Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 06:26:11 PM
https://twitter.com/cammellor/status/1341539960588001280?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 06:28:34 PM
https://twitter.com/_stevefrederick/status/1341536940982751232?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2020, 06:44:47 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
Post by: insanity on December 22, 2020, 09:53:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Allgeir also looks like he can play
He was a rotational linebacker last season for BYU. He's been very good all season for them as an all-purpose back.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2020, 10:01:11 PM
LSU should do whatever it takes to bring him in. Or the Jets can just hire him...
Post by: insanity on December 22, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
Jeff Grimes deserves a big time OC job after the jobs he's done at BYU since 2018. Super creative, highly productive scheme with inferior skill talent.Was actually thinking could we bring in his qb coach to make him feel comfortable. Oc would work too
LSU should do whatever it takes to bring him in. Or the Jets can just hire him...
Post by: IATA on December 28, 2020, 01:12:05 PM
i cant wait for ohio st to stomp a new poopchute into him.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 01:12:59 PM
i cant wait for ohio st to stomp a new poopchute into him.
lol ok
Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
everytime i hear dabo sweeney talk, i feel significantly dumber, like he's sucked the common sense from my brain and replaced it with daboisms
i cant wait for ohio st to stomp a new poopchute into him.
I will be absolutely shocked if that happens. Hell if it does it's going to require the worst performance of Trevor Lawrence's career, and the best of Justin Fields. Which actually might be a good thing for us
Post by: IATA on December 28, 2020, 04:59:47 PM
I will be absolutely shocked if that happens. Hell if it does it's going to require the worst performance of Trevor Lawrence's career, and the best of Justin Fields. Which actually might be a good thing for usTervor lawrence is no longer my best friend.
Justin field is new best friend.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: IATA on December 28, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
lol okIf Trevor loses so badly in his last game, he'll stay in college and we can tank the right way next year. Right
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
Justin field is new best friend.
He shouldn't be.
Post by: IATA on December 28, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
He shouldn't be.Let me cope ok
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
Let me cope ok
Watch Zach Wilson highlights and cry tears of joy instead
Post by: IATA on December 29, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
Watch Zach Wilson highlights and cry tears of joy instead
(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/college-football/players/full/4361259.png&w=350&h=254)
i wanna kick the excrement out of him on principal alone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 04:41:17 PM
Ok St. vs Miami
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 02:19:47 PM
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Post by: Badger on December 30, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Clemson OC/RB Tony Elliott will not be at Sugar Bowl because of COVID protocols. Tigers face Ohio State Friday in @CFBPlayoff semifinals
That is ...big
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
Cotton Bowl: I dunno what Kyle Trask's problem is (3 INTs) but fugly Spencer Rattler looks pretty freaking good for a redshirt freshman.
#LordKingDogface.
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2020, 09:10:18 PM
To be honest having Pitts and Toney opt out didn't help..
Post by: delavan on December 31, 2020, 03:16:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcOd44lJhE
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
Post by: delavan on December 31, 2020, 03:21:13 PM
Mississippi #4 is a bitch.
Total bitch with that kick-and-run-away b.s.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
Mississippi #4 is a bitch.
Sign #7 on Tulsa to a UDFA deal and let him fight all the pussies for a spot on the practice squad
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2021, 05:40:34 PM
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2021, 07:34:04 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2021, 09:08:02 PM
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2021, 09:24:23 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 09:47:08 PM
I hope Clemson gets smoked because Dabo is a douche.
Yes. Also, you're suggestion about the Jaguars might fall in love with Fields due to the playoffs is getting some traction, sans that pick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 01, 2021, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 10:02:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 01, 2021, 10:10:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 01, 2021, 10:13:27 PM
For as good as Venables has been, he should be fired for this gameplan.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 01, 2021, 10:31:56 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 10:35:32 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 01, 2021, 10:35:41 PM
It’s great that he can throw a post route against Cover 2
For as good as Venables has been, he should be fired for this gameplan.
I’m still trying to figure out what the actual plan was. Whatever they were planning to do the execution was absolutely awful
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 10:43:12 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 01, 2021, 10:44:33 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19)
Yeah Geno! Always played well in Miami.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 01, 2021, 11:06:11 PM
I'm a big fan of Ryan Day. He is a class act, unlike the Ohio State coach before him.
Justin Fields will get all kinds of hype after this one, but Day and his split zone scheme won this game. He was five steps ahead of Brent Venables all night.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 11:14:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 01, 2021, 11:16:21 PM
This might have been a fun if Tony Elliot was able to coach.
It would've been closer, but Clemson's title hopes went up in flames the moment Justyn Ross was declared out for season.
The offensive line from last year lost four starters. The receiving corps was super inexperienced. The linebackers are just super slow and Isaiah Simmons covered up a lot of the flaws in Venables' scheme. Relying heavily on Cover 2 with linebackers that can't run is asinine.
Swinney should fire him, but he won't.
Post by: IATA on January 01, 2021, 11:17:29 PM
lol oklol
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 01, 2021, 11:17:58 PM
lol
Sent from fire adam gase.
JACKASS
I'LL KILL YOU
Post by: Heismanberg on January 01, 2021, 11:18:33 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2021, 11:23:02 PM
Can't wait to draft the next Geno Smith with the #2 overall pick.
It's the Jaguars turn.
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2021, 11:29:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19)Physically recoiled at this information
Post by: dcm1602 on January 01, 2021, 11:31:09 PM
Alabama will beat the excrement out of whoever won this one.
I'm a big fan of Ryan Day. He is a class act, unlike the Ohio State coach before him.
Justin Fields will get all kinds of hype after this one, but Day and his split zone scheme won this game. He was five steps ahead of Brent Venables all night.
Is it an unreasonable opinion, that after today the second overall pick became that much more valuable?
I mean if we use it to draft Fields or whoever it's a moot point.
But you have to think it certainly makes the Jets trading out a more viable option
Post by: insanity on January 01, 2021, 11:35:08 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 02, 2021, 12:31:04 AM
I think it helps us drop down a spot to pick up some capital from the team that wants sewell
Sewell is not more valuable than whoever QB2 is.
If someone is trading up to 2, it's for a quarterback not a tackle.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2021, 05:15:09 AM
Yes. Also, you're suggestion about the Jaguars might fall in love with Fields due to the playoffs is getting some traction, sans that pick.That wasn't me, but I'll take credit.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 02, 2021, 05:56:04 AM
That wasn't me, but I'll take credit.
I could have sworn it was you but I’m too lazy to look.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
I could have sworn it was you but I’m too lazy to look.
I said it as a joke but you never know. None of us thought Cleveland would take Mayfield over Darnold.
Post by: insanity on January 02, 2021, 09:16:40 AM
Sewell is not more valuable than whoever QB2 is.If the bengals are behind us there is no reason why we couldn't swap picks for a 3rd
If someone is trading up to 2, it's for a quarterback not a tackle.
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2021, 09:23:02 AM
If the bengals are behind us there is no reason why we couldn't swap picks for a 3rdThe Bengals would need to believe that we're a threat to take Sewell at 2 or that another team is willing to jump ahead of them for Sewell.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2021, 09:27:50 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2021, 09:28:21 AM
As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.
Need a QB first
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2021, 09:32:11 AM
Need a QB first
If none available are better than the one we have, get the WR and OT. JD and the new staff will have to make that call.
Otherwise we're on the same treadmill at QB we've been on at D line, just replacing a previous high pick with new ones and not improving the team.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
If none available are better than the one we have, get the WR and OT. JD and the new staff will have to make that call.
Otherwise we're on the same treadmill at QB we've been on at D line, just replacing a previous high pick with new ones and not improving the team.
I agree it'll be the call for the new regime. But Sam is done here imo.
- JD didn't draft Darnold..so there's no loyalty.
- Unless we're hiring a desperate retread for a HC, i highly doubt a new regime will want to work with a reclamation project....sorry to say, but that's what Gase did to our QB.
- I would take Wilson/Fields over Sam if the draft was tomorrow.
- the roster will improve this year and next year, whether we take a QB in the first round or not. JD did an excellent job loading up on draft capital.
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Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2021, 11:23:45 AM
I agree it'll be the call for the new regime. But Sam is done here imo.
- JD didn't draft Darnold..so there's no loyalty.
- Unless we're hiring a desperate retread for a HC, i highly doubt a new regime will want to work with a reclamation project....sorry to say, but that's what Gase did to our QB.
- I would take Wilson/Fields over Sam if the draft was tomorrow.
- the roster will improve this year and next year, whether we take a QB in the first round or not. JD did an excellent job loading up on draft capital.
The question is guarantee to improve the team with a #2 overall and another first rounder, or take another gigantic gamble in the top 5. Trade out of the #2 if you can get Jones and an OT, a lot of QBs can succeed then.
Parcells traded out of #1 when Manning didn't come out and our QBs at the time were O'Donnell who he hated and Foley who sucked. But he built the team up to where any number of QBs could succeed, then one did, who turned out to be Vinny.
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
The question is guarantee to improve the team with a #2 overall and another first rounder, or take another gigantic gamble in the top 5. Trade out of the #2 if you can get Jones and an OT, a lot of QBs can succeed then.Because the QBs in that draft sucked, and then he got lucky that he got a career year from. Vinny.
Parcells traded out of #1 when Manning didn't come out and our QBs at the time were O'Donnell who he hated and Foley who sucked. But he built the team up to where any number of QBs could succeed, then one did, who turned out to be Vinny.
I get the case for building up the rest of the roster in a lot of drafts. But this is a great QB draft on paper. Sure it didn't work out in 2018 but that can't scare you from trying again in 2021, especially when we have a full draft class of picks in addition to the #2.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2021, 02:36:51 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
If we determine that Darnold's not the answer or aren't confident enough that he is to take the risk of running it back with him for another year and grade one of the quarterbacks available at 2 as a franchise guy, we have to take him. It's that simple.Exactly.
To me, this QB class has 3 quarterbacks that could go #1 overall in certain classes. I would take Wilson or Fields as a prospect over Tua or Herbert. They're both in the same class as Burrow IMO. Lawrence is a notch above that.
If this was the 2019 draft, and the quarterback options after #1 were Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins, we would be looking a lot harder at veteran options and at keeping Sam for next season.
But on paper, this is a very good QB class. Some would even throw Trey Lance in that mix. I haven't seen enough to make a decision there. That seems aggressive, but if we hired the right coaching staff, trading down a couple spots and picking Lance (if that is doable) might work out great as well.
I don't see how you can be confident that Darnold is the answer. You can think he's a great kid, a hard worker, and you can see some of his arm talent when he plays, but 3 years into his career, he needs to show more than that to have confidence in him. And if you lack confidence in Sam, and you have a potential franchise QB staring you in the face, it's hard not to move on.
I don't think this has anything to do with the pick at #2 being some short of shiny new toy either. It's a practical decision given:
- how poorly Darnold has played
- Darnold's impending free agency
- the quality of this draft class at QB
- our assets to build around this QB thanks to our cap space and the Adams trade
- attracting a new head coach
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2021, 03:15:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2021, 03:19:53 PM
Look, I love Darnold. I've never made any bones about that. I'll continue to believe in and root for him regardless of what team he plays for (provided it's not in the AFC East). There's a part of me that would love to see us devote our vast array of resources to surrounding him with as much talent as possible and continue to ride-or-die with him. There's another part of me (the logical part) that understands that it would be foolish to take the risk of continuing to ride with Darnold because of the financial repercussions and the opportunity cost (passing on the chance to take a QB at 2 when multiple elite prospects are available). It will be painful but I believe it's ultimately in the best interest of team and player that we move on, take a QB at 2, and trade Darnold to what will hopefully be a better situation for him where we can recoup as much draft capital as possible.
This is mostly where I'm at although I'm not yet quite as far down the road. I have accepted that Darnold is probably done here but I'm still holding out hope he'll be given the chance to compete next season, and I'd still rather see us use the #2 pick to support the quarterback instead of replace him.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2021, 03:33:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2021, 03:43:44 PM
I'm totally against taking a player at 2 if it's not a QB. I believe the package we could obtain for that pick would be far more valuable than any player we could take with it. #2 is too high for a receiver and we already have a left tackle in Becton. No defensive player in this draft is worth that pick.Agreed. The only bad choice we can realistically make is taking a non-QB at 2. Take a QB or find a trade partner.
Post by: insanity on January 02, 2021, 04:15:33 PM
As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.I dont care how good d Smith is. I want nothing to do with those toothpick femurs
Post by: Jumbo on January 02, 2021, 05:07:56 PM
I'm totally against taking a player at 2 if it's not a QB. I believe the package we could obtain for that pick would be far more valuable than any player we could take with it. #2 is too high for a receiver and we already have a left tackle in Becton. No defensive player in this draft is worth that pick.
Highly dependent on:
(1) What people are willing to give for the #2 pick and from where
(2) How the Jets value the QB class
If the Jets don't value the QBs enough to pick at #2, the odds are good that many other teams will feel similarly. All it takes is one, but there is a potential scenario where JD and crew don't want to take a QB at 2 but there aren't any offers to move down, similarly to the situation that led to the Jets taking Quinnen Williams instead of moving down.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 02, 2021, 05:59:03 PM
I want nothing to do with those toothpick femurs
this is how i felt about ficken
Post by: Heismanberg on January 02, 2021, 07:01:10 PM
As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.
JaMarr Chase is better than Smith
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2021, 09:12:40 PM
JaMarr Chase is better than Smith
That's the beauty of having such a high pick, but my point stands.
Bob Wichusen on the Texas A&M-North Carolina game right now. #Jets
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
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Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 06:51:49 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 06:53:34 PM
Excited to watch the GOAT Justin Fields throw 10 TDs tonight.
F U
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
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Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 07:18:39 PM
F U*9 TDs
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 11, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
3
AND
OUT
#FieldsStinks
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
So Naturally Alabama by 21+ is my guess
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2021, 07:29:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2021, 07:34:12 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1348802571847274496?s=19
Poor Adam Gase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2021, 07:34:36 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2021, 07:35:36 PM
Poor Adam GaseHes gonna be the new Philly special
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 07:38:59 PM
OSU first driveOSU 2nd drive
3
AND
OUT
#FieldsStinks
Touchdown, dropping dimes.
#TradeUpForFields
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 07:39:14 PM
Master Teague III SZNMaster of Touchdowns
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 07:41:05 PM
OSU 2nd drive
Touchdown, dropping dimes.
#TradeUpForFields
The big play was a better catch than throw.
but the corner route to Olave was a damn good play
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 07:46:17 PM
The big play was a better catch than throw.It was a great catch, but it was also a great throw. Fields had to put it in that spot.
but the corner route to Olave was a damn good play
Great job reading the defense, coming off his first read, and putting the ball exactly where it needed to be.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1348807030182653953
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Also, I love watching the Film Room broadcast of these games (ESPNews).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2021, 07:48:30 PM
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2021, 07:52:10 PM
Najee Harris is a beast
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 07:54:34 PM
Ohio State's defense doesn't have much of a chance.I'm watching the ESPNU broadcast with no commentary.
Also, I love watching the Film Room broadcast of these games (ESPNews).
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2021, 07:55:19 PM
Fun fact: this is Tuf Borland’s 8th year in school
GPA: 0.0
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 07:56:05 PM
I'm watching the ESPNU broadcast with no commentary.Also, a fair way to watch it.
Film Room is a terrible way to watch if you are a fan of either team, but it's great watching the coaches break things down live.
I bounce around a bit between ESPN, ESPNews and ESPNU.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 07:58:33 PM
You'd think someone would cover SmithClawson and Freeze raving about the play design.
Ohio State had man-to-man on Smith. Smith motioned one way, then went back the other way. Shaun Wade followed him initially but he had no chance to come back once Smith reversed field.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 07:59:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 08:00:19 PM
Trey Sermon apparently headed to the hospitalFeel horrible for him and the OSU guys who had COVID. You play this season to get to this point, and you either get sick and can't play, or you get hurt on literally your first play of the game.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 08:08:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:16:50 PM
Smith is gonna have 600 yards tonight.
If he was 200 lbs I think he'd be a contender to be #1 overall in any year not containing Lawrence. The dude is freaking unreal
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:17:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 08:17:51 PM
If he was 200 lbs I think he'd be a contender to be #1 overall in any year not containing Lawrence. The dude is freaking unrealAnd if this were 2005, Najee Harris would be a top-5 pick.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:19:49 PM
And if this were 2005, Najee Harris would be a top-5 pick.
I was just thinking of saying, if this was still a bygone era, Harris would be the #1 pick
Post by: casman02 on January 11, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 08:30:07 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:30:22 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 08:32:20 PM
I really really hate DQ'ing a kid for a hit like that. Because that's gotta be considered targeting.
I have no problem with someone getting DQed for a hit like that.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
I have no problem with someone getting DQed for a hit like that.
If we aren't going to DQ NFL guys for that play, who are far better, far bigger, faster strong, and far more capable of controlling their bodies, why are we throwing out college kids who might be 18 years old all over college football?
I agree that those hits need to be eliminated, coached out of players and all of that, but it's a split second decision, and so many times (not so much here) an offensive guys tucks his head at the last second to brace for impact and bam now it's head to head and the defensive guy is tossed. That's the part I despise the most.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2021, 08:36:32 PM
If we aren't going to DQ NFL guys for that play, who are far better, far bigger, faster strong, and far more capable of controlling their bodies, why are we throwing out college kids who might be 18 years old all over college football?
I agree that those hits need to be eliminated, coached out of players and all of that, but it's a split second decision, and so many times (not so much here) an offensive guys tucks his head at the last second to brace for impact and bam now it's head to head and the defensive guy is tossed. That's the part I despise the most.
If you coach them not to do it at 18/19 and punish them when they do, there's less chance of them doing it at the next stage of their career.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:40:30 PM
If you coach them not to do it at 18/19 and punish them when they do, there's less chance of them doing it at the next stage of their career.
Yes but the majority of these guys playing college footballs next stage of their career is insurance salesman.
The guys on the field tonight are almost all headed to the league, Battle included. And Battles hit is a different animal than many of those ones that result in targeting calls across the country all season. His is far worse than the average targeting call.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 11, 2021, 08:41:56 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 08:43:30 PM
Shaun Wade doesn't have a prayer of covering Smith.
He doesn’t have a prayer covering anybody if he’s not lined up in the slot
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 08:44:59 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 11, 2021, 08:45:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 08:46:15 PM
Fields has looked like excrement
He checked it down against 10 defenders
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2021, 08:46:19 PM
Yes but the majority of these guys playing college footballs next stage of their career is insurance salesman.
The guys on the field tonight are almost all headed to the league, Battle included. And Battles hit is a different animal than many of those ones that result in targeting calls across the country all season. His is far worse than the average targeting call.
I'm not defending the majority of targeting calls. You asked why they call targeting in college football for tackles that wouldn't draw a flag in the NFL.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 08:47:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 08:48:17 PM
Fields is rattledLooked great early, but struggling now.
Clearly, the ribs and the hip are bothering him. Maybe we'll find out to what extent later.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 08:48:22 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
Looked great early, but struggling now.
Clearly, the ribs and the hip are bothering him. Maybe we'll find out to what extent later.
No excuses
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 08:51:11 PM
There's a better WR than this kid?
JaMarr Chase
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 11, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
Looked great early, but struggling now.
Clearly, the ribs and the hip are bothering him. Maybe we'll find out to what extent later.
Great?
Lol
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:51:45 PM
I'm not defending the majority of targeting calls. You asked why they call targeting in college football for tackles that wouldn't draw a flag in the NFL.
I was obviously miscommunicating then as I was trying to talk about the targeting =ejection rule. That’s the part I don’t like when we aren’t kicking dudes out at the next level who have years more training and experience
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
JaMarr Chase
I know it’s absolutely impossible but my god it would be fun as hell to have our two first rounders end up as a combo of Smith and Chase.
JaMarr Chase
Devonta Smith
Denzel Mims
Jamison Crowder
Good lord, good luck covering that group of guys
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
I was obviously miscommunicating then as I was trying to talk about the targeting =ejection rule. That’s the part I don’t like when we aren’t kicking dudes out at the next level who have years more training and experience
Oh I see. Yes, I'd have some sympathy with the idea of it not being an immediate ejection. Maybe do it a bit like in soccer with totting up of cards: first offense in a game is a warning, second is an ejection with an automatic ban for the next game. Three warnings in separate games mean a ban in the next game following.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 08:55:47 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 08:58:28 PM
If we aren't going to DQ NFL guys for that play, who are far better, far bigger, faster strong, and far more capable of controlling their bodies, why are we throwing out college kids who might be 18 years old all over college football?
I agree that those hits need to be eliminated, coached out of players and all of that, but it's a split second decision, and so many times (not so much here) an offensive guys tucks his head at the last second to brace for impact and bam now it's head to head and the defensive guy is tossed. That's the part I despise the most.
Maybe try the opposite mindset. Because this was a bad take.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2021, 09:00:08 PM
Him playing like excrement just kills our draft value
If he suffers some catastrophic injury then maybe you could argue our pick becomes worth more with teams having to bid for Wilson.
But Fields just sucking does us no favors
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 09:01:16 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 11, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 09:02:10 PM
If we're not in love with Wilson, trading down with a team that's in love with Wilson/Fields and picking up one of these stud receivers is a pretty attractive scenario.
I’m cool with it.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 11, 2021, 09:05:24 PM
At least people with STFU about us taking Fields.
Nah. They'll just talk about the Clemson game to justify the pick
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 09:05:57 PM
If we're not in love with Wilson, trading back with a team that's in love with Wilson/Fields and picking up one of these stud receivers is a pretty attractive alternative.
Heis had talked about Atlanta seemingly wanting to get up for a QB. If we could drop to 4 and then slide down to 8 with the Panthers that would be a hell of a haul of draft capital and we would right be in the sweet spot for playmakers
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 09:14:07 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2021, 09:14:14 PM
Fields better have a nasty second half
Him playing like excrement just kills our draft value
If he suffers some catastrophic injury then maybe you could argue our pick becomes worth more with teams having to bid for Wilson.
But Fields just sucking does us no favors
The #2 pick is still the #2 pick, it's not all about QBs. There's a Heisman winner out there with 200 yards in the first half. With the #1 almost a done deal, it puts us in a good spot. Not to mention we also have #23 and #34.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 09:18:28 PM
Nah. They'll just talk about the Clemson game to justify the pick
“His ribs hurt so much that he couldn’t read the defense!”
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 09:19:29 PM
Fields is absolutely worthy of a high pick. I'm fine with him or Wilson at 2. I can hear arguments for both guys (clearly, the arguments on this board are 100% Wilson). I'm also thrilled if we can trade down. The only thing that would pee me off is a non-QB at 2, assuming Fields and/or Wilson are considered elite prospects by the NFL like the are from analysts.
The only elite prospects in this draft are:
Trevor Lawrence
Penei Sewell
JaMarr Chase
DeVonta Smith
Patrick Surtain II
Wilson and Fields are not elite prospects.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 09:23:23 PM
The only elite prospects in this draft are:Fine. "Worthy of the #2 pick." In a vacuum, Sewell, Chase, Smith and Surtain might be better prospects at their positions than Wilson and Fields are at QB, but QB is so much more valuable.
Trevor Lawrence
Penei Sewell
JaMarr Chase
DeVonta Smith
Patrick Surtain II
Wilson and Fields are not elite prospects.
Also, if we're ignoring positions, Kyle Pitts might be an elite prospect at TE as well.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
What’s scary is that a healthy Jaylen Waddle might be better than DeVonta Smith...
Until the Waddle injury there was talk he could unseat Chase as WR #1. Then I was hopeful he might slide due to that injury so we’d have a shot at him with the Seattle pick, but that seems absurd to think about now.
I could see all 3 WRs go top 10 right now.
I really wonder how teams will evaluate guys who opted out this year. With the way Smith has balled out would anyone be surprised if he went ahead of Chase who hasn’t been seen in a year? Draft season this year will be bonkers
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2021, 09:33:34 PM
Fine. "Worthy of the #2 pick." In a vacuum, Sewell, Chase, Smith and Surtain might be better prospects at their positions than Wilson and Fields are at QB, but QB is so much more valuable.
Also, if we're ignoring positions, Kyle Pitts might be an elite prospect at TE as well.
You have to take someone worthy of the pick when you're this high. It's not #12 or #5, it's #2. We can get anyone out there except Trevor Lawrence, don't blow it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 09:38:44 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 09:40:27 PM
Get Waddle out of the game.
Remember that relief pitcher from UT Austin who everyone was praising for staying in that one game where he pitched over 100 pitches and puking on the mound and then all of the pro scouts took him off of their draft boards because his arm was shot? Yea...
Post by: Coach K on January 11, 2021, 09:44:59 PM
pray we can just trade down to 5 with CAR
Fields and Wilson are not worth taking at 2 and I am always of the mindset you dont play games at QB.
I just cant take either of those at 2 with the amount of holes we have and think its the best long term use of that asset
get a bonafide blue chip WR, or even freaking Pitts or Surtain via trade down.
OT isnt big enough of a hole to get Sewell either imo. we target IOL at 23. and if we can actually get Thuney or IOL help in FA
get me Najee Harris at 23. (no he is not Derrick Henry. people want to make this assumption because they both have dreads imo lol) Harris is not as good as Henry. Harris is a better reciever though. which i like about his game, but hes certainly worth it at 23 if we can solve a few holes with plug and play starters in FA.
I like Perrine and Johnson as rotation guys but we need elite talent. im not married to the idea , because its contingent. if we strike out in FA then it goes right back to the best IOL on the board at 23 unless someone else falls.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2021, 09:45:29 PM
They should go for an onsides kick. Probably won't be much of a surprise, but they can't stop them, might as well try to get the ball.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 09:45:38 PM
Post by: Coach K on January 11, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
I just see to much hesitation he gets away with because hes got a cannon and hes going against NCAA defenses. I see tons of INT's in his future
Any Urban Meyer offense (Ryan day is just running a slightly modified version) handicaps QB development. its 4 track stars with a screen or sideline throw. I watched if at Utah and almost every game at UF.
Alex Smith is the only QB he ever touched to do a freaking thing and that was after like 8 years, and Harbaugh, Roman, and Reid got their hands on him.
Fields is better than any of the OSU guys to ever come out, but that system alone scares me to death when trying to evaluate a QB. I see the hesitation and he even has chances to pull down and run for chunks and slide without risk he doesnt see because he trails a damn drag or out route and stares it down for like 2 whole seconds before looking elsewhere.
yes he throws an amazing deep ball, i will not deny that. between him and Wilson , i hate the idea of QB at 2.
and i actually like Wilson. just not THAT much .
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2021, 09:52:53 PM
They should go for an onsides kick. Probably won't be much of a surprise, but they can't stop them, might as well try to get the ball.
No, keep that geeky analytic excrement outta here
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 11, 2021, 09:56:18 PM
#Jets draft watch:
🔺DeVonta Smith: Has to be a consideration at 2. High for a WR, but he’s special.
🔻Justin Fields: Shaky first half. Doesn’t look like franchise QB. Not saying he won’t be good pro, but we’re talking about No. 2 pick.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 09:56:55 PM
@Rich CiminiThe replies to this were fun
#Jets draft watch:DeVonta Smith: Has to be a consideration at 2. High for a WR, but he’s special.
Justin Fields: Shaky first half. Doesn’t look like franchise QB. Not saying he won’t be good pro, but we’re talking about No. 2 pick.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 10:00:05 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2021, 10:00:36 PM
@Rich Cimini
#Jets draft watch:
🔺DeVonta Smith: Has to be a consideration at 2. High for a WR, but he’s special.
🔻Justin Fields: Shaky first half. Doesn’t look like franchise QB. Not saying he won’t be good pro, but we’re talking about No. 2 pick.
My only reservation is it's Alabama, they all look good there. These other guys are tearing it up too and this is the final. Was it Idzik or Macc who drafted ArDarius Stewart? The only bad Alabama WR ever.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2021, 10:42:32 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2021, 10:44:22 PM
Fields is actually not good
Red zone was bad, no better than Sam.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 10:51:43 PM
Fields is actually not good
See this is why I’m glad that we get a better post season sample size than just a single bowl game.
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Was it Idzik or Macc who drafted ArDarius Stewart? The only bad Alabama WR ever.It was Macc in 2017.
2016: 5-11
2017: 5-11
2018: 4-12
2019: 7-9
2020: 2-14
In the past 5 years, the Jets have played 80 games. They've won 23 of them. The New York Jet organization is a fucking disgrace!
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2021, 10:57:00 PM
The #2 pick is still the #2 pick, it's not all about QBs. There's a Heisman winner out there with 200 yards in the first half. With the #1 almost a done deal, it puts us in a good spot. Not to mention we also have #23 and #34.
Draft pick trade value is all about QBs
In my eyes the absolute best case scenario is the Jets trade out, and get one of the top 2 receivers in this draft
If there's not a QB that gets teams hot and horny about the second overall pick, it becomes exponentially less likely that that happens. And if it still does, it could be for much less than the bounty this team needs
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2021, 06:32:18 AM
Draft pick trade value is all about QBs
In my eyes the absolute best case scenario is the Jets trade out, and get one of the top 2 receivers in this draft
If there's not a QB that gets teams hot and horny about the second overall pick, it becomes exponentially less likely that that happens. And if it still does, it could be for much less than the bounty this team needs
In that case you don't trade then, you take the best player that helps your team the most. At #2 your choice is anyone you want, and you still have #s 23 & 34 to use or package if you want to make a deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2021, 06:40:25 AM
If a team liked both Fields and Wilson they could trade to 3 or possibly 4 to take whoever is left over
Now teams will have to trade directly with us if they want to guarantee they get Wilson
It all remains to be seen how this will play out
Post by: Gorilla on January 12, 2021, 04:06:44 PM
It is not a lock that Fields struggling hurt us
...
It all remains to be seen how this will play out
I agree that Fields’ performance did nothing to hurt us, as he struggled about as much as any QB would have. Lawrence and Clemson would have been stomped in this game as well.
If Fields threw for 400 yds and 5 tds it would have moved the needle positively; if he threw 4 picks and looked absolutely inept it would have moved needle negatively....he did neither, so i assume the game would have little impact on JD’s view of him or his draft stock in general.
He made some impressive, pro-level throws, and he also (understandably) looked rattled against an elite team. Im cool with whatever Douglas/ new HC decides with the Qb situation.
(Sidenote: we’re not taking Devonta Smith or a non-qb IF we stay at pick #2....keep that TGG silliness out of here. It would be an egregious mismanagement of our best draft asset. Hey, if im wrong then ive underestimated Douglas and I’ll buy everyone here an ice cream cone)
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2021, 04:10:26 PM
I agree that Fields’ performance did nothing to hurt us, as he struggled about as much as any QB would have. Lawrence and Clemson would have been stomped in this game as well.Can't wait to enjoy that soft serve swirl in my new Penei Sewell jersey
If Fields threw for 400 yds and 5 tds it would have moved the needle positively; if he threw 4 picks and looked absolutely inept it would have moved needle negatively....he did neither, so i assume the game would have little impact on JD’s view of him or his draft stock in general.
He made some impressive, pro-level throws, and he also (understandably) looked rattled against an elite team. Im cool with whatever Douglas/ new HC decides with the Qb situation.
(Sidenote: we’re not taking Devonta Smith or a non-qb IF we stay at pick #2....keep that TGG silliness out of here. It would be an egregious mismanagement of our best draft asset. Hey, if im wrong then ive underestimated Douglas and I’ll buy everyone here an ice cream cone)
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 12, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
I agree that Fields’ performance did nothing to hurt us, as he struggled about as much as any QB would have. Lawrence and Clemson would have been stomped in this game as well.Completely agree. Fields isn't a perfect prospect at all, but there is plenty to work with, and if our offensive coaches think they can get the best out of his ability, let's go. Same with Wilson.
If Fields threw for 400 yds and 5 tds it would have moved the needle positively; if he threw 4 picks and looked absolutely inept it would have moved needle negatively....he did neither, so i assume the game would have little impact on JD’s view of him or his draft stock in general.
He made some impressive, pro-level throws, and he also (understandably) looked rattled against an elite team. Im cool with whatever Douglas/ new HC decides with the Qb situation.
(Sidenote: we’re not taking Devonta Smith or a non-qb IF we stay at pick #2....keep that TGG silliness out of here. It would be an egregious mismanagement of our best draft asset. Hey, if im wrong then ive underestimated Douglas and I’ll buy everyone here an ice cream cone)
DeVonta Smith would be an awful pick at 2. I see Dolphins fans I know that are excited they could get him at 3. I hope they get him at 3. He's a very good prospect, but I would not take a skinny receiver that high in the draft, especially when JaMarr Chase is still a better prospect IMO.
Sewell I could maybe buy at 2, but it's a little tougher to swallow after drafting Becton last year. The positional value isn't what it normally would be.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2021, 05:07:28 PM
Completely agree. Fields isn't a perfect prospect at all, but there is plenty to work with, and if our offensive coaches think they can get the best out of his ability, let's go. Same with Wilson.
DeVonta Smith would be an awful pick at 2. I see Dolphins fans I know that are excited they could get him at 3. I hope they get him at 3. He's a very good prospect, but I would not take a skinny receiver that high in the draft, especially when JaMarr Chase is still a better prospect IMO.
Sewell I could maybe buy at 2, but it's a little tougher to swallow after drafting Becton last year. The positional value isn't what it normally would be.
Always value in top end OTs, you need two. I know it's a long time ago, but we drafted OTs #1 in 1977 and 1978, we had a killer O-line all the way to the mid 80s. Obviously no free agency then, but it made the QBs, WRs, RBs, everyone better. Richard Todd was drafted in 1976, similar situation to Darnold, and struggled badly until the line got in place.