than us is a pipe dream.  If we are lucky, they finish near the 10 pick.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 05, 2021, 05:59:21 PM
We have 1 win left, maybe.  Our defense is washed.

Seattle will win a couple more. They have the Texans and Lions left to play.

Seattle finishing worse than us is a pipe dream.  If we are lucky, they finish near the 10 pick.

This. It's fun to look at the draft standings now, but Seattle will win some more games.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on December 05, 2021, 09:29:13 PM
If both were to happen, that would be phenomenal but I've grown increasingly skeptical that we'll be in position to take Thibs or Hutch.
Because you could never resign both if they became good
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 11, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1469697594242875392?s=21
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 12:18:10 PM
https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1469697594242875392?s=21

For Dan Campbell that was love at first sight.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 11, 2021, 12:23:40 PM
That flat footed tackle set himself up
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
I'm expecting the Seahawks to win 3 more games so their pick will probably wind up in the 8-10 range. If that happens, I'm fully on board with taking Garrett Wilson with that pick. With Moore, Davis, and Wilson, we should be set at receiver for a while.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2021, 09:17:57 AM
https://twitter.com/eneal73/status/1414597237729107972?s=21

Do it
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on December 13, 2021, 04:57:31 PM
https://twitter.com/eneal73/status/1414597237729107972?s=21

Do it
Could easily see this transferring on the field
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2021, 06:16:07 PM
Seems like an excellent way to give yourself a groin or quad strain.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on December 13, 2021, 06:27:41 PM
Big Jarron Gilbert energy
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2021, 06:38:26 PM
Big Jarron Gilbert energy
Strong reference.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2021, 06:45:34 PM
Big Jarron Gilbert energy

Was he the guy with the video jumping out of the pool?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on December 13, 2021, 07:08:57 PM
Was he the guy with the video jumping out of the pool?

yes
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2021, 07:13:35 PM
yes

Google says he was on the Jets for two years. I remember him jumping out of a pool but have no recollection of him playing for the Jets.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on December 13, 2021, 07:16:28 PM
Google says he was on the Jets for two years. I remember him jumping out of a pool but have no recollection of him playing for the Jets.

We were undefeated against pools during that span.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
We were undefeated against pools during that span.
Brodney Pool wasn't against us
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2021, 08:48:04 PM
Google says he was on the Jets for two years. I remember him jumping out of a pool but have no recollection of him playing for the Jets.
I remember recirculating the video when we signed him, since he was an extremely popular player on NFL Draft message boards.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
There is a reason you don't remember him playing for the Jets.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on December 13, 2021, 10:25:34 PM
https://twitter.com/eneal73/status/1414597237729107972?s=21

Do it
Impressive.  What's curious is that Neal who was top 10 in a lot of mocks wasn't first team in the AP All-American lineup.

https://apnews.com/article/college-football-sports-ohio-alabama-crimson-tide-football-alabama-cfc6067ea8e0e269617f20fee772c9c9

Some pre-season big names left off altogether (e.g. A&M's Wydermeyer, Spiller), i.e. not even 3rd team. 

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
On 12/5 I took Kayvon to be the #1 pick at -110 odds.

Same book now was Hutchinson to be the #1 pick at -150 odds and Kayvon at +200
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on December 19, 2021, 08:32:55 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/rk5byw/i_think_he_needs_to_be_bumped_up_a_grade/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/rk5byw/i_think_he_needs_to_be_bumped_up_a_grade/)

Found our next power back
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
We really need a back like Kyren Williams.

He is elite in pass protection and catches the ball better than just about any back in this draft class.  He'd pair well with Michael Carter, who has struggled in pass pro. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2021, 06:23:06 PM
TE class is also deceptively loaded. 

West coast TEs are ballers:  CSU's Trey McBride, Nevada's Cole Turner, and UCLA's Greg Dulcich

Hopefully we get one of these guys
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2021, 06:27:54 PM
UTSA CB Tariq Woolen is a riser that fits our Cover 3 scheme. 

6'4 corner with 4.3 speed...
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2021, 11:35:21 PM
Hutchinson undraftable in the top 3 IMO
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2021, 11:38:56 PM
Hutchinson undraftable in the top 3 IMO

He's basically a tin can of pee.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2021, 11:52:17 PM
I heard he's a Marxist.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 10:59:47 PM
It’s been a little bit, so here’s your reminder that the Jets own the following picks:

1st
1st (SEA - Adams Trade)
2nd
2nd (CAR - Darnold Trade)
3rd

Someone do the updates on positioning of these picks.
I am drunk
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 11:01:04 PM
My giants fan friend texted me saying “giants have 5 picks in the top 100” and I kinda laughed. Last time I had checked Jets have 5 in the top 50.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 11:01:48 PM
Breed tub
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on January 02, 2022, 11:08:11 PM
Someone do the updates on positioning of these picks.
I am drunk

Also drunk but here we go:
R1: 4, 7
R2: 35 (3), 38 (6)
R3: 69 (nice) (5)

Also an extra 4th courtesy of the Vikings and an extra 5th from the Steelers.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 11:09:17 PM
Also drunk but here we go:
R1: 4, 7
R2: 35 (3), 38 (6)
R3: 69 (nice) (5)

Also an extra 4th courtesy of the Vikings.
MY MAN
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2022, 11:09:26 PM
So 4 in the top 40, and 5 in the top 70.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 11:10:12 PM
5 in the top 69 is better vibes tbh
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 11:14:06 PM
I’ve been trying not to think ahead, but this is a pretty exciting draft. I’m assuming we’ve never had 2 picks this high. Has any team?

And then we have a solid slate of draft picks after. Pretty exciting considering JD has found some players in the latter rounds lately (Bryce Hall, Echols, MC2). If this the year for a Gord? In the latter rounds???
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2022, 11:17:43 PM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/lists/new-york-jets-how-have-other-teams-used-2-top-10-nfl-draft-picks/

I'll take the Chris Samuels/LaVar Arrington or Shawn Springs/Walter Jones combo.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on January 02, 2022, 11:19:36 PM
I’ve been trying not to think ahead, but this is a pretty exciting draft. I’m assuming we’ve never had 2 picks this high. Has any team?

Browns in the Mayfield draft, right?

But yeah, I don't know excrement about college players until I start watching highlights in the offseason but given how good our rookie class looks this year I am really excited about next year's class.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
In a perfect world with those top 69 picks (assuming no trades)
- 1-2 offensive playmakers (WR, TE, maybe even RB at 69)
- 1 startable OL
- 1 edge
- 1-2 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on January 02, 2022, 11:30:48 PM
In a perfect world with those top 69 picks (assuming no trades)
- 1-2 offensive playmakers (WR, TE, maybe even RB at 69)
- 1 startable OL
- 1 edge
- 1-2 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties

Without knowing prospects well, my ideal is edge and WR in round 1, OL and secondary in round 2, LB or TE in round 3.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 02, 2022, 11:34:02 PM
Without knowing prospects well, my ideal is edge and WR in round 1, OL and secondary in round 2, LB or TE in round 3.

I think we need to go LB over CB in this one
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on January 02, 2022, 11:44:26 PM
I think we need to go LB over CB in this one

I dream of Jamien Sherwood being a legit starting LB
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Jumbo on January 03, 2022, 12:15:53 AM
I’ve been trying not to think ahead, but this is a pretty exciting draft. I’m assuming we’ve never had 2 picks this high. Has any team?

And then we have a solid slate of draft picks after. Pretty exciting considering JD has found some players in the latter rounds lately (Bryce Hall, Echols, MC2). If this the year for a Gord? In the latter rounds???

The 1992 Colts are the only team to ever have the top two picks in a draft in any of the four major professional sports leagues.

They took Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt, lol
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2022, 12:36:47 AM
In a perfect world with those top 69 picks (assuming no trades)
- 1-2 offensive playmakers (WR, TE, maybe even RB at 69)
- 1 startable OL
- 1 edge
- 1-2 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties

Using this as a guide... and a little bit of hopefulness

4 - Ikem Ekwonu - OG / OT - NC State
7 - Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
35 - Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
38 - Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
69 - Zach Harrison - Edge - Ohio State
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2022, 10:39:24 AM
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1478403363016433664?s=21

Jags Drafting Neal and Lions or Texans taking a QB would be so clutch
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 04, 2022, 01:24:25 PM
Using this as a guide... and a little bit of hopefulness

4 - Ikem Ekwonu - OG / OT - NC State
7 - Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
35 - Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
38 - Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
69 - Zach Harrison - Edge - Ohio State

I can't see any way Nakobe Dean falls out of the top-15. I think his stock is going to explode in the lead-up to the draft.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2022, 01:36:47 PM
I can't see any way Nakobe Dean falls out of the top-15. I think his stock is going to explode in the lead-up to the draft.

then we hope Devin Lloyd drops to the top of the 2nd rd.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2022, 03:00:21 PM
Leo Chenal surprisingly declared early.  He's a really good LB prospect. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2022, 04:11:13 PM
Leo Chenal surprisingly declared early.  He's a really good LB prospect. 

Uncle Leo...hullo!
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2022, 06:53:53 PM
I can't see any way Nakobe Dean falls out of the top-15. I think his stock is going to explode in the lead-up to the draft.

Oh I don't either, especially if he has an even remotely competent performance in the final. But he's still an early 2nd round prospect in some places.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 04, 2022, 07:02:53 PM
Any good Elijah's or Alijah's declare?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2022, 07:10:09 PM
Any good Elijah's or Alijah's declare?
https://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/massachusetts/concord/concord-carlisle-high-school1/olijah-williams
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 04, 2022, 08:58:42 PM
https://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/massachusetts/concord/concord-carlisle-high-school1/olijah-williams
We definitely need an olijah
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2022, 08:34:52 AM
Y’all got any more of them Michael Carter’s?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2022, 07:07:01 PM
Starting to get horny for the draft
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2022, 07:11:01 PM
Starting to get horny for the draft
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220106/8174793fa889f8680104a8eaedf2c18a.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 05, 2022, 10:34:29 PM
if JD looks at the emergence of Fant as a top option at LT and the use of 1sts on becton/AVT as reasons not to allocate another top 'premium' pick of ours on OL when we have so many other needs, are there any versatile OT/G - type prospects that may be available with one of our 2nd round picks?

obviously have the entirety of the evaluational period to come and have to see how the board plays out, and pick the best players possible, but would be nice knowing how flexible we can be going into it

feels good having this many picks so early in the draft
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2022, 10:42:26 PM
if JD looks at the emergence of Fant as a top option at LT and the use of 1sts on becton/AVT as reasons not to allocate another top 'premium' pick of ours on OL when we have so many other needs, are there any versatile OT/G - type prospects that may be available with one of our 2nd round picks?

obviously have the entirety of the evaluational period to come and have to see how the board plays out, and pick the best players possible, but would be nice knowing how flexible we can be going into it

feels good having this many picks so early in the draft

Boston College’s Zion Johnson
Georgia’s Jamaree Salyer
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 06, 2022, 09:19:43 AM
DeMarvion Overshown is the best name in the draft.

And yes MB, it's better than Storm Duck
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 06, 2022, 09:39:18 AM
DeMarvion Overshown is the best name in the draft.

And yes MB, it's better than Storm Duck

#FearTheQuack
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Laxin on January 07, 2022, 09:15:30 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/

This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 09:20:17 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/

This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.

EDGE 3, 4, and 5 are all better value than Kyle Hamilton
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2022, 09:32:26 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/

This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.

This has me opening up to the idea of thumping nerds in the nose.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 09:45:25 AM
This has me opening up to the idea of thumping nerds in the nose.

Did you know that Jerry Rice wasn't actually good because some analytics nerd made a pie chart? 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on January 07, 2022, 09:47:45 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/

This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.

Translating WAR to football is a losing battle, there are way too many variables on every single play to allow for consistently good grading, and there is too much volatility over a 17 game schedule to determine accurate positional value even given perfect grading.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 09:50:37 AM
You know how to eliminate a rangy safety from most plays?  Run the football.

That safety then becomes a non-coverage player when a defense loads the box and asks that safety to read run.

A player like Jameson Williams also keeps that safety out of the box making it easier to run the football.

If there's one position you can screw with as an offense, it's the safeties.

A guard is more impactful on a football game than a safety. 

An edge player can make an impact on every single play:  they are a run defender, a pass rusher, and sometimes even a coverage player.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
I'd much rather take Stingley than Hamilton.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2022, 11:14:53 AM
I'd much rather take Stingley than Hamilton.

I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.

My man.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 11:32:11 AM
I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.

Me too but I can understand if we decide to take Stingley as the BPA rather than the 3rd edge rusher.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 07, 2022, 11:35:31 AM
I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.
Recency bias at its finest.  Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter.  We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Me too but I can understand if we decide to take Stingley as the BPA rather than the 3rd edge rusher.

I'm going WR/OL over Stingley if need be
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2022, 11:39:46 AM
Recency bias at its finest.  Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter.  We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year

put Hall on Diggs.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
Recency bias at its finest.  Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter.  We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year
Yeah, I like our young DBs but historically it's been difficult to find star-level talent at CB outside the 1st round. 

Of course if one's attitude is just that we can make do with the kind of guys we have there and build elsewhere, fine. But then nobody should have particularly high expectations for those guys.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2022, 11:43:26 AM
Recency bias at its finest.  Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter.  We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year

He's a rookie. Unless you have reason to believe that Echols has already hit his ceiling, maybe let's take time to develop a promising young player before we start thinking about drafting his replacement, eh?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 11:48:29 AM
Daniel Jeremiah's profile of Stingley from last summer: https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-derek-stingley-jr-lsu-corner-reminiscent-of-marshon-lattimore-with-lock

Compares him to Marshon Lattimore.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:17:26 PM
I wouldn’t be upset if our strategy is to run it back with Hall, Echols, Carter, and Pinnock in year 2 (3 for Hall). Those guys have varying degrees of potential, we have nothing but holes at DE, LB, and S

Can’t fix it all at once and I think CB is actually only one of the slight strengths of the team (partially by default because we have barely any strengths)

I wouldn’t count on it to keep up, but JD’s hit rate on late round corners looks good right now. Our DB coach did a hell of a job with this group this year, I wouldn’t mind letting it play out.

I do think we will end up spending some resources at corner, rightfully so. Just saying I won’t care if we ignore it for other positions.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
I wouldn’t be upset if our strategy is to run it back with Hall, Echols, Carter, and Pinnock in year 2 (3 for Hall). Those guys have varying degrees of potential, we have nothing but holes at DE, LB, and S

Can’t fix it all at once and I think CB is actually only one of the slight strengths of the team (partially by default because we have barely any strengths)

I wouldn’t count on it to keep up, but JD’s hit rate on late round corners looks good right now. Our DB coach did a hell of a job with this group this year, I wouldn’t mind letting it play out.

This staff knows how to scout defensive backs.  One of my biggest issues with Rex Ryan was that he claimed to be able to build a defense with a bunch of castoffs, but we kept using first rounders on defensive prospects.

Hopefully this coaching staff pushes Douglas to find sleepers and developmental diamonds in the later rounds like we saw with Seattle.  The reason Seattle got good overnight is because they hit on later round DBs like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor.  Bobby Wagner was also a hell of a find in the second round. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 12:23:55 PM
I hope we bring in a veteran corner in free agency.

Back up the Brinks truck for JC Jackson.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2022, 12:25:56 PM
If LaMarcus Joyner is healthy I wonder if they bring him back, probably get him for vet minimum now and if they liked him as a vet to work with our young secondary last spring then they might still feel the same way.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 12:27:19 PM
If LaMarcus Joyner is healthy I wonder if they bring him back, probably get him for vet minimum now and if they liked him as a vet to work with our young secondary last spring then they might still feel the same way.

He's a safety though, which we do need. 

Ashtyn Davis has been #good down the stretch.  If we get an actual strong safety to play next to him, he can be a longterm starter for us. 

Getting rid of Maye just has to happen.  That's $10M to spend elsewhere. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:32:22 PM
Not gonna do an in depth dive but:

Defense

Passing yards: 29th
Rushing yards: 29th

Here’s where I get lazy-

Yahoo fantasy stats:
Jets allowing:

1st most points to RBs
7th most points to TEs
22nd most points to WRs

I was looking for a way to build my argument that the Jets have had a couple strong individual performances at CB (mainly Hall and MCII) but our pass defense has still been excrement because we have no pass rush, our LB’s and S’s are horrible and can’t cover. Teams don’t even have to go to their WRs when they can kill us underneath. And just run the ball, but that’s a separate topic.

I wouldn’t mind looking at a depth chart with PFF grades, I’m sure our LB’s and S’s grades are a bloodbath
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:35:09 PM
All that said, if Stingley or Hamilton are the BPA at one of our picks, it is what it is. 2 Db’s in the top 7 would be the end of me though.

And if 1 of the picks is DB then I really really want the other pick to be offense. I could live with going EDGE and then DB.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 12:36:31 PM
All that said, if Stingley or Hamilton are the BPA at one of our picks, it is what it is. 2 Db’s in the top 7 would be the end of me though.

And if 1 of the picks is DB then I really really want the other pick to be offense. I could live with going EDGE and then DB.

I agree in theory but in my amateur opinion I don't think either of them would be the BPA at our first pick. The Seattle pick is debatable.

Positional values aside, our CB/S situations are not strong enough to pass on one IF you think they're the BPA.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Jumbo on January 07, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
I'm inclined to avoid Hamilton after how Malik Hooker turned out (realizing injuries are an issue aside, he isn't some all world player). At the back end of the first maybe but unless you're getting Ed Reed or Polamalu which is hardly a guarantee, I don't see the justification for using a top 15 pick on a safety under any circumstance.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:54:05 PM
I just don’t think it’s the way you build a team. I don’t care how good Hamilton is, without a bunch of other upgrades our defense would still suck next year.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:55:23 PM
I agree in theory but in my amateur opinion I don't think either of them would be the BPA at our first pick.

I don’t think so either so hopefully we can move on from that idea
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 12:59:44 PM
Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Neal, Stingley, and Hamilton have been the consensus top-5 players in the draft for a while now. Obviously, there's plenty of time for this to change and I'm sure it will in the lead-up to the draft but it's definitely well within the realm of possibility that Stingley and Hamilton are the best players available for our first pick (at least according to the industry).
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 01:05:06 PM
Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Neal, Stingley, and Hamilton have been the consensus top-5 players in the draft for a while now. Obviously, there's plenty of time for this to change and I'm sure it will in the lead-up to the draft but it's definitely well within the realm of possibility that Stingley and Hamilton are the best players available for our first pick (at least according to the industry).

Hutchinson was most definitely not.  He rose up. 

We had rankings with Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell in the top three. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 01:06:12 PM
A guy like Travon Walker is an elite prospect that was overshadowed due to media coverage of Jordan Davis.

30+ QB pressures, elite weight room numbers, extremely versatile

There's an argument to be made that he's better than Hutchinson
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2022, 01:10:25 PM
Hutchinson was most definitely not.  He rose up. 

We had rankings with Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell in the top three. 

I know you hate him, but I'm a little surprised that Rattler didn't declare instead of transferring. I know he didn't have a great season but he's going to have to have a great one to be a more attractive prospect in 2023 against the quality of prospects coming out. He could easily be QB 5 or 6 at best next year if he doesn't light it up, he'd probably be 3 at worst this year.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 01:15:20 PM
Hutchinson was most definitely not.  He rose up. 

We had rankings with Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell in the top three. 

I'm aware of that. By a while, I really just meant since Hutch fully established himself in that group. The rest of them have been there since before the season started.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2022, 01:17:10 PM
I know you hate him, but I'm a little surprised that Rattler didn't declare instead of transferring. I know he didn't have a great season but he's going to have to have a great one to be a more attractive prospect in 2023 against the quality of prospects coming out. He could easily be QB 5 or 6 at best next year if he doesn't light it up, he'd probably be 3 at worst this year.

Rattler is Malachai Boardman
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
I think Hutchinson has become a bit overrated as a talent. He seems like a guy who will be a very good to borderline elite player that never quite lives up to the expectations of a top-3 pick. Basically what Quinnen is right now...
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 01:27:30 PM
I know you hate him, but I'm a little surprised that Rattler didn't declare instead of transferring. I know he didn't have a great season but he's going to have to have a great one to be a more attractive prospect in 2023 against the quality of prospects coming out. He could easily be QB 5 or 6 at best next year if he doesn't light it up, he'd probably be 3 at worst this year.

He got benched and acted like a punk.  His stock was at an all-time low.  He at least transferred to a program that needs him.  He'll have some decent weapons at South Carolina, plus he gets to play for the guy that recruited him to Oklahoma. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 01:28:05 PM
Rattler is Malachai Boardman

He's the taxi driver from A Guy Thing
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2022, 01:35:33 PM
He's the taxi driver from A Guy Thing

I prefer NoHo Hank
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on January 07, 2022, 07:35:18 PM
Rattler's a Victor Varnado-Bart Simpson hybrid
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 07, 2022, 08:10:10 PM
He's a rookie. Unless you have reason to believe that Echols has already hit his ceiling, maybe let's take time to develop a promising young player before we start thinking about drafting his replacement, eh?
Promising young player?  He's a 6th round pick that was average.  How about we bring in some competition and if he wins out he keeps the job.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 07, 2022, 11:15:15 PM
Promising young player?  He's a 6th round pick that was average.  How about we bring in some competition and if he wins out he keeps the job.
A rookie being "average" is pretty good and promising.

Nobody is saying to hand him the job next year. But I think we can treat it as a lower priority need than some of our other needs. We should bring in some competition but I dont think we should be where we spend a top 10 pick unless someone is blatantly the BPA.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 08, 2022, 07:10:01 AM
Promising young player?  He's a 6th round pick that was average.  How about we bring in some competition and if he wins out he keeps the job.

Echols has elite timed speed and he’s made several plays on the football, including a pick six.

I said this earlier in the week, but Seattle became a league power overnight because they hit on several mid and late round defensive players.

Bryce Hall, Brandin Echols, and Michael Carter II all look like hits.  Of course we can look to upgrade the position but we’re worse off at LB, S, and EDGE on defense.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 08, 2022, 08:46:18 AM
Bryce Hall, Brandin Echols, and Michael Carter II all look like hits.  Of course we can look to upgrade the position but we’re worse off at LB, S, and EDGE on defense.

i said this in another thread. get these boys a consistent pass rush and let them cook.

in totality echols' rookie year may only be average, but he made some big strides and has looked a better player these last several weeks, which all in all is a great thing to see from what was a late round pick.

our DBs have been playing with an inconsistent, average at best pass rush and 1 LB all year
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 08, 2022, 09:00:44 AM
A rookie being "average" is pretty good and promising.

Nobody is saying to hand him the job next year. But I think we can treat it as a lower priority need than some of our other needs. We should bring in some competition but I dont think we should be where we spend a top 10 pick unless someone is blatantly the BPA.
That's more reasonable of a take.  I just think we need to take off or green tinted lenses for a minute
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 08, 2022, 09:10:49 AM
That's more reasonable of a take.  I just think we need to take off or green tinted lenses for a minute

More reasonable a take than what?

If we're going to talk about reasonable takes, let's remember that I'm not the one advocating using a top ten pick to replace a promising rookie because he got lit up by one of the best receivers in the league.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 08, 2022, 09:26:37 AM
More reasonable a take than what?

If we're going to talk about reasonable takes, let's remember that I'm not the one advocating using a top ten pick to replace a promising rookie because he got lit up by one of the best receivers in the league.
Echols looked completely lost at times this year, but okay act like he played like Revis for 15 games except one where he got burned.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2022, 09:31:28 AM
Echols looked completely lost at times this year, but okay act like he played like Revis for 15 games except one where he got burned.
I'm not sure what your expectations are here, man. Do you think this defense can't function without 2 probowlers at the CB position or something?

Echols, Carter II and Hall all got better as the season progressed...and I expect them to continue to improve in 2022.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 08, 2022, 09:47:42 AM
Echols looked completely lost at times this year, but okay act like he played like Revis for 15 games except one where he got burned.

Please, go ahead and show me where I said anything remotely like that.

I referred to Echols as promising. You called him average. Smalls said that average = promising when it comes to a rookie, and you decided that was "more reasonable of a take". So you disagree with me calling him promising, but you agree that average is promising, while also believing that promising is the same as playing like Revis.

Walk away from this one, eh?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 08, 2022, 09:48:23 AM
I'm not sure what your expectations are here, man. Do you think this defense can't function without 2 probowlers at the CB position or something?
No, I think it would be nice to have one probowl cornerback.

Echols played great for a 6th round rookie, but going into year 2 draft status doesn't matter.  Echols got abused and looked lost during games during a season where we did not go up against the top passing offenses.

-  We played 7 of the leagues ten worst passing offenses.
-  we lost to the bucs and titans without two of their probowl recievers.  In both games their qbs threw for 300+ yards
-  we lost to sam darnold, taysom hill, gardner minshew teddy Bridgewater, Mac Jones x2, Tua x2, and we barely beat tyrod taylor and Trevor lawrence

Excuse me if I think resting on our laurels is a good idea at cb
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 08, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
Please, go ahead and show me where I said anything remotely like that.

I referred to Echols as promising. You called him average. Smalls said that average = promising when it comes to a rookie, and you decided that was "more reasonable of a take". So you disagree with me calling him promising, but you agree that average is promising, while also believing that promising is the same as playing like Revis.

Walk away from this one, eh?
Elijah moore, Michael Carter, avt are promising young players.

Brandon Echols outplayed his draft position.  Happy?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2022, 11:07:52 AM
No, I think it would be nice to have one probowl cornerback.

Echols played great for a 6th round rookie, but going into year 2 draft status doesn't matter.  Echols got abused and looked lost during games during a season where we did not go up against the top passing offenses.

-  We played 7 of the leagues ten worst passing offenses.
-  we lost to the bucs and titans without two of their probowl recievers.  In both games their qbs threw for 300+ yards
-  we lost to sam darnold, taysom hill, gardner minshew teddy Bridgewater, Mac Jones x2, Tua x2, and we barely beat tyrod taylor and Trevor lawrence

Excuse me if I think resting on our laurels is a good idea at cb
Jeff Okudah was taken 3rd overall by the Lions 2 seasons ago. He's only played 9 games in total, cant stay healthy, and has a single INT.


Drafting a DB in the top 10 doesn't automatically make them a probowler.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 08, 2022, 12:18:32 PM
The CBs have shown enough this season to warrant carrying them as starters into next season, possibly adding a FA depending on who shakes loose.

The safety position is in much worse shape, EDGE looks terrible. Adding another pass rusher to hurry the QB or adding a better safety to help over top will make the CBs look much better. Even if we draft a first round CB and he turns out to be Richard Sherman 2.0, it's not going to make the pass rush any better or improve the safety play.

Improving the EDGE or safety positions will make the CBs better. Improving the CB position won't help the pass rush or safeties nearly as much. Make the choice that improves the whole unit.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Laxin on January 08, 2022, 03:19:40 PM
When it comes to corner, I’m fine with bringing in a vet and/or continuing with the same mid round volume strategy.

If the pass rush improves, the corners will be fine.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Shellder Richardson on January 09, 2022, 12:23:52 AM
A guy like Travon Walker is an elite prospect that was overshadowed due to media coverage of Jordan Davis.

30+ QB pressures, elite weight room numbers, extremely versatile

There's an argument to be made that he's better than Hutchinson

The greatest trick Jordan Davis ever pulled was convincing the world that Jalen Carter didn't exist.

Guy is gonna go HIGH next year...
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.

Where is the highest you would draft him now?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2022, 10:51:37 AM
I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.

Where is the highest you would draft him now?

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
17h
Alabama's Jameson Williams, the projected top WR in the 2022 NFL Draft, tore his ACL last night vs. Georgia, per sources. Doctors believe that, after surgery within the next 10 days, Williams will retain his sub 4.3 speed, and they expect a full recovery.



if the doctors are correct, still might be worth taking him in the top 10.  Depends if you're willing to roll the dice, and that you trust your team doctor with your job.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 12, 2022, 11:00:10 AM
I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.

Where is the highest you would draft him now?
pick 69
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2022, 11:03:11 AM
I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.

Where is the highest you would draft him now?

the teens

I think if he slips into the 20s, Douglas should try to move back into the first for him
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2022, 11:27:13 AM
I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.

Where is the highest you would draft him now?
He's still in play at 4 for me. Due diligence szn.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 12, 2022, 12:06:34 PM
I didn't have a firm tier of the top-level receivers, but I think he would have to go to the back end of the top-tier receivers.

I would ideally like Wilson to be able to build chemistry with his new stud receiver in practice, which might not happen if Williams is rehabbing. That's why I wouldn't take him at 4 or 10 anymore. But there becomes a point where that talent is worth it, and that is probably mid-late round 1.

If we find a way to trade down out of 4 or 10, I'd love to either take Williams with that new pick, or use those picks to move back up to get him.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 12, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
I didn't have a firm tier of the top-level receivers, but I think he would have to go to the back end of the top-tier receivers.

I would ideally like Wilson to be able to build chemistry with his new stud receiver in practice, which might not happen if Williams is rehabbing. That's why I wouldn't take him at 4 or 10 anymore. But there becomes a point where that talent is worth it, and that is probably mid-late round 1.

If we find a way to trade down out of 4 or 10, I'd love to either take Williams with that new pick, or use those picks to move back up to get him.
I'm still holding out hope that
1.  Packers win the super bowl
2.  Aaron Rodgers retires
3.  As a result, Davante adams chooses to leave GB
4.  Aaron rodgers has a man crush on Zach Wilson after our training camp practices this year and tells DA to go to NY to play with him, the second coming of AR
5.  Matt Lafleur let's him leave because he wants Mike to be successful

I think there is a 50/50 chance this happens
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2022, 01:50:38 PM
I'm still holding out hope that
1.  Packers win the super bowl
2.  Aaron Rodgers retires
3.  As a result, Davante adams chooses to leave GB
4.  Aaron rodgers has a man crush on Zach Wilson after our training camp practices this year and tells DA to go to NY to play with him, the second coming of AR
5.  Matt Lafleur let's him leave because he wants Mike to be successful

I think there is a 50/50 chance this happens

you should bring your cocaine dealer as your +1 to the next tailgate.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2022, 04:55:24 PM
Iowa TE Sam LaPorta is staying in school
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2022, 05:18:56 PM
Iowa TE Sam LaPorta is staying in school
chiudere la porta
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
chiudere la porta

LaPorta Potty
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2022, 06:57:46 PM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
17h
Alabama's Jameson Williams, the projected top WR in the 2022 NFL Draft, tore his ACL last night vs. Georgia, per sources. Doctors believe that, after surgery within the next 10 days, Williams will retain his sub 4.3 speed, and they expect a full recovery.



if the doctors are correct, still might be worth taking him in the top 10.  Depends if you're willing to roll the dice, and that you trust your team doctor with your job.

with the state of these sorts of surgeries and how far we've come, they very well may be correct, but there is no way to absolutely, 100% guarantee that he will retain sub 4.3 speed. you never know until you see what happens. he may come back a completely different player, we don't know. they have to say that to remain postured as a top WR prospect, but it would be absolutely crazy to expend one of our first round picks on a risk like that.

on top of that, if we take a WR that high, i'd actually like them to be available and fully healthy this year to build with zach, and be a weapon for him. that wouldn't happen with williams if he has to spend the next 9-12 months rehabbing

using a 1st on williams is completely out for me

trading one of our 2nd rounders for ridley becomes a more appealing move now
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 15, 2022, 07:13:01 PM
"Sub-4.3 speed"

He's fast, but I doubt that.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2022, 07:15:08 PM


on top of that, if we take a WR that high, i'd actually like them to be available and fully healthy this year to build with zach, and be a weapon for him. that wouldn't happen with williams if he has to spend the next 9-12 months rehabbing

This is where I'm at although I can't rule him out in the 1st.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2022, 11:43:37 AM
Throw all of the picks at offense

How else are we going to keep up in a game with Mahomes/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2022, 11:46:27 AM
Throw all of the picks at offense

How else are we going to keep up in a game with Mahomes/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
Ekwonu/Linderbaum coming up
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 12:06:48 PM
The Chiefs are just insanely fortunate offensively.

They've been so good (lucky?) at finding top offensive talent late (Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman, Travis Kelce) that they were able to use a first rounder on a running back.  And that RB is being outplayed by Jerick McKinnon.

No high draft picks on the offensive line either.  They traded for Orlando Brown, spent big on Thuney, were able to pull Kyle Long off the couch because they're contenders, and they hit on Creed Humphrey outside of the first round.

They don't have first round picks.  They traded the farm to move up for Mahomes and then traded again to protect him with Orlando Brown.  They also traded premium picks for Frank Clark (an edge). 

KC's front office is using premium picks to acquire proven talent at premium positions.

The Jets seriously need to consider moving a premium pick for a proven playmaker or offensive lineman.  That's how we can help Zach Wilson. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 12:08:31 PM
I love the draft more than just about anybody, but if we can move some of these picks for great, proven offensive talent, make the freaking trade.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2022, 12:32:23 PM
This offseason is so insanely critical if we're going to contend while Wilson is on his rookie contract.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2022, 12:54:56 PM
The Chiefs are just insanely fortunate offensively.

They've been so good (lucky?) at finding top offensive talent late (Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman, Travis Kelce) that they were able to use a first rounder on a running back.  And that RB is being outplayed by Jerick McKinnon.

No high draft picks on the offensive line either.  They traded for Orlando Brown, spent big on Thuney, were able to pull Kyle Long off the couch because they're contenders, and they hit on Creed Humphrey outside of the first round.

They don't have first round picks.  They traded the farm to move up for Mahomes and then traded again to protect him with Orlando Brown.  They also traded premium picks for Frank Clark (an edge). 

KC's front office is using premium picks to acquire proven talent at premium positions.

The Jets seriously need to consider moving a premium pick for a proven playmaker or offensive lineman.  That's how we can help Zach Wilson. 

I've been saying this for a while.

This is the offseason to trade for veteran help. We have a surplus of draft picks, and we need talent now. Even if it's a defensive guy we trade for, we need to start winning something next year to finally change the narrative and build some momentum for 2023 and 2024 when we will hopefully be contenders.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 12:56:21 PM
Even if it's a defensive guy we trade for

Danielle Hunter should be a top target
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 12:59:28 PM
Danielle Hunter should be a top target

He's missed 26 of the last 33 games due to injuries. 


Great player....but we already paid for a question mark in Carl Lawson.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 01:07:49 PM
He's missed 26 of the last 33 games due to injuries. 


Great player....but we already paid for a question mark in Carl Lawson.

Trade a fourth for him
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2022, 01:36:08 PM
He's missed 26 of the last 33 games due to injuries. 


Great player....but we already paid for a question mark in Carl Lawson.
And that's why he would be available. And that's also part of why Lawson was available.

You're not going to find some superstar player available without flaws unless you are willing to give up all those beautiful draft picks.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
And that's why he would be available. And that's also part of why Lawson was available.

You're not going to find some superstar player available without flaws unless you are willing to give up all those beautiful draft picks.

Of course Lawson was available...he was a UFA.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 02:18:00 PM
Of course Lawson was available...he was a UFA.

Cincinnati let him go because he couldn't stay healthy though.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 02:19:07 PM
Cincinnati let him go because he couldn't stay healthy though.

So...you want to roll the dice on a player with similar injury flags?  At least Lawson wasn't coming off an injury.



he would need to come here on the cheap, while not giving up premium picks to get him.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
So...you want to roll the dice on a player with similar injury flags?

I want Joe Douglas to roll the dice on talent.  Hunter is two seasons removed from having back to back 14.5 sack seasons.

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 03:57:28 PM
I want Joe Douglas to roll the dice on talent.  Hunter is two seasons removed from having back to back 14.5 sack seasons.



He has rolled the dice on talent, and got burned last offseason (Lawson, Joyner, C.Davis, J. Davis, V. Curry). 


He's going to have to roll the dice again, but i expect him to be cautious when it comes to players with significant injury histories.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
He has rolled the dice on talent, and got burned last offseason (Lawson, Joyner, C.Davis, J. Davis, V. Curry). 

Take a step back for a moment: 

Lamarcus Joyner, Jarrad Davis, and Vinny Curry

These are role players, at best. 

Carl Lawson and Corey Davis are starting caliber players with injury history.  Both ended up getting hurt, which sucked.  But they were worth the risk.  They also were able to test free agency because they had that issue. 

He didn't roll the dice trying to sign a bunch of band-aid pieces like Joyner/Davis/Curry.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 04:17:52 PM
Take a step back for a moment: 

Lamarcus Joyner, Jarrad Davis, and Vinny Curry

These are role players, at best. 

Carl Lawson and Corey Davis are starting caliber players with injury history.  Both ended up getting hurt, which sucked.  But they were worth the risk.  They also were able to test free agency because they had that issue. 

He didn't roll the dice trying to sign a bunch of band-aid pieces like Joyner/Davis/Curry.

Joyner wasn't a band-aid, he was hand picked to start. Same with Jarrad Davis.

Vinny Curry is the only role-player rotational guy they took a swing on.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
Joyner wasn't a band-aid, he was hand picked to start. Same with Jarrad Davis.

then why did they only sign one year deals?  Short term, stopgaps

Joyner was going to be our third safety behind Maye and Davis
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 04:28:46 PM
then why did they only sign one year deals?  Short term, stopgaps

Joyner was going to be our third safety behind Maye and Davis

I thought Joyner was hand-picked by Saleh.

ok, i'll buy the short term/stop gap theory....you want to bring D.Hunter here for a 4th round pick and on a 1 yr prove it deal, sign me up.


Do i want to trade a 2nd rounder and give him a Carl Lawson type contract....not really.


if we're gonna trade premium picks away, i'd rather bring in JC Jackson....or C.Ridley (if his head is on straight).
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2022, 04:29:07 PM
Joyner wasn't a band-aid, he was hand picked to start. Same with Jarrad Davis.

Vinny Curry is the only role-player rotational guy they took a swing on.
I'm not sure what your solution is here. You're supposed to roll the dice on talent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone can get hurt. Usually injury-prone guys have that baked into their contracts.

And outside of Lawson and Corey Davis, everyone else was a stopgap/bandaid solution. Joyner and Davis were 1-year deals to be bandaids until we found more permanent solutions.

Sheldon Rankins worked out in a similar deal (and we gave him 2 years). Joyner and Curry and Jarrad Davis did not.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
I'm not sure what your solution is here. You're supposed to roll the dice on talent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone can get hurt. Usually injury-prone guys have that baked into their contracts.

And outside of Lawson and Corey Davis, everyone else was a stopgap/bandaid solution. Joyner and Davis were 1-year deals to be bandaids until we found more permanent solutions.

Sheldon Rankins worked out in a similar deal (and we gave him 2 years). Joyner and Curry and Jarrad Davis did not.

My solution is to trade draft capital for elite vets that aren't perennial injured.  I get what Hunter was 2 years ago....but he broke down his last two seasons
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2022, 04:37:54 PM
My solution is to trade draft capital for elite vets that aren't perennial injured.  I get what Hunter was 2 years ago....but he broke down his last two seasons
Elite veterans that aren't perennially injured don't get traded. And if they do, they get traded for a king's ransom.

Hunter is coming off two major injuries and wants to get paid. That combination should dent his trade value. If that is enough to scare you off, that's fine, but you're not finding "elite vets that aren't perennially injured" in the trade market unless you want to give up multiple 1sts.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
Elite veterans that aren't perennially injured don't get traded. And if they do, they get traded for a king's ransom.

Hunter is coming off two major injuries and wants to get paid. That combination should dent his trade value. If that is enough to scare you off, that's fine, but you're not finding "elite vets that aren't perennially injured" in the trade market unless you want to give up multiple 1sts.

And that brings me back to my original opinion of passing on Hunter.  Minny is going to want premium picks for him....they can eat excrement instead.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
And that brings me back to my original opinion of passing on Hunter.  Minny is going to want premium picks for him....they can eat excrement instead.
They will want them. I don't know if they will still get them. I would give up a 3rd for Hunter though. Even this year in 7 games, he still had as many sacks as anyone on the Jets (6). I definitely wouldn't give up 4 or 10, but I would kick the tires on all these veteran pass rushers that could be on the trade market (Hunter, Mack, etc).
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2022, 05:32:29 PM
One thing is for sure.  Whoever we sign will have an injury history by the end of 2022.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on January 24, 2022, 10:51:28 PM
If we are trading legitimate draft capital (top 3 round picks) I want freaking legitimate weapons. I heard Seattle and DK Metcalf are having issues. If that’s real I’d gladly send them 10 back for him.

Calvin Ridley is a good player tough situation. It’s a gamble for a guy who needs to rehab his mind to the point football can be his sole focus. Can he do that in the bright lights of New York? That’s usually the place that breaks people mentally not builds them back up.

What legitimate TEs might be available for trade? Ertz is off the market as is the Philly TE who had a career day against us. Schultes I suppose could be a tag and trade guy. But I suspect it’s more likely they try and keep him and deal Cooper as he’s getting older and costs zillions. He’s also a guy I’d trade some mid round capital for. Lots of talent, getting a bit older, being over paid for recent production and frankly we are giving Dallas cap relief and that’s a big reason why he might be cheaper on the trade market than some other guys
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 25, 2022, 02:43:25 PM
On 12/5 I took Kayvon to be the #1 pick at -110 odds.

Same book now was Hutchinson to be the #1 pick at -150 odds and Kayvon at +200


12/5
Kayvon -110

12/17
Hutch -150
Kayvon +200

1/25
Kayvon +165
Hutch +190
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on January 25, 2022, 05:00:54 PM

12/5
Kayvon -110

12/17
Hutch -150
Kayvon +200

1/25
Kayvon +165
Hutch +190
Is kayvon still the best odds or are you excluding others
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2022, 09:08:36 AM
Is kayvon still the best odds or are you excluding others

1/26

Kayvon +165
Hutch +185
Neal +210
Ekwonu +475
Pickett +3300

Bet is for #1 pick - Only players currently listed are above. BetOnline.com
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2022, 09:13:53 AM
At those odds Pickett has to be worth a couple of bucks, it's far from unheard of for some QB needy team to fall in love with a guy during the run up and trade up to make sure they get him ahead of anyone else trading up.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2022, 09:16:08 AM
At those odds Pickett has to be worth a couple of bucks, it's far from unheard of for some QB needy team to fall in love with a guy during the run up and trade up to make sure they get him ahead of anyone else trading up.

Nobody is trading up to 1 for Pickett....or any QB in this draft.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2022, 09:18:18 AM
Nobody is trading up to 1 for Pickett....or any QB in this draft.

Probably not, but like I said - at those odds it's worth a couple of bucks. Lots of needy teams this year and pickings are slim.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2022, 09:22:34 AM
Probably not, but like I said - at those odds it's worth a couple of bucks. Lots of needy teams this year and pickings are slim.

the QB trade market will be busier this year than last year.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2022, 09:25:01 AM
the QB trade market will be busier this year than last year.

Yeah, but there's a lot of excrement around and potentially a number of big names gone without obvious replacements.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2022, 09:34:50 AM
Yeah, but there's a lot of excrement around and potentially a number of big names gone without obvious replacements.

Jeff George has been available for 25 years.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2022, 09:53:10 AM
the QB trade market will be busier this year than last year.
Last year was busier than average I think.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2022, 10:05:37 AM
Last year was busier than average I think.

probably exacerbated by the Watson hoopla.  Stafford, Darnold, Goff, and Bridgewater all found new homes.


Should be just as busy this year with higher profile QBs potentially moving around:  Watson, R.Wilson, A.Rodgers, Jimmy G, etc
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2022, 10:20:29 AM


probably exacerbated by the Watson hoopla.  Stafford, Darnold, Goff, and Bridgewater all found new homes.

And Wentz too.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on February 01, 2022, 07:16:37 AM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1488391585515511813?s=20
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 01, 2022, 08:06:55 AM
Listened to the latest Move the Sticks podcast and they were talking about the East West Shrine game.

Is this something we should care about?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2022, 08:42:40 AM
Listened to the latest Move the Sticks podcast and they were talking about the East West Shrine game.

Is this something we should care about?
Might be good for learning day 3 prospects.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 01, 2022, 09:28:45 AM
Listened to the latest Move the Sticks podcast and they were talking about the East West Shrine game.

Is this something we should care about?

If you want to watch some football this week with some weird athletic QBs, then you should check it out
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on February 01, 2022, 07:58:50 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0 (https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0)

Don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but there are some interesting rankings.

Ekwonu 2nd overall
Sauce in the top 5
Thibs at 6
Leal at a shocking 44

If Leal is still on the board in the 2nd round, I'd have no problem taking him. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 01, 2022, 10:29:03 PM
Things I found interesting

Dean at 7

WR's 9-11

9. Wilson - Comp: Stefon Diggs
10. London - Comp: Mike Williams
11. Burks - Comp: AJ Brown

Has Jameson Williams ranked 30th.

Quay Walker 3rd ranked LB after Dean and Lloyd
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 01, 2022, 10:37:49 PM
I wonder where he'd have Williams if he didn't have the ACL

Quay Walker is really good too
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2022, 01:26:51 PM
At those odds Pickett has to be worth a couple of bucks, it's far from unheard of for some QB needy team to fall in love with a guy during the run up and trade up to make sure they get him ahead of anyone else trading up.

I threw a dolla on him to be first pick and a dolla to be first QB drafted back in the fall

Hopefully he opts out of the combine hand measurements as well lol
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2022, 01:27:45 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0 (https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0)

Don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but there are some interesting rankings.

Ekwonu 2nd overall
Sauce in the top 5
Thibs at 6
Leal at a shocking 44

If Leal is still on the board in the 2nd round, I'd have no problem taking him. 

Came here to post this, and highlight the top 6 guys you mentioned above
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on February 02, 2022, 08:02:07 PM
@uSTADIUM
Was definitely some chatter today in the press circles that Joe Douglas LOVES USC wideout Drake London. Keep your eyes peeled there.

https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1489007988916596742


Totally legit source says we like London
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on February 02, 2022, 09:36:27 PM
@uSTADIUM
Was definitely some chatter today in the press circles that Joe Douglas LOVES USC wideout Drake London. Keep your eyes peeled there.

https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1489007988916596742


Totally legit source says we like London

I like London, and since my ability to judge college wrs is trash (going all the way back to my crush on Limas Sweed) he clearly will be a disaster of a player.

Setting aside my own personal thoughts, anything we hear right now is out there for a legitimate reason. Douglas has been too tight lipped (and so has our FO) for this to have any legs. I will say, weird time to start that rumor though. You would think it would be about a senior bowl participant since that’s at least topical.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 03, 2022, 07:10:25 PM
You would think it would be about a senior bowl participant since that’s at least topical.

yeah, that's why it's completely made up bullshit for clicks
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 03, 2022, 10:23:09 PM
Nick Spano has zero hoes and zero sources
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on February 03, 2022, 10:41:40 PM
Nick Spano is guano

https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1489436619530813446
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:41:37 PM
https://twitter.com/kayvont/status/1490125355226599424?s=20&t=W4rklm_l1eo5jzJkPG8BnA

If Thibs is there at 4, run to the podium.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on February 20, 2022, 05:39:07 AM
https://twitter.com/Playlikeajet1/status/1495232904259162126?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1495232904259162126%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.theganggreen.com%2Fthreads%2Fthe-edge-guy-to-draft.96993%2Fpage-2

I’ll just dump that tweet here and toss H a bit of kudos for that call weeks ago about Travon Walker
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2022, 07:36:43 AM
https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1495383225824419841?t=cfIZZsrIf6MlN2OWA6ZXSQ&s=19

Draft Velvet Jones in the 12th round and replace Berrios with him.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on February 24, 2022, 12:54:21 PM
nfl.com big board and prospect profiles are out

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/ (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/)
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
nfl.com big board and prospect profiles are out

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/ (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/)

Kyle Hamilton is the highest rated prospect? 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
There just isn't that much drop off from Hamilton to Hill/Brisker/Cine/Cook

Hill and Cook are probably the best scheme fits for us
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2022, 01:02:57 PM
Oh, it's Lance Zierlein. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: ons on February 24, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
nfl.com big board and prospect profiles are out

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/ (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/)

Drake London at 37 (?) seems really low.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2022, 04:11:18 PM
Drake London at 37 (?) seems really low.

It's a great resource to see the prospects in the draft, but his rankings are trash
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2022, 04:28:06 PM
I like when guys aren't afraid to give their own opinion and go against the grain on a grade.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 24, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
I like when guys aren't afraid to give their own opinion and go against the grain on a grade.

I don't like it when their opinions stink
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2022, 05:23:20 PM
I don't like it when their opinions stink
Smalls is still defending the hill he died on for Geno Smith.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2022, 05:38:54 PM
Smalls is still defending the hill he died on for Geno Smith.
Not sure what this has to do with anything, but you do you.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2022, 07:50:51 PM
Not sure what this has to do with anything, but you do you.

you said this:

I like when guys aren't afraid to give their own opinion and go against the grain on a grade.

it applies to your former opinions regarding Geno Smith
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2022, 08:24:41 PM
you said this:

it applies to your former opinions regarding Geno Smith
I thought Geno was a 2nd round QB prospect and we took him in round 2. And he's lasted in the. NFL over a decade. I never thought he was great, I just wanted to see it through since we made the investment. And thst's what the Jets were going to do until IK, which rightly changed things.

Again, absolutely nothing to do with the current topic or anything I said.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2022, 08:50:23 PM
I thought Geno was a 2nd round QB prospect and we took him in round 2. And he's lasted in the. NFL over a decade. I never thought he was great, I just wanted to see it through since we made the investment. And thst's what the Jets were going to do until IK, which rightly changed things.

Again, absolutely nothing to do with the current topic or anything I said.

I think your nose is growing.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on February 25, 2022, 07:20:22 AM
For reference on his grades (he said on twitter they are slightly different than the explanations at the bottom of the page)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMS4EO7XwAUetHF?format=jpg&name=small)

For reference, last year's picks grades
Zach Wilson 6.5
Alijah Vera-Tucker 6.43
Elijah Moore 6.43
Michael Carter 6.21
Jamien Sherwood 5.9
Michael Carter II 5.94
Jason Pinnock 5.88
Hamsah Nasirildeen 6.19
Brandin Echols 5.8
Jonathan Marshall 5.85
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 25, 2022, 09:55:12 AM
For reference on his grades (he said on twitter they are slightly different than the explanations at the bottom of the page)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMS4EO7XwAUetHF?format=jpg&name=small)

For reference, last year's picks grades
Zach Wilson 6.5
Alijah Vera-Tucker 6.43
Elijah Moore 6.43
Michael Carter 6.21
Jamien Sherwood 5.9
Michael Carter II 5.94
Jason Pinnock 5.88
Hamsah Nasirildeen 6.19
Brandin Echols 5.8
Jonathan Marshall 5.85

Interesting. What was Trevor Lawrence's grade?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on February 25, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Interesting. What was Trevor Lawrence's grade?
7.4
Next highest was Pitts at 7.19
Wilson was rated 12th
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 25, 2022, 01:50:33 PM
7.4
Next highest was Pitts at 7.19
Wilson was rated 12th

That's quite the gap between Wilson and Lawrence.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 25, 2022, 01:53:52 PM
Listened to the latest Move the Sticks Podcast.

Here's some tidbits on the WR class:

Bucky Brooks' WR Rankings
1. London
2. Jameson Williams
3. G. Wilson
4. Dotson
5. Burks

DJ's top 2
1. G Wilson
2. London

DJ:
"Dotson has the best hands of any WR in the draft"
"Drake London is Tee Higgins but better"
"I see a lot of Antonio Brown in Skyy Moore"
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2022, 02:12:04 PM
That's quite the gap between Wilson and Lawrence.

There was quite the gap

Lawrence is a generational QB prospect
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2022, 02:13:06 PM
Higgins was a vertical threat at Clemson.  London was never really a threat like that at USC.

I don’t get that comparison other than size.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 25, 2022, 03:05:29 PM
There's zero consensus on the top-6 receivers. Hopefully this will be cleared up somewhat after the combine/pro days. London seems to present the highest upside to most people, excluding Williams who people are downgrading due to the injury. Wilson seems to present the best combination of floor/ceiling. Burks is awesome and seems to be flying under the radar for some people.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2022, 03:09:30 PM
Burks seems like the guy that Draft and Fantasy Twitter absolutely love but draft analysts are mixed on.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2022, 03:23:14 PM
Burks seems like the guy that Draft and Fantasy Twitter absolutely love but draft analysts are mixed on.

It’s starting to remind me of how Metcalf was seen by those guys
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on February 25, 2022, 03:33:29 PM
It’s starting to remind me of how Metcalf was seen by those guys

"Weaknesses: weaknesses too well-hidden, undraftable"
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on February 25, 2022, 04:41:19 PM
Higgins was a vertical threat at Clemson.  London was never really a threat like that at USC.

I don’t get that comparison other than size.
They are both tall, but even their body types are not really that similar
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2022, 05:45:50 PM
They are both tall, but even their body types are not really that similar
One claps louder than the other
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2022, 07:21:16 PM
They are both tall, but even their body types are not really that similar

No but both were freak athletes that general fans and analytical guys loved, and the NFL overthought Metcalf. The general public is wrong a lot but they were right this time.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: casman02 on March 02, 2022, 05:25:37 PM
Man is Kyle Hamilton gonna look good in the Green and White


Predicted back in September
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2022, 05:32:23 PM
Predicted back in September

JACKASS

I'LL KILL YOU
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2022, 06:40:17 PM
JACKASS

I'LL KILL YOU
Kyler Hamilbaum
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 05, 2022, 11:36:37 PM
Think it's fair to argue at this point that five of the top-10 players in this draft are edge rushers.

Here's how I would currently stack the top-10:

1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, EDGE, Oregon
2. Travon Walker, EDGE, Georgia
3. Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan
4. Ikem Ekwonu, G/OT, N.C. State
5. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama
6. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame
7. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
8. Derek Stingley Jr., CB, LSU
9. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
10. Jermaine Johnson II, EDGE, Florida State
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2022, 12:17:30 AM
Thibs
Hutchinson
Walker
Ekwonu
Stingley
Gardner
Neal
Cross
Burks
Hamilton
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2022, 04:43:25 AM
Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports Jets general manager Joe Douglas has been "gushing" about Arkansas WR Treylon Burks.
Pauline said Burks, who is 6'2" and 225 pounds and ran a 4.55 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, is the top wideout on the Jets' draft board. "Whether or not Burks’ subpar Combine performance changes that ranking remains to be seen," Pauline said. "Not only did Burks test poorly, but he did not look good in position drills." Burks, fresh off an 1,104-yard, 12-touchdown season at Arkansas, would make for an intriguing addition to a receiver room with Elijah Moore. The Jets have two top-10 draft picks.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on March 06, 2022, 05:27:06 AM
As I said before, if Douglas is saying these things where guys like Pauline can hear them, you can virtually lock it in that Burks is not our target at WR.

That said this is the second WR Douglas is either “gushing” about or “in love with” after Drake London new dropped during the senior bowl week.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 06, 2022, 09:09:20 AM
The one time Heis wants Tony Pauline to be right
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2022, 09:16:56 AM
The one time Heis wants Tony Pauline to be right
You cannot make....Tony Pauline right.  The gods don't allow it.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 06, 2022, 10:52:03 AM
thibs/burks is what i am hoping for
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Gorilla on March 06, 2022, 01:11:14 PM
thibs/burks is what i am hoping for

My pre-free agency dream is Thibs/Gardner, but I'd be happy with Thibs/Douglas' WR1 as well.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 15, 2022, 02:49:20 PM
Since we lost Fats in FA and have a space open on the DL, would Jordan Davis be a fit in Saleh's D?

Who are some of the DL kids we should keep an eye on?

Or does Rankins just move into that role?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on March 15, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
With the gaps on the offensive line and secondary filled, would I be upset if we traded up and got Saleh's EDGE1? 

I would not. 

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2022, 03:28:42 PM
Who are some of the DL kids we should keep an eye on?

Travon Walker
Perrion Winfry
DeMarvin Leal
Travis Jones
Phidarian Mathis
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2022, 03:29:32 PM
Jonathan Marshall can step up
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2022, 05:32:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1503861102781865990?s=20


#DulcichSZN
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2022, 01:04:27 PM
Jim Nagy is a great hypeman for any Senior Bowl guys.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2022, 10:20:53 AM
1/26

Kayvon +165
Hutch +185
Neal +210
Ekwonu +475
Pickett +3300

Bet is for #1 pick - Only players currently listed are above. BetOnline.com


3/25

Different book

Georgia EDGE Travon Walker has skyrocketed up the most important board, Vegas betting odds board (@BetMGM). #NFLDraft

Walker has the 2nd best odds to be 1st Overall (+600), only behind Aidan Hutchinson.

Walker is tied with Kyle Hamilton for best odds to be 2nd Overall (+350).
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2022, 02:41:49 PM
I thought this was an interesting breakdown of Hutchinson, although I don't know how correct it is. You can start at 3:00 for the interesting stuff and skip the preamble and the embedded commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZDosIAshtY&ab_channel=AlexRollinsNFL
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on March 27, 2022, 09:13:13 AM
Watching a bit of Dameon Pierce this morning.  Me likey. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2022, 02:16:25 PM
DJ new top 50

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-3-0

Doing his part to make sure Thibodeaux is there for us.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2022, 12:53:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1509212185981079557?s=20&t=PZzQh1VPjZ1xeVZfASbdoA
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 30, 2022, 05:20:59 PM
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Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2022, 05:36:06 PM
I feel like Willis or Pickett are almost worth a small bet at those odds, because with #10 as well I suspect we'd listen to trade offers for #4. We know Carolina want a QB, we just need them to worry that either the Giants love a QB and want to give Daboll a clean slate to start with, or that the Giants are willing to trade out with someone else who wants to get ahead of them. It's a long shot but the odds are really strong.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on March 30, 2022, 08:00:29 PM
I feel like Willis or Pickett are almost worth a small bet at those odds, because with #10 as well I suspect we'd listen to trade offers for #4. We know Carolina want a QB, we just need them to worry that either the Giants love a QB and want to give Daboll a clean slate to start with, or that the Giants are willing to trade out with someone else who wants to get ahead of them. It's a long shot but the odds are really strong.
Combine that with the all the free betting dollars going around and I think you are onto something
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 01, 2022, 06:02:40 PM
Quote
Antwan V. Staley @antwanstaley
I asked Oregon’s Kayvon Thibodeaux what was the most ridiculous thing he’s heard  during the pre-draft process and his answer was: “that I’m not the best player in this draft.”

Draft. This. Beast.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on April 02, 2022, 08:14:52 AM
I feel like Willis or Pickett are almost worth a small bet at those odds, because with #10 as well I suspect we'd listen to trade offers for #4. We know Carolina want a QB, we just need them to worry that either the Giants love a QB and want to give Daboll a clean slate to start with, or that the Giants are willing to trade out with someone else who wants to get ahead of them. It's a long shot but the odds are really strong.
Anyone seeing any of the major books taking these bets?  I'm not seeing it on draftkings, betmgm or ceasers.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 04, 2022, 05:05:32 PM
Josh Paschal is a monster as a player and fits the Saleh-Douglas prototype super well. Two year team captain and winner of UK’s man of the year award. Great vs the run, powerful inside and out, and pretty athletic/sudden for a guy you’d went as a 43 end who slides inside. I don’t think he’ll end up a Jet because I think we address DE earlier with a more prototypical edge player, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he goes in the first round.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2022, 01:22:55 PM
I like Sauce Gardner, but I feel he's a reach at 4.  I don't feel like any corner is ever close to a sure thing.  Not that anyone is, but at 4 they damn well better be as solid as possible.  I don't know if we would actually draft an OL after getting Laken, but to me, the 2 closest players to a sure thing are Travon Walker and Ekwonu.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Laxin on April 06, 2022, 01:38:58 PM
I like Sauce Gardner, but I feel he's a reach at 4.  I don't feel like any corner is ever close to a sure thing.  Not that anyone is, but at 4 they damn well better be as solid as possible.  I don't know if we would actually draft an OL after getting Laken, but to me, the 2 closest players to a sure thing are Travon Walker and Ekwonu.

What kind of sure things is Travon Walker? He’s no sure thing as a typical Edge player imo
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2022, 01:40:49 PM
What kind of sure things is Travon Walker? He’s no sure thing as a typical Edge player imo

He's a sure thing as an elite run defender and a chess piece for a front, but he's all potential as a pass rusher

It's a huge swing if you take him in the top five
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2022, 04:43:03 PM
Wisconsin DT Matt Henningsen is an animal. 

I've been watching Leo Chenal today and Henningsen is the standout on that Wisconsin defense. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2022, 12:20:21 PM
SMU's Danny Gray is a mid-round wideout I really like

He tested really well, but those SMU skill guys can usually fly so I kind of just placed him in that same category ...he's a really great YAC player though

I was surprised
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 07, 2022, 02:47:56 PM
SMU's Danny Gray is a mid-round wideout I really like

He tested really well, but those SMU skill guys can usually fly so I kind of just placed him in that same category ...he's a really great YAC player though

I was surprised
What do you think of Romeo Doubs?

He’s got a poor man’s Davante vibe that I figured might catch your eye.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
What do you think of Romeo Doubs?

He’s got a poor man’s Davante vibe that I figured might catch your eye.

He'll be a steal.  He was schemed open a lot at Nevada, but he knows how to use his body to box guys out in contested situations and he stems/stacks his routes really well.  He's a way better route runner than he gets credit for.  I've seen him labeled as a deep threat a lot but that was really just Nevada's offense (shot plays off play action). 

There's some really good route runners that will be available in the middle rounds:  Doubs, UCLA's Kyle Phillips, and Nebraska's Samori Toure.

Danny Gray and Justyn Ross are more boom/bust than the more polished wideouts
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 08, 2022, 05:01:30 PM
I'm warming to the idea of pairing David Ojabo on Day 2 with Travon Walker at 1.04.  Walker gets in there from the get-go and immediately improves our run defense while Ojabo heals, learns, and maybe chips in as a situational rusher later in the season.  Walker/Jabo would reach free agency in separate years and it gives us options next season with Lawson, who doesn't have guaranteed money after this year.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2022, 05:08:12 PM
Admittedly I'm checked out of the draft this year compared to most years, but I think there are lots of combinations at 4 and 10 I'd be happy with.  I think the only thing I'd be against is moving up from either of those spots.  I'm always game for a trade down but it never happens.  I'd be bummed to draft Hamilton or London early, but honestly I don't know why beyond parroting excrement I hear.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2022, 05:31:01 PM
I'm warming to the idea of pairing David Ojabo on Day 2 with Travon Walker at 1.04.  Walker gets in there from the get-go and immediately improves our run defense while Ojabo heals, learns, and maybe chips in as a situational rusher later in the season.  Walker/Jabo would reach free agency in separate years and it gives us options next season with Lawson, who doesn't have guaranteed money after this year.

This is the way.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 08, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
This is the way.
Travo/Jamo/Jabo
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
Travo/Jamo/Jabo

Migos
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 08, 2022, 10:22:03 PM
Travo/Jamo/Jabo

Match up nicely woth Calo
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 08, 2022, 11:30:04 PM
Migos

I’d rather any 3 bulldogs

Walker/Dean/Wyatt/Cine/Walker/Tindall
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 12, 2022, 08:22:27 AM
Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLYnMmQKzeI

Chris Simms EDGE Rankings

1. Aidan Hutchinson

2. Travon Walker

3. Jermaine Johnson

4. George Karlaftis

5. Nik Bonitto

On Thibs: "No where near a top 10 pick." too stiff and upright, no physically dominant traits...
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2022, 08:26:15 AM
He's drunk
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2022, 08:29:16 AM
I don’t know how anyone could watch Thibs tape and then Jermaine Johnsons tape back to back and think Johnson is a better edge rusher today and a better athlete.

You want to talk about mental/off field concerns that make you question one guy or promote the other? That’s a different thing that none of us are privy too. But how on earth can you look at the tape and think Thibs isn’t a good prospect and that Johnsons is actually more advanced?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2022, 08:35:00 AM
Simms should stick to QB evaluations only.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2022, 10:37:44 AM
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
·
16m
No such thing as a perfect comp but I do think it's a helpful exercise. A couple for this edge group:
Hutchinson-Jared Allen
Thibodeaux-Shawne Merriman
Jermaine Johnson-Danielle Hunter
Karlaftis-Ryan Kerrigan
Bonitto-Cliff Avril
Paschal-Boogie Basham
Mafe-Kwity Paye
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2022, 10:53:54 AM
If Hutchinson was black, would they still compare him to Jared Allen?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 12, 2022, 11:11:01 AM
*Chris Simms loves Zach Wilson*

"Everyone knows Chris Simms is the best draft analyst out there."

*Chris Simms hates Kayvon Thibodeaux*

"Stick to quarterbacks, poopchute."
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 12, 2022, 11:35:09 AM
If Hutchinson was black, would they still compare him to Jared Allen?

LOL that was my first thought. "Think of a white edge rusher that isn't built like a truck..... got it."
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2022, 12:22:31 PM
LOL that was my first thought. "Think of a white edge rusher that isn't built like a truck..... got it."
I figured Hutch wore a cowboy hat too
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 13, 2022, 06:30:23 AM
Over the past couple of days Nania has pumped out a couple interesting articles on JD's 'type' of player he prefers to draft. Essentially it's all about RAS score and high upside. I don't know that this constitutes a 'type' of player for JD, but it does show tendencies, and interestingly enough the guys without high RAS scores all of them seem to be poor picks thus far outside of the Michael Carters.

Initial article talking about JD being a high RAS guy - https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/11/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-draft-specific-type/

In the follow up, he used the premise that JD would have significantly higher grades on high RAS guys, and generated a list of guys that the Jets would likely have low interest in drafting in the early rounds. Lots of interesting names on that list. Including basically all the top WRs we keep going round and round about save for Williams and London as they didn't test.

Second article: https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/12/ny-jets-avoid-draft-prospects-joe-douglas-tendencies/

Notables:

Garrett Wilson
Treylon Burks
Jahan Dotson
Skyy Moore
Wandale Robinson
Daniel Faalele
Darian Kinnard
Roger McCreary

My purpose in posting the articles is not to completely agree with Nania that Douglas wouldn't draft any of these guys, or argue that other guys (like Burks perhaps) tested far weaker than their tapes would indicate but to take a look at the discussion points overall. We noticed it last year as Douglas swung on big athletes with high upside/potential in the later rounds. It is actually an even more prominent tendency through the first 3 rounds having never drafted a player (who tested) below an 8.86 RAS score.

In a quick check all of the top 5 edge guys meet the RAS metric as does Pickens, Watson and Alec Pierce as the 'higher' WR's, with Olave just below at 8.68. Some guys, like London and Williams did not test, and I expect with London's size 'bonus' he would be close if not on there and if healthy I think we all expect Williams speed to put him up there.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 13, 2022, 10:53:41 AM
Nania added a 3rd article today, this one identifying those with an RAS over 9.0 at all positions as he feels most of our targets will be on the list

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/13/joe-douglas-tedencnies-ny-jets-2022-draft-target/

again, interesting to think about...
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 13, 2022, 10:54:22 AM
Nania added a 3rd article today, this one identifying those with an RAS over 9.0 at all positions as he feels most of our targets will be on the list

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/13/joe-douglas-tedencnies-ny-jets-2022-draft-target/

again, interesting to think about...

Just fast forward the next 2 weeks...i need the freaking draft to happen.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2022, 07:24:55 AM
Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc?  Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 14, 2022, 07:29:05 AM
Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc?  Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.

None whatsoever
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2022, 07:31:20 AM
None whatsoever

thibs might've fucked Daniel Jeremiah's wife
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2022, 07:46:09 AM
thibs might've fucked Daniel Jeremiah's wife
Here's what DJ said about him in his top 50  What isn't correct?  He has him as the #10 overall prospect.  Seems lower than some, but not aggregious.

Quote
Thibodeaux has ideal size (6-5, 258), length and explosiveness. He moved up and down the line of scrimmage in the Ducks' scheme, but primarily stood up on the edge. He shows a tremendous burst off the snap and excels using his inside arm to stab, create space, close and finish. He also has an effective shake/bull move to rock and displace offensive tackles. Thibodeaux does have some ankle tightness at the top of his rush; he isn't an elite bender. Against the run, he easily stacks blocks vs. tackles and tight ends while locating the football. He has speed to close from the back side but his effort is spotty. Overall, Thibodeaux doesn't have ideal flexibility, but his blend of speed and power should translate successfully at next level.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2022, 07:47:12 AM
Here's what DJ said about him in his top 50  What isn't correct?  He has him as the #10 overall prospect.  Seems lower than some, but not aggregious.


being ranked #10 isn't correct....Thibs is easily top 3.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 14, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
being ranked #10 isn't correct....Thibs is easily top 3.

In terms of DJs write up, it’s clear his talent is undeniable. I’d guess it really comes down to the worry of “takes plays off”

If that speaks to you about an attitude concern/issue that doesn’t jive with your mentality/what you want in a player, then he will be lower. If you think you can get the best out of him, or don’t care if he gives you 85% a few snaps a game, then you write that off and he’s in your top 5 guys.

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 14, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
Here's what DJ said about him in his top 50  What isn't correct?  He has him as the #10 overall prospect.  Seems lower than some, but not aggregious.

Remember, DJ is a genius if he fits the board narrative, and he's an idiot if he doesn't.

Just like Chris Simms is a genius if he likes Zach Wilson, but he's an idiot for hating Thibodeaux.

I get if people don't love Thibodeaux. He's not a can't-miss prospect.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on April 14, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
being ranked #10 isn't correct....Thibs is easily top 3.
If this is egregious, I'm curious on your opinion on what he does better than any other DE prospect.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2022, 03:04:03 PM
I have no idea honestly, I just keep hearing rumbles about him putting forth less effort here and there.  I'm not sure what's keeping all the draftniks from being bonered up like they are for Hutchinson if it isn't that.  What does Hutchinson do better?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: delavan on April 14, 2022, 03:04:42 PM
Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc?  Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.

They love him:
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/13/23020270/2022-sb-nation-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions-kayvon-thibodeaux

Other recent takes:
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-scouts-coaches-execs-kayvon-thiboedeaux-oregon-2022-nfl-draft
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2022, 03:09:03 PM
They love him:
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/13/23020270/2022-sb-nation-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions-kayvon-thibodeaux

Other recent takes:
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-scouts-coaches-execs-kayvon-thiboedeaux-oregon-2022-nfl-draft


I found the weakness!

Quote
It’s been noted that Thibodeaux has interests outside of football. He released an NFT and launched his own cryptocurrency, $JREAM, in 2021 at Oregon.

Take him off the board.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: mj2sexay on April 14, 2022, 08:05:11 PM
Loved the idea of Thibs to the Jets until I found out he's dabbling in NFT's, absolutely disqualifying, get him out!
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 14, 2022, 08:19:51 PM
Loved the idea of Thibs to the Jets until I found out he's dabbling in NFT's, absolutely disqualifying, get him out!

I'm more intrigued by the idea of him setting up his own cryptocurrency. I'm simultaneously amused and appalled by the idea that someone can simply invent new money for themselves off the strength of a personal brand.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 15, 2022, 12:23:13 AM
https://twitter.com/pff_austingayle/status/1514757861657747460?s=21&t=aMUSHCHk_WxTFQbE2lZShw

Everyone knows how I feel about PFF.

Instead of “grading” players, they should do more analysis like this.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 15, 2022, 12:30:23 AM
I feel every time I take a look at one of these types of stats, Jermaine Johnson is very low on the list.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Jumbo on April 15, 2022, 12:54:53 AM
I feel every time I take a look at one of these types of stats, Jermaine Johnson is very low on the list.

Karlaftis also looks awful here.

Mafe, Bonitto, Ebikeite should all be candidates at 35 and 38 if we don't get an edge in the first.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 15, 2022, 04:10:57 AM
Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc?  Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.

He's actually 47 years old with a bone on bone knee condition.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 15, 2022, 05:43:26 AM
https://twitter.com/pff_austingayle/status/1514757861657747460?s=21&t=aMUSHCHk_WxTFQbE2lZShw

Everyone knows how I feel about PFF.

Instead of “grading” players, they should do more analysis like this.

To me this is the type of excrement that analytics should be about.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 15, 2022, 06:03:51 AM
Karlaftis also looks awful here.

Mafe, Bonitto, Ebikeite should all be candidates at 35 and 38 if we don't get an edge in the first.


I think the only one that might still be there is Bonitto, and that’s because he seems to be a great pass rusher but not very good against the run right now. I expect Mafe and Ebiketie to both go in the 20s.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: insanity on April 15, 2022, 06:14:35 AM
I feel every time I take a look at one of these types of stats, Jermaine Johnson is very low on the list.
That's because he's overrated
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 15, 2022, 06:30:04 AM
That's because he's overrated

He is not a top 5 player (even in this weaker class) and I don't know that I would prefer him over Karlaftis at 10, even though I now think I could get Karlaftis at 20.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 15, 2022, 07:43:35 PM

I think the only one that might still be there is Bonitto, and that’s because he seems to be a great pass rusher but not very good against the run right now. I expect Mafe and Ebiketie to both go in the 20s.
I think Bonitto’s ceiling is as a stand up linebacker that teams let attack and chase. He won’t be able to hold up on the edge in a 34, but I think he can really be a good player for the right team.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 15, 2022, 08:50:36 PM
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/ (https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/)

Douglas drafts team captains, so here's a list of team captains. 

You guys are going to love the Jordan Davis - Tyler Linderbaum Era. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 15, 2022, 09:26:58 PM
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/ (https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/)

Douglas drafts team captains, so here's a list of team captains. 

You guys are going to love the Jordan Davis - Tyler Linderbaum Era. 

I’d rather the Aidan Hutchinson and Nakobe Dean era. But to each his own
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2022, 10:42:44 PM
If this is egregious, I'm curious on your opinion on what he does better than any other DE prospect.
Much cooler name
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2022, 10:49:03 PM
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/ (https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/)

Douglas drafts team captains, so here's a list of team captains. 

You guys are going to love the Jordan Davis - Tyler Linderbaum Era.
Now somebody cross reference this with our list of visits.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 16, 2022, 12:51:46 AM
Now somebody cross reference this with our list of visits.

Reubens post about visits. I put a star in front of name for a captain. Unable to find data in Nanias list on Karlaftis, Bj Baylor and Tariq carpenter

New York Jets
B.J. Baylor, Running Back, Oregon State (VIR)
Treylon Burks^, Wide Receiver, Arkansas (COM, PRI)
Tariq Carpenter, Safety, Georgia Tech (WOR)
Lewis Cine, Safety, Georgia (PRI)
*Nakobe Dean, Outside Linebacker, Georgia (COM)
Ikem Ekwonu, Offensive Tackle, N.C. State (PRI)
Ahmad Gardner^, Cornerback, Cincinnati (COM, PRI)
*Aidan Hutchinson, Defensive End, Michigan (PRI)
Jermaine Johnson, Defensive End, Florida State (PRI)
George Karlaftis^, Defensive End, Purdue (COM, PRO)
Isaiah Likely, Tight End, Coastal Carolina (PRI)
*Tyler Linderbaum, Center, Iowa (COM)
Jake Luketa, Inside Linebacker, Penn State (PRI)
*Evan Neal, Offensive Guard, Alabama (PRI)
*Chris Olave, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Jeremy Ruckert, Tight End, Ohio State (COM)
Tyler Smith, Offensive Tackle, Tulsa (PRO)
Derek Stingley^, Cornerback, LSU (COM, PRI)
*Pierre Strong Jr., Running Back, South Dakota State (VIR)
Kayvon Thibodeaux^, Defensive End, Oregon (COM, PRO, PRI)
Travon Walker, Defensive End, Georgia (PRI)
Jameson Williams, Wide Receiver, Alabama (PRI)
Malik Willis, Quarterback, Liberty (COM)
Garrett Wilson, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Perrion Winfrey, Defensive Tackle, Oklahoma (PRI)
Devonte Wyatt, Defensive Tackle, Georgia (PRI)

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
VIR - Virtual Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2022 Senior Bowl or the 2022 East-West Shrine Game

————————-

This tells me either we aren’t as focused on captains this year, OR we didn’t feel the need to interview them directly. I’m also reminded that we had so much access to guys at the senior bowl it wouldn’t be surprising at all if we didn’t use precious meeting time on guys we already learned enough about there. In fact I think we only had visits (per this list anyways) with 4 senior bowl participants. Jermaine Johnson, Perrion Winfrey, Jeremy Ruckert and Jesse Luketa
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 16, 2022, 06:31:52 AM
Captain smokescreen.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 16, 2022, 07:35:08 AM
https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/status/1511348293309276163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511348293309276163%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.theganggreen.com%2Fthreads%2Fwide-receiver-situation.97265%2Fpage-20

Some non-pff nerds created a new metric with some interesting results. Seems to be missing a few guys (Sauce Gardner for instance) that I’m not sure why. But it combines on-field production with on-field “functional athleticism” (no idea how they measure this mind you…) to create a “Relative athlete score” which to me would imply it should be used to compare guys within positions, but they listed out the top 150 guys regardless. As for how each metric is weighted, someone will have to reverse engineer that one.

Top 5

Kayvon Thibideaux
Drake London
Jameson Williams
Chris Olave
Kingsley Enagbare

I’m sure Ananias will write an article this weekend telling me what to think of this metric/numbers mess
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 17, 2022, 11:12:44 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/)

Top 5.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 17, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/)

Top 5.

too bad he isn't a 3 down player.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 18, 2022, 10:04:04 AM
https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1516030875623956481?s=20&t=WyhgOwDpV9JI03OThmRhJA


inject this into my veins
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2022, 10:08:17 AM
Reubens post about visits. I put a star in front of name for a captain. Unable to find data in Nanias list on Karlaftis, Bj Baylor and Tariq carpenter

New York Jets
B.J. Baylor, Running Back, Oregon State (VIR)
Treylon Burks^, Wide Receiver, Arkansas (COM, PRI)
Tariq Carpenter, Safety, Georgia Tech (WOR)
Lewis Cine, Safety, Georgia (PRI)
*Nakobe Dean, Outside Linebacker, Georgia (COM)
Ikem Ekwonu, Offensive Tackle, N.C. State (PRI)
Ahmad Gardner^, Cornerback, Cincinnati (COM, PRI)
*Aidan Hutchinson, Defensive End, Michigan (PRI)
Jermaine Johnson, Defensive End, Florida State (PRI)
George Karlaftis^, Defensive End, Purdue (COM, PRO)
Isaiah Likely, Tight End, Coastal Carolina (PRI)
*Tyler Linderbaum, Center, Iowa (COM)
Jake Luketa, Inside Linebacker, Penn State (PRI)
*Evan Neal, Offensive Guard, Alabama (PRI)
*Chris Olave, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Jeremy Ruckert, Tight End, Ohio State (COM)
Tyler Smith, Offensive Tackle, Tulsa (PRO)
Derek Stingley^, Cornerback, LSU (COM, PRI)
*Pierre Strong Jr., Running Back, South Dakota State (VIR)
Kayvon Thibodeaux^, Defensive End, Oregon (COM, PRO, PRI)
Travon Walker, Defensive End, Georgia (PRI)
Jameson Williams, Wide Receiver, Alabama (PRI)
Malik Willis, Quarterback, Liberty (COM)
Garrett Wilson, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Perrion Winfrey, Defensive Tackle, Oklahoma (PRI)
Devonte Wyatt, Defensive Tackle, Georgia (PRI)
Leonard Johnson, Cornerback, Duke (PRO)
Taysir Mack, Wide Receiver, Pittsburgh (PRI)
Bo Melton, Wide Receiver, Rutgers (LOC)
Brandon Smith, Outside Linebacker, Penn State (PRI)
Demetrius Taylor, Defensive Tackle, Appalachian State (PRO)
Jaylen Watson, Cornerback, Washington State (VIR)


SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
VIR - Virtual Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2022 Senior Bowl or the 2022 East-West Shrine Game

————————-

This tells me either we aren’t as focused on captains this year, OR we didn’t feel the need to interview them directly. I’m also reminded that we had so much access to guys at the senior bowl it wouldn’t be surprising at all if we didn’t use precious meeting time on guys we already learned enough about there. In fact I think we only had visits (per this list anyways) with 4 senior bowl participants. Jermaine Johnson, Perrion Winfrey, Jeremy Ruckert and Jesse Luketa

Updated
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 18, 2022, 11:05:30 AM
Who is Taysir Mack?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 18, 2022, 11:20:20 AM
Who is Taysir Mack?

Wide Receiver. Plays for Pitt.

HTH
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: dcm1602 on April 18, 2022, 01:07:00 PM
With reports from the all invaluable rotoworld blurbs, apparently Jacksonville is interested in drafting offense and Detroit has drafting a QB on the table.

I'd have to think the odds of us getting one of the top two pass rushers is more than plausible

And if Detroit is seriously contemplating a QB at 2, that presumably also means teams wanting to trade up for a QB is surely going to be on the table, at least depending on what Detroit does
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 18, 2022, 01:43:48 PM
Who is Taysir Mack?

Quick Scouting Report: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Taysir-Mack-WR-Pittsburgh

I remember Syracuse fans being up in arms they lost out on him in the recruiting game a few years back. Elusive dude, has some speed and some 'wiggle' don't remember him ever popping up for Pitt. I would think he is strictly a ST guy if he's not on any 'experts' boards out there.

Edit: Found more on him https://jetsfansunited.com/threads/taysir-mack-wr-scouting-report.22289/

Side note: What the hell is Jets fans united?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 18, 2022, 01:47:43 PM
With reports from the all invaluable rotoworld blurbs, apparently Jacksonville is interested in drafting offense and Detroit has drafting a QB on the table.

I'd have to think the odds of us getting one of the top two pass rushers is more than plausible

And if Detroit is seriously contemplating a QB at 2, that presumably also means teams wanting to trade up for a QB is surely going to be on the table, at least depending on what Detroit does

It's been lying season for a while now. But the final 10 days leading up to the draft you shouldn't believe a single word anybody has to say right now. I believe the most reliable 'stuff' we have heard usually comes waaaaay back in January/February before the senior bowl even really gets going. Everything since then is smoke, mirrors and a large amount of misdirection.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: dcm1602 on April 18, 2022, 02:08:33 PM
It's been lying season for a while now. But the final 10 days leading up to the draft you shouldn't believe a single word anybody has to say right now. I believe the most reliable 'stuff' we have heard usually comes waaaaay back in January/February before the senior bowl even really gets going. Everything since then is smoke, mirrors and a large amount of misdirection.

It is lying season

But why the freak would the first overall pick lie, Jacksonville lying about drafting offense isn't going to make a trade market for the first pick.

And if Detroit is interested in drafting a QB, they're not going to trade the pick.

I get that it's lying season, but neither of these make sense as intentional lies or smoke screens.

Now whether they're flat out stupid, wrong, or bullshit.

That's a different story
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
With reports from the all invaluable rotoworld blurbs, apparently Jacksonville is interested in drafting offense and Detroit has drafting a QB on the table.

I'd have to think the odds of us getting one of the top two pass rushers is more than plausible

And if Detroit is seriously contemplating a QB at 2, that presumably also means teams wanting to trade up for a QB is surely going to be on the table, at least depending on what Detroit does

The scenario I've been entertaining myself with is Tackle first overall, QB to Detroit, and then Houston pass on Hutchinson because they assumed he would be off the board and they forced themselves to fall in love with someone who wouldn't be. 

Hutch at 4.  Much happy.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 18, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
It is lying season

But why the freak would the first overall pick lie, Jacksonville lying about drafting offense isn't going to make a trade market for the first pick.

And if Detroit is interested in drafting a QB, they're not going to trade the pick.

I get that it's lying season, but neither of these make sense as intentional lies or smoke screens.

Now whether they're flat out stupid, wrong, or bullshit.

That's a different story

Because Spy games are absurd is the root of it.

If the Jags want defense/defense at 1 and 33, and teams think “well they almost took a T at 1, they probably will target one at 33” might enable a team to trade ahead of them for a T pushing a guy down to them. Or a team may not want an OT but thinks the Jags do, so they don’t jump them for their guy.

As for Detroit, if there is anyone out there believing they might take a QB that wants one, perhaps that forces a trade to 1 and a QB goes #1 and then voila Hutch is in their laps.

Does any of that make sense or seem logical? Not at all. But these teams play spy games for a reason and that’s mostly because confusion is a big key for them. If no one knows then they feel better about it for whatever reason
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 18, 2022, 02:36:08 PM
The scenario I've been entertaining myself with is Tackle first overall, QB to Detroit, and then Houston pass on Hutchinson because they assumed he would be off the board and they forced themselves to fall in love with someone who wouldn't be. 

Hutch at 4.  Much happy.

Speak it into existence
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 18, 2022, 03:58:30 PM
Chris Simms Top 5 TE

1. Ruckert
2. McBride
3. Dulcich
4. Likely
5. James Mitchell (Va Tech)
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2022, 08:58:59 AM
Drafting defense is for losers but this seems like one of the better LB and S drafts in recent memory
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
I still hate Kyle Hamilton and safeties in general but it feels like he’s become underrated at this point. Still not an option for me at 4.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 19, 2022, 10:35:50 AM
I'm a little surprised we haven't checked out Jahan Dotson at all, he seems like he would be a good fit in this system.  Maybe he's too similar to Moore. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 19, 2022, 11:33:19 AM
I still hate Kyle Hamilton and safeties in general but it feels like he’s become underrated at this point. Still not an option for me at 4.
He needed to run well to be an option at 4, and he didn't run well.

If the Jets take Hamilton at 10, I would be somewhat excited because I trust Saleh to know exactly what he's looking for in this defense, and Hamilton can be an exciting player who can potentially be a massive difference maker.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 19, 2022, 08:12:05 PM
definitely a weak approach but kind of at the point where if we don't have our guy available at 4, would be okay with a reach for one of our 5-9 guys that may not make it to 10. to me that guy is sauce. EDGE or sauce
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2022, 09:59:05 AM
I'm not a stat nerd at all, but I thought this was interesting:

Top WR Seasons by % of Receptions coming on Contested Catches (minus screens)
(Power 5 only, min. 800 receiving yards to qualify, 2017-2021)

1 N'Keal Harry, 2018
2 JJ Arcega-Whiteside, 2018
3 Jalen Reagor, 2018
4 DRAKE LONDON, 2021
5 Denzel Mims, 2019
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2022, 10:07:34 AM
I'm not a stat nerd at all, but I thought this was interesting:

Top WR Seasons by % of Receptions coming on Contested Catches (minus screens)
(Power 5 only, min. 800 receiving yards to qualify, 2017-2021)

1 N'Keal Harry, 2018
2 JJ Arcega-Whiteside, 2018
3 Jalen Reagor, 2018
4 DRAKE LONDON, 2021
5 Denzel Mims, 2019

Harry is one of the worst separators I've ever seen in the NFL.  Mims is pretty bad too.   

I'd much rather have a receiver that can get open than someone that wins 50/50 balls. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 22, 2022, 10:18:08 AM
Harry is one of the worst separators I've ever seen in the NFL.  Mims is pretty bad too.   

I'd much rather have a receiver that can get open than someone that wins 50/50 balls. 

Arcega-Whiteside converted to TE apparently
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2022, 10:32:13 AM
Arcega-Whiteside converted to TE apparently

He stinks
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 22, 2022, 10:42:21 AM
He stinks

that whole list stinks.

I want to draft the wideout that gets separation.  Drake London is not dat dude.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Gorilla on April 22, 2022, 11:17:11 AM
that whole list stinks.

I want to draft the wideout that gets separation.  Drake London is not dat dude.

For his size and for a 20-yr-old, he actually does a nice job. Not at a Jameson/GWilson level, but he obviously has a different skill-set. It depends on what JD and MLF are looking for.

Like you, I do lean Wilson, but I'd be cool with London. Without the ankle, he might have been the consensus no-brainer #1 WR prospect, who knows. I like London's versatility as a big slot in certain packages.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 22, 2022, 11:20:38 AM
For his size and for a 20-yr-old, he actually does a nice job. Not at a Jameson/GWilson level, but he obviously has a different skill-set. It depends on what JD and MLF are looking for.

Like you, I do lean Wilson, but I'd be cool with London. Without the ankle, he might have been the consensus no-brainer #1 WR prospect, who knows. I like London's versatility as a big slot in certain packages.

you mean Williams.

Garrett Wilson is no slouch either.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Gorilla on April 22, 2022, 11:24:22 AM
you mean Williams.

Garrett Wilson is no slouch either.

Youre right, Jameson. I also prefer both over London.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2022, 12:29:22 PM
Connor Rogers talked about London's ability to win in the quick game, which I've always been a fan of.  But are you drafting a guy in the Top 10 to run slants? 

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 22, 2022, 02:18:32 PM
Regardless of whether we draft or trade for a receiver, I want someone who can take the top off a defense.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 22, 2022, 02:56:36 PM
Connor Rogers talked about London's ability to win in the quick game, which I've always been a fan of.  But are you drafting a guy in the Top 10 to run slants? 



I’d also expect Williams/Wilson/Olave to win a fuckton of slants in the league as well. So no, I’m not drafting a wr at 10 to win on slants. I expect that as a baseline from a prospect that highlY rated and want more from a guy that early.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2022, 03:03:40 PM
I’d also expect Williams/Wilson/Olave to win a fuckton of slants in the league as well. So no, I’m not drafting a wr at 10 to win on slants. I expect that as a baseline from a prospect that highlY rated and want more from a guy that early.

You can use a big bodied wideout differently in the quick game.  Tighter windows because they can box out.

It’s how we tried to use Corey Davis and he was just inconsistent.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 22, 2022, 04:12:53 PM
You can use a big bodied wideout differently in the quick game.  Tighter windows because they can box out.

It’s how we tried to use Corey Davis and he was just inconsistent.

No issue with any of that. But i want more than that if I’m taking a WR top 10. I should be able to find a bigger bodied guy who can catch slants and shield his defender from the ball (as his only real skill) later in the draft
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 23, 2022, 11:58:14 AM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1517859381001342980?t=-wonO5LpjGfUMr96_FiixA&s=19

Interesting way of saying it.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1517859381001342980?t=-wonO5LpjGfUMr96_FiixA&s=19

Interesting way of saying it.


it was a passive aggressive way of saying our current roster stinks at most positions.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 23, 2022, 12:57:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1517859381001342980?t=-wonO5LpjGfUMr96_FiixA&s=19

Interesting way of saying it.


An actual potential draft for us (whether you like it or not)

Kayvon Thibodeaux
Jameson Williams
Nakobe Dean
Lewis Cine

I think Jeremiah would be spot on if we draft those four guys or an amalgamation of similar players at those spots
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2022, 01:16:18 PM
An actual potential draft for us (whether you like it or not)

Kayvon Thibodeaux
Jameson Williams
Nakobe Dean
Lewis Cine

I think Jeremiah would be spot on if we draft those four guys or an amalgamation of similar players at those spots
Yeah, I don't think it's that crazy of a statement, especially if you take a broader view of "talented."

- Carl Lawson is a very good edge when healthy, but he's coming off a torn Achilles, and you could argue the top edges are more talented on paper.

- I love Elijah Moore and I like Corey Davis, but you can argue any of the WRs at 10 are better than them.

- Linderbaum is more talented than McGovern.

- A top-40 safety is probably more talented than any of our current safeties.

- Sauce or Stingley are more talented than any of our current corners. Maybe Duff, too.

- Some of the day 2 running backs could be considered more talented than Carter.

- Hell, if you aren't totally sold on Becton or Fant, you can certainly argue Neal or Ekwonu are more talented as well.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: bojanglesman on April 23, 2022, 02:27:30 PM
I don't think Dean makes it out of the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2022, 02:42:28 PM
I don't think Dean makes it out of the 1st round.

If he does, we better move up to 33 to get him
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 23, 2022, 02:50:17 PM
If he does, we better move up to 33 to get him

freak that. It’s going to cost 117 either way, so go up to 31 and secure the guy and bonus net that fifth year option
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 23, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
it was a passive aggressive way of saying our current roster stinks at most positions.

Pretty sure that wasn't his intent considering he's best buds with our GM. I took it as him only trying to highlight our opportunity to get significantly better quickly with those picks.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 23, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Last year's draft and this one should form the core of what this team will be for years to come.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2022, 03:16:31 PM
Pretty sure that wasn't his intent considering he's best buds with our GM. I took it as him only trying to highlight our opportunity to get significantly better quickly with those picks.
DJ doesn't play favorites
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2022, 09:13:14 PM
Last year's draft and this one should form the core of what this team will be for years to come.
If we play our cards right then we should have a sturdy core like we did in the early 00s, when we made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.

Just need to avoid letting one side of the roster rot like 2003's defense or 2005's offense. And most importantly having a steady QB to lead us.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2022, 04:14:16 PM
(https://i.redd.it/hv6pg6pg4jv81.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2022, 04:39:37 PM
London in the slot is a problem.  That’s where I see a lot of Crabtree in his game.

I don’t think that’s worth a top ten pick.  If we’re able to move back, I’m all for it.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2022, 06:29:52 PM
Jameson Williams and a trade back are my preferred outcomes with the 10th pick right now (I'm assuming Sauce will be gone).
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2022, 06:32:48 PM
At this point w/ all the discussion around Jameson to the Jets I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped us at 8/9 to take him
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2022, 06:43:36 PM
At this point w/ all the discussion around Jameson to the Jets I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped us at 8/9 to take him
JACKASS, ILL KILL YOU
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
At this point w/ all the discussion around Jameson to the Jets I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped us at 8/9 to take him
Then we just take Wilson and ride off into the sunset.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2022, 12:39:39 PM
DJ top 150

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2022-nfl-draft-class
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 25, 2022, 12:54:49 PM
Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2022, 01:23:12 PM
Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?

I think he's good, but not great.  It's a top 10 pick.  We should be able to land a blue chip player with that pick.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Gorilla on April 25, 2022, 01:35:41 PM
Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?

I like London and would be cool with him at 10, if the FO deems him worthy.

His production, size, and relative polish at his age are impressive. As I've mentioned before, if he doesn't get injured he could have very well been the lock #1 WR prospect in this class. I'm not overly-concerned with his 40 since his game isn't predicated on speed.

As far as I can tell, the main issue among detractors is that he didn't run a 40, so therefore let's ignore his tape and production and pretend he's too slow and can't separate.
Is he Mike Evans as a prospect? No. But he is a very good, solid, ascending talent imo.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2022, 01:36:18 PM
Bigger Michael Crabtree

He's a guy that can catch 100+ balls as a jumbo slot.  He did some good stuff after the catch at USC, but I do worry about him as a separator in the NFL.  I do think he can be a problem in the redzone and in the quick game.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2022, 01:38:00 PM
Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
He's shrinking, he'll be 5'11" by draft night.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2022, 01:39:00 PM
I like London and would be cool with him at 10, if the FO deems him worthy.

His production, size, and relative polish at his age are impressive. As I've mentioned before, if he doesn't get injured he could have very well been the lock #1 WR prospect in this class. I'm not overly-concerned with his 40 since his game isn't predicated on speed.

As far as I can tell, the main issue among detractors is that he didn't run a 40, so therefore let's ignore his tape and production and pretend he's too slow and can't separate.
Is he Mike Evans as a prospect? No. But he is a very good, solid, ascending talent imo.

In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40?  Especially if you aspire to get picked in the top 10.  London is a great contested-ball/possession type WR. I want to know how fast he is.

Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2022, 01:44:40 PM
In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40?  Especially if you aspire to get picked in the top 10.  London is a great contested-ball/possession type WR. I want to know how fast he is.


Because he might get picked in the top 10 without it?

He's also coming off a broken ankle. If he doesn't think he can run at full strength right now, then it can only hurt his stock to run.

I think London is a great compliment to Moore. I understand London theoretically doesn't have as big of a ceiling, but he was extremely productive in the Pac-12 at an extremely young age. I think we need that big receiver option to compliment Elijah Moore. However, if the Jets don't think he's as good as Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams, you can make a strong case for Wilson's overall talent or Williams' speed being a good fit for the Jets as well.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Gorilla on April 25, 2022, 01:46:32 PM
In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40?  Especially if you aspire to get picked in the top 10.  London is a great contested-ball/possession type WR. I want to know how fast he is.

No doubt, not running didn't help him.
But his excuse is at least understandable...he wasn't able to prep for weeks/months to run it, like other prospects.
Barely prepping and running a 4.75 would not be a benefit haha.

But if JD prefers a GWilson/ Jameson-type for this offense, I'm happy with that too. If the choice is London at 10 or Watson in the 2nd, I'm also  going to pause and think.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
Because he might get picked in the top 10 without it?

He's also coming off a broken ankle. If he doesn't think he can run at full strength right now, then it can only hurt his stock to run.

I think London is a great compliment to Moore. I understand London theoretically doesn't have as big of a ceiling, but he was extremely productive in the Pac-12 at an extremely young age. I think we need that big receiver option to compliment Elijah Moore. However, if the Jets don't think he's as good as Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams, you can make a strong case for Wilson's overall talent or Williams' speed being a good fit for the Jets as well.

When you're competing against a big class of WRs....speed counts. If I'm a GM with a top 10 pick, i want all the cards on the table.  And before you mention Williams, everyone knows what he can do. 

I'm aware of the broken ankle....i'm also aware of his clearance to run at his pro day, and he still opted out of the 40. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2022, 02:05:28 PM
In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40?

He has nothing to gain from it.

Speed isn't his game at all.  He is a possession player. 

He could go out there and run a 4.6-4.7 and it wouldn't change anything about how he plays. 
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 25, 2022, 02:13:39 PM
He has nothing to gain from it.

Speed isn't his game at all.  He is a possession player. 

He could go out there and run a 4.6-4.7 and it wouldn't change anything about how he plays. 

And this is why i want to pass on him in the top 10.  We need a WR that can take the top off a D....give me Jamo, Wilson, even Olave.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
This is interesting, he's been rising a lot of boards I've seen in the last couple of weeks.

https://twitter.com/draftcampbell/status/1518658934277648384
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2022, 05:42:40 PM
This is interesting, he's been rising a lot of boards I've seen in the last couple of weeks.

https://twitter.com/draftcampbell/status/1518658934277648384
Really? Every time I look at his betting props, his number seems to rise to 4.5 and even 5.5.

So Neal, Dean, Green, Lloyd and Raimann have all reportedly been flagged for some medical issues according to random Twitterers.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2022, 05:43:45 PM
Really? Every time I look at his betting props, his number seems to rise to 4.5 and even 5.5.

I have literally no idea what that means.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2022, 05:44:31 PM
Also:

https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/1518655434294407168
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2022, 05:45:57 PM
I have literally no idea what that means.
I cover sports betting, so I've been following sports betting markets, which are almost entirely in tune with Twitter buzz. Neal's over/under is 4.5 or 5.5 in most places (under is top 4 or top 5, over is anything after that).

For example, Jermaine Johnson went from like the 6th-most likely pick for the Jets to the 2nd-most likely pick for the Jets in the betting markets, purely based on tweets today from guys like Hughes and others.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2022, 05:50:24 PM
I cover sports betting, so I've been following sports betting markets, which are almost entirely in tune with Twitter buzz. Neal's over/under is 4.5 or 5.5 in most places (under is top 4 or top 5, over is anything after that).

For example, Jermaine Johnson went from like the 6th-most likely pick for the Jets to the 2nd-most likely pick for the Jets in the betting markets, purely based on tweets today from guys like Hughes and others.

Ah, apologies. I was talking about Raimann, but I failed to effectively communicate that.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2022, 06:01:14 PM
Ah, apologies. I was talking about Raimann, but I failed to effectively communicate that.
All good. I try to pretend like the 24-year old MAC product doesn't actually exist.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 25, 2022, 07:16:20 PM
Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
I don’t see anything in him to make me think he’ll be a high level NFL player. Like if everything goes his way in the perfect situation, he can be relied on to move the chains and be a solid piece to an offense, but personally I think there about 7 receivers that I think have a brighter future.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2022, 07:47:48 PM
Fun fact, Drake London is only about half an inch taller than George Pickens.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 30, 2022, 09:44:01 PM
What do you think of Romeo Doubs?

He’s got a poor man’s Davante vibe that I figured might catch your eye.
Poor man’s Davante got drafted by the Packers. Love to see it.
Title: Re: 2022 NFL Draft Prospect Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2022, 09:45:35 AM
Muma Milkers gonna show up to Jags' OTAs wearing this.

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