Post by: Heismanberg on April 17, 2020, 07:48:16 AM
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First signs of a potential holdout
Post by: Libero_2 on April 17, 2020, 07:58:37 AM
His deal is a priority, but never was going to be top priority until after the draft.
JD has also positioned us nicely to be able to frontload the shot out of a new deal for him IF the draft goes the way we want it to. If we get an interior OL we can put Winters our to pasture along with potentially Avery Williamson freeing up nearly $13 million in space which we could promptly hand directly to Adams in year 1 of a reworked deal.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 17, 2020, 08:36:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 17, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 17, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 17, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 17, 2020, 09:58:27 AM
Meh
Post by: bojanglesman on April 17, 2020, 10:51:09 AM
Schefter is really humpin' a possible Jamal Adams trade. I still don't see it happening.I think JE said it, they have to get through the draft to see what they have and where. If they have a lot of cap space after the draft/cuts/further free agents they could easily swoop in with a monster deal in very little time. Or if cash isn't plentiful they could backload a deal or put it off another year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 17, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Barring a trade (which i don't see happening), I'm confident Prez will get his long term deal with us, hopefully before any sort of holdout is exercised. Joe Douglas isn't stupid.
Agreed.
Schefter is really humpin' a possible Jamal Adams trade. I still don't see it happening.
Possible Schefter is dcm?
Post by: reuben on April 17, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 17, 2020, 11:03:43 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 17, 2020, 11:41:30 AM
Rofl
.wake me up on draft day
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 17, 2020, 03:23:31 PM
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Post by: Pope on April 17, 2020, 03:49:24 PM
Post by: insanity on April 18, 2020, 05:39:17 AM
How do I sign up to get paid to write terrible sports articles?
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 18, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: insanity on April 18, 2020, 03:07:53 PM
Bless him
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 18, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
https://thevikingage.com/2020/04/17/should-minnesota-vikings-attempt-trade-jamal-adams/amp/2/I believe at Fansided, you get paid based on page views, like $1 per 1,000 page views.
How do I sign up to get paid to write terrible sports articles?
So you guys sharing these links of terrible articles are getting these guys paid a few extra pennies.
I used to write for Bleacher Report for free, back when anyone could sign up and start writing for them.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 18, 2020, 11:24:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BlessuanAustin/status/1251127839245680640
Bless him
Linked that exact thing last page.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 20, 2020, 08:06:22 AM
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Peter King thinks Adams wants out
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1252212560587378688
Post by: Libero_2 on April 20, 2020, 08:18:46 AM
Thank god King doesn’t know excrement.
Once Adams is offered a pile of money he will be just fine
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2020, 08:44:46 AM
Thank god King doesn’t know excrement.
Once Adams is offered a pile of money he will be just fine
By all accounts that probably won't be anytime soon
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 08:44:56 AM
Jamal wants to win and be paid fairly. What an poopchute.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 08:45:41 AM
“I think I get the sense”
Shut the freak up, clown
Post by: Heismanberg on April 20, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 20, 2020, 06:44:36 PM
Let's hope we can either find a way to pay him, or we win some games this season so he wants to stay.
Post by: Pope on April 20, 2020, 06:52:09 PM
For me where there is smoke there is usually fire. He’s been vocal about trades and disrespect from the front office for a little while now, I fear these issues will start to accumulate even further
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 11:00:54 PM
Why the freak are we worrying about squeezing out an extra year of control for one of the only players worth giving a damn about for this franchise?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2020, 12:12:20 AM
Post by: reuben on April 21, 2020, 12:31:42 AM
Douglas should back up the truck for Jamal after the draft
I'd imagine that's the plan. See what you get in draft, sign a mid-tier free agent at whatever position you didn't address, pay Prez.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 21, 2020, 08:21:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 21, 2020, 08:22:55 AM
Don't want to trade Jamal, but it is fun thinking about what we could have with the extra high draft picks.
A new safety?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 21, 2020, 08:23:11 AM
A new safety?Two, just to be sure. Or Return of Rontez.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 21, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2020, 09:53:17 AM
Now the first round is out of the way hopefully all this garbage about Adams being on the block can freak the freak off.
THAT PART
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 24, 2020, 01:18:30 PM
Pay Jamal Adams = instant folk hero status.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2020, 03:50:57 PM
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As expected, the Jets exercised Jamal Adams' fifth-year option, GM Joe Douglas said on The Michael Kay Show (ESPN NY 98.7). "Of course we were going to do that — and excited to do it," he said. The option extends Adams' rookie contract to 2021. His salary in ‘21 will be $9.9M. It's guaranteed for injury only; it becomes fully guaranteed next March. Next step: Work on an extension. Douglas: "We will at some point get together with his (agents) once we tie up everything on our end from the draft."
Cimini
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
Post by: Pope on May 21, 2020, 07:19:45 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 21, 2020, 07:53:13 PM
He won't get a deal this year, he'll whine and moan and still play for the Jets. The end.
This right here.
Post by: insanity on May 21, 2020, 08:21:36 PM
Hes got 2 full years on his contract. Simmer the freak down
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2020, 10:13:38 PM
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2020, 10:32:08 PM
What could they possibly want to wait and see about?The Johnsons are tightening their wallet in fear of future Biden's progressive tax hikes on the wea-hahahahaha yeah right
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2020, 10:57:50 PM
Post by: Pope on May 22, 2020, 07:22:41 AM
The only thing I can think of is “maybe he’ll get injured so we can pay him less.” Seriously we extended Ryan Griffin already. Right now Jamal is the only one on the team that deserves a new, better contract.Could be that Joe Douglas wants to set a precedent with the team regarding early contract talks. Everyone wants Jamal here but the team still has two-three more years of control. He was the 6th overall pick, not a UDFA, he’ll be fine.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 22, 2020, 09:42:28 AM
Perhaps JD is taking his time here when he’s clearly got 50 million things to worry about
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2020, 05:45:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 05:49:53 PM
Not gonna hang my hat on Gary freaking Myers.
Post by: MBGreen on May 22, 2020, 06:37:55 PM
Having said that, I think Jamal eventually re-signs here anyway.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Joe Douglas should be coughed on for anything less than 2 first round picks for Jamal.The only leverage Jamal has is to be a complete asshat distraction to the point the Jets just bail. He likes football too much to risk sitting out. I can't blame him and his agent for trying to push all the buttons they can, but Big Doug knows he has a Royal Flush in this game.
Having said that, I think Jamal eventually re-signs here anyway.
Post by: klaximilian on May 22, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
https://twitter.com/garymyersny/status/1263892442660646912?s=21
Naaaaaahhh....
If there is any legitimacy to this, the starting point should be CeeDee Lamb and next year's 1st.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2020, 07:17:45 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 22, 2020, 07:24:38 PM
@fishsports: The #jets want a 1 and a 3 in trade. @michaelirvin88 reported it via @1053thefan ... We've confirmed that's the range. And we've confirmed some NY execs are pissed that it's leaked. TRUE.
TRUE.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 07:31:27 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2020, 08:09:40 PM
Incarceratedbob confirm yet?
IB might be more credible than Michael Irvin
Post by: Pope on May 23, 2020, 07:50:36 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 23, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
Michael Irvin’s source is his coke
Fyp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2020, 02:35:38 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 23, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
https://twitter.com/charlesrobinson/status/1264007777120391168?s=21
A 1st and a 3rd is peanuts for a guy of Adams caliber.
But, I've been a Jets fan way too long and just prepare for the worst. So do I see the Jets extending Adams, and keeping one of the best draft picks in recent years? No...no I don't
Post by: Pope on May 23, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 23, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
Post by: Jumbo on May 24, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
At least the takes about not paying him over a certain threshold make logical sense.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 24, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 24, 2020, 07:08:54 PM
Post by: reuben on May 24, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
i think people in the media are pushing stories about a possible jamal adams trade because they're bored and because of the times we're in where nothing else is happening
90% of all sports controversies are created by the sports media. The other 10% is Antonio Brown.
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 08:47:18 PM
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Rapoport didn't rule out the Cowboys making a run at Adams in the summer, after the July 15 deadline to extend Prescott. Of course, the Jets might extend their 24-year-old star DB before then. Rapoport noted reports of an impasse between the two sides are inaccurate. A route to renegotiation still exists.
"They just haven't really gotten anywhere yet," Rapoport said.
Emphasis mine.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 28, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
90% of all sports controversies are created by the sports media. The other 10% is Antonio Brown.
LOL he's the new TO.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 12, 2020, 02:36:30 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 02:37:51 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1271526362352955393?s=20
Damn, he's a whiny little bitch. It sucks that he's such a great player.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 12, 2020, 03:10:18 PM
Darrelle Revis was a pain in the derriere during his holdout, but Jamal Adams is acting like a baby boy bitch on social media.
Mal is 100% worse. Revis was a pain in the derriere mostly because we were a championship caliber team at the time and obviously needed him coming off of the incredible 2009 year. Mal is valuable but not as much as Revis 2009, and the team is way worse, yet Mal is the one who is way more vocally complaining.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
Mal is 100% worse. Revis was a pain in the derriere mostly because we were a championship caliber team at the time and obviously needed him coming off of the incredible 2009 year. Mal is valuable but not as much as Revis 2009, and the team is way worse, yet Mal is the one who is way more vocally complaining.
Darrelle Revis was also the clearcut best player at his position and corner is way more valuable than safety.
For all the talk of Adam's leadership abilities, he's showing his derriere with this one.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Damn, he's a whiny little bitch. It sucks that he's such a great player.He is annoying. I understand though, he has very little leverage, which is basically just being a pain in the derriere until the Jets cave. He's just playing his cards. Probably won't work, but probably worth trying from his standpoint.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
He is annoying. I understand though, he has very little leverage, which is basically just being a pain in the derriere until the Jets cave. He's just playing his cards. Probably won't work, but probably worth trying from his standpoint.
I don't understand it at all.
He is handling this completely wrong. He should know better too. His dad played in the league. It's not like he's playing for peanuts like Robby Anderson was.
He's on his way to a $10M fifth year option.
Bad teams overspend on players. I want to keep him here forever because he's an awesome player, but not at an absurd cost. That money can be used to help Sam Darnold right now.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 03:33:29 PM
I don't understand it at all.
He is handling this completely wrong. He should know better too. His dad played in the league. It's not like he's playing for peanuts like Robby Anderson was.
He's on his way to a $10M fifth year option.
Bad teams overspend on players. I want to keep him here forever because he's an awesome player, but not at an absurd cost. That money can be used to help Sam Darnold right now.
I understand why he won't get paid this year now matter how much he bitches. It's the uncertainty of the cap # next year with Covid. Same reason why there are so many talented vets still available. No team wants to pony up money with so much uncertainty.
I wouldn't bitch like he is, but I'm not him. Now if what he says is true and they promised him a proposal in January, then that's on the team. They shouldn't have promised him any offer if they aren't going to sign him anyway. Joe D will just let this fizzle out and deal with it next year. Who knows if it's true anyway, Jamal knows the Jets aren't going to get in a pissing match online so he can say whatever he wants.
Post by: insanity on June 12, 2020, 03:35:23 PM
Yay or nay
Post by: Jumbo on June 12, 2020, 03:41:41 PM
Cowboys first and Lamb for Adams
Yay or nay
They would never do that but also yes
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 12, 2020, 03:53:02 PM
I don't understand it at all.His dad played in the league, so he probably knows how the league works, but that also could mean he knows that this is a business and to get your money when you can. That's what Sean Gilbert taught Revis. Maybe if Instagram were around then, Revis would have been more angry online, too. He seemed to just let Geiger do his talking for him IIRC.
He is handling this completely wrong. He should know better too. His dad played in the league. It's not like he's playing for peanuts like Robby Anderson was.
He's on his way to a $10M fifth year option.
Bad teams overspend on players. I want to keep him here forever because he's an awesome player, but not at an absurd cost. That money can be used to help Sam Darnold right now.
I just really hope the Jets don't screw this up. It's hard to know what side to be angry at. It's not a good look for Jamal to be whining on social media. It's not a good look for Joe Douglas if he's having issues with the team's best player.
The Jets have leverage in that they control Jamal's rights for a reasonable salary, but if Jamal wants to hold out and make this a big issue, he has leverage that way.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 12, 2020, 03:54:20 PM
Cowboys first and Lamb for AdamsMan. I always said I wanted two 1st-round picks at the minimum if we traded Adams.
Yay or nay
I've never said yes to a trade, but I have a bad feeling where this is going, so I'll give a tentative Yay.
Cowboys would not do it though.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
Post by: reuben on June 12, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 12, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
Cowboys first and Lamb for Adams2 firsts instead of Lamb and a first....and I’ll drive him to the airport myself
Yay or nay
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 04:51:01 PM
I'm not willing to consider this question because I'm not yet ready to process the idea of our best player once again leaving in or before his prime to go and be a star somewhere else.Yeah, same here. This will blow over like one of MB's farts at a landfill
Post by: MBGreen on June 12, 2020, 05:38:14 PM
Yeah, same here. This will blow over like one of MB's farts at a landfillMy landfill farts are forever.
Post by: MBGreen on June 12, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
I'm not willing to consider this question because I'm not yet ready to process the idea of our best player once again leaving in or before his prime to go and be a star somewhere else.I’d be more concerned if he played a premium position.
I want to keep him, but H is correct...his approach is of the baby back bitch variety.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Easiest way to make this go away is for Joe Douglas to give him his second contract. He's far and away the best player we've had at that position in a long time.
Post by: MBGreen on June 12, 2020, 08:07:56 PM
It's not my money. I don't give a excrement about how he gets it and I'm not going to sit in judgement of him for how he chooses to do it short of him kidnapping someone.He has 2 years left on his rookie deal....
Easiest way to make this go away is for Joe Douglas to give him his second contract. He's far and away the best player we've had at that position in a long time.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 12, 2020, 08:45:15 PM
Adams is a big time star in the league, and a stellar locker room guy. I don't give a freak about his 'twitter game.' We need to pay the guy, and it's basically that simple. If his demands are sane he needs to be a Jet. If he wants to reset the market at S by 20% or something, that is a very different thing that needs to be discussed/handled. But until we hear that is his demands, I expect Douglas to pay him. It might not be as quickly as Adams wants, but I fully expect it will happen.
Post by: Ornstein on June 12, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 09:49:21 PM
He has 2 years left on his rookie deal....
Why should I give a excrement about that as a fan?
Just pay the dude.
Post by: insanity on June 12, 2020, 10:31:02 PM
Why should I give a excrement about that as a fan?Because salary cap
Just pay the dude.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 10:35:31 PM
He has 2 years left on his rookie deal....I just checked with my epidemiologist buddy and he said giving Prez a new contract ASAP is the only way to prevent a second covid wave.
It's science, man.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 10:58:14 PM
I just checked with my epidemiologist buddy and he said giving Prez a new contract ASAP is the only way to prevent a second covid wave.
It's science, man.
Lmao
Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2020, 11:01:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 12:13:57 AM
I just checked with my epidemiologist buddy and he said giving Prez a new contract ASAP is the only way to prevent a second covid wave.That hot taek is about 29 degrees Celsius
It's science, man.
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 12:15:02 AM
Why should I give a excrement about that as a fan?He’ll get paid when the time is right.
Just pay the dude.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 13, 2020, 01:33:24 AM
If Jamal wants to get paid tell him to go play cornerIf Ashtyn Davis is the real deal, Adams might be playing more linebacker this year.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 13, 2020, 02:40:58 AM
If Ashtyn Davis is the real deal, Adams might be playing more linebacker this year.
A 3rd round rookie probably isn't playing at an All-Pro level his rookie year
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 07:41:35 AM
Because salary cap
Which we are well under.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2020, 07:46:53 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 07:54:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 09:31:19 AM
Which we are well under.
Not to steal dcm's thunder, but the cap number this year isn't what anyone cares about. Teams are very concerned that it will drop a ton next year because of decreased revenue from COVID. The salary cap is based on expected revenue. Teams stuck with big contracts that spent down to the cap limit this year will be fucked next year if that happens. Teams that left a little space this year to roll over to next year will still be fucked, but not royally. I think the Jets would be smart to wait until next year with the downside of having to overpay more for him then along with more cap certainty. It isn't about being cheap.
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Teams are very concerned that it will drop a ton next year because of decreased revenue from COVID. The salary cap is based on expected revenue. Teams stuck with big contracts that spent down to the cap limit this year will be fucked next year if that happens.
Really? Why? They're potentially going to lose two sources of revenue, neither of which is irrelevant, but neither of which is game changing:
- Game day revenue (tickets and concessions)
- Other stadium activity (primarily concerts)
Broadcast revenue will be unaffected - if fans can't go to games then even more of them will be watching on TV, so broadcasters aren't pulling out of the contracts. Merchandising might be slightly impacted by the high street retail shutdown but my guess is that the majority of merchandising sales are done online already anyway.
I'm not hugely sympathetic to the idea of any NFL teams crying poor. I think there will be fans in the stadiums by September anyway.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 13, 2020, 09:48:56 AM
I'm not hugely sympathetic to the idea of any NFL teams crying poor. I think there will be fans in the stadiums by September anyway.
You are going to be very fun when the second wave hits and is peaking in September
Post by: dcm1602 on June 13, 2020, 09:52:37 AM
Not to steal dcm's thunder, but the cap number this year isn't what anyone cares about. Teams are very concerned that it will drop a ton next year because of decreased revenue from COVID. The salary cap is based on expected revenue. Teams stuck with big contracts that spent down to the cap limit this year will be fucked next year if that happens. Teams that left a little space this year to roll over to next year will still be fucked, but not royally. I think the Jets would be smart to wait until next year with the downside of having to overpay more for him then along with more cap certainty. It isn't about being cheap.
I don't think next year's cap has a ton to do with the Jamal contract situation, especially since we haven't done anything prior to covid being a big deal anyway.
The reality is we have Jamal under team control for 3 years, and there's little reason to give him a contract. This team literally has 100% of the leverage and Jamal almost certainly wants an eye popping contract.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
You are going to be very fun when the second wave hits and is peaking in September
IS will be in the stands with his ventilator owning the sheeple.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 10:12:40 AM
Really? Why? They're potentially going to lose two sources of revenue, neither of which is irrelevant, but neither of which is game changing:https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/
- Game day revenue (tickets and concessions)
- Other stadium activity (primarily concerts)
Broadcast revenue will be unaffected - if fans can't go to games then even more of them will be watching on TV, so broadcasters aren't pulling out of the contracts. Merchandising might be slightly impacted by the high street retail shutdown but my guess is that the majority of merchandising sales are done online already anyway.
I'm not hugely sympathetic to the idea of any NFL teams crying poor. I think there will be fans in the stadiums by September anyway.
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The NFL would lose $5.5 billion of stadium revenue (the sum of tickets, concessions, sponsors, parking and team stores)—or 38% of its total revenue—based on figures for the 2018 season
This is if the whole season is played without fans. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it is very much possible. Obviously there is a lot up in the air (no pun intended). The point here is that teams can't afford to bank on fans being in the stadiums all year. You have to have a plan for worse than expected scenarios. Losing potentially 1/3 of team revenue league-wide is very significant. I do think the league would allow some grace with the cap because there would be some teams that would be fucked if it went down in that proportion. But it would certainly go down and teams would be smart to prepare.
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2020, 10:14:35 AM
You are going to be very fun when the second wave hits and is peaking in September
It's three months away. Three months ago no one was in lockdown, three months is a very long time. You can project your fears of the apocalypse into the distant future all you like but the fact is that everything right now is opening up again (granted some in a more ill advised fashion than others) and they're not locking down again. You've already seen what happened a short while into the first one, people will simply refuse to do a second one. People are simply prepared to take the risk and if it kills some people that aren't them, so be it - welcome to the me first society that we have built and perpetuated.
Anyway, that's not the point. Even in some hypothetical scenario in which everyone agrees to stay home and watch football on the TV, my point is that I don't believe the loss of gameday revenue will impact NFL teams especially.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 13, 2020, 10:21:53 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 10:35:06 AM
It's three months away. Three months ago no one was in lockdown, three months is a very long time. You can project your fears of the apocalypse into the distant future all you like but the fact is that everything right now is opening up again (granted some in a more ill advised fashion than others) and they're not locking down again. You've already seen what happened a short while into the first one, people will simply refuse to do a second one. People are simply prepared to take the risk and if it kills some people that aren't them, so be it - welcome to the me first society that we have built and perpetuated.People will listen if there’s another lockdown. Or they’ll be punished with fines or jail time. I know you don’t want to believe that...but that’s how the world works (with the US being the exception)
Anyway, that's not the point. Even in some hypothetical scenario in which everyone agrees to stay home and watch football on the TV, my point is that I don't believe the loss of gameday revenue will impact NFL teams especially.
Post by: insanity on June 13, 2020, 10:41:15 AM
Which we are well under.Are you familiar with the concept of opportunity cost
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 10:47:27 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 13, 2020, 10:58:58 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/
This is if the whole season is played without fans. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it is very much possible. Obviously there is a lot up in the air (no pun intended). The point here is that teams can't afford to bank on fans being in the stadiums all year. You have to have a plan for worse than expected scenarios. Losing potentially 1/3 of team revenue league-wide is very significant. I do think the league would allow some grace with the cap because there would be some teams that would be fucked if it went down in that proportion. But it would certainly go down and teams would be smart to prepare.
While in sure this data is true. How much will viewership increase? Sure there's an unknown of the impact of a highly polifitical nfl putting off some viewers depending on which direction excrement goes the next few months and an election making everything drastically more polarizing and contentious. But at the same time people will be bored out of their freaking minds and there will have been a tremendous ongoing sport hiatus. Plus a ton of TV shows are getting postponed or delayed for their fall lineups, so TV competition could be the weakest ever.
Not to mention there's surely an extremely high probability that college football gets canceled. And if that's the case not only has the nfl explored the possibility of having games all weekend long, but viewership should be at record levels.
If there's no NBA MLB hockey or whatever the freak else even more people could get shuttled towards NFL.
I'm not saying it's very likely to happen, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable that the nfl could actually have all time record high revenues. Especially if the competition falters as much as it could
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
People will listen if there’s another lockdown. Or they’ll be punished with fines or jail time. I know you don’t want to believe that...but that’s how the world works (with the US being the exception)
.... you do know which country the NFL plays in, right?
Post by: insanity on June 13, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
While in sure this data is true. How much will viewership increase? Sure there's an unknown of the impact of a highly polifitical nfl putting off some viewers depending on which direction excrement goes the next few months and an election making everything drastically more polarizing and contentious. But at the same time people will be bored out of their freaking minds and there will have been a tremendous ongoing sport hiatus. Plus a ton of TV shows are getting postponed or delayed for their fall lineups, so TV competition could be the weakest ever.Increase in viewership does not equate to an increase in advertising revenue. Not on television anyway.
Not to mention there's surely an extremely high probability that college football gets canceled. And if that's the case not only has the nfl explored the possibility of having games all weekend long, but viewership should be at record levels.
If there's no NBA MLB hockey or whatever the freak else even more people could get shuttled towards NFL.
I'm not saying it's very likely to happen, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable that the nfl could actually have all time record high revenues. Especially if the competition falters as much as it could
They could make more money from gamepads though, but I'm sure that's a very small portion of their revenue.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 13, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
A 3rd round rookie probably isn't playing at an All-Pro level his rookie yearThank you for your insight.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 04:56:33 PM
Are you familiar with the concept of opportunity cost
He’s the best player in the league at his position and he makes a noticeable difference on the field. If you give me an actual player he will cost us I’ll listen. Until then I really don’t feel like dealing in hypotheticals. The world as it is is vexing enough.
If the Jets told him they were going to send him a contract offer or negotiate with him and are now ghosting him, he has a right to be pissed.
Here’s the argument that I’d be willing to entertain. The problems that Jamal has had with this team:
-JD: We’re not going to trade you, Jamal.
-Cowboys: We want Jamal Adams.
-JD: How much?
-Jamal: I want a new contract.
-JD: We’ll talk about it.
-Jamal: When?
-JD: *crickets*
Back to my original point:
Who gives a flying freak about how Jamal expresses his displeasure with the team over his contract?
He hasn’t demanded to be traded. He hasn’t said he’ll sit out training camp or the season. He said he won’t do skype workouts. Holy. excrement. The. Worst.
Why should I, as a fan, care about what he posts on IG regarding his contract?
Post by: insanity on June 13, 2020, 06:31:49 PM
He’s the best player in the league at his position and he makes a noticeable difference on the field. If you give me an actual player he will cost us I’ll listen. Until then I really don’t feel like dealing in hypotheticals. The world as it is is vexing enough.
Demaryius thomas
Vinny curry
Logan ryan
If we pay jamal an extra $10M maybe we get one of those players. I understand jamal is much better than those players combined but there is literally no reason to pay him right now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2020, 06:39:31 PM
Demaryius thomas
Vinny curry
Logan ryan
If we pay jamal an extra $10M maybe we get one of those players. I understand jamal is much better than those players combined but there is literally no reason to pay him right now.
Literally freak all of those players besides Jamal
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
Demaryius thomas
Vinny curry
Logan ryan
If we pay jamal an extra $10M maybe we get one of those players. I understand jamal is much better than those players combined but there is literally no reason to pay him right now.
Replaceable, easily
Nothing special
Highest TD allowed by a nickel
Not a single one of them is worth more to this team than Jamal. We also haven't been in financial straights yet we still haven't signed any of them. Nor has any of the other 31 teams. Try again.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
Post by: insanity on June 13, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
Replaceable, easilyBut that's not the comparison.
Nothing special
Highest TD allowed by a nickel
Not a single one of them is worth more to this team than Jamal. We also haven't been in financial straights yet we still haven't signed any of them. Nor has any of the other 31 teams. Try again.
Jamal is under contract for two more years. And we have control of him for a 3rd.
Why am I willingly going to pay more for him when I dont need to?
Why wouldn't I spend that money on positions I need?
Why would i set a precedent that contracts mean excrement with my players?
I'm sorry, but there is literally no reason to pay him more money this year. You want to argue for next year in all for it, but this year he plays on his contract.
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Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 08:43:31 PM
Paaaancakes...
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 13, 2020, 08:46:50 PM
Jamal is under contract for two more years. And we have control of him for a 3rd.
Why am I willingly going to pay more for him when I dont need to?
Because otherwise, he will likely hold out. And because in theory, this would be a great time to sign Jamal because we might not have to pay quite as much as we would in a year or two. If he wants to talk extension, fine, we have the leverage at this point.
If we can't get a contract done because Jamal and his representatives don't recognize that, then that's fine, we'll wait. We don't know what negotiations have gone on, if any. All we heard was JD say that he'll talk to Jamal sometime after the draft, and now we've heard Jamal say that hasn't happened yet.
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Why wouldn't I spend that money on positions I need?
Sure, why pay the best safety in the NFL when we can sign Demaryius Thomas because we need a WR? I would argue that the biggest position of need for the Jets are IMPACT players. Jamal is an impact player.
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Why would i set a precedent that contracts mean excrement with my players?
Contracts don't mean excrement. You know that. The players know that. The owners know that. freak a precedent - that's just common knowledge. Players can get cut at any time for not performing to their contract. So I can't argue with Jamal for wanting more money for obviously exceeding his contract.
Look, I'm not saying the Jets have to sign Jamal Adams. But the board turning on Jamal because of a couple of social media posts is freaking stupid. He's a great player, and he's done nothing wrong. I don't care what he posts on Instagram.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 14, 2020, 07:40:44 AM
Adams is a big time star in the league, and a stellar locker room guy. I don't give a freak about his 'twitter game.' We need to pay the guy, and it's basically that simple. If his demands are sane he needs to be a Jet. If he wants to reset the market at S by 20% or something, that is a very different thing that needs to be discussed/handled. But until we hear that is his demands, I expect Douglas to pay him. It might not be as quickly as Adams wants, but I fully expect it will happen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 14, 2020, 08:04:02 AM
Contracts don't mean excrement. You know that. The players know that. The owners know that. freak a precedent - that's just common knowledge. Players can get cut at any time for not performing to their contract. So I can't argue with Jamal for wanting more money for obviously exceeding his contract.
Look, I'm not saying the Jets have to sign Jamal Adams. But the board turning on Jamal because of a couple of social media posts is freaking stupid. He's a great player, and he's done nothing wrong. I don't care what he posts on Instagram.
THIIIIS.
Post by: insanity on June 14, 2020, 10:13:43 AM
Its freaking June.
We're entering a recession
Our country is in turmoil
The season may not even happen
Next years salary cap will likely decrease for the first time in 15 years
It's just completely tone deaf to consistently be complaining about his contract to the public right now and it shows where his priorities are.
It's the same thing as people at my company asking for bonuses and raises while most companies are firing and furloughing people. People on town halls asking if we can expense meals after the CEO tells the company they're doing everything in their power to not have to fire a single employee.
If myles garrett gets a new contract I'll eat my hat, but no one is getting a huge contract extension right now given the climate of everything that is going on, especially someone under contract.
I have no interest in trading jamal, but if hes doing this now he will do it again 2 years after he signs his contract. And you best believe he wants to be played like a top 10 defensive player in the league 16m+ a year
Post by: insanity on June 14, 2020, 10:15:19 AM
Because otherwise, he will likely hold out.
Then let him hold out. I have no problem with that. He has 0 leverage
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
"leader"
Post by: Jumbo on June 18, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
luv
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Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 03:49:40 PM
Manish says he asked for a trade.
First big test of Joe Douglas' Jets career. So far, not so good.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 03:55:10 PM
https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1273718855572041728Cimini confirmed too. Unless there's a bidding war, it'll hurt our trade value because they know we aren't keeping him. I really don't see anything the Jets did that was wrong here.
Manish says he asked for a trade.
First big test of Joe Douglas' Jets career. So far, not so good.
He'll have some control over where he goes because no team would sign him without assurances he would accept a new deal. Otherwise, send him to the Skins. They suck and hed have to play his beloved Cowboys twice a year. Lol.
Hopefully everyone settles down and gets it together, but it isn't looking good.
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A source also says there are certain teams Jamal Adams is willing to be traded to where he won't request a contract extension, at least right away.
If this is true then he can definitely freak off lol
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
Joe Douglas basically ignoring this and hoping it would go away has fucked our leverage. Should have been traded before the draft if you didn’t intend on resigning him or even negotiating with him.I was told Jamal had no leverage though.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 04:19:17 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:21:15 PM
Anything less than 2 first round picks for Jamal is a failure.Not happening. Maybe if we throw in Nickelback....
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:21:30 PM
Get to the season and start winning. He'll shut up.Lol. Winning.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:21:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 04:22:02 PM
Not happening. Maybe if we throw in Nickelback....Throw in some plain burgers too....
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 04:23:47 PM
Not sure anyone looks good in this, but if he's telling the truth about being told he was going to get an offer in January and then the Jets failing to make one, that's a pretty sloppy move on the team's part. Wasn't there a rumour a little while back that the Jets were cash strapped? (Not sure how that happens to one of the league's most valuable franchises, but still.) If it's true that we failed to deliver on a promised offer, then either Douglas has dropped the ball or the team has pulled the rug out from underneath him.
Both sides mentioned renegotiating his deal in January. Douglas and the Jets do not look good in this.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 04:26:11 PM
Not sure anyone looks good in this, but if he's telling the truth about being told he was going to get an offer in January and then the Jets failing to make one, that's a pretty sloppy move on the team's part. Wasn't there a rumour a little while back that the Jets were cash strapped? (Not sure how that happens to one of the league's most valuable franchises, but still.) If it's true that we failed to deliver on a promised offer, then either Douglas has dropped the ball or the team has pulled the rug out from underneath him.I think it's a combination of things.
- I think the Jets are being cheap and don't want to shell out a big contract right now.
- I think Joe Douglas got off on the wrong foot with Jamal Adams and has not communicated well with him.
- I think Jamal Adams wants to get paid immediately, and if the Jets are going to be a losing team that isn't willing to pay him, then he wants to get out of here.
Like Bo said, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But that seems like the logical scenario to me.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2020, 04:27:01 PM
Oh good, we’re in the process of running out another talented secondary player over money issues. I’m sure we will all be very happy with the eventual outcome.
This situation and the Revis situation are not the same.
He's been throwing a monthslong public tantrum while the team controls his rights for at least two more seasons.
This.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:28:28 PM
Not sure anyone looks good in this, but if he's telling the truth about being told he was going to get an offer in January and then the Jets failing to make one, that's a pretty sloppy move on the team's part. Wasn't there a rumour a little while back that the Jets were cash strapped? (Not sure how that happens to one of the league's most valuable franchises, but still.) If it's true that we failed to deliver on a promised offer, then either Douglas has dropped the ball or the team has pulled the rug out from underneath him.I agree, that's really the only possible thing the Jets did wrong, if that is even true. Not sure why people can't just talk to each other. "Hey, you promised me an offer in January, why haven't I heard from you yet?". Instead we have silence and Instagram diarrhea. Who knows. I guess he's just at a point where he'd rather play somewhere else unless he gets offered a truckload of cash by the Jets. That's fine.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 04:29:39 PM
He's been throwing a monthslong public tantrum while the team controls his rights for at least two more seasons. He needs to grow up.This
Mahomes hasn’t been paid yet either....not a peep from that guy. Yet, he plays a premium position and won a super bowl.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
This
Mahomes hasn’t been paid yet either....not a peep from that guy. Yet, he plays a premium position and won a super bowl.
Well... that's kinda the point. Not being paid and playing on a excrement team is considerably worse. Garrett is a better comparison. I'm not saying we necessarily should be paying Adams this summer, but it does rather sound like the Jets have once against Jetsed it up by simply not communicating with him properly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 04:34:49 PM
ThisHe also plays for a good organization. The Jets have not earned Jamal's respect.
Mahomes hasn’t been paid yet either....not a peep from that guy. Yet, he plays a premium position and won a super bowl.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:35:23 PM
I'm fine with paying him because he shows up every week and plays his heart out, but if he wants out and we can get fair value for him, so be it.
His entire act this offseason has been beyond annoying.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
The Jets have not earned Jamal's respect.
And he's doing everything he can to lose theirs.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 04:36:27 PM
This situation and the Revis situation are not the same.
What does it matter as a fan when the result is the same? I don’t care about the front office and I sure as hell don’t trust them to build a team. This team hasn’t given me much of a reason to do so in the last decade.
They said in January they were going to renegotiate his deal. After that, Douglas kept making public, “We’ll get to that after the next thing,” comments. If they weren’t going to renegotiate his deal then Douglas shouldn’t have said it. The front office does not
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:36:29 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:37:04 PM
He's an elite player that plays a non-premium position.Yep. I'm fine either way.
I'm fine with paying him because he shows up every week and plays his heart out, but if he wants out and we can get fair value for him, so be it.
His entire act this offseason has been beyond annoying.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:37:19 PM
I genuinely believe this wouldn't be happening if the team hadn't been a dumpster fire for his first three seasons in the league. That combined with apparently poor communication on the part of the front office and dangling him at last year's trading deadline has inflamed this situation considerably.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
By the way, I want you to all be aware that I have already managed to concoct a narrative in which this is Adam Gase's doing. When I've properly fleshed it out I will unveil it.
I’m in.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 04:41:05 PM
Unfortunately, the real world and business doesn't work that way. He's under contract for at least two more seasons so the team has no incentive to rush his deal or to give in to his unreasonable demands.
If he winds up playing for a new contract on a new team, something we have all agreed is a real possibility and a few are actively rooting for at this point, it apparently does work like that.
The Jets don’t win if they trade away Jamal. The team actively gets worse.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:41:22 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:42:12 PM
I’m in.
It hinges primarily around two things: his dislike and fear of someone who is more listened to and respected than him in the locker room, and the need to add more offensive players to cover up his inability to build a competent offense without elite players figuring it out for him on the field. If we trade Jamal for a good offensive player I will consider that proof that my wild theory made up on the hoof is correct.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 04:43:11 PM
Joe Douglas basically ignoring this and hoping it would go away has fucked our leverage. Should have been traded before the draft if you didn’t intend on resigning him or even negotiating with him.
He's under team control for 3 years
He can bend over cuz Douglas got da leverage
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:45:34 PM
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Rapsheet: #Jets GM Joe Douglas tells reporters he’ll connect with star S Jamal Adams after the draft on contract talks. Sounds like there haven’t been any recent trade talks, and Douglas said he plans to “keep Jamal here for a long time."
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:45:55 PM
Hopefully the relationship hasn't been broken beyond repair but no franchise is going to crumble simply because it lost a safety, no matter how talented that safety might be.
The Baltimore Ravens made the postseason once in the 5 years following Ed Reed's departure.
The Pittsburgh Steelers have been in a downward spiral since Troy Polamalu's retirement.
I therefore conclude that safety is the single most important position on the team and you are wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:47:50 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:48:21 PM
The Baltimore Ravens made the postseason once in the 5 years following Ed Reed's departure.
Jamal Adams is not Ed Reed or anything close to it.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:48:37 PM
RavensCowboysTexans ChiefsEagles49ersSeahawksPost by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
Jamal Adams is not Ed Reed or anything close to it.
You appear to be affording my post a level of seriousness that wasn't intended.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:50:05 PM
Schefter: Here are the seven teams to which Jets’ Pro-Bowl safety Jamal Adams would welcome a trade, per source:
The Texans have nothing left to trade
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:50:28 PM
Get him out of the conference
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:51:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:52:35 PM
People have been tying Adams to Dallas forever. How the hell would they afford him? They can't even pay their quarterback.Jurrah don't currah
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 04:53:26 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:53:59 PM
Jurrah don't currah
Jerry needs to be put in a home
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 04:54:16 PM
None of those teams have high enough picksThey have other players, except Texans.
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Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 04:55:27 PM
It's also important to look at this from a purely economic standpoint. If we were to give in to Adams' demands to become the highest paid player on the team, our three highest paid players would be a safety, an inside linebacker, and a running back. What successful team has been built that way? Sure, we may be able to get out of Bell's contract in a year but that still doesn't make a lot of sense from a resource allocation standpoint.
I have a theory (and this isn't me taking the pee now) that any team is built around the spine, and that with a good spine you can live with mediocre elsewhere but with a mediocre spine good elsewhere won't help. So that means you build around the following positions:
- C
- QB
- RB
- DT
- MLB/ILB
- S (arguably)
What's interesting is that the NFL pays big money to a lot of outside positions - WR, OT, EDGE - but how many times do we see big talent, big money players in those positions fail to win anything despite getting paid? It's because the spine of the team wasn't good enough.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:56:34 PM
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 04:58:18 PM
I have a theory (and this isn't me taking the pee now) that any team is built around the spine, and that with a good spine you can live with mediocre elsewhere but with a mediocre spine good elsewhere won't help. So that means you build around the following positions:
- C
- QB
- RB
- DT
- MLB/ILB
- S (arguably)
What's interesting is that the NFL pays big money to a lot of outside positions - WR, OT, EDGE - but how many times do we see big talent, big money players in those positions fail to win anything despite getting paid? It's because the spine of the team wasn't good enough.
Edge rusher and corner are more important than ILB and safety. This isn't arguable.
Post by: Jumbo on June 18, 2020, 04:58:47 PM
I have a theory (and this isn't me taking the pee now) that any team is built around the spine, and that with a good spine you can live with mediocre elsewhere but with a mediocre spine good elsewhere won't help. So that means you build around the following positions:
- C
- QB
- RB
- DT
- MLB/ILB
- S (arguably)
What's interesting is that the NFL pays big money to a lot of outside positions - WR, OT, EDGE - but how many times do we see big talent, big money players in those positions fail to win anything despite getting paid? It's because the spine of the team wasn't good enough.
The Chiefs just won the Super Bowl with their six biggest cap hits:
WR, TE, OG, LT, EDGE, RT
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 04:59:25 PM
I have a theory
Find the nearest trash can
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:03:40 PM
Edge rusher and corner are more important than ILB and safety. This isn't arguable.
You miss my point. EDGE and CB make the big plays that make the money, but without a solid spine I don't care if you've got the second coming of Revis outside, they're going to destroy you in the middle.
The list of elite outside players who have been paid big and won nothing is extensive.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:07:52 PM
You miss my point. EDGE and CB make the big plays that make the money, but without a solid spine I don't care if you've got the second coming of Revis outside, they're going to destroy you in the middle.
The list of elite outside players who have been paid big and won nothing is extensive.
We nearly got to two Super Bowls with elite corners and average safeties.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 18, 2020, 05:08:35 PM
He's an elite player that plays a non-premium position.
I'm fine with paying him because he shows up every week and plays his heart out, but if he wants out and we can get fair value for him, so be it.
His entire act this offseason has been beyond annoying.
I've been as big a "Pay the man" Jamal cheerleader as anyone, but this is ridiculous now. Like you said, all-world talent, non-premium position.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 18, 2020, 05:09:31 PM
It hinges primarily around two things: his dislike and fear of someone who is more listened to and respected than him in the locker room, and the need to add more offensive players to cover up his inability to build a competent offense without elite players figuring it out for him on the field. If we trade Jamal for a good offensive player I will consider that proof that my wild theory made up on the hoof is correct.
I think it’s actually simpler than that. Jamal is tired of Losing, he doesn’t think Gase can build a winner, so either pay me right now or send me somewhere else where I can at least be paid if I can’t win.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 05:10:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
We nearly got to two Super Bowls with elite corners and average safeties.
No one remembers who lost a semi final except the losers.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
I think it’s actually simpler than that. Jamal is tired of Losing, he doesn’t think Gase can build a winner, so either pay me right now or send me somewhere else where I can at least be paid if I can’t win.
Yes but boring conspiracy theories are no fun, they need to have some machiavellian element of backroom whispering and multi-party manoeuvring to be interesting.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:12:23 PM
How many teams have gotten to or won a Super Bowl with dime-a-dozen running backs lately? Your argument doesn't hold water.
You're still confusing salaries with positional importance.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 05:13:29 PM
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The Jets haven’t granted permission and they don’t intend to trade him, per sources. Had it feeling this would turn ugly, and now it has.
Cimini
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:16:00 PM
You're still confusing salaries with positional importance.
No, you're confusing being right with being wrong.
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Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:17:17 PM
Just because positions literally play in the middle of the field does not make them the "spine."
Except that on both sides of the ball, if you dominate the center of the field then you have a much easier job with the rest of the game because you're making the contested area significantly smaller.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 05:17:52 PM
Good. The Jets hold all the leverage. Jamal should just sit down.
this
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 05:18:47 PM
Except that on both sides of the ball, if you dominate the center of the field then you have a much easier job with the rest of the game because you're making the contested area significantly smaller.
But if you can't stop outside zone, it was over before it started
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:18:58 PM
The formula for success in the NFL isn't that complicated. You need a quarterback (obviously), you need to protect that quarterback, and you need to get to the other quarterback. Beyond that you want players that are around the ball constantly. Edge rushers are in the backfield more often than ILBs and corners are around the ball more frequently than safeties. You don't want mediocrity anywhere on the field but if I had to choose between strength at wide receiver, corner, and edge rusher and running back, safety, and linebacker, that choice is easy.
You're cherrypicking and ignoring that I also included DT and C (could probably add G in there as well if you wanted to).
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 18, 2020, 05:20:54 PM
But if you can't stop outside zone, it was over before it started
Gase is that you?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:21:05 PM
You're cherrypicking and ignoring that I also included DT and C (could probably add G in there as well if you wanted to).
You're right, I left thoae positions out because I agreed with them while disagreeing with your overall premise.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:24:46 PM
Except that on both sides of the ball, if you dominate the center of the field then you have a much easier job with the rest of the game because you're making the contested area significantly smaller.
But it's never been easier to work the middle of the field because of rules put in effect to limit your ability to hit. That's part of the reason why the Patriots have been so dominant for so long because they've dominated that part of the field.
You're better off trying to lock down the sides, get to the quarterback, and force turnovers. Beyond that, it's all about having more possessions, more time, and, ultimately, more points than the opponent.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 05:24:56 PM
But if you can't stop outside zone, it was over before it started
OK, but if you can force a team to play to the outside by controlling the centre of the field then you have an advantage still.
I can think of weak teams with elite players on the outside. I can't think of elite teams with weak players inside.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 05:26:19 PM
Schefter: Here are the seven teams to which Jets’ Pro-Bowl safety Jamal Adams would welcome a trade, per source:Trade him to the Browns a la Abram Elam.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 05:32:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
That Ashtyn Davis pick looks pretty smart right now
I'd rather have Leonard Williams
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:36:58 PM
I think Adams is sick of losing, and if he is going to lose, he wants to be paid handsomely for it. Every one of those teams on his supposed list is a good team with a good organization.
This
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 05:37:15 PM
I think Adams is sick of losing, and if he is going to lose, he wants to be paid handsomely for it. Every one of those teams on his supposed list is a good team with a good organization.Media is saying Jamal is willing to “wait” for a contract if traded to one of those teams on his list
He’s a baby back bitch
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2020, 05:37:30 PM
I'd rather have Leonard Williams
prrrrrrrrrrrrt
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
prrrrrrrrrrrrt
That was sarcasm
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
That was sarcasm
Then I withdraw my fart.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 18, 2020, 05:42:46 PM
Just let him cry on Instagram and make him hold out.
Good. The Jets hold all the leverage. Jamal should just sit down.
I think the Carson Palmer plan may be appropriate here. We have the leverage so either pee your career away or get the freak on the field.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 18, 2020, 05:46:21 PM
That Ashtyn Davis pick looks pretty smart right now
We also need to pray like hell Maye stays healthy for the rest of his career too
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
We also need to pray like hell Maye stays healthy for the rest of his career tooYou’re asking a lot
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 18, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 06:27:46 PM
The Jamal Adams trade request is the first big test for GM Joe Douglas. Does he trade his best player or hold firm? Know this: Teams already are showing interest. A trade for draft picks does not help the team in 2020. In that case, he should've done it before the draft. If he opts for a trade, the package needs to include a quality player. The Jets shouldn't be in a hurry; they have the leverage. I know this: They're not happy with his behavior.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 06:29:19 PM
I don’t know how anyone in this world can think that this is somehow the Jets’ fault. We’re months away from the beginning of the season, the guy has two years on his contract and he’s been crying and whining in social networks for months now. His attitude is just ridiculous.I also don't know how you can be a Jets fan your entire life and think the Jets are completely innocent.
People talk about the losing as "Same Old Jets." For someone who grew up during relatively good times for the Jets, "Same Old Jets" to me means allowing our best players to walk.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 06:33:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 06:55:35 PM
I also don't know how you can be a Jets fan your entire life and think the Jets are completely innocent.SOJ also refers to hiring trash coaches over the last decade
People talk about the losing as "Same Old Jets." For someone who grew up during relatively good times for the Jets, "Same Old Jets" to me means allowing our best players to walk.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 07:06:43 PM
SOJ also refers to hiring trash coaches over the last decadeMeh. As a 32-year old, most of the time I've been a fan, the Jets have had decent coaches. The end of the Rex tenure, the end of the Bowles tenure, and the current Gase tenure have been the most negative I've been about any coaches we've had since 1997.
The biggest constants for the Jets in my life have been:
- Shitty QB play
- Shitty drafting
- And when they actually do draft a good-great-elite player, they either can't find a way to keep him (Abraham, Vilma, Revis, Moss) or that player eventually wears out their welcome (Wilkerson, Richardson, Williams)
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:16:26 PM
excrement like this is why I stopped buying jerseys after Vilma.Hoping Adams doesn't join Wilkerson, Vilma, and Moss in the far corner of my closet.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
Then I withdraw my fart.Is that physically possible?
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:26:29 PM
I also don't know how you can be a Jets fan your entire life and think the Jets are completely innocent.
Abusive relationships are complicated.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:27:18 PM
If Jamal thinks Gase is a dick, wait till he meets Bill O'Brien.The Texans are by far the funniest team we could trade him to on that list.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 07:29:05 PM
The Texans are by far the funniest team we could trade him to on that list.We can get 2023, 2024 and 2025 1st-round picks. We could also then trade Darnold for picks. Imagine how good the 2027 Jets will be in the 9th year under Adam Gase's system.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 18, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
I also don't know how you can be a Jets fan your entire life and think the Jets are completely innocent.
People talk about the losing as "Same Old Jets." For someone who grew up during relatively good times for the Jets, "Same Old Jets" to me means allowing our best players to walk.
I judge cases in a case to case basis. Our FO has usually sucked but that’s irrelevant with this. On this particular one I don’t see how the hell the Jets are guilty of anything. He has 2 more years in his contract FFS. The season hasn’t even started. There was a freaking pandemic around. Sorry but it just doesn’t hold.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 07:46:34 PM
Hoping Adams doesn't join Wilkerson, Vilma, and Moss in the far corner of my closet.
Chrebet’s was the last jersey I bought for a player that retired as a Jet.
The rest: Abraham, Vilma, and Moss
Post by: Ornstein on June 18, 2020, 09:08:18 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
Post by: Ornstein on June 18, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Gut feeling is we give him some creative bullshit so he can walk away from this content. But he's not getting traded or the contract he wants
There's no way Joe Douglas sets a precedent like this with Adams.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
There's no way Joe Douglas sets a precedent like this with Adams.
It's not a good precedent, but what are the odds of us drafting that many guys who go allpro in the first two to three years of a rookie deal
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 10:11:40 PM
He's either getting some really bad advice or just doesn't have a clue as to how the business side of the NFL works. This was literally one of the worst times he could have asked for a trade. This idiot should have just said how he truly felt before the draft.I think he made it entirely clear most of this offseason how he felt. He's felt all offseason that he's wanted to get paid. He's made that abundantly clear. The Jets have said publicly that they will address it at some point. Obviously, they have not done that yet. It's not like this came out of nowhere.
Post by: Jumbo on June 18, 2020, 10:20:39 PM
He's either getting some really bad advice or just doesn't have a clue as to how the business side of the NFL works. This was literally one of the worst times he could have asked for a trade. This idiot should have just said how he truly felt before the draft.
Rumor is it's influence from his dad (former first round bust), I could buy it
Post by: Ornstein on June 18, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
I think he made it entirely clear most of this offseason how he felt. He's felt all offseason that he's wanted to get paid. He's made that abundantly clear. The Jets have said publicly that they will address it at some point. Obviously, they have not done that yet. It's not like this came out of nowhere.
Obviously he wants to get paid but it was never clear from his end whether he wanted to actually be paid by us or by someone else. Every other week he would post some hoo-ha boy high school excrement on social media insinuating he wanted out, then he'd come out a week later with a pic of himself working out in Jets gear or some excrement like him wanting out was all horseshit and he wants to be a Jet.
Now that he's finally said he wanted out the picture is a lot clearer then before the draft, which was the freaking time for this moron to step up and say he'd like to be traded. Instead of just coming out and saying he wanted out, he waited, and now both parties are fucked. Him more so then the organization, but still his timing was terrible. There's no way Douglas fucks the coaching staff over by trading him for assets they can't utilize till next off season.
Jamal Adams can freak right off. People bitched about Revis doing this back in the day, but Revis was all business when it came to his holdout. Adams is just a little bitchy drama queen and wants the attention so badly.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
Is that physically possible?
Dowell Loggains is entirely composed of withdrawn farts
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 11:22:00 PM
Obviously he wants to get paid but it was never clear from his end whether he wanted to actually be paid by us or by someone else. Every other week he would post some hoo-ha boy high school excrement on social media insinuating he wanted out, then he'd come out a week later with a pic of himself working out in Jets gear or some excrement like him wanting out was all horseshit and he wants to be a Jet.
Now that he's finally said he wanted out the picture is a lot clearer then before the draft, which was the freaking time for this moron to step up and say he'd like to be traded. Instead of just coming out and saying he wanted out, he waited, and now both parties are fucked. Him more so then the organization, but still his timing was terrible. There's no way Douglas fucks the coaching staff over by trading him for assets they can't utilize till next off season.
Jamal Adams can freak right off. People bitched about Revis doing this back in the day, but Revis was all business when it came to his holdout. Adams is just a little bitchy drama queen and wants the attention so badly.
lol.
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1189298872381853697?s=21
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1222635936980164609?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 11:29:07 PM
Dowell Loggains is entirely composed of withdrawn farts
Hahahaha
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 05:51:03 AM
Chrebet’s was the last jersey I bought for a player that retired as a Jet.I still have my Mangold.
The rest: Abraham, Vilma, and Moss
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 05:52:59 AM
lol.Get it done Dougie.
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1189298872381853697?s=21
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1222635936980164609?s=21
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 07:00:33 AM
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 07:04:17 AM
Schefter: Here are the seven teams to which Jets’ Pro-Bowl safety Jamal Adams would welcome a trade, per source:I love him wanting to be traded to teams that have no cap space or interest in trading for him.
Seattle could work out from a cap space perspective but like the texans they have absolutely nothing to trade.
I'd love to trade jamal to the texans so watson can leave in 2 years
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 07:07:20 AM
Players from outside the organization are not allowed to be at team facilities because of covid...
Post by: Libero_2 on June 19, 2020, 07:21:17 AM
lol.
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1189298872381853697?s=21
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1222635936980164609?s=21
So no trade request then?
Ok back to your originally scheduled programming
Or is it more likely Adams reps said we want a trade, and JD did something to smooth excrement over and buy time for negotiating? Who the freak cares. But keep Adams in Green and White (and Black)
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 07:23:35 AM
So no trade request then?
Ok back to your originally scheduled programming
Or is it more likely Adams reps said we want a trade, and JD did something to smooth excrement over and buy time for negotiating? Who the freak cares. But keep Adams in Green and White (and Black)
You need to be more diligent when you read.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 07:24:10 AM
So no trade request then?That's from January.
Ok back to your originally scheduled programming
Or is it more likely Adams reps said we want a trade, and JD did something to smooth excrement over and buy time for negotiating? Who the freak cares. But keep Adams in Green and White (and Black)
Post by: Libero_2 on June 19, 2020, 07:25:38 AM
You need to be more diligent when you read.
That's from January.
Well never mind then
Let’s go backing to yesterday’s programming instead
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 07:28:27 AM
The funniest part about jamal Adam's insane expectations is that I dont think the jets could make a trade even if they wanted to.
Players from outside the organization are not allowed to be at team facilities because of covid...
Would they really need him to be at the team facilities?
I mean he has no health issue or flags. and they can easily do a Skype interview and or take him out to dinner.
And theoretically any trade could be pending him passing a physical regardless.
I mean teams are going to sign and cut all kinds of guys during the offseason, surely that process will be applicable to vets like Jamal
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 07:35:45 AM
Would they really need him to be at the team facilities?You realize there are two sides to a trade right....
I mean he has no health issue or flags. and they can easily do a Skype interview and or take him out to dinner.
And theoretically any trade could be pending him passing a physical regardless.
I mean teams are going to sign and cut all kinds of guys during the offseason, surely that process will be applicable to vets like Jamal
The jets are going to want a player back
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 07:40:20 AM
What i want to see is the Jets FO to sit on this and not let a player bully them into submission. Adams is an elite Safety, but he's out of line here. Especially since he's willing to forego a contract extension with the team he's willing to be traded to....that's freaking horseshit.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 19, 2020, 07:54:18 AM
we're all freaking out because we know these are the jets but i think this all dies down/nothing comes of it. the strangest part is the lack of dialogue which is unacceptable but i'm sure once they 'sit down' and speak relations will at the least start to improve. and there's no way the team/Joe D don't make an effort to speak to Jamal after all of this
just give it a few days
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 07:59:07 AM
this honestly sucks but i feel is not as big of a deal as it's been made to be, and is getting blown up because nothing else sports wise is going on
we're all freaking out because we know these are the jets but i think this all dies down/nothing comes of it. the strangest part is the lack of dialogue which is unacceptable but i'm sure once they 'sit down' and speak relations will at the least start to improve. and there's no way the team/Joe D don't make an effort to speak to Jamal after all of this
just give it a few days
The problem is Jamal is impatient, when he doesn't need to be. He has 2 years left on his deal. His stance is so premature, and his decision on how to approach it makes him look like whiny bitch.
The timing of all this is ridiculous.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 19, 2020, 08:02:20 AM
The problem is Jamal is impatient, when he doesn't need to be. He has 2 years left on his deal. His stance is so premature, and his decision on how to approach it makes him look like whiny bitch.
The timing of all this is ridiculous.
do we think jamal would have thrown a tantrum like this during any other offseason, or is this just another example of somebody going a little stir crazy during the coronavirus lockdown?
i agree the timing is obnoxious/ridiculous, but this is a guy that was told in january and then after the draft that this would be addressed. It wasn't, and he's been home for months thinking and stewing about it, and he was already a little gay before all of this
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 08:08:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
do we think jamal would have thrown a tantrum like this during any other offseason, or is this just another example of somebody going a little stir crazy during the coronavirus lockdown?
i agree the timing is obnoxious/ridiculous, but this is a guy that was told in january and then after the draft that this would be addressed. It wasn't, and he's been home for months thinking and stewing about it, and he was already a little gay before all of this
I'll dismiss what he was told in January, because i'm sure the Jets didn't bank on a pandemic happening in the spring. As far as what he was told right after the draft, we're less than 2 months from the draft date. Did Jamal expect a contract offer the day after the draft?
I think he needs to calm his funbags, and focus on preparing for the season.
I would have a completely different opinion and would sympathize with him more if he was entering his contract year.....but he's not. He needs to STFU and be the leader he keeps telling everyone that he is. He's going to get paid eventually (even if he does get injured), the guy is top 3 at his position.
Also, asking for a trade and then telling potential teams that you're willing to wait on a contract extension is the biggest POS move i've seen from a player in a long time.
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
I hope Doug does nothing and lets him know that he will get max fines for every day he doesn't show.
agreed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2020, 08:34:22 AM
The problem is Jamal is impatient, when he doesn't need to be. He has 2 years left on his deal. His stance is so premature, and his decision on how to approach it makes him look like whiny bitch.
The timing of all this is ridiculous.
Jamal is being impatient because he has 2 years left on his deal. And then the tag. His first 3 years as a Jet he had a front row seat to the Mike Maccagnan and Adam Gase fiasco. Would you want to spend your prime years as a top safety, getting paid well under market value, playing for an organization that has shown that kind of dysfunction? We’ve gone more backwards than forward since he was drafted.
I don’t think we’re in this situation if the Jets were winning
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 08:37:59 AM
Jamal is being impatient because he has 2 years left on his deal. And then the tag. His first 3 years as a Jet he had a front row seat to the Mike Maccagnan and Adam Gase fiasco. Would you want to spend your prime years as a top safety, getting paid well under market value, playing for an organization that has shown that kind of dysfunction? We’ve gone more backwards than forward since he was drafted.
I don’t think we’re in this situation if the Jets were winning
Sure....but telling potential teams that you're willing to play without a contract extension wipes out any sympathy whatsoever. Jamal can eat a excrement sandwich for all i care now.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 19, 2020, 08:38:36 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 19, 2020, 09:27:05 AM
Sure....but telling potential teams that you're willing to play without a contract extension wipes out any sympathy whatsoever. Jamal can eat a excrement sandwich for all i care now.
i think that part of it may have more to do with our losing and dysfunction since he's been here as opposed to any contract he wants. there are probably a couple of fronts that jamal is mad with RE the team, one being the constant losing and the other being the poor movement/communication over a contract despite Jet claims that it would be addressed.
as has been mentioned, he'd probably feel okay with an L on one of those fronts but not both. a winning team with him playing under his rookie contract, or a losing excrement organization but still getting paid. i'm not defending him but it's probably hard for somebody who's been as good and as competitive as he's been at his craft his entire life to endure swallowing both.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Jamal is being impatient because he has 2 years left on his deal. And then the tag. His first 3 years as a Jet he had a front row seat to the Mike Maccagnan and Adam Gase fiasco. Would you want to spend your prime years as a top safety, getting paid well under market value, playing for an organization that has shown that kind of dysfunction? We’ve gone more backwards than forward since he was drafted.
I don’t think we’re in this situation if the Jets were winning
Dudes young enoguh that he could easily play another 10 years, capable of being a top 5 safety for the next 6 to 8.
And I'd imagine because of the cap implications of covid19 it his options are probably to either get a deal now or try to wait two years for the cap situation from a potentially verydown year to work itself out.
I think he's just freaking delusional and obscenely overvalues what he brings to the team
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 09:56:57 AM
You realize there are two sides to a trade right....
The jets are going to want a player back
The issue there isn't trading Jamal its compensation. And there's numerous ways to get compensated
Post by: mj2sexay on June 19, 2020, 09:58:40 AM
freak that. He can play out the year and then get dealt.
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 10:20:41 AM
i think that part of it may have more to do with our losing and dysfunction since he's been here as opposed to any contract he wants. there are probably a couple of fronts that jamal is mad with RE the team, one being the constant losing and the other being the poor movement/communication over a contract despite Jet claims that it would be addressed.
as has been mentioned, he'd probably feel okay with an L on one of those fronts but not both. a winning team with him playing under his rookie contract, or a losing excrement organization but still getting paid. i'm not defending him but it's probably hard for somebody who's been as good and as competitive as he's been at his craft his entire life to endure swallowing both.
You can't bitch about money, and then turn around and tell potential teams that you're willing to play under the contract you're currently bitching about.
There's no excuse for that, i don't care if it's a winning team or not.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
It's like he looked at the NFL standings for 2019 and made a list.
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
Adams has a loser's mentality. For all the talk about changing culture and turning the franchise around, he hasn't done that.
It's like he looked at the NFL standings for 2019 and made a list.
He comes across as a loud mouth. All talk no action.
Granted, dude's a baller....but he couldn't lead a horse to water with that attitude.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2020, 10:31:37 AM
He comes across as a loud mouth. All talk no action.
Granted, dude's a baller....but he couldn't lead a horse to water with that attitude.
If he's really asking to be the highest paid player on the team, it has to be a slap in the face to someone like CJ Mosley (who is the highest paid VETERAN on the team).
Finish out your deal and then ask for the money.
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 10:58:02 AM
If he's really asking to be the highest paid player on the team, it has to be a slap in the face to someone like CJ Mosley (who is the highest paid VETERAN on the team).
Finish out your deal and then ask for the money.
Yes
Like i said in an earlier post, i could get on board if he was in his contract year....but he's not. This is a terrible look for him. I hope JD doesn't budge at all.
I hate this because he's one of my favorite players.
Post by: Laxin on June 19, 2020, 11:04:00 AM
What a freaking bitch. Making the Jets seem like bad guys because a system like the rookie wage scale exists. Oh and add in the massive uncertainty surrounding the season next year.
He has absolutely no pulse on the situation.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 11:12:17 AM
I'll dismiss what he was told in January, because i'm sure the Jets didn't bank on a pandemic happening in the spring.
Also what the hell did he think was going to happen in January? That's the beginning of the playoffs
As far as what he was told right after the draft, we're less than 2 months from the draft date. Did Jamal expect a contract offer the day after the draft?
This. Either he is an idiot or he isn't negotiating in good faith. Dak & the cowboys have been doing this for over a year, and you don't hear this from his camp. Sprinkle Covid on top of this and its just pure idiotic.
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To plays devils advocate, how would you feel if Joe Douglas gave Joe $5MM to Jamal this year to reward him for his play? I don't think you can do that now that Jamal has had a excrement show, but what do you think about this as a precedent?
On one hand he clearly outplayed his contract and as a sign of good faith for the future you're giving him some more money.
On the other hand it sort of deems contracts as meaningless and could indicate that all players are worthy of unexpected bonuses.
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 11:15:16 AM
I think this is more about wanting off the team because he can't control that they have been losing.
I understand that perspective and I think that makes the most sense, but then do that before the draft.
If that was his biggest issue, what happened between before the draft and now that made him think we're more likely to lose?
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
Anyone have espn+
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 19, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
Where did the highest paid player part come from? I’ve never seen that wording outside of this board.Jeremy Fowler, ESPN- Jamal Adams’ future contract demands loom large in trade talks. If he wants pay among top defensive players - which one source whose team has looked into Adams believes - that’s well above $20M per year, while safety market is below $15M. Tough for a SS, no matter how good.
Post by: Jumbo on June 19, 2020, 12:29:20 PM
(https://i.redd.it/kgfghv4bfw551.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
lmaooooFrrrrt
(https://i.redd.it/kgfghv4bfw551.jpg)
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
lmaoooo
(https://i.redd.it/kgfghv4bfw551.jpg)
If thats a legit like from Jamal, I'm done with him unless he apologizes. You're liking a bills fan's post that mentions racism?!
freak off on the highest measures.
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
If thats a legit like from Jamal, I'm done with him unless he apologizes. You're liking a bills fan's post that mentions racism?!
freak off on the highest measures.
Without context that looks and sounds bad, but hands up everyone who thinks Adams probably hasn't had some pretty appalling tweets directed to him in the last 24 hours by people purporting to be Jets fans.
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
Without context that looks and sounds bad, but hands up everyone who thinks Adams probably hasn't had some pretty appalling tweets directed to him in the last 24 hours by people purporting to be Jets fans.Truth
Post by: Libero_2 on June 19, 2020, 12:45:55 PM
But if his agents didn't tell him that he needed to disconnect from social media for a few days the minute they decided to tell the press he has requested a trade, they are freaking morons...
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
Truth
The Bills guy can freak off with his holier-than-thou attitude though, like upstate NY is a freaking nirvana of acceptance and integration and love for all mankind.
Post by: Jumbo on June 19, 2020, 12:54:20 PM
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 12:57:27 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 19, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
Translation: everyone who isn’t Adams and the Jets’ FO can STFU.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 19, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
Jamal Adams shouldn't be using random attacks from nobody important to fuel his anger. Stay off social media.
All i care about now is getting fair value for Adams on the trade front. He's not coming back from this. And i trust JD to get the right price.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2020, 02:01:12 PM
Adams has a loser's mentality. For all the talk about changing culture and turning the franchise around, he hasn't done that.
It's like he looked at the NFL standings for 2019 and made a list.
Jamal has done his part, even exceeded expectations. The Jets haven’t held up their end of the bargain.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 19, 2020, 02:21:22 PM
Post by: delavan on June 19, 2020, 02:44:40 PM
The Bills guy can freak off with his holier-than-thou attitude though, like upstate NY is a freaking nirvana of acceptance and integration and love for all mankind.
This "Bills guy" Jeff Smith is Canadian?
https://twitter.com/JeffSmith_Bills/status/1273814185403731969
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 02:52:15 PM
BREAKING: #Jets Jamal Adams adds teams to his preferred trade destinations:
- ‘85 Bears
- ‘72 Dolphins
- ‘07 Patriots
- ‘89 49ers
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 03:17:45 PM
Lol:Joe Douglas: "Best I can do is '96 Jets"
BREAKING: #Jets Jamal Adams adds teams to his preferred trade destinations:
- ‘85 Bears
- ‘72 Dolphins
- ‘07 Patriots
- ‘89 49ers
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2020, 03:22:34 PM
This "Bills guy" Jeff Smith is Canadian?
https://twitter.com/JeffSmith_Bills/status/1273814185403731969
By my scientific calculations at least 30% of Bills fans are.
Also the guy doesn't have a blue check which means he's a nobody.
Post by: reuben on June 19, 2020, 03:24:47 PM
Jamal has done his part, even exceeded expectations. The Jets haven’t held up their end of the bargain.
I'm pretty sure only one player from the first round of 2017 has received a contract extension and he was a borderline league MVP. Mahomes was a league MVP and hasn't been extended. TJ Watt (1.30) has outperformed his rookie deal by a substantially greater margin than Jamal Adams has; he hasn't been extended.
Throwing a shitfit because you haven't been re-signed earlier than just about every player from your class is a BITCH move.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 19, 2020, 03:26:07 PM
I understand that perspective and I think that makes the most sense, but then do that before the draft.There are 2 issues. He wants to get paid. And he wants to win.
If that was his biggest issue, what happened between before the draft and now that made him think we're more likely to lose?
The Jets arent winning him. And they srent paying him. So that's why he is upset.
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Jamal has done his part, even exceeded expectations.Correct amd as a result he gets his salary and gets to keep his job
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2020, 03:38:30 PM
I'm pretty sure only one player from the first round of 2017 has received a contract extension and he was a borderline league MVP. Mahomes was a league MVP and hasn't been extended. TJ Watt (1.30) has outperformed his rookie deal by a substantially greater margin than Jamal Adams has; he hasn't been extended.
Throwing a shitfit because you haven't been re-signed earlier than just about every player from your class is a BITCH move.
I saw it said that 4 first round defensive players have been extended after 3 years since the 2011 draft, but I don't know who they are. Garrett is one, I guess. Bosa, Mack, Donald?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2020, 03:43:52 PM
Correct amd as a result he gets his salary and gets to keep his job
Funny how it works one way when it comes to Jamal Adams but another way when it comes to Trumaine Johnson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
I'm pretty sure only one player from the first round of 2017 has received a contract extension and he was a borderline league MVP. Mahomes was a league MVP and hasn't been extended. TJ Watt (1.30) has outperformed his rookie deal by a substantially greater margin than Jamal Adams has; he hasn't been extended.
Throwing a shitfit because you haven't been re-signed earlier than just about every player from your class is a BITCH move.
I didn’t mean that they Jets haven’t held up their end by resigning him, they haven’t held up their end of the bargain by moving in the direction of competency. How is Jamal supposed to “lead” the front office? He did more than any player I’ve ever seen here in terms of trying to recruit talent. How is Jamal supposed to “lead” the offense or develop a QB?
But they also shouldn’t have told him they were going to enter negotiations with him and then never make an offer - if this is what actually happened.
Anyone here think Jamal is a Gase fan?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
Funny how it works one way when it comes to Jamal Adams but another way when it comes to Trumaine JohnsonOne was an unrestricted free agent.
Post by: Jumbo on June 19, 2020, 05:18:03 PM
One was an unrestricted free agent.
Yeah and Trumaine Johnson never complained on social media!!!!
Post by: Laxin on June 19, 2020, 06:05:03 PM
I didn’t mean that they Jets haven’t held up their end by resigning him, they haven’t held up their end of the bargain by moving in the direction of competency. How is Jamal supposed to “lead” the front office? He did more than any player I’ve ever seen here in terms of trying to recruit talent. How is Jamal supposed to “lead” the offense or develop a QB?
But they also shouldn’t have told him they were going to enter negotiations with him and then never make an offer - if this is what actually happened.
Anyone here think Jamal is a Gase fan?
Some fair points, but things have definitely changed since January. No one can be certain there will even be a season, let alone the cap implications that might arise. I get that they Jets apparently said they would discuss an extension, but entire sports season have been cancelled since. I don’t blame the Jets for being extremely cautious.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
That being said, Jamal was a model citizen here up until the trade deadline last year. There’s a lot of hearsay on what’s happened since then, but I don’t think it was handled well by the FO either way.
Post by: insanity on June 20, 2020, 07:43:06 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 20, 2020, 07:49:09 AM
How about we send jamal to a real winner, the jags for yannick and a 3rdI hate that proposed deal
Post by: insanity on June 20, 2020, 08:04:06 AM
I hate that proposed dealI hate you
Post by: MBGreen on June 20, 2020, 08:11:57 AM
I hate you*chefs kiss*
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 20, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 20, 2020, 08:35:41 AM
Hasn’t Belichick hate-traded someone before to one of the worst teams in the league?
Yeah...he traded us Demaryius Thomas.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2020, 09:03:38 AM
If a team wants to trade for him and sign him to a new, big deal, Jamal would have to be willing to sign with that team. For example, if he says "I'm not signing any deal with the Bengals", the Bengals wouldn't trade for him. So, if we are going to trade him to a team where he signs a new contract, he can control where he doesn't want to go.
If we are willing to accept less compensation, send him to the Redskins or the Lions.
Post by: MBGreen on June 20, 2020, 09:17:24 AM
The only way the Jets could trade him to another excrement team is with the knowledge that it's on his current rookie deal, which would likely net us much less compensation.Getting max value for Jamal should be top priority if trading him is the decision going fwd.
If a team wants to trade for him and sign him to a new, big deal, Jamal would have to be willing to sign with that team. For example, if he says "I'm not signing any deal with the Bengals", the Bengals wouldn't trade for him. So, if we are going to trade him to a team where he signs a new contract, he can control where he doesn't want to go.
If we are willing to accept less compensation, send him to the Redskins or the Lions.
freak taking less compensation
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2020, 10:06:50 AM
Hasn’t Belichick hate-traded someone before to one of the worst teams in the league?
He sent Jamie Collins to Cleveland for a pick, but I don't know how much of a hate trade it was given he went back to NE when Cleveland released him.
Post by: MBGreen on June 20, 2020, 01:15:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2020, 01:52:26 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1274396457383219200 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1274396457383219200)Dig it!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200620/37961a13020e29f43387ff5999c7bf6c.gif)
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
To be clear, I think they Jets are well in the right here and I’m glad they haven’t caved to Jamal’s demands so far.I also think about 50% of what we've heard since then is media bullshit, which is why I refuse to get indignant.
That being said, Jamal was a model citizen here up until the trade deadline last year. There’s a lot of hearsay on what’s happened since then, but I don’t think it was handled well by the FO either way.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 21, 2020, 07:33:38 PM
Cromartie hinting after speaking with Jamal, that Gase is the reason he wants out.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least. If true, it's just another reason this fuckface was one of the worst hires in this franchise's history.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2020, 07:48:19 PM
https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297796/developing-story-the-adams-saga-gets-cloudy-with-gases-name-entering-the-arena
Cromartie hinting after speaking with Jamal, that Gase is the reason he wants out.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least. If true, it's just another reason this fuckface was one of the worst hires in this franchise's history.
Gase has nothing to do with sending Jamal Adams a preliminary offer. He specifically said that was a slap in the face to him.
A fan pulling random tweets to build an argument against Gase is typical and it's not surprising you're the one that's running with it.
Post by: reuben on June 21, 2020, 07:51:29 PM
Cromartie hinting after speaking with Jamal, that Gase is the reason he wants out.
I've never suspected anything else, but I've just lumped it under "Jamal wants to win." The implicit bit is that Gase is a loser.
Still a bitch move.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 21, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
The only way the Jets could trade him to another excrement team is with the knowledge that it's on his current rookie deal, which would likely net us much less compensation.
If a team wants to trade for him and sign him to a new, big deal, Jamal would have to be willing to sign with that team. For example, if he says "I'm not signing any deal with the Bengals", the Bengals wouldn't trade for him. So, if we are going to trade him to a team where he signs a new contract, he can control where he doesn't want to go.
If we are willing to accept less compensation, send him to the Redskins or the Lions.
This is nonsense I don't believe. He's got 3 years left of team control for an extremely affordable price.
If we traded him to the least desirable team in the league do you think he's going to refuse a new contract for 3 years and play for dick?
I don't care if he goes to the skins Jaguars or whatever else is considered a cesspool. Jamal's not going to turn down highest paid safety money for a chance at free agency in 2023
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2020, 10:18:09 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 21, 2020, 10:31:08 PM
lmao bruh
I blame Jerry
Post by: Laxin on June 22, 2020, 06:37:51 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/hdj3vu/fan_are_you_coming_to_dallas_jamal_im_trying_bro/
lmao bruh
I blame Jerry
Yeah, freak this guy. How old are you that you need to throw a tantrum to try and get traded to Dallas. freak Dallas too. Unless we absolutely rip them off for Lamb and a 1st or two 1sts they can freak off. Honestly might prefer a lower return just to send him to a trash team.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2020, 07:08:48 AM
Yeah, freak this guy. How old are you that you need to throw a tantrum to try and get traded to Dallas. freak Dallas too. Unless we absolutely rip them off for Lamb and a 1st or two 1sts they can freak off. Honestly might prefer a lower return just to send him to a trash team.Redskins
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 07:27:25 AM
I still think the bidding should start at 2 first round picks.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 08:05:13 AM
Get it done
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 22, 2020, 08:07:28 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2020, 08:15:03 AM
/Spite
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 08:42:17 AM
Sign Marcus Maye to long term deal, wait 2 weeks to let it sink in, then ship him to the Redskins so it the opposite of what he wants, and they suck too.
/Spite
Extend Ashtyn Davis
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2020, 08:42:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 08:46:52 AM
Do the Jaguars have a first in 2021? If/when he goes I’d like to get a pass rusher out of this.
Yes, and it's likely going to be a top three pick.
I highly doubt they'd move that pick since they have a shot at Trevor Lawrence.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 08:49:12 AM
1st and Michael Gallup
Get it done
freak sending him to Dallas....he can eat a excrement sandwich in Cincy, Jax or Det.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
Well...he's pretty much alienated the fanbase now. Not sure if there's any way back from this.
I still think the bidding should start at 2 first round picks.
If he plays good and the Jets become competitive people will start blowing him again.
I think the bidding has to start at two firsts, simply because there's so much uncertainty about the draft situation next year (how covid affects standings, what happens when there's no college football etc)
If the team waits until next offseason you can ask for a lesser price once you know where things lie. But for now, you either get a package with players or get a team to overpay
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 08:57:41 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 09:00:03 AM
freak sending him to Dallas....he can eat a excrement sandwich in Cincy, Jax or Det.
Dallas isn't going to win anything.
I want the best deal.
If we can get a #1 WR and a first, it accelerates our rebuild.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
Dallas isn't going to win anything.
I want the best deal.
If we can get a #1 WR and a first, it accelerates our rebuild.
I want the best deal too....but Dallas knows Jamal wants to play there. They're gonna lowball the excrement out of JD because of that, and because they're in cap hell.
That's why he think he goes elsewhere. Plus, i want to see him go anywhere but the Cowboys or an AFC East division rival, out of spite.
EDIT: Send him to Detroit for Kenny Golladay, 1st and a 4th (that can escalate to a 3rd)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 09:27:51 AM
I want the best deal too....but Dallas knows Jamal wants to play there. They're gonna lowball the excrement out of JD because of that, and because they're in cap hell.
That's why he think he goes elsewhere. Plus, i want to see him go anywhere but the Cowboys or an AFC East division rival, out of spite.
I'd rather him go to the NFC and rot on a franchise that will be in cap hell before they know it.
Michael Gallup and Yannick Ngakoue are the best players that are reasonable trade targets.
Jacksonville would be foolish to give up a first.
Tampa Bay is an intriguing option. Todd Bowles is there.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 09:29:01 AM
EDIT: Send him to Detroit for Kenny Golladay, 1st and a 4th (that can escalate to a 3rd)
Detroit wouldn't do that. They don't have anything else at receiver. Stafford would kill himself.
Cowboys have a surplus at receiver which is why it's fair to ask them for Michael Gallup.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 09:29:32 AM
I'd rather him go to the NFC and rot on a franchise that will be in cap hell before they know it.
Michael Gallup and Yannick Ngakoue are the best players that are reasonable trade targets.
Jacksonville would be foolish to give up a first.
Tampa Bay is an intriguing option. Todd Bowles is there.
Todd Bowles will trade his timeouts for Jamal.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 09:32:02 AM
Detroit wouldn't do that. They don't have anything else at receiver. Stafford would kill himself.
Cowboys have a surplus at receiver which is why it's fair to ask them for Michael Gallup.
Sending him to Dallas would set such a shitty precedent league-wide.
Find another deal elsewhere. There will be multiple suitors. I'm glad we have a smart GM, so i'm not too worried about not receiving fair compensation.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 09:39:49 AM
Hell, i'd even do a straight up swap with the Chargers for Derwin James.
Why would they do that?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
Go get picks and players that will help us win right now and in the future.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2020, 09:41:32 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2020, 09:42:02 AM
Todd Bowles will trade his timeouts for Dukes mayonnaise.
Post by: Jumbo on June 22, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
Who cares if he goes to Dallas? Get the best deal for the team. I could give a freak where he ends up going.
My spiteful nature cares...freak you, mate.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 10:08:32 AM
Why would they do that?
Because we asked nicely?
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 10:10:26 AM
If he doesn't want to play her, trade him to the highest bidder.
Go get picks and players that will help us win right now and in the future.
Yes...the highest bidder. I don't think it'll be Dallas.
*dcm mode engaged*
How're they going to pay him?
*dcm mode disengaged*
Post by: Jumbo on June 22, 2020, 10:11:40 AM
My spiteful nature cares...freak you, mate.
I mean I would love if the highest bidder was a excrement team, I just wouldn't expect that
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 10:12:56 AM
I mean I would love if the highest bidder was a excrement team, I just wouldn't expect that
Whomever the highest bidder is, will also need the cap space to sign him long term (i don't see that happening in Dallas).
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 10:15:03 AM
I'm glad we have a smart GM, so i'm not too worried about not receiving fair compensation.
Based on what, exactly? Signing a bunch of second tier FAs and drafting some players who we hope will be good when they see an NFL field?
This is the first test of his career as a GM and he's hardly acing it so far. Adams is a poorly advised kid with a mouth as big as his talent, but it is the job of the GM to manage people like that and keep the franchise moving in the right direction. Douglas is not doing that so far.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 10:22:48 AM
Based on what, exactly? Signing a bunch of second tier FAs and drafting some players who we hope will be good when they see an NFL field?
This is the first test of his career as a GM and he's hardly acing it so far. Adams is a poorly advised kid with a mouth as big as his talent, but it is the job of the GM to manage people like that and keep the franchise moving in the right direction. Douglas is not doing that so far.
He won the Leonard Williams trade and i thought he did a great job at the draft.
Douglas will be fine. And he's dealing with uncertainty due to the pandemic.
Plus, he's only been here 1 year. You're not going to change the culture that fast, especially when you have a turd like Gase as your HC.
EDIT: JE, i hope you realize that a lot of this crap stems from the ownership as well. We don't even know how much autonomy JD has in his position. Hell, his HC doesn't even report to him.
DOUBLE EDIT: What do you expect JD to do about Jamal Adams? The kid is under contract for 2 more years (plus the franchise tag option)....i don't believe the Jets are at fault here. Adams, on the other hand, is taking an awful approach with this.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 10:29:19 AM
Yes...the highest bidder. I don't think it'll be Dallas.
*dcm mode engaged*
How're they going to pay him?
*dcm mode disengaged*
They don't have to pay him for 3 years
Hell at that point they can save over 40 million by cutting zeke who will almost certainly have a freak ton of mileage on him
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 10:32:40 AM
They don't have to pay him for 3 years
Hell at that point they can save over 40 million by cutting zeke who will almost certainly have a freak ton of mileage on him
For what the price tag will be to acquire him....they're not going to wait 3 years.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
For what the price tag will be to acquire him....they're not going to wait 3 years.
Jamal already said he would wait if he was traded, and he's been blowing Dallas anyway. I could easily see them letting him play out his 5th year rookie option then franchise tagging and extending him at that point.
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 10:59:22 AM
He won the Leonard Williams trade and i thought he did a great job at the draft.
Douglas will be fine. And he's dealing with uncertainty due to the pandemic.
Plus, he's only been here 1 year. You're not going to change the culture that fast, especially when you have a turd like Gase as your HC.
Draft performance is still uncertain. Otherwise I agree.
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EDIT: JE, i hope you realize that a lot of this crap stems from the ownership as well. We don't even know how much autonomy JD has in his position. Hell, his HC doesn't even report to him.
Agree 100%, but that doesn't have any impact upon how he's handling this situation.
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DOUBLE EDIT: What do you expect JD to do about Jamal Adams? The kid is under contract for 2 more years (plus the franchise tag option)....i don't believe the Jets are at fault here. Adams, on the other hand, is taking an awful approach with this.
I expect him to communicate with Adams and keep a lid on this kind of thing. I expect players not to be saying that they were promised a contract offer in January and then after the draft and now we're in June and it still hasn't materialised.
I'm not arguing that Adams isn't also at fault here - my specific words were "Adams is a poorly advised kid with a mouth as big as his talent" - but it's literally Douglas's job to not let things like this happen and spiral out of control as it appears to be. Your opinion that he is a smart GM may be proven correct, and I hope it is, but as yet there's really nothing to demonstrate that.
I understand the desperation of Jets fans to finally get someone in charge who knows what they're doing, but you do have form for jumping the gun on these things and I think you're doing it again.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Draft performance is still uncertain. Otherwise I agree.
Agree 100%, but that doesn't have any impact upon how he's handling this situation.
I expect him to communicate with Adams and keep a lid on this kind of thing. I expect players not to be saying that they were promised a contract offer in January and then after the draft and now we're in June and it still hasn't materialised.
I'm not arguing that Adams isn't also at fault here - my specific words were "Adams is a poorly advised kid with a mouth as big as his talent" - but it's literally Douglas's job to not let things like this happen and spiral out of control as it appears to be. Your opinion that he is a smart GM may be proven correct, and I hope it is, but as yet there's really nothing to demonstrate that.
I understand the desperation of Jets fans to finally get someone in charge who knows what they're doing, but you do have form for jumping the gun on these things and I think you're doing it again.
To be fair to JD Jamal Adams is freaking insane. Let's just say that JD did say he was going to talk an extension with Adams. Adams is purportedly asking for 20 million a year. There's no freaking negotiating with that. The man's absolutely bat excrement insane, I don't see anything that Joe Douglas can do at this point. You either keep him, trade him, or drastically overpay him.
And I think its fairly difficult to trade him until after this season, and I'd be chipping in for a plane to fly around the stadium saying fire Joe Douglas if he pays him anything close to 20 million a year.
I don't have any idea how you deal with this. Outside of due your homework on trade interest. And see if Jamal changes his tune.
Post by: Jumbo on June 22, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
To be fair to JD Jamal Adams is freaking insane. Let's just say that JD did say he was going to talk an extension with Adams. Adams is purportedly asking for 20 million a year. There's no freaking negotiating with that. The man's absolutely bat excrement insane, I don't see anything that Joe Douglas can do at this point. You either keep him, trade him, or drastically overpay him.
And I think its fairly difficult to trade him until after this season, and I'd be chipping in for a plane to fly around the stadium saying fire Joe Douglas if he pays him anything close to 20 million a year.
I don't have any idea how you deal with this. Outside of due your homework on trade interest. And see if Jamal changes his tune.
I don't think he's insane. I think he's tired of losing and/or wants to play for his childhood team close to home.
With how the NFL system works, I can't even overly blame him for any of that. I just wish he wasn't such a little excrement about it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2020, 11:15:44 AM
I'd rather him go to the NFC and rot on a franchise that will be in cap hell before they know it.
Michael Gallup and Yannick Ngakoue are the best players that are reasonable trade targets.
Jacksonville would be foolish to give up a first.
Tampa Bay is an intriguing option. Todd Bowles is there.
Jacksonville is foolish.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
Draft performance is still uncertain. Otherwise I agree.
Agree 100%, but that doesn't have any impact upon how he's handling this situation.
I expect him to communicate with Adams and keep a lid on this kind of thing. I expect players not to be saying that they were promised a contract offer in January and then after the draft and now we're in June and it still hasn't materialised.
I'm not arguing that Adams isn't also at fault here - my specific words were "Adams is a poorly advised kid with a mouth as big as his talent" - but it's literally Douglas's job to not let things like this happen and spiral out of control as it appears to be. Your opinion that he is a smart GM may be proven correct, and I hope it is, but as yet there's really nothing to demonstrate that.
I understand the desperation of Jets fans to finally get someone in charge who knows what they're doing, but you do have form for jumping the gun on these things and I think you're doing it again.
i'm all ears on what you think JD should do...he can't put a gag order on Adams like he can with coaches or other office personnel. In fact, JD's kept his cards close to his vest....like any smart GM.
Joe Douglas was a good hire. That's not jumping the gun....that's based on what i've seen so far, and how the rest of the league views him. He's learned under some of the best FO's in the league. Given that i've lived through the Bradway, Tanny, Idzik and Maccagnan years....JD is a clear upgrade until he proves otherwise. His only flaw is that he respects Adam Gase.
He's not responsible for what Adams chirps about on social media....that's on Adams.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
in any deal i think the biggest thing we have going for us RE adams is the fact that he still has several years left on his rookie deal. him stating that any trade would not even be contingent on signing a fat extension actually helps us. he is guaranteed a team two more cost controlled years for one of the best young safeties in the game
i'd do it for ngakoue and a 2nd/3rd, but we are a long ways away from this, and who knows if the situation will still be like this at that time. this thing is going to drag out and if we are to trade him, it'll be sometime later in the summer a la the Khalil Mack situation
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 11:23:56 AM
This is the first test of his career as a GM and he's hardly acing it so far.
This is not true.
His first major test as a GM was running a draft room during coronavirus. While we don't know the results yet and won't for a couple seasons, he's handled his role well so far.
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
i'm all ears on what you think JD should do...he can't put a gag order on Adams like he can with coaches or other office personnel. In fact, JD's kept his cards close to his vest....like any smart GM.
Joe Douglas was a good hire. That's not jumping the gun....that's based on what i've seen so far, and how the rest of the league views him. He's learned under some of the best FO's in the league. Given that i've lived through the Bradway, Tanny, Idzik and Maccagnan years....JD is a clear upgrade until he proves otherwise. His only flaw is that he respects Adam Gase.
He's not responsible for what Adams chirps about on social media....that's on Adams.
You manage people by communicating with them, understanding what they want, working with them to build a plan to deliver both what they want and what you want. If you can't give them what they want, you explain why you can't. You continue communicating with them.
It is possible that he has done all of these things and Adams is lying. It certainly seems the case that he's very emotional and poorly advised. But we have absolutely no evidence that Douglas is handling this as well as he could or should be; we just don't know. I think it's entirely possible that the team has mishandled this, and if that is the case then Douglas is the face of it. Maybe he was handling it perfectly and then the team pulled the rug out from underneath him, which is also possible, but it's still conjecture. That's why I have a problem with the "Douglas good, Adams bad" attitude.
This is not true.
His first major test as a GM was running a draft room during coronavirus. While we don't know the results yet and won't for a couple seasons, he's handled his role well so far.
Congratulations, he worked Zoom and managed to draft some players we think and hope will be good. But as you say, until we know the results it's impossible to say that he has done a good job.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 12:31:52 PM
You manage people by communicating with them, understanding what they want, working with them to build a plan to deliver both what they want and what you want. If you can't give them what they want, you explain why you can't. You continue communicating with them.Douglas has been pretty solid in his first year.
It is possible that he has done all of these things and Adams is lying. It certainly seems the case that he's very emotional and poorly advised. But we have absolutely no evidence that Douglas is handling this as well as he could or should be; we just don't know. I think it's entirely possible that the team has mishandled this, and if that is the case then Douglas is the face of it. Maybe he was handling it perfectly and then the team pulled the rug out from underneath him, which is also possible, but it's still conjecture. That's why I have a problem with the "Douglas good, Adams bad" attitude.
Congratulations, he worked Zoom and managed to draft some players we think and hope will be good. But as you say, until we know the results it's impossible to say that he has done a good job.
And he’s not required to deal directly with the players, that’s what agents are for. Kinda funny that Adams’ agent hasn’t come out with any comment on this so far.
That’s why I’m thinking this is all on Adams until proven otherwise.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 22, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
I'm still not trading him unless its an insane overpay. He has zero leverage.
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 12:45:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 12:45:55 PM
It sucks that trading him to the Cowboys is giving this petulant little bitch exactly what he wants, but they do seem to be the team that best matches up in terms of assets.
I'm still not trading him unless its an insane overpay. He has zero leverage.
I don't really see how any trade makes sense, because next year's draft is going to be a mess. Are we even going to have a college season? If not, does that mean that players all get an extra year of eligibility? What about players who have redshirted their first year, then played last season, and now declare? How can you judge a player with one season under their belt from over a year ago?
If I'm the Jets I am refusing to even enter trade conversations with anyone unless they're starting with a ludicrous offer including a quality player in their prime with a good contract, because draft picks are worth less this coming year than they ever have been. If Jamal is really going to be hardheaded about it he can sit the season out and we'll just kick his contract down the road.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 12:50:51 PM
I don't really see how any trade makes sense, because next year's draft is going to be a mess. Are we even going to have a college season? If not, does that mean that players all get an extra year of eligibility? What about players who have redshirted their first year, then played last season, and now declare? How can you judge a player with one season under their belt from over a year ago?
If I'm the Jets I am refusing to even enter trade conversations with anyone unless they're starting with a ludicrous offer including a quality player in their prime with a good contract, because draft picks are worth less this coming year than they ever have been. If Jamal is really going to be hardheaded about it he can sit the season out and we'll just kick his contract down the road.
I think next year's draft being a complete mess will be the reason that Jamal's asking price would have to start at two 1sts.
Unless players come into play in which case anything is fair game
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
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2. He was told they would redo his contract and haven’t. Making him wonder how committed they are to him.
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5. Dallas, his hometown, is desired destination.
6. not much new here but worth nothing the “bend” part bc #Cowboys haven’t been overly interested in giving up much
#6 is why he won't end up in Dallas. Go to the highest bidder, Big Doug.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 22, 2020, 01:00:15 PM
I want the best deal too....but Dallas knows Jamal wants to play there. They're gonna lowball the excrement out of JD because of that, and because they're in cap hell.
That's why he think he goes elsewhere. Plus, i want to see him go anywhere but the Cowboys or an AFC East division rival, out of spite.
EDIT: Send him to Detroit for Kenny Golladay, 1st and a 4th (that can escalate to a 3rd)
Detroit is the exact team we should target. Patricia and that Front Office are about to be excrement canned if they don’t win right now. So lost draft capital is a hurdle they either cross later (if they win) or it’s somebody else’s problem. Patricia is also a defensive minded coach, meaning he is more likely to over value a defensive star.
That said they won’t give us any offensive talent. It would be a straight picks payment. But I could see something like a 2021 1st and a 2022 2 and 4.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 22, 2020, 02:17:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 22, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
It's like with Darnold. We HOPE they are the answers. Both have showed some signs. But the grade for both is incomplete.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 05:53:26 PM
STFU already
Post by: Jumbo on June 22, 2020, 06:12:15 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on June 22, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2020, 06:30:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 06:40:19 PM
If we were in camp, Steve McLendon would have beaten his derriere by now
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 22, 2020, 07:29:13 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on June 22, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Instead all that's happening is he is pissing off literally everyone related to the organization.
Post by: reuben on June 22, 2020, 07:42:27 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 22, 2020, 07:48:01 PM
Burning bridges while he's still on the island.
This is a good way of putting it. If we don't ultimately trade him (which I still think is more likely than not), he's going to have to play the entire season with teammates and coaches he was all too ready to abandon.
That's how this kind of behavior should be rewarded IMO
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 22, 2020, 08:18:26 PM
This is a good way of putting it. If we don't ultimately trade him (which I still think is more likely than not), he's going to have to play the entire season with teammates and coaches he was all too ready to abandon.I don't really care how behavior should be rewarded or not.
That's how this kind of behavior should be rewarded IMO
I still want to keep him here long-term. If the bridges have been fully burned, trade him for the most value we can get. I don't care if it's Dallas or anyone else. If the offers are essentially identical, then maybe we can screw Jamal by sending him somewhere he wouldn't like, but the Jets should focus on what is best for the Jets.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 22, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 08:26:10 PM
I don't really care how behavior should be rewarded or not.
I still want to keep him here long-term.
Co-signed.
We don't get better by pissing off our best players and then trading them.
He's a kid who's badly advised and behaving like an idiot. Fix this excrement rather than just ditching the problem. Do the difficult thing, not the easy one.
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 09:26:37 PM
Co-signed.
We don't get better by pissing off our best players and then trading them.
He's a kid who's badly advised and behaving like an idiot. Fix this excrement rather than just ditching the problem. Do the difficult thing, not the easy one.
You keep saying Joe Douglas has to fix this excrement.....what do you expect him to do? I told you his only recourse from what he's doing right now, is to give in and pay Jamal his price....which is absolutely the wrong approach, especially now with how Jamal has been handled this.
Joe Douglas isn't ditching the problem, he's handling the situation EXACTLY the way he should be handling it given the cirucmstances.
Post by: Laxin on June 22, 2020, 09:48:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2020, 10:00:39 PM
Satisfying the trade request of a malcontent player is a dangerous precedent to set for the team.
When have we not done that?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 06:26:52 AM
When have we not done that?
Teddy Bridgewater
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 23, 2020, 07:10:10 AM
Teddy Bridgewater
I??? What? Is there some sarcasm that I’m missing here?
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
You keep saying Joe Douglas has to fix this excrement.....what do you expect him to do? I told you his only recourse from what he's doing right now, is to give in and pay Jamal his price....which is absolutely the wrong approach, especially now with how Jamal has been handled this.
Joe Douglas isn't ditching the problem, he's handling the situation EXACTLY the way he should be handling it given the cirucmstances.
The way to handle it is to sit down with Jamal and figure out a plan of action for both sides, whatever that may be. He's talking on social media because there is no plan in place, or if there is it hasn't been communicated to him, so he's agitating. Your thinking is binary and unsophisticated and not how a professional executive should be handling things.
It is literally Douglas's job to build the best roster possible and creating a situation in which your best player is behaving like this is poor. This doesn't happen at well run clubs; do you think that that's because no other player is unhappy or egotistical?
There's no one person in the wrong here. Adams is behaving poorly as a result of being stuck with a club that has a losing culture that starts from the ownership and is perpetuated by the head coach, and the front office is failing to get control of it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 23, 2020, 09:33:51 AM
The way to handle it is to sit down with Jamal and figure out a plan of action for both sides, whatever that may be. He's talking on social media because there is no plan in place, or if there is it hasn't been communicated to him, so he's agitating. Your thinking is binary and unsophisticated and not how a professional executive should be handling things.Yes. Douglas is in charge. The vast majority of this problem goes beyond Douglas, but Adams felt like he was disrespected at the trade deadline, and he feels like the Jets have misled him this offseason.
It is literally Douglas's job to build the best roster possible and creating a situation in which your best player is behaving like this is poor. This doesn't happen at well run clubs; do you think that that's because no other player is unhappy or egotistical?
There's no one person in the wrong here. Adams is behaving poorly as a result of being stuck with a club that has a losing culture that starts from the ownership and is perpetuated by the head coach, and the front office is failing to get control of it.
If we end up selling low on the best player on the team because the organization failed to communicate the way Adams wanted to be communicated with, well, the Jets screwed up. We don't know how to divide the blame between Douglas, Gase, Johnson and Adams. But nobody with the Jets had done anything to deserve the benefit of the doubt, including Douglas.
It's possible the Jets have handled everything the right way. Gauging Jamal's trade value is certainly defensible. And maybe the Jets have been upfront with Adams from the moment this offseason started, and Adams just wants so much money where it's not even worth discussing. But we don't know how Douglas has dealt with Adams this offseason, and we don't really know how he's dealing with him now.
I like Douglas. But I've seen a lot of coaches and GMs and players come through here that were supposed to be the answer. I'm optimistic Douglas can be the guy, but he hasn't proven a thing yet. People liked Maccagnan, too.
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
I like Douglas. But I've seen a lot of coaches and GMs and players come through here that were supposed to be the answer. I'm optimistic Douglas can be the guy, but he hasn't proven a thing yet. People liked Maccagnan, too.
Common denominator: the ownership
Post by: Heismanberg on June 23, 2020, 11:15:15 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
Common denominator: the ownership
Wasn't everyone blowing Chris Johnson up until the Gase hiring?
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
Common denominator: the ownership
No disagreement from me on that one. As I said previously, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Douglas had told Jamal that they'd sit down and talk contract, and then ownership told him they wouldn't risk giving anyone a pay rise for a season that doesn't get played or has reduced revenues. There was a rumour a while back, although it may have been just Manish noise, that the Jets were running cash poor.
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 11:19:38 AM
Wasn't everyone blowing Chris Johnson up until the Gase hiring?
His approach to the players kneeling was much more open and reasonable than his Trumpster brother, and many of their peers in the owners' club; he treated the players like adults and was rightly applauded for it. I think it's possible though to separate the man's principles and his ability to run a football team, and judge those things individually.
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 11:21:11 AM
The way to handle it is to sit down with Jamal and figure out a plan of action for both sides, whatever that may be. He's talking on social media because there is no plan in place, or if there is it hasn't been communicated to him, so he's agitating. Your thinking is binary and unsophisticated and not how a professional executive should be handling things.
It is literally Douglas's job to build the best roster possible and creating a situation in which your best player is behaving like this is poor. This doesn't happen at well run clubs; do you think that that's because no other player is unhappy or egotistical?
There's no one person in the wrong here. Adams is behaving poorly as a result of being stuck with a club that has a losing culture that starts from the ownership and is perpetuated by the head coach, and the front office is failing to get control of it.
The pandemic has torched any plans the Jets had, because everything (including the season, the salary cap etc) is up in the air. I know you don't want to hear that (because of your opinions on this pandemic), but it's the truth. It's nice that the NFL is saying they're on schedule to play, but i'll believe it when i see it. In regards to Adams, he needs to read the room a little better, the situation has changed...what he was told in January and around draft time, may have changed over the last 2 months. The Jets are well within their right to do that. Remember, Adams isn't in a contract year, and has zero leverage.
Joe Douglas has gone on record saying Adams was gonna be made a Jet for life, obviously not right away most likely because the world isn't a good place healthwise.
The kid has been a warrior for this team, but he should show a little patience...and start acting like the leader he makes himself out to be.
Joe Douglas shouldn't have to hold Adams' hand through this...he's a grown man. There's nothing to smooth over other than a player acting like an entitled bitch literally at the worst possible time
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Wasn't everyone blowing Chris Johnson up until the Gase hiring?
Everyone was tired of Woody at that point in time.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 23, 2020, 11:29:36 AM
The Jets don't owe him a damn thing right now.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 11:33:01 AM
No disagreement from me on that one. As I said previously, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Douglas had told Jamal that they'd sit down and talk contract, and then ownership told him they wouldn't risk giving anyone a pay rise for a season that doesn't get played or has reduced revenues. There was a rumour a while back, although it may have been just Manish noise, that the Jets were running cash poor.
I think that's complete nonsense. Between Adams obscene contract demands and the fact it's extremely rare for a player to get extended thst early. I don't think any good GM would be extending him at this time
I also kinda doubt Douglas would have came here if he had no power to do his job
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Adams is trying to force his way out and has acted unprofessionally.
The Jets don't owe him a damn thing right now.
Wait...you don't think Joe Douglas should suck Adams' rooster, hold his hand, and ask if there's anything else he can do for him in his time of need?
maybe we should fire him.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 11:44:10 AM
The Jets are a bit hamstung in the media because they can't just come out and call him out in the media if they are in the right. That would blow up what little chance there is of fixing this.
Jamal is being an poopchute, but hopefully someone has at least talked to him since the draft.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 11:56:45 AM
The pandemic has torched any plans the Jets had, because everything (including the season, the salary cap etc) is up in the air. I know you don't want to hear that (because of your opinions on this pandemic), but it's the truth. It's nice that the NFL is saying they're on schedule to play, but i'll believe it when i see it. In regards to Adams, he needs to read the room a little better, the situation has changed...what he was told in January and around draft time, may have changed over the last 2 months. The Jets are well within their right to do that. Remember, Adams isn't in a contract year, and has zero leverage.
Joe Douglas has gone on record saying Adams was gonna be made a Jet for life, obviously not right away most likely because the world isn't a good place healthwise.
The kid has been a warrior for this team, but he should show a little patience...and start acting like the leader he makes himself out to be.
Joe Douglas shouldn't have to hold Adams' hand through this...he's a grown man. There's nothing to smooth over other than a player acting like an entitled bitch literally at the worst possible time
No disagreement from me on that one. As I said previously, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Douglas had told Jamal that they'd sit down and talk contract, and then ownership told him they wouldn't risk giving anyone a pay rise for a season that doesn't get played or has reduced revenues. There was a rumour a while back, although it may have been just Manish noise, that the Jets were running cash poor.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-714-midweek-manish-part-1-will-jets-actually/id1236901698?i=1000479195875
I hadn't heard this till now, but it's also a Manish thing. Around the 10 minute mark they discuss how Joe Douglas was told before the pandemic that he would be limited on actual cash to spend this offseason. And thst it likely played a huge role in our free agency moves (ie how they were mostly one year contracts, or disguised one year contracts)
I don't think this has anything to do with the Jamal situation to be honest as he just wasn't due. But it's certainly something that makes a lot of sense in regards to the offseason
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 12:11:01 PM
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-714-midweek-manish-part-1-will-jets-actually/id1236901698?i=1000479195875
I hadn't heard this till now, but it's also a Manish thing. Around the 10 minute mark they discuss how Joe Douglas was told before the pandemic that he would be limited on actual cash to spend this offseason. And thst it likely played a huge role in our free agency moves (ie how they were mostly one year contracts, or disguised one year contracts)
I don't think this has anything to do with the Jamal situation to be honest as he just wasn't due. But it's certainly something that makes a lot of sense in regards to the offseason
I don't believe the Johnsons cash strapped Douglas because of being short on cash. Maybe they did because of the pandemic and uncertainty with the future cap, but I don't know that I believe that either. You can like or dislike the Johnsons, but they have never been cheap.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 12:14:19 PM
I don't believe the Johnsons cash strapped Douglas because of being short on cash. Maybe they did because of the pandemic and uncertainty with the future cap, but I don't know that I believe that either. You can like or dislike the Johnsons, but they have never been cheap.
According to them the mandate came out before covid19. But I haven't seen it reported by anyone other than Manish. Although the Jets free agency moves would seem to support his claim
Post by: insanity on June 23, 2020, 01:22:09 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 01:41:44 PM
As much as we hate Manish when it comes to internal issues he's usually right.
I'm still waiting for Logan Ryan's introductory press conference at Florham Park.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
I'm still waiting for Logan Ryan's introductory press conference at Florham Park.
They’ll introduce him with Andre Dillard
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 23, 2020, 02:11:02 PM
#FireWoody
I’ve always been about this.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
I'm still waiting for Logan Ryan's introductory press conference at Florham Park.
To be fair he's still an UFA. If we sign him it'll likely mean Joe Douglas got us a helluva better deal than if we signed him in May
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
To be fair he's still an UFA. If we sign him it'll likely mean Joe Douglas got us a helluva better deal than if we signed him in MayYou’re missing the point
Your buddy Manish said it was a done deal
Post by: insanity on June 23, 2020, 08:01:26 PM
I'm still waiting for Logan Ryan's introductory press conference at Florham Park.I said internal issues not spreading rumors about free agents
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 08:09:12 PM
I said internal issues not spreading rumors about free agentsSame poop
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 10:29:40 PM
But he's also the same guy who said Mac and Gase were fine and Mac wasn't going anywhere.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 10:42:11 PM
Manish was great at getting the dirt on internal disputes in the Rex era because Pettine was his basketball buddy.
But he's also the same guy who said Mac and Gase were fine and Mac wasn't going anywhere.
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1121812242184515585?s=21
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 24, 2020, 03:40:08 AM
The pandemic has torched any plans the Jets had, because everything (including the season, the salary cap etc) is up in the air. I know you don't want to hear that (because of your opinions on this pandemic), but it's the truth. It's nice that the NFL is saying they're on schedule to play, but i'll believe it when i see it. In regards to Adams, he needs to read the room a little better, the situation has changed...what he was told in January and around draft time, may have changed over the last 2 months. The Jets are well within their right to do that. Remember, Adams isn't in a contract year, and has zero leverage.
Joe Douglas has gone on record saying Adams was gonna be made a Jet for life, obviously not right away most likely because the world isn't a good place healthwise.
The kid has been a warrior for this team, but he should show a little patience...and start acting like the leader he makes himself out to be.
Joe Douglas shouldn't have to hold Adams' hand through this...he's a grown man. There's nothing to smooth over other than a player acting like an entitled bitch literally at the worst possible time
This x 1000
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 24, 2020, 03:41:54 AM
As much as we hate Manish when it comes to internal issues he's usually right.
He’s lost his sources ever since Maccagnan left the building. He hasn’t really been right since.
Post by: insanity on June 24, 2020, 07:28:26 AM
He’s lost his sources ever since Maccagnan left the building. He hasn’t really been right since.
Lol you're talking about him as if he was a player who got an injury
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 24, 2020, 07:47:23 AM
Lol you're talking about him as if he was a player who got an injury
He’s not far off.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 02:50:13 PM
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1275871352340328449?s=21
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 02:51:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 02:57:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 03:10:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
On that basis, it seems clear that Manish is actually understating things, that Gase has committed a number of actionable offenses against Jamal, his actions are entirely understandable, and we should immediately fire Gase and give Adams his new contract.
Make a good case for why I'm wrong.
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
I think there are a couple of things to consider here. First, it's quite possible that Manish is making things up, he does have form. Secondly though, we have to consider whether we'd rather watch a team with Gase but no Jamal, or Jamal but no Gase.I’ll beg for Adams’ forgiveness if Gase is in fact the reason he wants out...
On that basis, it seems clear that Manish is actually understating things, that Gase has committed a number of actionable offenses against Jamal, his actions are entirely understandable, and we should immediately fire Gase and give Adams his new contract.
Make a good case for why I'm wrong.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 03:18:15 PM
I’ll beg for Adams’ forgiveness if Gase is in fact the reason he wants out...
You're welcome.
By the way, I want you to all be aware that I have already managed to concoct a narrative in which this is Adam Gase's doing. When I've properly fleshed it out I will unveil it.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 03:25:10 PM
He's been acting like a gigantic vagina since Manish started rumors about the team trying to trade him.
Post by: insanity on June 24, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Remember Manish's Lev Bell Questions last year?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 03:35:51 PM
Gase has also shitted on Manish throughout the year. Manish is most likely just stirring the pot.
Remember Manish's Lev Bell Questions last year?
Yeah, Manish is the dickhead here
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1211752805150539776?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 04:05:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 04:05:31 PM
Post by: insanity on June 24, 2020, 05:14:04 PM
Yeah, Manish is the dickhead hereThat is correct.
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1211752805150539776?s=21
That was the press conference where Manish accused Gase of having a burner twitter account.
To jog your memory it was Manish who had a fake Gase burner twitter account.
So gain, yes Manish is the dickhead here
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 05:30:34 PM
That is correct.
That was the press conference where Manish accused Gase of having a burner twitter account.
To jog your memory it was Manish who had a fake Gase burner twitter account.
So gain, yes Manish is the dickhead here
So Gase's approach to Bell last season was fine and Manish was just being a bitch for how he reported it? Gotcha.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 05:31:20 PM
All other teams can freak off. Fire Gase and pay Adams.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
So Gase's approach to Bell last season was fine and Manish was just being a bitch for how he reported it? Gotcha.
His approach? Our offensive line stunk.
Bell was fine. He has almost 200 more carries than any other ball carrier and he has 66 receptions. The myth that he wasn't used is a god damn joke. He didn't have a great season but no one in our offense did.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
He responded like that to Manish because earlier during the presser, he accused Gase of having a burner account on Twitter.
If he can’t figure out how not to let a known media grifter get under his skin without pissing off a key player during a public press conference, he might not be a good fit for an NFL HC in NYC.
Say what you will about Bowles, but he would have handled that 100x better.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 05:48:57 PM
If he can’t figure out how not to let a known media grifter get under his skin without pissing off a key player during a public press conference, he might not be a good fit for an NFL HC in NYC.
If that pissed Bell off then he needs to stop being so soft.
He didn't say anything bad about him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 24, 2020, 07:59:00 PM
Manish started rumors about the team trying to trade him.
Manish wasn't the only one reporting rumors and JD acknowledged that they entertained offers for Jamal.
I wouldn't be surprised if Manish is pulling this out of his derriere. I also wouldn't be surprised if Gase was at fault.
Post by: insanity on June 24, 2020, 08:36:00 PM
If he can’t figure out how not to let a known media grifter get under his skin without pissing off a key player during a public press conference, he might not be a good fit for an NFL HC in NYC.You mean by grunting his way through the presser?
Say what you will about Bowles, but he would have handled that 100x better.
Gase does need to work on that but I do appreciate the fact that he tells manish to kick rocks
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 08:43:16 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 24, 2020, 08:48:30 PM
I like Gase pressers. He's a dick to the press.
He's like Belichick minus the competence.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 24, 2020, 11:38:34 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Manish is pulling this out of his derriere. I also wouldn't be surprised if Gase was at fault.Totally. Gase has had some issues with players in the past. Maybe Adams is one of those players now. But Manish is absolutely the type of journalist to float this since it's impossible to prove it wrong.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 25, 2020, 05:06:11 AM
I highly doubt that's the reason he's crying now, but Gase was with Miami for multiple years so at least they were allowed to whine
Post by: insanity on June 25, 2020, 12:32:29 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB3YCVtlREk/
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
Alex Lewis tells Manish to kick rocks
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB3YCVtlREk/
Can the franchise bar him from the locker room?
Post by: insanity on June 25, 2020, 12:42:49 PM
Can the franchise bar him from the locker room?Can the franchise re-extend Alex Lewis?
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 25, 2020, 12:56:09 PM
Alex Lewis tells Manish to kick rocks
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB3YCVtlREk/
Finally
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 25, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
That guy sucks rooster for breakfast, lunch, and dinner
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 01:36:18 PM
Manish: "The prevailing sentiment in Gang Green's locker room is clear: Players don't respect Gase, who has rubbed them the wrong way"
Seems pretty clear that Manish is speaking about the locker room, not for it, which is exactly his job. He also doesn't say "all the players", he says "prevailing sentiment". Also, Lewis doesn't say "that's not true, we all love playing for the coach". He's not actually refuting anything Manish has said, just told him to shut up. Can't imagine why a mediocre role player who just managed to get himself a new contract wouldn't want a new coach.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
Lewis: "You don't speak for the locker room or myself. You got no place in the locker room if you are going to overgeneralize all players."
Manish: "The prevailing sentiment in Gang Green's locker room is clear: Players don't respect Gase, who has rubbed them the wrong way"
Seems pretty clear that Manish is speaking about the locker room, not for it, which is exactly his job. He also doesn't say "all the players", he says "prevailing sentiment". Also, Lewis doesn't say "that's not true, we all love playing for the coach". He's not actually refuting anything Manish has said, just told him to shut up. Can't imagine why a mediocre role player who just managed to get himself a new contract wouldn't want a new coach.
I can't deal with this nonsense for another season
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 02:44:52 PM
I can't deal with this nonsense for another season
So we're agreed that the Jets need to just fire him and we can all move on? Excellent.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 02:47:02 PM
So we're agreed that the Jets need to just fire him and we can all move on? Excellent.
We're spinning our wheels with Gase just like we did with Bowles.
#RinseAndRepeatSZN
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 02:47:40 PM
If Manish said that everyone loved Adam Gase, you'd be writing hate mail to the sports editor of the New York Daily News.
I don't need Manish to know Gase is a turd.
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
If Manish said that everyone loved Adam Gase, you'd be writing hate mail to the sports editor of the New York Daily News.
I doubt that there has ever been a coach of any sports team ever who has been either universally loved or universally hated. We're talking about a preponderance of feeling, and that's what Mehta clearly stated.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 25, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
Can the franchise bar him from the locker room?Can you do that to a head coach? Worth a shot.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 25, 2020, 07:08:37 PM
Lewis: "You don't speak for the locker room or myself. You got no place in the locker room if you are going to overgeneralize all players."
Manish: "The prevailing sentiment in Gang Green's locker room is clear: Players don't respect Gase, who has rubbed them the wrong way"
Seems pretty clear that Manish is speaking about the locker room, not for it, which is exactly his job. He also doesn't say "all the players", he says "prevailing sentiment". Also, Lewis doesn't say "that's not true, we all love playing for the coach". He's not actually refuting anything Manish has said, just told him to shut up. Can't imagine why a mediocre role player who just managed to get himself a new contract wouldn't want a new coach.
Are you serious?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 25, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
Tony Pauline reporting we want La’el Collins for Jamal Adams. I know you guys say he’s full of excrement but anyway, what do you think? I’d accept with my eyes closedCowboys wouldn't. They just paid him a big bonus. And they'd have to give up significant draft picks. And pay the highest paid safety in the league. Even Jurrah isn't that dumb.
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 07:16:29 PM
Are you serious?
As serious as your determination to suck Gase's rooster, yes.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 25, 2020, 09:44:37 PM
Aaron Donald: 6/1
J.J. Watt: 9/1 (horrible value IMHO)
Nick Bosa: 9/1
Khalil Mack: 10/1
Joey Bosa: 14/1
T.J. Watt: 16/1
Chandler Jones: 16/1
Stephon Gilmore: 20/1
Jadaveon Clowney (also horrible value): 22/1
Myles Garrett: 25/1
I notice they didn't even set a number for a certain safety two years out of free agency who wants a market defining contract in the middle of a league economic climate where the cap might actually contract.
Considering Pauline thinks we're starting the year with Edoga at RT mixed in the fact that he's a general retard on his best day, I find that Collins speculation to be horseshit.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 25, 2020, 10:24:29 PM
Post by: reuben on June 25, 2020, 10:35:40 PM
Not that I bet, but who’s the last S to win DPOY, and when was that? Safeties don’t win the award very often if memory serves, it’s mostly a sacks stat leader award isnt it?
Polamalu
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 10:59:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
So we're agreed that the Jets need to just fire him and we can all move on? Excellent.
Here’s the thing: I think even the people that defend Adam Gase would be fine with this. It’s not like we would end up with a worse HC. Maybe he is a good coach, I really don’t care to continue the experiment, cross my fingers and hope that all the signs pointing to the contrary are false.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 11:02:13 PM
It’s not like we would end up with a worse HC.
(Jk I repeatedly said that was a possibility when we fired Bowles because Jets)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 25, 2020, 11:50:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 11:51:55 PM
Stop quoting yourself and go to bed.
first one was a real quote
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 26, 2020, 04:24:24 AM
As serious as your determination to suck Gase's rooster, yes.
I don’t like Gase, I want him out, so no rooster sucking here at all, but your whole reasoning didn’t make the most minimal sense. Your hatred is clouding your judgement.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 05:09:23 AM
Post by: insanity on June 26, 2020, 05:16:38 AM
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 05:49:42 AM
(Jk I repeatedly said that was a possibility when we fired Bowles because Jets)I said this when we fired Rex and we still haven't done better than him since.
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 06:41:17 AM
I'm amazed Tony Pauline gets so many people to run with his bullshit.
This
Pauline is on the same tier as Incarcerated Bob when it comes to accurate info.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 07:15:43 AM
Since you all hate gase and jamal. What coach would you trade jamal for?..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200626/a29cd328cfae38f09787237a540e780d.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on June 26, 2020, 07:17:24 AM
The dudes either gonna have some measurable amount of success this year or get fired.
To act like there's a chance we're going to fire him in freaking July is crackpot
Gase is the Jets coach for at least most of this season. All we can hope for is a clear sign of feast or famine and not murky bullshit.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 26, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 08:31:14 AM
I'd be a lot more sympathetic to the "Fire Gase" crowd if the arguments for doing so weren't nonsensical.
they're nonsensical to you because you're not thinking clearly.
Post by: insanity on June 26, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
they're nonsensical to you because you're not thinking clearly.
Here is the truth...
- Hiring a head coach is a crapshoot
- Knowing whether you have a good head coach takes atleast 3 years (See Bowles and Rex)
- Hiring and Firing coaches every 3 years will not result in success
- There are no surefire candidates who want to come to the Jets
Let Gase have this year and then we can talk.
I'll go back to my exercise. If there are so many better options, name 10 great coaches in the NFL that you'd be happy to have. No one on this board will be able to agree on 10.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 26, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
they're nonsensical to you because you're not thinking clearly.
Hey remember when everyone cited Frank Gore as an example of a respectable locker room leader that hated Gase in Miami?
Here is the truth...
- Hiring a head coach is a crapshoot
- Knowing whether you have a good head coach takes atleast 3 years (See Bowles and Rex)
- Hiring and Firing coaches every 3 years will not result in success
- There are no surefire candidates who want to come to the Jets
Let Gase have this year and then we can talk.
I'll go back to my exercise. If there are so many better options, name 10 great coaches in the NFL that you'd be happy to have. No one on this board will be able to agree on 10.
This.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 26, 2020, 09:08:43 AM
Here is the truth...
- Hiring a head coach is a crapshoot
- Knowing whether you have a good head coach takes atleast 3 years (See Bowles and Rex)
- Hiring and Firing coaches every 3 years will not result in success
- There are no surefire candidates who want to come to the Jets
Let Gase have this year and then we can talk.
I'll go back to my exercise. If there are so many better options, name 10 great coaches in the NFL that you'd be happy to have. No one on this board will be able to agree on 10.
We don't have to agree on 10 guys who will be great.
All we have to know is that the guy we have isn't gonna get it done. If that's true, then we need to try and find a different one. Based on Gase's 4 years as a HC between Miami and NY, many people, myself included believe that he can't be the guy. As long as people believe that about a coach, they will want him gone. Same was true of Bowles, Rex, Mangini etc.
If Gase can't improve the offense and help Sam develop, he needs to be shown the door, sooner rather than later. If we fired him tomorrow I sure as excrement wouldn't be complaining. Williams could run the team in the interim and I don't think many jets fans would be too disappointed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 26, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
I said this when we fired Rex and we still haven't done better than him since.
Yeah that was pretty much a large part of my argument for #KeepRex, thank you for reminding me
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 09:11:15 AM
Knowing whether you have a good head coach takes atleast 3 years (See Bowles and Rex)
You guys need to stop this. Gase isn't a rookie HC (Bowles was to some degree because he's only had the interim tag, and Rex was a rookie HC)
Before Gase, we've hired rookie HCs all the way back to Parcells.
Gase doesn't need 3 years to prove himself here....he's shown what he's capable of in Miami. And it was nothing to write home about.
Post by: insanity on June 26, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
Williams could run the team in the interim and I don't think many jets fans would be too disappointed.Yes, lets have toughshop coach the offense.
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
Yes, lets have toughshop coach the offense.
Wasn't our offense dead last? Not sure Tough Shop could do any worse than that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 26, 2020, 09:27:12 AM
Post by: insanity on June 26, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
Wasn't our offense dead last? Not sure Tough Shop could do any worse than that.Patton Oswald says hold my beer
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
Hey remember when everyone cited Frank Gore as an example of a respectable locker room leader that hated Gase in Miami?
...... no?
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 12:50:24 PM
Wasn't our offense dead last? Not sure Tough Shop could do any worse than that.
Maybe he's an undiscovered genius being held back by Gase's autocratic style and total commitment to his big book of autism. We owe it to ourselves to find out, I think.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 26, 2020, 01:23:14 PM
...... no?
...Gore and Cameron Wake were repeatedly cited in here as guys that despised Gase.
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 01:31:01 PM
...Gore and Cameron Wake were repeatedly cited in here as guys that despised Gase.
I think you're confusing Gore with Ajayi.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 26, 2020, 01:34:05 PM
Yes, lets have toughshop coach the offense.
It's not the head coaches job to deal with a specific side of the ball, it's to make the tough decisions necessary to see the team find success.
Gase has shown (to me and many other board guys) that he isn't up to that task. Williams is NOT the long term answer. But as a guy who has a track record of strong defenses and previous HC experience, he is about as good as you could ask for in the interim.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
Yes, lets have toughshop coach the offense.Drawl Logarithms
Post by: klaximilian on June 26, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
"Gase Derangement Syndrome" on full display.
I'll show myself out.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 05:25:12 PM
Is this thread about Gase or Adams?Gase Expulsive Reaction Disease
"Gase Derangement Syndrome" on full display.
I'll show myself out.
Post by: klaximilian on June 26, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 05:28:17 PM
Is this thread about Gase or Adams?I thought COVID killed you...welcome back
"Gase Derangement Syndrome" on full display.
I'll show myself out.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 05:35:57 PM
Gase Expulsive Reaction DiseaseGase Ororectal disease. GORD!!!
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Gase Ororectal disease. GORD!!!Hahaha
Post by: klaximilian on June 26, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
Gase Ororectal disease. GORD!!!
Very well played, sir...
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 26, 2020, 08:02:54 PM
I think you're confusing Gore with Ajayi.I think the general take was "Players hate Gase," but there weren't too many specifics on which ones outside of people who made it obvious.
Only thing I could find by searching "Gase Gore" into the search function was this post from SFD. I assume it's from a report somewhere, but there's no link, so *shrug*
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4442.msg323432.html#msg323432
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 08:56:52 PM
I think the general take was "Players hate Gase," but there weren't too many specifics on which ones outside of people who made it obvious.I traced it back to this guy
Only thing I could find by searching "Gase Gore" into the search function was this post from SFD. I assume it's from a report somewhere, but there's no link, so *shrug*
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4442.msg323432.html#msg323432
https://twitter.com/ckparrot
Post by: reuben on June 26, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I traced it back to this guy
https://twitter.com/ckparrot
https://twitter.com/CBS12/status/1276624213386747904 (https://twitter.com/CBS12/status/1276624213386747904)
freak me, Denethor is pissed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 30, 2020, 09:56:17 PM
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1278118016245551105?s=21
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1278141655221260288?s=21
Wtf
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 30, 2020, 10:03:41 PM
gase slapped his dick down on the table
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 30, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1278116586138845186?s=21He loves football. He's always loved football. That's never been in doubt.
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1278118016245551105?s=21
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1278141655221260288?s=21
Wtf
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2020, 10:55:35 PM
He loves football. He's always loved football. That's never been in doubt.
If he had other NFL jerseys he'd post pictures in them.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2020, 05:27:59 AM
looks like he's trying to start the rehabilitation of his image
Tough Shop Logjam slapped his dick down on the table
Fyp
Post by: Johnny English on July 06, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
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Only four defenders drafted in the first round since 2011—J.J. Watt, Robert Quinn, Patrick Peterson, and Luke Kuechly—have gotten contract extensions after their third seasons.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 06, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 06, 2020, 03:45:23 PM
Adams is one of three top-10 picks from the 2017 draft to make an All-Pro team, along with Mahomes and McCaffrey who have both gotten extensions.
To be clear: while I don't like the way he's gone about it, I'd have paid the guy by now.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 11, 2020, 12:37:00 PM
Bell thinks Adams wants to stay with team after talking to him. (https://nypost.com/2020/07/10/leveon-bell-jamal-adams-still-wants-to-be-with-jets/)
Post by: Johnny English on July 11, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
FWIW:
Bell thinks Adams wants to stay with team after talking to him. (https://nypost.com/2020/07/10/leveon-bell-jamal-adams-still-wants-to-be-with-jets/)
Good. I agree with Bell. freaking pay the man. You're not setting an unreasonable precedent - he's an elite player, arguably the most standout talent we've had at any position since Revis. Anyone not demonstrating the same level of ability as Jamal can freak off if they try and pull the same stunt, but we should be doing everything necessary to make this guy a Jet for a very long time.
Post by: MBGreen on July 11, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 11, 2020, 01:08:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2020, 03:43:55 PM
It'll be interesting if there is some movement on the players requesting a spread of the 2020 COVID losses over 10 years. If that happens and there is all of a sudden some clarity on the cap for next year, you may see the Jets make an offer this year.
Doubt it
Not only does Adams want to get paid while under team control for 3 years, he wants the kind of deal you probably still wouldn't get as an UFA.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 11, 2020, 04:43:03 PM
Doubt itIf you've ever sold a house (I have), you propose an offer knowing you will accept lower if need be.
Not only does Adams want to get paid while under team control for 3 years, he wants the kind of deal you probably still wouldn't get as an UFA.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2020, 06:42:11 PM
If you've ever sold a house (I have), you propose an offer knowing you will accept lower if need be.
Yeah but I don't put up my house for a million if I'm willing to accept 700,000.
The Jets literally hold all the cards. The only way Jamal should get an extension is if it's a very reasonable and team friendly one.
I think the ceiling for any Adams contract should basically be the absolute bare minimum over Eddie Jackson just to satisfy his ego. Especially considering we have Adams under team control for one more year than the bears did Jackson, and safety is one of the few positions we actually have good depth at. And the only way I'm good with that for Adams is if we still get to exercise his 5th year rookie option and basically spread the cap hit over 6 years.
Post by: Johnny English on July 11, 2020, 06:56:28 PM
Yeah but I don't put up my house for a million if I'm willing to accept 700,000.
That's literally how you sell houses. And in fact pretty much everything in a non-retail environment. Every business has a list price for its product, and every business is willing to negotiate on that list price. Think of each player as an individual business, with a product to offer (their play).
The Jets literally hold all the cards. The only way Jamal should get an extension is if it's a very reasonable and team friendly one.
Well, they don't. Jamal holds the nuclear option, which is "freak you I'm not playing". It hurts him as much or more as it does the Jets, but it still hurts us plenty.
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I think the ceiling for any Adams contract should basically be the absolute bare minimum over Eddie Jackson just to satisfy his ego. Especially considering we have Adams under team control for one more year than the bears did Jackson, and safety is one of the few positions we actually have good depth at. And the only way I'm good with that for Adams is if we still get to exercise his 5th year rookie option and basically spread the cap hit over 6 years.
I agree that Jackson is probably a good negotiation point, that Jamal is worth a bit more, and that we should be spreading the cap hit as best we can. Pretty sure Jamal doesn't care what we do with the cap hit. He wants to get paid and he knows he's good enough to demand it. The headscratcher is that the Jets think an extra year of cheap Jamal is worth fighting for at the likely cost of us having his career.
Post by: klaximilian on July 11, 2020, 07:06:41 PM
Well, they don't. Jamal holds the nuclear option, which is "freak you I'm not playing". It hurts him as much or more as it does the Jets, but it still hurts us plenty.
So he'd essential be nuking himself with the knowledge that the Jets would also get somewhat caught up in the nuclear aftermath.
Not so much the wisest negotiating/business tactic.
Post by: Johnny English on July 11, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
So he'd essential be nuking himself with the knowledge that the Jets would also get somewhat caught up in the nuclear aftermath.
Not so much the wisest negotiating/business tactic.
Of course not, although it worked for Bell. My point was that the Jets do not "literally hold all the cards".
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2020, 07:14:26 PM
That's literally how you sell houses. And in fact pretty much everything in a non-retail environment. Every business has a list price for its product, and every business is willing to negotiate on that list price. Think of each player as an individual business, with a product to offer (their play).
Well, they don't. Jamal holds the nuclear option, which is "freak you I'm not playing". It hurts him as much or more as it does the Jets, but it still hurts us plenty.
I agree that Jackson is probably a good negotiation point, that Jamal is worth a bit more, and that we should be spreading the cap hit as best we can. Pretty sure Jamal doesn't care what we do with the cap hit. He wants to get paid and he knows he's good enough to demand it. The headscratcher is that the Jets think an extra year of cheap Jamal is worth fighting for at the likely cost of us having his career.
How many people have you known accept an offer for a house more than 25 to 30% off the listing price?
Sure you take offers less than asking, but if someone's asking price is batshit crazy you put everyone off.
And Jamals demands are freaking insane.
And Jamals freak you I'm not playing hurts him WAY WAY more than the Jets.
He's under team control for 3 years. And he's made relatively paltry earnings in the grand scheme of his career.
Sure he will walk away with a few million, but he'd be leaving probably close to 10 times more than be made on the table.
The Jets on the other hand would hurt losing a player of his calibur, but we already have a potential replacement on the roster.
He can cut off one of the Jets fingers, but the price he would pay would be losing both his legs
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 11, 2020, 08:08:01 PM
How many people have you known accept an offer for a house more than 25 to 30% off the listing price?
Sure you take offers less than asking, but if someone's asking price is batshit crazy you put everyone off.
And Jamals demands are freaking insane.
And Jamals freak you I'm not playing hurts him WAY WAY more than the Jets.
He's under team control for 3 years. And he's made relatively paltry earnings in the grand scheme of his career.
Sure he will walk away with a few million, but he'd be leaving probably close to 10 times more than be made on the table.
The Jets on the other hand would hurt losing a player of his calibur, but we already have a potential replacement on the roster.
He can cut off one of the Jets fingers, but the price he would pay would be losing both his legs
TMW DCM unknowingly figures out why Jamal is is so upset with his contract.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2020, 11:10:20 PM
TMW DCM unknowingly figures out why Jamal is is so upset with his contract.
That damned NFL CBA unfairly singling out Jamal giving him a uniquely inexpensive rookie contract.
It's probably because they're racist and his name is Jamal.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 12, 2020, 02:40:55 AM
The Jets owe it to him and themselves to listen to what he wants in a contract. The Jets have a ton of leverage, so they don't have to do anything.
But if Jamal is desperate enough, he can play dirty by sitting out or causing internal issues. I don't think he will, which is why the Jets probably won't budge, but if Jamal is so desperate to get paid right now, he can do things to try to make that happen. Demanding a trade to a team that he thinks will pay him is one way to do it. Sitting out is another. Pulling a Jalen Ramsey and faking injuries and being a pain in the derriere is another. I can't blame him for trying to get paid. I don't like the way he's gone about it, but I assume he will play like his normal self this year regardless.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 12, 2020, 07:37:03 AM
Okay, but that doesn't change the fact he still hasn't made much money and he's severely outplayed his contract.
The Jets owe it to him and themselves to listen to what he wants in a contract. The Jets have a ton of leverage, so they don't have to do anything.
But if Jamal is desperate enough, he can play dirty by sitting out or causing internal issues. I don't think he will, which is why the Jets probably won't budge, but if Jamal is so desperate to get paid right now, he can do things to try to make that happen. Demanding a trade to a team that he thinks will pay him is one way to do it. Sitting out is another. Pulling a Jalen Ramsey and faking injuries and being a pain in the derriere is another. I can't blame him for trying to get paid. I don't like the way he's gone about it, but I assume he will play like his normal self this year regardless.
That's the point of the cba, every player follows the same rules. And good rookies will outplay their rookie contracts. Far better dudes haven't gotten new contracts paying them a bajillion dollars either.
Lamar Jackson was literally the MVP and is a QB last year. Sure he got drafted a year after Adams, but you don't see him crying that he deserves to be paid like the most valuable player in the league and that he wants a 10 year contract like Mahomes.
Adams has outplayed his contract, but he sure as freak hasn't earned the one he wants
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 12, 2020, 10:52:36 PM
My personal theory is that the front office fully intended on offering Adams a contract extension following the draft but then the pandemic happened forcing the team to revise/delay those plans. Joe Douglas then either communicated this to Adams or didn't (I'm more inclined to believe that he did because I don't think he's incompetent), leading Adams to become upset (believing he was misled) and to throw a tantrum on social media (ultimately requesting a trade to demonstrate just how upset he was). Douglas then spoke to him again to calm him down (as did some of his teammates apparently) and that's why he's been relatively quiet ever since.
Post by: insanity on July 14, 2020, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 14, 2020, 02:26:55 PM
With Mahomes and now Garrett signing extensions it is going to be harder to tell Adams he can't get an extension this year.
i don't think it should be harder given that those 2 players play at more premium and important positions than jamal does, but i still want him to get re-signed
i believe it was JE that said it initially; despite the tantrum he's thrown, it wouldn't set a poor precedent to give jamal his money. our organization unfortunately comes across a player of jamal's calibre once every 10-15 years, and if any other player tries to pull this excrement, it will likely be much easier to cut ties with them than it will be with jamal, given that that player will likely not be as good as jamal
if sam comes good and deserves a payday then we won't be fvckin around with the face of our organization like that anyways RE contractual negotiations, and we don't have a premium pass rusher to worry about paying. we haven't had one of those in 15 years
Post by: Heismanberg on July 14, 2020, 02:34:45 PM
With Mahomes and now Garrett signing extensions it is going to be harder to tell Adams he can't get an extension this year.
A former #1 overall pick that plays a premium position and an NFL MVP and Super Champion QB getting extensions has nothing to do with Jamal Adams.
If he thinks so, he's delusional.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 14, 2020, 03:57:04 PM
A former #1 overall pick that plays a premium position and an NFL MVP and Super Champion QB getting extensions has nothing to do with Jamal Adams.
If he thinks so, he's delusional.
If the reasoning Jamal has gotten from the Jets is that they can’t do a deal because Covid might screw with the cap, then it does.
Post by: insanity on July 14, 2020, 05:27:52 PM
If the reasoning Jamal has gotten from the Jets is that they can’t do a deal because Covid might screw with the cap, then it does.Correct, that was my point
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2020, 06:17:46 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2020, 12:58:33 AM
If I'm understanding this correctly, Garrett signed an extension. That means he's still playing out the fourth year of his rookie contract, he's just got a excrement ton of money waiting for him the year after. I'm sure that some of it will be accelerated, but why wouldn't we want to do this with Jamal?
Because he's under team control for the next 3 years.
I don't know if you remember the last two mega contracts we gave to home grown best players on the team. But both of them worked out incredibly poorly for us.
So there's a very clear and obvious precedent that suggests that there is and can be a great deal of risk in giving out huge contracts. Especially to do so years in advance
The potential downsides of such a contract for Adams are numerous (overpaying, injury risk, him being a malcontent, butt hurt about losing, losing motivation etc)
The potential upsides? It strokes his penis and makes him feel better?
From a football standpoint the only freaking reason you extend Jamal right now is if it's on very favorable terms for the tem.
To give him a huge apology contract for no obvious other reason is just being a bad GM
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2020, 07:28:20 AM
Because he's under team control for the next 3 years.
I don't know if you remember the last two mega contracts we gave to home grown best players on the team. But both of them worked out incredibly poorly for us.
So there's a very clear and obvious precedent that suggests that there is and can be a great deal of risk in giving out huge contracts. Especially to do so years in advance
The potential downsides of such a contract for Adams are numerous (overpaying, injury risk, him being a malcontent, butt hurt about losing, losing motivation etc)
The potential upsides? It strokes his penis and makes him feel better?
From a football standpoint the only freaking reason you extend Jamal right now is if it's on very favorable terms for the tem.
To give him a huge apology contract for no obvious other reason is just being a bad GM
I'm often not sure whether you post what you do simply to fulfil the online caricature you've invented for yourself, or if you're actually that dumb.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2020, 07:35:16 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2020, 07:40:30 AM
I'm often not sure whether you post what you do simply to fulfil the online caricature you've invented for yourself, or if you're actually that dumb.
Good argument on why we should set a precedent with mostly downside and little upside
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2020, 08:20:14 AM
Good argument on why we should set a precedent with mostly downside and little upside
I've already made it very clear why we should pay Adams, but there's no point rehashing the argument with someone who apparently doesn't watch football.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 16, 2020, 04:03:44 AM
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Yet another disincentive to skip training camp for players would be the league’s ability to strip players of an accrued season if they fail to show up for training camp on time or if they leave for more than five days. This is a huge difference from the rule currently on the table, which only requires that a player under contract show up within 30 days of the team’s first game.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 04:12:10 AM
It wouldn't count as an accrued season anymore. The rules changed. He won't hold outI didn't know that. Thanks.
Post by: Gorilla on July 16, 2020, 06:44:28 PM
I'm often not sure whether you post what you do simply to fulfil the online caricature you've invented for yourself, or if you're actually that dumb.
Lol, I think he's just leaning into his role in this tiny sliver of the internet as a forum jester/punching bag, and it somehow gives him a bit of purpose and provides us with some chuckles. Lord bless him, we all need hobbies, and sometimes the hobby is low-level trolling.
He might also be a wall-licking dumbfuck, I'm not positive.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 06:46:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 16, 2020, 06:47:29 PM
Let's send Jamal to the Redskins now.To be sexually harassed?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
To be sexually harassed?He does have an derriere like a wagon.
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
He does have an derriere like a wagon.The Washington Wagons
Post by: Libero_2 on July 17, 2020, 09:43:18 AM
The Washington Wagons
I'm not sure that works...
Because supposedly, nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 17, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
Post by: delavan on July 18, 2020, 12:32:14 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 18, 2020, 08:21:06 PM
'the slaughter house gang!'
Post by: Johnny English on July 18, 2020, 08:49:01 PM
the Pounding Fathers
This sounds like a particularly irreverent porn parody.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 19, 2020, 12:11:01 AM
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 07:18:14 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/24/jamal-adams-adam-gase-isnt-right-leader-for-jets/amp/
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 07:21:41 AM
We've entered dumpster fire territory
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/24/jamal-adams-adam-gase-isnt-right-leader-for-jets/amp/
Well that can't be true, I was told that it was Manish making things up, that Gase is fine, that he actually did really well last season, and that we should be giving him a chance.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 07:28:38 AM
We've entered dumpster fire territory
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/24/jamal-adams-adam-gase-isnt-right-leader-for-jets/amp/
Jamal Adams really wants out eh
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Post by: Libero_2 on July 24, 2020, 07:30:40 AM
We've entered dumpster fire territory
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/24/jamal-adams-adam-gase-isnt-right-leader-for-jets/amp/
This and the Woody Johnson tweets are more attempts to pee the leadership off in order to give in and just trade him.
That said I agree whole-heartedly with both his takes. Fire Gase and Make Woody sell the team are things I can get behind.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 07:40:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 07:42:29 AM
Jamal Adams is a great player but he is not a leader.
If he gets Gase fired and Woody to sell the team.....he should run against Trump. @Prez for President.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 07:43:12 AM
Jamal Adams is a great player but he is not a leader.
Neither is Adam Gase, but only one of those two is actually good at his job.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 07:43:21 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 07:45:58 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jamal-adams-trade-joe-douglas-contract-extension-20200724-vc6zwwpmjrepjii67hojt2t5ri-story.html
Manish whipping up a batch of excrement stew.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 07:52:33 AM
Manish whipping up a batch of excrement stew.
This whole thing has been spectacularly mishandled by the Jets. Douglas isn't exempted either.
We're going to watch the most talented player we've had in a decade walk out the door in exchange for a couple of draft picks because our entire organisation is run by clueless amateurs.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 08:03:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:04:58 AM
freak Adams. freak Manish and freak the Jets, in that order. Jamal is just toxic. I really want him out of the team... at the right price. I don’t buy the “he’s just frustrated and wants to win”, anymore. freaking moron.
Did you read the full Daily News article? freak Gase, freak Douglas and freak the Johnsons, in whatever order you like. They're all making a royal freaking mess of this, and unlike Jamal none of them have ever demonstrated any ability to do their job to any level of acceptable competence.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:08:57 AM
We're going to watch the most talented player we've had in a decade
A strong safety/linebacker hybrid that undoubtedly went to Manish Mehta to create trouble within the organization.
Great, non-premium position player that has become a cancer to the organization.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 08:08:59 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:09:36 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:13:15 AM
So JE has already turned on Joe Douglas?
As I have been at pains to say about both Douglas and previous incumbents in the role, it takes time for a GM to be judged. I remember when you were all jerking yourselves raw about Idzik as well.
This was the first significant test of Douglas's tenure, and he is failing it badly. There is absolutely no doubt that Gase and the Johnsons are making it difficult for him, but it's clear that Douglas has played his own role in making things worse.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:14:07 AM
This was the first significant test of Douglas's tenure
No, it's not.
Free Agency and the NFL Draft were his first tests.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 08:14:36 AM
Did you read the full Daily News article? freak Gase, freak Douglas and freak the Johnsons, in whatever order you like. They're all making a royal freaking mess of this, and unlike Jamal none of them have ever demonstrated any ability to do their job to any level of acceptable competence.
I did. I buy 50% of it. He says a lot of bullshit in general. He’s obviously immature and doesn’t know how to handle emotions. He’s not even got to his fourth year. I’m not discharging Douglas and Gase of blame, but Adams is the biggest problem in this situation.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 08:14:42 AM
As I have been at pains to say about both Douglas and previous incumbents in the role, it takes time for a GM to be judged. I remember when you were all jerking yourselves raw about Idzik as well.
This was the first significant test of Douglas's tenure, and he is failing it badly. There is absolutely no doubt that Gase and the Johnsons are making it difficult for him, but it's clear that Douglas has played his own role in making things worse.
I disagree. The first significant test of Douglas's tenure was the draft, and we won't know if he hit that out of the park until we see how the players do on the field.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
I did. I buy 50% of it. He says a lot of bullshit in general. He’s obviously immature and doesn’t know how to handle emotions. He’s not even got to his fourth year. I’m not discharging Douglas and Gase of blame, but Adams is the biggest problem in this situation.
This is how I feel.
He is making this a bigger problem than it needs to be.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:16:33 AM
No, it's not.
Free Agency and the NFL Draft were his first tests.
Given we don't yet know how well he did in those, this is the first one upon which we can judge him. He's getting an F.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:17:03 AM
I did. I buy 50% of it. He says a lot of bullshit in general. He’s obviously immature and doesn’t know how to handle emotions. He’s not even got to his fourth year. I’m not discharging Douglas and Gase of blame, but Adams is the biggest problem in this situation.
You also thought Manish was making it up, and you were wrong then as well.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 08:18:41 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 08:19:37 AM
You also thought Manish was making it up, and you were wrong then as well.As well? As well of what?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:23:18 AM
As well? As well of what?
I buy 50% of it.
Player sits down with journalist and tells him, in his own words, exactly what has happened and not happened, why he's pissed off and why he wants out. "Yeah well I only believe 50% of it."
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:24:13 AM
He’s lost his sources ever since Maccagnan left the building. He hasn’t really been right since.
I judge cases in a case to case basis. Our FO has usually sucked but that’s irrelevant with this. On this particular one I don’t see how the hell the Jets are guilty of anything. He has 2 more years in his contract FFS. The season hasn’t even started. There was a freaking pandemic around. Sorry but it just doesn’t hold.
I don’t know how anyone in this world can think that this is somehow the Jets’ fault. We’re months away from the beginning of the season, the guy has two years on his contract and he’s been crying and whining in social networks for months now. His attitude is just ridiculous.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 08:25:23 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Here, let me help you along the journey:
I stand with what I said. Douglas could have handled it better but, for me, is Adams who has been in the wrong all this time. Ah, and Manish said that Gase was THE reason why Adams wanted out. He’s not, he wouldn’t have cared about Gase if he got paid. And that paints him entirely.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:27:51 AM
Jamal Adams questioning someone's leadership after acting like a child all offseason is incredibly ironic.
It's funny that you love putting the boot into Adams for failing to be a leader despite him being a player still on his rookie contract, and yet continue to excuse Gase for the same failing despite him being a veteran coach whose actual job it is to be a leader.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 08:32:32 AM
It's funny that you love putting the boot into Adams for failing to be a leader despite him being a player still on his rookie contract, and yet continue to excuse Gase for the same failing despite him being a veteran coach whose actual job it is to be a leader.
Boom
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Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:36:36 AM
It's funny that you love putting the boot into Adams for failing to be a leader despite him being a player still on his rookie contract, and yet continue to excuse Gase for the same failing despite him being a veteran coach whose actual job it is to be a leader.
It's also not Adam Gase's job to handle contract situations.
Jamal Adams calls himself a leader and a captain all the time, but when has he acted like one this offseason? He's acted selfishly since the season ended.
No one has excused Gase or Douglas from this situation, but Adams is more at fault than anyone.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:40:47 AM
Adams wants things his way and he doesn't deserve that. He's literally complaining about Adam Gase not making speeches at halftime. That's not how football actually works. You meet with your position coaches to fix the problem and get back out there.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
It's also not Adam Gase's job to handle contract situations.
No, that's Douglas's, and you're defending him as well. It is Gase's job as head coach though to manage player psychology, and he hasn't spoken to the best player on the team since his exit interview in January.
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Jamal Adams calls himself a leader and a captain all the time, but when has he acted like one this offseason? He's acted selfishly since the season ended.
Has he been on the field or in the locker room this offseason? Because that's where he's expected to be a leader, and he has yet to fail at that. He's getting treated like excrement by a shambolic club staffed by imbeciles who are all apparently incapable of delivering on the most basic requirements of their role. I don't give a freak what he calls himself on Twitter, stringing him along with promises of a contract offer that don't materialise and failing to even pick up the phone to talk to him are inexcusable failures.
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 08:42:45 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jamal-adams-trade-joe-douglas-contract-extension-20200724-vc6zwwpmjrepjii67hojt2t5ri-story.htmlAt least it sounds like he won't hold out.
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 08:45:25 AM
Ah, and Manish said that Gase was THE reason why Adams wanted out. He’s not, he wouldn’t have cared about Gase if he got paid. And that paints him entirely.
Good point.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:45:33 AM
No, that's Douglas's, and you're defending him as well. It is Gase's job as head coach though to manage player psychology, and he hasn't spoken to the best player on the team since his exit interview in January.
I am definitely defending Joe Douglas and he hasn't done anything wrong. Jamal Adams is under contract.
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Has he been on the field or in the locker room this offseason?
He should be expected to lead at all times if he wants to be one of the highest paid players in the NFL.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:46:17 AM
Good point.
It's a great point.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:48:54 AM
MANISH MEHTA
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:50:00 AM
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Mathieu_Era: You can bring your value down by dragging others down.
I wonder who this is about...
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 08:51:13 AM
I wonder who this is about...Todd Bowles obviously
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 08:51:46 AM
I wonder who this is about...
Tough Shop Loggains
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
It's a great point.
It is if your starting point is "how can I make sure that Gase and Douglas are held absolutely blameless in this mess they've made?" As has been discussed ad nauseam in this thread, if the team were well run and/or successful then Adams probably wouldn't have started asking for a new contract at this stage. His position is that if he's going to be stuck on this shambles of a franchise working for these clowns, then he wants big money to do so - hence the story about him being willing to play out his rookie deal for the right team.
So yes, if he got his big contract then he probably wouldn't be complaining about Gase, because he'd be getting paid to put up with him. Gase isn't an excuse for wanting out, he's one of the main reasons.
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 08:56:56 AM
Siding with a player that sought out Manish Mehta to smear the head coach, general manager, and franchise that he wants an ungodly amount of money from is something I wish I was surprised by.I'd still rather see Adams paid and Gase fired fwiw
MANISH MEHTA
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 08:57:47 AM
I'd still rather see Adams paid and Gase fired fwiw
this
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:58:50 AM
I want no part of Jamal Adams on this team anymore.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 09:05:29 AM
I'd rather trade Adams and move on from Gase at this point
I want no part of Jamal Adams on this team anymore.
We won't be moving on from Gase until this team is completely devoid of talent and Darnold is ruined. Become wrath.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 09:06:22 AM
I'd rather trade Adams and move on from Gase at this point
I want no part of Jamal Adams on this team anymore.
Same here. Get the right value for him and good riddance.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 09:11:15 AM
It is if your starting point is "how can I make sure that Gase and Douglas are held absolutely blameless in this mess they've made?”
Man, if you could pin Covid on Gase, you would. I think it’s quite clear that nobody wants him here, so let’s get that out of our systems. In this case, I’m sorry but he’s the one with the least blame. He sucks but Adams would have perfectly played for him, he’s made that point abundantly clear. As for the rest of the blame we can agree to disagree, but that doesn’t make Adams less of a toxic figure on this team.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 24, 2020, 09:20:58 AM
I'd still rather see Adams paid and Gase fired fwiw
I agree with this message
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 24, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
I'd rather trade Adams and move on from Gase at this point
I want no part of Jamal Adams on this team anymore.
Welcome aboard...we've been expecting you
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 09:43:44 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 11:36:55 AM
It is if your starting point is "how can I make sure that Gase and Douglas are held absolutely blameless in this mess they've made?" As has been discussed ad nauseam in this thread, if the team were well run and/or successful then Adams probably wouldn't have started asking for a new contract at this stage. His position is that if he's going to be stuck on this shambles of a franchise working for these clowns, then he wants big money to do so - hence the story about him being willing to play out his rookie deal for the right team.
So yes, if he got his big contract then he probably wouldn't be complaining about Gase, because he'd be getting paid to put up with him. Gase isn't an excuse for wanting out, he's one of the main reasons.
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Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 11:40:39 AM
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Well.... yeah. That's pretty much exactly my point.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 12:04:59 PM
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1286661205868908546?s=21
Post by: Ornstein on July 24, 2020, 12:07:00 PM
I can tolerate one poopchute on the team if he has elite talent.
If the coach is actually doing his job we wouldn't even hear about dirty laundry like this publicly. Tomlin was able to reign in Brown for years and we didn't see what a circus he really was till he went to Oakland.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
It's one thing to be so clueless about football that you're incapable of hiring good staff, but to be so excrement at running a business that you can't make money from owning an NFL team? Just freaking sell already.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 24, 2020, 12:16:36 PM
Id really like if Adams didn’t have to go through the media to make his point, but his alternative is shutting up and playing football for the next 2 years for a losing team with a shithead of a coach with serious doubts of a long term future here. Joe Douglas exacerbated this via the trade deadline last year and then saying Jamal would be a “Jet for life”, that they were opening contract negotiations, and then ghosting him for months and re-neging on the contract negotiation.
A lot of us thought/think that Gase is a excrement person and a excrement coach. Jamal confirming it isn’t mindblowing unless you’re a Jets homer.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 24, 2020, 12:29:23 PM
mAnIsH iS mAkInG iT uP
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1286661205868908546?s=21
You clearly hacked Adam's Twitter account and made that post to perpetuate your anti-Gase agenda
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 12:40:56 PM
mAnIsH iS mAkInG iT uP
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1286661205868908546?s=21
Who said that?
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Who said that?Logan Ryan
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Who said that?
He’s lost his sources ever since Maccagnan left the building. He hasn’t really been right since.
Post by: Ornstein on July 24, 2020, 01:02:42 PM
Also, let's not ignore the fact that the Jets apparently have cashflow issues that are influencing contract decisions.
It's one thing to be so clueless about football that you're incapable of hiring good staff, but to be so excrement at running a business that you can't make money from owning an NFL team? Just freaking sell already.
I'm pretty sure Chris Johnson just had enough with over paying for talent and getting back nothing in return for it. Look at the awful shitty contracts Maccagnan gave out in his short time here. Wilkerson, Trumaine Johnson, Bell, Mosley, Enunwa all got paid and we got nothing out of any of them. So I understand his limiting what the team is spending these days. Unfortunately Chris Johnson doesn't know much about making good decisions for a football team so it seems so him putting the kill on paying Jamal will probably cause a rift between Jamal and the organization which will never be repaired, especially when you consider Adams has the maturity of a preteen.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
I'm pretty sure Chris Johnson just had enough with over paying for talent and getting back nothing in return for it. Look at the awful shitty contracts Maccagnan gave out in his short time here. Wilkerson, Trumaine Johnson, Bell, Mosley, Enunwa all got paid and we got nothing out of any of them. So I understand his limiting what the team is spending these days. Unfortunately Chris Johnson doesn't know much about making good decisions for a football team so it seems so him putting the kill on paying Jamal will probably cause a rift between Jamal and the organization which will never be repaired, especially when you consider Adams has the maturity of a preteen.
"Sorry Jamal, but Trumaine had your money".
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
FFS, we just had a freaking two page discussion about it! I know you're not dumb so your anti Gase feelings just blind you so I'm not gonna reply to you anymore about this subject. Enjoy your rage.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:09:42 PM
FFS, we just had a freaking two page discussion about it! I know you're not dumb so your anti Gase feelings just blind you so I'm not gonna reply to you anymore about this subject. Enjoy your rage.
All his sources left the building and he hasn't got anything right except for when his source is the actual player himself and he's telling everything exactly as it is.
Mehta is telling you that the players don't like Gase and the player is saying he doesn't like Gase and your view is that it's all just made up and they're lying and it's not actually true.
Got it.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 01:23:50 PM
All his sources left the building and he hasn't got anything right except for when his source is the actual player himself and he's telling everything exactly as it is.
Mehta is telling you that the players don't like Gase and the player is saying he doesn't like Gase and your view is that it's all just made up and they're lying and it's not actually true.
Got it.
I did not say that. I said a couple of months ago that all of Manish's sources left the building and it seemed to be true because he was getting a lot of excrement wrong. When I said that, it was because he published that Adams was leaving the team because of Gase, which is just not true. You're trying to be a dickhead just to be right. So be it. You're right in everything. Adams is just a victim of the circumstances, everyone else is an idiot and sucks, including me. Happy now?
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
When I said that, it was because he published that Adams was leaving the team because of Gase, which is just not true.
Except.... it is. Unless you're saying that Adams is lying about his own motivations, in which case I have to ask why you think Adams would publicly say that he's leaving because he doesn't believe in Gase if it isn't true?
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 01:28:27 PM
Except.... it is. Unless you're saying that Adams is lying about his own motivations, in which case I have to ask why you think Adams would publicly say that he's leaving because he doesn't believe in Gase if it isn't true?
I think Adams is at the point where he'll say anything to get out of NY.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:32:58 PM
I think Adams is at the point where he'll say anything to get out of NY.
All he has to say is "I want a trade out of the team, I'm not happy about how much I'm getting paid and I want a trade to a better team who will pay me". There's literally zero mileage in saying "I want out because the head coach is no good", it's not going to accelerate his departure and it's not going to improve his chances of getting a big deal somewhere else.
I feel like contorting yourself into justifying a reason for him saying this other than it actually being true is a weirdly perverse view. Manish said it a couple of months ago, people screamed about how it wasn't true because Manish, now Jamal comes out and says "actually it is true" and people are still trying to convince themselves that it's not because.... reasons?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 01:33:56 PM
Except.... it is. Unless you're saying that Adams is lying about his own motivations, in which case I have to ask why you think Adams would publicly say that he's leaving because he doesn't believe in Gase if it isn't true?
He's leaving because he's not getting paid. He's been abundantly clear about that. Of course, it doesn't help that the coach sucks, but he would play for him regardless if he were paid. The thing is, I already said that like 20 posts ago, and you replied. Did you just forget?
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
All he has to say is "I want a trade out of the team, I'm not happy about how much I'm getting paid and I want a trade to a better team who will pay me". There's literally zero mileage in saying "I want out because the head coach is no good", it's not going to accelerate his departure and it's not going to improve his chances of getting a big deal somewhere else.
I feel like contorting yourself into justifying a reason for him saying this other than it actually being true is a weirdly perverse view. Manish said it a couple of months ago, people screamed about how it wasn't true because Manish, now Jamal comes out and says "actually it is true" and people are still trying to convince themselves that it's not because.... reasons?
He's been saying this for weeks now. He's taking it to the next level.
I'm not saying it's true or not true...I'm not in the room. I'm just saying I believe Adams is at the point where he'll join the klu klux klan if it meant a trade out of new york.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
All he has to say is "I want a trade out of the team, I'm not happy about how much I'm getting paid and I want a trade to a better team who will pay me". There's literally zero mileage in saying "I want out because the head coach is no good", it's not going to accelerate his departure and it's not going to improve his chances of getting a big deal somewhere else.
EXACTLY. And that's the thing. He's not clever and he's not acting in any logical way. He's extremely selfish and just letting his emotions override him again. On the field that's great, off it, is extremely stupid. But that's the way he is. 🤷🏽♂️
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:42:34 PM
He's leaving because he's not getting paid. He's been abundantly clear about that. Of course, it doesn't help that the coach sucks, but he would play for him regardless if he were paid. The thing is, I already said that like 20 posts ago, and you replied. Did you just forget?
No. You appear to still be trying to argue that Adams isn't leaving because of Gase, despite the undeniably clear statement to the contrary. I'm not sure what you're struggling with here - he doesn't want to play on a excrement team with a excrement coach for rookie money. He has said that he will play on a good team with a good coach for rookie money, or for our excrement team with our excrement coach for big money. As we appear to be willing to fix neither problem, he wants out.
Let's summarise here: he's the best player on a playoff calibre defense that was continually let down by the worst offense in the league despite that being the head coach's department and supposed expertise. The head coach has made no effort to work with him or even talk to him, numerous players on that unit have been mistreated and/or alienated by said head coach, the prospects for this season aren't looking any better. He'd be willing to suck it up and wait for the inevitable dismissal of that head coach as long as the team pays him to once again spend a season putting the offense on his back and that of his defensive teammates, and the team indicated that they would do that and then ghosted him and strung him along.
And this is his fault somehow and nothing to do with Gase or Douglas?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 24, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 01:48:34 PM
The Johnsons probably have a lot more to do with this than anyone, but Adams and his agent have botched this.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
Jamal Adams is more at fault than any of the three.
The Johnsons probably have a lot more to do with this than anyone, but Adams and his agent have botched this.
No one has clean hands, but Adams is the only who comes out winning. Gase has been shown up once more as completely unsuited to the job he's in, Douglas has dropped the ball and will now be judged on what he gets in return as well as have to explain to other players both on the team and that he wants on the team why he couldn't look after an elite talent, the Johnsons look like cheap fucks uninterested in making their club successful despite being billionaires.
Meanwhile, Jamal's going to be on a better team with better coaching and more money.
Post by: insanity on July 24, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
(https://i.gifer.com/6g.gif)
great...now i'm annoyed AND erect.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 01:55:48 PM
great...now i'm annoyed AND erect.
A good anger jerk never hurt anyone.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 24, 2020, 01:57:29 PM
He's been saying this for weeks now. He's taking it to the next level.I agree.
I'm not saying it's true or not true...I'm not in the room. I'm just saying I believe Adams is at the point where he'll join the klu klux klan if it meant a trade out of new york.
He has come out and asked for a trade through the media. That hasnt worked. So now he is trying other things, through tweets on social media and now by throwing Gase under the bus. If that doesnt work, he will probably go after Douglas or the ownership.
Really disappointed Adams did this, but if he is going to be a malcontent, we might have to get rid of him, which would be a real shame.
It does put even more pressure on Gase. Between his mediocre track record, fan sentiment, and now this, he probably has an unofficial playoff mandate at this point.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
I agree.
He has come out and asked for a trade through the media. That hasnt worked. So now he is trying other things, through tweets on social media and now by throwing Gase under the bus. If that doesnt work, he will probably go after Douglas or the ownership.
Really disappointed Adams did this, but if he is going to be a malcontent, we might have to get rid of him, which would be a real shame.
It does put even more pressure on Gase. Between his mediocre track record, fan sentiment, and now this, he probably has an unofficial playoff mandate at this point.
i posted this gif a few pages back...it's the perfect illustration of where Adams is at in this situation
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SentimentalPowerfulHairstreak-size_restricted.gif)
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 24, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
Adams has handled this about as poorly as one could. He's almost certainly ruined his leadership status with the Jets locker room and needs to be traded at this point--both for his sake and ours.
Douglas should've handled this better. He's handled it very poorly. But the one thing I'll give him is that he's clearly hamstrung by the Johnsons.
Adam Gase is garbage. Both as a coach, and as a person. Let's stop with the giving him any benefit of the doubt at this point. Benefit of the doubt comes with either being completely new in a situation or having bought yourself clout in the past. Gase fits neither qualification.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 24, 2020, 02:56:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 02:59:08 PM
I agree.
He has come out and asked for a trade through the media. That hasnt worked. So now he is trying other things, through tweets on social media and now by throwing Gase under the bus. If that doesnt work, he will probably go after Douglas or the ownership.
Really disappointed Adams did this, but if he is going to be a malcontent, we might have to get rid of him, which would be a real shame.
It does put even more pressure on Gase. Between his mediocre track record, fan sentiment, and now this, he probably has an unofficial playoff mandate at this point.
Doesn't that lead to a rather obvious conclusion? Taking the best player from a poor team and putting additional pressure on an already poor coach to achieve even more than he already looks like he's going to be able to do leads us to the inevitable point of next April, where we have a new head coach and the picks that we got in exchange for Jamal, which won't be enough to get us a player as good as Jamal.
Or, we could just pay Jamal and fire Gase now, and then we'll go into the 22 season with Jamal Adams and a head coach who has already had a year to get things moving in the right direction.
Keeping Gase based upon your probably pretty reasonable surmise is the classic gambler's fallacy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2020, 03:18:39 PM
i posted this gif a few pages back...it's the perfect illustration of where Adams is at in this situation
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SentimentalPowerfulHairstreak-size_restricted.gif)
I call bullshit. George is dragging a championship trophy behind him.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 03:32:39 PM
Our best player needs to be Sam Darnold or we're likely going to suck. We need to get him all the help possible, and if trading Adams does that, so be it.
This team sucks because we can't block and we can't score points.
We've had solid defenses for as long as I can remember, and the team still usually sucks.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 24, 2020, 03:37:49 PM
He's been saying this for weeks now. He's taking it to the next level.
I'm not saying it's true or not true...I'm not in the room. I'm just saying I believe Adams is at the point where he'll join the klu klux klan if it meant a trade out of new york.
I said this a page or two ago...
Adams publically pissing on Gase and Woody Johnson are only going to influence those guys to want him out of the building. When the head coach and the owner come knocking on Douglas' door and say "get this guy the hell out of here" it's going to happen. Adams is absolutely making the play to get out of NY.
Whether he truly believes the things he is saying, no one can be sure, but he's definitely airing it publically to try and get the hell out of dodge. That much is definitely true.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 24, 2020, 03:45:25 PM
Douglas runs this team not freaking Jamal and someone needs to remind him or that. This isn't about Gase, this isn't about winning. This is about Jamal and his fragile little ego
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
I think Jamal needs to be benched for the season opener.
I stopped reading after this stinknugget.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 24, 2020, 07:55:38 PM
I think Jamal needs to be benched for the season opener.
Douglas runs this team not freaking Jamal and someone needs to remind him or that. This isn't about Gase, this isn't about winning. This is about Jamal and his fragile little ego
If we are going to keep him on the roster, then he needs to be on the field, that's the only benefit to Jamal Adams being a Jet right now.
I suspect that once TC begins, Jamal will be 'all football' / 'all business' and won't be bitching in the media. If that's true, by the time week 1 rolls around, it's not going to be at the forefront of the minds of people and he should be on the field.
Also Douglas doesn't 'run this team.' Like it or not, that's Gase's job. Douglas job is to build the team. Gase has to manage the players/egos and everything else and turn them into a cohesive unit.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 24, 2020, 08:16:22 PM
I stopped reading after this stinknugget.
Yet somehow you're still reading this thread currently on page 14
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 25, 2020, 08:18:38 AM
CJ Mosley needs to break Jamal's jaw
He might re-injure his groin doing that.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 25, 2020, 03:12:36 PM
Jets deal Jamal Adams and 4th-round pick in 2022
To
Seattle, in exchange for Bradley McDougald (safety), 1st-round pick in 2021, 3rd-round pick in 2021, and 1st-round pick in 2022, source tells ESPN.
Deal is pending physicals.
Per Schefter. Good riddance.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 25, 2020, 03:14:00 PM
Even when I knew JAbe was leaving I've never been more ok with shipping off an all-pro talent.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 03:16:39 PM
Post by: IATA on July 25, 2020, 03:17:37 PM
Dare I say...we got a good deal for once?
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2020, 03:19:25 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on July 25, 2020, 03:19:31 PM
Post by: Laxin on July 25, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2020, 03:21:24 PM
Sad the way things played out, but two 1sts and a 3rd is a strong haul.Two late firsts for the best player we've had in ten years is a excrement deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2020, 03:25:51 PM
Fire GaseIn two years he will have got Jamal traded and severely damaged Sam's development, and yet there will still be people defending him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 03:29:40 PM
I hate this, but this was the package we needed to get the deal done.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
Bravo big Doug!
And he traded Adams the furthest away from Texas as a final freak you. Well done
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 25, 2020, 03:35:04 PM
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 03:36:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:36:55 PM
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on July 25, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
To be clear:
He should look for a new contract, players don't last long and have every right to look for due compensation, so I am ok with that. I am not ok with how either side handled matters, they were both wrong but the Jets handled this about as bad as I ever saw. Good for them, maybe this is the bottom. I would say it can't get worse but with the absolute worst coach in the NFL, it probably will go further south.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 03:40:18 PM
The trade sucks, this entire organization sucks and needs to be burned to the ground. They did everything wrong here an I am kind of sick of them. I would have rather kept a homegrown superstar player than trade him for 2 back end 1st round picks that the team is going to freak up anyway. From what I have gathered the Jets did most everything wrong here, not that JA was in the right to not spout off. He brought a swagger to the team.Considering the return we got, this absolutely could have gone worse
To be clear:
He should look for a new contract, players don't last long and have every right to look for due compensation, so I am ok with that. I am not ok with how either side handled matters, they were both wrong but the Jets handled this about as bad as I ever saw. Good for them, maybe this is the bottom. I would say it can't get worse but with the absolute worst coach in the NFL, it probably will go further south.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 03:41:25 PM
The Jets weren't good enough to win a title this year barring everything going right. This sets us up great for the future if we can draft well.
The best way to build around a young QB is to win in his rookie contract. We aren't quite ready for that. The next-best way is to have a lot of young cost-controlled talent around him. If we draft well, we can get that. It gives us a ton of flexibility going forward, too.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 25, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 03:43:58 PM
Considering the return we got, this absolutely could have gone worseSeriously. When we shopped Jamal Adams at the trade deadline last year, this was the type of return that I would have been satisfied with. I still didn't want to do it then, but times have changed.
Since then, Adams has done everything he could to torpedo his trade value and try to take leverage away from the Jets. Instead, we got just as good a deal as I was willing to settle for 9 months ago before Jamal asked out and torched the organization and before a pandemic that could mess up the salary cap.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 03:44:21 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
It does suck and our team is considerably worse than it was yesterday. We still have a horrible owner and a horrible coach. That’s absolutely true and it’s very depressing. Now, Douglas could be a good one. Yeah, he probably fucked up the Adams situation, and I hope he learns from the experience, but he got a great haul from a very malcontent strong safety and kept with the idea of building a strong culture.Bingo
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:47:30 PM
Seriously. When we shopped Jamal Adams at the trade deadline last year, this was the type of return that I would have been satisfied with. I still didn't want to do it then, but times have changed.Every twitter putz was saying the starting bids should’ve been a 1st rounder and a 3rd pick....
Since then, Adams has done everything he could to torpedo his trade value and try to take leverage away from the Jets. Instead, we got just as good a deal as I was willing to settle for 9 months ago before Jamal asked out and torched the organization and before a pandemic that could mess up the salary cap.
Been saying since day 1 that 2 first rounders was the floor. Joe Douglas did well here...lets continue to build that offense in the draft.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 03:49:06 PM
And Jamal gets covid and aids
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:49:22 PM
Post by: insanity on July 25, 2020, 03:50:45 PM
Given the situation I couldn't be happier with the return.
Hate to see him go, but love to watch him leave...
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 03:50:55 PM
Another jersey moving to the back of my closetIt would be a prime burning candidate if there were games this year.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 03:51:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 03:54:13 PM
On the flip side the 1st rounder from Seattle this year is truly going to be a lottery ticket with how fucked up football will be at both the nfl and college levelYep. Teams could get ravaged by COVID. Lots of randomness this year. Odds are, Seattle will be very good this year and next, but you never know. Plus, there's always a chance a 31-32-year old 5'11" QB finally gets hurt behind a shaky line.
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 03:55:04 PM
Let’s freaking go, young bull.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 03:59:37 PM
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 04:00:20 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 04:02:27 PM
For the record my preferred outcome was still extending Adams and firing Gase. Bad precedents be damned.If we got this at the trade deadline last year, I would have been upset, but I would have understood. At this point, it's a great deal.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 25, 2020, 04:04:26 PM
Another jersey moving to the back of my closet
The only Jets’ jersey I have has my name in the back, and I don’t plan to switch teams anytime soon. 😂
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 04:08:25 PM
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Yesss we have ammunition to land a QB now
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 04:11:38 PM
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Post by: insanity on July 25, 2020, 04:12:43 PM
On the flip side the 1st rounder from Seattle this year is truly going to be a lottery ticket with how fucked up football will be at both the nfl and college levelThis is actually an interesting take. If college football doesnt happen, which is likely the case the drafting a good player becomes much harder
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 04:12:57 PM
Post by: insanity on July 25, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
freak PFF but interesting stats about BM
Post by: insanity on July 25, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Having all these picks should attract a good HC after Gase gets fired.Yessir
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 04:16:53 PM
This is actually an interesting take. If college football doesnt happen, which is likely the case the drafting a good player becomes much harder
That's a major concern of mine
But picks will be at a premium because of presumably unique cap restraints. And I'd imagine with Seattle likely picking late, it does increase the odds of what have been a top 10 draft pick falling to the end of the first since nobody could evaluate talent properly.
I'd rather have a pick in a normal year, but this is definitely uncertainty
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-safety-2020-nfl-season-minnesota-vikings-new-england-patriots
freak PFF but interesting stats about BM
So we got rid of a box safety, got a man coverage safety, and got a treasury of picks
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 04:26:25 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
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Manish Mehta
Jets have traded away five consecutive first-round picks from 2013-2017. Jamal Adams becomes the latest. None of those players got a second contract from NYJ.
July 25, 2020 5:12pm EDT
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 25, 2020, 04:44:25 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 25, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
When they didn't follow up on a co tract extension he got mad and posted about it on the internet. I didn't like seeing it but the amount of vitriol that followed it from the fan base was in no way in proportion.
The argument that he was being selfish by asking for an extension while under a rookie deal seems null when multiple players received extensions from the same draft class this off-season at different positions.
The ultimate point I cannot get passed is the anger expressed toward him because he wanted to get paid what he thought was his value and stay on this team his whole career.
We don't know for sure what he was asking for but we know that Adams said the team never even tried to negotiate with him and the front office has done little to refute this, only making public statements that seemed to kick the can further down the road.
This smacks of ownership meddling, something that has wasted this team's few opportunities at success since Woody Johnson purchased this team. I have no reason to think Joe Douglas was on board with the ownership plan but I have no reason to be unequivocally loyal to a guy who has been here for only one season after the cycle of hope to despair to anger back to hope we've had since Bradway was first demoted and then allowed to stay with the team for another decade. The last time we traded off a stellar secondary player we ultimately got nothing back for him in return. I don't see a reason to think that this won't happen again.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
The original reason Adams was upset at the tram was because he wanted to remain on the team for the rest of his career and the listened to trafe offers right after telling him they wanted him here forever.
When they didn't follow up on a co tract extension he got mad and posted about it on the internet. I didn't like seeing it but the amount of vitriol that followed it from the fan base was in no way in proportion.
The argument that he was being selfish by asking for an extension while under a rookie deal seems null when multiple players received extensions from the same draft class this off-season at different positions.
The ultimate point I cannot get passed is the anger expressed toward him because he wanted to get paid what he thought was his value and stay on this team his whole career.
We don't know for sure what he was asking for but we know that Adams said the team never even tried to negotiate with him and the front office has done little to refute this, only making public statements that seemed to kick the can further down the road.
This smacks of ownership meddling, something that has wasted this team's few opportunities at success since Woody Johnson purchased this team. I have no reason to think Joe Douglas was on board with the ownership plan but I have no reason to be unequivocally loyal to a guy who has been here for only one season after the cycle of hope to despair to anger back to hope we've had since Bradway was first demoted and then allowed to stay with the team for another decade. The last time we traded off a stellar secondary player we ultimately got nothing back for him in return. I don't see a reason to think that this won't happen again.
Except you know, he didn't want or need an extension to get traded. Nor will Seattle be giving him one this season
Jamal wanted a record setting contract as a strong safety, while under team control for 3 years, while there's talks about the salary cap getting slashed 70 million next year
Jamals a prissy bitch
Also you can't get the anger? Jets fans went through this exact freaking scenario pretty recently. It's the Revis situation all over. Best player on team, becomes delusional thinking they shouldn't be paid what their position is worth but views themself as a player that transcends the game. Starts acting like a premadonna and forces the team to trade them.
It's the Revis excrement all over again, fans can and should be angry towards Jamal. There's literally zero freaking reason Joe Douglas should have extended him, unless he wanted to bend over and take a team friendly deal. Instead he viewed himself as Tom Brady, Aaron Donald, and Khalil Mack
Post by: bojanglesman on July 25, 2020, 05:07:34 PM
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 05:07:49 PM
https://twitter.com/dbailey_18/status/1287146375826665472?s=19
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 25, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 05:16:05 PM
When they didn't follow up on a contract extension he got mad and posted about it on the internet. I didn't like seeing it but the amount of vitriol that followed it from the fan base was in no way in proportion.
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The ultimate point I cannot get past is the anger expressed toward him because he wanted to get paid what he thought was his value and stay on this team his whole career.
I hated this, when the situation still seemed salvageable in the fall, a vocal portion of the fan base just started going REEEEE freak YOU to Adams which probably didn't help. In general I don't like to pin things on people who don't have any control over the situation, but deluging a 24 year old's social media with so much hate was just incredibly stupid.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 05:18:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Prez/status/1287146154128367616?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 25, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 25, 2020, 05:25:06 PM
I hated this, when the situation still seemed salvageable in the fall, a vocal portion of the fan base just started going REEEEE freak YOU to Adams which probably didn't help. In general I don't like to pin things on people who don't have any control over the situation, but deluging a 24 year old's social media with so much hate was just incredibly stupid.
Exactly. I really don't get why the fans at any point decided to turn on him when he ultimately wanted to stay here for his career.
Great goodbye tweet from him. Better than a lot of Jets fans deserve.
Post by: MBGreen on July 25, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 05:38:16 PM
But Russell Wilson just had a new born child this week and has been extremely critical of the NFLs response to covid. If he opts out or something, this could turn into a helluva trade
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
I really don't get why the fans at any point decided to turn on him when he ultimately wanted to stay here for his career.
He was annoying on social media for most of this offseason, but I didn't want to see him traded until the Manish Mehta interview.
That was completely unprofessional and leaders should not go out of their way to smear their franchise.
It couldn't be fixed after he took shots at both Gase and Douglas. People overlooked the first tantrum he threw when someone leaked the Jets shopping him at last years deadline. He whined about Douglas then too.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 05:44:11 PM
Not to get too hopeful
But Russell Wilson just had a new born child this week and has been extremely critical of the NFLs response to covid. If he opts out or something, this could turn into a helluva trade
He's not opting out. That team is built to make a run.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
I hated this, when the situation still seemed salvageable in the fall, a vocal portion of the fan base just started going REEEEE freak YOU to Adams which probably didn't help. In general I don't like to pin things on people who don't have any control over the situation, but deluging a 24 year old's social media with so much hate was just incredibly stupid.Agreed, but that's social media for you. Jets fans are particularly bad, but every fanbase sucks if you look for the negatives. People were awfully quick to turn on him.
Jets fans always seem to support management when players want to get more money. Then when the players eventually get out, we lament how crappy management is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 06:36:53 PM
It would be a prime burning candidate if there were games this year.
Fans burning jerseys is almost always a self-own
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 06:37:24 PM
While the Jets might have some cap space, they aren't good enough to invest that much money into a non-premium position.
This team lacks talent at pass rusher and corner on defense and our offensive line and receivers are still a huge question mark.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1287126709637193740?s=19
“They're a couple drafts away from contending”
You could definitely find this same quote from the offseason they drafted Jamal
Post by: reuben on July 25, 2020, 07:06:18 PM
Everything about this offseason suggests Joe Douglas wants to be well-equipped with cap space and draft picks in 2021 and beyond while still protecting and developing Darnold. That's the right philosophy. Our success in the 20's depends on who we can lure in at HC, not who we can pay at SS.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 25, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 07:34:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
ASHTYN DAVIS SZN
Suddenly getting excited about the pick
Thoguh I'm extremely curious as to if we're going to try to extend Maye before the season
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 07:49:11 PM
We're going to miss Jamal's versatility a lot, but having a healthy CJ Mosley should help a lot in the front seven.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:07:06 PM
GO TF OFF, RICH!
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/83599/jets-eliminate-headache-set-up-future-by-trading-jamal-adamsWow. That was a great read.
GO TF OFF, RICH!
Under the circumstances, this was a terrific trade. I'm still annoyed we got this far, but this was always the type of offer it would require for the Jets to deal Adams. The fact we were still able to get it under these circumstances is a great job.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 25, 2020, 08:14:12 PM
Yuge haul. Almost the same compensation as the Raiders got for Khalil Mack. Russ gets hurt and this deal changes bigtime.
Replaced Jamal with a solid safety in the deal for this year. Not forced to start Davis or bring back Big Head.
PR nightmare solved. Distraction gone.
Cons:
Lost an elite safety.
I have a feeling Big Doug is gonna flip those firsts for a million other picks in the draft.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 25, 2020, 08:18:59 PM
Pros:
Yuge haul. Almost the same compensation as the Raiders got for Khalil Mack. Russ gets hurt and this deal changes bigtime.
Replaced Jamal with a solid safety in the deal for this year. Not forced to start Davis or bring back Big Head.
PR nightmare solved. Distraction gone.
Cons:
Lost an elite safety.
I have a feeling Big Doug is gonna flip those first for a million other picks in the draft.
Gase is still our coach
FYP
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:19:09 PM
Almost the same compensation as the Raiders got for Khalil Mack.
We actually got more than Oakland got for Khalil Mack.
Chicago gave up two firsts, a third, and a sixth for Mack, a future second, and a future fifth.
Seattle gave up two firsts, a third, and Bradley McDougald for Adams and a future fourth.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 25, 2020, 08:20:51 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/83599/jets-eliminate-headache-set-up-future-by-trading-jamal-adams
GO TF OFF, RICH!
It's rare that I can agree with Cimini, but his take is 100% spot on.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:22:36 PM
OT, WR, CB, EDGE
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 25, 2020, 08:24:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:26:49 PM
People screaming that Adams was a malcontent fail to realize that he was a perfect football player that our inept franchise ruined. One of the few players worth keeping around within the last 10 years, and we couldn’t figure out how to make it work.
Not sure how anyone can justify paying Jamal Adams north of $17M a season (before his rookie deal is up) when we have so many other holes on this roster.
He acted like an entitled punk the moment he didn't get his way. He isn't the only one at fault here, but like I said right after the trade went down, as soon as that Manish interview posted, it was all over.
Adams did that on his own.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 25, 2020, 08:27:37 PM
People screaming that Adams was a malcontent fail to realize that he was a model citizen until the trade deadline least year and a perfect football player that our inept franchise ruined. One of the few players worth keeping around within the last 10 years, and we couldn’t figure out how to make it work.
This is what the Jets do. Hoping beyond hope we don't ruin Darnold too...but always prepared for the worst with this franchise
Post by: bojanglesman on July 25, 2020, 08:27:45 PM
People screaming that Adams was a malcontent fail to realize that he was a model citizen until the trade deadline least year and a perfect football player that our inept franchise ruined. One of the few players worth keeping around within the last 10 years, and we couldn’t figure out how to make it work.True, but based on the current reality, this was a great trade. Duff would have flipped him for a 4th rounder and a punter.
Post by: reuben on July 25, 2020, 08:29:19 PM
People screaming that Adams was a malcontent fail to realize that he was a model citizen until the trade deadline least year
If he was a model citizen until the slightest of perceived insults and then became a vocal malcontent, he was never a model citizen.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:29:28 PM
Joe Douglas did extremely well here. This wasn't the first time Jamal Adams threw him under the bus either. He tried to after the 2019 NFL Trade Deadline. That was the start of all of this.
Entitled whiner with a loser's mentality. It was time to move on. He turned into a cancerous player, unfortunately.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:30:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
Not sure how anyone can justify paying Jamal Adams north of $17M a season (before his rookie deal is up) when we have so many other holes on this roster.
He acted like an entitled punk the moment he didn't get his way. He isn't the only one at fault here, but like I said right after the trade went down, as soon as that Manish interview posted, it was all over.
Adams did that on his own.
He started acting like a punk after he met with team leadership and they told him that he was part of their long term plans, and then a week later he heard from someone outside of the organization that he was being considered in a trade. The Jets didn’t have any loyalty to Jamal and at that point I can’t say I blame him for losing his patience with and loyalty to a poorly run organization that he had given his all for.
After the contract extension excrement, I don’t blame him for forcing his hand. Joe Douglas is an absolute clown for uttering the words “Jet for life” and then going about negotiations the way he did.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2020, 08:34:44 PM
He's not opting out. That team is built to make a run.Can we get someone to convince him God wants him to sit out this year?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:37:22 PM
Can we get someone to convince him God wants him to sit out this year?
We might be able to get Future to kneecap him
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:39:19 PM
Joe Douglas is an absolute clown for uttering the words “Jet for life” and then going about negotiations the way he did.
"The plan is for Jamal to be a Jet for Life"
Jamal then proceeds to excrement on JD, his head coach, and the multi-billionaire that owns the franchise that he wants a record-setting contract from.
Maybe the plan was to extend Jamal Adams eventually...he just didn't handle things the right way and it never got to that point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:40:23 PM
"The plan is for Jamal to be a Jet for Life"
Jamal then proceeds to excrement on JD, his head coach, and the multi-billionaire that owns the franchise that he wants a record-setting contract from.
Maybe the plan was to extend Jamal Adams eventually...he just didn't handle things the right way and it never got to that point.
Lmao that’s not what happened.
You skipped ahead like 4 months in the story.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:41:06 PM
Lmao that’s not what happened.
You skipped a giant plot line in the story.
Aside from Yannick Ngakoue arguing with Shad Khan on Twitter, whens the last time we've seen a player on a rookie deal publicly whine and bitch as much as Adams has in the last year?
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 25, 2020, 08:41:17 PM
Me-first
Le'Veon Bell's latest tweets seem to paint that picture too, behind the scenes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:43:40 PM
True, but based on the current reality, this was a great trade. Duff would have flipped him for a 4th rounder and a punter.
It was a good trade. Maybe we’re better off. It was still an absolute dumpster fire of a timeline to go from the 2019 trade deadline to today.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:44:42 PM
Aside from Yannick Ngakoue arguing with Shad Khan on Twitter, whens the last time we've seen a player on a rookie deal publicly whine and bitch as much as Adams has in the last year?
Odell Beckham, Jalen Ramsey
Also bitches
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:48:48 PM
Le'Veon Bell's latest tweets seem to paint that picture too, behind the scenes.
He still gets a pass from me for trying to get the Jets to sign Kliff Kingsbury (huge douche) over Adam Gase (talentless and incompetent coach)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
NFL careers are short and I would have no desire playing my prime years for a coach you know is terrible and a team that has shown zero ability to improve
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 25, 2020, 08:53:34 PM
Awful that it ever got to this point. This organization is poorly run apart from (possibly) Douglas.
Gase has to go. Then we can start talking about "rebuilding."
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 25, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
I would have started bitching on social media to get out of NY the minute the Jets were foolish enough to announce Gase as HC 🤷
NFL careers are short and I would have no desire playing my prime years for a coach you know is terrible and a team that has shown zero ability to improve
Remember how Adams, who posts on Twitter practically every day, went silent for days after Gase's hire?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
We actually got more than Oakland got for Khalil Mack.
Chicago gave up two firsts, a third, and a sixth for Mack, a future second, and a future fifth.
Seattle gave up two firsts, a third, and Bradley McDougald for Adams and a future fourth.
When you factor in how early/late in the first the draft picks will be, it's very likely Oakland got more than us by quite a bit
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 25, 2020, 09:46:59 PM
When you factor in how early/late in the first the draft picks will be, it's very likely Oakland got more than us by quite a bit
Well, those first rounders weren’t that high, they were 24 and 19 of their respective drafts. We might get the same or a bit worse, but not too much.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 25, 2020, 10:15:05 PM
it reeks something awful when you foster an environment where your best/most talented players, players that you've helped develop and are home grown no less, do not wish to stay with the team for the long term. it doesn't matter who is part of the regime or in charge, this continually happens to us, this isn't the first time, it happens with every regime. it happens every 2-4 years. it starts from the top
it's a good deal, but i don't care about the picks. i don't care who the picks will be or what they will become. jamal adams was one of those 'picks' in 2017. he turned into something great. jamal was 'a character guy at every level', 'a winner', etc blah blah blah who turned sour because of the culture and environment present around this franchise. i don't care about the picks. the end product of these picks 5 years from now will likelier be a trade away from us than it will be a super bowl. a competent organization doesn't let excrement get this bad once; it keeps happening to us and it's going to keep happening.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 10:17:56 PM
Well, those first rounders weren’t that high, they were 24 and 19 of their respective drafts. We might get the same or a bit worse, but not too much.
True but barring extremely bad luck id imagine we end up with like 26 and 30 or something like that
Of course this coming year is a ultimate crapshoot
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 25, 2020, 10:46:24 PM
It reeks something awful when you foster an environment where your best/most talented players, players that you've helped develop and are home grown no less, do not wish to stay with the team for the long term. it doesn't matter who is part of the regime or in charge, this continually happens to us, this isn't the first time, it happens with every regime. it happens every 2-4 years. it starts from the top
This is one if the points that has stuck with me through my years of rooting for the team. I remember Kareem McKenzie saying this explicitly after he signed with the Giants. The one common thread I can find is the Johnson family. Woody and Christopher Johnson are far too meddling as owners and are just generally some shady motherfuckers. I really want them out as owners.
Post by: insanity on July 25, 2020, 11:44:04 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MasterTes/status/1287177147258462209
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2020, 12:04:10 AM
What a freaking tool(https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/670465/santonio.jpg)
https://mobile.twitter.com/MasterTes/status/1287177147258462209
Post by: mj2sexay on July 26, 2020, 03:40:41 AM
Not my President.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 26, 2020, 04:34:42 AM
it reeks something awful when you foster an environment where your best/most talented players, players that you've helped develop and are home grown no less, do not wish to stay with the team for the long term. it doesn't matter who is part of the regime or in charge, this continually happens to us, this isn't the first time, it happens with every regime. it happens every 2-4 years. it starts from the top
And that's why I like what Joe Douglas wants to implement on this team. He has always talked about how important is to have the right culture. He chose a lot of team captains on the draft and when he's traded it's been for players who have also leadership traits and don't seem to be "me-first". Thats also why I wanted Jamal out almost since he started whining. We can hate Tom Brady and Bill Belichick all we want, but they have always put the team before the players. Brady has played for a lot less than his value would indicate (probably with under the table payments, but who cares). Same case for the Saints, same case for the Seahawks so far. Jamal is an amazing player and it was great to have him here, but you can't build around that emotional trainwreck (FTR, I think he'll do better in Seattle because he's not going to be one of the leaders there). Of course, you can't build around a horrendous, self absorbed coach but if we have the right core of players, and Douglas knows a bit of what he's doing, the next coach will have something good to build upon.
... Or Douglas will actually be excrement or resign in a year to go to the Dolphins, because we're the Jets, but I don't want to be slicing my wrists just yet.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 07:27:03 AM
Post by: insanity on July 26, 2020, 07:53:52 AM
Just pulled the trigger on a Curtis Martin jersey. I won't be burned again.Report from Manish is that Curtis Martin beats his kids
Post by: Coach K on July 26, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
pre COVID pre Mutiny , I thought 1st and 3rd is the best we could get . Joe Douglas is a great GM and he even got in McDlugald for 1 yr to be good depth amd help ease the transition of Ashtyn Davis into more playing time
We cant replace Jamal Adams, but we now have the pieces to be a better and more complete team.without him .
Plain and simple
SEA sucks at 1st rd drafting and have a 3 year window of Wilson's prime
Its a win win for both
Post by: Coach K on July 26, 2020, 07:58:30 AM
Just pulled the trigger on a Curtis Martin jersey. I won't be burned again.
Martin and Kris Jenkins were the only 2 I've ever bought lol
Post by: IATA on July 26, 2020, 08:23:37 AM
@TakeAwayTre_
Level 1:
You told me this was gonna happen 2 weeks ago,
@Prez
Congrats brotha go do you and get what you deserve !!! No state taxes btw Eyes lucky derriere Face with tears of joyFace with tears of joyFace with tears of joy
adams has been lying to his former teammates for a while now. freak this guy
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 08:24:13 AM
I hate the ownership and our HC is a fraud. But our GM is legit.
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 09:10:37 AM
Joe Douglas, agent whisperer.
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Good fuckin riddance. The compensation is also out of this world. JE's comments about this being Douglas' first real test as a GM, I'd say he has passed with flying colors given the hand and dance partner he has had to deal with.
"I know you got shitfaced drunk and drove my beautiful car into a wall, but you did a terrific job in negotiating with the insurance company afterwards. Great job!"
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 09:55:28 AM
"I know you got shitfaced drunk and drove my beautiful car into a wall, but you did a terrific job in negotiating with the insurance company afterwards. Great job!"That’s the booze talkin’
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 10:02:45 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 26, 2020, 10:21:44 AM
Report from Manish is that Curtis Martin beats his kids
If there's a story that could sever my last lingering faith in humanity.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 26, 2020, 10:24:18 AM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 26, 2020, 11:15:52 AM
"I know you got shitfaced drunk and drove my beautiful car into a wall, but you did a terrific job in negotiating with the insurance company afterwards. Great job!"Only in this case it was Jamal driving and Douglas merely in the passenger seat.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2020, 01:27:41 PM
1
1 (SEA)
2
3
3 (SEA)
4
5
5 (NYG)
6
7
.............
I bet this ultimately becomes something like this:
1
1
2
3
3
3
4
4
5
5
6
6
Plus a couple of mid rounders for 2022
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2020, 02:01:25 PM
#Jets picks for 2021 draft:
1
1 (SEA)
2
3
3 (SEA)
4
5
5 (NYG)
6
7
.............
I bet this ultimately becomes something like this:
1
1
2
3
3
3
4
4
5
5
6
6
Plus a couple of mid rounders for 2022
If you wanna restock the cupboards that’s what we need to do, then we need to hit on 75% of those picks
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 02:04:36 PM
If you wanna restock the cupboards that’s what we need to do, then we need to hit on 75% of those picks
If we get really lucky, we might even find a player who's half as talented as Jamal Adams.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2020, 02:17:03 PM
If we get really lucky, we might even find a player who's half as talented as Jamal Adams.
I get you are pissed we traded the best player we’ve had in a decade. But given where things were yesterday morning what was the best outcome you envisioned?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 02:32:33 PM
I get you are pissed we traded the best player we’ve had in a decade. But given where things were yesterday morning what was the best outcome you envisioned?
Gase being launched into space and Adams being signed to a lifetime contract
I'm assuming something along those lines...
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 02:46:37 PM
Gase being launched into space and Adams being signed to a lifetime contract
I'm assuming something along those lines...
Pretty much exactly, yes. I fail to see the point of watching another season of Gaseball when the outcome is inevitable and known to us all. I also fail to see the value of getting rid of our best player. All of things that this team does seem to be specifically designed to ensure that we fail to make progress.
We're now talking about the prospect of replacing Darnold at the end of this season if they excrement the bed, and yet people are still saying that we shouldn't be firing Gase and that he somehow deserves another season. This fanbase is freaking insane.
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
Pretty much exactly, yes. I fail to see the point of watching another season of Gaseball when the outcome is inevitable and known to us all. I also fail to see the value of getting rid of our best player. All of things that this team does seem to be specifically designed to ensure that we fail to make progress.Darnold isn’t going anywhere after the season
We're now talking about the prospect of replacing Darnold at the end of this season if they excrement the bed, and yet people are still saying that we shouldn't be firing Gase and that he somehow deserves another season. This fanbase is freaking insane.
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 03:06:31 PM
Darnold isn’t going anywhere after the season
It has literally been a conversation on here in the last 24 hours.
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 03:08:01 PM
It has literally been a conversation on here in the last 24 hours.I think you need to learn how to filter out the bullshit
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2020, 03:14:24 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 03:26:39 PM
Who has suggested that Gase deserves another season if the team shits the bed again?Gase's mom
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 03:30:08 PM
Who has suggested that Gase deserves another season if the team shits the bed again?
No one, to my knowledge. Read my post again.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
No one, to my knowledge. Read my post again.
You're right. I misread it. We were never going to fire Gase after one season. That was a pipe dream. There's also no world in which we're going to replace Darnold after this season. We finally have the resources to surround him with talent.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 03:33:08 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
I get that you're upset but there's no way you can turn down this offer.
My point is, and has been, and will continue to be, that there should never have been an offer in the first place, because we should never have been living through this idiocy that Gase caused and Douglas allowed to escalate.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
My point is, and has been, and will continue to be, that there should never have been an offer in the first place, because we should never have been living through this idiocy that Gase caused and Douglas allowed to escalate.
Why are you still blaming Gase for this?
Also, why are you okay with paying a safety $17M a year?
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 03:53:23 PM
My point is, and has been, and will continue to be, that there should never have been an offer in the first place, because we should never have been living through this idiocy that Gase caused and Douglas allowed to escalate.Sheer lunacy
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
A) Did Doug actually have another discussion with Adams (as he said he would) and tell him honestly that a deal couldn't happen this year, leading to Adams throwing a excrement fit. Or did he just avoid the situation altogether, which I would blame Doug for regardless of his intentions.
B) Did Doug (privately) think the entire time that it is bad business to pay a safety, no matter how good as he is, top of the market on a rebuilding team with holes everywhere. Think putting new rims on a rusted out 1982 Datsun.
If B is true, it's a masterful job by big Doug, however if A is true, he should have at least said they couldn't do a deal and told him to his face, assuming Adams is telling the truth about hearing nothing.
Either way, I'm fine. We got a haul, got rid of a player who didn't want to be here. And it was a replaceable position.
I'll end with this. Winning fixes everything.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 04:41:42 PM
Why are you still blaming Gase for this?
Also, why are you okay with paying a safety $17M a year?
It's going to be extremely interesting when next year comes around and Seattle has to give him a new contract.
After giving up what they did, they basically have to extend him.
I'm most interested in one or those extreme salary cap reduction scenarios. It'll make extending him a nightmare and our draft picks more valuable
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 04:52:01 PM
He was always pointing fingers at his teammates, but never at himself.
He was a part of those teams that failed to make the playoffs, but it was never his fault.
The dude is soft.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 04:52:07 PM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/07/boomer-esiason-jerry-jones-tampering-jamal-adams-jets/
Quote
“I don’t trust Jerry Jones,” Esiason said. “He recruits players that are under contract with other teams by leaking potential trades to the media. That’s just plain wrong. He did it with Earl Thomas when he was with the Seattle Seahawks and I believe he did it with Jamal Adams and the Jets. It put the Seahawks and the Jets in a bad spot. Then the players react because they’re emotional and they don’t get it. Suddenly social media is all over them.”
Esiason accused Jones of leaking reports that the Jets were shopping Adams to the media. The Jets have said that they were merely listening to offers, which reportedly included ones from the Cowboys. With that information in circulation, Adams became upset and took to social media to show his displeasure. The Jets were forced to do damage control and have now since amended a strained relationship.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 05:12:22 PM
-Revis wasn't going to sign here
-the haul we got for Adams outweighs his position and what he brings to the table here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
The fact that this resulted out of a refusal to come to the table rather than a failed attempt to negotiate - after they told him in the beginning of the year that they would rework his contract, mind you - is what really led me to lose faith in the ownership and in somewhat in Joe Douglas.
We'll see what he gets from Seattle in a year or two.
the only trade that really hurt the Jets/and pissed me off....over the last decade, was the Cotchery trade.
-Revis wasn't going to sign here
-the haul we got for Adams outweighs his position and what he brings to the table here.
The picks don't mean anything unless they turn into good players and I'm done giving new GMs the benefit of the doubt right off the bat. If we actually get to see the rookies this season and they perform I'll be a lot more optimistic about the draft picks we got from Seattle.
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 05:32:33 PM
Why are you still blaming Gase for this?
Why are you still asking this question when it has been answered multiple times?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2020, 07:04:48 PM
A lot of people overlooked the "we need more dogs" tantrum, but that was our first real look into Jamal Adams' me first mindset.
He was always pointing fingers at his teammates, but never at himself.
He was a part of those teams that failed to make the playoffs, but it was never his fault.
The dude is soft.
I agreed with Jamal’s comments. A lot of times it looked like he was the only player on the field that gave a excrement.
He still shoulda kept his mouth shut.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
I agreed with Jamal’s comments. A lot of times it looked like he was the only player on the field that gave a excrement.
He still shoulda kept his mouth shut.
I think we'd be stupid not to agree that our defense and overall team as a whole lacked talent after 2018, and still does...
What he didn't understand is that you can't turn around a bad team overnight and he alienated a bunch of his teammmates with that comment. He grew up in a home where he didn't have to struggle at all whatsoever, he played at a powerhouse private high school, and then SEC power LSU. He couldn't handle losing because he never experienced it, in life or on the football field.
Yelling and playing hard isn't leadership. He's an awesome player and one of the best we've ever had on defense, but he was a part of those losing teams. He was a part of those defenses that got Todd Bowles fired. Sounds to me like Darron Lee and Jamal Adams are just immature and didn't bring much to the locker room in terms of leadership. Not that we expected that from Lee, but it was certainly expected from Adams.
Le'Veon Bell calling him a liar is pretty damning.
Post by: casman02 on July 26, 2020, 07:30:06 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 07:32:55 PM
walterfootball gave the Jets a D for the trade. That should tell you all you need to know.
Bill Barnwell wrote a good piece on it, I don't agree with everything he says but he says it well. He gave the Jets a B+ and the Seahawks a C+.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29538280/jamal-adams-trade-grades-seahawks-jets-safety-really-worth-much
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2020, 07:34:01 PM
However, when you factor in the "not giving a safety $17M" part in addition to a great draft haul, I think this was a deal we could not turn down. And that's before we get to Adams being a malcontent
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 07:39:36 PM
the "not giving a safety $17M" part
I really hate this argument, it's lazy and reductive. It might say SS next to his name on the team webpage and on the Madden roster, but we all know that he's a lot more than that.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 07:45:16 PM
I really hate this argument, it's lazy and reductive. It might say SS next to his name on the team webpage and on the Madden roster, but we all know that he's a lot more than that.
That's also a problem.
We were so weak at EDGE that we had to take him out of coverage situations and blitz him more. He was completely invisible for stretches at a time.
He only had 7 pass defended in 2019. That's 98th in the league. He also doesn't intercept the football. His only INT in 2019 was a garbage time INT thrown by Jarrett Stidham.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2020, 08:10:05 PM
I really hate this argument, it's lazy and reductive. It might say SS next to his name on the team webpage and on the Madden roster, but we all know that he's a lot more than that.I agree. That is why I was willing to do it.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 08:12:02 PM
I really hate this argument, it's lazy and reductive. It might say SS next to his name on the team webpage and on the Madden roster, but we all know that he's a lot more than that.
I'm sure Polamalu and Reed got burnt more than a few times, and certainly had better support from the rest of their defense.
But I never saw those guys get burnt nearly as much as I have Jamal.
Jamal looked more like an elite version of Eric Smith than a poor mans version of Polamalu or Reed.
Regardless I would rather have a mediocre OL and wideout for Darnold than an Elite Erik Smith.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 26, 2020, 08:19:17 PM
Jamal looked more like an elite version of Eric Smith than a poor mans version of Polamalu or Reed.
This is actually... the perfect description.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 08:20:30 PM
I'm sure Polamalu and Reed got burnt more than a few times, and certainly had better support from the rest of their defense.
But I never saw those guys get burnt nearly as much as I have Jamal.
Jamal looked more like an elite version of Eric Smith than a poor mans version of Polamalu or Reed.
Regardless I would rather have a mediocre OL and wideout for Darnold than an Elite Erik Smith.
This is a little too much.
Jamal Adams was a versatile chess piece that was an elite run defender. He didn't make many plays on the actual football. I posted earlier that he only had 7 PDs and 1 garbage time INT. The only "game-changing" play he made was the Daniel Jones strip sack TD.
Comparing him to Ed Reed is just as absurd as comparing him to a better version of Eric Smith. Reed created turnovers and scored defensive TDs. Jamal Adams wasn't that kind of safety. He was an undersized linebacker. I'm very interested to see how he does against George Kittle in 2020.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 26, 2020, 08:45:32 PM
again, jamal was a 'winner', a 'hard worker', a 'high character' guy coming out of college etc etc etc, so the talk about 'douglas wants to use these picks to build the culture and character of the team' is awfully rich.
moar picks, lets just keep amassing moar picks and draft the culture guys who may have a 25% shot (and this is being generous) of becoming as good as jamal was at his position. let's bring that player to this team so that either our googly-eyed autist of a coach (or whomever is to assume that role in the future) or our completely inept ownership group (over something as elementary and menial as miscommunication, or a lack thereof) alienate that player to the point of no return. then we can trade them for moar picks
JE brought this up. there is something absolutely insane about the mindset of this fanbase. 'let's trade our best player.....to stock up on ammo for a trade up for a QB just in case sam fails'. you don't trade your best player to leverage the backup plan to the young franchise QB already present on the team. why stop there with the needless hypotheticals. why not take it a step further. what was the point of drafting jamal adams if this was to be the result? we should have just drafted pat mahomes. right?
ok, we got good value, but the jets can't even find the money to keep their best players even while their franchise qb is on his rookie contract
Post by: delavan on July 26, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 09:37:22 PM
again, the 'value' we got was 'good', but it points to the complete incompetence of the organization
again, jamal was a 'winner', a 'hard worker', a 'high character' guy coming out of college etc etc etc, so the talk about 'douglas wants to use these picks to build the culture and character of the team' is awfully rich.
moar picks, lets just keep amassing moar picks and draft the culture guys who may have a 25% shot (and this is being generous) of becoming as good as jamal was at his position. let's bring that player to this team so that either our googly-eyed autist of a coach (or whomever is to assume that role in the future) or our completely inept ownership group (over something as elementary and menial as miscommunication, or a lack thereof) alienate that player to the point of no return. then we can trade them for moar picks
JE brought this up. there is something absolutely insane about the mindset of this fanbase. 'let's trade our best player.....to stock up on ammo for a trade up for a QB just in case sam fails'. you don't trade your best player to leverage the backup plan to the young franchise QB already present on the team. why stop there with the needless hypotheticals. why not take it a step further. what was the point of drafting jamal adams if this was to be the result? we should have just drafted pat mahomes. right?
ok, we got good value, but the jets can't even find the money to keep their best players even while their franchise qb is on his rookie contract
It's not about "finding the money"
We could easily find the money to pay Jamal 17 million a year. But could he ever produce that value?
What if the proposal to drastically cut the salary cup goes through with the bulk of the hit the next 2 years and suddenly jamals got a huge new chunk of guaranteed money attached to his name? Who do we cut? What positions do we skimp on signing? With Bell gone we almost certainly have a need at HB, and we have huge question marks at literally every single position on the offensive line.
Not to mention our stable or wideouts is dog excrement as well. With the exception of Crowder we're really lacking everywhere.
This team has the money for Adams, but the cost of flexability when finances could be a HUGE issue with a tremendous amount of uncertainty is far greater. Especially when the biggest needs of resources are all at positions that can be of pivotal importance for Darnold. If you want to debate whether Adams is worth 17 million a year that's at least a point you can argue.
What you can't argue is that appeasing an All-Pro Erik Smith under team control for the next 3 years is worth handcuffing our flexibility, especially for key positions around Darnold during periods of unprecedented uncertainty
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 09:48:02 PM
All-Pro Erik Smith
Repeating this won't make it more true.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 26, 2020, 09:50:28 PM
It's not about "finding the money"
We could easily find the money to pay Jamal 17 million a year. But could he ever produce that value?
What if the proposal to drastically cut the salary cup goes through with the bulk of the hit the next 2 years and suddenly jamals got a huge new chunk of guaranteed money attached to his name? Who do we cut? What positions do we skimp on signing? With Bell gone we almost certainly have a need at HB, and we have huge question marks at literally every single position on the offensive line.
Not to mention our stable or wideouts is dog excrement as well. With the exception of Crowder we're really lacking everywhere.
This team has the money for Adams, but the cost of flexability when finances could be a HUGE issue with a tremendous amount of uncertainty is far greater. Especially when the biggest needs of resources are all at positions that can be of pivotal importance for Darnold. If you want to debate whether Adams is worth 17 million a year that's at least a point you can argue.
What you can't argue is that appeasing an All-Pro Erik Smith under team control for the next 3 years is worth handcuffing our flexibility, especially for key positions around Darnold during periods of unprecedented uncertainty
the first sentence of your post is 'it's not about "finding the money"' and then you proceed to type an entire post talking about where the jets would be able to find the money to pay jamal and pay everybody else
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 26, 2020, 09:53:04 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
Repeating this won't make it more true.
I didn't repeat it
The previous time I said Elite Erik Smith. And per Heismanbergs reccomendations I ammended it
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
69 Tamorrion Terry - WR - Florida State -
37 Rashod Bateman - WR - Minnesota
21 Shaun Wade - CB - Ohio State
5 Gregory Rousseau - EDGE - Miami
...
A haul
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 10:06:07 PM
the first sentence of your post is 'it's not about "finding the money"' and then you proceed to type an entire post talking about where the jets would be able to find the money to pay jamal and pay everybody else
This is the greatest period of cap uncertainty in the history of the league, because of a global pandemic where we are still uncertain if there will even be a season.
I'm arguing about flexibility. I didn't argue we could pay all the other guys or couldn't, because none of us know what the future is going to hold.
It's floated that the cap could decrease by 70 million next year. If that's the case and we had to move all of Jamals money back, he could be looking at a 30 million dollar cap hit years down the road when Sam would be nearing his peak and or new contract.
This is a team sport and Jamals precious little ego is not worth more than the flexibility of JD to maintain a successful team
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 10:25:33 PM
This is a team sport and Jamals precious little ego is not worth more than the flexibility of JD to maintain a successful team
The only way in which to maintain a successful team is to actually build one in the first place, and losing your most talented and important players seems like a not good way to do that. But hey, we've been trying it all these years, maybe this is the time it finally works out, right?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
The only way in which to maintain a successful team is to actually build one in the first place, and losing your most talented and important players seems like a not good way to do that. But hey, we've been trying it all these years, maybe this is the time it finally works out, right?
So we make Jamal the highest paid safety of all time, there's a monstrous reduction to the cap over the next 2 seasons.
How do you fill the holes all over the roster without pushing back astronomical cap charges for Jamal to the future?
Are we building this team around Jamal Adams or Sam Darnold?
But hey we've drafted young promising QB's before and let the talent on the offense deteriorate around them. Maybe this is the time it works out right?
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 11:09:25 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 11:13:31 PM
Why are you assuming we’re giving Jamal the worst deal possible for the team?
If as reported there's a possibility of there being a 70 million dollar reduction in the salary cap over the next year or two, then any deal that involves making Jamal the highest paid safety of all time 3 years before he becomes a free agent is a bad deal for the team.
When there's historical uncertainty why the freak would you absolutely cripple any degree of financial flexibility making a guy the highest paid player of all time at his position?
We literally might not be able to go out and make sure we have an offensive line next season because of cap restraints, yet Jamal wants to be freaking Scrooge McDuck
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 11:17:07 PM
If as reported there's a possibility of there being a 70 million dollar reduction in the salary cap over the next year or two, then any deal that involves making Jamal the highest paid safety of all time 3 years before he becomes a free agent is a bad deal for the team.
When there's historical uncertainty why the freak would you absolutely cripple any degree of financial flexibility making a guy the highest paid player of all time at his position?
We literally might not be able to go out and make sure we have an offensive line next season because of cap restraints, yet Jamal wants to be freaking Scrooge McDuck
Why are you assuming the team wouldn’t take this into account during contract negotiations?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 11:18:21 PM
Why are you assuming we’re giving Jamal the worst deal possible for the team?
I think it's fair to assume he was going to ask for as much possible, especially because we weren't winning.
There's nothing about him that tells me he'd take a team friendly deal.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 11:22:47 PM
I think it's fair to assume he was going to ask for as much possible, especially because we weren't winning.
There's nothing about him that tells me he'd take a team friendly deal.
I mean the dude was willing to forgo an extension if we traded him.
That tells you all you need to know about his priorities
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 11:34:30 PM
I mean the dude was willing to forgo an extension if we traded him.
That tells you all you need to know about his priorities
Not really since we never negotiated with him. It tells me what would have happened once the situation became untenable to both sides. An earlier negotiation might have yielded different terms.
I also think it’s unrealistic to assume that Douglas would have shown up offering anything but settled for “my derriere is hanging out and I’m completely restrained, do whatever you want!” as a tactic.
We’ve seen multiple players deemed “the highest paid [position] over the years and watched them never collect the full value of the contract. We’ve also known multiple players agree to a yearly split they know they will never actually achieve, but pick because it makes them they highest paid [position] for that season.
It was a bad look that he trash talked both his coach and his GM to the media, I’m not denying that. But to assume he would have only agreed to a prohibitive contract despite us never actually offering him a contract to begin with is just asinine.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2020, 12:03:39 AM
Not really since we never negotiated with him. It tells me what would have happened once the situation became untenable to both sides. An earlier negotiation might have yielded different terms.
I also think it’s unrealistic to assume that Douglas would have shown up offering anything but settled for “my derriere is hanging out and I’m completely restrained, do whatever you want!” as a tactic.
We’ve seen multiple players deemed “the highest paid [position] over the years and watched them never collect the full value of the contract. We’ve also known multiple players agree to a yearly split they know they will never actually achieve, but pick because it makes them they highest paid [position] for that season.
It was a bad look that he trash talked both his coach and his GM to the media, I’m not denying that. But to assume he would have only agreed to a prohibitive contract despite us never actually offering him a contract to begin with is just asinine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-jamal-adams-could-want-more-than-20m-per-year-on-future-extension-per-report/amp/
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According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, at least one team that's looked into Adams, presumably as a potential trade acquisition, believes the All-Pro eventually wants to be paid more than $20 million per season -- or the equivalent of the top defensive players in the NFL.
If a team just interested in trading for him found that out, what do you think Joe Douglas could have found out?
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 27, 2020, 03:12:07 AM
85 Kylin Hill - RB - Mississippi StatePart of me wants to trade a pick for a veteran just to shut people up. Maybe we trade that 3rd-round pick for A.J. Green as an example, though that would be risky.
69 Tamorrion Terry - WR - Florida State -
37 Rashod Bateman - WR - Minnesota
21 Shaun Wade - CB - Ohio State
5 Gregory Rousseau - EDGE - Miami
...
A haul
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2020, 05:31:57 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 06:11:18 AM
I'll miss Jamal on the field, but he can freak off with all the twitter/instagram excrement and posting "luv" every 5 minutes.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 06:18:47 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 06:21:57 AM
Nice speculation. Still haven't seen someone negotiate with him.
why does someone need to negotiate with him? there's still 3 (1 being the franchise tag) years left of control on his contract.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 06:23:27 AM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1287707819085631489?s=19
Selfish blowhard confirmed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2020, 06:59:39 AM
why does someone need to negotiate with him? there's still 3 (1 being the franchise tag) years left of control on his contract.
Not the point.
The argument was over how much he was going to get per year, not how many years were left on the contract.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 07:00:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 07:05:54 AM
Not the point.
The argument was over how much he was going to get per year, not how many years were left on the contract.
it's a moot point now anyway.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2020, 07:23:47 AM
Not the point.
The argument was over how much he was going to get per year, not how many years were left on the contract.
Why didn't Jamal just post how much he wanted on Twitter?
That's the proper way for a nfl player to communicate with his franchise
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 07:29:26 AM
Why didn't Jamal just post how much he wanted on Twitter?$20 million. Luv.
That's the proper way for a nfl player to communicate with his franchise
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2020, 07:57:54 AM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1287707819085631489?s=19
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Cant wait for the Jamal Adam's show to begin in Seattle, just fair warning if he does not get paid all of a sudden your GM will be a liar and coach will be the issue-Jets fan
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For some reason you guys just seem to forget why he wanted to leave your franchise. Hint: it's the same reason loads of your fans are upset lol.-Chiefs fan
Lol indeed
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 08:03:34 AM
If as reported there's a possibility of there being a 70 million dollar reduction in the salary cap over the next year or two, then any deal that involves making Jamal the highest paid safety of all time 3 years before he becomes a free agent is a bad deal for the team.
When there's historical uncertainty why the freak would you absolutely cripple any degree of financial flexibility making a guy the highest paid player of all time at his position?
We literally might not be able to go out and make sure we have an offensive line next season because of cap restraints, yet Jamal wants to be freaking Scrooge McDuck
Who gives a freak about his position? The resources should be allocated based upon the player's importance to the team, I don't care if they're listed as a safety or a full back or a water boy. Jamal Adams was the best and most important player on the defensive side of the ball (Mosley might become that but until he demonstrates an ability to stay on the field he's ineligible for consideration).
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 08:05:28 AM
Who gives a freak about his position? The resources should be allocated based upon the player's importance to the team, I don't care if they're listed as a safety or a full back or a water boy. Jamal Adams was the best and most important player on the defensive side of the ball (Mosley might become that but until he demonstrates an ability to stay on the field he's ineligible for consideration).
Your overvaluing of the SS position is noted.
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 08:19:44 AM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1287707819085631489?s=19
It's almost like there was something more than just money at play. Can't think what it might be.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 08:21:12 AM
It's almost like there was something more than just money at play. Can't think what it might be.Adams being a selfish, entitled queynte?
Don’t know how they missed that either.
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2020, 08:35:26 AM
it's a moot point now anyway.Exactly. Jamal's agreed to play this year under the terms of his current contract so the negotiating an extension fun begins in 2021.
Question: what if there's no season, do the current contracts carry over to the next year, i.e. would Seattle theoretically have control over Adams through 2022 (plus a tag year)?
Post by: insanity on July 27, 2020, 08:41:54 AM
Who gives a freak about his position? The resources should be allocated based upon the player's importance to the team, I don't care if they're listed as a safety or a full back or a water boy. Jamal Adams was the best and most important player on the defensive side of the ball (Mosley might become that but until he demonstrates an ability to stay on the field he's ineligible for consideration).
I get your point but that doesn't hold true in a salary cap league. Hood players at premium positions cost more than hood players at other positions. If you pay too much at safety you dont have that money for qb, lt, cb
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 08:43:48 AM
Hood players at premium positions cost more than hood players at other positions.
Racist
Post by: Laxin on July 27, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
Ian Rapoport: The tense relationship between the #Jets and Jamal Adams began to crumble when he reached out to #Cowboys players during the trade deadline in an effort to convince Dallas brass to deal for him. The culmination of all of that landed him in Seattle instead.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 27, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287748780708769800?s=20So in other words Jamal himself tried to set up a trade outta here and then when Douglas picked up the phone, he lost his marbles? Are you freaking kidding me?! This is some AB level psychoshit.
Ian Rapoport: The tense relationship between the #Jets and Jamal Adams began to crumble when he reached out to #Cowboys players during the trade deadline in an effort to convince Dallas brass to deal for him. The culmination of all of that landed him in Seattle instead.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 09:55:15 AM
So in other words Jamal himself tried to set up a trade outta here and then when Douglas picked up the phone, he lost his marbles? Are you freaking kidding me?! This is some AB level psychoshit.
I'm pretty sure Adam Gase is just making all of this up.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Who gives a freak about his position? The resources should be allocated based upon the player's importance to the team, I don't care if they're listed as a safety or a full back or a water boy. Jamal Adams was the best and most important player on the defensive side of the ball (Mosley might become that but until he demonstrates an ability to stay on the field he's ineligible for consideration).
Ever notice how different positions have different average salaries?
It's almost like there's a correlation between average salary for a position and how important that position is to the team. And then his good a player is determining which end of the scale a player is..
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 10:11:30 AM
Ever notice how different positions have different average salaries?
It's almost like there's a correlation between average salary for a position and how important that position is to the team. And then his good a player is determining which end of the scale a player is..
If you spent more time watching football and less time playing Madden you might understand my point.
Heismanberg's view that in itself it's a problem that we use him that way is a reasonable one, if arguable, but yours is the thinking of a simpleton.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
So in other words Jamal himself tried to set up a trade outta here and then when Douglas picked up the phone, he lost his marbles? Are you freaking kidding me?! This is some AB level psychoshit.
That’s some serious freak you bullshit from Adams if it’s true.
The more that comes out the more it seems he is a gigantic douchenozzle who only cares about himself. I hope he throws a bitch fit in Seattle next offseason when he doesn’t get $20 million a year and demands a trade to Dallas.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
Heismanberg's view that in itself it's a problem that we use him that way
I'm just saying that a consistent edge rusher is much more valuable than a safety that's only true impact against the passing game is pass rushing.
Williams had to take a defender out of the defensive backfield and use him as a pass rush threat to generate pressure because our edge depth chart is devoid of talent. That is not an ideal situation.
Adams did not make enough plays in the passing game. That's why I don't consider him worth the money he supposedly wants.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 27, 2020, 10:20:46 AM
85 Kylin Hill - RB - Mississippi State
69 Tamorrion Terry - WR - Florida State -
37 Rashod Bateman - WR - Minnesota
21 Shaun Wade - CB - Ohio State
5 Gregory Rousseau - EDGE - Miami
...
A haul
Plus the added bonus that Gase should be long gone if we are picking at 5
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
Obviously the loss of Adams limits what Gregg Williams was doing with safeties in the box last season, but Ashtyn Davis is a very versatile player too. He isn't as good against the run at Jamal, no one in the NFL is. But Davis lined up at linebacker at Cal and is a sure-tackler.
McDougald is no slouch either.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 10:23:00 AM
Plus the added bonus that Gase should be long gone if we are picking at 5
Should be, yes
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 10:25:23 AM
I'm just saying that a consistent edge rusher is much more valuable than a safety that's only true impact against the passing game is pass rushing.
Williams had to take a defender out of the defensive backfield and use him as a pass rush threat to generate pressure because our edge depth chart is devoid of talent. That is not an ideal situation.
Adams did not make enough plays in the passing game. That's why I don't consider him worth the money he supposedly wants.
I think that his value is not as any one thing, but in his flexibility to allow him to play multiple roles in the same scheme. I don't like the comparisons with Polamalu or Reed or anyone else (lol Eric Smith) because they don't really provide any contextual value. I think the problem you're describing isn't a failure of Jamal Adams, it's one of our roster and the fact that Williams had to use him in the box more than is optimal simply because of our complete lack of pass rush, but it's the versatility that he brings that enabled Williams to do it so successfully and with a better roster, that versatility just becomes even more valuable. He's the best spur we've seen in years and I think Carroll is going to be able to do a lot of things with him.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
If you spent more time watching football and less time playing Madden you might understand my point.
Heismanberg's view that in itself it's a problem that we use him that way is a reasonable one, if arguable, but yours is the thinking of a simpleton.
You call it simpleton thinking
I call it recursive partioning
(https://www.creative-biolabs.com/drug-discovery/therapeutics/images/Recursive-Partitioning-1.jpg)
But I see it's hard to understand when you have Gase derangement syndrome
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 10:28:14 AM
85 Kylin Hill - RB - Mississippi StateEvery time I see the name Tamorrion Terry I hear it in a Key & Peele East-West Bowl voice in my head
69 Tamorrion Terry - WR - Florida State -
37 Rashod Bateman - WR - Minnesota
21 Shaun Wade - CB - Ohio State
5 Gregory Rousseau - EDGE - Miami
...
A haul
Post by: insanity on July 27, 2020, 10:55:29 AM
You call it simpleton thinkingCorrect why pay 17m for a safety who can rush the passer when you can pay 10m to a pass rusher who could get the same results and 7m for a good safety
I call it recursive partioning
(https://www.creative-biolabs.com/drug-discovery/therapeutics/images/Recursive-Partitioning-1.jpg)
But I see it's hard to understand when you have Gase derangement syndrome
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 11:02:03 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 11:13:55 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 11:14:11 AM
Every time I see the name Tamorrion Terry I hear it in a Key & Peele East-West Bowl voice in my head
that boy good
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 11:25:33 AM
Options for the future:
-Jamal Adams paid at $15-$17 million per year. Same draft picks we were supposed to have in 2021.
- An average safety on a $5 million salary, along with two additional first round picks and another 3rd rounder this year.
Joe Douglas is here to build a team from the ground up to be in the playoff mix every year for a long time. I personally believe it hamstrings your growth to pay Adams that much. There is a way to do it that Douglas has been a part of for years. He's watched the best do it. It doesn't involve caving to unreasonable, forceful demands or overspending in places where it doesn't make sense.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 11:26:07 AM
He's the best spur we've seen in years and I think Carroll is going to be able to do a lot of things with him.
In the box, sure. But I'll be surprised if that defense doesn't get roasted deep a lot in 2020. Carroll might be forced to drop Adams into coverage more than he would like. He could thrive there given more opportunities in coverage, but we didn't see much from him as a true safety.
Look at what Mark Barron did in that role under Gregg Williams. A player that was considered a bust by many thrived in that hybrid linebacker role under Gregg Williams and Dennard Wilson. I'm interested to see who plays that role in 2020. I'm thinking it's going to be Ashtyn Davis. You don't need an elite player there. You need a capable one.
My very first year coaching, I coached defensive backs. Our defensive coordinator at that time was a former safeties coach at University of South Carolina and he loved the SPUR position.
Our head coach (an offensive minded, OL coach) was terrified of the SPUR because you could move that player around and screw with alignments and blocking assignments. What he failed to realize, is that creative playcallers (which he definitely wasn't) could erase that player, specifically on passing downs. That's what I saw a lot with Adams, invisible or away from the play on passing downs. Our HC wanted to put our best athlete at SPUR because he thought it was so important and when we took him out of the middle of the field, our defense suffered as a whole. We moved that kid back to FS and put an athletic linebacker at SPUR. Both got scholarships.
The athletic linebacker plays ILB at Wofford because he was awesome against the run and was a terror as a pass rusher, but he didn't make plays in coverage.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 27, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287748780708769800?s=20
Ian Rapoport: The tense relationship between the #Jets and Jamal Adams began to crumble when he reached out to #Cowboys players during the trade deadline in an effort to convince Dallas brass to deal for him. The culmination of all of that landed him in Seattle instead.
freak ADAM GASE LET’S GO AND RENT A PLANE WITH A SIGN TO FIRE HIM... OR KILL HIM!!!!
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
To simplify my point:
Mark fuckin' Barron
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 12:09:28 PM
In the box, sure. But I'll be surprised if that defense doesn't get roasted deep a lot in 2020. Carroll might be forced to drop Adams into coverage more than he would like. He could thrive there given more opportunities in coverage, but we didn't see much from him as a true safety.
Look at what Mark Barron did in that role under Gregg Williams. A player that was considered a bust by many thrived in that hybrid linebacker role under Gregg Williams and Dennard Wilson. I'm interested to see who plays that role in 2020. I'm thinking it's going to be Ashtyn Davis. You don't need an elite player there. You need a capable one.
My very first year coaching, I coached defensive backs. Our defensive coordinator at that time was a former safeties coach at University of South Carolina and he loved the SPUR position.
Our head coach (an offensive minded, OL coach) was terrified of the SPUR because you could move that player around and screw with alignments and blocking assignments. What he failed to realize, is that creative playcallers (which he definitely wasn't) could erase that player, specifically on passing downs. That's what I saw a lot with Adams, invisible or away from the play on passing downs. Our HC wanted to put our best athlete at SPUR because he thought it was so important and when we took him out of the middle of the field, our defense suffered as a whole. We moved that kid back to FS and put an athletic linebacker at SPUR. Both got scholarships.
The athletic linebacker plays ILB at Wofford because he was awesome against the run and was a terror as a pass rusher, but he didn't make plays in coverage.
OK, but surely the point - in fact your original point - is that this is primarily an issue when you use that player too consistently in the box/LB role, and that his ability to play deep or high is what makes him so effective. If you're parking him in the box 80% of the time as a run stuffer and pass rusher then he's not a spur any more, he's an undersized linebacker who occasionally plays in deep coverage. If you lose the unpredictability of the role then you lose the value of it.
Where I do also see a difference in respective values to the Jets and Seattle is that he is ideally suited to dealing with the move TE. We spent the last ten years trying to find a player who can handle Gronkowski, then as soon as we finally get one the fucker goes and retires. This season Seattle have to deal with Kittle twice, Zach Ertz and quite possibly Travis Kelce in the big one - Adams has a huge strategic value to them there, I think.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 12:14:34 PM
Rich Cimini, the voice of reason
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on July 27, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
Rich Cimini, the voice of reason
2020 twilight zone confirmed.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
Wilson goes down Week 1 and Smith leads Seattle to the worst record in the NFL.
Time is no longer a flat circle.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 01:59:17 PM
Geno Smith is Russell Wilson's backup.
Wilson goes down Week 1 and Smith leads Seattle to the worst record in the NFL.
Adams begs the Seahawks to bring in some dogs.
Time is no longer a flat circle.
FYP
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 02:03:06 PM
Geno Smith is Russell Wilson's backup.I like Wilson too much to root for this but it would be hilarious.
Wilson goes down Week 1 and Smith leads Seattle to the worst record in the NFL.
Time is no longer a flat circle.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2020, 02:58:01 PM
I like Wilson too much to root for this but it would be hilarious.
Same. To both clauses.
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 03:00:46 PM
I like Wilson too much to root for this but it would be hilarious.
I feel like I've spent the last few seasons cheering against various teams in various sports purely for the benefit of my preferred teams' draft picks. It's second nature now, but it's no way to live.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 03:10:27 PM
I feel like I've spent the last few seasons cheering against various teams in various sports purely for the benefit of my preferred teams' draft picks. It's second nature now, but it's no way to live.
I’d be perfectly fine rooting against certain teams forever if it means we always be additional draft picks coming our way. I can quite easily root for the Jets to win a Super Bowl and Seattle to be 0-16 at the same time. I’d say both of those things are about as likely as one another, but anything is possible
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
Should be noted that Douglas' comment about not promising an offer to Adams was unsolicited. Clearly, this was in response to a report about him allegedly lying to the Adams camp. #Jets
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
Douglas said he never promised a contract to Adams or his agent. #nyj
Should be noted that Douglas' comment about not promising an offer to Adams was unsolicited. Clearly, this was in response to a report about him allegedly lying to the Adams camp. #Jets
Unsurprisingly Douglas doesn’t want to be painted as a liar. Hopefully he didn’t, but who the hell knows and frankly it no longer matters. We acquired one of the largest trade return hauls in NFL history for a non QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 03:41:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 03:44:18 PM
I really don't think he promised him a damn thing.I think he said they'd "get together", but that doesn't mean we're gonna make an offer.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 03:53:46 PM
—@diannaESPN https://t.co/OpLOfyzKKp
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
"There were many GMs and coaches that I talked to over the weekend [about the Jamal Adams trade] ... and most, I'd say almost all, felt that the Jets fleeced the Seattle Seahawks."
—@diannaESPN https://t.co/OpLOfyzKKp
Booger McFarland being against the trade says everything.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Big Doug swinging his dick around. My GM.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
Yes...let’s do that.
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 04:18:12 PM
Signing Clowney would mildly temper my current level of dissatisfaction.Your dissatisfaction is a beacon to let us know the team is heading in the right direction
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 04:29:28 PM
https://t.co/sedQ4QIm5kPost by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 04:31:43 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2020, 05:18:50 PM
Bucky Brooks sucks derriere
I would kill to have a DJ only podcast. I have always enjoyed his takes and felt he was reasonable, add in his connection to our FO and the fact Douglas reportedly tried to bring him in when he was hired, and I’m always up for hearing what he has to say about the moves we are making
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 06:27:30 PM
Big Doug needs to fire Gase...and then his statue can go up at Met Life.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200727/327513eda9b8649c11f1903d8da8555c.jpg)
Post by: insanity on July 27, 2020, 11:13:57 PM
Even if Russel wilson didnt get hurt would anyone be surprised if Sea came in 3rd place in the NFc west and go 9-7?
9-7 2020 - 20th pick
9-7 2019 - 19th pick
9-7 2018 - 16th pick
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2020, 11:27:16 PM
Food for thought...
Even if Russel wilson didnt get hurt would anyone be surprised if Sea came in 3rd place in the NFc west and go 9-7?
9-7 2020 - 20th pick
9-7 2019 - 19th pick
9-7 2018 - 16th pick
I mean I think Arizona isn't good and Goff sucks dick
So I'd be fairly surprised if Seattle came in 3rd
Unless Garappolo has a strong bounce back I'd kind of expect Seattle to win the division.
Of course this year's going to be too unpredictable
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 28, 2020, 03:27:26 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 28, 2020, 03:42:20 AM
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 06:00:00 AM
Food for thought...Something like this would probably be our best case scenario, realistically.
Even if Russel wilson didnt get hurt would anyone be surprised if Sea came in 3rd place in the NFc west and go 9-7?
9-7 2020 - 20th pick
9-7 2019 - 19th pick
9-7 2018 - 16th pick
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 28, 2020, 06:56:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 07:02:25 AM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1288079202223366152?s=21
I'm sure JE sent one
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2020, 07:29:19 AM
I'm sure JE sent one
Probably something like this (obviously NSFW)
https://www.amazon.com/Create-Penis-Casting-System-VIBRATOR/dp/B007EZ03O2
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 07:38:35 AM
Probably something like this (obviously NSFW)I'm gonna get the weirdest suggestions now
https://www.amazon.com/Create-Penis-Casting-System-VIBRATOR/dp/B007EZ03O2
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 09:11:52 AM
im a fan of JD's scouting/talent evaluation and i really liked the draft he put together this year, but we obviously cannot say anything about the results of this draft yet, and we can't assume that future picks that he has to use will be slam dunks
this is my biggest qualm with this organization. we are all looking at the draft picks, we draft stars and trade them away because we're not able to foster the environment of a winning organization consistently and make our players happy. it's simple, build a winner and players will be happy. the former players who've been our biggest allies and advocates have been the cogs from our 2009-2010 teams
the extra picks are just hypotheticals until joe uses them and hits on them. at this point i'd rather use the picks to obtain a bona fide player/star, but we probably don't have the luxury of going down that route, because we suck
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
The Jets need to have a STRING of solid drafts, not just good first rounders. Otherwise Jamal Adamses will just get traded for other parts every year.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 10:11:55 AM
He most definitely wants more money than Eddie Jackson. The Jets were not in a spot to fork over that kind of cash, especially in a situation where the cap will probably be seriously impacted due to COVID-19. The team has the money to pay him, but it's not the best allocation of resources when we have so many other holes and we are a ways away from competing.
We can add two quality starters at other positions with the money saved not extending him. We also got at worst, a replacement level starter at the same position in Bradley McDougald.
This franchise moves as far as Sam Darnold will take it. Jamal Adams wasn't taking this team anywhere. We have to protect the QB and get him some weapons.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 11:58:20 AM
The Jets stunk with Jamal Adams.
He most definitely wants more money than Eddie Jackson. The Jets were not in a spot to fork over that kind of cash, especially in a situation where the cap will probably be seriously impacted due to COVID-19. The team has the money to pay him, but it's not the best allocation of resources when we have so many other holes and we are a ways away from competing.
We can add two quality starters at other positions with the money saved not extending him. We also got at worst, a replacement level starter at the same position in Bradley McDougald.
This franchise moves as far as Sam Darnold will take it. Jamal Adams wasn't taking this team anywhere. We have to protect the QB and get him some weapons.
Tough to argue with anything in this post.
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 01:11:49 PM
Tough to argue with anything in this post.McDougald is a stupid last name, it's either McDonald or McDougal not this in-between crap. I hate this trade now.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
This team is failing to/choosing not to retain 1st rounders because they either suck or the rest of our drafts suck so bad that we need to hock them for help elsewhere.
The Jets need to have a STRING of solid drafts, not just good first rounders. Otherwise Jamal Adamses will just get traded for other parts every year.
The Jets stunk with Jamal Adams.
He most definitely wants more money than Eddie Jackson. The Jets were not in a spot to fork over that kind of cash, especially in a situation where the cap will probably be seriously impacted due to COVID-19. The team has the money to pay him, but it's not the best allocation of resources when we have so many other holes and we are a ways away from competing.
We can add two quality starters at other positions with the money saved not extending him. We also got at worst, a replacement level starter at the same position in Bradley McDougald.
This franchise moves as far as Sam Darnold will take it. Jamal Adams wasn't taking this team anywhere. We have to protect the QB and get him some weapons.
i don't have any strong arguments with any of the stuff in these posts, i agree with this stuff.
i hope we build a solid, well-rounded team with an emphasis on protecting and supporting sam. i hope we become a good team. drafting well rounds 1-7 will have a big part in that, and I feel like JD is that sort of GM
i just wonder how contract negotiations will go in the future if/when we actually have a solid team with a bunch of keepers and we're tasked with trying to keep the best of the best and still make them happy, while ensuring the rest of the team remains solid. right now all we had was jamal adams and sam and we still couldn't find a way to keep jamal. maybe jamal was asking for way too much money, but our history in general shows that we have not been good with that. but honestly, there is no point in opening up that can of worms until we're actually good. i just want us to be good
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 02:08:28 PM
McDougald is a stupid last name, it's either McDonald or McDougal not this in-between crap. I hate this trade now.
wow you are so racist. he had nothing to do with the slave owners that gave his family that name. 0.2 off your marxism rating
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 28, 2020, 02:11:28 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
It gets insanely demoralizing to put just how bad the Jets have been at drafting and managing the roster. So many "no-brainer" picks in the first round have been traded or cut. Maye is the last member of the 2017 draft class still on the team.
How many guys are still on our roster from the 2014-2018 drafts? Like 3? Sam, Maye and Herndon?
Our drafting is the reason we are a laughingstock. Hopefully Douglas rights the ship in that department
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 02:21:34 PM
wow you are so racist. he had nothing to do with the slave owners that gave his family that name. 0.2 off your marxism ratingI'm deducting a corner from his black card for keeping it
Post by: delavan on July 28, 2020, 05:09:04 PM
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"That's the culture there in Seattle, they empower their players to be adults and to have opinions......Michael Silver's a dickbag
Jamal Adams will not be subtle; you saw that in NY when he wanted out and he pushed his way out...
and I'm excited to see the NFC. West, it's going to be wild"
https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1288194020943044609
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 05:51:59 PM
McDougald is a stupid last name, it's either McDonald or McDougal not this in-between crap. I hate this trade now.
Welp, today was the first time I actually read his name correctly
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 06:04:01 PM
Welp, today was the first time I actually read his name correctly
ngl, badge's post was the first time i noted it too
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 06:15:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 06:31:04 PM
McDougald is a stupid last name, it's either McDonald or McDougal not this in-between crap. I hate this trade now.
https://www.houseofnames.com/mcdougald-family-crest
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
https://www.houseofnames.com/mcdougald-family-crest
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The Clan was a bitter foe of Robert the Bruce, who made a narrow escape during one battle with the MacDougals only by discarding his cloak.
This guy was born to hate Robert Kraft
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 28, 2020, 10:23:23 PM
https://www.houseofnames.com/mcdougald-family-crest
Keeping with the spirit of this discussion, I was very confused to learn that Galway was in Scotland the first time I read through the name’s origin.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2020, 12:20:04 AM
Jamal absolutely would have wanted north of 20 million a year
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2020, 08:56:14 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
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Womanish Mehta: Jamal Adams said former Jets players and coaches reached out to him after being traded to wish him well.
Jets rookie safety Ashtyn Davis was one of them. Adams said he was willing to help Davis in any way. “I’m here to help you.”
Jamal on Jets: “I’m pulling for those guys”
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PiercingBigHanumanmonkey-size_restricted.gif)
Post by: delavan on July 31, 2020, 11:24:42 AM
https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1115946333108490241
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2020, 01:11:49 PM
Extend Maye now
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDRvbx3Huig/Wonder if that first part was coincidence or on purpose.
Extend Maye now
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Post by: Laxin on July 31, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 31, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDRvbx3Huig/
Extend Maye now
I like the energy but maybe we see if he can get through another full season first.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:04:34 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 04:07:48 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:19:01 PM
Honestly, I think today helped validate the Adams trade. We desperately need talent at premium positions. Maye was great without Adams, and McDougald was fine, too. We aren't winning anything with or without a safety making a shitload of money.
I never wanted to trade Adams unless we got two 1sts, and I still feel that way, but now that we have them, I'm excited to hopefully makeover the offense.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:20:20 PM
Jamal is going to talk. He'll take digs at us all year. All we can do is hope they lose for the draft picks.
Honestly, I think today helped validate the Adams trade. We desperately need talent at premium positions. Maye was great without Adams, and McDougald was fine, too. We aren't winning anything with or without a safety making a shitload of money.
I never wanted to trade Adams unless we got two 1sts, and I still feel that way, but now that we have them, I'm excited to hopefully makeover the offense.
Imagine Adams' post game presser if he still played here today.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:22:37 PM
Jamal is going to talk. He'll take digs at us all year. All we can do is hope they lose for the draft picks.
Honestly, I think today helped validate the Adams trade. We desperately need talent at premium positions. Maye was great without Adams, and McDougald was fine, too. We aren't winning anything with or without a safety making a shitload of money.
I never wanted to trade Adams unless we got two 1sts, and I still feel that way, but now that we have them, I'm excited to hopefully makeover the offense.
I agree with your premise.
But, largely this was the same defense as last year. Are there any other big additions/subtractions I’m missing?
So why did we get our excrement pushed in by Josh freaking Allen? Can’t say how embarrassing it is to be the team that allows him to pass for 300 yards
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:26:39 PM
I agree with your premise.Had they not pulled their starters, we'd have gotten abused week 17 also.
But, largely this was the same defense as last year. Are there any other big additions/subtractions I’m missing?
So why did we get our excrement pushed in by Josh freaking Allen? Can’t say how embarrassing it is to be the team that allows him to pass for 300 yards
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:29:12 PM
I agree with your premise.He did throw it 46 times (6.8 yds per att), so when you throw that often, you expect 300 yards.
But, largely this was the same defense as last year. Are there any other big additions/subtractions I’m missing?
So why did we get our excrement pushed in by Josh freaking Allen? Can’t say how embarrassing it is to be the team that allows him to pass for 300 yards
The defense did get better after they benched Desir, but it was also a blowout at that point.
Last year in Week 1, the Bills had 370 yards. This year, they had 404. Last year, the defense shut them down until Mosley went down. This year, Mosley was already out, and we lost Cashman in the game. We had Harvey Langi playing constantly. And they added Diggs.
This is a bad roster. Defensive line is solid and safeties are solid, but the LBs and CBs are bad.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 04:30:13 PM
Jamal is going to talk. He'll take digs at us all year. All we can do is hope they lose for the draft picks.
Honestly, I think today helped validate the Adams trade. We desperately need talent at premium positions. Maye was great without Adams, and McDougald was fine, too. We aren't winning anything with or without a safety making a shitload of money.
I never wanted to trade Adams unless we got two 1sts, and I still feel that way, but now that we have them, I'm excited to hopefully makeover the offense.
Sure. In isolation, if we look at it like a game of Madden, it was a good trade. But if we look at it in the context of what it says to the league, it was a freaking disaster. Adams told the entire league that the team doesn't know how to win and they aren't prepared to reward good players, and that if you're any good you're best off not being on the Jets. And then both he and the Jets went out today and proved him 100% correct.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:32:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:35:38 PM
The holes this team has were put on display today. This team is a rebuild (as usual). We need linebackers, corners, and WRs. We need draft picks and to hit on them. Darnold was the surprise today. He sucked derriere. I didn't expect that.
You say you’re surprised. Why did you expect Darnold to be better? Because he’s a year more experienced? Is that it?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:37:13 PM
You say you’re surprised. Why did you expect Darnold to be better? Because he’s a year more experienced? Is that it?Yes. Also no scheme change for once and he's healthy. I didn't expect Pro Bowl, but not this.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
Sure. In isolation, if we look at it like a game of Madden, it was a good trade. But if we look at it in the context of what it says to the league, it was a freaking disaster. Adams told the entire league that the team doesn't know how to win and they aren't prepared to reward good players, and that if you're any good you're best off not being on the Jets. And then both he and the Jets went out today and proved him 100% correct.I don't care "what it says to the league." That's meaningless to me. They got two 1st-round picks for him when nobody thought they would get that. It's not like they sold low on him.
Adams was already saying things about the Jets when he was here. He demanded a trade and then went scorched earth. That was the message to the league. The damage was done well before the trade (if there was any long-term damage).
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:39:23 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:40:49 PM
You say you’re surprised. Why did you expect Darnold to be better? Because he’s a year more experienced? Is that it?Because Darnold played like a below average starting quarterback in 2018 and 2019, and the natural progression of a 3rd-year quarterback entering his 2nd year in a system should be to get better.
If the expectation for a 23-year old player is to not get better, then why are we even bothering to develop him? Of course a 3rd-year quarterback should expect to improve over his 2nd year, especially when his 2nd year wasn't very good.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:41:41 PM
Because Darnold played like a below average starting quarterback in 2018 and 2019, and the natural progression of a 3rd-year quarterback entering his 2nd year in a system should be to get better. If the expectation for a 23-year old player is to not get better, then why are we even bothering to develop him?
Please, elaborate on how the Jets have helped to develop Sam Darnold.
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
Please, elaborate on how the Jets have helped to develop Sam Darnold.
we are really excited about his weapons
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
I don't care "what it says to the league."
Well, you should. Because if you want us to actually be able to sign good FAs without having to overpay, or to keep our own drafted players without them agitating to leave or insisting on such a big new contract that we have no choice but to trade them, then we need to not be seen as the toilet of the league.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:43:40 PM
Please, elaborate on how the Jets have helped to develop Sam Darnold.They've done a excrement job putting talent around him, no argument from me there. But young players should be on an upward trajectory regardless. If you're only as good as the talent around you, then you're probably not that good.
I expect Darnold to bounce back, but this was alarming.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Well, you should. Because if you want us to actually be able to sign good FAs without having to overpay, or to keep our own drafted players without them agitating to leave or insisting on such a big new contract that we have no choice but to trade them, then we need to not be seen as the toilet of the league.That's all irrelevant. Win games and the reputation of the Jets will improve. The Jets have to overpay for free agents because they haven't made the playoffs in a decade. If the Jets win, none of the rest matters.
If the Jets somehow bounce back and go 12-4 this year, it's not like free agents will be like "Oh, Jamal was upset, so I won't sign with the Jets." And if we had Jamal and went 7-9 instead of 5-11 this year, that wouldn't have made a difference either.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:48:22 PM
They've done a excrement job putting talent around him, no argument from me there. But young players should be on an upward trajectory regardless. If you're only as good as the talent around you, then you're probably not that good.
I expect Darnold to bounce back, but this was alarming.
Maybe Darnold will never be great. Drafting a QB high, hanging him out to dry, and then giving up on him halfway through is destined to fail, every time.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
Maybe Darnold will never be great. Drafting a QB high, hanging him out to dry, and then giving up on him halfway through is destined to fail, every time.I agree that the Jets have done a miserable job surrounding him with talent, and that makes things a lot harder for Darnold to develop.
And bringing this back to the Adams trade, that's why we need to use those extra draft picks to finally build up the offense. Build up the offensive line. Get a couple receivers in here. Give Darnold or whoever replaces Darnold a better chance to succeed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
I agree that the Jets have done a miserable job surrounding him with talent, and that makes things a lot harder for Darnold to develop.
And bringing this back to the Adams trade, that's why we need to use those extra draft picks to finally build up the offense. Build up the offensive line. Get a couple receivers in here. Give Darnold or whoever replaces Darnold a better chance to succeed.
I’m aware we need to use draft picks to build up the offense, let the front office know. I was screaming when we picked back to back safeties and Nathan Shepherd Jachai polite and Blake Cashman and Davis/Zuniga/Morgan.
And we wonder why we are here and our franchise QB is struggling
Post by: dcm1602 on September 13, 2020, 04:57:15 PM
Stack the OL, stack the wideouts, if Darnolds still trash you can bring the new QB to a good landing spot
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 04:58:06 PM
That's all irrelevant. Win games and the reputation of the Jets will improve. The Jets have to overpay for free agents because they haven't made the playoffs in a decade. If the Jets win, none of the rest matters.
If the Jets somehow bounce back and go 12-4 this year, it's not like free agents will be like "Oh, Jamal was upset, so I won't sign with the Jets." And if we had Jamal and went 7-9 instead of 5-11 this year, that wouldn't have made a difference either.
Damn, football must work differently to literally every single other professional sport in the world, because in those players talk to each other and make their decisions based upon a variety of factors, including what their peers say about clubs that they might choose to join. Good to know that in football players purely look at a team's win/loss record in the previous season.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
Damn, football must work differently to literally every single other professional sport in the world, because in those players talk to each other and make their decisions based upon a variety of factors, including what their peers say about clubs that they might choose to join. Good to know that in football players purely look at a team's win/loss record in the previous season.Okay, but that has nothing to do with the trade. Jamal was angry at the Jets and ripped the franchise constantly in the media. Your solution would have been to keep him and everything would have been fine?
The damage was already done before the trade.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Okay, but that has nothing to do with the trade. Jamal was angry at the Jets and ripped the franchise constantly in the media. Your solution would have been to keep him and everything would have been fine?
The damage was already done before the trade.
My solution would have been to pay him, because watching that $30M+ of cap space on the field today was no fun at all.
Still, jam tomorrow, eh?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:01:47 PM
I’m aware we need to use draft picks to build up the offense, let the front office know. I was screaming when we picked back to back safeties and Nathan Shepherd Jachai polite and Blake Cashman and Davis/Zuniga/Morgan.We're on the same page there. But at some point, the quarterback needs to show more signs of development than he has.
And we wonder why we are here and our franchise QB is struggling
Some of the plays he was missing today were alarming and had nothing to do with his supporting cast.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 13, 2020, 05:02:43 PM
My solution would have been to pay him, because watching that $30M+ of cap space on the field today was no fun at all.
Still, jam tomorrow, eh?
Jamal Adams wouldn't have changed a damn thing on the scoreboard today.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Jamal Adams wouldn't have changed a damn thing on the scoreboard today.
Given how badly the defense played I'm not entirely sure that that's true, but still. Not my point.
Think how good we're going to be in 2022!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 05:06:06 PM
Jamal Adams wouldn't have changed a damn thing on the scoreboard today.
I mean, you saw how our defense played against the Bills in 2019 vs 2020 but go off
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 05:07:31 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 13, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
I mean, you saw how our defense played against the Bills in 2019 vs 2020 but go off
The whole team was excrement today, offense, defense and specials all the way to coaching. Dunno how much a disgruntled SS would've helped. Maye basically had a similar role and game as Adams had last year.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 05:09:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:10:14 PM
My solution would have been to pay him, because watching that $30M+ of cap space on the field today was no fun at all.I would have been fine keeping him and signing him before all the excrement went down. Granted, that also would send a message to the league - whine about your contract with the Jets, and you'll get a raise. We don't know how much money Jamal wanted.
Still, jam tomorrow, eh?
But there's no guarantee that would made made everything better, especially once he demanded the trade.
Once he goes public with the trade demands, we don't know if he would have resigned. He demanded a trade. Those don't always get immediately resolved with a contract. Some do, some don't. If the place is as bad as you (and he) say it is, why would he resign?
Second of all, even if we did sign him, why would we expect him to all of a sudden fall in line? If we went 6-10 this year, he'd probably still try to force his way out in a trade in March. He tried to get to Dallas last year at the deadline. What would stop him from trying to get to Dallas next offseason?
I wanted to make it work with Jamal. But when you can get two 1st-round picks, a quality replacement, an upgraded mid-round pick, tons of extra cap space, and you alleviate your roster of a headache, I think you had to do it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
We are a worse defense without Jamal Adams. I don't know how anyone can try and argue against that.Who is arguing that?
The argument is that we're a 4-8 win team with Jamal and without Jamal, and the biggest reasons why are our deficiencies at some of the most important positions on the football field (OL, EDGE, WR, CB).
Adams definitely would have helped today, but Maye didn't miss much of a beat in Adams' role.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 05:14:13 PM
The whole team was excrement today, offense, defense and specials all the way to coaching. Dunno how much a disgruntled SS would've helped. Maye basically had a similar role and game as Adams had last year.
Re: disgruntled - I think he would have had the best year of his career.
Agree with everything else you said which brings to mind the question, why are we so much worse? What changed? Or, what stayed the same?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:15:49 PM
Re: disgruntled - I think he would have had the best year of his career.We sucked last year. We sucked today. I don't think we can judge how much better or worse we are than last year after one game.
Agree with everything else you said which brings to mind the question, why are we so much worse? What changed? Or, what stayed the same?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 05:17:23 PM
We sucked last year. We sucked today. I don't think we can judge how much better or worse we are than last year after one game.
Our defense was worse, our coach was worse, our QB was worse, our WRs are worse. Our OL is hopefully a bit better.
Today. Agree on the sample size
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 05:17:48 PM
Re: disgruntled - I think he would have had the best year of his career.
Agree with everything else you said which brings to mind the question, why are we so much worse? What changed? Or, what stayed the same?
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Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 13, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
We sucked last year. We sucked today. I don't think we can judge how much better or worse we are than last year after one game.
Agree with this.
Today's game was similar to last year's Cincinnati, first Miami or Jacksonville game. The team was just flat across all facets off the game.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
Post by: delavan on September 13, 2020, 05:47:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
I think Maye is a more overall talented safety than Adams. My only concern with him is that he's had trouble staying healthy.
That said, the Jets defense would be better with both Adams and Maye in the secondary.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
I think Maye is a more overall talented safety than Adams. My only concern with him is that he's had trouble staying healthy.Now that is a hot take. I like Maye a lot, but let's slow down.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
Maye is still a good to great player. If he stays healthy he should be able to produce in the role Adams played last season.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2020, 02:21:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 11:33:01 AM
Post by: insanity on September 21, 2020, 01:10:08 PM
https://twitter.com/sethwalder/status/1307881352176508929?s=21Its a good stat, but let's not act like jamals a scrub he was reeking havoc as a Blitzer and in the run game
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2020, 01:11:31 PM
Its a good stat, but let's not act like jamals a scrub he was reeking havoc as a Blitzer and in the run game
If he's in coverage and he's getting toasted then he's not worth the money that he's asking for.
He's a hell of a chess piece, especially in the box, but he is a liability in coverage.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 09:25:08 AM
https://twitter.com/camgronknandez/status/1310211532974960640?s=21
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2020, 10:02:06 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 29, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
I haven't seen him out there, is he still hurt? Good as he is, he would make a minimal difference here, would be more frustrated and worth less, even if he was healthy. In hindsight we sold high and it's a good thing.
Yep.
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
I haven't seen him out there, is he still hurt? Good as he is, he would make a minimal difference here, would be more frustrated and worth less, even if he was healthy. In hindsight we sold high and it's a good thing.
He's been hurt since week 3
Excellent trade, JD. :)
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
Imagine if we traded jamal to the cowboys like he wanted instead of Seattle. We'd be on our way to two top 5 picks
That's assuming Jerry was going to part with a first rounder.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2020, 10:22:05 AM
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The Seahawks pulled within a touchdown early in the fourth quarter. They had flipped momentum on the Bills, and they had a chance to give the ball back to Russell Wilson and the offense.
Ryan Neal’s third-down sack of Buffalo’s Josh Allen at the Seattle 45-yard line appeared to be the play the Seahawks had to have to turn around a dreadful day for their defense. Instead, more bad news: Neal’s sack was negated by an illegal-contact penalty on the Seahawks’ Jamal Adams downfield, giving back momentum to the Bills en route to their 44-34 victory over the Seahawks on Sunday in Orchard Park, New York.
Adams, out for the past month with a groin injury, flashed some of his All-Pro form in his return to action Sunday. But, fair or not, the third-down penalty he committed when he tripped Buffalo slot receiver Cole Beasley proved to be his most notable — and most costly — contribution during the Seahawks’ worst defensive game of the Pete Carroll era.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2020, 10:23:45 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 10:24:32 AM
https://twitter.com/notdubs408/status/1325532448684269573?s=21
#JoeDouglasSZN
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 09, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
we got an amazing deal. trading adams was absolutely the right thing to do with this/for this team.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 09, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2020, 01:09:16 PM
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Jamal Adams now ranks No. 78 out of 92 safeties in PFF's coverage grade
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 09, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
That said, a big hit or two per game doesn't usually equal wins, we couldn't get off the field on third down with him and we still can't. Money well not spent.
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 01:22:54 PM
OK, but that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? No one ever claimed he was the second coming of Ed Reed; he's just the best Spur in the NFL. He has more sacks than Chase Young or DeMarcus Lawrence and he's played half the number of games they have; his sack per game rate ranks him tied 4th in the league with TJ Watt, and better than some genuine star DEs and LBs on monster money. In fact, the only players putting up a better S/G than Adams are Myles Garrett, Aaron Donald and Trey Hendrickson.
"Hur dur look how much they gave up for a safety who can't cover" doesn't work quite as well when you consider that he's still better in coverage than the vast majority of linebackers AND gets more sacks than them.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 09, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
OK, but that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? No one ever claimed he was the second coming of Ed Reed; he's just the best Spur in the NFL. He has more sacks than Chase Young or DeMarcus Lawrence and he's played half the number of games they have; his sack per game rate ranks him tied 4th in the league with TJ Watt, and better than some genuine star DEs and LBs on monster money. In fact, the only players putting up a better S/G than Adams are Myles Garrett, Aaron Donald and Trey Hendrickson.
"Hur dur look how much they gave up for a safety who can't cover" doesn't work quite as well when you consider that he's still better in coverage than the vast majority of linebackers AND gets more sacks than them.
I think he's a great player, and wanted him to stay for a long time. But in hindsight his constant bitching and need for a big contract made him more of a pain in the derriere than a help. I think we're still 0-8 if we kept him. If you add him to the Rex D with Revis and Cromartie back there, he'd make much more of a difference.
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
OK, but that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? No one ever claimed he was the second coming of Ed Reed; he's just the best Spur in the NFL. He has more sacks than Chase Young or DeMarcus Lawrence and he's played half the number of games they have; his sack per game rate ranks him tied 4th in the league with TJ Watt, and better than some genuine star DEs and LBs on monster money. In fact, the only players putting up a better S/G than Adams are Myles Garrett, Aaron Donald and Trey Hendrickson.
"Hur dur look how much they gave up for a safety who can't cover" doesn't work quite as well when you consider that he's still better in coverage than the vast majority of linebackers AND gets more sacks than them.
He's not good in coverage.....at all. He's an overpriced Eric Smith.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2020, 01:30:13 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 01:31:48 PM
He's not good in coverage.....at all. He's an overpriced Eric Smith.
Like I said:
he's still better in coverage than the vast majority of linebackers AND gets more sacks than them.
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
Jamal is a great player, but getting two 1st-round picks for him continues to age well.
He's excellent on the pass rush, but i don't see anything else that really stands out. Does he even have an interception yet?
The Seahawks GM may need a rape kit after what Joe Douglas did to him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
It should also be noted that Seattle has a much different scheme, are using him differently than we did, and asking him to cover more.
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 01:45:01 PM
Seattle’s defense isn’t any good this year and it certainly hasn’t improved by adding him. I don’t think anyone here has watched enough to gauge his true impact but I feel comfortable in saying that whatever value he has added as a pass rusher has been negated by him being a huge liability in coverage.
It should also be noted that Seattle has a much different scheme, are using him differently than we did, and asking him to cover more.
If there's an argument that he is a scheme-specific and/or -dependent player, and that Seattle haven't figured that scheme out yet, I'm willing to accept it. Again, consider him a Spur rather than a safety and the filter changes; I agree that not every team has, wants or could use a player in that role, but teams that can and do can get a lot of value from it. Just ask the 2019 Jets.
Imagine Belichick getting his hands on a player like that. He'd create havoc.
Post by: Jumbo on November 09, 2020, 01:49:10 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
If there's an argument that he is a scheme-specific and/or -dependent player, and that Seattle haven't figured that scheme out yet, I'm willing to accept it. Again, consider him a Spur rather than a safety and the filter changes; I agree that not every team has, wants or could use a player in that role, but teams that can and do can get a lot of value from it. Just ask the 2019 Jets.The fact that you admit that "not every team wants or could use a player in that role" is basically admission we got a good deal. We got two 1st-round picks for a safety that you just admitted needs to be in the right scheme to work. And he needs a new contract. And he would have been a massive pain in the derriere this year and probably wouldn't have wanted to resign.
Imagine Belichick getting his hands on a player like that. He'd create havoc.
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
Thinking he isn't a great player because he wanted out is just sour grapes. Thinking that getting 2 1sts + a 3rd for him is robbery is still possible even if you concede he's a great player; it's okay. The Raiders might have made out getting less for Khalil Mack who is an inherently superior player.
watching him excrement on Pete Carroll on the sidelines makes that deal all the sweeter.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
OK, but that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? No one ever claimed he was the second coming of Ed Reed; he's just the best Spur in the NFL. He has more sacks than Chase Young or DeMarcus Lawrence and he's played half the number of games they have; his sack per game rate ranks him tied 4th in the league with TJ Watt, and better than some genuine star DEs and LBs on monster money. In fact, the only players putting up a better S/G than Adams are Myles Garrett, Aaron Donald and Trey Hendrickson.
"Hur dur look how much they gave up for a safety who can't cover" doesn't work quite as well when you consider that he's still better in coverage than the vast majority of linebackers AND gets more sacks than them.
Yeah but can he cover a TE or slot WR?
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
He's excellent on the pass rush, but i don't see anything else that really stands out. Does he even have an interception yet?
The Seahawks GM may need a rape kit after what Joe Douglas did to him
Big deal, so does anyone that comes in contact with you.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 04:52:22 PM
Tomorrow is a year since he pickpocketed Danny whatever and ran for a TD. I was there, it was fun.#DannyFumbles
That said, a big hit or two per game doesn't usually equal wins, we couldn't get off the field on third down with him and we still can't. Money well not spent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2020, 10:59:18 AM
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The Seahawks defense has allowed 455.8 total yards per game. The most in super bowl era.
With Jamal Adams ON the field the defense is allowing 100 MORE yards a game than without him (GMFB).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 15, 2020, 11:11:13 PM
What is this
Post by: Libero_2 on November 16, 2020, 06:05:32 AM
https://twitter.com/davephanna/status/1328142425962008576?s=21
What is this
Looking an awful lot like the dude was a better player here than he is there. We clearly got the better end of the deal (so far) but hopefully we can hit on the picks.
Also I still expect him to demand $20 million per year, and I have to think Seattle feels obligated to pay him if his production is even close to worth it, given what they gave up for him
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 07:05:05 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 16, 2020, 07:26:33 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 07:33:02 AM
The freak is wrong with this dude?
<3 Joe Douglas
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 07:39:15 AM
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Drew
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What #Jets fans knew but Seattle is realizing since the Jamal Adams trade:
- He's not built different
- He's not winner
- Teammates mostly ignore him
- He can edge rush vs a TE but can't cover one
- Is not worth 18 million a year
- Not worth two first rounders
- Moist boy
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2020, 07:54:56 AM
Adams got screamed at on the bench by one of the coaches after he avoided that tackle. I love this trade more and more everyday.
That was Pete Carroll returning the favor
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 07:58:30 AM
That was Pete Carroll returning the favor
haha was it?
Even better.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2020, 08:23:27 AM
The way he avoided contact there was positively early-career, San Diego Chargers Cromartian.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 16, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
As much as I want to revel in that clip, I think its fairly obvious he's playing hurt.
The way he avoided contact there was positively early-career, San Diego Chargers Cromartian.
If he wants to be on the field and be a game changer, he needs to at least TRY and make that tackle. If he can’t even try because he’s in so much pain? Then he shouldn’t be suiting up.
Thank god he balled out for us last year the way he did so that we could trade him for what we did
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2020, 08:43:49 AM
If he wants to be on the field and be a game changer, he needs to at least TRY and make that tackle. If he can’t even try because he’s in so much pain? Then he shouldn’t be suiting up.
Thank god he balled out for us last year the way he did so that we could trade him for what we did
I don't disagree, but I also don't underestimate everyone's desperation in Seattle given how what should be a special season has them currently in third because the defense is just absolutely atrocious.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 16, 2020, 09:30:19 AM
I don't disagree, but I also don't underestimate everyone's desperation in Seattle given how what should be a special season has them currently in third because the defense is just absolutely atrocious.
They have 2 major problems, pass coverage and pass rush.
Adams weakest aspect of his game is pass coverage, always has been.
His strongest aspect is as a pass rusher. But the season record for a S to get sacks is what 8.5? We were all hoping he would break it last year, but he didn't. The point is that even if he had the greatest pass rushing season by a S ever, he still wouldn't need double digit sacks, and even if he does, it's not going to be the same type of constant pressure an elite pass rusher (like a Khalil Mack or Aaron Donald) would bring anyways.
So Jamal Adams isn't exactly the panacea to their defensive issues, even if he is healthy.
Honestly, I hope they finish 9-7 and miss the postseason because of how bad the defense is and they have to watch a 6 win NFCE division winner host a play off game.
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
DrewfromJersey is a pompous queynte hair....but he's not wrong here:"He's not winner"
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 10:49:57 AM
"He's not winner"
it's probably the roids
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 16, 2020, 11:03:22 AM
This was from before yesterday’s game
TLDR:
Seattle DEF EPA w/ Adams on the field: 0.11 EPA/play allowed
Seattle DEF EPA without Adams on the field: 0.11 EPA/play allowed
From thread:
“ When Adams has been on the field, Seattle's defense has been better against the run on early downs and worse against the pass.”
...
“this is somewhat driven by the Bills game, but it's amusing to see Seattle's opponents call pass plays on ~3/4ths of early downs when Adams is on the field.
If someone is really good against the run and that leads the opponent to pass more, is that even a good thing?”
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2020, 11:45:58 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 16, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 16, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
It's not impossible to think now that Seattle doesn't make the playoffs and we end up picking 17th. Not likely but not impossible.It's pretty impossible. Look at their schedule.
NFC West records are padded this season because they play the NFC East and the AFC East, and the Seahawks still have a 4-game stretch of at Eagles-Giants-Jets-at Washington coming up.
That said, it would be nice if they don't win the division so the pick is in the early 20's as opposed to the late 20's.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 16, 2020, 04:11:54 PM
It's pretty impossible. Look at their schedule.
NFC West records are padded this season because they play the NFC East and the AFC East, and the Seahawks still have a 4-game stretch of at Eagles-Giants-Jets-at Washington coming up.
That said, it would be nice if they don't win the division so the pick is in the early 20's as opposed to the late 20's.
I mean the playoff picture could easily see a 10-6 squad not get in. Eagles pass rush could cause that Seattle team real issues. If the Bucs, Saints, Cardinals, Rams and Seahawks all win 10, somebody is on the outside looking in.
Given Seattle still has games against Rams and Cardinals left, one other stubbed toe, and they are 10-6....
That team is also a Russel Wilson injury away from being about as good as we are. If what happened to Brees were to happen to Wilson, I can't see Seattle winning a game without him the way that defense is playing.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 16, 2020, 04:27:43 PM
I mean the playoff picture could easily see a 10-6 squad not get in. Eagles pass rush could cause that Seattle team real issues. If the Bucs, Saints, Cardinals, Rams and Seahawks all win 10, somebody is on the outside looking in.There is a 0% chance a 10-6 team misses the playoffs this year. Remember, it's an expanded playoffs this season, so in your scenario, all those teams make the playoffs.
Given Seattle still has games against Rams and Cardinals left, one other stubbed toe, and they are 10-6....
That team is also a Russel Wilson injury away from being about as good as we are. If what happened to Brees were to happen to Wilson, I can't see Seattle winning a game without him the way that defense is playing.
If you want Seattle to miss the playoffs, give them losses to Arizona, Philly, the Rams and 49ers and pray that they miss out at 9-7 to either the 49ers or one of the random NFC North teams.
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
There is a 0% chance a 10-6 team misses the playoffs this year. Remember, it's an expanded playoffs this season, so in your scenario, all those teams make the playoffs.
Completely forgot this was a thing
Post by: reuben on November 16, 2020, 07:53:52 PM
Completely forgot this was a thing
same
Post by: Miamipuck on November 16, 2020, 08:04:28 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 16, 2020, 08:07:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 17, 2020, 02:20:37 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 18, 2020, 06:14:36 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 18, 2020, 08:32:23 AM
https://twitter.com/bmac_sportstalk/status/1328754891335012357?s=21
Was it that difficult for him to understand why people were happy about a late season winning streak?
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 18, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 20, 2020, 08:23:17 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 20, 2020, 08:28:24 AM
Another stinkshow by Jamal last night. Kyler Murray juked him out of his gotch.
He's still hell on wheels as a pass rusher, but he is horrible in coverage and that's more important than getting sacks for a safety.
Post by: MBGreen on November 20, 2020, 08:31:30 AM
He's still hell on wheels as a pass rusher, but he is horrible in coverage and that's more important than getting sacks for a safety.
agreed.
Your post gave me flashbacks to Drew Coleman.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 20, 2020, 02:16:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 21, 2020, 08:55:59 PM
What the cringe
Post by: reuben on November 21, 2020, 09:03:48 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CH4FcwJBkX5/?igshid=17e57wudygpeu
What the cringe
If Crocs made work boots.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 22, 2020, 02:40:25 AM
Man is he such a bitch, thank God he's gone for that haul, I can't imagine how much he would be running that yapper of his if he was still here.
And still demanding top dollar for it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 01, 2020, 07:42:39 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 07, 2020, 12:42:50 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 06:08:14 AM
Jamal is going to be insufferable this week.
Y’all don’t really hear me tho... #Prez
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 06:27:34 AM
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Jamal Adams said he's "pissed off," losing to the Giants:
"A New York team, it hits a little bit different for me. ... It definitely stings."
Plz win Jags
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 07, 2020, 06:45:20 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 07, 2020, 08:09:54 AM
Jamal is going to be insufferable this week.
Anyone who nicknames himself "President" as a rookie...
Post by: Johnny English on December 07, 2020, 08:28:36 AM
Anyone who nicknames himself "President" as a rookie...
That nickname started at LSU.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 07, 2020, 08:32:26 AM
That nickname started at LSU.
Even worse, in a corrupt state capital. I know that's redundant but still.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 02:40:12 PM
And some of you were upset we traded this bitch
Post by: Jumbo on February 03, 2021, 02:42:53 PM
https://twitter.com/notoneofthem_3/status/1357061040140386312?s=20
And some of you were upset we traded this bitch
When he said "I will never forget this story" and pulled out that lame-derriere anecdote lmfaoooo, that pathetic trash talk from a seven year old girl is what got to him?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 02:45:20 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 02:53:03 PM
Why is he still complaining about the Jets? He acted like a gigantic prick to play one extra game than the Jets in 2020.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 03:00:33 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
"Yo broooo, broo, yo broo... something something yoo brooo"All gas, no brake...brooo
Post by: Badger on February 03, 2021, 03:49:17 PM
Giants fans need to shut the freak up though.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 03, 2021, 04:22:52 PM
Adams is soft.
Giants fans need to shut the freak up though.
We could win the Super Bowl and they would somehow argue that it wasn't even a real Super Bowl.
Post by: insanity on February 03, 2021, 04:41:43 PM
"I don't like to be the laughing stock, I don't like to be, 'Oh you play for the Jet'"
Are you freaking kidding me?
Then do something about it lover of the older lady.
"I'm a winner. I'm the ultimate competitor"
No you're someone who likes to be on winning teams. freak out of here with that bullshit
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
LSU was a middle of the pack SEC team when he was there. They never won the SEC.
LSU won the Camping World Bowl and the Texas Bowl, but lost in the Music City Bowl when Adams played there.
WHAT A CHAMPION
Post by: reuben on February 03, 2021, 08:16:36 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 03, 2021, 08:47:51 PM
What has Jamal Adams won though?
LSU was a middle of the pack SEC team when he was there. They never won the SEC.
LSU won the Camping World Bowl and the Texas Bowl, but lost in the Music City Bowl when Adams played there.
WHAT A CHAMPION
Rutgers won a Texas Bowl once, I think when Ray Rice was there.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2021, 06:00:23 AM
All these comments don't bother me at all, it's weird. I just feel better and better about the trade every time he runs his mouth.
Regardless of what ultimately happens with the picks, the move was clearly the best thing for us. That guy couldn’t handle NY and couldn’t handle not winning. He’s a phenomenal player but he pretends (actually he believes) he’s a culture guy who can make anybody better. He’s not he’s actually a whiny little bitch who pisses off more people than he helps in the long run.
I enjoyed watching adams drama with Seattle already as I expect he will wear out his welcome there in the long run
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 04, 2021, 07:11:29 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2021, 07:17:36 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 04, 2021, 10:17:51 PM
Regardless of what ultimately happens with the picks, the move was clearly the best thing for us. That guy couldn’t handle NY and couldn’t handle not winning. He’s a phenomenal player but he pretends (actually he believes) he’s a culture guy who can make anybody better. He’s not he’s actually a whiny little bitch who pisses off more people than he helps in the long run.Until he signs a contract extension, there will be contract drama. He'll want a contract this offseason I assume.
I enjoyed watching adams drama with Seattle already as I expect he will wear out his welcome there in the long run
My guess is Seattle will probably make him play out his rookie deal and be ready to franchise him if necessary. I assume there will be some contract drama this offseason, but Jamal will play through it and be mostly fine.
Then in 2022, he either gets the contract he wants, or he acts up on social media under the franchise tag. He'll ask to be tagged at another position and it won't work. He'll sit out training camp, and then he'll probably show up in Week 1 because I do think he wouldn't want to miss the games.
2023, he's traded somewhere else who signs him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2021, 01:21:37 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 03, 2021, 02:08:01 PM
Obviously picks 1 and 2 (especially being QBs) adds an unheard of amount of value for us and the Jags, which is why we are way ahead on the chart. But that 2nd first rounder for both really helps a bunch too.
Sure would be fun as freak if the Seahawks sucked balls this year and that became a top 10 pick.
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2021, 08:12:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 15, 2021, 08:19:06 AM
https://twitter.com/OregonianSports/status/1404458645635665923?s=19
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/400x/74070348/ha-ha-a-good.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 15, 2021, 09:40:49 AM
Need it
Post by: mj2sexay on June 15, 2021, 09:51:40 AM
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1404800980449902593?s=21
Need it
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL freak THIS GUY.
Love how Seattle has essentially backed themselves into a contractual corner paying two firsts and a third for the privilege.
There's absolutely no guarantees that team makes the playoffs this year (I do think they'll make the playoffs).
Post by: MBGreen on June 15, 2021, 10:40:08 AM
@JFowlerESPN
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Adams needs a new contract, but I'm told Seahawks are aware of a potential family/personal issue with Adams that might be a factor here.
wut
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2021, 10:47:15 AM
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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19m
Adams needs a new contract, but I'm told Seahawks are aware of a potential family/personal issue with Adams that might be a factor here.
wut
Uncle Sean?
Post by: MBGreen on June 15, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
Uncle Sean?
Joe Douglas's fleece rating just leveled up a few points.
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
Jeremy FowlerTrying to think what that could possibly mean. Someone doesn't like living in the PNW?
@JFowlerESPN
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19m
Adams needs a new contract, but I'm told Seahawks are aware of a potential family/personal issue with Adams that might be a factor here.
wut
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 15, 2021, 11:51:40 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2021, 02:21:20 PM
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Mike Tannenbaum
@RealTannenbaum
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Seattle traded away 2 first-rd picks, a third rd pick, and Bradley McDougald for Jamal Adams last summer
Following 2021, Adams will become a FA
An extension prior to the trade would have ensured they’d have him long term—they now face a similar situation HOU had w/Tunsil
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Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2021, 04:14:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2021, 03:19:33 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2021, 03:39:24 PM
https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1419737346212257798?s=21
Can we safely assume he’s going to hold out of Seattle? Dude is a colossal me first prick that thinks he’s gods gift to the world and is the greatest leader ever. But he sure as hell isn’t any of that
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2021, 04:17:37 PM
Can we safely assume he’s going to hold out of Seattle? Dude is a colossal me first prick that thinks he’s gods gift to the world and is the greatest leader ever. But he sure as hell isn’t any of that
$50k fine per day. Should be fun.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2021, 04:50:49 PM
They can tag him for back to back after this
His only leverage is they gave up a retarded amount of draft capital for him
And they literally have no reason to bend over for him
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2021, 09:32:23 PM
Can we safely assume he’s going to hold out of Seattle? Dude is a colossal me first prick that thinks he’s gods gift to the world and is the greatest leader ever. But he sure as hell isn’t any of thatRapoport says he plans to report whether a deal is done or not.
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2021, 01:12:47 AM
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Though contract talks aren't accelerating as planned, the star safety is expected to report on time for Seattle's training camp as the two sides continue to work towards a record-breaking extension.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 27, 2021, 04:48:53 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 30, 2021, 08:26:09 AM
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Jamal Adams and LT Duane Brown are not participating in practice at Seahawks camp as they wait for contract extensions.
Both players reported to avoid fines, but neither is going in the early days of Seahawks camp as they hope for the finishing touches to be put on new contracts. It's the same approach Bobby Wagner successfully employed two years ago. The fact that the Seahawks aren't making a stink about it strongly suggests deals are on the way.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Go ahead and give him his 20 million so I can continue laughing. Thank goodness we avoided this freaking absolute mess of a headache.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 30, 2021, 12:22:11 PM
Hilarious and let’s see this continue for ever
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2021, 09:46:33 AM
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RENTON — The Seahawks and star safety Jamal Adams remained locked in a $70 million staring contest Wednesday, each holding firm on their “final” offer put forth late last week, daring the other to blink.
When training camp began two weeks ago, the two sides were roughly $4 million apart in annual compensation for Adams, sources told The Seattle Times.
After back-and forth negotiations over the next week, they were close to a meet-in-the-middle agreement.
On Friday, the Seahawks made what they labeled their final offer: $17.5 million in total annual compensation on a four-year contract, with roughly $38 million guaranteed, a deal that would make Adams the highest-paid safety in the NFL.
The average per year, though, also would be just below the $18 million of middle linebacker Bobby Wagner, a key consideration for the Seahawks in leaving the 10-year veteran and longtime defensive captain as the highest-paid defensive player on the team.
Adams’ representatives seemed amenable to that salary package and then countered with what they saw as a reasonable request: $40 million in guarantees, $2 million more than the Seahawks’ offer.
Adams’ camp also wanted to move bonus money into the first three years of the contract; the Seahawks prefer to spread it over all four years.
The Seahawks, a source said, are “not budging” on their offer.
And Adams, 25, has made it clear he will not play until his new deal is signed, even as he is “champing at the bit” to practice with the team, another source said. Adams has remained active and engaged in team meetings throughout camp.
The two sides have not engaged in negotiations since Friday, and each appears willing to wait out the other until deep into training camp.
Before arriving in Seattle a year ago, Adams was New York tabloid-headline fodder for much of his final two seasons playing for the Jets — drama he believed he had to manufacture to force his way out of a “dysfunctional” organization, a source said.
It worked. The Seahawks traded a massive haul — two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a starting safety — to the Jets for Adams, one of the NFL’s most versatile defenders and a first-team All-Pro in 2019.
Because the Seahawks gave up so much to get Adams, the general thinking coming into training camp this year was the player had the leverage in these negotiations. And Adams, it appears, is trying to use every ounce of that leverage. Even still, most figured a deal would get done, and both sides had hoped to have that deal done by now.
And while general perception might exist that Adams has the leverage, NFL rules give Seattle some ability to play hardball.
Specifically, each side knows the Seahawks could use the franchise tag on Adams in each of the next two years. According to OvertheCap.com, the franchise tag for safeties in 2022 is projected to be $12.4 million.
Seattle could again slap the tag on Adams in 2023 for what is projected to be somewhere in the $15 million range.
That means Seattle essentially holds the rights to Adams for the next three years at what would be a total of about $37-38 million (a total that also is in line with what the Seahawks are offering Adams in guaranteed money).
Adams could then become a free agent in 2024 at the age of 28 after having played four seasons for the Seahawks.
The Seahawks have been reluctant to use the franchise tag, having done so only twice since 2010, and once solely so they could retain the rights to Frank Clark while working out a trade.
But Adams is a unique case, and the team could see it as a viable option.
Adams would undoubtedly chafe at the idea of playing year-to-year, which is why the general assumption is that this would get resolved before the tag would come into play. Still, it’s something the Seahawks can use in negotiations as something they could realistically enact.
And while Adams has been “holding in’’ — he reported for camp July 27 but has not been participating in on-field workouts — NFL rules would essentially force Adams to play this year or not only risk losing his $9.8 million salary for this season but also having his contract toll, meaning the season would not count toward free agency.
Specifically, since Adams has reported to camp, if he were to later leave, the Seahawks can send him what is termed a “five-day letter,’’ which informs him that he can be placed on the reserve/left squad list if he doesn’t return.
Going on the list not only ends a player’s season but also prevents him from playing on another team even if traded, and also means the contract tolls.
By reporting to camp, Adams avoided the possibility of being fined up to $40,000 a day, the amount teams can fine players who are still on rookie contracts. A 2020 change in the league’s Collective Bargaining Agreement states teams can no longer waive the fines, as was often the case in the past, essentially forcing players to show up.
Adams, a source said, had wanted to avoid this kind of drama in Seattle.
At every turn in his first season here, Adams gushed about the Seahawks.
Carroll, in turn, was effusive in his praise of his newest playmaker, who led the team with 9 1/2 sacks, an NFL record for a defensive back, even while Adams missed a month because of a shoulder injury.
Adams had shoulder surgery in the offseason and procedures on two broken fingers, but he is 100% healthy now, a source said.
Seattle Times
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
Hey, knock the guy all you want, he got a bigger deal than he would have gotten here. Squeaky wheel, grease, etc....
He doesn’t have a deal yet
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2021, 10:24:47 PM
Lololol
https://twitter.com/57_moore/status/1427095643705774081?s=19
Post by: Libero_2 on August 16, 2021, 05:39:19 AM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1427091388093566979?s=19
Lololol
https://twitter.com/57_moore/status/1427095643705774081?s=19
I love that they felt the need to add that to the headline lol. My only question is, how long will Adams hold out?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2021, 06:49:45 AM
I love that they felt the need to add that to the headline lol. My only question is, how long will Adams hold out?
I think he's going to bend over and cave
It makes too much sense for Seattle to go 5th year option, franchise, franchise, and then break out the transition tag if Jamal somehow proved to be worth 20 million a year in 2024
Adams finally found out what Seattle's limit is. And he almost certainly is going to accept it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2021, 10:28:23 AM
lol
Post by: Heismanberg on August 16, 2021, 11:01:53 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2021, 10:26:05 AM
At least he's finally admitting that he's an LB
“Literally all I do is blitz”
-Jamal in his arbitration hearing
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2021, 01:13:51 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
4 year, $70M extension with $38M guaranteed
not bad for a defensive back with no interceptions
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
not bad for a defensive back with no interceptions
Linebacker*
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 17, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
Linebacker*
yes, of course...haha.
that contract is the cherry on top of the Fleece sundae Joe Douglas served the Seahawks.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 17, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
4 year, $70M extension with $38M guaranteed
Just under $18 million per year
That’s a lot for a safety. ultimately I’m surprised Jamal signed for that “little” guaranteed even though he has absolutely no leverage.
Post by: reuben on August 17, 2021, 06:11:48 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 17, 2021, 06:24:58 PM
He's going to wind up demanding a trade by opening day 2021. Bet.
Fyp
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2021, 06:56:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2021, 10:00:09 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 18, 2021, 11:55:47 AM
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2021, 02:55:39 PM
Why is this still in the Jets forum?No idea what you mean
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2021, 09:32:41 AM
lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
Trade him while he’s hot.
LMAOOOOOOOO
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2021, 12:32:52 PM
LMAOOOOOOOOLots of aged takes in there.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2021, 12:45:56 PM
Lots of aged takes in there.
Guilty.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 09, 2021, 07:59:44 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 09, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 09, 2021, 02:16:08 PM
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1446819230217875465?s=21
I will never get tired of Jets fans slapping that poopchute around by making videos like this.
freak that jackass, pretends he’s the world greatest leader but really he’s just a soft sensitive prick. Dude is not an elite NFL player in their scheme and I hope he rots in Seattle. Or better yet I hope he enjoys their 4-13 year and demands a trade to a “winner” in the offseason and Seattle tells him to freak off
Post by: reuben on October 09, 2021, 09:14:43 PM
Post by: casman02 on October 10, 2021, 09:47:18 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 08, 2021, 06:57:42 AM
@ProFootballTalk
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Seahawks' Jamal Adams out for season with shoulder injury.
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2021, 07:13:24 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2021, 07:18:04 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2021, 07:25:27 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 08, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/640/962/d91.gif)
this is excellent for the Seattle tank
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 08, 2021, 08:14:27 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2021, 08:46:07 AM
this is excellent for the Seattle tank
Jamal Adams doesn't help teams win games.
Post by: MBGreen on December 08, 2021, 08:47:21 AM
Jamal Adams doesn't help teams win games.
his absence hinders their pass rush....which should help them lose games.
Post by: insanity on December 08, 2021, 12:35:49 PM
his absence hinders their pass rush....which should help them lose games.They played better after his injury. Gave up zero points to sf
Post by: MBGreen on December 08, 2021, 01:42:39 PM
They played better after his injury. Gave up zero points to sf
hoping it's an anomaly
Post by: Libero_2 on December 08, 2021, 02:31:15 PM
ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Seahawks' Jamal Adams out for season with shoulder injury.
That actually might make them better
Post by: delavan on December 08, 2021, 09:36:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2021, 08:56:19 AM
Delicious
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2021, 09:08:38 AM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1473657649002598408?s=21They should trade him for two 1sts.
Delicious
Post by: Libero_2 on December 22, 2021, 11:25:52 AM
They should trade him for two 1sts.
Maybe we can get him back for a 7th so we can trade him to Dallas for 2 firsts?
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2021, 08:14:24 AM
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2022, 02:56:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2022, 02:29:24 PM
Post by: delavan on November 23, 2022, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: SixFeetDown
https://twitter.com/prez/status/1595454873553747970?s=46&t=NJBL81EeZt9lR_5FStt4yg
Jamal Adams update:
-out for the season after suffering an injury in Week 1
-has played a total of 25 games for Seattle across 3 seasons
-has yet to record an INT during his tenure with Seattle
Post by: reuben on November 23, 2022, 02:53:57 PM
Jamal Adams update:
-out for the season after suffering an injury in Week 1
-has played in a total of 25 games for Seattle across three seasons
-has yet to record an INT during his tenure with Seattle
Pretty sure he had a couple last season.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 23, 2022, 02:57:17 PM
Pretty sure he had a couple last season.Don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Post by: delavan on November 23, 2022, 03:00:17 PM
Pretty sure he had a couple last season.Then I stand corrected and thx for the heads up - I had copied and pasted from this link:
https://clutchpoints.com/jamal-adams-takes-shot-at-jets-over-zach-wilson-debacle?
Quote from: Derek Smalls
Don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.mea maxima culpa
Post by: dcm1602 on November 23, 2022, 07:03:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 07, 2023, 11:46:59 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 07, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
I was thrilled with the return at the time, and it's aged like fine wine.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 07, 2023, 11:58:41 AM
Post by: reuben on September 07, 2023, 02:43:40 PM
We have an Adams for under a mill. It's going to be hilarious if he's good.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 07, 2023, 03:27:50 PM
Imagine a 27 million dollar cap number in one year for a box safety.
We have an Adams for under a mill. It's going to be hilarious if he's good.
It’s quite possible our Adams will be a better safety than Jamal Adams will be for Seattle this year. That’s before you account for their relative cap hits
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 07, 2023, 03:56:00 PM
I was upset when he was traded and I was dead wrong about it.
i was upset that we had lost a young 'star' player from a bad (our bad) franchise bereft of talent, but was pleased with the return and understood it from a business perspective.
the returns have been better than i could have imagined.
fvck this guy. all luv tho!
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2023, 05:20:29 PM
Imagine a 27 million dollar cap number in one year for a box safety."We have Adams at home."
We have an Adams for under a mill. It's going to be hilarious if he's good.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2023, 11:58:27 PM
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2023, 07:49:39 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2023, 07:56:33 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2023, 08:21:54 PM
Abysmal contract to justify the abysmal trade
Post by: steves850 on October 04, 2023, 05:00:58 PM
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NFL is considering discipline against Seahawks’ Jamal Adams for his actions toward the independent concussion doctor appointed by the NFL and NFLPA following his concussion sideline evaluation in Monday night’s game. - Schefter
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 04, 2023, 05:14:23 PM
adams is already at baseline a very dramatic, emotional person. he used to talk again and again about how he was depressed and would sit in the dark in his room due to our losing nature his first couple of years in the league. as a fanbase we were exposed to his often unnecessary emotional antics over and over. you don't have to be a doctor to imagine what harmful sequelae adding CTE on top of all of that would cause for his health and for his family.
adams may not yet realize it because he's a bum but that unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant was making a decision for the betterment of his life. that's the whole point of having impartial physicians out there.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2023, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: guinness77 on December 01, 2023, 05:06:28 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2023, 05:06:50 PM
He took it down because he knows he's a piece of excrement, but here it is.
Post by: casman02 on December 01, 2023, 05:53:17 PM
Post by: reuben on December 01, 2023, 07:17:29 PM
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Will
@twentee7
Whoa. @Connor_J_Hughes raises the bar with his coverage. The tweet from @Prez is a below the belt attack on a great reporter with a beautiful family
Look, we can condemn Jamal Adams and praise Mrs. Hughes' looks without resorting to complimenting Connor Hughes. Be better
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2023, 07:27:00 PM
Look, we can condemn Jamal Adams and praise Mrs. Hughes' looks without resorting to complimenting Connor Hughes. Be better
Yea that was the least necessary thing that happened in this whole ordeal.
Post by: reuben on December 01, 2023, 08:31:53 PM
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Soytaco
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4 hr. ago
Adams doesn't deserve to be a Seahawk.
Ps am I supposed to think she's ugly? I'm legit confused. @Jamal your face looks like it got hit by a bus and you're talking excrement?
(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/3115373.png)
Mfer looks like an RPG character that didn't have any points left to put into intelligence because he spent them all on neck.
lmao
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2023, 08:50:20 PM
https://x.com/uSTADIUM/status/1730707918683574389?s=20Ax to the face
He took it down because he knows he's a piece of excrement, but here it is.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 02, 2023, 01:08:38 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 02, 2023, 03:47:49 AM
Ashtyn Davis has more career interceptions than this turd
If only we could trade Ashtyn Davis for 2 1s and a 3 in the next two drafts. Boy would we be sitting pretty now!
Post by: casman02 on December 02, 2023, 01:25:39 PM
I think someone needs to have a conversation with Adams.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 02, 2023, 01:27:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2023, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 02, 2023, 01:37:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 02, 2023, 02:10:59 PM
Costello is definitely Mr Potato Head tho
Not gonna lie, that's good. 2 things can be true.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 02, 2023, 05:47:26 PM
Charmin
Softest player in the league. Weirdest part is that he legitimately thinks he’s not just a superstar but a legit hall of fame player, despite every ounce of evidence to the contrary.
Dude is a complete poopchute off the field and we are so much better off having not kept him around
Post by: dcm1602 on December 02, 2023, 07:25:12 PM
Did he have a Burfict moment that changed the course of history?
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2023, 10:17:43 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 03, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
Jamal Adams is like Trump. Insults can be funny and somewhat true when they aren't problematic.
His insults are meaningless when he’s getting dogwalked on the field
Oh, Coz sucks at his job? He’s just lucky it would be unprofessional for a reporter to say something like that about him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2023, 05:27:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2023, 06:47:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 07, 2023, 08:19:28 AM
https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article282763138.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2023, 08:50:53 AM
Jamal needs someone to familiarise him with the expression "when in a hole, stop digging".
https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article282763138.html
Who’s gonna say it?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 07, 2023, 09:11:14 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 19, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2023, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2023, 02:55:45 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 19, 2023, 03:51:28 PM
https://x.com/ustadium/status/1737201099210170630?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Thank goodness he is a team first guy that is only in this for his brothers. Would hate to see what a selfish player would do
Post by: Libero_2 on December 19, 2023, 03:51:40 PM
Was that because of his bad play or the fact he's a bundle of sticks?
Yes
Post by: mj2sexay on March 05, 2024, 01:24:43 PM
Post by: casman02 on March 05, 2024, 01:40:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 05, 2024, 01:45:49 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 05, 2024, 07:31:28 PM
We're going to bring him back
if we give him money over onlyfans i will lose it
Post by: bojanglesman on March 05, 2024, 07:52:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2024, 10:35:09 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 06, 2024, 12:02:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1765106389855203533