Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2021, 08:38:04 AM
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“Saleh runs a 4-3 base, predominantly zone. It's the Seattle/Pete Carroll system; lot of Cover-3.”
Cimini
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Quinnen gonna eat
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Plz post scheme and D Coord news in here, will update thread title accordingly (but just as dumb)
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Bring in all the secondary guys from San Francisco, starting with K'Waun Williams (a New Jersey native)
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Bring in all the secondary guys from San Francisco, starting with K'Waun Williams (a New Jersey native)
Starting with Whiskey Tartt
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Sign Richard Sherman to a one year deal
Draft Israel Mukuamu (South Carolina) or Paulson Adebo (Stanford) in the third round
Profit
COVER 3 is back
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Bring in all the secondary guys from San Francisco, starting with K'Waun Williams (a New Jersey native)
We need basically a new secondary.
I'll be curious to see Maye and Davis in this scheme. Both seem to excel (relatively speaking) dropping back more than attacking the LOS.
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Ashtyn Davis is an ideal fit in the Cover 3. He's intelligent and he's fast as hell.
Marcus Maye earned his right to stay in New York and I think Joe Douglas values him in the locker room, but Saleh might prefer to go get Tartt.
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Isnt Bryce Hall a good fit for this defense?
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Isnt Bryce Hall a good fit for this defense?
Hall is a better fit in Cover 2 than Cover 3, but I think he's good enough to be a CB2 in this scheme.
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Ashtyn Davis is an ideal fit in the Cover 3. He's intelligent and he's fast as hell.
Marcus Maye earned his right to stay in New York and I think Joe Douglas values him in the locker room, but Saleh might prefer to go get Tartt.
I'd be surprised if the combo of Maye/Tartt isn't workable financially. 3 safety rotation would probably we useful for us anyways.
Besides I'm ready to be done with Matthias Farley aka the new Rontez Miles.
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Besides I'm ready to be done with Matthias Farley aka the new Rontez Miles.
At least Farley is actually good on special teams. Miles was ugly as hell and he couldn't play.
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At least Farley is actually good on special teams. Miles was ugly as hell and he couldn't play.
Thats true.
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Hall is a better fit in Cover 2 than Cover 3, but I think he's good enough to be a CB2 in this scheme.
Ah, right. Well a better fit than Gregg’s defense I assume.
Veteran (Sherman) at CB1
Poole at Slot CB
Bryce Hall and mid round rookie to compete for CB2
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Ah, right. Well a better fit than Gregg’s defense I assume.
Veteran (Sherman) at CB1
Poole at Slot CB
Bryce Hall and mid round rookie to compete for CB2
Hall was actually a perfect fit in Gregg's scheme. It was pure Tampa 2.
I say sign Williams and let Poole go. Much better fit than Poole.
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No more Austin with the Kyle Wilson finger wag in between giving up stupid penalties will be an upgrade.
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“Robert Saleh says the Jets will be a 4-3 defense.
There will be some 3-4 principals, but it’s majority of a 4-3 front.”
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How involved will he be in the defense?
Is our DC going to be a true DC, or are we looking at a scenario similar to Gase/Rex/Bowles where Saleh is acting as a defacto playcaller on one side of the ball?
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How involved will he be in the defense?
Is our DC going to be a true DC, or are we looking at a scenario similar to Gase/Rex/Bowles where Saleh is acting as a defacto playcaller on one side of the ball?
Salad said the DC would call the defense.
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Salad said the DC would call the defense.
Now that is fantastic
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Ngl I’m worried about the depth at CB and LB.
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Ngl I’m worried about the depth at CB and LB.
I trust Bob Salad and his defense until he gives me a reason not to.
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I'm fine with LB until we have to rely on Blake Cashman staying healthy.
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https://twitter.com/pff_mike/status/1435315560879886345?s=21
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https://twitter.com/pff_mike/status/1435315560879886345?s=21
Douglas and Saleh are either going to look like genius' in a few months... or we're going to give up a record breaking total in passing yards.
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Bryce Hall, Michael Carter II, and Brandon Echols are all ranked within the top 35 CBs by PFF, 93 qualifiers.
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Panthers quarterback Sam Darnold threw 15 passes in which a Jets cornerback was the primary defender, according to Pro Football Focus. Nine of those were completed for a measly 77 yards (5.1 per target), four first downs (29% of passes), and zero touchdowns.
The average of 5.1 yards per target allowed by New York’s cornerback unit was the third-best mark of any cornerback unit in the NFL in Week 1, trailing only the 49ers (5.0) and Eagles (4.4).
Here are the coverage numbers of the four Jets cornerbacks to play against the Panthers:
Bryce Hall (LCB): 37 coverage snaps, 1/2 passing for 9 yards and 1 first down
Brandin Echols (RCB): 29 coverage snaps, 3/5 passing for 26 yards and 1 first down
Michael Carter II (SCB): 20 coverage snaps, 3/5 passing for 17 yards and 1 first down
Javelin Guidry: (RCB): 12 coverage snaps, 2/3 passing for 25 yards and 1 first down
The starting trio of Hall (outside left), Echols (outside right), and Carter II (slot) was excellent. They combined to allow 7-of-12 passing for 52 yards (4.3 per target) and three first downs (25% rate).
Guidry struggled a bit as the Jets’ fourth corner, handling a new role as he played right cornerback instead of the slot role he manned in 2020 and throughout the 2021 offseason. Over a limited number of snaps, he let up a 27-yard first down to D.J. Moore and should have given up another big first down but lucked out as Moore dropped an easy catch over the middle.
Hall held the fort down tremendously as the Jets’ left cornerback and No. 1 player at the position.
Playing a team-high 37 snaps in coverage and staying on the field for all 64 defensive snaps (with all 64 coming on the left side of the defense), Hall allowed a nine-yard first down to Christian McCaffrey in the first quarter and never gave up another the catch over the rest of the game. His average of 0.24 yards allowed per cover snap ranked seventh-best among the 64 cornerbacks to play at least 30 snaps in coverage.
Echols was the Jets’ right cornerback and No. 2 player on the depth chart, playing 46 defensive snaps (72% of the snaps). All of his snaps came on the right side of the defense. He gave up a 13-yard first down to D.J. Moore on a back-shoulder throw in the first quarter and never yielded another chain-mover in the game over four ensuing targets.
Carter II was challenged often in the slot. When lined up in the slot, he saw a target once every 3.8 snaps in coverage, which ranked as the fourth-most-frequent rate among 38 qualified slot defenders in Week 1.
But the rookie made Carolina pay for testing him. He allowed a passer rating of 66.3 across five targets in his direction, ranking sixth-best among slot defenders.
The greatest aspect of the unit’s performance is how fundamentally sound it was. The four cornerbacks combined for zero penalties and zero missed tackles. They were one of only five cornerback units to accomplish that in Week 1.
In addition, the Jets’ cornerback unit was one of only two to combine for zero touchdowns allowed, zero penalties, and zero missed tackles. The other features the most expensive cornerback duo in the NFL – the Miami Dolphins’ unit headlined by Xavien Howard and Byron Jones.
Nania
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So the secondary was good and the offensive line was bad, like we were all expecting.
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That sounds great, but the opposing QB was Sam Darnold.
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Jets Defensive Rankings
Total: 10
Run: 14
Pass: 10
Scoring: 14
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Saleh's defense has been mostly as advertised.
I would like to see how they do when the offense can actually threaten other teams. My dad has often theorized in recent years that the Jets defense looks better statistically than it really is because teams are so unthreatened by the Jets offense that they play conservatively because they know if they don't make huge mistakes, our offense can't beat them.
But the early returns are strong, especially considering the youth and the injuries. As Q continues to ramp up, the Davis brothers return, and the young players get experience, hopefully it improves as the year goes on.
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Jets Defensive Rankings
Total: 10
Run: 14
Pass: 10
Scoring: 14
pretty respectable...considering we're 0-3.
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Ethan Greenberg
#Jets 5th-round pick Michael Carter II was PFF's top-graded rookie CB in Week 3 (76.4).
September 28, 2021 4:00pm EDT
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PFF NY Jets
Highest graded #Jets on defense through three games (min. 75 snaps) 1 Folorunso Fatukasi, DT: 78.6 2 John Franklin-Myers, EDGE: 73.4 3 Bryce Huff, EDGE: 71.9 4 Michael Carter II, CB: 71.1 5 Bryce Hall, CB: 64.2
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Play Like A Jet
@Playlikeajet1
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Through 4 games 2021 #NFL team sack leaders:
1. Carolina Panthers - 14
2. Chicago Bears - 14
3. Cleveland Brown - 14
4. New York #Jets - 13
Nobody in their right mind would've predicted this after Carl Lawson got hurt. Just astounding.
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I think it’s a fairly safe bet that we just had our highest single game sack output of the season. So I’d say due to small sample size we are a bit inflated. Now if we can get another 4-5 sack performance against the Falcons I’ll be a believer in our pass rush being a true thing
I’d like to see us go against David Quessenberry every week, but that seems fairly unlikely
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10th in Run Stop Win Rate
10th in Pass Rush Win Rate
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Giving up 31.4 pts per game, last in the NFL
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Jets Defensive Rankings
Total: 10
Run: 14
Pass: 10
Scoring: 14
What happened
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What happened
The bye week.
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The bye week.
We were giving up 24.2 ppg before the bye and have given up 43.3 ppg since, but the standard of the offenses we've faced in the last three games is much higher. I'm not sure the bye week itself really made much of a difference.
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We were giving up 24.2 ppg before the bye and have given up 43.3 ppg since, but the standard of the offenses we've faced in the last three games is much higher. I'm not sure the bye week itself really made much of a difference.
Well we have the 2nd easiest schedule in the league from here on out.
So if the defense is still choking on a big dick there's no excuses
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We were giving up 24.2 ppg before the bye and have given up 43.3 ppg since, but the standard of the offenses we've faced in the last three games is much higher. I'm not sure the bye week itself really made much of a difference.
Bye Week
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https://twitter.com/pff_moo/status/1609895590170710016?s=46&t=u9CSyyonWRUJjaM0zrsmYQ
Defense was legit this year
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Quinnen played at an elite level. Sauce and Reed played at extremely high levels. And the weak spots were relatively decent most of the year.
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Quinnen played at an elite level. Sauce and Reed played at extremely high levels. And the weak spots were relatively decent most of the year.
Sauce was elite
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Sauce was elite
Someone post that Sauce graphic from earlier where he’s top left by miles.
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A better coverage safety and/or LB to keep TEs from destroying us and we're looking really good next year.
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A better coverage safety and/or LB to keep TEs from destroying us and we're looking really good next year.
Depending on what we do in free agency, Brian Branch is the prospect I want most in this draft class.
Safety/Nickel/Linebacker Hybrid
We'd have to upgrade OL and WR in free agency to consider him. The close we are to the Top 10 matters too. It's still very early but for me, Branch is a Top 5 overall prospect but his position value will cause him to slide a bit.
He's the kind of prospect that can have a Sauce-like impact from Day 1. Physical ballhawk, sure tackler, team leader.
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Saleh/Ulbrich return in 2023 and our realstic top defensive prospect targets should be:
Brian Branch - DB - Alabama
Trenton Simpson - LB - Clemson
Drew Sanders - LB - Arkansas
Tyree Wilson - EDGE - Texas Tech
Isaiah Foskey - EDGE - Notre Dame
Siaki Ika - DT - Baylor
Bryan Bresee - DT - Clemson
It's much more likely we'll go OL or WR (maybe TE) early though.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1612507876773224457?t=tiXWG6JJBVn6DHQuYVZ5jw&s=19
Perhaps "Start" would be a better shirt.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1612507876773224457?t=tiXWG6JJBVn6DHQuYVZ5jw&s=19
Perhaps "Start" would be a better shirt.
Finished*
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1612507876773224457?t=tiXWG6JJBVn6DHQuYVZ5jw&s=19
Perhaps "Start" would be a better shirt.
"Do Something"
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"Score Points"
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"Use Timeouts"
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Finished*
This one is hanging outsid of MLF's office
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This one is hanging outsid of MLF's office
hopefully
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https://twitter.com/iamSauceGardner/status/1613205718278053889?s=20&t=o0vI91mUWNZal6PfgrJ9GQ
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https://twitter.com/iamSauceGardner/status/1613205718278053889?s=20&t=o0vI91mUWNZal6PfgrJ9GQ
Teams probably also don't need to throw as much against a team that scored 20 points or less in 11 games and surely spent more time just running down the clock
Though we somehow were still very middle of the pack when it came to pass attempts against us
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WTF, running down the clock? It's not like we were blown out in the games we lost.
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WTF, running down the clock? It's not like we were blown out in the games we lost.
There were multiple games this season where teams made a ton of overly conservative play calls and 4th-down decisions, presumably because they didn't think we could move the ball.
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https://twitter.com/BradCongelio/status/1621989277276987394?t=aej0_r3MXRS4Do3Ljx0XTw&s=19
No idea who this is or if it's accurate, but if so, that's pretty impressive. One one hand, being able to get pressure with very little blitzing is awesome. On the other hand, did getting that much pressure without blitzing make the secondary look better than they actually were? Since we didn't send extra players, they were able to hang back and defend the pass. We also were able to do it by investing a lot of manpower in that d-line. Can we keep doing that in absence of good drafting?
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(https://i.redd.it/oeg1sy7amwsa1.png)
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That seems good.
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https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1656353117364174848?s=20
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https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1656353117364174848?s=20
My main concern is that we played against so many shitty QBs last season. I think we'll still be really good defensively, but we definitely got lucky with the QBs we faced in 2022.
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My main concern is that we played against so many shitty QBs last season. I think we'll still be really good defensively, but we definitely got lucky with the QBs we faced in 2022.
Yeah I expect a slight regression . Top 10 without a doubt but top 3 may be hard .
We also were uncharacteristically healthy on D minus Rankins and Q a few games.
Fingers crossed.
But Rodgers should help offset some of this since we won't have the worst qb play in the league leaving them on the field all day lol
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People mentioned Rogers meh 2022 season as being only a year or so removed from MVP caliber; the 2022 Jets defense was only a year removed from bottom rung Sauce or no Sauce. I just hope our top 15 pick doesn’t turn out to be solely a frequently rotated situational pass rusher (vs. e.g. a new QB friendly OL upgrade).
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My main concern is that we played against so many shitty QBs last season. I think we'll still be really good defensively, but we definitely got lucky with the QBs we faced in 2022.
On the other hand, our anemic offense meant our D was on the field all day, so I think that evens things out.
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Rodgers and Morstead should help our defense out a lot this season.
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We lost 7 games by one score or less last season. With the QB change and regression to the mean, we should be fine.
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https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1656320818152865798 (https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1656320818152865798)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvxufIWWwAEOBII?format=png&name=medium)
Deepest, though? Give me Clemons and Huff (unlisted) against any bottom duo other the Eagles'.
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Marcus Davenport is terrible. What is that guy smoking?
the best units are Philly, San Francisco, and us
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Not sure we have the high-end talent to be a top-5 unit here. That's another reason I like the McDonald pick. Lawson is fine but not a star. Jermaine looks like he'll be good, but I don't see him as a Pro Bowler. JFM is a good player but again, not a premier edge rusher.
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I'm eager to see what Lawson can do another year removed from his Achilles tear.
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It’s pretty obvious that we’re strong at Edge and CB. What’s the Achilles heel of this D?
1) Stopping the run?
2) overall safety play?
3) linebacker coverage?
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It’s pretty obvious that we’re strong at Edge and CB. What’s the Achilles heel of this D?
1) Stopping the run?
2) overall safety play?
3) linebacker coverage?
What if it doesn't have one and it just legitimately crushes every offense we face this year?
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It’s pretty obvious that we’re strong at Edge and CB. What’s the Achilles heel of this D?
1) Stopping the run?
2) overall safety play?
3) linebacker coverage?
LB depth
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LB depth
One of the starting spots is iffy too
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What’s with Micheal Clemons?
http://www.jetsfix.com/in-depth-analysis-jets-panthers-part-2-defense/amp/
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What’s with Micheal Clemons?
He's a lock and a key rotational player. Saleh is trying to let the interior depth guys battle it out.
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It’s pretty obvious that we’re strong at Edge and CB. What’s the Achilles heel of this D?
1) Stopping the run?
2) overall safety play?
3) linebacker coverage?
I'm going to go with Linebacker coverage...especially when it comes to TEs.
This seems to bite us in the derriere on an annual basis.
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He's a lock and a key rotational player. Saleh is trying to let the interior depth guys battle it out.
Good and thx, was just hoping he was ok. Was aware that he’s bulked up for a move to the inside.
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One of the starting spots is iffy too
in b4 Mykal Walker's uber drives up to Florham Park on Hard Knocks.
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I'm going to go with Linebacker coverage...especially when it comes to TEs.
We're pretty inconsistent against tight ends.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/jets-game-log-vs-tight-ends
I think our safeties deserve some blame here too.
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I think our run defense needs to prove itself. I'm not worried about it, but I also don't know if that will be a major strength.
We also were burned a few times by deep balls last season with bad safety play. Our safeties need to be more consistent in coverage and in tackling.
Both our linebackers and safeties also contribute to tight ends being OK against us. But I think part of that is exacerbated because our cornerbacks are so damn good that teams don't want to throw at them.
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Forgot about our safeties. That group has a lot to prove.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-cb-dj-reed-says-their-defense-will-be-as-good-or-better-than-the-1985-chicago-bears-215441885.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-cb-dj-reed-says-their-defense-will-be-as-good-or-better-than-the-1985-chicago-bears-215441885.html
Writer spin. He said we CAN be that good, not we WILL be that good. But it won't stop anyone from running with that BS. Prime example of why players should follow the Belichick method of saying nothing.
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Writer spin. He said we CAN be that good, not we WILL be that good. But it won't stop anyone from running with that BS. Prime example of why players should follow the Belichick method of saying nothing.
There's a good argument for grey-rocking the media but it's also on fans to have a basic level of media literacy that can recognize spin.
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There's a good argument for grey-rocking the media but it's also on fans to have a basic level of media literacy that can recognize spin.
Yeah, this is just a headline writer being careless (or trying to get more clicks).
"Can" should be used instead of "Will" but whatever.
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Not really Saleh's defense specifically, but this is an interesting and insightful breakdown of quarters coverage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMShlZV9GLE&ab_channel=ThinkingFootball
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So far the only QB to have a legitimately good game against us was Dak.
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So far the only QB to have a legitimately good game against us was Dak.
Honestly…
Allen 3 INTs
Mahomes 2 (should have been 3) INTs
Hurts 3 INTs
And in each game, we freaking dropped ANOTHER one. It’s insane how good this defense is. And today, despite no Sauce or DJ Reed we balled out. And I am freaking shocked to see it.
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We're going to lose Jeff Ulbrich this offseason
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We're going to lose Jeff Ulbrich this offseason
It’s a real possibility. Only reason we might not would be if teams go offensive HC instead of defensive.
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2 games with at least 1 corner down....next guys stepped up. I think we have silently found some good corner depth.or at least schemed to where it doesn't matter.
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I actually don't think we'll lose Ulbrich yet. Lots of good defenses in the NFL, and I don't know if the Jets are the organization you want to be hiring guys from. And offensive coaches will always get hired first.
Granted, if we go like 11-6 or something, he's probably gone.
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2 games with at least 1 corner down....next guys stepped up. I think we have silently found some good corner depth.or at least schemed to where it doesn't matter.
I don't think Bryce being good is particularly surprising
I can't imagine us being able to keep him either though
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I don't think Bryce being good is particularly surprising
He disappeared for a couple of years and didn't play well when he did.....until this year.
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We're going to lose Jeff Ulbrich this offseason
We need to find out who was slandering Coach Beans and hire them
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He disappeared for a couple of years and didn't play well when he did.....until this year.
Easy to disappear when you draft Sauce and sign DJ Reed
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If anyone finds a picture of saleh doing the quincy celebration on the sidelines please post it here. That was awesome.
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We're going to lose Jeff Ulbrich this offseason
It's time for Ulbrich to wear blackface so we can get two third round picks
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If anyone finds a picture of saleh doing the quincy celebration on the sidelines please post it here. That was awesome.
https://twitter.com/BubbaBranagan/status/1713727169166192825?t=r0YjJZmOXOb39rl0XwVC-Q&s=19
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We had a total of 16 turnovers all season last year. After six weeks we have 13.
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We're going to lose Jeff Ulbrich this offseason
Give him the Dan Quinn deal
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We're going to lose Jeff Ulbrich this offseason
I'm fine with this...promote Tony Oden.
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I'm fine with this...promote Tony Oden.
Would it be Oden or Whitecotton?
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Would it be Oden or Whitecotton?
Did I stutter?
#TeamOden
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https://x.com/zazzyjets/status/1715017418077049129?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/zazzyjets/status/1715017418077049129?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Maybe the zebras will finally understand how special this team--at the very least the defense--and start calling games more fairly.
Sorry, I fell asleep and had the weirdest dream. What was I saying?
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https://x.com/zazzyjets/status/1715017418077049129?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
(https://media.tenor.com/LwLpngEMlAsAAAAC/rounders-teddykgb.gif)
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From Randy Lange
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231022/36eafcf53876b8b8e3f2bb687a0ffaba.jpg)
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https://x.com/throwthedamball/status/1720087113788502266?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Interesting
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Michael Carter II is so good
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Mmmm secondary so good!
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It's also why the wE cAnT sToP tIgHt eNdS narrative is a little overblown. You can't really throw on our cornerbacks.
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Is the secondary better because the front 7 is so good, or is the front 7 better because the secondary is so good?
Also, I know, "yes." I'm just wondering if one unit is lifting the other up or is it just that the entire defense is silly good?
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Is the secondary better because the front 7 is so good, or is the front 7 better because the secondary is so good?
Also, I know, "yes." I'm just wondering if one unit is lifting the other up or is it just that the entire defense is silly good?
I guess we'll have to wait until our top 3 DLine are out before we can answer that for sure but the team held up without Reed and Sauce for a while.
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I guess we'll have to wait until our top 3 DLine are out before we can answer that for sure but the team held up without Reed and Sauce for a while.
Good point
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Mmmm secondary so good!
Thanks for the CB
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Mmmm secondary so good!
why did you do this.
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why did you do this.
Because
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https://x.com/bradcongelio/status/1722618031963275518?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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Mmmm defensive line so good!
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Just need average QB play. Same story as last year except defense is even better
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I'm getting a little nitpicky here, but the defense it's getting a little leaky against the run.
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the defense, like every week, did enough for this team to win the game.
Having to play perfect defense shouldn't be relied upon to win games, Our offense needs to start contributing, which hasn't been happening since Fitzmagic's been taking the snaps.
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the defense, like every week, did enough for this team to win the game.
The defense caved at the end of the first half and gifted the Raiders points with a bonehead penalty.
They also struggled against the run.
No one gets a pass. Sauce Gardner’s attempt to tackle Jacobs on his long run was one of the worst plays of our season.
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The defense caved at the end of the first half and gifted the Raiders points with a bonehead penalty.
They also struggled against the run.
No one gets a pass. Sauce Gardner’s attempt to tackle Jacobs on his long run was one of the worst plays of our season.
Again...the defense isn't going to be perfect all season. They're going to have a bad game or 2. They still only gave up 16 pts...a milquetoast offense would've won the game last night.
The offense is bad every week. Every facet of that group.