Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 02:53:27 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 28, 2020, 03:49:28 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 08:06:39 AM
Reducing the number of keepers is the best compromise, I think.
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 08:16:43 AM
I'm cool with anything other than an immediate change.
Reducing the number of keepers is the best compromise, I think.
I could probably get on board with 1 keeper per team and getting rid of "franchise" players. I really do hate keeper leagues....but i'm willing to compromise.
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:10:53 AM
I'm pretty much for any of them other than "Eliminate effective immediately."I voted for that but I'm open to a reduced number of keepers for 2020 and no keepers 2021
Post by: IATA on July 28, 2020, 11:55:17 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 02, 2020, 07:38:32 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 02, 2020, 07:41:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 02, 2020, 08:58:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 02, 2020, 09:05:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 03, 2020, 12:10:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 03, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
Let me bring Michael Thomas with me and you can have the rest, babbie
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 03, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 03, 2020, 03:02:26 PM
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 03, 2020, 04:55:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 03, 2020, 06:14:26 PM
I'm probably out. I just don't find the concept/experience of keepers enjoyable.This guy gets it
It’s not about having shitty keepers....I just hate keeper leagues in general. It takes the fun out of drafting.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 03, 2020, 06:25:26 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 03, 2020, 06:48:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2020, 10:14:05 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2020, 10:24:30 AM
Don’t let MB back in thoSeconded
Post by: IATA on August 04, 2020, 12:41:21 PM
i dont even care anymore, keepers no keepers whatever
just tell me when to send dues.
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2020, 01:05:16 PM
god damnit you pansiesCheers bro
i dont even care anymore, keepers no keepers whatever
just tell me when to send dues.
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Post by: IATA on August 04, 2020, 02:24:24 PM
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
We can always reduce the number of teams.Which would ironically solve the problem of keepers making the draft feel like bargain bin shopping
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 04, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Which would ironically solve the problem of keepers making the draft feel like bargain bin shopping
This is true
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 04, 2020, 03:44:22 PM
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 04, 2020, 04:41:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2020, 05:21:59 PM
I'd be open to 1 keeper 2020 and no keepers 2021 but to be clear I am not trying to force a decision that the rest of the league doesn't want.I would’ve been fine with this
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 04, 2020, 05:26:44 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2020, 05:30:05 PM
At the end of the day, I'm open to whatever keeps Badger in the league.Thanks babbie
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 05, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
I would’ve been fine with this
Soz mate
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 05:11:50 PM
I would’ve been fine with this
That's not really a concession when the majority of the league wants to retain keepers in some form.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 05:14:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 05:25:24 PM
That's not really a concession when the majority of the league wants to retain keepers in some form.My concession is that I pay $60 every year to participate while the rest of you pay $40.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 05:28:47 PM
My concession is that I pay $60 every year to participate while the rest of you pay $40.
Though I appreciate it. That's not necessary, dude.
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 05:36:00 PM
Though I appreciate it. That's not necessary, dude.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200805/d87b59e18cea26e103fd66bcb21b995b.jpg)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 05:40:23 PM
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I missed the part about the exchange rate initially. What do you want from me? I just got off work and thought you were actually offering something in exchange for the result that you want.
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 05:43:17 PM
I missed the part about the exchange rate initially. What do you want from me? I just got off work and thought you were actually offering something in exchange for the result that you want.You misunderstood....that wasn’t an offer, ive already been conceding that since I started this league. I’m not complaining...i was merely pointing out that I have made concessions.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 05:46:36 PM
You misunderstood....that wasn’t an offer, ive already been conceding that since I started this league. I’m not complaining...i was merely pointing out that I have made concessions.
I understand. I misunderstood initially because I momentarily forgot that you live in Canada and have to deal with the exchange rate. I tried to explain that in my reply.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 05:56:48 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2020, 06:02:17 PM
If what people want above all else is to keep everyone together, we can restart the league without keepers. I'll leave that up to you all.I was hoping MB wouldn't call my bluff, but I prefer keeping everyone together as opposed to losing the league.
I think it's lame to play a year and make in-season pickups all season with one eye on next season, only to have the rug ripped out, but I still would rather keep the league together over everything.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
Restructure the keeper settings: limit the amount of keepers for the following season, shorten the keeper length, and other stuff like that.
I've had Michael Thomas for an 8th round pick for 4 years. There are plenty of other situations like that around the league now. It basically limits parity in the league.
I love keeper and dynasty leagues, but those leagues are more fun when every GM is all in.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2020, 06:16:48 PM
I'd hate to have GMs pay full dues only for the league to either be cut short or for their teams to crap out because one of their most important players gets put on the COVID list for a week or two.
Why not use the pandemic season as a season to experiment with a different style?
I've always liked the idea of a veteran only draft with a separate portion (1 to 3 rounds) set aside for rookies. Maybe allow one veteran keeper and a rookie keeper. Rookies can be kept for two seasons, vets for only one.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:18:32 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
Given the circumstances, I'm fine with resetting if that's what the majority wants. If the season was cut short, everyone would be refunded their dues but, yes, there's definitely going to be an elevated amount of risk this year.
That's a pain in the derriere to get everyone's money back to them, especially for the Canadian assholes.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
One suggestion I would make - if we do a redraft league, let's do an auction format. Auction drafts are way more fun.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:21:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2020, 06:21:06 PM
One suggestion I would make - if we do a redraft league, let's do an auction format. Auction drafts are way more fun.
This would be cool as well.
I'm in favor of changing it up.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:22:25 PM
That's a pain in the derriere to get everyone's money back to them, especially for the Canadian assholes.
The Canadians may be an exception but returning funds, in general, isn't that hard. I don't even touch the funds in PayPal until it's time to pay people out after the season.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:28:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 06:28:17 PM
The Canadians may be an exception but returning funds, in general, isn't that hard. I don't even touch the funds in PayPal until it's time to pay people out after the season.You would send me the $40 like anyone else....PayPal does the exchange rate automatically
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:32:29 PM
You would send me the $40 like anyone else....PayPal does the exchange rate automatically
Heis was the one who suggested that it might be difficult. I already said that I would refund everyone if the season is cut short... Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of discussing the dues. They're not relevant to this discussion.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2020, 06:35:53 PM
You would send me the $40 like anyone else....PayPal does the exchange rate automatically
freak off, mate
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 06:37:07 PM
Heis was the one who suggested that it might be difficult. I already said that I would refund everyone if the season is cut short... Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of discussing the dues. They're not relevant to this discussion.There other issues too...like I’m not sure if Pope is coming back to the board
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:39:21 PM
There other issues too...like I’m not sure if Pope is coming back to the board
That's another reason I suggested shrinking the league. I'm not sure who all is coming back.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:40:42 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 06:51:38 PM
Honestly, if this becomes too difficult to organize it may be best to just close shop.
Jumbo
casman02
IS
laxin
pope
they've either been silent or have been limited in their board participation recently
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2020, 07:01:18 PM
Yeah, that's not looking good. We did get 9 responses to the poll though...We should be able to field 10 GMs
Post by: IATA on August 05, 2020, 07:02:44 PM
Forreal though, I don't care. Keepers, no keepers, reset, auction... idgaf.
Post by: casman02 on August 06, 2020, 09:15:52 PM
My preference if we are going away from keepers and trying to appease everyone would be for 1 keeper this year and then fully eliminate them next year as people made decisions with keepers in mind last year. In the end, I will be fine with anything as long as it is a distraction.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 06, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
Post by: Laxin on August 07, 2020, 07:23:07 AM
Jumbo
casman02
IS
laxin
pope
they've either been silent or have been limited in their board participation recently
I'm still around and in for the league if it's happening.
Post by: MBGreen on August 07, 2020, 10:18:29 AM
Just let MB come up with the rules, and then we can change the shitty ones, like 4-point sacks.
it was 5 pt sacks...but it only works in IDP leagues, which Friars obviously isn't.
i already came up with the rules for the Friars....i'm the founder. Iggy implemented the keeper stuff, which i hated from the beginning.
If you guys want to have 1 keeper this year, and eliminate them completely in 2021....i think that's a fair compromise.
3 keepers with franchise players was way too much.
Post by: IATA on August 09, 2020, 09:03:50 AM
it is decided.
now lets confirm whos in and out and get a date for the draft.
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 08:30:56 AM
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2020, 10:05:09 AM
We're already creeping into mid August. If 1 keeper is a "go"...IATA is right, we should hammer out a date for the draft.So you're back in lol?
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
So you're back in lol?
1 keeper this year, and eliminating them for good in 2021 is a solid compromise. So i'm back in.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 12:50:46 PM
1 keeper this year, and eliminating them for good in 2021 is a solid compromise. So i'm back in.
You basically strong-armed the league into getting what you want, when a majority of the league didn't want any changes for this season, and are now calling it a compromise.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 12:51:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 01:17:59 PM
You basically strong-armed the league into getting what you want, when a majority of the league didn't want any changes for this season, and are now calling it a compromise.
*sigh*....fine, shut it down then. I don't give that much of a freak.
any other dumb, useless assertions?
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
enjoy the season.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 01:20:42 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 10, 2020, 01:20:58 PM
you know what...freak it...I'm out.
enjoy the season.
lmao what
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 01:21:19 PM
you know what...freak it...I'm out.
enjoy the season.
Happy trails
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 01:50:58 PM
I just don't enjoy the blatant dishonesty. As I've said previously, we can do whatever the majority wants which, as of right now, is reducing the number of keepers to one for this season and then eliminate them entirely for next season.Dude...you clearly enjoy being an annoying queynte. I know you can’t help it, but for the rest of us, maybe up your Ritalin dosage
I didn’t strong arm anyone...go freak yourself
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
Happy trailsYep thanks
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 01:59:38 PM
Dude...you clearly enjoy being an annoying queynte. I know you can’t help it, but for the rest of us, maybe up your Ritalin dosage
I didn’t strong arm anyone...go freak yourself
Bye Felicia
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
Bye FeliciaI heard you the first time, dumbfuck.
#GetThatRitalin
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 10, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
Jumbo
casman02
IS
laxin
pope
they've either been silent or have been limited in their board participation recently
If we do it I'm in, even saved $40 on my Venmo for you.
Don't care about the rules, I'll probably take last regardless.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 02:25:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 10, 2020, 03:10:50 PM
If that ship has sailed and we're dropping to 10 teams, I would prefer.
- Auction
- Superflex (aka 2 quarterbacks)
- No keepers (only because QB values would change so much where keepers would be unfair)
But again, I'll play regardless of what we do. Though an 8-team league is pretty lame IMO.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 10, 2020, 03:15:52 PM
Lets do it
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 10, 2020, 03:20:47 PM
I think a superflex spot is the best way to do it. That way, most teams can use it to start 2 quarterbacks. But if your 2nd quarterback is shitty, or if you can't find 2 healthy QBs not on bye, you can start a RB/WR/TE.
Post by: IATA on August 10, 2020, 03:28:41 PM
I'd be fine with the superflex thing, assuming there's reasonable position limits on roster slots. Hoarding is dumb
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 03:54:45 PM
I mean, MB basically said "Change the rules to what I want or I'm done." Call it a compromise, call it strong-arming the league, I don't really care, but we were willing to change the rules to appease MB and Badger. Like I said before - change the rules to whatever MB wants within reason, and I'll play regardless. I would prefer to play with MB and everyone else on this board than not.
If that ship has sailed and we're dropping to 10 teams, I would prefer.
- Auction
- Superflex (aka 2 quarterbacks)
- No keepers (only because QB values would change so much where keepers would be unfair)
But again, I'll play regardless of what we do. Though an 8-team league is pretty lame IMO.
Auction drafts are great, you guys will have fun with that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 10, 2020, 06:10:01 PM
I mean, MB basically said "Change the rules to what I want or I'm done." Call it a compromise, call it strong-arming the league, I don't really care, but we were willing to change the rules to appease MB and Badger. Like I said before - change the rules to whatever MB wants within reason, and I'll play regardless. I would prefer to play with MB and everyone else on this board than not.
If that ship has sailed and we're dropping to 10 teams, I would prefer.
- Auction
- Superflex (aka 2 quarterbacks)
- No keepers (only because QB values would change so much where keepers would be unfair)
But again, I'll play regardless of what we do. Though an 8-team league is pretty lame IMO.
Reducing the number of teams to 8 is not something that's on the table. If fewer than 10 people return, we'll fill the extra slots.
As for everything you just proposed, I'm fine with that as long as no one else is opposed.
Post by: casman02 on August 10, 2020, 07:58:17 PM
When would no keeper take impact?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 11, 2020, 01:20:02 PM
Post by: IATA on August 12, 2020, 02:31:41 PM
Post by: IATA on August 13, 2020, 01:58:50 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 13, 2020, 04:47:21 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 13, 2020, 04:48:09 PM
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 04:58:07 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 14, 2020, 03:39:00 AM
The way things are going right now and considering how close we are to the season, I'd rather not completely overhaul the rulesThat's fine. Auctions are better but I will do whatever.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 14, 2020, 12:07:13 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 14, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
Post by: Laxin on August 14, 2020, 12:43:38 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 14, 2020, 12:44:57 PM
I could care less about keepers fwiwMe too man
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2020, 12:59:47 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 14, 2020, 01:29:50 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 14, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2020, 01:51:39 PM
I haven't heard from Pope or Jumbo. I'm assuming everyone else is in unless I'm told otherwise.
The libs deactivated Jumbo's modem
Post by: Johnny English on August 14, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
The libs deactivated Jumbo's modem
Drafts are socialism
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 14, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
I would prefer an auction to a draft because they are more fun, but if people are going to quit over it, do whatever they want.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2020, 02:38:42 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 15, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 15, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
I’m open to whatever night except sept 8.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 15, 2020, 12:18:38 PM
Did I see the draft is 8pm on a Saturday? I work until 10 on Saturdays.
That's a placeholder. As always, the plan is to hold the draft one night on LDW.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 16, 2020, 09:46:46 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2020, 08:01:32 AM
That's a placeholder. As always, the plan is to hold the draft one night on LDW.
How is the draft order going to be determined this year....random draw?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 17, 2020, 03:58:23 PM
How is the draft order going to be determined this year....random draw?
Yes
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2020, 03:59:18 PM
Yescan’t wait
Post by: IATA on August 21, 2020, 12:23:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 21, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 21, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 21, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
In an effort to simplify, we'll have a 10-team redraft at 8pm on Sunday, 9/6. If this day or time doesn't work for you, please make that known. The draft order will be randomly determined an hour before draft time.
If you guys want to do one keeper, that's fine. I don't really care at this point. I'd like to have everyone's dues in by the prior Wednesday, 9/2.
Post by: MBGreen on August 21, 2020, 08:15:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 21, 2020, 08:37:48 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2020, 01:38:57 AM
..... wait
Post by: Laxin on August 22, 2020, 10:19:04 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 23, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
Post by: IATA on August 23, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 25, 2020, 07:09:46 AM
Post by: casman02 on August 25, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
so uhh, are we doing a keeper? lmao
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 26, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
If you want to weigh in on keepers, respond to the poll.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2020, 07:38:23 PM
Right now only day that’s a hard no is 9/5
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 26, 2020, 08:06:33 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Sunday, 9/6 at 8pm EST
I'm busy
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2020, 09:43:26 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 31, 2020, 03:30:35 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2020, 03:31:19 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 31, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 31, 2020, 05:48:51 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 31, 2020, 05:50:15 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
We're proceeding without keepers.
I'm out
Post by: casman02 on August 31, 2020, 06:17:40 PM
I've received dues from 5 people. 4 to go.Waiting for money to transfer from bank to paypal. A lot longer process than I thought
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 31, 2020, 06:47:37 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2020, 06:48:38 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 03, 2020, 08:52:29 AM
Post by: IATA on September 03, 2020, 09:32:38 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 03, 2020, 09:33:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2020, 02:05:42 PM
We're good to go now.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2020, 02:33:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
Can’t wait until Mack fucks up the draft despite there being no keepers
lol
Post by: Heismanberg on September 03, 2020, 04:09:43 PM
Can’t wait until Mack fucks up the draft despite there being no keepers
"Harry Potter is on"
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2020, 06:27:40 PM
"Harry Potter is on"That was Soss
Post by: casman02 on September 03, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 03, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Is draft order random?
Yes
Post by: MBGreen on September 04, 2020, 07:52:29 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 04, 2020, 08:06:32 AM
That was Soss
Don't care
Post by: MBGreen on September 04, 2020, 08:10:02 AM
Don't care
Mack might take offense and beat you up
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 04, 2020, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 04, 2020, 09:06:00 PM
Last time I fucked up the draft was RG3's rookie season. Reputations don't die easy.
It’s important to maintain the integrity of the joke by making it every year
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 06, 2020, 09:00:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 06, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
Draft tonight
LFG
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 06, 2020, 01:26:20 PM
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2020, 03:07:19 PM
Make sure to remove all the keepers before the draft tonight
Done