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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: loyaljetsfan on March 24, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
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I think we should spend quarantine time discussing the weapons (or lack thereof) around Sam. I feel good about the TE's we have. WR needs a lot of help, which we can address in draft. Hopefully Bell will be more productive behind the improved OL
Here's who we got:
Tight Ends
Ryan Griffin
Chris Herndon
Trevon Wesco
Wide Receivers
Josh Bellamy
Braxton Berrios
Jamison Crowder
Josh Doctson
Quincy "Mr. Glass" Enunwa
Vyncint Smith
Running Back
Le'veon Bell
Josh Adams
Trenton Cannon
Kenneth Dixon
Jalin Moore
Available FA
B. Perriman
Tajae Sharpe
Devin Funchess
Devonta Freeman
How do we improve this group? Discuss.
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CeeDee Lamb and Jalen Reagor
Jerry Jeudy and Devin Duvernay
Henry Ruggs and Justin Jefferson
Laviska Shenault and Lynn Bowman
Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman
Sign a vet WR who is decent (Perriman?) and load up on rookies. Draft a RB late.
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Top WR Available
1. Breshad Perriman
2. Paul Richardson
3. Devin Funchess
4. Taylor Gabriel
5. Rashard Higgins
6. Demaryius Thomas
7. Tajae Sharpe
8. Demarcus Robinson
(Josh Gordon)
I expect one of the guys above to be a Jet before the draft. While we will likely draft a lot of WR in this draft, we would be pretty exposed with Crowder and Smith as the only relevant WR on the roster.
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Top WR Available
1. Breshad Perriman
2. Paul Richardson
3. Devin Funchess
4. Taylor Gabriel
5. Rashard Higgins
6. Demaryius Thomas
I expect one of the guys above to be a Jet before the draft. While we will likely draft a lot of WR in this draft, we would be pretty exposed with Crowder and Smith as the only relevant WR on the roster.
I’d bet we sign 2, one that’s got no guaranteed money, so he could be cut in TC if the draft goes our way and we get some talented WRs
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I’d bet we sign 2, one that’s got no guaranteed money, so he could be cut in TC if the draft goes our way and we get some talented WRs
We already signed Josh Doctson for that role.
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We already signed Josh Doctson for that role.
Totally forgot we had Doctson.
On second thought, we might actually have enough veteran options at WR, assuming we double-dip pretty high at WR.
Doctson, Enunwa, Berrios, Smith and Bellamy are all possible WR3/WR4/WR5 candidates. Hopefully Crowder and one of the rookies can be legitimate starters this year. If both rookies can play right away, then we might be okay. But our WR corps are in rebuilding mode. I'm hoping in a month, it will look a lot more exciting.
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Totally forgot we had Doctson.
On second thought, we might actually have enough veteran options at WR, assuming we double-dip pretty high at WR.
Doctson, Enunwa, Berrios, Smith and Bellamy are all possible WR3/WR4/WR5 candidates. Hopefully Crowder and one of the rookies can be legitimate starters this year. If both rookies can play right away, then we might be okay. But our WR corps are in rebuilding mode. I'm hoping in a month, it will look a lot more exciting.
OK, but don't overlook the fact that Q probably won't ever play again, Doctson has been turd the entire time he has been in the league and Berrios hasn't shown much ability to do anything outside returns (granted not given much chance to either).
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Draft 2 WRs.
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Top WR Available
1. Breshad Perriman
2. Paul Richardson
3. Devin Funchess
4. Taylor Gabriel
5. Rashard Higgins
6. Demaryius Thomas
7. Tajae Sharpe
8. Demarcus Robinson
(Josh Gordon)
2. I was curious about kicking the tires on Paul Richardson, but I'm concerned that SEA signed Dorsett over him. Could be a money thing.
3. I know I'm alone on this, but I think Sam and Funchess could form a good, cheap connection. Just give Sam big bodies
4. He seems like he would fit well in Gase's system, but last year he fell off a cliff
6. For consistency sake I'd like to bring back DT, but there were some games where he just looked like he was done playing
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Perriman actually has legitimate upside if he started to put it together last season.
I used to like Richardson a lot, but he hasn't done anything in a few years. He would probably come very cheap.
I don't hate the idea of Funchess. He's still young as he doesn't turn 26 until May, and he is big and cheap.
Gabriel would fit in the system, but I think we need more of an outside receiver.
Higgins is a guy I liked in college, and he's young and will be cheap.
Demaryius is another year removed from his major injury, so maybe we can squeeze a year out of him if all else fails.
Sharpe and Robinson fit the "young, cheap and have had some moments" group.
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Johnny English brought up Beckham in another thread. I don't think that happens, but I would be completely on board with it if we could hold onto our 1st-round pick.
Brandin Cooks was another guy on the trade market. He's overpaid, but if he's healthy, he can be very good.
With WR values in the tank, this might be a good year to buy low on the WR trade market.
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I wouldn’t mind going OLine and WR with the first four picks.
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Draft WRs
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Johnny English brought up Beckham in another thread. I don't think that happens, but I would be completely on board with it if we could hold onto our 1st-round pick.
Brandin Cooks was another guy on the trade market. He's overpaid, but if he's healthy, he can be very good.
With WR values in the tank, this might be a good year to buy low on the WR trade market.
I'm really curious about Cooks now. Obviously this all depends on his health, but...
If you were the rams and could get even half of his money off the books in exchange for a second round pick that would get you a good wr, that seems like a good trade given his current cap amount, their current cap situation, and cooks' health.
Also, I'm sure Cooks wants to get out of town with that new Rams logo.
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I'm really curious about Cooks now. Obviously this all depends on his health, but...
If you were the rams and could get even half of his money off the books in exchange for a second round pick that would get you a good wr, that seems like a good trade given his current cap amount, their current cap situation, and cooks' health.
Also, I'm sure Cooks wants to get out of town with that new Rams logo.
I'm not giving up the second for anything that's available on the trade market. One of the thirds would be available.
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Draft Wrs
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I'm not giving up the second for anything that's available on the trade market. One of the thirds would be available.
I'm not giving a 1st, 2nd or 3rd for Cooks with his contract. That said, the Rams paid his roster bonus, so on second thought, he might not be going anywhere.
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Totally forgot we had Doctson.
On second thought, we might actually have enough veteran options at WR, assuming we double-dip pretty high at WR.
Doctson, Enunwa, Berrios, Smith and Bellamy are all possible WR3/WR4/WR5 candidates. Hopefully Crowder and one of the rookies can be legitimate starters this year. If both rookies can play right away, then we might be okay. But our WR corps are in rebuilding mode. I'm hoping in a month, it will look a lot more exciting.
Josh Doctson freaking stinks man
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If we don't draft a speed back in the 4th round or later, I will not be happy.
Anthony McFarland or Antonio Gibson
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I'm not giving a 1st, 2nd or 3rd for Cooks with his contract. That said, the Rams paid his roster bonus, so on second thought, he might not be going anywhere.
Yeah, the problem is that with Robby gone the absolute vacuum of talent on our O still, even after FA, is apparent.
Let's say that Woody Johnson decides tomorrow to liquidate the Jets, and Goodell agrees. No more Jets. Entire roster is available immediately in free agency. Who's a coveted player from our offense? Sam obviously, McGovern and Crowder get deals pretty quickly similar to the ones they're on now, Bell gets a job but not on the money he's currently getting. Herndon, van Roten and Griffin all have a market. Does anyone else get signed for anything much above vet min? That's 7 players who are of reasonable NFL standard. After that it's chopped liver, which means that even if we run a 12 package just to get all 7 on the field we still have 4 below average players out there. Are we going to fix all that in the draft?
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Yeah, the problem is that with Robby gone the absolute vacuum of talent on our O still, even after FA, is apparent.
Let's say that Woody Johnson decides tomorrow to liquidate the Jets, and Goodell agrees. No more Jets. Entire roster is available immediately in free agency. Who's a coveted player from our offense? Sam obviously, McGovern and Crowder get deals pretty quickly similar to the ones they're on now, Bell gets a job but not on the money he's currently getting. Herndon, van Roten and Griffin all have a market. Does anyone else get signed for anything much above vet min? That's 7 players who are of reasonable NFL standard. After that it's chopped liver, which means that even if we run a 12 package just to get all 7 on the field we still have 4 below average players out there. Are we going to fix all that in the draft?
It looks like they're going to try to build it all through the draft, but it's still only March.
I'm fine trading for someone like Cooks. I just don't think he has that much value right now. Trading a Day 2 pick is giving up too much for him.
Beckham is a different story. Sure, he has his own issues, but if we can get Beckham for essentially the Hopkins deal (2nd and a 4th), I would take that in a second.
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Draft WRs
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Last year, here were the receivers taken in the first 2 rounds. Deebo, Brown and Metcalf were the standouts. Some of the other guys were buried a bit on the depth chart.
- 25. Marquise Brown: Hurt for a while but had some big games
- 32. N'Keal Harry: Emerged a bit late, but not a huge impact
- 36. Deebo Samuel: Emerged as a stud about halfway through the year
- 51. A.J. Brown: Emerged as a stud about halfway through the year
- 56. Mecole Hardman: Had some flashy plays but was on tough depth chart
- 57. J.J. Arcega-Whiteside: No impact
- 59. Parris Campbell: Hurt for much of the year
- 62. Andy Isabella: Little impact outside of 1 or 2 plays all season
- 64. D.K. Metcalf: Emerged as a stud about halfway through the season
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They should've listened to me and drafted DK Metcalf #3.
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Now that our 3 hours of panic are over, the WRs look a lot better now.
Outside WRs
1. Perriman
2. Enunwa
3. Smith
4. Doctson
5. Bellamy
6. Malone
Inside WRs
1. Crowder
2. Berrios
We can at least play 12 personnel with a good group now. But we still need 2 quality rookies to add to the mix.
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Who knows how Perriman does with a full season starting and if Enunwa will play again, Crowder is historically injury prone, and the rest are mostly trash tier except GOAT Vyncynt Smyth.
Don't really trust the group at all outside of Crowder (if healthy). We definitely need to add at least one player in the draft.
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They should've listened to me and drafted DK Metcalf #3.
Good news: Breshad Perriman is basically older and uglier DK Metcalf.
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Who knows how Perriman does with a full season starting and if Enunwa will play again, Crowder is historically injury prone, and the rest are mostly trash tier except GOAT Vyncynt Smyth.
Don't really trust the group at all outside of Crowder (if healthy). We definitely need to add at least one player in the draft.
Keep an eye on Vyncynt Smyth.
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Keep an eye on Vyncynt Smyth.
Why so he can one day turn into David Clowney?
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Why so he can one day turn into David Clowney?
There's a name I haven't heard in a while.
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CeeDee Lamb and Jalen Reagor
Jerry Jeudy and Devin Duvernay
Henry Ruggs and Justin Jefferson
Laviska Shenault and Lynn Bowman
Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman
https://twitter.com/the3rdferd/status/1242559232613834753?s=21
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Alright I’m back, had to uncontrollably vomit
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Holy excrement that’s sad. I also completely forgot about Jordan White.
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https://twitter.com/the3rdferd/status/1242559232613834753?s=21
That is the epitome of draft ineptitude.
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How did we go from 2008 to 2011 without taking a WR? Seriously we haven’t drafted a useful WR outside of Enunwa in 2014 since Cotchery in 04’.
Literally we have drafted 2 WRs who made significant contributions to us since 2004. What in the freak?
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How did we go from 2008 to 2011 without taking a WR? Seriously we haven’t drafted a useful WR outside of Enunwa in 2014 since Cotchery in 04’.
Literally we have drafted 2 WRs who made significant contributions to us since 2004. What in the freak?
The Jets are probably the single worst drafting team in the last 2 decades. It's unreal how bad they are. I am not sure if it's a mix of not being able to predict talent, poor coaching of prospects and a poor learning environment. Whatever it is this franchise sucks at talent acquisition and development. It's not just WR's, it's pretty much every single position.
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The Jets are probably the single worst drafting team in the last 2 decades. It's unreal how bad they are. I am not sure if it's a mix of not being able to predict talent, poor coaching of prospects and a poor learning environment. Whatever it is this franchise sucks at talent acquisition and development. It's not just WR's, it's pretty much every single position.
Yep, you're exactly right. It's on both sides of the ball.
Aside from Jamal Adams, who was a no-brainer, the best prospect we've probably acquired in the past decade is Snacks Harrison. Leonard Williams Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Darron Lee, Dee Milliner, Kyle Wilson...what the hell.
It says a lot when a UDFA nose tackle is one of the best prospects to come out of the franchise.
We are so bad at drafting talent that Robby Anderson, who really isn't that good of a receiver, is seen as one of the best offensive weapons we've had in quite some time (because he is).
I'm hoping that Chris Herndon turns into a solid player. Obviously, the most important player is Sam Darnold but he's far from a lock right now. Quinnen Williams has all the potential in the world, let's just hope Gregg Williams taps into it.
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Yep, you're exactly right. It's on both sides of the ball.
Aside from Jamal Adams, who was a no-brainer, the best prospect we've probably acquired in the past decade is Snacks Harrison. Leonard Williams Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Darron Lee, Dee Milliner, Kyle Wilson...what the hell.
It says a lot when a UDFA nose tackle is one of the best prospects to come out of the franchise.
We are so bad at drafting talent that Robby Anderson, who really isn't that good of a receiver, is seen as one of the best offensive weapons we've had in quite some time (because he is).
I'm hoping that Chris Herndon turns into a solid player. Obviously, the most important player is Sam Darnold but he's far from a lock right now. Quinnen Williams has all the potential in the world, let's just hope Gregg Williams taps into it.
With the same owners the problem is how do they fix it. You have to be blind not to see how bad the Jets actually are at this entire process. It's not just bad but generationally bad.
If the Jets went out of their way to be this bad at talent acquisition I am not sure they could do a better job.
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With the same owners the problem is how do they fix it. You have to be blind not to see how bad the Jets actually are at this entire process. It's not just bad but generationally bad.
If the Jets went out of their way to be this bad at talent acquisition I am not sure they could do a better job.
We just have to hope that they got it right this time.
Joe Douglas comes from a front office tree that has been very successful. Maybe he's the guy to finally stabilize this franchise. He's done a hell of a job telling homegrown FAs and outside FAs that he's not getting into bidding wars for them. We've never seen that from a GM. Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan always seemed to bid against themselves. JD doesn't seem like he's going to do that.
His approach to free agency this year was very cool to see. Now we just wait to see how he drafts.
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We just have to hope that they got it right this time.
Joe Douglas comes from a front office tree that has been very successful. Maybe he's the guy to finally stabilize this franchise. He's done a hell of a job telling homegrown FAs and outside FAs that he's not getting into bidding wars for them. We've never seen that from a GM. Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan always seemed to bid against themselves. JD doesn't seem like he's going to do that.
His approach to free agency this year was very cool to see. Now we just wait to see how he drafts.
It's refreshing and all for sure, it's just after hoping for 20 years and 4 GM's, hopefully they can get it right.
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We just have to hope that they got it right this time.
Joe Douglas comes from a front office tree that has been very successful. Maybe he's the guy to finally stabilize this franchise. He's done a hell of a job telling homegrown FAs and outside FAs that he's not getting into bidding wars for them. We've never seen that from a GM. Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan always seemed to bid against themselves. JD doesn't seem like he's going to do that.
His approach to free agency this year was very cool to see. Now we just wait to see how he drafts.
I am basing my judgement of his FA performance on how George Fant looks in pads. That one looks like a real flier.
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https://twitter.com/the3rdferd/status/1242559232613834753?s=21
This is why I haven’t given the coaches much flack. Our drafting has been abyzmul. I think the coach is an easy scapegoat for an awful roster
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How did we go from 2008 to 2011 without taking a WR? Seriously we haven’t drafted a useful WR outside of Enunwa in 2014 since Cotchery in 04’.
Literally we have drafted 2 WRs who made significant contributions to us since 2004. What in the freak?
During 2008-2011 we traded for Edwards and Holmes and later signed Burress, with Cotchery still on the team. Brad Smith technically wasn't a WR in the draft but he also played there some. I forget how we got Kerley.
So we addressed WR but not in the draft, except the picks we traded for veterans. Worked for the short term, better than using #2s on Stephen Hill and Devin Smith.
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This is why I haven’t given the coaches much flack. Our drafting has been abyzmul. I think the coach is an easy scapegoat for an awful roster
That's a big reason why I was willing to give Gase another year. I turned on Bowles in Year 2 because he was way too conservative and completely lost the locker room, and I thought the flaws he showed wouldn't correct themselves here. And I really wanted to like Bowles - I thought he was a great hire. Going into Year 2, I was high on Bowles, and he squandered all of that good will. Gase squandered a lot of his good will, but there's still time to turn it around.
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During 2008-2011 we traded for Edwards and Holmes and later signed Burress, with Cotchery still on the team. Brad Smith technically wasn't a WR in the draft but he also played there some. I forget how we got Kerley.
So we addressed WR but not in the draft, except the picks we traded for veterans. Worked for the short term, better than using #2s on Stephen Hill and Devin Smith.
Kerley was a 5th round pick
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We really need to build a WR corps around Sam that will be around for a while for consistency purposes. I remember when Sanchez was at his best, had Edwards, Holmes, and Cotchery. Then they got rid of Edwards and Cotch, brought in Derek Mason and Tebow and completely ruined Dirty
Let's hope they don't ruin Sam too.
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Plax and Holmes weren't exactly models for team chemistry, either.
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We really need to build a WR corps around Sam that will be around for a while for consistency purposes. I remember when Sanchez was at his best, had Edwards, Holmes, and Cotchery. Then they got rid of Edwards and Cotch, brought in Derek Mason and Tebow and completely ruined Dirty
Let's hope they don't ruin Sam too.
That’s why I want to see us double dip at WR in rounds 2 and 3. Let’s start getting some long term pieces with real talent in this house.
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Plax and Holmes weren't exactly models for team chemistry, either.
Derrick Mason might have been the worst one and contributed the least on the field
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I think a better QB overcomes that. Let's face it, Sanchez wasn't that good. I liked him as much as anyone and he gets a lot of undue excrement, but he never took the team on his back when he needed to. Holmes was also culpable, he and Sanchez got the contracts to be the heart of the passing game and neither lived up to it.
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Derrick Mason might have been the worst one and contributed the least on the field
I honestly cannot remember anything from Mason being on the team.
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I think a better QB overcomes that. Let's face it, Sanchez wasn't that good. I liked him as much as anyone and he gets a lot of undue excrement, but he never took the team on his back when he needed to. Holmes was also culpable, he and Sanchez got the contracts to be the heart of the passing game and neither lived up to it.
1. You must be forgetting the 5 or 6 game winning drives Mark had in year 2
2. Not all starting quarterbacks are able to put the team on their back
3. Sanchez never got a second contract from the Jets
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1. You must be forgetting the 5 or 6 game winning drives Mark had in year 2
2. Not all starting quarterbacks are able to put the team on their back
3. Sanchez never got a second contract from the Jets
1. They wouldn't have been in those situations if Sanchez played better.
2. No, but he was certainly drafted to be that guy eventually and didn't even come close.
3. He got a new contract when Peyton spurned the Jets in free agency that off season.
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1. They wouldn't have been in those situations if Sanchez played better.
2. No, but he was certainly drafted to be that guy eventually and didn't even come close.
3. He got a new contract when Peyton spurned the Jets in free agency that off season.
But it didn't keep him on the team any longer than his original rookie deal would have.
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1. They wouldn't have been in those situations if Sanchez played better.
This is such a excrement response led by negative past emotions that only exist because of a departure from reality and objectivity.
The first three years of his career were better than the average quarterback who gets drafted top 15, and he got better every year in every category as the coaching staff was adding more to his plate.
Sanchez may not have been destined to be a franchise quarterback, but if you put your emotions aside and take him for what he was, an above average NFL quarterback that was raw and needed coaching to turn him into a franchise quarterback, you can see that he could have been part of the solution and he wasn't the problem.
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I think a better QB overcomes that. Let's face it, Sanchez wasn't that good. I liked him as much as anyone and he gets a lot of undue excrement, but he never took the team on his back when he needed to. Holmes was also culpable, he and Sanchez got the contracts to be the heart of the passing game and neither lived up to it.
Seriously, Sanchez started his career with arguably the best OL and Defense in the league. Yet somehow because he had a few receivers come and go people cry for him like he got thrown to the wolves.
Sanchez showed what he was, a poor decision maker that could not read defenses well and was prone to turning it over. If he was a great QB he would have worked out for someone else. Instead he’s on TV these days.
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Say what you will about Dirty...he still holds the Jets franchise record for most playoff wins by a QB
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This is such a excrement response led by negative past emotions that only exist because of a departure from reality and objectivity.
The first three years of his career were better than the average quarterback who gets drafted top 15, and he got better every year in every category as the coaching staff was adding more to his plate.
Sanchez may not have been destined to be a franchise quarterback, but if you put your emotions aside and take him for what he was, an above average NFL quarterback that was raw and needed coaching to turn him into a franchise quarterback
I actually liked Sanchez when he was here. There really are no negative emotions toward him. That offense had a lot of talent his second season and he missed so many easy freaking throws that got to be really irritating at times. Probably the worst case of this was the Colts playoff game that year.
His problem was that he turned out to be average when he should have been much more then that. You can blame the coaching staff and front office for much of it, but a lot of it was on him.
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Seriously, Sanchez started his career with arguably the best OL and Defense in the league. Yet somehow because he had a few receivers come and go people cry for him like he got thrown to the wolves.
Sanchez showed what he was, a poor decision maker that could not read defenses well and was prone to turning it over. If he was a great QB he would have worked out for someone else. Instead he’s on TV these days.
Not only was he all that you listed, but he also had this hoo-ha boy pouty mentality on the sideline every time he turned it over. Imagine if he threw a pick six his first NFL throw like Sam did? He would have excrement the bed the rest of the game.
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Not only was he all that you listed, but he also had this hoo-ha boy pouty mentality on the sideline every time he turned it over. Imagine if he threw a pick six his first NFL throw like Sam did? He would have excrement the bed the rest of the game.
Thank you for reminding me. Rex had to implement a red light green light system like Mark was some kind of fuckin retard
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Sanchez was a ticking time bomb with confidence and pocket presence. Ray Lewis called it in the preseason of Sanchez's rookie year, hit him and he'll fold. Once the front office stopped bringing in quality offensive line talent he was done.
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1. You must be forgetting the 5 or 6 game winning drives Mark had in year 2
I've watched each one about a dozen times, was at the Houston game. Was all in at the time.
Seriously, Sanchez started his career with arguably the best OL and Defense in the league. Yet somehow because he had a few receivers come and go people cry for him like he got thrown to the wolves.
Sanchez showed what he was, a poor decision maker that could not read defenses well and was prone to turning it over. If he was a great QB he would have worked out for someone else. Instead he’s on TV these days.
Great O line, #1 running game and Rex's D with Revis in his prime. To his credit he made the most of it, but time ultimately exposes you for what you are. He would have at least had a run as a starter somewhere in the next ten years if he was close to as good as we all thought/hoped he was.
Say what you will about Dirty...he still holds the Jets franchise record for most playoff wins by a QB
Always love him for that, he stepped up late season and playoffs those first two years. No hard feelings towards him but you have to have some perspective. Changing a couple WRs didn't ruin his career, he just wasn't that good. The best WR he had, Holmes, was the one they committed to and he excrement the bed, everyone leaves that part out.
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That OLine went from great to questionable pretty quickly. Even with brick and Mangold in there the rest of the supporting cast went pretty far down hill after Faneca and Woody left.
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That OLine went from great to questionable pretty quickly. Even with brick and Mangold in there the rest of the supporting cast went pretty far down hill after Faneca and Woody left.
And the grading curve changes. As a rookie, second year guy, you live with turnovers, dumb mistakes etc because you feel like he'll get past it. By year 4 when he's still doing the same excrement, that's on him, not the coach or whatever WR we may or may not have wanted.
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And the grading curve changes. As a rookie, second year guy, you live with turnovers, dumb mistakes etc because you feel like he'll get past it. By year 4 when he's still doing the same excrement, that's on him, not the coach or whatever WR we may or may not have wanted.
#FireRex
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That OLine went from great to questionable pretty quickly. Even with brick and Mangold in there the rest of the supporting cast went pretty far down hill after Faneca and Woody left.
WAYNE HUNTER
Worst OL I’ve ever watched in my life. Had a much bigger impact on Sanchez than any of his receivers leaving did.
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And the grading curve changes. As a rookie, second year guy, you live with turnovers, dumb mistakes etc because you feel like he'll get past it. By year 4 when he's still doing the same excrement, that's on him, not the coach or whatever WR we may or may not have wanted.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the team ruined a future HOF player, I just think there were more things wrong with that team than Sanchez.
Like this:
WAYNE HUNTER
Worst OL I’ve ever watched in my life. Had a much bigger impact on Sanchez than any of his receivers leaving did.
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Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the team ruined a future HOF player, I just think there were more things wrong with that team than Sanchez.
Agreed. In my opinion the best way to explain it is, Sanchez was a problem in year 4, but he wasn't the reason we regressed. The reason we fell apart was because a lack of continuity, poor offensive weapons, and an attrocious o line.
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Daniel Jeremiah
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CeeDee Lamb would be a perfect present for Sam Darnold or Derek Carr. Day one #1 WR for both teams.
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I don't have evidence or any skill to know, but CeeDee Lamb is gonna be good.
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I don't have evidence or any skill to know, but CeeDee Lamb is gonna be good.
+1
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And the grading curve changes. As a rookie, second year guy, you live with turnovers, dumb mistakes etc because you feel like he'll get past it. By year 4 when he's still doing the same excrement, that's on him, not the coach or whatever WR we may or may not have wanted.
Well, in fact his best season statistically was the third. Then we brought Tebow and the shitstorm started to happen, and then Rex made him play a meaningless preseason game...
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Well, in fact his best season statistically was the third. Then we brought Tebow and the shitstorm started to happen, and then Rex made him play a meaningless preseason game...
Yup
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That 3rd year we were 8-5 and looked to be headed back to the playoffs.
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Looks like we were going to be putting some faith in either Smith or Doctson to be a contributor. Or we will sign a veteran.
I was hoping we would leave the draft with Enunwa as a pure bonus but instead we may be counting on his health.
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Perriman
Mims
Crowder
Smith
Doctson
Herndon
Griffin
Wesco
Bell
Perine
Lots of faith in Perriman...
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Lots of faith in Mims too.
I was fine with all our picks individually but I am disappointed we haven't gotten another WR. Obviously we still have the 7th round, and I bet we take a WR there, but it is hard to count too much on a 7th-rounder.
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improved OL play and consistent playing time from herndon should help a lot.
hopefully everybody stays healthy. i think we are placing a lot of trust in the type of QB Sam is, it feels like the FO is banking on him making this group of WRs look better so long as he has the time to throw. in his short career Sam has made guys like Deontay Burnett and Terrelle Pryor look serviceable
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I imagine Douglas will be very active going after WRs in the post-draft UDFA market. Lots of guys will be excited to come here with so many potential opportunities for movement.
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Lots of faith in Mims too.
I was fine with all our picks individually but I am disappointed we haven't gotten another WR. Obviously we still have the 7th round, and I bet we take a WR there, but it is hard to count too much on a 7th-rounder.
I don't think we have a 7th
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I don't think we have a 7th
This is correct.
We have the Darron Lee pick left, which is a 6th.
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I don't think we have a 7th
I thought we had one more pick.
Guess it was a 6th as Heis said.
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I don't think we have a 7th
Correct until Douglas trades for one and then we have to sit through even more of this excrement to hear who is going to spend a few weeks at Florham Park before pursuing a career in insurance sales.
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Correct until Douglas trades for one and then we have to sit through even more of this excrement to hear who is going to spend a few weeks at Florham Park before pursuing a career in insurance sales.
Not with this economy
They're all going to Walmart or Amazon. Fast food might be too competitive
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Perriman
Mims
Crowder
Smith
Doctson
Herndon
Griffin
Wesco
Bell
Perine
Lots of faith in Perriman...
Yeah this doesnt make me happy at wr. Is there a vet we can bring in?
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Yeah this doesnt make me happy at wr. Is there a vet we can bring in?
There's always players available after June 1st cuts
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Berrios, Bellamy and Josh Malone are on there, too. Not that they make me feel much better.
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I could see and would be pretty happy if we brought back Demaryius Thomas
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Ryan Griffin is TE1
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Eagles suddenly have extra WRs after drafting three and trading for Goodwin.
Perhaps we might look to grab an older guy in D-Jax or Alston Jeffery when they inevitably shake loose?
I also would enjoy adding Arcega-Whiteside to our WR room I’d they choose to move on from him, even though I don’t expect it
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Joe Douglas: "Speed creates pressure and pressure breaks pipes".
Perriman: 4.24
J. Smith: 4.34
V. Smith: 4.36
Mims: 4.38
Berrios: 4.44
Enunwa: 4.45
Crowder: 4.46
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Vyncynt "Pypes" Smyth
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Also gonna need to know Madden speed ratings for these guys
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Need to know Ashtyn Davis' speed too
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Need to know Ashtyn Davis' speed too
I read somewhere based on Davis’ 100m hurdles run, he would have run the 40 in 4.60 if there were hurdles there.
That’s nuts
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I read somewhere based on Davis’ 100m hurdles run, he would have run the 40 in 4.60 if there were hurdles there.
That’s nuts
That looks right. He ran the 110m hurdles in 13.87 seconds, which equates to a 4.61 forty with hurdles.
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That looks right. He ran the 110m hurdles in 13.87 seconds, which equates to a 4.61 forty with hurdles.
Its slower than that since it takes time for someone to get to their max speed.
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Its slower than that since it takes time for someone to get to their max speed.
Well, some people hit their velocity peak earlier because they're more explosive athletes. It's not uniform across the board. That's why they measure the 10 yard split in the 40.
But you're right that you can't precisely figure out a person's 40 time from their 100m time, hurdles or not.
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Well, some people hit their velocity peak earlier because they're more explosive athletes. It's not uniform across the board. That's why they measure the 10 yard split in the 40.
But you're right that you can't precisely figure out a person's 40 time from their 100m time, hurdles or not.
My assumption is the hurdles would add at least 2 tenths of a second but probably a little more than that
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https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1256931207226576898?s=20
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https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1256931207226576898?s=20
Joe Caporoso
@JCaporoso
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May 3
Every #Jets 1,000 yard receiving season since 2000
- Marshall, 2015 - 1,502 yds
- Decker, 2015 - 1,027 yds
- Cotchery, 2007 - 1,130 yds
- Coles, 2006 - 1,098 yds
- Moss, 2003 - 1,105 yds
- Coles, 2002 - 1,264 yds
1 of the past 12 seasons they've had a 1,000 yard WR
The way he worded it is stupid
And technically isn't 2007 one of the last 12 seasons?
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And technically isn't 2007 one of the last 12 seasons?
No. The way he worded it was fine. It is a crazy stat that 11 of the last 12 seasons we have had 0 1,000-yard receivers (yet we had 2 in 2015).
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https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1256931207226576898?s=20
Man 2015 was a lot of fun with Decker and Marshall
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Top 2021 free agent WR's:
Kenny Golladay
Chris Godwin
Cooper Kupp
Juju Smith-Schuster
T.Y. Hilton
A.J. Green
Keenan Allen
Allen Robinson
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Top 2021 free agent WR's:
Kenny Golladay
Chris Godwin
Cooper Kupp
Juju Smith-Schuster
T.Y. Hilton
A.J. Green
Keenan Allen
Allen Robinson
Draft one early and throw everything at Kupp/Juju/Golladay/Allen
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Top 2021 free agent WR's:
Kenny Golladay
Chris Godwin
Cooper Kupp
Juju Smith-Schuster
T.Y. Hilton
A.J. Green
Keenan Allen
Allen Robinson
2021 is going to be a weird offseason. Lots of one year contracts coming to an end, lots of roster reshuffling, less certainty about the draft - it's going to be pretty crazy.
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2021 is going to be a weird offseason. Lots of one year contracts coming to an end, lots of roster reshuffling, less certainty about the draft - it's going to be pretty crazy.
The waiver period before this season starts is going to be wild. I think we could see several trades before cuts are made.
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Draft one early and throw everything at Kupp/Juju/Golladay/Allen
I’d be thrilled with Allen or Galladay. Frankly Godwin is the one I want most but if TB doesn’t throw the rage at him they are out of their ever loving minds.
If Pitt is out of contention before the deadline, I could see Juju getting traded mid year
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The waiver period before this season starts is going to be wild. I think we could see several trades before cuts are made.
I think there will be a ton of roster churn this season at the bottom of rosters. I think it will be a lot more player-for-player trades based on positional need.
Guys won't have chance to impress in preseason, so all waiver claims will be based on college film, past NFL film, and word-of-mouth. Smart teams will churn through the bottom of their rosters a lot to see if they can find more diamonds in the rough that didn't get a chance to show their talents in the preseason. I think we'll also see fewer draft picks cut than usual, since GMs will stick to their pre-draft evaluations more than usual.
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Top 2021 free agent WR's:
Kenny Golladay
Chris Godwin
Cooper Kupp
Juju Smith-Schuster
T.Y. Hilton
A.J. Green
Keenan Allen
Allen Robinson
If there's any truth to the cap situation it should be interesting to see how teams pursuit big name players.
Do these guys go for one year contracts to hold out for a real payday?
Or do teams make extremely back heavy contracts that will give guys exorbant cap hits in future years?
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1297217551374659585?s=21
Offensive line plz be decent
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It'll be difficult for them to be worse than last year, so at least there's that.
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Rich Cimini
Right now, Sam Darnold’s starting WRs are Crowder, Smith and Malone. Yikes. #Jets
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Kevin White SZN
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Kevin White SZN
Kevin White broke his leg signing the contract.
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Kevin White broke his leg signing the contract.
Maybe he can donate his last functioning hamstring to Mims
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Washington Football Team
@WashingtonNFL
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20h
Roster Update: We have released WR Cody Latimer.
He can't be worse than the scrubs we have...bring him in
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He can't be worse than the scrubs we have...bring him in
He's awful and he was arrested in May
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He's awful and he was arrested in May
Perfect, sign this beast
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He can't be worse than the scrubs we have...bring him in
If you get cut by the WFT and you're facing a felony charge, that's not a good look.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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5m
The #49ers are, in fact, adding two WRs after all. They signed former #Bears first-round pick Kevin White, who took his physical yesterday. SF also signed WR River Cracraft yesterday following a workout.
the Kevin White dream is over
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River Cracraft was a baller in college
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River Cracraft was a baller in college
Stop quoting the Key and Peele sketch.
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River Cracraft was a baller in college
With the great Luke Falk throwing to him.
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By looking over the state of the roster, the Jets will be heavily relying on the tight ends this season.
Unless Douglas goes out and makes a trade for a starting receiver, we're likely going to see some serious dink and dunk football in 2020.
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By looking over the state of the roster, the Jets will be heavily relying on the tight ends this season.
Unless Douglas goes out and makes a trade for a starting receiver, we're likely going to see some serious dink and dunk football in 2020.
And a lot of running.
I expect us to try to keep games close and then at the end of the game we'll take some chances. I'm expecting gameplans similar to Seattles. Clock management and mistake free football
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https://twitter.com/jcaporoso/status/1301140940699119616?s=21
No lies detected and you can throw guys like Jones Goff Wentz Trubisky and more in there as well.
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https://twitter.com/jcaporoso/status/1301140940699119616?s=21
No lies detected and you can throw guys like Jones Goff Wentz Trubisky and more in there as well.
Agreed. And really nailed down the coffin lid with a Gase-shaped hammer and his complete inability to call a game.
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WR talent is going to a big part of the narrative for this season regardless of how it shakes out.
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https://twitter.com/jcaporoso/status/1301140940699119616?s=21
No lies detected and you can throw guys like Jones Goff Wentz Trubisky and more in there as well.
Spot on. Few franchises can freak things up like the Jets.
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I want to know who Douglas was supposed to go out and sign.
He could've hung on to Robby Anderson and signed Breshad Perriman, but that seems like overkill. It's not like free agency was loaded with talent at WR.
We don't know if Jabari Zuniga is a better choice than Bryan Edwards right now. Edwards is also made out of glass.
2021 is LOADED at wideout and we have several picks in the first three rounds.
The problem I keep seeing is that fans expect this garbage roster to be fixed overnight.
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I want to know who Douglas was supposed to go out and sign.
He could've hung on to Robby Anderson
Let me stop you right there
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Anderson is not that good.
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Anderson is not that good.
Healthy Robby Anderson is exponentially better than injured Breshad Perriman.
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I want to know who Douglas was supposed to go out and sign.
He could've hung on to Robby Anderson and signed Breshad Perriman, but that seems like overkill. It's not like free agency was loaded with talent at WR.
We don't know if Jabari Zuniga is a better choice than Bryan Edwards right now. Edwards is also made out of glass.
2021 is LOADED at wideout and we have several picks in the first three rounds.
The problem I keep seeing is that fans expect this garbage roster to be fixed overnight.
Bingo
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Healthy Robby Anderson is exponentially better than injured Breshad Perriman.
What if we re-signed Anderson and he got hurt?
I'm assuming it would've been Gase's fault.
Without the hypotheticals, I'd take Perriman at half the cost of Anderson with the chance that Denzel Mims develops in a more well-rounded #2 than both of them.
If Douglas opts to not draft a receiver in next year's draft, then I'll start questioning what he's doing. Until then, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's not going to be able to rebuild this team in one offseason.
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Perriman and Anderson are similar players. I wanted to bring back Robby because of continuity purposes in a messed up offseason, but Perriman has more upside. Perriman has more downside, too, but I was fine taking a shot there.
I think they should have drafted another wide receiver.
- Bryan Edwards over Jabari Zuniga
- Quintez Cephus/Tyler Johnson/Antonio Gandy-Golden over James Morgan
- James Proche over Braden Mann
The Morgan pick is the one that hurts. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if we had drafted a guy like Cephus. I get that having to rely on a 3rd-7th round rookie isn't ideal either, but I was calling for those WRs at the time, so it isn't like this is full hindsight. Obviously, the Mims and Smith and Perriman injuries have made it all look worse.
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What if we re-signed Anderson and he got hurt?
I'm assuming it would've been Gase's fault.
Without the hypotheticals, I'd take Perriman at half the cost of Anderson with the chance that Denzel Mims develops in a more well-rounded #2 than both of them.
If Douglas opts to not draft a receiver in next year's draft, then I'll start questioning what he's doing. Until then, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's not going to be able to rebuild this team in one offseason.
Anderson missed two games in 4 seasons. He might have got injured, but his history suggests he's somewhat hardier than Perriman.
$10M for a player we already knew at a position of weakness was not a difficult decision IMO. Replacing him with Perriman to save $3.5M could very well turn out to be a shockingly poor move.
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Almost every other team has found a way to surround their young QB with weapons. I’m done with the revisionist history, we have simply been inept at supporting our young QB over 3 years when plenty of other franchises has done it the right way, a few in less turnaround time.
This isn’t all on Joe Douglas, he’s cleaning up Duff’s mess.
No reason that we couldn’t have traded for Hopkins or signed multiple WRs or drafted multiple WRs. I get that Douglas has to turn the whole roster over, but Darnold ends up getting shafted. How is anyone supposed to evaluate a QB like this?
Year 1, he was a rookie. Year 2, historically bad OL. Year 3, no one to throw the ball to. This is a critical year for the Jets internal evaluation of Darnold because they have to decide on the 5th year option before the next season. It just doesn’t come off at all like they view him as a franchise QB.
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To be fair, if he is truly a franchise quarterback, he shouldn't need to be propped up by his skill position players. He doesn't need to throw to DeAndre Hopkins.
But he needs to have actual NFL players at wide receiver, and the jury is out if we will even have replacement-level players.
I expected to draft multiple wide receivers. Then when that didn't happen, I figured we would sign Robby/Perriman AND another veteran. I get that the veteran options aren't great, but it still would have been nice to have Moncrief a month ago.
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I don't blame Douglas tor anything right now. WR core was OK before injuries. I can see the argument that we should have taken another wide receiver in the third or fourth round.
I was pleased to see that we had several wide receivers coming back from injury today. Things were starting to get really thin at wide receiver after yesterday.
I'd like to see this year shake out first before I start blaming Douglas for a bunch of stuff.
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To be fair, if he is truly a franchise quarterback, he shouldn't need to be propped up by his skill position players. He doesn't need to throw to DeAndre Hopkins.
But he needs to have actual NFL players at wide receiver, and the jury is out if we will even have replacement-level players.
I expected to draft multiple wide receivers. Then when that didn't happen, I figured we would sign Robby/Perriman AND another veteran. I get that the veteran options aren't great, but it still would have been nice to have Moncrief a month ago.
Ok and Pat Mahomes doesn’t need Hill/Kelce, Brady doesn’t need Gronk, Matt Ryan doesn’t need Julio Jones, etc. They should just play with scrubs off the street since they’re franchise QBs.
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I don't blame Douglas tor anything right now. WR core was OK before injuries. I can see the argument that we should have taken another wide receiver in the third or fourth round.
I was pleased to see that we had several wide receivers coming back from injury today. Things were starting to get really thin at wide receiver after yesterday.
I'd like to see this year shake out first before I start blaming Douglas for a bunch of stuff.
False, our WR core was somewhere in the bottom 10 of the league before injuries.
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Almost every other team has found a way to surround their young QB with weapons. I’m done with the revisionist history, we have simply been inept at supporting our young QB over 3 years when plenty of other franchises has done it the right way, a few in less turnaround time.
This isn’t all on Joe Douglas, he’s cleaning up Duff’s mess.
No reason that we couldn’t have traded for Hopkins or signed multiple WRs or drafted multiple WRs. I get that Douglas has to turn the whole roster over, but Darnold ends up getting shafted. How is anyone supposed to evaluate a QB like this?
Year 1, he was a rookie. Year 2, historically bad OL. Year 3, no one to throw the ball to. This is a critical year for the Jets internal evaluation of Darnold because they have to decide on the 5th year option before the next season. It just doesn’t come off at all like they view him as a franchise QB.
Well...this offseason there were two glaring priorities. Protect Sam and find him some weapons. Clearly the former was top priority and the primary focus.
Like Heis said, we have significant draft capital next year, in a draft loaded at the WR position. I expect that will become the primary focus in 2021....if not, then someone needs to determine if JD knows what he's doing.
Unfortunately this rebuild is gonna take more than one offseason.
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Well...this offseason there were two glaring priorities. Protect Sam and find him some weapons. Clearly the former was top priority and the primary focus.
Like Heis said, we have significant draft capital next year, in a draft loaded at the WR position. I expect that will become the primary focus in 2021....if not, then someone needs to determine if JD knows what he's doing.
Unfortunately this rebuild is gonna take more than one offseason.
I would have been fine missing out on GVR, Fant, or Cam Clark for additional resources at WR. I get that there are priorities, but if he can’t do 2 things at once we need to look for a new GM.
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Also, the irony of having to rebuild from a rebuild attempt is classic Jets
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Douglas is going to draft his way to success, not sign it. We might as well get used to the Ravens front office method. Draft well, make impact signings, don't overpay.
I'm not pretending we are a top 10 offense or anything, but it will improve significantly from last year simply from better blocking and healthy TEs, even if the WR is not good. Sam will lean on Bell and the TEs more than the WRs.
I'm really interested to see how the run game improves.
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I would have been fine missing out on GVR, Fant, or Cam Clark for additional resources at WR. I get that there are priorities, but if he can’t do 2 things at once we need to look for a new GM.
JD comes from an environment where they built through the draft. I honestly think it's gonna take a 2 or 3 years. I think you're just gonna have to be patient (me included).
I don't remember the Ravens FO ever making huge FA acquisitions.
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All the WRs in the world don't help you if your QB can't get them the ball and the running game can't function. First things first.
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JD comes from an environment where they built through the draft. I honestly think it's gonna take a 2 or 3 years. I think you're just gonna have to be patient (me included).
I don't remember the Ravens FO ever making huge FA acquisitions.
His most senior role was at the Eagles where they made a bunch of good FA signings like Jeffery and Long and Brooks and Foles and Wisniewski, and then immediately won the Super Bowl. I'm inclined to think that that's at least as indicative of his approach as his time spent scouting for the Ravens.
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His most senior role was at the Eagles where they made a bunch of good FA signings like Jeffery and Long and Brooks and Foles and Wisniewski, and then immediately won the Super Bowl. I'm inclined to think that that's at least as indicative of his approach as his time spent scouting for the Ravens.
3 of 5 starters on their OL were homegrown draft picks. Zach Ertz was also a huge part of that team's success. Wentz is their franchise QB. Nelson Agholor was also one of their starting receivers. Foles just happened to luck into a magical run.
7 of 11 starters on defense were draft picks or UDFAs. Their best rotational pass rusher that year was their first round pick, Derek Barnett.
If you look at Baltimore and Philly, they really don't place much value in the receiving corps. They patch that up with veterans.
Those franchises value OL and EDGE.
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What if we re-signed Anderson and he got hurt?
I'm assuming it would've been Gase's fault.
Without the hypotheticals, I'd take Perriman at half the cost of Anderson with the chance that Denzel Mims develops in a more well-rounded #2 than both of them.
If Douglas opts to not draft a receiver in next year's draft, then I'll start questioning what he's doing. Until then, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's not going to be able to rebuild this team in one offseason.
The only answer to this that makes ANY sense is trading for Nuk Hopkins. I imagine Houston wasn't going to give up Nuk for 48 straight up to an AFC team, and while in a vacuum I would have been fine giving #11 for Nuk Hopkins, Sam's life will be better long term with Mekhi Becton than with Nuk.
As to the Robby/Perriman thing, that is revisionist history, those dudes are essentially the same player and certainly would play the same position for us in a normal situation. People only wish we had both because our depth (what little we had) has been decimated by soft tissue injuries so far.
given the 5 picks in the top 100 we will have, I think it's pretty likely we add 2 WR's with those 5 premium picks, to go with another offensive lineman, an edge and a CB.
JD can't fix it all overnight. And you can't say 'if he can't do 2 things at once...' because he also was dealing with a CB room that only had one POTENTIALLY useful player in Bless Austin, and 0 edges to work with when the offseason began. He added youth in both spots in the form of draft capital in Zuniga and Hall, he planned for the future with a pair of BPA selections in Ashtyn Davis (which looks infinitely better now that Adams has been traded) and Braden Mann.
I personally would have neglected the edge prospect in Zuniga to take Edwards. But in JD's eyes he already added a young WR to the core and hadn't an edge to that point. The plan was always to take another WR, I just think Davis and Hall were on the board when they didn't expect them to be, and felt they couldn't pass them up.
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3 of 5 starters on their OL were homegrown draft picks. Zach Ertz was also a huge part of that team's success.
7 of 11 starters on defense were draft picks or UDFAs.
If you look at Baltimore and Philly, they really don't place much value in the receiving corps. They patch that up with veterans.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't be drafting good players, I'm saying that we should also be signing good free agents and if need be giving them lots of money.
In any case, I think it's mostly moot while we have a head coach who will fail to produce with any roster he's given.
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It's hindsight now but I think that keeping Robby would have been d better move than bringing in Perriman.
Perriman is much better at getting open but $20 million over two years isn't prohibitive and it would have at least given Darnold some continuity, especially given the rest of the cast.
No one would have predicted this level of injuries at the WR position and it will be very difficult to make it a worse scenario in 2021.
At least Griffin and crowder are both here so Darnold has two familiar players to throw and it looks like Herndon is picking up where they left off with him.
We'll see how the rest of the season goes. There's still the waiver wire and someone could shake loose before the trade deadline. We were walking into this season with an absolute excrement roster and managed to improve some of it.
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All the WRs in the world don't help you if your QB can't get them the ball and the running game can't function. First things first.
Right. Fire Gase
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Right. Fire Gase
Hahaha I forgot about you. Have you been here bitching about Gaze all these months? I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes.
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Hahaha I forgot about you. Have you been here bitching about Gaze all these months? I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes.
LJF is our official punter hater. He needs to focus his efforts there.
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Mims says he's in. This year's Stephen Hill.
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LJF is our official punter hater. He needs to focus his efforts there.
We have a new punter, wore out the old one.
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Devin Smith and Chester Rogers are available.
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LJF is our official punter hater. He needs to focus his efforts there.
He hates Gase more than I do...
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Devin Smith and Chester Rogers are available.
Please no
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Mo Sanu released
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Mo Sanu released
Didnt they trade a 2nd for him like 8 months ago?
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Didnt they trade a 2nd for him like 8 months ago?
Yes
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What a disaster of a trade that was. Imagine giving a 2nd-round pick for a 2-month rental and then cutting him.
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Hopefully we pass on Sanu. He's older and had ankle surgery this year. Our IR will already be a popular place this year, no need to add to it.
The Pats released him after the waiver wire for today, so that will give them a little extra time to con some stupid team into giving up a late pick for him before he hits the wire tomorrow.
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Didnt they trade a 2nd for him like 8 months ago?
Don't care. Get him.
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We need more Rutgers guys.
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We need more Rutgers guys.
No, we don't.
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No, we don't.
It's a quality program.
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We need more guys that are not Jehu Chesson and George Campbell
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Seriously, though we need someone who isn't made of glass or glass that has been melted back together.
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Also, the irony of having to rebuild from a rebuild attempt is classic Jets
Rebuildception
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Rebuildception
A rebuild inside a rebuild inside a rebuild
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I'd rather we sign Hakeem Butler than Mo Sanu. Sanu's ankle is probably shot and Butler at least has theoretical upside.
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I'd rather we sign Hakeem Butler than Mo Sanu. Sanu's ankle is probably shot and Butler at least has theoretical upside.
If the Cardinals release him...
There should be several receivers with decent upside that shake free this weekend.
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I’d be front of the line for Butler.
But I have to imagine he either gets traded or he supersedes is in the waiver claim process
Assuming of course AZ wants to move on.
But their WR room is definitely one to watch for cuts
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WRs are easier to get late and still be productive. We traded for Braylon Edwards in October.
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WRs are easier to get late and still be productive. We traded for Braylon Edwards in October.
Damn, we shoulda done that the past 2 seasons then
Instead we got Rishard Matthews and Demaryius Thomas
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Demaryius Thomas must not want to play.
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Demaryius Thomas must not want to play.
Gase injured him too many times last season....he now lives in fear.
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Damn, we shoulda done that the past 2 seasons then
Instead we got Rishard Matthews and Demaryius Thomas
We didn't have a line, so it would be a waste.
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Didn't Percy Harvin want to come out of retirement? We acquired him midseason once. Bring him in.
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What’s Chris Johnson up to these days?
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What’s Chris Johnson up to these days?
Gangbanging mostly
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What’s Chris Johnson up to these days?
He's got a Falwell situation going on with Christopher Johnson and his wife
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He's got a Falwell situation going on with Christopher Johnson and his wife
so does Loggains
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Deontay Burnett is getting waived from the Eagles. Supposedly he has had a good camp for them.
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Deontay Burnett is getting waived from the Eagles. Supposedly he has had a good camp for them.
Bring him back
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Deontay Burnett is getting waived from the Eagles. Supposedly he has had a good camp for them.
GET. THIS. MAN.
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Burnett seems to have good camps and get cut. Happened here and Philly.
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Burnett seems to have good camps and get cut. Happened here and Philly.
Yes please!
I don't know that he can play on the outside, but he has a good rapport with darnold
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so does Loggains
Do you think Loggains has a chode?
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Do you think Loggains has a chode?
He can go fishing in the offseason, not now.
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Do you think Loggains has a chode?
this isn't my area of expertise
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Do you think Loggains has a chode?
Dowell Loggains is the physical manifestation of a human chode
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Dowell Loggains is the physical manifestation of a human chode
He is Gase's chode, become self aware
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He is Gase's chode, become self aware
Gase's Kuato
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https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1301975300394409985?s=21
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https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1301975300394409985?s=21
Sign this beast
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Sign this beast
Seconded
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Seconded
Thirded.
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Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes
Joe Douglas says the #Jets are “excited” about the weapons they’ve given Sam Darnold.
“We’re excited about the playmakers we have.”
See lads, they're excited. Nothing to worry about after all.
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See lads, they're excited. Nothing to worry about after all.
Well, I guess you technically are excited when something bad is about to happen. Excited, nervous, whatever.
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Well, I guess you technically are excited when something bad is about to happen. Excited, nervous, whatever.
It's like when people use the word anxious but they really mean eager.
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Is it weird that I’m actually excited to watch Frank Gore?
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I just hope we don't suck
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I just hope we don't suck
Sam’s first time with the same scheme/playbook as the previous year is something I’m looking forward to.
Takes a year to understand the complexity of Dowell Loggains
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Is it weird that I’m actually excited to watch Frank Gore?
Yes
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Yes
Shush, you gizzed your pants for 2 years straight when we got LdT
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Is it weird that I’m actually excited to watch Frank Gore?
Well, at least he'll hit the hole for the 0.003 seconds it's open instead of dancing around. Thomas Jones- 2 yards and a cloud of dust.
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Shush, you gizzed your pants for 2 years straight when we got LdT
One of the most talented all purpose backs of all time vs a guy whose primary talent is his consistency. There's much to like and respect about Gore, but no one ever walked into a stadium excited to see what he was going to do.
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Gore is on rest today. Plan for the season is to rest Gore on Thursday practices.
Per Costello
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Top 2021 free agent WR's:
Kenny Golladay
Chris Godwin
Cooper Kupp
Juju Smith-Schuster
T.Y. Hilton
A.J. Green
Keenan Allen
Allen Robinson
https://twitter.com/runbackdave/status/1305868052270141445?s=21
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https://twitter.com/runbackdave/status/1305868052270141445?s=21
Can't wait for the beat writers and general morons clamoring towards handing big money to Juju. No thanks.
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Can't wait for the beat writers and general morons clamoring towards handing big money to Juju. No thanks.
Do you have a preferred target?
He’s arguably among the best on that list. I would be happy with just about any of them.
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Keep got paid
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https://twitter.com/runbackdave/status/1305868052270141445?s=21
Godwin and Galladay are likely going to be tagged if they don’t get new deals worked out.
TY is old and with a game predicated on athleticism to win scares me, I don’t trust JuJu and if the Steelers are plenty happy to bail that should make people nervous. I think Keenan Allen is going to be that pickup that everyone goes “why the hell didn’t we sign that guy?”
For me id be going ham after Green and Allen/Robinson. Green will be a perfect mentor to young guys we draft for a couple seasons and Allen/Robinson can be a major contributor while we wait for Mims and whomever we draft in the top 2 rounds to develop for us.
Looking at this WR room in 2021 would be absolutely outstanding
Jamarr Chase
Keenan Allen
A.J. Green
Denzel Mins
Later round rookie
Braxton Berrios (ST/Return guy)
Don’t forget we can Cut Crowder this offseason and save nearly $11 million as well. So he’s no lock to be back if we are completely cleaning house.
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https://twitter.com/bradbiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=21
Allen Robinson officially asked for a trade
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Traded a 5th for Brandon Marshall (offseason)
Traded a 5th for Santonio Holmes (offseason, w/ 4 game suspension attached)
Traded a 3rd and 5th for Braylon Edwards (in season)
Robinson is a FA this offseason so I don’t expect it to be a premium pick
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I love A Rob... wanted him in the draft that year (which makes me feel old). I’d trade a late round pick for him. At the very least as an attempt to save Sam. Trading a late round pick to put talent around your QB wont set this franchise back, but wasting 3+ years and a 3rd overall pick on a QB would.
As far as the above list goes, Chris Godwin is by far my #1 target on that list, but he’ll likely get tagged.
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https://twitter.com/bradbiggs/status/1305960781050187778?s=21
Allen Robinson officially asked for a trade
I'm all for it. Not that wild about Robinson as our long-term solution at receiver but if this regime is serious about developing Sam Darnold, he needs talent immediately. Also Ryan Pace is a nitwit so we might get a discount.
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I'm all for it. Not that wild about Robinson as our long-term solution at receiver but if this regime is serious about developing Sam Darnold, he needs talent immediately. Also Ryan Pace is a nitwit so we might get a discount.
I would love Allen Robinson as our long-term WR answer. What's wrong with Allen Robinson? Get him and draft someone. Of course, I think he'd be too expensive in a trade.
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Trade for A-Rob, draft Chase, boom profit
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I would love Allen Robinson as our long-term WR answer. What's wrong with Allen Robinson? Get him and draft someone. Of course, I think he'd be too expensive in a trade.
Won't work. Chris Hogan already has 15 and it all went wrong for Robinson when he switched to 12 and could no longer use the nickname.
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Robinson will never want to come to the Jets. Let's be serious, if someone is in worse shape than the Bears, it's us.
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Robinson will never want to come to the Jets. Let's be serious, if someone is in worse shape than the Bears, it's us.
He wants money.
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He wants money.
paging dcm
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I love A Rob... wanted him in the draft that year (which makes me feel old). I’d trade a late round pick for him. At the very least as an attempt to save Sam. Trading a late round pick to put talent around your QB wont set this franchise back, but wasting 3+ years and a 3rd overall pick on a QB would.
As far as the above list goes, Chris Godwin is by far my #1 target on that list, but he’ll likely get tagged.
+ two second rounders
100% agree.
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Robinson will never want to come to the Jets. Let's be serious, if someone is in worse shape than the Bears, it's us.
Does he have a no trade clause or
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Does he have a no trade clause or
Not one that matters if he's already told them he wants a trade.
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I think Odell might make more sense than ARob. I think Odell might come cheaper in a trade, and I think he would love to return to NY. ARob might be the better receiver now though.
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I think Odell might make more sense than ARob. I think Odell might come cheaper in a trade, and I think he would love to return to NY. ARob might be the better receiver now though.
I disagree with all of this.
Beckham is a pain in the derriere, but he is still elite. Mayfield is the problem in Cleveland. If things go poorly with Sam, he'll act the same way.
The problem with Robinson is that if you trade for him, you also have to extend him.
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I disagree with all of this.
Beckham is a pain in the derriere, but he is still elite. Mayfield is the problem in Cleveland. If things go poorly with Sam, he'll act the same way.
The problem with Robinson is that if you trade for him, you also have to extend him.
freak it and trade for both.
Send Perriman and a 5 for Robinson
Send the Seattle 3 for Beckham
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As far as that list.
I fully expect Golliday and Godwin to either be reupped or franchised.
Hate to burst Libero's bubble, but i'm 99.9 percent sure Keenan already got paid. As did Cooper Kupp.
As previously stated I want zero part of making JuJu the man.
I'd be absolutely open to dealing for OBJ if the price wasn't prohibitive, and I love the idea of seriously pursuing A-Rob if and when he hits the market.
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Because we have the worst group in the league, can we rename this thread to “What offensive skill players?”
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Because we have the worst group in the league, can we rename this thread to “What offensive skill players?”
LOLffensive skill players
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Sounds like Perine could play Sunday
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Sam Darnold on sentiment that he needs more help/playmakers:
“That’s not true at all. We got really good playmakers.”
Stockholm Syndrome
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Stockholm Syndrome
I file that under “what is he supposed to say?” Help is t walking through that door and telling everybody in the locker room they suck sure as excrement isn’t gonna fix anything
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I file that under “what is he supposed to say?” Help is t walking through that door and telling everybody in the locker room they suck sure as excrement isn’t gonna fix anything
Especially when you're part of the problem. It would be one thing if Darnold were playing lights out and his receivers kept dropping passes and running bad routes. Can't throw your skill players under the bus when you aren't playing well either. Not that he should be doing that anyway
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“what is he supposed to say?”
“We need more dogs”
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=THcOw8LK55c
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https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1306979868798746624?s=21
Week 2 babbie
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LOLffensive skill players
Bubbling back up this request to change the name of this thread to the suggested title above
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LOLffensive skill players
Respectfully request thread title update.
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request granted
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Robinson will never want to come to the Jets. Let's be serious, if someone is in worse shape than the Bears, it's us.
his insanely hot latina slut gf is from north NJ. i don't know if they're still together anymore, she's recently taken down any pics she had of him on instagram, including of their child
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I would love Allen Robinson as our long-term WR answer. What's wrong with Allen Robinson? Get him and draft someone. Of course, I think he'd be too expensive in a trade.
In negotiations with the Bears over an extension. Probably realised the Jets were part of his market and suddenly Chicago looked a whole lot more appealing.
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Biggest disappointment so far for me this season has been Chris Herndon. He's probably a blue-chip player in any other offense, but he's been a non-factor this season thus far.
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Biggest disappointment so far for me this season has been Chris Herndon. He's probably a blue-chip player in any other offense, but he's been a non-factor this season thus far.
That's what happens when you have an utter buffoon at HC.
Just look at what Tannehill did today. Should be all you need to know about Gazes ability to coach
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Biggest disappointment so far for me this season has been Chris Herndon. He's probably a blue-chip player in any other offense, but he's been a non-factor this season thus far.
The drop sucked, but at least he was falling as it happened
He's a weapon who is completely underutilized in this office. Griffin too.
I wonder whose fault that is?
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“ Jets’ WR Breshad Perriman sprained his ankle and will be considered week to week, per source“
Schefter
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Can't wait til Vyncint and Denzel get back...
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Douglas better trade for a receiver and draft one in the first round next offseason
No excuses not to improve this garbage unit
Also, I cannot wait for Le'Veon Bell to be off this team. Hopefully Perine gets more work each week. He looked decent in limited action.
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Excited is the wrong word, but I am looking forward to Vyncint Smith getting his chance. He's tall, fast, and they clearly like him. Maybe he can actually play. And unlike Mims, he's not a rookie, so if he can play, we should see it this season.
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After this start, I don't think we should bother wasting any money on anyone for this year. Wait til the off-season and a new coach. Gase sucks, but this is also one shitty roster. I have a feeling Gase could have Nuk and Beckham and still manage to get them a combined 16 yards per game. excrement coach, excrement roster. Let the dumpster fire smolder itself out this year.
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After this start, I don't think we should bother wasting any money on anyone for this year. Wait til the off-season and a new coach. Gase sucks, but this is also one shitty roster. I have a feeling Gase could have Nuk and Beckham and still manage to get them a combined 16 yards per game. excrement coach, excrement roster. Let the dumpster fire smolder itself out this year.
Don't agree. If good players are available for a good price, make the deal. As long as it's not a rental which I agree would be pointless, adding a good receiver would only help Sam. I don't give a freak about Gase, he's a dead man walking. Sam is the franchise.
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Don't agree. If good players are available for a good price, make the deal. As long as it's not a rental which I agree would be pointless, adding a good receiver would only help Sam. I don't give a freak about Gase, he's a dead man walking. Sam is the franchise.
Agreed. I made fun of the Demaryius Thomas trade last year, but if there was a similar veteran we could get for a late pick, I would consider it.
They just can't be a rental like Percy Harvin.
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Agreed. I made fun of the Demaryius Thomas trade last year, but if there was a similar veteran we could get for a late pick, I would consider it.
They just can't be a rental like Percy Harvin.
WTF happened with Thomas? He hasn't got a job anywhere else, he hasn't retired, we're desperate for receivers, he's tight with Gase, Sam knows him. I don't get that one.
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Acquire players, fire Gase
In-season, and ASAP
This season is lost, but the entire rest should be spent deciding whether the words "Trevor" and "Lawrence" should be written on an index card in the spring
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WTF happened with Thomas? He hasn't got a job anywhere else, he hasn't retired, we're desperate for receivers, he's tight with Gase, Sam knows him. I don't get that one.
Other than a big overpay, why would he want to come here rather than just sit around and wait a few more weeks for a playoff hopeful team to be in need of receiver help?
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Don't agree. If good players are available for a good price, make the deal. As long as it's not a rental which I agree would be pointless, adding a good receiver would only help Sam. I don't give a freak about Gase, he's a dead man walking. Sam is the franchise.
I'm talking about rentals.
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Acquire players, fire Gase
In-season, and ASAP
This season is lost, but the entire rest should be spent deciding whether the words "Trevor" and "Lawrence" should be written on an index card in the spring
Here's the rub, the only moves of significance we could make mean that we probably can't get a guy like Lawrence. So if Douglas were to make a move for Allen Robinson, then I think you can take us out of the running for #1 overall unless Sam gets hurt. But if we brought in Robinson on the 'cheap' and then picked 4th, and grabbed Jamarr Chase, there will not be any real excuses for Sam with a top 4 of Robinson, Chase, Crowder and Mims.
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Other than a big overpay, why would he want to come here rather than just sit around and wait a few more weeks for a playoff hopeful team to be in need of receiver help?
Because he might want to play and it probably isn't likely a playoff team would want him.
That said, the time to bring Thomas in was weeks ago.
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Here's the rub, the only moves of significance we could make mean that we probably can't get a guy like Lawrence. So if Douglas were to make a move for Allen Robinson, then I think you can take us out of the running for #1 overall unless Sam gets hurt. But if we brought in Robinson on the 'cheap' and then picked 4th, and grabbed Jamarr Chase, there will not be any real excuses for Sam with a top 4 of Robinson, Chase, Crowder and Mims.
Not sure where you're heading with this
I don't want "excuses" for Sam. I want him to be given the opportunity to prove himself. I think we have a franchise QB. We just have him coupled with an awful coaching staff and not enough weapons.
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Not sure where you're heading with this
I don't want "excuses" for Sam. I want him to be given the opportunity to prove himself. I think we have a franchise QB. We just have him coupled with an awful coaching staff and not enough weapons.
Lack of OL and weapons have been an excuse for Sam for 3 years and never for the coaching staff.
They are excuses. I think they are valid excuses for Sam, much more so than the coaches. But they are still excuses.
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Lack of OL and weapons have been an excuse for Sam for 3 years and never for the coaching staff.
They are excuses. I think they are valid excuses for Sam, much more so than the coaches. But they are still excuses.
Year 1 he was a rookie. Looked mostly great, still had things to learn. Development normal.
Year 2 he got mono, played behind an historically bad line and still had times when he looked like he was going to be terrific.
Year 3 he has a line but no weapons, and is apparently still not being given license to call his own plays when he can read them.
I'm not really sure how he doesn't get a pass so far. I feel like we're lucky he has the talent and mindset he does, it's the only thing that's keeping him real right now.
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Lack of OL and weapons have been an excuse for Sam for 3 years and never for the coaching staff.
They are excuses. I think they are valid excuses for Sam, much more so than the coaches. But they are still excuses.
Darnold has to run the plays that are called with the personnel on the field. And now we know for absolute certain there are times when he has no license to make counter-decisions to the playcall.
Still, Sam has shown flashes of brilliance. Has Gase?
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Year 1 he was a rookie. Looked mostly great, still had things to learn. Development normal.
Year 2 he got mono, played behind an historically bad line and still had times when he looked like he was going to be terrific.
Year 3 he has a line but no weapons, and is apparently still not being given license to call his own plays when he can read them.
I'm not really sure how he doesn't get a pass so far. I feel like we're lucky he has the talent and mindset he does, it's the only thing that's keeping him real right now.
I agree. They are excuses though. I think they are fair excuses but they are still excuses.
"Mostly great" is a bit much for his rookie season. I agree that his development was right on track though. I dont think Sam has ever been mostly great other than that one Packers game.
If he were better and not checking to screens to Chris Hogan against 5-man rushes on 3rd and long, maybe he would get more license pre-snap. I do wish he were able to change that play on 4th down though. Clearly he gets some leeway.
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Not sure where you're heading with this
I don't want "excuses" for Sam. I want him to be given the opportunity to prove himself. I think we have a franchise QB. We just have him coupled with an awful coaching staff and not enough weapons.
Where I was going is potentially into Douglas' mind.
If I am Douglas and this team appears to be actually as atrocious as it might be, and I think I might be about to luck into the #1 overall pick, am I really about to make a serious move (for example, go get Allen Robinson for a conditional 4th that can escalate to a 3rd with a new contract signed before the new league year starts) which if I believe in Robinson (which obviously I do if I am making that move mid-season) I am taking myself out of the running for the #1 overall pick. This means that I definitely will not get my hands on Lawrence, the best QB prospect I am likely to be within striking distance of in my initial contract as Jets GM (and hopefully my entire career). That means I am hitching my wagon entirely to Sam Darnold, a guy that Gase might have actually ruined over the past two years.
Man that is a scary thought. Especially if Robinson actually wants to leave Chicago. If that's real, he is likely to hit the market in March, and then I can just go pay the man then without risking my draft capital/chances at Lawrence. Add to it, if Sam wins enough games to avoid the #1 pick, then I can just go get him Robinson in March to bolster the squad, and again I don't alter my draft capital to build up a roster which is quite clearly a disaster every where on the roster.
In my mind, it really comes down to 2 things, how much does Douglas believe in Sam despite his poor start to the season, and how cheaply are the Bears willing to part with Robinson?
For me as a Jets fan, I would rather pay the mid round premium for Robinson right now to try and save Sam, even if it turns out that Robinson both takes us out of the Lawrence race and fails to save Sam while he does it. But I can absolutely see why Douglas would not be willing to do it, depending on the level of belief he has in Sam's long term future right now.
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According to sources familiar with the situation, the Bears are looking at the recent Cooper Kupp extension with the Rams as their comparison, meaning they're in the $15 million-to-$16 million-per-year range," Graziano writes. "Robinson is thinking more along the lines of Odell Beckham Jr. or Tyreek Hill, who are in the $18 million-per-year range. Keenan Allen, age 28, just signed a third contract with the Chargers for four years and a reported $20 million per year, and don't think that's not on Robinson's mind here. Robinson (98 catches for 1,147 yards and seven touchdowns) and Allen (104 - 1,199 -6) had similar statistical lines a season ago, and Allen has also had injuries in his past."
NBC Chicago
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That is a fair point. We have a chance at Lawrence. Might not want to eff that up. Most valuable #1 pick in years. Could probably get three 1s for it and more. Or we could take Lawrence and decide what to do with Sam.
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NBC Chicago
Nevermind then. Hoard the cap space forever. Or trade it for picks.
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Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A Y/C
326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 6.5 11.5
331 533 62.1 4135 26 4.9 15 2.8 7.8 12.5
357 571 62.5 4413 33 5.8 15 2.6 7.7 12.4
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A Y/C
239 414 57.7 2865 17 4.1 15 3.6 6.9 12.0
273 441 61.9 3024 19 4.3 13 2.9 6.9 11.1
42 67 62.7 394 2 3.0 1 1.5 5.9 9.4
The second set of stats is Sam Darnold, so far. The first set is Peyton Manning after his first 3 years.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of excrement for having the gall to compare Manning and Darnold, but just imagine the Colts had given up on him 2 games into his third season.
Darnold needs better coaching & playcalling and some talent to actually catch the damn ball. Anything less is neglect of duty by the management of this team.
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but just imagine the Colts had given up on him 2 games into his third season.
They were never going to. He kept progressing.
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Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A Y/C
326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 6.5 11.5
331 533 62.1 4135 26 4.9 15 2.8 7.8 12.5
357 571 62.5 4413 33 5.8 15 2.6 7.7 12.4
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A Y/C
239 414 57.7 2865 17 4.1 15 3.6 6.9 12.0
273 441 61.9 3024 19 4.3 13 2.9 6.9 11.1
42 67 62.7 394 2 3.0 1 1.5 5.9 9.4
The second set of stats is Sam Darnold, so far. The first set is Peyton Manning after his first 3 years.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of excrement for having the gall to compare Manning and Darnold, but just imagine the Colts had given up on him 2 games into his third season.
Darnold needs better coaching & playcalling and some talent to actually catch the damn ball. Anything less is neglect of duty by the management of this team.
I really don't want to bail on Darnold, even if he has a rough year. He's the type of guy and talent that this team needs, but he's being hamstrung by lack of surrounding talent and coaching. Yeah, he makes some mistakes, but this team doesn't give him the leeway to get away with it. Mistakes are magnified on this team. It seems one missed tackle is almost always a TD instead of just an extra 10 yards.
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Let's just say they trade for Robinson, and still the season is garbage and Sam looks awful. They are still in position to draft Lawrence, and he comes in with an OL already in the process of being rebuilt with Allen Robinson, Jamison Crowder, Chris Herndon, and Ryan Griffin to throw to. Nevermind Mims, Smith, and whoever else might be drafted/acquired.
Let's just keep hoarding cap space and draft picks though
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They were never going to. He kept progressing.
Okay, but how do we know Darnold wouldn't be progressing with even decent coaching, playcalling, and talent to catch the ball?
All I'm saying is give him someone to throw to, and call some decent plays (and don't hamstring the kid when he walks up under center).
I really don't want to bail on Darnold, even if he has a rough year. He's the type of guy and talent that this team needs, but he's being hamstrung by lack of surrounding talent and coaching. Yeah, he makes some mistakes, but this team doesn't give him the leeway to get away with it. Mistakes are magnified on this team. It seems one missed tackle is almost always a TD instead of just an extra 10 yards.
Agreed
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What we have to consider is this:
Joe Douglas did not draft Sam Darnold. There was never a real plan in place to build around him, unfortunately. Maccagnan moved up in the draft for a QB and did not have a plan after that.
Darnold either steps up this year and proves he belongs and plays us out of that #1 pick, or we are the worst team in the NFL with him at QB and it'd be time to move on because you can't pass on Trevor Lawrence.
With all that said, this team is in a much better place now than it was in 2018 when we took Sam. Douglas appears to have a plan and he has cash and draft capital to use to help our QB (whoever that may be).
It's not like we'd take Lawrence and that's the only pick we have. We still have 3 other first rounds in 2021 and 2022 and loads of cap space.
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Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A Y/C
326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 6.5 11.5
331 533 62.1 4135 26 4.9 15 2.8 7.8 12.5
357 571 62.5 4413 33 5.8 15 2.6 7.7 12.4
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/A Y/C
239 414 57.7 2865 17 4.1 15 3.6 6.9 12.0
273 441 61.9 3024 19 4.3 13 2.9 6.9 11.1
42 67 62.7 394 2 3.0 1 1.5 5.9 9.4
The second set of stats is Sam Darnold, so far. The first set is Peyton Manning after his first 3 years.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of excrement for having the gall to compare Manning and Darnold, but just imagine the Colts had given up on him 2 games into his third season.
Darnold needs better coaching & playcalling and some talent to actually catch the damn ball. Anything less is neglect of duty by the management of this team.
I don't understand your point. Your point is that Peyton Manning was significantly better than Sam Darnold, and that's why we should stick with Sam? And Manning played in an era where passing numbers weren't as padded as they often are today, so his numbers are even more impressive compared to Sam's.
I agree Darnold needs more talent around him. We don't even really have the bare minimum of talent around him. That's why I'm willing to accept mediocre QB play from him, even in Year 3. His play against the Bills did not meet that extremely low bar. Against the 49ers, he played a lot better, even if the numbers didn't really reflect that.
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They were never going to. He kept progressing.
Darnold progressed from year 1 to year 2.
Maybe he didn’t take as big of a leap as we would have hoped, but there’s clear improvements in his comp %, INT% and TD%. If we want to dive deeper, he was also dealing with a new playbook, league worst OL, and Adam Gase as his mentor. He didn’t regress in year 2, which I think is actually a victory.
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He didn’t regress in year 2, which I think is actually a victory.
He didn't regress, but he also didn't progress much.
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I don't understand your point. Your point is that Peyton Manning was significantly better than Sam Darnold, and that's why we should stick with Sam? And Manning played in an era where passing numbers weren't as padded as they often are today, so his numbers are even more impressive compared to Sam's.
I agree Darnold needs more talent around him. We don't even really have the bare minimum of talent around him. That's why I'm willing to accept mediocre QB play from him, even in Year 3. His play against the Bills did not meet that extremely low bar. Against the 49ers, he played a lot better, even if the numbers didn't really reflect that.
Interesting you say that Darnold’s stats are padded when it says right there Peyton was throwing 100x more attempts per year than Sam
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What we have to consider is this:
Joe Douglas did not draft Sam Darnold. There was never a real plan in place to build around him, unfortunately. Maccagnan moved up in the draft for a QB and did not have a plan after that.
Darnold either steps up this year and proves he belongs and plays us out of that #1 pick, or we are the worst team in the NFL with him at QB and it'd be time to move on because you can't pass on Trevor Lawrence.
With all that said, this team is in a much better place now than it was in 2018 when we took Sam. Douglas appears to have a plan and he has cash and draft capital to use to help our QB (whoever that may be).
It's not like we'd take Lawrence and that's the only pick we have. We still have 3 other first rounds in 2021 and 2022 and loads of cap space.
We can take Trevor Lawrence AND a WR late in the 1st round AND a gord in the 2nd or 3rd round AND sign a receiver.
If Sam Darnold is as good as we think he will be, he should be able to pull out a couple wins for us and get us out of the #1 pick. It's possible the rest of the team is so hopeless that can't happen, but most teams who end up with the #1 pick have a QB injury or QB ineptitude.
I think a big reason why Douglas took the job was because Sam Darnold was in place. I don't think he wants to replace Sam Darnold, even if he didn't draft him. However, we need to start making decisions on Darnold's contract starting next offseason, and if we get the #1 pick, that means Darnold is likely replaceable.
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Interesting you say that Darnold’s stats are padded when it says right there Peyton was throwing 100x more attempts per year than Sam
Manning played full seasons, something Sam has also never done.
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He didn't regress, but he also didn't progress much.
I agree. I hate making “excuse” after excuse, but the mono thing definitely derailed him. He wasn’t at full strength in the Buff game or right when he came back. Tough to start a season like that.
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Interesting you say that Darnold’s stats are padded when it says right there Peyton was throwing 100x more attempts per year than Sam
I didn't even look at the total stats, I looked at the rate stats. TD pct, Int pct and yards per attempt. And if Darnold gets hurt again, that isn't really an argument on why Darnold should be the answer. Obviously, the mono is a freak thing.
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If Sam Darnold is as good as we think he will be, he should be able to pull out a couple wins for us and get us out of the #1 pick.
Exactly.
If Sam is the quarterback of the future, he will do enough to ensure we aren't picking #1 overall.
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Manning played full seasons, something Sam has also never done.
Right so you can compare their rate stats, Comp %, INT %, TD %. I don’t see a big gap there.
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I didn't even look at the total stats, I looked at the rate stats. TD pct, Int pct and yards per attempt. And if Darnold gets hurt again, that isn't really an argument on why Darnold should be the answer. Obviously, the mono is a freak thing.
So we’re arguing over a few decimal points?
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Rookie Peyton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Bruce Arians as his QB coach. The next year they swapped Faulk for Edgerrin James
What are we doing here
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So we’re arguing over a few decimal points?
Peyton Manning ranked in the top 5 in yards per attempt in both his 2nd and 3rd NFL seasons.
Darnold ranked 22nd last year, and through 2 games this year, he ranks 33rd.
So, yes, sometimes a few decimal points matter.
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Rookie Peyton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Bruce Arians as his QB coach. The next year they swapped Faulk for Edgerrin James
What are we doing here
Le'Veon Bell and Frank Gore
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Rookie Peyton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Bruce Arians as his QB coach. The next year they swapped Faulk for Edgerrin James
What are we doing here
Another reason I don't understand this comparison at all.
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Exactly.
If Sam is the quarterback of the future, he will do enough to ensure we aren't picking #1 overall.
I agree with this.
Think this is way more of a reflection on the state of the franchise than Sam Darnold.
Is Sam a franchise QB after dragging an awful team to 7 wins last year?
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Peyton Manning ranked in the top 5 in yards per attempt in both his 2nd and 3rd NFL seasons.
Darnold ranked 22nd last year, and through 2 games this year, he ranks 33rd.
So, yes, sometimes a few decimal points matter.
Not getting into a YPA comparison here when discussing an Adam Gase offense
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FTR, I'm not disputing the points being made
If the Jets are picking #1, Lawrence is the pick. That's an absolute no-brainer
My argument is why aren't we giving Sam Darnold an opportunity to play us out of that pick? If Allen Robinson is available, why is he not wearing green? Why aren't the TEs on this team being targeted in the passing game? Why isn't Sam allowed to audible on 4th and 1?
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If Allen Robinson is available, why is he not wearing green?
We don't really know if Robinson is actually available
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FTR, I'm not disputing the points being made
If the Jets are picking #1, Lawrence is the pick. That's an absolute no-brainer
My argument is why aren't we giving Sam Darnold an opportunity to play us out of that pick? If Allen Robinson is available, why is he not wearing green? Why aren't the TEs on this team being targeted in the passing game? Why isn't Sam allowed to audible on 4th and 1?
See: Joe Douglas offseason plan
We were not set up to compete this season. This looks a lot more like a long term rebuild than a reload.
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2020
Adam Gase’s Offense Rankings:
Scoring: 31
Total: 32
Run: 31
Pass: 30
First downs: 32
Plays per game: 31
Yards per play: 30
3rd down conversion: 28
#SamsFault
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We don't really know if Robinson is actually available
Fair enough
Is no one else available via trade or free agency? You've brought up Thomas before. (Though I've commented he might be uninterested in us, so there's that)
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See: Joe Douglas offseason plan
We were not set up to compete this season. This looks a lot more like a long term rebuild than a reload.
I'm okay with a full-on rebuild. But at least give Darnold a shot to show whether he could be the answer
Trevor Lawrence is not guaranteed no matter how bad this roster is
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I'm okay with a full-on rebuild. But at least give Darnold a shot to show whether he could be the answer
Trevor Lawrence is not guaranteed no matter how bad this roster is...and coach
FYP
Trevor Lawrence would fail with Gase as HC
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I'm okay with a full-on rebuild. But at least give Darnold a shot to show whether he could be the answer
Trevor Lawrence is not guaranteed no matter how bad this roster is
From what I've seen I think Darnold can be the guy, our struggles really haven't been because of him and our record is respectable when he's played. A line and some weapons would help him, I'm really not interested in going back to square one with a new QB learning the stuff Sam has spent the last three years learning.
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FYP
Trevor Lawrence would fail with Gase as HC
Trevor Lawrence and Adam Gase aren’t a real scenario. If we get the 1 pick Gase is def gone.
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“We need a brilliant offensive mind to develop Trevor Lawrence.” - Christopher Johnson
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how many wins from sam in spite of gase's presence will it take to convince you guys he's the future? 3? 6?
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Trevor Lawrence and Adam Gase aren’t a real scenario. If we get the 1 pick Gase is def gone.
Totally agree because that makes sense ...but our owner's are complete fucktards and don't follow common logic
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how many wins from sam in spite of gase's presence will it take to convince you guys he's the future? 3? 6?
I don't care about wins, I care about how Sam plays. If he has more games like Buffalo, I'll worry about his future. Last week was fine.
I would like to see some actual good games before the end of the season, assuming we have a somewhat healthy group of skill players at some point.
The issue is that if we do win 1-2 games, we will likely get the #1 pick, and it will be very hard to pass up Lawrence.
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Let's just say they trade for Robinson, and still the season is garbage and Sam looks awful. They are still in position to draft Lawrence, and he comes in with an OL already in the process of being rebuilt with Allen Robinson, Jamison Crowder, Chris Herndon, and Ryan Griffin to throw to. Nevermind Mims, Smith, and whoever else might be drafted/acquired.
Let's just keep hoarding cap space and draft picks though
That's the thing, I don't think we are. the margin for error between picking #1 and picking #3 is very small. It's not uncommon to have 2 2-14 teams in a single year. Adding Allen Robinson IMO takes us from a 2-4 win team to a 4-6 win team.
So if JD makes that move (assuming its both possible and reasonable) then he is committing to NOT picking #1 and as such is saying Sam is our guy. You can't pick #2 and get Lawrence, and there are only about 5 teams in the league who if they found themselves at #1 wouldn't pick him and those are teams with all star QBs who are under 30 (Mahomes, Jackson, Wilson, Watson etc). Most of that group either doesn't have a 1st round pick, or has already won enough games to assume they won't lose out to get to 2-14/3-13. My point is that no one is coming off the pick to take Lawrence, so if you want him, you have to be bad enough to 'earn' him. Allen Robinson is probably enough (barring injury to Robinson or Sam) to keep us from being that bad, but not bad enough not to pick top 7.
If JD isn't 100% sure Sam is the guy I don't think he can make that move right now. Now if come Halloween, Robinson is still on the market and we have already won 2-3 games and don't appear that we can get the #1 overall pick by just flat out sucking, then we are talking about a completely different situation. Saving Sam becomes the only logical play, and going after Robinson suddenly makes so much more sense.
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I doubt the Bears would trade Allen Robinson when they're still in the race, and they're 2-0 right now.
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Allen Robinson isn’t going anywhere so long as he’s on the field.
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1308521364299579397?s=21
Don’t read this if you’re on the brink
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In another timeline, Anderson/Enunwa/Crowder/Bell/Herndon/Griffin wouldn't be an awful group.
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Starting 2 white wide receivers
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Starting 2 white wide receivers
Seafood will watch this one
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The WR group taking the field on Sunday is worse than what we trotted out in 2010:
Jeremy Kerley
Stephen Hill
Chaz Schillens
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The WR group taking the field on Sunday is worse than what we trotted out in 2010:
Jeremy Kerley
Stephen Hill
Chaz Schillens
Way worse
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The WR group taking the field on Sunday is worse than what we trotted out in 2010:
Jeremy Kerley
Stephen Hill
Chaz Schillens
Sam would kill to have those guys right now.
If we score an offensive point, I will be surprised. If we score 2 TDs we will all be stunned.
Given the Colts #1 defensive ranking (by yards allowed) I have to imagine if we make it to their side of the field we should be impressed.
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If we score an offensive point, I will be surprised.
There's always a chance for garbage time points.
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The WR group taking the field on Sunday is worse than what we trotted out in 2010:
Jeremy Kerley
Stephen Hill
Chaz Schillens
2010? I mean most WR corps would be worse than Braylon, Holmes and Cotchery.
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2010? I mean most WR corps would be worse than Braylon, Holmes and Cotchery.
I meant 2012
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What bothers me is that Gase will use this as an excuse, and it will be a valid one. It’s ridiculous how many injuries we have at the position.
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What bothers me is that Gase will use this as an excuse, and it will be a valid one. It’s ridiculous how many injuries we have at the position.
K.Shanahan had to deal with more injuries, started a backup QB, lost 3/4 of his starting DL, and still whipped our asses. Gase has zero excuses.
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K.Shanahan had to deal with more injuries, started a backup QB, lost 3/4 of his starting DL, and still whipped our asses. Gase has zero excuses.
I think Mex’s point is that no fan gives a freak. But ownership might. That’s the only guy Gase has to convince with his excuses, and frankly no one trusts jets ownership right now
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I think Mex’s point is that no fan gives a freak. But ownership might. That’s the only guy Gase has to convince with his excuses, and frankly no one trusts jets ownership right now
If ownership bites on that bullshit, then they obviously aren't keeping tabs on the rest of the league. Every team has injuries, and they're still winning games.
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Yes, every team has injuries but we have a biblical amount at receiver... a position that already lacked depth.
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Yes, every team has injuries but we have a biblical amount at receiver... a position that already lacked depth.
The niners were in worse shape than us....a lot worse.
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The issue is not losing...it's how we lose.
We are flat out non-competitive, and that's unacceptable even with the retreads we have on offense.
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The niners were in worse shape than us....a lot worse.
Not quite.
49ers have depth on offense. Mullens is solid. IMO there is little drop-off if any between him and Jimmy G. Oddsmakers agreed. Jordan Reed is better than any TE on our roster. They also have their 1st-rd WR playing.
49ers are clearly beat up too, but the Jets have absolutely no depth so we can't afford these injuries. Jets are literally missing their top 6 receivers if Berrios is hurt.
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Not quite.
49ers have depth on offense. Mullens is solid. IMO there is little drop-off if any between him and Jimmy G. Oddsmakers agreed. Jordan Reed is better than any TE on our roster. They also have their 1st-rd WR playing.
49ers are clearly beat up too, but the Jets have absolutely no depth so we can't afford these injuries. Jets are literally missing their top 6 receivers if Berrios is hurt.
Mullens isn't solid, he's well coached. Imagine if Mullens was playing for the Jets under Gase.
Jordan Reed is a piece of glass. I think he got hurt again today.
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Mullens isn't solid, he's well coached. Imagine if Mullens was playing for the Jets under Gase.
Jordan Reed is a piece of glass. I think he got hurt again today.
Reed stayed in the game.
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Reed stayed in the game.
he still has to get on the bus without breaking his hip
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Jordan dinged his ankle
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1310270333316988929
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So Chris Herndon stinks now...
Tight End has become a legitimate need for us
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Peter Griffin finally made a couple of catches.
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So Chris Herndon stinks now...
Tight End has become a legitimate need for us
It’s so frustrating because this was one of the only positions that we could feel confident in and had some depth to work with.
Now Griffin and Herndon are invisible. Wesco is proving to be a pretty stout blocker but thus far hasn’t been given a chance to see if he can catch.
I’d say Kyle Pitts is now a target at the end of round 1 assuming we don’t get Jamaar Chase with our first pick and the legit WRs are gone
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Maybe the line shouldn’t have been that it was impossible to evaluate Gase with the injuries from last season.
Maybe it should be that it is impossible to accurately evaluate the roster with Gase employing it.
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I’d say Kyle Pitts is now a target at the end of round 1 assuming we don’t get Jamaar Chase with our first pick and the legit WRs are gone
Pitts, Friermuth, and Jordan are all viable options with our second first rounder if the top five wideouts are gone.
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we need to go heavy with WR and IOL in the early/mid-rounds this year
those are the positions i picked but i understand that we can say it with any fuckin position on this roster
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we need to go heavy with WR and IOL in the early/mid-rounds this year
those are the positions i picked but i understand that we can say it with any fuckin position on this roster
Nah I agree. freak the rest of the team
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Nah I agree. freak the rest of the team
DL coming right up
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Maybe the line shouldn’t have been that it was impossible to evaluate Gase with the injuries from last season.
Maybe it should be that it is impossible to accurately evaluate the roster with Gase employing it.
This has to start becoming the conversation
Is the roster screwing Gase or is Gase making excrement salad out of decent parts?
It's not a great roster, and it's down some better players from last year, but every single player on this team looks worse than a year ago
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https://twitter.com/nyjmike/status/1312138863263973377?s=21
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Looking forward to more Jeff Smith and less Hogan/Malone
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Looking forward to more Jeff Smith and less Hogan/Malone
This is the saddest sentence and completely encapsulates this season.
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i liked what i saw from smith. decent size and showed a good amount of speed/athleticism at his BC pro day in 2019. ran a 4.36 40
season is shot so would be nice to see what we have in some of these unheralded FA signings/late round picks/UDFAs like franklin-myers, smith, bryce huff. our CBs have been derriere and i don't know what the situation with bryce hall has been but i hope he gets some burn this year too
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The Jets have been pretty good at developing players into good 2nd stringers.
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Looking forward to more Jeff Smith and less Hogan/Malone
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1313129020654080003?s=21
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The Jets have been pretty good at developing players into good 2nd stringers.
We occasionally produce an all pro LB for the Saints.
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We occasionally produce an all pro LB for the Saints.
Touche
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Hogan to IR with high ankle sprain.
Corresponding moves: Lamar Jackson signed to active roster, Josh Malone re-signed to practice squad.
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Hogan was acting like he broke his back after that injury. Assuming he tore something in his ankle...
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Bring in Rodney Anderson (he’s hurt still)
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Bring in Rodney Anderson (he’s hurt still)
Rod could've been so good. One of the best that never was.
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Michael Warren - UDFA 2020
Javon Leake - UDFA 2020
Jordan Scarlett - 25 - CAR 5th rd 2019
Jeremy Hill - 27 - former Bengal 2nd rder
Former Jets:
Bilal Powell
Kenneth Dixon
Pete Gurierro
Elijah McGuire
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Javon Leake would be cool.
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It'll be difficult for them to be worse than last year, so at least there's that.
How wrong were you?
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Just imagine what it would be like if we could have one of the top 5 players on this list on our roster.
https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving
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Just imagine what it would be like if we could have one of the top 5 players on this list on our roster.
https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving
Who could you possibly mean.
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Just imagine what it would be like if we could have one of the top 5 players on this list on our roster.
https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving
he wouldn't be top 5 if he was on this team as currently constructed and with this coach
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Just imagine what it would be like if we could have one of the top 5 players on this list on our roster.
https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving
Waitasekent...
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So the #6 guy on that list is a guy we could have easily taken at 11. I'm still happy we chose Becton, but does anyone wish we went with Lamb?
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So the #6 guy on that list is a guy we could have easily taken at 11. I'm still happy we chose Becton, but does anyone wish we went with Lamb?
No. But I do wish we went with Claypool instead of trading back.
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So the #6 guy on that list is a guy we could have easily taken at 11. I'm still happy we chose Becton, but does anyone wish we went with Lamb?
Currently? No.
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So the #6 guy on that list is a guy we could have easily taken at 11. I'm still happy we chose Becton, but does anyone wish we went with Lamb?
freak off, mate.
(Lamb is getting favorable matchups because of Cooper and Gallup.)
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Nah I am happy with Mims, he's going to take the NFL by hamstring.
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Nah I am happy with Mims, he's going to take the NFL by hamstring.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/iR7QfNSCpI4PC/giphy.gif)
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Nah I am happy with Mims, he's going to take the NFL by hamstring.
welcome back puck
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welcome back puck
Thank you bro
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So the #6 guy on that list is a guy we could have easily taken at 11. I'm still happy we chose Becton, but does anyone wish we went with Lamb?
No way. Build from the trenches and fill in the skill positions after. A young cornerstone LT is so hard to find.
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freak off, mate.
(Lamb is getting favorable matchups because of Cooper and Gallup.)
Currently playing almost exclusively from the slot, which is a matchup nightmare in itself.
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No way. Build from the trenches and fill in the skill positions after. A young cornerstone LT is so hard to find.
I don't know how you could look at the number of effective late round and UDFA receivers versus successful late round and UDFA left tackles in the league and even consider this a worthwhile discussion.
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No. But I do wish we went with Claypool instead of trading back.
If we took Claypool, Denzel Mims would have 400 yards in Pittsburgh right now. That franchise has some kind of supernatural ability when it comes to developing receivers.
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I'm firmly on the Becton bandwagon. Loved the WRs available with our pick but thought we had to build the trenches first and the 4 tackles had to be the pick IMO. Just thought it was worth mentioning considering how our wrs are playing.
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I think it would be a lot harder to find a top tier LT than someone capable of putting up numbers similar to Lamb.
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Going LT always was the right choice. The only way it wouldn’t be is if we were looking at a drastically inferior LT prospect like Ezra Cleveland or Josh Jones as our best options at 11. Percent hen you go WR all day. But thankfully we had Becton available to us and hopefully he gets healthy and continues to prove he is the best of them
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I'm firmly on the Becton bandwagon. Loved the WRs available with our pick but thought we had to build the trenches first and the 4 tackles had to be the pick IMO. Just thought it was worth mentioning considering how our wrs are playing.
I agree, you build out from the line of scrimmage, players like Q and Becton. We did go WR with the next pick and we're yet to see how that will work out.
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https://twitter.com/adamlevitan/status/1341445373919973376?s=21
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https://twitter.com/t_johns6/status/1346197746928250880?s=21
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Best contested catch rates from 2018-20 among WR (via PFF / min. 20 contested targets)
1. Keelan Cole (65.5%)
2. Michael Thomas (64.0%)
3. Tyler Lockett (63.9%)
4. Kenny Golladay (63.1%)
5. Corey Davis (62.5%)
-PFF
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https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1372718185598873600
I'd rather have Fuller for $9.6M than Crowder for $10.4M. I wonder what JuJu is going for.
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Bottom 5 PFF Grades for Jets on offense last night:
Yeboah 32.2
Walter 36.6
Brown 39.9
Kroft 45.4
Wesco 47.8
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Bottom 5 PFF Grades for Jets on offense last night:
Yeboah 32.2
Walter 36.6
Brown 39.9
Kroft 45.4
Wesco 47.8
TE should be a target at the draft next year
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Corey Davis averaged 1.67 yards of separation according to Next Gen Stats
Elijah Moore had 4.47
Keelan Cole had 3.5
Berrios had 2.65
League average 2.88
Davis led the Jets in targets with 10.
-DJ Bean