Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2020, 09:28:22 AM
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It’s the Jets lucky day and all the OL are available at 11. Who’s the best fit and why?
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Wirfs is my choice. Dude's got elite athleticism and versatility.
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Wirfs feels pretty busy proof. He has exceptional athleticism giving him every opportunity to excel at LT. He has loads of experience at RT to fall back on if he fails on the left. If he somehow manages not to be great on the outside tons of people believe he could be a guard on the caliber of Quentin Nelson/Zach Martin.
He’s the guy I want
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Mount Becton
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Mount Becton
I agree. Wirfs may be a better guard than tackle. Wills is a close 2nd but Becton has the size and speed for that size that could lead him to be a perennial all-pro at LT as he improves technique. That extra ceiling over all the rest makes me pick Becton.
I hate to compare him to Jonathan Ogden but its hard to ignore the size comparison at least.
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I hate to compare him to Jonathan Ogden but its hard to ignore the size comparison at least.
The Bryant McKinnie comparisons have always been there for him.
He loves football and he has managed his weight so far during his career. The dude is just an absolute freak of an athlete at the tackle position.
Tristan Wirfs is an elite testing athlete and he moves extremely well, but he doesn't have the same kind of power that Becton shows.
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Becton reminds me of Mckinnie and Ogden
I got him as the highest ceiling. He's the one I least expect to fall with at least 3 teams needing OT in front of us
Wirfs would be my 2nd choice , versatility and athleticism
Wills 3rd .
Thomas 4th
I'm happy with any of them .
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Andrew Thomas
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Daniel Jeremiah
Mekhi Becton and Quenton Nelson are the 2 best finishers in the run game that I’ve evaluated since 2003.
PFF has Becton as the 5th ranked OT behind Josh Jones
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Mekhi Becton is the best run blocking lineman I've seen since 2002.
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Becton is 6'7 364 and he's not even 21 years old yet.
He has more potential than ANY prospect that I can remember.
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Andrew Thomas
I'm happy with any of the 4, but I still also lean Thomas...maybe Wills close second.
I like each of their respective floors, esp Thomas. But I also agree that Becton has an insane ceiling.
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I trust our fat GM to decide which OL is best
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I voted Thomas, but think I would rank them
1. Wills
2. Thomas
3. Becton
4. Wirfs
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Watch Marlon Davidson against Georgia
I really soured on Thomas watching him get obliterated
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I also really like what Tristan Wirfs did against Josh Uche
Kicked his derriere all over the field
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I'm hoping one of the "W W" tackles fall to #11. Wills or Wirfs in that order.
If all that is left at #11 is Thomas, I'm passing for one of the Bama receivers. Ruggs my first choice.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29034722/scouting-nfl-draft-best-tackles-finding-best-fits-giants-jets
ESPN talked with talent evaluators to rank the 4 OL we've been discussing for an eternity, by attributing points in rank order (4 points for #1, etc...) Interesting note, Wirfs did not receive any 1st or 4th place votes.
TL;DR
Total Pts
1. Mekhi Becton 32
2. Jedrick Wills Jr. 31
3. Tristan Wirfs 23
4. Andrew Thomas 22
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ESPN talked with talent evaluators to rank the 4 OL we've been discussing for an eternity, by attributing points in rank order (4 points for #1, etc...) Interesting note, Wirfs did not receive any 1st or 4th place votes.
TL;DR
Total Pts
1. Mekhi Becton 32
2. Jedrick Wills Jr. 31
3. Tristan Wirfs 23
4. Andrew Thomas 22
Tristan Wirfs is seen as a right tackle only prospect that may have to convert to guard. I really think he can play on either side as a tackle in a zone blocking scheme because he's strong as hell and he's a great athlete. But these evaluators, especially the old school guys, dwell on length at left tackle.
Mekhi Becton, on paper, is the best tackle prospect since Bryant McKinnie, maybe Jonathan Ogden/Orlando Pace.
Don't think we have a shot at him.
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Very telling stat about the Jets:
Every other team has taken at least two linemen in the top 50 over that span, according to Elias Sports Bureau research.
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Don't think we have a shot at him.
Somebody's going to release a video of him smoking weed through a crazy bong on draft night and he's going to be available at 11
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Somebody's going to release a video of him smoking weed through a crazy bong on draft night and he's going to be available at 11
You have some work to do
Get on it
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Otw to Mount Bectons house
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Otw to Mount Bectons house
LETS GO
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But weed is not a problem anymore. One of you run up to him and kiss him on the mouth, we can pick him up in the 6th round.
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He shook my hand breed tub and walked away
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But weed is not a problem anymore. One of you run up to him and kiss him on the mouth, we can pick him up in the 6th round.
Someone get Mantana Soss to photoshop him into a pic with Michael Sam
Now that I'm thinking about it, into a picture with Mantana Soss*
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Watch Marlon Davidson against Georgia
I really soured on Thomas watching him get obliterated
You were obliterated on whisky sours watching that game. : ) As much as I learn from many of your takes, in this case the idea of Thomas getting his head handed to him by Davidson is poppycock. Having no life I downloaded Ga-Auburn, played scroll bar jockey and replayed each Georgia offensive play to check out Thomas and outside of one sack (and that was with extenuating circumstances, more on that later), I came away impressed with Thomas. With all due respect, I thought Thomas got the better of Davidson (whom Auburn often moved around and away from Thomas).
The one sack: 1:12 left the 1st half: Davidson did gain leverage inside Thomas' back shoulder, however on the other side of the LOS, Auburn's Derick Brown and LB Bryant stunted and Georgia's RG #77 chased Brown too far outside towards RT Isaiah Wilson and as a result was too late reaching back to cover the inside gap which gave the LB the A-gap which prevented QB Fromm from stepping up into the pocket. The one time Davidson got the better of Thomas, Georgia's RG was really the one who screwed up.
8:32 left 3rd qtr (2nd & 8): Thomas stones Davidson, Brown makes the tackle, Davidson starts finger-wagging and strutting like Kyle Wilson while Brad Nesser & Gary Danielson give Davidson underserved ball-washing credit.
5:10 left 3rd qtr: Davidson beat on the edge ends up guilty of an ugly horsecollar tackle.
4:00 left 3rd qtr: Thomas rag-dolls an Auburn DE aside then peels off and walks a 2nd level defender down the field.
1:15 left 3rd qtr: Thomas-Davidson: Davidson gives a half-hearted effort; not a factor.
Auburn threw Davidson, Brown and a lot of 'quick' change up defenders at Thomas who imho handled himself very well. I honestly wouldn't mind if he (as the remaining "4th" OT) were still available at #11. *end rambling*
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You were obliterated on whisky sours watching that game. : ) As much as I learn from many of your takes, in this case the idea of Thomas getting his head handed to him by Davidson is poppycock. Having no life I downloaded Ga-Auburn, played scroll bar jockey and replayed each Georgia offensive play to check out Thomas and outside of one sack (and that was with extenuating circumstances, more on that later), I came away impressed with Thomas. With all due respect, I thought Thomas got the better of Davidson (whom Auburn often moved around and away from Thomas).
The one sack: 1:12 left the 1st half: Davidson did gain leverage inside Thomas' back shoulder, however on the other side of the LOS, Auburn's Derick Brown and LB Bryant stunted and Georgia's RG #77 chased Brown too far outside towards RT Isaiah Wilson and as a result was too late reaching back to cover the inside gap which gave the LB the A-gap which prevented QB Fromm from stepping up into the pocket. The one time Davidson got the better of Thomas, Georgia's RG was really the one who screwed up.
8:32 left 3rd qtr (2nd & 8): Thomas stones Davidson, Brown makes the tackle, Davidson starts finger-wagging and strutting like Kyle Wilson while Brad Nesser & Gary Danielson give Davidson underserved ball-washing credit.
5:10 left 3rd qtr: Davidson beat on the edge ends up guilty of an ugly horsecollar tackle.
4:00 left 3rd qtr: Thomas rag-dolls an Auburn DE aside then peels off and walks a 2nd level defender down the field.
1:15 left 3rd qtr: Thomas-Davidson: Davidson gives a half-hearted effort; not a factor.
Auburn threw Davidson, Brown and a lot of 'quick' change up defenders at Thomas who imho handled himself very well. I honestly wouldn't mind if he (as the remaining "4th" OT) were still available at #11. *end rambling*
I really don't understand how you're blaming the guard on the sack. Davidson completely out-leveraged Thomas on that play and drives him into the backfield with one arm and had him completely off-balance. He took his lunch and Thomas ended up watching Jake Fromm get sacked from his back.
He beat Thomas off the ball several times and drove him into the backfield consistently. It's a heavyweight fight. Davidson was the more powerful player. And of course Auburn is going to move Davidson around. He's a chess piece up front.
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Otw to Mount Bectons house
McKinney Ogden time
I pray teams get scared off by his size and worry to the point this freak falls to 11
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Sooooooo....I guess you did it?
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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Multiple players had drug tests flagged at the NFL Combine & among those is projected top 10 pick #Louisville OT Mekhi Becton, I’m told. Teams were made aware of this. Becton had no failed drug tests in college. Per new CBA rules, he goes into Stage 1 for no more than 60 days.
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LETS GO SFD!
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Mekhi Weedtits.
Spread a rumor that its crack and we can get him in the 3rd.
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“How you lose draft stock on your day off?”
-John Witherspoon
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“How you lose draft stock on your day off?”
-John Witherspoon
Draft stonks
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Red flag. Off my board
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If he's there at 11, you run to the podium and draft his fat derriere.
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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@RVacchianoSNY
Jets GM Joe Douglas on players who had drug tests flagged at the combine, like Louisville OT Mekhi Becton: "As far as the actual test, we’ve all made mistakes in life." He added they'd dig into it, but it sounded like he wouldn't dismiss a player just on a failed test.
please fall to us
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please fall to us
Do it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200420/77c1c21ab0511d74e41c23bf85ddb093.gif)
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Why is anyone going to push a player down their board for using a drug which is a) legal in many states, b) not performance enhancing, and c) not prohibited under the NFL's latest rules?
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Why is anyone going to push a player down their board for using a drug which is a) legal in many states, b) not performance enhancing, and c) not prohibited under the NFL's latest rules?
These old idiots that own and/or run a lot of these teams are so archaic when it comes to evaluating character.
Bill Polian was one of the absolute worst and there's plenty of there still like him.
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Why is anyone going to push a player down their board for using a drug which is a) legal in many states, b) not performance enhancing, and c) not prohibited under the NFL's latest rules?
Because it shows that the player doesn’t have the mental fortitude to not smoke an illegal substance that they know will be tested for in the most important 6 month build up of their lives.
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Why is anyone going to push a player down their board for using a drug which is a) legal in many states, b) not performance enhancing, and c) not prohibited under the NFL's latest rules?
First off I don't think it should.
But, the real argument isn't about whether it's legal or any of that stuff. You know they are going to test you for it, you know it will hurt your standing if you get caught, why the blue hell would you smoke pot during the draft process? I've said it before, if the NFL draft community frowned upon eating chocolate cake during the draft process, then you should lay off the cake until you get drafted. So either he can't say no to pot or he made idiotic decision. Neither of those outcomes we're going to help him.
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my preferred draft wish list for us is increasingly becoming any of the top OTs in the 1st (becton/wills/wirfs), mims in the 2nd, and a center and one of a WR/CB/RB/EDGE with the two 3rds
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my preferred draft wish list for us is increasingly becoming any of the top OTs in the 1st (becton/wills/wirfs), mims in the 2nd, and a center and one of a WR/CB/RB/EDGE with the two 3rds
Yes please.
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...I’m still undecided and have all 4 within a pretty close margin of each other
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What's peoples opinions on Wirfs vs. Wills specifically? They seem to get lumped together, but in different orders.
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What's peoples opinions on Wirfs vs. Wills specifically? They seem to get lumped together, but in different orders.
Wirfs might be better a guard, but has more than enough athleticism to play either tackle spot in a zone scheme.
Wills has always been an elite guard prospect to me, but he can also play all over the line.
The biggest reason I am so fond of Mekhi Becton as a prospect is that he's experienced as a left tackle and he has the size/length to be dominant out there.
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Wirfs might be better a guard, but has more than enough athleticism to play either tackle spot in a zone scheme.
Wills has always been an elite guard prospect to me, but he can also play all over the line.
The biggest reason I am so fond of Mekhi Becton as a prospect is that he's experienced as a left tackle and he has the size/length to be dominant out there.
I've never been able to figure out why one is better than the other. Even their names are similar.
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I've never been able to figure out why one is better than the other. Even their names are similar.
They are both good. I trust Kirk Ferentz at Iowa to develop offensive linemen. Wirfs is a really good player.
I think that Becton has the best chance of being elite though.
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Saw the Rapsheet/NFLN mock draft, they had the Jets trading up to 9 with the Jags to jump the Browns for an OL. Probably cost one of the 3rds or a 4th. Totally worth it if the right guy is there.
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Saw the Rapsheet/NFLN mock draft, they had the Jets trading up to 9 with the Jags to jump the Browns for an OL. Probably cost one of the 3rds or a 4th. Totally worth it if the right guy is there.
I have pretty much convinced myself that if we want one of the 4 tackles we're going to need to trade up to do it, and I am 100% supportive of us doing so.
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These old idiots that own and/or run a lot of these teams are so archaic when it comes to evaluating character.
Bill Polian was one of the absolute worst and there's plenty of there still like him.
I can picture a lot of those types of GMs saying this:
Because it shows that the player doesn’t have the mental fortitude to not smoke an illegal substance that they know will be tested for in the most important 6 month build up of their lives.
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I have pretty much convinced myself that if we want one of the 4 tackles we're going to need to trade up to do it, and I am 100% supportive of us doing so.
I don't think all 4 will be gone by 11, it's a question of whether he likes who is left.
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If two tackles come off the board in the top five, we'll have to move up for one.
The Giants and Dolphins could take tackles. We need Gettleman to take Simmons and for Miami to either trade up for Tua or sit at 5 and draft Herbert. That is the best case scenario for us.
Hopefully someone takes a wideout in the top ten too.
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Someone pull a Tyson Alualu plz
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Someone pull a Tyson Alualu plz
I think we'll see some interesting picks between 15-20.
Isaiah Wilson/Ezra Cleveland/Josh Jones
One or two of them could go earlier than expected
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I can picture a lot of those types of GMs saying this:
You guys can poke fun but I’m right most of the time
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I think we'll see some interesting picks between 15-20.
Isaiah Wilson/Ezra Cleveland/Josh Jones
One or two of them could go earlier than expected
But can we get some off the wall in the top 10?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fht3dfPVfs0&feature=emb_title
One of the best offensive line coaches to ever do it ranks the OT prospects.
1. Mekhi Becton
2. Andrew Thomas
3. Tristan Wirfs
4. Austin Jackson
5. Josh Jones
6. Jedrick Wills
A lot of old school coaches and general managers are likely going to evaluate like Mike Tice. Wouldn't be surprised to see Dave Gettleman take Becton at #4.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fht3dfPVfs0&feature=emb_title
One of the best offensive line coaches to ever do it ranks the OT prospects.
1. Mekhi Becton
2. Andrew Thomas
3. Tristan Wirfs
4. Austin Jackson
5. Josh Jones
6. Jedrick Wills
A lot of old school coaches and general managers are likely going to evaluate like Mike Tice. Wouldn't be surprised to see Dave Gettleman take Becton at #4.
Wow that's surprising to see wills so low
Also judging by his shirt it looks like he lives 10 minutes from me
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fht3dfPVfs0&feature=emb_title
One of the best offensive line coaches to ever do it ranks the OT prospects.
1. Mekhi Becton
2. Andrew Thomas
3. Tristan Wirfs
4. Austin Jackson
5. Josh Jones
6. Jedrick Wills
A lot of old school coaches and general managers are likely going to evaluate like Mike Tice. Wouldn't be surprised to see Dave Gettleman take Becton at #4.
Someone was pounding their meat to Becton highlights at 2am
Good man
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Wow that's surprising to see wills so low
Also judging by his shirt it looks like he lives 10 minutes from me
I'd still be happy taking Wills at 11.
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Literally any of the 4
Just any of them lol
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i ask this because i don't trust my ability to evaluate OTs and am interested in your guys' input
how boom or bust is becton as a prospect? does he have enough of a floor to guarantee that at the very least he'll be a solid/dependable starter?
i'm asking because i was watching the 2014 draft last night, and i'd hate to be the team that puts their eggs on a high ceiling prospect like greg robinson that completely misses, while higher floor guys like jake matthews, lewan, zack martin, bitonio, ja'wauan james etc turned out either eons better or were more dependable pieces/starters for the respective teams that drafted them
this may be a moot point anyways if all the smokescreens are correct and the OTs are all gone by 11
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Literally any of the 4
Just any of them lol
This is where I’m at
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i ask this because i don't trust my ability to evaluate OTs and am interested in your guys' input
how boom or bust is becton as a prospect? does he have enough of a floor to guarantee that at the very least he'll be a solid/dependable starter?
Mike Tice drafted Bryant McKinnie and he said on his podcast that Becton is a better prospect.
At worst, Becton will be a serviceable right tackle.
The only thing that worries me about a guy that big is injury.
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Mike Tice drafted Bryant McKinnie and he said on his podcast that Becton is a better prospect.
At worst, Becton will be a serviceable right tackle.
The only thing that worries me about a guy that big is injury.
People parrot the "lazy" argument. I don't know him well enough, but I'm willing to take a chance on a dancing grizzly bear.
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Mike Tice drafted Bryant McKinnie and he said on his podcast that Becton is a better prospect.
At worst, Becton will be a serviceable right tackle.
The only thing that worries me about a guy that big is injury.
He said he was more athletic.
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He said he was more athletic.
Man, go eat your shitty pizza
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Man, go eat your shitty pizza
Go back to fapping about Mt Becton
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People parrot the "lazy" argument. I don't know him well enough, but I'm willing to take a chance on a dancing grizzly bear.
And I've heard the lack of killer instinct.
Just give me any of the four. I haven't watched much tape on any of them.
Whichever OT we draft, I will immediately spin as a great pick and the best of the four.
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Go back to fapping about Mt Becton
Any real fan didn't stop fapping.
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What's this about pizza?
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Someone was pounding their meat to Becton highlights at 2am
Good man
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Andrew Thomas allowed 9 pressures yesterday
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He caught a touchdown though. Wake me up when Becton catches a touchdown.
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https://twitter.com/brandonthornnfl/status/1346122174403407873?s=21
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"Rookie offensive linemen aren’t supposed to come into the league and be as good as Wirfs has been in his first season," wrote Pro Football Focus. "His 82.2 overall PFF grade ranks second at the right tackle position behind only Jack Conklin, and Wirfs has earned that by going toe to toe with some of the best edge defenders in the league."
"Wirfs showed he could handle different styles of pass-rushers all season — holding each of Cameron Jordan, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, and Brian Burns to three or fewer pressures over 15-plus pass-blocking snaps. It’s hard to imagine things breaking better for the Buccaneers, who got what appears to be the top rookie tackle in a talented class as the fourth offensive tackle to come off the board in the 2020 NFL Draft."
PFF
Wirfs: 1,073 snaps, 3 penalties, 1 sack allowed, 82.2 PFF grade
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I'll take the Big Ticket all day long.
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The two best OL candidates were the two that were on the board for us. I feel that was the board consensus, too.