Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2020, 08:14:41 PM
We did it, reddit
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
Post by: steves850 on April 24, 2020, 08:15:23 PM
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Post by: Badger on April 24, 2020, 08:16:04 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 24, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/denzel-mims
Mims compares a lot to Stephen Hill physically. But Mims actually produced in college.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 08:23:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 08:25:08 PM
I almost posted this earlier.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/denzel-mims
Mims compares a lot to Stephen Hill physically. But Mims actually produced in college.
He's very similar to Stephen Hill.
He dropped a lot of passes at Baylor and can't do much as a route runner (yet).
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2020, 08:26:00 PM
I almost posted this earlier.I thought Claypool was a closer comp to Hill but I didn't want to say it in case we picked him
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/denzel-mims
Mims compares a lot to Stephen Hill physically. But Mims actually produced in college.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 08:26:32 PM
I almost posted this earlier.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/denzel-mims
Mims compares a lot to Stephen Hill physically. But Mims actually produced in college.
Using production in Mims' favor over Hill makes no sense. Hill played in a triple option offense that rarely threw the football.
Both players weren't asked to do anything very complex as route runners.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 08:26:55 PM
Denzel Mims can be very good too.
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2020, 08:29:05 PM
Mims compares a lot to Stephen Hill physically.
I don't love the pick, precisely because his floor is Stephen Hill 2.0.
But freak it, let's gamble.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
Mims checks off both of those boxes and he was certainly one of the best players available.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 24, 2020, 08:32:31 PM
I don't love the pick, precisely because his floor is Stephen Hill 2.0.
But freak it, let's gamble.
We have taken 2 guys with top tier size and elite athleticism. That means very high ceilings. JD is swinging for the fences.
That said Becton I still feel is a pretty safe pick. Mims potential is exciting, so hopefully he reaches it
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 08:33:07 PM
I don't love the pick, precisely because his floor is Stephen Hill 2.0.Sometimes you have to take that pickle, throw caution to the wind and toss it in the deep fryer.
But freak it, let's gamble.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2020, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2020, 08:38:03 PM
Sometimes you have to take that pickle, throw caution to the wind and toss it in the deep fryer.
hahaha
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 24, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2020, 11:26:38 PM
Stephen Hill could have been very good. He just wasn't.
Denzel Mims can be very good too.
Well this is super encouraging
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2020, 11:26:59 PM
Fire Rex, doesn't even know what sport this is
Post by: Laxin on April 25, 2020, 12:10:57 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2020, 12:15:33 AM
Mims’ body control and ball skills are significantly better than Hill’s. Those are two of the main reasons why I think he failed miserably.And while Heismanberg's point was a good one that Georgia Tech's offense wasn't built for WR production, the fact that Mims actually produced in college is a positive for me.
Watching some Mims YouTube breakdowns now. Brett Kollmann called him an under-the-radar potential superstar. Matt Waldman had him as his #2 receiver prospect overall.
I'll take shots on guys with Mims' size, speed, athleticism, catch radius and production in the 2nd round all the time.
If Mims can make an instant impact, he and Perriman will be one of the faster outside WR duos in the NFL.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2020, 12:22:09 AM
This was exceptional value and the trade back ended up netting us three other picks as well.
Mims needs to get better with releases. If he is pressed, I think he'll struggle early.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 25, 2020, 02:59:20 AM
#KeepRex
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2020, 03:15:07 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 25, 2020, 03:20:37 AM
Joe D says he sees Mims as a guy that can step in and contribute starting from day 1, he does not feel that there are concerns with his route tree, and that coaches were impressed with his ability to learn after speaking to him
If the line does their job and a healthy Darnold is throwing to him there's no reason he can't contribute from day one. WR isn't that hard to learn, especially if you're 6-2 and run a 4.38.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2020, 03:34:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r_9ZBwmjMc
Post by: Miamipuck on April 25, 2020, 06:07:39 AM
If the line does their job and a healthy Darnold is throwing to him there's no reason he can't contribute from day one. WR isn't that hard to learn, especially if you're 6-2 and run a 4.38.
Traditionally it is a difficult position to learn. First year WR's typically have trouble.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2020, 06:26:28 AM
Joe D says he sees Mims as a guy that can step in and contribute starting from day 1, he does not feel that there are concerns with his route tree, and that coaches were impressed with his ability to learn after speaking to him
I mean to be fair our starting outside WR before Mims were Breshaud Perriman and Vyncent Smith. So literally anybody we drafted will be able to come in and compete for a starting gig.
But freak it I am irrationally excited by Mims
Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2020, 07:45:11 AM
Wayne Chrebet thinks Mims is a steal at 59
Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2020, 07:47:51 AM
Call to Mims
“I’m looking for a playmaker, did I find one on the line?” ~Douglas
“Everyone else is gonna pay for it man” ~Mims
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2020, 07:59:38 AM
I'll take shots on guys with Mims' size, speed, athleticism, catch radius and production in the 2nd round all the time.
The added picks also ease the pain if he doesnt work out. We drafted this guy closer to the third than the first.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 25, 2020, 08:00:16 AM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1254025868122435584?s=21
Call to Mims
“I’m looking for a playmaker, did I find one on the line?” ~Douglas
“Everyone else is gonna pay for it man” ~Mims
Fingers crossed Mims pans out to have a longer career than Stephen Hill and Devin Smith.
I also like the fact that they told Gase to stay off video
Post by: Laxin on April 25, 2020, 09:07:02 AM
denzel mims 1-on-1 reps at the senior bowl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r_9ZBwmjMc
He can get physical
Great at the point of catch too
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2020, 09:26:49 AM
He can get physicalGotta admit I didnt expect him to be that physical.
Great at the point of catch too
I'm hoping darnold can help him like he helped terrelle pryor
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
Robby Anderson was an awful hitch and curl runner, which limited his production.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 09:31:16 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2020, 09:35:08 AM
Who was the last Baylor receiver to not be an NFL bust for one reason or another?
Terrance Williams
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
Terrance Williams
Not sure that a third round pick ending up in the XFL after his rookie contract expires is a shining success story.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 25, 2020, 09:45:21 AM
Just also an off field doorknob
Mims doesn’t appear to have any off field issues.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 09:47:31 AM
Josh Gordon was a damn good WR
Just also an off field doorknob
Mims doesn’t appear to have any off field issues.
Let me try the question again, because I know you're not trying to make the claim that Josh Gordon was anything other than a spectacular bust:
Who was the last Baylor receiver to not be an NFL bust for one reason or another?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 25, 2020, 10:20:45 AM
Post by: Laxin on April 25, 2020, 10:22:27 AM
Let me try the question again, because I know you're not trying to make the claim that Josh Gordon was anything other than a spectacular bust:
Who was the last Baylor receiver to not be an NFL bust for one reason or another?
This reminds me of the “name me a USC quarterback who wasn’t a bust” argument
Throwing in the qualifier of “for one reason or another” is convenient when Josh Gordon let drugs stop him from being a perennial pro bowler, not Baylor.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 10:27:06 AM
This reminds me of the “name me a USC quarterback who wasn’t a bust” argument
Throwing in the qualifier of “for one reason or another” is convenient when Josh Gordon let drugs stop him from being a perennial pro bowler, not Baylor.
Alternatively, it could be indicative of a system that knows how to find and recruit talented players, but isn't very good at setting them up for long term success as professional athletes. Kendall Wright and Corey Coleman were both great athletes with spectacular college careers, and both failed to achieve anything in the NFL. Gordon isn't the only talented Baylor receiver in the last while to flame out in the NFL, which is why I asked the question.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2020, 10:47:33 AM
This reminds me of the “name me a USC quarterback who wasn’t a bust” argument
Throwing in the qualifier of “for one reason or another” is convenient when Josh Gordon let drugs stop him from being a perennial pro bowler, not Baylor.
To be fair the drugs didn't stop him, the nfl rules did
Which have since changed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Who was the last Baylor receiver to not be an NFL bust for one reason or another?
Jalen Hurd
Post by: bojanglesman on April 25, 2020, 10:53:59 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 10:56:33 AM
To be fair the drugs didn't stop him, the nfl rules did
Which have since changed
Contrary to what many seem to believe, Gordon's issues go well beyond weed. He isn't playing in the NFL again and the new CBA won't change that.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 10:58:21 AM
Jalen Hurd
Has yet to set foot on an NFL field. Not a bust yet, but neither was Devin Smith after one season.
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2020, 11:24:55 AM
Alternatively, it could be indicative of a system that knows how to find and recruit talented players, but isn't very good at setting them up for long term success as professional athletes. Kendall Wright and Corey Coleman were both great athletes with spectacular college careers, and both failed to achieve anything in the NFL. Gordon isn't the only talented Baylor receiver in the last while to flame out in the NFL, which is why I asked the question.Does the Baylor bust rate deviate significantly from the norm? Are they producing more highly rated wr prospects than other schools? Lots to consider here.
I don't like the "X school produces bad ____" argument for all the obvious reasons but also because it kind of suggests there is a school you can take players from that won't bust at a particular position.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2020, 11:26:16 AM
Mims is a true X. Wright and Coleman are slot receivers that can occasionally play Z.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2020, 11:36:37 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
Also, if you're going to make the case all Baylor WR are busts, pretending Gordon's issues have anything to do with Baylor is completely disingenuous
Art Briles turned him into an alcoholic
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 11:49:17 AM
Also, if you're going to make the case all Baylor WR are busts, pretending Gordon's issues have anything to do with Baylor is completely disingenuous
I'm not actually making any case, I just see a pattern of talented college wideouts who don't realise their potential in the NFL.
Does the Baylor bust rate deviate significantly from the norm? Are they producing more highly rated wr prospects than other schools? Lots to consider here.
I don't like the "X school produces bad ____" argument for all the obvious reasons but also because it kind of suggests there is a school you can take players from that won't bust at a particular position.
I don't know the answer to either of those questions, but I don't think there's anything wrong with ascribing certain characteristics to certain schools based upon historic performance.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2020, 08:31:39 AM
1. His ability to separate
2. His route running, or lack thereof
The two go hand-in-hand
Shawn Jefferson has some work to do.
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I really hope we consider bringing Demaryius Thomas back as a veteran mentor to Mims and Smith.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2020, 08:53:13 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
Not sure why Cimini is saying Mims needs to play immediately and that he's the key to the Jets draft. Quite a bit overblown. It's fine if he sits for a while. It's not like the Jets have zero WR.
Because the beat writers don’t know anything about these prospects, they just run with whatever they hear.
They heard it was a deep WR class and are doing whatever they can to poke holes in Douglas.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2020, 09:23:23 AM
Post by: insanity on April 26, 2020, 10:26:09 AM
It's not like the Jets have zero WR.True. Between crowder, quincy, and perriman we have 1.75 wr
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2020, 10:27:31 AM
Quote
Selection: Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor
The pick: Second round, 59th overall (from Seahawks)
Past selections at No. 59: WR Parris Campbell (Colts), RB Derrius Guice (Redskins), DE Tanoh Kpassagnon (Chiefs), K Roberto Aguayo (Bucs), OT Ty Sambrailo (Broncos)
What it means: The Jets desperately needed to add receivers. They took arguably the best available in Mims. The 22-year-old caught 66 passes for 1,020 yards and 12 touchdowns last year, earning first-team all-Big 12 honors while leading Baylor in both receiving yards and receptions. He’s big, physical, and faster than some thought (4.38 40-yard dash). He should slide in as a Day 1 starter for the Jets with Breshad Perriman and Jamison Crowder.
Douglas says: Usually when you (call) and tell these guys (they’re getting drafted), they’re excited. There’s a lot of celebration. Denzel tonight had a chip on his shoulder. It was important to him to make these teams pay that passed him up. We can’t wait to get that type of competitor, that type of mentality in the building.
Dane says: A three-year starter at Baylor, Mims was an outside receiver in offensive coordinator Glenn Thomas’ shotgun spread attack, leading the team in receiving two of the last three seasons. He became the only player in college football to score at least eight receiving touchdowns in each of the last three years. Mims boasts the athletic skill to win at every level of the field, but on tape he was at his best on straight-line or one-cut routes (slants, posts, go’s, etc.), although he showed much improved pattern movement at the Senior Bowl. He demonstrates the ability to make impressive extension grabs, but his ball skills are inconsistent, especially with a defensive back closing on the catch point. Overall, Mims must become a more consistent route technician, but he offers the length and contested catch ability of a big receiver while moving like a much smaller athlete to create separation, projecting has a high-upside receiver.
Assessing the position: The Jets desperately needed help at receiver after letting Robby Anderson walk in free agency. Mims figures to slide in and contribute from Day 1, joining Breshad Perriman (outside) and Jamison Crowder (slot) in most three-wide sets. The Jets also have Braxton Berrios, Vyncint Smith and Josh Doctson, among others, on the roster. It wouldn’t be much of a surprise if Mims isn’t the last receiver the Jets draft. Adding him is a step in the right direction, but New York still needs more weapons for their young quarterback.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2020, 10:28:38 AM
True. Between crowder, quincy, and perriman we have 1.75 wrCrowder is one of the best slot WRs in the NFL. Highly underrated.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 26, 2020, 12:40:33 PM
Traditionally it is a difficult position to learn. First year WR's typically have trouble.
Not compared to other positions. If you execute a handful of routes correctly in a game you can be productive and help your team, especially with his speed and size. It's not like O line where any mistake can get your QB killed, or D where you can give up a big play or a TD.
I'm sure there are routes or blocking techniques he needs to work on, but there's no reason he can't be an impact player this year on this team.
Post by: insanity on April 26, 2020, 01:40:04 PM
Crowder is one of the best slot WRs in the NFL. Highly underrated.Crowder = 1 wr
Perriman = .7 wr
Quincy = .05 wr
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2020, 02:35:25 PM
Crowder = 1 wrMath checks out
Perriman = .7 wr
Quincy = .05 wr
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
Not compared to other positions. If you execute a handful of routes correctly in a game you can be productive and help your team, especially with his speed and size. It's not like O line where any mistake can get your QB killed, or D where you can give up a big play or a TD.
I'm sure there are routes or blocking techniques he needs to work on, but there's no reason he can't be an impact player this year on this team.
No, Puck is right.
Most receiver prospects do not take off until their third season.
Coverage at the NCAA level is very vanilla and most offenses (especially Baylors) do not use complete route trees.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2020, 03:30:32 PM
I don't think that's as big of a deal as it used to be 15 years ago. Mims needs to make an impact in year 1 and year 2. I'm not expecting 1,000 yards, but if he can have 500-600 yards and 5-6 touchdowns, that would be fine, as long as Perriman and Crowder do their jobs.
There will be a learning curve for sure, but even if Mims is used in a bit role like a Tre'Quan Smith, he needs to make some plays this season. Smith had 28 Rec, 427 yds, 5 TD as a rookie in 15 games.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 26, 2020, 03:54:56 PM
No, Puck is right.
Most receiver prospects do not take off until their third season.
Coverage at the NCAA level is very vanilla and most offenses (especially Baylors) do not use complete route trees.
I'm sure there's room for improvement but there's no reason he can't be a contributor while he learns the ropes. It's not like a QB who has to learn the whole offense. Start him with a few simple things he can do in games to take advantage of his physical skills.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2020, 04:51:49 PM
Smith had 28 Rec, 427 yds, 5 TD as a rookie in 15 games.
That would be terrible production for a player that might be expected to be our #2 receiver.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2020, 12:20:58 AM
No, Puck is right.
Most receiver prospects do not take off until their third season.
Coverage at the NCAA level is very vanilla and most offenses (especially Baylors) do not use complete route trees.
THis year is going to be pretty tough on all young players. As of now there's no hands on coaching.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2020, 03:29:12 AM
That would be terrible production for a player that might be expected to be our #2 receiver.Perriman is our #1 receiver. Crowder will probably lead us in catches. Mims is third on the WR totem pole entering the year. If he exceeds that, great. We also have Herndon/Griffin and Bell to get catches.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2020, 04:24:14 AM
Perriman is our #1 receiver. Crowder will probably lead us in catches. Mims is third on the WR totem pole entering the year. If he exceeds that, great. We also have Herndon/Griffin and Bell to get catches.
Considering all things I wouldn't even expect Mims to be 3rd in production this year for just wideouts. Factor in tight ends and backs and i could easily see him being 6th or so in catches/yards this year.
Rookies are going to struggle mightly across the board. Especially ones who are dependent on practices.
I think there's a fairly solid chance Perine is our most productive rookie this year outside of the punter. Becton included.
Maybe Davis depending on how often he actually gets to see the field
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2020, 07:34:58 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2020, 08:53:41 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2020, 10:29:17 AM
#Jets second round pick Denzel Mims confirms he will be wearing number 11, the Jets have replaced Robby Anderson’s number quickly
Switched from 15 to 11 because 11 receivers were picked ahead of him
He mad
Post by: Gorilla on April 27, 2020, 10:45:21 AM
Switched from 15 to 11 because 11 receivers were picked ahead of him
He mad
Except there were 12 ahead of him. So mad he can't count!
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2020, 10:58:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
Except there were 12 ahead of him. So mad he can't count!
Mims is a Baylor guy and therefore refuses to acknowledge the existence of Jalen Reagor.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2020, 12:43:05 PM
Post by: insanity on April 27, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
He can't have #12, we retired it for some old QB.He also can't have #13 (13th receiver) because of Maynard.
Pretty funny, how he's trying to pick his number based on getting slighted and he can't even pick one that makes sense.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2020, 02:06:27 PM
He also can't have #13 (13th receiver) because of Maynard.
Pretty funny, how he's trying to pick his number based on getting slighted and he can't even pick one that makes sense.
Should have just stuck with the 15 in green like he had in college.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2020, 03:40:28 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
Should have just stuck with the 15 in green like he had in college.
Reincarnation of BMarsh would be pretty awesome
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2020, 03:40:51 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 29, 2020, 09:25:27 AM
Some of the WR's in recent memory have had, what I would consider, ok to below average careers in the NFL.
Kendall Wright
Corey Coleman
Terrance Williams
The most accomplished is possibly Terrance Williams? I left out Hurd since he was on IR and hasn't played a single snap.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2020, 09:30:30 AM
Looking for someone to help me understand why we're optimistic that Mims can have more success than recent WRs that came out of Baylor?
Some of the WR's in recent memory have had, what I would consider, ok to below average careers in the NFL.
Kendall Wright
Corey Coleman
Terrance Williams
The most accomplished is possibly Terrance Williams? I left out Hurd since he was on IR and hasn't played a single snap.
Josh Gordon babbie
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 09:41:46 AM
Looking for someone to help me understand why we're optimistic that Mims can have more success than recent WRs that came out of Baylor?
Some of the WR's in recent memory have had, what I would consider, ok to below average careers in the NFL.
Kendall Wright
Corey Coleman
Terrance Williams
The most accomplished is possibly Terrance Williams? I left out Hurd since he was on IR and hasn't played a single snap.
Those receivers played in Art Briles' Air Raid system. Denzel Mims was recruited by that staff, but he played in a completely different offense under Matt Rhule's regime.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 09:49:41 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2020, 11:00:07 AM
Josh Gordon babbie
I love how people keep ignoring Gordon when pointing out the lack of success of Baylor receivers. If Gordon could have stayed off the weed, he probably would have turned out to be one of the best receivers of his generation.
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 11:08:10 AM
I love how people keep ignoring Gordon when pointing out the lack of success of Baylor receivers. If Gordon could have stayed off the weed, he probably would have turned out to be one of the best receivers of his generation.
No one's ignoring Gordon's ability. My point the other day is that Baylor has over the last few years produced a series of talented receivers with good college production who are for one reason or another mentally not ready to translate their skills to the NFL. It seems like Baylor has been producing good football players who poorly developed individuals. This could be an Art Briles thing; on a superficial level at least he and Rhule have very different approaches to the personal development that is such an important part of college years, but it could also be in part an issue of the recruiting process.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 11:10:45 AM
They are a historically bad program that had a decent stretch under a terrible human being as head coach. He did literally whatever it took to make them credible and the bottom fell out.
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
Aside from Xavien Howard, has Baylor had any prospects that have panned out?
I think you can make a case the RGIII would have panned out had Shanahan not destroyed him.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 11:13:22 AM
Look at Snacks Harrison. Hopefully we'll be saying the same thing about Cam Clark.
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2020, 11:18:48 AM
Post by: Jumbo on April 29, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
Still waiting for someone to identify the school that does not produce busts.
Chadron State produced Don Beebe and Danny Woodhead, with no busts that I can think of. Therefore, all players should be drafted from Chadron State.
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 11:32:10 AM
Still waiting for someone to identify the school that does not produce busts.
That's not really the point. We're talking about a school that consistently produces good college players who are drafted high and fail in the NFL. It's not unreasonable to investigate whether it's a coincidence, or a fundamental flaw in the system.
The last two drafts are the first ones to exclusively feature Baylor players who weren't part of Briles' program. Let's see if something changes.
Also, Delaware's record in the last decade or so has been good.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 29, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
It only takes one to buck the trend
And Statistically speaking, Mims is due to break some trends
1. Baylor's lack of WR success
2. Jets lack of WR success
3. Jets lack of second round success
4. Jets Lack of drafting Pro Bowl Players
So here's hoping he's the guy to buck all the trends, and becomes the best WR from the class
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 29, 2020, 02:17:12 PM
4. Jets Lack of drafting Pro Bowl Players
Seems like Jamal broke that one.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 29, 2020, 03:19:07 PM
Seems like Jamal broke that one.
Which is why it infuriates me that people want to trade him
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
Which is why it infuriates me that people want to trade him
Who wants to trade him?
Post by: Libero_2 on April 29, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Seems like Jamal broke that one.
Yup. So that means we have draft how many guys who made a pro bowl for us since Revis? 3? Adams, MoWilk and Sheldon?
Is there anybody else aside from them since the 2007 draft?
And when’s the last time we drafted an offensive player who made a pro bowl? Mangold?
Sweet jesus
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2020, 07:24:44 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 29, 2020, 10:27:49 PM
the Packers were trying to trade up to secure a WR in the 2nd and wanted mims, but we drafted him 3 picks before they were up
He would have become dynamite with Rodgers.
Hopefully he becomes just as good or better here in New York
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2020, 07:45:38 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2020, 08:42:41 AM
-PFF
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 09:09:04 AM
Denzel Mims has more contested catches than any WR in college football since 2017.
-PFF
I hate this stat.
It's because he cannot separate consistently.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2020, 09:14:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2020, 09:38:20 AM
Completely unscientific observation here, but every highlight I see of him making a contested catch, he's jumping like 2 inches off the ground. I will say, he makes some difficult catches, but let's not pretend he's a redzone fiend, jumping over guys in the NFL.
Interesting, he had a 38.5 Vert, only guys that got drafted higher with better Verts were Ruggs and Reagor. He’s in the 93rd percentile for wingspan. I disagree with most of your assessment, based on what I’ve seen. Looks good in the red zone, and goes way up over corners to get the ball.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2020, 09:40:11 AM
I hate this stat.
It's because he cannot separate consistently.
Robby could separate with ease on deep routes, but couldn’t make contested catches and was weak on jump balls or any catch with a defender trying to break it up. I like how Mims attacks the ball, Robby would usually turn and wait for the ball to come to him.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Interesting, he had a 38.5 Vert, only guys that got drafted higher with better Verts were Ruggs and Reagor. He’s in the 93rd percentile for wingspan. I disagree with most of your assessment, based on what I’ve seen. Looks good in the red zone, and goes way up over corners to get the ball.I'm probably wrong. I'm good at that.
I think we can still all agree that Puck is a homo.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2020, 09:44:22 AM
I'm probably wrong. I'm good at that.
I think we can still all agree that Puck is a homo.
I mean I haven’t watched extensive tape on him so there’s a good chance I’m wrong too. There’s also the point that these are college corners, but I really like the Vertical aspect to his game. Sam seems to to like to throw it up to his guys and let them go get it, but we haven’t had many of those type of weapons. Sam made Terrelle Pryor look like an NFL player for a few weeks in his rookie season.
Post by: Pope on April 30, 2020, 09:51:10 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 10:30:50 AM
Completely unscientific observation here, but every highlight I see of him making a contested catch, he's jumping like 2 inches off the ground. I will say, he makes some difficult catches, but let's not pretend he's a redzone fiend, jumping over guys in the NFL.
I will give him credit for being a power forward type of receiver. He'll body defensive backs and post up for contested catch. He's good at it, but the problem is that he HAS to do this all the time because he can't separate from coverage.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
Robby could separate with ease on deep routes, but couldn’t make contested catches and was weak on jump balls or any catch with a defender trying to break it up. I like how Mims attacks the ball, Robby would usually turn and wait for the ball to come to him.
Robby is also built like Steve Urkel.
He can run by people, but he wasn't doing much inside the numbers or in the quick passing game.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
We needed a red zone weapon and he can be that player right away, but he could also struggle mightily against press coverage (hopefully not for long because he is physical) and he has a very limited route repertoire.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Doctson could win vertically and was a 50/50 ball machine, but he could never get open consistently.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 30, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: Pope on April 30, 2020, 10:58:34 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
Once it’s identified why he struggles to separate, we can identify whether it will continue to be a struggle for Mims in the pros, or if it is something he can improve upon
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2020, 04:07:01 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Last year, the size/speed monster in the draft was DK Metcalf. I just flipped on a Metcalf highlight reel from last year in Seattle. Metcalf isn't wide open in most of these catches (at least for the first 2 minutes I watched).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfbbrHfEtQ
Jordy Nelson wasn't a monster at getting separation, but if you threw 1-on-1 to him in the red zone or on a deep ball, he was likely to make those plays for Aaron Rodgers. And on shorter passes, he could use his size to box out defenders and make plays.
He will need time to develop as a route runner to reach his full potential. But in the short term, he can be an effective deep threat and red-zone threat.
If Mims were 5'11" and relied on making plays in traffic, I would be more concerned. Obviously, Mims has bust potential. There are some Stephen Hill vibes to his game, but there are also some Metcalf/Nelson/Braylon Edwards.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 04:31:45 PM
He doesn't play to his 40 time on his routes, but with the ball in his hands, he can.
His straight line speed is fine. He doesn't do much after the catch and he hasn't been asked to do anything over the middle other than the occasional slant against zone.
I don't care if he ran a 4.22 or a 4.70. He is not a good route runner.
Like I said earlier, he can and should be a problem in the red zone. We need help there. It's everywhere else where I'm worried.
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
He's also bigger, faster and longer than pretty much every CB he will go up against. He doesn't play to his 40 time on his routes, but with the ball in his hands, he can.
Last year, the size/speed monster in the draft was DK Metcalf. I just flipped on a Metcalf highlight reel from last year in Seattle. Metcalf isn't wide open in most of these catches (at least for the first 2 minutes I watched).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfbbrHfEtQ
Jordy Nelson wasn't a monster at getting separation, but if you threw 1-on-1 to him in the red zone or on a deep ball, he was likely to make those plays for Aaron Rodgers. And on shorter passes, he could use his size to box out defenders and make plays.
He will need time to develop as a route runner to reach his full potential. But in the short term, he can be an effective deep threat and red-zone threat.
If Mims were 5'11" and relied on making plays in traffic, I would be more concerned. Obviously, Mims has bust potential. There are some Stephen Hill vibes to his game, but there are also some Metcalf/Nelson/Braylon Edwards.
That's an interesting comp. You probably don't remember but I wasn't big on Metcalf last year, I always have fears about players who are so physically dominant in college that they can outmuscle some of their technical weaknesses and in Metcalf's case his limited route running. Heismanberg disagreed with me and clearly he was proven right this season; if Mims can be a slightly less showy but similarly modelled option for us then I'm all for it.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 07:19:47 PM
Post by: Pope on May 01, 2020, 12:29:54 AM
Mims is not DKYou right he named after Denzel and he a real one
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2020, 12:37:18 AM
https://youtu.be/tjA4YtTmgTg?t=372
https://youtu.be/D7Ify8fUas0?t=215
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 08:53:18 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2020, 09:14:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 09:32:31 AM
I don't remember Hill having that power forward ability to box out CBs either in his college career or the NFL so Mims is probably ahead of him in that aspect.
Stephen Hill played like a complete hoo-ha.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2020, 09:35:55 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2020, 09:39:32 AM
Stephen Hill played like a complete hoo-ha.
He came into the NFL to be coached by Sanjay Lal and Tony Sparano. It's not a huge shocker that he struggled to figure things out - they knew he was raw when he was drafted and he didn't come into the best environment, that receivers room was a mix of assholes and scrubs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Much like Robby, Mims can be a solid number two with higher upside than Anderson ever offered.
I would be more than fine with this. Hopefully should be able to land a #1 next offseason
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 09:41:21 AM
He came into the NFL to be coached by Sanjay Lal and Tony Sparano. It's not a huge shocker that he struggled to figure things out - they knew he was raw when he was drafted and he didn't come into the best environment, that receivers room was a mix of assholes and scrubs.
Robby was raw too and didn’t get any help from his coaches. Hill was a complete waste of physical gifts
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 09:41:46 AM
Mims' twitter game will be a massive downgrade from Robby.
Biggest loss tbh
Becton is p cool
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2020, 09:44:28 AM
Robby was raw too and didn’t get any help from his coaches. Hill was a complete waste of physical gifts
Robby was just told to do the one thing he knew how to do - beat your man downfield. Robby is also much better at tracking the ball over his shoulder than not just Hill, but quite a lot of receivers.
Hill was asked to learn a bunch of routes and never had a clue how to do it. Several plays every game would finish with him looking around confused as to where he was and whether he was supposed to be there.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2020, 09:59:29 AM
Robby was just told to do the one thing he knew how to do
That's really all he can do.
Elite deep threat ability will be missed but I'd prefer a more well rounded receiver.
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
That's really all he can do.
Elite deep threat ability will be missed but I'd prefer a more well rounded receiver.
Vyncynt Smyth's deep threat ability says hi.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2020, 10:56:01 AM
Vyncynt Smyth's deep threat ability says hi.Vynynsyty Symythy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 02:09:16 PM
50 minute film breakdown on Mims detailing his evolution as a route runner from 2017 > 2018 > 2019.
Post by: insanity on May 01, 2020, 02:14:51 PM
https://twitter.com/mattwaldman/status/1256295078999535616?s=21Would appreciate a summary once someone's watched it.
50 minute film breakdown on Mims detailing his evolution as a route runner from 2017 > 2018 > 2019.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
Would appreciate a summary once someone's watched it.
I watched the first 5 minutes and it was enough for me to put him in the Hall of Fame
Post by: ons on May 03, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
Would appreciate a summary once someone's watched it.
Watched the whole thing over a couple of days. Main points:
1. He got significantly better at getting into and out of breaks over three years, cuts became sharper, he routinely gets reasonable separation from the cuts he makes.
2. He has very strong catching fundamentals, even when he has to contort his body/fight through contact his hands are regularly in good position, goes up to meet the ball with hands together.
3. Shows relatively strong awareness on the boundary, but inconsistent about getting both feet in, room for improvement at the NFL level.
4. Has several strong releases and varies them within the course of the game. Often will try to use plays where he knows he's not getting targeted to set up a release for later in the game - shows that he's thinking and adjusting as the game goes on.
5. Very, very strong blocker downfield, transitions from routes into blocking well and will finish blocking assignments even when he doesn't know the play is developing behind him. Likewise, will occasionally get open by faking blocks and then transitioning into a route.
6. Has the speed and cutting to get away from one-on-one coverage. The guy who was doing the analysis basically didn't specifically talk about the quarterback play at all, but from what I observed, even on plays that Mims beat his coverage, he often had to slow down because the QB didn't lead him down the field. He was also regularly open on quick hitch routes but the quarterback wouldn't throw until after Mims had made his cut, allowing the CB to recover and close.
7. Thoughtful route runner, understands how to get guys to bite on fakes.
8. Quick to turn his head and get up field after the catch, doesn't spend time dancing around/moving backwards.
Basically a lot of praise. The guy said that regardless of the results he was getting, Mims has a really solid process. He doesn't rely on one skill, he's technically sound and improving every year, reliably gets open against all sorts of coverage, plays smart, and is athletic enough to beat anybody and make just about every catch.
Also he really just goes on and on about blocking, makes it seem like Mims could start at RG tomorrow.
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
@MMehtaNYDN
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28m
Source: Jets have agreed to terms on a 4-year, $5.4M deal with second-round WR Denzel Mims. $3M guaranteed.
Some positive news....
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 19, 2020, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 01:13:06 PM
Good.
in b4 his holdout next season
just kidding.
well...maybe not.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 19, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
in b4 his holdout next season
just kidding.
well...maybe not.
Extend everyone except Winters.
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
Watched the whole thing over a couple of days. Main points:Wow great praise and even better write up. Appreciate it
1. He got significantly better at getting into and out of breaks over three years, cuts became sharper, he routinely gets reasonable separation from the cuts he makes.
2. He has very strong catching fundamentals, even when he has to contort his body/fight through contact his hands are regularly in good position, goes up to meet the ball with hands together.
3. Shows relatively strong awareness on the boundary, but inconsistent about getting both feet in, room for improvement at the NFL level.
4. Has several strong releases and varies them within the course of the game. Often will try to use plays where he knows he's not getting targeted to set up a release for later in the game - shows that he's thinking and adjusting as the game goes on.
5. Very, very strong blocker downfield, transitions from routes into blocking well and will finish blocking assignments even when he doesn't know the play is developing behind him. Likewise, will occasionally get open by faking blocks and then transitioning into a route.
6. Has the speed and cutting to get away from one-on-one coverage. The guy who was doing the analysis basically didn't specifically talk about the quarterback play at all, but from what I observed, even on plays that Mims beat his coverage, he often had to slow down because the QB didn't lead him down the field. He was also regularly open on quick hitch routes but the quarterback wouldn't throw until after Mims had made his cut, allowing the CB to recover and close.
7. Thoughtful route runner, understands how to get guys to bite on fakes.
8. Quick to turn his head and get up field after the catch, doesn't spend time dancing around/moving backwards.
Basically a lot of praise. The guy said that regardless of the results he was getting, Mims has a really solid process. He doesn't rely on one skill, he's technically sound and improving every year, reliably gets open against all sorts of coverage, plays smart, and is athletic enough to beat anybody and make just about every catch.
Also he really just goes on and on about blocking, makes it seem like Mims could start at RG tomorrow.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 12:05:46 PM
already promising signs from him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 22, 2020, 01:27:19 PM
i know somebody who saw mims at newark airport a couple of days ago, and said his girl was fine
already promising signs from him
Can he get her to post here?
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 08:22:48 AM
Can he get her to post here?Do you really want to subject her to dcm? Mims will demand a trade.
Post by: Coach K on July 06, 2020, 04:59:35 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 06, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
Philly fans shitting bricks in one of my sports groups lololol(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/0aa1d426525f26d7b979392dad939762.jpg)He's not wrong.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 07, 2020, 05:08:25 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on July 09, 2020, 02:53:37 AM
https://twitter.com/jpafootball/status/1279912623748849664?s=21
all time favorite jet
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 08, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
I’m sure this has something to do with his first time working with a legit NFL QB, but still
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 22, 2020, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2020, 11:22:56 AM
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Doesn’t sound like Denzel Mims is going to practice this week. He’s still working toward cutting & running.
Gase said when he starts to open up, there are times when he still “feels something.” #Jets
Hughes
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 11:27:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 11:29:00 AM
Post by: ons on October 07, 2020, 01:50:59 PM
Second round curse lives on
Quick ranking on games played for Jets second round picks since 2008:
1. Vlad Ducasse
2. Maye
3. Geno Smith
4. Jace Amaro
5. Stephen Hill
6. Devin Smith
7. Hackenberg, Mims
Low expectations = guaranteed success
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2020, 02:02:27 PM
Save Mimms for when Sam's back.Save him for Trevor
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2020, 02:02:30 PM
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2020, 02:03:00 PM
I thought Hill and Amaro were going to be studsSOME DUDES
I wanted Jeffery but I talked myself into being excited for Hill.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 07, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 07, 2020, 02:32:19 PM
Quick ranking on games played for Jets second round picks since 2008:
1. Vlad Ducasse
2. Maye
3. Geno Smith
4. Jace Amaro
5. Stephen Hill
6. Devin Smith
7. Hackenberg, Mims
Low expectations = guaranteed success
It's hard to overstate how disastrous this is. The second round, you should be getting high end starters there, we're lucky if anyone contributes at all. It's been going on this way forever, too. When you refuse to pay or keep your first rounders and get nothing from the second round, it's no mystery why this team is never good.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 07, 2020, 02:52:27 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 07, 2020, 04:18:15 PM
I think Stephen Hill will have had a more productive career in a Jets uniform than Mimz
Post by: Libero_2 on October 07, 2020, 07:08:38 PM
Quick ranking on games played for Jets second round picks since 2008:
1. Vlad Ducasse
2. Maye
3. Geno Smith
4. Jace Amaro
5. Stephen Hill
6. Devin Smith
7. Hackenberg, Mims
Low expectations = guaranteed success
I already know how damn bad the list is. But I for one am shocked that Vlad Ducasse has played more games than Marcus Maye has.
Post by: ons on October 07, 2020, 09:30:47 PM
I already know how damn bad the list is. But I for one am shocked that Vlad Ducasse has played more games than Marcus Maye has.
50 games and 5 starts over 4 seasons for Vlad, Maye is at 44
I thought Hill and Amaro were going to be studs
Combined 37 games played as Jets, and approaching 1000 career yards receiving between the two of them! Fun fact, they're both multiple years younger than Chris Hogan.
I think Stephen Hill will have had a more productive career in a Jets uniform than Mimz
Mims was significantly more polished and accomplished coming out of college than Hill ever was. Only way he doesn't hit those productivity numbers (45 career catches, 4 touchdowns) should be injury.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 08, 2020, 09:37:04 AM
Mims was significantly more polished and accomplished coming out of college than Hill ever was. Only way he doesn't hit those productivity numbers (45 career catches, 4 touchdowns) should be injury.
Thus far he's right on track
Post by: Badger on October 25, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2020, 04:13:16 PM
Teams are going to put their best CB on Mims, put two guys on our slot WR, and dare us to beat them (we can't).
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 26, 2020, 03:41:54 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 26, 2020, 05:49:37 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 26, 2020, 09:57:50 AM
Devin Smith's NYJ Stats: 10 catches for 135 yards and 1 TD
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 26, 2020, 01:59:21 PM
Post by: Laxin on October 26, 2020, 02:03:24 PM
He looked good in the first half, I haven't seen the second half yet. For his first game he was involved, can't wait to see more.
No one saw the second half either
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 26, 2020, 04:00:41 PM
No one saw the second half either
Apparently the Jets missed it. I got out of the car as Roberts took the second half kickoff past the 50.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2020, 09:55:05 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2020, 11:24:58 AM
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Very challenging matchup for Denzel Mims today. Will be a focal point w/ Crowder and Perriman out, and it will be against a great Chiefs CB group.
Kansas City cornerbacks have allowed the 2nd-fewest yards per target (6.85) and 3rd-fewest yards per cover snap (0.92)
Nania
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 01, 2020, 06:21:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 01, 2020, 06:30:27 PM
I say next week we throw another pass his way. Can't hurt.
Easy now. We don't want to damage his confidence. Probably better just to give it to Gore a couple more times to be safe.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 01, 2020, 06:33:56 PM
Easy now. We don't want to damage his confidence. Probably better just to give it to Gore a couple more times to be safe.To be fair, it might hurt my confidence, too, if I were stuck on this awful team.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 01, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
Easy now. We don't want to damage his confidence. Probably better just to give it to Gore a couple more times to be safe.
Right. Each target he gets, stunts his growth.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 01, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
- Mims: 54
- Berrios: 47
- Jeff: 47
- Vyncint: 13
Post by: Libero_2 on November 02, 2020, 07:59:04 PM
With 6 catches for 84 total yards in both games on I believe 10 total targets.
My god we are bad at throwing the football. But still it’s nice to know Mims already has a franchise record through 2 career starts
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2020, 10:12:52 PM
Apparently Mims is the first WR in team history to lead the team in receiving in his first two career games.I would have guessed Stephen Hill.
With 6 catches for 84 total yards in both games on I believe 10 total targets.
My god we are bad at throwing the football. But still it’s nice to know Mims already has a franchise record through 2 career starts
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2020, 12:26:06 AM
I would have guessed Stephen Hill.
Al Toon caught at least three passes in his first 40 or 50 games. Obviously we had a much better passing game and he was a HOF talent had he not gotten so many concussions.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 30, 2020, 12:41:41 PM
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Rookies since 1970 to post 40+ receiving yards in each of their first 5 career games:
- Terry Glenn (1996)
- Andre Johnson (2003)
- Stefon Diggs (2015)
- Amari Cooper (2015)
- Michael Thomas (2016)
- Terry McLaurin (2019)
- CeeDee Lamb (2020)
- Denzel Mims (2020)
Nania
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 30, 2020, 01:05:05 PM
Nania
even a 13 year old me was hoping that andre johnson fell to us that draft as opposed to drafting d-rob lmao
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 30, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
Post by: delavan on December 04, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
1. Justin Jefferson, Vikings - 90.1
2. Brandon Aiyuk, 49ers - 79.0
3. Chase Claypool, Steelers - 75.3
4. Denzel Mims, Jets - 74.3
PFF
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 10:52:31 AM
With any luck the Raiders will get him to 6. I'm sure that list shrinks in size a bit each week....
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Rookie WRs in NFL history to post 40+ receiving yards in each of their first 6 career games
- Andre Johnson (2003)
- Amari Cooper (2015)
- Stefon Diggs (2015)
- Michael Thomas (2016)
- CeeDee Lamb (2020)
- Denzel Mims (2020)
Post by: Libero_2 on December 07, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
We really need to target him more than 3 times a game (and once on a 2 pt conversion).
With luck Seattle gets him to 7 games.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 07, 2020, 12:10:28 PM
We really need to target him more than 3 times a game (and once on a 2 pt conversion).
With luck Seattle gets him to 7 games.
Can't do that. Gase it concerned him catching the ball may stunt his growth.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 07, 2020, 12:22:38 PM
I would love to see Mims get more targets, but I don't know if that's a function of Gase calling bad plays or Darnold not being able to find him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 07, 2020, 12:37:36 PM
Post by: reuben on December 07, 2020, 12:45:05 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 07, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
He needs 18 yards over the next four games to surpass Stephen Hill's best season with us. He passed Devin Smith's career total two weeks ago.
Next up to pass on that list of legends should be Jace Amaro, aka Early Man.
Post by: reuben on December 07, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
Next up to pass on that list of legends should be Jace Amaro, aka Early Man.
I have such a blind spot in my memory for Simple Jace, but anytime somebody mentions him it makes me laugh.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 07, 2020, 01:56:14 PM
I have such a blind spot in my memory for Simple Jace, but anytime somebody mentions him it makes me laugh.
Someone here made a funny avatar of him, it's one of the only reasons I even remember him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2020, 09:40:32 PM
Post by: reuben on December 30, 2020, 09:58:23 PM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1344353849704914948?s=21
Darnold's getting hate in the comments for not seeing him but he already had to roll around Not Penei Sewell.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 30, 2020, 10:28:53 PM
Darnold's getting hate in the comments for not seeing him but he already had to roll around Not Penei Sewell.Sam isn't good but its dumb to blame him here IMO.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 10:40:37 PM
Post by: reuben on December 30, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2020, 11:23:37 PM
Darnold's getting hate in the comments for not seeing him but he already had to roll around Not Penei Sewell.
Yup. The RT got walked back into Sam.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 21, 2021, 11:34:05 AM
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https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/86928/call-them-gang-green-new-york-jets-prepare-for-a-season-like-no-other
Speaking of sneaky good signings, Keelan Cole can ball. He will be in the wide receiver rotation. ... Denzel Mims, who started eight games last season, isn't even among the best five receivers on this year's roster.
Post by: MBGreen on June 21, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2021, 11:41:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2021, 11:42:54 AM
Keelan Cole
Jamison Crowder
Elijah Moore
Denzel Mims
Cole, Crowder, and Moore are best inside the numbers. Mims is a true x and he can block on the perimeter. Just because he hasn't flashed in minicamp doesn't mean he won't have a bigger role. We need someone opposite Corey Davis when we spread things out.
Post by: Johnny English on June 21, 2021, 11:44:22 AM
Corey Davis
Keelan Cole
Jamison Crowder
Elijah Moore
Denzel Mims
Cole, Crowder, and Moore are best inside the numbers. Mims is a true x and he can block on the perimeter. Just because he hasn't flashed in minicamp doesn't mean he won't have a bigger role. We need someone opposite Corey Davis when we spread things out.
You forgot Braxton Berrios and the Smith brothers.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2021, 12:12:01 PM
You forgot Braxton Berrios and the Smith brothers.
No, I did not.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 21, 2021, 12:43:35 PM
Mims is the 5th-most accomplished WR on this roster. Davis had nearly 1,000 yards last season. Crowder is an accomplished slot guy. Cole had 642 yards last season, and he's had some blowup games in the NFL. Even Berrios was pretty effective in the slot last year.
Davis, Crowder, Cole and Berrios would be one of the worst WR corps in the NFL, but there is enough reasonable talent there where we could survive. I hope Mims steps up and claims an outside spot because he has a ton of upside, but if we need to take it slow with him, we will be fine, especially if Moore can play right away.
As much as I liked Mims coming out, the Jets had a chance to draft him early in the 2nd round (and I would have loved the pick), and they opted to trade down instead. So while they like Mims, they clearly liked Moore more as a prospect.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 21, 2021, 01:06:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 07, 2021, 04:19:31 PM
Didn’t read, fake news
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2021, 06:57:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Bizarre how fast this dude went from exciting and promising to worthless garbage
So he’s worthless because we have talent and depth at WR now?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 08, 2021, 07:08:18 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 08, 2021, 07:10:22 PM
So he’s worthless because we have talent and depth at WR now?
i think cimini outright calling out that we're going to trade this guy based off where/how he's been in what is still the early preseason in mims' second year is extremely premature, but it was enough for the rest of the league 'sources' to start saying we're looking to move this guy
our reporters are fvckin trash
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2021, 07:10:24 PM
So he’s worthless because we have talent and depth at WR now?
It doesn't sound like that's the reason he's worthless.
But well find out exactly his value if he gets cut/traded. And it sounds like that might be for a very low value
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 08, 2021, 08:10:21 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 08, 2021, 08:31:29 PM
Costello said on a podcast that anyone who suggests Mims is on the roster bubble doesn't know what he's talking about. Besides Davis, we don't have anyone else with size at the position. Mims showed a lot of promise as a rookie. The idea of trading him for pennies on the dollar before his second season has even started is ludicrous.
So much this. Cimini is stirring up all kinds of excrement and national reporters took Cimini’s word for it and ran with the story.
I refuse to believe the staff doesn’t look at Mims and see incredible potential for success. Does he need work? Obviously, but there is stuff to work with and I would be absolutely shocked if we “give up on” Mims before the likes of Perine, Zuniga, Davis or Morgan from last years draft class.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
Costello said on a podcast that anyone who suggests Mims is on the roster bubble doesn't know what he's talking about. Besides Davis, we don't have anyone else with size at the position. Mims showed a lot of promise as a rookie. The idea of trading him for pennies on the dollar before his second season has even started is ludicrous.
Yup. Dick living up to his namesake. Mims is safe until he Twitter feed is bad enough to pee off Heis.
Post by: reuben on August 08, 2021, 10:06:35 PM
There's so much talent there, I'd love to see him get three seasons to put it all together. But if he goes, I'll understand. He had a solid opportunity to demonstrate his indispensability over the course of last season and he spent most of it in the tub. So it goes.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Vycint Smith doesn't count.
Moore and Crowder are better inside and Cole probably is too.
Davis
Moore
Crowder
Cole
Mims
Post by: Libero_2 on August 09, 2021, 04:40:51 AM
Corey Davis and Denzel Mims are the only true outside receivers on this team.
Vycint Smith doesn't count.
Moore and Crowder are better inside and Cole probably is too.
Davis
Moore
Crowder
Cole
Mims
At a bare minimum, Mims deserves to be here because he is the only guy on the roster with a skill set remotely similar to Davis. If Davis goes down, we have no one who can do what he does.
I think Mims is a hell of a lot more than that, but clearly my opinion is invalid
Post by: Coach K on August 09, 2021, 02:51:39 PM
Nor do I think he should. Even if Mims ends up WR4 or WR5 were 1 injury from him getting a uptick in snaps
The discussion is pointless imo
Post by: Coach K on August 09, 2021, 02:52:24 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 09, 2021, 09:20:32 PM
i think cimini outright calling out that we're going to trade this guy based off where/how he's been in what is still the early preseason in mims' second year is extremely premature, but it was enough for the rest of the league 'sources' to start saying we're looking to move this guy
our reporters are fvckin trash
yup
fvck the jets beat
fvckin attention whore-ing histrionic pvssies
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
lol
Post by: Heismanberg on August 10, 2021, 06:29:45 PM
https://twitter.com/tonypauline/status/1425151877986017280?s=21
lol
Man, I hate that player of the pink oboe
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2021, 06:44:38 PM
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2021, 07:28:12 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 07:53:21 PM
He's still less wrong about it than the sensationalist Jets beat.
This has been true more than zero times, which is a hilarious commentary on the state of our beat reporters
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2021, 08:21:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2021, 12:23:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2021, 02:46:34 PM
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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- New York Jets wide receiver Denzel Mims used to enjoy salmon, but not anymore. In the spring, he ate a plate of bad salmon that triggered a bout of food poisoning, which caused him to lose 20 pounds.
"I haven't touched salmon ever since then," Mims said Wednesday.
Mims, a 2020 second-round pick, missed most of the offseason practices as he dealt with the severe effects. He vomited for two weeks and required antibiotics because of an intestinal infection. He didn't say where he ate the salmon (he wasn't asked), but a source said it was served in the Jets' cafeteria. His weight plummeted from 217 to 197, such a dramatic decline that he's only back to 208 after two months of healthy eating.
Ayfkm guys
Post by: reuben on August 11, 2021, 03:19:38 PM
He didn't say where he ate the salmon (he wasn't asked), but a source said it was served in the Jets' cafeteria.
That's peak Jets right there
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2021, 10:02:28 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 15, 2021, 10:05:55 AM
https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1426913529827926020?s=19
not sure how cimini was not directly called out in that vid. he was the one that started the trade talk bs
Post by: ons on August 15, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
It's still a weird look to have Vyncent Smith getting so many more snaps than Mims did in the first half, I'm guessing that they're rewarding him for a good spring/summer. But it's hard to see a world in which Mims can't do everything that Smith does significantly better.
Post by: reuben on August 15, 2021, 10:56:12 AM
It's still a weird look to have Vyncent Smith getting so many more snaps than Mims did in the first half, I'm guessing that they're rewarding him for a good spring/summer. But it's hard to see a world in which Mims can't do everything that Smith does significantly better.
Smith made a play last night that is as good as you can get from a gunner.
I think it's awesome that Mims wants to try to contribute on ST, it shows his dedication to improvement. But he sucks on specials, at least right now. Smith and Berrios don't. So the problem with Mims remains who are you going to give practice snaps to: guys who are definitely going to dress on Sundays because they're already key ST contributors, or the back-up outside receiver who can't make an impact on ST?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2021, 12:24:30 PM
Hughes is useless
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 15, 2021, 02:06:34 PM
Post by: reuben on September 20, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
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Jets coach Robert Saleh said Denzel Mims was made inactive in Week 2 because he doesn't play special teams.
Saleh noted that his team's fifth receiver needs to play special teams to make the active roster. Mims hasn't played a snap of special teams duties since being drafted by the Jets in the second round. Jeff Smith was kept on New York's gameday roster over Mims in Week 2. Mims won't hold any fantasy value this year and could be on the roster bubble heading into the 2022 season.
Pretty much exactly what I thought would happen, except I expected the other Smith.
I don't trust LaFleur. I don't trust his schemes or his personnel decisions. But that doesn't change the fact that Denzel Mims has no role on this team in 2021 while Corey Davis is healthy. I think it would be a mistake, but there's a better than average chance Doug trades Mims before the deadline.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
I think it would be a mistake, but there's a better than average chance Doug trades Mims before the deadline.
Trade him for a right guard today.
Post by: reuben on September 20, 2021, 05:19:34 PM
Trade him for a right guard today.
Yeah I'd be all for that. If it's for future picks, I'd rather have the insurance for Davis.
With the exception of our first 1st, there are no draft picks or defensive players I wouldn't move to get rid of Greg van Roten. I hate him. I hate his life.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2021, 05:23:11 PM
The Herndon trade was good value, but we could really use a better safety valve at TE.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2021, 05:38:21 PM
Or trade him for a tight end.
The Herndon trade was good value, but we could really use a better safety valve at TE.
Herndon is worse than Griffin and Kroft
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 20, 2021, 07:37:06 PM
Trade him for a right guard today.
This is the only way Mims helps more than if he's playing over Berrios.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2021, 08:01:32 PM
This is the only way Mims helps more than if he's playing over Berrios.
Mims can’t play in the slot. Berrios can.
It’s simple.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2021, 05:50:55 AM
Mims can’t play in the slot. Berrios can.
It’s simple.
But Crowder can play the slot. Moore as well. Are they both better than Berrios?
If Berrios is catching passes, then the best players aren't on the field. If Berrios is active and Mims isn't, then the best players aren't even dressed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 06:23:29 AM
It also didn't help that he was injured for most of last season which stunted his development and sick for the beginning of this pre-season so he wound up behind on his work for the new offense.
If Mims can only play one WR position, he's not the best player to put out there on the field. I want him dressed and I want him playing but I don't want to take Corey Davis out off of the field if we don't need to just to give Mims reps.
Mims will either redshirt this season or he'll get traded for someone who can actually help run LaFleur's offense.
Unless he makes a huge stride in learning how to play Y or Z receiver, he's the low man on the roster and it's exactly because of his talent level.
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2021, 06:33:09 AM
Fant over Moses and Cole over Mims were both weird to me. The former played out the way it should though depthwise when Becton went down.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 07:24:15 AM
The moment we signed Davis, Mims should have been competing to be the Z receiver on the outside opposite Davis. So it's weird that he apparently only knows the routes for X. The missed time due to illness doesn't explain that.
Fant over Moses and Cole over Mims were both weird to me. The former played out the way it should though depthwise when Becton went down.
It's not that weird, Baylor plays a very vertical offense where Mims' experience was mostly at X. It's very possible that Mims just isn't as talented at receiver as we thought he was.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2021, 07:44:08 AM
It's not that weird, Baylor plays a very vertical offense where Mims' experience was mostly at X. It's very possible that Mims just isn't as talented at receiver as we thought he was.
Mims didn't play for Baylor last year
He has a year of NFL experience under his belt in the Loggains offense.
The Davis thing makes sense, but our approach has not.
Corey Davis was signed 9 months ago.
That's plenty of time to figure out what the freak were doing with Mims.
Having him be #6 or #7 isn't a good plan. If that's the case the value was shopping him before the season
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2021, 08:10:34 AM
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2021, 08:21:22 AM
It's not that weird, Baylor plays a very vertical offense where Mims' experience was mostly at X. It's very possible that Mims just isn't as talented at receiver as we thought he was.Unless they come from stacked teams like Bama, most WRs drafted in the first few rounds were the #1 option on their college teams, but most aren't going to be as they enter the NFL, so transitioning from one side to the other isn't exactly an uncommon request. So either the coaching staff has mishandled this or Mims is too stupid to learn a slightly different role. Or I suppose, a third possibility is it clicks for him soon and he plays and contributes.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2021, 08:24:13 AM
He had 23 receptions for 357 yards and no TDs last year, I'm not sure why people are suddenly all bent out of shape about him not playing.
It's not savior complex. It's this dude was a 2nd round pick a year ago who showed flashes.
Having him as an inactive is a notch above cutting him.
If he was dressing as the #5 wideout getting 15 snaps a game you'd probably see 99% of the whining disappear
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 08:38:17 AM
There’s no way you can tell me they can’t find a way to use Mims right now, I don’t believe that. Especially with Davis being such a versatile receiver.
Maybe Mims is too 1 dimensional skill set wise, maybe he can’t learn the playbook. Maybe he pissed off the coaching staff.
If this is really a team that is going to finish with a top 5 pick then they need to find a way to play him eventually.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 08:42:55 AM
Mims didn't play last year
FTFY
It's like everyone forgets that he was active for only a very brief period last season. The rest was on IR where he wasn't practicing. I don't know where people think his experience is coming from.
If the coaches are saying that he's not grasping the offense in practice and the beat writers are saying he's not grasping it in practice, maybe he isn't as good as we thought he was.
Post by: MBGreen on September 21, 2021, 08:48:33 AM
FTFY
It's like everyone forgets that he was active for only a very brief period last season. The rest was on IR where he wasn't practicing. I don't know where people think his experience is coming from.
If the coaches are saying that he's not grasping the offense in practice and the beat writers are saying he's not grasping it in practice, maybe he isn't as good as we thought he was.
JetsTwitter thinks we've benched Jerry Rice. It's equal parts hilarious and sad.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 08:50:17 AM
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Rookie WRs in NFL history to post 40+ receiving yards in each of their first 6 career games
- Andre Johnson (2003)
- Amari Cooper (2015)
- Stefon Diggs (2015)
- Michael Thomas (2016)
- CeeDee Lamb (2020)
- Denzel Mims (2020)
Mims never played lol
This is with noted bad quarterback Sam Darnold throwing the ball, noted shithead Adam Gase drawing up the schemes, and Jets legend Dowell Loggains choosing to target him 3 times a game in favor of Braxton Berrios and Breshad Perriman
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 08:51:05 AM
JetsTwitter thinks we've benched Jerry Rice. It's equal parts hilarious and sad.
I could have sworn this is what you said when Joe Douglas selected him
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 08:55:46 AM
JetsTwitter thinks we've benched Jerry Rice. It's equal parts hilarious and sad.
I want him to play. I want our draft picks to succeed and I'm frustrated that he's not making it on the field but honestly if we're actually going to trust the coaching staff then maybe we should believe that they know what they're doing with the WR corps.
Post by: MBGreen on September 21, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
I could have sworn this is what you said when Joe Douglas selected him
You're gonna need to dig pretty deep into the posting archives for something like that.
And even if you did, believe it or not, opinions and situations change.
FTR, i have nothing against Mims....but the CS knows more than any of us, so i'll defer to their decision making.
Post by: MBGreen on September 21, 2021, 08:58:58 AM
I want him to play. I want our draft picks to succeed and I'm frustrated that he's not making it on the field but honestly if we're actually going to trust the coaching staff then maybe we should believe that they know what they're doing with the WR corps.
I'll defer to the CS too. This isn't Adam Gase or Todd Bowles. Until Saleh gives me a reason to not believe in him, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2021, 09:14:52 AM
We’re getting our derriere beat and feeding Braxton Berrios. Jeff Smith is getting snaps.Keelan Cole, 15 snaps, 0 targets
There’s no way you can tell me they can’t find a way to use Mims right now, I don’t believe that. Especially with Davis being such a versatile receiver.
Maybe Mims is too 1 dimensional skill set wise, maybe he can’t learn the playbook. Maybe he pissed off the coaching staff.
If this is really a team that is going to finish with a top 5 pick then they need to find a way to play him eventually.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Mims never played lol
This is with noted bad quarterback Sam Darnold throwing the ball, noted shithead Adam Gase drawing up the schemes, and Jets legend Dowell Loggains choosing to target him 3 times a game in favor of Braxton Berrios and Breshad Perriman
Just checked his game log. I remember him missing more games than that.
So we're down to these possibilities:
1. Mims is a future All-pro who the coaching staff is intentionally railroading or too incompetent to recognize.
2. Mims can excel in a limited role but isn't worth taking the team's #1 WR off of the field for and isn't developing in other roles well enough, be it offense or special teams, for the coaching staff to pull another WR off of the active roster to make room for him.
EDIT:
Saleh on Mims:
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“Denzel, he had a real good week of work,” Saleh said. “He’s just got to continue on what he did and just understand that there’s special teams involved. There’s the Z, the X and if he can capitalize off what he did this week, I don’t anticipate this being much longer. At the same time, I don’t see Jeff and Keelan and all those guys relenting. They’re every bit as deserving of being on the football field, too.
“He’s got to be better than those guys. That’s the bottom line."
https://nypost.com/2021/09/19/denzel-mims-got-to-be-better-than-other-jets-wrs-to-play-says-coach/ (https://nypost.com/2021/09/19/denzel-mims-got-to-be-better-than-other-jets-wrs-to-play-says-coach/)
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2021, 09:26:11 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2021, 09:29:34 AM
I think LaFleur stinks so far, but I don't have a problem with who he is playing over Mims.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2021, 09:30:37 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
Jeff Smith isn’t going to help us win games or elevate Zach. I get that Special teams exists, but I could honestly care less about a gunner if our offense continues to look like it did in weeks 1 and 2.
I need Berrios to stop getting targets at this rate once Crowder is back.
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2021, 09:36:10 AM
Joe D says he sees Mims as a guy that can step in and contribute starting from day 1, he does not feel that there are concerns with his route tree, and that coaches were impressed with his ability to learn after speaking to him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 09:36:18 AM
FWIW, Mims was my 8th overall WR in 2020. I was not a fan of his route running or scheme versatility.
I think LaFleur stinks so far, but I don't have a problem with who he is playing over Mims.
There were 12 receivers taken ahead of him
Post by: bojanglesman on September 21, 2021, 09:36:43 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 09:36:44 AM
*Joe Gase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 09:41:27 AM
Berrios is a poor man's Welker. Everyone seems to hate him, but he keeps playing well.
I’m fine with what he does as a player, but his role has always been way too big for my liking. I’m ok with PR and 5th WR with the same type of routes he runs now.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 09:48:35 AM
I’m fine with what he does as a player, but his role has always been way too big for my liking. I’m ok with PR and 5th WR with the same type of routes he runs now.
If Crowder could stay healthy this wouldn’t be an issue.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 09:51:16 AM
If Crowder could stay healthy this wouldn’t be an issue.
When you look at it like that, he’s pretty solid depth. On a playoff team he could be a great piece, but he can’t keep leading our team in targets.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2021, 09:51:26 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2021, 10:07:34 AM
There were 12 receivers taken ahead of him
Yet we have a large portion of our fanbase crying about him being inactive
Post by: insanity on September 21, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
Berrios is our backup slot and pr/kr
Smith is our starting gunner
The competition is Mims vs Cole.
I don't think its crazy that a vet like Cole, who has been sucessful in this league, is at a higher spot in the depth chart than Mims.
It's really that simple.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 11:54:02 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2021, 12:13:21 PM
I really want to see the guy play, but this is such an overreaction by our fanbase.Agreed. That said, it's obviously not a good sign that Mims hasn't been able to crack the lineup. I view that as an indictment on Mims more than an indictment on the coaching staff though. They've been open about what Mims needs to do to earn playing time. Maybe there's more to it than that, but I don't really think so.
Berrios is our backup slot and pr/kr
Smith is our starting gunner
The competition is Mims vs Cole.
I don't think its crazy that a vet like Cole, who has been sucessful in this league, is at a higher spot in the depth chart than Mims.
It's really that simple.
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2021, 12:46:15 PM
Berrios is a poor man's Welker. Everyone seems to hate him, but he keeps playing well.
Mrs. Welker (Anna Burns, former Ms. Hooters pageant winner):
https://www.facebook.com/hooters/photos/2005-anna-burnssouthern-belle-anna-burns-from-fayetteville-north-carolina-was-cr/146153971776/
Post by: dcm1602 on September 23, 2021, 01:25:17 PM
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Jets OC Mike LaFleur on Denzel Mims: “Another great day of practice yesterday and I truly mean that.” Adds that “a lot of factors” go into game-day roster decisions. #Jets
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 23, 2021, 08:26:47 PM
We’re getting our derriere beat and feeding Braxton Berrios. Jeff Smith is getting snaps.
There’s no way you can tell me they can’t find a way to use Mims right now, I don’t believe that. Especially with Davis being such a versatile receiver.
Maybe Mims is too 1 dimensional skill set wise, maybe he can’t learn the playbook. Maybe he pissed off the coaching staff.
If this is really a team that is going to finish with a top 5 pick then they need to find a way to play him eventually.
AlioTheFool thanks you for this post.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 23, 2021, 08:33:01 PM
"A lot of factors"
Like an OC whose precious feelings were hurt when a year-2 WR had the gall to not take his rah-rah pep talk well?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 23, 2021, 08:34:23 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 23, 2021, 08:37:15 PM
"A lot of factors"Or maybe Mims just needs to learn the offense?
Like an OC whose precious feelings were hurt when a year-2 WR had the gall to not take his rah-rah pep talk well?
Thats what the coaches have said about this from the beginning. I dont really have a reason not to believe them.
I do wonder if Davis could play a big slot sometimes and Mims can go outside.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 23, 2021, 08:51:13 PM
Or maybe Mims just needs to learn the offense?
Thats what the coaches have said about this from the beginning. I dont really have a reason not to believe them.
Sure, no reason at all.
It's not like it was reported that LaFleur was offended that Mims didn't like his get-em-next-time-tiger speech and suddenly the guy is buried on the depth chart.
I do wonder if Davis could play a big slot sometimes and Mims can go outside.
A coaching staff should get creative and find ways to get the best players on the field? Crazy talk.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 23, 2021, 09:05:42 PM
Why is it so hard to believe that Mims doesn't know the offense that well?
I liked Mims coming out of the draft and he was fine last year. That stat about him getting 40 yards in his first few games is cool but mostly irrelevant.
I am a little annoyed he can't get on the field, and I dont want to blindly trust the staff, but I'm not freaking out at the staff.
Maybe the staff isn't lying and they don't think he can play the whole offense yet. Maybe he just isn't that good and he's worse than Moore, Davis, Berrios and Cole. Maybe it took him a while to recover from food poisoning.
All of those make just as much or more sense than him not playing because he hates him.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2021, 10:52:09 PM
AlioTheFool thanks you for this post.
Why do you love Mims so much?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2021, 05:46:50 AM
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2021, 05:51:36 AM
Post by: Coach K on September 24, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
You just rotate Davis at Z and Crowder at Y
Sorry not sorry , if you want to make him learn everything before he plays everything. Fine
But 0 excuse for 1 snap in 2 games
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2021, 09:27:39 AM
I mean even if he can only play X
You just rotate Davis at Z and Crowder at Y
Sorry not sorry , if you want to make him learn everything before he plays everything. Fine
But 0 excuse for 1 snap in 2 games
Crowder is likely out again.
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2021, 09:49:35 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2021, 10:59:01 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2021, 11:18:32 AM
Mims isn't injured and reportedly had a good week of practice. Having fallen behind Keelan Cole and Braxton Berrios in the team's wideout pecking order, Mims' lack of special teams usage could keep him inactive for much of the 2021 season. It's a remarkable fall for a second-round wideout who flashed as a rookie, catching 23 passes for 357 yards (15.5 yards per catch) in eight starts.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2021, 11:24:35 AM
Jets twitter will ne a lot of fun if Mims is a healthy scratch and Cole winds up with zero catches again.
It doesn't matter, there will always be something to bitch about.
BTW, Berrios will lead the team in receiving again. Book it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2021, 11:25:13 AM
It doesn't matter, there will always be something to bitch about.
BTW, Berrios will lead the team in receiving again. Book it.
I meant I’m going to laugh at it.
Post by: insanity on September 24, 2021, 12:21:06 PM
Getting things done?Going to die
Post by: Jumbo on September 24, 2021, 06:29:22 PM
I mean even if he can only play X
You just rotate Davis at Z and Crowder at Y
Sorry not sorry , if you want to make him learn everything before he plays everything. Fine
But 0 excuse for 1 snap in 2 games
Exactly this. Maybe the staff Mims to learn more of the playbook to get on the field - if I give them maximum benefit of the doubt - but Jyff Smyth is getting playing time over him. LaFleur is perhaps too attached to specific scheme fits. Maybe if this was a team with talent/depth on par with SF that'd be justifiable... but we're not even close.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 24, 2021, 09:52:41 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on September 25, 2021, 11:38:22 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1441800248167317506?s=19/trade shitposting
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2021, 01:36:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 26, 2021, 01:50:43 PM
Josh Adams SZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2021, 11:38:33 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 27, 2021, 12:13:21 AM
It does look bad when you say Mims is dominating at practice, and then the Jets get shut out with Mims inactive.
This is migated by the excessively optimistic nonsense coming out of Saleh non stop.
Ie how Wilson had his best practice ever
Or how amazing this whole team looks at practice.
I get it it, you gotta keep excrement positive during what will be a painful miserable season.
But also means you can't buy anything he says
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2021, 06:01:18 AM
This is migated by the excessively optimistic nonsense coming out of Saleh non stop.https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Migate
Ie how Wilson had his best practice ever
Or how amazing this whole team looks at practice.
I get it it, you gotta keep excrement positive during what will be a painful miserable season.
But also means you can't buy anything he says
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2021, 10:30:05 AM
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Jets longest play from scrimmage through three games is 40 yards, which came on Denzel Mims only rep of the season
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2021, 01:15:04 PM
Why do you love Mims so much?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2021, 03:49:08 PM
Why do you love Mims so much?
You didn’t answer my question
What is so great about Mims?
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2021, 03:50:07 PM
You didn’t answer my question"Douglas lucked into Mims"
What is so great about Mims?
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2021, 03:53:34 PM
"Douglas lucked into Mims"He nonchalanted into Ashtyn Davis
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2021, 03:57:33 PM
Post by: steves850 on September 27, 2021, 03:58:54 PM
He caught a garbage time pass for 40 yards on a busted coverage
Goat.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2021, 07:13:45 PM
He caught a garbage time pass for 40 yards on a busted coverage
Best home grown receiver since Jeremy Kerley.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2021, 07:16:57 PM
Best home grown receiver since Jeremy Kerley.
Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson make you a liar. I don't have a particularly strong feeling about Mims one way or the other, but he hasn't really done anything yet.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2021, 08:56:29 PM
You didn’t answer my question
What is so great about Mims?
What's so great about any of the Jets receivers?
I want to see what a high draft pick can do. He looked okay last year when he finally played.
If we buy into the idea that all the guys who aren't scratched on game day are outplaying him, why haven't the Jets just cut him at this point, because he must be absolute garbage.
What is Corey Davis doing that's so impressive? You can make the ST argument for Berrios and Smith. Davis has been a liability and only plays one position. I just saw Keelan Cole's picture on the back of a milk carton.
Why not give Mims an opportunity? Can it really be any worse? It's not that I'm in love with Mims. I have no clue what he can do. Neither does anyone else. But we've seen what the guys who are supposedly better than him are doing. But they didn't hurt LaFleur's feelings, so...
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2021, 09:09:59 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2021, 01:02:03 AM
What I will say about Mims is that he's 6'3 210, ran a 4.38, and thus far appears to have good hands. Those are elite measurables and yet he went 59th overall, the 13th receiver taken in his draft, and now he's not making the gameday roster for a bad team. So there's definitely something that a lot of people don't like about him, and it definitely isn't anything physical.JE= Raiderjoe with Spellcheck.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2021, 01:11:00 AM
What I will say about Mims is that he's 6'3 210, ran a 4.38, and thus far appears to have good hands. Those are elite measurables and yet he went 59th overall, the 13th receiver taken in his draft, and now he's not making the gameday roster for a bad team. So there's definitely something that a lot of people don't like about him, and it definitely isn't anything physical.The excuse they keep saying is he isn't learning the playback. Saleh inferred today that the priority is developing Zach and they want receivers he can trust.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2021, 01:24:20 AM
The excuse they keep saying is he isn't learning the playback. Saleh inferred today that the priority is developing Zach and they want receivers he can trust.
My personal hypothesis
Is with Crowder out, they value versatility more. Since Crowder is a very versatile dude and Mims is not, so they don't desire to use a roster spot on him.
Once Crowder returns, Mims will probably start being active.
I mean why else was Mims a game time decision in Denver? It's not like Berrios or Smith were questionable to the best of my knowledge.
I'm a little sleep deprived so I can't think it throguh too well, but I do think Crowders health is one of the major factors in Mims being active
As to why Mims was active and didn't play week 1? I have no freaking idea, I'll just assume he straight up didn't know the play book well enough, and the Crowder thing
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2021, 09:42:20 AM
My personal hypothesisI don't really see how that makes sense. So when Crowder comes back, Mims also comes back? Seems to me when Crowder comes back, Mims gets buried slightly more. Crowder returning might mean Berrios is inactive if they trust someone else at punt returner.
Is with Crowder out, they value versatility more. Since Crowder is a very versatile dude and Mims is not, so they don't desire to use a roster spot on him.
Once Crowder returns, Mims will probably start being active.
I mean why else was Mims a game time decision in Denver? It's not like Berrios or Smith were questionable to the best of my knowledge.
I'm a little sleep deprived so I can't think it throguh too well, but I do think Crowders health is one of the major factors in Mims being active
As to why Mims was active and didn't play week 1? I have no freaking idea, I'll just assume he straight up didn't know the play book well enough, and the Crowder thing
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 28, 2021, 10:21:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2021, 11:04:48 AM
If the coaching staff thinks a 2nd rd pick isn't good enough to make the active roster then so be it. It's a whiff by JD
Mims was drafted under a different coaching regime.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 28, 2021, 11:05:33 AM
Mims was drafted under a different coaching regime.
Gase didn't draft him....JD did
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2021, 11:06:58 AM
Gase didn't draft him....JD did
lol
you know the coaches have input in who gets drafted, right? JD has final decision...but he's going to take the coach's scheme into consideration.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2021, 11:26:54 AM
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2021, 01:59:43 PM
I'd honestly love to know what exactly he's freaking up in practice.Wearing his cup on his face and doing a Bane impression
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2021, 03:07:12 PM
I don't really see how that makes sense. So when Crowder comes back, Mims also comes back? Seems to me when Crowder comes back, Mims gets buried slightly more. Crowder returning might mean Berrios is inactive if they trust someone else at punt returner.
I don't know.
It's the only thing that makes any sense to me though. That there's some permutation of wideout/special teams depth that just doesn't work out for Mims if Crowder isn't healthy.
Mims being a game-time decision honestly just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me otherwise.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2021, 03:09:01 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Third-and-6 vs Denver: An odd clump of 3 receivers in the middle. Top to bottom: Berrios, Davis and Kroft. Someone had to run the wrong route. And they’re not playing Mims because he’s still learning all 3 WR spots? Btw, Wilson was sacked for a loss of 14. #jets
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1442894701661618179
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Third-and-6 vs Denver: An odd clump of 3 receivers in the middle. Top to bottom: Berrios, Davis and Kroft. Someone had to run the wrong route. And they’re not playing Mims because he’s still learning all 3 WR spots? Btw, Wilson was sacked for a loss of 14. #jets
Does anyone else want to post this freaking play?
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
Does anyone else want to post this freaking play?
It was a play called Levels, it's designed for beating Cover 2 but the Jets failed to read the disguised coverage and then didn't execute it properly anyway.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2021, 05:10:48 PM
It was a play called Levels, it's designed for beating Cover 2 but the Jets failed to read the disguised coverage and then didn't execute it properly anyway.I always liked Levels as a playcall in Madden when I used to play it.
Let me know if you have any questions.
R.I.P. Avicii.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2021, 05:17:14 PM
It was a play called Levels, it's designed for beating Cover 2 but the Jets failed to read the disguised coverage and then didn't execute it properly anyway.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Any chance of us bringing Tom Moore back to teach Lefleur?
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
Any chance of us bringing Tom Moore back to teach Lefleur?
Somehow he is a) still alive and b) still working, but I very much doubt that he wants to leave his cushy job with the Buccs to come back to this dumpster fire.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2021, 08:45:24 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 29, 2021, 09:11:20 AM
<insert Douglas/Saleh/Lafleur rooster into mouth>
There should be skepticism in Mims not playing. When any of the offensive coaches show an iota of competence then maybe I would give them a pass here. But freak them
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2021, 09:23:46 AM
I love the 1 dimensional label on Mims. We had a similar 1 dimensional player that left because of a mistake in player evaluation. There's no way in hell that a similar mistake is being made here......nope
Talking about Robby?
Agreed on the offensive coaching staff. Just putting the same offense out there every game without trying to adjust at all. It's just like last season.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 29, 2021, 09:29:21 AM
Talking about Robby?
Agreed on the offensive coaching staff. Just putting the same offense out there every game without trying to adjust at all. It's just like last season.
Yep 100% Robby. Meaning let the guy play, go over the top and do what he does best learn as he goes. If he only does that one thing in his career who cares? there's no one on the roster that can do it regardless. I know the game is more complex nowadays but still this offense stinks get some kind of excitement/threat going.
Your 2nd point, the NFL defenses figure out quickly how to counteract an offense that is actually good, they must be licking their chops watching this mess on film.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 09:43:06 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 29, 2021, 09:51:09 AM
I'm not sure there's a lot of point using Mims or anyone else to solely run go routes, given the line can't keep Zach clean long enough for even the fastest burner to get any separation. We need to get the ball out of Zach's hands quicker, not give him more slow developing plays to get smoked on.
Opens other avenue if they have to protect against a legitimate threat. He doesn't have to run go routes exclusively he can stop and go and other things to at least have a modicum of a threat.
Post by: Badger on September 29, 2021, 09:55:37 AM
I'm not sure there's a lot of point using Mims or anyone else to solely run go routes, given the line can't keep Zach clean long enough for even the fastest burner to get any separation. We need to get the ball out of Zach's hands quicker, not give him more slow developing plays to get smoked on.There's no point keeping him inactive unless they actually believe it's for his own good, because it's impossible for his presence on the field to actually hurt our offense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 10:03:28 AM
There's no point keeping him inactive unless they actually believe it's for his own good, because it's impossible for his presence on the field to actually hurt our offense.
This has been my point all along. The idea that Mims would hurt our offense right now is a joke.
Also I could give a excrement about whatever it is Jeff Smith does because he’s sure as hell not helping us score points
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 10:20:45 AM
There's no point keeping him inactive unless they actually believe it's for his own good, because it's impossible for his presence on the field to actually hurt our offense.
I'm not arguing he should be inactive, I'm saying that activating him to run go routes that will never be thrown is a bit pointless. If we're going to use him then let's use him to do something to help Zach.
Post by: Badger on September 29, 2021, 10:41:05 AM
I'm not arguing he should be inactive, I'm saying that activating him to run go routes that will never be thrown is a bit pointless. If we're going to use him then let's use him to do something to help Zach.But is it more pointless than not playing at all?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 11:16:43 AM
There's no point keeping him inactive unless they actually believe it's for his own good, because it's impossible for his presence on the field to actually hurt our offense.Not sure this is actually true. Yes, in terms of points scored, it's almost impossible to be worse. But the way Saleh made it seem, they don't trust Mims to run the right routes or be at the right place at the right time. If that's the case, that could make Wilson look even worse.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
But is it more pointless than not playing at all?
If the alternative is having a player active who is capable of running routes that will help Zach, then yes.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2021, 11:26:20 AM
RIP Mims
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 11:37:12 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2021, 12:01:47 PM
Throw 6 WRs out there and just 3 OL. Wilson is gonna be running for his life anyway, might as well give him more options to hail mary to.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 29, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
@RichCimini
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WR Jeff Smith was involved in a car accident on the way to the facility this morning and didn't practice. But he's in the building and is OK, source says, but could show up on the injury report. #Jets
MIMZ to Active?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Rich CiminiIt would be hilarious if Mims and Jeff Smith are inactive.
@RichCimini
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WR Jeff Smith was involved in a car accident on the way to the facility this morning and didn't practice. But he's in the building and is OK, source says, but could show up on the injury report. #Jets
MIMZ to Active?
Post by: MBGreen on September 29, 2021, 12:41:16 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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4m
WR Jeff Smith was involved in a car accident on the way to the facility this morning and didn't practice. But he's in the building and is OK, source says, but could show up on the injury report. #Jets
MIMZ to Active?
Mims drove the car that hit Jeff Smith
Post by: Badger on September 29, 2021, 02:24:16 PM
If the alternative is having a player active who is capable of running routes that will help Zach, then yes.
3 games in and we haven't seen this yet.
Post by: Badger on September 29, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
Mims drove the car that hit Jeff SmithHe put that dead deer in the road to make them swerve.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 29, 2021, 03:15:26 PM
He put that dead deer in the road to make them swerve.
He's too dumb to run a route properly what makes you think he has the foresight to put a deer in the road?
Sorry I have to call false news on this. Stop spreading rumors.
Post by: Laxin on September 29, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
Not sure this is actually true. Yes, in terms of points scored, it's almost impossible to be worse. But the way Saleh made it seem, they don't trust Mims to run the right routes or be at the right place at the right time. If that's the case, that could make Wilson look even worse.
From my untrained eye, it seems like pass-catchers running the wrong route wasn't an uncommon occurrence last week and so far this season.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
From my untrained eye, it seems like pass-catchers running the wrong route wasn't an uncommon occurrence last week and so far this season.
Maybe our coaches aren’t good enough for Mims not the other way around
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2021, 04:58:50 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2021, 10:02:57 AM
@BrianCoz
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Denzel Mims will be active this week, Saleh said.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2021, 10:11:52 AM
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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11m
Denzel Mims will be active this week, Saleh said.
Thank God, maybe people can STFU now when he gets 1 catch for 7 yards.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2021, 10:12:29 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 01, 2021, 10:18:42 AM
Thank God, maybe people can STFU now when he gets 1 catch for 7 yards.
Honestly I think we’ve had at least 5 WRs catch passes in each game this season. I’d say it’s likely he gets a grab or two just based on that
Week 1
Davis
Mims
Moore
Berrios
Smith
Week 2
Davis
Moore
Berrios
Smith
Cole
Week 3
Davis
Moore
Berrios
Smith
Cole
Post by: Badger on October 01, 2021, 10:55:51 AM
Brian CostelloWE'RE GOING TO RICKS
@BrianCoz
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Denzel Mims will be active this week, Saleh said.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 01, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
I have a bag of singles............make it rain
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2021, 11:47:05 AM
WE'RE GOING TO RICKS
Call Tommy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 01, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 04, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 08:04:02 PM
0 catches for 0 yards yesterday. I have no idea if he was targeted at any point.No registered targets from what I've seen. What I don't know is if he even had any snaps.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2021, 08:05:07 PM
No registered targets from what I've seen. What I don't know is if he even had any snaps.10
Post by: dcm1602 on October 04, 2021, 08:42:38 PM
10
Did he play all the positions?
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 10:47:49 PM
Did he play all the positions?1 snap at each position besides QB.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2021, 09:00:12 AM
0 catches for 0 yards yesterday. I have no idea if he was targeted at any point.
0 for 0 and a Jets win
I’ll let you smart guys do the analysis
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2021, 02:15:53 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1445829883741884421?t=2J42TAKPnPIDUG70P1XNQA&s=19
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2021, 02:24:28 PM
Breaking:
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1445829883741884421?t=2J42TAKPnPIDUG70P1XNQA&s=19
Jesus Christ Denzel, stop eating fish out of the trash.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 06, 2021, 02:28:16 PM
Jesus Christ Denzel, stop eating derriere.
fyp
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2021, 03:07:14 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 06, 2021, 03:47:02 PM
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2021, 04:40:40 PM
All seems like a giant conspiracy to keep Mims off the field. LaFleur probably poisoned him.Mike "Littlefinger" LaFleur
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2021, 04:41:28 PM
Maybe he ate bad fish again on purpose so he could try and get traded while avoiding possibly injury in all those plays where he goes in to run block.Does he have the same agent as Maye? If so, this is plausible.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 06, 2021, 04:56:12 PM
Does he have the same agent as Maye? If so, this is plausible.
He's going to have to up his DUI count.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2021, 06:31:04 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
We really should just trade him for a right guardOr a tight end. Seems like an obvious move, but teams probably don't want to trade offensive line depth.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 06, 2021, 08:09:36 PM
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2021, 10:15:47 PM
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Play Like A Jet
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Bart Scott on
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says he believes Mekhi Becton's "FREE MIMS" tweet spoke for a lot of the players in the lockerroom. #Jets
Lost the lockerroom already
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 11, 2021, 09:02:03 AM
LaFleur sucks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2021, 11:56:14 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2021, 11:58:30 AM
WRs:
Mims: 59 (70%)
Cole: 55 (65%)
Crowder: 51 (61%)
Moore: 30 (36%)
Berrios: 20 (24%)
Smith: 20 (24%)
Post by: ons on November 01, 2021, 12:18:17 PM
Denzel Mims led #Jets WRs with 59 snaps (70%)
WRs:
Mims: 59 (70%)
Cole: 55 (65%)
Crowder: 51 (61%)
Moore: 30 (36%)
Berrios: 20 (24%)
Smith: 20 (24%)
Makes sense, given everything said about him being Corey Davis's backup. I'm interested to rewatch for his downfield blocking and route-running, I'm hoping he contributed in ways that didn't show up on the statsheet as much.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 01, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Makes sense, given everything said about him being Corey Davis's backup. I'm interested to rewatch for his downfield blocking and route-running, I'm hoping he contributed in ways that didn't show up on the statsheet as much.
Would have contributed more if he could have gotten his hands on that one pass in the end zone.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
@BrianCoz
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Hearing the Jets have received trade calls about WR Denzel Mims but the answer from the Jets has been a consistent “No.”
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1458192616932134914?s=21 (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1458192616932134914?s=21)
Post by: reuben on November 09, 2021, 04:15:53 PM
Update: Has COVID, is vaccinated.
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1458192616932134914?s=21 (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1458192616932134914?s=21)
https://twitter.com/Mang_Island/status/1458192752257249280 (https://twitter.com/Mang_Island/status/1458192752257249280)
Savage
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2021, 04:16:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Mang_Island/status/1458192752257249280 (https://twitter.com/Mang_Island/status/1458192752257249280)
Savage
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Post by: steves850 on November 09, 2021, 04:52:20 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Mang_Island/status/1458192752257249280 (https://twitter.com/Mang_Island/status/1458192752257249280)
Savage
Except that my recollection, based on no stats, is that he's caught pretty much everything thrown his way this season and the main criticism is that he hasn't actually been targeted.
Post by: reuben on November 09, 2021, 06:54:38 PM
Except that my recollection, based on no stats, is that he's caught pretty much everything thrown his way this season and the main criticism is that he hasn't actually been targeted.
Your recollection is wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2021, 07:02:48 PM
Except that my recollection, based on no stats, is that he's caught pretty much everything thrown his way this season and the main criticism is that he hasn't actually been targeted.Except that TD he dropped in the end zone.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 09, 2021, 07:06:07 PM
Except that my recollection, based on no stats, is that he's caught pretty much everything thrown his way this season and the main criticism is that he hasn't actually been targeted.
it's not that often but there have been a couple of times this season where he's burned himself by trying to let the ball come into body as opposed to going out and grabbing it with his hands. im pretty sure there was one moment this season where he did this and the ball literally bounced off his body
Post by: reuben on November 09, 2021, 07:14:20 PM
Except that TD he dropped in the end zone.
And two more drops against Indy. That's 3 catches and 3 drops since cracking the starting line-up due to Corey Davis' injury.
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2021, 08:03:32 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2021, 08:10:45 PM
Your recollection is wrong.
This
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2021, 10:08:47 PM
Yeah but stillYou were at the pub
Post by: bojanglesman on November 10, 2021, 03:15:58 AM
Yeah but stillI didn't think of that aspect. Excellent point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2021, 02:39:07 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2021, 03:32:21 PM
Post by: delavan on December 12, 2021, 03:32:04 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 12, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
speaking 'glowingly' of a struggling/bust 2nd round pick is the very base thing you have to do in a situation like this, but it's at least kind of the staff to continue propping him up to the media. i don't have any confidence in mims making something of his time with the jets based off of his own innate ability/work ethic, so hopefully the staff continues to try and figure out what they can do to get the most out of him/make him succeed.
forgetting that he's a 2nd round pick, he does nothing on the field to warrant continued playing time, so will be interesting to see what happens from here moving forward. they'll either try to salvage him by trying to find him moments of playing time, or they'll bench him like they did today
corey davis and elijah moore were out and the staff felt more comfortable with throwing dj montgomery (who?) out there than they did with mims. not good
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 12, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
Post by: insanity on December 12, 2021, 05:54:54 PM
Chances are he'll go to a team like the chargers who throw bombs deep and play well.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 12, 2021, 06:02:21 PM
It's just confusing how he can look so promising last year and like such excrement this year.
Chances are he'll go to a team like the chargers who throw bombs deep and play well.
Or he’ll just end up sucking like Stephen Hill
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 12, 2021, 06:03:57 PM
It's just confusing how he can look so promising last year and like such excrement this year.He showed some flashes, but I think some fans seriously overrated just how much he flashed. There was some cherry-picked stat about rookies with 40 yards in their first couple games which put him in great company and got people irrationally excited.
Chances are he'll go to a team like the chargers who throw bombs deep and play well.
He made some plays as a rookie. So did Stephen Hill. Mims has had a disastrous year 2.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 06:57:52 AM
Worse than Stephen Hill
God I hate how true this is.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2021, 08:08:49 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
I'm disgusted I ever took this dude's side.excrement happens. No reason in believing in a 2nd-round pick until they prove they can't. He showed some flashes last year. Not as much as some people claimed (the "40 yards in first X games stat" was always kind of ridiculous), but he has been awful this year.
My guess is he gets a chance with a full training camp where he is hopefully healthy next year, but he's nowhere near guaranteed a roster spot. Or we trade him for some other team's disappointing draft pick.
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
I'm disgusted I ever took this dude's side.He deserved the benefit of the doubt until recently.
Post by: reuben on December 27, 2021, 08:54:06 PM
He was speaking about Mims and added his usual "I'm not saying that's the case with him" addendum, but I think he was also speaking about Mekhi Becton to some degree.
Post by: insanity on December 27, 2021, 10:10:44 PM
, but I think he was also speaking about Mekhi Becton to some degree.And people thought I was crazy about becton. That dude posts more on ig than any professional athlete should. He also is always flexible g about purchases.
It doesn't mean players can't do both, it just looks like a lack of focus and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a bust.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2021, 10:21:00 PM
And people thought I was crazy about becton. That dude posts more on ig than any professional athlete should. He also is always flexible g about purchases.
It doesn't mean players can't do both, it just looks like a lack of focus and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a bust.
Jfc
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
And people thought I was crazy about becton. That dude posts more on ig than any professional athlete should. He also is always flexible g about purchases.
It doesn't mean players can't do both, it just looks like a lack of focus and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a bust.
Did you just claim Becton will never be a good football player because of his social media activity while out for the season due to injury?
It really is amazing how much an injury changes peoples perception of a player
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 28, 2021, 05:39:02 AM
Post by: insanity on December 28, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Did you just claim Becton will never be a good football player because of his social media activity while out for the season due to injury?Yes. And I'll stick to it.
It really is amazing how much an injury changes peoples perception of a player
Social media is a time suck and this dude posts more than any athlete I've ever seen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 28, 2021, 06:23:08 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
Follows athletes on social media, gets mad when athletes post on social media.
I get people following beat writers and excrement for the latest news and updates.
But serious question.
Who the freak says oh yeah I want to follow a 400 pound dude on Instagram and look at his pictures?
I'll concede I'm a dinosaur in general with this excrement so I'm legitimately curious.
Post by: insanity on December 28, 2021, 09:10:51 AM
I get people following beat writers and excrement for the latest news and updates.I followed him after a few people were posting a bunch of links to his ig. I thought the posts were funny so I gave him a follow. Everytime I look at my stories he's number one and has 20+ posts a day.
But serious question.
Who the freak says oh yeah I want to follow a 400 pound dude on Instagram and look at his pictures?
I'll concede I'm a dinosaur in general with this excrement so I'm legitimately curious.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2021, 09:34:44 AM
I followed him after a few people were posting a bunch of links to his ig. I thought the posts were funny so I gave him a follow. Everytime I look at my stories he's number one and has 20+ posts a day.
Maybe he could be one of those people who takes a picture of every damn thing he eats. So at least we can know why he's 400 pounds
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2021, 09:44:46 AM
I followed him after a few people were posting a bunch of links to his ig. I thought the posts were funny so I gave him a follow. Everytime I look at my stories he's number one and has 20+ posts a day.Does he post more or less than Lisa Wilson?
Post by: insanity on December 28, 2021, 09:45:01 AM
Maybe he could be one of those people who takes a picture of every damn thing he eats. So at least we can know why he's 400 poundsLol. I know it's a stretch, but I just have this feeling. All he does is flex on things he purchases and posts memes. He never posts anything related to the jets like his teammates. We know he did not look good at the start of this year and this recovery is taking twice as long as expected.
Consider me doubtful of his commitment
Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2021, 09:55:50 AM
Lol. I know it's a stretch, but I just have this feeling. All he does is flex on things he purchases and posts memes. He never posts anything related to the jets like his teammates. We know he did not look good at the start of this year and this recovery is taking twice as long as expected.
Consider me doubtful of his commitment
As I said, amazing how a season ending injury makes people forget how good an athlete you are.
Becton was a pretty amazing LT (for a rookie) last year. Now with this injury he may not ever be the same guy only time will tell, but deciding the guy can’t play football or isn’t committed to being a professional athlete because he got hurt boggles my freaking mind.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2021, 09:56:42 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2021, 10:21:24 AM
As I said, amazing how a season ending injury makes people forget how good an athlete you are.
Becton was a pretty amazing LT (for a rookie) last year. Now with this injury he may not ever be the same guy only time will tell, but deciding the guy can’t play football or isn’t committed to being a professional athlete because he got hurt boggles my freaking mind.
Becton always had weight concerns (I think any nfl player close to 400 pounds get associated with that) so his "commitment" isn't a new concern. Hell there's talk about him being overweight and letting himself go as a rookie.
Then there was concerns about his weight during the offseason. And now he got shutdown for the year from an injury we were told he might return from in October.
Nome or this means Becton is lazy or a degenerate. But it's a trend worth following and remembering when it comes time for a new contract
If he plays well next year nobody will give a freak or remember any of this excrement. If he doesn't, then it's going to be amplified and he might join previous jets legends with the sloppy fat moniker
Post by: insanity on December 28, 2021, 01:43:02 PM
As I said, amazing how a season ending injury makes people forget how good an athlete you are.He was not good in the prrseason
Becton was a pretty amazing LT (for a rookie) last year. Now with this injury he may not ever be the same guy only time will tell, but deciding the guy can’t play football or isn’t committed to being a professional athlete because he got hurt boggles my freaking mind.
Post by: insanity on December 28, 2021, 01:43:46 PM
He probably gets paid to promote those purchases.He wasn't.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 28, 2021, 02:20:06 PM
He was not good in the prrseasonWas he posting on Instagram in the preseason? Can we get an in-depth study of the quantity and subject of Becton instagram posts since we drafted him?
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2021, 04:45:05 PM
Was he posting on Instagram in the preseason? Can we get an in-depth study of the quantity and subject of Becton instagram posts since we drafted him?Get me Michael Narnia
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2021, 04:48:25 PM
Get me Michael Narnia
On 64% of his pictures, Mekhi uses filters. Is he a bust? Absolutely not. He's the greatest tackle of all-time. Just look at the numbers.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 29, 2021, 09:42:23 AM
In the last two years there have been 109 WR that have run 350+ pass routes...only one of them hasn't scored a TD.
Guess Who?
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2021, 09:45:08 AM
Per Dick Cimini's recent podcast.
In the last two years there have been 109 WR that have run 350+ pass routes...only one of them hasn't scored a TD.
Guess Who?
the 2nd round bust curse continues
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2021, 09:52:14 AM
Per Dick Cimini's recent podcast.
In the last two years there have been 109 WR that have run 350+ pass routes...only one of them hasn't scored a TD.
Guess Who?
How many has he dropped? He dropped at least one this season
He’s as good as gone in the off-season.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 29, 2021, 10:29:24 AM
How many has he dropped? He dropped at least one this season
He’s as good as gone in the off-season.
there has been at least 2 moments this year where he was in the endzone and an attempted ball thrown to him has hit him in hands without him even attempting to make the catch lmao, one of those being the 'stepped out of bounds anyways' play from this past week
Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
How many has he dropped? He dropped at least one this season
He’s as good as gone in the off-season.
I’m sure everyone is wishing we had taken the trade compensation offered to us for him around cutdown day and again at the deadline. You have to believe a team would have paid us much better for him then than they will in March.
Good news I guess is we can probably get back into the 6th or 7th round for him
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2021, 12:36:16 PM
Good news I guess is we can probably get back into the 6th or 7th round for him
That's awful news because it means we spent a second rounder on another excrement player. We should try to move him for a backup offensive lineman or safety in the offseason.
He's at best a WR5 for us next year. Move him for depth at another position.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 29, 2021, 04:06:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 29, 2021, 04:23:37 PM
given the lack of a feasibly decent return at this point, i don't see us being able to trade him. if we don't cut him outright he may make it through the offseason and to preseason with us, but if nobodies like dj montgomery are still getting reps over him at that point, he'd get cut prior to the season starting
I don't think we'll get anything notable for him
But the guys got enough talent that someone will give up a late round flier
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2021, 04:34:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2021, 11:12:59 PM
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2022, 03:29:17 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 02, 2022, 03:30:10 PM
DNP
If it wasn't clear before, it is now. He is done here.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2022, 03:32:18 PM
DNPShouldve tossed his shoulder pads on the turf and his gloves into the stands
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2022, 09:00:14 AM
Shouldve tossed his shoulder pads on the turf and his gloves into the standsDenzLOL Mims would never... he doesn't know the playbook well enough to know where the stands are.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2022, 09:47:05 AM
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2022, 02:52:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2022, 02:53:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1499085256833617922?t=QtVdxxDZxF9vzfrp00kuNw&s=19
Narrator: it had.
Post by: reuben on March 27, 2022, 12:54:19 PM
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ESPN's Rich Cimini reports that Jets WR Denzel Mims "isn't a lock" to be on the team in September.
The Jets brought back Braxton Berrios and have effectively blocked Mims from their three-wide sets barring injury, meaning his roster battle could be uphill as he doesn't contribute on special teams. Mims made just three catches in his three starts last year. He isn't a factor in standard fantasy leagues, and whatever dynasty value he has diminishes by the day.
Yeah no excrement Rich
Post by: Libero_2 on March 27, 2022, 01:03:19 PM
Yeah no excrement Rich
Why in the universe is Mims on any fantasy radars. They might as well be talking about Jeff Smith and Tariq Black for that matter.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2022, 01:15:27 PM
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2022, 08:53:55 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2022, 09:34:37 AM
Thinking about becoming a Denzel Mims guy this off-season. #istillbelieve
I'm there with you. Assuming he doesn't eat the wrong fish again and assuming he doesn't get beat out by a UDFA, I think he has a good shot to make the roster despite offering nothing on special teams. I don't think anyone is offering us anything of value in trade for him, and he's one Corey Davis injury from having a shot at a significant role. We don't have a ton of depth at WR. We have 4 important WRs, Mims and JAGs. Most teams keep 6.
Don't get me wrong, I think he stays buried and collects maybe 200 yards this season, but that's better than last year. I think we are running the ball a lot more this year.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2022, 09:37:56 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2022, 09:46:13 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2022, 09:50:04 AM
i think he's done here because he doesn't play special teams
We have enough depth at defensive back where it might not matter, but who does he backup in the offense?
LaFleur played Jeff Smith over Mims when Davis got hurt. Embarrassing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 03, 2022, 09:53:12 AM
I just flat out don't care about this dude right now. If he makes the roster: OK; if he gets cut: OK.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
We have enough depth at defensive back where it might not matter, but who does he backup in the offense?
LaFleur played Jeff Smith over Mims when Davis got hurt. Embarrassing.
Only hope I have is that he was really set back more than anyone knew by that food poisoning. Apparently he lost a excrement-ton of weight. Probably not, but I'm pulling for the guy. He is a hell of an athlete.
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2022, 11:00:08 AM
I feel like saying your a "Mims person" is an open request to be bullied at this point.I'M BEING CANCELLED FOR MY BELIEFS
I just flat out don't care about this dude right now. If he makes the roster: OK; if he gets cut: OK.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
Right now, Mims and Smith are battling for our 5th receiver spot, and it's not crazy we keep six.
Hard to be optimistic on Mims after last season, but he's still 24 and has the size/speed combo you like, especially when Moore, Berrios and Wilson are all smaller receivers.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2022, 11:16:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2022, 11:19:14 AM
We should trade him
I think I'd rather give him another year than get a 5th or 6th rounder for him. At least there's a chance that he was sick all last year. I mean, he probably just sucks, but he's worth giving another shot.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
He doesn't have value right now, so you're trading him for another team's version of Mims. And WR5 is wide open on this roster right now. It's not like we have 6 guys ahead of him. He has a clear path to make the roster if he takes a step forward.
If we drafted two receivers like some thought we would/should, then yeah, trade him. But unless we make a significant veteran addition, I don't see the point unless the Jets are just done with him.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2022, 11:26:14 AM
I think I'd rather give him another year than get a 5th or 6th rounder for him. At least there's a chance that he was sick all last year. I mean, he probably just sucks, but he's worth giving another shot.
Trade him for a player at LB or S
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 03, 2022, 11:29:19 AM
If he can help us land a player at LB or Safety or another position of need that we would otherwise have to fight for in FA then I would not be upset.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2022, 11:30:17 AM
1. Odell Beckham Jr., Los Angeles Rams
2. Julio Jones, Tennessee Titans
3. Emmanuel Sanders, Buffalo Bills
4. Jarvis Landry, Cleveland Browns
5. Cole Beasley, Buffalo Bills
6. Will Fuller, Miami Dolphins
7. John Ross, New York Giants
8. Albert Wilson, Miami Dolphins
9. Keelan Cole, New York Jets
10. Adam Humphries, Washington Commanders
Post by: dcm1602 on May 03, 2022, 10:45:54 PM
I think I'd rather give him another year than get a 5th or 6th rounder for him. At least there's a chance that he was sick all last year. I mean, he probably just sucks, but he's worth giving another shot.
I think the problem is he doesn't do special teams.
If Mims was a #5 or #6 and played special teams great.
But I don't think they'll save a roster spot for a guy who can't do anything
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 04, 2022, 09:47:53 AM
More Mims hype.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2022, 09:49:10 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 04, 2022, 10:56:35 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 04, 2022, 11:37:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2022, 09:39:57 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2022, 09:41:34 AM
I feel like saying your a "Mims person" is an open request to be bullied at this point.
I just flat out don't care about this dude right now. If he makes the roster: OK; if he gets cut: OK.
Lol, as Jets fans we’ve rooted for much worse/unlikeable players
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2022, 09:47:39 AM
Lol, as Jets fans we’ve rooted for much worse/unlikeable playersLike Geno Smith
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2022, 09:54:35 AM
Like Geno Smith
I rooted for Geno Smith despite his obvious shortcomings. Perfect game 12/28/14, Never Forget. Never once rooted for Hackenberg.
Geno therefore an objectively better pick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2022, 09:55:53 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 10, 2022, 10:10:11 AM
Year 2, he had a bad illness in training camp, and he had to learn a new system that wasn't necessarily what he was drafted for.
I'm not expecting much, and neither are the Jets because he's WR5 entering camp, but the hate has gone too far with some.
And if it's to build up trade value, that's fine, too.
Post by: reuben on May 10, 2022, 10:29:56 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 10, 2022, 10:42:43 AM
I'm gonna go dig up the Stephen Hill thread since we're apparently talking about wide receivers who have no chance to make this team.Didn't know you were such a big Jeff Smith fan.
Post by: reuben on May 10, 2022, 11:10:31 AM
Didn't know you were such a big Jeff Smith fan.
I'm actually Vyncint Smith Hyve. 4 LYFE
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2022, 11:22:36 AM
Pros:
-Not Jeff Smith
Cons:
-No glaring negatives when compared directly to Jeff Smith
Post by: MBGreen on May 10, 2022, 12:21:49 PM
Post by: klaximilian on May 10, 2022, 01:36:26 PM
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Can you at least buy me a drink first?
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2022, 09:48:29 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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1m
Saleh says Mims is in “fantastic shape” and has worked on what the Jets wanted him to work on.
Mims 2022 Breakout SZN
Post by: delavan on June 01, 2022, 03:30:37 PM
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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1m
Saleh says Mims is in “fantastic shape” and
has worked on what the Jets wanted him to work on.
Mims 2022 Breakout SZN
drop the surströmming, the hákarl and the rotten salmon and bone up on the playbook.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 02, 2022, 07:34:53 PM
poor tweet
Post by: dcm1602 on June 02, 2022, 07:37:57 PM
it's nice that he's apparently in shape but i'm almost positive that the team didn't ask him to work on getting into better shape as the goal for this offseason and the upcoming season
poor tweet
The word and is key
Post by: Libero_2 on August 25, 2022, 05:19:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1562923429715648516
This is annoying not because I think we want to keep him, I expect he was going to be trade in the next 5-10 days anyways, but this hurts leverage a bit
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2022, 05:26:13 PM
Requested a trade per his agent / and reported by Garafolo
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1562923429715648516
This is annoying not because I think we want to keep him, I expect he was going to be trade in the next 5-10 days anyways, but this hurts leverage a bit
It's like a week before final cut downs.
If you're trying to shop someone odds are other teams know you probably don't want to keep them
Post by: Libero_2 on August 25, 2022, 05:29:04 PM
It's like a week before final cut downs.
If you're trying to shop someone odds are other teams know you probably don't want to keep them
True. But we still got a 4th for Herndon who is seemingly done as an NFL player a year later. I just like giving Douglas every opportunity to use his leverage as much as possible
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2022, 05:31:17 PM
True. But we still got a 4th for Herndon who is seemingly done as an NFL player a year later. I just like giving Douglas every opportunity to use his leverage as much as possible
The best leverage would be more than one team wanting him.
He's young, he's a wideout, he has physical gifts, and is on a rookie contract.
Best we can do is hope
Post by: Libero_2 on August 25, 2022, 05:38:19 PM
Ravens and Packers lack WRs but likely would have no interest in a move like this.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2022, 09:42:02 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 26, 2022, 11:16:54 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2022, 11:44:25 AM
Post by: reuben on August 26, 2022, 12:20:17 PM
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The Athletic's Joe Person reports the Panthers "have called about Jets WR Denzel Mims."
Mims showed some promise as a rookie, going for 357 yards in nine games. In his second season, he was completely phased out of the offense. Mims totaled just 133 yards in 2021. If a trade isn't worked out, it's likely that the Jets simply cut him before Week 1. Mims posted a pair of 1,000-yard seasons under Panthers head coach Matt Rhule while both were at Baylor. Carolina is also dangerously thin at receiver behind D.J. Moore and Robbie Anderson. The familiarity makes Carolina an ideal landing spot for Mims, though he will remain off the fantasy radar no matter where he ends up.
Oh I'd love it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 12:24:30 PM
Oh I'd love it.
How long until Rhule starts throwing him under the bus?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2022, 12:27:15 PM
Oh I'd love it.
that's a familiar anus for JD to trade rape. Get it done.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
that's a familiar anus for JD to trade rape. Get it done.
What do they have left?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2022, 12:44:27 PM
What do they have left?
https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-draft-picks-2023-full-list-trades-moves-nfl
they have a 2nd and 4th next year. JD should be able to mindfuck the Panthers out of their 2nd rounder, but, conventional wisdom tells me the 4th rounder is more plausible.
Post by: reuben on August 26, 2022, 12:49:08 PM
https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-draft-picks-2023-full-list-trades-moves-nfl
they have a 2nd and 4th next year. JD should be able to mindfuck the Panthers out of their 2nd rounder, but, conventional wisdom tells me the 4th rounder is more plausible.
Bud they've got a first next year. Do you even Douglas?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2022, 12:49:58 PM
Bud they've got a first next year. Do you even Douglas?
lol
I see you chose to fly very close to the sun. I admire that.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 01:50:31 PM
lol
I see you chose to fly very close to the sun. I admire that.
If they trade away a first for Mims I'm assuming Rhule will be fired on the spot.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2022, 02:04:10 PM
If they trade away a first for Mims I'm assuming Rhule will be fired on the spot.
As it turns out, trading a 2nd and a 4th for what turned out to be a backup QB should've cost someone their job.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 06:25:05 PM
As it turns out, trading a 2nd and a 4th for what turned out to be a backup QB should've cost someone their job.
Sorry, when I said "fired" I meant "out of an artillery piece." My bad.
Post by: delavan on August 26, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Sorry, when I said "fired" I meant "out of an artillery piece." My bad.
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Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2022, 08:49:28 PM
Plus sources say Darnold has familiarity with Saleh from their zoom call 2 years ago
Post by: Libero_2 on August 27, 2022, 04:17:18 AM
I wonder if Carolina would give up Darnold for Mims, especially with this ominous injury to Zach.
Plus sources say Darnold has familiarity with Saleh from their zoom call 2 years ago
Nobody wants Sam, he’s of no value to us.
Also he just fucked his leg up against the bills.
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2022, 07:32:41 AM
I wonder if Carolina would give up Darnold for Mims, especially with this ominous injury to Zach.Carolina’s strapped for QBs right now. Sam at the very least has a bad high ankle sprain and rookie Matt Corral has a torn ligament in his foot. Instead of needlessly dealing for a dinged up Sam, Joe Douglas should dangle Mike White and a tape of last year’s Jets-Bengals game in front of Matt Rhule.
Plus sources say Darnold has familiarity with Saleh from their zoom call 2 years ago
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2022, 08:43:46 AM
no matter where he goes his dumb derriere will not make it in this league
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2022, 04:00:13 PM
Carolina’s strapped for QBs right now. Sam at the very least has a bad high ankle sprain and rookie Matt Corral has a torn ligament in his foot. Instead of needlessly dealing for a dinged up Sam, Joe Douglas should dangle Mike White and a tape of last year’s Jets-Bengals game in front of Matt Rhule.White and Mims for a 2nd rounder, do it Tanny
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2022, 12:55:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2022, 11:47:16 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 31, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 31, 2022, 07:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1565113499235356673
Seems like a reasonable response
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2022, 07:43:43 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 31, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
Trade him for Dortch
Who dat?
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2022, 05:37:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1565113499235356673I'm totally fine with this. Stick to the price and keep him around in case we need him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 01, 2022, 06:26:07 PM
I'm totally fine with this. Stick to the price and keep him around in case we need him.Jalen Reagor went for a 2023 7th and a 2024 conditional 4th or 5th. I think something like that was fair. Reagor was drafted higher, but I didn't think there was a big difference between the two as prospects.
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 04:33:31 PM
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 04:33:59 PM
Stick to the price and keep him around in case we need him.
lol, lmao
Post by: reuben on October 21, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
Afternoon gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall nut in no eyes, buy no Camaros, pee in no end zones. I shall wear no Pepsi Rookie of the Week Belts and win no glory. I shall live and die running the post route. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the warmer of the bench. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that fills the stadium, the horn that signals first downs, the guy that pulls Saleh back to the sideline. I pledge my life and honor to the Mims Watch, for this Sunday and all the Sundays to come.
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Post by: d sw0rdz on October 21, 2022, 06:27:10 PM
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 08:43:23 PM
i'd love for a mims turn just as much as everybody else and i'd love to be proven wrong but let's be real, homie is derriereGulag
Post by: Coach K on October 23, 2022, 05:10:17 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 23, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
Afternoon gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall nut in no eyes, buy no Camaros, pee in no end zones. I shall wear no Pepsi Rookie of the Week Belts and win no glory. I shall live and die running the post route. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the warmer of the bench. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that fills the stadium, the horn that signals first downs, the guy that pulls Saleh back to the sideline. I pledge my life and honor to the Mims Watch, for this Sunday and all the Sundays to come.
LFG
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2022, 07:19:35 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1584337373361451008?t=9RNyQSa1X3ILNmKEs6Vthw&s=19
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2022, 07:21:21 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2022, 08:12:14 PM
Post by: delavan on November 02, 2022, 09:28:03 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2022, 09:29:41 PM
Post by: delavan on November 04, 2022, 02:17:12 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 04, 2022, 03:36:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1588541173886382081
Something switched 3 weeks ago? You mean when the guy was told he was gonna play he suddenly started working harder? Weird
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2022, 03:46:08 PM
Something switched 3 weeks ago? You mean when the guy was told he was gonna play he suddenly started working harder? Weird
TBF there hasn't been any suggestion that he hasn't been working hard, only that for whatever reason he wasn't part of the staff's gameday plans.
Post by: delavan on November 04, 2022, 04:01:59 PM
Something switched 3 weeks ago? You mean when the guy was told he was gonna play he suddenly started working harder? WeirdOr maybe after the other guy wasn't getting targeted enough and started lollygagging on his routes (see zach's left sideline int in Pitt)
As for Salah, I dunno; slow news day maybe?
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2022, 02:55:08 PM
Post by: steves850 on November 06, 2022, 02:55:24 PM
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Post by: reuben on November 06, 2022, 03:39:30 PM
Blocked his butt off on some of those runs
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 06, 2022, 04:01:22 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2022, 04:11:16 PM
It still needs to be said, the freaking confidence we had to go to Mims on the biggest play of the game (before the Huff sack) blows my freaking mindMims looked good in camp this year, and the coaches talked about him turning a corner. He's a lot more of a catch-in-traffic guy than the other guys we have with Davis out. Throwing to him in that spot definitely shows that it's not just words.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2022, 04:18:42 PM
He blocked a defensive back out of play with one arm on one of Carter's long runs
It's going to be badass when we have Davis and Mims outside
(freak Elijah Moore)
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2022, 04:23:04 PM
I don't think he's a great receiver but he's playing his derriere off for us right now and I respect that a lotI wonder if Davis and Mims outside with Wilson inside is better for us this season. Mims' blocking really helps, and if we have him AND Davis in there, we have 2 great blocking receivers, plus a playmaker in Wilson.
He blocked a defensive back out of play with one arm on one of Carter's long runs
It's going to be badass when we have Davis and Mims outside
(freak Elijah Moore)
Post by: Libero_2 on November 06, 2022, 04:34:40 PM
I don't think he's a great receiver but he's playing his derriere off for us right now and I respect that a lot
He blocked a defensive back out of play with one arm on one of Carter's long runs
It's going to be badass when we have Davis and Mims outside
(freak Elijah Moore)
I’m not sure how many targets Mims had today, but he was super close on a number of special plays. The deep ball early he fully extended and just couldn’t. There was a ball over the middle that would have been a full extension grab. The high pass he went up for and got hit and couldn’t hold on. He and Zach have been so close and you have to think they will connect on something soon.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 06, 2022, 05:17:14 PM
It's nice to see him contributing.
Post by: Johnny English on November 06, 2022, 06:17:37 PM
IDK how the zebras didn't throw a flag on his last catch. Dude got hit in the head by the second tackler.
It's nice to see him contributing.
Don't think he did, he pulled a limbo move and the tackler went over the top of him. I don't think there was any contact.
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2022, 06:22:42 PM
Don't think he did, he pulled a limbo move and the tackler went over the top of him. I don't think there was any contact.Correct, Mims dodged it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2022, 09:08:11 PM
I don't think he's a great receiver but he's playing his derriere off for us right now and I respect that a lot
He blocked a defensive back out of play with one arm on one of Carter's long runs
It's going to be badass when we have Davis and Mims outside
(freak Elijah Moore)
Elijah Moore shouldn’t be on the outside, anyway.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 06, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
Post by: reuben on June 20, 2023, 05:48:15 PM
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The Athletic's Zack Rosenblatt writes Denzel Mims "faces an uphill climb to making the team."
Not that this wasn't spelled out via New York's offseason moves, as they didn't get rid of Corey Davis and also brought in Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb, but Mims could be a trade candidate as we head into camp and/or last cuts. He did practice some at OTAs, but also missed the latter half for "unknown reasons." Mims, entering the final year of his rookie contract, has a 42/676/0 career line in three seasons.
Bad fish again?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 20, 2023, 07:01:38 PM
Bad fish again?
Hackett asked him to learn three plays and it gave him chronic migraines
Post by: delavan on June 21, 2023, 08:53:07 PM
Hackett asked him to learn three plays and it gave him chronic migraines
”Denzel!…to the right!…run to the RIGHT!!””
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Statue_of_Liberty_play_diagram.jpg/276px-Statue_of_Liberty_play_diagram.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/The_Thinker%2C_Auguste_Rodin.jpg/161px-The_Thinker%2C_Auguste_Rodin.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 19, 2023, 11:13:59 AM
Our Mims watch is ending.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 19, 2023, 11:31:26 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 19, 2023, 12:01:04 PM
2020 Denzel Mims
2015 Devin Smith
2012 Stephen Hill
Can't believe Mims outlasted Moore.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 19, 2023, 12:50:29 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 19, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 19, 2023, 01:22:35 PM
Why is this making news today? That’s just a weird time for us to have come to this conclusion
First day of camp. Didn't want to cut him before the draft / FA in case they needed him, then he'll have been off somewhere else in the world for the summer. I'm sure they told him it was coming but they probably need to bring a player in to formally waive him, and this would have been the first chance they had.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 19, 2023, 07:28:31 PM
Post by: Badger on July 19, 2023, 08:08:46 PM
I wonder if he showed up and requested a trade againSaw salmon on the menu and said I'm out.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 19, 2023, 08:44:03 PM
Post by: casman02 on July 19, 2023, 08:47:41 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 19, 2023, 09:08:39 PM
Post by: casman02 on July 19, 2023, 09:10:01 PM
Mims and a 7th for Detroit’s 6th rounderMight need to be Mims and a 6th for Detroit's 7th.
Post by: reuben on July 19, 2023, 09:19:36 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 19, 2023, 09:29:41 PM
Interesting how the Jets are setting a precedent by sending malcontent wideouts to the browns and lions
Post by: Johnny English on July 19, 2023, 09:46:01 PM
Apparently the 6th is conditional
Interesting how the Jets are setting a precedent by sending malcontent wideouts to the browns and lions
Both picks are conditional, the condition presumably being that if he doesn't make it out of Detroit's camp then no one sends anyone anything.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 19, 2023, 10:01:05 PM
Both picks are conditional, the condition presumably being that if he doesn't make it out of Detroit's camp then no one sends anyone anything.
Dude must be quite the catch if he's not even worth a non conditional swap of a 6th and 7th
Post by: Heismanberg on July 19, 2023, 10:12:50 PM
Dude must be quite the catch if he's not even worth a non conditional swap of a 6th and 7th
Have you not watched this team the past few seasons?
Mims is terrible
Post by: Libero_2 on July 19, 2023, 10:24:01 PM
Let’s get camp started and see what this team actually is capable of becoming this season
Post by: dcm1602 on July 19, 2023, 11:12:52 PM
Have you not watched this team the past few seasons?
Mims is terrible
Were talking bout a 6th for a 7th swap of a 2nd rounder on a rookie contract
Post by: MBGreen on July 20, 2023, 07:19:06 AM
Were talking bout a 6th for a 7th swap of a 2nd rounder on a rookie contract
So?
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 22, 2023, 04:44:18 AM
Were talking bout a 6th for a 7th swap of a 2nd rounder on a rookie contract
he is a horrible player
Post by: delavan on July 22, 2023, 08:54:05 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Pimm%27s_glas.JPG/180px-Pimm%27s_glas.JPG)
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2023, 08:34:16 AM
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Jeff Risdon
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Campbell says of Denzel Mims, "he's in the room" blankly. "Wish I could give you more."
Said this immediately after talking about potentially needing to add a WR. Hard to not read between those lines...
lol
Post by: delavan on August 17, 2023, 08:06:29 PM
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Jeff Risdon
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Replying to @JeffRisdon
Campbell says of Denzel Mims, "he's in the room" blankly. "Wish I could give you more."
Said this immediately after talking about potentially needing to add a WR. Hard to not read between those lines...
lol
Trading a guy for a lowly conditional 6th round pick and then having to 'sweeten' the deal by throwing in a 7th rounder as well kinda says it all
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Denzel_Mims_%287503594%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/216px-Denzel_Mims_%287503594%29_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2023, 08:54:24 AM
Do we get our 7th rounder back?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2023, 08:57:24 AM
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2023, 10:28:36 AM
WelpYes. Because the trade was conditional on Mims making the Lions' 53-man roster, the Lions will get back their 2025 sixth-round pick while a 2025 seventh-round pick will return to New York
Do we get our 7th rounder back?
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 18, 2023, 08:05:15 PM
was obvious this loser didn't have what it took to make it at the top level
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2023, 01:01:14 PM
Post by: reuben on October 03, 2023, 01:03:17 PM
He's a Steeler
Steeler-Jets wide receiver thruway is the new Redskins-Jets wide receiver thruway.