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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2021, 09:22:51 PM
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Per Schefter
Jets are hiring former 49ers’ DC Robert Saleh as their next head coach, per league sources. The two sides now have reached agreement on a five-year deal.
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1349918233231560709?s=21
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Let's go!
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Per Schefter
Jets are hiring former 49ers’ DC Robert Saleh as their next head coach, per league sources. The two sides now have reached agreement on a five-year deal.
The smoke has cleared. Wasn't the guy I wanted, but I ultimately love how from all appearances Joe was given dominant control over the process.
Go poach the option you want off of the 9ers staff at offensive coordinator and lets freaking go.
I wonder if he takes Ryans with him to coordinate the defense.
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Mike LaFleur looks to be the next OC: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1349919169534418947
RIP flag boi :'(
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Can't believe the Johnsons hired a Muslim
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Great choice!!!!
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i'm pretty psyched, very excited to have him.
lets see how we freak him up.
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Glad the Johnsons didnt freak this up
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Damn, outta nowhere. Thought he was still in Miami.
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Its a shame he is a defensive guy so we will lose our OC to another team in the upcoming years
/sarcasm
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freak yeah, motherfuckers!!! Best news I’ve heard in freaking months! freak yeah!
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This is gonna be fun.
Coach Salad lover of the older lady.
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Initial thoughts are I like it. Seems like a passionate leader and a great communicator. In a vacuum, I would prefer an offensive coach but I am totally happy with Saleh.
I look forward to reading this take in 4 years after he is either fired or we have won a Super Bowl.
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Let's freaking GO!!!
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Didn't really want him, his head is too shiny.
GASE IS ACTUALLY GONE AND WE MADE A SMART HIRE HOLY excrement HALLELUJAH
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Think I would have preferred Staley but I'm neutral to positive on this.
SBTG
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Initial thoughts are I like it. Seems like a passionate leader and a great communicator. In a vacuum, I would prefer an offensive coach but I am totally happy with Saleh.
He's bringing the best running scheme in the history of the NFL with him. Let's hope LaFleur learned enough from Shanahan.
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5 years?
Isn't that how long Joe D has left on his deal as well?
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Not enough eye brows bad hire
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Initial thoughts are I like it. Seems like a passionate leader and a great communicator. In a vacuum, I would prefer an offensive coach but I am totally happy with Saleh.
I look forward to reading this take in 4 years after he is either fired or we have won a Super Bowl.
How would you feel about the hire if you were say, in a blender?
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Welcome Head Coach Salad and OC Peter Lafleur
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ZACH WILSON SZN
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Richard Sherman: The @nyjets got a great one! Congrats to them!
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Richard Sherman: The @nyjets got a great one! Congrats to them!
Sign him to a one year deal
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He's bringing the best running scheme in the history of the NFL with him. Let's hope LaFleur learned enough from Shanahan.
Big part of why I like this hire is bringing along Lafleur.
I also like that we hired him early so we can get our choice of assistants before some other teams.
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Sign him to a one year deal
Would bet solid money on this happening, especially since we love signing Hall of Fame players when they are completely out of their primes
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Big part of why I like this hire is bringing along Lafleur.
I also like that we hired him early so we can get our choice of assistants before some other teams.
Demeco Ryans is replacing Saleh as DC for San Francisco. I was hoping he'd be our DC, but I'm more excited for the offensive staff.
I trust Saleh with the defense.
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Would bet solid money on this happening, especially since we love signing Hall of Fame players when they are completely out of their primes
Sign Richard Sherman, draft Israel Mukuamu or Paulson Adebo in the third round, profit
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Kris Richard could be an option at DC
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Fant and becton will benefit from vince vaugh.
Excited to see ty johnson become Tatum bell
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I am so freaking pumped to find this out.
I am so damn glad that we got our guy and JD had a hell of an interview process to make it happen.
He was my #2 candidate (after swinging for the fences with Joe Brady) and I can not be more excited. Polar opposite feelings from when we hired Gase.
Thank freaking Jesus it seems like we finally have a guy who knows WTF he is doing in the front office in Joe Douglas
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Bring on the gifs! LFG!
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Richard Sherman: The @nyjets got a great one! Congrats to them!
Yeah, but what did he say when Gus Bradley was hired?
Takes a lot to cancel a pizza Friday, but lamb and chicken over rice it is tomorrow night.
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Have to think Josina's source was Aaron Glenn...
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Have to think Josina's source was Aaron Glenn...
What did Anderson say? I missed whatever it was.
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Kris Richard could be an option at DC
That would be interesting, he got some HC buzz a couple years back
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What did Anderson say? I missed whatever it was.
Another candidate told her that the Jets told him they were hiring Saleh
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Another candidate told her that the Jets told him they were hiring Saleh
Why do you think it was Glenn and not Smith?
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Kris Richard could be an option at DC
I was trying to think of the connection but that would be great
They were in Seattle together
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That would be interesting, he got some HC buzz a couple years back
Pretty sure we interviewed him.
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ZACH WILSON SZN
Muslim/Mormon dynamic combo
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Muslim/Mormon dynamic combo
BOW DOWN
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/06/robert-saleh-49ers-defensive-coordinator-arab-american
Oldie but goodie
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guys if his real name is actually robert and it's not a nickname for another name, then i highly doubt he is actually muslim. it's much likelier he is a lebanese christian
not that there is anything wrong with that, lebanese christian females offer the highest 1:1 skank:beauty ratio per female on the planet
EDIT: the above link in fact confirms that he is muslim
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Muslim/Mormon dynamic combo
The Primetime Polygamy Princes
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I fell asleep...what happened
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guys if his real name is actually robert and it's not a nickname for another name, then i highly doubt he is actually muslim. it's much likelier he is a lebanese christian
not that there is anything wrong with that, lebanese christian females offer the highest 1:1 skank:beauty ratio per female on the planet
EDIT: the above link in fact confirms that he is muslim
WE HAVE A NONBELIEVER AMONGST US
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Damn, outta nowhere. Thought he was still in Miami.
Joe Douglas was hiding behind some palms and ambushed him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t76yYcmbn1o
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926995-richard-sherman-praises-jets-robert-saleh-hire-he-will-turn-the-culture-around
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"You've got to give Robert Saleh an abundance of credit. You have to give him an unusual amount of credit, and I don't think he's getting enough credit not only here but in the league, in general.
"To have the injuries that we've had week after week after week, the setbacks week after week. ... He's not making any excuses. He's making great plans week in and week out and we're making it happen. I expect him to be a head coach next year because of what he's able to do. He's able to rally men. He's a leader of men and that goes a long way."
LFG
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Robert Saleh (SAH-luh) is in his 16th NFL season and fourth as the 49ers defensive coordinator.
In 2019, Saleh was named Coordinator of the Year by Sporting News after leading the 49ers defense to rank second in the NFL in total yards allowed per game (281.8), the fewest total yards allowed per game by the team since 1997 (250.8). San Francisco ranked first in the NFL in passing yards allowed per game (169.2), the fewest passing yards allowed per game in the NFL since 2009 (NYJ - 153.7). It marked the first time San Francisco led the NFL in passing yards allowed per game since 1987 (165.6). The 49ers ranked tied for second in the NFL in third-down percentage allowed (33.3) and tied for fifth in the NFL in sacks (48.0), the most by the team in a single season since 1998 (51.0). San Francisco also ranked seventh in both opponent completion percentage (61.3) and opponent quarterback rating (83.0).
Rookie DL Nick Bosa, who played in all 16 games (14 starts) and registered 47 tackles, 9.0 sacks, one interception, one forced fumble, two fumble recoveries and two passes defensed, was named Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press and the PFWA, and Rookie of the Year by Sporting News, PFWA and Pepsi. He was also named to the PFWA All-Rookie Team and was named a starter in the Pro Bowl. With DLs Arik Armstead (10.0), Bosa (9.0), DeForest Buckner (7.5) and Dee Ford (6.5), the 49ers were the only team in the NFL to have four-or-more players with 6.5-or-more sacks in 2019. LB Fred Warner started all 16 games and led the team with 118 tackles, while also adding 3.0 sacks, one interception (returned for a touchdown), three forced fumbles, one fumble recovery and nine passes defensed. Rookie LB Dre Greenlaw played in all 16 games (10 starts) and tallied 87 tackles, 1.0 sack, one interception and two passes defensed as he was named to the PFWA All-Rookie team. The secondary was led by CB Richard Sherman, who registered 57 tackles, three interceptions (one returned for a touchdown) and 11 passes defensed and was named Associated Press Second-Team All-Pro.
In 2018, the 49ers defense registered 37.0 sacks, the most by the team in a single-season at the time since 2013 (38.0 sacks). The defense ranked in the top half of the league in rushing yards per play allowed (4.09 – seventh), opponent completion percentage (63.5 – 10th), yards per play allowed (5.42 – 11th), net passing yards per game allowed (233.3 – 11th), yards per game allowed (346.6 – 13th), rushing yards per game allowed (113.4 – 14th) and passing yards per play (6.45 – 14th). San Francisco was one of six teams (Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Detroit Lions, Indianapolis Colts & New England Patriots) to allow fewer net yards per game, rushing yards per game and passing yards per game than in 2017.
The 49ers defense was anchored by DL DeForest Buckner who led the team with a career-high 12.0 sacks, ranked second with 67 tackles and was named to the Pro Bowl for the first time in his career. His 12.0 sacks were the most by a 49ers defender since LB Aldon Smith registered 19.5 sacks in 2012. Warner started all 16 games as a rookie and led the team with 123 tackles, ranking 12th in the NFL and third among all rookies. Warner became the first rookie in the NFL since 2000 to begin his career with four consecutive games with 10-or-more tackles, according to Gamebook Statistics.
In 2017, Saleh led a 49ers defensive unit that allowed 5.28 yards per play, which was a 0.62 yards per play improvement from 2016 and the third-largest improvement in the NFL from 2016-17 (Cle. - 0.76 yards per play; NYJ - 0.72 yards per play). The defense also finished the season holding their opponents under 100 yards rushing seven times. From Weeks 12-16, the 49ers streak of holding each of their five opponents under 100 yards rushing was tied for the longest streak in the NFL over that span (Arizona). It also marked the first time the 49ers held five straight opponents to under 100 yards rushing since Weeks 11-15 of the 2012 season. The 49ers defense was among the league leaders at getting into the opponent's backfield on running plays, finishing ranked tied for fifth in the NFL by forcing 53 rushes for negative yardage.
Saleh's defense continued to improve throughout the season. Over the final eight weeks of the year, San Francisco ranked second in the NFL in rushing yards allowed (640), tied for fourth in yards per carry allowed (3.62), fifth in rushing yards allowed per game (91.4), seventh in net yards allowed per game (314.4) and tied for eight in rushing touchdowns allowed (four).
Saleh joined San Francisco after three years (2014-16) as the linebackers coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. In 2016, Saleh's linebackers helped the Jacksonville defense rank fifth in passing yards allowed (215.3) and sixth in opponent rushing average (3.82). Team captain LB Paul Posluszny started all 16 games at MLB and led the team in tackles for the second consecutive season. According to Jaguars team statistics, LB Telvin Smith registered 118 tackles while starting all 16 games at outside linebacker for the first time in his career. Smith's 350 career tackles were the most by a Jaguars player in his first three NFL seasons.
In 2015, the Jaguars defense allowed 3.68 yards per rushing attempt, the fifth lowest rushing average allowed in the NFL. Posluszny led the Jaguars and ranked fifth in the league with 133 tackles, according to Gamebook Statistics, while tying with Smith for the team lead with 13 tackles for loss. According to Jaguars team statistics, Smith registered a career-high 128 tackles in 2015.
Under Saleh's guidance, Smith stepped in the starting lineup and ranked third among all rookies with 99 tackles, according to Gamebook Statistics, in 2014. Smith led the team with two fumble recoveries while ranking second with nine tackles for loss. After a season-ending injury to Posluszny midway through the year, LB J.T. Thomas stepped in and set a career high in tackles along with two interceptions, two tackles for loss and five passes defensed.
Prior to Jacksonville, Saleh spent three seasons (2011-13) as a defensive quality control coach for the Seattle Seahawks. During his three seasons with the Seahawks, he was responsible for assisting the defensive staff with day-to-day duties with a focus on the linebackers. Working under linebackers coach Ken Norton Jr., Saleh aided in the development of LB K.J. Wright, LB Bobby Wagner and Super Bowl XLVIII MVP LB Malcolm Smith.
Before joining the Seahawks, Saleh spent six seasons with the Houston Texans, serving as a coaching intern (2005), defensive assistant (2006-08) and assistant linebackers coach (2009-10). In Houston, Saleh oversaw the growth of the Texans linebackers, including AP Defensive Rookie of the Year performances by DeMeco Ryans (2006) and Brian Cushing (2009). In 2009, the Pro Bowl duo of Ryans and Cushing were the only teammates to both rank among the league's top 10 tacklers, according to Gamebook Statistics.
Saleh joined the Texans after three seasons working in the collegiate ranks. He began his career as an offensive assistant/tight ends (2002) and defensive assistant/defensive line (2003) at Michigan State University before spending one season (2004) as a defensive assistant/defensive line at Central Michigan University and a brief stint (2005) at the University of Georgia as a defensive assistant/linebackers coach.
A native of Dearborn, MI, Saleh attended Northern Michigan University where he started at tight end for four years. Saleh and his wife, Sanaa, have six children: four sons, Adam, Zane, Michael and Sam, and two daughters, Mila and Ella.
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Holy excrement...I only dozed off for about an hour
LFG!!!
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I wonder if Bush stays on staff as linebacker coach given their history.
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I wonder if Bush stays on staff as linebacker coach given their history.
Our guys played hard for him. It wouldn't be bad to hang on to him,
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Muslim/Mormon dynamic combo
HAREM SZN
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This hire should do wonders for us in attracting FAs
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https://twitter.com/FBallGameplan/status/1349934906416259074?s=20
Boomer was right.
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Our guys played hard for him. It wouldn't be bad to hang on to him,
A little continuity among what’s going to be massive upheaval wouldn’t be the worst thing. Bush did a great job under the circumstances.
Gotta say, love this answer, apologies if it’s been posted.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/1349929401916420098?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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guys if his real name is actually robert and it's not a nickname for another name, then i highly doubt he is actually muslim. it's much likelier he is a lebanese christian
not that there is anything wrong with that, lebanese christian females offer the highest 1:1 skank:beauty ratio per female on the planet
EDIT: the above link in fact confirms that he is muslim
I was thinking the same but he's married to a woman named Sanaa lol
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A little continuity among what’s going to be massive upheaval wouldn’t be the worst thing. Bush did a great job under the circumstances.
Gotta say, love this answer, apologies if it’s been posted.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/1349929401916420098?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Every time I've heard him speak he sounds impressive.
Can't wait for his intro presser.
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Every time I've heard him speak he sounds impressive.
Can't wait for his intro presser.
At least it's hard to be worse than the previous one.
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https://twitter.com/QuinnenWilliams/status/1349924447327821826
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https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1349935172263817216?s=19
https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1349939734399889409?s=19
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https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1349935172263817216?s=19
https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1349939734399889409?s=19
If possible I’m more excited after 2 Schrager tweets than I was before.
It’s irrational and I don’t care
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The return of CJ Mosley is upon us
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Weird question but what kind of temperament does this dude have?
He doesnt seem like a Rex, Gase, or a Harbaugh.
Would Bowlesesque be a fair comparison?
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Would Bowlesesque be a fair comparison?
No man
c'mon
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The return of CJ Mosley is upon us
yeah I told a friend of mine that if we get Saleh, Mosely will be feasting .
we gotta pretty much pay him anyways , might as well embrace it.
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Cool. Let's do this.
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I feel like this is the most unreservedly positive the fans and the media have been about a Jets coach that I can remember. There were people who didn't love the Mangini hire because he had no experience, and there were people who didn't love the Rex hire because there were a bunch of more experienced candidates who wanted the job, and there were people who wanted nothing to do with Bowles because they were sick of everything being defense first for the last freak knows how long, and then there was Gase who literally no one wanted (honorable exception noted and henceforth unmentioned).
This one feels right.
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This one feels right.
That’s what happens when you hire an actual GM to run things. When you get one hire right, he goes through the process correctly, and gets a guy that is well respected and he trusts to be the right guy.
Whether Saleh works out remains to be seen, but we did the process right and hired our top choice and the pairing should be something Jets fans are excited about
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Whether Saleh works out remains to be seen, but we did the process right and hired our top choice and the pairing should be something Jets fans are excited about
This, without a doubt. Not freaking idiot Charlie Casserly who has no connection to the franchise and is somehow being brought in to consult on a landmark decision and then bounce. Not some search firm.
They let a dedicated professional do the job he was hired to do.
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This, without a doubt. Not freaking idiot Charlie Casserly who has no connection to the franchise and is somehow being brought in to consult on a landmark decision and then bounce. Not some search firm.
They let a dedicated professional do the job he was hired to do.
And then they let the guy they hired bring the guy he wanted to run the bit he doesn't do. It's almost like running a proper business.
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No man
c'mon
LMFAOOOOOO
DCM YOU FUNNY POS
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https://twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1349926485327536128
LOL, OK LETS freaking GO.
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Soo Uhm how does this work?
Can the Jets get in on some of this subsidized draft picks?
Saleh, who is Lebanese-American, will join Brian Flores of the Miami Dolphins, Mike Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers and Ron Rivera of the Washington Football Team as active minority head coaches in the league. The 49ers will receive two third-round compensatory draft picks as part of the NFL's new hiring initiatives to incentivize an expansion of the candidate pool.
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https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/1349944123982110720?s=20
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Soo Uhm how does this work?
Can the Jets get in on some of this subsidized draft picks?
You've gotta stop with this "Uhm" excrement
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You've gotta stop with this "Uhm" excrement
Like okay
I just am perplexed thst the way this draft pick for minority coaches thing works.
The teams losing the minority coaches gets the extra draft picks and not the actual team hiring them?
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The Zodiac is pleased by the Bob Salad hiring
Dude is going nuts rn
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When's the last time it was exciting as a Jets fan? Midway through Week 1 2019? The day we drafted Sam Darnold?
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When's the last time it was exciting as a Jets fan? Midway through Week 1 2019? The day we drafted Sam Darnold?
The third quarter of the Buffalo game in Week 1 last season.
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The teams losing the minority coaches gets the extra draft picks and not the actual team hiring them?
Yes, because they are LOSING a coach.
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Like okay
I just am perplexed thst the way this draft pick for minority coaches thing works.
The teams losing the minority coaches gets the extra draft picks and not the actual team hiring them?
The goal is to incentivize teams to promote and develop minority coaches. It's an interesting idea meant to try to address the root of the problem and go deeper than just the end result.
It would be especially interesting if say the Dolphins wanted to hire Brian Flores today. I can't imagine they would turn down Flores because they wouldn't want to give the Patriots draft picks, but I'm sure they wouldn't like it.
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Yes, because they are LOSING a coach.
Yeah but the purpose is to incentivize promoting and hiring of minority coaches.
Sure it rewards the 49ers for developing him, but it does nothing for the team taking a chance on him and making him a HC. And presumably the ultimate goal of this is to get more minority coaches in positions of power like HC
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Yeah but the purpose is to incentivize promoting and hiring of minority coaches.
Sure it rewards the 49ers for developing him, but it does nothing for the team taking a chance on him and making him a HC. And presumably the ultimate goal of this is to get more minority coaches in positions of power like HC
You can't give picks to teams to hire head coaches. You can't make that a tiebreaker. The ultimate goal is to get more minority coaches in positions of power like HC, but to get there, there need to be qualified candidates at OC, DC and elsewhere.
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Yeah but the purpose is to incentivize promoting and hiring of minority coaches.
Sure it rewards the 49ers for developing him, but it does nothing for the team taking a chance on him and making him a HC. And presumably the ultimate goal of this is to get more minority coaches in positions of power like HC
the reasoning is, people HC/GM, have been keeping OC and DC of color in place because it makes their job easier.
much like a manager who refuses to encourage an employees growth because theyll lose metrics if said employee moves on
so teams can now be less inclined to block every opportunity
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i honestly joked to badger when i found out that "no wonder Reid has been pushing Bienemy so hard"
but yeah it makes sense all jokes aside
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dont worry DCM white guys will still be coaching.
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im just ballbusting by the way lol not even trying to get political
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SF Defense ranks in 2016:
Yards - 32
Points - 32
Under Saleh:
2017 - Yards 24, Points 25
2018 - Yards 13, Points 28
2019 - Yards 2, Points 8
2020 - Yards 5, Points 17
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the reasoning is, people HC/GM, have been keeping OC and DC of color in place because it makes their job easier.
much like a manager who refuses to encourage an employees growth because theyll lose metrics if said employee moves on
so teams can now be less inclined to block every opportunity
Aren't you unable to block a coordinator from interviewing for HC jobs? I thought that only applied to lateral ish moved
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Aren't you unable to block a coordinator from interviewing for HC jobs? I thought that only applied to lateral ish moved
i also meant block indirectly by not campaigning for them to move on .
a lot of people have sat on their hands until people have to come knocking down the door
either way itll promote growth in the league
at the end of the day losing leads to firing. thatll never change.
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DCM is just hoping to game the system when he can hire and fire minority coaches at will for the draft picks to save cap space.
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DCM is just hoping to game the system when he can hire and fire minority coaches at will for the draft picks to save cap space.
rofl
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Robert Saleh is the NFL's first Arab American head coach since Rich Kotite.
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https://youtu.be/hydVZmae4oE?t=599
#FireSaleh
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Muslim/Mormon dynamic combo
The Resurrection Connection
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Yes, because they are LOSING a coach.
In 5 years there will be zero white coaches.
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The fire hashtag is locked away in the vault, gents.
Lets freaking goooo
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Saleh's passion and exuberance seems like a perfect fit for a rabid fanbase starving for a winning product.
About as succinctly put as can be.
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Geez.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/2831b090491ea64e929f1ea2427831bc.jpg)
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Isles spank young Rangers sounds taboo
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The return of CJ Mosley is upon us
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Yeah but the purpose is to incentivize promoting and hiring of minority coaches.
No the purpose is to deceiving nepotism and incentivize development of minority coaches
Sure it rewards the 49ers for developing him, but it does nothing for the team taking a chance on him and making him a hc
Well that's racist
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I regret going to bed at 9 last night.
LFMotherFuckingG!!!!
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I regret going to bed at 9 last night.
LFMotherFuckingG!!!!
Same.
Saleh-din baby, let's get medieval on this mufuckas!
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Kevin Sirkin
@KS1988NYJ
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Good stuff from @PSchrags
on @gmfb
Saleh and A. Smith were only 2 finalists. Jets wanted to close after Charger interest
Saleh instantly connected w JD/CJ
JD just met him Friday for first time, put too much into process to revert to Pederson
Good chance Darnold stays
#Jets
thank you Adam Gase....for bringing Joe Douglas into this franchise.
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Good, now let's nail the offseason.
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Man, this is gonna be a fun offseason. I can't remember being this happy about a HC hire.
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Man, this is gonna be a fun offseason. I can't remember being this happy about a HC hire.
I was more fired up for Rex but I think the last decade has deadened my fan nerves so I can't feel as much anymore.
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Man, this is gonna be a fun offseason. I can't remember being this happy about a HC hire.
I'll be keeping an eye on you lol.
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I was more fired up for Rex but I think the last decade has deadened my fan nerves so I can't feel as much anymore.
Same, and I had witnessed most of Buddy Ryan's career so I knew what he was about.
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Woke up today still fired up
I can’t wait to see what appears to be a competent organization about to attack a critical offseason with a million different interesting factors.
We need to sign some low level guys who can succeed in the system on both sides of the ball, and we need to get some impact talent in here quickly. Thankfully we have the second most money available in an offseason that most teams have little to none and need to cut players.
I am half tempted to preorder Madden (which I obviously will not do) because I just want to play football again, which I can’t say has been true for like 4-5 years.
When’s the press conference?
Let’s freaking go
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I'll be keeping an eye on you lol.
just not in the shower, ok?
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It looks like the Jets passed the first test (nailed it, actually) of this critical offseason.
These next few months very well could be the offseason that changes the trajectory of this franchise.
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https://twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1349926485327536128
LOL, OK LETS freaking GO.
that era of wrestling was so fvcken lit
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Verrett had an eye-opening season as he remained healthy and played at a consistently high level. Williams is one of the best in the game at his specialized skill of covering the slot receiver.
But if Saleh is hired for a head-coaching job with a team that has ample salary-cap space, he would push his general manager to get both of those players to join him and help implement his system.
Rebuild the secondary
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i'm glad about the hire but i can't say i'm 'happy' yet. things are definitely looking up but maybe it's the SOJF in me that worries that we're still going to fvck up the offseason someway somehow.
this was just the first step of hopefully many. we need to kill this offseason
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that era of wrestling was so fvcken lit
The internet wins again.
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i'm glad about the hire but i can't say i'm 'happy' yet. things are definitely looking up but maybe it's the SOJF in me that worries that we're still going to fvck up the offseason someway somehow.
this was just the first step of hopefully many. we need to kill this offseason
If you can't have some faith in JD and some excitement in your heart now that it at least appears like we got things moving in the right direction, then I'm hopeful that this offseason momentum continues to build to help get broken fans excited again
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Evidence in support of ditching SOJF mentality so far:
The coaching hire went exactly as they said it would. CJ let the GM run the hiring process and signed off on the deal based on JD's recommendation.
CJ hosted Kingsburry for an interview while Bowles was still HC.
Saleh has hired his own OC.
During the Gase hire, MacCagnan tried to interfere with Rhule's OC hire and later forced Gregg Williams on Gase.
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Every time I've heard him speak he sounds impressive.
Can't wait for his intro presser.
I did a little bit of a dive this morning into his old pressers from his time in San Fran.
I mean, to hear his answer on how and why injuries and ineffectiveness on offense should have no influence on the defense as compared to Gregggggggggg going out of his way to throw an offense under the bus that we all know is freaking garbage and don't need to be told, out of his own ego and vanity. Its the first part of the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUkfdutf0s&t=93s
Night and day.
that era of wrestling was so fvcken lit
Yeah it was. Look at that reaction as soon as they hear the glass break!
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Pete Prisco
@PriscoCBS
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Robert Saleh bringing the 49ers system to the Jets will be good if they decide to keep Sam Darnold, which they should do and leverage the second pick for more draft choices.
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Pete Prisco sucks
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Woke up today still fired up
Even my morning dump was fired up
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Even my morning dump was fired up
Stop ordering extra red sauce from the Halal cart.
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Pete Prisco sucks
just about to post this.
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Even my morning dump was fired up
Mine came out bald and with a side of hummus.
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Mine came out bald and with a side of hummus.
mine looked like an Eat-More bar.
*calls the doctor*
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Keep Sam, draft Wilson, whatever.
For the first time since Parcells I'm happy with who the Jets hired on day 1. And for the first time since Rex, I feel like this team is going to actually be competitive in 3 years.
LFG
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1349064083086188545?s=21
They 100000% need to bring this guy with him
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1349064083086188545?s=21
They 100000% need to bring this guy with him
freak that. I want his job
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Plan:
-Keep Darnold, sign a vet backup, preferably one that isn't a statue
-trade down from 2, sign an OT or WR. I'd like to come out of this draft with 11-12 players before UFDAs
-poach as many defensive players from SF as possible.
-Install multiple Lebanese food trucks and Halal carts in tailgate lot
-Ramp up hype videos on youtube.
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freak that. I want his job
We’ll arrange an interview with dcm to get you approved
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We’ll arrange an interview with dcm to get you approved
Fantastic.
In all seriousness that guy probably makes as much or more money than I do as a teacher, so perhaps it would be a good career move for me.
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Saleh's wife looks JFIF approved. A solid 10.
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Plan:
-Keep Darnold, sign a vet backup, preferably one that isn't a statue
-trade down from 2, sign an OT or WR. I'd like to come out of this draft with 11-12 players before UFDAs
-poach as many defensive players from SF as possible.
-Install multiple Lebanese food trucks and Halal carts in tailgate lot
-Ramp up hype videos on youtube.
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I'm wondering if we can actually hire a halal cart for the tailgate
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(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e9/5f/1a/e95f1ac9212cb93f4cd6ddd748ec021c.jpg)
Saleh's wife looks JFIF approved. A solid 10.
She's had 6 kids with the 7th on the way. Saleh putting in work on and off the field.
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I'm wondering if we can actually hire a halal cart for the tailgate
We'll need our own dedicated porta-potty. For safety.
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She's had 6 kids with the 7th on the way. Saleh putting in work on and off the field.
Philip Rivers probably walked past her a couple of times, increasing her fertility rate by 400%
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Philip Rivers probably walked past her a couple of times, increasing her fertility rate by 400%
Saleh wouldn't let a QB get near his wife.
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https://twitter.com/SethCPayne/status/1350085968410382337?s=20
This is an awesome tweet
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Saleh wouldn't let a QB get near his wife.
Unless it was a balding QB, not a threat
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https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/1349944123982110720?s=20
stop i can only get so erect
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I'm wondering if we can actually hire a halal cart for the tailgate
That's 3am drunk in Manhattan food.
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https://theathletic.com/2324518/2021/01/15/new-york-jets-coach-robert-saleh/?source=emp_shared_article
Christopher Johnson promised not to cut corners. He wanted to do this right. A decade since their last playoff appearance, the Jets couldn’t afford to whiff on another head coach. So, after firing Adam Gase, Johnson said general manager Joe Douglas, team president Hymie Elhai and himself would conduct a thorough, comprehensive search for his replacement.
And they did.
It just didn’t take all that long to find the right man for the job.
Thursday night, the Jets announced the hiring of 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh as the 20th head coach in franchise history.
The Jets began their homework on coaching candidates before the end of the 2020 season, compiling a list of people they wanted to talk to after it became clear Gase would not return. After the Jets officially fired Gase following their season-ending loss to the Patriots, they sent out their interview requests. Johnson and Elhai were involved each step of the way, but Douglas’ opinion carried the most weight. Basically, the coach he believed the Jets should hire would be the one they moved forward with.
At the beginning of this process, Saleh was not the Jets’ top candidate.
Then they met him.
Saleh blew the Jets away during their virtual meeting on Jan. 8. They flew him to Florham Park for additional in-person talks on Jan. 12, where he solidified those feelings. He explained the staff he had ready to join him, such as 49ers passing game coordinator Mike LaFleur, who will be his offensive coordinator. 49ers linebackers coach DeMeco Ryans is the early front-runner to run his defense, although its possible that he remains in the Bay Area and replaces Saleh as San Francisco’s defensive coordinator. The Jets fell in love with Saleh’s vision and plan for success. This team hasn’t had a winning season since 2015. They haven’t won a playoff game since 2010. Johnson, Douglas and Elhai recognized the need for a culture change.
The way Saleh talked and the passion he had convinced the three he could turn this around.
The Jets interviewed nine total candidates for their head-coaching vacancy. They had a second interview with Titans offensive coordinator Arthur Smith after Saleh left. They didn’t need to talk to anyone else. They realized Saleh was who they wanted, so they made it official on Thursday night.
Saleh, 41, began his coaching career in 2002, where he spent two years as a defensive assistant at Michigan State. He held the same role with Central Michigan (2004) and Georgia (2005) before the Texans hired him as a defensive intern. Saleh spent six years with the Texans, working his way from intern to assistant linebackers coach. He then served as Seattle’s defensive quality control coach (2011-2013) and Jaguars linebackers coach (2014-2016) before Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers hired him as their defensive coordinator.
In 2019, San Francisco’s defense ranked second in DVOA. This year, they were sixth. The 2020 mark is even more impressive considering the 49ers’ injuries. The team lost defensive ends Nick Bosa and Dee Ford, corner Jamar Taylor and lineman Solomon Thomas at different points. They also traded away DeForest Buckner in the offseason.
The decision to hire Saleh continues a trend for the Jets as the team seems to fancy defensive-minded head coaches. Gase (2019-2020), Rich Kotite (1995-1996) and Bruce Coslet (1990-1993) are the only offensive coaches hired by the team since 1990. Recently, the Jets had Herm Edwards (2001-2005), Eric Mangini (2006-2008), Rex Ryan (2009-2014) and Todd Bowles (2015-2018) before Gase snapped the streak.
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Connor Hughes is full of excrement about that Demeco Ryans stuff. He was always going to replace Saleh in SF.
Hughes has no sources right now. The dude was watching Star Wars when the news broke.
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Connor Hughes is full of excrement about that Demeco Ryans stuff. He was always going to replace Saleh in SF.
Hughes has no sources right now. The dude was watching Star Wars when the news broke.
I knew you'd appreciate that article.
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I knew you'd appreciate that article.
The guy was watching pod racing when the news broke. Get him outta here.
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The guy was watching pod racing when the news broke. Get him outta here.
Haha, I don't read his stuff on The Athletic, but I do enjoy the Can't Wait podcast.
But, yeah he probably shouldn't be a fan's main source of Jets news.
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After reading the article my one question is, who was our top guy before the process? We will never know of course but it is interesting that somebody obviously told him that Saleh was a guy they wanted to speak too more on reputation rather than expecting him to be the guy they would hire
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i'd probly guess arthur smith, since they brought him in after salahs second. probly were blow away by salah and wanted to give smith a chance to wow them one more time, but he just didnt.
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i'd probly guess arthur smith, since they brought him in after salahs second. probly were blow away by salah and wanted to give smith a chance to wow them one more time, but he just didnt.
It was over for Smith when he reached over and took a bite of JD's sandwich.
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It was over for Smith when he reached over and took a bite of JD's sandwich.
JD is excited for a new world of halal offerings
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Haha, I don't read his stuff on The Athletic, but I do enjoy the Can't Wait podcast.
But, yeah he probably shouldn't be a fan's main source of Jets news.
Seems like a nice enough guy, but he doesn't know anything. As far as I know, he's rarely right about how things are going to go and never has the initial scoop.
It's a step up from Eric Allen.
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Seems like a nice enough guy, but he doesn't know anything. As far as I know, he's rarely right about how things are going to go and never has the initial scoop.
It's a step up from Eric Allen.
Now that Manish is relegated to sitting in the bushes outside Florham Park on anonymous Twitter accounts, we don't really have any newsbreakers on the beat.
I'm sure Douglas loves that.
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Anyone remember when Saleh's last team went from picking higher than us in the 2018 draft to reaching the Super Bowl one year later? I memba.
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Now that Manish is relegated to sitting in the bushes outside Florham Park on anonymous Twitter accounts, we don't really have any newsbreakers on the beat.
I'm sure Douglas loves that.
It's amazing.
The way that Josina Anderson broke the Saleh news was hilarious.
"Another candidate just told me the Jets are hiring Saleh..."
No one knew.
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Becton approves.
https://twitter.com/bigticket73/status/1349928353453780992?s=21 (https://twitter.com/bigticket73/status/1349928353453780992?s=21)
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Becton approves.
https://twitter.com/bigticket73/status/1349928353453780992?s=21 (https://twitter.com/bigticket73/status/1349928353453780992?s=21)
remember when he thought joe douglas was coach
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remember when he thought joe douglas was coach
On the draft phone/zoom call when they picked him? That was funny.
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Perfectly Balanced (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/914bbbbc535ea2aea53cefc005b2594f.jpg)
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Perfectly Balanced (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/914bbbbc535ea2aea53cefc005b2594f.jpg)
So who did we kill to get Becton? Darnold?
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So who did we kill to get Becton? Darnold?
The souls of jets fans
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r/nyjets photoshoppers having a big day
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GIMMIE A HELL YEAH!
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r/nyjets photoshoppers having a big day
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I just snorted and my dog jumped on my face
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When is the presser
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guess i wasn't the first person to think saleh looked a little bit like jason taylor
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Rumors swirling (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210116/fde5d8fc79195e4f88eebe6099aaa0ed.jpg)
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Someone will know the answer to this, but how much technique did Austin develop in his time in the league? He was a freak which is why he got drafted highly and hung around as long as he did. I was under the impression he never developed the technique necessary to be highly effective. Which is why I’m surprised he’s moved into coaching, especially so quickly after his career ended
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Someone will know the answer to this, but how much technique did Austin develop in his time in the league? He was a freak which is why he got drafted highly and hung around as long as he did. I was under the impression he never developed the technique necessary to be highly effective. Which is why I’m surprised he’s moved into coaching, especially so quickly after his career ended
Drafted highly?
He was an UDFA out of Monmouth
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Drafted highly?
He was an UDFA out of Monmouth
Yeah but still
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Someone will know the answer to this, but how much technique did Austin develop in his time in the league? He was a freak which is why he got drafted highly and hung around as long as he did.
You thinking of Tavon Austin?
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You thinking of Tavon Austin?
And yes, yes I am.
Never mind Miles Austin was a guy we almost signed to an RFA deal from Dallas and everyone was all confused about then proceeded to kill it in Dallas for 3-4 years.
Never mind my message at all. that dude made a living on his technique not freakish athleticism
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And yes, yes I am.
Never mind Miles Austin was a guy we almost signed to an RFA deal from Dallas and everyone was all confused about then proceeded to kill it in Dallas for 3-4 years.
Never mind my message at all. that dude made a living on his technique not freakish athleticism
Ah, I remember the “but Justin McCairnes was an RFA signing!!!!!” arguments.
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And yes, yes I am.
Never mind Miles Austin was a guy we almost signed to an RFA deal from Dallas and everyone was all confused about then proceeded to kill it in Dallas for 3-4 years.
Never mind my message at all. that dude made a living on his technique not freakish athleticism
Too bad you can't even say you were at the pub.
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Too bad you can't even say you were at the pub.
He was at the pub’s heated patio.
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PFT: Teams interviewing Robert Saleh: Chargers, Falcons, Lions, Jaguars, Eagles, Jets.
Teams not interviewing Saleh, despite recommendation from Deshaun Watson: Texans.
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PFT: Teams interviewing Robert Saleh: Chargers, Falcons, Lions, Jaguars, Eagles, Jets.
Teams not interviewing Saleh, despite recommendation from Deshaun Watson: Texans.
Did the Texans ignore Watson or did Saleh tell the Texans to get fucked. I can see both as being equally likely, and both would ultimately be the Texans' fault.
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Drafted highly?
He was an UDFA out of Monmouth
Monmouth guys usually go high, like Alabama.
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Did the Texans ignore Watson or did Saleh tell the Texans to get fucked. I can see both as being equally likely, and both would ultimately be the Texans' fault.
At this point I’m almost actively expecting them to be trying to pee Watson off as if it’s a game to see just how far they can push him
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Jets notes: Robert Saleh and presumptive OC Mike LaFleur have watched a lot of Sam Darnold tape and they believe he has
untapped potential...Hearing former Jags and Bills LB Paul Posluszny is being considered for a staff position — a Saleh favorite... https://es.pn/38RfXmQ
the Jets FO is an air-tight vacuum. Cimini or any of the Jets beat don't really know excrement.
Having said that....Pos would be a good get.
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the Jets FO is an air-tight vacuum. Cimini or any of the Jets beat don't really know excrement.
Having said that....Pos would be a good get.
Nick Spano, of all people, has an inside source
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Nick Spano, of all people, has an inside source
freak him and his stupid weird voice
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Posluszny was so aggressively bland in terms of his playing style and whatever glimpses of his off-field personality that I've seen that I assume his main purpose is to just balance out the emotional dynamic of the coaching staff and/or act as the guy who holds Saleh back crom killing a ref.
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Posluszny was so aggressively bland in terms of his playing style and whatever glimpses of his off-field personality that I've seen that I assume his main purpose is to just balance out the emotional dynamic of the coaching staff and/or act as the guy who holds Saleh back crom killing a ref.
He used to get hurt often like Blake Cashman...before it was cool.
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He used to get hurt often like Blake Cashman...before it was cool.
“Alright, Blake, the most important thing to remember is try to lead every tackle with your face. If you can’t do that, then lead with your knee. It’s sort of like your leg’s face.”
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Posluszny was so aggressively bland in terms of his playing style and whatever glimpses of his off-field personality that I've seen that I assume his main purpose is to just balance out the emotional dynamic of the coaching staff and/or act as the guy who holds Saleh back crom killing a ref.
Crom!
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He used to get hurt often like Blake Cashman...before it was cool.
He was probably Sandusky’d
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He was probably Sandusky’d
*injury report*
Paul Posluszny - Doubtful, anus.
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*injury report*
Paul Posluszny - Doubtful, anus.
Concussed anus
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I love the concept of a "hold me back guy", might look into hiring one.
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Crom!
You know what, I’m not going to fix it.
Saleh should repalce the Jets’ motto from Take Flight to Conan’s “What is best in life?” monologue.
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*injury report*
Paul Posluszny - Doubtful, anus.
Lol.
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I guess there isn't a presser yet because Saleh hasn't signed a contract yet.
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I guess there isn't a presser yet because Saleh hasn't signed a contract yet.
Somebody check on LJF
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hes gonna winfield us noooo
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hes gonna winfield us noooo
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Officially signed today.
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NYJ YouTube has his press conference listed as 2pm on the 21st? Lol it popped up as a live stream but then says 2 days
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Officially signed today.
First task is to cleanse the stench of Gase and Derpwell Flappains from the facility.
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I wonder if they are keeping the same reporting structure where HC and GM are peers or if Saleh reports directly to JD
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I wonder if they are keeping the same reporting structure where HC and GM are peers or if Saleh reports directly to JD
Saleh reports to Allah, muthafucker
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Saleh reports to Allah, muthafucker
quality post, would read again
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Saleh wants to win with a four man rush, so I expect Douglas to go after pass rushers in FA.
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Saleh wants to win with a four man rush, so I expect Douglas to go after pass rushers in FA.
I'm down.
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Saleh wants to win with a four man rush, so I expect Douglas to go after pass rushers in FA.
Top DE's according to walterfootball
Shaq Barrett, DE, Buccaneers. Age: 28.
Shaq Barrett had a ridiculous 19.5 sacks in 2019. There was some regression to the mean in 2020, but he still logged eight sacks. He's due for a big contract.
Trey Hendrickson, DE, Saints. Age: 26.
Trey Hendrickson recorded 13.5 sacks in 2020 despite not being an every-down player. The sky is the limit for Hendrickson, who is only 26 years old.
Carl Lawson, DE, Bengals. Age: 26.
Carl Lawson has notched 10.5 sacks over the past couple of seasons, and he was Cincinnati's sole consistent pass rusher in 2020. Turning 26 this summer, Lawson has plenty of upside.
Aldon Smith, DE, Cowboys. Age: 31.
Aldon Smith hadn't played since 2015, but came back from his long hiatus and performed well. He logged five sacks in 2020.
Deatrich Wise, DE, Patriots. Age: 27.
Deatrich Wise improved last year as a pass rusher. He logged 2.5 sacks, but that's not indicative of how well he played. Wise should continue to upgrade his game.
Olivier Vernon, DE, Browns. Age: 30.
Olivier Vernon had a great 2020 campaign, stopping the run well and getting to the quarterback frequently (nine sacks). Unfortunately, he tore his Achilles late in the season, so he may not be 100 percent for the start of 2021.
Ifeadi Odenigbo (RFA), DE, Vikings. Age: 27.
Ifeadi Odenigbo had lots of potential heading into 2020 because he had seven sacks the year before. However, his sack total was sliced in half this past season.
Kerry Hyder, DE, 49ers. Age: 30.
Kerry Hyder played well in relief of the injured elite 49er defensive ends last year, logging 8.5 sacks. I don't know if that's sustainable, but Hyder deserves a chance to play significant snaps in 2021.
Everson Griffen, DE, Lions. Age: 33.
Everson Griffen can still get some pressure on the quarterback; he logged six sacks in 2020. He's no longer the player he once was, and age (33) is becoming a concern.
Takk McKinley, DE, Raiders. Age: 25.
Takk McKinley still has some major potential as a former first-round pick, but he's been a bust thus far.
Solomon Thomas, DE, 49ers. Age: 26.
Solomon Thomas is a bust as a former No. 3 overall pick, but he's still a solid run defender. If he were a third- or fourth-round pick, his career would be seen as a success.
Denico Autry, DE/DT, Colts. Age: 31.
Denico Autry is a jack-of-all-trades player who can be used in multiple spots on the defensive line.
Top OLB's
Yannick Ngakoue, DE/OLB, Ravens. Age: 26.
Yannick Ngakoue is an electric pass rusher with enormous upside. He's only 26, so there's still room for growth with him.
Bud Dupree, DE/OLB, Steelers. Age: 28.
The Steelers really missed Bud Dupree down the stretch, as they began losing without him. He logged eight sacks in 11 games, and he has 19.5 sacks in the past two years.
Jadeven Clowney, DE/OLB, Titans. Age: 28.
Jadeveon Clowney was a disappointment for the Titans, failing to record a sack in 2020. He has yet to notch double-digit sacks throughout his career. He's overrated as a pass rusher, but plays very well against the run.
Hassan Reddick, DE/OLB, Cardinals. Age: 26.
The Cardinals finally figured out how to use Hassan Reddick last year. Reddick failed as an off-line linebacker prior to 2020, but Arizona put him on the edge, where he thrived. Reddick notched 12.5 sacks as a result.
Leonard Floyd, DE/OLB, Rams. Age: 28.
Leonard Floyd was seen as a bust as a former first-round pick in Chicago, but the Rams got the most out of him. Floyd registered 10.5 sacks in 2020.
Matthew Judon, DE/OLB, Ravens. Age: 29.
Matthew Judon has never logged double-digit sacks in a season, but he's always good for anything between six and 9.5 sacks. He's missed just four games in his career.
Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, Chargers. Age: 32.
It's hard to believe that Melvin Ingram is 32. The 2020 campaign was a lost season for him, as he did nothing in seven injury-ridden games. He could bounce back in 2021, but he may regress as well.
Jordan Jenkins, DE/OLB, Jets. Age: 27.
Jordan Jenkins logged 15 sacks in two years heading into 2020, but saw that figure drop to two this past season. He'll be better off as a second pass rusher.
Kyler Fackrell, DE/OLB, Giants. Age: 29.
Kyler Fackrell was sorely missed late in the season. The Giants began losing without him, then won in Week 17 when he returned. He logged four sacks in 12 games, but was better than that number indicates.
Tyus Bowser, DE/OLB, Ravens. Age: 26.
Tyus Bowser has upside as a pass rusher. He's young and can improve his game, so he should get more of an opportunity in the near future.
Markus Golden, DE/OLB, Cardinals. Age: 30.
The Cardinals obtained Markus Golden from the Giants for a sixth-round pick in the middle of the 2020 season. He recorded 4.5 sacks, with that number not being indicative of his play.
Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Redskins. Age: 33.
Ryan Kerrigan's career is winding down. He logged 5.5 sacks in 2020, as he saw far fewer snaps than usual. Granted, this was because of Chase Young's presence, but Kerrigan is no longer the dominant edge rusher he once was.
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Gotta sign Bowser for the name alone.
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Kerry Hyder and Ronnie Blair are probably going to be "Saleh guys"
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Hendrickson and Nagaouke
Get it done
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Hassan Reddick is a must for OLB for us
Pay that man
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I was pining for Hendrickson and Reddick a couple days ago
Would love to see them.in this system here
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Lol Clowney didn’t have a sack this year
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Lol Clowney didn’t have a sack this year
I feel validated.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1352299925699129344?s=20
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1352299925699129344?s=20
ONE JETS DRIVE GONNA BE LIT AF
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Heard the bush-man was invited to it and will introduce Saleh
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That was sick
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1352300479095713795?s=21
All Gas
All 2021
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1352300479095713795?s=21
All Gas
All 2021
ALL GASE
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1352300479095713795?s=21
All Gas
All 2021
My wife says I've been all gas since we got married.
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Gonna be hard to top Dan Campbell's press conference where he basically threatens to beat up the rest of the NFL
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Gonna be hard to top Dan Campbell's press conference where he basically threatens to beat up the rest of the NFL
Please join the party in lolLions
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So much for being punctual...
#FireSalad
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Tom Coughlin would have fired his derriere already.
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Lack of discipline and personal responsibility.
#FireSaleh
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SHUT UP CHRISTOPHER
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This already feels different than the last time bc Saleh's eyes are roaming all over the place
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Is the volume really freaking low for anyone else?
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SHUT UP CHRISTOPHER
remember 'qft'?
qft
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Christopher sucks
Scripted loser
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Lack of discipline and personal responsibility.
#FireSaleh
Saleh isn't late. The world time clock is wrong.
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This already feels different than the last time bc Saleh's eyes are roaming all over the place
Gase should have been hired during a pandemic to keep him off camera.
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STFU Johnson you clown. You trusted Gase with this team. GFY
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I wanna recognize his wife, too.
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ALL GAS
NO BREAK
SOMETHING SOMETHING MIDDLE EAST OIL FIELDS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQcGnEhciNY
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My wife says I've been all gas since we got married.
#confirmed
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"All gas, no brakes" is clearly going to be our version of "Play like a Jet" or "Row the Boat" or "I like tacos"
Definitely better than All Gase, No Breaks.
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Reporting structure has changed. Holy excrement.
I've always thought this was overblown and overrated by Jets fans, but clearly the previous way of doing things wasn't working great.
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reporting structure changed...LFG!
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"All gas, no brakes" is clearly going to be our version of "Play like a Jet" or "Row the Boat" or "I like tacos"
Definitely better than All Gase, No Breaks.
gase's mantra was 'Let's all take a ride on these choo-choo trains'
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LETS GO STRUCTURE CHANGE
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gase's mantra was :o
FYP
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All Gas. No Brake.
LET'S freaking GO
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XERXES 2021
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freak off, Hughes
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I bet he takes the all gas no brake mentality into the bedroom with his wife
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Go to bed better than when you woke up.
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JD looks so uncomfortable speaking in public
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freak off, Hughes
"What's your ranking of the Star Wars movies?"
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"All gas, no brakes" is clearly going to be our version of "Play like a Jet" or "Row the Boat" or "I like tacos"
Definitely better than All Gase, No Breaks.
The Patriots' Do Your Job was the best one. So succinct, no marketing hyperbole, just a simple commitment to trusting the process.
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freak off, Hughes
he actually went 'this is a two-part question' like kenneth park class of 2004 from the original harold and kumar
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way to boost Sam's value, Bobby.
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Good answer on Sam.
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I need an All Gas, No Brakes t-shirt
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I need an All Gas, No Brakes t-shirt
Hell yes!
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I need an All Gas, No Brakes t-shirt
I'm gonna shave it into my rooster hair
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Cimini going for the jugular.
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Rich Cimini is a queynte
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he actually went 'this is a two-part question' like kenneth park class of 2004 from the original harold and kumar
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1352334202931445760
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Rich Cimini is a queynte
His personality can’t fly under the radar with Manish gone.
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Holy excrement! ACCOUNTABILITY
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Dude's inspiring. I hope Deshaun's watching.
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This isn't getting me ready to run through a wall as much as Herm and Rex did, but his attitude seems more built to last and sustainable.
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Holy excrement! ACCOUNTABILITY
Who dat?
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CJ is awful
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Cuck Johnson
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Chris Johnson is really uncomfortable on camera.
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Cuck Johnson
It very clearly wasn't up to him. Joe Douglas told him what to do.
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So ugh, is he going to tell us what "All Gas, No Brake" means?
Also shouldn't it be "All Gas, No Brakes"?
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1352334202931445760
LMFAOOOOO bro what an absolute nerd
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Saleh on Michael Kay at 4.
Joe Douglas on Michael Kay at 5.
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There's no doubt this is home
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Chris Johnson is really uncomfortable on camera.
Really uncomfortable is still more comfortable than Woody.
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It very clearly wasn't up to him. Joe Douglas told him what to do.
Woody punching air
(When someone updates him next week that Cuck changed things)
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20 year process from starting as a coach to 'HC of the NYJ'
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Saleh on Michael Kay at 4.
Joe Douglas on Michael Kay at 5.
Hate TMKS and Kay in general but Okayyyy
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He seems like a good dude. Thanking reporters after questions. Not condescending in any way. It's hard to screw up an intro presser unless you did lines of coke in the bathroom before and have crazy eyes, but so far, I like him a lot.
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This is just overall awkward.
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saleh starts writing on a post-it note, passing it to JD who then passes it to CJ
note reads 'I resign as HC of the NYJ'
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LMFAOOOOO bro what an absolute nerd
It took Hughes all week to think of both parts of that question in between playing Spider-Man and watching Star Wars
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A head coach who head coaches and trusts his coaches to call plays!
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Won't call defensive plays. Interesting.
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Did we ever announce Jeff Ulbrich as DC?
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Ulbrich confirmed
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Did we ever announce Ulbrich as DC?
I think he just did
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This is just overall awkward.
would seem a bit more natural were it not for social distance zooming with multiple people sitting at a table
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"I'm going to be Woody's Dowell."
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All gas, no Gase.
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Woody back to HNIC
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All gas, no brake.
He's going to have to learn how to use the jug-handles.
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He seems like a good dude. Thanking reporters after questions. Not condescending in any way. It's hard to screw up an intro presser unless you did lines of coke in the bathroom before and have crazy eyes, but so far, I like him a lot.
Gase came to our introductory presser straight up zooted
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LAFLEUR CONFIRMED COME ONNNNNNNNNN
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Plz say Hyperdrive
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'nobody knows the [shanahan system] better than [lafleur] does' - saleh
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Offensive identity, for freaking once
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LAFLEUR CONFIRMED COME ONNNNNNNNNN
AOC is a Jets fan
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This is just overall awkward.
but not even close to the level of awkward from the Gase presser.
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Woody back to HNIC
freak off, we only just managed to get rid of Don Cherry and now you want another old white conservative on Hockey Night In Canada?
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Carlin sucks
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Gase came to our introductory presser straight up zooted
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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All gas, no brake.
He's going to have to learn how to use the jug-handles.
Gotta learn a little move called the Piscataway Drift
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but not even close to the level of awkward from the Gase presser.
That presser felt criminal against Jets fans
Like what the freak did we do to deserve that excrement
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AOC is a Jets fan
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF WHAT A FVCKIN BEAUTY
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freak off, we only just managed to get rid of Don Cherry and now you want another old white conservative on Hockey Night In Canada?
No one enjoyed this.
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Carlin sucks
Agreed, what did he ask?
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That presser felt criminal against Jets fans
Like what the freak did we do to deserve that excrement
Fired Rex
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
lol that presser was one of the most embarrassing events in recent sports memory and one of the most ominous days in this franchise's history
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Fired Rex
Yup
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Christopher just found out he's Muslim. Good thing he's off camera.
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No one enjoyed this.
Whew, tough crowd
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Gotta learn a little move called the Piscataway Drift
we need snookie to teach him the jersey turnpike
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Whew, tough crowd
i still haven't forgiven you for ruining my world/showing me the ginger schmuck that's smashing AOC every night
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we need snookie to teach him the jersey turnpike
the Dylan Donohue detour into oncoming traffic in the Lincoln tunnel
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we need snookie to teach him the jersey turnpike
mmmmm Arbys
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what the hell kind of a question is that?
'what processes do you have in place to make sure that saleh isn't a creep or pedophile?'
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Did you speak to any women?
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"do you like have like a process in like place so like my derriere doesn't get like credit carded in like the locker room?"
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i still haven't forgiven you for ruining my world/showing me the ginger schmuck that's smashing AOC every night
She goes for nerdy schmucks, you got this bro
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Andrew Rosario needs to cut back by about a pack and a half.
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So many two-part questions.
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I was not expecting John L. Smith to be namedropped in this press conference.
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Andrew Rosario needs to cut back by about a pack and a half.
lol...just about to post this
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"do you like have like a process in like place so like my derriere doesn't get like credit carded in like the locker room?"
LMFAOOO this is deadass how he asked the question
how do these people end up with these jobs?
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So many two-part questions.
“The statement that this reporter has is a question...”
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"do you like have like a process in like place so like my derriere doesn't get like credit carded in like the locker room?"
"Will you commit to no towel snaps?"
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what the hell kind of a question is that?
'what processes do you have in place to make sure that saleh isn't a creep or pedophile?'
It's 100% got to do with the Jared Porter Mets debacle, I would assume. Kind of an awkward question with the guy right there.
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“The statement that this reporter has is a question...”
Perd Hapley?
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"No Taylor Ham sandwiches in the tailgate lot, or any other pork products for religious reasons, but they will be replaced with the "Bourbon Turban" that can be worn into the stadium."
- Coach Salad
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Welp, I don’t want to kill myself so this is a marked improvement from last time
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ERIC ALLEN SZN
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"Banish Behta.... New York Weekly News...I have a 27 part question for Adam Gase.."
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Welp, I don’t want to kill myself so this is a marked improvement from last time
THIS
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It's 100% got to do with the Jared Porter Mets debacle, I would assume. Kind of an awkward question with the guy right there.
i understand that, but there's a time and a place for everything. you can ask that question if you ever have CJ or JD one - on - one. if you want to be an awkward loser you ask JD if saleh is a creep at saleh's introductory presser with saleh sitting right next to JD
some of our reporters are absolutely clueless whores
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i understand that, but there's a time and a place for everything. you can ask that question if you ever have CJ or JD one - on - one. if you want to be an awkward loser you ask JD if saleh is a creep at saleh's introductory presser with saleh sitting right next to JD
some of our reporters are absolutely clueless whores
"Some"
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LMFAOOO this is deadass how he asked the question
how do these people end up with these jobs?
Those who can't do, report?
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Perd Hapley?
More like Turd Craply
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
#Jets CEO Christopher Johnson says the organizational structure has changed.
Joe Douglas will report to Johnson. Robert Saleh will report to Douglas.
This is just so huge, it can't be overstated. It's the crucial systemic change most of us thought would never happen.
I'd love to know when this was discussed. I'll bet anything it was worked out during Joe Douglas' negotiations. "If Gase succeeds, fine, but if not then we do it my way."
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This is just so huge, it can't be overstated. It's the crucial systemic change most of us thought would never happen.
I'd love to know when this was discussed. I'll bet anything it was worked out during Joe Douglas' negotiations. "If Gase succeeds, fine, but if not then we do it my way."
This is how we had it for a while while the team was successful from 2000 through 2012.
For many years we had no GM and it was a mess, then we had a couple bad ones before Parcells took over the whole show. After Parcells we went with the standard GM-coach reporting structure before they fired Tannanbaum and changed it.
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This is just so huge, it can't be overstated. It's the crucial systemic change most of us thought would never happen.
I'd love to know when this was discussed. I'll bet anything it was worked out during Joe Douglas' negotiations. "If Gase succeeds, fine, but if not then we do it my way."
Chris said during the press conference that it really doesn't change things that much. And I tend to agree with him.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we did it. But yes, it can be overstated, and calling it a "crucial systemic change" is overstating it.
If you have the right people in place, the reporting structure is irrelevant. The problem is we have had bad GMs and coaches.
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Chris said during the press conference that it really doesn't change things that much.
What response were you expecting from him?
"Yes, reducing my involvement in football operations will help this team tremendously."
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What response were you expecting from him?
"Yes, reducing my involvement in football operations will help this team tremendously."
I don't think it really changes things. I don't think CJ is that involved making football decisions.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Saleh has literally never met Woody, so it might be easier for him to report to the one guy he has met.
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I don't think it really changes things. I don't think CJ is that involved making football decisions.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Saleh has literally never met Woody, so it might be easier for him to report to the one guy he has met.
How does it not change anything? The entire chain of command is different. Having both the HC and GM at the same level is a potential disaster if there's a discrepancy between the 2.
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I don't think it really changes things. I don't think CJ is that involved making football decisions.
Yeah, I don't either. I don't think he's willing or capable of making football decisions of any kind. Which is why it's absolutely asinine to have the guy whose job it is to make football decisions answer directly to him.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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20m
Saleh says he reached out to all the players via text. Says he has an “open door.” Has bumped into a few at the facility. #Jets
Gase still hasn't met Kelechi Osemele
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Gase still hasn't met Kelechi Osemele
No but he has keyed freak You into Osemele’s car several times since June.
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How does it not change anything? The entire chain of command is different. Having both the HC and GM at the same level is a potential disaster if there's a discrepancy between the 2.
That would be problematic regardless of the structure.
Bring in the right people and the structure is irrelevant.
There are successful teams that do it both ways. I am happy we changed the structure because we have nothing to lose, but I don't think this is some magic elixir.
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enunwa's first communication from gase was seeing his name up on a screen with a fine amount next to it LMAO
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Anyone else listening to Kay? Not a ton of new info.
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Orlovsky on the radio saying he thinks Saleh was the best HC hire of the off-season.
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https://twitter.com/rotowear/status/1352363795264499713?s=21
All Gas, No Brake
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https://twitter.com/rotowear/status/1352363795264499713?s=21
All Gas, No Brake
That watermark is actually pretty funny
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1352701451697614853?s=20
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Having listened to most Robert Saleh interviews I could find over the last two days, the thing I like most is that he seems confident in our identity. Shanahan-style offense, Saleh-style defense. He keeps preaching that he knows what types of players he wants to fit the system, and it's easy to buy it.
The last two coaches have been completely dull and mostly terrible. The last coach we had that had success here was Rex in his first two seasons. He brought a sense of bravado and made it a lot of fun to be a Jets fan, mostly because of the playoff wins.
There's a lot of Rex in Robert Saleh. He's said in interviews that we will win championships. He's got a mantra of "All Gas, No Brake" to try to build some swagger. He's also got plenty of clips of showing emotion on the sideline.
But the difference is that Saleh says it in a confident way where he isn't trying to be braggadocious at all. Saleh is just convinced that with his defensive vision along with the Shanahan system on offense that the Jets can't help but succeed. And that makes it more sustainable. I hope.
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The all gas no breaks thing is getting ridden so freaking hard that we're all going to be deathly sick of it before the draft
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The all gas no breaks thing is getting ridden so freaking hard that we're all going to be deathly sick of it before the draft
To that I say:
All Gas, No Break
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The all gas no breaks thing is getting ridden so freaking hard that we're all going to be deathly sick of it before the draft
Already there.
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The all gas no breaks thing is getting ridden so freaking hard that we're all going to be deathly sick of it before the draft
I'm already sick of it
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Already there.
I'm already sick of it
Still better than "All Gase, no offense"
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Still better than "All Gase"
FTFY
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Still better than "All Gase, no offense"
LMFAO
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The all gas no breaks thing is getting ridden so freaking hard that we're all going to be deathly sick of it before the draft
I'm already tired of it
I haven't heard that excrement in like a decade lol
People acting like he invented it
But hes a legitimately passionate coach with respect from players we should be thanking the football gods lol
Now we just need the personnel to actually run this defense
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I would advise y’all to not let me know how annoying it is, that will only fuel my fire
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I would advise y’all to not let me know how annoying it is, that will only fuel my fire
What fuels the fire?
All Gas
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Perhaps if we repeat it enough people will learn the difference between "brake" and "break".
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Perhaps if we repeat it enough people will learn the difference between "brake" and "break".
Broake
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I'm already tired of it
I haven't heard that excrement in like a decade lol
People acting like he invented it
It's gritty reboot of the phrase.
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Broake
Watkins
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/Allgasnobrake.jpg)
These holy rollers used it 15 years back
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Need to change thread title to the standard "house of worship" title. I saw "a Saleh alaikum" on twitter. Maybe Robert Saleh Mosque of Fertility.
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"Do not lead your offense into the red zone... if you do, Saleh-din will attack you there. And if you retreat from this attack the shame and reproach will be very great."
~Gerard de Ridefort
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Perhaps if we repeat it enough people will learn the difference between "brake" and "break".
I realized that after writing it out but was far too lazy to change it
But also assumed it was intended as a double entendre
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All derriere, no face
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All derriere, no face
All salt, no wing.
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All Gase, No Barack
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"Do not lead your offense into the red zone... if you do, Saleh-din will attack you there. And if you retreat from this attack the shame and reproach will be very great."
~Gerard de Ridefort
i like word-playing saleh with saladin
All derriere, no face
you honestly dont need anything more than this, but anything more is a huge plus
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/25/mmqb-conference-championships-buccaneers-chiefs-super-bowl-daily-cover
the section on Saleh and why he chose the Jets is a great read.
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All derriere, no face
That's why they keep the lights dim at the bar, my friend.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/25/mmqb-conference-championships-buccaneers-chiefs-super-bowl-daily-cover
the section on Saleh and why he chose the Jets is a great read.
Yep. That's how I've wanted to optimistically look at the situation. While the Johnsons aren't good owners, I don't think they actively sabotage things. Christopher seems like a genuinely nice person who is in over his head and wants things to succeed. Woody seemed somewhat similar until the comments about him came out. And everything you hear about Douglas is positive.
I've made the case for a while that even though I think the Johnsons are incompetent, they could absolutely luck into the right hires. I don't think they are in there meddling saying "sign this player" or "trade/draft this guy." I think they are trying to let the guys they hire run the show. They just haven't been good at hiring the right people. And if they were a little in the past, I don't think they are with Douglas.
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https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1353828024848969728
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https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1353828024848969728
Lol the comments are all tards telling him to trade for Watson
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Lol the comments are all tards telling him to trade for Watson
I liked each and every one of them
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I liked each and every one of them
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1353829853095731201?s=21
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/25/mmqb-conference-championships-buccaneers-chiefs-super-bowl-daily-cover
the section on Saleh and why he chose the Jets is a great read.
It just goes to show you how big an impact Joe Douglas has already had on the organization. The perception around the league is we were a disorganized disaster. Saleh shows up to the interview expecting that and is blown away by how professional everything operates and how different it was than whatever anyone had told him to expect.
That mess is because we had inappropriate leadership at the top of the football side since Tannenbaum was ousted. Thank god we actually have a guy who is competent in running an organization now.
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lol he said he was expecting everything to be disorganized lmfao
if the perception around the league actually is anything similar to 'the jets are such a mess that they probably wouldn't even be able to put together an organized, cohesive presentation and sales pitch on zoom' then we must be thought of very, very poorly around the league
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lol he said he was expecting everything to be disorganized lmfao
if the perception around the league actually is anything similar to 'the jets are such a mess that they probably wouldn't even be able to put together an organized, cohesive presentation and sales pitch on zoom' then we must be thought of very, very poorly around the league
I mean we haven't made the playoffs in a decade, just went 2-14 and we recently fired our GM immediately after the draft. It is well-earned.
I think the Johnsons mean well as owners but aren't good judges of people and are somewhat incompetent. But I've always said that they can luck into the right combination at some point. Let's hope this is the right group. If it is, ownership won't matter.
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I mean we haven't made the playoffs in a decade, just went 2-14 and we recently fired our GM immediately after the draft. It is well-earned.
I think the Johnsons mean well as owners but aren't good judges of people and are somewhat incompetent. But I've always said that they can luck into the right combination at some point. Let's hope this is the right group. If it is, ownership won't matter.
Well let's be honest Chris Johnson is completely incompetent. But in his defense he just dropped into a position he wasnt the slightest bit qualified for purely because of familial relations.
Woody Johnson was a freaking idiot for putting Chris Johnson in charge of the HC search.
I don't think any of us are qualified to say whether Woody is a competent or incompetent as an owner as I don't think he did a truly horrendous job. I'd say odds are he's probably somewhere in the middle of the pack. But the excrement with his brother was freaking stupid
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I mean we haven't made the playoffs in a decade, just went 2-14 and we recently fired our GM immediately after the draft. It is well-earned.
I think the Johnsons mean well as owners but aren't good judges of people and are somewhat incompetent. But I've always said that they can luck into the right combination at some point. Let's hope this is the right group. If it is, ownership won't matter.
The first 10-12 years they owned the team they were reasonably lucky and had mostly good football people. Any time they fire people and rebuild they take their chances because they don't know what they're doing. Having Douglas this time might have saved them, we'll see.
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Do you think Saleh knows this guy?
https://youtu.be/8DyTXpnFpZU
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Do you think Saleh knows this guy?
https://youtu.be/8DyTXpnFpZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DyTXpnFpZU&feature=youtu.be
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Sent from Robert Saleh's NOS-boosted Honda Civic
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https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-hc-robert-saleh-still-non-committal-on-sam-darnold-says-he-s-an-unbelievabl
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I like this guy. He's smart and knows how to get the people he wants on his side revved up and pulling for him.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/01/why-robert-saleh-thinks-jets-fans-are-more-invested-than-giants-fans.html
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I like this guy. He's smart and knows how to get the people he wants on his side revved up and pulling for him.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/01/why-robert-saleh-thinks-jets-fans-are-more-invested-than-giants-fans.html
Nice reference JE even if NYG fans would/might have a legitimate argument that Saleh (being a Michigan native/ San Fran coach) is being presumptuous in defining the respective NY fan bases....not that I disagree since---in his defense---Jet fans wear wear green and Giant fans wear plaid.
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Bob Salad. Winner.
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Robert Saleh thinking UMichigan is trash already makes him the best coach in Jets history.
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https://www.newyorkjets.com/fans/sweepstakes/saleh-helmet
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https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1370137452606808070
We hired the guy that holds him back!
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(https://imgur.com/hTA8O8u.jpg)
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(https://imgur.com/hTA8O8u.jpg)
Replace with nut button when Pocket Fuckers kills Josh Allen.
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Replace with nut button when Pocket Fuckers kills Josh Allen.
Is that the nickname of a particular player or just what we're calling out entire d line?
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Is that the nickname of a particular player or just what we're calling out entire d line?
It was a excrement name I made up for the line. I was drunk. Still better than Craftsman Truck Series. I like IHOP better.
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It was a excrement name I made up for the line. I was drunk. Still better than Craftsman Truck Series. I like IHOP better.
Get out
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Pocket Fuckers is solid
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All Gas Holes
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Pocket Fuckers is solid
Agreed, but its not something that can really be said in public.... Pocket stuffers? ;D
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Agreed, but its not something that can really be said in public.... Pocket stuffers? ;D
Pocket Romancers
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Agreed, but its not something that can really be said in public.... Pocket stuffers? ;D
Pocket Romancers
Hot Pockets
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Stool pusher iners
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Drilldos? Fuckzalls?
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excrement pushed in-ers?
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/fe43115485c342ad9030aafd6ffa4c15/tenor.gif)
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5/7 press conf
https://youtu.be/C-ampC4Gv28
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I have no idea if Saleh is going to be a good coach in the NFL or not. But I have yet to hear him discuss something philosophically that I disagree with. To me, it feels like Saleh is planning to do this the right way. If he can coach on game days as well as he gets across his message that we've heard since the day he was hired, he's going to be a damn good coach.
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I have no idea if Saleh is going to be a good coach in the NFL or not. But I have yet to hear him discuss something philosophically that I disagree with. To me, it feels like Saleh is planning to do this the right way. If he can coach on game days as well as he gets across his message that we've heard since the day he was hired, he's going to be a damn good coach.
He has a way of talking where he sounds like he knows exactly what he's talking about, and he's not just confident, but he's absolutely certain that it will work. He talks a great game without being braggadocious like Rex was. And the things he says make a lot of sense logically.
If he communicates to players like he communicates with media, we're off to a great start. Even his phone calls with players were fantastic.
"All gas, no brake" is the type of thing we will make fun of later if it doesn't work out, but as far as catch phrases go, it could get way worse.
Both Douglas and Saleh have pedigree where there are far more reasons to be optimistic than pessimistic about them. Hopefully, we now have the QB. GM and the HC in the building for sustained success.
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I just flat out enjoy listening to Saleh talk. He is a guy Jets fans are going to love rooting for. I really, really hope he can coach at a high level, because I hope he sticks around for a long time
Rich Eisen Show - 15 mins on the Wilson decision, Sam and a bit more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMVemZ_aJns&t=895s
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I just flat out enjoy listening to Saleh talk. He is a guy Jets fans are going to love rooting for. I really, really hope he can coach at a high level, because I hope he sticks around for a long time
Rich Eisen Show - 15 mins on the Wilson decision, Sam and a bit more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMVemZ_aJns&t=895s
Great listen, especially heartened about him not being afraid to play young guys, our last few coaches made their share of bad choices playing washed vets over higher ceiling young players.
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Great listen, especially heartened about him not being afraid to play young guys, our last few coaches made their share of bad choices playing washed vets over higher ceiling young players.
*Herman Edwards has entered the chat*
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*Herman Edwards has entered the chat*
Honestly Mangini was the only one with which I couldn't come up with an example of it.
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Honestly Mangini was the only one with which I couldn't come up with an example of it.
I don't really remember Parcells' player distribution. I know he liked "his guys" but he also gave Chrebet his shot over a bunch of (probably terrible) vets.
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I don't really remember Parcells' player distribution. I know he liked "his guys" but he also gave Chrebet his shot over a bunch of (probably terrible) vets.
I just meant going back to Herm, I don't have detailed specific memories of anyone before him.
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I don't really remember Parcells' player distribution. I know he liked "his guys" but he also gave Chrebet his shot over a bunch of (probably terrible) vets.
Actually it was Kotite who gave Chrebet his start, but confusing Kotite and Parcells is a common mistake.
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Actually it was Kotite who gave Chrebet his start, but confusing Kotite and Parcells is a common mistake.
OK so I have nothing for Parcells aside from Martin, then.
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I remember Parcells specifically bringing in "his" guys like Bryan Cox, Pepper Johnson, Roman Pfifer, Rick Lyle, etc. But some of those guys were absolute ballers, inclusive of course of Curtis who's one of the greatest backs of all time.
Imho, no one ever had a problem with it because the team stunk before he got there, and who cares about supplanting trash. The only move I bet he wishes he could have back was trading Hugh Douglas away for pennies on the dollar because he didn't like his attitude.
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I remember Parcells specifically bringing in "his" guys like Bryan Cox, Pepper Johnson, Roman Pfifer, Rick Lyle, etc. But some of those guys were absolute ballers, inclusive of course of Curtis who's one of the greatest backs of all time.
Imho, no one ever had a problem with it because the team stunk before he got there, and who cares about supplanting trash. The only move I bet he wishes he could have back was trading Hugh Douglas away for pennies on the dollar because he didn't like his attitude.
or putting James Farrior in the wrong position, and then letting him go in FA.
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or putting James Farrior in the wrong position, and then letting him go in FA.
Granted, you're correct in that Parcells spent major draft capital (especially when you consider the trade down) on Farrior and then totally miscast him.
But, off the strength of a very good 2001 season where it was pretty clear Farrior would fit in Herm's Tampa 2, the tandem of Bradherm was responsible for letting him walk under the thinking that Sam Cowart would come in and do better. Woopsie!
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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12m
Saleh said bringing in a veteran CB right now would "eat up reps." they want to give the young guys a chance.
Now we know why we didn't sign a vet in FA.
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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12m
Saleh said bringing in a veteran CB right now would "eat up reps." they want to give the young guys a chance.
Now we know why we didn't sign a vet in FA.
Yep, for me this was main takeaway from the presser.
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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12m
Saleh said bringing in a veteran CB right now would "eat up reps." they want to give the young guys a chance.
Now we know why we didn't sign a vet in FA.
So he's not bringing in a 37 year old vet and giving him every possible snap?
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That is fine for now but it is putting a lot of faith in those guys. Maybe they can surprise in this scheme.
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That is fine for now but it is putting a lot of faith in those guys. Maybe they can surprise in this scheme.
Or maybe they're eyeing a vet who doesn't need the early reps right now.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1403012393165328389?s=21
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1403012393165328389?s=21
Da Mecca
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https://twitter.com/SSN_Jets/status/1405992599983374336
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/07/19/mmqb-robert-saleh-jets-adversity-alex-gibbs-vaccines
this is a solid read
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https://twitter.com/rvacchianosny/status/1423336203156402179?s=21
My HC
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Cimini puff piece
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/87207/robert-saleh-captivates-new-york-jets-with-new-school-coaching-folksy-stories
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Cimini puff piece
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/87207/robert-saleh-captivates-new-york-jets-with-new-school-coaching-folksy-stories
Welcome to their new Camel-ot.
I hate journalism
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https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1436045904100876297?s=20
some Bob Salad ballwashing
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I'll hop on board if we win Sunday.
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I'll hop on board if we win Sunday.
non-believers can move along.
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non-believers can move along.
....said MBGreen in 2011-2020
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....said MBGreen in 2011-2020
I did move along.....to 2021.
And now it is, our time.
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I did move along.....to 2021.
And now it is, our time.
I have to confess that I am feeling especially sunshiney about the Jets currently, and am inclined to buy into your optimism.
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I have to confess that I am feeling especially sunshiney about the Jets currently, and am inclined to buy into your optimism.
You know...after 10 years of watching the garbage this franchise put out on the field, it's about time we have something to feel optimistic about. I get that we're still in a rebuild, i think we're finally heading in the right direction.
Bo's spirit is forever broken unfortunately.
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If all I get out of this administration is a single hopeful summer then it's still significantly more than I got from The Adam Gase Show.
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If all I get out of this administration is a single hopeful summer then it's still significantly more than I got from The Adam Gase Show.
Some fool invited Gase to Ravens' practice.....and now they're paying the iron price.
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Other than being beaten down by this franchise for the last decade, this looks like it could be a promising season.
Rookie quarterbacks are always exciting to watch, especially when they have a decent offensive line and weapons. We haven't had a quarterback, offensive line, and weapons in the same season in a decade. Granted, Wilson could bust and the OL might not be great, but on paper, it looks promising.
Plus, the coach sounds like he knows what he's doing. And this draft class has been getting a lot of hype. We might have 5-6 rookie starters. That's unheard of. Hopefully that's because they're good and not because the rest of the team sucks.
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I'm not the least bit ashamed to say, "I'll believe it when I see it." Yes, there's reason to be upbeat, but there was reason to be upbeat every time we hired a new coach (except Gase) and signed some new players.
I'm not sold on any facet of this team until I see it in real games. Sure we are better off since Gase was fired, but when you are at the bottom, there's only one way to go. I'm hopeful we will be good and I certainly pull for the Jets no matter what, but I'm not getting my hopes up just to be let down by a 4-13 season with 87 injuries.
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Plus, the coach sounds like he knows what he's doing. And this draft class has been getting a lot of hype. We might have 5-6 rookie starters. That's unheard of. Hopefully that's because they're good and not because the rest of the team sucks.
Well I think that our offensive guys, Wilson AVT and Moore are looking like the real deal. Nasrildeen, Sherwood and whomever gets the nod at CB opposite Hall? They might well be guys playing purely because everyone else sucks too, but hopefully not and more importantly hope is there that at least one of those guys ends up a real player because of this experience
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I'm not the least bit ashamed to say, "I'll believe it when I see it." Yes, there's reason to be upbeat, but there was reason to be upbeat every time we hired a new coach (except Gase) and signed some new players.
I'm not sold on any facet of this team until I see it in real games. Sure we are better off since Gase was fired, but when you are at the bottom, there's only one way to go. I'm hopeful we will be good and I certainly pull for the Jets no matter what, but I'm not getting my hopes up just to be let down by a 4-13 season with 87 injuries.
No
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https://twitter.com/byjoeychandler/status/1436374070350827529?s=21
This is pretty cool
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Remember when our last head coach struggled to speak without being a giant poopchute
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Remember when our last head coach struggled to speak without being a giant poopchute
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https://twitter.com/byjoeychandler/status/1436374070350827529?s=21
This is pretty cool
Yes it is.
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Remember when our last head coach struggled to speak without being a giant poopchute
Yes I do.
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https://twitter.com/NFLFilms/status/1436362573323112454
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1437078473076584449?s=21
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Asked if there's a broken trust, Saleh said he doesn't judge people until he meets them and he didn't meet Maye until June.
We're gonna sign some good free agents because of this guy...
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Saleh didn't meet one of the leaders of our defense until 5 months after he was hired.
#fireSaleh #hireRex
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We're gonna sign some good free agents because of this guy...
Dude is one charismatic son of a gun, that’s for sure. And I believe we already got Carl Lawson and Jarrod Davis because they wanted to play for Saleh. Sadly both have been hurt, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t play a big role in them ultimately picking the Jets to play for
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Sign defensive talent, draft offensive talent.
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The honeymoon is over. I don't think Saleh is (or should be) on the hot seat, but this is an unacceptable result, even with our injuries and other issues.
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Yeah, he’s got to fix this.
Our run defense shouldn’t fall off that much without CJ Mosley.
And our offensive scheme needs a complete overhaul.
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This is looking like it's going to get ugly to the point he may very well find himself on the hottest of seats going into Year 2.
He's staring down the barrel of having Mike White under center for a prolonged period of time including two of the most winnable games remaining on schedule (really 3 if you want to count the Colts on a short week).
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This is looking like it's going to get ugly to the point he may very well find himself on the hottest of seats going into Year 2.
He's staring down the barrel of having Mike White under center for a prolonged period of time including two of the most winnable games remaining on schedule (really 3 if you want to count the Colts on a short week).
If Adam Gase wasn't on the hot seat after one season despite clearly conning his way into the job, then Saleh isn't either.
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This is looking like it's going to get ugly to the point he may very well find himself on the hottest of seats going into Year 2.
He's staring down the barrel of having Mike White under center for a prolonged period of time including two of the most winnable games remaining on schedule (really 3 if you want to count the Colts on a short week).
I forgot that was a TNF game, I was also viewing that game as winnable.
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I didn't think we'd be good this year, but I didn't think we'd be...this.
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https://twitter.com/RVacchianoSNY/status/1452373496743481351?s=20
He's not wrong. I'm still 100% a believer in him.
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If Adam Gase wasn't on the hot seat after one season despite clearly conning his way into the job, then Saleh isn't either.
Gase was on the hot seat going into his second year, as he had significantly more heat on him from the start. Gase also went 7-9 his first year. This team won't come close.
I'm not throwing in the towel on anyone, nor making the case Saleh should be on any sort of hot seat. Lets see how he gets this team to respond, but looking at the schedule and qb situation, this has the potential to get fairly ugly before Zach gets back to hopefully take all important reps and beat the Jaguars in a game most Jet fans are likely going to want them to lose for draft implications.
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Gase was on the hot seat going into his second year, as he had significantly more heat on him from the start. Gase also went 7-9 his first year. This team won't come close.
I'm not throwing in the towel on anyone, nor making the case Saleh should be on any sort of hot seat. Lets see how he gets this team to respond, but looking at the schedule and qb situation, this has the potential to get fairly ugly before Zach gets back to hopefully take all important reps and beat the Jaguars in a game most Jet fans are likely going to want them to lose for draft implications.
We played a bunch of doo doo butter to get most of those wins.
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beat the Jaguars in a game most Jet fans are likely going to want them to lose for draft implications.
Any Jets fan who feels like this deserves to get punched in the nose.
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If Adam Gase wasn't on the hot seat after one season despite clearly conning his way into the job, then Saleh isn't either.
He was absolutely on the hot seat after one season, what are you talking about? Most fans wanted him gone, and even the people who defended him (like me) were indifferent on whether he returned. He could have been fired after year 1, and nobody would have been upset.
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Any Jets fan who feels like this deserves to get punched in the nose.
The second half of this season is going to be depressing as hell. So many games against teams we're competing against for draft position. Two against Miami. Houston. Jacksonville. Maybe even Philadelphia. Those games are so depressing to watch
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The second half of this season is going to be depressing as hell. So many games against teams we're competing against for draft position. Two against Miami. Houston. Jacksonville. Maybe even Philadelphia. Those games are so depressing to watch
No they aren't. They're opportunities to win. That you would be conflicted about wanting to is pretty distasteful.
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No they aren't. They're opportunities to win. That you would be conflicted about wanting to is pretty distasteful.
I'm not there yet, but if we're 1-12 and Mike White is playing and Wilson is out for the season, sorry if I'm not going to be rah rah rooting for wins.
If Wilson is playing, it's a moot point.
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We played a bunch of doo doo butter to get most of those wins.
Falcons aren't good Pats are 1-4 if they don't play the Jets.
I'm not here to somehow get involved in a debate about the past, I'm just saying, 2-15 might now be in firm sight. If that's the case, he's absolutely looking at an accelerated hot seat next year.
Any Jets fan who feels like this deserves to get punched in the nose.
Agreed completely, but you know people are going to be hoping the Jags beat us for draft position.
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It's a lot different rooting for a new regime and new quarterback trying to win games late in the season than it is with a dead coach walking, and a QB you've lost faith in.
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The beard stays.
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The beard stays.
Yep.
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r/gifsyoucanhear
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Brb, gonna go run stadium steps.
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Props to Saleh for getting the team ready to play considering all of the factors that would've made it easy for them to come out flat.
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Props to Saleh for getting the team ready to play considering all of the factors that would've made it easy for them to come out flat.
Absolutely.
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It was the beard.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets_media/status/1456281595464359936?s=21
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https://twitter.com/nyjets_media/status/1456281595464359936?s=21
I don't think he actually headbutted him, and I wouldn't want the head coach headbutting players anyway.
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I don't think he actually headbutted him, and I wouldn't want the head coach headbutting players anyway.
"Robert Saleh encouraging CTE risk in players......my story."
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1460353469529927683
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1460353469529927683
Rex is a loud mouth...always has been, always will be.
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Rex is a loud mouth...always has been, always will be.
Which is why he is a terrible coach. His teams will never be disciplined because they are too emotional.
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It's literally what he's paid to do. ESPN isn't interested in him saying "yeah, it's a bit tough for them right now but it will take time, they'll figure it out, no big deal". It's a level below First Take commentary, but only one.
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Saleh is a little bit feisty towards other coaches. He clearly wasn't happy when the Panthers claimed Morgan. He's made some comments about teams running up the score. Now he fights back against Rex.
I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing (especially in a case like this, where Rex is clearly attacking him, and I assume they played the clip for him).
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Man, I can't wait for 2024 when former Jets coaches Robert Saleh and Rex Ryan compete in a tag team match with David Saleh and Rob Ryan on the undercard of Jake Paul vs Jorge Masvidal II.
"I've walked over tougher guys going to a fight than Channing Crowder/Robert Saleh."
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Bob Salad's bro chimes in...and it's a beauty
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1460379609132851211?s=20
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Sounds like Rex made friends with Salad.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Saleh backs DC Jeff Ulbrich: “Jeff does a great job.” #Jets
i don't think so, bob.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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29m
Saleh backs DC Jeff Ulbrich: “Jeff does a great job.” #Jets
i don't think so, bob.
There's always the possibility that, hear me out now.....the players suck.
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There's always the possibility that, hear me out now.....the players suck.
It can be two things.
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There's always the possibility that, hear me out now.....the players suck.
Ulbrich was nothing special when he was Atlanta's DC either. I'm just going with the trends and what i've seen so far.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Saleh backs DC Jeff Ulbrich: “Jeff does a great job.” #Jets
i don't think so, bob.
https://youtu.be/MpUWrl3-mc8
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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29m
Saleh backs DC Jeff Ulbrich: “Jeff does a great job.” #Jets
i don't think so, bob.
Until he’s ready to fire a guy, what’s he supposed to say “honestly dudes been a disaster, worst defense I’ve ever seen. Just waiting until black Monday to fire him”
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Until he’s ready to fire a guy, what’s he supposed to say “honestly dudes been a disaster, worst defense I’ve ever seen. Just waiting until black Monday to fire him”
dude...nobody expects Saleh to excrement on his staff to the media. It was tongue-in-cheek. Settle down.
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Would be pretty shocked if he gets fired after this year. I imagine Saleh will give his staff 2 years. The Jets defense has so little talent on it that it's hard to judge in some ways.
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Would be pretty shocked if he gets fired after this year. I imagine Saleh will give his staff 2 years. The Jets defense has so little talent on it that it's hard to judge in some ways.
I agree with this.
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I doubt anyone important is getting fired. Maybe a couple position coaches move around.
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Our defense has to be one of the slowest in recent memory. That's league wide.
We are slow on the DL, at LB, and in the secondary. Davis is the only player in the backhalf that can run. It'll be nice to have Echols back.
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1470447987000291329?s=21
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One obvious way to knock Saleh is that the Jets are the worst team against the spread in the NFL. Expectations are low for the Jets most weeks from oddsmakers, and we still can't even meet those expectations.
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Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
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3m
#Jets HC Robert Saleh has tested positive for COVID-19. TEs coach Ron Middleton will serve as the acting head coach if Saleh doesn’t clear protocols before Sunday’s game vs. Jacksonville.
who the freak is Ron Middleton?
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Best TE coach/backup HC in the league
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Taught Ryan Griffin everything he knows
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Best TE coach/backup HC in the league
I hear he saw something in Daniel Brown
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NYDN headline after we lose
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The stars are really aligning here.
As long as Wilson isn't out with covid we probably lose this one.
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Dennis Waszak Jr.
@DWAZ73
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Middleton, btw, was the Jaguars' tight ends coach during an 8-year stint before joining Saleh's staff with the #Jets this year.
He also was also a special teams assistant for 3 of those seasons.
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Middleton revenge game, no chance we lose
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Middleton revenge game, no chance we lose
All over but the shouting.
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What if the correct strategy was “Moderate amount of gas, use brakes when necessary”
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What if the correct strategy was “Moderate amount of gas, use brakes when necessary”
As opposed to "all gas, no brakes, we'll worry about shifting out of park at some point in the future"?
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As opposed to "all gas, no brakes, we'll worry about shifting out of park at some point in the future"?
They used my approach: All gas.
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All prrt so break
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Amidst all the fun of the season I had completely missed this story.
https://sportsgrindentertainment.com/jets-coach-saleh-sues-nj-contractors-for-shoddy-home-renovations/
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https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1487080973904846855?s=21
Oh word
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Lots of Saleh in today's MMQB. Seems like he really likes the roster, guessing he's still not the most thrilled by the linebackers reading between the lines a little:
“The athletes, we’re excited about for sure,” Saleh continued. “Obviously, we believe they fit our system, and fit what we’re trying to get accomplished. Our front seven, it is long and athletic, we’ve got a bunch of three-techniques and a bunch of rush ends—throw four guys on the field and let’s go play. And we got C.J. [Mosley] and Quincy [Williams], and revamped the entire back end …
Also exciting: how the new pieces on defense are fitting together. This, really, is where Saleh and I went initially, when he was taking me through how he can hear the difference this year in the on-field communication versus where it was at this point in 2021.
“Lamarcus Joyner missed all of last year, and we added Jordan Whitehead, getting D.J. Reed in there, there’s new faces on that back end. Those three guys in particular, understanding the nuances of our scheme and what we’re being asked to do. The entire safety group, for the most part, is relatively new. … And you can tell they were getting comfortable as Phase II came to a close. Now it’s just, can you take it to Phase III, and let’s roll into training camp.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/23/robert-saleh-jets-optimistic-bills-community-mmqb
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Zach Wilson’s mullet confirmed by Saleh
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I've changed my mindset. I think BARRING RIDICULOUS INJURIES again, the Jets will be competitive this year and push near .500. They have made too many upgrades and have too much talent coming back from injury to excrement the bed. To me, large amounts of injuries is the only thing that would derail things. Saleh is a big part of it. This team wants to run through a wall for him. We haven't had that since Rex.
I don't know about the playoffs, but I just want this team to be in every game until the end and a team that no one wants to play regardless of their record.
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I've changed my mindset. I think BARRING RIDICULOUS INJURIES again, the Jets will be competitive this year and push near .500. They have made too many upgrades and have too much talent coming back from injury to excrement the bed. To me, large amounts of injuries is the only thing that would derail things. Saleh is a big part of it. This team wants to run through a wall for him. We haven't had that since Rex.
I don't know about the playoffs, but I just want this team to be in every game until the end and a team that no one wants to play regardless of their record.
I expect you to change your mind again tomorrow.
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I expect you to change your mind again tomorrow.
Probably today
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Probably today
haha
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Per PFF
We have the worst coach in the NFL
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2022/06/08/pro-football-focus-new-york-jets-robert-saleh-nfl-worst-coach/
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Gotta love jets clickbait articles. They know we are morons who will click on any “fear” or “hero” based article headline. Moderate takes we simply will read the headline, go “yup makes sense” and not click a thing
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Someone has to come in last.
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I'll be honest, I don't understand why people seem to love Dan Campbell so much. He seems like an absolute bell end.
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Should have pulled Quincy after the cheap shot today.
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1558286312049876992?s=20&t=Azp3ToDfVZE-_WsCHJKu7w
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Should have pulled Quincy after the cheap shot today.
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1558286312049876992?s=20&t=Azp3ToDfVZE-_WsCHJKu7w
I thought the same thing immediately...get his unaware a$$ on the bench.
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Could be a turning point for the Saleh era for the way he is treated by the fanbase and media.
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Why would ...that... be the turning point?
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Why would ...that... be the turning point?
I'm sure you can figure it out.
He's putting a target squarely on his back. If we win 3-5 games this year, fans and media will shove that receipts line in his face all season and all offseason if he survives. If we have a good season and he's the answer, this could be a turning point the other way.
I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing. But he's definitely adding more pressure on himself. When you basically taunt the media and fans who doubt the Jets, you better win, or the doubters will be significantly louder.
I don't think people have even been that critical of Saleh and the Jets. He got a free pass last year. Now, there's a bigger microscope.
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I actually think Saleh should double down and starting reading out the home addresses of beat reporters at each press conference.
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Could be a turning point for the Saleh era for the way he is treated by the fanbase and media.
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Why's he concerning himself (and giving power to) external noise? That's only a needless distraction.
Put your head down and concentrate on your team Bobby Baldeh.
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Bobby Baldeh.
this is on par with how bad Mevi$ and Beavi$ were
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this is on par with how bad Mevi$ and Beavi$ were
haha
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this is on par with how bad Mevi$ and Beavi$ were
Glad you enjoyed
https://baldheadedbobby.com
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https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1581770844644118528?t=SG-J33ISQQ1ALeuw7SbcfA&s=19
Brutally drowning your opponent > kneecap biting
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Could be a turning point for the Saleh era for the way he is treated by the fanbase and media.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FciA3GXXkAg0exl?format=jpg&name=small)
6-2 since we've come to collect receipts. Turning point for Saleh and the entire administration.
I was really unsure about Saleh entering this year. He seemed likable and talked a big game, but he was way too conservative in big spots, and the team success wasn't there, even compared to expectations (i.e. betting lines).
Unbelievable job by Saleh, Douglas, and everyone turning this team around. The most promising coach we've had in a long time.
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Are we talking about Saleh being in the COTY conversation yet?
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Are we talking about Saleh being in the COTY conversation yet?
Sirianni was a pretty heavy favorite, followed closely by Daboll.
To me, it's a 5-man race between Sirianni, Daboll, Saleh, Carroll and O'Connell.
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Sirianni was a pretty heavy favorite, followed closely by Daboll.
To me, it's a 5-man race between Sirianni, Daboll, Saleh, Carroll and O'Connell.
I don't see how Daboll isn't the runaway favourite.
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I don't see how Daboll isn't the runaway favourite.
The problem is you need to project it forward. Nobody thinks the Giants are that good, while the Eagles have a realistic shot at 15+ wins. If the Giants go 6-3 in the 2nd half after going 5-2 in the 1st half, Daboll should have a stronger case, but people don't think that will happen.
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Saleh should get it just on the fact the Jets are underdogs on a weekly basis....and winning
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Saleh should get it just on the fact the Jets are underdogs on a weekly basis....and winning
So are the Giants and Seahawks. Three great coaching jobs.
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So are the Giants and Seahawks. Three great coaching jobs.
The Giants don't impress me....but Geno winning games is certainly worth considering
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No consecutive losses so far this year - would be a notable accomplishment if they can do that for the full season. I'm not sure when/if the Jets have ever done that before. I'm combing through the season index and going back to 1998 I can't find an instance of it.
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No consecutive losses so far this year - would be a notable accomplishment if they can do that for the full season. I'm not sure when/if the Jets have ever done that before. I'm combing through the season index and going back to 1998 I can't find an instance of it.
Thank you Cleveland.
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Found the answer: 1985
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1985.htm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3txjmyA6XZM
Saleh mic'd up during Bears game.
Main takeaway -Saleh's favorite word is "dawg"
On a side note - I noticed we're playing some loud boat horn after scoring a TD. Sounds similar to the horn New England plays during home games. Is that new for us? I don't remember that during the Miami game...or I was too wasted to remember
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Perhaps the best thing about this season is that I'm extremely confident in Saleh being very good.
He always seemed like a great leader and communicator and face of the franchise. The communication seemed dicey early in the year, and I was worried with how he was handling media. Last year, I didn't love his in-game management either. But all of those seem to have improved dramatically.
We've dealt with a bunch of injuries. We've had two receivers ask for trades. Maybe that's a mild knock on Saleh, but I think he handled both very well, and the Moore stuff looks like it could be a thing of the past.
He handled the Zach Wilson drama well, too.
Ulbrich and LaFleur also had questions entering this season. Nobody is complaining about Ulbrich anymore. I like LaFleur, too, though I don't want to start that argument here.
Can't remember the last time I was this confident in a coach. Probably 2009-10 Rex, but I feel we all knew that Rex would run his course at some point. Saleh could be here 10-15 years and I wouldn't be that surprised.
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Perhaps the best thing about this season is that I'm extremely confident in Saleh being very good.
He always seemed like a great leader and communicator and face of the franchise. The communication seemed dicey early in the year, and I was worried with how he was handling media. Last year, I didn't love his in-game management either. But all of those seem to have improved dramatically.
We've dealt with a bunch of injuries. We've had two receivers ask for trades. Maybe that's a mild knock on Saleh, but I think he handled both very well, and the Moore stuff looks like it could be a thing of the past.
He handled the Zach Wilson drama well, too.
Ulbrich and LaFleur also had questions entering this season. Nobody is complaining about Ulbrich anymore. I like LaFleur, too, though I don't want to start that argument here.
Can't remember the last time I was this confident in a coach. Probably 2009-10 Rex, but I feel we all knew that Rex would run his course at some point. Saleh could be here 10-15 years and I wouldn't be that surprised.
What changes my outlook besides him doing an exemplary job, is him buying in at least partially to advanced analytics. I agree with your assessment.
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What changes my outlook besides him doing an exemplary job, is him buying in at least partially to advanced analytics. I agree with your assessment.
I was concerned about him being a typical conservative defensive guy last year. He still isn't perfect, but he's a LOT better and good enough.
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homie's got the goods
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I was concerned about him being a typical conservative defensive guy last year. He still isn't perfect, but he's a LOT better and good enough.
Basically yes
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I think there might be a good joke in here somewhere, but he didn't quite find it. 7/10 for delivery, 3/10 for writing.
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1597085133336907777
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I think there might be a good joke in here somewhere, but he didn't quite find it. 7/10 for delivery, 3/10 for writing.
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1597085133336907777
I'll also be that guy and point out that Saleh is the 4th Arab HC in the NFL:
Ed Khayat (Philadelphia Eagles 1971–72)
Abe Gibron (Chicago Bears 1972–1974)
Rich Kotite (Philadelphia Eagles 1991–94)
All boasting Lebanese descent.
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I'll also be that guy and point out that Saleh is the 4th Arab HC in the NFL:
Ed Khayat (Philadelphia Eagles 1971–72)
Abe Gibron (Chicago Bears 1972–1974)
Rich Kotite (Philadelphia Eagles 1991–94)
All boasting Lebanese descent.
Did that last guy coach anywhere else?
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Did that last guy coach anywhere else?
Nope. Retired after the Eagles to Arizona to play golf five days a week and enjoy a wide variety of buffet restaurants.
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Did that last guy coach anywhere else?
Nowhere that I'm willing to discuss.
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Still a big Saleh fan, but I was worrieda bout him being too conservative last year, and he was too conservative down the stretch today. Not going for it on 4th and 1 was stupid. Kicking it deep was pointless and stupid, especially since we ended up getting the ball at our own 21, so there was literally no advantage to kicking it deep.
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I wonder if those were Shamash calls, or Shamash overrules.
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Still a big Saleh fan, but I was worrieda bout him being too conservative last year, and he was too conservative down the stretch today. Not going for it on 4th and 1 was stupid. Kicking it deep was pointless and stupid, especially since we ended up getting the ball at our own 21, so there was literally no advantage to kicking it deep.
I agree....
Holy excrement, that felt weird.
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Felt like a six of one, half dozen of the other situation. Though I would lean towards going for the TD instead of kicking the FG.
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Felt like a six of one, half dozen of the other situation. Though I would lean towards going for the TD instead of kicking the FG.
You're likely losing either way, but I hate when coaches treat 8-point games like 7-point games.
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Felt like a six of one, half dozen of the other situation. Though I would lean towards going for the TD instead of kicking the FG.
Against this defense on the road....absolutely.
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Saleh walking across the field to shake hands after the game looked ruggedly handsome sporting a black beanie to go with his black all-weather outfit...until he pulled off his beanie and suddenly looked like a prick with ears.
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You're likely losing either way, but I hate when coaches treat 8-point games like 7-point games.
I think this is the real argument here. If you go for the td early you have another shot at redemption if you miss the 2pt try. Otherwise I think the argument of going for the td vs the fg is a moot point. I said it in the other thread, but Saleh isn't concerned about getting the first, he's concerned about being able to score on that play/not having to use his timeouts.
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He's infintely better than last year in these situations. This isn't cut and dry, personally I don't like the FG, you're down there already and may not get another chance. Go for it. But at least there's an argument to be had. He was just way too conservative last year, i think he's loosening up, is that because he's learning or because he has the time/video review guy in the booth?
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I'm hoping he looks at that scenario and learns from it.
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Starting to think we should just clean house on the entire coaching staff.
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Need a confidence boost? Call the Jets.
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Starting to think we should just clean house on the entire coaching staff.
I feel like that would be baby and bathwater. I trust Douglas and Saleh to recognise that there's a very significant problem on the offensive side, and take whatever measures necessary to fix it. If it isn't hugely improved next year they're all toast.
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I feel like that would be baby and bathwater. I trust Douglas and Saleh to recognise that there's a very significant problem on the offensive side, and take whatever measures necessary to fix it. If it isn't hugely improved next year they're all toast.
I'm not sure what they've really done to earn the benefit of the doubt to be honest.
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I feel like that would be baby and bathwater. I trust Douglas and Saleh to recognise that there's a very significant problem on the offensive side, and take whatever measures necessary to fix it. If it isn't hugely improved next year they're all toast.
I expect Woody to pressure Douglas and Saleh to throw enough guys under the bus to buy themselves more time.
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I'm not sure what they've really done to earn the benefit of the doubt to be honest.
How can you tell the HC is the problem?
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How can you tell the HC is the problem?
What?
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What?
HOW CAN YOU TELL THE HC IS THE PROBLEM?
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What?
None of us are in that building. If Lafleur is shitting the bed, why would you toss out Saleh? Honest question. We'll never have a HC last 2 years ever again with that mentality.
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How can you tell the HC is the problem?
Through 2 years, has he shown he's the solution? What are his strengths as a head coach? Positive vibes?
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None of us are in that building.
This team had 10 days to prepare for their most important game since 2015 and we just got embarrassed by an average franchise.
We don't have to be in the building to point our fingers at the head coach this time.
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This team had 10 days to prepare for their most important game since 2015 and we just got embarrassed by an average franchise.
We don't have to be in the building to point our fingers at the head coach this time.
Yep. And I've defended LaFleur. I still don't think it's all his fault. His quarterbacks can't make simple throws.
But like Saleh, I don't know if he's part of the solution. The only real reason to keep him is continuity.
In the end, we didn't score a TD in our 2 biggest games of the year against bad defenses. And we barely did anything against Detroit. Find a way.
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Yep. And I've defended LaFleur. I still don't think it's all his fault. His quarterbacks can't make simple throws.
But like Saleh, I don't know if he's part of the solution. The only real reason to keep him is continuity.
how many QBs do you need to see under MLF before you finally turn on him? Just curious.
Because now it's multiple QBs that can't make the simple throws.
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how many QBs do you need to see under MLF before you finally turn on him? Just curious.
Because now it's multiple QBs that can't make the simple throws.
Well, we have multiple bad quarterbacks.
But the results still need to be better.
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Well, we have multiple bad quarterbacks.
But the results still need to be better.
Just lay the blame, man...you feel better.
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5 games this season where we scored 0 TDs
We’re 0-5 in those games
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We cannot keep on firing head coaches every two years. Good franchises doesn’t do that. There was obvious progress from last year to this one. Let’s at least keep a process going for a bit longer and see if it works. The other way clearly hasn’t.
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We cannot keep on firing head coaches every two years. Good franchises doesn’t do that. There was obvious progress from last year to this one. Let’s at least keep a process going for a bit longer and see if it works. The other way clearly hasn’t.
Is the goal to set the bar so low that 7-10 is considered obvious progress?
Saleh was here 2 years ago and oversaw the worst defense in franchise history.
What is Saleh good at as a head coach? You all hate LaFleur. He's Saleh's guy. His game management isn't good. Preparation has been hit or miss. Halftime adjustments aren't great. Several fuckups in the media.
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Is the goal to set the bar so low that 7-10 is considered obvious progress?
Saleh was here 2 years ago and oversaw the worst defense in franchise history.
What is Saleh good at as a head coach? You all hate LaFleur. He's Saleh's guy. His game management isn't good. Preparation has been hit or miss. Halftime adjustments aren't great.
We have a top 5 defense.
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And then the following year we went from having the worst defense in the league to a top 10 one. That’s obvious progress. We won more games, we played better. Bad franchises constantly take rash decisions. We’ve been the example of a bad franchise recently, if you want to keep on doing the same excrement we’ve done before, be my guest but that’s just bad process.
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And then the following year we went from having the worst defense in the league to a top 10 one. That’s obvious progress. We won more games, we played better. Bad franchises constantly take rash decisions. We’ve been the example of a bad franchise recently, if you want to keep on doing the same excrement we’ve done before, be my guest but that’s just bad process.
I'm fine with keeping Saleh...but if he insists on keeping MLF in the building, i hope Woody fires both of them into the sun. That's not bad process, that's called being in the business of winning.
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I'm fine with keeping Saleh...but if he insists on keeping MLF in the building, i hope Woody fires both of them into the sun. That's not bad process, that's called being in the business of winning.
This
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Media fuckups aren't real.
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Media fuckups aren't real.
The others all are.
I'm with Saleh like I was with LaFleur a few weeks ago. I am indifferent to whether or not we keep him. Some good things. Some bad things. Overall, meh.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1609709117026992128?s=20&t=Wr-YLUxmcOo4WhLreFRqFw
All prrrt No Brake
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Antwan V. Staley
@antwanstaley
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1h
Robert Saleh says he isn’t worried about the team being motivated to play against the Dolphins despite being on a five game losing streak.
we might have to change this thread title
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we might have to change this thread title
This is probably my favorite thread title in this forum. Let's Go Braden is close.
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This is probably my favorite thread title in this forum. Let's Go Braden is close.
Sorry for your loss.
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Bob Salad: Leafer of Men
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Replace MLF with Frank Reich and lets go win some games.
We really don't need wholesale changes on the coaching front.
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Bob Salad: Leader of Meh
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Winning is haram
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we might have to change this thread title
What the hell is he supposed to say?
Well honestly we’ve been so bad the past two months, that anyone who has a contract is gonna mail this one in.
He has to say that excrement. And one of the messages in the locker room this week needs to be righting the ship, ending on a high note, and playing spoiler to the Fins. Remind this team, which is still filled with young guys, every snap you are playing for your NFL life.
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can we trade saleh for demario davis?
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can we trade saleh for demario davis?
Hahahaha
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I wonder if Saleh is still collecting receipts from everyone
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1644001212784693248?s=20
Bob Salad is yoked
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Full Saleh interview with Eisen from 5/8/23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfa_-1VNDfg
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https://twitter.com/KyleBrandt/status/1683845693142716416?s=20
#PHW
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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The Jets host a joint practice with the Bucs this morning — the return of Todd Bowles. A practice was scheduled for tomorrow, too, but the #Jets cancelled. Saleh yesterday cited player safety as the reason, claiming 2nd joint practices tend to get chippy and have more injuries.
Gase would've ran these motherfuckers out there...straight into the infirmary.
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Gase would've ran these motherfuckers out there...straight into the infirmary.
Bowles too
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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The Jets host a joint practice with the Bucs this morning — the return of Todd Bowles. A practice was scheduled for tomorrow, too, but the #Jets cancelled. Saleh yesterday cited player safety as the reason, claiming 2nd joint practices tend to get chippy and have more injuries.
Gase would've ran these motherfuckers out there...straight into the infirmary1
Glad Salad’s taking the cautionary approach. There’s usually some “get that license plate” payback before day two breaks….
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Gase would've ran these motherfuckers out there...straight into the infirmary.
Yeah I like it. We're in the back nine now, it's been a very solid camp in terms of avoiding injuries.
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Yeah I like it. We're in the back nine now, it's been a very solid camp in terms of avoiding injuries.
Oh you fucker tell me you did not
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Yeah I like it. We're in the back nine now, it's been a very solid camp in terms of avoiding injuries.
oh...oh no
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Yeah I like it. We're in the back nine now, it's been a very solid camp in terms of avoiding injuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OFzIjT2uaI
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superstitious cunts
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I’m glad nothing bad will ever happen to Billy Turner.
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https://youtu.be/4kxN3JHuQkY
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superstitious cunts
Tippmann and Anaconda would like a word with you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6SOz865oEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6SOz865oEg)
-Thought Becton played well, will look at the tape and decide about him getting 1st team reps
-Happy with Zach's progress, wish he'd get out of bounds
-Wanted to give Bam a chance to solidify himself on the roster
-Gave Tony Adams a rest this week to give other safeties a chance
-Going to talk with Rodgers about whether or not he plays vs. the Giants
-"On the entire offensive side of the ball the ball security was not good enough today"
-Very high on Ashtyn Davis for his ST play and locker room presence
-Duane Brown, Laken Tomlinson, and AVT all have evaluations coming up regarding coming back to practice
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I know you guys give me excrement about Ashtyn Davis but he has elite straight line speed and he isn’t afraid to lay the wood. Ideal special teams player.
Wish we didn’t spend a premium pick on a special teamer but that’s what he is for us.
We’re actually positioned to compete this year. There’s no reason to “save money” anymore.
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Becton absolutely flattened some guys. I know it was mostly scrubs but it was a good demonstration of how dominant he can be when he's healthy and confident.
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I'm very much in favor of Becton getting 1st team RT reps.
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Becton absolutely flattened some guys.
i think he flattened hamilcar
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i think he flattened hamilcar
#honkhonk
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”Mekhi played with a lot of energy, lotta juice.”
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Common knowledge
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Joe Douglas, who hasn't been an active presence on Hard Knocks, said this to Chris Long on his Green Light podcast about the show:
“When we found out we were doing Hard Knocks, Robert (Saleh) immediately texted me: ‘I don't want to show any players getting cut.’ And I'm like, brother, we see it the exact same way. There's no way we’re going to do that. These kids put their heart and soul into this thing every day and we’re not going to exploit one of the worst moments in their life. We're not doing that. Those are brutal conversations ... They have lived and died for this moment for their whole life and we’re going to protect that.” #Jets
What a freaking beast
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Joe Douglas, who hasn't been an active presence on Hard Knocks, said this to Chris Long on his Green Light podcast about the show:
“When we found out we were doing Hard Knocks, Robert (Saleh) immediately texted me: ‘I don't want to show any players getting cut.’ And I'm like, brother, we see it the exact same way. There's no way we’re going to do that. These kids put their heart and soul into this thing every day and we’re not going to exploit one of the worst moments in their life. We're not doing that. Those are brutal conversations ... They have lived and died for this moment for their whole life and we’re going to protect that.” #Jets
What a freaking beast
Yeah I watched the interview . Some funny stuff great watch
JD used to blast Appetite for Destruction and play Nintendo a lot .
Chris Long specifically compares McDonald to Aldon Smith (same comp I made )
Chris Long also has a Mancrush on Huff. Says he just simply wins and his burst is second to none rooting for him
He'll of a interview with serious and light stuff peppered in
You can tell they're close off the field .
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Yeah I watched the interview . Some funny stuff great watch
JD used to blast Appetite for Destruction and play Nintendo a lot .
Chris Long specifically compares McDonald to Aldon Smith (same comp I made )
Chris Long also has a Mancrush on Huff. Says he just simply wins and his burst is second to none rooting for him
He'll of a interview with serious and light stuff peppered in
You can tell they're close off the field .
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I feel like JD would be a ton of fun to just chill and grab a beer with. Might be one of the only GMs I’ve ever thought that about
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It feels like the Ozzie Newsome ethos is showing more strongly. There's a definite air of treating players like grown men, and in return expecting them to behave that way. There's accountability and unwavering focus on the goal, but not at the expense of anything that remotely feels like joy a la Belichick. Even the rookies have a clear balance of having fun while at the same time being hyper professional, which I presume to be a balance of drafting players with the character traits that fit what they're building and then instilling and reinforcing those values.
Obviously we've yet to come anywhere close to achieving what Rex and Tanny's Jets did, but it feels like a far more professional attitude than theirs and if this all comes together as we all hope it will, it feels like it's built for longer term success.
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I feel like JD would be a ton of fun to just chill and grab a beer with. Might be one of the only GMs I’ve ever thought that about
I don't think he'd be as entertaining as JD but I bet Mike T would be easy to hang out with.
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I hear John Idzik's weekly parcheesi game is freaking lit
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https://x.com/arimeirov/status/1699252023282008499?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
That’s my Coach
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Fuxk you
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https://twitter.com/ArtButSports/status/1701396228490121253?t=ml_NsD5XXDBIoa7OheoxqQ&s=19
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Guy is absolutely freaking inept offensively to the point of being an absentee landlord and it's a huge reason why I didn't want him here to begin with.
But sure, he was totally the reason why a 9ers defense that was absolutely loaded with talent and has since seen his successor get vaulted to a head coaching job was dominant when he was there.
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I think he's a pretty average coach. I get a lot of Herm vibes with him. Saleh is more aggressive in-game than Herm, which I like, but Herm won more. And both had a Hackett.
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I think he's a pretty average coach. I get a lot of Herm vibes with him. Saleh is more aggressive in-game than Herm, which I like, but Herm won more. And both had a Hackett.
If only Saleh had a Chad.
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Homie Chad would fvck on this team. Garrett would replace Laveranues as his best friend
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Homie Chad would fvck on this team. Garrett would replace Laveranues as his best friend
Homie Chad would probably be in the hospital bed next to Rodgers.
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Guy is absolutely freaking inept offensively to the point of being an absentee landlord and it's a huge reason why I didn't want him here to begin with.
But sure, he was totally the reason why a 9ers defense that was absolutely loaded with talent and has since seen his successor get vaulted to a head coaching job was dominant when he was there.
Wrong thread?
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As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
Ah yes
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Ah yes
I knew that was coming, I just sincerely hope you wasted a solid fifteen minutes finding it. But the fact is, Gase at 7-9 in his first year in terms of winning percentage had a better season then Saleh's had so far in his career, inclusive of a season where he started 7-4. How pathetic is that?
Just to reinforce the point, this team hired a defense coordinator overseeing a completely stacked defense to take over a franchise that planned on making an incredible investment into another young quarterback. Real intelligent. The focus on the coaching hire should've been who's in the best position to evaluate and develop the most important position in a league driven by offense.
So when he fails, I guess I too can gather all of the pro-Saleh posts and we're even? To clarify, I'd rather see the Jets go 11-6 then some sort of stupid "I told you so" but that is so clearly not happening unless Aaron somehow dips his achilles into the river Styx and suits up next week. And even then it's suspect.
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I knew that was coming, I just sincerely hope you wasted a solid fifteen minutes finding it. But the fact is, Gase at 7-9 in his first year in terms of winning percentage had a better season then Saleh's had so far in his career, inclusive of a season where he started 7-4. How pathetic is that?
Just to reinforce the point, this team hired a defense coordinator overseeing a completely stacked defense to take over a franchise that planned on making an incredible investment into another young quarterback. Real intelligent. The focus on the coaching hire should've been who's in the best position to evaluate and develop the most important position in a league driven by offense.
So when he fails, I guess I too can gather all of the pro-Saleh posts and we're even? To clarify, I'd rather see the Jets go 11-6 then some sort of stupid "I told you so" but that is so clearly not happening unless Aaron somehow dips his achilles into the river Styx and suits up next week. And even then it's suspect.
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Holy excrement the argument is between Saleh and Gase, glad I stepped away for 9 months.
Have at that stupidity fellas.
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Holy excrement the argument is between Saleh and Gase, glad I stepped away for 9 months.
Congrats to you and your husband on the newborn
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Congrats to you and your husband on the newborn
Stop chewing on salami's bro then come talk to me.
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Stop chewing on salami's bro then come talk to me.
I heard you like sausage.
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I heard you like sausage.
Squeal like a pig for us.
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You know it's a typical jets meltdown when we're already taking shots at eachother before the bye
Questioning who's in the building and the meaning of existence
It is suffering, for the record . This fate was decided the moment any of us decided to get our balls stomped relentlessly like a perverted Japanese business man in a dungeon . Or as the sports world calls it. Being a Jets fan.
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You know it's a typical jets meltdown when we're already taking shots at eachother before the bye
Questioning who's in the building and the meaning of existence
It is suffering, for the record . This fate was decided the moment any of us decided to get our balls stomped relentlessly like a perverted Japanese business man in a dungeon . Or as the sports world calls it. Being a Jets fan.
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My wife told my son during the game yesterday she will fully support him if he sues me for damages for making him a Jets fan
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Lmao, absolute zero IQ take to the point of being embarrassing, but I'd expect nothing less.
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Lmao, absolute zero IQ take to the point of being embarrassing, but I'd expect nothing less.
Should’ve built the wall to keep Saleh from taking Gase’s job
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Should’ve built the wall to keep Saleh from taking Gase’s job
Nonsensical attempt at a quip that doesn't make sense on multiple levels, but does anyone else remember the last time you had to derail threads by interjecting your shitty political hot takes (which sound regurgitated from the derriere end of tumblr) and even those who don't align with me politically were sick of your excrement?
Maybe you just don't know how to read and don't know where the proper forums are, I don't know.
Anyway, back on the subject of Saleh, since his vaunted defensive line already made Zeke look like he was still a Cowboy, maybe for a encore they'll make CEH look like the first rounder he was drafted as.
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Would Kyle Rittenhouse be a better OC than Nathaniel Hackett?
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Would Kyle Rittenhouse be a better OC than Nathaniel Hackett?
We'd at least hit targets that present themselves
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Would Kyle Acquittenhouse be a better OC than Nathaniel Hackett?
FYP.
Anyway, let us know when you're done sucking off Nathan Philips peace pipe. Sandmann 2040.
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Too easy.
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If we don't fix our third down defense, Saleh's head may roll.
We were a lucky fumble bounce and a Rhamondre drop away from being buried in this one.
And if Ryland doesn't suck, we're not even close to being in it.
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Too easy.
If this isn't like THE prototypical incel meme post.
If we don't fix our third down defense, Saleh's head may roll.
We were a lucky fumble bounce and a Rhamondre drop away from being buried in this one.
And if Ryland doesn't suck, we're not even close to being in it.
Real hard hitting analysis chief, can't understand why you're not a position coach in the NFL right now.
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"Hire Gase Train"
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If we don't fix our third down defense, Saleh's head may roll.
We were a lucky fumble bounce and a Rhamondre drop away from being buried in this one.
And if Ryland doesn't suck, we're not even close to being in it.
And a missed FG attempt he celebrated like we'd just stopped a 4th and inches.
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"Hire Gase Train"
That’s basically a caboose.
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To clarify, I'd rather see the Jets go 11-6 then some sort of stupid "I told you so" but that is so clearly not happening unless Aaron somehow dips his achilles into the river Styx and suits up next week.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
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You know it's a typical jets meltdown when we're already taking shots at eachother before the bye
I honestly can't remember ever seeing Jets fans this livid about being 1-2.
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I honestly can't remember ever seeing Jets fans this livid about being 1-2.
Usually 1-2 is an improvement.
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Usually 1-2 is an improvement.
A year ago we were 1-2 and excited to see Zach return from injury.
Then we won 4 in a row with a roster worse than this one. Football is dumb.
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A year ago we were 1-2 and excited to see Zach return from injury.
Then we won 4 in a row with a roster worse than this one. Football is dumb.
And 4 of our next 6 games are the Broncos, Chargers, Giants and Raiders. Chiefs and Eagles might be a bit tough, but I don't think 5-4 is a crazy idea.
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And 4 of our next 6 games are the Broncos, Chargers, Giants and Raiders. Chiefs and Eagles might be a bit tough, but I don't think 5-4 is a crazy idea.
Broncos is basically a must-win. Needed to split Patriots and Broncos minimum. Maybe we shock the world but probably not.
5-4 isn't crazy, but we are probably underdogs right now against the Broncos and Raiders. Not sure about Giants.
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https://x.com/sportscenter/status/1708687629321928833?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://twitter.com/guacamoto/status/1710313888900935688 (https://twitter.com/guacamoto/status/1710313888900935688)
For Heismanberg
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https://x.com/nyjets/status/1713718901706743886?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This is coaching. Brown and Smith should have put up 300 yards combined on us today
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https://x.com/nyjets/status/1713718901706743886?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This is coaching. Brown and Smith should have put up 300 yards combined on us today
NYJ is the new DBU
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Devonta Smith had two awful drops that helped us out
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Devonta Smith had two awful drops that helped us out
Drops or he heard Tae Hayes comin?
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Drops or he heard Tae Hayes comin?
STANDIN' ON BIDNESS
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https://x.com/nfl/status/1713970561032814862?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/snyjets/status/1713706853140414489?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/willpa11/status/1713915377380429848?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Forgot he already hit this one with JJ
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https://x.com/willpa11/status/1713915377380429848?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Forgot he already hit this one with JJ
I vote for the Quinnen Williams sack dance in the first quarter of the Giants game.
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https://twitter.com/CptAllenHistory/status/1718726382732063005?t=ZWDGJXEOa8LkYIEuaYhQrQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/CptAllenHistory/status/1718726382732063005?t=ZWDGJXEOa8LkYIEuaYhQrQ&s=19
I hope Captain Allen has a great evening.
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It’s heritage month. Players wear flag decals in their helmets honoring their ancestry and coaches do it in their jerseys. Belichick has a Croatian one. Doesn’t mean anything at all.
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It’s heritage month. Players wear flag decals in their helmets honoring their ancestry and coaches do it in their jerseys. Belichick has a Croatian one. Doesn’t mean anything at all.
Yeah, I think everyone on the board knows this. Twitter is a cesspool.
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"They never ask how. They ask how many."
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It’s heritage month. Players wear flag decals in their helmets honoring their ancestry and coaches do it in their jerseys. Belichick has a Croatian one. Doesn’t mean anything at all.
Actually that means Belichick supports the systematic persecution of Serbs during World War II.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G94_O7WAWk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G94_O7WAWk)
Someone asked Saleh if Duane Brown's practice window opens up are they going to let him take some time to practice before he goes into a live game due to missing all of training camp and most of the season thus far. Saleh said there's a chance he's ready to go day 1. I'm not reading too much into that because there's no reason to believe him but if he actually steps right back in after how he started this season I'd be really upset.
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If Brown can play right tackle, throw him in there and move Mitchell inside.
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If Brown can play right tackle, throw him in there and move Mitchell inside.
If by inside you mean "the locker room" then I'd consider it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/McYLSpN/IMG-2035.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1rDxQK2)
+1600 before the season started
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All my money is on Campbell if I was betting that
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https://x.com/OptimisticJets/status/1721762871183384622?s=20
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https://x.com/OptimisticJets/status/1721762871183384622?s=20
He's spot on
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I know the coach is responsible (not necessarily to blame) for what happens on the field, but I felt like Saleh was one of us watching that game from the sideline. I kinda felt bad for him.
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I generally don't bother talking about Saleh, but last night pissed me off.
That thousand yard stare is bullshit. He's just like Rex. Jumps up and down like a clown when everything is going his way, pouts like a child when things get hard.
I dunno Bob, maybe speak into that headset once in a while, instead of just rolling your eyes or sighing constantly.
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I generally don't bother talking about Saleh, but last night pissed me off.
That thousand yard stare is bullshit. He's just like Rex. Jumps up and down like a clown when everything is going his way, pouts like a child when things get hard.
I dunno Bob, maybe speak into that headset once in a while, instead of just rolling your eyes or sighing constantly.
I'm sure he was when he wasn't on camera...for entertainment purposes.
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I'm sure he was when he wasn't on camera...for entertainment purposes.
Maybe they just caught him at the worst moments, but this is every week.
I really want to like him. Just like I did Rex. They're personable guys and I think they have the "motivation" part of the job down. But like Rex, I think Saleh takes a hands-off approach to the offense.
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Maybe they just caught him at the worst moments, but this is every week.
I really want to like him. Just like I did Rex. They're personable guys and I think they have the "motivation" part of the job down. But like Rex, I think Saleh takes a hands-off approach to the offense.
Ok so just hire an OC that doesn’t suck. Should be easy, right?
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Maybe they just caught him at the worst moments, but this is every week.
I really want to like him. Just like I did Rex. They're personable guys and I think they have the "motivation" part of the job down. But like Rex, I think Saleh takes a hands-off approach to the offense.
Some coordinators that aren't from the offensive side of the ball just have the "It Factor" when they become HCs. Like Tomlin and John Harbaugh. Monken has the Ravens Offense humming like a well-oiled machine, and they're a run-first team. Tomlin had Arians for a few years...but even with that bum Matt Canada, he's still willing his team into the playoff picture.
What Saleh/Ulbrich have done with the Defense has been remarkable. But Saleh hasn't figured out how to hire a competent offensive staff. I get the connection between Hackett & Rodgers...but Saleh hired him long before they knew they had a chance at Rodgers.
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Judging guys based on their sideline demeanor is always tough.
When Bowles was here and we were winning, we spun his stoicism as being even keel. The next year, we made fun of his stoicism like he didn't care enough and lacked passion.
I don't think Saleh is great but he's done a decent job and he is way down the list of problems. Just need to find a way to stop the damn penalties.
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Judging guys based on their sideline demeanor is always tough.
When Bowles was here and we were winning, we spun his stoicism as being even keel. The next year, we made fun of his stoicism like he didn't care enough and lacked passion.
I don't think Saleh is great but he's done a decent job and he is way down the list of problems. Just need to find a way to stop the damn penalties.
Todd Bowles was another guy that consistently hired bums to run his offense.
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Hackett was definitely Rodgers bait, but the dude had one successful season with the Jaguars before he got ousted with the regime the next season.
I like Saleh as a person but he and JD have whiffed hard on a lot of the offensive decisions.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjFrUd4Tl-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjFrUd4Tl-g)
Saleh's postgame interview.
Some of what he says makes sense, some is obvious coach speak, some is just infuriating; standard "we just got embarrassed," post-game interview.
Specifically asked if he would consider a change in play caller and immediately said no.
I don't know what the answer is but something needs to change on this offense and Saffold isn't going to fix much on his own.
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Todd Bowles was another guy that consistently hired bums to run his offense.
It's a chicken and the egg thing in terms of having bum coaches vs having bum quarterbacks. Are the coordinators bad because of the bad QBs? Are the QBs bad because of the bad coordinators? The answer to both is yes.
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It's a chicken and the egg thing in terms of having bum coaches vs having bum quarterbacks. Are the coordinators bad because of the bad QBs? Are the QBs bad because of the bad coordinators? The answer to both is yes.
the problem is...it's been this way for over a decade.
The fact that we haven't been able to right the offensive ship in 10+ years is astounding.
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I'll say the same thing for Zach Wilson as I said for my post-mortem Mark Sanchez opinions. I don't know if he ever could have been a good QB, but the organization didn't really give him the tools or opportunities to do so. Saleh is part of this, as is Joe Douglas.
The passing game, outside of Garrett Wilson, provides no one for him to lean on:
-Conklin is fungible
-Uzomah is forgettable
-Mims was a disaster who was traded to a team where the best thing the HC could say about him was that he was, "In the room."
-Elijah Moore was a head case the second he got here
-The only difference between Lazard and Cobb is that Lazard occasionally gets open
-Gipson could eventually turn into something but he's not at a point in his development where he can be leaned on
-Ruckert might be something better than what we've seen but he's buried on the depth chart between two other TEs commanding way more money than their talent level deserves
Sanchez at least had elite mainstays on the offensive line while he was there in Brick and Mangold. Zach has had:
-McGovern is a just below average C but he's at least been steady (until his knee cap popped out and had to be chased across the turf)
-Becton could have been something if GVR didn't get thrown into his right knee, now he's a massive question mark as to whether his ability to play
-GVR who was a disaster his entire time with the Jets. The fact that he's turned into a serviceable starter with the Raiders is pissing me off to no end
-George Fant who clocked in one surprisingly good season and forgot how to play
-Morgan Moses who was basically the same story as Steve Weatherford except we never got a chance to re-sign him after letting him walk for someone already on the roster
-Career journeyman Dan "OMG LOOK AT HOW HE DRINKS BEER AND WATCHES HOCKEY I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!!!!!" Feeney who was somehow a better backup center than guard and a terrible starter at both
-AVT looked like a phenomenal talent but has the same health issues as Becton
-Max Mitchell had 2 or 3 good games last season until his blood clot issue flared up and hasn't really been the same since
-Laken Tomlinson who might actually be our best offensive lineman this season
-Duane Brown whose favorite thing to do in New York is get injured immediately in the beginning of the season
-A whole host of other players I don't feel like naming
And on the coaching side we have:
-Mike LaFleur who by all accounts was not really into teaching a young QB as he was into just being disappointed in public that he didn't execute well enough and never bothered to tailor his scheme to the team's talents.
-Nathaniel Hackett who is struggling to figure out what to do without Aaron Rodgers under center
-Rob Calabrese who doesn't really have a great track record anywhere he's been so not sure how he's survived this whole thing
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I'll say the same thing for Zach Wilson as I said for my post-mortem Mark Sanchez opinions. I don't know if he ever could have been a good QB, but the organization didn't really give him the tools or opportunities to do so. Saleh is part of this, as is Joe Douglas.
The passing game, outside of Garrett Wilson, provides no one for him to lean on:
-Conklin is fungible
-Uzomah is forgettable
-Mims was a disaster who was traded to a team where the best thing the HC could say about him was that he was, "In the room."
-Elijah Moore was a head case the second he got here
-The only difference between Lazard and Cobb is that Lazard occasionally gets open
-Gipson could eventually turn into something but he's not at a point in his development where he can be leaned on
-Ruckert might be something better than what we've seen but he's buried on the depth chart between two other TEs commanding way more money than their talent level deserves
Sanchez at least had elite mainstays on the offensive line while he was there in Brick and Mangold. Zach has had:
-McGovern is a just below average C but he's at least been steady (until his knee cap popped out and had to be chased across the turf)
-Becton could have been something if GVR didn't get thrown into his right knee, now he's a massive question mark as to whether his ability to play
-GVR who was a disaster his entire time with the Jets. The fact that he's turned into a serviceable starter with the Raiders is pissing me off to no end
-George Fant who clocked in one surprisingly good season and forgot how to play
-Morgan Moses who was basically the same story as Steve Weatherford except we never got a chance to re-sign him after letting him walk for someone already on the roster
-Career journeyman Dan "OMG LOOK AT HOW HE DRINKS BEER AND WATCHES HOCKEY I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!!!!!" Feeney who was somehow a better backup center than guard and a terrible starter at both
-AVT looked like a phenomenal talent but has the same health issues as Becton
-Max Mitchell had 2 or 3 good games last season until his blood clot issue flared up and hasn't really been the same since
-Laken Tomlinson who might actually be our best offensive lineman this season
-Duane Brown whose favorite thing to do in New York is get injured immediately in the beginning of the season
-A whole host of other players I don't feel like naming
And on the coaching side we have:
-Mike LaFleur who by all accounts was not really into teaching a young QB as he was into just being disappointed in public that he didn't execute well enough and never bothered to tailor his scheme to the team's talents.
-Nathaniel Hackett who is struggling to figure out what to do without Aaron Rodgers under center
-Rob Calabrese who doesn't really have a great track record anywhere he's been so not sure how he's survived this whole thing
This belongs in the Joe Douglas thread. He's more to blame than anyone right now.
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I'll say the same thing for Zach Wilson as I said for my post-mortem Mark Sanchez opinions. I don't know if he ever could have been a good QB, but the organization didn't really give him the tools or opportunities to do so. Saleh is part of this, as is Joe Douglas.
The passing game, outside of Garrett Wilson, provides no one for him to lean on:
-Conklin is fungible
-Uzomah is forgettable
-Mims was a disaster who was traded to a team where the best thing the HC could say about him was that he was, "In the room."
-Elijah Moore was a head case the second he got here
-The only difference between Lazard and Cobb is that Lazard occasionally gets open
-Gipson could eventually turn into something but he's not at a point in his development where he can be leaned on
-Ruckert might be something better than what we've seen but he's buried on the depth chart between two other TEs commanding way more money than their talent level deserves
Sanchez at least had elite mainstays on the offensive line while he was there in Brick and Mangold. Zach has had:
-McGovern is a just below average C but he's at least been steady (until his knee cap popped out and had to be chased across the turf)
-Becton could have been something if GVR didn't get thrown into his right knee, now he's a massive question mark as to whether his ability to play
-GVR who was a disaster his entire time with the Jets. The fact that he's turned into a serviceable starter with the Raiders is pissing me off to no end
-George Fant who clocked in one surprisingly good season and forgot how to play
-Morgan Moses who was basically the same story as Steve Weatherford except we never got a chance to re-sign him after letting him walk for someone already on the roster
-Career journeyman Dan "OMG LOOK AT HOW HE DRINKS BEER AND WATCHES HOCKEY I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!!!!!" Feeney who was somehow a better backup center than guard and a terrible starter at both
-AVT looked like a phenomenal talent but has the same health issues as Becton
-Max Mitchell had 2 or 3 good games last season until his blood clot issue flared up and hasn't really been the same since
-Laken Tomlinson who might actually be our best offensive lineman this season
-Duane Brown whose favorite thing to do in New York is get injured immediately in the beginning of the season
-A whole host of other players I don't feel like naming
And on the coaching side we have:
-Mike LaFleur who by all accounts was not really into teaching a young QB as he was into just being disappointed in public that he didn't execute well enough and never bothered to tailor his scheme to the team's talents.
-Nathaniel Hackett who is struggling to figure out what to do without Aaron Rodgers under center
-Rob Calabrese who doesn't really have a great track record anywhere he's been so not sure how he's survived this whole thing
good post
depression levels increased tho
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This belongs in the Joe Douglas thread. He's more to blame than anyone right now.
It could really go in either. It wasn't Douglas' decision to start Zach Wilson immediately after we drafted him. That's as big of a mistake as 90% of those FA acquisitions which I have to believe had some input from either Saleh or the coordinators he hired.
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It could really go in either. It wasn't Douglas' decision to start Zach Wilson immediately after we drafted him. That's as big of a mistake as 90% of those FA acquisitions which I have to believe had some input from either Saleh or the coordinators he hired.
The backup was Mike White, who was a former 6th-round pick on a different team who had never played an NFL game at that point.
It absolutely was Douglas' decision. Or at least a collaborative decision. If he didn't want to start Wilson right away, he would have brought in a QB with some experience.
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I'm not sure how Saleh could appear on the sideline or what he could say in a postgame presser that would make anyone feel better. How is anyone supposed to react after eating a excrement sandwich on TV that makes everyone satisfied? I'm not going to like him less or more whether he yells on the sideline and throws excrement, smiles. or has the thousand yard stare. I'm not going to like him any more or less if he says they were freaking awful and should be taken out back and shot, or if he finds tiny little positives that don't mean excrement. Impossible situation to look good.
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The backup was Mike White, who was a former 6th-round pick on a different team who had never played an NFL game at that point.
It absolutely was Douglas' decision. Or at least a collaborative decision. If he didn't want to start Wilson right away, he would have brought in a QB with some experience.
I started typing out something more elaborate than this but it isn't really an argument worth having. The question is does this fall on anyone in particular and again the answer is no. Douglas is ultimately responsible for it since the FO did the actual work to get the roster into this position but both the FO and the CS are accountable because we know Saleh and Douglas collaborated to get it into this position.
I'll take it one step further and say that if this roster wasn't a collaborative decision then we have a much bigger problem on our hands in terms of the management side of this team.
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I'm not sure how Saleh could appear on the sideline or what he could say in a postgame presser that would make anyone feel better. How is anyone supposed to react after eating a excrement sandwich on TV that makes everyone satisfied? I'm not going to like him less or more whether he yells on the sideline and throws excrement, smiles. or has the thousand yard stare. I'm not going to like him any more or less if he says they were freaking awful and should be taken out back and shot, or if he finds tiny little positives that don't mean excrement. Impossible situation to look good.
Yea. Whatever he did on the sidelines was going to pee off someone, probably the majority of Jets fans.
Look stoic? "He's aloof."
Look pissed off and sullen like he did? "He's clearly overmatched and not cut out for this."
Stomp around and scream? "He's lost his composure and looks like a fool."
Chew gum as a way to calm his nerves? "Is he even paying attention?"
He wasn't running on the field and screaming at the refs and getting warnings and penalties (when the broadcast director decided to cut to him) so he wasn't making the situation worse.
Now if he keeps looking like that every time the offense struggles without pushing for any type of adjustment from week to week? It'll start being justified.
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This belongs in the Joe Douglas thread. He's more to blame than anyone right now.
Yes. Somehow he gets a pass for drafting Zach lol
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Yes. Somehow he gets a pass for drafting Zach lol
Please point out where anyone said that.
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I'll defend Douglas in that aside from Becton and his fatness, what miracle GM could have predicted the injury mess we've had on the offensive line? Every single OL we've drafted has been injured/out for at least a few games. Most for long periods. Who does that happen to? Is there a PFF stat I'm not aware of that has an injury likelihood rating that Douglas missed? Has he missed on some draft picks and signings, yeah, but not any more that most GMs. At some point, you have to just say this is a excrement happens scenario and keep trying. I don't think Douglas should be fired, not Saleh either. The only consistent thing we've had is inconsistency.
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Saleh loosely translated to English means-, I sit there with my arms folded with a dumbfounded look on my face.
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Saleh loosely translated to English means-, I sit there with my arms folded with a dumbfounded look on my face.
Puck Saleh.
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Saleh loosely translated to English means-, I sit there with my arms folded with a dumbfounded look on my face.
Shawarma Bowles
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Please point out where anyone said that.
His thread hasn’t been bumped in a month, interesting
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Shawarma Bowles
I think he's more on a Herm's level but you're not far off.
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His thread hasn’t been bumped in a month, interesting
Go for it.
Normally when I post criticisms of him in there the only responses are “But he did all of this stuff” and “Well what else was he supposed to do?”
Hasn’t seemed worth it, tbh.
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This is a week-to-week thing with Saleh. And I don't want to get into any "He look too no care" nonsense.
The point is, just like Rex, he's only actively involved with his favorite side of the ball. If your offense is running like garbage, rather than blank stares and eyerolls, say something to your OC.
But he's not even willing to change up the playcalling. Just leave it to Hackett like he left it to MLF. Like Rex did with Schotty. Because we all know the best way to change a situation is to keep trying the same thing until it works.
Though in fairness to Saleh, I agree with H that this team is a Joe D problem. This roster is garbage outside of defense, a few special teamers (2 of them kickers), and two skill players.
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This is a week-to-week thing with Saleh. And I don't want to get into any "He look too no care" nonsense.
The point is, just like Rex, he's only actively involved with his favorite side of the ball. If your offense is running like garbage, rather than blank stares and eyerolls, say something to your OC.
But he's not even willing to change up the playcalling. Just leave it to Hackett like he left it to MLF. Like Rex did with Schotty. Because we all know the best way to change a situation is to keep trying the same thing until it works.
Though in fairness to Saleh, I agree with H that this team is a Joe D problem. This roster is garbage outside of defense, a few special teamers (2 of them kickers), and two skill players.
I think most head coaches are like that though. Most head coaches have a side of the ball they specialize in, especially when they are newer coaches.
The offensive problems are way deeper than Hackett, just like they were deeper than MLF.
I'm not the biggest Saleh fan, but he seems like a likable guy, and he seems to be getting better. But it's hard for anyone to look good when you can't block or throw. And it's harder to hire the best coaches when everyone thinks you're entering the season squarely on the hot seat.
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I think most head coaches are like that though. Most head coaches have a side of the ball they specialize in, especially when they are newer coaches.
The offensive problems are way deeper than Hackett, just like they were deeper than MLF.
I'm not the biggest Saleh fan, but he seems like a likable guy, and he seems to be getting better. But it's hard for anyone to look good when you can't block or throw. And it's harder to hire the best coaches when everyone thinks you're entering the season squarely on the hot seat.
Fair points. It's just tiring watching a guy eyeroll and sigh and stare as though he's done everything in his power and he's helpless to change what's happening around him. And then to answer the playcalling question with an instant "No" as if it were a ridiculous question and unworthy of any thought.
I'm admittedly mad at everyone at this point, but this is Saleh's and Douglas' mess more than anyone else's.
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I'll defend Douglas in that aside from Becton and his fatness, what miracle GM could have predicted the injury mess we've had on the offensive line? Every single OL we've drafted has been injured/out for at least a few games. Most for long periods. Who does that happen to? Is there a PFF stat I'm not aware of that has an injury likelihood rating that Douglas missed? Has he missed on some draft picks and signings, yeah, but not any more that most GMs. At some point, you have to just say this is a excrement happens scenario and keep trying. I don't think Douglas should be fired, not Saleh either. The only consistent thing we've had is inconsistency.
Douglas has done a passable job at o-line. Decent top of the unit talent, reinvests draft picks, mediocre depth pieces, just devastated by injuries.
The WR room is where the roster is just atrocious. From this off season alone, we paid too much for Lazard as a physicality oriented #3 option at his absolute peak. Davis and Lazard were way too similar, what was the plan for having them both rostered? Elijah Moore is was a whiney POS but we brought in nothing to replace his talent and then just hope our offense functions better? And then what was the plan when Davis retired?? He basically wasn't practicing all summer before he retired, what were we doing to stay on top of that situation? Did we really have to get Cobb in order to keep Rodgers happy?
And then Hardman clearly didn't have a place on this team - but trading him without adding anyone to the roster doesn't help the 2023 offense at all, when it clearly needed help.
At this point all the players we're counting on to 'break out' to get the offense at a professional level are either udfa rookies or udfa journeymen.
And there haven't even been any real injuries - the moment Garrett sprains his ankle we are running out preseason week 4 type of talent on every single snap.
Relatedly, although this isn't a 2023 offseason complaint, why have we invested so many of our resources into having three okay-at-best tight ends? Conklin/Uzamah/Ruckert are redundant, made even more so since Lazard's skillset is not far removed from a TE/WR hybrid type.
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I'm not sure how Saleh could appear on the sideline or what he could say in a postgame presser that would make anyone feel better. How is anyone supposed to react after eating a excrement sandwich on TV that makes everyone satisfied? I'm not going to like him less or more whether he yells on the sideline and throws excrement, smiles. or has the thousand yard stare. I'm not going to like him any more or less if he says they were freaking awful and should be taken out back and shot, or if he finds tiny little positives that don't mean excrement. Impossible situation to look good.
Yeah, none of this stuff matters beyond the W-L columns.
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This is a week-to-week thing with Saleh. And I don't want to get into any "He look too no care" nonsense.
The point is, just like Rex, he's only actively involved with his favorite side of the ball. If your offense is running like garbage, rather than blank stares and eyerolls, say something to your OC.
But he's not even willing to change up the playcalling. Just leave it to Hackett like he left it to MLF. Like Rex did with Schotty. Because we all know the best way to change a situation is to keep trying the same thing until it works.
Though in fairness to Saleh, I agree with H that this team is a Joe D problem. This roster is garbage outside of defense, a few special teamers (2 of them kickers), and two skill players.
Was playcalling even a problem yesterday? The lack of talent on the field and poor execution kind of overshadowed it.
I'm not denying it's been a problem for the season overall but this week in particular I don't see why they needed to ask Saleh about it. We won in spite of playcalling a few times, and I think you could only really pin one loss on it (NE).
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And then Hardman clearly didn't have a place on this team - but trading him without adding anyone to the roster doesn't help the 2023 offense at all, when it clearly needed help.
I agree with your post, but Hardman lost his job to Gipson and Cobb. We need help outside in the worst way. We have no true outside vertical threat to take heat off of Garrett Wilson - Hardman wasn't that either.
I can't believe we didn't acquire a veteran backup QB when Rodgers went down. We had plenty of time to do that.
By not doing that, Douglas should've done everything in his power to acquire help (skill talent) for Zach Wilson. He didn't. He can say "it takes two to tango" all he wants. He missed on Adams and Evan. Go get a stopgap veteran that can get open. There has to be somebody out there. Brandin Cooks is barely playing in Dallas. LAR gave Van Jefferson away. Chase Claypool didn't cost much. I know these guys stink. But at least take some swings.
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Was playcalling even a problem yesterday? The lack of talent on the field and poor execution kind of overshadowed it.
It was pretty terrible.
We ran a RZ play with a 7 man protection against a 4 man front. Wilson had 3 downfield targets against 7 in coverage. That play was dead before the snap.
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https://x.com/OptimisticJets/status/1722020648732488042?s=20
Yikes.
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I agree with your post, but Hardman lost his job to Gipson and Cobb. We need help outside in the worst way. We have no true outside vertical threat to take heat off of Garrett Wilson - Hardman wasn't that either.
I can't believe we didn't acquire a veteran backup QB when Rodgers went down. We had plenty of time to do that.
By not doing that, Douglas should've done everything in his power to acquire help (skill talent) for Zach Wilson. He didn't. He can say "it takes two to tango" all he wants. He missed on Adams and Evan. Go get a stopgap veteran that can get open. There has to be somebody out there. Brandin Cooks is barely playing in Dallas. LAR gave Van Jefferson away. Chase Claypool didn't cost much. I know these guys stink. But at least take some swings.
100%. Really disappointed we didn't take a swing at WR. Any swing, really. Those guys stink, you're right, but so does Allen Lazard, and he needs some competition. Plenty of cheap receivers that would have cost very little. If you're going to roll with Zach, give him better weapons to succeed and try to lift him up. It's great that Lazard and Cobb can be good in the locker room with Wilson, but what Wilson really needs is someone who can make plays for him.
And if you're not going to take a swing, give Brownlee a shot. If you're going to give Brownlee a roster spot, let him play when the options in front of him fail.
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And if you're not going to take a swing, give Brownlee a shot. If you're going to give Brownlee a roster spot, let him play when the options in front of him fail.
I'm all on board with Brownlee getting a week to see what he's worth.
Someone is keeping the vets in place at the expense of this team and it's getting really freaking old.
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Someone is keeping the vets in place at the expense of this team and it's getting really freaking old.
Robert Saleh loves to play vets
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Robert Saleh loves to play vets
"I don't know offense but I know what age is higher than another age."
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Robert Saleh loves to play vets
Sexy Rexy syndrome
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"I don't know offense but I know what age is higher than another age."
We're so close it's gonna be beautiful when Randall Cobb gets his AARP card
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The pass this guy continues to get is astounding.
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^just posted several paragraphs that Zach wasn't a problem.
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^just posted several paragraphs that Zach wasn't a problem.
He wasn't the main issue last night. I'm sorry, maybe we watched a different game where he had protection and people weren't dropping passes or fumbling the football.
If your barometer for a good coach is getting players to play for him and coordinating/overseeing a good defense, fuckin bring back Rex at that point.
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He wasn't the main issue last night. I'm sorry, maybe we watched a different game where he had protection and people weren't dropping passes or fumbling the football.
If your barometer for a good coach is getting players to play for him and coordinating/overseeing a great defense, fuckin bring back Rex at that point.
He held the ball for 3-4 sec on more than half his dropbacks.
No one saying Zach is the only problem is right but no one saying he wasn't a problem is either.
The only ones who deserve a pass would be the defense.
Saleh and every active member of the offense was to blame, players and coaches included. Giving excuses for Zach and asking why someone else gets passes is some bullshit.
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He held the ball for 3-4 sec on more than half his dropbacks.
No one saying Zach is the only problem is right but no one saying he wasn't a problem is either.
The only ones who deserve a pass would be the defense.
Saleh and every active member of the offense was to blame, players and coaches included. Giving excuses for Zach and asking why someone else gets passes is some bullshit.
Zach held onto the ball too long on some of those sacks. On others, he had absolutely zero shot to get rid of the football. Two things can be true simultaneously.
It's not an excuse and the idea that he should be benched as if Trevor Simien will do better is absurd. That's all I said. I never said he wasn't a problem, just that he wasn't THE problem. He had no shot last night. The offense has absolutely no line, no receiver depth past Wilson, and a staff that continues to run out CJ Ozumah for reasons I can't understand or comprehend.
Re: Zach, I can't help but feel like this goes back to the central thesis of it being a terrible idea to hire a first time head coach from the defensive side of the football who clearly has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of offensive gameplan to steward this kids future. And that's on Joe and Woody considering by all accounts Douglas pushed for him.
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Asking why Saleh gets a pass while.making excuses for Wilson is also bullshit.
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Asking why Saleh gets a pass while.making excuses for Wilson is also bullshit.
How is pointing out very obvious facts about what happened last night and asserting Trevor freaking Simien couldn't do better making excuses?
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He held the ball for 3-4 sec on more than half his dropbacks.
No one saying Zach is the only problem is right but no one saying he wasn't a problem is either.
The only ones who deserve a pass would be the defense.
Saleh and every active member of the offense was to blame, players and coaches included. Giving excuses for Zach and asking why someone else gets passes is some bullshit.
These are the only statements that matter at this point. The only modification I'd make is that some of it falls on Douglas too because I'm running out of words severe enough to describe this roster.
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Our team never dictates the game.
Saleh is overly conservative and he’s coaching scared right now. A recipe for disaster.
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Brian Callahan and Ben Johnson are going to be very popular and frustrating names this offseason.
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Brian Callahan and Ben Johnson are going to be very popular and frustrating names this offseason.
MLF is available
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Brian Callahan and Ben Johnson are going to be very popular and frustrating names this offseason.
We aren’t moving on from Saleh or Hackett.
Rodgers wouldn’t allow it.
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We aren’t moving on from Saleh or Hackett.
Rodgers wouldn’t allow it.
Which is why their names will be frustrating.
MLF is available
He can stay that way.
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Saleh is turning out to be one of these typical defensive-minded HCs that prefer a conservative offense and 100% rely on the defense to win games. Having Aaron Rodgers would've altered his philosophy, but not having him available has exposed Saleh. You can't win consistently this way in today's NFL. And if you're going to try, you still need your offense to score...we can't even do that.
Zach didn't even play bad yesterday, but the offense as a whole is dogshit. That's on coaching and the GM.
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Saleh is turning out to be one of these typical defensive-minded HCs that prefer a conservative offense and 100% rely on the defense to win games. Having Aaron Rodgers would've altered his philosophy, but not having him available has exposed Saleh. You can't win consistently this way in today's NFL. And if you're going to try, you still need your offense to score...we can't even do that.
Zach didn't even play bad yesterday, but the offense as a whole is dogshit. That's on coaching and the GM.
It used to be that our coaches would over-relynon veterans because they were scared of younger players freaking up. Those veterans would be mediocre, but not blow the game for us. Now those veterans are the problem. If we just had old players who couldn't do anything much, but would be reliable, we'd be fine.
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Saleh is turning out to be one of these typical defensive-minded HCs that prefer a conservative offense and 100% rely on the defense to win games. Having Aaron Rodgers would've altered his philosophy, but not having him available has exposed Saleh. You can't win consistently this way in today's NFL. And if you're going to try, you still need your offense to score...we can't even do that.
Zach didn't even play bad yesterday, but the offense as a whole is dogshit. That's on coaching and the GM.
Saleh hasn't changed in 3 years, he's freaking awful. He is a more intelligent sounding Herm, who I thought was a complete disaster. Saleh, holds no one accountable ever, I will bet my left nut firing MLF was not his decision.
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I will bet my left nut firing MLF was not his decision.
I'll bet my right one
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I've gotten like 3 hours of sleep . Thank god in off today I may need to take tomorrow off though to mourn the season
It's almost like JD and Saleh legit have thrown in the freaking towel after week 1 and they're just gonna feed us bs coach speak and cliches until Rodgers can get back on the field and its somehow supposed to be acceptable
Idc if it's simply relieving Hackett of playcalling or simply swapping Uzomah snaps for ruckerts or getting Izzy involved or a simple Hall Cook duo backfield in different sets
Something needs to change
Anything
Try and fail
But they're not even trying at this ppint and you can hear it in the players and even in Saleh at the post-game presser
That's a guy whos tired and has no answers or plans to attempt a new approach other than whatever circle jerk they had during the bye
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I think the obvious change here, given the personnel and internal political climate, is to have Hackett announce that he's going upstairs to the booth and handing playcalling duties to *insert name of preferred offensive coach*. We're not rewriting the playbook, we're not changing the QB, we're not making any significant improvements to the line or the skill personnel, pretty much all that's left is changing the playcaller. And I don't think it's a terrible idea, it leaves Hackett in place as OC and Chief Fluffer while allowing us to bring a different offensive look. For all people want to whine abut Zach he's not doing an awful job of executing what he's being given but what he's being given isn't working, so giving him something different is the move for me.
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Idc if it's simply relieving Hackett of playcalling or simply swapping Uzomah snaps for ruckerts or getting Izzy involved or a simple Hall Cook duo backfield in different sets
This is the most infuriating part.
You can't sit there and say "Well, we're stuck with Zach, so there's nothing else we can do." There are multiple things they can do. It can't get worse. Bench Uzomah, bench Lazard, play Abanikanda, play Brownlee, demand a change in playcalls or change the playcaller.
There are so many things that can be changed and the only thing that does is the starting lineup for the OL, and only because every week someone either goes on the IR or comes off it.
I talked about it last week, but Saleh is another Rex. Only cares about his precious defense and only gets involved with the offense when they do something good and he can cheerlead. Otherwise, it's the thousand yard stare and rolling eyes.
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I think the obvious change here, given the personnel and internal political climate, is to have Hackett announce that he's going upstairs to the booth and handing playcalling duties to *insert name of preferred offensive coach*. We're not rewriting the playbook, we're not changing the QB, we're not making any significant improvements to the line or the skill personnel, pretty much all that's left is changing the playcaller. And I don't think it's a terrible idea, it leaves Hackett in place as OC and Chief Fluffer while allowing us to bring a different offensive look. For all people want to whine abut Zach he's not doing an awful job of executing what he's being given but what he's being given isn't working, so giving him something different is the move for me.
Connor Rodgers mentioned this on the postgame. He thinks Hackett is missing things on the field that he'd see if he was up in the booth and needs to go up there starting next week. Leave Aaron on the sideline to have chats with Zach.
One of the guys also mentioned, and I didn't notice it during the broadcast, but Hackett made a third-down call that Rodgers clearly didn't like.
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Saleh hasn't changed in 3 years, he's freaking awful. He is a more intelligent sounding Herm, who I thought was a complete disaster. Saleh, holds no one accountable ever, I will bet my left nut firing MLF was not his decision.
Saleh has had 3 years of Zach Wilson, as a football guy you should know this
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We'll see how this season goes, but I am fine seeing Saleh with a different quarterback. Hard for any coach to win with awful QB play, and that's what he has always had, and it's always been the same guy.
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Saleh has had 3 years of Zach Wilson, as a football guy you should know this
You don't get to be that smarmy without a retort no according to you Zach isn't the problem, he is good it's all the other things that are making the Jets offense historically bad.
You honestly think this is a 5 or 6 win team with a better coach and a mediocre QB? You're out of your freaking mind or simply trolling, so either way eat a big bag of dicks or tostitos
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You don't get to be that smarmy without a retort no according to you Zach isn't the problem, he is good it's all the other things that are making the Jets offense historically bad.
You honestly think this is a 5 or 6 win team with a better coach and a mediocre QB? You're out of your freaking mind or simply trolling, so either way eat a big bag of dicks or tostitos
Never said Zach was good, please source your statement.
Never said he wasn’t one of the problems. Literally said yesterday he was a bottom 5 QB in the NFL once he was thrust into the starting role again this season. Acting like he’s the only problem with this offense is keeping your head in the sand.
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Never said Zach was good, please source your statement.
Never said he wasn’t one of the problems. Literally said yesterday he was a bottom 5 QB in the NFL once he was thrust into the starting role again this season. Acting like he’s the only problem with this offense is keeping your head in the sand.
Sarcastically saying "Zach suxxx" constantly with videos of bad OL play or bad drops implies that you think Zach does not suck.
Nobody acts like he's the only problem with the offense. But when you're the quarterback, you're typically the biggest issue. That's not always the case (I didn't think it was yesterday), but quarterback is the most important position by far, and a lot of the issues fall with him. There are lots of teams with bad offensive lines and bad skill players. None of them have fewer TDs than the Jets.
Until the Chargers game, most of this board was making a billion excuses for Zach's play and acted like he wasn't one of the biggest problems. Then all of a sudden, people started to see the light.
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Sarcastically saying "Zach suxxx" constantly with videos of bad OL play or bad drops implies that you think Zach does not suck.
Nobody acts like he's the only problem with the offense. But when you're the quarterback, you're typically the biggest issue. That's not always the case (I didn't think it was yesterday), but quarterback is the most important position by far, and a lot of the issues fall with him. There are lots of teams with bad offensive lines and bad skill players. None of them have fewer TDs than the Jets.
Until the Chargers game, most of this board was making a billion excuses for Zach's play and acted like he wasn't one of the biggest problems. Then all of a sudden, people started to see the light.
Yes people are just now seeing the light after watching Zach Wilson for 3 straight years lmao. That’s not even close to true. I said it before, is there anyone here that wasn’t done with him after last season?
Yes when people watch a game and call out ZW for poor performance but ignore coaching, awful and untimely penalties, OL play, WR/TE play, run game, that is smooth brained thinking and I can call it out if I want to. You said that doesn’t happen, but it does here, every week.
Again feel free to quote any of my posts where I said he was good. I was begging to sign/trade for a QB
I have said that he’s made slight improvements from years 1 and 2 in pocket presence, completion percentage, and INT rate. Just enough to suggest that he’s shown some development and might be better if everything around him wasn’t excrement. Again, compared to himself over the last 2 years, who I have said many times was one of the worst QBs in the NFL. Still is. That’s about it.
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We'll see how this season goes, but I am fine seeing Saleh with a different quarterback. Hard for any coach to win with awful QB play, and that's what he has always had, and it's always been the same guy.
But playing Zach is his decision, so he's part of the problem
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Until the Chargers game, most of this board was making a billion excuses for Zach's play and acted like he wasn't one of the biggest problems. Then all of a sudden, people started to see the light.
I realise there's a fair degree of butterfly effect involved here, but if Uzomah doesn't get the flag yesterday and literally nothing else changes then we win the game, ergo Zach's play wasn't the problem because by definition it was good enough to win the game had someone else not failed to do their job.
Of course there's a very reasonable argument that someone is always going to freak up at some point no matter how good your offense is, and it's your QB's job to do enough to overcome that, but other than the pick (which wasn't completely his fault) when we were already in last chance saloon and he had no choice but to be going full gunslinger, Zach played pretty well. I'm not sure what light I'm supposed to be seeing here.
I think what you mean by "seeing the light" is people actually saying "thank freak we're losing because now I can really justify why I hate Zach Wilson", because that seems to be the mentality of Jets fans. We're so beaten down from years of failure that anything resembling something good is just seen as the precursor to the next punch in the face.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Saleh also says Hackett will continue as the play caller (not that there was much doubt about this). Saleh says they will consider some schematic tweaks in an attempt to get the offense out of its funk. #Jets
schematic tweaks? Hackett is freaking lawst
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Sarcastically saying "Zach suxxx" constantly with videos of bad OL play or bad drops implies that you think Zach does not suck.
Nobody acts like he's the only problem with the offense. But when you're the quarterback, you're typically the biggest issue. That's not always the case (I didn't think it was yesterday), but quarterback is the most important position by far, and a lot of the issues fall with him. There are lots of teams with bad offensive lines and bad skill players. None of them have fewer TDs than the Jets.
Until the Chargers game, most of this board was making a billion excuses for Zach's play and acted like he wasn't one of the biggest problems. Then all of a sudden, people started to see the light.
Not to start an argument, but this is nonsense.
Nobody here has made the argument that Zach isn't a problem. The argument is that he has zero chance to do anything, including possibly getting better, because everything is stacked against him.
When he has time, like last night, he hits his receivers. I still maintain the INT was as much on Lazard as it was Zach.
Zach's not good enough to raise up the guys around him. He needs others to at least be competent to do his job competently. And while I don't want to go speaking for others, I can say this has been my point all along. No, Zach is not a star being held back by bad play around him. He's just a backup-level QB playing with guys who are bad at their jobs. Rodgers might be a little better with the same players, but not a lot.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Saleh also says Hackett will continue as the play caller (not that there was much doubt about this). Saleh says they will consider some schematic tweaks in an attempt to get the offense out of its funk. #Jets
schematic tweaks? Hackett is freaking lawst
Schematic tweaks = "Nate, next time Aaron tells you on the headset that he doesn't think it will work, you freaking listen to him"
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But playing Zach is his decision, so he's part of the problem
https://x.com/boygreen25/status/1722014297419571453?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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Sarcastically saying "Zach suxxx" constantly with videos of bad OL play or bad drops implies that you think Zach does not suck.
Nobody acts like he's the only problem with the offense. But when you're the quarterback, you're typically the biggest issue. That's not always the case (I didn't think it was yesterday), but quarterback is the most important position by far, and a lot of the issues fall with him. There are lots of teams with bad offensive lines and bad skill players. None of them have fewer TDs than the Jets.
Until the Chargers game, most of this board was making a billion excuses for Zach's play and acted like he wasn't one of the biggest problems. Then all of a sudden, people started to see the light.
“People thought Zach was good until the Chargers game”
Maybe everyone that somehow has never seen him play the Patriots before
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Saleh also says Hackett will continue as the play caller (not that there was much doubt about this). Saleh says they will consider some schematic tweaks in an attempt to get the offense out of its funk. #Jets
schematic tweaks? Hackett is freaking lawst
Smartassery aside, it's about damn time Saleh took an interest in the offense as well as the defense. It's the damn job!
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Smartassery aside, it's about damn time Saleh took an interest in the offense as well as the defense. It's the damn job!
stop hiring DCs for HC.
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stop hiring DCs for HC.
Ok you can have Adam Gase
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Rodgers might be a little better with the same players, but not a lot.
Aaron Rodgers "might be a little better" than Zach Wilson.
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Are Demeco Ryans, Sean McDermott, Brandon Staley considered offensive head coaches?
They have good offenses
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Ok you can have Adam Gase
he's the outlier, and you know that. That shithead doesn't offense, defense or special teams.
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We should rehire Gase so we can watch him give Breece's carries to Frank Gore (after he comes out of retirement).
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We should rehire Gase so we can watch him give Breece's carries to Frank Gore (after he comes out of retirement).
Frank Gore Jr. is available
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Aaron Rodgers "might be a little better" than Zach Wilson.
Cute that you cherry-pick what you respond to but love to talk about others and their reading comprehension.
Rodgers would likely have won the game last night. Period. With the time Zach had, and the small successes Garrett, Breece, and even Cook had, he'd have probably put up a couple of TDs and won a laugher. Again, Zach's not lifting anyone up.
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Are Demeco Ryans, Sean McDermott, Brandon Staley considered offensive head coaches?
They have good offenses
Drew
@DrewfromJersey
#Jets have hired one offensive head coach in the last 20 years & his name was Adam Gase. This franchise is just unserious and no one should waste anymore time arguing about them. Blame the GM, the HC, the owner, the QB, Rodgers it doesn't matter. They are all part of the problem
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Brian Daboll is an offensive head coach, I haven’t looked at the numbers but I’m assuming they lead the league in points and yards
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Brian Daboll is an offensive head coach, I haven’t looked at the numbers but I’m assuming they lead the league in points and yards
Coach of the Year in 2022...and a playoff berth.
Robert Saleh? well, he ran up and down the stadium stairs.
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Cute that you cherry-pick what you respond to but love to talk about others and their reading comprehension.
Rodgers would likely have won the game last night. Period. With the time Zach had, and the small successes Garrett, Breece, and even Cook had, he'd have probably put up a couple of TDs and won a laugher. Again, Zach's not lifting anyone up.
I quoted your point after you said "my point all along," but sure, it's cherry picking. That was one of the funniest things I've read on this board all year, so I wanted to call attention to it.
There is a chasm between Aaron Rodgers and Zach Wilson. There are a lot of teams with beat up offensive lines and mediocre skill talent. Every other team finds a way to score touchdowns. Every other team finds a way. Lawrence Cager has more touchdowns than the Jets this month.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph.
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Coach of the Year in 2022...and a playoff berth.
Robert Saleh? well, he ran up and down the stadium stairs.
If only Saleh had a QB the caliber of 2022 Daniel Jones
(Sadly I am serious)
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If only Saleh had a QB the caliber of 2022 Daniel Jones
(Sadly I am serious)
Stop making me defend the Giants in any way shape or form.
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I quoted your point after you said "my point all along," but sure, it's cherry picking. That was one of the funniest things I've read on this board all year, so I wanted to call attention to it.
There is a chasm between Aaron Rodgers and Zach Wilson. There are a lot of teams with beat up offensive lines and mediocre skill talent. Every other team finds a way to score touchdowns. Every other team finds a way. Lawrence Cager has more touchdowns than the Jets this month.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph.
Hopefully we can go down by 40 to the Bills so that Jeremy Ruckert can score a TD in garbage time against 3rd stringers
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Coach of the Year in 2022...and a playoff berth.
Robert Saleh? well, he ran up and down the stadium stairs.
Dick Jauron also won Coach of the Year.
Who gives a excrement?
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Dick Jauron also won Coach of the Year.
Who gives a excrement?
Dick Jauron
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I agree ideally I would want an offensive coach next.
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The point is...it might be time to cook Saleh.
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I agree ideally I would want an offensive coach next.
This would probably come with a shiny new GM.
None of this is happening even if we lose the rest of the way. #RodgersHostageSituation
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The point is...it might be time to cook Saleh.
Ain't going to happen if Rodger's has to thing up or down the decision.
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Ain't going to happen if Rodger's has to thing up or down the decision.
I'm already mentally preparing for Rodgers' 2nd season ending injury in 2024 and having to go through this again. #SOJF
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The things Saleh and staff have done well are almost all player personnel stuff. They are very good at seeing out of favor defensive players and improving them. That's a welcome change.
The inability to change excrement that's not working, cluelessness, lack of discipline, unwillingness to bench guys, etc. Etc. is the problem.
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I'm already mentally preparing for Rodgers' 2nd season ending injury in 2024 and having to go through this again. #SOJF
Well you're optimistic.
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Well you're optimistic.
Yesterday hurt.
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Ain't going to happen if Rodger's has to thing up or down the decision.
Woody isn’t going to buy off on that either. He was fully part of the Rodgers recruitment plan.
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My thoughts on Saleh are kind of where they were on mid-late Rex. Seems like he's a good defensive coach and has done a great job developing players on that side. His in-game management is very inconsistent. Hard to know how to break down the pie chart of blame for the offensive issues.
I am fine giving Saleh a chance with Rodgers. I want to see how he looks with a better QB. I also wanted to see Rex with a better QB, but that never happened, and his coaching flaws became more and more apparent as the years went on.
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I agree ideally I would want an offensive coach next.
HARBAUGH SZN
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HARBAUGH SZN
Harbaugh didn't steal enough signals , how can we expect to score without cheating - 2025 Jets Fan
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I quoted your point after you said "my point all along," but sure, it's cherry picking. That was one of the funniest things I've read on this board all year, so I wanted to call attention to it.
There is a chasm between Aaron Rodgers and Zach Wilson. There are a lot of teams with beat up offensive lines and mediocre skill talent. Every other team finds a way to score touchdowns. Every other team finds a way. Lawrence Cager has more touchdowns than the Jets this month.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph.
Zach's not good enough to raise up the guys around him. He needs others to at least be competent to do his job competently. And while I don't want to go speaking for others, I can say this has been my point all along.
You cherry-picked a sentence at the tail end of the paragraph and now you're implying that was my point? Despite me saying that the first two sentences were my point?
I still maintain that Rodgers would struggle with this unit. Would he have won last night? With the same conditions Zach had? I think so. But overall, he'd be struggling with this team, and he'd be staring up at the clouds more often than not at the end of plays.
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I dont expect him to play like MVP Rodgers, especially now. But he would be a significant upgrade when healthy.
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I dont expect him to play like MVP Rodgers, especially now. But he would be a significant upgrade when healthy.
Is Rodgers a much better QB than Zach? Absolutely. I don't think you're going to find a single argument against that.
But to be an upgrade, he has to be able to perform. Behind this line, with a supporting cast of pass-droppers, backs that run like it's 2 foot deep mud, and clowns committing brain dead penalties, it's hard to imagine he'd have significantly more success. 4 plays in is ridiculous, but I find it hard to imagine he'd have remained healthy all year on this team.
My argument against Zach is that he can't raise up guys around him, and Rodgers is the opposite. But it's hard to do that from your derriere, which he'd be on a lot with this team.
Anyway, I didn't want to get into a big argument about this. I don't think any of us would rather Zach be out there than Rodgers--Zach included.
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Even if you assume Rodgers would be sacked 10% of the time, which would basically be David Carr career level, there's still 90% of plays where Rodgers is getting the ball out instead of Zach. IT would absolutely make a difference.
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Even if you assume Rodgers would be sacked 10% of the time, which would basically be David Carr career level, there's still 90% of plays where Rodgers is getting the ball out instead of Zach. IT would absolutely make a difference.
Yeah, but getting the ball out to what? If he comes back does that all of a sudden make the two or three WRs running routes to the same 2 yard bubble on the field more open?
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*Runs the supercut video of passes hitting Lazard, GW, Cobb, and Michael Carter directly in the hands and being dropped*
No, Zach has never elevated his teammates. The real conversation this year is why his teammates have struggled so hard to even do the bare minimum for Zach.
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We don’t really need to continue the conversation of if AR would be an phrase over Zach past this point
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Saleh says there will be other personnel changes in addition to Carter. He won't disclose them. #Jets
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Saleh says there will be other personnel changes in addition to Carter. He won't disclose them. #Jets
mmmmmm more personnel changes yum yum
gimme more
grrr brap!
tasty in my tum tum
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mmmmmm more personnel changes yum yum
gimme more
grrr brap!
tasty in my tum tum
Uzomah's playing time reduced by 1 snap this week, Lazard told to stop messing up or else he'll get the business. Veteran ping pong day will go away, "I mean it".
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Nick Faria
@Nick_Faria1720
Big Takeaways from Robert Saleh's Presser this AM:
- Accountability has come for the #Jets offense. Bigger roles for younger players are on the way (Ruckert, Izzy, etc.)
- Carter's release had more to do with doing right by the player than anything else
- The player's only meeting is good for the team. The locker room should be talking like this consistently
- Emphasis on technique is Saleh's plan to limit penalty problem
- Ball is in Aaron's (and doctors) court on return. When he says he's ready the coaching staff won't stop him.
#Jets
the bolded part...i actually need to see this to believe it.
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the bolded part...i actually need to see this to believe it.
Abanikanda gets 1 snap.
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I'm a big believer in giving people the opportunity to change and the time to do it and prove themselves.
I hope Saleh has figured some things out here and it's not just blowing smoke. There's still time to right this ship.
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Abanikanda gets 1 snap.
on special teams
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Abanikanda gets 1 snap.
I told Heis he'll be holding the ball on FG tries
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I told Heis he'll be holding the ball on FG tries
He's going to secure the tank by Charlie Brown'ing Greg the Leg
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Well at least he is benching and cutting the freaking bums. Still some work to go on that front.
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I'm a big believer in giving people the opportunity to change and the time to do it and prove themselves.
I hope Saleh has figured some things out here and it's not just blowing smoke. There's still time to right this ship.
Are you sure that's allowed? I think we're required to fire them if we don't like their press conferences.
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Are you sure that's allowed? I think we're required to fire them if we don't like their press conferences.
He didn’t emote enough on the sidelines so we drove him into the woods and left him tied up with only a flashlight and three salt and vinegar chips.
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He didn’t emote enough on the sidelines so we drove him into the woods and left him tied up with only a flashlight and three salt and vinegar chips.
*fleshlight
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Are you sure that's allowed? I think we're required to fire them if we don't like their press conferences.
Haha, you're right. I'm on my way to Florham Park to take care of it myself.
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Haha, you're right. I'm on my way to Florham Park to take care of it myself.
The “it” in question:
*fleshlight
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The “it” in question:
If it turns things around, I'll do the needful.
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This guy too. Go on, off you freak.
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This guy too. Go on, off you freak.
Go on, off you freak, mate*
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I want to like Saleh and Douglas.
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I want to like Saleh and Douglas.
They're doing everything they can to make it difficult.
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They're doing everything they can to make it difficult.
I watch Saleh on the sidelines and I feel his pain. Difference is it's not my job to fix the pain. He's trying to fight a war with a handful of toothpicks.
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I want to like Saleh and Douglas.
Same. I prefer an offensive coach but Saleh isn't bad. Maybe Douglas has been a brilliant PR guy but I generally think he's OK.
They're both probably C-level at their jobs. You can make excuses for both, mostly injuries.
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If I gotta hear Saleh say we will watch the tape again
I'll go last boy scout someone in NJ
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If I gotta hear Saleh say we will watch the tape again
I'll go last boy scout someone in NJ
Not sure what he's supposed to say. They all say that, and I'm OK with it.
I prefer him say that than blindly say they are going back to Zach or starting Boyle. That decision shouldn't be made 10 minutes after a game.
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If I gotta hear Saleh say we will watch the tape again
I'll go last boy scout someone in NJ
Keep that Florida excrement in Florida.
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Saleh's demeanor on the sideline is the antithesis of AGNB. He looks like he's staring off into space waiting for the guillotine to lop his head off.
A little fire and getting into players' faces wouldn't hurt
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Keep that Florida excrement in Florida.
I'm from Jersey ironically lolol
Jersey isn't any better let's be honest .
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Not sure what he's supposed to say. They all say that, and I'm OK with it.
I prefer him say that than blindly say they are going back to Zach or starting Boyle. That decision shouldn't be made 10 minutes after a game.
Hes a guy with 0 answers and it's week 3 of dogshit play
I'll get mad, and justifiably so.
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Saleh deserves at least one season without historically bad QB and offensive output .
I'll give him that . But yeah not a lot to be positive about.
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Saleh deserves at least one season without historically bad QB and offensive output .
I'll give him that . But yeah not a lot to be positive about.
Rex, Bowles, Gase
I’ve been saying this forever and we still don’t have a QB
(Never believed in Bowles/Gase just said it’s impossible to evaluate them without a QB)
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Rex, Bowles, Gase
I’ve been saying this forever and we still don’t have a QB
(Never believed in Bowles/Gase just said it’s impossible to evaluate them without a QB)
Yeah its almost vomit inducing that in a league literally engineered to manufacture points
We're a freaking joke offensively year in and out
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Rex, Bowles, Gase
I’ve been saying this forever and we still don’t have a QB
(Never believed in Bowles/Gase just said it’s impossible to evaluate them without a QB)
Todd Bowles was in charge during the 2015 season. We had plenty of offense that season.
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Todd Bowles was in charge during the 2015 season. We had plenty of offense that season.
Yeah was gonna say it's even sadder tbe best offense we've had in like 15 yrs was 1 yr with Fitzpatrick lol
Just clearly shows if you can't have a top 16 pass attack nothing else matters
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Saleh's demeanor on the sideline is the antithesis of AGNB. He looks like he's staring off into space waiting for the guillotine to lop his head off.
A little fire and getting into players' faces wouldn't hurt
He's lost his mind on officials several times this season. Just because the cameras are on him when he's not reacting doesn't mean he's not communicating or coaching on the sideline.
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Todd Bowles was in charge during the 2015 season. We had plenty of offense that season.
And that team was decent, we should try that again
Never felt like Chan Gailey or Fitz were sustainable though
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He's lost his mind on officials several times this season. Just because the cameras are on him when he's not reacting doesn't mean he's not communicating or coaching on the sideline.
It's not about in game demeanor for me .
It's the post game presser where you hear a clearly defeated HC who's buying time till next yr
That's what I hear
And I'm not blaming him for everything but it's just a unwatchable mess at this point .
And I'm done convincing myself anything we discuss matters till we get at least 3 new starters on OL and some new WRs lol
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Yeah I flew to Houston to watch Fitz excrement the bed on a win and in game
I try to forget that
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And that team was decent, we should try that again
That team fell apart when it mattered.
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No matter what he says to the media tonight or what he does as a coach the next week… we’re still gonna roll the same dogshit offense out there Friday. There’s nothing he can do and it’s absolutely exhausting to try and psych yourself and the defense into believing you have a chance only to see the same excrement
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No matter what he says to the media tonight or what he does as a coach the next week… we’re still gonna roll the same dogshit offense out there Friday. There’s nothing he can do and it’s absolutely exhausting to try and psych yourself and the defense into believing you have a chance only to see the same excrement
"It's just self-inflicted wounds"
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That team fell apart when it mattered.
Meh, Kembrell Thompkims away from playoffs
We’ve watched much worse teams so idk what we’re even discussing here
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"It's just self-inflicted wounds"
Didn’t watch the game but how do you fumble on the first touch of the game. We can’t even let our offense go 3 and out?
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Meh, Kembrell Thompkims away from playoffs
We’ve watched much worse teams so idk what we’re even discussing here
I'm not about people making excuses for Todd Bowles. That guy sucked derriere.
So did Rex Ryan.
So did Adam Gase.
Robert Saleh is close to joining them.
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Didn’t watch the game
Were you in the Gaza thread with Jumbo?
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Were you in the Gaza thread with Jumbo?
Shouldn’t be too hard for you to check
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"It's just self-inflicted wounds"
Rofl another one of the phrases we hear when you pull the string on his back
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Were you in the Gaza thread with Jumbo?
why are you posting this in every thread lmfao
go suck yahya sinwar's dick if you're this obsessed my god
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All derriere no brake
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I'll go last boy scout someone in NJ
Keep this sort of thing in the Namath thread please.
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Meh, Kembrell Thompkims away from playoffs
We’ve watched much worse teams so idk what we’re even discussing here
If that team swept the Bills they would have been the #1 seed in the AFC.
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Keep this sort of thing in the Namath thread please.
Rofl
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How miserable is Saleh right now.... he's gotta sit there and watch this horrendous offense and take whatever blame that comes because of it. Even if his defense plays lights out, he gets no credit because you can't win with 0 points. Dude just has to stand there, knowing the camera is on his face with every bad play. And there's 7 more games left of this. Every week, eating a excrement sandwich on live TV. Then he gets the pleasure of a press conference where a bunch of twerps remind him how bad the offense is and asks him why he hasn't miracled these turds into an NFL offense. Can't tell them to freak off, can't give a bad answer or he will catch even more excrement. The only thing left for him is to keep the locker room stable. He might welcome getting fired. He'd probably rather go back to being a DC and lighting up one side of the ball. Right now he has a fat kid trying to win a 40 yard dash against Olympians over and over again, with media wondering why the fat kid isn't winning yet.
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Well Saleh has done what we asked player-wise since we started losing, just 2-3 weeks slower than asked.
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How much rope does he give Hackett until Todd Downing starts calling plays?
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How much rope does he give Hackett until Todd Downing starts calling plays?
Not happening while Rodgers is on the team.
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Not happening while Rodgers is on the team.
Rodgers has been caught eye-rolling Hackett's play calling on the sideline, he might not object to the update.
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Not happening while Rodgers is on the team.
Lazard was just healthy scratched. Things may happen while Rodgers is on this team.
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Well Saleh has done what we asked player-wise since we started losing, just 2-3 weeks slower than asked.
Around the same timeline they took to adjust the offense after Rodgers went down.
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eyyyy defense
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https://x.com/ZackBlatt/status/1728418794010484837?s=20
The Breece show?
He had 7 carries lmao
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At this point I feel like it's one of two things with Saleh:
1. He has already been assured by Woody that this year gets a mulligan because of the Rodgers situation
2. He wants to get out of this job
I can't see how anything else makes sense with his decision-making. Option 3 would be he's a complete idiot and shouldn't be trusted by himself with sharp objects, and he just doesn't appear to be a stupid person.
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If protection is an issue then why are they passing a lot?
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If protection is an issue then why are they passing a lot?
Because our run blocking is miles worse than our pass blocking
It sounds impossible but it's painstakingly true lol
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Because our run blocking is miles worse than our pass blocking
It sounds impossible but it's painstakingly true lol
More a comment about how Saleh says stupid excrement than an actual play calling critique.
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More a comment about how Saleh says stupid excrement than an actual play calling critique.
Yep, had to pass when behind by a bunch, don't blame them for not running much in the second half. Saleh seems to say things sometimes without the intent of being controversial but it comes out wrong. He could stand a lesson from the Belichick school of pressers. "Breece show" probably meant he was the main back, not that he was the feature of the entire offense. He needs to think about what he says more.
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Yep, had to pass when behind by a bunch, don't blame them for not running much in the second half. Saleh seems to say things sometimes without the intent of being controversial but it comes out wrong. He could stand a lesson from the Belichick school of pressers. "Breece show" probably meant he was the main back, not that he was the feature of the entire offense. He needs to think about what he says more.
“We’re close”
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Because our run blocking is miles worse than our pass blocking
It sounds impossible but it's painstakingly true lol
It's not just that our run blocking is bad, we call the most stupid run plays. Our interior line can't get any push, but we insist on running Breece up the gut instead of finding ways to get him outside the tackles where he can use his speed. I know he dropped a toss last night but if we were doing that half a dozen times a game it wouldn't matter so much, and it might even open up the middle a little.
The line is bad but Hackett is doing everything he can to play to its weaknesses.
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Cato will love this (sorry if this was already posted).
Nick Faria
@Nick_Faria1720
Robert Saleh says the reason Israel Abanikanda isn’t playing right now is because he’s not where he needs to be in pass protection.
Does Saleh even know what pass protection is?
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Cato will love this (sorry if this was already posted).
Nick Faria
@Nick_Faria1720
Robert Saleh says the reason Israel Abanikanda isn’t playing right now is because he’s not where he needs to be in pass protection.
Does Saleh even know what pass protection is?
That’s how I interpreted his “pass protection is an issue” comment, he was talking about Izzy’s ability to pass block
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That’s how I interpreted his “pass protection is an issue” comment, he was talking about Izzy’s ability to pass block
Oh i know what he's saying.
My contention is the pass blocking doesn't exist regardless of who's in the backfield.
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It's not something he was asked to do at Pitt. It's also not something that appears to make a difference for us.
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More a comment about how Saleh says stupid excrement than an actual play calling critique.
I agree his post game presser have been downright depressing last few weeks and he sounds like quite the sad panda
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I agree his post game presser have been downright depressing last few weeks and he sounds like quite the sad panda
I’m trying to put myself in his shoes, what does one even say?
“We are gonna fire everyone on staff this week, and I’ll let Zach call plays from the booth into Boyle on the field. I mean can’t be worse right?” *ha ha*
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I’m trying to put myself in his shoes, what does one even say?
“We are gonna fire everyone on staff this week, and I’ll let Zach call plays from the booth into Boyle on the field. I mean can’t be worse right?” *ha ha*
Nothing you can say. Everything either makes you, your team, or both look worse. There is no eloquent, philosophical quote you can make to improve the situation. Best thing you can do after shitty losses is play the next game as soon as you can.
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I’m trying to put myself in his shoes, what does one even say?
“We are gonna fire everyone on staff this week, and I’ll let Zach call plays from the booth into Boyle on the field. I mean can’t be worse right?” *ha ha*
I get it but as a fan it's literally just frustrating to know internally they're just counting the days till next April
Lol
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I get it but as a fan it's literally just frustrating to know internally they're just counting the days till next April
Lol
Only so many choices of what to do mid season. As the year goes on those choices get more limited. By this point, not much left to be done.
He’s benched everyone possible. The only move left is relieving Hackett of his job, and that’s a card he will not play until he literally has no other option, and hell he might not even do it then.
Let’s see what the deck chairs look like on the titanic next Sunday.
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Only so many choices of what to do mid season. As the year goes on those choices get more limited. By this point, not much left to be done.
He’s benched everyone possible. The only move left is relieving Hackett of his job, and that’s a card he will not play until he literally has no other option, and hell he might not even do it then.
Let’s see what the deck chairs look like on the titanic next Sunday.
I'm just going to deep dive into madden and live in my delusional world where the offense can actually move the football forward .
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I'm just going to deep dive into madden and live in my delusional world where the offense can actually move the football forward .
I almost bought madden this year for the first time forever. And then Rodgers tore his Achilles and it was no longer fun for me. Or rather no longer worth $70 of fun. I wish Madden would do what NBA 2K has done the last several years and hit PS+ right as the season ends. The game lives on micro transactions anyways
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I almost bought madden this year for the first time forever. And then Rodgers tore his Achilles and it was no longer fun for me. Or rather no longer worth $70 of fun. I wish Madden would do what NBA 2K has done the last several years and hit PS+ right as the season ends. The game lives on micro transactions anyways
I dont touch Ultimate Team I have a online franchise with a friend we've played for like a decade each year hes a steelers fan so we end up playing eachother in the AFCCG like 90% of the time lol
Then pray we don't draft the guys we're targeting
And jll run a solo franchise on the side and import 1 or 2 draft classes with real classes
Madden is still flawed but this yr is ok .
But NCAA is what we've all been waiting for for like 10 years now lol
I traded a bunch of pieces and bloated deals and salvaged draft capital . Got Brock bowers and a ton of OL and Johnny Wilson from FSU
Brock bowers shattered his fibula mid season . Becton gets hurt once a game and it's a dice roll if he's out a series or multiple games
So in that aspect it's realistic hahahaha
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I dont touch Ultimate Team I have a online franchise with a friend we've played for like a decade each year hes a steelers fan so we end up playing eachother in the AFCCG like 90% of the time lol
Then pray we don't draft the guys we're targeting
And jll run a solo franchise on the side and import 1 or 2 draft classes with real classes
Madden is still flawed but this yr is ok .
But NCAA is what we've all been waiting for for like 10 years now lol
I traded a bunch of pieces and bloated deals and salvaged draft capital . Got Brock bowers and a ton of OL and Johnny Wilson from FSU
Brock bowers shattered his fibula mid season . Becton gets hurt once a game and it's a dice roll if he's out a series or multiple games
So in that aspect it's realistic hahahaha
Yeah I have no interest in MUT, just give me quality franchise mode.
And NCAA coming back next year is a day 1 purchase. Cannot wait to get back to recruiting. And I’ll probably end up with Madden as well, assuming things can go across games like they used to.
I imagine they can’t… but can you imagine online dynasty mode for NCAA? 30 something people taking charge of d1 s and all recruiting against each other? Pure insanity
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Yeah I have no interest in MUT, just give me quality franchise mode.
And NCAA coming back next year is a day 1 purchase. Cannot wait to get back to recruiting. And I’ll probably end up with Madden as well, assuming things can go across games like they used to.
I imagine they can’t… but can you imagine online dynasty mode for NCAA? 30 something people taking charge of d1 s and all recruiting against each other? Pure insanity
Hahaha epic .
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I’m trying to put myself in his shoes, what does one even say?
“We are gonna fire everyone on staff this week, and I’ll let Zach call plays from the booth into Boyle on the field. I mean can’t be worse right?” *ha ha*
Press conference criticism is meaningless. We're annoyed at the losing. What they say after the game means nothing.
Which is why we only get the most banal quotes 99% of the time, and the other 1% is either an accidental moment of too much honesty or a misstatement that the media uses to poison a team.
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Press conference criticism is meaningless. We're annoyed at the losing. What they say after the game means nothing.
Which is why we only get the most banal quotes 99% of the time, and the other 1% is either an accidental moment of too much honesty or a misstatement that the media uses to poison a team.
As someone who's been the vocal critic let me be clear I agree. It's just frustrating to know the season was lost game 1 and we lucked our way into 3 wins (week 1 , vs PHi vs NYG)
We're closer to 1-10 than 4-7 lol
The fact they know their jobs are secure so we have to hear the teleprompter scripts is just the icing on the cake .
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Press conference criticism is meaningless. We're annoyed at the losing. What they say after the game means nothing.
Which is why we only get the most banal quotes 99% of the time, and the other 1% is either an accidental moment of too much honesty or a misstatement that the media uses to poison a team.
They're basically the PTSD screenings from Blade Runner 2049.
"Cells. Was this loss your teammates fault? Cells. Were you outcoached? Interlinked."
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They're basically the PTSD screenings from Blade Runner 2049.
"Cells. Was this loss your teammates fault? Cells. Were you outcoached? Interlinked."
Lolololol
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They're basically the PTSD screenings from Blade Runner 2049.
"Cells. Was this loss your teammates fault? Cells. Were you outcoached? Interlinked."
Cimini : You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down...
Saleh : What one?
Cimini : What?
Saleh : What desert?
Cimini : It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's completely hypothetical.
Saleh : But, how come I'd be there?
Cimini : Maybe you're fed up. Maybe you want to be by yourself. Who knows? You look down and see a tortoise, Robert. It's crawling toward you...
Saleh : Tortoise? What's that?
Cimini : [irritated by Saleh's interruptions] You know what a turtle is?
Saleh : Of course!
Cimini : Same thing.
Saleh : I've never seen a turtle... But I understand what you mean.
Cimini : You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Robert.
Saleh : Do you make up these questions, Mr. Cimini? Or do they write 'em down for you?
Cimini: The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
Saleh : [angry at the suggestion] What do you mean, I'm not helping?
Cimini : I mean: you're not helping! Why is that, Robert?
[Saleh has become visibly shaken]
Cimini : They're just questions, Robert. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue?
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The fact they know their jobs are secure so we have to hear the teleprompter scripts is just the icing on the cake .
We don't have to though. When we lose I'd rather do anything else than listen to that stuff.
When we win I'll bask in it.
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Press conference criticism is meaningless. We're annoyed at the losing. What they say after the game means nothing.
Which is why we only get the most banal quotes 99% of the time, and the other 1% is either an accidental moment of too much honesty or a misstatement that the media uses to poison a team.
If it helps me blow off the steam that boils up thinking about this franchise then it is not meaningless.
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Cimini : You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down...
Saleh : What one?
Cimini : What?
Saleh : What desert?
Cimini : It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's completely hypothetical.
Saleh : But, how come I'd be there?
Cimini : Maybe you're fed up. Maybe you want to be by yourself. Who knows? You look down and see a tortoise, Robert. It's crawling toward you...
Saleh : Tortoise? What's that?
Cimini : [irritated by Saleh's interruptions] You know what a turtle is?
Saleh : Of course!
Cimini : Same thing.
Saleh : I've never seen a turtle... But I understand what you mean.
Cimini : You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Robert.
Saleh : Do you make up these questions, Mr. Cimini? Or do they write 'em down for you?
Cimini: The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
Saleh : [angry at the suggestion] What do you mean, I'm not helping?
Cimini : I mean: you're not helping! Why is that, Robert?
[Saleh has become visibly shaken]
Cimini : They're just questions, Robert. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue?
hahahahaha
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They're basically the PTSD screenings from Blade Runner 2049.
"Cells. Was this loss your teammates fault? Cells. Were you outcoached? Interlinked."
Someone needs to convince him to do this.
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https://x.com/ZackBlatt/status/1736569552144671111?s=20
Rosenblatt suggesting Saleh may be losing the locker room
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https://x.com/ZackBlatt/status/1736569552144671111?s=20
Rosenblatt suggesting Saleh may be losing the locker room
May?
Yesterday proves it's lost imo
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May?
Yesterday proves it's lost imo
If it isn’t it sure feels like it’s about to be. The problem is our tailspin/spiral started with too many games left this season. Last year Saleh just waited it out, can’t do that this year when you start spiraling with 11 games left in the year.
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we keep repeating the same mistakes.
If you're going to hire a defensive HC, you better make sure he hires a competent OC. Saleh has hired 2 turds and it's going to cost him his job.
Rodgers' facial expressions yesterday on the sideline lead me to believe he's not far off from giving Woody his blessing to start firing people.
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This man had the audacity to sell us toothpaste this season
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we keep repeating the same mistakes.
If you're going to hire a defensive HC, you better make sure he hires a competent OC. Saleh has hired 2 turds and it's going to cost him his job.
Rodgers' facial expressions yesterday on the sideline lead me to believe he's not far off from giving Woody his blessing to start firing people.
Without a doubt
Gotta have a good coordinator for the opposing side and this is us in a nutshell
Build a Chan Gailey statue
It'd be nice if we can clean house. We've got enough talent on defense I'm tired of crediting Saleh for what is the same excrement we've seen for yrs .
They won't forget how to play defense . Lol
Realistically I just expect Carter and Calabrese to be the fall guys then their jobs are on the line
I turned it off mid 4th qtr first time I've done that in like a decade or more lol
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Here's the other issue, if you get rid of Saleh then JD needs to go to...and we got to start from scratch AGAIN
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Here's the other issue, if you get rid of Saleh then JD needs to go to...and we got to start from scratch AGAIN
Fresh start or more games like yesterday... You want to start the poll or should I?
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Here's the other issue, if you get rid of Saleh then JD needs to go to...and we got to start from scratch AGAIN
Douglas should be gone today
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Here's the other issue, if you get rid of Saleh then JD needs to go to...and we got to start from scratch AGAIN
Yes.
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Here's the other issue, if you get rid of Saleh then JD needs to go to...and we got to start from scratch AGAIN
when you whiff on drafting a franchise QB, this is usually what happens.
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I guess all I was saying is that they both need to go...can't keep one or the other.
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I guess all I was saying is that they both need to go...can't keep one or the other.
Also yes.
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I guess all I was saying is that they both need to go...can't keep one or the other.
I don’t think anyone is against this statement. Their fates are tied together, either keep them both (as expected) or fire them both.
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when you whiff on drafting a franchise QB, this is usually what happens.
When you whiff on a franchise QB, when you whiff repeatedly on WR, when your OLine picks can't stay healthy, when you get almost no production out of your offensive free agents.
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some twitter rando tweeted this and i can't stop thinking about it...because it really highlights how inept our offensive coaching staff is.
Dan
@JetsAndJollof
The funny thing is that the coach on the other side of the field is showing them how to call an offense with no offensive line. But the Jets, who have had a rotating OL all season, still have no idea how to mitigate that weakness.
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I don’t think anyone is against this statement. Their fates are tied together, either keep them both (as expected) or fire them both.
Or we can freak it up in typical Jets fashion like when we fired Tanny and kept Rex
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some twitter rando tweeted this and i can't stop thinking about it...because it really highlights how inept our offensive coaching staff is.
This fuckin sucks. We've been out-coached all season. Seemingly, worse with each week.
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some twitter rando tweeted this and i can't stop thinking about it...because it really highlights how inept our offensive coaching staff is.
He's a TOTJ content creator.
They aren't as annoying since they went full podcast. The idiot that kept calling Mike Maccagnan "McCanahan" is no longer there.
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Accidentally posted this in post game thread
But its fitting here
I wish we were dolphins fans . They have the guy off the 49ers we should've gotten
When we hired Gase and said "he's coaching to where football is headed" he was referring to someone like McDaniels
We've got an overglorified DC executive type who fails in the CEO HC mold because he constantly has hired inept offensive coaches
The team is giving up and the fans should too
Another game like this or just no effort and being thoroughly outclassed and outcoached
I pray they clean house .
Also would he nice to see and hear Dan Soder dish Jets stories instead of Phins stories
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I think Saleh has a fundamentally outdated and incoherent understanding of how to win football games in this decade, and puts way too much stock that personal connections should dictate personnel decisions. I'm very much over his head coaching tenure.
Douglas I'm more ambivalent on - not because he's done a good job, but it feels like he's focused on getting players who the coaching staff/ownership has identified that they want which makes his own scouting department harder to evaluate. But in a results oriented league, he hasn't done much to show why he should be the person in charge of the roster.
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Douglas has built a terrible roster on the offensive side of the ball. This is an offensive league, and while having this elite defense is nice, you cannot win if you cannot score. It's been like this forever with this franchise.
Joe has to lose his job and Saleh needs to follow him. I've said it before, but the only coaches who deserve any shot to stay are Boyer and Ulbrich. Frankly, I'd give one of them the interim position for the last few weeks and see if they deserve to stay.
Sorry, but I'm 100% against letting this regime mortgage the future to attempt to save their jobs with Rodgers next year. Start rebuilding now while you have a few more rookie contract years of Garrett, Breece, and Sauce.
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We'll fire everyone but Rex Hogan
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We'll fire everyone but Rex Hogan
Rex Hogan should be the first on the boat to Gaza.
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Douglas should be gone today
I'm all for cleaning house, but unless we have an in house replacement GM I assume the timeline for getting in on the top HC candidates would mean we'd either miss out on all of them, or end up hiring a new GM who will have to inherit whatever HC our interim guys round up
I assume there would be enough time for the new GM to leave his mark on the upcoming draft, but he wouldn't have any if his own guys in place
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It's 3 weeks before the end of the season, and HC interviews usually don't start up until a couple of weeks into the playoffs. I think we have enough time for a new GM to come in and start hiring staff and prep a list of targets if we fired Douglas today or even after Christmas.
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The question is should I rub some of your faces in it in the same way mine was with Gase.
He's just as much of a disaster if not moreso.
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The question is should I rub some of your faces in it in the same way mine was with Gase.
you'd need a ladder just to rub my dong, half pint.
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you'd need a ladder just to rub my dong, half pint.
Yeah that'll happen when you're working with three inches of hard dick.
When was the last time you saw that thing anyway?
We're all allowed to be wrong lmao, but the disaster that was his hire really wasn't that hard to see coming.
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he’s not considering any coaching changes.
"we're still close"
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Page 1 is sad.
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Page 1 is sad.
I knew I shouldn't have, but I just went back and read it
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If it isn’t it sure feels like it’s about to be. The problem is our tailspin/spiral started with too many games left this season. Last year Saleh just waited it out, can’t do that this year when you start spiraling with 11 games left in the year.
This year we peaked at 4-3. Last year what was it 7-4?
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Page 1 is sad.
Such is life for JO threads.
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I'd take a Todd Monken. HC experience at Miss St. Wherever he goes QBs at least play . Got Jameis paid , removed tbe training wheels for Lamar.
Dunno if I trust this staff at all at this point
Question is who's gonna be a GM lol
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It makes no sense to change anything until the end of the year. Let everyone bask in their own excrement.
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I'd take a Todd Monken. HC experience at Miss St. Wherever he goes QBs at least play . Got Jameis paid , removed tbe training wheels for Lamar.
Dunno if I trust this staff at all at this point
Question is who's gonna be a GM lol
I wanted him last time (or was it the time before? hard to keep track).
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Saleh the freaking disaster.
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I think wr just can majority of offensive staff and clearly if they don't make the playoffs next yr you burn it all down
But this was one of the worst ones I've seen in a long time for many reasons lol
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https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1744107230343856215?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1744107230343856215?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Hes looking at Bo when he said that
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He needs to forget that word.
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Hes looking at Bo when he said that
Haha
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Bob just really likes the Chainsmokers
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he thinks Keith Carter did a really nice job at the #Jets OL coach this year.
I'm done with this guy. the #FireSaleh hashtag will now be deployed.
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https://x.com/RichCimini/status/1744372046140735726?s=20
Robert Saleh is a loser.
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he thinks Keith Carter did a really nice job at the #Jets OL coach this year.
I'm done with this guy. the #FireSaleh hashtag will now be deployed.
He's lacked accountability all season. He won't blame the coaches. He's silently blaming the front office.
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He's lacked accountability all season. He won't blame the coaches. He's silently blaming the front office.
The front office should be held accountable too. But this guy is a typical finger-pointer with no real answers and zero accountability...just like Adam Gase.
Rodgers better be something special next year, because there's a ton of excrement to overcome with this current regime. All that excrement was exposed this season.
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Defends WR Allen Lazard, saying his story isn't over.
He said the same thing about Zach Wilson every time he benched him lmao
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Saleh is not a good HC. This isn't news.
We shouldn't have expected anything different from what he said. This whole year got a mulligan because of play #4.
The only difference now is that we're going to ruin the future to make a pee-poor attempt to win it all in the next two years. Unless Rodgers is a miracle worker, we're screwed.
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Saleh is not a good HC. This isn't news.
We shouldn't have expected anything different from what he said. This whole year got a mulligan because of play #4.
The only difference now is that we're going to ruin the future to make a pee-poor attempt to win it all in the next two years. Unless Rodgers is a miracle worker, we're screwed.
you'll be fine, man. Plenty of moral and meaningless victories coming your way in the next 2 years.
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https://x.com/RichCimini/status/1744372046140735726?s=20
Robert Saleh is a loser.
Exorcised demons? What demons did this freaking team exorcise.
This entire press conference was a total circus. Way more disheartening then some poopchute with his crazy eyes.
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Exorcised demons? What demons did this freaking team exorcise.
We beat the Patriots!
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This entire press conference was a total circus. Way more disheartening then some poopchute with his crazy eyes.
I know you want to be less wrong about Adam Gase, but Saleh is not on his level of awful. Gase lost the team. Saleh hasn't.
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I know you want to be less wrong about Adam Gase, but Saleh is not on his level of awful. Gase lost the team. Saleh hasn't.
Keep poking him and he'll storm Atlantic Health Training Facility.
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I know you want to be less wrong about Adam Gase, but Saleh is not on his level of awful. Gase lost the team. Saleh hasn't.
If Rodgers wasn't coming back...Saleh would've lost this team after the switch to Tim Boyle
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If Rodgers wasn't coming back...Saleh would've lost this team after the switch to Tim Boyle
But he didn't
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If Rodgers wasn't coming back...Saleh would've lost this team after the switch to Tim Boyle
Is this some worse version of that MCU animated show?
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I know you want to be less wrong about Adam Gase, but Saleh is not on his level of awful. Gase lost the team. Saleh hasn't.
Mangini and Gase are the only two guys that I think lost the locker room at the end of their tenures that I can recall.
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Is this some worse version of that MCU animated show?
What If... We Drafted Marino Over O'Brien?
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Mangini and Gase are the only two guys that I think lost the locker room at the end of their tenures that I can recall.
Al Groh. Hard.
I wonder how much of Mangini was him chasing Vernon Gholston around with printouts of his draft measurables after getting fed up with him in practice.
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But he didn't
Allah is stronger than Tom Cruise.
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Al Groh. Hard.
I wonder how much of Mangini was him chasing Vernon Gholston around with printouts of his draft measurables after getting fed up with him in practice.
I actually didn't start caring until the 2001 playoffs so the Al Groh year basically doesn't exist to me. But good call.
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I know you want to be less wrong about Adam Gase, but Saleh is not on his level of awful. Gase lost the team. Saleh hasn't.
I was totally wrong about Gase being a good hire, I've acknowledged that fact repeatedly to the point that delving into who's worse between Gase and Saleh is just a waste of time. Unlike some with Saleh though, Gase wasn't my preferred choice, and my post history can clearly be used as evidence that I've wanted Jim Harbaugh coaching this team since they fired Rex.
I don't know if Saleh's lost the team or not, but I do know #17 seems like if he could, he'd be out the door tomorrow.
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he thinks Keith Carter did a really nice job at the #Jets OL coach this year.
I'm done with this guy. the #FireSaleh hashtag will now be deployed.
Wow freaking horseshit. The only thing I can think of is that maybe it's hard to get coaches given sales coaching situation and he's gotta get what he can.
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I was totally wrong about Gase being a good hire, I've acknowledged that fact repeatedly to the point that delving into who's worse between Gase and Saleh is just a waste of time. Unlike some with Saleh though, Gase wasn't my preferred choice, and my post history can clearly be used as evidence that I've wanted Jim Harbaugh coaching this team since they fired Rex.
I don't know if Saleh's lost the team or not, but I do know #17 seems like if he could, he'd be out the door tomorrow.
I would take Harbaugh in a heartbeat.
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I'll believe it when I see it if there are zero changes. I dont expect an overhaul but bringing everyone back is pretty crazy
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Nobody is coming in to take assistant coaching positions for a lame-duck regime. There's a non-zero chance everyone gets fired 12 months from now. You might be able to get someone who wants a shot to take a coordinator position because those have a high profile, but we're stuck with guys like Carter, like it or not.
The mantra of the next 8-9 months is "Unless Rodgers is a miracle worker, this franchise is toast until the 2030s." So many resources are going to be poured into this offseason and if it doesn't work out, this will be a bottom feeder organization for years to come.
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Nobody is coming in to take assistant coaching positions for a lame-duck regime. There's a non-zero chance everyone gets fired 12 months from now. You might be able to get someone who wants a shot to take a coordinator position because those have a high profile, but we're stuck with guys like Carter, like it or not.
The mantra of the next 8-9 months is "Unless Rodgers is a miracle worker, this franchise is toast until the 2030s." So many resources are going to be poured into this offseason and if it doesn't work out, this will be a bottom feeder organization for years to come.
I think that's kind of how Saleh looks at it with his staff, and that's how Douglas looks at it with his staff (aka Rex Hogan).
Saleh might be forced to fire someone if Douglas or Woody steps in. That's what happened with LaFleur. Might happen with Carter.
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I think that's kind of how Saleh looks at it with his staff, and that's how Douglas looks at it with his staff (aka Rex Hogan).
Saleh might be forced to fire someone if Douglas or Woody steps in. That's what happened with LaFleur. Might happen with Carter.
That's OK, Aaron Rodgers will step in to solve all of these problems next season thanks to the +3 ability buff he gives the party.
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That's OK, Aaron Rodgers will step in to solve all of these problems next season thanks to the +3 ability buff he gives the party.
A +3 win buff is all we really need. And it's not unrealistic to think that going from Zach/Boyle/Siemian to Rodgers is 3 wins by itself.
Of course, he might not stay healthy behind our line, but obviously the OL is Priority 1 and Priority 2 this offseason.
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A +3 win buff is all we really need. And it's not unrealistic to think that going from Zach/Boyle/Siemian to Rodgers is 3 wins by itself.
Of course, he might not stay healthy behind our line, but obviously the OL is Priority 1 and Priority 2 this offseason.
But this is the heart of the problem, right?
We're assuming that a regime that thus far has failed to bring in the right guys will suddenly do it, and the coaches who have shown no ability to use the players brought in will be able to mold them into anything.
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I'll believe it when I see it if there are zero changes. I dont expect an overhaul but bringing everyone back is pretty crazy
Connor Hughes says Carter and Downing are safe. Who else is there to sacrifice? Calabrese maybe?
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Connor Hughes says Carter and Downing are safe. Who else is there to sacrifice? Calabrese maybe?
WR coach and RB coach
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WR coach and RB coach
Azzanni is Hackett's guy so he's probably safe. You could fire Embree but Carter is the Run Game Co-Ordinator, which is probably more where the issue lies.
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Azzanni is Hackett's guy so he's probably safe.
If a struggling OC gets final say over position coaches, we've got serious problems.
Saleh has to make a couple of changes.
I also expect this franchise to make moves in the front office. Douglas can't go into this offseason with the same crew.
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and that's how Douglas looks at it with his staff (aka Rex Hogan).
Carl Lawson
Dalvin Cook
Mecole Hardman
Allen Lazard (Rodgers move)
Laken Tomlinson
CJ Uzomah
Billy Turner (Rodgers move)
Randall Cobb (Rodgers move)
The only good FA signings we've made are Morstead, Zuerlein, and DJ Reed. Maybe Jordan Whitehead, but he's likely a goner. Quinton Jefferson was a nice value signing.
And I know he couldn't stay healthy, but trading Blake Cashman for a 6th rounder looks like a very bad move right now.
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Our scouting department for prospects seems decent. They've found two very strong UDFAs in Bryce Huff and Tony Adams. They also drafted three of our best players: Gardner, Wilson, and Hall. Michael Carter is also one of the best nickel defenders in the NFL too.
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Carl Lawson
Dalvin Cook
Mecole Hardman
Allen Lazard (Rodgers move)
Laken Tomlinson
CJ Uzomah
Billy Turner (Rodgers move)
Randall Cobb (Rodgers move)
The only good FA signings we've made are Morstead, Zuerlein, and DJ Reed. Maybe Jordan Whitehead, but he's likely a goner. Quinton Jefferson was a nice value signing.
And I know he couldn't stay healthy, but trading Blake Cashman for a 6th rounder looks like a very bad move right now.
Conklin would have been a decent one if not for what we paid him.
We were all quite happy to see Cashman leave. Him suddenly having the ability to stay healthy is either complete Unexpected or a further indictment on how this franchise manages the health and safety of its players.
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If a struggling OC gets final say over position coaches, we've got serious problems.
Saleh has to make a couple of changes.
I also expect this franchise to make moves in the front office. Douglas can't go into this offseason with the same crew.
Douglas is a lame duck GM. I think he is going out on his sword with his guys
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Conklin would have been a decent one if not for what we paid him.
I think he's actually a good signing actually and we can add him to the list. But if a TE2 is the best offensive signing you've made in 4 seasons, the results we've seen aren't too surprising.
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Douglas is a lame duck GM. I think he is going out on his sword with his guys
Probably.
Wouldn't be surprised if he gets a bit reckless this offseason either.
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We were all quite happy to see Cashman leave.
We absolutely were, but that doesn't mean we were right.
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I think he's actually a good signing actually and we can add him to the list. But if a TE2 is the best offensive signing you've made in 4 seasons, the results we've seen aren't too surprising.
No argument there. As I said, the only problem with Conklin is the contract we paid him RIGHT after we overpaid Uzomah.
We absolutely were, but that doesn't mean we were right.
Eh, it was the best move with the data available at the time. The only remaining justification to keep him was sunk losses. I’m happy for him that at 27 years old he finally put together a decent season, and it sucks that he did it for another team, but it's not like we just let him walk for nothing after a solid season like Demario Davis.
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Eh, it was the best move with the data available at the time.
This is where I disagree (in hindsight, of course).
Our backup LBs are a post Achilles tear Jamien Sherwood, Chaz Surratt, and whoever the hell Sam Eguavoen is. We were a Quincy or Mosley injury away from being very bad at linebacker.
We also used a 2023 6th on Zaire Barnes, who barely played for us this season. And sent another 6th to JAX for a useless James Robinson. Did we really get something for nothing?
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This is where I disagree (in hindsight, of course).
Our backup LBs are a post Achilles tear Jamien Sherwood, Chaz Surratt, and whoever the hell Sam Eguavoen is. We were a Quincy or Mosley injury away from being very bad at linebacker.
We also used a 2023 6th on Zaire Barnes, who barely played for us this season. And sent another 6th to JAX for a useless James Robinson. Did we really get something for nothing?
Eh, we got a pick for him, then Douglas did what he normally does and wasted it.
The quality of our backup talent doesn’t make getting a pick back for a guy who ended 3 out of 3 seasons on this team on IR a bad move, it just further proves that Douglas can’t manage a roster or properly scout and evaluate talent.
We also don’t know what we have with Barnes yet. He might be a waste or he could be a victim of the CS liking too many of the guys ahead of him. We’ve certainly seen the latter happen at other positions.
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he thinks Keith Carter did a really nice job at the #Jets OL coach this year.
I'm done with this guy. the #FireSaleh hashtag will now be deployed.
I shouldn't be surprised. Mike LaFleur would still be our OC if Saleh had his way.
2024 is not going to be pretty.
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Mike LaFleur would still be our OC if Saleh had his way.
Given everything we saw from Hackett this season are we entirely certain that would have been a net negative?
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I would take Harbaugh in a heartbeat.
Looking for all of the Jets fans that wouldn’t want Harbaugh, oh they’re right over here talking about how the Jets should have signed Bill Cowher
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Azzanni is Hackett's guy so he's probably safe. You could fire Embree but Carter is the Run Game Co-Ordinator, which is probably more where the issue lies.
Tim Boyle is our only sacrifice
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Tim Boyle is our only sacrifice
RIP to the intern who put Hackett’s Goldmember dvd in the Shaun of the Dead case.
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The only thing Saleh is good at, is running stairs.
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I was more down on Saleh than most entering the season but my opinion of him hasn't really changed. The team isn't giving up on him and we'll get a do-over season with Rodgers to see how it goes. I think he can be fine in place if a QB is carrying the team. Remains to be seen how possible that actually is which is unfortunate, but makes more sense than bringing in a first-year coach, except Harbaugh which is probably insanely unrealistic.
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I was more down on Saleh than most entering the season but my opinion of him hasn't really changed. The team isn't giving up on him and we'll get a do-over season with Rodgers to see how it goes. I think he can be fine in place if a QB is carrying the team. Remains to be seen how possible that actually is which is unfortunate, but makes more sense than bringing in a first-year coach, except Harbaugh which is probably insanely unrealistic.
I agree. Maybe people were expecting more, but this was basically the same nightmare as 2022. Defense showed up and played hard all season. Offense was a mess, but the OL and QB are so bad where how much more can I really expect from our defensive-minded coach.
I lean towards wanting him gone because he's too conservative in general. That's the easiest way for fans to judge a coach IMO. He's not terrible, but he's not good either.
The Jets made playoff appearances with Rex and Herm. If they build up the roster, they can make it with Saleh, too.
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Rex had some great traits as HC, he inspired his players to the point of devotion and managed to bring some very good ones and, in hindsight, he had a pretty decent OC. Then he lost the track and started to do random excrement but he was pretty good for us.
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I actually like Saleh and I think he's fine as a HC other than the conservative bullshit, but even that I can overlook. The problem is, like so many other defensively-minded HCs, he doesn't care about offense. And if you're gonna be like that, you need a really good OC and staff to make up for it. We don't have that.
And the primary reason I wanted him fired now isn't specifically him, but because this makes 2024 a real make-or-break year for the entire organization under Woody. So future picks and cap space will be mortgaged to win now. It'll be great if it works, but if it doesn't we're just looking at years more misery while digging back out.
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I actually like Saleh and I think he's fine as a HC other than the conservative bullshit, but even that I can overlook. The problem is, like so many other defensively-minded HCs, he doesn't care about offense. And if you're gonna be like that, you need a really good OC and staff to make up for it. We don't have that.
And the primary reason I wanted him fired now isn't specifically him, but because this makes 2024 a real make-or-break year for the entire organization under Woody. So future picks and cap space will be mortgaged to win now. It'll be great if it works, but if it doesn't we're just looking at years more misery while digging back out.
I'm sure Saleh would be fun to have a beer with, but i don't want him coaching my football team outside of a DC role.
He's basically Rex Ryan without the playoff berths/wins.
We keep hiring these DCs to be HCs, and it's the same excrement over and over. The one time we hire an OC to be a HC, and he turns out to be the worst offensive coach in the last 20 years.
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I'm sure Saleh would be fun to have a beer with, but i don't want him coaching my football team outside of a DC role.
He's basically Rex Ryan without the playoff berths/wins.
We keep hiring these DCs to be HCs, and it's the same excrement over and over. The one time we hire an OC to be a HC, and he turns out to be the worst offensive coach in the last 20 years.
The pattern is getting really freaking old but the actual problem is that we keep hiring coordinators who aren't good enough to be HCs and then we pair them with GMs who cannot properly evaluate talent or build decent rosters.
We can hire an OC to be our next HC after Saleh is shown the door but if they can't take control of their team then we're going to be complaining as much about the defense at that point as we are about the offense right now. There isn't even a guarantee that a HC prospect is going to produce a good half of the team from their area of competence. We've beaten the Gase horse to death but Bowles' first season was the only one during his tenure where they fielded a decent offense (#9 overall). After that they were unable to crack the top 20 until he was fired.
What we need is someone who can trust their assistants to do their jobs but is actually willing to get involved and hold people accountable when their units struggle. So far, Saleh is either unwilling or unable to make any necessary changes outside of benching or demoting veteran players well after they've proven that they cannot deliver when the team needs them to. The coaching staff so far has been untouchable regardless of how poor their units perform and how unwilling they are to adjust.
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Translation: We need a younger Bill Parcells
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Translation: We need a younger Bill Parcells
Unfortunately, we're a year too early on this and we're stuck with this regime for another season.... we'll have to put a pin in this discussion.
Unless the stars align and Rodgers playing solves everything next year. But when has something like this ever worked out for us.
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Translation: We need a younger Bill Parcells
*Mike Tomlin
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he thinks Keith Carter did a really nice job at the #Jets OL coach this year.
I'm done with this guy. the #FireSaleh hashtag will now be deployed.
How how how how how can you have a portion of your freaking team so freaking inept and not make one single freaking change? Teams that are well above average, way better coaches change coordinators and position coaches all the time. This is an historically bad offense and that fuckstick is going to keep his entire staff. Is he a freaking idiot?
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I'm sure Saleh would be fun to have a beer with, but i don't want him coaching my football team outside of a DC role.
He's basically Rex Ryan without the playoff berths/wins.
We keep hiring these DCs to be HCs, and it's the same excrement over and over. The one time we hire an OC to be a HC, and he turns out to be the worst offensive coach in the last 20 years.
100% agree. I've been banging the hire an offensive guy drum for 20 years (not Gase--my one true nightmare scenario come true).
As far as the "what if the defense then sucks", yeah, it wouldn't be great. But I've said a thousand times, I'd rather lose 45-40 than 6-3. At least the former would be fun to watch.
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Edit: nvm, I’m not getting into this.
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Edit: nvm, I’m not getting into this.
hoo-ha
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All I’ll say is that the idea that hiring an offensive coach will instantly make the offense better is a logical fallacy and seeing it constantly repeated is tiring. We’ve seen plenty of lauded offensive minds freak it up immediately after taking the reins as HC somewhere else.
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All I’ll say is that the idea that hiring an offensive coach will instantly make the offense better is a logical fallacy and seeing it constantly repeated is tiring. We’ve seen plenty of lauded offensive minds freak it up immediately after taking the reigns as HC somewhere else.
what we've been doing hasn't worked. I'd prefer to try something different instead of being a "time is a flat circle" meme every year.
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All I’ll say is that the idea that hiring an offensive coach will instantly make the offense better is a logical fallacy and seeing it constantly repeated is tiring. We’ve seen plenty of lauded offensive minds freak it up immediately after taking the reigns as HC somewhere else.
10 of the 14 teams in the playoffs have a head coach with an offensive background.
Half of the playcallers in the NFL playoffs are from the Shanahan tree.
Woody Johnson and the New York Jets are the ones freaking this up. It's pretty apparent.
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10 of the 14 teams in the playoffs have a head coach with an offensive background.
Half of the playcallers in the NFL playoffs are from the Shanahan tree.
Woody Johnson and the New York Jets are the ones freaking this up. It's pretty apparent.
All we need is a MLF type OC
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what we've been doing hasn't worked. I'd prefer to try something different instead of being a "time is a flat circle" meme every year.
I'm not against hiring an offensive coach I'm just saying we might be the ones to give Beans his HC shot.
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All we need is a MLF type OC
He is in the playoffs but not one of those playcallers.
He is simply there to fill up McVay's coffee cup.
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Woody Johnson and the New York Jets are the ones freaking this up. It's pretty apparent.
Which is why I think it's just as likely that we wind up with another Gase hiring.
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Which is why I think it's just as likely that we wind up with another Gase hiring.
Adam Gase and Jeremy Bates are hiking the Continental Divide together. He will come back from his trek and Woody will re-hire him.
"I still think Peyton Manning was right about Adam!"
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All I’ll say is that the idea that hiring an offensive coach will instantly make the offense better is a logical fallacy and seeing it constantly repeated is tiring. We’ve seen plenty of lauded offensive minds freak it up immediately after taking the reigns as HC somewhere else.
You won't get an argument from me. Like the responses so far though, what we've been doing hasn't worked and there are a lot of offensive HCs finding success. It might be time to try it.
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He is in the playoffs but not one of those playcallers.
He is simply there to fill up McVay's coffee cup.
After seeing McDaniel and Slowik succeed immediately, I’m not convinced MLF was the problem. He immediately got another job with a top offensive mind. Our team just freaking stinks.
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After seeing McDaniel and Slowik succeed immediately, I’m not convinced MLF was the problem. He immediately got another job with a top offensive mind. Our team just freaking stinks.
McDaniel was always good. He actually called some plays and controlled the part of the offense that Shanahan didn't. Saleh wanted both of them and Shanny blocked the better of the two.
MLF was in over his head as a playcaller. In LA, he can sit back and scheme without having to adjust or make difficult decisions. There's an argument to be made that he's one of the better high ranking position coaches in the sport right now, but he's not a playcaller. He's better off helping someone more qualified do it. MLF failing is more on Saleh than anyone else. Once Knapp died, he did nothing to provide support for his QB and his offensive coordinator.
On of the biggest questions of my fandom is what would have happened if Greg Knapp didn't get hit by a car?
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All I’ll say is that the idea that hiring an offensive coach will instantly make the offense better is a logical fallacy and seeing it constantly repeated is tiring. We’ve seen plenty of lauded offensive minds freak it up immediately after taking the reigns as HC somewhere else.
*reins
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*reins
What is this, 90s Leno?
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https://x.com/josinaanderson/status/1752889509262319807?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ima keep it a bean
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https://x.com/josinaanderson/status/1752889509262319807?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ima keep it a bean
I'm struggling to understand how someone who is paid money to write for a living could come up with such a dog's breakfast of a sentence. I've read it at least half a dozen times and I still don't have a clue what she's trying to say.
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https://x.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1752901742193172851?s=20
she quoted BoyGreen not once, but twice
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https://x.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1752901742193172851?s=20
she quoted BoyGreen not once, but twice
BoyGreen is her sensai
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https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1753113857034486169
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I can't believe Jets fandom is making a story out of the Jets not wishing the HC a happy b-day on Twitter.
I mean, I guess I can believe it, but I don't want to.
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I can't believe Jets fandom is making a story out of the Jets not wishing the HC a happy b-day on Twitter.
I mean, I guess I can believe it, but I don't want to.
Jets fans will make a story about anything but this one is painfully annoying
There were people on twitter last night counting down to midnight like the social media intern was going to drop an official announcement that Saleh has been fired
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I couldn't believe Joe Caporoso was pumping that stupid derriere theory too
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I couldn't believe Joe Caporoso was pumping that stupid derriere theory too
Yes you could.
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Yes you could.
He's annoying but he's usually just SOJF
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I couldn't believe Joe Caporoso was pumping that stupid derriere theory too
I blocked him a few years ago because of his dumb Sopranos analogies. He's a Connor Hughes clone in that regard.
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This thread title is false advertising. I am getting a class action lawsuit together.
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Robert Saleh: Leader of Meh
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Robert Saleh: Leader of Meh
this is better...make the change
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this is better...make the change
you can make the change, mate
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you can make the change, mate
2 changes in the same day by one person is bad luck.
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2 changes in the same day by one person is bad luck.
If not for bad luck, we'd have none
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Was there a pair somewhere of the list of realistic candidates to replace this dude when we clean house next season?
Seemingly like this year's coaching class wasn't as robust as it looked on paper and next year could have some interesting names.
Though a lot of guys have reasons why they might be unrealistic fits for the Jets
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Was there a pair somewhere of the list of realistic candidates to replace this dude when we clean house next season?
Seemingly like this year's coaching class wasn't as robust as it looked on paper and next year could have some interesting names.
Though a lot of guys have reasons why they might be unrealistic fits for the Jets
Is there a third Harbaugh brother?
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Is there a third Harbaugh brother?
Argyle Harbaugh III
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We can fire Saleh at any time to bring in Vrabel. Half the staff is already here.
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We can fire Saleh at any time to bring in Vrabel. Half the staff is already here.
I'm sure he'd take great pleasure in firing them for a second time.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
In a red-carpet interview with @JeffDarlington
, Woody Johnson dropped this nugget: He said Robert Saleh will "concentrate" on offense in 2024, leaving the defense to Jeff Ulbrich. Interesting. This is certainly not an endorsement for Hackett. #Jets
lol...just fire these clowns.
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Weren't you guys complaining Saleh wasn't involved in the offense?
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Weren't you guys complaining Saleh wasn't involved in the offense?
He has to be told to focus on the offense.
what the freak are we doing here?
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The Jets need to hire someone that will oversee the entire roster. Stop hiring these defensive minded pork n' beaners that only want to stay in their defensive comfort zone. Or at best, hire some competent offensive coaches instead of your buddies.
#AllExcusesNoBrake
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He has to be told to focus on the offense.
That's your interpretation. Read the quote again: it could just as easily mean that Saleh has told Woody that that's what he's going to be doing. You're just applying your own filter to a meaningless soundbite.
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If the offense is slow to start and the defense plays well, Ulbrich is likely the interim HC well before the bye.
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Stop hiring these defensive minded pork n' beaners that only want to stay in their defensive comfort zone.
We hired Adam Gase.
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That's your interpretation. Read the quote again: it could just as easily mean that Saleh has told Woody that that's what he's going to be doing. You're just applying your own filter to a meaningless soundbite.
that's what he's going to be doing?
what was he doing this year?
stop making excuses for Saleh...he already does that enough on his own.
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We hired Adam Gase.
hiring the worst offensive HC in 2 decades doesn't move the needle.
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hiring the worst offensive HC in 2 decades doesn't move the needle.
was Gase worse than Nate Hackett?
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was Gase worse than Nate Hackett?
we're comparing turds now?
they both stink.
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that's what he's going to be doing?
what was he doing this year?
stop making excuses for Saleh...he already does that enough on his own.
I'm not making excuses. There's enough actual evidence to be down on him without attempting to twist every single innocuous and/or ambiguous throwaway into a validation of your existing views.
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I'm not making excuses. There's enough actual evidence to be down on him without attempting to twist every single innocuous and/or ambiguous throwaway into a validation of your existing views.
what is there to twist? it's straight from Woody's mouth.
"He has to concentrate on the offense"...it's not inconceivable that Saleh ignored that side of the ball all year based on that comment. We all watched the games.
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we're comparing turds now?
this is also what you're doing when you compare Rex, Bowles, and Saleh
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Saleh really is just Herm if he ran the stadium steps
at least Herm made the playoffs
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this is also what you're doing when you compare Rex, Bowles, and Saleh
and?
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Saleh really is just Herm if he ran the stadium steps
at least Herm made the playoffs
and won a playoff game
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what is there to twist? it's straight from Woody's mouth.
"He has to concentrate on the offense"...it's not inconceivable that Saleh ignored that side of the ball all year based on that comment. We all watched the games.
You know quotation marks are for actual quotations and not what you think he said, right? Like this:
"He said Robert Saleh will "concentrate" on offense in 2024"
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You know quotation marks are for actual quotations and not what you think he said, right? Like this:
"He said Robert Saleh will "concentrate" on offense in 2024"
concentrate...meaning to "focus on"....meaning he wasn't focusing on it as much as he should've been
we can do this all day if you want.
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Drew
@DrewfromJersey
No one in their right mind thinks Saleh is going to be an offensive HC. The issue is he was hired to be the CEO of the team with leadership skills to galvanize the organization and not the DC of a team with a good defense. Again great guy just not currently an NFL head coach
just need more "concentration"
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concentrate...meaning to "focus on"....meaning he wasn't focusing on it as much as he should've been
we can do this all day if you want.
I'm aware you can, because if you ever admitted you were wrong it would be the first time, but I'll leave you with your own quote:
He has to be told to focus on the offense.
This is not in evidence anywhere except in your own mind.
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I'm aware you can, because if you ever admitted you were wrong it would be the first time, but I'll leave you with your own quote:
This is not in evidence anywhere except in your own mind.
you're really choosing to be this daft eh? ok
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Does anyone give a excrement about this if we get to the playoffs this year? It won't be because Saleh's any better or worse of a coach. Wins = care. We didn't get to see our intended offense last year due to injury.
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Does anyone give a excrement about this if we get to the playoffs this year? It won't be because Saleh's any better or worse of a coach. Wins = care. We didn't get to see our intended offense last year due to injury.
relying on a 40 year old QB coming off a major injury on a franchise that's the Charlie Brown of the NFL....optimism isn't very high right now, sorry.
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it's doomer szn until real changes happen.
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relying on a 40 year old QB coming off a major injury on a franchise that's the Charlie Brown of the NFL....optimism isn't very high right now, sorry.
I think everyone agrees a housecleaning is coming if we don't make the playoffs. I'm confident that Rodgers will play well enough to get this team to the playoffs. Yeah he's 40, but he isn't just an old veteran. He's every bit as good as Brady in his 40's and that worked out just fine. The only worry I have is injury, not play quality.
I'd much rather spend this year giving it a shot with Rodgers than rebuilding with a new coach/front office. Even if it delays the rebuild 1 year.
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I think everyone agrees a housecleaning is coming if we don't make the playoffs.
This is what I'm worried about.
Woody is going to be satisfied with making the playoffs, no matter what that looks like. The head coach is demonstratively in over his head. Plenty of people have lucked themselves into a playoff appearance, Saleh's predecessor in this very organization being one of them.
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This is what I'm worried about.
Woody is going to be satisfied with making the playoffs, no matter what that looks like. The head coach is demonstratively in over his head. Plenty of people have lucked themselves into a playoff appearance, Saleh's predecessor in this very organization being one of them.
If we make the playoffs, I'll be fine keeping everyone as long as Rodgers is still playing well. excrement happens in the playoffs. We could get in by the skin of our teeth and lose the first game. We could go in having won our division and lose the first game depending on who our first opponent is and whether we just have a bad game. Those are different scenarios, so it's hard to make assumptions, but breaking this playoff drought in any form is a huge win for this organization.
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This is what I'm worried about.
Woody is going to be satisfied with making the playoffs, no matter what that looks like. The head coach is demonstratively in over his head. Plenty of people have lucked themselves into a playoff appearance, Saleh's predecessor in this very organization being one of them.
Saleh will have to work for it. The AFC is loaded (Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Phins, Steelers, Chargers, Browns). We're not lucking into anything next year.
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Saleh will have to work for it. The AFC is loaded (Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Phins, Steelers, Chargers, Browns). We're not lucking into anything next year.
Bleedat
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There isn't going to be a surprise firing of Saleh or Douglas so that thread can get snipped. Like it or not we have one more season of these two.
Rodgers was a top 15 QB two seasons ago, but that was before a major injury. I can understand wanting him to be the same player but I have no reason to believe that to be the case until snap 5 of the 2024 season opener at the earliest.
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There isn't going to be a surprise firing of Saleh or Douglas so that thread can get snipped. Like it or not we have one more season of these two.
Rodgers was a top 15 QB two seasons ago, but that was before a major injury. I can understand wanting him to be the same player but I have no reason to believe that to be the case until snap 5 of the 2024 season opener at the earliest.
I completely agree with all of this.
No one is getting fired, and at the very least we're getting one more season, with a stay of execution if they make the playoffs.
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Saleh will have to work for it. The AFC is loaded (Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Phins, Steelers, Chargers, Browns). We're not lucking into anything next year.
Texans, Jaguars, and Colts might be a problem too
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I completely agree with all of this.
No one is getting fired, and at the very least we're getting one more season, with a stay of execution if they make the playoffs.
If we start out 0-3 or 1-4, something like that, then I could see Woody making a change
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If we start out 0-3 or 1-4, something like that, then I could see Woody making a change
Oh yeah, I meant between now and the season opener.
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Oh yeah, I meant between now and the season opener.
Yeah, completely agree then
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Calabrese is out... going to the Rams. Good news.
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Calabrese is out... going to the Rams. Good news.
Maybe they'll trade us a late pick for Zach
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Maybe they'll trade us a late pick for Zach
There’s no way Mike LaFleur wants Zach Wilson on his offense again.
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Calabrese is out... going to the Rams. Good news.
Opens a space for a veteran offensive mind who can make a difference. Lord knows we need somebody with an offensive brain in the building
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Opens a space for a veteran offensive mind who can make a difference. Lord knows we need somebody with an offensive brain in the building
Activate Chad Pennington
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Activate Chad Pennington
If we're in the market for a senior voice in the QB room, your man Frank Reich is the name that springs to mind as being available. But I doubt it will happen because he would be considered an immediate threat to Hackett if we don't get off to a flying start, and I'm not convinced he's actually any good without Doug Pederson to lean on.
In an optimal world Hackett would be the QB coach / Rodgers ballwasher, and we'd hire a new OC. But that's never happening.
In reality I expect we hire some young up and coming offensive assistant and in three years' time we're all bitching about what a excrement job he's doing with whatever QB we took in the top 5 of the 2025 draft.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Seahawks are hiring Jets offensive assistant Mack Brown as their tight ends coach. Brown had spent the past five seasons in New York.
Jets slowly unloading offensive coaches as wished.
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Jets slowly unloading offensive coaches as wished.
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_6_desktop/f_png/jets/subjsmjlcbf6yfcypxby.png)
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Jets slowly unloading offensive coaches as wished.
how about unloading the ones that actually matter (Downing, Carter, Hackett).
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I wonder who Ben Johnson is going to bring in.
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hackett deserves to go but will not.
keith carter needed to be sacrificed at the end of this season. freaking shambolic that he isn't gone yet. almost makes me feel hopeless about the OL irrespective of the talent we bring on. like, what's the point. keith carter will still be leading the unit
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almost makes me feel hopeless about the OL irrespective of the talent we bring on. like, what's the point. keith carter will still be leading the unit
fyp
I love that Robert Saleh's one contribution to the offense was banging the table for the worst offensive line coach in the league. Bang up job, Bob.
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Really annoying that Saleh isn't going to the combine. Is it that big of a deal? Probably not, but when most coaches go, and you're clearly on the hot seat, do your job.
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Really annoying that Saleh isn't going to the combine. Is it that big of a deal? Probably not, but when most coaches go, and you're clearly on the hot seat, do your job.
Why go when we already know we're taking Jared Verse?
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Why go when we already know we're taking Jared Verse?
Universe will be the name of his thread
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Multiverse Box Seven
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Antwan V. Staley
@antwanstaley
Robert Saleh on Nathaniel Hackett receiving a lot of criticism from fans: "When you lose, you're a loser. I suck, Joe D [Douglas] sucks, we all suck." #Jets
straight from the horse's mouth.
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Robert Saleh said he was looking to add another offensive coach but said that he decided Nathaniel Hackett and Todd Downing will be enough. #Jets
translation: nobody wanted to hitch their wagon to a lame duck.
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translation: nobody wanted to hitch their wagon to a lame duck.
Ducks don't pull wagons.
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Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
BREAKING: Jets HC Robert Saleh and Owner Woody Johnson got into a “very heated conversation” at the NFL Owner’s Meeting, per
@ColleenWolfe
(via
@AroundTheNFL
)
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Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
BREAKING: Jets HC Robert Saleh and Owner Woody Johnson got into a “very heated conversation” at the NFL Owner’s Meeting, per
@ColleenWolfe
(via
@AroundTheNFL
)
Connor Hughes is saying this didn't happen
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Connor Hughes is saying this didn't happen
Connor Hughes sits when he pees
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Connor Hughes sits when he pees
so does Dov Kleiman
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so does Dov Kleiman
Dov Kleiman doesn't exist...hes an agent in the Matrix
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Dov Kleiman doesn't exist...hes an agent in the Matrix
That comment being post #1111 in this thread is interesting
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That comment being post #1111 in this thread is interesting
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Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
BREAKING: Jets HC Robert Saleh and Owner Woody Johnson got into a “very heated conversation” at the NFL Owner’s Meeting, per
@ColleenWolfe
(via
@AroundTheNFL
)
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/new-york-jets-woody-johnson-robert-salah-argument-rumors
Woody pretty strongly addressed it, so I suppose I'd take him at his word
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Slow news times… media has to make up a Jets’ dysfunction story to get their clicks.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/new-york-jets-woody-johnson-robert-salah-argument-rumors
this Nick Faria guy has been added to the list of "beat" writers that freaking suck
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this Nick Faria guy has been added to the list of "beat" writers that freaking suck
I got as far as the first sentence.
"Another wrinkle to a chaotic offseason has taken another turn for the New York Jets."
First, that sentence is garbage writing for anyone, never mind someone masquerading as a journalist. Another wrinkle has taken another turn? So there are multiple wrinkles each taking multiple turns? Pretty sure that's not what you meant, you just decided to jam two lazy cliches together in one very short sentence.
Secondly, in what way has this been a chaotic offseason? We've lost a moderately good player in FA that we expected to lose in FA. We've signed some moderately good players in FA to fill most of the holes we needed to fill. No trades have been made, no big splashes have happened, no high profile pursuits of elite free agents have played out in the media, no significant upheaval in the coaching staff or front office has occurred, no one to my knowledge has been arrested. So what freaking chaos are you talking about, Nick?
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I got as far as the first sentence.
"Another wrinkle to a chaotic offseason has taken another turn for the New York Jets."
First, that sentence is garbage writing for anyone, never mind someone masquerading as a journalist. Another wrinkle has taken another turn? So there are multiple wrinkles each taking multiple turns? Pretty sure that's not what you meant, you just decided to jam two lazy cliches together in one very short sentence.
Secondly, in what way has this been a chaotic offseason? We've lost a moderately good player in FA that we expected to lose in FA. We've signed some moderately good players in FA to fill most of the holes we needed to fill. No trades have been made, no big splashes have happened, no high profile pursuits of elite free agents have played out in the media, no significant upheaval in the coaching staff or front office has occurred, no one to my knowledge has been arrested. So what freaking chaos are you talking about, Nick?
The Athletic wrote a mean article about the Jets.
Colleen Wolfe got a bogus story from a bad source. She's already backtracked.
The race to "report" something first blew up again.