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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 10:42:48 AM

Title: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 10:42:48 AM
I figure we can have a thread purely devoted to cap space debates and speculation.

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1287407890123444226?s=19

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1287408490017939461?s=19
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1287408490017939461?s=19

I think the probability of re-signing Jenkins is low. He already seemed to have a.hiher evaluation of his value than the tram did this season and re-signed this time as a last resort. If his numbers stay the same then he is isn't going to get a better  long-term deal from the Jets and if they go up then he's going ro look for a huge pay day.

I don't think we'll be bringing back both Dessir and Poole.

Davis was supposedly brought in to replace Maye so it seems like they would be occupying the same space on the roster; I think we see Maye walk in that scenario.

If Fant turns out to be a solid RT then we can use our draft picks to upgrade over Perriman.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2020, 02:00:13 PM
If we didn’t have seemingly 10+ guys on 1 year deals, I’d feel a lot better about being 7th in cap space going into next offseason.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 02:28:42 PM
The mission from here on out is clearly to build through the draft. We'll augment our roster through some free agent additions but hopefully most of the cap will be devoted to resigning our homegrown talent. Big Doug has quite the job ahead of him but I'm hopeful he's up to the task.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 05:05:25 PM
WR, CB and EDGE will definitely be major targets.

I'm hoping Fart works out so we can breathe easy on exterior OLine for at least a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
WR, CB and EDGE will definitely be major targets.

I'm hoping Fart works out so we can breathe easy on exterior OLine for at least a couple of seasons.
This mf said Fart
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2020, 05:29:59 PM



Fart .....breathe easy....



Uhuhuh

Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Quote
Teams with the most estimated salary cap space in 2021

1. Jaguars- $76.8M
2. Colts- $66.5M
3. Patriots- $64M
4. Jets- $60.5M
5. Football Team- $50.6M
6. Ravens- $44.7M
7. Broncos- $29.5M
8. Dolphins- $27.7M
9. Bengals- $26.9M
10. Browns- $24.7M

-JasonOTC
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
Better freaking spend it.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2020, 02:43:15 PM
Where is dcm?
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: reuben on October 11, 2020, 05:02:09 PM
Probably forgot his password again
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2020, 11:41:38 PM
I see you lurking plz update us on George Farts cap hit
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
OTC updated with estimated $180.5 million expected cap.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/881dc171be7e10a4f25149a6e082a51b.jpg)
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2021, 11:31:14 AM
Presumably based on this:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-2021-nfl-salary-cap-expected-around-180m-181m-1.1589375
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:33:42 AM
Saints roster gon' get raided. They can't afford a wet fart, but I say that every year and they manage to mortgage the future somehow.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2021, 11:42:32 AM
Saints roster gon' get raided. They can't afford a wet fart, but I say that every year and they manage to mortgage the future somehow.


They've got some easy restructures with big contracts like Ramzycyzyzycyk and Alexander, and if Brees retires that will probably free up a chunk, but $75M is a big cap hole to climb out of.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2021, 11:48:09 AM
They've got some easy restructures with big contracts like Ramzycyzyzycyk and Alexander, and if Brees retires that will probably free up a chunk, but $75M is a big cap hole to climb out of.

We should trade for Ramczyk
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:51:09 AM
We should trade for Ramczyk

#TeamRamrod

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTThrs0HOxgksVLuEwBc5eOt2tgNVzuXTlqnQ&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
#TeamRamrod

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTThrs0HOxgksVLuEwBc5eOt2tgNVzuXTlqnQ&usqp=CAU)
Ramrod 2021.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on February 07, 2021, 12:15:56 PM
We should trade for Ramczyk

If we weren’t trying to trade for Watson, I’d send a pick for Ramczyk in a heartbeat
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 08, 2021, 10:08:46 AM
This thread is my cue to go into hibernation for the off season, or until something actually happens involving the Jets.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2021, 01:54:18 PM
This thread is my cue to go into hibernation for the off season

Finally
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 08, 2021, 04:49:48 PM
This thread is my cue to go into hibernation for the off season, or until something actually happens involving the Jets.
Finally

the knicks just got d-rose
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Jumbo on February 09, 2021, 01:45:55 PM
Cap is likely to be $180-181 million (was projected by most to be $175) https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1358454929237630976
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on February 18, 2021, 08:17:15 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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7m
NFL informed teams today the salary cap this season will be a minimum of $180 million.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2021, 09:12:01 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
7m
NFL informed teams today the salary cap this season will be a minimum of $180 million.

Good for us. If it had been the $185-190M that was rumoured in some parts it would have given other teams a bit more room for manoeuvre. $180M is low enough that we'll have a bit more financial muscle to flex than many in FA.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
Good for us. If it had been the $185-190M that was rumoured in some parts it would have given other teams a bit more room for manoeuvre. $180M is low enough that we'll have a bit more financial muscle to flex than many in FA.

We're projected to have the third most cap space (before cuts). 
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 18, 2021, 09:13:15 AM
Is that the least amount we can spend or the lowest estimated value for the most amount we can spend?
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2021, 09:20:34 AM
We're projected to have the third most cap space (before cuts). 

Yeah - there are four teams with cap space in excess of $60M (Colts, Jags, Patriots, us) and then a big gap to Washington in 5th who have less than $40M. 8 teams are $20M or more in the hole and need to do a bunch of cuts and restructuring just to be able to afford their rookies, and the Saints should probably just quit and go home now with the mess they're in.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on February 18, 2021, 09:20:51 AM
Is that the least amount we can spend or the lowest estimated value for the most amount we can spend?

it's essentially the cap floor for all teams.  Nobody knows what the ceiling is yet.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2021, 11:05:14 AM
Is that the least amount we can spend or the lowest estimated value for the most amount we can spend?
it's essentially the cap floor for all teams.  Nobody knows what the ceiling is yet.
It's the latter of what Cato was saying.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 18, 2021, 11:30:51 AM
it's essentially the cap floor for all teams.  Nobody knows what the ceiling is yet.

K. Gracias.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2021, 01:05:36 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1370449651296473088?s=19

Just like that, cap space is cleared and the Chiefs can go shopping for a tackle.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1370449651296473088?s=19

Just like that, cap space is cleared and the Chiefs can go shopping for a tackle.

They were like negative 6 million

If Mahomes freed up 17 million, they'd likely have little more than enoguh to sign rookies
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 03:55:34 PM
We are crushing it
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2021, 11:10:50 AM
$50.3M cap space remaining as per movieboy
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2021, 12:59:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1453780705981472768
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1453780705981472768
The Enunwa contract... woof
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Miamipuck on October 28, 2021, 02:22:56 PM
Lost73
@Lost7310
·
1h
Replying to
@Willpa11
God dam we still paying Trumaine Johnson... does he have to wear a ski mask to deposit those checks..
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2022, 06:03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1481708100558196738?t=v_JontnRvYqFpXSDwQWDew&s=19

Gat dayum I forgot about all that dead money.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2022, 07:25:25 PM


https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1481708100558196738?t=v_JontnRvYqFpXSDwQWDew&s=19

Gat datum I forgot about all that dead money.

Nearly $27M. Dayum indeed.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 13, 2022, 08:06:18 PM
Can't wait to sign some guys to be dead money in 2024.

Quincy is the craziest one to me. Got hurt in 1st quarter of 2019 and we are still paying him.

I had forgotten about the existence of Tremaine Johnson until that tweet.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 18, 2022, 09:45:48 AM
https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1483121093942591491?s=21

This was a really poor team for using all of our cap space. Hopefully some of that was dead money

Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2022, 09:48:35 AM
https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1483121093942591491?s=21

This was a really poor team for using all of our cap space. Hopefully some of that was dead money
$27 million, unless you were joking.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2022, 09:50:01 AM
https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1483121093942591491?s=21

This was a really poor team for using all of our cap space. Hopefully some of that was dead money



$36M in dead money last year. Almost $24M to Trumaine Johnson, Darnold, Bell, Enunwa and Osemele.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on January 18, 2022, 09:52:34 AM
$36M in dead money last year. Almost $24M to Trumaine Johnson, Darnold, Bell, Enunwa and Osemele.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/

Enooooooooooonpay
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2022, 09:53:22 AM
As things stand we have $1.5M in dead money next season, and I'm only seeing maybe another couple of million being added from likely cuts. There are no big disaster contracts that we will have to dump.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
$36M in dead money last year. Almost $24M to Trumaine Johnson, Darnold, Bell, Enunwa and Osemele.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/
Yeah, this.  I was wrong.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on January 18, 2022, 09:07:49 PM
As things stand we have $1.5M in dead money next season, and I'm only seeing maybe another couple of million being added from likely cuts. There are no big disaster contracts that we will have to dump.

I think we only really have 1 “bad” contract on the books, in CJ Mosely. He will be here next year barring some incredible trade offer to us, but the year after he will be cut for a decent savings and dead cap hit if memory serves
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 19, 2022, 07:33:52 AM
It’s not a bad contract if the player is actually good.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2022, 07:43:00 AM
It’s not a bad contract if the player is actually good.
Overpaying a good player is an affront to the Cap Gods and must be appeased with sacrifice (by cutting Crowder).
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 19, 2022, 07:43:43 AM
Overpaying a good player is an affront to the Cap Gods and must be appeased with sacrifice (by cutting Crowder).

I think Rankins is the new sacrifice.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 07:58:31 AM
It’s not a bad contract if the player is actually good.

He's not THAT good
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 08:26:46 AM
He's not THAT good

I wrote out a whole post about CJ Mosley and how I’m not worried about his contract and how since at least he produces on the field and the Jets don’t have many good players at this point in time to allocate that money to anyways….and then took another look at what’s remaining on his contract and deleted that post


Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 08:28:46 AM
2021: $7.5M
2022: $17.5M
2023: $18.5M
2024: $18.5M


(https://i.ibb.co/ftmdNnR/5648-EDBF-419-C-4-B39-8431-72934215-F233.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2XjpyL)
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2022, 08:32:13 AM


2021: $7.5M
2022: $17.5M
2023: $18.5M
2024: $18.5M

Negligible dead cap after 2022. If he's no good anymore by then or we have a worthy replacement then bai.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 08:33:12 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/ftmdNnR/5648-EDBF-419-C-4-B39-8431-72934215-F233.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2XjpyL)

An absolute slob
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2022, 08:34:53 AM
An absolute slob

I usually have 1 coffee per day (usually in the morning).  Any more and i get dizzy from the caffeine.  Maccagnan is a freaking mutant.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 08:41:15 AM
I usually have 1 coffee per day (usually in the morning).  Any more and i get dizzy from the caffeine.  Maccagnan is a freaking mutant.

It's just disgusting because you know half of those cups are several days old.  Throw that excrement away. 
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2022, 08:44:19 AM
It's just disgusting because you know half of those cups are several days old.  Throw that excrement away. 

lol

i used to work with a guy who never got rid of his dirty coffee cups in his cubicle.  It was gross.  We counted at least 80 cups....strewn under his desk and on his desk.  Someone reported him to HR.  He was eventually fired for sexual harassment.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 08:59:18 AM
It's a serial killer trait
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2022, 09:00:29 AM
It's a serial killer trait

He shared the same haircut as Kenny Powers
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 09:03:38 AM
He shared the same haircut as Kenny Powers

Also, a serial killer trait
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 19, 2022, 09:05:12 AM
It's just disgusting because you know half of those cups are several days old.  Throw that excrement away. 

You also know they're not all empty.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 11:12:13 AM
He was eventually fired for sexual harassment.

This dude def stuck his dick in a coffee cup
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: insanity on January 19, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
This dude def stuck his dick in a coffee cup
Seriously was he sexually harassing the employees or the cups?  We need to know.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: mj2sexay on January 19, 2022, 04:58:43 PM
2021: $7.5M
2022: $17.5M
2023: $18.5M
2024: $18.5M


(https://i.ibb.co/ftmdNnR/5648-EDBF-419-C-4-B39-8431-72934215-F233.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2XjpyL)

lol what a freaking mess.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on January 19, 2022, 09:51:13 PM
2021: $7.5M
2022: $17.5M
2023: $18.5M
2024: $18.5M


(https://i.ibb.co/ftmdNnR/5648-EDBF-419-C-4-B39-8431-72934215-F233.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2XjpyL)

And of course the only reason 2021 isn’t $17.5 million is because he opted out and he got his $10 million bonus last year to not play football.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2022, 11:30:54 AM
https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1597638227892244480?s=19
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2023, 11:55:25 AM
Quote
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
3m
The NFL informed teams today that the 2023 salary cap will be a record $224.8 million per club, sources tell me and @RapSheet
.

That’s up from $208.2 million in 2022, $182.5M in 2021 (COVID adjustment), 198.2M in 2020 and $188.2M in 2019.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2023, 11:59:16 AM
sheesh

Get the Quinnen deal done
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2023, 12:47:12 PM
Yet we're still over the cap.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2023, 12:59:02 PM
Probably also makes a Rodgers deal a little easier, as it helps GB eat the dead money without completely destroying their ability to sign anyone. Not that they bother much with FA anyway.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 30, 2023, 02:24:15 PM
This helps with a bunch of things. Still have a lot of work to do, though.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 04:51:08 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1630618220389343232?t=pG7js7Av5vwYp2gH09Vmqw&s=19


dcm can take the rest of the offseason off. See you  in Sept, spud.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 06:17:05 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1630618220389343232?t=pG7js7Av5vwYp2gH09Vmqw&s=19


dcm can take the rest of the offseason off. See you  in Sept, spud.
He said after the combine, which is like next week. No rest for DCM.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2023, 06:23:02 PM
I don't understand how negative cap space is a good place to be

Especially before giving out a monster QB contract, a Q extension, and signing all the draft picks.

I understand we can easily free up a chunk of cash

But I don't think you can call our cap situation anything than OK
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on February 28, 2023, 06:23:23 PM
He said after the combine, which is like next week. No rest for DCM.
You woke him....way to go.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2023, 06:50:59 PM
I don't understand how negative cap space is a good place to be

Especially before giving out a monster QB contract, a Q extension, and signing all the draft picks.

I understand we can easily free up a chunk of cash

But I don't think you can call our cap situation anything than OK
Douglas has made zero cap moves yet and we are basically flat with the cap.  He has tons of options to create space by cuts and restructures, without becoming the Saints.  I'm betting some of these contracts had restructure or extension possibilities planned when they were made. 

With some restructures to Mosley and Lawson's contracts, along with cutting Corey Davis, we will be able to sign the draft class, get Q a contract, and sign Carr or Rodgers.  Q will likely have a lower cap number this year on a new contract compared to future years.  Same with Rodgers/Carr/Jacoby Brissett.

The only move we know will happen right now is cutting Davis.  That gets us $10 million under the cap by itself, and that's before considering cutting Berrios, Jordan Whitehead, Duane Brown, freaking Braden Mann, and Ashtyn Davis.  We may cut all, some or none of them.  We may possibly bail on Lawson too since he has a low dead money number and hopefully a replacement in the waiting.  Hopefully not though.

I'm resigned to the fact that Mosley's contract means he will likely be here for a while, but I think he'll be solid for a few more years.  Will he be overpaid?  Yes, but he's worth overpaying.  He's smart, a leader, and still plays pretty well for his age.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2023, 06:54:37 AM
Douglas has made zero cap moves yet and we are basically flat with the cap.  He has tons of options to create space by cuts and restructures, without becoming the Saints.  I'm betting some of these contracts had restructure or extension possibilities planned when they were made. 

With some restructures to Mosley and Lawson's contracts, along with cutting Corey Davis, we will be able to sign the draft class, get Q a contract, and sign Carr or Rodgers.  Q will likely have a lower cap number this year on a new contract compared to future years.  Same with Rodgers/Carr/Jacoby Brissett.

The only move we know will happen right now is cutting Davis.  That gets us $10 million under the cap by itself, and that's before considering cutting Berrios, Jordan Whitehead, Duane Brown, freaking Braden Mann, and Ashtyn Davis.  We may cut all, some or none of them.  We may possibly bail on Lawson too since he has a low dead money number and hopefully a replacement in the waiting.  Hopefully not though.

I'm resigned to the fact that Mosley's contract means he will likely be here for a while, but I think he'll be solid for a few more years.  Will he be overpaid?  Yes, but he's worth overpaying.  He's smart, a leader, and still plays pretty well for his age.


Literally any team can restructure contracts to move cap burdens to future years

I don't see how this makes it ideal
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 01, 2023, 11:29:52 AM
No. You can of course but it comes to bite you in the derriere if you do it too often or too much. The Jets' don't have that problem now, thus giving them flexibility to work the cap better.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2023, 02:06:31 PM
Quote
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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57m
S Jordan Whitehead restructured his contract, creating $5.3M in cap savings, per OTC. Converted non-guaranteed base salary into signing bonus, dropping cap charge to $4.9M from $10.2M. Added 4 void years for cap purposes, meaning a $3.3M hit next yr when deal voids. #Jets

#moarcap
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Q extension incoming
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2023, 02:26:35 PM
Q extension incoming

i'll get the lube
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2023, 09:40:07 PM
Quote
Field Yates
@FieldYates
Players with restructured deals in recent days with their updated cap charges for 2023:

Jets CB Bryce Hall: $1.097M (down from $2.82M)

Doug wringing out every last drop of cap space.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 31, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
Like, y, tho?
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2023, 10:28:46 PM
Like, y, tho?

"Do you like your job? Do you want to keep it, or do you want to be on the street looking for a new one? Because you're not worth nearly $3M a year, but I'm a nice guy so I'll let you kick $2M into next year and you can have it if you can prove you're worth me keeping you around."
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2023, 01:06:55 AM
"Do you like your job? Do you want to keep it, or do you want to be on the street looking for a new one? Because you're not worth nearly $3M a year, but I'm a nice guy so I'll let you kick $2M into next year and you can have it if you can prove you're worth me keeping you around."

But y tho? We already had plenty of cap space.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on September 01, 2023, 04:32:23 AM
But y tho? We already had plenty of cap space.

Two reasons, we had another CB we liked almost as much as Hall, and gave him a choice of matching that salary or go find a new job.

Money rolls over to next year. It seems we are expected to be “tight” on space next year as we have key guys to bring back/restructure and are certainly going to want to have new additions. But we shall see what we end up doing with the cash this year. But I really freaking hope it’s Mike Evans.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: insanity on September 01, 2023, 09:26:36 AM
Two reasons, we had another CB we liked almost as much as Hall, and gave him a choice of matching that salary or go find a new job.

Money rolls over to next year. It seems we are expected to be “tight” on space next year as we have key guys to bring back/restructure and are certainly going to want to have new additions. But we shall see what we end up doing with the cash this year. But I really freaking hope it’s Mike Evans.
I dont think enough people realize this.  If you don't spend the cap it moves to the following year.  Seeing as guys like huff need to be paid and our only tackles on the roster in 24 are Warren and Mitchel we need every dollar we can ger
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2024, 10:37:18 AM
https://x.com/Jason_OTC/status/1749464920649867620?s=20

Explanation of why cap isn't fake long-term.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on January 22, 2024, 10:45:33 AM
https://x.com/Jason_OTC/status/1749464920649867620?s=20

Explanation of why cap isn't fake long-term.

this is cap
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2024, 10:18:32 AM
Jason at OTC wrote an article about void years and some teams that could save some cap space by extending players with several void years in their contracts.  Not much, but might be an option if they decide to bring back Whitehead.  He's still 26 years old, although it feels like he should be 32 in my head.  I think Jefferson has a decent chance to come back here too, but I'm not sure it would be an extension.

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The third team surprised me and that team is the Jets. The Jets have four voiding contracts with up to $11.15 million in savings but other than Jordan Whitehead ($2.5 million saved) I don’t think there would be a big push to return the others. The other names are Carl Lawson, Duane Brown, and Quinton Jefferson.

https://overthecap.com/creating-cap-space-by-extending-players-with-void-years
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 27, 2024, 09:51:05 AM
Along with the Tomlinson cut, if we make the moves we are expected to (cut Uzomah, trade Zach), we will have over $31 mil in cap space.  Where we can really win is if we can trade JFM.  We'd be up to $38 mil of cap space, wouldn't really need to replace him because we could shift the linemen around and let McDonald play more.  Plus we might get a mid to late-round draft pick for him.  I don't think we'd get a high pick because he would have a fairly high salary for his new team to take on. 

This isn't even considering the contract renegotiations, extensions and new deals that could open up a lot more space.  Cap won't be a problem for the Jets, it's a matter of how aggressive they want to be at the expense of the future.  Douglas has to decide how much he's willing to risk his future job security for current job security.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on February 27, 2024, 10:28:56 AM
Where we can really win is if we can trade JFM.

We can only do that if we re-sign Huff.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 27, 2024, 10:43:33 AM
We can only do that if we re-sign Huff.

Good point, I guess McDonald would have to take on Huff and JFM's snaps at DE, which isn't reasonable.  But at least we'd have a chunk of change to overpay Huff if we trade JFM.  But we'd need to nail down Huff first because we need JFM is we lose Huff.

Honestly, I don't know if there's a price we could pay that would have Huff willing to come back here.  I don't think he hates the team or anything, I think he wants to leave to a different system where he'd get more snaps.  Even if we traded JFM, I don't know that Saleh would give the playing time he wants.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 27, 2024, 03:55:58 PM
We can only do that if we re-sign Huff.

But we're going to have to trade JFM to re-sign Huff...but we can't re-sign Huff unless we trade JFM...and we have to re-sign Huff to trade JFM...but we probably can't afford to re-sign Hu...
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on February 27, 2024, 04:53:12 PM
But we're going to have to trade JFM to re-sign Huff...but we can't re-sign Huff unless we trade JFM...and we have to re-sign Huff to trade JFM...but we probably can't afford to re-sign Hu...

It's not the money, it's the playing time.  Huff isn't going to want to come back here and get part time snaps.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 27, 2024, 05:49:30 PM
It's not the money, it's the playing time.  Huff isn't going to want to come back here and get part time snaps.

No.

If we kept both, JFM would lose edge snaps to play inside and Clemmons would just lose snaps. The starters would be Huff and Johnson.

We also haven't heard Huff complain about the rotation once and he just put up double digit sacks in it.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 27, 2024, 05:50:17 PM
freak Tapatalk.

Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on February 28, 2024, 08:24:11 AM
No.

If we kept both, JFM would lose edge snaps to play inside and Clemmons would just lose snaps. The starters would be Huff and Johnson.

We also haven't heard Huff complain about the rotation once and he just put up double digit sacks in it.


This. Dude is thriving the way we do things. I fully suspect he goes wherever the money is best, not where he gets to play the most.

Now one could easily argue he is worth the most money to the team that plans to play him the most, which is why he would go there. But if our offer is the same as say Houston and he’s gonna play 75% of snaps there vs 55% here, I think he’s staying put.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2024, 08:32:51 AM
https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1768258736840208553?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg

Turns out we couldn’t have afforded any of the high priced FAs
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 08:38:42 AM
https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1768258736840208553?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg

Turns out we couldn’t have afforded any of the high priced FAs

ThE CaP iSn'T rEaL!1!
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2024, 08:56:06 AM
I do wonder why we didn't restructure some of these deals earlier.  Maybe they didn't know how much they were needing since we didn't know what players we'd have a shot at.  excrement, I don't know, I ain't no GM.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2024, 09:50:50 AM
ThE CaP iSn'T rEaL!1!

We did almost none of the things we could have done to free up cap space. Money was there if we wanted it. How much “pushing to the future” we wanted to do is debatable. But we had options to get us more cash and we didn’t take those avenues before FA started
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2024, 09:58:27 AM
I know Douglas doesn't have the good fortune of worrying about next year, but we are going to have to potentially pay Sauce, Breece, JJ, and Garrett Wilson, starting as soon as next year.  It's the only downside to hitting on all those guys at once.  At the same time, we are in win-now mode with Rodgers and this defense.  Those 2 things don't mesh well, but a good GM can't ignore either of those mandates.  I highly doubt we'll find a way to re-sign all 4 of those guys.  Hopefully we can keep GW and Sauce at least.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2024, 10:26:07 AM
I know Douglas doesn't have the good fortune of worrying about next year, but we are going to have to potentially pay Sauce, Breece, JJ, and Garrett Wilson, starting as soon as next year.  It's the only downside to hitting on all those guys at once.  At the same time, we are in win-now mode with Rodgers and this defense.  Those 2 things don't mesh well, but a good GM can't ignore either of those mandates.  I highly doubt we'll find a way to re-sign all 4 of those guys.  Hopefully we can keep GW and Sauce at least.

It has to be spaced out and well planned financially.

Next year Breece gets extended as his deal is shorter and I would target Sauce as well and say he’s a (at least) 2 time all pro. Then the year after Garrett and JJ get extended before their fifth year option kicks in.

Essentially that’s why I expected a ton of essentially 2 year deals this year on big time vets so the money starts coming off the books. And there is a new TV deal coming to expand the cap even further in the next couple years.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2024, 10:39:55 AM
I know Douglas doesn't have the good fortune of worrying about next year, but we are going to have to potentially pay Sauce, Breece, JJ, and Garrett Wilson, starting as soon as next year.  It's the only downside to hitting on all those guys at once.  At the same time, we are in win-now mode with Rodgers and this defense.  Those 2 things don't mesh well, but a good GM can't ignore either of those mandates.  I highly doubt we'll find a way to re-sign all 4 of those guys.  Hopefully we can keep GW and Sauce at least.

A new GM/HC will want their guys while determining who to keep in our core.  I think everything will be on the table if we start over.  The key being if you're going to move on from previously untouchable players, you better get good compensation in return.

Make no mistake, it will be a scorched earth approach if Douglas/Saleh get fired next year.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 10:40:32 AM
We did almost none of the things we could have done to free up cap space. Money was there if we wanted it. How much “pushing to the future” we wanted to do is debatable. But we had options to get us more cash and we didn’t take those avenues before FA started

Do you think that might have been because a lot of them were bad ideas?
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2024, 12:36:10 PM
Do you think that might have been because a lot of them were bad ideas?

Extending CJ and DJ and restructuring Q are not bad ideas. Every single way to save a penny? Some definitely would age terribly for us for sure
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 01:21:57 PM
Extending CJ and DJ and restructuring Q are not bad ideas. Every single way to save a penny? Some definitely would age terribly for us for sure

Unless you're going to elaborate on what you mean by restructuring the contract that Quinnen Williams signed last season, I'm forced to assume that you're using the word as a magic button.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on March 14, 2024, 02:29:23 PM
Unless you're going to elaborate on what you mean by restructuring the contract that Quinnen Williams signed last season, I'm forced to assume that you're using the word as a magic button.

Convert part of his base salary this year to a signing or roster bonus, thus allowing us to spread his current 2024 cap hit out over several years. At this point he is the best guy to do that with as we plan to be committed to him as a her for several more years anyways.

Doing the same thing with JFM is a possibility as well. BUT is he a guy we want to be tied to in 2026? I don’t think that’s true right now, and it certainly wouldn’t be if we end up with a new regime in 2025. Hes the perfect example of a guy you wouldn’t want to restructure and be tied to long term.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2024, 03:15:39 PM
We did almost none of the things we could have done to free up cap space. Money was there if we wanted it. How much “pushing to the future” we wanted to do is debatable. But we had options to get us more cash and we didn’t take those avenues before FA started
Aside from Robert Hunt this FA class sucked imo

Nobody worth overpaying or going all in on unless it was Higgins lol

Which we didn't have capital for plus a major extension
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2024, 03:16:13 PM
I'd extend DJ Reed and Michael Carter before I overpaid for most of this FA class
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MexJetinBcn on March 14, 2024, 03:29:20 PM
A new GM/HC will want their guys while determining who to keep in our core.  I think everything will be on the table if we start over.  The key being if you're going to move on from previously untouchable players, you better get good compensation in return.

Make no mistake, it will be a scorched earth approach if Douglas/Saleh get fired next year.

If we hire a new GM and he wants to get rid of Wilson, Sauce or JJ, he's going to be really excrement and we'll be in hell for even more years. Breece, as good as he is, could make sense.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 14, 2024, 05:12:19 PM
I'd extend DJ Reed and Michael Carter before I overpaid for most of this FA class

I wasn't enamored with the T options in this FA class but I would have been much happier with the guards we couldn't afford (especially Onwenu, Hunt, or Runyan) over whatever deal we gave the Ravens' cast-off penalty machine, or having the financial option to be competitive for another WR which we really freaking need.

Reed might be a good option for that but that's assuming he wants to do the team a favor with a friendlier contract. He's only 27 and he can easily get another big deal after this season. Just because it would be great for the team doesn't mean it would be good for him, especially with him heading into free agency when the Jets are possibly resetting with a whole new front office and coaching staff. Does he really want to be locked into that?

Carter is in the last year of his rookie deal, I'm not sure how likely he would be to agree to a deal actually lowers his cap number this year when he's on the cusp of his first free agency after playing for a team that has been a excrement show.

Mosely is really the only one on the roster who was poised to do the team any favors. He's likely in the last year of his prime, there's actually incentive there for him to extend for more guaranteed money from us vs. any of the other names mentioned here.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2024, 05:25:49 PM
Quinnen can be restructured and push cap down the road.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: MBGreen on March 14, 2024, 05:38:18 PM
Quinnen can be restructured and push cap down the road.
More Cap space??


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Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2024, 12:10:07 AM
• Tyron Smith: $6.5M guaranteed
• John Simpson: $6M AAV
• Morgan Moses: $5.5M cap hit
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2024, 03:43:00 PM
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Compensation updates:

CB Isaiah Oliver: 1 year/$2.5M ($2.2M gtd)

S Chuck Clark: 1 year/$2M ($705K gtd)

TE Kenny Yeboah: 1 year/$1.4M ($225K gtd)

G Jake Hanson: 1 year/$1.1M ($45K gtd)
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2024, 04:07:35 PM
$45K guaranteed is hilarious
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on March 16, 2024, 04:28:27 PM
We are paying Isiah Oliver more money than Chuck Clark? Wow that surprises the hell out of me.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2024, 07:39:52 PM
• Tyron Smith: $6.5M guaranteed
• John Simpson: $6M AAV
• Morgan Moses: $5.5M cap hit
Why are we comparing three different contract measures?
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Libero_2 on March 16, 2024, 09:02:04 PM
Why are we comparing three different contract measures?

Probably because those are the metrics they know. We don’t know what we expect to pay Smith and we don’t yet know what Simpsons year 1 cap hit is.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2024, 10:06:03 PM
https://x.com/spotrac/status/1769179952371450331?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2024, 10:06:40 PM
Why are we comparing three different contract measures?

I thought it was self explanatory
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2024, 07:55:36 AM
https://x.com/spotrac/status/1769179952371450331?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
That's a bit old.  We have around 20 mil.
Title: Re: dcm's Office of Jets Capology
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2024, 06:25:03 PM
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets

OTC has us at $9.19M in cap space.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/_/year/2024

Spotrac says $10M