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Title: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2020, 10:41:00 AM
Per Manish

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-logan-ryan-20200512-wegwjtinnbfyxh245nvmbjjbzm-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on May 12, 2020, 10:45:57 AM
I’d rather have Warford. But we were talking about this move pre-draft.

Ryan will certainly help on the backend. But if this was our plan, I no longer see the point of the Quincy Wilson trade. But what do I know.
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 10:46:49 AM
That curry eating lover of the older lady better be right.
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
I’d rather have Warford. But we were talking about this move pre-draft.

Ryan will certainly help on the backend. But if this was our plan, I no longer see the point of the Quincy Wilson trade. But what do I know.

We didn't have Ryan at the time, and still don't. And Wilson is likely better than any player we would have drafted at the end of the 6th (apparently the Colts took a corner/return specialist from UMass called Isaiah Rodgers, so watch him become an All Pro now).

I'm more concerned about the narrative that the team is placing spending limits on Douglas. I understand cap management, but the way Manish writes it sounds more like cash limitations. How the freak do you cry poor when you own one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL?
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on May 12, 2020, 11:17:22 AM
We didn't have Ryan at the time, and still don't. And Wilson is likely better than any player we would have drafted at the end of the 6th (apparently the Colts took a corner/return specialist from UMass called Isaiah Rodgers, so watch him become an All Pro now).

I'm more concerned about the narrative that the team is placing spending limits on Douglas. I understand cap management, but the way Manish writes it sounds more like cash limitations. How the freak do you cry poor when you own one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL?

I have serious doubts about claims by Manish. I didn’t even read his article because freak that guy
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2020, 11:37:57 AM
Do it Tanny
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on May 12, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
Do it
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 12, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
A proven winner that has always been highly productive

Really surprised that Tennessee let him walk but they do have some cap issues
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on May 12, 2020, 12:08:05 PM
A proven winner that has always been highly productive

Really surprised that Tennessee let him walk but they do have some cap issues
He’s been a sack machine for the last 2 seasons...compared to other CBs
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 12, 2020, 12:10:01 PM
He’s been a sack machine for the last 2 seasons...compared to other CBs

Ryan is a fantastic run defender.  Hopefully he actually signs. 

Our defense (especially the secondary) will at the very least be very fun in 2020.  We have a lot of different pieces for Gregg Williams to move around.
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 12, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
This is another Eric Mangini-esque move from Joe Douglas

Ashtyn Davis being the next Eric Smith reverses the curse
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 12, 2020, 12:25:23 PM
Do it up.

#EverybodyLovesGreggggg
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 12:27:53 PM
Garofalo says that Manish has jumped the gun and that the Jets have yet to submit a formal offer to Ryan, and that Miami are also in the mix.
Title: Re: Jets to sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 12, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
Garofalo says that Manish has jumped the gun and that the Jets have yet to submit a formal offer to Ryan, and that Miami are also in the mix.

That would actually be hilarious

Manish would immediately blame Adam Gase for his misfire
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on May 14, 2020, 08:37:12 AM
CB Logan Ryan, appearing just now on @gmfb, wouldn’t tip his hand on where he might sign. Asked about the #Jets, he said they “make sense” because of location. (Grew up in NJ, attended Rutgers.) But added he’s still “open for business.”
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2020, 08:40:26 AM
CB Logan Ryan, appearing just now on @gmfb, wouldn’t tip his hand on where he might sign. Asked about the #Jets, he said they “make sense” because of location. (Grew up in NJ, attended Rutgers.) But added he’s still “open for business.”
So probably we've made an offer and he wants someone to beat it.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Koz on May 14, 2020, 10:15:57 AM
We may be Winfielded in the end.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 14, 2020, 10:16:59 AM
That show is insanely boring.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 14, 2020, 10:25:49 AM
We may be Winfielded in the end.

1.  Logan Ryan is not as good as Antoine Winfield

2.  Manish Mehta is the ONLY source saying the Jets "believe" they could sign him
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on May 14, 2020, 10:27:00 AM
We may be Winfielded in the end.

JD has shown us that he adheres to a set price for FAs. 

I don't blame Logan Ryan for wanting to drive up his value....but i appreciate that JD sticks to his financial guns as well. 
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2020, 10:33:12 AM
Ryan would be an upgrade on what we have, but our secondary is already loads better than it was last year and if Hall can be the talent that we think he is then him, Desir and Poole is not a bad starting group.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 14, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
Ryan would be an upgrade on what we have, but our secondary is already loads better than it was last year and if Hall can be the talent that we think he is then him, Desir and Poole is not a bad starting group.

Logan just gives us more flexibility inside the numbers
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2020, 11:12:34 AM


Ryan would be an upgrade on what we have, but our secondary is already loads better than it was last year and if Hall can be the talent that we think he is then him, Desir and Poole is not a bad starting group.

We need depth and we should not be confident about Poole or Hall playing at starter level quality.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2020, 11:15:08 AM

We need depth and we should not be confident about Poole or Hall playing at starter level quality.

We have depth, it's just not necessarily that good. I'm not opposed to signing Ryan at all and think it would be a big upgrade, I was just saying that I have more confidence in our corners this year than I did last year.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 14, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Logan also gave up the most yards and TDs in the slot as well last year. I’m OK if JD chooses to stick to his price.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 14, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
We need depth and we should not be confident about Poole or Hall playing at starter level quality.

Poole was awesome inside last year
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on May 14, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
He probably doesn't want to come here unless he has no other close offer from a team that's closer to the playoffs.  Doug probably gave him an offer and he's just checking if anything else comes along. I'm completely guessing and I'm probably full of excrement.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2020, 02:50:29 PM
Poole was awesome inside last year
I hope that continues but he doesn't have enough of a track record for us to assume it will.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on May 15, 2020, 08:17:02 AM
Twitters:  Is it possible that this DeAndre Baker mess has just turned  #Giants into competition with #Jets for the services of CB @RealLoganRyan ?
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on May 15, 2020, 09:25:21 AM
Sure it’s possible. But do they have any money left?

As much as I’d like Ryan, I would pay Warford first
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 15, 2020, 09:28:21 AM
Sure it’s possible. But do they have any money left?

As much as I’d like Ryan, I would pay Warford first

We have plenty of cash left and we're freeing up even more on June 1. 

If we wanted to sign Warford (or rather, if Warford wanted to sign with the Jets), we could just release Brian Winters and use that money. 

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We are not very good at corner, but we have a lot of strong pieces.  I think what people seem to be overlooking with a potential Logan Ryan signing is the fact that we're likely going to play a ton of zone again, and Ryan thrives in that kind of environment. 

PFF wants to use completions against him, but if he's primarily playing zone in the nickel, he's going to give up completions...it's his job to limit the after catch production, which he does very well.  Very few of his catches allowed went for first downs. 

Bless Austin is also a very willing tackler in Cover 2.  Bryce Hall is a better fit in a zone scheme.  We drafted a single high, deep safety.  Heavy zone play calling. 
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on May 15, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
We have plenty of cash left and we're freeing up even more on June 1. 

If we wanted to sign Warford (or rather, if Warford wanted to sign with the Jets), we could just release Brian Winters and use that money. 

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We are not very good at corner, but we have a lot of strong pieces.  I think what people seem to be overlooking with a potential Logan Ryan signing is the fact that we're likely going to play a ton of zone again, and Ryan thrives in that kind of environment. 

PFF wants to use completions against him, but if he's primarily playing zone in the nickel, he's going to give up completions...it's his job to limit the after catch production, which he does very well.  Very few of his catches allowed went for first downs. 

Bless Austin is also a very willing tackler in Cover 2.  Bryce Hall is a better fit in a zone scheme.  We drafted a single high, deep safety.  Heavy zone play calling. 
Ryan unquestionably makes us better. I actually think we have the money to sign Ryan and Warford, once we cut Winters. I was referring to the Giants financially being a competitor for Logan Ryan.

Our CB room has tons of potentially quality pieces, but nearly no proven commodities in it. We are a better team with Ryan than without, that goes without question. I just think if it was an 'either/or' situation, we are better with Warford than Ryan.

Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
Cut Desir for #capspace so we have enough money to sign Ryan
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on May 15, 2020, 11:55:41 AM
Cut Desir for #capspace so we have enough money to sign Ryan
What if we cut the capspace itself?  Does that free up cap space or use it?
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 01:32:26 PM
What if we cut the capspace itself?  Does that free up cap space or use it?
What if Joe Douglas divided the cap space by zero
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
What if Joe Douglas divided the cap space by zero

he may have to go steal some watches
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 15, 2020, 05:10:09 PM
I'm only going to say this one time, but what if the cap space is on this ferris wheel?
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 01:32:47 PM
I wonder if this is gonna happen or not
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 01:47:54 PM
I think we'll see a bunch of signings throughout the league next week when all the June 1 cap money hits
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 03:07:37 PM
We're supposedly still interested in this guy.  Makes a lot more sense now that Adams is gone. 
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
Do it Tanny
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 03:39:14 PM
Seeing as how JD doesn’t seem to budge on price, I don’t think our offer to Ryan’s camp has changed any. Ball seems to be in his court, he can either take our offer or wait for a camp injury
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
Quote
Free agent DB Logan Ryan, one of the top players available, has hired powerful agent Joel Segal as his new representation and is poised to do a deal, sources say. Ryan’s previous agents waived the five-day waiting period, and Ryan’s move is official.

Ravens prolly.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 09:59:49 AM
All kidding aside, he still makes a lot of sense with the Jets as a multifunctional chess piece in the secondary.  Gegggg doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that likes to set up shop in one scheme and run it all day.  Logan Ryan could be a safety or CB.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on August 30, 2020, 10:15:26 AM
If we weren't willing to bring him in at "his price" before, I doubt he fired his agents to allow him to sign a deal that we offered however long ago
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 10:27:29 AM
If we weren't willing to bring him in at "his price" before, I doubt he fired his agents to allow him to sign a deal that we offered however long ago
Probably.  From his end, at some point it will be hard for you to come in and play so close to season unless the scheme is very similar to what you know.  Be funny if he went back to NE.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2020, 03:07:38 PM
He's a Giant now.  freak him.
Title: Re: Jets might sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 31, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
Thanks Manish
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 31, 2020, 03:19:00 PM
This is why the default to Manish's reports is assuming they are bullshit.
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
I really think that information was put out there to find the leak in the front office
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 31, 2020, 03:24:15 PM
I really think that information was put out there to find the leak in the front office

Would that make Joe Douglass Frank Costello, Capt. Queenan, or Sgt. Dignam?
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Libero_2 on August 31, 2020, 03:26:34 PM
I really think that information was put out there to find the leak in the front office

Certainly possible.

I don't remember us removing anyone after the story came out though.

Another opportunity would be the lombardi story that the Jets are the team in on Yannick...
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2020, 03:30:41 PM
Certainly possible.

I don't remember us removing anyone after the story came out though.

Another opportunity would be the lombardi story that the Jets are the team in on Yannick...

That was supposedly coming from the Jags end though.
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 31, 2020, 03:59:28 PM
Disappointing. He could have helped our secondary.

Wonder if we even made a legitimate run at him...or maybe the rumors of our excrement freak owners implementing a spending freeze is a thing
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2020, 04:16:33 PM
Disappointing. He could have helped our secondary.

Wonder if we even made a legitimate run at him...or maybe the rumors of our excrement freak owners implementing a spending freeze is a thing

He would've helped but he also is better at nickel where we already have a really good player in Brian Poole

The Jets need to go get Prince Amukamara.  We need help on the outside and I don't trust Austin or Desir to stay healthy. 
Title: Re: Jets did not sign CB Logan Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on August 31, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
He would've helped but he also is better at nickel where we already have a really good player in Brian Poole

The Jets need to go get Prince Amukamara.  We need help on the outside and I don't trust Austin or Desir to stay healthy.
You mean that dehydrated raisin Brian Poole?