Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Derek Smalls on March 21, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
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Per the internet.
Would expect Winters to get cut now.
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1240043286171136000?s=21
I love it
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Hopefully they let Sam tell Winters to get the freak out
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DRAFT OT AT 11 AND LET SAM COOK
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Please release Winters.
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Well damn. JD is going to a get a whole new line in here. Damn surprised to see it but love it
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This mother fucker really rebuilt the line in a week.
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Van Roten has one penalty in 5 seasons
Costello
So can we blame Gase when he has 5 this season?
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Also Connor Hughes is saying GVR grew up a Jets fan. Not that it matters much but I always love bringing in guys who already love the green and white
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GTFO Winters
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Van Roten is from Nassau County, grew up a Jets fan.
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I'd like to reflect on the time a few days back where everyone was shitting their pants that Doug hadn't signed anyone the first day of tampering.
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VAN ROTEN SZN
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And keep in mind, these are guys were picked by an ex-offensive lineman as GM, not some college scout that never played.
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Douglas added a group of tough SOBs that can play all over the line
No more excuses for Adam Gase.
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Douglas added a group of tough SOBs that can play all over the line
No more excuses for Adam Gase.
This Energy
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No more excuses for Adam Gase.
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Douglas added a group of tough SOBs that can play all over the line
No more excuses for Adam Gase.
Yep. The offensive line is still below average on paper. But if we also address it in the draft, there should be enough talent and depth where it's competent. And in a 3rd year of Sam Darnold, we need to see Darnold live up to his draft stock, and we need to see Gase live up to his offensive genius mantra.
We will get a lot of preseason hype about the offense in training camp, just like last season. Hopefully, this year it carries over, at least until Sam gets coronavirus in Week 2.
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The offensive line is still below average on paper.
It's much better than it was last season, specifically on the interior.
Getting rid of Winters and adding a competent, steady center like McGovern fixes a lot of problems. McGovern said himself that he's a perfectionist that hates penalties and mistakes. Hopefully he will be the leader that unit needs. Van Roten is another blue collar lineman that rarely gets beat.
The left side with Fant/Rookie and Lewis worries me a lot, but at least we will be able to run inside and outside zone properly with the out there.
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It's much better than it was last season, specifically on the interior.
Getting rid of Winters and adding a competent, steady center like McGovern fixes a lot of problems. McGovern said himself that he's a perfectionist that hates penalties and mistakes. Hopefully he will be the leader that unit needs. Van Roten is another blue collar lineman that rarely gets beat.
The left side with Fant/Rookie and Lewis worries me a lot, but at least we will be able to run inside and outside zone properly with the out there.
Do you think Lewis stays on the left? Or could GVR play on the left? I would think a stronger vet next to a rookie would be a safer play. At least at RT we will either have a very experienced Fant or a young guy in Edoga who beat him out....
I know you said GVR is versatile, I’m just not super familiar with him
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Do you think Lewis stays on the left? Or could GVR play on the left? I would think a stronger vet next to a rookie would be a safer play. At least at RT we will either have a very experienced Fant or a young guy in Edoga who beat him out....
I know you said GVR is versatile, I’m just not super familiar with him
GVR is proven at right guard, but he's played some tackle. He can play inside and out.
Lewis needs to stay at left guard for now. Let Harrison and a rookie compete with him for that spot.
If we draft someone like Tristan Wirfs or Jedrick Wills, I wouldn't be shocked to see our coaching staff use them at guard early on...especially if Fant and Edoga are doing okay at tackle.
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Interested to see the contract here.
If Douglas got GVR for less than what we're paying Brian Winters...
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Interested to see the contract here.
If Douglas got GVR for less than what we're paying Brian Winters...
You and me both. I feel like details to other deals have leaked by now. Hopefully he’s on another team friendly deal.
Either way I have to believe OL is done for FA. Now we need to find some semblance of an edge rusher a corner and get Robbie back for cheap
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You and me both. I feel like details to other deals have leaked by now. Hopefully he’s on another team friendly deal.
Either way I have to believe OL is done for FA. Now we need to find some semblance of an edge rusher a corner and get Robbie back for cheap
I think we'll sign another tackle before the draft. You have to fill Brent Qvale's roster spot.
Jason Peters is still out there...
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I think we'll sign another tackle before the draft. You have to fill Brent Qvale's roster spot.
Jason Peters is still out there...
Do you think Peters would come here to be a depth guy? I just think at 38 if he wants to play he wants a shot to compete to start. Technically that’s possible now, but I just don’t think anybody would believe it. If we want a Qvale guy, I imagine it’s not a guy who might retire in TC if/when he loses the job
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Do you think Peters would come here to be a depth guy? I just think at 38 if he wants to play he wants a shot to compete to start. Technically that’s possible now, but I just don’t think anybody would believe it. If we want a Qvale guy, I imagine it’s not a guy who might retire in TC if/when he loses the job
I think Peters would come here to start and Edoga would slide into the swing tackle role
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Do you think Peters would come here to be a depth guy? I just think at 38 if he wants to play he wants a shot to compete to start. Technically that’s possible now, but I just don’t think anybody would believe it. If we want a Qvale guy, I imagine it’s not a guy who might retire in TC if/when he loses the job
If Jason Peters gets beat out by Chuma Edoga he should retire.
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I think Peters would come here to start and Edoga would slide into the swing tackle role
If Jason Peters gets beat out by Chuma Edoga he should retire.
Oh I don’t disagree, but if we draft a rookie in round 1, especially if we trade up for an OT, that guy is locked in as a starter, so the fight at RT is between Fant (a guy we are paying basically $10 million to) Edoga and Peters.
As it stands today, Peters makes sense. But once we draft our OT I don’t think it makes sense to pay Peters $6-8 million to be a backup guy or if he beats Fant/Edoga you have Fant making $10 million as swing tackle depth.
I mean our roster is BETTER with Peters no question, I just can’t see a reason to bring him in today given what my expectations are for round 1 of the draft.
I also think if our plan is to replace the Qvale role, we can pay someone Qvale money to do so. I don’t think Peters is coming in for that price
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Offensive line baby. What I'm talking about.
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While JD has done a commendable job improving the interior line
LT is still a tremendous red flag
The question is what Farts role is here and our plans for both tackle spots
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While JD has done a commendable job improving the interior line
LT is still a tremendous red flag
The question is what Farts role is here and our plans for both tackle spots
I think it's pretty clear right now the plan for Fant. He gives us a legitimate left tackle in case the draft doesn't go the way we want it to. And if we do draft someone, he can compete with Edoga and the rookie for that spot.
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The question is what Farts role is here and our plans for both tackle spots
lol
I look forward to the next few years of this
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While JD has done a commendable job improving the interior line
LT is still a tremendous red flag
The question is what Farts role is here and our plans for both tackle spots
It sure is which is why Wills/Wirf/Becton/Thomas should be a Jet come late April. OL's an improved work in progress but still minus the cornerstone to protect Sam's blindside. Fant's swing/insurance
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I hope we keep Fart just for the name.
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I think it's pretty clear right now the plan for Fant. He gives us a legitimate left tackle in case the draft doesn't go the way we want it to. And if we do draft someone, he can compete with Edoga and the rookie for that spot.
Except he's not a legitimate left tackle
He's a highly capable backup or a project. Whichever tittle you find more fair.
Regardless you're talking about a team whose biggest problem last year was its OL heading into the draft with extremely questionable left and right tackles.
If we sign Beachum I instantly become excited about the OL
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It sure is which is why Wills/Wirf/Becton/Thomas should be a Jet come late April. OL's an improved work in progress but still minus the cornerstone to protect Sam's blindside. Fant's swing/insurance
Unfortunately we have 10 teams drafting ahead of us l. And 3 of those names could easily be off the board. The thought of having the 4th best tackle in the draft and two highly questionable players competing for both tackle spots doesn't excite me. Plus I think it's bad practice to go into the draft completely dependant on a certain player falling to you.
I think you need to resign beachum. If an OL falls to us, then great, Fart is cutable in a year if he doesn't work out. If one doesn't. Then we have adequate talent to get through the season and we can go bpa or trade down.
Having to NEED a tackle with the first pick in the draft is just too risky.
I'd also be completely cool with signing Jason Peters to a one year contract. Gives us a little flexibility
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETrdvpZWsAMsAPN?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/GVR64/status/1241548463302729731
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Unfortunately we have 10 teams drafting ahead of us l. And 3 of those names could easily be off the board. The thought of having the 4th best tackle in the draft and two highly questionable players competing for both tackle spots doesn't excite me. Plus I think it's bad practice to go into the draft completely dependant on a certain player falling to you.
I think you need to resign beachum. If an OL falls to us, then great, Fart is cutable in a year if he doesn't work out. If one doesn't. Then we have adequate talent to get through the season and we can go bpa or trade down.
Having to NEED a tackle with the first pick in the draft is just too risky.
I'd also be completely cool with signing Jason Peters to a one year contract. Gives us a little flexibility
I’m fine with any of the top 4 OTs. Without going back to look, they all would probably be the top OT if you dropped one of them into any of the past few drafts.
It is a legitimate concern that all 4 might be gone at 11.
Jordan Love/Derrick Brown hype train
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I went back to look, because of course I did.
Top OT taken:
2019: 11 - Jonah Williams - CIN
2018: 9 - Mike McGlinchy - SF
2017: 20 - Garrett Bolles - DEN
This list makes me want OT at 11 EVEN MORE
FWIW, 2016 had Ronnie Stanley and Jack Conklin top 10
Also, kinda forgot the patriots got stripped of their first rounder for deflategate LOL
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Sticking with a clear offseason trend for Douglas, GVR, like Fant/McGovern, has position flexibility. Exp at G & C, with ability to kick out & play OT.
Also a trend: GVR is pretty good in pass protection. 3 total sacks allowed & five QB hits last 2 years (1,144 passing snaps)
Hughes
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Draft a LT. We have the QB finally, don't freak around, get his LT and be done with it.
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While JD has done a commendable job improving the interior line
LT is still a tremendous red flag
The question is what Farts role is here and our plans for both tackle spots
This reads like an sg3 post
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dcm talking about the draft and the “4th best” tackle is very irritating
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dcm talking about the draft and the “4th best” tackle is very irritating
I'm not calling draft picks "the lottery"
What I'm saying is we can't control who gets picked in front of us.
Surely you'd agree that having flexibility with your draft picks is superior to needing to draft xyz position with a certain pick.
I'd be thrilled to draft a talented tackle with our first pick. But if we feel theres a superb (whatever) available but NEED a tackle and we're not thrilled about whose available because there was a run on tackles before our pick. Well that's a shitty situation
Maybe I worded it poorly but I'm suggesting I'd rather have flexibility to go BPA/value then to draft on need. And as of right now it looks like we could have to draft on need.
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https://twitter.com/gvr64/status/1241542295935242241?s=21
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https://twitter.com/gvr64/status/1241548463302729731?s=21
I like this guy
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I'm not calling draft picks "the lottery"
What I'm saying is we can't control who gets picked in front of us.
Surely you'd agree that having flexibility with your draft picks is superior to needing to draft xyz position with a certain pick.
I'd be thrilled to draft a talented tackle with our first pick. But if we feel theres a superb (whatever) available but NEED a tackle and we're not thrilled about whose available because there was a run on tackles before our pick. Well that's a shitty situation
Maybe I worded it poorly but I'm suggesting I'd rather have flexibility to go BPA/value then to draft on need. And as of right now it looks like we could have to draft on need.
I don't care what you're saying.
You don't know anything about any of the top tackle prospects. You're just automatically assuming that if three of the four go before our pick and we get the fourth tackle that we're getting the worst of the bunch.
And that's stupid.
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If an OL falls to us, then great, Fart is cutable in a year
Man how freaking old are you? 3? We left TGG for a reason. If you want to behave like a toddler go back there
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Man how freaking old are you? 3? We left TGG for a reason. If you want to behave like a toddler go back there
He’s 1,602 years old
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Man how freaking old are you? 3? We left TGG for a reason. If you want to behave like a toddler go back there
Get used to it because BO and MB are going to giggle like school girls whenever they use the word Fart.
By like I mean they are 2 little school girls.
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Get used to it because BO and MB are going to giggle like school girls whenever they use the word Fart.
By like I mean they are 2 little school girls.
If you don't laugh at farts you are an poopchute.
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1242094149513461762?s=21
King of The Nassau County!
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Fartawa
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Details of Greg Van Roten’s 3-year deal for $10.5M:
$3.25M guaranteed at signing.
2020: $1M base, $2M roster bonus, $500K max per-game roster bonus ($3.5M cash)
Non-guaranteed base salaries in 2020-21. &1.25M in playtime + Pro Bowl incentives each yr
De facto 1yr, $3.5M deal
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Details of Greg Van Roten’s 3-year deal for $10.5M:
$3.25M guaranteed at signing.
2020: $1M base, $2M roster bonus, $500K max per-game roster bonus ($3.5M cash)
Non-guaranteed base salaries in 2020-21. &1.25M in playtime + Pro Bowl incentives each yr
De facto 1yr, $3.5M deal
That's brilliant. Thought he'd at least be making Alex Lewis money.
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Damn that’s an excellent deal.
No wonder We still have Winters around. I would have bet his deal was nearly 3 times what he is getting paid.
Damn what a move by JD
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If you don't laugh at farts you are an poopchute.
Laugh to your hearts content:
https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/1243377326890430464 (https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/1243377326890430464)
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1442272660214349829?s=21
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Not excusing GVR, but the team hung him out to dry last night. They put his derriere up on the podium to deal with the sharks but not one of these clown receivers had to answer why they can't catch anything.
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Not excusing GVR, but the team hung him out to dry last night. They put his derriere up on the podium to deal with the sharks but not one of these clown receivers had to answer why they can't catch anything.
Corey Davis spoke to the media as well.
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I also think it's overblown what he said. Zach does need to get the ball out earlier. GVR and the line needs to block better, with GVR being the main culprit.
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I also think it's overblown what he said. Zach does need to get the ball out earlier. GVR and the line needs to block better, with GVR being the main culprit.
There’s usually nowhere for him to go with the football
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I also think it's overblown what he said. Zach does need to get the ball out earlier. GVR and the line needs to block better, with GVR being the main culprit.
K
Zach Wilson's average time to either get a pass off or for the pocket to collapse is 1.7 seconds.
He's been sacked 15 times (most in NFL), Hurried 14 times (2nd most in NFL) Pressured 33 times (most in NFL) - His pressure % is 27% (2nd most among 3 game starters)
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Corey Davis spoke to the media as well.
Didn't see it, but I'll take your word for it.
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Jets notable PFF Grades Offensively:
Greg Van Roten: 87.0
Elijah Moore: 84.4
Braxton Berrios: 79.4
Ty Johnson: 78.4
Jamison Crowder: 78.2
Michael Carter: 74.1
Alijah Vera-Tucker: 72.4
Mike White: 68.9
Wtf actually happened yesterday
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Jets notable PFF Grades Offensively:
Greg Van Roten: 87.0
Elijah Moore: 84.4
Braxton Berrios: 79.4
Ty Johnson: 78.4
Jamison Crowder: 78.2
Michael Carter: 74.1
Alijah Vera-Tucker: 72.4
Mike White: 68.9
Wtf actually happened yesterday
The playcalling was clearly designed to get the ball out of White's hands as quickly as possible, so the rushers didn't really have time to blow GvR up. It is noticeable how many times Hubbard, who was attacking that side of the line, managed to get his hands up and get something on the pass. I don't know if PFF reflect that as a negative on the lineman.
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Jets notable PFF Grades Offensively:
Greg Van Roten: 87.0
Elijah Moore: 84.4
Braxton Berrios: 79.4
Ty Johnson: 78.4
Jamison Crowder: 78.2
Michael Carter: 74.1
Alijah Vera-Tucker: 72.4
Mike White: 68.9
Wtf actually happened yesterday
If this just doesn't perfectly encapsulate the fact that PFF is bullshit
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How many passes did Hubbard tip yesterday? GVR was responsible for every single one of them.
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How many passes did Hubbard tip yesterday? GVR was responsible for every single one of them.
Regardless of how many he actually tipped, he had his hands up on every play. I was begging GVR to dive for his legs on just one of them.
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Regardless of how many he actually tipped, he had his hands up on every play. I was begging GVR to dive for his legs on just one of them.
I don't think linemen can do that anymore in the NFL.
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I don't think linemen can do that anymore in the NFL.
I thought the dividing line was the knees.
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I thought the dividing line was the knees.
There's some stupid rule "inside the tight end box" where linemen can't block low.
The way the quick screen game took off is linemen diving below the knee, at shins to drive the defender back.
Van Roten diving at Hubbard's upper body is a whiff. He'd have to dive below the knee to get any kind of drop from the defender.
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PFF also had Sam Darnold as their number 1 rated QB (line was like 13/24 with 150 yards and no TDs) and Mike White outside of the top 10
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1522647949964152832
GVR's watch is ended.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1522647949964152832
GVR's watch is ended.
Joe Douglas with another solid move.
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Updated thread title
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GVR's signing ended Brian Winters' Jets career.
Herbig's signing ends GVR's Jets career.
Curious who replaces Herbig once we decide we don't like him
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Curious who replaces Herbig once we decide we don't like him
Brian Winters
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better, younger, cheaper
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GVR was a Jets fan so he gets a pass. He does not rank on the list of derriere signings of this franchise.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Robert Saleh on Greg Van Roten: “We’d love to have him back.”
#Jets felt he’d have starting opportunities elsewhere. If he has chance to go and start, they wanted to give him that.
Sounds like, if he can’t find that, the Jets will bring him back.
how about no?
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I'd rather bring back LDT.
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I'd rather bring back LDT.
I have a soxxx feeling LDT is moving back to Canada to do his doctor thing.
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GVR is fine as a depth backup who knows the system. Nice of them to give him a chance elsewhere. Doubt he comes back.
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LDT could start somewhere else, he's not riding the bench for cheap. GVR can't start anywhere but would be fine to bring back as cheap depth.
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LDT could start somewhere else, he's not riding the bench for cheap. GVR can't start anywhere but would be fine to bring back as cheap depth.
I think it comes down to this as it pertains to those two players. LDT is a better player than GVR. As such LDT will make more money. Do you really want to pay your OG 4 $3-5 million? I can't see any scenario LDT doesn't get at least what GVR was getting before we just cut him. GVR on the other hand, might get less than Herbig who we just claimed to cut GVR. That's the most likely scenario if either guy ends up returning in my opinion anyways.
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GVR is fine as a depth backup who knows the system. Nice of them to give him a chance elsewhere. Doubt he comes back.
Agreed.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Former Jets G Greg Van Roten has signed a one-year contract with the #Bills, who announced the move. GVR, who started 10 games last season, was released May 6. #Jets
bai
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Former Jets G Greg Van Roten has signed a one-year contract with the #Bills, who announced the move. GVR, who started 10 games last season, was released May 6. #Jets
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He's a decent backup. He's trash if starting. I'll cut him slack, he was a Jets fan.
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He's a decent backup. He's trash if starting. I'll cut him slack, he was a Jets fan.
He's been sent on a death or glory mission to get Josh Allen killed.
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What's with the Bills and our castoff interior linemen? Long, Winters, Van Roten...