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Title: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 08:58:05 AM
I'm putting this in here for obvious reasons

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
 · 2m
Deshaun Watson officially has requested a trade from the Houston Texans, per league sources. He actually did it weeks ago. Their new head-coaching hire, David Culley, has not and will not alter Watson’s thinking.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 09:02:38 AM
LETS GO
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
lets ditka them and offer everything we have and more
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2021, 09:04:01 AM
I'm putting this in here for obvious reasons

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
 · 2m
Deshaun Watson officially has requested a trade from the Houston Texans, per league sources. He actually did it weeks ago. Their new head-coaching hire, David Culley, has not and will not alter Watson’s thinking.

i beat you by a minute, you cheatin derriere ho
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:05:15 AM
i beat you by a minute, you cheatin derriere ho

lol....i dig your 40 time, sir.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Jumbo on January 28, 2021, 09:06:28 AM
Future Jet Richard Sherman says the Jets shouldn't give up much more than #2 for Watson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2522&v=Orr_drjoSRg&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:08:00 AM
Future Jet Richard Sherman says the Jets shouldn't give up much more than #2 for Watson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2522&v=Orr_drjoSRg&feature=youtu.be

he's been right so far...i say let's go with it.  <insert Grinch evil smile here>
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 09:09:48 AM
Future Jet Richard Sherman says the Jets shouldn't give up much more than #2 for Watson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2522&v=Orr_drjoSRg&feature=youtu.be

Collinsworth:  "BUT WHAT IF THE COLTS TRADE FOR HIM?"

Yeah, the Texans are definitely going to trade Watson within the division
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 09:11:02 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1354805589268852741?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55681805/here-we-go-again.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:20:46 AM
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Allen Robinson II
@AllenRobinson
 · May 24, 2013
Jets prolly the move tonight

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Allen Robinson II
@AllenRobinson
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Only time will tell
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 09:24:47 AM
Future Jet Richard Sherman says the Jets shouldn't give up much more than #2 for Watson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2522&v=Orr_drjoSRg&feature=youtu.be

Sherman has somewhat of a point about the logic of them being able to get a QB with the 2nd overall pick but he's missing the obvious elephant in the room, and that's Miami.

Miami has the 3rd overall pick so Houston could get a franchise QB with that, would be motivated to keep him away from the Jets, and they have probably have the most draft assets around.

If the Jets are only offering #2 and two 2nds there's no way Miami doesn't jump in and top that. Unless they think Tua is something special, or if Houston only likes one QB (other than Lawrence)

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 09:27:08 AM
Miami has the 3rd overall pick so Houston could get a franchise QB with that

They wouldn't have their choice at #3. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:27:19 AM
Sherman has somewhat of a point about the logic of them being able to get a QB with the 2nd overall pick but he's missing the obvious elephant in the room, and that's Miami.

Miami has the 3rd overall pick so Houston could get a franchise QB with that, would be motivated to keep him away from the Jets, and they have probably have the most draft assets around.

If the Jets are only offering #2 and two 2nds there's no way Miami doesn't jump in and top that. Unless they think Tua is something special, or if Houston only likes one QB (other than Lawrence)



the 2nd overall pick gives Houston a choice of QB prospects not named Trevor Lawrence....the 3rd overall takes that choice away. 


EDIT: dammit, H
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 09:28:30 AM
Sherman has somewhat of a point about the logic of them being able to get a QB with the 2nd overall pick but he's missing the obvious elephant in the room, and that's Miami.

Miami has the 3rd overall pick so Houston could get a franchise QB with that, would be motivated to keep him away from the Jets, and they have probably have the most draft assets around.

If the Jets are only offering #2 and two 2nds there's no way Miami doesn't jump in and top that. Unless they think Tua is something special, or if Houston only likes one QB (other than Lawrence)


Miami just took Tua in the top 5 last season off a major injury with some of the worst weapons in the NFL. I don't think Miami is willing to back up the truck.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:32:17 AM
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
·
2m
Here’s the 1 thing that will impact this situation with Watson more than anything else- his willingness to sit and lose money. I think he’s a very principled dude and he would be willing to do that. This is how he gains leverage. Threat of financial loss doesn’t bother him.




This is why i think JD should low ball Caserio first. Don't offer the farm right away, like some are suggesting here.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
https://twitter.com/allenrobinson/status/1354814694591131649?s=21

Plz
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 09:37:57 AM
Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
·
2m
Here’s the 1 thing that will impact this situation with Watson more than anything else- his willingness to sit and lose money. I think he’s a very principled dude and he would be willing to do that. This is how he gains leverage. Threat of financial loss doesn’t bother him.




This is why i think JD should low ball Caserio first. Don't offer the farm right away, like some are suggesting here.
That's the thing - the Texans still don't have to trade him. But if Watson threatens to sit out, the Texans will have their hand forced, and draft picks in 2021 are far better than draft picks in 2022, so they might not be willing to call his bluff.

I think my opening offer would be the #2 pick this year, a 3rd-rounder this year, our 1st-rounder next year, and a conditional 3rd-rounder next year that becomes a 2nd-round pick if we make the playoffs. That's a serious offer, but it gives us room to add more if necessary.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
That's the thing - the Texans still don't have to trade him. But if Watson threatens to sit out, the Texans will have their hand forced, and draft picks in 2021 are far better than draft picks in 2022, so they might not be willing to call his bluff.

I think my opening offer would be the #2 pick this year, a 3rd-rounder this year, our 1st-rounder next year, and a conditional 3rd-rounder next year that becomes a 2nd-round pick if we make the playoffs. That's a serious offer, but it gives us room to add more if necessary.

Your offer is the most reasonable one i've read on this board to date. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 09:39:48 AM
6th rounder in 2027, do it Tanny.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 09:40:55 AM
This is our Super Bowl.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2021, 09:42:06 AM
6th rounder in 2027, do it Tanny.
Turns into a 7th if we don't win 4 Super Bowls
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 09:42:41 AM
I am absolutely not going to get anything done today. At all

Thanks Watson.

But we will all worship at the altar once you end up a Jet.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 09:43:49 AM
Turns into a 7th if we don't win 4 Super Bowls

Woah now, let's not get crazy.  5 Super Bowls.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 09:59:27 AM
Maybe we could get the Texans to give us picks for taking on his salary.  The least they could do.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
Woah now, let's not get crazy.  5 Super Bowls.

so what you're saying is.....All gas, no brake.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 10:05:41 AM
so what you're saying is.....All gas, no brake.

Dude if Saleh brings us Watson we will be forever signing the All Gas No Brake phrase for our entire lives
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:08:01 AM
Dude if Saleh brings us Watson we will be forever signing the All Gas No Brake phrase for our entire lives

Bo already has it tramp stamped above his vertical smile.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1354809322975371276?s=21

WATSON!!!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:16:42 AM
Bo already has it tramp stamped above his vertical smile.
I tried tattoo it on my weiner, but I only got to "Al" before I ran out of room.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:18:49 AM
From @NFLNetwork: What's the price for #Texans QB Deshaun Watson? More than half the league is interested. If Houston decides to trade him, they'll get an epic haul. https://t.co/s5fWmgEINk

Ugh
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:20:41 AM
Ugh

What did you think?

This is arguably the most valuable player that's ever been on a trade block.  He's a 25 year old, proven franchise quarterback.

We just traded an undersized linebacker for two firsts.  Houston will get a haul, most definitely. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:21:59 AM
What did you think?

This is arguably the most valuable player that's ever been on a trade block.  He's a 25 year old, proven franchise quarterback.

We just traded an undersized linebacker for two firsts.  Houston will get a haul, most definitely. 

I guess it depends on the definition of epic.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 10:21:59 AM
From @NFLNetwork: What's the price for #Texans QB Deshaun Watson? More than half the league is interested. If Houston decides to trade him, they'll get an epic haul. https://t.co/s5fWmgEINk

Ugh

It's going to be a bidding war, we always knew that. We are in the best position to outbid anybody. It's all about getting Watson to agree to come here. If he does, he can and should be a Jet.

Sure it would be nice if Watson tells Houston I'll only play for the Jets. Accept their used tampon of an offer, so we can all move on. But that's extremely unlikely to be the case, and always was going to be.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 10:23:02 AM
I guess it depends on the definition of epic.

4 first rounders in the next two years and a player like C.J. Mosely?

I'm all in for that deal. Sure it would be nice if it's cheaper, but freak it man, it's Deshaun freaking Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:25:35 AM
4 first rounders in the next two years and a player like C.J. Mosely?

I'm all in for that deal. Sure it would be nice if it's cheaper, but freak it man, it's Deshaun freaking Watson

I don't think they can pay Groinly without cutting several players.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:25:49 AM
I guess it depends on the definition of epic.

We should give them whatever they want.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
Have to think if the haul is "epic" that the Jets won't be getting too serious in the bidding
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:28:31 AM
We should give them whatever they want.

within reason.  You don't want to cripple the franchise either.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:29:25 AM
I don't see 4 1st round picks getting traded. Let's assume that the Jets are serious and will involve a player in this trade.

What's the most realistic package we can put together?

I imagine Williams is our only player with significant trade value?

Williams #2 a future 1st and whatever we get for Darnold?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:30:33 AM
within reason.  You don't want to cripple the franchise either.

How does losing some late firsts for a couple years cripple the franchise?

Watson gets this team to the top of just about every free agent's wish list.  Allen Robinson would come with him.  Some great offensive linemen would want to come block for him.

Whatever it takes.  He would be the best player in franchise history as soon as the trade goes through. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:32:24 AM
How does losing some late firsts for a couple years cripple the franchise?

Watson gets this team to the top of just about every free agent's wish list.  Allen Robinson would come with him.  Some great offensive linemen would want to come block for him.

Whatever it takes.  He would be the best player in franchise history as soon as the trade goes through. 

when you start talking about offering 4 or 5 first round picks...that's a little much.

Like i told you in our chat, I'm all for trading for Watson...but i also trust Douglas to pay his price.


EDIT:  I also believe the #2 holds a lot more value than your typical future 1st rounder.  That will obviously be the centerpiece of this deal.  What Derek Smalls suggested earlier seems very reasonable.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
when you start talking about offering 4 or 5 first round picks...that's a little much.

Who are we drafting with the 28th pick in 2022 or 2023 that is better than a 25 year old proven franchise QB? 

Those picks are not as valuable as Watson. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:35:06 AM
Who are we drafting with the 28th pick in 2022 or 2023 that is better than a 25 year old proven franchise QB? 

Those picks are not as valuable as Watson. 

We're drafting other necessary pieces for this team.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:35:18 AM
It isn't about being reasonable.  Whatever it takes.

If Miami gets him, the Jets are destined to be a bottom feeder for the next decade.  New England is done, but Buffalo and Miami will kick our asses.  It will take years for us to catch up to them.

Watson changes everything. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:35:25 AM
How does losing some late firsts for a couple years cripple the franchise?

Watson gets this team to the top of just about every free agent's wish list.  Allen Robinson would come with him.  Some great offensive linemen would want to come block for him.

Whatever it takes.  He would be the best player in franchise history as soon as the trade goes through. 

I mean Watson has had two ACL tears and tends to be a fairly mobile dude.

A serious injury and this franchise could be  trash for the next 5 to 8 years.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:35:57 AM
We're drafting other necessary pieces for this team.

Yeah, that late first round cornerback prospect you've never heard of is gonna get us to the Super Bowl
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:36:11 AM
you know who should be offering 4 or 5 first round picks?  Teams that don't have the #2 pick overall.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:36:50 AM
Yeah, that late first round cornerback prospect you've never heard of is gonna get us to the Super Bowl


you're not listening.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:37:15 AM
I mean Watson has had two ACL tears and tends to be a fairly mobile dude.

Zach Wilson has shoulder issues.  He could get sacked and be toast before he even gets started.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:37:54 AM
Zach Wilson has shoulder issues.  He could get sacked and be toast before he even gets started.

Is Deshaun Watson made out of granite?  Did i miss something?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:38:13 AM
you're not listening.

No, I am.

You want to haggle the price of an elite quarterback for picks that are uncertain. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
Zach Wilson has shoulder issues.  He could get sacked and be toast before he even gets started.

Nobody's trading 5 1st for Zach Wilson

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:39:04 AM
Nobody's trading 5 1st for Zach Wilson



even dcm gets it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:39:09 AM
No, I am.

You want to haggle the price of an elite quarterback for picks that are uncertain. 

Are you wearing an earing right now?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:39:32 AM
Nobody's trading 5 1st for Zach Wilson

Who's the top prospect in 2022?  Who's the top prospect in 2023? 

You numbskulls can go Google it.  I know the answer.  They aren't better than Deshaun Watson. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:39:42 AM
No, I am.

You want to haggle the price of an elite quarterback for picks that are uncertain. 

ok Italian Seafood
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:39:55 AM
even dcm gets it.

If that's the side you want to be on, by all means have at it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:40:37 AM
"But the draft pick value chart from 2002 says we can't do that!"
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
Who's the top prospect in 2022?  Who's the top prospect in 2023? 

You numbskulls can go Google it.  I know the answer.  They aren't better than Deshaun Watson. 

we have a GM that puts a premium on building through the draft.  He's going to make a reasonable offer for Watson, i'm sure of it.  He's not going to sell the farm, it's not his MO.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:41:23 AM
If that's the side you want to be on, by all means have at it.

You not understanding isn't picking sides....
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:41:45 AM
If that's the side you want to be on, by all means have at it.

I mean youre paraphrasing Italian Seafood...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:42:50 AM
we have a GM that puts a premium on building through the draft.

We should just stockpile our picks and then wait for the next opportunity to tank. 

Quinn Ewers is likely the next generational QB prospect.  He'll be draft eligible in 2024. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
Seems it's just me and Heismanberg on the freak yo draft value couch tip

I've laid my argument out plenty in the  LOLTexans thread.

My stance is obvious lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:44:23 AM
We should just stockpile our picks and then wait for the next opportunity to tank. 

Quinn Ewers is likely the next generational QB prospect.  He'll be draft eligible in 2024. 

lmao...you're making this out like it's my issue.  You should give Florham Park a call and ask JD directly to change his philosphy, i'm sure that "durrr future draft picks are worth nothing" argument will go far with him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 10:44:28 AM
We can circle jerk in the draft forum forever

We traded assets hoping Darnold wpuld be half of Watson


Ozzie Newsome himself couldn't make better use of this capital . Otherwise the best QB they've had in 20 years Wouldn't be Joe ficking Flacco or a past his prime McNair (RIP)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:44:32 AM
You not understanding isn't picking sides....

How am I not understanding?  You want to haggle the price of an elite quarterback.  We have never seen a player this good become available through trade and we are at the front of the line to get him.

You want to hold on to future draft picks (that will likely be very late first and second round picks) and you don't even know the next man up in college football until I talk about them. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:45:29 AM
When we pick Justin Fields at 2, I'll just say I told ya so. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 10:45:48 AM
If JD let's his ego get in the way of getting a deal done I will certainly question him until we can agree we have a franchise QB

And I'd love to be wrong or right

Just solve this position .
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 10:46:06 AM
When we pick Justin Fields at 2, I'll just say I told ya so.
I'll be switching my avatar immediately
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:46:33 AM
I think we can get it done without giving 4 first rounders.  Maybe 3 1sts and other lesser picks.  It would be nice to keep one of the 1sts next year.  I'm assuming a minimum of 3 1sts.

I don't really know what my limit would be, but that doesn't matter anyway because my last name isn't Douglas.

I just can't figure out how a lot of these teams besides the Jets and Dolphins could even compete for him.  What the hell are the Panthers going to give the Texans?  The only things I can see if maybe throwing in some elite players, but that isn't going to help the Texans because they are over the cap.  Or maybe one of these teams just decides to go full-on and give up 1sts for the next 4 years. 

The Texans need a bunch of draft picks in the next 2 years and cheap players.  There are only 2 teams that can do that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:46:33 AM
Who's the top prospect in 2022?  Who's the top prospect in 2023? 

You numbskulls can go Google it.  I know the answer.  They aren't better than Deshaun Watson. 

I don't know if you know how injuries work.

For the sake of arguing let's just pretend you're right, and that Watson is better than the next 5 1st round draft picks we would have.

Hes one dude. You're putting all your chips on him not getting injured, not retiring.

Hell this freaking dude is leaving the Texans because of social injustice issues. Is there any possibility that anything could go wrong with him being on a team owned by a dude who worked for freaking Trump the last 4 years?

excrement happens and there is a risk cost associated with it.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:47:34 AM
How am I not understanding?  You want to haggle the price of an elite quarterback.  We have never seen a player this good become available through trade and we are at the front of the line to get him.

You want to hold on to future draft picks (that will likely be very late first and second round picks) and you don't even know the next man up in college football until I talk about them. 

Fine...i'm telling you JD isn't going to bend over and his spread his cheeks no matter how badly you want to do it for him.  It's just not going to happen.  And if it did, it would be a complete 180 from his MO.

My personal opinion....i think 3 first rounders and Quinnen Williams gets it done (i've gone on record saying this in another thread).  And i think that's hefty, yet reasonable price to pay.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:47:54 AM
I don't know if you know how injuries work.

I know you don't know how anything works. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:48:31 AM
We shouldn't draft, sign, or trade for any players because they could get injured.  Let's just fold the franchise. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:48:41 AM
When we pick Justin Fields at 2, I'll just say I told ya so. 

Dude...relax.

I'm not even gonna try to figure out why you went in that direction....since it has nothing to do with our discussion.  Nobody likes Justin Fields (except for maybe Derek Smalls). 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:48:59 AM
Fine...i'm telling you JD isn't going to bend over and his spread his cheeks no matter how badly you want to do it for him.  It's just not going to happen.  And if it did, it would be a complete 180 from his MO.

My personal opinion....i think 3 first rounders and Quinnen Williams gets it done (i've gone on record saying this in another thread).  And i think that's hefty, yet reasonable price to pay.

Exactly no freaking GM is giving up 5 1sts, that's lunacy.

If we're going to make the most expensive trade of all time, it'll almost certainly involve players, likely Williams
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
I think we can get it done without giving 4 first rounders.  Maybe 3 1sts and other lesser picks.  It would be nice to keep one of the 1sts next year.  I'm assuming a minimum of 3 1sts.

I don't really know what my limit would be, but that doesn't matter anyway because my last name isn't Douglas.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:49:46 AM
We should trade every draft pick this franchise has for the next 10 years for Mahomes.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 10:51:00 AM
Exactly no freaking GM is giving up 5 1sts, that's lunacy.

Washington gave up three firsts and a second to move up for RG3. 

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:51:10 AM
I'll trust our GM to do the needful.  If that means acquiring Watson, i'll be the first to buy his jersey. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:51:21 AM
I can't imagine Saleh being on board with trading Q.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:51:45 AM
I'll trust our GM to do the needful.  If that means acquiring Watson, i'll be the first to buy his jersey. 

Can we buy a Big Doug jersey?   #69.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 10:53:51 AM
Washington gave up three firsts and a second to move up for RG3. 



Yeah but those draft picks were worthless
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
you know who should be offering 4 or 5 first round picks?  Teams that don't have the #2 pick overall.

#2 = 1 player.

One player people HOPE can be as good as Watson.

Watson and what he brings to a franchise and organization is worth 4 players, 5 hell even 10 guys.

What's an ELITE Gm's hit % on 1st round players, NON-Qbs? 75% at best? Let's pretend Douglas is actually the best in the league for just 1 second. So if we trade 4 1's, we are trading 3 good/great players and 1 bad one away.

In return we get a franchise QB and since we have Douglas a guy who is actually the best drafter in the league, he can find guys outside of round 1 and we have the ability to acquire other assets (Sam for 1) to recoup what we lose in capital.

Also there's a different way to look at this deal if we do in fact trade all 4 1sts for Watson. Would you really be upset at 2 1's and Jamal Adams for Watson? Because that's essentially what this deal would be. And no one in their right mind is saying no to that deal.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2021, 10:55:06 AM
I guess it depends on the definition of epic.
Le epic Elon Musk bacon Keanu Reeves Die Hard is a Christmas movie Johnny Depp trade
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:55:12 AM
Yeah but those draft picks were worthless

lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 10:58:35 AM
#2 = 1 player.

One player people HOPE can be as good as Watson.

Watson and what he brings to a franchise and organization is worth 4 players, 5 hell even 10 guys.

What's an ELITE Gm's hit % on 1st round players, NON-Qbs? 75% at best? Let's pretend Douglas is actually the best in the league for just 1 second. So if we trade 4 1's, we are trading 3 good/great players and 1 bad one away.

In return we get a franchise QB and since we have Douglas a guy who is actually the best drafter in the league, he can find guys outside of round 1 and we have the ability to acquire other assets (Sam for 1) to recoup what we lose in capital.

Also there's a different way to look at this deal if we do in fact trade all 4 1sts for Watson. Would you really be upset at 2 1's and Jamal Adams for Watson? Because that's essentially what this deal would be. And no one in their right mind is saying no to that deal.

Again, for those who didnt hear it in the back...the #2 holds premium value.   It's not just "#2 =1 player" .....that pick will be used on a potential franchise QB that will be on a rookie contract.  So we're also factoring in the cap relief for Houston as well.

Hell we gave up 3 deuces just to move up to 3 for Darnold.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 10:58:59 AM
I'm fine giving up three 1st-round picks. Hell, I would give up all four 1st-round picks in the next two seasons if that was really what it took.

But if we offer #2, #23, and our 1st-round pick next season, which I would do in a second, who is topping that? How are they topping that? The #2 pick alone is worth a couple 1st-round picks by itself. The #23 pick this year is worth more than any 1st-round pick in 2022.

If you're the Texans, would you rather have the #2 and #23 this year, or a team's 1st-round pick in each of the next 4 seasons? I'd rather have 2 and 23. And we would likely be offering at least one more premium pick on top of that.

Everyone on this board is on the same page of getting Deshaun Watson. I'm willing to give up four 1st-round picks if we have to. But it's Joe Douglas' job to utilize his leverage, and the Jets do have leverage in terms of our draft capital.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
I think we can all agree you start with an offer that is a low as possible without being insulting.  Then work up just high enough to get it done without bidding against yourself.  I think our ace in the hole is having the spot that guarantees the 2nd best QB.  That is a lot more valuable than #3 overall when you need a QB. 

There are some things that can go sideways.  The Texans may decide to trade separately for a QB, making the difference between #2 and #3 overall less valuable to them. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 11:00:24 AM
I'm fine giving up three 1st-round picks. Hell, I would give up all four 1st-round picks in the next two seasons if that was really what it took.

But if we offer #2, #23, and our 1st-round pick next season, which I would do in a second, who is topping that? How are they topping that? The #2 pick alone is worth a couple 1st-round picks by itself. The #23 pick this year is worth more than any 1st-round pick in 2022.

If you're the Texans, would you rather have the #2 and #23 this year, or a team's 1st-round pick in each of the next 4 seasons? I'd rather have 2 and 23. And we would likely be offering at least one more premium pick on top of that.

Everyone on this board is on the same page of getting Deshaun Watson. I'm willing to give up four 1st-round picks if we have to. But it's Joe Douglas' job to utilize his leverage, and the Jets do have leverage in terms of our draft capital.

Bingo
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 11:00:53 AM
Washington gave up three firsts and a second to move up for RG3. 


So you're saying the #2 pick could be worth three firsts and a second in the right context?

Obviously, Zach Wilson/Fields aren't the same prospect RG3 was, so maybe dock a 1st-round pick but this shows how valuable the #2 pick can be in a QB draft, and this appears to be a quality QB draft.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 11:01:08 AM
I can't imagine Saleh being on board with trading Q.

As badly as he would want a top flight DL. Any HC that wouldn't trade a top DL for a top QB is crazy.

But if you asked me which deal Saleh would prefer, 3 1s and Q vs. 4 1s for Watson, I'm not sure what he would pick
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:02:01 AM
So you're saying the #2 pick could be worth three firsts and a second in the right context?

I'm saying that it's not "lunacy" to trade a boatload of picks for a proven player like Deshaun Watson when teams are giving up that much for a prospect. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 11:02:09 AM
As badly as he would want a top flight DL. Any HC that wouldn't trade a top DL for a top QB is crazy.

But if you asked me which deal Saleh would prefer, 3 1s and Q vs. 4 1s for Watson, I'm not sure what he would pick

I can't imagine the only way to make a deal involves Q.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 11:02:18 AM
I think we can all agree you start with an offer that is a low as possible without being insulting.  Then work up just high enough to get it done without bidding against yourself.  I think our ace in the hole is having the spot that guarantees the 2nd best QB.  That is a lot more valuable than #3 overall when you need a QB. 

There are some things that can go sideways.  The Texans may decide to trade separately for a QB, making the difference between #2 and #3 overall less valuable to them. 

This is also correct...and my original point.  I don't think Douglas should offer the farm right away.  If he doesn't start off haggling a bit, he's not doing his job.

If the price ends up being 4 first rounders, so be it.  Just don't make that the starting point. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 11:03:12 AM
I'm saying that it's not "lunacy" to trade a boatload of picks for a proven player like Deshaun Watson when teams are giving up that much for a prospect. 

Keep in mind, Washington is one of the dumber franchises out there.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:03:47 AM
But if we offer #2, #23, and our 1st-round pick next season, which I would do in a second, who is topping that? How are they topping that?

Miami can offer better player to go with similar picks. 

The only way they can outbid us is if they throw in Xavien Howard/Tua/Jerome Baker. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
Keep in mind, Washington is one of the dumber franchises out there.

They weren't bidding against themselves that year though.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 11:05:25 AM
What advantage does ANY team have over us in what they could offer?  The only 2 things I could see are multiple elite players thrown in the deal or if Watson declines coming to the Jets.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 11:05:39 AM
This is also correct...and my original point.  I don't think Douglas should offer the farm right away.  If he doesn't start off haggling a bit, he's not doing his job.

If the price ends up being 4 first rounders, so be it.  Just don't make that the starting point. 

Honestly all we are arguing about is what's the most we would pay for Watson. We all want him, and we all would happily give up a freak ton for him.

The good news / bad news of this is that with over 1/2 the league making calls it's going to take some time. That means we can start 'small' and raise our bid over time, we don't have to be too aggressive out of the gate.

But that also means it's going to go on for awhile and I can almost guarantee that no matter what the ending trade compensation is (especially if it's not the Jets being the final partner) we will all go "freak I would have paid that for Watson"

I really really hope that JD is willing to throw the 'rule book' out the window if push comes to shove and finds a way to land this guy in the end. A real franchise QB, the likes none of us have ever seen wearing Green and White is worth the risk and it's worth over paying. It's not worth quibbling over small pieces and parts for. Do what needs to be done to secure the best player that has ever been traded in the history of the sport.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
What advantage does ANY team have over us in what they could offer?  The only 2 things I could see are multiple elite players thrown in the deal or if Watson declines coming to the Jets.

It depends on what Houston wants.  The #2 pick is the most valuable asset they can acquire in terms of draft capital, but someone like Miami (or Carolina) can offer solid draft capital and better players in a deal.

All we really have is Quinnen Williams.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 11:07:28 AM
Miami can offer better player to go with similar picks. 

The only way they can outbid us is if they throw in Xavien Howard/Tua/Jerome Baker. 
Miami is the one team out there that is worrisome, and them being a division rival gives the Texans some leverage.

The one caveat to my argument about the Jets having the most draft capital by far is if teams want to throw in top young talent, like a Quinnen Williams.

Plus, if the Texans are very high on Tua, that also could change things and give the Dolphins a better chance. At the same time, they also could like Darnold.

I do think the Dolphins believe in Tua, so they might not be as motivated to give up the same assets the Jets could give up.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
Honestly all we are arguing about is what's the most we would pay for Watson. We all want him, and we all would happily give up a freak ton for him.

The good news / bad news of this is that with over 1/2 the league making calls it's going to take some time. That means we can start 'small' and raise our bid over time, we don't have to be too aggressive out of the gate.

But that also means it's going to go on for awhile and I can almost guarantee that no matter what the ending trade compensation is (especially if it's not the Jets being the final partner) we will all go "freak I would have paid that for Watson"

I really really hope that JD is willing to throw the 'rule book' out the window if push comes to shove and finds a way to land this guy in the end. A real franchise QB, the likes none of us have ever seen wearing Green and White is worth the risk and it's worth over paying. It's not worth quibbling over small pieces and parts for.

1. Houston won't let this linger on.  The longer it goes, the less of a return they will get.

2. I expect JD will make a reasonable offer.  He's not going to call them up and offer 4 first rounders as soon as Caserio answers.

3. If the Jets are Watson's top choice, JD has some leverage here.  And i would expect him to use it.



Just don't let him go to Miami.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:09:58 AM
Houston won't let this linger on.  The longer it goes, the less of a return they will get.

We don't know this yet.  Houston is pretty damn stupid.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 11:10:43 AM
JJ Watt is likely going to leave.....i'm sure Hou will ask for Quinnen.  And as much as i love him as a player, i'll drive his derriere to the airport for Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:10:51 AM
Miami is the one team out there that is worrisome, and them being a division rival gives the Texans some leverage.

We can't let Miami get him.  If they get him, we're screwed for a while.  We won't be able to catch Buffalo and Miami for several seasons...no matter how good Zach Wilson might be.

Watson jumpstarts a broken down franchise. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 11:21:59 AM
I'm not sure why Houston needs to jump on this today.  Why would compensation drop as time goes on?  As long as they don't wait until too close to the draft, the offers should go up as teams bid against each other.  I just don't see any advantage for them to do this ASAP.  I don't think they've given up on the idea of calling his bluff about holding out.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 11:25:19 AM
I'm not sure why Houston needs to jump on this today.  Why would compensation drop as time goes on?  As long as they don't wait until too close to the draft, the offers should go up as teams bid against each other.  I just don't see any advantage for them to do this ASAP.  I don't think they've given up on the idea of calling his bluff about holding out.

They have until Free Agency as far as I'm concerned to hammer out the best deal for them. Once that happens, teams will start committing to cap space and building their rosters for next year. Including Houston.

They don't have any reason to rush right now. It's not like if the 49ers offer Bosa, Kinlaw, Jimmy G and the next 3 1's that offer is going anywhere before FA starts. Sure it's not going to go on until August, but it's not going to be done by tonight either, unless someone comes in and hits Houston over the head so hard they'd have to be insane not to say yes.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:29:12 AM
I think Stafford will be traded first and then the Watson trade talks will really heat up
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 11:29:52 AM
It depends on what Houston wants.  The #2 pick is the most valuable asset they can acquire in terms of draft capital, but someone like Miami (or Carolina) can offer solid draft capital and better players in a deal.

All we really have is Quinnen Williams.

They also have the appeal to Watson of being further ahead in their rebuild, plus he's going from a zero income tax state to another one.

I don't see a bidding war because if Watson waives his NTC for a bunch of teams and creates one, it inevitably weakens the team he's going to. I think he waives for one or two teams and that's all.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2021, 11:32:38 AM
honestly, i'm pretty much all in on watson. if we trade them whatever and get watson and robinson out of it, how are we losing? these are not dudes who you can draft every year, these are proven superstars.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 11:33:31 AM
We can't let Miami get him.  If they get him, we're screwed for a while.  We won't be able to catch Buffalo and Miami for several seasons...no matter how good Zach Wilson might be.

Watson jumpstarts a broken down franchise. 
If Zach Wilson is a star, we might be in better long-term shape not trading for Watson than we are trading for Watson. We have the draft picks and cap space to build a very solid foundation for a roster, while the Dolphins and Bills will be paying their quarterbacks a ton of money. Obviously, having both those guys in the division for the foreseeable future would be a disaster, but if Zach Wilson turns into a star in his own right, then we could be just as formidable. Not to mention, both Watson and Allen have had injuries in the past, and both play a style where they could get injured again.

Of course, the risk is that Zach Wilson does not become a star, and that risk is exactly why I would pull the trigger for Watson in a heartbeat. If you told me right now that Zach Wilson is guaranteed to become a top-10 quarterback in the NFL, they might be better off long-term not making the trade. But you can never know that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 11:33:47 AM
I can't imagine the only way to make a deal involves Q.

I think it's far more likely that it would involve Q than us giving up 5 1st round picks
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
They also have the appeal to Watson of being further ahead in their rebuild, plus he's going from a zero income tax state to another one.

I don't see a bidding war because if Watson waives his NTC for a bunch of teams and creates one, it inevitably weakens the team he's going to. I think he waives for one or two teams and that's all.
It seems like Watson loves Robert Saleh. No idea what his opinion on Brian Flores is, but Saleh seems like a big selling point with the Jets.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:36:10 AM
plus he's going from a zero income tax state to another one.

This is overblown
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 11:37:35 AM
This is overblown

Especially since remember all he freaking Eli Manning commercials for the last 10 years?

If that jerkoff can get that much advertising, Watson would make a killing up here. Plenty enoguh to compensate for the state tax
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2021, 11:40:43 AM
Hard to ignore all the Super Bowls the 3 Florida teams have won this century due to no income tax.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 11:43:48 AM
This is overblown

tons of athletes make the choice to play all over the country because this is overblown.

If this was a big thing, every FA in the universe would only want to play in those states. Sure it's a nice bonus, but it isn't a primary reason for choosing a destination. Maybe it's a tie breaker, but more likely it's just a thing people think matters a lot more than it does.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
This is overblown

It's about $3M a year for him. If whoever's tweet it was is correct, that he doesn't care about the money, then I agree that it's not really a factor. But it's there.

We can't let Miami get him.  If they get him, we're screwed for a while.  We won't be able to catch Buffalo and Miami for several seasons...no matter how good Zach Wilson might be.

To a lesser extent this works in reverse as well. Change "Miami" for "the Jets" and "Zach Wilson" for "Tua".

I really hope it doesn't come to a bidding war between us and them, and that he just chooses one team and says "make a deal".
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:46:42 AM
It's about $3M a year for him.

But he'd make that back and much more in New York through advertising and branding. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2021, 11:47:20 AM
It's about $3M a year for him. If whoever's tweet it was is correct, that he doesn't care about the money, then I agree that it's not really a factor. But it's there.

To a lesser extent this works in reverse as well. Change "Miami" for "the Jets" and "Zach Wilson" for "Tua".

I really hope it doesn't come to a bidding war between us and them, and that he just chooses one team and says "make a deal".

Zach Wilson: Mormon Tua.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:47:45 AM
Zach Wilson: Mormon Tua.

They are not even remotely similar in terms of how they play the game. 

Wilson has much better arm strength.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 11:48:24 AM
It's about $3M a year for him. If whoever's tweet it was is correct, that he doesn't care about the money, then I agree that it's not really a factor. But it's there.

To a lesser extent this works in reverse as well. Change "Miami" for "the Jets" and "Zach Wilson" for "Tua".

I really hope it doesn't come to a bidding war between us and them, and that he just chooses one team and says "make a deal".
I just hope the Dolphins say, "We like Tua, and we are building around him."

Chris Grier drafted Tua last year. If you believe in Tua, you can make a ton of excuses for him last season - coming off a devastating injury, rookie season, all his weapons were bad and injured, he was 6-3 as a starter, etc.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2021, 11:48:40 AM
They are not even remotely similar in terms of how they play the game. 

I’m aware. Still funny to me.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 11:52:54 AM
I’m fine with giving Houston a blank check. If it really is down to us and Miami, you can not let them beat your offer. Period.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 11:53:49 AM
I’m fine with giving Houston a blank check. If it really is down to us and Miami, you can not let them beat your offer. Period.

Yeah, Joe Douglas can't let that happen. 

The only team I'm not okay getting into a bidding war with is Carolina.  I don't care if Watson goes to Carolina.  If he's out of the AFC (especially the AFC East), that's fine.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
JJ Watt is likely going to leave.....i'm sure Hou will ask for Quinnen.  And as much as i love him as a player, i'll drive his derriere to the airport for Watson.
Bless you

Thank.you for Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 11:56:01 AM
But he'd make that back and much more in New York through advertising and branding. 

It's not like there are no endorsement opportunities in Florida, but I'm not disagreeing with you that it's probably not a big deal in this case.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 11:56:20 AM
NY Marketing and Ad deals >>>>>>a few mil in tax dollars

LA and DAL are the only two who can compete there
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
NFL is a national sport. You can get ads anywhere. Patrick Mahomes plays in Kansas City. Aaron Rodgers plays in Green Bay.

New York does expand his endorsement opportunities. Florida gives him more tax dollars. Ultimately, I can't imagine either being his primary reason to pick a desti
nation.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 12:02:07 PM
Time to let the leaks fly to avoid tampering
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on January 28, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
If we end up with Watson I'd put my money on Q being gone.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 28, 2021, 12:07:47 PM
FWIW: Schefter and Mortensen insist that he's not coming. First they told Greenberg not to "get his hopes up" and now Schefter posted 4 pics on Twitter with Watson photoshopped into unis and when some fan told him he forgot the Jets, Mortensen replied "No, he didn't".

Don't know what to make of that because those guys are pretty reliable although much more so when they're breaking news than when they state their opinion.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
NFL is a national sport. You can get ads anywhere. Patrick Mahomes plays in Kansas City. Aaron Rodgers plays in Green Bay.

New York does expand his endorsement opportunities. Florida gives him more tax dollars. Ultimately, I can't imagine either being his primary reason to pick a desti
nation.

A quick google search for the biggest endorsement deals, leaving out regionless athletes like golfers and tennis players, gives me the following top five:

1. Derrick Rose (shoe deal signed while in Chicago)
2. LeBron James (Cleveland and Miami)
3. Steph Curry (Bay Area)
4. Kevin Durant (Bay Area)
5. James Harden (Houston)

In fact in the top 24, there isn't a single New York athlete (there are a couple who have moved to NY recently). I suspect the whole NYC endorsement myth is just that. Being really freaking good is more important than where you actually play.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 12:08:36 PM
FWIW: Schefter and Mortensen insist that he's not coming. First they told Greenberg not to "get his hopes up" and now Schefter posted 4 pics on Twitter with Watson photoshopped into unis and when some fan told him he forgot the Jets, Mortensen replied "No, he didn't".

Don't know what to make of that because those guys are pretty reliable although much more so when they're breaking news than when they state their opinion.

Not to be a dick, but the only reason Mort still works at ESPN is because he got sick.  That guy sucks derriere. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 12:10:13 PM
Schefter posted a picture of Deshaun Watson in a Saints jersey.

How in the hell are the Saints going to get Deshaun Watson?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 28, 2021, 12:12:42 PM
Schefter posted a picture of Deshaun Watson in a Saints jersey.

How in the hell are the Saints going to get Deshaun Watson?

Yeah, I thought the same thing. And he also posted a Chicago one. Why the freak would Deshaun go to Chicago? What Schefter told Greenberg worries me more tbh.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Schefter posted a picture of Deshaun Watson in a Saints jersey.

How in the hell are the Saints going to get Deshaun Watson?

It’s better for ESPN/NFL if there’s a bunch of fan bases that think they have the chance to get him. We live in a purely pageviews/clicks based world now
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 12:17:42 PM
A quick google search for the biggest endorsement deals, leaving out regionless athletes like golfers and tennis players, gives me the following top five:

1. Derrick Rose (shoe deal signed while in Chicago)
2. LeBron James (Cleveland and Miami)
3. Steph Curry (Bay Area)
4. Kevin Durant (Bay Area)
5. James Harden (Houston)

In fact in the top 24, there isn't a single New York athlete (there are a couple who have moved to NY recently). I suspect the whole NYC endorsement myth is just that. Being really freaking good is more important than where you actually play.

But think of all the Watson runs on Dunkin and Toyota comericial.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 12:19:38 PM
A quick google search for the biggest endorsement deals, leaving out regionless athletes like golfers and tennis players, gives me the following top five:

1. Derrick Rose (shoe deal signed while in Chicago)
2. LeBron James (Cleveland and Miami)
3. Steph Curry (Bay Area)
4. Kevin Durant (Bay Area)
5. James Harden (Houston)

In fact in the top 24, there isn't a single New York athlete (there are a couple who have moved to NY recently). I suspect the whole NYC endorsement myth is just that. Being really freaking good is more important than where you actually play.
To be fair, New York professional sports have been awful for years now. The Yankees are the only quality team, and I assume there aren't many baseball players on your list.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 28, 2021, 12:20:03 PM
There's no top 24 big endorsement deal because frankly, NY teams and players suck across all sports. If suddenly one becomes very good (not even great) I think that may change.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 12:20:38 PM
A quick google search for the biggest endorsement deals, leaving out regionless athletes like golfers and tennis players, gives me the following top five:

1. Derrick Rose (shoe deal signed while in Chicago)
2. LeBron James (Cleveland and Miami)
3. Steph Curry (Bay Area)
4. Kevin Durant (Bay Area)
5. James Harden (Houston)

In fact in the top 24, there isn't a single New York athlete (there are a couple who have moved to NY recently). I suspect the whole NYC endorsement myth is just that. Being really freaking good is more important than where you actually play.

Not too many NFL players sign shoe deals...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 28, 2021, 12:22:34 PM
Yeah, I thought the same thing. And he also posted a Chicago one. Why the freak would Deshaun go to Chicago? What Schefter told Greenberg worries me more tbh.

I understand telling a Jets fan not to get his hopes up because a lot of things still need to happen for Watson to wind up in green and white but I don't understand the insinuation that the Jets are somehow not in play or are at least not as in play as some of the other teams. The Jets should have at least as good a chance to acquire Watson as anyone else simply because they have the most to offer.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 12:23:14 PM
Basketball is a different thing entirely

Also. Aside from the Giants beating the Pat's and a couple Yankees chips

NY sports have been booty for awhile nacross the board lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
Odell Beckham Jr.'s deal with Nike (and several other companies) has earned him more through endorsements than any other NFL player.  He was in New York when he signed it. 

Eli Manning is also in the top ten (8th).

New York is the only team with two players in the top ten of endorsement earnings. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 12:24:24 PM
Basketball is a different thing entirely

Exactly.  NBA is also global.  China doesn't give a damn about the NFL. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on January 28, 2021, 12:24:45 PM
Seems it's just me and Heismanberg on the freak yo draft value couch tip

I've laid my argument out plenty in the  LOLTexans thread.

My stance is obvious lol

Im with you guys. Trade everything. 5 firsts, whatever it takes. The draft is my favorite time of the year, but you Ditka for Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 28, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
A lot of people just like to bag on the Jets and don't understand that this is a different team now. Gase is no longer the head coach. We have a respected front office and coaching staff led by Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh, respectively. We have as much draft capital and cap space as any other team in the league. We have the resources to acquire Watson and to put players around him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 12:28:34 PM
Deshaun doing Arby's endorsements.  Do it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 12:36:51 PM
FWIW: Schefter and Mortensen insist that he's not coming. First they told Greenberg not to "get his hopes up" and now Schefter posted 4 pics on Twitter with Watson photoshopped into unis and when some fan told him he forgot the Jets, Mortensen replied "No, he didn't".

Don't know what to make of that because those guys are pretty reliable although much more so when they're breaking news than when they state their opinion.
Mortensen is right. He didn’t. https://t.co/vCWz90v86y


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Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 28, 2021, 12:38:40 PM
Mortensen is right. He didn’t. https://t.co/vCWz90v86y

That's what I immediately thought of.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 12:44:59 PM
SO my question about Schefter's certainty the Jet's have very little chance is, which side is he getting this info from?

Watson's camp? Because there are a ton of reports and tea leaves and all the rest suggesting he would come to NY.

So is he getting this from the Jets side? From Douglas and the FO that we won't get seriously involved? That would be very depressing.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 12:47:16 PM
Anybody know who the hell this guy is?

https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1354835234743873539

Quote
According to
@ShannonSharpe
 and his close sources, Jets are heavy favorites to get
@deshaunwatson
 because of NY/Saleh and is willing to play “hard ball” with Houston to force a move. Miami as well as 1 or 2 others could be involved but Jets heavy favoritesSyringeSyringeSyringe

If he actually chooses to force a move to NY that would be the most anti-jets thing I think any of us have ever seen.

Does anyone know if Sharpe actually would have a source in this thing like this guy suggests?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 12:47:17 PM
SO my question about Schefter's certainty the Jet's have very little chance is, which side is he getting this info from?

Watson's camp? Because there are a ton of reports and tea leaves and all the rest suggesting he would come to NY.

So is he getting this from the Jets side? From Douglas and the FO that we won't get seriously involved? That would be very depressing.
We need Ghostbusters Darnold and cracked shoulders Wilson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2021, 12:50:26 PM
SO my question about Schefter's certainty the Jet's have very little chance is, which side is he getting this info from?

Watson's camp? Because there are a ton of reports and tea leaves and all the rest suggesting he would come to NY.

So is he getting this from the Jets side? From Douglas and the FO that we won't get seriously involved? That would be very depressing.

smokescreen so the dolphins offer less than they would otherwise!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 12:53:52 PM
All jokes aside.  If we fail to get him I want to at least hear we tried lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on January 28, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
smokescreen so the dolphins offer less than they would otherwise!
Let's hope so lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Jumbo on January 28, 2021, 01:00:57 PM
Quinn Ewers is likely the next generational QB prospect.  He'll be draft eligible in 2024. 

No way that a QB with the last name "Ewers" will ever be successful in the NFL.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 28, 2021, 01:23:08 PM
Ian Rapoport:

From NFL Now: The #Texans have received plenty of calls on Deshaun Watson, and that will continue. From the #Jets to the #Bears to #Panthers, who'll make a strong push, to many others. One of the most robust trade markets we've seen.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 01:25:17 PM
Ian Rapoport:

From NFL Now: The #Texans have received plenty of calls on Deshaun Watson, and that will continue. From the #Jets to the #Bears to #Panthers, who'll make a strong push, to many others. One of the most robust trade markets we've seen.

Good...JD has jumped into this pool.  Do the needful, king.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 02:15:50 PM
Ian Rapoport:

From NFL Now: The #Texans have received plenty of calls on Deshaun Watson, and that will continue. From the #Jets to the #Bears to #Panthers, who'll make a strong push, to many others. One of the most robust trade markets we've seen.

That already makes me feel better.

I have to think given the cap situation houston is in, picks matter more than players, since they can't build around top players on 2nd contracts already. To me that puts the Bears out of it. As for Carolina, I don't know what they have in the tank that makes me think they can outbid us. Burns, Linn and 7 sure doesn't sound as enticing as 2 + more 1s.


edit: the other thing I like about this, is the Dolphins aren't mentioned in the 'strong push' category.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 02:15:54 PM
For argument's (fun) sake, let's say it was made public that the Dolphins were not interested in bidding for Watson.  How much lower could our offer be based on our main competition being gone?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 02:19:23 PM
For argument's (fun) sake, let's say it was made public that the Dolphins were not interested in bidding for Watson.  How much lower could our offer be based on our main competition being gone?

For argument's (fun) sake, let's say it was made public that the Dolphins were not interested in bidding for Watson.  How much lower could our offer be based on our main competition being gone?

Only 3 teams can offer at least 3 1's over the next two years, Jets, Jags and Phins.

Jags are out because it's an inter division trade and they have Lawrence.

If the Phins bow out, I'd stand firm at 3 1's. Houston can pick which 3 they want in 2021-2022 and that's the play for me. Sure i'd come up a bit if I had to, but no one has a better pick based offer on the table than that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2021, 02:19:30 PM
Tony Pauline says he's now hearing the Dolphins are the favorite.  He said the Jets were the favorite yesterday.

I can again confirm that Tony Pauline is a sourceless, moronic piece of excrement that livestreams from a creepy basement. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 28, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
Tony Pauline says he's now hearing the Dolphins are the favorite.  He said the Jets were the favorite yesterday.

I can again confirm that Tony Pauline is a sourceless, moronic piece of excrement that livestreams from a creepy basement. 

The good news, is he's usually wrong. So by changing his prediction to the phish, it's actually more likely Watson is a Jet.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
Tony Pauline says he's now hearing the Dolphins are the favorite.  He said the Jets were the favorite yesterday.

I can again confirm that Tony Pauline is a sourceless, moronic piece of excrement that livestreams from a creepy basement. 

ahahaha....how does that guy stay relevant
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 02:25:19 PM
That already makes me feel better.

I have to think given the cap situation houston is in, picks matter more than players, since they can't build around top players on 2nd contracts already. To me that puts the Bears out of it. As for Carolina, I don't know what they have in the tank that makes me think they can outbid us. Burns, Linn and 7 sure doesn't sound as enticing as 2 + more 1s.


edit: the other thing I like about this, is the Dolphins aren't mentioned in the 'strong push' category.

Apart from the cap position, with Watson and Watt where they are I can't see how Houston do anything other than a complete tear down and rebuild. Even if they can afford to fit players in under the cap with those two gone, I doubt they'd want to.

I wonder if this puts Tunsil on the market again. If they're rebuilding over the next couple of years, his deal is going to be coming due again. They could get a ton more picks for an elite tackle just coming into his prime.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
ahahaha....how does that guy stay relevant

People keep talking about him after he says stupid excrement instead of ignoring him when he says stupid excrement.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 02:46:53 PM
Remember, even if we don't get Watson, we still have two #1s.  Not a terrible consolation prize.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 02:53:20 PM
Remember, even if we don't get Watson, we still have two #1s.  Not a terrible consolation prize.

I'm not worried and i'm fine with not getting Watson either provided he doesn't end up with an AFC East rival.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on January 28, 2021, 03:14:08 PM
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Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
Another thing in our favor over the Dolphins.....the Texans would rather have our first round pick in 2022 because the Dolphins are likely to be better than us next year, leading to a worse pick in that draft.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 28, 2021, 07:52:41 PM
Another thing in our favor over the Dolphins.....the Texans would rather have our first round pick in 2022 because the Dolphins are likely to be better than us next year, leading to a worse pick in that draft.
It is also less embarrassing to use Deshaun Watson to get back the pick you traded for Tunsil.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 03:14:57 AM
It is also less embarrassing to use Deshaun Watson to get back the pick you traded for Tunsil.

I think this is more of a consideration than the 2022 pick differences. One could argue Gase was our biggest reason for 2-14 and an average coach would have had us 4-12 or 5-11. One could argue our second biggest reason was QB play and if we had average QB play to go with average coaching we could have approached .500.

Watson and Saleh would hopefully change that and with the added pieces we should be in the playoff mix next year. Maybe we don’t get in but we should be right on the cusp. And that’s where Miami was last year, right there.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2021, 07:16:19 AM
It is also less embarrassing to use Deshaun Watson to get back the pick you traded for Tunsil.
I think this is a degree of sunk cost fallacy. If the deal from Miami is the best one, not taking it because it was your pick originally would be madness. Particularly as it wasn't Caserio who sent it in the first place.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 07:21:29 AM
Watson is going to have to prove he will sit out before they trade him.  Their best option is to keep him and fix their cap situation somehow.  Maybe unload Watt and rework a few contracts to get a decent WR.  Eat excrement this year with regard to draft picks and start fresh in 2022. 

Watson won't go for that though and he will most certainly sit out.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 07:23:59 AM
Watson is going to have to prove he will sit out before they trade him.  Their best option is to keep him and fix their cap situation somehow.  Maybe unload Watt and rework a few contracts to get a decent WR.  Eat excrement this year with regard to draft picks and start fresh in 2022. 

Watson won't go for that though and he will most certainly sit out.


Oddly enough the situation gets better for us if this goes beyond the draft, assuming we don’t go QB with #2.

We are currently the only team with multiple 1s for next year and we are in the best position to facilitate a draft day trade to acquire another one next year.  Which would allow us to build our team right now and then acquire Watson in July when he’s made it clear to Houston he isn’t coming no matter what they do or what they threaten him with.

Obviously I hope we acquire him today, just so we can celebrate it and not worry about it, but if it does drag on we are one of the only teams to be able to make a deal later.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 07:32:10 AM
Oddly enough the situation gets better for us if this goes beyond the draft, assuming we don’t go QB with #2.

We are currently the only team with multiple 1s for next year and we are in the best position to facilitate a draft day trade to acquire another one next year.  Which would allow us to build our team right now and then acquire Watson in July when he’s made it clear to Houston he isn’t coming no matter what they do or what they threaten him with.

Obviously I hope we acquire him today, just so we can celebrate it and not worry about it, but if it does drag on we are one of the only teams to be able to make a deal later.
They can't go beyond the draft unless they aren't bluffing and plan on keeping him.  They need draft picks this year more than next year. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 08:10:54 AM
They can't go beyond the draft unless they aren't bluffing and plan on keeping him.  They need draft picks this year more than next year. 

If they are smart, they cannot go beyond the draft.

My thought was simply what if they tried to call Watson's bluff, and he isn't actually bluffing and they realize they are squarely fucked and then decide to pull the trigger on the best offer they can get, which would clearly be less than what they could get before the draft.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 08:15:46 AM
Watson will be traded before March.  It's not going to linger past the draft.  Houston's perceived leverage is "witholding salary" but Watson doesn't give a excrement.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 08:17:01 AM
Watson will be traded before March.  It's not going to linger past the draft.  Houston's perceived leverage is "witholding salary" but Watson doesn't give a excrement.

Yep.  Horse is already out of the barn.  Might as well get what you can for him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2021, 08:21:20 AM
Watson will be traded before March.  It's not going to linger past the draft.  Houston's perceived leverage is "witholding salary" but Watson doesn't give a excrement.
When can he officially be traded? I thought the new league year starts in March.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 29, 2021, 08:29:18 AM
When can he officially be traded? I thought the new league year starts in March.

March 17th, St. Patrick's Day.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 08:37:05 AM
Is this one of those situations where the Texans can give permission to seek a trade and it all be done before free agency, with it just becoming official of March 17th?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 08:45:35 AM
Is this one of those situations where the Texans can give permission to seek a trade and it all be done before free agency, with it just becoming official of March 17th?

this is my assumption
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 08:47:01 AM
When can he officially be traded? I thought the new league year starts in March.

the trade can't be made official until the new league year.


Kinda like when we find about a FAs signing with a team days before, but can't be made official until Free Agency actually opens.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 29, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
Alex Smith was traded to Kansas City on January 30th. 

Trades can be made now.  They just aren't official until March 17th. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 08:53:04 AM
Alex Smith was traded to Kansas City on January 30th. 

Trades can be made now.  They just aren't official until March 17th. 

That's what i figured
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 29, 2021, 08:59:16 AM
The Texans aren't going to trade him any time soon though.  They'd be smart to run up the price a little bit. 

They'll probably end up hanging on to him for too long and that's the worse thing they can do.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
https://twitter.com/barnold1993/status/1355164274793054208?s=21

BIT
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on January 29, 2021, 11:32:50 AM
https://twitter.com/barnold1993/status/1355164274793054208?s=21

BIT

That's not actually what they said but okay
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2021, 11:54:32 AM
I love that Marshall is such a Jets fan.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/29/brandon-marshall-deshaun-watson-ny-jets-houston-texans-trade/
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 29, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
I love that Marshall is such a Jets fan.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/29/brandon-marshall-deshaun-watson-ny-jets-houston-texans-trade/

Come back!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 29, 2021, 12:17:25 PM
The Texans aren't going to trade him any time soon though.  They'd be smart to run up the price a little bit. 

They'll probably end up hanging on to him for too long and that's the worse thing they can do.
It's tricky because the best thing that they can do is find a way to make Deshaun Watson happy. As soon as you trade him, that option is out the window.

But if they hang onto him after the draft, their return automatically gets significantly worse. Not only do you push back the picks by a year, but you also get no guarantee of when the picks are. If you trade him to the Jets/Dolphins, you know you're getting a top-3 pick. If you trade him after the draft, all those guarantees are gone.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 12:35:37 PM
Quote
Field Yates
@FieldYates
New Texans head coach David Culley on Deshaun Watson: "He is a Houston Texan. I want him to be a Houston Texan. The reason I'm in this position today is because I know he's going to be a Houston Texan."



good luck dude lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 12:51:12 PM
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1355221591169372163?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 01:24:58 PM


good luck dude lol

What else is he supposed to say? Culley got offered a HC gig. If Watson hadn't basically said "I want out," he doesn't get the job. There is no one in the world who feels Culley gets this job if Watson was all in. Probably not even Culley himself.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
https://twitter.com/barnold1993/status/1355164274793054208?s=21

BIT

Apparently this has been shutdown as a thing
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2021, 01:36:56 PM
Texans’ GM Nick Caserio: "Before we take a few questions: Organizationally, we want to reiterate our commitment to Deshaun Watson. We have zero interest in trading the player."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 01:41:04 PM
Texans’ GM Nick Caserio: "Before we take a few questions: Organizationally, we want to reiterate our commitment to Deshaun Watson. We have zero interest in trading the player."

What is he supposed to say. Please send in your offers, we’d like to get this over with by Monday?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 01:49:04 PM
What is he supposed to say. Please send in your offers, we’d like to get this over with by Monday?

first of all, you can acknowledge there's a freaking problem. 


Those 2 idiots are acting like Watson will be a good boy and show up like he's supposed to.  Newsflash:  They haven't been in contact with him yet (how long has Caserio had this job now? a few weeks?....and it sounds like Watson isn't answering their calls anyway.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: klaximilian on January 29, 2021, 01:50:12 PM
first of all, you can acknowledge there's a freaking problem.

While there is no doubt about that, acknowledging it does nothing for whatever leverage they have left.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 01:51:48 PM
While there is no doubt about that, acknowledging it does nothing for whatever leverage they have left.

They have no leverage...that's the best part.

The worst they can do is to start and continue to fine him, but Deshaun already said this isn't about money.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: klaximilian on January 29, 2021, 01:56:50 PM
They have no leverage...that's the best part.

The worst they can do is to start and continue to fine him, but Deshaun already said this isn't about money.

If that were the case, they would trade him for a bag of Doritos and one of your crusty tube socks.

When it comes to getting ROI for him, they have to tow the company line and pretend like it's a salvageable situation.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 02:02:49 PM
If that were the case, they would trade him for a bag of Doritos and one of your crusty tube socks.

When it comes to getting ROI for him, they have to tow the company line and pretend like it's a salvageable situation.

I understand that.  Did you watch the presser? 

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
I understand that.  Did you watch the presser?
Did you?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 02:35:02 PM
Did you?

Aye....front to back, bitch.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2021, 02:47:21 PM
Aye....front to back, bitch.
But why
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2021, 03:16:43 PM
But why
Knowledge is power?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: klaximilian on January 29, 2021, 03:29:36 PM
I understand that.  Did you watch the presser?

Unfortunately, no. Been swamped with work until today, finally just came up to breathe.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
Richard Sherman is an exceptionally smart man and the Texans should listen to him.

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1355229474342592512?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2021, 05:23:15 PM
Richard Sherman is an exceptionally smart man and the Texans should listen to him.

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1355229474342592512?s=19

To be fair, Richard Sherman is also fairly biased. As he loves Saleh, and I imagine by all accounts were the favorite to sign him.

But if for some reason the Texans don't trade Watson before the draft, then who knows what could happen.

If the Jets trade out of #2 and get future early picks, then between the extra picks and Darnold we are leveraged far better than every team in the league by a fairly long shot to make a run at Watson.

Of course if the Texans don't trade him by the draft, they might be committed to playing hard ball
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 29, 2021, 08:40:29 PM
https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1355340057197113354
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 29, 2021, 08:43:05 PM
https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1355340057197113354

If only all the former Jets can will this into existence that are trying too, that’d be great
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2021, 08:44:19 PM
If only all the former Jets can will this into existence that are trying too, that’d be great
At the very least it's nice to have people out there going to bat for us.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on January 29, 2021, 09:04:01 PM
At the very least it's nice to have people out there going to bat for us.

Absolutely.  Even if we miss out on Watson, the fact that so many people are referring to the Jets as a favorable destination is a pleasant change of pace.   

This time two years ago, we were already on damage control trying to downplay Crazy Eyes. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1355553805354594304?s=19

Deshaun "Boogie" Watson ain't playin'.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2021, 11:02:07 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1355553805354594304?s=19

Deshaun "Boogie" Watson ain't playin'.

Can't wait to trade 2 beef n cheddars for this beast.  #BoogiePkg
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 31, 2021, 11:24:01 AM
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John McClain
@McClain_on_NFL
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1h
The Rams-Lions trade will have nothing to do with a Watson trade if the Texans do it. They'll want 2 ones, 2 twos and 2 young defensive starters, at the least. Watson, 25, under contract, great QB, team leader, beloved by fans, pillar of the community. Start with the Jets.

John McClain decides on what trade comp will be for Watson

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 31, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
John McClain decides on what trade comp will be for Watson


https://twitter.com/Quincy_Avery/status/1354976038577729539?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2021, 06:23:05 PM
John McClain decides on what trade comp will be for Watson



Just for giggles, if the Jets made this trade what would it entail?

Williams and???  Tagging and trading Maye?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 31, 2021, 06:34:53 PM
Just for giggles, if the Jets made this trade what would it entail?

Williams and???  Tagging and trading Maye?

Defensively speaking the only guys that I can see that fit that description are

Quinnen Williams
John Franklin-Myers
Foley Fatukasi
Bryce Hall
Ashtyn Davis
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2021, 07:36:54 PM
Defensively speaking the only guys that I can see that fit that description are

Quinnen Williams
John Franklin-Myers
Foley Fatukasi
Bryce Hall
Ashtyn Davis

It makes me wonder, if the Texans asking price for Watson includes two young defensive studs, if they would throw in Watt to make the offer more palatable. Especially if asking teams to give up young defensive stars (ie quinnen Williams)

I don't really know what Watts trade value is at considering his contracts near its end, he's older, and has been completely plagued with injuries.

And I guess out of Williams we don't exactly have a ton of top young defensive talent
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 31, 2021, 07:54:06 PM
It makes me wonder, if the Texans asking price for Watson includes two young defensive studs, if they would throw in Watt to make the offer more palatable. Especially if asking teams to give up young defensive stars (ie quinnen Williams)

I don't really know what Watts trade value is at considering his contracts near its end, he's older, and has been completely plagued with injuries.

And I guess out of Williams we don't exactly have a ton of top young defensive talent

I mentioned it before but if they wanted us to take Watt's salary in addition to Watson, that should cut somethings OFF the price we have to pay to acquire Watson. We are giving them cap relief, and IMO that might be a worthwhile thing to do if we can retain some extra draft capital.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on January 31, 2021, 08:16:11 PM
Defensively speaking the only guys that I can see that fit that description are

Quinnen Williams
John Franklin-Myers
Foley Fatukasi
Bryce Hall
Ashtyn Davis

Mosley.  Texans think they're getting an elite linebacker, CJ shows up looking like Fat Thor.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on January 31, 2021, 08:22:15 PM
Mosley.  Texans think they're getting an elite linebacker, CJ shows up looking like Fat Thor.

I took young to mean “cheap” and Mosely is anything but cheap
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 31, 2021, 08:26:39 PM
Mosley.  Texans think they're getting an elite linebacker, CJ shows up looking like Fat Thor.

I would be fine trading Mosely.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2021, 09:16:15 PM
I mentioned it before but if they wanted us to take Watt's salary in addition to Watson, that should cut somethings OFF the price we have to pay to acquire Watson. We are giving them cap relief, and IMO that might be a worthwhile thing to do if we can retain some extra draft capital.

Watt has zero guaranteed money

They don't need to get thst contract off their hands, if they wanted thst they'd cut him
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on February 02, 2021, 07:57:10 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/deshaun-watson-willing-to-sit-out-2021-season (https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/deshaun-watson-willing-to-sit-out-2021-season)

Hardballin that excrement
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 02, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/deshaun-watson-willing-to-sit-out-2021-season (https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/deshaun-watson-willing-to-sit-out-2021-season)

Hardballin that excrement

Much like with Houston saying they won’t trade him, it’s all posturing. The difference is I think everyone believes Watson and nobody believes Houston
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 02, 2021, 08:50:21 PM
Much like with Houston saying they won’t trade him, it’s all posturing. The difference is I think everyone believes Watson and nobody believes Houston

I think it all depends on Jesus wants them to do. On one level this is a simple professional sports transaction, but on another it's a very real battle for Deshaun Watson's eternal soul. When you think of it like that, who are we to question that which is ordered from on high via His Emissary?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 02, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
Trade the #2 pick to the 49ers for their #12, their 1st next year (and maybe a compensation 3rd round pick as well).  You're now sitting with five 1st round draft picks for 2021/2022.  You can call Houston with a flushed hand and who knows, maybe four 1st rounder does the trick.  If it would take all five 1st rounds picks to get Watson well that's for JD to decide.  One thing's for sure - no one (including Miami) is offering Houston six 1st round picks.  And, Quinnen, Mosely, Maye all stay.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 02, 2021, 10:28:47 PM
Trade the #2 pick to the 49ers for their #12, their 1st next year (and maybe a compensation 3rd round pick as well).  You're now sitting with five 1st round draft picks for 2021/2022.  You can call Houston with a flushed hand and who knows, maybe four 1st rounder does the trick.  If it would take all five 1st rounds picks to get Watson well that's for JD to decide.  One thing's for sure - no one (including Miami) is offering Houston six 1st round picks.  And, Quinnen, Mosely, Maye all stay.
Why wouldn't Houston just take the #2 pick and make that exact same trade themselves if they wanted to trade down?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 03, 2021, 06:45:04 AM
Why wouldn't Houston just take the #2 pick and make that exact same trade themselves if they wanted to trade down?

I would agree. In terms of QB, the #2 is far more valuable than the extra pick from SF.

If we can’t land Watson and want to load up on picks and talent, then a trade down with SF is enticing because of what we could acquire to move back that far. And that offer you made wouldn’t be worth it to me to give up any QB, Chase, Sewell, Smith, Waddle, both CBs and Kwitty Paye.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 09:26:47 AM
My prediction:  We are underestimating Douglas' reluctance to part with draft picks.  I think Cimini is right.  We most certainly will be in the mix for Watson, but I think we won't get him. Not because we don't have the ammo, but because Douglas has a limit lower than we do.  I think he will go somewhere else and a lot of Jets fans will be pissed at Douglas when they see the compensation, and that we could have exceeded it. 

If we don't get Watson, I really don't think we draft a QB.  We stick with Darnold and let the final chapter of whether he's any good play out.  You never know.  I wouldn't bet on it, but he may have a revival under the right offense and we have a good problem of deciding whether to pay him in 2022 or not. 

Douglas will move heaven and earth to trade down from 2 and pile up the picks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 03, 2021, 10:02:09 AM
My prediction:  We are underestimating Douglas' reluctance to part with draft picks.  I think Cimini is right.  We most certainly will be in the mix for Watson, but I think we won't get him. Not because we don't have the ammo, but because Douglas has a limit lower than we do.  I think he will go somewhere else and a lot of Jets fans will be pissed at Douglas when they see the compensation, and that we could have exceeded it. 

If we don't get Watson, I really don't think we draft a QB.  We stick with Darnold and let the final chapter of whether he's any good play out.  You never know.  I wouldn't bet on it, but he may have a revival under the right offense and we have a good problem of deciding whether to pay him in 2022 or not. 

Douglas will move heaven and earth to trade down from 2 and pile up the picks.

If we can't secure Watson, because Douglas is unwilling to part with enough draft picks, then I really hope you are right because this franchise is going to need elite talent in a lot of places if it's going to survive having above average at best QB play.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on February 03, 2021, 01:46:10 PM
My prediction:  We are underestimating Douglas' reluctance to part with draft picks.  I think Cimini is right.  We most certainly will be in the mix for Watson, but I think we won't get him. Not because we don't have the ammo, but because Douglas has a limit lower than we do.  I think he will go somewhere else and a lot of Jets fans will be pissed at Douglas when they see the compensation, and that we could have exceeded it. 

If we don't get Watson, I really don't think we draft a QB.  We stick with Darnold and let the final chapter of whether he's any good play out.  You never know.  I wouldn't bet on it, but he may have a revival under the right offense and we have a good problem of deciding whether to pay him in 2022 or not. 

Douglas will move heaven and earth to trade down from 2 and pile up the picks.
I don't know.  Douglas better be sure about his standing with ownership.  The optics of passing on Watson to keep Sam Darnold are not good.  I think you can get away with passing on Watson to draft a qb, but the papers are going to go bananas if we keep Sam and could have gotten Deshaun.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 03, 2021, 02:00:55 PM
Why wouldn't Houston just take the #2 pick and make that exact same trade themselves if they wanted to trade down?

Fair point.  I was looking at it in terms of sheer numbers of 1st round picks JD would have in hand (5) to match Miami the presumed co-favorite in the Deshaun sweepstakes offering up 4 first-round picks (i.e. to raise it to '5' picks if needed).  Of course the point's moot if Houston's sticking to its guns and keeping Watson come hell or high water which then raises the question: is that #2 pick really worth that much more to Houston if they're not in love with any of the QBs?  Myself I'm not a fan of Fields and am leery of Wilson's wing already having had surgery. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 03, 2021, 07:22:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/1357110379948634112?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 07:39:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/1357110379948634112?s=20
Sounds like he won't veto any other team.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on February 03, 2021, 07:50:38 PM
Sounds like he won't veto any other team.

So just gotta offer the most. Shouldn’t be hard as long as the Texans aren’t in love with Tua.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 03, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
So just gotta offer the most. Shouldn’t be hard as long as the Texans aren’t in love with Tua.

This feels like the absolute perfect storm for us.

Literally all we have to do is just agree to do it.

Why does it feel like we won’t?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on February 03, 2021, 08:39:44 PM
This feels like the absolute perfect storm for us.

Literally all we have to do is just agree to do it.

Why does it feel like we won’t?

I don't expect anything to happen until either the Texans and the Jets have had a chance to sit down with Wilson and Fields.  Until then I think projecting near total disinterest is the shrewd move. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 08:49:19 PM
This feels like the absolute perfect storm for us.

Literally all we have to do is just agree to do it.

Why does it feel like we won’t?
I don't have confidence Douglas will be aggressive enough.  I think he'll be in the mix but not for whatever it takes.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2021, 05:52:58 AM
I don't have confidence Douglas will be aggressive enough.  I think he'll be in the mix but not for whatever it takes.

It doesn’t have to be whatever it takes, it just has to be more than the other guys
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 06:46:01 AM
It doesn’t have to be whatever it takes, it just has to be more than the other guys
More than the other guy would be the same as whatever it takes.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 06:57:15 AM
I wonder how crazy some of these offers will get from teams that don't have the resources we have.  Take the Panthers.  They don't have much cap space or a load of draft picks.  Are they gonna go full retard and offer the next 4 years of #1 picks?  Next 3 years' and a few players?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
More than the other guy would be the same as whatever it takes.

I disagree. There is a difference between the two.

Texans say we won’t trade him for less than 5 1s and Q.

The best offer on the table is 2 1s, 2 2s.

Whatever it takes to me would be giving the Texans what they want. Beating the best offer would be 3 1s and a 2.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2021, 08:05:42 AM
According to Tanny he would offer 4 1sts and Quinnen Williams

Because Watson would have a Tom Brady like impact on attracting players to the franchise

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2021, 08:13:57 AM
According to Tanny he would offer 4 1sts and Quinnen Williams

There's a reason Tannenbaum on TV and not running an NFL franchise
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 08:35:35 AM
Because Watson would have a Tom Brady like impact on attracting players to the franchise

He hasn't had that effect in Houston.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 08:52:40 AM
He hasn't had that effect in Houston.

Let me know when he's able to control the front office.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
Watson's agent:

https://twitter.com/DavidMulugheta/status/1356314598417248260
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2021, 09:51:00 AM
Watson's agent:

https://twitter.com/DavidMulugheta/status/1356314598417248260

that's 3 days old
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 04, 2021, 10:15:49 AM
Quote
https://sny.tv/articles/how-deshaun-watson-views-new-york-jets-miami-dolphins-trade-houston-texans

Let's all freak out bc on Feb 3rd, the Jets aren't his top choice.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2021, 10:20:40 AM
Top choice doesn't matter anyway.

Like I said before we only need 3 things.

Texans willing to trade him.
Watson willing to come here.
Jets make the best offer.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
Top choice doesn't matter anyway.

Like I said before we only need 3 things.

Texans willing to trade him.
Watson willing to come here.
Jets make the best offer.

I think that last one will be the problem.  Just guessing.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2021, 10:22:35 AM
I think that last one will be the problem.  Just guessing.

1. Watson
2. Wilson/Lance @ 2

one of these things happens, and i'll be happy.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 10:32:06 AM
1. Watson
2. Wilson/Lance @ 2

one of these things happens, and i'll be happy.

Prepare your anus for Darnold.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2021, 10:35:47 AM
Prepare your anus for Darnold.

I think he's done here. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 10:40:25 AM
I think he's done here. 
Prepare.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
Prepare.

All gas, no brake.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 12:22:18 PM
Pelissero is saying that the salary cap may be much higher than was projected this year - the thinking has been that it would be around $175M, but he's saying it looks like it will be $185M+. If that's true then Watson's market could be a bit bigger than was thought, and it will also give Houston a bit more ability to try and keep him and turn his head around.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2021, 12:41:53 PM
Pelissero is saying that the salary cap may be much higher than was projected this year - the thinking has been that it would be around $175M, but he's saying it looks like it will be $185M+. If that's true then Watson's market could be a bit bigger than was thought, and it will also give Houston a bit more ability to try and keep him and turn his head around.

How would $10M extra in total cap space help Houston convince Deshaun Watson to stay? 

The cap is low whether it's at $175M or $185M.  Veterans are going to go after short deals this offseason and hope that the cap booms in 2022. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2021, 12:47:36 PM
Pelissero is saying that the salary cap may be much higher than was projected this year - the thinking has been that it would be around $175M, but he's saying it looks like it will be $185M+. If that's true then Watson's market could be a bit bigger than was thought, and it will also give Houston a bit more ability to try and keep him and turn his head around.

Watson's beef isn't about money, it's about the ownership.  They could offer him Fort Knox, and he'll still want out.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
How would $10M extra in total cap space help Houston convince Deshaun Watson to stay? 

The cap is low whether it's at $175M or $185M.  Veterans are going to go after short deals this offseason and hope that the cap booms in 2022. 

Couple of things - it gives them a bit more space to try and bring in players for him to work with, and it gives them breathing room to bring in a stopgap QB and let him holdout if they want to play chicken. I'm not saying it will make a huge amount of difference, but given their cap problems it does mean that the gun to their head is a little less forceful.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 12:50:42 PM
Watson's beef isn't about money, it's about the ownership.  They could offer him Fort Knox, and he'll still want out.

Yes, see my reply to Heis. I didn't mean so much giving him more money, as giving them more room to manouevre around him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
Yes, see my reply to Heis. I didn't mean so much giving him more money, as giving them more room to manouevre around him.

your point is completely moot.

Unless you're maneuvering the owner out of the franchise....it won't matter.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2021, 12:57:49 PM
it gives them a bit more space to try and bring in players for him to work with

No one will want to come there because he will tell them not to
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
Unless you're maneuvering the owner out of the franchise....it won't matter.

No one will want to come there because he will tell them not to

Both of these things may very well be correct, but it still gives the Texans more to work with and may impact their willingness to trade him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
Both of these things may very well be correct, but it still gives the Texans more to work with and may impact their willingness to trade him.

Johnny English is a Jack Easterby burner account
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
Johnny English is a Jack Easterby burner account

I'm just here to bring you closer to Jesus's warm embrace.

Thus far my mission is not going well.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2021, 01:22:06 PM
maunouevrue
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
maunouevrue

manoeuvre, from the French word "manoeuvre" meaning "to manipulate".

If I can't bring Jesus to you, I can at least bring a modicum of education.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2021, 01:35:36 PM
Umaminubianiere
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
maunouevrue

An maunouevrue
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
Mynyvyr
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 04, 2021, 02:04:57 PM
There's a reason Tannenbaum on TV and not running an NFL franchise
In Tanny's defense, part of the reason Houston is in this situation is because Tanny fleeced the Texans in the Tunsil deal.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 04, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
There's a reason Tannenbaum on TV and not running an NFL franchise

Sounds like late stage-get Tebow Tannenbaum, not early stage-2006 and 2007 drafts Tannenbaum.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 04, 2021, 04:57:45 PM
Sounds like late stage-get Tebow Tannenbaum, not early stage-2006 and 2007 drafts Tannenbaum.

Eric Mangini ran those drafts, not Tannenbaum
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 04, 2021, 05:44:30 PM
There's a reason Tannenbaum on TV and not running an NFL franchise

  ^ This +100.   A slew of 1's AND Quinnen Williams?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2021, 09:21:50 PM
  ^ This +100.   A slew of 1's AND Quinnen Williams?

I don't think it's unrealistic

Though it would be nice if that slew of one's didn't include #2 and instead included Darnold

Darnold Williams both of Seattle's picks and our next two 1s (not including #2) wouldn't be a horrible trade
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 04, 2021, 10:01:03 PM
That said, I wouldn't offer four 1s and Quinnen. Unless teams are offering multiple young stars, how many teams can beat four 1sts? Or 3 and Quinnen?

If it becomes a bidding war somehow, and we need to offer all of that to win, take it or leave it, that's a really tough choice and I probably say no. There becomes a point where the roster is too gutted where I would rather take a shot on a rookie quarterback and hope we can build a quality young roster with picks around him, and I think that's the point.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
That said, I wouldn't offer four 1s and Quinnen. Unless teams are offering multiple young stars, how many teams can beat four 1sts? Or 3 and Quinnen?

If it becomes a bidding war somehow, and we need to offer all of that to win, take it or leave it, that's a really tough choice and I probably say no. There becomes a point where the roster is too gutted where I would rather take a shot on a rookie quarterback and hope we can build a quality young roster with picks around him, and I think that's the point.

From the flipside there could be a point where an offer is so shitty that they might just be better off sitting it out.

I mean imagine if Watson was a jet and he was forcing our hand. Unless someone offered somewhat appropriate value, what have they got to lose by saying okay then sit out.

In a year the dudes still gonna be a 26 year old star QB. And maybe teams will be willing to offer more for him.

I certainly don't hope Houston takes that approach, but if he was a jet I certainly wouldn't want to give him up for less than a treasure of riches
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 04, 2021, 10:59:15 PM
From the flipside there could be a point where an offer is so shitty that they might just be better off sitting it out.

I mean imagine if Watson was a jet and he was forcing our hand. Unless someone offered somewhat appropriate value, what have they got to lose by saying okay then sit out.

In a year the dudes still gonna be a 26 year old star QB. And maybe teams will be willing to offer more for him.

I certainly don't hope Houston takes that approach, but if he was a jet I certainly wouldn't want to give him up for less than a treasure of riches
Nobody has gotten three 1st-round picks in a deal since Herschel Walker, and that was mostly because the Vikings were negligent in trade conditions.

You're right that if the offers are shitty, they could sit it out. But none of the offers will be that bad. Even if they don't like it, if you won't get good offers now, you probably won't get them later.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2021, 01:46:33 AM
Nobody has gotten three 1st-round picks in a deal since Herschel Walker, and that was mostly because the Vikings were negligent in trade conditions.

You're right that if the offers are shitty, they could sit it out. But none of the offers will be that bad. Even if they don't like it, if you won't get good offers now, you probably won't get them later.

Is this not one of the better QB draft classes we've seen in years, with a cap crunch making draft picks more valuable?

Sure on one hand that could make picks more valuable for the Texans, but it could also stimy total compensation

Has a very young top ish tier QB been traded in his 20s since Jay Cutler?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 05, 2021, 11:43:26 AM

Has a very young top ish tier QB been traded in his 20s since Jay Cutler?

No and Cutler was never as good as Watson has been pre-trade.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 05, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
I don't think it's unrealistic

Though it would be nice if that slew of one's didn't include #2 and instead included Darnold

Darnold Williams both of Seattle's picks and our next two 1s (not including #2) wouldn't be a horrible trade

I think JD's final offer will likely not include both Sam and the #2 pick, unless that's all it is (and that's really unlikely to be the case).

I imagine he tells Houston they can have a replacement QB, either the rookie (#2) or Sam, but not both. As the other will be traded to recoup assets lost in the trade for Watson.

Obviously #2 + package will be different than a Sam + package, as Sam's value =/= #2, but if Houston likes Sam better than those rookie Qb's, then that might be a thing we see happen. I seriously doubt it though.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 05, 2021, 11:49:53 AM
Has a very young top ish tier QB been traded in his 20s since Jay Cutler?

A bit older, but Carson Palmer was still a top player when he was traded. I think his situation is pretty comparable to Watson's.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
Also I haven't looked into the Texans situation too much, but I was reading some Texans blog stating that the cap ramifications of trading Watson would be fairly crippling for them.

Apparently the texans are in a excrement cap spot and trading Watson would make it extremely shitty.

So in order to facilitate trading Watson they'd also have to purge some highly undesirable cotnracts,
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on February 07, 2021, 07:30:51 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if watson gets traded today.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 07, 2021, 07:49:45 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if watson gets traded today.

I don’t care when it happens as long as it’s to us
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 08:12:01 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if watson gets traded today.
No way.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:04:35 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if watson gets traded today.

lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:10:02 AM
NFL Update
@MySportsUpdate
 · 2h
The #Texans recently dismissed equipment manager Mike Parson — who had a close relationship with Deshaun Watson — and the move is not sitting well with players, per @AdamSchefter.




Imagine being a Texans fan.  Yeeks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Nate Washington's response to the Texans equip. mgr getting canned


Quote
Nate Washington
@nwash85
·
47m
This is BS
Double exclamation mark
Mike always went above and beyond in the equipment room to provide for the players while I was there! If I’m Deshaun there’s absolutely nothing they could do to get me back in that building! I’d pull a Leveon and sit out a whole year!!!


I don't know wtf Caserio is doing other than driving a bigger wedge between the team and Watson....but i'm at the point where i'll be shocked if Watson isn't traded by the time FA opens.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 10:22:30 AM
Nate Washington's response to the Texans equip. mgr getting canned



I don't know wtf Caserio is doing other than driving a bigger wedge between the team and Watson....but i'm at the point where i'll be shocked if Watson isn't traded by the time FA opens.
Caserio will pee off everyone so they can be funneled to the Pats on the cheap.  Once everything is burned down, Caserio returns to NE.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:25:13 AM
Caserio will pee off everyone so they can be funneled to the Pats on the cheap.  Once everything is burned down, Caserio returns to NE.


Saban will find a quality control job for Caserio on his staff.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 07, 2021, 05:16:36 PM
If they decide not to trade Watson before the draft, we should seriously consider trading down from #2 and getting more draft capital next season. I could see the Texans being stubborn and testing Watson's resolve. And if that's the case, getting a 3rd 1st-round pick next year makes us the favorites for Watson next season.

It's a risk, but if they believe in Darnold, that's another potential option. Let Darnold be the guy, and then if Watson becomes truly available, we can push him aside later.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 07, 2021, 05:48:02 PM
Stocking up on 1st round picks.  Good idea.
If they decide not to trade Watson before the draft, we should seriously consider trading down from #2 and getting more draft capital next season. I could see the Texans being stubborn and testing Watson's resolve. And if that's the case, getting a 3rd 1st-round pick next year makes us the favorites for Watson next season.
It's a risk, but if they believe in Darnold, that's another potential option. Let Darnold be the guy, and then if Watson becomes truly available, we can push him aside later.
Stocking up on 1st round picks.  Sounds like a good idea.

Quote from: delavan
Trade the #2 pick to the 49ers for their #12, their 1st next year (and maybe a compensation 3rd round pick as well). You're now sitting with five 1st round draft picks for 2021/2022. You can call Houston with a flushed hand and who knows, maybe four 1st rounder does the trick.  If it would take all five 1st rounds picks to get Watson well that's for JD to decide.  One thing's for sure - no one (including Miami) is offering Houston six 1st round picks.  And, Quinnen, Mosely, Maye all stay.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 07, 2021, 05:50:38 PM
Ha. Fair enough.

My scenario is only if it becomes clear they won't trade Watson before the draft. Unless we are taking a QB ourselves at #2, there's nobody we could take there that's worth passing up keeping flexibility for a Deshaun Watson trade IMO.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 08, 2021, 10:30:11 AM
Ha. Fair enough.

My scenario is only if it becomes clear they won't trade Watson before the draft. Unless we are taking a QB ourselves at #2, there's nobody we could take there that's worth passing up keeping flexibility for a Deshaun Watson trade IMO.
Got it.  : )
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2021, 11:28:19 AM
If they decide not to trade Watson before the draft, we should seriously consider trading down from #2 and getting more draft capital next season. I could see the Texans being stubborn and testing Watson's resolve. And if that's the case, getting a 3rd 1st-round pick next year makes us the favorites for Watson next season.

It's a risk, but if they believe in Darnold, that's another potential option. Let Darnold be the guy, and then if Watson becomes truly available, we can push him aside later.

I want us to keep Sam this year and then if he doesn't make the jump I believe he can, draft Spencer Rattler next year. I want to see how far Heismanberg's patience can be pushed.

In all seriousness, I can see the logic to your idea. If Saleh and Lafleur want to see what they can do with Sam for a year while the rest of the roster gets a big rebuild, then trading out of #2 to include a first next year gives us serious firepower in the next offseason to either swing for Watson, or trade up to wherever we need to be to get whoever they want. And if Sam does work out, then they have a ton of picks with which to build around him.

I'd love Watson at the Jets, but I'm increasingly nervous that the price to get him will be high enough that it will hamper our ability to fix the other problems.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 09, 2021, 07:11:08 AM
I want us to keep Sam this year and then if he doesn't make the jump I believe he can, draft Spencer Rattler next year. I want to see how far Heismanberg's patience can be pushed.

In all seriousness, I can see the logic to your idea. If Saleh and Lafleur want to see what they can do with Sam for a year while the rest of the roster gets a big rebuild, then trading out of #2 to include a first next year gives us serious firepower in the next offseason to either swing for Watson, or trade up to wherever we need to be to get whoever they want. And if Sam does work out, then they have a ton of picks with which to build around him.

I'd love Watson at the Jets, but I'm increasingly nervous that the price to get him will be high enough that it will hamper our ability to fix the other problems.
I know this is all jokes

But if we pass on Watson,  Wilson and Lance for Rattler

I seriously hope JD loses his job
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2021, 07:25:02 AM
1. Watson
2. Wilson/Lance @ 2

one of these things happens, and i'll be happy.

Lance at 2? Lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2021, 07:34:42 AM
Lance at 2? Lol

If Lance is their guy, you take him at 2.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2021, 09:05:09 AM
Lance at 2? Lol

Lance > Fields
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 10, 2021, 09:57:39 AM
If they love Lance, I can get behind him at 2. He's talented enough to go 2.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 10:21:02 AM
I think it was Cane who said on here or YDKF, if you like a QB enough to take them in the 2nd then you can take them in the 1st, no matter where in the 1st.

IMO if you have the luxury of an established but aging QB then taking a flyer in the 2nd is fine but we're not in that situation.

*If* Saleh and Douglas aren't comfortable going into the season with Darnold as the presumptive starter, and nobody better falls into our lap via trade or FA, then they need to identify which prospects they like more than Darnold and take the best one available ASAP.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2021, 10:55:51 AM
Quote
Jake Asman
@JakeAsman
According to @McClain_on_NFL
, if the #Texans decide to trade Deshaun Watson it would be to the #Jets!

Audio via @SportsRadio610


time to touch our peepees again
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2021, 11:17:32 AM
make it happen
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2021, 11:38:49 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
You need to let go of Darnold.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 10, 2021, 11:39:59 AM

time to touch our peepees again

Who the hell is Jake Asman?

How is this different than if I made the same tweet?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Who the hell is Jake Asman?

How is this different than if I made the same tweet?

"Always take an assman at his word." - MBGreen
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 11:42:27 AM
Who the hell is Jake Asman?

How is this different than if I made the same tweet?
It doesn't matter who Asman is, he's quoting a Texans beat reporter. And included audio.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
You need to let go of Darnold.

I'd love for this to be true.  I just don't have any faith that good things can happen to this team.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
It doesn't matter who Asman is, he's quoting a Texans beat reporter. And included audio.
Badger knows how to read posts.  Take note, Libero.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2021, 12:15:14 PM
I'd love for this to be true.  I just don't have any faith that good things can happen to this team.
I've never let you down
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
I've never let you down
Your tank thread let me down.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
Your tank thread let me down.
That was JE...he ruins lives.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 10, 2021, 12:55:29 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.
The overall attitude of realsitic expectations and actual lack of getting good FA history you and Badger have is one I need to adopt so I can avoid losing my excrement when Deshaun Watson and AR go to Miami lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 01:10:01 PM
The overall attitude of realsitic expectations and actual lack of getting good FA history you and Badger have is one I need to adopt so I can avoid losing my excrement when Deshaun Watson and AR go to Miami lol

Shut up! The universe will hear you!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2021, 01:10:29 PM
The overall attitude of realsitic expectations and actual lack of getting good FA history you and Badger have is one I need to adopt so I can avoid losing my excrement when Deshaun Watson and AR go to Miami lol

Start here:

https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5140.0.html
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Miamipuck on February 10, 2021, 01:34:01 PM
I think it was Cane who said on here or YDKF, if you like a QB enough to take them in the 2nd then you can take them in the 1st, no matter where in the 1st.

IMO if you have the luxury of an established but aging QB then taking a flyer in the 2nd is fine but we're not in that situation.

*If* Saleh and Douglas aren't comfortable going into the season with Darnold as the presumptive starter, and nobody better falls into our lap via trade or FA, then they need to identify which prospects they like more than Darnold and take the best one available ASAP.


Christian Hackenberg
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 01:47:25 PM
Christian Hackenberg
None of us know what the regime at the time was thinking when they did that, it's just an example of a bad decision rather than proof that philosophy doesn't work, but just to play along - the Jets would not have been materially worse off had they taken Hack in the 1st instead of Lee.

It's possible they thought they could ride out Fitz for a while longer and develop Hack on the bench. The philosophy doesn't matter if you can't evaluate talent properly.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 10, 2021, 04:30:15 PM
McClain seems to be in bed with the Texans. He said earlier that Watson had a better chance to coach the Texans than get traded. Then he floated an absurd trade offer where the Jets gave up virtually everything.

I didn't listen to the audio, but I assume his reasoning is that the Jets have the most assets, because that's always been what he's been concerned with.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 10, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
McClain seems to be in bed with the Texans. He said earlier that Watson had a better chance to coach the Texans than get traded. Then he floated an absurd trade offer where the Jets gave up virtually everything.

I didn't listen to the audio, but I assume his reasoning is that the Jets have the most assets, because that's always been what he's been concerned with.
I assume it's just based off assets

If im giving up Watson and not getting 1 overall I better be getting 2nd overall at least
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 10, 2021, 05:44:50 PM
I want us to keep Sam this year and then if he doesn't make the jump I believe he can, draft Spencer Rattler next year. I want to see how far Heismanberg's patience can be pushed.

In all seriousness, I can see the logic to your idea. If Saleh and Lafleur want to see what they can do with Sam for a year while the rest of the roster gets a big rebuild, then trading out of #2 to include a first next year gives us serious firepower in the next offseason to either swing for Watson, or trade up to wherever we need to be to get whoever they want. And if Sam does work out, then they have a ton of picks with which to build around him.

I'd love Watson at the Jets, but I'm increasingly nervous that the price to get him will be high enough that it will hamper our ability to fix the other problems.
Horseshit


Quote from: delavan
Trade the #2 pick to the 49ers for their #12, their 1st next year (and maybe a compensation 3rd round pick as well). You're now sitting with five 1st round draft picks for 2021/2022. You can call Houston with a flushed hand and who knows, maybe four 1st rounder does the trick.  If it would take all five 1st rounds picks to get Watson well that's for JD to decide.  One thing's for sure - no one (including Miami) is offering Houston six 1st round picks.  And, Quinnen, Mosely, Maye all stay.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 11, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
S.I. scribe says Jets
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/report-new-york-jets-only-team-houston-texans-will-trade-quarterback-deshaun-watson

Tannenbaum on ESPN says New England
https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/02/nfl-rumors-former-gm-says-the-new-england-patriots-are-the-favorite-to-land-deshaun-watson.html
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2021, 02:05:42 PM
lol Tanny
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2021, 02:18:15 PM
S.I. scribe says Jets
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/report-new-york-jets-only-team-houston-texans-will-trade-quarterback-deshaun-watson

Tannenbaum on ESPN says New England
https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/02/nfl-rumors-former-gm-says-the-new-england-patriots-are-the-favorite-to-land-deshaun-watson.html

The McClain story is the same one from yesterday.

The Tannenbaum story makes no sense. Of course the Patriots would want him and the Caserio connection makes sense, but I'm struggling to see what NE can give them. If Houston want two firsts, two additional picks and two young defensive starters, what are they offering? 21 #15, 21 2nd, 22 1st (late, because Watson on the Patriots means they're probably back in the postseason), 22 2nd, Winovich, maybe Jennings or Uche? That would mean the Patriots not making a pick until the third round - not that that would stop them doing this deal, but I don't love it for Houston.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 11, 2021, 02:44:56 PM
If Caserio trades Watson to New England, they should be investigated for collusion
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 11, 2021, 02:46:21 PM
The McClain story is the same one from yesterday.

The Tannenbaum story makes no sense. Of course the Patriots would want him and the Caserio connection makes sense, but I'm struggling to see what NE can give them. If Houston want two firsts, two additional picks and two young defensive starters, what are they offering? 21 #15, 21 2nd, 22 1st (late, because Watson on the Patriots means they're probably back in the postseason), 22 2nd, Winovich, maybe Jennings or Uche? That would mean the Patriots not making a pick until the third round - not that that would stop them doing this deal, but I don't love it for Houston.

No one is accusing Houston of being competent.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2021, 03:24:23 PM
If Caserio trades Watson to New England, they should be investigated for collusion

Especially if it’s for anything less than the haul of a lifetime
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2021, 03:30:07 PM
If Caserio trades Watson to New England, they should be investigated for collusion

Pretty sure that would be a hard case to make when it concerns a player with a NTC.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 11, 2021, 04:32:16 PM
Pretty sure that would be a hard case to make when it concerns a player with a NTC.

If he thinks Houston sucks, he's really gonna be miserable playing for Belichick.  I think a lot of players have seen Brady leave NE and be much happier and still win.  They know how, despite winning a lot with Brady there, the Patriot Way is miserable.  Why go there when you can win and not be miserable in plenty of places.  I mean, if it was the only place left that would trade for him, he'd go there, but there will be lots of teams offering their first born child to trade for him. 

The Pats probably won't pursue him more than just kicking the tires.  And even if they did, they won't be anywhere close to the best offer.  The Texans have no motivation to take anything other than the best offer unless it's from another team in their division.  There are many teams that can and will offer more.  What motivation would Caserio have to take a worse offer to help another team in the AFC? 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 11, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
Hes not going to NE

The collapse of HOU is rooted in their quest to become Patriots South

Theyve only managed to become Detroit South . Recent hiring of the Detroit altar boy further cements it

Wasting future HOF primes and chasing them out of town (Watt Hopkins Andre Johnson Watson )

I'd be absolutely shocked if he waived his NTC for NE
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 12, 2021, 09:12:20 AM
https://twitter.com/GruntTalksNFL/status/1360216004173983744
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 12, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
https://twitter.com/GruntTalksNFL/status/1360216004173983744

Anyone but an AFC east rival.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 12, 2021, 09:21:25 AM
Sounds like the only way we get Watson is if we are the best offer and he doesn't veto us.  I'm gonna go ahead and put the Watson thing out of my head.  Too many ways it won't happen.

Draft a QB makes sense.  Darnold rerun and loading up picks is 2nd. Honestly as long as we don't trade for a non-Watson QB, I'll live.

Hopefully Doug sees the value in a new, cheap rookie QB contract for 4 more years.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 12, 2021, 09:21:46 AM
I’m fine with him going to the 9ers.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 12, 2021, 09:26:56 AM
Sounds like the only way we get Watson is if we are the best offer and he doesn't veto us.  I'm gonna go ahead and put the Watson thing out of my head.  Too many ways it won't happen.

Yeah, I moved on from the idea of Watson a little while ago. I feel like the only way we get him is by paying a price higher than I would be happy with.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 12, 2021, 09:28:32 AM
Sounds like the only way we get Watson is if we are the best offer and he doesn't veto us.  I'm gonna go ahead and put the Watson thing out of my head.  Too many ways it won't happen.

Draft a QB makes sense.  Darnold rerun and loading up picks is 2nd. Honestly as long as we don't trade for a non-Watson QB, I'll live.

Hopefully Doug sees the value in a new, cheap rookie QB contract for 4 more years.

We're finally on the same page.  Now go fetch us some beef n cheddars.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2021, 09:34:57 AM


Sounds like the only way we get Watson is if we are the best offer and he doesn't veto us.

That's been the case all along.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 12, 2021, 09:41:38 AM

That's been the case all along.
Logic means nothing to me.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on February 12, 2021, 11:00:20 AM
Jeremy Fowler on ESPN said today that Denver and San Fran are Watson's top choices and he'd probably veto a deal to New York.

Jeremy Fowler is also a moron, so there's that.

If it's not coming from McClain who despite his gopher-like appearance and talking in almost a southern wheeze while his eyes remained perpetually shut is very keyed in on the Texans, or someone close to Watson's camp, I tend to think its all noise. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 12, 2021, 11:00:35 AM
Watson is a pipe dream

Let's lube up to Wilson and Lance film now
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 12, 2021, 11:02:29 AM
Watson is a pipe dream

Let's lube up to Wilson and Lance film now


And laugh at Lawrence's pending marriage to Schotty and Sanjaye Lal.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 12, 2021, 11:04:09 AM
And laugh at Lawrence's pending marriage to Schotty and Sanjaye Lal.
Blows my damn mind lol
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on February 12, 2021, 11:23:22 AM
And laugh at Lawrence's pending marriage to Schotty and Sanjaye Lal.

That is unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 07:44:02 AM
“The Jets are Deshaun Watson’s top choice.”

“Miami is Deshaun Watson’s top choice.”

“The Broncos and 49ers are Deshaun Watson’s top choices.”

“The Jets are not a choice. Miami is kind of a choice.”

Maybe we shouldn’t be taking any of these reports seriously this early.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2021, 07:59:18 AM
“The Jets are Deshaun Watson’s top choice.”

“Miami is Deshaun Watson’s top choice.”

“The Broncos and 49ers are Deshaun Watson’s top choices.”

“The Jets are not a choice. Miami is kind of a choice.”

Maybe we shouldn’t be taking any of these reports seriously this early.
Wait a week and I'll be back in the Watson train, ready to buy a jersey.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2021, 08:10:28 AM
“The Jets are Deshaun Watson’s top choice.”

“Miami is Deshaun Watson’s top choice.”

“The Broncos and 49ers are Deshaun Watson’s top choices.”

“The Jets are not a choice. Miami is kind of a choice.”

Maybe we shouldn’t be taking any of these reports seriously this early.
Top choice never mattered anyway. Either we're a choice or not a choice. Choice choice choice.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 08:24:18 AM
Wait a week and I'll be back in the Watson train, ready to buy a jersey.

MB is forbidden to buy a Watson jersey if it happens.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 09:23:44 AM
MB is forbidden to buy a Watson jersey if it happens.
My Holmes jersey is magical
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 09:46:17 AM
My Holmes jersey is magical

In, like, the worst way.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 13, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
Top choice never mattered anyway. Either we're a choice or not a choice. Choice choice choice.

we are a franchise that would be able to pull off a trade for a guy like watson only for watson to veto the deal
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 11:00:07 AM
In, like, the worst way.
Wut...it's 3-0 at metlife stadium

With wins over the Bills, Steelers and Ravens.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 11:26:22 AM
Wut...it's 3-0 at metlife stadium

With wins over the Bills, Steelers and Ravens.

Sorry, I was confusing it with your Leon jersey.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 12:41:35 PM
Sorry, I was confusing it with your Leon jersey.
I dont own a Leon jersey.   You started into the sauce again eh?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 12:57:07 PM
I dont own a Leon jersey.   You started into the sauce again eh?

Who bought a Leon jersey the day he injured himself?

EDIT: it was Smalls.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 01:04:42 PM
Who bought a Leon jersey the day he injured himself?

EDIT: it was Smalls.
Apology accepted
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 13, 2021, 04:53:52 PM
Spoiler alert Watsons choice isn't very important

He's under contract, and if he wants to get out of Houston he's going to have to be flexible on his destination
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 05:14:20 PM
Spoiler alert Watsons choice isn't very important

He's under contract, and if he wants to get out of Houston he's going to have to be flexible on his destination
freak you, Easterby.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2021, 09:23:11 PM
If Lance is their guy, you take him at 2.

That’s fine, I’m just probably not on board with risking the 2 pick on a guy who is raw, didn’t play last year, and only has 1 season of production to his name. Against FCS talent. I would rather take Sewell or a WR and give Darnold another shot with a real team and coach.

Maybe Lance ends up being their guy, but to me that pick would feel like taking a QB just to take one. I know none up us like him, but I would be less surprised if they took Fields there.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 10:39:50 PM
That’s fine, I’m just probably not on board with risking the 2 pick on a guy who is raw, didn’t play last year, and only has 1 season of production to his name. Against FCS talent. I would rather take Sewell or a WR and give Darnold another shot with a real team and coach.

Maybe Lance ends up being their guy, but to me that pick would feel like taking a QB just to take one. I know none up us like him, but I would be less surprised if they took Fields there.
No risk it, no biscuit.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 14, 2021, 08:59:37 AM


Maybe Lance ends up being their guy, but to me that pick would feel like taking a QB just to take one.

Trading down and taking whoever is left is taking a QB just to take one. Taking whoever they think is best at 2 is not that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 14, 2021, 09:12:49 AM

Trading down and taking whoever is left is taking a QB just to take one. Taking whoever they think is best at 2 is not that.

We'll draft Lance at 2 only for him to retire in TC and go back to grad school for an MFA in basket weaving because GTB.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on February 15, 2021, 09:07:32 AM
Apparently Deshaun Watson's first name is actually Derrick.

Seems like this is not a guy you can trust.  Don't want!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 15, 2021, 07:30:04 PM

Trading down and taking whoever is left is taking a QB just to take one. Taking whoever they think is best at 2 is not that.

How are they going to decide Lance is the best, based on how he looks at the combine? I find it extremely hard to believe you can justify selecting him over 2 guys that just put up good seasons on tape.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 15, 2021, 08:13:01 PM
How are they going to decide Lance is the best, based on how he looks at the combine? I find it extremely hard to believe you can justify selecting him over 2 guys that just put up good seasons on tape.
I don't know, but I'm not really making that argument.

I'm just saying if the Jets want to move on from Darnold and they believe any of this year's QB prospects will be better than him, then whoever they think is the best one available should be the pick at 2.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 17, 2021, 08:23:34 AM
Devil's advocate:
Why would the Houston Texans not sit Deshaun Watson and say the following: "Listen, we are the team that drafted you, we are the team that made you the fourth highest paid player in the league, and we have you under contract until after the 2025 season.  We're not trading you and your options are to make more money than anyone in the league save three or...boycott the team and make no money for the next four years."   

Why does a 25 year old kid get to act like he was abused because the team didn't seek his advice on who the new General Manager should be?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2021, 08:34:53 AM
Devil's advocate:
Why would the Houston Texans not sit Deshaun Watson and say the following: "Listen, we are the team that drafted you, we are the team that made you the fourth highest paid player in the league, and we have you under contract until after the 2025 season.  We're not trading you and your options are to make more money than anyone in the league save three or...boycott the team and make no money for the next four years."   

Why does a 25 year old kid get to act like he was abused because the team didn't seek his advice on who the new General Manager should be?
What are the consequences to the Texans?  If he holds out, they have no decent QB and they can't just go out and sign a big name QB because Watson could always change his mind, show up, and blow up their cap. The only way it makes sense is if they are tanking on purpose.

If you are trying to be an NFL team, it's hard to sit on him just to stick to your guns.  It makes so much sense to sell to the highest bidder if there is 100% no chance of him signing back.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 17, 2021, 09:22:21 AM
Devil's advocate:
Why would the Houston Texans not sit Deshaun Watson and say the following: "Listen, we are the team that drafted you, we are the team that made you the fourth highest paid player in the league, and we have you under contract until after the 2025 season.  We're not trading you and your options are to make more money than anyone in the league save three or...boycott the team and make no money for the next four years."   

Why does a 25 year old kid get to act like he was abused because the team didn't seek his advice on who the new General Manager should be?

Seems like this conversation would be a few steps behind the point. I doubt the disappointed dad talk would be particularly effective
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2021, 09:41:41 AM
What are the consequences to the Texans?  If he holds out, they have no decent QB and they can't just go out and sign a big name QB because Watson could always change his mind, show up, and blow up their cap. The only way it makes sense is if they are tanking on purpose.

If you are trying to be an NFL team, it's hard to sit on him just to stick to your guns.  It makes so much sense to sell to the highest bidder if there is 100% no chance of him signing back.


On the flip side the new GM can come in, use it as a rebuilding year (they're fucked anyway, are in cap hell, and have no first round draft) and completely just tank fixing all their cap problems and almost guaranteed at getting the 1st overall pick the following year.

The terribleness of the entirety can be blamed on the previous administration, and suddenly you have a team poised to make a fairly substantial turn around.

And its not like they can't easily just decide to trade him the following year.

Honestly if I were a Texans fan I think unless you get a mountain of gold for Watson, the preferred option would be to just let him stew and embrace the tank.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2021, 11:15:33 AM
On the flip side the new GM can come in, use it as a rebuilding year (they're fucked anyway, are in cap hell, and have no first round draft) and completely just tank fixing all their cap problems and almost guaranteed at getting the 1st overall pick the following year.

The terribleness of the entirety can be blamed on the previous administration, and suddenly you have a team poised to make a fairly substantial turn around.

And its not like they can't easily just decide to trade him the following year.

Honestly if I were a Texans fan I think unless you get a mountain of gold for Watson, the preferred option would be to just let him stew and embrace the tank.

What are the consequences to the Texans?  If he holds out, they have no decent QB and they can't just go out and sign a big name QB because Watson could always change his mind, show up, and blow up their cap. The only way it makes sense is if they are tanking on purpose.

If you are trying to be an NFL team, it's hard to sit on him just to stick to your guns.  It makes so much sense to sell to the highest bidder if there is 100% no chance of him signing back.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2021, 11:16:34 AM


On the flip side I should try reading post before commenting
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2021, 11:17:21 AM
On the flip side I should try reading post before commenting

Don't worry, I'm illiterate too.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2021, 11:26:36 AM
Don't worry, I'm illiterate too.

I'd imagine that's the reason most of us are still come on here

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 17, 2021, 11:41:20 AM
I'd imagine that's the reason most of us are still come on here



I don’t come on here I have Xvideos for that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 17, 2021, 12:39:26 PM
Seems like this conversation would be a few steps behind the point.

I doubt the disappointed dad talk would be particularly effective

  This hardly addresses the post's ("devil's advocate") gist.   
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 17, 2021, 01:17:11 PM

  This hardly addresses the post's ("devil's advocate") gist.   

You had the team sitting down with him for a disappointed dad talk about gis contract and I said that any stance like that is going to fall on deaf ears and is far too late to be effective.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 18, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
You had the team sitting down with him for a disappointed dad talk about gis contract and I said that any stance like that is going to fall on deaf ears and is far too late to be effective.

So "disappointed dad" (an arbitrary designaton) has no rights but should just throw up their hands and accede to the wishes of a player under contract because 'that ship has sailed'?  Houston should consider trying to fleece the Jets, Phins or whomever but they are under no obligation to do so.  Watson wants to act abused and bail on his team, that's his right.  Houston wants to let him sit (his call), that's their right.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 18, 2021, 12:11:13 PM
So we agree that of they choose not to move him then they are at an impasse? Good.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on February 18, 2021, 12:40:32 PM
So we agree that of they choose not to move him then they are at an impasse? Good.

  Yup.  Good.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 19, 2021, 11:05:11 AM
Quote
McClain on what the #Texans would want in return for DeShaun Watson: “They (#Texans) don’t want the 8th (DEN), 9th (CAR), or 12th (SF) pick. They don’t want Garoppolo, Bridgewater or Lock. They want the opportunity to pick the second best QB in the draft.”

oh
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
oh

I feel like someone here said this. Multiple times
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2021, 11:18:31 AM
Boy cried wolf.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 19, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
oh

Sooooo can we just send them #2 and #23, next years #2 and call it a day? K Thanks
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2021, 11:26:02 AM
oh
Don't do this to me
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
it's only February....this will happen another 20x before the draft.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 19, 2021, 11:34:53 AM
oh

Who posted it?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 19, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
Who posted it?

McClain said it on the radio this morning. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2021, 11:35:27 AM
Who posted it?
Art Flato
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 19, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
McClain said it on the radio this morning. 

John?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on February 19, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few championships
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 19, 2021, 12:10:06 PM
John?

Yes, actually
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 19, 2021, 03:04:15 PM
Yes, actually

Oh.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 19, 2021, 03:52:56 PM
I won't believe it till he's doing a  PC next to Joe Douglas
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2021, 03:57:48 PM
I don't think the Jets are making any decisions on any of these things any time soon. Wilson's pro day isn't until the 26th of March, and I find it hard to believe they'd commit to him before the coaching staff have had a chance to meet him and work him out, so if that's their thinking they're not trading Sam until then.

Watson would be such a big trade to make, even if it was only (only!) the #2, #23 and one of next year's firsts, that I can't believe they'd do it until the coaching staff were absolutely convinced that losing three first round picks provided a big enough upgrade over Sam, or Wilson plus two firsts. And I don't think they can make that call until they've spent time with both Sam and Wilson.

We have some pretty levelheaded guys running the team at GM and HC who I think are not disposed towards making the big splash for the sake of it, and an OC whose offensive scheme is predicated upon taking pressure off the QB to make big plays on the spur of the moment. I don't think that any decisions have been taken yet, but I feel like the Watson price makes him less appealing than the alternatives. We know that Watson alone isn't going to elevate a poor roster to any kind of success.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 22, 2021, 07:48:44 PM
SC local ESPN station:

https://twitter.com/ESPNUpstate/status/1363988506868088834?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 23, 2021, 05:33:38 AM
SC local ESPN station:

https://twitter.com/ESPNUpstate/status/1363988506868088834?s=19


What the freak is ESPN Upstate?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2021, 06:06:35 AM
What the freak is ESPN Upstate?
ESPN Downstate's partner.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2021, 06:06:48 AM


SC local ESPN station:

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 23, 2021, 06:18:53 AM



I read that. By why the freak would you call it upstate? Every state has an “upstate” section. Hell I grew up in upstate NY. That’s just freaking weird
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2021, 06:44:39 AM
I read that. By why the freak would you call it upstate? Every state has an “upstate” section. Hell I grew up in upstate NY. That’s just freaking weird
You're not wrong.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2021, 06:59:22 AM
I read that. By why the freak would you call it upstate? Every state has an “upstate” section. Hell I grew up in upstate NY. That’s just freaking weird

I live in upstate America
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2021, 07:07:14 AM
I live in upstate America
But also Downtown Coffee Brown.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 23, 2021, 07:10:06 AM
But also Downtown Coffee Brown.

my bowels agree
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/1365029931055464461?s=20

Quote
DanGrazianoESPN:  Per sources, Texans QB Deshaun Watson met with new Texans head coach David Culley last Friday. In that meeting Watson reiterated that he wants to be traded and told Culley he has no intention of playing for the Texans again. No change from Watson's end. He remains dug in.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 02:15:21 PM
I hope Culley enjoyed being fed that excrement sandwich in person.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 02:15:50 PM
Watson = Jets tanking for Trevor Lawrence.  I refuse to believe in good things.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 02:16:35 PM
Watson = Jets tanking for Trevor Lawrence.  I refuse to believe in good things.

but you said your farts cured cancer
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
They've got to trade him before free agency now, right? 

What an absolute excrement show
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
They've got to trade him before free agency now, right? 

What an absolute excrement show

This was my belief as soon as Watson confirmed he wanted out.  Letting it drag out is sheer lunacy for the Texans.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 02:21:07 PM
This was my belief as soon as Watson confirmed he wanted out.  Letting it drag out is sheer lunacy for the Texans.

Easterby is probably so upset that he hired a black coach now
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 02:22:36 PM
Easterby is probably so upset that he hired a black coach now

I still remember watching Culley's intro presser and him saying how adamant he was that Watson was going nowhere.

"when i took this job, it was on the premise that Deshaun would be our QB"



good night, dumbass.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
They've got to trade him before free agency now, right? 

What an absolute excrement show

I don't think they do. I can see them digging their heels in for the season and making him choose to sit out.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 02:27:59 PM
I don't think they do. I can see them digging their heels in for the season and making him choose to sit out.

A smart GM would cut his losses, get the best pkg you can in a trade, and draft a QB in THIS draft. Next year's draft isn't as good at the QB position.

If the Texans let this drag out into the summer, they're only hurting themselves.  Watson will make back whatever he loses by sitting out, while the Texans fracture their franchise and fanbase.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 02:28:46 PM
A smart GM would

Let me stop you right there.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
A smart GM would cut his losses, get the best pkg you can in a trade, and draft a QB in THIS draft. Next year's draft isn't as good at the QB position.

If the Texans let this drag out into the summer, they're only hurting themselves.  Watson will make back whatever he loses by sitting out, while the Texans fracture their franchise and fanbase.
"Texans give Watson contract extension to 2030 with a massive bonus"
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 02:36:47 PM
I don't think they do. I can see them digging their heels in for the season and making him choose to sit out.

This is a team with absolutely no draft capital and average flexibility with cap space. 

Pending free agents (especially receivers) are going to stay away.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 02:38:05 PM
Let me stop you right there.

I'm aware that isn't what we're dealing with.  I'm just saying what he "should" be doing.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 02:39:39 PM
Houston needs to trade him to the highest bidder and then expect to be the worst team in the NFL in 2021.  Start the rebuild now, not next year. 

That team is going to be an even bigger dumpster fire if they just hold Watson hostage. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 02:42:23 PM
This is a team with absolutely no draft capital and average flexibility with cap space. 

Pending free agents (especially receivers) are going to stay away.

The problem is that you're attempting to use logic and facts to predict what complete lunatics will do. Caserio will do what McNair tells him to, which is whatever Easterby has told McNair he should do.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 02:46:57 PM
but you said your farts cured cancer

Only in the same way that death cures cancer.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Jumbo on February 25, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
I don't understand the point of holding Watson against his will, if he truly doesn't want to play for you just go out and get an awesome trade package (obviously they're incentivized to pretend they still want him, but still).

Easterby and Caseiro were both together in NE, so it could easily be Easterby running the show, and he seems like he easily could be vainglorious enough to just sit on his hands because Watson isn't a good enough loyal Christian for wanting to leave or whatever. But I think even the people who take those positions eventually realize they need to cut their losses; if that's the case, hopefully that occurs to Easterby by the draft where they barely have any picks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 03:09:17 PM
I don't understand the point of holding Watson against his will, if he truly doesn't want to play for you just go out and get an awesome trade package (obviously they're incentivized to pretend they still want him, but still).

Easterby and Caseiro were both together in NE, so it could easily be Easterby running the show, and he seems like he easily could be vainglorious enough to just sit on his hands because Watson isn't a good enough loyal Christian for wanting to leave or whatever. But I think even the people who take those positions eventually realize they need to cut their losses; if that's the case, hopefully that occurs to Easterby by the draft where they barely have any picks.

I can sort of understand not wanting to cave so other players don't get the same idea.  But there comes a point where you have to think of what the situation is now, not what it was.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 03:12:31 PM
Nick Caserio:  The Adam Gase of GMs.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvGRg-lXYAQQyWA?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2021, 03:20:40 PM
The problem is that you're attempting to use logic and facts to predict what complete lunatics will do. Caserio will do what McNair tells him to, which is whatever Easterby has told McNair he should do.

i'm with JE here. we all know what logic dictates in a situation like this.

that situation is a shitshow and they are not operating under logical terms. the fact that there was a whole media shitstorm that made them look horrible and that this is potentially a 25 year old franchise QB theyre giving up adds another layer onto it.

they're not going to give up on their young franchise QB this quickly in such a short period of time, and in their minds watson not forcing a trade out would be saving some face for themselves, as dumb as that thinking is. it's less about what watson may want or what would be best for the franchise's longterm future, and more about what they think about how they think they're perceived, how they feel about themselves, and how they think about themselves. they've been an utter joke and embarrassment to this point, and trading away 25 year old franchise watson now, even if it's the best and smartest thing to do, would be the ultimate embarrassment, and they dont want that lmao.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 03:23:18 PM
i'm with JE here. we all know what logic dictates in a situation like this.

that situation is a shitshow and they are not operating under logical terms. the fact that there was a whole media shitstorm that made them look horrible and that this is potentially a 25 year old franchise QB theyre giving up adds another layer onto it.

they're not going to give up on their young franchise QB this quickly in such a short period of time, and in their minds watson not forcing a trade out would be saving some face for themselves, as dumb as that thinking is. it's less about what watson may want or what would be best for the franchise's longterm future, and more about what they think about how they think they're perceived, how they feel about themselves, and how they think about themselves. they've been an utter joke and embarrassment to this point, and trading away 25 year old franchise watson now, even if it's the best and smartest thing to do, would be the ultimate embarrassment, and they dont want that lmao.

Bottom line:  if Houston wants to play the long game, they're gonna lose.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 03:24:53 PM
Bottom line:  if Houston wants to play the long game, they're gonna lose.

They've already lost. Now they're just choosing what defeat looks like.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 03:28:39 PM
They've already lost. Now they're just choosing what defeat looks like.

They hired Black Richard Dawson to be their HC....so they're really going all in on defeat.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 05:44:21 PM
I can sort of understand not wanting to cave so other players don't get the same idea.  But there comes a point where you have to think of what the situation is now, not what it was.

They would only have to worry about that if they continue to be a complete POS of an organization?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 06:18:59 PM
https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/1365029931055464461?s=20


https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1365042560809467904

Quote
Tom Pelissero: The #Texans remain unwilling to discuss QB Deshaun Watson with other teams, some of whom have resorted to leaving voicemails with trade offers, per sources.

Watson spoke briefly to coach David Culley recently, but the two still haven’t met in person. Houston not budging.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 08:14:33 PM
Houston is just committing to paying too much to being a excrement team. I'm not opposed to this.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on February 25, 2021, 08:32:06 PM
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports "no one believes" Deshaun Watson will be traded.

That's via sources "knee deep" in the situation. Rapsheet appears to be referring to teams that might be interested in acquiring the elite young quarterback. Rapoport also reports the Texans do not view either the start of free agency or the draft as "any sort of deadline." Rapsheet believes the drama will last for a "very, very long time." That is consistent with the established facts, as each side continues to dig in, both out in the open and via leaks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on February 25, 2021, 08:47:26 PM


At some point it will end and Houston will cave. When that happens they are going to take a far inferior offer to what’s on the table right now because so many teams will have moved on
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 25, 2021, 08:50:00 PM
At some point it will end and Houston will cave. When that happens they are going to take a far inferior offer to what’s on the table right now because so many teams will have moved on
It's not just that. If you do it before the draft, you can guarantee the #2 pick in the draft, for instance.

If they trade him in August, you can't guarantee that, and in fact, you're likely getting a late pick because you're getting the 1st-rd pick of the team with Deshaun Watson at QB.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 25, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
The problem is that you're attempting to use logic and facts to predict what complete lunatics will do. Caserio will do what McNair tells him to, which is whatever Easterby has told McNair he should do.
So....

What Jesus tells Easterby?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 09:18:44 PM
So....

What Jesus tells Easterby?

If that is the case then we can definitively stop talking about Watson as a Jet, because I think we all know by now that if there is a god then he and his entire family have no interest in allowing anything good to happen to the Jets.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2021, 11:51:25 PM
It's not just that. If you do it before the draft, you can guarantee the #2 pick in the draft, for instance.

If they trade him in August, you can't guarantee that, and in fact, you're likely getting a late pick because you're getting the 1st-rd pick of the team with Deshaun Watson at QB.

Gonna assume that I already know the answer to this

But why donr teams use conditional trades more to account for this (the uncertainty of future draft picks). I feel like when they're used it's usually by some hit-or-miss measure (ie a player is extended, or isn't crippled)

Ie we will give you next years 1st round pick, and if it's not in the top 20 we will also give you our 2nd round pick?
 
It seems like this is a very simply solution that would reduce uncertainty and risks of trades, especially ones where a significant portion of the value comes from an unknown future draft pick
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on February 26, 2021, 07:15:58 AM


Watson's side may have to be more aggressive with how they approach this than just "I demand a trade" for something to get done
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on February 26, 2021, 07:21:48 AM
Watson's side may have to be more aggressive with how they approach this than just "I demand a trade" for something to get done

I think this will happen.   I expect some fireworks from the Watson camp when FA rolls around in the middle of March.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on February 26, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
Gonna assume that I already know the answer to this

But why donr teams use conditional trades more to account for this (the uncertainty of future draft picks). I feel like when they're used it's usually by some hit-or-miss measure (ie a player is extended, or isn't crippled)

Ie we will give you next years 1st round pick, and if it's not in the top 20 we will also give you our 2nd round pick?
 
It seems like this is a very simply solution that would reduce uncertainty and risks of trades, especially ones where a significant portion of the value comes from an unknown future draft pick
Timeliness in the nfl are short and team growth/player development takes time.  Teams want immediate compensation
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 26, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Watson's side may have to be more aggressive with how they approach this than just "I demand a trade" for something to get done

he can start antonio brown-ing this if he wants to but i don't think he'd ever lower himself to doing that
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 26, 2021, 03:12:45 PM
he can start antonio brown-ing this if he wants to but i don't think he'd ever lower himself to doing that
Bart Scott said he needs to show up and throw the ball out of bounds on slant routes and show them they will get nothing and have to pay him lol

He cited Brandon Marshall literally swatting down passes from Cutler in practice  to get out of DEN
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2021, 03:13:22 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365399865409351686?s=20

Houston cut their center to save some money.  Great idea.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2021, 03:15:48 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365399865409351686?s=20

Houston cut their center to save some money.  Great idea.

Is he any good?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2021, 03:22:47 PM
Is he any good?

62 of 64 possible starts is pretty impressive.  Sounds like he's a pretty average player. 

Never the best idea to create holes just for the sake of change, but that appears to be Easterby/Caserio's strategy so far...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 26, 2021, 04:06:05 PM
Who is the best player below Watson that they can alienate and ship out next?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on February 26, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
Who is the best player below Watson that they can alienate and ship out next?

Laremy Tunsil
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on February 26, 2021, 04:13:51 PM
Who is the best player below Watson that they can alienate and ship out next?
Honey badger... wait
Deandre hopkins... wait
Jj watt... wait
Will fuller... wait
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 26, 2021, 04:49:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1365410339488202752?s=19

Dick chaffing
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 26, 2021, 09:01:28 PM
https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1365395734053466113?s=10
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on February 26, 2021, 09:14:35 PM
https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1365395734053466113?s=10
IDGAF Watson is my fav.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Coach K on February 26, 2021, 10:20:25 PM
I now agree with Bart Scott

theyre literally severing anyone whos of service or functional relationship to Watson as the QB of that team, and the face of the franchise.


even if hes not a Jet, i just dont want him in our division. I do want to see him get out just because this is the most bizarre and shitty ownership and management ive seen in a while.

and were Jets fans, so that should speak volumes .
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on February 27, 2021, 07:49:47 AM
https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1365395734053466113?s=10

More importantly there's a fairly good chance that covid restrictions are still in place, and the opt out for players.

That woukd be a serious weapon for Watson. He can sit out "legally". And there's been talk that if the NFL doesn't offer opt outs Watson could potentially make a legal argument that he should be able to

In otherwords this could get ugly and he's got some legit leverage
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2021, 12:13:52 PM
John McClain from the Houston Chronicle was just on NFL Now basically saying Caserio would be out of his mind if he let's this drag on with Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2021, 12:53:03 PM
John McClain from the Houston Chronicle was just on NFL Now basically saying Caserio would be out of his mind if he let's this drag on with Watson.
There's a difference between "I'm not happy and will hold out", and "I refuse to play for you no matter what".  If you know for a fact he won't play, what advantage is it to let him collect dust for a year? 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2021, 12:56:51 PM
There's a difference between "I'm not happy and will hold out", and "I refuse to play for you no matter what".  If you know for a fact he won't play, what advantage is it to let him collect dust for a year? 

Once Watson starts to throw gas on the fire publicly, Houston will have no choice.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
There's a difference between "I'm not happy and will hold out", and "I refuse to play for you no matter what".  If you know for a fact he won't play, what advantage is it to let him collect dust for a year? 

I guess it depends whether you believe that you can change his mind, or that you have the ability to outlast him.

Everyone is currently trying to apply logic to predict what the Texans will do, but they have already demonstrated that they are running their franchise based in part upon a 2000 year old story about a sky fairy. Logic and faith are often not natural bedfellows; in fact scripture teaches that the adherence to doing what you believe to be right in the face of apparently insurmountable odds is the path to heaven.

I think that this whole business with Easterby is increasingly becoming an unprecedented (to my knowledge) situation. I don't really know what they're going to do, but I suspect it won't be the thing that we would do.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2021, 01:06:25 PM
I guess it depends whether you believe that you can change his mind, or that you have the ability to outlast him.

Everyone is currently trying to apply logic to predict what the Texans will do, but they have already demonstrated that they are running their franchise based in part upon a 2000 year old story about a sky fairy. Logic and faith are often not natural bedfellows; in fact scripture teaches that the adherence to doing what you believe to be right in the face of apparently insurmountable odds is the path to heaven.

I think that this whole business with Easterby is increasingly becoming an unprecedented (to my knowledge) situation. I don't really know what they're going to do, but I suspect it won't be the thing that we would do.

I'm confident Watson won't change his mind.  They've let go of coaches he was comfortable with,  they've moved on from some of their core players (Nuk, Watt, Fuller won't be tagged), the recent front office gymnastics...etc etc.  He's done there. 

Houston "digging in" on a player that wants to leave is retarded.  Get the best deal you can asap.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2021, 01:09:11 PM
I'm confident Watson won't change his mind.  They've let go of coaches he was comfortable with,  they've moved on from some of their core players (Nuk, Watt, Fuller won't be tagged), the recent front office gymnastics...etc etc.  He's done there. 

Houston "digging in" on a player that wants to leave is retarded.  Get the best deal you can asap.

I agree with all of this, but it misses the point of my post. You're still applying a logic scale to what may be to some degree a faith-based decision.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2021, 02:09:38 PM
I guess it depends whether you believe that you can change his mind, or that you have the ability to outlast him.

Everyone is currently trying to apply logic to predict what the Texans will do, but they have already demonstrated that they are running their franchise based in part upon a 2000 year old story about a sky fairy. Logic and faith are often not natural bedfellows; in fact scripture teaches that the adherence to doing what you believe to be right in the face of apparently insurmountable odds is the path to heaven.

I think that this whole business with Easterby is increasingly becoming an unprecedented (to my knowledge) situation. I don't really know what they're going to do, but I suspect it won't be the thing that we would do.
True
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2021, 02:16:59 PM
What if Watson publicly converted to Satanism?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 01, 2021, 02:33:57 PM
What if Watson publicly converted to Satanism?

TRADE THE NEXT THREE DRAFTS FOR HIM!!!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2021, 07:41:51 AM
http://playlikeajet.com/2021/03/nfl-networks-daniel-jeremiah-outlines-his-ideal-draft-strategy-for-jets


Appearing on the Rich Eisen show Monday (full video above), NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah described what he believes the Jets best strategy would be heading into the draft in April:

-Keep calling the Texans about a potential Deshaun Watson deal and do everything possible to land the pro bowl QB if Houston makes him available.

-Spend the next month evaluating everything about the QB prospects to figure out which one makes the most sense for the Jets both on and off the field. This includes pro days, Zoom interviews, etc…. then compare the top choice to Sam Darnold and determine who they feel gives them a better chance going forward.

-Barring a deal for Watson, select BYU QB Zach Wilson, who he says is the best fit for what they are looking to do.

-Instead of looking to deal Darnold for picks, try to use him to move up from #34 into the top 10 with a QB needy team like Carolina or Denver. Use that top ten pick on a OL and #23 on an offensive skill player to give the QB selected at #2 overall the best chance for success.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 02, 2021, 08:45:07 AM
Darnold and 34 for a top 10 pick?

excrement I'm freaking in
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2021, 09:04:09 AM
Darnold and 34 for a top 10 pick?

excrement I'm freaking in

I will say, it might be better having an extra pick in the 2nd or upper 1st than one less pick that is higher.  More bodies gives you more chances at striking gold.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2021, 09:35:05 AM
I will say, it might be better having an extra pick in the 2nd or upper 1st than one less pick that is higher.  More bodies gives you more chances at striking gold.

the 2nd round is our kryptonite
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
the 2nd round is our kryptonite

Joe Douglas might know what he's doing...

Denzel Mims seems like a good pick.

We didn't have a second rounder in 2018 or 2019 because of the Sam Darnold trade. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
Joe Douglas might know what he's doing...

Denzel Mims seems like a good pick.

We didn't have a second rounder in 2018 or 2019 because of the Sam Darnold trade. 

I know...and i'm a believer.  This was a knee-jerk reaction due to being scarred from past drafts.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 02, 2021, 12:18:02 PM
Regardless, the #2 pick gives us a ton of appealing options. If Wilson turns into a top-5 or top-10 quarterback, the ability to get him, and have another three 1sts in the next 2 years, plus an extra pick for Darnold, allows us to rebuild around him relatively quickly. If we trade all the picks for Watson, we have a top-5 quarterback, no questions asked, and we likely haven't mortgaged our future either.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2021, 05:49:23 AM
Darnold and 34 for a top 10 pick?

excrement I'm freaking in

I can’t imagine that’s enough to get into the top 0, but if it is that’s a big win for us. BUT I’d flip DJs script of OL there and playmaker at 23. I’d take one of the big 3 weapons in the top 10 and then at 23 target an interior OL, CB or a trade back. It seems the IOL are falling backwards a bit so we could move down to grab one and recoup some picks. But I still wouldn’t be upset in the slightest to grab Wyatt Davis at 23.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2021, 10:55:44 AM
I can’t imagine that’s enough to get into the top 0, but if it is that’s a big win for us. BUT I’d flip DJs script of OL there and playmaker at 23. I’d take one of the big 3 weapons in the top 10 and then at 23 target an interior OL, CB or a trade back. It seems the IOL are falling backwards a bit so we could move down to grab one and recoup some picks. But I still wouldn’t be upset in the slightest to grab Wyatt Davis at 23.

I suppose it depends on how much of a run on QB's there is early

Especially if Miami ends up trading their pick to a team outside the top 10

If 5 QB's go in the top 8 I don't think it's unfathomable that someone could get desperate with Darnold.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 06:24:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TheBearsWire/status/1367190255728738304?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 04, 2021, 06:54:31 AM
What could be their massive offer?

Obviously a 1/2/3 this year and probably a 1/2 next and a 1 the year after. But they’d need to include some players as well.


Quick check of OTC
Khalil Mack has a dead cap of 11.8 million if moved this year
Robert Quinn had a dead cap of 9.2 million

I’d say the most likely players to be included would be
Kyle fuller and Roquan smith
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 07:14:11 AM
Not sure how no other teams could be willing to give up as much as Chicago

You trade with Chicago and youre fucked when it comes to QB

Even if they offered their two best players and threw in Tribusiky or Foles, I just don't see what Chicago can offer

Unless it's like their 1st round picks for the next 5 years or something ridiculous
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 07:16:01 AM


Unless it's like their 1st round picks for the next 5 years or something ridiculous

This is what I would be concerned about.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 04, 2021, 07:27:44 AM
Not sure how no other teams could be willing to give up as much as Chicago

You trade with Chicago and youre fucked when it comes to QB

Even if they offered their two best players and threw in Tribusiky or Foles, I just don't see what Chicago can offer

Unless it's like their 1st round picks for the next 5 years or something ridiculous

Can only trade picks three years in advance in the NFL.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 07:28:59 AM
Can only trade picks three years in advance in the NFL.
I didn't know that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 07:34:11 AM
I think Douglas will let the Texans come to him regarding Watson if they decide to trade him.  Douglas can sit where he is and take Wilson.  We have the golden ticket (well silver) when it comes to drafting a QB not named Lawrence.  The only way we aren't in the driver's seat is if the Texans are fine taking a QB beyond #2 overall.  No need to negotiate with yourself.  I think Douglas isn't going to go all in on Watson because he's legitimately happy to draft a QB at 2.  It all comes down to how bad the Texans want the best QB not named Lawrence.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 07:55:34 AM
lolBears
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on March 04, 2021, 07:56:17 AM
Apparently that report is mostly bullshit taken from Darlington speculation 2 days ago

https://twitter.com/HashTagWhiteSox/status/1366510019836059654



I dont see how the Bears outbid the Jets simply because of the #2 pick vs #20 pick. They'd have to put together an offer of 5 firsts plus players to beat a reasonable offer from the Jets.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 07:58:48 AM
The Texans are going to want a quick fix at their QB position.  That basically eliminates every team except the Phins and Jets.


The Bears can go kick rocks, they have nothing to offer that can come close.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 08:00:16 AM
Can only trade picks three years in advance in the NFL.

I have no freaking idea what kind of massive deal Chicago could offer then

The entirety of their next 3 drafts?

I imagine that #2 and a second is worth more than all 3 of Chicago's 1st rounders over the 3 drafts
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 08:04:51 AM
The Texans are going to want a quick fix at their QB position.  That basically eliminates every team except the Phins and Jets.


The Bears can go kick rocks, they have nothing to offer that can come close.

Seattle, Dallas, probably San Francisco could certainly be considered viable options.

All have been rumored to be looking to make moves at QB and have short-term solutions that could appeal to Houston.

Obviously other teams could jump in, but I'd wager these are the most attractive
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:09:06 AM
The Texans are going to want a quick fix at their QB position.  That basically eliminates every team except the Phins and Jets.


The Bears can go kick rocks, they have nothing to offer that can come close.

The only thing I could see is if the Texans trade for or sign a veteran QB as their starter and trade Watson for a haul to rebuild from the ground up.  I don't see it happening without them settling for a Trubisky type of player.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:18:41 AM
Seattle, Dallas, probably San Francisco could certainly be considered viable options.

All have been rumored to be looking to make moves at QB and have short-term solutions that could appeal to Houston.

Obviously other teams could jump in, but I'd wager these are the most attractive

SF doesn't offer anything in regards to a QB.  Garappolo stinks.

I'm not sure Dak Prescott's contract stalemate would appeal to the Texans. Considering they just handed out a monster deal to Watson.  For a guy who stares at the salary cap 24/7, i thought you would know this already.

Seattle has no first round picks. They would have to give up significantly more than Russell Wilson for Watson. Considering he's 7 years older.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:21:20 AM
The only thing I could see is if the Texans trade for or sign a veteran QB as their starter and trade Watson for a haul to rebuild from the ground up.  I don't see it happening without them settling for a Trubisky type of player.

If I'm Caserio...i'm looking at pkgs from the Jets and Phins.  They have the draft capital and young QBs to trade back.  In the Jets case (if Darnold isn't their cup of tea), that #2 pick is the crown jewel.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:22:48 AM
Having said all that....I don't think Joe Douglas will be interested. He sounds quite determined to build through the draft (which i'm a fan of). Unless of course, he's lying through his teeth.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 08:30:42 AM
SF doesn't offer anything in regards to a QB.  Garappolo stinks.

I'm not sure Dak Prescott's contract stalemate would appeal to the Texans. Considering they just handed out a monster deal to Watson.  For a guy who stares at the salary cap 24/7, i thought you would know this already.

Seattle has no first round picks. They would have to give up significantly more than Russell Wilson for Watson. Considering he's 7 years older.

Caserio was director of player personnel when new England got Jimmy G, and you know how nepotism works on this league.

And Seattle has other assets and future picks. Weren't people on this board bitching when I said us trading for Russell Wilson is retarded? If the Jets should want him, so should Houston

Sure the Dak thing would be a pain in the derriere for Houston, but they are more than capable of discussing it before agreeing to a trade. On the flip side it gets them a young talented QB. And you could probably get Dallas to throw in some nice assets as well (accounting for Watson being better, and the Texans having to eat some salary cap to make it work)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 08:33:46 AM


If I'm Caserio...i'm looking at pkgs

Nice
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:34:44 AM
Having said all that....I don't think Joe Douglas will be interested. He sounds quite determined to build through the draft (which i'm a fan of). Unless of course, he's lying through his teeth.
I agree.  That's why I think he'll sniff around and if the Texans for some reason are desperate for that #2 pick and offer a steal of a deal.  Then he'll do it.  But he isn't giving up 4 1st rounders for anyone.  He isn't getting in a bidding war with anyone.  He's really got a winning hand either way.  You can trade with him or take the 3rd best QB.  I think in the next few weeks, the narrative will be that there is a big dropoff after Lawrence and Wilson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:36:55 AM
If I'm Caserio...i'm looking at pkgs from the Jets and Phins.  They have the draft capital and young QBs to trade back.  In the Jets case (if Darnold isn't their cup of tea), that #2 pick is the crown jewel.

I guess Atlanta could decide to get in on the game.  Send Matt Ryan as part of the pkg. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 08:39:01 AM
Having said all that....I don't think Joe Douglas will be interested. He sounds quite determined to build through the draft (which i'm a fan of). Unless of course, he's lying through his teeth.

Well this also depends on what we can get for Darnold and how much Houston fancies number 2

JD has made it clear he keeps an open kind to everything

If we can get a 1st for Darnold, that 1st #2, Williams, and say we had to throw in a 2nd to sweeten the pot or something.

That makes this team competitive and still gives him all the flexibility to build throw the draft
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:41:50 AM
Well this also depends on what we can get for Darnold and how much Houston fancies number 2

JD has made it clear he keeps an open kind to everything

If we can get a 1st for Darnold, that 1st #2, Williams, and say we had to throw in a 2nd to sweeten the pot or something.

That makes this team competitive and still gives him all the flexibility to build throw the draft

I can't imagine we could get a straight up 1st rounder for Darnold.  I don't see it without having to give back something.

Please don't give up Q unless it's the only way.

The Texans have a huge decision to make.  Neither is risk-free.  Glad I'm not Caserio.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 08:46:18 AM
I can't imagine we could get a straight up 1st rounder for Darnold.  I don't see it without having to give back something.

Please don't give up Q unless it's the only way.

The Texans have a huge decision to make.  Neither is risk-free.  Glad I'm not Caserio.

Well whatever we get for Darnold is a moot point as if that basically goes directly to Houston the compensation is irrelevant
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:47:42 AM
Caserio was director of player personnel when new England got Jimmy G, and you know how nepotism works on this league.

And Seattle has other assets and future picks. Weren't people on this board bitching when I said us trading for Russell Wilson is retarded? If the Jets should want him, so should Houston

Sure the Dak thing would be a pain in the derriere for Houston, but they are more than capable of discussing it before agreeing to a trade. On the flip side it gets them a young talented QB. And you could probably get Dallas to throw in some nice assets as well (accounting for Watson being better, and the Texans having to eat some salary cap to make it work)

lol Jimmy G

Russell Wilson is a downgrade from Watson.  The Jets should want Russell because he's a upgrade to what we currently have. See how that works?  And no, Seattle's draft cupboard is empty for the next 2 drafts.

Dak is also a downgrade from Watson. 

the reason i'd said the Jets or Phins because they give the texans the best shot to reset at the QB position (contract wise included) for a rebuild...in addition to adding significant draft capital. They make more sense than the teams you mentioned.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:50:39 AM
Well whatever we get for Darnold is a moot point as if that basically goes directly to Houston the compensation is irrelevant

It isn't set in stone that whatever we get for Darnold goes to the Texans.  Even if it does, the more you get for him, the less you have to give otherwise to the Texans.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
I agree.  That's why I think he'll sniff around and if the Texans for some reason are desperate for that #2 pick and offer a steal of a deal.  Then he'll do it.  But he isn't giving up 4 1st rounders for anyone.  He isn't getting in a bidding war with anyone.  He's really got a winning hand either way.  You can trade with him or take the 3rd best QB.  I think in the next few weeks, the narrative will be that there is a big dropoff after Lawrence and Wilson.

Now...if you can land us some Arbys, we'll 100% be on the same page.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:53:36 AM
lol Jimmy G

Russell Wilson is a downgrade from Watson.  The Jets should want Russell because he's a upgrade to what we currently have. See how that works?  And no, Seattle's draft cupboard is empty for the next 2 drafts.

Dak is also a downgrade from Watson. 

the reason i'd said the Jets or Phins because they give the texans the best shot to reset at the QB position (contract wise included) for a rebuild...in addition to adding significant draft capital. They make more sense than the teams you mentioned.



Gase planned it all along for us to end up at 2 so we could get Watson.  Praise be Gase.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:54:13 AM
Gase planned it all along for us to end up at 2 so we could get Watson.  Praise be Gase.

GaseLaserEyesCaserioInTheNuts.bat
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 08:55:20 AM
GaseLaserEyesCaserioInTheNuts.bat

Dang, MB with the Gase script.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
Dang, MB with the Gase script.

same code i used to burn Albania to the ground after they hacked YDKF.  #codeReuse #AlioTaughtMe
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2021, 12:02:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Davidacosta1980/status/1368572654429601793?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2021, 12:32:44 PM
Don't do this to me.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/bab02427b9cf768f8f7f2754333e7abe/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 01:03:20 PM
Think about how much more attractive we'd be to free agents if we got Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:26:05 PM
Has it been discussed here what if the asking price was Becton Williams two 1sts and Darnold (or his trade compensation)?

With the Texans playing Howard at RG a bit, I'd imagine they'd love to have Becton at RT.

They might even have the best OL in the league at that point, certainly the most talented young one.

They'd be setting up whatever QB they draft for some serious success.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2021, 01:27:23 PM
Has it been discussed here what if the asking price was Becton Williams two 1sts and Darnold (or his trade compensation)?

With the Texans playing Howard at RG a bit, I'd imagine they'd love to have Becton at RT.

They might even have the best OL in the league at that point, certainly the most talented young one.

They'd be setting up whatever QB they draft for some serious success.

That would be a horrible trade for the Jets
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2021, 01:30:50 PM
If they do that trade they might as well shoot Watson in the knee cap and elbow when he gets off the plane.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
That would be a horrible trade for the Jets

What if we kept #2 and gave them Seattle's first and one of next years?

Obviously I think trading Becton is retarded, but I'm just thinking realistically of those previous rumors that the Texans wanted two highly talented young players.

And this would only make sense if they for some reason thought Darnold was their dude
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2021, 01:32:47 PM
The only way I'm giving up Becton as part of the deal is if we're keeping #2, which means that we can either use it on Sewell or trade down a spot or two for someone to get Wilson and still take Sewell. And there's no way that the Texans wouldn't rather have #2 than Becton - they've already got a premium tackle, so I'm sure they'd rather have Wilson than bookends.

I would love us to get Watson but there's a price I wouldn't be willing to pay, and I'm sure that Douglas feels the same.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 07, 2021, 01:38:32 PM
I'm just thinking realistically of those previous rumors that the Texans wanted two highly talented young players.


And I wanna freak Angie Dickenson, lets see who gets lucky first.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2021, 01:41:28 PM

And I wanna freak Angie Dickenson, lets see who gets lucky first.

Is there another I'm not aware of who isn't like 90 years old, or are you just going all Big Blocker on us?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:44:06 PM
(https://www.babynamespedia.com/z-media/angie-dickinson/angie-dickinson-1.jpg)

Who wouldn't want that tang more than having Watson on this team
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 07, 2021, 01:44:13 PM
Is there another I'm not aware of who isn't like 90 years old, or are you just going all Big Blocker on us?

Lol, it's a classic Junior Soprano-ism, but Angie in her prime was quite a fox.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 01:45:25 PM
Becton is untouchable. freak you for suggesting it. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Becton is untouchable. freak you for suggesting it. 

I mean there was people suggesting we traded like 7 first round picks for Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 01:47:27 PM
Watson for Bea, straight up.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/22/52/092252b095f51bb8251cbcc4136a6d52.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 01:48:12 PM
I mean there was people suggesting we traded like 7 first round picks for Watson
There's first rounders and then there's Mount Becton.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:48:13 PM
Becton, Williams, Darnold, and #2.

No other picks involved.

Do you do it?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 01:49:20 PM
Becton, Williams, Darnold, and #2.

No other picks involved.

Do you do it?
No.  We'd have no left tackle.  Plus I'm not trading Becton because freak you for saying it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
No.  We'd have no left tackle.  Plus I'm not trading Becton because freak you for saying it.


Did we not sign Fart to play left tackle?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 07, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
Becton, Williams, Darnold, and #2.

No other picks involved.

Do you do it?


If they want #2 above all else, we actually are in a place of negotiating strength and a deal like this actually is more harmful to us IMO than giving away 2, 23 and a 1 next year. Because we already feel really freaking good about Q and Becton, the others are just lottery tickets (albeit really good ones) until we actually have players in hand to work with. Then we are just hoping we can get the kind of production out of those guys that you would Becton and Q.

In addition, we go back to the worst OL in football entering free agency if we give up Becton. That makes it a horrible place to bring in Watson.

My max offer would be 2/23 and Q. But I would rather go 3 1's, 1 each over the next three years and 2 3s spaced out over the 3 years as well.

My hope is we get him for 2/23 2022 2nd round pick because freak the world's hopes and dreams thats why.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2021, 02:27:01 PM
Becton, Williams, Darnold, and #2.

No other picks involved.

Do you do it?


Drown.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 07, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
Stop entertaining dcm's handicap
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 03:08:06 PM
Drown.

Gonna give me that mouth to mouth?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
If they want #2 above all else, we actually are in a place of negotiating strength and a deal like this actually is more harmful to us IMO than giving away 2, 23 and a 1 next year. Because we already feel really freaking good about Q and Becton, the others are just lottery tickets (albeit really good ones) until we actually have players in hand to work with. Then we are just hoping we can get the kind of production out of those guys that you would Becton and Q.

In addition, we go back to the worst OL in football entering free agency if we give up Becton. That makes it a horrible place to bring in Watson.

My max offer would be 2/23 and Q. But I would rather go 3 1's, 1 each over the next three years and 2 3s spaced out over the 3 years as well.

My hope is we get him for 2/23 2022 2nd round pick because freak the world's hopes and dreams thats why.

Sure that's if they want #2

If they don't think any of these QB's are franchise QB's, they're going to go with the best offer on the table.

I'm not suggesting that we trade Becton, but figuring out what's the most we could offer if we got creative
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 07, 2021, 03:13:19 PM
Becton, Williams, Darnold, and #2.

No other picks involved.

Do you do it?

Lol, no.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2021, 04:30:20 PM

And I wanna freak Angie Dickenson, lets see who gets lucky first.
Is there another I'm not aware of who isn't like 90 years old, or are you just going all Big Blocker on us?
Lol, it's a classic Junior Soprano-ism, but Angie in her prime was quite a fox.
I just charitably assumed you meant Angie Everhart.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2021, 04:45:44 PM
I just charitably assumed you meant Angie Everhart.


Take it to the MILF thread please.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 07, 2021, 06:13:04 PM
Did we not sign Fart to play left tackle?

you've probably gone nearly a year without calling him fart. not bad
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
you've probably gone nearly a year without calling him fart. not bad

I was having a hard time holding it in
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 08, 2021, 03:03:00 PM
I just charitably assumed you meant Angie Everhart.

Angie was an absolute stunner.

And she dated someone that didn't break 5'5! Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2021, 12:54:16 PM
Quote
Jim Trotter
@JimTrotter_NFL
 · 44m
Huddle&Flow drops later today with Texans coach David Culley. Based on the conversation, I firmly believe Deshaun Watson will be traded. Culley didn’t explicitly say that, but when using terms like on the roster “right now” & “we want guys who are all in”—writing is on the wall.


stick a fork in the Texans...it's only a matter of time now.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2021, 01:12:23 PM
I'm all fapped out.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2021, 01:16:59 PM
Quote
Kimberley A. Martin
@ByKimberleyA
 · 5m
Q: You’ve said you’re committed to Deshaun Watson. Is Deshaun Watson committed to you guys?

David Culley: “Yes he is.”

Q: How do you know that?

Culley: “He’s a Houston Texan.”



I think we're at the point where Watson needs to say something publicly. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2021, 01:17:24 PM
https://twitter.com/aaronjreiss/status/1370089014670204929?s=19

This sounds different.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Prepare your anus for Watson to hit the market and the Jets not bid seriously.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2021, 03:21:02 PM
Prepare your anus for Watson to hit the market and the Jets not bid seriously.

Then we'll just keep our picks and take Zach Wilson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
Then we'll just keep our picks and take Zach Wilson

Prolly. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 13, 2021, 09:41:36 AM
#CHOICECHOICECHOICE

Mar. 13, 10:30 a.m.

Speaking on FOX 46 in Charlotte, N.C., the Houston Chronicle's John McClain says his best bet is that Watson will end up with the Jets.

"He doesn't want to be here," McClain said. "So they should trade him to avoid an ugly situation in the regular season. I would say he'd go to the Jets for the second overall pick, and the Texans will take BYU quarterback Zach Wilson."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2021, 09:42:50 AM
#CHOICECHOICECHOICE

Mar. 13, 10:30 a.m.

Speaking on FOX 46 in Charlotte, N.C., the Houston Chronicle's John McClain says his best bet is that Watson will end up with the Jets.

"He doesn't want to be here," McClain said. "So they should trade him to avoid an ugly situation in the regular season. I would say he'd go to the Jets for the second overall pick, and the Texans will take BYU quarterback Zach Wilson."

he's been saying this for weeks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2021, 10:02:06 AM
#CHOICECHOICECHOICE

Mar. 13, 10:30 a.m.

Speaking on FOX 46 in Charlotte, N.C., the Houston Chronicle's John McClain says his best bet is that Watson will end up with the Jets.

"He doesn't want to be here," McClain said. "So they should trade him to avoid an ugly situation in the regular season. I would say he'd go to the Jets for the second overall pick, and the Texans will take BYU quarterback Zach Wilson."

I know McClain isn't outright saying all it would take is #2, but that would be the deal of the century for us if we could do exactly that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2021, 10:34:36 AM
I know McClain isn't outright saying all it would take is #2, but that would be the deal of the century for us if we could do exactly that.
They'd have to have a giant boner for Zach Wilson and the Jets would have to play the hardest of hardballs.  Even the Texans aren't that stupid.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2021, 11:49:09 AM
They'd have to have a giant boner for Zach Wilson and the Jets would have to play the hardest of hardballs.  Even the Texans aren't that stupid.
They're currently very stupid
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
They'd have to have a giant boner for Zach Wilson and the Jets would have to play the hardest of hardballs.  Even the Texans aren't that stupid.

I’d also add that we have the media blowing so much smoke up Wilson’s derriere right now that the Texans might (stress the night) be willing to accept less in a trade for Watson to secure Wilson.

For it to actually be for #2 only though the landscape would have to change tremendously. Watson would have to go scorched Earth and do worse than what Jamal did to get out of town. I don’t see that happening.

But if there really is as significant a gap between Wilson and Fields/Lance as I think there is, then we might be able to land Watson for #2, a 1 next year and a couple lower picks somewhere over the next 3 years, mostly likely a pair of 2s
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2021, 01:57:02 AM
Then we'll just keep our picks and take Zach Wilson
And that's our leverage.

The Texans see the writing on the wall. Watson doesn't want to play there. It's really hard to have a quarterback who really doesn't want to be there. That means they have to trade him, and then they'll need a new QB. To draft a QB, they would need a high pick. The Jets have the highest available pick.

The Texans can ask for all of our 1st-round picks. But nobody has the ability to give the #2 pick in this year's draft. Nobody else can deliver Zach Wilson if that's who they want. If they ask for too much, we can try to call their bluff.

If Zach Wilson reaches his upside, and he's just as good as Deshaun Watson, it would be better to build around Wilson on his rookie deal and keep extra 1st-rounders to build around him. You trade for Watson because he is a sure thing. But if the Texans want to ruin our ability to build around him, we can take Wilson and easily build around him.

If a team like the Panthers offers their 1st-round pick each of the next 3 years, is that a much better offer than the #2 pick by itself? The #8 pick, and two potential back-half of the 1st-round draft picks in the future? It's a better offer, but the Panthers' deal can't guarantee a QB for them. We can add one more 1st-round pick to the #2, whether it's this year or next year, and that offer is immediately better IMO.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2021, 07:13:00 AM
And that's our leverage.

The Texans see the writing on the wall. Watson doesn't want to play there. It's really hard to have a quarterback who really doesn't want to be there. That means they have to trade him, and then they'll need a new QB. To draft a QB, they would need a high pick. The Jets have the highest available pick.

The Texans can ask for all of our 1st-round picks. But nobody has the ability to give the #2 pick in this year's draft. Nobody else can deliver Zach Wilson if that's who they want. If they ask for too much, we can try to call their bluff.

If Zach Wilson reaches his upside, and he's just as good as Deshaun Watson, it would be better to build around Wilson on his rookie deal and keep extra 1st-rounders to build around him. You trade for Watson because he is a sure thing. But if the Texans want to ruin our ability to build around him, we can take Wilson and easily build around him.

If a team like the Panthers offers their 1st-round pick each of the next 3 years, is that a much better offer than the #2 pick by itself? The #8 pick, and two potential back-half of the 1st-round draft picks in the future? It's a better offer, but the Panthers' deal can't guarantee a QB for them. We can add one more 1st-round pick to the #2, whether it's this year or next year, and that offer is immediately better IMO.
The other options for the Texans are to get their QB through free agency, a separate trade, or as part of the Watson trade deal with whichever team.  They don't necessarily have to shoot for the moon with a new QB.  Doesn't have to be the 2nd best QB in the draft. 

They could decide to take Tua as part of a trade with the Phins.  If he sucks, they will be near the top of the 2022 draft along with some extra picks from the Phins.  Or he might be their guy if he plays well.  The Texans know that rebuild isn't a 1 year thing.  2021 isn't gonna be pretty no matter what.

If I were them I'd just take the deal with the most value of picks and find a bridge QB for 2021.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2021, 07:44:15 AM
The other options for the Texans are to get their QB through free agency, a separate trade, or as part of the Watson trade deal with whichever team.  They don't necessarily have to shoot for the moon with a new QB.  Doesn't have to be the 2nd best QB in the draft. 

They could decide to take Tua as part of a trade with the Phins.  If he sucks, they will be near the top of the 2022 draft along with some extra picks from the Phins.  Or he might be their guy if he plays well.  The Texans know that rebuild isn't a 1 year thing.  2021 isn't gonna be pretty no matter what.

If I were them I'd just take the deal with the most value of picks and find a bridge QB for 2021.
Their best option is a schmoke and a pancake.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
Texans have made two trades with the AFC east so far this week

Both teams that Caserio has strong ties to
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2021, 08:27:00 AM
https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1371438867392368643?s=19

I don't care too much about these guesses, but this shows that the Dolphins could easily outbid us for Watson.  Does anyone see Big Doug trying to match this?  Texans would get a QB and the 3rd overall pick where they could still get one of the top QBs.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2021, 08:29:40 AM
this shows that the Dolphins could easily outbid us for Watson.  Does anyone see Big Doug trying to match this?  Texans would get a QB and the 3rd overall pick where they could still get one of the top QBs.

...why would the Texans ask for Tua and then take a QB at #3? 

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 08:30:53 AM
https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1371438867392368643?s=19

I don't care too much about these guesses, but this shows that the Dolphins could easily outbid us for Watson.  Does anyone see Big Doug trying to match this?  Texans would get a QB and the 3rd overall pick where they could still get one of the top QBs.


One of the top QBs < your choice of the top remaining QB
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2021, 08:35:18 AM
...why would the Texans ask for Tua and then take a QB at #3?
Fair enough.  Maybe they view him as a bridge QB with a big upside who worst case could allow them to slow the NFL transition of a Fields-type QB who isn't ready to throw out there day 1. They could also trade out of 3 for more assets.  They need picks badly.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2021, 08:37:26 AM
Don't question my GM authoritaaa..
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 08:56:42 AM
...why would the Texans ask for Tua and then take a QB at #3? 



Isn't there a philosophy that a team should draft a QB every year until they get a franchise QB?

If the Jets were the team losing Watson, I would want this team doing everything in its power to hedge its bets to find a replacement franchise QB.

I have zero faith in tua, but if the compensation for him was reasonable (ie he was valued as a 2nd round pick in a Watson trade) I would absolutely want him and to draft a QB as well.

The best man starts, and the other guy is a high upside cost controlled backup.

Sure I'd rather have an experienced vet as the 2nd QB. But the Texans would be having a huge rebuild losing their young franchise QB, best offensive weapon, and the face of their franchise all in the last 2 years.

If i was the Texans I'd be happy to take Tua or Darnold in a potential Watson trade as a sweetener
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2021, 09:42:48 AM
The other options for the Texans are to get their QB through free agency, a separate trade, or as part of the Watson trade deal with whichever team.  They don't necessarily have to shoot for the moon with a new QB.  Doesn't have to be the 2nd best QB in the draft. 

They could decide to take Tua as part of a trade with the Phins.  If he sucks, they will be near the top of the 2022 draft along with some extra picks from the Phins.  Or he might be their guy if he plays well.  The Texans know that rebuild isn't a 1 year thing.  2021 isn't gonna be pretty no matter what.

If I were them I'd just take the deal with the most value of picks and find a bridge QB for 2021.

The Texans could suck and still not end up with a top-3 pick. Look at the Jets. Jets tried to tank for Darnold and got the 6th pick. And we don't know what next year's QB class looks like. It's a disaster if the Texans trade Deshaun Watson and don't get his replacement for this year IMO. The best package of picks will involve the #2 pick or the #3 pick anyway.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 10:28:33 AM
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1371470689065000967?s=21

wut
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 10:39:44 AM
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1371470689065000967?s=21

wut

The Jets defense need more dogs

We can't trade our pregnant one.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 01:20:12 PM
Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
·
1m
I just spoke to Andre Roberts over the phone about joining the Texans and my first question was who is your quarterback? He said “hopefully Deshaun Watson but we’ll see.”
He said he was really looking forward to joining the Texans.



i guess we can add Andre Roberts to the retard pile.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 16, 2021, 04:13:37 PM
Houston signs Tyrod for 1 year $12.5M

That's not backup money

Watson's career in Houston might be ending
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2021, 04:17:46 PM
Houston signs Tyrod for 1 year $12.5M

That's not backup money

Watson's career in Houston might be ending
It's not starter money. It's basically elite backup/shitty starter money, which is what Tyrod is.

Either way, it's a good sign that they brought in someone else who can competently play QB for when they trade Watson to us.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2021, 04:17:58 PM
bears signed andy dalton to a 1year deal, $10 million.

maybe one less team? but that also is one less team to bid on sam.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2021, 04:18:34 PM
Texans signed Turdrod to a 1 year, $12M deal
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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1m
The #Texans are signing QB Tyrod Taylor to an incentive-laden contract, similar to what Cam Newton and Jameis Winston agreed to in recent days, per source. It can be worth up to $12.5 million, but the base value is less than half that. Solid backup money, and more if he plays.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
bears signed andy dalton to a 1year deal, $10 million.

maybe one less team? but that also is one less team to bid on sam.
Yeah, I don't really think a 1-year incentive-laden contract for Andy Dalton is going to prevent Chicago from looking at other QBs if they think they have long-term potential
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2021, 04:23:12 PM
It's not starter money. It's basically elite backup/shitty starter money, which is what Tyrod is.

Either way, it's a good sign that they brought in someone else who can competently play QB for when they trade Watson to us.

It's actually cheaper for them to let Watson sit out the season than it is to trade him, now they have a replacement for him it gives them somewhat more power over the situation. They can run the season with Taylor, see if they can right the ship and Culley can be vaguely competent, if so then Watson's job and contract is waiting for him to come back into the fold next year, if not then they can still trade him for a haul in a world in which the cap hit is far less damaging because the ceiling is $20M higher.

I wouldn't assume that this move is a sign that he's definitely getting traded.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2021, 04:33:09 PM
It's actually cheaper for them to let Watson sit out the season than it is to trade him, now they have a replacement for him it gives them somewhat more power over the situation. They can run the season with Taylor, see if they can right the ship and Culley can be vaguely competent, if so then Watson's job and contract is waiting for him to come back into the fold next year, if not then they can still trade him for a haul in a world in which the cap hit is far less damaging because the ceiling is $20M higher.

I wouldn't assume that this move is a sign that he's definitely getting traded.
I agree, they need insurance regardless. But it's better than them NOT signing a quarterback.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2021, 07:26:07 PM
BahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

TLDW: Watson now doesn't want to play in New York OR Miami. Also, general Michael Lombardi buffoonery.

https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1371943968787689478?s=19 (https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1371943968787689478?s=19)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
BahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

TLDW: Watson now doesn't want to play in New York OR Miami. Also, general Michael Lombardi buffoonery.

https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1371943968787689478?s=19 (https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1371943968787689478?s=19)

Fred Flinstone retard
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2021, 09:11:59 PM
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The Athletic's Michael Lombardi reports that there are rumors that Deshaun Watson doesn't want to play in New York or Miami.
Instead, Watson is rumored to want to play for the Broncos or 49ers, probably because they have more talent on their rosters. Of course, rumors are rumors. If true, Watson is lowering his odds of actually getting traded out of Houston because the Texans wouldn't be in a prime position to draft their next quarterback with Denver or San Francisco's draft picks. Even if Watson is open to being traded anywhere else, the Texans need to be willing to let him go. Thus far, the entire organization has been committed to Watson, going as far as letting trade offers go to their voicemail. There will be plenty of speculation over the next few weeks, but the reality is that a potential Watson deal likely wouldn't go through until just days or minutes before the 2021 NFL Draft.

Rotoworld summary
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on March 16, 2021, 10:32:45 PM

  getting stupider by the minute

  https://twitter.com/isiahcareyFOX26/status/1372018415188250625
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
Had this thought before seeing the possible bombshell above -

We go into the season with Darnold and Watson refuses to play for the Texans. Darnold shits the bed and after 5-6 weeks our FO hits the panic button and trades 4 1sts to Houston who finally gives up Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 16, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
  getting stupider by the minute

  https://twitter.com/isiahcareyFOX26/status/1372018415188250625

I'm calling bullshit, just because of how preposterously self-promoting the lawyer's post is.  I'M A MARINE!  MY DAD WAS A BUTCHER!  DOROTHY BUZBEE IS A SAINT!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 17, 2021, 01:53:07 AM
I definitely don't trust the lawyer.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2021, 05:01:06 AM
https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1372029170486771712?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 17, 2021, 05:38:43 AM
https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1372029170486771712?s=19

No idea what the truth is, but Watsons statement seems a heck of a lot more trustworthy than the lawyers was
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2021, 09:10:33 AM
https://twitter.com/a_g_haubner/status/1372032468774100995?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2021, 01:52:42 PM
https://theathletic.com/2456192/2021/03/16/deshaun-watson-to-panthers-gets-more-intriguing-the-dominoes-started-to-fall-tuesday
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 17, 2021, 01:56:08 PM
Those Panther beat writers are so desperate for clicks and attention 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2021, 02:13:55 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/03/17/deshaun-watson-lawsuit-graphic-details-emerge/

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A lawsuit filed in Harris County against NFL star Deshaun Watson alleges the Houston Texans quarterback “assaulted” a massage therapist at her home “by touching her with his penis.”

The alleged incident occurred on March 30, 2020, according to the lawsuit filed on behalf of a woman identified as Jane Doe. Watson, 25, denied the allegations on Tuesday.

The lawsuit claims Watson repeatedly told the massage therapist to focus on his “groin area,” and the woman began feeling “extremely uncomfortable” after roughly 25 minutes “due to Watson’s comments and behavior.”

The massage therapist believed “Watson wanted a massage for only one reason—sex,” according to the suit.

Watson allegedly tried to direct the woman to his penis several times, and “purposely exposed the tip of his penis” from under a towel he brought, according to the lawsuit, which also says Watson repositioned himself so that he “purposely touched Plaintiff’s hand with the tip of his erect penis.”

Jane Doe, said to be a professionally licensed massage therapist who has operated a business out of her home since 2018, promptly asked Watson to leave her home and began crying, which led to the following alleged comment from Watson.“I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don’t want anyone messing with mine,” Watson allegedly said, a comment the lawsuit claims Jane Doe took as a threat.

Watson, who the lawsuit says first reached out to Doe via Instagram direct messages two days before the alleged incident, apologized with a text message that Doe did not respond to. Doe then received Instagram direct messages from other NFL stars a few weeks later saying she was recommended for a massage by “Big D,” the suit says, which Doe believed referred to Watson.

The suit was first brought to light by Doe’s lawyer Tony Buzbee in an Instagram post.

“As a result of a social media post by a publicity-seeking plaintiff’s lawyer, I recently became aware of a lawsuit that has apparently been filed against me,” Watson wrote Tuesday on Twitter. “I have not yet seen the complaint, but I know this: I Have never treated any woman with anything than the utmost respect. The plaintiff’s lawyer claims that this isn’t about money, but before filing suit he made a baseless six-figure settlement demand, which I quickly rejected. Unlike him, this isn’t about money for me — it’s about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing that.”

Watson, selected No. 12 overall out of Clemson in the 2017 NFL Draft, is a three-time Pro Bowler for the Texans. He signed a four-year, $156 million contract extension in 2020. He has requested a trade from the organization.

Offer a conditional 7th in 2027, Get it done Tanny.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on March 17, 2021, 02:21:08 PM
hey, at least he threw her some extra business for her troubles
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 17, 2021, 02:23:36 PM
That won't look good for him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2021, 05:31:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1372310335919640576?s=20

Uh oh
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1372310335919640576?s=20

Uh oh
Lawyer sounds ghetto as hell.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on March 17, 2021, 09:48:27 PM
and a 5th has sued.

huh, this is interesting. maybe he really is bound for new england after all?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2021, 05:11:16 AM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VeneratedImpoliteAsianlion-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2021, 09:30:01 AM
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1372548014645055488?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2021, 09:31:08 AM
“ the third assault complaint against deshaun watson was just filed online

the allegations are darker than the previous two complaints. this woman alleges in december 2020 watson forced her to perform oral sex on him during a massage session”
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2021, 09:33:42 AM
oof
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2021, 09:38:17 AM
Someone needs to find and delete all of the Watson in a Jets jersey photoshops
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2021, 10:13:46 AM
Plot twist: what if the Texans knew about this already, they were refusing to trade him because their Christian values wouldn't allow them to stiff another team on a load of legal trouble coming down the line, and Easterby and McNair were the good guys all along?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Plot twist: what if the Texans knew about this already, they were refusing to trade him because their Christian values wouldn't allow them to stiff another team on a load of legal trouble coming down the line, and Easterby and McNair were the good guys all along?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210318/ab6b07314b2b4973d0c6f9529dfda01e.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2021, 10:47:59 AM
Plot twist: what if the Texans knew about this already, they were refusing to trade him because their Christian values wouldn't allow them to stiff another team on a load of legal trouble coming down the line, and Easterby and McNair were the good guys all along?

I think they knew the whole time and were keeping it under-wraps until things became irreparable. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 10:51:51 AM
Likeliest case: both sides are assholes.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
I think they knew the whole time and were keeping it under-wraps until things became irreparable. 

Taking that line of thinking a step further - any trade couldn't actually complete until today. If the Texans had agreed a trade prior to today it would have given the buying team time to do a bunch of extra diligence, and maybe uncover this. By refusing calls and not agreeing a deal there's no motivation for any other team to do that work, especially given there was no prior indication of character issues with Watson; what if they were sitting on this knowledge, waiting for trades to be officially open for completion, and then planning to do a fast deal and get paperwork completed before the lawyers had a chance to go public with the suits?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 18, 2021, 11:15:26 AM
There was rumor that if Casserio did a deal it would be very fast and most people wouldn’t even see it coming...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2021, 02:00:14 PM
Plot twist: what if the Texans knew about this already, they were refusing to trade him because their Christian values wouldn't allow them to stiff another team on a load of legal trouble coming down the line, and Easterby and McNair were the good guys all along?
The Texans tanked for our sins
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 02:20:55 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/03/18/who-is-tony-buzbee-the-lawyer-going-after-deshaun-watson/amp/

This lawyer has extreme conflict of interest and credibility issues when it comes to this lawsuit

I'm shocked that his credibility issues haven't been a bigger topic in all of this
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 02:22:55 PM
The lawyer can be a POS and the women can still be telling the truth at the same time.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 02:23:53 PM
Key parts

Buzbee has previously gone billboard-big, too. According to his Instagram, in 2014 Buzbee put 10 billboards up around Houston with the message, “Keep Johnny football in Texas!” trying to get the Texans to draft Manziel, the former Texas A&M star and Heisman Trophy winner.

“… I put up 10 billboards up around Houston asking my neighbor Mr. McNair [former Texans owner Bob McNair] to draft the greatest college football player ever,” Buzbee wrote in the caption. “Obviously, it didn’t happen.”
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 02:28:23 PM
The lawyer can be a POS and the women can still be telling the truth at the same time.

Sure they could be

But considering the timing of this, the lawyers history of attempting to influence the Texans QB situation, and his relationship with the McNairs. Makes me more likely to not believe them.

Especially since many of the accusations seem to be vague and nonspecific (ie it wasn't he pinned me down, it was he made me feel uncomfortable, or wiggled his penis towards me)

There's way too much smoke here to not be highly suspicious of everything
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2021, 02:29:06 PM
The lawyer can be a POS and the women can still be telling the truth at the same time.

dcm would never believe a victim
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
dcm would never believe a victim

Sorry for defending the young African American gentleman who is getting attacked by the White Republican Trumper who is friends with the owners of the organization that Watson has been highly critical of
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2021, 02:46:08 PM
jesus h christ
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2021, 02:49:24 PM
dcm champion of young black men
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 02:52:36 PM
jesus h christ

If all the Cuomo allegations were led by Rudy Giuliani would you be casting serious doubts over the victims?

This guy has an outrageous conflict of interest. That's absolutely undeniable.

You act like it's inhumane to not believe the victims, well Watson might just be the real victim in this case.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 03:02:29 PM
If all the Cuomo allegations were led by Rudy Giuliani would you be casting serious doubts over the victims?

This guy has an outrageous conflict of interest. That's absolutely undeniable.

You act like it's inhumane to not believe the victims, well Watson might just be the real victim in this case.

No.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
Dr Seuss
Mr Potato Head
Deshaun Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 03:16:48 PM
Yes. Those are all, to the exact same extent, victims of "cancel culture".
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on March 18, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
Well at least we didn't trade for him, that would have been the most Jets thing ever.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 04:05:16 PM
Well at least we didn't trade for him, that would have been the most Jets thing ever.

Only thing that could have topped Sanchez trying to pick up a 17 year old.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2021, 04:24:28 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1372659903979003912?s=20

welp
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2021, 04:46:42 PM
Well, at least we no longer need to stress about finding a way to get him.

So it's down to draft Wilson or one more ride with Sam.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on March 18, 2021, 04:47:56 PM
Well, at least we no longer need to stress about finding a way to get him.

So it's down to draft Wilson.

FYP
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2021, 04:48:21 PM
Just don't draft Justin Fields
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2021, 04:54:40 PM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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With a third civil lawsuit filed against Texans’ QB Deshaun Watson, an NFL official said today that, “The matter is under review of the personal conduct policy.”



good night, sweet prince.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 05:15:52 PM
#2 and Darnold

I mean we signed Vick and he killed bitches
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 18, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
I don't want to go full DCM here, but I'm getting some Michael Avenatti vibes. Lawyer who loves promoting himself on social media. Ran Trump fundraisers. Neighbor of Bob McNair and a Texans fan. Now all of a sudden, Deshaun Watson wants out, and now he's a serial sexual deviant?

Maybe everything was swept under the rug when he was there, and things are being brought to light now that they don't have a reason to hide things. Or maybe now that Watson is leaving, they're finding a way to smear his name on the way out and make the fans less angry that they're moving on from Watson.

Odds are, nothing will happen to him in terms of his NFL career, because it's hard to prove these things, and if they can't prove these things happen, teams will look past it. We will find out. If the allegations are true, obviously he should be punished accordingly.

Some stuff on Buzbee.
https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1372529421534568452
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/28/police-woman-ruined-300k-worth-of-art-on-date-with-lawyer/
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20582979
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Outgoing-DA-dismisses-DWI-for-prominent-lawyer-10806684.php
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 05:22:52 PM
Well, at least we no longer need to stress about finding a way to get him.

So it's down to draft Wilson or one more ride with Sam.
I'm still hoping for Trey Lance.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2021, 05:23:26 PM
Poor Texans.  They go from worst-case having a huge trade windfall to possibly getting nothing.  I mean, freak 'em, I don't care, but sucks for their fans.  Caserio has to be wondering why God hates him.  It's because he was a Pat.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 05:24:08 PM
I don't want to go full DCM here, but I'm getting some Michael Avenatti vibes. Lawyer who loves promoting himself on social media. Ran Trump fundraisers. Neighbor of Bob McNair and a Texans fan. Now all of a sudden, Deshaun Watson wants out, and now he's a serial sexual deviant?

Maybe everything was swept under the rug when he was there, and things are being brought to light now that they don't have a reason to hide things. Or maybe now that Watson is leaving, they're finding a way to smear his name on the way out and make the fans less angry that they're moving on from Watson.

Odds are, nothing will happen to him in terms of his NFL career, because it's hard to prove these things, and if they can't prove these things happen, teams will look past it. We will find out. If the allegations are true, obviously he should be punished accordingly.

Some stuff on Buzbee.
https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1372529421534568452
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/28/police-woman-ruined-300k-worth-of-art-on-date-with-lawyer/
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20582979
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Outgoing-DA-dismisses-DWI-for-prominent-lawyer-10806684.php
The lawyer being a scumbag is not a reason to disbelieve the victims.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2021, 05:30:26 PM
The lawyer being a scumbag is not a reason to disbelieve the victims.

I agree with this....but...these people could be trying to extort Watson too. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 05:31:35 PM
Why even bother with the first four words?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
Why even bother with the first four words?

Because there are always 2 sides to a story.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
One thing's for sure.  We need to cut Crowder.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2021, 05:33:50 PM
One thing's for sure.  We need to cut Crowder.

And we need to fire Douglas because he didn't sign enough gords in the last 24 hours
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 05:34:21 PM
Poor Texans.  They go from worst-case having a huge trade windfall to possibly getting nothing.  I mean, freak 'em, I don't care, but sucks for their fans.  Caserio has to be wondering why God hates him.  It's because he was a Pat.


I mean he's a 25 year old franchise QB. There's not gonna be getting nothing. Maybe they dump him for a lesser value, but I think first and foremost I think this drastically raises the probability Watson remains a Texan (how much idfk).

I also think this potentially opens the door to Watson to the Patriots
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
I mean he's a 25 year old franchise QB. There's not gonna be getting nothing. Maybe they dump him for a lesser value, but I think first and foremost I think this drastically raises the probability Watson remains a Texan (how much idfk).

I also think this potentially opens the door to Watson to the Patriots
If he did all this excrement, he's out of the league.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2021, 05:38:26 PM
If he did all this excrement, he's out of the league.

this
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 18, 2021, 05:38:38 PM
The lawyer being a scumbag is not a reason to disbelieve the victims.
Do you admit the timing and the lawyer are sketchy? It wouldn't be the first time people made up charges to try to bring down a successful young black man.

It also wouldn't be the first time someone who appeared to be a high-quality person on and off the field turned out to be a horrible person, and they did a great job hiding it.

I'm just letting it play out.

I still think the end result is that nothing happens to Watson's career. Even if he did it, it's hard to prove, and if they can't prove it, someone will give him a chance and they'll act like it didn't happen.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
If he did all this excrement, he's out of the league.

Maybe, but I think it depends.

I've only read the first 3 allegations (I don't know if the details of the rest are out there)

The first two sound like worst case scenario he gets sued for some money and nothing else. I don't think they would have any impact on him being out of the league, and at the absolute most would have a short suspension.

The 3rd one things get dicey. But some of the language (plus the lawyers history) makes me wonder.

 
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In what is the most graphic allegation of the three civil filings from Buzbee, the third suit claims the massage therapist, who now lives in Oregon, was coerced and intimidated by Watson to “move her mouth towards his penis, forcing Plaintiff to perform oral sex on him. Plaintiff did not consent to any of this conduct. Plaintiff blacked out for a few minutes from the fear.”

Now I don't know if that's legal jargon, or more likely a lawyer trying to sensationalize excrement to win his case.

But I'd imagine there's a world of difference from forcing someone to do something and "coercing and intimidating" them whatever the freak that means
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2021, 06:05:46 PM


But I'd imagine there's a world of difference from forcing someone to do something and "coercing and intimidating" them whatever the freak that means

lol what is consent
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 18, 2021, 07:35:21 PM
Only thing that could have topped Sanchez trying to pick up a 17 year old.

wasn't the actual story that he fvcked her and had her nudes

there was also that vine where he was hanging out with two obvious teenagers in their kitchen and then exposed his derriere

what a scummy POS
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2021, 07:47:18 PM
wasn't the actual story that he fvcked her and had her nudes

there was also that vine where he was hanging out with two obvious teenagers in their kitchen and then exposed his derriere

what a scummy POS
I don't remember the specifics but I definitely remember stories about him texting her on weekdays at 2 AM and her saying she couldn't hang because she had school the next day.

How the freak do you think even flirting with someone still in high school is a good idea?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 10:48:55 AM
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HOUSTON -- Four more civil lawsuits have been filed against Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, alleging similar inappropriate conduct and sexual assault to the previous three that had been filed.

This brings the total to seven lawsuits filed against Watson by Houston attorney Tony Buzbee, who has said on Instagram that there are nine total cases against Watson. Buzbee told ESPN on Thursday via text message that his office has been in contact with police and that he would provide information to the police about all nine of the women who intended to sue Watson.

Houston police declined to comment to ESPN whether they're investigating the matter. A spokesman for the Harris County district attorney's office told ESPN on Thursday that nobody from any law enforcement agency has provided information to the D.A.'s office about the allegations involving Watson.

Buzbee will address the media in Houston on Friday afternoon, where he says he will provide some background to the seven lawsuits that have been filed and provide copies of multiple texts and messages relating to the suits.

After the announcement of the first lawsuit by Buzbee on Tuesday, Watson responded on Twitter by saying he rejected "a baseless six-figure settlement demand" and that this is "about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing that." At the time of his statement, Watson said he had not seen the first lawsuit.

"I have never treated any woman with anything other than the utmost respect," Watson said in his statement.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy on Thursday said "the matter is under review" of the league's personal conduct policy, and the Texans said they would stay in close contact with the NFL during the league's investigation.

All seven cases filed so far show a pattern of sexual assault against a massage therapist. While six of the lawsuits allege these were a one-time encounter with Watson, one complaint alleges she was sexually assaulted by Watson on multiple occasions. That lawsuit says the first massage was booked through the spa where the licensed esthetician worked. The other six lawsuits allege Watson first inquired about the massage through Instagram direct messages.

Three of the four lawsuits filed Thursday night accuse him of inappropriate contact; the fourth says he forcibly tried to kiss a woman.

"Watson's behavior is part of a disturbing pattern of preying on vulnerable women," the fourth lawsuit reads.

The Texans on Thursday again stated they are aware of the matter.

"The NFL informed us [Thursday] that they will conduct an investigation into the allegations made in the civil lawsuits filed against Deshaun Watson," the team said. "We will stay in close contact with the league as they do. We continue to take this and all matters involving anyone within the Houston Texans organization seriously. We do not anticipate making any additional statements until the NFL's investigation concludes."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/19/deshaun-watson-text-message-des-lawsuit-sexual-assault-massage/
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2021, 11:35:14 AM
Quote
David Mulugheta
@DavidMulugheta
 · 5m
Sexual assault is real. Victims should be heard, offenders prosecuted.

Individuals fabricate stories in pursuit of financial gain often. Their victims should be heard, and those offenders also prosecuted.

I simply hope we keep this same energy with the truth.

Watson's agent
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2021, 11:36:07 AM
Watson's agent
Nik Wallenda over here
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
Watson's agent

Financial gain?  Aren't they asking for the bare minimum? 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2021, 11:44:15 AM
Financial gain?  Aren't they asking for the bare minimum? 

no idea.

All i know is...his agent turned off responses to his tweet.  So we'll never know.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2021, 11:46:00 AM
Well, if none of these things ever happened, it's hard to think of another motivation as to why they would make up these stories other than financial gain in some way, whether that's Watson paying them or the lawyer paying them. If Watson is truly innocent, what would the motivation be in these women making up allegations? And obviously the lawyer is going to argue he's innocent.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 19, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
My new ill-informed guess is that Watson probably did some inappropriate excrement that would have otherwise been swept under the rug but Christian David Miscavige at the Texans is bankrolling these lawsuits for smear purposes. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2021, 12:37:02 PM
My new ill-informed guess is that Watson probably did some inappropriate excrement that would have otherwise been swept under the rug but Christian David Miscavige at the Texans is bankrolling these lawsuits for smear purposes.
What do the Texans get out of it?  If he gets convicted, they can't keep him and also get nothing in a trade. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2021, 12:54:01 PM
What do the Texans get out of it?  If he gets convicted, they can't keep him and also get nothing in a trade. 
The satisfaction that Watson wasn't able to push them around and get what he wanted without consequence. But you're not wrong.

I don't like speculating on these things. There are a lot of sketchy things about the timing and the lawyer, and the text messages that were released didn't exactly reveal anything. But I also think women should feel comfortable exposing people when they deserve it, and when they decide to go public with it should be whenever they are comfortable.

It does complicate a trade. Obviously, if he's guilty, none of this should matter, and he shouldn't play. If he's innocent, it's a shame this is happening to smear his character. This might not get resolved for a while, so are the Texans just going to keep him through this? That doesn't seem realistic. Is a team going to trade for him during this? They might be able to get away with giving up less in a trade, but if Watson is guilty, then trading for him is a horrible idea, regardless of the cost.
https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1372951462100238342
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 19, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
What do the Texans get out of it?  If he gets convicted, they can't keep him and also get nothing in a trade. 

From what I've been able to glean from the situation, Jack Easterby is a vindictive, power-hungry dude who makes decisions based on what God tells him to do, not what is sensible or good for the Texans.  DeShaun Watson besmirched his name and that calls for a smitin'.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Laxin on March 19, 2021, 01:21:16 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/m8jjf2/full_texts_of_the_4th_5th_6th_and_7th_lawsuits/

Just read the TLDR someone commented... but yikes.

He's probably finished in the league. That 7th one...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2021, 01:24:11 PM
Ugh. Man. I probably should have realized it would go down this path, but that is not good.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
What do the Texans get out of it?  If he gets convicted, they can't keep him and also get nothing in a trade. 

Point of note: as far as I understand it these are all civil suits, so there is no "convicted". It's a lower burden of proof in civil court (preponderance of evidence rather than beyond reasonable of doubt) and as far as I'm aware the only penalty that can be levied is financial compensation. So it's not like he's going to be a felon and there will be anything tangible on which to base any suspension or disciplinary action.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2021, 02:15:48 PM
Robert Kraft's QB
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2021, 02:17:01 PM
Point of note: as far as I understand it these are all civil suits, so there is no "convicted". It's a lower burden of proof in civil court (preponderance of evidence rather than beyond reasonable of doubt) and as far as I'm aware the only penalty that can be levied is financial compensation. So it's not like he's going to be a felon and there will be anything tangible on which to base any suspension or disciplinary action.

I mean this is a league that blackballed a player for kneeling during the anthem.

Lets hope they get this one right...for once. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2021, 02:20:23 PM
I mean this is a league that blackballed a player for kneeling during the anthem.

Lets hope they get this one right...for once. 

It's going to be really challenging for them. On the one hand you're absolutely right in what you said the other day about the world and the league being very different to how it was ten years ago when Roethlisberger was raping girls in bathrooms, but if Watson gets any kind of serious punishment then the narrative of the white QB getting four games for multiple rapes and the black QB getting more punishment for arguably less serious offenses is definitely going to be a thing.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 19, 2021, 02:43:13 PM
It's going to be really challenging for them. On the one hand you're absolutely right in what you said the other day about the world and the league being very different to how it was ten years ago when Roethlisberger was raping girls in bathrooms, but if Watson gets any kind of serious punishment then the narrative of the white QB getting four games for multiple rapes and the black QB getting more punishment for arguably less serious offenses is definitely going to be a thing.

The conduct policy might get him. It leaves a lot open to the commissioner. Relevant is on page 5:

Quote
Discipline – A player violates this policy when he has a disposition of a criminal proceeding (as defined), or if the league’s investigation demonstrates that he engaged in conduct prohibited by the Personal Conduct Policy. In cases where a player is not charged with a crime, or is charged but not convicted, he may still be found to have violated the Policy if the credible evidence establishes that he engaged in conduct prohibited by this Personal Conduct Policy.

https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf (https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 02:48:28 PM
https://twitter.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/1372996061447458816?s=21

Ok maybe he did it
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 03:08:30 PM
Texans traded for Ryan Finley

RIP Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2021, 03:12:21 PM
Quote
Buzbee said that one of the masseuses was referred to Watson by a member of the Texans organization and another by his private quarterback coach Quincy Avery. He added that one of the accusations against Watson concerns an incident in the last month and that it happened after Watson was aware of the allegations being made against him.

Damn man, just rub it out before you go.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2021, 03:17:27 PM
The conduct policy might get him. It leaves a lot open to the commissioner. Relevant is on page 5:

https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf (https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf)

Yes of course, but as we already know that's an entirely discretionary process which results in punishments ranging from a four game suspension for multiple rapes to a four game suspension for destroying a mobile phone.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2021, 03:19:20 PM
maybe Darnold's trade market will heat up.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
Trade Darnold to the Texans for their 2022 1st-round pick. Profit.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 04:08:18 PM
https://twitter.com/gifdsports/status/1372997349983846403?s=21

Ruh roh
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 04:20:18 PM
This dude is done. You can’t get 22 women to lie, go on record, and provide receipts.

Innocent until proven guilty and these circumstances remain sketchy as freak, but holy excrement.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
This dude is done. You can’t get 22 women to lie, go on record, and provide receipts.

Innocent until proven guilty and these circumstances remain sketchy as freak, but holy excrement.
Yep. Hard to imagine this many women are lying about this.

Unless you're new Jets special teams ace Justin Hardee.
https://twitter.com/jhardee_19/status/1373025044125913091
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
Yep. Hard to imagine this many women are lying about this.

Unless you're new Jets special teams ace Justin Hardee.
https://twitter.com/jhardee_19/status/1373025044125913091
I'm also wondering how he managed to do this to 20 different women if true. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
/thread

All join the Zach Attack!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 06:04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/houstonpolice/status/1373043588431548416?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2021, 06:42:56 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I was completely and entirely wrong on this one.

Also the lawyer is worth almost a billion dollars, so it's an safe assumption he is not doing this for financial gain.

He could still be motivated by his biaseses in regards to the Texans and it's owners. And Watson should be treated as innocent until proven otherwise. But this looks extremely bad.

Also I imagine the value of our first rounder just went up because of this. That's the real important message here

Definitely gonna eat crow on this one though
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 19, 2021, 07:33:52 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I was completely and entirely wrong on this one.

Also the lawyer is worth almost a billion dollars, so it's an safe assumption he is not doing this for financial gain.

He could still be motivated by his biaseses in regards to the Texans and it's owners. And Watson should be treated as innocent until proven otherwise. But this looks extremely bad.

Also I imagine the value of our first rounder just went up because of this. That's the real important message here

Definitely gonna eat crow on this one though

Mods please pin this post.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on March 19, 2021, 09:18:16 PM
the texans were steadfast that they would not trade deshaun, and god damnit theyre right about that.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2021, 09:32:27 PM
Assuming he does not go to prison.

Is it cut and dry he never plays in the league again?

Or do the Texans seriously contemplate turning him into a reclamation project?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 19, 2021, 09:40:40 PM
Assuming he does not go to prison.

Is it cut and dry he never plays in the league again?

Or do the Texans seriously contemplate turning him into a reclamation project?
Given that he's only facing civil charges, he cannot go to prison.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2021, 09:55:16 PM
Given that he's only facing civil charges, he cannot go to prison.

He's only facing civil charges at this time, no?

Wasn't there some bullshit about going to HPD
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 19, 2021, 10:20:48 PM

Also I imagine the value of our first rounder just went up because of this.

How? I’d love the reasoning here
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2021, 10:22:23 PM
How? I’d love the reasoning here
Stonks
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2021, 10:47:12 PM
How? I’d love the reasoning here

?

Zach Wilson wants to be remembered as one of the nice ones
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2021, 10:55:08 PM
How? I’d love the reasoning here

Odds were Watson was going to get traded
Presumably to a team with significant draft assets, that needed a QB

Now I'd imagine it's highly unlikely Watson gets traded before the draft, so you will have at least one extra team who needs a QB than if Watson was available on the trade market.

Not to mention, there's a decent chance thst this also makes the Texans need a QB at this point as well (even if they likely wouldn't be trading up for one, they'd still be taking from the supply of free agents/trade options)

Basically less supply and the same if not slightly more demand

I suppose this also potentially opens the Texans up as a legit Darnold trade candidate. They won't have the assets to get a 1st round QB, the fa market may be dried up at this point , and Darnold gives them a year while they sort out Watson drama.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 19, 2021, 11:01:07 PM
I fully disagree potato head.

Watson was only going to one of two spots Miami or the Jets. No one else had the capital to make a move. Miami isn’t trading for 2 and we already own 2.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2021, 11:09:57 PM
I fully disagree potato head.

Watson was only going to one of two spots Miami or the Jets. No one else had the capital to make a move. Miami isn’t trading for 2 and we already own 2.

Pretty sure every single report out there said the Panthers wanted him more than any team in the league

I think it's unreasonable to count them out. And gambling odds had the broncos close to or exceeding the Jets as well
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2021, 11:13:30 PM
Miami trading for Watson probably would have raised the value of our pick more than any other scenario

But that also would have meant Miami having Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2021, 12:43:29 AM
Pretty sure every single report out there said the Panthers wanted him more than any team in the league

I think it's unreasonable to count them out. And gambling odds had the broncos close to or exceeding the Jets as well
Putting aside the legal issues, if you're the Texans, and you got the #8 pick and two future 1sts from the Panthers, are you able to get a franchise QB with any of those picks? The top 4 this year are all likely gone. So you'd have to trade up for likely your 3rd option. And to trade up from 8 to 2, for instance, they would have to give up one of those future 1sts and then additional value on top of that.

So basically, the #2 pick the Jets have is almost as valuable as the Panthers' next 3 first-round picks combined, once you assume that the Panthers' picks are likely late 1st-rounders because they would have Deshaun Watson.

That said, the legal issues make the Watson race a lot more wide open. The Texans don't have as much leverage because I assume some teams would not want to deal with that for good reason. So if the Jets and Dolphins would rather just go with Wilson and Tua than deal with the Watson headache, a lot of other teams now realistically enter the mix.

I'll still believe his NFL career is done when I see it. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2021, 01:51:06 AM
Putting aside the legal issues, if you're the Texans, and you got the #8 pick and two future 1sts from the Panthers, are you able to get a franchise QB with any of those picks? The top 4 this year are all likely gone. So you'd have to trade up for likely your 3rd option. And to trade up from 8 to 2, for instance, they would have to give up one of those future 1sts and then additional value on top of that.

So basically, the #2 pick the Jets have is almost as valuable as the Panthers' next 3 first-round picks combined, once you assume that the Panthers' picks are likely late 1st-rounders because they would have Deshaun Watson.

That said, the legal issues make the Watson race a lot more wide open. The Texans don't have as much leverage because I assume some teams would not want to deal with that for good reason. So if the Jets and Dolphins would rather just go with Wilson and Tua than deal with the Watson headache, a lot of other teams now realistically enter the mix.

I'll still believe his NFL career is done when I see it. 

The Panthers 1sts aren't worth as much, but I was under the impression they'd be including some of their best players as well. It's the only way they'd be able to stay competitive in the bidding

Look at the rumored bears offers for Wilson. I'd imagine compensation would be comparable for Watson (pre this). Wasn't McCaffrey on the table, with the potential for another player go be added to that package?

Trading up to 2 could be expensive, especially since our QB situation isn't settled. But I think #3 would be open for business to basically anyone.

And If #3 is open for business, that means teams would have to trade up to #2 to guarantee their guy.

It's an interesting point about teams gambling on Watson though, but I can't see anyone dipping into that can of worms
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2021, 08:46:05 AM
Man, this lawyer sounds so sketchy  Here is his quote about whether he is colluding with the Texans:

Quote
“I need to dispel some silly rumors,” Buzbee said. “Yes, I live on River Oaks Boulevard and I live near the McNair family. I don’t know the McNair family. I wouldn’t recognize Cal or Hal or whatever his name is if I saw him on the street. This case has nothing to do with the Texans. Has nothing to do with free agency, the timing, I don’t know anything about that silliness, and I frankly don’t care about it. The Texans are not a team that I follow.”

Really....?  You live next door the one of the most well-known people in a major US city and you are pretending not to know his first name or what he looks like?  Also, he says he doesn't follow the Texans, but didn't he commission a bunch of billboards begging the Texans to draft Manziel?

Also, he said he the Houston PD contacted him about the cases.  The Houston PD announced they had no contact with Buzbee.

I'm not saying anything about the validity of these womens' claims, but that the lawyer seems like a grade A bullshitter.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2021, 02:15:23 PM
Man, this lawyer sounds so sketchy  Here is his quote about whether he is colluding with the Texans:

Really....?  You live next door the one of the most well-known people in a major US city and you are pretending not to know his first name or what he looks like?  Also, he says he doesn't follow the Texans, but didn't he commission a bunch of billboards begging the Texans to draft Manziel?

Also, he said he the Houston PD contacted him about the cases.  The Houston PD announced they had no contact with Buzbee.

I'm not saying anything about the validity of these womens' claims, but that the lawyer seems like a grade A bullshitter.

His statements about the McNairs and Texans are mind boggling especially with his history.

My original gut was he's some shady lawyer but the dudes worth almost 1 billion dollars. So I find it hard to imagine him not being extraordinarily good at his job as well as being highly reputable in his industry.

Honestly I have no freaking idea what to think about this case. There's so much weird excrement
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
He's the Michael Avenatti of Houston.

Doesn't mean the women are right or wrong. But the lawyer is a sleaze regardless.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2021, 02:35:39 PM
My original gut was he's some shady lawyer but the dudes worth almost 1 billion dollars. So I find it hard to imagine him not being extraordinarily good at his job as well as being highly reputable in his industry.

Dude what is with you and billionaires?  As soon as you find out someone's got three commas you start slobbin' their knob.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 20, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
Dude what is with you and billionaires?  As soon as you find out someone's got three commas you start slobbin' their knob.
dcm really wants to be able ro freak money.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
Dude what is with you and billionaires?  As soon as you find out someone's got three commas you start slobbin' their knob.

It's a lawyer

Soon as I hear lawyer chasing some shady sounding lawsuit I assume he's a shopping mall lawyer chasing a quick payday or publicity.

Him being a near billionaire means I find it hard to imagine that he's motivated by a 100k settlement or is trying to get his name out there.

Doesn't mean he doesn't have shady motivations, just that the two that would come to mind seem far less likely
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2021, 03:08:37 PM
Yes rich lawyers famously hate money and publicity. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2021, 12:29:29 PM
Plaintiff brought out a towel to wipe the oil off, but Watson requested that she use her hands instead to wipe it off. As Plaintiff was wiping the oil off, Watson began using his penis to touch Plaintiff’s hand. Plaintiff was mortified, so she used the towel to cover Watson’s private area and continued wiping off the oil with her hands.
Soon after, Plaintiff noticed a slimy substance on her hand, but she did not recognize it. Watson told Plaintiff that he had to leave and only paid Plaintiff $100 instead of $300. When Plaintiff asked her manager why she was not paid the full price, she was told that Watson said that Plaintiff had not given him what he wanted.
...
Watson insisted that he wanted Plaintiff to “go higher,” closer to his butt cheeks. Plaintiff went higher, but Watson was still not satisfied, and insisted that Plaintiff come even higher Plaintiff was confused and did not understand. Plaintiff assumed that Watson wanted his back massaged, so she proceeded to massage his back.
Watson then grabbed Plaintiff’s hands and placed them on his buttocks and moved them around in a circular motion. Watson asked Plaintiff to use more oil and he then put Plaintiff’s hands inside his anus. Plaintiff was shocked and confused. Watson told Plaintiff “I can tell you are a lesbian because you are so good with your hands.”
...
Plaintiff became irritated and uncomfortable, but she did not want to get in trouble with her manager. Plaintiff told Watson to lay on his back, and that was when Watson became even more aggressive, and started commenting on Plaintiff’s body. Watson then pulled Plaintiff towards him and told her “I want to cum,” Plaintiff was confused and told Watson that she does not perform those kinds of services.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 22, 2021, 12:35:48 PM
damn lol

he not talkin

it's getting to that level where ESPN is randomly going to have to bring herm edwards on air pleading 'SOMEBODY HELP THIS MAN!' the way they did when all of tiger's accusers starting come out in public
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2021, 12:38:43 PM


Plaintiff brought out a towel to wipe the oil off, but Watson requested that she use her hands instead to wipe it off. As Plaintiff was wiping the oil off, Watson began using his penis to touch Plaintiff’s hand. Plaintiff was mortified, so she used the towel to cover Watson’s private area and continued wiping off the oil with her hands.
Soon after, Plaintiff noticed a slimy substance on her hand, but she did not recognize it. Watson told Plaintiff that he had to leave and only paid Plaintiff $100 instead of $300. When Plaintiff asked her manager why she was not paid the full price, she was told that Watson said that Plaintiff had not given him what he wanted.
...
Watson insisted that he wanted Plaintiff to “go higher,” closer to his butt cheeks. Plaintiff went higher, but Watson was still not satisfied, and insisted that Plaintiff come even higher Plaintiff was confused and did not understand. Plaintiff assumed that Watson wanted his back massaged, so she proceeded to massage his back.
Watson then grabbed Plaintiff’s hands and placed them on his buttocks and moved them around in a circular motion. Watson asked Plaintiff to use more oil and he then put Plaintiff’s hands inside his anus. Plaintiff was shocked and confused. Watson told Plaintiff “I can tell you are a lesbian because you are so good with your hands.”
...
Plaintiff became irritated and uncomfortable, but she did not want to get in trouble with her manager. Plaintiff told Watson to lay on his back, and that was when Watson became even more aggressive, and started commenting on Plaintiff’s body. Watson then pulled Plaintiff towards him and told her “I want to cum,” Plaintiff was confused and told Watson that she does not perform those kinds of services.

"Hands" inside his anus....as in "more than one"?  Gaddamn.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 22, 2021, 12:41:27 PM
SOMEBODY CHECK ON HIM

HELP HIM

i can't find the clips
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2021, 12:50:17 PM

"Hands" inside his anus....as in "more than one"?  Gaddamn.


Watse
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2021, 01:03:56 PM
https://twitter.com/patmcafeeshow/status/1374055546853191680?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 22, 2021, 02:54:21 PM
I was going to say I feel bad judging a guy before he's had an opportunity to defend himself, but you know, freak this guy. There is an awful lot of smoke for there not to be a raging fire.

I want him nowhere near this team. Teams are still interested? What?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2021, 02:57:42 PM


I was going to say I feel bad judging a guy before he's had an opportunity to defend himself, but you know, freak this guy. There is an awful lot of smoke for there not to be a raging fire.

I wouldn't worry about it since you and I have no bearing on the outcome here. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to football message boards.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 22, 2021, 04:22:14 PM
all these allegations all but confirm that watson cannot and, in a rational world, should not go anywhere this year/offseason

there isn't enough time between now and the draft to parse out the validity behind all of these allegations

then factor in that the team that decides to make that jump anyways and give up all of that draft capital.......has no idea how the legal cases will proceed.

then throw in that the NFL will likely add their own punishment on top after they've investigated

it's not happening
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2021, 07:54:02 AM
all these allegations all but confirm that watson cannot and, in a rational world, should not go anywhere this year/offseason

there isn't enough time between now and the draft to parse out the validity behind all of these allegations

then factor in that the team that decides to make that jump anyways and give up all of that draft capital.......has no idea how the legal cases will proceed.

then throw in that the NFL will likely add their own punishment on top after they've investigated

it's not happening

I mean you could see both teams hedge

Maybe a less high trade (ie a 1st rounder) with a conditional first if he's on the team the following year.

There's been numerous reports that teams are still trying to trade for him after this. And understandable since it's a 25 year old probowl QB, who looks like a creeper but doesn't have any substantial evidence yet

I think him getting traded is still viable, though I wouldn't call it likely. This is super early in the process since accusations started
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2021, 07:54:04 AM
Another day, a few more accusers added to the lawsuit.


I think this guy's career in the NFL is over.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2021, 09:54:17 AM
This just keeps getting worse
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2021, 06:40:04 AM
Leave it to Watson to hire a lawyer whose name sounds like Hard on to defend him against sexual assault allegations.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 24, 2021, 08:08:14 AM
Mike Florio saying he'd only represent Deshaun pending the results of a polygraph is the funniest freaking thing I've read all week.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 24, 2021, 08:30:15 AM
Mike Florio saying he'd only represent Deshaun pending the results of a polygraph is the funniest freaking thing I've read all week.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/fd/93/13fd93239ab7f98aa4c93d06964a032d.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2021, 09:59:31 AM
So he had these women signing non-disclosure agreements, huh?

He's toast
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2021, 10:02:33 AM
So he had these women signing non-disclosure agreements, huh?

He's toast

good night, sweet prince.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2021, 10:17:21 AM
RIP in peace
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 29, 2021, 01:50:44 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit


If Watson isn't done in the NFL, dcm will eat my hat.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2021, 02:17:34 PM
This dude is a freakshow

Let the record show that I was right on my predraft evaluation
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
Does he ever NOT have his wang out?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2021, 02:33:15 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit


If Watson isn't done in the NFL, dcm will eat my hat.
Zach Wilson would never thrust up at the air
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 29, 2021, 02:36:03 PM
Zach Wilson would never thrust up at the air

doesn't need to...he's packin a baby's arm holding an apple.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 29, 2021, 03:45:58 PM
https://twitter.com/June__NYC/status/1376622032545320963?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 29, 2021, 04:34:54 PM
https://twitter.com/June__NYC/status/1376622032545320963?s=20
Is she wearing a diaper?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 30, 2021, 04:59:35 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit


If Watson isn't done in the NFL, dcm will eat my hat.

Bet the Texans wish they could have some of those missed calls back.

He's fucked.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 30, 2021, 12:27:36 PM
I don't think he's done. I'll believe it when I see it if he's done. He's too good, and people will overlook these things. Either the lawyer will cast enough doubt over the allegations where teams will be comfortable enough with him, or Watson will publicly apologize, say he didn't realize what he was doing was so bad, and some team will forgive him enough.

The NFL is willing to overlook a lot.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 03:29:58 PM
I don't think he's done. I'll believe it when I see it if he's done. He's too good, and people will overlook these things. Either the lawyer will cast enough doubt over the allegations where teams will be comfortable enough with him, or Watson will publicly apologize, say he didn't realize what he was doing was so bad, and some team will forgive him enough.

The NFL is willing to overlook a lot.

I think it's going to come down to how strong the worst of the allegations are.

Ie the above sports illustrated story just makes him look like a jerkoff and pervert. It's absolutely not enough to keep him out of the league, even on a reoccurring scale.

The allegations about forced conduct and assault are a whole other story if found to be credible

That said the scrutiny and bad press will likely follow him for the rest of his career. The dude might just have to become a feminist or something
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 30, 2021, 06:09:03 PM
A note on discourse.

https://deadspin.com/how-not-to-talk-about-the-deshaun-watson-allegations-1846583538 (https://deadspin.com/how-not-to-talk-about-the-deshaun-watson-allegations-1846583538)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 30, 2021, 06:45:50 PM
I don't think he's done. I'll believe it when I see it if he's done. He's too good, and people will overlook these things. Either the lawyer will cast enough doubt over the allegations where teams will be comfortable enough with him, or Watson will publicly apologize, say he didn't realize what he was doing was so bad, and some team will forgive him enough.

The NFL is willing to overlook a lot.

'ayyy guys my bad. didn't know spontaneously air fvckin or randomly pre-cummin and jizzin on all these masseuses could be taken the wrong way, thats my b'

'fvck it, welcome back desaun'
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2021, 06:53:19 PM
"Your honor, those girls assaulted my penis with their hands.  My penis is an innocent victim in all this."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2021, 07:31:45 PM
No way you can ever watch him play football again without thinking about him doing that weird penis thrust no hands ejac move
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:32:56 PM
Watson needs to hurry up and identify as a woman
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
No way you can ever watch him play football again without thinking about him doing that weird penis thrust no hands ejac move

Calling it now, penis thrust will be his go to TD celebration

On a more serious note I wouldn't be surprised to see him endlessly getting taunted with it when sacked, assuming he actually plays again (which I think he will)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2021, 07:37:44 PM


The dude might just have to become a feminist or something

Watson needs to hurry up and identify as a woman

 (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210331/60fe37914fff1facdb7031844fe80462.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:38:31 PM

 (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210331/60fe37914fff1facdb7031844fe80462.jpg)

I'm senile
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2021, 08:13:42 PM
Calling it now, penis thrust will be his go to TD celebration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhKS8rqod9M
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1377081366500810754?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2021, 03:26:35 PM
Watson's lawyer has issued a press release naming a number of massage therapists who have worked with Watson and support him. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that "he didn't sexually assault me so he probably didn't assault the ones who said he did" isn't a particularly compelling argument.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
Watson's lawyer has issued a press release naming a number of massage therapists who have worked with Watson and support him. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that "he didn't sexually assault me so he probably didn't assault the ones who said he did" isn't a particularly compelling argument.

It's a terrible defense
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2021, 03:43:06 PM
Watsons camp should rank all of the massage therapist in order of attractiveness and use the ole if I didn't sexually the hot ones why would I sexually assault the fugly ones defense
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 31, 2021, 07:22:37 PM
Watson's lawyer has issued a press release naming a number of massage therapists who have worked with Watson and support him. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that "he didn't sexually assault me so he probably didn't assault the ones who said he did" isn't a particularly compelling argument.

'alright, ima need all the male and ugly female masseuses ive used on this side, and all the hot female masseuses on this side'
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2021, 08:04:18 PM
'alright, ima need all the male and ugly female masseuses ive used on this side, and all the hot female masseuses on this side'
Quality reference that JE will never enjoy
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2021, 08:30:14 PM
Quality reference that JE will never enjoy
Completely over my head
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 31, 2021, 08:57:27 PM
Completely over my head

buddy that's the second time i've used that reference on you lmaoo

get in the game
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2021, 09:09:50 PM
buddy that's the second time i've used that reference on you lmaoo

get in the game
It doesn't matter how many times you use it if I haven't seen whatever it's from.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2021, 11:18:47 PM
It doesn't matter how many times you use it if I haven't seen whatever it's from.
Your loss
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2021, 11:59:42 PM
Your loss
I'm sure you're right, but as long as you keep not telling me what it is I'm going to keep not knowing.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2021, 07:40:44 AM
I'm sure you're right, but as long as you keep not telling me what it is I'm going to keep not knowing.

Refusal to change, classic JE.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on April 01, 2021, 07:44:04 AM
Refusal to change, classic JE.
You've all become my wife. "I'm very disappointed in you."

Why?

"You know what you did."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on April 02, 2021, 06:51:14 PM
https://twitter.com/houstonpolice/status/1378104049950724100?s=20

So it begins...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2021, 01:22:18 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1379496561382727680?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 06, 2021, 03:05:30 PM
I have to wonder how much the Jets, Dolphins and Panthers' offseason plans changed because of the Watson allegations.

Texans went from looking to keep Watson around however they could to having a nightmare scenario on their hands.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: klaximilian on April 06, 2021, 05:20:19 PM
If there was a Vegas bet on whether Deshaun will ever suit up again, I'm going to place all my money + my left nut on "nope."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2021, 06:45:55 PM
If there was a Vegas bet on whether Deshaun will ever suit up again, I'm going to place all my money + my left nut on "nope."
He's still be playing if he didn't place his left nut on things.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2021, 07:55:16 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/07/nike-suspends-endorsement-of-deshaun-watson-over-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/dvx6Lrg9SvzQHg2FwA/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on April 07, 2021, 07:56:33 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/07/nike-suspends-endorsement-of-deshaun-watson-over-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/dvx6Lrg9SvzQHg2FwA/giphy-downsized-large.gif)

you've been pretty on point with the gif/random photo game over the last couple of months.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1380610843910488066?s=21


Suuuuuuure
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2021, 04:16:30 PM
https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1380610843910488066?s=21


Suuuuuuure

"They mad cuz they let me hit it" might be a more successful defense than "these 357 women are all lying about me slinging my boner around the massage room".
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 09, 2021, 05:09:26 PM
"They mad cuz they let me hit it" might be a more successful defense than "these 357 women are all lying about me slinging my boner around the massage room".

it may be, but it's still a bad look lol.......and him having to resort to that after his initial comments were 'i can't wait to clear my name' do not bode well overall
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 09, 2021, 05:11:14 PM
oh excrement i just realized

deshaun watson making key use of rusty hardon against masseuses

has this connection/headline been made yet
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on April 09, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
oh excrement i just realized

deshaun watson making key use of rusty hardon against masseuses

has this connection/headline been made yet
The Daily News would like to offer you a job.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on April 09, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/5cac2a0e-103d-489a-8199-f363c612809f
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2021, 10:24:21 PM
“Sir, you see, I’m DeShaun Watson, so naturally all of these chicks wanted to bang me after massaging my killer bod. The air thrusting and ejaculating was also completely consensual, they love that stuff”
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2021, 06:22:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DianaMoskovitz/status/1380721204512706564?s=20
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
https://twitter.com/DianaMoskovitz/status/1380721204512706564?s=20

Good, that guy sucks
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2021, 07:36:19 PM
Good, that guy sucks
Cancel culture has gone too far
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2021, 09:43:57 PM
Cancel culture has gone too far

If you cancel this guy the terrorists win
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on April 13, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1382134490311573508?s=21

Goodnight sweet prince
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2021, 05:20:53 AM
If you cancel this guy the terrorists win
What if you cancel the cancelling......
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on April 14, 2021, 01:28:09 PM
1 down, 22 to go..

https://www.nfl.com/news/woman-drops-lawsuit-against-deshaun-watson-20-plaintiffs-identified
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on April 15, 2021, 02:17:22 PM
check that...

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/new_lawsuit_filed_against_texans_qb_deshaun_watson/s1_13132_34635506

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 15, 2021, 03:01:20 PM
trying to back down to the 'he has had some hot consensual sex with these hot masseuses' hill doesn't seem like the best strategy

if he's had consensual sex with masseuses it only lends credence to the idea that he would look for sex with any of the masseuses he's using, and possibly turn non-sexual encounters into sexual ones, because they've happened before
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on April 15, 2021, 03:34:29 PM
trying to back down to the 'he has had some hot consensual sex with these hot masseuses' hill doesn't seem like the best strategy

if he's had consensual sex with masseuses it only lends credence to the idea that he would look for sex with any of the masseuses he's using, and possibly turn non-sexual encounters into sexual ones, because they've happened before

Yeah but when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the hoo-ha. You can do anything.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2021, 02:55:34 PM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1384176998394712064?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2021, 02:58:36 PM
Watson getting out of this unscathed will be akin to a 16 seed running table during March Madness.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 03:07:50 PM
possibly the worst defense he could have gone with, this is gonna be a excrement show, i cant wait.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 03:08:16 PM
the jury is going to award these woman eleventy billion dollars
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 03:30:52 PM
None of what these women says is true, they all wanted to have happen whatever happened, they all asked for more, and if things did happen then they all tried to make money from it. Sure, let's go with that.

Poor Deshaun really does have some bad luck with massage therapists, eh? Not only does he need to replace them after one or two sessions, but it turns out that every single one of them is a fame chasing money grabber with no morals.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Jumbo on April 19, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
None of what these women says is true, they all wanted to have happen whatever happened, they all asked for more, and if things did happen then they all tried to make money from it. Sure, let's go with that.

Poor Deshaun really does have some bad luck with massage therapists, eh? Not only does he need to replace them after one or two sessions, but it turns out that every single one of them is a fame chasing money grabber with no morals.

Poor guy ran into 22 consecutive gold digger massage therapists who were all angling for a lawsuit. I mean really, what are the odds?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-reportedly-had-bidding-war-set-up-for-deshaun-watson-that-could-have-included-tua-tagovailoa-023921081.html
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/espnupstate/status/1392240563731247110?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 12, 2021, 01:34:06 PM
If he plays I hope he gets destroyed.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 13, 2021, 04:51:13 PM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1392958416721780740?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on May 13, 2021, 04:53:03 PM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1392958416721780740?s=21
Lawyers having a dick measuring contest. Someone is gonna come up short.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2021, 08:59:57 AM
Watson showed up to Texans TC
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on July 25, 2021, 11:24:01 AM
Watson showed up to Texans TC

I’d guess he’s trying to fix his image a bit since the allegations.

Good for the Texans I suppose. But Watson is completely radioactive right now
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2021, 11:29:44 AM
Have been seeing quite a bit of Watson Xavien Howard rumors

Have to think a Texans dolphins trade is fairly unlikely but seemingly possible still
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on July 25, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Have been seeing quite a bit of Watson Xavien Howard rumors

Have to think a Texans dolphins trade is fairly unlikely but seemingly possible still

I’m sure it’s for more than Howard, but how on Earth is that remotely fair if that was a straight up trade
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
I’m sure it’s for more than Howard, but how on Earth is that remotely fair if that was a straight up trade

Apologize if my wording insinuated otherwise, but it certainly wouldn't be a 1 for 1 trade nor did anything I've seen suggest such
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2021, 07:23:15 AM
Quote
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
48m
The #Texans are now willing to listen — and have been for some time — to trade offers for star QB Deshaun Watson, multiple sources tell me and @RapSheet
. But the price is high for a player of his caliber, and should be. It’d likely take at least three first-round picks and more.


Those clowns in Houston should've traded him before the allegations surfaced.  Good luck trying to get 3 first rounders now.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2021, 07:29:12 AM
No way they are getting that price for him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2021, 07:31:56 AM
That's why Zach hasn't signed yet.  We are signing Watson and then Douglas will force Zach to take a pay cut on his rookie deal. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 07:33:57 AM
You're on crack if you don't think the Texans are still getting at LEAST 3 1sts for him

Seattle gave up 2 1sts for an elite box safety

Watson is still going to be a bounty and then some.

Id say the absolute floor for him is going to be 2 1sts a 2nd Xavien Howard and Tua
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2021, 07:36:19 AM
You're on crack if you don't think the Texans are still getting at LEAST 3 1sts for him

Seattle gave up 2 1sts for an elite box safety

Watson is still going to be a bounty and then some.

Id say the absolute floor for him is going to be 2 1sts a 2nd Xavien Howard and Tua

He's got 22 pending lawsuits hanging over his head.....


Also, apparently Watson's been available for awhile....nobody wants to touch him for 3 first round picks.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 07:44:36 AM
He's got 22 pending lawsuits hanging over his head.....


Also, apparently Watson's been available for awhile....nobody wants to touch him for 3 first round picks.

Watson being available wouldn't/didn't make sense when things were at a full frenzy

At this point its an old story, we haven't been given the impression he's looking at prison time, and again winning cures all.

The two front runners are the Dolphins and Eagles AFAIK and both teams would be pretty legitimate contenders with him.

Regardless we will have a much better idea real soon. But as of right now the impression I'm getting is there's a good probability of Watson playing most of this season. Which means he's very tradable
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2021, 07:55:02 AM
Watson being available wouldn't/didn't make sense when things were at a full frenzy

At this point its an old story, we haven't been given the impression he's looking at prison time, and again winning cures all.

The two front runners are the Dolphins and Eagles AFAIK and both teams would be pretty legitimate contenders with him.

Regardless we will have a much better idea real soon. But as of right now the impression I'm getting is there's a good probability of Watson playing most of this season. Which means he's very tradable

didn't make sense?  He flat out asked for a trade.  Houston won't be able to maximize their return now because they were stubborn.

I don't know about prison time, but the NFL is surely going to suspend him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 08:05:37 AM
didn't make sense?  He flat out asked for a trade.  Houston won't be able to maximize their return now because they were stubborn.

I don't know about prison time, but the NFL is surely going to suspend him.

It didn't make sense at the beginning of this whole mess when there was a tremendous amount of uncertainty around the whole thing

And of course, they'll get less for his value now then they would have before this whole mess.

And I agree he will get suspended. Will they get 5 1st rounders for him, absolutely not.

But look at trades in recent years with Jamal Adams and Minkah Fitzpatrick.

Even with Watson's image and uncertainty is he worth more than them?

If the Jets had not opted to draft Zach Wilson, would the people on this board be excited if today  we gave up 3 future 1st round picks for Watson?

Even if Watson is suspended for 10 games this season, as long as he doesn't end up in prison I think people would still consider that a steal.

Obviously were not in the market for him, but at the end of the day this guy is 25 and has the potential to be a peg below Mahomes
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2021, 08:59:18 AM
The Texans being unable to move him this year is more likely at this point than getting 3 1sts for him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2021, 10:11:13 AM
I'm generally a believer in Hanlon's Razor, but in this case it seems like an awful lot of coincidence that favours the Texans.

- Owner brings in lunatic preacher and gives him stupid amounts of power
- Terrible football decisions ensue
- Star QB decides "freak this" and tells the world he wants out, team says they're not trading him
- Despite a 100% spotless record throughout his college and NFL career, within a couple of weeks of requesting a move suddenly a deluge of women, represented by a really sketchy lawyer, come out of the woodwork to accuse him of serious offences
- Trade talk immediately evaporates as no one knows what will happen with legal cases
- 31 teams complete their rosters through FA and the draft
- Watson reports to camp and lets it be known that he still wants out
- Suddenly now that no one can trade for him given the uncertain legal outcomes the Texans are open to calls
- "Hey Deshaun, we were willing to let you go somewhere else but turns out no one wants you, you can still play for us though"

It seems at this stage not a huge leap of logic to think that the Texans knew about the excrement that was going on with the masseuses and were keeping it under wraps, then used it to their advantage when they needed it and are continuing to do so.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 10:25:37 AM
I'm generally a believer in Hanlon's Razor, but in this case it seems like an awful lot of coincidence that favours the Texans.

- Owner brings in lunatic preacher and gives him stupid amounts of power
- Terrible football decisions ensue
- Star QB decides "freak this" and tells the world he wants out, team says they're not trading him
- Despite a 100% spotless record throughout his college and NFL career, within a couple of weeks of requesting a move suddenly a deluge of women, represented by a really sketchy lawyer, come out of the woodwork to accuse him of serious offences
- Trade talk immediately evaporates as no one knows what will happen with legal cases
- 31 teams complete their rosters through FA and the draft
- Watson reports to camp and lets it be known that he still wants out
- Suddenly now that no one can trade for him given the uncertain legal outcomes the Texans are open to calls
- "Hey Deshaun, we were willing to let you go somewhere else but turns out no one wants you, you can still play for us though"

It seems at this stage not a huge leap of logic to think that the Texans knew about the excrement that was going on with the masseuses and were keeping it under wraps, then used it to their advantage when they needed it and are continuing to do so.

While there's all kinda shady smoke

The biggest issue with this theory is they listed a 3 1st rounder asking price which is extremely reasonable even after all this.

If we didn't have ZW everyone on this board would trade Jamal Adams and a 1st for Watson no questions asked right now.

Watson's name and values are sullied, but not enoguh to make this theory of yours viable
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
While there's all kinda shady smoke

The biggest issue with this theory is they listed a 3 1st rounder asking price which is extremely reasonable even after all this.

If we didn't have ZW everyone on this board would trade Jamal Adams and a 1st for Watson no questions asked right now.

Watson's name and values are sullied, but not enoguh to make this theory of yours viable

No one is giving up 3 first round picks for a player whose future availability is an unknown.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 11:26:55 AM
No one is giving up 3 first round picks for a player whose future availability is an unknown.

Risk vs reward I'd say the upside and downside of trading for Watson is much greater than trading two 1sts for Adams or Minkah

Plus unless the assumption is that Watsons is going to be permently exiled from the nfl, I think you can deal with accepting a suspension
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2021, 11:27:52 AM
Risk vs reward I'd say the upside and downside of trading for Watson is much greater than trading two 1sts for Adams or Minkah

stop comparing Watson to 2 safeties.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
stop comparing Watson to 2 safeties.

The discussion is about the value of draft picks

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2021, 11:31:14 AM
The discussion is about the value of draft picks



Yes, but you keep disregarding the fact that Watson is under legal fire, and his future in the NFL is, quite frankly, up in the air.  Comparing Watson's value to 2 players that aren't in the same situation doesn't work.

His market price is directly affected by this. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Yes, but you keep disregarding the fact that Watson is under legal fire, and his future in the NFL is, quite frankly, up in the air.  Comparing Watson's value to 2 players that aren't in the same situation doesn't work.

His market price is directly affected by this. 

Adams future was up in the air when Seattle traded for him, in the sense that he made it clear he thinks he should be paid like one of the nfls most elite players not just like an elite safety.

Regardless unless the belief is that Watson will be permanently exiled from the nfl, it's something that will impact his value but not make him worthless
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Adams future was up in the air when Seattle traded for him, in the sense that he made it clear he thinks he should be paid like one of the nfls most elite players not just like an elite safety.

Regardless unless the belief is that Watson will be permanently exiled from the nfl, it's something that will impact his value but not make him worthless

Stop drinking in the morning.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2021, 12:54:06 PM
Stop drinking in the morning.

this
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
So this is confusing.

https://twitter.com/aaronjreiss/status/1420771669342294019

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2021, 06:45:35 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1423114757637292032?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on August 05, 2021, 07:16:42 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1423114757637292032?s=19

I can’t see anyone trading for him right now. But Philly would be far preferable to us than any AFC destination, including the ducking dolphins
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2021, 07:29:29 AM
I can’t see anyone reading for him eighth now.

what
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 07:30:42 AM
what

*trading **right. ***damn auto-correct

I'm guessing.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 07:32:12 AM
what
Knicks read for Trae Young yet?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 07:47:00 AM
*trading **right. ***damn auto-correct

I'm guessing.
5honk
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on August 05, 2021, 05:16:07 PM
*trading **right. ***damn auto-correct

I'm guessing.

Yes, that
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
https://twitter.com/amydashtv/status/1426301369229709321?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on August 13, 2021, 06:55:40 PM
https://twitter.com/amydashtv/status/1426301369229709321?s=21
Think we could get him for a 7th round conditional handjob?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on August 28, 2021, 02:47:08 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1431643694315278342?s=19

Take this with a grain of excrement, who knows.

No idea why in the world the Panthers would trade for him when they just forked over a decent amount for Darnold. 

It would be so awesome I'd the Dolphins traded a shitload for him and then the groping excrement hits the fan.


Edit- please do it Dolphins.

https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1431685635702726658?s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 28, 2021, 02:57:00 PM
My biggest concern with Watson before all the sexual abuse allegations came out was with his longevity. The guy is a mobile quarterback who has already torn the ACL in both of his knees and has always invited an excessive amount of hits on his slender frame by holding the ball for too long behind porous offensive lines. As much as I like him as a player, this is why I'm not afraid of him being traded to the Dolphins, a team with a highly questionable offensive line and no means to fix it if they actually give up the amount of assets it would take to acquire him that's been bandied about. That's before you even take into consideration all the off-field issues.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on August 28, 2021, 03:16:02 PM
I don't want him playing in our division, but if the Dolphins trade away 3 1sts and some seconds, I'm good with it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2021, 05:43:29 PM
I don't want him playing in our division, but if the Dolphins trade away 3 1sts and some seconds, I'm good with it.

With any presumed Watson trade being dependent on substantial compensation, you have to imagine there's a high probability it will be for picks over the next 3 drafts or so.

And with the uncertainty surrounding his legal situation, it's not unrealistic for both parties to push for conditional picks.

So I highly doubt we're going to see a team trade 3 1sts for a dude in prison. I'd wager you'd see something like a 1st round pick next year xwirh conditionals kicking in 2/3 years away. Giving plenty of time for the legal situation to be at least fairly close to resolved
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1436982063530393603?s=19

Lol good luck
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2021, 07:27:37 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1436982063530393603?s=19

Lol good luck
I don't know what they end up doing, but they are fucked in regards to trading him.  I mean, there's always calling up Oakland for the fleece, but I doubt it.

The only thing they have going for them is that this legal crap won't be settled anytime soon.  Then again, if there's a chance he gets out of this and isn't banned from the league, maybe getting it over with faster is better.  They are going to have to eat a excrement sandwich and settle for something much lower.  Maybe a 1st, 2nd and a player.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2021, 08:15:33 AM
Assuming that something comes of the police investigation etc. Can they retrograde go after Watsons contract monies
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2021, 03:53:03 PM
https://twitter.com/michaeldavsmith/status/1440635910337425411?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 04:02:09 PM
https://twitter.com/michaeldavsmith/status/1440635910337425411?s=21

Eh, that's not entirely true. The Texans were lining him up at safety in camp because he turned up to fulfil his contractual duty ready to play, and they didn't want him playing at QB so they fucked with him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
Eh, that's not entirely true. The Texans were lining him up at safety in camp because he turned up to fulfil his contractual duty ready to play, and they didn't want him playing at QB so they fucked with him.

It's also super misleading

The Texans would have a difficult time suspending him.

And he's not playing because the team doesn't want to trot out a guy as the face of their franchise accused of raping 20 women or whatever the freak.

Also if he goes out and gets hurt, I'd imagine that completely changes everything in regards to the Texans trying to go after his contract money. It also hurts their value in regards to trading him if he gets hurt.

In other words the Texans risk way way more by playing him than not.

I suppose it's also possible that if he gets a suspension after the fact, they could potentially claim this was a suspension (thus salvaging any of his trade value). That's just me speculating

But regardless it seems like there's no good reason to play him. Unless they somehow think they're SB contenders
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2021, 03:38:35 PM
https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/1450909383429349382?s=21

Hey freak me amirite
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2021, 03:38:57 PM
Only way this is fair is if he’s suspended a year for each sexual assault allegation
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2021, 04:31:26 PM
Quote
Texans general manager Nick Caserio has been asking for three first-round picks, as well as two second-rounders, in exchange for Watson, according to McClain. It's unclear whether the Dolphins would actually meet that asking price, and it's also unclear if Miami is waiting to strike until the quarterback's legal situation is resolved. Facing 22 civil lawsuits, Watson has not been suspended by the NFL but remains under investigation with police also looking into allegations against the star signal-caller
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2021, 07:14:38 PM
https://twitter.com/marcel_lj/status/1450939137524178950?s=21
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on October 20, 2021, 08:22:51 PM
https://twitter.com/marcel_lj/status/1450939137524178950?s=21

This screams of Houston trying to get someone (cough Philly) to make things move forwards quickly
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on October 20, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
Has anyone been more wrong than John McClain this year?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on October 21, 2021, 11:41:18 AM
Has anyone been more wrong than John McClain this year?

Fat Tiger Chun Li faced John McClain, not the hero of Nakatomi Plaza John McClane!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on October 23, 2021, 07:56:07 PM
Pshaw Deshaun
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2021, 07:18:04 AM
Quote
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
·
1m
Deshaun Watson update: Watson prepared to consider multiple options — it’s not Miami-or-bust — and multiple teams remain interested.

Meanwhile, Carolina’s QB outlook has changed after ugly Giants loss. Panthers are expected to be players.


It would be funny if JE's boi Sam Darnold had to eat a excrement sandwich 2 years in a row.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2021, 08:58:52 AM
Quote
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
3m
Sources: Owner David Tepper and the #Panthers are not expected to pursue #Texans QB Deshaun Watson at this time. The QB has only waived his no-trade clause for the #Dolphins.


last thing we need is this POS in our division.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2021, 11:05:59 AM

last thing we need is this POS in our division.
It could make for a nice implosion in Miami.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2021, 11:07:51 AM
It could make for a nice implosion in Miami.

As a franchise, we're not that lucky.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2021, 12:29:49 PM
It could make for a nice implosion in Miami.
Miami is already imploding nicely.

I just hope they would have to pay a ton to get him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2021, 04:02:48 PM
As a franchise, we're not that lucky.
Since the Dolphins' last SB in the early '70s they've been excrement with the exception of the Marino era. So they're nearly as hapless of a franchise as the Jets.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
Miami is already imploding nicely.

I just hope they would have to pay a ton to get him.
That's key. Over pay, Watson doesn't save them, Flores fired within a year or two, it's all pretty plausible.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 27, 2021, 04:46:00 PM
What do they have to trade for Watson?

If they're paying the Texans' asking price they're going to be struggling to add talent for years.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2021, 05:35:36 PM
That's key. Over pay, Watson doesn't save them, Flores fired within a year or two, it's all pretty plausible.

I already know one Dolphin fan who hates Flores and thinks he's in over his head, and claims he'll quit following the Dolphins if they sign Watson. (He won't. He's too invested.)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2021, 07:25:50 PM
I already know one Dolphin fan who hates Flores and thinks he's in over his head, and claims he'll quit following the Dolphins if they sign Watson. (He won't. He's too invested.)
I know a few Dolphins fans that say they'll quit if they get Watson. I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/03/08/deshaun-watson-accusers-subpoenaed-testify-before-grand-jury/9431781002/
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/sports/football/nfl-deshaun-watson.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/sports/football/nfl-deshaun-watson.html)

(https://c.tenor.com/8ACuaE1oFiYAAAAC/fifth-chapelle.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2022, 03:46:46 PM
No criminal charges to be brought. Trade market is on.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2022, 08:32:46 PM
So the rumors are Seattle is the favorite to trade for him

Seems a little pecicular to get rid of Wilson then go trade for Watson at first.

But if you look at how the rest of the NFC west is built, it makes a lot of sense to get rid of a 34 year old QB for a 27 year old.

Especially with the Rams having a very small window, and the cardinals/49ers potentially having to make some significant changes when/if their QB's need new contacts
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2022, 08:33:52 PM
So the rumors are Seattle is the favorite to trade for him

Seems a little pecicular to get rid of Wilson then go trade for Watson
If they sign Watson, they aren't getting rid of Metcalf.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2022, 08:39:39 PM
If they sign Watson, they aren't getting rid of Metcalf.

Maybe, maybe not.

Will Watson be suspended? If so for how long? Does Seattle want to diminish their window the next 2 years, to become a serious contender once the Stafford era is over?

Because even with Watson, I'm not convinced Seattle is even in one of the top 2 teams in their division. Hell they might even be the 4th best team
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
(that said trading Metcalf doesn't make a ton of sense still, but I think the logic of maximize your window in 2 years makes sense, especially if Watson gets a substantial suspension)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2022, 08:58:03 PM
So the rumors are Seattle is the favorite to trade for him

Seems a little pecicular to get rid of Wilson then go trade for Watson at first.

But if you look at how the rest of the NFC west is built, it makes a lot of sense to get rid of a 34 year old QB for a 27 year old.

Especially with the Rams having a very small window, and the cardinals/49ers potentially having to make some significant changes when/if their QB's need new contacts

You know what would make getting Watson a lot easier? Having either pick 4 and 35 or picks 9 and 10. That’s the only shot they have to compete against 15,16,19 and Jalen Hurts
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2022, 09:11:08 PM
You know what would make getting Watson a lot easier? Having either pick 4 and 35 or picks 9 and 10. That’s the only shot they have to compete against 15,16,19 and Jalen Hurts

Rumors are rumors

But the latest is Phillys interest has gone down and the Panthers up
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 11, 2022, 09:15:09 PM
Rumors are rumors

But the latest is Phillys interest has gone down and the Panthers up

Well # 4 as the center piece of the deal is better than #6, which is better than #9.

Clearly DK and 9 for 4 is the key to getting Watson to Seattle.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2022, 09:38:18 PM
Well # 4 as the center piece of the deal is better than #6, which is better than #9.

Clearly DK and 9 for 4 is the key to getting Watson to Seattle.

Number 4 is only better if there's a QB teams want to draft early this year.

If it's not, then maximum overall value and potentially future picks is the way to go.

Hell having Seattle's first round pick next year in the toughest division in football with Watson potentially missing a large chunk of the season and possibly being extremely rusty could easily turn into a top 10 maybe top 5 pick.

Plus Seattle could also offer up Denvers first next year.

If you need a QB and you don't see a guy you want this year, I'd rather stockpile picks for next years draft
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 12, 2022, 06:16:06 AM
Number 4 is only better if there's a QB teams want to draft early this year.

If it's not, then maximum overall value and potentially future picks is the way to go.

Hell having Seattle's first round pick next year in the toughest division in football with Watson potentially missing a large chunk of the season and possibly being extremely rusty could easily turn into a top 10 maybe top 5 pick.

Plus Seattle could also offer up Denvers first next year.

If you need a QB and you don't see a guy you want this year, I'd rather stockpile picks for next years draft

You completely missed the point of what I was saying.

It’s a given any package for Watson will also include next years picks. The only team that could give up 3 1s right now in 2022 is Philly and as you said if I’m Houston I don’t want those picks because it can’t get me a QB

So we assume next years #1 is on the table as a guarantee to give Houston the best chance at a QB prospect next year.

If all deals are equal in future compensation and players etc, which deal is Houston taking? The one with pick 6 this year or the one with pick 9? The one with the higher pick. If Seattle (or Carolina for that matter) could get pick 4 from us and meet the rest of Houston’s demands then the team with pick 4 this year is who gets Watson. You can’t tell that guaranteeing Houston gets Thibs AND Hamilton at 3/4 isn’t very enticing for them.

I expect Watson goes for more than Wilson got. Which is why Seattle with 2 firsts next year is in the drivers seat. But Carolina is desperate. If they offer 5 firsts and a bunch of seconds, Seattle needs a trump card and a top 4 pick this year is better than Carolinas #6. That’s the pitch I’d be selling Seattle. Hell if they want Ashtyn Davis or Denzel Mims we can toss them on the pile as well
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 12, 2022, 09:14:57 AM
What happens if Watson's camp leaks that he's only willing to waive his no-trade clause for one team? That team will then essentially be bidding against itself. I feel like people are underestimating the leverage that clause gives him. He's not going to want to go to a team that's just been gutted for resources. This was always assumed but the Texans essentially admitting that Watson will never play for them again hurt their negotiating power.

Just like with Wilson, who was reportedly only willing to waive his no-trade clause for the Broncos, my guess is that Watson is traded for less than people ultimately expect.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2022, 11:12:36 AM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
19m
The #Saints and #Panthers have made offers for #Texans QB Deshaun Watson and are likely to meet with him soon, sources tell me and @TomPelissero
. Other teams also are involved. Watson has a no-trade clause and wants to meet with teams before formally waiving it anywhere.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2022, 03:36:59 PM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
19m
The #Saints and #Panthers have made offers for #Texans QB Deshaun Watson and are likely to meet with him soon, sources tell me and @TomPelissero
. Other teams also are involved. Watson has a no-trade clause and wants to meet with teams before formally waiving it anywhere.

So he’s gonna fly around the country, be wined and dined. Decide the place he wants to go, and then hold the Texans over a barrel so they can either hold him for spite, or trade him for much less than he is worth because he refuses to play for anyone else.

Bloody brilliant contract work by those agents and GMs who agreed to that deal
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2022, 04:40:49 PM
Watson has apparently rejected everyone except the Panthers and Saints
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2022, 05:11:08 PM
Watson has apparently rejected everyone except the Panthers and Saints
The Texans rejected Indy because they are in division.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 14, 2022, 05:23:21 PM
The Texans rejected Indy because they are in division.

The fact that they tried to speak with him is pretty hilarious to me.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2022, 05:25:14 PM
The fact that they tried to speak with him is pretty hilarious to me.
1 time out of 100, if you ask the hot model out, she says yes.  Shoot your shot.  Or is it 1 in 10,000?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 05:46:36 PM
We need the Saints to land him....so the Panthers reach for a QB in the top 10, pushing better players to us at 10.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2022, 05:47:21 PM
We need the Saints to land him....so the Panthers reach for a QB in the top 10, pushing better players to us at 10.
Is it wrong I don't even know who replaced Sean Payton?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 06:06:38 PM
Is it wrong I don't even know who replaced Sean Payton?

Dennis Allen does have that forgettable face
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2022, 06:09:41 PM
Dennis Allen does have that forgettable face
Everytime I hear Dennis Allen I think of Dennis Green.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 06:11:27 PM
Everytime I hear Dennis Allen I think of Dennis Green.

Not Dennis Erickson?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 06:23:34 PM
1 time out of 100, if you ask the hot model out, she says yes.  Shoot your shot.  Or is it 1 in 10,000?

I once saw a pretty famous actress in a swanky bar in London, so I shot my shot and asked her if she'd have a drink with me. She said no, but she did so very nicely.

98 left to go before I get the yes then.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2022, 06:25:54 PM
I once saw a pretty famous actress in a swanky bar in London, so I shot my shot and asked her if she'd have a drink with me. She said no, but she did so very nicely.

98 left to go before I get the yes then.
Just ask the same one 98 more times, you might wear her down.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 06:26:35 PM
Just ask the same one 98 more times, you might wear her down.

Not sure I'd be quite so interested in her these days. I suspect her level of interest in me remains exactly the same as it was then.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2022, 06:27:58 PM
Johnny's not dropping the name so I'm going to conclude it was Bea Arthur. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Johnny's not dropping the name so I'm going to conclude it was Bea Arthur. 

Martine McCutcheon. At the time was one of the big stars of Eastenders, the UK's biggest soap opera, but is probably only known this side of the Atlantic for being in Love Actually. Went on to have a shortlived and not very impressive pop music career.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
We need the Saints to land him....so the Panthers reach for a QB in the top 10, pushing better players to us at 10.
id rather we convince the panthers to trade up to 4 to secure QB1
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
id rather we convince the panthers to trade up to 4 to secure QB1

i think this is a pipe dream

none of the QBs in this class are worth trading up for
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2022, 06:48:47 PM
Martine McCutcheon. At the time was one of the big stars of Eastenders, the UK's biggest soap opera, but is probably only known this side of the Atlantic for being in Love Actually. Went on to have a shortlived and not very impressive pop music career.



(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/f/f2/Tiffany_Mitchell_promo.jpg)

Cutie. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2022, 06:49:51 PM
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/f/f2/Tiffany_Mitchell_promo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200227094325)

Cutie. 

Did you mean to post a broken image?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2022, 06:50:17 PM
Did you mean to post a broken image?

Fixed it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2022, 06:52:44 PM
i think this is a pipe dream

none of the QBs in this class are worth trading up for

Oh I agree, but desperate teams do desperate things. That’s all we’ve got to hold onto as far as a trade at of 4 goes.

I’d take Walker at 4 and not blink. But if you told me I could get Walker and a 3rd this year and a 2nd+ next year we should be over the moon excited. If tepper doesn’t get Watson, he is going to be all over Malik Willis. Hopefully we can convince him why he needs to trade to 4 to get him
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 06:52:47 PM
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/f/f2/Tiffany_Mitchell_promo.jpg)

Cutie. 

nice Rachel Leigh Cook vibes
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 06:53:01 PM
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/f/f2/Tiffany_Mitchell_promo.jpg)

Cutie. 

Then and now:

(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Martine-McCutcheon-Love-Actually-Where-Are-They-Now.jpg?w=1600&quality=86&strip=all)

Can't understand why she turned down the opportunity to have a drink with a pissed up mouthy nobody like me. Biggest mistake of her life.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 06:54:29 PM


Can't understand why she turned down the opportunity to have a drink with a pissed up mouthy nobody like me. Biggest mistake of her life.

maybe she didn't want to bend that far down for a hug
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 06:55:48 PM
maybe she didn't want to bend that far down for a hug

She's actually shorter than me. Think I'd have taken the shot with a chick who was taller?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2022, 06:56:03 PM
You didn't have the Sanchez mustache yet.  That would have sealed the deal.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2022, 06:59:52 PM
She's actually shorter than me. Think I'd have taken the shot with a chick who was taller?

Why not?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2022, 07:00:46 PM
She's actually shorter than me. Think I'd have taken the shot with a chick who was taller?


she's a cute smurf
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 07:00:59 PM
You didn't have the Sanchez mustache yet.  That would have sealed the deal.

I did not. This would have been in about 1998 I think, so I'd have been 25 and cleanshaven and looking about 16.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
Why not?

Amazons scare me
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2022, 06:51:47 AM
The Browns are meeting with Watson today as per Aaron Wilson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2022, 10:48:24 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
 · 6m
The Falcons have emerged as a sleeper team to acquire Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, league sources tell @mortreport and me. The Falcons join the Panthers, Saints and Browns as teams that have met with, or are interested in, trading for Watson. More to come on ESPN.



So the entire NFC South minus the Bucs are in on Watson.....this should be fun to watch. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2022, 10:58:01 AM
Bucs signs him, Brady retires again.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2022, 11:47:30 AM
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1503774080436219909?t=lk_9-YNRS2EswSiGdEy7tg&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2022, 11:48:41 AM
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1503774080436219909?t=lk_9-YNRS2EswSiGdEy7tg&s=19

lol...that trade up for Trey Lance would be some significant egg on Lynch's face.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1503774080436219909?t=lk_9-YNRS2EswSiGdEy7tg&s=19

Peter Schrager
@PSchrags
·
14m
The 49ers are not meeting with Deshaun Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2022, 12:36:41 PM
Fake News
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2022, 08:07:03 PM
Unsubstantiated rumor says it's down to CLE, CAR, and NO.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2022, 09:27:46 PM
https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1503914793228402689?t=Gi-JW77n6qjzCumXqqycIw&s=19

Watson is freaking up all kinds of teams' situations.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2022, 02:12:42 PM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
2m
As @mortreport
 reported, the Falcons informed QB Matt Ryan last weekend that they were pursuing Deshaun Watson. The lines of communication have been kept open between Ryan and the Falcons.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2022, 02:14:32 PM
Allbright is saying there’s a mystery east coast team in the mix now

Schefter said it’s not Philly

Better not be us
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2022, 02:15:36 PM
Allbright is saying there’s a mystery east coast team in the mix now

Schefter said it’s not Philly

Better not be us

Giants? Or just Allbright making stuff up.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
Allbright is saying there’s a mystery east coast team in the mix now

Schefter said it’s not Philly

Better not be us
It isn't.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2022, 02:21:56 PM
Giants? Or just Allbright making stuff up.

He's usually not in the business of making up garbage like Jordan Schultz and Tony Pauline. 

He's a massive douche but he does have sources.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2022, 02:22:48 PM
lolbright
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
It's the Eagles
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2022, 02:31:15 PM
It's the Eagles

but Schefter said no
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2022, 02:36:38 PM
but Schefter said no

Schefter also said Watson was innocent
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2022, 02:38:27 PM
Schefter also said Watson was innocent

So did the grand jury (or at least not guilty).
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on March 16, 2022, 02:40:01 PM
Schefter also said Watson was innocent

Yeah, I find the whole “just because he wasn’t indicted doesn’t mean he’s innocent!” kvetching to be  insane.

We don’t have to prove innocence in this country, it’s the default even under criminal charges. So yes, as of right now DeShaun Watson is an innocent man. That designation is greatly bolstered by the actions of the grand jury.

you can indict a ham sandwich as the saying goes. Over 90 percent of cases that go in front of a grand jury get indicted because of the low standard of proof.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2022, 03:09:47 PM
Why listen to lolbright when we have Will Parkinson burning up the phones for us?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2022, 03:12:35 PM
Why listen to lolbright when we have Will Parkinson burning up the phones for us?

"The Jets are participating in free agency, I think"
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2022, 03:31:42 PM
Allbright is saying there’s a mystery east coast team in the mix now

Schefter said it’s not Philly

Better not be us

You sure he wasn't referring to the Falcons and just didn't know it because he has fewer and worse sources than Schefter?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2022, 09:20:00 AM
Meeting with Saints a second time.  Signs point to them being the location.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 17, 2022, 09:30:37 AM
Meeting with Saints a second time.  Signs point to them being the location.

They just restructured a bunch of guys too
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2022, 09:40:10 AM
Crazy to think the expectation is he has a new time by Monday.

Will be incredibly entertaining if he's terrible.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2022, 09:47:36 AM
Crazy to think the expectation is he has a new time by Monday.

Will be incredibly entertaining if he's terrible.

He won't be bad, but I hope they sign him and someone comes out with the video evidence of him slinging his dong on a masseuse.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1504474308982173701

Baker "The Backup Option" Mayfield
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1504474308982173701

Baker "The Backup Option" Mayfield

It's cool, it's only his 5th year rookie option

I'm sure contract negotiations will go great
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2022, 12:20:42 PM
https://twitter.com/NFL_Stats/status/1504506933948076032?t=zOs9oyuVLZXnKhZvqxnU2A&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2022, 07:35:14 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1504615926645366784?t=iFXqs25PLmLL7Elv69NEfg&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2022, 08:20:11 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1504626831097487364?t=TSgSTfdx99QOUfOcZXsjrQ&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 17, 2022, 08:27:15 PM
Imagine being a Falcons or Saints fan right now.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 17, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
Imagine allowing a serial sexual assaulter to hold your franchise hostage
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 17, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
The Falcons moving Matt Ryan's bonus back to allow Watson more time to decide whether to replace him is both amusing and sad.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2022, 01:23:54 PM
IG: JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
·
10m
I’m told Falcons brass has ‘keys to the city’ to bring a trade home with Deshaun Watson & would be ‘surprised’ if that doesn’t occur based on strong mutual interest & conversations. Separately I expect Watson to receive new money in a restructured contract once any trade is done.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
Quote
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Deshaun Watson "has decided he wants to play for the Cleveland Browns."

Jesus. 

EDIT: Beat you by 0 seconds bo, keep up
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
Watson to Browns!

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1504907155056611336

Mods change title to "Browns trade for Groper"
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
ridiculous
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2022, 02:58:19 PM
Quote
Deshaun Watson gets a fully guaranteed 5 year $230M contract. That is $80M more than the previous record for fully guaranteed money at signing ($150M). This deal was negotiated by David Mulugheta of Athletes First.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Atlanta in flames
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:00:11 PM
I can't remember the last time I was this dumbfounded by something that happened in sports.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
The NFC is wide open. After Brady retires, Watson could have ruled that division. He could have done that in his home state in Atlanta or on a better roster in New Orleans. Instead, he chooses to go to Cleveland where he'll have to compete with Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and the Pittsburgh Steelers every year...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2022, 03:07:33 PM
The NFC is wide open. After Brady retires, Watson could have ruled that division. He could have done that in his home state in Atlanta or on a better roster in New Orleans. Instead, he chooses to go to Cleveland where he'll have to compete with Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and the Pittsburgh Steelers every year...

it's clearly about the money
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
it's clearly about the money

Clearly... freak him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 18, 2022, 03:10:32 PM
Browns give him the best chance of winning a Super Bowl. Falcons give him a better chance at winning a division.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2022, 03:12:44 PM
Browns have put an awful lot of resources on one thing going right. 

Dude just got 1/4 of a billion dollars guaranteed.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:20:22 PM
Browns give him the best chance of winning a Super Bowl. Falcons give him a better chance at winning a division.

How do the Browns give him the best chance of winning a Super Bowl?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on March 18, 2022, 03:20:48 PM
We are never making the playoffs.

Can we trade divisions?  Is that a thing?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on March 18, 2022, 03:21:08 PM
How do the Browns give him the best chance of winning a Super Bowl?
How don't they...
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2022, 03:22:51 PM
How do the Browns give him the best chance of winning a Super Bowl?

top 5 run game
solid oline
solid D
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:26:42 PM
The Saints have a top offensive line and defense, better weapons, and a clearer path to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:29:51 PM
I don't care what anyone says. Choosing the Browns is not about winning, it's about money.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2022, 03:30:23 PM
The Saints have an elite offensive line, a top defense, better weapons, and a clearer path to the Super Bowl.

Kamara is staring down a suspension
Michael Thomas hasn't played in 2 years
Sean Payton retired


i don't see it
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2022, 03:31:57 PM
Helluva contract for one of the biggest scumbags in the NFL
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 18, 2022, 03:35:01 PM
Kamara is staring down a suspension
Michael Thomas hasn't played in 2 years
Sean Payton retired


i don't see it

Clearly Watson did until the Browns threw $230M in his face.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2022, 03:35:37 PM
Imo the Browns have a far better roster/cap situation than the Saints and probably any other realistic trade candidate

But holy freak the NFC is in QB hell

The Cowboys might be the only team in the NFC who has a top 10 QB in 3 years (draft with standing)

Potentially the Cardinals too but Murray is on really freaking rocky grounds.

The Packers and Rams might be the two best teams in the league, but their windows are insanely short. And if you factor in this will probably be a lost year for any team Watson is on assuming he gets a suspension he earned
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 18, 2022, 03:39:45 PM
Mayfield:

‘the browns panick-traded/panick-paid watson after they freaked out about me breaking up with them.

Im going to leave this relationship becoming a better woman and ending up with a better guy.’
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2022, 04:01:32 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1504925684224999428

Man they really bent over for him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2022, 04:02:37 PM
Quote
BREAKING: AP source says QB Deshaun Watson has changed his mind and will accept a trade from Houston to the Cleveland Browns. He still faces legal woes over sexual misconduct claims made by 22 women.
 apne.ws/GragwIC

Gotta love the AP for the down to earth tweet.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
it's clearly about the money
Yeah.

Order of events must have been CLE was ruled out but then the public Baker breakup happened, CLE panicked and promised to guarantee Watson a bajillion dollars and he changed his mind.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2022, 04:23:40 PM
Mayfield:

‘the browns panick-traded/panick-paid watson after they freaked out about me breaking up with them.

Im going to leave this relationship becoming a better woman and ending up with a better guy.’
Beat me to it
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2022, 04:42:24 PM
Do it you freaking cowards.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1504927012711976965
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2022, 04:45:41 PM
Do it you freaking cowards.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1504927012711976965

suspend him for the season
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 18, 2022, 06:12:30 PM
suspend him for the season

Can they suspend him for 2023 instead? That way he is actually financially impacted?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2022, 08:05:52 PM
Texans played this like champs.

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1504963852949204999?s=21

They go from being a dyfunctional mess whose star QB wants out because they're run by lunatics, to trading him for king's ransom despite a large suspension hanging over his head because he's a horrible queynte and looking like the good guys.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 18, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
wtf kind of immoral deal is this. 45m signing bonus with 1m in base, which will be the amount that gets fined during the season when he gets suspended

haslam is evil. the browns literally hold no self-respect as an organization
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
wtf kind of immoral deal is this. 45m signing bonus with 1m in base, which will be the amount that gets fined during the season when he gets suspended

haslam is evil. the browns literally hold no self-respect as an organization

I wonder if the nfl has anything they can do to work around this.

Clearly this was manipulated to get around discipline.

I mean why not just have teams do this all the time to appease players (obviously in a way that benefits the team, ie leverage in extensions)

Oh you're gonna get suspended 6 games. Well let's convert your salary to a signing bonus.

If i was the nfl I'd really freak him in the derriere and suspend him one game for every woman he sexually assaulted.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 18, 2022, 08:43:09 PM
Goodell sucks but he has to know how bad of a look this is for the league right now.

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Jumbo on March 18, 2022, 08:59:04 PM
wtf kind of immoral deal is this. 45m signing bonus with 1m in base, which will be the amount that gets fined during the season when he gets suspended

haslam is evil. the browns literally hold no self-respect as an organization

It's a pretty common structure for big deals now that helps with cap flexibility... but it looks terrible in this situation
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on March 18, 2022, 09:23:33 PM
Imagine earning a living bending over spread-eagle in front of a Deshaun Watson..

Attn Nick Harris: clench

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2022, 09:52:10 PM
Goodell sucks but he has to know how bad of a look this is for the league right now.


I think you'd need the fans to start chanting something offensive during games to light a fire under the NFLs derriere

If they can chant freak Joe Biden, I don't see why they can't chant rapist when Watsons on the field

And I'm sure the NFLs sponsors would love nothing more than to watch thousands of people chanting rapist while broadcasting their logos to millions of people
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2022, 10:40:22 PM
The weirdos online underneath every DeShaun Watson post simping for him because he beat criminal charges are breaking my brain
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2022, 01:04:17 AM
The weirdos online underneath every DeShaun Watson post simping for him because he beat criminal charges are breaking my brain


Lebrons simping for him too.

He's all for his social causes, unless you're a Chinese slave or a woman asking for it
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 19, 2022, 03:08:12 PM
Pretty sure I'm going to be rooting against the Browns every game they play this season except for when they play Brady and our division rivals.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on March 19, 2022, 04:48:42 PM
Pretty sure I'm going to be rooting against the Browns every game they play this season except for when they play Brady and our division rivals.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/19/cleveland-browns-never-live-down-deshaun-watson

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2022, 01:53:30 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/19/cleveland-browns-never-live-down-deshaun-watson



I'm not dramatic like this

But the Browns were a team I could pull for, for the most part (though when Darnold Baker matched up I kinda hated them a bit) but now they're a bunch of cunts. I genuinely dislike that division as a whole. I suppose Vinci is a respectable team these days
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2022, 08:49:58 AM
Apparently they want a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Mayfield. That sounds ambitious for a player coming off an injury, with a questionable attitude, one year on his deal and a very limited market.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Apparently they want a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Mayfield. That sounds ambitious for a player coming off an injury, with a questionable attitude, one year on his deal and a very limited market.
That's essentially what we got for Darnold. There was one extra deal on Darnold's contract, but Baker was also the clearly better quarterback.

His attitude is only questionable because there were rumors for weeks that his job was going to be replaced, which turned out to be completely accurate
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2022, 09:24:41 AM
Apparently they want a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Mayfield. That sounds ambitious for a player coming off an injury, with a questionable attitude, one year on his deal and a very limited market.

they'll get it too (maybe more), because it's sellers market right now for QBs.

Seattle, Indy, potentially Atlanta, NO, Carolina....one of these poor bastard teams will pay the iron price.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2022, 09:27:01 AM
they'll get it too (maybe more), because it's sellers market right now for QBs.

Seattle, Indy, potentially Atlanta, NO, Carolina....one of these poor bastard teams will pay the iron price.

What viable starters are left on the FA/trade market?

Mayfield
Ryan
Garoppollo
Winston

Am I forgetting someone?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2022, 09:31:31 AM
What viable starters are left on the FA/trade market?

Mayfield
Ryan
Garoppollo
Winston

Am I forgetting someone?

I think that's it....ryan the only one not coming off an injury.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 20, 2022, 09:44:03 AM
I think that's it....ryan the only one not coming off an injury.

And also least likely to be available
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2022, 11:19:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1505571715312672771

Not really sure what they're trying to say here. "We know he's probably guilty of some pretty awful behaviour, sufficiently so that we've hedged his salary structure to ensure that any punishment levied by the league is as minimal is possible, but he said nice things to us in meetings and he throw football good so please buy tickets."
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2022, 12:27:11 PM
Call me cynical, but I'm pretty sure if most people were offered $230M guaranteed, they'd be willing to say or do whatever they needed to to secure that bag.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2022, 12:34:44 PM
https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/

No biggie, if the Browns aren't happy after this year, they can easily cut Watson for a meager $164 million dead cap hit and move on.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Gorilla on March 20, 2022, 02:20:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1505571715312672771

Not really sure what they're trying to say here. "We know he's probably guilty of some pretty awful behaviour, sufficiently so that we've hedged his salary structure to ensure that any punishment levied by the league is as minimal is possible, but he said nice things to us in meetings and he throw football good so please buy tickets."

The gist I got was "hey, here's some lawyer-approved stuff for fans to eat up while Jimmy continues to excrement on fans and your city! Specifically, the sadsack Clevelanders who weren't bright enough to just become Ravens fans! We are filthy rich trash people and if you think Jimmy H. hasn't done worse than Watson, you probably also think a magic, Jesus-related rabbit is coming to give you chocolates in a few weeks.
freak this team and it's already-crap reputation, freak Baker Mayfield, and freak you loser fans. Watson szn bitches!!"
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2022, 04:09:13 PM
Even if Watson somehow leads Cleveland to a Super Bowl win, it would be tainted.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 20, 2022, 06:14:34 PM
https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/

No biggie, if the Browns aren't happy after this year, they can easily cut Watson for a meager $164 million dead cap hit and move on.


How does something like that work if he doesn’t go to jail but becomes a pariah and Cleveland can’t put him in the field? If they have to extract themselves from that contract they will have to cut their entire roster just to get under the cap
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2022, 06:19:52 PM
How does something like that work if he doesn’t go to jail but becomes a pariah and Cleveland can’t put him in the field? If they have to extract themselves from that contract they will have to cut their entire roster just to get under the cap
It would be a tank so egregious that the league would probably install a draft lottery.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
It would be a tank so egregious that the league would probably install a draft lottery.

Nah, it's Cleveland. They'd draft a QB with the #1 pick that would be on the scrapheap by year 3. If they were going to institute a draft lottery to stop Cleveland tanking for the #1 pick and then ruining another QB they'd have done that years ago.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 21, 2022, 06:58:53 AM
And also least likely to be available

Au Contraire

Quote
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
 · 36m
The #Falcons fielded trade calls the last few days centered around QB Matt Ryan, sources say. Today is a deadline to make a decision, as Ryan will earn a $7.5M roster bonus from ATL if he’s on the roster at 4 pm. It’ll be either a trade or back to ATL, possibly with a sweetener.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 21, 2022, 07:41:43 AM
Au Contraire


I can't see them trading him without having gotten Watson. Unless Indy wants to trade a 2 this year and a 1 next year for Ryan, I can't see him not being a Falcon one more year. I can also see them being in the QB market if they really like Willis.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 21, 2022, 09:20:34 AM
I can't see them trading him without having gotten Watson. Unless Indy wants to trade a 2 this year and a 1 next year for Ryan, I can't see him not being a Falcon one more year. I can also see them being in the QB market if they really like Willis.

Sports Illustrated
@SInow
·
14m
Atlanta is still considering trading Matt Ryan
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2022, 09:38:52 AM
Sports Illustrated
@SInow
·
14m
Atlanta is still considering trading Matt Ryan
Wonder what their plan is at QB without him?  I can understand if they just don't want to pay him anymore, even without the alternative of Diddler Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
Wonder what their plan is at QB without him?

draft one
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2022, 10:00:50 AM
Garoppolo would be a decent fit in Atlanta.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2022, 10:38:15 AM
Garoppolo would be a decent fit in Atlanta.

They should just keep Matt Ryan and draft someone to develop behind him. 

Ryan is still pretty good and he's given everything to Atlanta. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2022, 10:47:16 AM
They should just keep Matt Ryan and draft someone to develop behind him. 

Ryan is still pretty good and he's given everything to Atlanta.
I get it, but they are paying Matt Ryan $49 million this year.  Are they ready to make a run this year?  I know you can't go into a season expecting to lose, but they aren't a SB contender that's ready to go all in.  Why not spend a lot less for a QB that is OK and draft a QB?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2022, 10:50:44 AM
I get it, but they are paying Matt Ryan $49 million this year.  Are they ready to make a run this year?  I know you can't go into a season expecting to lose, but they aren't a SB contender that's ready to go all in.  Why not spend a lot less for a QB that is OK and draft a QB?

What good does saving money in 2021 do them?  Who are they spending money on this season?  Free Agency is basically over.

If Tom Brady gets hurt, that division is wide open.  They aren't a Super Bowl contender, but they can compete with Matt Ryan.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
They should just keep Matt Ryan and draft someone to develop behind him. 

Ryan is still pretty good and he's given everything to Atlanta. 

I agree, but he's at the back end of his career and there's a fair few rumblings that he's not happy about the team going after Watson. It could be that he wants a shot with a contender.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2022, 11:04:27 AM
What good does saving money in 2021 do them?  Who are they spending money on this season?  Free Agency is basically over.

If Tom Brady gets hurt, that division is wide open.  They aren't a Super Bowl contender, but they can compete with Matt Ryan.
You can roll money to next year.  It isn't use it or lose it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2022, 06:06:29 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506029005601918986?t=QZcBAT5p1MEeeSzQhIMoXA&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 21, 2022, 06:47:58 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506029005601918986?t=QZcBAT5p1MEeeSzQhIMoXA&s=19

Not bad 3 1s, a 3, 2 4s and their souls for Watson.

With everything they gave up, if he isn’t QB Jesus they won’t have the assets to get cheap talent for 3 years. They might not have the cap space to buy FAs either
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2022, 06:59:07 PM
Still puzzled by the insistence of including a player's alma mater with their key info beyond their rookie season.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2022, 07:01:17 PM
They should just keep Matt Ryan and draft someone to develop behind him. 

Ryan is still pretty good and he's given everything to Atlanta. 

I think you have to factor in how competitive you are right now, and whether it makes sense to try to be more competitive in the future.

Optimally training a QB behind Ryan sounds great, but is Atlanta in a good position to get a good QB prospect? That said I'd think the compensation for Ryan would probably be my determining factor

Honestly trading Ryan and trading for Baker isn't a bad idea either. At least Baker is 26 and can grow. What's Ryan going to do for you?

Hell if Atlanta can get Baker for the same compensation or less than what they got for Ryan I'd consider that a win for the franchise
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2022, 07:03:03 PM
Still puzzled by the insistence of including a player's alma mater with their key info beyond their rookie season.

Houston was ready to send them DaShawn Watsen of DeVry if they hadn't specified.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2022, 01:02:04 PM
MarkMaske
@MarkMaske
·
1h
Attorney Tony Buzbee confirms that one of his clients is involved in a case in which a grand jury in Brazoria County, Tex., is considering a possible criminal charge against Deshaun Watson, as @fox8news
 and @JennyVrentas
 reported.



lol Cleveland
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on March 24, 2022, 01:05:36 PM
MarkMaske
@MarkMaske
·
1h
Attorney Tony Buzbee confirms that one of his clients is involved in a case in which a grand jury in Brazoria County, Tex., is considering a possible criminal charge against Deshaun Watson, as @fox8news
 and @JennyVrentas
 reported.



lol Cleveland
NYT reporting it as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/sports/football/deshaun-watson-texas-grand-jury.html

NYT: Second Texas grand jury considering sexual misconduct allegation against QB Deshaun Watson.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2022, 01:06:39 PM
If things go sideways they might need to pick up a free agent QB to cover while Watson's suspended. I hear Mayfield is probably available.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 24, 2022, 01:55:31 PM


If things go sideways they might need to pick up a free agent QB to cover while Watson's suspended. I hear Mike White is probably available.

Fyp
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2022, 01:58:24 PM

Fyp


Mike White is not a free agent. If the ask for Mayfield is a second then I want a first for White, because unlike Faker he is

- cheap
- willing to play for Cleveland
- not a queynte

They have Joe's phone number.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 24, 2022, 02:00:26 PM
Mike White is not a free agent. If the ask for Mayfield is a second then I want a first for White, because unlike Faker he is

- cheap
- willing to play for Cleveland
- not a queynte

They have Joe's phone number.
I didn't say he's a free agent, I said he's available.  Everyone is technically available.  Also I've had a few Coronas (not Coronitas).  Few = ??
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
Mike White is not a free agent. If the ask for Mayfield is a second then I want a first for White, because unlike Faker he is

- cheap
- willing to play for Cleveland
- not a queynte

They have Joe's phone number.

yes he is....he's an RFA tendered for a 5th rounder i believe.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2022, 02:25:28 PM
yes he is....he's an RFA tendered for a 5th rounder i believe.

He is not. Re-signed with the Jets on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2022, 02:26:43 PM
He is not. Re-signed with the Jets on Tuesday.

well...freak you then.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2022, 04:07:59 PM
Grand jury #2 declines to indict.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2022, 12:55:17 PM
https://twitter.com/pfootballchase/status/1507410071357169667?s=21

I can’t watch this guy speak without it embedded in my brain that he’s a serial jacker
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
Grand jury #2 declines to indict.

The complainant said Watson ejaculated on her in a Nov. 2020 massage.


Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1507413987780358144?t=B7rxz2IDWui51-L8tDntng&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2022, 12:58:06 PM
Quote
The only kind of excrement I wanna do with fame that’s decadent… is I wanna go to Vegas to the $5,000 blackjack table. And I don’t even wanna play. I wanna be such a big star that I can go up to one of the players in a tight hand… and put my dick on his shoulder. And I’m such a celebrity, they think it’s funny. ”Hey, what the freak? ”Oh, excrement, DeShaun Watson! ”Wow.” He gets on his cell phone: ”You are not gonna believe whose dick is on my shoulder right now. ”

-DeShaun Watson, Sports Illustrated interview 2019
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2022, 01:01:27 PM
-DeShaun Watson, Sports Illustrated interview 2019

It wasn't assault, he was just repeatedly dip-sticking his current level of stardom. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2022, 01:08:42 PM
-DeShaun Watson, Sports Illustrated interview 2019
I meant isn't this America?  These are basic rights.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 25, 2022, 02:15:29 PM
Quote
JPA Football @jpafootball
Update: @RapSheet says there is a scenario where Baker Mayfield doesn’t get traded, Watson gets suspended and Mayfield starts games for the team in 2022 in his place

What could go wrong?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2022, 02:51:09 PM
What could go wrong?
All the lols
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on March 25, 2022, 03:45:34 PM

Quote from: SixFeetDeep
The only kind of excrement I wanna do with fame that’s decadent… is I wanna go to Vegas to the $5,000 blackjack table. And I don’t even wanna play. I wanna be such a big star that I can go up to one of the players in a tight hand… and put my dick on his shoulder. And I’m such a celebrity, they think it’s funny. ”Hey, what the freak? ”Oh, excrement, DeShaun Watson! ”Wow.” He gets on his cell phone: ”You are not gonna believe whose dick is on my shoulder right now. ”

-DeShaun Watson, Sports Illustrated interview 2019
haha


(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGzL0pohWH4LAkM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2022, 09:41:09 PM
https://twitter.com/jpafootball/status/1508874184675540993?s=21&t=xy4_dvSiRdcsg36pS-rvRQ

This is just my opinion, but if you can’t see clear through this guy you are a freaking idiot
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on March 29, 2022, 09:49:25 PM
I have no idea If Zach will be a good NFL QB let alone one who ends up as successful as Watson was in Houston. But I am so damn glad that we had Zach this off-season when all of this went down with Watson. I know that winning comes with a price and often times most of the guys that wear our colors aren’t choir boys, but I am so damn glad I don’t have to root for this guy because he’s wearing our jerseys. That’s a cost I’m glad some other fan base has to deal with and not us.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on April 23, 2022, 01:06:12 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-reveals-baker-mayfield-statue-heisman-park-browns-020147003.html
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2022, 06:48:47 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-reveals-baker-mayfield-statue-heisman-park-browns-020147003.html
It looks like Robert Patrick.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2022, 05:23:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsRadio610/status/1532756778294845440
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 03, 2022, 06:19:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsRadio610/status/1532756778294845440

Without our resident expert any longer on the board, I'll just assume this guy knows what he's talking about
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2022, 07:25:34 PM
What is consent, anyway?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on June 06, 2022, 10:01:03 AM
Without our resident expert any longer on the board, I'll just assume this guy knows what he's talking about

It's literal prostitution my guy LMAO.

Hardin's an incredibly savvy and experienced attorney, I'm surprised he let this slip. Pretty sure he tried to backtrack but yeeeesh.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on June 06, 2022, 11:36:29 AM
Quote
Kalyn Kahler
@kalynkahler
 · 38m
24th plaintiff says that she stopped the massage after Watson got an erection, but that he continued to masturbate in front of her and then ejaculated, getting some on her chest and face. She says she quit massage therapy soon after.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2022, 12:11:45 PM


Is it just the lack of consent that gets him going? Like, he can probably pay for this exact thing without having it be sexual assault.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2022, 12:40:37 PM
It's literal prostitution my guy LMAO.

Hardin's an incredibly savvy and experienced attorney, I'm surprised he let this slip. Pretty sure he tried to backtrack but yeeeesh.

Yeah, I'm not sure that Hardin is doing the best job for his client right now.

https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1533840183958945792?s=20&t=pmSe6GKO2W-5RZnCxDTb8Q
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2022, 04:04:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas/status/1534257522630066176

hahaha baby yoga

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUrPk5RX0AEqXlc?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on June 07, 2022, 04:46:07 PM
Ban him for life
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2022, 04:50:45 PM
Holy excrement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/sports/football/deshaun-watson.html
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2022, 04:59:10 PM
If I were Mayfield right now, I don't know whether I would be excited to likely have a starting job for this year, or excited to extend a giant middle finger to the Browns organization and demand a trade, even if I don't have much of a chance to start anywhere else.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2022, 05:00:39 PM
If Watson's lawyer gets him out of this, they will build a Rusty Hardin statue in Cleveland
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: insanity on June 07, 2022, 05:04:49 PM
If Watson's lawyer gets him out of this, they will build a Rusty Hardon statue in Cleveland

Fyp
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on June 07, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
Imagine trading three first round picks for this dude and guaranteeing him a quarter bill. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2022, 05:37:32 PM
Imagine trading three first round picks for this dude and guaranteeing him a quarter bill.
I wonder if any of the guarantee can be voided with conduct violations. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2022, 05:38:39 PM
I wonder if any of the guarantee can be voided with conduct violations. 

They deliberately gave him a $1M salary in year 1 so that if he's suspended he doesn't lose anything (relatively speaking). So it seems unlikely.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on June 07, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
I wonder if any of the guarantee can be voided with conduct violations. 

Quote
Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio believes the Browns could void Deshaun Watson's contract if he's suspended for conduct related to the latest allegations against him.

Florio said Watson's contract with Cleveland -- which made him the highest paid player in NFL history -- "exempts from the standard default/guarantee void language a suspension imposed by the league" in connection with the known sexual assault allegations known to the team at the time of the signing. On Monday, a 24th lawsuit was filed against Watson for sexual assault, the second lawsuit against Watson in a week. Florio said "if Watson eventually is suspended for the conduct alleged in the 24th lawsuit, the Browns possibly will be able to void his guarantees and move on from him, and possibly to recover a significant portion of his signing bonus." Such a dramatic turn of events, Florio added, is hardly guaranteed. Such a move would allow the Browns to move on from Watson without him ever taking a snap for the team. The organization's public image has been tarnished whether or not Watson takes the field for the Browns. We could see the team make quick amends with Baker Mayfield if Watson is lost for the season -- or longer.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2022, 06:12:46 PM
Imagine trading three firsts for a player and then cutting him before he takes a snap. That might be the Brownsiest thing ever.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2022, 06:24:57 PM
Imagine trading three firsts for a player and then cutting him before he takes a snap. That might be the Brownsiest thing ever.
Yeah, those 3 first rounders make it pretty likely they'll just deal with the suspension he gets and welcome his taint-tickling derriere back.  The only way I could see different is if it's bigger than just a 1 year suspension.  I doubt that it will be unless he becomes subject to a criminal case.  I'm not lawyer, so I'm out of my league there.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2022, 11:19:59 AM
Imagine trading three firsts for a player and then cutting him before he takes a snap. That might be the Brownsiest thing ever.

I wonder if the Browns can somehow get out of the trade by arguing that the Texans somehow withheld/covered up information.

This whole thing sounds completely unprecedented

And I know the Texans have used some of the picks already, but it's a messed up scenario
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2022, 11:27:01 AM
I wonder if the Browns can somehow get out of the trade by arguing that the Texans somehow withheld/covered up information.

This whole thing sounds completely unprecedented

And I know the Texans have used some of the picks already, but it's a messed up scenario

They're not getting out of the trade, it's done and finished.

The suggestion is that the 24th case could enable the Browns to get out of the guarantees as only the first 23 were known at the time of the deal, and apparently 23 cases is no impediment to paying a rapist $230M to make football go brrr, but a 24th case is a step too far.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2022, 11:57:07 AM
They're not getting out of the trade, it's done and finished.

The suggestion is that the 24th case could enable the Browns to get out of the guarantees as only the first 23 were known at the time of the deal, and apparently 23 cases is no impediment to paying a rapist $230M to make football go brrr, but a 24th case is a step too far.

Laws don't have to fit ethics or even common sense.  Just technicalities.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2022, 12:12:32 PM
Laws don't have to fit ethics or even common sense.  Just technicalities.

I don't see the Browns doing it though. The damage is already done, and cutting him because they find a loophole doesn't fix their reputation any. Might as well commit to the whole shitty mess now and hope that in a few years he's performing well enough on the field to at least provide themselves with some kind of justification for it.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2022, 12:17:58 PM
I don't see the Browns doing it though. The damage is already done, and cutting him because they find a loophole doesn't fix their reputation any. Might as well commit to the whole shitty mess now and hope that in a few years he's performing well enough on the field to at least provide themselves with some kind of justification for it.

I agree.  They can't get the picks back anyway.  The Browns are somewhat shielded by the fact that he hasn't been convicted legally, so they can just hide behind that for now.  If he doesn't lose the lawsuit, fans will forget and he'll still be a star.  That's just reality.  The NFL isn't as lucky, they will have to punish him regardless of the legal outcome.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2022, 12:18:39 PM
The Browns are somewhat shielded by the fact that he hasn't been convicted legally, so they can just hide behind that for now.

No, they can't. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2022, 12:45:04 PM
No, they can't.
Why can't they?  Of course people are gonna excrement on the Browns, but they can tough this out and just say they are waiting for the investigation to play out.  Their fans overall won't stop being fans.  The NFL won't be able to wait. 

I just can't see the Browns doing anything before the legal crap plays out. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2022, 12:49:33 PM
They are losing fans over this
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
They are losing fans over this
If he plays well they will come back.  It won't matter.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2022, 12:00:13 PM
I agree.  They can't get the picks back anyway.  The Browns are somewhat shielded by the fact that he hasn't been convicted legally, so they can just hide behind that for now.  If he doesn't lose the lawsuit, fans will forget and he'll still be a star.  That's just reality.  The NFL isn't as lucky, they will have to punish him regardless of the legal outcome.

Trevor Bauer wasn't convicted either. That still hasn't stopped baseball from instituting a two year suspension.

For the Browns to pay the price they paid without having finality on this is just absolutely freaking amazing. Total organizational malpractice. And it's not like they were the only interested party!
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2022, 01:00:12 PM
Trevor Bauer wasn't convicted either. That still hasn't stopped baseball from instituting a two year suspension.

For the Browns to pay the price they paid without having finality on this is just absolutely freaking amazing. Total organizational malpractice. And it's not like they were the only interested party!

MLB is not NFL
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2022, 01:16:10 PM
MLB is not NFL

True, but you're just absolutely rolling out the red carpet to a PR nightmare by comparison with either no action or a light suspension.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2022, 01:23:26 PM
To be clear, I'm not arguing that the NFL shouldn't punish him now, I'm saying the Browns don't need to do anything before the NFL does.  People are shitting on the Browns for not doing anything yet as well as the NFL.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2022, 01:46:28 PM
,I'm saying the Browns don't need to do anything before the NFL does.  People are shitting on the Browns for not doing anything yet as well as the NFL.

I agree completely, If I were the Browns I'd do absolutely nothing. It's the NFL's job to hand down punishment. There's nothing to gain by being proactive on that front.

At the same time, I just question the wisdom of paying the price they did in picks and in dollars on a new contract to someone who has this much of a controversial situation hanging over their head. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2022, 01:49:35 PM
I agree completely, If I were the Browns I'd do absolutely nothing. It's the NFL's job to hand down punishment. There's nothing to gain by being proactive on that front.

At the same time, I just question the wisdom of paying the price they did in picks and in dollars on a new contract to someone who has this much of a controversial situation hanging over their head. 

I guess we'll find out when the punishment comes down.  You could argue that a punishment of anything less than a season is probably worth it strictly from a talent standpoint.  Fans find a way to get over all kinds of bad excrement players do.  It isn't right, but it's reality.  A couple of good years of play from him and fans will not only forget it, they will joke about it.  When has a fanbase ever completely turned on a team because they signed a douchebag that did horrible things?  They cry about it for a little bit then throw on their jersey and go to the stadium.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2022, 03:17:55 PM
To be clear, I'm not arguing that the NFL shouldn't punish him now, I'm saying the Browns don't need to do anything before the NFL does.  People are shitting on the Browns for not doing anything yet as well as the NFL.

People are shitting on the Browns for trading for him and giving him that incredible contract, including the sanction-skirting first year, not for not subsequently taking punitive action against him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2022, 03:21:55 PM
Things people are shitting on the Browns for:

1. Doing dumb Browns excrement
2. Doing dumb Browns excrement to the benefit of a man currently accused of sexual assault by 24 women.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 09, 2022, 03:23:50 PM
To be clear, I'm not arguing that the NFL shouldn't punish him now, I'm saying the Browns don't need to do anything before the NFL does.  People are shitting on the Browns for not doing anything yet as well as the NFL.

As JE said. People are shitting all over the Browns because they went all in on completely building their franchise around him.

They made one of the most expensive trades and gave one of the biggest contracts in the history of the league to the man, openly knowing everything about this case.

Hell to make matters freaking worse they had a fair decent maybe even pretty good young QB on a rookie contract at the time.

If the Browns had like Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick I could completely understand making the move for Watson as it would be pure desperation.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2022, 03:27:01 PM
As JE said. People are shitting all over the Browns because they went all in on completely building their franchise around him.

They made one of the most expensive trades and gave one of the biggest contracts in the history of the league to the man, openly knowing everything about this case.

Hell to make matters freaking worse they had a fair decent maybe even pretty good young QB on a rookie contract at the time.

If the Browns had like Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick I could completely understand making the move for Watson as it would be pure desperation.

Also true.  Browns had a bad case of FOMO at the time when there were several other teams hot to trot to sign him.  They weren't the only team ready to go all in on him (no pun intended).  I just don't think the Browns should be doing anything with Watson until the NFL discipline comes down.  Of course it was a bad idea.  I figured they knew something about the way the case was headed, but I guess not.  They obviously prepared for him to get suspended with the way that contract is laid out, so they were clearly fine with the compensation they gave up even with a suspension.  The question is whether he gets more than a year.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 09, 2022, 03:32:13 PM
Also true.  Browns had a bad case of FOMO at the time when there were several other teams hot to trot to sign him.  They weren't the only team ready to go all in on him (no pun intended).  I just don't think the Browns should be doing anything with Watson until the NFL discipline comes down.  Of course it was a bad idea.  I figured they knew something about the way the case was headed, but I guess not.  They obviously prepared for him to get suspended with the way that contract is laid out, so they were clearly fine with the compensation they gave up even with a suspension.  The question is whether he gets more than a year.

The Browns doing anything doesn't make any sense.

He didn't do anything while he was on their team, and they openly accepted everything he did when they traded for him.

The Browns have already shown they don't care, so at this point they're just going to keep their freaking mouth shut and let the NFL do its job.

You have to think the NFLs mind has to be on the post ray Rice aftermath, and how society has become quite a bit more invested in these kinds of things since then
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on June 14, 2022, 12:14:01 PM
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1536754025089187842?s=21&t=eU_IoWUTwivInmDLMCfBpw

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: mj2sexay on June 15, 2022, 12:37:41 AM
DeShaun Cosby. This is reaching a point of total ridiculousness.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2022, 08:34:15 AM
Why would you say this?

https://twitter.com/sportsboytony/status/1537475661123796992

I realise they're probably friends from his time in Houston but it doesn't seem like very smart PR.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 17, 2022, 02:34:40 PM
Why would you say this?

https://twitter.com/sportsboytony/status/1537475661123796992

I realise they're probably friends from his time in Houston but it doesn't seem like very smart PR.
Clearly they're friends and he wants to support his friend. Can't imagine many people are willing to support Watson in public like that, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2022, 05:47:49 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/06/17/deshaun-watson-case-nfl-to-seek-significant-suspension-full-season-report

Quote
A source close to the Watson’s side said that the NFL “probably” will go with a one-season suspension, per The Post. However, a different source close to the NFL’s side of the case said to be “careful” about a specific suspension length, but that the punishment will be “significant.”
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 20, 2022, 09:11:15 AM
Needs to be more than a year because he’ll appeal and get it reduced
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 20, 2022, 09:11:45 AM
Calvin Ridley got a year for placing a couple bets on FanDuel for fucks sake
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2022, 09:24:06 AM
Plus the Browns deliberately structured his contract so that it costs him virtually nothing to miss this year. That's such a cynical move that it deserves to be accounted for in the decision.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 20, 2022, 09:34:01 AM
Plus the Browns deliberately structured his contract so that it costs him virtually nothing to miss this year. That's such a cynical move that it deserves to be accounted for in the decision.

Totally agree. What concerns me is that the NFL is making the call and all they care about is revenue and not having their image tarnished.

I give a lot of credit to the MLB for doing the right thing with Bauer despite whatever they think the optics could have looked like.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2022, 09:50:18 AM
Totally agree. What concerns me is that the NFL is making the call and all they care about is revenue and not having their image tarnished.

I give a lot of credit to the MLB for doing the right thing with Bauer despite whatever they think the optics could have looked like.

I obviously don't follow baseball anything like as closely as you do, but I get the impression that the MLBPA isn't anything like as powerful and dogged as the NFLPA. The PA have already made it clear that they're going to dig in and fight this one hard, they already made it clear that they're going to use the NFL's failure to punish Snyder, Jones and Kraft as precedent.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
I obviously don't follow baseball anything like as closely as you do, but I get the impression that the MLBPA isn't anything like as powerful and dogged as the NFLPA. The PA have already made it clear that they're going to dig in and fight this one hard, they already made it clear that they're going to use the NFL's failure to punish Snyder, Jones and Kraft as precedent.
Have to imagine the MLBPA is more powerful considering the greater concessions they've won from their league compared to the NFL.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2022, 11:23:36 AM
Schefter:
Attorney Tony Buzbee announced in a statement that all but four of the civil lawsuits against Browns’ QB Deshaun Watson have been settled. He did not disclose the details of the settlement.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 21, 2022, 12:24:41 PM
Schefter:
Attorney Tony Buzbee announced in a statement that all but four of the civil lawsuits against Browns’ QB Deshaun Watson have been settled. He did not disclose the details of the settlement.
Payoff to try to avoid a layoff.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2022, 10:05:42 AM
Did Watson practice and be a part of OTAs and excrement last year?

All the latest rumors are that the expectation is he gets a full season suspension.

It does make me wonder if an NFL player can entirely be away from the game that long (ie not just injured, but completely away from film meetings practices etc) and come back at an elite level.

I mean you're talking about what, a 2.5 year hiatus or something?

Especially at a position like QB where you can't just get by with extreme physical talent
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on June 23, 2022, 11:57:13 AM
Did Watson practice and be a part of OTAs and excrement last year?

All the latest rumors are that the expectation is he gets a full season suspension.

It does make me wonder if an NFL player can entirely be away from the game that long (ie not just injured, but completely away from film meetings practices etc) and come back at an elite level.

I mean you're talking about what, a 2.5 year hiatus or something?

Especially at a position like QB where you can't just get by with extreme physical talent

I would think the quarterback position is probably the most forgiving of long-term absences, next to kickers/punters.  The hardest, IMO, are the ones where you need to stay absolutely rocked up from adolescence through retirement, like running back and linebacker.  We've seen guys like Le'Veon Bell and CJ Mosley come back into the fray after one-year+ absences, "in the best shape of their lives," and they clearly lost crucial steps.  We've also seen Michael Vick come back after a multi-year absence and he could still throw at a comparable level to before his prison term. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2022, 12:15:59 PM
I was just coming here after thinking about Vick.

And true Vick did miss two seasons as well.

However Vick is potentially the most physically gifted QB of all time. And he essentially had a redshirt year after returning to the league.I do think that redshirt year was absolutely paramount to Vicks return. But if Watson does nothing for the Browns until year 3? Yikes, that wouldn't go over well

Bell is a fair example, but RBs do have the shortest shelf life of any position out there.

But yes he did have a good first season as starter, but he was far from an Elite QB.

Watsons contract, trade compensation, and headaches
All essentially demand he comes in as nothing short of elite
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2022, 12:40:41 PM
What if jizzing over unwilling massage therapists was the key to keeping his quarterbacking skills balanced on the razor's edge of greatness?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2022, 01:11:18 PM
What if jizzing over unwilling massage therapists was the key to keeping his quarterbacking skills balanced on the razor's edge of greatness?
(https://c.tenor.com/jH6q2nop3f0AAAAC/summer-school-tension-breaker.gif)
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2022, 01:35:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Jake_Trotter/status/1541429130008207360
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on June 27, 2022, 02:42:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Jake_Trotter/status/1541429130008207360

good

now suspend Watson indefinitely and penalize Cleveland and Houston for this stupid derriere trade
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
good

now suspend Watson indefinitely and penalize Cleveland and Houston for this stupid derriere trade
Also suspend the Patriots for......something.  I don't care.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on June 27, 2022, 04:41:43 PM
Also suspend the Patriots for......something.  I don't care.
   Cole Strange, 1st round.   Penalty served.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2022, 11:37:31 PM
Also suspend the Patriots for......something.  I don't care.
Robert Kraft probably gave him advice on soliciting happy endings.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2022, 08:51:06 AM
I completely missed the ball on this whole thing being a cash chase.

But it's crazy to think people on here wanted to give 5 or 6 1st round picks for this dude.

That's enoguh to end your franchise for 10-15 years
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 28, 2022, 09:23:28 AM
Watson chose the Browns because they were the only team stupid enough to write him a blank check.

I feel sorry for the Browns' fans but everyone else involved in this situation deserves the absolute worst.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2022, 10:02:02 AM
I don't particularly hate the Browns more than any other team, I even feel a kinship with them since they've sucked as bad if not worse than us over the years. 

Just out of morbid curiosity I'd love to see them get stuck with the Watson contract and him get suspended indefinitely. I'd just be interested in seeing how the hell they can maneuver the cap with a $55 million cap hit without the player. 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on June 28, 2022, 10:42:36 AM
I completely missed the ball on this whole thing being a cash chase.

But it's crazy to think people on here wanted to give 5 or 6 1st round picks for this dude.

That's enoguh to end your franchise for 10-15 years

Some were OK giving up 3 to 4 firsts for him BEFORE any of the the allegations surfaced

Everyone just thought he was tired of playing in Houston
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2022, 10:44:31 AM
Some were OK giving up 3 to 4 firsts for him BEFORE any of the the allegations surfaced

Everyone just thought he was tired of playing in Houston

In reality he ran out of massage therapists in Texas who didn't know about his excrement, needed a new state to go and carry on randomly spaffing on unwilling women.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Gorilla on June 28, 2022, 12:45:50 PM
In reality he ran out of massage therapists in Texas who didn't know about his excrement, needed a new state to go and carry on randomly spaffing on unwilling women.

TIL the word spaffing. Thank you.

It's not as fun as "skeet", but I always appreciate expanding my vocabulary.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2022, 01:52:58 PM
In reality he ran out of massage therapists in Texas who didn't know about his excrement, needed a new state to go and carry on randomly spaffing on unwilling women.

I don’t see that happening without the Texans helping to cover it up.

I was in the group willing to give up our and Seattle’s first round picks before this excrement came out. So glad it never happened.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2022, 02:03:59 PM
I don’t see that happening without the Texans helping to cover it up.

I was in the group willing to give up our and Seattle’s first round picks before this excrement came out. So glad it never happened.
Pretty much every move I ever wanted to make would have been or was bad.  I'm so glad I'm not the GM.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on June 28, 2022, 02:06:00 PM
I don’t see that happening without the Texans helping to cover it up.

I was in the group willing to give up our and Seattle’s first round picks before this excrement came out. So glad it never happened.

Count me amongst the people who believed he was a disgruntled dickhead who wanted out. I would have tossed them 3 1s over 2 years to get him as well. But given he’s actually one of the shittiest non murdering human beings alive I’m quite glad to say he is not a Jet.

Yes I am aware there are worse levels of crime between what he’s doing and murder, but it’s not many and I’m still plenty happy to say he’s not one of us
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on August 01, 2022, 06:32:54 AM
Watson’s $ettled with three of his four remaining civil cases leading up to today’s expected ’will he or won’t he play’ decision.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBarrESPN/status/1553962422687436800

edit: 6 games.   smh
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 01, 2022, 05:16:42 PM
yeah something's off about all of this

nfl all about the bottom line / end product which entails having the 'best' players available on the field

nfl historically bad with and criticized for decisions like these dating back to ray rice

enlist a female judge to determine punishment, who releases a statement that makes zero sense when taking into account the punishment doled out vs the verbage she herself uses to describe watson's actions, ultimately defaulting to 'precedent' in terms of punishment for sexual misconduct lol. fvcking cop out

also describes watson's sexual harassment as 'non-violent', which is about as oxymoron as you can get and isn't an actual thing lmfaoo. i guess in her mind she can give watson some leeway as he wasn't trevor bauer-ing these masseuses

at the end of the day goodell works for the owners

nfl can say the decision was given by a female judge, and i highly doubt they appeal the decision as it would undercut the new system they are trying to implement RE punishment. they can say their hands are tied

reeks of fish smell all around
 
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on August 01, 2022, 07:06:20 PM
If only they had punished Kraft and Irsay they “could” have dropped the hammer on Watson
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on August 01, 2022, 07:58:14 PM
To be fair to Kraft, which obviously none of us want to be, his offense was at least a financial transaction willingly entered into by both parties. 24 counts of sexual assault is in a completely different league.

Irsay did some dumb things while in the grips of addiction, none of which were sexual assault. He actually received a bigger punishment than Watson - same number of games, plus a $500K fine.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on August 02, 2022, 06:46:40 AM
^ Kraft: mid-70's widow paying for a handjob?  no charges.

Deshaun: fry him in oil
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 02, 2022, 03:13:24 PM
Some were OK giving up 3 to 4 firsts for him BEFORE any of the the allegations surfaced

Everyone just thought he was tired of playing in Houston
This. And even when the accusations were initially made, it was possible to say it was some kind of sour grapes from Houston folks. Everything we had heard about Watson prior to this was that he was a model citizen and quarterback and leader, so you wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially since the timing was sketchy.

And given the Jets draft capital and need at quarterback, I stand by that it was something the Jets should have been interested in. We had the cap space and the extra draft capital where we could have afforded it, and Watson was a proven commodity as a quality player.

Once it became clear the accusations were legitimate, it became a no-brainer to take a QB at 2.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 02, 2022, 03:22:45 PM
I'm not really sure what the NFL is supposed to do here. How long can you realistically suspend someone based purely on accusations and nothing actually proven? Obviously, Watson DESERVES more than 6 games based on what he likely did. He probably doesn't deserve to ever play again. But that's not really realistic for the NFL to hand down that kind of a ban on a whim.

Ideally, the teams wouldn't acquire these types of players, and that's how these players would get punished, but talent always outweighs baggage if you're talented enough.

Once the NFL tried to start policing off-field stuff with suspensions, they are going to look like hypocrites with suspension lengths. Alvin Kamara will be another example. It seems like he'll play this year without a punishment because that case is getting delayed. But you know if the video of his actions was ever leaked publicly, he would get an immediate suspension. There's no good way for the NFL to do this.

I blame the Browns far more than the NFL. The way that contract is structured is disgusting, and they could have made the decision not to acquire him.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on August 03, 2022, 03:26:33 PM
No surprise, NFL appealing the 6-game decision

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-appeal-browns-qb-deshaun-watson-s-six-game-suspension

Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on August 03, 2022, 06:41:42 PM
I’m sure that the NFLPA will now sue the league over this and then it will enter arbitration and Watson will be playing week 2.

If that ends up happening and he gets tied up in court this year, if he gets suspended next year, he actually would lose tangible money, so in terms of a “financial Justice” that would be better.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on August 18, 2022, 10:59:54 AM
NFL and Watson reach settlement. Suspended for 11 games and 5 mil dollar fine. Watson will be back for week 13 against the Texans.

as per @RapSheet
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2022, 11:36:57 AM
NFL and Watson reach settlement. Suspended for 11 games and 5 mil dollar fine. Watson will be back for week 13 against the Texans.

as per @RapSheet

lmao

Goodell sucks
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2022, 12:31:33 PM
edit: nvm
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on August 18, 2022, 12:59:23 PM
^ dude...why?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: reuben on August 18, 2022, 01:26:59 PM
^ dude...why?

delaglyphics
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2022, 02:04:33 PM
delaglyphics

perfection
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2022, 09:02:00 AM
https://twitter.com/kylebrandt/status/1560601235778334720?s=21&t=0Kigd1XoVCsOpQfY0hGKBQ
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on August 19, 2022, 05:39:03 PM
Good for him
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: delavan on August 20, 2022, 04:38:52 PM
^ dude...why?
I was in an expansive mood at the time?  I dunno, anyway:

edit: the pix are gone.

https://twitter.com/katie_falls/status/1531848501532950528

https://twitter.com/treglangley/status/1504988159129628672


       
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2022, 04:47:51 PM
Why?  Why not?

What is this, the Smithsonian?  Too puerile?  Not up to JO 'adult' standards?  Ok, my bad, I'll get rid of the Deshsaun pix (but I hope you don't mind if I keep the Watson Foundation and Emily Watson and Johnny "Guitar" Watson and Bubba Watson and Tom Watson and Emma Watson and Doc Watson and Dr. Watson). 


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Watson_Logo.jpg/320px-Watson_Logo.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Emily_Watson_2016_%281%29.jpg/174px-Emily_Watson_2016_%281%29.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Johnny_Guitar_Watson_1976.jpg/190px-Johnny_Guitar_Watson_1976.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/BubbaWatson02.jpg/114px-BubbaWatson02.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/2008_Open_Championship_-_Tom_Watson.jpg/160px-2008_Open_Championship_-_Tom_Watson.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Emma_Watson_2013.jpg/179px-Emma_Watson_2013.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Doc_Watson_Sugar_Grove.jpg/159px-Doc_Watson_Sugar_Grove.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Sherlock_Holmes_and_the_Secret_Weapon_2.jpg/304px-Sherlock_Holmes_and_the_Secret_Weapon_2.jpg)

edit: https://twitter.com/katie_falls/status/1531848501532950528

       
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Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
https://twitter.com/papamace69/status/1561551079115919360?s=21&t=1kYiCDD5yz-_-rEuOH0lrw
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
Good for him

U wot, m8?
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2022, 09:22:51 AM
U wot, m8?

I think Libero was talking about Kyle Brandt's rant.
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Libero_2 on August 22, 2022, 03:31:10 PM
I think Libero was talking about Kyle Brandt's rant.

I was indeed talking about Brandts rant
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2022, 09:52:36 PM
https://twitter.com/camijustice/status/1580715740185112576?t=ZV7dbWHneGdYKTwHaSEZMg&s=19
Title: Re: The Saga of Deshaun Watson
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2022, 12:16:29 AM
freak this guy....

One step above a rapist but 30 plus times and he gets 11 games. The NFL is a joke.

If anyone here did this,  you could look up his derriere and see sky. Throw a Football well don't worry ....


Although most here you already can ...