Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: MexJetinBcn on September 21, 2020, 06:56:33 AM
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It’s really depressing to do this in Week 2, but you know the song. We’ll be talking about this for weeks so I guessed it’d be better to give it its own thread. The most popular name out there now is Eric Bienemy and I know most of you don’t like rethreads but maybe what we need is a Bill Parcells to go after our new Rich Kotite. A coach with a great football mind who will stabilize the dressing room and the franchise. Hell, I’d kill for a Bruce Arians atm to be honest.
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I don't have a problem with retreads, I just have some conditions:
1) Be an offensively-minded coach
2) Hire a real OC to do the playcalling and focus on your job
Based on yesterday, Greg Williams can take a hike, but prior to that I loved the guy so I'm not making rash judgements on whether the new HC should retain him or not
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No idea. Glad I could help.
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Literally anyone else
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No idea. Glad I could help.
This is the content I come here for.
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Usually i'd be all about this thread. But i want to see Gase escorted out of the building before i can talk about potential replacements.
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1) Be an offensively-minded coach
2) Hire a real OC to do the playcalling and focus on your job
If our next HC hires an offensive coordinator to call plays, why does it matter if he's offensive minded?
I'd take Robert Saleh over just about any other NFL assistant.
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This is the content I come here for.
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If our next HC hires an offensive coordinator to call plays, why does it matter if he's offensive minded?
I'd take Robert Saleh over just about any other NFL assistant.
Robert Salad sounds good.
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If we hire Bieniemy, do we have to interview a white guy first? Reverse Rooney?
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If we hire Bieniemy, do we have to interview a white guy first? Reverse Rooney?
Loggains
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Loggains
He's white? I though midget was a race.
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He's white? I though midget was a race.
no, it's a choice.
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If our next HC hires an offensive coordinator to call plays, why does it matter if he's offensive minded?
I'd take Robert Saleh over just about any other NFL assistant.
Well do you want a defensive minded HC who will bring in a good OC, who will then blow all his picks on defensive linemen?
I'd think a good offensive talent would be less likely to come here as OC if we had a good offensive HC that would overshadow him
Ideally, between the HC and OC, one would have a background at developing and understanding QB's, and the other a more traditional OC.
That said John Harbaugh would be my ideal guy. Obviously he's not a potential candidate, but it goes to show you that the right guy is the right guy irrelevant of his background.
Of course on the flip side none of us want to see the Rex Ryan mindset where you bring in a guy phenomenal on the defensive did eof the ball, that's going to give the offense HIV
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Well do you want a defensive minded HC who will bring in a good OC, who will then blow all his picks on defensive linemen?
Last time I checked, Joe Douglas was making draft selections. Not whoever the head coach is.
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I don't care about the HC's background so long as they don't treat the offense as someone else's job (Rex, Bowles) and go with a revolving door of offensive coordinators.
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Last time I checked, Joe Douglas was making draft selections. Not whoever the head coach is.
Sure, but I'm also assuming that if Joe Douglas is bringing in his own HC, he will trust and value his opinions.
Sure it's unlikely to be as dysfunctional as my example, but surely there will be a level of influence and capicity to skew things at least.
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Sure, but I'm also assuming that if Joe Douglas is bringing in his own HC, he will trust and value his opinions.
Sure it's unlikely to be as dysfunctional as my example, but surely there will be a level of influence and capicity to skew things at least.
I feel like you’ve disproved your own worst case scenario in the post itself.
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Sure, but I'm also assuming that if Joe Douglas is bringing in his own HC, he will trust and value his opinions.
Sure it's unlikely to be as dysfunctional as my example, but surely there will be a level of influence and capicity to skew things at least.
You also need to remember that our franchise has the dysfunctional pecking order where the coach and GM are essentially peers and both report to the moronic Johnson bros.
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Last time I checked, Joe Douglas was making draft selections. Not whoever the head coach is.
My problem is, and this could be a uniquely Jets problem, but we've had so many defensively-minded HCs and they always influence the roster too far on "their" side of the ball.
I just want a HC that recognizes that this league is currently designed to heavily favor offense
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Eric Bieniemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0HGwqMRBg
Oklahoma's season-opener's this Saturday so forget Lincoln Riley
Out of left field if his heart's (literally) up for it (edit: just throwing it out there) ...
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My top 3 criteria
1. Experience coaching an entire team
2. Leadership (motivating and delegating)
3. Game management
I don't care where his experience comes from but I want a coach with a ton of experience. I don't believe a coach should be an in game play allergic, he needs to have a pulse on the whole team and help everyone improve.
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What if I told you there was...
...an offensive-minded coach
...who has proven he can beat the Patriots, both in the playoffs and recently
...who is leading one of the best offenses in the NFL
...who has had a ton of experience as an offensive coordinator
...who is the son of an NFL coach
...who has ties to the New York Jets
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Head Coach Brian Schottenheimer
Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan
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freak no. russell wilson and that offense were doing fine way before schotty came there. we don't need another retarded OC buoyed up by an all-timeQB
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I am 100% in on Bieniemy.
I'm a big Andy Reid fan, always have been. If Bieniemy brings nothing else to the table, he would still be installing a system that has been at least marginally successful with just about every quarterback its ever featured. I'm talking Kevin-Kolb-is-an-NFL-quarterback successful. I can't believe that Bieniemy hasn't absorbed at least a little bit of Reid's approach to developing quarterbacks.
Also, Reid is almost universally respected within the NFL. That's absurdly rare. That's why I think Reid's coaching tree has been more successful than someone like Belichick's. Every single coach off of Belichick's tree has inherited his absolute cuntiness and tried to replicate that culture - none have been successful on the NFL level. Reid has John Harbaugh, who is respected by his team and has won a ring. Reid has Doug Pederson, who is respected by his team and has won a ring. Reid has Sean McDermott who, whatever you have to say about him this early in his career, clearly has put his young quarterback in the best possible position to be successful. I don't know why you wouldn't want to take a chance on a branch from that tree, especially when you're talking about Reid's most overwhelmingly successful assistant to date.
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https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1308115641317158915?s=21
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Mike McDaniel
Arthur Smith
Eric Bieniemy
Robert Saleh
Byron Leftwich
Nick Siranni
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I am 100% in on Bieniemy.
I'm a big Andy Reid fan, always have been. If Bieniemy brings nothing else to the table, he would still be installing a system that has been at least marginally successful with just about every quarterback its ever featured. I'm talking Kevin-Kolb-is-an-NFL-quarterback successful. I can't believe that Bieniemy hasn't absorbed at least a little bit of Reid's approach to developing quarterbacks.
Also, Reid is almost universally respected within the NFL. That's absurdly rare. That's why I think Reid's coaching tree has been more successful than someone like Belichick's. Every single coach off of Belichick's tree has inherited his absolute cuntiness and tried to replicate that culture - none have been successful on the NFL level. Reid has John Harbaugh, who is respected by his team and has won a ring. Reid has Doug Pederson, who is respected by his team and has won a ring. Reid has Sean McDermott who, whatever you have to say about him this early in his career, clearly has put his young quarterback in the best possible position to be successful. I don't know why you wouldn't want to take a chance on a branch from that tree, especially when you're talking about Reid's most overwhelmingly successful assistant to date.
He will definitely be a leading candidate. I'm worried about his limited experience and with that, his ability to put together a great staff.
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What if I told you there was...
...an offensive-minded coach
...who has proven he can beat the Patriots, both in the playoffs and recently
...who is leading one of the best offenses in the NFL
...who has had a ton of experience as an offensive coordinator
...who is the son of an NFL coach
...who has ties to the New York Jets
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Head Coach Brian Schottenheimer
Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan
I also thought about this yesterday.
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Orlovsky on twitter (EDIT: sorry, didn’t see that it was already posted)
The @Titans OC Arthur Smith is going to be a HC soon. Like 2021 soon
Titans ranks since Tannehill became starter (Week 7 of 2019):
Yards per play (1st)
Red zone % (1st)
3rd down % (T-2nd)
Efficiency (3rd)
Yards (3rd)
Scoring (4th)
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Mike McDaniel
Arthur Smith
Eric Bieniemy
Robert Saleh
Byron Leftwich
Nick Siranni
PJ Fleck is sad you forgot about him
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He will definitely be a leading candidate. I'm worried about his limited experience and with that, his ability to put together a great staff.
He's coached a second year player to an MVP season and he's coached an offense to a Super Bowl ring. I don't see the fact that he did both these things in only his first two seasons on the job as a negative.
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Orlovsky on twitter (EDIT: sorry, didn’t see that it was already posted)
The @Titans OC Arthur Smith is going to be a HC soon. Like 2021 soon
Titans ranks since Tannehill became starter (Week 7 of 2019):
Yards per play (1st)
Red zone % (1st)
3rd down % (T-2nd)
Efficiency (3rd)
Yards (3rd)
Scoring (4th)
Are there any NFL coordinators with HC experience in college?
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Are there any NFL coordinators with HC experience in college?
Laaaaaaaaane Kiffiiiiiin!!!
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PJ Fleck is sad you forgot about him
PJ Fleck is too good for the Jets
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I am 100% in on Bieniemy.
I'm a big Andy Reid fan, always have been. If Bieniemy brings nothing else to the table, he would still be installing a system that has been at least marginally successful with just about every quarterback its ever featured. I'm talking Kevin-Kolb-is-an-NFL-quarterback successful. I can't believe that Bieniemy hasn't absorbed at least a little bit of Reid's approach to developing quarterbacks.
Also, Reid is almost universally respected within the NFL. That's absurdly rare. That's why I think Reid's coaching tree has been more successful than someone like Belichick's. Every single coach off of Belichick's tree has inherited his absolute cuntiness and tried to replicate that culture - none have been successful on the NFL level. Reid has John Harbaugh, who is respected by his team and has won a ring. Reid has Doug Pederson, who is respected by his team and has won a ring. Reid has Sean McDermott who, whatever you have to say about him this early in his career, clearly has put his young quarterback in the best possible position to be successful. I don't know why you wouldn't want to take a chance on a branch from that tree, especially when you're talking about Reid's most overwhelmingly successful assistant to date.
I am plenty of for this train.
I would also say I would give serious consideration to any of the OC's who work under offensive HC's that have recently developed a young QB into something successful. We have seen a lot of young guns come in the league and find success lately, we need to bring in someone who knows how to do this and try and replicate it, preferably with Sam, but if Sam is irreparable, then with the next guy. Without diving into all those situations, the teams that jump to mind at the Ravens, Texans, Chiefs, Bills, Cardinals. Or even your teams with just wildly successful offensive schemes, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks etc.
I don't hate going into the college ranks, but you gotta be sure you are getting a guy that can win if he can't hand pick his talent. That's why those elite college guys fail, when they can't recruit better talent than everyone else, they can't compete. Lincoln Riley seems like the best bet in the college ranks, but I can't see him leaving unless Oklahoma wins a title, or he gets paid zillions to walk away. If I was trying to dip back into college, I would be going after Harbaugh at Michigan. We have seen what he can do in the NFL and how he can develop QBs.
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PJ Fleck is too good for the Jets
Probably...but so am I. And I'm still here.
So let's fire Gase, and hire Poon Juice Fleck.
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I honestly forgot Schotty was still in the league.
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again, no to a quasi-retarded OC riding the coattails of one of the best QBs ever to success. we saw what schotty did with a young developing QB first hand; why would we subject sam to that excrement? has dowell and gase not been enough already? i might give up on this team if their plan for sam actually went 'we're going to go from gase to schotty' lmfao
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Matt Rhule or Kliff Kingsbury
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What if I told you there was...
...an offensive-minded coach
...who has proven he can beat the Patriots, both in the playoffs and recently
...who is leading one of the best offenses in the NFL
...who has had a ton of experience as an offensive coordinator
...who is the son of an NFL coach
...who has ties to the New York Jets
(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/150250-780x750.jpg)
Head Coach Brian Schottenheimer
Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan
SBTG
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Matt Rhule or Kliff Kingsbury
I have some bad news
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https://twitter.com/nyjetstfmedia/status/1308164015810580485?s=21
@JE
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https://twitter.com/nyjetstfmedia/status/1308164015810580485?s=21
@JE
I hated him as a player but I'd be willing to hear arguments for his competence as a coach. Seems a bit early to make the leap all the way to HC but at this stage I'm in "freak it" mode.
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I hated him as a player but I'd be willing to hear arguments for his competence as a coach. Seems a bit early to make the leap all the way to HC but at this stage I'm in "freak it" mode.
the arguments in the tweet are 'he was a great WR and is always smiling!'
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the arguments in the tweet are 'he was a great WR and is always smiling!'
So that's two things he has over Gase. Keep going.
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I hated him as a player but I'd be willing to hear arguments for his competence as a coach. Seems a bit early to make the leap all the way to HC but at this stage I'm in "freak it" mode.
If we fire gase/loggains and promote Ward to OC and see what he does as a playcaller, that might be something worth investigating.
But I wouldn't even consider Ward as an option for anything other than the Rooney Rule right now, he just isn't experienced enough to run a program.
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If we fire gase/loggains and promote Ward to OC and see what he does as a playcaller, that might be something worth investigating.
But I wouldn't even consider Ward as an option for anything other than the Rooney Rule right now, he just isn't experienced enough to run a program.
If it's an interim job, I don't see much harm in the idea. In fact it seems like a perfect opportunity to give him a chance to show what he's got, the one thing I care about is supporting Sam for the next 14 games and I don't believe he'd do anything to hurt his quarterback. Seems like a more interesting choice with way more upside than Williams, Cooter or Jefferson.
Don't make me talk myself into this.
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I hated him as a player but I'd be willing to hear arguments for his competence as a coach. Seems a bit early to make the leap all the way to HC but at this stage I'm in "freak it" mode.
I dont tbink anything about our current situation suggests promoting from within as a logical answer
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Head Coach Brian Schottenheimer
Don't you bring this evil on us.
Delete this excrement now.
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Don't you bring this evil on us.
Delete this excrement now.
He might be an upgrade over our last 2 coaches!
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That’s a significant jump from OQC to coordinator.
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Hines Ward? Come on. We need a Parcells or a Jimmy Johnson, not someone with absolutely no experience running a program. That would be the Jetsiest thing ever and I don't think even us would reach those depths.
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Hines Ward? Come on. We need a Parcells or a Jimmy Johnson, not someone with absolutely no experience running a program. That would be the Jetsiest thing ever and I don't think even us would reach those depths.
The argument was for an interim OC, not a long term HC.
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Some, including the original tweet, said HC.
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No one on this current staff should to retained at this point.
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If we fire gase/loggains and promote Ward to OC and see what he does as a playcaller, that might be something worth investigating.
But I wouldn't even consider Ward as an option for anything other than the Rooney Rule right now, he just isn't experienced enough to run a program.
SBTG
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No one on this current staff should to retained at this point.
Boyer would be fine to keep.
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Boyer would be fine to keep.
Our special teams has been trashed too
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lol Schotty....man, some of you have short memories.
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I'm a little more irritated at this team today than I was yesterday, but I agree with Heismanberg right now: no one on this staff should be retained past this year
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Some, including the original tweet, said HC.
You’re right. I misread the tweet because there is no way I thought anyone would say something that stupid.
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You’re right. I misread the tweet because there is no way I thought anyone would say something that stupid.
Follow that account on Twitter. You'd be surprised.
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Follow that account on Twitter. You'd be surprised.
I refuse.
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He might be an upgrade over our last 2 coaches!
i actually think schotty would be an upgrade both for the team/for the offense/for sam over gase, but definitely still not the right answer or direction for this team or for sam. i think hiring somebody like schotty would essentially be throwing the dirt into the grave that gase has dug for sam's career
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We’ll probably hire Bill O’Brien after the Texans fire him.
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We’ll probably hire Bill O’Brien after the Texans fire him.
I was much higher on O'Brien about 2 years ago. Would not have hated it then.
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We’ll probably hire Bill O’Brien after the Texans fire him.
SBTG
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Hire BoB for OC
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Is Gregg not an option? We loved him last year.
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Is Gregg not an option? We loved him last year.
The defense looks about as bad as the offense does so far.
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The defense looks about as bad as the offense does so far.
Agreed, but they're down a bunch of players from last year between opt-out, injury and the trade.
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Agreed, but they're down a bunch of players from last year between opt-out, injury and the trade.
A bunch of players?
We have nine returning starters. Mosley was basically out for season last year anyway.
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I thought our continuity on defense would give us a chance to have a strong unit. The Adams loss hurts obviously, but the rest of the unit is basically the same.
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I thought our continuity on defense would give us a chance to have a strong unit. The Adams loss hurts obviously, but the rest of the unit is basically the same.
Losing Adams shouldn’t account for the tackling issues.
We’re returning a lot of the same players and Bounty Gegg is still there. To me the signs are pointing to the players not wanting to play for this organization.
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I think Gregg could get more out of the team short term, but Douglas and Johnson need to rid themselves of this mess if things continue down this path.
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The Buffalo game I thought they hung in after a bad start and were on the field a long time. Not that they played great but they got some turnovers and some bad calls.
Yesterday, obviously the first half was terrible. According to the radio there was a bad call that extended the 49ers drive on 3rd down going into the half. We've had a few penalties extend drives when we should have been getting off the field.Second half I have no idea, gave up 10 vs the backup QB.
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The Buffalo game I thought they hung in after a bad start and were on the field a long time. Not that they played great but they got some turnovers and some bad calls.
Yesterday, obviously the first half was terrible. According to the radio there was a bad call that extended the 49ers drive on 3rd down going into the half. We've had a few penalties extend drives when we should have been getting off the field.Second half I have no idea, gave up 10 vs the backup QB.
Our linebackers are slow footed and slow to diagnose. We have a non-existent pass rush (again) aside from Quinnen, who flashed against San Francisco.
The secondary has been awful. Maye was all over the place in Week 1, but really struggled against the run and pass in Week 2. Shanahan and McDaniel really attacked the edge of our defense and put the safeties in the alley. Not a good look for us.
Even if Mosley comes back strong in 2021, ILB is a significant need for us. We have so much money invested into that position and it's still so bad. We need help everywhere but on the defensive line.
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id be willing to put so much money on mosley being a shell of his former self after 2 full years of non-football contact, a groin injury, and a vegan diet. so much fvckin money there
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https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/1308752049140621312?s=20
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https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/1308752049140621312?s=20
What has kane kiffin been eating?
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New low point in the season every day seems like
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New low point in the season every day seems like
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lol
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https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/1308752049140621312?s=20
At this point, the only reason I can think of to keep Gase around, if I can really stretch the logic of Lane Kiffin here, is to show potential hires during the offseason that we won't be too quick to fire the next HC given the lack of talent on the roster.
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At this point, the only reason I can think of to keep Gase around, if I can really stretch the logic of Lane Kiffin here, is to show potential hires during the offseason that we won't be too quick to fire the next HC given the lack of talent on the roster.
Pretty sure that any coach who we might consider to be actually qualified to be an NFL HC would not consider the firing of Adam Gase to be premature.
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From 2015-18, Jim Bob Cooter's Lions scored on 36.8% of their drives, 9th-best over that span
Ranks of Gase teams in scoring % since 2016: 25th, 29th, 29th, 32nd, 31st
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What a waste of 2 years. I know many would have been happy with Cooter before Gase was hired, and here we are again, after another failed experiment.
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Arthur Smith definitely on the short list.
https://jetsxfactor.com/2020/09/25/why-arthur-smith-is-the-perfect-head-coach-candidate-for-the-new-york-jets-in-2021/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://jetsxfactor.com/2020/09/25/why-arthur-smith-is-the-perfect-head-coach-candidate-for-the-new-york-jets-in-2021/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
It's really difficult for me to look at any moderately successful assistant coach right now and think, "No, not him." Everyone's an upgrade.
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Arthur Smith would be a cool hire, but I'm not sure he's "flashy" enough for the Jets unfortunately.
Joe Brady would be fun.
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That was a hell of an argument
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I dont want a guy who has been an oc for 1.5 seasons.
This guy is still learning how to manage one aspect of the field
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I dont want a guy who has been an oc for 1.5 seasons.
This guy is still learning how to manage one aspect of the field
I completely agree. It's why I didn't want Bieniemy last year and am nervous about him this year. (That and I don't trust coaching trees.)
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I completely agree. It's why I didn't want Bieniemy last year and am nervous about him this year. (That and I don't trust coaching trees.)
If you don't trust coaching trees, where are you looking to hire a coach from?
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I dont want a guy who has been an oc for 1.5 seasons.
This guy is still learning how to manage one aspect of the field
It's been a damn impressive 1.5 years in Tennessee and frankly, he's doing it without a lot of high talent guys. You look at the Chiefs and see there is just so much talent on that offense, it would be hard NOT to be successful. Can Bieniemy lift the level of talent on the Jets offense to be successful? At least with Smith he is getting a lot out of guys that people either thought didn't have it or aren't top notch pieces. Obviously he still has some great players on that offense, and it's not devoid of talent, but he has that group humming without anyone looking at that group and saying "that's a top 3-4 offense based on talent alone"
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Imagine what an offensive genius like Gase could do with the Chiefs' roster.
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It's been a damn impressive 1.5 years in Tennessee and frankly, he's doing it without a lot of high talent guys. You look at the Chiefs and see there is just so much talent on that offense, it would be hard NOT to be successful. Can Bieniemy lift the level of talent on the Jets offense to be successful? At least with Smith he is getting a lot out of guys that people either thought didn't have it or aren't top notch pieces. Obviously he still has some great players on that offense, and it's not devoid of talent, but he has that group humming without anyone looking at that group and saying "that's a top 3-4 offense based on talent alone"
Tennessee’s offense is very talented. They have a very solid OL, one of the best backs in the NFL and two 1st round picks at WR. That’s a hell of a lot more than the Jets have even when completely healthy.
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If you don't trust coaching trees, where are you looking to hire a coach from?
I trust records more than pedigrees. Someone who has only been an NFL OC under a head coach who is a bona fide offensive genius like Andy Reid? No thanks. Bieniemy might very well turn out to be a great coach but he can go prove it somewhere else, for me. I want a head coach who has already been round the block and knows what he's doing, and knows how to surround himself with great coaching talent. I want a veteran who has proven he knows how to win as a head coach, not someone who has ridden someone else's coat tails to victory.
I'm willing to listen to arguments for proven college head coaches with a long history of success. I don't want another NFL OC proving the Peter Principle once more.
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I trust records more than pedigrees. Someone who has only been an NFL OC under a head coach who is a bona fide offensive genius like Andy Reid? No thanks. Bieniemy might very well turn out to be a great coach but he can go prove it somewhere else, for me. I want a head coach who has already been round the block and knows what he's doing, and knows how to surround himself with great coaching talent. I want a veteran who has proven he knows how to win as a head coach, not someone who has ridden someone else's coat tails to victory.
I'm willing to listen to arguments for proven college head coaches with a long history of success. I don't want another NFL OC proving the Peter Principle once more.
So who do you want that fits your criteria?
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So who do you want that fits your criteria?
I'm guessing his list has basically the following guys on it
P.J. Fleck
Lincoln Riley
Jim Harbaugh
Bill Cowher
Dan Quinn (Assuming he gets fired this year)
Some good names for sure, but I can't imagine any of them are coaching the Jets next year, aside from possibly Fleck, who I am not sure how excited I would be about that hire.
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So who do you want that fits your criteria?
I feel like anyone who doesn't yet know my preferred HC candidates hasn't been paying much attention.
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Is Matt Campbell still a thing
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pass on harbaugh, he's done nothing to deserve a team since he left the niners
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Is Matt Campbell still a thing
no
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I feel like anyone who doesn't yet know my preferred HC candidates hasn't been paying much attention.
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I think it’s a terrible idea to hire Kubiak given the medical issues he has experienced
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pass on harbaugh, he's done nothing to deserve a team since he left the niners
That's fair, but he's still a QB guru in my mind. He's done his emotional journey with Michigan now, time to get back to business.
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I think it’s a terrible idea to hire Kubiak given the medical issues he has experienced
Right, because being an OC is devoid of stress but being one level up is literally death?
That's his decision, not yours. If Kubiak thinks he's healthy enough to be a head coach again, he's my #1 choice.
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I like Harbs a lot-I don't get the feeling he's leaving Michigan, and he turned us down last time. He's the best retread of the bunch that's been mentioned.
Plz no to Dan Quinn or Bill O'Brien as two guys I could see getting let go and names bandied about. freak no to either.
Kubiak is a likely non-candidate due to his health issues and the way in which a very close friend of his (Dennison) had beef with the organization for his one year here. If Gary Kubiak wants to be a head coach again, he'll have numerous opportunities.
Dennis Allen had absolutely zero shot to succeed in his first NFL job and has done well in New Orleans since, but with any defensive coach its going to be bigly o-coordinator dependent.
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I feel like anyone who doesn't yet know my preferred HC candidates hasn't been paying much attention.
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Kubiak's offense in Minny stinks
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I trust records more than pedigrees. Someone who has only been an NFL OC under a head coach who is a bona fide offensive genius like Andy Reid? No thanks. Bieniemy might very well turn out to be a great coach but he can go prove it somewhere else, for me. I want a head coach who has already been round the block and knows what he's doing, and knows how to surround himself with great coaching talent. I want a veteran who has proven he knows how to win as a head coach, not someone who has ridden someone else's coat tails to victory.
I'm willing to listen to arguments for proven college head coaches with a long history of success. I don't want another NFL OC proving the Peter Principle once more.
If a coach fits that, why would he be available unless he's a college coach?
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If we're gonna hire a retread OC, i'd rather go with Norval Turner over Kubiak.
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I was listening to SiriusXM and things are so bad in Atlanta, that another loss could cost Quinn his job on Monday.
Yet, our ownership is content with this clown that is putting out a non-competitive product.
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I was listening to SiriusXM and things are so bad in Atlanta, that another loss could cost Quinn his job on Monday.
Yet, our ownership is content with this clown that is putting out a non-competitive product.
CJ is probably waiting for Quinn to get fired so he can hire him...fuuuuuuck
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quinn is a brilliant offensive mind
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freak it, let's hire Mike Leach and run the air raid.
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freak it, let's hire Mike Leach and run the air raid.
Press conferences would be entertaining
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Press conferences would be entertaining
CJK5H, any further questions?
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freak it, let's hire Mike Leach and run the air raid.
I seriously entertained the thought yesterday. Couldn’t be worse than this. Actually, nobody better to make a bunch of nobodies perform 😅. Seriously speaking, how would it translate to the NFL? Kingsbury is not doing half bad so far...
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CJ is probably waiting for Quinn to get fired so he can hire him...fuuuuuuck
Why settle for Quinn when we can wait another few hours and get Matt Patricia?
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Why settle for Quinn when we can wait another few hours and get Matt Patricia?
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Mort just said Adam Gase is being looked at internally by the higher ups this week after they’ve been hearing all the noise from outside...Chris Johnson finally is listening #Jets
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What did he mean being looked at? As in they haven't been evaluating him until now?
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What did he mean being looked at? As in they haven't been evaluating him until now?
Checks out with what Chris Johnson has said about Maccagnan after the fact
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Checks out with what Chris Johnson has said about Maccagnan after the fact
That's...yeah that tracks.
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I created the game thread for this afternoon....ensuring a Gase termination.
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I don't care where this coach comes from. Every argument people make can easily be refuted.
If you want a guy with previous HC experience, that means he likely got fired for not doing a good job.
If you want a college coach, how do we know he'll translate?
If we want a great offensive coordinator, how do we know how he'll translate?
If we want a guy who coached under Andy Reid only, how do we know he isn't just riding Reid's coattails?
If we want a guy who coached under worse coaches, how do we know they're any good?
Every candidate has risks. Even the two that fit in JE's magical formula, Kubiak isn't running a good offense now and he has had health issues in the past that have caused him to quit jobs in the past. And Harbaugh hasn't done a great job in college and only won with an NFL team that was absolutely loaded with talent, and he's a bit of a nutjob.
I want a head coach who:
- Can hire a good staff
- Has some sort of offensive background or at the very least embraces offense
- Understands analytics and coaches aggressively
- Is good working with people, whether that's players, coaches or media
- Hasn't proven to be incompetent at a previous job
I don't know who fits my list. Just because you're a great offensive mind doesn't mean you are a great head coach.
I would lean towards some of the college coaches personally, but I have no idea how well they will translate.
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I created the game thread for this afternoon....ensuring a Gase termination.
There is no chance he gets fired tonight/monday. Not with a Thursday game this week.
But if we get smacked today, then it really can be fire Gase watch all week.
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There is no chance he gets fired tonight/monday. Not with a Thursday game this week.
But if we get smacked today, then it really can be fire Gase watch all week.
We would have to get smacked today and on Thursday.
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I don't care where this coach comes from. Every argument people make can easily be refuted.
If you want a guy with previous HC experience, that means he likely got fired for not doing a good job.
If you want a college coach, how do we know he'll translate?
If we want a great offensive coordinator, how do we know how he'll translate?
If we want a guy who coached under Andy Reid only, how do we know he isn't just riding Reid's coattails?
If we want a guy who coached under worse coaches, how do we know they're any good?
Every candidate has risks. Even the two that fit in JE's magical formula, Kubiak isn't running a good offense now and he has had health issues in the past that have caused him to quit jobs in the past. And Harbaugh hasn't done a great job in college and only won with an NFL team that was absolutely loaded with talent, and he's a bit of a nutjob.
I want a head coach who:
- Can hire a good staff
- Has some sort of offensive background or at the very least embraces offense
- Understands analytics and coaches aggressively
- Is good working with people, whether that's players, coaches or media
- Hasn't proven to be incompetent at a previous job
I don't know who fits my list. Just because you're a great offensive mind doesn't mean you are a great head coach.
I would lean towards some of the college coaches personally, but I have no idea how well they will translate.
I want a guy that gives us hope. I just don't want to be devastated by a hire again like I was with Bowles and Gase.
With Gase everybody was basically saying anybody but Gase... with Bowles, I was pissed because we wanted Quinn, but decided we didn't want to wait, so we hired an inferior candidate and KNEW we were doing it. I am almost positive it came out that Quinn was our top choice, but Bowles did enough in his interview to convince us we could be the guy
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I was fine with Bowles. I thought Bowles was a good hire.
I hated the Gase hire like everyone else. I convinced myself there were positive attributes to his hire and gave him a chance. Some would argue even 18 games isn't enough either but he hasn't given any reason to have faith in him.
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I was fine with Bowles. I thought Bowles was a good hire.
I hated the Gase hire like everyone else. I convinced myself there were positive attributes to his hire and gave him a chance. Some would argue even 18 games isn't enough either but he hasn't given any reason to have faith in him.
Bowles wasn't a good hire.
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Bowles wasn't a good hire.
SBTG
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SBTG
Which turd smells worse.....is basically what we're measuring between Gase and Bowles.
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Which turd smells worse.....is basically what we're measuring between Gase and Bowles.
At least Bowles gave us the customary honeymoon year.
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Bowles had been a highly touted assistant for years with actual successful coaches like Bruce Arians and Bill Parcells vouching for him. He also had been an interim coach at one point so he got his feet wet with HC jobs.
Gase was a highly touted OC but almost all of that was for his work with Manning, and he was a mediocre head coach when he got his chance at Miami.
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At the current injury rate, we may not be able to field a team in a few weeks.
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McDonald and Hughes saying Gase is as angry/down as they've ever seen him
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McDonald and Hughes saying Gase is as angry/down as they've ever seen him
It's hard to have to stare your own limitations in the face and realise that they're going to prevent you from ever becoming the person you thought you were going to be, but it's an important growing exercise. He's young enough to change careers and find something at which he has a degree of talent. Good for him for giving it the old college try, but it's time to accept reality.
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That clown actually has all the players taking all the blame for not executing in their postgames
And again he flat out called out poor execution as the problem when he spoke in his postgame
Zero accountability, zero skill at his job #FireGase
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Hire Schotty
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All of the Facebook Jet Fan savants are saying we should hire Beenemy
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Hire Schotty
we don't need Time to be a flat circle here....no thanks
All of the Facebook Jet Fan savants are saying we should hire Beenemy
I'm good with Bieniemy
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Whatever turd we hire, I'll convince myself we are geniuses until they finish 6-10 for 3 years.
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Whatever turd we hire, I'll convince myself we are geniuses until they finish 6-10 for 3 years.
I'd like to hire an Arbys Beef n cheddar to be our next OC
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I'd like to hire an Arbys Beef n cheddar to be our next OC
8-8
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8-8
Adding horsey sauce puts us at 10-6.
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I'd like to hire an Arbys Beef n cheddar to be our next OC
I could totally slam down 3 arby sandwiches right now.
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Adding horsey sauce puts us at 10-6.
Coach Hope Solo- 12-4
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I could totally slam down 3 arby sandwiches right now.
we're on the same page, young bull.
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Y’all aren’t gonna make it through the next coaching regime change if you keep poisoning yourselves with that toxic grade Q meat
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McDonald and Hughes saying Gase is as angry/down as they've ever seen him
Good
I've been angry the moment we hired him.
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Y’all aren’t gonna make it through the next coaching regime change if you keep poisoning yourselves with that toxic grade Q meat
shut up and take a bite
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When Mike Zimmer gets fired I want him as our DC
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For all of you EB fans...
Aside from KC the only other time he was an offensive coordinator was at colorado
Record: 4-21
Pointd: 18.8pg (2011 17.8 ranked 120 out of 128 teams)
Offensive Penalties: 7pg
Offensive turnovers: 2.2pg
Talent that made it to the NFL: David Baktiari, Paul Richardson
I'll pass
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I don't want an assistant that doesn't call plays. I also don't want a retread.
If we're trying to make a splash, we need to throw everything at Joe Brady.
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I don't want an assistant that doesn't call plays. I also don't want a retread.
If we're trying to make a splash, we need to throw everything at Joe Brady.
Do you want him to call plays as a head coach?
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I thought Bieniemy had been the play caller for the last two seasons.
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What about Dave Toub?
Dude has lead great special teams units on 4 different teams for over 20 years.
Bring in a young up and coming oc and a veteran dc
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A new coach will likely want a fresh slate at QB
Likely, not definitely.
We hire a coach before we draft.
Do we have a new coach before Joe Douglas has to exercise Sam’s 5th year option?
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Sam is at a crossroads. We will have a high draft pick to draft his replacement if we want, we are going to have a new coach, and we need to make a contract decision.
Granted, if Darnold actually is good, perhaps a new coach will see that and want to work with him.
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A new coach will likely want a fresh slate at QB
Likely, not definitely.
We hire a coach before we draft.
Do we have a new coach before Joe Douglas has to exercise Sam’s 5th year option?
Yeah we will. 5th year options aren’t take. Until around the draft, possibly a little after. If we don’t have a new coach by then.... I’m not sure we will ever have one
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Heard Gary Myers on the FAN talking about possible replacements for Gase...
He said one possibility is Sean Payton. Here's his comments:
- If Brees retires after this season, he will want out. Done all he can in NO
- will require us to make a trade with NO since he's under contract
- will have to give him Parcells like control and lots of money
- #1 overall pick could be appealing
- liked his time in NY/NJ with Giants
I'd take Payton immediately...Joe D can be his bitch or we can buy him out and he can GTFO
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Heard Gary Myers on the FAN talking about possible replacements for Gase...
He said one possibility is Sean Payton. Here's his comments:
- If Brees retires after this season, he will want out. Done all he can in NO
- will require us to make a trade with NO since he's under contract
- will have to give him Parcells like control and lots of money
- #1 overall pick could be appealing
- liked his time in NY/NJ with Giants
I'd take Payton immediately...Joe D can be his bitch or we can buy him out and he can GTFO
No one ever accused Gary of being a brain surgeon.
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Doesn't Payton have a reputation of being a bit of a queynte? Not that I particularly care if he's a successful queynte, mind.
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Doesn't Payton have a reputation of being a bit of a queynte? Not that I particularly care if he's a successful queynte, mind.
I have zero faith in the Johnson's being able to attract someone from an already successful situation.
IMHO it's more likely we land Lawrence, and the Saints get Darnold at a bargain price.
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Heard Gary Myers on the FAN talking about possible replacements for Gase...
He said one possibility is Sean Payton. Here's his comments:
- If Brees retires after this season, he will want out. Done all he can in NO
- will require us to make a trade with NO since he's under contract
- will have to give him Parcells like control and lots of money
- #1 overall pick could be appealing
- liked his time in NY/NJ with Giants
I'd take Payton immediately...Joe D can be his bitch or we can buy him out and he can GTFO
Joe Douglas would never give full control to a head coach
(The Johnsons wouldn't either)
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Why in the name of God would Sean Payton leave an absolutely stacked team that's just missing a quarterback to coach this dumpster fire?
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Why in the name of God would Sean Payton leave an absolutely stacked team that's just missing a quarterback to coach this dumpster fire?
Because Gary Myers said it on the radio
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I hate the idea of giving any coach total control. How many times has that actually worked in NFL history? I feel like there are way more Mike Holmgren and Bill O’Brien situations than actual ones where it works.
If Payton wants out so badly, there will likely be a more attractive job to him anyways. I can’t imagine the guy wants to rebuild an organization
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If Trevor Lawrence can be the Jets quarterback, our job all of a sudden becomes very attractive.
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If Trevor Lawrence can be the Jets quarterback, our job all of a sudden becomes very attractive.
If Sam Darnold landed us Adam Gase, no reason Lawrence won’t be enough to bring in Bill O’Brien
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If Sam Darnold landed us Adam Gase, no reason Lawrence won’t be enough to bring in Bill O’Brien
Or Matt Patricia
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If Sam Darnold landed us Adam Gase, no reason Lawrence won’t be enough to bring in Bill O’Brien
Trevor Lawrence is a significantly better prospect than Sam Darnold was.
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Trevor Lawrence is a significantly better prospect than Sam Darnold was.
Bill O’Brien is a significantly better coach than Adam Gase.
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It's hard to imagine the Jets hiring Bill O'Brien, but it was also hard to imagine the Jets hiring Adam Gase. Fan interest in the team would continue to tank if BoB were hired.
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It's hard to imagine the Jets hiring Bill O'Brien, but it was also hard to imagine the Jets hiring Adam Gase. Fan interest in the team would continue to tank if BoB were hired.
I would consider going back to Charlie Casserly first before letting the Johnson’s make the pick unassisted if they thought Gase was a good decision
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It's hard to imagine the Jets hiring Bill O'Brien, but it was also hard to imagine the Jets hiring Adam Gase. Fan interest in the team would continue to tank if BoB were hired.
SBTG
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If Sam Darnold landed us Adam Gase, no reason Lawrence won’t be enough to bring in Bill O’Brien
I hate you right now
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Joe Douglas would never give full control to a head coach
(The Johnsons wouldn't either)
The scenario would have Joe D reporting to Payton or GTFO
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Why in the name of God would Sean Payton leave an absolutely stacked team that's just missing a quarterback to coach this dumpster fire?
Purely speculative...but Leon Hess lured Parcells here. Not impossible
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Purely speculative...but Leon Hess lured Parcells here. Not impossible
Parcells was REALLY pissed off at Kraft. Is Payton at all having issues with the Bensons?
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Parcells was REALLY pissed off at Kraft. Is Payton at all having issues with the Bensons?
No clue. There were rumors that Payton wanted out and was rumored to be linked to the SD job last year prior to signing his extension.
Will this happen? Probably not. But it's more entertaining to have conversations about the future than wallowing in misery, bashing the clown coaching our team 24/7.
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But it's more entertaining to have conversations about the future than wallowing in misery, bashing the clown coaching our team 24/7.
I don't know if you were around in 96, but most of that year became a hopeful time, thinking that we had hit bottom, might get Parcells and the #1 pick. It was past debating about Kotite, he was a goner. I feel it going that way now, obviously there isn't a Parcells out there and we don't have Leon Hess anymore.
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My current HC candidate power rankings:
- Joe Brady
- Brian Daboll
- Eric Bieniemy
- Nick Sirianni
- PJ Fleck
- Robert Saleh
- Keith Butler
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I think I've finally had the sunshiner beaten out of me by this team. Until we get 9 wins, I'm just going to assume the worst. Anyone we hire will have some fatal flaw that ends up being the reason they get fired after 2-3 mediocre seasons. We should just hire a big titty hot chick as coach. At least we'd have something good to look at while we win 2 games.
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I think I've finally had the sunshiner beaten out of me by this team. Until we get 9 wins, I'm just going to assume the worst. Anyone we hire will have some fatal flaw that ends up being the reason they get fired after 2-3 mediocre seasons. We should just hire a big titty hot chick as coach. At least we'd have something good to look at while we win 2 games.
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I don't know if you were around in 96, but most of that year became a hopeful time, thinking that we had hit bottom, might get Parcells and the #1 pick. It was past debating about Kotite, he was a goner. I feel it going that way now, obviously there isn't a Parcells out there and we don't have Leon Hess anymore.
Remember it well. Even though the immeadiate future was lost there was general feeling among the fans that was akin to tuning out the present incumbents in leiu of a bright future over the horizon. Hess was also at that stage of his life where he knew that it was now or never.
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Based strictly on experience, and in no particular order I like the following candidates
Dave Toub - Dude has had amazing special teams units on multiple teams over multiple years - has been considered as a HC before
Todd Monken - HC experience at the college level, OC experience in the NFL (I think the Browns situation was kitchens fault)
Arthur Smith - Experience fixing a Gase freak up
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Todd Monken is not a good coach.
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Joe Brady or Arthur Smith
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My current HC candidate power rankings:
- Joe Brady
- Brian Daboll
- Eric Bieniemy
- Nick Sirianni
- PJ Fleck
- Robert Saleh
- Keith Butler
Just be prepared for another underwhelming hire...you'll start seeing names like: Dowell Loggains, John Fox, Bill O'Brien, Lovie Smith, Pat Shurmur and the list of retreads go on and on
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Joe Brady or Arthur Smith
https://twitter.com/fourverts/status/1312997469370937351?s=21
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Just be prepared for another underwhelming hire...you'll start seeing names like: Dowell Loggains, John Fox, Bill O'Brien, Lovie Smith, Pat Shurmur and the list of retreads go on and on
We don’t know Dowell Loggains would truly be a failure as a HC until we try
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We don’t know Dowell Loggains would truly be a failure as a HC until we try
He's already a failure as a human
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Hess was also at that stage of his life where he knew that it was now or never.
It's a shame Hess waited until the last five years of his life to give a excrement about the Jets, considering he was the owner. Once he got involved he was a total badass, ended up getting Parcells, Belichick, the whole coaching staff, Kraft's lunch and keeping the #1 overall pick.
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It's a shame Hess waited until the last five years of his life to give a excrement about the Jets, considering he was the owner. Once he got involved he was a total badass, ended up getting Parcells, Belichick, the whole coaching staff, Kraft's lunch and keeping the #1 overall pick.
Too bad the Johnson's don't give a excrement at all
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Too bad the Johnson's don't give a excrement at all
Oh, they care. They're just football retarded.
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Oh, they care. They're just football retarded.
Yeah, they seem to care and spend the money, they're not football guys. The people they hire and listen to regarding who to hire haven't been good. Rex was the last competent football guy they had who was loyal to the Jets and not just a consultant or whatever.
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Maybe we can lure Lincoln Riley in now that Oklahoma has started playing like Oklahoma again
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Maybe we can lure Lincoln Riley in now that Oklahoma has started playing like Oklahoma again
Heard through the grapevine that Riley isn't going anywhere unless it's the Dallas Cowboys.
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Heard through the grapevine that Riley isn't going anywhere unless it's the Dallas Cowboys.
They can have him
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Bill O’Brien
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1313236300644917249?s=21
It begins.
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1313236300644917249?s=21
It begins.
Conner Hughes should delete his career.
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Conner Hughes should delete his career.
Technically he did when he joined The Athletic
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It’s one game and he’s missing two studs on the line, but that Dolphins game is one Saleh is going to want to bury when the interviews come.
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Maybe we can lure Lincoln Riley in now that Oklahoma has started playing like Oklahoma again
What about your boi Kris Richard....maybe he gets his chance this year
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PFN Insider @TonyPauline is hearing that Adam Gase is in danger of losing the Jets' locker room and could be fired sooner than later.
How soon? Pauline thinks that it may be as early as the beginning of November.
...
“In the short-term, I think it’s going to be sooner rather than later for Adam Gase [to be fired], from what I’m hearing. Sooner doesn’t mean in a week; sooner means, as far as I’m concerned, probably by the beginning of November. I’m told he’s starting to lose the locker room. There are a lot of players that are turned off and tuning him out… I think we’re at a point in time where Gase is only being kept around because Christopher Johnson, who hired Gase, has to save some face.”
“It’s going to be sooner rather than later. Unless somehow they win the next four or five games, which isn’t going to happen, I’ll be surprised, if by the end of the first week of November, Gase is still the head coach of the New York Jets.”
Tony Pauline doesn’t miss
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Tony Pauline doesn’t miss
Dammit.....Pauline also tells time by looking at the sun. Gase extension coming.....
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"The official NFL football will probably be brown next year"
TP
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November is too long
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Players know that Gase is a dead man walking. They know what the deal is. And if they don't, they have a friend or family member who does.
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Why November? That's such an arbitrary and ridiculous time frame. 2 more losses in exactly the same way we have been losing will be enough? that's just absurd.
If this is a real thing, sit every young guy for 2 weeks lets lose 50-0 both games fire Gase and see what the freak all the youth can do with new leadership
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https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1316823091700543490?s=09 (https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1316823091700543490?s=09)
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Did Loggains just take more responsibility in that 70 seconds than Gase has taken in his tenure as coach?
And Loggains didn't even take that much responsibility
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https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1316823091700543490?s=09 (https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1316823091700543490?s=09)
I thought that was Patton Oswalt for a second.
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I thought that was Patton Oswalt for a second.
Ayyyyyy this guy
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I thought that was Patton Oswalt for a second.
Hey hey...bout time you showed up, bro. Welcome aboard!
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I thought that was Patton Oswalt for a second.
Who dis
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Who dis
Herman Cain
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Hey hey...bout time you showed up, bro. Welcome aboard!
Thanks! Yea, it took me a little bit.
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November is too long
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Herman Cain
9-9-9
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https://twitter.com/mikemiracles/status/1317974690133118976?s=21
Follow this thread
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https://twitter.com/mikemiracles/status/1317974690133118976?s=21
Follow this thread
Vrabel has definitely been the best coach in the league this season. I think the job that Brian Flores is doing in Miami is great too.
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Bringing this thread back around....
Assume Gase is gone. You have ONE pick as new HC. Who is it? Not "one of these guys" or some other generic answer.
I'll take a shot on Joe Brady. Can't say I know a lot about him, but I can't really see anyone else that seems interesting to me. Then again, Matt Rhule will probably steer him elsewhere.
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Bienemy
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Bringing this thread back around....
Assume Gase is gone. You have ONE pick as new HC. Who is it? Not "one of these guys" or some other generic answer.
I'll take a shot on Joe Brady. Can't say I know a lot about him, but I can't really see anyone else that seems interesting to me. Then again, Matt Rhule will probably steer him elsewhere.
I'll give you 5 in random order
-Arthur Smith
-Brian Daboll
-Sean Payton
-Matt Campbell
-Joe Brady
Hon. mention: Eric Bieniemy
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Arthur Smith
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Arthur Smith
he can bring Jonnu Smith with him
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I'll give you 5 in random order
-Arthur Smith
-Brian Daboll
-Sean Payton
-Matt Campbell
-Joe Brady
Hon. mention: Eric Bieniemy
Dick
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Bringing this thread back around....
Assume Gase is gone. You have ONE pick as new HC. Who is it? Not "one of these guys" or some other generic answer.
I'll take a shot on Joe Brady. Can't say I know a lot about him, but I can't really see anyone else that seems interesting to me. Then again, Matt Rhule will probably steer him elsewhere.
Jim Harbaugh
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I would rather watch Rex talk to his wife's toes right now than have Gase.
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Bringing this thread back around....
Assume Gase is gone. You have ONE pick as new HC. Who is it? Not "one of these guys" or some other generic answer.
Gun to my head, picking one today...
Matt Campbell.
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Bieniemy
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Bieniemy
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Does Bieniemy get to bring Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce with him?
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Who is Arthur Smith bringing?
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Who is Arthur Smith bringing?
Arthur Smith have full control over his offense. He isn't just a coffee fetcher for Andy Reid.
For all the excrement you guys give Adam Gase about Ryan Tannehill, he certainly looks good with Smith calling the plays.
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Who is Arthur Smith bringing?
Ryan Tannehill isn't Patrick Mahomes gtfo
I'll go Lincoln Riley, but a lot of these coaches are intriguing. Including Bienemy.
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Joe Brady is the one that I want. I wouldn't be excited about Matt Campbell.
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Ryan Tannehill isn't Patrick Mahomes gtfo
I don’t know why you think this answers my question.
If Sunshine happens to be the next coming of freaking football Jesus wouldn’t the CS makeup be just as negligible as it would be for the Chiefs?
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Lincoln Riley has the advantage of a track record of developing young quarterbacks, but no NFL experience.
Arthur Smith looks to be a good playcaller at this level, but hasn't ever been a head coach at any level or developed a young QB.
Eric Bieniemy has worked with a young QB and for an offensive genius, but we don't know how much is him and how much is Andy Reid.
Joe Brady doesn't tick any of those boxes yet.
Please, for the love of all that's freaking holy and right, can we get someone who has actually demonstrated an ability to do what we need them to do at the level we need them to do it?
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Bill O'Brien coaching this team and yalls know it
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You guys can forget about Lincoln Riley, he's not leaving Oklahoma.
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Lincoln Riley has taken transfer QBs (Murray, Mayfield, and Hurts), placed them into his system, and done well. He does not "develop" quarterbacks.
Spencer Rattler was Lincoln Riley's handpicked recruit and he has not been great (yet).
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I want Arthur Smith if we keep Darnold. Maybe he can "un-gase" him.
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newer/youngish offensive minds have been the flavor of the month with regards to HC hires during recent times, and that's all well and good but i'd like us to seriously consider the candidate's leadership abilities as well. on top of everything else, he's got to be able to connect with the players and lead a locker room of men
like JE said, in this regard it would be nice to be able to bring somebody in that has actually shown success as a HC at the NFL level. the problem is it might be very hard to convince somebody like that to come to this team/franchise as currently constituted in terms of roster and reporting structure.
i like harbaugh, brady, smith (due in large part to his success in de-gase'ing tannehill, although this is just an n of 1) but can totally see the johnsons giving a shot to somebody like bieniemy. i wouldn't want us to be the franchise to take that sort of leap of faith but can see it happening
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newer/youngish offensive minds have been the flavor of the month with regards to HC hires during recent times, and that's all well and good but i'd like us to seriously consider the candidate's leadership abilities as well. on top of everything else, he's got to be able to connect with the players and lead a locker room of men
Crucially, given the way we're going we're going to be recruiting an entire new roster in the spring and so the new head coach has to be strong enough to impose a culture on it, to understand and be connected with every part of the locker room, and to be able to recruit free agents who he knows are going to reinforce his culture. I don't care if we draft the bastard offspring of Joe Montana and Peyton Manning to play QB next year, they aren't going to make a difference if the locker room isn't very quickly bought into the team direction and all pulling that way.
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Joe Brady's the one you're looking for if you want to build a culture and attract players. Not Jim Harbaugh.
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Crucially, given the way we're going we're going to be recruiting an entire new roster in the spring and so the new head coach has to be strong enough to impose a culture on it, to understand and be connected with every part of the locker room, and to be able to recruit free agents who he knows are going to reinforce his culture. I don't care if we draft the bastard offspring of Joe Montana and Peyton Manning to play QB next year, they aren't going to make a difference if the locker room isn't very quickly bought into the team direction and all pulling that way.
sounds like Matt Rhule
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sounds like Matt Rhule
Settle down on Matt Rhule
He could be an excellent hire, but we don't know that yet.
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Settle down on Matt Rhule
He could be an excellent hire, but we don't know that yet.
Apparently he relates to his players really well. Basically the opposite of Gase.
we should've hired him. I even like when he told Duff to freak off when they tried to push Todd Monkey on him.
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Apparently he relates to his players really well. Basically the opposite of Gase.
That's a great trait to have, but will it translate to consistent success? We don't know that.
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That's a great trait to have, but will be translate to consistent success? We don't know that.
going on a 3-1 run after losing your best player is a nice start.
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sounds like Matt Rhule
That ship has sailed, bro. Let it go.
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going on a 3-1 run after losing your best player is a nice start.
Joe Brady appears to be the X-Factor. Rhule deserves tons of credit for that hire, but he won't be an assistant for long.
LSU has fallen apart without him running the offense. Carolina could do the same.
Also, if you're gonna knock Gase and the Jets for winning against cupcakes at the end of last season, that's essentially what Carolina has done so far this season. They beat a winless Atlanta team, a bad Chargers team, and upset (if you can call it that) the Cardinals.
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That ship has sailed, bro. Let it go.
Dude...if Rhule's traits rub off on Joe Brady, think of the possibilities.
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Joe Brady appears to be the X-Factor. Rhule deserves tons of credit for that hire, but he won't be an assistant for long.
LSU has fallen apart without him running the offense. Carolina could do the same.
no argument here.
But you still have to give Rhule some credit. He did turn around 2 programs from absolute excrement.
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Joe Brady appears to be the X-Factor. Rhule deserves tons of credit for that hire, but he won't be an assistant for long.
LSU has fallen apart without him running the offense. Carolina could do the same.
I can think of something else that changed at LSU as well...
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no argument here.
But you still have to give Rhule some credit. He did turn around 2 programs from absolute excrement.
Rhule has done that at the college level. I think the relatability factor is more important at the college level because you're actively recruiting players all the time against 100 plus other schools.
We'll have to give Rhule three years with Carolina to see what he is as an NFL coach.
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Joe Brady appears to be the X-Factor. Rhule deserves tons of credit for that hire, but he won't be an assistant for long.
LSU has fallen apart without him running the offense. Carolina could do the same.
Also, if you're gonna knock Gase and the Jets for winning against cupcakes at the end of last season, that's essentially what Carolina has done so far this season. They beat a winless Atlanta team, a bad Chargers team, and upset (if you can call it that) the Cardinals.
The Chargers and Cardinals aren't bad teams.
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I can think of something else that changed at LSU as well...
They lost a quarterback that was not good at LSU until Joe Brady showed up.
JaMarr Chase not being there this year doesn't matter that much. They are not strong offensively.
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The Chargers and Cardinals aren't bad teams.
They aren't good either.
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Rhule has done that at the college level. I think the relatability factor is more important at the college level because you're actively recruiting players all the time against 100 plus other schools.
We'll have to give Rhule three years with Carolina to see what he is as an NFL coach.
I'm not crowning Rhule....but he was the better hire over Gase.
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They aren't good either.
Justin Herbert is going to sodomize us
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I'm not crowning Rhule....but he was the better hire over Gase.
At this point, Dowell Loggains would've been a better hire than Adam Gase
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At this point, Dowell Loggains would've been a better hire than Adam Gase
the next coaching hire will be our most important in my tenure as a fan. Sadly, my first instinct is that they'll freak it up somehow.
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Does Bieniemy get to bring Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce with him?
Maybe
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Bill O'Brien coaching this team and yalls know it
I'd be happier about hiring BOB in 2021 than I was about hiring Gase in 2019.
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we'll probably hire Tom Cable.
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I'd be happier about hiring BOB in 2021 than I was about hiring Gase in 2019.
Ugh... same.
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Lincoln Riley has the advantage of a track record of developing young quarterbacks, but no NFL experience.
Arthur Smith looks to be a good playcaller at this level, but hasn't ever been a head coach at any level or developed a young QB.
Eric Bieniemy has worked with a young QB and for an offensive genius, but we don't know how much is him and how much is Andy Reid.
Joe Brady doesn't tick any of those boxes yet.
Please, for the love of all that's freaking holy and right, can we get someone who has actually demonstrated an ability to do what we need them to do at the level we need them to do it?
This x1000 for me
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Quite frankly, I don't know which coaches are going to be the best hires or not.
- Lincoln Riley has a great system and has put QBs in the pros. I don't hold Rattler against him too much - he would be working with either Darnold or Lawrence. Does he translate to the NFL? No clue.
- Arthur Smith, Kellen Moore and Joe Brady seem like great offensive minds. Does that translate to HC? No clue.
- Jim Harbaugh had success in San Francisco, but that Super Bowl appearance was a while ago, and he's a weird dude.
- Eric Bienemy works under Andy Reid, which is usually a good coaching tree, and he helped develop Mahomes. But how much did he really do, and does he translate to being an HC? No clue.
- Matt Campbell has been successful in college and seems to be NFL-ready. No clue what he'd be as an HC though.
- Brian Daboll has coached under Belichick and Saban and is doing a good job in Buffalo. Does he translate to an HC? Who knows.
That doesn't even get into some of the defensive guys or Dave Toub.
There are guys I prefer over others, but I have no clue who translates to being an NFL HC and who doesn't. And neither do you. But I'll still debate about it for 3 months.
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Arthur Smith is the son of the guy who created FedEx, so maybe we'll be able to get a new owner by hiring Arthur Smith. That's why he should be at the top of everyone's list.
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the next coaching hire will be our most important in my tenure as a fan. Sadly, my first instinct is that they'll freak it up somehow.
You said that last time and we hired Adam Gase, objectively the worst candidate possible. At this rate we’d be lucky to get BOB.
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You said that last time and we hired Adam Gase, objectively the worst candidate possible. At this rate we’d be lucky to get BOB.
This.
With the current trajectory of hiring Bowles, then Gase, our next coach will probably be a goldfish.
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Chip Kelly here we come
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Every time I see BOB I just keep thinking that we”re about to hire a flat Earther.
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Quite frankly, I don't know which coaches are going to be the best hires or not.
- Lincoln Riley has a great system and has put QBs in the pros. I don't hold Rattler against him too much - he would be working with either Darnold or Lawrence. Does he translate to the NFL? No clue.
- Arthur Smith, Kellen Moore and Joe Brady seem like great offensive minds. Does that translate to HC? No clue.
- Jim Harbaugh had success in San Francisco, but that Super Bowl appearance was a while ago, and he's a weird dude.
- Eric Bienemy works under Andy Reid, which is usually a good coaching tree, and he helped develop Mahomes. But how much did he really do, and does he translate to being an HC? No clue.
- Matt Campbell has been successful in college and seems to be NFL-ready. No clue what he'd be as an HC though.
- Brian Daboll has coached under Belichick and Saban and is doing a good job in Buffalo. Does he translate to an HC? Who knows.
That doesn't even get into some of the defensive guys or Dave Toub.
There are guys I prefer over others, but I have no clue who translates to being an NFL HC and who doesn't. And neither do you. But I'll still debate about it for 3 months.
I forgot Campbell existed.
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You said that last time and we hired Adam Gase, objectively the worst candidate possible. At this rate we’d be lucky to get BOB.
We didn't have a the 1st pick overall last time
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We didn't have a the 1st pick overall last time
But we did have Sam Darnold who was a #3 pick and showed promise as a rookie
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Man, if we hired Kellen Moore, I'd become a Houston Texans fan
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Every time I see BOB I just keep thinking that we”re about to hire a flat Earther.
Every time I see BOB
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LOL
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I can’t claim to know what to do. I just seriously hope Douglas is seriously involved in the hiring process and that leadership and management skills are very important in that process.
If you want a shoot for the moon candidate, Joe Brady is the guy. It’s probably a year too early for him to be elevated to a HC. You have to be willing to accept the growing pains, but the offense is exciting and it would be very attractive to a lot of guys in the long term. But you definitely will have growing pains as a HC.
The pie in the sky candidates that I don’t think would leave college are Harbaugh and Riley.
Bienemy is the flavor of the month due to Mahomes success. But man is being Andy Reid’s guy enough to get him a job? I have no clue how good he is as a coach.
Arthur Smith is an excellent candidate. But if he doesn’t have an elite RB how successful is that system going to be? I think he’s a better candidate than Bienemy and is probably my top choice if we don’t get Lawrence.
Gun to head? Gun to head: Arthur Smith is our HC in 5 months. Guy that I’d be most excited about the potential though is unquestionably Joe Brady.
Dark horse candidate who we know is a hell of a leader and a damn good coach at his side of the ball: Robert Saleh out in San Francisco
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I can’t claim to know what to do. I just seriously hope Douglas is seriously involved in the hiring process and that leadership and management skills are very important in that process.
If you want a shoot for the moon candidate, Joe Brady is the guy. It’s probably a year too early for him to be elevated to a HC. You have to be willing to accept the growing pains, but the offense is exciting and it would be very attractive to a lot of guys in the long term. But you definitely will have growing pains as a HC.
The pie in the sky candidates that I don’t think would leave college are Harbaugh and Riley.
Bienemy is the flavor of the month due to Mahomes success. But man is being Andy Reid’s guy enough to get him a job? I have no clue how good he is as a coach.
Arthur Smith is an excellent candidate. But if he doesn’t have an elite RB how successful is that system going to be? I think he’s a better candidate than Bienemy and is probably my top choice if we don’t get Lawrence.
Gun to head? Gun to head: Arthur Smith is our HC in 5 months. Guy that I’d be most excited about the potential though is unquestionably Joe Brady.
Dark horse candidate who we know is a hell of a leader and a damn good coach at his side of the ball: Robert Saleh out in San Francisco
Why is that?
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Why is that?
presumably for the potential to de-gase darnold
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Quite frankly, I don't know which coaches are going to be the best hires or not.
- Lincoln Riley has a great system and has put QBs in the pros. I don't hold Rattler against him too much - he would be working with either Darnold or Lawrence. Does he translate to the NFL? No clue.
- Arthur Smith, Kellen Moore and Joe Brady seem like great offensive minds. Does that translate to HC? No clue.
- Jim Harbaugh had success in San Francisco, but that Super Bowl appearance was a while ago, and he's a weird dude.
- Eric Bienemy works under Andy Reid, which is usually a good coaching tree, and he helped develop Mahomes. But how much did he really do, and does he translate to being an HC? No clue.
- Matt Campbell has been successful in college and seems to be NFL-ready. No clue what he'd be as an HC though.
- Brian Daboll has coached under Belichick and Saban and is doing a good job in Buffalo. Does he translate to an HC? Who knows.
That doesn't even get into some of the defensive guys or Dave Toub.
There are guys I prefer over others, but I have no clue who translates to being an NFL HC and who doesn't. And neither do you. But I'll still debate about it for 3 months.
#ToubGod
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presumably for the potential to de-gase darnold
That would be it
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NFL Network's Jane Slater reports Cowboys players have begun forcefully criticizing the coaching staff after originally agreeing to "keep things internal."
“Totally unprepared," were the words of one player. "They don’t teach. They don’t have any sense of adjusting on the fly.” Another added “they just aren’t good at their jobs." Other than that, we hope things are going well. New coach Mike McCarthy sold an offseason narrative of coming into the 21st century and learning analytics, but none of the analytics in the world can make up for having Mike Nolan as your defensive coordinator. The Cowboys have allowed an astonishing 218 points through their first six games, which is tied for the fourth most in NFL history. Dak Prescott's season-ending ankle injury gives McCarthy an alibi, but this could turn into a one-and-done situation. It wouldn't be the first time with a retread. Of course, all of this ignores that the 2-4 Cowboys still sit atop the horrid NFC East.
SOURCE: Jane Slater on Twitter
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SBTG
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It seems like hiring a head coach who just got fired from their last head coaching job hasn't been the greatest move when that guy isn't named Andy Reid and you don't have an infinite amount of patience.
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McCarthy will be fine....I was told you can't fire a HC in his first year with the team (unless your name is Steve Wilks, to which i was told he doesn't count).
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McCarthy will be fine....I was told you can't fire a HC in his first year with the team (unless your name is Steve Wilks, to which i was told he doesn't count).
Or any of these other guys:
Chip Kelly, 49ers, 2016, 2-14
Jim Tomsula, 49ers, 2015, 5-11
Mike Mularkey, Jaguars, 2012, 2-14
Hue Jackson, Raiders, 2011, 8-8
Jim Mora, Seahawks, 2009, 4-12
Cam Cameron, Dolphins, 2007, 1-15
Art Shell, Raiders, 2006, 2-14
Marty Shottenheimer, Redskins, 2001, 8-8
Al Groh, Jets, 2000, 9-7
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McCarthy will be fine....I was told you can't fire a HC in his first year with the team (unless your name is Steve Wilks, to which i was told he doesn't count).
On the plus side, at least us hiring Gase instead of McCarthy means I didn't turn out to be proven hideously wrong.
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Or any of these other guys:
Chip Kelly, 49ers, 2016, 2-14
Jim Tomsula, 49ers, 2015, 5-11
Mike Mularkey, Jaguars, 2012, 2-14
Hue Jackson, Raiders, 2011, 8-8
Jim Mora, Seahawks, 2009, 4-12
Cam Cameron, Dolphins, 2007, 1-15
Art Shell, Raiders, 2006, 2-14
Marty Shottenheimer, Redskins, 2001, 8-8
Al Groh, Jets, 2000, 9-7
Groh wasn't fired, he left to go to Virginia. Four coaches in a row fired the Jets--Parcells, Bellichick, Groh and Herm.
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Groh wasn't fired, he left to go to Virginia. Four coaches in a row fired the Jets--Parcells, Bellichick, Groh and Herm.
At least with Herm it was kinda mutual by the end.
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Groh was done regardless. He completely lost the locker room by the end of that season.
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https://twitter.com/n12jamiestuart/status/1320768044029878273?s=21
#Gase2021
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https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/10/if-jets-fire-adam-gase-who-will-be-the-next-head-coach-6-possible-candidates-if-christopher-johnson-moves-on.html
To save you the click,
Eric Bienemy
Raheem Morris
Greg Roman
Brian Daboll
Jim Caldwell
Mike LaFleur
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https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/10/if-jets-fire-adam-gase-who-will-be-the-next-head-coach-6-possible-candidates-if-christopher-johnson-moves-on.html
To save you the click,
Eric Bienemy
Raheem Morris
Greg Roman
Brian Daboll
Jim Caldwell
Mike LaFleur
Arthur Smith over all of them.
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https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/10/if-jets-fire-adam-gase-who-will-be-the-next-head-coach-6-possible-candidates-if-christopher-johnson-moves-on.html
To save you the click,
Eric Bienemy
Raheem Morris
Greg Roman
Brian Daboll
Jim Caldwell
Mike LaFleur
Oh god it's going to be LaFleur isn't it. First he thought that Gase was going to be his Coughlin, now he's going to try and find his Shanahan.
As long as it's not Caldwell. I can't handle that.
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Oh god it's going to be LaFleur isn't it. First he thought that Gase was going to be his Coughlin, now he's going to try and find his Shanahan.
As long as it's not Caldwell. I can't handle that.
Relax, it'll be Gase again.
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Oh god it's going to be LaFleur isn't it. First he thought that Gase was going to be his Coughlin, now he's going to try and find his Shanahan.
As long as it's not Caldwell. I can't handle that.
If I had to rank these guys plus Smith,
Yes please:
Smith
Bienemy
Interested:
Daboll
LaFleur
Meh:
Roman
Morris
freak you:
Caldwell
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Greg Roman and Raheem Morris?
Jim Caldwell?
freak outta here
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https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/10/if-jets-fire-adam-gase-who-will-be-the-next-head-coach-6-possible-candidates-if-christopher-johnson-moves-on.html
To save you the click,
Eric Bienemy
Raheem Morris
Greg Roman
Brian Daboll
Jim Caldwell
Mike LaFleur
I would gladly take Caldwell iver all of those guys
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I would gladly take Caldwell iver all of those guys
freak you:
Caldwell
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I would gladly take Caldwell iver all of those guys
Username checks out
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Caldwell had health issues last year. I doubt we hire a 65-year old who has been out of the NFL 2 of the last 3 years to be our head coach.
I just want a leader and someone who can build a program. We need to start from scratch on both sides of the ball. I think a college coach could fit that mold since they're used to running both sides of the ball at least in some ways. I don't know who that guy is, but I hope we get lucky and find him.
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Raheem Morris? AYFKM
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Raheem Morris? AYFKM
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Caldwell had health issues last year. I doubt we hire a 65-year old who has been out of the NFL 2 of the last 3 years to be our head coach.
I just want a leader and someone who can build a program. We need to start from scratch on both sides of the ball. I think a college coach could fit that mold since they're used to running both sides of the ball at least in some ways. I don't know who that guy is, but I hope we get lucky and find him.
Health aside, Caldwell has the best track record. He is a leader.
Do you want to take a homerun swing when we're getting a generational prospect or do something with a low floor.
I'm not saying he's my top choice, but out of those candidates he definitely is.
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Health aside, Caldwell has the best track record. He is a leader.
Do you want to take a homerun swing when we're getting a generational prospect or do something with a low floor.
I'm not saying he's my top choice, but out of those candidates he definitely is.
Username checks out.
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If I had to rank these guys plus Smith,
Yes please:
Smith
Bienemy
Interested:
Daboll
LaFleur
Meh:
Roman
Morris
freak you:
Caldwell
I’d submit Joe Brady to this list and place him somewhere above Lafleur on your list.
freak Morris and Caldwell. For Christ’s sake Caldwell has had 2 shots and the Lions (the freaking Lions) saw fit to fire him after the best 3 season stretch in like 30 years because he wasn’t good enough. Morris is and always was trash.
I get why Smith, Daboll and Bienemy are top candidates, he’ll I get Roman as well. But I think Brady is going to be that next McVay. He’s got as much, if not more, potential than anyone else and if he is the guy you accept that 2021 is about him learning how to be the head guy while watching his offense start to establish itself (hopefully with Lawrence and a new plethora of playmakers). 2022 is the year to compete for the postseason
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Do you want to take a homerun swing when we're getting a generational prospect or do something with a low floor.
In this case low floor also = low ceiling.
And for me, yes I’m currently on the go for the Home Run Hire bandwagon. I don’t just want to make the playoffs once every five years, I want to try and win a freaking super bowl. Jim Caldwell will not do that for us.
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The head coach robot was fired from two teams despite a winning record at each. We're already complaining about Gase not connecting with the locker room and we're floating around an HC candidate who is notorious for not connecting with his teams. I don't see Jim Caldwell being able to turn the locker room around here and he has no record for developing younger prospects. Pass.
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The head coach robot was fired from two teams despite a winning record at each. We're already complaining about Gase not connecting with the locker room and we're floating around an HC candidate who is notorious for not connecting with his teams. I don't see Jim Caldwell being able to turn the locker room around here and he has no record for developing younger prospects. Pass.
Is that why he got fired? Felt like both places thought they had Super Bowl aspirations, and Caldwell was only bringing them to the playoffs. He probably got unfairly stereotyped a bit. Detroit fell off a cliff after firing him.
That said, I don't really want him and I'd rather get a Matt Campbell.
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In this case low floor also = low ceiling.
And for me, yes I’m currently on the go for the Home Run Hire bandwagon. I don’t just want to make the playoffs once every five years, I want to try and win a freaking super bowl. Jim Caldwell will not do that for us.
You know he's the only prospect with a sb ring as a headcoach. He's got two with two teams
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freak all of them.
No Coach 2021
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lol Jim Caldwell
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freak all of them.
No Coach 2021
Install dirt at MetLife, draw the plays up in the dirt. On the road just wing it. Get in the huddle and tell everyone "just get open."
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Joe Brady, Arthur Smith, or Ryan Day
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Health aside, Caldwell has the best track record. He is a leader.
Do you want to take a homerun swing when we're getting a generational prospect or do something with a low floor.
I'm not saying he's my top choice, but out of those candidates he definitely is.
Why not hire a generational offensive coach like Joe Brady?
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Why not hire a generational offensive coach like Joe Brady?
We're gonna get stuck with another shitty retread....like Jim Schwartz. #PrepareYourBums
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"Generational" is the new "elite."
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We're gonna get stuck with another shitty retread....like Jim Schwartz. #PrepareYourBums
Schwartz trying to fight Harbaugh for patting him on the back is still one of the funniest things I've seen in an NFL game
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Why not hire a generational offensive coach like Joe Brady?
This is where I am and i'm only going to get more excited about it all season and then it won't happen and I'll be annoyed by whoever we hire on day 1 and on day 2 I'll be convinced it was actually the better candidate and we are going to win 5 rings by 2030.
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Yeah I want Joe Brady. What he’s doing with Teddy Bridgewater and no McCaffery is incredible.
Rhule didn’t spend a single pick on offense in the 2020 draft.
Arthur Smith is a close 2nd for me right now.
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I don't know enough about any of these guys, I'll just parrot what y'all say.
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Arthur Smith has a weak chin.
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Joe Brady is younger than me thahsofnsvagbenfkfjdbsbckfuehsbs
Not dealing with this well
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Joe Brady is younger than me thahsofnsvagbenfkfjdbsbckfuehsbs
Not dealing with this well
#OldHead
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Why not hire a generational offensive coach like Joe Brady?
Because this organization hasn't had stability since Parcells.
I don't want to reach on a coach who is 12 years old and has 1 year of oc experience in the NFL even if it has been good.
This team needs leadership and consistency.
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Because this organization hasn't had stability since Parcells.
I don't want to reach on a coach who is 12 years old and has 1 year of oc experience in the NFL even if it has been good.
This team needs leadership and consistency.
who do you suggest? (no, not Jim Caldwell)
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who do you suggest? (no, not Jim Caldwell)
I'm not insanity, but I would suggest that Jim Harbaugh fits his requirements.
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Come on Jim Caldwell? I wouldn't let that guy walk my dog.
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I'm not insanity, but I would suggest that Jim Harbaugh fits his requirements.
Get off his dick already.
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Get off his dick already.
No. I want a head coach who is experienced, has NFL success on his resume, has worked with young QBs, and knows how to run an organization. The list of possible candidates is pretty short and Harbaugh is right at the top of it, IMO.
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who do you suggest? (no, not Jim Caldwell)
To be clear Jim Caldwell isn't my top choice, I'd definitely take Arthur Smith over him.
I don't have a true suggestion, I just have skills I'm looking for that would make me happy with a selection.
- Experience - Preferably as a head coach (I don't think the skills needed for an OC and HC are anything alike)
- Leadership
- Delegation
I'd prioritize the ability to do these things over someone who is an "offensive genius" to call plays. I don't think the HC should call plays, he should have his pulse on the team and the macro decisions in the game.
With that said if we're considering
- Eric Bienemy - Andy Reid's intern
- Greg Roman - An OC who has only had "success" with running quarterbacks
- Mike LaFleur - the younger brother of the packers coach
I'm going to take the 2x superbowl winning quarterback everytime.
I have mixed feelings about Daboll.
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I think Harbaugh is a little bit overrated. Sure, he's worked with young quarterbacks, but he hasn't developed a single quarterback at Michigan.
That said, I would take him in a heartbeat. Even though I hate him.
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No. I want a head coach who is experienced, has NFL success on his resume, has worked with young QBs, and knows how to run an organization. The list of possible candidates is pretty short and Harbaugh is right at the top of it, IMO.
You just described Brian Billick
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I think Harbaugh is a little bit overrated. Sure, he's worked with young quarterbacks, but he hasn't developed a single quarterback at Michigan.
That said, I would take him in a heartbeat. Even though I hate him.
He inherited Jake Rudock and did pretty well with him, then he got probably the most Speight had to offer. Patterson's the one you could argue he should have done more with, but the jury seems to be very split on whether Patterson was ever going to be that good.
Colin Kaepernick is a big tick mark in the plus column for him though, and you could argue that he rescued Alex Smith's career.
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You just described Brian Billick
Sure, except he hasn't coached for over a decade. I also described Bill Parcells and Vince Lombardi, but I don't think either of them are viable candidates either.
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I also described Bill Parcells and Vince Lombardi, but I don't think either of them are viable candidates either.
SBTG
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Sure, except he hasn't coached for over a decade. I also described Bill Parcells and Vince Lombardi, but I don't think either of them are viable candidates either.
Some of you boners want #oldheads to coach this team.....nothing is off the table.
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Because this organization hasn't had stability since Parcells.
I don't want to reach on a coach who is 12 years old and has 1 year of oc experience in the NFL even if it has been good.
This team needs leadership and consistency.
If this is what you're looking for, hope like hell the Vikings fire Zimmer even though I really don't think it'll happen unless they actually come in at under 3 wins. Ownership there loves him.
He's a defensive minded coach, and granted he doesn't have anywhere near the pedigree of Tuna, but I'll take a Parcells disciple who has that no bullshit DNA in him and has won in the league.
Especially if he's bringing his offensive coordinator with him.
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Because this organization hasn't had stability since Parcells.
I don't want to reach on a coach who is 12 years old and has 1 year of oc experience in the NFL even if it has been good.
This team needs leadership and consistency.
Hiring the 12 year olds has been a relatively successful move recently: McVay, LaFleur, Vrabel, Flores (maybe), Nagy (maybe) all seem to be good hires with minimal coordinator experience (McVay actually has the most of those with 3 years as OC). Zac Taylor is probably garbo but he got hired too early. Flores wasn't even a coordinator, technically, in the one year he called defensive plays. Judge and Stefanski the jury is out on, but Stefanski seems to be doing decently in Cleveland so far.
Meanwhile the "leadership and consistency" hire would have been either McCarthy - hard to argue Rhule was a steady presence before coming to the NFL although you could include him as an option. I say we get with the times and hire a 12 year old.
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Hiring the 12 year olds has been a relatively successful move recently: McVay, LaFleur, Vrabel, Flores (maybe), Nagy (maybe) all seem to be good hires with minimal coordinator experience (McVay actually has the most of those with 3 years as OC). Zac Taylor is probably garbo but he got hired too early. Flores wasn't even a coordinator, technically, in the one year he called defensive plays. Judge and Stefanski the jury is out on, but Stefanski seems to be doing decently in Cleveland so far.
Meanwhile the "leadership and consistency" hire would have been either McCarthy - hard to argue Rhule was a steady presence before coming to the NFL although you could include him as an option. I say we get with the times and hire a 12 year old.
Joe Brady it is
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If this is what you're looking for, hope like hell the Vikings fire Zimmer even though I really don't think it'll happen unless they actually come in at under 3 wins. Ownership there loves him.
He's a defensive minded coach, and granted he doesn't have anywhere near the pedigree of Tuna, but I'll take a Parcells disciple who has that no bullshit DNA in him and has won in the league.
Especially if he's bringing his offensive coordinator with him.
I actually said a few weeks ago I'd love to sign him as a DC especially if we go with an inexperienced coach
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Hiring the 12 year olds has been a relatively successful move recently: McVay, LaFleur, Vrabel, Flores (maybe), Nagy (maybe) all seem to be good hires with minimal coordinator experience (McVay actually has the most of those with 3 years as OC). Zac Taylor is probably garbo but he got hired too early. Flores wasn't even a coordinator, technically, in the one year he called defensive plays. Judge and Stefanski the jury is out on, but Stefanski seems to be doing decently in Cleveland so far.
Meanwhile the "leadership and consistency" hire would have been either McCarthy - hard to argue Rhule was a steady presence before coming to the NFL although you could include him as an option. I say we get with the times and hire a 12 year old.
this
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Nagy stinks (definitely)
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12 year old coach SZN
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12 year old coach SZN
I asked the scorekeeper to change the possession arrow during my first season coaching basketball (he didn't) and then he just kept yelling "who's son are you?!" at me.
I went full court press and ran up the score against that hick team. Did the same thing again the next season.
This story is relevant to the quoted post because I, in fact, looked like a 12 year at the time.
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I went full court press
It sounds strange hearing that term used in its proper context.
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Hiring the 12 year olds has been a relatively successful move recently: McVay, LaFleur, Vrabel, Flores (maybe), Nagy (maybe) all seem to be good hires with minimal coordinator experience (McVay actually has the most of those with 3 years as OC). Zac Taylor is probably garbo but he got hired too early. Flores wasn't even a coordinator, technically, in the one year he called defensive plays. Judge and Stefanski the jury is out on, but Stefanski seems to be doing decently in Cleveland so far.
Meanwhile the "leadership and consistency" hire would have been either McCarthy - hard to argue Rhule was a steady presence before coming to the NFL although you could include him as an option. I say we get with the times and hire a 12 year old.
Not sure i agree with this
Flores and Vrabel aren't 12 year olds, and the sample size of the post mcvays is too small. Remember we all thought Bowles was christ after season 1
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Not sure i agree with this
Flores and Vrabel aren't 12 year olds, and the sample size of the post mcvays is too small. Remember we all thought Bowles was christ after season 1
Brian Flores is younger than Kyle Shanahan and Kliff Kingsbury
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I asked the scorekeeper to change the possession arrow during my first season coaching basketball (he didn't) and then he just kept yelling "who's son are you?!" at me.
I went full court press and ran up the score against that hick team. Did the same thing again the next season.
This story is relevant to the quoted post because I, in fact, looked like a 12 year at the time.
That's awesome.
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Not sure i agree with this
Flores and Vrabel aren't 12 year olds, and the sample size of the post mcvays is too small. Remember we all thought Bowles was christ after season 1
The sample size is gonna be small for all of them. Point being it's commonplace now, and a lot of those guys are succeeding off the bat so it's really not such a bad idea.
Nagy stinks (definitely)
Yeah that one is a bigger question mark but the Bears are still doing decently not completely in spite of the offense. Not great but not awful.
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Yeah that one is a bigger question mark but the Bears are still doing decently not completely in spite of the offense. Not great but not awful.
Nick Foles shitting on his play-calling with the Monday Night Football guys was pretty funny
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I’ll never forget the Jets-Bears game from a couple years ago where the bears offense was gashing us despite Trubisky throwing every other ball into the dirt or out of bounds
aka the Deontay Burnett game
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I’ll never forget the Jets-Bears game from a couple years ago where the bears offense was gashing us despite Trubisky throwing every other ball into the dirt or out of bounds
aka the Deontay Burnett game
a Todd Bowles special
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https://twitter.com/jpafootball/status/1324407286513762305?s=21
There is a growing sense among NFL front offices that former NFL HC Jim Harbaugh would be open to leaving his job at Michigan to return back to the NFL level, per Pete Thamel.
Sign this crazy lover of the older lady
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No
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Why? It'll be such a change of pace after Gase
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He's a much better coach than Adam Gase, but that doesn't mean we should hire him. Christopher Johnson will be all over that though.
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I'd take Joe Gibbs' corpse over Gase right now.
Bring on Crazy Jim
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I can see a lot of reasons why Jim and the Jets would appeal to each other, and a lot of reasons why it would be a good idea. I think I've got Day as my #1 choice right now, but Harbaugh would probably be #2. He ticks all my boxes, and I'm not convinced that anyone would have turned Wilton Speight or Shea Patterson into Championship contenders.
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Joe Brady should be the #1 choice, but the Johnsons probably aren't ballsy enough to do it
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I can see a lot of reasons why Jim and the Jets would appeal to each other, and a lot of reasons why it would be a good idea. I think I've got Day as my #1 choice right now, but Harbaugh would probably be #2. He ticks all my boxes, and I'm not convinced that anyone would have turned Wilton Speight or Shea Patterson into Championship contenders.
Coaches like Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day won't leave their cushy college HC jobs.
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Joe Brady should be the #1 choice, but the Johnsons probably aren't ballsy enough to do it
After we fucked over Rhule, i could see him telling Brady to avoid us like the plague.
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After we fucked over Rhule, i could see him telling Brady to avoid us like the plague.
Also possible, but if we're the only team offering he might take it. Even with multiple offers, if we have the #1 pick + cap space it's still an attractive option to coach up Lawrence and build up his own team most likely.
Plus since he's never been an HC, he'd probably be more amenable to bringing in someone with experience if requested anyway.
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Also possible, but if we're the only team offering he might take it. Even with multiple offers, if we have the #1 pick + cap space it's still an attractive option to coach up Lawrence and build up his own team most likely.
Plus since he's never been an HC, he'd probably be more amenable to bringing in someone with experience if requested anyway.
I hope so. Brady is at the top of wishlist.
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I'm going to keep reminding people that Brady has 8 games total in his career as a co-ordinator. It seems like a ludicrously risky appointment.
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Coaches like Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day won't leave their cushy college HC jobs.
Ryan Day started in the NFL, so he likely wants to come back at some point.
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I'm going to keep reminding people that Brady has 8 games total in his career as a co-ordinator. It seems like a ludicrously risky appointment.
Brady is largely responsible for the greatest college football offense ever.
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Ryan Day started in the NFL, so he likely wants to come back at some point.
He's got one of the more swanky HC positions in college football. I don't think he's dying to come back any time soon.
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He's got one of the more swanky HC positions in college football. I don't think he's dying to come back any time soon.
Nothing in the Big 10 in swanky.
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I'm going to keep reminding people that Brady has 8 games total in his career as a co-ordinator. It seems like a ludicrously risky appointment.
Brian Flores had 1. LaFleur had 2. McVay had 3. This may as well be Brady's 2nd year as a coordinator with how he was responsible for LSU's offense last year as well, and the Panthers are playing way above their talent level.
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Nothing in the Big 10 in swanky.
Shaun Wade is.
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Shaun Wade is.
No, he's really not.
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Nothing in the Big 10 in swanky.
The only thing I can see keeping him there is that he lost the NC game a couple of years ago, and he might feel like he needs another crack at it before he leaves tOSU. I don't know who he has behind Fields though - maybe he should just do it this year and then jump.
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The only thing I can see keeping him there is that he lost the NC game a couple of years ago, and he might feel like he needs another crack at it before he leaves tOSU. I don't know who he has behind Fields though - maybe he should just do it this year and then jump.
He has a highly touted 5-star quarterback coming in next summer. CJ Sroud is probably who will take over when Fields leaves, and he should be a really good player for them at QB.
What may hold him back is the stability he has at Ohio State when it comes to family. I know he has young children, so he may want to stay put for a while.
Day has also never taken Ohio State to a national championship. They lost to Clemson in the CFB Semis last season.
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No, he's really not.
he's swankier than you
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Which Big 10 coach is the dankest?
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Which Big 10 coach is the dankest?
Lovie Smith
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Which Big 10 coach is the dankest?
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https://twitter.com/11W/status/1232305301447151617
Ryan Day’s deal is the largest overall in the league, totaling $54,375,000 over nine years. Day also is eligible for annual bonuses up to $725,000.
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https://twitter.com/11W/status/1232305301447151617
Ryan Day’s deal is the largest overall in the league, totaling $54,375,000 over nine years. Day also is eligible for annual bonuses up to $725,000.
LMAO please leave next season and get banned from the NCAA for the duration of this contract.
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Does anyone know if the Johnsons have communicated what they're planning on doing in the event Trump loses? Is Woody going to be in charge for the hiring process again? Because for better or for worse, he has a better record in making head coaching decisions than Chris does so far.
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Does anyone know if the Johnsons have communicated what they're planning on doing in the event Trump loses? Is Woody going to be in charge for the hiring process again? Because for better or for worse, he has a better record in making head coaching decisions than Chris does so far.
Pretty sure Woody will take back over in January 2021
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Pretty sure Woody will take back over in January 2021
Hopefully it's sooner (like December). Need to start dat coaching search.
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Does anyone know if the Johnsons have communicated what they're planning on doing in the event Trump loses? Is Woody going to be in charge for the hiring process again? Because for better or for worse, he has a better record in making head coaching decisions than Chris does so far.
Supposedly Woody was 1 and done no matter the election results. It was presumed that he would take back over the reins, but never confirmed.
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Sad state of affairs when we want Woody back.
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Woody? We don't.
Anything attached to the name Johnson? Another family name to take over the Jets???? ...super bowl #3?......long enough?....I'm on board....
That includes goof ball 45.
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Woody? We don't.
Anything attached to the name Johnson? Another family name to take over the Jets???? ...super bowl #3?......long enough?....I'm on board....
That includes goof ball 45.
The team would fold in 5 days.
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No matter which idiot brother is in charge, how about we fire Gase and let Joe Douglas hand-pick his own head coach who then reports directly to him. You know, like normal organizations do? I mean, it's a crazy idea, but who knows, it just might work.
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No matter which idiot brother is in charge, how about we fire Gase and let Joe Douglas hand-pick his own head coach who then reports directly to him. You know, like normal organizations do? I mean, it's a crazy idea, but who knows, it just might work.
we are the jets and we cannot/will not have this. the most you will get is the johnsons picking a guy and telling douglas they picked this guy before asking him what he thinks as he begrudgingly gives his own version of a 'yeah i guess that'll work' answer, and you will like it
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NFL Update
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NFL passed a resolution that would reward teams with two 3rd-round comp. picks if they develop a minority coach or executive who is hired as another team's HC or GM.
So, if KC OC Eric Bieniemy gets a HC job this offseason, the Chiefs would receive a 3rd-round pick in '21 & '22.
RIP Bieniemy
Nobody is gonna want to help out KC.
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RIP Bieniemy
Nobody is gonna want to help out KC.
If he's the best coaching option no one's going to care about comp picks. I quite like this model, rewarding teams for hiring and developing minority coaches and then rewarding them for letting them go on to bigger things is a better model than forcing teams to interview candidates they have no interest in hiring. And I'm generally supportive of the Rooney Rule, I just think that reward-based models drive behaviours more effectively.
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Is there anyone in 2020's NFL that is not going to hire who they think is the best coach because of their race?
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If he's the best coaching option no one's going to care about comp picks. I quite like this model, rewarding teams for hiring and developing minority coaches and then rewarding them for letting them go on to bigger things is a better model than forcing teams to interview candidates they have no interest in hiring. And I'm generally supportive of the Rooney Rule, I just think that reward-based models drive behaviours more effectively.
eh...you shouldn't need a system like this. If you're the best candidate, you're the best candidate....regardless of skin color.
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eh...you shouldn't need a system like this. If you're the best candidate, you're the best candidate....regardless of skin color.
This
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This
phase 2 will be handing out 2nd round picks for developing female coaches.
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eh...you shouldn't need a system like this. If you're the best candidate, you're the best candidate....regardless of skin color.
The problem with the current system is that every team interviewing HCs can just interview a black member of their coaching staff to bypass the Rooney Rule.
Sometimes the best candidates aren't even being interviewed. Things have to be changed.
There's no reason the NFL has so few black HCs.
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Is there anyone in 2020's NFL that is not going to hire who they think is the best coach because of their race?
This.
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This.
Cal McNair
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The problem with the current system is that every team interviewing HCs can just interview a black member of their coaching staff to bypass the Rooney Rule.
Sometimes the best candidates aren't even being interviewed. Things have to be changed.
There's no reason the NFL has so few black HCs.
The Rooney Rule is stupid too.
how do you know the best candidates arent' being interviewed? Who's being left out in the cold?
I don't think the NFL needs to meet a quota on skin color....that's absurd.
I used to think Leslie Frazier was getting blackballed, until he finally got his chance, and sucked.
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And before anyone makes this about race...it's not. I don't care what color you are. I think guys like Dungy, Tomlin, the late Dennis Green are great HC coaches.
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Cal McNair
Ignoring the fact that their current head coach is actually black because he's only there on an interim basis and there's no shot he gets the head job, I struggle with the idea that if DeShawn is pushing for him and if they think he can have success away from Reid and Mahomes that Eric Bieniemy isn't the guy in Houston.
MB already brought him up, but if Tony Dungy announced his intention to return to the sideline next year, I have to imagine Cal is picking up the phone to talk to his agent.
I could be wrong, I don't know what's in people's hearts especially considering the illogical nature of racial animus.
The Rooney Rule is stupid too.
how do you know the best candidates arent' being interviewed? Who's being left out in the cold?
I don't think the NFL needs to meet a quota on skin color....that's absurd.
I used to think Leslie Frazier was getting blackballed, until he finally got his chance, and sucked.
Remember when the conventional wisdom was that Teddy Cottrell wasn't getting opportunities because he was black? It couldn't have possibly been that he freaking sucked.
Marvin Lewis got jobbed the year the Ravens D carried them to a title, but he got jobbed into being paid the highest paid coordinator in the league for a year before being hired by Cincy. Was that because of his race? Because of when he was available to interview given their playoff run? I have no idea. As far as I can recall-Herm wasn't even a coordinator when we hired him.
I think a large part of it was/is the symptom of the NFL's good old boys network with guys getting recycled as position coaches in perpetuity.
I'd be interested to see in terms of statistics how much the number of position coaches in the NFL has gone up in terms of minority representation with the idea being the higher that number goes in the coming seasons and the more experienced gained by this influx of coaching talent, the more you'll see attractive candidates and more black head coaches.
For whatever reason, there seems to be this obsession as well with offensive minded coaches who come from a background of being a quarterback coach. Like any other fad, once the league gets away from that you'll hopefully see more guys make the jump like Anthony Lynn did (from rb coach to o-coordinator to head coach in relatively short order).
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Middle class white dudes banging on about the perfect meritocracy always make me laugh.
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Looking forward to the implementation of a program to give compensation to teams that keep white cornerbacks on the roster. RIP Jason Sehorn.
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Middle class white dudes banging on about the perfect meritocracy always make me laugh.
Wait a minute...i'm looking at this wrong
All this is doing is encouraging more development among minority coaches within the NFL. I'm all for this.
Having said that, i still don't think additional picks should be awarded. Because this type of development should be happening regardless....teams should be doing this despite the incentives.
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Wait a minute...i'm looking at this wrong
All this is doing is encouraging more development among minority coaches within the NFL. I'm all for this.
Having said that, i still don't think additional picks should be awarded. Because this type of development should be happening regardless....teams should be doing this despite the incentives.
But that's exactly the point. They should. They're not.
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But that's exactly the point. They should. They're not.
I still think 2 basic things about this.
#1 - good teams develop quality coaches and turn them into viable candidates who then get poached. This means that the teams that already are good are now getting better by having additional draft capital. If you are a bad to middling team (like we have been since forever ago) who doesn't produce quality coaches we are not given less opportunities to acquire the talent necessary to help us improve as an organization and get better at developing not only players but coaches. Similar to the current comp pick system, teams that are good drafting teams are rewarded for letting players walk with more chances to replace them, while teams who aren't good at it, lose out on additional selections to help themselves improve. In all seriousness when's the last time we had someone hired as a HC from within the Jets organization by another team?
#2 - If there is a tie or near tie between candidates and an organization is looking for a way to separate candidates, this could push a team within a division to not hire a division rivals coach. For a sample scenario, let's pretend the Chargers fired Anthony Lynn this season (which I don't think will happen) and their top two candidates are Eric Bienemy and Arthur Smith, they are neck and neck and the Chargers feel confident in both and would be happy with either guy. Bringing in Bienemy gives the Chiefs an additional 3rd round pick, whereas Smith doesn't affect the Titans in any way. If there really is a near tie and both candidates are equally prepared for the job, I think that could work against hiring Bienemy in this case. Now if Bienemy is clearly the superior candidate and the Chargers have no qualms about him, they would absolutely hire him without thinking twice. But if they aren't sold for sure on one guy, I think some teams would use that as a tie breaker to not hire a coach from within their own division if it might benefit a team they are trying desperately to catch.
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Is there anyone in 2020's NFL that is not going to hire who they think is the best coach because of their race?
Why are there so few black coaches then when most of the players are black?
Two 3rds seems like a lot for this but this will also help motivate teams to develop blaxk coaches.
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The one loophole with this that worries me is internal candidates.
If the Bills don't hire Anthony Lynn but the Chargers do, do they now get extra picks? If Andy Reid retired, would the Chiefs hope another team poaches Bienemy for the picks?
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The one loophole with this that worries me is internal candidates.
If the Bills don't hire Anthony Lynn but the Chargers do, do they now get extra picks? If Andy Reid retired, would the Chiefs hope another team poaches Bienemy for the picks?
I can't imagine any team valuing a pair of picks at the end of the third round enough to pass on their first choice head coach and take the second best guy.
Wait, no. The Johnsons. Never rule out any decision by the Johnsons, no matter how mindblowingly bad it might be.
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Looking forward to the implementation of a program to give compensation to teams that keep white cornerbacks on the roster. RIP Jason Sehorn.
I mean, seriously.
Discrimination is ok as long as it evens things out!
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The problem with the current system is that every team interviewing HCs can just interview a black member of their coaching staff to bypass the Rooney Rule.
Sometimes the best candidates aren't even being interviewed. Things have to be changed.
There's no reason the NFL has so few black HCs.
I'd think it would suck to be a black coach getting on a plane to interview for a job, knowing you're just filling a quota. I mean, I guess you approach it as an opportunity to at least interview, but deep down you have to feel like you're being jerked around.
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I'd think it would suck to be a black coach getting on a plane to interview for a job, knowing you're just filling a quota. I mean, I guess you approach it as an opportunity to at least interview, but deep down you have to feel like you're being jerked around.
Heis mentioned this earlier, but I imagine most “Rooney rule” candidates are internal these days. So I don’t expect anyone gets on a plane now a days just because of their skin color. There aren’t a lot of HCs of color, but there are plenty of low level guys who are in just about any organization.
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I think it would be better to get interviews rather than never get interviewed.
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Here's a name to watch: Anthony Weaver
Joe Douglas was part of the scouting department that drafted him in Baltimore. He's seen as an up-and-comer in the coaching ranks.
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Anthony Weaver is a guy I wanted us to draft in 2002.
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Here's a crazy idea: award compensatory picks to teams that hire black coaches.
It addresses all the problems. You're not going to just hire an underqualified candidate just to pick up a couple of 3rd rounders, but you're rewarded if you decide that the best choice of a bunch of candidates happens to be a POC.
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Why are there so few black coaches then when most of the players are black?
What has this got to do with anything?
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What has this got to do with anything?
Everything?
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Everything?
How?
How are any of the traits that make one a good player the same as a good coach?
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Everything?
HEAD COACHES: There are nine head coaches that participated in professional football as a player. Five of the nine were quarterbacks.
QB OTHER OFFENSE POSITION LB
Kingsbury Marrone- OL Vrabel
Taylor Lynn- RB Rivera
Reich
Payton
Pederson
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How?
How are any of the traits that make one a good player the same as a good coach?
I guess you're just focusing on physical traits
Preparation
Knowledge of the game (offensive and defensive)
Leadership
Understanding the NFL locker room and lifestyle
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I guess you're just focusing on physical traits
Preparation
Knowledge of the game (offensive and defensive)
Leadership
Understanding the NFL locker room and lifestyle
Adam Gase rocking a solid 1/4 at best
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No, I'm talking about the fact that being good at doing something and conveying it to others are two totally different things.
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Adam Gase rocking a solid 1/4 at best
Which attribute did you so generously tick off for him? I can't really see one where he is adequate.
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No, I'm talking about the fact that being good at doing something and conveying it to others are two totally different things.
This is very true.
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Which attribute did you so generously tick off for him? I can't really see one where he is adequate.
Preparation
Fail to prepare - Prepare to fail
You can't argue that Gase has always planned to fail.
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Here's a crazy idea: award compensatory picks to teams that hire black coaches.
It addresses all the problems. You're not going to just hire an underqualified candidate just to pick up a couple of 3rd rounders, but you're rewarded if you decide that the best choice of a bunch of candidates happens to be a POC.
I think the NFL has decided that the pipeline of black coaches isn't what it should be for whatever reason. This incentivizes teams to actually start grooming young black coaches, give them promotions to coordinator spots, give them assistant HC gigs.
There's no perfect answer, but this seems meant to address the root issue more than just throwing picks at teams for hiring any black coach.
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I think the NFL has decided that the pipeline of black coaches isn't what it should be for whatever reason. This incentivizes teams to actually start grooming young black coaches, give them promotions to coordinator spots, give them assistant HC gigs.
There's no perfect answer, but this seems meant to address the root issue more than just throwing picks at teams for hiring any black coach.
The NCAA has the same issue as the NFL. Since we’re not hiring former NFL players straight from retirement into HC and coordinator roles, that pipeline needs to be addressed as well. Last I saw the NCAA has 15% black HCs.
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No, I'm talking about the fact that being good at doing something and conveying it to others are two totally different things.
It can go both ways. One of my favorite things about Herm was he made his way from an undrafted free agent to a starter in the NFL and then a head coach. I think if you're a player you have to at least respect that. There's also the idea that guys without a ton of physical skill have to understand the game better to compete because they can't just dominate on talent alone. I've known guys in basketball who could just jump over people and do amazing things, that don't always understand why anyone else can't do the same.
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I think the NFL has decided that the pipeline of black coaches isn't what it should be for whatever reason. This incentivizes teams to actually start grooming young black coaches, give them promotions to coordinator spots, give them assistant HC gigs.
There's no perfect answer, but this seems meant to address the root issue more than just throwing picks at teams for hiring any black coach.
Yeah, and I can understand that. But the problem is, this creates motivation to groom guys, but no motivation to hire them--and possibly a negative. You certainly won't have division rivals making hires that award compensation to rivals. You will probably see balking at hiring someone even in the same conference.
It just doesn't seem to provide enough motivation in a positive direction. Maybe both the hiring team and the team that groomed him get something?
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Adding draft compensation into this scenario is absurd. Potential coaches should be groomed on their potential and merit, no matter the skin color. I know there are executives who are racist, but this isn't the way to correct it.
As a jets fan, i'd be livid if our division rivals kept receiving 3rd round compensatory picks because they all decided to become minority coaching factories. Remember, you can trade compensatory picks now. Which becomes an issue if our rivals are using them as currency to jump ahead of us on the draft board.
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Yeah, and I can understand that. But the problem is, this creates motivation to groom guys, but no motivation to hire them--and possibly a negative. You certainly won't have division rivals making hires that award compensation to rivals. You will probably see balking at hiring someone even in the same conference.
It just doesn't seem to provide enough motivation in a positive direction. Maybe both the hiring team and the team that groomed him get something?
Because if you actually gave draft picks to teams for hiring black coaches over white coaches, I think people like MJ who complain about these policies promoting discrimination would actually have a point. I don't think that's really tenable.
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Adding draft compensation into this scenario is absurd. Potential coaches should be groomed on their potential and merit, no matter the skin color. I know there are executives who are racist, but this isn't the way to correct it..
They should be, but...
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They should be, but...
I think SFD is right...this is a bigger issue in the NCAA.
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I think SFD is right...this is a bigger issue in the NCAA.
Doesn't mean that this issue shouldn't be fixed in the NFL.
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Doesn't mean that this issue shouldn't be fixed in the NFL.
I never said that.
But throwing draft compenation at the issue is ridiculous.
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I never said that.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DXAZuSHHdNI/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Granted it was Yogi Berra in the context he was discussing it, but Jim Bouton in Ball Four actually goes into the difficulty of pro athletes becoming coaches because they can't comprehend how hard it is for those who don't have their physical attributes. The idea that its automatically translatable is ridiculous, and the idea that everything needs to become racially balanced in the ultimate meritocracy of football defeats the idea of winning at all costs. Building on Jumbo's point (and again, sorry for the kiss of death Jumbo) but I guess we'll now extend this to awarding teams draft compensation with white running backs.
NFL executives might be racist, they might not. No one knows that despite thinking they have the ability to peer into someone elses soul. But I'd lay 100 against a 10 right now (and granted we'll never know) that without this initiative even the most ardently racist owner with an opening this off-season is running to hire Bieniemy (he was getting a job after this year). David Shaw might very well post two dismal seasons in a row at Stanford and if he wanted to signal that he was ready to make the jump, I'm sure the Jaguars, Jets, Lions, Texans and whoever else has an opening this year or will presumably have an opening would at least want to talk to him.
Because if you actually gave draft picks to teams for hiring black coaches over white coaches, I think people like MJ who complain about these policies promoting discrimination would actually have a point. I don't think that's really tenable.
Only people like me, forget that California just rejected every race based discriminatory initiative on their ballot.
There's no question this specific policy promotes race based discrimination, but it passed. I wonder if the Chargers decide to fire Anthony Lynn if they look past the absurdity of the Chiefs getting TWO third rounders and hire Bieniemy anyway. Be a shame if he missed out on the chance to go to an attractive situation because of this absolute horseshit, and instead settled to go coach Jacksonville.
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Granted it was Yogi Berra in the context he was discussing it, but Jim Bouton in Ball Four actually goes into the difficulty of pro athletes becoming coaches because they can't comprehend how hard it is for those who don't have their physical attributes. The idea that its automatically translatable is ridiculous, and the idea that everything needs to become racially balanced in the ultimate meritocracy of football defeats the idea of winning at all costs. Building on Jumbo's point (and again, sorry for the kiss of death Jumbo) but I guess we'll now extend this to awarding teams draft compensation with white running backs.
NFL executives might be racist, they might not. No one knows that despite thinking they have the ability to peer into someone elses soul. But I'd lay 100 against a 10 right now (and granted we'll never know) that without this initiative even the most ardently racist owner with an opening this off-season is running to hire Bieniemy (he was getting a job after this year). David Shaw might very well post two dismal seasons in a row at Stanford and if he wanted to signal that he was ready to make the jump, I'm sure the Jaguars, Jets, Lions, Texans and whoever else has an opening this year or will presumably have an opening would at least want to talk to him.
My suspicion is that it's less to do with the NFL execs or indeed anyone else being specifically racist, and more to do with the fact that so many coaches work their way up from being assistants, interns and grunts, and that so many of those roles in schools and even NFL teams are given out based upon someone's daddy having worked with someone else's and some strings getting pulled. For the vast majority of minority coaches that route isn't available, so success as a player is pretty much the only option - I haven't looked at the numbers, but it would be my suspicion that the proportion of minority coaches who played at a very high level would be much higher than the number of white coaches who did. So it's not a problem so much of execs not wanting to hire minorities as much as it is minorities not getting the ground level opportunities, because they don't have the connections to get them.
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My suspicion is that it's less to do with the NFL execs or indeed anyone else being specifically racist, and more to do with the fact that so many coaches work their way up from being assistants, interns and grunts, and that so many of those roles in schools and even NFL teams are given out based upon someone's daddy having worked with someone else's and some strings getting pulled. For the vast majority of minority coaches that route isn't available, so success as a player is pretty much the only option - I haven't looked at the numbers, but it would be my suspicion that the proportion of minority coaches who played at a very high level would be much higher than the number of white coaches who did. So it's not a problem so much of execs not wanting to hire minorities as much as it is minorities not getting the ground level opportunities, because they don't have the connections to get them.
This makes a fair bit of sense. I don't have a clue how to incentivize this, and frankly teams in need of draft capital could just go out on the street and grab 10 minorities to hire them as ground level grunt workers to acquire measly draft capital (6th and 7th rounders) and that's almost certainly far worse than what is happening right now.
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My suspicion is that it's less to do with the NFL execs or indeed anyone else being specifically racist, and more to do with the fact that so many coaches work their way up from being assistants, interns and grunts, and that so many of those roles in schools and even NFL teams are given out based upon someone's daddy having worked with someone else's and some strings getting pulled. For the vast majority of minority coaches that route isn't available, so success as a player is pretty much the only option - I haven't looked at the numbers, but it would be my suspicion that the proportion of minority coaches who played at a very high level would be much higher than the number of white coaches who did. So it's not a problem so much of execs not wanting to hire minorities as much as it is minorities not getting the ground level opportunities, because they don't have the connections to get them.
This is a good post addressing the root cause.
There isn’t a pool of talented black HC candidates being denied HC opportunities. There’s a lack of experienced/desirable candidates - at least based on league perception right now. For that we need to look at the hiring practices for low level NFL assistant jobs and NCAA HC/Coord/Assistant jobs.
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To see where NFL players end up after their on-field careers, LinkedIn scoured their database to find the professions for former NFLers. The job networking site found 3,272 former NFL players with profiles, up from roughly 2,000 in 2013. The top profession for former NFL players is small business owner with 20% of those on LinkedIn labelled as entrepreneurs. Sales (18%), coaching/fitness professional (9%) and financial services (8%) were also popular landing spots.
Recently retired players are more likely to stay in sports or coaching, while players out of the league for more than 10 years are likely to work with non-profits and smaller organizations per LinkedIn. For those 20 years out of the game, entrepreneurship is the ticket with 31% having their own business compared to 11% for those retired less than five years.
Forbes 2017
Maybe coaching just isn’t a desired profession for most retired players. It’s hard work and usually takes many years of dedication and experience to work your way to the top level. Some guys are ready to be done with the day to day grind of football life after retirement.
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One other college coach I like: Justin Wilcox of Cal.
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My suspicion is that it's less to do with the NFL execs or indeed anyone else being specifically racist, and more to do with the fact that so many coaches work their way up from being assistants, interns and grunts, and that so many of those roles in schools and even NFL teams are given out based upon someone's daddy having worked with someone else's and some strings getting pulled. For the vast majority of minority coaches that route isn't available, so success as a player is pretty much the only option - I haven't looked at the numbers, but it would be my suspicion that the proportion of minority coaches who played at a very high level would be much higher than the number of white coaches who did. So it's not a problem so much of execs not wanting to hire minorities as much as it is minorities not getting the ground level opportunities, because they don't have the connections to get them.
Considering I literally posted about the hurdle of the good ole boys network like a day or so ago, I don't disagree.
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One other college coach I like: Justin Wilcox of Cal.
No no no
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Considering I literally posted about the hurdle of the good ole boys network like a day or so ago, I don't disagree.
Yes, I wasn't arguing with you; I was following on from your comment as to NFL execs may or may not be racist but we don't know. I don't think they are. As SFD more succinctly put it, there probably aren't enough qualified minority HC candidates because there probably aren't enough minorities getting the opportunity to work as NFL video interns and college level assistants and high school position coaches, so there aren't the volume of career coaches getting to climb the ladder off a body of work.
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Arthur Smith's dad is the founder of FedEx.
He is the heir to a billion dollar company.
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Arthur Smith's dad is the founder of FedEx.
He is the heir to a billion dollar company.
At least he'll deliver a Lombardi trophy to this franchise on time.
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1328862948375277570?s=21
Costello doin his thing
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Amazing how far Harbaugh has fallen among my preferences.
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Amazing how far Harbaugh has fallen among my preferences.
SBTG
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SBTG
Not by much
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Not by much
Let's just hope
a) Gase gets fired
b) JD and the Johnsons cast a wide net in their search.
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Not by much
Sorry but who the freak are you kidding with that?
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I think we could really do things right with another year of real diligent tanking. Hear me out...
-New coach.
-Trade out of all picks beyond the 4th round in 2021 to collect higher round picks for 2021 or 2022. Trade all 2022 picks beyond 4th round to move up higher that year or this year.
-All rookies and useful players benched for the entire 2021 season to rest, get in shape, learn the new playbook, avoid covid (all of these players required to get minimum 10 Covid vaccinations from various manufacturers).
-All other players signed at vet minimum deals. Purposefully encourage them getting covid to guarantee no accidental good play on the field.
-Trade anyone not in the plans for 2022 for draft picks/ham sammiches/titty dances.
-Consider playing several players on both sides of the ball. Is there a minimum roster #? Just have 11 players that play iron man football to save cap space. Consider 9-10 players since no penalty for too few players on the field.
-Go full monty in 2022 and spend all cap space down to the last cent on free agents.
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#FireBo
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Sorry but who the freak are you kidding with that?
Apparently you haven't seen what's happening at Michigan
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Apparently you haven't seen what's happening at Michigan
Can't sail the shrimpin' boat to Ann Arbor apparently.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1331409729902551041?s=20
I'm down for this
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1331409729902551041?s=20
I'm down for this
I know nothing about Patty Fitz....please enlighten us.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1331409729902551041?s=20
I'm down for this
I don't know uStadium so I have no idea whether they would have any actual sources, but if this is true it doesn't sound at all like a Johnson move, which is encouraging. He got everything he could out of Clayton Thorson so I don't hate this idea at all.
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I know nothing about Patty Fitz....please enlighten us.
Consistently winning at a school that has unrealistically high academic standards for a program that plays in a major conference
He's a Hall of Fame NCAA LB that has done a hell of a job at Northwestern. Not sure he'd ever leave though.
Every bit as impressive as Matt Rhule. Probably more a disciplinarian.
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Consistently winning at a school that has unrealistically high academic standards for a program that plays in a major conference
He's a Hall of Fame NCAA LB that has done a hell of a job at Northwestern. Not sure he'd ever leave though.
Every bit as impressive as Matt Rhule. Probably more a disciplinarian.
It seems like that tends to be a red flag with college coaches making the jump to the NFL without any prior pro coaching experience.
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It seems like that tends to be a red flag with college coaches making the jump to the NFL without any prior pro coaching experience.
He runs the tightest ship in college football. They never have any issues off the field and his teams play smart, disciplined football.
Not a lot of players leave that program either. That is a positive sign.
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He runs the tightest ship in college football. They never have any issues off the field and his teams play smart, disciplined football.
Not a lot of players leave that program either. That is a positive sign.
smart, disciplined football is such a foreign concept at Florham Park. Some heads may explode.
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Apparently he's turned down invitations to interview for a couple of NFL jobs in the recent past, including the Packers. Better hope that Trevor Lawrence is known for giving incredible blowjobs if we want him to be interested in coming here.
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I wouldn't take Fitzgerald over Matt Campbell or Joe Brady. It's interesting to see him linked to us, because he's a guy that I never thought would leave Northwestern.
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Day over all of them. So now we've got Fitzgerald, Day and Harbaugh in the conversation. How long before we start talking about Tom Allen?
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I wouldn't take Fitzgerald over Matt Campbell or Joe Brady. It's interesting to see him linked to us, because he's a guy that I never thought would leave Northwestern.
it could be Joe Douglas just doing his due dillegence and casting a wide net.
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Day over all of them. So now we've got Fitzgerald, Day and Harbaugh in the conversation. How long before we start talking about Tom Allen?
Harbaugh should absolutely not be in the conversation. He has completely lost it.
Tom Allen would be annoying because he's defensive minded, older, and he hasn't had sustained success.
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if this dude has declined the freaking PACKERS or bears, theres no god damn chance he'd consider the jets.
from the limited stuff i've seen, he seems like a dude who would rather stay at nw forever to try and turn them into a powerhouse before he joined the new york fuckin jets
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if this dude has declined the freaking PACKERS or bears, theres no god damn chance he'd consider the jets.
The Packers are not an ideal job because Aaron Rodgers is a player of the pink oboe.
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I don't know if any of it is true, but if it is, it's great because it means there's no thought of keeping Gase. That fucker is like Trump, I won't believe anything until Rapsheet tells me he's been fired and he is on TV walking out of the building carrying all his excrement.
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he seems like a dude who would rather stay at nw forever to try and turn them into a powerhouse
This will never happen and he knows it.
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Harbaugh should absolutely not be in the conversation. He has completely lost it.
Tom Allen would be annoying because he's defensive minded, older, and he hasn't had sustained success.
I wasn't serious about Allen, I was talking about the apparent focus on Big Ten coaches.
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I wasn't serious about Allen, I was talking about the apparent focus on Big Ten coaches.
Woody will hire Lovie Smith
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Woody will hire Lovie Smith
I think that might actually push MB over the edge.
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Woody will hire Lovie Smith
please god, no more retreads.
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This is a tough topic to discuss (i've mentioned this in the past) until Gase gets fired. I know it sounds paranoid, but i don't trust the Johnsons to make sound decisions.
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Lovie would be me not following the Jets anymore
Sent from fire adam gase.
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it could be Joe Douglas just doing his due dillegence and casting a wide net.
how do we know its douglas casting a net at all?
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how do we know its douglas casting a net at all?
How do we know about anything?
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Woody will hire Lovie Smith
I just punched myself in the dick.
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if this dude has declined the freaking PACKERS or bears, theres no god damn chance he'd consider the jets.
from the limited stuff i've seen, he seems like a dude who would rather stay at nw forever to try and turn them into a powerhouse before he joined the new york fuckin jets
Packers and Bears don't have a chance at Trevor Lawrence. Our job becomes a lot more appealing with him.
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Apparently he's turned down invitations to interview for a couple of NFL jobs in the recent past, including the Packers. Better hope that Trevor Lawrence is known for giving incredible blowjobs if we want him to be interested in coming here.
Trevor Lawrence makes elite blowjob eye contact
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How do we know about anything?
Is it really possible to "know" anything? What is reality?
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Trevor Lawrence makes elite blowjob eye contact
At least the hair means you can pretend it's not gay.
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I don't know if any of it is true, but if it is, it's great because it means there's no thought of keeping Gase. That fucker is like Trump, I won't believe anything until Rapsheet tells me he's been fired and he is on TV walking out of the building carrying all his excrement.
Exactly how I feel.
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Exactly how I feel.
i can only imagine the sorts of stories we're going to hear about the oddities of gase's tenure here once he is finally out lol. it's probably going to come at a time if/when the organization is somehow seeing an uncharacteristic amount of success on the field
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How do we know about anything?
if we're doing this the way we've been doing it for the past decade(?), JD has probably had little to no say in the HC candidates thus far.
i'm not sure where all the smoke about who we're looking at as an organization is coming from but it'd be interesting to see what the actual sources are. could also be best guesses from the media and nfl talking heads
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I read the above about Fitzgerald, is Nick Spano reliable? If he is than this part is the most inspiring Jets news there is:
nlourenco3419 hours ago
@NickSpano from this it seems like Douglas will be in charge of the coaching search then no? As long as he’s picking and not the Johnson’s we should be good
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NickSpano19 hours ago
@nlourenco34 def
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if we're doing this the way we've been doing it for the past decade(?), JD has probably had little to no say in the HC candidates thus far.
i'm not sure where all the smoke about who we're looking at as an organization is coming from but it'd be interesting to see what the actual sources are. could also be best guesses from the media and nfl talking heads
Macc was involved in the hiring process for Gase
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Macc was involved in the hiring process for Gase
That was Johnson's move Duff didn't like him I thought.
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is Nick Spano reliable?
no
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That was Johnson's move Duff didn't like him I thought.
Nope...Gase didn't like Duff
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I won't believe anything unless I hear it from Steiny.
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Nope...Gase didn't like Duff
I know, no excrement he had him canned, but Duff wasn't behind Gase's hire, he had to approve of it publicly because of Johnson (his boss).
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I know, no excrement he had him canned, but Duff wasn't behind Gase's hire, he had to approve of it publicly because of Johnson (his boss).
Maccagnan was certainly in on the hiring process. Matt Rhule turned down the job because he kept trying to force Todd Monken to be his OC.
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Maccagnan was certainly in on the hiring process. Matt Rhule turned down the job because he kept trying to force Todd Monken to be his OC.
It was Johnson's hire, he ran the show. Duff didn't want him. In on the hiring process doesn't mean you run the process. That said he tried a power play because Rhule was a college coach and he ultimately got burned, thank god for that. If the Jets had Duff and Gase, I would have zero hope for the future.
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We better damn well get in pole position for Trevor Lawrence because I don't know why any top tier candidate would want to come to an organization with this fucked up structure otherwise
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We better damn well get in pole position for Trevor Lawrence because I don't know why any top tier candidate would want to come to an organization with this fucked up structure otherwise
It's the only way to attract a top tier coach. Without a shot at Trevor Lawrence, we'll end up with a boring retread.
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It's the only way to attract a top tier coach. Without a shot at Trevor Lawrence, we'll end up with a boring retread.
Jim Caldwell SZN
(please no)
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Jim Caldwell SZN
(please no)
JFC
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It's the only way to attract a top tier coach. Without a shot at Trevor Lawrence, we'll end up with a boring retread.
There are many reasons to not want Jim Harbaugh, but boring is not one of them.
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i can only imagine the sorts of stories we're going to hear about the oddities of gase's tenure here once he is finally out lol. it's probably going to come at a time if/when the organization is somehow seeing an uncharacteristic amount of success on the field
I'm quite certain Manish has been stockpiling info for a long time for just such an occasion.
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Harbaugh should absolutely not be in the conversation. He has completely lost it.
Tom Allen would be annoying because he's defensive minded, older, and he hasn't had sustained success.
Woody's been stuck overseas for 4 years, do you think he even knows Harbaugh sucks now? When Woody left, Harbaugh was an elite candidate.
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1331409729902551041?s=20
I'm down for this
Somewhat certain Nick Spano runs this account lol
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https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/11/28/21723791/eagles-news-doug-pederson-wouldnt-be-totally-unhappy-ends-up-getting-fired-philadelphia-head-coach
Would be an interesting option.
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no freaking thank you.
weve had enough loser retreads with brilliant minds who still managed to be freaking terrible and get fired.
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no freaking thank you.
weve had enough loser retreads with brilliant minds who still managed to be freaking terrible and get fired.
this
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Pederson is not a loser retread
He won a Super Bowl a few years ago
Injuries and awful roster management have tanked Philly
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no freaking thank you.
weve had enough loser retreads with brilliant minds who still managed to be freaking terrible and get fired.
adam gase is not a brilliant mind lol
when the team was running on all cylinders pederson was able to lead that group and win, and he won without his star starting QB. the eagles are just kinda derriere right now
gase couldn't have led that group to a cheesesteak
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Pederson is not a loser retread
He won a Super Bowl a few years ago
Injuries and awful roster management have tanked Philly
This, he is not at all a retread. I don't even understand why Philly would fire him.
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People giving all the credit for 2017 to Reich are entirely living in the moment lol. They made the playoffs the next two years (even if in a weak division). If Pederson actually leaves you have to have him towards the top of the list.
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People giving all the credit for 2017 to Reich are entirely living in the moment lol. They made the playoffs the next two years (even if in a weak division). If Pederson actually leaves you have to have him towards the top of the list.
i think having JD would actually be a good way of luring him here as well
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Philly can keep jim schwartz though
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Philly can keep jim schwartz though
Shitty HC and a weird dude, but his defenses when he has been co-ordinator in Tennessee, Buffalo and Philly have been almost uniformly excellent.
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Shitty HC and a weird dude, but his defenses when he has been co-ordinator in Tennessee, Buffalo and Philly have been almost uniformly excellent.
Hes a 4-3 guy.
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Hes a 4-3 guy.
So? Adherence to scheme has not exactly paid off for us.
This is not an endorsement of JS.
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Hes a 4-3 guy.
Oh no, how ever will we manage to accommodate all of our star linebackers?
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Oh no, how ever will we manage to accommodate all of our star linebackers?
We don't have star linebackers....or linebackers.
I was just making a statement. It wasn't an endorsement for or against Schwartz (I just don't want him to be our HC) as a DC.
Maybe settle the freak down on the unnecessary snark.
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So? Adherence to scheme has not exactly paid off for us.
This is not an endorsement of JS.
I dont give a excrement either way...but it could affect who we target in the draft and FA.
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There might be an argument to be made that our personnel on the DL would be better in a 4-3 primarily
JFM and Q are both strong pass rushing DT, having 2 interior guys makes it harder to be doubled and gives them both more room to work. Foley Fats will eat up space either way in the run game.
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We don't have star linebackers....or linebackers.
I was just making a statement. It wasn't an endorsement for or against Schwartz (I just don't want him to be our HC) as a DC.
Maybe settle the freak down on the unnecessary snark.
the sex you two have after all of this bickering is going to be electric
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the sex you two have after all of this bickering is going to be electric
Mj and iata will join for a hate 4 way.
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Pederson hasn't been the same without Reich, and Wentz has regressed, but I'd still take Pederson over a bunch of the other candidates.
If the Eagles' season spirals out of control, and there is truly friction between Pederson and Roseman, I could see it. I feel that could be slightly more realistic than the Sean Payton rumors.
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Adam Gase will ruin Lawrence.
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Roseman should go based on Arcega-Whiteside over DK alone.
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Jeff Darlington: Irrelevant but amusing to consider: Adam Gase was prepared to go to Detroit as Matt Patricia’s OC when the Jets offered him their head coaching job. Lions interim coach Adam Gase would’ve likely been taking over the reigns today.
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Figures we'd jump in front of that bullet.
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Figures we'd jump in front of that bullet.
Least we could do considering the start the Patricia era got off to.
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Pederson would be a great get. Although there has never been a head coach win a super bowl with 2 teams.
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For the folks that like Eric Bieniemy, what gives you confidence that he's not going to turn out like Nagy in Chicago?
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I just had a panic attack thinking the Johnsons/Joe Douglas could interview Marvin Lewis.
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For the folks that like Eric Bieniemy, what gives you confidence that he's not going to turn out like Nagy in Chicago?
I don't think anyone here really likes him that much.
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I don't think anyone here really likes him that much.
I think he's probably candidate 3 or 4 for most of us TBH
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Joe Bardy, Matt Campbell, or FedEx Smith plz
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Saw rumors of Fangio possibly getting canned after the season. He'd be a great get to replace Geg
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I don't think anyone here really likes him that much.
I think he's probably candidate 3 or 4 for most of us TBH
Then I might as well expect him to be the next HC of the Jets
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Then I might as well expect him to be the next HC of the Jets
I have a favorable view of him but he's not the most exciting candidate.
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I have a favorable view of him but he's not the most exciting candidate.
I'm concerned he will be Nagy 2.0 in the sense that Mahomes can make any OC look good.
See Manning/Gase...and we all know how that turned out
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I'm concerned he will be Nagy 2.0 in the sense that Mahomes can make any OC look good.
See Manning/Gase...and we all know how that turned out
Not sure how you’re getting the Mahomes/Nagy success connection since Mahomes only played one game in 2017.
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Not sure how you’re getting the Mahomes/Nagy success connection since Mahomes only played one game in 2017.
Oh I stand corrected...but the concern still remains for me at least.
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Oh I stand corrected...but the concern still remains for me at least.
I’m worried about him, but no more than any other candidate currently working as an OC.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/jim-harbaugh-eyes-a-potential-nfl-return/
We better not
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/jim-harbaugh-eyes-a-potential-nfl-return/
We better not
I saw this earlier....he'll probably be interviewed
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/jim-harbaugh-eyes-a-potential-nfl-return/
We better not
Not my first choice, but I wouldn't be mad. Not sure if the Johnsons will be attracted to his weird intensity though. Might feel a bit Gase-like.
I'm assuming it will be Woody running the show again by then anyway, I can't see any way Biden leaves him out in London.
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Not my first choice, but I wouldn't be mad.
How can you still be on board with this guy after what's happened at Michigan so far this season?
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How can you still be on board with this guy after what's happened at Michigan so far this season?
His star has definitely lost a bit of its shine and he would be a more attractive candidate if we were doing a reclamation job on Sam rather than moving on to the next rookie to freak up, but he still ticks a number of the boxes that matter to me (history of running a full program, prior success in the NFL, proven expertise with QBs).
I think he gets a partial pass for Michigan given the quality of players he was given to work with. When the best QB you've had in 6 years is Shea Patterson and the best wideout is Donovan Peoples-Jones it's hard to see what more he could have done other than recruit better, which I accept is at least partly on him but also not something that's really an issue in the NFL. In his time they've had 5 skill players drafted to the NFL and the best one is Jake Butt. Harbaugh gets his share of the blame for that, both in recruitment and development, but I don't look at those teams and think that someone else could have done a lot more with them. They've had great defenses and offensive lines, but poor skill players.
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I think he gets a partial pass for Michigan given the quality of players he was given to work with. When the best QB you've had in 6 years is Shea Patterson and the best wideout is Donovan Peoples-Jones it's hard to see what more he could have done other than recruit better
Here's the thing: Harbaugh and his staff recruited these players. They were highly touted recruits, some of the best in the country, and he did nothing with them.
He did not develop the talent that he handpicked.
Dylan McCaffrey was a Top 5 QB prospect in 2017. Wasted.
Joe Milton was a Top 10 QB prospect in 2018. He looks awful.
Cade McNamara was a Top 7 QB prospect in 2019. He isn't any good.
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Harbaugh had a hand in Luck's development at Stanford too.
I'm impartial on Harbaugh currently...but I thought that was worth noting when it came to his history with developing QBs
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Leave Gase one more year to tank again so we can amass record amounts of picks in 2022.
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Harbaugh had a hand in Luck's development at Stanford too.
I'm impartial on Harbaugh currently...but I thought that was worth noting when it came to his history with developing QBs
That's fine, but that's literally it at the college level.
He developed Josh Johnson and Andrew Luck. The rest have been terrible.
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Here's the thing: Harbaugh and his staff recruited these players. They were highly touted recruits, some of the best in the country, and he did nothing with them.
He did not develop the talent that he handpicked.
Dylan McCaffrey was a Top 5 QB prospect in 2017. Wasted.
Joe Milton was a Top 10 QB prospect in 2018. He looks awful.
Cade McNamara was a Top 7 QB prospect in 2019. He isn't any good.
Sure, and I'm not really trying to defend Harbaugh's time at Michigan - he has clearly done some things poorly. But something like 50% of 5 star prospects never get drafted so it's not like any of these guys were slam dunks.
When he has had his hands on a top quality player, he's got the best out of them. Luck, Smith, Kaepernick are all big marks in his credit ledger.
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Luck, Smith, Kaepernick are all big marks in his credit ledger.
That was a long time ago too. The game could have easily passed him by, because he sure as hell hasn't developed a quarterback at Michigan and he's had a lot of talent to work with.
The players I listed and Shea Patterson were top quality prospects and he's wasted each and every one of them.
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People want to blame Gase for Tannehill every chance they get, but they're willing to give Harbaugh a pass because he made Alex Smith not look like excrement ten years ago.
He's done nothing with the QBs he's coached since Colin Kaepnerick.
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People want to blame Gase for Tannehill every chance they get, but they're willing to give Harbaugh a pass because he made Alex Smith not look like excrement ten years ago.
He's done nothing with the QBs he's coached since Colin Kaepnerick.
I blame Gase for a lot more than just Tannehill. And he deserves every bit of it.
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I blame Gase for a lot more than just Tannehill. And he deserves every bit of it.
Gase is terrible, but Harbaugh has done absolutely nothing over the past few years to deserve another shot as a HC in the NFL. His performance at Michigan has absolutely tanked his credibility as a supposed QB guru.
I'd be fine with giving him as a shot as a coordinator, but even then it would be a bit of a head scratcher.
He's a nutjob control freak.
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Gase is terrible, but Harbaugh has done absolutely nothing over the past few years to deserve another shot as a HC in the NFL. His performance at Michigan has absolutely tanked his credibility as a supposed QB guru.
I'd be fine with giving him as a shot as a coordinator, but even then it would be a bit of a head scratcher.
He's a nutjob control freak.
Harbaugh's personality is concerning. I'd probably pass. But what he did to jim Schwartz is still hilarious.
I still like:
Joe Brady
Brian Daboll
Arthur Smith
Matt Campbell
Robert Saleh
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Harbaugh's personality is concerning. I'd probably pass. But what he did to jim Schwartz is still hilarious.
I still like:
Joe Brady
Brian Daboll
Arthur Smith
Matt Campbell
Robert Saleh
If I were ranking these 5
Brady
Saleh
Smith
Campbell
Daboll
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If I were ranking these 5
Brady
Saleh
Smith
Campbell
Daboll
Watch out for the Marvin Lewis hire. Remember, the football gods hate us.
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Watch out for the Marvin Lewis hire. Remember, the football gods hate us.
Jim Caldwell and Bill O'Brien are still waiting for a call from someone as well.
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Not trying to defend Harbaugh but has anyone ever developed a QB at Michigan?
Yeah, yeah, Brady but he was an un-touted 6th round pick who had to split time with Drew Henson in his senior year despite coming off a 10 win season. Seems like he succeeded in spite of his college career.
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Not trying to defend Harbaugh but has anyone ever developed a QB at Michigan?
Yeah, yeah, Brady but he was an un-touted 6th round pick who had to split time with Drew Henson in his senior year despite coming off a 10 win season. Seems like he succeeded in spite of his college career.
I'm struggling to figure out how coaches in the 1990's and 2000's not developing QBs at a school has anything to do with Jim Harbaugh in the late 2010's.
Especially when you have to caveat it with "Well, other than the best QB of all-time, who have they produced?"
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I'm struggling to figure out how coaches in the 1990's and 2000's not developing QBs at a school has anything to do with Jim Harbaugh in the late 2010's.
Especially when you have to caveat it with "Well, other than the best QB of all-time, who have they produced?"
For some reason it historically seems like a black hole for QBs succeeding in the NFL despite it's draw for top recruits.
The one QB who did succeed at the pro level was completely under the radar. Him being one of the best QBs in the league's history only seems to make it more confusing. Brady was a complete outlier.
It wasn't an argument for or against Harbaugh it was an observation that clicked because of Harbaugh's inability to develop QBs at Michigan despite being known for making Luck one of the biggest QB prospects of recent memory.
Happy Sunday.
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Does anyone think the idea of being able to draft Trevor Lawrence and having (at least) an extra two 1sts and a 2nd round pick is enough to make Harbaugh at least consider the Jets circus?
Or are these waters far too toxic for anyone with any reputation to consider?
I know a few years people were drooling over the idea of getting him, and he's lost a lot of clout since then.
But I can't imagine good candidates lining up to come here
Hell we made freaking Rhule turn us down, and that was before Adam Gase
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Does anyone think the idea of being able to draft Trevor Lawrence and having (at least) an extra two 1sts and a 2nd round pick is enough to make Harbaugh at least consider the Jets circus?
Or are these waters far too toxic for anyone with any reputation to consider?
I know a few years people were drooling over the idea of getting him, and he's lost a lot of clout since then.
But I can't imagine good candidates lining up to come here
Hell we made freaking Rhule turn us down, and that was before Adam Gase
Nobody wants Harbaugh here
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Nobody wants Harbaugh here
I'm definitely out of the loop this year on all things football.
I just have to imagine out of the retreads he has to be one of the better options. I'd certainly take him over Caldwell Lynn and Dungy.
I've come to accept that this is a place where successful people shouldn't want to come. We're not going to attract the Bill Parcels, I just don't want us to settle for the next Adam Gase either
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I'm definitely out of the loop this year on all things football.
I just have to imagine out of the retreads he has to be one of the better options. I'd certainly take him over Caldwell Lynn and Dungy.
I've come to accept that this is a place where successful people shouldn't want to come. We're not going to attract the Bill Parcels, I just don't want us to settle for the next Adam Gase either
This is why it's vital we land that #1 pick. It makes this job very attractive to potential HCs, especially when you couple that with the rest of our draft capital and salary cap space.
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We hired Gase. Harbaugh will def be interviewed.
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https://twitter.com/giowfan/status/1335924088724918275?s=21
GET IT DONE TANNY
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https://twitter.com/giowfan/status/1335924088724918275?s=21
GET IT DONE TANNY
SOLD
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https://twitter.com/giowfan/status/1335924088724918275?s=21
GET IT DONE TANNY
in b4 dcm says Cowher's offenses have never thrown a pass
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Inb4 heis says he sucks
Sent from fire adam gase.
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Dick Lebeau is like 110 years old.....he can still coach the D. LFG
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Ftr, there no way Cowher is gonna freak up his legacy by joining this shitshow team.
We're gonna end up hiring coach Klein and farmer Fran because of their brilliant offensive minds and all of the coaches backing then up.
Sent from fire adam gase.
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Ftr, there no way Cowher is gonna freak up his legacy by joining this shitshow team.
We're gonna end up hiring coach Klein and farmer Fran because of their brilliant offensive minds and all of the coaches backing then up.
Sent from fire adam gase.
The Farmer Fran nipple pinch package of plays are elite.
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Bill Cowher, are you kidding me? No. I don't want a guy who hasn't coached in 13 years.
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Bill Cowher, are you kidding me? No. I don't want a guy who hasn't coached in 13 years.
Cowher-Henderson-Bates LFG
I wanted to use Cottrell for this but apparently he's technically employed as a coach right now.
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Not wanting Bell who hadn't played in a year was understandable. Sitting around for a year isn't good for an athlete.
But a coach? I can maybe see the argument that the game has passed a coach by, but it's not like Cowher has been sitting on the back porch chugging Bud Lights for the past decade. He's been actively breaking down film and understanding the game as it has evolved.
Cowher is who I wanted to replace Mangini. The only reason I stopped pining for him is because I really thought he was done with coaching. Throw all the money at him right now if he's even vaguely considering coming here.
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I thought Cowher was coming here when they fired Mangini.
Fool me once shame on me fool me twice...strike three.
I'm certainly not opposed to it. Vermeil was out of the game for 16 years and that turned out ok.
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Iirc, Woody went on vacation for two weeks after firing Mangini on Black Monday. That Johnson work ethic is the only reason Gase hasn't been fired yet. Too much hassle.
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Not wanting Bell who hadn't played in a year was understandable. Sitting around for a year isn't good for an athlete.
But a coach? I can maybe see the argument that the game has passed a coach by, but it's not like Cowher has been sitting on the back porch chugging Bud Lights for the past decade. He's been actively breaking down film and understanding the game as it has evolved.
Cowher is who I wanted to replace Mangini. The only reason I stopped pining for him is because I really thought he was done with coaching. Throw all the money at him right now if he's even vaguely considering coming here.
Is sitting around 14 years good for a coach?
Look, if you tell me Cowher is studying football all the time, breaking down film, talking to assistant coaches, running camps, and doing all of that, maybe you can sell me. But do we have any proof of that? Most of his assistants from when he was a HC are either retired or out of the NFL. What's his coaching staff look like?
This just screams like a horrible Jets idea to make a big splash without having any clue of how to actually win.
He would literally be coaching a new generation of players, and he'd be the 5th-oldest coach in the league.
The case for Cowher is that he would be a Parcells-type figure who would lead us out of the doldrums and give us credibility. But 15 years ago is a long time in the NFL, and from what I can tell, Cowher hasn't done nearly as much to stay active in the game as a Jon Gruden has, and it's not like Gruden has been a rousing success this time around either.
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I thought Cowher was coming here when they fired Mangini.
Fool me once shame on me fool me twice...strike three.
I'm certainly not opposed to it. Vermeil was out of the game for 16 years and that turned out ok.
Vermeil was awful with the Rams until his 3rd year when he hired a new offensive coordinator in Mike Martz and got a new QB in Kurt Warner.
If you tell me that Bill Cowher is bringing in some fresh young offensive mind like Mike Martz was or Joe Brady is, then I can get on board. But if he's hiring some retread coordinators and trying to bring back the early 2000's Steelers, I'm not on board.
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Is sitting around 14 years good for a coach?
Look, if you tell me Cowher is studying football all the time, breaking down film, talking to assistant coaches, running camps, and doing all of that, maybe you can sell me. But do we have any proof of that? Most of his assistants from when he was a HC are either retired or out of the NFL. What's his coaching staff look like?
This just screams like a horrible Jets idea to make a big splash without having any clue of how to actually win.
He would literally be coaching a new generation of players, and he'd be the 5th-oldest coach in the league.
The case for Cowher is that he would be a Parcells-type figure who would lead us out of the doldrums and give us credibility. But 15 years ago is a long time in the NFL, and from what I can tell, Cowher hasn't done nearly as much to stay active in the game as a Jon Gruden has, and it's not like Gruden has been a rousing success this time around either.
One would assume he studies film as part of his job as an NFL analyst.
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One would assume he studies film as part of his job as an NFL analyst.
Right, but the amount of in-depth film analysis needed to be an NFL Today studio analyst covering big-picture storylines and a play-by-play analyst for a live game are completely different. Granted, some analysts mail it in with their tape study, too, but Gruden clearly did not.
I admit, I don't know how much Cowher does. Maybe Cowher is grinding All-22s all the time. I'm just skeptical.
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Vermeil was awful with the Rams until his 3rd year when he hired a new offensive coordinator in Mike Martz and got a new QB in Kurt Warner.
If you tell me that Bill Cowher is bringing in some fresh young offensive mind like Mike Martz was or Joe Brady is, then I can get on board. But if he's hiring some retread coordinators and trying to bring back the early 2000's Steelers, I'm not on board.
I'm not saying that they win a Super Bowl or have that prolific of an offense, but the idea that the Rams weren't primed that year to take a significant step forward with Trent Green at Quarterback is incorrect.
And then Dick up and left, went to Kansas City and once against oversaw the most potent offense in football.
FWIW, and this is speaking to your point, he can't bring back a lot of his Pittsburgh assistants unless he feels like coaxing a lot of guys out of retirement.
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Vermeil was awful with the Rams until his 3rd year when he hired a new offensive coordinator in Mike Martz and got a new QB in Kurt Warner.
If you tell me that Bill Cowher is bringing in some fresh young offensive mind like Mike Martz was or Joe Brady is, then I can get on board. But if he's hiring some retread coordinators and trying to bring back the early 2000's Steelers, I'm not on board.
I'm intrigued with a potential Cowher hire. I think he'd stabalize this team across the board.
Like you, i'm not a fan of retreads either. But Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid are still considered upper-echelon coaches in this league....all three have been dominating this league for awhile now and are from Cowher's era. I was going to include Gruden, but he's still finding his groove. Derek Carr has certainly salvaged his career under Gruden though.
It's not the worst idea.
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vermeil was awful with the rams until he hired gase to study and implement how to run and implement wheel routes with warner and faulk
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If Cowher was able to bring in some young hotshot OC that will take care of the passing game then I'm cool with it.
But Boomer was saying literally a week ago how happy Cowher was with his cushy TV gig.
I think the Cowher thing is straight smoke
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Looks like Michigan and Harbaugh are actually discussing a contract extension.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2020/12/07/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-contract-extension/6485351002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2020/12/07/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-contract-extension/6485351002/)
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Looks like Michigan and Harbaugh are actually discussing a contract extension.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2020/12/07/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-contract-extension/6485351002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2020/12/07/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-contract-extension/6485351002/)
good...they can keep him.
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The extension would offer Harbaugh a lower base salary than he currently has and a lower buyout figure, making it easier to fire him next year if needed
sounds like its just to lower the cost of dumping him, since everyone knows where this is going and the university is hemorrhaging money
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sounds like its just to lower the cost of dumping him, since everyone knows where this is going and the university is hemorrhaging money
If they're already fielding NFL enquiries then if all they wanted was to lose the cost then they'd let him talk to those teams. Sounds more like they want to give him one more chance and then get out for cheap if it doesn't work out.
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Sounds more like they want to give him one more chance and then get out for cheap if it doesn't work out.
We can only hope
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If they're already fielding NFL enquiries then if all they wanted was to lose the cost then they'd let him talk to those teams. Sounds more like they want to give him one more chance and then get out for cheap if it doesn't work out.
Yep. And I think Michigan would love Harbaugh to get an NFL job. They really don't want to fire him. He's a legend at Michigan, and firing him is very awkward. This helps him transition to the NFL if he wants it, I assume. Or it makes firing him easier if he can't get an NFL job.
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It also has the added bonus of appearing to recruits who are about to enter the early signing period that he will be there so they will still sign on the dotted line.
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It also has the added bonus of appearing to recruits who are about to enter the early signing period that he will be there so they will still sign on the dotted line.
Not convinced that's a selling point right now unless you're a lineman, he's not done a great job of getting skill players drafted during his time there.
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Not convinced that's a selling point right now unless you're a lineman, he's not done a great job of getting skill players drafted during his time there.
As long as he has recruits committed, it's a selling point for the University even if both are planning to part ways in 60 days.
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As long as he has recruits committed, it's a selling point for the University even if both are planning to part ways in 60 days.
I don't think you countered my point. Jim Harbaugh is not a selling point right now for skill players, because invariably skill players from Michigan are not getting drafted.
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I don't think you countered my point. Jim Harbaugh is not a selling point right now for skill players, because invariably skill players from Michigan are not getting drafted.
I still think Harbaugh can lean back on his NFL experience to show recruits he can get guys to the league, even if he hasn't actually done it at Michigan.
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I still think Harbaugh can lean back on his NFL experience to show recruits he can get guys to the league, even if he hasn't actually done it at Michigan.
Michigan have sent a bunch of good defensive players to the league in the last few years (Bush, Winovich, Uche, Gary, Peppers, Charlton) and a handful of ok to good linemen (Ruiz, Cole, Glasgow), but the best skill players they've had drafted are DPJ and Jake Butt. Either the recruitment is derriere or the development is - either way good talent is going to think twice about going to that program right now.
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Michigan have sent a bunch of good defensive players to the league in the last few years (Bush, Winovich, Uche, Gary, Peppers, Charlton) and a handful of ok to good linemen (Ruiz, Cole, Glasgow), but the best skill players they've had drafted are DPJ and Jake Butt. Either the recruitment is derriere or the development is - either way good talent is going to think twice about going to that program right now.
According to one site: https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2020-Football/Commits/
Their top commit is the #18 WR in the country, they also have the #12 RB and another 4 Star WR.
So regardless of the lack of development of these kids, there is still plenty of draw to Michigan. If Harbaugh leaves (or is perceived to be leaving) they could lose kids from this class that is overall the #14 class in the country by 247. Or at least have kids hold off on signing in December which means if Harbs does leave, they can go elsewhere.
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NFL Update
@MySportsUpdate
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Reports: Former #Bengals HC Marvin Lewis is expected to get HC interviews, his name is being brought up 'over and over again'
*shudder*
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NFL Update
@MySportsUpdate
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Reports: Former #Bengals HC Marvin Lewis is expected to get HC interviews, his name is being brought up 'over and over again'
*shudder*
Rooney
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Rooney
Damien Woody needs to STFU and stop pumping Lewis's tires.
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I don't really want Marvin Lewis, but if people are going to be making cases for freaking Bill Cowher, at least Marvin Lewis has had success more recently than Cowher with a much worse organization.
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#ExtendGase
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I don't really want Marvin Lewis, but if people are going to be making cases for freaking Bill Cowher, at least Marvin Lewis has had success more recently than Cowher with a much worse organization.
Lewis is 0-7 in the playoffs.
Cowher > Lewis
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Lewis is 0-7 in the playoffs.
Cowher > Lewis
The Bengals organization makes the Jets look like the New York Yankees.
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The Bengals organization makes the Jets look like the New York Yankees.
That's fine. I want a winner, not another mediocre bum.
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That's fine. I want a winner, not another mediocre bum.
Marvin Lewis to Jets confirmed.
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Marvin Lewis to Jets confirmed.
#FireLewis
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That's fine. I want a winner, not another mediocre bum.
I don't think he's mediocre in a CEO type of role. It would be a very underwhelming hire. The guy knows how to build a team and had a real shot at a title had Kimo von Oelhoffen not injured Carson Palmer with that cheap shot below the knees in the playoffs.
He understands the importance of scouting and hiring strong coordinators, at least.
I'd much rather hire him into some kind of advisory role or even as a defensive coordinator if he wants another crack at coaching.
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What's crazy to think about is that his first year with Cincinnati, they drafted Carson Palmer (an all-time great QB prospect) #1 overall.
Time is a flat circle?
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Of all the possible retreads Lewis is probably the least harmless. Not that I want him but I think he could develop a QB/the franchise to a reasonable point if given the chance.
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I don't think he's mediocre in a CEO type of role. It would be a very underwhelming hire. The guy knows how to build a team and had a real shot at a title had Kimo von Oelhoffen not injured Carson Palmer with that cheap shot below the knees in the playoffs.
He understands the importance of scouting and hiring strong coordinators, at least.
I'd much rather hire him into some kind of advisory role or even as a defensive coordinator if he wants another crack at coaching.
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What's crazy to think about is that his first year with Cincinnati, they drafted Carson Palmer (an all-time great QB prospect) #1 overall.
Time is a flat circle?
I'm absolutely fine with him coming on as a DC.....same goes for Vic Fangio. I'm just not enamored with him as a HC. I want someone with experience winning in the playoffs if we're gonna go with a CEO type retread.
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They had some crazy excrement happen in Cincinnati.
The Bengals had Pacman, Chad Johnson, Chris Henry, Ced Benson...what a bunch of nutjobs
Vontaze Burfict too
A team of villains
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They had some crazy excrement happen in Cincinnati.
The Bengals had Pacman, Chad Johnson, Chris Henry, Ced Benson...what a bunch of nutjobs
Chris Henry alien eyes will give kids nightmares.
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I want someone with experience winning in the playoffs if we're gonna go with a CEO type retread.
His playoff record is a bit misleading...
Carson Palmer injury
Vontaze Burfect and Pacman Jones lost their excrement and gifted the Steelers a win
Who knows how good Cincy would've been had Palmer never gotten hurt?
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His playoff record is a bit misleading...
Carson Palmer injury
Vontaze Burfect and Pacman Jones lost their excrement and gifted the Steelers a win
Who knows how good Cincy would've been had Palmer never gotten hurt?
he also lost 2 home playoff games to Rex in consecutive years.
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he also lost 2 home playoff games to Rex in consecutive years.
No shame in that. We beat some really good teams in the playoffs back then.
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No shame in that. We beat some really good teams in the playoffs back then.
I'm hoping the #1 pick can attract a better option than Marvin Lewis.
Marvin is more of a #2 pick kinda guy.
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It’s fun watching MB slowly talk himself into agreeing that hiring Marvin Lewis is a good idea.
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It’s fun watching MB slowly talk himself into agreeing that hiring Marvin Lewis is a good idea.
I'd hire Hitler if it meant Gase is done here
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Why is Marvin Lewis being discussed.
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Why is Marvin Lewis being discussed.
Damien Woody has a hard-on for Lewis on twitter
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Damien Woody has a hard-on for Lewis on twitter
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1336733821207597057?s=21
Joe Douglas softening the blow through his boy DJ
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“It’s not just a rumor, but if you want Bill Cowher to come back to coaching you have to convince him”
Per: @nateburleson on GMFB
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Of all the possible retreads Lewis is probably the least harmless. Not that I want him but I think he could develop a QB/the franchise to a reasonable point if given the chance.
So he's the most harmful?
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“It’s not just a rumor, but if you want Bill Cowher to come back to coaching you have to convince him”
Per: @nateburleson on GMFB
Securing the #1 pick should take care of that
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Securing the #1 pick should take care of that
If Trevor Lawerence, a metric ton of cap space and draft capital can't, (assuming we wanted him) then nothing would short of him taking over for Reid in KC if he had to step down for some unexpected health reason
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What the hell I will pay for the site for the next ten years.
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I think my top four are Smith, Saleh, Campbell and Brady.
Could be fun to bring in Aaron Glenn in as a DC.
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Seeing Marvin Lewis' name popping up on Twitter as a possibility.
I'll just leave that here and check back.
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Seeing Marvin Lewis' name popping up on Twitter as a possibility.
I'll just leave that here and check back.
About two pages too late
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Marvin Lewis, I would rather Jerry Lewis, heck even Lewis Skolnick.
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What the hell I will pay for the site for the next ten years.
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Loggase is back, tell a friend
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Marvin Lewis, I would rather Jerry Lewis, heck even Lewis Skolnick.
Skolnick Electronics pocket protectors for everyone.
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Lewis: There's 6,127 students at Adams, 58% of which are girls.
Gilbert: So?
Lewis: So, that's 7,107.32 boobs.
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Skolnick Electronics pocket protectors for everyone.
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“Jets announce dismissal of hC Sklonich after multiple women lodge sexual harassment complaints, including a rape allegation stemming from a school costume function.”
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Lewis: There's 6,127 students at Adams, 58% of which are girls.
Gilbert: So?
Lewis: So, that's 7,107.32 boobs.
EAT A PIE FOR CHARITY
"hey, that's MY pie"
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About two pages too late
Sorry bro, I'm already in off season skimming the board mode.
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EAT A PIE FOR CHARITY
"hey, that's MY pie"
MBGreen already hates the next coach and wants him proactively fired.
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MBGreen already hates the next coach and wants him proactively fired.
not likely, I'm on the selection committee.
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Sign this beast
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1340363343744393216
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Who runs our offense might be more important than who the head coach is.
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Who runs our offense might be more important than who the head coach is.
No
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Pat Fitzgerald is drawing tons of interest. I think he'll take the Chicago Bears job if it opens up.
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Jaguars also just leapfrogged us on the coaching pecking order.
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Pucker up for Jeff Fisher or Leslie Frazier
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Jaguars also just leapfrogged us on the coaching pecking order.
What's Pat Shurmur doing these days?
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Extend Gase
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What's Pat Shurmur doing these days?
Helping Brett Rypien put his dong in Gase's bunghole back in October
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New low point in the season every day seems like
Hello darkness my old friend
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Harbaugh couldn't even develop QBs at Michigan
He can freak off , I want 0 part of him
Joe Brady is the only choice at this point.
All thoughts of an established prospective HC died when Lawrence went out the window
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Brady and Bienemy are acceptable
It's all pointless anyways thebkohnsons won't even let Douglas pick lol
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Considering the leverage presumably lost, I'm much more on the Harbaugh train then I was. Beggars can't be choosers and all of that. Can't argue with 44-19-1 and the wilderness that franchise found itself in pre and post his tenure.
I'm not opposed to Brady, I want no part of Bieniemy and I'd be very interested in Arthur Smith.
Gotta assume the "Pederson is getting shitcanned" has settled down now that they're getting competent quarterback play again and looking competitive.
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Can't argue with 44-19-1 and the wilderness that franchise found itself in pre and post his tenure.
What wilderness? They lost in the Super Bowl last season.
We can argue all day, every day about how awful Jim Harbaugh has been at Michigan.
Let us not forget that you were excited for Adam Gase.
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Im hoping someone like Brian Daboll takes pity on us and wants to be our HC.
We're gonna need someone who can develop a QB regardless who's taking the snaps.
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I'm good with anybody but Adam Gase, Jim Harbaugh, and Eric Bieniemy.
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They lost in the Super Bowl last season...
Yeah, a half-decade and two other regimes later.
They had success when Mariucci was the coach, inexplicably hired Dennis Erickson after Mooch lost in the divisional playoffs (after the Giants gifted them a win in that years wild-card) and then went on a "run" of futility for about 10 years with the likes of Erickson, Mike Nolan (cameo appearance by a certain fat piece of excrement who's been dragged to every professional success he ever had by Aaron Rodgers as offensive coordinator for a little while) and Mike Singletary (I WANT WINNERS!).
Harbaugh and to a very underrated extent, Vic Fangio get there and the team instantaneously rights the ship. He gets fired and its back to the outhouse with the likes of Jim Tomsula (special guest appearance by the Mangenius as defensive coordinator) and a year of Chip Kelly before Shanahan gets there and turns it around in year 3.
Shanahan's resurrected that franchise, but they went from the toilet, to going to three NFC title games in four years and a super bowl, back to the shitter.
Again, I'm nowhere near as jazzed by a Harbaugh hire as I would've been two years ago, but I won't be pissed either. The ultimate meh hire.
I'm good with anybody but Adam Gase, Jim Harbaugh, and Eric Bieniemy.
This ownership is totally capable of hiring fuckin Marty Morhinweg.
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That team sucked in 2014. Those players finally got tired of his excrement. He tried to make a power play and they got rid of him.
"Half a decade" = one season of Tomsula and one season of Kelly
I wish we only sucked for "half a decade"
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That team sucked in 2014. Those players finally got tired of his excrement. He tried to make a power play and they got rid of him.
"Half a decade" = one season of Tomsula and one season of Kelly
I wish we only sucked for "half a decade"
Half a decade equals five years, I'm not conjuring up random methods of measurement here.
He tried to make a power play that in hindsight he should've probably gotten considering how well Baalke did when Harbaugh got fired. Coaches usually get more personnel power when they go to dumpster fires and turn it around in a very big way.
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That team sucked in 2014. Those players finally got tired of his excrement. He tried to make a power play and they got rid of him.
"Half a decade" = one season of Tomsula and one season of Kelly
I wish we only sucked for "half a decade"
Oh man. I forgot Tomsula existed. Remember some people actually defended that?
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Jack Del Rio
Jeff Fisher
Jim Harbaugh (maybe)
Mike Tice
Bill OBrien
Rob Chudzinski
John Fox
Lovie Smith
Leslie Frazier
Raheem Morris
Dan Quinn
Jim Caldwell
Just trying to think of all the "retread slop" the Johnsons will pick from now that our golden ticket is toast.
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Jack Del Rio
Jeff Fisher
Jim Harbaugh (maybe)
Mike Tice
Bill OBrien
Rob Chudzinski
John Fox
Lovie Smith
Leslie Frazier
Just trying to think of all the "retread slop" the Johnsons will pick from now that our golden ticket is toast.
Don’t forget Raheem Morris
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Don’t forget Raheem Morris
added to the list
can't forget Dan Quinn either.
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Half a decade equals five years, I'm not conjuring up random methods of measurement here.
He tried to make a power play that in hindsight he should've probably gotten considering how well Baalke did when Harbaugh got fired. Coaches usually get more personnel power when they go to dumpster fires and turn it around in a very big way.
Yeah man, they got to a Super Bowl five years after he left.
Our team hasn’t been since then 60s.
“Half a decade of wilderness” is hilarious.
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Yeah man, they got to a Super Bowl five years after he left.
Our team hasn’t been since then 60s.
“Half a decade of wilderness” is hilarious.
No you're right, the Harbaugh firing was definitely a good move for the 49ers in hindsight.
Not every franchise goes through the absolute ten years of futility that the Jets have bestowed upon us. We root for the freaking Mariners. We're the Bengals of the early 90's. Considering there's 31 other teams, it's absolutely atypical.
The 9ers have literally been through two successful rebuilds during the time the Jets haven't made the playoffs.
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Marvin Lewis doesn't sound too bad right now
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Marvin Lewis doesn't sound too bad right now
He's near the top of my list now. We should be so lucky.
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Just bring Rex back if that's actually a consideration.
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Marvin Lewis fits the CEO mold and he's from the Ozzie Newsome School of Team Building.
Joe Douglas is using that blueprint.
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Just bring Rex back if that's actually a consideration.
Yes, let's go back to spending our next 6 first round picks on Defense and neglecting the offense.
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Marvin Lewis fits the CEO mold and he's from the Ozzie Newsome School of Team Building.
Joe Douglas is using that blueprint.
Was Joe Douglas in Baltimore when Lewis was a DC there? I'm hoping there's a connection.
EDIT: turns out they were together in Baltimore in 2000 and 2001.
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Yes, let's go back to spending our next 6 first round picks on Defense and neglecting the offense.
That wasn't really his fault.
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Marvin Lewis fits the CEO mold and he's from the Ozzie Newsome School of Team Building.
Joe Douglas is using that blueprint.
And Marvin Lewis has had success in an organization that is significantly worse than our organization.
I don't want Marvin Lewis. But there is a case to be made that he would bring us credibility.
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That wasn't really his fault.
he had a voice at that table
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And Marvin Lewis has had success in an organization that is significantly worse than our organization.
I don't want Marvin Lewis. But there is a case to be made that he would bring us credibility.
With Lawrence kinda off the table, Lewis may not want us.
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With Lawrence kinda off the table, Lewis may not want us.
Good.
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Good.
Who's going to want to coach this team in your mind? Serious question.
Keep in mind, we've treated a few players like excrement....our reporting structure is retarded....our reputation around the league is the worst it's ever been.
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#RexRedux
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Who's going to want to coach this team in your mind? Serious question.
Keep in mind, we've treated a few players like excrement....our reporting structure is retarded....our reputation around the league is the worst it's ever been.
There's 32 of those jobs. Teams that have openings are very ever rarely a perfect fit, otherwise the job wouldn't be open.
The Jags have vaulted to becoming the most attractive position available (even with excrement ownership and existing in the cesspool of duval county florida).
But with the exception of the Texans solely because of DeShaun, whats the attractive job? Atlanta? Detroit?
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There's 32 of those jobs. Teams that have openings are very ever rarely a perfect fit, otherwise the job wouldn't be open.
The Jags have vaulted to becoming the most attractive position available (even with excrement ownership and existing in the cesspool of duval county florida).
But with the exception of the Texans solely because of DeShaun, whats the attractive job? Atlanta? Detroit?
This. The Jets had been the most attractive job out there with Lawrence, our draft picks, and our cap space. Now that honor belongs to the Jaguars. Since we're in bigger QB no-man's land than Atlanta, Detroit and Houston, I can't say our job is clearly better than any of those jobs, but all of those jobs have other issues as well.
The crappy part is that if there is a coach that we want, we now have 2nd choice (at best), where we probably would have had 1st choice. But I agree with the general though that there are 32 of these jobs out there, and people will want them.
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There's 32 of those jobs. Teams that have openings are very ever rarely a perfect fit, otherwise the job wouldn't be open.
The Jags have vaulted to becoming the most attractive position available (even with excrement ownership and existing in the cesspool of duval county florida).
But with the exception of the Texans solely because of DeShaun, whats the attractive job? Atlanta? Detroit?
sure, that's a valid point. But having said that, we've have a history of coaches telling us to freak off despite there being only 32 of these jobs (ie Bill Belichick, Bill Cowher, Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Rhule, Matt Campbell to name a few).
Trevor Lawrence made the Jets job extremely attractive.....attractive enough to overcome the stink of this franchise. That's a big reason why the tank was important.
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Jack Del Rio
Jeff Fisher
Jim Harbaugh (maybe)
Mike Tice
Bill OBrien
Rob Chudzinski
John Fox
Lovie Smith
Leslie Frazier
Raheem Morris
Dan Quinn
Jim Caldwell
Just trying to think of all the "retread slop" the Johnsons will pick from now that our golden ticket is toast.
added perennial powerhouse Jim Caldwell to the list
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But having said that, we've have a history of coaches telling us to freak off despite there being only 32 of these jobs (ie Bill Belichick, Bill Cowher, Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Rhule, Matt Campbell to name a few).
There is that segment of the fan base who loudly wants the coach fired within days of him being hired.
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There is that segment of the fan base who loudly wants the coach fired within days of him being hired.
Stop hiring shitty coaches then. See how it easy it is to solve that problem?
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I have no idea who is best to hire. Glad I could add that wisdom.
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Stop hiring shitty coaches then. See how it easy it is to solve that problem?
Hasn't looked easy. Since Rex we've gone down two steps at a time.
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Hasn't looked easy. Since Rex we've gone down two steps at a time.
Those 2 years of Rex are the pinnacle of your fandom eh...you must've slept thru the last 4 years (and the 2 in Buffalo).
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Marvin Lewis doesn't sound too bad right now
At first I was like GTFO, but the more I think about it, it makes sense. Lewis could serve as a 2-3 year stopgap, that would bring stability and help build culture here. Akin to how John Fox was in Denver. We/he'd just need to bring in an heir apparent as OC/DC/aHC to take over the reins.
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Those 2 years of Rex are the pinnacle of your fandom eh...you must've slept thru the last 4 years (and the 2 in Buffalo).
Please please please don't start this up again
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Those 2 years of Rex are the pinnacle of your fandom eh...you must've slept thru the last 4 years (and the 2 in Buffalo).
Been a Jet fan 47 years, we've made back to back AFC Championship Games once. Won playoff games in back to back years once. The one Parcells year was good, so were a couple with Walt Michaels (Google him). So yeah, those two Rex years were about as good as it's been.
Keep clamoring for the next guy though, you're doing great.
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Been a Jet fan 47 years, we've made back to back AFC Championship Games once. Won playoff games in back to back years once. The one Parcells year was good, so were a couple with Walt Michaels (Google him). So yeah, those two Rex years were about as good as it's been.
Keep clamoring for the next guy though, you're doing great.
Regardless of our past decisions you have got to agree that Gase needs to GTFO. Most of us wanted him gone before he was hired, but he’s clearly proven that he isn’t getting it done under any metric other than most recent win in franchise history
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Been a Jet fan 47 years, we've made back to back AFC Championship Games once. Won playoff games in back to back years once. The one Parcells year was good, so were a couple with Walt Michaels (Google him). So yeah, those two Rex years were about as good as it's been.
Keep clamoring for the next guy though, you're doing great.
Until we hired Gase, "the next guy" had typically been a good decision in the short term. Until Gase, every 1st-year Jets coach since Parcells had a winning record. They just couldn't sustain it for a variety of reasons.
I agree with you that people are quick to turn on our coaches. I didn't want Gase hired from the start, but once he was hired, I was willing to give him what I viewed as a fair chance. I didn't love year 1, but I didn't think it was enough to fire him. Others never wanted to give him any shot, and they proved out to be right. I was one of the first people off the Bowles bandwagon, even though I liked the hire, and I proved to be right there.
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At first I was like GTFO, but the more I think about it, it makes sense. Lewis could serve as a 2-3 year stopgap, that would bring stability and help build culture here. Akin to how John Fox was in Denver. We/he'd just need to bring in an heir apparent as OC/DC/aHC to take over the reins.
Agree with this. Lewis would be a good choice if the Jets can't land someone like Matt Campbell
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Lewis might not be the answer but he would leave the team in better condition than he left it. He’s also the coach I would trust with a developmental QB so long as the Steelers didn’t destroy said QB in his sophomore season.
Kimo Von Oelhoffen is my third least favorite Jet.
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Please please please don't start this up again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMqAfg8pRRg
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I would so much rather go bold with a Joe Brady.
Look if its a disaster, how long until Arch turns pro? What's four more years of futility at this point.
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Marvin Lewis?
We talking Marvin Lewis?
*insert AI pic*
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I would so much rather go bold with a Joe Brady.
Look if its a disaster, how long until Arch turns pro? What's four more years of futility at this point.
It isn't easy to get the top pick. Look at us this year.
When you have a chance to get the top pick in a great QB draft, you have to take advantage. Sigh.
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It isn't easy to get the top pick. Look at us this year.
When you have a chance to get the top pick in a great QB draft, you have to take advantage. Sigh.
It’s also quite possibly going to be the first year in NFL history with multiple 1-15 teams. So yeah that too
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Lmao can you believe the natives over in Pittsburgh are actually talking about firing Tomlin if they lose out?
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Lmao can you believe the natives over in Pittsburgh are actually talking about firing Tomlin if they lose out?
Yes.
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Lmao can you believe the natives over in Pittsburgh are actually talking about firing Tomlin if they lose out?
And if they do, I hope Joe Douglas is waiting at his car outside his office in Pittsburgh as he’s cleaning out his office
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Steelers fans are morons. If they fire Tomlin the Jets should jump on that train.
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fans always stay stupid excrement. do you see the steelers organization doing stupid excrement like that? there's a reason why they've had 3 coaches in like 50 years
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Yes.
Seriously, the entitlement of those freaking losers. Its infuriating.
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Seriously, the entitlement of those freaking losers. Its infuriating.
Reminds me of the college ball fans of perennially competitive teams.
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Reminds me of the college ball fans of perennially competitive teams.
Even worse are the college ball fans of faded programs.
There actually are people in Michigan who think Urbans coming.
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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ICYMI: Big news on the head coaching search front, with virtual interviews now allowed with permission starting today. I’m told a number of teams expressed the feeling: With no travel, why wait? Hence the surprise jump start on a unique process this year.
Might be in the Jets' best interest to fire Gase sooner rather than later.
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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ICYMI: Big news on the head coaching search front, with virtual interviews now allowed with permission starting today. I’m told a number of teams expressed the feeling: With no travel, why wait? Hence the surprise jump start on a unique process this year.
Might be in the Jets' best interest to fire Gase sooner rather than later.
Why? Can you not search for a new coach while you have one?
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Why? Can you not search for a new coach while you have one?
I don't think it's proper etiquette to interview potential HC candidates while still employing one.
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With hopes of Trevor all but gone, I expect us to either keep Gase to continue to "develop" Sam or select another underwhelming head coach to ruin the next QB that will start for us.
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With hopes of Trevor all but gone, I expect us to either keep Gase to continue to "develop" Sam or select another underwhelming head coach to ruin the next QB that will start for us.
Jesus man....i hope someone puts some zoloft in your xmas stocking this year.
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With hopes of Trevor all but gone, I expect us to either keep Gase to continue to "develop" Sam or select another underwhelming head coach to ruin the next QB that will start for us.
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edit: ? ? ?
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There is no case to bring Adam Gase back.
That said, I do wonder if Gase watches all these different plays where there are wide open receivers and Sam just ignores them and wonders how his career would have gone if Darnold just made the throws he was supposed to.
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There is no case to bring Adam Gase back.
That said, I do wonder if Gase watches all these different plays where there are wide open receivers and Sam just ignores them and wonders how his career would have gone if Darnold just made the throws he was supposed to.
full marks for that avatar, dude. *golf clap*
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Jesus man....i hope someone puts some zoloft in your xmas stocking this year.
There is no case to bring Adam Gase back.
That said, I do wonder if Gase watches all these different plays where there are wide open receivers and Sam just ignores them and wonders how his career would have gone if Darnold just made the throws he was supposed to.
I have been beaten into submission to now always expect the absolute worst with this franchise. If there is a way we can freak things up, we ALWAYS will
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I have been beaten into submission to now always expect the absolute worst with this franchise. If there is a way we can freak things up, we ALWAYS will
Optimism is on the rise. The only thing that could squash that is if by some miracle Gase keeps his job. I don't see it happening.
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Optimism is on the rise. The only thing that could squash that is if by some miracle Gase keeps his job. I don't see it happening.
Real talk: share with me what gives you optimism with this franchise.
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There is no case to bring Adam Gase back.
That said, I do wonder if Gase watches all these different plays where there are wide open receivers and Sam just ignores them and wonders how his career would have gone if Darnold just made the throws he was supposed to.
Yeah if only he had a QB like Ryan Tannehill
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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1h
ICYMI: Big news on the head coaching search front, with virtual interviews now allowed with permission starting today. I’m told a number of teams expressed the feeling: With no travel, why wait? Hence the surprise jump start on a unique process this year.
Might be in the Jets' best interest to fire Gase sooner rather than later.
They found a new way to do Rooney interviews even less seriously.
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There is no case to bring Adam Gase back.
But green team bad :(
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Real talk: share with me what gives you optimism with this franchise.
-Joe Douglas is a clear upgrade at GM
-Gase should be fired in less that 2 weeks
-tons of cap space
-top 2 pick
-4 first rounders over the next 2 drafts
-6 picks in the top 100 this year
-Zach Wilson looks quite good and could very well be a nice consolation prize if we lose out on TLawrence.
-We have some building blocks finally (franchise LT, Mims, Quinnen)
it's not all doom and gloom
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This should light some fires...
Gase in his postgame is the most I've liked him in 2 years. He actually seems like he cares about his players and tries really hard to win.
It's just unfortunate that he's an awful coach.
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This should light some fires...
Gase in his postgame is the most I've liked him in 2 years. He actually seems like he cares about his players and tries really hard to win.
It's just unfortunate that he's an awful coach.
he is one of the most clueless people i have ever gotten to witness, in any position, in any field, in any capacity, in my entire life. he is more lost and clueless than rob manfred
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So I know the basic thinking is we want an offensive HC to "develop the QB," and that the valid response is that the HC just needs to run the big picture and let coordinators and position coaches do their jobs... but then if your assistant coach does a great job he'll probably get a shot at HC elsewhere and maybe we'd be better off if our entrenched HC was hands on with development... I feel like I'm chasing my tail.
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So I know the basic thinking is we want an offensive HC to "develop the QB," and that the valid response is that the HC just needs to run the big picture and let coordinators and position coaches do their jobs... but then if your assistant coach does a great job he'll probably get a shot at HC elsewhere... I feel like I'm chasing my tail.
let's just start out with one good year where we have a QB prospect that we actually support with a good QB and OC
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So I know the basic thinking is we want an offensive HC to "develop the QB," and that the valid response is that the HC just needs to run the big picture and let coordinators and position coaches do their jobs... but then if your assistant coach does a great job he'll probably get a shot at HC elsewhere and maybe we'd be better off if our entrenched HC was hands on with development... I feel like I'm chasing my tail.
If he does a great enough job then at least one of two things should happen:
1. There should be a replacement on the current staff that you can promote.
2. The job will be very appealing for new candidates because the foundation is in place.
If the Jets have coordinators good enough for head coaching jobs then we shouldn't mind losing them (unless they end up in the division)
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let's just start out with one good year where we have a QB prospect that we actually support with a good QB and OC
I didn't hate the Darnold/Bates combo.
I think for Sanchez/Schotty most people were already half-turned on Schotty by 2009.
Geno/Mornhinweg... lol no
In 2002 with Pennington/Hackett had most people turned on Hackett yet or did that start in 2003-04?
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I didn't hate the Darnold/Bates combo.
I think for Sanchez/Schotty most people were already half-turned on Schotty by 2009.
Geno/Mornhinweg... lol no
In 2002 with Pennington/Hackett had most people turned on Hackett yet or did that start in 2003-04?
if my memory serves me correctly, paul hackett was our OC during the 01 season. we lost a game where he tried to run two plays in 13 seconds in the redzone and we couldn't pull it off. i was 11 years old at the time and even i was thinking about wtf we were trying to do there. i think that's when i turned on hackett
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People hated Hackett during his first year here with Herm, when Vinny was the starter. Once Pennington replaced Vinny the offense took off and people didn't hate Hackett anymore.
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I always enjoyed that the play the Jets ran during the infamous Joe Namath-Suzy Kolber interview was a draw play by Hackett. He loved the 2nd-and-long and 3rd-and-long draw.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30605057/sources-nfl-teams-ask-urban-meyer-interest-return-coaching
I know he has health issues, and I know he is a little bit shady sometimes, but I would take Urban. I also think he would hire a good coaching staff around him, which is one thing that I really like about him. Obviously, we wouldn't get Ryan Day, but if we like the idea of Ryan Day, why not hire the guy who helped mentor Ryan Day?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30604951/sources-jacksonville-jaguars-potential-draft-trevor-lawrence-become-attractive-destination-gm-head-coach-candidates
Schefter saying what pretty much everyone already recognized - the Jags now have a more appealing job.
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Ian Rapoport
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One name to consider when discussing head coach possibilities: #Ravens DC Wink Martindale. He’s considered to be one of the top candidates, and this season has only bolstered that. His staff targets include #Clemson OC Tony Elliott, and former HCs Marvin Lewis and Lovie Smith.
Not a fan of operation "Dink in the Wink" for HC....but i love his staff targets (especially if by some miracle we get back in the Trevor sweepstakes)
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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So much of this year’s searches figure to be about culture. Martindale could build it like Baltimore… and he’s led the NFL’s #1 defense since 2018. A finalist for the #Giants last year, the #Jets may take a look at him if they make a move.
aaaaaand....there it is.
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Schefter also was giving some Mike Kafka hype today as a potential coach. His name has been bandied about in the past. Not sure how I would feel about a QB I remember watching in college being the head coach of my NFL team, but if Steve Nash and Jason Kidd can coach my NBA team, why not..
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aaaaaand....there it is.
I’d much rather Saleh from San Fran if we go that route (former DC - culture builder, CEO of a football team route)
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If he does a great enough job then at least one of two things should happen:
1. There should be a replacement on the current staff that you can promote.
2. The job will be very appealing for new candidates because the foundation is in place.
If the Jets have coordinators good enough for head coaching jobs then we shouldn't mind losing them (unless they end up in the division)
A completely serious question
When was the last time (if ever) the Jets had an assistant that was hired away from us to be someone else’s HC? I know Pettine ended up a HC in Cleveland but that wasn’t directly from the Jets. But otherwise I don’t know that anyone has in the history of our franchise. That’s immeasurably sad, but also given our lack of success in 50 years, that’s not super surprising either
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I’d much rather Saleh from San Fran if we go that route (former DC - culture builder, CEO of a football team route)
Wink's choices for a staff (if he could land them) are very appealing....and would absolutely help stabalize this lockeroom
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Schefter also was giving some Mike Kafka hype today as a potential coach. His name has been bandied about in the past. Not sure how I would feel about a QB I remember watching in college being the head coach of my NFL team, but if Steve Nash and Jason Kidd can coach my NBA team, why not..
Kafka over Bieniemy
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Wink's choices for a staff (if he could land them) are very appealing....and would absolutely help stabalize this lockeroom
Sure but Marvin Lewis and Lovie Smith aren’t long for the coaching game, a year or 2 or 3 at best would be guess for how long they’d be around. Sure we can stabilize (maybe) but right as we are (theoretically) ready to compete we lose them.
Also I’d rather the better coach/coordinator in Saleh over Wink anyways
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Also I’d rather the better coach/coordinator in Saleh over Wink anyways
If you're going for a CEO type, why does this matter so much? Also, Wink's defenses in Baltimore have been every bit as good as Saleh's in San Francisco.
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Sure but Marvin Lewis and Lovie Smith aren’t long for the coaching game, a year or 2 or 3 at best would be guess for how long they’d be around. Sure we can stabilize (maybe) but right as we are (theoretically) ready to compete we lose them.
Also I’d rather the better coach/coordinator in Saleh over Wink anyways
What?
Lovie and Marvin are both 62 years old. You know who else is 62? Andy Reid.
Wade Phillips is still one of the best DCs in the league...he's 73.
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Wade Phillips is not in the league
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Wade Phillips is not in the league
He wants to come back..and he's an elite DC
He just needs to make sure he doesn't die.
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What?
Lovie and Marvin are both 62 years old. You know who else is 62? Andy Reid.
Wade Phillips is still one of the best DCs in the league...he's 73.
You’re telling me you expect Marvin Lewis to be a dc for whatever team hires him this offseason in 4 years? And Lovie Smith to be a position coach for that team 4 years from now?
I’ll admit Marvin and Lovies days as a HC may be over, but Whichever one would be Martindales position coach (can’t both be DCs) isn’t still in that role in 4 years.
And Andy Reid is a HC making far more money than a DC or position coach, and he has the best QB in the league which will make anyone want to stay in the game a lot longer than they “need” to. As for Wade Phillips there aren’t that many guys who coach that long. Will Lewis and Lovie be the exception? I suppose it’s possible
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If you're going for a CEO type, why does this matter so much? Also, Wink's defenses in Baltimore have been every bit as good as Saleh's in San Francisco.
I just assume that because one has performed better at his current job, he will do so at his next one.
But to be fair you are right Baltimore and SF have had two of the top defenses since their respective DCs took over. I just prefer Saleh.
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He wants to come back..and he's an elite DC
He just needs to make sure he doesn't die.
He is definitely not an elite DC in the modern NFL. Too resistant to changes. Rams defense has improved markedly this year after he left.
If the Jets wanna bring him in to help along a young HC with no experience it's probably worth the tradeoff, but by no means is Wade still elite at the defensive coordination part.
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He is definitely not an elite DC in the modern NFL. Too resistant to changes. Rams defense has improved markedly this year after he left.
If the Jets wanna bring him in to help along a young HC with no experience it's probably worth the tradeoff, but by no means is Wade still elite at the defensive coordination part.
Wade's defenses have been great everywhere he's been.
I never suggested the jets hire him
I brought him up because age is just a number when it comes to coaching.
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You’re telling me you expect Marvin Lewis to be a dc for whatever team hires him this offseason in 4 years? And Lovie Smith to be a position coach for that team 4 years from now?
I’ll admit Marvin and Lovies days as a HC may be over, but Whichever one would be Martindales position coach (can’t both be DCs) isn’t still in that role in 4 years.
And Andy Reid is a HC making far more money than a DC or position coach, and he has the best QB in the league which will make anyone want to stay in the game a lot longer than they “need” to. As for Wade Phillips there aren’t that many guys who coach that long. Will Lewis and Lovie be the exception? I suppose it’s possible
I have a suggestion...how about we worry about turning the franchise around first, then worry about which coaches will stay or go. How does that sound?
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CEO of a football team route
If you're going for a CEO type
Can we come up with a better comparison than this? Gase is in more of a "CEO type" role than most HCs in the league in that he answers directly to the shareholders, and I think we're all mostly in agreement that this is a poor arrangement. There are multiple reasons why a football head coach's role is really nothing like a CEO's. The GM is (or should be) far more comparable to a CEO.
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If you're going for a CEO type, why does this matter so much? Also, Wink's defenses in Baltimore have been every bit as good as Saleh's in San Francisco.
Alot of coaches have come from the Baltimore tree with little success. Id rather take Saleh and sf offensive staff member to be our o coordinator than wink and whomever
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Can we come up with a better comparison than this?
No
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Can we come up with a better comparison than this? Gase is in more of a "CEO type" role than most HCs in the league in that he answers directly to the shareholders, and I think we're all mostly in agreement that this is a poor arrangement. There are multiple reasons why a football head coach's role is really nothing like a CEO's. The GM is (or should be) far more comparable to a CEO.
Gase is absolutley not the ceo type, he’s like a really shitty QB coach that doesn’t know how to run a fully functioning team
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Gase is absolutley not the ceo type, he’s like a really shitty QB coach that doesn’t know how to run a fully functioning team
Yeah, I agree with this. Gase is the exact opposite of a CEO type. He's a guy who wants to run his offense, have a defensive guy run the defense, and not really have a clue how to put the whole thing together.
That said, I think "CEO type" is basically a synonym for a veteran coach in most cases. Most young coaches don't have the experience to know how to run the whole show. And I think coaches become more of the "CEO type" as they get older - it's much easier for a 6th-year coach to run the whole show than it is for a rookie head coach.
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Gase is absolutley not the ceo type, he’s like a really shitty QB coach that doesn’t know how to run a fully functioning team
Now read what I wrote.
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Now read what I wrote.
Todd Bowels is CEO coach
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This is becoming Kafkaesque
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This is becoming Kafkaesque
Mike Kafka hire incoming
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I wonder how many coaches get fired after 3-game winning streaks.
(Gase still would be fired).
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Condoleeza Rice for CEO HC
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Condoleeza Rice for CEO HC
We can save America from Marxism if we hire Kamala Harris as Jets HBCEO and stop her from becoming VP
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We can save America from Marxism if we hire Kamala Harris as Jets HBCEO and stop her from becoming VP
That's a lot to unpack in one short sentence but I think I like it.
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hbceo = head bitch CEO?
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hbceo = head bitch CEO?
historically black CEO
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Hackenberg bust CEO
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Half back CEO. Like a position coach but one who is better at telling other people how to coach the half backs than doing it himself.
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historically black CEO
Ding ding
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hbceo = head bitch CEO?
If I was going in that direction I would have used HBIC
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If I was going in that direction I would have used HBIC
Head Bitchha In Charge
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https://gbmwolverine.com/2020/12/29/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-deal-reportedly-done/
Harbaugh's extension is a done deal.
Thank the football gods.
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https://gbmwolverine.com/2020/12/29/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-deal-reportedly-done/
Harbaugh's extension is a done deal.
Thank the football gods.
Good
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https://gbmwolverine.com/2020/12/29/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-deal-reportedly-done/
Harbaugh's extension is a done deal.
Thank the football gods.
apparently likely to be low buyout with short years, so might actually be in order to help facilitate an NFL move
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apparently likely to be low buyout with short years, so might actually be in order to help facilitate an NFL move
freak off, mate
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apparently likely to be low buyout with short years, so might actually be in order to help facilitate an NFL move
Yeah, next season.
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Hire Harbaugh, sign Kaepernick, win championship
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Wink Martindale SZN
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Wink Martindale SZN
(https://i.ibb.co/s9Vt8sT/BC7333-F5-5-E99-4-A40-9562-0-E970-DD59323.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2y7cW0)
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The reason for the szn
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(https://i.ibb.co/s9Vt8sT/BC7333-F5-5-E99-4-A40-9562-0-E970-DD59323.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2y7cW0)
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The reason for the szn
I really don't want rex 2.0
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I really don't want rex 2.0
Rex was fat, this guy has Hoculi level biceps.
He was a consultant back in 2011 so he's been in the building.
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1344269625924706304?s=20
FLECK SZN
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1344269625924706304?s=20
FLECK SZN
I am very interested in this.
One does have to assume he knows to leave the row the boat excrement in college though, right? This organization already had Lou Holtz try and institute a fight song.
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Row the Boat is awesome. Bring it to the league.
If you don't know the story behind that, here:
https://www.twincities.com/2017/01/06/what-does-row-the-boat-mean-gophers-football-coach-p-j-fleck-explains/
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I do wonder if Fleck's style translates to NFL players. But he is a good college coach
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I do wonder if Fleck's style translates to NFL players. But he is a good college coach
As much as I like the guy, I think he absolutely has to go to a bare bones team so he can build the culture from scratch.
I feel the same way about Matt Campbell, because he will rub a lot of players the wrong way at first.
Fleck is a hell of a leader.
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Honestly, whoever they pick, I'm on board. Just let me know who and I'll start googling for fluff articles.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30605057/sources-nfl-teams-ask-urban-meyer-interest-return-coaching
I know he has health issues, and I know he is a little bit shady sometimes, but I would take Urban. I also think he would hire a good coaching staff around him, which is one thing that I really like about him. Obviously, we wouldn't get Ryan Day, but if we like the idea of Ryan Day, why not hire the guy who helped mentor Ryan Day?
https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-south/jacksonville-jaguars/urban-meyer-jaguars-job-eyeing-rumors
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1344269625924706304?s=20
FLECK SZN
I have absolutely no idea what the heck direction this coaching search is going to go, we have been linked to tons of guys over the course of the season, and there seem to be a myriad of quality candidates to choose from. I’ll be really curious to see who gets interviews and ultimately what direction we decide to go.
College
P.J. Fleck
Pat Fitzgerald
Matt Campbell
Ryan Day
Urban Meyer
Lincoln Riley
Offensive Coordinators
Joe Brady
Greg Roman
Pete Carmichael
Eric Bienemy
Brian Daboll
Arthur Smith
Defensive Coordinators
Wink Martindale
Robert Saleh
Retreads
Jim Caldwell
Bill Cowher
I think my realistic top 5 from this list is
1. Joe Brady
2. Robert Saleh
3. P.J. Fleck
4. Matt Campbell
5. Wink Martindale
I don’t believe guys like Urban Meyer, Lincoln Reilly, Ryan Day or Bill Cowher will be NFL coaches next year.
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https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-south/jacksonville-jaguars/urban-meyer-jaguars-job-eyeing-rumors
Take Justin Fields at 1
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Bill Cowher
Matt Campbell
Joe Brady
Wink Martindale
PJ Fleck
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Why is Bill Cowher on lists? He said he's done coaching. Might as well put Jimmy Johnson up there.
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Mike McDaniel
Arthur Smith
Eric Bieniemy
Robert Saleh
Byron Leftwich
Nick Siranni
PJ Fleck is sad you forgot about him
PJ Fleck is too good for the Jets
Probably...but so am I. And I'm still here.
So let's fire Gase, and hire Poon Juice Fleck.
#PoonJuiceSZN
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Take Justin Fields at 1
Can you imagine? The meltdown would be incredible. Have to think that if Meyer really wanted Fields they'd trade the #1.
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Take Justin Fields at 1
I'll eat my hat if this happens.
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Can you imagine? The meltdown would be incredible. Have to think that if Meyer really wanted Fields they'd trade the #1.
Until Fields lights up Clemson in the semifinals on Friday!
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Until Fields lights up Clemson in the semifinals on Friday!
If I wanted anything to do with Fields I’d say the best thing for us is Fields throwing for 500 yards and 5 TDs against Clemson while Lawrence throws 5 INTs and then Fields beats Alabama playing an even better game.
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Until Fields lights up Clemson in the semifinals on Friday!
JACKASS
I'LL KILL YOU
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Why is Bill Cowher on lists? He said he's done coaching. Might as well put Jimmy Johnson up there.
I think there was a small chance if we got the 1 pick.
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Nick Sirianni SZN
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Can you imagine? The meltdown would be incredible. Have to think that if Meyer really wanted Fields they'd trade the #1.
Yeah, he'd trade that pick. No one would take Fields over Lawrence.
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I have absolutely no idea what the heck direction this coaching search is going to go, we have been linked to tons of guys over the course of the season, and there seem to be a myriad of quality candidates to choose from. I’ll be really curious to see who gets interviews and ultimately what direction we decide to go.
College
P.J. Fleck
Pat Fitzgerald
Matt Campbell
Ryan Day
Urban Meyer
Lincoln Riley
Offensive Coordinators
Joe Brady
Greg Roman
Pete Carmichael
Eric Bienemy
Defensive Coordinators
Wink Martindale
Robert Saleh
Retreads
Jim Caldwell
Bill Cowher
I think my realistic top 5 from this list is
1. Joe Brady
2. Robert Saleh
3. P.J. Fleck
4. Matt Campbell
5. Wink Martindale
I don’t believe guys like Urban Meyer, Lincoln Reilly, Ryan Day or Bill Cowher will be NFL coaches next year.
Greg Roman but no Brian daboll?
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Yeah, he'd trade that pick. No one would take Fields over Lawrence.
Louis Riddick would
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Louis Riddick would
He's too busy looking retarded for pumping Dwayne Haskins' tires.
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Greg Roman but no Brian daboll?
I forgot about him and Arthur Smith. I imagine that I forgot several others
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Bring back Sal Alosi
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Bring back Sal Alosi
Looked him up to see what he was doing now and was not aware this happened:
On June 22, 2015, Alosi was involved in an altercation with rapper Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, over the coach's alleged harsh treatment of Combs's son Justin, who is on the Bruins football team. According to conflicting reports, Alosi either attempted to attack Combs with his hands, resulting in Combs using a kettlebell in self-defense, or Combs attempted to swing a kettlebell at Alosi's head but missed.
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Looked him up to see what he was doing now and was not aware this happened:
I 100% remember that story but I don’t know if it was revealed at the time in was Alosi involved
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Bring back Sal Alosi
He should be our head coach. We'll never give up a KO return TD.
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Looked him up to see what he was doing now and was not aware this happened:
I completely forgot about that. Good times.
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Tim McManus
@Tim_McManus
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Eagles DC Jim Schwartz intends to take a year off in 2021, sources tell ESPN
That's one chumpstain we don't have to worry JD will go near in the HC search.
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Tim McManus
@Tim_McManus
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Eagles DC Jim Schwartz intends to take a year off in 2021, sources tell ESPN
That's one chumpstain we don't have to worry JD will go near in the HC search.
I don't think there was really ever any danger of him being a HC candidate, but I wonder what this means (if anything) for Pederson.
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I don't think there was really ever any danger of him being a HC candidate, but I wonder what this means (if anything) for Pederson.
Anything from the Philly staff is a concern when JD is involved.
Luckily, Schwartz isn't an option....so it's a moot point now.
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I don't think there was really ever any danger of him being a HC candidate, but I wonder what this means (if anything) for Pederson.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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Eagles’ HC Doug Pederson is expected to return to Philadelphia next season, though he does have a meeting scheduled for Tuesday with team owner Jeffrey Lurie to discuss plans for the 2021 season, per @mortreport
and me.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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21m
Eagles’ HC Doug Pederson is expected to return to Philadelphia next season, though he does have a meeting scheduled for Tuesday with team owner Jeffrey Lurie to discuss plans for the 2021 season, per @mortreport
and me.
We need him to win this weekend and stick in Philly.
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We need him to win this weekend and stick in Philly.
It sounds like he'll be back in Philly next season.
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Would be intriguing if he did become available.
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We need him to win this weekend and stick in Philly.
Yes, I can see why an experienced head coach with a recent Super Bowl win and a proven track record of working with young QBs would be something you'd want to avoid.
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Yes, I can see why an experienced head coach with a recent Super Bowl win and a proven track record of working with young QBs would be something you'd want to avoid.
you're right...Wentz was amazing this season.
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Yes, I can see why an experienced head coach with a recent Super Bowl win and a proven track record of working with young QBs would be something you'd want to avoid.
People think that Frank Reich was the reason behind Doug's success.
Also, given where their current #1 pick currently sits compared to how he looked before Reich left, I don't think his "proven track record of working with young QBs" is a positive. Obviously, he did great with Foles, but did Foles just get hot for a few games?
I like that Pederson is an aggressive coach in terms of analytics (even if sometimes he might push it too far). I like his pedigree under Andy Reid. I like that he's won a Super Bowl. There's a lot to like with him. But Wentz's regression is a big negative. However, I could definitely be sold on Pederson.
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Among the candidates who are slated to be considered are Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bienemy, Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, Ravens defensive coordinator Don "Wink" Martindale, Titans offensive coordinator Arthur Smith and Rams defensive coordinator Brandon Staley to college coaches such as Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Michigan's Jim Harbaugh and Florida's Dan Mullen to everyone in between.
From Rap’s article on the Gase firing
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Dan Mullen SZN
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Dan Mullen SZN
freak off, no mate
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Woody is gonna fall in love with Wink Martindale. He didn't want to fire Rex, he had to.
Harbaugh wasn't the only great coach Martindale worked with at Cincinnati. Rex Ryan was the team's defensive coordinator for two years (1996-1997) and Martindale was his linebackers coach. When Martindale got his first NFL job with the Oakland Raiders in 1994, he became the linebackers coach under first-time defensive coordinator Rob Ryan (Rex's brother). Martindale and Rob worked together for five years there. Martindale is extremely close to the two brothers – so much that he's almost considered a third Ryan brother.
Rex and Rob Ryan are known as two of the most aggressive coaches in the NFL. They love to blitz and will take chances with their play-calling. Martindale is in the same mold.
"I'm an aggressive guy by nature," Martindale told the Denver Post in 2010. "I believe in physical, smart football, and I have an aggressive attitude about things."
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do we not think joe brady will get a serious shot?
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https://twitter.com/rotoworld_fb/status/1345486911377272833?s=21
Urban Meyer 'expects' to be Jaguars head coach
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It would be hilarious if we got Lawrence. Would continue the trend of guys falling to the Jets lap in the draft.
That said, I assume Urban would draft Trevor.
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Woody is gonna fall in love with Wink Martindale. He didn't want to fire Rex, he had to.
I just was reading a passage in Collision Low Crossers where Wink expresses his wish that Rex would get more involved with the offense. Says he understands Rex's hesitancy to mess with what one of his coordinators is doing but "how many times do you get the chance to be a head coach."
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Woody is gonna fall in love with Wink Martindale. He didn't want to fire Rex, he had to.
I'm fine with Wink provided he hires a competent OC.
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From Rap’s article on the Gase firing
Matt Eberflus could be a real darkhorse.
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If we hire Dan Mullen, I’m out
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The only guy I want that is not mentioned is Saleh, but it looks like he may be taking the Detroit job
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The only guy I want that is not mentioned is Saleh, but it looks like he may be taking the Detroit job
an arab native of dearborn michigan, makes complete sense and im sure that entire community is going to be very proud of that
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The only guy I want that is not mentioned is Saleh, but it looks like he may be taking the Detroit job
And Joe Brady
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And Joe Brady
Yup. Already saw him discussed, but good point
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Excerpts stolen from reddit:
From today's Athletic article here
Albeit a bit late, Christopher Johnson realized his mistake and moved on. He’s given full control of this team to Douglas. He’ll pick the next head coach, and has the green light to do whatever he wants in the draft and free agency. If he’s as good as those around the NFL believe, the Jets are in good hands.
And here from when JD was hired
Not only did Douglas secure complete control of the team’s 53-man roster, but his six-year contract gives him the kind of job security that is not offered to most first-time general managers. If Gase does not work out as head coach, Douglas has extra security. He would be able to hire his own head coach and continue molding the roster without much of a concern about his status with the team.
https://theathletic.com/2294619/2021/01/01/new-york-jets-nfl-draft-sam-darnold/?source=user_shared_article
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/08/jets-general-manager-joe-douglas-contract-leverage/
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Good. I see another OT in our future.
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Good. I see another OT in our future.
Just draft 1 in the first round every year until we have a backup tackle at an all-pro level. Then draft one more.
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About time....the Johnsons getting out of JD's way is the best thing I've heard in awhile.
Optimism climbing.
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About time....the Johnsons getting out of JD's way is the best thing I've heard in awhile.
Optimism climbing.
Seconded, if that's true then we're on the right track finally. No magic quarterback needed, just some good old fashioned business logic - hire good people, then get the freak out of their way.
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I really hope that is true.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1345764408396550147?s=19
No Ryan Day....I posted a few weeks ago that I figured he'd stay at Ohio St.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1345764408396550147?s=19
No Ryan Day....I posted a few weeks ago that I figured he'd stay at Ohio St.
I don’t think he will leave either, but let’s see what happens after the title game
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Schefter: ets are expected to make a big trade this off-season. Whole question is whether they trade QB Sam Darnold or the No. 2 pick to a team that intends to draft a QB. But GM Joe Douglas will be executing some sort of big trade, amongst their many moves.
Generic fluff rumor
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Generic fluff rumor
I mean it makes a lot of sense. Either plan to draft a QB and trade Sam or stick with Sam and trade the #2 to a QB desperate team.
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I mean it makes a lot of sense. Either plan to draft a QB and trade Sam or stick with Sam and trade the #2 to a QB desperate team.
I know, its just vague.
"I expect some things to go down!"
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Generic fluff rumor
Thanks, Fluffy.
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1345788026430099456?s=19
Yuck
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What if I told you there was...
...an offensive-minded coach
...who has proven he can beat the Patriots, both in the playoffs and recently
...who is leading one of the best offenses in the NFL
...who has had a ton of experience as an offensive coordinator
...who is the son of an NFL coach
...who has ties to the New York Jets
(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/150250-780x750.jpg)
Head Coach Brian Schottenheimer
Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan
HERE WE GO!
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Good news is we are apparently going to interview the entire NFL and college coaching ranks.
Bad news, we are likely to take 8 years to make a decision and we are going to end up pissed off in the end.
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1345788026430099456?s=19
Yuck
SBTG
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SBTG
Not by much....hard pass
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Let me be clear: I do not want Brian Schottenheimer.
That said, I don't really view his poor playcalling with us as that much of a negative. So much more to being a head coach than that. If he can manage a roster, hire a good coaching staff, lead the team, and make positive in-game decisions, I'm fine with him. I have no idea which of our candidates can do that and which can't.
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Let me be clear: I do not want Brian Schottenheimer.
That said, I don't really view his poor playcalling with us as that much of a negative. So much more to being a head coach than that. If he can manage a roster, hire a good coaching staff, lead the team, and make positive in-game decisions, I'm fine with him. I have no idea which of our candidates can do that and which can't.
I don't even like talking about this
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I don't even like talking about this
i'm right here with this. we all literally want to free ourselves from the torture that is the 'mind' of adam gase. why would we go from him to another guy whose M.O. with us was literally contradictory/nonsensical excrement like 'i'm going to try and outsmart the other team by outsmarting myself'?
no to schotty
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It's time for these clowns we have as owners to stay out of the hiring process and let JD handle it. They can bless the hire but less is more when it comes to their involvement. Their meddling, brought us Idzik and Duff.
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Prolly should give Rob Salad a call. I guess he took time off from Fast and Furious 27 to shut down the Seahawks.
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Dick Cimini: Dynamics of #Jets coaching search, per source:
CEO Christopher Johnson, team president Hymie Elhai and GM Joe Douglas will conduct it.
Douglas, whose opinion carries most weight b/o of football background, will make recommendation. Johnson will make final decision.
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Dick Cimini: Dynamics of #Jets coaching search, per source:
CEO Christopher Johnson, team president Hymie Elhai and GM Joe Douglas will conduct it.
Douglas, whose opinion carries most weight b/o of football background, will make recommendation. Johnson will make final decision.
Johnson should wait outside on all interviews and football decisions
Wtf is a Hymie?
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Costello: And one thing about the early coaching candidate lists. They are based on who the hot names are, nothing else. The Jets are not telling anyone who they are focused on yet. Remember with the Giants search last year, Joe Judge was not a hot name at the outset and he got the job.
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Wtf is a Hymie?
Been with the Jets since forever. Pretty sure he was involved with hiring Gase.
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Been with the Jets since forever. Pretty sure he was involved with hiring Gase.
He should be floating face-down down the Hudson then.
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Sounds like Doug is running things. As owners, the Johnsons should have a right to be hear from the candidates, but they really shouldn't stand in Big Doug's way.
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Johnson should wait outside on all interviews and football decisions
Wtf is a Hymie?
He's the new Neil Glat
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Sounds like Doug is running things. As owners, the Johnsons should have a right to be hear from the candidates, but they really shouldn't stand in Big Doug's way.
Owners are always involved in a HC search. As long as they're just rubber stamping, and Douglas has the day to day management responsibility, I'm good with it.
Slightly curious that it's Chris and not Woody. I can't see any way that Biden leaves a Trump donor in a key ambassadorial appointment, is Woody not interested? Is this Chris's team now?
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He's the new Neil Glat
Can we call him Stymie instead?
I feel like he stymied this team for the last 2 years because he helped hire Gase.
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Owners are always involved in a HC search. As long as they're just rubber stamping, and Douglas has the day to day management responsibility, I'm good with it.
Slightly curious that it's Chris and not Woody. I can't see any way that Biden leaves a Trump donor in a key ambassadorial appointment, is Woody not interested? Is this Chris's team now?
Woody is back on jan 21...he could still join the fray
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Woody is back on jan 21...he could still join the fray
Is that confirmed? I would have thought that current ambassadors would remain in place until their replacement is appointed, unless they choose to step down. The fact that Dick says that Chris is running it suggests that he's the man.
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Is that confirmed? I would have thought that current ambassadors would remain in place until their replacement is appointed, unless they choose to step down. The fact that Dick says that Chris is running it suggests that he's the man.
I could see Woody needing a break from his fake job before wanting to pick up the reins of his previous fake job.
Maybe he'll go skiing?
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Is that confirmed? I would have thought that current ambassadors would remain in place until their replacement is appointed, unless they choose to step down. The fact that Dick says that Chris is running it suggests that he's the man.
It's confirmed that he'll be back in NY on jan 21
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I could see Woody needing a break from his fake job before wanting to pick up the reins of his previous fake job.
Maybe he'll go skiing?
I know that if I were a billionaire with no real job, that's exactly what I'd be doing.
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Is that confirmed? I would have thought that current ambassadors would remain in place until their replacement is appointed, unless they choose to step down. The fact that Dick says that Chris is running it suggests that he's the man.
I think his plan was always to leave after 4 years regardless of who won the 2020 election.
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I think his plan was always to leave after 4 years regardless of who won the 2020 election.
You can't fire me, I quit!
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Bracing myself for the following names to be linked in the coming days:
Bill O'Brien
Josh McDaniels
Brian Schottenheimer
Jason Garrett
Steve Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier (RR)
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Bracing myself for the following names to be linked in the coming days:
Bill O'Brien
Josh McDaniels
Brian Schottenheimer
Jason Garrett
Steve Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier (RR)
My reaction to each -
Cautious optimism:
McDaniels
Moderate anxiety:
O'Brien
Garrett
Schotty
Depressed apathy:
Spags
Frazier
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I look forward to the ensuing murder/suicide pact between JE and Heiss when we hire Bieniemy. It’ll be a nice break from the normal news cycle.
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I look forward to the ensuing murder/suicide pact between JE and Heiss when we hire Bieniemy. It’ll be a nice break from the normal news cycle.
SBTG
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I’d take Schotty over Bieniemy
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I’d take Schotty over Bieniemy
I sincerely doubt either wants the job.
#greenteambad
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I’d take Schotty over Bieniemy
Oof, that's a bold take. I feel like I'm not as opposed to Schotty as some, but he does feel a bit Gase-like. I'm not concerned about it as I can't believe he'd have the brass balls to think he could overcome the existing baggage, so I doubt he'd interview even if he was invited.
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I’d take Schotty over Bieniemy
JACKASS I'LL KILL YOU
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I don't think the fanbase would accept Schotty after Gase. I don't think Schotty is even a bad choice, especially if he's not calling the plays - I just think there would be negative reaction from the fans, and I think the Johnsons are worried about season tickets.
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Schotty wasn’t bad. Sanchez was.
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Schotty wasn’t bad. Sanchez was.
No. Just no.
Schotty was only good in '06, when his cute shifts and all actually worked.
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Schotty would probably bring over a veteran backup for the rookie as well. Probably someone who knows the system. Anyone know who Russell Wilson's backup is?
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After the abuse we endured the past two years with this clown as coach, I don't really have a strong opinion about who we hire. Anyone would be SBTG
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Schotty would probably bring over a veteran backup for the rookie as well. Probably someone who knows the system. Anyone know who Russell Wilson's backup is?
I see what you're doing here, and I hate it.
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Schotty would probably bring over a veteran backup for the rookie as well. Probably someone who knows the system. Anyone know who Russell Wilson's backup is?
Probably an experienced DC too, someone he's worked with before who is familiar with the Jets.
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https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30537412/play-matchmaker-nfl-head-coach-carousel-make-your-pick-texans-lions-falcons-jobs
Byron Leftwich was a name I wasn't expecting to see
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A list of names Cimini excrement out onto an article. (https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/85314/new-york-jets-coaching-candidates-coordinators-connections-to-gm-joe-douglas)
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https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30537412/play-matchmaker-nfl-head-coach-carousel-make-your-pick-texans-lions-falcons-jobs
Byron Leftwich was a name I wasn't expecting to see
I don’t want either, but I’d take Leftwich over Bieniemy in two freaking seconds. At least he calls the plays over in Tampa.
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Bieniemy has called the plays in KC for the last two seasons.
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Bieniemy has called the plays in KC for the last two seasons.
Reid is the primary play-caller, as he was when Pederson and Nagy were there. Towards the end of Nagy’s run he ceded play-calling duty to him, maybe he’s done the same with Bieniemy (in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Bieniemy called the shots in yesterday’s game.)
It’s the Reid and Mahomes show over there, for obvious reasons.
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Every article on Bieniemy for the last two seasons has stated that he has taken over play-calling.
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If you have Mahomes, Hill and Kelce you can call a lot of cool plays.
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Every article on Bieniemy for the last two seasons has stated that he has taken over play-calling.
He is not the primary playcaller. He calls plays in certain situations, but Reid is in control.
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He is not the primary playcaller. He calls plays in certain situations, but Reid is in control.
Sure
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For the record, I absolutley do not want Eric Bieniemy or Byron Leftwich.
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schotty can DIAF
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Schotty and Geno Redemption Tour 2021.
Ok, I need to shower after typing that.
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Speaking of members of Rex’s old staff, I think it’s a given that Lynn at least gets interviewed here if/when he gets let go from Los Angeles.
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Speaking of members of Rex’s old staff, I think it’s a given that Lynn at least gets interviewed here if/when he gets let go from Los Angeles.
Certainly hope not.
Maybe for an OC position.
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With ths Eberflus and Bieniemy interviews announced, I need some Matt Campbell and Pat Fitzgerald news
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#Jets have requested interview with Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy, per @AdamSchefter. They interviewed him in 2019. Also expected to request Titans OC Arthur Smith. Submitted request for Colts DC Matt Eberflus, as @TomPelissero said. Process is underway.
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Rich Cimini: Connor McGovern came out of Johnson/Douglas team meeting thinking #Jets will look for “a CEO kind of guy” who will “manage whole team” and “change culture.”
Sir Jonathan English will be upset about this
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Sir Jonathan English will be upset about this
If that is true, we won't be going after the new hot shot of the week OC types.
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Looking at the teams with HC openings, I think we might be the 4th most attractive job. Chargers, Texans, and JAX are ahead of us. ATL and DET are below us.
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Sir Jonathan English will be upset about this
It's about damn time!
It's going to be a lot harder to guess at who fits this bill because you can't look at a guy's playcalling to make this kind of decision, but this is exactly the kind of hire we need. Hire a leader, then let him hire a staff to do the work.
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Speaking of members of Rex’s old staff, I think it’s a given that Lynn at least gets interviewed here if/when he gets let go from Los Angeles.
Anthony Lynn is the Adam Gase of the 2021 hiring cycle.
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Chargers, Texans, and JAX are ahead of us.
How is Houston ahead of us? They have a bunch of malcontent vets and they have no draft picks.
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Anthony Lynn is the Adam Gase of the 2021 hiring cycle.
It wasn't an endorsement by any stretch, just the reality of the situation. I'd be shocked if he was let go and not interviewed.
How is Houston ahead of us? They have a bunch of malcontent vets and they have no draft picks.
This. Houston is a mess. How do you improve a bad team with no resources?
They're wasting Deshaun.
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Anthony Lynn should coach college football
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Jaguars owner Shad Khan said he had roster control in 2020 and will make sure GM coming in knows he will keep that control for now, at least.
If this is true, it drops the Jags down the list significantly. What coach wants his owner meddling in his excrement?
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If this is true, it drops the Jags down the list significantly. What coach wants his owner meddling in his excrement?
There is no way Meyer takes the job under those conditions.
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Chargers, Texans, and JAX are ahead of us.
If the reports that Shad Khan had roster control for 2020 and plans on retaining it for 2021 are true then I think a lot of HC candidates are going to be a lot more wary of the JAX job, especially given what that roster looked like.
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who wants to coach against Mahomes for the next 15 years. freak the Chargers HC job.
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who wants to coach against Mahomes for the next 15 years. freak the Chargers HC job.
Every top tier AFC team already has to deal with it.
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Every top tier AFC team already has to deal with it.
I'm sure our job wasn't as attractive for the last 20 years w/ Bardy bending us over twice a year.
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Looking at the teams with HC openings, I think we might be the 4th most attractive job. Chargers, Texans, and JAX are ahead of us. ATL and DET are below us.
As well as what other people have said about Houston and the Jags, the Chargers job only looks attractive until the stadium doors reopen next season and 31 teams get their fanbase back. Will be hard to attract top quality players and coaches to a team that doesn't have fans.
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I'm sure our job wasn't as attractive for the last 20 years w/ Bardy bending us over twice a year.
Not a bad thing to weed out the candidates scared of that.
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Not a bad thing to weed out the candidates scared of that.
it's not a problem anymore
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Not a bad thing to weed out the candidates scared of that.
I agree. Take on the bully, sometimes you knock him out, sometimes he knocks you out and you get back up.
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My assumption is that most NFL coaches have and need an ego big enough to believe that they can win anywhere, with anyone. This explains many head scratching decisions if you look at the league through that lens.
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Johnson said they are considering a change in the organizational structure of whether to have the HC report to the GM rather than have them equals. #nyj
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
let's freaking goooooo
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let's freaking goooooo
Joe Douglas is clearly a god
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
Just read the Jaguars are switching their structure over to put the GM and the HC on the same footing reporting to the owner.
Personally, I think this is the most overrated nonsense that Jets fans like to get worked up about. Hire the right people, and the reporting structure is irrelevant.
That said, I kind of hope they change it because the current structure sure isn't working, and at this point, screw it, why not? But I don't think it really makes a difference.
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theyre gonna hire harbaugh and fire douglas 2 months after the draft and give him full control
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
I read that last week. Makes sense now that we have a GM and are looking for a coach, this is what they hired him for. When you need a GM and there are no football people in the organization is when it gets tricky, now is not that time.
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
Only being considered. Since it makes total sense, don't expect it to happen
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
The Johnson brothers report to Ty Johnson now
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Personally, I think this is the most overrated nonsense that Jets fans like to get worked up about. Hire the right people, and the reporting structure is irrelevant.
It isn't though, because someone always wants to be first among equals. Hierarchical reporting of HC-GM-owner makes way more sense.
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Just read the Jaguars are switching their structure over to put the GM and the HC on the same footing reporting to the owner.
Personally, I think this is the most overrated nonsense that Jets fans like to get worked up about. Hire the right people, and the reporting structure is irrelevant.
That said, I kind of hope they change it because the current structure sure isn't working, and at this point, screw it, why not? But I don't think it really makes a difference.
I disagree. There should be a clear chain of command.
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It isn't though, because someone always wants to be first among equals. Hierarchical reporting of HC-GM-owner makes way more sense.
correct
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Personally, I think this is the most overrated nonsense that Jets fans like to get worked up about. Hire the right people, and the reporting structure is irrelevant.
The reporting structure has contributed to hiring the wrong people in the past.
That’s how we got these doomed arranged marriages:
Rex + Idzik
Duff + Gase
Joe Douglas + Gase
Let the GM pick the HC and stop forcing 2 people to work together that aren’t on the same page.
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1346156154007801857?s=21
Holy hell we are considering changing the structure of GM and HC reporting to the owner
I like Douglas a lot more than I did midway through the season, now.
stop forcing 2 people to work together that aren’t on the same page.
This right here.
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I like Douglas a lot more than I did midway through the season, now.
This offseason makes or breaks him, but of the things we see him doing there's a lot more good than bad IMO. I am at least optimistic.
Still, though. Fix the freaking line. No more bandaids. No more van Roten or Lewis. No more "serviceable". No more "at least he's better than the last guy." Do the job properly this time.
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This offseason makes or breaks him, but of the things we see him doing there's a lot more good than bad IMO. I am at least optimistic.
Still, though. Fix the freaking line. No more bandaids. No more van Roten or Lewis. No more "serviceable". No more "at least he's better than the last guy." Do the job properly this time.
Order of priority:
find a HC, decide on a QB, fix the line.
The line means nothing if you have a Nate Sudfeld type retard taking the snaps behind it.
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Wasczak:
Joe Douglas is fully in charge of facilitating this #Jets turnaround.
Christopher Johnson left no doubt about that.
The spotlight is now completely on Douglas, who has a chance to dig the Jets out. Starting with hiring the right HC.
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The reporting structure has contributed to hiring the wrong people in the past.
That’s how we got these doomed arranged marriages:
Rex + Idzik
Duff + Gase
Joe Douglas + Gase
Let the GM pick the HC and stop forcing 2 people to work together that aren’t on the same page.
As long as JD has final say on who has the job, that's all I really care about.
I think the failures of Idzik, Maccagnan and Gase has to do more with them being failures than the order of hiring or who they're reporting to or anything like that.
Regardless of how the reporting structure works, Douglas, a new coach, and a new QB will all be on similar timelines after this offseason. That's the most important thing for me.
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Wasczak:
Joe Douglas is fully in charge of facilitating this #Jets turnaround.
Christopher Johnson left no doubt about that.
The spotlight is now completely on Douglas, who has a chance to dig the Jets out. Starting with hiring the right HC.
*Optimism climbing*
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Order of priority:
find a HC, decide on a QB, fix the line.
The line means nothing if you have a Nate Sudfeld type retard taking the snaps behind it.
I disagree with this so much. In fact I’d argue a poor QB needs a better line more than an elite one does.
Your priority list is right, but with the caveat that most of the line work is actually going to be done in FA and the QB decision likely happens on draft night.
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I think the failures of Idzik, Maccagnan and Gase has to do more with them being failures than the order of hiring or who they're reporting to or anything like that.
Dude...Gase was hired because of a freaking phone call between our owner and Peyton Manning.
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I disagree with this so much. In fact I’d argue a poor QB needs a better line more than an elite one does.
Your priority list is right, but with the caveat that most of the line work is actually going to be done in FA and the QB decision likely happens on draft night.
The QB decision will be made long before draft night. We have the 2nd pick....the decision will only be altered if by some miracle the Jags decide not to take Lawrence.
I'm not even going to bring up Darnold, because i'm convinced a new HC will want to start fresh with his own guy.
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As long as JD has final say on who has the job, that's all I really care about.
I think the failures of Idzik, Maccagnan and Gase has to do more with them being failures than the order of hiring or who they're reporting to or anything like that.
Regardless of how the reporting structure works, Douglas, a new coach, and a new QB will all be on similar timelines after this offseason. That's the most important thing for me.
His point is two fold.
1. The arranged marriages didn’t work because the best candidates didn’t consider us because they didn’t want to be tied to the others
2. Forcing things made it harder to work and subsequently increased the likelihood of failure in the situations at hand.
I personally don’t care the ORDER of the structure (Owner -> GM -> HC or Owner -> HC -> GM) but the dual structure doesn’t function in my eyes, at least not for us.
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The QB decision will be made long before draft night. We have the 2nd pick....the decision will only be altered if my some miracle the Jags decide not to take Lawrence.
I'm not even going to bring up Darnold, because i'm convinced a new HC will want to start fresh with his own guy.
I meant we can’t make the final call until draft night. Because there’s no way in hell Douglas moves off the 2 spot early if a trade is his game, especially if there’s the slightest chance Lawrence might be there.
I just mean we aren’t going to be fixing QB in FA, it’s either the draft or nothing.
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The line means nothing if you have a Nate Sudfeld type retard taking the snaps behind it.
Counterpoint: a mediocre QB with all day in the pocket will hit receivers more consistently than the second coming of Dan Marino with a face full of linebacker after two seconds.
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I disagree with this so much. In fact I’d argue a poor QB needs a better line more than an elite one does.
Your priority list is right, but with the caveat that most of the line work is actually going to be done in FA and the QB decision likely happens on draft night.
Agree. Look at what Sanchez could do with a good line as opposed to Darnold with a terrible one. Build a team, then you can win with any number of QBs. You can't know if you have the right QB if the rest of your team is garbage.
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Counterpoint: a mediocre QB with all day in the pocket will hit receivers more consistently than the second coming of Dan Marino with a face full of linebacker after two seconds.
Counterpoint: then that mediocre QB develops an ego, wants to get overpaid as pieces of his oline leave for FA, and gets exposed the following season. Give me the elite QB.
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Counterpoint: then that mediocre QB develops an ego, wants to get overpaid as pieces of his oline leave for FA, and gets exposed the following season. Give me the elite QB.
Why does this have to happen?
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Why does this have to happen?
because the salary cap hates us all
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In addition to oline discussion. I would trade 5 elite olinemen for 1 Dante Scarnacchia/Bill Callahan.
Coaching matters.
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Counterpoint: then that mediocre QB develops an ego, wants to get overpaid as pieces of his oline leave for FA, and gets exposed the following season. Give me the elite QB.
This is the Ben Shapiro tweet of roster takes.
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This is the Ben Shapiro tweet of roster takes.
that hurt
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Doug Marrone HC
Manish Mehta OC
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because the salary cap hates us all
Good teams have been able to invest significantly in their offensive lines and either stay within the cap or at least kick the can down the road.
If the choice is Wilson or Fields at #2, not taking advantage of their rookie contract window and investing significantly in at least one more interior lineman on top of keeping Elflein in the fold would be a huge mistake.
We need to spend big money this off-season and I'm with JE in that it starts up front, as deep as the free agent class at receiver appears to be. We have enough money to go get both.
Doug Marrone HC
Manish Mehta OC
Ahahahahahaha
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that hurt
Then stop making up scenarios just so you can get angry about them.
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Then stop making up scenarios just so you can get angry about them.
I like to keep JE busy with brain teasers.
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We need to spend big money this off-season and I'm with JE in that it starts up front, as deep as the free agent class at receiver appears to be. We have enough money to go get both.
There are 4 pieces of this team that unquestionably need to be addressed this FA period and that does not include depth everywhere on the roster.
My guesstimate is 2 of the four can be filled with big money guys, 1 average to slightly above average money guy and a just below average money guy.
IOL
WR
Edge
CB
I’d much prefer sinking the money into the OL interior and a WR. If we could walk out of FA with Joe Thuney and Allen Robinson that would be absolutely mind blowing to how different the trajectory of our offense in the next year. That would be more critical to our success than any combo of defensive players you could name, regardless of QB.
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Throw money at Bud Dupree until the EDGE problem goes away.
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Throw money at Bud Dupree until the EDGE problem goes away.
With our luck, his knee would be toast after signing him to a massive deal
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Then stop making up scenarios just so you can get angry about them.
But green team bad! Do we *really* even know Gase was fired?
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But green team bad! Do we *really* even know Gase was fired?
At the very least, we have a whole thread dedicated just to that.
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At the very least, we have a whole thread dedicated just to that.
According to the fake news media
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If we hire Dan Mullen, I’m out
Same
I'm in tampa
Ill.become a bucs fan before I allowable to.cheer for that excrement
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Schotty wasn’t bad. Sanchez was.
Agreed
We had 1 yr where we had the personnel for his passing concepts. With Holmes and Edward's
RIP Flight Boys
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Bienemy is Andy Reid with training wheels . And thats best case scenario
I have 0 faith in a RB coach with program issues at Colorado in his past to come in and develop a QB when his claim to fame is playing Madden playcalling with Andy Reids book and the best QB in the NFL and fastest WR arguably ever oh and a HOF TE lol
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With ths Eberflus and Bieniemy interviews announced, I need some Matt Campbell and Pat Fitzgerald news
The only 2 NCAA names I care about
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq6V4H0W8AItDz8?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Everyone is lining up for that Houston job though
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Everyone is lining up for that Houston job though
They have a decent enough QB at least. But their best player is one year away from FA and making noises about retirement.
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They have a decent enough QB at least. But their best player is one year away from FA and making noises about retirement.
JJ Watt is not their best player. He is washed.
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JJ Watt is not their best player. He is washed.
He also shouldn’t be on the roster next year.
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JJ Watt is not their best player. He is washed.
I'm sorry, I completely forgot that they had Chad Hansen now.
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They have a decent enough QB at least. But their best player is one year away from FA and making noises about retirement.
The only asset in Houston that should excite candidates is Watson. Tunsil is great but you don’t take a HC job because of the LT. They have no money no draft picks and no chance at improving by much next year
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Vegas Odds on who will next Jets HC
Daboll +300
Bieniemy/Eberflus +600
J. Brady +650
Riley +700
Campbell +750
Schottenheimer +1000
Toub +1000
Harbaugh +1000
Saleh +1000
A. Smith +1200
O'Brien +1200
Pagano +1200
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Vegas Odds on who will next Jets HC
Daboll +300
Bieniemy/Eberflus +600
J. Brady +650
Riley +700
Campbell +750
Schottenheimer +1000
Toub +1000
Harbaugh +1000
Saleh +1000
A. Smith +1200
O'Brien +1200
Pagano +1200
those are sweet odds for Joe Brady
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Johnson said the #Jets could have a new coach “in a few weeks,” or much quicker than that.
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So stay tuned daily we might announce a coach at any time!
But in reality we should be doing this over the next few weeks. Especially if candidates we really want are still coaching
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Those seem like very long odds for Smith, given we've already requested an interview with him. I'm not a betting man, but if I were I'd say that seems like a worthwhile punt.
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Where is Martindale
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So stay tuned daily we might announce a coach at any time!
But in reality we should be doing this over the next few weeks. Especially if candidates we really want are still coaching
They moved on Gase like a week after firing Bowles, might want to take their time this go around. Just a thought.
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Where is Martindale
In Baltimore where he belongs.
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https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/as-jets-head-coaching-search-begins-gm-joe-douglas-takes-the-lead
Words are cheap, but there are lots of good ones in here.
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Titans OC Arthur Smith
Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy
Bills OC Brian Daboll
Colts DC Matt Eberflus
Giants DC Patrick Graham
Rams DC Brandon Staley
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Pick up your phone, Joe Brady.
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I'm going to guess our final interview count ends up at 11 guys.
I'll expect to see us add the following to the list.
Joe Brady
Wink Martindale
Pat Fitzgerald
Matt Campbell
That puts us at 10 candidates, then I will kick around a 'dark horse' guy from the list below that gets a shot but not a second interview.
Marvin Lewis
Jim Caldwell
P.J. Fleck
Brian Schottenheimer
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This is all being done through Zoom. It's not like we're taking these guys out to wine and dine them.
This year will be unlike any other. Teams will be able to interview a ton of candidates.
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This is all being done through Zoom. It's not like we're taking these guys out to wine and dine them.
This year will be unlike any other. Teams will be able to interview a ton of candidates.
I'd rather interview 30 guys than 5 whether we are wine and dining or just zooming with them.
I just want 'the right guy' whomever that is. Just please get us the 'right guy'
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This is all being done through Zoom. It's not like we're taking these guys out to wine and dine them.
This year will be unlike any other. Teams will be able to interview a ton of candidates.
That has its own inherent risks though. What if the guy they hire has really bad personal hygiene? Imagine you go through that whole process of all the interviews and you find the guy and then he turns up on March 1 for his first day of work and you smell him coming down the corridor from 20 yards away?
I think they're going to have to be very careful with this whole process.
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That has its own inherent risks though. What if the guy they hire has really bad personal hygiene? Imagine you go through that whole process of all the interviews and you find the guy and then he turns up on March 1 for his first day of work and you smell him coming down the corridor from 20 yards away?
I think they're going to have to be very careful with this whole process.
They are going to weed candidates out. There's no way in hell Joe Douglas and Chris Johnson are hiring someone that hasn't met with them face-to-face. I just think the whole Zoom situation gives them the ability to cast a much wider net than usual.
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/550430515983945728?s=21
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/550430515983945728?s=21
That's a curiously stupid thing for Schefter to post, and quite unlike him.
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That's a curiously stupid thing for Schefter to post, and quite unlike him.
Check the date
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Check the date
God damn you SFD.
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God damn you SFD.
JD will hire him just to spit on Manish’s grave
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https://twitter.com/jordanstrack/status/1346142312708112385?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jordanstrack/status/1346142312708112385?s=21
I dunno man, I'm not sure I can trust you any more.
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They are going to weed candidates out. There's no way in hell Joe Douglas and Chris Johnson are hiring someone that hasn't met with them face-to-face. I just think the whole Zoom situation gives them the ability to cast a much wider net than usual.
I would assume second/third rounds of interviews will be conducted in person for sure
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I would assume second/third rounds of interviews will be conducted in person for sure
2nd interview at Arby's
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2nd interview at Arby's
Better than the secret interview we had with Hackenberg back in the day
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#Panthers OC Joe Brady, a bright up-and-coming offensive mind, received requests from the #Falcons, #Texans, and #Chargers to interview for their vacant head coach jobs, source said. A new name into the HC mix.
Rap
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Rap
Impossible...no accolades
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1346271060723982339?s=21
Lolllll
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1346271060723982339?s=21
Lolllll
Why is this in here
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Why is this in here
Because we’re next.
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Because we’re next.
Get out
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Why is this in here
O'Rooney rule. Have to interview at least 1 ginger.
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HC Wink Martindale
OC Pep Hamilton
DC Ron Beep
ST Sleve McDichael
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I'm surprised the Jets haven't reached out to Matt Campbell or Pat Fitzgerald yet.....at least publicly anyway.
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I'm surprised the Jets haven't reached out to Matt Campbell or Pat Fitzgerald yet.....at least publicly anyway.
It's only Tuesday
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It's only Tuesday
THERE IS NO TOMORROW
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I hope we hire somebody before the team calls Dan Mullen.
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I hope we hire someone not flashy.
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I hope we hire someone not flashy.
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Coach Spector(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210105/4f16dd268f57657ae6f4933d6f58c85d.jpg)
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It's only Tuesday
Usually like to get to the new coach firing campaign by the end of the week of Black Monday
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Usually like to get to the new coach firing campaign by the end of the week of Black Monday
Black Monday, Brown Tuesday, Tan Wednesday, Peach Thursday, Alabaster Friday
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I just reviewed the Gase thread, it was started on January 2nd with the first news that we were interviewing him and a week later on January 9th we were ready to march on Florham Park with the news that he was being hired. Some highlights from the early days of that thread:
- Andrew Ryan using Frank Gore as evidence that players hated Gase
- LJF stating that he would ruin our franchise QB, and me stating with the certainty that that was the one thing that wouldn't go wrong on his watch
- mj2sexay confidently predicting an 11-5 season
- bojanglesman predicting that he would fight Manish
- "Might as well start stocking draft picks to trade up for Trevor Lawrence in 2021 after Gase ruins Darnold" - Cato
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I just reviewed the Gase thread, it was started on January 2nd with the first news that we were interviewing him and a week later on January 9th we were ready to march on Florham Park with the news that he was being hired. Some highlights from the early days of that thread:
- Andrew Ryan using Frank Gore as evidence that players hated Gase
- LJF stating that he would ruin our franchise QB, and me stating with the certainty that that was the one thing that wouldn't go wrong on his watch
- mj2sexay confidently predicting an 11-5 season
- bojanglesman predicting that he would fight Manish
- "Might as well start stocking draft picks to trade up for Trevor Lawrence in 2021 after Gase ruins Darnold" - Cato
Beers for LJF and Cato
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I hate trying to spell "Bieniemy"....so if we end up hiring him, i'm going to refer to him as "Eric Beans"
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Beers for LJF and Cato
Cash is also fine.
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I dunno man, I'm not sure I can trust you any more.
The decision on whether Jim Harbaugh will be inked to a contract extension as the Michigan football coach rests solely on one man — Jim Harbaugh.
That decision could come as soon as Monday or be stretched out, but the university expects a decision this week.
A multi-year contract extension has been offered to Harbaugh, but as of Saturday evening, no extension has been signed, sources close to the situation told the Free Press.
The deal, which was initially offered as a three-year extension, would kick in on Jan. 11. That's the day each year of Harbaugh's contract has started since he was hired in 2014.
Other media reports say the extension offered was for five years. Harbaugh has one year left on his contract.
The sources spoke to the Free Press on the condition of anonymity because they weren't cleared to talk to the media about the discussions.
Harbaugh hasn't signed it yet because he's waiting to see if any NFL teams have interest in him as a head coach.
The answer to that question could come quickly.
The NFL regular season wraps up Sunday, which is followed by "Black Monday," when head coaches all around the league are let go.
There are several openings already in the NFL, including with the Detroit Lions, but Harbaugh is said to have interest in the New York Jets. Adam Gase, the Jets head coach who has won just two games this season, will reportedly be fired after Sunday's finale.
Harbaugh is also said to be interested in the Los Angeles Chargers job, should it come open. Anthony Lynn, the L.A. head coach, is 32-31 in four seasons entering Sunday.
Harbaugh's coaching resume is filled with previous stops at college and professional coaching jobs in California, including four seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, whom he led to the Super Bowl during the 2012 season.
If Harbaugh doesn't draw interest from those teams, then he is expected to re-sign with Michigan.
Detroit Free Press
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Cash is also fine.
We’re goin to Ricks!
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Detroit Free Press
I would have very mixed feelings about hiring Harbaugh, but I wouldn't have to try too hard to convince myself of the benefits.
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I would have very mixed feelings about hiring Harbaugh, but I wouldn't have to try too hard to convince myself of the benefits.
I don’t want Harbaugh, but for me he wouldn’t be at the bottom of the list of candidates that we are currently planning on interviewing.
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I hate trying to spell "Bieniemy"....so if we end up hiring him, i'm going to refer to him as "Eric Beans"
Bean Dad
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We ABSOLUTELY should not hire a HC that was fired this season
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We ABSOLUTELY should not hire a HC that was fired this season
Harbaugh it is, he even got an extension!
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I hope Eric beans gives our players a playbook and lets them discover how to use it and how it works over 6-9 weeks.
That's good coaching
Sent from fire adam gase.
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I hope Eric beans gives our players a playbook and lets them discover how to use it and how it works over 6-9 weeks.
That's good coaching
Sent from fire adam gase.
Change your freaking Tapatalk signature, please and thank you.
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Change your freaking Tapatalk signature, please and thank you.
How about your avatar there?
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How about your avatar there?
LOOK SHUT UP ALL RIGHT
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LOOK SHUT UP ALL RIGHT
Here's an idea:
(https://espn.go.com/media/nhl/2001/0503/photo/a_domi_i.jpg)
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Change your freaking Tapatalk signature, please and thank you.
I got you g
Johnny English is a jerk
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I got you g
Johnny English is a jerk
LOL ask and you shall receive.
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I got you g
Johnny English is a jerk
Your last signature worked, so does this mean I have to go and.... whatever. Give me ten minutes.
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Here's an idea:
(https://espn.go.com/media/nhl/2001/0503/photo/a_domi_i.jpg)
Why would I want an avatar of a Leafs legend getting leveled?
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If the likes of Brady and Smith are getting interest, why is no one talking about Shane Steichen?
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Harbaugh it is, he even got an extension!
https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41106207-4
Frank Gore supports the Harbaugh.
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I support Frank Gore shutting the freak up.
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Here's an idea:
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<3
If the likes of Brady and Smith are getting interest, why is no one talking about Shane Steichen?
Wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in as an offensive coordinator under an Eberflus.
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Wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in as an offensive coordinator under an Eberflus.
He's not going to make a lateral move to work with a worse quarterback, whoever that may be.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-woody-johnson-won-t-155327927.html
Our chances of making the wrong decision was just reduced by 50%
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Joe Douglas said he is attacking this coaching search the same as he would the #NFLDraft when evaluating a prospect. Compared it to “drafting a coach.”
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Douglas says they won't "shy away" from a college coach if he fits from intangible standpoint -- i.e. good leader, communicator, manager, etc. So, basically, he's saying NFL experience is not mandatory. #Jets
cool cool cool
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He's not going to make a lateral move to work with a worse quarterback, whoever that may be.
He might not have a choice depending on who they hire as head coach.
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He might not have a choice depending on who they hire as head coach.
Maybe. Apparently Pep Hamilton is QB coach there so actually I might be giving Steichen too much credit for Herbert.
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Maybe. Apparently Pep Hamilton is QB coach there so actually I might be giving Steichen too much credit for Herbert.
We’ve been talking about wanting Pep to work with a QB we drafted since Sanchez haven’t we? I’d be ecstatic to see him join our next staff
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We’ve been talking about wanting Pep to work with a QB we drafted since Sanchez haven’t we? I’d be ecstatic to see him join our next staff
Just saying he coached under Harbaugh at Michigan.
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Just saying he coached under Harbaugh at Michigan.
And at Stanford.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Joe Douglas said he is attacking this coaching search the same as he would the #NFLDraft when evaluating a prospect. Compared it to “drafting a coach.”
i think eberflus will have the best 40 time, but bieniemy is gonna kill it during strength drills
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i think eberflus will have the best 40 time, but bieniemy is gonna kill it during strength drills
But the real question is who will have the best Winderlic?
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But the real question is who will have the best Winderlic?
I want to see their three cone drills.
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Give me a guy that doesn’t call Frank Gore dives on 2nd and 10 or 4th and 1 every single time
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WR bubble screens are done and outlawed
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WR bubble screens are done and outlawed
Come on, it's fun to get behind the sticks. Where's your sense of adventure?
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i think eberflus will have the best 40 time, but bieniemy is gonna kill it during strength drills
But the real question is who will have the best Winderlic?
I want to see their three cone drills.
I want Chris Johnson to ask Wink Martindale if his mom is a prostitute.
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I want Chris Johnson to ask Wink Martindale if his mom is a prostitute.
*Chris Johnson shoots Hymie Elhai in the head*
"You a snitch?"
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Someone make a HC poll thread.
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Someone make a HC poll thread.
You're a mod. #HelloMcFlyAnybodyHome
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You're a mod. #HelloMcFlyAnybodyHome
Which is why I am delegating
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Which is why I am delegating
M-O-O-N...that spells delegating
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M-O-O-N...that spells delegating
freak off, M-A-T-E
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freak off, M-A-T-E
lawz yess
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Someone make a HC poll thread.
Do you like Head Coaches?
-Yes
-No
-Cheese
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Cheese.
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Nick Baumgardner
@nickbaumgardner
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Source tells The Athletic Michigan and Jim Harbaugh are close to finalizing a five-year deal -- expected base salary is $4 million. With incentives, he could get it back to $8 million. Buyout is expected to be low.
Harbaugh hasn't signed. Is expected to soon.
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He better sign it
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This applies to several of the candidates or rumored candidates who have been thought of as not having enough experience - it's worth noting that Mike Tomlin had exactly 1 season as a coordinator before getting the PIT HC job.
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thewaitingIsTheHardestPart.mp3
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This applies to several of the candidates or rumored candidates who have been thought of as not having enough experience - it's worth noting that Mike Tomlin had exactly 1 season as a coordinator before getting the PIT HC job.
Matt LaFleur, “the worst hire of the 2019 HC cycle”, had 2 years as an NFL OC under his belt and is now 26-6.
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Matt LaFleur, “the guy who has Aaron Rodgers at QB”, had 2 years as an NFL OC under his belt and is now 26-6.
FYP
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Harbaugh extension has reportedly been signed
https://twitter.com/SamWebb77/status/1347646509391761410?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SamWebb77/status/1347646509391761410?s=20)
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Harbaugh extension has reportedly been signed
https://twitter.com/SamWebb77/status/1347646509391761410?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SamWebb77/status/1347646509391761410?s=20)
Brace for immediate buyout.
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Oh
https://twitter.com/CBellofattoTV/status/1347736518383837188?s=19
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I wonder if Ryan Day will have interest in an NFL job if he wins on Monday.
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I wonder if Ryan Day will have interest in an NFL job if he wins on Monday.
No
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No
Not much else for him to do if he wins a National Championship.
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Not much else for him to do if he wins a National Championship.
Win more?
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Not much else for him to do if he wins a National Championship.
Youll have to roofie him because he's said on many occasions that he's not leaving Ohio St
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Win more?
He can literally not be more successful in the NCAA. Every season he has from now on will be at best the same level of success as he has achieved this season, and every season in which he doesn't win a National Championship will be a relative failure.
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He can literally not be more successful in the NCAA. Every season he has from now on will be at best the same level of success as he has achieved this season, and every season in which he doesn't win a National Championship will be a relative failure.
Works for Nick Saban
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If he wins a title with Ohio State and keeps the competitive for the title after that they will treat him like a king. He has complete control over his roster and his team at the NCAA level. Only bad NFL teams give their coaches that and I think he's smart enough to know that.
He may well want to jump to the NFL, but to say he has no incentive to stay at Ohio State after winning a championship is just silly.
Also, this:
Works for Nick Saban
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He can literally not be more successful in the NCAA. Every season he has from now on will be at best the same level of success as he has achieved this season, and every season in which he doesn't win a National Championship will be a relative failure.
It’s more than championships for a lot of these guys
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Works for Nick Saban
Who had to have a shot at the NFL before he decided the NCAA was his gig.
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to say he has no incentive to stay at Ohio State after winning a championship is just silly.
I agree. Who said that?
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Who had to have a shot at the NFL before he decided the NCAA was his gig.
Good that queynte can stay at Alabama forever. The stories I heard about that douche are so out there, I thought they were unbelievable, but they actually happened. Anyway, I hope he gets lit on fire on a recruiting trip gone bad.
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Good that queynte can stay at Alabama forever. The stories I heard about that douche are so out there, I thought they were unbelievable, but they actually happened. Anyway, I hope he gets lit on fire on a recruiting trip gone bad.
#HireSaban
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I'll take one of these three:
Saleh
Staley
Brady
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I'll take one of these three:
Saleh
Staley
Brady
That means it will likely be:
Beans
Evenflow
Pep Hamilton, out of nowhere
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HC Marvin Lewis
OC Pep Hamilton
DC Aaron Glenn
ST Mike Westhoff's stray pubes
Make it happen Tanny
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That means it will likely be:
Beans
Evenflow
Pep Hamilton, out of nowhere
Brian Billick ninja hire SZN
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https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/eagles-jeffrey-lurie-underwhelmed-at-the-suggestions-hc-doug-pederson-for-coaching-staff.html
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Kind of a derailment, but what are people's thoughts on retaining Boyer?
The ST unit started off terrible, and Ficken isn't good, but overall, I think Boyer's done a pretty good job coaching up guys who belong on practice squads.
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Kind of a derailment, but what are people's thoughts on retaining Boyer?
The ST unit started off terrible, and Ficken isn't good, but overall, I think Boyer's done a pretty good job coaching up guys who belong on practice squads.
Hes already been retained once. Time to clean house
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Kind of a derailment, but what are people's thoughts on retaining Boyer?
The ST unit started off terrible, and Ficken isn't good, but overall, I think Boyer's done a pretty good job coaching up guys who belong on practice squads.
Yeah, I think part of the problem is that ST always gets the derriere end of the roster. When your starting 11 in the two main phases is as bad as ours, you're inevitably going to end up with people who should be pumping gas or stacking shelves playing ST.
It will I presume be entirely up to the new HC, but I think Boyer has shown enough to be retained if the new HC doesn't have a particularly guy lined up. I can do without watching the kicking debacle again though; Castillo was kicking well when he came in to replace Ficken, then for some reason I don't understand they brought Ficken back in for one game in which he was awful, so they IRed him and brought back Castillo who was immediately excrement. FFS just go with whichever leg is hot.
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Hes already been retained once. Time to clean house
I'm fine either way, but I don't think he's part of the problem.
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I'm fine either way, but I don't think he's part of the problem.
when you finish 2-14 and narrowly escape 0-16....everyone is the problem.
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Yeah, I think part of the problem is that ST always gets the derriere end of the roster. When your starting 11 in the two main phases is as bad as ours, you're inevitably going to end up with people who should be pumping gas or stacking shelves playing ST.
It will I presume be entirely up to the new HC, but I think Boyer has shown enough to be retained if the new HC doesn't have a particularly guy lined up. I can do without watching the kicking debacle again though; Castillo was kicking well when he came in to replace Ficken, then for some reason I don't understand they brought Ficken back in for one game in which he was awful, so they IRed him and brought back Castillo who was immediately excrement. FFS just go with whichever leg is hot.
Totally my speculation, but I think Douglas was married to Ficken and wanted him to be his guy.
I agree with this whole post.
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If Eagles move on from Pederson, would you guys want him?
Not feeling the idea of hiring someone who was just fired.
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If Eagles move on from Pederson, would you guys want him?
Not feeling the idea of hiring someone who was just fired.
They did fire him
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If Eagles move on from Pederson, would you guys want him?
Not feeling the idea of hiring someone who was just fired.
Ticks all of the boxes I had before the search started, more than most of the other candidates. So yes.
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Brandon Staley/Aaron Glenn HC with Pederson at OC
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Brandon Staley/Aaron Glenn HC with Pederson at OC
There are some really interesting former HC combos that a young guy could be paired with.
Doug Pederson or Anthony Lynn as OCs
Marvin Lewis as a DC
I’m starting to get on that train. I think the best guys as candidates are all “a year away” from being ready. Since we can’t wait a year for them to be ready hire them now and speed their development along with some former HCs as assistants who want to repair their image
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Brandon Staley/Aaron Glenn HC with Pederson at OC
Now this I can get into
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Brandon Staley/Aaron Glenn HC with Pederson at OC
This works great, though I don't think Pederson will take that demotion.
HC: Doug Pederson
OC: Mike Kafka
DC: Aaron Glenn
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This works great, though I don't think Pederson will take that demotion.
HC: Doug Pederson
OC: Mike Kafka
DC: Aaron Glenn
Pederson might not have a choice. If he doesn’t get a HC gig it’s either be a coordinator or take a year off
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Pederson might not have a choice. If he doesn’t get a HC gig it’s either be a coordinator or take a year off
He won a Super Bowl 3 years ago. I have a hard time believing he'll take a coordinator gig. I assume he'll take an HC job somewhere, or he'll take a year off and work in TV or do whatever Mike McCarthy did.
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He won a Super Bowl 3 years ago. I have a hard time believing he'll take a coordinator gig. I assume he'll take an HC job somewhere, or he'll take a year off and work in TV or do whatever Mike McCarthy did.
Which is fine, I was just saying an option is that he doesn’t get a gig right away. He’s leaving a bad taste in Philly and all the teams have already started the interview process. They may be focused on other candidates and not really open to adding him to the roster of options right now.
You know what would be fun, Pederson in Houston. Let’s make that a thing
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Now that the bulk of the interviews are complete...here's my shortlist in random order.
Bob Salad
Gaboll
Brandon "Layne" Staley
Joe Bardy
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Now that the bulk of the interviews are complete...here's my shortlist in random order.
Bob Salad
Bald Daboll
Brandon "Layne" Staley
Joe Bardy
It's Gaboll*
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It's Gaboll*
Haha..right
Edited post
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It's Gaboll*
aka Capicola
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Gayballs
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1348825525096214529?s=20
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Cimini's take on Pedo
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1348991888594898944?s=19
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It's Gaboll*
Briman Loggbowl
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Cimini's take on Pedo
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1348991888594898944?s=19
IMHO Rich is spending too much time focusing on pulling Hurts. I'm not totally forgoing the resume because of that one call.
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IMHO Rich is spending too much time focusing on pulling Hurts. I'm not totally forgoing the resume because of that one call.
Yeah I don't care about that either. My primary concern is how much credit he deserves for the SB win and how much blame he deserves for the subsequent slide. I don't have strong stances on either so I've been curious to see other takes.
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3 playoff seasons in a row
1 Super Bowl win (against Bill Belichick and Tom Brady)
1 Alston Jeffrey drop away from a 2nd SB appearance
1 MVP caliber regular season out of Carsen Wents
2 playoff wins and a Super Bowl out of Nick Foles
A handful of games making rookie Jalen Hurts appear serviceable
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Starting to hear Pederson wanted to move on from Wentz and that was a big issue woth ownership
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Yeah I don't care about that either. My primary concern is how much credit he deserves for the SB win and how much blame he deserves for the subsequent slide. I don't have strong stances on either so I've been curious to see other takes.
This is the same debate with any coach who has had success, because most teams reach a peak and then slide back in a league designed for parity. How much credit does he get for this, how much blame for that, they had this player, that coach. If a guy can be successful for a few seasons with a particular group and knock off top teams in big games, he's up to the job. It's not going to happen every year, Philadelphia also fired Andy Reid.
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Yeah I don't care about that either. My primary concern is how much credit he deserves for the SB win and how much blame he deserves for the subsequent slide. I don't have strong stances on either so I've been curious to see other takes.
Disgustingly, despite going to college in the great state of New Jersey we had a disgusting amount of Eagles fans, so I'm getting a feel for the Philly.
It's making me more pro-Doug.
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Yeah I don't care about that either. My primary concern is how much credit he deserves for the SB win and how much blame he deserves for the subsequent slide. I don't have strong stances on either so I've been curious to see other takes.
A lot of people seem to think that Reich deserves most of the credit post-hoc, but it seems like a relatively weak justification just focusing on the Colts looking good under Reich. Not sure what proportion is what, but if Reich gets all the credit for the SB (because he coordinated well) and Pederson gets the blame for the slide (because he didn't hire good coordinators) that would seem to be giving him minimal possible credit and probably isn't a fair way to evaluate it. Pederson is so focused on the loyalty stuff that it seems like he would just function well as long as the coordinator hires are good/on the same page, but not so sure he can re-create 2017 any time soon.
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TIHI
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Damn he's retarded.
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(https://i.ibb.co/x7mD3Fw/A059-FA1-A-F4-BB-4-D5-A-AE68-1-C3-B30923-D94.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wzJRYc8)
kill it with fire
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colin cowherd?
other sports talking heads at the very least have some substance when they whore themselves out for attention
this guy whores himself out with dumb excrement and literally is clueless when it comes to sports
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the best part about his show is the hot girl that moderates in between his dumb fuckin 'hot takes'
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the SOJF in me thinks the Bob Salad ship has sailed. I highly doubt he circles back. The Jets have a rich history of freaking things up.
So who's up next?
Here's my top 3 (in random order)
-Gayboll
-Joe Bardy
-Brandon "Layne" Staley
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1) Jason Garrett
2) Marvin Lewis
3) Schotty
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1) Jason Garrett
2) Marvin Lewis
3) Schotty
imo schotty is the only potential gase-ian hire of this entire batch. it would truly be deflating if that is who we ultimately ended up with
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1349424722291912704?s=21
lol
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imo schotty is the only potential gase-ian hire of this entire batch. it would truly be deflating if that is who we ultimately ended up with
You didn’t watch enough Giants football this year
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1349424722291912704?s=21
lol
that schmuck should stick to Sonic the Hedgehog.
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the SOJF in me thinks the Bob Salad ship has sailed. I highly doubt he circles back. The Jets have a rich history of freaking things up.
So who's up next?
Here's my top 3 (in random order)
-Gayboll
-Joe Bardy
-Brandon "Layne" Staley
JD asked if he’d accept Todd Monken as his DC.
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the SOJF in me thinks the Bob Salad ship has sailed. I highly doubt he circles back. The Jets have a rich history of freaking things up.
So who's up next?
Here's my top 3 (in random order)
-Gayboll
-Joe Bardy
-Brandon "Layne" Staley
Staley (not Duce), Eddie Vedder song guy, and Brody
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Damn he's retarded.
Why? it makes sense for every team. We are just getting the short straw
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Why? it makes sense for every team. We are just getting the short straw
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v9G3NGByE9x16/giphy.gif)
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Why? it makes sense for every team. We are just getting the short straw
Saleh is from Detroit area, the Falcons owner is named Arthur. Knowing the background info helps unravel the mystery.
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time to get on the arthur smith train. all aboard. yay.
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(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/titans/rhxh4wa8tjpyqdc3styw)
Eyes too close together. Cannot fap to this.
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that schmuck should stick to Sonic the Hedgehog.
BREAKING NEWS
Good coaches are good coaches and tbe best coaches should coach
Let's just start a fake Twitter News network and profit at this point guys
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(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/titans/rhxh4wa8tjpyqdc3styw)
Eyes too close together. Cannot fap to this.
he looks like Gase before Gase found Sauron's ring and started turning into Gollum.
Smith is Gase's version of Smigel.
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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6h
Source close to Doug Pederson said it wouldn't surprise to see the recently fired #Eagles coach take a year off. He might get intrigued by one of the HC openings but, as the source said, it's been a loooong year for Pederson.
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(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/titans/rhxh4wa8tjpyqdc3styw)
Eyes too close together. Cannot fap to this.
He played when you were allowed to lead with the helmet.
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he looks like Gase before Gase found Sauron's ring and started turning into Gollum.
Smith is Gase's version of Smigel.
Rob Smigel?
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Rob Smigel?
TV Funhouse for OC
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So at this point I would like the Saints, Rams and Bills to lose this weekend to allow us the clearest path to understanding who the other finalists might be. If we don’t have anyone else in town in the next day or two it seems like the other finalists are still coaching (Daboll, Glenn, Staley)
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freak Tom Bardy, he needs to lose
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freak Tom Bardy, he needs to lose
Tom Brady for Jets HC
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Tom Brady for Jets HC
Football's Larry Bird.
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I like the idea of Joe Brady at HC and Aaron Glenn at DC
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I like the idea of Joe Brady at HC and Aaron Glenn at DC
Nope because Glenn will get hired away in 2022 when we make the playoffs.
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Nope because Glenn will get hired away in 2022 when we make the playoffs.
Better sign Adam Gase son tonight then for good measure
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Heard he's good with a rubix cube
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Better sign Adam Gase son tonight then for good measure
Heard he's good with a rubix cube
Joe Douglas's son absolutely dominant with an ice cream cone though
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HC Tom Brady
OC Joe Brady
DC Adam Gase
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HC Tom Brady
OC Joe Brady
Head trainer: Adam Gase
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Gotta get Kyle Brady in there somewhere.
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Gotta get Kyle Brady in there somewhere.
Thought about it but nobody is better at keeping points off the board than Adam Gase.
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Got you all beat here
HC Donte Stallworth
OC Rae Carruth
DC Ray Lewis
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Got you all beat here
HC Donte Stallworth
OC Rae Carruth
DC Ray Lewis
One of these things is not like the others.
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One of these things is not like the others.
That's why he's HC and not a lowly assistant
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That's why he's HC and not a lowly assistant
That wasn't where I was going, but it works.
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HC Tom Brady
OC Joe Brady
DC Adam Gase
Perfect. No one shuts down an offense in New York like Adam Gase.
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Perfect. No one shuts down an offense in New York like Adam Gase.
Lol nice
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Who's gonna be our daddy today?
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Who's gonna be our daddy today?
Arthur narrow eyes smith
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Arthur narrow eyes smith
I think he's going to Philly today.....
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I think he's going to Philly today.....
After he meets with us some more
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After he meets with us some more
he heard about the breakfast buffet at the nearby Embassy Suites.
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I’m curious who the rest of our finalists are. Who knows if we will ever find out any more guys if they are all playoff contenders.
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he heard about the breakfast buffet at the nearby Embassy Suites.
Arby's breakfast.
https://www.businessinsider.com/arbys-new-breakfast-menu-review-2016-1
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Arby's breakfast.
https://www.businessinsider.com/arbys-new-breakfast-menu-review-2016-1
that's a selling point to every candidate coming to NY
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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So what happens after the Smith interview? #Jets will have internal discussions to plot next move. Options: Make a move on Smith or Saleh; or bring in another candidate for a “second” interview; or expand field. They like Bills OC Brian Dabaoll, who has game Sat night.
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Theory
I was thinking about the Jets coaching search and the NFL's rules for interviewing last night, and I came up with a theory on why, amongst other things, the Jets didn't hire Saleh.
I don't think Saleh is actually the Jets' top choice, rather I think he was the Jets top choice of who we can interview right now. If you remember teams are not allowed to have in person interviews with coaches who are in the playoffs. Glenn, Staley, Roman, Daboll are actually not allowed to come to the Jets facility until their respective teams are out of the league.
My theory is that Saleh isn't actually the Jets choice, and we will see a number of candidates be interviewed on Sunday and Monday post the divisional round playoffs. This is when the interviews will heatup. I think a decision will likely be made on Monday or Tuesday depending on who wins/lose this weekend.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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2m
So what happens after the Smith interview? #Jets will have internal discussions to plot next move. Options: Make a move on Smith or Saleh; or bring in another candidate for a “second” interview; or expand field. They like Bills OC Brian Dabaoll, who has game Sat night.
And if the Bills win? Lol
Daboll was my number 1, however the idea of waiting then every spot except Chargers being filled and him just going to Herbert over question marks here.
That seems how this would typically play out for us lpl
In JD we trust though
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And if the Bills win? Lol
Daboll was my number 1, however the idea of waiting then every spot except Chargers being filled and him just going to Herbert over question marks here.
That seems how this would typically play out for us lpl
In JD we trust though
He'll have to hang everything on his Zoom interview with Daboll then. I guess they could have another zoom interview? Risk is losing out on Saleh and Smith before then. Doug can figure that out for himself based on his interviews with Saleh and Smith.
Honestly, I think the simplest possibility is correct. Doug is doing this methodically and will probably have a 2nd interview with someone else as well. I don't think it's a negative or positive for any particular candidate.
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Theory
I was thinking about the Jets coaching search and the NFL's rules for interviewing last night, and I came up with a theory on why, amongst other things, the Jets didn't hire Saleh.
I don't think Saleh is actually the Jets' top choice, rather I think he was the Jets top choice of who we can interview right now. If you remember teams are not allowed to have in person interviews with coaches who are in the playoffs. Glenn, Staley, Roman, Daboll are actually not allowed to come to the Jets facility until their respective teams are out of the league.
My theory is that Saleh isn't actually the Jets choice, and we will see a number of candidates be interviewed on Sunday and Monday post the divisional round playoffs. This is when the interviews will heatup. I think a decision will likely be made on Monday or Tuesday depending on who wins/lose this weekend.
Joe Douglas is playing 34D chess: bring in scrubs for second interviews, force panicking Lions, Falcons, Chargers FO's to sign said scrubs, enjoy a leisurely cup of tea while waiting for playoff coordinators to beg for last remaining HC job besides Philly.
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He'll have to hang everything on his Zoom interview with Daboll then. I guess they could have another zoom interview? Risk is losing out on Saleh and Smith before then. Doug can figure that out for himself based on his interviews with Saleh and Smith.
You're right , guess we will find out in 48 hours
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Joe Douglas is playing 34D chess: bring in scrubs for second interviews, force panicking Lions, Falcons, Chargers FO's to sign said scrubs, enjoy a leisurely cup of tea while waiting for playoff coordinators to beg for last remaining HC job besides Philly.
Daboll or Martindale maybe, not high on Bienemy
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Joe Douglas is playing 34D chess: bring in scrubs for second interviews, force panicking Lions, Falcons, Chargers FO's to sign said scrubs, enjoy a leisurely cup of tea while waiting for playoff coordinators to beg for last remaining HC job besides Philly.
Lol. That would be funny. We should interview Gase just to freak with people.
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Daboll or Martindale maybe, not high on Bienemy
Coach Beans will remember your lack of faith
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Coach Beans will remember your lack of faith
And I'd love to say I'm wrong if we win with him
Swing and a miss for like 3 years in a row tells me enough . Hws interviewed how many times with teams in this span
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Daboll or Martindale maybe, not high on Bienemy
Did they even do a call with Martindale? If so I missed that.
I've no interest in Daboll. The only argument for his hire is one season of Josh Allen, his track record before that isn't very good and I think we can attribute at least as much credit for this season to Beane, Diggs and Allen himself.
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Did they even do a call with Martindale? If so I missed that.
I've no interest in Daboll. The only argument for his hire is one season of Josh Allen, his track record before that isn't very good and I think we can attribute at least as much credit for this season to Beane, Diggs and Allen himself.
Martindale hasn't received any bites from any of the teams looking for HCs.
Daboll has been on 6 championship winning teams, he has history with the Jets franchise (mangini's staff), players love him, his offense this year has been incredible. Like i told you in our chat, he's not my top candidate, but he isn't a bottom feeder either. I think you're a little off-base.
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Did they even do a call with Martindale? If so I missed that.
I think Martindale has declined all interviews until Baltimore is out. He's locked in.
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Daboll has been on 6 championship winning teams
Matt Patricia has 3 Super Bowl rings. Romeo Crennel has 5. I attach exactly zero value to someone who was along for the ride with Belichick or Saban.
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Did they even do a call with Martindale? If so I missed that.
I've no interest in Daboll. The only argument for his hire is one season of Josh Allen, his track record before that isn't very good and I think we can attribute at least as much credit for this season to Beane, Diggs and Allen himself.
Martindale isn't accepting any sort of interviews until.the Ravens season is over
Lamar Jackson complained to ownership about coaches interviewing last season
Ravens listened
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Martindale isn't accepting any sort of interviews until.the Ravens season is over
Lamar Jackson complained to ownership about coaches interviewing last season
Ravens listened
This post makes Deshaun Jackson sad all over again.
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Matt Patricia has 3 Super Bowl rings. Romeo Crennel has 5. I attach exactly zero value to someone who was along for the ride with Belichick or Saban.
The Jets apparently like him....so you will too. Or you will suffer.
I think Daboll deserves HC consideration in this league.
I'm also not comparing Daboll to 2 former DCs. #applesoranges
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The Jets apparently like him....so you will too. Or you will suffer.
I think Daboll deserves HC consideration in this league.
I'm also not comparing Daboll to 2 former DCs. #applesoranges
I think Daboll's offensive rankings up until this year are Gaserific.
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I think Daboll's offensive rankings up until this year are Gaserific.
What are Bieniemy's offensive rankings... want to hire him based on rankings alone?
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I'm also not comparing Daboll to 2 former DCs. #applesoranges
We aren't him to be an OC. He will be the HC. It's perfectly reasonable to compare any kind of coach to someone from that coaching tree.
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We aren't him to be an OC. He will be the HC. It's perfectly reasonable to compare any kind of coach to someone from that coaching tree.
Mangini loves him. Hired him here in NY, and brought him to Cle.
His offenses stunk, but maybe he's learned from past mistakes....his fingerprints are clearly all over this Buffalo offense.
Again, not my top candidate, but not the worst one either.
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Mangini loves him.
But he's not Mangini, so I don't care.
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I'd much rather have the Shanahan offense in NY. An offense that has always been good.
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But he's not Mangini, so I don't care.
You might have to....JD might hire him.
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What are Bieniemy's offensive rankings... want to hire him based on rankings alone?
I don't want to hire anyone based on rankings alone but I'm not going to ignore them, either.
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I'd much rather have the Shanahan offense in NY. An offense that has always been good.
No excrement
Saleh should be on top of everyone's list here.
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I don't want to hire anyone based on rankings alone but I'm not going to ignore them, either.
of course not.
But that seems to be the JE way of evaluating coaches...."where was he ranked 10 years ago"
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I don't want to do this whole AFC East musical chairs excrement anymore.
It's stale.
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Hire Dabo Swinney so Trevor Lawrence forces a trade to us then fire Dabo Swinney and send him back to Clemson
4D Chess
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I don't want to do this whole AFC East musical chairs excrement anymore.
It's stale.
JD and Daboll have the same haircut.....it's over, man.
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JD and Daboll have the same haircut.....it's over, man.
Saleh is bald too
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Saleh is bald too
this is the way
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My bald and balding QB philosophy holds up and will never crumble.
We need to put this myth to rest: can bald and balding coaches succeed?
8 teams left in the playoffs. Only three of them have bald/balding coaches. Lets see how this plays out.
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My bald and balding QB philosophy holds up and will never crumble.
We need to put this myth to rest: can bald and balding coaches succeed?
8 teams left in the playoffs. Only three of them have bald/balding coaches. Lets see how this plays out.
As someone who has a healthy pandemic skullet forming on this melon....i'm on #TeamBald
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My bald and balding QB philosophy holds up and will never crumble.
We need to put this myth to rest: can bald and balding coaches succeed?
8 teams left in the playoffs. Only three of them have bald/balding coaches. Lets see how this plays out.
I would almost take this personally but I'm pretty much done coaching so I'll let it slide.
Saleh would be the Jets coach to look most like me in history.
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Saleh would be the Jets coach to look most like me in history.
He does not have an earring
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I would almost take this personally but I'm pretty much done coaching so I'll let it slide.
When I was forced into coaching JV basketball my first year, we went up against 6 bald coaches in a row.
Undefeated. Dome domination.
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I would almost take this personally but I'm pretty much done coaching so I'll let it slide.
Saleh would be the Jets coach to look most like me in history.
Having met you, I can agree that both you and Robert Saleh are similarly follicly challenged. There the resemblance ends.
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Hire Dabo Swinney so Trevor Lawrence forces a trade to us then fire Dabo Swinney and send him back to Clemson
4D Chess
Let's wait until Clemson hires his replacement and then fire him so he has to take a job at FAU.
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I'd much rather have the Shanahan offense in NY. An offense that has always been good.
This is why I went from Daboll #1 to sign Saleh
I have the utmost faith in that system and if Saleh brings someone who Kyle Shanahan has had in his back pocket for 4 to 6 years
I'm comfortable with that
I like Daboll because I tjink.you get Ken Dorsey as a package deal at OC
So if you're skeptic of Daboll you know you're getting a guy who can still work with QBs while Daboll manages the staff
All that being said I love the idea of the Shanahan system since RPO and spread has led to weaker OL
Get some hogs and run it
Just slam it down peoples throats and get a mobile qb who can hit short to intermediate nice with the occasional deep ball
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This is why I went from Daboll #1 to sign Saleh
I have the utmost faith in that system and if Saleh brings someone who Kyle Shanahan has had in his back pocket for 4 to 6 years
I'm comfortable with that
I like Daboll because I tjink.you get Ken Dorsey as a package deal at OC
So if you're skeptic of Daboll you know you're getting a guy who can still work with QBs while Daboll manages the staff
All that being said I love the idea of the Shanahan system since RPO and spread has led to weaker OL
Get some hogs and run it
Just slam it down peoples throats and get a mobile qb who can hit short to intermediate nice with the occasional deep ball
All of these are reasons why I would like to dive into the young Shanny's coaching tree.
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He does not have an earring
They can come out and go back in, it's remarkable.
When I was forced into coaching JV basketball my first year, we went up against 6 bald coaches in a row.
Undefeated. Dome domination.
Nice work. I'd coach hoops again under the right circumstances, softball is over my head now. They're playing HS ball, need actual softball coaches.
Having met you, I can agree that both you and Robert Saleh are similarly follicly challenged. There the resemblance ends.
You missed the disclaimer, compared to any other Jets coach. I've only seen pictures of Saleh.
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They can come out and go back in, it's remarkable
Saleh does not have an earring
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Saleh does not have an earring
might have a rooster ring. Better deploy puck to make sure.
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Looking like Saleh, Smith, Daboll. Choose your weapon. I'm guessing it's Daboll>Saleh>Smith with the Jets. I don't know, just a hunch.
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This is why I went from Daboll #1 to sign Saleh
I have the utmost faith in that system and if Saleh brings someone who Kyle Shanahan has had in his back pocket for 4 to 6 years
I'm comfortable with that
I like Daboll because I tjink.you get Ken Dorsey as a package deal at OC
So if you're skeptic of Daboll you know you're getting a guy who can still work with QBs while Daboll manages the staff
All that being said I love the idea of the Shanahan system since RPO and spread has led to weaker OL
Get some hogs and run it
Just slam it down peoples throats and get a mobile qb who can hit short to intermediate nice with the occasional deep ball
I think I have a Ken Dorsey rookie card somewhere. It was a picture of him in shorts at training camp.
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Saleh does not have an earring
Neither do I right now. Only on game days when I can annoy uptight people.
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I think I have a Ken Dorsey rookie card somewhere. It was a picture of him in shorts at training camp.
Ken Dorsey's offensive line was so good at Miami that he didn't get sacked for an entire season. Easily the best team I've ever watched.
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Neither do I right now. Only on game days when I can annoy uptight people.
I'm gonna wear a monocle to the next tailgate so it can fall into my drink when I see your earring again.
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I haven't worn an earring in close to three decades, but I still have a lump in my ear where the hole was. Don't know if I could still get one through, but I might have to try just to see what my wife says. I think I'd look quite spiffy with a diamond stud.
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I haven't worn an earring in close to three decades, but I still have a lump in my ear where the hole was. Don't know if I could still get one through, but I might have to try just to see what my wife says. I think I'd look quite spiffy with a diamond stud.
The only time I wear one now is Jet games I'm attending, so obviously not at all this year. The Jets one is real thick, normally I dip it in Listerine to help get it through there and if I rip any skin it's a disinfectant. #ProTip
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I'm gonna wear a monocle to the next tailgate so it can fall into my drink when I see your earring again.
That might be a good look for you.
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Don't want Smith because he looks weird.
Dont want Brady because his name is Brady.
Don't want Daboll because he was prolly doing gay things with Josh Allen and I'm tired of AFCE incest.
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Theory
I was thinking about the Jets coaching search and the NFL's rules for interviewing last night, and I came up with a theory on why, amongst other things, the Jets didn't hire Saleh.
I don't think Saleh is actually the Jets' top choice, rather I think he was the Jets top choice of who we can interview right now. If you remember teams are not allowed to have in person interviews with coaches who are in the playoffs. Glenn, Staley, Roman, Daboll are actually not allowed to come to the Jets facility until their respective teams are out of the league.
My theory is that Saleh isn't actually the Jets choice, and we will see a number of candidates be interviewed on Sunday and Monday post the divisional round playoffs. This is when the interviews will heatup. I think a decision will likely be made on Monday or Tuesday depending on who wins/lose this weekend.
Honestly that makes sense to me. It definitely seemed like Douglas approached FA very deliberately last year, almost to a fault. Didn't want to engage in bidding wars, did thorough evaluations and stuck to them, and was not willing to buy high on hype. I feel like it would have been out of character for him to lock onto one guy for HC based on one zoom interview and then 'not let him out the door'. Hopefully his reputation in the league gives him some leeway in terms of HC candidates willing to be patient with the decision making process.
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1349804335044186117?s=21
Daboll to anywhere but LAC
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1349804335044186117?s=21
Daboll to anywhere but LAC
If Hughes had said this, agreed. Rogers is actually good.
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Rogers is a Jets fan who knows his stuff with the draft. I'm a fan.
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He also kicked Matt Miller in the nuts on his way out at B/R.
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If Hughes had said this, agreed. Rogers is actually good.
ACAB
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ACAB
4 honks
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ACAB
Too many dipshits named Connor/Conner. We need to have tryouts.
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I prefer Selah because he's jacked AF and deploys a "get-back man" to keep his derriere from murdering someone on the field.
#klaxlogic
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I prefer Selah because he's jacked AF and deploys a "get-back man" to keep his derriere from murdering someone on the field.
#klaxlogic
Most importantly, what face does he make when we blow a lead in the 4th quarter to a shitty team? The sad face is important with this team.
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If Hughes had said this, agreed. Rogers is actually good.
https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1349333971834957824?s=21
So good
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1349804335044186117?s=21
Daboll to anywhere but LAC
I beat them by 6 hours
#IncarceratedCoachK
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Horrible shitty quality lol
But exactly why I had a meltdown about Saleh
Why lose on your top 3 guy in the hopes your top candidate might be dumb enough to pass on LAC for here
Doesn't mean I'm right about Daboll being their guy though but yeah
SALAD bar Salami Allah
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Daboll vs Saleh. Who you got? Saleh for me.
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Daboll vs Saleh. Who you got? Saleh for me.
I'd rather have Saleh.
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I'd rather have Saleh.
Same
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I prefer Selah because he's jacked AF and deploys a "get-back man" to keep his derriere from murdering someone on the field.
#klaxlogic
Great idea, this will allow us to bring back Larkjums
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Daboll vs Saleh. Who you got? Saleh for me.
I'll take Saleh
We know we're getting a good D installed and we tap into that coaching tree
His coaching ties and plans excited me far more once that news got out
At this point though I just need to relax and trust JD
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Horrible shitty quality lol
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Lol I know that's why ibwas referencing
Let's all start screenwriting a screenshot and see how horrible it gets
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Let's Gase-ify it
His eyes were from trying to read the low fidelity (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210114/24fc068c38dd67b74d671eb1bb78f118.jpg)
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god dammit
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Titans OC Arthur Smith is en route to Florida to meet with the Eagles now, I'm told. Smith interviewed in Atlanta yesterday, and with the Jets in Jersey last night and this morning.
He'll be in Detroit to interview with the Lions tomorrow.
These guys are basically just traveling the country and circle jerking each other.
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My bald and balding QB philosophy holds up and will never crumble.
We need to put this myth to rest: can bald and balding coaches succeed?
8 teams left in the playoffs. Only three of them have bald/balding coaches. Lets see how this plays out.
HERE WE GO
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HERE WE GO
Are you really bald if you could have hair but choose to shave your head?
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Are you really bald if you could have hair but choose to shave your head?
Yes.
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Can we kill/merge this thread now?
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The search is off. We got our guy.
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5224.0.html