Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 05, 2020, 01:14:41 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2020, 01:26:17 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 05, 2020, 02:02:59 PM
Apparently it's expected to spread so badly that hospitals across the country are preparing to set up tents in their parking lots
Shouldn’t you be setting up tents instead of shitposting
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2020, 02:07:13 PM
Shouldn’t you be setting up tents instead of shitposting
Ef that I'm scared of sick people
Post by: bojanglesman on March 05, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
Puck got coronavirus one time. He just flushed some diesel fuel down into his lungs using an old funnel from the last oil change on his 87 Trans Am. No more virus and it improved his fuel efficiency.I can totally see Puck driving an old Trans Am. He's not quite hick enough for an IROC-Z and not suburban enough for a 'Vette.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 05, 2020, 04:08:28 PM
I can totally see Puck driving an old Trans Am. He's not quite hick enough for an IROC-Z and not suburban enough for a 'Vette.
That's who drives IROC-Z's in canada?
Here in the States unfortunately the IROC for the longest time was the car of the wannabe guido. You know the type, they act like extras on the Sopranos but eat their sunday gravy out of a ragu jar.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 05:28:23 AM
https://amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true
Seems not ideal
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2020, 07:29:07 AM
Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.
https://amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true
Seems not ideal
I'm hesitant to believe anything out of China especially since "a combination of SARS and AIDS" seems quite dramatic.
But if this ends up being true I think we're going to see a new degree of hysteria and the stock market will end up tanking on an otherworldly degrees
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 07:56:43 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2020, 09:14:50 AM
I'm hesitant to believe anything out of China especially since "a combination of SARS and AIDS" seems quite dramatic.Their evidence appears to be that an 85 year old victim had evidence of fibrosis. I can't think of anything else that might cause fibrosis in an elderly man from an industrial city in China...
But if this ends up being true I think we're going to see a new degree of hysteria and the stock market will end up tanking on an otherworldly degrees
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 11:29:59 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Rwd7d2Rww"You won't hef to werry"
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 06, 2020, 12:21:57 PM
Their evidence appears to be that an 85 year old victim had evidence of fibrosis. I can't think of anything else that might cause fibrosis in an elderly man from an industrial city in China...
Yikes, if that kind of lung damage can happen under those clear blue skies, imagine what will happen here?!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 12:43:15 PM
Enjoy your AIDS-SARS, skepticsI'm wearing triple-layered condoms 24/7. Not taking chances.
Post by: Gorilla on March 06, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
I'm wearing triple-layered condoms 24/7. Not taking chances.
Good call. I've also stocked up on Silver Solution (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/03/05/ny-attorney-general-televangelist-jim-bakker-stop-peddling-unproven-coronavirus-cures/).
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2020, 03:43:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 06, 2020, 06:26:16 PM
I’m cool with this. Don’t have to worry about traffic now.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2020, 07:21:00 PM
Austin cancelled SXSW because of thisWonder how many other major events are going to be cancelled.
I’m cool with this. Don’t have to worry about traffic now.
This is also where having an administration that lies about everything all the time, including things that don't need to be lied about, hurts this country. I don't buy a word Trump or Pence says about the illness, particularly Trump who quite obviously has no idea what's going on. Pence probably doesn't either, but he does a slightly better job of hiding it. He probably just assumes this is God smiting all the non-believers or something.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
Wonder how many other major events are going to be cancelled.Bojanglesfest 2020 has been cancelled. No refunds.
This is also where having an administration that lies about everything all the time, including things that don't need to be lied about, hurts this country. I don't buy a word Trump or Pence says about the illness, particularly Trump who quite obviously has no idea what's going on. Pence probably doesn't either, but he does a slightly better job of hiding it. He probably just assumes this is God smiting all the non-believers or something.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 06, 2020, 07:40:52 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2020, 07:55:53 PM
I'm going to a 311 3-day concert next week in Vegas, I'll be in Vegas around the NCAA Tournament, I have a Rage Against the Machine concert I'm going to later this month, and I have another concert festival I'm going to in May. Plus, I like to play poker. So basically, I'm going to get the coronavirus somewhere...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200307/4da416288284c8811adbcd97defc49da.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on March 06, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
Wonder how many other major events are going to be cancelled.Liberal lies
This is also where having an administration that lies about everything all the time, including things that don't need to be lied about, hurts this country. I don't buy a word Trump or Pence says about the illness, particularly Trump who quite obviously has no idea what's going on. Pence probably doesn't either, but he does a slightly better job of hiding it. He probably just assumes this is God smiting all the non-believers or something.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2020, 11:18:33 PM
Biden/Sanders/Bush/Clinton/McCain/Trump/Pence all don't inspire confidence in their intellectual abilities.
Hillary and Cheney both seemed very intelligent thoguh, even if they were both narcissistic sociopaths.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 06, 2020, 11:35:08 PM
To be fair Obama is probably the only president/presidential candidate in recent years I'd believe when speaking about Coronavirus at all. Mostly because he's the only president I can think of who seems like a genuinely intelligent person capable of understanding advanced concepts.
Biden/Sanders/Bush/Clinton/McCain/Trump/Pence all don't inspire confidence in their intellectual abilities.
Hillary and Cheney both seemed very intelligent thoguh, even if they were both narcissistic sociopaths.
Can you imagine if Cheney and Hillary had a kid? I think this place is filled with giant gaping assholes, if you put us all together that kid would dwarf us.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 06, 2020, 11:50:26 PM
Can you imagine if Cheney and Hillary had a kid? I think this place is filled with giant gaping assholes, if you put us all together that kid would dwarf us.
If they had a daughter I'd definitely want to bang her
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 07, 2020, 01:24:01 AM
Now they're saying again tonight that it's been contained, when that clearly is not the case.
This is Baghdad Bob level excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 08:23:47 AM
Categorized as endemic in Seattle
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
They said a week and a half ago that it had been contained. Clearly, that was a lie.
Now they're saying again tonight that it's been contained, when that clearly is not the case.
This is Baghdad Bob level excrement.
Lol it’s not like you believed them. It’s not contained anywhere that it’s spread to
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2020, 08:42:41 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured
Post by: reuben on March 07, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
I have a Rage Against the Machine concert I'm going to later this month
I had no idea they were back together. One of the best live shows I've ever seen.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 11:59:06 AM
The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured
Ok Trump
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
Ok Trump
You can tell I'm different to Trump by the way I'm quoting a link with actual scientists and excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 12:02:06 PM
You can tell I'm different to Trump by the way I'm quoting a link with actual scientists and excrement.
But you agree Trump is correct
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
But you agree Trump is correctAs I long since gave up listening to anything that buffoon says because it's almost entirely made up in his head, I have no idea. It is true that a stopped clock is occasionally correct, but not often.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
Quote
The governor says he is declaring state of emergency
Cuomo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2020, 01:02:22 PM
Quote
Cuomo says the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York has risen to 76, up from 44 yesterday
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
But Coronavirus is going to make rich folks a lot of freaking money
Post by: Pope on March 07, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 07, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
I have corona virus
RIP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 08, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1236585278585933824?s=21
Post by: Miamipuck on March 08, 2020, 09:19:53 AM
The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured
You dick, watching and listening to people panic is pretty damn fun.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 08:20:40 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 09:06:11 AM
Today's already being referred to as "black monday" with the markets set to crash at opening bell. Coronavirus is gonna make some people very rich and others lose massive amounts of wealthOil price plunge is a big factor via Saudi Arabia flooding the market, not just the virus.
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 09:07:18 AM
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2020/03/09/masturbation-can-help-people-fight-the-coronavirus/
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 09:42:17 AM
Oil price plunge is a big factor via Saudi Arabia flooding the market, not just the virus.
Is that not related to Coronavirus in some part?
Regardless the circuit breaker happening today is pretty fascinating stuff
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 10:33:43 AM
Is that not related to Coronavirus in some part?It probably a few degrees from Kevin Bacon too, but not reasonably related. Then again, I'm an idiot.
Regardless the circuit breaker happening today is pretty fascinating stuff
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
It probably a few degrees from Kevin Bacon too, but not reasonably related. Then again, I'm an idiot.
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here
I cannot comprehend this
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2020, 11:17:34 AM
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here
I cannot comprehend this
oh excrement...when did dcm become self-aware?!
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged here
I cannot comprehend this
I think Bo is saying that the oil thing isn't CV related, at least not directly, but I'm with you. My understanding is that OPEC wanted to hold the price down because the CV panic is impacting travel and tourism industries which are hugely impacted by oil prices, Russia said no because it's in their interest to have western markets in turmoil, OPEC told Russia to freak off and Saudi decided to remind the Russians who the big boy in the room is when it comes to global oil markets.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 01:28:25 PM
Not sure if dcm mode is engaged herehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon
I cannot comprehend this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said that people would only be permitted to travel for work or family emergencies.
He said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were to defend the most fragile members of society.
Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China.
The number of confirmed infections also increased to 9,172, up from 7,375 on Sunday, official figures show.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 09:08:04 AM
Instant Classic
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1237367948420902914?s=21
Instant Classic
This is why Trump is your president...because imbeciles like this are the ones voting in your elections.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 10:00:21 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 11:01:03 AM
This is why Trump is your president...because imbeciles like this are the ones voting in your elections.
https://twitter.com/ordiomongo/status/1237205918695161856?s=21
America is fucked
Post by: guinness77 on March 10, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
:10 to :30
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ordiomongo/status/1237205918695161856?s=21Damn. We may all die, but goddammit we will wipe our asses in style!
America is fucked
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 11:20:17 AM
In CT, they just cancelled all the HS state championships for all sports. First round was last night, and they just ended the tournament.
If things don’t get start getting better soon, only a matter of time until they tell us that March madness and MLB games will be played without fans in attendance. They already banned the media from the locker rooms in the 4 major sports.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 11:29:35 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
Regular season champion Yale will go to the NCAA Tournament.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 10, 2020, 11:46:14 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 11:50:37 AM
Consider installing a bidet.
Did you know you can get these retrofit bidet things that go on your toilet and cost less than $50? I just learned that today and I'm quite tempted.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 10, 2020, 11:58:56 AM
Did you know you can get these retrofit bidet things that go on your toilet and cost less than $50? I just learned that today and I'm quite tempted.
Those are the kinds I was used to in Japan. Every toilet in every house had them.
Harvard is moving students off campus and setting up remote classes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
My job has suspended non-essential business air travel and banned meetings/conferences with more than 20 people lol
My work just suspended my primary assignment until at least 6/30/20. It involves traveling to and collecting data/info from aerospace hardware manufacturing suppliers for the military/govt so they would had to have gotten direction and approval from the feds.
I didn’t expect to see a target date that far out for anything canceled/suspended. No idea if it’s just over precaution or there’s anything to read into.
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2020, 12:45:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
New Rochelle minor quarantine
Post by: Jumbo on March 10, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Welp
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 02:10:53 PM
We can just go to Hardee's and buy a burger and they will give you so many napkins you could wipe your derriere in an emergency for 10 years.
I'm kidding, we are all gonna die.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 10, 2020, 02:23:31 PM
did it take the fvcking coronavirus to remind these people to clean their asses
Post by: Jumbo on March 10, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
why the fvckin run on toilet paper?
did it take the fvcking coronavirus to remind these people to clean their asses
People don't even know how to doomsday prep, buying out the frozen section smfh
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 03:34:15 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 03:35:19 PM
Hypothetical: You are a dumbass and think the world is ending. You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item. It's all you can buy. What are you buying?
Beer
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 03:40:57 PM
BeerThat's why we pay you. Good answer.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 03:44:53 PM
why the fvckin run on toilet paper?
did it take the fvcking coronavirus to remind these people to clean their asses
Just read online how there's a huge shortage of toilet paper in Australia
I guess it is a thing
Post by: Gorilla on March 10, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
Hypothetical: You are a dumbass and think the world is ending. You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item. It's all you can buy. What are you buying?
Booze is tempting., as is canned food.
Maybe painkllers/fever reducers (all the tylenol and ibuprofen)?
Post by: mj2sexay on March 10, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
Just read online how there's a huge shortage of toilet paper in Australia
I guess it is a thing
No one ever accused the Aussie's of being brain surgeons.
Anyway, considering I have plenty of entertainment ready to go in terms of video games/tv shows I haven't touched yet, some beautiful sticky icky icky and my wife demanded I go on a non-perishable run over the weekend just in case, I say bring on the mass quarantine!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Just read online how there's a huge shortage of toilet paper in Australia
I guess it is a thing
The only way there would be a shortage on toilet paper is if a bunch of frenzied retards went around buying it all up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Hypothetical: You are a dumbass and think the world is ending. You are the first one in the door when Costco opens and have first shot at only 1 item. It's all you can buy. What are you buying?
Industrial strength Cumberland jeans
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 04:36:44 PM
The only way there would be a shortage on toilet paper is if a bunch of frenzied retards went around buying it all up
I mean I don't know where toilet paper is made. But if I was to wager a guess I would say most of it is made in China. I still don't see why there would be a shortage of it as it's probably stupid easy to produce. But at least makes some sense
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:37:03 PM
Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country.
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said that people would only be permitted to travel for work or family emergencies.
He said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were to defend the most fragile members of society.
Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China.
The number of confirmed infections also increased to 9,172, up from 7,375 on Sunday, official figures show.
https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840?s=21
“Please, please guys. Here in northern #Italy we made one big mistake. Everybody kept saying "It's just flu" and now our intensive care units are collapsing. Everybody kept going outside like nothing happened and now our grandparents and parents are dying.
#coronavirus is not #flu
...
Right now in Lombardy (red zone) we have a 5/6% mortality rate. That's because our healthcare system is starting to fall. Our doctors are strong and they're doing everything they can, working 24/7 no stop away from their family. As your brave doctors do and did. Sending love”
Point to consider that the mortality rate goes up in communities where the medical resources have been overwhelmed.
Post by: guinness77 on March 10, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
That’s a good question. Maybe propane?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840?s=21
“Please, please guys. Here in northern #Italy we made one big mistake. Everybody kept saying "It's just flu" and now our intensive care units are collapsing. Everybody kept going outside like nothing happened and now our grandparents and parents are dying.
#coronavirus is not #flu
...
Right now in Lombardy (red zone) we have a 5/6% mortality rate. That's because our healthcare system is starting to fall. Our doctors are strong and they're doing everything they can, working 24/7 no stop away from their family. As your brave doctors do and did. Sending love”
Point to consider that the mortality rate goes up in communities where the medical resources have been overwhelmed.
I don't know if that's supposed to be a reporter or just some random idiot.
But id wager that more people will die from the burden on healthcare resources (ie hysteria of everyone with the sniffles going to the hospital) than from the actual disease itself
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 04:39:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:42:46 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 04:43:29 PM
I mean I don't know where toilet paper is made. But if I was to wager a guess I would say most of it is made in China. I still don't see why there would be a shortage of it as it's probably stupid easy to produce. But at least makes some sense
In Canada it's made in Canada. Apparently in Australia it's made in Australia. I assume that in the US it's made in the US. It's just not a high enough value consumable to be economically feasible as a long distance import, would be my guess.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:43:32 PM
I don't know if that's supposed to be a reporter or just some random idiot.
But id wager that more people will die from the burden on healthcare resources (ie hysteria of everyone with the sniffles going to the hospital) than from the actual disease itself
Sit this one out
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2020, 04:48:38 PM
That way if I need something else, I can shoot you and take what is now mine.
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
I don't know if that's supposed to be a reporter or just some random idiot.
But id wager that more people will die from the burden on healthcare resources (ie hysteria of everyone with the sniffles going to the hospital) than from the actual disease itself
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.
Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.
This is a good resource for the latest data:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 05:01:39 PM
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.Mexico will pay for it. All positives will be deported to Manitoba.
Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.
This is a good resource for the latest data:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
Mexico will pay for it. All positives will be deported to Manitoba.
There's a not insignificant chance that hot weather slows or even prevents the spread of coronaviruses. There's a reason no one gets the flu in summer. Mexico has 7 reported cases, although I recognise that their reporting is probably not to the same level as other countries; look though at where the reported cases are in the US. They're in Washington and New York and northern California, they're not in Arizona or Florida despite those states skewing much older and therefore more likely to require hospitalisation.
Post by: Pope on March 10, 2020, 05:21:17 PM
See you all in hell losers
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 05:24:57 PM
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.
Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.
This is a good resource for the latest data:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I certainly don't think the US Healthcare model is special
But I don't think any model will be particularly advantaged at handling an overloaded system because of hysteria. It sounds like Canada has a good setup according to what you said, but I'd wager that's more because of being organized and sensible (and having such a small amount of people testing positive) rather than their actual system.
As long as everyone's crazy and thinks this is the apocalypse systems will be overloaded. I think public relations will do more to combat this than any medical interventions
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2020, 05:28:04 PM
There's a not insignificant chance that hot weather slows or even prevents the spread of coronaviruses. There's a reason no one gets the flu in summer. Mexico has 7 reported cases, although I recognise that their reporting is probably not to the same level as other countries; look though at where the reported cases are in the US. They're in Washington and New York and northern California, they're not in Arizona or Florida despite those states skewing much older and therefore more likely to require hospitalisation.
Probably also helps that there's probably a lot less people around the world traveling to Mexico than their is to NY LA etc.
But no question climate probably plays a key role. And the fact that this pandemic is coming to fruition in March instead of say November, will probably save countless lives in the US
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
I certainly don't think the US Healthcare model is special
But I don't think any model will be particularly advantaged at handling an overloaded system because of hysteria. It sounds like Canada has a good setup according to what you said, but I'd wager that's more because of being organized and sensible (and having such a small amount of people testing positive) rather than their actual system.
As long as everyone's crazy and thinks this is the apocalypse systems will be overloaded. I think public relations will do more to combat this than any medical interventions
Social healthcare systems are better equipped because they can funnel the populace as a group into a single process, but of course if the process isn't right or properly resourced then it also falls down. The UK has that problem currently as it wants people who think they might have symptoms to first call the NHS 111 hotline, which means of course every queynte with a weird pimple is calling up to see if it means they have coronavirus and as a result people are having to sit on hold for hours on end to get answered because British people are freaking idiots who love a good panic.
In Canada we seem to have a handle on it, we're doing a similar thing with pointing people initially to their provincial telehealth service - I imagine they're busy but I haven't heard of them being overwhelmed. If telehealth determines that you sound like you are a risk of positive (symptoms, high risk travel etc) then they're directing you to your local testing centre with a referral number - without a referral you don't get tested.
In the US I suspect the risk is that walk in centres and ERs will take the brunt of the uninsured, or worse, people who are actually infected but have no coverage will just soldier on and keep spreading it. We shall see.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 10, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
In the US I suspect the risk is that walk in centres and ERs will take the brunt of the uninsured, or worse, people who are actually infected but have no coverage will just soldier on and keep spreading it. We shall see.That's the problem. Unless you quarantine everybody, people will still be spreading the virus. You go to a restaurant, whoever handles your food can have it. You go to a bar, same thing. You go to the grocery store to prepare for the threat, and the person giving you bags can have it.
I'm going to a concert the next 3 days then I'm going to Vegas for March Madness. Am I worried? Hell yes. But the only way to 100% avoid it is to basically lock yourself in your house.
Post by: reuben on March 10, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.
Bowing at a distance vs. slobbering on each cheek.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 06:40:53 PM
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BREAKING: Massachusetts has just announced 51 *new* cases of coronavirus, bringing the total number of presumptive cases to 92 -- a 124 percent increase from yesterday. Seventy of the cases are related to the Biogen conference in Boston. Six people are hospitalized. #WBZ
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 06:42:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 10, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 09:12:44 PM
Watch this. It's about math.
https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
That didn’t make me feel any better.
QFT from the comments:
Media: "Everybody Panic"
Governments: "Everybody Stay Calm"
3blue1brown: "Be Sufficiently Worried"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
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OLYMPIA – To try to help stop the spread of the coronavirus, Gov. Jay Inslee is expected Wednesday to restrict gatherings of more than 250 people, including at sporting events and concerts.
The measure, the most sweeping since the outbreak began in the state, will be announced during a Seattle news conference, according to a source involved in conversations with the governor’s office but who has not been cleared to discuss the issue.
Joining Inslee will be the mayors of Seattle, Everett and Tacoma and executives for King, Snohomish and Pierce counties.
freak. That’s the start of it. Gotta think other states and NCAA/MLB will follow suit if things get worse
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 10, 2020, 10:41:21 PM
freak. That’s the start of it. Gotta think other states and NCAA/MLB will follow suit if things get worseYesterday, the Sharks said they wouldn't play in front of fans. Today, the Ivy League canceled its tournament and 2 other leagues said they wouldn't play in front of fans.
This is going to get worse before it gets better.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2020, 02:41:17 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 12:07:57 PM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.
My kid is on spring break this week. His school (Boston U) just shut down in-person classes and has gone completely online until at least mid-April.
This is insane.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 12:18:09 PM
My kid is on spring break this week. His school (Boston U) just shut down in-person classes and has gone completely online until at least mid-April.
This is insane.
A ton of universities are following this trend
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
A ton of universities are following this trend
It's crazy
I've been in disaster planning meetings all week. We were beginning to implement a DR plan company wide already, but this event has sent everything into overdrive. Our corporate policy has always been absolutely no remote work, and now suddenly we're looking at the possibility.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 12:35:39 PM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.
I'd honestly rather the take home while the info is still fresh.
I'm shocked my old law school hasn't canceled live classes and begun remote sessions.
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 12:53:49 PM
My school just canceled in person classes right in the middle of freaking mid-terms. I have 3 left and my professors have the option of giving online tests or waiting. this is freaking weird.
Yeah, same for me.
I'd imagine at this point that schools are just afraid of staying open, someone there getting covid, and then suing them for staying open.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 01:07:07 PM
Schools and universities have been desperate to push remote learning for years. Easier to attract students from anywhere in the world, no need to maintain costly real estate, no having to deal with the attendant issues that come with having thousands of hormonal 20 year olds in one place. This will almost certainly be a catalyst to push remote learning into a more mainstream approach, and frankly it's a good idea for a lot of students.
Yeah, I'm all for it. Also a good way to push out the dinosaurs who think it's a point of pride that they don't know how to send a freaking email.
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 01:07:24 PM
Over my lunch, i went to 6 different stores near my office (Costco, Canadian Tire, Shoppers Drug Mart, Sobeys, Safeway, and i even tried Home Depot) to see if i could purchase a replacement.....all sold out.
We don't have a single case of freaking COVID19 reported in this city yet. But here we are.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 01:14:37 PM
Completely unrelated to the subject at hand, i actually keep a hand pump of Purell Hand Sanitizer on my desk. People are disgusting pigs, and my coworkers are no different. Anyway, I've had this bottle for the last 2 years. In a sweet piece of irony, the bottle finally ran out today. Of all the times for it to run out.
Over my lunch, i went to 6 different stores near my office (Costco, Canadian Tire, Shoppers Drug Mart, Sobeys, Safeway, and i even tried Home Depot) to see if i could purchase a replacement.....all sold out.
We don't have a single case of freaking COVID19 reported in this city yet. But here we are.
In Court today, there's a part that will keep wrapped mini chocolates like Milky Ways and Snickers in a little basket for anyone to take as they like. It was right next to this big derriere industrial sized bottle of Purell.
I'll let you guess which was empty and which was full.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?
i stopped sticking my finger in my derriere and then shaking hands. Could be an issue.
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 01:22:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 01:28:47 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 01:38:10 PM
Honest question: with the hand washing thing, how are people transmitting? Shaking hands and then touching their face? Surely there’s another way to transfer the virus?
It's still unknown how the virus transmits.
The whole "wash your hands, don't touch your face" is just good general advice for the prevention of disease. But if this virus is airborne, you can rub your hands underwater till they bleed and you're still SOL.
This is why the whole mask thing is stupid. Unless you're also wearing airtight goggles, and take the mask off, discard it, and immediately wash your hands--and the goggles, you've exposed yourself to the virus if it's been around you.
Your eyeballs are a direct line to your bloodstream. If someone sneezes around you, do you shut your eyes and cover your nose and mouth for long enough that anything riding the wave of microscopic spittle released into the air has had a chance to dissipate/die?
Honestly, an early quarantine would've been the only way to prevent the pandemic. But that's not feasible in the world of "get your lazy derriere to work" thinking. It's going to be interesting to see how (or if) this thing spurs remote accessibility going forward.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
freak. That’s the start of it. Gotta think other states and NCAA/MLB will follow suit if things get worse
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The Mariners will move home games from Seattle through the end of March following the state of Washington's decision to ban large group events in response to the coronavirus outbreak.
Seattle had been scheduled to open the season at Safeco Field with a four-game series against Texas from March 26-29, then host Minnesota in a three-game series from March 30 through April 1.
The Mariners say they are working with the commissioner's office on alternative plans.
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee on Wednesday announced a ban on all large gatherings in the three counties of the Seattle metro area through at least the end of March.
In their statement, the Mariners said: "While we hope to be back to playing baseball in Seattle as soon as possible, the health and safety of our community is the most important consideration."
The team said that it will give credits to season-ticket holders for games missed and will automatically refund single-ticket buyers that purchased tickets through the Mariners.
Other Seattle teams are also affected. The Seattle Sounders of the MLS announced Wednesday that their March 21 match against FC Dallas at CenturyLink Field has been postponed.
Teams throughout the United States are canceling or changing games. The NBA's Warriors said they will play all foreseeable home games without fans because of San Francisco's ban of gatherings of more than 1,000 people. That affects baseball's Giants as well, who said they won't play a home exhibition game against the A's on March 24 and are trying to make alternate plans.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 11, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.
Billion dollar idea: installing sinks outside bathrooms.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
Places that are not getting hit despite extensive travel from affected areas - Southern Italy, Shanghai, Florida, South America. All warm regions with high humidity.
Basically, this thing seems very flu like in its transmission tolerance - no one gets flu in the summer. The answer is for us all to freak off on vacation for a few weeks.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 01:58:09 PM
Billion dollar idea: installing sinks outside bathrooms.I'm in one of those professions where it might be best for me to wash my hands before going into the crapper.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2020, 02:37:27 PM
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.this
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 11, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
My kid is on spring break this week. His school (Boston U) just shut down in-person classes and has gone completely online until at least mid-April.
This is insane.
I'd honestly rather the take home while the info is still fresh.
I'm shocked my old law school hasn't canceled live classes and begun remote sessions.
Yeah, same for me.
I'd imagine at this point that schools are just afraid of staying open, someone there getting covid, and then suing them for staying open.
Lawsuits and such ugh.
I would rather in person. Online the freaking professors make the tests so freaking difficult it usually takes me half a day to complete the freaking things.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
People aren't consistently washing. There are lots of icky people out there for whom hygiene isn't really a thing. I'm not remotely germophobic but I haven't touched a public bathroom door with my hand for years, way too many people who don't bother washing after they handle their sweaty junk.
So it’s only from hand to hand contact or can it be transferred from an inanimate object or through the air?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 03:15:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Welp
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 03:34:03 PM
Awesome flick
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 03:55:13 PM
Airborne diseases would be things like the measles or tuberculosis. If this disease was airborne transmitted we would be royally fucked.
Droplet disease =you're on a plane and someone sneezes and anyone in the immediate area (ie where the droplets are in the area where the droplets get aerosolised) is at risk
Airborne = someone on an airplane has tuberculosis, the air on the whole plane circulates, and everyone on the entire plane is at risk for tuberculosis.
Moral of the story is airborn would be way way worse
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2020, 03:58:08 PM
Online the freaking professors make the tests so freaking difficult it usually takes me half a day to complete the freaking things.
ok boomer
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 11, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 04:37:20 PM
But I wonder what happens during the presidential campaign if this excrement is at its peak during the day of the election.
Do you suspend the presidential election? Is there bipartisan support for such a thing? Do people clamor about rampant voter suppression and corruption?
I guess it's kind of a moot point since if this shits not completely resolved long before November we're probably looking at a full blown depression and a massive killing off of the global populace. But I do wonder how this would effect an election none the less
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 04:38:28 PM
Coronavirus is not airborn its droplet/surface transmission. This is the same way the flu is transmitted.
Airborne diseases would be things like the measles or tuberculosis. If this disease was airborne transmitted we would be royally fucked.
Droplet disease =you're on a plane and someone sneezes and anyone in the immediate area (ie where the droplets are in the area where the droplets get aerosolised) is at risk
Airborne = someone on an airplane has tuberculosis, the air on the whole plane circulates, and everyone on the entire plane is at risk for tuberculosis.
Moral of the story is airborn would be way way worse
So how did 70 people at that biogen conference in mass catch cases? Sneezing into each other’s mouths?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
So how did 70 people at that biogen conference in mass catch cases? Sneezing into each other’s mouths?
Purely speculation on my behalf. But I imagine at a business conference there was a ton of shaking hands and food (likely even buffet style food sitting out all day with people grabbing at it)
I'm not speculating on the disease being droplet transmission, that's from the CDC and all those organizations but presumably it has a large dwell time and high infection rate which is why this shits spreading so much faster than most droplet transmitted diseases were familiar with
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 04:52:31 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
dcm will save us from ourselves
I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that all people freaking do at business conferences are shake hands and eat
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that all people freaking do at business conferences are shake hands and eat
Thank you for your service.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 05:55:19 PM
I mean I can't imagine this lasting that longIt is possible for this to both persist for quite a while and not kill the entire world and send the world into depression. It may end up being an annual thing just like influenza, who knows. I highly doubt this thing is completely gone anytime soon. Doesn't mean the world is going to explode.
But I wonder what happens during the presidential campaign if this excrement is at its peak during the day of the election.
Do you suspend the presidential election? Is there bipartisan support for such a thing? Do people clamor about rampant voter suppression and corruption?
I guess it's kind of a moot point since if this shits not completely resolved long before November we're probably looking at a full blown depression and a massive killing off of the global populace. But I do wonder how this would effect an election none the less
Post by: MBGreen on March 11, 2020, 06:15:32 PM
It is possible for this to both persist for quite a while and not kill the entire world and send the world into depression. It may end up being an annual thing just like influenza, who knows. I highly doubt this thing is completely gone anytime soon. Doesn't mean the world is going to explode.Just need that vaccine babbie
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
Just need that vaccine babbieThe salt from ham sammiches and BW3 wings kills all germs.
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 06:25:51 PM
Just need that vaccine babbie
Took them two years to map the SARS genome, they had this one done in ten days. I don't think the vaccine is arriving in time for the weekend, but it will be out fairly quickly (by pharma standards).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:03:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:22:42 PM
Jets announce no fans. Policy began last year.
2nd in attendance in 2019
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:34:10 PM
Lol for so many reasons at this interaction
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
https://twitter.com/joeysalads/status/1237739422138781696?s=21
Lol for so many reasons at this interaction
Why do you follow this knob?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:45:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
Gold River, CA and Salt Lake City locations are self-quarantined. Indianapolis and us have apparently been ordered to do the same by the end of next week.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
Our office is setting up "take home desks" tomorrow that will obviously allow us to work from home.
Gold River, CA and Salt Lake City locations are self-quarantined. Indianapolis, IN and us have apparently been ordered to do the same by the end of next week.
Does anyone work from home already or is this a first time/pilot system? I’m extremely curious to see what companies that don’t already have the infrastructure set up will do
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
Does anyone work from home already or is this a first time/pilot system? I’m extremely curious to see what companies that don’t already have the infrastructure set up will do
No one in sales works from home, mainly because our application is set up to generate the leads our marketing team buys in real time.
I'm assuming we'll have the same kind of set up that our IT guys have because most of them work from home (and coffee shops) a few times a week.
We're doing a test tomorrow, which is why they are setting up the take home format. Instead of a massive desktop with the dialer, we'll be working from laptops.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:03:40 PM
Wtf
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
No one in sales works from home, mainly because our application is set up to generate the leads our marketing team buys in real time.
I'm assuming we'll have the same kind of set up that our IT guys have because most of them work from home (and coffee shops) a few times a week.
We're doing a test tomorrow, which is why they are setting up the take home format. Instead of a massive desktop with the dialer, we'll be working from laptops.
Our default is a laptop that connects to a docking station with monitors and keyboard at our desk. I like it way more than the desktop days
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1237902689112952832?s=21
Wtf
“Incase you didn't know, Rudy Gobert touched everything in sight before leaving a press conference on Monday. All microphones, recorders etc. That's what's led to this fiasco and the Thunder-Jazz game being called off.
What a complete freaking moron.“
I heard about this, and if it’s true it might be the best storyline so far
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
I shouldn't need to tell you how incredibly dumb this is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
NBA season suspended
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
For the soccer bros. Think Ronaldo is on this team
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
Juventus announces defender Daniele Rugani has tested positive for the coronavirus
For the soccer bros. Think Ronaldo is on this team
Juve are in Turin, it's one of the epicenters of the lockdown. Not a huge surprise.
Like most people, he's going to feel a bit excrement for a few days and then be fine. He'll be back in training next week.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Juve are in Turin, it's one of the epicenters of the lockdown. Not a huge surprise.
Like most people, he's going to feel a bit excrement for a few days and then be fine. He'll be back in training next week.
Stop
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
Stop
Why? "Famous dude I've never heard of has it, sky is falling now!"
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 08:55:39 PM
Why? "Famous dude I've never heard of has it, sky is falling now!"
It’s a much bigger deal than you seem to think
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 09:00:44 PM
It’s a much bigger deal than you seem to think
And nothing like as serious as way too many people want to make it. The overreaction is way more of a problem than the actual virus.
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2020, 09:12:19 PM
Trump announced the suspension of all travel between Europe and the US.... but not the UK.
I shouldn't need to tell you how incredibly dumb this is.
didnt you hear about brexit, uk isnt in europe anymore
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
didnt you hear about brexit, uk isnt in europe anymore
And they have a moat, so they're all good.
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
Post by: IATA on March 11, 2020, 09:27:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
It’s a much bigger deal than you seem to think
When it's said and done the economics of it will probably kill more people than the actual disease
Unless this gets exponentially worse
Post by: Heismanberg on March 11, 2020, 09:31:45 PM
When it's said and done the economics of it will probably kill more people than the actual disease
Unless this gets exponentially worse
Can't wait for you to hang yourself because you invested everything into DUDE Wipes
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 11, 2020, 09:34:52 PM
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2020, 09:38:23 PM
Can't wait for you to hang yourself because you invested everything into DUDE Wipes
hahahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 09:38:35 PM
Can't wait for you to hang yourself because you invested everything into DUDE Wipes
Gasp
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
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In October 2018, Dude Wipes struck an endorsement deal with New York Jets running back Isaiah Crowell after Crowell celebrated a touchdown against the Cleveland Browns by pretending to wipe his behind with the football.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 09:49:50 PM
china wasnt wrong though, they said the nba would regret it
Ahahahahahahahahaha that is hilarious.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 11:09:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 11:16:14 PM
Check out the dude to his left lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 11:19:19 PM
Chet Hanks checks in, def not trying to show off his awful tattoos in a serious moment
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 11, 2020, 11:46:10 PM
there's a very high likelihood i'm going to be exposed over the next couple of weeks but i'm a pretty healthy guy and have no bad pre-existing health conditions, so i myself should be okay. i just worry about the possibility of inadvertent transmission to all of the other sick people in the hospital already
'healthy' people should be relatively okay but it's the transmission to those with lung disease or other pre-existing conditions that are at risk of tipping over very badly if exposed.
this is going to be an interesting time
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:22:59 AM
I don't want to go to a hospital or clinic it's going to be stupid.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 12:53:30 AM
DCM is just an awful, awful person.
Or could be that I'm capable of realizing that the economic impact will effect people's lives. I'm not talking about a rich billionaire losing a few hundred million. I'm talking about lower class people who will be significantly harmed by economic consequences that will have an impact on their health and access to Healthcare. Or are you too freaking stupid to realize that when Healthcare systems get overloaded that access to Healthcare will be negatively impacted, with the impact likely being most significant on lower income people. And this presumably being compounded outside of the US in impoverished nations like China where the people are basically told to eat excrement and die BEFORE this whole thing.
Not to mention when poorer people lose $$$ (which they presumably will) it will have a substantial impact on their ability to live a healthy lifestyle. Yes the disease will kill people, but more people will die because of economic changes.
Post by: reuben on March 12, 2020, 01:41:39 AM
I am laughing right now, I have all the symptoms of this thing......ugh
I don't want to go to a hospital or clinic it's going to be stupid.
Quarantine Puck before he gives it to all of us.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 05:29:21 AM
I am laughing right now, I have all the symptoms of this thing......ughTake care dude. You've dealt with worse. 'member that time in '92 when you got smallpox from that Tijuana donkey. You cured it with full body asbestos scrubs and peeling off the sores with duct tape. You got dis.
I don't want to go to a hospital or clinic it's going to be stupid.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 07:29:39 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 07:44:35 AM
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Today's good news? Italy's 1st #coronavirus patient, 38-year-old Mattia from Codogno, is out of ICU, breathing on his own and was able to speak today. His wife, 8 months pregnant, also became infected. She has fully recovered and is now out of the hospital. Godspeed. / end
Italy’s patient zero was a 38 year old physically fit man that had to spend weeks on ICU and couldn’t breathe on his own. and Now the whole country is fucked
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:32:12 AM
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FAUCI tells lawmakers that there's no way, without "cutting corners" in detrimental ways, to produce a coronavirus vaccine in less than a year to 18 months.
Anthony Fauci
Plz be wrong
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
Anthony Fauci
Plz be wrong
I think that's a little extreme.
The vaccine for H1N1 was made available after 7 months or so. And with the money and resources countries are currently pouring into research for a vaccine, i would imagine we'll have something in a reasonable amount of time....probably before the end of the year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:58:40 AM
I think that's a little extreme.
The vaccine for H1N1 was made available after 7 months or so. And with the money and resources countries are currently pouring into research for a vaccine, i would imagine we'll have something in a reasonable amount of time....probably before the end of the year.
https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1237751528502579201?s=21
Getting a coronavirus vaccine into Phase 1 of testing has occurred the fastest “that anyone has ever done literally in the history of vaccinology.” - Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIH
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
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(WTXL) — U-Haul is offering 30 days of free self-storage to students who have to move due to precautions surrounding the coronavirus outbreak.
Many colleges and universities are taking precautions to prevent the spread of COVID-19 by temporarily closing campus and sending students home.
The company says they are "standing by and ready to help" in this time of need where students may be scrambling on how to quickly move or store their belongings.
In addition to offering 30 days of free self-storage, U-Haul offers several moving options including special rates for truck and trailer rentals.
U-Haul says the minimum age to rent a truck is 18 years old with a valid driver's license.
There may be limited availability in your area, so the company is encouraging students to act quickly.
Students can visit
U-Haul's website
to find a nearby location.
Not sure if anyone besides Alio has college kids, but could be a useful resource for friends/family.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 09:53:38 AM
Woj
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
Jazz star Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus, league sources tell ESPN. Jazz players privately say that Rudy Gobert had been careless in the locker room touching other players and their belongings. Now a Jazz teammate has tested positive.
Woj
Gobert is a POS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 10:26:41 AM
Gobert is a POS
America has a excrement ton more of Rudy Goberts out there so I think this is going to get much worse before it gets better. People still aren’t taking this seriously.
I am treating everyone I interact with like they're as dumb as Rudy Gobert
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
America has a excrement ton more of Rudy Goberts out there so I think this is going to get much worse before it gets better. People still aren’t taking this seriously.
I am treating everyone I interact with like they're as dumb as Rudy Gobert
I think it's possible to take this seriously and still remain calm. And you know i have legit concerns personally regarding this excrement.
Post by: guinness77 on March 12, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
Gobert is a POSI saw a clip without any audio....was he purposely touching everything at his press conference and why was he doing that?
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 10:56:37 AM
I saw a clip without any audio....was he purposely touching everything at his press conference and why was he doing that?
yes....because he's a freaking moron
Post by: guinness77 on March 12, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
yes....because he's a freaking moronWhat’s the context? Was he trying to be funny? Did a reporter ask him if he had symptoms?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 12, 2020, 11:04:42 AM
They just canceled all the NCAA conference tournamentsThe Big East and ACC did not.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
What’s the context? Was he trying to be funny? Did a reporter ask him if he had symptoms?
I believe he was making light of the situation. Either way, it was irresponsible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
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Baseball about to suspend ST
No
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on March 12, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Thinking here is that emergency services will not be able to cope.
Panic buying has already started - supermarkets being sold out of usual staples - pasta, rice tinned food!
Batten down the hatches.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:10:10 PM
Things getting pretty scary over here. Sporting events from Monday will only being able to hold 500 spectators.
Thinking here is that emergency services will not be able to cope.
Panic buying has already started - supermarkets being sold out of usual staples - pasta, rice tinned food!
Batten down the hatches.
Be careful, you're in the over 75 metric where the disease does the most damage.
Post by: ScotlandJet on March 12, 2020, 12:14:59 PM
Be careful, you're in the over 75 metric where the disease does the most damage.
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 12:19:39 PM
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.Puck has wooden teeth like George Washington.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:21:28 PM
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.No one here cares if you shave your balls or not, forgetting BO of course.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 12:22:41 PM
Puck has wooden teeth like George Washington.
Nope I have all my chicklets save for one.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 12:27:04 PM
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2020, 01:04:19 PM
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2020, 01:05:24 PM
The NYDN cover yesterday went full snark on New Rochelle ("New Roch Hell").....NYDN then catches flak from a number of local circles.......fast forward to today when the NYDN does a 180-degree about face and disingenuously (it would seem) puts on its cover ("New Ro Strong"). I live nearby in '10583' so maybe I'm too local sensitive but...
Wu Rochelle ftw
https://talkofthesound.com/2020/03/12/op-ed-a-new-rochelle-residents-open-letter-to-the-daily-news/
Post by: MBGreen on March 12, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Be careful, you're in the over 75 metric where the disease does the most damage.
Still have all my own hair and teeth though.
perfect response
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 01:35:43 PM
RIP March Madness
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:04:11 PM
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Hear that MLB will ask players to stay at spring sites where they have access to team medical personnel, can continue to work out and will not be fanning out across the country. But players can go as they please.
Sherman
This is so weird
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2020, 03:43:48 PM
Good job NCAA, Conferences and member institutions.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 03:45:47 PM
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2020, 04:00:20 PM
Quote from: SixFeetDeep
BREAKING: My men’s hockey league suspended until April
hahaha
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2020, 04:13:15 PM
NYC public grammar and high schools still in full session though. Can't have kids without babysitters when their parents are pressured to continue to ride the MTA into a small gathering of 3 million people every day for their jobs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 04:24:37 PM
My son's martial arts school has been closed till further notice.
NYC public grammar and high schools still in full session though. Can't have kids without babysitters when their parents are pressured to continue to ride the MTA into a small gathering of 3 million people every day for their jobs.
Yikes. All of the CT schools are shutting down 1 by 1. A bunch of counties did so today, and Hartford is done starting Monday.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 04:30:01 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 05:13:05 PM
North Korea hasn’t reported any cases of Coronavirus.
Lol it won't.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 12, 2020, 06:20:21 PM
Let that sink in....
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2020, 06:30:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:53:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 08:54:41 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:55:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 08:57:24 PM
I never thought this would affect the NFL draft but after seeing the majors sports leagues responses it would be naive to think it’s not in question at this point. Could they do it electronically? Is there enough time to pull something like that off?
6 weeks away. With the fairly extreme response we're having, I think it will abate pretty quickly. My guess is that the draft will be fine.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 08:59:20 PM
6 weeks away. With the fairly extreme response we're having, I think it will abate pretty quickly. My guess is that the draft will be fine.
While things being settled in 6 weeks is very plausible
The draft could be delayed long before that
At the very least I would think it's a near certainty that fans would be excluded
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 09:01:22 PM
While things being settled in 6 weeks is very plausible
The draft could be delayed long before that
At the very least I would think it's a near certainty that fans would be excluded
Agreed. But then fans going to the draft is freaking weird anyway, so no biggie there.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
Agreed. But then fans going to the draft is freaking weird anyway, so no biggie there.
Well that wasn't really the point I was trying to make. Basically the coronavirus isn't going away in the next week or two. So the decision to suspend the draft could be made then, long before the actual draft
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
Post by: IATA on March 12, 2020, 09:31:42 PM
my wife works at a dentist, and theyre unable to get essential supplies because retards are hoarding them. they have 2 weeks worth of supplies left, and between their suppliers jacking up prices on everything(this excrement should be illegal) and people hoarding, theyre worried about not getting stuff and having to close until they can.
my own job announced wednesday that we were staying open, but would start checking into what everyone needs to work remotely and would re-evaluate once our county got its first confirmed case. 30 minutes later WHO declared it a pandemic and the first confirmed case was announced, a dr. and then today the schools closed for 2 additional weeks. so we'll see what happens tomorrow...
least theres no way tomorrow could be any worst than today, right?
Post by: IATA on March 12, 2020, 09:38:25 PM
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Disney has postponed the releases of “Mulan,” “The New Mutants” and “Antlers” out of “an abundance of caution,” Disney announced Thursday.
“As you know this has been a rapidly evolving situation and I wanted to make you aware that we are postponing the releases of ‘Mulan,’ ‘The New Mutants,’ and ‘Antlers’ out of an abundance of caution. We truly believe in the moviegoing experience, and we are looking at new potential 2020 release dates to be announced at a later date,” Disney said in a statement.
“Mulan” was supposed to hit theaters March 27, while “The New Mutants” was scheduled for an April 3 release date and “Antlers” was supposed to open April 17.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 01:40:55 AM
I'm on an oil tank that's halfway full and we have enough food for a week. I'm not an alarmist, but I'm also not getting caught completely unprepared if I'm in a situation where I need to stay in the house for an elongated period of time.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
I'm not an alarmist
Spoken like a true alarmist
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 07:11:56 AM
Post by: Pope on March 13, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 07:34:19 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 07:36:38 AM
I hope the NFL Draft goes back to the old format and they do it all in one weekend.
seconded
Post by: IATA on March 13, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 08:00:57 AM
there was a couple driving along the 401 hitting up every walmart they could and buying out all the toilet paper to fill their UHAUL truck, so they could resell it at their store in toronto at a gigantic markup.
They should be the first to die.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 08:01:15 AM
Spoken like a true alarmist
lmao its true, thats something an alarmist would say.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:07:23 AM
They should be the first to die.
Making stops at every Walmart packed with slobs is a great way to contract CV
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:08:07 AM
lmao its true, thats something an alarmist would say.
So are we sounding the alarm or not
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:12:28 AM
I worked remotely this week for this reason. By the time you hear that someone at your work has it, you’ve could have been socializing with that person or touching things that they have and then it’s too late to make that decision.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:31:57 AM
CNN loves the self own
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 08:38:18 AM
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The Republican Governor for Ohio Mike DeWine just confirmed that only 1,000 tests are available to 11.69 Million citizens who live there.
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Ohio’s devastating awakening: Ohio health official estimates 100,000 people in the state have contracted the novel coronavirus.
100,000 infected Ohioans and only 1000 tests available, according to the state’s GOP Governor Mike DeWine.
https://twitter.com/wordswithsteph/status/1238259099462184960?s=21
Missed this gem yesterday
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 08:43:46 AM
https://twitter.com/wordswithsteph/status/1238259099462184960?s=21
Missed this gem yesterday
Maybe Joe Burrow will pull the Eli after all.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 08:43:52 AM
So are we sounding the alarm or not
If I can't pick up an ounce this weekend in anticipation of staying inside for a long period of time we are.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
/Firstworld
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 09:57:06 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 13, 2020, 09:59:00 AM
Bolsanaro tested positive, let's hope it's a particularly virulent strain.
don't do that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 09:59:17 AM
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BREAKING: Spain's health ministry says number of cases of coronavirus has risen to 4,209 with 120 dead, or 1,063 new cases and 53 new deaths since midnight
This should all blow over any minute now.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 10:02:46 AM
^Source?
https://twitter.com/ghoeberx/status/1238451667223351296?s=21
They reported their first case 10 days ago.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 10:15:24 AM
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Spain's prime minister says a state of emergency will come into effect there on Saturday amid a steep rise in coronavirus deaths.
Pedro Sánchez warned that very hard weeks lay ahead but he vowed the government would do everything necessary to combat the crisis.
Earlier, the number of deaths in Spain increased by some 50% in a day to reach 120. Infections jumped to 4,200.
Mr Sanchez said the figure could top 10,000 next week.
The state of emergency in Spain allows his government to take wide-ranging measures for up to 15 days, including:
limiting the movement of people or vehicles
ordering evacuations
prohibiting access to certain areas or places
intervening in areas of industry and farming
Controls are being introduced at an increasing number of borders in Europe, in response to the coronavirus.
-BBC
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 10:37:38 AM
don't do that.
Hell yes. I'm filling my time building my list of people I most want to see getting this excrement. I warn you it's long.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ghoeberx/status/1238451667223351296?s=21
They reported their first case 10 days ago.
I think you have to look at all sorts of factors when analysis a particular country's infection and death rates, for there's no point comparing Spain to the UK because they're so wildly different in so many ways including industry, social interaction, propensity to travel etc. Big numbers in Spain don't mean "omigod it's really a deadly killer mutant space virus" any more than low numbers in Canada mean "it's really nothing more than a slightly more infectious cold". Context is everything.
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Hell yes. I'm filling my time building my list of people I most want to see getting this excrement. I warn you it's long.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnotherBlackandwhiteBorzoi-size_restricted.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Yes, exactly this. I have no idea how the US and its fucked up healthcare model will handle things. Thus far, knock on wood, Canada has implemented protocols created when we got hit hard by SARS and are handling things very well. We've got 80 cases total, every major city has separate testing and isolation facilities set up at least one main hospital. When I came back from vacation two months ago and the news from Wuhan was just breaking, there were already signs and testing processes in place at the airport for people coming in from high risk locations.
Italy was woefully unprepared and has an ageing population (third oldest in the world). Interestingly, Japan has an even older population and is handling it like a champ. I don't know what the difference is there.
This is a good resource for the latest data:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Your link here says closed cases are at 7% deaths. Just a couple weeks ago everyone was being told the mortality rate is 2-3%. Maybe people don’t actually know what’s going to happen and should stop telling everyone they know the future.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:20:28 AM
Your link here says closed cases are at 7% deaths. Just a couple weeks ago everyone was being told the mortality rate is 2-3%. Maybe people don’t actually know what’s going to happen and should stop telling everyone they know the future.
Italy is at 45%. USA is at 57%. It's definitely going to kill us all!
Oh, wait. China, where it all started and has the largest sample size, is at 5% with new cases almost non-existent (22 added yesterday compared to a total so far in excess of 80,000). What's more, as has been repeatedly told to anyone who isn't stuffing their ears with toilet roll and running around screaming, is that there are undoubtedly huge numbers of people who have it or had it and either didn't notice or were so mildly symptomatic that they never bothered reporting. Or do they not count towards mortality rates?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
Italy is at 45%. USA is at 57%. It's definitely going to kill us all!
Oh, wait. China, where it all started and has the largest sample size, is at 5% with new cases almost non-existent (22 added yesterday compared to a total so far in excess of 80,000). What's more, as has been repeatedly told to anyone who isn't stuffing their ears with toilet roll and running around screaming, is that there are undoubtedly huge numbers of people who have it or had it and either didn't notice or were so mildly symptomatic that they never bothered reporting. Or do they not count towards mortality rates?
Don’t know what those numbers are in reference to and I don’t think I indicated anywhere that it will kill us all. I’ve stated numerous times that I think if it gets bad it will be because the healthcare facilities and supplies are overwhelmed.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
Don’t know what those numbers are in reference to and I don’t think I indicated anywhere that it will kill us all. I’ve stated numerous times that I think if it gets bad it will be because the healthcare facilities and supplies are overwhelmed.
Deaths as a % of closed cases. I was just taking your weirdly cherrypicked statistic and showing it for other countries to demonstrate that it's a pretty useless number.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Deaths as a % of closed cases. I was just taking your weirdly cherrypicked statistic and showing it for other countries to demonstrate that it's a pretty useless number.
How is it cherrypicked? I thought that’s total deaths out of total closed cases?
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
How is it cherrypicked? I thought that’s total deaths out of total closed cases?
you'll be eating cheese dust through a straw if you keep plodding along with this schtick.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:51:56 AM
How is it cherrypicked? I thought that’s total deaths out of total closed cases?
It's cherrypicked because it suits your argument that this is somehow worse than you were told previously, but it's useless because it doesn't have any of the context. In fact, the extra numbers I gave you seem to add some of that context - China is further down the road and has a lower mortality rate, the US is much earlier and has a much higher mortality rate. That would suggest that death is more likely early on, which would make sense in the context of those with underlying issues being more at risk. China's numbers are by far the most useful - their 5% mortality rate of closed reported cases will likely drop further once the ongoing cases are resolved, and then factoring in the unreported cases the original mortality predictions will be pretty much spot on.
Post by: Laxin on March 13, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
Italy is at 45%. USA is at 57%. It's definitely going to kill us all!
Oh, wait. China, where it all started and has the largest sample size, is at 5% with new cases almost non-existent (22 added yesterday compared to a total so far in excess of 80,000). What's more, as has been repeatedly told to anyone who isn't stuffing their ears with toilet roll and running around screaming, is that there are undoubtedly huge numbers of people who have it or had it and either didn't notice or were so mildly symptomatic that they never bothered reporting. Or do they not count towards mortality rates?
I have two concerns about expecting China's successful response with regards to these numbers. First, can every country, especially the U.S. expect to have a similar ability to set a mandatory quarantine? Im not so sure this is enforceable, and if it isn't then the same results should not be expected. Second, is this not going to resurface in China once the quarantine is lifted and normalcy begins to reappear?
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
I have two concerns about expecting China's successful response with regards to these numbers. First, can every country, especially the U.S. expect to have a similar ability to set a mandatory quarantine? Im not so sure this is enforceable, and if it isn't then the same results should not be expected. Second, is this not going to resurface in China once the quarantine is lifted and normalcy begins to reappear?
To your first point I think that it's not really comparable, because society operates so differently. We don't tend to have such close knit family units as you see in lots of Asian countries with lots of people under the same roof rapidly infecting each other, but our patterns of behaviour are different in ways that may encourage spread. I think a behavioural scientist would be able to better answer that, but we already live a pretty isolationist existence in many ways - we talk via email and phone rather than in person, we do our shopping online, we don't even get out of our cars to buy our coffee. I think that we can limit social contact pretty easily if we put our minds to it, and in many ways already have.
On the second point I honestly don't know. I haven't heard talk of it but I don't have a strong enough knowledge of the science to answer. I do however have a friend who's an immunologist with whom I'm chatting on an ongoing basis, so I'll ask the question and let you know what he says.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 13, 2020, 01:28:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
I have two concerns about expecting China's successful response with regards to these numbers. First, can every country, especially the U.S. expect to have a similar ability to set a mandatory quarantine? Im not so sure this is enforceable, and if it isn't then the same results should not be expected. Second, is this not going to resurface in China once the quarantine is lifted and normalcy begins to reappear?
Here's a transcript straight from the chat with my immunologist friend:
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JE: assuming the quarantine works and they get that down to zero, what's to stop it popping up again once the quarantine is lifted?
D: Usually person to person spread is quite lmited
so if u have few cases u won't get many more
Coronavirus is actively under surveillance
so it's pretty effective if public healht can track it
cause u just ogtta break chains
thats why canadas approach has seemed relax
because they just breaking the chains of transmission
if they get uncontrolled chains
then you change the game plan
JE: which is what you were saying about community outbreaks?
versus imported cases?
D: Ye
So with imported cases + small trackable community outbreak
you basically try to separate them from everyone else
which is basically what we've done thus far
As of the last 48 hours, what the government is signalling is either SUPER proactive preventative measures or they really do think this is spreading in the community even if they don't have the evidence for it now
So we have 800? Public health agent/people in ontario
Their job will have to shift
we'll start caring less and less about contact tracing and finding out exactly who got it from who and isolating them
and try isolating as much of the population as possible
social distancing etc
because at that point you might as well use the 800 people or whatever ot do other more high-demand things
This is the stage the us is in
but they don't know it for sure yet
This is the stage that we are on the brink of
thanks to our good old fuckfaced friends the us
(It's probably not fair to place that much blame on them but I 100% do and I've been saying this for weeks)
italy is in that stage too
but they know it
looks like good chunks of europe believe they are on the brink of it as well too
mechanistically, it's relatively easy because we know the target to attack. In practice, we'll see if it's actually a hittable target
the first like 5 years of drug development is that first part
the second 5 years is the second part
but we've already done the first five years
and like a bajillion labs are working on this
We havea new postdoc from NYC
he has a colleague who was chinese and they have chinese gradsstudent/technician friends
apparently theyve been working like 20 hours days nonstop since end of december
doing tests, helping with lab stuff, doing coronavirus research etc
like they are going to burn out like cray
and im not exaggerating the 20 hour days
So I'm not sure if that helps you at all, but it's interesting to hear from someone who knows what he's talking about rather than trying to extrapolate from the media.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2020, 04:44:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1238566837262209026?s=19
The Buck Stops... I Don't Know... Tony?
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 04:50:23 PM
The Buck Stops... I Don't Know... Tony?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtVteemLin4
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 05:46:16 PM
On a serious note are there any countries who actually have dealt well with it? I know some are sitting pretty and dumb luck is a huge factor simply because they don't have an outbreak. But it doesn't seem like as easily solvable as people think
Hi
Post by: Jumbo on March 13, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
On a serious note are there any countries who actually have dealt well with it? I know some are sitting pretty and dumb luck is a huge factor simply because they don't have an outbreak. But it doesn't seem like as easily solvable as people think
Chinese Taipei
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 06:03:31 PM
Hi
Did Canada react particularly well? Or do they just have a really good infrastructure in place for handling medical issues. And haven't had to deal with an outbreak?
I mean it's much easier to be successful combating something thats not particularly effecting you
(and I genuinely don't know anything about the situation in Canada that's why I'm asking and not assuming)
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
Did Canada react particularly well? Or do they just have a really good infrastructure in place for handling medical issues. And haven't had to deal with an outbreak?We got hit hard by SARS in 02/03. As a result, we have protocols in place and didn't freak around implementing them. We have a big Chinese population here, the news about Wuhan started to come out while I was on vacation in mid January and by the time I landed a few days later there were signs all over Immigration saying "Have you arrived from or been to Wuhan in the last four weeks? If so follow these signs." We've been on top of this excrement from the beginning.
I mean it's much easier to be successful combating something thats not particularly effecting you
(and I genuinely don't know anything about the situation in Canada that's why I'm asking and not assuming)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2020, 07:08:08 PM
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
Antarctica came out of this squeaky clean
No they've been hit harder than anywhere.
https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram (https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2020, 08:16:06 PM
No they've been hit harder than anywhere...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200314/7639498063c00b034c5eadf3a9fabd52.gif)
https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram (https://theblast.com/c/cardi-b-corona-virus-video-antarctica-moving-photos-coronavirus-instagram)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2020, 08:36:47 PM
It wasn't the meth head (common in Austin) borderline sprinting around carrying two industrial sized containers of dish detergent
It was the grandma in line ahead of me buying over a dozen sugar free Monsters, a Truly, and a spray can of bleach.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2020, 10:47:10 PM
Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 AM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.Speak for yourself. Whole milk gang nibbas bring the heat
Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
Re: people and toilet paper
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 07:44:22 AM
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On February 20, 2020, a patient in his 30s admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) in Codogno Hospital (Lodi, Lombardy, Italy) tested positive for a new coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). He had a history of atypical pneumonia that was not responding to treatment, but he was not considered at risk for COVID-19 infection.1 The positive result was immediately reported to the Lombardy health care system and governmental offices. During the next 24 hours, the number of reported positive cases increased to 36. This situation was considered a serious development for several reasons: the patient (“patient 1”) was healthy and young; in less than 24 hours, 36 additional cases were identified, without links to patient 1 or previously identified positive cases already in the country; it was not possible to identify with certainty the source of transmission to patient 1 at the time; and, because patient 1 was in the ICU and there were already 36 cases by day 2, chances were that a cluster of unknown magnitude was present and additional spread was likely.
On February 21, an emergency task force was formed by the Government of Lombardy and local health authorities to lead the response to the outbreak. This Viewpoint provides a summary of the response of the COVID-19 Lombardy ICU network and a forecast of estimated ICU demand over the coming weeks (projected to March 20, 2020).
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In Lombardy, the precrisis total ICU capacity was approximately 720 beds (2.9% of total hospital beds at a total of 74 hospitals); these ICUs usually have 85% to 90% occupancy during the winter months.
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There was an immediate sharp increase in ICU admissions from day 1 to day 14. The increase was steady and consistent. Publicly available data indicate that ICU admissions (n = 556) represented 16% of all patients (n = 3420) who tested positive for COVID-19. As of March 7, the current total number of patients with COVID-19 occupying an ICU bed (n = 359) represents 16% of currently hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (n = 2217). All patients who appeared to have severe illness were admitted for hypoxic respiratory failure to the COVID-19 dedicated ICUs.
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Forecasting ICU Demand Over the Next 2 Weeks
During the first 3 days of the outbreak, starting from February 22, the ICU admissions were 11, 15, and 20 in the COVID-19 Lombardy ICU Network. ICU admissions have increased continuously and exponentially over the first 2 weeks. Based on data to March 7, when 556 COVID-19–positive ICU patients had been admitted to hospitals over the previous 15 days, linear and exponential models were created to estimate further ICU demand (eFigure in the Supplement).
The linear model forecasts that approximately 869 ICU admissions could occur by March 20, 2020, whereas the exponential model growth projects that approximately 14 542 ICU admissions could occur by then. Even though these projections are hypothetical and involve various assumptions, any substantial increase in the number of critically ill patients would rapidly exceed total ICU capacity, without even considering other critical admissions, such as for trauma, stroke, and other emergencies.
In practice, the health care system cannot sustain an uncontrolled outbreak, and stronger containment measures are now the only realistic option to avoid the total collapse of the ICU system. For this reason, over the last 2 weeks, clinicians have continuously advised authorities to augment the containment measures.
To our knowledge, this is the first report of the consequences of the COVID-19 outbreak on critical care capacity outside China. Despite prompt response of the local and regional ICU network, health authorities, and the government to try to contain the initial cluster, the surge in patients requiring ICU admission has been overwhelming. The proportion of ICU admissions represents 12% of the total positive cases, and 16% of all hospitalized patients. This rate is higher than what was reported from China, where only 5% of patients who tested positive for COVID-19 required ICU admission.2,4 There could be different explanations. It is possible that criteria for ICU admission were different between the countries, but this seems unlikely. Another explanation is that the Italian population is different from the Chinese population, with predisposing factors such as race, age, and comorbidities.5
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 09:39:05 AM
https://nowthisnews.com/news/70-coronavirus-patients-in-china-have-recovered
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 10:05:07 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
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US Surgeon General advises hospitals to cancel elective surgeries
He warned that every elective surgery could spread coronavirus within the facility, use up protective medical gear as public officials worry about shortages and burden a hospital workforce who "may be needed" to respond to COVID-19.
No brainer.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
Here, some good news for you:
https://nowthisnews.com/news/70-coronavirus-patients-in-china-have-recovered
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Despite the virus’ high recovery rate, several Hong Kong doctors are claiming that some recovered COVID-19 patients have reduced lung function.
Hooray!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
No brainer.Dammit, gotta cancel my penis reduction.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
Hooray!
You know what else reduces lung function? Smoking and pollution. I don't see people cowering in their homes and stockpiling toilet paper because of either of those things.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2020, 10:40:23 AM
You know what else reduces lung function? Smoking and pollution. I don't see people cowering in their homes and stockpiling toilet paper because of either of those things.
Doesn't address Bo's self admittedly tiny Asian penis.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Doesn't address Bo's self admittedly tiny Asian penis.Hey freak you man. My penis isn't asian.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
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To everyone in NYC but ESPECIALLY healthy people & people under 40 (bc from what I’m observing that’s who needs to hear this again):
PLEASE stop crowding bars, restaurants, and public spaces right now. Eat your meals at home.
If you are healthy, you could be spreading COVID.
What does “crowded” mean?
If you can’t stay 6ft away from other people, it’s too close. In general, when going outside try to stay at least 6 feet away from others as much as you possibly can.
-AOC
I almost never agree with her but this is a good tweet. I have seen way too much bullshit from millennials not concerned because “I’ll be fine if I get the virus l, I’m young and healthy”.
My 20 something cousin is in Boston right now, one of the locations with the most rapidly growing amount of cases, out celebrating St Patrick’s Day. She’ll then presumably return to NC. That’s how this thing spreads.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 12:26:20 PM
-AOC
I almost never agree with her but this is a good tweet. I have seen way too much bullshit from millennials not concerned because “I’ll be fine if I get the virus l, I’m young and healthy”.
My 20 something cousin is in Boston right now, one of the locations with the most rapidly growing amount of cases, out celebrating St Patrick’s Day. She’ll then presumably return to NC. That’s how this thing spreads.
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.
If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 12:38:11 PM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.
If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.
We’re talking about America here
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.
Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
Speak for yourself. Whole milk gang nibbas bring the heatSkim milk is even gayer than soy milk
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/drinking-bleach-will-not-prevent-coronavirus-virginia-poison-control-center-warns/
Well. Clearly it will, or at least render the virus of little consequence to the drinker, and make it highly unlikely that they would pass it on to anyone else.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/drinking-bleach-will-not-prevent-coronavirus-virginia-poison-control-center-warns/
It will have the effect of proving Darwin correct.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.
If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.
To be fair if people don't observe this and excrement goes the Italy route then far more businesses will go order.
If 2 to 4 weeks of doom is going to put you under, odds are you were going under anyway
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 04:18:50 PM
To be fair if people don't observe this and excrement goes the Italy route then far more businesses will go order.
If 2 to 4 weeks of doom is going to put you under, odds are you were going under anyway
Again, there's no reason that going to bars and restaurants while exercising sensible precautions is going to cause the US to go the way of Italy. The Italians were caught completely flatfooted and have a very old population.
As to your second point, I'm not sure you realise what a hand to mouth existence (no pun intended) many service businesses like restaurants live. For many of them they're coming to the end of the slowest season and their resources are probably at their lowest - a month without custom can easily put them under and that's not because they're badly run.
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 04:19:50 PM
If 2 to 4 weeks of doom is going to put you under, odds are you were going under anyway
You are vastly underestimating how many small business owners are two to four days of doom from going under.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
You are vastly underestimating how many small business owners are two to four days of doom from going under.
Not at all
I realize there's a ton of them
And odds are the majority were going to go under anyway
Regardless staying open during the apocalypse I don't you'll get many people coming in to buy whatever it is you're selling. The innovators are innovating (ie door to door food delivery) and the rest will perish.
Their best bet is to hope some kind of government bailout saves them and that this whole thing comes to a swift conclusion.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 04:45:41 PM
Again, there's no reason that going to bars and restaurants while exercising sensible precautions is going to cause the US to go the way of Italy. The Italians were caught completely flatfooted and have a very old population.
As to your second point, I'm not sure you realise what a hand to mouth existence (no pun intended) many service businesses like restaurants live. For many of them they're coming to the end of the slowest season and their resources are probably at their lowest - a month without custom can easily put them under and that's not because they're badly run.
The disease is insanely contagious and the only places that have had legit outbreaks that were quashed basically declared a state of law. Considering how badly the US dropped the ball on testing preparedness and diagnosis nobody even has a realistic idea of how many people have the disease.
If the US had done excrement fairly competently maybe you'd have a point. But as is essentially nobody has been tested and it's a crap shot. A week ago I agreed with you 100% on this. Now I'm thinking that while the United States is playing catchup on what it should have done a month or two ago, they need to start coming up with a contingency plan if that fails. And to me that means at least coming up with a fleshed out plan of Marshall law to keep in their back pocket.
And just for perspective the surgeons general reccomended that all elective surgeries in the country be canceled. If it's too dangerous a climate to do heart surgery or whatever people need, then you think maybe it might be a little risky to have people bar crawling and what not?
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:08:07 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a flu
It's a difficult balance, I think, between the fact that a massive and abrupt economic failure will kill far more people than the virus, and just going full Thanos with it. But in principle I agree with you.
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 05:09:00 PM
It's a difficult balance, I think, between the fact that a massive and abrupt economic failure will kill far more people than the virus, and just going full Thanos with it. But in principle I agree with you.I think we have the same stance. Take precautions yes, but to basically halt all industry is going to be ridiculous
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
The disease is insanely contagious and the only places that have had legit outbreaks that were quashed basically declared a state of law. Considering how badly the US dropped the ball on testing preparedness and diagnosis nobody even has a realistic idea of how many people have the disease.
If the US had done excrement fairly competently maybe you'd have a point. But as is essentially nobody has been tested and it's a crap shot. A week ago I agreed with you 100% on this. Now I'm thinking that while the United States is playing catchup on what it should have done a month or two ago, they need to start coming up with a contingency plan if that fails. And to me that means at least coming up with a fleshed out plan of Marshall law to keep in their back pocket.
And just for perspective the surgeons general reccomended that all elective surgeries in the country be canceled. If it's too dangerous a climate to do heart surgery or whatever people need, then you think maybe it might be a little risky to have people bar crawling and what not?
I think people are too hung up on testing. Testing is useful at the start when you're isolating chains and attempting to stop propagation, and it's useful for medical facilities to ensure that they know where it is in their building so that it's not being passed on to the many vulnerable people under their care for other things, but beyond that there's no real reason for you or I to be tested. If you're feeling sick, stay home and don't have contact with people for a couple of weeks. If you're not feeling sick, assume that the last person or thing you touched had it and wash it off before you touch another person or thing. And get on with your life.
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:14:31 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a fluIF AUNTIE ANNE'S SELLS ONE LESS PRETZEL BECAUSE OF THIS THEN THE TERRORISTS WIN
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
I think we have the same stance. Take precautions yes, but to basically halt all industry is going to be ridiculous
Yes, I think so. Terrifying amounts of the population are one missed paycheck away from being on the street, allowing this to create a huge economic crash would have an impact lasting generations. There are much bigger questions and issues to be addressed about how fucked up society is to allow the imbalance, but they're for after this is over.
Post by: Jumbo on March 14, 2020, 05:17:31 PM
IF AUNTIE ANNE'S SELLS ONE LESS PRETZEL BECAUSE OF THIS THEN THE TERRORISTS WIN
this but unironically
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:18:15 PM
Yes, I think so. Terrifying amounts of the population are one missed paycheck away from being on the street, allowing this to create a huge economic crash would have an impact lasting generations. There are much bigger questions and issues to be addressed about how fucked up society is to allow the imbalance, but they're for after this is over.
No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
this but unironically
freak pretzels anyway, stupid pointless salty bread.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:18:29 PM
No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.
By killing people?
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:19:39 PM
By killing people?That's what not addressing it does.
Post by: Pope on March 14, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:21:18 PM
That's what not addressing it does.
OK, I'm interested in hearing your plan for this. Because if it's genuinely viable, I'm 100% in support of it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 05:21:43 PM
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
OK, I'm interested in hearing your plan for this. Because if it's genuinely viable, I'm 100% in support of it.Moratorium on mortgages, rent, evictions and property taxes.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:29:44 PM
Moratorium on mortgages, rent, evictions and property taxes.
I'm down with that in principle. Doesn't fix all the problems and create some new ones, although not as significant, but I agree it's a good start.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:30:19 PM
Yes, I think so. Terrifying amounts of the population are one missed paycheck away from being on the street, allowing this to create a huge economic crash would have an impact lasting generations. There are much bigger questions and issues to be addressed about how fucked up society is to allow the imbalance, but they're for after this is over.
It sounds like the govt is going to address this one some level. How successful is TBD
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Yes because a global economic meltdown is better than a few days with a fever and a cough
The impression I've gotten. Is more people are going to die from the strain on healthcare resources than the actual disease. If the reports from China (that I don't believe) about it destroying your lungs long term are true that's one thing.
But even if this was purely just a more contagious version of the flu and nothing more, healthcare facilities just aren't equip to handle it.
People I know at major hospitals all across the country are already out of essential Healthcare supplies, and this excrement hasn't even freaking started yet.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:36:26 PM
No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.
If you wanted to say right after this is over is the perfect time to address it, I wouldn't say that's unreasonable. But right now is the absolutely most freaking idiotic time to address wealth distribution inequality etc.
The goal for now should purely be how to keep people from dying, and get this excrement to blow over
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:40:10 PM
If you wanted to say right after this is over is the perfect time to address it, I wouldn't say that's unreasonable. But right now is the absolutely most freaking idiotic time to address wealth distribution inequality etc.
The goal for now should purely be how to keep people from dying, and get this excrement to blow over
I agree with you, but Badger has some good points around protecting people's living status.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 05:42:05 PM
I agree with you, but Badger has some good points around protecting people's living status.
Those aren't to "address inequality"
Those are to stop people from going to work sick exacerbating the situation.
Yes it benefits low income/poor people the most. But it's a very short term bandaid to maintain order and the public health during one of the biggest global crisis of the modern era
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
No, now is actually the perfect time to address it.
DON'T POLITICIZE TRAGEDY #thoughtsandprayers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 06:24:18 PM
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BREAKING: Teaneck, NJ mayor urges ALL residents to self-quarantine as town deals with #coronavirus cluster - WINS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 06:27:17 PM
The impression I've gotten. Is more people are going to die from the strain on healthcare resources than the actual disease. If the reports from China (that I don't believe) about it destroying your lungs long term are true that's one thing.
But even if this was purely just a more contagious version of the flu and nothing more, healthcare facilities just aren't equip to handle it.
People I know at major hospitals all across the country are already out of essential Healthcare supplies, and this excrement hasn't even freaking started yet.
Nobody knows the long term effects of this yet so people calling this “just the flu” are complete freaking morons
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2020, 06:43:37 PM
Nobody knows the long term effects of this yet so people calling this “just the flu” are complete freaking moronsThis.
I risked it by going to a concert the last 3 days. I washed my hands and sanitized as much as possible, but it's certainly possible I picked it up.
Part of my thinking was that I would probably be holed up at home after this anyway. Work is letting us work from home. After observing other people this week in Las Vegas, I definitely don't trust other people to be smart about this (though a lot of people were trying to be smart).
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 06:51:56 PM
Nobody knows the long term effects of this yet so people calling this “just the flu” are complete freaking morons
Way, way more dangerous and deadly illnesses have swept the US and the world before and you never gave a excrement. Now you're panicking about this one? Why?
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
I’m not a big fan of the world shutting down to control the spread of a flu
influenza, 'the flu' is a virus that can potentially cause a LRTI
coronavirus is a virus that can potentially cause a LRTI
coronavirus is not 'a flu'
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
if the symptoms, complications, severity, and morbidity of the coronavirus is enough that it can cause entire healthcare systems to crash, maxing out ICUs and taxing medical personnel and supplies to oblivion, then it is something that has to be taken extremely seriously, and all precautions necessary should be taken to prevent it from getting to that level.
you guys are getting way too hung up on 'but how many people have died?'/'more people die from the flu and we don't freak out!'
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:44:49 PM
patients are going to be risk stratified based on symptoms/conditions into lower/higher risk groups and we'll run the usual sets of tests that we DO have available right now (such as rapid flus, respiratory virus panels that include testing for a large number of viruses, including coronavirus strains that are NOT covid), and if there's a positive, then there's a safe assumption that that person's symptoms are secondary to a virus that's not covid. the current sendout test for covid takes about 3 days to get back. if the prelim testing is negative, and the other symptoms and findings fit, especially if they have bilateral GGOs on chest imaging, then they'll be treated as a 'covid' patient, even if the actual diagnosis ins't 'confirmed' yet. this is how pennsylvania seems to be approaching it at the least, and i imagine most other centers will have some sort of set up that runs along those lines until more tests, faster tests are available
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 08:47:46 PM
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France
More than half of the 300 people in intensive care units in France with the new virus are under 60.
The head of the national health agency, Jerome Salomon, announced the statistic Saturday night as France saw another jump in new virus cases.
France now has confirmed 4,500 cases since January. To stem the spread, the French prime minister ordered all restaurants, cinemas and nonessential stores closed starting Sunday, a dramatic move for a country whose economy depends heavily on its global reputation for cuisine, culture and fashion.
Italy, Spain, France.
This is a trend. It is not a good trend.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 08:54:58 PM
a lot is being brought up about the lack of testing and it sucks that we don't have access to quicker methods of testing yet, but it's not going to have a big effect on the approach to treatment until a more convenient/faster test is available here
patients are going to be risk stratified based on symptoms/conditions into lower/higher risk groups and we'll run the usual sets of tests that we DO have available right now (such as rapid flus, respiratory virus panels that include testing for a large number of viruses, including coronavirus strains that are NOT covid), and if there's a positive, then there's a safe assumption that that person's symptoms are secondary to a virus that's not covid. the current sendout test for covid takes about 3 days to get back. if the prelim testing is negative, and the other symptoms and findings fit, especially if they have bilateral GGOs on chest imaging, then they'll be treated as a 'covid' patient, even if the actual diagnosis ins't 'confirmed' yet. this is how pennsylvania seems to be approaching it at the least, and i imagine most other centers will have some sort of set up that runs along those lines until more tests, faster tests are available
This matches with what I’ve been hearding. 3 days for test results is unacceptable
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 09:01:07 PM
Way, way more dangerous and deadly illnesses have swept the US and the world before and you never gave a excrement. Now you're panicking about this one? Why?
My wife falls into 2 of the health high risk category factors and also has a history of respiratory illness
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 09:50:37 PM
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1238951523201228801?s=21
Comparing us to China is outrageous
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 10:02:00 PM
Accurate state of people in America right now:
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1238951523201228801?s=21
Comparing us to China is outrageous
That dude is the freaking worst.
Post by: reuben on March 14, 2020, 10:05:07 PM
I wasn't worried before, but the prospect of a baseball bat shoved up my derriere might be a game changer.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 10:08:03 PM
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Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in cases of COVID-19. National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before. A little more than half of those new cases occurred in Lombardy, the populous northern region which has been hardest hit in Europe’s worst outbreak. Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157.
The death toll rose by 175. A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north. They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools.
If you don’t think this is an eventually possibility in the US at some point, idk what to tell you. This is currently happening elsewhere. This is in a country under complete lockdown.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 10:18:16 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 14, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
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I wasn't worried before, but the prospect of a baseball bat shoved up my derriere might be a game changer.
That's only 4% though, more worrisome is the 68% chance of getting fisted by a black man or the 14% chance of getting eaten by jaws.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 10:40:19 PM
the potential strain on healthcare resources has to be emphasized. it's not just the covid cases; if we're pushed to the brink, ALL patients at these institutions suffer. the winter time is usually the busiest times for hospitals already, and is the likeliest time that ICUs would already be close to capacity, not factoring in a pandemic
The fact that almost elective surgeries across the entire country are getting canceled is going to bog up the Healthcare system for months once this over. Depending on how long this thing goes, healthcare resources could be pretty fucked for a long time
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 10:48:01 PM
The fact that almost elective surgeries across the entire country are getting canceled is going to bog up the Healthcare system for months once this over. Depending on how long this thing goes, healthcare resources could be pretty fucked for a long time
the reason why elective surgeries are elective is that these procedures can be done on a non-urgent basis and patients are relatively healthy otherwise. you brought up cardiac surgeries before but those are usually urgent/emergent; it's their job but cardiothoracic surgeons won't crack open a patient's chest unless they absolutely have to. elective surgeries should and will be pushed back pretty easily if there is a lack of time/resources down the line. any necessary/emergent surgeries will still be taken care of by trauma or acute care surgery throughout this entire time.
i don't think the backlog of elective procedures that's going to result from all of this is something to get too worried about
Post by: Heismanberg on March 14, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
5 hour long waits at baggage claims and customs
Shoulder to shoulder crowds just marinating in coronavirus
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
the reason why elective surgeries are elective is that these procedures can be done on a non-urgent basis and patients are relatively healthy otherwise. you brought up cardiac surgeries before but those are usually urgent/emergent; it's their job but cardiothoracic surgeons won't crack open a patient's chest unless they absolutely have to. elective surgeries should and will be pushed back pretty easily if there is a lack of time/resources down the line. any necessary/emergent surgeries will still be taken care of by trauma or acute care surgery throughout this entire time.
i don't think the backlog of elective procedures that's going to result from all of this is something to get too worried about
I managed an OR for years, I work in cardiac surgery now.
Yes elective surgerys are elective and most are (fairly) healthy. But many of these problems exacerbate or spread. Urology and gynecological procedures are extremely common elective, and many deal with cancer. Sure you can put it off, increasing the risk of metastatis. With orthopedics you have the risk of patients being imobile making injuries harder to recover from (many are older) increasing the risk of dvts embolism etc.
Hernias strangulate and become emergencies.
As for cardiac. The overwhelming majority are elective. I work at a major level 1 trauma center and they're going to be canceling the majority of its cardiac surgeries.
It's a much bigger deal than you think
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 15, 2020, 12:13:52 AM
I managed an OR for years, I work in cardiac surgery now.
Yes elective surgerys are elective and most are (fairly) healthy. But many of these problems exacerbate or spread. Urology and gynecological procedures are extremely common elective, and many deal with cancer. Sure you can put it off, increasing the risk of metastatis. With orthopedics you have the risk of patients being imobile making injuries harder to recover from (many are older) increasing the risk of dvts embolism etc.
Hernias strangulate and become emergencies.
As for cardiac. The overwhelming majority are elective. I work at a major level 1 trauma center and they're going to be canceling the majority of its cardiac surgeries.
It's a much bigger deal than you think
thanks for the info
i can see the toll of having to push back some elective surgeries such as the uro/gyn procedures you mentioned but it seems that toll would be more so on the patient having to delay it and the consequences associated with that, unfortunately. i don't think a backlog of these sorts of procedures will 'spend' our healthcare resources the way the pandemic will be doing right now. if anything, having a lack of available personnel/surgeons/supplies will be entirely dependent on what the state of the pandemic is within the US. once we reach a point where elective surgeries can start again, we should be at a pretty stable point with regards to availability of personnel and supplies. sure, the OR will have a long backlog of procedures to try and get through, but i don't think it'll have the potential to break the health infrastructure of america the way the pandemic will.
regarding ortho, i guess it depends on what type of surgery you're talking about and what the institution deems as 'elective' vs urgent/emergent, but at my institution any hip fracture is of course an obvious admission and there's a pretty aggressive algorithm that's followed to get those patients to surgery within 48 hours, as the data overwhelmingly shows that geriatric patients do better when that occurs. i haven't heard of any plans of that being halted for now, and i don't imagine those will be
if a hernia strangulates and becomes an emergency, a hernia repair is no longer 'elective', and they'd be going to the OR with trauma/ACS immediately. coronavirus will not be changing that
the delay/backlog of OR procedures will of course be a bitch, but once the situation is stable enough for the ORs to start going again for elective procedures, i don't see it having the potential of breaking the system to the point that we're practicing catastrophic medicine the way the coronavirus does. i think the biggest thing that'll be affected is the actual timing of when the ORs would actually be able to start going again. in italy it's gotten so bad in some places that radiologists and pathologists, i.e non-direct care doctors, have had to be called in to do excrement they've never done before like manage vents. if surgeons have to be called in because they're the only ones left to manage some of these coronavirus patients medically, that'll be the biggest hindrance to the ORs starting back up, namely in that it's directly causing the lack of healthy/available surgical personnel.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 06:06:07 AM
That's only 4% though, more worrisome is the 68% chance of getting fisted by a black man or the 14% chance of getting eaten by jaws.You'll be happy to know you have a 5% chance of sucking a dick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:03:10 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:33:18 AM
A coronavirus cautionary tale from Italy: Don’t do what we did
Many of us were too selfish to follow suggestions to change our behavior. Now we’re in lockdown and people are needlessly dying.
ROME – “As in any war, we have to choose who to treat and who not.”
That was a headline on March 9 in Il Corriere della Sera, a leading newspaper in Italy, that informed us that hospitals in Italy’s north, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in our country, were being stretched thin and the health care system was on the brink of collapse.
An anesthesiologist at a hospital in Bergamo, one of the cities with the most cases of Covid-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, told the paper that the intensive care unit was already at capacity, and doctors were being forced to start making difficult triage decisions, admitting people who desperately need mechanical ventilation based on age, life expectancy, and other factors. Just like in wartime. The article was inexplicably placed on page 15, while the main headline on the newspaper’s front page relayed the political quarrels over the measures to curb the contagion.
The hospital in Bergamo was not the only hospital in the area dealing with a lack of capacity and rationing of care. The same day, I heard from a manager in the Lombardy health care system, among the most advanced and well-funded in Europe, that he saw anesthesiologists weeping in the hospital hallways because of the choices they are going to have to make.
In the days since, overwhelmed hospitals have set up tents as makeshift hospital wards, and cargo containers have been placed at the entrances of medical centers to sort out patients coming at an increasing pace. Some of the people who can’t get medical care are dying in their homes.
As more medical professionals started to describe similar situations on social media and in interviews, the Italian society of anesthesiologists published extraordinary new guidelines to help doctors facing ethical dilemmas, making clear that the “first come, first served” criterion that had been used among patients with the same illnesses and level of risk in ordinary times was not appropriate in dealing with the current emergency.
Until last week, the Italian public health care system had the capacity to care for everyone. Our country has universal health care, so patients aren’t turned away from hospitals here. But in a matter of days, the system was being felled by a virus that I, and many other Italians, had failed to take seriously.
The inability of the medical system to deal with the flow of patients in critical condition is not one of the problems of this complex medical emergency. It is the problem. I shouldn’t have been surprised. As a journalist, I had read, heard, and spoken to several experts explaining that the most immediate threat of Covid-19 was the hospital system becoming overwhelmed, and therefore the most pressing need was to avoid too many people getting sick at the same time, as resources are limited. (It’s what’s called “flattening the curve.”)
But that information was somehow stored in some remote interstice of my mind, covered by an incessant flow of bits and charts on the mortality rate of the elderly, political mismanagement, quarrels over under-testing and over-testing, market collapses, projections on the economic impact of the epidemic, and so on. All of this is, of course, extremely relevant — but at the same time feels totally irrelevant when lives are being lost in a situation that was preventable. As of Friday night, 1,266 people have died in Italy due to the outbreak.
So here’s my warning for the United States: It didn’t have to come to this.
We of course couldn’t stop the emergence of a previously unknown and deadly virus. But we could have mitigated the situation we are now in, in which people who could have been saved are dying. I, and too many others, could have taken a simple yet morally loaded action: We could have stayed home.
What has happened in Italy shows that less-than-urgent appeals to the public by the government to slightly change habits regarding social interactions aren’t enough when the terrible outcomes they are designed to prevent are not yet apparent; when they become evident, it’s generally too late to act. I and many other Italians just didn’t see the need to change our routines for a threat we could not see.
Italy has now been in lockdown since March 9; it took weeks after the virus first appeared here to realize that severe measures were absolutely necessary.
According to several data scientists, Italy is about 10 days ahead of Spain, Germany, and France in the epidemic progression, and 13 to 16 days ahead of the United Kingdom and the United States. That means those countries have the opportunity to take measures that today may look excessive and disproportionate, yet from the future, where I am now, are perfectly rational in order to avoid a health care system collapse. The United States has some 45,000 ICU beds, and even in a moderate outbreak scenario, some 200,000 Americans will need intensive care.
Post by: Pope on March 15, 2020, 07:34:52 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:37:13 AM
CoronaVirus only affects you if you’re a bitch
We’ll always remember you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:46:34 AM
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Doctors in China have performed the world’s first double-lung transplant on a 59-year-old coronavirus patient, according to a report.
Dr. Chen Jingyu, vice president of the Wuxi People’s Hospital in Jiangsu province, and his team performed the five-hour operation on a man who was diagnosed with COVID-19 on Jan. 26, the Global Times reported.
It took seven hours to transport the lungs from a brain-dead donor to the hospital aboard a high-speed train, the news outlet reported.
The lungs have been working well since the Saturday surgery and the patient’s vital signs were stable, Chen told the Global Times.
The man eventually tested negative for the disease, but had suffered irreversible pulmonary damage during his illness.
“The next step is to closely observe the patient, explore the perioperative management of the patient, perform anti-rejection and anti-infection follow-up treatment, and summarize the treatment experience for such advanced COVID-19 infection cases,” Chen told the outlet.
Lol only bitches need functioning lungs lol
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 07:56:38 AM
Lol only bitches need functioning lungs lol
That patient was on ECMO. If that becomes common thing for Coronavirus the worlds in for a world of hurt. But I imagine those were extraordinarly rare circumstances
Post by: insanity on March 15, 2020, 08:04:15 AM
Did Canada react particularly well? Or do they just have a really good infrastructure in place for handling medical issues.Wait, I thought they have terrible medical care that results in waiting months for care? Now all of a sudden they have really good infrastructure?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:13:42 AM
Really cool situations at DFW and O'Hare right now...
5 hour long waits at baggage claims and customs
Shoulder to shoulder crowds just marinating in coronavirus
I got the rona just looking at those pictures...
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:16:35 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:18:38 AM
Why are people capitalizing the v in coronavirus?
Put some Respek on his name
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:18:47 AM
That patient was on ECMO. If that becomes common thing for Coronavirus the worlds in for a world of hurt. But I imagine those were extraordinarly rare circumstancesI was on ECMO once. Got me high as excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Put some Respek on his nameCoRonavirUs
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:21:01 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:25:32 AM
Analysis strongly suggests that the NYC metro area has 5–10 days to quarantine the city or face dramatically overwhelmed hospitals, extremely high death rates, and a ruined economy.
The outlook for NYC and COVID-19 is bleak. The policy response is far too slow and too weak to meet the needs of the moment.
Graph in the link here predicts NYC could run out of hospital beds by the end of March in a worst case scenario
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The NYC region has between 1,200 and 3,000 open hospital beds.
This seems like not enough
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The Obvious Choice
NYC must implement more severe social distancing measures and potentially fully shut down no later than a week from now in order to avoid overwhelming its hospital system.
Think about the choices here:
The Status Quo: The governor and the mayor continue to allow the virus to spread at schools, subways, restaurants, cafes, and workplaces. This is the exact same approach Italy took at the beginning of its outbreak. Seriously take a look at this article from two and a half weeks ago when Italy only had 160 cases (vs NYC’s 500+).
“Strict emergency measures were put in place over the weekend, including a ban on public events in at least 10 municipalities, after a spike in confirmed cases in the northern regions of Lombardy and Veneto.
Italy’s Health Minister Roberto Speranza announced severe restrictions in the affected regions, which included the closure of public buildings, limited transport, and the surveillance and quarantine of individuals who may have been exposed to the virus.
“We are asking basically that everyone who has come from areas stricken by the epidemic to remain under a mandatory house stay,” Speranza said at a Saturday press conference.” — CNN, Feb 24 2020
Sound familiar? It’s the exact same thing New York is trying now. It won’t work here either.
After that fails here too, we will wind up with the Italian situation. Overflowing hospitals. Demand at two, three, five times the capacity of the hospitals’ ability to deliver care. What’s worse is that their capacity will decline as cases overflow. Their doctors and nurses will be exposed and have to be quarantined, reducing an already strained workforce. Soon after, chaos in the hospitals will lead to fear in the whole city. You will see reports of people dying in their apartments because there isn’t capacity for them in hospitals. This fear alone will shut down the city. The economy will be ruined and tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of New Yorkers will die this year. This could all start at the beginning of April, if we don’t act within the next 5–10 days.
The Better Alternative: Shut down the city this week. Close everything but grocery stores, banks, and pharmacies. Convert schools into food distribution centers. Bring in the National Guard to provide essential services like food and augment police and emergency services. Issue checks to all New Yorkers for the length of the quarantine for at least $500 per person per month. Limit travel outside of the region. Slow the growth of the virus to a crawl immediately.
We know quarantines work. It did in Italy and Wuhan. It looks like France and Spain are convinced it will work too. The economy will be wrecked, but depending on when you do it, you might keep deaths in NYC under 5,000. Many times fewer deaths than the status quo approach. And, it will cost less. The economy will rebound more quickly and trust will be maintained in the ability of the government to protect the public.
This is an easy decision. We need Gov. Andrew Cuomo to take action now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:30:31 AM
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@NYGovCuomo: What we do next will have a massive impact on the trajectory of this virus in New York.
We can only maintain public health by STAYING APART.
The decision each of makes now will impact us all tomorrow. STAY HOME.
Listen to this dumbass
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 08:56:20 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
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one person who roamed the city, went to church, and ate at a buffet while carrying the virus ended up getting more than 1,000 people infected in korea.
Patient 31 is a real bitch
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html
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Authorities are investigating links between the church in Daegu and a funeral service at the hospital, which a number of church members attended from January 31-February 2. If confirmed, it means Patient 31 could be linked to both clusters. Between Daegu and Cheongdo county, the areas account for around 80 percent of the cases in the entire country.
Authorities are still investigating how Patient 31 contracted the virus, having no recent record of overseas travel or earlier known contact with other confirmed cases
This is wild
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
My hands hurt from washing them so much. My daughter caught a stomach bug at daycare last week, so I'm washing my hands every 3 seconds. Seeing that I'm a Vet and all that entails, I already wash my hands a million times a day. Now with covid and my daughter puking, I have no skin left on my hands. I'm washing sinew at this point.
4D chess, can’t transmit the virus Via your hands if you don’t have skin
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:07:10 AM
I find it very amusing that at the grocery stores it's all the extremely unhealthy garbage sold out. All the white bread and whole milk completley gone everywhere. Tons of multigrain bread and fat free milk though.
Fat bastards don't even realize how much more likely they are to die of a heart attack or stroke than coronavirus
https://twitter.com/keeksthescammer/status/1238701578338459653?s=21
Post by: Hemi on March 15, 2020, 09:11:15 AM
Post by: Pope on March 15, 2020, 09:16:59 AM
Why are people capitalizing the v in coronavirus?Because to me Corona is one word and Virus is another word so mentally I feel I should separate them. Idk the medically correct way to spell this excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 09:24:21 AM
Idk the medically correct way to spell this excrement
It's spelled, AIDS.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:24:49 AM
So sick of these poopchute hoarders buying all the damn toilet paper. I have two rolls left.
I haven’t wiped my derriere in the past week #rationing
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 09:26:24 AM
So sick of these poopchute hoarders buying all the damn toilet paper. I have two rolls left.Go to McDonald's and steal napkins. RIP your poopchute.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 09:28:02 AM
Go to McDonald's and steal napkins. RIP your poopchute.
This is what we did post college when we ran low on supplies and someone was too lazy or forgot to get the TP. At Chipotle. Permanent poopchute structural damage
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
Wait, I thought they have terrible medical care that results in waiting months for care? Now all of a sudden they have really good infrastructure?https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-pay-attention-trump-trudeaus-coronavirus-response-is-a-lesson-in/
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 10:06:01 AM
This is what we did post college when we ran low on supplies and someone was too lazy or forgot to get the TP. At Chipotle. Permanent poopchute structural damageThe Chipotle or the napkins caused it?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
The Chipotle or the napkins caused it?
It was a vicious cycle
Post by: guinness77 on March 15, 2020, 11:11:01 AM
Hoboken, New Jersey announces daily 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew in effort to stop coronavirusLol, what’s the point of that? Who the freak is out between those hours anyway? They should make it from 8am-8pm if they want it to be affective.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 11:44:06 AM
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A minor league player in the New York Yankees system has tested positive for coronavirus, sources tell ESPN. He is the first known case in baseball. He was quarantined Friday morning after saying he was running a fever.
The Yankees player who tested positive for coronavirus was only on the minor league side of the team's facility in Tampa. Still, as we're learning about coronavirus' ability to spread, that distance alone does not necessarily protect those who are nearby from contracting it.
Passan
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2020, 12:06:22 PM
According to several data scientists, Italy is about 10 days ahead of Spain, Germany, and France in the epidemic progression, and 13 to 16 days ahead of the United Kingdom and the United States.
This is a completely meaningless statement without context. 10 days ahead how? Ahead on what scale?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
People are vastly underestimating how dumb Americans are
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
This is a completely meaningless statement without context. 10 days ahead how? Ahead on what scale?
Dude, there’s a link to the data in the article and I didn’t write it so ask the author
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
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BREAKING: Illinois Governor announced that ALL restaurants and bars will close for inside dining, starting Monday - WLSTV
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
Service industry workers are FUCKED
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
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We will be issuing an order closing all bars and restaurants in #Ohio beginning at 9:00 tonight.
Establishments can stay open for carry-out and delivery. What we can't have is people congregating and seated.
Gov Mike Dewine, Ohio
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
Moratorium on mortgages, rent, evictions and property taxes.
Need this ASAP
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
freaking heroes...
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
Wait, I thought they have terrible medical care that results in waiting months for care? Now all of a sudden they have really good infrastructure?
You do realize they are not the same thing right?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
This is a completely meaningless statement without context. 10 days ahead how? Ahead on what scale?
I'd assume they're referring to the exponential curve. As the (bulk?) of articles I've seen referenced an exponential curve to how it spreads and how people need to "flatten the curve"
Sure their language isn't scientific with the vagueness but I'm sure you can understand what they're talking about
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 04:40:34 PM
https://twitter.com/krausekraig/status/1238869768746172417?s=21
People are vastly underestimating how dumb Americans are
Dude this isn't the political thread, chill with the Bernie Bros stuff
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 15, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
Ok
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 10:55:50 PM
So his contention is George Fuckig Soros caused the Coronavirus?
Ok
While I fully agree with the sentiment that he's a freaking idiot. I also speak moron fluently so I'll translate.
The point he's attempting to make is that Soros is one of the people behind the media frenzy turning this into absolute hysteria.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
People want/deserve to die
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 11:05:31 PM
Post by: reuben on March 15, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
https://twitter.com/cashnastygaming/status/1239039704181493761?s=21
People want/deserve to die
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETH0skOXkAAqs1M?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
https://twitter.com/cashnastygaming/status/1239039704181493761?s=21
People want/deserve to die
How can I buy her dinner?
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2020, 11:58:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2020, 01:08:31 AM
While I fully agree with the sentiment that he's a freaking idiot. I also speak moron fluently so I'll translate.Literally the only times I have ever heard George Soros' name are when GOPtards are making conspiracy theories. I've voted democrat every time I've voted in my life, and I have no idea who George Soros is besides a rich GOP boogeyman.
The point he's attempting to make is that Soros is one of the people behind the media frenzy turning this into absolute hysteria.
Post by: reuben on March 16, 2020, 01:18:08 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 01:56:11 AM
Literally the only times I have ever heard George Soros' name are when GOPtards are making conspiracy theories. I've voted democrat every time I've voted in my life, and I have no idea who George Soros is besides a rich GOP boogeyman.
Kinda like the only time I hear about the Koch Brothers is from Bernie's Bros talking about how they saw how evil they are on Rachel Maddow while working on their liberal arts degrees?
I don't know why people give so much a freak about rich people donating their money. People just love to have someone to hate
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:04:48 AM
How can I buy her dinner?McDonald's has a delicious fish sandwich.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:03:10 AM
Literally the only times I have ever heard George Soros' name are when GOPtards are making conspiracy theories. I've voted democrat every time I've voted in my life, and I have no idea who George Soros is besides a rich GOP boogeyman.Lol the deep state has you brainwashed man
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:04:43 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:06:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:22:05 AM
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Bolsonaro had direct contact with at least 272 people yesterday, as he waited to take another coronavirus test by attending a protest held by supporters
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Edir Macedo, one of Brazil's most powerful evangelical bishops, billionaire businessman, and the founder of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, says coronavirus is joint conspiracy by Satan and the mainstream media to induce panic.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:27:05 AM
I just wanna point out the irony of all the kiddies out there crying about how old people are selfish and don't care about their future when it comes to global warming. And now these same young people are going out bar hopping and excrement not giving a freak about the vulnerable people they'll kill
Irony, or chickens coming home to roost? It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a generation which has continually been told "freak you, we own this world, we'll do whatever the freak we want with it and there's nothing you can do about it" now doesn't really care when the narrative becomes "hey, please make all these sacrifices to your daily life because of this illness that is medically insignificant to you but could kill significant amounts of us". Obviously that's not a conscious train of thought for most, but the willingness to behave in the interest of a particular societal group being significantly reduced when that group has proven itself to be uninterested in doing their part is fairly logical.
It isn't irony, it's cause and effect.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:29:52 AM
Keri Hilson having a normal one, check her TL
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:30:59 AM
Irony, or chickens coming home to roost? It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a generation which has continually been told "freak you, we own this world, we'll do whatever the freak we want with it and there's nothing you can do about it" now doesn't really care when the narrative becomes "hey, please make all these sacrifices to your daily life because of this illness that is medically insignificant to you but could kill significant amounts of us". Obviously that's not a conscious train of thought for most, but the willingness to behave in the interest of a particular societal group being significantly reduced when that group has proven itself to be uninterested in doing their part is fairly logical.
It isn't irony, it's cause and effect.
So they never actually cared to begin with, cool story.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:35:19 AM
So they never actually cared to begin with, cool story.
Who didn't? The milliennial generation? A generation that has continually been told that things like reasonably affordable housing, a valued career as a result of an affordable education, and later life security are all things that they are not entitled to in the way that their ancestors were are somehow bastards for not really caring if nature decides to give that generation a huge freaking kick in the teeth, and the systems that those ancestors chose to neglect in favour of greater personal wealth are not fit for purpose when they need them?
Cry me a freaking river. Society is somewhat fucked and it isn't the fault of the younger generations. Maybe we need something like this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:36:10 AM
Who didn't? The milliennial generation? A generation that has continually been told that things like reasonably affordable housing, a valued career as a result of an affordable education, and later life security are all things that they are not entitled to in the way that their ancestors were are somehow bastards for not really caring if nature decides to give that generation a huge freaking kick in the teeth, and the systems that those ancestors chose to neglect in favour of greater personal wealth are not fit for purpose when they need them?
Cry me a freaking river. Society is somewhat fucked and it isn't the fault of the younger generations. Maybe we need something like this.
freak off mate
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:41:41 AM
freak off mate
OK boomer
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:59:58 AM
Irony, or chickens coming home to roost? It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a generation which has continually been told "freak you, we own this world, we'll do whatever the freak we want with it and there's nothing you can do about it" now doesn't really care when the narrative becomes "hey, please make all these sacrifices to your daily life because of this illness that is medically insignificant to you but could kill significant amounts of us". Obviously that's not a conscious train of thought for most, but the willingness to behave in the interest of a particular societal group being significantly reduced when that group has proven itself to be uninterested in doing their part is fairly logical.
It isn't irony, it's cause and effect.
Chickens coming home to roost? Hey you were an poopchute so I don't care if my behavior kills you.
If people can't tell right from wrong, they can never take the moral high ground again.
And the reality is the majority of all age groups are going to survive this. So if they think saying freak you I don't care if I kill you won't hurt their cause. Then maybe they deserve those jobs pushing shopping carts
Plus if they kill off all the old people then whose basements are they going to stay in?
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 08:06:59 AM
Chickens coming home to roost? Hey you were an poopchute so I don't care if my behavior kills you.
If people can't tell right from wrong, they can never take the moral high ground again.
And the reality is the majority of all age groups are going to survive this. So if they think saying freak you I don't care if I kill you won't hurt their cause. Then maybe they deserve those jobs pushing shopping carts
Plus if they kill off all the old people then whose basements are they going to stay in?
You're taking that post rather too literally, I even specifically told you that it isn't a conscious train of thought.
Society is broken though, and it's not the younger generations' fault. You don't get to excrement on a generation for the entirety of their existence and then complain that they're not looking out for you when you suddenly become vulnerable despite all your hoarded wealth and power.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 08:46:34 AM
I just wanna point out the irony of all the kiddies out there crying about how old people are selfish and don't care about their future when it comes to global warming. And now these same young people are going out bar hopping and excrement not giving a freak about the vulnerable people they'll killIdiots come in all ages.
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
im all in on boomers dying
I'm not, I don't want anyone to die. I just don't think people get to complain about young people not holding up their end of the social contract when the other parties involved have spent a long time demonstrating their complete lack of interest in doing same.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:27:44 AM
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Breaking: Gov. Lamont announced Monday that he will order the closure of Connecticut restaurants and bars in an effort to slow the spread of #COVID19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:28:44 AM
I'm not, I don't want anyone to die. I just don't think people get to complain about young people not holding up their end of the social contract when the other parties involved have spent a long time demonstrating their complete lack of interest in doing same.
The people that aren’t holding up their end of the bargain aren’t just young, and they don’t give a freak about politics as much as you think. They just don’t give a excrement about anyone but themselves.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:29:55 AM
im all in on boomers dying
Yikes, I hope you don’t know any. At least you did an internet funny at the cost of being a complete piece of excrement
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2020, 09:32:28 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
The people that aren’t holding up their end of the bargain aren’t just young, and they don’t give a freak about politics as much as you think. They just don’t give a excrement about anyone but themselves.
It's impressive that you've managed to squeeze this many strawmen into such a short post. I was responding to dcm's post which was specifically about young people, and my response has freak all to do with politics. Suggest you read up on social contract theory.
Post by: IATA on March 16, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
thoughts n prayers
This is an elite post that makes the point perfectly.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
It's impressive that you've managed to squeeze this many strawmen into such a short post. I was responding to dcm's post which was specifically about young people, and my response has freak all to do with politics. Suggest you read up on social contract theory.
Dcm is wrong that it’s young people’s fault or whatever, and you’re wrong on your theory that they’re going out to spite boomers or whatever. Just pointing that out. The people out at the bars or spring break or Disneyworld care more about their own personal satisfaction/enjoyment than the well being of others. They certainly don’t know what a social contract is
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
This is an elite post that makes the point perfectly.
You don’t really have a point other than intentionally being an poopchute
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:44:01 AM
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Breaking: Gov. Lamont announced Monday that he will order the closure of Connecticut restaurants and bars in an effort to slow the spread of #COVID19
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
Dcm is wrong that it’s young people’s fault or whatever, and you’re wrong on your theory that they’re going out to spite boomers or whatever. Just pointing that out. The people out at the bars or spring break or Disneyworld care more about their own personal satisfaction/enjoyment than the well being of others. They certainly don’t know what a social contract is
Which is entirely the freaking point, they don't care about the wellbeing of others because those others have made it clear that no one has their interests at heart.
Turn it round, let's say there was a virus that represented a significant risk to 20somethings but was medically insignificant for the older generation. You think they're bringing the world to a stop to protect those at risk young people?
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:45:10 AM
You don’t really have a point other than intentionally being an poopchute
No, you just don't understand it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:45:29 AM
Which is entirely the freaking point, they don't care about the wellbeing of others because those others have made it clear that no one has their interests at heart.
Turn it round, let's say there was a virus that represented a significant risk to 20somethings but was medically insignificant for the older generation. You think they're bringing the world to a stop to protect those at risk young people?
What? Yes you freaking assclown
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
What? Yes you freaking assclown
LOL, you're either naive or ignorant. I refer you back to IATA's post and invite you to think about what he means by "thoughts and prayers".
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
LOL, you're either naive or ignorant. I refer you back to IATA's post and invite you to think about what he means by "thoughts and prayers".
Most of those young people have parents that actually care about their well being. You truly have no grip on reality.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
Most of those young people have parents that actually care about their well being. You truly have no grip on reality.
Again, I invite you to go and understand social contract theory before you keep trying to make specious arguments.
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 11:15:55 AM
things like reasonably affordable housing, a valued career as a result of an affordable education, and later life security are all things that they are not entitled to in the way that their ancestors wereUm wut?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Um wut?I agree. Maybe I took this out of context, but I'm not aware any generation being ENTITLED to affordable housing, affordable education and a valued career. They are entitled to be able to pursue it. Maybe that day will come, and it should, but that isn't current reality, at least here in the US.
Maybe we have different definitions of the word entitled.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 11:27:31 AM
Um wut?
Which bit do you disagree with?
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 11:31:03 AM
Which bit do you disagree with?Who was entitled to what?
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 11:32:09 AM
I agree. Maybe I took this out of context, but I'm not aware any generation being ENTITLED to affordable housing, affordable education and a valued career. They are entitled to be able to pursue it. Maybe that day will come, and it should, but that isn't reality.
Maybe we have different definitions of the word entitled.
It's a word that seems to be loaded differently in the US, but sure. Our parents lived in a time when buying a home was a de facto option if you had a full time job, when having a full time job was a de facto option if you had an education, when having an education didn't require you to be saddled with eyewatering levels of debt, and when retirement with a comfortable pension and your own home was the de facto end to a lifetime of working.
This generation have been sold a pup by their grandparents' and to some extent their parents' generation. I shouldn't need to link anyone to the stats on the expansion of wealth inequality over the last fifty years. It's hard to blame them for not giving much of a freak when that generation needs their help.
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
It's a word that seems to be loaded differently in the US, but sure. Our parents lived in a time when buying a home was a de facto option if you had a full time job, when having a full time job was a de facto option if you had an education, when having an education didn't require you to be saddled with eyewatering levels of debt, and when retirement with a comfortable pension and your own home was the de facto end to a lifetime of working.Ok. This is a little bit better explained than what I read earlier. No one is entitled to anything, I certainly wasn’t, older generations went through excrement I probably couldn’t comprehend and, most importantly, no one forces anyone to rack up debt going to school. Maybe Bobby and his 2.5 GPA should go to a trade school instead of going to some overpriced State College. The world will always need mechanics, Electrictrians, plumbers, etc.
This generation have been sold a pup by their grandparents' and to some extent their parents' generation. I shouldn't need to link anyone to the stats on the expansion of wealth inequality over the last fifty years. It's hard to blame them for not giving much of a freak when that generation needs their help.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
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I’ve heard that July is the earliest being discussed right now. And a real possibility of no fans for the remainder of the season.
Trevor Plouffe
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Ok. This is a little bit better explained than what I read earlier. No one is entitled to anything, I certainly wasn’t, older generations went through excrement I probably couldn’t comprehend and, most importantly, no one forces anyone to rack up debt going to school. Maybe Bobby and his 2.5 GPA should go to a trade school instead of going to some overpriced State College. The world will always need mechanics, Electrictrians, plumbers, etc.
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".
I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
Post by: guinness77 on March 16, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".This blanketing response was unnecessary. I never said I disagreed with you. I just didn’t agree with the use of the word entitlement. I’m not one of the people laughing at anything. If I had any kind of a background in engineering or electricity, I’d be in a way better way than I am now.
I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
Post by: delavan on March 16, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".food for thought
I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
suicide bombers please disregard
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1239300535003549699
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-response-canada-closing-borders-to-non-citizens.html
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2020, 01:40:23 PM
OK, but they're also the generation was told that they can be anything they want to be and the world is their oyster if they just work hard and to follow their dreams, and then when they did and came out the other end with a huge great freaking debt and sod all in the way of options we laughed at them and said "what the freak did you expect from your poncey liberal arts degree? Go and make my coffee and drive my Uber while I pull this ladder up a little more." They're the generation who went through school doing active shooter drills while the older generation on the news networks and in the halls of power said "this is terrible, really nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers".And that's why a lot of young people flocked to Bernie. Political revolution. People are pissed off. On both sides. That's a big reason Trump won the RNC nomination last year. I hate comparing Bernie to Trump because I like Bernie, but both have benefitted politically from angry voters.
I can't imagine how hard it must be to part of that generation, by comparison we had a golden era. It's not surprising to me if large amounts of them don't give much of a excrement about us and those older than us, it's more surprising that so many of them do.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
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News: Six bay area counties, including San Francisco County, are going to require people to stay in their homes except for essential needs
Order will be in place through April 7th
Other counties: Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 02:15:11 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
My job's basically like "Stay home if you want, but you're using vacation days."
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 02:28:16 PM
human testing has begun
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 02:37:13 PM
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TRUMP on the timeline on the end of the coronavirus: “People are talking about July, August, something like that. … Could be longer than that."
Cool
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
These are the people that will soon be taking up hospital beds and other people will die as a result. No need for politics or demographics to explain, this is just stupid.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 05:16:41 PM
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NEW: Netherland’s PM in historic national TV address
Aims for a 'controlled spread' of the #coronavirus.
@MarkRutte ‘a large part' of population will become infected but that that will also lead to increased immunity. No lockdown; Netherlands opts for 'herd immunity'
Post by: reuben on March 16, 2020, 05:19:42 PM
Holy excrement, it's the Redeker Plan.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
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The president of France on Monday said he was ordering people in the country to stay at home for up to 15 days because of the coronavirus outbreak.
President Emmanuel Macron said people should leave their homes only for essential duties, beginning midday Tuesday.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 05:27:52 PM
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The UK only realised "in the last few days" that attempts to "mitigate" the impact of the coronavirus pandemic would not work, and that it needed to shift to a strategy to "suppress" the outbreak, according to a report by a team of experts who have been advising the government.
The report, published by the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team on Monday night, found that the strategy previously being pursued by the government — dubbed "mitigation" and involving home isolation of suspect cases and their family members but not including restrictions on wider society — would "likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over".
The mitigation strategy "focuses on slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread — reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection", the report said, reflecting the UK strategy that was outlined last week by Boris Johnson and the chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance.
But the approach was found to be unworkable. "Our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," perhaps by as much as eight times, the report said.
In this scenario, the Imperial College team predicted as many as 250,000 deaths in Britain.
"In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days," the report explained, due to new data on likely intensive care unit demand based on the experience of Italy and Britain so far.
"We were expecting herd immunity to build. We now realise it’s not possible to cope with that," professor Azra Ghani, chair of infectious diseases epidemiology at Imperial, told journalists at a briefing on Monday night.
I feel like I’m reading the plot of the same bad movie over and over again
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:03:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:11:49 PM
The craziest part of all this is that I find myself agreeing with JE
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.
I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.Because you can’t be trusted
I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.It’s going to be much more fun fending off someone holding a pistol to my forehead for a roll of toilet paper than it will be fighting a fever for 2 days
I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
They're closing bars and restaurants as of midnight tonight in Ontario. We just went to our local for a last pint until who knows when, the staff don't know when they're getting their next paycheck. If this goes on for long the economic impact will destroy far more lives than the virus.Never try to reason with the unreasonable.
I wonder if someone can explain why everyone's having to do this isolation thing, instead of just the at risk section of the population? Why can't we have a hygienic service doing groceries and errands and excrement for those people at risk, and let the world just get sick and then move on with our lives?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:17:52 PM
It’s going to be much more fun fending off someone holding a pistol to my forehead for a roll of toilet paper than it will be fighting a fever for 2 days
Nobody cares about your well being, shithead
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:19:14 PM
No big deal
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
Never try to reason with the unreasonable.
I genuinely don't know the answer to that, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. (Actually I suspect I do but people don't like it.) I feel like at some point we're facing the age old hypothetical ethics dilemma of the driver of the car with the failed brakes having to decide between hitting the stroller or the group of elderly people. I would love to hear that there's a run off lane not being mentioned because right now we're definitely not steering towards it.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:24:15 PM
Dow Jones dropped 3000 points today after feds pulled their last move to try to pump the economy
No big deal
Actually isn't, couldn't give a excrement about the Dow. Fortune 1000 companies aren't laying people off because their stock plummeted.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:24:33 PM
I genuinely don't know the answer to that, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. (Actually I suspect I do but people don't like it.) I feel like at some point we're facing the age old hypothetical ethics dilemma of the driver of the car with the failed brakes having to decide between hitting the stroller or the group of elderly people. I would love to hear that there's a run off lane not being mentioned because right now we're definitely not steering towards it.
Your strategy the other day was ignore it and it goes away. Now you want to play God?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:25:02 PM
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:25:03 PM
Actually isn't, couldn't give a excrement about the Dow. Fortune 1000 companies aren't laying people off because their stock plummeted.What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeks
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:29:22 PM
I genuinely don't know the answer to that, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. (Actually I suspect I do but people don't like it.) I feel like at some point we're facing the age old hypothetical ethics dilemma of the driver of the car with the failed brakes having to decide between hitting the stroller or the group of elderly people. I would love to hear that there's a run off lane not being mentioned because right now we're definitely not steering towards it.No, I'm telling you to never try to reason with unreasonable people.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:31:52 PM
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeksThat only matters if you are near retirement, and if you are you shouldn't be anywhere near 100% invested in equities. Everyone else has plenty of time to recover and an excellent opportunity to buy low along the way.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeksMy toilet paper stash > your 401k
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Your strategy the other day was ignore it and it goes away. Now you want to play God?
You've done nothing but create strawmen today, would you like to link me to where I said that please?
The car dilemma is a long standing tool in ethics education. When you've finished reading social contract theory maybe move on to some wider sociology concepts, they're surprisingly interesting and important.
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
That only matters if you are near retirement, and if you are you shouldn't be anywhere near 100% invested in equities. Everyone else has plenty of time to recover and an excellent opportunity to buy low along the way.Yeah I stand to become quite wealthy because of all this in a decades time but my worry is the reactionary issues from the market crashing. We’re seeing panic buying and bank runs already, with the world shutting down I’m led to believe we’re not even close to turning the corner on this
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:36:04 PM
What do you think happened with a lot of people’s 401k’s? Retirement? Market has lost a third of its value in three weeks
Sure, but two thirds of something is still something. People are literally going from a wage to no wage now, and that's a much bigger deal. Markets will recover, people out of work and shortly after out of a home will not.
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Sure, but two thirds of something is still something. People are literally going from a wage to no wage now, and that's a much bigger deal. Markets will recover, people out of work and shortly after out of a home will not.Sorry that was implied on my part. We’re in complete agreement there.
I’m out here busting my derriere 14 to 16 hrs a day giving people work from home capability to keep their freaking livelihoods and business intact and I’m getting lectured by people laying on their couch binging the office about how it’s not safe to be outside
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Sorry that was implied on my part. We’re in complete agreement there.
I’m out here busting my derriere 14 to 16 hrs a day giving people work from home capability to keep their freaking livelihoods and business intact and I’m getting lectured by people laying on their couch binging the office about how it’s not safe to be outside
It took the flu for you and me to find a meeting of minds.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 06:45:07 PM
Yeah I stand to become quite wealthy because of all this in a decades time but my worry is the reactionary issues from the market crashing. We’re seeing panic buying and bank runs already, with the world shutting down I’m led to believe we’re not even close to turning the corner on this
Lol you are a scumbag
Keep telling people you vote Democrat though so you can maintain your moral superiority over them
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2020, 06:49:08 PM
Lol you are a scumbagYou guys have this narrative of me being a massive Republican while I’ve never voted republican in my life. Last three presidential votes were Jill Stein and Obama x2. Local and state government I generally go Democratic. I understand my off color remarks make me out to be an poopchute but anyone that knows me will vouch for me.
Keep telling people you vote Democrat though so you can maintain your moral superiority over them
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Sure, but two thirds of something is still something. People are literally going from a wage to no wage now, and that's a much bigger deal. Markets will recover, people out of work and shortly after out of a home will not.
Depends on context
If someone's been working for 20 30 40 years and they lose a 3rd or those savings
That's a much greater loss to recover from than someone losing their job as a bus boy for 3 months and is now getting government assistance
Yeah the job loss is more acutely serious, but it's also much easier/faster to recover from than a 3rd of your life's savings
Sure the market will recover but if you're 50 60 70 or 80 you're depending on that money.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:54:29 PM
Depends on contextAgain, why would a person near retirement be 100% invested in stocks? excrement like this is a prime example of why an older person shouldn't be.
If someone's been working for 20 30 40 years and they lose a 3rd or those savings
That's a much greater loss to recover from than someone losing their job as a bus boy for 3 months and is now getting government assistance
Yeah the job loss is more acutely serious, but it's also much easier/faster to recover from than a 3rd of your life's savings
Sure the market will recover but if you're 50 60 70 or 80 you're depending on that money.
If you've been working 20 years, you are in your 40s and still have plenty of time to recover.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Again, why would a person near retirement be 100% invested in stocks?
Because like 95% of Americans they never saved enoguh and are trying to catch up? Or it's better than the alternative of them being highly invested in predatory whole life insurance policies annuities etc
(that said you're completely right)
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:03:18 PM
Depends on context
If someone's been working for 20 30 40 years and they lose a 3rd or those savings
That's a much greater loss to recover from than someone losing their job as a bus boy for 3 months and is now getting government assistance
Yeah the job loss is more acutely serious, but it's also much easier/faster to recover from than a 3rd of your life's savings
Sure the market will recover but if you're 50 60 70 or 80 you're depending on that money.
Sure. I would refer you back to my point about societal issues - there are much bigger and more long term problems to address post this situation than just "the stock market took a poop and now I have to spend my retirement living on beans in a trailer". Like, for example, why is the quality of someone's retirement predicated upon the equation of
return = value + greed - fear
as determined by a bunch of self-centred millionaires and billionaires? But that is a conversation for the near future. The now conversation is about how we find the balance between old and immunocompromised people dying, and people of working age having their lives literally destroyed because we created and supported a society in which a terrifying large amount of our members live a hand to mouth existence that is one unexpected crisis away from being unsupportable. We did this and we were OK with it, and if we don't now feel utterly freaking ashamed and motivated to fix it then I don't know what to tell you.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:07:14 PM
Sure. I would refer you back to my point about societal issues - there are much bigger and more long term problems to address post this situation than just "the stock market took a poop and now I have to spend my retirement living on beans in a trailer". Like, for example, why is the quality of someone's retirement predicated upon the equation of
return = value + greed - fear
as determined by a bunch of self-centred millionaires and billionaires? But that is a conversation for the near future. The now conversation is about how we find the balance between old and immunocompromised people dying, and people of working age having their lives literally destroyed because we created and supported a society in which a terrifying large amount of our members live a hand to mouth existence that is one unexpected crisis away from being unsupportable. We did this and we were OK with it, and if we don't now feel utterly freaking ashamed and motivated to fix it then I don't know what to tell you.
Living hand to mouth isn't the issue here
Every country who is experiencing a major outbreak is being devastated by this. Both medically and economically. This isn't uniquely harming the USA because of economic inequality. Socialist, communist countries are all getting wrecked. Solving global inequality and creating a utopia isn't happening in our lifetimes
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:09:02 PM
Living hand to mouth isn't the issue here
Every country who is experiencing a major outbreak is being devastated by this. Both medically and economically. This isn't uniquely harming the USA because of economic inequality. Socialist, communist countries are all getting wrecked. Solving global inequality and creating a utopia isn't happening in our lifetimes
Congratulations on both getting the point of my post and also completely missing it.
Go answer my question in the LOL NFL thread, you might actually be useful there.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 07:32:35 PM
I know countless people my age who make 70-110k a year, and haven't put a freaking dime away for retirement. Yet have 10s of thousands in credit card debt. I don't know how that's possible, but at least the people I know making that isn't because of life hardships. It's because they're freaking idiots.
I've become much more ammendable to the government lending its teet to the ordinary people in my older age. But I'm also a staunch believer that the majority of time people are their own biggest obstacle in life
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 07:55:15 PM
The retirement thing is complicated though. Some of it is ignorance (people knowing nothing about the stock market and refusing to touch it) other is laziness.
I know countless people my age who make 70-110k a year, and haven't put a freaking dime away for retirement. Yet have 10s of thousands in credit card debt. I don't know how that's possible, but at least the people I know making that isn't because of life hardships. It's because they're freaking idiots.
I've become much more ammendable to the government lending its teet to the ordinary people in my older age. But I'm also a staunch believer that the majority of time people are their own biggest obstacle in life
I know countless people my age who make that and a lot more who haven't put a dime away for retirement. I have, but I'm still woefully underserved. I'll deal with that, it's on me.
The problem is that we have built a society in which vast swathes of the population work two or three jobs in order to cover the basic necessities. They don't have savings and it's not because they're irresponsible. This has been a huge problem for a while; in a month's time it's going to be a very different one. Badger's suggestion of widespread freezes on rent and mortgage payments and utility bills and evictions and everything else is a good start, but it doesn't fix the short term problem completely or the long term one at all.
Society is broken. In basic economic terms, the hoarding of resources is a massive inefficiency and one that, one way or the other, needs to be fixed. Better to do it in a controlled fashion, because the alternative is way worse.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 08:08:36 PM
I know countless people my age who make that and a lot more who haven't put a dime away for retirement. I have, but I'm still woefully underserved. I'll deal with that, it's on me.
The problem is that we have built a society in which vast swathes of the population work two or three jobs in order to cover the basic necessities. They don't have savings and it's not because they're irresponsible. This has been a huge problem for a while; in a month's time it's going to be a very different one. Badger's suggestion of widespread freezes on rent and mortgage payments and utility bills and evictions and everything else is a good start, but it doesn't fix the short term problem completely or the long term one at all.
Society is broken. In basic economic terms, the hoarding of resources is a massive inefficiency and one that, one way or the other, needs to be fixed. Better to do it in a controlled fashion, because the alternative is way worse.
I don't know how you can widespread freeze rent.
You're literally saying hey sure I'll help you out to someone in need. I get it. But what about the person who owns the property? Not everyone who rents out property is a billionaire slumlord
They still have their bills to pay, and they're not going away. Utility bills and some kind of government support for rent/lack of income is fine. Hell I'd support the government "stimulus" support bullshit where they effectively hand everyone x amount of cash to get by. (giving people some extra money to get through hard times)
I don't have the answers, if I did I'd make a helluva lot more money.i just know it's easy to throw out utopian ideas, and to point out how shitty things are. But harder to solve them.
Who knows, I guess in recent times I've learned we all spend way too much time arguing like a bunch of cunts. While coronavirus as a disease might not personally effect us. I hope this whole thing ends up being a wakeup call for people to stop being such miserable cunts and enjoy life. Who knows
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2020, 08:16:24 PM
I don't know how you can widespread freeze rent.
You're literally saying hey sure I'll help you out to someone in need. I get it. But what about the person who owns the property? Not everyone who rents out property is a billionaire slumlord
They still have their bills to pay, and they're not going away. Utility bills and some kind of government support for rent/lack of income is fine. Hell I'd support the government "stimulus" support bullshit where they effectively hand everyone x amount of cash to get by. (giving people some extra money to get through hard times)
I don't have the answers, if I did I'd make a helluva lot more money.i just know it's easy to throw out utopian ideas, and to point out how shitty things are. But harder to solve them.
Who knows, I guess in recent times I've learned we all spend way too much time arguing like a bunch of cunts. While coronavirus as a disease might not personally effect us. I hope this whole thing ends up being a wakeup call for people to stop being such miserable cunts and enjoy life. Who knows
You're right. It requires us literally to press a pause button the entire economy. We can tell the landlords to stop charging rent and the banks to stop charging for mortgages and the utilities to stop charging for electricity and gas, but even that doesn't work because we still need to buy consumable essentials like food and you can't tell the grocery stores to give away their product for free, and if they're getting paid then the farmers need to as well, and if they're getting paid then it's reasonable that the banks would want to ask for the repayments they owe, and now we've got a messed up two tier society that's not really functional.
Part of the answer might be UBI. I don't think it's the entire answer because for UBI to work it needs a system that doesn't just allow the housing and rental markets to add the UBI amount on to the existing rental prices and thus render it pointless. We need root and branch reform of how our society works.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
I was at a bar in LA two weeks ago and the bartender was talking with someone on how they are slow the first week of every month because people have no money because they just paid rent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
I lol’ed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:15:52 PM
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Less than a week since the NHL suspended its season because of the coronavirus pandemic, and one day after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced its advising there should be no events consisting of 50 or more people for eight weeks, it seems the NHL is approaching the situation with a more realistic timeline.
The NHL put out an edict saying "effective immediately players can opt to return home (outside of the club's home city), including outside of North America, to the extent flights are available."
Players must stay in self-quarantine until after March 27, and after that date depending on world "developments" team facilities could re-open.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 10:23:28 PM
I think UBI is a good answer for what is going on. This economy is about to be fucked. And 80% of people don't give a excrement about the stock market - they just want to be able to afford food and rent.
I was at a bar in LA two weeks ago and the bartender was talking with someone on how they are slow the first week of every month because people have no money because they just paid rent.
And after going to the bar the next few weeks they have no money at the start of the next month.
Odd how that happens
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:28:42 PM
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Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York has at least three patients and five staff members that have been diagnosed with the coronavirus. The hospital has a one-week supply of masks.
Buzzfeed News
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:32:14 PM
Sounds like fun
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 10:34:21 PM
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Only a few will suffer from Coronavirus but EVERYONE will suffer from the current Economic effect of the reaction to the Virus.
Joey Salads
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2020, 10:38:24 PM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.
If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.
Did you completely forget that take out, delivery, and gift certificates exist?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
Did you completely forget that take out, delivery, and gift certificates exist?
I can't tell if you meant this sarcastically or facetiously. But you're still talking about immense challenges with staffing, supply chains, changes in tourism/travel, expenses, changes in business model all having tremendous unpredictability.
Sure it's absolutely possible to be creative and innovative and have your business be more successful. But considering how many restaurants fail under ideal economic conditions, it's hard to call this anything other than probably the most devastating (economically) thing to ever happen to the food service industry.
Of course between interest rates and the amount of places going under. (which will be available to purchase dirt cheap and mean far less competition) I think sometime this summer might be the best time ever to open a restaurant
Post by: Miamipuck on March 16, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
You guys have this narrative of me being a massive Republican while I’ve never voted republican in my life. Last three presidential votes were Jill Stein and Obama x2. Local and state government I generally go Democratic. I understand my off color remarks make me out to be an poopchute but anyone that knows me will vouch for me.
You have been to the tailgate's, that is every single one of us here. We're all assholes here, real life not so much. Well except Heismanberg, he's an poopchute, or MBGreen, he's an poopchute too, or Bo he's an poopchute or Je, SFD, LJF, Badger, ...............nevermind
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 06:18:54 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2020, 08:07:47 AM
https://twitter.com/jwdaddy80/status/1239704150826348544?s=21
Sounds like fun
I read through that entire thread earlier this morning. As a T1D, i'm a tad nervous.
Good thing everyone is having fun at the beach in Florida.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 08:59:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
Italy's new cases and deaths dropped while recoveries increased. China closed the last of its specialist treatment centres as they no longer have the demand.
Note: Both countries are in complete lockdown
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:04:30 AM
Italy's new cases and deaths dropped while recoveries increased. China closed the last of its specialist treatment centres as they no longer have the demand.
Today might be a the day to get some major cash in the market. Things are definitely going to get worse on North America, but the lights at the end of the tunnel
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
Note: Both countries are in complete lockdown
Also note the fear is that travelers from outside China will start a second wave of the coronavirus there
Which would send Shockwaves and absolutely decimate an already crippled world economy
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 09:08:55 AM
Note: Both countries are in complete lockdown
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237544-testing-and-quarantine-stopped-coronavirus-in-china-not-lockdown/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:12:11 AM
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237544-testing-and-quarantine-stopped-coronavirus-in-china-not-lockdown/
Hopefully the US starts adequate testing soon. Sounds like some states still don’t have enough resources and are turning people away
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:13:15 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:16:34 AM
As of 4 days ago, CT had tested 95 total people, 6 positive. The Governor stopped sharing the information regarding total people tested in his daily updates since then. As far as I can tell that info has been scrubbed from the state website.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
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UPDATE as of 3PM on Thursday, March 12:
The @CTDPH State Lab has identified an additional 3 positive individuals. To date, the State Lab has tested 95 individuals: 6 positive and 89 negative.
Update from 3/16:
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🆕UPDATE: Since yesterday, 15 more #Connecticut residents tested positive for #COVID19, bringing the total positive tests in our state to 41. This includes:
- Fairfield County: 29
- Hartford County: 4
- Litchfield County: 4
- New Haven County: 4
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
https://twitter.com/govnedlamont/status/1238183484608430083?s=21
As of 4 days ago, CT had tested 95 total people, 6 positive. The Governor stopped sharing the information regarding total people tested in his daily updates since then. As far as I can tell that info has been scrubbed from the state website.
Friend of mine is in an anesthesia group there, and one of the group tested positive. So about half of their group is on mandatory quarantine now (the group is responsible for numerous hospitals)
That's all it takes is one freaking person and you lose a huge amount of people who would be the primary people intubating all these people coming down with Corona.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:21:23 AM
Friend of mine is in an anesthesia group there, and one of the group tested positive. So about half of their group is on mandatory quarantine now (the group is responsible for numerous hospitals)
That's all it takes is one freaking person and you lose a huge amount of people who would be the primary people intubating all these people coming down with Corona.
I may have read about that, it sounds like 200 health care workers are in quarantine now due to this
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2020, 09:59:28 AM
8 new positive cases in Ontario yesterday, down from 37 the day before.
good thing they shut down the pubs
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 10:00:37 AM
good thing they shut down the pubs
I already miss it and it's only been closed since midnight.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 10:10:23 AM
Did you completely forget that take out, delivery, and gift certificates exist?
How do any of these things help the bar staff and servers who are sitting at home pleading with their landlord not to kick them out because they have no income with which to pay the rent?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 10:23:51 AM
Today might be a the day to get some major cash in the market. Things are definitely going to get worse on North America, but the lights at the end of the tunnelI thought that last week. Glad it was just a thought.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 10:32:51 AM
I thought that last week. Glad it was just a thought.
I put a decent chunk in at dow 23k
Not a steal, but still a huge discount vs the dow at 30
I think everytime it goes down just gotta dig a little deeper
It's extraordinarily unlikely dow 15k is ever gonna happen. But I guess 17-18 is at least plausible
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 11:14:20 AM
I put a decent chunk in at dow 23kIt's all fine. You'll make out great either way, just the difference between great and really great. Maybe.
Not a steal, but still a huge discount vs the dow at 30
I think everytime it goes down just gotta dig a little deeper
It's extraordinarily unlikely dow 15k is ever gonna happen. But I guess 17-18 is at least plausible
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 11:14:53 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
It's all fine. You'll make out great either way, just the difference between great and really great. Maybe.
Oh I'm not killing myself over it.
I've been waiting for the dow to get under 20 to put more in, and it keeps bouncing around
Just when jt looked promising today all this fed bullshit has it up a solid chunk
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Oh I'm not killing myself over it.I'm going to make my IRA contribution for then year now. Anything else I'm just going to dollar cost average on the way down.
I've been waiting for the dow to get under 20 to put more in, and it keeps bouncing around
Just when jt looked promising today all this fed bullshit has it up a solid chunk
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 11:19:26 AM
People in the healthcare field will be affected by this just as much as sick/old people. Infectious disease specialist on the FAN said a hospital a colleague works at has run out of hand sanitizer on multiple floors, have a limited supply of masks, and have run out of PPE- they are being asked to re-use gowns
Yep on the main page of reddit was an icu nurse only wearing goggles because they're out of mask.
Sloan Kettering was in the news having jt reported they'll be out of masks sometime this week.
A big concern is how many healthcare employees are going to say freak off when their employers expect them to do shady excrement like working without proper precautions. Already short employees and suddenly going to lose more to illness and walking out
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
I'm going to make my IRA contribution for then year now. Anything else I'm just going to dollar cost average on the way down.
My plan exactly
I'm also frontloading my 403b/457b just in case the market decides to recover later in the year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 11:22:58 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 17, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Considering that I've got enough saved to ride this out for a little bit, and absolutely no leverage in terms of trying to find another job at this point, I have nothing else to do besides accept it, work within the new world for the next couple of weeks and hope against hope that this gets better. There are plenty of people who are way worse off than I.
I've already discussed with my wife the very real possibility that we need to put the house up, get off of this island and go back to Jersey.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
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A Japanese man who recovered after testing positive for coronavirus aboard the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship— caught the bug a second time at home, according to a new report.
The man, in his 70s, first tested positive for COVID-19 February 14 while on board the vessel off the coast of Yokohama, Japanese news agency NHK reported.
He was confirmed negative for the bug on March 2, and was allowed to take public transportation home from the Tokyo medical facility where he was staying to western Japan’s Mie prefecture, according to the report.
But it wasn’t long before he started to feel sick again, and developed a fever of about 102 degrees on Thursday, according to the report.
He went to the hospital Friday, and was confirmed to be infected again on Saturday.
Need Vaccine now plz
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 12:54:22 PM
Just got word from the boss. Getting moved to part-time until April, with a determination to be made at that point.
Considering that I've got enough saved to ride this out for a little bit, and absolutely no leverage in terms of trying to find another job at this point, I have nothing else to do besides accept it, work within the new world for the next couple of weeks and hope against hope that this gets better. There are plenty of people who are way worse off than I.
I've already discussed with my wife the very real possibility that we need to put the house up, get off of this island and go back to Jersey.
That blows. Sorry to hear man. At least you were somewhat prepared, even with no warning this was coming.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 12:56:41 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 17, 2020, 01:03:35 PM
That blows. Sorry to hear man. At least you were somewhat prepared, even with no warning this was coming.
Thank God my grandfather taught me the merit of a penny saved, even if it pisses my wife off at times.
She's not complaining now.
Post by: klaximilian on March 17, 2020, 01:06:31 PM
This is gonna be a long 21 days. Might as well make a to-do list of excrement I've been meaning to do.
Post by: klaximilian on March 17, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
I'll undoubtedly feel the effects of the shutdown, but I've done well over the past year that I can absorb a decent amount of time off. Just won't be making any luxury purchases this year now. Fack!
I've successfully established an online coaching platform, but that will only alleviate the loss from 1-on-1 so much. Hopefully we get past this sooner than later.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 01:21:03 PM
Hopefully the US starts adequate testing soon. Sounds like some states still don’t have enough resources and are turning people away
Unless you are Tom Hanks or a star athlete you couldn't get the coronavirus-covid-19 test if you wanted. I know of several people who have been told to quarantine yourself because we can't get you the test short of waving bags of money around. Those people have fever and other symptoms too, so it's not like they're asking for a test out of the blue.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 01:55:56 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 02:11:54 PM
Thank God my grandfather taught me the merit of a penny saved, even if it pisses my wife off at times.
She's not complaining now.
Sorry bro, I think your boss is a major bundle of sticks and the company/practice you work for similarly. Get out bro as soon as excrement normalizes and tell the why when you do. It's almost as if they're one of those fucktards buying up toilet paper and selling it for a profit. I wish you the best as a fellow Trump supporter. lol
Seriously good luck to you hopefully this is only a 2 month at best event.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 03:20:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETAJIExXsAMHtOH?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2020, 03:29:35 PM
Not 100% sure what that means but makes me sus of the accuracy
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 03:35:52 PM
*Test counts do not include full reporting from all US labs
Not 100% sure what that means but makes me sus of the accuracy
Yeah true, but double the number, heck triple it, and it's still pathetic to this point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
https://twitter.com/ikaveri/status/1239660248207589383?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ikaveri/status/1239660248207589383?s=21
Yeah, there are apparently massively reductions in pollution over parts of Italy and China as well. When we get through this bullshit there's going to be so much interesting sociological and scientific study done over evidence we'd never have had.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 03:44:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 03:47:26 PM
Earth gave us this excrement to get a break.
As one of the replies to that tweet says: maybe we're the virus and this is the Earth's vaccine.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
.@NYCMayor says the City should prepare for a “shelter in place” order. Decision expected within next 48 hours.
NEW STATEMENT FROM @NYGovCuomo OFFICE:
"Any blanket quarantine or shelter in place policy would require State action and as the Governor has said, there is no consideration of that for any locality at this time."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:57:54 PM
As one of the replies to that tweet says: maybe we're the virus and this is the Earth's vaccine.
I would feel more at peace if that was the answer instead of someone eating bat soup
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
I would feel more at peace if that was the answer instead of someone eating bat soup
Maybe bat soup is the vaccine
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
As one of the replies to that tweet says: maybe we're the virus and this is the Earth's vaccine.
I don't think there's an argument against this reply.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
I would feel more at peace if that was the answer instead of someone eating bat soup
I know that coronaviruses (viri? virii? virae?) are believed to have their origins in the bat population, but I thought that the bat soup as cause of this theory had been dispelled?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
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South Korea has aggressively tested cases of COVID-19 and won praise for its handling of the pandemic. The country's basketball league now has games scheduled at the end of this month after a 4-week long hiatus.
We fucked up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:22:01 PM
I know that coronaviruses (viri? virii? virae?) are believed to have their origins in the bat population, but I thought that the bat soup as cause of this theory had been dispelled?
I believe it has, but not sure. Never thought it was 100% credible. I think it has been traced back to the Wuhan market and I believe some of it is attributed to questionable food hygiene practices and possibly sketchy animals sold there.
The Alex Jones tier theory is that it originated from the biochem testing lab located in Wuhan.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
We fucked up
On the plus side, we get to watch Korean basketball in a couple of weeks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:25:05 PM
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The source of the coronavirus is believed to be a "wet market" in Wuhan which sold both dead and live animals including fish and birds.
Such markets pose a heightened risk of viruses jumping from animals to humans because hygiene standards are difficult to maintain if live animals are being kept and butchered on site. Typically, they are also densely packed.
The animal source of the latest outbreak has not yet been identified, but the original host is thought to be bats. Bats were not sold at the Wuhan market but may have infected live chickens or other animals sold there.
Bats are host to a wide range of zoonotic viruses including Ebola, HIV and rabies.
Telegraph UK
This fits with what I’ve been reading
Post by: reuben on March 17, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
As I've always suspected, this is all Gwyneth Paltrow's fault.
Post by: Jumbo on March 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
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If you're going to the hospital for a covid-19 test make sure you bring with you a valid form of identification along with a printout of your IMDB page and/or your Basketball Reference stats
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:13:17 PM
Kinda like the only time I hear about the Koch Brothers is from Bernie's Bros talking about how they saw how evil they are on Rachel Maddow while working on their liberal arts degrees?
People who believe in the strawman you just invented need to mainline a stranger's snot ASAP
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:16:24 PM
People who believe in the strawman you just invented need to mainline a stranger's snot ASAP
Wut
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:17:15 PM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/amazon-suspends-stock-intake-of-non-essential-good/1100-6474857/
Saw this earlier
Kind of misleading
Only applies to 3rd party vendor's
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:19:44 PM
Just got word from the boss. Getting moved to part-time until April, with a determination to be made at that point.That sucks man, I hope you make it through ok.
Considering that I've got enough saved to ride this out for a little bit, and absolutely no leverage in terms of trying to find another job at this point, I have nothing else to do besides accept it, work within the new world for the next couple of weeks and hope against hope that this gets better. There are plenty of people who are way worse off than I.
I've already discussed with my wife the very real possibility that we need to put the house up, get off of this island and go back to Jersey.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:20:46 PM
Saw this earlier
Kind of misleading
Only applies to 3rd party vendor's
I mean
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Amazon notes that it is applying this to its first-party products as well.
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:24:08 PM
WutBernie Bros don't enjoy or watch Maddow or cable news shows in general, and tend not to focus on the Koch Bro as a specific bad guy.
I know it's difficult for you to parse any beliefs to the left of Milton Friedman but there are some stark divides.
But let's try not to infect another thread with that debate.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:25:30 PM
I mean
Ah wasn't in the other article I had read
Interesting
Post by: dcm1602 on March 17, 2020, 09:26:57 PM
Bernie Bros don't enjoy or watch Maddow or cable news shows in general, and tend not to focus on the Koch Bro as a specific bad guy.
I know it's difficult for you to parse any beliefs to the left of Milton Friedman but there are some stark divides.
But let's try not to infect another thread with that debate.
I was mostly being a dick when I said it responding to over the top exaggerated language
Also I'm not nearly that conservative. I'm more anti the far left if anything
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:29:09 PM
I was mostly being a dick when I said it responding to over the top exaggerated language
Also I'm not nearly that conservative. I'm more anti the far left if anything
Bro if you’re anti-Antifa you’re literally a facist
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
I was mostly being a dick when I said it responding to over the top exaggerated language
Also I'm not nearly that conservative. I'm more anti the far left if anything
shut up and mainline some snot poopchute.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:56:45 PM
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We are at war. In France now, we cannot leave home without filling out a form, swearing on our honor and stating the urgent reason for which we must be outside. (Italy has a similar form, called an auto-certification.) To enforce this new confinement, France is deploying 100,000 police officers to make sure that people are leaving their house only for genuinely pressing needs. (Not since terrorist attacks in 2015 have so many police patrolled the streets.) At first the fine will be 38 euros, but it could go up to 135 euros. “We don’t want to punish people, but we want everyone to have a sense of responsibility,” the interior minister, Christophe Castaner, said today. Responsibility. Sacrifice. War. This is the new vocabulary in France.
People would lose their excrement if this happened here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
Orange County shut down - first one of these ive seen enforceable by law
Pretty lengthy list of what “essential activities includes”
Enforceable by fine or imprisonment.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 10:17:24 PM
https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114362
Orange County shut down - first one of these ive seen enforceable by law
Pretty lengthy list of what “essential activities includes”
Enforceable by fine or imprisonment.
Did you read it? On quick glance it basically says the same excrement that everyone has been doing regardless.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
Did you read it? On quick glance it basically says the same excrement that everyone has been doing regardless.
I think it covers more than just the bars/restaurants/etc. for example people can’t be going to the beach or playing golf I would assume
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 10:33:45 PM
I think it covers more than just the bars/restaurants/etc. for example people can’t be going to the beach or playing golf I would assume
I meant the list of work places is pretty damn long.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2020, 10:37:35 PM
Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 10:39:34 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21I'm going in
Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
I'm going inhttps://youtu.be/uvqJ1mTkEuY
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21
Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
The story about the outgoing Obama administration and the incoming Trump pandemic strategy tabletop briefing was pretty fucked up.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 12:11:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21unless I misunderstood the article
Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
Seemed like they focused on how bad it would be if we did unrealistically bad levels of nothing about it
I mean by that logic a lot of things would completely decimate the human race
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2020, 12:57:59 AM
unless I misunderstood the article
Seemed like they focused on how bad it would be if we did unrealistically bad levels of nothing about it
I mean by that logic a lot of things would completely decimate the human race
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Now, of course countries won't stand by and do nothing. So the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, this time assuming a "mitigation" strategy: all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing...
...And it does flatten the curve -- but not nearly enough. The death rate from the disease is cut in half, but it still kills 1.1 million Americans all by itself. The peak need for ventilators falls by two-thirds, but it still exceeds the number of ventilators in the US by 8 times.
(https://i.imgur.com/oH4xsa2.png)
We are super duper behind in testing and therefore very far behind in quarantining the infected. Gotta get those tests out to folks other than basketball players ASAP.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2020, 01:51:34 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 18, 2020, 05:23:54 AM
http://m.nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 05:48:22 AM
I was also thinking how hilarious mandatory testing ala South Korea would be here and how many people would complain or refuse to comply because Americans are difficult assholes
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So there is a runaway coronavirus patient in Newark. Mayor Baraka says woman tested positive for COVID-19 but did not give her real name/address. Now officials are looking for her and want her to come forward for treatment. "You are putting others at risk," he says
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
“Lakers to be be tested Wednesday”
Rich privilege
Post by: Pope on March 18, 2020, 07:37:12 AM
freak me as if the supermarket shelves aren’t barren enough
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 08:19:21 AM
Interesting article definitely worth the read :
http://m.nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab
That is an excellent piece.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 08:23:18 AM
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Are there any signs that this coronavirus will kill itself?
This one has a lower pathogenicity. The lower its virulence, the more likely it’ll become part of an endemic, part of a seasonal event. That’s one of the big things that’s going to be a worry. If it does go quiet over the summer months, then the question’s going to be, “Is it still infecting people?” We could be walking around in the middle of summer with influenza viruses, but they’re not active. They’ve just gone quiet. When the right ecology comes into play, it starts getting cold, and damp, then it starts replicating like crazy. If it’s able to park itself, and not kill its host over the summer months, then we’ve got a virus that has all the telltale signatures of establishing itself as part of our normative landscape, much to our detriment.
Cripes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 08:44:18 AM
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WASHINGTON — A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic “will last 18 months or longer” and could include “multiple waves,” resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nation’s health care system.
The 100-page plan, dated Friday, the same day President Trump declared a national emergency, laid out a grim prognosis for the spread of the virus and outlined a response that would activate agencies across the government and potentially employ special presidential powers to mobilize the private sector.
Among the “additional key federal decisions” listed among the options for Mr. Trump was invoking the Defense Production Act of 1950, a Korean War-era law that authorizes a president to take extraordinary action to force American industry to ramp up production of critical equipment and supplies such as ventilators, respirators and protective gear for health care workers.
“Shortages of products may occur, impacting health care, emergency services, and other elements of critical infrastructure,” the plan warned. “This includes potentially critical shortages of diagnostics, medical supplies (including PPE and pharmaceuticals), and staffing in some locations.” P.P.E. refers to personal protective equipment.
The plan continued: “State and local governments, as well as critical infrastructure and communications channels, will be stressed and potentially less reliable. These stresses may also increase the challenges of getting updated messages and coordinating guidance to these jurisdictions directly.”
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.
He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.
I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.
The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.
He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.
He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.
I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.
The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?
There's no good reason for this kind of thing. Can't really add on to this without going off on a tangent which I know you're all probably tired of.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.
He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.
He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.
I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.
The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?
What absolute horseshit.
Post by: guinness77 on March 18, 2020, 09:26:47 AM
Interesting article definitely worth the read :“You know that old saw that if you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will leap out. But if you take that same frog and put it in a pot of ambient water and slowly crank up the temperature, it will stay in that water and boil to death. It loses perspective on the changing environment around it. We’re that frog in the ambient water. We’re oblivious to the conditions that have enabled zoonotic viruses to become integrated into us.”
http://m.nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Frightening and direct answers that really neither surprise me or strike me as people should be exercising common sense.
That’s a Q&A every official in the world should read.
Post by: guinness77 on March 18, 2020, 09:28:56 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 09:47:09 AM
Wonder when we say freak it and just let it spread like the Netherlands. I guess we'd just sacrifice old and sick people for the economy. If Trump was 35 we'd have already done that.
Maybe we should stop running 80 year old people for President
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
Maybe we should stop running 80 year old people for PresidentNaaa
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2020, 10:13:28 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 18, 2020, 10:33:32 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Navy mobilized the USS Comfort and USS Mercy to assist areas that don’t have adequate testing capabilities.Lol, good call. USS Comfort coming to NY.
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 10:39:06 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
Waiving the one-week waiting period to receive benefits;
Allowing applicants to file for benefits if they are subject to reduced hours as well as laid off;
Removing the requirement that recipients have to look for work during the benefits period.
- Employers wont be responsible for benefits paid due to the coronavirus.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 18, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.
He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.
He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.
I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.
The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?
Breathe on his stuff.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 10:50:04 AM
I’m not getting off anytime soon either Alio, so, see you in hell, lover of the older lady!
Gonna be fun!
We can wear "I gave my life to my unimportant job and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" tees together.
There better be whiskey.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 10:52:34 AM
So basically, my entire group will just freak right off and stay home, and I'll just keep exposing myself to this excrement.
freak everything.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 10:56:48 AM
I just spoke with him again. His suggestion was to have the staff work remotely and whoever can come in, come in, as long as there is staff in the office.Sounds like you have a cough and should stay home.
So basically, my entire group will just freak right off and stay home, and I'll just keep exposing myself to this excrement.
freak everything.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
Sounds like you have a cough and should stay home.
Unfortunately, I see the value of having a job when this whole thing is over, while other members of my group are like "Whatevs mothafukka!!!"
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 11:05:06 AM
I keep seeing posts on Twitter and Reddit of companies putting their employees on “zero hour schedules”.
Zero hour contracts have been a thing in the UK for a few years, they're basically a way of fudging the unemployment figures and avoiding paying benefits. They're a disgrace.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
Zero hour contracts have been a thing in the UK for a few years, they're basically a way of fudging the unemployment figures and avoiding paying benefits. They're a disgrace.
They were a thing at least in retail for a long time during the tailspin of 08-09. Didn't want to lose the ability to have competent staff in the store, didn't want to guarantee people any sort of minimal hours.
Shame too, I had the best gig at the old Armani Exchange in the Short Hills mall. I was also a lot skinnier when I was in college, had it been now they'd have stuck my fat derriere in the back to do stock work.
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2020, 11:46:27 AM
I'm at work right now. I just got off the phone with my boss' boss, who reports directly to the president of the company.
He's home. So is everyone on the executive level.
He spoke to the executives yesterday "briefly" and "nothing has changed" in terms of us still coming into the office.
I work at a freaking property management company. We manage freaking apartment communities. I'm a freaking programmer who can literally work from anywhere with an internet connection.
The rich see everyone else as cattle. I wonder if they realize the coronavirus DGAF how much wealth they own?
I would type up my resume after this excrement is over if I were you....freak that company.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
I would type up my resume after this excrement is over if I were you....freak that company.
Just pretty important to make sure you have some kind of unique skill or training that makes you a valuable commodity. Because there's gonna be a hefty chunk of people looking for jobs after this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
Just pretty important to make sure you have some kind of unique skill or training that makes you a valuable commodity. Because there's gonna be a hefty chunk of people looking for jobs after this
Shouldn’t you be setting up tents instead of shitposting
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
Just pretty important to make sure you have some kind of unique skill or training that makes you a valuable commodity. Because there's gonna be a hefty chunk of people looking for jobs after this
Tech is nothing but a master of disaster capitalism and with it now being abundantly clear that organisations which failed to heed our DR/BC message over the last few years are the ones struggling, I expect a significant wave of tech spending as soon as things ease as organisations scramble to get away from legacy platforms, clunky VPNs and localised data centers.
Internally, the tech industry is finally figuring out that farming out code work to Indian chop shops is a false economy given the attendant cost of debug, integration and support along with an increasing focus on effective devops, and with this current situation only likely to increase the focus on national economic activity I think that experienced programmers and coders are going to be in plenty of demand in North America over the next while.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 12:29:27 PM
I wish I could spend the next month setting up tents
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696?s=21
Best not to read this thread first thing in the morning or before bed, too late for me
Big Geezy throwing water on this noise in an AMA
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thisisbillgates
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Fortunately it appears the parameters used in that model were too negative. The experience in China is the most critical data we have. They did their "shut down" and were able to reduce the number of cases. They are testing widely so they see rebounds immediately and so far there have not been a lot. They avoided widespread infection. The Imperial model does not match this experience. Models are only as good as the assumptions put into them. People are working on models that match what we are seeing more closely and they will become a key tool. A group called Institute for Disease Modeling that I fund is one of the groups working with others on this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 01:27:59 PM
Big Geezy throwing water on this noise in an AMA
Is it valid to compare China’s lockdown and testing measures to ours? I agree with what he says about the assumptions on the model otherwise
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
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BREAKING: President Trump says he is invoking the Defense Production Act to mobilize US private production capacity to combat the coronavirus outbreak; HUD "suspending all foreclosures and evictions until the end of April." - NBC News
Post by: reuben on March 18, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
Is it valid to compare China’s lockdown and testing measures to ours?
I wouldn't think so. I think we're going to feel the hurt on this one much more than China because of our sheer hubris and lackadaisical response to this point but not to the tune of a million dead.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
I wouldn't think so. I think we're going to feel the hurt on this one much more than China because of our sheer hubris and lackadaisical response to this point but not to the tune of a million dead.
I think the fact that in China the people have to worry about the government killing them more than the disease is a huge advantage to containing it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 01:53:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
I wouldn't think so. I think we're going to feel the hurt on this one much more than China because of our sheer hubris and lackadaisical response to this point but not to the tune of a million dead.
https://twitter.com/augustsimien/status/1239315758984966144?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 02:08:19 PM
https://twitter.com/augustsimien/status/1239315758984966144?s=21
They are keeping the requisite three feet between themselves. All good.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 18, 2020, 02:10:58 PM
They are keeping the requisite three feet between themselves. All good.
did the government release a requisite for being gay that i missed
not talking about you, the dudes in the vid
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
They are keeping the requisite three feet between themselves. All good.
CDC recommends 6ft (sup) and I have reported them to the proper authorities along with UF Chad
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 02:13:01 PM
did the government release a requisite for being gay that i missed
not talking about you, the dudes in the vid
Yeah, it was this: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/opinion-rich-lowry-obamacare-affordable-care-act-pajama-boy-an-insufferable-man-child-101304
How have you been holding up during all of this?
Post by: Johnny English on March 18, 2020, 02:13:29 PM
did the government release a requisite for being gay that i missed
not talking about you, the dudes in the vid
They're kids having fun at Spring Break, there's nothing wrong with dancing. Girls love a guy who can dance.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 02:32:13 PM
They're kids having fun at Spring Break, there's nothing wrong with dancing. Girls love a guy who can dance.
Dance it up, it’s not like I wanted to watch Baseball or Football this year
Post by: Pope on March 18, 2020, 05:02:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
News is that people who are fat cocks are immune so I’m not worried
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 05:16:56 PM
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 05:17:23 PM
News is that people who suck fat cocks are immune so I’m not worried
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
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Italian authorities have pressed charges against more than 40,000 people for violating the lockdown imposed to contain the coronavirus, according to figures from the interior ministry.
While millions of Italians have been staying at home since 9 March, when the prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, imposed a national quarantine, a minority of the population have violated rules requiring citizens to venture out only if strictly necessary, such as for work, health-related reasons or grocery shopping.
Italy reported its biggest daily rise in deaths on Wednesday, with 475 new fatalities. The country now has 35,713 cases – approaching half the total for China, which stands at 81,102.
Police stopped and checked 700,000 citizens between 11 and 17 March, 43,000 of whom were found to have violated the decree, which also ordered the closing of shops, bars, restaurants, gyms and swimming pools.
One of the most serious cases happened in Sciacca, Sicily, when a man who had tested positive for Covid-19 was discovered by police while out shopping, despite the strict order to self-isolate at home. Prosecutors opened an investigation and accused the man of “aiding the epidemic”. If convicted, he could face up to 12 years in prison.
On 10 March a 30-year-old man was stopped by the police in Turin at 2.30am while soliciting a sex worker.
Police near Venice pressed charges against a priest because he was officiating at a funeral. Another priest was reported for the same reason in Torre Annunziata in Campania, together with relatives of the deceased. Funeral services are banned under the decree.
The prosecutor’s office in Aosta, in north-west Italy, opened an investigation against a man for “aggravated attempt to spread the epidemic” because he had not informed his doctors of suspected coronavirus symptoms before undergoing plastic surgery on his nose. The man subsequently tested positive for Covid-19.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
I know there's a thread for this but I've had wine and can't find it. Pisses me off I can't remember.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 07:49:47 PM
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 10:09:39 PM
This virus is going to deeply affect the daisy dukes and titty shirts that come out with early warm weather. I hope the government is prepared to address this important issue.Tit Monday isn't for another month in NYC anyway, usually.
I know there's a thread for this but I've had wine and can't find it. Pisses me off I can't remember.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
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For the first time since the novel coronavirus outbreak began late last year, China has reported no new local infections
Great news. Wuhan has been under lockdown since Jan 23, 2020.
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The country reported 34 new cases of coronavirus yesterday -- all imported from overseas.
The milestone represents a turnaround for the Chinese government. Just last month, mainland China was reporting thousands of cases per day, and was considered the most high-risk infection area in the world.
Now, after months of lockdowns and travel restrictions affecting hundreds of millions of citizens, strict home quarantines, and an unprecedented nationwide effort, the country is down to zero reported new locally transmitted cases.
Instead, the threat is now coming from overseas. The number of cases and deaths outside China have exploded in the past two weeks, with the pandemic hitting the US and Europe particularly hard.
If China is any model to go by, these countries could have months to go before reaching zero new local transmissions.
Places like mainland China and Hong Kong are now bracing for a potential second wave of infections, as people return from overseas, bringing the virus with them.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2020, 11:34:23 PM
Question is whether it's going to rubber band once Italy turns the corner or if it'll wait for the US to do the same
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 12:09:38 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 12:47:01 AM
There are going to be so many businesses that close because of this. I don't think a lot of people realize that. The service industry is in the process of getting destroyed, which will hurt so many people.
I think the next 3 months is going to annihilate people on the restaurant industry most of all. Many will go out of business and not much can save them. On the flip side this is one of the rare occasions where Americans being gluttonous fat fucks is a good thing. As as soon as this let's up they'll be rushing out in mass like they've been starved to death.
I think the travel/tourism industry is going to get raped thoguh and take a really really long time to bounce back.
Other than the timing of this being good that it just missed flu season. I think it'll be a huge blessing that tax returns are right around the corner for many. And this happened early enoguh that people haven't spent them on stupid excrement. Getting that many will be lfie changing for many
(and I'm sure the government will either waive or delay money owed for many others)
Edit turns out the average tax return is expected to be 2900
And the IRS will delay any payments due by 3 months
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 02:23:29 AM
Drive thru strip shows and hand sanitizer wrestling. Heroes.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 07:28:12 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.
While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.
The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.
And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2020, 08:36:48 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21
(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.
While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.
The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.
And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.
Sooo...we should avoid going to the pub?
#asking4aFriend
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 08:37:17 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21
(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.
While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.
The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.
And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.
Could have sworn I read something on the same subject suggesting the people 20 to 44 was something like or higher than that 20% figure
May have been this quote I was thinking of
In fact, nearly 40% of U.S. coronavirus patients sick enough to be admitted were aged 20-54, based on the study of the first 2,500 cases in the U.S.
(and yes I realize it's the same data just framed differently)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 09:05:53 AM
Post by: Jumbo on March 19, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle. Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.
Definitely more idiots who think they're immune because they're not 85
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 09:09:13 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle. Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.
The % of people admitted to the ICU suggest that could be the case. However their sample size was stupid small, so I wouldn't extrapolate anything from that data
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 09:09:32 AM
I wonder if its a function of more younger people getting the virus because of their lifestyle. Therefore, if more people in that age group get the virus, larger number of that age group will be hospitalized just from numbers.
Younger people are far more likely to be working in jobs such as retail and hospitality that involve dealing with large amounts of the public, and they're far less likely to be in a financial position to simply stay home, so I make you right.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:10:01 AM
Definitely more idiots who think they're immune because they're not 85
“I’m not gonna die so who cares if I get it” to own the boomers
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 09:39:09 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
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Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said he will extend a nationwide lockdown that is weighing on the economy, as coronavirus cases continue to climb in Europe’s worst outbreak with the number of deaths reaching almost 3,000.
The government will maintain its closure of virtually all retailers except for grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations beyond the original March 25 deadline, the premier said in an interview with Corriere della Sera. Schools, which had been scheduled to reopen April 3, will stay closed longer than originally planned.
“We managed to avoid the collapse of the system and the measures are working,” so they will be extended, Conte said. The government is working on a new decree to allow for billions of euros of public investments.
Italy has the world’s second-highest number of diagnosed cases, with more than 35,000 known infections. The government has approved a 25 billion-euro package ($27 billion) to support its strained health system while helping businesses and families counter the economic impact of the lockdown.
The government is now considering tightening the existing restrictions amid concern that many Italians are not respecting rules that confine them to their homes except for reasons related to work, health or emergencies.
“I want to appeal to the sense of responsibility of all citizens,” Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese told daily la Repubblica. “Stay at home, go out only if there is a strict necessity to do so.”
Italian police performed checks on more than 1 million people between March 11 and March 17, Lamorgese said, citing almost 50,000 for failing to respect the rules. Possible new regulations that could be enacted by March 25 include banning all outdoor sports activities, limiting citizens’ rights to go out for walks and closing grocery stores for all or part of the day on Sundays, Repubblica said.
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2020, 09:58:39 AM
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 11:19:47 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1240616345861062656?s=21Up to 20% of people hospitalized encompass an age group spanning 25 years and are the most vulnerable to working in jobs like service, healthcare, and logistics.
(CNN) Up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are young adults between ages 20 to 44, a new federal study shows.
While the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people, the report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.
The CDC analyzed the cases of about 2,500 patients in the United States whose ages were known. Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 20% were notably younger — between ages 20 and 44, while 18% were between ages 45 and 54, the report says. The highest percentage of hospitalized patients was at 26% between ages 65 and 84.
And of the 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 36% were adults ages 45 to 64, while 12% were ages 20 to 44. There were no ICU admissions reported for those under age 19, the report says.
Reports also show that Saturday composed 50% of the weekend
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
Up to 20% of people hospitalized encompass an age group spanning 25 years and are the most vulnerable to working in jobs like service, healthcare, and logistics.
Reports also show that Saturday composed 50% of the weekend
I think the highlight of the study was that 40% of the people getting hospitalized are in the age range that thinks they're untouchable
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 11:27:11 AM
I think the highlight of the study was that 40% of the people getting hospitalized are in the age range that thinks they're untouchableI don’t think people think they’re untouchable, it’s just that they’re extremely likely to recover. My doctors office called me because I had a physical scheduled for end of March that they told me to postpone for obvious reasons and directed me to the local hospital if I had symptoms. I think the hospitalization number is high because people are going there instead of their doctors.
I’d be more interested in seeing the number of people in intensive care or percentage of deaths
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
I don’t think people think they’re untouchable, it’s just that they’re extremely likely to recover. My doctors office called me because I had a physical scheduled for end of March that they told me to postpone for obvious reasons and directed me to the local hospital if I had symptoms. I think the hospitalization number is high because people are going there instead of their doctors.
I’d be more interested in seeing the number of people in intensive care or percentage of deaths
Not giving a freak is basically the same general categories as untouchable.
And the article mentioned 12% of icu patients are 20-44 or whatever.
As a person in that age group I have zero concerns about the disease killing me. What does worry me is the studies that suggest it's possible that you cns permanently lose long capacity. Are they unreliable absolutely. But it's enoguh to concern the freak out of me. Who wants to basically have COPD or emphysema as a young adult
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 11:37:16 AM
Not giving a freak is basically the same general categories as untouchable.
And the article mentioned 12% of icu patients are 20-44 or whatever.
As a person in that age group I have zero concerns about the disease killing me. What does worry me is the studies that suggest it's possible that you cns permanently lose long capacity. Are they unreliable absolutely. But it's enoguh to concern the freak out of me. Who wants to basically have COPD or emphysema as a young adult
Based on the number of people who smoke and/or vape, plenty aren't concerned.
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 01:27:02 PM
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Despite assurances from Vice President Mike Pence that all Grand Princess cruise ship passengers quarantined at Travis Air Force Base would be tested for COVID-19, The Chronicle has learned that two-thirds of them have declined, often at the encouragement of federal health officials.
As of Wednesday, 568 of the 858 passengers screened while confined turned down the test, a federal official familiar with the Travis quarantine and testing told The Chronicle. The low testing numbers align with what passengers were told by officials during a Tuesday afternoon teleconference, citing a 30% acceptance rate for the novel coronavirus test, several passengers told The Chronicle.
Lol
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 01:45:57 PM
https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 01:54:34 PM
Trump literally crossed out Corona in Coronavirus to replace it with Chinese so he could use his dog whistle and make them the scapegoat.
https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298
That’s 100% what Trump is doing, but the manufactured outrage is just as dumb
https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081?s=21
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:00:50 PM
Trump literally crossed out Corona in Coronavirus to replace it with Chinese so he could use his dog whistle and make them the scapegoat.
https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298
They are the scapegoat.
The Chinese government is literally trying to shift the blame on the American military for this outbreak and its conclusive that had they actually taken measures to limit the spread, there's a strong likelihood we aren't in the absolute quagmire we're in now. But of course with all authoritarians (and especially commies) the State is all and must not be compromised by any means necessary. For all we know, they put a bullet in the freaking head of the hero that even notified the WHO about this. Forgive me if I don't believe the Chinese company line that he died from coronavirus after they tried to arrest him and put him on lockdown to silence him.
But sure, kvetch about labeling a virus from its place of origin like how we've been doing for years on end.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
That’s 100% what Trump is doing, but the manufactured outrage is just as dumbSo you agree that it's a dogwhistle, but people drawing attention to it are just as dumb? K.
https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081?s=21
This is the kind of both sides'ism that is ridiculous right now. Calling it the Chinese virus isn't racist, but going out of your way to call it that can incite racism, especially when you're the freaking president.
Also, I only watched the first couple clips in that video, but the first clip was literally Cuomo agreeing with us, and the next few clips were from when the virus first broke and it was still mostly contained to China and Wuhan.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 02:18:57 PM
They are the scapegoat.Language changes as we learn more. 16 years ago, I would call people gay or fags all the time. Now I never use that as an insult.
The Chinese government is literally trying to shift the blame on the American military for this outbreak and its conclusive that had they actually taken measures to limit the spread, there's a strong likelihood we aren't in the absolute quagmire we're in now. But of course with all authoritarians (and especially commies) the State is all and must not be compromised by any means necessary. For all we know, they put a bullet in the freaking head of the hero that even notified the WHO about this. Forgive me if I don't believe the Chinese company line that he died from coronavirus after they tried to arrest him and put him on lockdown to silence him.
But sure, kvetch about labeling a virus from its place of origin like how we've been doing for years on end.
China is to blame for the origin of this. Trump and the government's shitty response and messaging from the beginning of this has helped.
China may have taken a dump in the living room, but we never cleaned it up, and now the house stinks and there's a bug infestation.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
So you agree that it's a dogwhistle, but people drawing attention to it are just as dumb? K.
This is the kind of both sides'ism that is ridiculous right now. Calling it the Chinese virus isn't racist, but going out of your way to call it that can incite racism, especially when you're the freaking president.
Also, I only watched the first couple clips in that video, but the first clip was literally Cuomo agreeing with us, and the next few clips were from when the virus first broke and it was still mostly contained to China and Wuhan.
No I don't agree its a dogwhistle at all. Maybe you missed the part where I said classifying a virus by its place of origin is something we've been doing for years and years. There is no both sides'ism. It's unequivocal fact; this is the fault of the Chinese government, they've disgustingly tried to shift blame for us, and Trump is now correctly ensuring everyone knows exactly where the culpability lies.
This is a bullshit, manufactured narrative from a dishonest media apparatus that was literally referring to this as the "Wuhan" or "Chinese" virus as recently as six weeks ago, and I for one welcome it. People who are focused on the day to day of surviving through this thing get another example of how dishonest these absolute pieces of excrement are.
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
No I don't agree its a dogwhistle at all. Maybe you missed the part where I said classifying a virus by its place of origin is something we've been doing for years and years.
That's not really true though, is it? Spanish flu started in either France or the US, bird flu probably started somewhere in Asia, swine flu was first found in Mexico.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:35:50 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:38:46 PM
That's not really true though, is it? Spanish flu started in either France or the US, bird flu probably started somewhere in Asia, swine flu was first found in Mexico.
At the time the Spanish flu was thought to have originated in Spain, so it was designated as such. I know after the fact there's been a lot of speculation that it was started either here or France. If that was the conventional wisdom at the time, it'd be called Etaples flu, even if that doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well.
Ebola virus-first found by the Ebola River.
Lyme's disease is called Lyme's disease because it originated in Old Lyme Connecticut (and I actually can't tell you how much my mind was blown that it wasn't officially diagnosed as its own condition until 1975. We put man on the moon before we found out about Lyme's disease?!?!).
Honestly, I do not think he'd be pressing this as hard as he is if the Chinese weren't continually trying to absolve themselves of the blame. It's a direct freak you to Xi Jinping.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 02:55:48 PM
Lyme
There is no plural form, holy excrement. TIL.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:57:19 PM
There is no plural form, holy excrement. TIL.
Not true, there’s Lyme, East Lyme, and Old Lyme.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:57:49 PM
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(Reuters) - The highly contagious novel coronavirus that has exploded into a global pandemic can remain viable and infectious in droplets in the air for hours and on surfaces up to days, according to a new study that should offer guidance to help people avoid contracting the respiratory illness called COVID-19.
Scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, attempted to mimic the virus deposited from an infected person onto everyday surfaces in a household or hospital setting, such as through coughing or touching objects.
They used a device to dispense an aerosol that duplicated the microscopic droplets created in a cough or a sneeze.
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The scientists then investigated how long SARS-CoV-2 remained infectious on these surfaces, according to the study that appeared online in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday - a day in which U.S. COVID-19 cases surged past 5,200 and deaths approached 100.
The tests show that when the virus is carried by the droplets released when someone coughs or sneezes, it remains viable, or able to still infect people, in aerosols for at least three hours.
On plastic and stainless steel, viable virus could be detected after three days. On cardboard, the virus was not viable after 24 hours. On copper, it took 4 hours for the virus to become inactivated.
In terms of half-life, the research team found that it takes about 66 minutes for half the virus particles to lose function if they are in an aerosol droplet.
That means that after another hour and six minutes, three quarters of the virus particles will be essentially inactivated but 25% will still be viable.
The amount of viable virus at the end of the third hour will be down to 12.5%, according to the research led by Neeltje van Doremalen of the NIAID's Montana facility at Rocky Mountain Laboratories.
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On stainless steel, it takes 5 hours 38 minutes for half of the virus particles to become inactive. On plastic, the half-life is 6 hours 49 minutes, researchers found.
On cardboard, the half-life was about three and a half hours, but the researchers said there was a lot of variability in those results "so we advise caution" interpreting that number.
The shortest survival time was on copper, where half the virus became inactivated within 46 minutes.
As part of their experiments, the researchers compared the stability of SARS-CoV-2 to that of SARS-CoV-1 under the same experimental circumstances and found similar results. "This indicates that differences in the epidemiologic characteristics of these viruses probably arise from other factors," they conclude, "including high viral loads in the upper respiratory tract and the potential for persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 to shed and transmit the virus while asymptomatic
Post by: reuben on March 19, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
The shortest survival time was on copper, where half the virus became inactivated within 46 minutes.
Moscow Mule SZN baby
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
At the time the Spanish flu was thought to have originated in Spain, so it was designated as such. I know after the fact there's been a lot of speculation that it was started either here or France. If that was the conventional wisdom at the time, it'd be called Etaples flu, even if that doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well.
Ebola virus-first found by the Ebola River.
Lyme's disease is called Lyme's disease because it originated in Old Lyme Connecticut (and I actually can't tell you how much my mind was blown that it wasn't officially diagnosed as its own condition until 1975. We put man on the moon before we found out about Lyme's disease?!?!).
Honestly, I do not think he'd be pressing this as hard as he is if the Chinese weren't continually trying to absolve themselves of the blame. It's a direct freak you to Xi Jinping.
No need to bend into pretzels over this, at this point it's just dipshits doing it because they fancy themselves anti-PC or whatever.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
Another reason I'm happy I got out of Connecticut.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 04:36:18 PM
I had no idea Lyme Disease came from Lyme, Connecticut. Granted, I also never thought about it.
Another reason I'm happy I got out of Connecticut.
This is incredibly offensive
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 04:38:43 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 06:52:25 PM
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Axios has compiled a timeline of the earliest weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in China, highlighting when the cover-up started and ended — and showing how, during that time, the virus already started spreading around the world, including to the United States.
Why it matters: A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.
This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.
Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.
Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.
Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.
Dec. 30:
Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:
Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.
An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.
Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.
Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.
Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.
Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.
Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.
Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."
Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.
Jan. 18:
The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.
Jan. 20:
The first case announced in South Korea.
Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.
Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.
Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.
The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 19, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2020, 07:46:16 PM
China is and presumably will be for quite some time the biggest problem to global stability.spidermanpointing.jpg
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
While it would be nice to get a check in the mail, there are several Republicans that aren't keen on doing it this way and I agree. It would probably be best to pay the money through the unemployment insurance program and in no-interest small business loans to companies for payroll and other necessities so it goes to people who lost work partially or completely because of this and not to people who are still working and unaffected. Doesn't make sense to give money to people that are unaffected.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:08:51 PM
Cali Governor issues “Stay At Home” order for entire state
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 09:14:32 PM
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Stay home except for essential needs
Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job. If you go out, keep at least 6 feet of distance.
How long will we stay home?
This goes into effect on Thursday, March 19, 2020. The order is in place until further notice.
What can I do? What’s open?
Essential services will remain open such as:
Gas stations
Pharmacies
Food: Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks, convenience stores, take-out and delivery restaurants
Banks
Laundromats/laundry services
Essential state and local government functions will also remain open, including law enforcement and offices that provide government programs and services.
What’s closed?
Dine-in restaurants
Bars and nightclubs
Entertainment venues
Gyms and fitness studios
Public events and gatherings
Convention Centers
Where does this apply?
This is in effect throughout the State of California.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 19, 2020, 09:34:38 PM
I had no idea Lyme Disease came from Lyme, Connecticut. Granted, I also never thought about it.
Another reason I'm happy I got out of Connecticut.
I thought that was common knowledge.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 19, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
“You know that old saw that if you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will leap out. But if you take that same frog and put it in a pot of ambient water and slowly crank up the temperature, it will stay in that water and boil to death. It loses perspective on the changing environment around it. We’re that frog in the ambient water. We’re oblivious to the conditions that have enabled zoonotic viruses to become integrated into us.”
Frightening and direct answers that really neither surprise me or strike me as people should be exercising common sense.
That’s a Q&A every official in the world should read.
Yeah man it's one of the best articles I have read on the virus /pandemic. It doesn't point fingers so much as just give the nuts and bolts of the problem.
Just look at this thread, the Chinese are more apt to point fingers, deflect blame, and build up their country's poor response, while Trump calling it a Chinese virus, poking fun and such. If that's the extent of global dialogue we are well and truly fucked.
I had a manager that was a Vietnam vet, he used to say especially during the 2008 financial crisis everyone is worried about who shot John and not John, as he's bleeding to death. Sometimes, most times, I think that's the world reaction to this.
In my opinion, fix the freaking problem then blame the Chinese, call it the Xi virus when all is said and done, for all the fucks I give. Start acting like the world leader(s) you are and recognize this particular moment is a global event and start acting your part within the world.
Post by: guinness77 on March 19, 2020, 10:15:27 PM
Yeah man it's one of the best articles I have read on the virus /pandemic. It doesn't point fingers so much as just give the nuts and bolts of the problem.Agree 100%, especially the last paragraph.
Just look at this thread, the Chinese are more apt to point fingers, deflect blame, and build up their country's poor response, while Trump calling it a Chinese virus, poking fun and such. If that's the extent of global dialogue we are well and truly fucked.
I had a manager that was a Vietnam vet, he used to say especially during the 2008 financial crisis everyone is worried about who shot John and not John, as he's bleeding to death. Sometimes, most times, I think that's the world reaction to this.
In my opinion, fix the freaking problem then blame the Chinese, call it the Xi virus when all is said and done, for all the fucks I give. Start acting like the world leader(s) you are and recognize this particular moment is a global event and start acting your part within the world.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 10:26:08 PM
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A 34-year-old man has died in California after testing positive of coronavirus just days ago, and 2 weeks after visiting Walt Disney World and Universal Studios in Florida ... TMZ has learned.
Jeffrey Ghazarian died Thursday morning at a Pasadena hospital after spending 5 days hooked up to a ventilator and battling for his life ... according to his family.
His sister says ... "He suffered a lot and put up a good fight. We will miss our Jeff everyday but we are thankful for all the fun happy memories of the times we had together."
Jeff's timeline regarding his COVID-19 infection is terrifying and should be eye-opening for people of all ages. According to his family, he flew from L.A. to Orlando on March 2 for a work conference, but stayed a few extra days to visit Disney World and Universal theme parks with friends.
We're told on March 7 he developed a cough, and the next day he coughed up blood. He flew back to LAX on March 9 ... and immediately went to the ER, where he also had a high fever.
The family says a chest x-ray confirmed Jeff had pneumonia, and he was tested for COVID-19 and sent home with fluids and antibiotics and instructed to self-quarantine until he got the results back.
We're told the results came back positive on March 13, and Jeff was provided a portable oxygen meter to keep an eye on his levels ... which took a turn for the worse that afternoon.
On March 14 he was taken by ambulance to the hospital and quickly transferred to the ICU when it was discovered his lungs were 60-70 percent blocked with pneumonia. Doctors decided the best path forward was to sedate and intubate, hoping a ventilator would help his lungs heal.
Sadly -- and despite the family claiming he was approved for antiviral meds -- the medication was delayed in getting to him, he took a turn for the worse ... and passed away Thursday morning.
It appears Jeffrey was higher-risk patient. He had a history of asthma and frequent bronchitis as a child, though he outgrew that. He also had undergone surgery for testicular cancer back in 2016.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
Yeah man it's one of the best articles I have read on the virus /pandemic. It doesn't point fingers so much as just give the nuts and bolts of the problem.Exactly. China can be at fault. We can blame China. They fucked up because they have an awful government who lies to the people to try to make themselves look as good as possible. Then it spread here, and we fucked up because we have an awful government who lies to the people to try to make themselves look as good as possible. Going out of his way to call it the Chinese Virus means he is just blaming China, and it makes it look like he's not taking it seriously enough. And when half of his campaign has been built on blaming non-white people for all of the issues in America, it also makes it look racist, whether it is or not.
Just look at this thread, the Chinese are more apt to point fingers, deflect blame, and build up their country's poor response, while Trump calling it a Chinese virus, poking fun and such. If that's the extent of global dialogue we are well and truly fucked.
I had a manager that was a Vietnam vet, he used to say especially during the 2008 financial crisis everyone is worried about who shot John and not John, as he's bleeding to death. Sometimes, most times, I think that's the world reaction to this.
In my opinion, fix the freaking problem then blame the Chinese, call it the Xi virus when all is said and done, for all the fucks I give. Start acting like the world leader(s) you are and recognize this particular moment is a global event and start acting your part within the world.
Right now, nobody gives a excrement whose fault it is. Sure, people like me are happy to throw blame Trump because he's a fuckhead who deserves it, but I really just want this excrement to go away. Don't blame China, be honest with us, and lead us out of this crisis. That's what a real president would do. That's what Obama would do. That's what Bush would do. I didn't like Bush at all, but despite his flaws, he at least put on a strong face during 9/11. Trump can't even do that.
Now, we need to fix it and curb the spread. I'm happy California is locking down. It was in a de facto lockdown for the last few days anyway with so many places closed. Smart people like me stayed inside except for getting essential goods like food and weed. Now the stupid people are forced to live the same way. Of course, I'm a hypocrite since I went to a concert last week when I knew this was an issue, but I also knew I was going to basically quarantine myself when it was over, and I have.
Granted, I saw a video that people in San Francisco are still allowed outside and on the beach for exercise. I think that's fine because we do need some level of freedom, but stupid people are still going to stupid.
Post by: reuben on March 19, 2020, 10:52:42 PM
https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 19, 2020, 11:15:01 PM
Coronavirus treatment in Italian hospital
https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)
That is terrifying
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2020, 12:07:07 AM
All their medical personnel are effectively wearing hazmat suits
In the US these people have freaking nothing
People at Stony Brook are telling me how they have patients going into full codes with only one person going into the room because nobody has masks or any protective gear.
Medical personnel from this could end up being like 9/11 rescue workers having major problems the rest of their lives if any of this excrement about lung scarring/damage is true
Post by: Pope on March 20, 2020, 12:28:08 AM
Again I think the biggest problem is that we know so little about positive cases and long term implications but my hope is this has turned the corner.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:29:34 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:32:25 AM
What I hope is that mutation and spread of this weakens the virus to the point that hospitalization becomes much more limited. I can’t speak to the current state of the coronavirus but my understanding is that it’s at its worst at its original jump from animal to human. After that the spread from human to human is o the scale of virility vs mortality in the sense that a virus has a difficult time spreading if its host is more susceptible to death/serious illness.
Again I think the biggest problem is that we know so little about positive cases and long term implications but my hope is this has turned the corner.
What is this based on? The jump from animal to human was in 2019. From what you’ve seen what leads you to believe this is getting better?
Post by: Pope on March 20, 2020, 06:34:52 AM
What is this based on? The jump from animal to human was in 2019. From what you’ve seen what leads you to believe this is getting better?From people like you spreading hysteria
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:36:24 AM
From people like you spreading hysteria
No hysteria, just fax
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 06:57:00 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 07:04:27 AM
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She lost her mother, two brothers and a sister to coronavirus within a week
(CNN) Elizabeth Fusco was still grieving her oldest sister's death when she got another call this week. Her oldest brother had died, too.
While she was on the phone with the hospital Wednesday, she heard her mother coding in the background and the doctors' frantic activity to save her, she told CNN. Her mother did not make it.
A day later, on Thursday, another brother died, leaving the shocked New Jersey family mourning the loss of a mother and two brothers within a week and a sister who died six days prior -- all victims of the coronavirus that has killed 195 people in the US.
Her mother and the family matriarch, Grace Fusco, 73, of Freehold, New Jersey, died Wednesday this week after being diagnosed with the coronavirus.
Her brother, Carmine Fusco, had died just before their mother on the same day, according to The New York Times. A day later, on Thursday, another brother, Vincent Fusco Jr., died, a family member said.
Her oldest sister, Rita Fusco-Jackson, had died on March 13, The Times reported. All the children were in their 50s and it's unclear whether they had underlying health issues.
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In addition to the deaths, three other relatives are hospitalized in New Jersey and 19 other family members have been tested for the virus and are anxiously awaiting results, said Roseann Paradiso Fodera, the mother's cousin. They include children, parents and grandchildren, and are quarantined together.
"This is an unbearable tragedy for the family," Paradiso Fodera said. "The family's biggest concern is that we have four members of one family who have passed, two on life support and one stable," Paradiso Fodera said.
The infections appeared to have originated from a family dinner this month, according to The Times, which first reported the story. It said the first person to die from coronavirus in New Jersey had attended that gathering.
New Jersey
Keep your families safe, people.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 07:08:59 AM
I know that coronaviruses (viri? virii? virae?) are believed to have their origins in the bat population, but I thought that the bat soup as cause of this theory had been dispelled?
https://twitter.com/steveavonloor/status/1240802240128069632?s=21
NSFL
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 09:01:27 AM
As U.S. authorities scrambled to ramp up the nation’s capacity to test for coronavirus last week, at least 100 executives and other New Yorkers of means had easy access to testing, according to two sources familiar with the activities of a little-known medical service catering to the affluent.
These people paid a $5,000-a-year membership fee for a medical concierge service in New York City called Sollis Health, which worked with Enzo Clinical Labs Inc to test its members for COVID-19, according to the sources.
The arrangement gave members, which include people in finance, entertainment, advertising and media industries, access to the tests at home at a time New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said the state had the capacity to test just a few hundred patients a day. The two sources declined to provide the identities of the people the company tested for coronavirus and Reuters could not establish them.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 20, 2020, 09:13:12 AM
it doesn't matter whether you're in that group or not, you can still get the virus and get very sick from it. will it kill you? i don't know, probably not. but that doesn't mean that your survival didn't occur without the expenditure of extensive human and medical resources to make sure you're alive.
i can guarantee you all of the people downplaying the virus have never had to deal with the physical and mental stress of trying to stabilize a patient in respiratory compromise with their body literally shutting down in front of you. it's not fun, it's hard, it's stressful, it sucks
people who are hospitalized with the virus, survive, and make it out don't become one of the death statistics. fine. but it doesn't recount the severity of their condition if they were hospitalized in the ICU and required stabilization with high flow nasal cannula, bipap, or venting, or how bad their ABG or respiratory status looked like for a time even despite the use of high level supportive equipment, which is in finite quantity
all of this has a substantial effect on the healthcare delivery system. there are people other than coronavirus patients needing hospitalization requiring providers, meds, and some of this supportive equipment. if the outbreak becomes bad enough to the point that these hospitals cannot provide care due to the sheer number of cases they have to deal with, it's not just the coronavirus patients that suffer, it's all patients that suffer. i cannot stress this enough. i cannot comment on the economic ramifications of the shutdown on the financial security of many people across the country as it is not my arena, and i can only imagine that many people are going to lose their businesses, savings etc and how hard that's going to be. but my immediate thought is that at least they'll be alive to see it through, whether good or bad. with the coronavirus, too many people have the potential to die NOW, and not just those with the coronavirus.
even having to use something like high flow or bipap to stabilize a patient has insane consequences. these machines freaking aerosolize every freaking thing that patient has and any coronavirus patient that needs these things to survive has the chance to infect anybody in the room present with them at that time
like DCM already mentioned, some hospitals are switching to systems during rapids and codes where only 1-2 people enter the room to try and mitigate the spread of infecting an entire room of 15-20 providers helping a crashing patient. having been in these rooms many times i can tell you that often that amount of manpower is needed to try and help stabilize the patient. if the patient does not have access to that help because of this virus, that patient is dying
vents are technically closed circuits so the risk of aerosolizing is not as much of an issue, but vents are in limited quantity. already some hospitals in NY are running out of vents, hospitals in america are finding ways to macguyver this excrement and use one vent to ventilate and share between multiple infected patients which seems freaking unreal, other places are talking about intubating a patient and protecting their airway, without a hooked up 'vent', and having med students take shifts ventilating and oxygenating the patient manually with bag-valve masks as a contingency once the vents run out.
anesthesiologists who are exposed to these patients during the intubation process are exposed to every freaking thing in that patients mouth and are dropping left and right from being infected during this process. quarantining healthcare workers becomes an issue when you need man power to help care for some of these critically ill patients. calling in orthopedists, radiologists, dermatologists to try to manage a critically ill patient on a freaking vent which is something they are literally not trained to do is obviously not an ideal situation, but it's happened in some places, and it's what we're trying to prevent.
i have friends at NY programs who have been hit pretty hard and it sounds horrible. even if tested positive, some of these programs are telling their employees to come in if they feel 'well' enough to work because the situation there has literally gotten 'all hands on deck'. my hospital has not reached that level yet but it's going to within the next couple of weeks. i was already working 60-80 hour weeks on the regular on a fixed salary, and have actually been scheduled to come in for MORE, not less shifts, during this time because of how bad this thing is going to get. hospitals during this time of year and the colder months are already near close to full capacity without a global pandemic in the backdrop. i'm going to get the virus, and i fully expect to be told to come in if i feel well enough to work. when it gets really bad, i don't think hospital networks will make a big deal about testing their employees to confirm whether they have it or not, if manpower is needed. what's the point? and on top of this, we still don't have enough available tests or tests that come back
the hospital environment during this time is tense. people are scared, people are worried, people are being extra cautious. i've seen work stations being completely wiped down by one person after another person has finished using them, in another time this may seem completely freaking over the top but no offense is obviously being taken. i know of a few people that have had a hard time dealing with the stress/anxiety of all this stuff, but it's whatever. we need to come in
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 20, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
I don’t think people think they’re untouchable, it’s just that they’re extremely likely to recover. My doctors office called me because I had a physical scheduled for end of March that they told me to postpone for obvious reasons and directed me to the local hospital if I had symptoms. I think the hospitalization number is high because people are going there instead of their doctors.
I’d be more interested in seeing the number of people in intensive care or percentage of deaths
regarding the hospitalization component, this is not true. hospital networks that want to be financially successful have already been programmed to not admit unless absolutely necessary, to allow for optimal inpatient beds to allow for admissions with diagnosis codes that actually meet inpatient criteria so that they can be reimbursed fully by insurance companies, who won't pay if they feel the hospital admitted for no damn reason.
low risk infected patients who do not need oxygen, have stable vital signs, do not need higher level care are told to go home and self-quarantine. they are not admitted to a hospital that they don't need to be admitted to and pose a risk to infect other patients and workers for no reason. they won't be admitted unless they absolutely need to stay as bed availability is at a premium.
hospitalization numbers in theory won't be higher because more people are going to the hospital. already some places in america are setting up 'tents' outside their EDs to screen for patients that are worried about coronavirus, and whether they even need to be seen in the ED vs okay to go home, way before any sort of admission is considered for these patients.
if hospitalization numbers are high, it's because the number of patients who need to be in the hospital due to instability and the necessity of inpatient treatments/higher level oxygen delivery is high, not because PCPs are telling their patients not to come to their outpatient office visits.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 09:31:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 09:40:41 AM
From people like you spreading hysteria
Better to spread hysteria than to spread the virus
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 09:41:23 AM
astonishing how many people in the world have been thinking of this as a hoax and an annoyance simply because they're not in the advertised 'high risk over 60 with other medical problems' group.
it doesn't matter whether you're in that group or not, you can still get the virus and get very sick from it. will it kill you? i don't know, probably not. but that doesn't mean that your survival didn't occur without the expenditure of extensive human and medical resources to make sure you're alive.
i can guarantee you all of the people downplaying the virus have never had to deal with the physical and mental stress of trying to stabilize a patient in respiratory compromise with their body literally shutting down in front of you. it's not fun, it's hard, it's stressful, it sucks
people who are hospitalized with the virus, survive, and make it out don't become one of the death statistics. fine. but it doesn't recount the severity of their condition if they were hospitalized in the ICU and required stabilization with high flow nasal cannula, bipap, or venting, or how bad their ABG or respiratory status looked like for a time even despite the use of high level supportive equipment, which is in finite quantity
all of this has a substantial effect on the healthcare delivery system. there are people other than coronavirus patients needing hospitalization requiring providers, meds, and some of this supportive equipment. if the outbreak becomes bad enough to the point that these hospitals cannot provide care due to the sheer number of cases they have to deal with, it's not just the coronavirus patients that suffer, it's all patients that suffer. i cannot stress this enough. i cannot comment on the economic ramifications of the shutdown on the financial security of many people across the country as it is not my arena, and i can only imagine that many people are going to lose their businesses, savings etc and how hard that's going to be. but my immediate thought is that at least they'll be alive to see it through, whether good or bad. with the coronavirus, too many people have the potential to die NOW, and not just those with the coronavirus.
even having to use something like high flow or bipap to stabilize a patient has insane consequences. these machines freaking aerosolize every freaking thing that patient has and any coronavirus patient that needs these things to survive has the chance to infect anybody in the room present with them at that time
like DCM already mentioned, some hospitals are switching to systems during rapids and codes where only 1-2 people enter the room to try and mitigate the spread of infecting an entire room of 15-20 providers helping a crashing patient. having been in these rooms many times i can tell you that often that amount of manpower is needed to try and help stabilize the patient. if the patient does not have access to that help because of this virus, that patient is dying
vents are technically closed circuits so the risk of aerosolizing is not as much of an issue, but vents are in limited quantity. already some hospitals in NY are running out of vents, hospitals in america are finding ways to macguyver this excrement and use one vent to ventilate and share between multiple infected patients which seems freaking unreal, other places are talking about intubating a patient and protecting their airway, without a hooked up 'vent', and having med students take shifts ventilating and oxygenating the patient manually with bag-valve masks as a contingency once the vents run out.
anesthesiologists who are exposed to these patients during the intubation process are exposed to every freaking thing in that patients mouth and are dropping left and right from being infected during this process. quarantining healthcare workers becomes an issue when you need man power to help care for some of these critically ill patients. calling in orthopedists, radiologists, dermatologists to try to manage a critically ill patient on a freaking vent which is something they are literally not trained to do is obviously not an ideal situation, but it's happened in some places, and it's what we're trying to prevent.
i have friends at NY programs who have been hit pretty hard and it sounds horrible. even if tested positive, some of these programs are telling their employees to come in if they feel 'well' enough to work because the situation there has literally gotten 'all hands on deck'. my hospital has not reached that level yet but it's going to within the next couple of weeks. i was already working 60-80 hour weeks on the regular on a fixed salary, and have actually been scheduled to come in for MORE, not less shifts, during this time because of how bad this thing is going to get. hospitals during this time of year and the colder months are already near close to full capacity without a global pandemic in the backdrop. i'm going to get the virus, and i fully expect to be told to come in if i feel well enough to work. when it gets really bad, i don't think hospital networks will make a big deal about testing their employees to confirm whether they have it or not, if manpower is needed. what's the point? and on top of this, we still don't have enough available tests or tests that come back
the hospital environment during this time is tense. people are scared, people are worried, people are being extra cautious. i've seen work stations being completely wiped down by one person after another person has finished using them, in another time this may seem completely freaking over the top but no offense is obviously being taken. i know of a few people that have had a hard time dealing with the stress/anxiety of all this stuff, but it's whatever. we need to come in
solid post...and keep fighting the good fight, DS. I for one, am thankful for health care folks like yourselves. Stay Safe, my friend.
EDIT: SFD is correct, your drinks are on us at the next tailgate.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2020, 09:51:02 AM
regarding the hospitalization component, this is not true. hospital networks that want to be financially successful have already been programmed to not admit unless absolutely necessary, to allow for optimal inpatient beds to allow for admissions with diagnosis codes that actually meet inpatient criteria so that they can be reimbursed fully by insurance companies, who won't pay if they feel the hospital admitted for no damn reason.
low risk infected patients who do not need oxygen, have stable vital signs, do not need higher level care are told to go home and self-quarantine. they are not admitted to a hospital that they don't need to be admitted to and pose a risk to infect other patients and workers for no reason. they won't be admitted unless they absolutely need to stay as bed availability is at a premium.
hospitalization numbers in theory won't be higher because more people are going to the hospital. already some places in america are setting up 'tents' outside their EDs to screen for patients that are worried about coronavirus, and whether they even need to be seen in the ED vs okay to go home, way before any sort of admission is considered for these patients.
if hospitalization numbers are high, it's because the number of patients who need to be in the hospital due to instability and the necessity of inpatient treatments/higher level oxygen delivery is high, not because PCPs are telling their patients not to come to their outpatient office visits.
A family friend is an infectious disease nurse in south jersey, the tents are already being set up.
Stay safe DS.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 10:05:11 AM
I don't blame her. She's 66 years old and scheduled to retire on April 31st.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 10:49:10 AM
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#BREAKING: I will sign an Executive Order mandating that 100% of workforce must stay home, excluding essential services.
This order excludes pharmacies, grocery stores, and others.
Cuomo
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Cuomo
oh no....Lombardi's pizza!!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 10:58:05 AM
solid post...and keep fighting the good fight, DS. I for one, am thankful for health care folks like yourselves. Stay Safe, my friend.
EDIT: SFD is correct, your drinks are on everyone but MBGreen because he won't be there at the next tailgate.
Fyp
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
Fyp
i need you to self-isolate your farts before i step back into New Jersey
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
i need you to self-isolate your farts before i step back into New JerseyNo, you will bask in the glory.
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
No, you will bask in the glory.
veto
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
#BREAKING: I will sign an Executive Order mandating that 100% of workforce must stay home, excluding essential services.
This order excludes pharmacies, grocery stores, and others.
https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962 (https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962)
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“Due to the products we carry that enable and enhance our customers’ experience in working from home, we believe GameStop is classified as essential retail and therefore is able to remain open during this time,” the retailer said in a memo to staff this afternoon, obtained by Kotaku.
“We have received reports of local authorities visiting stores in an attempt to enforce closure despite our classification. Store Managers are approved to provide the document linked below to law enforcement as needed.”
Don't ever buy anything from these cunts ever again.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962 (https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962)
Don't ever buy anything from these cunts ever again.
That is completely disgusting.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
That place will eventually close down due to online sales
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 12:57:54 PM
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker plans to issue a “shelter-in-place” order for the entire state starting Saturday, sources tell the Tribune
Post by: Hemi on March 20, 2020, 01:31:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 01:38:15 PM
https://twitter.com/em_resus/status/1240654295894294530?s=21
Post by: klaximilian on March 20, 2020, 01:55:03 PM
Cuomo
About damn time.
Post by: klaximilian on March 20, 2020, 01:57:47 PM
https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962 (https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962)
Don't ever buy anything from these cunts ever again.
Someone should tell these faggots that you can download games.
Whoever made this comment needs to be lit on fire, then doused in gasoline to finish the job.
Post by: IATA on March 20, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1241041962871881728
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
this piece of excrement president you americans have
https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1241041962871881728
If it were a TV show that would be pretty funny.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 02:45:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 02:50:50 PM
W
Post by: Pope on March 20, 2020, 03:10:14 PM
Post by: Hemi on March 20, 2020, 03:21:03 PM
Post by: Hemi on March 20, 2020, 03:24:59 PM
Post by: guinness77 on March 20, 2020, 03:38:51 PM
At Thursday's coronavirus press briefing, Trump smeared The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post.
"They're very dishonest," Trump claimed.
Trump then praised a far-right media outlet, saying it is "very good" and noting, "They treat me very nicely."
The right-wing personality from that media outlet falsely said major newsrooms had "teamed up" with the Chinese Communist Party to attack Trump.
The person then asked, "Is it alarming that major media players that just oppose you are consistently siding with foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals and Latin gangs and cartels?"
Instead of rebuking the right-wing personality for the question, Trump on Thursday boasted that he had canceled the White House's subscriptions to the country's major newspapers.
"It amazes me when I read the things that I read," Trump said Thursday. "It amazes me when I read The Wall Street Journal which is so negative and The New York Times, I barely read it. We don't distribute it in the White House, and the same with The Washington Post.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMCmVnTeL4pTbTXLr3ZNTqkqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowocv1CjCSptoCMPrTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/covid-19-recovery-rates-intl/index.html
Some interesting stats in there, the preponderance of men dying over women particularly jumped out. I wonder if China and also Italy have those numbers impacted by the prevalence of smoking - when you think of the nationalities most likely to have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth those two would be towards the top of the list, I think, and more slanted towards men than women. If your lungs are already impeded in their operation it would be unsurprising if your chances of being killed by a nasty respiratory infection exponentially increase.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2020, 03:52:52 PM
Some interesting stats in there, the preponderance of men dying over women particularly jumped out. I wonder if China and also Italy have those numbers impacted by the prevalence of smoking - when you think of the nationalities most likely to have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth those two would be towards the top of the list, I think, and more slanted towards men than women. If your lungs are already impeded in their operation it would be unsurprising if your chances of being killed by a nasty respiratory infection exponentially increase.
I can't imagine how awful the air quality is in China.
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
I can't imagine how awful the air quality is in China.
That will definitely be a factor as well, I'm sure. Northern Italy where the real outbreak is is also more industrial than the south, but I don't know enough about the area to claim with any conviction that it could be a factor there.
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2020, 04:00:11 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
Why hasn't this thing gone off like an atom bomb in India? Climate?
That could be and I believe with my extensive medical training (two full runs through every season of House and most of ER until they killed Goose) that it is a significant factor, but probably also things like reporting and low amounts of travel are part of it as well.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 20, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
"Liquor Stores will stay open"
W
I can't imagine what it's like to live in an area where Trillium and Bissel Brothers will deliver you amazing freaking beer.
Alas...I live in excrement hole NJ counting the days until I can GTFO
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
https://t.co/FO4rbzuCs3
I saw a link from The Hill this afternoon saying that a majority of Americans now approve of how Trump has handled the response to COVID. Let's see how that plays out.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2020, 04:42:57 PM
I'll concede I know nothing about the Indian govt, but it sounds like they've been able to do a better job at keeping people the freak out
Post by: dcm1602 on March 20, 2020, 04:45:50 PM
I saw a link from The Hill this afternoon saying that a majority of Americans now approve of how Trump has handled the response to COVID. Let's see how that plays out.
Surprisingly democrats have been fairly happy we ith Trumps response. I know they Omar Illhanki chick from Minnesota or some excrement was praising him. And she's one of his biggest critics.
Trump was absolutely an ignorant freaking idiot who poopooed the whole thing early on. But people ignore the guy has a very liberal side and occasionally likes to be a populist big govt kinda dude especially when it comes to spending.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
The country would be much better off if he stayed in his office and let the professionals do the talking and just sign the freaking orders they tell him to.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 05:17:38 PM
The people around Trump are doing a good job. When he speaks at the briefings he's like a seagull squawking and shitting all over everything and flying away to leave everyone else to clean up after him. That dumbass is trying to talk about medications and treatments he can't pronounce like he's some sort of part time Doogie Howser. He's like Booger McFarland at press conferences. Everyone cringes when he opens his stupid yapper and hopes he doesn't say something retarded, even though he always does.This. Trump is an poopchute and he has done a dogshit job from the jump.
The country would be much better off if he stayed in his office and let the professionals do the talking and just sign the freaking orders they tell him to.
The more be opens his mouth, the less confident any Americans feel. And when he brings other people up there to relentlessly thank the fuhrer, it makes everything look worse.
I'll give him this, at least he is somewhat serious about this now. Several weeks too late. So he is almost doing the bare minimum now. And he still lies constantly and undermines health professionals. But it is too late now.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 20, 2020, 05:20:58 PM
solid post...and keep fighting the good fight, DS. I for one, am thankful for health care folks like yourselves. Stay Safe, my friend.
EDIT: SFD is correct, your drinks are on us at the next tailgate.
You're not going, so don't volunteer our dollars you dick.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 05:22:44 PM
You're not going, so don't volunteer our dollars you dick.Will you be buying him appetizers?
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
You're not going, so don't volunteer our dollars you dick.I’ll volunteer all your dollars plus interest
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
This. Trump is an poopchute and he has done a dogshit job from the jump.
The more be opens his mouth, the less confident any Americans feel. And when he brings other people up there to relentlessly thank the fuhrer, it makes everything look worse.
I'll give him this, at least he is somewhat serious about this now. Several weeks too late. So he is almost doing the bare minimum now. And he still lies constantly and undermines health professionals. But it is too late now.
Jesus christ dude, what nonsense.
We get it, you don't like him and you've bought, hook line and sinker total falsehoods like "half his campaign was built on blaming non-whites for the problems for this country" or whatever the freak that stupidity was. I was going to continue to hold my tongue but the "Derp derp fuhrer" excrement is just so historically ignorant and the implication is that me and mine are stupid enough to follow a wannabe Hitler, is hilarious considering your idiotic fawning on how Obama would've handled this.
You ever consider he's been serious and publicly downplayed it because to have sounded alarm bells three weeks ago would've hastened the economic tailspin we find ourselves in now? Or that maybe you're in the minority in thinking he's doing a excrement job? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570
The fact of the matter is he could conjure up a cure in front of your eyes and you'd be blaming him for not coming up with one sooner.
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1241033463991435264?s=19
Post by: guinness77 on March 20, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Paging SFD
https://twitter.com/annehelen/status/1241033463991435264?s=19
Richest area in CT and the story is not even slightly surprising
Edit: whenever you hear Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. bought a house in Connecticut it’s always in the same cluster of towns in this area
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 08:27:56 PM
You ever consider he's been serious and publicly downplayed it because to have sounded alarm bells three weeks ago would've hastened the economic tailspin we find ourselves in now? Or that maybe you're in the minority in thinking he's doing a excrement job? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570I agree that he publicly downplayed it because he thought it would help the economy in the short term. He wanted this all to go away on its own (from 15 people to 0 people) despite what experts were telling him. He thought that by downplaying it publicly, it would be a bandaid for the economy.
The fact of the matter is he could conjure up a cure in front of your eyes and you'd be blaming him for not coming up with one sooner.
But I also don't think he thought this would be a big deal. A lot of Americans probably felt the same way, but he's the president. It's his responsibility, even if he wants to say it isn't. People in intelligence knew this was going to be a problem if it got to America.
And we know that people in the government also thought that because we have two senators caught dumping stocks right around this time.
And in the end, we still had the economic tailspin. Maybe he delayed it 3 weeks, but by delyaing it 3 weeks, he may have extended this for months. The best thing for the economy would have been to be more serious about this from the beginning, rather than politicizing it and calling it a hoax. It would have hurt the economy earlier, but we also would have climbed out of it earlier.
I hate Pence, too. He probably has some warped religious ideology about this disease. But he would be a 10x better leader than Trump during this.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 20, 2020, 08:33:00 PM
Richest area in CT and the story is not even slightly surprisingI am not surprised at all. I think if they moved it to the Main Line in Philly, they might do the same thing.
Edit: whenever you hear Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. bought a house in Connecticut it’s always in the same cluster of towns in this area
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2020, 09:35:59 PM
Richest area in CT and the story is not even slightly surprisingThanks I hate it(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200321/baf7d945c6d79f893e92da9d767523aa.jpg)
Edit: whenever you hear Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. bought a house in Connecticut it’s always in the same cluster of towns in this area
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2020, 12:04:01 AM
astonishing how many people in the world have been thinking of this as a hoax and an annoyance simply because they're not in the advertised 'high risk over 60 with other medical problems' group.
it doesn't matter whether you're in that group or not, you can still get the virus and get very sick from it. will it kill you? i don't know, probably not. but that doesn't mean that your survival didn't occur without the expenditure of extensive human and medical resources to make sure you're alive.
i can guarantee you all of the people downplaying the virus have never had to deal with the physical and mental stress of trying to stabilize a patient in respiratory compromise with their body literally shutting down in front of you. it's not fun, it's hard, it's stressful, it sucks
people who are hospitalized with the virus, survive, and make it out don't become one of the death statistics. fine. but it doesn't recount the severity of their condition if they were hospitalized in the ICU and required stabilization with high flow nasal cannula, bipap, or venting, or how bad their ABG or respiratory status looked like for a time even despite the use of high level supportive equipment, which is in finite quantity
all of this has a substantial effect on the healthcare delivery system. there are people other than coronavirus patients needing hospitalization requiring providers, meds, and some of this supportive equipment. if the outbreak becomes bad enough to the point that these hospitals cannot provide care due to the sheer number of cases they have to deal with, it's not just the coronavirus patients that suffer, it's all patients that suffer. i cannot stress this enough. i cannot comment on the economic ramifications of the shutdown on the financial security of many people across the country as it is not my arena, and i can only imagine that many people are going to lose their businesses, savings etc and how hard that's going to be. but my immediate thought is that at least they'll be alive to see it through, whether good or bad. with the coronavirus, too many people have the potential to die NOW, and not just those with the coronavirus.
even having to use something like high flow or bipap to stabilize a patient has insane consequences. these machines freaking aerosolize every freaking thing that patient has and any coronavirus patient that needs these things to survive has the chance to infect anybody in the room present with them at that time
like DCM already mentioned, some hospitals are switching to systems during rapids and codes where only 1-2 people enter the room to try and mitigate the spread of infecting an entire room of 15-20 providers helping a crashing patient. having been in these rooms many times i can tell you that often that amount of manpower is needed to try and help stabilize the patient. if the patient does not have access to that help because of this virus, that patient is dying
vents are technically closed circuits so the risk of aerosolizing is not as much of an issue, but vents are in limited quantity. already some hospitals in NY are running out of vents, hospitals in america are finding ways to macguyver this excrement and use one vent to ventilate and share between multiple infected patients which seems freaking unreal, other places are talking about intubating a patient and protecting their airway, without a hooked up 'vent', and having med students take shifts ventilating and oxygenating the patient manually with bag-valve masks as a contingency once the vents run out.
anesthesiologists who are exposed to these patients during the intubation process are exposed to every freaking thing in that patients mouth and are dropping left and right from being infected during this process. quarantining healthcare workers becomes an issue when you need man power to help care for some of these critically ill patients. calling in orthopedists, radiologists, dermatologists to try to manage a critically ill patient on a freaking vent which is something they are literally not trained to do is obviously not an ideal situation, but it's happened in some places, and it's what we're trying to prevent.
i have friends at NY programs who have been hit pretty hard and it sounds horrible. even if tested positive, some of these programs are telling their employees to come in if they feel 'well' enough to work because the situation there has literally gotten 'all hands on deck'. my hospital has not reached that level yet but it's going to within the next couple of weeks. i was already working 60-80 hour weeks on the regular on a fixed salary, and have actually been scheduled to come in for MORE, not less shifts, during this time because of how bad this thing is going to get. hospitals during this time of year and the colder months are already near close to full capacity without a global pandemic in the backdrop. i'm going to get the virus, and i fully expect to be told to come in if i feel well enough to work. when it gets really bad, i don't think hospital networks will make a big deal about testing their employees to confirm whether they have it or not, if manpower is needed. what's the point? and on top of this, we still don't have enough available tests or tests that come back
the hospital environment during this time is tense. people are scared, people are worried, people are being extra cautious. i've seen work stations being completely wiped down by one person after another person has finished using them, in another time this may seem completely freaking over the top but no offense is obviously being taken. i know of a few people that have had a hard time dealing with the stress/anxiety of all this stuff, but it's whatever. we need to come in
Apparently hospitals are experimenting with hooking up 4 patients to a vent. A ton are already doing two, but I haven't heard of 4 being done at a time yet.
I also got an email from one of the states I'm licensed in, apparently they're sending out waivers for practice restrictions for a number of types of medical professions. Allowing people to practice before passing their licensing exams, allowing people to immediately get endorsed to cross state lines, allowing students with certain numbers of clinical hours to begin working.
There's a whole plethora of things they're doing which aren't the safest. But seem like they'll do far more good than bad (some are just cutting down unnecessary tape)
I'm also reading about the possibility colleges getting turned into medical wards. But I don't forsee that happening unless they're convinced this is going to last a LOT longer than we'd all think
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 07:29:55 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2020, 07:36:13 AM
Anyone that voted for Trump or is still defending Trump right now deserves this virus
I mean the most vocal people praising Trump have been DNC leadership 🤷♂️
But Trump unquestionably dropped the ball on this early on. But the worst effected states are blue states with democratic governors.
Honestly the most effective thing to combat this would have been to declare a state of Marshall Law early on, and we all know how freaking stupid and ignorant people are.
Hell thst excrement woukd still be limited in effectiveness. Right now is essential business only, and you still have freaking liquor stores and gamestop open.
Trump was terrible with the start of this. But people are stupid selfish fucks too
Hopefully when this is all done and over the worthless politicians in office can put some kind of system in place to prevent far worse future pandemics from being as bad as they could be
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2020, 08:03:26 AM
I mean the most vocal people praising Trump have been DNC leadership 🤷♂️
Not true. The most vocal people praising Trump has been and will continue to be his supporters.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 21, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
Don't blame the people who voted Trump you dumb fucks and say something you should get your jaw broken for, blame the assholes that put up a demonstrably more unlikeable distasteful candidate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 09:43:36 AM
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Due to the coronavirus crisis, Philadelphia police will no longer be making arrests for all narcotics offenses, theft from persons, retail theft, theft from auto, burglary, vandalism, bench warrants, stolen autos, economic crimes such as passing bad checks, fraud, & prostitution.
Philly sounds fun rn
Post by: guinness77 on March 21, 2020, 10:15:59 AM
That story is from 4 days ago.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
^^^^^
That story is from 4 days ago.
Is the city on fire yet
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:29:49 AM
43% of the US Coronavirus cases are located in NY. Yikes
Nvm, the stat I was citing was from yesterday at 8.5K cases
Update:
“More than 10,000 people in New York State have now tested positive for the novel coronavirus, up by 3,254 since Friday - WNBC“
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 10:43:10 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 21, 2020, 10:58:50 AM
Is the city on fire yetNot yet. I, luckily, don’t work in the city anymore. I work in an environment where I’m sure I could get it but it’s not as bad as working in Manhattan.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2020, 11:31:12 AM
Nvm, the stat I was citing was from yesterday at 8.5K casesThe numbers are going to spike. It's more of a function of testing than the disease spreading in a more rapid fashion. There are a ton of positives just waiting to be confirmed. They didn't get positive this week, they just couldn't get a test.
Update:
“More than 10,000 people in New York State have now tested positive for the novel coronavirus, up by 3,254 since Friday - WNBC“
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Don't blame the people who voted Trump you dumb fucks and say something you should get your jaw broken for, blame the assholes that put up a demonstrably more unlikeable distasteful candidate.
Why not both
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
Marshall Law SZN
(https://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/tvbanners/184411/p184411_b_v8_ad.jpg)
BOUT TIME
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 01:27:37 PM
Reuben's into fat asians
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2464900316/Dem-requests-for-chubby-Asian-chicks_400x400.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 01:54:40 PM
Why not both
QFT
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 02:55:26 PM
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@realDonaldTrump:
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents).....
....be put in use IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE DYING, MOVE FAST, and GOD BLESS EVERYONE! @US_FDA @SteveFDA @CDCgov @DHSgov
Infectious Disease Physician Dr. Edsel Salvana:
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Please don't take hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) plus Azithromycin for #COVID19 UNLESS your doctor prescribes it. Both drugs affect the QT interval of your heart and can lead to arrhythmias and sudden death, especially if you are taking other meds or have a heart condition.
https://twitter.com/edselsalvana/status/1241287878354677760?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
If it gets this bad here, people are just going to blame Trump, when almost everyone is ignoring the message and warnings from Italy
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 03:21:09 PM
https://twitter.com/racheldonadio/status/1241446707587698688?s=21
If it gets this bad here, people are just going to blame Trump, when almost everyone is ignoring the message and warnings from Italy
Nobody will blame the president who hasn't already. Everyone who dismissed this as a liberal hoax will blame liberals for all the hoaxes that distracted them from the non-hoax.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 21, 2020, 03:27:01 PM
Why not both
I guess I should tell you to die in a fire, right?
I didn't even vote for either of them but rhetoric over this is pretty freaking annoying. There's plenty of blame to go around.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 03:47:49 PM
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Health officials in New York, California and other hard-hit parts of the country are restricting coronavirus testing to health care workers and people who are hospitalized, saying the battle to contain the virus is lost and the country is moving into a new phase of the pandemic response.
As cases spike sharply in those places, they are hunkering down for an onslaught, and directing scarce resources where they are needed most to save people’s lives. Instead of encouraging broad testing of the public, they’re focused on conserving masks, ventilators, intensive care beds — and on getting still-limited tests to health care workers and the most vulnerable. The shift is further evidence that rising levels of infection and illness have begun to overwhelm the health care system.
Washington Post
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2020, 05:01:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/the-case-for-shutting-down-almost-everything-and-restarting-when-coronavirus-is-gone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 21, 2020, 06:23:10 PM
https://twitter.com/farbod_e/status/1241247329572683776?s=21
That guy should be president
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 10:27:47 PM
https://twitter.com/EyesLeftPod/status/1241555462610284544?s=19
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2020, 10:55:54 PM
Post by: IATA on March 21, 2020, 11:11:45 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2020, 11:14:06 PM
Post by: reuben on March 21, 2020, 11:45:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Dubeeous/status/1241424303545090053?s=19
https://twitter.com/EyesLeftPod/status/1241555462610284544?s=19
Jesus, that's what everyone was up in arms about? The little kid answer is contradictory and problematic, but how else are you supposed to respond to "Why did a man eat a bat?" That's a joke set-up if I've ever heard one.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 02:13:35 AM
Jesus, that's what everyone was up in arms about? The little kid answer is contradictory and problematic, but how else are you supposed to respond to "Why did a man eat a bat?" That's a joke set-up if I've ever heard one.
I understand it's a valuable marketing/recruitment tool. But the thought of the army having a Twitter is freaking weird
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 06:44:21 AM
This seems counterproductive
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 08:00:23 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 08:51:29 AM
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New York City was hit by the nation’s largest coronavirus jail outbreak to date this week, with at least 38 people testing positive at the notorious Rikers Island complex and nearby facilities — more than half of them incarcerated men, the board that oversees the city’s jail system said Saturday.
Another inmate, meanwhile, became the first in the country to test positive in a federal jail.
In a letter to New York’s criminal justice leaders, Board of Correction interim chairwoman Jacqueline Sherman described a jail system in crisis.
She said in the last week, board members learned that 12 Department of Correction employees, five Correctional Health Services employees, and 21 people in custody at Rikers and city jails had tested positive for the coronavirus.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 22, 2020, 09:48:33 AM
The only thing that I can think of that is close to this level of stupidity and lack of self awareness are the assholes who decided they were just going to run the New York Marathon after Sandy. I’m probably wrong but that was the first thought I had.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2020, 10:39:10 AM
The dumbass kept touching everything in the check-out line (gum, jerky, chips, drinks) but he wasn't buying any of it.
I told him to stop touching everything and he told me it was his right to shop. I told him that he can shop with his eyes and not with his crusty hands. He shut up and stood in line with his hands in his pockets.
I'm not freaking around with these old people right now. Everyone is being stupid, but the elderly are being just as ignorant as young people.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
Almost fought an old man at the grocery store this morning.Make sure to tell him that Brian Winters sucks too.
The dumbass kept touching everything in the check-out line (gum, jerky, chips, drinks) but he wasn't buying any of it.
I told him to stop touching everything and he told me it was his right to shop. I told him that he can shop with his eyes and not with his crusty hands. He shut up and stood in line with his hands in his pockets.
I'm not freaking around with these old people right now. Everyone is being stupid, but the elderly are being just as ignorant as young people.
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
Post by: Pope on March 22, 2020, 11:36:02 AM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.Please stop spreading nonsense. We are all going to die.
Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
Thoughts and prayers
Post by: Miamipuck on March 22, 2020, 11:38:13 AM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.
Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
The first article was excellent, the second not so much.
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2020, 11:47:59 AM
The first article was excellent, the second not so much.
Why do you hate science?
I wish you the best as a fellow Trump supporter. lol
Oh, right...
Post by: Pope on March 22, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 12:12:04 PM
Relationship ended with sixfeetdeep. Johnny English best friend now
Can’t say I can recall a relationship beyond me telling you to freak off, I do remember you talking about throating Mantana Soss on a regular basis though
Post by: Pope on March 22, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
Can’t say I can recall a relationship beyond me telling you to freak off, I do remember you talking about throating Mantana Sosa on a regular basis thoughTo be fair he a snack
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 12:26:36 PM
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 12:47:25 PM
This is why everyone talks excrement about our generationHow do you consistently have the worst take on everything
Post by: Miamipuck on March 22, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
Why do you hate science?
Oh, right...
Lol I was joking.
That second article is just conjecture, excuse me, bad conjecture.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 01:11:18 PM
Something I saw pointed out a day or two ago was that the Diamond Princess was the perfect breeding ground for this; enclosed space full of lots of people, recycled air, and a population that skews much older than the average. Every single person was tested and less than 20% were infected, which would suggest that the level of natural immunity is much higher than some corners would have you believe, and the statistical projections of 60-70% of a country's population possibly becoming infected seem to be unsupported by actual facts.
Editing to add a couple of interesting articles about the Diamond Princess:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate
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Field Briefing: Diamond Princess COVID-19 Cases
Background:
A cruise ship, named the Diamond Princess, had travel that originated in Yokohama on 20 January and included stops in Japan (Kagoshima), Hong Kong, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan (Okinawa), before arriving back in Yokohama on 3 February. During this time, a passenger who disembarked on 25 January in Hong Kong, has presented with cough since 19 23 Jan and was confirmed positive for Novel coronavirus on 1 February. The Japanese government requested that the Diamond Princess stay at port, with no passengers or crew disembarking, in Yokohama when it arrived on 3 February. During 3-4 February, health status of all passengers and crew members were checked by questionnaire by quarantine officers, and respiratory specimens were taken from symptomatic passengers, crew, and their close contacts to test for Novel coronavirus. On 5 February, a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19 led to the quarantine of the Diamond Princess for 14 days beginning at 7am, with passengers requested to stay in their cabins. As of 5 February, there was a total of 3711 individuals on board the Diamond Princess, with 2666 passengers and 1045 crew members.
They got their first positive test on 2/1, they started testing the population of the ship the next few days and locked down the ship by 2/5. That response time and severity of measures taken isn’t comparable to what happened in countries like Italy, Spain, and the US.
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
They got their first positive test on 2/1, they started testing the population of the ship the next few days and locked down the ship by 2/5. That response time and severity of measures taken isn’t comparable to what happened in countries like Italy, Spain, and the US.
Infections don't wait to start happening after the first positive test comes in. The fact that they were testing means that someone was ill, and given incubation is anywhere from 2-7 days they were busy spreading it all over the ship prior to falling ill and being tested.
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 02:36:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/anp1ESD.png)
Counter resets daily. That's new cases from the last reset (4am? Where are we in relation to GMT?)
The good news is that this isn't an indicator of how fast the virus is growing; just an indicator that we're finally testing an already infected population. Still... yikes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 02:50:50 PM
From worldometers.info/coronavirus/
(https://i.imgur.com/anp1ESD.png)
Counter resets daily. That's new cases from the last reset (4am? Where are we in relation to GMT?)
The good news is that this isn't an indicator of how fast the virus is growing; just an indicator that we're finally testing an already infected population. Still... yikes.
Italy is crazy right now, and Spain seems to be trending that way
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51930856
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 02:58:04 PM
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Moscow (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin said this week his country managed to stop the mass spread of coronavirus -- and that the situation was "under control," thanks to early and aggressive measures to keep more people from getting the disease.
Does Russia have coronavirus under control? According to information released by Russian officials, Putin's strategy seems to have worked. The number of confirmed Russian coronavirus cases is surprisingly low, despite Russia sharing a lengthy border with China and recording its first case back in January.
The numbers are picking up, but Russia -- a country of 146 million people -- has fewer confirmed cases than Luxembourg, with just 253 people infected. Luxembourg, by contrast, has a population of just 628,000, according to the CIA World Factbook, and by Saturday had reported 670 coronavirus cases with eight deaths.
Russia's early response measures -- such as shutting down its 2,600-mile border with China as early as January 30, and setting up quarantine zones -- may have contributed to the delay of a full-blown outbreak, some experts say.
A strong record on testing
"The director-general of WHO said 'test, test, test,'" Dr. Melita Vujnovic, the World Health Organization's representative in Russia, told CNN Thursday. "Well, Russia started that literally at the end of January."
Vujnovic said Russia also took a broader set of measures in addition to testing.
"Testing and identification of cases, tracing contacts, isolation, these are all measures that WHO proposes and recommends, and they were in place all the time," she said. "And the social distancing is the second component that really also started relatively early."
Rospotrebnadzor, Russia's state consumer watchdog, said Saturday that it had run more than 156,000 coronavirus tests in total. By comparison, according to CDC figures, the United States only picked up the pace in testing at the beginning of March, while Russia says it has been testing en masse since early February, including in airports, focusing on travelers from Iran, China, and South Korea.
That's not to say there were no holes in Russia's defenses. Russia didn't start testing those arriving from Italy or other badly affected EU countries immediately, limiting its controls for arrivals from Europe to taking temperatures and imposing two-week quarantines. The majority of the coronavirus cases reported in Russia were brought from Italy, according to health officials.
CNN
This could all be lies but it’s an interesting comparison.
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
“Is Iran covering up its outbreak?”Obviously, because they are an official Bad Guy country, where COVID deaths are the result of their evil leaders doing evil things, as opposed to Good Guy countries where COVID deaths are just an oopsie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51930856
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 03:15:13 PM
Obviously, because they are an official Bad Guy country, where COVID deaths are the result of their evil leaders doing evil things, as opposed to Good Guy countries where COVID deaths are just an oopsie.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2#fang-was-arrested-on-february-10-14
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2#fang-was-arrested-on-february-10-14Official Bad Guy Country Participation Certificate
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 03:50:52 PM
https://twitter.com/nbcla/status/1241516009569148928?s=21
Lol
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 03:56:59 PM
https://twitter.com/nbcla/status/1241516009569148928?s=21
Lol
Oh thank god, sports.
Can we talk about bald white guy in game two? What an absolute liability. Low effort, zero awareness, and he appears to be wearing a North Face vest? Unbelievable. Cut him.
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 04:13:27 PM
Obviously, because they are an official Bad Guy country, where COVID deaths are the result of their evil leaders doing evil things, as opposed to Good Guy countries where COVID deaths are just an oopsie.
Or you know, the country that was building mass graves two weeks ago, where they claimed they had 400 deaths, and yet two weeks later, they somehow only have 1,500 deaths attributable to the virus.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 04:53:42 PM
We've seen it in every country, and people just flat out don't give a excrement. And then want to blame their eladwrs for the results
(that's not to suggest that most of these countries didn't handle it pee poorly. Just that freaking retards don't accept any responsibility for their own behaviors)
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 05:53:19 PM
I just find it interesting that people continously blame leadership (of all countries) for this. When it's blatantly obvious that the biggest issue worldwide is people are ignorant freaking idiots.
We've seen it in every country, and people just flat out don't give a excrement. And then want to blame their eladwrs for the results
(that's not to suggest that most of these countries didn't handle it pee poorly. Just that freaking retards don't accept any responsibility for their own behaviors)
I think the response to the South Korean government's handling of the crisis has been universally positive.
You can't just throw up your hands and say, "Gee whiz, people are stupid." Of course we're stupid, that's why we need governance to begin with.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
I think the response to the South Korean government's handling of the crisis has been universally positive.
You can't just throw up your hands and say, "Gee whiz, people are stupid." Of course we're stupid, that's why we need governance to begin with.
Well I'm assuming purely off stereotyping that Asians are far more disciplined than Italians and Americans.
And I don't think the govt should throw their hands up and do nothing. And I've said long ago I think Obama would have done a better job than Trump by far.
But I think people just want someone to blame. And don't want to take any responsibility for themselves.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 22, 2020, 06:13:59 PM
Well I'm assuming purely off stereotyping that Asians are far more disciplined than Italians and Americans.
lmao
Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 06:19:53 PM
Rand Paul got the rona
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Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 06:29:31 PM
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Post by: reuben on March 22, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 07:09:56 PM
Or you know, the country that was building mass graves two weeks ago, where they claimed they had 400 deaths, and yet two weeks later, they somehow only have 1,500 deaths attributable to the virus.Gee I wonder why Iran might have trouble getting medical supplies. No grainy satellite photos to answer that one.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Well I'm assuming purely off stereotyping that Asians are far more disciplined than Italians and Americans.
Is dcm just Tommy’s burner?
MY COLUMN:
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
Gee I wonder why Iran might have trouble getting medical supplies. No grainy satellite photos to answer that one.
oh so I guess it's cool for them to lie about their numbers because amerikkka bad
Post by: IATA on March 22, 2020, 07:14:50 PM
IATA is a piece of like
thats fair
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
Is dcm just Tommy’s burner?
MY COLUMN:
At least I was honest about it
Plus it's the US govt who perpetuated that stereotype intentionally
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 07:56:54 PM
This is amazing
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 08:47:37 PM
oh so I guess it's cool for them to lie about their numbers because amerikkka badWell how else would you describe our sanctions directly making their death toll higher? Seems... bad.
I know your kneejerk reaction is to dismiss any criticism of our country as silly edginess so it's ok if you just want to stick with that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 09:17:37 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 22, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
On one hand they crossed thresholds for nuclear weaponization and is a serious threat to global security. But to effectively fuel genocide by barricade of essential supplies during a pandemic is fucked up as well. An ideal solution would be a compromise where they can get relief and ease the world's tensions about nuclear armament. But I imagine both parties are too freaking stubborn to do that.
I have little doubt that if the US offered to allow full global aid to Iran if they disassembled their nuclear program they'd absolutely deny it. But to punish innocent civilians for thst isn't right either
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 22, 2020, 09:56:07 PM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Well how else would you describe our sanctions directly making their death toll higher? Seems... bad.
I know your kneejerk reaction is to dismiss any criticism of our country as silly edginess so it's ok if you just want to stick with that.
You can criticize the US for plenty of things, but your kneejerk reaction to blame the US for Iran covering up their death toll is utter idiocy. US sanctions on Iran being wrong or hurting them is a separate thing and irrelevant to the main point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 11:06:51 PM
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@realDonaldTrump:
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
Man of the people
Post by: Jumbo on March 22, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
Man of the people
why are boomers always yelling
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
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And if you’re in Belmar (or Bradley Beach or Spring Lake or anywhere close)? Please consider ordering from Federico’s on Main Street. Throw in the chicken wings and some garlic knots and some penne with vodka sauce. Keep ordering, because owners Bryan and Michael Morin did something so generous last week, they deserve some good karma -- and, more importantly, greenbacks -- headed their way.
When Gov. Phil Murphy ordered that restaurants close their dining rooms, they knew that they would no longer need most of their employees with the decline in business that was certain to follow. But they also believed that it was unfair to the men and women they considered their second family to hand them pink slips during these tumultuous times.
So Bryan Morin went to the bank, took out a $50,000 line of credit, and made the 20 employees on Federico’s payroll a promise: No matter what happens over the next two months, they would still receive a paycheck.
“My father told us a long time ago: You’ve got to take care of your employees first, because without those employees, you don’t have a business at all,” Morin said. “I definitely owe them a debt -- even if it means I might go into debt.”
Think about that. At a time when hundreds of thousands of waiters, dishwashers and other restaurant employees around the country are losing their jobs, Morin is writing checks to his staff even at a time when he knows his bottom line is going to suffer significantly.
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 12:05:13 AM
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the areaI would if I were to visit my parents!
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 12:51:28 AM
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area
Don't know how well their financial situation is or if it's a hopeful marketing gimmick. But with this being a holocaust for restaurants across the country. It's possible that this move makes all those employees permanently lose those jobs.
That said it's completely commendable regardless, but definitely a huge risk unless they're swimming in cash
Post by: Pope on March 23, 2020, 01:27:31 AM
Don't know how well their financial situation is or if it's a hopeful marketing gimmick. But with this being a holocaust for restaurants across the country. It's possible that this move makes all those employees permanently lose those jobs.When someone is holding a pistol to my head for a case of water I will defiantly stand my ground and tell them to flatten the curve
That said it's completely commendable regardless, but definitely a huge risk unless they're swimming in cash
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 01:28:45 AM
When someone is holding a pistol to my head for a case of water I will defiantly stand my ground and tell them to flatten the curve
Yes
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 04:53:26 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 05:08:23 AM
https://deadline.com/2020/03/coronavirus-harvey-weinstein-positive-test-prision-1202889800/
This prison situation is going to be insanely fucked
I wouldn't want to have any part of the decision making for this process. No matter what they do they're going to get attacked and heavily criticized. There's no resources, no tests, no personell. And suddenly you have to deal with a massive amount of potential carriers who have no place to go, no jobs,, and all are potentially carrying a deadly easily transmitted disease
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 07:32:09 AM
When someone is holding a pistol to my head for a case of water I will defiantly stand my ground and tell them to flatten the curve
Stop spreading hysteria
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 07:33:17 AM
Post by: steves850 on March 23, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 08:44:25 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
https://twitter.com/c4dispatches/status/1241803403619172359?s=21
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 23, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
Belmar NJ. Sounds like a great place to support if you’re in the area
My GF is 10 min from this place. Never tried it before, but will now.
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
trump refuses to use the DPA because businesses dont want him to. national security at risk, but this retard refuses to do the necesarry.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
In other news, 2 perfectly good kids for sale/free on ebay shortly.
BREAKING: Virginia Governor Ralph Northam has issued a statewide stay at home order today at 2 pm EST due to the pandemic. He has followed states such California and New York. Please stay indoors, for yourself and others. #Covd_19
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 03:18:53 PM
Can't stop The Merk.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
Residents can only leave home to shop for basic necessities, for one form of exercise per day, for medical needs, and to travel to and from work when necessary.
3 week lockdown; enforceable by fine
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis says he won't issue a "shelter in place" order in Florida right now, calling it "not advisable." - WPTV
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2020, 05:09:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/D247TPQq-rs
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A Bills fan
Bury him under the jail
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 05:09:33 PM
Should have been Gillum.
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Don’t disagree, but I’m pretty sure Gillum is busy doing meth off of male prostitutes boners
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 05:11:04 PM
A Bills fan
Bury him under the jail
Might be the worst bills fan I’ve ever seen
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2020, 05:14:58 PM
Don’t disagree, but I’m pretty sure Gillum is busy doing meth off of male prostitutes boners
hahahaha
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:23:30 PM
Big Dummy is up there touting drugs he knows nothing about hoping that the Dow Jones goes up before the election. Hope I'm wrong.
Also Bill Barr looks like Droopy the Dog.
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 05:26:56 PM
Fauci is not at this press conference. Wonder if Trump is pushing against the social distancing stance to get the economy going and Fauci told him to freak off. Maybe not "freak off", but told him he wouldn't stand with him if he did that.
Big Dummy is up there touting drugs he knows nothing about hoping that the Dow Jones goes up before the election. Hope I'm wrong.
Also Bill Barr looks like Deputy Dog.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488961-fauci-on-trump-coronavirus-comments-i-cant-jump-in-front-of-the
I imagine Trump will fire Fauci shortly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 05:31:54 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488961-fauci-on-trump-coronavirus-comments-i-cant-jump-in-front-of-theThis is the link to the interview that the Hill was citing. Was a fascinating interview.
I imagine Trump will fire Fauci shortly.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488961-fauci-on-trump-coronavirus-comments-i-cant-jump-in-front-of-theHe'll probably just ignore him until he quits or assign him to be the Head Immunologist of Anchorage.
I imagine Trump will fire Fauci shortly.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 05:34:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
This is the link to the interview that the Hill was citing. Was a fascinating interview.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Thank you, it was.
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 05:43:22 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
The idea of reopening our economy is nice, but it's just going to crash our hospitals again, and many intelligent people will still socially distance themselves, so it's not like the economy is just going to bounce back. The economy is screwed either way.
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 05:58:23 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 06:15:57 PM
You say again, as if they aren't already totally fucked and overwhelmed.Very true. I guess the question is do we want them to be 800% fucked or 2000% fucked?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 06:16:40 PM
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 06:36:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/D247TPQq-rs
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Honestly, I fully expected this do be an "I'm gonna lick all the personal care items" video and I was kinda relieved that it was just a "I'm proud to be stupid" video.
We've earned this virus.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signals-growing-weariness-with-social-distancing-and-other-steps-advocated-by-health-officials/2020/03/23/0920ea0a-6cfc-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html
The idea of reopening our economy is nice, but it's just going to crash our hospitals again, and many intelligent people will still socially distance themselves, so it's not like the economy is just going to bounce back. The economy is screwed either way.
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt a decent amount of the time. But he's a freaking idiot. If he's just trying to signal confidence to the stock market to curb the mass selling/crashing of the stock market fine. I can understand that.
But if he's legitimately going to encourage people to return to business as usual "very soon" then he'd an absolute poopchute.
Not to mention many governors will flag out defy him and tell him to freak off
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt a decent amount of the time. But he's a freaking idiot. If he's just trying to signal confidence to the stock market to curb the mass selling/crashing of the stock market fine. I can understand that.Anyone who is actually smart can see right through him. He sounds like a 7th grader trying to bluff his way through an oral book report he didn't know he needed to have until 5 minutes beforehand.
But if he's legitimately going to encourage people to return to business as usual "very soon" then he'd an absolute poopchute.
Not to mention many governors will flag out defy him and tell him to freak off
There are no easy answers to this. This is as hard a dilemma any president has faced in a long, long time. But Trump gives zero confidence.
I wonder if this is just a political ploy, since he realizes most governors in blue states will just blow him off. Then when the economy doesn't improve, he will blame the democrats.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
Anyone who is actually smart can see right through him. He sounds like a 7th grader trying to bluff his way through an oral book report he didn't know he needed to have until 5 minutes beforehand.
There are no easy answers to this. This is as hard a dilemma any president has faced in a long, long time. But Trump gives zero confidence.
I wonder if this is just a political ploy, since he realizes most governors in blue states will just blow him off. Then when the economy doesn't improve, he will blame the democrats.
That does sound like a fairly intelligent idea
Therefore I highly doubt that's his intention. That's something Dick Cheney would have done masterfully
Trumps probably just watching way too much CNBC and foxbusiness and tweeting out things that he thinks will "fix" the problem
Post by: guinness77 on March 23, 2020, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt a decent amount of the time. But he's a freaking idiot. If he's just trying to signal confidence to the stock market to curb the mass selling/crashing of the stock market fine. I can understand that.What if he saves us cap space though?
But if he's legitimately going to encourage people to return to business as usual "very soon" then he'd an absolute poopchute.
Not to mention many governors will flag out defy him and tell him to freak off
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
What if he saves us cap space though?
If the fucker gets me paid I'm in
Soon as I go all in on the market Trumps gonna be my dude for the next 4 years
Till then fuckers gotta keep us from killing each other
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 07:43:54 PM
If the gets me paid I'm in..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200324/01cb3ac56fde6d49d0cf198b859343a7.gif)
Soon as I go all in on the market Trumps gonna be my dude for the next 4 years
Till then fuckers gotta keep us from killing each other
Post by: Pope on March 23, 2020, 07:47:38 PM
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 10:49:23 PM
its really weird to have typed that sentence.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1242195947167404034
seriously tho, that was a great speech by boris. he was clear in what they were doing, and why. he was honest, people will die and it wont be easy. hes providing support for the people who need it. he gave hope to the uk that they would get through it.
and then you have the united states....
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 11:01:22 PM
not a fan of the green rules being shoved in there, seems like a needless point of contention.
its nice to see theyre both including language to prevent cutoffs of services. i work for an isp and were still doing cutoffs, which i greatly disagree with and was shutdown in a meeting about. its bullshit
the open-ended foodbank budget is just another fight waiting to happen.
the voting stuff, while needed, is obviously not happening if the gop get their way.
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 11:15:47 PM
boris johnson doing the needful, must be nice to have a leader who has a clue, huh americaJohnson dropped the ball badly and they're way behind most other countries on addressing this, please don't hold him up as some kind of example to aspire to. On this or anything else.
its really weird to have typed that sentence.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1242195947167404034
seriously tho, that was a great speech by boris. he was clear in what they were doing, and why. he was honest, people will die and it wont be easy. hes providing support for the people who need it. he gave hope to the uk that they would get through it.
and then you have the united states....
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 11:18:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2020, 11:31:08 PM
110% agree, but when you look at the response down south and the comparisons between these 2 idiots...I couldn't help myself friendLet's just hold Justin a little bit tighter tonight.
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 12:02:25 AM
110% agree, but when you look at the response down south and the comparisons between these 2 idiots...I couldn't help myself friendI don’t disagree with you at all.
“We’re not a country that shuts down. I’m thinking weeks...”
I’m so tired of the greed that runs this country. No full shutdown = this excrement never stops. This country is too stupid and entitled to abide to a shutdown order anyway and then chaos really starts.
There are so many things I want to say right now, but no way I could coherently project them with a level head right now.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 12:59:34 AM
I don’t disagree with you at all.
“We’re not a country that shuts down. I’m thinking weeks...”
I’m so tired of the greed that runs this country. No full shutdown = this excrement never stops. This country is too stupid and entitled to abide to a shutdown order anyway and then chaos really starts.
There are so many things I want to say right now, but no way I could coherently project them with a level head right now.
While I think we have to have a full shutdown
If you look at that chart Pope posted I can understand the hesitancy with it a prolonged shutdown is going to pit businesses out of business on a scale nwver seen since the great depression.
And we could be looking at the nastiest depression since. Of course it's very possible we have that kinda depression if we do shut down as well
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 01:12:50 AM
While I think we have to have a full shutdownYou’re talking about about millions of lives here. This isn’t the Depression. We’re gonna be in a Depression anyway at this point, who cares? This is worse. The Depression wasn’t a virus. This manaic of a president has to realize we are past this caring about opinion excrement. The only way this virus stops spreading is to keep people in their homes.
If you look at that chart Pope posted I can understand the hesitancy with it a prolonged shutdown is going to pit businesses out of business on a scale nwver seen since the great depression.
And we could be looking at the nastiest depression since. Of course it's very possible we have that kinda depression if we do shut down as well
I don’t care if it takes the military. Stop caring about money, put them in places snd press pause for 2 weeks. Just like China did. Just like Italy did.
We need to stop caring about money and the economy and care about people. 2 weeks is necessary. Identify the problem, isolate the people that have it, keep everyone else home. Stop caring about money for a minute. Do what’s right. Do what your doctors recommend.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 01:46:31 AM
You’re talking about about millions of lives here. This isn’t the Depression. We’re gonna be in a Depression anyway at this point, who cares? This is worse. The Depression wasn’t a virus. This manaic of a president has to realize we are past this caring about opinion excrement. The only way this virus stops spreading is to keep people in their homes.
I don’t care if it takes the military. Stop caring about money, put them in places snd press pause for 2 weeks. Just like China did. Just like Italy did.
We need to stop caring about money and the economy and care about people. 2 weeks is necessary. Identify the problem, isolate the people that have it, keep everyone else home. Stop caring about money for a minute. Do what’s right. Do what your doctors recommend.
Millions of lives?
15,000 people have died on the whole planet
Yes its a very serious disease, but we're not approaching the millions of lives conversation. Hell I think it's fairly unlikely it hits 100,000
But I do agree we need to shut excrement down. But things need to be kept in context
And we have to see if shutting it down even works. I think the world needs to work together to get through this. China got passed it. But has had several new infections all from people coming from out of the country. So hypothetically even if we shut everything down for 15 days and jt all went away, we could instantly have another wave from out of the country.
Barring a cure or vaccine, the entire world needs to work together to end coronavirus
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 01:52:03 AM
Millions of lives?I never said millions die. Millions will be affected. But, does anyone know how this ends? You know how many people are still working. I still have to work and I saw a vape shop open at 4pm. And, still open at 12:30am. A freaking vape shop?? Car dealerships are still open. Bodegas are still open. People still congregating in public places.
15,000 people have died on the whole planet
Yes its a very serious disease, but we're not approaching the millions of lives conversation. Hell I think it's fairly unlikely it hits 100,000
But I do agree we need to shut excrement down. But things need to be kept in context
This excrement is going nowhere. It’s on one person to stop it. Get the right military in place...and shut it down.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 02:12:40 AM
I never said millions die. Millions will be affected. But, does anyone know how this ends? You know how many people are still working. I still have to work and I saw a vape shop open at 4pm. And, still open at 12:30am. A freaking vape shop?? Car dealerships are still open. Bodegas are still open. People still congregating in public places.
This excrement is going nowhere. It’s on one person to stop it. Get the right military in place...and shut it down.
I mean by thst logic billions will be affected by the economy.
But I saw some republican (governor?) of Texas saying something like grandparents would be happy to save their grandchildrens economy.
I think the Republicans have gone full blown freaking retard. If they wanted to try to make the argument (good luck) that more people will die from a bad economy than coronavirus that's one thing. But this is absolutely moronic stupid freaking talk. And I do think it stems from Trump.
I supportive a laissez-faire attitude about big businesses. But this recent republican administration has definitely moved me to the left. American politics is a far worse disease than coronavirus
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 07:30:15 AM
Even though Chuck Schumer is supposed to be from NY he clearly acted like a freaking poopchute, with a ton of Republicans to follow suit.
If just one person in senate or congress has Corona before all of their nonsensical meetings this whole thing might be worth it
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/23/senate-coronavirus-rescue-package-144233
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 09:35:07 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 09:56:55 AM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?Because, for the most part, they’re a reflection of their constituents. And, in the hip pocket of their campaign contributors.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 09:57:18 AM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?
Because people still vote for them in droves despite the fact they’re obvious pieces of excrement?
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
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Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.), known for his folksy demeanor and dry humor, later poked fun at the seeming absurdity of what had transpired on the Senate floor.
“You know what the American people are thinking right now? They're thinking that the brain is an amazing organ. It starts working in a mother's womb, and it doesn’t stop working until you get elected to Congress,” he said, later adding: “This country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by a bunch of idiots.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 10:34:37 AM
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Mayor Bill de Blasio has blamed President Trump for the city’s severe shortage of COVID-19 supplies even though City Hall didn’t secure its first order for emergency protective gear until March 6, The Post has learned.
Officials with the city’s Office of Emergency Management tried to purchase nearly 200,000 n95 masks on Feb. 7, but weeks later they learned the vendors had already run out.
It was not until March 6 and March 10 — over two months after the coronavirus outbreak first hit China — that they finally secured the first emergency procurements of masks and hand sanitizer, according to the city comptroller’s office.
“Our city is the epicenter of this outbreak in the United States, and we are lacking supplies because the mayor didn’t notice until two weeks ago?” fumed City Councilman Chaim Deutsch.
“We ought to have been prepared for this. Blaming Trump is an easy way to avoid hard questions, but it exposes a distinct lack of management on the part of this administration,” the Brooklyn Democrat said.
A City Hall spokeswoman said on Feb. 7, the city’s Office of Emergency Management tried to purchase nearly 200,000 N95 masks, but regular vendors had already run out. She added that the Health Department had already stockpiled 19 million surgical masks and said there have been no payment delays.
Comptroller Scott Stringer granted approval for the early March orders of masks and hand sanitizer the same day, but a medical supply vendor who has standing city contracts told The Post that initial requests for protective gear from the Department of Citywide Administrative Services were mired in bureaucratic red tape.
It took the agency an average of 72 hours to complete an order, he said.
“We’d send them a list of products we can deliver within 24, 48 hours,” said the head of one of the medical supply companies, who declined to be named for fear of jeopardizing his current contracts.
“The private sector is knocking on our door all day, every day. We have every hospital facility from Buffalo to across the country chasing us for the same product — N95 masks, surgical masks, gloves, hand sanitizer — and the city just moves so slow, I mean it’s a joke,” he said.
His company started stocking up on supplies in January and he works with a Chinese manufacturer that’s operating at 100 percent capacity.
He said the city missed out on eight of 10 supply orders because DCAS blew payment deadlines.
“I personally live in the city. It’s just a shame to see the city move at the pace they’re moving. It’s just an embarrassment,” the supplier said.
“For the private sector, we’ve been selling and pushing product in the last four weeks and the city woke up two weeks ago,” the exec said.
A city spokeswoman said there were no payment delays.
The comptroller’s office approved 12 emergency contracts totaling $150 million before the mayor suspended procurement rules on March 16 and took over the process.
During his City Hall press briefing Thursday, de Blasio assured NYPD and other first responders, who’ve complained about a lack of protective equipment, that he’s tried everything in his power to marshal supplies.
“We will do everything we can to get every conceivable supply of protective equipment from anywhere in the nation that we can on the private market and get it directly to you,” he said.
But, he added, Trump “has to give the order to get the federal government to get you what you deserve.”
Nick Benson, a DCAS spokesman, said the city maintains a three-month supply of gloves, cleaning products and hand sanitizer.
Since the outbreak, the city has ordered 25 million masks, 2 million bottles of sanitizer, 12,000 thermometers and 2,000 ventilators. Turnaround times “vary significantly,” Benson said.
“There is enormous demand for these and other products, but the City of New York is leveraging existing contracts with vendors to obtain supplies. When a vendor is unable to provide the quantity we need, we have identified other vendors. In many cases, vendors are shipping goods as soon as they’re manufactured,” Benson added.
On Thursday, de Blasio said if the federal government doesn’t send 3 million more N95 masks, 50 million more surgical masks, 15,000 ventilators and 45 million surgical gowns, coveralls, gloves and face shields by April, the city could run out of these supplies.
NYPost
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 10:40:09 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
He's the worst mayor since Dinkens and maybe worse, he's freaking atrocious and I am not sure how he got reelected.I’ve said this numerous times...he won because he’s a Democrat. You could run Bozo the Clown as a Democrat and run him against John McCain or (insert any remotely popular Republicans name here) and Bozo would win at least 65>35% of the vote.
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 11:25:20 AM
Something something free market efficiency.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3
Seems like the current system needs addressing, but I’m curious where the supplies that the federal govt orders end up and who makes those decisions based on what criteria. Haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
My boss just said during our department conference call that we all need to be prepared to return to the office next week. The silence on the call was deafening.
I may choose to take a vacation. And maybe use that time to find other employment. I really can't fathom the ridiculous idea that "saving the economy" takes priority over surviving this crisis and not putting the lives of our loved ones at risk. But hey, I guess that's why I'll never be rich.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:36:26 AM
Something something free market efficiency.MEH squared
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-outbid-states-on-medical-supplies-2020-3)
This from the Wall street Journal:
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And indeed the president has also said that if the states find themselves outbid by the federal government, he would give the states priority because they are closer to the problem and have a better idea where the real need is.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/business-makes-war-on-coronavirus-11585004754?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s (https://www.wsj.com/articles/business-makes-war-on-coronavirus-11585004754?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s)
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Of all the coronavirus nightmares, the one most haunting doctors, governors and hospital administrators is finding themselves without enough ventilators to go around. When a patient can’t breathe on his own, a ventilator moves air in and out of his lungs. For a Covid-19 patient in critical care, a ventilator can be the one thing standing between him and certain death.
But in a shortage, who lives and who dies could become a coin toss. If there’s only one ventilator and three people need it, who’s the lucky winner? The 80-year-old grandmother in otherwise perfect health? The 65-year-old father of four with diabetes? Or the 70-year-old retired doctor or nurse who’s just come back into service to help defeat the virus? There are two ways to address shortages. The first is by reducing demand, which in this case means trying to prevent the number of people infected from ever reaching the point of overwhelming the hospitals’ ability to treat them. This is why we have quarantines, shelter-in-place orders and self-distancing.The other is to boost supply.
On Friday Vice President Mike Pence announced that his team had identified “tens of thousands” of ventilators that can be “retrofitted and converted” to treat people with Covid-19. Unfortunately, it still may not be enough: Gov. Andrew Cuomo says New York alone may need 30,000 ventilators—more than five times what it now has. Which is why President Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act in hope of enlisting American manufacturers in the effort to ramp up production of ventilators and other badly needed medical items.“
It won’t be easy or overnight,” says Chris Kiple, “but it can be done.” Mr. Kiple is CEO of Seattle-based Ventec Life Systems. He says Ventec is one of about a dozen players in the global market for ventilators, only about half of which are U.S.-based companies.The smart governors, Mr. Kiple adds, have already been out shopping for the ventilators they need.
Certainly Mr. Cuomo has made it clear that he is. But countries such as Italy and China have been placing orders for a while, giving them a jump on the U.S.There are some technical challenges to rapid expansion. Ventilators aren’t one-size-fits-all.
There are huge ventilators for hospital intensive-care units. Others are battery powered and portable. Ventec is unusual, its CEO says, because its VOCSN ventilator is not only portable but multifunctional. In addition to ventilation, it includes an oxygen concentrator, a cough assist, a hospital-grade suction system and a nebulizer. It can be used from hospitals to homes.
Supply lines present a further challenge. Some parts, Mr. Kiple allows, might be made with a three-dimensional printer. But not an entire ventilator. And even if manufacturing is rapidly scaled up, it won’t mean anything unless provisions are also made to train the many thousands of new respiratory therapists needed to run the machines.But even this isn’t the biggest problem.“The biggest problem,” Mr. Kiple says, “is that no one knows how many ventilators we need.”Given the cost—ventilators run from roughly $25,000 to $50,000—no one is going to risk producing thousands that go unsold or buying thousands that go unused. If there’s a role for government, it’s probably to help set a number for how many are needed, and then provide a guarantee to manufacturers for any they can’t sell or to hospitals for any but end up not needing.That’ll cost taxpayers a pile of money. But it is at least targeted to a defined need.
Mr. Kiple says if the White House and hospitals want to see ventilators produced and deployed quickly, the orders need to come in now.The good news, he says, is that players in the private sector, he says, have already been in touch with one another to see how they might team up. Before coronavirus hit, Ventec’s peak output was roughly 150 ventilators a month. Now his team is working around the clock to boost that to 1,000 within the next 90 days.They are not stopping there. On Friday Ventec announced it will work in partnership with General Motors (https://quotes.wsj.com/GM).
The idea is to combine GM’s experience of mass-production manufacturing with Ventec’s technology. Mr. Kiple says the partnership will mean getting “more ventilators to more hospitals much faster.” The president tweeted Sunday: “Go for it auto execs.”
Meanwhile, Mr. Trump has been vague about how exactly he intends to use the powers of the Defense Production Act. Right now he appears to want to require companies like Ventec to turn over the ventilators they make—and the federal government will distribute them. But there may be better ways.
And indeed the president has also said that if the states find themselves outbid by the federal government, he would give the states priority because they are closer to the problem and have a better idea where the real need is.
As for Mr. Kiple, he says business is stepping up to the challenge. “There are many unknowns about this pandemic,” he says. “The only known is that every ventilator available has the potential to save lives.”Write to mcgurn@wsj.com.
Post by: Jumbo on March 24, 2020, 11:37:43 AM
I've been home since Friday (thankfully) and my heart goes out to anyone who isn't, or hasn't been able to, stay home.
My boss just said during our department conference call that we all need to be prepared to return to the office next week. The silence on the call was deafening.
I may choose to take a vacation. And maybe use that time to find other employment. I really can't fathom the ridiculous idea that "saving the economy" takes priority over surviving this crisis and not putting the lives of our loved ones at risk. But hey, I guess that's why I'll never be rich.
The economic effects of a prolonged quarantine will be profoundly terrible, and depressed economies lead to things like increased suicide rates and poorer health. That's not to say everyone should go back to work immediately, but a poor economy will also lead to negative health outcomes - it's something that will need to be balanced.
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
MEH squared
This from the Wall street Journal:
So then the question is begged as to why the feds and states are getting into bidding contests against each other for urgently needed medical supplies.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:49:40 AM
The economic effects of a prolonged quarantine will be profoundly terrible, and depressed economies lead to things like increased suicide rates and poorer health. That's not to say everyone should go back to work immediately, but a poor economy will also lead to negative health outcomes - it's something that will need to be balanced.
I've said this from the beginning: if I work till I get sick and die, it doesn't matter that I still had a job. There will be jobs in the aftermath. The only question is who will be willing to do them.
Sorry not sorry about feeling nothing for rich dudes' bottom lines in the end. I've made the decision to pay rent or eat before. I can do it again. Let's see if Trump and his ilk can.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:56:08 AM
So then the question is begged as to why the feds and states are getting into bidding contests against each other for urgently needed medical supplies.
Get the orders in , get the needed products made and then worry about where they are needed most. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me in a crisis such as this. There should be better communication and leadership but I have said that from the getgo. As long as it's getting done, I can worry ab out that excrement later.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:57:35 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 12:01:57 PM
Get the orders in , get the needed products made and then worry about where they are needed most. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me in a crisis such as this. There should be better communication and leadership but I have said that from the getgo. As long as it's getting done, I can worry ab out that excrement later.
Which doesn't actually answer my question, but OK.
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 12:02:37 PM
Free Pornhub Premium for everyone (https://www.pornhub.com/stayhome)
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 12:04:20 PM
Which doesn't actually answer my question, but OK.
I did answer it. Let me make it bigger and bolded so you can see what I mean clearly:
Poor communication and leadership.
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
I did answer it. Let me make it bigger and bolded so you can see what I mean clearly:
Poor communication and leadership.
Hmm. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt that's all there is to it. After all, if I'm manufacturing a scarce good then you'd better believe I'm playing bidders off against each other to drive the price up and I don't really care if the ultimate consumer is the same regardless of its route there.
Like I said to start with, got to love that market efficiency.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 12:10:46 PM
My President
Post by: guinness77 on March 24, 2020, 12:20:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-Hpy8_JCVU/?igshid=fjccvuqdxl06I don’t disagree with him at all.
My President
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2020, 12:34:23 PM
I've been home since Friday (thankfully) and my heart goes out to anyone who isn't, or hasn't been able to, stay home.
My boss just said during our department conference call that we all need to be prepared to return to the office next week. The silence on the call was deafening.
I may choose to take a vacation. And maybe use that time to find other employment. I really can't fathom the ridiculous idea that "saving the economy" takes priority over surviving this crisis and not putting the lives of our loved ones at risk. But hey, I guess that's why I'll never be rich.
Speaking impartially, but based on this post, i've come to the conclusion that your boss is a freaking imbecile.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
Speaking impartially, but based on this post, i've come to the conclusion that your boss is a freaking imbecile.
Lol
More just someone who thinks business is more important than safety.
Actually, she doesn't seem to think the problem is as bad as "they" make it out to be in the first place.
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
Lol
More just someone who thinks business is more important than safety.
Actually, she doesn't seem to think the problem is as bad as "they" make it out to be in the first place.
I stand by my assessment even moreso now.
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
im never going back into that office
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 03:27:19 PM
my office just announced were all remote indefinitely, until may at the earliest.
im never going back into that office
Yeah, we got told yesterday that our optional WFH was no longer optional and that the office was now closed, not that anyone has been going there.
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 03:30:10 PM
btw, pray you dont get any internet issues for awhile. rogers lost 2 centers in india and isnt dispatching techs unless its a major outage. i hate dealing with them now
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 03:34:28 PM
we've got 1 person on site at all times because its our datacenter, but other than that, same.
btw, pray you dont get any internet issues for awhile. rogers lost 2 centers in india and isnt dispatching techs unless its a major outage. i hate dealing with them now
I'm on Bell, switched to them from Rogers a few years ago and have been hugely happy with the service, if not the pricing quite so much.
Post by: Gorilla on March 24, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
why are american politicians so freaking selfish and stupid?
Because the main way to get into high political office, for the most part, is your ability to win elections....the end, full stop.
We're ostensibly supposed to elect the "best of us", the most qualified and understanding and intelligent and prudent. However, it's not how qualified you are, or how intelligent, empathetic, and well-informed you are or your leadership ability...it's 95% about your ability to get people to vote for you, by hook or by crook. It's about how persuasive you are, how appealing you are, and how skilled you are at campaigning and manipulating cognitive biases and groupthink via the media and your speech and smile. Being able to convince others to vote for you (by any means necessary, even with half-truths or lies....so having a conscience might be a liability) leads to winning elections which leads to receiving more money...which leads to you being able to win more elections, and so on.
So to win high-level elections you need to be ultra-self-centered and image-obsessed, cutthroat (which requires a weak sense of empathy), and have a team of people who's sole purpose is to pump you up and make you more and more appealing to more and more people. A degree of psychopathy is helpful. The more people praise you and follow you and "believe" in you, the more you buy in to the narrative about yourself. That confidence, in turn, leads to you acting more electable...despite the fact that you may or may not actually be educated or qualified. Most people do not posses this level of narcissism or, again, psychopathy, or poopchute-ishness.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 04:49:40 PM
Because the main way to get into high political office, for the most part, is your ability to win elections....the end, full stop.
We're ostensibly supposed to elect the "best of us", the most qualified and understanding and intelligent and prudent. However, it's not how qualified you are, or how intelligent, empathetic, and well-informed you are or your leadership ability...it's 95% about your ability to get people to vote for you, by hook or by crook. It's about how persuasive you are, how appealing you are, and how skilled you are at campaigning and manipulating cognitive biases and groupthink via the media and your speech and smile. Being able to convince others to vote for you (by any means necessary, even with half-truths or lies....so having a conscience might be a liability) leads to winning elections which leads to receiving more money...which leads to you being able to win more elections, and so on.
So to win high-level elections you need to be ultra-self-centered and image-obsessed, cutthroat (which requires a weak sense of empathy), and have a team of people who's sole purpose is to pump you up and make you more and more appealing to more and more people. A degree of psychopathy is helpful. The more people praise you and follow you and "believe" in you, the more you buy in to the narrative about yourself. That confidence, in turn, leads to you acting more electable...despite the fact that you may or may not actually be educated or qualified. Most people do not posses this level of narcissism or, again, psychopathy, or poopchute-ishness.
Well said. I've always maintained you've got to be the most narcissistic poopchute in the world to believe you can be President of the United States. That goes for Trump. That goes for Obama. That goes for Bush (1 & 2), Clinton, Reagan, etc.
How could any person legitimately believe that they know anything so well that they can make decisions for 300M+ people?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
Well said. I've always maintained you've got to be the most narcissistic poopchute in the world to believe you can be President of the United States. That goes for Trump. That goes for Obama. That goes for Bush (1 & 2), Clinton, Reagan, etc.
How could any person legitimately believe that they know anything so well that they can make decisions for 300M+ people?
I don't think Obama or Bush were narcissistic
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 09:58:11 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-victory-covid-19-death-toll-latest-a9423121.html
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Donald Trump, in sharp defiance of his public health team, declared victory on Tuesday over the coronavirus even as the number of confirmed US cases and deaths continue to rise.
His administration’s goal is to “ease the guidelines and open things up to very large sections of our country as we near the end of our historic battle with the invisible enemy,” the president said. “It’s been going a while time, but we win. We win.”
....
The president claimed a “very, very powerful victory” over the virus as he praised Deborah Birx, a State Department official, for being perhaps the best infectious disease expert in the world – as his top infectious disease official, the widely popular Anthony Fauci, making his briefing room return, looked on behind him.
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 12:32:22 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 01:32:21 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 07:37:01 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
Interesting article:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
I heard you can contract COVID-19 from reading that cocksucking, propagandizing, toilet paper
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:38:33 AM
Both of my jobs are essential services and I am out there on the front lines like a canary in the coal mine. I feel neither brave nor stupid, I am just getting things done.
Same . Boat. Just bpught a house end if January , just got in a good company after suffering a 500 employee site closure with a bad one
My AC just went out with FL summer coming. Just financed 6800 for that , my bills aren't immune to corona and with both my jobs being essential. Its either go home voluntarily and get crushed by debt or keep the money flowing
Id have proffered a 2 week shutdown but logistically I see the hurdles
I'm more of an independent guy politically , but Trump has handled this like a Grade A moron
On the flipside I do feel like my company is doing everything they can to get as many out of 42k ppl working from hone they can . Another 5k work units arrived Tuesday. Priority is going to workmates out west though but HR already confirming ppls addresses and work extensions to setup equipment for WFH (work from home )
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:39:27 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
I guess old lady porcelain dolls and shiity pizzas are going to end all our problems
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:47:12 AM
I find it interesting that in this Coronavirus Bill that passed they're giving 100 billion dollars to hospitals and 350 billion to small businesses 🤔
I guess old lady porcelain dolls and shiity pizzas are going to end all our problems
Our economy is a shitty Jenga tower of consumerism stacked to space satellites at this point. China owns us and if we stop buying from them their infrastucture collapses . Were inextricably linked to them . I'm more along the lines of this was an attack in regards to the trade war
Just like the hurricanes in PR revealed like 90% of IV bags are produced in a random PR factory . Turns out most of our pharmaceuticals are from China lol
This is a wakeup call from a production and manufacturing standpoint as well
Were so much closer to mayhem then people really know but hey , beyond my control . Just go to work pay my bills and keep some ammo ready .
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:49:33 AM
Anyone that voted for Trump or is still defending Trump right now deserves this virus
I'm glad I saw this a couple of days later because had I seen it at the time you posted it we'd have had a real quotable Applebees moment.
Still bares repeating what an easily deceivable rube you've shown yourself to be over and over. Or are we still wishing death on high school kids for doing nothing but getting racist and homophobic excrement yelled at them while some poopchute bangs a drum in their face?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I'm glad I saw this a couple of days later because had I seen it at the time you posted it we'd have had a real quotable Applebees moment.
Still bares repeating what an easily deceivable rube you've shown yourself to be over and over. Or are we still wishing death on high school kids for doing nothing but getting racist and homophobic excrement yelled at them while some poopchute bangs a drum in their face?
1. I hope all of those MAGA Hitler's Youth kids have coronavirus and/or AIDS.
2. I still hope that everyone that voted for Trump gets the virus after all of the ventilators are gone.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 08:52:15 AM
1. I hope all of those MAGA Hitler's Youth kids have coronavirus and/or AIDS.
2. I still hope that everyone that voted for Trump gets the virus after all of the ventilators are gone.
Get help
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:53:21 AM
Get help
Get COVID-19
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:53:39 AM
1. I hope all of those MAGA Hitler's Youth kids have coronavirus and/or AIDS.
2. I still hope that everyone that voted for Trump gets the virus after all of the ventilators are gone.
Lmaoooo, you're a stupid sack of excrement with absolutely no ability to admit you were wrong, confirmed.
Get throat cancer.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:56:22 AM
Lmaoooo, you're a stupid sack of excrement with absolutely no ability to admit you were wrong, confirmed.
Get throat cancer.
I'm not wrong. The moment they put those stupid derriere red hats on their heads, they fucked up.
Those "kids" are already terrible people at no fault of their own. I guess you see yourself in them.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
I'm not wrong. The moment they put those stupid derriere red hats on their heads, they fucked up.
Those "kids" are already terrible people at no fault of their own. I guess you see yourself in them.
Ah I see.
Someone wears a hat in support of the President and they get what they deserve right?
That's not completely freaking insane.
freak off with this absolutely unhinged nonsense.
You're 120 percent wrong.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:00:07 AM
Get COVID-19
Most people will 🤷♂️
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
Ah I see.
Someone wears a hat in support of the President and they get what they deserve right?
That's not completely freaking insane.
freak off with this absolutely unhinged nonsense.
You're 120 percent wrong.
The problem with you, a confirmed racist (it wasn't confirmed, but we always knew it because you are a grown man that watches wrestling but now it's confirmed), is that you do not see what that hat represents to just about every minority in our country.
If you put that hat on or support this president, you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag. No. Matter. What.
Make America Great Again, but only if you're white.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 09:07:14 AM
I find it interesting that in this Coronavirus Bill that passed they're giving 100 billion dollars to hospitals and 350 billion to small businessesIt may that there are more small businesses than hospitals. Just numbers.
I guess old lady porcelain dolls and shiity pizzas are going to end all our problems
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
The problem with you, a confirmed racist (it wasn't confirmed, but we always knew it because you are a grown man that watches wrestling but now it's confirmed), is that you do not see what that hat represents to just about every minority in our country.
If you put that hat on or support this president, you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag. No. Matter. What.
Make America Great Again, but only if you're white.
(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/096/564/2f7.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
C'mon man
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:10:13 AM
Wait, is Jumbo a MAGA loser too?
C'mon man
Believe it or not, I can dislike Trump while also thinking that post was terrible
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2020, 09:10:46 AM
Believe it or not, I can dislike Trump while also thinking that post was terrible
Any chance of expressing those sentiments without resorting to 4chan memes?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:11:52 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Believe it or not, I can dislike Trump while also thinking that post was terrible
So you watch WWE?
Makes sense
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
thanks.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 09:18:31 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?
thanks.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
The problem with you, a confirmed racist (it wasn't confirmed, but we always knew it because you are a grown man that watches wrestling but now it's confirmed), is that you do not see what that hat represents to just about every minority in our country.
If you put that hat on or support this president, you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag. No. Matter. What.
Make America Great Again, but only if you're white.
There's so much stupid excrement in this post I don't know where to start.
1. Wrestling has about as multicultural a crowd as you're going to get. And I'll put my personal life experience over the last two years doing what I did over your failed washout coaching career or whatever the freak it is you were up to.
I get it, you finally found someone to freak you, and she either has friends or family who were at-risk under the border/immigration crackdown proposed by the President. Unable to form your own original thought, or objectively analyze complex issues or see nuance in them, you've just nakedly decided to adopt the worst of the rhetoric because you're a stupid freak. That doesn't make me or mine racist, that makes you an ignorant shitbag.
2. Just. Because. You. Put. A. Period. After. A. Post. Like. Some. queynte. On. Tumblr. Doesn't. Make. It. Fact. But then again, the rest of your rhetoric sounds like some estrogen filled psycho on a Huffington Post comments section, so whats the difference.
3. I know, that must explain the unemployment numbers minority communities were enjoying before this quagmire, and the criminal justice reform put in place by this administration, you absolute freaking clod.
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 09:23:04 AM
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?
like a knife in the heart, you stabbeth thee.
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:24:33 AM
Any chance of expressing those sentiments without resorting to 4chan memes?
Well soooooorry I didn't think the post I quoted required a serious response lol
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 09:25:05 AM
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?
Extra year will increase revenues, keep players under contract while giving us more cap room /dcmmode
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
There's so much stupid excrement in this post I don't know where to start.
1. Wrestling has about as multicultural a crowd as you're going to get. And I'll put my personal life experience over the last two years doing what I did over your failed washout coaching career or whatever the freak it is you were up to.
I get it, you finally found someone to freak you, and she either has friends or family who were at-risk under the border/immigration crackdown proposed by the President. Unable to form your own original thought, or objectively analyze complex issues or see nuance in them, you've just nakedly decided to adopt the worst of the rhetoric because you're a stupid freak. That doesn't make me or mine racist, that makes you an ignorant shitbag.
2. Just. Because. You. Put. A. Period. After. A. Post. Like. Some. queynte. On. Tumblr. Doesn't. Make. It. Fact. But then again, the rest of your rhetoric sounds like some estrogen filled psycho on a Huffington Post comments section, so whats the difference.
3. I know, that must explain the unemployment numbers minority communities were enjoying before this quagmire, and the criminal justice reform put in place by this administration, you absolute freaking clod.
Personal life experience of being a furloughed, racist attorney living in a gated community* (TWO WHOLE YEARS?!)
And yes, I "washed out" of public education because it was way too hard for the money I was making. I have no problem admitting that.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 09:27:41 AM
Extra year will increase revenues, keep players under contract while giving us more cap room /dcmmodeThe cap savings will create a vortex, then eventually a black hole of dead money that will consume Trumaine Johnson's contract, creating a 2022 6th round comp pick.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
Wonder if the NFL will cancel their season?
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One thing to pass along: I’m increasingly hearing from coaches and front office executives that they believe it will be nearly impossible for the season to start on time. Some believe training camp will start in the fall.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?
thanks.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkDhB3_QoI
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 10:10:52 AM
I heard you can contract COVID-19 from reading that cocksucking, propagandizing, toilet paperKind of like what happens when we read your opinions on things, cool.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 10:18:04 AM
Kind of like what happens when we read your opinions on things, cool.
That's not coronavirus
It's swamp derriere
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 10:37:03 AM
Can we get back to fear mongering in this thread?
thanks.
https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/1242822559940427777?s=21
Are the two things related? Most definitely
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-Hpy8_JCVU/?igshid=fjccvuqdxl06
My President
https://twitter.com/thenotoriousmma/status/1242802072417861632?s=21
Can’t wait until he’s the Prime Minister of Ireland
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 10:48:29 AM
its not that interesting because its an opinion piece behind a paywall from a right-wing business magazine.
I know who in their right mind wants to read an article or opinion on the virus from 2 Dr.'s that are also Professors of medicine at Stanford. If only they smoked weed and ate cheetos all day long their opinion would be so much more valued.
Jesus this place is getting dumber and dumber by the day.
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”
Jesus...this thread is a prime example of why this country was going to excrement BEFORE any of this started.
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 11:00:52 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:04:32 AM
You voted for Trump or still support him: “you’re a right-wing racist piece of excrement who deserves to die a slow death from any virus, not just this one.”
You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”
Jesus...this thread is a prime example of why this country was going to excrement BEFORE any of this started.
Pretty much
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:05:37 AM
Same . Boat. Just bpught a house end if January , just got in a good company after suffering a 500 employee site closure with a bad one
My AC just went out with FL summer coming. Just financed 6800 for that , my bills aren't immune to corona and with both my jobs being essential. Its either go home voluntarily and get crushed by debt or keep the money flowing
Id have proffered a 2 week shutdown but logistically I see the hurdles
I'm more of an independent guy politically , but Trump has handled this like a Grade A moron
On the flipside I do feel like my company is doing everything they can to get as many out of 42k ppl working from hone they can . Another 5k work units arrived Tuesday. Priority is going to workmates out west though but HR already confirming ppls addresses and work extensions to setup equipment for WFH (work from home )
Congrats, you picked a fine time to buy a house. lol Good luck and all. Being you're working for an essential business you're better off than most currently. Who knows how long that will last.
My company is not going under, it's front lines and great medical coverage, just shitty wages. I make more at my internship but that is dissolving in a few weeks. Although they want to keep me on in some capacity, maybe get all my financial licenses back. By the time I am done with school I am hoping the economy is on a road to recovery. Who knows though, if this keeps up longer than a quarter we may just sail right through recession into a depression. That's not good by any metric. Plus our country is being run by a fucktard. strange times....
I hate the political process right now,
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:08:05 AM
You voted for Trump or still support him: “you’re a right-wing racist piece of excrement who deserves to die a slow death from any virus, not just this one.”
You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”
Jesus...this thread is a prime example of why this country was going to excrement BEFORE any of this started.
Pretty much spot on............. I should probably wish death of a 1000 virus's on you.
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:13:21 AM
Congrats, you picked a fine time to buy a house. lol Good luck and all. Being you're working for an essential business you're better off than most currently. Who knows how long that will last.
My company is not going under, it's front lines and great medical coverage, just shitty wages. I make more at my internship but that is dissolving in a few weeks. Although they want to keep me on in some capacity, maybe get all my financial licenses back. By the time I am done with school I am hoping the economy is on a road to recovery. Who knows though, if this keeps up longer than a quarter we may just sail right through recession into a depression. That's not good by any metric. Plus our country is being run by a fucktard. strange times....
I hate the political process right now,
Yeah my life went off the rails on multiple fronts back in November . SFD finally reached out and now that my life is finally back on track (sans Corona) I'm back
Yeah I used to care more about politics , but it has regressed into college sports where people scream for their color with their ears plugged lol
As someone whose beliefs range all over the spectrum based on the topic , I gave up on the two party system a decade ago . Now I just care about excrement I can control lol
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:17:42 AM
Disregarding the ignorant fucktards, here's the article/opinion I linked, like it or not, it's interesting:
If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out n cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.
Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.
The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.
Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.
Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vň, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vň were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.
In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.
The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.
How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.
The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.
This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.
If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.
A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.
Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
Yeah my life went off the rails on multiple fronts back in November . SFD finally reached out and now that my life is finally back on track (sans Corona) I'm back
Yeah I used to care more about politics , but it has regressed into college sports where people scream for their color with their ears plugged lol
As someone whose beliefs range all over the spectrum based on the topic , I gave up on the two party system a decade ago . Now I just care about excrement I can control lol
I hear you. I am done with the 2 party system as well. I like some things both parties put forth but mostly they suck. The worse part is there's going to be a greater divide than ever between them. Especially, with the ultra conservative component in the GOP and then the socialist component of the Dems. This country is going backwards if either of those 2 win.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 11:32:47 AM
Yeah my life went off the rails on multiple fronts back in November . SFD finally reached out and now that my life is finally back on track (sans Corona) I'm back
Yeah I used to care more about politics , but it has regressed into college sports where people scream for their color with their ears plugged lol
As someone whose beliefs range all over the spectrum based on the topic , I gave up on the two party system a decade ago . Now I just care about excrement I can control lol
Still plodding away with that shctick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Still plodding away with that shctick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
Bwtween that and the auto corrections I have cemented my legacy
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
Bwtween that and the auto corrections I have cemented my legacy
Doesn't matter you will never see the person that was directed to at another tailgate ever, he's a bundle of sticks.
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 11:46:33 AM
I hear you. I am done with the 2 party system as well. I like some things both parties put forth but mostly they suck. The worse part is there's going to be a greater divide than ever between them. Especially, with the ultra conservative component in the GOP and then the socialist component of the Dems. This country is going backwards if either of those 2 win.In other words...we're all fucked.
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
Doesn't matter you will never see the person that was directed to at another tailgate ever, he's a bundle of sticks.
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:48:30 AM
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By Dasl Yoon and Timothy W. Martin | Photographs by Jean Chung for The Wall Street Journal
March 19, 2020 5:37 am ET
SEOUL—Lee Hyuk-min sets his alarm at 4:45 a.m. He rolls out of bed, sits down at his home office desk within minutes and then begins his day’s work: analyzing a chart of novel coronavirus test data, separating the positives from the negatives.
A clinical microbiologist, Dr. Lee gets six batches of test results throughout the day. He reviews most of them at the laboratory where he works at Yonsei University Health System’s Severance Hospital in Seoul. He punches out by 11 p.m. But he is typically woken up in the middle of the night to review even more.
“It’s tough,” Dr. Lee said, “but it’s tough for everyone.”
South Korea has absorbed an onslaught of novel coronavirus infections that has left many countries’ health systems rattled. One reason it has managed to check the virus’s spread and bring down its infection rate has been an efficient testing network that allowed it to quickly isolate those infected. The country has run nearly 300,000 tests, double that of Italy’s tally despite having less than a third of confirmed coronavirus cases.
And the U.S., though ramping up capacity, has only screened about one-tenth of what South Korea has, based on the number of tests conducted at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention facilities and other public-health labs. America’s numbers may not quickly balloon either: the Trump administration is planning to prioritize social distancing over blanket testing.
South Korea’s testing network was a legacy of a deadly outbreak of the MERS coronavirus in 2015 and kicked into gear during the new coronavirus outbreak in late January. Doctors, medical staff, laboratories and political leaders took on roles and followed protocols established in recent years.
Drive-through clinics have helped South Korea test nearly 300,000 people.
Dr. Lee, and others like him, represent the final checkpoint in this system, a coordinated diagnostics operation that knits together 633 test sites and more than 100 laboratories nationwide. It is a uniform setup: The labs use the same testing equipment, do the same training and make decisions based on the same information.
At 8 a.m., every South Korean laboratory uploads the results of their coronavirus tests to a shared database, allowing for public and private hospitals around the country to monitor their patients’ results and report them to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Hospitals upload testing details to an online directory created by experts from an infectious-disease medical society.
“The surveillance allows us to predict where we need to focus our efforts,” said Dr. Lee, 49, who has advised the South Korean government on Covid-19 laboratory-testing issues. “It’s also a network to share any problems that arise from inconclusive tests.”
Battle Tested for Covid-19
South Korea has screened more widely thanother hard-hit countries.
South Korea’s approach was developed following the MERS outbreak, which resembled the chaos now seen elsewhere. The country was slow in approving test kits and pushed diagnostics work to fewer than five state-run facilities. Labs took four or five days to confirm results. Patients exhibiting respiratory illness symptoms went undiagnosed and unknowingly infected others. The roughly two-month outbreak left 186 people infected, 38 of whom died.
Afterward, South Korea overhauled its emergency response system. It gave large private hospitals—which played a small role in testing during the MERS outbreak—approval to assist with diagnostic testing, demanded hospitals train extra staff to operate the machinery and established separate laboratory-medicine departments.
The changes took two years to put into place. But when the coronavirus outbreak began in January, South Korean health officials could immediately enlist more than 100 facilities for tests and can now screen up to 20,000 people a day. Other post-MERS changes reduced the time companies needed to win regulatory approval for new tests. An accelerated approval system was implemented in 2016.
As coronavirus spreads across the world, countries are setting up drive-through clinics to make it easier for their citizens to get tested. WSJ’s Andrew Jeong visited a test site in South Korea to see how it works. Photo: Denis Bosnic for the Wall Street Journal
South Korea crucially let local biotech firms craft their own tests based on disease modeling that used the Covid-19 genetic test code released by China in January. The first company won approval for its kit on Feb. 4— two weeks before infections surged. Now, South Korea has five test-kit suppliers that use different materials but all deploy the same testing method.
But test availability is only one half of the equation, as a stable of laboratories are needed to confirm results, said Lee Wang-jun, chairman at the Myongji Hospital in Seoul and an adviser for the South Korean government’s Covid-19 response team.
A lab at Yonsei University Health System’s Severance Hospital in Seoul, one of more than 100 in South Korea.
“There’s no point in just having a lot of testing kits,” said Dr. Lee, noting Myongji has two testing machines running all day. “You also need the manpower and the laboratories.”
Innovation also played a key role. The government introduced drive-through testing sites that minimized contact and sped up testing, an idea that has quickly been adopted in some states in the U.S. Some hospitals ask patients to step into an enclosed space, resembling a phone booth, where medical staff swab for samples by using arm-length rubber gloves built into a plastic panel.
The World Health Organization singled out South Korea for praise on Wednesday for developing innovative testing strategies.
The situation looks different in the U.S., where hospitals and citizens are still scrambling to boost test availability. The Food and Drug Administration this week moved to allow lab companies to release coronavirus tests without prior government approval. But the supply of products and chemicals needed to run the tests is dwindling.
“The demand is outstripping our ability to perform those tests in a timely fashion,” said Benjamin Pinsky, medical director at the Stanford Clinical Virology Laboratory, which has created its own diagnostic test.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks in the U.S.’s nationwide rollout of tests was the FDA’s requirement that labs developing their own tests had to essentially use a live virus sample to have their tests certified—a criteria it has since relaxed. Alex Greninger, an assistant director of the University of Washington’s virology division in Seattle, said his team rushed to locate a live virus sample that could prove its test trustworthy enough for FDA standards.
Test kits have been one of the main ways to determine if a patient has coronavirus, but results from throat-swab tests can be inaccurate. WSJ visited a lab in Singapore to see how the kits work and find out why there are questions over accuracy. Photo: Crystal Tai
But Dr. Greninger had a problem: The coronavirus hadn’t yet spread in the Washington area. “We didn’t have many specimens to validate testing,” he said. “I worked the phones a lot.”
He eventually sourced an extraction from a live sample in late February, just as the state of Washington’s coronavirus outbreak started accelerating.
South Korea didn’t set such requirements for test manufacturers. The country, with 8,565 confirmed cases as of Thursday, now ranks eighth globally, having been surpassed by the U.S. and France in the past day.
Yonsei’s Lee Hyuk-min says the turnaround for results typically takes six hours upon getting the samples at his Seoul lab.
Dr. Lee of Yonsei said his hospital could test the roughly 300 coronavirus samples collected throughout the day all at once. The reason they do it six times a day, he says, is to speed up the process of identifying, quarantining and treating patients.
His hospital’s capacity is small relative to other large, private laboratories that can process more than 3,000 tests a day.
Medical experts advising the government on Covid-19 said South Korea’s infectious-disease management system has been transformed by the involvement of specialists in the field, compared with the government’s delayed response to MERS due to a lack of expertise.
“In the early stages of the MERS outbreak, infectious-disease specialists were not involved at all, and initial prevention was a failure,” said Kim Woo-joo, the former head of the MERS rapid-response team and an infectious-disease professor at Korea University in Seoul.
Coronavirus test results are shown on a monitor.
South Korea, with 52 million people, had an easier time tracking down patients than China or the U.S., as it is the geographic size of Indiana. When a massive cluster of cases occurred at the secretive Shincheonji Church of Jesus in Daegu, the country focused its initial efforts on tracking down and testing the 10,000 churchmembers in the city—and those who had crossed paths with them—regardless of their symptoms.
Early identification is key in infectious-disease management, health experts say. When South Korea identified its first coronavirus patient on Jan. 20, biotech companies already had developed test kits and were awaiting approval.
“The U.S. already missed the golden time,” Yonsei’s Dr. Lee said. “It took them too long to identify the first patient, and in the meantime, thousands would already have been infected.”
Write to Dasl Yoon at dasl.yoon@wsj.com and Timothy W. Martin at timothy.martin@wsj.com
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
This thread gave me Coronavirus
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
Bwtween that and the auto corrections I have cemented my legacy
Welcome back brother
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:52:09 AM
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol
Yes lol
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 11:52:26 AM
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lolololNaa, he's alright, we're just giving him excrement for a few years he said he'd be there then backed out. Especially the green Camaro year.
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
Welcome back brother
Good to be back
Just took a pandemic to get me going lol
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
In other words...we're all fucked.
Similar to when you open up this forum, prepare for penetration.
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 12:04:43 PM
Similar to when you open up this forum, prepare for penetration.The way the MTA is treating me (all of us) right now, my poopchute is nice and lubed up for sure.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
Naa, he's alright, we're just giving him excrement for a few years he said he'd be there then backed out. Especially the green Camaro year.
This
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 12:08:01 PM
Good to be back
Just took a pandemic to get me going lol
Cool welcome back until the next zombie apocalypse!
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
Did I miss a real.fallout or you just busting his balls lololol
Puck doesn't recognize balls unless they're across his chin.
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 01:29:32 PM
Good to be back
Just took a pandemic to get me going lol
And welcome back. *Passes the cheese dust*
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:37:45 PM
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
This stupid piece of excrement needs to freaking die already. freak you idc he needs to be got. hes going to get people freaking killed because hes such a gigantic piece of retarded excrement.
freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 03:41:44 PM
freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement
@mj2sexay
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
maybe he is actually the anti-christ
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2020, 03:44:48 PM
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.
U! S! A! U! S! A!
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:46:23 PM
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I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.
U! S! A! U! S! A!
numbers cant go up if you cant get tested
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Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2020, 03:49:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.
U! S! A! U! S! A!
At the rate things are going currently you're going to be #1 by Friday.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
This stupid piece of excrement needs to freaking die already. freak you idc he needs to be got. hes going to get people freaking killed because hes such a gigantic piece of retarded excrement.
freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement
Make sure you @ all the non Trump supporters that have been echoing the same sentiments about the economy for weeks before Trump started in on this
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
This stupid piece of excrement needs to freaking die already. freak you idc he needs to be got. hes going to get people freaking killed because hes such a gigantic piece of retarded excrement.
freak you for supporting him. freak you for defending you. freaking garbage pieces of excrement
wait
so you DON'T like trump?
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
i'd be surprised canada isnt higher on the list, but that'd mean we were also testing.
We've done 130K tests to date, returning a 2.5% positive rate.
Post by: Jumbo on March 25, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.
U! S! A! U! S! A!
imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes
Post by: guinness77 on March 25, 2020, 04:27:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)Let’s continue to not shut everything down though. Lol unbelievable
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.
U! S! A! U! S! A!
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 25, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
Let’s continue to not shut everything down though. Lol unbelievableThis idea of reopening the country is going to look even more ridiculous this time next week when hundreds of people are dying each day.
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/
That guy is the WORST
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2020, 05:10:02 PM
imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes
yeah, touche
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
imagine actually believing the numbers China publishes
what about the numbers from italy
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2020, 05:59:09 PM
Nah man, they are all willing to die to save the economy
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/
without looking it up/knowing, i'm sure this guy is pro - life, and i'm sure he'd find a way to justify it and say the situations are different if it was brought up to him. something like the oldies have already had enough time on earth and the babies can't defend themselves
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 06:48:21 PM
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“No one reached out to me and said, ‘as a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’” Patrick said. “And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in.”
And that doesn't make me noble or brave or anything like that," he continued. "I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me... that what we care about and what we love more than anything are those children."
"I'm not saying I'm a hero..."
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 06:49:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 07:28:39 PM
Disregarding the ignorant fucktards, here's the article/opinion I linked, like it or not, it's interesting:
If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out n cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.
Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.
The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.
Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.
Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vň, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vň were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.
In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.
The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.
How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.
The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.
This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.
If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.
A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.
Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article.
I think one of the biggest reasons the fatality rate is much higher in China (other than their government murdering them or presumably them having shitty Healthcare) is smoking rates. China is the biggest consumer of cigarettes in the world and has one of the highest smoking rates in the world. And studies have suggested that smoking is the reason men are far more likely to die from Corona then women (because men are far more likely to smoke)
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:14:45 PM
Personal life experience of being a furloughed, racist attorney living in a gated community* (TWO WHOLE YEARS?!)
And yes, I "washed out" of public education because it was way too hard for the money I was making. I have no problem admitting that.
I was working as a public defender you stupid freak. Some cunts like you like to think by espousing your horseshit, you're making the world a better place. I was actually defending the indigent. Real large amount of PD's "living in gated communities" FFS, the town I live in was called a pooper around these parts when I asked about it before I moved there.
You're a queynte, IATA's a stupid freak and you can both go fist yourselves.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:22:13 PM
You hate Trump: “oh. You’re obviously a left-wing, pink, tree-hugging, fag-loving, liberal piece of excrement who deserves to die because you waited too long for your government hand outs.”
Show me where I went anywhere close to an ad hominem like this. Unlike Heis who actually pretty much lived up to the stereotype.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
I was working as a public defender you stupid freak.
You have no idea what it's like in an actual "indigent" community.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2020, 08:39:59 PM
You have no idea what it's like in an actual "indigent" community.
OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo I'm sure you're a fountain of information about it.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 25, 2020, 09:01:54 PM
OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo I'm sure you're a fountain of information about it.
I mean probably more so than anyone that posts on this board.
I have a certain appreciation for what public defenders do to an extent, but more often than not, they don't see where those people started and where they come from.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 25, 2020, 09:16:44 PM
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
I was working as a public defender you stupid freak. Some cunts like you like to think by espousing your horseshit, you're making the world a better place. I was actually defending the indigent. Real large amount of PD's "living in gated communities" FFS, the town I live in was called a pooper around these parts when I asked about it before I moved there.no u
You're a queynte, IATA's a stupid freak and you can both go fist yourselves.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2020, 09:40:43 PM
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.
While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
This thread has become the most aids riddled
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.
While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful
I am with you. I am getting tired of the bullshit here. We started as a group of friends that wanted better football discussion and has morphed into this nasty bullshit in this thread and I am freaking tired of it.
MJ has been with us since the beginning and to be honest I do not like and do not agree with many of his political opinions. You know what they're his opinions. I can say the same for Badger, JE and such as well. MJ is not a scumbag and his family and he do not deserve a virus because he voted for Trump just the same as Badger, JE ( you didn't vote I know) and the like do not deserve anything for voting the other way or having a different opinion about socioeconomic principals.
I have met all of them personally, they're good people and I consider them good friends. When we're together I can't recall a political discussion, mostly because we're drunk and having fun.
You don't like MJ's opinion attack the opinion, if you can't do that, shut the freaking hell up. This thread has been tarded up, and gotten nasty to the point I don't really want to log in to this place any longer.
It may be a scary time for some and or you're going stir crazy, it's no freaking reason to take it out on each other. Don't say you're joking either you can tell the difference, this is all kinds of getting personal and that's freaking garbage on each and every one of you. I know for a fact some of the people trying to get personal didn't enjoy it when it happened to them and may have gotten the other parties banned, ( I won't name names but you know), so stop the freaking bullshit.
We don't have a lot of posters here and this place is going to die if we continue down this road to becoming a cesspool of bullshit.
My Dad voted trump and I didn't agree with it. He's not a scumbag, you all have met him and he's one of the nicest and most sincere people you'll ever meet. He's not the tongue for nothing.
I am tired of the nasty personal rhetoric here and if it doesn't stop, I am out for good.
Post by: Pope on March 25, 2020, 10:31:04 PM
I am with you. I am getting tired of the bullshit here. We started as a group of friends that wanted better football discussion and has morphed into this nasty bullshit in this thread and I am freaking tired of it.Suck my dick and tell me you love me bundle of sticks
MJ has been with us since the beginning and to be honest I do not like and do not agree with many of his political opinions. You know what they're his opinions. I can say the same for Badger, JE and such as well. MJ is not a scumbag and his family and he do not deserve a virus because he voted for Trump just the same as Badger, JE ( you didn't vote I know) and the like do not deserve anything for voting the other way or having a different opinion about socioeconomic principals.
I have met all of them personally, they're good people and I consider them good friends. When we're together I can't recall a political discussion, mostly because we're drunk and having fun.
You don't like MJ's opinion attack the opinion, if you can't do that, shut the freaking hell up. This thread has been tarded up, and gotten nasty to the point I don't really want to log in to this place any longer.
It may be a scary time for some and or you're going stir crazy, it's no freaking reason to take it out on each other. Don't say you're joking either you can tell the difference, this is all kinds of getting personal and that's freaking garbage on each and every one of you. I know for a fact some of the people trying to get personal didn't enjoy it when it happened to them and may have gotten the other parties banned, ( I won't name names but you know), so stop the freaking bullshit.
We don't have a lot of posters here and this place is going to die if we continue down this road to becoming a cesspool of bullshit.
My Dad voted trump and I didn't agree with it. He's not a scumbag, you all have met him and he's one of the nicest and most sincere people you'll ever meet. He's not the tongue for nothing.
I am tired of the nasty personal rhetoric here and if it doesn't stop, I am out for good.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 25, 2020, 11:53:15 PM
Suck my dick and tell me you love me bundle of sticks
You like rooster more than any bundle of sticks here.
Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2020, 12:13:19 AM
Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2020, 12:14:33 AM
You like rooster more than any bundle of sticks here.Dunlop. You suck rooster.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 12:29:19 AM
You know shits getting real when dcm and puck are the voices of reason around here.
You even quoted the Tongue!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2020, 01:22:21 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 04:52:52 AM
Post by: Jumbo on March 26, 2020, 05:59:19 AM
what about the numbers from italy
Are way more inherently believable than the numbers published by the country that has consistently lied about everything relating to this from the beginning?
Post by: Jumbo on March 26, 2020, 06:00:09 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 07:35:46 AM
The previous record was like 700k
Yikes
Americans displaced by the coronavirus crisis filed unemployment claims in record numbers, with the Labor Department reporting Thursday a surge to 3.28 million.
The number shatters the Great Recession peak of 665,000 in March 2009 and the all-time mark of 695,000 in October 1982. The previous week, which reflected the period before the worst of the coronavirus hit, was just 282,000.
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Ever since basically every gym in the freaking country closed this excrement has driven me batshit crazy. Stupid excrement I can deal with (ie restaurants closing) but this completely derriere fucks my whole routine
I'm on day 13 of #quartine
it's starting to get dicey. I miss the gym and restaurants. Hell, social interaction in general.
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 07:48:57 AM
A 42-year-old hospital worker in Georgia who had coronavirus was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child by her body.
Diedre Wilkes' body was discovered Thursday in the living room of her home in Newnan, about 40 miles southwest of Atlanta, after a family member called the Coweta County Sheriff's Office requesting a welfare check, the coroner, Richard Hawk, told NBC News on Wednesday.
It's believed she died 12 to 16 hours before she was found, the coroner said.
A posthumous coronavirus test was conducted and came back positive for COVID-19, according to Hawk. Wilkes did not have any known underlying health conditions, and an autopsy is being conducted, he said.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 07:51:46 AM
I'm on day 13 of #quartine
it's starting to get dicey. I miss the gym and restaurants. Hell, social interaction in general.
Works become since a mixed bag since this whole thing. It's nice to see and interact with people. But freak it's the most fucked up excrement ever
And yeah social interaction is getting desperate. All the freaking time I spend on here, really hitting rock bottom
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
Works become since a mixed bag since this whole thing. It's nice to see and interact with people. But freak it's the most fucked up excrement everContrary to some previous posts I've made, I hope you don't die.
And yeah social interaction is getting desperate. All the freaking time I spend on here, really hitting rock bottom
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2020, 07:55:50 AM
Works become since a mixed bag since this whole thing. It's nice to see and interact with people. But freak it's the most fucked up excrement ever
And yeah social interaction is getting desperate. All the freaking time I spend on here, really hitting rock bottom
Stay safe on that front line.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 08:10:04 AM
But it's gonna be fucked up few months for everyone for sure. And I think the whole USA might be a really fucked up place for a year or two
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 08:18:37 AM
Ever since basically every gym in the freaking country closed this excrement has driven me batshit crazy. Stupid excrement I can deal with (ie restaurants closing) but this completely derriere fucks my whole routine
I carefully planned for this situation by ensuring that I didn't use my gym membership at all for the last five months.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 08:33:52 AM
I carefully planned for this situation by ensuring that I didn't use my gym membership at all for the last five months.
I'm seriously contemplating breaking into the gym in the apartment complex I rent in in the middle of the night. My key fob still works, so despite all the bullshit signs that the state mandates everything closes, I figured I could plead ignorance.
Not sure what the worst they can do to me is 🤷♂️
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
I'm seriously contemplating breaking into the gym in the apartment complex I rent in in the middle of the night. My key fob still works, so despite all the bullshit signs that the state mandates everything closes, I figured I could plead ignorance.
Not sure what the worst they can do to me is 🤷♂️
Send you to jail and you get gang raped by 10 roided out guys that love to use the prison gym.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 09:53:55 AM
Send you to jail and you get gang raped by 10 roided out guys that love to use the prison gym.
I bet at least their freaking gyms are open
Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2020, 09:57:45 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
I bet at least their freaking gyms are open
That's the irony.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
It took a pandemic but dcm has officially become one of the better posters around here. Yikes.
(https://i.imgflip.com/3lebc5.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
Pretty bad when insurance companies that can make a decent profit off of something like this are backing off.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 10:27:25 AM
AHIP has pushed out my company's certification and training indefinitely...
Pretty bad when insurance companies that can make a decent profit off of something like this are backing off.
I'd imagine insurance companies are taking an absolute bath on this excrement right now.
Ridiculous amounts of outgoing payments, and record breaking numbers of people losing their jobs unable to pay their premiums and bills.
And I don't know specifics about what's happening in the insurance industry but I was under the impression the government would step in to ensure that COVID-19 excrement gets covered so that people get tested/treated.
Regardless I have to imagine this is a really bad time for insurers. And I imagine it'll get worse for them when this turns into the (possibly?) the biggest push for single payer ever after the dust settles. Especially since a lot of these insurance companies are probably getting annihilated because of all the businesses going under (not necessarily health insurance but they cover that kinda excrement too)
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1168386?__twitter_impression=true
A 42-year-old hospital worker in Georgia who had coronavirus was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child by her body.
Diedre Wilkes' body was discovered Thursday in the living room of her home in Newnan, about 40 miles southwest of Atlanta, after a family member called the Coweta County Sheriff's Office requesting a welfare check, the coroner, Richard Hawk, told NBC News on Wednesday.
It's believed she died 12 to 16 hours before she was found, the coroner said.
A posthumous coronavirus test was conducted and came back positive for COVID-19, according to Hawk. Wilkes did not have any known underlying health conditions, and an autopsy is being conducted, he said.
Found this more fucked up (well not the part about her 4 year old, that's just beyond fucked up)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/kious-kelly-hospital-nurse-dies-trash-bags-2020-3%3famp
A nurse at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York died from COVID-19 after learning he was infected by the novel coronavirus almost two weeks ago. Protective medical gowns are in such short supply in the Mount Sinai system that some nurses have started to use Hefty-brand garbage bags instead, according to photos on social media.
Post by: Pope on March 26, 2020, 11:23:38 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2020, 11:27:51 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/af5b73d855ef082f7de21970352103f8.jpg)
I've seen numbers floated in the 30-40 million range but I find that unfathomably unbelievable and apocalyptic
That's when you start talking the death of America
But regardless this is just beginning to get tarted. You have to think there's seriously strong chance at this ending up north of 10 million
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2020, 01:36:26 PM
It took a pandemic but dcm has officially become one of the better posters around here. Yikes.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/a15d3a9184d546ef20296361fe7cef71.jpg)
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 26, 2020, 02:05:54 PM
This thread has become the most aids riddled
garbage I can recall as long as I've been on here.
While I'm guilty of saying stupid excrement as much if not more so than anyone. The hate and ignorance in here is on another level and it's extremely freaking pathetic and shameful
Even moreso than the Gase thread?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 03:56:49 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelgrubin/status/1243258525066891264?s=21
That looks like a mask surgeons should use. lol
Post by: reuben on March 26, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We should overtake China as the number one spot for covid-19 by this time next week.
(https://i.imgur.com/9PaXzEa.png)
NUMBER ONE BABY 'MURICA!!!!!
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
That looks like a mask surgeons should use. lol
Here in Canada, we do it the only way Canadians really could.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bauer-offers-make-protective-visors-front-line-health-care-workers/
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 04:52:15 PM
Here in Canada, we do it the only way Canadians really could.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bauer-offers-make-protective-visors-front-line-health-care-workers/
That's a safe mask. That's cool on Bauer if it's viable for the the medical personnel and first responders.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9PaXzEa.png)
NUMBER ONE BABY 'MURICA!!!!!
SO much for running numbers?
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 05:03:17 PM
That's a safe mask. That's cool on Bauer if it's viable for the the medical personnel and first responders.
In all seriousness, I can see its value but I suspect in isolation it's not enough; it would stop splatter, but nothing aerosolized. That's why we're also equipping our doctors with sticks with which to beat anyone who looks like they might cough. Old style wooden one piece ones though, the composite ones break too easily if you miss the patient and hit the bed rails.
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9PaXzEa.png)
NUMBER ONE BABY 'MURICA!!!!!
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/kiTqvNky7Gv0E57WnA/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47da23fc960034053a8c82c8039d26b8364b7f9556&rid=giphy.gif)
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
Regardless I have to imagine this is a really bad time for insurers.
But it's not a bad time for those that sell insurance
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 09:20:43 PM
Post by: IATA on March 26, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
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VA Pastor, Musician Dies From Coronavirus He Had Questioned
A 66-year-old Virginia musician and pastor who had questioned coronavirus media coverage died from the disease after a trip to New Orleans.
VIRGINIA — A 66-year-old Virginia resident who fell ill with the new coronavirus, or COVID-19, on a trip to New Orleans died Wednesday morning at a hospital in Concord, North Carolina. The death of Landon Spradlin, an accomplished musician and a pastor, has drawn viral attention online, in part because earlier this month Spradlin questioned whether media coverage of the disease was overblown.
Spradlin lived in Gretna, a small town in Pittsylvania County, about halfway between Lynchburg and Danville.
While driving home from New Orleans, Spradlin, who had pastored at several different churches over the years, started feeling much worse. He and his wife, Jean Spradlin, stopped in Concord, where he was admitted to a hospital and diagnosed with pneumonia. He was eventually put on a ventilator as his condition worsened before he died.
Because of hospital restrictions, Spradlin's daughter, Judah Strickland, was not able to be with her father before he died. Strickland told WTVD that she'll try to carry on her father's legacy of faith and music.
Some media outlets have noted that Spradlin shared a meme on his Facebook page that compared coronavirus deaths to swine flu deaths. The meme described the reaction to the coronavirus as "mass hysteria" and suggested the media was using the pandemic to hurt President Donald Trump.
In the comments to the Facebook post, Spradlin said he believes the coronavirus "is a real issue, but I believe the media is pumping out fear and doing more harm than good."
"It will come and it will go," he wrote. **EDITORS NOTE** It did not.
After news sites published articles Thursday highlighting the meme that Spradlin had shared, people began leaving nasty comments on his Facebook page, calling him an "idiot" and expressing no sympathy for his family members who had lost their husband and father.
Jean Spradlin, who has been in isolation since they arrived in North Carolina, has tested negative for coronavirus but does have double pneumonia, like her husband did. Double pneumonia is when both lungs are infected.
Spradlin's death appears to be showing up in the Virginia Department of Health's data on the coronavirus. The department is reporting one adult death in the state's Pittsylvania-Danville Health District as of Thursday. The department does not release the names of people who test positive or who die from the coronavirus.
Virginia's cases of the new coronavirus increased to 460 on Thursday. Deaths due to COVID-19 are up to 13 statewide and 65 people are hospitalized. The latest state count does not include the death of a staff member with Loudoun County Public Schools, which Loudoun County reported Thursday.
The Blues Hall of Fame in Memphis recognized Spradlin in 2016, inducting him as a Great Blues Artist from Virginia and as an Ambassador from Virginia.
Roanoke singer Kerry Hurley, a friend of Spradlin's, posted to Facebook Wednesday morning that Spradlin "spread the word of God every day he was alive and he praised and worshiped like no other … He will be in my heart until I see his sweet face again in heaven. I love you brother. That's the last thing he said to me."
Hurley wrote in his Facebook post that Spradlin's family "probably won't even be able to properly bury him or have any kind of funeral." Hurley said he plans to have a celebration of his friend when people can gather again. "Anyone that had the honor of knowing him and playing music with him should be there," he wrote.
whoopsie daisy
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 07:07:54 AM
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Iranian media reports nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened by ingesting toxic methanol across the Islamic Republic out of the false belief it kills the new coronavirus.
-AP
This is Trump’s America.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 07:13:41 AM
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An Iranian doctor helping the country’s Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.
...
“Unfortunately in some provinces, including Khuzestan and Fars, deaths from drinking methanol has exceeded the number of deaths from the new coronavirus,” he said.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
About to see some real corona inflation
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
Pride of eggs tripled since the beginning of March, and quadrupled since the start of the year
About to see some real corona inflation
Why? Has coronavirus somehow made egg production more expensive? Or is it the industry raising prices due to increased demand?
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
Why? Has coronavirus somehow made egg production more expensive? Or is it the industry raising prices due to increased demand?
Probably some sort of combination of these. I don't know why people are loading up on eggs all of a sudden, though.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 10:55:35 AM
Some of these price increases are wholesale so they haven't impacted the Frontline consumer yet.
But I imagine we'll see it in the near future
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
Pride of eggs tripled since the beginning of March, and quadrupled since the start of the year
About to see some real corona inflation
Gas prices are down here...to what they were when i was in high school.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 12:22:46 PM
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 12:34:06 PM
gas was 75cent a liter this morning
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 12:36:40 PM
milk is in short supply in SWO, eggs also.
gas was 75cent a liter this morning
That's a lot, we were at 58.9 yesterday in a couple of places.
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2020, 12:44:28 PM
milk is in short supply in SWO, eggs also.
gas was 75cent a liter this morning
stop eating all the eggs and drinking all the milk.
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
if you travel to ontario from anywhere, you have to isolate 14 days
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:09:47 PM
Why are people on cruises right now
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
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The federal government recently passed an order requiring people arriving in Canada by land, air or sea, to self-isolate for 14 days, with penalties of up to $1 million or three years in prison
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
https://twitter.com/cadiethompson/status/1243583711377006594?s=21
Why are people on cruises right now
Can't speak for cruises, but I was reading yesterday how private yachts, bunkers, and any kind of isolating travel mechanisms are having sky high demand.
I imagine if there was a cruise that would just stay the freak away from all ports and mainland for 2 months people would go all in on it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
Most depressing thing I’ve seen yet
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:41:19 PM
Can't speak for cruises, but I was reading yesterday how private yachts, bunkers, and any kind of isolating travel mechanisms are having sky high demand.
I imagine if there was a cruise that would just stay the freak away from all ports and mainland for 2 months people would go all in on it
You would have to test people to ensure they’re all negative before letting them all get on a ship together and even then you couldn’t pay me to go
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 01:56:18 PM
You would have to test people to ensure they’re all negative before letting them all get on a ship together and even then you couldn’t pay me to go
Never said it was the brightest idea lol
But assuming you have the right setup (ie enoguh money) I could imagine it's a helluva lot better than the current situation.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
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Rhode Island police began stopping cars with New York plates Friday. On Saturday, the National Guard will help them conduct house-to-house searches to find people who traveled from New York and demand 14 days of self-quarantine.
“Right now we have a pinpointed risk,” Governor Gina Raimondo said. “That risk is called New York City.”
Post by: delavan on March 27, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/1243597001754894337
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 27, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
not a defense of trump's handling so much as what a snide queynte
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/1243597001754894337
using an article about a tough time a new york hospital is having to try and get one up on trump
what an evil fvcking bitch
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 05:55:00 PM
using an article about a tough time a new york hospital is having to try and get one up on trumpAlmost as Evil as the one who led the country to that spot
what an evil fvcking bitch
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 27, 2020, 05:58:23 PM
Almost as Evil as the one who led the country to that spot
i am not a fan of trump, he has fvcked this situation up royally, but let's not act like hilary is doing this out of remorse over the lives of the people we've lost. she was doing this for her own fcking image and ego
how can she even think of saying something like this to somebody after benghazi? she literally lives in an alternate reality. one of the worst human beings of all time
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 06:01:17 PM
i am not a fan of trump, he has fvcked this situation up royally, but let's not act like hilary is doing this out of remorse over the lives of the people we've lost. she was doing this for her own fcking image and egoWould you expect anything less from trump?
how can she even think of saying something like this to somebody after benghazi? she literally lives in an alternate reality. one of the worst human beings of all time
You who cares about decorum? Right wingers when they've got nothing else to complain about
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 06:17:27 PM
Would you expect anything less from trump?
You who cares about decorum? Right wingers when they've got nothing else to complain about
Who gives a excrement about Trump. If she posted on Twitter trumps an poopchute i wouldn't give a excrement. Instead she's basically using the suffering of millions as a sarcastic joke.
Trumps a piece of excrement, but so is Hillary.
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 06:23:32 PM
Who gives a excrement about Trump. If she posted on Twitter trumps an poopchute i wouldn't give a excrement. Instead she's basically using the suffering of millions as a sarcastic joke.
Trumps a piece of excrement, but so is Hillary.
She basically posted what Reuben did on Wednesday, but actually pointed it at someone who bears some degree of culpability. I don't really understand the problem other than "wah wah Clintons".
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
She basically posted what Reuben did on Wednesday, but actually pointed it at someone who bears some degree of culpability. I don't really understand the problem other than "wah wah Clintons".
She lobbed an insult at Trump. Who do you think found it more offensive. Trump, or people who have lost someone to coronavirus or have someone they care about having the disease?
Imagine someone doing that to Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
I don't disagree Trump has been awful with this. But she's being absolutely classless and shitty. Of course her being a nasty unlikable freak is the reason Trumps president in the first place
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
She lobbed an insult at Trump. Who do you think found it more offensive. Trump, or people who have lost someone to coronavirus or have someone they care about having the disease?
Imagine someone doing that to Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
I don't disagree Trump has been awful with this. But she's being absolutely classless and shitty. Of course her being a nasty unlikable freak is the reason Trumps president in the first place
I don't think Bush post 9/11 is comparable because nothing is comparable to the Trump election campaign.
She doesn't hold public office any more. I suspect her position is that no more fucks are given. After the way she has been treated, I can't say I blame her.
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 06:57:09 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
I don't think Bush post 9/11 is comparable because nothing is comparable to the Trump election campaign.
She doesn't hold public office any more. I suspect her position is that no more fucks are given. After the way she has been treated, I can't say I blame her.
People don't need to hold public office to be civil and decent human beings. Obama criticizes Trump all the time, and he's honest about it but acts like a civilized person.
She still was the democratic presidential candidate and first Lady among countless other things. Regardless my point is what she said is disrespectful to the wrong people. Sure it pisses off crazy Trump supporters who will argue everything.
But it gives Trump ammunition, and it slaps people in NYC in the face
Post by: IATA on March 27, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
Nothing matters any more
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
The only people I've seen complaining about anything is people who think decorum means anything in 2020. Trump threw all that excrement out the window.
Nothing matters any more
Good, it was all pretend bullshit anyway
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 27, 2020, 08:50:19 PM
The only people I've seen complaining about anything is people who think decorum means anything in 2020. Trump threw all that excrement out the window.
Nothing matters any more
she is literally the reason why we have trump
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2020, 09:53:08 PM
https://twitter.com/cadiethompson/status/1243583711377006594?s=21Boomers
Why are people on cruises right now
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2020, 09:53:19 PM
Good news everyone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 10:37:09 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 27, 2020, 11:28:13 PM
It’s v hard for people to comprehend that both Trump and Hillary can be shitty human beings
not really , I think DCM has done a great job explaining the 2.
Dswordz as well
Post by: Miamipuck on March 28, 2020, 03:05:04 AM
China cooking the books........nah
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll?sref=yP39NlD2 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll?sref=yP39NlD2)
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Stacks of Urns in Wuhan Prompt New Questions of Virus’s Toll
March 27, 2020, 1:06 AM EDT
Photos of thousands of ash urns circulate on social media
China’s public has questioned the accuracy of government tally
The long lines and stacks of ash urns greeting family members of the dead at funeral homes in Wuhan are spurring questions (https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/135068402.html?weibo_id=4486918609669628) about the true scale of coronavirus casualties at the epicenter of the outbreak, renewing pressure on a Chinese government struggling to control its containment narrative.
The families of those who succumbed to the virus in the central Chinese city, where the disease first emerged in December, were allowed to pick up their cremated ashes at eight local funeral homes starting this week. As they did, photos (http://photos.caixin.com/2020-03-26/101534542.html) circulated on Chinese social media of thousands of urns being ferried in.
Outside one funeral home, trucks shipped in (http://photos.caixin.com/2020-03-26/101534542_6.html#picture) about 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday, according to Chinese media outlet Caixin. Another picture published by Caixin showed 3,500 urns stacked on the ground inside. It’s unclear how many of the urns had been filled.
People who answered the phone at six of the eight funeral homes in Wuhan said they either did not have data on how many urns were waiting to be collected, or were not authorized to disclose the numbers. Calls were not answered at the other two.
Some families said they had been forced to wait for several hours to pick up the ashes. The photos circulated as mass deaths from the virus spiked in cities across the west, including Milan, Madrid and New York, where hospitals were erecting tents to handle the overflow as global infections soar past 500,000, with 24,000 dead.
According to Chinese government figures, 2,535 people in Wuhan have died of the virus. The announcement that a lockdown in place since January would be lifted came after China said its tally of new cases had hit zero and stepped up diplomatic outreach to other countries hard hit by the virus, sending some of them medical supplies.
But some in China have been skeptical of the accuracy of the official tally, particularly given Wuhan’s overwhelmed medical system, authorities’ attempts to cover up the outbreak in its initial stages, and multiple revisions (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/what-you-need-to-know-about-shock-45-jump-in-hubei-virus-cases) to the way official cases are counted. Residents on social media have demanded disciplinary action against top Wuhan officials.
Many people who died had Covid-19 symptoms, but weren’t tested and excluded from the official case tally, Caixin said. There were also patients who died of other diseases due to a lack of proper treatment (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-20/busy-fighting-coronavirus-china-has-no-room-for-other-patients) when hospitals were overwhelmed dealing with those who had the coronavirus.
There were 56,007 cremations in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019, according to data (http://mzj.wuhan.gov.cn/tjxx/387166.jhtml) from the city’s civil affairs agency. The number of cremations was 1,583 higher than those in the fourth quarter of 2018 and 2,231 higher than the fourth quarter of 2017.Mourning Restrictions
The families of the deceased may not be able to say a proper goodbye to their loved ones just yet. Wuhan’s government issued a statement (https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2020-03-26/doc-iimxxsth1865430.shtml) on Thursday prohibiting individuals in the city from tomb-sweeping activities until April 30, meaning they would not be able to observe the traditional April 4 Ching Ming Festival, or tomb sweeping holiday. Other provinces including Guangxi and Zhejiang have also announced similar restrictions.
Two locals in Wuhan who have lost family members to the virus said online that they were informed they had to be accompanied by their employers or officials from neighborhood committees when picking up the urns, likely as a measure against public gatherings.
“I was told by district government to wait until further notice on when I can pick up my father’s ashes,” one Wuhan resident using the name “Xue Zai Shou Zhong,” meaning “snow in hand,” posted (https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/135061230.html?weibo_id=4486827878157424) on Weibo. “There is a staggered arrangement for urn collecting.”
Another Weibo user using the handle Adagier said (https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/135060786.html?weibo_id=4486884614748727) she lost her husband to the coronavirus and had since been contacted by police warning her not to be too emotional -- and to stop posting online.
“I have only one demand,” she wrote. “I want to give my husband a proper burial as soon as possible.”
— With assistance by Sharon Chen, Dandan Li, and Claire Che
Post by: Gorilla on March 28, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
It’s v hard for people to comprehend that both Trump and Hillary can be shitty human beings
I disagree, as far as the majority of people.
It seems to be harder the farther left/right you go in ideology, and the more you listen to whichever MSM best represents the bubble you live in/happened to be raised in. But for the most part I think that constitutes the fringe or the minority.
I think all or most just here in this forum, anecdotally, would agree that both Trump and Hillary are trash people, and are disheartened by the fact that they were the best their respective parties could produce for a nomination. I think the majority of people who are actually fans of the job Trump is doing would also admit that he's a piece of excrement as a person...it's a reasonable and obvious observation with decades of evidence.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
I disagree, as far as the majority of people.
It seems to be harder the farther left/right you go in ideology, and the more you listen to whichever MSM best represents the bubble you live in/happened to be raised in. But for the most part I think that constitutes the fringe or the minority.
I think all or most just here in this forum, anecdotally, would agree that both Trump and Hillary are trash people, and are disheartened by the fact that they were the best their respective parties could produce for a nomination. I think the majority of people who are actually fans of the job Trump is doing would also admit that he's a piece of excrement as a person...it's a reasonable and obvious observation with decades of evidence.
You should post more
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2020, 07:23:23 PM
Post by: IATA on March 28, 2020, 08:45:49 PM
I disagree, as far as the majority of people.word
It seems to be harder the farther left/right you go in ideology, and the more you listen to whichever MSM best represents the bubble you live in/happened to be raised in. But for the most part I think that constitutes the fringe or the minority.
I think all or most just here in this forum, anecdotally, would agree that both Trump and Hillary are trash people, and are disheartened by the fact that they were the best their respective parties could produce for a nomination. I think the majority of people who are actually fans of the job Trump is doing would also admit that he's a piece of excrement as a person...it's a reasonable and obvious observation with decades of evidence.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 28, 2020, 10:18:50 PM
Thoughts and prayers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 07:46:41 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/coronavirus-deaths-mount-trump-s-handling-intelligence-warnings-looks-worse-ncna1169996
The panicking is increasingly getting on my funbags.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured
Ok Trump
You can tell I'm different to Trump by the way I'm quoting a link with actual scientists and excrement.
But you agree Trump is correct
As I long since gave up listening to anything that buffoon says because it's almost entirely made up in his head, I have no idea. It is true that a stopped clock is occasionally correct, but not often.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 09:33:12 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 09:33:54 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 10:30:01 AM
Lol, his response
Post by: Miamipuck on March 29, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1243302098915201024 (https://mobile.twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1243302098915201024)
I don't mean in the idiotic comments, go to that personz Twitter
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 01:30:52 PM
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 01:36:57 PM
The first day people are allowed to go out/have parties is going to be an unprecedented ragerSt. Easter Gras De Mayo Memorial BBQ
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 02:05:26 PM
St. Easter Gras De Mayo Memorial BBQAlso on Tit Monday
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
The first day people are allowed to go out/have parties is going to be an unprecedented rager
Coronavirus defeated. Health system now collapsing under a fresh wave of beer injuries and gonorrhea.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 02:53:41 PM
Coronavirus defeated. Health system now collapsing under a fresh wave of beer injuries and gonorrhea.Buffalo is ground zero.
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
Buffalo is ground zero.I hope it kills them all, I'm so freaking sick of this stupid "look how fun these chaps are with their tables and their drunkenness" narrative. They're annoying cunts and their city is a pooper.
Post by: guinness77 on March 29, 2020, 03:08:04 PM
I hope it kills them all, I'm so freaking sick of this stupid "look how fun these chaps are with their tables and their drunkenness" narrative. They're annoying cunts and their city is a pooper.Haha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 03:10:28 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
We’re at the exponential growth stage. It took a month to go from 1 death to 1,000 deaths. We just went from 1,000 deaths to 2,000 deaths over 48 hours.I think it's certainly spreading, but I think a lot of the increase is just from testing more people. Can't be positive if you can't get tested.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
Rikers update
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
I think it's certainly spreading, but I think a lot of the increase is just from testing more people. Can't be positive if you can't get tested.
The increase in deaths is due to more people getting tested?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 04:15:52 PM
The increase in deaths is due to more people getting tested?No, cases. Sorry. I can't read or write.
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
The increase in deaths is due to more people getting tested?
The more people are tested for dead, the more people we will know are dead. It's science
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
The more people are tested for dead, the more people we will know are dead. It's scienceWe don't have a test for dead yet. It's still being developed. Gonna be yuge though.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
And its crazy how many freaking people have move on with their lives
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 04:42:05 PM
poopchute.
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus bill
Brr brr
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus bill
I think it's very safe bet that the rich are. And it'll be through a combination of everything.
The question will be who and how rich is defined
Unless of course trumps elected and we just decide to spend another couple of trillion dollars on pseudorepublican socialism
Post by: Pope on March 29, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Just noting that nobody asked how we're going to pay for the $2T stimulus billhttps://brrr.money/
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2020, 06:47:04 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 07:17:32 PM
Guys, you can relax, it looks like it's actually going to be OK for you. The Feds have sent you lots of generators but the nurses may be hoarding them, is all."The hospitals had the masturbators they just didn't know where they were. It's OK now. Plenty of carburetors to go around."
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 07:43:17 PM
I think it's very safe bet that the rich are. And it'll be through a combination of everything.The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.
The question will be who and how rich is defined
Unless of course trumps elected and we just decide to spend another couple of trillion dollars on pseudorepublican socialism
We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
Looks like Trump gave up on Easter resurrection. Punted to 4/30.Loyal heard "punt", he'll be here to comment.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 29, 2020, 08:14:01 PM
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.Everyone is a socialist during a war/pandemic/crisis.
We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 08:15:37 PM
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.
We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.
I would love to tax the wealthy but they make the rules so I don’t see it happening anytime soon
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2020, 08:19:28 PM
The point is they don't need a pay-for, they can just spend the money and the world keeps turning.
We could tax the wealthy just for fun though.
The world keeps turning... until it doesn't. There will still be inflationary effects and negative effects from using the money printer. The debt will come back eventually. Although I would tend to agree that it seems that national debt seems to have a higher threshold than previously thought, provided that other major nations also go into a load of debt.
If some sort of payment method becomes more popular/used, I don't see how the USD, along with the Euro, Yen, etc., are not in trouble, though. But that's seemingly down the road, so today's politicians can just kick the can I suppose.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
I would love to tax the wealthy but they make the rules so I don’t see it happening anytime soon
With the amount of spending we will tax the wealthy. It doesn't matter who makes the rules
Trumps feeling the Bern and soon we all will be. The rich has all the money, and the United States has a massive credit card bill. You're not going to pay off several trillion dollars taxing the middle class, the money just doesn't exist
Post by: reuben on March 29, 2020, 08:40:06 PM
With the amount of spending we will tax the wealthy. It doesn't matter who makes the rules
Trumps feeling the Bern and soon we all will be. The rich has all the money, and the United States has a massive credit card bill. You're not going to pay off several trillion dollars taxing the middle class, the money just doesn't exist
We literally just gave a tax break to the wealthy as a component of the stimulus deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
We literally just gave a tax break to the wealthy as a component of the stimulus deal.
Don’t tell the people that vote for the democrats that wrote this bill
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 08:58:08 PM
We literally just gave a tax break to the wealthy as a component of the stimulus deal.
The tax break was to the rich and the poor
Except the actual middle class. We got fucked in the poopchute
No lube as always
Post by: reuben on March 29, 2020, 09:34:48 PM
The tax break was to the rich and the poor
Yes, all the working class, average Joe's who sustained over $500,000 in real estate depreciation last year will finally get the leg up they deserve.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 29, 2020, 10:12:30 PM
Yes, all the working class, average Joe's who sustained over $500,000 in real estate depreciation last year will finally get the leg up they deserve.
I don't know what you're sarcasm is referring to. But the rich got hooked up and the poor got hooked up
The middle class got dick. That's my story and I'm sticking with it
But the rent utilities tax mortgage and all other kinds of deferments are aimed at the poor. Not to mention the poor also get free money, and a huge boost to their unemployment checks.
So yes the poor absolutely got hooked up by this deal. The middle class is the ones who get fucked and benefit from next to nothing. Ironically the majority of medical people who are going to end up with PTSD from this excrement will probably benefit the least from all this.
And I'd bet money there doesn't end up being some kind of bill akin to the 9/11 rescue workers one where workers who got seriously sick/PTSD from working in dangerously unsafe conditions get taken care of. I realize it's not feasible, but nobody gives a freak about them either
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 10:35:46 PM
The world keeps turning... until it doesn't. There will still be inflationary effects and negative effects from using the money printer. The debt will come back eventually. Although I would tend to agree that it seems that national debt seems to have a higher threshold than previously thought, provided that other major nations also go into a load of debt.For starters USD and the Euro are not at all comparable when it comes to deficit spending.
If some sort of payment method becomes more popular/used, I don't see how the USD, along with the Euro, Yen, etc., are not in trouble, though. But that's seemingly down the road, so today's politicians can just kick the can I suppose.
There is no limit to what the government can spend, only what it can buy. And we'd all be better off trying to get them to buy things that benefit us.
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/josephbernstein/elmhurst-hospital-coronavirus-ventilator-ppe-crisis?__twitter_impression=true
My MIL retired (RN) from this hospital the year my son was born. I'm so glad she's not there now.
Post by: Jumbo on March 29, 2020, 11:00:37 PM
For starters USD and the Euro are not at all comparable when it comes to deficit spending.
There is no limit to what the government can spend, only what it can buy. And we'd all be better off trying to get them to buy things that benefit us.
They're not directly comparable. But they are definitely comparable.
"There is no limit to what the government can spend" is a false truism. The German government could spend as many Deutsche marks as it wanted, but with too much inflation they couldn't print enough money to keep up with the depreciation of value.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 03:54:43 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 03:58:17 AM
And it sounds by some reports that that is kind of optimistic, maybe?
Here's the quote
Trump said his administration was extending the guidelines in order to avoid a major death toll. The president pointed to modeling that forecast 2.2 million deaths in the U.S. if drastic measures weren’t taken to mitigate the outbreak. Trump said the administration is working to keep the projected death toll below 100,000.
“So if we can hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000, it’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job,” Trump said.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 07:00:27 AM
The white house has said the goal is to keep the deathBon Jovi- Keep the Death Tour 2020
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 07:05:43 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 07:21:37 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 07:38:44 AM
This is an actual advertisement from the world health organizationfix your pix
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Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 07:45:01 AM
fix your pix
Shows up for me?
Post by: delavan on March 30, 2020, 08:05:34 AM
Johnson & Johnson said Monday human testing of its experimental vaccine for the coronavirus will begin by September and it could be available for emergency use authorization in early 2021.
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/johnson-johnson-to-begin-clinical-trials-on-coronavirus-vaccine-candidate.html
Johnson & Johnson said Monday human testing of its experimental vaccine for the coronavirus will begin by September and it could be available for emergency use authorization in early 2021.
How about next week instead....thanks.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 30, 2020, 08:46:10 AM
How about next week instead....thanks.
Woody is busy being an Ambassador he doesn't have time for silly pandemics.
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 04:46:42 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl season
We're not going to have a season, man.
No sports this year.
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl season
Seems a little early to be predicting that camps will be delayed just long enough to require the season to start two weeks late.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 05:35:20 PM
Seems a little early to be predicting that camps will be delayed just long enough to require the season to start two weeks late.
Well that hasn't been predicted (at least not to my knowledge)
Could still be a late start season, no bye weeks, shortened camp, empty stadiums, combination of all of the above etc.
Regardless it is peculiar that they didn't delay the draft even thoguh its virtually guaranteed the season is not starting on time
We're not going to have a season, man.
No sports this year.
Certainly possible but money talks. And with it still being March anything can happen. But with billions on the line I don't think the decision to cancel a season would be made until the absolute last second imaginly possible. Which probably means August if I were to guess
Post by: Hemi on March 30, 2020, 05:59:13 PM
Increasing rumors that Corona will lead to a 14 game nfl seasonway to speculate on excrement you know nothing about. Who speculated? Your mom?
Post by: Jumbo on March 30, 2020, 05:59:48 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 06:11:37 PM
We're not going to have a season, man.I agree. If we are lucky we will start with some fanless games.
No sports this year.
Post by: klaximilian on March 30, 2020, 06:16:52 PM
If the latest projections are accurate at all, the country will be back up and running buy June/July.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:29:59 PM
If the latest projections are accurate at all, the country will be back up and running buy June/July.
Wishful thinking
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:31:31 PM
I expect we'll see this happen with fall sports when the time comes...
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Source: my genius
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2020, 06:38:05 PM
Why have we peaked?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:39:26 PM
I can’t see sports being cancelled altogether. I think we’re at the peak of this mess, hoping it starts to settle down. Preseason will prob be delayed and cut down to 2 games with whatever regular season it takes to make SuperBowl Sunday happen during Presidents Day Weekend to make that following Monday an unofficial holiday.
Source: my genius
We're unfortunately not even close to the peak yet. It hasn't truly hit Houston or Dallas yet. Chicago is going to look a lot like NYC in a short time.
If Johnson and Johnson is developing the vaccine for it and it's not going to be out until 2021, this is going to drag out. I hate it for everyone, but this is going to be a much longer process than we all anticipated.
People are showing up in New Orleans with respiratory symptoms, being put onto a ventilator, and dying within 4 hours. It's going to wreck a lot of people and it hasn't hit a lot of major cities yet.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:40:51 PM
What makes you think we've peaked? Is it the steadily increasing numbers of infected and death? Is it people still ignoring orders to stay home?
Why have we peaked?
Not even close to peaking. It hasn't even peaked in New York.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:42:08 PM
but money talks
Hundreds of thousands of dead people says a lot more than money
The NFL cannot put its fans or players at risk. The empty stadium idea is optimistic, but if those players start dropping with the virus, the league folds until next year. Better to be safe than sorry.
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 06:44:52 PM
We're unfortunately not at the peak yet. It hasn't truly hit Houston or Dallas yet. Chicago is going to look a lot like NYC in a short time.We probably think differently because I’ve been in the middle of this for a while. I’ve been quarantined for something like 3 weeks now. What are we supposed to do in NYC/NJ? Sit around for 6 months?
If Johnson and Johnson is developing the vaccine for it and it's not going to be out until 2021, this is going to drag out. I hate it for everyone, but this is going to be a much longer process than we all anticipated.
I understand the need to limit contagion but I’m not sure how the long term plan of people being inside helps much. That being said, I’m not advocating people go out and have massive parties and flood bars and such but surely we can start to slowly introduce people into the public in stages.
How you achieve it properly is not my job but my stance is you take the healthy and those that have tested positive/recovered to start working their way back into normalcy.
I went to Whole Foods to pick up some necessities and the number of shut down businesses I passed was alarming. I fear we will hit 40+% unemployment numbers and whatever stimulus packages the government is pushing will cause the dollar to inflate to useless levels
Post by: guinness77 on March 30, 2020, 06:45:01 PM
Hundreds of thousands of dead people says a lot more than moneyGoodell doesn’t care about the players in his league, let alone the fans.
The NFL cannot put its fans or players at risk. The empty stadium idea is optimistic, but if those players start dropping with the virus, the league folds until next year. Better to be safe than sorry.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 06:51:48 PM
We probably think differently because I’ve been in the middle of this for a while.
I've been sheltered-in-place for almost two weeks now. It's not close to being as bad here as it is there, but the entire city which thrives on music and food/bev is shutdown.
My fears come from what my mom, who is an ENT nurse practitioner, is telling me about what they are hearing...specifically from New Orleans and Miami. Doctors are being advised not to use stethoscopes. They are getting overwhelmed and overtaken by people with ARS. I'm concerned because the people outside of NY and NJ think they can go into public and continue living life.
The entire country should've been shutdown for all of March and then maybe, we'd have a chance of getting back to normal by summer...but it's here now and it's going to take out a excrement ton of people, unfortunately.
I don't give a damn about the economy at this point. It's long gone.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 07:00:49 PM
way to speculate on excrement you know nothing about. Who speculated? Your mom?
Yes that's what I did. I speculated. Entirely my speculation.
Post by: guinness77 on March 30, 2020, 07:01:52 PM
I've been sheltered-in-place for almost two weeks now. It's not close to being as bad here as it is there, but the entire city which thrives on music and food/bev is shutdown.This times a million.
My fears come from what my mom, who is an ENT nurse practitioner, is telling me about what they are hearing...specifically from New Orleans and Miami. Doctors are being advised not to use stethoscopes. They are getting overwhelmed and overtaken by people with ARS. I'm concerned because the people outside of NY and NJ think they can go into public and continue living life.
The entire country should've been shutdown for all of March and then maybe, we'd have a chance of getting back to normal by summer...but it's here now and it's going to take out a excrement ton of people, unfortunately.
I don't give a damn about the economy at this point. It's long gone.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 07:04:40 PM
Hundreds of thousands of dead people says a lot more than money
The NFL cannot put its fans or players at risk. The empty stadium idea is optimistic, but if those players start dropping with the virus, the league folds until next year. Better to be safe than sorry.
I 100% agree.
I think the players (greed?) or ambition, whatever you want to call it comes into play.
Are they willing to risk their health (even more) for potentially millions of dollars? Are players willing to subject themselves to intensely scrutinized isolation for the entire duration of the season?
I don't know what would happen but the players and ownership would have to come to a compromise. And things would certainly end immediately if it backfired.
But again there's many months for ideas to change and come up with contingency plans
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
Maybe death is just the cheapest solution
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2020, 07:27:01 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 30, 2020, 07:28:57 PM
I'd actually love to see an NFL game played in an empty stadium. It would be so bizarre and we'd finally be able to match other teams' crowd noise.
Id be more interested in hearing all the excrement talking
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 07:35:42 PM
I've been sheltered-in-place for almost two weeks now. It's not close to being as bad here as it is there, but the entire city which thrives on music and food/bev is shutdown.I think peak virus numbers have hit but the next worry I have is rent and debts being due. April will probably be forgiven/postponed but what happens after that?
My fears come from what my mom, who is an ENT nurse practitioner, is telling me about what they are hearing...specifically from New Orleans and Miami. Doctors are being advised not to use stethoscopes. They are getting overwhelmed and overtaken by people with ARS. I'm concerned because the people outside of NY and NJ think they can go into public and continue living life.
The entire country should've been shutdown for all of March and then maybe, we'd have a chance of getting back to normal by summer...but it's here now and it's going to take out a excrement ton of people, unfortunately.
I don't give a damn about the economy at this point. It's long gone.
I have clientele in residential and commercial real estate firms and while they’ve amended the leases for this month and next month they have mortgages due for the buildings that have to be paid while cash flow is stopped. Speaking to their owners they’re worried the banks may press down on them for mortgage payments at which point you may start seeing evictions.
I don’t want to paint anybody in a good or bad light but what my fear has always been is what happens when people have no money, no job, empty refrigerators, and a need to provide for their families? That day is coming in a month or two time and that’s when I think this gets scary.
Post by: Jumbo on March 30, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
I don't give a damn about the economy at this point. It's long gone.
Completely meaningless. What do you think shutting down businesses for months will actually entail for the future when "the economy is long gone"?
We need basic production of goods and services, and much of said production is heavily interrelated. Resource production can't just be shut down for months, and even partial shutdowns leaving only "essential" businesses open will lead to problems eventually.
You can't send people checks forever while nothing is produced.
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 07:55:11 PM
Completely meaningless. What do you think shutting down businesses for months will actually entail for the future when "the economy is long gone"?Thank you this is what I’ve been trying to get at. Everyone is satisfied sitting on their bed watching Netflix and playing video games while collecting paychecks/unemployment indefinitely. Living for 6 months in some NEET fantasy is not sustainable for our current standards of living.
We need basic production of goods and services, and much of said production is heavily interrelated. Resource production can't just be shut down for months, and even partial shutdowns leaving only "essential" businesses open will lead to problems eventually.
You can't send people checks forever while nothing is produced.
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2020, 08:07:09 PM
Thank you this is what I’ve been trying to get at. Everyone is satisfied sitting on their bed watching Netflix and playing video games while collecting paychecks/unemployment indefinitely. Living for 6 months in some NEET fantasy is not sustainable for our current standards of living.Nothing is gonna change until all the ignorant schmucks learn to stay home from the beach and other public venues.
And it sounds like nothing will change until the military starts ordering people at gunpoint. Yes, I think we’re at that point.
Freedoms and rights are nice to have until you have a bunch of assholes who use them as an excuse to do whatever the freak they want despite the consequences....we’re going through the same excrement up here too. People just don’t get it.
Post by: klaximilian on March 30, 2020, 08:12:01 PM
What makes you think we've peaked? Is it the steadily increasing numbers of infected and death? Is it people still ignoring orders to stay home?
Why have we peaked?
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
http://www.healthdata.org/research-article/forecasting-covid-19-impact-hospital-bed-days-icu-days-ventilator-days-and-deaths
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 08:21:04 PM
My wife just got furloughed and we just bought this house back at the end if January lol. I definitely don't make enough to float us both. That's already with 2 jobs with 0 days off lol .
Maybe death is just the cheapest solution
Well I don't know what her income is like
But unless you're near the high end of things, the new unemployment benefits ain't bad, at least for the first 3 months
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 08:25:48 PM
I think peak virus numbers have hit but the next worry I have is rent and debts being due. April will probably be forgiven/postponed but what happens after that?
I have clientele in residential and commercial real estate firms and while they’ve amended the leases for this month and next month they have mortgages due for the buildings that have to be paid while cash flow is stopped. Speaking to their owners they’re worried the banks may press down on them for mortgage payments at which point you may start seeing evictions.
I don’t want to paint anybody in a good or bad light but what my fear has always been is what happens when people have no money, no job, empty refrigerators, and a need to provide for their families? That day is coming in a month or two time and that’s when I think this gets scary.
Were not even near the peak for NY yet.
I think 3 weeks or so could* be New Yorks peak based on what I've read
With all the fucktards out there I think the only way it goes away in NY is if enough people get the freaking disease so they all become immune. Too many assholes ignoring everything.
Martial law would have been the solution a while ago, now it's too much to contain. The best bet is just prepare for surge capicty in medical facilities and prevent the rest of the country from being such a complete freaking diasaster.
I think all eyes need to be on California and Florida. If those two states go bad excrement will get real ugly. With California being massive and Florida being disproportionately vulnerable
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2020, 08:29:05 PM
Were not even near the peak for NY yet.
I think 3 weeks or so could* be New Yorks peak based on what I've read
With all the fucktards out there I think the only way it goes away in NY is if enough people get the freaking disease so they all become immune. Too many assholes ignoring everything.
Martial law would have been the solution a while ago, now it's too much to contain. The best bet is just prepare for surge capicty in medical facilities and prevent the rest of the country from being such a complete freaking diasaster.
I think all eyes need to be on California and Florida. If those two states go bad excrement will get real ugly. With California being massive and Florida being disproportionately vulnerable
*Marshall Law
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 08:29:53 PM
I think all eyes need to be on California and Florida. If those two states go bad excrement will get real ugly. With California being massive and Florida being disproportionately vulnerable
You have to keep an eye on Houston, because if it gets bad in Houston, it spreads to Dallas and Mexico like wildfire.
Post by: Jumbo on March 30, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
*Marshall Law
Murphy Law*
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 08:36:15 PM
*Marshall Law
Making me doubt myself
Cruel
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 08:37:49 PM
You have to keep an eye on Houston, because if it gets bad in Houston, it spreads to Dallas and Mexico like wildfire.
Makes sense
I'm completely ignorant on the existence and population of Texas
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 08:40:37 PM
Were not even near the peak for NY yet.The numbers for NY are difficult to gauge because of the lack of testing. I think the actual viral peak in NYC is now or may have even passed. People were being turned away from testing or hospitals if they didn’t exhibit all symptoms or were of better health.
I think 3 weeks or so could* be New Yorks peak based on what I've read
With all the fucktards out there I think the only way it goes away in NY is if enough people get the freaking disease so they all become immune. Too many assholes ignoring everything.
Martial law would have been the solution a while ago, now it's too much to contain. The best bet is just prepare for surge capicty in medical facilities and prevent the rest of the country from being such a complete freaking diasaster.
I think all eyes need to be on California and Florida. If those two states go bad excrement will get real ugly. With California being massive and Florida being disproportionately vulnerable
Now that testing is becoming more available (relatively speaking) the numbers are skyrocketing. I’d wager the number of people with untested corona virus in NY/NJ is exponentially higher than the confirmed number, especially in early March.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2020, 08:56:08 PM
The numbers for NY are difficult to gauge because of the lack of testing. I think the actual viral peak in NYC is now or may have even passed. People were being turned away from testing or hospitals if they didn’t exhibit all symptoms or were of better health.
Now that testing is becoming more available (relatively speaking) the numbers are skyrocketing. I’d wager the number of people with untested corona virus in NY/NJ is exponentially higher than the confirmed number, especially in early March.
I thought NY basically said freak testing were just going to assume everyone has it, and tell you to go home unless you aren't stable because everything's over capicity.
I think that's a significant part of the freaking problem is people who are sick, but not seriously so, being so terrified that they all want to go to the hospital thinking it's safer than their own homes.
But I'm purely going off what's reported, I haven't seen anything report its happened so far. The latest projection I've seen is from the bill gates foundation/university of Washington suggesting the NY peak will be April 10th. With 15,000 dead in NY by August. With almost 90,000 in the country dead over the next 4 months
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2020, 08:58:07 PM
From 1 to 1,500 fatalities: 27 days
From 1,500 to 3,000 fatalities: 3 days
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 30, 2020, 09:00:03 PM
The numbers for NY are difficult to gauge because of the lack of testing. I think the actual viral peak in NYC is now or may have even passed. People were being turned away from testing or hospitals if they didn’t exhibit all symptoms or were of better health.Thinking that we've peaked is based purely on raw optimism and nothing that the numbers have said.
Now that testing is becoming more available (relatively speaking) the numbers are skyrocketing. I’d wager the number of people with untested corona virus in NY/NJ is exponentially higher than the confirmed number, especially in early March.
You are correct that due to the lack of testing that the numbers are tough to gauge. But everything the numbers have said so far is that we have not peaked. Maybe in certain places, they are getting close to a peak, but definitely not nationwide. Florida is going to get ravaged soon.
Most of us have been quarantined for a while. I drove my car today for the first time in over 2 weeks.
Post by: Pope on March 30, 2020, 09:03:34 PM
Thinking that we've peaked is based purely on raw optimism and nothing that the numbers have said.I meant peaked in terms of NYC and immediate suburbs. The quarantine and work from home orders have been in place for weeks. I can’t see it booming if not for additional testing.
You are correct that due to the lack of testing that the numbers are tough to gauge. But everything the numbers have said so far is that we have not peaked. Maybe in certain places, they are getting close to a peak, but definitely not nationwide. Florida is going to get ravaged soon.
Most of us have been quarantined for a while. I drove my car today for the first time in over 2 weeks.
Sure people are out in parks and such but I think that’s been the minority.
I can’t speak to Florida and other states because I’m not there. I work in IT and have been out in the field when not at home out of necessity and can only report what I’ve seen first hand.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2020, 09:04:46 PM
- Italy: 919
- Spain: 913
- France: 418
- China: 254
- New York: 253 (Today)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2020, 09:28:10 PM
Makes sense
I'm completely ignorant on the existence and population of Texas
Only California has more people.
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelshindler/status/1244762981226995714?s=21
inb4 trump sees and brags about his prince albert
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 12:17:31 AM
Next welfare package not too far off
Should be able to get that nice wishlist of nonsense from the other thread on the to do list
Global warming centers for the arts etc
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2020, 12:41:33 AM
https://twitter.com/michaelshindler/status/1244762981226995714?s=21A friend of mine in the UK works in broadcasting (Badger met him at the Bills game this season just gone). He used to work with a very well known and by all appearances straight laced BBC presenter whose nickname in the production offices was Tinsel funbags, on account of the amount of metal he had dangling off various bits of himself beneath the nice suit.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 01:25:22 AM
Article from the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-langone-tells-er-doctors-to-think-more-critically-about-who-gets-ventilators-11585618990?mod=hp_lead_pos4 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-langone-tells-er-doctors-to-think-more-critically-about-who-gets-ventilators-11585618990?mod=hp_lead_pos4)
NYU Langone Tells ER Doctors to ‘Think More Critically’ About Who Gets Ventilators
New York health center says it will support emergency-room staff who ‘withhold futile intubations,’ threatens to discipline doctors who talk to the press
An email from the emergency-medicine department chief at NYU Langone Health says the institution will support decisions by ER doctors to ‘withhold futile intubations.’
PHOTO: JOHN MINCHILLO/ASSOCIATED PRESS
By Shalini Ramachandran and Joe Palazzolo
March 30, 2020 9:43 pm ET
NYU Langone Health, one of the nation’s top academic medical centers, told emergency-room doctors that they have “sole discretion” to place patients on ventilators and institutional backing to “withhold futile intubations.”
A March 28 email from Robert Femia, who heads the New York health center’s department of emergency medicine, underscored the life-or-death decisions placed on the shoulders of bedside physicians as they treat increasing numbers of coronavirus patients with a limited supply of ventilators.
New York state guidelines, established in 2015, recommend that hospitals appoint a triage officer or committee—someone other than the attending physician—to decide who gets a ventilator when rationing is necessary. The guidelines say that removing the decision from the physician treating the patient avoids a conflict of interest, allows an officer or committee with access to overall ventilator availability to make the call and prevents health worker burnout and stress.
Dr. Femia said in his email, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, that experts and leaders at NYU Langone were creating internal guidance on how to allocate ventilators, which are in short supply across New York City. But the emergency department couldn’t afford to wait, he said.
“In Emergency Medicine, we do not have the luxury of time, data, or committees to help with our critical triage decisions,” he wrote. “Senior hospital leadership recognizes this and supports us to use our best clinical judgment.”
Dr. Femia wrote that decisions about “airway management” and whether to use a ventilator or other respiratory support devices were at the sole discretion of treating physicians, but he told doctors to “think more critically about who we intubate.”
“For those patients who you feel intubation will not change their ultimate clinical outcome (for example cardiac arrests, some chronic disease patients at end of life, etc) you will have support in your decision making at the department and institutional level to withhold futile intubations,” he wrote, referring to the tubes attached to ventilators that are inserted in the mouths of patients and sit above the lungs.
Jim Mandler, a spokesman for NYU Langone Health, said Dr. Femia’s email outlined guidance that had long been in place.
A Langone Health hospital in New York City, where the staff has been handling a rising number of coronavirus cases.
“We felt it was important to re-emphasize to our emergency medicine staff what these guidelines explicitly say, and to assure them that the decisions that they make at the bedside will be supported,” he said.
Mr. Mandler added that NYU Langone was “not at the point in which these judgments need to be made within the current scope of care.”
Dr. Femia’s email came amid a surge in patients at NYU Langone hospitals.
NYU Langone Medical Center in Manhattan recorded 332 coronavirus patients in hospital beds on Monday, an 84% increase since Thursday, according to internal figures sent to staffers.
Another 125 patients were in intensive care on Monday, more than double the number reported by the hospital on Thursday, according to the internal figures. At NYU Langone Hospital—Brooklyn, intensive-care patients increased to 36 from 21 over that same period.
NYU medical-school residents also treat patients at NYC Health + Hospitals/Bellevue, the city’s largest public hospital, which had 448 coronavirus patients in intensive care as of Monday, according to the figures.
Some NYU Langone doctors said they were unsettled by Dr. Femia’s email.
“Asking ED physicians to make snap judgments about how well a patient will do based on little to no information is a tremendous burden to place on them,” one doctor said.
“As a doctor, I don’t know how to make the call,” another said. The doctor said so far there was no evidence of anyone withholding care from patients. But what the email calls for “seems way too close to playing God.”
The same day doctors received the guidance from Dr. Femia, they also got a reminder not to speak to news reporters without permission from NYU Langone’s Office of Communications and Marketing.
Kathy Lewis, executive vice president for communications and marketing, said in an email that NYU Langone’s longstanding policy required faculty, residents and staff to forward all media inquiries to her office.
“Anyone who does not adhere to this policy, or who speaks or disseminates information to the media without explicit permission of the Office of Communications and Marketing, will be subject to disciplinary action, including termination,” Ms. Lewis wrote.
Mr. Mandler, the NYU Langone spokesman, said the policy was meant to ensure that only NYU Langone officials with the most current information about coronavirus speak to reporters.
“We have a responsibility to the public at large to ensure that the information they receive from our institution is accurate,” he said.
Write to Shalini Ramachandran at shalini.ramachandran@wsj.com and Joe Palazzolo at joe.palazzolo@wsj.com
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 01:30:47 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 31, 2020, 02:02:40 AM
Well I don't know what her income is like
But unless you're near the high end of things, the new unemployment benefits ain't bad, at least for the first 3 months
Lol its only 275 per week as of today. All that bullshit about the added bonus don't even take effect on a specific date. My wife is a business manager for Chanel at a Neiman Marcus . I can assure you she makes more money than me . Albeit not a ton more , but household income already dropped when she got sent home and commissions weren't coming in.
Now we're stuck with over 50% of household income gone . My wife has worked since she was 15 and has never asked for any assistance. We are now most likely going to be forced to sink our credit just to hope to get by paying just mortgage, car loans , insurance and utilities alone .
Now when that aditional 600 per week were to ever take effect , that would be helpful enough for us to get by . That being said as of last Friday, our mortgage company isn't doing excrement to help anyone . We were simply told theyre not reporting to credit bureaus until june . But everything has to be current by then
So until the feds step in and mandate something even qs basic as loan payment deferment options, the cold reality is middle America is about to disintegrate the longer social distancing continues
So many ppl got furloughed or laid off today alone
The systems were crashing, both online , actual phone lines , and after over an hour on hold with unemployment, even their own systems are crashing
Its only gonna get worse unless things resume .
Florida had 67k file for unemployment 2 weeks ago, another 75k last week , probably going to be six figures this week
Post by: Coach K on March 31, 2020, 02:12:03 AM
I just know theres a very real conversation about how families will get by going on in millions of households that just got much louder today
If both my jobs werent essential , we'd be absolutely fucked beyond reason. But regular, we don't have money to pay any debt fucked seems to be still enough to cripple us .
Literally all I can do is just keep working and hope the government steps in on mortgage companies and debtors
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:26:03 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 31, 2020, 07:28:03 AM
I just tried going foodshopping for the first time since the hysteria went through the roof and I freaking hate everybody
Ppl are morons standing on top of each other
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 07:45:26 AM
I just tried going foodshopping for the first time since the hysteria went through the roof and I freaking hate everybody
Do you... not eat?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 07:48:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:51:36 AM
Do you... not eat?
It's only been at the level of hysteria for what like 2 weeks?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:51:54 AM
"foodshopping"
I've never been accused of knowing how to grammar
Post by: Jumbo on March 31, 2020, 07:52:22 AM
Do you... not eat?
Buying food takes away from cap space that could be rolled over to next year
Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2020, 07:53:32 AM
It's only been at the level of hysteria for what like 2 weeks?
it's been longer than 2 weeks.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:56:51 AM
it's been longer than 2 weeks..
I've never been accused of having a good memory either
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 07:57:40 AM
I've never been accused of having a good memory either
What have you been eating?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 31, 2020, 07:59:24 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 08:00:12 AM
What have you been eating?
Eggs oatmeal protein powder and milk has probably been 90‰ of my caloric intake
I mean it's also been a virtual endless supply of free food at work, but I'm not big on that
Post by: bojanglesman on March 31, 2020, 08:03:29 AM
Eggs oatmeal protein powder and milk has probably been 90‰ of my caloric intakeI bet your farts are atrocities.
I mean it's also been a virtual endless supply of free food at work, but I'm not big on that
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 08:06:49 AM
I bet your farts are atrocities.
With everyone being vented or wearing n95 masks these days I'm in the clear
Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2020, 08:06:53 AM
Eggs oatmeal protein powder and milk has probably been 90‰ of my caloric intake
I mean it's also been a virtual endless supply of free food at work, but I'm not big on that
might want to add some vitamin C in there before you get Scurvy.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 08:09:19 AM
might want to add some vitamin C in there before you get Scurvy.
Well of course there's Animal Pak too
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2020, 08:27:41 AM
Eggs oatmeal protein powder and milk has probably been 90‰ of my caloric intake
I mean it's also been a virtual endless supply of free food at work, but I'm not big on that
Do you need to see the dentist or something? Do you have an aversion to eating anything that requires the involvement of teeth?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 08:31:03 AM
Do you need to see the dentist or something? Do you have an aversion to eating anything that requires the involvement of teeth?
I just want fiber and protein.
Plus with work being never ending, I've gotten extremely lazy when it comes to food shopping
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Eggs oatmeal protein powder and milk has probably been 90‰ of my caloric intake
I mean it's also been a virtual endless supply of free food at work, but I'm not big on that
How much do you bench
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 09:22:18 AM
How much do you bench
Definitely not enoguh to boast
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 09:29:38 AM
Definitely not enoguh to boast
HOW MUCH
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 09:36:44 AM
What have you been eating?
This is a Chinese virus so I would guess stray cats.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 31, 2020, 10:09:51 AM
I just want fiber and protein.
Go give a vegan a blowjob
Post by: IATA on March 31, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I can’t see sports being cancelled altogether. I think we’re at the peak of this mess, hoping it starts to settle down. Preseason will prob be delayed and cut down to 2 games with whatever regular season it takes to make SuperBowl Sunday happen during Presidents Day Weekend to make that following Monday an unofficial holiday.
Source: my genius
What makes you think we've peaked? Is it the steadily increasing numbers of infected and death? Is it people still ignoring orders to stay home?
Why have we peaked?
Not even close to peaking. It hasn't even peaked in New York.
I've peaked.https://youtu.be/gdWAhP8rYKA
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 11:26:05 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/random-test-the-general-population-for-the-coronavirus/
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/hospitals-tell-doctors-they-ll-be-fired-if-they-talk-to-press
Post by: Jumbo on March 31, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
Damn I can't believe China is trying to silence doctors here too
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/hospitals-tell-doctors-they-ll-be-fired-if-they-talk-to-press
Surely this is equivalent to China sending the police to people's doors. I'm sure Commissar Trump will be arresting these doctors any day now for speaking out.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
https://youtu.be/gdWAhP8rYKA
You are a Golden God
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
Damn I can't believe China is trying to silence doctors here too
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/hospitals-tell-doctors-they-ll-be-fired-if-they-talk-to-press (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/hospitals-tell-doctors-they-ll-be-fired-if-they-talk-to-press)
It was in the article I posted last night as well. Plus I can't believe a country is the same as a business/NFP organization.
Surely this is equivalent to China sending the police to people's doors. I'm sure Commissar Trump will be arresting these doctors any day now for speaking out.
What he said
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 11:44:32 AM
Surely this is equivalent to China sending the police to people's doors. I'm sure Commissar Trump will be arresting these doctors any day now for speaking out.Firing doctors in the middle of a pandemic to own the libs
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 11:49:46 AM
It was in the article I posted last night as well. Plus I can't believe a country is the same as a business/NFP organization.Same end result, only difference is the location of the bad actor
What he said
Post by: Jumbo on March 31, 2020, 11:54:34 AM
Firing doctors in the middle of a pandemic to own the libs
Defending the CCP to own the libs
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 11:59:26 AM
Same end result, only difference is the location of the bad actor
Yeah no but whatever.
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 12:01:39 PM
Yeah no but whatever.CHINA MAN BAD
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 12:07:07 PM
CHINA MAN BAD
Oh I know the US is worse man, way worse and private entities silencing workers is more = than Gov't silencing and killing their own citizens.
The US < China and Iran.
Post by: Jumbo on March 31, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
CHINA MAN BAD
Yes.
Post by: Jumbo on March 31, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
>Being threatened with arrest and thrown in gulag if you speak out
Literally the same
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
>Getting fired from your job wrongfully, still able to find another job or claim unemploymentNY's gulag is about to start digging mass graves
>Being threatened with arrest and thrown in gulag if you speak out
Literally the same
Post by: IATA on March 31, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
so i called telehealth, wait 22 hours for a callback and was told to ask my primary care provider(which i was avoiding based on the ontario health guidelines they asked us to follow), who told me "call us when you have breathing issues, but you also need to stay fully-quarantined for 14 days from today"
sweetttttttt
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Oh I know the US is worse man, way worse and private entities silencing workers is more = than Gov't silencing and killing their own citizens.
Good thing none of our citizens will die due to our government's handling of this, and malice is ok when it's a private entity
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 31, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
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The daily number of new deaths has been increasing by an average of 31 percent per day for the past week, and the death toll has tripled in four days.
The statewide number of confirmed cases increased by 9,298 to 75,795, with 43,139 of the cases in New York City.
The number of patients hospitalized passed 10,900, up 15 percent from yesterday. Of those, 2,710 are currently in intensive care rooms with ventilators.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 01:14:49 PM
Good thing none of our citizens will die due to our government's handling of this, and malice is ok when it's a private entity
It's not malice, they did sign an employment contract and elect to take that company's money. There are certain legal stipulations you accept in the fine print, so go ahead talk to the press with out speaking to your company's spokesperson/HR/marketing/press secretary etc. but expect some blowback if it's against company policy.
Gov't handling something poorly, yes it's definitely equivalent to gulag.
This thread will go nowhere with a completely disingenuous argument. Jesus, you're acting like this is the first time it's ever happened so you're either freaking with me or completely disingenuous so hump some other person's leg please. You're are not that stupid. and neither am I
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 01:18:06 PM
ive been sick for like 2 weeks, its not covid but its something, ya know. puking, not sleeping, lethargic, coughing(but can breath just fine)
so i called telehealth, wait 22 hours for a callback and was told to ask my primary care provider(which i was avoiding based on the ontario health guidelines they asked us to follow), who told me "call us when you have breathing issues, but you also need to stay fully-quarantined for 14 days from today"
sweetttttttt
I hope you feel better
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 02:12:39 PM
Cuomo says the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York has risen to 76, up from 44 yesterday
This seems like last year,.........
It was 3 1/2 weeks ago
Post by: reuben on March 31, 2020, 03:48:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7jKlu.png)
I've run the numbers (read: wildly guessed). We shouldovertake China as the number one spothave double the numbers of any other country for covid-19 by this time next week.
U! S! A! U! S! A!
fmp.
(https://i.imgur.com/ozfANsx.png)
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 04:07:35 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 31, 2020, 05:15:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2020, 05:17:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUeGxwaX0AA73dj?format=jpg&name=large)
Quick, someone hand him a sharpie
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
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BREAKING: Austin and Travis County officials announce 28 young people returning from a spring break trip to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, have tested positive for #coronavirus.
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MADISON, Wis. - An undisclosed number of college students returning from a spring break trip to Alabama’s beaches have tested positive for coronavirus, according to news reports.
The University of Wisconsin – Madison’s Health Services said the students contracted the virus after returning from Gulf Shores, Ala., AL.com reported.
"University Health Services (UHS) and Public Health Madison & Dane County (PHMDC) recently became aware of a cluster of COVID-19 cases associated with a spring break trip organized by seniors," UW-Madison's Health Services announced in a statement Friday.
Many of the students were members of fraternities and sororities, a WKOW report said.
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At least five students from the University of Tampa have tested positive for coronavirus after traveling with other students from the school for spring break, the university announced on Twitter. This comes after crowds of spring-breakers in Florida were criticized for ignoring social distancing guidelines and packing beaches in complete disregard of the potential risk.
University of Tampa announced on Friday that it learned that one student, who resides off-campus, tested positive for the virus. Just a day later, the school confirmed that five students, who were part of a larger group traveling together during spring break, had tested positive.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 05:48:25 PM
It's not malice, they decided to live in China and work there. There are certain legal stipulations you accept in the fine print, so go ahead talk to the press with out speaking to your local party official etc. but expect some blowback if it's against party policy.
Hot take
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 06:05:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 06:09:46 PM
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White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 06:41:17 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 31, 2020, 06:45:15 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 06:50:57 PM
Don't worry. By April, you know, in theory, when the weather gets warmer, it miraculously goes away.
But will the sunshine fix the economy?
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
If we're lucky this will be over by Mid to late June and not because of the weather.
Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2020, 07:11:04 PM
I know it's serious but I don't think 250,000 deaths are going to happen looking at the numbers, maybe world wide.More like September
If we're lucky this will be over by Mid to late June and not because of the weather.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:13:59 PM
More like September
the US will peak in about 2-4 weeks, extrapolating the charts. So do the math.
Edit: By over I don't mean puppies and rainbows, I mean signs of life, like getting back to things. Sorry that wasn't clear. I don't know when it will be safe to gather in crowds.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 07:19:02 PM
the US will peak in about 2-4 weeks, extrapolating the charts. So do the math.
I think we're going to see the majority of the east coast peak in about two weeks. California too, probably.
I'm concerned about what's happening here in Texas and in the midwest. It's slow right now and I think it will start to take off this weekend.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 07:19:30 PM
If we're lucky this will be over by Mid to late June and not because of the weather.
I really freaking hope so
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:19:41 PM
I know it's serious but I don't think 250,000 deaths are going to happen looking at the numbers, maybe world wide.
If we're lucky this will be over by Mid to late June and not because of the weather.
I mean 240k is the more dire of the likely scenarios. But unless you're knowledgeable about exponential logarithms, progressions, and epidemiological morphology the statistics won't correlate until much later in the process. Since I don't understand and or made up most of those words. I'd equate it to more like a compounding 401k.
Early on you're gonna see paltry numbers, and towards the end it'll be eye popping numbers. While I'm not smart enough to understand what the smart people are talking about. I know enough to believe them when they say it
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:23:25 PM
the US will peak in about 2-4 weeks, extrapolating the charts. So do the math.
Edit: By over I don't mean puppies and rainbows, I mean signs of life, like getting back to things. Sorry that wasn't clear. I don't know when it will be safe to gather in crowds.
The smart people already did the math
While it's generally accurate that the peak for NY is expected to be towards the middle/end of April like you said. The currently calculated lull is expected to be sometimes later in August.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
I think we're going to see the majority of the east coast peak in about two weeks. California too, probably.
I'm concerned about what's happening here in Texas and in the midwest. It's slow right now and I think it will start to take off this weekend.
I suppose its hope on my part more than anything concrete but people are now largely confined to their geographic area versus traveling all over the place. Plus there are more and more tests available every day. So hopefully, the measures in place and heavy testing and quarantining positive testing people can stop the wholesale spread that NY has experienced. That's what's really worked in the country's that have been ahead of the curve.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:26:05 PM
I really freaking hope so
I don't mean all over but maybe getting back to our lives, I hope so as well.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
The smart people already did the math
While it's generally accurate that the peak for NY is expected to be towards the middle/end of April like you said. The currently calculated lull is expected to be sometimes later in August.
You mean lull and this comes back around as a 2nd contagion?
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 31, 2020, 07:29:12 PM
I mean 240k is the more dire of the likely scenarios. But unless you're knowledgeable about exponential logarithms, progressions, and epidemiological morphology the statistics won't correlate until much later in the process. Since I don't understand and or made up most of those words. I'd equate it to more like a compounding 401k.Well, the estimate was 100K-240K from the White House. This is the same White House that...
Early on you're gonna see paltry numbers, and towards the end it'll be eye popping numbers. While I'm not smart enough to understand what the smart people are talking about. I know enough to believe them when they say it
- Told us that it would be down to 0 cases and go away on its own
- Told us it paled in comparison to H1N1, which killed 12,500 in a year
- Told us 37,000 Americans died from the flu, and nobody cared, so we shouldn't care about this
- Said 100,000 dead would be a "good job"
The estimates are at 100K-240K if we maintain social distancing. The worst case scenario is 1.5M-2.2M if we don't do anything. Some states still aren't doing that much in terms of social distancing.
Hopefully, we can keep it under 100K. Fauci said that we want to do much better than that. But I don't know if that will be realistic given the leadership in charge.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
You mean lull ad this comes back around as a 2nd contagion?
Well I meant more that I haven't really read about what comes next (other than the massive depression). Though human behavior and government regulation will likely play a huge role in what does.
But seemingly August/September is the predicted time for this current mess to come down.
Once (even more) people start acting like assholes and flu season swings around again who the freak knows what will happen at that point
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 31, 2020, 07:31:28 PM
I don't mean all over but maybe getting back to our lives, I hope so as well.I hope so, too, but I'm more pessimistic.
I enjoy playing live poker in my free time. Not doing that anytime soon.
I love going to concerts. Not doing that anytime soon.
I love going to sporting events. Not doing that anytime soon.
I need a freaking haircut. Not getting that anytime soon.
We will eventually get a new, temporary normal, where some things will come back. And eventually, this could spark some great innovations that make the world a better, more efficient place in a year or two. But short term, I'm pessimistic.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 07:33:57 PM
Well, the estimate was 100K-240K from the White House. This is the same White House that...
- Told us that it would be down to 0 cases and go away on its own
- Told us it paled in comparison to H1N1, which killed 12,500 in a year
- Told us 37,000 Americans died from the flu, and nobody cared, so we shouldn't care about this
- Said 100,000 dead would be a "good job"
The estimates are at 100K-240K if we maintain social distancing. The worst case scenario is 1.5M-2.2M if we don't do anything. Some states still aren't doing that much in terms of social distancing.
Hopefully, we can keep it under 100K. Fauci said that we want to do much better than that. But I don't know if that will be realistic given the leadership in charge.
I think Trumps more likely to lie/be ignorant on the lower end of the scale than the upper. They've made it fairly clear the economy was their priority. So saying hey at least 100k people are going to die isn't going to be doing the market favors.
But outside agencies have correlated those numbers so I do believe it. I believe i posted a few days ago about the bill gates foundation/university of Washington predicting around 85k deaths by August. So for things to have gotten slightly worse in a few days seems perfectly feasible.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:40:11 PM
I hope so, too, but I'm more pessimistic.
I enjoy playing live poker in my free time. Not doing that anytime soon.
I love going to concerts. Not doing that anytime soon.
I love going to sporting events. Not doing that anytime soon.
I need a freaking haircut. Not getting that anytime soon.
We will eventually get a new, temporary normal, where some things will come back. And eventually, this could spark some great innovations that make the world a better, more efficient place in a year or two. But short term, I'm pessimistic.
I have to talk you about poker, I used to do really well at it until I quit. I am not sure if I will play again but would love to talk strategy.....I just grew tired of sitting next to the players that play in South Florida. You should eventually travel there if you're a good player, they're brutal players there. You would clean up.
Of the 4 things you list, quite honestly the only one that has any hope of happening by my time frame is a haircut. That's what I really meant. I know it's depressing to hear and I am sure you know already.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 07:50:34 PM
Well, the estimate was 100K-240K from the White House. This is the same White House that...
- Told us that it would be down to 0 cases and go away on its own
- Told us it paled in comparison to H1N1, which killed 12,500 in a year
- Told us 37,000 Americans died from the flu, and nobody cared, so we shouldn't care about this
- Said 100,000 dead would be a "good job"
The estimates are at 100K-240K if we maintain social distancing. The worst case scenario is 1.5M-2.2M if we don't do anything. Some states still aren't doing that much in terms of social distancing.
Hopefully, we can keep it under 100K. Fauci said that we want to do much better than that. But I don't know if that will be realistic given the leadership in charge.
The leadership in this country failed. Failed to get on top of this when they had a chance and failed during the first few weeks. They only got serious when it got serious. You can say they're still failing. I hope next time the team of the outgoing President wants to run doomsday virus scenarios with the incoming team to help them with crisis management and transition the new team pays attention.
Of course it's not just the President that's been awful, where has the Mayor of the worst hit city in the entire world been? The Governor of Floriduh still hasn't shut down gatherings and such.
That's been the problem lately, poor leadership. Funny, I never thought much of their Presidency's, much at all, but Bush and Obama were much better leaders than what we have now. I don't think we would be this bad off if they were President and they weren't very good. I suppose the joke is on us.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 08:13:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=204&v=WxyH1rkuLaw&feature=emb_logo
Post by: guinness77 on March 31, 2020, 10:02:38 PM
It’s never gonna go away this way. Well have to learn to live with this or this new normal will be the way life is going forward.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 12:10:54 AM
The leadership in this country failed. Failed to get on top of this when they had a chance and failed during the first few weeks. They only got serious when it got serious. You can say they're still failing. I hope next time the team of the outgoing President wants to run doomsday virus scenarios with the incoming team to help them with crisis management and transition the new team pays attention.
Of course it's not just the President that's been awful, where has the Mayor of the worst hit city in the entire world been? The Governor of Floriduh still hasn't shut down gatherings and such.
That's been the problem lately, poor leadership. Funny, I never thought much of their Presidency's, much at all, but Bush and Obama were much better leaders than what we have now. I don't think we would be this bad off if they were President and they weren't very good. I suppose the joke is on us.
I just wanna point out the first time I've seen or heard anything whatsoever about this queynte since this whole thing started was today . And it's because he's calling into an investigation into Amazon firing a worker who wanted employees to strike or something along that line. This doesn't absolve any other lawmakers of being pieces of excrement. But rather points out how much of one De Blasio is
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2020, 01:07:30 AM
I just wanna point out the first time I've seen or heard anything whatsoever about this queynte since this whole thing started was today . And it's because he's calling into an investigation into Amazon firing a worker who wanted employees to strike or something along that line. This doesn't absolve any other lawmakers of being pieces of excrement. But rather points out how much of one De Blasio is
I am still amazed he got re-elected. I have never met anyone that has dealt with him or not that has anything nice to say. I don't live in the city so it doesn't directly affect me but the city has gone downhill since he took over. He's a big piece of excrement.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 02:45:51 AM
I have to talk you about poker, I used to do really well at it until I quit. I am not sure if I will play again but would love to talk strategy.....I just grew tired of sitting next to the players that play in South Florida. You should eventually travel there if you're a good player, they're brutal players there. You would clean up.I'm not good enough to make a living (at least I don't think), but I'm good enough where I walk into most poker tournaments and look at myself in the top 10-15% of players. For higher buyin tournaments, I'm not quite at that level, but I can more than hold my own. I've gotten a lot better in the last year. When I was in college, PokerStars paid for my dinner and my weed.
Of the 4 things you list, quite honestly the only one that has any hope of happening by my time frame is a haircut. That's what I really meant. I know it's depressing to hear and I am sure you know already.
Now that I'm home all the time, I'm playing a ton online again. I had shied away from it because I work nights, and I don't want to waste my two off nights a week at home grinding online poker. Now that I'm stuck at home all day, I'm playing a lot more. I play tournaments, so I need to block off a chunk of time to play. I was up until 5:30 AM PT last night playing. That's why I slept through my picks in the mock draft! But I had one of my biggest wins ever last night (in a different tournament), so it was worth it. I used to play online all the time, but since moving to California, the only times I would play would be on my phone when I'm playing live. But now I'm back to playing 4+ tables at a time online!
If I move back east and go on a poker trip (and don't die from coronavirus), I may choose Florida over Vegas. I've heard a lot about the Seminole Hard Rock.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 05:40:39 AM
I just wanna point out the first time I've seen or heard anything whatsoever about this queynte since this whole thing started was today . And it's because he's calling into an investigation into Amazon firing a worker who wanted employees to strike or something along that line. This doesn't absolve any other lawmakers of being pieces of excrement. But rather points out how much of one De Blasio is
https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1245147052545314818?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:25:53 AM
Cuomo says the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York has risen to 76, up from 44 yesterday
This seems like last year,.........
It was 3 1/2 weeks ago
Coronavirus update, New York:
- New York City: 43,139 cases
- Westchester: 9,967 cases
- Nassau: 8,544 cases
- Suffolk: 6,713 cases
- Rockland: 2,863 cases
- Orange: 1,556 cases
- Dutchess: 484 cases
- Erie: 438 cases
- Monroe: 292 cases
- Albany: 226 cases
Remember when NYC didn’t have any confirmed cases and they were all in Westchester, with a few in Nassau? I member
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:36:09 AM
Total of 105,792 cases and 12,428 deaths.
- Number of new cases unchanged
- Number of new deaths went up again
- Fatality rate at all-time high
Death rate currently stands at 11.7%
It’s somewhere around 15% in Lombardy, the worst affected region.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:53:02 AM
1) Xi
2) Iran man bad
3) Dutch PM (update: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/27/caught-between-herd-immunity-and-national-lockdown-holland-hit-hard-by-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
4) Belarus Grand Poobah (https://twitter.com/rtsportnews/status/1244594129113354242?s=21)
5) Boris Johnson
6) Trump
Further suggestions welcome
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 07:22:28 AM
World leader power rankings1) Adam Gase
1) Xi
2) Iran man bad
3) Dutch PM (update: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/27/caught-between-herd-immunity-and-national-lockdown-holland-hit-hard-by-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
4) Belarus Grand Poobah (https://twitter.com/rtsportnews/status/1244594129113354242?s=21)
5) Boris Johnson
6) Trump
Further suggestions welcome
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 09:56:52 AM
Martshial Law on the way.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/more-than-1000-new-york-city-police-officers-are-infected-with-coronavirus.html
Martshial Law on the way.
15% of the NYPD called in sick Tuesday
It's no surprise that essential workers are banging out sick/quitting at staggering rates
They're getting fucked
Post by: guinness77 on April 01, 2020, 10:40:09 AM
15% of the NYPD called in sick TuesdayBecause there’s way too much excrement open still. This isn’t going away anytime soon. Read my post from last night again. Half measures.
It's no surprise that essential workers are banging out sick/quitting at staggering rates
They're getting fucked
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
Because there’s way too much excrement open still. This isn’t going away anytime soon. Read my post from last night again. Half measures.
I think you're absolutely right
That's why the Chinese government was so much better equipt to fight this than more civilized nations. While the free world is a bunch of stupid cunts
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 10:57:11 AM
When you get a speeding ticket, you ultimately deal with the consequences. Now imagine if your coworker gets a speeding ticket and you have to pay it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:57:15 AM
BREAKING: China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report
Post by: IATA on April 01, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1245370023952203786?s=21
BREAKING: China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/bd/9f/22bd9f61d8cc30948705a76792030ce2.jpg)
Post by: Jumbo on April 01, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1245370023952203786?s=21
BREAKING: China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report
but how will this affect Xi's spot in the power rankings???
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
but how will this affect Xi's spot in the power rankings???$2 million dead cap if cut.
Adam Gase moves to #1.
Post by: guinness77 on April 01, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1245370023952203786?s=21Wow. Color me shocked.
BREAKING: China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 11:36:46 AM
but how will this affect Xi's spot in the power rankings???
He’s the favorite for a 1 seed and a BYE
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 11:57:34 AM
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.@NYGovCuomo says if there is high compliance with social distancing, the projected apex in New York goes from 110K to 75K hospital beds for COVID patients, and 37K to 25K ventilators.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 12:10:53 PM
freak that, yolo.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
Here is the article if you can not see it:
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China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Read More: New York’s Coronavirus Patients Skew Young, Surprising Doctors
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
Read More: Drugs Trump Touted for Covid-19 Treatment Added to Shortage List
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
Read More: Mapping the Outbreak Across the World
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
— With assistance by Justin Sink
(Updates with Pence’s comment in sixth paragraph)
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
https://ncov2019.live/
Post by: IATA on April 01, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Well the peak is coming, we're not there yet, the #'s are getting pretty bad:
https://ncov2019.live/
196⁄195
Total Countries Infected
freak, they got wakanda too
Post by: Johnny English on April 01, 2020, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: reuben on April 01, 2020, 02:28:35 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 03:14:34 PM
Florida Update
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 03:15:38 PM
We’ll see this reflected in next week’s power rankings
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
Gives some context as to how how much this excrement will grow
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 04:39:47 PM
The anticipated peak for a chunk of the south east excluding Florida is anticipated to be May 20th
Gives some context as to how how much this excrement will grow
Excluding FLA??
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 04:41:23 PM
https://twitter.com/govnedlamont/status/1245429678875295744?s=21
freak man
Post by: delavan on April 01, 2020, 04:42:37 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/informal-discussions-begin-9-11-style-commission-coronavirus-response-n1173516
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 04:47:21 PM
Excluding FLA??
Between its relatively unique demographics and already significant infection count I'd wager Florida is in a class of its own.
Virginia Carolinas Georgia etc can probably be more appropriately lumped together
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 04:49:42 PM
Between its relatively unique demographics and already significant infection count I'd wager Florida is in a class of its own.(https://media3.giphy.com/media/smfU85ajyxFaU/source.gif)
Virginia Carolinas Georgia etc can probably be more appropriately lumped together
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 04:50:44 PM
Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is currently drafting legislation that would set up an independent commission to investigate why the Trump administration was unprepared for the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/informal-discussions-begin-9-11-style-commission-coronavirus-response-n1173516
While not unreasonable to investigate the failures of government and or accountability on this
It's extremely unfuckingreasonable to utilize resources to anything but combating the mess.
You wanna put on a show for the voters do it in 6 months, this shits a freaking war the next 4 months
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/smfU85ajyxFaU/source.gif)I've seen that gif a few times and I always think how awesome Georgia would be having a new southern coast.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 01, 2020, 05:50:37 PM
While not unreasonable to investigate the failures of government and or accountability on this100%
It's extremely unfuckingreasonable to utilize resources to anything but combating the mess.
You wanna put on a show for the voters do it in 6 months, this shits a freaking war the next 4 months
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 06:18:04 PM
While not unreasonable to investigate the failures of government and or accountability on thisI don't think it's unreasonable at all to start discussions about it. Trump constantly misled the nation on this for weeks. There are people who were in the rooms with him who dumped stocks and bought stocks in companies who made masks.
It's extremely unfuckingreasonable to utilize resources to anything but combating the mess.
You wanna put on a show for the voters do it in 6 months, this shits a freaking war the next 4 months
This is going to kill more Americans than 9/11. There absolutely should be a commission to figure out what went wrong in our response here, and how we can fix it in the future. Politicians can multitask.
I agree that if they started having these commissions right now, it would be a bad look. But taking a look at our response to this and what went wrong is a formality and absolutely should happen.
Adam Schiff has been great. His tweet on this was: "After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes. Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic. I’m working on a bill to do that."
What's wrong with that? Nothing.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
We should do a death pool.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:31:00 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to start discussions about it. Trump constantly misled the nation on this for weeks. There are people who were in the rooms with him who dumped stocks and bought stocks in companies who made masks.
This is going to kill more Americans than 9/11. There absolutely should be a commission to figure out what went wrong in our response here, and how we can fix it in the future. Politicians can multitask.
I agree that if they started having these commissions right now, it would be a bad look. But taking a look at our response to this and what went wrong is a formality and absolutely should happen.
Adam Schiff has been great. His tweet on this was: "After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes. Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic. I’m working on a bill to do that."
What's wrong with that? Nothing.
Are we investigating DeSantis and DeBlasio too? Because their (in)action/misinformation have been more damaging than Trump’s, at this point in time, imo.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:33:53 PM
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March 11
During a press conference, Mayor de Blasio said he is “telling people to not avoid restaurants, not avoid normal things that people do. . . . If you’re not sick, you should be going about your life.” (The city was four days away from the announcement that the city was closing all schools.)
March 16
The New York Times reported that for the past week, the mayor’s “top aides were furiously trying to change the mayor’s approach to the coronavirus outbreak. There had been arguments and shouting matches between the mayor and some of his advisers; some top health officials had even threatened to resign if he refused to accept the need to close schools and businesses, according to several people familiar with the internal discussions.”
Hours before all gyms in New York had to close, Mayor de Blasio had one final workout at the gym at his local YMCA. Even his former staffers offered scathing criticism.
Rebecca Katz, a former special adviser whom the mayor once called a metaphorical member of his family, declared, “No current or former staff member should be asked to defend this. The mayor’s actions today are inexcusable and reckless.” Jonathan Rosen, once one of de Blasio’s closest allies, called the mayor’s gym visit “pathetic, self-involved, inexcusable.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
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March 2
The perspective here is important. And the facts, once you know the facts, once you know the reality, it is reassuring, and we should relax, because that’s what’s dictated by the reality of the situation. I get the emotion, I understand; I understand the anxiety. I’m a native-born New Yorker, we live with anxiety. But the facts don’t back it up here. . . .
What happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”
Everyone’s Hero, Andrew Cuomo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 06:42:33 PM
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March 2
De Blasio concurred. “We have a lot of information now, information that is actually showing us things that should give us more reason to stay calm and go about our lives. . . . This is not, so far, something that you get through casual contact. There has to be some prolonged exposure. And I think it’s really important to get that information out to all New Yorkers.”
He also declared on Twitter, “I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives and get out on the town despite Coronavirus.”
DeBlasio
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Deblasio
March 3
During a press availability, the mayor declared, “So again, want to come back to this point, occasional contact, glancing contact, temporary contact, it does not, from everything we know about coronavirus, lead to transmission. It needs to be prolonged, you know, if not intimate, at least prolonged, constant contact.”
Post by: reuben on April 01, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to start discussions about it. Trump constantly misled the nation on this for weeks. There are people who were in the rooms with him who dumped stocks and bought stocks in companies who made masks.
This is going to kill more Americans than 9/11. There absolutely should be a commission to figure out what went wrong in our response here, and how we can fix it in the future. Politicians can multitask.
I agree that if they started having these commissions right now, it would be a bad look. But taking a look at our response to this and what went wrong is a formality and absolutely should happen.
Adam Schiff has been great. His tweet on this was: "After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes. Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic. I’m working on a bill to do that."
What's wrong with that? Nothing.
It's especially reasonable because many politicians are still failing to act properly. freak "Keep Calm and Carry On." These people need to be held accountable in real time.
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This is going to kill more Americans than 9/11.
It already has. Coronavirus: 5,094, 9/11: 2,977
We'll pass Vietnam (58,220) but if we're lucky, not World War I (116,516). That's optimistic though.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 08:26:12 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-virus-outbreak-secret-service-signed-contract-to-rent-golf-carts-at-home-of-trump-club/2020/04/01/86d249fe-7449-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to start discussions about it. Trump constantly misled the nation on this for weeks. There are people who were in the rooms with him who dumped stocks and bought stocks in companies who made masks.
This is going to kill more Americans than 9/11. There absolutely should be a commission to figure out what went wrong in our response here, and how we can fix it in the future. Politicians can multitask.
I agree that if they started having these commissions right now, it would be a bad look. But taking a look at our response to this and what went wrong is a formality and absolutely should happen.
Adam Schiff has been great. His tweet on this was: "After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes. Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic. I’m working on a bill to do that."
What's wrong with that? Nothing.
I 100% think it's needed to look at what's wrong from start to finish, what went wrong and how we can do better in the future. But yes this is the wrong time for these discussions. This has a fairly short life span (at least the critical period) of only a few months. In the next 4 months it's very likely over 100,000 Americans will die from this.
We don't need people finger pointing and stripping each other of credibility further dividing a seriously divided nation.
Trump fucked up, and there's a very solid chance the Republicans lose the white house as well as power in the house because of it. And Trump has been spewing misinformation at a historic rate. But he seemingly has begun to change his tune recently. And we don't need anything that's going to add fuel to the partisan fire or strip leaders of their much needed credibility.
The biggest problem by a huge margin has been ignorant stupid freaking jerkoffs ignoring authoritys directions and warnings. Decreasing that credibility is only going to worsen it
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 08:34:25 PM
Glad that we're still spending taxpayer money on Trump to golf during a major recession when many golf courses around the country are closed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-virus-outbreak-secret-service-signed-contract-to-rent-golf-carts-at-home-of-trump-club/2020/04/01/86d249fe-7449-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html
It's behind a paywall but from what I can see it doesn't say that at all. As a matter of fact far as I can tell the article has absolutely nothing to do with Trump outside of it being his golf course
Post by: Pope on April 01, 2020, 09:55:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
I’m going to throw my name in the ring for President. I will guide us to glory
Joe Exotic has entered the chat
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 10:12:51 PM
It's behind a paywall but from what I can see it doesn't say that at all. As a matter of fact far as I can tell the article has absolutely nothing to do with Trump outside of it being his golf course"I didn't read the article but you're wrong and here is my take on it" is peak DCM.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 10:15:05 PM
"I didn't read the article but you're wrong and here is my take on it" is peak DCM.
More I'm not paying money to read an article that requires a paying subscription, but I read the abstract and commented on the information available, while openly disclosing this in my response
Not quite the same thing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:17:32 PM
"I didn't read the article but you're wrong and here is my take on it" is peak DCM.
Did you read the article? Did trump play golf via taxpayer money in the details of that groundbreaking report?
Also, golf courses werent closed here as of last weekend. You either have to walk and maintain 6+ feet, or it’s 1 person per cart.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 10:21:31 PM
"I didn't read the article but you're wrong and here is my take on it" is peak DCM.
From a site without a paywall
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The Secret Service this week signed a $45,000 contract to rent a fleet of golf carts in Northern Virginia, saying it needed them quickly to protect a “dignitary” in the town of Sterling, home to one of President Trump’s golf clubs, according to federal contracting data.
The contract was signed Monday and took effect Wednesday, records show. The Secret Service paid a West Virginia-registered company, Capitol Golf Cars and Utility Vehicles, to rent 30 carts until the end of September.
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The new contract, which the Secret Service described as an “emergency order,” does not mention Trump or the golf club by name. But it closely mirrors past contracts signed by the Secret Service, for agents accompanying Trump to his golf clubs in New Jersey and Florida.
At least the typical peak DCM isn't freaking obnoxious and stupid enough to offer his commentary on an article after only reading the title and then having some wet dream fantasy to support his agenda.
There's enough fsctual information about Trump being a selfish inconsiderate freak that we don't need to start fantasizing about it
Post by: Pope on April 01, 2020, 10:33:20 PM
Joe Exotic has entered the chatIll have you know I aced my IQ test. Perfect score of 100
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:34:49 PM
Ill have you know I aced my IQ test. Perfect score of 100
Are you under 80 years old? Already more qualified than everyone that’s been under serious consideration for the last 8 years
Post by: Pope on April 01, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
Are you under 80 years old? Already more qualified than everyone that’s been under serious consideration for the last 8 yearsI’m 31
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:47:00 PM
I’m 31
Gonna need you on Instagram live binging the Office and cooking a pasta dinner in order to relate to the commonfolk
Post by: Pope on April 01, 2020, 10:47:37 PM
Gonna need you on Instagram live binging the Office and cooking a pasta dinner in order to relate to the commonfolkWould you settle for a TikTok lip sync vid?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 10:50:03 PM
Would you settle for a TikTok lip sync vid?
Let’s follow the Tom Steyer playbook
https://twitter.com/xxl/status/1233803577568747522?s=21
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 11:13:32 PM
From a site without a paywallEvery time Trump has gone golfing, he signed a contract just like this before he went.
At least the typical peak DCM isn't freaking obnoxious and stupid enough to offer his commentary on an article after only reading the title and then having some wet dream fantasy to support his agenda.
There's enough fsctual information about Trump being a selfish inconsiderate freak that we don't need to start fantasizing about it
So sure, maybe the Secret Service signed a $45,000 contract to rent golf clubs to protect somebody else who is going golfing at one of Trump's clubs. And maybe 2+2=5.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 11:24:30 PM
Every time Trump has gone golfing, he signed a contract just like this before he went.
So sure, maybe the Secret Service signed a $45,000 contract to rent golf clubs to protect somebody else who is going golfing at one of Trump's clubs. And maybe 2+2=5.
I guess the news paper made something up about dignitary too?
Trumps a fucker but I doubt he's dumb enoguh to go golfing during a period heavy deaths during a pandemic. Especially realizing how much more challenging his performance during this will make his re election chances
Regardless you're fantasizing.
JOE BIDENS GOING TO SEXUALLY HARASS A WOMAN NEXT MONTH. HE JUST BOUGHT SOME HAND LOTION
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 11:36:20 PM
I guess the news paper made something up about dignitary too?I mean, I'm just reading the Washington Post article and telling you what it says. If you doubt Trump is dumb enough to do something, you haven't been paying attention to America for the last 30 years.
Trumps a fucker but I doubt he's dumb enoguh to go golfing during a period heavy deaths during a pandemic. Especially realizing how much more challenging his performance during this will make his re election chances
Regardless you're fantasizing.
JOE BIDENS GOING TO SEXUALLY HARASS A WOMAN NEXT MONTH. HE JUST BOUGHT SOME HAND LOTION
Who do you think this "dignitary" is? Probably the same "dignitary" it usually is.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 11:39:15 PM
I mean, I'm just reading the Washington Post article and telling you what it says. If you doubt Trump is dumb enough to do something, you haven't been paying attention to America for the last 30 years.
So an article that doesn't mention Trump, nor involve anyone playing golf, says that we're spending money on Trumps playing golf during a major recession.
I appreciate you explaining the article to me.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2020, 11:44:11 PM
So an article that doesn't mention Trump, nor involve anyone playing golf, says that we're spending money on Trumps playing golf during a major recession.This is literally how the article starts. My "English-to-DCM" translator app isn't working right now, so I'll try my best in the end.
I appreciate you explaining the article to me.
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"The Secret Service this week signed a $45,000 contract to rent a fleet of golf carts in Northern Virginia, saying it needed them quickly to protect a “dignitary” in the town of Sterling, home to one of President Trump’s golf clubs, according to federal contracting data.
The contract was signed Monday and took effect Wednesday, records show. The Secret Service paid a West Virginia-registered company, Capitol Golf Cars and Utility Vehicles, to rent 30 carts until the end of September.
The new contract, which the Secret Service described as an “emergency order,” does not mention Trump or the golf club by name. But it closely mirrors past contracts signed by the Secret Service, for agents accompanying Trump to his golf clubs in New Jersey and Florida."
Every time Trump goes golfing, the Secret Service signs contracts to rent golf carts and accompany/protect Trump on the golf course.
The Secret Service just signed a similar contract to rent golf carts and accompany/protect someone on the golf course.
Do the math.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2020, 11:50:45 PM
Was Trump planning on using this to play golf, probably.
Will Trump still use this to play golf, possibly.
Has Trump played golf since Corona became crazy? No
Will he soon? Probably not
Will he before the contract ends in September, possibly?
End of argument
Let's put our penises away now
... Unless Heismanberg wants to watch
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 01:16:55 AM
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2020, 11:26:20 AM
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
hahahaI found some more private entities for you to defend
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825200206/doctors-say-hospitals-are-stopping-them-from-wearing-masks
Their actions will get people killed but hey it's not against the law so it's ok
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2020, 11:35:42 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 11:43:02 AM
Apparently Fauci is now getting 24/7 protection after receiving death threats. WTF are you doing America?330 million people, bound to be a few psychos. All countries have them.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 02, 2020, 11:44:37 AM
Apparently Fauci is now getting 24/7 protection after receiving death threats. WTF are you doing America?
So that's where mj went
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
330 million people, bound to be a few psychos. All countries have them.
No, no I don't think any other country has a problem with credible death threats being made against the person or persons leading their pandemic response. I'm fairly sure that this is just a you thing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 02, 2020, 11:50:02 AM
But let's get everyone back to work ASAP. The economy can only wait so long.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 11:53:50 AM
No, no I don't think any other country has a problem with credible death threats being made against the person or persons leading their pandemic response. I'm fairly sure that this is just a you thing.I don't think we need to get into the weeds of categorizing psychos. I guess this may be our psycho niche.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 11:59:29 AM
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Trump on Coronavirus:
Jan 22--'We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine'.
Feb 2--'We pretty much shut it down coming in from China'.
Feb 10--'dies with hotter weather'
Feb 12--'You know in April, supposedly (the virus) dies with the hotter weather'.
Feb 24--'The coronavirus is very much under control in the USA...stock market starting to look very good to me!'
Feb 25--'CDC and my administration are doing a great job of handling coronavirus'.
Feb 25--'I think that's a problem that's going to go away....They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine'. He then went on to claim that in 2014 'nobody had ever heard of Ebola' and that the Ebola mortality rate 'was virtually 100%.'
Feb 26--he tells everyone that the coronavirus 'is a flu' and continues on with this prediction 'The 15 (cases) within a couple days is going to be down close to zero' when we were already up to 53 known cases. 'We're going substantially down, not up'--he said and then goes on to say 'the flu death rate is much higher than (taking a shot at a critic) Sanjay Gupta said'.
Feb 27--miracle day--'One day it's like a miracle....it will disappear'.
Feb 28--'We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical'. Later 'This is their new hoax' and 'We're totally prepared'.
Mar 2--'nobody knows the number of flu deaths' and a vaccine is 'coming relatively soon'. 'You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on Corona?'---'A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly'.
Mar 4--'If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands that get better just by, you know, sitting around and going to work---some of them go to work, but they get better.' Later he starts pointing the finger at Obama 'didn't do anything' for H1N1 and that Barack impeded testing, wrongly states that the 1990 flu killed 100,000 and wrongly says he thinks there was a coronavirus death in New York.
Mar 5--'I never said people that are sick should go to work'---'The United States....has, as of now, only 129 cases....and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep those numbers as low as possible' and that the virus only hit the US 'three weeks ago'.
Mar 6--(Azar saying there are no shortages of tests that day)--'I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down....a tremendous job at keeping it down'.....'Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful....the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good!'.....'I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it....Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President'....'I don't need to have our numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault!'....'I didn't know people died from the flu! (Trump's own grandfather died from the flu). He goes on to say that the numbers in Italy are 'getting much better'--that our coronavirus numbers 'are lower than just about anybody' and that 'maybe' the coronavirus was improving US jobs numbers.
Mar 8--'We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on coronavirus'.
Mar 9--'This blindsided the World!'
Mar 13--'I take no responsibility.'---'National Emergency, two big words.'
Mar 15--'It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but it's something we have tremendous control of'.
Mar 16--'We've done a fantastic job from just about every standpoint'.---'We have a problem that, a month ago, nobody ever thought about' (he was first briefed on coronavirus in January).....speaking of his own coronavirus test 'I've been strongly tested'.
Mar 17--'I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a a pandemic'.
Mar 20---(after being asked by a reporter 'What do you say to Americans who are scared?)--'I say you're a terrible reporter, that's what I say. I think that's a very nasty question'. ......' I've been right a lot'....(on When will everyone who needs a coronavirus test be able to get a test?) 'No one is talking about this except you, which doesn't surprise me'
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2020, 01:11:30 PM
Post by: delavan on April 02, 2020, 01:15:58 PM
No, no I don't think any other country has a problem with credible death threats being made against the person or persons leading their pandemic response.American exceptionalism.
I'm fairly sure that this is just a you thing.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 01:41:38 PM
^lines up with the response/approach timeline of most other “leaders” here
So what?
I readily admit I didn't think it was as big a deal as it was back then, 5-6 weeks ago. I still don't think based on all the numbers that it's all that much deadlier than the flu. A huge percentage of people have/had it but are asymptomatic and as such are not tested, meaning the numbers are skewed by at least an order of magnitude and most likely a lot more.
The big problem is it's a new virus and hasn't been in circulation, so there's no immunity built up to it. So everyone is getting it all at once. The flu has been around so long that most people have an immunity to it, so it has a limited number of hosts. This virus has no such limitations.
Still, I am not a leader of this country state or town, not now and not ever. Would I have been as woefully ignorant, flippant to what is happening? Probably not, freak I hope not.
The best leaders have the best people around them, they don't know everything about everything and they certainly would not surround themselves with yes men. I hope to god if I was in position to lead that I would have the right people to advise me on the course of actions to take that would have the best outcomes for everyone. This President does none of these things. I can afford to be flippant about things as I have no constituents to protect.
Am I scared about the virus? Selfishly, absolutely not, I am not worried about this thing in the least for myself. However, I am very scared for the people that have secondary illness's and or are older and in poorer health. They are the one's most vulnerable.
That said, just because we lob excrement at each other here, doesn't mean we want nor should expect the so called leader of the free world to be no better than a casual JO member. In fact, I think most of us could destroy Trump in any philosophical or fight club battle royale.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 01:59:55 PM
Post by: reuben on April 02, 2020, 02:19:03 PM
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"What we've been telling people from directives from the CDC for weeks now that if you start feeling bad stay home, those individuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt bad. But we didn't know that until the last 24 hours," said Kemp
Said Kemp on freaking Wednesday.
If the South wants to go ahead and secede again, I'm all for it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 02:40:37 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/fact-check-georgia-gov-brian-kemp-coronavirus-no-symptoms-stay-at-home/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/fact-check-georgia-gov-brian-kemp-coronavirus-no-symptoms-stay-at-home/index.html)What an idiot. We here in the South have a lot of idiots. We aren't all stupid, I promise. I mean, I'm retarded too, but I know a few non-tards. All high and mighty with their fancy "elementary school education".
Said Kemp on freaking Wednesday.
If the South wants to go ahead and secede again, I'm all for it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
Churches allowed to stay open in states where millions are particularly vulnerable to coronavirus.
Florida, Louisiana, Tennessee, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Delaware, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2020, 02:49:51 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-churches-can-stay-open-in-states-with-especially-vulnerable-populations.html
Churches allowed to stay open in states where millions are particularly vulnerable to coronavirus.
Florida, Louisiana, Tennessee, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Delaware, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas.
Only Jeebus can save them now.
Post by: IATA on April 02, 2020, 03:38:03 PM
whats the point in going to church? you cant pray to whatever from your own home? you need 200 other people there holding your hand? or is it just that youre all really just self-righteous assholes who goto church for clout more than anything?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2020, 04:31:01 PM
jesus thinks their all pieces of excrement too, so peace out i guess dummies?
whats the point in going to church? you cant pray to whatever from your own home? you need 200 other people there holding your hand? or is it just that youre all really just self-righteous assholes who goto church for clout more than anything?
https://twitter.com/doranimated/status/1239686787053711360?s=21
Organized group prayer is serious business, you wouldn’t get it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
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Israeli media reporting health minister Litzman, who has coronavirus, attended illegal synagogue services this week in violation of his own ministry's directives and might have got infected there.
This guy violated his own departments orders just to get his prayers up
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 06:35:55 PM
Apparently NYC is telling ems if they can't revive a cardiac arrest patient in the field, don't bring them to a hospital."If, after 20 minutes of CPR, the defibrillator or the heart monitor shows a "no shock indicated" or a non-shockable rhythm and there is no blood circulation, CPR is to be terminated."
That doesn't sound unreasonable. I'd like to know the survival rate of patients that present this way to the ER. I bet it's extraordinarily low. This makes sense if you take emotion out of it. Admittedly that's difficult if it's your family member.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
Apparently NYC is telling ems if they can't revive a cardiac arrest patient in the field, don't bring them to a hospital.
is that the one order Deblasio has issued?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2020, 06:44:59 PM
"If, after 20 minutes of CPR, the defibrillator or the heart monitor shows a "no shock indicated" or a non-shockable rhythm and there is no blood circulation, CPR is to be terminated."
That doesn't sound unreasonable. I'd like to know the survival rate of patients that present this way to the ER. I bet it's extraordinarily low. This makes sense if you take emotion out of it. Admittedly that's difficult if it's your family member.
That wasn't in the article from NBC, but if that's the case that's much more understandable and not unreasonable.
It's still a shocking thing thoguh when you see government directions basically saying hey there's too many sick people let's give up on some
(albeit that's something I think needs to be considered as part of healthcare reform)
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2020, 08:19:28 PM
is that the one order Deblasio has issued?
Pretty sure that that's not within the remit of any mayor. At least I really freaking hope so.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2020, 08:28:41 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 08:51:11 PM
Pretty sure that that's not within the remit of any mayor. At least I really freaking hope so.
I was joking, I sure hope they cant issue orders like that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 02, 2020, 09:59:27 PM
Cuomo's getting a lot credit, and not all of it undue, but the mayor shutting down NYC schools was the critical turning point in getting the pseudo-shelter-in-place to happen. Once the schools were closed, it forced businesses to accept that they were going to have to start letting people work remotely because otherwise, they were just going to start paying for vacations for most of their staff.
I like practically nothing about the guy, but on this one, he gets an A+ from me.
Post by: reuben on April 02, 2020, 10:24:59 PM
Bill deBlasio is getting excrement on a lot in this thread, and under 99.99% of circumstances, I'd be all-in on the dogpile. But BdB is a big reason why things turned in NY.
Cuomo's getting a lot credit, and not all of it undue, but the mayor shutting down NYC schools was the critical turning point in getting the pseudo-shelter-in-place to happen. Once the schools were closed, it forced businesses to accept that they were going to have to start letting people work remotely because otherwise, they were just going to start paying for vacations for most of their staff.
I like practically nothing about the guy, but on this one, he gets an A+ from me.
What? Why? Cuomo all but demanded NYC schools shut down. DeBlasio doesn't deserve a lick of credit.
3/15:
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New York City should close its schools, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday during a conference call with reporters. He called on the city to come up with a plan within 24 hours to address child care for health care workers and how to feed low-income students.
“I do believe that New York City schools should be closed,” Cuomo said on a conference call. “I call on the parties and the leadership in New York City to come up with a plan on childcare and on food and to do it within 24 hours.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2020, 10:37:51 PM
.@NYCMayor says the City should prepare for a “shelter in place” order. Decision expected within next 48 hours.
NEW STATEMENT FROM @NYGovCuomo OFFICE:
"Any blanket quarantine or shelter in place policy would require State action and as the Governor has said, there is no consideration of that for any locality at this time."
Great job guys
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2020, 10:45:26 PM
Bill deBlasio is getting excrement on a lot in this thread, and under 99.99% of circumstances, I'd be all-in on the dogpile. But BdB is a big reason why things turned in NY.
Cuomo's getting a lot credit, and not all of it undue, but the mayor shutting down NYC schools was the critical turning point in getting the pseudo-shelter-in-place to happen. Once the schools were closed, it forced businesses to accept that they were going to have to start letting people work remotely because otherwise, they were just going to start paying for vacations for most of their staff.
I like practically nothing about the guy, but on this one, he gets an A+ from me.
Care to elaborate on this? By the time they took action and stopped spreading misinformation it was too late
Coronavirus outbreak, New York:
April 2: 92,381 cases
March 28: 52,318 cases
March 23: 20,875 cases
March 18: 2,382 cases
March 13: 421 cases
March 8: 105 cases
March 3: 2 cases
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 06:02:35 AM
1) Xi
2) Iran man bad
3) Dutch PM (update: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/27/caught-between-herd-immunity-and-national-lockdown-holland-hit-hard-by-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
4) Philippines President - (https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1245937203143983107?s=21)
5) Belarus Grand Poobah (https://twitter.com/rtsportnews/status/1244594129113354242?s=21)
6) Boris Johnson
7) Trump
We have a new contender! Phillipines President Philip Duarte enters the race with a strong first showing
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 06:25:25 AM
Is there some kind of criminal penalty enhancer (ie like the hate crime statute) for people committing serious crimes during a national pandemic/emergency?
I mean with resources being especially scarce and any investigations potentially being an amplified risk to public health. You'd think something like that would exist. As people would realize their chances of getting away with a crime are substantially greater and then some right now.
And I'm not talking about bullshit crimes. But things like rape assault murder, major robberies etc
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 07:04:36 AM
Cuomo proposing $2.5 Billion in cuts to Medicaid
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ALBANY — Despite a $6 billion budget gap and new revenue losses posed by New York’s coronavirus outbreak, Gov. Andrew Cuomo is threatening to forgo more than $6 billion in federal aid he says would force him to adjust his Medicaid redesign strategy.
The governor this week reiterated that he will not accept the $6.7 billion in enhanced federal Medicaid matching rate (FMAP) funds approved earlier this month because it would prevent him from modifying the state’s Medicaid program as proposed in his executive budget.
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THE LATEST: New York State Lawmakers Reach Tentative Budget Agreement
+ Spending reduced; no tax hike
+ School aid held flat
+ Billions in Medicaid reductions
+ @NYGovCuomo has power to do mid-year cuts
+ Bail law pared back
+ Pot not legalized
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-ny-hospital-medicaid/
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/27/cuomo-threatens-to-reject-67b-in-federal-aid-in-favor-of-medicaid-redesign-1269446
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 09:06:08 AM
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ammon-bundy-pledges-physical-defense-for-those-who-defy-idahos-covid-19-order
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 09:14:43 AM
You know that thing I was saying about America's obsession with rights being a problem?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ammon-bundy-pledges-physical-defense-for-those-who-defy-idahos-covid-19-order
I think we can all agree nobody is worried about COVID-19 becoming rampant in freaking Idaho.
That would involve people actually traveling there
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 09:15:28 AM
Except that if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life, and it's kind of important that we do that.
If you want to hunker down in a fort made of toilet rolls with your shotgun and a lifetime supply of canned beans then no one's going to stop you, but for most of the rest of the world life needs to go on.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 03, 2020, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 09:28:58 AM
Tell me what's not correct about this statement.
if everyone observes this then a lot of businesses are going to cease operations very quickly. It is possible to exercise good hygiene practices and observe sensible caution while still living a (mostly) normal life
I have said from the outset that the economic impact of the course we have chosen will kill more people than the virus and so far I've seen nothing to dispute that. But it's mostly poor people who will suffer there, so obviously that doesn't matter.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 09:37:48 AM
Tell me what's not correct about this statement.
I have said from the outset that the economic impact of the course we have chosen will kill more people than the virus and so far I've seen nothing to dispute that. But it's mostly poor people who will suffer there, so obviously that doesn't matter.
Most countries have chosen that course. Not an America thing.
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 09:40:10 AM
Most countries have chosen that course. Not an America thing.
Agreed. And now that we have chosen this course, we have to commit to it properly because the worst thing would be to do it half assed and kill excrement tons of people at both ends. But only America AFAIK has people forming armed militias to oppose the strategy because muh rights.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 09:40:13 AM
Tell me what's not correct about this statement.
I have said from the outset that the economic impact of the course we have chosen will kill more people than the virus and so far I've seen nothing to dispute that. But it's mostly poor people who will suffer there, so obviously that doesn't matter.
Considering that they've said it'll take a poor person 4 to 5 years to recoup wages lost from this, I think its fairly likely still that the economic consequences will have a greater impact than the disease, just obviously not all shock and awe.
That aid its blatantly freaking obvious that the economic consequences and disease consequences would all be far had everyone just hid in a freaking bunker at the start of this
And still would be everyday
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 09:48:32 AM
Agreed. And now that we have chosen this course, we have to commit to it properly because the worst thing would be to do it half assed and kill excrement tons of people at both ends. But only America AFAIK has people forming armed militias to oppose the strategy because muh rights.
I mean some crazy dude in Idaho with his band of merry men isn't really that far.
Hell everyone knows that Gen Zers are a much much bigger problem
Post by: bojanglesman on April 03, 2020, 09:52:33 AM
Agreed. And now that we have chosen this course, we have to commit to it properly because the worst thing would be to do it half assed and kill excrement tons of people at both ends. But only America AFAIK has people forming armed militias to oppose the strategy because muh rights.
I still don't think you should lump everyone in America together because of our idiots. Yes, they are quite special, elite even. The majority of the rest of us think they are idiots but are still proud to be Americans for many other reasons.
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 09:56:19 AM
I still don't think you should lump everyone in America together because of our idiots. Yes, they are quite special, elite even. The majority of the rest of us think they are idiots but are still proud to be Americans for many other reasons.
Yes, I'm very aware of that. I'm not saying that 330M people think that it's in any way reasonable, just that it's really only the US where someone taking such a course of action would be considered unsurprising.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 10:01:18 AM
Agreed. And now that we have chosen this course, we have to commit to it properly because the worst thing would be to do it half assed and kill excrement tons of people at both ends. But only America AFAIK has people forming armed militias to oppose the strategy because muh rights.
I agree:
I was also thinking how hilarious mandatory testing ala South Korea would be here and how many people would complain or refuse to comply because Americans are difficult assholes
https://twitter.com/krausekraig/status/1238869768746172417?s=21
People are vastly underestimating how dumb Americans are
Not just a Merica thing:
Italian authorities have pressed charges against more than 40,000 people for violating the lockdown imposed to contain the coronavirus, according to figures from the interior ministry.
While millions of Italians have been staying at home since 9 March, when the prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, imposed a national quarantine, a minority of the population have violated rules requiring citizens to venture out only if strictly necessary, such as for work, health-related reasons or grocery shopping.
Italy reported its biggest daily rise in deaths on Wednesday, with 475 new fatalities. The country now has 35,713 cases – approaching half the total for China, which stands at 81,102.
Police stopped and checked 700,000 citizens between 11 and 17 March, 43,000 of whom were found to have violated the decree, which also ordered the closing of shops, bars, restaurants, gyms and swimming pools.
One of the most serious cases happened in Sciacca, Sicily, when a man who had tested positive for Covid-19 was discovered by police while out shopping, despite the strict order to self-isolate at home. Prosecutors opened an investigation and accused the man of “aiding the epidemic”. If convicted, he could face up to 12 years in prison.
On 10 March a 30-year-old man was stopped by the police in Turin at 2.30am while soliciting a sex worker.
Police near Venice pressed charges against a priest because he was officiating at a funeral. Another priest was reported for the same reason in Torre Annunziata in Campania, together with relatives of the deceased. Funeral services are banned under the decree.
The prosecutor’s office in Aosta, in north-west Italy, opened an investigation against a man for “aggravated attempt to spread the epidemic” because he had not informed his doctors of suspected coronavirus symptoms before undergoing plastic surgery on his nose. The man subsequently tested positive for Covid-19.
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
Not just a Merica thing:
Not taking it seriously is absolutely not just an America thing. We've had people busting into locked playgrounds so that their kids can play on the equipment, and have had to impose bylaws giving the city the ability to issue $750 spot fines for failing to observe strict rules about essential activity and physical distancing because our parks have been really full of people hanging out with their friends and generally treating it like a holiday.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 11:22:15 AM
You know that thing I was saying about America's obsession with rights being a problem?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ammon-bundy-pledges-physical-defense-for-those-who-defy-idahos-covid-19-order (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ammon-bundy-pledges-physical-defense-for-those-who-defy-idahos-covid-19-order)
If there is ever a time to use a Predator drone on US soil, it's when these douchebags meet in public again.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
If there is ever a time to use a Predator drone on US soil, it's when these douchebags meet in public again.
I would save it for the next time congress meets to work on another stimulus package solving global warming the center for the arts and whatever dogshit is included
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 11:39:08 AM
Stay the freak at home.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=YUakLzaboMo&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=YUakLzaboMo&feature=emb_logo)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 12:15:05 PM
Corona 1st Ballot HOF
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 12:27:41 PM
*A RECAP OF THE LAST THREE WEEKS*
AMERICA: Oh my god! Coronavirus! What should we do?
CALIFORNIA: Shut down your states.
AMERICA: Wait... what? Why?
CALIFORNIA: Because 40 million people live here and we did it early, and it’s working.
OHIO: Whoa... whoa... let’s not be hasty now. The president said that this whole coronavirus thing is a democratic hoax.
CALIFORNIA: He also said that windmills cause cancer. Shut down your state.
TEXAS: But the president said that we only have 15 cases and soon it'll be zero.
CALIFORNIA: The president can’t count to fifteen. Nor even spell it. Shut down your state.
NEW JERSEY: Us too?
CALIFORNIA: Yes, you guys too. Just like when Christie shut down the bridge, but it’s your whole state.
FLORIDA: But what about all these kids here on spring break?? They spend a lot of money here!
CALIFORNIA: Those kids invented the tide pod challenge. Shut down your state.
LOUISIANA: But wait let’s have Mardi Gras first. It entertains people.
CALIFORNIA: It also kills them. Shut it down.
GEORGIA: Ok well how about we keep the state open for all of our mega churches? Maybe we can all pray really hard until the coronavirus just goes away!
CALIFORNIA: Which is working like a charm for mass shootings. Jesus told us to tell you to shut down your state.
OKLAHOMA: What about the tigers?
CALIFORNIA: What about a dentist. Shut it down.
WYOMING: Hold up, maybe we should go county by county like the president said.
CALIFORNIA: Stop acting like there are counties in Wyoming. There are no counties in Wyoming. Wyoming is a county. Shut it down.
PENNSYLVANIA: But big coal.
CALIFORNIA: But big death. Shut it.
WEST VIRGINIA: But we were the last state to get coronavirus!
CALIFORNIA: And don’t make us explain to you why that was. Shut it down.
NORTH CAROLINA: But the republican national convention is coming here!
CALIFORNIA: Ok fine...Do what you want.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
There's no doubt Trump sucks and failed here. But NY is as much of a liberal stronghold as they come
Plus Europe isn't exactly doing a great job.
The only thing the USA has going for it is a much lower death rate and I haven't quite understood why that was
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
I love how that made up excrement picks Ohio as the first red state to troll when they were one of the first states in the country to publicly broadcast they had an outbreak, close bars/restaurants and enact a shelter in place
Yes yes yes, but the Tide Pod line was freaking funny.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 12:47:14 PM
Yes yes yes, but the Tide Pod line was freaking funny.
But that’s also false, it was a stupid derriere internet challenge
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In early 2018, media publications noted that shortly after the product's introduction, the consumption of Tide Pods became a topic of discussion on the Internet.[8][19] Ultimately, eating Tide Pods became a meme, with its origins being credited to a 2013 thread on the Straight Dope online and a 2015 article from The Onion.[19][20][21][22] Mashable quoted an instance of a tweet regarding this topic from 2012, "Why does a Tide Pod look so good to eat?"[8] The Straight Dope thread's discussion was more centered on children accidentally eating Tide Pods, rather than the meme's iteration popularized in 2017, which portrays pods as a delicious food.[19] The topic of children eating the pods was a concept based on real incidents of children consuming them.[23]
In the following years, eating Tide Pods became a popular joke online.[19] In March 2017, CollegeHumor uploaded a sketch video titled Don't Eat The Laundry Pods.[19][8] Posts begin to prefer "Tide Pods" to more generic terms such as "laundry pods" with a thread posted on Reddit's "intrusivethoughts" subreddit in July 2017.[8] The thread, titled "Bite into one of those Tide Pods. Do it.",[a] was referenced in another Onion article the following day.[8] Posts on Tumblr contributed to the meme's rise,[24] but in December 2017, the meme's popularity rose significantly due to various viral tweets.[19] Many posts referred to the pods as a "forbidden fruit".[12][23][25] Memes involving the Tide Pods included joking about how "delicious" they appear, as well as posting images with the pods on top of food.[26] Vox described the meme as "pok[ing] fun at the idea of consuming the pods, while (usually) stopping short of actually doing so."[12] The publication noted that part of the allure of discussing, wondering, and joking about consuming the pods spawns from the product's warning to not eat the pods.[12] In early January 2018, television personality Jimmy Kimmel referenced the meme when discussing a tweet from President Donald Trump: "sounds like somebody's been in the White House laundry room eating Tide Pods again because the President of the United States is starting his own award show for the media."[27]
"Tide Pod Challenge" Edit
During the first few weeks of 2018, following the meme's surge in popularity, media publications started reporting about teenagers participating in the Tide Pod Challenge.[28][29] The challenge is an Internet challenge in which an individual consumes Tide Pods.[14] Teenagers were the reported demographic participating in the challenge; they would record themselves chewing and gagging on pods and then daring others to do the same. Some of these videos were posted on YouTube.[29][30] Some teens cooked the pods prior to eating them.[30]
I left the top part in because I never realized these dumbass kids got the idea to do it from dumbass adults
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 12:58:35 PM
But that’s also false, it was a stupid derriere internet challenge
I left the top part in because I never realized these dumbass kids got the idea to do it from dumbass adults
You're no fun
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 03, 2020, 01:19:29 PM
Dude got cheered by the whole crew as he walked off the ship after being relieved.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
CO of the THEODORE ROOSEVELT (CVN 71) writes a letter to his superiors asking for immediate assistance due to a mass outbreak of COVID-19 on his ship (98 people and counting). Someone in the 20 person CC line leaks said letter. CO gets fired. WTF?
Dude got cheered by the whole crew as he walked off the ship after being relieved.
He got fired for leaking the letter, when he didn't leak the letter. A few of his superiors fought the firing but it was from a civilian flunky on Trump's cabinet.
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WASHINGTON—Navy leaders have relieved the captain of a U.S. aircraft carrier after a memo to military officials in which he pleaded for help with a coronavirus outbreak at sea was leaked to a newspaper.
Capt. Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, now at port in Guam, was relieved Thursday after superiors said they lost confidence in his ability to lead. The decision to remove him drew outrage from lawmakers and some relatives of crew members who backed the commander’s call for attention to the crisis.
Capt. Crozier had written a four-page memorandum (https://www.wsj.com/articles/captain-of-virus-stricken-carrier-asks-navy-for-more-help-11585669825?mod=article_inline) recently demanding that superiors allow him to take the carrier to the port in Guam to offload sailors stricken with Covid-19. At least 114 of the vessel’s crew have tested positive for the new coronavirus (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nearly-two-dozen-u-s-sailors-on-aircraft-carrier-test-positive-for-coronavirus-11585232518?mod=article_inline).
“We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die,” Capt. Crozier wrote in his March 30 memo, which was reported by the San Francisco Chronicle. “If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset—our sailors.”
Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said he made the decision to relieve Capt. Crozier because the commander’s memo left the impression that the Navy was only responding to the outbreak due to the plea.
“It creates the perception that the Navy is not on the job…and that is not true,” Mr. Modly said at a Pentagon news briefing Thursday.
He added that he expected criticism for the decision. “The responsibility for this decision rests with me,” Mr. Modly said. “I expect no congratulations.”
The decision to remove the Roosevelt commander came as a surprise to some Navy leaders, who said their focus had been getting resources to the ship, defense officials said.
Rep. Seth Moulton (D., Mass.), a former U.S. Marine and an Iraq war veteran, said the removal of the captain raised questions about Navy leadership and would draw inquiries from Congress.
“I learned on my first day in the Marines that having the courage to speak truth to power is grounds for respect, not grounds for relief,” Mr. Moulton said in a Twitter (https://quotes.wsj.com/TWTR) message.
The Navy’s decision to remove Capt. Crozier—a move tantamount to firing him from the armed services—spurred debate among top officials this week. Two of Capt. Crozier’s uniformed commanders, Adm. Mike Gilday, chief of naval operations, and Adm. John Aquilino, who is in charge of naval operations in the Pacific, questioned the decision, defense officials said.
At a Pentagon press briefing Thursday, however, Adm. Gilday said he supported Mr. Modly’s decision. Adm. Aquilino, through a spokesperson, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Modly, a civilian official who was appointed by President Trump as undersecretary of the Navy in 2017 and became acting secretary last year, said he had no communication with the White House about the decision. He said he had relayed his decision to Defense Secretary Mark Esper.
Mr. Trump briefly addressed Capt. Crozier’s dismissal during a White House briefing on the coronavirus pandemic on Thursday, denying the move was punishment for calling attention to the plight of the crew.
“I don’t agree with that at all,” Mr. Trump said. “Not even a little bit.”
Some family members said they feared the decision to remove Capt. Crozier at the height of the crisis on the ship would slow the response, while others called it an act of retribution.
Capt. Crozier “called out the Navy, and that is why this is happening to him,” said a family member of one sailor, referring to Capt. Crozier. “He was only looking out for his sailors and this is what happens to him. It’s all about covering up for themselves.”
The post of aircraft carrier commander is among the Navy’s top jobs. Capt. Crozier is a 28-year veteran who has served as a naval aviator and officer around the world, including during the Iraq war. His removal was reported earlier Thursday by Reuters.
The Roosevelt was the first U.S. military vessel to suffer an outbreak of coronavirus while at sea (https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-reports-first-cases-of-coronavirus-aboard-a-ship-at-sea-11585089022?mod=article_inline). While officials don’t know how the virus came onto the ship, roughly 30 sailors had stayed at a hotel during a port visit in Vietnam earlier in March.
Initially, two sailors tested positive for the virus two weeks ago. The number has since jumped to more than 100 and is expected to keep growing, Navy officials said. The Navy last week airlifted the first several infected sailors from the aircraft carrier to medical facilities and stressed that the ship would be able to respond to any threat.
Days later, the vessel docked in Guam (https://www.wsj.com/articles/virus-grounds-a-u-s-aircraft-carrier-as-crew-quarantined-in-guam-11585736476?mod=article_inline), where it is expected to be for weeks as sailors undergo testing and treatment.
At a news conference on Wednesday, a day before the removal, Mr. Modly had said that leaking the memo to a news organization would constitute a violation of Navy policy, and he wouldn’t rule out disciplinary action.
On Thursday, Mr. Modly said that the memo was published in Capt. Crozier’s hometown newspaper, the San Francisco Chronicle, but wouldn’t say whether he believes Capt. Crozier leaked the memo to the publication.
He said Capt. Crozier sent the memo to a “broad array of people,” resulting in it being leaked. He wouldn’t say who received copies of the memo from Capt. Crozier, only that it went to as many as 30 people.
Write to Nancy A. Youssef at nancy.youssef@wsj.com (nancy.youssef@wsj.com) and Gordon Lubold at Gordon.Lubold@wsj.com (Gordon.Lubold@wsj.com)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 01:29:22 PM
You're no fun
When I’m sober
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
Speaking of, it’s 2:30 pm EST which in Rona time is 5:30. Time to start drinking
I have been drinking since 730 am, time is a flat circle now, you're a lightweight.
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
I have been drinking since 730 am, time is a flat circle now, you're a lightweight.
Quarantine rules are the same as airport rules, you are allowed to drink any time you want.
Post by: MBGreen on April 03, 2020, 01:59:15 PM
@richard680news
·
16m
#BREAKING - Only online sales of cannabis is now permitted in Ontario. The Ford government has removed cannabis storefront retail from its essential business list.
IATA might kill himself
Post by: bojanglesman on April 03, 2020, 04:17:58 PM
Dumbasses lighting 5G masts on fire because it caused coronavirus.
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2020, 04:25:35 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-5g-mast-set-on-fire-after-baseless-conspiracy-theory-link-to-pandemic-11968217
Dumbasses lighting 5G masts on fire because it caused coronavirus.
I want to say that I'm surprised but... no.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 05:10:21 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-5g-mast-set-on-fire-after-baseless-conspiracy-theory-link-to-pandemic-11968217 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-5g-mast-set-on-fire-after-baseless-conspiracy-theory-link-to-pandemic-11968217)
Dumbasses lighting 5G masts on fire because it caused coronavirus.
So 2ait there's a lunatic fringe in other countries? Or dumbasses?
Who would have thunk it, I thought they were part and parcel just a US problem.
Post by: reuben on April 03, 2020, 05:15:33 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-5g-mast-set-on-fire-after-baseless-conspiracy-theory-link-to-pandemic-11968217
Dumbasses lighting 5G masts on fire because it caused coronavirus.
I keep trying to remind myself that people throughout modern history have been far, far dumber, on the whole, than we are now and it just doesn't seem that way because nowadays everyone in the world has a video camera and soapbox in their hands 24/7.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 07:16:24 PM
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Corona beer is temporarily stopping production.
Mexico's government has declared it a "non-essential" business.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 07:42:08 PM
Mexico passing an opportunity to make money?
They must be hit harder than was reported
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 10:10:20 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 03, 2020, 10:23:27 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 03, 2020, 11:31:00 PM
Trump has jokes: "The models show hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and you know what I want to do? I want to come way under the model. The professionals did the models and I was never involved in a model. At least this kind of a model."
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2020, 11:47:33 PM
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/blood-pressure-meds-point-the-way-to-possible-covid-19-treatment-67371?utm_campaign=TS_DAILY%20NEWSLETTER_2020&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=85707187&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-83hxJ-mR1L5o0sg_g2jsUVCzBzn6EGWYF6rMKoGrBsZcXlBifXURmQRwXyT5I91nGbS67cXRKIZ2ewBbTej839Qfn2Xw&_hsmi=85707187
Eh lots of big words in there, but I'm getting the impression that it'll make much of a difference. On the plus side there should be absolutely massive amounts of data available on this (as there's a freak ton of people on anti hypertensive drugs) so it should be fairly easy to support or disprove this hypothesis with data
Post by: Pope on April 04, 2020, 06:41:56 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2020, 06:48:29 AM
I need to stop drinking during this excrement. That’s twice this week that I’ve gone from sitting at my computer to waking up in bed with whiskey on my nightstand with no recollection of what happened in betweenDid you get his name before he left?
Post by: Pope on April 04, 2020, 06:50:27 AM
Did you get his name before he left?Miami something
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Miami somethingSee a doctor
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2020, 09:00:12 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Once the US realizes it was serious it's like people accelerated at spreading it
Post by: guinness77 on April 04, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMpksSJfS43_dgKyE4k-QzEqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowopWBCzCqrvwCMImg7QU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
Apparently a resident in some town near me tried to set up a “social distancing” parade that was supposed to be next Saturday. Looks like someone with half a brain put the kibosh on it.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMpksSJfS43_dgKyE4k-QzEqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowopWBCzCqrvwCMImg7QU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Did they miss sitting on traffic thst much that they wanna simulate the experience
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2020, 11:49:12 AM
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Marvin L. James II
@sportsguymarv
BREAKING: The Georgia Department of Natural Resources says it is reopening the state's beaches, despite the coronavirus.
Imagine being this freaking stupid.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2020, 11:57:06 AM
Imagine being this freaking stupid.
Kind of out of context for maximum hysteria
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In compliance with Governor Kemp’s Shelter-in-Place order, Glynn County beaches are open for the purposes of exercise as of 6:00 p.m. on April 3, 2020. However the use of chairs, tents, and umbrellas on Georgia's coastal beaches is prohibited per the Georgia Department of Natural Resources effective as of 6:00 p.m. on April 3, 2020 through April 13, 2020. In order to provide parking, the parking areas of Massengale Park and Coast Guard Park will open as of 6:00 p.m. While using these areas, continue to maintain a distance of more than six feet from others who do not live in your household."
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2020, 11:58:34 AM
Kind of out of context for maximum hysteria
how about staying the freak home?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2020, 12:01:32 PM
how about staying the freak home?
Presumably after looking at the jerkoffs in NYC and realizing this will certainly be at least 2 months, with a decent chance of 4 +, they're trying to set reasonable guidelines.
If people were forced to basically stay in their houses for 4 months, more people would almost certainly die from that than coronavirus (and I don't mean from starvation since obviously people would be allowed to get food etc)
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Presumably after looking at the jerkoffs in NYC and realizing this will certainly be at least 2 months, with a decent chance of 4 +, they're trying to set reasonable guidelines.
If people were forced to basically stay in their houses for 4 months, more people would almost certainly die from that than coronavirus (and I don't mean from starvation since obviously people would be allowed to get food etc)
They wouldn't die from self-isolation. That's what it's gonna take...staying the freak home.
Going to the beach is freaking retarded, just like the govt making them accessible.
People need to start removing their heads from their asses, or this won't end anytime soon.
Post by: reuben on April 04, 2020, 02:12:10 PM
Presumably after looking at the jerkoffs in NYC and realizing this will certainly be at least 2 months, with a decent chance of 4 +, they're trying to set reasonable guidelines.
It's precisely the "reasonable guidelines" that are going to extend this thing indefinitely. We could kick this excrement in a month if we would actually freaking QUARANTINE.
freaking beaches. Secede, South.
Post by: Pope on April 04, 2020, 02:21:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2020, 02:45:29 PM
I propose we all sit inside for the rest of our livesAt this rate, it’s going to feel like that. Until people wise the freak up.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2020, 02:47:38 PM
The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.
I thank the Chinese government, Jack Ma, Joe Tsai, the Jack Ma Foundation, the Tsai Foundation and Consul General Huang.
-Cuomo
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2020, 02:52:24 PM
Anyone who voted for this guy should perform seppuku.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2020, 02:57:35 PM
Total of 124,632 cases and 15,362 deaths.
Post by: Johnny English on April 04, 2020, 02:59:57 PM
Italy reports 4,805 new cases of coronavirus and 681 new deaths.
Total of 124,632 cases and 15,362 deaths.
Which sounds bad, and is bad, but is also further evidence that they have plateaued and are starting to slowly improve.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
Post by: MBGreen on April 04, 2020, 03:13:16 PM
Which sounds bad, and is bad, but is also further evidence that they have plateaued and are starting to slowly improve.There’s gonna be like 4 people left in that country when it’s all said and done
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
Post by: Johnny English on April 04, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
There’s gonna be like 4 people left in that country when it’s all said and done
I get that you're being hyperbolic, but it's the worst hit country in the world (so far) and is finally starting to recover, and their deaths amount to less than three hundredths of 1% of the population (0.0256% to be exact).
Post by: Pope on April 04, 2020, 03:28:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2020, 03:44:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
At White House briefing, @realDonaldTrump says 1,000 military personnel are deploying to NYC at his direction, though not immediately clear where/how they'll be utilized.They'll guard Trump Tower.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2020, 07:03:44 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200406/d5573f72fd6a8a7ab19d350a0ca8925e.jpg)
Post by: guinness77 on April 05, 2020, 07:18:06 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 05, 2020, 07:36:37 PM
I’ll bet you Puck’s bridge that Robertson takes it up the derriere from a male prostitute.
You don't need my bridge, use real money.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 05:09:29 AM
- Number of new cases down
- Number of new deaths down
- Number of new hospitalizations down
- Number of new ICU patients down
- Number of newly discharged patients up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 05:15:09 AM
Post by: Jumbo on April 06, 2020, 05:42:02 AM
Boris Johnson climbing the power rankings
we the people demand new rankings
Post by: dcm1602 on April 06, 2020, 07:06:18 AM
Good news from New York:
- Number of new cases down
- Number of new deaths down
- Number of new hospitalizations down
- Number of new ICU patients down
- Number of newly discharged patients up
Bad news from NY
Several animals at the Bronx Zoo tested positive for coronavirus after developing coughs.
Animals can now get Coronavirus
Several of them were tigers. So now you have coronavirus infecting freaking tigers out there
And no this isn't some tiger King meme
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52177586
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 07:12:28 AM
Lmao CBS owned
Post by: dcm1602 on April 06, 2020, 07:24:40 AM
https://twitter.com/sorenwolff/status/1246948215011725314?s=21
Lmao CBS owned
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This Tweet is unavailable
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 07:44:05 AM
Does the original CBS tweet still work?
https://twitter.com/jali_cat/status/1247051475546669057?s=21
This is the reply I posted, different link
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 07:52:43 AM
* NY: Gross new hospitalized down two days in a row; .. peak strain now exp within a week
* Italy: ICU declined first time
* Spain: Deaths down 3 days in a row
* France: ICU slowing; deaths flattening”
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1247111149516132352?s=21
Post by: dcm1602 on April 06, 2020, 07:55:01 AM
Does the original CBS tweet still work?
https://twitter.com/jali_cat/status/1247051475546669057?s=21
This is the reply I posted, different link
The freak am I watching
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 09:10:49 AM
1) Xi
2) Iran man bad
3) Jair Bolsonaro
Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro has tried to reassure his citizens over the threat of coronavirus by claiming Brazilians can bathe in excrement “and nothing happens”.
“They never catch anything. You see some bloke jumping into the sewage, he gets out, has a dive, right? And nothing happens to him.”
Without offering any scientific evidence, Bolsonaro continued: “I think it’s even possible lots of people have already been infected in Brazil, a few weeks or months ago, and have already got the antibodies that help it not to proliferate”.
https://twitter.com/carinzissis/status/1243652903790956544?s=21
4) Dutch PM
update: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/27/caught-between-herd-immunity-and-national-lockdown-holland-hit-hard-by-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
5) Sweden PM
herd immunity SZN
6) Boris Johnson
update: tested positive for covid 10 days ago, hospitalized yesterday
The prime minister was reportedly treated with oxygen after arriving at St Thomas' Hospital in London on Sunday at 8 pm GMT.
Aides reportedly became "increasingly worried" about the prime minister's health in recent days due to his appearance and symptoms of the virus.
Johnson was "more seriously ill than either he or his officials were prepared to admit," according to the Guardian, which reported a source suggesting Johnson "was being seen by doctors who were concerned about his breathing."
7) Philippines President
(https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1245937203143983107?s=21)
8- Belarus Grand Poobah
(https://twitter.com/rtsportnews/status/1244594129113354242?s=21)
9) Trump
Prrrrrt
New additions for this week:
Jair Bolsonaro
Swedish PM
Trending up:
Boris Johnson
Post by: Jumbo on April 06, 2020, 09:38:54 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 06, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1247140405826682885 (https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1247140405826682885)
That's good news but anyone reading the numbers they were using could see they were a tad high.
By a tad, I mean really freaking high.
Post by: IATA on April 06, 2020, 11:42:09 AM
Animals can now get Coronavirus
it started in animals
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
it started in animals
It had to go through a mutation to transfer to humans, and then another mutation for human to human transmission
Not sure about human to animal transmission but seems like it would go through the same process
Post by: ScotlandJet on April 06, 2020, 12:03:11 PM
Please retain for posterity - I miss work!
Post by: Miamipuck on April 06, 2020, 12:12:07 PM
Hope you guys are staying safe and well. Due to this lock down I will probably die of alcoholism before the Virus but you already knew this.
Please retain for posterity - I miss work!
You probably miss tailgates too but hey at least that choice was 100% voluntary.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 06, 2020, 01:49:59 PM
It had to go through a mutation to transfer to humans, and then another mutation for human to human transmission
Not sure about human to animal transmission but seems like it would go through the same process
What makes me nervous is that it originated in bats, mutated to transfer to humans, then mutated to transfer to tigers. All mammals, but all distinct species. The question to me is: how many times can this thing mutate? After it has lived within tigers, could it return to humans in a different form?
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 01:58:04 PM
What makes me nervous is that it originated in bats, mutated to transfer to humans, then mutated to transfer to tigers. All mammals, but all distinct species. The question to me is: how many times can this thing mutate? After it has lived within tigers, could it return to humans in a different form?
I don't believe that SFD is quite correct; it didn't mutate to crossover, it's just that it doesn't impact bats in the same way. Just like dogs can eat raw chicken without worrying about getting salmonella, so bats can carry a virus that impacts us differently to how it impacts them, if at all.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-human-actions-intl/index.html
It's just that a) humans don't come into very much contact with bats, and b) given the relative size of a bat it's rather more difficult for it to carry and transfer the viral load necessary to infect an animal the size of a human. If it actually started with bats, which seems to be a matter of some uncertainty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-did-covid-19-begin-its-initial-origin-story-is-shaky/2020/04/02/1475d488-7521-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 06, 2020, 01:58:51 PM
At White House briefing, @realDonaldTrump says 1,000 military personnel are deploying to NYC at his direction, though not immediately clear where/how they'll be utilized.
That’s roughly the military crew of the Comfort, to include both hospital and support staff.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 06, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
I don't believe that SFD is quite correct; it didn't mutate to crossover, it's just that it doesn't impact bats in the same way. Just like dogs can eat raw chicken without worrying about getting salmonella, so bats can carry a virus that impacts us differently to how it impacts them, if at all.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-human-actions-intl/index.html
It's just that a) humans don't come into very much contact with bats, and b) given the relative size of a bat it's rather more difficult for it to carry and transfer the viral load necessary to infect an animal the size of a human. If it actually started with bats, which seems to be a matter of some uncertainty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-did-covid-19-begin-its-initial-origin-story-is-shaky/2020/04/02/1475d488-7521-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html
I don't know. I'm basing my thinking off an article about a Chinese scientist who has been studying bats for years. Her position is that bats are a breeding ground for diseases that could infect humans. I don't recall where I read it though, it was a couple of weeks ago now.
What you're saying makes sense though. And it also might explain why "just" tigers in the zoo are infected, rather than every animal the caretaker had come in contact with.
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 02:14:31 PM
I don't know. I'm basing my thinking off an article about a Chinese scientist who has been studying bats for years. Her position is that bats are a breeding ground for diseases that could infect humans.
For sure, I can believe that. But the disease can't impact them the same way, otherwise you would expect that either they would have all died off from it or they would have developed a herd immunity and the disease would have died out.
Post by: reuben on April 06, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 06, 2020, 02:22:16 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
Boris Johnson now in intensive care
The only shame of it is that he's not having to contend with everyone else for the resources that he failed to provide.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
I don't believe that SFD is quite correct; it didn't mutate to crossover, it's just that it doesn't impact bats in the same way. Just like dogs can eat raw chicken without worrying about getting salmonella, so bats can carry a virus that impacts us differently to how it impacts them, if at all.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-human-actions-intl/index.html
It's just that a) humans don't come into very much contact with bats, and b) given the relative size of a bat it's rather more difficult for it to carry and transfer the viral load necessary to infect an animal the size of a human. If it actually started with bats, which seems to be a matter of some uncertainty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-did-covid-19-begin-its-initial-origin-story-is-shaky/2020/04/02/1475d488-7521-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html
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A study from The Scripps Research Institute found two possible sources of coronavirus, which may explain the emergence of the initial wave of COVID-19 cases in November 2019, prior to the cluster of cases that emerged in the Wuhan seafood market.
The researchers identified the two origins to be: natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer and natural selection in humans following zoonotic (animal-to-human) transfer.
The first origin—mutation in an animal host—would mean that a form of virus mutated within wild animals in the likes of bats and pangolins before spreading to humans.
In this scenario, humans got in direct contact with animals that had mutated viruses within them, causing the first animal to human transmission to occur.
The second scenario—natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer—suggests that a lesser form of coronavirus may have transferred from a bat or a pangolin to a human body, and the virus mutated within humans afterward.
As the virus started to mutate, it also began to transmit from humans to humans, causing the outbreak to start.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 02:34:41 PM
What makes me nervous is that it originated in bats, mutated to transfer to humans, then mutated to transfer to tigers. All mammals, but all distinct species. The question to me is: how many times can this thing mutate? After it has lived within tigers, could it return to humans in a different form?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/03/coronavirus-animal-reservoir-research/
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 04:42:27 PM
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-secretary-blasts-fired-aircraft-carrier-captain
Skip to 1:50 in the recording and listen to the impromptu review in the background from one of the sailors.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 06, 2020, 05:05:58 PM
So, this is going well.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-secretary-blasts-fired-aircraft-carrier-captain
Skip to 1:50 in the recording and listen to the impromptu review in the background from one of the sailors.
Mosley is a queynte wow.
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 09:31:10 PM
Like they say - "never waste a good crisis".
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 09:38:10 PM
So, this is going well.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-secretary-blasts-fired-aircraft-carrier-captain
Skip to 1:50 in the recording and listen to the impromptu review in the background from one of the sailors.
I know it's bad form to quote your own posts, but here's the follow up:
(https://i.imgur.com/zw215kr.png)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/uss-tr-crozier-modly/index.html
You really could have picked a bunch of people at random from this board to run your government and you'd not have been any worse off. Trump is so far out of his depth it's almost impossible to get your head round.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 06, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
NVM I found it. I'd ask why Task & Purpose buried it at the bottom but the answer is that Task & Purpose is an awful publication.
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2020, 10:12:53 PM
Is there another video that was originally posted here? The only one that comes up is the 1:45 video Crozier made when he first took command of the TR.
Soundcloud clip at the bottom of the article. Took me a minute to see it as well.
I'm deliberately not asking you to comment and nor should you feel like you should unless you wish to.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 06, 2020, 10:43:36 PM
Task & Purpose sucks. This opinion is independent of the Crozier incident.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 07, 2020, 10:05:49 AM
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/03/coronavirus-animal-reservoir-research/
Yup, pretty much what I figured. Evolution made mankind king of the animals, but it works for other living things too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 07, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
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Gov. Andrew Cuomo is teaming up with his opposite numbers in New Jersey and Connecticut to plan for an eventual return to normalcy once the worst of the coronavirus has passed.
“We’re working on a tri-state cooperative,” said Cuomo in an Albany press briefing of himself, Garden State Gov. Phil Murphy, and Nutmeg State Gov. Ned Lamont.
The trio last month collaborated on a pact to shut down non-essential businesses in their states to stem the spread of the disease, and will again work together on reigniting the engine when the time comes.
“We have to start planning restarting life. We’re not there yet,” he said. “But this is not a light switch that we can just flick one day, and everything goes back to normal.
“We’re gonna have to restart that economy, we’re gonna have to restart a lot of systems that we shut down abruptly.”
The three governors have discussed “a regional, metropolitan, tri-state approach to do just that,” Cuomo said.
But, Cuomo stressed, such steps can’t begin until a more comprehensive approach to testing has been hammered out.
NYPost
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Post by: delavan on April 07, 2020, 02:42:22 PM
https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1247610247071621120
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2020, 06:21:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 07, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 07, 2020, 09:44:55 PM
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies
And people want the federal government to run our healthcare lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 07, 2020, 10:00:51 PM
Modly quit.
Yup. Good.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 07, 2020, 11:59:00 PM
And people want the federal government to run our healthcare lol
To be fair they want the government to run health insurance
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2020, 06:32:41 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 08, 2020, 01:16:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 08, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
https://twitter.com/govmurphy/status/1247937565874847744?s=21I guess Doug can't build the Jets roster now.
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
I guess Doug can't build the Jets roster now.
He's stopped non-essential construction, so we're fine.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2020, 04:10:41 PM
He's stopped non-essential construction, so we're fine.(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QueasyReliableCuckoo-size_restricted.gif)
Post by: Pope on April 08, 2020, 09:24:17 PM
https://twitter.com/johnmaffeoo/status/1247334401777774592?s=21This video is porn
Post by: insanity on April 09, 2020, 06:22:02 AM
To be fair they want the government to run health insurance
Correct this has nothing to do with national healthcare.
Also trump's a piece of excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2020, 06:53:00 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 09, 2020, 07:21:01 AM
https://twitter.com/zachariah4k/status/1245791241746305024?s=21
https://twitter.com/_tokenwhiteguy_/status/1246151171103834113?s=20
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2020, 07:34:05 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2020, 08:29:02 AM
I keep hearing we're 18 months away from a vaccine. There's no way in hell that testing and distribution won't be fast-tracked.
I haven't seen that number anywhere.
But hopefully some kind of deregulation of pushing out new medical drugs and treatments is a consequence of this whole diasaster going forward
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2020, 09:28:37 AM
I haven't seen that number anywhere.
But hopefully some kind of deregulation of pushing out new medical drugs and treatments is a consequence of this whole diasaster going forward
that number is prevalent during multiple press conferences with our health and gov't officials.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2020, 09:56:01 AM
that number is prevalent during multiple press conferences with our health and gov't officials.
Multiple companies are starting human trials this or next month
18 months seems very long off
No rush but if you come across another article I'd love to take a gander
Ok saw a bill gates quote that it could take 18 months
Keyword could
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
Multiple companies are starting human trials this or next month
18 months seems very long off
No rush but if you come across another article I'd love to take a gander
Ok saw a bill gates quote that it could take 18 months
Keyword could
I've seen 18 months as the quoted timeframe in a bunch of places, although I think that means developed, tested, approved, mass produced and available to all.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/when-will-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready
Post by: Pope on April 09, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 09, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 12:00:50 PM
Vaccine will probably take quite some time but what we need is the antibody testing in the short term
I'm not convinced on antibody testing as being immune to it doesn't prevent you from spreading it, and I don't like the idea of a two tier society where we only allow people with proven resistance to go back to work.
Prevention and eradication is ideal, but if in the much shorter term we can come up with some way of treating people so that they don't end up in hospital when they do contract it then that has to be the optimal route IMO. Whether that be some combination of existing drugs that prove efficacious or whether it's one of these antibody treatments that sound promising and like they could be approved by late summer I don't know, but we need one of these things to happen.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 09, 2020, 12:07:57 PM
Multiple companies are starting human trials this or next monthhttps://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/coronavirus-vaccine-timetable-concerns-experts-invs/index.html
18 months seems very long off
No rush but if you come across another article I'd love to take a gander
Ok saw a bill gates quote that it could take 18 months
Keyword could
It sounds like 18 months is relatively optimistic, in large part because "Usually, you want to follow their immune response for at least a year," referring to tracking the response for people who get the test vaccine.
Obviously, getting a vaccine is the number one priority for pretty much the world right now, and if we put the world's resources into getting this done, maybe we can get it in 18 months or even sooner. Let's all hope.
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 01:10:56 PM
All i know is...self-isolating for a month is already testing the boundaries of my sanity. 18 months might as well be 18 years.
At least you'll finally have a good excuse for missing the tailgate.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 09, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
At least you'll finally have a good excuse for missing the tailgate.I'm looking forward to the tailgate being on Zoom this year.
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2020, 01:44:09 PM
I'm looking forward to the tailgate being on Zoom this year.
so is DJ Gooch
Post by: Heismanberg on April 09, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
so is DJ Gooch
lmao
I don't think he is a big fan of Zoom
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2020, 01:46:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
lmao
I don't think he is a big fan of Zoom
that's the best part
Post by: MBGreen on April 09, 2020, 01:56:25 PM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1248300443442298882?s=21
It's amazing how common sense eludes people. "Pandemic? freak that...i need to pray to hanukkah harry with 50 of my closest broskis"
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 02:05:56 PM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1248300443442298882?s=21
I kept waiting for that car to say "Please put down your weapon. You have twenty seconds to comply."
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1248300443442298882?s=21
Didn’t look like they were breaking anything up at all. Also that comment section...holy excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
Didn’t look like they were breaking anything up at all. Also that comment section...holy excrement.
Without looking, That guy I linked is Charlie Kirk tier
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 06:08:30 PM
Without looking, That guy I linked is Charlie Kirk tier
Ughhhhhh.
Post by: reuben on April 09, 2020, 10:14:15 PM
Mask Game: 100
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2020, 11:08:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 10, 2020, 09:57:00 AM
They need to have a smart phone app proving they tested negative to leave their houses in Wuhan
If there's a resurgence in China this excrement isn't leaving the USA until there's a cure vaccine or heard immunity from most people getting it. Panic levels would instantly blow away anything we've seen
There's just so much fucked up stuff with China atm. Their restrictions are insane and this corruption with them and the WHO is quite scary
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2020, 11:08:18 AM
Post by: Pope on April 10, 2020, 11:49:20 AM
Reading about the protocols in place in China are insane.What difference does it make, it’s already here
They need to have a smart phone app proving they tested negative to leave their houses in Wuhan
If there's a resurgence in China this excrement isn't leaving the USA until there's a cure vaccine or heard immunity from most people getting it. Panic levels would instantly blow away anything we've seen
There's just so much fucked up stuff with China atm. Their restrictions are insane and this corruption with them and the WHO is quite scary
Post by: dcm1602 on April 10, 2020, 12:01:53 PM
What difference does it make, it’s already here
Because it seems that as of this week everything is turning the corner. Numbers are improving in almost every metric, models are being revised much lower. People actually seem somewhat hopeful
If suddenly people realize that this shits going to be here to stay for the next year, that's a big change. I mean this shits been legit for what 6 weeks? What happens when people realize there's another 60 to go
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2020, 12:36:02 PM
Because it seems that as of this week everything is turning the corner. Numbers are improving in almost every metric, models are being revised much lower. People actually seem somewhat hopeful
If suddenly people realize that this shits going to be here to stay for the next year, that's a big change. I mean this shits been legit for what 6 weeks? What happens when people realize there's another 60 to go
There is another 60 to go at the very least.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 10, 2020, 12:45:35 PM
"With the progress of human civilization and the public's concern and preference for animal protection, dogs have evolved from traditional livestock to companion animals," said an accompanying explanation of the draft. "They are generally no longer regarded as livestock in the rest of the world. It is not advisable to list them under livestock or poultry in China."
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ukGm72ZLZvYfS/200.gif)
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 10, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Because it seems that as of this week everything is turning the corner. Numbers are improving in almost every metric, models are being revised much lower. People actually seem somewhat hopefulThe problem is there are a lot of stupid people in the world. Most intelligent people say, "People social distanced and the numbers have started to go down. Great!" But there are a lot of people who say, "See? I told you they were lying about this coronavirus nonsense, it's not that big of a deal - let's have an orgy."
If suddenly people realize that this shits going to be here to stay for the next year, that's a big change. I mean this shits been legit for what 6 weeks? What happens when people realize there's another 60 to go
Post by: dcm1602 on April 10, 2020, 05:47:19 PM
The problem is there are a lot of stupid people in the world. Most intelligent people say, "People social distanced and the numbers have started to go down. Great!" But there are a lot of people who say, "See? I told you they were lying about this coronavirus nonsense, it's not that big of a deal - let's have an orgy."
Well if you use a condom you won't get Corona so it's okay
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2020, 03:01:37 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/two-thirds-of-severe-covid-19-improved-on-gilead-s-remdesivir?srnd=premium&sref=yP39NlD2 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/two-thirds-of-severe-covid-19-improved-on-gilead-s-remdesivir?srnd=premium&sref=yP39NlD2)
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Two-Thirds of Severe Covid-19 Cases Improved on Gilead Drug
By Michelle Fay Cortez, Robert Langreth, and Jason Gale
April 10, 2020, 5:22 PM EDT Updated on April 10, 2020, 9:44 PM EDT
Patients got experimental drug on a compassionate use basis
Gilead Sciences Inc.’s experimental drug for patients with severe Covid-19 infections showed promise in an early analysis, raising tentative hope that the first treatment for the novel virus may be on the horizon.
The report published in the New England Journal of Medicine tracked 53 people in the U.S., Europe and Canada who needed respiratory support, with about half receiving mechanical ventilation and four on a heart-lung by-pass machine. Eight additional patients were left out of the analysis: one due to a dosing error and seven because no information was available on how they fared.
All received remdesivir for up to 10 days on a compassionate use basis, a program that allows people to use unapproved medicines when no other treatment options are available. Over 18 days, 68% of the patients improved, with 17 of the 30 patients on mechanical ventilation being able to get off the breathing device. Almost half of the patients studied were ultimately discharged, while 13% died. Mortality was highest among those who were on a ventilator, with 18% of them dying.
“We cannot draw definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalized patients who received remdesivir are hopeful,” said lead author Jonathan Grein, director of hospital epidemiology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, in a statement from Gilead. The Foster City, California-based company provided the medication and also helped analyze the results.
Several large scale clinical trials are underway to evaluate the benefit of remdesivir for Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus that has infected more than 1.65 million people worldwide and killed 100,000. One that was conducted in China could report results this month. Another, sponsored by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, has enrolled patients rapidly as the virus spread throughout the U.S. It could also report results in the coming weeks. Gilead itself is sponsoring an additional two trials.
‘Answers Are Needed’
“In studying remdesivir, the question is not just whether it is safe and effective against Covid-19, but in which patients it shows activity, how long should they receive treatment and at what stage of their disease would treatment be most beneficial,” said Daniel O’Day, Gilead’s chairman and chief executive officer. “Many answers are needed, which is why we need multiple types of studies involving many types of patients.”
Some of these answers will emerge in the coming weeks with the release of initial data from the various clinical trials, O’Day said Friday in an open letter sent via email.
There are currently no treatments proven to work specifically against the coronavirus infection. Gilead has provided the medicine to more than 1,800 patients on a compassionate use basis.
Cheap to Make
If it’s shown to be safe and effective for treating Covid-19, the medication is estimated to cost about $9 a treatment to make, said Andrew Hill, a senior visiting research fellow in the pharmacology department at Liverpool University, and colleagues in a study Friday.
As an intravenous infusion, there would be additional costs to administer remdesivir, which are likely to exceed the estimated manufacturing, the authors said.
Potential Coronavirus Drugs May Cost as Little as $1, Study Says
Results of controlled studies of remdesivir are highly anticipated because they will be some of the first rigorous large scale studies completed on potential anti-coronavirus drugs.
President Donald Trump and others have touted the potential of hydroxychloroquine, an old malaria and lupus drug, for treating Covid-19. But that drug hasn’t yet been carefully studied in a large trial to see if it prevents severe complications. Most of the excitement stems from relentless social media promotion of a tiny French study whose methodology has been heavily criticized by many U.S. medical experts.
Remdesivir, a broad-spectrum antiviral, is viewed by researchers and doctors as one of the most promising agents against Covid-19 to enter human trials to date. In lab studies conducted prior to the Covid-19 outbreak on numerous compounds, researchers at the University of North Carolina and Vanderbilt University found the drug had potent activity against against a wide variety of coronaviruses similar to the new coronavirus.
Tested for Ebola
Because it had already been tested in patients with Ebola, where it was shown to be safe but ineffective, researchers were able to quickly begin studying it human trials when the Covid-19 pandemic hit.
About one in four patients on the medicine experienced severe side effects, including multiple-organ dysfunction syndrome, septic shock, acute kidney injury and low blood pressure. Another 23% showed signs of liver damage on laboratory tests. Four patients had to stop receiving infusions of the drug entirely.
Remdesivir was considered to be the most promising therapeutic candidate based on its broad antiviral spectrum, and existing data based on human and animal studies, a World Health Organization panel said in January. The medication was developed initially for Ebola and studied in patients in Eastern Congo.
If it works well, one issue will be whether there is enough of a supply of the drug, especially if the epidemic is still raging. Gilead has been working all-out to bolster supply of the hard-to-make medicine. It said earlier this month that it hopes to to have 500,000 treatment courses by October, and more than 1 million by year-end. Production time has also been accelerated to six months from one year.
(Adds Gilead executive’s comments in sixth paragraph; estimated manufacturing cost in ninth.)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 11, 2020, 03:09:41 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/two-thirds-of-severe-covid-19-improved-on-gilead-s-remdesivir?srnd=premium&sref=yP39NlD2 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/two-thirds-of-severe-covid-19-improved-on-gilead-s-remdesivir?srnd=premium&sref=yP39NlD2)
I'm no statistician, but the data they provided is absolutely freaking meaningless. Not because of the sample size, but because there's no mention of the control group (outcomes for people who didn't take the drug)
Hell the article doesn't even mention if the intervention has statistical significance. It's possible that they left this all out because Bloomberg is a scientific publication and their readers don't give a excrement about that stuff. Or more likely it's just a puff piece knowing people are desperate to read everything coronavirus
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2020, 04:51:05 PM
Post by: reuben on April 11, 2020, 06:08:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8
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It scares me that there are people out there who would rather die from the virus than call it the wrong name.
Shut the freak up, Bill Maher.
Post by: klaximilian on April 11, 2020, 06:35:47 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8
When the freak did Bill Maher start making sense?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 11, 2020, 06:44:54 PM
2 men enter. Neither leaves.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2020, 07:11:09 PM
Shut the freak up, Bill Maher.
I don’t like Bill Maher in the slightest. I also don’t agree with what he said here, clearly part of his schtick.
But
Jan 31: Trump first imposes restrictions on travel from China, effective Feb 2
Feb 4: Pelosi-
“ So, that’s why we want people to come to Chinatown. Don’t be afraid. Enjoy it all. It’s beautiful and there are some good bargains here now, so it’s a good time to come. ”
“So, again, this fear is – I think – unwarranted in light of the precautions that are being taken here in the United States.”
Now, I’ve seen a lot of Trump’s comments from Jan/Feb about how Coronavirus wasnt a big deal, no cases yet, etc. turned against him. Rightfully so. He downplayed the story in an attempt to preserve the economy and his chances at reelection.
You can find comments identical to Pelosi’s from deBlasio and AOC around the same timeframe. They will NEVER be called for it. This pandering is in direct response to Trump’s “xEnOphObIa” and they’re now among the people bitching that he botched the handling of this situation. (He did. So did they.) Maher is a shithead and I don’t agree with his point, but
Post by: reuben on April 11, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
SoCal Crips Encourage Social Distancing
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2020, 12:00:13 AM
People are the real plague
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2020, 07:45:51 AM
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
You know the WHO is corrupt as freak when China starts defending them saying they did a good job
that's racist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rejects-who-chiefs-claim-of-campaign-against-him-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2020/04/09/ab1c8e8a-7a0e-11ea-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2020, 12:13:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 13, 2020, 01:26:10 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2020, 02:29:49 PM
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/drop-in-air-pollution-over-northeast
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/drop-in-air-pollution-over-northeast
I saw last week some Indians are seeing the Himalayas for the first time in decades.
Man is the plague.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2020, 11:31:07 PM
If only Americans stopped fighting with each other and realized who the biggest threat to their safety is
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2020, 06:50:59 AM
China:
https://twitter.com/demosisto/status/1248620700459356161?s=21
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 14, 2020, 10:27:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 10:30:36 AM
Not to defend China, but the vast majority of Covid-19 cases in NY were traced back to Europe.
Where'd the vast majority in Europe trace back to?
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 14, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Where'd the vast majority in Europe trace back to?
Who gives a excrement? While the orange idiot cried about closing doors to China and Mexico, white folks were exchanging their euros for dollars while dumbfoundingly staring at tall buildings and coughing on everyone.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 10:51:37 AM
Who gives a excrement? While the orange idiot cried about closing doors to China and Mexico, white folks were exchanging their euros for dollars while dumbfoundingly staring at tall buildings and coughing on everyone.
Nobody is denying Trump was/is an ignorant idiot and his decision making likely caused thousands more to die while having an increased economic impact on tens of thousands more.
But what China did was flat out freaking corrupt and evil and likely caused tens if not hundreds thousands more to die worldwide, while having an increased economic impact on hundreds of millions if not billions.
Trump was ignorant and incompetent, China was an evil ultra villian. Anyone who thinks Trump was a bigger problem than China with this whole thing is just as freaking delusional and ignorant as he is.
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2020, 10:52:24 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2020, 10:57:43 AM
Trump really fucked you guys over. I seriously hope your country takes notice and ousts his derriere in your next election.I don't see how anyone who isn't a Trumpy could stay home and not vote for Biden. Or a freaking potato with D next to it on the ballot, doesn't matter.
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
I don't see how anyone who isn't a Trumpy could stay home and not vote for Biden. Or a freaking potato with D next to it on the ballot, doesn't matter.
the guy is a walking Benny Hill sketch. It's frightening that he's the leader of the free world.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
Who gives a excrement? While the orange idiot cried about closing doors to China and Mexico, white folks were exchanging their euros for dollars while dumbfoundingly staring at tall buildings and coughing on everyone.
I am sorry, I am no a Trump fan but no one not a single soul except for the Chinese leadership knows how long that virus was spreading in China. They said it started in December, bullshit that means it really was spreading for months while they tried to wrap their heads around it, probably they noticed excrement going wrong in September-October maybe earlier.
Wuhan is 3 times the population of NYC. There were 100's of flights between November where those scumbags allowed unfettered travel all throughout the world, including JFK. But yeah Europe and Trump's a racist give me a break. He's a lot of things and could be racist, but banning flights from freaking China has nothing absolutely nothing with that bullshit.
All the people that rushed to cry racist should be punched in the face. Again, he handled this mess like one of us on the board, that it was no big deal, I thought that for a while and was wrong. We however are not running the country and didn't have advisers and intelligence reports about it. So we could afford to be laissez-faire. Trump couldn't.
That said this was going on for months before there was a warning from dead whistle blowers. Yeah he naturally looked at China and he wasn't freaking wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
the guy is a walking Benny Hill sketch. It's frightening that he's the leader of the free world.
He quite clearly has a character disorder. Nothing he does surprises me anymore. It's predictable.
M. Scott Peck was a famous psychiatrist and wrote "The Road Less Traveled". Probably the best book I ever read. He described an evil person as the following:
-is consistently self-deceiving, with the intent of avoiding guilt and maintaining a self-image of perfection
-deceives others as a consequence of their own self-deception
-projects his or her evils and sins onto very specific targets (scapegoats) while being apparently normal with everyone else
-commonly hates with the pretense of love, for the purposes of self-deception as much as deception of others
-abuses political (emotional) power ("the imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercion"
-maintains a high level of respectability, and lies incessantly to do so
-is consistent in his or her sins. Evil persons are characterized not so much by the magnitude of their sins, but by their consistency (of destructiveness)
-is unable to think from the viewpoint of their victim (scapegoating)
-has a covert intolerance to criticism and other forms of narcissistic injury
Sound familiar? He needs to go before he does more damage. He's bad enough as a father and husband. Being president is magnitudes worse.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 14, 2020, 12:39:34 PM
Post by: klaximilian on April 14, 2020, 12:42:24 PM
Checking in to see this thread is still a freaking absolute dumpster fire.
It is. Is it about Corona or Trump? Can't tell anymore...
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
Checking in to see this thread is still a freaking absolute dumpster fire.
It is. Is it about Corona or Trump? Can't tell anymore...Every corona thread on every site is a dumpster fire....it's amazing.
Everyone is testy over the quarantine, it really sucks.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 01:09:25 PM
excrement that keeps America running
Post by: Pope on April 14, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
I am sorry, I am no a Trump fan but no one not a single soul except for the Chinese leadership knows how long that virus was spreading in China. They said it started in December, bullshit that means it really was spreading for months while they tried to wrap their heads around it, probably they noticed excrement going wrong in September-October maybe earlier.One thing I’ve learned is that Alio is one step above retarded
Wuhan is 3 times the population of NYC. There were 100's of flights between November where those scumbags allowed unfettered travel all throughout the world, including JFK. But yeah Europe and Trump's a racist give me a break. He's a lot of things and could be racist, but banning flights from freaking China has nothing absolutely nothing with that bullshit.
All the people that rushed to cry racist should be punched in the face. Again, he handled this mess like one of us on the board, that it was no big deal, I thought that for a while and was wrong. We however are not running the country and didn't have advisers and intelligence reports about it. So we could afford to be laissez-faire. Trump couldn't.
That said this was going on for months before there was a warning from dead whistle blowers. Yeah he naturally looked at China and he wasn't freaking wrong.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Thank god for substance abuse
excrement that keeps America running
Thank me for my service.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2020, 02:03:51 PM
Not to defend China, but the vast majority of Covid-19 cases in NY were traced back to Europe.
Not to defend Europe, but almost all of the Covid-19 cases in CT are traced back to New York.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 02:27:12 PM
Not to defend Europe, but almost all of the Covid-19 cases in CT are traced back to New York.
freaking Cuomo
This is all his fault
Post by: ScotlandJet on April 14, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
Back here our PM has pulled through thank God and there seems to be a general feeling that we are approaching the peak of infection and deaths; I'm skeptical. The lock-down has been brutal but living in a fairly rural country certainly helps. I can get out every day and see nothing but empty fairways and beautiful countryside. Supermarkets have returned to near normal but shopping is policed rigorously.
I can't imagine living in New York City or even London.
The biggest problem we are all going to have is how to introduce an exit from this surreal existence back to normal life. If this is not handled properly we'll have another wave on our hands and that will be tragic.
The forecast for the economy is awful. How we get back on our feet after an event like this is anyone's guess.
Please stay safe guys.
Post by: ScotlandJet on April 14, 2020, 02:41:21 PM
Not to defend Europe, but almost all of the Covid-19 cases in CT are traced back to New York.
We were all sitting on our hands.
Two days before the lock down here in Scotland a soccer match was allowed to proceed with 10,000 brussel sprouts allowed in to Glasgow from, at the time, Leverkusen the most infected part of Germany. Madness!
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2020, 02:44:47 PM
Just checking in to see that you guys are still hanging in.Same to you. Hope the virus doesn't enter through the kilt.
Back here our PM has pulled through thank God and there seems to be a general feeling that we are approaching the peak of infection and deaths; I'm skeptical. The lock-down has been brutal but living in a fairly rural country certainly helps. I can get out every day and see nothing but empty fairways and beautiful countryside. Supermarkets have returned to near normal but shopping is policed rigorously.
I can't imagine living in New York City or even London.
The biggest problem we are all going to have is how to introduce an exit from this surreal existence back to normal life. If this is not handled properly we'll have another wave on our hands and that will be tragic.
The forecast for the economy is awful. How we get back on our feet after an event like this is anyone's guess.
Please stay safe guys.
Post by: ScotlandJet on April 14, 2020, 02:56:47 PM
Same to you. Hope the virus doesn't enter through the kilt.
[/quotSame to you. Hope the virus doesn't enter through the kilt.
It would turn back defeated at the sight of a weapon of mass destruction.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2020, 03:33:03 PM
It would turn back defeated at the sight of a weapon of mass destruction.
You better stop talking about your encounters in public restrooms.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2020, 03:35:15 PM
Just checking in to see that you guys are still hanging in.
Back here our PM has pulled through thank God and there seems to be a general feeling that we are approaching the peak of infection and deaths; I'm skeptical. The lock-down has been brutal but living in a fairly rural country certainly helps. I can get out every day and see nothing but empty fairways and beautiful countryside. Supermarkets have returned to near normal but shopping is policed rigorously.
I can't imagine living in New York City or even London.
The biggest problem we are all going to have is how to introduce an exit from this surreal existence back to normal life. If this is not handled properly we'll have another wave on our hands and that will be tragic.
The forecast for the economy is awful. How we get back on our feet after an event like this is anyone's guess.
Please stay safe guys.
Glad you're ok, I hope the same for your family.
Post by: Johnny English on April 14, 2020, 03:40:23 PM
It would turn back defeated at the sight of a weapon of mass destruction.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
I think that's quite a perspective change
Post by: Miamipuck on April 14, 2020, 04:08:18 PM
Interestingly I'm seeing for states that haven't felt the brunt of coronavirus yet, that because of social distancing they might not see their peek until July or August
I think that's quite a perspective change
The latest peaks that I saw for any state were early May.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/825479416/new-yorks-coronavirus-deaths-may-level-off-soon-when-might-your-state-s-peak (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/825479416/new-yorks-coronavirus-deaths-may-level-off-soon-when-might-your-state-s-peak)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 04:11:08 PM
The latest peaks that I saw for any state were early May.
Yeah I saw that too
Now they're saying because of social distancing being so successful its going to get pushed back towards the end of the summer
Kind of perplexing how you can go from April to May to July/August
Post by: Johnny English on April 14, 2020, 04:16:03 PM
Yeah I saw that too
Now they're saying because of social distancing being so successful its going to get pushed back towards the end of the summer
Kind of perplexing how you can go from April to May to July/August
That was kind of the point though, was it not? Slow down the spread so you don't have hospitals getting overwhelmed because everyone has it at once.
Post by: reuben on April 14, 2020, 04:16:28 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a71c5438f97ca9a13b7ff6363eb5da1/tenor.gif?itemid=11625919)
I always feel bad for that one guy who catches an arrow in his bare derriere.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2020, 04:36:24 PM
That was kind of the point though, was it not? Slow down the spread so you don't have hospitals getting overwhelmed because everyone has it at once.
Totally is the point
I just haven't seen anything report that it was working out even remotely like that
Post by: Heismanberg on April 14, 2020, 04:58:10 PM
Post by: delavan on April 14, 2020, 07:55:30 PM
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US gave $3.7 million to Wuhan laboratory for conducting experiments using virus from bats
National Institute of Health, among many other US institutes, to have partnered with Wuhan Institute of Virology
https://www.ibtimes.sg/us-gave-3-7-million-wuhan-laboratory-conducting-experiments-using-virus-bats-42890
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 01:55:48 AM
The San Francisco 49ers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/14/49ers-super-bowl-loss-may-have-prevented-coronavirus-disaster/amp/
Post by: bojanglesman on April 15, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Newsweek: Stimulus Checks May Be Delayed As Trump Requires U.S. Treasury to Print His Name on Them.
https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-may-delayed-trump-requires-us-treasury-print-his-name-them-1497916
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 06:45:08 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/coronavirus-study-warns-social-distancing-may-need-to-stay-until-2022.html
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In a study published in the journal Science on Tuesday, a team of epidemiologists at Harvard assessed what is known about Covid-19 and other coronaviruses to anticipate possible scenarios for the current global health crisis.
“Absent other interventions, a key metric for the success of social distancing is whether critical care capacities are exceeded,” they wrote in the report. “To avoid this, prolonged or intermittent social distancing may be necessary into 2022.”
“Even in the event of apparent elimination, SARS-CoV-2 surveillance should be maintained since a resurgence in contagion could be possible as late as 2024,” they wrote in the report.
It's not like they're from Yale though
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2020, 06:59:52 AM
Haha yikes
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/coronavirus-study-warns-social-distancing-may-need-to-stay-until-2022.html
It's not like they're from Yale though
Hey dcm you forgot to post the first sentence from your article:
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Researchers from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health have warned that, in the absence of a vaccine or an effective treatment to the coronavirus, social-distancing measures may be required through to 2022.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 07:02:02 AM
Hey dcm you forgot to post the first sentence from your article:
I mean I only read the key bullet points and then got bored
Post by: insanity on April 15, 2020, 07:17:44 AM
I mean I only read the key bullet points and then got boredAnd then decided to post the boring article.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 07:22:41 AM
And then decided to post the boring article.
It was so I could read the boring comments
Thank you
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2020, 07:39:04 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 15, 2020, 08:26:18 AM
Got my coronabux this morning, thank you President XiIt's not legal unless Trump signed your autodraft.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2020, 09:10:48 AM
https://thecity.nyc/2020/04/memo-ordering-nyc-schools-to-keep-covid-cases-quiet-probed.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
Nobody is denying Trump was/is an ignorant idiot and his decision making likely caused thousands more to die while having an increased economic impact on tens of thousands more.
But what China did was flat out freaking corrupt and evil and likely caused tens if not hundreds thousands more to die worldwide, while having an increased economic impact on hundreds of millions if not billions.
Trump was ignorant and incompetent, China was an evil ultra villian. Anyone who thinks Trump was a bigger problem than China with this whole thing is just as freaking delusional and ignorant as he is.
Again, I specifically said I didn't want to defend China. But everyone here loves their strawmen.
Trump was not incompetent nor was he ignorant. He had information, and he chose to ignore/downplay it. We are where we are today because our federal government, and specifically, it's top leader, suppressed information that could have prevented the crisis. Then later he used the same crisis as a springboard to soapbox his propaganda-style bullshit.
I don't see how anyone who isn't a Trumpy could stay home and not vote for Biden. Or a freaking potato with D next to it on the ballot, doesn't matter.
He's getting re-elected. People need to start accepting this. Even Bernie supporting Biden isn't going to be enough to get people to go to the polls.
Not to defend Europe, but almost all of the Covid-19 cases in CT are traced back to New York.
You're absolutely right, even if you didn't mean to be. You know what might have prevented that? An earlier lockdown, rather than the federal government trying to keep business running and lying about the threat.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2020, 10:17:32 AM
I regret to inform you evil China has infiltrated NYC schools and made them do this
https://thecity.nyc/2020/04/memo-ordering-nyc-schools-to-keep-covid-cases-quiet-probed.html
That's freaking awful.
Not shocking though. This is the same city that wouldn't close after Sandy, never shuts down for snow. Because people gotta get to work. No matter the human cost.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
That's freaking awful.
Not shocking though. This is the same city that wouldn't close after Sandy, never shuts down for snow. Because people gotta get to work. No matter the human cost.
Im not familiar with the publication but I'd wager they have an agenda.
For example they mention 50+ school staff died since coronavirus hit NYC when talking about schools closing too late. But I'd wager a guess that probably all of them got it after schools had already closed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2020, 02:00:06 PM
You're absolutely right, even if you didn't mean to be. You know what might have prevented that? An earlier lockdown, rather than the federal government trying to keep business running and lying about the threat.
As far as I can tell, that’s on the state governments. Just like Trump can’t force them to open shop, he couldn’t force them to close down either unless we’re talking Marsha Law.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 15, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
https://twitter.com/inthierry/status/1250416941560463360?s=21No way in the world that passes.
Post by: Johnny English on April 15, 2020, 02:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/inthierry/status/1250416941560463360?s=21
UBI is an awesome idea and should continue to happen post-pandemic. It's good for people and it's good for industry and it's good for the economy and it's good for people who want smaller government.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 02:46:41 PM
https://twitter.com/inthierry/status/1250416941560463360?s=21
I thought Bernie lost
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
Lmaooo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2020, 05:11:25 PM
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AAA on Monday announced that members who insure their vehicles through the Interinsurance Exchange of the Automobile Club and its affiliate insurers will receive premium refunds totaling $125 million.
Every policyholder with auto insurance in effect from March 16, 2020 to May 15, 2020 will receive a 20 percent policy refund check for this period, according to a AAA news release. Refund checks are expected to be mailed by the end of May. No action is required on the part of members.
I’ve seen a few other companies doing this - Allstate and State Farm- worth checking in on your policy.
Post by: Johnny English on April 15, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
I’ve seen a few other companies doing this - Allstate and State Farm- worth checking in on your policy.
No chance of this in Ontario. They'll probably increase our premiums to cover their increased costs for providing staff with homeworking capabilities. Auto insurance in this province is a freaking joke.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Bizarre trend in the misdt of a medical pandemic
Post by: reuben on April 16, 2020, 02:56:21 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 16, 2020, 04:31:21 AM
I’ve seen a few other companies doing this - Allstate and State Farm- worth checking in on your policy.
I work for Progrressive
Pretty much everyone is offering some type of credit to your premium
Our policy is anyone with an active policy by the end of April gets 20% credit to their monthly premium. Were doing it at the end of May as well and might even extend it further
With our current COVID 19 Lemiemcy policy , you'd pretty much have to cancel voluntarily to lose coverage
Were not canceling or non renewing anyone due to non payment for at least a month that might get extended I utbqs well . Most states are may 15th moratorium, but even that date was extended from April 25th to May 15th q week or two ago
I spend most of my time havinv to explain to ppl that their April credit gets applied first 2 weeks of May and same for may to June
Ppl see April and may credit and flip out that something approved on April 10th doesn't take effect immediately
Honestly I do qnything I can to help ppl and most people are very thankful and understanding.
For the record , Ptogrrssive handled COVID 19 better than our government lol
They had most ppl working from home or adequately distanced before most fed protocols went into place
Hell I was in training and set to get my insurance license and the state facilities closed the day before .
So technically I couldn't do the job I was hired for .
Instead of laying us off or furloughing until my license can be acquired , they honored everyone's employment, and just trained us for limited call types on customer service.
Theyve got 42k ppl working from home and it only took them a week to get over 15k additional work.units programmed and sent out.
Theyre letting employees access a portion of their end of year bonus early to help out . The 20% credit theyre offering will cost them over a billion dollars and they liquidated another billion to keep everyone on board during this whole thing
I've worked fir fortune 500 companies before but not one that actually puts their "core values" at the front of how they actually operate
I'm drinking the Kool aid and plan on retiring with them at this point .
Amazing company . Great leadership. Even our CEO who brought us from roughly 11 billion to 42 billion in just about 8 years. Only female CEO of a Fortune 100 company and she started as a claims adjuster herself
Caps her own salary and bonuses.
All i can say is , after working for quite a few large companies and seeing how most executives handle themselves, my job is a lot easier when I know my company is built to last and actually cares about employees and customers
I've worked 2 jobs 7 days a week for over a year now and they're both essential. Hopefully I'll be moving up once I get some tenure so I can actually have days off again lol
I just need April 23rd to hit . My wife knows its Christmas 2: Electric Boogaloo in my house
Post by: Coach K on April 16, 2020, 04:42:06 AM
The 2400 basically buys me and my wife a month of mortgage and most utilities
I can keep us afloat for may and maybe June
But my wife was about 55 to 60% of household income . She's worked since 15 never accepted assistance but now getting denied for unemployment lol
Ppl wonder why others hate paying into programs that don't do excrement for you when you need it . Well there you go
Some dumbasses are sitting around assuming they just automatically get that unemployment bonus . That still has to be issued from the feds and then dispersed amongst the state level and their labor bureaus.
Theres some ppl out here assuming they'll make more unemployed than their prior job. They're in for a rude awakening the next 90 days
Actually having to rely on governing efficiency just reiterates how broken our system really is lol
Got the mrs doing instacart until things hopefully open back up
I hope everyone is doing well and trying to maintain .
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2020, 11:34:04 AM
Im not familiar with the publication but I'd wager they have an agenda.
For example they mention 50+ school staff died since coronavirus hit NYC when talking about schools closing too late. But I'd wager a guess that probably all of them got it after schools had already closed
You can't possibly be serious, can you?
As far as I can tell, that’s on the state governments. Just like Trump can’t force them to open shop, he couldn’t force them to close down either unless we’re talking Marsha Law.
Absolutely. But the states were working from the information they were being fed by the federal government; the people with the resources like the CDC, NIH, and the intelligence agencies at their disposal for information.
The federal government misled everyone for at least 2 months before the problem became undeniable. Should governors have shut their states down earlier? Yes. California is an example of being smarter, but even they were late--again, because everyone was misled.
BTW, Marsha Law only served to pee off Jan.
No way in the world that passes.
Absolutely none.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 16, 2020, 12:17:16 PM
You can't possibly be serious, can you?
I don't see what the issue is
When NYC closed all public schools (March 16th) only 88 people in the entire United States had died from Coronavirus.
Obviously things have changed dramatically since then, but I would think it's fairly unlikely that most school staff had died from school related infections.
Post by: Johnny English on April 16, 2020, 12:22:49 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 16, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
I don't see what the issue is
When NYC closed all public schools (March 16th) only 88 people in the entire United States had died from Coronavirus.
Obviously things have changed dramatically since then, but I would think it's fairly unlikely that most school staff had died from school related infections.
You're aware that deaths are a serious lagging indicator like 2 or 3 weeks plus? There's no way to tell how they caught it.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 16, 2020, 12:39:12 PM
You're aware that deaths are a serious lagging indicator like 2 or 3 weeks plus? There's no way to tell how they caught it.
Completely true. But again we were at like 2800 deaths by the end of March for the whole country.So I don't like Deblasio at all, but I'm not sure how much further back you'd have like all schools to have gotten closed. Americans have been extremely nonchalant about this thing, so you'd almost certainly have outrage from parents had schools closed two weeks earlier
Post by: MBGreen on April 16, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 16, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
They will get wrecked again next month.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 16, 2020, 08:14:45 PM
Louisiana is doing "safe shopping" at non-essential businesses.
They will get wrecked again next month.
Northern Japan was just in the news for trying something similar (I believe they got hit hardest in February?) trying to slowly reopen the economy.
They had to declare a second state of emergency and shut everything down again
Post by: Heismanberg on April 16, 2020, 11:38:24 PM
Hopefully this is the first and last person that I know that's affected by this.
This really freaking sucks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 16, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 17, 2020, 04:02:11 AM
Wuhan revised its numbers and found its death toll 50% higher. But provided 4 reasons as to why the numbers were off so much
(the new numbers are almost certainly still bullshit)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 17, 2020, 04:03:21 AM
Got a text tonight that a guy that coached offensive line for me in Louisiana died from COVID. 39 years old with a 10 year old son and a baby on the way.
Hopefully this is the first and last person that I know that's affected by this.
This really freaking sucks.
freaking horrible to see so many young people effected. I mean it's terrible all around, but that shits just so much worse. Sorry man
Post by: delavan on April 17, 2020, 06:38:17 AM
Got a text tonight that a guy that coached offensive line for me in Louisiana died from COVID. 39 years old with a 10 year old son and a baby on the way.Horrible; sorry for you.
Hopefully this is the first and last person that I know that's affected by this.
This really freaking sucks.
Post by: klaximilian on April 17, 2020, 08:58:15 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-business-relief-paycheck-protection-program-is-out-of-money
Horrible time for small businesses. Communities have been really good at supporting the small businesses through this difficult time, but there’s only so much they can do.
California is still scrambling to even let their small businesses apply for unemployment. I’m hearing it won’t happen until until April 28, and then it’s the waiting game to receive any funds. This state is a goddamn mess...
Post by: klaximilian on April 17, 2020, 08:58:45 AM
Got a text tonight that a guy that coached offensive line for me in Louisiana died from COVID. 39 years old with a 10 year old son and a baby on the way.
Hopefully this is the first and last person that I know that's affected by this.
This really freaking sucks.
Sorry for your loss.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 17, 2020, 07:40:36 PM
Phew that's a huge relief. China says that there's no cover up by the Chinese government because cover ups aren't allowed by the government.
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BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Friday there has never been a cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in China and the government does not allow any cover-ups.
Zhao told reporters at a daily briefing that the revision of the case toll in Wuhan, where the epidemic first emerged in late 2019, was the result of a statistical verification to ensure accuracy and that revision is a common international practice.
Wuhan’s health authority earlier on Thursday revised up its cumulative death toll by 50% to 3,869 to rectify what it called incorrect reporting, delays and omissions.
Some, including U.S. President Donald Trump, have openly questioned the accuracy of China’s disclosures regarding the scale of the epidemic in the country.
Post by: guinness77 on April 17, 2020, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 17, 2020, 08:59:35 PM
People are actually protesting against stay-at-home?? This idiotic country deserves whatever it gets.
Trumps very much stirring the freaking pot with his encouraging people to liberate their states.
I just can't fathom the sheer stupidity
Though people on the left are just as guilty of this breaking quarantine bullshit. They just don't have a dumbass to rally behind
Post by: MBGreen on April 18, 2020, 06:47:42 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 18, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200418/a75170a521ee9c00f6815a6c41a3409e.jpg)
My assumption would be that there's either multiple strains (which has been suggested many times that there's at least 2 or 3 main ones) or that people aren't developing immunity
But I guess the question is how long between tests, and did they have a negative test inbetween?
One thing from my hosptial is a fair amount of patients come back negative because the sample they took weren't properly done. Apparently the throat swabs need to go deeper down then typical ones so there's a tremendous amount of testing error (and the issue is more specifically user error not a faulty test)
But the the other issue is because of the nature of this there's no standard test, so you literally have hundreds of thousands if not millions of organizations world wide all utilizing a different process so how the freak do you compare data?
I know the institution I work for literally invented their own test so that's a perfect example.
Post by: MBGreen on April 18, 2020, 07:41:08 AM
My assumption would be that there's either multiple strains (which has been suggested many times that there's at least 2 or 3 main ones) or that people aren't developing immunityYou guys really need your orange antichrist to start getting with the program instead of focusing all his effort into reopening everything.....before he wipes out more innocent lives.
But I guess the question is how long between tests, and did they have a negative test inbetween?
One thing from my hosptial is a fair amount of patients come back negative because the sample they took weren't properly done. Apparently the throat swabs need to go deeper down then typical ones so there's a tremendous amount of testing error (and the issue is more specifically user error not a faulty test)
But the the other issue is because of the nature of this there's no standard test, so you literally have hundreds of thousands if not millions of organizations world wide all utilizing a different process so how the freak do you compare data?
I know the institution I work for literally invented their own test so that's a perfect example.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 18, 2020, 08:17:37 AM
You guys really need your orange antichrist to start getting with the program instead of focusing all his effort into reopening everything.....before he wipes out more innocent lives.It's not going to happen. He can't admit being wrong about anything. If it blows up again, he'll blame the states. Always blame someone else, never accept it. Same pattern. Nothing can be done until November. Who knows then. Hopefully Old Man Hairsniffer can pull off an upset so we can coast for 4 years until something better comes along.
Post by: MBGreen on April 18, 2020, 08:27:54 AM
It's not going to happen. He can't admit being wrong about anything. If it blows up again, he'll blame the states. Always blame someone else, never accept it. Same pattern. Nothing can be done until November. Who knows then. Hopefully Old Man Hairsniffer can pull off an upset so we can coast for 4 years until something better comes along.Maybe you and your fam should move to Manitoba...I can pull some strings
Post by: Pope on April 18, 2020, 08:42:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 18, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Theoretical question here: what if there is no immunity to the virus and a vaccine is determined not to be possible. What does the world do?Probably die
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 18, 2020, 08:58:12 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 18, 2020, 10:20:56 AM
Theoretical question here: what if there is no immunity to the virus and a vaccine is determined not to be possible. What does the world do?Invest in pornhub
Post by: dcm1602 on April 18, 2020, 01:25:49 PM
Theoretical question here: what if there is no immunity to the virus and a vaccine is determined not to be possible. What does the world do?
Probably instill some crazy draconian restrictions on travel and movement until the disease just dies out
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2020, 05:45:10 PM
There's just so much stupid on display here I can't even get a grip on it.
It's unwillingly that we're taking unemployment!" Nope. No it isn't.
"We're tired of not being able to go to the hairdressers, get our hair done."
freaking moronavirus.
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2020, 05:47:17 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 18, 2020, 06:04:07 PM
Post by: Pope on April 18, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 18, 2020, 06:19:06 PM
freaking moronavirus.
Did you come up with that? Because it's excellent.
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2020, 06:22:08 PM
Did you come up with that? Because it's excellent.
I nicked it from someone, can't remember where.
Post by: insanity on April 18, 2020, 07:24:34 PM
https://youtu.be/4b6GvszlkR0 (https://youtu.be/4b6GvszlkR0)
There's just so much stupid on display here I can't even get a grip on it.
It's unwillingly that we're taking unemployment!" Nope. No it isn't.
"We're tired of not being able to go to the hairdressers, get our hair done."
freaking moronavirus.
This is what happens when you dont educate your population
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 18, 2020, 08:14:56 PM
https://youtu.be/--Y-Okyuki0?t=414
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2020, 10:19:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 18, 2020, 11:47:44 PM
This is what happens when you dont educate your population
I don't have or know numbers at all. But I'm willing to bet we spend more per person on education than the majority if not all other countries. And I don't mean private schools expensive bullshit, but all around.
Education culture in the United States is the biggest freaking obstacle imo. Plus lazy entitlement, and the biggest issues happen before college
Post by: Miamipuck on April 19, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 19, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
This is a little old but it's still pretty pathetic. (https://twitter.com/AMErikaNGIRLLL/status/1251605351604129792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251605351604129792&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231251605351604129792)
The clips cut but what a shitty freaking response
Post by: Pope on April 19, 2020, 03:45:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 19, 2020, 04:55:07 PM
Post by: insanity on April 19, 2020, 07:47:01 PM
Can we chalk this up to sports fans needing something to chant about?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 19, 2020, 07:53:46 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mannyNYT/status/1251564861257113602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-6216659141838931390.ampproject.net%2F2004030010070%2Fframe.html
Can we chalk this up to sports fans needing something to chant about?
No, we can chalk that up to Texas being packed with a bunch of mouthbreathers.
Everyone smart in Austin is inside. There's no one outside to tell these idiots to shut the hell up.
Post by: insanity on April 19, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
No, we can chalk that up to Texas being packed with a bunch of mouthbreathers.I'm very indecisive right now between wanting this to be over and wanting it to spread to some of these red states where people are saying this is a hoax. I saw a sign of a girl who I could only imagine was anti abortion holding a sign that said my body my rights.
Everyone smart in Austin is inside. There's no one outside to tell these idiots to shut the hell up.
I know its fucked up but people need to learn what is and isnt fake news
Post by: Heismanberg on April 19, 2020, 08:13:42 PM
I'm very indecisive right now between wanting this to be over and wanting it to spread to some of these red states where people are saying this is a hoax. I saw a sign of a girl who I could only imagine was anti abortion holding a sign that said my body my rights.
I know its fucked up but people need to learn what is and isnt fake news
I would feel that way if only they could get it, but unfortunately everyone has to suffer because of these morons.
Ironically, the last three states that I've lived in have been handling this the worst: South Carolina, Louisiana, and Texas.
Fortunately, these protesters here in Austin are likely from elsewhere. We are a blue blip in a very, very red state. I think this city has handled the shelter-in-place very well, and I expect it to stay that way.
Post by: reuben on April 19, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
I'm very indecisive right now between wanting this to be over and wanting it to spread to some of these red states where people are saying this is a hoax. I saw a sign of a girl who I could only imagine was anti abortion holding a sign that said my body my rights.
I know its fucked up but people need to learn what is and isnt fake news
I was hoping that the silver lining to this whole mess would be a return to trusting science and scientists. Seeing these people demand the firing of someone who's well past retirement age working his derriere off to save their lives is so disheartening. We're going to cook this planet and curse the scientists while we burn.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 19, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
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As the ranks of Covid-19 survivors swell, scientists are racing to understand how well they resist reinfection—and just how long that hard-won immunity might last.
So far, most medical researchers who have studied coronaviruses related to the pathogen that causes Covid-19—including SARS, MERS and the common cold—are confident that people who do recover gain some immunity to SARS-CoV-2, based on preliminary studies and case reports of the new virus. They don’t know yet whether that protection will last a few months, a few years or a lifetime.
Lengths of Resistance
Average amount of time that people retain immunity to selected viral diseases
LENGTH OF
IMMUNITY
ILLNESS
VIRUS
Covid-19
SARS-CoV-2
Unknown
CORONAVIRUSES
Common cold
HCV-229E
6 months
Severe acute
respiratory
syndrome
SARS-CoV
24 months
Middle Eastern
respiratory
syndrome
MERS-CoV
34 months
OTHERS
Flu
Influenza A
6 months
Measles
Rubeola
Lifelong
Sources: Nextstrain; Epidemiology & Infection;
Emerging Infectious Diseases Journal of
Medical Virology
“The arguments are that a protective response to SARS-CoV-2 will last somewhere between 6 months and 60 years,” said Martin Hibberd, a specialist in emerging infectious diseases at the U.K.’s London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
Any time the immune system encounters a new virus, it tailors a custom defense by orchestrating a system of cells, organ and tissues. The strength and longevity of those defenses are affected by heredity, sleep, diet, stress and hygiene, to name a few factors, medical experts say. All play into the levels of protective antibodies a patient can produce to ward off infection—and under the right circumstances, that immunity could last a lifetime.
Under its own pressure to survive, some pathogens can evade those immune responses by gradually mutating until they are unrecognizable. Infection by the virus that causes measles confers lifelong immunity, for instance, while the influenza virus mutates so rapidly that new infectious strains of flu emerge almost every year.
SARS-CoV-2 has a mutation rate of less than 25 mutations per year, compared with influenza’s mutation rate of almost 50 mutations per year, according to an analysis by computational biologists of the Nextstrain consortium, based at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle and the University of Basel in Switzerland. That gives researchers hope that any natural immunity or vaccine would offer more lasting protection, said Pamela Bjorkman, a virologist at the California Institute of Technology who studies viruses that cause AIDS, influenza and Zika.
The SARS-CoV-2 virus is so new that the earliest evidence of any long-term immune response comes not from human patients, but from an experiment with a pair of monkeys
Why Blood From Coronavirus Survivors Could Be a Lifeline for the Sick
A growing number of hospitals are investigating antibody testing and blood plasma therapy as a way to combat the new coronavirus in sick patients.
In March, researchers at the Beijing Key Laboratory for Animal Models of Emerging and Reemerging Infectious Disease reported that they had infected two rhesus macaque monkeys, allowed them to recover and then tried to reinfect them with the virus 30 days later. The animals didn’t become sick again, according to their preliminary report.
Now researchers world-wide are racing to determine the levels of antibodies required to generate protective immunity against SARS-CoV-2, whether the severity of an infection affects the strength of that immunity, and how long the immune system may retain its defenses against Covid-19.
TESTS ON CORONAVIRUS SURVIVORS
As a first step, independent research teams in the U.S. and Europe who tested the blood samples from patients with Covid-19 showed that the immune system does produce protective antibodies against the coronavirus from two to 15 days after symptoms appear.
“What we certainly know is that a good proportion of people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 make relatively decent antibody responses and that these antibodies are effective,” said virologist Florian Krammer at New York’s Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who helped develop an antibody test for Covid-19. “What we don’t know is how long it will be protective. The assumption is that the immunity is not as long-lived as with other viruses.”
Even if immunity turns out to be temporary, however, the second illness might be milder than the first, Dr. Krammer said.
As they struggle with the nuances of immunity, medical experts are troubled by reports of people who appeared to recover from Covid-19, test free of the coronavirus, and then sicken again. South Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it is investigating 160 cases, worried that the virus may reactivate to cause relapses or reinfections.
Medical researchers suspect these cases arise from problems with the diagnostic PCR genetic test for the virus. In later stages of the disease, the virus settles into the lungs where it can elude detection. Researchers at the Chengdu Medical College in Sichuan, China, last week reported a case in which a patient with severe symptoms of Covid-19 tested negative for the virus eight times before a positive result. Even a positive result, though, can be misleading because the test might detect only harmless viral fragments, not the fully functional contagion.
“As long as you are mounting a strong immune response, you should not be reinfected right away,” said molecular virologist Rebecca Dutch at the University of Kentucky, who is a former president of the American Society of Virology. “The most likely explanation is that they never cleared the virus in the first place.”
From the outset, the effort to understand how the body marshals its defenses against SARS-CoV-2 has been hampered by the paucity of previous research on coronaviruses, scientists said.
Funding for basic research on closely related pathogens, such as the SARS and MERS coronaviruses, dried up after earlier outbreaks were contained, said Northwestern University microbiologist Karla Satchell, who is co-director of the Center for Structural Genomics of Infectious Diseases, a consortium of seven universities that is analyzing the coronavirus.
In fact, little is known reliably about the risk of re-infection by the coronaviruses that cause SARS, which first emerged in 2002, or MERS, which was first detected in 2012, several infectious-disease experts said.
When researchers in South Korea spot-checked 11 patients who had contracted the MERS-CoV coronavirus in 2015, they found that levels of protective antibodies were still high two years after the patients recovered. And several studies of people who contracted the SARS coronavirus also suggested that antibodies might last two years or so before waning; one unconfirmed case report suggested that levels might still be high as long as 17 years later.
In either case, no one knows if the antibodies were sufficient to prevent reinfection.
Write to Robert Lee Hotz at sciencejournal@wsj.com
Corrections & Amplifications
SARS-CoV-2 causes Covid-19. An earlier version of the chart accompanying this article incorrectly said it caused the flu. (Corrected on April 19)
Post by: Pope on April 19, 2020, 09:09:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2020, 12:13:21 AM
If by May 31 were all still sitting inside I declare on June 1 everyone is forcefully given Coronavirus and we let nature handle the rest.
The strategy I've seen for some European countries makes most sense to me. Soon as hospitals and stuff aren't swamped and recovered, you send the young people all back to work first (since they're most likely to survive and break curfew anyway) then soon after expand it.
This way you get herd immunity (ideally) while killing the least amount of people and don't overwhelm healthcare resources
Post by: guinness77 on April 20, 2020, 12:09:54 PM
What a country I live in.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 20, 2020, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: guinness77 on April 20, 2020, 01:46:01 PM
I wish Coronavirus killed by IQ, the lower the more dangerous it is. Wipe out those idiots that are dumber than plant life.This one just takes the cake for me. Shouting at a nurse or a doctor to go to China. I’m embarrassed to be from the same country as these people.
Post by: reuben on April 20, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEGN-WQeJ6h4vMfYxaYPWzY4qGQgEKhAIACoHCAowvIaCCzDnxf4CMN2F8gU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
What a country I live in.
The fact that she's screaming about China and the obvious visual parallel makes me think of Tank Man. Just a heroic everyman taking a stand against the biggest threat to his country's people: in China, the government and its tanks; in America, freaking idiot rednecks and their Dodges.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 21, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
And oil contracts are selling for negative prices.
I think the economic implications of this virus could end up way worse than imagined
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2020, 09:21:17 AM
Apparently coronavirus has absolutely annihalted the oil market like never in existence
And oil contracts are selling for negative prices.
I think the economic implications of this virus could end up way worse than imagined
Alberta's oil industry has been on life support for years anyway, if this finally turns the machine off for them then it will be a tough transition for the next few years but one they've needed to make for a long time. I'm not about to start shedding tears for the oil industry.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 21, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Alberta's oil industry has been on life support for years anyway, if this finally turns the machine off for them then it will be a tough transition for the next few years but one they've needed to make for a long time. I'm not about to start shedding tears for the oil industry.It sucks for the employees, don't care about the companies.
This would be a great time for renewables to take off, either with new companies or the oil and gas companies converting to "energy" companies, or both.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 21, 2020, 10:48:57 AM
I’m all on board for the army force-marching these white assholes to the middle of a lean-to reservation to let them contaminate each other in peace and leave the rest of the world the freak alone.
Half of this excrement is just an excuse to let the gun nuts and increase their visibility. Just imagine if these protesters were black.
freaking third world country in a Gucci belt is looking more and more accurate every day.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 21, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
It sucks for the employees, don't care about the companies.
This would be a great time for renewables to take off, either with new companies or the oil and gas companies converting to "energy" companies, or both.
All the major oil companies hold enough patents to do it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 21, 2020, 10:55:47 AM
All the major oil companies hold enough patents to do it.I really don't know enough about that industry, it just seems like a golden opportunity. Oil is excrement, why spend money propping it up when you can spend money replacing it with something better.
I know we will bail out the oil industry anyway, but a guy can dream.
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2020, 11:02:33 AM
I really don't know enough about that industry, it just seems like a golden opportunity. Oil is excrement, why spend money propping it up when you can spend money replacing it with something better.
I know we will bail out the oil industry anyway, but a guy can dream.
I think a number have been trying to go that way for a while, but oil is a mighty lucrative teat to wean yourself off.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 21, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 21, 2020, 11:53:31 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/
Post by: reuben on April 21, 2020, 02:58:30 PM
I would bet all my money that if these tacticool faggots ever got in a firefight, they would excrement themselves and run away crying.
Can you imagine what would have happened if protesters showed up to BLM demonstrations like this. All my money again that these doofs think taking a knee during a song is inappropriate activism.
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2020, 03:10:08 PM
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This isn't conspiracy theory land, this is paid political advocacy driving these unsafe, "astroturf " protests.
If you're on the conservative spectrum in a swing state you are being manipulated by OneClickPolitics and Ujoin - two advertising agencies that have been identified as the source of the "reopen" campaigns.
To be clear, these are paid political efforts designed to out people in danger by violating the quarantine efforts to benefit Donald Trump and his party in the coming election.
They are encouraging innocent people fall for their campaign and risk death and Illness.
Details:This isn't any conspiracy, it's just good old fashioned American business. There are indeed two campaigns:
* One using [OneClickPolitics](https://oneclickpolitics.com/):
**PA, WI, OH, MN, IA** - OCP's branding is displayed proudly all over these sites, just look at the source and the stunningly obvious "contact your legislator" custom site widget. Seems to use uniform CMS. Ohio is *not an outlier* - they just altered their CMS presentation.
* One using [UJOIN](https://ujoin.co/):
**MD, NC, NJ** - these were harder to ferret out, but they all use similar formats & different CMS They try to link directly to CHANGE.ORG, and up their "blog" when data can't be autofilled. These "blogs" cross link with one-another. These sites seem to have a hard time dealing with privacy extensions, unlike OneClickPolitics.
* Unknown data collection/provenance:
**OK** (OCOPA is a real but intensely partisan think tank, the reopenok site is, however, very new and looks to be aping the other sites instead of relying any CMS), **WA** (this is a true enigma - if someone really wanted their sites to be "grassroots" looking they would all look like they were designed by script kiddies that time-traveled from 1998). Hilariously, whatever software they are using in WA links directly to [this reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/…/i_simply_cannot_believe_…/fnstpyl/…) as part of their "truth news feed" - so it's not hand-curated.
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I encourage you to read and examine the sites, mission statements, and services offered by One Click Politics, and UJOIN. They go out of their way to expound that they are masters at pretending to be grass-roots movements that can conjure up seemingly organic support at the drop of a check.
To quote [OCP](https://oneclickpolitics.com/):
>Are you launching a new coalition or association and need more members now? Want 10,000 signatures for your petition from residents of a certain state? Are you battling a legislative issue in a location where you don't have enough advocates, who are constituents of the legislators you are attempting to influence? Or would you like to impress your boss by reporting a 15% growth in membership in less than 90 days? If your answer is yes, keep reading!
>OneClick Acquisition is your solution for generating immediate legislative actions from new supporters within mere days. We deliver “on demand, organic supporters” through our proprietary digital ad placement technology.
So again, not a conspiracy - but definitely astroturfing. The real question though, isn't who is doing this. It's can they be definitively financially linked to these two professional astroturfing firms?
(probably not)
Both firms tout their ability to cycle news stories, facebook posts, twitter rampages, and texting so as to appear "grassroots" and not seem as if they are disseminating copy-pasted material.
And yes, there are many, many more professional astroturfing firms out there, willing to take whatever check comes across their desk in order to influence public opinion and legislation.
I suggest that if any of you want to stick it to OCP and UJOIN, take screenshots of their bogus sites, so that they'll have to diversify their tactics in the future.
In conclusion, this isn't something necessarily coming from ESLEWHERE. It's a critical flaw in our political system. Private corporations can legally masquerade as normal citizens who are concerned about their "constitutional rights" being infringed upon by <fill in the blank> and you don't know who wrote the check.
Here's the thing: people on both sides of the aisle are going to be screwed by these so-called protests. People are going to **die** if this takes hold. This isn't a right vs left thing. This is a normal people vs big-data-government-lobbyist thing. Even your racist uncle who may have gone to one of these protests may be hurt by this. It's not you (if you disagree with him) vs him, or you vs his political views. It's normal people vs THEM.
THEM isn't your governor, or your representative or senator. THEM is whoever hired these ghouls. Also these ghouls themselves.
Wash your hands, wear a facemask, and P.S.:
https://i.imgur.com/BBb1ngJ.jpg
EDIT: I would be remiss if I did not take the time before logging out to mention that the states targeted by OCP - pennsylvania, wisconson, iowa, minnesota, and ohio are presidential election swing states. Make of that what you will.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 21, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
Taken from an SEO/digital marketing expert I know on Facebook. I doubt that they wrote it, or at least not on FB, as it appears to use Reddit's version of markup, but it seems pretty legit and is sourced:
While this is seemingly possible
People that hate Trump are rallying against quarantine too. Some of the most liberal anti Trump people I know have absolutely had it with quarantine and the government. And these are people living in NY (who don't work in Healthcare as these people basically universally want people to stay the freak home)
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2020, 04:23:04 PM
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Governor Brian P. Kemp @GovKemp
Apr 20
Due to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations. #gapol
Interesting take on this move by the Governor of Georgia:
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You really want to know what I think about rescinding shelter in place in the way this order is structured?
It's about making sure people can't file unemployment. It isn't about saving lives, certainly. It's not about the peak of the curve. I think lots of people are going to ignore the governor and stay home regardless. This isn't a decision being driven by epidemiology. It's the rawest and most lethal of political decisions, and it will kill people.
Kemp is looking forward to the fiscal discussion in 2021 and 2022, when all of this really starts to hit. He got elected by out-yahooing the field. His base has been trained to view government spending as a crime, and he knows that he becomes politically vulnerable to an attack if he raises taxes. He is not capable of delivering a nuanced message around necessity, because his base doesn't know how to hear it.
The state is staring at one million unemployment applications. It probably cannot pay those over six months. The unemployment fund has a reserve of about $2.6 billion. Last week it paid out about $42 million -- which is about three times as much as it usually does. That figure will double in two weeks, give or take. Maybe more.
At that rate, the fund is empty in about 28 weeks. Probably less. Even if things improve later, that fund will run dry in a year, because unemployment isn't going to return to 5 percent for a long time.
Georgians did the Kansas thing a couple of years ago and instituted a hard constitutional limit on income taxes of 6 percent. It cannot go higher without amending the state constitution. What that means is that there's no easy mechanism for the state to accommodate an extraordinary expense, like this, without somehow telling Republican reactionaries that they must raise taxes.
Those reactionaries are the ones who will be protesting in front of the state house Friday, when this order goes into effect.
If there's no state order calling for businesses to be closed, the people who are unemployed can no longer claim that their unemployment is involuntary, even if it would be utter idiocy for them to return to work. A hair dresser or a massage therapist cannot maintain social distance. But they can certainly file for relief ... unless the law says they can work.
"Gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists."
Not banks. Not software firms. Not factories. Not schools.
It is no coincidence that the businesses on this list are staffed by relatively poor people. Because that's who he wants off the unemployment rolls. And if they die ... well, they're mostly black people, or Asian, and poor, and an acceptable political loss for a Republican governor.
The purpose of this isn't to open up these businesses. It's to get the workers there off the dole. Work, and die. Or don't work ... but you're on your own. Because we can't raise taxes to cover the time you spent trying to save your life and the lives of the people around you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 21, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1252710717263941632?s=21
Post by: reuben on April 21, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
Interesting take on this move by the Governor of Georgia:QuoteDue to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists
That's the most frivolous freaking list I can imagine. This is a list of most important businesses made by a pimp who enjoys bowling.
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2020, 05:24:33 PM
That's the most frivolous freaking list I can imagine. This is a list of most important businesses made by a pimp who enjoys bowling.
Indeed. Hence the idea that the purpose is to get poor people off unemployment regardless of the likely risk to them and the wider community.
The one thing I do take issue with in the post I quoted was the suggestion that he's not re-opening banks or software companies or factories. Banks and software companies have largely gone on unaffected as their ability to WFH is fairly extensive, and many factories have been classified as essential businesses and thus continued working. There's no reason to announce their re-opening if they haven't closed in the first place.
It's just freaking stupid to re-open the things he listed.
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 21, 2020, 07:31:54 PM
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 08:04:32 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
Thinking more about this, I think the most logical avenue on this is that they are low wage gig jobs that are currently collecting unemployment. By putting them back to work it lightens the unemployment loan burden while ensuring/hoping the employees and businesses practice safe standards
It's almost like you completely ignored the post I quoted.
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 08:26:20 PM
It's almost like you completely ignored the post I quoted.Yeah I ignored the blatantly political/racist slant which everything has to become these days
IT WILL KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!
Post by: dcm1602 on April 21, 2020, 09:38:04 PM
Indeed. Hence the idea that the purpose is to get poor people off unemployment regardless of the likely risk to them and the wider community.
The one thing I do take issue with in the post I quoted was the suggestion that he's not re-opening banks or software companies or factories. Banks and software companies have largely gone on unaffected as their ability to WFH is fairly extensive, and many factories have been classified as essential businesses and thus continued working. There's no reason to announce their re-opening if they haven't closed in the first place.
It's just freaking stupid to re-open the things he listed.
I find it hard to imagine that a government who is spending obscene amounts of money on socialized bullshit is scheming to save a few bucks by opening businesses.
This is the most freaking stupid hot take.
I think far more likely Trump (& Co) are trying to trivialize the pandemic making it seem like it's over, and going with the populist opinion of people want to get the freak out of their houses.
Winning in November is far more important than saving a few dollars and screwing the poor people.
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 09:45:41 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2020, 11:03:29 PM
The alternative is that we need to start opening some of the economy. Small businesses are getting ravaged. We can’t sit in our houses indefinitely. We’re all aware of the severity of COVID-19 but continuing this for months on end is unsustainable
You have got to shut the freak up
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 11:04:07 PM
You have got to shut the freak upOr what
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2020, 11:06:47 PM
Or what
Just watch what happens in South Carolina and Louisiana after they open up "some" of the economy.
It's still too early.
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
Just watch what happens in South Carolina and Louisiana after they open up "some" of the economy.Good to hear. Keep sitting on your asses binging Netflix for the rest of eternity.
There’s a middle ground where healthy people can start to return to work in a safe manner. I’ve been working in the epicenter of this crisis in the US and have no issues because I take precautions.
If you’re immunocompromised maybe don’t go out. I’m a bit tired of everyone cheering on the virus to decimate us.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2020, 11:11:37 PM
Good to hear. Keep sitting on your asses binging Netflix for the rest of eternity.
There’s a middle ground where healthy people can start to return to work in a safe manner. I’ve been working in the epicenter of this crisis in the US and have no issues because I take precautions.
How do you know you aren't asymptomatic?
And just because you take precautions doesn't mean that all of your coworkers do.
I'll gladly work from home and watch Netflix instead of risking my health or the health of others.
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 11:13:48 PM
How do you know you aren't asymptomatic?Because if I was it’s been a month and a half since my company and the area has started working from home and practiced social distancing/safety measures. I have my 95 year old grandmother staying with me if that’s your next shot.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2020, 11:15:05 PM
Because if I was it’s been a month and a half since my company and the area has started working from home and practiced social distancing/safety measures.
Probably why you aren't sick, huh?
Post by: Pope on April 21, 2020, 11:17:20 PM
Probably why you aren't sick, huh?I brought her here a week ago. I’m gonna end it here because I have no interest in continuing this since I know how you get/are.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2020, 11:22:25 PM
I’m gonna end it here because I have no interest in continuing this since I know how you get/are.
Oh, the irony.
Post by: Jumbo on April 21, 2020, 11:37:18 PM
Just watch what happens in South Carolina and Louisiana after they open up "some" of the economy.
It's still too early.
When is it no longer too early?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 21, 2020, 11:52:29 PM
Good to hear. Keep sitting on your asses binging Netflix for the rest of eternity.
There’s a middle ground where healthy people can start to return to work in a safe manner. I’ve been working in the epicenter of this crisis in the US and have no issues because I take precautions.
If you’re immunocompromised maybe don’t go out. I’m a bit tired of everyone cheering on the virus to decimate us.
Precautions are bullshit.
They'll reduce the spread, but odds are well in excess of a 90% of people who are taking precautions are doing something freaking retarded with their precautions.
Hell the majority of people who work in Healthcare are pretty freaking retarded with their precautions. I literally see people everyday who work in the epicenter of excrement in NYC hospitals eating pizza and crap in their freaking hazmat suits covered in coronavirus
Either you stay home, get lucky, or live somewhere that the disease isn't prevalent
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2020, 12:06:31 AM
Precautions are bullshit.Yes, you’re right back to square one. Everyone spend the rest of their lives inside. The solution should be worse than the virus.
They'll reduce the spread, but odds are well in excess of a 90% of people who are taking precautions are doing something freaking retarded with their precautions.
Hell the majority of people who work in Healthcare are pretty freaking retarded with their precautions. I literally see people everyday who work in the epicenter of excrement in NYC hospitals eating pizza and crap in their freaking hazmat suits covered in coronavirus
Either you stay home, get lucky, or live somewhere that the disease isn't prevalent
I’d like to have a discussion about this but it seems impossible.
Let’s quarantine another month, maybe two, or six. No immunity in sight. What’s next? Unemployment will be north of 30% and climbing. Unpaid rents will force evictions. Utilities will be shut down. Inflation due to skyrocket. Food lines bare. Homeless numbers increasing exponentially. Etc etc etc etc etc.
What does an infinite quarantine accomplish exactly? Not everything has to be so black and white. What is the middle ground? How do we as a society begin to work our way back towards recovery?
Spamming StAY hOMe and fLATtEN tHe CuRVE only does so much. In NYC and the suburbs it’s approaching two months. Small business loans have dried out in the original phase. There is a second batch coming apparently but who knows if it’s too little too late. I’m seeing first hand massive numbers of employees getting laid off and a healthy percentage of small businesses closing their doors possibly permanently because they literally have no money.
Is the government supposed to just spin the money printer on Tannenbaum mode to keep things afloat? Newsflash: Zimbabwe
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 12:17:46 AM
When is it no longer too early?
If you wanna simplify it as much as possible. I think you open things up slowly when hospitals aren't near at or over capacity.
Waiting for a cure or vaccine is unreasonable and will have dire consequences. Jerking off on Twitter screaming liberate will do the same.
When hospitals have capacity and capabilities of handling significant loads, you gradually reinsert people into the world, starting with the low risk people to establish herd immunity making it safer as you introduce older and more vulnerable people over time.
It's a no brainer if you ask me
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 12:19:16 AM
Yes, you’re right back to square one. Everyone spend the rest of their lives inside. The solution should be worse than the virus.
I’d like to have a discussion about this but it seems impossible.
Let’s quarantine another month, maybe two, or six. No immunity in sight. What’s next? Unemployment will be north of 30% and climbing. Unpaid rents will force evictions. Utilities will be shut down. Inflation due to skyrocket. Food lines bare. Homeless numbers increasing exponentially. Etc etc etc etc etc.
What does an infinite quarantine accomplish exactly? Not everything has to be so black and white. What is the middle ground? How do we as a society begin to work our way back towards recovery?
Spamming StAY hOMe and fLATtEN tHe CuRVE only does so much. In NYC and the suburbs it’s approaching two months. Small business loans have dried out in the original phase. There is a second batch coming apparently but who knows if it’s too little too late. I’m seeing first hand massive numbers of employees getting laid off and a healthy percentage of small businesses closing their doors possibly permanently because they literally have no money.
Is the government supposed to just spin the money printer on Tannenbaum mode to keep things afloat? Newsflash: Zimbabwe
Oh I wasn't suggesting that everyone should stay home either. In my other post I flat out think it's a bad idea.
Im just saying from a risk perspective of getting the actual disease that precautions are limited at best
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2020, 12:25:55 AM
Oh I wasn't suggesting that everyone should stay home either. In my other post I flat out think it's a bad idea.I was a bit unfair didn’t mean to say that you were advocating it but more so public opinion that indefinite quarantine is the solution. The protests that are going on currently are the beginning. They are getting criticized and rightly so.
Im just saying from a risk perspective of getting the actual disease that precautions are limited at best
However, if this continues, these small radicalized protests can and will become more widespread and militant. That’s where my fear is. Snowball going downhill.
We live in such a polarizing society that almost every issue has become black and white. We need to find common ground and develop a way through this instead of slinging excrement at one another in some ridiculous partisan warfare. I swear some people would prefer to see the world burn if it affirms their opinion was right.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 12:36:08 AM
I was a bit unfair didn’t mean to say that you were advocating it but more so public opinion that indefinite quarantine is the solution. The protests that are going on currently are the beginning. They are getting criticized and rightly so.
However, if this continues, these small radicalized protests can and will become more widespread and militant. That’s where my fear is. Snowball going downhill.
We live in such a polarizing society that almost every issue has become black and white. We need to find common ground and develop a way through this instead of slinging excrement at one another in some ridiculous partisan warfare. I swear some people would prefer to see the world burn if it affirms their opinion was right.
Well the issue is a plan needs to be vocalize and clear.
People are freaking stupid. You can't give them huge complicated speeches or papers. Most people can't even read.
You gotta have a plan that's simple and stupid, and there has to be a very clear light at the end of the tunnel.
And Trump is the one who is riling people up with this excrement. End the quarantine fine, but you do it with a freaking plan not screaming tweets in caps lock
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 22, 2020, 02:51:12 AM
I know that isn't realistic, and I'm not sure it would work, but I would sign up for that in a damn second.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2020, 07:40:57 AM
Yeah I ignored the blatantly political/racist slant which everything has to become these days
IT WILL KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!
While I am supportive of opening businesses that are safe to re-open, that list is bizarre. They're about as unsafe as you get. I'd be interested to hear any other logical explanation for specifically opening those other than the political.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 22, 2020, 08:28:52 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 22, 2020, 09:27:50 AM
While I am supportive of opening businesses that are safe to re-open, that list is bizarre. They're about as unsafe as you get. I'd be interested to hear any other logical explanation for specifically opening those other than the political.
I am not a conspiracy theory guy but that list smells.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 22, 2020, 11:27:50 AM
If you wanna simplify it as much as possible. I think you open things up slowly when hospitals aren't near at or over capacity.
Waiting for a cure or vaccine is unreasonable and will have dire consequences. Jerking off on Twitter screaming liberate will do the same.
When hospitals have capacity and capabilities of handling significant loads, you gradually reinsert people into the world, starting with the low risk people to establish herd immunity making it safer as you introduce older and more vulnerable people over time.
It's a no brainer if you ask me
This is the closest to a reasonable answer.
I don't know that herd immunity is an answer though. People are now showing they can become re-infected (or at the very least, they're recovering and the virus is reviving itself). People could be reintroduced to society who might respread the disease, some even asymptomatic.
If we wait for an absolute vaccine to get back to work, the entire economy is dead. But it has to be a very careful rollout, including mandatory testing before a person should be allowed to return to work, coupled with mandatory temperature-taking before entering any enclosed space, and maybe even randomized testing for everyone who has returned to the public. All along with mandatory movement and location tracking.
And no, I don't want to hear about people's privacy or "rights." You want to get back to work? Cool. Don't make me or my loved ones sick cuz we got rights too.
Post by: insanity on April 22, 2020, 11:58:12 AM
Yes, you’re right back to square one. Everyone spend the rest of their lives inside. The solution should be worse than the virus.
I’d like to have a discussion about this but it seems impossible.
Let’s quarantine another month, maybe two, or six. No immunity in sight. What’s next? Unemployment will be north of 30% and climbing. Unpaid rents will force evictions. Utilities will be shut down. Inflation due to skyrocket. Food lines bare. Homeless numbers increasing exponentially. Etc etc etc etc etc.
What does an infinite quarantine accomplish exactly? Not everything has to be so black and white. What is the middle ground? How do we as a society begin to work our way back towards recovery?
Spamming StAY hOMe and fLATtEN tHe CuRVE only does so much. In NYC and the suburbs it’s approaching two months. Small business loans have dried out in the original phase. There is a second batch coming apparently but who knows if it’s too little too late. I’m seeing first hand massive numbers of employees getting laid off and a healthy percentage of small businesses closing their doors possibly permanently because they literally have no money.
Is the government supposed to just spin the money printer on Tannenbaum mode to keep things afloat? Newsflash: Zimbabwe
Maybe if wealth distribution wasn't so lopsided and more akin to the 70s, 80s, or even 90s this wouldn't be an issue.
This microcosm is showing the issues of the way we look at govt from a macro perspective on multiple fronts.
Post by: IATA on April 22, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
A small enough sample size not to mean much, but everyone did expect to see a bounce after Easter
Post by: IATA on April 22, 2020, 01:44:58 PM
Post by: klaximilian on April 22, 2020, 02:19:04 PM
that sounds like the right time to reopen tattoo parlors
Great, I've been waiting to finish off my sleeve. It's about damn time.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2020, 02:20:16 PM
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/connecticut-drones-coronavirus-symptom-monitoring
Post by: bojanglesman on April 22, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
This is batshit insane.Someone wants to play around with drones or has a buddy that makes the software. Waste of money and time.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/connecticut-drones-coronavirus-symptom-monitoring
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2020, 02:39:47 PM
Someone wants to play around with drones or has a buddy that makes the software. Waste of money and time.
The idea of government controlled drones monitoring people's vital signs from the sky is hideous.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 03:19:14 PM
The idea of government controlled drones monitoring people's vital signs from the sky is hideous.
If government doesn't do enough people cry and blame the government. If the government does too much people cry and blame the government.
I don't think this drone thing makes any sense whatsoever, but if someone wants to experiment with their money (I get the impression that private companies are footing the bill here) then let's see what happens
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2020, 03:38:59 PM
If government doesn't do enough people cry and blame the government. If the government does too much people cry and blame the government.
I don't think this drone thing makes any sense whatsoever, but if someone wants to experiment with their money (I get the impression that private companies are footing the bill here) then let's see what happens
So you don't see any kind of invasion of privacy issue here with the idea of the government taking vital readings from individuals without consent or notice?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 03:47:35 PM
So you don't see any kind of invasion of privacy issue here with the idea of the government taking vital readings from individuals without consent or notice?
How many companies are forcing employees to have their temperature taken in order to go to work? Sure they're consenting but it's the exact same thing.
How many stores have security cameras that are recording video of you without your consent?
Hell how much or what you do on the freaking internet or your cellphone is logged recorded and sold?
I get it nobody trusts the government blah blah blah. But people are too freaking stupid and selfish that the government has to step in and protect people from themselves.
If the government is keeping archives and records of your name and vital signs yeah that's an issue. But if this is live data without identifiers, I'm all for it if it means this excrement ends sooner and less people die. Especially if some private companies are willing to foot the bill, so that they can try to sell the technology to someone else.
On a side note I'm not a fan of big government monitoring you. But if private companies are willing to foot the bill, I'm more than okay with extraordinary measures being taken during the greatest pandemic of the modern age. Of course I also was a proponent of government enacting Marshall Law weeks ago which probably would have this excrement done and over with now
Post by: bojanglesman on April 22, 2020, 03:49:07 PM
So you don't see any kind of invasion of privacy issue here with the idea of the government taking vital readings from individuals without consent or notice?"Look, those 2 people in that house are really close together and have high body temps. I wonder why they are moving back and fo.....oh they are banging."
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2020, 04:13:32 PM
well, i guess when pope dies we wont have a memorial thread for him?I won’t die because I’m not a hoo-ha. You on the other hand..
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2020, 05:00:31 PM
How many companies are forcing employees to have their temperature taken in order to go to work? Sure they're consenting but it's the exact same thing.
So not the same thing. You have the choice of whether you allow that privacy to intruded upon.
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How many stores have security cameras that are recording video of you without your consent?
You are on private property and the terms of being so are available upon request, and usually you are informed via big signs warning you that CCTV is in operation.
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Hell how much or what you do on the freaking internet or your cellphone is logged recorded and sold?
Read the small print that you scrolled past to click the "accept" button.
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I get it nobody trusts the government blah blah blah. But people are too freaking stupid and selfish that the government has to step in and protect people from themselves.
If the government is keeping archives and records of your name and vital signs yeah that's an issue. But if this is live data without identifiers, I'm all for it if it means this excrement ends sooner and less people die. Especially if some private companies are willing to foot the bill, so that they can try to sell the technology to someone else.
On a side note I'm not a fan of big government monitoring you. But if private companies are willing to foot the bill, I'm more than okay with extraordinary measures being taken during the greatest pandemic of the modern age. Of course I also was a proponent of government enacting Marshall Law weeks ago which probably would have this excrement done and over with now
So you trust governments to be able to capture your vital health data without your knowledge and consent, keep that data secure, keep it anonymous, and not doing anything nefarious with it?
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 22, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
When is it no longer too early?
How about shen the freaking doctors say it's not. Maybe let's listen to the medical professionals in a global pandemic.
Post by: IATA on April 22, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
How about shen the freaking doctors say it's not. Maybe let's listen to the medical professionals in a global pandemic.Why wait when he have super tough guys like Pope around to save us?
Post by: Jumbo on April 22, 2020, 06:59:37 PM
How about shen the freaking doctors say it's not. Maybe let's listen to the medical professionals in a global pandemic.
Last I checked "the freaking doctors" are not a hivemind who have all decided on what the right course of action is. There's also other things to balance, like the 22 million Americans who have filed unemployment - in 1 month - which is a number that will only continue increasing and the small businesses that are going to have to cave in and shut down soon.
That doesn't mean re-open everything immediately, but a smart plan to begin re-open things slowly, have contingency plans in case hospitals get immediately overloaded, etc. etc. should be priority #1. There are so many people adamantly against re-opening anything any time soon, and I just don't get it (not saying this is you, necessarily).
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 22, 2020, 07:29:46 PM
Last I checked "the freaking doctors" are not a hivemind who have all decided on what the right course of action is. There's also other things to balance, like the 22 million Americans who have filed unemployment - in 1 month - which is a number that will only continue increasing and the small businesses that are going to have to cave in and shut down soon.
That doesn't mean re-open everything immediately, but a smart plan to begin re-open things slowly, have contingency plans in case hospitals get immediately overloaded, etc. etc. should be priority #1. There are so many people adamantly against re-opening anything any time soon, and I just don't get it (not saying this is you, necessarily).
Economists and bureaucrats aren't a hive mind either, don't see why their opinions (not sure what's left for you to be puting your trust in after you eliminate the medical community) should matter more.
FTR, I'm all for expanding the welfare state to keep people afloat, if only so it means that continued isolation keeps me alive.
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2020, 07:46:09 PM
Why wait when he have super tough guys like Pope around to save us?Toughest SOB you know
Post by: MBGreen on April 22, 2020, 07:48:16 PM
Last I checked "the freaking doctors" are not a hivemind who have all decided on what the right course of action is. There's also other things to balance, like the 22 million Americans who have filed unemployment - in 1 month - which is a number that will only continue increasing and the small businesses that are going to have to cave in and shut down soon.Maybe in September...your population hasn’t figured out what social distancing is yet.
That doesn't mean re-open everything immediately, but a smart plan to begin re-open things slowly, have contingency plans in case hospitals get immediately overloaded, etc. etc. should be priority #1. There are so many people adamantly against re-opening anything any time soon, and I just don't get it (not saying this is you, necessarily).
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2020, 09:37:06 PM
Last I checked "the freaking doctors" are not a hivemind who have all decided on what the right course of action is. There's also other things to balance, like the 22 million Americans who have filed unemployment - in 1 month - which is a number that will only continue increasing and the small businesses that are going to have to cave in and shut down soon.You don’t understand there is no middle ground here everything has to be black and white you fuckin Trump boy
That doesn't mean re-open everything immediately, but a smart plan to begin re-open things slowly, have contingency plans in case hospitals get immediately overloaded, etc. etc. should be priority #1. There are so many people adamantly against re-opening anything any time soon, and I just don't get it (not saying this is you, necessarily).
Excuse me while I post a link of people clapping for nurses on Facebook
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 22, 2020, 09:40:59 PM
Maybe in September...your population hasn’t figured out what social distancing is yet.
Florida is proof that this is a completely accurate statement.
Post by: IATA on April 22, 2020, 09:54:48 PM
Toughest SOB you know
youre no hornet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUmhMX_tLKQ)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2020, 11:27:58 PM
First tigers now pet cats
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2020, 12:09:24 AM
youre no hornet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUmhMX_tLKQ)Oh my god, I never saw this.
Post by: guinness77 on April 23, 2020, 12:46:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 23, 2020, 04:14:43 AM
youre no hornet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUmhMX_tLKQ)Yes!
Post by: insanity on April 23, 2020, 06:02:42 AM
youre no hornet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUmhMX_tLKQ)
Haha. Dude needs to learn some new moves
Post by: bojanglesman on April 23, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 23, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
I've read in a few places that some of these energy/oil companies in the Permian Basin are already starting to shift to solar since its a good place for that also. Good.
While oil is undoubtedly excrement right now. I'm not sure if this is the best time for any company to expand or spend a significant amount of resources reshifting its focus. Especially when the cost of presumably everything is jacked up because of severe supply and production restraints
Post by: insanity on April 23, 2020, 09:50:56 AM
I've read in a few places that some of these energy/oil companies in the Permian Basin are already starting to shift to solar since its a good place for that also. Good.Was having a convo about this last week with my friend who was consulting in this space. He said most of the smaller companies were just closing up shop, and paying any fees for supply owed.
Post by: IATA on April 23, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2020, 02:14:02 PM
While oil is undoubtedly excrement right now. I'm not sure if this is the best time for any company to expand or spend a significant amount of resources reshifting its focus. Especially when the cost of presumably everything is jacked up because of severe supply and production restraintsI feel like this is literally the perfect time for companies to shift their focuses.
This pandemic gives every business in the world every excuse to pivot their companies to be in the best place after this pandemic. Including the oil business.
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2020, 02:20:16 PM
I feel like this is literally the perfect time for companies to shift their focuses.
This pandemic gives every business in the world every excuse to pivot their companies to be in the best place after this pandemic. Including the oil business.
Especially the oil business. Massive oversupply combined with a slow ramp up of travel post lockdown means that the price is likely to stay low for a long time, I think. Not sure how they pivot though, you can't load a bunch of solar energy onto a boat; feels like there's a massive infrastructure project required to enable them to switch. I like infrastructure projects though, they're economically effective.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 23, 2020, 02:43:27 PM
I feel like this is literally the perfect time for companies to shift their focuses.
This pandemic gives every business in the world every excuse to pivot their companies to be in the best place after this pandemic. Including the oil business.
If it doesn't require a ton of infrastructure and materials sure. As manpower will be plentiful
But with companies across the world all shut down, I feel like getting expensive fancy equipment and supplies is going to be extremely difficult.
Not to mention the price of all kinds of energy is absolutely fucked due to record low demand.
And the biggest problem of all, is where the freak is any company going to get funding for something like this? Companies are literally going bankrupt at record rates, revenue is in a massive free fall and will continue to do so for several months/year(s?). The stock market is collapsed, lenders are going bankrupt.
From a we're sitting around not doing anything perspective yeah its a great time to pivot. From a viability standpoint it's a near impossibility unless you're one of the few companies sitting on a mountain of gold or if a pivot won't cost you excrement.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 23, 2020, 05:16:43 PM
To your friends that are having an hard time to understand the Oil crisis, here is a simple explanation:
Why WTI traded at -$40...
Imagine the following...you pay $500 today and commit to receiving an escort at your house in fifteen days, because your girlfriend will then be traveling...
Unfortunately, quarantine came and your girlfriend will be home for the next 3 months...
Like all girlfriends from all over the world...
You do not want this woman to show up at your house at all and try to pass this future contract to someone...
Only you cannot sell this commitment because nobody can receive the escort at home anymore. Everyone is with their respective girlfriends. To make matters worse, not even the pimp has more room to receive girls because his house is crowded with other call girls.
Do you understand why oil may have a negative price when the contract is delivered?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 23, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
Someone from my hockey team put the oil crisis in terms any guy can understand :Send the whore to a single guy. Profit.
To your friends that are having an hard time to understand the Oil crisis, here is a simple explanation:
Why WTI traded at -$40...
Imagine the following...you pay $500 today and commit to receiving an escort at your house in fifteen days, because your girlfriend will then be traveling...
Unfortunately, quarantine came and your girlfriend will be home for the next 3 months...
Like all girlfriends from all over the world...
You do not want this woman to show up at your house at all and try to pass this future contract to someone...
Only you cannot sell this commitment because nobody can receive the escort at home anymore. Everyone is with their respective girlfriends. To make matters worse, not even the pimp has more room to receive girls because his house is crowded with other call girls.
Do you understand why oil may have a negative price when the contract is delivered?
Post by: Miamipuck on April 23, 2020, 05:41:20 PM
Send the whore to a single guy. Profit.
I sent that to my pizza she was dying.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 23, 2020, 09:35:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 07:23:41 AM
Seems like a lot of physicians who are managing this mess that I've talked to are more concerned about this excrement coming back with a vengence along with the flu in the winter than it in its current course
And they're right.
Need an effective antiviral treatment before the fall...or we're doomed.
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KySb4hQ.png)
Did they really get the freaking month wrong
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 10:55:13 AM
Did they really get the freaking month wrong
Because that's the bit that stood out to you. Still, at least I know now how you've been able to stay safe from infection:
(https://i.imgur.com/YqDGvpk.png)
Post by: bojanglesman on April 25, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
Because that's the bit that stood out to you. Still, at least I know now how you've been able to stay safe from infection:
(https://i.imgur.com/YqDGvpk.png)
I mean I was under the impression that the point of a message board was to read the things posted
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
I mean I was under the impression that the point of a message board was to read the things postedThe point is denigrating each other
Post by: bojanglesman on April 25, 2020, 11:33:57 AM
The point is denigrating each otherI'm thinking of having some denigrated chicken for dinner tonight.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2020, 11:38:23 AM
The point is denigrating each other
Your parents are racists
And probably rapist too
Post by: bojanglesman on April 25, 2020, 11:42:19 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2020, 11:51:59 AM
Almost as disturbing to me is that during that entire incoherent rambling, I don't think Trump actually completed a sentence. How do you talk for 5 minutes straight and manage to speak in only self-interrupted retard fragments?
this has been going on for years. he cannot articulate himself or his thoughts, there must be some sort of chaos going on within his mind. he'll start a sentence, cut himself off and start a new sentence/thought without completing either the first or second sentence, and sometimes afterwards he'll allude back to the first sentence, still without actually completing it. even taking political views or the content of his statements aside, he is just not an easy person to listen to
Post by: Pope on April 25, 2020, 11:59:02 AM
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2020, 12:00:18 PM
this has been going on for years. he cannot articulate himself or his thoughts, there must be some sort of chaos going on within his mind. he'll start a sentence, cut himself off and start a new sentence/thought without completing either the first or second sentence, and sometimes afterwards he'll allude back to the first sentence, still without actually completing it. even taking political views or the content of his statements aside, he is just not an easy person to listen toAnd dem voters saw this and said "we want that but in blue"
Post by: IATA on April 25, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
And dem voters saw this and said "we want that but in blue""Anything you can do, I forget. Where am I?"
- Joe Biden, probably
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
i have spent large swaths of my life over the past 6 years where i only had the luxury of roughly that amount of sleep, and while i still seemed to function okay, organization was definitely an issue to the point where i had to write stuff down to keep things in track. i would also run into more verbal blocks than i normally would
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
i would also run into more verbal blocks than i normally would
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
the world can definitely use a lot less speaking/talking from me, but the blocks definitely don't help in a profession where presentation and communication is an absolutely integral component to making sure things are safe
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 02:37:58 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I was translating that to Biden / Trump. In my head the connection was there...
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2020, 03:08:59 PM
I was translating that to Biden / Trump. In my head the connection was there...
lol are you in need of more sleep? or maybe it's me, i cut my sleep short today to watch the draft
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2020, 03:16:02 PM
lol are you in need of more sleep? or maybe it's me, i cut my sleep short today to watch the draft
That or less alcohol.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2020, 06:17:50 PM
That or less alcohol.
Never sacrifice alcohol for sleep
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
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Today, New York City has the same social-distancing policies and business-closure rules as Seattle. But because New York’s recommendations came later than Seattle’s—and because communication was less consistent—it took longer to influence how people behaved. According to data collected by Google from cell phones, nearly a quarter of Seattleites were avoiding their workplaces by March 6th. In New York City, another week passed until an equivalent percentage did the same. Tom Frieden, the former C.D.C. director, has estimated that, if New York had started implementing stay-at-home orders ten days earlier than it did, it might have reduced covid-19 deaths by fifty to eighty per cent. Another former New York City health commissioner told me that “de Blasio was just horrible,” adding, “Maybe it was unintentional, maybe it was his arrogance. But, if you tell people to stay home and then you go to the gym, you can’t really be surprised when people keep going outside.”
More than fifteen thousand people in New York are believed to have died from covid-19. Last week in Washington State, the estimate was fewer than seven hundred people.
-The New Yorker
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2020, 03:08:14 PM
There are many explanations for this divergence. New York is denser than Seattle and relies more heavily on public transportation, which forces commuters into close contact. In Seattle, efforts at social distancing may have been aided by local attitudes—newcomers are warned of the Seattle Freeze, which one local columnist compared to the popular girl in high school who “always smiles and says hello” but “doesn’t know your name and doesn’t care to.” New Yorkers are in your face, whether you like it or not. (“Stand back at least six feet, playa,” a sign in the window of a Bronx bodega cautioned. “covid-19 is some real excrement!”) New York also has more poverty and inequality than Seattle, and more international travellers. Moreover, as Mike Famulare, a senior research scientist at the Institute for Disease Modeling, put it to me, “There’s always some element of good luck and bad luck in a pandemic.”
It’s also true, however, that the cities’ leaders acted and communicated very differently in the early stages of the pandemic. Seattle’s leaders moved fast to persuade people to stay home and follow the scientists’ advice; New York’s leaders, despite having a highly esteemed public-health department, moved more slowly, offered more muddied messages, and let politicians’ voices dominate.
New York’s mayor, Bill de Blasio, has long had a fraught relationship with the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, which, though technically under his control, seeks to function independently and avoid political fights. “There’s always a bit of a split between the political appointees, whose jobs are to make a mayor look good, and public-health professionals, who sometimes have to make unpopular recommendations,” a former head of the Department of Health told me. “But, with the de Blasio people, that antagonism is ten times worse. They are so much more impossible to work with than other administrations.” In 2015, when Legionnaires’ disease sickened at least a hundred and thirty New Yorkers and killed at least twelve, tensions between de Blasio and the Health Department came to a head. After de Blasio ordered health officials to force their way into buildings in the Bronx to test cooling towers for contamination, even though the outbreak’s source had already been identified, the officials complained that the Mayor was wasting their time in order to brag to reporters that he’d done everything possible to stamp out the disease. When the deputy commissioner for environmental health, Daniel Kass, refused City Hall’s demands, one of the city’s deputy mayors urged the commissioner of health, Mary Bassett, to fire Kass. She ignored the suggestion, but Kass eventually resigned. He later told colleagues he felt that his rebellion had made coöperation with City Hall impossible.
“Dan Kass is one of the best environmental-health experts in the country,” Bassett, who now teaches at Harvard, said. “New York has one of the best health departments in the United States, possibly the world. We’d all be better off if we were listening really closely to them right now.”
In early March, as Dow Constantine was asking Microsoft to close its offices and putting scientists in front of news cameras, de Blasio and New York’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, were giving speeches that deëmphasized the risks of the pandemic, even as the city was announcing its first official cases. De Blasio initially voiced caution, saying that “no one should take the coronavirus situation lightly,” but soon told residents to keep helping the city’s economy. “Go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,” he tweeted on March 2nd—one day after the first covid-19 diagnosis in New York. He urged people to see a movie at Lincoln Center. On the day that Seattle schools closed, de Blasio said at a press conference that “if you are not sick, if you are not in the vulnerable category, you should be going about your life.” Cuomo, meanwhile, had told reporters that “we should relax.” He said that most infected people would recover with few problems, adding, “We don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”
De Blasio’s and Cuomo’s instincts are understandable. A political leader’s job, in most situations, is to ease citizens’ fears and buoy the economy. During a pandemic, however, all those imperatives are reversed: a politician’s job is to inflame our paranoia, because waiting until we can see the danger means holding off until it’s too late. The city’s epidemiologists were horrified by the comforting messages that de Blasio and Cuomo kept giving. Jeffrey Shaman, a disease modeller at Columbia, said, “All you had to do was look at the West Coast, and you knew it was coming for us. That’s why Seattle and San Francisco and Portland were shutting things down.” But New York “dithered instead of telling people to stay home.”
By early March, the city’s Department of Health had sent the Mayor numerous proposals on fighting the virus’s spread. Since there weren’t enough diagnostic kits to conduct extensive testing, public-health officials proposed “sentinel surveillance”: asking local hospitals to provide the Department of Health with swabs collected from people who had flulike symptoms and had tested negative for influenza. By testing a selection of those swabs, the department could estimate how rapidly and widely the coronavirus was moving through the city. In previous outbreaks, such studies had been tremendously useful in guiding governmental responses—and this spring Los Angeles effectively deployed the strategy, as did Santa Clara County, in California, and the state of Hawaii.
In New York City, the Health Department began collecting swabs, but the initiative met swift resistance. Under federal health laws, such swabs have to be anonymized for patients who haven’t consented to a coronavirus test. This meant that, even if city officials learned that many people were infected, officials wouldn’t be able to identify, let alone warn, any of them. The Mayor’s office refused to authorize testing the swabs. “They didn’t want to have to say, ‘There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of you who are positive for coronavirus, but we don’t know who,’ ” a Department of Health official told me, adding, “It was a real opportunity to communicate to New Yorkers that this is serious—you have to stay home.” The effort was blocked over fears that it might create a panic, but such alarm might have proved useful. After all, the official told me, panic is pretty effective at getting people to change their behavior. Instead, the Mayor’s office informed the Health Department that the city would sponsor a job fair to find a few new “disease detectives.” That event was held on March 12th, in Long Island City. The Department of Health official said, “We’re in the middle of a catastrophe, and their solution is to make us waste time interviewing and onboarding people!” (The Mayor’s office eventually relented on the sentinel-surveillance samples, and testing began on March 23rd—almost a month after samples were first collected. By then, the outbreak was well under way.)
As New York City schools, bars, and restaurants remained open, relations between the Department of Health and City Hall devolved. Health supervisors were “very, very angry,” one official told me. In particular, health officials were furious that de Blasio kept telling New Yorkers to go out and get a test if they suspected they were infected. On March 4th, he tweeted, “If you feel flu-like symptoms (fever, cough and shortness of breath), and recently traveled to an area affected by coronavirus . . . go to your doctor.” This was the opposite of what city health supervisors were advising: people needed to stay inside and call their doctor if they felt sick. Making trips to doctors’ offices or emergency rooms only increased the odds that the virus would spread, and the city’s limited supply of tests needed to be saved for people with life-threatening conditions. De Blasio’s staff, however, had started micromanaging the department’s communications, including on Twitter. Finally, on March 15th, the Department of Health was allowed to post a thread: “If you are sick, stay home. If you do not feel better in 3 to 4 days, consult with your health care provider”; “Testing should only be used for people who need to be hospitalized”; “Everyone in NYC should act as if they have been exposed to coronavirus. . . . New Yorkers who are not sick should also stay home as much as possible.” One City Council member told me that health officials “had been trying to say that publicly for weeks, but this mayor refuses to trust the experts—it’s mind-boggling.”
As the city’s scientists offered plans for more aggressive action and provided data showing that time was running out, the Mayor’s staff responded that the health officials were politically naďve. At one point, Dr. Marcelle Layton, the city’s assistant commissioner of communicable diseases, and an E.I.S. alum who is revered by health officials across the nation for her inventiveness and dedication, was ordered to City Hall, in case she was needed to help the Mayor answer questions from the press. She sat on a bench in a hallway for three hours, away from her team, while politicians spoke to the media. (Layton declined interview requests.) At press conferences, Layton and other physicians played minimal roles while de Blasio and Cuomo, longtime rivals, each attempted to take center stage. The two men even began publicly feuding—arguing in the press, and through aides, about who had authority over schools and workplace closures.
Eventually, three of the top leaders of the city’s Department of Health met with de Blasio and demanded that he quickly instate social-distancing rules and begin sending clear messages to the public to stay indoors. Layton and a deputy health commissioner, Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, indicated to de Blasio’s staff that if the Mayor didn’t act promptly they would resign. (The next day, Layton’s staff greeted her with applause, and at least one employee offered to give her some money if she had to make good on the ultimatum.) De Blasio was in a corner: he had long positioned himself as a champion of the underclass, and closing schools would disproportionately hurt the poor and vulnerable. What’s more, unions representing health-care workers had threatened that nurses, orderlies, and others might stay home unless there was a plan to provide child care.
Nevertheless, de Blasio finally acceded to the health officials’ demands. On March 16th, after a compromise was reached with the health-care unions, city schools were closed, and Cuomo ordered all gyms and similar facilities to shut down. The messaging remained jumbled, however. Right before the gym closure was set to take effect, de Blasio asked his driver to take him to the Y.M.C.A. in Park Slope, near his old home, for a final workout. Even de Blasio’s allies were outraged. A former adviser tweeted, “The mayor’s actions today are inexcusable and reckless.” Another former consultant tweeted that the gym visit was “Pathetic. Self-involved. Inexcusable.”
De Blasio and Cuomo kept bickering. On March 17th, de Blasio told residents to “be prepared right now for the possibility of a shelter-in-place order.” The same day, Cuomo told a reporter, “There’s not going to be any ‘you must stay in your house’ rule.” Cuomo’s staff quietly told reporters that de Blasio was acting “psychotic.” Three days later, though, Cuomo announced an executive order putting the state on “pause”—which was essentially indistinguishable from stay-at-home orders issued by cities in Washington State, California, and elsewhere. (A spokesperson for de Blasio said that City Hall’s “messaging changed as the situation and the science changed” and that there was “no dithering.” A spokesperson for Cuomo said that “the Governor communicated clearly the seriousness of this pandemic” and that “the Governor has been laser focused on communicating his actions in a way that doesn’t scare people.”)
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2020, 03:33:57 PM
If they had set an example, rather than think they were above it all, maybe people would have followed their lead.
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 03:40:43 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-donald-trump-has-destroyed-the-country-he-promised-to-make-great-again-1.4235928
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Fintan O’Toole: Donald Trump has destroyed the country he promised to make great again
The world has loved, hated and envied the US, Now, for the first time, we pity it
Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.
However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful.
Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.
As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, “The United States reacted ... like Pakistan or Belarus – like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”
It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time – wilfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.
The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.
If the plague is a test, its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives. In the process, the idea of the US as the world’s leading nation – an idea that has shaped the past century – has all but evaporated.
Other than the Trump impersonator Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do? How many people in Düsseldorf or Dublin are wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas?
It is hard to remember now but, even in 2017, when Trump took office, the conventional wisdom in the US was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion, but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage ways.
Abject surrender
What used to be called mainstream conservatism has not absorbed Trump – he has absorbed it. Almost the entire right-wing half of American politics has surrendered abjectly to him. It has sacrificed on the altar of wanton stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility, care and even safety.
Thus, even at the very end of March, 15 Republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or to close non-essential businesses. In Alabama, for example, it was not until April 3rd that governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay-at-home order.
In Florida, the state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions, governor Ron DeSantis, a Trump mini-me, kept the beach resorts open to students travelling from all over the US for spring break parties. Even on April 1st, when he issued restrictions, DeSantis exempted religious services and “recreational activities”.
Georgia governor Brian Kemp, when he finally issued a stay-at-home order on April 1st, explained: “We didn’t know that [the virus can be spread by people without symptoms] until the last 24 hours.”
This is not mere ignorance – it is deliberate and homicidal stupidity. There is, as the demonstrations this week in US cities have shown, plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It is fuelled by Fox News and far-right internet sites, and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations, mostly (in an ugly irony) from older people who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.
It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories, hatred of science, paranoia about the “deep state” and religious providentialism (God will protect the good folks) that is now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right.
Trump embodies and enacts this mindset, but he did not invent it. The US response to the coronavirus crisis has been paralysed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of US democracy. On the one hand, they want to control all the levers of governmental power. On the other they have created a popular base by playing on the notion that government is innately evil and must not be trusted.
The contradiction was made manifest in two of Trump’s statements on the pandemic: on the one hand that he has “total authority”, and on the other that “I don’t take responsibility at all”. Caught between authoritarian and anarchic impulses, he is incapable of coherence.
Fertile ground
But this is not just Donald Trump. The crisis has shown definitively that Trump’s presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it.
There are very powerful interests who demand “freedom” in order to do as they like with the environment, society and the economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that “freedom” is literally more important than life. My freedom to own assault weapons trumps your right not to get shot at school. Now, my freedom to go to the barber (“I Need a Haircut” read one banner this week in St Paul, Minnesota) trumps your need to avoid infection.
Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder.
And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There has been no moment of truth, no shock of realisation that the antics have to end. No one of any substance on the US right has stepped in to say: get a grip, people are dying here.
That is the mark of how deep the trouble is for the US – it is not just that Trump has treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behaviour has become normalised. When the freak show is live on TV every evening, and the star is boasting about his ratings, it is not really a freak show any more. For a very large and solid bloc of Americans, it is reality.
And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is revelling in it. He is in his element.
As things get worse, he will pump more hatred and falsehood, more death-wish defiance of reason and decency, into the groundwater. If a new administration succeeds him in 2021, it will have to clean up the toxic dump he leaves behind. If he is re-elected, toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics.
Either way, it will be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2020, 04:01:55 PM
There's a good article by Fintan O'Toole in The Irish Times. Warning: mj2sexay should not read it.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-donald-trump-has-destroyed-the-country-he-promised-to-make-great-again-1.4235928
While I don't disagree with the notions about Trump, this makes it far more partisan than reality. Trump is guilty of all those things (only briefly skimmed way too freaking long biased and uninteresting} and his party in power thus having greater influence. But Pelosi Deblasio Cuomo and countless other democrats are just as much of the problem. Especially considering NY/NJ is as much of a problem as the rest of the entire United States combined. And those places are a leftist sanctuary.
To pretend this was a partisan failure is guilty of the same ignorance as Trump. All politicians gave a freak through this entire thing is November, and that's still all they care about.
Of course it is an opinion piece by an openly liberal writer so I'm not sure how this article is any better than some dribble by Sean Hannity. Other than HA TRUMP BAD
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2020, 04:11:42 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 04:16:22 PM
While I don't disagree with the notions about Trump, this makes it far more partisan than reality. Trump is guilty of all those things (only briefly skimmed way too freaking long biased and uninteresting} and his party in power thus having greater influence. But Pelosi Deblasio Cuomo and countless other democrats are just as much of the problem. Especially considering NY/NJ is as much of a problem as the rest of the entire United States combined. And those places are a leftist sanctuary.
To pretend this was a partisan failure is guilty of the same ignorance as Trump. All politicians gave a freak through this entire thing is November, and that's still all they care about.
Of course it is an opinion piece by an openly liberal writer so I'm not sure how this article is any better than some dribble by Sean Hannity. Other than HA TRUMP BAD
"I didn't read this article but let me tell you why it's terrible"
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2020, 04:26:15 PM
"I didn't read this article but let me tell you why it's terrible"
Is the article not completely and entirely one sided?
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
Is the article not completely and entirely one sided?
You say that like there's sides involved, but you of course do that because it's your usual position - "I'm completely apolitical and I dislike both sides equally, now let me spend all my time telling you why it's the liberals who are the problem". You're not alone in doing that, but it's pretty disingenuous all the same.
Read through the article and tell me what's incorrect. No one writes an article about Pol Pot and feels it important to note that he was also known for his personal charm and love for classic poetry. Sometimes there are no sides, it's just plain freaking bad. Can you honestly look at any country in the world right now and say "phew, at least we didn't freak up our response as badly as them"?
Americans are dying in their thousands daily and your President is grifting and campaigning. But the libs!
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
While I don't disagree with the notions about Trump, this makes it far more partisan than reality. Trump is guilty of all those things (only briefly skimmed way too freaking long biased and uninteresting} and his party in power thus having greater influence. But Pelosi Deblasio Cuomo and countless other democrats are just as much of the problem. Especially considering NY/NJ is as much of a problem as the rest of the entire United States combined. And those places are a leftist sanctuary.Please stop using the word leftist
To pretend this was a partisan failure is guilty of the same ignorance as Trump. All politicians gave a freak through this entire thing is November, and that's still all they care about.
Of course it is an opinion piece by an openly liberal writer so I'm not sure how this article is any better than some dribble by Sean Hannity. Other than HA TRUMP BAD
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2020, 05:03:23 PM
World Leader Power Rankings - Week of 4/6
1) Xi
2) Iran man bad
3) Jair Bolsonaro
Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro has tried to reassure his citizens over the threat of coronavirus by claiming Brazilians can bathe in excrement “and nothing happens”.
“They never catch anything. You see some bloke jumping into the sewage, he gets out, has a dive, right? And nothing happens to him.”
Without offering any scientific evidence, Bolsonaro continued: “I think it’s even possible lots of people have already been infected in Brazil, a few weeks or months ago, and have already got the antibodies that help it not to proliferate”.
https://twitter.com/carinzissis/status/1243652903790956544?s=21
4) Dutch PM
update: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/27/caught-between-herd-immunity-and-national-lockdown-holland-hit-hard-by-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
5) Sweden PM
herd immunity SZN
6) Boris Johnson
update: tested positive for covid 10 days ago, hospitalized yesterday
The prime minister was reportedly treated with oxygen after arriving at St Thomas' Hospital in London on Sunday at 8 pm GMT.
Aides reportedly became "increasingly worried" about the prime minister's health in recent days due to his appearance and symptoms of the virus.
Johnson was "more seriously ill than either he or his officials were prepared to admit," according to the Guardian, which reported a source suggesting Johnson "was being seen by doctors who were concerned about his breathing."
7) Philippines President
(https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1245937203143983107?s=21)
8- Belarus Grand Poobah
(https://twitter.com/rtsportnews/status/1244594129113354242?s=21)
9) Trump
Prrrrrt
New additions for this week:
Jair Bolsonaro
Swedish PM
Trending up:
Boris Johnson
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2020, 05:31:36 PM
You say that like there's sides involved, but you of course do that because it's your usual position - "I'm completely apolitical and I dislike both sides equally, now let me spend all my time telling you why it's the liberals who are the problem". You're not alone in doing that, but it's pretty disingenuous all the same.
Read through the article and tell me what's incorrect. No one writes an article about Pol Pot and feels it important to note that he was also known for his personal charm and love for classic poetry. Sometimes there are no sides, it's just plain freaking bad. Can you honestly look at any country in the world right now and say "phew, at least we didn't freak up our response as badly as them"?
Americans are dying in their thousands daily and your President is grifting and campaigning. But the libs!
I'm definitely not apolitical
I addmitedly hate the left more than the right. To oversimplfy my views I'd say that I tend to agree with the right more on economics and the left on (some) social issues.
But I think the issue is almost always both sides taking sides. Instead of viewing each issue in a box. And I don't think liberals are the problem, they both are. This board tends to be more liberal so I feel it's necessary to remind them that both sides are freaking dog excrement. If Trump disappeared tomorrow, most of the same problems will remain.
And yes I can look at other countries who fucked it up more than us.
Look at mortality rates. In the US i(according to Hopkins) its 5%. In Spain Italy Belgium France UK its between 10 and 15%.
Sure the United States has fucked up a TON. But we also have the most universal international travel (especially in NY our epicenter). But people like to just blame the US for everything because they hate Trump. If the exact same thing happens with Obama as president, the international community would be jerking him off saying he's saved billions.
Obviously Trump has made this worse because he doesn't know how to lead, but I certainly don't think the US has had the worst outcome of any country
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
And yes I can look at other countries who fucked it up more than us.
Look at mortality rates. In the US i(according to Hopkins) its 5%. In Spain Italy Belgium France UK its between 10 and 15%.
Sure the United States has fucked up a TON. But we also have the most universal international travel (especially in NY our epicenter). But people like to just blame the US for everything because they hate Trump. If the exact same thing happens with Obama as president, the international community would be jerking him off saying he's saved billions.
Obviously Trump has made this worse because he doesn't know how to lead, but I certainly don't think the US has had the worst outcome of any country
If they have terrible mortality rates because the thing just came at them too fast early on when no one really knew what it was all about and their healthcare systems were overwhelmed, they didn't freak up. They just weren't equipped to handle it.
If you knew what was coming with the luxury of a bit more time and prior data from other territories, as well as having vast resources to draw upon, and you still didn't handle it correctly, you fucked up.
A comparison of mortality rates does not support your argument. I didn't ask whether other countries' outcomes were worse, I asked if anyone else had fucked up their response as badly as the US. And don't give me the whole "liberal states vs federal conservative bullshit", because we have hardcore right wingers leading some of our provinces, including mine, and a liberal leader at federal level who they all hate, and they have all put aside their enmity and chosen to work together for the protection and benefit of the country. Because that's what leaders do.
That's the entire point of that article you dismissed.
Post by: Pope on April 26, 2020, 05:51:04 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2020, 05:54:20 PM
But did Spain Belgium etc not all get it the same or after the US?
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 06:15:21 PM
I realize Italy was one of the first
But did Spain Belgium etc not all get it the same or after the US?
All about the same time. So compare and contrast the trajectories:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
And they don't have anything like the resources you do, they don't have the border controls you do, they have a vastly more externally transitory population than you do, they're a country with a high prevalence of smoking, and they have a population that is towards the top end of average age. I'm not even saying that Spain did a good job. They got and continue to be hammered hard, but I'm still willing to bet that by the time this is all over the US will be worse because they're trending down while you're not, and you're taking about opening things up again because people with AR-15s need haircuts and proms. (Ironically, we're all going to be building walls albeit invisible ones, because there's no way that anyone is going to allow travel between their countries and the US for along time.)
The point of the article was entirely about the complete mishandling of things by Trump and his acolytes - with the resources and knowledge available to them they chose instead to go into re-election campaign mode. All you're offering in response is basic whataboutism. And you'll vote for him in November just like you did in 2016, because you believe that the Republican party and therefore by extension Trump will be better over the next four years for your 401K.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1254513987196248065?s=19I mean, Trump barely was a year into his presidency. That's essentially the same as Obama still being there. He probably had his Illuminati buddies still in the White House sending covert videos to Obama so he could mind control Congress. Except the economy was all Trump. That was good so Trump gets full credit.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
All about the same time. So compare and contrast the trajectories:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
And they don't have anything like the resources you do, they don't have the border controls you do, they have a vastly more externally transitory population than you do, they're a country with a high prevalence of smoking, and they have a population that is towards the top end of average age. I'm not even saying that Spain did a good job. They got and continue to be hammered hard, but I'm still willing to bet that by the time this is all over the US will be worse because they're trending down while you're not, and you're taking about opening things up again because people with AR-15s need haircuts and proms. (Ironically, we're all going to be building walls albeit invisible ones, because there's no way that anyone is going to allow travel between their countries and the US for along time.)
The point of the article was entirely about the complete mishandling of things by Trump and his acolytes - with the resources and knowledge available to them they chose instead to go into re-election campaign mode. All you're offering in response is basic whataboutism. And you'll vote for him in November just like you did in 2016, because you believe that the Republican party and therefore by extension Trump will be better over the next four years for your 401K.
To be fair I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 nor will I in 2020
Though he will be better for my 401k
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 07:33:11 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1254563823765389312?s=21
My guess is that it's because New York has a confluence of two things that nowhere else in the US does - it's by far the biggest international transit hub in the US, and it is by far the biggest and busiest mass transit system in the US. You had people bringing it in, and then a contained environment in which to rapidly spread it. I've been to most of the major cities in the US and I can't think of anywhere else that has a melting pot so perfectly designed for rapid transmission of a virus carried by skin and breath.
London I think had a similar problem, although not on quite the same scale.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2020, 03:58:59 PM
lol
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2020, 04:06:48 PM
To be fair I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 nor will I in 2020(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200427/9ad5c76787e46d73361a5c6d7dac6bfb.jpg)
Though he will be better for my 401k
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2020, 04:08:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2020, 04:10:23 PM
Republicans do economy magic, Democrats give away my money to MuslicansDemocrats leave office in 2001....great economy....
Republicans leave office in 2009....excrement economy....
Democrats leave office in 2017.....great economy....
Republicans (hopefully) leave office in 2021....excrement economy...
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2020, 04:18:44 PM
Democrats leave office in 2001....great economy....
Republicans leave office in 2009....excrement economy....
Democrats leave office in 2017.....great economy....
Republicans (hopefully) leave office in 2021....excrement economy...
Lmao, remember guys, it was Obama's economy until the pandemic. Amazing how that works out.
By the way, Bubba didn't leave us with a great economy despite presiding over a period of prosperity by any stretch (the incoming recession was obvious), but don't let any sort of factual basis get in the way of the narrative.
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2020, 05:44:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2020, 05:46:31 PM
The president has a generally negligible effect on the economy in the short-termI agree. Usually, the impact of a president on the economy isn't felt until the 2nd half of a term. I just find it ironic that Republicans are always considered the best for the economy, even though whenever they're in charge, the economy is rarely in a better place than it started. And while I threw Trump in to my original post, obviously it's unfair to blame Trump for the current economy. Trump screwed up a ton of things as president, and that includes in his pandemic reaction, but he obviously is not the reason why the economy is struggling now.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2020, 05:50:08 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
The president has a generally negligible effect on the economy in the short-term
Yes, we have all listened to that episode of Freakonomics. However, it is not unreasonable to think that 8 years' worth of domestic and foreign policy decisions will have a fairly significant impact upon economic direction. Most Presidents tend to steer a fairly moderate course most of the time with only things like wars effecting significant and fast economic swings, and in the case of the US that doesn't necessarily mean negative swings - at least in the short term. But it doesn't take too long for things like phoney trade wars with the world's largest exporter of consumer goods to have a noticeable impact so let's not play the "hey, nothing bad is really Trump's fault because Presidents don't impact what happens to the economy" card just because Dubner said so, especially when said President has been claiming all the credit for doing so in the first place.
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2020, 05:54:38 PM
Most impressive is how freaking well the stock market is doing right now all things considering.
Are you still doing this whole equating the stock market with the economy thing?
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2020, 06:19:21 PM
Most impressive is how freaking well the stock market is doing right now all things considering.The correct conclusion is that any gains right now are highly suspect
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2020, 08:05:06 PM
Yes, we have all listened to that episode of Freakonomics. However, it is not unreasonable to think that 8 years' worth of domestic and foreign policy decisions will have a fairly significant impact upon economic direction. Most Presidents tend to steer a fairly moderate course most of the time with only things like wars effecting significant and fast economic swings, and in the case of the US that doesn't necessarily mean negative swings - at least in the short term. But it doesn't take too long for things like phoney trade wars with the world's largest exporter of consumer goods to have a noticeable impact so let's not play the "hey, nothing bad is really Trump's fault because Presidents don't impact what happens to the economy" card just because Dubner said so, especially when said President has been claiming all the credit for doing so in the first place.
Or, you know, I've studied finance and economics for a long time and have degrees in the subject?
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2020, 08:08:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2020, 08:09:32 PM
Or, you know, I've studied finance and economics for a long time and have degrees in the subject?
LOL really?
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
LOL really?
Yes?
It's disputed like anything in economics is, but the majority of economists would probably agree that at most times fiscal policy does not have a large short-term impact on the economy
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2020, 08:29:08 PM
Yes?
It's disputed like anything in economics is, but the majority of economists would probably agree that at most times fiscal policy does not have a large short-term impact on the economy
OK. So then would it be your position that if a President were to mandate that the federal minimum wage was going up to $15 effective immediately, it would not have a large short-term impact on the economy?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2020, 08:55:23 PM
Are you still doing this whole equating the stock market with the economy thing?
I definitely don't think the economy is healthy right now.
But the stock market doing well does signify faith in the economy recovering and growing
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2020, 09:58:31 PM
OK. So then would it be your position that if a President were to mandate that the federal minimum wage was going up to $15 effective immediately, it would not have a large short-term impact on the economy?
The president can't do that. That's part of the reason the president's impact is overrated - they themselves are not acting unilaterally on most of these things, and executive agencies have a much larger impact than people give them credit for. Those agencies are technically an extension of the presidency but considering most of them have bipartisan/nonpartisan mandates, meh.
If it's something like an Obama/Trump first half of first term where the legislative branch is also fully controlled by the party then maybe I'd see the point but that doesn't happen particularly often, and even then someone like Trump didn't really get much of his agenda done in that first half even compared to Obama on the fiscal end of policy. What both presidents did get done were not drastic steps like more than doubling the current minimum wage either. The President theoretically *could* have such an impact depending on who controls Congress/the judiciary but it's not likely especially considering party moderates in Congress and how things swing in midterm elections, but with the country's polarization we could start seeing it happen. But even with Presidents acting with more and more executive power, the things they do tend to effect the country's long-term positions, but economies can be slow in reacting to trends, even in a Coronavirus-like situation (see the current stock market "boom").
But assuming they could, considering IIRC ~40% of people make under that amount, and considering the drastic differences in CoL around the country, it would probably have a somewhat marked short-term impact on the economy, yes. Some level of increase in AD + some inflationary effects + probably some additional unemployment would be most likely.
Post by: IATA on April 28, 2020, 07:58:51 AM
I definitely don't think the economy is healthy right now.
But the stock market doing well does signify faith in the economy recovering and growing
for who? betty on minimum gets no benefit if he bosses stock portfolio increased 3.8%.
stock market means dick to normal people, just a metric to measure how much your bosses are freaking you over.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 08:07:05 AM
I definitely don't think the economy is healthy right now.
But the stock market doing well does signify faith in the economy recovering and growing
No it doesn't. There you go again, thinking that the stock market and the economy are somehow linked.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 08:14:01 AM
The president can't do that. That's part of the reason the president's impact is overrated - they themselves are not acting unilaterally on most of these things, and executive agencies have a much larger impact than people give them credit for. Those agencies are technically an extension of the presidency but considering most of them have bipartisan/nonpartisan mandates, meh.
If it's something like an Obama/Trump first half of first term where the legislative branch is also fully controlled by the party then maybe I'd see the point but that doesn't happen particularly often, and even then someone like Trump didn't really get much of his agenda done in that first half even compared to Obama on the fiscal end of policy. What both presidents did get done were not drastic steps like more than doubling the current minimum wage either. The President theoretically *could* have such an impact depending on who controls Congress/the judiciary but it's not likely especially considering party moderates in Congress and how things swing in midterm elections, but with the country's polarization we could start seeing it happen. But even with Presidents acting with more and more executive power, the things they do tend to effect the country's long-term positions, but economies can be slow in reacting to trends, even in a Coronavirus-like situation (see the current stock market "boom").
But assuming they could, considering IIRC ~40% of people make under that amount, and considering the drastic differences in CoL around the country, it would probably have a somewhat marked short-term impact on the economy, yes. Some level of increase in AD + some inflationary effects + probably some additional unemployment would be most likely.
Ah, OK. That's a slightly better post than your first one. So what you're saying is that the President has the ability to have a profound effect upon the economy in both the short and long term, but that the checks and balances provided by the legislative branch have historically prevented a President from unilaterally doing anything too economically impactful. I understand and agree with that in principle, but I still don't think it's entirely correct. After all, the President's trade tariffs on China were not prevented by the House, nor could they have been; would you say that they were economically unimpactful?
Post by: Jumbo on April 28, 2020, 08:39:05 AM
Ah, OK. That's a slightly better post than your first one. So what you're saying is that the President has the ability to have a profound effect upon the economy in both the short and long term, but that the checks and balances provided by the legislative branch have historically prevented a President from unilaterally doing anything too economically impactful. I understand and agree with that in principle, but I still don't think it's entirely correct. After all, the President's trade tariffs on China were not prevented by the House, nor could they have been; would you say that they were economically unimpactful?
Wow, thank you arbiter of good posts. I'll be sure to take this into account next time I decide to post.
My first post says "generally negligible in the short-term." That doesn't mean never has an impact at any time and doesn't mean they can't do anything. That just means that in general, the president can't and doesn't do that much to move the needle of the economy in the short-term. Tariffs are one example of something they can do to affect the economy, but it's just one thing, and the US hasn't significantly used tariffs for decades until Trump came into office.
Even policies on taxes, healthcare, etc. don't actually tend to have that much short-term impact outside of expectations. In the long-run, the president's policies do tend to have some level of impact, but that's going to be typically after they leave office.
Post by: Pope on April 28, 2020, 09:02:09 AM
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2020, 03:14:34 PM
Even policies on taxes, healthcare, etc. don't actually tend to have that much short-term impact outside of expectations. In the long-run, the president's policies do tend to have some level of impact, but that's going to be typically after they leave office.
I have now personally convinced Jumbo and mj to endorse M4A
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
No it doesn't. There you go again, thinking that the stock market and the economy are somehow linked.
I am of the belief that people controlling all the wealth know more about money than the people who do not. The stock market is based (heavily) on projections of the future and events predicted over the next year. It's not so much a indicator as it is an educated guess.
There's a reason the DOW has been steadily rising instead of sitting at 10k right now.
It's absolutely freaking absurd to assume the economy and the stock market are not linked. But this doesn't mean that the DOW Jones is an ultimate measurement of the economy either
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2020, 04:55:09 PM
for who? betty on minimum gets no benefit if he bosses stock portfolio increased 3.8%.
stock market means dick to normal people, just a metric to measure how much your bosses are freaking you over.
That is in no way shape or form what I said. It's not the stock market rising, it's about why the stock market is rising.
The stock market is a guess or a prediction but can and will be wrong at times. But right now that predictions is the economy won't bleed nearly as bad as ordinary people are thinking.
Post by: Jumbo on April 28, 2020, 05:25:42 PM
I have now personally convinced Jumbo and mj to endorse M4A
you did it reddit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2020, 08:48:19 AM
AYFKM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 09:14:09 AM
Post by: guinness77 on April 29, 2020, 09:42:16 AM
https://twitter.com/reuvenblau/status/1255290725744418816?s=21I hate DeBlasio with a passion, I’ve said it many times but I was just watching his daily briefing and some reporter asked him if he wanted to apologize and he basically refused. And, I agree with him completely, probably for the first time ever. No one, any age group, religion, race, sect, etc are getting proper burials so why should this particular, small, sect of a religion get to do it and then cry racism when the mayor actually does the right thing for once?
AYFKM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 29, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
Post by: Pope on April 29, 2020, 01:08:50 PM
I hate DeBlasio with a passion, I’ve said it many times but I was just watching his daily briefing and some reporter asked him if he wanted to apologize and he basically refused. And, I agree with him completely, probably for the first time ever. No one, any age group, religion, race, sect, etc are getting proper burials so why should this particular, small, sect of a religion get to do it and then cry racism when the mayor actually does the right thing for once?Because if you have anything negative to say about them they will get the ACLU and ADL to lawyer you into oblivion with their fleet of Jews
Post by: IATA on April 29, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 12:23:53 AM
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Since March 1st the death rate from chronic conditions including Diabetes, Heart Disease, Hypertension, and COPD has doubled.
The cause? Patients avoiding medical treatment.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 10:48:14 AM
It's speculated that many other stores will adopt this stance.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
Costco is mandating all customers (in addition to staff) wear masks in its stores.
It's speculated that many other stores will adopt this stance.
Jesus Trader Joe's has been doing this for weeks.
Post by: Pope on April 30, 2020, 10:56:14 AM
Costco is mandating all customers (in addition to staff) wear masks in its stores.Not sure how it is in many places but in my neck of the woods (Bergen County NJ) basically every store has a sign at the entrance that says you cannot enter without a mask
It's speculated that many other stores will adopt this stance.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 10:59:30 AM
Jesus Trader Joe's has been doing this for weeks.
Nationally?
The trader Joe's near me has been one of if not the most extreme example of social distancing measures for a store.
Seems like most stores put tape on the floors and excrement like that. But the trader Joe's here counts the number of people who enter the store and limits it to a really freaking small number (I heard it's 11 people). And apparently there's usually a waiting line of 10-20 minutes to get into the store.
I commend their effort but there's no way I'm sitting in line to go grocery shopping
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
Not sure how it is in many places but in my neck of the woods (Bergen County NJ) basically every store has a sign at the entrance that says you cannot enter without a mask
I don't know how the country as a whole is, but I'd think NY /NJ are probably more extreme examples than the rest of the country.
I'm in Virginia and the stores basically have nothing in place outside of some tape on the floor to show you what 6 feet looks like. And restricting the number of certain items you can buy to prevent hoarding
Post by: Pope on April 30, 2020, 11:11:14 AM
I don't know how the country as a whole is, but I'd think NY /NJ are probably more extreme examples than the rest of the country.I imagine my area (NYC and suburbs) are the most extreme with the likes of California and with good reason. The places that I’ve seen take the limited number of customers approach that I’ve been to personally are Whole Foods, Trader Joe’s, and MicroCenter. I think ShopRite and Stop and Shop may be doing similar but I haven’t been in a few weeks. Smaller stores like 7-11 do not but people seem to be using common sense in regard to social distancing as it’s been in place for about a month and a half? I think... idk losing track of days and weeks at this point.
I'm in Virginia and the stores basically have nothing in place outside of some tape on the floor to show you what 6 feet looks like. And restricting the number of certain items you can buy to prevent hoarding
I will say when I do have to go into NYC it’s been great in regard to traffic and parking which has been nice. City is so quiet these days
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 11:18:40 AM
I don't know how the country as a whole is, but I'd think NY /NJ are probably more extreme examples than the rest of the country.
I'm in Virginia and the stores basically have nothing in place outside of some tape on the floor to show you what 6 feet looks like. And restricting the number of certain items you can buy to prevent hoarding
We have restrictions on the number of people in the store so you have to line up outside, but it's actually pretty nice - stand in the sun for 20 minutes reading my phone, then go into a really quiet and well stocked store, then go straight to a cashier with little or no lineup. I don't feel like groceries take any longer to do than they used to, but it's a much more relaxing experience. The only thing you can't do is the quick ten minute trip to the store to pick up that one thing you need.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2020, 11:25:03 AM
LoL @ anyone who says they "wouldn't" wait in line for groceries. You sure as excrement will when every single store requires it and everyone else is doing the same thing. It's not fun, but if you need food, you do what you gotta do.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2020, 11:29:30 AM
The only complaint I'd have is that they should just share the damn thing if it proves viable. Let everyone produce it and let's get rid of this excrement sooner rather than later.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 11:51:12 AM
We have restrictions on the number of people in the store so you have to line up outside, but it's actually pretty nice - stand in the sun for 20 minutes reading my phone, then go into a really quiet and well stocked store, then go straight to a cashier with little or no lineup. I don't feel like groceries take any longer to do than they used to, but it's a much more relaxing experience. The only thing you can't do is the quick ten minute trip to the store to pick up that one thing you need.
Exactly, I find I have the same experience.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 11:52:00 AM
Every store around me (Queens, NY) has been outside queueing and requiring masks for weeks.
LoL @ anyone who says they "wouldn't" wait in line for groceries. You sure as excrement will when every single store requires it and everyone else is doing the same thing. It's not fun, but if you need food, you do what you gotta do.
DCM is far too important to wait for superficial things like safety and peace of mind.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2020, 11:57:59 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 11:59:18 AM
I go to the grocery store fully nude. No one gets within 12 feet of me.
That's because you smell like animal excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 11:59:33 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
I go to the grocery store fully nude. No one gets within 12 feet of me.
This is brilliant. Will try this weekend.
Post by: Pope on April 30, 2020, 12:18:48 PM
This is brilliant. Will try this weekend.Please be safe and wear a rubber mask on your rooster at least
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 12:39:26 PM
DCM is far too important to wait for superficial things like safety and peace of mind.
I work in a freaking ICU lol.
Standing in line with people for 20 minutes makes me far more likely to kill all of them.
And considering where I work, I'm sure not concerned about my personal safety at the grocery store.
Not to mention I usually do my grocery shopping at 5 am, although stores stopped opening early so now I have to go at 7.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2020, 04:46:15 PM
https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09 (https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09)
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2020, 05:09:41 PM
So a group of armed protestors have sntered the Michigan capitol.Snake Plissken?
https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09 (https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09)
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 05:11:02 PM
So a group of armed protestors have sntered the Michigan capitol.
https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09 (https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09)
So... terrorists.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2020, 05:35:45 PM
So... terrorists.
Well they haven't started shooting yet but that's probably more accurate.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 08:52:33 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/boober-eats-lucky-devil-lounge-strip-club-covid-19-coronavirus-quarantine-971544/amp/
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 09:05:38 PM
I work at a very large level 1 trauma center state hospital. They jsut told us they're furloughing the managers and assistant managers of the ICU to save a few bucks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2020, 09:15:40 PM
Also on a side note.
I work at a very large level 1 trauma center state hospital. They jsut told us they're furloughing the managers and assistant managers of the ICU to save a few bucks.
Jeez, I'm sorry man. I'm sure the trickle-down is going to hurt. Do you work in the ICU?
Stay safe.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 09:33:06 PM
Jeez, I'm sorry man. I'm sure the trickle-down is going to hurt. Do you work in the ICU?
Stay safe.
Yep I switched to the ICU this recent year, helluva time for a change in scenery.
So far the hosptial has given all doctors a 20% paycut, furloughed most of the assistive staff, and cut the pay of all nurses respiratory therapist etc under the shady guise of no longer making 401k contributions on their behalf (effectively a 200 ish dollar a paycheck paycut).
Staff are getting ready to leave in droves. Which will leave a major medical institution losing a tremendous amount of experience. Which will have the greatest impact on its ED ICU and OR and will take years to recover from.
I'm not tethered to the area in anyway just experiencing life so it doesn't freak me that much (other than the nuisence of having me considering other opportunities) But for people with family or homes in the area that can't move far for work. Or people dependent on the institution for healthcare, they're going to get absolutely fucked royally.
Honestly the job was a ton of fun before all this excrement, but I don't feel like wading through their bullshit for the next two years. So if I get furloughed (which I don't see happening) I'm canceling my lease immediately and ain't heading back there when their volume picks up.
Post by: Pope on May 01, 2020, 12:29:00 AM
Yep I switched to the ICU this recent year, helluva time for a change in scenery.Sorry to hear brother. This is a tough time.
So far the hosptial has given all doctors a 20% paycut, furloughed most of the assistive staff, and cut the pay of all nurses respiratory therapist etc under the shady guise of no longer making 401k contributions on their behalf (effectively a 200 ish dollar a paycheck paycut).
Staff are getting ready to leave in droves. Which will leave a major medical institution losing a tremendous amount of experience. Which will have the greatest impact on its ED ICU and OR and will take years to recover from.
I'm not tethered to the area in anyway just experiencing life so it doesn't freak me that much (other than the nuisence of having me considering other opportunities) But for people with family or homes in the area that can't move far for work. Or people dependent on the institution for healthcare, they're going to get absolutely fucked royally.
Honestly the job was a ton of fun before all this excrement, but I don't feel like wading through their bullshit for the next two years. So if I get furloughed (which I don't see happening) I'm canceling my lease immediately and ain't heading back there when their volume picks up.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2020, 12:45:01 AM
Sorry to hear brother. This is a tough time.
Oh I'm not bitching or comiserating (at least not the intended effect, plus for now it's only a fairly small pay cut for me, although staffing and work conditions will certainly be more tumultuous )
It's just mind boggling how that during one of the most significant pandemics of the modern age hospitals would literally do everything in their power to freak themselves and their patients.
To me I can easily pack up my excrement and move. But a lot of patients and staff are going to get fucked for years because of this.
Post by: guinness77 on May 01, 2020, 11:16:54 AM
So a group of armed protestors have sntered the Michigan capitol.https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENmIJVmACSoIgRaB8IcsvcIqLQgEKiUIACIbd3d3LmJ1c2luZXNzaW5zaWRlci5jb20vc2FpKgQICjAMMJD-CQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09 (https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947?s=09)
Don’t worry, our fearless leader said they’re “very nice people” and that the governor should “work with them.” There ya go. No big deal.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2020, 02:02:28 PM
Oh I'm not bitching or comiserating (at least not the intended effect, plus for now it's only a fairly small pay cut for me, although staffing and work conditions will certainly be more tumultuous )
It's just mind boggling how that during one of the most significant pandemics of the modern age hospitals would literally do everything in their power to freak themselves and their patients.
To me I can easily pack up my excrement and move. But a lot of patients and staff are going to get fucked for years because of this.
Sickening. Again, please stay safe.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2020, 02:37:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW9JGB2XQAILF0z?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENmIJVmACSoIgRaB8IcsvcIqLQgEKiUIACIbd3d3LmJ1c2luZXNzaW5zaWRlci5jb20vc2FpKgQICjAMMJD-CQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Don’t worry, our fearless leader said they’re “very nice people” and that the governor should “work with them.” There ya go. No big deal.
This is your reminder that the crisis actor group organizing the Michigan bullshit is funded by Betsy DeVos.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
There's a bunch of freaking idiots protesting something with children no masks etc in Commack, fucktards. Who would have believed Charlie Darwin could have come to America instead of the far away islands of western South America..... freaking jerkoffs one and allPeople are protesting in Huntington Beach right now, too. Probably over 1,000 people based on the pictures. All because the beaches are closed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2020, 06:13:53 PM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2020, 06:26:32 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
Oooof. Photoshop or not.Tapatalk denigrated the image quality in my post, here's the original
https://twitter.com/Dennis_Kosuth/status/1256309653455003648?s=09
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2020, 06:59:55 PM
Post by: guinness77 on May 01, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
JB?Governor of Illinois.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200501/da5a39d817061882443d10e1ae25c95b.jpg)
To be fair the very first comment is
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Jason Bruderer
@JasonWeyandt
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1h
Replying to
@Dennis_Kosuth
and
@chrislhayes
It means "Work sets you free" but thank you for insinuating that all Germans and even the German language is evil and related to Hitler. Because that's definitely not racist.
Post by: guinness77 on May 01, 2020, 07:51:34 PM
To be fair the very first comment isAlso, written on an entrance wall at Auschwitz, but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2020, 07:51:45 PM
Tapatalk denigrated the image quality in my post, here's the original
https://twitter.com/Dennis_Kosuth/status/1256309653455003648?s=09
...WOW...
Kären...
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2020, 08:00:51 PM
Also, written on an entrance wall at Auschwitz, but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.
Didn't know that, ok so she's probably antisemitic
Post by: Pope on May 01, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
Didn't know that, ok so she's probably antisemiticThe best kind of semetic
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2020, 08:05:22 PM
Also, written on an entrance wall at Auschwitz, but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.
Not just on a wall, literally the slogan on the gates of Auschwitz and Dachau.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Eingangstor_des_KZ_Auschwitz%2C_Arbeit_macht_frei_%282007%29.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 10:17:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 10:43:47 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2020, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2020, 08:43:04 AM
To be fair the very first comment isDo you just naturally gravitate to the most inane take on anything
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2020, 09:44:20 AM
Do you just naturally gravitate to the most inane take on anything
Someone's got to be the devils advocate
Post by: Jumbo on May 02, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2020, 12:47:26 PM
We drove down to the southside this morning to grab some coffee and there's still a fair amount of protesters around the capitol building.
There's a huge sign downtown near the bar and restaurant strip that says "People Over Profit" and the majority of those businesses will not open to the public. They will only serve take out until at least June 1. These are the places that will get my money this month and beyond.
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2020, 02:09:46 PM
Austin is hilarious right now.Why do you hate the economy?
We drove down to the southside this morning to grab some coffee and there's still a fair amount of protesters around the capitol building.
There's a huge sign downtown near the bar and restaurant strip that says "People Over Profit" and the majority of those businesses will not open to the public. They will only serve take out until at least June 1. These are the places that will get my money this month and beyond.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2020, 02:13:20 PM
Why do you hate the economy?
I want the city to crumble so I can afford a house in a nice neighborhood.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2020, 02:38:39 PM
I want the city to crumble so I can afford a house in a nice neighborhood.Heismanburg, TX has a ring to it if real estate gets cheap enough. Home of tacos and extremely muscular intramural flag football players.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
Cutting the salary of someone literally researching a treatment/vaccine for COVID19 by 20% is such a major freak you lol.
And I'd wager it's a safe bet that many other major academic medical centers are doing likewise.
Could see a major brain drain in certain regions in the near future
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2020, 08:27:33 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2020, 08:57:34 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2020, 09:01:10 AM
Do these people not realize how many Favor deliveries they could be making during the time they’re wasting driving 5 MPH on the highways?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
Heismanburg, TX has a ring to it if real estate gets cheap enough. Home of tacos and extremely muscular intramural flag football players.
insanity would not be allowed here
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2020, 09:03:53 AM
https://twitter.com/thestalwart/status/1256648867925446657?s=21Well yeah, someone called that it was just a bs excuse to stop offering business relief loans and unemployment benefits. Taking pressure off the state budget and putting it on businesses and individuals.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2020, 09:04:36 AM
insanity would not be allowed hereDcm Street would be the rich part of town where people saved their cap space.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2020, 09:08:41 AM
Well yeah, someone called that it was just a bs excuse to stop offering business relief loans and unemployment benefits. Taking pressure off the state budget and putting it on businesses and individuals."My Punky Brewster larping bidness is essenchul!! My terrible business idea isn't at fault for me not makin' bank bro!"
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Dcm Street would be the rich part of town where people saved their cap space.
Living well is the best revenge
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2020, 09:16:17 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 03, 2020, 10:14:27 AM
I didn't think about states trying to push benefits off by reopening. I guess you should always look for an ulterior motive. I figured it was just trying to get votes and caving to aggressive opinions.
I don't buy this
When businesses ultimately reopen and collapse those jobs will likely be gone for years.
Short term bandaids for long term pain.
Not to mention opening things up means more poor people will be disproportionately affected who will ultimately end up with Corona in the hospital without insurance leaving the state with an even bigger bill
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 03, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 03, 2020, 04:27:47 PM
I wonder how many of the protestors screaming are in Cops' faces in Michigan and California used to post Blue Lives Matter excrement on Facebook and Twitter.
All of them
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2020, 05:49:14 PM
I don't buy thisCounterpoint: Kemp is an idiot
When businesses ultimately reopen and collapse those jobs will likely be gone for years.
Short term bandaids for long term pain.
Not to mention opening things up means more poor people will be disproportionately affected who will ultimately end up with Corona in the hospital without insurance leaving the state with an even bigger bill
Post by: dcm1602 on May 03, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
Counterpoint: Kemp is an idiot
Are any politicians not?
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2020, 07:55:15 PM
Are any politicians not?Abe Lincoln
Post by: dcm1602 on May 03, 2020, 08:02:37 PM
Abe Lincoln
Dude didn't even get re-elected
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2020, 08:16:48 PM
Dude didn't even get re-electedIf he was running right now, his corpse could get elected.
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
Are any politicians not?Muh both sides
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2020, 08:49:25 PM
Muh both sides
Rich coming from you
Post by: Jumbo on May 03, 2020, 09:04:36 PM
Dude didn't even get re-elected
literally he did tho
Post by: Miamipuck on May 03, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
literally he did thoYeah he did lol
His 2nd inauguration speech was famous :"With malice toward none, with charity for all...."
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 03, 2020, 11:22:05 PM
Dude didn't even get re-elected
You are not smart.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2020, 12:35:40 AM
You are not smart.
🤷♂️
Post by: mj2sexay on May 04, 2020, 04:04:58 AM
Tapatalk denigrated the image quality in my post, here's the original
https://twitter.com/Dennis_Kosuth/status/1256309653455003648?s=09
Christ these people are freaking embarrassing.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2020, 10:35:35 AM
Rich coming from youAll politicians are dumb =/= both party institutions are bad
One of these is true and leaves room for nuance
One is an excuse to not care and the other is a result of having material standards for politicians
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2020, 10:48:18 AM
is this a political thread now?Everything is. Trump wants to keep Marcus Maye.
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2020, 10:55:58 AM
#HelloDarknessMyOldFriend
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2020, 11:04:36 AM
We had 1 last Arbys location in Wpg...they've decided not to reopen even after the pandemic.
#HelloDarknessMyOldFriend
Now you'll have to enter the reservation for some Horsey sauce
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2020, 11:06:33 AM
We had 1 last Arbys location in Wpg...they've decided not to reopen even after the pandemic.Hope Solo pics will get you through the roast beef absence.
#HelloDarknessMyOldFriend
Post by: guinness77 on May 04, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
Hope Solo pics will get you through the roast beef absence.Please...don’t.
Don’t remind me that those pics exist. Ever.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2020, 11:36:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
jesus
Post by: guinness77 on May 04, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
Hope Solo w/ horsey sauceI just threw up in my mouth. Thanks
jesus
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
I just threw up in my mouth. Thanks
Misery loves company, babbie.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2020, 11:48:55 AM
Please...don’t.
Don’t remind me that those pics exist. Ever.
This is your subtle way of letting everyone know to text you those pics of Hope Solo, pre labia surgury.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2020, 11:52:49 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
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The Trump administration projects that the number of coronavirus deaths will increase to about 3,000 each day by early June, The New York Times reported Monday, citing an internal report.
The interagency report from the Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services also reportedly forecasts that the U.S. will see about 200,000 new Covid-19 cases each day by the end of the month, a significant rise from the current rate.
200,000 new cases a freaking day is absolutely nuts
Post by: guinness77 on May 04, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
The freak is wrong with this place that you guys would rather bitch about Trump than even think vaout gnaked pictures of a hot derriere female athlete and her vagina.Please, by all means, google Hope Solo.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2020, 12:22:59 PM
SHE'S GOT THE MEATSNooooooo hahaha
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2020, 12:25:46 PM
Please, by all means, google Hope Solo.
90% of people on this board would be up that like a rat up a drainpipe if the opportunity presented itself. Me included.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2020, 12:28:10 PM
90% of people on this board would be up that like a rat up a drainpipe if the opportunity presented itself. Me included.You are correct, but it's better to actually laugh than pretend any of us have a chance (except JFIF, 6/10 #tanisntevenelbowangletoolow)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
90% of people on this board would be up that like a rat up a drainpipe if the opportunity presented itself. Me included.
I'm assuming the other 10% prefers a different slab of meat
Post by: guinness77 on May 04, 2020, 12:55:47 PM
90% of people on this board would be up that like a rat up a drainpipe if the opportunity presented itself. Me included.I don’t know. She is pretty for sure but I’ve never encountered anything like that before. I don’t know how I’d react.
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2020, 01:06:33 PM
90% of people on this board would be up that like a rat up a drainpipe if the opportunity presented itself. Me included.
Hope Solo's (no relation to Han) vagina was great in Return of the Jedi
(https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/star-wars-the-last-jedi-sarlacc-pit-tall.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2020, 03:24:00 PM
very cool, normal stuff
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/What a stupid way to ruin your life. I imagine it'll make a great story in prison. What are you in for? Didn't want to wear a mask.
very cool, normal stuff
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2020, 05:01:27 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 05, 2020, 04:23:56 AM
Typical Trumpers carrying guns and not wearing masks
I'm not sure if you're kidding, but I am enjoying how desperately blue check twitter and the like is going to try to link this shooting to Drumpf.
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2020, 06:40:48 AM
According to WHO, 8 vaccines are currently entered in the human trial stages and there are another 94 in development.
Post by: Pope on May 05, 2020, 08:05:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2020, 08:11:50 AM
I want the vaccine that boosts my autism
strawberry or banana flavor?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 05, 2020, 08:28:08 AM
We had 1 last Arbys location in Wpg...they've decided not to reopen even after the pandemic.
#HelloDarknessMyOldFriend
....good?
Post by: MBGreen on May 05, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
....good?
nein
Post by: delavan on May 05, 2020, 03:04:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0j27_LoFq8
Post by: IATA on May 05, 2020, 04:26:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 05, 2020, 04:46:02 PM
Just received this from a friend, not sure if it's Tin Foil Alley or what but this Nick Nolte lookalike scientist makes an "o/b/o big Pharma" coverup claim against Dr. Fauci and Bill Gate$ and how college research are veritable 'crack heads' in search of intellectual property right$ ..fwiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0j27_LoFq8
Let's start with the first line, delivered in the first 15 seconds:
"Dr Judy Mikovits has been called one of the most accomplished scientists of her generation"
Let's see, shall we?
Actually it would appear that Dr Judy Mikovits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits) is an anti-vax proponent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovitshttps://www.vcstar.com/story/news/local/2019/07/05/vaccine-skeptics-ventura-county-exemption-proposal/1578309001/) who makes (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964727) repeatedly debunked (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204766) bullshit claims (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008728) and was arrested for stealing (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/11/controversial-cfs-researcher-arrested-and-jailed) from the employer who canned her as a result.
Think I probably won't bother with the remaining 25 minutes.
Post by: Johnny English on May 05, 2020, 05:35:37 PM
https://gizmodo.com/trump-admin-gives-coronavirus-tracking-contract-to-pete-1842994647
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 05, 2020, 08:06:46 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 05, 2020, 08:31:16 PM
I can't see anything here to be alarmed about.
https://gizmodo.com/trump-admin-gives-coronavirus-tracking-contract-to-pete-1842994647
While it's clearly nepotism, that's how all politicians work
Post by: dcm1602 on May 05, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
The healthcare industry probably needs socialized medicine more than ever right now. Because I don't know how hospitals will make up deficits which will end up well over 100 billion when this is all over, if not already past that mark.
And hospitals are cutting corners in insane ways right now, in ways purely financial and unrelated to Corona
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 06, 2020, 06:58:06 AM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257814281330069504
Trump looks like me at work, pretending to know what I’m doing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 06, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/
very cool, normal stuff
Typical Trumpers carrying guns and not wearing masks
I'm not sure if you're kidding, but I am enjoying how desperately blue check twitter and the like is going to try to link this shooting to Drumpf.
Quote
CNN) Three family members have been charged in the killing of a security guard who told a customer at a Michigan Family Dollar store to wear a state-mandated face mask, officials said on Monday.
Calvin Munerlyn, 43, died at a Flint hospital after he was shot in the head Friday, said Michigan State Police Lt. David Kaiser.
Ramonyea Travon Bishop, 23, Larry Edward Teague, 44, and Sharmel Lashe Teague, 45, have been charged with first-degree premeditated murder, along with other charges, the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office said in a statement on Monday.
Sharmel and Larry Teague are married, and Bishop is Sharmel's son, according to the prosecutor's office.
"From all indications, Mr. Munerlyn was simply doing his job in upholding the Governor's Executive Order related to the COVID-19 pandemic for the safety of store employees and customers," Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said in the statement.
Munerlyn got into a verbal altercation with Sharmel Teague after telling Teague's daughter she needed a mask, according to the prosecutor's office. Surveillance video confirms the incident, Leyton said.
Sharmel Teague's daughter left the store, but "Teague began yelling at Munerlyn who then told her to leave the store and instructed a cashier not to serve her," the prosecutor's office said.
Under an executive order from Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, all retail employees and customers have to wear a mask.
Footage also shows that immediately after the altercation, the woman left in an SUV. But about 20 minutes later, the SUV returned.
Two men -- identified as Bishop and Larry Teague -- entered the store, according to the statement. One of them yelled at Munerlyn about disrespecting his wife, Leyton said. The other man, later identified as Bishop, then allegedly shot the security guard, the statement said.
"This is senseless. Over a mask. Over a mask?" Munerlyn's cousin, Tina James, told CNN affiliate WJRT. "This is not the way to do things right now. We need to come together."
Police are looking for Larry Teague and Bishop, the prosecutor's office said.
Sharmel Teague is in custody and awaiting arraignment on her charges in 67th District Court.
In addition to the murder charge, Bishop also faces charges of felony firearm and carrying a concealed weapon, the prosecutor's office said.
Larry Teague also faces two felony firearm-related charges, one charge of a felon in possession of a firearm, one charge of carrying a concealed weapon, and one of violating the governor's executive order, according to the prosecutor's office.
Sharmel Teague also faces a felony firearm charge, the statement said. She doesn't have a lawyer yet, John Potbury, deputy chief assistant prosecutor of Genesee County, told CNN.
Trump’s America smh
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2020, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2020, 11:08:23 PM
Pence could filet a baby he suspected of being gay on live TV and dcm would say "well that's politics for ya."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/15/joe-bidens-brother-and-son-have-a-long-history-of-profiting-off-his-name/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/warroom.org/quid-pro-joe-biden-iraq/%3famp
Just a 1.5billion dollar housing contract for Joe Biden brother in Iraq. Sure it had to do nothing with his brother though
The Democrat running for freaking president has built his families legacy off of it.
It's 100% grotesque nepotism bullshit. I'm not defending Trump at all, he's 100% guilty of it. But nobody can take the high road when the guy he's running against has done the exact same thing his entire career
Post by: Jumbo on May 06, 2020, 11:18:32 PM
Pence could filet a baby he suspected of being gay on live TV and dcm would say "well that's politics for ya."
that's not fair, he'd at least send it to a re-education camp first
Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2020, 11:44:39 PM
What better way to say thank you
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 07:27:32 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/15/joe-bidens-brother-and-son-have-a-long-history-of-profiting-off-his-name/amp/I guess this would be a relevant retort if I had ever said something positive about Joe Biden.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/warroom.org/quid-pro-joe-biden-iraq/%3famp
Just a 1.5billion dollar housing contract for Joe Biden brother in Iraq. Sure it had to do nothing with his brother though
The Democrat running for freaking president has built his families legacy off of it.
It's 100% grotesque nepotism bullshit. I'm not defending Trump at all, he's 100% guilty of it. But nobody can take the high road when the guy he's running against has done the exact same thing his entire career
When you limit the acceptable range of the political spectrum to be about half a degree apart you shouldn't be surprised when everything looks like the same excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2020, 08:01:08 AM
A document created by the nation’s top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during the still-raging outbreak has been shelved by the Trump administration.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2020, 10:37:08 AM
Trump's personal valet got da rona
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 12:53:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 01:01:38 PM
https://www.kron4.com/news/alcohol-pot-delivered-to-homeless-isolating-in-san-francisco-hotel-rooms/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
I think there are a couple of potential factors there that hide behind the headline.
1. Withdrawal from alcohol can be very dangerous, the symptoms can literally kill someone
2. If they don't get their "medication" delivered then they'll likely go out on the street to find it, which defeats the point of isolating them
It makes for a nice salacious story, but it might just be the lesser of the two evils.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 03:04:15 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 03:07:34 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/anactualwalnut/status/1257510660084248576
Is this guy's suggestion that people who find a cure for COVID19 are going to be bumped off because, I dunno, some kind of mysterious forces don't want it cured?
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 09:05:14 PM
Is this guy's suggestion that people who find a cure for COVID19 are going to be bumped off because, I dunno, some kind of mysterious forces don't want it cured?The same mysterious forces that the protesters believe are intentionally trying to destroy the economy with a hoax virus.
Good conspiracy theories establish cui bono, these are just nonsense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 09:13:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 09:08:52 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2020, 09:22:37 AM
Oregon's governor just cancelled large events (including sporting events) through September
I believe with large crowds was key language
Though I understand what you mean
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
I believe with large crowds was key languageJets games will be exempt then.
Though I understand what you mean
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2020, 12:28:02 PM
https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
Post by: MBGreen on May 11, 2020, 10:32:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2020, 10:43:33 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 11, 2020, 12:13:29 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/anglo-american-coronavirus-crisis
I stopped at "racist travel ban."
Post by: delavan on May 11, 2020, 01:55:22 PM
I stopped at "racist travel ban."
I kept reading (with the Guardian, expect the expected). ; )
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
I stopped at "racist travel ban."JE needs to include trigger warnings for Puck next time
Post by: Heismanberg on May 11, 2020, 03:16:28 PM
JE needs to include trigger warnings for Puck next time
Puck got tested for COVID after watching Okja
Turns out his symptoms were just the AIDS he contracted from The Guardian
Post by: mj2sexay on May 11, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
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They must blame other countries and international institutions – the EU, WHO, Nato – for the feelings of helplessness experienced by their own citizens. The swagger is a facade. Behind it hides a rotting national landscape.
Remember when the WHO delayed issuing a pandemic warning at the behest of China for 6 weeks.
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2020, 04:53:46 PM
JE needs to include trigger warnings for Puck next time
The trigger warning was in who was posting it.
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2020, 05:12:34 PM
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Imaginary enemies were erected and fake fights confected as both countries pugnaciously went about severing their ties with other nations and international institutions.
...
This is corrosive stuff – not only to the quality of public debate, but to the calibre of politicians. When the business of government becomes limited to populist set pieces, its ranks are purged of doers and populated instead with cheerleaders.
This isn't just well written, it's exactly freaking right. Still though, it's a typical lefty, picking on right wing ideologues like, er, "Barack Obama and Gordon Brown".
Post by: Miamipuck on May 11, 2020, 09:56:58 PM
The trigger warning was in who was posting it.
Nope I read lots of stuff I don't necessarily agree with, but if you're going to write patently stupid derriere worthless crap like a flight ban from China is racist, I don't have to read the rest, it's pure Bullshit.
That's different from saying other stuff like many of Trumps followers are racist or he can appear facist at times. That's not false like an obvious flight ban is racist is but here we are.
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 12:25:53 AM
Nope I read lots of stuff I don't necessarily agree with, but if you're going to write patently stupid derriere worthless crap like a flight ban from China is racist, I don't have to read the rest, it's pure Bullshit.I feel like you misunderstood that particular bit.
That's different from saying other stuff like many of Trumps followers are racist or he can appear facist at times. That's not false like an obvious flight ban is racist is but here we are.
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 12:28:05 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 12, 2020, 12:38:47 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 01:30:02 AM
I feel like you misunderstood that particular bit.
Yeah I didn't.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 01:31:16 AM
Mitch McConnell is a piece of excrement.
He's about the biggest scumbag in government today.
Post by: delavan on May 12, 2020, 09:45:34 AM
He's about the biggest scumbag in government today.Next door, Nancy's about the biggest funbags in government today.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2020, 10:38:38 AM
Next door, Nancy's about the biggest funbags in government today.
DELAVAN FROM DOWNTOWNNNNN
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 10:43:40 AM
Next door, Nancy's about the biggest funbags in government today.
Those 2 are front and center of why we need term limits.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 11:12:02 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-10/where-did-the-virus-come-from-scientists-race-to-find-origin?sref=vhot0ogi (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-10/where-did-the-virus-come-from-scientists-race-to-find-origin?sref=vhot0ogi)
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What We Don’t Know About Coronavirus Origins Might Kill Us.
The best minds in virology are trying to unravel a mystery: How did a lethal coronavirus jump from the wilds of rural China to major human population centers? And what chain of genetic mutations produced a pathogen so perfectly adapted for stealth and mass transmission?
Deciphering the creation story of SARS-CoV-2, as the virus now rampaging around the globe is known, is a crucial step toward arresting a pandemic that’s killed 270,000-plus and triggered what could be the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.
While crash vaccine programs are underway in the U.S., Europe and China, an inoculation to ward off the virus may not be ready for months, and the jury’s out on potential treatments. In the meantime, to reduce the risk of deadly secondary outbreaks or the emergence of an entirely new strain, disease chasers need to retrace the pathogen’s journey around the globe. That means heading back to China, where it all started sometime in 2019.
Last week, the World Health Organization sought permission from Beijing to send a new scientific mission for more epidemiological detective work. China, which let a WHO team into the country in early February as its epidemic raged, hasn’t yet signed off.
President Xi Jinping, who’s personally overseeing China’s virus response and investigation into how the outbreak started, is keeping tight control over Chinese scientific research, which must be approved prior to publication by authorities, according to two people familiar with the situation.
However, as death tolls and joblessness rise worldwide, pressure on Beijing is intensifying to allow international researchers back in to interview survivors, do field work, and examine virus samples that the country has been stingy about sharing, according to the U.S.
Nearly half a year into a historic global health crisis, there are still enormous gaps in our knowledge. Those unanswered questions are hampering our ability to contain the outbreak and to prevent future pandemics, while fueling a war of words between the U.S. and China over the origins of the virus.
Roughly 70% of emerging infectious diseases in humans are zoonotic, or transmitted from animals to people. Genome sequencing of SARS-CoV-2 shows it’s related to two other deadly coronaviruses that originated in bats.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome, which started in China in 2002, and Middle East respiratory syndrome a decade later spread to humans via a secondary animal source. In the case of SARS, experts pointed to civet cats—small, sleek nocturnal mammals used in wildlife dishes in China—as the probable conduit. With MERS, camels are believed to be the carrier.
It’s presumed that SARS-CoV-2 has made a similar journey, yet investigators have yet to identify an intermediate animal host, according to Peter Ben Embarek, a WHO food safety and animal diseases expert. “We have some kind of a missing link in that story between the origin of the virus and when it started to circulate in humans,” he said.
Household Pets
That raises the disturbing possibility that an unknown animal source is still spreading the disease, known as Covid-19. WHO researchers reported Friday that household cats can transmit the virus to other felines, though there’s no evidence yet that pets can pass it along to humans.
Standing in the way of a new scientific mission to learn more about the origins of the virus in China are practical issues of conducting impartial investigations in an authoritarian political system—and a U.S.-China geopolitical rivalry that’s turned especially acrimonious of late.
The Trump administration has accused Beijing of a massive cover-up about the severity of its epidemic. It has claimed, without providing evidence, that an accidental leak of the virus might have occurred at a bio-research lab in Wuhan, the city in central China where the outbreak was first identified. A Chinese official, in a tweet, accused the U.S. military of introducing the pathogen to the country.
Scientists who have studied the genetics of the virus are convinced it’s of natural origin rather than designed in a lab. An accidental release from the research center in Wuhan is possible in theory, but “just so implausible,” according to Stanley Perlman, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Iowa, who has visited the facility and rates it highly.
One reason is the reputation of Shi Zhengli, a 56-year-old deputy director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. In 2004, Shi found a natural reservoir of coronaviruses in bat caves near Kunming, a city in China’s southern Yunnan province. In February she published a paper in the journal Nature saying that the genomic sequence of the new pathogen was 96% identical to that of a coronavirus identified in Yunnan.
Shi told Scientific American that a review of genetic characteristics of viruses she’s worked with in the lab didn’t match those of the coronavirus spreading in humans. In a social media post the virologist said she would “swear on my life” the pathogen causing havoc had nothing to do with her lab. U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has backed off earlier claims of “enormous evidence” that the virus escaped from a Wuhan laboratory.
That still leaves scientists asking where and how the virus did jump into humans. So-called wet markets that sell live animals, like one in Wuhan to which many of the first cases of the illness were traced, have previously been implicated in the spread of disease. In this case, however, experts aren’t sure whether the outbreak actually started at the market, or was just discovered there.
Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist at nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance, said it’s likely that Covid-19 began before the December starting point currently assumed, perhaps even outside of Wuhan. He estimates that 1 million to 7 million people every year in Southern China and Southeast Asia may get infected with bat viruses. Most don’t spread readily between people and many fizzle out before reaching major population centers, he said.
“This particular outbreak probably was in people circulating in South or Central China back in November” or even earlier, he said.
Another scenario envisions someone closely tied to the wildlife trade bringing infected animals to the Wuhan market. Once the virus reached the flourishing megacity of 11 million, it grew exponentially.
Another crucial question is whether the virus moved to humans directly from bats or through a secondary source. If it’s the latter, the farmed or wild animal may still be spreading the infection. Pangolins—scale-covered mammals that look a bit like anteaters—have been suggested as one possibility, though the evidence is preliminary. If Covid-19 came directly from bats, it’s crucial to nail down where this happened, so that the authorities can institute preventive measures, such as keeping people out of the caves in which the flying mammals dwell.
Figuring out all of this will take plenty of scientific detective work. Viruses constantly incur small mutations in their genetic material. By following a trail of genetically similar versions, disease trackers can identify the progression of the pandemic through time. “Counting the mutations, you can kind of backtrack your virus to where it all started,” said WHO animal virus expert Embarek.
Tracing back the virus to its ultimate origin will also take cooperation from the Chinese government—and a bit of luck. Investigators will need unfettered access to the Wuhan market, its wildlife vendors, patient data and animal population.
Yet the price of keeping SARS-CoV-2’s origins shrouded in secrecy would be steep. If the current crisis has taught us anything, it’s this: As human populations expand and encroach on wildlife habitats, the risk from dangerous animal viruses continues to grow. And in an interconnected world, epidemics that were previously localized can race around the globe with blinding speed.
Without better research and surveillance systems of emerging animal viruses and regulation of traditional markets and wildlife trade worldwide, the risks of future pandemics runs high.
“If we don’t do anything, if we continue what we have been doing for the past 50 years,” said Daszak, “there will be another one.”
— With assistance by Steven Yang, and Drew Armstrong
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 12, 2020, 12:17:42 PM
Those 2 are front and center of why we need term limits.You talking about her hooters or Chuck and Nancy?
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
You talking about her hooters or Chuck and Nancy?
Yes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2020, 02:20:09 PM
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Breaking: Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1260275851804864512?s=21
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 08:08:27 AM
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1261048907880181761?s=19
Post by: Miamipuck on May 15, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
This looks normal and fun
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1261048907880181761?s=19
Hahaha back in the day I occasionally played poker there. It's an old horse track. That's pretty pathetic playing under those conditions.
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 10:08:12 AM
Hahaha back in the day I occasionally played poker there. It's an old horse track. That's pretty pathetic playing under those conditions.REOPEN MY FINANCIALLY CRIPPLING ADDICTION
Post by: Heismanberg on May 15, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
REOPEN MY FINANCIALLY CRIPPLING ADDICTION
lmao
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 19, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200519/f390a058567ad944aa8ad9ebde791e9b.jpg)Wasn’t that from Hereditary?
Jesus
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2020, 07:15:54 PM
Wasn’t that from Hereditary?That's the joke
Jesus
Post by: MBGreen on May 19, 2020, 07:21:00 PM
That's the jokeIt’s still awful
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
Wait for it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2472683/a-karen-wears-a-facemask-for-probably-45-min-and-goes-on-facebook-live-for-a-full-reportmeltdown
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2473148/you-freaking-poopchute-you-freaking-devil-karen-goes-ballistic-on-store-manager-over-absolutely-nothing
Karens are having a normal one
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2020, 11:20:42 AM
Mother’s Day Karen
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 21, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
Hahaha back in the day I occasionally played poker there. It's an old horse track. That's pretty pathetic playing under those conditions.This could change down the line, but as of now, I don't see myself playing live poker anytime soon. 4-6 handed tables like that does not seem fun to me, especially since when I go, I play tournaments.
Online poker is as good as it's been since the government essentially banned it.
Post by: insanity on May 21, 2020, 05:43:48 PM
https://twitter.com/wfla/status/1263151369436958720?s=21I'm missing the joke, help.
Wait for it
Post by: insanity on May 21, 2020, 05:44:13 PM
https://twitter.com/twmentality1/status/1262120746438066176?s=21
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2472683/a-karen-wears-a-facemask-for-probably-45-min-and-goes-on-facebook-live-for-a-full-reportmeltdown
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2473148/you-freaking-poopchute-you-freaking-devil-karen-goes-ballistic-on-store-manager-over-absolutely-nothing
Karens are having a normal one
God forgive these people had to deal with real issues.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 21, 2020, 06:17:34 PM
This could change down the line, but as of now, I don't see myself playing live poker anytime soon. 4-6 handed tables like that does not seem fun to me, especially since when I go, I play tournaments.
Online poker is as good as it's been since the government essentially banned it.
Online can't be as lucrative as it used to be from 2001 to 2007 it was a freaking atm. I had a excrement-ton of money frozen in Netteller, which used to be an awesome site. If I find Senator Friss I am going to freak that guy up.
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2020, 06:20:10 PM
I'm missing the joke, help.Maybe the part where he boasted about his state being a vector of disease for other states?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2020, 07:41:33 PM
I'm missing the joke, help.
his last line
Post by: insanity on May 21, 2020, 08:14:24 PM
Maybe the part where he boasted about his state being a vector of disease for other states?
I feel like we are watching different videos
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 21, 2020, 08:20:42 PM
Online can't be as lucrative as it used to be from 2001 to 2007 it was a freaking atm. I had a excrement-ton of money frozen in Netteller, which used to be an awesome site. If I find Senator Friss I am going to freak that guy up.Oh it's not as lucrative because there are still significantly fewer casuals playing because Cryptocurrency is the best way to get money on/off, and many people don't want to go down that road, but there are still more than there had been the past few years.
Seminole Hard Rock opened 2 hours ago, they had 18 full tables and a 108-person waiting list.
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1263635447613468674
Post by: reuben on May 22, 2020, 03:12:51 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 06:20:07 AM
https://youtu.be/bhxLf-9Gtiw (https://youtu.be/bhxLf-9Gtiw)You're welcome.
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Post by: IATA on May 23, 2020, 06:12:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2020, 06:30:23 PM
Clearly the libs are running this country into the ground
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2020, 06:33:38 PM
thats so weird, the 2 countries worst hit are run by guys who lead in a nearly identical manner... wowwwwwAdd Putin and Johnson to make up the top four. Can't think of any similarities though. excrement hair?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2020, 06:36:08 PM
Add Putin and Johnson to make up the top four. Can't think of any similarities though. excrement hair?
Putin? Man they really covered up their numbers at the beginning eh
Post by: Johnny English on May 24, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
Only 6 areas with >1,000 cases per 100,000 people: New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, DC, and ConnecticutNY and NJ both have an R0 below 1. Texas has greatest rate of new cases of any state currently. It's not how you start, it's how you finish.
Clearly the libs are running this country into the ground
Post by: mj2sexay on May 25, 2020, 01:33:11 PM
thats so weird, the 2 countries worst hit are run by guys who lead in a nearly identical manner... wowwwww
It's like you're completely unaware that if you go by capita, Brazil and the States are actually two of the lowest effected, but why actually dig for underlying statistics when you can just parrot what you're told by your perceived betters.
freaking idiot.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
It's like you're completely unaware that if you go by capita, Brazil and the States are actually two of the lowest effected, but why actually dig for underlying statistics when you can just parrot what you're told by your perceived betters.
freaking idiot.
you dumb son of a bitch lmao
wanting to be penetrated by trump is not a personality, mj.
can we trade this piece of excrement for philly $tack$? at least that dumb queynte was entertaining, mj is just freaking delusionally sad
Post by: Heismanberg on May 25, 2020, 02:31:58 PM
Texas has greatest rate of new cases of any state currently.
The mask-free bros are out in full force here
mj and Pope would love it
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 02:33:57 PM
The mask-free bros are out in full force here
mj and Pope would love it
I only wear a mask in a store. There's no reason to wear one in the street, or worse, the clowns you see wearing a mask while driving around in what is presumably their own car.
Post by: Jumbo on May 25, 2020, 03:04:55 PM
I only wear a mask in a store. There's no reason to wear one in the street, or worse, the clowns you see wearing a mask while driving around in what is presumably their own car.
I love seeing people driving by themselves wearing masks, it's some nice entertainment out on the road
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
I love seeing people driving by themselves wearing masks, it's some nice entertainment out on the road
A friend of mine asked his wife to sew him a mask with queynte written across it in order to see whether the people in the grocery store would demand he take it off, as yet she has refused.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2020, 04:07:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 04:18:52 PM
It's like you're completely unaware that if you go by capita, Brazil and the States are actually two of the lowest effected, but why actually dig for underlying statistics when you can just parrot what you're told by your perceived betters.Eh, that's not really true. 9th and 14th in the world isn't really "two of the lowest affected"...
freaking idiot.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
...especially when you're on a worse trajectory than several of the countries above you.
https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1264981208645206020?s=19
Post by: insanity on May 25, 2020, 07:31:23 PM
Eh, that's not really true. 9th and 14th in the world isn't really "two of the lowest affected"...Cant believe you would quote a hack like maxcroser
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
...especially when you're on a worse trajectory than several of the countries above you.
https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1264981208645206020?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 08:36:48 PM
Cant believe you would quote a hack like maxcroser
It's OK, i'm sure alternative facts are available if these are inconvenient.
Post by: insanity on May 26, 2020, 06:40:22 AM
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 08:16:25 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200526/2087115c27c6949a8d31268941599b3f.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 08:38:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2020, 08:50:17 AM
People still not understanding the concept of the mask months later is why we can’t have nice things. It is for YOUR safety and protection you dumb queynte, but cry about how looking at a mask or shield makes you feel uncomfortable. You think this lady wants to wear that excrement all day while at work?
Secretly the woman doing the pedicure has been wanting to wear a mask since forever to get as much separation from people's hideous talons as possible, this just gives her the excuse. I honestly can't think of a job I'd hate more than doing that.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 26, 2020, 09:00:40 AM
People still not understanding the concept of the mask months later is why we can’t have nice things. It is for YOUR safety and protection you dumb queynte, but cry about how looking at a mask or shield makes you feel uncomfortable. You think this lady wants to wear that excrement all day while at work?
Yeah people refuse to understand the concept of the mask with respect to this virus. Mostly people are idiots anyway
Post by: mj2sexay on May 26, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Eh, that's not really true. 9th and 14th in the world isn't really "two of the lowest affected"...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
...especially when you're on a worse trajectory than several of the countries above you.
https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1264981208645206020?s=19
9th and 14th is certainly a more accurate picture than some retard saying, "thats so weird, the 2 countries worst hit are run by guys who lead in a nearly identical manner... wowwwww."
Except when measuring population density the States aren't one of the worst hit. Maybe our numbers would be even better if certain governors weren't moving the elderly into nursing homes when we had perfectly capable temporary hospitals built on ships that went unused. Certainly at least the above statement made by this retard is hyperbolic given even the data you've submitted.
The mask-free bros are out in full force here
mj and Pope would love it
I know you have absolutely nothing of substance to offer as per usual so you resort back to strawman bullshit, but I've worn a mask every time I've gone out in public.
Something tells me everytime you look at those "mask-free" bros you're either struggling with your own homoerotic fantasy or dealing with memories suppressed of middle school bullying, either way have at it.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2020, 09:48:32 AM
but I've worn a mask every time I've gone out in public.
I'm sure everyone that you've encountered is grateful that they can't make out what you're saying.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 11:04:16 AM
I know some people will have a problem with this but personally I think it’s great
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2020, 11:45:21 AM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1265092021963890690?s=21
I know some people will have a problem with this but personally I think it’s great
Shaolin Justice
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1265092021963890690?s=21
I know some people will have a problem with this but personally I think it’s great
I think that if you go into a store without a mask then you're a bit of a dick, but I'm not sure it quite warrants this kind of mob reaction. I will never not appreciate the honesty and straightforwardness of the average New Yorker though, even when it might be slightly more civilised to hold your tongue. I'd rather have an honest overreaction than snide backstabbing.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2020, 12:34:07 PM
I only wear a mask in a store. There's no reason to wear one in the street, or worse, the clowns you see wearing a mask while driving around in what is presumably their own car.
Would you wear a mask whilst in line at a restaurant?
Juan in a Million had a line of about 25-30 idiots on Sunday morning and about 75% of them weren't wearing masks.
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2020, 12:57:30 PM
Would you wear a mask whilst in line at a restaurant?
Juan in a Million had a line of about 25-30 idiots on Sunday morning and about 75% of them weren't wearing masks.
Indoors or outdoors? Indoors definitely, outdoors maybe depending upon circumstances.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2020, 01:02:24 PM
Indoors or outdoors? Indoors definitely, outdoors maybe depending upon circumstances.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DqF7u6HD7iA/WQ9KBalxjiI/AAAAAAAAqVY/FLJ64rhsFqYZfAEAhpE6OEZNsM2IZGwlACLcB/s1600/170516maaf_JuanInAMillion02.jpg)
This is what it looks like most weekends.
Similar distance between people this weekend.
There's another place in the same neighborhood with a similar setup and they've closed through mid-June because two employees tested positive for COVID.
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DqF7u6HD7iA/WQ9KBalxjiI/AAAAAAAAqVY/FLJ64rhsFqYZfAEAhpE6OEZNsM2IZGwlACLcB/s1600/170516maaf_JuanInAMillion02.jpg)
This is what it looks like most weekends.
Similar distance between people this weekend.
There's another place in the same neighborhood with a similar setup and they've closed through mid-June because two employees tested positive for COVID.
TBH I don't have a massive problem with that picture. They should probably leave a bit more space between each other but I don't see this as being a particularly risky situation, and I might very well not bother wearing a mask here either. Are they controlling the number of people inside at any one time? That's a greater concern, I think.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
TBH I don't have a massive problem with that picture. They should probably leave a bit more space between each other but I don't see this as being a particularly risky situation, and I might very well not bother wearing a mask here either. Are they controlling the number of people inside at any one time? That's a greater concern, I think.
All restaurants are allowed to fill up to 50% capacity
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2020, 01:15:22 PM
All restaurants are allowed to fill up to 50% capacity
RIP
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2020, 01:16:17 PM
RIP
I'm not dying because that fat diabetic idiot from Man vs. Food said that place is good.
I'll gladly order my tacos from a truck with no wait.
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
I'm not dying because that fat diabetic idiot from Man vs. Food said that place is good.
I'll gladly order my tacos from a truck with no wait.
You're a smart feller, not a fart smeller.
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
All restaurants are allowed to fill up to 50% capacity
They're queueing to sit inside? That's probably not a smart idea, I thought they were getting takeout. The weather looks nice so I'm not sure why someone wants to sit in a restaurant.
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2020, 01:41:37 PM
They're queueing to sit inside? That's probably not a smart idea, I thought they were getting takeout. The weather looks nice so I'm not sure why someone wants to sit in a restaurant.
the curb doesn't look inviting.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 04:06:26 PM
Owned
Post by: Johnny English on May 27, 2020, 10:32:48 PM
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/pa-democrats-accuse-pa-gop-leadership-of-covering-up-lawmakers-covid-19-diagnosis/2409904/
Post by: insanity on May 27, 2020, 11:38:23 PM
This guy's Facebook video is freaking epic.You realize the response will be no one got sick so its okay
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/pa-democrats-accuse-pa-gop-leadership-of-covering-up-lawmakers-covid-19-diagnosis/2409904/
Post by: insanity on May 28, 2020, 11:40:19 AM
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/05/27/mitch-mcconnell-plea-face-masks-285272
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 03:31:05 PM
Waiting for the other shoe to drop. No way McConnel is supporting masks without it benefiting him in some way.I think it's right there in the article, "as a means to begin returning the country to normalcy".
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/05/27/mitch-mcconnell-plea-face-masks-285272
I legitimately despise McConnell but he's never struck me as the kind of guy who gets twisted up into taking idiotic culture war positions.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 28, 2020, 04:25:44 PM
I think it's right there in the article, "as a means to begin returning the country to normalcy".McConnell is an awful human and the worst thing that has happened to American politics in decades.
I legitimately despise McConnell but he's never struck me as the kind of guy who gets twisted up into taking idiotic culture war positions.
But he's very smart. Smart people should promote face coverings.
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 04:28:20 PM
McConnell is an awful human and the worst thing that has happened to American politics in decades.
But he's very smart. Smart people should promote face coverings.
He's also potentially in a battle for his seat shortly, and if Trump's handling of this hits hard at the ballot box McConnell is going to want to be able to tell people that he was calling for sensible measures all along.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 06:22:53 PM
McConnell is an awful human and the worst thing that has happened to American politics in decades.
But he's very smart. Smart people should promote face coverings.
HoW DaRe He Use OuR owN TacTiCs AgAiNsT uS.
Cry about it to Harry Reid.
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 06:28:42 PM
HoW DaRe He Use OuR owN TacTiCs AgAiNsT uS.It's almost as if the ends matter more than the tactics
Cry about it to Harry Reid.
Not that Harry Reid brought us any amazing ends
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2020, 07:30:59 PM
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 07:43:41 PM
I would do a rain dance if it meant the demise of McConnell, what a POS that guy is.No individual in the last decade has done more to ensure better things weren't possible
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
No individual in the last decade has done more to ensure better things weren't possible
I started the rain dance but all it did was bring rain.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 06:35:57 AM
HoW DaRe He Use OuR owN TacTiCs AgAiNsT uS.This is one of my favorite of your 4 comebacks.
Cry about it to Harry Reid.
They did it first!
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:24:14 AM
This is one of my favorite of your 4 comebacks.
They did it first!
What's good for the goose. I forgot, "whataboutism" is only ok when you guys do it. I guess you missed that in your latest perusal of the independent.
A reminder that a Senate majority leader blatantly lied on the Senate floor during the 2012 election and then when called on it after the fact smugly smiled and asked, "well he didn't get elected, did he?!"
So spare me this hyperbolic bullshit about cocaine Mitch when his predecessor is such a sack of excrement that he refused to entertain bipartisan legislation to fund the NIH during the 2012 shutdown because sick kids make good collateral.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 10:31:37 AM
What's good for the goose. I forgot, "whataboutism" is only ok when you guys do it. I guess you missed that in your latest perusal of the independent.Again, "the other guy was worse"
A reminder that a Senate majority leader blatantly lied on the Senate floor during the 2012 election and then when called on it after the fact smugly smiled and asked, "well he didn't get elected, did he?!"
So spare me this hyperbolic bullshit about cocaine Mitch when his predecessor is such a sack of excrement that he refused to entertain bipartisan legislation to fund the NIH during the 2012 shutdown because sick kids make good collateral.
You're the only person who is looking at this from a political affiliation standpoint.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:38:05 AM
Again, "the other guy was worse"
You're the only person who is looking at this from a political affiliation standpoint.
i'm looking at this from a hypocrisy standpoint because your outrage is COMPLETELY selective and determined by whether has someone has an (R) or a (D) next to their name. That's how we get bullshit hyperbolic statements like "No One HaS bEeN wOrSe fOr ThIS cOuNtry" when he's not even as bad from a social/civil point of view as his predecessor.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 11:10:41 AM
i'm looking at this from a hypocrisy standpoint because your outrage is COMPLETELY selective and determined by whether has someone has an (R) or a (D) next to their name. That's how we get bullshit hyperbolic statements like "No One HaS bEeN wOrSe fOr ThIS cOuNtry" when he's not even as bad from a social/civil point of view as his predecessor.It really isn't, and I've said this countless times. I'd prefer to be a republican. It makes more sense for me personally. My current views are based on what I think this country needs right now, and I don't understand why more people don't think this way.
Yes that statement has hyperbole in it, but the amount of excrement he's done for party over country is ridiculous, period. His actions shouldn't be judged or compared to what happened in the past, or even what will happen in the future. There is no reason to make a comparison.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:11:21 AM
See you in 2021
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
https://twitter.com/SamAdlerBell/status/1266393087359713280?s=19
See you in 2021
@PhilKlay
Replying to
@SamAdlerBell
So sad, too, because we've come to expect great leadership from him.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 11:40:39 AM
It really isn't, and I've said this countless times. I'd prefer to be a republican. It makes more sense for me personally. My current views are based on what I think this country needs right now, and I don't understand why more people don't think this way.
Yes that statement has hyperbole in it, but the amount of excrement he's done for party over country is ridiculous, period. His actions shouldn't be judged or compared to what happened in the past, or even what will happen in the future. There is no reason to make a comparison.
Qualify this statement with support so that I can understand your case for making this claim. I'm not asking this out of bad faith, I am genuinely curious.
As for his actions being judged or compared, when you are submitting that one politician above all others has done more to increase the partisan divide in this country and has been worse for us as a nation than any other, it naturally invites comparison as to what others have done. I can't fathom how it doesn't.
If you were to say, "Mitch is a piece of excrement" and I was to bring up Harry Reid, that's whataboutism. If you were to say, "he's the worst politician during his time since bla bla bla more than any other" that directly invites comparison, and it directly invites someone refuting that statement as incorrect and bringing forth another.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
Qualify this statement with support so that I can understand your case for making this claim. I'm not asking this out of bad faith, I am genuinely curious.
As for his actions being judged or compared, when you are submitting that one politician above all others has done more to increase the partisan divide in this country and has been worse for us as a nation than any other, it naturally invites comparison as to what others have done. I can't fathom how it doesn't.
If you were to say, "Mitch is a piece of excrement" and I was to bring up Harry Reid, that's whataboutism. If you were to say, "he's the worst politician during his time since bla bla bla more than any other" that directly invites comparison, and it directly invites someone refuting that statement as incorrect and bringing forth another.
A big issue I have with Mitch is how little he has put to vote, the potential issues with his wife and funding for his state, and how he is handling the SC spots. I find it very hypocritical he refused to put forth a vote for an SC role at the end of Obamas term, but has said he would 100% try to fill it during trumps last year.
that and he looks like a turtle
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:55:30 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1266335781775380480?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 11:58:52 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/breaking-greece-bans-brits-reopens-22107424.amp
I think we're going to have an interesting little spell of international diplomacy, with the gradual reopening of countries acting as an informal referendum on the perception of how everyone has dealt with this.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 12:04:42 PM
Yeah but if they'd just worked harder and saved more instead of spending all their money on avocado toast and soy lattes and vintage record players.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
Qualify this statement with support so that I can understand your case for making this claim. I'm not asking this out of bad faith, I am genuinely curious.
Honestly, I really don't feel like typing out a well documented response because I think we both know its not going to change anyone's opinion, and changing anyone's opinion wasn't the point of my comment.
As for his actions being judged or compared, when you are submitting that one politician above all others has done more to increase the partisan divide in this country and has been worse for us as a nation than any other, it naturally invites comparison as to what others have done. I can't fathom how it doesn't.
You yourself said it was hyperbole so why are you trying to compare it to someone else?
I'm projecting here, but I think most people's frustration with your rebuttals stem from how defensive you are. I get it's in your nature due to your profession, you can't show weakness to your side of the argument. But outside of work, as a human in society, its okay to show empathy towards another opinion and admit a semblance of truth to your opposition. I also promise you, showing a bit more humility and vulnerability will enable others to be a lot more empathetic to your POV.
But what do I know I'm an idiot libtard
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 12:08:48 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/27/millennial-recession-covid/One potential benefit I'm hoping will come from this is maybe, just maybe, people will stop spending on stupid excrement and start saving.
Yeah but if they'd just worked harder and saved more instead of spending all their money on avocado toast and soy lattes and vintage record players.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 12:12:28 PM
One potential benefit I'm hoping will come from this is maybe, just maybe, people will stop spending on stupid excrement and start saving.
the fact that i've started to collect baseball cards out of boredom, and that they are sold out pretty much everywhere shows that to be a lie.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 12:13:15 PM
One potential benefit I'm hoping will come from this is maybe, just maybe, people will stop spending on stupid excrement and start saving.
I agree. Let's start with corporate bailouts and military escalation.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 12:16:42 PM
I agree. Let's start with corporate bailouts and military escalation.Its pretty ridiculous that people and corporations can't survive 2 bad months. Our entire economy is so short-term focused, we deserve this excrement.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 12:18:38 PM
Its pretty ridiculous that people and corporations can't survive 2 bad months. Our entire economy is so short-term focused, we deserve this excrement.
The people don't deserve it, living paycheck to paycheck is not a choice in most cases.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
The people don't deserve it, living paycheck to paycheck is not a choice in most cases.
If you'd just stop giving all your money to Starbucks and Apple every month you'd own a home in Richmond Hill by now. You've only yourself to blame.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 12:25:28 PM
The people don't deserve it, living paycheck to paycheck is not a choice in most cases.
Only siths deal in absolutes...
I'm not saying poverty can be saved by not buying Starbucks. There are not enough good paying jobs out there for everyong.
My point is that people need to learn to be more fiscally conservative, and this is probably moreso for the lower middle class. You don't need a new iPhone every time one comes out, buying coffee is not a human right, brunch is not an actual meal its a luxury for rich people. You don't need to go on every bachelor or bachelorette party you're invited to. Go to the library instead of purchasing books.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 12:52:09 PM
Honestly, I really don't feel like typing out a well documented response because I think we both know its not going to change anyone's opinion, and changing anyone's opinion wasn't the point of my comment.
You yourself said it was hyperbole so why are you trying to compare it to someone else?
A couple things.
I said your criticism of McConnell was hyperbole not because he might not be bad or good, but because his course of action is no different than his predecessor. That makes the idea that what he's doing to be unprecedented or that he's some sort of outlier as opposed to being business as usual, questionable. That's all.
I'm projecting here, but I think most people's frustration with your rebuttals stem from how defensive you are. I get it's in your nature due to your profession, you can't show weakness to your side of the argument. But outside of work, as a human in society, its okay to show empathy towards another opinion and admit a semblance of truth to your opposition. I also promise you, showing a bit more humility and vulnerability will enable others to be a lot more empathetic to your POV.
This cuts both ways. IN, I'm not the one who immediately resorts to personal attacks, or even for that matter attacking a large voting bloc as opposed to a specific politician. You might also come in hot if you're starting in the middle of a discussion that's already summarily dismissed the opposition as being backwards simpletons.
I mean, you met me at the tailgate, outside of work, as a human in society. Honestly, do I come off as unempathetic or confrontational at all?
But what do I know I'm an idiot libtard
I don't think that's very fair.
I've never said something like that specifically to you, nor would I compare or try and reduce your thoughts to that of someone who would unironically use a buzzterm like "KKKonservative" or some such idiocy. I sure do throw the word queynte around a lot when it gets really heated. As MB astutely pointed out, I'm no angel.
I might have compared someone else to acting like they were...I think I said on the derriere-end of tumblr. IMHO, their rhetoric may have warranted it.
A big issue I have with Mitch is how little he has put to vote
You can acknowledge this is wrong, but also part of a pattern of behavior in terms of what happens when one party controls the House and the opposition controls the Senate. It's not whataboutism to point out that McConnell's predecessor at one point had some 350 bills passed by the House, in committee, ready to be discussed, and they were left to be tabled and die.
Again, and if someone has an example of Mitch acting in a similar way have at it, but I can't think of behavior as abhorrent as refusing to entertain bi-partisan House measures to fund the National Institute of Health during a government shutdown out of purely political reasons.
the potential issues with his wife
I didn't want to not address this and have it seem like I was ignoring this. Yeah. I got nothing.
and how he is handling the SC spots. I find it very hypocritical he refused to put forth a vote for an SC role at the end of Obamas term, but has said he would 100% try to fill it during trumps last year.
that and he looks like a turtle
Without getting into a big rehash of an argument I used to get into with Fen all the time here (RIP);
-McConnell and Senate Republicans are wrong to withhold a confirmation hearing. It was short-sighted, lazy and purely political.
-A Republican senate majority has absolutely no business confirming a jurist who without question would have significantly and radically changed the way we interpret the Second Amendment. It's not even a matter of whether or not you think that's the right thing to do, a majority was sent to the Senate with a core issue being to preserve the 2A as we know it.
I wouldn't expect a Senate majority of Democrats to ever confirm someone who's prior jurisprudence makes it clear that as soon as he gets his chance, he's coming for Roe. It'd be a very clear and obvious non-starter.
Post by: insanity on May 30, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
Only siths deal in absolutes...Ok boomer
I'm not saying poverty can be saved by not buying Starbucks. There are not enough good paying jobs out there for everyong.
My point is that people need to learn to be more fiscally conservative, and this is probably moreso for the lower middle class. You don't need a new iPhone every time one comes out, buying coffee is not a human right, brunch is not an actual meal its a luxury for rich people. You don't need to go on every bachelor or bachelorette party you're invited to. Go to the library instead of purchasing books.
Post by: MBGreen on May 30, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
Ok boomer(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200530/594a1908ba7996de96a4a54811a7504b.jpg)
Post by: insanity on May 30, 2020, 12:57:50 PM
Ok boomerDont make me send these Brooklyn protestors to queens
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
Dont make me send these Brooklyn protestors to queensDo it, freak my McDonald's
It should be razed and turned into parking for locals
Post by: Jumbo on May 30, 2020, 01:26:42 PM
Do it, freak my McDonald's
It should be razed and turned into parking for locals
They paved paradise to put up a parking lot
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 02:18:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 30, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/boris-johnsons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 02:40:51 PM
LOL.Haha. I need that job.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/boris-johnsons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
https://www.kmov.com/news/no-new-covid-19-cases-connected-to-memorial-day-weekend-crowds-at-lake-of-the/article_07f0e618-a653-11ea-bb4c-b313599c6423.html
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 12:48:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 12:51:21 PM
local farm here just confirmed 160 cases of covid in migrant workers working on their farms. wooo
I saw that, the positive of the SW Ontario farm outbreaks is that it means that the Ontario numbers are actually trending pretty nicely if you take out those isolated clusters.
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 12:54:58 PM
on another note, my company just spent $5 million bucks remodeling and expanding our offices last year. just announced that the offices will remain closed until september, and then only 50% capacity thereafter. whoops
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 01:41:38 PM
This thread was nearly on page 2. Covid learning what a fickle mistress the news cycle can be. Anyway:
https://www.kmov.com/news/no-new-covid-19-cases-connected-to-memorial-day-weekend-crowds-at-lake-of-the/article_07f0e618-a653-11ea-bb4c-b313599c6423.html
Seems like a massive bullet being dodged, if true.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Seems like a massive bullet being dodged, if true.
Or it was a blank, or at least a nerf ball, in the first place.
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 03:02:53 PM
This thread was nearly on page 2. Covid learning what a fickle mistress the news cycle can be. Anyway:May have had something to do with my effort to bump non-inflammatory topics
https://www.kmov.com/news/no-new-covid-19-cases-connected-to-memorial-day-weekend-crowds-at-lake-of-the/article_07f0e618-a653-11ea-bb4c-b313599c6423.html
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 05, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
The incoming second wave should be p cool
I had a couple of conversations about that this week with friends. People are terrified to go back to work--myself included. Nobody wants to be in that initial group who returns to
Then this morning, on a conference call, the CFO asked everyone to start thinking about which days they'd like to be in the office and who they want to be there with. You could hear a pin drop.
Post by: IATA on June 05, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
I had a couple of conversations about that this week with friends. People are terrified to go back to work--myself included. Nobody wants to be in that initial group who returns toriskwork.
Then this morning, on a conference call, the CFO asked everyone to start thinking about which days they'd like to be in the office and who they want to be there with. You could hear a pin drop.
yuppp, same conversation at my job 2 weeks ago brought back less than 20% of the company want to return to the office.
they spent too much money remodeling to have no one "enjoy the new office" and are requiring 50% of people come in. if less than 50% signup(because they are introducing an "airline style" system to book workspaces) theyll automatically schedule the person with the longest time since being in to come in.
i have my own office space i share with another guy, and they are trying to say one of us must be in the office everyday. freak you, i can do my job from my basement just fine.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 05, 2020, 12:17:15 PM
yuppp, same conversation at my job 2 weeks ago brought back less than 20% of the company want to return to the office.
they spent too much money remodeling to have no one "enjoy the new office" and are requiring 50% of people come in. if less than 50% signup(because they are introducing an "airline style" system to book workspaces) theyll automatically schedule the person with the longest time since being in to come in.
i have my own office space i share with another guy, and they are trying to say one of us must be in the office everyday. freak you, i can do my job from my basement just fine.
I'm going to burn vacation if "forced" to return. No way I'm being in the first wave of people back. I'll play wait-and-see if people get sick. Sorry, ain't gonna be me.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 12:20:16 PM
I'm going to burn vacation if "forced" to return.
Same. Though I'm not as concerned about the virus as I am annoyed at having to return to that grind.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 12:26:11 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:28:29 PM
I know the organisation I work for is much smaller than the ones you guys work for, but among my colleagues the overwhelming feeling is that we all want to be back in the office as soon as possible.
I most definitely do not want to be back in the office.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 12:33:26 PM
I know the organisation I work for is much smaller than the ones you guys work for, but among my colleagues the overwhelming feeling is that we all want to be back in the office as soon as possible.
I personally feel the same way....but it has to be safe first. I hate working from home.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 01:34:55 PM
I know the organisation I work for is much smaller than the ones you guys work for, but among my colleagues the overwhelming feeling is that we all want to be back in the office as soon as possible.I think the majority of people in my department will be working from home for the foreseeable future.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 01:36:11 PM
I think the majority of people in my department will be working from home for the foreseeable future.
Same here
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
I think the majority of people in my department will be working from home for the foreseeable future.
Ours too, not least because we can do so with pretty much no detriment to how we do our jobs. We develop and sell software, there's really no reason why we need to be in an office and given our CTO owns the building we don't even have to worry about paying rent on a building we're not using. We just really want to go back because we like our office, the people we work with and for, and the interaction that we have during a working day.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 01:43:29 PM
We just really want to go back because we like our office, the people we work with and for, and the interaction that we have during a working day.
QFT
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 05, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
I have no desire to be in an enclosed office with any number of people who come into work possibly sick, whether unwittingly or because they fear for their jobs. With exactly zero windows that can be opened in the entire office.
I don't need the interaction. I miss a couple of people, but I'm quite alright without seeing them and only speaking to them on the phone once in a while. I have my wife and kids here with me, I do a weekly virtual happy hour on Wednesdays with some professional friends, and I keep in touch with family.
Personally, I like being healthy. I'll happily go back to the office when there's a reliable vaccine. Till then, if you want to return to the petri dish, have fun with that.
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 05:05:20 PM
I have no desire to ride public transportation an hour each way to and from the office with random people, then queue up for the elevator bank to take a 35-floor ride with at least one other person who I probably don't even know and could be sick.
I have no desire to be in an enclosed office with any number of people who come into work possibly sick, whether unwittingly or because they fear for their jobs. With exactly zero windows that can be opened in the entire office.
I don't need the interaction. I miss a couple of people, but I'm quite alright without seeing them and only speaking to them on the phone once in a while. I have my wife and kids here with me, I do a weekly virtual happy hour on Wednesdays with some professional friends, and I keep in touch with family.
Personally, I like being healthy. I'll happily go back to the office when there's a reliable vaccine. Till then, if you want to return to the petri dish, have fun with that.
We're not much of a petri dish here in the Peg.....we reached 300 Covid cases today, in total (with only 7 deaths)
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
I have no desire to ride public transportation an hour each way to and from the office with random people, then queue up for the elevator bank to take a 35-floor ride with at least one other person who I probably don't even know and could be sick.My job services about 400 members of the public per day, reopening is going to be butthole-clenching.
I have no desire to be in an enclosed office with any number of people who come into work possibly sick, whether unwittingly or because they fear for their jobs. With exactly zero windows that can be opened in the entire office.
I don't need the interaction. I miss a couple of people, but I'm quite alright without seeing them and only speaking to them on the phone once in a while. I have my wife and kids here with me, I do a weekly virtual happy hour on Wednesdays with some professional friends, and I keep in touch with family.
Personally, I like being healthy. I'll happily go back to the office when there's a reliable vaccine. Till then, if you want to return to the petri dish, have fun with that.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
We're not much of a petri dish here in the Peg.....we reached 300 Covid cases today, in total (with only 7 deaths)Arby's must be a major factor in covid transmission
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 06:16:30 PM
Arby's must be a major factor in covid transmissionWorth it
Post by: Badger on June 07, 2020, 11:18:53 AM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1269664188953235456?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 07, 2020, 01:26:38 PM
Post by: Badger on June 07, 2020, 07:52:18 PM
No surprise. DC entered Phase one two weeks ago and we were already seeing a spike in cases. NYC is supposed to start opening tomorrow, right?I guess?
I'm sure as hell not doing anything differently.
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2020, 08:00:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 07, 2020, 08:12:50 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 07, 2020, 10:26:23 PM
My pubs open next week and I'm so happy.
Gross
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2020, 07:13:58 AM
Post by: IATA on June 08, 2020, 10:29:51 AM
With all the gyms opening this week (or more recently) for most or the country. Time to see how fast I can catch the Rona
thats what you get for doing drugs or something equally unrelated.
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/brazil-stops-releasing-covid-19-death-toll-and-wipes-data-from-official-site?CMP=share_btn_fb
Bonus excerpt:
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On Friday, Carlos Wizard, a billionaire Mormon businessman with no health experience who is taking over as secretary of science, technology and strategic supplies at the health ministry, called the current data “fanciful or manipulated”.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2020, 11:54:06 AM
lmaooooooooooo
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2020, 01:20:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2020, 01:56:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2020, 02:50:33 PM
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 09:27:16 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 10:05:36 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
And they walked that back within hours. Turns out, it's likely more like 40% asymptomatic transfer and they "miscommunicated."
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
I'm not happy. There are supposedly some people from my office who are very excited, and there are others who want an absolute mutiny.
I just saw a bunch of places who have started re-opening are already seeing spikes in cases. Of course right-wing Twitter is all about "Of course, because protests!!!11one"
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
And they walked that back within hours. Turns out, it's likely more like 40% asymptomatic transfer and they "miscommunicated."
That's not at all what they said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-scrambles-to-clarify-comments-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html
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Studies show that about 16% of the population may be asymptomatic, she said. Some models developed by other scientists suggest as much as 40% of global transmission may be due to asymptomatic individuals, she said, clarifying her comments.
“Some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didn’t include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here,” Kerkhove said.
Stop being a raging doomer.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
My job is preparing for a return to the office on June 22. I'll know more Friday, but it almost sounds like the plan is "Get your asses back to work. All of you."
My office is bringing people back that day too, but they've given us the option to stay home if we want (thankfully).
They are also bringing in child care workers in hopes of bringing more people back to the office.
My boss really wants me to go back to assist with a new hire group but I'm waiting it out. Things are getting gross down here and the cases are skyrocketing.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 10:25:04 AM
My job is preparing for a return to the office on June 22. I'll know more Friday, but it almost sounds like the plan is "Get your asses back to work. All of you."My boss called me last second on Monday afternoon to ask if anything had changed regarding my childcare situation but emphasized that we weren't reopening yet.
I'm not happy. There are supposedly some people from my office who are very excited, and there are others who want an absolute mutiny.
I just saw a bunch of places who have started re-opening are already seeing spikes in cases. Of course right-wing Twitter is all about "Of course, because protests!!!11one"
Honestly until schools reopen or it's safe to send my kids over to my elderly in-laws then I'm not comfortable returning to the office. And that's mostly to preserve my wife's sanity, not even considering the risk of my workplace which sees a ton of elderly or otherwise immunocompromised people.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
That's not at all what they said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-scrambles-to-clarify-comments-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html
Stop being a raging doomer.
Cases are spiking where re-opening is occurring. Yes, I'm admittedly overly paranoid. I'm also still healthy and would really like to remain that way.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
Cases are spiking where re-opening is occurring. Yes, I'm admittedly overly paranoid. I'm also still healthy and would really like to remain that way.But what about Fuddruckers?
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 10:33:57 AM
My office is bringing people back that day too, but they've given us the option to stay home if we want (thankfully).
They are also bringing in child care workers in hopes of bringing more people back to the office.
My boss really wants me to go back to assist with a new hire group but I'm waiting it out. Things are getting gross down here and the cases are skyrocketing.
Yeah, I'm waiting to see what is said, but the impression I'm getting is that everyone is expected to return when the office opens, and I'm not at all on board with that. I work on the 35th floor, so I have to take an elevator to an office that has no windows that open. We have 2 bathrooms per floor, per gender, and about 100 people of each per floor. I don't see any way to make this a safe environment to return to.
My boss called me last second on Monday afternoon to ask if anything had changed regarding my childcare situation but emphasized that we weren't reopening yet.
Honestly until schools reopen or it's safe to send my kids over to my elderly in-laws then I'm not comfortable returning to the office. And that's mostly to preserve my wife's sanity, not even considering the risk of my workplace which sees a ton of elderly or otherwise immunocompromised people.
My wife and I are seriously considering not sending our kid back to school in September and just homeschooling him until there's a vaccine.
Again, I'm admittedly very paranoid, but I'm not taking risks with the health of my family or myself.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 10:42:33 AM
But what about Fuddruckers?
Their burger bar comes with a side of immunity
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 10:55:07 AM
Yeah, I'm waiting to see what is said, but the impression I'm getting is that everyone is expected to return when the office opens, and I'm not at all on board with that. I work on the 35th floor, so I have to take an elevator to an office that has no windows that open. We have 2 bathrooms per floor, per gender, and about 100 people of each per floor. I don't see any way to make this a safe environment to return to.
My wife and I are seriously considering not sending our kid back to school in September and just homeschooling him until there's a vaccine.
Again, I'm admittedly very paranoid, but I'm not taking risks with the health of my family or myself.
I'm very hesitant, since the beginning of all this (and we only had 300 cases in total). I can't imagine going back to work if i worked in NY. freak that noise.
We haven't heard anything about potential return (thankfully). We've proven that our jobs can be 100% be done remotely, so i'm hoping there won't be any arm-twisting.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 10, 2020, 11:01:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
Has anyone actually been to Fuddruckers or even verify it’s existence?
we had one here in Winnipeg back in the late 80s. It shutdown before i could sample the greatness.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 11:04:32 AM
Has anyone actually been to Fuddruckers or even verify it’s existence?
Yes, it's not good but the burgers are #big
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 11:05:13 AM
Has anyone actually been to Fuddruckers or even verify it’s existence?Yes, stopped there for lunch on a middle school field trip about 20 years ago.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 11:06:35 AM
#BurnFuddruckers
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
When this is all over, I say we put some cash together and open up Tough Shop Burgin'Dowell Burgins
#BurnFuddruckers
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 11:09:30 AM
When this is all over, I say we put some cash together and open up Tough Shop Burgin'
#BurnFuddruckers
Tough Shop Burgin' serves "The Adam Gase" ....it's a double burger loaded with Dowell's jizz.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 11:16:51 AM
Tough Shop Burgin' serves "The Adam Gase" ....it's a double burger loaded with Dowell's jizz.They're gonna get sued for stealing McD's recipe
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 11:17:41 AM
I'm very hesitant, since the beginning of all this (and we only had 300 cases in total). I can't imagine going back to work if i worked in NY. freak that noise.
We haven't heard anything about potential return (thankfully). We've proven that our jobs can be 100% be done remotely, so i'm hoping there won't be any arm-twisting.
Our company president (newly minted just months before the crisis) has supposedly been overly impressed with the performance of remote workers. And yet, his father, the owner and chairman, supposedly wants everyone back in the office. Again, it's wait-and-see until after my boss (CFO) meets with the 2 of them tomorrow. I'm not hopeful though.
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 11:18:00 AM
They're gonna get sued for stealing McD's recipe
thank god i only stick to their breakfast menu
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 11:18:55 AM
Our company president (newly minted just months before the crisis) has supposedly been overly impressed with the performance of remote workers. And yet, his father, the owner and chairman, supposedly wants everyone back in the office. Again, it's wait-and-see until after my boss (CFO) meets with the 2 of them tomorrow. I'm not hopeful though.
someone needs to assassinate the old man *cough cough*
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
Has anyone actually been to Fuddruckers or even verify it’s existence?
Never went inside, but in Howard Beach, Queens they built one back in the 90s. Before that, it had been the site of my favorite pizza place ever (Pizza City) that had the best ever Sicilian slice.
I just tried googling it and it doesn't seem to be there anymore. I haven't been down Crossbay Blvd in probably 25 years.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
And yet, his father, the owner
I do not miss this sort of thing
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 11:28:44 AM
Never went inside, but in Howard Beach, Queens they built one back in the 90s. Before that, it had been the site of my favorite pizza place ever (Pizza City) that had the best ever Sicilian slice.There are 2 in northern NJ and no others within a reasonable distance of NYC.
I just tried googling it and it doesn't seem to be there anymore. I haven't been down Crossbay Blvd in probably 25 years.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2020, 11:29:20 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 11:29:39 AM
someone needs to assassinate the old man *cough cough*
What's crazy is he's actually a really nice, family-oriented, guy. And of all people, I may like him more than most. When I resigned from my job a few months ago after getting a nice offer, he came into the office while on vacation to make a counter-offer to keep me--and company policy has long been to not match any offer.
I just don't understand this. Again, it's not like the work isn't getting done. I've worked harder and for longer hours the last 12 weeks than I have in the last 18 years here. I want to get back to "normal" too, but nothing is going to be normal until there's a vaccine, so I don't understand the rush to return if the job doesn't absolutely require it (and I still feel bad for anyone who has continued to work or is going back to a public-facing job).
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 11:33:20 AM
I do not miss this sort of thing
Interestingly, the son went to law school and from what I was told he was dead-set on not taking over dad's business. A couple of years after I started working there, he joined the company and actually worked his way up. I give the guy a lot of respect. Obviously, it wasn't a completely "did it all myself" story, but he's earned his way to the top.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
but he's earned his way to the top.
Respectfully disagree
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 10, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
Respectfully disagree
*shrug* I understand. There's no question he didn't have a leg up in the first place, but he learned the business from the bottom to the top, to me that's earning it.
He also replaced a woman who was the previous president (who had replaced the owner). And he himself was replaced by a woman when he was promoted to president.
Rich people are never going to go through the same process as poor people, but I feel like my company does well in terms of merit-based promotion.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2020, 11:48:20 AM
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
Interestingly, the son went to law school and from what I was told he was dead-set on not taking over dad's business. A couple of years after I started working there, he joined the company and actually worked his way up. I give the guy a lot of respect. Obviously, it wasn't a completely "did it all myself" story, but he's earned his way to the top.At one of my jobs I got yelled at by my boss's wife (the owner's daughter) because she perceived I wasn't working because I wasn't typing when she walked by.
But after that I had a job where a mother and son had founded a company, sold it to a larger company and stayed on as local management. They were decent people to work for.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em out.
They initially were going to let the founder stay on as Sales Director but when the merger went into full effect, they canned him in about a week.
Not like he's in a bad spot. He sold the company and the app for millions, but still sucks to not have him around to have our backs.
My new boss is someone's son, but he at least has tons of credibility in the sales world. He helped start Vivint Smart Home with his dad's money, so he knows how to run and grow a start-up.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
My company was purchased/absorbed by a much larger corporation because we were better than them in certain areas.Can he start Tough Shop Burgin' and lead it to glory?
If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em out.
They initially were going to let the founder stay on as Sales Director but when the merger went into full effect, they canned him in about a week.
Not like he's in a bad spot. He sold the company and the app for millions, but still sucks to not have him around to have our backs.
My new boss is someone's son, but he at least has tons of credibility in the sales world. He helped start Vivint Smart Home with his dad's money, so he knows how to run and grow a start-up.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
Can he start Tough Shop Burgin' and lead it to glory?Heismanberg should go into his boss's office and pitch the idea a la SNL's Laser Cats.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 10, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
Heismanberg should go into his boss's office and pitch the idea a la SNL's Laser Cats.
He would probably throat punch me
Post by: mj2sexay on June 10, 2020, 12:18:52 PM
Has anyone actually been to Fuddruckers or even verify it’s existence?
They used to be all around NJ, I remember when there were two on route 22 (Union and Bridgewater) and one in Toms River.
I loved their burgers but they were greasy as freak. GREAT selection of arcades as a kid in the Toms River one including NBA Jam.
Anyway, my old paralegal has to go into the office tomorrow, and I do not envy that excrement. Job boards are starting to open up, so I'm not worried about landing something before the supplemental 600 a week goes away by the end of July.
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
Can he start Tough Shop Burgin' and lead it to glory?
you really want the "Adam Gase" with extra sauce eh
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2020, 12:57:50 PM
you really want the "Adam Gase" with extra sauce ehEither that or the Hope Solo Beef Curtain Sandwich with melted cheddar.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 10, 2020, 05:54:08 PM
there were no hot girls there
i don't remember anything about the food
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
i went to a fuddruckers on route 46 in parsippany in 2013 after playing hours of basketballOn my drives back from Binghamton I used to meet someone at the Sonic on Rt 17 in Hasbrouck Heights to sell adderall.
there were no hot girls there
i don't remember anything about the food
Let's all tell our weird burger adjacent life experiences.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2020, 07:32:26 PM
On my drives back from Binghamton I used to meet someone at the Sonic on Rt 17 in Hasbrouck Heights to sell adderall.
Let's all tell our weird burger adjacent life experiences.
One time I ate a burger and went over to a 60 year old man’s house and made him freak me in the derriere in front of his kids.
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 06:35:03 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 11, 2020, 08:12:58 AM
https://youtu.be/oV1CWspYDt8 (https://youtu.be/oV1CWspYDt8)
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 11, 2020, 02:35:29 PM
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
"But the mask monitors are just as bad as the covid deniers!"
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2020, 06:34:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 06:49:52 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 06:50:31 PM
What's wrong with people? Just shut the freak up.
You talking the cougher or the chick that called her out?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
You talking the cougher or the chick that called her out?Cougher. And the shitbag in the gas station that that took a maskless dump.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2020, 07:20:25 AM
Could be an omen
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 07:59:07 AM
Stock market finally starting to buy into the second wave hypeCan't wait to see what the rich people feelings chart tells us today.
Could be an omen
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
This straddles a few different topics but I landed on posting it in here.
excrement like this is why you shouldn't valorize small business owners.
Post by: MBGreen on June 15, 2020, 08:02:58 AM
Manitoba has gone 6 straight days without a new covid case emerging. #xanadu
streak ended.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2020, 02:51:19 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqdwb/restaurant-worker-says-she-was-fired-for-refusing-to-wear-trump-2020-mask
This straddles a few different topics but I landed on posting it in here.
excrement like this is why you shouldn't valorize small business owners.
Good olr Farmersville Ohio and its population of 1000 people
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2020, 05:21:16 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqdwb/restaurant-worker-says-she-was-fired-for-refusing-to-wear-trump-2020-maskSome small business owners are cunts, because some people are cunts. The problem isn't the business owners, it's the lack of legislation protecting workers' rights. (Except Montana. You're cool.)
This straddles a few different topics but I landed on posting it in here.
excrement like this is why you shouldn't valorize small business owners.
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 06:23:52 PM
Some small business owners are cunts, because some people are cunts. The problem isn't the business owners, it's the lack of legislation protecting workers' rights. (Except Montana. You're cool.)I didn't say ASBOAB, I just said they shouldn't be put on a pedestal like they frequently are in American political discourse.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2020, 10:06:54 PM
Some small business owners are cunts, because some people are cunts. The problem isn't the business owners, it's the lack of legislation protecting workers' rights. (Except Montana. You're cool.)
Or the problem is you know, the consumers. If consumers want to go to a restaurant where all the employees wear Trump or BLM hats they will, if they don't they won't.
Obviously a company wants to force employees to hold or discriminate against employees for their beliefs that's a different story. But we don't need the govt to do everything.
Look at business owners who have said things about recent public events that some people didn't appreciate and got absolutely demolished by backlash
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1272902969936293897?s=21
Game. Set. Match.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 11:10:42 AM
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
This fall is going to be p coolI'll never get to Fuddruckers at this rate.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 16, 2020, 04:50:59 PM
Along the same line as Badger's post.
#Beijing tonight:
Emergency level raised.
Neighborhoods locked down.
Thousands tested.
Flights suspended.
Work from home urged.
ID checks at housing blocks.
Temperature checks everywhere.
Schools closed again.
Travel restrictions again.
#Coronavirus anxiety. Again.
@NBCNews
Post by: delavan on June 16, 2020, 06:14:31 PM
This fall is going to be p cool
#Halloween?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 16, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
#Halloween?Trick or Treat? Covid muthfucka.
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 06:39:45 PM
Trick or Treat? Covid muthfucka.I hand out in candy in my underwear
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Trick or Treat? Covid muthfucka.
If covid means that I don't get the neighbourhood children coming to my door with their parents standing in the street beaming proudly as their crotch goblin demonstrates his ability to beg for free excrement exactly like they ignore/pillory people who are actually in need for doing, then covid can come round every freaking year. freak halloween, this year and every year.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 16, 2020, 07:00:58 PM
If covid means that I don't get the neighbourhood children coming to my door with their parents standing in the street beaming proudly as their crotch goblin demonstrates his ability to beg for free excrement exactly like they ignore/pillory people who are actually in need for doing, then covid can come round every freaking year. freak halloween, this year and every year...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/be29cd7976274aa6e0d17ae3a5105e44.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2020, 07:08:41 PM
..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/be29cd7976274aa6e0d17ae3a5105e44.gif)
To be fair to me, I have always freaking hated halloween. I didn't have to wait to get old for that. It's absolutely stupid on so many levels, and especially in the US. We're going to vote and make laws based upon our claimed Christian beliefs, but we're also going to celebrate a pagan festival by dressing up as demons. We're going to vote and make policy based upon our claimed beliefs in doing things for ourselves, but as soon as they can walk we're going to teach our children it's OK to go knock on strangers' doors and beg for or extort candy. We're going to claim it's all about the children, but we're going to get on Facebook groups and complain about kids from other areas, poorer areas, coming to our houses and trick or treating because we've got the good stuff.
WTAF? Halloween is absolute bullshit. I hate it and every year I either go to the pub or sit in the den and leave my wife to deal with it. Awful, hideous tradition that gets less pleasant every year. It can get fucked.
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 07:20:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 07:33:44 PM
Treat or Treaters and their parents can DIAF though
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 16, 2020, 08:48:41 PM
To be fair to me, I have always freaking hated halloween. I didn't have to wait to get old for that. It's absolutely stupid on so many levels, and especially in the US. We're going to vote and make laws based upon our claimed Christian beliefs, but we're also going to celebrate a pagan festival by dressing up as demons. We're going to vote and make policy based upon our claimed beliefs in doing things for ourselves, but as soon as they can walk we're going to teach our children it's OK to go knock on strangers' doors and beg for or extort candy. We're going to claim it's all about the children, but we're going to get on Facebook groups and complain about kids from other areas, poorer areas, coming to our houses and trick or treating because we've got the good stuff.
WTAF? Halloween is absolute bullshit. I hate it and every year I either go to the pub or sit in the den and leave my wife to deal with it. Awful, hideous tradition that gets less pleasant every year. It can get fucked.
wow, i honestly had no idea that canada celebrated halloween
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 10:23:47 PM
#Halloween?If I don't get to dress up as Joe Exotic then what is even the point of living?
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 17, 2020, 12:05:40 AM
If I don't get to dress up as Joe Exotic then what is even the point of living?I am looking forward to Sexy Carole Baskin costumes.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 01:55:39 AM
To be fair to me, I have always freaking hated halloween. I didn't have to wait to get old for that. It's absolutely stupid on so many levels, and especially in the US. We're going to vote and make laws based upon our claimed Christian beliefs, but we're also going to celebrate a pagan festival by dressing up as demons. We're going to vote and make policy based upon our claimed beliefs in doing things for ourselves, but as soon as they can walk we're going to teach our children it's OK to go knock on strangers' doors and beg for or extort candy. We're going to claim it's all about the children, but we're going to get on Facebook groups and complain about kids from other areas, poorer areas, coming to our houses and trick or treating because we've got the good stuff.Dang.
WTAF? Halloween is absolute bullshit. I hate it and every year I either go to the pub or sit in the den and leave my wife to deal with it. Awful, hideous tradition that gets less pleasant every year. It can get fucked.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 06:08:02 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 07:12:24 AM
To be fair to me, I have always freaking hated halloween. I didn't have to wait to get old for that. It's absolutely stupid on so many levels, and especially in the US. We're going to vote and make laws based upon our claimed Christian beliefs, but we're also going to celebrate a pagan festival by dressing up as demons. We're going to vote and make policy based upon our claimed beliefs in doing things for ourselves, but as soon as they can walk we're going to teach our children it's OK to go knock on strangers' doors and beg for or extort candy. We're going to claim it's all about the children, but we're going to get on Facebook groups and complain about kids from other areas, poorer areas, coming to our houses and trick or treating because we've got the good stuff.
WTAF? Halloween is absolute bullshit. I hate it and every year I either go to the pub or sit in the den and leave my wife to deal with it. Awful, hideous tradition that gets less pleasant every year. It can get fucked.
This is better than the “freak you NYC” monologue in 25th Hour
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 07:40:15 AM
I enjoy the season because I am a huge horror fan
Treat or Treaters and their parents can DIAF though
i enjoy the horror genre too, and i love the fall season. But Halloween in general stinks. Free Candy? freak that...but i'm a little biased due to being Type 1 Diabetic.
SFD's point regarding broads trying to outslut each other at halloween parties holds water too....i'll concede that.
Post by: delavan on June 17, 2020, 07:57:48 AM
Trick or Treat? Covid muthfucka.
Screw the candy. Am talkin' eggs, shaving cream and the whole 'ghost/haunted house' vibe muthfk - that's Halloween ; )
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
This excrement sucks.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
No sports on TV or in person, no gym, no softball/hockey, no drinking with friends. Just trapped in my house either working or doing chores.
This excrement sucks.
You know what makes it even worse? A two new seasons of 90 Day Fiance just started.
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 09:28:55 AM
No sports on TV or in person, no gym, no softball/hockey, no drinking with friends. Just trapped in my house either working or doing chores.
This excrement sucks.
Premier League restarts today.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
You know what makes it even worse? A two new seasons of 90 Day Fiance just started.
THWRES ALREADY LIKE 4
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 09:29:41 AM
Premier League restarts today.
Like I said, no sports
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 09:31:26 AM
Premier League restarts today.
Napoli v. Juve at 3 for the Copa baby!
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 09:31:35 AM
I was wearing a mask and they were not.
They likely had lunch at Fuddruckers after our encounter.
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 09:34:41 AM
Like I said, no sports
Your failure to appreciate The Beautiful GameTM is your loss, not mine. You should look at this time as an opportunity to expand your horizons.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
THWRES ALREADY LIKE 4
sMothered looks like an all-time worst series
TLC "The Learning Channel" continues to put out highly intelligent #content
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 17, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Your failure to appreciate The Beautiful GameTM is your loss, not mine. You should look at this time as an opportunity to expand your horizons.
i have unfortunately been able to watch soccer very little and only peripherally over the past 2 years but the time off from all sports has re-invigorated me. i cannot wait to start watching again
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 09:45:53 AM
Quote
"The size of more than 250 football fields, Xinfadi claims to be the biggest wholesale food market in Asia, supplying up to 80% of the meat and vegetables to the capital's 22 million people"Definitely some dire potential here
Post by: Jumbo on June 17, 2020, 09:46:24 AM
Beijing apparently is in the infancy of a potentially severe second outbreak tied to the world's largest food market that
Definitely some dire potential here
Personally, I blame 90 Day Fiance
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
i have unfortunately been able to watch soccer very little and only peripherally over the past 2 years but the time off from all sports has re-invigorated me. i cannot wait to start watching again
First game is Aston Villa v Sheffield United. I give it 20 minutes before we say "why the freak am I watching this".
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 09:48:39 AM
Your failure to appreciate The Beautiful GameTM is your loss, not mine. You should look at this time as an opportunity to expand your horizons.Divegrass fans in shambles
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 17, 2020, 09:49:05 AM
First game is Aston Villa v Sheffield United. I give it 20 minutes before we say "why the freak am I watching this".
lmfaoooo you're probably right
but jack grealish is a baller, and i quite wouldn't mind if my club signed him this offseason, whenever that happens to be
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
Beijing apparently is in the infancy of a potentially severe second outbreak tied to the world's largest food market thatJust open it up and lock everyone in at noon. Corona Thunderdome.
Definitely some dire potential here
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 09:55:11 AM
Personally, I blame 90 Day Fiance
Big Ed brought coronavirus back to the states
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
Instead I’ll just rewatch Green Street Hooligans and pretend JE is Elijah Wood, shouldn’t take much imagination
That's such a bad movie. If you want to watch a genuinely good movie about football hooligans which really captures what those times were like, watch ID.
It's fairly closely based on Millwall who were for a long time one of the most feared firms in Europe.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113375/
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 11:08:18 AM
That's such a bad movie. If you want to watch a genuinely good movie about football hooligans which really captures what those times were like, watch ID.
It's fairly closely based on Millwall who were for a long time one of the most feared firms in Europe.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113375/
"freak you I'm Millwall" is still my favorite quote of the decade.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 11:17:11 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 11:18:27 AM
"freak you I'm Millwall" is still my favorite quote of the decade.
Did you ever see the Wealdstone Raider? Wealdstone is a small semi-pro club in West London playing in the lower leagues, this fan became internet famous after this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAhEFuq62-I
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 11:41:36 AM
Did you ever see the Wealdstone Raider? Wealdstone is a small semi-pro club in West London playing in the lower leagues, this fan became internet famous after this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAhEFuq62-I
Amazingly enough I saw this for the first time maybe two weeks ago, but set to it being a parody of a conversation with an NPC in oblivion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCtbiBf9Xe0 Found it!
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 11:51:54 AM
Amazingly enough I saw this for the first time maybe two weeks ago, but set to it being a parody of a conversation with an NPC in oblivion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCtbiBf9Xe0 Found it!
Now go watch ID and get a little bit of the flavour of what 1980s football hooliganism was really like.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 07:01:24 PM
Nebraska is making it de facto illegal for companies to force customers to wear masks, saying that companies that do that won't receive federal coronavirus aid. I thought republicans were in favor of less government.
https://www.omaha.com/news/state_and_regional/ricketts-tells-local-governments-they-wont-get-federal-covid-19-money-if-they-require-masks/article_d15459b9-26df-527e-9899-9f579a3d8597.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_OWHnews
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LINCOLN — At his regular coronavirus press conferences, Gov. Pete Ricketts makes a point of urging Nebraskans to wear a mask when they go to a store.
But when it comes to the state’s 93 courthouses and other local government offices, he doesn’t want local officials to require masks. In fact, he’s told local governments that they won’t receive any of the $100 million in federal COVID-19 money if their “customers” are required to wear masks.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:33:04 PM
It is absolutely comical how politicians are freaking up this pandemic.They're in favor of withholding things from people they imagine are unworthy, that's pretty consistent across the board.
Nebraska is making it de facto illegal for companies to force customers to wear masks, saying that companies that do that won't receive federal coronavirus aid. I thought republicans were in favor of less government.
https://www.omaha.com/news/state_and_regional/ricketts-tells-local-governments-they-wont-get-federal-covid-19-money-if-they-require-masks/article_d15459b9-26df-527e-9899-9f579a3d8597.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_OWHnews
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 08:40:49 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 08:43:11 PM
NBA players are going to wear some kind of techy smart ring that could predict covid with 90% accuracy up to 3 days before symptoms show?
Sounds a little fishy
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 08:49:14 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/look-nba-players-can-wear-oura-ring-to-track-potential-covid-19-symptoms-when-season-resumes-in/amp/Hey, if these rings work well enough, maybe they can be mass-produced.
NBA players are going to wear some kind of techy smart ring that could predict covid with 90% accuracy up to 3 days before symptoms show?
Sounds a little fishy
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 08:56:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Devilstower/status/1273322744084643840/photo/1
Always a little skeptical of random charts I see on Twitter, but this is a fun one.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
Hey, if these rings work well enough, maybe they can be mass-produced.
Well the device is already publicly available (for 300$) but I think the issue is the NBA has researchers and scientists reviewing their data. While lay people are on their own
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 05:59:46 AM
Hey, if these rings work well enough, maybe they can be mass-produced.No thank you.
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 06:01:26 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eau_nIoXkAEK27s?format=png&name=small)Goddamn coastal elites
https://twitter.com/Devilstower/status/1273322744084643840/photo/1
Always a little skeptical of random charts I see on Twitter, but this is a fun one.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 19, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 19, 2020, 11:24:59 AM
Florida hit a record high 3,000 cases yesterday. The governor is steadfast that there won't be any shutdowns. It's mostly farm workers and older people getting sick, so I guess freak them?
What a POS state
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 11:38:37 AM
Florida hit a record high 3,000 cases yesterday. The governor is steadfast that there won't be any shutdowns. It's mostly farm workers and older people getting sick, so I guess freak them?They may need to slide back from "it's actually not a big deal" to "we will never forgive China for this heinous attack" again.
Post by: Jumbo on June 19, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
Florida hit a record high 3,000 cases yesterday. The governor is steadfast that there won't be any shutdowns. It's mostly farm workers and older people getting sick, so I guess freak them?
Anyone who would still follow lockdown orders because the governor gave them is an huge idiot.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 19, 2020, 12:48:01 PM
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 11:19:13 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1275457530278432768?s=12
Wait till all the people start protesting against the vaccine
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Wait till all the people start protesting against the vaccine
that's when the cops should open fire. Provided you still have cops by the end of the year.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 11:47:22 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 12:09:21 PM
I'm not sure how many people will be jumping at the chance to stab themselves with a vaccine that has been rushed to market. I hope it's at least safe if not effective.
I think crazies gonna crazy.
But sensible people will just take it. I probably wouldn't get it if I had to go out and stand in line or get a doctor's appointment. But odds are it'll be mandatory for all Healthcare workers which means they'll just give it to you at work, long as you don't bill me for it stick me with whatever the freak ya got
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 12:44:10 PM
I'm not sure how many people will be jumping at the chance to stab themselves with a vaccine that has been rushed to market. I hope it's at least safe if not effective.
I'm with dcm, I think most people will go out of their way to get vaccinated.
Post by: IATA on June 23, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
If I'm gonna mutate and die, my kids better be able to get some cool excrement out of the deal.
Ya, dad's dead...but look at all this Lego?
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 01:17:13 PM
I'm not sure how many people will be jumping at the chance to stab themselves with a vaccine that has been rushed to market. I hope it's at least safe if not effective.
dcm is my food taster.
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 01:18:33 PM
I'll get it eventually, but they're gonna have to pay my derriere big big bucks to take the first freaking batch of it.
If I'm gonna mutate and die, my kids better be able to get some cool excrement out of the deal.
Ya, dad's dead...but look at all this Lego?
what's the worst that could happen....you might turn into the Hulk.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
dcm is my food taster.
I can't catch autism twice right?
Post by: MBGreen on June 23, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
I can't catch autism twice right?They’ll cancel each other out
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 23, 2020, 05:04:51 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/23/21300747/european-union-eu-ban-us-travel-coronavirus-reopening-borders-draft-list
Well, there goes my leave plans.
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 11:23:24 PM
that's when the cops should open fire.
On each other
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 11:24:48 PM
Well, there goes my leave plans.Come visit sunny upstate NY.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 10:43:14 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 10:59:22 AM
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 11:59:20 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
Very concerned about the hobo population in Houston getting wrecked by this
That's been a problem for us on multiple levels. Shelters are infection zones, with everyone working from home and no tourists the panhandlers aren't able to get anything, and because downtown is so quiet we've seen encampments popping up in a number of places. The city has expedited the deployment of a bunch of prefab homes that they had on order for social housing but it's not going to be enough.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 24, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Expecting that to happen in TX and LA at some point this week
5500 new cases in TX announced in one day. Stay safe man.
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 12:20:58 PM
5500 new cases in TX announced in one day. Stay safe man.They need to stop testing immediately to get those numbers down
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
That's been a problem for us on multiple levels. Shelters are infection zones, with everyone working from home and no tourists the panhandlers aren't able to get anything, and because downtown is so quiet we've seen encampments popping up in a number of places. The city has expedited the deployment of a bunch of prefab homes that they had on order for social housing but it's not going to be enough.
So Governor Abbot basically went to war against the homeless right before COVID started to really be a concern.
They built out encampments for large groups and they've basically become a wasteland comparable to Mad Max. Massive bonfires, bum fights, stabbings, crack heads running all over the place. It's terrifying to drive past them. I know at one point, there was an organization trying to put together shipping container homes almost 30 miles outside of Austin for the "transients" but not sure what's going on with that.
The city tried to push them further south and it kind of blew up in the faces. Now they're just camped all over downtown again and have fully occupied the underpass of the highway where 6th and 7th street meet (the most popular tourist spot before all this started).
It's disgusting here and Houston is WAY worse when it comes to homeless population.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 12:25:01 PM
5500 new cases in TX announced in one day. Stay safe man.
Nah dude, it's the PERFECT time to go tubing down the Guadalupe River.
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 12:27:19 PM
So Governor Abbot basically went to war against the homeless right before COVID started to really be a concern.Lol mad max
They built out encampments for large groups and they've basically become a wasteland comparable to Mad Max. Massive bonfires, bum fights, stabbings, crack heads running all over the place. It's terrifying to drive past them. I know at one point, there was an organization trying to put together shipping container homes almost 30 miles outside of Austin for the "transients" but not sure what's going on with that.
The city tried to push them further south and it kind of blew up in the faces. Now they're just camped all over downtown again and have fully occupied the underpass of the highway where 6th and 7th street meet (the most popular tourist spot before all this started).
It's disgusting here and Houston is WAY worse when it comes to homeless population.
Better start stockpiling gasoline
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
Lol mad max
Better start stockpiling gasoline
(https://www.kut.org/sites/kut/files/styles/x_large/public/201909/homeless_2.jpg)
Imagine this downtown, but at night, and on fire.
Paid parking? Let's up put a camp here so we can panhandle in front of the meter that only takes cards!
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 12:30:33 PM
So Governor Abbot basically went to war against the homeless right before COVID started to really be a concern.Damn if only there were enough unoccupied homes for these people to live in
They built out encampments for large groups and they've basically become a wasteland comparable to Mad Max. Massive bonfires, bum fights, stabbings, crack heads running all over the place. It's terrifying to drive past them. I know at one point, there was an organization trying to put together shipping container homes almost 30 miles outside of Austin for the "transients" but not sure what's going on with that.
The city tried to push them further south and it kind of blew up in the faces. Now they're just camped all over downtown again and have fully occupied the underpass of the highway where 6th and 7th street meet (the most popular tourist spot before all this started).
It's disgusting here and Houston is WAY worse when it comes to homeless population.
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 12:33:39 PM
(https://www.kut.org/sites/kut/files/styles/x_large/public/201909/homeless_2.jpg)Insane
Imagine this downtown, but at night, and on fire.
Paid parking? Let's up put a camp here so we can panhandle in front of the meter that only takes cards!
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
We drove to the east side to get some tacos and we were stopped a red light.
Across the street, I see a hobo crawl out of his makeshift tent like the Ice Cream Man from Legion...wearing nothing but whitey-tighties and a facemask (at least).
He stands up and starts walking towards us like It Follows.
Decided to go right on red because freak that.
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
Fun Bum Story:You’re on borrowed time
We drove to the east side to get some tacos and we were stopped a red light.
Across the street, I see a hobo crawl out of his makeshift tent like the Ice Cream Man from Legion...wearing nothing but whitey-tighties and a facemask (at least).
He stands up and starts walking towards us like It Follows.
Decided to go right on red because freak that.
Maybe bum fights will get added to Bodog.com
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 12:46:51 PM
Hopefully continue taking it slow and keep the progress we make.
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 12:50:24 PM
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1275823820448976897?s=19
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1275889418402922498?s=09Damn that's real?
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 04:10:19 PM
Damn that's real?Florida.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1275889418402922498?s=09
I couldn't watch more than the first 15-20 seconds
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1275889418402922498?s=09
Can't wait for those people to not realize nothing happens after they die
Post by: dcm1602 on June 24, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
Starting to look like other states may end up like NY at its peak real soon
I'd imagine by the middle of July we're going to see a huge wave of states peeling back their reopening campaigns. Because we all know 4th of July people are going to be massive jerkoffs
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 04:47:46 PM
Texas ICUs at 97% capicity
That's in Houston, not the entire state.
Still terrifying
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 06:20:44 PM
We did it, we finally beat corona
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 06:42:36 PM
https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/status/1275917243063255040?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 06:47:25 PM
But wait! There’s more!
https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/status/1275917243063255040?s=21
Well, see, that's your problem. You're testing too much. If you just tested less you wouldn't have so many positives. D'uh.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 07:08:37 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 24, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 24, 2020, 08:36:01 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 09:24:33 PM
Not sure if it's anectodal, but I noticed a level of hysteria at the grocery store tonight that I haven't seen since this thing started. Crazy people literally hoarding crap and tons of things with long shelf lifes being completely sold out again (ie pasta, cereal). Oddly enoguh plenty of bread this time around
It hasn't started yet here but I made it a point to go grab some toilet paper on my lunch break today
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 10:05:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 06:08:19 AM
It hasn't started yet here but I made it a point to go grab some toilet paper on my lunch break today
Time to stock up on Dude Wipes fellas
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 06:57:35 AM
Time to stock up on Dude Wipes fellasGold Bond Powder shortage soon.
Post by: delavan on June 25, 2020, 10:44:37 AM
Time to stock up on Dude Wipes fellas
Dude you deserve better - and besides, eventually it'll pay for itself eventually
https://www.totousa.com/neorest-700h-dual-flush-toilet-10-and-08-gpf-1
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 11:02:02 AM
Dude you deserve better - and besides, eventually it'll pay for itself eventually
https://www.totousa.com/neorest-700h-dual-flush-toilet-10-and-08-gpf-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83KLxQ1jjdg
Fill me up, Chandler!
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 11:29:04 AM
The absolute best doughnut place is closing, but they are getting what they deserved.
Apparently the owner told his employees not to wears masks anymore, so a lot of them quit and their service went down the drain. People also boycotted the place because that's nasty.
Their owner decided to open a new location in San Antonio ...last month... because he thought COVID was over with and that another location would "unburden" him from substantial debt he took on since the pandemic started.
Can't imagine being this stupid.
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 11:46:09 AM
A lot of cool spots are closing here.But small business owners are the backbone of America
The absolute best doughnut place is closing, but they are getting what they deserved.
Apparently the owner told his employees not to wears masks anymore, so a lot of them quit and their service went down the drain. People also boycotted the place because that's nasty.
Their owner decided to open a new location in San Antonio ...last month... because he thought COVID was over with and that another location would "unburden" him from substantial debt he took on since the pandemic started.
Can't imagine being this stupid.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 11:50:17 AM
But small business owners are the backbone of America(https://i.gifer.com/40eY.gif)
(https://i.gifer.com/3kzJ.gif)
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 25, 2020, 02:09:46 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 02:28:25 PM
I'm thankful my employer did an about-face on the return-to-the-office stance. I was ready to quit and now we're instead in a holding pattern to see how things progress over the next few weeks as other places/businesses open up. It looks like we may be home at least all of July now.
My wife was told they're working from home until October at the very least....and Winnipeg is considered the safest place virus-wise in North America outside of the Nunuvut (the North Pole).
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 25, 2020, 02:36:03 PM
My wife was told they're working from home until October at the very least....and Winnipeg is considered the safest place virus-wise in North America outside of the Nunuvut (the North Pole).
A buddy of mine who I used to work with has been told to stay remote until at least January, and if he doesn't want to return to the office, he never has to go back.
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 02:43:48 PM
A buddy of mine who I used to work with has been told to stay remote until at least January, and if he doesn't want to return to the office, he never has to go back.
We go from WFH Mandated to WFH Recommended on July 6th, we've grouped desks into "pods" of three and only one can be in use at any given time and you have to book your pod online before you can go in. All facilities including fridges, kitchen, coffee machine and so on are out of action and if you leave the office you can't return the same day, so you have to take everything you might want - food, coffee, water etc - with you. Meeting rooms are also closed and converted into offices temporarily, any meetings have to be held on the picnic tables outside.
Next step after that will be WFH Optional and that's likely to be our permanent state from here onwards. We used to allow staff to work from home when they needed to but the general expectation was that people would mostly come into the office, but we're likely to change that to WFH at the sole discretion of the employee without any need for managerial approval. We're lucky that what we do really doesn't require anyone to be in the office - it's just nice to be in that environment.
Suspect I'll go in once a week at very most during WFH Recommended and even then only for parts of the day. It doesn't sound like much fun.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
We go from WFH Mandated to WFH Recommended on July 6th
I'll be surprised if that's still the case when July 6th gets here
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
I'll be surprised if that's still the case when July 6th gets here
We're in Ontario. We could do it now if we wanted as we're in Stage 2 of reopening. Our numbers - new cases, hospitalisations, ICU - continue to track downwards. In a province of 14 million people we're adding fewer than 200 new cases a day, we have fewer than 300 people in hospital and around 70 in ICU. We're in a very different place to you.
Post by: reuben on June 25, 2020, 03:35:40 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 04:06:49 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hfl2pm/like_a_parks_and_rec_town_hall_meeting/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hfl2pm/like_a_parks_and_rec_town_hall_meeting/)
I FOUND A SANDWICH IN ONE OF YOUR PARKS AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY I DIDN'T HAVE MAYONNAISE!
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 04:07:22 PM
We're in a very different place to you.
okay guy
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 04:31:30 PM
okay guy
Context - Texas has three quarters the population of Canada. Yesterday you reported over twice as many new cases as we did on our worst day of this entire thing. Yesterday we reported 279 cases and you reported 5500. Your case numbers are still rising while ours have been declining for over a month, and you already have 25% more total confirmed cases than we do (126K v 102K).
We are in a controlled opening phase and there's no way my office won't be opening a week on Monday. excrement is under control here. Infections are down, hospitalisations are down, deaths are down. Our healthcare system never came close to being overwhelmed and our ICUs got to something like 40% of capacity at their worst. And we handled it worse than most of the other provinces.
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 04:33:15 PM
Context - Texas has three quarters the population of Canada. Yesterday you reported over twice as many new cases as we did on our worst day of this entire thing. Yesterday we reported 279 cases and you reported 5500. Your case numbers are still rising while ours have been declining for over a month, and you already have 25% more total confirmed cases than we do (126K v 102K).
We are in a controlled opening phase and there's no way my office won't be opening a week on Monday. excrement is under control here. Infections are down, hospitalisations are down, deaths are down. Our healthcare system never came close to being overwhelmed and our ICUs got to something like 40% of capacity at their worst. And we handled it worse than most of the other provinces.
Ontario and Quebec are still on the excrement list.
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 05:15:44 PM
Ontario and Quebec are still on the excrement list.
I did say that we handled it worse than the others. We just weren't US bad.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 25, 2020, 05:21:49 PM
Context - Texas has three quarters the population of Canada. Yesterday you reported over twice as many new cases as we did on our worst day of this entire thing. Yesterday we reported 279 cases and you reported 5500. Your case numbers are still rising while ours have been declining for over a month, and you already have 25% more total confirmed cases than we do (126K v 102K).
We are in a controlled opening phase and there's no way my office won't be opening a week on Monday. excrement is under control here. Infections are down, hospitalisations are down, deaths are down. Our healthcare system never came close to being overwhelmed and our ICUs got to something like 40% of capacity at their worst. And we handled it worse than most of the other provinces.
Stock on dude wipes. You've been forewarned.
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 05:22:22 PM
Stock on dude wipes. You've been forewarned.
#BidetMasterRace
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
#BidetMasterRaceDo they have bidets in work offices up there?
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Do they have bidets in work offices up there?
Pretty sure I can co-ordinate my shitting to not have to do it in the office.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 08:08:11 PM
Pretty sure I can co-ordinate my shitting to not have to do it in the office.I don't have that kind of zen-like bowel control. I eat breakfast, have some coffee, have to dump 30-90 minutes later. I'm not getting up earlier to avoid a work dump. I am a bidet fan though.
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 10:24:17 AM
@JesseRodriguez
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35m
A massive increase in Florida.
Florida reports single-day high 8,942 new coronavirus cases.
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 10:44:21 AM
Jesse Rodriguez
@JesseRodriguez
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35m
A massive increase in Florida.
Florida reports single-day high 8,942 new coronavirus cases.
Holy excrement that's huge
Post by: Heismanberg on June 26, 2020, 10:52:42 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 26, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
Post by: IATA on June 26, 2020, 12:25:03 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 26, 2020, 12:35:38 PM
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/06/24/two-charts-show-positive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 12:37:41 PM
Compare the case rate to Florida's deaths and hospitalization rate. Bizarre.They always say hospitalizations and deaths are a lagging indicator. I would expect those to rise later.
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/06/24/two-charts-show-positive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/
Post by: Jumbo on June 26, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
They always say hospitalizations and deaths are a lagging indicator. I would expect those to rise later.
Except it's been in approximately the same place for over a month
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
Except it's been in approximately the same place for over a monthI also think that the younger population is overrepresented now, and they typically have less severe outcomes.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 01:08:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
I also think that the younger population is overrepresented now, and they typically have less severe outcomes.
I feel like I should point out here, and I know you weren't saying this, that it's not because kids don't care and are just going to bars and licking each other with wild abandon, but because they're more likely to be working in front line jobs and so when bars and restaurants and malls and everything else open without restrictions, they're the ones getting all the exposure. They're also less likely to be able to afford to say "you know what, I'm not really comfortable returning to work in these circumstances so I'm going to prioritise my health over my job" because they haven't had the luxury of the time to build up things like savings and home equity and so on.
I'm pointing this out because I'm ready for the next narrative to start up with "young people caused this through their reckless behaviours" and I don't and won't accept it.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 26, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
I feel like I should point out here, and I know you weren't saying this, that it's not because kids don't care and are just going to bars and licking each other with wild abandon, but because they're more likely to be working in front line jobs and so when bars and restaurants and malls and everything else open without restrictions, they're the ones getting all the exposure. They're also less likely to be able to afford to say "you know what, I'm not really comfortable returning to work in these circumstances so I'm going to prioritise my health over my job" because they haven't had the luxury of the time to build up things like savings and home equity and so on.
I'm pointing this out because I'm ready for the next narrative to start up with "young people caused this through their reckless behaviours" and I don't and won't accept it.
Your takes on this have been so bad.
Yeah a lot of kids are working in essential roles but there’s also a ton of young people partying, at bars, and at beaches being careless.
It’s not just young people of course, but they are certainly living more dangerously and selfishly than most.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 01:51:32 PM
Anyone in congress who spoke out against this at the time was accused of holding up relief
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 10:25:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 10:36:33 PM
https://twitter.com/mirjordan/status/1276692729204862976?s=19
I'm presuming that there's a way that the administration can continue to appeal this through a series of increasingly sympathetic court until they get their way or have at least managed to destroy a significant amount more families.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2020, 12:51:01 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hfl2pm/like_a_parks_and_rec_town_hall_meeting/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hfl2pm/like_a_parks_and_rec_town_hall_meeting/)(https://i.imgur.com/IuxujTf.gif)
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2020, 09:49:34 AM
Post by: delavan on June 27, 2020, 10:27:19 AM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1276882898730323968?s=09
Karen's face could use a mask for the aesthetics alone. Bod-wise I'd give her a shot in the derriere.
Post by: reuben on June 27, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1276882898730323968?s=09
Saw on reddit that people who were there said she stood in line outside with the mask on for an hour. Then she took it off inside and just idly roamed the aisles waiting for someone to confront her. Cue scene.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2020, 04:01:21 PM
Saw on reddit that people who were there said she stood in line outside with the mask on for an hour. Then she took it off inside and just idly roamed the aisles waiting for someone to confront her. Cue scene.
People are standing in line for an hour to get into a grocery store?
Post by: reuben on June 27, 2020, 04:03:05 PM
People are standing in line for an hour to get into a grocery store?
Lots of places, yeah.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2020, 04:41:16 PM
Lots of places, yeah.That's mad. I've never seen a line of more than 10-15 minutes for any of my local stores.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2020, 05:33:44 PM
That's mad. I've never seen a line of more than 10-15 minutes for any of my local stores.Said it was opening day, so I can sort of see that if you have a boner for Trader Joe's and it just opened it your area. I wouldn't wait in line.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2020, 10:05:42 PM
Trader Joes tend to get packed for whatever reason. My local Giant never has a line. I tried going to Whole Foods once but gave up after I saw the produce section which held the entire population of the store.Both the TJs by my home and by my office are generally super crowded all the time, enough that I avoid them at all costs, and I actually like the store.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 27, 2020, 10:38:27 PM
Both the TJs by my home and by my office are generally super crowded all the time, enough that I avoid them at all costs, and I actually like the store.
this is my situation. i would prefer to shop at trader joe's but the line is always fckin bonkers. there are 2 TJ's in center city and one in a suburb just outside philly, and they're always packed to the brim. it's not that deep; i don't miss anything grocery shopping at shoprite/fresh grocer/acme
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2020, 10:42:42 PM
I don't get the TJ demand. I really don't. Is it just all the preprepared food because most people don't bother to cook?
Its because you get to be a little uppity queynte and tell everyone you shop at Trader Joe's. There's nothing like an 8 dollar jar of peanut butter
Sometimes they have unique baked products (breads and excrement) but trader Joe's doesn't hold a candle to whole foods
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2020, 10:46:21 PM
Its because you get to be a little uppity queynte and tell everyone you shop at Trader Joe's. There's nothing like an 8 dollar jar of peanut butter
Sometimes they have unique baked products (breads and excrement) but trader Joe's doesn't hold a candle to whole foods
Only cunts shop at whole foods
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2020, 10:55:42 PM
Only cunts shop at whole foods
Whole foods is definitely much more mainstream. It's basically a fancier version of Wegmans
Though to be fair I don't go to trader Joe's or Whole Foods but I'd definitely take whole foods over trader Joe's anyday
Post by: Heismanberg on June 28, 2020, 05:02:12 AM
Its because you get to be a little uppity queynte and tell everyone you shop at Trader Joe's. There's nothing like an 8 dollar jar of peanut butter
Sometimes they have unique baked products (breads and excrement) but trader Joe's doesn't hold a candle to whole foods
...have you ever been to Trader Joe's?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2020, 06:04:04 AM
...have you ever been to Trader Joe's?
Yeah its about 1/10th the size of a whole foods. And they get way more of their excrement shipped in, unlike whole foods who does all their own excrement on site.
I'm not a huge whole foods person but I think their bakery destroys all others. And their produce is pretty top notch. All their prepackaged bullshit is no different than everyone else's
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2020, 07:07:03 AM
Whole foods is definitely much more mainstream. It's basically a fancier version of WegmansWF is way more uppity than TJs.
Though to be fair I don't go to trader Joe's or Whole Foods but I'd definitely take whole foods over trader Joe's anyday
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2020, 07:29:47 AM
WF is way more uppity than TJs.
That's only because trader Joe's is pretty shitty. Trader Joe's is more aimed at crazy hippies who do their own composting
Post by: MBGreen on June 28, 2020, 09:36:43 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 28, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
i second the 'have you ever been to trader joe's?' query. and you have totally got the book reversed on TJ/WF. was not long ago that people shopped at whole foods despite their exorbitantly expensive prices, just so they could say they shop at whole foods.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 28, 2020, 10:28:36 AM
WF is way more uppity than TJs.
This
Post by: bojanglesman on June 29, 2020, 06:33:13 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on June 29, 2020, 09:45:51 PM
but trader joes pales in comparison to wegmans, the happiest place on earth
it's the disneyland of grocers
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 29, 2020, 11:14:51 PM
dcm clearly knows nothing about grocery stores
but trader joes pales in comparison to wegmans, the happiest place on earth
it's the disneyland of grocers
Gotta find me a Wegmans.
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 30, 2020, 11:36:33 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-monday-edition-1.5631285/this-former-u-s-health-insurance-exec-says-he-lied-to-americans-about-canadian-health-care-1.5631874
That guy came to our office last year. What a massive prick.
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2020, 11:50:22 AM
That guy came to our office last year. What a massive prick.
I don't understand where he's coming from. Did he have a Damascene conversion, or is he just dancing to the tune of whatever piper is paying him?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 30, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
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BREAKING: Fauci says US heading to 100,000 cases/day unless big changes are made.
US is not working on big changes.
Yuge
Post by: dcm1602 on June 30, 2020, 04:23:34 PM
Yuge
They definitely said we'd be looking at 100k cases a day in June
We're doing an absolute excrement job, but the predictions all don't seen very accurate
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2020, 04:59:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 30, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug
On a serious note what's the alternative? Getting bitched out for not doing enough?
Sure it makes a headline about how shitty we are for spending money. But it's not like we're talking about storing it in a bunker while other people are dying. This is the worst hit country so its understandable that the govt is going to do everything it can to protect its people
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drugY'all get Robitussin.
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2020, 07:25:41 PM
On a serious note what's the alternative? Getting bitched out for not doing enough?
Sure it makes a headline about how shitty we are for spending money. But it's not like we're talking about storing it in a bunker while other people are dying. This is the worst hit country so its understandable that the govt is going to do everything it can to protect its people
Rather than try and answer this myself, I will give you the view of a friend of mine who is a highly certified immunologist, and currently the CMO of a US biotech firm (he is British, based in the UK):
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Gilead (as US company)are the innovator and manufacturer and have gone with a price that is lower than predicted and is the same for all developed countries. They have provided for an access policy in the developing world through third party manufacturers (I’m not sure of the exact details) and the estimated price will be about 20% of the developed world price. This all feels about right.
Gilead are not obligated to provide the drug to everyone immediately if supply chain is an issue. So how do they prioritise?
The trials where the efficacy of remdesivir was demonstrated were conducted globally but primarily coordinated by the US National Institutes of Health. So there was an assumption of reciprocity. There are trials that have been conducted elsewhere and funded by governments and charities, so those countries should also expect to have access. The issue is also one of timing. There’s an argument that European countries may not need this until a second wave later in the year.
The US, the country with the highest number of infections and no sign of them abating has bought the next 3 months of supply as they said they would. They have said they would do the same for a vaccine and Sanofi (a vaccine developer) have confirmed that this is likely to be the case.
Alex Azar has trumpeted this as a US triumph. There no irony or embarrassment.
It’s a bit Moral Maze...
So yeah. It's probably not too bad. It still feels a bit Verucca Salt, but it's very on brand for this administration.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2020, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2020, 07:33:40 PM
I really think people may hate Ron DeSantis more than Trump.
Which people?
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2020, 08:14:31 PM
Rather than try and answer this myself, I will give you the view of a friend of mine who is a highly certified immunologist, and currently the CMO of a US biotech firm (he is British, based in the UK):
So yeah. It's probably not too bad. It still feels a bit Verucca Salt, but it's very on brand for this administration.
On brand indeed.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 30, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
RT.live
Post by: mj2sexay on June 30, 2020, 09:25:08 PM
I really think people may hate Ron DeSantis more than Trump.
Should've voted for the meth head instead I guess.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 30, 2020, 09:28:46 PM
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Should've voted for the meth head instead I guess.
Any random dude on bath salts could have handled this outbreak better.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 01, 2020, 12:47:40 AM
Well, this would suck.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly
Well fortunately there's a couple of million people out there who they can pretty easily test those findings against. The sample size was pretty small, plus it's China so
Post by: mj2sexay on July 01, 2020, 04:54:58 AM
Any random dude on bath salts could have handled this outbreak better.
Mhmmm.
The medias treatment of De Santis as opposed to Cuomo is Exhibit A in terms of media gaslighting/the media running to be the praetorian guard of anyone with a (D) next to their name.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 01, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Mhmmm.
The medias treatment of De Santis as opposed to Cuomo is Exhibit A in terms of media gaslighting/the media running to be the praetorian guard of anyone with a (D) next to their name.
NY State's cases are declining as of today, Florida's are still surging try again.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 01, 2020, 03:17:44 PM
NY State's cases are declining as of today, Florida's are still surging try again.Florida also had weeks and months to observe other states to see what worked and what didn't work, too. New York did not have that luxury.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2020, 03:23:08 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on July 01, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
Well, this would suck.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly
Yeah, I saw a few weeks ago that an Italian study had the same findings.
Until there's a widely available vaccine this isn't going away. And who knows if a vaccine will be effective? If antibodies degrade/disappear over time, who knows if a vaccine will need to be administered regularly. Imagine having to get a covid shot once every couple of months?
Post by: mj2sexay on July 02, 2020, 04:47:23 AM
NY State's cases are declining as of today, Florida's are still surging try again.
Ok, now lets compare death rate. The most important/viable stat.
This blind accounting for "cases' as opposed to death rate/increased testing etc. is peak taking a number and blindly asserting value to it.
Post by: MoreCharacters on July 02, 2020, 06:35:46 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 02, 2020, 07:31:41 AM
imagine actually being a trumpster in 2020 and staning desantis
It's easy if you try!
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 02, 2020, 10:11:24 AM
Ok, now lets compare death rate. The most important/viable stat.
This blind accounting for "cases' as opposed to death rate/increased testing etc. is peak taking a number and blindly asserting value to it.
This was a bad try.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 11:50:57 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 02, 2020, 12:37:46 PM
How do we reach these kids?
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 02, 2020, 01:13:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 02, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
https://twitter.com/abc/status/1278430344392388611?s=12
How do we reach these kids?
Maybe by not justifying the storming of state capitols by armed militia as legitimate protest against lockdowns?
Post by: mj2sexay on July 02, 2020, 03:26:13 PM
Over 100,000 people in the US died from COVID-19 in the last month, but yeah, lets look at the percentages.
Hahahaa why bother looking at actual stats and context and excrement hahaha.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 02, 2020, 03:52:19 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 02, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
Hahahaa why bother looking at actual stats and context and excrement hahaha.
This was worse.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
Hahahaa why bother looking at actual stats and context and excrement hahaha.
As of this moment, 128,024 people in the US have died from COVID-19.
This is an actual statistic.
That number is going to skyrocket as things take off in Florida and Texas.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 02, 2020, 09:13:07 PM
As of this moment, 128,024 people in the US have died from COVID-19.
This is an actual statistic.
That number is going to skyrocket as things take off in Florida and Texas.
But PERCENTAGES!!!!
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 09:14:42 PM
As of this moment, 128,024 people in the US have died from COVID-19.
This is an actual statistic.
That number is going to skyrocket as things take off in Florida and Texas.
Covid death rates per 100,000 population:
New York 161
UK 66
Spain 61
Italy 57
France 44
USA 38
Arizona 21
Florida 15
Texas 8
As of today, here is the most Covid deaths by state in the last week (do note that the panic over Florida/Arizona/Texas has been going for over a week): https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-u-s-map-shows-number-fatalities-compared-confirmed-n1166966
New York was seeing >800 deaths per day at its peak. New York's death rate is higher or approximately equal than all three of those states right now. The hugely problematic Florida, Texas, and Arizona aren't even approaching triple digit death rates. Florida's rolling average is lower than it was 50 days ago. What kind of exponential curve are we talking here?
The number of cases' correlation with death rates has gone significantly down as the average age of the people catching it has gone down and as tests have become more available. Going to take a big guess that those things are correlated.
This website is some good browsing for visuals: https://covidusa.net/?state=New%20Jersey https://covidusa.net/?state=New%20York https://covidusa.net/?state=Arizona https://covidusa.net/?state=Texas https://covidusa.net/?state=Florida
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 02, 2020, 09:19:21 PM
Eat a big freaking dick with that percentages bullshit.
Yeah, I'm drunk. And still, freak that percentages bullshit.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 02, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
No one has any idea what the lasting effect of the virus has on survivors. Numerous cases have resulted in permanent damage to the lungs, but who cares amirite? freak old people. And kids don't get it, except the ones who do. And young people will be fine, except the ones who have freaking strokes in their 30s, but freak them too.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 02, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
But PERCENTAGES!!!!
What a milquetoast response.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 09:54:33 PM
Oh, and I just LOVE the whole "Well if people don't die, then whatevs" bullshit too.
No one has any idea what the lasting effect of the virus has on survivors. Numerous cases have resulted in permanent damage to the lungs, but who cares amirite? freak old people. And kids don't get it, except the ones who do. And young people will be fine, except the ones who have freaking strokes in their 30s, but freak them too.
But Jumbo’s economy!
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 09:58:28 PM
Covid death rates per 100,000 population:
New York 161
UK 66
Spain 61
Italy 57
France 44
USA 38
Arizona 21
Florida 15
Texas 8
As of today, here is the most Covid deaths by state in the last week (do note that the panic over Florida/Arizona/Texas has been going for over a week): https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-u-s-map-shows-number-fatalities-compared-confirmed-n1166966
New York was seeing >800 deaths per day at its peak. New York's death rate is higher or approximately equal than all three of those states right now. The hugely problematic Florida, Texas, and Arizona aren't even approaching triple digit death rates. Florida's rolling average is lower than it was 50 days ago. What kind of exponential curve are we talking here?
The number of cases' correlation with death rates has gone significantly down as the average age of the people catching it has gone down and as tests have become more available. Going to take a big guess that those things are correlated.
This website is some good browsing for visuals: https://covidusa.net/?state=New%20Jersey https://covidusa.net/?state=New%20York https://covidusa.net/?state=Arizona https://covidusa.net/?state=Texas https://covidusa.net/?state=Florida
I don’t give a freak, man.
80% of the ICU is full here. I don’t care if it’s seniors or smokers or immunocompromised people.
A excrement ton of people are dying and you seem to be focused on young people not dying...but they can still spread it to people that it has a better shot at killing.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 02, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
It freaking sickens me that there are motherfuckers in this country that think even a SINGLE freaking death is an acceptable loss to this virus. We had China AND Italy as freaking warnings before this excrement started killing Americans.
Eat a big freaking dick with that percentages bullshit.
Yeah, I'm drunk. And still, freak that percentages bullshit.
Why focus on what can be measured, what we can determine, what we can try to figure out? Data is just dumb bullshit. Nah, freak this counterproductive mindset.
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 10:28:16 PM
I don’t give a freak, man.
80% of the ICU is full here. I don’t care if it’s seniors or smokers or immunocompromised people.
A excrement ton of people are dying and you seem to be focused on young people not dying...but they can still spread it to people that it has a better shot at killing.
Very convenient to not give a freak about the data that's staring right in your face lol. People dying is bad, wow what a brave stance to take. I'm sure you'll have people lining up to disagree with you on that one.
I'm curious why no one is bringing up Georgia now. They opened up first, they were experimenting with human sacrifice?
But Jumbo’s economy!
Very mature and nuanced take here. I see your point now. freak small business owners, they can go to hell for all I care.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 10:33:59 PM
I'm curious why no one is bringing up Georgia now.
Georgia is extremely rural aside from Atlanta. It's also half the size of both Florida and Texas.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 10:35:23 PM
Over 130,000 dead in a few months but don't you dare shut down my mom and pop sandwich shop.
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 10:45:14 PM
Someone give Jumbo a freaking bag of Tostito's for his defense of small business.
Over 130,000 dead in a few months but don't you dare shut down my mom and pop sandwich shop.
Very, very easy to say incredibly stupid excrement like this when you don't have any skin in the game. It's not gonna affect you, so who cares right? Is there no possible middle ground besides shut down forever until a vaccine that may or may not come or work and re-open everything?
We have a good idea of how this spreads now. Avoiding indoor gatherings is smart, but we still have governors opting to shut down beaches and outdoor activities when that doesn't really make sense.
I'll take that bag of Tostitos now.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 02, 2020, 10:52:10 PM
However in this case shitty decision making from millions of people has led to a devastating loss of life AND an absolutely crippling impact on the economy.
I know people want to pretend that you can just open things up and a handful of stragglers will die but everything will be alright otherwise. But all its going to do is drag this excrement out kill more people and slow bleed the economy.
I'm very much a go-go economy cheerleader but it's blatantly freaking obvious that what we've done and what we're doing is in no way the best thing for the economy.
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
I mean poverty can kill people in a different way so economic concerns are legitimate.
However in this case shitty decision making from millions of people has led to a devastating loss of life AND an absolutely crippling impact on the economy.
I know people want to pretend that you can just open things up and a handful of stragglers will die but everything will be alright otherwise. But all its going to do is drag this excrement out kill more people and slow bleed the economy.
I'm very much a go-go economy cheerleader but it's blatantly freaking obvious that what we've done and what we're doing is in no way the best thing for the economy.
The US isn't the only country in the world. Countries with varying levels of mask usage and lockdown have all fared (mostly) better than the US. Much like we don't know about the long-term effects of Covid, we don't know overly much about what public policy is most effective because the data gives mixed indicators. "What we've done" varies highly from state to state.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 02, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
The US isn't the only country in the world. Countries with varying levels of mask usage and lockdown have all fared (mostly) better than the US. Much like we don't know about the long-term effects of Covid, we don't know overly much about what public policy is most effective because the data gives mixed indicators. "What we've done" varies highly from state to state.
100% it's a guessing game. An educated guessing game and hindsight is 2020 but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the United States decision making (relative to most major countries) has not been good for preventing the spread of the disease OR the economy.
If the spread of the disease was like it is now but we were on track to have the strongest economy in the world then sure you can make a legitimate argument. But I think we're going to bleed the most medically and financially because of the path we're on. And it's like we've made so many wrong decisions that it's hard to even say what's going to right the ship at this point. It's almost like we're in a position where we can't stop the bleeding we can just slow it down and hope the loss of lives/economy isn't too great
And in hindsight it's easy to say, but I think if we majorly locked excrement down from the get-go that not only would the loss of lives be severely reduced hut so would the economic impact
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 11:15:19 PM
Very, very easy to say incredibly stupid excrement like this when you don't have any skin in the game.
Yeah, when people are dying it's very easy for me to not be concerned about your business or anyone else's.
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we still have governors opting to shut down beaches and outdoor activities when that doesn't really make sense.
It doesn't make sense? You are seriously underestimating how stupid people are.
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Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 11:35:26 PM
100% it's a guessing game. An educated guessing game and hindsight is 2020 but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the United States decision making (relative to most major countries) has not been good for preventing the spread of the disease OR the economy.
If the spread of the disease was like it is now but we were on track to have the strongest economy in the world then sure you can make a legitimate argument. But I think we're going to bleed the most medically and financially because of the path we're on. And it's like we've made so many wrong decisions that it's hard to even say what's going to right the ship at this point. It's almost like we're in a position where we can't stop the bleeding we can just slow it down and hope the loss of lives/economy isn't too great
And in hindsight it's easy to say, but I think if we majorly locked excrement down from the get-go that not only would the loss of lives be severely reduced hut so would the economic impact
We can only make decisions going forward. Don't know if I agree with that, as lockdowns have shown inconsistent effects on covid rates/death rates:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZRXNvsUEAEXU7P.png)
Even among countries with markedly different policies:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZRXrI5U4AIR71r.png)
And in the US:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYJx9xpU8AA7CUo.png)
None of this is conclusive, of course. But the incubation period seems to have more correlation on a longer timeframe than lockdowns would generally help:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea99jlpUYAEDNxx.png)
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 11:39:19 PM
Yeah, when people are dying it's very easy for me to not be concerned about your business or anyone else's.
Again, this is meaningless. You're just picking the trade-off that's more obvious on the surface.
"People are dying" all the time. We make trade-offs that increase our risk of dying all the time, because most people don't have a view of life that we're just here to be biological organisms. Thought experiment: If you could save 1,000,000 people's lives by making it so no people could ever listen to music again, would you do it? If not, does that mean that you're okay with people dying?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 11:41:12 PM
Thought experiment: If you could save 1,000,000 people's lives by making it so no people could ever listen to music again, would you do it? If not, does that mean that you're okay with people dying?
what
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 11:43:19 PM
what
Music is banned. No one can listen to it ever again. It's completely eliminated from the world. In exchange, one million people have their lives saved.
It's not real and it's not going to happen, it's a theoretical question.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 02, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
Music is banned. No one can listen to it ever again. It's completely eliminated from the world. In exchange, one million people have their lives saved.
It's not real and it's not going to happen, it's a theoretical question.
No, I understood your question. I'm just baffled that you came up with it and thought it was a reasonable thing to ask.
Post by: Jumbo on July 02, 2020, 11:49:33 PM
No, I understood your question. I'm just baffled that you came up with it and thought it was a reasonable thing to ask.
Why is it not a reasonable thing to ask? It's an analogous parallel. The point is that things that give people's lives meaning are not bonuses, but part of what living a life is. I don't think it's particularly fair to decide that things can just be shut down and you don't care because "people are dying," so I have now drawn you this parallel. If you still don't wanna see it, whatever.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 03, 2020, 06:21:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 03, 2020, 06:23:20 AM
Edit: dammit SFD
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 03, 2020, 08:52:21 AM
Music is banned. No one can listen to it ever again. It's completely eliminated from the world. In exchange, one million people have their lives saved.
It's not real and it's not going to happen, it's a theoretical question.
When people say there are no stupid questions I'm going to read them this.
Post by: Johnny English on July 03, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/222/2/214/5841129
Post by: bojanglesman on July 03, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
Back to the science stuff:
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/222/2/214/5841129
So now I have to group masturbate in my yard?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 03, 2020, 03:03:33 PM
Back to the science stuff:
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/222/2/214/5841129
Quote
"Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," Trump said, adding: "Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way."
Is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?" Trump asked his experts at the briefing, adding: "It sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful."
Post by: Johnny English on July 03, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
Funny, I did think of that when I saw this study. That's not really what it's saying though - it's about the virus being neutralised more quickly on inert / non-porous surfaces in the sunlight vs indoors, and thus reducing the risk of surface transfer.
At best, it's him hearing a conjectured thing in a briefing (which is a bonus for him, I grant you) and extrapolating it into a completely different and non-viable environment.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 04, 2020, 08:22:44 AM
It freaking sickens me that there are motherfuckers in this country that think even a SINGLE freaking death is an acceptable loss to this virus. We had China AND Italy as freaking warnings before this excrement started killing Americans.
Eat a big freaking dick with that percentages bullshit.
Yeah, I'm drunk. And still, freak that percentages bullshit.
Man, you should really hate Cuomo, Wolf, Whitmer and Murphy since it was their idiocy that was DIRECTLY responsible for some 40% of the deaths from this virus in this country.
When people say there are no stupid questions I'm going to read them this.
Ah yes, Jumbo called out the logical fallacy running rampant in this place-he must be mocked, ridiculed and struggle sessioned so as never to go against The Board again.
Post by: ons on July 04, 2020, 08:42:26 AM
Music is banned. No one can listen to it ever again. It's completely eliminated from the world. In exchange, one million people have their lives saved.
It's not real and it's not going to happen, it's a theoretical question.
The thing about proper quarantining and social distancing is that the more comprehensively it was applied, the less time it would have to be in place. Strong directives across all states that shut things down with minimal social contact in a coordinated effort with high compliance means it would be significantly easier to contact trace down the road and open things up more comprehensively faster. To play along with the premise of the question, it would be more akin to asking people to not listen to music for two months for the sake of everyone being able to listen to music safely down the road.
Man, you should really hate Cuomo, Wolf, Whitmer and Murphy since it was their idiocy that was DIRECTLY responsible for some 40% of the deaths from this virus in this country.
I think that's a reasonable take, although I'm generally more sympathetic to earlier hit areas when less was known about both transmission and treatment. I wasn't paying close attention to messaging/shut-down measures in most states, but I thought NY did a relatively atrocious job early on. Not necessarily too little, but significantly too late. I hope death rates remain low, but I'd guess as the pandemic continues, we'll hit critical hospital bed shortages in at least a couple of areas leading to another spike in what should've been easily preventable deaths, especially as fall and flu season approach.
Post by: Badger on July 05, 2020, 08:04:51 PM
I mean poverty can kill people in a different way so economic concerns are legitimate. You just need to take a look at the people hit hardest by this and the correlation with socioeconomics and its pretty clear that the economy is tied to your health and life/quality of life in a major wayPoverty is, in the US in the year 2020, completely curable. Can't say the same for covid yet. All economic suffering (actual suffering, not falling short of a projected fortune) can be alleviated. We just choose not to do this.
However in this case shitty decision making from millions of people has led to a devastating loss of life AND an absolutely crippling impact on the economy.
I know people want to pretend that you can just open things up and a handful of stragglers will die but everything will be alright otherwise. But all its going to do is drag this excrement out kill more people and slow bleed the economy.
I'm very much a go-go economy cheerleader but it's blatantly freaking obvious that what we've done and what we're doing is in no way the best thing for the economy.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 06, 2020, 07:26:13 AM
Poverty is, in the US in the year 2020, completely curable. Can't say the same for covid yet. All economic suffering (actual suffering, not falling short of a projected fortune) can be alleviated. We just choose not to do this.
If you think poverty is easier to cure than COVID you've been drinking too much Bernie juice.
Name modern country that doesn't have poverty? Maybe one country ever all time?
Post by: Badger on July 06, 2020, 07:36:23 AM
If you think poverty is easier to cure than COVID you've been drinking too much Bernie juice.
Name modern country that doesn't have poverty? Maybe one country ever all time?
Poverty in the US is directly the result of commodifying human needs and punishing people with a perceived lack of economic value. We have enough resources to do away with it.
Post by: Johnny English on July 06, 2020, 03:08:56 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 06, 2020, 03:17:06 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 06, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Could also go in a number of other threads, including Only In Florida, Horrific Things and Homicide Cases.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/
While there's smoke there, there's a ton of highly questionable things about the article. Especially its reliance on the word allegedly. Not to mention the source for everything seems to be a disgruntled employee who should in theory have an agenda.
Entirely possible it's 100% true, but it sounds shady as freak
Post by: reuben on July 06, 2020, 04:56:22 PM
It's airborne. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN-9uPFi1Bs)
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2020, 11:04:23 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2020, 08:43:24 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 08, 2020, 10:23:15 AM
#BREAKING: Murphy order to require face coverings outdoors in NJ when social distancing not possible
Good.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2020, 11:52:44 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
https://twitter.com/bobbycblanchard/status/1280903114749554690?s=19
Better they die at home instead of inside of someone's small business
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 11:05:43 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 11:45:19 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 11:46:21 AM
I just don't see how this is going to work consistently this season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 12:17:34 PM
BAN MUSIC
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
The NFLPA should just tell the players to sit out. There’s no reason to risk it.
Considering the survival rate for someone in their 20s/30s and the average NFL salary I think there's plenty of reason to risk it.
I mean who wouldn't risk a <1% chance of death to make between several hundred thousand to several million over the course of less than a year?
Sure players with complex family situations have a different story, but they could always go the isolation path for the season.
I'm all for players making their own decisions in their best interest, but from a risk vs reward standpoint I'd say the benefits outweigh the risks
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2020, 03:56:50 PM
Considering the survival rate for someone in their 20s/30s and the average NFL salary I think there's plenty of reason to risk it.
Sure players with complex family situations have a different story, but they could always go the isolation path for the season.
Young pro athletes have a storied history of making very responsible choices. Very trustworthy. I'm sure they won't go clubbing or have a titty show party with 100 of their closest friends or anything. It's fine.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 04:07:18 PM
Young pro athletes have a storied history of making very responsible choices. Very trustworthy. I'm sure they won't go clubbing or have a titty show party with 100 of their closest friends or anything. It's fine.
I'm not talking about them being responsible to each other. I'm saying if someone's concerned about giving his wife or kids COVID but wants the x million dollars for playing, they can easily opt to play the entire season on the road so they can bank that check with 0 risks of infecting their loved ones.
Obviously the players will do all kinds of stupid excrement (see Zeke)
But again the survival rates for someone in their 20s and 30s is over 99%. Factor in the fact that these people are in their 20s 30s world class athletes rich and have access to the world's best medical care. I don't think it's a stretch to say their odds of death are virtually non existent although still possible
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 09, 2020, 04:10:26 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 04:12:26 PM
Considering the survival rate for someone in their 20s/30s and the average NFL salary I think there's plenty of reason to risk it.
Von Miller had COVID and he said he's still having some respiratory trouble.
We don't know the long term issues this thing can cause in 20s/30s either.
There's no need to rush into this.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 04:12:57 PM
Took 10 days to get back my COVID test results. Our testing is clearly working perfectly. I'm negative, as I expected (no symptoms).
Were you exposed to someone that had it?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
Von Miller had COVID and he said he's still having some respiratory trouble.
We don't know the long term issues this thing can cause in 20s/30s either.
There's no need to rush into this.
Oh I'm not saying anything about rushing into anything.
I'm suggesting that if most people people were put in these guys shoes, they would opt to play. Not out of love for the fans or any bushit like that. Just from a simple risk vs reward scenario, where they'd be weighing the potential of earning more money than 99% of people will earn in their lifetime vs a miniscule chance of poor health outcomes.
Obviously guys will and should opt out if they'd do choose we it's their right. But I think the rewards are simply too great for most.
However if the nfl doesn't freeze contracts, then that obviously skews risk vs reward for players on low earning contracts
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2020, 04:35:56 PM
I'm not talking about them being responsible to each other. I'm saying if someone's concerned about giving his wife or kids COVID but wants the x million dollars for playing, they can easily opt to play the entire season on the road so they can bank that check with 0 risks of infecting their loved ones.
Obviously the players will do all kinds of stupid excrement (see Zeke)
But again the survival rates for someone in their 20s and 30s is over 99%. Factor in the fact that these people are in their 20s 30s world class athletes rich and have access to the world's best medical care. I don't think it's a stretch to say their odds of death are virtually non existent although still possible
I guess death is the only concern? No possible long-term symptoms or anything.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 04:41:12 PM
I guess death is the only concern? No possible long-term symptoms or anything.
I'm no expert, but I haven't seen anything to suggest long term problems in young healthy people.
Sure if you're 70 with COPD and are on a vent for 3 months you'll probably be fucked up a while.
But again for the money vs the risk I'd imagine the overwhelming majority of people would be chasing the money.
And anecdotally that's what I've seen from observation. I think people should be smart and not act like jerkoffs. But wave a 7 figure check in front of me and I'm more than willing to roll the dice
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
I'm no expert, but I haven't seen anything to suggest long term problems in young healthy people.
Sure if you're 70 with COPD and are on a vent for 3 months you'll probably be fucked up a while.
But again for the money vs the risk I'd imagine the overwhelming majority of people would be chasing the money.
And anecdotally that's what I've seen from observation. I think people should be smart and not act like jerkoffs. But wave a 7 figure check in front of me and I'm more than willing to roll the dice
We were just talking about Von Miller having continued lung problems. There are 20 and 30 year olds on ventilators. No one is invincible.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 09, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
Were you exposed to someone that had it?No, but I was on a flight from LAX, and I'm staying with my mother and grandma, so I wanted to make sure. The long delay kind of made the test useless, but I'm glad I'm good.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 06:37:11 PM
We were just talking about Von Miller having continued lung problems. There are 20 and 30 year olds on ventilators. No one is invincible.
Unless I missed something the only thing I saw was von Miller saying he still has some shortness of breath 4 weeks after he got it.
I understand nobody is invincible. I'm suggesting that the allure of the rewards of an nfl contract for one season for an elite athlete in their 20s and 30s dramatically outweighs potential risks.
If anyone on this board (barring serious pre-existing conditions for self or a spouse/child) pass on 1 million + to work this year under conditions where you had an extremely high chance of getting covid?
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 06:50:00 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1281354114086178827?s=19
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
No, but I was on a flight from LAX, and I'm staying with my mother and grandma, so I wanted to make sure. The long delay kind of made the test useless, but I'm glad I'm good.
Yeah, good to hear you don’t have it
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2020, 06:52:49 PM
Yeah, good to hear you don’t have itHe does have derriere AIDS though. And crabs.
Post by: reuben on July 09, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
I understand nobody is invincible. I'm suggesting that the allure of the rewards of an nfl contract for one season for an elite athlete in their 20s and 30s dramatically outweighs potential risks.
You're comparing one year of salary to a lifetime of earnings they'd sacrifice if they develop persistent respiratory conditions. It's a no-brainer for guys on elite contracts under 30 to sit out the season. Absolute no-brainer.
The guys that are going to be pushing to play are the fringe roster guys, guys earning below 1M per season who need that income. The superstars can and should sit out. I hate the idea of no football this year but I hate the idea of Sam Darnold retiring at 25 due to asthma much, much more.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2020, 07:02:46 PM
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 07:04:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 08:44:35 PM
Rick DeSantis is a piece of excrement.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 09, 2020, 08:55:56 PM
He does have derriere AIDS though. And crabs.Still waiting on those test results. Less optimistic.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 09, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
The reality is that the overwhelming majority of these guys will be fine. But some won't. I wouldn't spin that wheel.Exactly. The overwhelming majority will be fine. But some young people have complications. And we talk about preexisting conditions. Not everyone knows all of their preexisting conditions. NFL players are more likely to know all theirs because they get examined by doctors more than most, but you never know.
If you spun a wheel where 990 results gave you $100 million dollars, 9 results gave you permanent damage, and 1 result killed you, would you spin it? I might consider it.
But if all you're getting from a successful spin is $10 million when I already have $50 million in the bank, would you do it then?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 09:15:07 PM
The heavier guys should be more concerned, honestly. While they are definitely elite athletes for their size, their respiratory system isn't built like we'd see in skilled position athletes.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 10, 2020, 08:17:45 AM
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2020, 08:19:07 AM
“If you can do Home Depot, if you can do Walmart, you can definitely do the schools.”Love to spend 35-40 hours a week at Home Depot
Rick DeSantis is a piece of excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 10, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Love to spend 35-40 hours a week at Home Depot
I kinda wish I could. I like to roam the aisles and look at tools I've never heard of and figure out a way to justify purchasing it.
Post by: Johnny English on July 10, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
Love to spend 35-40 hours a week at Home Depot
I see you're familiar with the way I do home renovation projects.
Post by: MBGreen on July 10, 2020, 08:25:13 AM
I kinda wish I could. I like to roam the aisles and look at tools I've never heard of and figure out a way to justify purchasing it.
Dad...is that you?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 10, 2020, 09:11:47 AM
Dad...is that you?Ask your Mom.....
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Post by: MBGreen on July 10, 2020, 09:20:16 AM
Ask your Mom.....
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Mom doesn't like Home Depot.....maybe if you were in Bed Bath and Beyond.
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2020, 10:22:24 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 10, 2020, 05:16:39 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 10, 2020, 06:08:00 PM
we're still learning things about this virus all the time. i could buy somebody saying they want to see more data/more information, but the amount of people that i see online posting stuff like it's a hoax/it's a way for the gov't to exert control over the people/it's a pharma-backed vaccine initiative etc etc etc.........is depressing.
it can be looked at via partisan spectacles and in a lot of instances it can in fact be analyzed that way, but it's not true in every instance. for example, would you consider novak djokovic a republican/trumper etc? no, but he was still completely irresponsible in the planning and the precautions of his tournament, and gave it to himself and many other people, and he is part of the god awful anti vaccine group
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 10, 2020, 06:47:55 PM
i didn't think that would actually end with his deathI don't know what Djokovic's political party is, but clearly he's an idiot. That's one thing all these people have in common.
we're still learning things about this virus all the time. i could buy somebody saying they want to see more data/more information, but the amount of people that i see online posting stuff like it's a hoax/it's a way for the gov't to exert control over the people/it's a pharma-backed vaccine initiative etc etc etc.........is depressing.
it can be looked at via partisan spectacles and in a lot of instances it can in fact be analyzed that way, but it's not true in every instance. for example, would you consider novak djokovic a republican/trumper etc? no, but he was still completely irresponsible in the planning and the precautions of his tournament, and gave it to himself and many other people, and he is part of the god awful anti vaccine group
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 10, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Post by: Badger on July 11, 2020, 08:05:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1281789096852180992?s=19
Post by: Badger on July 12, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
Post by: delavan on July 13, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-says-he-tested-positive-for-covid-19-prior-to-rockets-departure-to-orlando-bubble/
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 13, 2020, 01:11:05 PM
NYC announced zero COVID deaths today, for the first time since March 11.
This is clearly a media attack on DeSantis.
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2020, 01:13:29 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 13, 2020, 01:45:40 PM
Manitoba is down to a single active COVID19 case.
Wow. That's great
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
Wow. That's great
I don't think that anyone should be proud of having a quarter of their province's population infected.
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2020, 02:03:53 PM
I don't think that anyone should be proud of having a quarter of their province's population infected.
Manitoba's population is 1,377,517 strong.....which is probably still too many. I don't like to share.
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
Manitoba's population is 1,377,517 strong.....which is probably still too many. I don't like to share.
Less than the population of the Bronx living on a quarter of a million square miles of land. Social distancing isn't so much pandemic management as it is everyday life.
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2020, 02:09:04 PM
Less than the population of the Bronx living on a quarter of a million square miles of land. Social distancing isn't so much pandemic management as it is everyday life.
we're really not that spaced out. Manitoba has 110,000 lakes.
I suppose we really handled the virus outbreak quite well. And our hockey team is better than yours. The superiority just doesn't stop.
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2020, 02:40:24 PM
we're really not that spaced out. Manitoba has 110,000 lakes.
I suppose we really handled the virus outbreak quite well. And our hockey team is better than yours. The superiority just doesn't stop.
According to the wiki, Manitoba is made up of 548,360km2 of land. That's 2.512 people per km2, meaning that maintaining a social distance of 500m from other people at all times, never mind 6 feet, should be well within your capabilities.
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2020, 02:45:10 PM
According to the wiki, Manitoba is made up of 548,360km2 of land. That's 2.512 people per km2, meaning that maintaining a social distance of 500m from other people at all times, never mind 6 feet, should be well within your capabilities.
you've obviously never dealt with drunk natives before.
#HerdingCats
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 13, 2020, 03:23:04 PM
we are witnessing a fight about canada. lol
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2020, 03:26:18 PM
Manitoba's population is 1,377,517 strong.....which is probably still too many. I don't like to share.Bears don't count.
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2020, 03:28:49 PM
i hope everybody/you guys don't take this personally when i say this, but this is yet another thread gone gay. i do genuinely find it amusing when threads take the turn hahaYou’ll have to forgive JE, he was on the debate team.
we are witnessing a fight about canada. lol
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
i hope everybody/you guys don't take this personally when i say this, but this is yet another thread gone gay. i do genuinely find it amusing when threads take the turn haha
we are witnessing a fight about canada. lol
Maybe if you'd stop whining and pay attention you might learn something about the world outside your borders.
#AllGeographiesMatter
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 13, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Maybe if you'd stop whining and pay attention you might learn something about the world outside your borders.
#AllGeographiesMatter
hey
i love canada
Post by: delavan on July 13, 2020, 06:50:04 PM
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Post by: Badger on July 13, 2020, 08:52:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 14, 2020, 03:17:37 PM
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Here's the the total number of Covid-19 deaths thus far this month (the first 14 days in July):
Florida: 904 deaths
Spain: 44 deaths
Germany: 103 deaths
Canada: 196 deaths
Italy: 224 deaths
REOPEN THE BEACHES!
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 14, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
these people have been to disney world before
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2020, 04:18:16 PM
REOPEN THE BEACHES!Nonsense. Their reviews and ratings have been tremendous
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 14, 2020, 04:23:08 PM
REOPEN THE BEACHES!
BAN THE MUSIC!
disney world is open, and there are people posting their visits to disney world on social media.
these people have been to disney world before
Might not be there again after this.
Post by: reuben on July 14, 2020, 04:23:58 PM
freak this garbage state and all its garbage people.
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Post by: Heismanberg on July 14, 2020, 04:28:16 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hr5tp7/how_tf_is_mandating_a_mask_communism/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hr5tp7/how_tf_is_mandating_a_mask_communism/)
freak this garbage state and all its garbage people.
Damn, that fat chick is really upset about having to move a piece of cloth away from her mouth before she chows down on her grilled cheese.
Post by: klaximilian on July 14, 2020, 04:36:02 PM
While technically not a gym (we're by appointment only) we were open for maybe 6 hours before that announcement was made.
And not even 3 hours later, he announced that SCC gyms will re-close starting Wednesday.
F*ck you Gavin Newsom.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 14, 2020, 04:38:34 PM
As for the beach stuff, I'm torn. If people are outdoors, the virus isn't nearly as big of a deal. There should be plenty of space on beaches to spread out. People won't do it, but it's still much harder to spread the virus outside than it would be at a gym or restaurant.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 14, 2020, 04:46:52 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hr5tp7/how_tf_is_mandating_a_mask_communism/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hr5tp7/how_tf_is_mandating_a_mask_communism/)
freak this garbage state and all its garbage people.
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Damn, anti-maskers really are a thing now
Post by: Heismanberg on July 14, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
There should be plenty of space on beaches to spread out.
Said the same thing to Jumbo: you are seriously underestimating how stupid people are
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That was 10 days ago during the holiday.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
But going out to protest is perfectly safe and responsible.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 14, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
Odd how people going to beaches are dangerous and makes them assholes.
But going out to protest is perfectly safe and responsible.
It's truly a damn shame a cop hasn't buried his knee into your neck
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 14, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
Odd how people going to beaches are dangerous and makes them assholes.
But going out to protest is perfectly safe and responsible.
nobody said anything about it being safe/responsible. nobody controlled the timing of the pandemic and the floyd crime, this was all out of anybody's hands. if people want to risk health/safety for that, then so be it, but this country absolutely needs reform to racial inequalities in the worst way. we already know you do not feel strongly about this
however, if you're going to risk the health/safety of yourself and others because you don't know how to socially distance yourself on an outing at the fcking beach or you want to go to disney world for the 7th time, you are truly a POS. that much has to be clear to you
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2020, 07:07:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 14, 2020, 07:27:40 PM
Said the same thing to Jumbo: you are seriously underestimating how stupid people areI am fully aware how stupid people are, but my thinking is people are going to do stupid excrement regardless. At least on a beach, they're doing stupid excrement outdoors.
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That was 10 days ago during the holiday.
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Millerheighife/status/1282737728333811713?s=19
disney world is open, and there are people posting their visits to disney world on social media.See the previous tweet
these people have been to disney world before
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
nobody said anything about it being safe/responsible. nobody controlled the timing of the pandemic and the floyd crime, this was all out of anybody's hands. if people want to risk health/safety for that, then so be it, but this country absolutely needs reform to racial inequalities in the worst way. we already know you do not feel strongly about this
however, if you're going to risk the health/safety of yourself and others because you don't know how to socially distance yourself on an outing at the fcking beach or you want to go to disney world for the 7th time, you are truly a POS. that much has to be clear to you
I'm not saying anything about whether people shouldn't be protesting or anything of the sort.
But rather it's easy for people to point to a bunch of people (usually but not always) spread out as millenial pieces of excrement on spring break or whatever. Then a ton of people squished together shoulder to shoulder protesting is totally responsible and isn't contributing to the spike in COVID.
Without getting political it's just a very hypocritical double standard. Sure one of them is for vane personal causes and the other a respectable cause, but either socially gathering is dangerous and spreads the virus or it isn't. The virus isn't going to only spread or kill somebody if they're an poopchute
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 14, 2020, 11:05:16 PM
I'm not saying anything about whether people shouldn't be protesting or anything of the sort.
lol
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But rather it's easy for people to point to a bunch of people (usually but not always) spread out as millenial pieces of excrement on spring break or whatever. Then a ton of people squished together shoulder to shoulder protesting is totally responsible and isn't contributing to the spike in COVID.
again, nobody stated anything about the protests being safe/responsible. please re-read the first sentence of my post that you quoted in your response. literally the first sentence of the post
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Without getting political it's just a very hypocritical double standard.
it doesn't take a ton of unpacking to see that almost all of your posts have very politically-driven stances behind them
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Sure one of them is for vane personal causes and the other a respectable cause
lol
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but either socially gathering is dangerous and spreads the virus or it isn't.
again, please re-read the post. nobody is making an argument along those lines so i'm not sure why you're continuing to propagate that and make posts speaking to yourself about it
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2020, 11:21:08 PM
Sure my stance on the protest will always be about comparing numbers to numbers, but I'm not even going there.
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 05:28:31 AM
it doesn't take a ton of unpacking to see that almost all of your posts have very politically-driven stances behind them
In dcm world if a stance isn't purely partisan then it's not political.
It's a common theme among people who fancy themselves centrist or independent.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2020, 05:40:11 AM
In dcm world if a stance isn't purely partisan then it's not political.
It's a common theme among people who fancy themselves centrist or independent.
I was trying to touch on the issue without getting into politics. Not because I'm a centrist or independent, but because I think the more political you get in a conversation with someone that doesn't agree with you the more likely it is to devolve into angry bickering where people just treat each other like pieces of excrement.
I still find myself inherently obnoxious butting into political issues far more than I should (thankfully 99% of it is on here) but talking politics is such a freaking miserable thing. Social media has just turned all things political into such a nasty bitter thing. Yeah Trump has made things worse, but it was horrendous long before Trump was even a thought
And as obnoxious as I am, I do make every effort to run in terror from the extremely toxic excrement, like that you see everytime certain members of this board interact
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 06:34:47 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2020, 06:40:26 AM
Politics has always been nasty, to say otherwise is naive at best, or at worst done intentionally to disparage a current pol by appealing to some imagined past civility (see the Biden campaign's "return to decency" facade).
Well it's certainly been nasty as far as I can remember (the end of Clinton start of Bush)
But social media has unquestionably made it soooo much worse
It emboldens people, and leads to all kinds of manipulation and nastiness thst people would not partake in prior to this era
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2020, 09:32:21 AM
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Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN on Tuesday.
The move could make data less transparent to the public at a time when the administration is downplaying the spread of the pandemic, and threatens to undermine public confidence that medical data is being presented free of political interference.
Those numbers are gonna magically get better now.
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 09:33:12 AM
Well it's certainly been nasty as far as I can remember (the end of Clinton start of Bush)I'll concede that social media has people more easily expressing thoughts they would have previously self-censored, for better or worse.
But social media has unquestionably made it soooo much worse
It emboldens people, and leads to all kinds of manipulation and nastiness thst people would not partake in prior to this era
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 15, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html
Those numbers are gonna magically get better now.
this is bad for the dissemination of active/daily updates, but the practice-changing findings that come from published studies in scientific journals should not be affected. in the novel time of coronavirus, trials and manuscripts are being accepting/published in a fantastically expedited manner
my hospital has its own daily rundown of coronavirus statistics for our network, which is what i've been using with regards to my own work. however, i have had to use the CDC site a few times over the past couple of months, and i didn't think it was that bad. i did have some trouble looking up a couple of the metrics i was interested in, but i also factor in that i am not the typical citizen that goes to the CDC's site to find out some information. i don't think the way in which the CDC was disseminating information was the actual issue; they just don't want the CDC to be in control of that any more. surprised that caputo pretty much blatantly said that in the article
Post by: MBGreen on July 15, 2020, 01:12:22 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2020, 06:18:03 PM
Thinking of starting up a mask manufacturer. I'm only going to make them in a variety of camouflage patterns and I'm going to sell them exclusively via infomercials as "TACTICAL MASK AS WORN BY THE NAVY SEALS". Feel like I'd make a bunch of money and cure 80% of the problem.Just make red MAGA masks. Tell them every time they wear it, a dollar doesn't (cough while saying) go to reelect Trump and it also has special Jesus antiseptic that kills 287% of keronavirus.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 15, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Just make red MAGA masks. Tell them every time they wear it, a dollar (probably) goes to reelect Trump and it also has special Jesus antiseptic that kills 287% of keronavirus.
Saw a guy wearing one of those with his nose exposed. Hopefully they don't have any ventilators when he needs one.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Saw a guy wearing one of those with his nose exposed. Hopefully they don't have any ventilators when he needs one."Sir, we need you to close your eyes and wait for the ventilator to live."
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Post by: Derek Smalls on July 15, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Just make red MAGA masks. Tell them every time they wear it, a dollar doesn't (cough while saying) go to reelect Trump and it also has special Jesus antiseptic that kills 287% of keronavirus.I've been saying for a while. Trump should have just sold/given away cheap MAGA masks to everyone, just like we have the cheap MAGA hats.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 16, 2020, 07:12:07 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1283582057742864384?s=20 (https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1283582057742864384?s=20)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 07:38:55 AM
Gov. Kemp is nullifying mask orders in Georgia.He's a real peach
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1283582057742864384?s=20 (https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1283582057742864384?s=20)
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 16, 2020, 07:41:01 AM
He's a real peach
Maybe he’s the reincarnation of General Sherman just in a deep cover to finish off the job he started during the Civil War.
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 04:28:34 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2020, 04:42:25 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
Had never heard of her till now, yet I was somehow able to guess she was a former foxnews host
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 05:46:04 PM
Definitely the hottest white house press secretary I've ever seen.
Had never heard of her till now, yet I was somehow able to guess she was a former foxnews host
Does Hope Hicks count or was she not in the press role? She's hotter, smarter and way more evil than McEnany.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 08:26:00 PM
Does Hope Hicks count or was she not in the press role? She's hotter, smarter and way more evil than McEnany.I wonder if she has the other Hope's thing.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 08:47:54 PM
I wonder if she has the other Hope's thing.
Careful a lot of guys on here are repulsed by the thought of that kinda stuff
Post by: Badger on July 17, 2020, 07:21:03 PM
https://theintercept.com/2020/07/17/houston-doctors-dan-crenshaw-disinformation-coronavirus/
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2020, 08:13:01 PM
Can't believe these doctors would disrespect the troops like this
https://theintercept.com/2020/07/17/houston-doctors-dan-crenshaw-disinformation-coronavirus/
So in an article about this dude putting out disinformation they gave zero examples?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 17, 2020, 08:16:46 PM
So in an article about this dude putting out disinformation they gave zero examples?When a Harris County judge said around the same time that Texas “may be approaching the precipice of a disaster” Crenshaw blasted her for “pure and simple fear mongering.”
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2020, 09:47:03 PM
When a Harris County judge said around the same time that Texas “may be approaching the precipice of a disaster” Crenshaw blasted her for “pure and simple fear mongering.”
So the medical community was in uproar about someone responding to the precipice of disaster fear mongering spreading lies and disinformation?
While I can rightly assume the dude is spreading crazy Trump conspiracy theories, my argument is that this is excrement journalism
Post by: Badger on July 17, 2020, 11:02:05 PM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on July 18, 2020, 01:18:40 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 18, 2020, 10:30:37 AM
#positives
Post by: Badger on July 18, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
Walmart requiring masks should contain a good 80% of covid in the trash areas.I was in a Wal-Mart upstate on July 2 and I think every single person I saw had a mask on.
#positives
Post by: Badger on July 20, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2020, 09:52:45 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 20, 2020, 09:52:57 AM
https://twitter.com/stltoday/status/1285199041417158663?s=19Idiot looks like Bob Kraft.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 20, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
"Not my kids, so who gives a excrement?"Kids aren't as much of an issue as them going home and freaking up their parents and grandparents. But I'm probably wrong because it can't spread from the first person who gets it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 20, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 20, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 20, 2020, 10:11:30 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 20, 2020, 10:24:25 AM
Researchers working on the vaccine say they expect to begin rolling out the vaccine from October this year, months ahead of experts’ estimates that it would take until at least 2021 to find an effective injection. More than 20 vaccines are in human trials, and, if proven effective protection against the virus, are expected to play a key role in helping life to get back to normal, protect frontline workers, and save lives.
Trump is gonna take full credit for this....right before the election.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 20, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
Newspapers want to get clicks because the public wants these articles.
The public wants these articles because we all want to have optimism this will end soon.
Maybe I am cynical, but wake me up when a vaccine is close.
Post by: Badger on July 20, 2020, 11:02:43 AM
Idiot looks like Bob Kraft.https://twitter.com/mugrimm/status/1285206823230988289?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on July 20, 2020, 11:03:13 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 22, 2020, 05:22:04 AM
And it seemingly is completely not enforced. Maybe for people flying into NY it's a challenge, but for people driving and what not, its basically a joke.
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 07:25:33 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2020, 07:31:00 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1288066118423326721?s=19
So just out of curiosity
In Florida isn't it true they can't come after your house (ie OJ Simpson) ?
Or is fraudenly obtained money exempt from that
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 07:37:07 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1288066118423326721?s=19
sweet color
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Uncle Rob rules
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 12:10:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/434915150036500/posts/1467917690069569/?vh=e&d=n
Uncle Rob rules
That's actually an excellent demonstration.
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
https://twitter.com/stella_immanuel/status/1287899007243747330?s=19
https://twitter.com/stella_immanuel/status/1287951663135952896?s=19
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 05:58:13 PM
Stella Immanuel is my new favorite COVID character
https://twitter.com/stella_immanuel/status/1287899007243747330?s=19
https://twitter.com/stella_immanuel/status/1287951663135952896?s=19
Damn I love posting the grifters, I’ll concede this one to you
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:21:07 PM
Damn I love posting the grifters, I’ll concede this one to youShe's an absolute goldmine
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In her 2015 sermon on the Illuminati’s supposed agenda to bring down the United States, Immanuel argues that a wide variety of toys, books, and TV shows, from Pokémon—which she declares “Eastern demons”—to Harry Potter and the Disney Channel shows Wizards of Waverly Place and That’s So Raven were all part of a scheme to introduce children to spirits and witches. Immanuel warned that the Disney Channel show Hannah Montana was a gateway to evil, because its character had an “alter ego.” She has claimed that schools teach children to meditate so they can “meet with demons.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:23:59 PM
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Immanuel’s oddball claims about the world extend to politics. She didn’t bring up this allegation publicly in Washington, but she has claimed that the American government is run in part by non-human reptilians.
“There are people that are ruling this nation that are not even human,” Immanuel said in her 2015 Illuminati sermon, before launching into a conversation she had with a “reptilian spirit” she described as “half-human, half-ET.”
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2020, 05:47:29 AM
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1288428243431849989?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 29, 2020, 10:04:41 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2020, 10:15:38 AM
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2020, 11:20:53 AM
https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/1288482612412059656?s=19
https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/1288494359579680775?s=19
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2020, 09:51:18 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2020, 09:53:18 AM
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2020, 01:16:59 PM
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1288814577858289665?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2020, 03:27:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2020, 04:04:32 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GhanaSaysGoodbye/comments/hk5u5d/herman_cain_says_goodbye/
This is one of the greatest things I've seen all year
Post by: delavan on July 30, 2020, 05:01:16 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GhanaSaysGoodbye/comments/hk5u5d/herman_cain_says_goodbye/
https://twitter.com/DannyLum4/status/1288846097595719682
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2020, 06:25:46 PM
Unless they're a conservative, in which case it's okay to celebrate their death
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2020, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 30, 2020, 06:50:22 PM
Blacklivesmatter
Unless they're a conservative, in which case it's okay to celebrate their death
What do you expect from absolute hypocrites who will accomplish nothing and sit on the side of life reveling in someones death?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2020, 06:58:46 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 30, 2020, 06:59:03 PM
PALM
HEAD
WALL
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2020, 06:59:10 PM
Sorry for your loss.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2020, 07:00:12 PM
I must've missed the part where a cop shot Herman Cain in the back?
Sorry I didn't see the gunshot wounds on George Floyd's autopsy report.
Must have skipped that page
It's possible if not probable that Herman Cain making poor chances led to his death.
He's not that the only one that is applicable to
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
Sorry I didn't see the gunshot wounds on George Floyd's autopsy report.
Must have skipped that page
Well, I was referencing Walter Scott, who was unarmed and shot in the back.
But you'd likely just look up his record and try to defend the cop that's serving 20 years for his murder.
Also, freak you.
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
The only black person Mj's ever loved died today.
Sorry for your loss.
Oh excrement. RIP Ben Carson.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 30, 2020, 07:09:09 PM
Sorry I didn't see the gunshot wounds on George Floyd's autopsy report.
Must have skipped that page
you are literally the king of nitpicking on and nagging over insignificant points that do nothing to prove whatever nonsensical argument you're trying to make
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 30, 2020, 07:09:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Well, I was referencing Walter Scott, who was unarmed and shot in the back.
But you'd likely just look up his record and try to defend the cop that's serving 20 years for his murder.
Also, freak you.
I actually think that was a much more agregious example than some of the other recent events.
He did disarm the police officer and attempt to shoot him with his own taser, so he's not exactly innocent. But the cop was clearly an incompetent buffoon, and also an absolute freaking retard for his decision making especially during current events.
Regardless it must be sad that you're celebrating the deaths of 50,000 + African Americans from covid. That sounds pretty fucked up to be honest
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2020, 07:13:16 PM
Regardless it must be sad that you're celebrating the deaths of 50,000 + African Americans from covid. That sounds pretty fucked up to be honest
hahahaha what?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2020, 07:13:23 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2020, 07:15:12 PM
you are literally the king of nitpicking on and nagging over insignificant points that do nothing to prove whatever nonsensical argument you're trying to make
Sure that's nitpicking. But for a board thats views tend to overwhelmingly be to the left, it's a little peculiar to be openingly celebrating the death of a black man to a disease that will likely kill 100,000 African Americans by the end of the year.
That's more pointing out hypocrisy than anything else.
Sure Cain 100% bears some responsibility for poor decisions leading to his death. But you can say that about many people who die
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2020, 07:16:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2020, 07:28:15 PM
Sure that's nitpicking. But for a board thats views tend to overwhelmingly be to the left, it's a little peculiar to be openingly celebrating the death of a black man to a disease that will likely kill 100,000 African Americans by the end of the year.
That's more pointing out hypocrisy than anything else.
Sure Cain 100% bears some responsibility for poor decisions leading to his death. But you can say that about many people who die
Nobody is celebrating Herman Cain’s death because he is black. End
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 30, 2020, 07:30:36 PM
Sure that's nitpicking. But for a board thats views tend to overwhelmingly be to the left, it's a little peculiar to be openingly celebrating the death of a black man to a disease that will likely kill 100,000 African Americans by the end of the year.
That's more pointing out hypocrisy than anything else.
Sure Cain 100% bears some responsibility for poor decisions leading to his death. But you can say that about many people who die
i want to say something about the way you view and analyze things, and the small peek you give us via your posts into the mental gymnastics that must be occurring in your mind every moment, but i would rather not make this any more personal than it needs to be. i am just continually baffled by the things you see and the connections you make
Post by: delavan on July 30, 2020, 08:18:09 PM
agregious
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2020, 09:00:22 PM
Unless it's Bardy. Or Belichick.
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
agregiousLeave Didi out of this
Edit: F U delavan
Post by: delavan on July 31, 2020, 04:39:13 AM
Leave Didi out of thisIDFWU
Edit: F U delavan
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 01:51:52 PM
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 02:02:16 PM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1289187833031270408?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 31, 2020, 02:34:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Neat
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1289187833031270408?s=19
Unemployed people get evicted. Homeless people are less likely to vote.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 31, 2020, 05:54:04 PM
The dems heroes act was supposed to be all about thst, but looks more like fancy unemployment. And Trump made the same promise which was also bullshit
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2020, 09:30:29 PM
https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241881537392640?s=19
School's gonna be so safe. The science says so. BdB said he's putting in the same standards he'd have in place if his own kids had to go to NYC public schools. And really, shouldn't a classroom be safer and more ventilated than a campground outside?
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 31, 2020, 11:59:18 PM
Unemployed people get evicted. Homeless people are less likely to vote.
Nice approach to pair with crippling the postal service with incompetence.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 01, 2020, 12:41:53 AM
Oh excrement. RIP Ben Carson.
Hahahahahaha that was actually funny.
A nice whiff of brevity as others actually revel in someones death out of naked tribalism.
Nobody is celebrating Herman Cain’s death because he is black. End
No one should be celebrating his death at all. The fact that people are is an indictment on where we're at in society.
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2020, 08:29:51 AM
Click through to see a covid lung
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 01, 2020, 09:18:32 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDR72MsBo2J/?igshid=6wrd09f70cu2
Click through to see a covid lung
glad she survived but her life is unfortunately going to be changed forever. she has a double lung txp but it's not going to stop there. they're the hardest/most difficult organs to 'take' as far as organs go, and she's going to be battling bouts of respiratory illnesses and concerns over rejection her entire life.
they're just hard organs. literally every breath introduces antigens that may trigger an immune response in the transplanted lungs, which may or may not be good. the anti-rejection meds are crazy (and are going to affect her other organs in the future) and the road to recovery (and maintaining that state) is grueling. i wish her well but that's just tough
i haven't written my will/advanced directive yet, but in it i'm going to write that i never want to be considered for a lung txp in an end of life situation were it to come to that; just let me go. it just sucks that this beautiful young girl's life was affected to this degree because of the fckin coronavirus
Post by: bojanglesman on August 01, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
i haven't written my will/advanced directive yet
Get on that ASAP brotha. If your parents are still around, get in their face about doing it too. No one wants to think about dying, but you are doing it for who you leave behind, not yourself. Everyone that is married, has kids or cares where their assets/Mangold jersey go when they kick the bucket should have a will. Willmaker software is like $40 and is plenty fine for simple situations (most people) or even just to have something on paper until you can get a lawyer if you need one. It walks you right through almost every situation.
Everyone should have an advance medical directive unless you want to potentially have your end of life dragged out and create a pile of sorrow for your family. Same Willmaker software does that too, as well as other documents you should have. Make that excrement set in stone so there are no questions when the time comes. Make sure to re-evaluate it every few years too. Sometimes people you love become people you hate and you don't want them getting your dough or pulling your plug. Kids happen and situations change.
As someone who lost both parents fairly recently, that excrement matters and is a world of difficulty if not done, especially if you have siblings. Thankfully my parents had the will done already and I had the time to get their advance directives and other stuff done while they were alive. Did my Dad's right there in the hospital.
You will be relieved when it's done and collecting dust in a safe somewhere. Then you can just forget about kicking the bucket and focus on the Jets disappointing you.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2020, 11:36:10 AM
Quote
THINK before YOU ORDER AND SCREAM “WEAR YOUR MASK”
THIS:
"That woman you shamed in the grocery store because she wasn't wearing a mask? She already feels enough shame because she was raped. Having something over her nose & mouth triggers her PTSD, and causes her to relive that trauma.
That man at the Quickee Mart who you called selfish? He's a volunteer firefighter and just came from the ER, after being treated for smoke inhalation. He removed his air mask, in order to help a child breathe fresh air, instead of thick smoke.
That elderly lady who you screamed at to put a mask on, or shop when it's her turn? Her husband of 60 years just passed away. She's doing her best to learn to live alone. Every breath is physically painful, due to her grief.
That little boy you lectured about removing his mask? He's autistic. He doesn't understand. He simply wants it off of his face.
That little girl who screams when somebody tries to mask her? She's claustrophobic. She came from an abusive home, where she was confined to a closet.
There are all sorts of reasons for not wearing a mask. Not all are lung or immune system-related.
How many of you are among those shaming, name-calling, and berating complete strangers, or worse, family members? How many of you are against bullying?
If you are among the first group and align with the second, you may want to pump the brakes, and check yourself... you have become the bully you claim to be against.
Wearing a mask does not make you a kind person. You are either a kind person, or you aren't. A piece of cloth does not determine that trait.
On the flipside, not wearing a mask does not make a person selfish, or inconsiderate. It simply means that there may be an unseen reason why they cannot wear one. You don't know their story, and, to be quite honest, it's none of your business."
RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE’S RIGHTS TO CHOOSE WHAT’S BEST FOR THEM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2020, 11:39:17 AM
glad she survived but her life is unfortunately going to be changed forever. she has a double lung txp but it's not going to stop there. they're the hardest/most difficult organs to 'take' as far as organs go, and she's going to be battling bouts of respiratory illnesses and concerns over rejection her entire life.
they're just hard organs. literally every breath introduces antigens that may trigger an immune response in the transplanted lungs, which may or may not be good. the anti-rejection meds are crazy (and are going to affect her other organs in the future) and the road to recovery (and maintaining that state) is grueling. i wish her well but that's just tough
i haven't written my will/advanced directive yet, but in it i'm going to write that i never want to be considered for a lung txp in an end of life situation were it to come to that; just let me go. it just sucks that this beautiful young girl's life was affected to this degree because of the fckin coronavirus
Shits brutal
I'd rather be beheaded than to get a lung transplant.
Sure some of them make out okay, but many are just given slow torturous deaths
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 01, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Shits brutal
I'd rather be beheaded than to get a lung transplant.
Sure some of them make out okay, but many are just given slow torturous deaths
my views may be a little skewed by the fact that the only lung transplants i see are the ones that are admitted back to the hospital due to the various complications/setbacks they suffer, but it's enough to color my view that they'd never be worth it lol. even at my relatively young age.
for your average citizen (and a very young one, in this case) who doesn't know otherwise and whose only chance at life may be a lung transplant, you have to do it. but it's a never for me
Get on that ASAP brotha. If your parents are still around, get in their face about doing it too. No one wants to think about dying, but you are doing it for who you leave behind, not yourself. Everyone that is married, has kids or cares where their assets/Mangold jersey go when they kick the bucket should have a will. Willmaker software is like $40 and is plenty fine for simple situations (most people) or even just to have something on paper until you can get a lawyer if you need one. It walks you right through almost every situation.
Everyone should have an advance medical directive unless you want to potentially have your end of life dragged out and create a pile of sorrow for your family. Same Willmaker software does that too, as well as other documents you should have. Make that excrement set in stone so there are no questions when the time comes. Make sure to re-evaluate it every few years too. Sometimes people you love become people you hate and you don't want them getting your dough or pulling your plug. Kids happen and situations change.
As someone who lost both parents fairly recently, that excrement matters and is a world of difficulty if not done, especially if you have siblings. Thankfully my parents had the will done already and I had the time to get their advance directives and other stuff done while they were alive. Did my Dad's right there in the hospital.
You will be relieved when it's done and collecting dust in a safe somewhere. Then you can just forget about kicking the bucket and focus on the Jets disappointing you.
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these moments were some of the toughest times during my training. families that unexpectedly are thrown into end of life situations for their relatives and who are not able to come together to make decisions unhindered by extreme situational emotion, all the while medical personnel are doing all they can keeping the patient 'alive' and slowly watch them die
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2020, 01:42:48 PM
my views may be a little skewed by the fact that the only lung transplants i see are the ones that are admitted back to the hospital due to the various complications/setbacks they suffer, but it's enough to color my view that they'd never be worth it lol. even at my relatively young age.
for your average citizen (and a very young one, in this case) who doesn't know otherwise and whose only chance at life may be a lung transplant, you have to do it. but it's a never for me
these moments were some of the toughest times during my training. families that unexpectedly are thrown into end of life situations for their relatives and who are not able to come together to make decisions unhindered by extreme situational emotion, all the while medical personnel are doing all they can keeping the patient 'alive' and slowly watch them die
Yeah I'm in the same situation with BOLTS although they're usually immediate postops that will go through months of washouts getting trached peg'd inevitable infections CRRT before dying after 6 months to a year of that excrement non stop.
I'm sure there's some success stories, but even then it only buys you a handful of years.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 01, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Well that was manipulative and stupid.
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2020, 01:34:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 04, 2020, 03:23:41 PM
(https://i.redd.it/sp44ts8rize51.jpg)
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 04, 2020, 05:59:32 PM
cool cool cool
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Kevin_Lytle/status/1290766084212174848?s=20
cool cool cool
https://twitter.com/espncfb/status/1290274904282079235?s=21
cool beans
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Kevin_Lytle/status/1290766084212174848?s=20
cool cool cool
OK but let's be honest here, is anyone going to notice if Colorado State football doesn't happen this season?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 04, 2020, 08:29:59 PM
OK but let's be honest here, is anyone going to notice if Colorado State football doesn't happen this season?
This post makes Joel Dreessen have a sad.
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
Stolen from reddit but first day back to school in Georgia
(https://i.redd.it/sp44ts8rize51.jpg)
It's August 4th, what the freak Georgia (yes I know southern states start the school year earlier but still)https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1291485052816302080?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 07, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
Post by: Badger on August 07, 2020, 01:33:31 PM
Jordan Peterson has the rona. I'd like to sympathise, but it's clearly the result of a moral failing on his part and he could have avoided it if he'd just made his bed in the morning.You're just racist against *checks notes* Canadians
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 07, 2020, 07:02:00 PM
Watch at risk of AIDSrona
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 10, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
i just discovered the qanon casualties subreddit this morning. that place is fckin sorry
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 11:10:37 AM
Kindly freak the freak off. If my mask isn't good enough for you and you're still that freaking scared, then stay the freak home.
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 11:14:55 AM
Now that everyone (at least in Canada) has broadly accepted the wearing of masks and is getting on with life, it seems like the new thing is attempting to call people out for wearing the wrong kind of mask. I've twice seen on Facebook today people promoting a study that says that cotton masks, bandannas and biker-style neck gaiters are not effective enough and that we should all be wearing surgical or layered masks.
Kindly freak the freak off. If my mask isn't good enough for you and you're still that freaking scared, then stay the freak home.
Masks aren't mandatory in Manitoba yet. We'll all be dead soon.
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 11:19:54 AM
Masks aren't mandatory in Manitoba yet. We'll all be dead soon.
Masks are mandatory in Ontario in all enclosed public spaces including grocery stores and malls. You're not required to wear one when sitting in a restaurant, but if you leave the table to go to the washroom you're required to put one on until you return to the table.
We have some people protesting, but there aren't many and restaurants and stores are in my experience so far being pretty hardline on the "but I have a medical condition that prevents me from wearing one" dickheads.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 10, 2020, 11:41:53 AM
Now that everyone (at least in Canada) has broadly accepted the wearing of masks and is getting on with life, it seems like the new thing is attempting to call people out for wearing the wrong kind of mask. I've twice seen on Facebook today people promoting a study that says that cotton masks, bandannas and biker-style neck gaiters are not effective enough and that we should all be wearing surgical or layered masks.
Kindly freak the freak off. If my mask isn't good enough for you and you're still that freaking scared, then stay the freak home.
are they making those arguments for general/public use, or for use within healthcare settings?
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 11:47:45 AM
are they making those arguments for general/public use, or for use within healthcare settings?
Given they're shouting at whoever will listen on Facebook, I'm guessing the former. I doubt that anyone in a healthcare setting is wearing anything other than proper medical masks now that the PPE crunch has been alleviated.
Post by: delavan on August 10, 2020, 07:14:38 PM
if i see any more QAnon/covid hoax excrement on social media i might fckin lose it
i just discovered the qanon casualties subreddit this morning. that place is fckin sorry
social media. the bane of
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 09:18:27 AM
if i see any more QAnon/covid hoax excrement on social media i might fckin lose itLink
i just discovered the qanon casualties subreddit this morning. that place is fckin sorry
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 09:20:35 AM
Now that everyone (at least in Canada) has broadly accepted the wearing of masks and is getting on with life, it seems like the new thing is attempting to call people out for wearing the wrong kind of mask. I've twice seen on Facebook today people promoting a study that says that cotton masks, bandannas and biker-style neck gaiters are not effective enough and that we should all be wearing surgical or layered masks.Saw that this morning, was very annoyed because I really prefer the neck gaiter over the mask with ear loops. Probably not going to change what I do because I'm already very careful.
Kindly freak the freak off. If my mask isn't good enough for you and you're still that freaking scared, then stay the freak home.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 11, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 11, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
i know this girl who has a mom that's kinda hot, and i follow her. she started posting all this qanon/pizzagait/covid hoax excrement. i sent her links about how trump recently wished ghislaine maxwell well, how trump is friends with her and epstein, and videos of them partying together back in the day. i asked her to reconcile how trump seems to be friends with the very pedophiles/deep state she claims and believes is here to bring down trump
no response, the mom and the daughter both blocked me afterwards
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2020, 10:29:07 AM
we live in an insane time where people are believing absolutely batshit crazy excrement, and you can't say anything to them
i know this girl who has a mom that's kinda hot, and i follow her. she started posting all this qanon/pizzagait/covid hoax excrement. i sent her links about how trump recently wished ghislaine maxwell well, how trump is friends with her and epstein, and videos of them partying together back in the day. i asked her to reconcile how trump seems to be friends with the very pedophiles/deep state she claims and believes is here to bring down trump
no response, the mom and the daughter both blocked me afterwards
Did you hit it?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
Instead, we have a bunch of people acting like ignorant little children by refusing to wear masks, social distance, actively verbally assaulting people who comply with mask orders, and government officials providing enough disinformation to egg them on and thus keeping the first wave going.
If not for them, we wouldn't have to worry about college football, the NFL, or all of the bars and restaurants that have been put out of business and all of the jobs and lives that have been lost as a result.
This has been my weekly "I hate my fellow citizens," rant. Have a good day.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 11:21:30 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/Wow, these are depressing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
If the US took the virus and the quarantine seriously without a bunch of assholes in various state houses, Congress and the White House downplaying its severity, telling outright lies about its ability to spread, and generally being incompetent in the execution of any response, we'd be out of the second waive by now.
Instead, we have a bunch of people acting like ignorant little children by refusing to wear masks, social distance, actively verbally assaulting people who comply with mask orders, and government officials providing enough disinformation to egg them on and thus keeping the first wave going.
If not for them, we wouldn't have to worry about college football, the NFL, or all of the bars and restaurants that have been put out of business and all of the jobs and lives that have been lost as a result.
This has been my weekly "I hate my fellow citizens," rant. Have a good day.
I don’t see anything changing. We are fucked when flu season/winter hits
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2020, 12:50:33 PM
I don’t see anything changing. We are fucked when flu season/winter hits
Oh we have no hope at this point and we’re totally screwed.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
I don’t see anything changing. We are fucked when flu season/winter hits
The only potential saving grace is that the virus is currently (primarily) devastating the parts of the country that don't get hit hard by the flu.
The question now whether people in NY and the rest of the north east remember how freaking miserable their lives were and if they decide to act like jerkoffs when the virus creeps back up that way.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 08:23:15 AM
“I don’t want to send my kid to school because it’s not safe for our family”
and
“I don’t have the ability to take care of my kid full time, also work, and be pretty much fully responsible for their education”
Really tough choice.
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 08:24:53 AM
Seems like a lot of parents are caught between:
“I don’t want to send my kid to school because it’s not safe for our family”
and
“I don’t have the ability to take care of my kid full time, also work, and be pretty much fully responsible for their education”
Really tough choice.
lucky for you the Zodiac is a self-sufficient force of nature.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 08:27:13 AM
Seems like a lot of parents are caught between:
“I don’t want to send my kid to school because it’s not safe for our family”
and
“I don’t have the ability to take care of my kid full time, also work, and be pretty much fully responsible for their education”
Really tough choice.
Parents want to suddenly take responsibility for their kids education? How cute
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 08:28:12 AM
Sounds like kids that choose the hybrid model would be in school for a number of days being taught by their teacher and doing the rest of their days remote. Kids that are 100% remote won’t even be taught be their teacher since they will be tied up with the on-site kids. That seems pretty excrement, especially for a full year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 08:29:14 AM
Parents want to suddenly take responsibility for their kids education? How cute
Bruh who was responsible for educating you
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 08:30:35 AM
Bruh who was responsible for educating you
LOL
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
Russia releasing their first vaccine to the public after only doing stage 1 trials lol....RIP mother russia
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 08:38:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 08:42:58 AM
Sputnik V
I wonder how many russkies died from Sputnik IV
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 08:53:23 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Parents want to suddenly take responsibility for their kids education? How cute
Do you have kids?
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-we-know-and-dont-about-russias-new-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB17PP37?li=AAggNb9
Quote
Amid Russia’s rush to become the first to create a vaccine, the U.S., Britain and Canada last month accused Russia of using hackers to steal vaccine research from Western labs.
It's not theft if it should be freely shared information, the concept of "stealing" research for something the whole damn world needs is absurd.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
Do you have kids?
Of course not
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 09:00:14 AM
It's not theft if it should be freely shared information, the concept of "stealing" research for something the whole damn world needs is absurd.
those same hackers stole your election in 2016.
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 09:02:29 AM
Seems like a lot of parents are caught between:No it's awesome I love this situation
“I don’t want to send my kid to school because it’s not safe for our family”
and
“I don’t have the ability to take care of my kid full time, also work, and be pretty much fully responsible for their education”
Really tough choice.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 09:03:03 AM
those same hackers stole your election in 2016.
Whatever happens in 2020, same
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
those same hackers stole your election in 2016.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200812/bbbf39a0b134c0f4c0b6d157a09af093.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 09:04:38 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200812/bbbf39a0b134c0f4c0b6d157a09af093.jpg)
what a rude thing to say, Communist Tom Selleck.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 09:18:41 AM
It's not theft if it should be freely shared information, the concept of "stealing" research for something the whole damn world needs is absurd.
Except you have to give credit where it's due
With something like this obviously you want to collaborate and share research, which is done through a formal process.
If the US spends almost a trillion dollars on research and then some Russian company steals it and makes a profit, is that not wrong?
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
Except you have to give credit where it's due
With something like this obviously you want to collaborate and share research, which is done through a formal process.
If the US spends almost a trillion dollars on research and then some Russian company steals it and makes a profit, is that not wrong?
It's not wrong (as long as the result is a safe and effective vaccine)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 09:47:22 AM
It's not wrong (as long as the result is a safe and effective vaccine)
I get your ends justify the means logic
But if people can just steal your excrement, will that not deter organizations and investors from investing resources to combat the disease in the first place
Because as bad as covid is, it's not the only thing killing people right now
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
It's not wrong (as long as the result is a safe and effective vaccine)
I agree that the research should all be shared with the rest of the planet. I don't think the Russians should have to sink to stealing to accomplish this though.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2020, 10:24:30 AM
This fuckin guy....
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 11:36:15 AM
I get your ends justify the means logic
But if people can just steal your excrement, will that not deter organizations and investors from investing resources to combat the disease in the first place
Because as bad as covid is, it's not the only thing killing people right now
We don't need investors money for basic needs.
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
You need investors money to pay for the resources required to facilitate basic needs
We don't need investors money for basic needs.
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 11:48:13 AM
You need investors money to pay for the resources required to facilitate basic needsThe resources exist regardless of investors or their money. This is a global need. We do not need middlemen to get to it. They are welcome to assist and try to profit from it but it's in nobody else's interest but their own to protect that profit.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
We don't need investors money for basic needs.
Basic needs?
We're talking about funding the entire biomedical industry focusing on curing treating mitigating and preventing covid
Almost certainly hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars
Not sure how you define that as basic needs
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 11:54:51 AM
The resources exist regardless of investors or their money. This is a global need. We do not need middlemen to get to it. They are welcome to assist and try to profit from it but it's in nobody else's interest but their own to protect that profit.I’m not talking about profits. I’m talking about someone paying for the production of equipment, medical personnel, testing resources etc etc....
The required capital to fund research doesn’t appear out of thin air
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 12:15:57 PM
I’m not talking about profits. I’m talking about someone paying for the production of equipment, medical personnel, testing resources etc etc....
The required capital to fund research doesn’t appear out of thin air
It literally does when the government pays for it
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2020, 12:17:36 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-we-know-and-dont-about-russias-new-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB17PP37?li=AAggNb9
Russia releasing their first vaccine to the public after only doing stage 1 trials lol....RIP mother russia
What odds Trump unveils it in October as his fully tested and definitely completely safe vaccine for covid because he, and definitely not Vladimir Putin, is the man who should be in charge of the US for the next four years?
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 12:18:41 PM
The govt doesn’t pay for all of it....especially your govt.
It literally does when the government pays for it
These companies rely on private investor capital as well
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 12:20:23 PM
What odds Trump unveils it in October as his fully tested and definitely completely safe vaccine for covid because he, and definitely not Vladimir Putin, is the man who should be in charge of the US for the next four years?Well..his incompetence has already killed 100,000 plus .....what’s another 100,000 deaths due to untested side effects
#MAGA
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 01:00:17 PM
It literally does when the government pays for it
Outdated information from the end of May
But from what I could find for worldwide around 280 million of covid research was government funding
Close to 400 million was private
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
The govt doesn’t pay for all of it....especially your govt.
These companies rely on private investor capital as well
The companies are less important than a working vaccine.
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 01:17:13 PM
What odds Trump unveils it in October as his fully tested and definitely completely safe vaccine for covid because he, and definitely not Vladimir Putin, is the man who should be in charge of the US for the next four years?Then it would be funny to see the most weakminded libs I know suddenly become antivaxxers.
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 01:18:47 PM
Outdated information from the end of MayWhat we are doing and what we could/should be doing are not the same thing. You're asserting we need to not share vital research in order to protect private profits and I'm simply rejecting that.
But from what I could find for worldwide around 280 million of covid research was government funding
Close to 400 million was private
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2020, 01:20:43 PM
Then it would be funny to see the most weakminded libs I know suddenly become antivaxxers.
Would you allow Putin's vaccine to be injected into your kids?
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 01:27:58 PM
The companies are less important than a working vaccine.
i don't think you're understanding my point.
To get the working vaccine, requires a substantial amount of capital investment from both the private and public sectors....for a variety of resources (whether it's testing, medical personnel, equipment etc etc).
You're looking at it from a "who's gonna make the most money off this" POV.
Russia doesn't need to steal information if they're willing to work with the rest of the world. But we all know Putin is a dunce and would rather do something underhanded.
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
Would you allow Putin's vaccine to be injected into your kids?
According to that article...his daughter has already taken the injection.
Those commies are insane.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 01:36:30 PM
What we are doing and what we could/should be doing are not the same thing. You're asserting we need to not share vital research in order to protect private profits and I'm simply rejecting that.
Except i didn't say that
I said there's a formal process that should be followed, so credit is given where due, as to not deter the entire private community from investing
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 12, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
Seems like a lot of parents are caught between:
“I don’t want to send my kid to school because it’s not safe for our family”
and
“I don’t have the ability to take care of my kid full time, also work, and be pretty much fully responsible for their education”
Really tough choice.
This is exactly the choice, and it's why governments are reopening despite the risks.
I'm very fortunate that my wife works nights, so one of us is/has always been available to our kids. Now I'm just waiting to see what my employer decides. We were originally supposed to go back after July 4th, then August 3. Now "the earliest" is after Labor Day, but supposedly everything is in place for a return at that point.
I've already put in vacation for a week and a half after Labor Day. I'm not going to be in that first wave of returnees, and we've already told the school of my only school-age child that he will be remote learning at least until January.
If feel awful for any parent who doesn't have the choices/opportunities my wife and I do.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 12, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2020, 05:19:03 PM
Anybody heard from guiness? IIRC, he was still working full-time. I hope he's okay. I don't know a lot about him, but he marches in the same congenital heart walk that my family does for my nephew. As bad as things are, they're even worse for families who have at-risk children at home and are forced to work.
He texted me a week and a half ago. Seemed to be doing fine other than it being hot as excrement outside.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 12, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
He texted me a week and a half ago. Seemed to be doing fine other than it being hot as excrement outside.
Cool. Thanks for posting that.
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 07:39:10 AM
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 07:39:21 AM
Would you allow Putin's vaccine to be injected into your kids?Clown question bro
This is no less deranged than the anti-China stuff
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
Clown question bro
This is no less deranged than the anti-China stuff
Not really. We were talking about the hypothetical situation in which Trump announces the availability of Putin's vaccine to American citizens as an election stunt, and you were laughing about the idea that the hated liberals would suddenly become anti-vaxxers. I'm just wondering whether you would also be anti that particular vaccine.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2020, 08:52:55 AM
Not really. We were talking about the hypothetical situation in which Trump announces the availability of Putin's vaccine to American citizens as an election stunt, and you were laughing about the idea that the hated liberals would suddenly become anti-vaxxers. I'm just wondering whether you would also be anti that particular vaccine.
If Biden announced the same vaccine the libs would eat it up. Orange man bad.
If Fauci approved the vaccine and said it meets their testing requirements and is 100% safe, is that good enough? Because Trump continually announcing something like “Hydroxychloroquine works!” doesnt mean that it then gets rolled out for public consumption.
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 09:00:35 AM
If Biden announced the same vaccine the libs would eat it up. Orange man bad.
But Biden isn't the President, so this is just whataboutism. And yes, orange man is bad. Only the rabid clowns don't know that by now.
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If Fauci approved the vaccine and said it meets their testing requirements and is 100% safe, is that good enough? Because Trump continually announcing something like “Hydroxychloroquine works!” doesnt mean that it then gets rolled out for public consumption.
Yes of course it is, because I think we mostly trust Fauci. He wouldn't actually say something like that without the FDA first approving it, which means proper trials, which means that Fauci wouldn't be approving it in October. So then back to my point, which is why Badger chose to turn my semi-joking hypothetical into "hur-dur but the libs become anti-vax because orange man bad" when I don't think anyone would actually be shocked if Trump did try to pull a stunt like that, and I don't think it would be at all unreasonable to be anti that particular vaccine.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 13, 2020, 09:13:55 AM
Because regardless of what some people think, the government doesn't own and control everything in the world
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 09:18:44 AM
What Trump says is irrelevant. Because the companies and physicians delivering the vaccine would be opening their doors to massive liability. Regardless of whatever kind of bullshit emergency treatment laws are in place. They'd be sticking out their necks financially and criminally
Because regardless of what some people think, the government doesn't own and control everything in the world
Yes, I am aware of all of this. None of it detracts from my original question, which is whether anyone would be remotely surprised if Trump announced the Vlad vaccine in October as "I've cured covid". We can talk all we like about the reasons why it couldn't and wouldn't actually be feasible to have it approved by that stage, but do you think that actually matters to him - or a lot of his supporters?
Post by: MBGreen on August 13, 2020, 09:22:14 AM
Yes, I am aware of all of this. None of it detracts from my original question, which is whether anyone would be remotely surprised if Trump announced the Vlad vaccine in October as "I've cured covid". We can talk all we like about the reasons why it couldn't and wouldn't actually be feasible to have it approved by that stage, but do you think that actually matters to him - or a lot of his supporters?
the Vlad vaccine has only gone through stage 1 testing. I wouldn't go near that excrement with a 10 foot pole......and you know where i stand on the urgency of getting vaccinated.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 13, 2020, 09:32:43 AM
I’ll take it just to see if I can feel alive
inject it into your peepee hole
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
Not really. We were talking about the hypothetical situation in which Trump announces the availability of Putin's vaccine to American citizens as an election stunt, and you were laughing about the idea that the hated liberals would suddenly become anti-vaxxers. I'm just wondering whether you would also be anti that particular vaccine.
This scenario will never play but I'd regard it the same as any other vaccine.
Edit: I'll clarify, Russia is a non-issue, Trump is more of a negative if he's announcing a vaccine as an October surprise. But American, Russian, Chinese, Sri Lankan, not an issue to me.
Post by: MBGreen on August 13, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
This scenario will never play but I'd regard it the same as any other vaccine.
Edit: I'll clarify, Russia is a non-issue, Trump is more of a negative if he's announcing a vaccine as an October surprise. But American, Russian, Chinese, Sri Lankan, not an issue to me.
RIP
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 13, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 13, 2020, 02:01:09 PM
Yes, I am aware of all of this. None of it detracts from my original question, which is whether anyone would be remotely surprised if Trump announced the Vlad vaccine in October as "I've cured covid". We can talk all we like about the reasons why it couldn't and wouldn't actually be feasible to have it approved by that stage, but do you think that actually matters to him - or a lot of his supporters?
I mean if they're Trump supporters already why does it matter what they think?
Political zealots are brainwashed
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 02:46:19 PM
I mean if they're Trump supporters already why does it matter what they think?
Political zealots are brainwashed
I don't think it really does. I wasn't positing it as anything other than a vaguely amusing possibility that is scarily viable, I think such an announcement would reinforce his status as whatever you already think he is.
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 03:00:57 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 13, 2020, 05:41:04 PM
whose mans is this?
oh yeah, mj's
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 13, 2020, 05:49:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Coronavirus SZN
Post by: mj2sexay on August 16, 2020, 08:12:34 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/ron-desantis-schools-bin-laden-florida/index.html
whose mans is this?
oh yeah, mj's
Lol, what happened to the guy he ran against again?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 16, 2020, 08:16:59 PM
Lol, what happened to the guy he ran against again?
Hasn't achieved anywhere near Desantis' kill count. Such a freaking slacker.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 16, 2020, 09:16:03 PM
Hasn't achieved anywhere near Desantis' kill count. Such a freaking slacker.
Given the body count put up by Whitmer, Wolf, Cuomo and Murphy, I could only imagine how he'd have done if he was elected.
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2020, 04:03:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1295460551091519489?s=19
After the spike in COVID cases around the time of widespread protests wasn't the narrative that the spike had nothing to do with protest since it would take about 2 weeks for the protest to have an impact on COVID rates?
If that's the case how could they make a decision to shut down college after just one week?
Regardless you gotta give the school credit for shutting down after only one week. Most others will be far too stubborn, and will certainly be tempted to keep students long enoguh so they can't get refunds
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2020, 06:08:28 PM
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1295381301210513408?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2020, 07:01:34 PM
CHINA BAD
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1295381301210513408?s=19
Jason Howerton @jason_howerton
A dad first, Texas ‘till I die, create content for brands/influencers, got choked out by @jockowillink once.
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2020, 07:16:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2020, 08:07:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2020, 03:07:41 PM
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/905847150/american-man-accused-of-breaking-canadas-covid-19-rules-faces-560-000-fine
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 11:23:27 AM
IS has been a long time member of the board, he's never once shown any sort of animus or backwards social thinking, but because he doesn't agree its "of course YOU would say that."
Italian Seafood called COVID-19 a hoax and has said plenty of other wild as excrement over the years.
We're allowed to disagree with each other.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
Italian Seafood called COVID-19 a hoax and has said plenty of other wild as excrement over the years.
We're allowed to disagree with each other.
I've come to enjoy going back and forth with you, most of the time you seem pretty reasonable. As long as things don't devolve into a name calling excrement show, a discussion board gets pretty dull if nobody can disagree.
But I never said COVID was a hoax, I do think it's been overblown and over politicized, and continues to be. Actually know a guy who evidently died from it in April. I never doubted for a minute that we should and would have an NFL season, which is what the discussion on here was about.
Not that I think IS needs myself or anyone else to speak for him, but I'm trying to actually stick up for a longtime member of the board that neither said nor did anything wrong and is getting the usual bullshit for refusing to march in lockstep with the conventional "wisdom" of some.
Maybe try it sometime.
That's what I said, that no one is allowed to disagree. You nailed it.
I appreciate it. Was actually expecting worse when I came back here today. As much as I always hated Jordan as a Knicks fan, the perspective of the day and LeBron's foolishness makes me miss those times.
(https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/05/04/84f7359b-0f10-4568-a6e3-df541cef5ca7/thumbnail/1200x675/97b4f30fa6821f6e5e70e2b692633a93/gettyimages-635222487.jpg)
(https://footwearnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/michael-jordan-1992-olympics.jpg)
I know he was covering a logo with the flag, but 1992 Michael Jordan could have used anything to cover it and everyone would have loved it. Pretty sure those guys weren't Bush Republicans but that's not the point, they were proud to be Americans.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 01:13:10 PM
Reading someone referring to a global pandemic that has led to the deaths of 170,000 Americans as over hyped is mind boggling.
Some people's minds aren't up to certain tasks. It's ok.
Maybe if #KillerCuomo hadn't sent COVID positive patients into nursing homes when everyone already knew the elderly were most at risk, the death count would be much lower. But there's been like 4 deaths in NJ in the past month, so let's keep everything closed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
Some people's minds aren't up to certain tasks. It's ok.
If you were trying I don’t think you would be able to achieve this level of irony. I’m also not sure why you are only keying on two states.
There have been 12 deaths this week alone. Please stop.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 01:25:34 PM
If you were trying I don’t think you would be able to achieve this level of irony. I’m also not sure why you are only keying on two states.
There have been 12 deaths this week alone. Please stop.
Oooh, 12. Do you have any context of past viruses or any other dangers that have faced our population over the years and we haven't reacted like this? People want to act like it's still March and we know nothing about the virus, at which time "15 days to flatten the curve" sounded reasonable.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 01:41:58 PM
Oooh, 12. Do you have any context of past viruses or any other dangers that have faced our population over the years and we haven't reacted like this? People want to act like it's still March and we know nothing about the virus, at which time "15 days to flatten the curve" sounded reasonable.
The virus is super infectious, and there's no treatment for it. People are dying by the thousands in your country (not just the elderly). That's why people reacted like this.
Maybe take your head out of the sand.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 01:43:15 PM
The virus is super infectious, and there's no treatment for it. People are dying by the thousands in your country (not just the elderly). That's why people reacted like this.
Maybe take your head out of the sand.
Yeah, welcome to last April.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 01:43:55 PM
Yeah, welcome to last April.
Nothing has changed. Actually, it got worse.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 01:49:20 PM
Nothing has changed. Actually, it got worse.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eHpyXkAEtI3R?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eH5CWAAIT6hR?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eIIpXsAAJjA2?format=jpg&name=large)
Yeah.
You guys are getting off track, by the way. This thread is for the NBA, whose boycott nobody seemed to care about and now it's over.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 01:50:08 PM
Oooh, 12. Do you have any context of past viruses or any other dangers that have faced our population over the years and we haven't reacted like this? People want to act like it's still March and we know nothing about the virus, at which time "15 days to flatten the curve" sounded reasonable.
As MB said, it’s super contagious and there is no cure.
Quarantining is what stops it from spreading. Not taking the quarantine seriously or ending the quarantine too early is what slows and eventually stops the spread.
What we have learned since March is that the lasting effects of the virus can possibly include permanent organ damage to the lungs and heart. This is nothing to be taken lightly. It’s killed 170,000 Americans so far. Overall, America constitutes 25% of the cases discovered in the world. How is any of this overhyped?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 01:52:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eHpyXkAEtI3R?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eH5CWAAIT6hR?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eIIpXsAAJjA2?format=jpg&name=large)
Yeah.
You guys are getting off track, by the way. This thread is for the NBA, whose boycott nobody seemed to care about and now it's over.
If you keep referring to the pandemic as overhyped in threads that aren’t about the global pandemic, you’re going to continue to get responses about how this line of thinking is dangerous.
It gets even more troubling when you continue to complain about the shutdown being unnecessary while posting evidence that the shutdown is working.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 01:55:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eHpyXkAEtI3R?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eH5CWAAIT6hR?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9eIIpXsAAJjA2?format=jpg&name=large)
Yeah.
You guys are getting off track, by the way. This thread is for the NBA, whose boycott nobody seemed to care about and now it's over.
Dude...that's still bad. And when flu season arrives in a month or two....your numbers will skyrocket again. You obviously fail to see the big picture, and unfortunately you're not the only one, which is why the US is in the state that it's in. Uneducated people like yourself not doing your part.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 03:50:11 PM
If you keep referring to the pandemic as overhyped in threads that aren’t about the global pandemic, you’re going to continue to get responses about how this line of thinking is dangerous.
It gets even more troubling when you continue to complain about the shutdown being unnecessary while posting evidence that the shutdown is working.
It worked when it was necessary, which it is no longer and hasn't been for a while. We have testing, knowledge, treatments that for some reason get pulled off the Internet, the hospitals are not, and were never, overrun. "Flatten the curve" was for when the curve was going up, look at it now.
Look up the numbers from H1N1. You've lost all perspective to the point where an opinion you don't like is considered "dangerous". That's what's dangerous--on a discussion board in a supposedly free country.
Speaking of which....
You’ve been warned. Just walk away.
When you can't form a coherent thought and the facts don't support you, shut down opposing speech. Fear not, mj is not a doctor with a solution who must be silenced. He's a Devils fan, we boycotted the playoffs before it was cool.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 03:56:48 PM
It worked when it was necessary, which it is no longer and hasn't been for a while. We have testing, knowledge, treatments that for some reason get pulled off the Internet, the hospitals are not, and were never, overrun. "Flatten the curve" was for when the curve was going up, look at it now.You know H1N1 isn’t nearly as infectious as Covid right?
Look up the numbers from H1N1. You've lost all perspective to the point where an opinion you don't like is considered "dangerous". That's what's dangerous--on a discussion board in a supposedly free country.
Speaking of which....
When you can't form a coherent thought and the facts don't support you, shut down opposing speech. Fear not, mj is not a doctor with a solution who must be silenced. He's a Devils fan, we boycotted the playoffs before it was cool.
You’re really good at facts *eyeroll*
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 03:59:20 PM
treatments that for some reason get pulled off the Internet
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let's have a JO journal club. please bring up the studies regarding the life-saving treatments you say are being 'pulled', please analyze the results, please explain and critique the study design and methods, and please interpret whether the studies actually mean a damn based off all of that.
people excrement on fauci so much, he is literally a medical expert speaking to the population and to politicians about why the studies they're bringing up regarding certain treatments are trash and poorly designed, and people don't want to listen. it's all just a part of the conspiracy
what else has to be done, what more do you people want
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 04:05:56 PM
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let's have a JO journal club. please bring up the studies regarding the life-saving treatments you say are being 'pulled', please analyze the results, please explain and critique the study design and methods, and please interpret whether the studies actually mean a damn based off all of that.
people excrement on fauci so much, he is literally a medical expert speaking to the population and to politicians about why the studies they're bringing up regarding certain treatments are trash and poorly designed, and people don't want to listen. it's all just a part of the conspiracy
what else has to be done, what more do you people want
You people??? Hey. :D
Fauci looks more and more like a fraud the longer we see him, but that's probably to be expected from a 50 year Washington bureaucrat. If the doctors who spoke out were wrong, why weren't they just answered for everyone to see? Why are they silenced? Because a drug that was approved 60 years ago and is dirt cheap doesn't benefit the people who have you hiding in your home.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 04:10:40 PM
You people??? Hey. :D
Fauci looks more and more like a fraud the longer we see him, but that's probably to be expected from a 50 year Washington bureaucrat. If the doctors who spoke out were wrong, why weren't they just answered for everyone to see? Why are they silenced? Because a drug that was approved 60 years ago and is dirt cheap doesn't benefit the people who have you hiding in your home.
https://twitter.com/ebtapper/status/1289326651201880065
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 04:10:44 PM
It worked when it was necessary, which it is no longer and hasn't been for a while. We have testing, knowledge, treatments that for some reason get pulled off the Internet, the hospitals are not, and were never, overrun. "Flatten the curve" was for when the curve was going up, look at it now.
Look up the numbers from H1N1. You've lost all perspective to the point where an opinion you don't like is considered "dangerous". That's what's dangerous--on a discussion board in a supposedly free country.
Speaking of which....
When you can't form a coherent thought and the facts don't support you, shut down opposing speech. Fear not, mj is not a doctor with a solution who must be silenced. He's a Devils fan, we boycotted the playoffs before it was cool.
I don’t know how you swallow all of this false information and the regurgitate it back up here.
If people are still dying from the disease than it is not over. If people are still hospitalized with the disease, then it is not over. The virus is still present in the population and if the infected interact with non-infected people, they spread the disease.
We have no viable treatments. The latest plasma treatment has been shown to work intermittently on patients at best.
H1N1 had a much shorter incubation period ranging from 1 day to 1 week, as opposed to COVID-19’s two week period, so it was easier to trace and contain than COVID-19. We also had a federal administration that took the disease much more seriously. Globally, the pharmaceutical community was able to develop a vaccine in much shorter order. This is not the same as H1N1.
Masking your willful ignorance as free speech under attack is an appalling appeal to patriotism. It’s a repugnant tactic that you need to stop utilizing.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 04:18:35 PM
and again, the way nba players deal with a white boy being called a 'white boy' on camera sets no fckin example and is in no way applicable to the situation blacks in america face. you say you're not doing something but you're actually doing something
The situation blacks in America face? Again, you want to act like the Civil War and civil rights never happened. We've gotten to the point where criminals become instant martyrs and cities are burned down because they don't listen to the police like everyone else.
I don’t know how you swallow all of this false information and the regurgitate it back up here.
If people are still dying from the disease than it is not over. If people are still hospitalized with the disease, then it is not over. The virus is still present in the population and if the infected interact with non-infected people, they spread the disease.
We have no viable treatments. The latest plasma treatment has been shown to work intermittently on patients at best.
H1N1 had a much shorter incubation period ranging from 1 day to 1 week, as opposed to COVID-19’s two week period, so it was easier to trace and contain than COVID-19. We also had a federal administration that took the disease much more seriously. Globally, the pharmaceutical community was able to develop a vaccine in much shorter order. This is not the same as H1N1.
Masking your willful ignorance as free speech under attack is an appalling appeal to patriotism. It’s a repugnant tactic that you need to stop utilizing.
People die from all kids of excrement all the time, so by your standard nothing is ever over. Hide in your house if you want, you probably won't be missed.
And I'm going to keep talking, sorry. Unless MB sobers up and bans me too, I'll go somewhere else and continue.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 04:19:13 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 04:23:53 PM
i am not trying to be mean. you deliver food, you have treated 0 patients with coronavirus, you've seen multiple videos from whackadoo doctors on social media spreading unscientific information about coronavirus that have no backing by any sort of evidence-based medicine, and you know one guy that died from covid. you stand on strong, objective ground when you make the proclamations about the virus that you do
Ok, for starters delivering is a side job, so let's get that out of the way. I've been in my real job for 18 years and in advertising for 30. I put my family before money so I do a side job which keeps me in my hometown. I mean, I don't think you're being mean, but you appear to have gotten your information from MB which is never a good thing.
Are you a doctor? If not, then like you (I assume) I read, listen, evaluate the information at hand. Numbers have gone down dramatically as knowledge is gained, testing improved, treatments used and evaluated.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 04:30:08 PM
Ok, for starters delivering is a side job, so let's get that out of the way. I've been in my real job for 18 years and in advertising for 30. I put my family before money so I do a side job which keeps me in my hometown. I mean, I don't think you're being mean, but you appear to have gotten your information from MB which is never a good thing.
Are you a doctor? If not, then like you (I assume) I read, listen, evaluate the information at hand. Numbers have gone down dramatically as knowledge is gained, testing improved, treatments used and evaluated.
i am a doctor, i work in the hardest hit covid hospital in pennsylvania, i have treated countless covid patients, i myself got covid from my work.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 04:35:50 PM
Are you a doctor? If not, then like you (I assume) I read, listen, evaluate the information at hand. Numbers have gone down dramatically as knowledge is gained, testing improved, treatments used and evaluated.
You know you live in America, right? I could see how you might get confused. If you think your numbers are going down and you have containment....then god help you.
There are no known treatments for Covid. Unless you count the bleach your fearless leader was spouting off about earlier in the spring....then god help you once more.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 04:36:33 PM
i am a doctor, i work in the hardest hit covid hospital in pennsylvania, i have treated countless covid patients, i myself got covid from my work.
Stay safe young bull. Hopefully the exposure didn't hit you too hard.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
it's not going to be enough, there is a group of people that want to believe in something and they'll believe in it no matter what
lol..yes!
*fistbump*
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 04:40:39 PM
it's not going to be enough, there is a group of people that want to believe in something and they'll believe in it no matter what
Can't think why.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-trump-bolsonaro-deaths-study-a9690521.html
Also, I'm going to move a load of these posts to the rona thread shortly because it's distracting from talking about the inevitable advancement of the Raptors dynasty.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
i am a doctor, i work in the hardest hit covid hospital in pennsylvania, i have treated countless covid patients, i myself got covid from my work.
Well, that explains a lot about your perspective. First of all I hope you're ok, took me a while to find this.
So you know the death rate is well below 1%, correct? Something like .02% I think? Your job would be a lot easier if everyone just stayed home, I get that, but at what point can the country survive continued lockdowns when 99+% of people who get COVID survive it? That's where most people are at who are just normal people, not doctors, not politicians, etc.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 05:07:24 PM
Also, I'm going to move a load of these posts to the rona thread shortly because it's distracting from talking about the inevitable advancement of the Raptors dynasty.
Now I see.
Dumbest post of the thread, by the way, not counting MB posts of course.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 05:07:41 PM
The situation blacks in America face? Again, you want to act like the Civil War and civil rights never happened. We've gotten to the point where criminals become instant martyrs and cities are burned down because they don't listen to the police like everyone else.
People die from all kids of excrement all the time, so by your standard nothing is ever over. Hide in your house if you want, you probably won't be missed.
And I'm going to keep talking, sorry. Unless MB sobers up and bans me too, I'll go somewhere else and continue.
I really hope your ignorant refusal to actually look at the facts of a global pandemic doesn’t lead to someone else’s death.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 05:07:42 PM
Well, that explains a lot about your perspective. First of all I hope you're ok, took me a while to find this.
So you know the death rate is well below 1%, correct? Something like .02% I think? Your job would be a lot easier if everyone just stayed home, I get that, but at what point can the country survive continued lockdowns when 99+% of people who get COVID survive it? That's where most people are at who are just normal people, not doctors, not politicians, etc.
If China can survive a 76 day lockdown, so can you.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 05:08:37 PM
I really hope your ignorant refusal to actually look at the facts of a global pandemic doesn’t lead to someone else’s death.
What facts have you looked at? If you're afraid, stay home.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
If China can survive a 76 day lockdown, so can you.
China welded people into their buildings and let them starve to death. Don't tell LeBron though, he's only against oppression here.
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 05:10:24 PM
Now I see.
Dumbest post of the thread, by the way, not counting MB posts of course.
You show the champions some respect.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
China welded people into their buildings and let them starve to death.
Did your GOP pamphlet tell you that? #Facts
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 05:15:05 PM
I'm not advocating shutting down everything.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 05:19:27 PM
To me, the big issue is that the people who make poor choices aren't the only ones who deal with the consequences. If the person who went bar hopping without a mask got it and died without infecting anyone, there would be less drama about it. Also death isn't the only problem. Many are having chronic issues leftover from fighting the disease. No one gives a excrement about a drunk driver that dies in an accident until they kill someone else.
Bingo
Plus the "if your afraid, stay home" narrative is the most ignorant attitude anyone could possibly take. Imagine being that big of a piece of excrement and still believing you're a good person.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 05:21:20 PM
What facts have you looked at? If you're afraid, stay home.
Aside from the ones I already presented?
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 27, 2020, 05:23:51 PM
To me, the big issue is that the people who make poor choices aren't the only ones who deal with the consequences. If the person who went bar hopping without a mask got it and died without infecting anyone, there would be less drama about it. Also death isn't the only problem. Many are having chronic issues leftover from fighting the disease. No one gives a excrement about a drunk driver that dies in an accident until they kill someone else.
I'm not advocating shutting down everything.
I think this is where most rational people are at. Some of us need to work or the rest of you are going to starve, that's just the reality of it. I also think there's a great deal of politics at work, at least here in the US. There are people who don't want this to go away, and any suggestion that it could is met with anger and dismissed. Including here.
Bingo
Plus the "if your afraid, stay home" narrative is the most ignorant attitude anyone could possibly take. Imagine being that big of a piece of excrement and still believing you're a good person.
Easy to say when you live in Winnipeg, among cattle who don't want to get within 6 feet of you in the first place.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 05:25:48 PM
I think this is where most rational people are at. Some of us need to work or the rest of you are going to starve, that's just the reality of it. I also think there's a great deal of politics at work, at least here in the US. There are people who don't want this to go away, and any suggestion that it could is met with anger and dismissed. Including here.
Easy to say when you live in Winnipeg, among cattle who don't want to get within 6 feet of you in the first place.
Are you really this stupid?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 05:28:02 PM
Speaking of beef that doesn't go near MB, has Arby's open back up in Winnipeg?
gone forever....
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
gone forever....RIP Hope Solo.
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 05:28:41 PM
That doesn't mean that "freak you I'm just going to pretend it doesn't exist" is an appropriate response though.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
RIP Hope Solo.
Send some over
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 06:06:28 PM
i am not trying to be mean. you deliver food, you have treated 0 patients with coronavirus, you've seen multiple videos from whackadoo doctors on social media spreading unscientific information about coronavirus that have no backing by any sort of evidence-based medicine, and you know one guy that died from covid. you stand on strong, objective ground when you make the proclamations about the virus that you do
i am not trying to be mean. you deliver food, you have treated 0 patients with coronavirus, you've seen multiple videos from whackadoo doctors on social media spreading unscientific information about coronavirus that have no backing by any sort of evidence-based medicine, and you know one guy that died from covid. you stand on strong, objective ground when you make the proclamations about the virus that you do
Since we're appealing to authority, you know better right?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/yale-epidemiologist-says-hydroxychloroquine-could-save-up-to-100k-lives-if-used-for-coronavirus
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 07:02:00 PM
Since we're appealing to authority, you know better right?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/yale-epidemiologist-says-hydroxychloroquine-could-save-up-to-100k-lives-if-used-for-coronavirus
Well, if we're going to keep climbing the authority ladder, here's the Dean of the Yale School of Public Health:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/26290/
Quote
Yale-affiliated physicians used HCQ early in the response to COVID-19, but it is only used rarely at present due to evidence that it is ineffective and potentially risky.
Then we can look, as we always should in matters of science, at peer review:
https://medium.com/@gregggonsalves/statement-from-yale-faculty-on-hydroxychloroquine-and-its-use-in-covid-19-47d0dee7b2b0
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But he is not an expert in infectious disease epidemiology and he has not been swayed by the body of scientific evidence from rigorously conducted clinical trials, which refute the plausibility of his belief and arguments.
......
the evidence thus far has been unambiguous in refuting the premise that HCQ is a potentially effective early therapy for COVID-19
Your move.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2020, 07:12:28 PM
It's negative affects/risks are fairly well documented as its been used for many years. It's benefits in treating COVID are questionable at best,if not potentially promising.
But regardless it's extremely irresponsible for anyone in a position of power/authority to put excrement out there like this during a pandemic with mass hysteria.
Countless drugs have gotten sold out and or backordered nationally/globally because of uneducated ignorant people playing doctor Google and self medicating. Make your decisions/risks with your medical team, none of this excrement should be a national debate or issue.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
Well, if we're going to keep climbing the authority ladder, here's the Dean of the Yale School of Public Health:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/26290/
Then we can look, as we always should in matters of science, at peer review:
https://medium.com/@gregggonsalves/statement-from-yale-faculty-on-hydroxychloroquine-and-its-use-in-covid-19-47d0dee7b2b0
Your move.
i was going to respond to his post about that link, but i am currently stressing over a presentation i have to bang out for tomorrow and cannot spend that much time. i appreciate this response and i'm going to address that post sometime tomorrow afternoon
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 11:20:27 PM
Only 100% effective treatment for covid is sitting in your basement, pounding beers, and never leaving.I'm singlehandedly curing it then, you're freaking welcome
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2020, 07:04:43 AM
doesn't benefit the people who have you hiding in your home.
Ah yes, the infamous people who are faking the pandemic for inexplicable purposes and no clear benefit. Makes perfect sense.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 28, 2020, 07:27:19 AM
Ah yes, the infamous people who are faking the pandemic for inexplicable purposes and no clear benefit. Makes perfect sense.
So the deep state can set up more pedophilia basements in your local pizza shops built without basements.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 28, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Ah yes, the infamous people who are faking the pandemic for inexplicable purposes and no clear benefit. Makes perfect sense.
THIS!
Of all the stupid excrement being spewed on the Coronavirus topic, this is easily the most ignorant thing being spouted.
Who exactly benefits in any way with this shutdown? The millions unemployed? The people wondering if its safe to send their kids to school or the teachers filling out their wills "just in case"?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
It's actually a fairly simple premise.
Post by: Johnny English on August 28, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
I certainly don't believe that coronavirus is a conspiracy. But has the narrative not been that the left/media is exaggerating it so that Trump loses the election? (and by narrative I mean that pushed by those people saying this is a crazy conspiracy blah blah blah)
It's actually a fairly simple premise.
Also that the cure / vaccine is being suppressed by the deep state to hurt Trump in the election.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 06:02:52 PM
I certainly don't believe that coronavirus is a conspiracy. But has the narrative not been that the left/media is exaggerating it so that Trump loses the election? (and by narrative I mean that pushed by those people saying this is a crazy conspiracy blah blah blah)
It's actually a fairly simple premise.
How would hyping a pandemic (lol) lead to more votes for Biden? If anything it puts his voting base in question. Telling everybody they shouldn’t leave their house, but also, get out there and vote! isnt a real strategy
I guess we’ll see in November, but there’s not a chance voter turnout is as high in 2020 as 2016, for a multitude of reasons.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 28, 2020, 06:33:49 PM
How would hyping a pandemic (lol) lead to more votes for Biden? If anything it puts his voting base in question. Telling everybody they shouldn’t leave their house, but also, get out there and vote! isnt a real strategyHe's probably going to encourage them to mail in votes, not get out and vote.
I guess we’ll see in November, but there’s not a chance voter turnout is as high in 2020 as 2016, for a multitude of reasons.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
How would hyping a pandemic (lol) lead to more votes for Biden? If anything it puts his voting base in question. Telling everybody they shouldn’t leave their house, but also, get out there and vote! isnt a real strategy
I guess we’ll see in November, but there’s not a chance voter turnout is as high in 2020 as 2016, for a multitude of reasons.
COVID-19 is probably going to be the biggest historic event in most people's lives. And if the narrative is that Trump royally fucked up the handling of it, letting it wildly spread out of control?
Do you not think that's something people will remember heading into November? While presumably BLM and the economy will be 2 of the 3 biggest issues heading into the election, I'd have to imagine COVID > all else
Example from NPR 3 days ago
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Nationally, 37% of Americans think Trump would do a better job handling the coronavirus than his Democratic opponent Joe Biden, according to a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll, while 53% favor Biden.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
He's probably going to encourage them to mail in votes, not get out and vote.
The mail in vote laws in this country are freaking retarded. Imagine having a national election based on winning certain random states on mail in votes with not every state having the same laws.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
COVID-19 is probably going to be the biggest historic event in most people's lives. And if the narrative is that Trump royally fucked up the handling of it, letting it wildly spread out of control?
Do you not think that's something people will remember heading into November? While presumably BLM and the economy will be 2 of the 3 biggest issues heading into the election, I'd have to imagine COVID > all else
Example from NPR 3 days ago
dcm, you could have done a better job handling covid than Trump. Sadly, that isn’t a dealbreaker for people that are going to vote for him.
Post by: MBGreen on August 28, 2020, 07:04:22 PM
dcm, you could have done a better job handling covid than Trump. Sadly, that isn’t a dealbreaker for people that are going to vote for him.It should be a dealbreaker though
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 07:08:39 PM
It should be a dealbreaker though
QAnon told me you would say this.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2020, 07:26:29 PM
I certainly don't believe that coronavirus is a conspiracy. But has the narrative not been that the left/media is exaggerating it so that Trump loses the election? (and by narrative I mean that pushed by those people saying this is a crazy conspiracy blah blah blah)Reminds me of this, which actually had a bit more weight behind it than the covid-as-sabotage theory
It's actually a fairly simple premise.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 31, 2020, 03:27:44 PM
That doesn't mean that "freak you I'm just going to pretend it doesn't exist" is an appropriate response though.
If you're referring to me, that's never been my approach or anything I've said. Thinking it is being politicized in the run up to a presidential election is not pretending it doesn't exist.
Ah yes, the infamous people who are faking the pandemic for inexplicable purposes and no clear benefit.
No clear benefit except tanking a record setting economy, then citing unemployment numbers and death tolls with no context to try and pin it on the sitting president.
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2020, 03:32:02 PM
If you're referring to me, that's never been my approach or anything I've said.
It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, I just have little patience for anyone overreacting in either direction.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 31, 2020, 04:19:54 PM
Yeah, and it all started when an idiot President appointed someone who believes you can convert the gay out of someone to lead the fight against the virus and has proudly touted false cures, and made wearing masks--literally the least a person can do to help contain the spread--an issue of freedom.
The entire situation is political because the right made it so.
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2020, 04:36:27 PM
No clear benefit except tanking a record setting economy, then citing unemployment numbers and death tolls with no context to try and pin it on the sitting president.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EvergreenRemarkableFowl-max-1mb.gif)
Post by: mj2sexay on August 31, 2020, 05:22:49 PM
dcm, you could have done a better job handling covid than Trump. Sadly, that isn’t a dealbreaker for people that are going to vote for him.
Now apply this logic to the governors of Michigan, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
"It's being politicized"
Yeah, and it all started when an idiot President appointed someone who believes you can convert the gay out of someone to lead the fight against the virus and has proudly touted false cures, and made wearing masks--literally the least a person can do to help contain the spread--an issue of freedom.
The entire situation is political because the right made it so.
yes it was the right trying to make the case that large outdoor gatherings with people on top of each other were somehow immune and covid-safe.
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2020, 11:17:11 PM
Good
Post by: MBGreen on September 02, 2020, 07:41:38 AM
@AndrewMarchand
Kirk Cousins just fine with getting coronavirus: 'If I die, I die' https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/kirk-cousins-is-fine-with-getting-coronavirus-if-i-die-i-die/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
via @nypostsports
glad Duff was outbid for this dunce.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 02, 2020, 07:48:26 AM
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2020, 07:58:18 AM
Don’t know if I can watch football without a Quarterback willing to die for the teamQuite a turnaround from your previous opinion of Cousins
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 02, 2020, 07:58:56 AM
Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand
Kirk Cousins just fine with getting coronavirus: 'If I die, I die' https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/kirk-cousins-is-fine-with-getting-coronavirus-if-i-die-i-die/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
via @nypostsports
glad Duff was outbid for this dunce.
But where will I go for pictures of someone grilling what appears to be video game assets?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 02, 2020, 08:05:52 AM
Quite a turnaround from your previous opinion of Cousins
I flipped after he called Drew Brees a traitorous cuck for walking back his comments on the flag
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 02, 2020, 12:13:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg7ES4kVgAIGCs3?format=jpg&name=900x900)
80 year old woman isn't afraid. Unless she knows something.
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg7ES4lVoAEy_yH?format=jpg&name=large)Or she's an entitled moron
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg7ES4kVgAIGCs3?format=jpg&name=900x900)
80 year old woman isn't afraid. Unless she knows something.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 02, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Or she's an entitled moron
This is the correct answer. It has been the case her entire career.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 02, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 02, 2020, 03:25:28 PM
Mmm them titties tho..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200902/d6480cf4c1323b927c95719f004cb148.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 02, 2020, 03:36:43 PM
Mmm them titties tho
You're not Big Blocker, are you?
Post by: MBGreen on September 02, 2020, 04:33:19 PM
You're not Big Blocker, are you?I’ll assume the Big Blocker title if I can take a run at those funbags
Post by: bojanglesman on September 02, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
I’ll assume the Big Blocker title if I can take a run at those funbags.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200902/17005f45786f20516702978866b4f2de.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 02, 2020, 07:39:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 02, 2020, 08:02:54 PM
https://twitter.com/kawaiitlyn/status/1300689418961915904?s=21
I love Cameo, it's an awesome thing. We had some fun with it at work.
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2020, 10:33:28 AM
Post by: ons on September 04, 2020, 11:21:32 PM
https://twitter.com/yellingatwind/status/1301588828860235777?s=19
My wife is a teacher - her school district hired a retired family medicine doctor who has adult children to 'consult' them on their opening plan. After months of administrators and this doctor planning, they never figured out things like: how will students drink water during the day, or what should teachers do with students who don't wear masks/wear them improperly, or who will teach the kids who choose not to come in?
At a recent school board meeting, after being asked those types of questions by the union officials, the doctor's final word was, "You can trust us to figure things out when we get there, you're going to be surprised by how well it goes."
Coincidentally, a decent number of teachers in this relatively small district have quit in the past two weeks, for some reason. And there is suddenly a substitute teacher shortage with three days until school is opened. Everyone's really excited about being surprised by how well it goes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 04, 2020, 11:26:55 PM
My wife is a teacher - her school district hired a retired family medicine doctor who has adult children to 'consult' them on their opening plan. After months of administrators and this doctor planning, they never figured out things like: how will students drink water during the day, or what should teachers do with students who don't wear masks/wear them improperly, or who will teach the kids who choose not to come in?
At a recent school board meeting, after being asked those types of questions by the union officials, the doctor's final word was, "You can trust us to figure things out when we get there, you're going to be surprised by how well it goes."
Coincidentally, a decent number of teachers in this relatively small district have quit in the past two weeks, for some reason. And there is suddenly a substitute teacher shortage with three days until school is opened. Everyone's really excited about being surprised by how well it goes.
JFC
Post by: MBGreen on September 05, 2020, 06:55:40 AM
My wife is a teacher - her school district hired a retired family medicine doctor who has adult children to 'consult' them on their opening plan. After months of administrators and this doctor planning, they never figured out things like: how will students drink water during the day, or what should teachers do with students who don't wear masks/wear them improperly, or who will teach the kids who choose not to come in?
At a recent school board meeting, after being asked those types of questions by the union officials, the doctor's final word was, "You can trust us to figure things out when we get there, you're going to be surprised by how well it goes."
Coincidentally, a decent number of teachers in this relatively small district have quit in the past two weeks, for some reason. And there is suddenly a substitute teacher shortage with three days until school is opened. Everyone's really excited about being surprised by how well it goes.
Yeeks!
Post by: bojanglesman on September 08, 2020, 12:29:26 PM
New @SDSUCHEPS paper by Dhaval Dave @FriedsonAndrew @Drew_McNichols & Joe Sabia ("Contagion Externality of Super-spreader") finds Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was a local & nationwide spreader of COVID-19. Estimated public health cost: ~$12B
See: https://t.co/uByz9ja6hL https://t.co/jdLlLkwRek
Post by: MBGreen on September 08, 2020, 01:02:12 PM
Scott Gottlieb, MD: New analysis on Covid spread triggered by Sturgis event and implicated in the current epidemic in South Dakota. The estimates in this paper, if confirmed, would place Sturgis as the largest studied super spreading event in U.S.
New @SDSUCHEPS paper by Dhaval Dave @FriedsonAndrew @Drew_McNichols & Joe Sabia ("Contagion Externality of Super-spreader") finds Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was a local & nationwide spreader of COVID-19. Estimated public health cost: ~$12B
See: https://t.co/uByz9ja6hL https://t.co/jdLlLkwRek
stupid bikers
Post by: Johnny English on September 08, 2020, 01:20:56 PM
stupid bikers
It's not like fat men with beards wearing leather and chaps and hanging out with lots of other men in sweaty bars have no form for spreading disease amongst themselves. At least we know where Puck spent his summer though.
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2020, 03:09:15 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/food/restaurant-news/2020/09/08/texas-restaurants-fuddruckers-and-lubys-announce-plans-to-liquidate/
Post by: Heismanberg on September 08, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
There's a place near a Fuddrucker's by our house called Sirloin Stockade. It's like Golden Corral for people on Medicaid. No idea how it's open or why it exists. MBGreen would love it.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 08, 2020, 03:46:04 PM
I passed a Luby's on Sunday and asked my pizza how they were still open.Golden Corral.... the human feeding trough.
There's a place near a Fuddrucker's by our house called Sirloin Stockade. It's like Golden Corral for people on Medicaid. No idea how it's open or why it exists. MBGreen would love it.
Post by: MBGreen on September 08, 2020, 06:01:35 PM
I passed a Luby's on Sunday and asked my pizza how they were still open.
There's a place near a Fuddrucker's by our house called Sirloin Stockade. It's like Golden Corral for people on Medicaid. No idea how it's open or why it exists. MBGreen would love it.
(https://i.imgur.com/xaxAyAp.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 08, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
The COVID burger
Post by: Johnny English on September 08, 2020, 06:15:38 PM
Winnipeg haute cuisine right here.
Post by: MBGreen on September 08, 2020, 10:29:53 PM
It honestly looks like something a 6 year old would make, and the only excuse for eating it is that it was your 6 year old. The idea that someone would willingly order, eat and pay for that abomination is mindblowing.
Winnipeg haute cuisine right here.
Your jealousy is showing
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 09, 2020, 10:15:54 AM
Quote
No, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Didn't Spawn 250,000 Coronavirus Cases
link (https://reason.com/2020/09/09/no-the-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-didnt-spawn-250000-coronavirus-cases/)
ELIZABETH NOLAN BROWN | 9.9.2020 9:44 AM
Here's what we were told: An August motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota, helped spread COVID-19 to more than a quarter-million Americans, making it the root of about 20 percent of all new coronavirus cases in the U.S. last month. So said a new white paper from the IZA Institute of Labor Economics, at least. And national news outlets ran with it.
"Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was 'superspreading event' that cost public health $12.2 billion," tweeted The Hill.
"The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally held in South Dakota last month may have caused 250,000 new coronavirus cases," said NBC News.
"The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally represents a situation where many of the 'worst-case scenarios' for superspreading occurred simultaneously," the researchers write in the new paper, titled "The Contagion Externality of a Superspreading Event: The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and COVID-19."
Not so fast. Let's take a look at what they actually tracked and what's mere speculation.
According to South Dakota health officials, 124 new cases in the state—including one fatal case—were directly linked to the rally. Overall, COVID-19 cases linked to the Sturgis rally were reported in 11 states as of September 2, to a tune of at least 260 new cases, according to The Washington Post.
There very well may be more cases that have been linked to the early August event, but so far, that's only 260 confirmed cases—about 0.1 percent of the number the IZA paper offers.
To get to the astronomical number of cases allegedly spread because of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the researchers analyzed "anonymized cellphone data to track the smartphone pings from non-residents and movement of those before and after the event," notes Newsweek. "The study then linked those who attended and traveled back to their home states, and compared changes in coronavirus trends after the rally's conclusion."
Essentially, the researchers assumed that new cases in areas where people went post-rally must have been spread by those rally attendees, despite there being no particular evidence that this was the case. The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed, also failed to account for simultaneous happenings—like schools in South Dakota reopening, among other things—that could have contributed to coronavirus spread in some of the studied areas.
The researchers also assumed a $46,000 treatment price for each person infected to calculate the $12.2 billion public health cost of the event—but this figure would only make sense if every person had a severe case requiring hospitalization.
The results of the IZA paper "do not align with what we know," South Dakota epidemiologist Joshua Clayton said at a Tuesday news briefing.
The IZA paper "isn't science; it's fiction," Gov. Kristi Noem (R) said.
It's also good election-time propaganda, apparently. Despite the dubious nature of the IZA study, a range of Democratic consultants and cheerleaders have been using it to condemn President Donald Trump.
Rioting still safe tho, no virus there.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 09, 2020, 10:19:39 AM
"Free Minds and Free Markets"
fart
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 09, 2020, 10:23:18 AM
lol @ reason.com
"Free Minds and Free Markets"
fart
Can't deal with the content, attack the source. Yawn.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 09, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
Post by: delavan on September 09, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Rioting still safe tho, no virus there.
Maybe Sturgis, SD was safer?
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-woman-stray-bullet-brooklyn-road-test-20200909-ijakm6snjbhj5kh6e2oa2imahe-story.html
Post by: MBGreen on September 09, 2020, 12:47:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhfWkn8U8AItiJc?format=jpg&name=small)Nuggies?
Post by: MBGreen on September 09, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
Nuggies?
not as good as tendies
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2020, 08:27:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 11, 2020, 08:32:38 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-we-wont-go-in-theaters-until-year-after-vaccine-2020-9?r=US&IR=T
Fauci knows the score.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 11, 2020, 11:06:19 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2020, 03:46:27 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2020, 04:04:03 PM
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2020, 06:51:38 AM
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2020, 10:31:35 PM
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1305592495087194119?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2020, 04:03:54 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/15/eight-people-caught-without-face-masks-ordered-to-dig-graves-of-virus-victims-13272250/
Post by: delavan on September 15, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
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Pitt Scientists Discover Tiny Antibody Component That is Highly Effective in Preventing and Treating SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Animal Models
https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/pitt-scientists-discover-tiny-antibody-component-highly-effective-preventing-and-treating-sars
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Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 06:00:05 PM
Pitt Panthers with some promising breaking news
https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/pitt-scientists-discover-tiny-antibody-component-highly-effective-preventing-and-treating-sars
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Interesting. UPMC was thought to be one of the leaders in vaccine development early in the game. Things kind of fell off off after professor Liu’s murder.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 01:06:22 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/
Obviously has to be balanced against muh liberties or something.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 16, 2020, 11:47:51 AM
Do better fam
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 11:49:49 AM
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1306257418779852801?s=21
Do better fam
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
https://twitter.com/5thyear/status/1307338591341871106?s=21
gross
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 11:56:39 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2020, 04:48:32 PM
https://twitter.com/gothamist/status/1308146036716732417?s=21Cancel rent, you bastards
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2020, 04:49:17 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2020, 04:49:22 PM
Cancel rent, you bastards
Which bastards?
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 06:17:39 PM
I work in the property management industry. We have both residential and commercial holdings. If people/commercial tenants stop paying rent, my company's business will immediately tank. That means our vendors don't get paid and employees will have to be let go.
Canceling rent is not the answer. Stimulus money for citizens and SMBs to pay their bills is the only reasonable answer
Post by: bojanglesman on September 21, 2020, 06:34:39 PM
The cancel rent thing really bothers meI agree. Cancelling rent sounds good in theory, but it just shifts the pain to someone else. It's easy to say freak the people collecting the rent, but they aren't all rich fat cats and those larger companies have employees.
I work in the property management industry. We have both residential and commercial holdings. If people/commercial tenants stop paying rent, my company's business will immediately tank. That means our vendors don't get paid and employees will have to be let go.
Canceling rent is not the answer. Stimulus money for citizens and SMBs to pay their bills is the only reasonable answer
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
The cancel rent thing really bothers me
I work in the property management industry. We have both residential and commercial holdings. If people/commercial tenants stop paying rent, my company's business will immediately tank. That means our vendors don't get paid and employees will have to be let go.
Canceling rent is not the answer. Stimulus money for citizens and SMBs to pay their bills is the only reasonable answer
The short term answer is actually the government supporting the top end of the pyramid. Tenants get a rent holiday (not deferral), landlords get a mortgage holiday (tough excrement if you own it, you're not out), mortgage providers can apply to the government for support if they can show hardship.
LOL at the idea of any part of that process actually working properly, but it's what should be done.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 07:49:59 PM
The short term answer is actually the government supporting the top end of the pyramid. Tenants get a rent holiday (not deferral), landlords get a mortgage holiday (tough excrement if you own it, you're not out), mortgage providers can apply to the government for support if they can show hardship.
LOL at the idea of any part of that process actually working properly, but it's what should be done.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you for the same reason I diametrically oppose trickle down economics. Those who don't have, need resources to spend--not the other way around.
The idea that an owner who doesn't currently owe a mortgage isn't out ignores what I pointed out earlier: there are employee salaries and vendors' invoices to be paid. No income means no payouts.
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2020, 07:56:06 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree with you for the same reason I diametrically oppose trickle down economics. Those who don't have, need resources to spend--not the other way around.
The idea that an owner who doesn't currently owe a mortgage isn't out ignores what I pointed out earlier: there are employee salaries and vendors' invoices to be paid. No income means no payouts.
I'm broadly in favour of what you suggest, but not when it comes to corporate rents. I'm not in favour of commercial landlords with massive asset bases not taking their share of the current pain, especially when money is cheaper than it has ever been.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 08:14:52 PM
I'm broadly in favour of what you suggest, but not when it comes to corporate rents. I'm not in favour of commercial landlords with massive asset bases not taking their share of the current pain, especially when money is cheaper than it has ever been.
That's a little bit different
If we're talking about landlords giving a break to a restaurant storefront that's suffering, yeah, I get it. But corporations need to pay rent--they're still making money.
But my point is more in favor of residential renters, which is generally who are the subject of "cancel rent" arguments. Those folks need assistance to pay their rent and bills. Just saying "you don't have to pay your rent this month" helps no one.
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
That's a little bit different
If we're talking about landlords giving a break to a restaurant storefront that's suffering, yeah, I get it. But corporations need to pay rent--they're still making money.
But my point is more in favor of residential renters, which is generally who are the subject of "cancel rent" arguments. Those folks need assistance to pay their rent and bills. Just saying "you don't have to pay your rent this month" helps no one.
Short term I agree on residential rentals, although there's still something quite broken about the system. Providing money to renters keeps the system running for now though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 08:26:39 PM
Short term I agree on residential rentals, although there's still something quite broken about the system. Providing money to renters keeps the system running for now though.
That's really my point. You have to keep the wheels turning in the short term. Rent is too high, trust me, as someone who has always lived in an apartment and can't afford to save for a mortgage downpayment, I know.
The only point I'm trying to make is that "cancel rent" is a simplistic "solution" that causes problems and doesn't really solve much.
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
Which bastards?Anyone with the power to do so
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2020, 10:31:59 AM
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Guidance from @NYCMayor for Covid closures in Brooklyn in Queens:
RED ZONES: Schools closed. Take out food only at restaurants.
ORANGE ZONES: Schools closed. Outdoor dining only. Businesses such as gyms closed
YELLOW ZONES: Schools and businesses open.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2020, 07:24:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 08:18:38 AM
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 09:52:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 09:56:43 AM
man those red states got schlonged by covid
First schlonged usage is a major success! Bigly!
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
First schlonged usage is a major success! Bigly!
googly moogly milky wilky honk honk jugga wuggas
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 10:32:42 AM
googly moogly milky wilky honk honk jugga wuggas
Put this on my tombstone
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 10:36:12 AM
Put this on my tombstone
I used a sharpie to write it on my dong shaft.
I only got up to "googly moog"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2020, 06:27:49 PM
Sweet
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2020, 08:32:26 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 08:52:29 PM
I feel like I've never looked at so many charts in any other year of my life.
This definitely beat out the year I took statistics and astronomy in back to back semesters.
Post by: Jumbo on October 15, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Well that settles it I guess
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2020, 01:09:56 PM
https://twitter.com/jessemckinley/status/1318581530353143809?s=19
Well that settles it I guess
huh
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 21, 2020, 07:19:02 AM
If I were in his shoes, I'd constantly push the narrative that I acted on the information I had received to that point from the people with the most data--the federal government. The narrative that Trump's administration withheld critical information to contain public reaction is a red carpet Trump himself rolled out.
But Cuomo is a dipshit.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2020, 03:25:25 PM
bye bitch
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2020, 09:19:29 AM
See you boys at Lot D1
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2020, 09:42:54 AM
https://twitter.com/jofoesho/status/1319676504708583424?s=21How do I get beer in me
See you boys at Lot D1
Post by: MBGreen on October 24, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
How do I get beer in meInject into your pee hole
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 12:40:49 PM
Michael Bay is a gigantic poopchute
Post by: IATA on October 29, 2020, 12:48:48 PM
which dumbfuck exec thought this was a good idea?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 02:12:56 PM
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Fauci said no return to normal before the end of 2021, at least, as coronavirus outbreak continues.
cool
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2020, 03:01:14 PM
https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1321846941634895872?s=21Hot
Michael Bay is a gigantic poopchute
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
Hot
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Biden’s America
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Biden’s Americaunsurelarrydavid.gif
Post by: delavan on October 29, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1319308549533597696?s=21
bye bitch
Canadian clamando
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2020, 07:39:56 PM
Every three days you're adding more new cases than we have had since this started. You have ten times our population and forty times the number of cases.
Get your excrement together, I want to tailgate next year.
Post by: IATA on October 31, 2020, 07:41:58 PM
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 31, 2020, 07:49:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ifqnl2q.png)
Every three days you're adding more new cases than we have had since this started. You have ten times our population and forty times the number of cases.
Get your excrement together, I want to tailgate next year.
That population ratio might reduce by the time next year rolls around.
Someone please tell me this vrirusus is all hype and then try and explain infectious diseases and pandemics to a doctor again. That was fun,
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2020, 07:54:01 PM
That population ratio might reduce by the time next year rolls around.
Someone please tell me this vrirusus is all hype and then try and explain infectious diseases and pandemics to a doctor again. That was fun,
Obviously it's real and more serious than some, me included, thought in March or April. It's also not as serious as some would still have us believe. The conflation of the virus and the miserably poor response to it to varying degrees by the shithead populist governments around the world needs to stop. It's not a coincidence that the US, UK and Brazil are all at the top end of the leaderboard per capita.
Johnson, Trump and Bolsanaro have all committed ideological genocide.
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Obviously it's real and more serious than some, me included, thought in March or April. It's also not as serious as some would still have us believe. The conflation of the virus and the miserably poor response to it to varying degrees by the shithead populist governments around the world needs to stop. It's not a coincidence that the US, UK and Brazil are all at the top end of the leaderboard per capita.But China
Johnson, Trump and Bolsanaro have all committed ideological genocide.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
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Thanks everyone for the encouragement. I'll keep posting new numbers and thoughts on the coronavirus when I can. But we're in a very disheartening situation.
By the numbers, cases and hospitalizations continue to increase in CT at the same exponential rate over the last week: doubling about every 3-4 weeks. If anything, the pace appears to have *increased* in the past month, with statewide hospitalizations doubling every 2 weeks or so. The entire state would qualify as a "Red alert" town by DPH criteria. (https://www.ctpost.com/news/coronavirus/article/Lamont-COVID-infection-rate-reaches-4-1-percent-15678481.php) We're on pace to hit 900 cases/day (which translates into 25 daily cases/100k), on a 7-day average basis, in 2 weeks. It'll take another week for the 14-day average to go over 900, and then it'll be a political decision (whether statewide by the Gov, or local Boards of Ed) on when everyone closes. (Keep in mind that a two-week delay means another doubling, to 1800 cases/day.) But we're still on track for schools closing statewide by Thanksgiving, if not sooner.
The curve also implies we'll have about 1200 patients in the hospital in 4 weeks. We peaked at 1972 back on April 22, and were down to 42 on August 17th. This could again cause the same strains we saw in the spring. But this time, we won't be able to hire staff from elsewhere (since the surge is nationwide), people won't (and shouldn't!) stop coming in for serious non-Covid problems, and hospitals can't afford to stop elective surgeries until the last possible moment.
This will also cost lives. Deaths lag cases by about four weeks. More testing equals more cases diagnosed, and a lower case fatality rate. (Better treatments, and less hospital overload also help here.) If you take our "good case months" of June, July and August, and compare them to our "good death months" of July, August, and September, you get about a 1.6% case fatality rate. We had 5310 cases diagnosed in September, and 89 deaths so far in October, which is a 1.7% CFR. We're likely to finish October with around 15k cases, which implies about 250 deaths in November. That's if we're lucky and hospitals can keep providing the same quality care.
I'm only talking about school closure because it's the only intervention with a hard number threshold from DPH. Ironically, K-12 schools (especially the elementary schools) do NOT seem to be a super spreader, and school closures, by itself, will likely NOT be enough to stop the spread in the community. The real value would be in sending a signal to people that things are serious again, and we need to be changing our behavior. And school closures by themselves didn't work in the spring in Italy, NYC, CT, or anywhere else, so my guess is cases would continue to rise and we'd be looking at a second lockdown at some point after that. Europe is there now: France and Italy are effectively rolling back to the equivalent of CT lockdown (manufacturing open, everything else closed), while Germany is rolling back to CT Phase 1 (retail and outdoor dining also open) -https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/germany-announces-new-covid-restrictions-france-braces-for-more-as-virus-surges-across-europe.html. They've waited too long, and we're not far behind them.
We don't HAVE to close the schools, and we don't HAVE to have a second lockdown, if the Gov does something less drastic *now*. Off the top of my head, there's: 1) focused mandatory rollbacks to Phase 1 in certain cities or towns (like Hartford, Danbury, Norwich) - this is being done in NYC with success so far; 2) rollout of contact tracing app, voluntary at first, and then mandatory for entrance into an indoor business (very successful in China and South Korea, less successful in numerous European countries where it's voluntary); 3) expanded weekly mandated testing for high-risk establishments like indoor dining, gyms, school staff; 4) strengthening the travel advisory to require mandatory quarantine without a negative-test option (done in VT); 5) strong recommendation to avoid ALL out-of-state travel and family gatherings (NY and NJ). ANY of these, if instituted early (as in, within the next week), could help stem the spread and delay school closure and ultimately a second lockdown.
But I don't think the Gov will do any of these in time. All of these could be unpopular, and he's shown to be a relatively lenient consensus-building-type guy throughout. (They did reinstitute weekly testing of NH staff and residents yesterday. https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-nursing-homes-mandatory-testing-20201028-5xkbrpsntbb4re2nwcx4yhrhum-story.html)
There's always hope, and I'll let you know the second I think these trends are turning. In the meantime, we can at least protect ourselves and our loved ones. Stay outdoors (coats, umbrellas), and don't let others in your house. Wear a mask in buildings other than your house, and outside near other people. Wash your hands. Please share this and spread the word.
The state of things in CT
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2020, 01:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/1322582245685821440?s=21
Basically, get out, stay out nasty hillbillies.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 01, 2020, 09:56:27 PM
Unrelated but TIL that DC's population outnumbers both Vermont and Wyoming.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 09:56:22 AM
Apparently Trump is threatening to fire Fauci after the election.This is one of the dumber focus points I've observed from people. If Fauci is so bad then why not fire him now? Or 6 months ago? It just seems like he's a convenient lightning rod for any criticism of federal handling of the pandemic, and that he's being kept there as a political punching bag.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 10:12:15 AM
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 10:15:03 AM
It should be treated as crowd pleasing rhetoric rather than a policy intention. Hillary is still a free woman not under any overt criminal investigation.The entire Q movement is based on the inability to process this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 01:26:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 01:37:36 PM
https://twitter.com/wcvb/status/1323337411569557504?s=21
It Comes at Night 2
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 02:37:16 PM
Post by: reuben on November 02, 2020, 02:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/wcvb/status/1323337411569557504?s=21
That's because of COVID, or because America's most racist city might be a little miffed tomorrow night?
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 03:39:13 PM
I love how the ones who make snide comments about the lack of COVID spread during protests are frequently the same ones who refuse to either believe that wearing masks helps stem the spread or somehow think that it is a violation of their rights.
Inexplicably simultaneously held beliefs:
-COVID isn't real/isn't that bad
-we were biologically attacked by China and must make them pay
-Trump has done a good job handling the pandemic
-Fauci (who works for Trump) has done a terrible job handling the pandemic
Feel free to add
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
Inexplicably simultaneously held beliefs:
-COVID isn't real/isn't that bad
-we were biologically attacked by China and must make them pay
-Trump has done a good job handling the pandemic
-Fauci (who works for Trump) has done a terrible job handling the pandemic
Feel free to add
- this mask is violating my bodily rights
- how cool do I look with my nose uncovered by this mask?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 04:20:43 PM
Inexplicably simultaneously held beliefs:
-COVID isn't real/isn't that bad
-we were biologically attacked by China and must make them pay
-Trump has done a good job handling the pandemic
-Fauci (who works for Trump) has done a terrible job handling the pandemic
Feel free to add
- this mask is violating my bodily rights-Social distancing restrictions on bars/restaurants are pointless
- how cool do I look with my nose uncovered by this mask?
-Pointing to a drop in cases after social distancing restrictions were implemented as a reason to remove social distancing restrictions
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 02, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
- social distancing/wearing masks increases anxiety, which releases cortisol, which weakens the immune system against coronavirus spin as to why we shouldn't do it LMAO
- masks decrease oxygen/cause hypoxia LMAO
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 02, 2020, 04:35:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 04:44:03 PM
That's become more and more of a thing here recently.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
fucken whiny dumbass pieces of excrement all over social media whining about having to wear a mask for 20 minutes while they go to whole foods, meanwhile surgeons have been wearing masks for intricate derriere techincally delicate fvcking surgeries for decades on decades without whining about it once or having anything negatively occur to them because of it
OK so I can see how your job is warping your opinion but out here in the real world...
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 05:04:20 PM
Has anyone seen the retards walking around in grocery stores or just public places in general covering their faces with dish rags instead of masks?I haven't seen this here unless you're disparaging #GaiterNation (in which case how dare you?)
That's become more and more of a thing here recently.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
I haven't seen this here unless you're disparaging #GaiterNation (in which case how dare you?)
No, they are using actual washcloths and towels
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 05:14:18 PM
No, they are using actual washcloths and towelsBut why
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
Has anyone seen the retards walking around in grocery stores or just public places in general covering their faces with dish rags instead of masks?Wow, that's stupid.
That's become more and more of a thing here recently.
I had been playing a lot of live poker during the pandemic (starting to wean myself off it as COVID rises). One place I play at finally got rid of the stupid face shields which don't do anything.
Can't imagine anyone having a rag over their face, wtf.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Lamont said due to an increase in COVID-19 cases, he is issuing mandatory changes to restaurants, event venues, performing arts, movie theaters and religious gatherings.
“We do have the ability to control the spread,” Lamont said. “We do have the ability to bend the curve, and we will do everything we can in our power to do that.”
He said restaurants will be moving back to 50% capacity with a maximum of eight people per table. Indoor dining will close by 9:30 p.m.; however, takeout and delivery will be allowed past that time.
Event venues must now cap indoor capacity at 25 and outdoor at 50. Movie theaters and performing arts will be capped at 100 people.
Religious gatherings will move back to 50% capacity with a maximum of 100 people. Virtual services are encouraged.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 06:17:30 PM
HARTFORD, Conn. (WTNH) — Governor Ned Lamont has announced that Connecticut is rolling back to Phase 2.1 at 12:01 a.m. on Friday, Nov. 6.
Lamont said due to an increase in COVID-19 cases, he is issuing mandatory changes to restaurants, event venues, performing arts, movie theaters and religious gatherings.
“We do have the ability to control the spread,” Lamont said. “We do have the ability to bend the curve, and we will do everything we can in our power to do that.”
He said restaurants will be moving back to 50% capacity with a maximum of eight people per table. Indoor dining will close by 9:30 p.m.; however, takeout and delivery will be allowed past that time.
Event venues must now cap indoor capacity at 25 and outdoor at 50. Movie theaters and performing arts will be capped at 100 people.
Religious gatherings will move back to 50% capacity with a maximum of 100 people. Virtual services are encouraged.
Cue Trump supporters blocking the streets.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 06:19:56 PM
Cue Trump supporters blocking the streets.
I invite them to block Albany Ave into Hartford. That street produces 2 bodies a night
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 02, 2020, 06:53:36 PM
I invite them to block Albany Ave into Hartford. That street produces 2 bodies a night
at some point within the next couple of months i need to go to new haven and get me some new haven pizza
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 07:16:32 PM
at some point within the next couple of months i need to go to new haven and get me some new haven pizza
Pepe’s
Sally’s
Modern
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2020, 09:30:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2020, 11:10:32 PM
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The leaders of Italian regions entering partial lockdown on Friday have lambasted the government’s new tiered system, which has categorised some areas with the lowest rates of Covid-19 in the country as high-risk red zones.
The row, which is expected to provoke more protests against restrictions in the coming days, erupted as Italy registered 34,505 new coronavirus infections on Thursday and 445 fatalities - the highest daily death toll since 23 April.
Covid-19 deaths in Italy since the start of the pandemic are the highest in mainland Europe and now stand at 40,192.
...
The restrictions, which will be in place until 3 December, are said to have been determined by the rate of Covid-19 transmission, the number of infections and people with symptoms and the availability of hospital beds.
Italy’s prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, said intensive care capacity would be at risk in 15 of Italy’s 20 regions within a few weeks unless new measures were enacted.
Greece
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Greece’s prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, said on Thursday that the resurgence of the virus required a three-week national lockdown that would begin at 6am on Saturday. The country recorded 2,646 new infections and 18 deaths on Wednesday, up sharply from last week. The virus has killed 673 people in Greece among almost 47,000 infected.
“It was a difficult decision … but measures must be taken for three weeks to overcome this second wave,” Mitsotakis told a videoconference on Thursday. Under the measures, Greeks can leave their homes only if they receive authorisation after making an official request by phone or SMS. Only essential shops, including supermarkets and pharmacies, will be open.
Unlike the previous six-week lockdown that began in late March, however, kindergartens and primary schools will remain open. Secondary school pupils will be taught remotely. University students are already doing online classes.
Germany
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Germany’s national disease control centre, the Robert Koch Institute, said 19,990 infections had been confirmed over the past 24 hours, topping the previous record of 19,059 on Saturday. The country has now recorded 597,583 cases and 10,930 deaths. A four-week partial shutdown took effect on Monday. Bars, restaurants and leisure and sports facilities are closed and new contact restrictions have been imposed. Shops and schools remain open.
Poland
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Poland reported 27,143 new cases on Thursday, well up on the 24,692 reported on Wednesday. The government is expected to announce new restrictions to try to contain the second wave of Covid-19.
Spain
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Spain, which is under curfew after the declaration of a state of emergency, reported 21,908 new cases on Thursday, and 368 new deaths – the highest daily death toll to date in the second wave. The country now has a total of 1,306,316 cases.
France
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In France, which is already in a month-long national lockdown intended to put “a brutal brake” on the virus, the mayor of Paris announced that some shops that sell takeaway alcohol and food will be forced to close at 10pm to prevent further contagion.
France’s public health agency said on Wednesday that there had been more than 40,500 new infections in 24 hours and 385 deaths in hospital. The overall French death toll stands at 38,674, and there are 4,089 people in intensive care. The country has 6,400 intensive care beds available nationwide.
-The Guardian
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 09:03:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 07, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
CNN: Biden to announce coronavirus task force as part of presidential transition.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/politics/transition-biden-coronavirus-task-force/index.html
Post by: Johnny English on November 07, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 07, 2020, 06:34:12 PM
Presumably he will be keeping Fauci?I would imagine he would damn near blow him to stay on.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2020, 09:37:53 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 06:18:28 AM
Lets
freaking
Gooooooooo
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2020, 08:00:11 AM
-DOW up 6%.
-Jets headed to 0-16 and #1 overall
-Trump dumped
-Gase soon to be dumped
Let's go to Ricks!
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 08:07:40 AM
-Highly effective vaccine on the way next year
-DOW up 6%.
-Jets headed to 0-16 and #1 overall
-Trump dumped
-Gase soon to be dumped
Let's go to Ricks!
I have to take a Trump Dump in a few minutes. #GetTheFebreez
Post by: delavan on November 09, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2020, 11:04:37 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
Fauci approved
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 01:47:45 PM
https://twitter.com/transition46/status/1325816759690129412?s=21 (https://twitter.com/transition46/status/1325816759690129412?s=21)
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 02:07:53 PM
well the NFL NBA and NHL will need the doses first, then congress the President and Judges......we should see it sometime around June.
Honestly! I think Q3 2021 is a good guess for its availability.
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 02:10:03 PM
Honestly! I think Q3 2021 is a good guess for its availability.
I have my own syringes...i'll buy a dose off a scalper
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2020, 02:45:10 PM
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An adviser for President Donald Trump's campaign, David Bossie, has tested positive for coronavirus only days after he was tapped to oversee the campaign's legal challenges contesting the outcome of the election, two sources confirmed to CNN.
Fate is really trying it's best to pass along a message to Trump.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 05:01:29 PM
well the NFL NBA and NHL will need the doses first, then congress the President and Judges......we should see it sometime around June.Make it Labor Day Weekend
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 05:19:09 PM
well the NFL NBA and NHL will need the doses first, then congress the President and Judges......we should see it sometime around June.
Tailgate 2021 is officially a go.
MB and Heismanberg should start preparing their excuses.
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 06:45:47 PM
Bamlivinnamblab
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2020, 06:48:08 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1325950862666166275?s=19
Bamlivinnamblab
Barry Bamlivinnamblab
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 06:50:56 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1325950862666166275?s=19
Bamlivinnamblab
Woooah Black Betty...
Post by: Badger on November 10, 2020, 07:24:52 PM
https://t.co/AdF6c4moRy
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2020, 11:43:44 AM
quite informative
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2020, 11:54:16 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine
quite informative
freak yo paywall
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2020, 12:02:17 PM
freak yo paywall
i didn't get blocked by a paywall, and i'm not a subscriber to the NYT.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
i didn't get blocked by a paywall, and i'm not a subscriber to the NYT.I did, then I didn't the 2nd time. You're off the hook this time.
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
I did, then I didn't the 2nd time. You're off the hook this time.
Send Arbys, or I'll turn it off again.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2020, 04:03:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/1326597493723893766?s=21
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2020, 05:34:37 PM
https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/1326596760710602753?s=21
https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/1326597493723893766?s=21
I'm one of those who chimes in "The virus doesn't know what time it is."
I don't get what closing everything at 10 PM accomplishes. My wife says "Well, young people tend to go out later, so it'll deter them, and by 10 PM older people are already drunk and starting to make bad decisions."
I get that, but the virus is like "IDGAF what time it is, I'm just looking to be deep in your throat y'all."
Post by: Johnny English on November 11, 2020, 05:36:57 PM
I'm one of those who chimes in "The virus doesn't know what time it is."
I don't get what closing everything at 10 PM accomplishes. My wife says "Well, young people tend to go out later, so it'll deter them, and by 10 PM older people are already drunk and starting to make bad decisions."
I get that, but the virus is like "IDGAF what time it is, I'm just looking to be deep in your throat y'all."
I think your wife is wrong. I think it will encourage young people to either have house parties and not spend any money with businesses that are already desperate, or to go out and then invite other young people they meet in the pub back to their homes to carry on drinking. I think it's policy made by old people who think they know how young people behave.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2020, 05:42:48 PM
I think your wife is wrong. I think it will encourage young people to either have house parties and not spend any money with businesses that are already desperate, or to go out and then invite other young people they meet in the pub back to their homes to carry on drinking. I think it's policy made by old people who think they know how young people behave.
Supposedly indoor gatherings of over 10 people are banned as well--likely to both prevent what you're mentioning, and to deter normal US Thanksgiving festivities.
And still, I don't see how it can be effective. The virus doesn't know what time it is.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 11, 2020, 05:48:21 PM
Supposedly indoor gatherings of over 10 people are banned as well--likely to both prevent what you're mentioning, and to deter normal US Thanksgiving festivities.The point is to affect human behavioral patterns. People are more likely to ignore social distancing requirements when they are drunk, that's more likely to happen later at night, aside from the normal happy hour alkies (guilty). If you remove the evironment you remove the virus' opportunity.
And still, I don't see how it can be effective. The virus doesn't know what time it is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2020, 09:02:09 PM
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2020, 09:56:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2020, 08:40:42 AM
That March feeling is creeping back
plz no
That was the worst feeling
I agree tho
Post by: bojanglesman on November 12, 2020, 08:47:08 AM
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2020, 09:26:08 AM
plz noDon't worry you'll be too busy to care soon
That was the worst feeling
I agree tho
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2020, 09:47:49 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 12, 2020, 09:49:22 AM
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
I can’t wait to pee off my entire family by telling them that I am not traveling for Thanksgiving.We still haven't decided what we're doing here. We alternate holidays between my family and my wife's, and this year was her family's turn for us to attend, but so far nobody appears to be hosting. On my family's side my aunt normally hosts but she is immunosuppressed and has wisely decided not to do it this year. My parents are trying to convince us to come over but I think my wife wants to just do our own thing at home.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 12, 2020, 12:13:26 PM
No one cares.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
Thanksgiving canceled in Chicago
Post by: Johnny English on November 12, 2020, 04:53:22 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/business/pfizer-covid-vaccine-coronavirus.html
Post by: Johnny English on November 12, 2020, 06:50:13 PM
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/there-should-be-a-tax-on-working-from-home-banking-giant-says-20201113-p56e8d.html
Post by: bojanglesman on November 12, 2020, 07:24:04 PM
Three guesses who has a massive exposure to commercial real estate liabilities?Did you post the wrong article?
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/there-should-be-a-tax-on-working-from-home-banking-giant-says-20201113-p56e8d.html
Post by: Johnny English on November 12, 2020, 07:31:41 PM
Did you post the wrong article?
No.... why do you think that?
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 12, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 12, 2020, 08:09:52 PM
No.... why do you think that?Nevermind. Took me a sec to get the connection. Working from home -> more empty buildings -> reduced value of commercial real estate
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2020, 09:16:53 PM
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2020, 10:51:42 PM
NYC schools told to *prepare* to go full remote by chancellor
I feel like this is going to happen anywhere people have brains pretty soon
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 05:41:21 AM
Nov. 1: 76,771
Nov. 2: 86,589
Nov. 3: 91,910
Nov. 4: 104,296
Nov. 5: 121,289
Nov. 6: 126,731
Nov. 7: 125,100
Nov. 8: 109,177
Nov. 9: 133,819
Nov. 10: 131,990
Nov. 11: 148,302
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2020, 05:49:36 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2020, 07:03:08 AM
Three guesses who has a massive exposure to commercial real estate liabilities?
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/there-should-be-a-tax-on-working-from-home-banking-giant-says-20201113-p56e8d.html
I kept seeing these headlines popping up in all of my feeds but kept ignoring it because I kept thinking "Screw you if you think I should extra pay taxes on top of my additional electric bill, food bills, and all the home office equipment I purchased."
Then I finally decided to read one of them last night and right at the top it said "researchers" from Deutsche Bank. GTFO
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 07:48:41 AM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
Post by: Jumbo on November 13, 2020, 05:57:16 PM
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960?s=19
People constantly punish under-prediction but rarely punish over-prediction. Strange phenomenon.
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
People constantly punish under-prediction but rarely punish over-prediction. Strange phenomenon.Because one cost lives and the other one muh economy
Post by: Jumbo on November 13, 2020, 06:53:20 PM
Because one cost lives and the other one muh economy
I mean that it's true in most/all cases not just with the virus.
Also I'm sure the state of "muh economy" has no effect on anyone's lives at all. Very intelligent take.
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 06:57:44 PM
I mean that it's true in most/all cases not just with the virus.The misery caused by a paused economy is way more preventable than the misery caused by death. They just chose to do very little about the former (and clearly botched the latter).
Also I'm sure the state of "muh economy" has no effect on anyone's lives at all. Very intelligent take.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2020, 08:30:42 PM
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2020, 01:04:13 PM
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1327836536424042498?s=19
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
https://twitter.com/patwmurray/status/1328057071334535175?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 15, 2020, 06:19:00 PM
Indoor gatherings have been one of the biggest driving factors of COVID-19 spikes in Washington and nation-wide. Because of this, indoor gatherings with people outside the household will be prohibited unless they quarantine for the fourteen days (14) prior to the social gathering or quarantine for the seven (7) days prior to the gathering, and receive a negative COVID-19 test result no more than 48-hours prior to the gathering. Outdoor gatherings are limited to no more than five people.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2020, 06:54:03 PM
Washington Governor Orders SWEEPING New Lockdown Restrictions; Indoor Gatherings "Prohibited"
Indoor gatherings have been one of the biggest driving factors of COVID-19 spikes in Washington and nation-wide. Because of this, indoor gatherings with people outside the household will be prohibited unless they quarantine for the fourteen days (14) prior to the social gathering or quarantine for the seven (7) days prior to the gathering, and receive a negative COVID-19 test result no more than 48-hours prior to the gathering. Outdoor gatherings are limited to no more than five people.
Probably a smart move.
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 08:18:18 AM
Moderna stepping up to the plate now.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2020, 08:20:21 AM
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2020, 05:42:28 PM
https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1328841442559741952?s=19
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2020, 05:52:35 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1328802995123990528?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 17, 2020, 05:56:27 PM
Post by: delavan on November 17, 2020, 08:06:11 PM
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/11/16/lead-gov-brown-live-jake-tapper.cnn
Post by: MBGreen on November 18, 2020, 06:39:05 AM
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Pfizer launches COVID-19 vaccine delivery program in four US states
The pharmaceutical company announced on Monday that Rhode Island, Texas, New Mexico and Tennessee were chosen the launch of Pfizer's coronavirus immunization pilot program to help with planning vaccine delivery and deployment. According to the company, the states were chosen because of their "differences in overall size, diversity of populations, and immunization infrastructure, as well as the states’ need to reach individuals in varied urban and rural settings."
Sounds like Heis and steves850 will get first dibs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 07:17:06 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 18, 2020, 07:25:19 AM
freak RI there’s like 79 people there
that's why they were chosen. Apparently they want to test drive this in states with diverse population sizes
Post by: MBGreen on November 18, 2020, 07:42:24 AM
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Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
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1h
BREAKING—Updated results from Pfizer said it’s #COVID19 vaccine is 95% effective (vs 90% in previous early results) and had no serious side effects. 94% effective in older adults. Of 170 cases, 162 in placebo. Of 10 severe, 9 in placebo. This is HUGE!!
(https://i.imgur.com/wf638Pt.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2020, 07:52:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wf638Pt.gif)
Puck has volunteered for the rectal version.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 18, 2020, 07:53:42 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 08:01:50 AM
2021: Rise of the Anti-Vaxxers
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 18, 2020, 08:10:22 AM
You thought the anti-maskers on the internet were annoying?
2021: Rise of the Anti-Vaxxers
I can’t wait until they get their kids banned from schools and show up to make a scene for YouTube and Twitter.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 08:25:21 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/gSSpJ7T/062743-F0-0-FAC-4838-BA35-80-DBFC412-BD9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZBBPxJ8)
Politicians suck
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2020, 08:27:36 AM
https://twitter.com/billfoxla/status/1328932610169561090?s=21
(https://i.ibb.co/gSSpJ7T/062743-F0-0-FAC-4838-BA35-80-DBFC412-BD9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZBBPxJ8)
Politicians suck
"All freaking....prohibited without full body condom."
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/j7hac6Bb16ok8/200.gif)
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2020, 08:28:48 AM
You thought the anti-maskers on the internet were annoying?Mandatory viewing
2021: Rise of the Anti-Vaxxers
https://twitter.com/AndreaRussett/status/1323878382975676417?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 08:29:46 AM
"All freaking....prohibited without full body condom."
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/j7hac6Bb16ok8/200.gif)
I can’t get off without ritualistic chanting so I’ll have to remain abstinent
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 08:31:53 AM
Mandatory viewing
https://twitter.com/AndreaRussett/status/1323878382975676417?s=19
I thought I posted that but I think I went into a coma after viewing
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 08:44:41 AM
You thought the anti-maskers on the internet were annoying?
2021: Rise of the Anti-Vaxxers
The suggestion I've heard is that in Ontario we'll have our health cards tagged once we've been vaccinated, and that you will need to show your health card to be allowed to do things like enter a restaurant, movie theatre or gym. So if people want to not get the vaccine we can't pin them down and shove it in their arm, we just won't let them rejoin society.
Personally I'd go a bit further and say that polling cards for any election will only be provided to people who have been vaccinated. If you choose not to fulfil your part of the social contract, then you forfeit your right to have a say in how society is run.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 18, 2020, 08:46:03 AM
Mandatory viewing
https://twitter.com/AndreaRussett/status/1323878382975676417?s=19
I feel like I’ve been watching this for months, but it could just be that it’s been on my feeds 1,000 times every day since it’s been posted.
I’ll never understand why people are so willing to believe that the Gov’t will bother manufacturing some kind of tracking chip to implant in people with a syringe when we willingly stand in line for hours to spend hundreds of dollars on a device that’s perfectly suited for tracking and we’ll get nervous about being away from for more than 5 minutes.
Post by: MBGreen on November 18, 2020, 08:54:44 AM
The suggestion I've heard is that in Ontario we'll have our health cards tagged once we've been vaccinated, and that you will need to show your health card to be allowed to do things like enter a restaurant, movie theatre or gym. So if people want to not get the vaccine we can't pin them down and shove it in their arm, we just won't let them rejoin society.
Personally I'd go a bit further and say that polling cards for any election will only be provided to people who have been vaccinated. If you choose not to fulfil your part of the social contract, then you forfeit your right to have a say in how society is run.
I like this post a lot.
Post by: Jumbo on November 18, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
The suggestion I've heard is that in Ontario we'll have our health cards tagged once we've been vaccinated, and that you will need to show your health card to be allowed to do things like enter a restaurant, movie theatre or gym. So if people want to not get the vaccine we can't pin them down and shove it in their arm, we just won't let them rejoin society.
Personally I'd go a bit further and say that polling cards for any election will only be provided to people who have been vaccinated. If you choose not to fulfil your part of the social contract, then you forfeit your right to have a say in how society is run.
ok I just hope you don't pretend to believe in bodily autonomy then
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
ok I just hope you don't pretend to believe in bodily autonomy then
Sure I do. I think I've made it very clear that I'm not intending to force anyone to have the vaccine, I'm just saying that if they refuse then we can't allow them to interact with other people. It's no different to not allowing people into a pub if they're already too drunk, or not wearing clothes, or carrying a gun.
Post by: Jumbo on November 18, 2020, 01:07:18 PM
Sure I do. I think I've made it very clear that I'm not intending to force anyone to have the vaccine, I'm just saying that if they refuse then we can't allow them to interact with other people. It's no different to not allowing people into a pub if they're already too drunk, or not wearing clothes, or carrying a gun.
"Get the vaccine or you can't rejoin society in any facet" is a lot different from getting kicked out of the pub. Do X or you can't participate in society is about as close to forcing without an explicit mandate as you'll ever get, especially on a social species who inherently want to do, you know, societal things. You've also jumped a step further and included voting in there, so even if you want to forfeit you right to do anything in society for the rest of time you also can't get your voice heard by anyone who might have the power to change that on this or any other issue.
"I've made it very clear that you're not forced to stay in solitary confinement for the entire rest of your prison stay, but you must do xyz" is normally considered a violation of human rights, but these are unusual times, after all.
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2020, 01:15:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 01:24:14 PM
"Get the vaccine or you can't rejoin society in any facet" is a lot different from getting kicked out of the pub. Do X or you can't participate in society is about as close to forcing without an explicit mandate as you'll ever get, especially on a social species who inherently want to do, you know, societal things. You've also jumped a step further and included voting in there, so even if you want to forfeit you right to do anything in society for the rest of time you also can't get your voice heard by anyone who might have the power to change that on this or any other issue.
"I've made it very clear that you're not forced to stay in solitary confinement for the entire rest of your prison stay, but you must do xyz" is normally considered a violation of human rights, but these are unusual times, after all.
I think that it's pretty clear that in any reasonable society the removal of the vote from a legal citizen is not a viable action, so if the hyperbole in my post wasn't apparent I apologise. I'll be more clear next time.
That said, the refusal to be vaccinated against a disease that so far has killed over a million people globally isn't really something that can be allowed to simply ride as a matter of personal choice. We exact all sorts of requirements upon people as conditions of participating in society; if you actively choose to be a willing potential carrier of a deadly virus, then you can't squeal about muh rights when society chooses to exclude you. You have the right to catch covid if you wish, but you don't have the right to spread it to others when the means to prevent that happening are being made available to you.
I'm curious - are you arguing this as a point of principle, or are you personally opposed to taking this vaccine?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 18, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
I’m not sure if that is a DoD level instruction or if the other branches have different rules.
Just throwing that out there.
Post by: Jumbo on November 18, 2020, 01:43:45 PM
I think that it's pretty clear that in any reasonable society the removal of the vote from a legal citizen is not a viable action, so if the hyperbole in my post wasn't apparent I apologise. I'll be more clear next time.
That said, the refusal to be vaccinated against a disease that so far has killed over a million people globally isn't really something that can be allowed to simply ride as a matter of personal choice. We exact all sorts of requirements upon people as conditions of participating in society; if you actively choose to be a willing potential carrier of a deadly virus, then you can't squeal about muh rights when society chooses to exclude you. You have the right to catch covid if you wish, but you don't have the right to spread it to others when the means to prevent that happening are being made available to you.
I'm curious - are you arguing this as a point of principle, or are you personally opposed to taking this vaccine?
Point of principle. I have a lot of issues with how the virus and issues surrounding it have been treated by people at large.
I think the problem with the framing around this whole argument is that no one actively chooses to be the carrier of a virus. Vaccines aren't 100% efficacious, similar at a different scale to NPIs; you can "do everything right" and still catch a disease/become a carrier. The chances are ostensibly reduced, but they still exist, especially at something like a 90% rate of efficacy.
So then it becomes a line-drawing problem. The vaccine is a good way to reduce the chances of spreading the virus to others, but so is the government walling everyone into their homes for the next year. All sorts of things can be mandated that would reduce the general public's chances of getting and spreading the virus. It should not be opposed that people get the vaccine; it should be opposed that governments mandate that they do, and I would consider not allowing people to do day-to-day things (even without the voting aspect) to effectively mandate it.
I also worry about a slippery slope, of sorts. In the US, Jacobson v. Mass in 1905 upheld a compulsory vaccination scheme - assuming the person would not be put at risk by taking it. 22 years later, in Buck v. Bell, this was cited as principle to justify a compulsory sterilization scheme: “The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.” While that was 100 years ago, I worry that something similarly inhumane could happen today with a similar justification.
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 01:54:11 PM
Point of principle. I have a lot of issues with how the virus and issues surrounding it have been treated by people at large.
I think the problem with the framing around this whole argument is that no one actively chooses to be the carrier of a virus. Vaccines aren't 100% efficacious, similar at a different scale to NPIs; you can "do everything right" and still catch a disease/become a carrier. The chances are ostensibly reduced, but they still exist, especially at something like a 90% rate of efficacy.
So then it becomes a line-drawing problem. The vaccine is a good way to reduce the chances of spreading the virus to others, but so is the government walling everyone into their homes for the next year. All sorts of things can be mandated that would reduce the general public's chances of getting and spreading the virus. It should not be opposed that people get the vaccine; it should be opposed that governments mandate that they do, and I would consider not allowing people to do day-to-day things (even without the voting aspect) to effectively mandate it.
I also worry about a slippery slope, of sorts. In the US, Jacobson v. Mass in 1905 upheld a compulsory vaccination scheme - assuming the person would not be put at risk by taking it. 22 years later, in Buck v. Bell, this was cited as principle to justify a compulsory sterilization scheme: “The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.” While that was 100 years ago, I worry that something similarly inhumane could happen today with a similar justification.
I think a lot of that's fair.
To the point of efficacy, of course the vaccine doesn't guarantee that someone won't catch the disease or transmit it, but it does massively reduce the chances of both. Even the 5-10% of people for whom it doesn't work are significantly protected by the 90-95% of people for whom it does; if you get the vaccine and unbeknown to you are still susceptible, the fact that most other people you come into contact with are immune means that your chances of getting it are massively reduced. This is the point of the flu vaccine, just because you don't care if you catch flu doesn't mean you shouldn't have it. You get the vaccine so you won't pass it to someone who can't take the vaccine because of their underlying conditions that make it a much more serious thing for them, and as we have seen this is a more serious and more infectious illness than flu.
I understand the point about the slippery slope, but I don't know that I buy it. If we're going to have such a fight over such a stupidly obvious thing as taking a well studied and researched vaccine for a global pandemic, I find it hard to believe that it's going to be an easy stepping stone to anything else.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 01:54:40 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 18, 2020, 01:58:45 PM
https://twitter.com/nycmayor/status/1329142152639733761?s=21
lol 3%....Winnipeg is currently at 13.8%
Post by: Jumbo on November 18, 2020, 02:01:26 PM
I think a lot of that's fair.
To the point of efficacy, of course the vaccine doesn't guarantee that someone won't catch the disease or transmit it, but it does massively reduce the chances of both. Even the 5-10% of people for whom it doesn't work are significantly protected by the 90-95% of people for whom it does; if you get the vaccine and unbeknown to you are still susceptible, the fact that most other people you come into contact with are immune means that your chances of getting it are massively reduced. This is the point of the flu vaccine, just because you don't care if you catch flu doesn't mean you shouldn't have it. You get the vaccine so you won't pass it to someone who can't take the vaccine because of their underlying conditions that make it a much more serious thing for them, and as we have seen this is a more serious and more infectious illness than flu.
I understand the point about the slippery slope, but I don't know that I buy it. If we're going to have such a fight over such a stupidly obvious thing as taking a well studied and researched vaccine for a global pandemic, I find it hard to believe that it's going to be an easy stepping stone to anything else.
Yeah I get the point about the vaccine, I didn't say don't take it or it doesn't help. The point is that it, like other things, only reduces the chance, and it doesn't seem mandating such a thing that only shifts the risk calculation is fair/embodying the principle of bodily autonomy in the first place.
To the second, certain countries likely will mandate the vaccine. Probably won't in most Western ones. But the slippery slope has already happened before; it will probably be different if it ever occurs again, but there's a chance it might. I'd rather pushback against it too early in the game than too late.
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
Yeah I get the point about the vaccine, I didn't say don't take it or it doesn't help. The point is that it, like other things, only reduces the chance, and it doesn't seem mandating such a thing that only shifts the risk calculation is fair/embodying the principle of bodily autonomy in the first place.
I don't think that's true. The magic number for herd immunity was I think 70%, so a vaccine with a 90-95% effective rate doesn't shift the risk calculation, it completely eradicates the illness in very short order. There is a percentage of the population who probably won't be able to have it for underlying reasons, just as with flu, and there will be another percentage who won't get it for social reasons (e.g. the homeless), so we need as many who can to do so in order to completely wipe out covid.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
I don't think that's true. The magic number for herd immunity was I think 70%, so a vaccine with a 90-95% effective rate doesn't shift the risk calculation, it completely eradicates the illness in very short order. There is a percentage of the population who probably won't be able to have it for underlying reasons, just as with flu, and there will be another percentage who won't get it for social reasons (e.g. the homeless), so we need as many who can to do so in order to completely wipe out covid.
I won't get it because of the microchip that reports to Soros.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 03:03:11 PM
I won't get it because of the microchip that reports to Soros.
Sent from my iSorosTrackingDevice
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2020, 08:54:15 AM
North Dakota posted the the world's highest COVID mortality rate last week. Their governor has been anti-mask mandate from the start.
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2020, 09:21:41 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-dakota-covid-death-rate-cases-b1727143.html%3famp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-dakota-covid-death-rate-cases-b1727143.html%3famp)
North Dakota posted the the world's highest COVID mortality rate last week. Their governor has been anti-mask mandate from the start.
No surprise from Bumblefuck, USA.
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2020, 09:46:33 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2020, 10:09:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
Build a wall around the Dakotas
the native casinos won't survive
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
https://deadspin.com/everyone-feel-really-bad-for-kelly-stafford-living-unde-1845718465 (https://deadspin.com/everyone-feel-really-bad-for-kelly-stafford-living-unde-1845718465)
Post by: Johnny English on November 19, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Turns out Matt Stafford’s wife is about as intelligent as you would expect someone who is married to Matt Stafford to be.
https://deadspin.com/everyone-feel-really-bad-for-kelly-stafford-living-unde-1845718465 (https://deadspin.com/everyone-feel-really-bad-for-kelly-stafford-living-unde-1845718465)
This is the same wife who had brain cancer a few years ago, right? I would have expected her to be a little bit more aware of the risks, but as you say. Given Stafford is thick as pigshit and twice as dense, it's probably not a huge surprise his wife would be as well.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 19, 2020, 06:44:56 PM
This is the same wife who had brain cancer a few years ago, right? I would have expected her to be a little bit more aware of the risks, but as you say. Given Stafford is thick as pigshit and twice as dense, it's probably not a huge surprise his wife would be as well.
i knew JE would be here for this ish
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2020, 08:32:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ProfLWiley/status/1329608752933253121?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 20, 2020, 10:48:39 AM
No Arby's for you.
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
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THE GAP BETWEEN Black and white life expectancy in the U.S. is expected to widen by as much as 5.17 years by the end of 2020 due to the disproportionate toll of the Covid-19 pandemic, according to a study by Theresa Andrasfay and Noreen Goldman. The researchers — a postdoctoral fellow in gerontology from the University of Southern California and a professor of demography from Princeton University — found that overall, life expectancy in the U.S. will shrink by more than one year because of the pandemic. For Black people, the average lifespan will be shortened by just over two years, while Latinos will see their life expectancy from birth reduced by more than three years. Meanwhile, the pandemic will shave just over eight months off the white lifespan.
https://theintercept.com/2020/11/20/covid-19-pandemic-life-expectancy-race/
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 20, 2020, 12:20:14 PM
https://theintercept.com/2020/11/20/covid-19-pandemic-life-expectancy-race/
there is no disparity or inequality in this country, and if there is it's because people have brought it upon themselves
right?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 20, 2020, 01:07:47 PM
there is no disparity or inequality in this country, and if there is it's because people have brought it upon themselves
right?
This will teach people stop choosing to be not white!
Post by: Johnny English on November 20, 2020, 02:28:17 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/who-remdesivir-trial-1.5809424
But Pfizer and BioNTech have asked the FDA to expedite approval of their vaccine with a view to starting to stick it in Americans by mid December.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7474215/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-emergency-use/
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 20, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 21, 2020, 01:50:22 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2020, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/i-predict-your-predictions-are-wrong/611896/
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 24, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/23/21591420/comcast-cap-data-1-2tb-home-users-internet-xfinity (https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/23/21591420/comcast-cap-data-1-2tb-home-users-internet-xfinity)
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 24, 2020, 07:14:43 AM
Since it could affect people in an extended lockdown:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/23/21591420/comcast-cap-data-1-2tb-home-users-internet-xfinity (https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/23/21591420/comcast-cap-data-1-2tb-home-users-internet-xfinity)
Relatedly, but unrelated to coronavirus, I can't wait for Biden to shitcan that POS Ajit Pai. I hope he brings back Tom Wheeler who immediately rolls back everything Pai's done.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 24, 2020, 07:44:14 AM
Relatedly, but unrelated to coronavirus, I can't wait for Biden to shitcan that POS Ajit Pai. I hope he brings back Tom Wheeler who immediately rolls back everything Pai's done.
I hope Wheeler smashes Pai’s stupid freaking coffee mug over his head.
Edit: I a word there.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2020, 08:42:03 AM
Since it could affect people in an extended lockdown:freak Comcast
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/23/21591420/comcast-cap-data-1-2tb-home-users-internet-xfinity (https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/23/21591420/comcast-cap-data-1-2tb-home-users-internet-xfinity)
All my homies hate Comcast
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 24, 2020, 09:38:42 AM
I Wheeler smashes Pai’s stupid freaking coffee mug over his head.
I want to smash Pai's face into Ted Cruz's until they're both just a pulpy mess of gore and bone.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
I want to smash Pai's face into Ted Cruz's until they're both just a pulpy mess of gore and bone.So much for the tolerant left
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 24, 2020, 07:47:01 PM
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
https://twitter.com/DenverChannel/status/1331663117718233094?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2020, 01:57:10 PM
Mayors, amirite?That's annoying as excrement. Not just him, lots of democrats. How dumb are they to think no one will know?
https://twitter.com/DenverChannel/status/1331663117718233094?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 25, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
Mayors, amirite?
https://twitter.com/DenverChannel/status/1331663117718233094?s=19
This is how we end up with mask protests and the wackjobs ranting that the govt is taking their freedom away
Post by: delavan on November 25, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 25, 2020, 05:27:55 PM
Do as I say, not as I do. Gov'tofbyforat the people. Anyway, hope he has a nice trip, the hypocrite.
Haha pretty much......
Post by: delavan on November 25, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Haha pretty much......
Generally I'm on board with the "extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures" thing and I'm all for insisting on masks, social distancing, etc. (vs. the selfish mask-protesting goobers) but this call to rat on your parents is pretty fucked up in principle: https://www.wcax.com/2020/11/24/vermont-schools-will-ask-students-if-they-celebrated-at-home/
And who's the Karen-queynte Gov. (PA) who gave 'last call' at 5:00 in the afternoon today?
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2020, 08:05:29 PM
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201012/police-at-high-risk-for-covid-19-race-to-adapt
Post by: Miamipuck on November 27, 2020, 08:41:18 PM
Generally I'm on board with the "extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures" thing and I'm all for insisting on masks, social distancing, etc. (vs. the selfish mask-protesting goobers) but this call to rat on your parents is pretty fucked up in principle: https://www.wcax.com/2020/11/24/vermont-schools-will-ask-students-if-they-celebrated-at-home/
And who's the Karen-queynte Gov. (PA) who gave 'last call' at 5:00 in the afternoon today?
It's getting a little crazy with that stuff. Hopefully the vaccines efficacy rates are accurate, then we will be able to put this crap behind us.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2020, 09:49:22 AM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1333074508262100992?s=19
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 07:39:23 PM
Is this a world where they let people into the games? Pretty sure I can live another two years.
put a mask on and find out.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
put a mask on and find out.
LOL yeah, that'll make a big difference.
My Platters are putting a whoopin on those Mask Nazis, BTW.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 07:43:22 PM
LOL yeah, that'll make a big difference.
and that's the attitude preventing stadiums from filling to capacity.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 07:48:06 PM
and that's the attitude preventing stadiums from filling to capacity.
Actually it isn't.
You should come to NY and help Cuomo round up some Jews, you'll fit right in.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 07:51:13 PM
Actually it isn't.
You should come to NY and help Cuomo round up some Jews, you'll fit right in.
Actually it is.
You should start trusting some of the people that didn't fail science in high school.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 07:56:19 PM
We know IS has bad takes on masks, do we really need to drag that into every thread?
I didn't think so at first...but now I think it's a good idea.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 08:17:19 PM
Actually it is.
You should start trusting some of the people that didn't fail science in high school.
I live in a free country, at least for now. You can stay in Canada and do as you're told.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 08:18:36 PM
We know IS has bad takes on masks, do we really need to drag that into every thread?
Depends who you ask and when. No evidence they help or not, they might help MB get laid.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 08:38:44 PM
I live in a free country, at least for now. You can stay in Canada and do as you're told.I hope you enjoy empty stadiums
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
I hope you enjoy empty stadiumsIt is probably for the best this season.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 08:45:40 PM
It is probably for the best this season.Of course it is...but people refusing to wear masks will only further delay fan participation. Which was my point.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 08:54:53 PM
Of course it is...but people refusing to wear masks will only further delay fan participation. Which was my point.
We wear them, you have to to enter a store, but they don't do anything except let the feeble minded feel safer. You're making a boogeyman argument, this thing is being prolonged by power hungry politicians, not people refusing to wear masks.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 30, 2020, 10:09:48 PM
We wear them, you have to to enter a store, but they don't do anything except let the feeble minded feel safer. You're making a boogeyman argument, this thing is being prolonged by power hungry politicians, not people refusing to wear masks.
You are a dumb, dumb piece of excrement
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 10:19:01 PM
You are a dumb, dumb piece of excrement
Good argument. You might want to come and round up some Jews too. All the cool kids are doing it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2020, 10:24:14 PM
Post by: Jumbo on November 30, 2020, 10:25:38 PM
What's the deal with airline food?
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 10:27:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 30, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 01, 2020, 12:25:41 AM
What's the deal with airline food?
Why don't they just make the plane outta the airline food?!
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 06:09:37 AM
Good argument. You might want to come and round up some Jews too. All the cool kids are doing it.We get it...you flunked science.
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2020, 06:50:43 AM
#MBHolocaustThat's not funny, he lost family in the holocaust when one of his great uncles fell off a guard tower.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 06:54:52 AM
That's not funny, he lost family in the holocaust when one of his great uncles fell off a guard tower.Uncle Bjorn...RIP
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 08:17:58 AM
We get it...you flunked science.
Evidently so did all the politicians who don't follow their own orders.
Post by: ons on December 01, 2020, 09:32:42 AM
Evidently so did all the politicians who don't follow their own orders.
Yes, absolutely, or they are so narcissistic and self-centered on both sides of the aisle that they understood the science but think they're too important to have to comply.
Which is why you should be getting information from front-line health care workers instead:
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In the past two weeks, the hospital had to convert an entire building into a COVID-19 tower, from the top down. It now has 10 COVID-19 units, each taking up an entire hospital floor. Three of the units provide intensive care to the very sickest people, several of whom die every day. One unit solely provides “comfort care” to COVID-19 patients who are certain to die. “We’ve never had to do anything like this,” Angela Hewlett, the infectious-disease specialist who directs the hospital’s COVID-19 team, told me. “We are on an absolutely catastrophic path.”
To hear such talk from someone at UNMC, the best-prepared of America’s hospitals, should shake the entire nation.
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Before COVID-19, Long worked in oncology. Death is no stranger to her, but she tells me she can barely comprehend the amount she has seen in recent weeks. “I used to be able to leave work at work, but with the pandemic, it follows me everywhere I go,” she said. “It’s all I see when I come home, when I look at my kids.”
Long and other nurses have told many families that they can’t see their dying loved ones, and then sat with those patients so they didn’t have to die alone. Lindsay Ivener, a staff nurse, told me that COVID-19 had recently killed an elderly woman whom she was caring for, the woman’s husband, and one of her grandchildren. A second grandchild had just been admitted to the hospital with COVID-19. “It just tore this whole family apart in a month,” Ivener said. “I couldn’t even cry. I didn’t have the energy.”
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Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak. Hatton says that his intensive-care unit is housing twice as many patients as it normally does. His shifts usually last 12 to 24 hours, but can stretch to 36. “There are times I’ll come in in the morning, see patients, work that night, work all the next day, and then go home,” he told me. I asked him how many such shifts he has had to do. “Too many,” he said.
As hard as the work fatigue is, the “societal fatigue” is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn’t exist.
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Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said.
“Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bullshit because no one is listening to us,” Neville said.
“To be a nurse, you really have to care about people,” Neville said. But when an ICU is packed with COVID-19 patients, most of whom are likely to die, “to protect yourself, you just shut down. You get to the point when you realize that you’ve become a machine. There’s only so many bags you can zip.”
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“I’ve had conversations with people who’ve been nurses for 25 years, and all of them say the same thing: ‘We’ve never worked in this environment before,’” says Jennifer Gil from Thomas Jefferson University Hospital in Philadelphia, who contracted COVID-19 herself in March.
And read published academics about mask efficacy:
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1 (full pdf available through link)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LaSqB-o56YKaDbAel7BtkgZPiIqg9J_Y8qLMyxJci1SB2tvJ2lj1SSV9oI1u8dXzlF8Xey5Q3Sg34OJk_c0mFrC_mXRSK_zPsYhvjSCT1hbG59pr6j16nn5Xb18szuAsuheQ9rDx)
And see accounts from first hand victims of the virus:
https://www.facebook.com/sara.rincon.925/videos/3350105315052304/
(she died, still hospitalized, a couple weeks after this video)
Sorry for interjecting in this thread, but anywhere this information is being denied is dangerous.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 09:40:36 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2020, 09:48:12 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2020, 12:04:04 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
I WON THE ELECTION!!! BY A LOT!!!
Don't look back in anger.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 01, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
^ elite post....too bad it's wasted on a guy who delivers pizza for a living.
This is such a freaking disgusting comment on so many levels.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 01, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
Yes, diversity of opinion is frowned upon here, I'm aware of that. You guys need to do better at that.
Dude, this is not a matter of opinion...
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
This is such a freaking disgusting comment on so many levels.
*chef's kiss*
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2020, 12:42:24 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 01, 2020, 12:58:23 PM
^ elite post....too bad it's wasted on a guy who delivers pizza for a living.
What kind of pizza? Asking for a friend
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
Lol I work in a super market so I am right up there with pizza delivery guy. I do wear a mask 10 hours a day plus and freaking can't stand it yet realize the benefits but still.........
I thought you were a swashbuckler on a pirate ship now.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
I thought you were a swashbuckler on a pirate ship now.
This summer and fall I was, I live in NY no freaking way am I going on a Pirate boat in 20 foot seas to freeze my funbags off. I will let those crazyass crab fishermen do that.
Post by: Jumbo on December 01, 2020, 01:37:25 PM
Sorry for interjecting in this thread, but anywhere this information is being denied is dangerous.
By most accounts, the USA is now over 80% of people wearing masks in public in the vast majority of states: https://covidcast.cmu.edu/?sensor=fb-survey-smoothed_wearing_mask&level=state&date=20201022&signalType=value&encoding=color&mode=top10 (just one source but you can find others that will confirm the same). This is more than significant parts of Europe and even Asia at this point.
Previously, the 80% threshold was being pushed as the amount of Americans that would need to wear masks in order to make infections plummet, e.g.: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says . Although some put the figure now at 95% (which is absurdly high for any population to conform to for basically anything)
Prior studies before March often found little efficacy in cloth masking, which is why no one pushed back on Fauci/CDC/et al. in March when they were saying that people should not wear masks in order to save them for healthcare workers. The WHO did a review of face masks in 2019, took the 10 most best for review, and these were the ones they picked out: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjAnbJsXYAAix2j.jpg
Even some reviews from this year find little efficacy with widespread usage of cloth masking, e.g.: https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
In general, it's tough to find significant correlations between any measured mandated NPI and growth rate in cases, which you can play with here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/government-response-stringency-index-vs-biweekly-change-in-confirmed-covid-19-cases?time=2020-11-30..latest
Does that mean no one should wear masks, ever? I don't think so, there are scenarios where it can probably be a help especially if you'll be in close quarters with others for significant periods inside. But all of this "wear a cloth/surgical mask at all times or you don't believe in THE SCIENCE" bullshit doesn't really help, either. I don't understand the inclination to pretend that THE SCIENCE is so ironclad either: before this year, it was highly debated whether for both in medical settings, and in population settings, widespread use could work to stop the spread of disease.
And that's before we even get into the efficacy of people who wear the same mask for months on end without washing or changing it, when most studies assume that people change or wash them often. "Proper use" =/= the way much of the general public uses masks. The data on widespread mask wearing is nowhere near ironclad, which is the most generous I'm willing to give. Pretending otherwise is... dangerous?
I'm glad we had this discussion about Quinnen Williams.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 02:32:38 PM
This is such a freaking disgusting comment on so many levels.
Wasn't expecting any kind of intelligent comeback from MB Science lol.
Dude, this is not a matter of opinion...
Yeah, it is.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
Wasn't expecting any kind of intelligent comeback from MB Science lol.
I'm not here to deliver witty comebacks. The hope was to educate non-believing turnips like yourself, so that someday society can return to normal.
Clearly...that's not gonna happen anytime soon. And the blame is squarely on people like yourself.
Post by: ons on December 01, 2020, 02:49:04 PM
Even some reviews from this year find little efficacy with widespread usage of cloth masking, e.g.: https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is an explicitly political anti-universal healthcare lobbying group that has previously supported research claiming HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that vaccines cause autism.
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In general, it's tough to find significant correlations between any measured mandated NPI and growth rate in cases, which you can play with here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/government-response-stringency-index-vs-biweekly-change-in-confirmed-covid-19-cases?time=2020-11-30..latest
It's disingenuous to correlate mandated NPI and growth rate in cases across countries that have such different cultural associations with mask-wearing and public health. In Japan, for instance, the government did astonishingly little, but there has been a culture of mask-wearing when you have a cold for decades, so people wore masks without government interference.
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I don't understand the inclination to pretend that THE SCIENCE is so ironclad either: before this year, it was highly debated whether for both in medical settings, and in population settings, widespread use could work to stop the spread of disease.
This is demonstrably false. This year THE SCIENCE has significantly more incentive to study the effects of mask-wearing at population levels, thus leading to more conclusive studies. But, there are numerous peer-reviewed studies from the past decade supporting the use of masks in healthcare workers and community health contexts:
In 2013:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24229526/
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Results: The median-fit factor of the homemade masks was one-half that of the surgical masks. Both masks significantly reduced the number of microorganisms expelled by volunteers, although the surgical mask was 3 times more effective in blocking transmission than the homemade mask.A study in 2014 found that the reason face-masks didn't work to contain influenza in the past is because NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WORE THEM.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4293989/
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Outside the hospital environment, the effectiveness of facemasks in containing the spread of airborne diseases in the general population has been diminished largely due to improper use and lack of user compliance... Another Australian study found that while adherence to mask-wearing significantly reduced the risk for influenza-like infections, less than 50% of the participants in their study wore facemasks regularly.A study in 2015 summarized previous studies, showing mask usage is useful in both healthcare and community settings:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25858901/
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Several randomised clinical trials of facemasks have been conducted in community and healthcare settings, using widely varying interventions, including mixed interventions (such as masks and handwashing), and diverse outcomes. Of the nine trials of facemasks identified in community settings, in all but one, facemasks were used for respiratory protection of well people. They found that facemasks and facemasks plus hand hygiene may prevent infection in community settings, subject to early use and compliance.More in 2010:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20092668/
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There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission.In healthcare settings in 2014:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4294054/
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For a novel respiratory virus that could potentially cause severe disease with reports of transmission to healthcare workers, a good and cost-effective way to prevent its transmission in the healthcare setting is through barrier precautions, which include the use of gloves, gowns and masks.
The debate, to the extent which it existed, has always been about which masks block against specific strains of various diseases, not whether masks are generally useful. Masks have been known to be useful for a century.
And then this year, looking at peer-reviewed scientifically backed health journals specifically studying the 2019-coronavirus, there is ample evidence that masks are important tools for controlling this pandemic:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32917603/
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We have demonstrated a simple optical measurement method to evaluate the efficacy of masks to reduce the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech. In proof-of-principle studies, we compared a variety of commonly available mask types and observed that some mask types approach the performance of standard surgical masks, while some mask alternatives, such as neck gaiters or bandanas, offer very little protection.https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20207241v3
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An N95 respirator blocked 99% of the cough aerosol, a medical grade procedure mask blocked 59%, a 3-ply cotton cloth face mask blocked 51%, and a polyester neck gaiter blocked 47% as a single layer and 60% when folded into a double layer. In contrast, the face shield blocked 2% of the cough aerosol. Our results suggest that face masks and neck gaiters are preferable to face shields as source control devices for cough aerosols.https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.11.20145086v1
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Whether manikin or human, wearing a face covering decreased the number of projected droplets by >1000-fold. We estimated that a person standing 2m from someone coughing without a mask is exposed to over 1000 times more respiratory droplets than from someone standing 5 cm away wearing a basic single layer mask. Our results indicate that face coverings show consistent efficacy at blocking respiratory droplets.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32624649/
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We use qualitative visualizations of emulated coughs and sneezes to examine how material- and design-choices impact the extent to which droplet-laden respiratory jets are blocked. Loosely folded face masks and bandana-style coverings provide minimal stopping-capability for the smallest aerosolized respiratory droplets. Well-fitted homemade masks with multiple layers of quilting fabric, and off-the-shelf cone style masks, proved to be the most effective in reducing droplet dispersal. These masks were able to curtail the speed and range of the respiratory jets significantly, albeit with some leakage through the mask material and from small gaps along the edges.And even in studies specifically acknowledging that there are many flaws in mask studies, the conclusion is evident:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
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Nevertheless, most scientists are confident that they can say something prescriptive about wearing masks. It’s not the only solution, says Gandhi, “but I think it is a profoundly important pillar of pandemic control”. As Digard puts it: “Masks work, but they are not infallible. And, therefore, keep your distance.”
And in peer-reviewed journals, evidence also shows wearing masks has also led to decreasing case-counts:
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_campaign=MEDIA+ADVISORY%3A+Wehby+FT+AOP+6-11-20&utm_content=From+Health+Affairs%3A++Mask+Use+Could+Prevent+200%2C000%2B+US+COVID-19+Cases&stream=top&
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Mandating face mask use in public is associated with a decline in the daily COVID-19 growth rate by 0.9, 1.1, 1.4, 1.7, and 2.0 percentage points in 1–5, 6–10, 11–15, 16–20, and 21 or more days after state face mask orders were signed, respectively. Estimates suggest that as a result of the implementation of these mandates, more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases were averted by May 22, 2020. The findings suggest that requiring face mask use in public could help in mitigating the spread of COVID-19.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6940e3.htm
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The number of COVID-19 cases stabilized and began to decrease approximately 2 weeks after local officials began mandating mask wearing (throughout several counties and cities) and enhanced sanitation practices.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
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Masks are an important intervention for mitigating the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (1–6), and countywide mask mandates appear to have contributed to the mitigation of COVID-19 spread in Kansas counties that had them in place. Community-level mitigation strategies emphasizing use of masks, physical distancing, staying at home when ill, and enhanced hygiene practices can help reduce the transmission of SARS-CoV-2.
The CDC agrees:
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Experimental and epidemiological data support community masking to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The prevention benefit of masking is derived from the combination of source control and personal protection for the mask wearer. The relationship between source control and personal protection is likely complementary and possibly synergistic14, so that individual benefit increases with increasing community mask use.The WHO agrees:
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Masks are a key measure to suppress transmission and save lives.
Masks should be used as part of a comprehensive ‘Do it all!’ approach including physical distancing, avoiding crowded, closed and close-contact settings, good ventilation, cleaning hands, covering sneezes and coughs, and more.
Depending on the type, masks can be used for either protection of healthy persons or to prevent onward transmission.
Masks help. Masks alone are not a cure-all. Keeping case counts down until a vaccine is ready by wearing masks regularly, maintaining social distancing when practical, and minimizing indoor contacts with people outside your household will help Quinnen Williams to be able to play in front of a full stadium in 2021.
Also MB - I was a line cook for over seven years until September when I finally finished up my pre-reqs in order to start my doctoral-level healthcare degree full time. No need to pee on food service workers by implying we can't understand science.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 02:56:18 PM
Thanks a lot, MB.
Anytime kiddo.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 02:58:34 PM
Also MB - I was a line cook for over seven years until September when I finally finished up my pre-reqs in order to start my doctoral-level healthcare degree full time. No need to pee on food service workers by implying we can't understand science.
It wasn't meant to be a blanket statement, but i apologize if you took it the wrong way. Food service folks have been amazing during the pandemic.
Obviously science wasn't a pre-req to deliver pizzas....was basically the point i was trying to get across. Since science clearly evaded IS when he was growing up.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2020, 03:03:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 03:04:18 PM
If only we had a mod in here to move all the off-topic stuff to any thread other than the one about our best young player and most positive part of the season.
Cut backs, man. We all had to sacrifice during the pandemic. Put a mask on.
EDIT: FYI... The most positive part of the season won't happen until Black Monday.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 03:10:42 PM
I'm not here to deliver witty comebacks. The hope was to educate non-believing turnips like yourself, so that someday society can return to normal.
Clearly...that's not gonna happen anytime soon. And the blame is squarely on people like yourself.
Always fun when you tell other people to educate themselves.
Yeah, the blame can't be on politicians who set terrible policy and don't follow their own orders. It has to be people who dispute the almighty groupthink. Cuomo killed more people than anyone by sending infected patients into nursing homes, so pardon me if I don't listen to him or Murphy or fake Pat Riley in CA. No thanks.
If only we had a mod in here to move all the off-topic stuff to any thread other than the one about our best young player and most positive part of the season.
MB is a mod and he started all this excrement because he can't tolerate someone with a different view than his own. I say he shouldn't be a mod and we change his username to Coach Gase.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 03:14:45 PM
Always fun when you tell other people to educate themselves.
Yeah, the blame can't be on politicians who set terrible policy and don't follow their own orders. It has to be people who dispute the almighty groupthink. Cuomo killed more people than anyone by sending infected patients into nursing homes, so pardon me if I don't listen to him or Murphy or fake Pat Riley in CA. No thanks.
you are a freaking idiot
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MB is a mod and he started all this excrement because he can't tolerate someone with a different view than his own. I say he shouldn't be a mod and we change his username to Coach Gase.
No..you continued on with it because you have a problem with being wrong. I don't need you spreading false bullshit on this board. Like Andrew Ryan said, it's not a matter of opinion.
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2020, 03:37:32 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2020, 03:43:46 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 03:50:40 PM
Look I hate masks, is there anyone that actually likes wearing one? For freak sake just wear it until the virus abates for whatever reason. Short of Doc here I wear a mask way more than any of you so STFU already.
We all wear them, I just happen to think they are pointless, like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. For whatever reason MB can't stand the fact that I have a different opinion than him, so freak him, I don't care.
The fix is a vaccine, which is on the way. It's not shutting down businesses, destroying the economy, hiding at home and wearing underwear or bandannas on your face.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Look I hate masks, is there anyone that actually likes wearing one? For freak sake just wear it until the virus abates for whatever reason. Short of Doc here I wear a mask way more than any of you so STFU already.
Nobody likes to wear one. I know I hate it.
But it's the retards that don't understand the "short term pain" aspect...and continue to prolong us having to wear one is what's seriously irritating. Just wear it, and let's get the freak out of this pandemic.
IS needs to start listening to health professionals and stop blaming politicians.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 01, 2020, 03:54:28 PM
Nobody likes to wear one. I know I hate it.
But it's the retards that don't understand the "short term pain" aspect...and continue to prolong us having to wear one is what's seriously irritating. Just wear it, and let's the freak out of this pandemic.
IS needs to start listening to health professionals and stop blaming politicians.
At what point did I ever say I don't wear them, dummy? Health professionals have all different opinions, by the way, which is the nature of, you know, science.
And you can directly attribute a majority of the deaths in NY directly to #KillerCuomo for sending patients into nursing homes after Trump sent him a navy ship and set up a hospital at Javits.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 03:55:50 PM
We all wear them, I just happen to think they are pointless, like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. For whatever reason MB can't stand the fact that I have a different opinion than him, so freak him, I don't care.
The fix is a vaccine, which is on the way. It's not shutting down businesses, destroying the economy, hiding at home and wearing underwear or bandannas on your face.
They're not pointless. Stop cherrypicking medical advice. Those same people that are bringing you the vaccine you're waiting for are the same people telling you that masks are essential during this pandemic.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 03:57:41 PM
At what point did I ever say I don't wear them, dummy? Health professionals have all different opinions, by the way, which is the nature of, you know, science.
And you can directly attribute a majority of the deaths in NY directly to #KillerCuomo for sending patients into nursing homes after Trump sent him a navy ship and set up a hospital at Javits.
You don't know excrement....which you clearly have demonstrated on multiple levels here
lol Cuomo. DON'T WEAR MASK, POLITICIAN BAD
jesus christ
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
You don't know excrement....which you clearly have demonstrated on multiple levels here
lol Cuomo. DON'T WEAR MASK, POLITICIAN BAD
jesus christ
He's right about Cuomo sending back sick patients to nursing homes. It was a patently stupid move. Cuomo is so condescending we will probably never get the answer as to why this move happened..
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 04:07:28 PM
He's right about Cuomo sending in sick patients to nursing homes. It was a patently stupid move.
what does that have to do with wearing a mask?
The premier of my Province cut health care considerably over the last few years here....basically closed 3 hospitals. Very dumb move, especially now. Does that mean i shouldn't wear a mask because he was responsible for our Chief Health Officer mandating mask usage in public spaces?
SORRY GAIZ...CAN'T WEAR A MASK BECAUSE PALLISTER CUT HEALTH CARE RESOURCES. HE'S OBVIOUSLY WRONG ABOUT MASKS DAAAAAHHHHHH
What a stupid stance to take
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2020, 04:12:45 PM
what does that have to do with wearing a mask?
The premier of my Province cut health care considerably over the last few years here....basically closed 3 hospitals. Very dumb move, especially now. Does that mean i shouldn't wear a mask because he was responsible for our Chief Health Officer mandating mask usage in public spaces?
SORRY GAIZ...CAN'T WEAR A MASK BECAUSE PALLISTER CUT HEALTH CARE RESOURCES. HE'S OBVIOUSLY WRONG ABOUT MASKS DAAAAAHHHHHH
What a stupid stance to take
I have no idea there, you have to ask him what the point was.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 01, 2020, 04:38:04 PM
They're not pointless. Stop cherrypicking medical advice. Those same people that are bringing you the vaccine you're waiting for are the same people telling you that masks are essential during this pandemic.
He's not cherrypicking excrement, and as usual you're acting like a complete clown when being challenged on anything remotely counter to your sociopolitical view. Walk back that stupid comment about a job the same way you try to either minimize or walk any of the ugly (sometimes racist) excrement that comes out of your mouth whenever Grand Poobah MB points the finger to let the other body snatchers know that someone isn't one of them.
*Chefs kiss*
Post by: IATA on December 01, 2020, 04:44:37 PM
He's not cherrypicking excrement, and as usual you're acting like a complete clown when being challenged on anything remotely counter to your sociopolitical view. Walk back that stupid comment about a job the same way you try to either minimize or walk any of the ugly (sometimes racist) excrement that comes out of your mouth whenever Grand Poobah MB points the finger to let the other body snatchers know that someone isn't one of them.
*Chefs kiss*
Amazing contribution. You've totally convinced me with this sound argument.
Do you have anything that actually supports this viewpoint(the mask, we know mb is a queynte)? I'd love to read it.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 01, 2020, 05:06:42 PM
Amazing contribution. You've totally convinced me with this sound argument.
Do you have anything that actually supports this viewpoint(the mask, we know mb is a queynte)? I'd love to read it.
Sent from fire adam gase.
I'm not looking to make a sound argument, nor impress anyone least of all you. The idea that there isn't significant questions as to the efficacy of masks to the point that any heretic should have extremely personal excrement said to them is ridiculous.
And I'm mask agnostic to the point that I wear the freaking thing, but JFC, the ridiculousness of going after someones freaking job on a message board.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
I'm not looking to make a sound argument, nor impress anyone least of all you. The idea that there isn't significant questions as to the efficacy of masks to the point that any heretic should have extremely personal excrement said to them is ridiculous.
And I'm mask agnostic to the point that I wear the freaking thing, but JFC, the ridiculousness of going after someones freaking job on a message board.
He does have a job besides delivering pizza.
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 05:22:12 PM
He's not cherrypicking excrement, and as usual you're acting like a complete clown when being challenged on anything remotely counter to your sociopolitical view. Walk back that stupid comment about a job the same way you try to either minimize or walk any of the ugly (sometimes racist) excrement that comes out of your mouth whenever Grand Poobah MB points the finger to let the other body snatchers know that someone isn't one of them.
*Chefs kiss*
Still butthurt eh...I promise, it won't last.
Post by: delavan on December 02, 2020, 10:45:08 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 02, 2020, 10:45:40 AM
January
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February
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Quarantine
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December
Very cool very fun year
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 02, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
He does have a job besides delivering pizza.
I kind of thought everyone knows this, but worth repeating, I guess, thanks.
Typical of an arrogant lib though, to look down his nose at someone who works. I'm sure if I was a crackhead on welfare they'd have a million reasons why it's not my fault. And for the record, I never said I don't wear a mask. I made the comment "mask nazis" a week or so back and the thought police couldn't stand it. Now we know why, it hit too close to home. If they worked so well we wouldn't be having a second wave, would we? China isn't having a second wave, isn't that odd?
Also, MB probably isn't qualified to be a mod, nothing indicates to me that he is. #FireMBGreen
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 12:03:12 PM
I kind of thought everyone knows this, but worth repeating, I guess, thanks.You are so misinformed on so many levels.
Typical of an arrogant lib though, to look down his nose at someone who works. I'm sure if I was a crackhead on welfare they'd have a million reasons why it's not my fault. And for the record, I never said I don't wear a mask. I made the comment "mask nazis" a week or so back and the thought police couldn't stand it. Now we know why, it hit too close to home. If they worked so well we wouldn't be having a second wave, would we? China isn't having a second wave, isn't that odd?
Also, MB probably isn't qualified to be a mod, nothing indicates to me that he is. #FireMBGreen
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 02, 2020, 12:17:31 PM
You are so misinformed on so many levels.
Good answer.
#FireMBGreen
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
Good answer.
#FireMBGreen
I'm not doing this again today. Move on or GTFO.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 02, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
I'm not doing this again today. Move on or GTFO.
freak off bro. This is a fight you picked. Behave better, Mr Moderator.
#FireMBGreen
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
freak off bro. This is a fight you picked. Behave better, Mr Moderator.
#FireMBGreen
have a nice vacation.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
have a nice vacation.
Come on MB you made the bed. Banning him is Pedo/Semen level of faggotry.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 12:50:54 PM
Come on MB you made the bed. Banning him is Pedo/Semen level of faggotry.
he made his choice
Post by: Heismanberg on December 02, 2020, 01:12:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 02, 2020, 01:35:32 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
#FirePaulMaurice
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 03:15:19 PM
#FireMBGreenI'd fire myself if it meant Maurice gets canned
#FirePaulMaurice
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2020, 05:27:38 PM
have a nice vacation.
You really are pathetic.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
You really are pathetic.
perhaps you should take your talents over to parler to be with your kind.
Post by: Badger on December 02, 2020, 05:55:54 PM
That's racist
perhaps you should take your talents over to parler to be with your kind.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 06:06:48 PM
That's racist
since when is "triggered little MAGA faggots" considered a race?
Post by: Badger on December 02, 2020, 06:10:27 PM
since when is "triggered little MAGA faggots" considered a race?According to my trans atheist islamunist professor of Critical Race Theory at Saul Alinsky University in (((Chicago))).
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2020, 06:13:43 PM
since when is "triggered little MAGA faggots" considered a race?
There it is! A homophobic epithet from the fathead when he gets all upset. Why am I not surprised considering last time it was a racist comment. freaking demented bigot.
The whole Parler "controversy" (fwiw, it sucks, I don't know why Bongino couldn't have paid a better developer) is SO predictable by the way.
Its amazing how a completely useless retard like yourself can say something like, "lol facebook is a private company go somewhere else" (which is ironic in one sense given the hatred of free markets that about 8 out of 10 making that comment have, on top of it not even being directly applicable in this case) in one breath and then of course attack Parler for being the echo chamber that your ilk wanted. Bonus points because of course its somehow racist. How typical.
Anyway stupid, carry on banning people when they push back after you lob extremely personal comments like the little freaking bitch who can dish it out but can't take it like you are.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
There it is! A homophobic epithet from the fathead when he gets all upset. Why am I not surprised considering last time it was a racist comment. freaking demented bigot.
The whole Parler "controversy" (fwiw, it sucks, I don't know why Bongino couldn't have paid a better developer) is SO predictable by the way.
Its amazing how a completely useless retard like yourself can say something like, "lol facebook is a private company go somewhere else" (which is ironic in one sense given the hatred of free markets that about 8 out of 10 making that comment have, on top of it not even being directly applicable in this case) in one breath and then of course attack Parler for being the echo chamber that your ilk wanted. Bonus points because of course its somehow racist. How typical.
Anyway stupid, carry on banning people when they push back after you lob extremely personal comments like the little freaking bitch who can dish it out but can't take it like you are.
You're an angry little dwarf tonight. Grrrrr. lol
Post by: IATA on December 02, 2020, 06:24:58 PM
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: reuben on December 02, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
There it is! A homophobic epithet from the fathead when he gets all upset. Why am I not surprised considering last time it was a racist comment. freaking demented bigot.
The whole Parler "controversy" (fwiw, it sucks, I don't know why Bongino couldn't have paid a better developer) is SO predictable by the way.
Its amazing how a completely useless retard like yourself can say something like, "lol facebook is a private company go somewhere else" (which is ironic in one sense given the hatred of free markets that about 8 out of 10 making that comment have, on top of it not even being directly applicable in this case) in one breath and then of course attack Parler for being the echo chamber that your ilk wanted. Bonus points because of course its somehow racist. How typical.
Anyway stupid, carry on banning people when they push back after you lob extremely personal comments like the little freaking bitch who can dish it out but can't take it like you are.
Dropping "retard" in a post mewling about racist and homophobic rhetoric. Pure mj.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 02, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
Dropping "retard" in a post mewling about racist and homophobic rhetoric. Pure mj.
STOP THE GROUPTHINK!!!
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2020, 07:41:08 PM
You're an angry little dwarf tonight. Grrrrr. lol
Such an unbelievable comment given your behavior over the last couple of pages on this thread.
Dropping "retard" in a post mewling about racist and homophobic rhetoric. Pure mj.
Who the freak are you?
Nice equivalence by the way. It's a word I should've avoided in hindsight but freaking aye stretch harder to try and make a point.
Post by: IATA on December 02, 2020, 07:43:56 PM
Such an unbelievable comment given your behavior over the last couple of pages on this thread.Hello.
Who the freak are you?
Nice equivalence by the way. It's a word I should've avoided in hindsight but freaking aye stretch harder to try and make a point.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 07:45:32 PM
Such an unbelievable comment given your behavior over the last couple of pages on this thread.
How did you survive such a devastating blow to your mental state? Your intestinal fortitude is remarkable.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2020, 08:33:25 PM
I'm firmly on the side of MB and Cato in the mask debate, but Seafood getting banned is ridiculous, especially when MB picked the fight himself. This board has like 15 posters, why are we banning people for no reason.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 08:39:04 PM
I'm just glad you guys poisoned this thread with this nonsense instead of Quinnen. Leave Quinnen alone.I lifted the ban 2 hours ago...he needed a timeout
I'm firmly on the side of MB and Cato in the mask debate, but Seafood getting banned is ridiculous, especially when MB picked the fight himself. This board has like 15 posters, why are we banning people for no reason.
And I didn't pick any fights.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2020, 09:05:14 PM
STOP THE GROUPTHINK!!!
I liked you better when you were getting accused of being a right-wing radical, too bad it actually did force you to adjust your little enlightened centrist shtick. Sad!
Hello.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Hey, how you doing?
I lifted the ban 2 hours ago...he needed a timeout
And I didn't pick any fights.
No, you didn't pick a fight, you only levied an extremely personal insult at someone and then acted in a typical fashion when you got it back.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
No, you didn't pick a fight, you only levied an extremely personal insult at someone and then acted in a typical fashion when you got it back.
No i didnt
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 02, 2020, 09:42:29 PM
I liked you better when you were getting accused of being a right-wing radical, too bad it actually did force you to adjust your little enlightened centrist shtick. Sad!
Ive never adjusted my view that you are a schmuck
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2020, 10:03:25 PM
No i didnt
You're either trolling, or the just absolute lack of awareness of insulting someone based on their second occupation is clearly lost on you which is a pretty steep level of stupidity.
Ive never adjusted my view that you are a schmuck
It's been said
Post by: ons on December 02, 2020, 10:30:55 PM
Thanks a lot, MB.
Upon rereading my post:
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Sorry to have cluttered up the Quinnen thread.
It wasn't meant to be a blanket statement, but i apologize if you took it the wrong way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F784yABSeLo&feature=youtu.be&t=14
Post by: Johnny English on December 02, 2020, 10:41:05 PM
Post by: ons on December 02, 2020, 10:49:58 PM
The fix is a vaccine, which is on the way. It's not shutting down businesses, destroying the economy, hiding at home and wearing underwear or bandannas on your face.
Hiding at home would have saved a few hundred thousand American lives. There was no need for the economy to be destroyed if 1) people wore masks regularly when socializing/spending time with people and 2) federal government provided a stimulus that lasted until there was a vaccine.
This was a preventable problem that caused mass death, and every politician who was slow to shut things down, minimized the importance of mask-wearing/social distancing, and negotiated in bad faith regarding a federal stimulus bill is responsible.
The US hit a new record high in hospitalizations today even as hospitals are becoming more stringent about taking only the highest-need coronavirus cases. Over 5,000 official coronavirus deaths yesterday and today makes it the deadliest two day total so far.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2020, 10:50:51 PM
This was a preventable problem that caused mass death, and every politician who was slow to shut things down, minimized the importance of mask-wearing/social distancing, and negotiated in bad faith regarding a federal stimulus bill is responsible.
you forgot sent the elderly to their deaths in covid hotspots.
Post by: ons on December 02, 2020, 11:06:15 PM
you forgot sent the elderly to their deaths in covid hotspots.
Absolutely, that too. Cuomo's actions in that regard are unconscionable and unforgivable.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2020, 11:23:57 PM
I'm just glad you guys poisoned this thread with this nonsense instead of Quinnen. Leave Quinnen alone.
I'm firmly on the side of MB and Cato in the mask debate, but Seafood getting banned is ridiculous, especially when MB picked the fight himself. This board has like 15 posters, why are we banning people for no reason.
completely agree with the ban part it was horseshit but you're very generous at 15.
Post by: reuben on December 02, 2020, 11:58:23 PM
Post by: delavan on December 03, 2020, 07:40:41 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on December 03, 2020, 07:55:50 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2020, 07:59:05 AM
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
Absolutely, that too. Cuomo's actions in that regard are unconscionable and unforgivable.Remember, bad outcomes are always the result of bad individual choices, never systemic failure!
Post by: IATA on December 03, 2020, 10:23:24 AM
Hey, how you doing?
good, how about you? hows work?
Post by: IATA on December 03, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
aids
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 03, 2020, 10:24:20 AM
i dont know wht the freak even happened in here tbh.This thread was sacrificed for the sake of Quinnen Williams.
aids
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 11:06:28 AM
i dont know wht the freak even happened in here tbh.troypizzafire.gif
aids
Post by: mj2sexay on December 03, 2020, 11:46:57 AM
good, how about you? hows work?
Am I stupid as excrement for still giving you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't a dig?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 03, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
I lifted the ban 2 hours ago...he needed a timeout
And I didn't pick any fights.
As I was saying, this message board mod gig is way over your head. You're clearly unqualified.
#FireMBGreen
Hiding at home would have saved a few hundred thousand American lives. There was no need for the economy to be destroyed if 1) people wore masks regularly when socializing/spending time with people and 2) federal government provided a stimulus that lasted until there was a vaccine.
This was a preventable problem that caused mass death, and every politician who was slow to shut things down, minimized the importance of mask-wearing/social distancing, and negotiated in bad faith regarding a federal stimulus bill is responsible.
The US hit a new record high in hospitalizations today even as hospitals are becoming more stringent about taking only the highest-need coronavirus cases. Over 5,000 official coronavirus deaths yesterday and today makes it the deadliest two day total so far.
Can't have it both ways. Either hiding at home (which most people had to do) would have worked (it didn't) or we didn't need to crash the economy. It didn't work, we know more now than we did in the spring as far as who is most at risk, and the survival rate is 99.9%. Also, it's a world wide problem created by China, our federal government can't balance their own budget, I don't know how you think they are supposed to support over 300 million people.
I'm firmly on the side of MB and Cato in the mask debate, but Seafood getting banned is ridiculous, especially when MB picked the fight himself. This board has like 15 posters, why are we banning people for no reason.
To be clear, I'm not some anti mask militant. I was probably among the first to start using them because I have a (side) job delivering food and I coach my daughter's softball team. So I wasn't about to have our restaurant shut down or kids thrown off the field over a mask because some crybaby like MB reports us while delivering dinner to his fat derriere while he's home clamoring for grown men to be fired from their jobs. I even ordered a 3-pack of Jets masks this summer to wear on game days, which has been oddly fitting.
That said, I stand by my "mask nazis" comment, even more so now. We've created a culture of busy bodies who think it's their job to tell everyone else how to live. If someone says or does something you don't like and it upsets you, it doesn't mean they are dangerous and need to be silenced. It means you're a hoo-ha and need to mind your own freaking business.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
As I was saying, this message board mod gig is way over your head. You're clearly unqualified.I'm past this...
#FireMBGreen
Can't have it both ways. Either hiding at home (which most people had to do) would have worked (it didn't) or we didn't need to crash the economy. It didn't work, we know more now than we did in the spring as far as who is most at risk, and the survival rate is 99.9%. Also, it's a world wide problem created by China, our federal government can't balance their own budget, I don't know how you think they are supposed to support over 300 million people.
To be clear, I'm not some anti mask militant. I was probably among the first to start using them because I have a (side) job delivering food and I coach my daughter's softball team. So I wasn't about to have our restaurant shut down or kids thrown off the field over a mask because some crybaby like MB reports us while delivering dinner to his fat derriere while he's home clamoring for grown men to be fired from their jobs. I even ordered a 3-pack of Jets masks this summer to wear on game days, which has been oddly fitting.
That said, I stand by my "mask nazis" comment, even more so now. We've created a culture of busy bodies who think it's their job to tell everyone else how to live. If someone says or does something you don't like and it upsets you, it doesn't mean they are dangerous and need to be silenced. It means you're a hoo-ha and need to mind your own freaking business.
I built the technical infrastructure that runs this site, that's why I'm an admin here.
If you don't like it...you can leave anytime. If you're going to continue to be an "i must respond" POS, then ill help you out the door.
Enough is enough.
Post by: IATA on December 03, 2020, 12:38:55 PM
Am I stupid as excrement for still giving you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't a dig?While I understand your trepidation, I'm being serious.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
@kylegriffin1
· 1h
Dr. Fauci says he's staying on in the new Biden administration.
*golf clap*
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 03, 2020, 01:03:07 PM
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 01:09:49 PM
Also, it's a world wide problem created by China, our federal government can't balance their own budget, I don't know how you think they are supposed to support over 300 million people.
A lot to unpack here
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 03, 2020, 01:11:00 PM
A lot to unpack here
Go for it.
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 01:11:32 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1334489591986991112?s=19
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 01:12:40 PM
Go for it.Countries don't create viruses and federal budgets of sovereign nations with fiat currency don't require balancing, they literally don't.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 03, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 03, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
While I understand your trepidation, I'm being serious.
Sent from fire adam gase.
It's appreciated. I've been forced into taking p/t matrimonial work and working in retail until I can find something more stable-but with a second shutdown of the courts on the horizon i think i'm fucked until february. How's your promotion going, I hope thus far it has been seamless and productive.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 03, 2020, 10:10:15 PM
It's appreciated. I've been forced into taking p/t matrimonial work and working in retail until I can find something more stable-but with a second shutdown of the courts on the horizon i think i'm fucked until february. How's your promotion going, I hope thus far it has been seamless and productive.
Wow this is like the marriage of Carville and Matilin, who would have thunk it.
What's next? MB is going to blow IS.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2020, 06:59:10 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
https://twitter.com/firenzemike/status/1334887072159641603?s=21
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 04, 2020, 02:00:13 PM
Misinformation is at the heart of why people are anti-mask, anti-vax, or take the pandemic too lightly.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2020, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 06:37:15 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Now, things are gonna get serious. We'll have it cured in 3 weeks.
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2020, 06:47:02 PM
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/12/07/agents-raid-home-fired-florida-data-scientist-who-built-covid-19-dashboard-rebekah-jones/6482817002/
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2020, 06:47:09 PM
Up to 249,000 doses in total will be shipped this month, given approval from Health Canada. #cdnpoli #covid19canada https://t.co/16s9xog1r5
MB will get his in 2052.
Post by: reuben on December 08, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 08, 2020, 09:24:34 PM
1) Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2) Antietam - 3,600
3) 9/11 - 2,977
4) Last Thursday - 2,861
5) Last Wednesday - 2,762
6) Last Tuesday - 2,461
7) Last Friday - 2,439
8 Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2020, 09:25:46 PM
Deadliest days in US historyQuoting for unintentional 8)
1) Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2) Antietam - 3,600
3) 9/11 - 2,977
4) Last Thursday - 2,861
5) Last Wednesday - 2,762
6) Last Tuesday - 2,461
7) Last Friday - 2,439
8) Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2020, 07:58:36 AM
They've begun scheduling appointments to start receiving the vaccine as of this coming Monday for select people at my job But as of right now at least, you have to fill out all this paperwork waivers and attestations and excrement it's a little crazy. You also have to agree to let the CDC do certain follow up testing/exams on you in advance.
With the reported severe reactions (short term only with no long term effects) being around 10-15% I find it hard to imagine there not being hysteria around the vaccine (ie one report of your arm getting a lump the size of a goose egg afterwards) (and tbe vaccine itself suggesting you may have to miss work for several days after receiving it)
Obviously the vaccine itself is paramount and essential. But there's absolutely no freaking way whatsoever they end up getting close to the 60% threshold for herd immunity. Especially in people who aren't in the high risk groups, which is a large chunk of the population.
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2020, 08:08:38 AM
Interesting thing about the vaccine is people are terrified about taking it, and thats before the publics reporting of side effects comes out.
They've begun scheduling appointments to start receiving the vaccine as of this coming Monday for select people at my job But as of right now at least, you have to fill out all this paperwork waivers and attestations and excrement it's a little crazy. You also have to agree to let the CDC do certain follow up testing/exams on you in advance.
With the reported severe reactions (short term only with no long term effects) being around 10-15% I find it hard to imagine there not being hysteria around the vaccine (ie one report of your arm getting a lump the size of a goose egg afterwards) (and tbe vaccine itself suggesting you may have to miss work for several days after receiving it)
Obviously the vaccine itself is paramount and essential. But there's absolutely no freaking way whatsoever they end up getting close to the 60% threshold for herd immunity. Especially in people who aren't in the high risk groups, which is a large chunk of the population.
just rub some dirt on it, you'll be fine. Don't be a hoo-ha.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2020, 08:12:37 AM
just rub some dirt on it, you'll be fine. Don't be a hoo-ha.
excrement I've seen enough covid lung transplants and ECMOs
Won't take much convincing to get me to take it
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2020, 08:17:35 AM
excrement I've seen enough covid lung transplants and ECMOs
Won't take much convincing to get me to take it
Jesus, i bet. I'm ready to pull a Costanza to get to the front of the line.
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Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
Obviously the vaccine itself is paramount and essential. But there's absolutely no freaking way whatsoever they end up getting close to the 60% threshold for herd immunity. Especially in people who aren't in the high risk groups, which is a large chunk of the population.
Are there significant sections of the population who won't be able to take it for medical reasons? I know the reason we're always told to get the flu shot is to protect those people who can't, but I haven't heard much about whether the covid vaccine has similar restrictions.
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2020, 08:35:24 AM
Are there significant sections of the population who won't be able to take it for medical reasons? I know the reason we're always told to get the flu shot is to protect those people who can't, but I haven't heard much about whether the covid vaccine has similar restrictions.
There's been news releases coming out stating that averse allergic reactions could happen.
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
There's been news releases coming out stating that averse allergic reactions could happen.
OK, but presumably we don't know if someone's going to have an allergic reaction until they take it?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 09, 2020, 08:59:37 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2020, 09:05:26 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 09, 2020, 09:59:00 AM
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"As is common with new vaccines the MHRA [Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency] have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely yesterday," said Stephen Powis, the national medical director for NHS England, in a statement. "Both are recovering well."
Seems like a precautionary message and not much more. If you can afford to wait it out a bit and have a history of adverse reactions, give it a couple of weeks.
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2020, 10:01:39 AM
Seems like a precautionary message and not much more. If you can afford to wait it out a bit and have a history of adverse reactions, give it a couple of weeks.
I think that that message in isolation is fairly useless. If they adminstered 10,000 shots and had 2 reactions then it's not a big deal. If they administered 10 shots then it might be.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 09, 2020, 10:12:25 AM
I think that that message in isolation is fairly useless. If they adminstered 10,000 shots and had 2 reactions then it's not a big deal. If they administered 10 shots then it might be.
I didn't post the whole article, but it did mention there were thousands of shots administered yesterday and just the two reported significant reactions.
Again, if you have a history of adverse reactions to vaccines or other allergies it's probably prudent to wait a couple of weeks and see how things play out--assuming you're in a position to do so (comfortably working remote, no one in your home at-risk, etc.)
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2020, 10:19:53 AM
I didn't post the whole article, but it did mention there were thousands of shots administered yesterday and just the two reported significant reactions.
Again, if you have a history of adverse reactions to vaccines or other allergies it's probably prudent to wait a couple of weeks and see how things play out--assuming you're in a position to do so (comfortably working remote, no one in your home at-risk, etc.)
All eminently sensible. My starting point for this was to try and understand whether the risk of reaction was sufficiently low as to allow pretty much anyone to take it with very limited exceptions, such that any remaining infections would primarily impact those ignorant enough to refuse it out of personal delusion. I guess it's probably too early to know the answer to that.
In other vaccine news, Health Canada approved the Pfizer vaccine this morning and we're expecting to start sticking needles in people early next week. Getting vaccinated is going to be like trying to buy a PS5 for the next little while.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 09, 2020, 12:56:53 PM
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Please read this which will answer FAQs and debunk myths (no mRNA will not alter your DNA)
The FDA is likely going to approve the Pfizer Covid vaccine when they meet on December 10th. The Moderna vaccine will probably be approved shortly thereafter. This is an incredible feat of modern medicine, and our best chance to hopefully get our lives back to near normal relatively soon. However, it is new and it was done quickly, so understandably, people may be hesitant to get it; even people who vaccinate against all other diseases.
Will I be getting the vaccine? ABSOLUTELY.
But, it is a new vaccine technology and done in record time, so aren't I worried about its safety? Nope, not any more so than any other vaccine or other medical intervention.
Why? Let's start with how this vaccine works. This is an mRNA vaccine. Past vaccines typically use a live but weakened "attenuated" virus, or dead viral material "inactivated" virus, or a piece of the virus's protein or even a toxin produced by the virus. The Covid vaccine is very different. It contains mRNA (messenger genetic material) that encodes for the Covid spike protein. This causes your cells to then produce the Covid spike protein. In contrast, when you are sick with Covid, the virus hijacks your cell to produce many copies of the entire virus. Then it destroys the cell, busting it open to release its newly formed viral particles. When your cells release just the spike protein, it will stimulate your immune system to form antibodies to the Covid spike protein without you getting sick. There is no possibility of getting Covid from the vaccine. When your body is subsequently exposed to Covid, it will quickly recognize the spike protein and destroy it before it can make you sick. This was 95% effective in preventing Covid, which is an even better percentage than most other vaccines. However, you must take both doses (about 3-4 weeks apart).
Am I concerned about it being new? And previously untested? No, I'm not. This type of technology is not entirely new. It has been studied and used in cancer research. They have been making mRNA vaccines and studying them to specifically target proteins on tumor cells and train your immune system to then destroy the tumor. In this case, it is not a vaccine in the preventive sense, as it is targeted to a tumor that you already have. It is not currently widespread because it has to be custom made for each tumor. But, it has been "around the block" for a while now. The technology was also being studied for other Coronaviruses. It never came to fruition, because the diseases never reached pandemic proportions, and then the funding dried up. The mRNA does not enter the nucleus of the cell, and it does not affect your DNA, and therefore has no lasting impact on your cell.
Am I concerned about the speed with which it was developed? Weren't significant corners cut in order to get this out so quickly? No and no. What was cut out of the equation was mostly red tape, and what was added was technology and funding. We were given the genetic code by scientists in China to start vaccine production in January; before Covid was even documented to have reached our shores. From there, the vaccine was developed from the technology we had from the prior Coronavirus and cancer research, and was completed in March. Normally, there would be months of waiting for the FDA to even look at the work done prior to approving Phase 1 trials. Because of the urgent nature of this, it was essentially put on the top of the wait pile, which cut out months of waiting, but did not cut any corners. Between the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines (both mRNA, with a slightly different delivery system), they were tested in 37,000 people in Phase 3 (and an additional 37,000 received a placebo). That is on par with, if not better than the vaccines currently available.
Aren't I concerned that the FDA is about to approve it, and there may be side effects that haven't been seen yet? Nope on this one too. We know from decades of vaccine research, since you typically just get 1, 2 or 3 doses and then you are done with it, that nearly all side effects from vaccines occur in the first 6 weeks. Like other vaccines, minor side effects may occur(soreness at injection site, muscle aches, fever). Severe adverse reactions are extremely rare, and again, occur quickly if they are going to occur at all. As a healthy 50-something year old woman, my risk of dying from Covid is about 1 in 250 to 1 in a 1,000. That is not a rare event! And even if I don't die from it, I could have long term lung damage and other issues that affect my quality of life. Because vaccines are given to healthy people (unlike medications for treating a disease that is already present) they are held to a much higher standard for approval. My risk of having a significant adverse reaction from the Covid vaccine is minuscule in comparison to my risk with Covid. In fact, there have been no severe reactions to the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine to date.
For the rest of the population (outside of healthcare workers or those in nursing homes), who will likely be able to get the vaccine in February or March, there will be even more time passed and more people who have received the vaccine to be the "guinea pigs" here.
Anyone who is pregnant - it has not yet been tested in your group (although I do know that many pregnant front line health care workers are planning to take it). For those under 18 years old - it is also not yet tested. Moderna will be starting a trial shortly. Hopefully it will be approved by summer. But for everyone else, I highly recommend getting it as soon as you can; for you, for your loved ones, for those who cannot (perhaps because they are immunocompromised), for the many businesses that are on the verge of permanent shut down, and for kids to safely return to schools. I will be rolling up my sleeve for it as soon as it is offered.
If you'd like, please do feel free to cut and paste on your own social media sites. Sharing of information is so important to combating this pandemic. We have now surpassed 15 million documented Covid cases in our country (5 million of which were in the last 30 days) and over 2,000 people are dying per day.
I would like to credit the original MD who wrote this so eloquently but she does not want to be stalked by militant anti-vaxxers.
- Dr. Facebook, M.D.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2020, 05:00:32 PM
All eminently sensible. My starting point for this was to try and understand whether the risk of reaction was sufficiently low as to allow pretty much anyone to take it with very limited exceptions, such that any remaining infections would primarily impact those ignorant enough to refuse it out of personal delusion. I guess it's probably too early to know the answer to that.
In other vaccine news, Health Canada approved the Pfizer vaccine this morning and we're expecting to start sticking needles in people early next week. Getting vaccinated is going to be like trying to buy a PS5 for the next little while.
Yeah what I read about the allergic reactions was "they reccomend thst anyone with a significant history of allergic reactions should wait until more information comes out before getting it"
Aka if you're a hysterical little bitch don't get the vaccine because the world doesn't need you spreading mass hysteria
Post by: delavan on December 09, 2020, 06:40:04 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2020, 06:52:18 PM
Elections lasting more than 4 hours
How longs an election supposed to last?
Post by: delavan on December 09, 2020, 07:17:58 PM
How longs an election supposed to last?
Depends. I'd ask big tech..not that they'd give you a straight answer.
edit: dcm: don't read into the 'elections lasting more than 4 hours' crack as anything beyond word play (was in reference to a rona vaccine side effect).
Post by: dcm1602 on December 10, 2020, 01:53:01 PM
Depends. I'd ask big tech..not that they'd give you a straight answer.
edit: dcm: don't read into the 'elections lasting more than 4 hours' crack as anything beyond word play (was in reference to a rona vaccine side effect).
I just assumed it was autocorrect gone wrong
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2020, 09:12:42 AM
New Jersey getting skullfucked
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2020, 09:13:27 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2020, 09:19:15 AM
“If New Jersey was a country it would be the deadliest per capita for COVID on Earth.”Italian Seafood's fault
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 09:23:37 AM
He started having pain in his calf that moved up to his groin. The dude had blood clots in his legs as a long term side effect. If his wife wasn't a nurse, he said he would've just assumed he pulled something on his Peloton and taken some Ibuprofen.
The guy is 41 years old and has to take Eliquis.
All hype.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 15, 2020, 09:31:01 AM
A few weeks ago, a guy on my team at work was experiencing mild symptoms while working from home. He had bad headaches and loss of taste/smell. That's it though, nothing too crazy.
He started having pain in his calf that moved up to his groin. The dude had blood clots in his legs as a long term side effect. If his wife wasn't a nurse, he said he would've just assumed he pulled something on his Peloton and taken some Ibuprofen.
The guy is 41 years old and has to take Eliquis.
All hype.
This is all just your opinion.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 15, 2020, 07:55:07 PM
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 15, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
I'm sorry this happened to your family.
Post by: reuben on December 15, 2020, 08:25:34 PM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
That sucks Alio, sorry man.
Post by: reuben on December 15, 2020, 08:29:04 PM
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tom-cruise-yells-mission-impossible-7-crew-covid-19-guidelines-1234854675/ (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tom-cruise-yells-mission-impossible-7-crew-covid-19-guidelines-1234854675/)
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Tom Cruise expressed his frustration with crew members on the set of “Mission: Impossible 7” after he saw them breaking COVID-19 guidelines, two sources close to the production confirm to Variety.
As first reported by The Sun, after Cruise saw two crew members standing too close to one another in front of a computer screen, he told the crew: “If I see you do it again you’re freaking gone.”
“You can tell it to the people who are losing their freaking homes because our industry is shut down. It’s not going to put food on their table or pay for their college education. That’s what I sleep with every night – the future of this freaking industry!” Cruise said. “So I’m sorry, I am beyond your apologies. I have told you, and now I want it, and if you don’t do it, you’re out. We are not shutting this freaking movie down! Is it understood? If I see it again, you’re freaking gone.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2020, 08:40:30 PM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
Ugh. I’m sorry man.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2020, 08:42:16 PM
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The US Food and Drug Administration gave emergency authorization Tuesday for a COVID-19 test that can be fully taken at home.
Other at-home tests require a prescription or require people to send test samples to a lab to get results. But the COVID-19 home test developed by Australian company Ellume is sold over-the-counter and produces results that can be read at home.
"Today's authorization is a major milestone in diagnostic testing for COVID-19," FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn said in a written statement. "By authorizing a test for over-the-counter use, the FDA allows it to be sold in places like drug stores, where a patient can buy it, swab their nose, run the test and find out their results in as little as 20 minutes."
The test uses an analyzer that connects with a software application on a smartphone to help users perform the test and interpret results, the FDA said.
The Ellume test is an antigen test that "correctly identified 96% of positive samples and 100% of negative samples in individuals with symptoms," the FDA said.
In people without symptoms, the test correctly identified 91% of positive samples and 96% of negative samples, the FDA said.
Because the test isn't perfect, people who get a negative result should still presume they may be infected and act accordingly -- wearing a mask and keeping away from others.
Ellume expects to produce more than 3 million tests in January. When it applied for emergency use authorization, the company said it would charge $30 for the test.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 08:59:29 PM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
Very sorry, buddy
Post by: dcm1602 on December 15, 2020, 09:05:43 PM
I still think he's a piece of excrement cult leader, but a tip of my cap to Tom Cruise:
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tom-cruise-yells-mission-impossible-7-crew-covid-19-guidelines-1234854675/ (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tom-cruise-yells-mission-impossible-7-crew-covid-19-guidelines-1234854675/)
To be fair this is more about his movie than covid.
If he gave a excrement about covid he wouldn't be filming a freaking movie. Dudes shitting gold, it's not like he's working to feed his family
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2020, 09:08:34 PM
To be fair this is more about his movie than covid.
If he gave a excrement about covid he wouldn't be filming a freaking movie. Dudes shitting gold, it's not like he's working to feed his family
He's helping to feed a lot of other people's families, is his point. No one cares about Tom Cruise's bank account, but the fact that he cares about other people's is to be commended.
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2020, 09:15:03 PM
https://twitter.com/KnightGambit/status/1339001975673933824
Post by: MBGreen on December 15, 2020, 09:22:33 PM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.Condolences, my friend.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 15, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 16, 2020, 04:58:57 AM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.I'm sorry to hear about your Grandmother. She was lucky to have y'all taking good care of her.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
I appreciate the sympathies guys. I posted that because I'm angry. Life is still happening outside of covid--but people who'd otherwise get necessary care aren't because clowns want to claim freedoms or act like they're intellectually superior to scientists and journalists--until they're taking up a precious hospital bed or worse, sending someone else to it.
My condolences to you and your family
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2020, 09:22:26 AM
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1339200703429021708?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on December 16, 2020, 09:29:24 AM
Nearing a new stimulus/relief deal, sounds like the direct payments will be smaller than last time.Looking like $600 per person
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1339200703429021708?s=19
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
Post by: delavan on December 16, 2020, 10:17:27 AM
I've kept quiet about the subject, but the Saturday after Thanksgiving my wife and I went to her 96yo grandmother's house. A weekly thing because we've been her caretakers for years.
We found her on the floor. She'd had a heart attack. The paramedics came, and she was responsive but weak. They took her to the hospital more out of caution (heart attack not yet diagnosed).
She spent 3 days in the emergency room because all the ICU beds were occupied and there was absolutely no room to admit her. Finally, on Monday afternoon they put her in a bed (non-ICU). That night (2AM Tuesday) she passed away.
We protected this woman for months. Took every freedom away from her because fuckoffs won't wear masks. And still, covid managed to (indirectly) take her from us.
If you believe covid is a hoax, if you are an anti-masker, if you think this whole thing is overhyped, or whatever--I hate you. I blame you and all like you for the loss of a woman whose last direct words to me were "I love you like a son."
Condolences ATF. Though poignant, take comfort in her last words to you.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 16, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
I appreciate the sympathies guys. I posted that because I'm angry. Life is still happening outside of covid--but people who'd otherwise get necessary care aren't because clowns want to claim freedoms or act like they're intellectually superior to scientists and journalists--until they're taking up a precious hospital bed or worse, sending someone else to it.That was a horrible story. My condolences, and you should be angry.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 16, 2020, 11:44:52 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaWuMNGVcAAnQnQ?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: delavan on December 16, 2020, 12:23:50 PM
Was: Chinese Nationalists Sneer at U.S. Troubles
Now: Chinese Combative Nationalists See A World Turning Their Way
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/world/asia/china-nationalists-covid.html
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2020, 02:02:39 PM
Interestingly, this headline has been 'softened' from the original one that appeared in the same NYT that plops down on my driveway at 5:00 a.m. each morning.There's actually a Twitter account that tracks every edit NYT makes after publishing
Was: Chinese Nationalists Sneer at U.S. Troubles
Now: Chinese Combative Nationalists See A World Turning Their Way
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/world/asia/china-nationalists-covid.html
@nyt_diff
Post by: Johnny English on December 16, 2020, 07:41:11 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-vaccines-september-2021-1.5844314
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 16, 2020, 11:28:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 16, 2020, 11:59:04 PM
getting vaccinated tomorrow (today)Hark at Mr freaking Special here.
(Good for you bro. Thanks for managing the unimaginable excrement you're managing.)
Post by: MBGreen on December 17, 2020, 06:59:06 AM
getting vaccinated tomorrow (today)
Glad to hear it, dude.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2020, 07:45:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 17, 2020, 07:46:34 AM
I need to get vaccinated for Rabies again.
stop bangin' the clients
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2020, 07:49:12 AM
I need to get vaccinated for Rabies again.
stop bangin' the clients
(https://i.imgflip.com/34r2g0.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on December 17, 2020, 07:52:37 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
Post by: reuben on December 17, 2020, 08:22:09 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 17, 2020, 11:54:27 AM
Hark at Mr freaking Special here.
(Good for you bro. Thanks for managing the unimaginable excrement you're managing.)
What he said.
Post by: Johnny English on December 17, 2020, 07:56:30 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2020, 09:39:51 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/955841/pfizer-says-millions-vaccine-doses-are-waiting-shipped--but-government-hasnt-told-wherehttps://twitter.com/josh_wingrove/status/1339710772549709825?s=20
Either Pfizer or HHS is lying/bullshitting. Read this thread. I think they are having a pissing match because Pfizer didn't take money for development from Warp Speed.
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2020, 09:05:44 AM
https://twitter.com/josh_wingrove/status/1339710772549709825?s=20
Either Pfizer or HHS is lying/bullshitting. Read this thread. I think they are having a pissing match because Pfizer didn't take money for development from Warp Speed.
Deciding whether to believe the Trump administration or a global pharmaceutical company is like trying to decide whether to jump on the quicksand or the ice; it's pretty hard to trust either one. One has a far more significant track record of lies, incompetence and corruption than the other though.
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1339978522333425665?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on December 18, 2020, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 18, 2020, 03:59:50 PM
Now isn't the time to worry about deficits. Not that anyone has given a excrement about it ever.
FYP.
Slightly off topic, but how incredibly reassuring for those of us with elderly relatives to see the CDC literally taking "social justice factors" into account in determining who gets vaccinated first.
As opposed to who's most at risk.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 18, 2020, 08:04:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2020, 08:48:30 PM
Jesus the US has pre-ordered enough vaccine for 153% of the population. Yippee we peasants will be lucky to see a needle this side of June 2021, should you want to take it. I know quite a few people that will not take a vaccine.
That sounds like a lot until you know that other countries have ordered massively higher multiples; Canada has ordered over 10x as much as it needs, the EU has purchased 3x, and even the dysfunctional shitfest that is the UK has ordered something like 7x. You have to hedge against some vaccines turning out to not be as efficacious as others, and the potential of it wearing off and some people needing to be treated a second time. This is going to be a cash cow for the pharma companies for some time to come.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 18, 2020, 11:36:14 PM
That sounds like a lot until you know that other countries have ordered massively higher multiples; Canada has ordered over 10x as much as it needs, the EU has purchased 3x, and even the dysfunctional shitfest that is the UK has ordered something like 7x. You have to hedge against some vaccines turning out to not be as efficacious as others, and the potential of it wearing off and some people needing to be treated a second time. This is going to be a cash cow for the pharma companies for some time to come.
Oh I know, it also doesn't take into account the options the US has in place to order more. For instance, the US is close to optioning another 100M from Pfizer and has similar deals in place with Moderna and Novavax, so 153% is just a base percentage. Of course, that entails the drug companies making an immense amount of a vaccine that has never been approved and produced before.
Messenger RNA which is what these vaccines are made of, is a relatively new treatment and the companies making it pivoted from cancer treatments to virus treatments. So who the freak knows if they can produce what they say they can produce or contracted to.
I am ok with this being a cash cow if and only if:
1) They can actually deliver the amounts sufficient to vaccinate a substantial percent of the population, particularly those in dire need of it.
2.) The efficacy of the vaccines are near what they say or high enough to put a dent in the virus spreading or larger, stop the pandemic , preferably both.
3) Use this experience as a test run for the real potential of messenger rna treatments, such as cancer, genetic disorders, more virulent diseases and the gold standard-custom tailored treatments for the sick.
If stuff like that were to happen then they can milk the vaccine for all it's worth imo.
Post by: delavan on December 19, 2020, 01:20:23 PM
That sounds like a lot until you know that other countries have ordered massively higher multiples; Canada has ordered over 10x as much as it needs, the EU has purchased 3x, and even the dysfunctional shitfest that is the UK has ordered something like 7x. You have to hedge against some vaccines turning out to not be as efficacious as others, and the potential of it wearing off and some people needing to be treated a second time. This is going to be a cash cow for the pharma companies for some time to come.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Injection_Syringe_01.jpg/173px-Injection_Syringe_01.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/DATA_JUNKIE.jpg/320px-DATA_JUNKIE.jpg)
:-)
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2020, 03:29:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1340398470981677057?s=19
Breaking news: most people would like extra money.
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Breaking news: most people would like extra money.It apparently is news to the pro austerity crowd
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2020, 08:51:20 PM
It apparently is news to the pro austerity crowd
The pro austerity crowd are also mostly in favour of receiving extra money, they just don't want other people to.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 19, 2020, 11:35:11 PM
Idk why I found this as funny as I do
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2020, 07:49:57 AM
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2020, 08:51:23 AM
The pro austerity crowd are also mostly in favour of receiving extra money, they just don't want other people to.You'd be surprised, some people are so cucked that they're declaring they don't want it.
But as the polling shows, it's like 12%.
Post by: delavan on December 20, 2020, 05:29:05 PM
Youthful 31 yr. old politician gets the vaccine ahead of nurses and health care workers.
“I would would never, ever ask you to do something I wasn’t willing to do myself." - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
What selflessness! Thank you for leading the way Alexandria - remain steadfast and stay brave !
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/aoc-records-herself-getting-covid-19-vaccine-for-instagram/
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
Youthful 31 yr. old politician gets the vaccine ahead of nurses and health care workers.Ok boomer
“I would would never, ever ask you to do something I wasn’t willing to do myself." - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
What selflessness! Thank you for leading the way Alexandria - remain steadfast and stay brave !
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/aoc-records-herself-getting-covid-19-vaccine-for-instagram/
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 20, 2020, 06:45:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 20, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
Ill also point out, (and I have no idea how widespread this is) but at least at my institution the biggest bottleneck to the administration process is the lack of people to administer the vaccine and or lack of places to administer it. Not the actual vaccine itself.
I have zero freaking idea how that's even remotely possible since literally any licensed Healthcare professional can administer a freaking shot with about 2 minutes of training. And this isn't some rinky dink private facility, but one of the largest in the state/country and is probably in the 2nd of institutions (ie its not a Hopkins or Cleveland clinic, but the next step down)
The sheer incompetence is staggering at all levels. America knows nothing about leadership, from top to bottom
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2020, 10:28:01 PM
Youthful 31 yr. old politician gets the vaccine ahead of nurses and health care workers.
“I would would never, ever ask you to do something I wasn’t willing to do myself." - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
What selflessness! Thank you for leading the way Alexandria - remain steadfast and stay brave !
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/aoc-records-herself-getting-covid-19-vaccine-for-instagram/
Why would you pick out AOC for this, but not Marco Rubio? Is he less healthy or more at risk than AOC?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
https://twitter.com/phe_uk/status/1341000461227356160?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced Sunday that tighter restrictions would be put in place over the holiday season as a new more contagious strain of the coronavirus has resulted in a record number of daily cases, CNN reports.
The United Kingdom will enter a Tier 4 lockdown, which requires many businesses to remain closed, and for people to stay at home unless for necessities. It will also forbid households from mixing on Christmas Day.
According to CNN, France and the Republic of Ireland have suspended travel to and from the United Kingdom for the next two days. Belgium will not allow travelers from the UK to come into the country for 24 hours, and Italy's ban has no end date. Latvia and the Netherlands, meanwhile, will keep people from the UK out until next year.
These new restrictions come after the United Kingdom reported a new high of 35,928 cases earlier today. The surge is being attributed to a new, more infectious strain of the coronavirus, which accounts for 60 percent of infections in London alone. "The spread is being driven by the new variant of the virus," Johnson said. "It appears to spread more easily and may be up to 70 percent more transmissable than the earlier strain."
freak off, mate
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2020, 05:08:34 PM
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2020, 06:24:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2020, 07:13:35 PM
Can't spell nuke without UK
can't spell UK without ukilledkenny
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2020, 07:17:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1341056865657106432?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 11:03:27 AM
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This is the deadliest year in U.S. history, with deaths expected to top 3 million for the first time — due mainly to the coronavirus pandemic.
Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.
U.S. deaths increase most years, so some annual rise in fatalities is expected. But the 2020 numbers amount to a jump of about 15 percent, and could go higher once all the deaths from this month are counted.
That would mark the largest single-year percentage leap since 1918, when tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers died in World War I and hundreds of thousands of Americans died in a flu pandemic. Deaths rose 46 percent that year, compared with 1917.
All hype
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2020, 11:19:22 AM
https://twitter.com/JimmyVielkind/status/1341424615235743746?s=19
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2020, 11:21:12 AM
All hypeThe excess mortality rate has always been the most ironclad rebuttal to covid deniers.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
That link has an interactive chart in it that lets you compare different countries and their excess deaths throughout the year.
Post by: delavan on December 22, 2020, 01:51:35 PM
Ok boomer
Wrong. And what's more your own self-described "national treasure" Ilhan Omar didn't mince words either, calling it "shameful."
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1340771970359697409
Ilhan Omar
@IlhanMN
It would makes sense if it was age, but unfortunately it’s of importance and its shameful.
We are not more important then frontline workers, teachers etc. who are making sacrifices everyday.
Which is why I won’t take it.
People who need it most, should get it.
Full stop.
Quote Tweet
Anand Giridharadas
@AnandWrites
· Dec 20
Serious question. Is seemingly our entire top political leadership getting the vaccine ahead of others because of their age or their importance?
edit: Personally, I don't have a problem with politicos getting the vaccine, they should....my post was more about tweaking the diva-ish photo-op optics and the dramatic, self-serving quote of hers that accompanied it. No one's a "hands off" sacred cow. They're politicians, not celebrities, not rock stars.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2020, 01:56:56 PM
Post by: delavan on December 22, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
I think there are many things about which politicians can and should be dragged, but this isn't one of them. A significant proportion of them may be absolute cunts who deserve a good dose of the rona (everyone will have their own views who forms that percentage), but there are a number of reasons why it is important for politicians in high office to have the vaccine and be seen to be having it.
Impressive. I type the c-word and end up with the Chaucerian queynte instead. :-)
back on-topic: Biden holding presser ("darkest days ahead"). Euronews: UK corona mutant = travel bans left and right
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
Impressive. I type the c-word and end up with the Chaucerian queynte instead. :-)
You have the naughty words filter turned on. You can turn it off by going into Profile > Account Settings > Look and Layout > check the box next to Leave words uncensored.
You do however get credit for recognizing Middle English, you're clearly an educated man.
Post by: delavan on December 22, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
You have the naughty words filter turned on. You can turn it off by going into Profile > Account Settings > Look and Layout > check the box next to Leave words uncensored.
You do however get credit for recognizing Middle English, you're clearly an educated man.
$%%$ *&^ #@#&!! #%$# $Z&^$@!!
Thank you sir.
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2020, 03:41:59 PM
Wrong. And what's more your own self-described "national treasure" Ilhan Omar didn't mince words either, calling it "shameful."I'm not reading all that, my reply was about the facetious take on AOC. Not about vaccine priority.
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1340771970359697409
Ilhan Omar
@IlhanMN
It would makes sense if it was age, but unfortunately it’s of importance and its shameful.
We are not more important then frontline workers, teachers etc. who are making sacrifices everyday.
Which is why I won’t take it.
People who need it most, should get it.
Full stop.
Quote Tweet
Anand Giridharadas
@AnandWrites
· Dec 20
Serious question. Is seemingly our entire top political leadership getting the vaccine ahead of others because of their age or their importance?
edit: Personally, I don't have a problem with politicos getting the vaccine, they should....my post was more about tweaking the diva-ish photo-op optics and the dramatic, self-serving quote of hers that accompanied it. No one's a "hands off" sacred cow. They're politicians, not celebrities, not rock stars.
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2020, 03:46:34 PM
but there are a number of reasons why it is important for politicians in high office to have the vaccine and be seen to be having it.
This. Some people are skeptical because the government has a history of treating people who look like them as lab rats, other people are antivax because they saw a YouTube video from someone with a personality disorder, but whatever the case, it's good to normalize and encourage vaccination.
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2020, 07:49:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1341557535732604935?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 24, 2020, 07:57:40 AM
https://twitter.com/antarcticreport/status/1341322201849425921?s=21
Yay!!!
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2020, 11:10:51 AM
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2020, 05:44:48 PM
Jan 0
Feb 1
Mar 5,277
April 60,738
May 41,703
June 20,112
July 26,446
Aug 29,532
Sept 23,418
Oct 23,974
Nov 36,964
Dec 63,575
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2020, 03:19:29 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1344027857807417349
I did not know Ryan Griffin was on the COVID list.
He's one of the 99.99% that survived it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 03:26:04 PM
He's one of the 99.99% that survived it.
Deadliest year in American history, keep repeating this dumbass line though.
You had better hope none of your friends or family die from it or you’re going to look like a pretty big poopchute just to get across some internet jokes.
freak off
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
Deadliest year in American history, keep repeating this dumbass line though.
You had better hope none of your friends or family die from it or you’re going to look like a pretty big poopchute just to get across some internet jokes.
freak off
Not a joke it's a fact, 99.99% survive. Sorry it's not as scary as you'd like it to be. And the death rate is about flat line.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 03:39:24 PM
Not a joke it's a fact, 99.99% survive. Sorry it's not as scary as you'd like it to be. And the death rate is about flat line.
I’m sorry that you still haven’t figured out that the problem with this virus isn’t the death rate, but the transmission rate. No one is scared but you are acting like a freaking idiot. It’s really not that hard to figure out.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 03:42:51 PM
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This is the deadliest year in U.S. history, with deaths expected to top 3 million for the first time — due mainly to the coronavirus pandemic.
Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.
U.S. deaths increase most years, so some annual rise in fatalities is expected. But the 2020 numbers amount to a jump of about 15 percent, and could go higher once all the deaths from this month are counted.
That would mark the largest single-year percentage leap since 1918, when tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers died in World War I and hundreds of thousands of Americans died in a flu pandemic. Deaths rose 46 percent that year, compared with 1917.
The excess mortality rate has always been the most ironclad rebuttal to covid deniers.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
That link has an interactive chart in it that lets you compare different countries and their excess deaths throughout the year.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2020, 04:54:41 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
freak the Patriots and freak IS.
Right back at you bro.
Deaths in the USA over the years...
2010: 2.5M
2011: 2.5M
2012: 2.5M
2013 :2.6M
2014: 2.6M
2015: 2.7M
2016: 2.7M
2017: 2.8M
2018: 2.8M
2019: 2.9M
2020: 2.5M (as of November)
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2020, 04:58:22 PM
Deaths in the USA over the years...
2020: 2.5M (as of November)
It's a damn shame you aren't one of them.
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2020, 05:05:30 PM
Right back at you bro.This is why I won't ban you...your idiocy makes people laugh.
Deaths in the USA over the years...
2010: 2.5M
2011: 2.5M
2012: 2.5M
2013 :2.6M
2014: 2.6M
2015: 2.7M
2016: 2.7M
2017: 2.8M
2018: 2.8M
2019: 2.9M
2020: 2.5M (as of November)
bundle of sticks.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 29, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
Right back at you bro.
Deaths in the USA over the years...
2010: 2.5M
2011: 2.5M
2012: 2.5M
2013 :2.6M
2014: 2.6M
2015: 2.7M
2016: 2.7M
2017: 2.8M
2018: 2.8M
2019: 2.9M
2020: 2.5M (as of November)
How dare you rebut a factual assertion!
Anyway, what's it like for some of you basking in an heir of self-imposed superiority as one wishes death on people and hurls homophobic epithets?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
How dare you rebut a factual assertion!
Anyway, what's it like for some of you basking in an heir of self-imposed superiority as one wishes death on people and hurls homophobic epithets?
Nobody is talking to you poopchute
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 05:40:40 PM
Right back at you bro.
Deaths in the USA over the years...
2010: 2.5M
2011: 2.5M
2012: 2.5M
2013 :2.6M
2014: 2.6M
2015: 2.7M
2016: 2.7M
2017: 2.8M
2018: 2.8M
2019: 2.9M
2020: 2.5M (as of November)
freak outta here, bro
https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7
Post by: mj2sexay on December 29, 2020, 05:48:40 PM
Nobody is talking to you poopchute
Lol, eat excrement.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2020, 05:48:45 PM
freak outta here, bro
https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7
Yeah, but if you don't count the ones from this month and then ignore a bunch of others, it looks like less.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 05:49:55 PM
Lol, eat excrement.
Eat excrement, no lol.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2020, 06:07:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2020, 06:21:40 PM
Alright, y'all get it together and quit freak you-ing each other or I'll be forced to post a gif showing you how gay you are. I'll do it lover of the older lady, don't test me.Bitch...go get me Arbys.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
Bitch...go get me Arbys.Now I know why you like Arby's. So much meat on meat action.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201230/77db0f21c1501e95fa1351f4c48b1adc.jpg)
Post by: delavan on December 29, 2020, 07:02:24 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Retarded_Children_Can_Be_Helped_Postage_Stamp.jpg/157px-Retarded_Children_Can_Be_Helped_Postage_Stamp.jpg)
Eat excrement, no lol.
Lol, eat excrement.
freak outta here, bro
This is why I won't ban you...your idiocy makes people laugh.
bundle of sticks.
Nobody is talking to you poopchute
Right back at you bro.
Bitch...go get me Arbys.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/RelacioDistanciaRetard2.jpg)
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 07:07:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2020, 07:23:25 PM
Here’s the math: If the goal is to reach 80% of Americans vaccinated with a 2-dose #covid19 vaccine, it will take 10 years at our current pace. We are at 1 million vaccinations a week. To get to herd immunity by June 2021, we need to be at 3.5 million vaccinations a day. https://t.co/E78e0xg10z
Yes but supply chains are only just getting going. No one expected us to be going at full speed from day one.
I feel like there are plenty of actual systemic failures you can criticise without needing to make them up.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 07:43:40 PM
Yes but supply chains are only just getting going. No one expected us to be going at full speed from day one.Who's us?
I feel like there are plenty of actual systemic failures you can criticise without needing to make them up.
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2020, 07:48:32 PM
Who's us?
The human race. We're all dealing with the same thing, and we all have the same ultimate solution.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 08:01:26 PM
The human race. We're all dealing with the same thing, and we all have the same ultimate solution.Good point, my government's handling of vaccine rollout should not be criticized.
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2020, 08:08:40 PM
Good point, my government's handling of vaccine rollout should not be criticized.
They absolutely can be, I'm just saying that projecting current vaccine rates is a dumb argument given no one is currently vaccinating at the projected rate yet because the vaccine is brand new and the logistical operation is still spooling up. You argument is like getting in your buddy's new sports car and then telling him it's excrement because it's not yet doing 150mph when it's 20 yards off the line.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
They absolutely can be, I'm just saying that projecting current vaccine rates is a dumb argument given no one is currently vaccinating at the projected rate yet because the vaccine is brand new and the logistical operation is still spooling up. You argument is like getting in your buddy's new sports car and then telling him it's excrement because it's not yet doing 150mph when it's 20 yards off the line.Check back in a few months
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/politics/luke-letlow-died-covid/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/politics/luke-letlow-died-covid/index.html)
Post by: Miamipuck on December 29, 2020, 11:23:45 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 29, 2020, 11:28:05 PM
freak you
pay me
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 11:44:03 PM
This place is freaking awesome! And I thought I had issues....lmao...
Still plodding away with that schtick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2020, 06:35:22 AM
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2020, 08:16:53 AM
Congressman-elect Luke Letlow dies of COVID-19.Martyr for the economy
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/politics/luke-letlow-died-covid/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/politics/luke-letlow-died-covid/index.html)
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1314247318372257792?s=19
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2020, 08:19:07 AM
This thread makes my poopchute hurtIt hurts when I urine
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2020, 10:32:49 AM
This thread makes my poopchute hurt
Pretty much
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2020, 11:06:25 AM
This thread makes my poopchute hurt
Pretty sure that’s just from your buttsex with Puck
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
Still plodding away with that schtick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
You got a better chance of seeing god : )
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2020, 01:27:48 PM
Pretty sure that’s just from your buttsex with Puck
He means all things equal, besides the buttsex
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
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Melanie Zanona
@MZanona
·
17h
Confirming this very, very sad news: Rep.-elect Luke Letlow has died of coronavirus.
He was 41 and had a wife & 2 small children. Was just days away from being sworn into Congress. Absolutely devastating.
I guess the 99% survival rate didn't apply to this fellow. ::)
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 08:25:13 PM
Pretty sure that’s just from your buttsex with Puck(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201231/4b766b3e8adc49884decbd23a69f0289.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2020, 08:44:28 PM
I guess the 99% survival rate didn't apply to this fellow. ::)
He died of heart failure, with COVID, not from COVID.
Amazingly the regular flu is non existent this year. Weird.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2020, 08:56:41 PM
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Letlow, 41, died at Ochsner-LSU Health Shreveport from “complications from COVID-19,” his spokesman, Andrew Bautsch, said in a statement.
Letlow was admitted to a Monroe hospital with COVID-19 symptoms on Dec. 19th before being transferred to the Shreveport hospital and moving to the intensive care unit on Dec. 23rd. Letlow is survived by his wife, Julie Barnhill Letlow, and two young children, Bautsch said.
He was in critical condition but had recently shown signs of improvement when he "apparently suffered a cardiac event this evening that was refractory to all resuscitation efforts," said Dr. G.E. Ghali, of LSU Health Shreveport.
Ghali previously said Letlow was being treated with the antiviral drug Remdesivir and steroids. Asked if Letlow had any underlying conditions that would have made his death more likely, Ghali said in a text message, "none. All COVID related."
Post by: reuben on December 30, 2020, 09:00:11 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 30, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
He died of heart failure, with COVID, not from COVID.
Amazingly the regular flu is non existent this year. Weird.
viruses cause heart failure exacerbations on top of obviously affecting the cardiopulmonary status of patients who already have lower functionality and reserve at baseline.......such as patients with chronic cardiac/pulmonary conditions
this is literally what's meant when people say that 'healthy' people can deal with the severity of the disease relatively okay while people with other medical conditions and comorbidities get fvcked when they come down with covid
you think you're saying something but you're not
and LMAO i just saw what sixfeetdeep posted about what actually happened
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 30, 2020, 09:04:43 PM
he is going to believe what he wants to believe no matter what any of you say. he literally still parrots his 'masks dont work' BS even after a poster here literally took the time to type out an entire post citing studies that show tangible effects and benefits of wearing masks. it either went over his head or he didn't read it, but the point is, he doesn't care. he doesn't want to be shown or proven why he is wrong. he's going to believe what he wants to believe in
edit: who was this poster/where is that post? i believe it was ONS who posted it
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 30, 2020, 09:13:20 PM
it's absolutely infurating. you absolutely cannot focus on the mortality of the disease alone to try and talk about the severity of the virus when the morbidities it causes to patients who come down with covid and end up surviving are fvcking insane. they don't die but their lives are changed and affected forever, not that this means anything to you or your dumb argument
i've been working at a place for 4 years now where the ICUs every fall/winter are packed with patients with chronic pulmonary conditions who come down with seasonal viruses and need to be admitted. i can tell you that the complications that i see due to covid are absolutely fvcking stupid in the sense that i've never seen this excrement before and this frequently with other common seasonal viruses like the flu. the cardiac, pulmonary, neurologic, renal, vascular complications that covid creates is fvcking nuts
baselessly posting the survival rate also demeans the paramount efforts hospital workers are putting in to try and save these patients, from top to bottom
you need to shut the fvck up
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 30, 2020, 09:28:06 PM
providers are taking care of patient ratios well over the accepted safety standards, and are getting burned out and stretched thin. patient care suffers. things have to be rushed, things get missed. either too much or too little is done for a patient, both of which can be extremely dangerous. patients are triaged incorrectly and either go to the wrong place/setting or do not go to where they need to go. people suffer
alio was courageous enough to describe how the above situation literally affected the the care his sick mother-in-law received to the point where she suffered a more or less inconsequential death days into an inpatient hospital stay. alio, i'm so sorry for your loss. i can tell you that being at a hospital that has actually dealt with covid relatively well, the volume is still such that things are more or less a mess and excrement feels unsafe. i cannot and do not want to imagine what it feels like being at other places
yet here you are continually downplaying the severity of the disease over and over like it all means nothing. how much more fvcking insulting do you want to be to him?
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 09:32:36 PM
He died of heart failure, with COVID, not from COVID.You can't help talking out of your derriere eh.
Amazingly the regular flu is non existent this year. Weird.
Get educated.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2020, 11:10:12 PM
He wasn't asssinated he died of hypovolemia and just happened to have a bullet in him
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2020, 07:35:26 AM
It wasn't the bullet that killed jfk, just the loss of blood exacerbated by it.
He wasn't asssinated he died of hypovolemia and just happened to have a bullet in him
Except in this case COVID-19 would be the bullet that caused the cardiac issues.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 31, 2020, 07:46:05 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2020, 08:32:54 AM
Yo, d sw0rdz and dcm, just wanna say, y'all are heroes. Nothing less. Thank you for everything you're doing despite the dipshits.QFT
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
Post by: delavan on December 31, 2020, 10:19:17 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201231/4b766b3e8adc49884decbd23a69f0289.jpg)
So it was hemorrhoids with AIDS, not from AIDS?
"The lab techs said they need to develop a cure...
and that we're supposed to freak each other in the derriere.
You ok with that Puck?"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/New_rats_-_Flickr_-_ressaure.jpg/320px-New_rats_-_Flickr_-_ressaure.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2020, 12:14:51 PM
AIDS has been diagnosed with Puck.Thought and prayers for AIDS at this difficult time
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2020, 12:30:27 PM
Thought and prayers for AIDS at this difficult time1 click = 1 prayer
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
1 dick = 1 prayer
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 31, 2020, 01:47:19 PM
But the long-term effects should not be minimized.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2020, 01:51:53 PM
99.99% of those who experience Puck survive.That's the most accurate statement in this thread.
But the long-term effects should not be minimized.
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2020, 02:06:36 PM
99.99% of those who experience Puck survive.I was first exposed to Puck in 2010 and I still feel the urge to buy a bridge sometimes
But the long-term effects should not be minimized.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2020, 02:20:40 PM
I was first exposed to Puck in 2010 and I still feel the urge to buy a bridge sometimesI met Puck a year or so later. I may have caught an AID.
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2020, 02:49:58 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2020, 02:54:40 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
I would say freak you all but you guys are accurate.
Puck Beep
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2021, 08:30:27 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
I think getting ~75% efficacy to twice as many people is better than ~95% to half as many. I think the anamnestic response will still be quite strong at 12 weeks.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 02, 2021, 05:21:26 PM
I think the US should follow the UK in prioritizing the 1st vaccination to as many people as possible instead of saving enough doses for the same people to get the 2nd one. The UK is stretching the gap between doses from 21 days to 12 weeks. I realize there isn't a ton of data on efficacy after only 1 vaccination, but I believe it won't be far off what you get with 2 vaccinations and you can protect more people now.
I think getting ~75% efficacy to twice as many people is better than ~95% to half as many. I think the anamnestic response will still be quite strong at 12 weeks.
It's been a while since I saw the literature
But I believe one of the major vaccine companies published something along the line of 53% immunity 10 days after the first shot
Fairly certain it wasn't close to 75%
I think the bigger concern is how long will it last after only one shot, and I certainly don't remember reading that
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2021, 06:35:00 PM
It's been a while since I saw the literaturehttps://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/12/18/coronavirus-vaccine-single-dose-debate
But I believe one of the major vaccine companies published something along the line of 53% immunity 10 days after the first shot
Fairly certain it wasn't close to 75%
I think the bigger concern is how long will it last after only one shot, and I certainly don't remember reading that
80-90%
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But Dr. Chris Gill, an infectious disease specialist at Boston University, points out that a single injection of Pfizer's vaccine may be even more effective than this estimate suggests. Looking at data from a smaller window between the time the first injection should have started working and before the second injection kicked in, Gill says the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may have an efficacy rate as high as 80 or 90% with just a single dose.
Moderna actually collected data from people who only received one dose of its vaccine, Gill says. Some 2,000 participants in Moderna’s phase three clinical trial received just a single injection of either a placebo or the vaccine. In that population, the efficacy of the single vaccine dose was roughly 80 to 90%.
Plus you'd still be getting the 2nd vaccination, just at 12 weeks instead of 3.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 02, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/12/18/coronavirus-vaccine-single-dose-debate
80-90%
Plus you'd still be getting the 2nd vaccination, just at 12 weeks instead of 3.
From actual Pfizer
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/pfizer-single-dose-data-716702dd-324f-42b9-b88d-07df43ca198a.html
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Pfizer said in a statement that there are "no data" to demonstrate that a single dose of its coronavirus vaccine will provide protection from infection after 21 days.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/expert-reaction-uk-untested-vaccination-strategy-single-dose-pfizer-2020-12%3famp
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Because the strategy remains untested, both Plotkin and Offit emphasized how difficult it is to measure the effectiveness rates of a single dose over a period of several weeks. It could be as high as 60% or 70%, they estimated based on previous trials, but that remains far below the 95% efficacy for people who get both doses.
Pfizer said in a statement that decisions on dosing are up to health authorities, but that there's no data to show how the shot works if people don't get their second injection on time.
"The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design," Pfizer and BioNTech said.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 06:00:25 PM
Not all heroes wear capes
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2021, 06:35:39 PM
https://twitter.com/KATUNews/status/1346237473974677506?s=19
Not all heroes wear capes
So if he succeeded he would likely poison hundreds of people.
WTF good was he trying to do here?
Post by: delavan on January 05, 2021, 11:48:28 PM
https://apnews.com/article/who-china-coronavirus-origins-90ad1b9aaeef2967f82486c564cc99c5
Post by: IATA on January 06, 2021, 07:55:31 AM
So if he succeeded he would likely poison hundreds of people.Kill people so his conspiracy theory would be "true"
WTF good was he trying to do here?
Johnny English is a jerk
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2021, 08:14:32 AM
https://apnews.com/article/who-china-coronavirus-origins-90ad1b9aaeef2967f82486c564cc99c5
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210102/981aa78a26387bc995bf358d43aba1e3.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2021, 08:26:00 AM
https://pagesix.com/2021/01/04/bill-and-david-s-mack-allegedly-arrange-covid-vaccine-for-rich-pals/
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2021, 08:10:51 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 08, 2021, 02:24:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 08, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1347417082074439681?s=19
Imagine intentionally refusing to accept and understand this. They’re very simple and irrefutable statistics. If you’re still trying to find an angle to deflect facts, it’s not a simple difference of opinion anymore and it’s completely fair to call you a freaking moron.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 08, 2021, 08:42:19 PM
Imagine intentionally refusing to accept and understand this. They’re very simple and irrefutable statistics. If you’re still trying to find an angle to deflect facts, it’s not a simple difference of opinion anymore and it’s completely fair to call you a freaking moron.
But what if I poorly source statistics and refuse to understand it outside a very specific vacuum as if it doesn’t have any impact on other people or situations?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2021, 08:22:22 AM
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LONDON — Japan's National Institute of Infectious Diseases (NIID) on Sunday said it had detected a new variant of the coronavirus in four travelers arriving from Brazil.
The newly-discovered mutant strain of Covid-19 was found to share some of the mutations in common with those of concern for increased infectivity, the institute said, referring to highly infectious strains recently discovered in the U.K. and South Africa.
However, at this time any information about the new variant is limited to its genetic make-up, the NIID said. The institute added it is difficult to immediately determine how infectious the new strain is and the effectiveness of vaccines against it.
The World Health Organization has been contacted by CNBC to confirm whether it has been informed about the new mutant strain of the virus. The United Nations health agency was not immediately available to respond on Monday morning.
Japan's identification of a new variant of the virus comes as countries scramble to contain two other contagious variants that have emerged in the U.K. and South Africa. Public health experts have expressed concern the new strains could pose a threat to inoculation efforts.
To be sure, while the variants discovered in Britain and South Africa spread more easily, there is no clear evidence of the mutated viruses being associated with more severe disease outcomes. But being more transmissible means more people can get infected, and this could mean more serious infections and more fatalities.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2021, 08:26:06 AM
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BEIJING — It took just 39 new coronavirus cases for health authorities in China to put almost 11 million people into lockdown in the city of Shijiazhuang.
Health officials took no chances on Wednesday, sealing off the capital of the industrial Hebei province and ordering a mass testing drive.
Travel restrictions were put in place in the remainder of the region, which encircles China's capital Beijing and is home to some 76 million people.
By Saturday, Mayor Ma Yujun told a news conference that it had taken just three days to complete the first round of mass testing in Shijiazhuang, with 354 people found positive for the virus. A second round of testing is due to begin soon, he added.
Yan Xixin, a critical care director at the Second Hospital of Hebei Medical University, told the same news conference, "the risk of having more infections is still there."
This hard-and-fast approach is being echoed elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region to fend off coronavirus flare-ups — including in Japan, Thailand and Australia — making measures to curb the virus spread in Europe and the United States appear almost sluggish.
Authorities put Hebei — known for textile, steel and pharmaceutical industries — into a "wartime mode" on Tuesday. This meant that government-coordinated action could begin, investigation teams to trace contacts could be set up and medical supplies distributed.
For residents of the provincial capital, Shijiazhuang, travel out of the city was barred and gatherings banned. Schools were closed down, while flights and trains were cancelled and the main bus terminal shut.
Late Friday, citizens were urged to stay home for at least seven days.
Nearby, officials in the city of Nangong announced on the social platform WeChat that they would offer rewards of 500 Yuan ($77) for reports of anyone refusing a Covid-19 test.
"People should fully understand the necessity of this approach," Shi Mo, a graduate student in Shijiazhuang, told NBC News.
Although it would take some social and psychological adjustments, Shi likened the lockdown to preparing "for a protracted war."
"With the valuable experience of Wuhan in its previous epidemic prevention, Shijiazhuang has a model for reference," he said. "We are all optimistic about the epidemic."
The aggressive measures to control the outbreak are similar, although not yet as draconian, as those used by Chinese authorities to stamp out the virus when it first emerged in the city of Wuhan in late 2019.
Since then, the total number of coronavirus cases in China stands over 87,000 and the death toll remains unchanged since May, at 4,634 people, according to China's National Health Commission — the only official source of information about infection rates in the country.
NBC News could not independently verify the reported numbers, and the Chinese government has been criticized for its lack of openness and minimizing the severity of the outbreak since its outset. The country has also been accused of mishandling the initial phase of the outbreak and silencing whistleblowers.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2021, 08:49:10 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 09:13:51 AM
Good news for Puck....Moderna is launching 3 new vaccine programs, one of them being for HIV.He needs the one for derriere AIDS specifically.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
He needs the one for derriere AIDS specifically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJKz_Q1_YWw&ab_channel=jbrunt1990
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 09:33:09 AM
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2021, 09:56:28 AM
Quote from: delavan
He needs the one for derriere AIDS specifically.
"that true Puck?
If so, assume the position-- c'mon, do it for science!"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/New_rats_-_Flickr_-_ressaure.jpg/320px-New_rats_-_Flickr_-_ressaure.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2021, 10:02:20 AM
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This hard-and-fast approach is being echoed elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region to fend off coronavirus flare-ups — including in Japan, Thailand and Australia — making measures to curb the virus spread in Europe and the United States appear almost sluggish.
"almost sluggish"
#butmuhrytes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2021, 06:49:02 AM
The Trailerpark.com Corona Bowl
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 08:49:14 AM
interesting.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 25, 2021, 08:59:12 AM
@BBCBreaking
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18m
Moderna Covid vaccine appears to work against UK and South African variants of the virus, the company’s scientists say
Post by: delavan on January 26, 2021, 05:22:46 PM
Meanwhile on-line schooling has Junior flunking like a champ (not to mention the socialization fallout).
Gonna be dicey in some political circles for whom to hitch their wagons to.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2021, 07:04:35 AM
Damn...
Quote
Philadelphia is home to some of the most venerated medical institutions in the country. Yet when it came time to set up the city’s first and largest coronavirus mass vaccination site, officials turned to the start-up Philly Fighting COVID, a self-described “group of college kids” with minimal health-care experience.
Chaos ensued.
Seniors were left in tears after finding that appointments they’d made through a bungled sign-up form wouldn’t be honored. The group switched to a for-profit model without publicizing the change and added a privacy policy that would allow it to sell users’ personal data. One volunteer alleged that the 22-year-old CEO had pocketed vaccine doses. Another described a “free-for-all” where unsupervised 18- and 19-year-olds vaccinated one another and posed for photos.
Post by: MBGreen on January 27, 2021, 08:02:30 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/philadelphia-let-e2-80-98college-kids-e2-80-99-distribute-vaccines-the-result-was-a-e2-80-98disaster-volunteers-say/ar-BB1d8ns7
Damn...
I hate people
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 08:15:55 AM
cursed words
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 08:50:47 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2021, 09:32:51 AM
For us here the logistics are a bit weird but the people in my circle who need it are getting it. We live in central Queens and my wife had to go to Harlem, her mom had to go to the Bronx, her dad had to go to Belmont racetrack.Can't find it anywhere where I am. I'm technically Phase 1b since I'm a veterinarian, but they are still working through the backlog of old people and phase 1a people.
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 10:48:07 AM
Can't find it anywhere where I am. I'm technically Phase 1b since I'm a veterinarian, but they are still working through the backlog of old people and phase 1a people.I'm probably phase Z, I'm not even thinking about it yet.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 27, 2021, 12:05:00 PM
On long Island I know so many people who have gotten their 1st and 2nd shot that in no way shape or form should have qualified.
20 year old social workers and all other kinds of nonsense.
The US is legendary for putting incompetent clowns in positions of power
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 01:36:39 PM
The US is legendary for putting incompetent clowns in positions of power
"22-year-old CEO"
cursed words
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 27, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Wait until you find out it's actually d swordz running this vaccine racket.
'all right, listen up. all the triads and the ugly women not getting vaccines on this side, and all the fine women getting vaccines on this side, right now'
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 09:16:56 PM
'all right, listen up. all the triads and the ugly women not getting vaccines on this side, and all the fine women getting vaccines on this side, right now'JE probably hates this movie too
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2021, 10:24:03 PM
JE probably hates this movie tooI don't know what movie this is.
Post by: IATA on January 28, 2021, 07:54:48 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 08:08:53 AM
'all right, listen up. all the triads and the ugly women not getting vaccines on this side, and all the fine women getting vaccines on this side, right now'
THICC LATINAS WILL BE VACCINATED
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 08:10:14 AM
rush hour 2, a cinema masterpiece
My favorite line from that movie:
“All Gas, No Brake”
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2021, 08:22:36 AM
My favorite line from that movie:I always wanted to square madden
“All Gas, No Brake”
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 08:54:59 AM
rush hour 2, a cinema masterpiece
Don't believe I've seen it, Badger. I know I saw the original. As I recall it was fine.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 08:55:31 AM
Don't believe I've seen it, Badger. I know I saw the original. As I recall it was fine.
You actually watched past the opening credits?
i don't believe you.
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 08:57:50 AM
You actually watched past the opening credits?
i don't believe you.
Yes, I do that with movies that are designed to appeal to someone other than pubescent teenage boys.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:04:26 AM
Yes, I do that with movies that are designed to appeal to someone other than pubescent teenage boys.
you play video games...do you turn them off after the first level? #pubescentLogic
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 09:07:07 AM
you play video games...do you turn them off after the first level? #pubescentLogic
I do excrement ones, yes.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 09:09:12 AM
I do excrement ones, yes.
you have the patience of an irritable little man-child.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2021, 09:54:27 AM
Quote
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China rolls out anal swab coronavirus test, saying it’s more accurate than throat method
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Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2021, 10:07:57 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 28, 2021, 10:46:21 AM
Don't believe I've seen it, Badger. I know I saw the original. As I recall it was fine.
bro cmon
you need to watch rush hour 2
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
bro cmon
you need to watch rush hour 2
he won't get past the first 5 mins
#realtalk
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2021, 11:45:27 AM
bro cmon
you need to watch rush hour 2
x2
If you can watch Vin Diesel movies you can suffer through a masterpiece like this
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2021, 03:41:16 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/us/oregon-vaccine-stuck-in-the-snow-drivers.html
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2021, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 07:06:07 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/29/covid-vaccine-jjs-one-shot-drug-is-72percent-in-the-us-but-less-effective-elsewhere.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2021, 09:32:42 AM
J&J vaccine data out. Not as good as Moderna and Pfizer, but may fill the void for most people until they can get the better ones. 66% effective against moderate disease, 85% effective against severe disease. Big advantage is it's one shot.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/29/covid-vaccine-jjs-one-shot-drug-is-72percent-in-the-us-but-less-effective-elsewhere.html
Woooooddddyyyy
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1355142405528367109?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
Woooooddddyyyy
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1355142405528367109?s=21
Deshaun stonk $$
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2021, 07:21:47 AM
Post by: delavan on February 01, 2021, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 02, 2021, 06:16:23 PM
Post by: delavan on February 04, 2021, 10:01:34 AM
The Journal of America Medical Association's latest "in-school safety assessments" and teacher's unions (e.g. Chicago) are on a collision course.
Meanwhile on-line schooling has Junior flunking like a champ (not to mention the socialization fallout).
Gonna be dicey in some political circles for whom to hitch their wagons to.
This morning a very pissed-off Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot blasted the CTU saying "there's no more runway" and that they're "creating chaos."
Post by: Badger on February 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
https://twitter.com/BethMalicki/status/1357819382441852930?s=19
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2021, 04:47:01 PM
bye bitch
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2021, 04:54:19 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-ron-wright-has-died-covid-19-his-office-announces-n1257026Fake news, real cause of death was JSL
bye bitch
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2021, 04:59:26 PM
Post by: reuben on February 08, 2021, 05:15:39 PM
What is JSL?
Austin Seferian Jenkins
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
What is JSL?
jick sucking lips
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2021, 05:21:47 PM
What is JSL?Jewish space lasers
Post by: delavan on February 09, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-ron-wright-has-died-covid-19-his-office-announces-n1257026
bye bitch
Fake news, real cause of death was JSL
Was this guy a Marjorie Taylor Greene-type whack job? Seriously, I'm trying to wrap my head around the 'humor'
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2021, 10:02:42 AM
I'll clarify,
Was this guy a Marjorie Taylor Greene-type whack job? Seriously, I'm trying to wrap my head around the 'humor'
Heis is actually glad this guy is dead and I can't stop myself from shoehorning JSLs into everything
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2021, 11:13:16 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/nyregion/vaccine-website-appointment-nyc.html
You're delivering vaccine in huge numbers, but not making any determination as to who gets it based upon need and vulnerability?
Post by: delavan on February 09, 2021, 11:41:35 AM
I'll clarify,
Heis is actually glad this guy is dead and I can't stop myself from shoehorning JSLs into everything
Wronging a Wright?
I'll let myself out
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
This seems a bit ridiculous.Huge Ma sounds like the madam of a whorehouse in 1870s Arkansas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/nyregion/vaccine-website-appointment-nyc.html
You're delivering vaccine in huge numbers, but not making any determination as to who gets it based upon need and vulnerability?
Post by: Jumbo on February 09, 2021, 12:35:39 PM
This seems a bit ridiculous.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/nyregion/vaccine-website-appointment-nyc.html
You're delivering vaccine in huge numbers, but not making any determination as to who gets it based upon need and vulnerability?
NYC was throwing away so many of them unused before that this clusterfuck is probably still an upgrade
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2021, 01:17:15 PM
A coworker of mines healthy husband in his 30s who isn't an essential worker in any way shape or form managed to have gotten his first and second dose already
It's a cluster freak of all cluster fucks
Post by: delavan on February 12, 2021, 09:29:28 AM
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Report-Cuomo-aide-says-admin-froze-amid-15945231.php
Post by: dcm1602 on February 12, 2021, 05:01:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 16, 2021, 06:36:32 PM
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2021, 06:47:13 PM
https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/status/1361833634072653824?s=21I can almost taste the Fuddruckers.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2021, 07:07:40 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/status/1361833634072653824?s=21
Since the numbers are getting slightly better for one day I guess that means we can get rid of them completely, stop wearing masks, which are really the gold stars of our times, and go back to eating indoors with no restrictions!
/sarcasm button
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2021, 07:21:44 PM
Safe to say we won't ever be hearing about Cuomo running for president againPeople forget.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2021, 08:40:23 PM
People forget.They gladly forgot Biden's entire political career pre-"Obama's friend."
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2021, 08:32:19 AM
Will make things much easier for Pfizer's vaccine to get around.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
Have to imagine that transmissions would be down because of that, testing done would be WAY WAY down, and reported covid deaths would probably also be down.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2021, 08:45:45 PM
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The U.S. is working to vaccinate a high percentage of its population against COVID-19 as soon as possible to stop the spread of the disease and end the outbreak in the country.
The mission becomes even more urgent as coronavirus variants emerge around the world, raising concerns that the virus could evade our efforts to control it, if the spread is not curbed quickly.
Since vaccine distribution began in the U.S. on Dec. 14, more than 57 million doses have been administered, reaching 12.4% of the total U.S. population, according to federal data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The U.S. is currently administering over 1.8 million shots a day.
Npr
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2021, 08:50:37 PM
How much of a factor do the recent blizzards play into these numbers?
Have to imagine that transmissions would be down because of that, testing done would be WAY WAY down, and reported covid deaths would probably also be down.
The numbers have been dropping for weeks. My best guess is post-holidays decline plus the vaccine finally starting to take effect.
At this point you have to think most of the people that are high potential spreaders of the virus are either:
1) frontline/essential workers that have gotten vaccinated or will be shortly
2) people that are continually out and about for whatever reason and have already contracted covid, recovered, and moved on
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2021, 03:46:57 PM
The numbers have been dropping for weeks. My best guess is post-holidays decline plus the vaccine finally starting to take effect.
At this point you have to think most of the people that are high potential spreaders of the virus are either:
1) frontline/essential workers that have gotten vaccinated or will be shortly
2) people that are continually out and about for whatever reason and have already contracted covid, recovered, and moved on
Well I don't know about the rest of the country, but where I am the major colleges recently went back into session. And there was a massive spike in cases, including the new variants all from jerkoffy college kids. I believe there was also several hundred cases linked to frats, with the college pumping out 200 or so positive cases a day in students alone.
Worth monitoring how the return to school angle impacts covid on a national level
Post by: delavan on February 21, 2021, 05:53:00 PM
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-russia-case-h5n8-avian-flu.html
Post by: delavan on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/us/oakley-school-board-hot-mic.amp.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 24, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
“ getting one dose of Pfizer and one dose of Moderna its called an Arnold Pharma”
Post by: delavan on February 24, 2021, 09:40:09 AM
https://twitter.com/jeffisrael25/status/1364257411356311561?s=21Hi Bred, 'sup?
“ getting one dose of Pfizer and one dose of Moderna its called an Arnold Pharma”
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2021, 10:30:34 AM
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COVID-19
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2 hours ago
FDA says Johnson & Johnson’s single-shot COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective
A US Food and Drug Administration review released on Wednesday found the drugmaker’s single-dose vaccination to be safe and approximately 66% effective in preventing moderate to severe COVID-19. It would be the third COVID-19 vaccine in the US if authorized by the FDA, and the first that requires just one dose, according to reports.
the Woddy special
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 07:57:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 07:59:36 AM
Thanks to 4 years of at sea duty and my poor mental coping skills, I have developed hypertension which at times - even here on shore duty - borders on severe condtions (190/120 or greater). As a result, I now qualify for DC's vaccine priority distribution. Hooray.
gratz
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 08:03:55 AM
Thanks to 4 years of at sea duty and my poor mental coping skills, I have developed hypertension which at times - even here on shore duty - borders on severe condtions (190/120 or greater). As a result, I now qualify for DC's vaccine priority distribution. Hooray.
Damn, that's high. I'm on meds for hypertension too. Mine is genetic (thanks Dad).
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 08:29:26 AM
Damn, that's high. I'm on meds for hypertension too. Mine is genetic (thanks Dad).
Yeah, pretty sure the "extra blood tests" they gave me that day were just to lower my BP to the point that they could release me.
Post by: delavan on February 25, 2021, 10:42:42 AM
Thanks to 4 years of at sea duty and my poor mental coping skills, I have developed hypertension which at times - even here on shore duty - borders on severe condtionsPlease take care of yourself Cato and even more importantly stay on top of it.
(190/120 or greater)
. As a result, I now qualify for DC's vaccine priority distribution. Hooray.
https://www.heart.org/en/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-resources/keeping-a-lid-on-blood-pressure-during-the-coronavirus-crisis
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 25, 2021, 10:46:29 AM
Thanks to 4 years of at sea duty and my poor mental coping skills, I have developed hypertension which at times - even here on shore duty - borders on severe condtions (190/120 or greater). As a result, I now qualify for DC's vaccine priority distribution. Hooray.
Jeez dude, please take care of yourself. I have high BP and have been on Losartin for a few years, but mine has never been that high.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2021, 11:31:44 AM
Thanks to 4 years of at sea duty and my poor mental coping skills, I have developed hypertension which at times - even here on shore duty - borders on severe condtions (190/120 or greater). As a result, I now qualify for DC's vaccine priority distribution. Hooray.
take care of yourself cato. we can't have you stroking out or your heart pooping out on us. think of the board bro
(seriously though, take care of yourself homie)
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 11:33:08 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 11:34:02 AM
Thanks guys, I’m on meds.
Weed isn't meds.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Weed isn't meds.
I don’t smoke weed.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
Damn, that's high. I'm on meds for hypertension too. Mine is genetic (thanks Dad).
I haven't been to the doctor in twelve years.
IF I DIE, I DIE
(I will get that vaccine though)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
I don’t smoke weed.Or you smoked so much you don't remember.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 12:02:16 PM
Or you smoked so much you don't remember.
Wouldn’t still be in the military if that were the case, bruh.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2021, 12:06:58 PM
I don’t smoke weed.
Let’s not rule it out
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2021, 12:07:33 PM
I haven't been to the doctor in twelve years.
IF I DIE, I DIE
(I will get that vaccine though)
This made me feel better, I’m going on like 6-8 years
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 12:10:58 PM
Weed isn't meds.
Technically it is, at least in any right thinking part of the world.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 12:17:43 PM
Technically it is, at least in any right thinking part of the world.Don't you have some hard butter to try in vain to spread?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 12:25:56 PM
This made me feel better, I’m going on like 6-8 years
My pizza is very upset about this, but I do not care.
Here's how I see it:
Doctor: You have a terminal illness that wouldn't exist if you hadn't made this appointment. Also, stop eating so much bread.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 12:34:49 PM
My pizza is very upset about this, but I do not care.
Here's how I see it:
Doctor: You have a terminal illness that wouldn't exist if you hadn't made this appointment. Also, stop eating so much bread.
I didn't go for a lot of years, but now I am old and need an inspection occasionally. Thus far I have resisted having the doctor shove his finger up my derriere and I don't think he's particularly motivated to press the issue.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 12:47:03 PM
My pizza is very upset about this, but I do not care.
Here's how I see it:
Doctor: You have a terminal illness that wouldn't exist if you hadn't made this appointment. Also, stop eating so much bread.
Or you could find something minor now before it creates years of problems. I get it, no one wants to go to the doctor and most everyone is afraid of going because they may find something. I didn't go regularly for several years because I was afraid of finding some terminal disease, which I know is retarded, but still. Once I had kids, it was less about me anymore. They deserve to have me around ruining their lives for as long as possible.
What I underestimated was how much better I felt knowing the truth, and not wondering what's under the hood. So much less anxious. Yeah, I have a few minor things, like every other 40-something year old dude. But I know what they are, they aren't gonna kill me, and I know I'm doing all the right stuff to manage it. For a chronic worrier like me, that was the best medicine.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 12:57:10 PM
like every other 40-something year old dude.
I didn't think you were that old.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 01:05:35 PM
I didn't think you were that old.Yeah, me and Guinness are the same age. I'm just real immature.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2021, 01:07:45 PM
Yeah, me and Guinness are the same age. I'm just real immature.
I was thinking more of your youthful looks, but sure. Immaturity works as well.
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 01:09:37 PM
Yeah, me and Guinness are the same age. I'm just real immature.
I think i'm the same age as guinness too. #eskimobrothers
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 01:10:11 PM
I was thinking more of your youthful looks, but sure. Immaturity works as well.Thank you for the compliment.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 01:11:03 PM
I think i'm the same age as guinness too. #eskimobrothers#alcoholisapreservative?
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
#alcoholisapreservative?
i eat alot of garlic
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 01:16:39 PM
i eat alot of garlicMy farts cure cancer.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 25, 2021, 01:20:10 PM
Or you could find something minor now before it creates years of problems. I get it, no one wants to go to the doctor and most everyone is afraid of going because they may find something. I didn't go regularly for several years because I was afraid of finding some terminal disease, which I know is retarded, but still. Once I had kids, it was less about me anymore. They deserve to have me around ruining their lives for as long as possible.
What I underestimated was how much better I felt knowing the truth, and not wondering what's under the hood. So much less anxious. Yeah, I have a few minor things, like every other 40-something year old dude. But I know what they are, they aren't gonna kill me, and I know I'm doing all the right stuff to manage it. For a chronic worrier like me, that was the best medicine.
+1
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2021, 01:22:49 PM
I'm not dead yet and my poop went back to normal so it worked out. This was about 4 years ago.
Post by: MBGreen on February 25, 2021, 01:35:47 PM
One time my poop was weird so I went to the doctor about it and they asked for a stool sample, which isn't the easiest ask, but I managed to collect it and bring it in, and then they never called me again.
I'm not dead yet and my poop went back to normal so it worked out. This was about 4 years ago.
stop eating at Shillas
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 01:59:28 PM
One time my poop was weird so I went to the doctor about it and they asked for a stool sample, which isn't the easiest ask, but I managed to collect it and bring it in, and then they never called me again.Now they have your DNA!!1
I'm not dead yet and my poop went back to normal so it worked out. This was about 4 years ago.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2021, 02:05:57 PM
One time my poop was weird so I went to the doctor about it and they asked for a stool sample, which isn't the easiest ask, but I managed to collect it and bring it in, and then they never called me again.
I'm not dead yet and my poop went back to normal so it worked out. This was about 4 years ago.
They microchipped your turd
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2021, 02:14:11 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 25, 2021, 02:52:40 PM
Post by: Badger on February 27, 2021, 08:16:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 27, 2021, 09:53:47 PM
And go eat some God damn oatmeal with your crazy cholesterol and blood pressures
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2021, 09:47:14 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/five-more-new-york-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-bringing-state-total-to-11/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/hpjart/status/1234558091640877070?s=21
1 year ago
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2021, 02:43:30 PM
abymul is lucky the chemtrails got him first
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 02, 2021, 02:44:39 PM
Texas should not be lifting their mask mandate.
Edit: F U, Heiss.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2021, 03:09:13 PM
Can't wait to see the grocery store tonight.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o6Ztl6dMLMXd3QqZy/source.gif)
Post by: delavan on March 02, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2021, 04:17:31 PM
Mississippi joined Texas - false start imo although there's prolly gonna be lots of sucking & fvcking goin on
Need to keep those infection and death rates up so as not to make the golden calf look bad.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2021, 04:20:30 PM
Mississippi joined Texas - false start imo although there's prolly gonna be lots of sucking & fvcking goin onSex won't change in Mississippi because families were already allowed to be together unmasked.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2021, 08:17:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2021, 07:16:53 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 03, 2021, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2021, 02:15:31 PM
President @JoeBiden said every adult in the U.S. will be able to get a #Coronavirus vaccination by the end of May, due to increases in production; moving up the timeline from the end of July to May
Pretty sure the quote I read was there will be enough vaccines for every adult by the end of May.
But not every adult who wants one will be able to get it due to supply and distribution issues
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2021, 04:30:07 PM
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 09:02:11 AM
(https://i.gifer.com/1Zwf.gif)
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 04, 2021, 09:03:58 AM
Spring break coming up. Texas, Mississippi 100% open with no masks. Florida never gave a freak. Gulf coast covid:
(https://i.gifer.com/1Zwf.gif)
RIP Third Coast.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 09:06:01 AM
(https://i2.wp.com/foolsboneheadsandjackasses.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/videotogif_2018.03.19_09.11.32.gif?resize=360%2C445&ssl=1)
Actually, that's a pretty good choice for the top guy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 04, 2021, 09:07:55 AM
Don't worry, people are smart enough to make their own decisions.
(https://i2.wp.com/foolsboneheadsandjackasses.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/videotogif_2018.03.19_09.11.32.gif?resize=360%2C445&ssl=1)
Actually, that's a pretty good choice for the top guy.
I mean, the one with his back to her is just drinking beer. None of that can is going onto her.
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 09:10:01 AM
EDIT: nvm, i see the guy's beercan
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 10:09:11 AM
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 10:16:17 AM
https://twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1367507327474139138?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
Abbott outdoing himself
https://twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1367507327474139138?s=19
spoonfeedjizztoconservatives.gif
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 04, 2021, 10:55:41 AM
Abbott outdoing himself
https://twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1367507327474139138?s=19
What a freaking poopchute.
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 11:10:46 AM
What a freaking poopchute.
How do these barbarians get elected
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 04, 2021, 12:30:39 PM
How do these barbarians get elected
Why is it easier for an American to acquire a gun than to vote?
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
Why is it easier for an American to acquire a gun than to vote?Wait til laser blasters come out
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
Why is it easier for an American to acquire a gun than to vote?
It's not
Though i guess this depends on what state you live in, and what kind of gun
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 04:08:21 PM
It's not"It's not, except when it is"
Though i guess this depends on what state you live in, and what kind of gun
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2021, 04:16:39 PM
"It's not, except when it is"
His statement was a generalization.
So was mine.
Obviously there's going to be exceptions to the rule
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 04:19:28 PM
Tweaking for accuracy doesn't really make the statement less rhetorically impactful, so
Why is it easier for an American to acquire a gun than to vote in some states?
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Quote
The Health Department worked on the report with McKinsey, a consulting firm hired by Mr. Cuomo to help with the pandemic response. The chart they created compared nursing home deaths in New York with other states. New York’s total of 9,250 deaths far exceeded that of the next-highest state, New Jersey, which had 6,150 at the time.
Whole article is worth a browse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/nyregion/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths.html
Post by: reuben on March 04, 2021, 10:59:51 PM
McKinsey sighting!
Whole article is worth a browse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/nyregion/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths.html
McKinsey: You guys are crushing it in Nursing Home Deaths, nice work
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2021, 12:39:51 PM
Just got the J&J vaccine. Thank you, Glorious Leader (c).I'm jelly...I continue to live in fear
Post by: IATA on March 06, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
I'm jelly...I continue to live in fear
dont worry, by the end of the month there will be 7 million more doses for the provincial leaders to mismanage and vaccinate their friends first with!
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 06, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
I'm jelly...I continue to live in fear
I still have 29 days of living in fear before it's fully effective.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 07, 2021, 08:18:18 AM
Just got the J&J vaccine. Thank you, Glorious Leader (c).
That's awesome. How was it? Any side effects?
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2021, 08:55:45 AM
That's awesome. How was it? Any side effects?
Cold chills and headaches starting about 7-8 hours after inoculation and lasting for about 5-7 hours. Not fun.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2021, 08:58:04 AM
Cold chills and headaches about 7-8 hours after inoculation. Not fun.It's the microchip. Bill Gates test drives your body a little first before you become his zombie.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 07, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
It's the microchip. Bill Gates test drives your body a little first before you become his zombie.
He's going to be so mad when he realizes how much of me already belongs to Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai.
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2021, 11:55:43 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2021, 01:29:50 PM
What could go wrong?
Post by: delavan on March 07, 2021, 02:13:26 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Social_distance_feet_%2849882810368%29.jpg/320px-Social_distance_feet_%2849882810368%29.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Surgical_face_mask.jpg/320px-Surgical_face_mask.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Injection_Syringe_01.jpg/173px-Injection_Syringe_01.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Alcohol_bottles.jpg/320px-Alcohol_bottles.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Vomiting_Erbrechen_drunk.jpg/110px-Vomiting_Erbrechen_drunk.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Vomiting_Erbrechen_drunk.jpg/110px-Vomiting_Erbrechen_drunk.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/AK47_Autofloraison_de_Fatbush_Seeds.jpg/135px-AK47_Autofloraison_de_Fatbush_Seeds.jpg)
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2021, 08:08:48 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 11, 2021, 08:32:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 10:30:31 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 21, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Post by: Gorilla on March 21, 2021, 11:28:33 AM
I received the first dose of the pfizer vaccine yesterday. Aside from light soreness at the injection point and some fatigue, I feel fine.
Yep, I got first Pfizer this week too. Got it in the morning, by that night I had mild aches and some chills.
Next day I was 100% fine.
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2021, 11:44:13 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2021, 12:53:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2021, 01:00:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 21, 2021, 01:13:11 PM
I'm mildly annoyed that I know so many men in their 30s-50s in the US and UK who have neither underlying conditions nor frontline jobs, who are being vaccinated at the moment. I'm probably at least two months away from being able to get it.I'm exceedingly annoyed that restaurant/bar workers were not eligible until I was.
Post by: Gorilla on March 21, 2021, 01:14:43 PM
I got Moderna part 1 last Sunday and basically just had 48 hrs arm soreness.
Wife got Moderna a couple months ago and experienced the same, a sore arm the following day. Second dose was a different story for her...next day body aches and chills, but she was fine after Tylenol. It basically only lasted that second day, and then back to normal quickly.
Post by: Johnny English on March 21, 2021, 01:29:42 PM
I'm exceedingly annoyed that restaurant/bar workers were not eligible until I was.
Yeah, very different situations either side of the border. You guys are doing a free for all with large amounts of vaccine (or so it appears), while we're very tightly controlling eligible groups with much more limited supplies because we are entirely dependent upon other countries sending it to us.
All of our LTC home residents, staff and visitors are fully vaccinated, now it's anyone over the age of 75 or 80 (depending on your county) along with anyone in the 60-64 age bracket for AZ (because I believe it's not approved for anyone over 65). Their target is that every eligible adult in the province who wants a vaccine will be able to have had their first shot by June 20th, with projections that they should be able to get there earlier if supplies arrive as projected.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2021, 01:43:30 PM
Yeah, very different situations either side of the border. You guys are doing a free for all with large amounts of vaccine (or so it appears), while we're very tightly controlling eligible groups with much more limited supplies because we are entirely dependent upon other countries sending it to us.I was in the correct phase to get one based on my job. I had to search high and low to get one. In Virginia, you pretty much had to be over 65 or a hospital worker to get one until last week.
All of our LTC home residents, staff and visitors are fully vaccinated, now it's anyone over the age of 75 or 80 (depending on your county) along with anyone in the 60-64 age bracket for AZ (because I believe it's not approved for anyone over 65). Their target is that every eligible adult in the province who wants a vaccine will be able to have had their first shot by June 20th, with projections that they should be able to get there earlier if supplies arrive as projected.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 21, 2021, 02:14:48 PM
I was in the correct phase to get one based on my job. I had to search high and low to get one. In Virginia, you pretty much had to be over 65 or a hospital worker to get one until last week.
DC opened up vaccines to 18-65 with qualifying medical conditions three weeks ago. Somehow restaurant/bar/delivery staff were not allowed before that despite being marked as "essential" workers.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2021, 07:38:57 PM
Thread
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2021, 08:41:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2021, 08:17:21 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 24, 2021, 08:31:42 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2021, 09:12:00 AM
https://twitter.com/iansmithfitness/status/1374435699668127744?s=21
His whole Twitter feed is like a well written parody. What a massive dickhead he is.
Post by: MBGreen on March 24, 2021, 09:21:47 AM
IS manages a gym now?
lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2021, 10:40:16 AM
His whole Twitter feed is like a well written parody. What a massive dickhead he is.
He killed a 17 year old kid via DUI in 2007. Complete scum.
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2021, 08:34:23 PM
(https://i.redd.it/8d9q58ix9ep61.png)
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2021, 09:32:27 PM
Muh economy
(https://i.redd.it/8d9q58ix9ep61.png)
Liberal cancel culture strikes again
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2021, 10:25:15 AM
2015 - 2,712,630
2016 - 2,744,248
2017 - 2,813,503
2018 - 2,839,205
2019 - 2,854, 838
2020 - 3,365,319
+510,481
+17.9%
Largest year-to-year increase in 102 years.
Covid isn’t real.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Post by: Heismanberg on March 29, 2021, 10:46:01 AM
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2021, 11:34:43 AM
United States total deaths by year:They died from not being able to go to Fuddruckers
2015 - 2,712,630
2016 - 2,744,248
2017 - 2,813,503
2018 - 2,839,205
2019 - 2,854, 838
2020 - 3,365,319
+510,481
+17.9%
Largest year-to-year increase in 102 years.
Covid isn’t real.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Post by: delavan on March 29, 2021, 12:48:14 PM
No Fuddruckers in New York. Nursing homes yes, Fuddruckers no.
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2021, 01:49:55 PM
No Fuddruckers in New York. Nursing homes yes, Fuddruckers no.If they lived at Fuddruckers they would have survived by eating ostrich burgers.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2021, 10:36:09 AM
Been seeing all different variations of this type of thread topic (just about getting the vaccine in general) and man they are a trip
Post by: delavan on March 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/texas-coronavirus-cases.html
?
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2021, 09:05:04 PM
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2021, 09:12:32 PM
Aubrey Huff is an ex-professional Baseball player and anti-vaxxer who has released three books. Why The Man Is King In His House, What To Do When Your Wife Leaves You, and Single Dads Digest
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 30, 2021, 09:23:08 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/onbfuneh68q61.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a348c25ed6a611d0e1ddb52cfa68b1fbd591fd83)I hope the power source fails on his ventilator.
Aubrey Huff is an ex-professional Baseball player and anti-vaxxer who has released three books. Why The Man Is King In His House, What To Do When Your Wife Leaves You, and Single Dads Digest
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 09:30:35 PM
(https://cdn.nashvillescene.com/files/base/scomm/nvs/image/2010/04/960w/68815_stonedhippies.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2021, 05:20:38 AM
Me and JE this summer
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2021, 07:02:57 AM
https://twitter.com/treblaw/status/1377012305859317761?s=21
Me and JE this summer
**vaccinated people who respond appropriately to the vaccine
Maybe next summer
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2021, 05:51:43 PM
Go ahead and insert your own Jets joke here.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2021, 10:11:35 PM
“ NEW - France is going into a 4-weeklockdown. Shops to close in that country along with schools, and a 7pm curfew going into place.”
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2021, 06:53:13 AM
https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1377333108010332161?s=21
“ NEW - France is going into a 4-weeklockdown. Shops to close in that country along with schools, and a 7pm curfew going into place.”
Sucks that's happening with France, but excrement if a new variant rises that really fucks young people up in notable numbers, I think that excrement could quickly get darker than any other point during this mess
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 01, 2021, 09:48:07 AM
https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1377333108010332161?s=21
“ NEW - France is going into a 4-weeklockdown. Shops to close in that country along with schools, and a 7pm curfew going into place.”
And here's New York, with its own homegrown variant, and cases piling up again, opening everything back up like "Whatevs"
Nice to know a politician can get repeatedly hit with sexual misconduct accusations and just put the public's health at risk to shift the narrative.
We're about 4-5 days from Orthodox neighborhoods spiking and about 12 from all the Easter celebrations leading to another.
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2021, 10:00:30 AM
And here's New York, with its own homegrown variant, and cases piling up again, opening everything back up like "Whatevs"
Speaking of variants, one of those NYC Health ads came on the tv the other evening and I misheard "variants" as "Bavarians" and my brain had a moment of very unusual processing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 01, 2021, 10:01:46 AM
Speaking of variants, one of those NYC Health ads came on the tv the other evening and I misheard "variants" as "Bavarians" and my brain had a moment of very unusual processing.
Bavarians can be very dangerous.
Post by: Johnny English on April 01, 2021, 10:30:00 AM
Bavarians can be very dangerous.
Bavarians Of Concern have definitely been a thing before.
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
https://youtu.be/_VK6XdOWeww
Post by: delavan on April 01, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2021, 02:40:30 PM
I'm hearing 'Marianne's'(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210401/d8fa9406460680b83ef4ca8ec55b0e41.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 01, 2021, 02:44:46 PM
I've actually read that pull ups prevent COVID-19. Too bad Marjie didn't do any.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2021, 03:09:12 PM
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1377614474862006279?s=19I'd take a 5th round flyer on her to replace Ficken.
I've actually read that pull ups prevent COVID-19. Too bad Marjie didn't do any.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 01, 2021, 11:00:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1377614474862006279?s=19
I've actually read that pull ups prevent COVID-19. Too bad Marjie didn't do any.
In her defense 78% of covid hospitalizations are obese
But that crossfit bullshit has to get the freak outta here
Though I'm pretty sure 99% of 50 year old ladies can't do that excrement
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 01, 2021, 11:06:29 PM
In her defense 78% of covid hospitalizations are obese
But that crossfit bullshit has to get the freak outta here
Though I'm pretty sure 99% of 50 year old ladies can't do that excrement
Who the freak cares?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2021, 01:48:19 AM
Who the freak cares?
I mean you cared enough to comment on her not doing pullups?
I could give a excrement about the woman. Just giving credit where it's due
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2021, 06:49:40 AM
I mean you cared enough to comment on her not doing pullups?https://twitter.com/corypalmer/status/1377790339193397258?s=19
I could give a excrement about the woman. Just giving credit where it's due
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2021, 07:07:28 AM
https://twitter.com/corypalmer/status/1377790339193397258?s=19
Doubt it was intended but he legit squeels like a pig
Post by: delavan on April 02, 2021, 11:39:20 AM
I mean you cared enough to comment on her not doing pullups?
I could give a excrement about the woman. Just giving credit where it's due
I know, don't be that guy ... but Cato's right, that was about momentum not pull-ups.
And dropping/bouncing weights from that height is a very annoying 'gym poopchute' move.
Dodgy public service meets trailer park look at me/hold my beer. White trash gash.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
I know, don't be that guy ... but Cato's right, that was about momentum not pull-ups.
And dropping/bouncing weights from that height is a very annoying 'gym poopchute' move.
Dodgy public service meets trailer park look at me/hold my beer. White trash gash.
Especially when it's a pair of 25lb bumpers, including the bar she's got less than 100lbs in her hands. No need to be flinging it on the floor like she's just gone full Holly Mangold.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Especially when it's a pair of 25lb bumpers, including the bar she's got less than 100lbs in her hands. No need to be flinging it on the floor like she's just gone full Holly Mangold.
NO TIME TO SET THE BAR DOWN IT'S GOING TO MESS UP MY SCORE!!!!1!111!1!2
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2021, 04:46:12 PM
I know, don't be that guy ... but Cato's right, that was about momentum not pull-ups.
And dropping/bouncing weights from that height is a very annoying 'gym poopchute' move.
Dodgy public service meets trailer park look at me/hold my beer. White trash gash.
I agreed that it's by no means a pull-up that's why I said it was some crossfit bullshit. I'm fairly certain that's some retarded kipup type nincompoopery.
My only favorable point towards her is the average American can't even get out of freaking bed without almost having a stroke. So even some retarded crossfit bullshit, especially as a 50 year old woman, is way above average.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2021, 05:15:51 PM
I agreed that it's by no means a pull-up that's why I said it was some crossfit bullshit. I'm fairly certain that's some retarded kipup type nincompoopery.
My only favorable point towards her is the average American can't even get out of freaking bed without almost having a stroke. So even some retarded crossfit bullshit, especially as a 50 year old woman, is way above average.
I USED TO WAKE UP AT 4:30 AM TO WORK OUT I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN MOST OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2021, 05:19:08 PM
I agreed that it's by no means a pull-up that's why I said it was some crossfit bullshit. I'm fairly certain that's some retarded kipup type nincompoopery.Good for her probably being in better shape than others her age. Not sure what that flurry of exertion was though.
My only favorable point towards her is the average American can't even get out of freaking bed without almost having a stroke. So even some retarded crossfit bullshit, especially as a 50 year old woman, is way above average.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 02, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2021, 06:48:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2021, 08:31:46 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2021, 10:21:43 PM
I USED TO WAKE UP AT 4:30 AM TO WORK OUT I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN MOST OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!
Calm down dude
I don't want to get your blood pressure up
But I don't give two shits about what time I so or don't get up and work out. I by no means think I'm in great shape.
I think we just live in a world where people are their own worst enemies. And I the sickest people in the hospitals are usually people who neglected the freak out of themselves for years.
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2021, 11:01:26 AM
(https://i.redd.it/av03lp1umvq61.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 03, 2021, 12:55:01 PM
All hypeIt's just Dems offing themselves to make Trump look bad.
(https://i.redd.it/av03lp1umvq61.png)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 05, 2021, 07:25:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 05, 2021, 07:25:37 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2021, 07:31:04 PM
https://twitter.com/haudricourt/status/1379103341922422788?s=21
Cucks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 05, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 05, 2021, 08:54:50 PM
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 08:58:42 PM
Bro don’t you know that they’re just counting every death as a covid death, do some research instead of listening to the mainstream mediaI heard black people in Georgia were dying multiple times in different precincts to make Trump look bad.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2021, 09:07:25 PM
I heard black people in Georgia were dying multiple times in different precincts to make Trump look bad.
This might be the funniest thing I read on the internet this week. Well played.
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2021, 12:21:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2021, 12:22:11 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-hygiene-cleaning-surfaces.htmlYaaay I can resume licking the shelves at Home Depot!
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2021, 12:54:37 PM
Yaaay I can resume licking the shelves at Home Depot!
If they wanted me to ever stop then they shouldn't have made them so damn tasty.
Post by: delavan on April 08, 2021, 02:49:35 PM
If they wanted me to ever stop then they shouldn't have made them so damn tasty.
Is there a shelf life on that type of behavior?
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2021, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 09:43:45 PM
Really informative thread on the vaccines and herd immunity
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2021, 06:52:26 AM
Great....
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 13, 2021, 07:29:57 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/us-regulators-reportedly-call-for-pause-in-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-due-to-clotting-issues.htmlYay! I have a plane trip in two weeks!
Great....
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 13, 2021, 08:16:51 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 13, 2021, 08:27:46 AM
Classic Johnson family shenanigans
force them to sell
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
https://twitter.com/JonHardister/status/1383458417294020613?s=19
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2021, 09:10:20 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 18, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 18, 2021, 10:19:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2021, 07:26:54 AM
Ontario announced that anyone over the age of 40 will be able to get AZ as of Tuesday. Quite why my lazy stay at home derriere needs it ahead of a frontline worker who's ten years younger is beyond my comprehension, but I'll do it anyway.
Alberta has followed suit.
Manitoba, due to severe retardation at the gov't level, has not.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2021, 07:41:36 AM
Alberta has followed suit.Shouldn't have any cold storage issues there, just leave that excrement outside.
Manitoba, due to severe retardation at the gov't level, has not.
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2021, 07:46:28 AM
Shouldn't have any cold storage issues there, just leave that excrement outside.
Apparently we have thousands of Astra-Zeneca vaccine doses about to expire because the troglodytes that run our provincial govt won't lower the eligibility age. I really do hate living here.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2021, 07:49:55 AM
Apparently we have thousands of Astra-Zeneca vaccine doses about to expire because the troglodytes that run our provincial govt won't lower the eligibility age. I really do hate living here.Just tell them you are 95 years old, they should believe you.
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 07:53:13 AM
Apparently we have thousands of Astra-Zeneca vaccine doses about to expire because the troglodytes that run our provincial govt won't lower the eligibility age. I really do hate living here.
ontario has over a million doses sitting unused, but is still blaming the feds for not giving us any. the new AZ guidance was announced last week, but our fat freaking moron premier cant read and his cabinet is full of morons.
we got a problem with middle aged fuckfaces vaccine shopping and its screwing over other people, too.
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2021, 08:06:25 AM
ontario has over a million doses sitting unused, but is still blaming the feds for not giving us any. the new AZ guidance was announced last week, but our fat freaking moron premier cant read and his cabinet is full of morons.
we got a problem with middle aged fuckfaces vaccine shopping and its screwing over other people, too.
You know what the common denominator is here: Our provinces are run by PC gov'ts.
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2021, 08:07:33 AM
Just tell them you are 95 years old, they should believe you.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/57bb4d78db4dd3a397046a138e6fec3d/tenor.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 09:08:35 AM
You know what the common denominator is here: Our provinces are run by PC gov'ts.
excrement's getting really fun here. Trudeau said that he was willing to send Federal help in terms of additional medical resources to help the Ontario medical system. Ford said he didn't want Federal help. Then Trudeau did a press conference yesterday basically saying that he was sending help whether Ford wanted it or not. As yet Ford has not responded, but he's basically faced with a choice of accepting it and admitting that he has failed, or refusing it and having the voting public turn on him even more. If he refuses it again, Trudeau can invoke the Emergencies Act and override him; Jagmeet Singh has already publicly requested that Trudeau do it.
And while this was all going on, WaPo ran an op ed explaning why Ford has been such an abject failure of a leader and must resign.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/18/ontario-covid-lockdown-doug-ford-canada/
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2021, 09:17:23 AM
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Bartley Kives
@bkives
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Manitoba is making the AstraZeneca #Covid19 vaccine available to anyone 40 or over - with no health preconditions, a government source confirms.
Formal announcement to come.
Looks like my death threats got thru
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2021, 09:21:06 AM
Looks like my death threats got thru
I'll mail you a celebratory Beef n' Cheddar.
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 09:21:40 AM
excrement's getting really fun here. Trudeau said that he was willing to send Federal help in terms of additional medical resources to help the Ontario medical system. Ford said he didn't want Federal help. Then Trudeau did a press conference yesterday basically saying that he was sending help whether Ford wanted it or not. As yet Ford has not responded, but he's basically faced with a choice of accepting it and admitting that he has failed, or refusing it and having the voting public turn on him even more. If he refuses it again, Trudeau can invoke the Emergencies Act and override him; Jagmeet Singh has already publicly requested that Trudeau do it.Ford won't resign AND hell win re-election because the libs and NDP don't appear to give much of a freak about winning.
And while this was all going on, WaPo ran an op ed explaning why Ford has been such an abject failure of a leader and must resign.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/18/ontario-covid-lockdown-doug-ford-canada/
It's really freaking frustrating having 2 school aged kids doing elearning while trying to work from home myself, and Doug continues to decline any more assistance for anyone.
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 09:35:30 AM
Ford won't resign AND hell win re-election because the libs and NDP don't appear to give much of a freak about winning.
It's really freaking frustrating having 2 school aged kids doing elearning while trying to work from home myself, and Doug continues to decline any more assistance for anyone.
I suspect that OPC might oust him on their own, he genuinely could hurt enough MPPs in marginal seats that they'll consider it. We've already seen the party start to splinter with some of the wingnuts like Hillier, no one's jumping on the Del Duca bandwagon but I can see the Dips and Libs picking off some more marginal PC seats by playing the Doug Ford angle. Just like we saw three years ago, hatred of the existing leader is enough to drive a lot of voting behaviour and Ford has done way more bad excrement and made people a lot more specifically angry than Wynne ever did.
I'm really hoping that some of the further right dicks like Hillier and that little fascist queynte whose name I forget down your neck of the woods will leave the PCs for that new party and splinter the right wing vote, that could open up a few more seats for grown ups.
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 11:05:42 AM
I suspect that OPC might oust him on their own, he genuinely could hurt enough MPPs in marginal seats that they'll consider it. We've already seen the party start to splinter with some of the wingnuts like Hillier, no one's jumping on the Del Duca bandwagon but I can see the Dips and Libs picking off some more marginal PC seats by playing the Doug Ford angle. Just like we saw three years ago, hatred of the existing leader is enough to drive a lot of voting behaviour and Ford has done way more bad excrement and made people a lot more specifically angry than Wynne ever did.The cons won't do excrement, Doug is selling the greenbelt to his construction bigwig holders just like the cons want. Doug is taking all the brunt of this pandemic mismanagement and refusal to give back the sick days he took. And they know hell win again, cause rural Ontario is made up of pretty much entirely morons.
I'm really hoping that some of the further right dicks like Hillier and that little fascist queynte whose name I forget down your neck of the woods will leave the PCs for that new party and splinter the right wing vote, that could open up a few more seats for grown ups.
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 12:00:35 PM
The cons won't do excrement, Doug is selling the greenbelt to his construction bigwig holders just like the cons want. Doug is taking all the brunt of this pandemic mismanagement and refusal to give back the sick days he took. And they know hell win again, cause rural Ontario is made up of pretty much entirely morons.
I dunno, man. Where I am is staunchly conservative and we actually have a really good MPP who is excellent at community work, but pretty much everyone here seems to uniformly hate Ford. There's no question that the riding will go Con again next year, because somehow they've managed to convince union tradesmen and farmers that they're better for them than the NDP, but if people round here are so set against the Conservative leader then I can only imagine the kind of impact it could have in marginal seats where the Cons have a far weaker grasp. Go north of Barrie and it's a sea of orange, so it's not like the Cons have a death grip on rural areas. It was the GTA suburbs that swung it for them last time out and they could easily swing again.
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2021, 12:05:27 PM
Went from "oh excrement, is Manitoba gonna freak up this rollout some more?" to "I just booked my vaccination apt for next Tues".
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 19, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
I dunno, man. Where I am is staunchly conservative and we actually have a really good MPP who is excellent at community work, but pretty much everyone here seems to uniformly hate Ford. There's no question that the riding will go Con again next year, because somehow they've managed to convince union tradesmen and farmers that they're better for them than the NDP, but if people round here are so set against the Conservative leader then I can only imagine the kind of impact it could have in marginal seats where the Cons have a far weaker grasp. Go north of Barrie and it's a sea of orange, so it's not like the Cons have a death grip on rural areas. It was the GTA suburbs that swung it for them last time out and they could easily swing again.You're in the GTA. Rural Ontario is where the morons would vote for a bag of excrement if it was blue.
I'm surrounded by these incompetent people. Ernie Hardeman is out MPP and the useless piece of excrement has been our rep for years and has accomplished absolute dick all. He wins cause he is blue.
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 08:18:54 PM
You're in the GTA. Rural Ontario is where the morons would vote for a bag of excrement if it was blue.
I'm surrounded by these incompetent people. Ernie Hardeman is out MPP and the useless piece of excrement has been our rep for years and has accomplished absolute dick all. He wins cause he is blue.
I am not in the GTA and haven't been since December, I live just outside Cornwall. I am very much in rural Ontario.
Jim McDonell is our MPP and from first hand experience he's a good guy who does good constituency work. He'll win again handily, but like I said, GTA suburbs and even Ottawa suburbs like Kanata hold the key.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2021, 09:49:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 19, 2021, 10:04:36 PM
You live in San Andreas or Vice City?
Los Santos
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 10:22:24 PM
You live in San Andreas or Vice City?
Well, neither. Because like I said, I'm not in the GTA any more. (Greater Toronto Area.)
Post by: Badger on April 21, 2021, 02:17:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2021, 12:12:21 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mvicaw/doctors_of_reddit_what_happened_when_you
🎭
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 22, 2021, 10:50:55 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mvicaw/doctors_of_reddit_what_happened_when_you
last summer a good friend of mine was taking care of a nurse who would continually shout at him about how much of a bullshit hoax covid was as her oxygen saturations continually dropped into the low 80s when she got up and starting moving around the room
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2021, 11:16:07 PM
On a side note the vaccine works majorly
Took care of a chronically ill 97 year old with Rona and he didn't even need supplemental oxygen.
freaking hippie antivaxxers need to die off
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2021, 06:54:40 AM
I will say (almost?) every person with severe covid I've seen under 40 has been someone either severely chronically ill or has some tremendous self neglect going on.Yeah dude
On a side note the vaccine works majorly
Took care of a chronically ill 97 year old with Rona and he didn't even need supplemental oxygen.
freaking hippie antivaxxers need to die off
https://twitter.com/catherinekirby/status/1384212566239371277?s=19
https://twitter.com/Susan77237285/status/1384303599539277829?s=19
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1382672820048687104?s=19
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2021, 05:14:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2021, 03:42:31 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2021, 08:25:19 AM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2021, 08:34:16 AM
Tucker Carlson needs to get got.Whoa slow down with the violent rhetoric, Congresswoman Waters
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2021, 08:50:38 AM
Tucker Carlson needs to get got.
A nice Sackler-like family scandal would do.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2021, 08:57:54 AM
Tucker Carlson needs to get got.
Whoa slow down with the violent rhetoric, Congresswoman Waters
I hope he dies on the toilet after eating some raw oysters in a month that doesn't contain an R.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2021, 10:03:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2021, 10:07:01 AM
Got my first shot of Astra Zeneca ....LFG
Godspeed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2021, 10:09:49 AM
Tucker Carlson needs to get got.
https://twitter.com/sc0ttst0tts/status/1384828981049012226?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Got my first shot of Astra Zeneca ....LFGYou are essentially immortal now.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2021, 08:53:21 PM
Bit nauseous, and my left arm is all but useless right now. Starting to feel a bit like a cold is coming on, but overall I can't complain.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2021, 08:54:24 PM
Got my second Pfizer this afternoon.Just hold on through tomorrow and you should feel fine by draft day.
Bit nauseous, and my left arm is all but useless right now. Starting to feel a bit like a cold is coming on, but overall I can't complain.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Just hold on through tomorrow and you should feel fine by draft day.
Yeah, the day after seems to be the low-point for most.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2021, 09:37:50 PM
Got my second Pfizer this afternoon.
Bit nauseous, and my left arm is all but useless right now. Starting to feel a bit like a cold is coming on, but overall I can't complain.
I got wrecked by Pfizer round two the day after...
Chills, fever, flu-like weakness
It only lasted a few hours though
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2021, 06:43:40 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 06:58:12 AM
Pfizer day 2 on draft day 2 for me
*Stone Gossard face melting guitar solo*
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2021, 07:19:45 AM
I got wrecked by Pfizer round two the day after...
Chills, fever, flu-like weakness
It only lasted a few hours though
I don't have symptoms and it's the next morning now but my left arm is practically useless and the pain in it woke me up multiple times last night so tired af
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 07:21:55 AM
I don't have symptoms and it's the next morning now but my left arm is practically useless and the pain in it woke me up multiple times last night so tired af
I went through this last night. Very mild symptoms (slight headache, fatigue)...but the arm pain had me tossing and turning all night.
Mrs. MB had it worse. Nausea, Fever, chills, sore arm....the whole pkg.
Can't wait for the 2nd shot.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2021, 07:24:31 AM
I went through this last night. Very mild symptoms (slight headache, fatigue)...but the arm pain had me tossing and turning all night.
Mrs. MB had it worse. Nausea, Fever, chills, sore arm....the whole pkg.
Can't wait for the 2nd shot.
Same deal here. Mrs. Fool basically had the flu for 3 days after her #2.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 07:26:27 AM
Same deal here. Mrs. Fool basically had the flu for 3 days after her #2.
Oof....Mrs. MB won't like that.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2021, 07:35:56 AM
I don't have symptoms and it's the next morning now but my left arm is practically useless and the pain in it woke me up multiple times last night so tired af
It sounds like you absolutely have symptoms.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2021, 07:37:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 07:46:42 AM
I had the same excrement most have after the 2nd one. Achy, tired, but functional. It also made me fat and lazy.
In MB terms, this is called Thursday.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2021, 08:21:15 AM
I went through this last night. Very mild symptoms (slight headache, fatigue)...but the arm pain had me tossing and turning all night.Wow. 1st shot was pretty uneventful for me besides arm soreness.
Mrs. MB had it worse. Nausea, Fever, chills, sore arm....the whole pkg.
Can't wait for the 2nd shot.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2021, 08:22:04 AM
It also made me fat and lazy.
Yeah, mine also ruined my credit score.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2021, 08:29:41 AM
Yeah, mine also ruined my credit score.
Moderna makes you bang fat, ugly broads.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 08:31:20 AM
Moderna makes you bang fat, ugly broads.
you have to bang at least one in your life....just to experience their 110% effort to please.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
I don't have symptoms and it's the next morning now but my left arm is practically useless and the pain in it woke me up multiple times last night so tired af
I didn't start feeling like excrement until about lunch. I was fatigued in the morning, but didn't start having feverish bullshit until noon or so.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2021, 09:34:00 AM
Moderna makes you bang fat, ugly broads.
Like riding a moped. Good fun until your mates catch you.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 09:35:27 AM
Like riding a moped. Good fun until your mates catch you.
this might be the funniest thing you've ever posted.
EDIT: i decided to enshrine this into my sig
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2021, 11:35:48 AM
this might be the funniest thing you've ever posted.That cannot be the first time you've seen/heard that.
EDIT: i decided to enshrine this into my sig
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2021, 11:46:44 AM
Saddle up bitches.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2021, 12:20:56 PM
New York to end restaurant curfew, allow bar seating in NYC starting May as Covid cases dropWe're going to
Saddle up bitches.
A. Rick's!
B. Shilla
C. Ben & Jack's
D. Arby's
Post by: delavan on April 28, 2021, 01:20:52 PM
That cannot be the first time you've seen/heard that.^ This
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2021, 01:21:51 PM
It sounds like you absolutely have symptoms.
Lol, yeah.
At various points today, the nausea has been brink of puking. My arm is dead--unless I try to raise it, in which case it feels like my shoulder is torn. I've had a couple of flashes of fever and a couple of chills, and the body aches and headaches come and go.
Yeah. I'm having symptoms. Just not severe like I've seen from my wife or MIL who had flu-like symptoms for 3 days each.
I didn't start feeling like excrement until about lunch. I was fatigued in the morning, but didn't start having feverish bullshit until noon or so.
Mine ramped up about an hour after I posted that this morning.
Still, I'll take whatever I get from the vaccine. I've watched both my and my wife's direct supervisors get actual Covid, and there's no way I want that excrement.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 01:22:11 PM
^ ThisI dont get out much
Post by: delavan on April 28, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
I dont get out muchYou’re still 24k imb MB.
Like the saying goes anybody can get it up for a fox...takes a man to rail a pig.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2021, 04:14:48 PM
I dont get out muchThat phrase was old when I was in high school. It's like 5% of the internet.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
That phrase was old when I was in high school. It's like 5% of the internet.
cool story bro
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2021, 04:39:48 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2021, 04:48:52 PM
Got Pfizer 1 today
Welcome to Club Elite.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2021, 07:38:31 PM
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2021, 09:38:48 AM
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2021, 09:40:03 AM
I know not many people think like thisThe most correct thing dcm ever posted
But Coronavirus is going to make rich folks a lot of freaking money
Post by: reuben on May 03, 2021, 10:09:48 AM
https://twitter.com/abuttenheim/status/1389184256447066113?s=19
We should trade Ohio to the South for New Mexico.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2021, 02:34:02 PM
https://twitter.com/neekolul/status/1382018250683387906?s=21
Apparently she's actually 23 so it's OK for me to think things.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
On the state website you need to enter your information and answer a couple questions in order to get the pass. It asks when and in which county you received your second dose.
But instead of offering a drop down to select 1 of NY's 62 counties, the page loads a randomized assortment of 6 counties to choose from.
If I refresh the page I have to start over and enter my info again, not a huge deal but tedious. I have done this 6 times and it still hasn't offered Queens as an option.
Thanks Cuomo.
Edit: 7 times, still nothing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 05, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
Thanks Cuomo
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2021, 12:50:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2021, 08:11:34 PM
https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/1389972833095278593?s=21
Thanks Cuomo
So Uhm they're encouraging unvaccinated people to gather in mass at large crowded sporting events?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2021, 08:31:07 PM
So Uhm they're encouraging unvaccinated people to gather in mass at large crowded sporting events?
Unvaccinated seating is 33% capacity with distancing.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2021, 09:06:28 PM
Unvaccinated seating is 33% capacity with distancing.Until they are drunk.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 11, 2021, 05:44:42 AM
The WHO didn’t report any evidence suggesting that currently authorized vaccines would be less effective against the variant.
The variant, known as B.1.617, is being studied by scientists around the world as they try to figure out its role in the fast growing Covid-19 surge in India, which reported more than 366,000 new daily cases on Monday. The variant has already spread to more than 30 countries, according to the WHO, including the U.S., the U.K., France and Japan.
...
The variant became the fourth so classified by the WHO. The U.N. agency has also given the same designation to the B.1.1.7 variant first identified in Southeast England, the B.1.35 variant found in South Africa; and the P.1 variant discovered by researchers in Brazil.
https://twitter.com/newley/status/1391962612850741250?s=21
Post by: MBGreen on May 11, 2021, 07:01:17 AM
The World Health Organization on Monday classified a coronavirus variant first spotted in India as a global “variant of concern,” saying preliminary studies showed it may be more transmissible than some other variants.
The WHO didn’t report any evidence suggesting that currently authorized vaccines would be less effective against the variant.
The variant, known as B.1.617, is being studied by scientists around the world as they try to figure out its role in the fast growing Covid-19 surge in India, which reported more than 366,000 new daily cases on Monday. The variant has already spread to more than 30 countries, according to the WHO, including the U.S., the U.K., France and Japan.
...
The variant became the fourth so classified by the WHO. The U.N. agency has also given the same designation to the B.1.1.7 variant first identified in Southeast England, the B.1.35 variant found in South Africa; and the P.1 variant discovered by researchers in Brazil.
https://twitter.com/newley/status/1391962612850741250?s=21
(https://gasstationburrito.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/mola-ram-indiana-jones-and-the-temple-of-doom1-e1418844090916.jpg?w=300)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 11, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1392216085500399617?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2021, 07:15:37 PM
https://twitter.com/CBCQueensPark/status/1392232340756254720?s=19
https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1392216085500399617?s=19
Whatever decision the Ontario government makes on any level about anything should be disregarded as incorrect, ill informed, corrupt, a barefaced lie, or all four of those things.
As to your first link:
https://twitter.com/robferguson1/status/1392157948957401091
The Feds also told them this last week:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/more-astra-zeneca-doses-1.6017037
Almost certainly this is a failed government attempting to set up a "look how we rescued you" message. The Ontario government is the single worst administration I have ever lived under, and I'm old enough to remember Margaret Thatcher.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 13, 2021, 04:16:59 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/13/cdc-says-fully-vaccinated-americans-no-longer-need-masks-indoors-or-outdoors-most-cases/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/13/cdc-says-fully-vaccinated-americans-no-longer-need-masks-indoors-or-outdoors-most-cases/)
Post by: delavan on May 14, 2021, 04:12:46 PM
Attn: Johnson & Johnson. (get well Gleyber)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2021, 07:53:01 PM
The No. 2 overall pick from the 2019 WNBA Draft will be missing her second straight season due to complications from the virus. After opting out of last season, Durr still isn’t ready to play and has been placed on the full-season suspended list. According to reports, she still has symptoms and has lost over 30 pounds.”
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2021, 08:06:33 PM
On this day in 1796 physician Edward Jenner gives the first successful smallpox vaccination.How did they have vaccines before microchips were invented? Fake news
Attn: Johnson & Johnson. (get well Gleyber)
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2021, 12:02:09 PM
Post by: delavan on May 19, 2021, 05:12:25 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1393932542147977217
Post by: reuben on May 19, 2021, 05:24:27 PM
Ricky Karen don't lose that number..
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1393932542147977217
Goddamn, that's a good ad for Costco.
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
I think our doofus of a premier went hat in hand to Trudeau this morning.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2021, 01:05:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 21, 2021, 01:10:25 PM
Manitoba is in shambles....our TP% is 16.1 in winnipeg as of today. It's never been this high at any point in the pandemic.
I think our doofus of a premier went hat in hand to Trudeau this morning.
Our numbers are plummeting. We're vaccinating 150K+ every day, ICU numbers are dropping, % is staying around 5 while the daily cases and rolling averages drop, and Fraud announced the reopening plan. They're even opening golf courses tomorrow.
Most encouragingly, I really think the level of vaccine refusal is much lower than people feared. We'd hit close to 50% of the adult population before we even opened up booking to people under 40, and appointments are booked solid for the next four weeks. I think we might even hit 80% if we keep going at this rate.
I am mostly encouraged.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2021, 09:10:39 PM
Our numbers are plummeting. We're vaccinating 150K+ every day, ICU numbers are dropping, % is staying around 5 while the daily cases and rolling averages drop, and Fraud announced the reopening plan. They're even opening golf courses tomorrow.
Most encouragingly, I really think the level of vaccine refusal is much lower than people feared. We'd hit close to 50% of the adult population before we even opened up booking to people under 40, and appointments are booked solid for the next four weeks. I think we might even hit 80% if we keep going at this rate.
I am mostly encouraged.
Without doing any type of research or looking at numbers, that’s probably why Canada is behind some places in the US for vax availability - interest level. CT was around 50% population with 1st shot a couple weeks ago when I last checked, and it’s been open to 18+ since April. CT is among the highest in vax rate in US states. (Do not fact check me you bastards)
Post by: delavan on May 24, 2021, 09:09:57 AM
Our numbers are plummeting. We're vaccinating 150K+ every day, ICU numbers are dropping, % is staying around 5 while the daily cases and rolling averages drop, and Fraud announced the reopening plan.
They're even opening golf courses tomorrow.
Most encouragingly, I really think the level of vaccine refusal is much lower than people feared. We'd hit close to 50% of the adult population before we even opened up booking to people under 40, and appointments are booked solid for the next four weeks. I think we might even hit 80% if we keep going at this rate.
I am mostly encouraged.
Aside from the throngs of Biffs & Skippy's at the PGA yesterday, I would think that golf generally-speaking would've been enough of a 'social distancing' activity to have been given the green light earlier.
Post by: Johnny English on May 24, 2021, 09:16:18 AM
Aside from the throngs of Biffs & Skippy's at the PGA yesterday, I would think that golf generally-speaking would've been enough of a 'social distancing' activity to have been given the green light earlier.So would any right thinking individual, unfortunately the clowns that are the Ontario Progressive Conservatives are more interested in driving golf courses out of business so their developer friends can buy.up some cheap land.
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2021, 10:29:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 24, 2021, 10:39:54 AM
The freak is a progressive conservative?
a fancy description for a Trump clone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 24, 2021, 01:00:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 24, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 25, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
https://twitter.com/clevertitletk/status/1396635919910854659?s=21
almost as if wearing masks to prevent communication of viruses that can be spread by respiratory droplets.......works
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 25, 2021, 08:33:06 AM
almost as if wearing masks to prevent communication of viruses that can be spread by respiratory droplets.......works
As someone who is not a doctor let me explain to you how your views on this are biased and how you are advocating for death trains to concentration camps.
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2021, 08:32:44 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-covid-infected-on-tv-kung-flu-2021-5
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2021, 02:47:35 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 27, 2021, 02:52:02 PM
Welcome to Thunderdome.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2021, 09:14:21 AM
According to the NY Times....Manitoba is the hottest Covid spot in North America.
Welcome to Thunderdome.
(https://i.imgflip.com/4/187viz.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2021, 01:51:01 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-concert-promoter-charging-18-tickets-if-you-re-vaccinated-n1268954
Post by: reuben on May 31, 2021, 09:24:45 PM
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NFL players who don't get the COVID-19 vaccine will be required to stay in town during their team's bye week and be tested for the virus every day.
NBC Sports' Peter King reported on an unspecified team that had 65 of its 90 players vaccinated against COVID. That team would need another dozen players to get the jab before they can return to pre-COVID meeting and practice schedules. NFL teams with vaccination rates below 85 percent will have to keep running practices and meetings like they did in 2020. The Bills have become the most prominent vaccine-skeptical team, as Josh Allen and Cole Beasley have said they need to do more "research" before they sign up for the vaccine. Teams that can revert to pre-COVID practices will have distinct advantages over those who can't.
So very Buffalo.
Post by: reuben on May 31, 2021, 09:25:28 PM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2021, 09:50:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 07, 2021, 02:16:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2021, 09:10:03 AM
2nd dose apt booked for July 3rd. LFG
White Boy Summer back on
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2021, 09:10:52 AM
https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1402242010451480576?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2021, 09:34:37 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 08, 2021, 09:45:00 AM
White Boy Summer back on
I drank enough whiteclaws to render the 2nd booster shot optional.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2021, 10:39:23 AM
You think Montez Sweat needs more facts or nah
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2021, 10:56:52 AM
https://twitter.com/sam4tr/status/1402646795751247872?s=21
You think Montez Sweat needs more facts or nah
Nope, he's got it Down(s) 100%
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2021, 11:00:27 AM
https://twitter.com/sam4tr/status/1402646795751247872?s=21
You think Montez Sweat needs more facts or nah
Montez Sweat doesn't bother with condoms until he knows she's pregnant.
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2021, 11:41:10 AM
https://twitter.com/sam4tr/status/1402646795751247872?s=21Team: tries to provide more facts
You think Montez Sweat needs more facts or nah
Sweat: no thank you, I wanted different facts
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2021, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 09, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
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David Newton
@DNewtonespn
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Panthers quarterback Sam Darnold says he hasn't gotten the vaccine for Covid-19 yet. He's still evaluating the situation. Coach Matt Rhule said he isn't telling any players they have to get the shot, allowing them to make their... https://es.pn/3wcL4lW
I see his decision-making hasn't improved. #RIPPanthers
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
I see his decision-making hasn't improved. #RIPPanthers
What the freak is there for him to evaluate? Dickhead. I have no time for people who think that their opinion on the efficacy and safety of a vaccine to combat a global pandemic is in any way relevant. Shut the freak up and get jabbed, or freak off and live in a cabin in the woods with no interaction with other people.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 09, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
What the freak is there for him to evaluate? Dickhead. I have no time for people who think that their opinion on the efficacy and safety of a vaccine to combat a global pandemic is in any way relevant. Shut the freak up and get jabbed, or freak off and live in a cabin in the woods with no interaction with other people.
SHUT UP AND TAKE TIME TO EVALUATE THE SITUATION!!11
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2021, 06:12:49 PM
What the freak is there for him to evaluate? Dickhead. I have no time for people who think that their opinion on the efficacy and safety of a vaccine to combat a global pandemic is in any way relevant. Shut the freak up and get jabbed, or freak off and live in a cabin in the woods with no interaction with other people.
HIMBO status confirmed. Apolitical, still up in the air.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 15, 2021, 09:38:06 AM
PREACH BROTHER
Post by: mj2sexay on June 15, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
https://twitter.com/dudeyestotally/status/1404664351550631936?s=21
PREACH BROTHER
...based?!
Post by: delavan on June 21, 2021, 04:57:32 PM
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1226429.shtml
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Scientists in Wuhan should be awarded Nobel Prize, rather than being blamed: FM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 23, 2021, 03:22:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
https://twitter.com/stephtaitwrites/status/1407057298980286467?s=21
That woman sounds like the person you hope you never end up sat next to at a dinner party.
https://www.stephanietaitwrites.com/about
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2021, 09:47:45 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2021, 06:52:55 AM
https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1407564498739896328?s=21Feigl-Ding sounds like a bedroom move. "I wasnt getting anywhere till I got her with the Feigl-Ding. The shocker pales in comparison."
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2021, 09:47:07 AM
https://twitter.com/MaraHvistendahl/status/1407818381890396160?s=19
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2021, 09:51:36 AM
Actual cancel culture taking an L
https://twitter.com/MaraHvistendahl/status/1407818381890396160?s=19
kek
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 26, 2021, 08:15:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2021, 10:02:31 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
Delta variant accounts for 10% of new US cases
Thanks India.
Post by: klaximilian on June 27, 2021, 12:11:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
Forget India, hows America's hat doing?Probably better than us. Seems their issue was mainly supply not willingness to get it. Those Kanadianans can probably speak to it better than me.
Post by: klaximilian on June 27, 2021, 12:17:47 PM
Probably better than us. Seems their issue was mainly supply not willingness to get it. Those Kanadianans can probably speak to it better than me.
Probably better than us...how so?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
Probably better than us...how so?
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/
They are right there with us despite having a much harder time getting supply than the US.
When I talk about how they are doing, I'm talking about the people choosing to get vaccinated. The general population can't control how easy it is for them to get one based on lack of supply.
I believe Canada also allowed for a larger time gap between doses to allow for more people to get at least one vaccine. They have a large percentage of people with 1 vaccine so far, waiting to get the supply to get the second dose.
Post by: klaximilian on June 27, 2021, 12:46:36 PM
Ask the people living in Canada if their living conditions are remotely the same as the US.
Spoiler: It's not even close.
Many areas of Canada seem to be improving, which is great since for a while many couldn't even leave their own province and had checkpoints. They still can't fly out of the country without quarantine. Saskatchewan and Manitoba are trailing far behind, practically wiping from back to front. It sucks. I have so many friends and colleagues that I'm dying to see but they can't leave Canada yet.
They need to get their sh*t together.
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 12:50:26 PM
Forget India, hows America's hat doing?We're led by imbeciles....pretty much sums it up
Post by: klaximilian on June 27, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
We're led by imbeciles....pretty much sums it up
Im sorry to hear man. It will get better.
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 12:55:51 PM
Im sorry to hear man. It will get better.I'm getting my 2nd dose in 2 hours...bracing for impact
Post by: klaximilian on June 27, 2021, 12:59:26 PM
I'm getting my 2nd dose in 2 hours...bracing for impact
Most are out down for 24-36 hours. I was f*cked up for almost three days.
Buy yourself a bottle of Jack, and make the best of a shitty situation.
Congrats on the 2nd dose.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2021, 01:41:41 PM
Honestly I don't think I noticed anything with either of mine
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
A lot of people I've seen get didn't have excrement happen with the second dose
Honestly I don't think I noticed anything with either of mine
that's because you're a robot
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 04:07:38 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 04:19:26 PM
LOL CNN. (Gibraltar at 115% vaccinated)Why are you lol'ing at CNN? Here's the NY Times, same excrement. It's not an opinion piece. I'm sure the Gibraltar number has to do with people moving in and out.
Ask the people living in Canada if their living conditions are remotely the same as the US.
Spoiler: It's not even close.
Many areas of Canada seem to be improving, which is great since for a while many couldn't even leave their own province and had checkpoints. They still can't fly out of the country without quarantine. Saskatchewan and Manitoba are trailing far behind, practically wiping from back to front. It sucks. I have so many friends and colleagues that I'm dying to see but they can't leave Canada yet.
They need to get their sh*t together.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
Again, I'm not talking about the country's success or failure overall because that has many factors, most of which are out of their citizens' hands. I'm talking about the willingness of the people to get vaccinated. If they had the supply we have in America, I bet they'd have higher vaccinated numbers than us.
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 04:21:10 PM
Again, I'm not talking about the country's success or failure overall because that has many factors, most of which are out of their citizens' hands. I'm talking about the willingness of the people to get vaccinated. If they had the supply we have in America, I bet they'd have higher vaccinated numbers that us.
we have our share of morons that don't want the vaccine, and are currently being bribed by our provincial gov't to get one. Yes, you heard me right..."bribed".
But, they'll be instituting a vaccine passport. So the anti-vaxxers are gonna lose the war (up here anyway).
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 04:29:09 PM
we have our share of morons that don't want the vaccine, and are currently being bribed by our provincial gov't to get one. Yes, you heard me right..."bribed".Yeah I get it. And I got off topic about a specific part of it vs. how the country in general is doing.
But, they'll be instituting a vaccine passport. So the anti-vaxxers are gonna lose the war (up here anyway).
I agree that once people who aren't vaccinated start seeing all the excrement they can't do until they get vaccinated, suddenly those retarded reasons as to why they shouldn't do it will disappear.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2021, 05:27:23 PM
Yeah I get it. And I got off topic about a specific part of it vs. how the country in general is doing.
I agree that once people who aren't vaccinated start seeing all the excrement they can't do until they get vaccinated, suddenly those retarded reasons as to why they shouldn't do it will disappear.
I dunno this whole thing happening nationally with hospitals (mandating their staff) is interesting, and could give insight on what retards will do nationally (or globally?) when forced.
I believe the hosptial in Houston lost 153 employees which presumably is catastrophic for any hospital right now with staffing.
And for the employees some will have to move forfeit benefits etc etc
Post by: Heismanberg on June 27, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
I dunno this whole thing happening nationally with hospitals (mandating their staff) is interesting, and could give insight on what retards will do nationally (or globally?) when forced.
I believe the hosptial in Houston lost 153 employees which presumably is catastrophic for any hospital right now with staffing.
And for the employees some will have to move forfeit benefits etc etc
That hospital network is a gigantic piece of excrement
Not surprised they have a bunch of ignorant employees refusing the shot
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 05:35:08 PM
I dunno this whole thing happening nationally with hospitals (mandating their staff) is interesting, and could give insight on what retards will do nationally (or globally?) when forced.The public health department my wife used to work at has about 2/3 of their employees that chose not to get vaccinated. A freaking public health department!
I believe the hosptial in Houston lost 153 employees which presumably is catastrophic for any hospital right now with staffing.
And for the employees some will have to move forfeit benefits etc etc
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
The public health department my wife used to work at has about 2/3 of their employees that chose not to get vaccinated. A freaking public health department!
I work with people in the covid icu who won't get vaccinated
I don't know how you see that excrement and choose to be a freaking retard
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 06:35:10 PM
I work with people in the covid icu who won't get vaccinatedThe mind is a crazy thing. We all can be convinced of crazy excrement sometimes. And we are all different.
I don't know how you see that excrement and choose to be a freaking retard
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 27, 2021, 06:56:21 PM
I'm double vaxxed now....LFG
Congrats!
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 27, 2021, 07:03:09 PM
Seeing it first-hand and still not getting the shot is absolutely batshit. You deserve to lose your job as a healthcare professional.
Post by: MBGreen on June 27, 2021, 07:07:42 PM
Congrats!
thanks babbie
Health professionals not getting vaxxed is incomprehensible to me. The average person watching/listening to certain "information" sources makes more sense.
Seeing it first-hand and still not getting the shot is absolutely batshit. You deserve to lose your job as a healthcare professional.
Blows my mind that people like this exist.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2021, 08:21:06 PM
Why are you lol'ing at CNN? Here's the NY Times, same excrement. It's not an opinion piece. I'm sure the Gibraltar number has to do with people moving in and out.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
Again, I'm not talking about the country's success or failure overall because that has many factors, most of which are out of their citizens' hands. I'm talking about the willingness of the people to get vaccinated. If they had the supply we have in America, I bet they'd have higher vaccinated numbers that us.
We're looking like we'll top out around 80% vaccinated, currently Ontario is something like 76% with at least one shot and about 85-90% of our daily shots now are second doses. I don't know how that compares with the US but I suspect it's a bit higher.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2021, 08:22:06 PM
I still think theyd be better off getting the vaccine as I imagine covid will freak up a baby far more than the shot.
But at least I can understand (though the process they follow in making this decision is often full retardedness)
Post by: bojanglesman on June 27, 2021, 08:53:17 PM
We're looking like we'll top out around 80% vaccinated, currently Ontario is something like 76% with at least one shot and about 85-90% of our daily shots now are second doses. I don't know how that compares with the US but I suspect it's a bit higher.We only have 1 state above 70% with at least 1 vaccine. Vermont. All the bumfuck hillbilly states are in the mid 30's. All the ones you'd expect.....Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas......
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2021, 09:02:26 PM
We only have 1 state above 70% with at least 1 vaccine. Vermont. All the bumfuck hillbilly states are in the mid 30's. All the ones you'd expect.....Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas......
To clarify: we're 76% of eligible people (12+). We're about 66% of total population.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2021, 05:57:07 AM
It's a shame the disease hasn't been more selective in correcting the stupid problem we have
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
I'm double vaxxed now....LFG
Good man - did you make sure to get the rabies shot as well?
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/healthy-living/canadian-immunization-guide-part-4-active-vaccines/page-18-rabies-vaccine.html
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
I had no idea how abysmal vaccination rates were in the USA.
It's a shame the disease hasn't been more selective in correcting the stupid problem we have
See: Marjorie Greene Taylor
Post by: MBGreen on June 28, 2021, 10:54:22 AM
Good man - did you make sure to get the rabies shot as well?
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/healthy-living/canadian-immunization-guide-part-4-active-vaccines/page-18-rabies-vaccine.html
Actually, i did.
the vaccines i've received since Apr 4:
-mumps, rhubella
-AZ covid19
-pneumoccal pneumonia
-tetnis
-Moderna covid19
I can now fornicate will everyone's sisters.
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2021, 07:41:10 PM
Today he had his day in (virtual) court, and this is how it went down (I deliberately picked our most right wing respectable media outlet, so as to not be accused of bias):
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-bbq-rebellion-gets-turned-away-from-court-delaying-face-off-over-covid-lockdowns
Apparently he is now looking for more contributions to his legal fund.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2021, 08:40:56 PM
This is one for mj2sexay to enjoy (for the legal story, I know you're not an antivax nut). Last year a guy with a barbecue restaurant in Toronto appointed himself king of the anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax lobby in Toronto, opened his restaurant in defiance of lockdown orders, got shut down, got arrested, made himself a cause celebre for the nutbar wing, opened a GoFundMe for his legal defence which raised about $350K, and went on the attack to sue the provincial government for infringing his Charter rights and about a million other things.
Today he had his day in (virtual) court, and this is how it went down (I deliberately picked our most right wing respectable media outlet, so as to not be accused of bias):
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-bbq-rebellion-gets-turned-away-from-court-delaying-face-off-over-covid-lockdowns
Apparently he is now looking for more contributions to his legal fund.
Doesn't sound like a very exciting story
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Judge Jasmine Akbarali, of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, briefly adjourned court to deliberate before returning with her verdict.
“I regret to say, I do not think I have the jurisdiction to proceed to deal with these issues on their merits today,” she said.
“I do not think the hearing has been constituted in such a way to give me that jurisdiction, and it is in nobody’s interest to go ahead with the two-day hearing that is easily vulnerable on appeal on the basis that I didn’t have jurisdiction.”
Post by: guinness77 on June 29, 2021, 09:08:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 29, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
My wife, who’s been fully vaxxed for at least 6 weeks now and I, I got my first shot two weeks ago, both just somehow got covid. And, it’s hitting her a lot worse than me (she’s feeling a little better though). So, go figure.
I'm sorry man, hope y'all get to feeling better.
Post by: guinness77 on June 29, 2021, 09:15:40 AM
I'm sorry man, hope y'all get to feeling better.I feel fine, if she hadn’t started feeling sick Sunday night, I would have never even thought to get tested. She still felt kind crappy yesterday morning and went to kinda just check the box, and somehow she was positive. The whole situation is really weird but now we’re stuck in the house (and with my kids, who hate being bored) until next Wednesday. Shoot me.
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2021, 09:27:47 AM
Doesn't sound like a very exciting story
No, not really exciting. Quite funny though that he raises $350K for a legal fund and hires such bad lawyers that they don't even get to argue the case when they get to court because they can't figure out the fundamentals of the judicial process.
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
I feel fine, if she hadn’t started feeling sick Sunday night, I would have never even thought to get tested. She still felt kind crappy yesterday morning and went to kinda just check the box, and somehow she was positive. The whole situation is really weird but now we’re stuck in the house (and with my kids, who hate being bored) until next Wednesday. Shoot me.
Sorry to hear that fella, it's a good reminder that vaccines don't necessarily stop you getting covid but they are almost completely effective at preventing you being seriously ill from it.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 29, 2021, 10:16:56 AM
This is one for mj2sexay to enjoy (for the legal story, I know you're not an antivax nut). Last year a guy with a barbecue restaurant in Toronto appointed himself king of the anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax lobby in Toronto, opened his restaurant in defiance of lockdown orders, got shut down, got arrested, made himself a cause celebre for the nutbar wing, opened a GoFundMe for his legal defence which raised about $350K, and went on the attack to sue the provincial government for infringing his Charter rights and about a million other things.
Today he had his day in (virtual) court, and this is how it went down (I deliberately picked our most right wing respectable media outlet, so as to not be accused of bias):
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-bbq-rebellion-gets-turned-away-from-court-delaying-face-off-over-covid-lockdowns
Apparently he is now looking for more contributions to his legal fund.
Admittedly, I know less than nothing about required procedure in Canada, but freaking aye superficially that just seems like a fantastic, Shane Lechler like punt job by the Justice.
Guin I'm sorry to hear about your wife, hope she feels better soon.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 11:37:08 AM
My wife, who’s been fully vaxxed for at least 6 weeks now and I, I got my first shot two weeks ago, both just somehow got covid. And, it’s hitting her a lot worse than me (she’s feeling a little better though). So, go figure.
Get dat Remdesivr
If you miss the window they won't give it to you after the fact
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 11:41:11 AM
Sorry to hear that fella, it's a good reminder that vaccines don't necessarily stop you getting covid but they are almost completely effective at preventing you being seriously ill from it.
Hopefully they're both fine, most people are. But you're not fully vaccinated until two weeks after the second shot
So they'll likely get benefit but not the whole thing
Post by: guinness77 on June 29, 2021, 11:53:22 AM
Hopefully they're both fine, most people are. But you're not fully vaccinated until two weeks after the second shotMy wife has been vaxxed for at least 6 weeks, if not 2 months. I know I’m not fully vaxxed (duh) but I’ve still been following all the protocols (I have to, both jobs I have require me to do so) so we have no idea how this happened. It’s apparently effecting her more than me too which makes no sense either.
So they'll likely get benefit but not the whole thing
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
My wife has been vaxxed for at least 6 weeks, if not 2 months. I know I’m not fully vaxxed (duh) but I’ve still been following all the protocols (I have to, both jobs I have require me to do so) so we have no idea how this happened. It’s apparently effecting her more than me too which makes no sense either.
An I saw you had gotten your first shot 2 weeks ago, thought you said it was 6 weeks since she got her first.
Clearly I read that wrong
I don't know anything about the rate of COVID vaccine non responders (I assume there's no data on this)
But with other vaccines there's a percentage of people whom don't respond to vaccines.
I know I personally had to get my hepatitis vaccine (which is a series of 3 shot) twice plus a booster in order for it to work (ie the shots did nothing)
But assuming your wife's having legitimate symptomtic covid getting remedesvir is worth discussing.
Sure odds are 99% it's overkill and an unnecessary hassle, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be cautious. Having to stay in a hospital for 5 days to get the Remdesivr course is probably better than possibly needing a nasal cannula or nonrebreather for a few weeks
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1409775924502044672?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 12:48:40 PM
The worst-hit country on the African continent “is facing a massive resurgence of infection”, the president said in a televised address to the nation on Sunday.
“Our health facilities are stretched to the limit … ICU beds are in short supply,” he said as he placed the country on alert level four, just one level below a full lockdown.
He banned all gatherings, except for funerals where numbers will be capped at 50, and also ordered a ban on the sale of alcohol. Eateries and restaurants can no longer serve sit-down meals, and will only be allowed to sell food for take-away or delivery. A nighttime curfew has been lengthened by an hour.
Authorities say the peak of the third wave – fuelled by the Delta variant first identified in India – will surpass that of earlier waves as the country struggles to quickly roll out vaccinations.
“We are in the grip of a devastating wave that by all indications seems like it will be worse than those that preceded it,” the president said.
“The peak of this third wave looks set to be higher than the previous two,” he added.
https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/1409443959248719879?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 29, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
Is the Hype over yet or nah
*fart*
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2021, 01:25:32 PM
Four of Australia's eight capital cities are now under Covid-19 lockdown, as authorities struggle to contain fresh outbreaks of the highly infectious Delta variant.
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1409775924502044672?s=21
As of yesterday Australia's vaccination rate was 24.3% 1D / 4.8% 2D. Smug fuckers were busy celebrating what a great job they did of locking down and not having outbreaks, they forgot to do the most important bit.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 29, 2021, 02:50:54 PM
As of yesterday Australia's vaccination rate was 24.3% 1D / 4.8% 2D. Smug fuckers were busy celebrating what a great job they did of locking down and not having outbreaks, they forgot to do the most important bit.
They couldn't beat Emu's, they were going to be the pinnacle of effectively managing this virus?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
Quote
Since May 10, unvaccinated people account for *97%* of Maryland’s COVID cases, 89% of hospitalizations & 89% of deaths, per Md’s health secretary.
https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1409955273465344004?s=21
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 03:23:08 PM
https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1409955273465344004?s=21
As another responder on the Twitter notes
The math doesn't add up
So 3 % of covid cases are vaccinated individuals that make up 11% of hospitalizations and 11% of deaths?
If 11% of covid deaths are in fully vaccinated individuals something is immensely wrong with either the data collection process or the vaccines in Maryland
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2021, 03:53:11 PM
As another responder on the Twitter notes
The math doesn't add up
So 3 % of covid cases are vaccinated individuals that make up 11% of hospitalizations and 11% of deaths?
If 11% of covid deaths are in fully vaccinated individuals something is immensely wrong with either the data collection process or the vaccines in Maryland
If you're old or immunocompromised, you're more likely to be vaccinated and you're more likely to get very sick if you catch covid. So the vast majority of people who present as symptomatic are unvaccinated, but if you're old or immunocompromised then there's a better chance that the vaccine won't be effective for you and therefore you still end up in hospital.
Come on man, you work in the medical field. You shouldn't need this explaining.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
If you're old or immunocompromised, you're more likely to be vaccinated and you're more likely to get very sick if you catch covid. So the vast majority of people who present as symptomatic are unvaccinated, but if you're old or immunocompromised then there's a better chance that the vaccine won't be effective for you and therefore you still end up in hospital.
Come on man, you work in the medical field. You shouldn't need this explaining.
Sure but according to nationalized data from the AP for the month of May vaccinated people make up 0.1% of cases of hospitalized individuals with severe covid and 0.8% of deaths
So 11% is a monumental jump from there for the state of Maryland
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
Sure but according to nationalized data from the AP for the month of May vaccinated people make up 0.1% of cases of hospitalized individuals with severe covid and 0.8% of deaths
So 11% is a monumental jump from there for the state of Maryland
Except that was May, when the vaccination numbers were way lower. Let's take a hypothetical situation in which 99% of people are vaccinated, the majority of hospitalisations and deaths will occur in vaccinated people. Does that mean that the vaccines aren't working?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
Except that was May, when the vaccination numbers were way lower. Let's take a hypothetical situation in which 99% of people are vaccinated, the majority of hospitalisations and deaths will occur in vaccinated people. Does that mean that the vaccines aren't working?
Uhm it's June
And Maryland numbers started in May 10th, and presumably data isn't available up to the current date.
So at the absolute minimum the data in Maryland is 50% the month of May.
Not to mention using your logic, the sickest of the the sickest would have been vaccinated earlier.
The people getting vaccinated in April/May are going to be your younger/healthier lower risk individuals.
So you shouldn't expect a huge spike in data from may vs may/June
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 04:29:21 PM
Except that was May, when the vaccination numbers were way lower. Let's take a hypothetical situation in which 99% of people are vaccinated, the majority of hospitalisations and deaths will occur in vaccinated people. Does that mean that the vaccines aren't working?
Were talking about 3% of people making up 11% of hospitalizations and 11 % of deaths
VS on a national level for the month of May it was 0.1% and 0.8%
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 05:28:32 PM
As another responder on the Twitter notes
The math doesn't add up
So 3 % of covid cases are vaccinated individuals that make up 11% of hospitalizations and 11% of deaths?
If 11% of covid deaths are in fully vaccinated individuals something is immensely wrong with either the data collection process or the vaccines in Maryland
I loooove how you ignore the explanation from the OP directly below the question you’re referencing here. Appreciate the determination you put into your shitposting though.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2021, 09:11:32 PM
Why do you have to try and galaxy brain everything? There’s
I loooove how you ignore the explanation from the OP directly below the question you’re referencing here. Appreciate the determination you put into your shitposting though.
I like to think
It helps make up for all the times I don't think
Yes yes immune response batman and lasers. I got all that fancy stuff.
But unless the Immune systems of people in Maryland are distinct from the people of the United States nationally averaged.
Then something is amiss?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 01, 2021, 05:06:48 PM
Delta variant accounts for 10% of new US cases
https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/1410696415962148864?s=21
U.S. COVID-19 cases jump 10% in the past week
The highly transmissible Delta variant is now responsible for 25% of all new cases in the U.S.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 06, 2021, 04:34:43 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 07, 2021, 04:40:03 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
https://twitter.com/jtylerconway/status/1412767539885715465?s=21
I like the "No vaxxing, no vucking" shirt.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Maryland reported this week that 100% of those who died from coronavirus there in June had not been vaccinated, while more than 93% of those with new cases or who were hospitalized were similarly unprotected.
Cases are rising in nearly half the states as low vaccination rates are being met with the more transmissible and severe Delta or B.1.617.2, variant, identified in India in December 2020.
Vaccinations administered in the US have shown to be effective against the Delta variant, though it poses serious risks to those who remain unvaccinated.
The variant is already the dominant strain of Covid-19 in the country, accounting for more than 50% of all new US cases and up to 80% of cases in some regions, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data released Tuesday.
Joe Biden has reiterated the urgency behind getting more Americans vaccinated.
“We can’t get complacent now,” he said during a press briefing. “Millions of Americans are still unvaccinated and unprotected. And because of that, their communities are at risk, their friends are at risk, the people they care about are at risk.”
Fauci, the country’s top public health official, has said that in June, 99.2% of Covid deaths in the US could be attributed to those who are unvaccinated.
CDC data shows that about 67% of American adults aged 18 or older have received at least one dose of the vaccine, while 58% are fully vaccinated."
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/08/fears-of-new-us-covid-surge-as-delta-spreads-and-many-remain-unvaccinated
Also
"Some vaccine hesitancy appears to be closely tied to political beliefs, with a recent poll showing almost twice as many declared Democrats as Republicans saying they had been vaccinated."
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 11:17:47 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2021, 11:21:12 AM
Sticking it to the libs by deliberately dying from a preventable disease. Freedom!
It's nature's way of cleansing the USA of all the TrumpRot left over from the last 4 years.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 08, 2021, 12:11:50 PM
It's nature's way of cleansing the USA of all the TrumpRot left over from the last 4 years.
The only issue is that there are some vaccinated people that are having breakthrough infections. My fear is that number may go up to a point where we all need to wear masks again because the risk won't be miniscule anymore. And who knows what may change with all the unvaccinated kids under 12.
You can't go through life worrying about everything, but you can't go through it being blind to reality either. I don't just want to avoid being hospitalized, I want to avoid getting it at all because I don't know what, if any, long-term effects there could be if it goes beyond a mild infection.
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
The only issue is that there are some vaccinated people that are having breakthrough infections. My fear is that number may go up to a point where we all need to wear masks again because the risk won't be miniscule anymore. And who knows what may change with all the unvaccinated kids under 12.Wear masks again?
You can't go through life worrying about everything, but you can't go through it being blind to reality either. I don't just want to avoid being hospitalized, I want to avoid getting it at all because I don't know what, if any, long-term effects there could be if it goes beyond a mild infection.
We haven't stopped
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
The only issue is that there are some vaccinated people that are having breakthrough infections. My fear is that number may go up to a point where we all need to wear masks again because the risk won't be miniscule anymore. And who knows what may change with all the unvaccinated kids under 12.
You can't go through life worrying about everything, but you can't go through it being blind to reality either. I don't just want to avoid being hospitalized, I want to avoid getting it at all because I don't know what, if any, long-term effects there could be if it goes beyond a mild infection.
Hey, it's not us you need to convince. Up here in the hat we're lining up to get vaccinated - we've been leading the world for the last month in % of population with at least one dose, we're at 80% / 50% first/second among all eligible adults, and the demand is still there.
I think that the fear of breakthrough infections causing long term problems is fairly small though, everything I've seen suggests that those who do get it despite being vaccinated pretty much get nothing but minor symptoms.
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 12:28:41 PM
Wear masks again?
We haven't stopped
Also this.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 01:55:11 PM
Wear masks again?
We haven't stopped
Also this.I kinda stopped, unless mandated.
Stupidest thing I did recently was go unmasked in a rest stop on I-87.
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 02:07:01 PM
I kinda stopped, unless mandated.
Stupidest thing I did recently was go unmasked in a rest stop on I-87.
I suspect they'll lift our mandate in the next month or so, but I also think quite a lot of people will keep wearing them. I'll probably keep carrying one, and wear it when it seems appropriate. I don't think anyone is going to bat an eyelid at people wearing them even after the mandate is lifted.
I actually really liked it in the winter, walking outside in -15 it's nice to have a fabric covering across your face.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 08, 2021, 02:14:38 PM
Hey, it's not us you need to convince. Up here in the hat we're lining up to get vaccinated - we've been leading the world for the last month in % of population with at least one dose, we're at 80% / 50% first/second among all eligible adults, and the demand is still there.
I think that the fear of breakthrough infections causing long term problems is fairly small though, everything I've seen suggests that those who do get it despite being vaccinated pretty much get nothing but minor symptoms.
Oh I know, I tried to say that Canada was doing better than us regarding vaccine willingness.
On one hand, you are right, chances of a vaccinated person becoming meaningfully affected by COVID is pretty small. But there's always this small part of me that worries about mutation. So far mutation hasn't really affected the efficacy of the vaccine. Admittedly, I don't know the ins and outs of all the proteins the vaccine targets, so that may continue to be the case despite mutations.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 08, 2021, 02:23:15 PM
I kinda stopped, unless mandated.
Stupidest thing I did recently was go unmasked in a rest stop on I-87.
I don’t usually wear one but I carry mine with me.
Last week I was unmasked in one of my neighborhood bars when I heard someone start spouting off the usual anti-vaxxx talking points. I immediately put my mask back on.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2021, 04:19:08 PM
Covid starting a whole Frat
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 08, 2021, 05:54:24 PM
https://twitter.com/qz/status/1413190521216974853?s=21
Covid starting a whole Frat
The seem to have skipped some letters.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 09:53:36 PM
The seem to have skipped some letters.I'd assume those variants just weren't newsworthy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 09, 2021, 08:05:53 AM
Yes, risk of infection is low. Yes, risk of severe infection is even lower. But it's not zero, and I always err on the side of caution.
Variants are the issue. Also, it's now being reported that vaccinated people are spreading the virus to unvaccinated. I'm responsible for high-risk (though vaxxed) senior adults, and unvaxxed children, so I feel it's my responsibility to do what I can to keep them safe.
I don't mind wearing masks, so it's no big deal to me anyway.
Post by: MBGreen on July 09, 2021, 08:13:20 AM
I wear my mask indoors everywhere but not outdoors, but I don't go near crowds.
Yes, risk of infection is low. Yes, risk of severe infection is even lower. But it's not zero, and I always err on the side of caution.
Variants are the issue. Also, it's now being reported that vaccinated people are spreading the virus to unvaccinated. I'm responsible for high-risk (though vaxxed) senior adults, and unvaxxed children, so I feel it's my responsibility to do what I can to keep them safe.
I don't mind wearing masks, so it's no big deal to me anyway.
I'm absolutely fine wearing my mask. The only place i hate wearing it (i still do) is at the gym during a workout.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2021, 09:04:50 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 09, 2021, 09:10:22 AM
I hate wearing my mask during sex. With myself.
Safety first....you don't want to give yourself AIDS.
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2021, 09:17:10 AM
I hate wearing my mask during sex. With myself.How do you recoup your gains though?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2021, 09:28:30 AM
How do you recoup your gains though?
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 09, 2021, 05:10:45 PM
NEW: Pfizer-BioNTech say they are pursuing booster vaccines because of Delta, and that boosters may be needed in 6-12 months.
But experts, CDC and FDA all say: Not so fast. There's no evidence that boosters will be needed -- maybe ever.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2021, 05:42:46 PM
https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/status/1413315849667153920?s=21
NEW: Pfizer-BioNTech say they are pursuing booster vaccines because of Delta, and that boosters may be needed in 6-12 months.
But experts, CDC and FDA all say: Not so fast. There's no evidence that boosters will be needed -- maybe ever.
Yet another reason why you shouldn't trust the government with anything.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2021, 05:51:53 PM
Yet another reason why you shouldn't trust the government with anything.Or the giant pharmaceutical company that's trying to make a profit on extra vaccines. I'm not saying Pfizer is wrong, that's the vaccine I had. But it's good that there are checks and balances.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 09, 2021, 07:38:58 PM
Or the giant pharmaceutical company that's trying to make a profit on extra vaccines. I'm not saying Pfizer is wrong, that's the vaccine I had. But it's good that there are checks and balances.
So proud to be an American in the USA with a system built on checks and balances. Government, Pfizer, and dcm.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2021, 07:53:46 PM
So proud to be an American in the USA with a system built on checks and balances. Government, Pfizer, and dcm.(https://media.tenor.com/images/43711ab8e096a8d88057f50c2084ae3c/tenor.gif)
Post by: dcm1602 on July 10, 2021, 03:28:32 PM
Or the giant pharmaceutical company that's trying to make a profit on extra vaccines. I'm not saying Pfizer is wrong, that's the vaccine I had. But it's good that there are checks and balances.
Or course they are. But considering the destruction brought on by this pandemic and how blatantly freaking clueless and incompoent all the world's governments were. I think it's a reasonable assumption that we're all better if these companies start working on boosters accounting for new variants way way in advance. Regardless of their motivations for doing so
Post by: bojanglesman on July 10, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
Or course they are. But considering the destruction brought on by this pandemic and how blatantly freaking clueless and incompoent all the world's governments were. I think it's a reasonable assumption that we're all better if these companies start working on boosters accounting for new variants way way in advance. Regardless of their motivations for doing soI agree, but no one is saying it's wrong to work on them. The issue is when they start saying they are needed now. That may be true, but they need to work with the CDC on that, not just blab it out there with no consultation.
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2021, 08:47:21 PM
Or course they are. But considering the destruction brought on by this pandemic and how blatantly freaking clueless and incompoent all the world's governments were.
This seems like a cover for how particularly incompetent the US was during the pandemic.
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2021, 08:48:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1413350633533362182?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2021, 07:46:25 AM
Post by: Badger on July 12, 2021, 07:58:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2021, 08:27:45 AM
This is why England deserved to lose yesterday
NGL, there are definite upsides to England losing, not least of which is not having to listen to idiot gammons braying about how they left the EU and then went back and won the Euros for good measure. A close second is making shitbags like Johnson and Patel shut the freak up about something they know nothing about.
Post by: Badger on July 12, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1414618245555003394?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
Almost feels unfair to make fun of Newsmax
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1414618245555003394?s=19
Dollar store Thanos
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2021, 11:25:34 AM
https://uproxx.com/viral/olivia-guidry-unvaccinated-nurse-dies-from-covid/
Pretty sure we already have a Darwin Awards thread.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 13, 2021, 12:46:00 PM
https://uproxx.com/viral/olivia-guidry-unvaccinated-nurse-dies-from-covid/
That ended about as well as it could.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2021, 04:47:38 PM
https://uproxx.com/viral/olivia-guidry-unvaccinated-nurse-dies-from-covid/
Any antivaxxers is obviously a freaking idiot.
But this type of journalism is incredibly scummy
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2021, 05:13:23 PM
Any antivaxxers is obviously a freaking idiot.I'd save that judgement for the twitter remarks, the article was about as neutral as it could be.
But this type of journalism is incredibly scummy
Post by: delavan on July 13, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2021, 05:44:52 PM
The media can paint this as a red/blue divide all they want (and they 'want') but the 500 lb. elephant in the room is the alarming vaccination disparity between whites and Blacks. The (understandable) mistrust in the African-American community has to be addressed.
Biden’s America
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2021, 06:08:52 PM
https://v.redd.it/netvdni88wa71
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2021, 06:10:51 PM
The media can paint this as a red/blue divide all they want (and they 'want') but the 500 lb. elephant in the room is the alarming vaccination disparity between whites and Blacks. The (understandable) mistrust in the African-American community has to be addressed.
Yeah my "understandable" grace period is used up - I don't think it's a good excuse anymore, there's enough data. No functioning brain can conclude the risk of the vaccines is worse than the risk of COVID at this point.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2021, 10:13:26 AM
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Post by: Badger on July 18, 2021, 07:16:42 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 18, 2021, 07:38:12 AM
The mass exodus of healthcare workers has been enormous and seemingly is compounding constantly (ie people were overworked underpaid, so they left making it even worse for the people who stayed leaving further etc etc) and once healthcare data catches up you'll see the data reflecting it (people dying in hospitals at a much higher rate).
Two hospital systems I've worked with have had to legitimately enable illegal staffing practices in order to staff themselves (still extremely poorly) on a daily basis.
Definitely the next big pandemic
Post by: bojanglesman on July 18, 2021, 10:22:23 AM
Just an interesting thing I don't think has really been focused on in the media is how severely fucked healthcare is in the United States right now (I assume also world wide)Dr. Lexus will be my cardiologist in 20 years
The mass exodus of healthcare workers has been enormous and seemingly is compounding constantly (ie people were overworked underpaid, so they left making it even worse for the people who stayed leaving further etc etc) and once healthcare data catches up you'll see the data reflecting it (people dying in hospitals at a much higher rate).
Two hospital systems I've worked with have had to legitimately enable illegal staffing practices in order to staff themselves (still extremely poorly) on a daily basis.
Definitely the next big pandemic
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 19, 2021, 10:17:30 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 19, 2021, 10:23:08 AM
Canada surpasses US in percentage of fully vaccinated against Covid-19
we did it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 19, 2021, 08:22:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 19, 2021, 09:07:27 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1417292181765861377?s=21Mix that excrement in some KFC and Taco Bell, see if we can get some GI absorption for the trash states.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 20, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1417292181765861377?s=21
Seems like a fairly useless article by CNN
Quote
"With more than 8.5 million doses going into arms, that is a very small percentage (1.4%) that go unused," Nydam said.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimate/allowance for vaccine wastage is 5%, so Georgia is well below that percentage, Nydam said
Or more likely intentionally trying to mislead the reader into thinking that Georgians are somehow disproportionately wasting or refusing the vaccine or something obnoxious
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 20, 2021, 09:01:44 AM
lol
Post by: Johnny English on July 20, 2021, 09:05:06 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296?s=21
lol
It's absolutely a complete coincidence that Wall Street takes a bath over fears of Delta and suddenly Fox News is all about urging its viewers to get vaccinated. No connection there at all.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 20, 2021, 09:08:48 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296?s=21
lol
Someone must be facing legal threats.
Post by: MBGreen on July 20, 2021, 11:11:01 AM
justice has been served
Post by: delavan on July 20, 2021, 02:43:01 PM
https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1417485332774375436?s=20
justice has been served
^ A-holes to the right of them, a-holes to the left of them v
follyed and blundered..
WH aide, Pelosi staffer test positive for COVID after meeting Texas Dems
https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/white-house-aide-nancy-pelosi-staffer-test-positive-for-covid/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
French President Emanuel Macron:
“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us. "
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."
"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."
Post by: MBGreen on July 21, 2021, 11:19:31 AM
French President Emanuel Macron:
“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us. "
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."
"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."
the rest of the world should take note of this. This is how you end the pandemic.
the only way you should be exempt from a vaccine is for medical reasons.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2021, 11:50:00 AM
French President Emanuel Macron:This is exactly like 1984
“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us. "
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."
"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."
Post by: delavan on July 21, 2021, 01:28:21 PM
French President Emanuel Macron:
“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us. "
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."
"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."
^ This (esp. liked the Louie Pasteur ref.)
Post by: dcm1602 on July 21, 2021, 02:18:10 PM
the rest of the world should take note of this. This is how you end the pandemic.
the only way you should be exempt from a vaccine is for medical reasons.
The institution I work for mandates every employee who is stupid enough to not get vaccinated to get weekly covid tests, which of course are all off-site and require you to go to on your own time (albeit they'll pay for the test)
I think employers bugging the freak out of any of their employees stupid enoguh to not get vaccinated is one of the best things for the pandemic.
The other would be like the frenchies barring them from basically everything else
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2021, 02:21:21 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1417913400236064769?s=19
Post by: reuben on July 21, 2021, 05:04:47 PM
Oh, you're so close Candy. So close!
r/selfawarewolves
Post by: Badger on July 22, 2021, 08:33:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 22, 2021, 10:51:15 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 22, 2021, 11:25:10 AM
https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1418210466656972808?s=21
I'm absolutely fine with plague rats making the choice to get sick, but can we at least segregate them from functioning adult members of society please?
Post by: delavan on July 22, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1418210466656972808?s=21
....after being discharged from the hospital, mr. rowe stepped off the curb to meet his wife waiting on the opposite side of the street....at that moment, a UPS truck careening down the street at an excessive rate of speed lost control and hit mr. rowe, killing him instantly.
The End.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Q80Dgh53HDlcZsRoYA/giphy.gif)
when's training camp starting?...
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2021, 06:28:58 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 06:57:31 AM
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1418226827907141635?s=19
Not that I have faith in any government in handling things properly
But one thing to keep in mind is the average person is completely and entirely freaking retarded.
So this excrement might matter when it comes to elections, but people have absolutely freaking no idea what's best for them or for a dire situation.
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2021, 07:55:10 AM
Not that I have faith in any government in handling things properly"When I mistrust the government it's because I'm wise and learned, when other people do the same thing it's because they're stupid assholes."
But one thing to keep in mind is the average person is completely and entirely freaking retarded.
So this excrement might matter when it comes to elections, but people have absolutely freaking no idea what's best for them or for a dire situation.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 08:19:42 AM
"When I mistrust the government it's because I'm wise and learned, when other people do the same thing it's because they're stupid assholes."
I think there's a difference between overtly distrusting, and simply thinking the government is incompetent.
I don't think the government is trying to spy on me, arrest me, or any of this other crazy conspiracy theory excrement
I am just of the belief that anything the government does the private sector can and will do better
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2021, 09:24:48 AM
I think there's a difference between overtly distrusting, and simply thinking the government is incompetent.Except literally anything that's not profitable to do.
I don't think the government is trying to spy on me, arrest me, or any of this other crazy conspiracy theory excrement
I am just of the belief that anything the government does the private sector can and will do better
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2021, 09:52:22 AM
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After talking to a lot of vaccinated folks in Plattsburgh, I finally found someone who was unvaccinated and willing to talk. Eric Deyo-Pugh was coming out of a farm supply store. He told me he doesn’t get vaccinated against the flu and isn’t planning to get the COVID vaccine.
“I don’t really have a lot of faith in what’s out there," said Deyo-Pugh. "A lot of reading, a lot of people are skeptical, so I’m kind of on that bandwagon.”
Deyo-Pugh said people can choose not to be around unvaccinated people like him. But he wasn’t wearing a mask in the store, despite clear signage that unvaccinated people should wear a mask. So I asked him about that.
“I don’t really have a reason for that," said Deyo-Pugh. "Are people going around going, ‘Let me see your [vaccine] card, let me see your card?’ No. And I don’t think they should.”
[...]
I asked Deyo-Pugh if there was anyone who could convince him to get vaccinated. "What about the leading scientists in the country saying, ‘Wear a mask and then get the vaccine’? Why does that not convince you?" I ask.
“I guess I just don’t watch the news," Deyo-Pugh responded. "I’m not really affiliated with any political agenda.”
I respond by saying that Dr. Anthony Fauci, who was under Trump and now is under Biden is not with CNN, he’s just a leading doctor. He's not a political guy and he’s saying everyone should get the vaccine.
“Maybe he’s pushing something that I don’t know," Deyo-Pugh responded.
Our conversation went on like this for about 10 minutes. Deyo-Pugh kept saying he wasn’t political, doesn’t follow the news much, but also doesn’t believe the overwhelming consensus from health experts.
Deyo-Pugh said he’d only consider getting vaccinated years from now after the pandemic ran its course.
“If it was a proven deal like a polio vaccine or something, then yes I would [get the vaccine]. I need the hard evidence, though, that it’s going to solve the whole problem.”
https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/44181/20210723/contagious-delta-covid-is-in-the-north-country-but-many-still-decline-vaccines
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
Except literally anything that's not profitable to do.
Not for profit healthcare organizations seem quite a bit better than government ones.
Public policing, teaching seem pretty freaking shitty.
And theoretically I imagine anything could be profitable under the right circumstances
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 23, 2021, 05:19:47 PM
"When I mistrust the government it's because I'm wise and learned, when other people do the same thing it's because they're stupid assholes."
'if you're not mistrusting of the gov't about everything/anything the way i am then you're a sheep. instead, i'd prefer you to be the type of sheep that follows everything i say without question, and i'm going to call you a sheep until you do'.
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1419007401177518084?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on July 25, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
See you guys in 2024
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1419007401177518084?s=19
Fyp
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2021, 11:01:43 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2021, 10:47:08 PM
Been way too long since Mark of the Beast was invoked
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2021, 06:25:13 AM
https://twitter.com/wendyrogersaz/status/1419773739693137927?s=21An actual state senator, very cool.
Been way too long since Mark of the Beast was invoked
(((globalists)))
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2021, 11:45:30 AM
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2021, 04:00:19 PM
NYC will require all municipal workers to receive the COVID-19 vaccine by September 13 or they will need to be tested weekly for COVID-19.
And why the hell not, esp. cops (keep your un-vaxed freakin mitts off me Occifer Krumpke)
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2021, 04:37:13 PM
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
Out of curiosity does this include all NYC public school teachers?Appears so
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2021, 06:07:10 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2021, 07:24:27 PM
PUT ON YER MASK, WALDO!(https://j.gifs.com/Y7WkLA.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253097693.html
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
Ron DeSantis is doing such a great job:Don't worry, his next ban on trans athletes teaching CRT will solve everything.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253097693.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 29, 2021, 12:26:53 PM
Edit: well here's two
https://www.popville.com/2021/07/dc-danny-meyer-restaurant-vaccine-requirement/ (https://www.popville.com/2021/07/dc-danny-meyer-restaurant-vaccine-requirement/)
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2021, 03:10:13 PM
Post by: delavan on July 29, 2021, 07:55:25 PM
President Biden is calling for $100 payments to every newly vaccinated American, to be paid by state and local governments with stimulus funds. -WSJ
This I can understand: https://www.cslplasma.com/find-a-donation-center?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyOX978mJ8gIV6PvICh1DIQzGEAAYASAAEgI-i_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
The $100 vaccine carrot I cannot.
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 29, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
If you refuse to be a responsible member of society, you shouldn't get to be a functional member of society. No vax? Stay the freak in your house. You're not welcome anywhere.
I read it somewhere the other day: stop offering the carrot, it's time to hit them with the stick.
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2021, 07:56:47 AM
https://twitter.com/nataliesurely/status/1421065914057908227?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2021, 10:02:16 AM
The system works
https://twitter.com/nataliesurely/status/1421065914057908227?s=19
Is it the healthcare system's fault that they don't know it's free?
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2021, 10:07:44 AM
Is it the healthcare system's fault that they don't know it's free?A. Yes
B. Some providers have still been asking people for their insurance at the time of vaccination
C. It could be entirely avoided in a single payer system where people never pay out of pocket for medical care
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
I'm gonna live forever.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2021, 01:47:28 PM
A. Yes
B. Some providers have still been asking people for their insurance at the time of vaccination
C. It could be entirely avoided in a single payer system where people never pay out of pocket for medical care
It could also be avoided by people learning how to freaking read, it's freaking completley 100% free and people just want to make this into a class warfare bullshit.
There's countless legitimate arguments you can make for universal medicaid. This is not one
I was asked for nothing when I got vaccinated not even sure if they asked for ID tbh though I imagine they at least peaked at my license
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2021, 06:13:52 PM
They're charging the insurance companies whenever possible and have been all along.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2021, 08:00:47 PM
https://twitter.com/CarlosNBC6/status/1421211285614641152 (https://twitter.com/CarlosNBC6/status/1421211285614641152)
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2021, 09:29:06 PM
I've had to give my health insurance info every single time I've been tested. 6 times now?
They're charging the insurance companies whenever possible and have been all along.
🤷♂️
Definitely not a thing where I am
But regardless getting vaccinated isn't the same as getting tested.
If they're asking for insurance when vaccinating you that sucks, but that is not what I've seen in my region/social circles
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2021, 09:38:24 PM
I...just...Jesus freaking Christ.
https://twitter.com/CarlosNBC6/status/1421211285614641152 (https://twitter.com/CarlosNBC6/status/1421211285614641152)
I'm cool with a governor saying that it's unacceptable for schools to mandate masks for students just because.
I'm not a fan of all the bullshit justification behind that post, makes it seem dishonest.
Uhhh students shouldn't have to wear masks because of bacteria and fungus? Nonsense.
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2021, 09:53:38 PM
It could also be avoided by people learning how to freaking read, it's freaking completley 100% free and people just want to make this into a class warfare bullshit."This thing is evidently bad and here's statistics backing it up"
There's countless legitimate arguments you can make for universal medicaid. This is not one
I was asked for nothing when I got vaccinated not even sure if they asked for ID tbh though I imagine they at least peaked at my license
"Well it didn't happen to me so it's not happening"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2021, 10:06:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2021, 10:23:42 PM
"This thing is evidently bad and here's statistics backing it up"
"Well it didn't happen to me so it's not happening"
Except insurance literally isn't required to get the vaccine
One could extrapolate from the data uninsured people under the age of 65 are the least likely to be vaccinated for a variety of reasons.
Being under 65 they're at low risk, and if they're uninsured they probably don't have a job (or a job that requires a vaccination).
It's also not unreasonable to imagine that dumb derriere mother fuckers under the age of 65 are less likely to have health insurance. So is it insane to believe that dumb derriere mother fuckers are less likely to get vaccinated?
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2021, 10:57:32 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2021, 11:02:54 PM
We are seeing the result of a population conditioned to fear massive financial punishment for seeking healthcare. It doesn't matter if you think they're stupid - the system is failing them.
Their numbers aren't a whole lot different from Republicans, presumably who are a bunch of uneducated hillbillies with delusional antivaxxer bullshit
I will say if they split those numbers up a little bit more ie uninsured over and under 40 years old it could paint a better picture.
Right now it's easy to assume that it's full of a ton of children in their teens 20s and 30s who don't have real jobs and have no issues or desire to get vaccinated.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2021, 11:27:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 01, 2021, 03:33:21 PM
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-7ca97f0d685ab25559cf9b51cfc077eb
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2021, 04:15:58 PM
Florida over the 10k hospitalizations for COVID. Highest since the start of the pandemic.
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-7ca97f0d685ab25559cf9b51cfc077eb
While I'm overwhelmingly anti anti-vaxxer, I tend to find these articles kind of dishonest when they don't mention patients in the ICU or deaths.
Is there 10,000 hospitalizations with severe COVID-19 ending up dead or in the ICU?
Or are we talking 10,000 barely symptomatic people who are hospitalized simply for observation (because of age comorbidities simply to isolate them from nursing homes facilities etc so they're not spreading)
Without context the number can mean two completely different things
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 01, 2021, 04:29:11 PM
While I'm overwhelmingly anti anti-vaxxer, I tend to find these articles kind of dishonest when they don't mention patients in the ICU or deaths.
Is there 10,000 hospitalizations with severe COVID-19 ending up dead or in the ICU?
Or are we talking 10,000 barely symptomatic people who are hospitalized simply for observation (because of age comorbidities simply to isolate them from nursing homes facilities etc so they're not spreading)
Without context the number can mean two completely different things
Inclusive.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2021, 04:49:47 PM
Inclusive.
Without the numbers it means much much less
Context matters and they don't give any context
. Presumably it's a lot easier to write the headline and not the article
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 01, 2021, 09:10:51 PM
Without the numbers it means much much less
Context matters and they don't give any context
. Presumably it's a lot easier to write the headline and not the article
If you think averaging 1,500+ hospitalizations over the course the previous week in a state with some of the most vulnerable populations in the country is meaningless then you have some serious problems.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2021, 10:57:08 PM
If you think averaging 1,500+ hospitalizations over the course the previous week in a state with some of the most vulnerable populations in the country is meaningless then you have some serious problems.
No, I'm saying that only publishing half of the data makes me question the agenda.
Not to suggest there's not a resurgence as the data is the data.
Post by: Johnny English on August 03, 2021, 08:40:07 PM
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/vaccinations-no-more-carrot-bring-out-the-stick/
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 03, 2021, 09:08:21 PM
https://variety.com/2021/music/news/offspring-drummer-vaccinated-tour-1235033959/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://variety.com/2021/music/news/offspring-drummer-vaccinated-tour-1235033959/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Post by: reuben on August 03, 2021, 09:16:53 PM
Pete Parada has been fired from the Offspring for not getting vaccinated. He claims he cannot get the shot due to a medical reason but does not specify.
https://variety.com/2021/music/news/offspring-drummer-vaccinated-tour-1235033959/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://variety.com/2021/music/news/offspring-drummer-vaccinated-tour-1235033959/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Yeah, if you were going to get canned from any band for not getting vaxxed, it would probably be the band whose lead singer wrote the following:
Holland, Bryan (2017). Discovery of mature microRNA sequences within the protein-coding regions of global HIV-1 genomes: predictions of novel mechanisms for viral infection and pathogenicity (Thesis). University of Southern California.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 03, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Pete Parada has been fired from the Offspring for not getting vaccinated. He claims he cannot get the shot due to a medical reason but does not specify.
https://variety.com/2021/music/news/offspring-drummer-vaccinated-tour-1235033959/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://variety.com/2021/music/news/offspring-drummer-vaccinated-tour-1235033959/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
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“Given my personal medical history and the side-effect profile of these jabs, my doctor has advised me not to get a shot at this time,” he continued. “I caught the virus over a year ago, it was mild for me – so I am confident I’d be able to handle it again, but I’m not so certain I’d survive another post-vaccination round of Guillain-Barré Syndrome which dates back to my childhood and has evolved to be progressively worse over my lifetime. Unfortunately for me, (and my family – who is hoping to keep me around a bit longer) the risks far outweigh the benefits.”
This is one of the very few truly legit reasons for someone to not get the vaccine
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 03, 2021, 09:40:08 PM
This is one of the very few truly legit reasons for someone to not get the vaccine
Completely missed that paragraph. Thanks for posting it.
Post by: Johnny English on August 03, 2021, 10:07:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 03, 2021, 10:32:13 PM
I had no idea Dexter was such an interesting dude. Just spent 5 minutes reading his bio and, well.
I didn’t know about the ten day round the world solo flight.
Post by: Johnny English on August 03, 2021, 11:56:21 PM
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1421931374567563264?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
This is correct.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/vaccinations-no-more-carrot-bring-out-the-stick/
“ Who are these people? The University of Sydney conducted a study of the unvaccinated in Australia, Canada, the U.K. and the U.S. It found that, in comparison to the population at large, these people tended to have “less agreeable personalities”, be less cooperative with others, more selfish, and more extroverted. (In the vernacular, the term is “assholes”.)”
Without getting into Vaxx/Anti-Vaxx, it’s pretty clear that this is a very common trend.
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2021, 10:50:19 AM
“ Who are these people? The University of Sydney conducted a study of the unvaccinated in Australia, Canada, the U.K. and the U.S. It found that, in comparison to the population at large, these people tended to have “less agreeable personalities”, be less cooperative with others, more selfish, and more extroverted. (In the vernacular, the term is “assholes”.)”Excuse me, these fine folks are rugged individualists. Read Atlas Shrugged.
Without getting into Vaxx/Anti-Vaxx, it’s pretty clear that this is a very common trend.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 04, 2021, 11:43:55 AM
I'm sure vaccine skeptics like say DeAndre Hopkins for example reliably vote red.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 04, 2021, 11:50:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2021, 12:00:57 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 04, 2021, 12:07:29 PM
No one is ignoring them, they are just rightfully pointing out the much bigger issue.
There is literal partisan blame being cast here from one side to another.
It’s annoying how the vaccine is always politicized. I don’t think that has anything to do with why Hopkins, Cole Beasley, or Kirk Cousins don’t want to get the vaccine. They probably all have their individual “reasons”
I don't disagree but everything is now politicized.
By the same token, as someone who's vaccinated, I could care less what other people decide to do, but see the slippery slope in a government mandate. I'm vaccinated. The chances of me getting seriously ill to the point of hospitalization are mitigated (supposedly). That was the whole point. My individual choice was what it was.
If people don't want the jab, let them live life on their terms and at their own risk. We've all been told by virtue of our respective shots that we're protected. The only gray area I see is protecting those (like the drummer from Offspring) who because of pre-existing health conditions can't protect themselves.
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2021, 12:15:38 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1422940638002225156?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on August 04, 2021, 12:19:17 PM
I don't disagree but everything is now politicized.
By the same token, as someone who's vaccinated, I could care less what other people decide to do, but see the slippery slope in a government mandate. I'm vaccinated. The chances of me getting seriously ill to the point of hospitalization are mitigated (supposedly). That was the whole point. My individual choice was what it was.
If people don't want the jab, let them live life on their terms and at their own risk. We've all been told by virtue of our respective shots that we're protected. The only gray area I see is protecting those (like the drummer from Offspring) who because of pre-existing health conditions can't protect themselves.
You are trying to make a complex issue simple. There are way more issues with people choosing not to get vaccinated than just "freak them I'll be fine". What about hospitals getting affected by this and all the burnout of nurses and doctors having to deal with this excrement? Further mutations, long-term effects of getting covid even if you are vaccinated and survive....
Post by: mj2sexay on August 04, 2021, 12:27:58 PM
You are trying to make a complex issue simple. There are way more issues with people choosing not to get vaccinated than just "freak them I'll be fine". What about hospitals getting affected by this and all the burnout of nurses and doctors having to deal with this excrement? Further mutations, long-term effects of getting covid even if you are vaccinated and survive....
Further mutations are going to happen regardless.
Hospitals, doctors and nurses are there to take care of the sick.
People are allowed agency over their own bodies, especially when we've been told that if we're vaccinated we're safe from any sort of dire consequence when it comes to catching the virus.
It's actually very simple. Again, its neither your place, nor mine, nor anyone else's to mandate that people get vaccinated. Are you vaccinated? Yes? Then theoretically you have nothing to worry about.
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 12:37:42 PM
Further mutations are going to happen regardless.
Hospitals, doctors and nurses are there to take care of the sick.
People are allowed agency over their own bodies, especially when we've been told that if we're vaccinated we're safe from any sort of dire consequence when it comes to catching the virus.
It's actually very simple. Again, its neither your place, nor mine, nor anyone else's to mandate that people get vaccinated. Are you vaccinated? Yes? Then theoretically you have nothing to worry about.
It's impressive that we've come this far into the pandemic and people are still so wilfully ignorant about things like vaccines and masks.
Yes, they provide us with individual protection, but they're only truly effective if everyone does their part. Otherwise the virus continues to migrate amongst the ranks of the unvaccinated, continues to be provided with new opportunities to mutate, and thus increases the risk of a vaccine-resistant strain coming into being.
So in very real terms, those deliberately choosing to not be vaccinated for anything other than medical reasons are creating a greater risk for you, me, and everyone else who is doing their bit. People are allowed agency over their own bodies. We are equally allowed to shun, ridicule and exclude them for being delusional self-centred ignorant shitheads.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 04, 2021, 12:44:13 PM
Further mutations are going to happen regardless.The more virus out there replicating because dickholes don't get vaccinated, the larger the number of mutations. It's a numbers game.
Hospitals, doctors and nurses are there to take care of the sick.
People are allowed agency over their own bodies, especially when we've been told that if we're vaccinated we're safe from any sort of dire consequence when it comes to catching the virus.
It's actually very simple. Again, its neither your place, nor mine, nor anyone else's to mandate that people get vaccinated. Are you vaccinated? Yes? Then theoretically you have nothing to worry about.
Well, freak the hospital workers I guess, and freak me for giving a excrement about someone's wellbeing.
No one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and yes people have dominion over their bodies. No one said we should force vaccinations by holding people down against their will.and stabbing them with a needle. But it's damn time to make it rougher on these people for freaking everything up for everyone else.
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2021, 12:46:30 PM
So in very real terms, those deliberately choosing to not be vaccinated for anything other than medical reasons are creating a greater risk for you, me, and everyone else who is doing their bit. People are allowed agency over their own bodies. We are equally allowed to shun, ridicule and exclude them for being delusional self-centred ignorant shitheads.
1000x this
Post by: mj2sexay on August 04, 2021, 12:52:03 PM
It's impressive that we've come this far into the pandemic and people are still so wilfully ignorant about things like vaccines and masks.
This is hilarious, but not for the reason you'd think considering one of the top infectious disease doctors in the country who's also a top advisor to the Biden admin (Dr. Michael Osterholm) literally went on CNN to unequivocally state that unless everyone is wearing N-95's the whole cloth mask exercise is pointless.
Yes, they provide us with individual protection, but they're only truly effective if everyone does their part. Otherwise the virus continues to migrate amongst the ranks of the unvaccinated, continues to be provided with new opportunities to mutate, and thus increases the risk of a vaccine-resistant strain coming into being.
A virus is going to mutate against a vaccine. Why do you think the flu has never been eradicated. To say it's the unvaccinated that is fostering and accelerating mutations is blatantly anti-science and nonsensical fearmongering.
We are equally allowed to shun, ridicule and exclude them for being delusional self-centred ignorant shitheads.
Not via government compulsion and mandate you're not.
No one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and yes people have dominion over their bodies. No one said we should force vaccinations by holding people down against their will.and stabbing them with a needle. But it's damn time to make it rougher on these people for freaking everything up for everyone else.
"I don't think we should mandate vaccines, but via government compulsion we should make the lives of the unvaccinated as difficult as possible!"
On top of being completely incongruent, its also an absurdly authoritarian position to take.
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
A virus is going to mutate against a vaccine. Why do you think the flu has never been eradicated. To say it's the unvaccinated that is fostering and accelerating mutations is blatantly anti-science and nonsensical fearmongering.
No. You are completely failing to understand how this works.
A virus is not an intelligent being that encounters a vaccine and tries to figure out a way to get round it. Mutations are accidental occurrences; the more carriers it travels to, the more chances of a mutation occurring. And occasionally that mutation will just happen to eradicate the thing that the vaccine has created antibodies to attack, thus enabling the virus to suddenly pass to a vaccinated individual, from whom it goes to two more, then four, then eight, and so on.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the greater the chance of a mutation occurring that is immune to the antibodies created by vaccines. This isn't complicated, or a matter of debate or uncertainty.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 04, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
No. You are completely failing to understand how this works.
A virus is not an intelligent being that encounters a vaccine and tries to figure out a way to get round it. Mutations are accidental occurrences; the more carriers it travels to, the more chances of a mutation occurring. And occasionally that mutation will just happen to eradicate the thing that the vaccine has created antibodies to attack, thus enabling the virus to suddenly pass to a vaccinated individual, from whom it goes to two more, then four, then eight, and so on.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the greater the chance of a mutation occurring that is immune to the antibodies created by vaccines. This isn't complicated, or a matter of debate or uncertainty.
Are you seriously submitting that vaccine resistant strains of all sorts of different viruses don't exist?
Post by: Badger on August 04, 2021, 01:22:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 02:09:16 PM
Are you seriously submitting that vaccine resistant strains of all sorts of different viruses don't exist?
Of course I'm not. I'm talking about how vaccine resistant strains come into being. They're the result of a numbers game, numbers that are increased by people refusing to get a vaccine.
Here, do yourself a favour and educate yourself a bit:
https://www.breakthroughs.com/advancing-medical-research/how-do-viruses-mutate-and-what-it-means-vaccine
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 02:44:54 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html
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Even more important, he adds, scientists underestimated the sheer scale the pandemic would eventually achieve—a critical factor, because the more people a virus infects, the more opportunities it has to develop significant mutations. "Having billions of people infected presents a breeding ground for variants unlike anything we've ever seen with these sorts of viruses," he says.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 04, 2021, 03:12:25 PM
And here you go, hot off the press:
https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
Again, not making the claim vaccines don't work, but the idea that mutations can't occur in the face of a vaccinated populace, or that the unvaccinated are to blame is IMHO faulty.
Anyway, on a practical level and steering the conversation back to the topic at hand; the CDC came out today and said that 28.4 percent of the black community is currently vaccinated.
On top of therefore creating legislation re: vaccine or proof of vaccination mandates that IMHO leads to a slippery slope, a stat like that can absolutely make the case that any legislation should fail because whether intentional or not, there's a race based effect.
But hey, according to that article you posted, they're all just getting misled by fox news.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 04, 2021, 03:21:22 PM
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
Again, not making the claim vaccines don't work, but the idea that mutations can't occur in the face of a vaccinated populace, or that the unvaccinated are to blame is IMHO faulty.
Anyway, on a practical level and steering the conversation back to the topic at hand; the CDC came out today and said that 28.4 percent of the black community is currently vaccinated.
On top of therefore creating legislation re: vaccine or proof of vaccination mandates that IMHO leads to a slippery slope, a stat like that can absolutely make the case that any legislation should fail because whether intentional or not, there's a race based effect.
But hey, according to that article you posted, they're all just getting misled by fox news.
No one said mutations can't occur in the face of a vaccinated population. They are more likely to occur with less of a vaccinated population because there are more virus particles out there. Numbers.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 04, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Anyway, on a practical level and steering the conversation back to the topic at hand; the CDC came out today and said that 28.4 percent of the black community is currently vaccinated.
I saw 28.4% of the 18-24 year old black population just on a quick search, not the whole black population.
EDIT: Nevermind, my article was old.
I don't see anyone but Dr. Drew mentioning that specific statistic. Can't find it on the CDC website. Either way, I don't doubt a smaller percentage of the black population is vaccinated.
Post by: Johnny English on August 04, 2021, 04:31:37 PM
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
Again, not making the claim vaccines don't work, but the idea that mutations can't occur in the face of a vaccinated populace, or that the unvaccinated are to blame is IMHO faulty.
I don't care what your humble opinion is because it isn't a matter of opinion - it's a clearly established matter of scientific fact that the greater the unvaccinated population, the greater the likelihood of mutations that are able to bypass the current vaccines. I don't give a excrement if people who choose not to get vaccinated because of their own dumb reasons get sick and die, but I do care about them putting the rest of us at greater risk.
I don't buy slippery slope arguments either, because it's a global freaking pandemic the like of which has not been seen in living memory. I'm quite OK with us doing things that we wouldn't otherwise do to deal with a situation that we haven't had to deal with before. I'm not even sure that discrimination of service is a slippery slope, given it exists in a multitude of ways already. We don't let people drive cars if they don't have a driver's license or if they've been drinking, because they are a danger to others. In exactly the same way I see absolutely no issue with a government issuing a vaccination certificate that businesses can use to refuse them service, for exactly the same reasons. Are religious feelings about baking a cake somehow more important than public health and safety?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2021, 11:16:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2021, 11:30:02 PM
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
Again, not making the claim vaccines don't work, but the idea that mutations can't occur in the face of a vaccinated populace, or that the unvaccinated are to blame is IMHO faulty.
Anyway, on a practical level and steering the conversation back to the topic at hand; the CDC came out today and said that 28.4 percent of the black community is currently vaccinated.
On top of therefore creating legislation re: vaccine or proof of vaccination mandates that IMHO leads to a slippery slope, a stat like that can absolutely make the case that any legislation should fail because whether intentional or not, there's a race based effect.
But hey, according to that article you posted, they're all just getting misled by fox news.
…… what are you even arguing here?
People shouldn’t get vaccinated because mutations occur?
Black people shouldn’t be held responsible for getting vaccinated like we’re advocating for everyone? This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. Everyone should get vaccinated.
You’re so far down your own rabbit hole that you’re not close defending anything logical or honorable, but keep doing you.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 10:20:03 AM
…… what are you even arguing here?
People shouldn’t get vaccinated because mutations occur?
Black people shouldn’t be held responsible for getting vaccinated like we’re advocating for everyone? This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. Everyone should get vaccinated.
You’re so far down your own rabbit hole that you’re not close defending anything logical or honorable, but keep doing you.
Lol, what. Where did you get this nonsense?
I'm arguing its absurd to demand a government mandated vaccine program, or actually penalize people on the basis of making an INDIVIDUAL medical decision on the basis of mutations, when demonstratively, mutations would and will happen in the face of a vaccine anyway. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-07-30T13%3A00%3A11
As for the second point, it's not even an argument, its a demonstrated fact that depriving people of opportunity and access via vaccine mandates will have a detrimental effect on minority communities and be outright segregationist.
That's some really impressive strawmanning that shows either an outward contempt for the person making the argument and therefore trying to attack just to attack, or a woeful lack of reading comprehension. So which is it?
"Everyone should get vaccinated." Seriously, who are you or anyone else to say that? It's an individual medical decision. You have absolutely no idea as to why people chose not to get vaccinated, nor do you care. Better to just ostracize and demonize.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 10:28:11 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/04/politics/austin-pentagon-vaccine-mandate/index.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/04/politics/austin-pentagon-vaccine-mandate/index.html)
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
Lol, what. Where did you get this nonsense?Stfu and get vaccinated.
I'm arguing its absurd to demand a government mandated vaccine program, or actually penalize people on the basis of making an INDIVIDUAL medical decision on the basis of mutations, when demonstratively, mutations would and will happen in the face of a vaccine anyway. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-07-30T13%3A00%3A11
As for the second point, it's not even an argument, its a demonstrated fact that depriving people of opportunity and access via vaccine mandates will have a detrimental effect on minority communities and be outright segregationist.
That's some really impressive strawmanning that shows either an outward contempt for the person making the argument and therefore trying to attack just to attack, or a woeful lack of reading comprehension. So which is it?
"Everyone should get vaccinated." Seriously, who are you or anyone else to say that? It's an individual medical decision. You have absolutely no idea as to why people chose not to get vaccinated, nor do you care. Better to just ostracize and demonize.
If you can't due to medical reasons, then fine.
That's it. No more no less. There's no other gray area.
We're past personal freedoms and rights...
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 10:39:04 AM
DoD set to make thr vaccine mandatory. Could be as early as the end of the month.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/04/politics/austin-pentagon-vaccine-mandate/index.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/04/politics/austin-pentagon-vaccine-mandate/index.html)
Despite my previous stance on government mandates, I have absolutely no problem with this.
Stfu and get vaccinated.
If you can't due to medical reasons, then fine.
That's it. No more no less. There's no other gray area.
We're past personal freedoms and rights...
Yeah, this is such authoritarian bullshit.
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 10:42:10 AM
Despite my previous stance on government mandates, I have absolutely no problem with this.Yes...saving lives is authoritarian bullshit.
Yeah, this is such authoritarian bullshit.
eyeroll.bat
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2021, 10:52:43 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 11:09:34 AM
muh freedom!
If we're so fuckin concerned about the unvaccinated, where's this energy when it comes to the fact that the present administration is literally bussing unvaccinated illegal immigrants into your own state.
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
If we're so fuckin concerned about the unvaccinated, where's this energy when it comes to the fact that the present administration is literally bussing unvaccinated illegal immigrants into your own state.#DeflectionSZN
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
#DeflectionSZN
It's not a deflection at all, its a point of fact.
But hey government simp just mandate people introduce something in their bodies against their will with no agency for themselves. MUH GUVMENT SAYS ITS OK!
Forget about Operation Sea Spray, MK Ultra, Tuskegee, or for that matter the fact that MuH gUVmEnt did everything they could through blatant propaganda tactics to label anyone who tried to state the freaking truth about the origins of this thing being a lab leak as conspiracy theorists.
Nah. No reason to be skeptical at all!
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 12:14:42 PM
It's not a deflection at all, its a point of fact.You keep dancing around the original point like you're in a Michael Jackson video.
But hey government simp just mandate people introduce something in their bodies against their will with no agency for themselves. MUH GUVMENT SAYS ITS OK!
Forget about Operation Sea Spray, MK Ultra, Tuskegee, or for that matter the fact that MuH gUVmEnt did everything they could through blatant propaganda tactics to label anyone who tried to state the freaking truth about the origins of this thing being a lab leak as conspiracy theorists.
Nah. No reason to be skeptical at all!
Let me help you...the point was (again) is that unless you have a legit medical reason that prevents you from getting vaccinated, there's zero reason to NOT get vaccinated. It's a matter of saving lives.
I don't give a fiddlers' freak how this affects govt policy or whatever other horseshit you dredge up to poorly execute a feeble argument.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 12:19:28 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 12:32:56 PM
You keep dancing around the original point like you're in a Michael Jackson video.
Let me help you...the point was (again) is that unless you have a legit medical reason that prevents you from getting vaccinated, there's zero reason to NOT get vaccinated. It's a matter of saving lives.
I don't give a fiddlers' freak how this affects govt policy or whatever other horseshit you dredge up to poorly execute a feeble argument.
I'm not dancing around excrement. You've made your position on this known, and its incredibly authoritarian. GET THE JAB AGAINST YOUR WILL, OR ELSE.
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 01:41:37 PM
I'm not dancing around excrement. You've made your position on this known, and its incredibly authoritarian. GET THE JAB AGAINST YOUR WILL, OR ELSE.
Yeah, and it's an eminently reasonable position. "I DON'T WANNA" is not a defensible position against laws about driving while drunk or waving a loaded gun around a shopping mall or a whole host of other legislature designed to ensure common safety, and no one's even asking for a law mandating people get vaccinated, only laws that prevent plague rats from associating with the rest of us.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 01:45:33 PM
Yeah, and it's an eminently reasonable position. "I DON'T WANNA" is not a defensible position against laws about driving while drunk or waving a loaded gun around a shopping mall or a whole host of other legislature designed to ensure common safety
Apples and bowling balls in terms of a comparison, and also dismissive of people's reasoning. It's alot more then I DON'T WANNA.
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
Apples and bowling balls in terms of a comparison, and also dismissive of people's reasoning. It's alot more then I DON'T WANNA.
While you continue looking at this through the lens of "if I'm vaccinated then it makes no difference to me whether other people are" you will continue to be wrong on this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 01:55:03 PM
https://twitter.com/rise_alien/status/1423011131841470470?s=19 (https://twitter.com/rise_alien/status/1423011131841470470?s=19)
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2021, 02:16:15 PM
Quote
The latest CDC data, published Thursday, shows that at least 2,065 adults and 47 children were admitted with Covid-19 into Florida hospitals since the previous day. Texas trailed behind Florida with at least 1,318 adults and 40 pediatric Covid-19 hospitalization admissions.
Florida also leads the nation in the total number of children hospitalized with confirmed Covid-19 cases. CDC data shows at least 143 children are hospitalized in Florida, with 140 children hospitalized in Texas.
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 04:09:05 PM
I'm not dancing around excrement. You've made your position on this known, and its incredibly authoritarian. GET THE JAB AGAINST YOUR WILL, OR ELSE.Stop looking at it like it's an infringement on your personal rights. It's bigger than that.
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 04:09:44 PM
Apples and bowling balls in terms of a comparison, and also dismissive of people's reasoning. It's alot more then I DON'T WANNA.No it isnt
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 04:31:46 PM
Yes science has become EXTREMELY politicized way past the point of appropriateness. We've seen it on scientist waffling and redefining sex characteristics, we've seen it with COVID when it's you're not allowed to be around other people or everyone will die. Unless you're protesting racial inequality in which case it's totally okay and safe.
But we also have a blatantly obvious global pandemic that has killed millions, caused hundreds of billions if not trillions in economic damage, and has unknown but tremendous impact on the mental health of many and countless other unmeasured health impacts that will likely never be known.
We live in a society of selfishness, ignorance, and flat out freaking retardedness? Every step of the pandemic mankind has shown that they are unwilling to do the right thing, thus this disease continues to cause relentless defestation.
If this was a year and a half ago and you wanted to make these arguments about personal freedoms and bullshit you could, and I would probably mostly agree with you. But at this point it's clear that nobody has a freaking clue about anything, and stupidity is at an all time high. The vaccine is the only definitive weapon against the pandemic and we're seeing stupidity clash against that to the detriment of us all
The science of vaccines is rock solid, herd immunity is not a new concept (we've seen in recent years diseases like the measles making a resurgence because of looney toon nut jobs). So it's not like someone's trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. This is one of the rare occasions that I think an authoritian precence is needed. Hurry up get this freaking excrement resolved, then come up with a reasonable plan to prevent something like this from being so politicized again in the future (though I'd think it's fairly unlikely since the bizarreness of Trump was obviously a key factor)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 04:35:24 PM
Apples and bowling balls in terms of a comparison, and also dismissive of people's reasoning. It's alot more then I DON'T WANNA.
It's 99% ignorance. Flat out.
I've been extremely anti anti-vaxxer in the past when it comes to flu shots, measles, polio, all that freaking nonsense. Yet people will always ride their delusions into the sunset. Unless you're one of the truly rare people with a medical reason not to get vaccinated (ie less than 1% of the antivaxxers) its purely deluded bullshit.
As far as I'm concerned an antivaxxers is as delusional as a man who thinks he's a woman or a woman thinking she's a man.
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 04:49:43 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 04:56:08 PM
It's 99% ignorance. Flat out.
I've been extremely anti anti-vaxxer in the past when it comes to flu shots, measles, polio, all that freaking nonsense. Yet people will always ride their delusions into the sunset. Unless you're one of the truly rare people with a medical reason not to get vaccinated (ie less than 1% of the antivaxxers) its purely deluded bullshit.
As far as I'm concerned an antivaxxers is as delusional as a man who thinks he's a woman or a woman thinking she's a man.
It's like you missed the post where I provided specific examples of our government lying and poisoning its own citizenry.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 05:01:39 PM
God damn it dcm. Almost two excellent posts in a row and then you went and fucked it with that last line.
Have to relate to the audience you're speaking to
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 05:05:57 PM
It's like you missed the post where I provided specific examples of our government lying and poisoning its own citizenry.
Yes those examples from the 1930s and 1950s are very relatable to today with social media and the internet being the same today as they were then.
And the biggest opposition to the lab leak was the media moreso than the government.
Sure you can argue Fauci shot down the lab leak, but he has a blatant conflicting interest not to mention he was speaking completely out of his realm of expertise.
I'm not going to pretend the CDC wasn't completely incompetent and politicized. But you have to look at where does them lying make sense and where doesn't it?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Yes those examples from the 1930s and 1950s are very relatable to today with social media and the internet being the same today as they were then.
And the biggest opposition to the lab leak was the media moreso than the government.
Sure you can argue Fauci shot down the lab leak, but he has a blatant conflicting interest not to mention he was speaking completely out of his realm of expertise.
I'm not going to pretend the CDC wasn't completely incompetent and politicized. But you have to look at where does them lying make sense and where doesn't it?
Ok, let's get more timely and talk about the CIA flooding our inner cities with crack in the 80's. COINTELPRO, domestic illegal wiretapping on journalists and private citizens. You literally even acknowledge the CDC's incompetence (if not outright insistence on parroting lies from the CCP). Epstein was a suicide, amirite?
People who are being labeled as "ignorant" and "conspiracy theorists" have AMPLE reasons not to trust this. My own reasons for getting vaccinated are my own. I'm not willing to treat people like excrement on the basis that they think differently.
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 05:16:03 PM
Ok, let's get more timely and talk about the CIA flooding our inner cities with crack in the 80's. COINTELPRO, domestic illegal wiretapping on journalists and private citizens. You literally even acknowledge the CDC's incompetence (if not outright insistence on parroting lies from the CCP). Epstein was a suicide, amirite?
People who are being labeled as "ignorant" and "conspiracy theorists" have AMPLE reasons not to trust this. My own reasons for getting vaccinated are my own. I'm not willing to treat people like excrement on the basis that they think differently.
Let's reframe the argument for a second.
If you were sending your kids to a public school, and this public school was allowing a bunch of left wing hippies to send their unvaccinated kids to school during the midst of the greatest measles + polio epidemic of all time. How would you feel about that?
Vaccine science is long long established, it's not some new fantastical thing. The data on outcomes (even covid) is rock solid. Sure there are unknowns due to the circumstances of this rollout, but this is a global medical emergency
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
Post by: reuben on August 05, 2021, 05:48:03 PM
God damn it dcm. Almost two excellent posts in a row and then you went and fucked it with that last line.
I've been extremely anti anti-vaxxer in the past when it comes to ... measles, polio, all that freaking nonsense.
The last line?
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 06:16:55 PM
The last line?Anti anti
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
The last line?Re-read it.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 07:43:09 PM
The last line?
He was talking about the gender comments I assume
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 07:43:55 PM
Anti anti
That is intended, I am anti anti
Post by: reuben on August 05, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 09:04:18 PM
Anti-anti status confirmed. I am non-un-illiterate.Unalive in a fire
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Unalive in a fire
Well they are called anti vaxxers. To say one is pro vaccine doesn't quite state the desire to see the destruction of those who live in fairyland.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 06, 2021, 07:36:43 AM
Congressman Ralph Norman has contracted COVID-19.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-05/house-lawmaker-suing-pelosi-over-mask-rule-says-he-has-covid (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-05/house-lawmaker-suing-pelosi-over-mask-rule-says-he-has-covid)
Post by: delavan on August 06, 2021, 10:17:06 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/COVID-19_Pandemic-Yard_Sign-Help_Save_Lives%21-St._Louis%2C_MO.jpg/320px-COVID-19_Pandemic-Yard_Sign-Help_Save_Lives%21-St._Louis%2C_MO.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 06, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
That’s just testing positive for patriotism brother
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 06, 2021, 11:20:10 AM
Quite possibly a historic ratio
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 11:54:49 AM
https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1423390210293997570?s=21The replies are elite too
Quite possibly a historic ratio
Post by: mj2sexay on August 06, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
This absolute lying, sociopathic piece of excrement.
Post by: Badger on August 07, 2021, 06:20:50 AM
https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1423877080194953217?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 07, 2021, 08:26:54 AM
Post by: Badger on August 07, 2021, 10:49:27 AM
"Ms. Roa’s coronavirus test bill is among 16 that The New York Times reviewed from the site. They show that Lenox Hill arrives at its unusually high prices by charging a large fee for the test itself - about six times the typical charge - and by billing the encounter as a “moderately complex” emergency room visit.
In one case, a family accrued $39,314 in charges for 12 tests this winter, all taken to fulfill requirements for returning to work or school. In another, an asymptomatic patient walked in because she saw the banner outside and wanted a test after traveling. Her insurance was charged $2,963."
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/08/rightwing-radio-host-dick-farrel-anti-vaxxer-dies-covid
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 08, 2021, 01:10:00 PM
'he was known as the other rush limbaugh. no not that one, the other one'
such a strange thing to say
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
LOLThe NY to FL pipeline strikes again
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/08/rightwing-radio-host-dick-farrel-anti-vaxxer-dies-covid
Post by: delavan on August 08, 2021, 01:46:40 PM
'dope' took his own medicine
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Post by: Badger on August 08, 2021, 04:53:44 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2021, 06:27:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
I don't recall Biden pitching hydroxychloroquine and Regeneron cocktails as cures.
Biden just saw covid as an opportunity for massive welfare spending
Regardless of your views on social issues, fighting covid hasn't been a priority, wealth redistribution has been
Post by: bojanglesman on August 08, 2021, 06:36:17 PM
Biden just saw covid as an opportunity for massive welfare spendingBullshit
Regardless of your views on social issues, fighting covid hasn't been a priority, wealth redistribution has been
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2021, 06:45:35 PM
Biden just saw covid as an opportunity for massive welfare spending
Regardless of your views on social issues, fighting covid hasn't been a priority, wealth redistribution has been
Have you looked at any of my previous posts before trying to convince me that wealth redistribution was a bad thing?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2021, 06:52:26 PM
Have you looked at any of my previous posts before trying to convince me that wealth redistribution was a bad thing?
Im not trying to convince you it's a bad or good thing.
I'm suggesting that it's been a much much much bigger priority than fighting the pandemic.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2021, 06:55:09 PM
Bullshit
Literally everything Biden has done has been about wealth redistribution. With the strongest emphasis on Bidens core constituents
Has Biden really done a whole lot to fight COVID that Trump hasn't? (outside of not acting like a clown, which only Trump can do like Trump anyway)
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2021, 06:55:57 PM
Literally everything Biden has done has been about wealth redistribution. With the strongest emphasis on Bidens core constituents
No
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2021, 07:08:42 PM
No
You can say no, but the money says otherwise
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2021, 07:08:57 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 09, 2021, 07:45:40 AM
Bullshit
It's absolutely true, he's done NOTHING to combat this despite running on "a plan."
Yeah, his plan has been to tell people to take the vaccine that was developed under the previous admin.
You can say no, but the money says otherwise
Also true.
Have you looked at any of my previous posts before trying to convince me that wealth redistribution was a bad thing?
Yeah, except in this case "wealth redistribution" has gone upwards at the expense of small businesses into the hands of a select few.
Anyway, j/w if anyone here was a part of the "sophisticated" crowd thats above masks.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2021, 07:54:49 AM
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2021, 08:22:53 AM
23% of all covid hospitalizations in the US are in Florida. But DeSantis is doing such a good job....I always wondered what DeSantis supposedly ever did during COVID that deserved praise besides his state geographically existing in a place that wasn't as big of an international travel hub as NY. The current situation is just the inevitable result of what he's been doing all along. For all of 2020 it was like a guy who refuses to wear condoms getting praised for not getting STDs yet.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2021, 08:49:41 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 09, 2021, 09:14:45 AM
I always wondered what DeSantis supposedly ever did during COVID that deserved praise besides his state geographically existing in a place that wasn't as big of an international travel hub as NY. The current situation is just the inevitable result of what he's been doing all along. For all of 2020 it was like a guy who refuses to wear condoms getting praised for not getting STDs yet.
Or having the most densely populated state like NJ, or governing the state with the largest homeless population like CA,
Post by: mj2sexay on August 09, 2021, 09:15:39 AM
I bet if DeSantis murdered some old ladies and sexually assaulted some young ones, nobody would even be talking about COVID in his state
LOL
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2021, 12:52:25 PM
Post by: delavan on August 09, 2021, 02:55:21 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/JonestownSign.jpg/640px-JonestownSign.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 09, 2021, 03:13:28 PM
Texas public Schools: we’re doing it anyway
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2021/08/09/dallas-schools-to-require-masks-in-defiance-of-gov-abbotts-order/ (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2021/08/09/dallas-schools-to-require-masks-in-defiance-of-gov-abbotts-order/)
Post by: bojanglesman on August 09, 2021, 03:30:10 PM
If we're so fuckin concerned about the unvaccinated, where's this energy when it comes to the fact that the present administration is literally bussing unvaccinated illegal immigrants into your own state.https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1424732703283417088?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on August 09, 2021, 03:37:13 PM
https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1424732703283417088?s=19
LMAO without getting into the absolute absurdity/untruthfulness that is that comment (specifically offering some sort of "point" with absolutely no existing data to back it up while also asserting absolute falsehoods about tests and vaccinations at the border considering A. we're not accounting for those who actually make it over the boarder without being apprehended, and B. the City of McAllen ALONE stated according to their records that some 7,000 COVID positive illegal immigrants have been released into the city since February without any sort of vaccination or quarantining), is that the same Brianna Keilar that yesterday tried to shift the focus onto Sturgis as opposed to said administration allowing untested and unvaccinated migrants into our country via a stupid open boarder policy by the truckload? Or at least being ideologically consistent if she's going to excrement on Sturgis and doing the same for Lollapalozza or Obama's little garden party?
That Brianna Keilar?
CNN is excrement.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2021, 05:00:01 PM
https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1424732703283417088?s=19
Republicans being anti vaccination is 100% a real problem. But this disease has been devestating in the African American and Hispanic communities, which still are making up a huge number of patients in the ICU
Post by: delavan on August 09, 2021, 05:17:01 PM
Republicans being anti vaccination is 100% a real problem. But this disease has been devestating in the African American and Hispanic communities, which still are making up a huge number of patients in the ICU
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4808.msg432356.html#msg432356
Post by: mj2sexay on August 09, 2021, 05:17:53 PM
Republicans being anti vaccination is 100% a real problem. But this disease has been devestating in the African American and Hispanic communities, which still are making up a huge number of patients in the ICU
Ok.
You have Republican politicians, FoxNews, and the former President who have repeatedly been on point in terms of the messaging for over half a year now re: get vaccinated.
Where's the culpability for the influencers, politicians (including the current POTUS and VP) and media members who initially both casted doubt on Trump's claim and the efficacy of the vaccine itself?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 09, 2021, 06:13:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AaronParnas/status/1424827286591840258?s=19 (https://twitter.com/AaronParnas/status/1424827286591840258?s=19)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2021, 09:50:07 PM
Ok.
You have Republican politicians, FoxNews, and the former President who have repeatedly been on point in terms of the messaging for over half a year now re: get vaccinated.
Where's the culpability for the influencers, politicians (including the current POTUS and VP) and media members who initially both casted doubt on Trump's claim and the efficacy of the vaccine itself?
The messaging from Trump, Republicans, and Fox News has been nothing short of a cluster freak of mixed messages. To call it anything different is ridiculous.
That said there's an insane double standard and ridiculous amount of hypocrisy. Republicans are (described by the mainstream + social media) retarded ignorant inbred hicks who are too stupid to go get vaccinated.
But the pathetic rates of vaccination in the black community is completely justifiable and just goes to show how racist America is.
It should be a reasonable point of bipartisan agreement. Don't be a freaking retard and go out and get vaccinated. Instead it's some fantasicle narrative
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2021, 10:13:47 PM
This is highly peculiar at best
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 07:14:30 AM
“On point”
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2021, 07:29:20 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/DtqgBRL/33-BA8-E9-E-9730-4-AD3-9338-ED9-FFA5-F2-A78.png) (https://ibb.co/c1mXWrx)
“On point”
So what is it, general stupidity or intellectual dishonesty that causes one to take the biggest fringe figure in the party and act like she's speaking for the whole?
https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-af236206a9e74e614479d10b5bc4555c
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/very-glad-i-was-vaccinated-gop-sen-lindsey-graham-tests-n1275739
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-tells-supporters-to-get-vaccinated/ar-BB1eETGf
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/21/florida-sen-marco-rubio-everyone-should-be-vaccinated/
https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-urges-floridians-vaccinated-192621690.html
https://newsrescue.com/ted-cruz-i-believe-in-vaccines-more-than-cdc-whose-mask-mandate-suggests-vaccines-dont-work/
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2021, 08:12:35 AM
So what is it, general stupidity or intellectual dishonesty that causes one to take the biggest fringe figure in the party and act like she's speaking for the whole?I don't see that he said anything about her representing all Republicans. He's just saying she's a moron.
https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-af236206a9e74e614479d10b5bc4555c
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/very-glad-i-was-vaccinated-gop-sen-lindsey-graham-tests-n1275739
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-tells-supporters-to-get-vaccinated/ar-BB1eETGf
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/21/florida-sen-marco-rubio-everyone-should-be-vaccinated/
https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-urges-floridians-vaccinated-192621690.html
https://newsrescue.com/ted-cruz-i-believe-in-vaccines-more-than-cdc-whose-mask-mandate-suggests-vaccines-dont-work/
Edit: I didn't see the previous post y'all had. She's still a moron though.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2021, 08:23:14 AM
I don't see that he said anything about her representing all Republicans. He's just saying she's a moron.
Edit: I didn't see the previous post y'all had. She's still a moron though.
Agreed. Her face also looks like a grape.
I mean, so is Sheila Jackson-Lee or Sheldon Whitehouse but I don't look to ascribe their stupidity to everyone.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
Agreed. Her face also looks like a grape.
I mean, so is Sheila Jackson-Lee or Sheldon Whitehouse but I don't look to ascribe their stupidity to everyone.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7_FbrXMAIvQLi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2021, 08:46:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7_FbrXMAIvQLi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
FWIW from a looks perspective, I'm all about Kyrsten sinema.
Say whatever about her, Lauren Boebert is also hot.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
FWIW from a looks perspective, I'm all about Kyrsten sinema.
Say whatever about her, Lauren Boebert is also hot.
If I didn't already know anything about Boebert, I'd agree. Cat's out of the bag on her though. She's annoying.
Post by: delavan on August 10, 2021, 10:54:16 AM
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/twitter-suspends-marjorie-taylor-greene-for-a-week.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 11:46:28 AM
https://twitter.com/crazykarens/status/1424440108179152899?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 10, 2021, 03:05:44 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2021, 04:33:17 PM
But mask mandate bad.
The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible.
Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible.This is false
Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2021, 05:03:25 PM
This is false
Yeah, you know more than Dr. Marty Makary.
There's nothing about that comment that's false.
Besides, nothing in DeSantis's order prevents kids from wearing masks should that be the desire of their parents. It's just anti-mandate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 05:08:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2021, 05:14:20 PM
Yeah, you know more than Dr. Marty Makary.
I mean, probably
https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2021, 05:16:31 PM
The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible.
Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.
What the freak man? No way you have kids.
Those "small" numbers are blowing up in those backwards derriere states. Since when is it OK if it's only a "small" number of kids that are dying or in the hospital? The game is changing. My kids were in school all year last year with masks on all the time. The only complaint I got from them was that they kept losing them. But sure, let's just do nothing because my "waaah my kids might whine about a mask", and let more kids get sick and die because it's only a "small" number and muh freedoms. Nobody said masks are perfect. But they do help. And yes, little Johnny is probably gonna have his nose hanging out of it. But that doesn't detract from the majority that don't. And of course there are only kids in the schools. No adults or old people work there. Just kids that are impervious to illness.
https://www.newsweek.com/healthy-children-delta-covid-florida-hospitalizations-increase-ron-desantis-1617392
Like the CDC Director says, children aren't supposed to die, 400 deaths isn't a small number. Not to mention all these kids in the hospital now that will live and have long-term issues, many of which we don't even know about yet.
Post by: ons on August 10, 2021, 05:18:45 PM
The death rate for children who contract COVID-19 is less than one quarter of one percent, but sure, lets have them mask up despite the demonstrative effect it has on their psychological and cognitive development and well being
The specific mental health related effects of masks is virtually impossible to study, since any mental health related study during the pandemic is during a pandemic. There is no science there, and if we were to allow for conjecture - there is likely a statistically significant portion of children for whom the presence of masks represents safety. The death rate for children is also likely to change based on different variants.
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and the fact that cloth masks effect in lessoning transmission is negligible
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Masking is adequate to prevent within-school COVID-19 transmission, with no difference between schools requiring greater than 3 feet of distance between students compared to those requiring less than 3 feet.https://abcsciencecollaborative.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ABCs-Final-Report-June-2021.06-esig-DB-KZ-6-29-21.pdf
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Overall, our findings suggest that mandating masks in secondary schools in addition to other parts of society could reduce the strength of COVID-19 resurgence in the UK. Wearing masks forms a barrier for the viral particles to pass from the wearer to people surrounding them and vice versa42, and hence wearing them at schools could reduce COVID-19 incidence in students, staff and teachers.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-88075-0
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Benjamin acknowledges, however, that some schools have not taken masking and other public health measures seriously. “The data from [some parts of] Florida are a good way to quantify risk,” he says. “They have a whole lot more COVID than they need to” in school districts without a mask requirement and in ones that reopened sooner.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/schools-can-open-safely-during-covid-the-latest-evidence-shows/
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Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1, thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained.
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An increasing number of ecological studies have also provided persuasive evidence that universal mandatory mask wearing policies have been associated with reductions in the number or rate of infections and deaths.https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
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The effectiveness of masks in population-wide scenarios has been proven to be significant, and as a result, universal face-masking has been encouraged by many national and international agencies... Not all masks are created equal. While laboratory tests generally suggest that N95 masks are superior in performance to surgical masks, population studies in healthcare workers have not documented significant differences. This discrepancy may be due to the lack of proper fit when using N95s. Conversely, cloth masks generally perform poorly compared to N95 and surgical masks in laboratory tests. However, in part because of the global PPE shortage, cloth masks have become the most commonly used PPE by the general public. Despite their shortcomings, community-based research has demonstrated the efficacy of cloth masks in slowing down the spread of COVID-19.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084286/
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Mask mandates for kids is a demonstratively anti-science position.
Then demonstrate it.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2021, 05:37:40 PM
I mean, probably
https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731
Lol, two can play that game, but I forgot only those going against the fearmongering bullshit narratives in this place can be wholly disregarded. Anyway; https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-u-s-needs-to-start-being-more-liberal-in-loosening-covid-restrictions/
Again, intellectual dishonesty or stupidity, which is it as you continue to try and fail in catching me in some sort of "gotcha" moment.
The specific mental health related effects of masks is virtually impossible to study, since any mental health related study during the pandemic is during a pandemic. There is no science there, and if we were to allow for conjecture - there is likely a statistically significant portion of children for whom the presence of masks represents safety. The death rate for children is also likely to change based on different variants.
https://abcsciencecollaborative.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ABCs-Final-Report-June-2021.06-esig-DB-KZ-6-29-21.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-88075-0
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/schools-can-open-safely-during-covid-the-latest-evidence-shows/
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084286/
Then demonstrate it.
You yourself provide source material openly admitting that cloth masks don't do excrement, which is predominately what children under government issued mandates will most certainly be wearing. So again, mandating children wear masks when they'll be wearing masks made of cloth is decidedly anti-science and total fearmongering. And that's without getting into the efficacy of masks in general. But just for good measure; https://wbckfm.com/bidens-top-covid-advisor-cnn-cloth-masks-dont-work/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-children-parenting-schools-mandates-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-biden-administration-cdc-11628432716
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The possible psychological harm of widespread masking is an even greater worry. Facial expressions are integral to human connection, particularly for young children, who are only learning how to signal fear, confusion and happiness. Covering a child’s face mutes these nonverbal forms of communication and can result in robotic and emotionless interactions, anxiety and depression. Seeing people speak is a building block of phonetic development. It is especially important for children with disabilities such as hearing impairment.
The adverse developmental effects of requiring masks for a few weeks are probably minor. We can’t say that with any confidence when the practice stretches on for months or years.
FoLlOw tHe ScIeNcE, except of course when "the science" is wholly incompatible with me trying to force what I want onto the actions of others.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 10, 2021, 09:36:11 PM
https://twitter.com/tundeolaniran/status/1425102103035400205?s=21 (https://twitter.com/tundeolaniran/status/1425102103035400205?s=21)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
Just going to leave this here.
https://twitter.com/tundeolaniran/status/1425102103035400205?s=21 (https://twitter.com/tundeolaniran/status/1425102103035400205?s=21)
Definitely looks like a Trump supporter
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 10, 2021, 10:37:48 PM
Definitely looks like a Trump supporter
Are you assuming that there are no black Trump supporters or that I think Trump supporters are the only ones not getting the vaccine? Either one is wrong but I just want to know which wrong thing you are implying.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 10, 2021, 10:53:11 PM
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/do-masks-provide-much-protection-we-think-bglhwy/ (https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/do-masks-provide-much-protection-we-think-bglhwy/)
Which falls in line with this commentary he released last year:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19 (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19)
-Most masks are not effective in blocking the majority of virus particles as the virus can be transmitted through aerosols, the Delta Variant especially
-Part of the reason for the above is that most people don’t wear their masks properly (not covering the nose)
-Messaging to the public should be emphasizing that masking is a lower level step and should not “use the wearing of cloth face coverings as an excuse to decrease other crucial, likely more effective, protective steps, like physical distancing”
His discussion on vaccine mandates vs. private businesses requiring them is an interesting one, especially comparing adopting vaccine requirements for bars and restaurants to adopting anti-smoking measures for bars and restaurants.
This however is not a discussion focused toward reopening schools.
He does have a two part podcast regarding reopening schools but those were from last year, prior to the emergence of the Delta variant.
Part 1 - https://youtu.be/nqhshThDOJA (https://youtu.be/nqhshThDOJA)
Part 2 - https://youtu.be/eaP76TArMRU (https://youtu.be/eaP76TArMRU)
There’s also an hour long dive into his research on what masks can and cannot due from the same podcast.
Masks & the science - https://youtu.be/OQKwDxAEUCI (https://youtu.be/OQKwDxAEUCI)
I have not listened to any of the three of those as it almost midnight but they will be on my playlist for tomorrow.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2021, 12:02:01 AM
Are you assuming that there are no black Trump supporters or that I think Trump supporters are the only ones not getting the vaccine? Either one is wrong but I just want to know which wrong thing you are implying.
I'm assuming that people are assuming this to be a problem with only Republicans.
And the odds of a black woman being a Trump supporter is statistically highly improbable
Post by: ons on August 11, 2021, 12:17:01 AM
You yourself provide source material openly admitting that cloth masks don't do excrement, which is predominately what children under government issued mandates will most certainly be wearing.
I assume you know how to read, so you're just deliberately misrepresenting the articles I posted. Not sure why, but whatever.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-children-parenting-schools-mandates-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-biden-administration-cdc-11628432716
FoLlOw tHe ScIeNcE, except of course when "the science" is wholly incompatible with me trying to force what I want onto the actions of others.
Again, the opinion piece you posted is a valid opinion to have about the possible psycho-social and developmental effects of masks during a pandemic, but the opinion piece you posted is quite obviously not an empirical, peer-reviewed source, and in fact qualifies their opinions with the understanding that these issues have not been studied in the context of the pandemic. As you were the one who brought up science, I thought you might be interested in the actual science, rather than opinion pieces and out of context soundbites hastily summarizing other research.
Either way, the only way to reduce psycho-social and developmental effects of a global pandemic for children is to do everything at a public health level to reduce transmission, which includes population-level vaccination or pervasive social distancing and masking - which I assume you support, if you are basing your argument on the current potential emerging childhood development crisis.
Ending the pandemic as fast as possible is the best way to mitigate harm to children, which may or may not include mask-wearing, and I agree that all steps should be taken to ensure that this happens.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1425167352895873029?s=21 (https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1425167352895873029?s=21)
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2021, 10:46:21 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 11, 2021, 10:51:03 AM
I assume you know how to read, so you're just deliberately misrepresenting the articles I posted. Not sure why, but whatever.
Wait, is it your position that masks made of cloth are effective against transmission of COVID?
Ted Cruz spending $30k/year to have his kids be oppressed by mask mandates and contract tracing.
https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1425167352895873029?s=21 (https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1425167352895873029?s=21)
How dare Ted Cruz make a personal choice for his children while also thinking removing said choice from parents across the country via government compulsion is a bad idea!
This isn't the dunk you think it is, but that'll happen when you're posting tweets from someone who worked for one of the loser Castro brothers.
https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1425247077534162953?s=19
Can't wait until its the official position that school board meetings be closed doors and without community involvement. That's a great look.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Can't wait until its the official position that school board meetings be closed doors and without community involvement. That's a great look.
Oooh big stretch
Post by: ons on August 11, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Wait, is it your position that masks made of cloth are effective against transmission of COVID?
I'll cut down the sources a little because apparently you are having trouble reading?
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Despite their shortcomings, community-based research has demonstrated the efficacy of cloth masks in slowing down the spread of COVID-19.
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Taking advantage of the mechanical integrity of fabrics such as cotton, and the electrostatic attraction of fabrics such as silk, it was found that the PFEs of cloth masks made of cotton/silk, cotton/chiffon, and cotton/flannel were all higher than 90%
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Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission...nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
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In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3 In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084286/
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
They are less effective than N95s, especially with user misuse and huge variance in fit/material, but have repeatedly been demonstrated to be effective against the transmission of covid through dozens of peer-reviewed academic studies, as you could have read for yourself in my earlier reply to you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 12, 2021, 06:36:03 AM
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2021, 06:42:35 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-queens-defenders-lori-zeno-positive-covid-test-privacy-20210811-b4ywbpxjjfesdgdxulxywbiti4-story.html
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2021, 07:25:19 AM
Wut
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 12, 2021, 07:27:14 AM
Bosses, lol
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-queens-defenders-lori-zeno-positive-covid-test-privacy-20210811-b4ywbpxjjfesdgdxulxywbiti4-story.html
She should be fired.
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1425470613767049221?s=19
Wut
If this is true she should be prosecuted.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
The more I read about Delta the more I think we’re fucked
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2021, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2021, 10:25:32 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2021, 10:33:46 AM
I don't know why people keep acting like this is the first time a vaccine was mandated or schools decided to regulate what children wear.I had a dress code my entire life growing up until college, and in college, I had to get a meningitis vaccine I never had as a kid. Wasn't that big of a a deal.
I also don't see how anyone can talk concretely about the long-term effects of children wearing masks in school. Sounds like fear-mongering to me to think that a kid wearing a mask is somehow going to stunt his development. Nobody can possibly know this yet.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 12, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
I also don't see how anyone can talk concretely about the long-term effects of children wearing masks in school. Sounds like fear-mongering to me to think that a kid wearing a mask is somehow going to stunt his development. Nobody can possibly know this yet.
It's a hypothesis that is being presented as if it is thoroughly tested theory. This scenario is completely unknown until now.
Anyone worrying about the long-term affects should probably be invested in ending the threat as rapidly as possible, through social distancing, masks, and vaccinations, rather than letting it prolong, which refusing to adopt masks and refusing to vaccinate will do.
FFS, infants are getting hospitalized and intubated due to COVID diagnoses.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2021, 03:47:34 PM
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CHESANING, MI—Noting that it was her right as an American citizen to decide when and where she would urinate and defecate, 3-year-old Madison Ackrite told reporters Wednesday that she was simply exercising her constitutionally guaranteed freedom of choice when she refused to use the potty. “My decision to pee-pee and poo-poo in the place of my choosing is a private health decision,” said Ackrite, noting that there was still a lot she didn’t know about the potty, and until she had done enough research to satisfy her concerns, she would continue to relieve herself in her pull-up diapers, as was her right in accordance with the rule of law. “Unlike a lot of the kids in my daycare, I am not a sheep. If you want to use the potty, that is your personal choice, and no one is stopping you. All I ask is that you respect my decision, which is based on my personal belief that I hate going to the potty. I hate it, hate it, hate it!” At press time, Ackrite refused to answer whether or not she had emptied her bowels on the living room floor, arguing that her refusal to divulge such information was protected by the courts.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
I had a dress code my entire life growing up until college, and in college, I had to get a meningitis vaccine I never had as a kid. Wasn't that big of a a deal.
I also don't see how anyone can talk concretely about the long-term effects of children wearing masks in school. Sounds like fear-mongering to me to think that a kid wearing a mask is somehow going to stunt his development. Nobody can possibly know this yet.
I doubt there's any significant long term effects to wearing masks (definitely more acne for sure)
But I imagine there's some Asian countries where you're capable of getting long term data on the excrement
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2021, 06:30:41 PM
Can't wait until its the official position that school board meetings be closed doors and without community involvement. That's a great look.
Delayed reply but too good not to post
https://twitter.com/HoratioSkald/status/1426680671204954114?s=19
Post by: MBGreen on August 15, 2021, 10:19:00 AM
#CloakOfInvicibility
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2021, 03:19:37 PM
Though like any other public institution it means dealing with the gross incompetence of them who keep sending out emails that people will be disenrolled despite getting the freaking vaccination within the university health system
Post by: Badger on August 16, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1427262576610709504?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2021, 06:00:59 PM
excrement's fuckedWhy do you hate freedom and begrudge people their rights?
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1427262576610709504?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 17, 2021, 05:24:10 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/texas-gov-greg-abbott-who-opposes-vaccine-and-mask-mandates-tests-positive-for-covid-19-211349823.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/texas-gov-greg-abbott-who-opposes-vaccine-and-mask-mandates-tests-positive-for-covid-19-211349823.html)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2021, 05:42:59 PM
What a giant piece of hypocritical excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2021, 05:45:42 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 18, 2021, 09:58:14 AM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1427757340955136007?s=21
What a giant piece of hypocritical excrement
Lol how is this hypocritical?
He made his own personal choice, he's not using his office to mandate everyone follows suit.
You want to see hypocritical? Ok;
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-mandating-covid-vaccines-for-white-house
I love how people are dunking on Abbot for contracting a virus as if he didn't make every personal choice the people who are dunking on him wanted him to make re: vaccines, distancing etc.
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2021, 12:43:10 PM
Lol how is this hypocritical?
He made his own personal choice, he's not using his office to mandate everyone follows suit.
You want to see hypocritical? Ok;
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-mandating-covid-vaccines-for-white-house
I love how people are dunking on Abbot for contracting a virus as if he didn't make every personal choice the people who are dunking on him wanted him to make re: vaccines, distancing etc.
If not hypocritical, then ironic and rich irony at that.
Abbot (and every anti-vaxxer/covid's a hoax nut) can 'make their own choice' provided it does not potentially impact others. If they choose to live amongst and expose themselves to society, there's a social contract that should be adhered to - put your own life on the hook and go live in your own private Idaho for all I care.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 18, 2021, 12:58:23 PM
If not hypocritical, then ironic and rich irony at that.
Abbot (and every anti-vaxxer/covid's a hoax nut) can 'make their own choice' provided it does not potentially impact others. If they choose to live amongst and expose themselves to society, there's a social contract that should be adhered to - put your own life on the hook and go live in your own private Idaho for all I care.
But that's my point del. He was vaccinated to the point that apparently he already received a booster. He individually made the choice you want him to make.
Soooo I don't get the dunking.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
But that's my point del. He was vaccinated to the point that apparently he already received a booster. He individually made the choice you want him to make.I'm thinking more simply. He isn't helping slow the pandemic with all the muh freedom excrement and he got it. It doesn't matter anyway, he is asymptomatic. Not like he's ready to be intubated. On the "in your face muthafucka" scale, this is a 1, maybe 2 out of 10.
Soooo I don't get the dunking.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2021, 01:45:40 PM
Lol how is this hypocritical?
He made his own personal choice, he's not using his office to mandate everyone follows suit.
You want to see hypocritical? Ok;
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-mandating-covid-vaccines-for-white-house
I love how people are dunking on Abbot for contracting a virus as if he didn't make every personal choice the people who are dunking on him wanted him to make re: vaccines, distancing etc.
Umm he has an executive order saying that Texas schools can’t mandate masks so he’s doing the exact opposite of what you said here
And kids can’t get vaccinated, get a booster shot, or receive the same level of medical care that he does, so yeah freak that guy 100%
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2021, 02:35:04 PM
But that's my point del. He was vaccinated to the point that apparently he already received a booster. He individually made the choice you want him to make.
Soooo I don't get the dunking.
You could argue that it's hypocritical that he is sort of waffling to fight this disease. But then he's also abusing his power (or just being dishonest) in order to get a 3rd shot as a booster which is not an approved thing (though it apparently was given approval for 8 months after your second shot, which unless he got secret access to the vaccine last November he's not)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2021, 03:08:33 PM
Great job Ron!
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 18, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 10:43:33 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 19, 2021, 10:49:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ajEOfmQ.png)
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1427845612649783305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427845612649783305%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fron-desantis-associated-press-regeneron
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 10:53:56 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 19, 2021, 10:58:14 AM
You know what else saves lives? Masks and vaccines. They're just harder to parlay into campaign contributions.
Minimal campaign contributions.
This is a non-story bolstering the rights claims that the media is coming for DeSantis in preparation for 2024.
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
Minimal campaign contributions.
This is a non-story bolstering the rights claims that the media is coming for DeSantis in preparation for 2024.
Of course, because individual contributions are the only way that someone can have their campaign boosted.
Still, explain to me this: what's the logic behind taking legislative action against measures to prevent the spread of a disease, but promoting private solutions to curing it?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 19, 2021, 11:07:29 AM
Of course, because individual contributions are the only way that someone can have their campaign boosted.
Still, explain to me this: what's the logic behind taking legislative action against measures to prevent the spread of a disease, but promoting private solutions to curing it?
I was unaware of any legislative action that goes out of its way to prevent anything. I am aware of legislative action that puts the choice on the individual.
Both governors have been promoting vaccinations since they were introduced.
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 11:09:54 AM
I was unaware of any legislative action that goes out of its way to prevent anything. I am aware of legislative action that puts the choice on the individual.
Both governors have been promoting vaccinations since they were introduced.
So DeSantis's executive order banning schools from insisting students and staff wear masks isn't a thing then?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2021, 11:20:40 AM
So DeSantis's executive order banning schools from insisting students and staff wear masks isn't a thing then?
I don't believe the issue was them "insisting" but rather mandating
Regardless this whole freaking country has shown the world how immensely retarded it is
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 19, 2021, 11:58:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2021, 03:52:22 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 05:07:10 PM
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I don't think it's an exaggeration in the slightest to say that some people, seemingly predominantly on the right of the political spectrum, have entirely lost the plot on what "freedom" really means. They've turned it from a sophisticated philosophical concept, foundational to liberal democratic societies yet circumscribed by the legitimate rights and freedoms of others and of the public interest, into a fetish object or a t-shirt slogan, devoid of any substance, to be screamed whenever one doesn't get one's way.
Welcome to the end of civilization. Please exit through the gift shop.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2021, 07:09:00 PM
I won't claim to have written this, but someone else did in a conversation about vaccines and it's spot on.
While it's 100% true many on the right have gone off the rails with this lunacy in regards to their freedom (in context of the pandemic.
The left is even more guilty of their "freedom" when it comes to their rights and entitlements. Not having to pay your rent, free college, and free Healthcare aren't rights where people are encroaching on your freedoms.
The sanity is often in the middle grounds. Though to be honest I don't see any middle ground when it comes to vaccines. If you don't believe in them because of Biden, or something something racism. Then go lick a door handle
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 19, 2021, 09:30:28 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/news/coronavirus/article253600148.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/news/coronavirus/article253600148.html)
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2021, 09:39:51 PM
He chose...poorly.Imagine dying on that hill. Plus his first name is Pressley.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/news/coronavirus/article253600148.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/news/coronavirus/article253600148.html)
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 19, 2021, 09:51:07 PM
Imagine dying on that hill. Plus his first name is Pressley.
If they only take themselves out, I'm fine with it every time.
My sympathy for people who choose to perpetuate a pandemic is less than zero.
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 11:07:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 05:07:14 AM
NGL, I freaking love it when pro-virus people die from it. Congratulations on achieving your final form, fuckwit. Thank you for making the world a better place by departing it.
Just out of curiosity do you celebrate everytime someone dies from cancer due to smoking, alcohol abuse, obesity, drug overdose, suicide, killed by the police while commuting an actual crime, AIDS or any other form of self fulfilling prophecy?
Not saying it's right or wrong, just looking for consistency
Post by: reuben on August 20, 2021, 06:30:05 AM
Just out of curiosity do you celebrate everytime someone dies from cancer due to smoking, alcohol abuse, obesity, drug overdose, suicide, killed by the police while commuting an actual crime, AIDS or any other form of self fulfilling prophecy?
Not saying it's right or wrong, just looking for consistency
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I think if one of those tobacco execs who claimed smoking had no health effects died of lung cancer, or a hardcore evangelist who said HIV was put on Earth to punish gays died of AIDS... yeah. Golf clap, at least.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 06:52:29 AM
NGL, I freaking love it when pro-virus people die from it. Congratulations on achieving your final form, fuckwit. Thank you for making the world a better place by departing it.
(https://c.tenor.com/eCtm70W3J2QAAAAC/borat-high-five.gif)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 06:58:01 AM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3h5pe45FM9qUM/giphy.gif)
I think if one of those tobacco execs who claimed smoking had no health effects died of lung cancer, or a hardcore evangelist who said HIV was put on Earth to punish gays died of AIDS... yeah. Golf clap, at least.
I didn't read his bibliography but it seems his opinion was he doesn't believe that masks or vaccines should be mandated.
Sure not the brightest decision, but a far cry different from him saying vaccines don't work or any of these other ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Again i don't give a excrement that the dudes dead, but to say his death is a good thing and then show pity for countless others whose idiotic behavior resulted in its own consequences is just silly. And yes even the actions of the others effect other people (ie drinking and driving, second hand smoke, crimes under the influence)
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 08:32:15 AM
Post by: reuben on August 20, 2021, 08:38:44 AM
a far cry different from him saying vaccines don't work or any of these other ridiculous conspiracy theories
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“It is a deadly bio-weapon perpetrated upon the people of the world by enemies foreign, and perhaps domestic,” he said on social media.
He fomented distrust in the very system that is trying to save lives during an unprecedented crisis of misinformation. freak him.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 08:54:56 AM
He fomented distrust in the very system that is trying to save lives during an unprecedented crisis of misinformation. freak him.
Yeah. He did that. Not the demonstrated history of the American government themselves, or the fact that the point man on this has either flip flopped or lied about directly pertinent information regarding this virus.
Had he been anti-vacc, and further used his public pulpit to dissuade others from taking this seriously or getting the vaccine, I'd actually somewhat understand the animus (though lets be real, I don't ever see people on here laughing when fat diabetics check out early from their own gluttony). He did nothing of the sort.
What an absurd, slavish devotion to your perceived societal betters.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 09:03:45 AM
I don't ever see people on here laughing when fat diabetics check out early from their own gluttony
now we can add "diabetes" to the list of excrement you know nothing about.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 09:08:05 AM
now we can add "diabetes" to the list of excrement you know nothing about.
LOL I was taught a long, long time ago to consider the source of any praise or criticism.
For such a fat head, its amazing its freaking empty.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 09:09:41 AM
LOL I was taught a long, long time ago to consider the source of any praise or criticism.
For such a fat head, its amazing its freaking empty.
I've been diabetic for 30 years.......sit the freak down before you look even more stupid.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 09:52:38 AM
I've been diabetic for 30 years.......sit the freak down before you look even more stupid.
When people talk about diabetes they're often referring to type 2 diabetics, which makes up 94% of diabetics in the United States.
Being that you've had diabetes for 30 years I'd imagine you're type 1
But being a person who has worked in Healthcare over 10 years the overwhelmingly vast majority of diabetics are their own worst enemies
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 09:55:35 AM
When people talk about diabetes they're often referring to type 2 diabetics, which makes up 94% of diabetics in the United States.
Being that you've had diabetes for 30 years I'd imagine you're type 1
But being a person who has worked in Healthcare over 10 years the overwhelmingly vast majority of diabetics are their own worst enemies
Yes, i'm type 1.
yes, they can be their own worst enemies....but it doesn't automatically mean they're all fat gluttonous slobs.
mj already spreads enough misinformation on this board. I'm drawing the line here.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
Yes, i'm type 1.Well.....possibly a slob. I know I am.
yes, they can be their own worst enemies....but it doesn't automatically mean they're all fat gluttonous slobs.
mj already spreads enough misinformation on this board. I'm drawing the line here.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:03:55 AM
Well.....possibly a slob. I know I am.
haha
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
Yes, i'm type 1.
yes, they can be their own worst enemies....but it doesn't automatically mean they're all fat gluttonous slobs.
mj already spreads enough misinformation on this board. I'm drawing the line here.
So you're suggesting that we shouldn't all just make assumptions about people we've never met and personally don't know everything about.
I'd agree
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:11:39 AM
So you're suggesting that we shouldn't all just make assumptions about people we've never met and personally don't know everything about.
I'd agree
i don't care if you make assumptions about people....just not the disease. Especially when you don't have experience with it.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2021, 10:12:17 AM
So you're suggesting that we shouldn't all just make assumptions about people we've never met and personally don't know everything about.I assume we're all assholes.
I'd agree
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2021, 10:14:21 AM
I assume we're all assholes.
Yes
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:14:50 AM
I assume we're all assholes.
it's a requirement to sign up here.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 10:20:13 AM
i don't care if you make assumptions about people....just not the disease. Especially when you don't have experience with it.
Honestly I can give a excrement about all that.
Hell I don't even give a freak about people celebrating the dead. I just think it's insane when people are literally going to jerk off to people dying based primarily on political ideology.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 10:23:28 AM
mj already spreads enough misinformation on this board. I'm drawing the line here.
Draw the line at your own freaking stupidity which has absolutely devolved into racism in the past, how about that.
Or are you going to flex your uber impressive super dee duper mod muscles like you fuckin tried to do to Seafood after blatantly baiting him.
For the record, when DCM is able to make a freaking correct assumption and you didn't, it was patently obvious I was talking about Type 2 diabetes and not say Jay fuckin Cutler.
Spare me the moral high ground over not making assumptions about people as you literally revel in the death of someone who merely said "government mandates of masks and vaccinations is a bad idea." That's literally all it freaking took for people around these parts to determine that should carry a goddamn death sentence.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:29:43 AM
Draw the line at your own freaking stupidity which has absolutely devolved into racism in the past, how about that.
Or are you going to flex your uber impressive super dee duper mod muscles like you fuckin tried to do to Seafood after blatantly baiting him.
For the record, when DCM is able to make a freaking correct assumption and you didn't, it was patently obvious I was talking about Type 2 diabetes and not say Jay fuckin Cutler.
Spare me the moral high ground over not making assumptions about people as you literally revel in the death of someone who merely said "government mandates of masks and vaccinations is a bad idea." That's literally all it freaking took for people around these parts to determine that should carry a goddamn death sentence.
Dude, it didn't require a response. I was pretty straightforward.
blow your horn all you like, nobody cares.
EDIT: And no, i didnt' bother reading your entire response. I expected something retarded from you, and you didn't disappoint. :)
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
blow your horn all you like, nobody cares.
HONK. Little boy blue, come blow my horn!
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:34:43 AM
HONK. Little boy blue, come blow my horn!
can't hear it past your tinfoil hat.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 10:38:11 AM
can't hear it past your tinfoil hat.
Yeah. My tinfoil hat. Not the litany of horseshit, fake news, conspiracy dreck that came out from 2016-2020.
Gotta wear a tinfoil hat to think it's wrong to revel in someone's death because they don't think a government mandate is a good idea!
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:45:45 AM
Yeah. My tinfoil hat. Not the litany of horseshit, fake news, conspiracy dreck that came out from 2016-2020.
Gotta wear a tinfoil hat to think it's wrong to revel in someone's death because they don't think a government mandate is a good idea!
reveling in someone's death? I think that tinfoil hat is on a little too tight.
get vaccinated...if not...you risk paying the iron price. It's simple logic. You're given a choice. There's nothing nefarious about it. And it should be gov't mandated because of buffoons who think this is a big conspiracy are the ones filling up hospital ICUs again.
Post by: delavan on August 20, 2021, 10:54:58 AM
it's a requirement to sign up here.I went from regular dork
to flaming poopchute overnight after joining this board - no regrets
Draw the line at your own freaking stupidity which has absolutely devolved into racism in the past, how about that.
Or are you going to flex your uber impressive super dee duper mod muscles like you fuckin tried to do to Seafood after blatantly baiting him.
For the record, when DCM is able to make a freaking correct assumption and you didn't, it was patently obvious I was talking about Type 2 diabetes and not say Jay fuckin Cutler.
Spare me the moral high ground over not making assumptions about people as you literally revel in the death of someone who merely said "government mandates of masks and vaccinations is a bad idea." That's literally all it freaking took for people around these parts to determine that should carry a goddamn death sentence.
mj, relax. The diabetic issue's besides the point. You could've used overweight hypertensive slob as an example vs. overweight diabetic. My father-in-law was a diabetic and he was anything but a slob. You hit a nerve (even if unintentionally). Own your diabetic dumbery and move on you pink oboe inguritating peabrain : )
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 10:56:48 AM
I went from regular dork
to flaming poopchute overnight after joining this board - no regrets
you've fit in quite well here lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2021, 11:32:21 AM
So you're suggesting that we shouldn't all just make assumptions about people we've never met and personally don't know everything about.
I'd agree
Come to the tailgate and the theory that you’re a fucktard is no longer a hypothetical
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 12:21:25 PM
Come to the tailgate and the theory that you’re a fucktard is no longer a hypothetical
Everyone on this board is a fucktard just a matter of how much
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2021, 12:44:17 PM
Everyone on this board is a fucktard just a matter of how much(https://c.tenor.com/NvV2FYl1V0MAAAAC/lying-coming.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2021, 12:55:13 PM
Everyone on this board is a fucktard just a matter of how much
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU DONT WVEN KNOW US
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2021, 03:03:14 PM
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Mike Sington
@MikeSington
· 6h
South Carolina Republican Party leader Pressley Stutts, who fought vaccination efforts, frequently posting debunked vaccine conspiracy theories, dies of COVID after a weeks long battle, including six days on a ventilator.
Imagine dying from a hoax....must be terrible.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
Imagine dying from a hoax....must be terrible.
"Fought vaccination efforts"
So now telling people to take this seriously but thinking a vaccine shouldn't be mandated by the government is "fighting vaccination efforts." I love how the People article on the subject accused him of dealing in "conspiracy theories" when said "theories" were accurate in terms of the death rate and where this virus originated from. FFS. We're still arguing about this being a freaking lab leak from Wuhan, but remember, trust the media and TrUsT ThE sCiEnCe.
Again, had this guy been overtly telling people to not get vaccinated, or that COVID is "the flu" it'd be an entirely different story. But as proven long before COVID, regressives just love dunking on those in death for those they consider their "enemies" https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-16/antonin-scalias-death-unleashes-a-twitter-hate-storm-against-the-late-justice
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2021, 03:15:55 PM
Come to the tailgate and the theory that you’re a fucktard is no longer a hypothetical
Seconded, dcm needs to come to the tailgate. Genuinely, because everyone is way less of a queynte there than they are on here. Me included.
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2021, 07:06:18 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1428830473715847176?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2021, 07:09:25 PM
Seconded, dcm needs to come to the tailgate. Genuinely, because everyone is way less of a queynte there than they are on here. Me included.
It's tough now that I'm in the mountains with Bo
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2021, 07:11:22 PM
It's tough now that I'm in the mountains with BoI'm more of a beach hick.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2021, 12:00:04 PM
Morons. At least they will prevent heartworm infection if they don't already have them.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/568834-mississippi-officials-warn-against-using-ivermectin-for-covid-amid-spike
Morons. At least they will prevent heartworm infection if they don't already have them.
Can't say I'd expect otherwise from Mississippi.
Though I have no idea why you'd refuse the covid shot then go take freaking animal dewormer
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
Can't say I'd expect otherwise from Mississippi.Lack of critical thinking skills + internets.
Though I have no idea why you'd refuse the covid shot then go take freaking animal dewormer
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2021, 12:50:50 PM
Lack of critical thinking skills + internets.
This is more like lack of inert thinking skills
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 21, 2021, 03:07:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 22, 2021, 11:14:14 AM
Informative read.
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2021, 01:16:20 PM
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08/10/what-we-now-know-about-how-to-fight-the-delta-variant-of-covid-column/?outputType=amp&fbclid=IwAR1cZ771spzX62zgvVBFzwCtv3bp-BDhGET4p2FJDRa-PTOUKmd9uetWydII don't see any mention of freedom in there so clearly he is an authoritarian communist who wishes to see the death of America.
Informative read.
Last night at a Trump rally in Alabama, they booed the great orange one for daring to tell them they should get vaccinated. That's true patriotism.
Post by: reuben on August 22, 2021, 07:24:53 PM
https://i.imgur.com/MMWKtBT.mp4 (https://i.imgur.com/MMWKtBT.mp4)
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2021, 07:39:04 PM
Dumbass influencers faking vaccine side effect tics is a thing, but this dope derriere compilation is the thing.
https://i.imgur.com/MMWKtBT.mp4 (https://i.imgur.com/MMWKtBT.mp4)
I mean one of them appears to have a legit eeg on them, so I'd imagine that would share quite a bit about how much fake nonsense is going on.
Several of them have 12 lead stickers all over them with at least somewhat appropriate placement, meaning several of these nut jobs have probably gone to actual hospitals
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 22, 2021, 08:16:10 PM
i wonder if she too will develop a simultaneous miraculous motor recovery + new australian accent like the flu shot redskins cheerleader from 10 years ago
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 23, 2021, 12:07:09 PM
Based Trump
Post by: mj2sexay on August 23, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
https://twitter.com/gistreel/status/1429709168852803585?s=21
Based Trump
On brand
Post by: delavan on August 23, 2021, 03:45:25 PM
https://twitter.com/gistreel/status/1429709168852803585?s=21
Based Trump
"Take the vaccine.....if it doesn't work you'll be the 1st to know."
LMAO! What a goofball.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2021, 03:47:19 PM
"Take the vaccine.....if it doesn't work you'll be the 1st to know."
LMAO! What a goofball.
For all the stupid excrement the guy says, at least he's doing his part to get dumbfucks to get vaccinated.
Post by: Johnny English on August 23, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
"Take the vaccine.....if it doesn't work you'll be the 1st to know."
LMAO! What a goofball.
"We developed three vaccines!"
Pfizer - funded by the German government, developed in Germany by a Turkish and German couple
Astra Zeneca - funded by the UK government and a handful of private investors, developed in the UK at Oxford University
J&J - funded by the US government, developed in Belgium
Moderna - funded by the US government and private investors, developed in the US
Post by: bojanglesman on August 23, 2021, 05:04:14 PM
"We developed three vaccines!"He doesn't know what "developed" means. Or "we".
Pfizer - funded by the German government, developed in Germany by a Turkish and German couple
Astra Zeneca - funded by the UK government and a handful of private investors, developed in the UK at Oxford University
J&J - funded by the US government, developed in Belgium
Moderna - funded by the US government and private investors, developed in the US
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2021, 10:19:25 PM
"We developed three vaccines!"
Pfizer - funded by the German government, developed in Germany by a Turkish and German couple
Astra Zeneca - funded by the UK government and a handful of private investors, developed in the UK at Oxford University
J&J - funded by the US government, developed in Belgium
Moderna - funded by the US government and private investors, developed in the US
Kind of misleading. It's a collaborative effort
Yeah Germany gave something like 400 million to Pfizer
The United States then proceeded to give them 18 billion throguh the CARES ACT and operation warp speed.
There's a reason that the US got to dictate who got the vaccine first, because they opened up the coffers
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
I assume this is a problem nationally, but if I drive anywhere even remotely near a school between 7-9 am it's absolute bumper to bumper gridlock since every parent is driving their kids to school (and schools are doing an absolute excrement job at keeping things moving by doing whatever it is they're doing)
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2021, 09:07:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 25, 2021, 09:45:55 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2021, 05:38:38 PM
South Dakota Covid cases quintuple after Sturgis motorcycle rally
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true
Shocker.
Post by: reuben on August 25, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
South Dakota Covid cases quintuple after Sturgis motorcycle rally
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277567?__twitter_impression=true
Shocker.
Why would anyone with a means of transportation rally in South Dakota? I mean unless they're from North Dakota.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 12:58:11 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2021, 01:02:42 PM
I'm wondering what the overall impact should be for people with the single dose J&J shot (this guy). I haven't found any data regarding people mixing the more traditional J&J vaccine vs. the mRNA based ones.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
Gov't is buying up Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in anticipation of authorizing the boosters.
I'm wondering what the overall impact should be for people with the single dose J&J shot (this guy). I haven't found any data regarding people mixing the more traditional J&J vaccine vs. the mRNA based ones.
Haven't read up a lot on the j&j one but I believed they had stayed that boosters were still promising for them.
With all the funky excrement happening right now and winter around the corner people would be foolish not to jump on it while the availability is there.
I know they also approved and will be offering flu shots at the same time. Though I have to imagine that has the potential to be pretty freaking unpleasant
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2021, 01:59:06 PM
Haven't read up a lot on the j&j one but I believed they had stayed that boosters were still promising for them.
With all the funky excrement happening right now and winter around the corner people would be foolish not to jump on it while the availability is there.
I know they also approved and will be offering flu shots at the same time. Though I have to imagine that has the potential to be pretty freaking unpleasant
Yeah all I've seen about J&J is that the company is reporting increased immunity with a booster after eight months.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2021, 02:48:56 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-plans-covid-19-vaccine-boosters-at-six-months-instead-of-eight-11629919356
I'll be in line to get a booster when I'm allowed.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 02:54:27 PM
Looks like they may move it up to 6 monthshttps://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-plans-covid-19-vaccine-boosters-at-six-months-instead-of-eight-11629919356
I'll be in line to get a booster when I'm allowed.
I think the issue with moving it up to 6 months will be people lining up in masses.
The originals got their 2nd wave in January, so 6 months would include a LOT of freaking people
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2021, 02:58:11 PM
I think the issue with moving it up to 6 months will be people lining up in masses.
The originals got their 2nd wave in January, so 6 months would include a LOT of freaking people
Possibly, but we have a larger supply than we did back then and at this point, if they are truly necessary you can't worry about numbers of people as long as they aren't all hanging out breathing on each other without a mask, having sex in line, etc.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
Possibly, but we have a larger supply than we did back then and at this point, if they are truly necessary you can't worry about numbers of people as long as they aren't all hanging out breathing on each other without a mask, having sex in line, etc.
We have more vaccines and far less people giving them.
I suppose they might put out a huge wave of vaccination clinics again, but that's just going to steal people from clinical care that this country simply doesn't have
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2021, 03:26:30 PM
We have more vaccines and far less people giving them.
I suppose they might put out a huge wave of vaccination clinics again, but that's just going to steal people from clinical care that this country simply doesn't have
Send them to me, I can vaccinate them as long as they agree to be neutered.
Post by: ons on August 26, 2021, 10:19:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2021, 07:51:51 AM
Texas Anti-Mask 'Freedom Rally' Organizer Fighting For His Life With COVID-19
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67998629/another-one.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2021, 08:52:42 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2021, 12:36:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2021, 01:51:20 PM
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2021, 03:28:42 PM
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2021/08/26/ny-covid-vaccine-mandate-for-health-care-workers/5599461001/
Re-watch your above video and pause at the 0:07 sec. mark and note the sign: "Say no and loose your job"
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2021, 03:36:35 PM
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2021/08/26/ny-covid-vaccine-mandate-for-health-care-workers/5599461001/
I'm incredibly curious if this applies to chiropractors and other make believe providers. I'm sick of listening to those cunts insist for years they should all be called doctors or some other nonsensical titles. And I can absolutely freaking guarantee they're all going to claim this isn't applicable to them
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2021, 03:38:54 PM
I'm incredibly curious if this applies to chiropractors and other make believe providers. I'm sick of listening to those cunts insist for years they should all be called doctors or some other nonsensical titles. And I can absolutely freaking guarantee they're all going to claim this isn't applicable to them
That is a brilliant point, I hadn't thought about it and you're absolutely spot on.
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
I'm incredibly curious if this applies to chiropractors and other make believe providers.^ This +1
I'm sick of listening to those cunts insist for years they should all be called doctors or some other nonsensical titles.
And I can absolutely freaking guarantee they're all going to claim this isn't applicable to them
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Love_Doctor_lobby_card.jpg/313px-Love_Doctor_lobby_card.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/texas-anti-mask-freedom-rally-045722778.htmlAlexa, play "Another One Bites The Dust"
Texas Anti-Mask 'Freedom Rally' Organizer Fighting For His Life With COVID-19
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67998629/another-one.jpg)
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2021, 05:28:48 PM
Great now there's going to be a shortage of that and we get a heart worm breakout among the cattle population.Biden made da price of beef go up
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2021, 05:34:50 PM
Apparently there's a massive nationwide shortage of bus drivers (the number I've seen reported or somewhere in the ballpark of 25% of what is needed) and with schools back to 5 days a week things are exacerbated immensely. Schools are offering full time benefits (for part time work) , sign on bonuses, and 20+ an hour for an entry level jobThankful that A. my kids are both going to the same school this year and B. it's less than half a mile away
I assume this is a problem nationally, but if I drive anywhere even remotely near a school between 7-9 am it's absolute bumper to bumper gridlock since every parent is driving their kids to school (and schools are doing an absolute excrement job at keeping things moving by doing whatever it is they're doing)
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2021, 05:37:39 PM
Why would anyone with a means of transportation rally in South Dakota? I mean unless they're from North Dakota.#TeamAmericade
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2021, 05:47:02 PM
Post by: reuben on August 29, 2021, 05:48:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 30, 2021, 11:02:25 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93yjzp/qanon-anti-vaxxer-called-covid-a-hoax-even-as-his-lungs-stopped-functioning
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2021, 12:12:14 PM
These just keep getting funnier."I’m alive today because I had a network that put me into a good hospital in Florida."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93yjzp/qanon-anti-vaxxer-called-covid-a-hoax-even-as-his-lungs-stopped-functioning
He died simping for private health insurance
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 30, 2021, 12:35:20 PM
Pay wall: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/08/30/biden-school-masks-investigation-state/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/08/30/biden-school-masks-investigation-state/)
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2021, 06:04:28 PM
https://twitter.com/mayakauf/status/1432391257687482370?s=19
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2021, 09:20:16 AM
Post by: delavan on August 31, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
This is exactly like 1492
In 1492, Columbus sailed the blue
he hit a rock and broke his c0ck
and pissed all over the crew
too soon?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2021, 05:02:00 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2021, 06:00:35 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 11:17:20 AM
Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
·
23h
Natural immunity appears to confer longer lasting + stronger protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization from the Delta variant compared to Pfizer-BioNTech’s two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2021, 11:47:18 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2021, 12:15:15 PM
freaking crazy antivaxxer liberals
Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
·
23h
Natural immunity appears to confer longer lasting + stronger protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization from the Delta variant compared to Pfizer-BioNTech’s two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.
If only it were possible to somehow have both.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 01, 2021, 09:49:52 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 10:14:53 PM
Guess all that money and he couldn't find someone who has a freaking clue to help him out
(he's fine now apparently, per him)
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 11:43:38 PM
It's actually a fairly smart idea, just a question of whether parents will let them.
Post by: reuben on September 02, 2021, 01:13:57 AM
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2021, 06:52:44 AM
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Post by: mj2sexay on September 03, 2021, 07:49:31 AM
(https://i.redd.it/lifglkp3q0l71.jpg)
I'm not a big fan of Candace Grifter, but this is so laughably absurd its insane.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 03, 2021, 10:52:47 AM
(https://i.redd.it/lifglkp3q0l71.jpg)
Quote
Candace Owens
@RealCandaceO
UPDATE. It turns out the facility that rejected my ability to take a Covid test receives both state and federal funding.
So no— she had NO RIGHT to deny me a covid test when my taxes go toward her operations
This situation is currently being escalated to the HHS.
Stay tuned!
Aka this chick is going to get fired, potentially (but probably not a lawsuit).
If Candace was a liberal you'd have people screaming racism about this whole thing, instead it's basically a meme
Post by: mj2sexay on September 03, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
She wanted to take some sort of stance, she can deal with the repercussions.
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 03, 2021, 04:38:57 PM
Either that or simply define all politically motivated crimes as hate crimes
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2021, 10:51:54 PM
Post by: reuben on September 03, 2021, 10:54:15 PM
Whoever does these edits is my favorite artist.
I'm never not amused
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2021, 10:55:42 PM
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
"As of mid-August, the state was averaging 244 deaths per day, up from just 23 a day in late June and eclipsing the previous peak of 227 during the summer of 2020. (Because of both the way deaths are logged in Florida and lags in reporting, more recent figures on fatalities per day are incomplete.)"
"In a positive sign, the number of people in the hospital with COVID-19 in Florida has dropped over the past two weeks from more than 17,000 to 14,200 on Friday, indicating the surge is easing."
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-7ed6d05626848aca4e2827681b315770
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2021, 11:07:07 PM
https://twitter.com/8NEWS/status/1434320961294196746?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2021, 12:47:33 AM
SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY
https://twitter.com/8NEWS/status/1434320961294196746?s=19
WE NEED TO DEMAND A LIVING WAGE
37 DOLLARS AN HOUR TO FLIP HAMBURGERS
Post by: delavan on September 05, 2021, 10:46:39 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/08/27/eric-clapton-releases-covid-policy-protest-song-this-has-gotta-stop/5622559001/
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2021, 03:38:04 PM
WE NEED TO DEMAND A LIVING WAGEBashing poor people again, get a new shtick
37 DOLLARS AN HOUR TO FLIP HAMBURGERS
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2021, 04:12:08 PM
Bashing poor people again, get a new shtick
It's actually bashing entitled people not poor people.
And that's pretty apparent
Post by: ons on September 06, 2021, 11:17:28 AM
It's actually bashing entitled people not poor people.
And that's pretty apparent
Line cooks who've earned $15/hr working 60 hour weeks (if their managers were charitable enough to actually pay overtime) including nights, weekends, and holidays with no benefits for years are truly the most despicable examples of entitlement in this country. They should be grateful for what they get, especially since they can probably afford to live within an hour or two of the popular downtown areas they usually work in.
Post by: Johnny English on September 07, 2021, 06:19:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 07, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 07, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
^ here's an idea...and hear me out, but how about getting vaccinated?Naaa, send 'em to Canada.
Post by: Johnny English on September 07, 2021, 08:00:11 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 07, 2021, 08:28:42 PM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-covid-19-most-deadly-yet_n_61343a08e4b0eab0ad99adc9
freaking crushing it, Rick.
Post by: MBGreen on September 08, 2021, 11:52:24 AM
This is where we're at in society.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 01:43:45 AM
At first people just assumed that it's a bunch of redneck antivaxxers killing themselves off (which isn't a lie)
But based off what I've seen I think there's a good chance within the next 30-45 days things will be the worst it's ever been on a national level
And I think it's within the realm of possibility that we see peak NY bad on a national level by the year end
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2021, 10:21:44 AM
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9973653/Biden-force-federal-workers-vaccinated-NO-testing-options.htmlOh excrement muh freedoms
Post by: delavan on September 09, 2021, 12:50:33 PM
It's insane how bad things have gotten so quickly.
At first people just assumed that it's a bunch of redneck antivaxxers killing themselves off (which isn't a lie)
But based off what I've seen I think there's a good chance within the next 30-45 days things will be the worst it's ever been on a national level
And I think it's within the realm of possibility that we see peak NY bad on a national level by the year end
'At first?' At present: vvv
Oh excrement muh freedoms
Like dcm acknowledged, the redneck finger-pointing's "not a lie" altogether but to lump all anti-vaxxers as redneck goobers ignores the large Black sector who (given the gov't's past history) understandably have been resistant/skeptical towards the vaccine and the increase in 'target-specific' PSA's bears this out.
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 01:00:49 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 02:01:34 PM
'At first?' At present: vvv
Like dcm acknowledged, the redneck finger-pointing's "not a lie" altogether but to lump all anti-vaxxers as redneck goobers ignores the large Black sector who (given the gov't's past history) understandably have been resistant/skeptical towards the vaccine and the increase in 'target-specific' PSA's bears this out.
Region dependent I'm sure, but it's heavily skewed Hispanic too. Though I imagine that it's a socio economic/legal more than anti vaxx heeby jeebies
Post by: delavan on September 09, 2021, 03:26:04 PM
#NotAllAntivaxersGot it.
Region dependent I'm sure, but it's heavily skewed Hispanic too. Though I imagine that it's a socio economic/legal more than anti vaxx heeby jeebies
My point was that our shabby history of Afro-Americans taking it on the chin includes some unsettling 'experimentation' of sorts and this pre-pandemic piece provides some perspectives from a number of angles:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2007/12/102785/scholar-speaks-about-history-medical-experimentation-african-americans
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2021, 04:06:46 PM
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The President will direct the Labor Department to require all businesses with 100 or more employees ensure their workers are either vaccinated or tested once a week. Companies could face thousands of dollars in fines per employee if they don't comply.
Biden plans to sign an executive order requiring all government employees be vaccinated against Covid-19, with no option of being regularly tested to opt out. The President will also sign an order directing the same standard be applied to employees of contractors who do business with the federal government.
He will require that 300,000 educators in federal Head Start programs be vaccinated and will call on governors to require vaccinations for schoolteachers and staff.
And he will require the 17 million health care workers at facilities receiving funds from Medicare and Medicaid to be fully vaccinated, expanding the mandate to hospitals, home care facilities and dialysis centers around the country.
Looks like part of it will be done via OSHA.
NYT
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OSHA, which is part of the Department of Labor, oversees workplace safety, which it will likely contend extends to vaccine mandates. The agency has issued other guidelines for pandemic precautions, such as a rule in June requiring health care employers to provide protective equipment, provide adequate ventilation and ensure social distancing, among other measures.
I'm sure it'll be challenged in court, but good intentions....
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 04:22:21 PM
Got it.People need to stop citing Tuskegee as justification for ignorance.
My point was that our shabby history of Afro-Americans taking it on the chin includes some unsettling 'experimentation' of sorts and this pre-pandemic piece provides some perspectives from a number of angles:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2007/12/102785/scholar-speaks-about-history-medical-experimentation-african-americans
Someone refusing the vaccine and catching covid is closer to recreating it than someone just getting the damn shot.
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 04:27:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2021, 04:39:01 PM
It's like someone from Ireland refusing British food because of the potato famine (and not for the perfectly valid reason of it being awful).
JE coming to defend Spotted Dick:
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 04:54:15 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/politics/joe-biden-covid-speech/index.html
Looks like part of it will be done via OSHA.
NYT
I'm sure it'll be challenged in court, but good intentions....
Where the freak has OSHA been the last year and a half? Hosptials have run out of gowns gloves eyewear abg syringes and almost every single of PPE on a daily basis. OSHA can jerk me off they're a useless entity and should be defunded if they can't do their freaking job when it counts most.
I fully support a Vax mandate, but I'd prefer a competent organization to oversee it
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 04:57:40 PM
Got it.
My point was that our shabby history of Afro-Americans taking it on the chin includes some unsettling 'experimentation' of sorts and this pre-pandemic piece provides some perspectives from a number of angles:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2007/12/102785/scholar-speaks-about-history-medical-experimentation-african-americans
I wonder if our shabby history is the reason she doesn't diet and exercise too. A 300 pound lard derriere probably shouldn't be justifying people not seeking medical care. Even if it's based on a very real history
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 04:59:02 PM
Where the freak has OSHA been the last year and a half? Hosptials have run out of gowns gloves eyewear abg syringes and almost every single of PPE on a daily basis. OSHA can jerk me off they're a useless entity and should be defunded if they can't do their freaking job when it counts most.
I fully support a Vax mandate, but I'd prefer a competent organization to oversee it
I'm presuming it's more an exercise in convenience as OSHA have the legislative authority to enact such a mandate.
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 05:00:41 PM
JE coming to defend Spotted Dick:
I'm not biting on Badger's lazy bait, especially given his extensive experience of the UK, but I will tell you that Spotted Dick is a criminally underrated dish.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2021, 05:34:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Don’t y’all eat mashed peasNo
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 05:52:38 PM
Don’t y’all eat mashed peasThey call it a banger in the mouth.
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 06:11:53 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2021, 06:35:51 PM
Also, since when do people from New England say, or worse write, "y'all"? Did you suddenly decide to identify as a fat apron-wearing momma from Tennessee?I say y'all, but I am legally allowed to do so.
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 06:47:54 PM
I say y'all, but I am legally allowed to do so.
Yes, because you are a fat apron-wearing momma from Virginia.
Post by: delavan on September 09, 2021, 07:09:44 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/politics/joe-biden-covid-speech/index.html"Requiring all businesses with more than 100 employees...."
Looks like part of it will be done via OSHA.
NYT
I'm sure it'll be challenged in court, but good intentions....
Federal employee lists and OSHA aside, to enforce this in the private sector will mean the Labor Dept. will need a Planning Dept-like Division to establish a database list of all businesses with > than 100 employees. From there, their job of 'checking' just begins. Well-meaning yes but this is also going to be a freaking administrative nightmare (and for something that unfortunately shouldn't even need to be in play). These selfish fucks plss me off - just get the freaking shot already.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 07:37:36 PM
"Requiring all businesses with more than 100 employees...."
Federal employee lists and OSHA aside, to enforce this in the private sector will mean the Labor Dept. will need a Planning Dept-like Division to establish a database list of all businesses with > than 100 employees. From there, their job of 'checking' just begins. Well-meaning yes but this is also going to be a freaking administrative nightmare (and for something that unfortunately shouldn't even need to be in play). These selfish fucks plss me off - just get the freaking shot already.
I'm pretty sure the IRS knows which businesses have > 100 employees
But let's not forget that obamacare and countless other regulations are tied to the size of businesses
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2021, 07:54:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the IRS knows which businesses have > 100 employeesAlso, if the US is anything like Canada then OSHA will do little or no proactive enforcement. They'll wait until an employee calls in breaches then decide whether to investigate.
But let's not forget that obamacare and countless other regulations are tied to the size of businesses
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2021, 08:04:46 PM
Yes, because you are a fat apron-wearing momma from Virginia.Quick surgery could make that true.
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 08:27:45 PM
Also, if the US is anything like Canada then OSHA will do little or no proactive enforcement. They'll wait until an employee calls in breaches then decide whether to investigate.https://youtu.be/pf6TSO9LkYQ
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2021, 08:55:16 PM
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1436129357010022403?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2021, 09:10:40 PM
Getting back into a 9/11 every day numbers, just in time(https://c.tenor.com/lr_pKNsCoVsAAAAC/we-are-killing-it-were-doing-great.gif)
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1436129357010022403?s=19
Post by: MBGreen on September 10, 2021, 07:13:09 AM
Getting back into a 9/11 every day numbers, just in time(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210910/cc1d6825af419c8227a6407c6cc55618.gif)
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1436129357010022403?s=19
Post by: Badger on September 10, 2021, 11:12:42 AM
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1436268205111226372?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on September 10, 2021, 11:35:20 AM
Look to the skies, my friends
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1436268205111226372?s=19
Antivaxxers are retarded to begin with.
But if you're overseas in some freaking third world nation, do you really not want to be vaccinated against a disease that's putting people in the hospital left and right
Post by: Johnny English on September 10, 2021, 11:45:19 AM
Look to the skies, my friends
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1436268205111226372?s=19
Yeah, I call bullshit for a variety of reasons.
"My dad told me" - OK, let's immediately get our bullshit shields warming up.
Military personnel just walked off the job, did they? And not just any military personnel, but the most highly trained personnel in the force. The kind who would know that the elimination of external factors is critical to them functioning at the level they need to. Human FOD, if you will.
And as a reply to that tweet says, military personnel are all subject to mandatory vaccinations and have been since malaria almost won WW1.
But yeah, the guy with the upside down US flag on his shirt is definitely giving us inside info here.
Post by: reuben on September 10, 2021, 02:09:01 PM
Look to the skies, my friends
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1436268205111226372?s=19
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-8WH_gXMAIt47_?format=jpg&name=medium)
All the same guy.
Post by: Badger on September 10, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
All the same guy.
https://v.redd.it/4bjygou6qom71
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 11, 2021, 06:54:34 PM
Post by: reuben on September 11, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
there are people that eat something called spotted dick?
(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_14df4bb2-d983-49f1-bd91-048d9f929b83.jpg)
(https://truffle-assets.imgix.net/8629e9eb-best-ever-spotted-dick-l.jpg)
I have less problem with the "spotted dick" than I do with the "pudding."
That's sponge cake with raisins.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2021, 07:51:21 PM
(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_14df4bb2-d983-49f1-bd91-048d9f929b83.jpg)
(https://truffle-assets.imgix.net/8629e9eb-best-ever-spotted-dick-l.jpg)
I have less problem with the "spotted dick" than I do with the "pudding."
That's sponge cake with raisins.
https://twitter.com/Will_Kellogg/status/1277086206422065152?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Will_Kellogg/status/1277086206422065152?s=19)
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
I have less problem with the "spotted dick" than I do with the "pudding."
That's sponge cake with raisins.
It is not.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2021, 08:54:25 PM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
We will see to what degree dummies actually leave the military over the vax mandate but I bet it's greater than the number you'd see quitting in protest if the military was ordered to enforce gun confiscation from civilians.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 12, 2021, 08:05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21 (https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21)
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2021, 08:14:53 PM
This moron has received multiple mandatory vaccinations throughout his career
https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21 (https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21)
I like the bit where he starts whining about Marxism
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2021, 08:21:39 PM
This moron has received multiple mandatory vaccinations throughout his careerThat was what I just read before my last post
https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21 (https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2021, 04:49:34 AM
This moron has received multiple mandatory vaccinations throughout his careerNot sure that's real.
https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21 (https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1437219998913552386?s=21)
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2021, 12:19:56 PM
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2021, 05:18:26 PM
https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1437532566945341441?s=19
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2021, 08:17:53 PM
https://winnerscircle.art/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2021, 08:17:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2021, 10:59:53 AM
Alexa, play Another One Bites The Dust.
Seriously though, how many brain dead conservative radio hosts do you people have? You must run out of them soon.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 15, 2021, 11:27:32 AM
New data coming out of Isreal is suggesting that vaccine efficiency is starting to wane, specifically in regards to "moderate" Covid-19 illness. If true, the darkest days of Covid-19 are ahead of us.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
Probably more important than our daily celebration of death.
New data coming out of Isreal is suggesting that vaccine efficiency is starting to wane, specifically in regards to "moderate" Covid-19 illness. If true, the darkest days of Covid-19 are ahead of us.
To be accurate, it is suggesting the Pfizer efficiency may be starting to wane, given that's the only one in use in Israel. But that isn't a huge surprise to anyone, we've expected for some time that boosters would be required - we just don't know the frequency of them. There's also a study that I saw that suggested that Moderna might actually be more effective for long in older people than Pfizer has been.
But in the end, while large swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated, mutations are going to happen and we're going to need to be more aggressive with both the development and delivery of vaccines on an ongoing basis, and that's why we should celebrate every time some raging queynte who uses a public pulpit to spread disinformation and prolong the existence of this bullshit dies in a miserable, painful and public way.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2021, 12:02:33 PM
Can’t cuck the Tuck
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2021, 02:07:59 PM
To be accurate, it is suggesting the Pfizer efficiency may be starting to wane, given that's the only one in use in Israel. But that isn't a huge surprise to anyone, we've expected for some time that boosters would be required - we just don't know the frequency of them. There's also a study that I saw that suggested that Moderna might actually be more effective for long in older people than Pfizer has been.Me, looking at everyone who didn't get Moderna:
But in the end, while large swathes of the population refuse to get vaccinated, mutations are going to happen and we're going to need to be more aggressive with both the development and delivery of vaccines on an ongoing basis, and that's why we should celebrate every time some raging queynte who uses a public pulpit to spread disinformation and prolong the existence of this bullshit dies in a miserable, painful and public way.
(https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/51/44/1669248159-SnobbyGuy1.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on September 15, 2021, 03:15:26 PM
Me, looking at everyone who didn't get Moderna:
(https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/51/44/1669248159-SnobbyGuy1.jpg)
I doubt there's a world of difference between Pfizer and Moderna.
The important question is who the freak is going to start offering the boosters first.
If all these nut jobs want to avoid getting vaccines because they think it'll exacerbate their down syndrome so be it. But I want to hurry the freak up and get me another one of those jabs.
FWIW the people I've seen who have gotten boosters didn't have any kind of reactions like people did with the second go around
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
Damn I can't believe 80% of us are sterile now.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
https://twitter.com/GovKathyHochul/status/1438241199144505344?s=19
Damn I can't believe 80% of us are sterile now.
What if Covid caused sterility? It would be such a win-win right now because more people would get the vaccine or not be able to breed. I mean, it sucks for all the innocent people who got it, but still.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 15, 2021, 03:59:16 PM
Although it's almost certainly more about what you put into your mouth than what you put in your arm
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2021, 05:04:27 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 08:09:03 AM
Definitely going to get worse than it did last winter
Government cocksuckers better let those booster shots out.
All the talk about how Biden and Cuomo were going to do things so much better than Trump, and we about to see unheard of mass casualties for the modern era
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 08:26:20 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/hospitals-west-struggle-beds-critically-083011541.html
Definitely going to get worse than it did last winter
Government cocksuckers better let those booster shots out.
All the talk about how Biden and Cuomo were going to do things so much better than Trump, and we about to see unheard of mass casualties for the modern era
I think they should certainly open the boosters to older people and immunocompromised. I don't know that all adults need it right now, but I'd say if it's been 8 months since you finished the initial series, then go for it. Unless we have some vaccine shortage I'm not aware of, I don't see much reason to withhold boosters. The only thing I can think of is the potential for exuberant adverse reactions from a 3rd vaccine since you've had 2 fairly recently. From what I've read, it seems 3rd shots have mirrored the type of adverse reactions as the 2nd ones- achiness, headache, etc. I'm sure there's something else I'm not thinking of as to why they don't just open the floodgates to 3rd vaccines. Frankly I don't think it'll help much because the unvaccinated are the overwhelming problem.
I wonder if they are holding off because they may try to reformulate the vaccine to include specific targeting of the delta variant.
The hospital situation is awful. Even here in Virginia, beds are all full where I am. Not as bad as the hillbilly states, but still makes you cross your fingers you don't need to go to the hospital for an unrelated reason.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 08:31:16 AM
I think they should certainly open the boosters to older people and immunocompromised. I don't know that all adults need it right now, but I'd say if it's been 8 months since you finished the initial series, then go for it. Unless we have some vaccine shortage I'm not aware of, I don't see much reason to withhold boosters. The only thing I can think of is the potential for exuberant adverse reactions from a 3rd vaccine since you've had 2 fairly recently. From what I've read, it seems 3rd shots have mirrored the type of adverse reactions as the 2nd ones- achiness, headache, etc. I'm sure there's something else I'm not thinking of as to why they don't just open the floodgates to 3rd vaccines. Frankly I don't think it'll help much because the unvaccinated are the overwhelming problem.
I wonder if they are holding off because they may try to reformulate the vaccine to include specific targeting of the delta variant.
The hospital situation is awful. Even here in Virginia, beds are all full where I am. Not as bad as the hillbilly states, but still makes you cross your fingers you don't need to go to the hospital for an unrelated reason.
Well other countries are doing the booster shots, and there's a push from the white house to allow them.
If rationing or a shortage is an issue that I can understand (by all accounts it's not)
I just think it makes no sense to not get it done before things really freaking explode, we get into the flu season and holidays, and things look real dire and then suddenly have a mad dash of urgency.
More cases + way less healthcare workers is just gonna be a real bad thing
And what's the plan, wait until every hosptial in the nation is on emergency shutdown and then start getting the staff vaccines? Then you have to deal with a massive underlying HCW shortage exacerbated by a ton of HCWs out with "mild to moderate covid" or malaise and whatever the freak you want to call the post vaccination symptoms
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
I think they should certainly open the boosters to older people and immunocompromised. I don't know that all adults need it right now, but I'd say if it's been 8 months since you finished the initial series, then go for it. Unless we have some vaccine shortage I'm not aware of, I don't see much reason to withhold boosters. The only thing I can think of is the potential for exuberant adverse reactions from a 3rd vaccine since you've had 2 fairly recently. From what I've read, it seems 3rd shots have mirrored the type of adverse reactions as the 2nd ones- achiness, headache, etc. I'm sure there's something else I'm not thinking of as to why they don't just open the floodgates to 3rd vaccines. Frankly I don't think it'll help much because the unvaccinated are the overwhelming problem.
I wonder if they are holding off because they may try to reformulate the vaccine to include specific targeting of the delta variant.
The hospital situation is awful. Even here in Virginia, beds are all full where I am. Not as bad as the hillbilly states, but still makes you cross your fingers you don't need to go to the hospital for an unrelated reason.
3rd shot boosters were officially opened up for immunocompromised and for people that want to travel (Astra Zeneca apparently isn't approved in some countries, including the US) yesterday by our Chief Medical Officer.
I'm going to go for one, but i want to wait to see if the 3rd booster will include protection from Delta.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 08:39:22 AM
All the talk about how Biden and Cuomo were going to do things so much better than Trump, and we about to see unheard of mass casualties for the modern era
How do you propose Biden and Cuomo overcome the anti-vax sentiment that has been and continues to be propagated almost exclusively by Conservatives?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 08:49:04 AM
How do you propose Biden and Cuomo overcome the anti-vax sentiment that has been and continues to be propagated almost exclusively by Conservatives?
Unless I'm mistaken about United States + political affiliation demographics. Covid isn't disproportionately impacting white people.
The conservatives peddling antivaxx excrement are 100,000% full blown freaking retards. And I'll even reasonably concede there's certainly more conservative antivaxxers than democrats.
But the death rates of covid suggests that there is a very significant number of democrats that aren't vaccinated.
Regardless my point was everyone blamed Trump, and here we are going throguh the same exact fuckin thing as last year, except worse
(none of this is a defense of Trump. He did a terrible job. Now the people claiming to do better have done a terrible job)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 08:49:54 AM
Well other countries are doing the booster shots, and there's a push from the white house to allow them.
If rationing or a shortage is an issue that I can understand (by all accounts it's not)
I just think it makes no sense to not get it done before things really freaking explode, we get into the flu season and holidays, and things look real dire and then suddenly have a mad dash of urgency.
More cases + way less healthcare workers is just gonna be a real bad thing
And what's the plan, wait until every hosptial in the nation is on emergency shutdown and then start getting the staff vaccines? Then you have to deal with a massive underlying HCW shortage exacerbated by a ton of HCWs out with "mild to moderate covid" or malaise and whatever the freak you want to call the post vaccination symptoms
The vaccines are doing their job quite well. Preventing major illness and death. Breakthrough cases happen, but are nowhere near the problem unvaccinated people are. I don't think the problem is normal healthy adults needing a 3rd vaccine. That isn't the reason hospitals are clogged. The issue is getting unvaccinated people vaccinated. I can't fathom why health care workers aren't mandated to get vaccinated or why they wouldn't want to be.
3rd vaccines should be available now for old people and immunocompromised people.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 16, 2021, 08:50:24 AM
How do you propose Biden and Cuomo overcome the anti-vax sentiment that has been and continues to be propagated almost exclusively by Conservatives?
Any objective look at demographics in terms of who hasn't gotten vaccinated would tell you that Cuomo (who was an abject failure on multiple fronts), and Biden have failed to appeal to their own constituency on that front.
Lets just be real here, Biden had no plan whatsoever.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 08:57:07 AM
The vaccines are doing their job quite well. Preventing major illness and death. Breakthrough cases happen, but are nowhere near the problem unvaccinated people are. I don't think the problem is normal healthy adults needing a 3rd vaccine. That isn't the reason hospitals are clogged. The issue is getting unvaccinated people vaccinated. I can't fathom why health care workers aren't mandated to get vaccinated or why they wouldn't want to be.
3rd vaccines should be available now for old people and immunocompromised people.
It's not the reason hospitals are clogged but it's contributing
My sample sizes aren't statistically relevant, but I've seen the average age of covid patients get way way younger.
And let's be honest, less than half of adults are normal healthy adults
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 09:04:14 AM
It's not the reason hospitals are clogged but it's contributing
My sample sizes aren't statistically relevant, but I've seen the average age of covid patients get way way younger.
And let's be honest, less than half of adults are normal healthy adults
Fair enough.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 09:11:22 AM
Fair enough.
Not to mention that reminds me that Americans have been neglecting seeing their PCPs the last 2 years. People's underlying health problems are being underdiagnosed and undertreated.
My freaking PCP is booked up through March. Americans health ain't good
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 09:18:13 AM
Any objective look at demographics in terms of who hasn't gotten vaccinated would tell you that Cuomo (who was an abject failure on multiple fronts), and Biden have failed to appeal to their own constituency on that front.
Lets just be real here, Biden had no plan whatsoever.
Just as one simple and recent example of my point:
https://twitter.com/DrEricBall/status/1438150971721273351
The correlation between vaccine refusal and voting Conservative is overwhelmingly in evidence on both a micro and macro scale. A massively smaller subset of left leaning voters also being reality defying fuckwits does not make this an "all people same" situation.
How do you propose Biden, or indeed Trump had he won a second term, get that massive bloc of Conservative antivax plague rats to do what they should have done months ago?
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2021, 09:22:36 AM
https://twitter.com/nickiminaj/status/1438248319650656256?s=21
Didn't this douchebag marry a known sex offender?
she should probably sit the freak down.
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 09:25:24 AM
I just think it makes no sense to not get it done before things really freaking explode, we get into the flu season and holidays, and things look real dire and then suddenly have a mad dash of urgency.
This just reminded me I'm almost due for my flu shot.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 09:28:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 09:28:48 AM
This just reminded me I'm almost due for my flu shot.
I've never had one, but I'm probably going to start now.
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
Lets just be real here, Biden had no plan whatsoever.
Yes, along with everyone else who says lockdowns aren't an option anymore.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 09:29:44 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2021, 09:30:25 AM
So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people? I can't find that stat anywhere.
yes
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 09:31:05 AM
I've never had one, but I'm probably going to start now.I didn't start until I was about to have kids. Snapped me out of the "I'm young and healthy, what's the worst that could happen?" attitude.
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 09:31:30 AM
So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people? I can't find that stat anywhere.This post is racist against Larry Elder.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
I didn't start until I was about to have kids. Snapped me out of the "I'm young and healthy, what's the worst that could happen?" attitude.
I never bothered because I'm lazy, but this whole thing has brought home the importance of vaccinations to protect others. At least it has for people who have been paying attention.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 09:34:57 AM
So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people? I can't find that stat anywhere.
Known in scientific circles as The Herman Cain Paradox.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 16, 2021, 09:35:21 AM
Just as one simple and recent example of my point:
https://twitter.com/DrEricBall/status/1438150971721273351
The correlation between vaccine refusal and voting Conservative is overwhelmingly in evidence on both a micro and macro scale. A massively smaller subset of left leaning voters also being reality defying fuckwits does not make this an "all people same" situation.
How do you propose Biden, or indeed Trump had he won a second term, get that massive bloc of Conservative antivax plague rats to do what they should have done months ago?
Lol JFC JE, equating people with vermin now? Talk about extreme rhetoric.
Again, as I said before. Any objective look at the population re: the unvaccinated would determine that this is not a red vs blue issue. Subsections of both voting blocs have been resistant to the vaccine.
I do know for all the talk about Trump supporters being "cultists" that he's repeatedly told people to get vaccinated, so perhaps the rigid adherence to what the man says from his most ardent supporters is a bit overstated?
For the record, I don't blame Biden or Trump on people's refusal to get vaccinated. It's not like they can hold people down personally and force people into taking it.
I've maintained this the whole time; I'm vaccinated. Ergo I honestly have no fear and don't care re: what other people want to do. I'm supposed to be protected from any serious symptoms via the two shots I took back in April.
Yes, along with everyone else who says lockdowns aren't an option anymore.
IMHO we should've maintained a european style lockdown the second this hit as opposed to the half assed measured we initially took. Too late now.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people? I can't find that stat anywhere.
I think someone posted it on here a while ago and IIRC Republicans had a higher rate unvaccinated by a decent bit.
But as a percentage of total population I think covid deaths in the African American community was like 40% higher
Post by: ons on September 16, 2021, 09:48:17 AM
If rationing or a shortage is an issue that I can understand (by all accounts it's not)
Rationing or shortages are not an issue in the US but are an issue globally; there is a compelling public health perspective to not allowing boosters in order to get shots in more arms at a global scale so we have fewer countries creating massive hotspots with increased chances of more mutations. Personally though I want my booster, but unfortunately the world is collectively not producing enough vaccines to keep up with global demand.
So which number is higher for unvaccinated people, Republicans or black/brown people? I can't find that stat anywhere.
Over the summer, age and being an evangelical Christian were the two biggest predictors of whether one was vaccinated, and there are proportionally more young black and brown people in the country. Recently (within the past three weeks) there have been proportionally significantly more black people getting vaccinated, and the gap between racial groups is starting to close. This lines up with polling over the summer that indicated POC were more likely to be vaccine hesitant than anti-vaccine.
People who aren't getting vaccinated tend to share other qualities that overlap rural white and poor black communities - less education, less access to doctors, less money, fewer people with health insurance. But rural conservative areas tend to have more people who are more staunchly anti-vaccine.
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As of September 13, 2021, 52.8% of people in counties that voted for Biden were fully vaccinated compared to 39.9% of Trump counties, a 12.9 percentage point difference (Figure 1). While the rate of vaccination coverage has slowed in both county groups, the gap has widened over time (Figure 2).
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Overall, across these 42 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (52%) was roughly 1.2 times higher than the rate for Black people (43%) and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (48%) as of September 7, 2021.
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Between August 16 and September 7, Black and Hispanic people experienced a larger increase in vaccination rates compared to White and Asian people, narrowing the disparities in vaccination rates (Figure 4).
Sources:
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/30/here-are-the-groups-that-still-wont-get-the-covid-vaccine-and-why/?sh=229c6df32ad4
https://www.cnet.com/health/why-people-dont-want-the-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-vs-resistance/
Post by: ons on September 16, 2021, 09:58:42 AM
I've maintained this the whole time; I'm vaccinated. Ergo I honestly have no fear and don't care re: what other people want to do. I'm supposed to be protected from any serious symptoms via the two shots I took back in April.
I appreciate that you're vaccinated, but if you are in a position to convince others to get vaccinated I would encourage you to think of overcrowding in hospitals putting you and your family in more danger if any of you were to suffer from a non-covid related critical injury or illness.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 10:01:17 AM
Lol JFC JE, equating people with vermin now? Talk about extreme rhetoric.
Yeah, a friend of mine pulled me up for referring to the willingly unvaccinated as plague rats the other day, and I agreed with her that it's unfair. The rats that spread the bubonic plague didn't know that they were spreading it, and they weren't being presented with a free and easy way of not doing it. So it is pretty unfair on the rats to compare them to the absolute scum who insist on refuting science and sticking their middle finger up to society.
Again, as I said before. Any objective look at the population re: the unvaccinated would determine that this is not a red vs blue issue. Subsections of both voting blocs have been resistant to the vaccine.
And as I already said, the two do not equate given the massive difference in size. How many left wing politicians and local councillors and radio hosts have you heard of dying from covid after months of exhortations to their constituents and listeners to not get vaccinated?
I do know for all the talk about Trump supporters being "cultists" that he's repeatedly told people to get vaccinated, so perhaps the rigid adherence to what the man says from his most ardent supporters is a bit overstated?
Yes, which is why I didn't drag him specifically, despite his initial poor response when in charge of treating it like a big nothingburger long after it was clear it was anything but, he has been fairly consistent in his messaging. Although look where that got him q.v. his rally the other day:
"Hey, we have great vaccines, you should take them....."
BOOOOOOOOOO
".....but you don't have to, it's your choice, it's all fine, muh freedoms......."
YAAAAAAAAAAY
".....but still you should take them, they're good......."
BOOOOOOOOOO
".....but if you don't want to it's fine"
YAAAAAAAAAAAY
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Rationing or shortages are not an issue in the US but are an issue globally; there is a compelling public health perspective to not allowing boosters in order to get shots in more arms at a global scale so we have fewer countries creating massive hotspots with increased chances of more mutations. Personally though I want my booster, but unfortunately the world is collectively not producing enough vaccines to keep up with global demand.
Over the summer, age and being an evangelical Christian were the two biggest predictors of whether one was vaccinated, and there are proportionally more young black and brown people in the country. Recently (within the past three weeks) there have been proportionally significantly more black people getting vaccinated, and the gap between racial groups is starting to close. This lines up with polling over the summer that indicated POC were more likely to be vaccine hesitant than anti-vaccine.
People who aren't getting vaccinated tend to share other qualities that overlap rural white and poor black communities - less education, less access to doctors, less money, fewer people with health insurance. But rural conservative areas tend to have more people who are more staunchly anti-vaccine.
Sources:
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/30/here-are-the-groups-that-still-wont-get-the-covid-vaccine-and-why/?sh=229c6df32ad4
https://www.cnet.com/health/why-people-dont-want-the-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-vs-resistance/
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64580528.jpg)
Seriously, thanks for the info.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
excrement-head chiropractor in Florida signs hundreds of medical exemptions from wearing masks for kids in school. School district rejected them. excrement-head was asked a day later by CNN about the exemption forms and whether he had examined every child for whom he signed one, Busch said, "This wasn't about me. This is about parents' freedom."
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
It's not medicine after all.
Make them a cash business and treat them like massage parlors
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2021, 11:36:33 AM
Chiropractors should have all medical authority revoked.(https://zipfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/kra.jpg)
It's not medicine after all.
Make them a cash business and treat them like massage parlors
Post by: delavan on September 16, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Lol JFC JE, equating people with vermin now? Talk about extreme rhetoric.Vermin? Fuckk you mj
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wistar_rat.jpg/320px-Wistar_rat.jpg)
From what I've read, the Moderna vaccine has a much larger dosage (100 mcg) than the Pfizer (30 mcg), which could account for the increased immune response in comparison.From what I read you can mix the vaxx and the booster (includes Pfizer and Moderna -- doesn't include the Johnson & Johnson vaxx):
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/covid-booster-shot-everything-you-need-to-know/
I think they should certainly open the boosters to older people and immunocompromised.I think they've certainly opened the borders to other older people who are immunocompromised let alone mostly unvaccinated
(while acknowledging the large domestic goober anti-vaxx segment least somebody get their cnn panties all twisted up in knots).
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 16, 2021, 12:10:36 PM
freaking Biden opening the borders to a bunch of sick old people
208k migrant encounters in August, but I'm sure they're all vaccinated.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 16, 2021, 02:07:40 PM
https://twitter.com/kwadwo777/status/1438150710739210244?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 02:47:53 PM
This Doctor gets it.
https://twitter.com/kwadwo777/status/1438150710739210244?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Is anyone talking about limiting care to the unvaccinated (at least anyone in a position to actually do it)? The problem exists precisely because we can't, won't and shouldn't limit care, because much as I despise the massively overused "slippery slope" argument it actually applies here - we don't refuse to treat smokers for cancer, or fat people for high blood pressure (settle down there dcm), or people who have thrown themselves off a cliff entrusting their life to a sheet of expensive polythene and broken their legs, and they are all there entirely as a result of their own actions.
What is being talked about (and implemented in various ways and places) is mandating vaccines for access to locations and settings where being unvaccinated presents a greater risk to others. Like hospitals, and bars, and movie theatres. If someone wants to refuse to get vaccinated and go live off the land in the northern wilderness and never interact with humans again, more power to them. I have no problem with that. As soon as they want to actually engage with society they are a problem.
Post by: reuben on September 16, 2021, 03:29:07 PM
Is anyone talking about limiting care to the unvaccinated (at least anyone in a position to actually do it)? The problem exists precisely because we can't, won't and shouldn't limit care, because much as I despise the massively overused "slippery slope" argument it actually applies here - we don't refuse to treat smokers for cancer, or fat people for high blood pressure (settle down there dcm), or people who have thrown themselves off a cliff entrusting their life to a sheet of expensive polythene and broken their legs, and they are all there entirely as a result of their own actions.
I think there's a substantial difference between denying care as some sort of a punitive measure and rationing care due to a shortage of resources. Active smokers aren't put on lung transplant lists; it's not a punishment for smoking, there just aren't enough donated lungs to go around. I see no reason why a smoker should get a lung instead of someone who took care of theirs, and I see no reason why an anti-vaxxer should get a respirator instead of someone who did everything in their power to avoid the disease.
If lungs and respirators start growing on trees, well then great, everyone gets what they need. But while there's a shortage, smokers and anti-vaxxers can and should be at the back of the line.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2021, 04:06:21 PM
Is anyone talking about limiting care to the unvaccinated (at least anyone in a position to actually do it)? The problem exists precisely because we can't, won't and shouldn't limit care, because much as I despise the massively overused "slippery slope" argument it actually applies here - we don't refuse to treat smokers for cancer, or fat people for high blood pressure (settle down there dcm), or people who have thrown themselves off a cliff entrusting their life to a sheet of expensive polythene and broken their legs, and they are all there entirely as a result of their own actions.
What is being talked about (and implemented in various ways and places) is mandating vaccines for access to locations and settings where being unvaccinated presents a greater risk to others. Like hospitals, and bars, and movie theatres. If someone wants to refuse to get vaccinated and go live off the land in the northern wilderness and never interact with humans again, more power to them. I have no problem with that. As soon as they want to actually engage with society they are a problem.
Did you mean to use a different word here?
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 04:10:57 PM
Did you mean to use a different word here?No, a bunch of us are meeting up at Lenox Hill Hospital on tailgate weekend, the jello there is great.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2021, 04:19:51 PM
No, a bunch of us are meeting up at Lenox Hill Hospital on tailgate weekend, the jello there is great.
Do they have watermelon flavored?
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2021, 04:24:00 PM
Did you mean to use a different word here?
No, I was specifically thinking about the mandate that anyone working in a hospital needs to be vaccinated although I didn't express it very well. I don't know if you have those mandates but we do.
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
No, I was specifically thinking about the mandate that anyone working in a hospital needs to be vaccinated although I didn't express it very well. I don't know if you have those mandates but we do.As all of our covid response has been, it's unevenly and inconsistently applied.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2021, 05:03:01 PM
I think there's a substantial difference between denying care as some sort of a punitive measure and rationing care due to a shortage of resources. Active smokers aren't put on lung transplant lists; it's not a punishment for smoking, there just aren't enough donated lungs to go around. I see no reason why a smoker should get a lung instead of someone who took care of theirs, and I see no reason why an anti-vaxxer should get a respirator instead of someone who did everything in their power to avoid the disease.
If lungs and respirators start growing on trees, well then great, everyone gets what they need. But while there's a shortage, smokers and anti-vaxxers can and should be at the back of the line.
The reason active smokers arent put on lung transplant lists is because institutions that do transplants (of any kind) are super cunty about survival rates. If someone is actively smoking, the odds of them living 5 years after a lung transplant aint good. And if they die it reflects poorly on that program and their ability to get accredited.
Hospitals are definitely starting to ration care again. I believe the article i posted this morning talked about the state enacting guidelines to allow it.
While I 100% think that every antivaxxer is a massive fuckin queynte who should be kicked in the taint, its not a good way to ration care. The reality is a LOT, hell id go so far as to say the overwhelming majority of care is futile and extremely wasteful. I imagine most people arent familiar with ECMO, but ECMO across the country is at the highest utilization rates EVER by a massive margin(ECMO is basically the most intense form of life support out there) . The survival rates for these patients on ECMO has to be in the single digits, they are phenomenally resource + staff intensive. The costs to the hospital (not what the patient/insurance but the actual hospital cost) is around 200,000-350,000 per patient. This is extremely extremely wasteful (not from just a money standpoint) but from the standpoint that you could have all these resources treating dozen potentially hundreds of other patients with far greater survival rates.
Yet here we are with probably every single ECMO circuit around the country running almost non stop. Because here in America we don't know when to let people die.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2021, 06:59:58 AM
Trump’s America
RIP Carmines
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2021, 07:11:35 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2021, 07:16:09 AM
If you decline to get the vaxx because you believe covid isn’t dangerous or your immune system is built different, you should also decline hospital care if you get covid.
this
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 07:17:30 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2021, 07:36:29 AM
If you decline the vaccine, you can and should be denied massive, glorious carbs at Carmines.
This.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 08:10:08 AM
If you decline the vaccine, you can and should be denied massive, glorious carbs at Carmines.Antivax, antisnacks
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 08:10:40 AM
https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/status/1438828091149783047?s=21
Trump’s America
RIP Carmines
Quote
the group of Texans
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 09:05:05 AM
I heard ivermectin works much better if you take it IV in massive quantities
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 09:09:48 AM
I think the solution to the unvaxxed clogging up hospitals is to let veterinarians take care of them.
I heard ivermectin works much better if you take it IV in massive quantities
I don't want that excrement. I'd rather my patients bite the excrement out of me and have owners expect miracles with no effort on their part, just like it is now. Never given Ivermectin IV. I guess I could see them on condition they recover in a kennel and agree to be neutered.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 17, 2021, 09:12:22 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2021, 09:16:19 AM
Interrupting the absurd commentary on how people should be denied medical treatment
Please point out who is doing this.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 09:21:16 AM
Interrupting the absurd commentary on how people should be denied medical treatment in order to point out how much its Ron DeSantis's fault that Vermont is about to set a new high in COVID cases.They have a pretty low bar for new highs.
Number of deaths per 100k people
Mississippi 308
New Jersey 306
Louisiana 288
New York 281
Massachusetts 267
Arizona 266
Rhode Island 265
Alabama 262
Arkansas 245
Florida 237
Connecticut 237
South Dakota 237
Georgia 230
Pennsylvania 225
South Carolina 224
Indiana 223
New Mexico 222
Nevada 221
Michigan 219
Oklahoma 213
Illinois 212
North Dakota 212
Texas 211
Tennessee 209
Iowa 203
Kansas 199
Delaware 196
Missouri 188
West Virginia 185
Kentucky 184
Ohio 182
Montana 174
California 171
Maryland 169
District of Columbia 165
Wyoming 159
Wisconsin 149
North Carolina 148
Idaho 145
Virginia 143
Minnesota 143
Colorado 128
Nebraska 122
New Hampshire 107
Puerto Rico 96
Washington 94
Utah 87
Oregon 84
Maine 73
Alaska 64
Hawaii 48
Vermont 47
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
Please point out who is doing this.
I'm actually pretty close to that point.
At the minimum I think it should be mandated that any antivaxxers be sterilized in order to get medical treatment.
From a person who works in the ICU excrement has gotten a bajillion times freaking worse in the last week and a half.
And I can speculate with the highest degree of confidence that the pandemic will be the worst it's ever been next month.
If you don't want a needle in your arm you should put a shotgun in your mouth
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 09:25:40 AM
They have a pretty low bar for new highs.
Number of deaths per 100k people
Mississippi 308
New Jersey 306
Louisiana 288
New York 281
Massachusetts 267
Arizona 266
Rhode Island 265
Alabama 262
Arkansas 245
Florida 237
Connecticut 237
South Dakota 237
Georgia 230
Pennsylvania 225
South Carolina 224
Indiana 223
New Mexico 222
Nevada 221
Michigan 219
Oklahoma 213
Illinois 212
North Dakota 212
Texas 211
Tennessee 209
Iowa 203
Kansas 199
Delaware 196
Missouri 188
West Virginia 185
Kentucky 184
Ohio 182
Montana 174
California 171
Maryland 169
District of Columbia 165
Wyoming 159
Wisconsin 149
North Carolina 148
Idaho 145
Virginia 143
Minnesota 143
Colorado 128
Nebraska 122
New Hampshire 107
Puerto Rico 96
Washington 94
Utah 87
Oregon 84
Maine 73
Alaska 64
Hawaii 48
Vermont 47
It's kind of surprising to see blue states at the top of the list.
But I think it's also impressive when you factoring in how densely populated urban areas are, where in some of these other places you're in the mountains or in a freaking forest
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 09:26:06 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 09:26:18 AM
I'm actually pretty close to that point.I can't imagine what that circus is like, I don't envy you man, but I appreciate it.
At the minimum I think it should be mandated that any antivaxxers be sterilized in order to get medical treatment.
From a person who works in the ICU excrement has gotten a bajillion times freaking worse in the last week and a half.
And I can speculate with the highest degree of confidence that the pandemic will be the worst it's ever been next month.
If you don't want a needle in your arm you should put a shotgun in your mouth
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2021, 09:31:42 AM
For the record, not that I have any say in it, but I oppose any denial of care to idiots. But I get why people feel that way.
Where I'm at also. But I'm asking mj to show me who in this thread has been arguing that people should be denied medical treatment, because I'm not seeing it. dcm is getting quite understandably frustrated at having to treat people who are in his ER and ICU wards because of their own stupidity at the expense of people who are there through no fault of their own, and SFD quite reasonably suggested that if people decline a vaccine because they don't trust it then it's only logical that they should equally decline any other form of medical treatment, but at no point has anyone actually said that anyone should be denied treatment.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 09:33:59 AM
It's kind of surprising to see blue states at the top of the list.Yeah, the top of the list is mostly a mix of northeast states with very dense population centers and Bible Belt states that routinely finish bottom 5 in education (and suffer crippling poverty).
But I think it's also impressive when you factoring in how densely populated urban areas are, where in some of these other places you're in the mountains or in a freaking forest
I've been pretty hesitant to award praise to any particular state or country for handling it well since it so often coincides with being sparsely populated or remote. So far a place like NZ, congrats for not freaking it up but they had every advantage.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 09:35:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 09:36:24 AM
Yeah, the top of the list is mostly a mix of northeast states with very dense population centers and Bible Belt states that routinely finish bottom 5 in education (and suffer crippling poverty).
I've been pretty hesitant to award praise to any particular state or country for handling it well since it so often coincides with being sparsely populated or remote. So far a place like NZ, congrats for not freaking it up but they had every advantage.
Antarctica is doing a great job!
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 09:52:23 AM
Where I'm at also. But I'm asking mj to show me who in this thread has been arguing that people should be denied medical treatment, because I'm not seeing it. dcm is getting quite understandably frustrated at having to treat people who are in his ER and ICU wards because of their own stupidity at the expense of people who are there through no fault of their own, and SFD quite reasonably suggested that if people decline a vaccine because they don't trust it then it's only logical that they should equally decline any other form of medical treatment, but at no point has anyone actually said that anyone should be denied treatment.
Honestly I'm all for sensibility and being reasonable.
If you're a pregnant mother I can 1000% understand being vaccine hesitant, if you have a young child I can understand you not wanting to give them a very new vaccine. If youre a full grown adult, and you don't have a legit reason, freak off.
Most of these freaking assholes who say they need to research it can't even freaking read. Most educated people don't even have the knowledge or background to make them capable of making an informed decision.
Maybe the solution to people not wanting to take a needle is to make the vaccine a suppository so it would be a process they're a little more used to.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 09:55:06 AM
Most of these freaking assholes who say they need to research it can't even freaking read.
All the reading I needed was the tweet about Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend's balls.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 09:59:37 AM
Then I just see this
https://news.yahoo.com/doctor-called-coronavirus-vaccines-fake-000624081.html
They appoint a freaking doctor to the health board who literally thinks the vaccine is fake.
Post by: ons on September 17, 2021, 10:01:48 AM
If you're a pregnant mother I can 1000% understand being vaccine hesitant
I was just in a lecture this week from someone working in a level IV NIC-U in the south who said that covid has wrecked neonatal care over the past few months. Unvaccinated pregnant moms dying in weeks 20-30 of pregnancy are really straining the system with a notable increase in extremely premature infants with severe needs and no biological moms. Sucked to listen to.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 10:02:35 AM
If you refuse the vaccine, your health insurance provider has the right to not cover you, and this should include Medicare and Medicaid.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 10:04:50 AM
I was just in a lecture this week from someone working in a level IV NIC-U in the south who said that covid has wrecked neonatal care over the past few months. Unvaccinated pregnant moms dying in weeks 20-30 of pregnancy are really straining the system with a notable increase in extremely premature infants with severe needs and no biological moms. Sucked to listen to.
That I'm sympathetic to. I mean I 100% think pregnant women should get the vaccine. But unfortunately decades of anti-vaxx retards have terrified mothers about getting vaccines. Suddenly everyone thinks if you're pregnant and you get a vaccine you're gonna have some kind of retard baby.
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2021, 10:32:40 AM
That I'm sympathetic to. I mean I 100% think pregnant women should get the vaccine. But unfortunately decades of anti-vaxx retards have terrified mothers about getting vaccines. Suddenly everyone thinks if you're pregnant and you get a vaccine you're gonna have some kind of retard baby.
If you're opposed to vaccines then I would agree that that seems quite likely, even if they don't come out of the womb that way.
Post by: delavan on September 17, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
That I'm sympathetic to. I mean I 100% think pregnant women should get the vaccine.
But unfortunately decades of anti-vaxx retards have terrified mothers about getting vaccines.
Suddenly everyone thinks if you're pregnant and you get a vaccine you're gonna have some kind of retard baby.
To combat the retard you have to think like the retard, so in addition to the vaccine offer the retard mom-to-be a 'retard baby vaxx' option in placebo form and package it thusly:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/12-08-18-tilidin-retard.jpg/640px-12-08-18-tilidin-retard.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2021, 01:36:01 PM
It's kind of surprising to see blue states at the top of the list.
But I think it's also impressive when you factoring in how densely populated urban areas are, where in some of these other places you're in the mountains or in a freaking forest
NJ has the largest population density in the nation. Mass is 3 and NY is 7. The fact that it's getting beaten out by Mississippi (28) and the next lowest state is Louisiana (26) is freaking horrifying.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 02:38:28 PM
https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1438949620005101568?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 02:41:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 02:49:34 PM
If these fuckers don't approve a booster for HCWs next week I'm gonna go lie my way into one.
It isn't easy. Friend of mine tried it for the past few weeks. Since his vaccines are registered, they keep rejecting him because he's had 2.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 02:51:51 PM
It isn't easy. Friend of mine tried it for the past few weeks. Since his vaccines are registered, they keep rejecting him because he's had 2.
Well my employer (also my school) is freaking retarded
They tried to throw me out of school for not being vaccinated.
When they're the motherfuckers who vaccinated me in the first place.and literally have all my records
Never underestimate government incompetence.
I'm more curious about the what's considered "high risk" criteria and going down that route anyhow
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2021, 02:57:55 PM
I get the shot, and they get a vaccine card
(i have no intention of doing this, but it's a pretty good idea, and they can go freak themselves when it comes to figuring out what to do about the second shot)
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
If these fuckers don't approve a booster for HCWs next week I'm gonna go lie my way into one.One of my dad's friends got a 3rd Pfizer the other week and supposedly didn't meet a criteria, they just let him make the appt? He even scheduled it in Garden City so he could get the same shot as the rich people (his words).
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 04:11:07 PM
If you decline to get the vaxx because you believe covid isn’t dangerous or your immune system is built different, you should also decline hospital care if you get covid.lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pq02m8/this_is_happening_all_over_the_country_this_is/hd805bd
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2021, 04:25:42 PM
lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pq02m8/this_is_happening_all_over_the_country_this_is/hd805bd
If people who post on that sub are going to willingly remove themselves from the gene pool I don't think we can really complain. If they could persuade the entire subscribership of /r/JoeRogan to join in that would be even better.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 17, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pq02m8/this_is_happening_all_over_the_country_this_is/hd805bd
Goddamn that's a vortex of tard.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2021, 07:02:25 PM
https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1438643320742367237?s=19
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2021, 08:29:04 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/hp1vu56mz5o71.jpg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf6461feb3090faa836832b8dab5ed66e2f55355)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 18, 2021, 08:57:50 AM
Let that sink in
(https://preview.redd.it/hp1vu56mz5o71.jpg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf6461feb3090faa836832b8dab5ed66e2f55355)
Wait till they learn that fidget spinners were created by Hillary Clinton to distract child trafficking victims for Epstein. When Epstein was found dead in his cell, there was a fidget spinner in that prison somewhere. Let that sink in.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2021, 11:24:41 AM
I understand before the internet existed but you can find out in about 20 seconds what college Bill Gates attended or who founded Moderna.
At the very least you can make some kind of super ambiguous lie that's near impossible to fact check.
"Anthony Fauci got rich off the pandemic""he has buddies he's trying to protect in Wuhan"
Don't make up freaking lies that are black and white that someone can call out near instantly.
But again I guess in order to peddle this excrement you have to be retarded, maybe it's from their mother vaccinating them as a child.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 18, 2021, 11:41:07 AM
I don't understand conspiracy theorist.
Stupid and desiring to be "different". Recipe for conspiracy theorist.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2021, 11:42:35 AM
Stupid and desiring to be "different". Recipe for conspiracy theorist.
I can completely understand pushing an agenda and forcing your view points (for whatever reason who the freak knows, but humans have done this forever)
But why do it in a way that just undermines you?
It's as if this whole thing is just some random dudes on 4chan
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2021, 11:44:36 AM
I can completely understand pushing an agenda and forcing your view points (for whatever reason who the freak knows, but humans have done this forever)CHANdemic
But why do it in a way that just undermines you?
It's as if this whole thing is just some random dudes on 4chan
Post by: bojanglesman on September 18, 2021, 12:12:13 PM
I can completely understand pushing an agenda and forcing your view points (for whatever reason who the freak knows, but humans have done this forever)
But why do it in a way that just undermines you?
It's as if this whole thing is just some random dudes on 4chan
I refer you back to the first word I posted.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2021, 12:23:03 PM
I refer you back to the first word I posted.
Fair
There's a part of me that would like to imagine that the voices that would rise to most vocal prominence would be the best and brightest.
But culture in the United States has long gone away from that direction, now this is the reality TV era.
Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
Fair
There's a part of me that would like to imagine that the voices that would rise to most vocal prominence would be the best and brightest.
But culture in the United States has long gone away from that direction, now this is the reality TV era.
90% of Americans would probably be vaccinated if Kim Kardashian and the bloke from Duck Dynasty endorsed it.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 18, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
90% of Americans would probably be vaccinated if Kim Kardashian and the bloke from Duck Dynasty endorsed it.
the unvaccinated would literally be begging for the vaccine if the government didn't make it freely and publicly available for all. if it wasn't as accessible, then this same group of covid hoax/anti-vaxxers would be going on and on about how the government is cynically holding something back from them just to prolong the pandemic. they'd literally be fighting and begging for the vaccine at that point.
i almost wish they went about it that way. it'd probably be the only way to get these dumbasses vaccinated.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2021, 06:03:05 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2021, 07:24:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CTixRic.jpg)(https://i.gifer.com/kOI.gif)
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2021, 07:30:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CTixRic.jpg)
It's am exaggerated point. But politics in this country has absolutely gotten to a point where the hate and contempt is at that level, and it goes both ways. There's absolutely people on the right who will take glee everytime something awful happens in Afghanistan so they can say look how bad Biden is (ie the recent drone strike) (and yes I made a post about that, but I'm also super obnoxious)
But it does go to say politics has turned thus world into a much more horrible disgusting place than it was before everyone was going to war for their team
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2021, 07:36:14 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2021, 09:17:59 AM
Post by: delavan on September 20, 2021, 09:18:38 AM
I'm leaving today..."
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Herman_Cain_%2814235025180%29.jpg/120px-Herman_Cain_%2814235025180%29.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 20, 2021, 10:04:46 AM
Dead R at the Pearly Gates: "At least I'm no cuck!"
St. Peter: "You're a cuck."
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2021, 05:49:52 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanTClarke/status/1440005294914867200?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2021, 05:51:37 PM
Best protest against vaccines so far
https://twitter.com/RyanTClarke/status/1440005294914867200?s=19
Further proof public school teachers are a bunch of freaking retards
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2021, 05:59:06 PM
Further proof public school teachers are a bunch of freaking retardsNot all of them. Idiots are in every profession. My Mom was a public school teacher.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2021, 06:00:34 PM
Not all of them. Idiots are in every profession. My Mom was a public school teacher.
I suppose a better response would have been these are the people raising America's children
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2021, 07:02:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2021, 07:15:58 PM
Where does it say she is a teacher? It says she is protesting the mandate for teachers to be vaccinated.
Okay school employee
Teacher was just an assumption, but regardless she's a member of the school team
I suppose she could be a lunch lady
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2021, 08:06:00 PM
Okay school employee
Teacher was just an assumption, but regardless she's a member of the school team
I suppose she could be a lunch lady
Probably teaches economics and thinks taxes fund federal spending.
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2021, 10:05:29 AM
Post by: reuben on September 21, 2021, 10:07:46 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2021, 11:19:43 AM
Quote
The Hockey News
@TheHockeyNews
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Edmonton Oilers goaltender Alex Stalock is expected to miss the entire 2021-22 NHL season due to a heart condition he developed after contracting COVID-19 last season.
But i was told Covid was JUST the flu.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 11:23:49 AM
But i was told Covid was JUST the flu.
Probably a bad batch of poutine. Seen it a million times.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2021, 11:26:30 AM
But i was told Covid was JUST the flu.
All hype-itis
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2021, 11:26:30 AM
That sounds terrible.
But i was told Covid was JUST the flu.
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
That sounds terrible.
scary excrement
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2021, 11:41:12 AM
scary excrement
Hype is horrifying.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 11:47:12 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 12:02:40 PM
As a covid survivor, I'm well placed to tell you whether or not it's like the flu. Well, I would be if I'd ever had the flu. Which to my knowledge I haven't.So it's worse than the flu? Bah gawd.....
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 12:04:23 PM
As a covid survivor, I'm well placed to tell you whether or not it's like the flu. Well, I would be if I'd ever had the flu. Which to my knowledge I haven't.
So you got the covid vaccine and you got covid.
But you never got a flu shot and never got the flu.
It's pretty clear that vaccines don't work
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 12:13:18 PM
So you got the covid vaccine and you got covid.
But you never got a flu shot and never got the flu.
It's pretty clear that vaccines don't work
Technically I got covid and then I got the vaccine. I have never had the flu or the flu shot. The logical conclusion to draw from this is that my immune system can effectively fight off the flu without me noticing but not covid (although my symptoms were pretty mild), and therefore we can categorically establish that covid is in fact worse than the flu.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 12:15:53 PM
Technically I got covid and then I got the vaccine. I have never had the flu or the flu shot. The logical conclusion to draw from this is that my immune system can effectively fight off the flu without me noticing but not covid (although my symptoms were pretty mild), and therefore we can categorically establish that covid is in fact worse than the flu.JE takes heartworm prevention: confirmed.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 12:40:47 PM
JE takes heartworm prevention: confirmed.
Also don't have heartworms, so is it really wrong?
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2021, 12:53:48 PM
Also don't have heartworms, so is it really wrong?
Bo has fartworms
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 12:55:21 PM
Also don't have heartworms, so is it really wrong?You don't know. There's a few cases of humas getting heartworms out there.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 12:55:53 PM
Bo has fartwormsPretty lethal infection that would be fatal to any other mere mortal. My derriere lives.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
You don't know. There's a few cases of humas getting heartworms out there.
Yeah but I'll bet none of them had taken heartworm meds, had they?
It's unassailable logic, Bo. Don't be coming at me with your medical training and qualifications and excrement. I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 12:59:08 PM
Bo has fartworms
This made me think of pinworms and its a terrible terrible thought
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2021, 01:58:23 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Like I genuinely don't believe someone could be that stupid. Not even addressing the conspiracy theory bullshit.
But so much was brought up about how the covid vaccine had to be stored in like super negative temperature freezers with all these special logistics. And it has to be given as an injection because well your stomach is a giant cauldron of acid.
But hey look they magically have a way to store it in a bottle of freaking acid.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 02:38:50 PM
I don't understand that excrement.
Like I genuinely don't believe someone could be that stupid. Not even addressing the conspiracy theory bullshit.
But so much was brought up about how the covid vaccine had to be stored in like super negative temperature freezers with all these special logistics. And it has to be given as an injection because well your stomach is a giant cauldron of acid.
But hey look they magically have a way to store it in a bottle of freaking acid.
A surprising amount of people lack basic anatomy and physiology knowledge. Like, your food doesn't go from your mouth straight to your heart.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 02:42:09 PM
A surprising amount of people lack basic anatomy and physiology knowledge. Like, your food doesn't go from your mouth straight to your heart.
Fine you don't get the acid thing. But the covid vaccine temperature thing was front page news for like 2 months.
Plus there's also the common sense of uhh if you can take it as a pill we wouldn't be giving it as a shot
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 02:58:47 PM
Fine you don't get the acid thing. But the covid vaccine temperature thing was front page news for like 2 months.You assume too much. Like these people can read.
Plus there's also the common sense of uhh if you can take it as a pill we wouldn't be giving it as a shot
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2021, 04:18:47 PM
I don't understand that excrement.At least giving dumbfucks tremendous responsibility appears to be a bipartisan effort
Like I genuinely don't believe someone could be that stupid. Not even addressing the conspiracy theory bullshit.
But so much was brought up about how the covid vaccine had to be stored in like super negative temperature freezers with all these special logistics. And it has to be given as an injection because well your stomach is a giant cauldron of acid.
But hey look they magically have a way to store it in a bottle of freaking acid.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210922/52c9e1929bcec98576f0c078479a4fc0.jpg)
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2021, 04:25:37 PM
You assume too much. Like these people can read.Carmines put maderma in ma ravioli
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2021, 04:52:34 PM
Carmines put maderma in ma ravioli(https://complex-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/c298ca8gnbeehrmh9ekt.gif)
Post by: ons on September 22, 2021, 09:13:14 PM
So much freaking excess death.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 09:24:00 PM
A cure for covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5819717001
(too many freaking AMPs, I don't know what's up with that excrement, must be the 5g)
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
Finally!
A cure for covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5819717001
(too many freaking AMPs, I don't know what's up with that excrement, must be the 5g)
What the freak shitty sources are you using to get your news? I'll bet your phone and PC look like my mother-in-law's.
This is the actual link:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/22/covid-asthma-organization-social-media-trend-treatment/5819717001/
Post by: dcm1602 on September 22, 2021, 09:41:46 PM
What the freak shitty sources are you using to get your news? I'll bet your phone and PC look like my mother-in-law's.
This is the actual link:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/22/covid-asthma-organization-social-media-trend-treatment/5819717001/
Uhm literally chrome
Hell if I type in the name of the article on Chrome, that's the only thing that comes up.
And damn your MIL must have a helluva lot of porn
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2021, 08:29:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_6CTqFUcBEAXXC?format=jpg)All hype
So much freaking excess death.
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2021, 08:31:32 AM
What the freak shitty sources are you using to get your news? I'll bet your phone and PC look like my mother-in-law's.This strikes me as not a real trend and something someone made up for malicious trolling. Like the old post telling people they could charge their iPhone battery instantly by putting it in the microwave.
This is the actual link:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/22/covid-asthma-organization-social-media-trend-treatment/5819717001/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2021, 08:56:28 AM
Darwinism for people that insist on taking anything other than the actual medicine for the virus
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2021, 09:11:46 AM
Go get your derriere needled dcm. Good for you.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2021, 09:12:57 AM
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/cdc-leader-adds-people-with-risky-jobs-to-covid-booster-list/19892643/
Go get your derriere needled dcm. Good for you.
I reserve getting my derriere stuck for steroids and Heismanberg.
Though I'm waiting for this to trickle down to the localities (it hasn't, yet)
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2021, 09:28:19 AM
I reserve getting my derriere stuck for steroids and Heismanberg.
4 honks
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2021, 10:48:00 AM
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1441395300002848769?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2021, 11:03:51 AM
Thread
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1441395300002848769?s=19
I completely support this
Please stop coming to the ICU with COVID, stay home and have sex with cattle and snort some peroxide.
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2021, 11:33:16 AM
I completely support thisSnorting borax powder actually fortifies your lungs' alveoli against (((them)))
Please stop coming to the ICU with COVID, stay home and have sex with cattle and snort some peroxide.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 24, 2021, 10:05:12 PM
Thread
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1441395300002848769?s=19
i've said this on this board before and posters disagreed, but you cannot convince me otherwise that large portions of humankind have completely lost the plot and are dumber and crazier than ever
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
i've said this on this board before and posters disagreed, but you cannot convince me otherwise that large portions of humankind have completely lost the plot and are dumber and crazier than ever
I think it's fairly easy to make a convincing argument that people are as dumb as they've always been.
The internet just makes it easier to highlight the most extreme examples before they kill themselves off
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2021, 11:58:44 AM
"Eating your own excrement cures covid"
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2021, 01:53:42 PM
TBD how that goes
I imagine you're going to see an insane amount of illegal excrement happening in regards to this. Severely understaffed organizations being forced to have mass layoffs?
I guess the question is how many of these organizations had the foresight (and were fortunate enoguh) to find people
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Ny has to lay off thousands of retards working in Healthcare on MondaySeems like the emerging narrative is already that the mandates are more to blame than these selfish individuals.
TBD how that goes
I imagine you're going to see an insane amount of illegal excrement happening in regards to this. Severely understaffed organizations being forced to have mass layoffs?
I guess the question is how many of these organizations had the foresight (and were fortunate enoguh) to find people
Post by: dcm1602 on September 26, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
Seems like the emerging narrative is already that the mandates are more to blame than these selfish individuals.
The only good argument I've seen is from people who have already actually had covid so they have immunity.
Of course the counter argument is. If you don't get a freaking shot you won't have a freaking job
Post by: delavan on September 27, 2021, 08:17:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2021, 09:35:57 AM
Why can’t more people be like this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2021, 09:55:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 27, 2021, 11:20:02 PM
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1442670785529798657?s=21
Doesn't look like a bunch of fat old white Republican men
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2021, 11:53:53 AM
https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/1442806675325476867?s=21
Reading this just makes me want to punch a lot of people.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2021, 09:23:50 PM
https://twitter.com/MillerStream/status/1442968341048532994?s=19
Brb replacing my blood with horse blood
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/an-nba-star-and-new-yorks-governor-8d1?
Post by: ons on September 29, 2021, 11:01:44 AM
Easy for Jonathan Isaac to say (me I’m not chancing it)….
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/an-nba-star-and-new-yorks-governor-8d1?
The loving your neighbor line is so freaking frustrating. Taking the vaccine is the easiest way to actually make the lives of those around you better, particularly if they're immune-compromised or suffering from other critical illnesses that require intensive care. He himself acknowledges that rarity of his having adverse symptoms from a vaccine. Like, being supportive of everyone's decision to take or not take a vaccine doesn't actually change material living conditions of your neighbors, but having a population that is highly vaccinated can literally save your neighbors' lives.
If he goes with the language, "I'm scared of the vaccine and I'm not convinced that a second bout of Covid is riskier than the side-effects of a vaccine" at least he's being intellectually honest. But hiding behind 'love your neighbor' as a way to preemptively shield himself from criticism is such a vapid, empty sentiment.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2021, 01:12:30 PM
28K votes lol
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2021, 10:37:11 AM
this is a good read. Explains how Moderna plans to handle variants with multivalent booster shots.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 11:08:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2021, 10:26:40 AM
The self-own is strong in this one
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 05, 2021, 11:01:06 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2021, 12:42:04 PM
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2021, 12:45:21 PM
If I hear another idiot say he's gonna do his research before getting vaccinated..... Bitch you can't think, how are you gonna research?This is what JE needs to start telling people when they ask how he became a Jets fan.
"I did my own research."
Post by: Gorilla on October 05, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
If I hear another idiot say he's gonna do his research before getting vaccinated..... Bitch you can't think, how are you gonna research?
This, exactly!
Especially when it comes to what many consider "research" or "evidence".
Like my way-too-patient RN wife told her mother, "Grandma and Aunt (dumbass) and the Food Babe are not 'evidence' ".
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2021, 08:02:41 PM
https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1443982151511429131?t=zyIPuWShN_I_qvaCR3hW1Q&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 06, 2021, 10:39:36 AM
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2021, 10:54:40 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 06, 2021, 11:33:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2021, 09:16:42 AM
Its not as noble as it sounds.
Transplant survival rates are a huge thing for transplant centers, who can have their credential status revoked with poor outcomes and survival rates.
But it's still nice to see, though it probably misleads the public on their motivations
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2021, 09:26:27 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/05/uchealth-transplant-unvaccinated/Isn't it the same logic behind not giving a new liver to an alcoholic? Objectively scoring their likelihood to comply with the conditions needed for a successful transplant long-term.
Its not as noble as it sounds.
Transplant survival rates are a huge thing for transplant centers, who can have their credential status revoked with poor outcomes and survival rates.
But it's still nice to see, though it probably misleads the public on their motivations
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2021, 09:28:02 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/05/uchealth-transplant-unvaccinated/
Its not as noble as it sounds.
Transplant survival rates are a huge thing for transplant centers, who can have their credential status revoked with poor outcomes and survival rates.
But it's still nice to see, though it probably misleads the public on their motivations
This is mindblowing:
Quote
Geitner did not identify the patient allegedly denied a transplant, but Leilani Lutali told 9News that it was her and said she is “being coerced into making a decision that is one I’m not comfortable making right now in order to live.”
So she's willing to trust to a huge team of surgeons and doctors and nurses and anaesthetists to literally replace a critical organ in her body with one coming from someone she knows nothing about and whose lifestyle she knows nothing about, and then presumably consume a wide variety of immunosuppressants and antibiotics and painkillers and freak knows what else to try and make sure that her body doesn't reject this foreign organ, but her line in the sand is a covid vaccine?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2021, 09:29:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2021, 09:33:05 AM
This is mindblowing:
So she's willing to trust to a huge team of surgeons and doctors and nurses and anaesthetists to literally replace a critical organ in her body with one coming from someone she knows nothing about and whose lifestyle she knows nothing about, and then presumably consume a wide variety of immunosuppressants and antibiotics and painkillers and freak knows what else to try and make sure that her body doesn't reject this foreign organ, but her line in the sand is a covid vaccine?
DumbfuckSZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 07, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
This is mindblowing:
So she's willing to trust to a huge team of surgeons and doctors and nurses and anaesthetists to literally replace a critical organ in her body with one coming from someone she knows nothing about and whose lifestyle she knows nothing about, and then presumably consume a wide variety of immunosuppressants and antibiotics and painkillers and freak knows what else to try and make sure that her body doesn't reject this foreign organ, but her line in the sand is a covid vaccine?
I cannot fathom what goes through someone's brain for this to be the case.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
This is mindblowing:
So she's willing to trust to a huge team of surgeons and doctors and nurses and anaesthetists to literally replace a critical organ in her body with one coming from someone she knows nothing about and whose lifestyle she knows nothing about, and then presumably consume a wide variety of immunosuppressants and antibiotics and painkillers and freak knows what else to try and make sure that her body doesn't reject this foreign organ, but her line in the sand is a covid vaccine?
Not to mention she's almost certainly dependent on dialysis, so she's spending literally hours hooked up to a freaking machine filtering her blood through all kinds of chemicals and excrement on a several times a week basis.
Not to mention the odds of you dying a horrific death in the hosptial from freaking covid before getting discharged are incredibly high.
Back before the covid vaccine existed we had several patients undergo transplants, end very poorly.
Whether it'll be from family members visiting, or one of the several hundred hosptial staff members you're going to interact with during your time in the hospital. The odds of you getting exposed are sky high.
And when your immune system is intentionally turned basically off, usually not a good combo.
Not sure what the research suggests to the survival rate of vaccinated people getting transplants, but I'd have to imagine that's also abysmal
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 07, 2021, 11:42:53 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-burnham-killed-pharmacist-brother-covid-vaccine-shots-poisoning/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-burnham-killed-pharmacist-brother-covid-vaccine-shots-poisoning/)
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2021, 12:06:31 PM
Well this is terrible.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-burnham-killed-pharmacist-brother-covid-vaccine-shots-poisoning/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-burnham-killed-pharmacist-brother-covid-vaccine-shots-poisoning/)
Vaccines are killing people, so let me murder you so people don't get killed!!!
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
Post by: delavan on October 07, 2021, 06:14:09 PM
Unreasonable people aren't reasonable.
And unvaccinated people aren't unvaccinable.
..or somethin' like that
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2021, 06:41:05 PM
And unvaccinated people aren't unvaccinable.Unless they are unreasonable.
..or somethin' like that
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2021, 10:53:12 PM
Unless they are unreasonable.You've got unknown unreasonables, known unreasonables, unknown reasonables...
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2021, 08:43:27 AM
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2021, 08:29:30 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Unholy_three.png)
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2021, 06:30:26 PM
COVID-19 was the leading of death among people ages 35 to 54 -- and the second-leading cause overall -- in September, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Peterson Center on Healthcare.
The research also estimates that since June more than 90,000 U.S. deaths from COVID-19 could have been prevented with vaccines, and more than half of those occurred last month.
In January, COVID-19 was the nation's No. 1 cause of death, the analysis found. In July, before the delta surge, COVID-19 briefly dropped to eighth.
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2021, 03:32:34 PM
Post by: delavan on October 14, 2021, 05:22:12 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 14, 2021, 05:41:12 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253
COVID-19 was the leading of death among people ages 35 to 54 -- and the second-leading cause overall -- in September, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Peterson Center on Healthcare.
The research also estimates that since June more than 90,000 U.S. deaths from COVID-19 could have been prevented with vaccines, and more than half of those occurred last month.
In January, COVID-19 was the nation's No. 1 cause of death, the analysis found. In July, before the delta surge, COVID-19 briefly dropped to eighth.
Man Biden really dropped the ball on this covid thing
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
Man Biden really dropped the ball on this covid thingLet's go Brandon
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 14, 2021, 09:10:16 PM
Let's go Brandon
he's joe byron from now on
Post by: bojanglesman on October 15, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
Welcome to 'merica, drive on over and get yourself some fresh covid strains.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2021, 10:08:17 AM
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2021, 11:14:28 AM
I got my 3rd vaccine shot on Wed....Does the microchip interfere with your pump?
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2021, 11:17:25 AM
Does the microchip interfere with your pump?
No...but i'm able to access the Playboy channel for free.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2021, 08:13:51 AM
TL:DR/freak you paywall version:
-Very limited study of only 50 people, not tested nearly enough to be a deciding factor.
-Two J&J shots produced lowest antibody count
-J&J+Moderna slightly better than J&J+Pfizer
-Moderna regimen with Moderna booster produced highest amount overall.
-Pfizer regimen with Moderna booster produced second most
-Moderna regimen with Pfizer booster produced the third most.
Again, not enough of a sample size to trust it but it looks like mixing and matching will produce better results for people who did not receive the Moderna regimen.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2021, 08:15:19 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/10/mix-match-booster-covid-vaccine/620395/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/10/mix-match-booster-covid-vaccine/620395/)
TL:DR/freak you paywall version:
-Very limited study of only 50 people, not tested nearly enough to be a deciding factor.
-Two J&J shots produced lowest antibody count
-J&J+Moderna slightly better than J&J+Pfizer
-Moderna regimen with Moderna booster produced highest amount overall.
-Pfizer regimen with Moderna booster produced second most
-Moderna regimen with Pfizer booster produced the third most.
Again, not enough of a sample size to trust it but it looks like mixing and matching will produce better results for people who did not receive the Moderna regimen.
I'm currently sporting an AstraZeneca with 2 shots of Moderna....the MB cocktail.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2021, 09:49:34 AM
I'm currently sporting an AstraZeneca with 2 shots of Moderna....the MB cocktail.I'm shoving heartworm prevention up my poopchute because Trump.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2021, 09:50:08 AM
I'm shoving heartworm prevention up my poopchute because Trump.
Puck wants you to share it with him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2021, 09:53:08 AM
Puck wants you to share it with him.
Just two dudes space docking the fake COVID cure.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2021, 10:13:08 AM
Just two dudes space docking the fake COVID cure.
a love story for the ages.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2021, 11:17:08 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2021, 06:32:21 AM
https://twitter.com/ButNoPotato/status/1450308868572078084?t=CNiX451djN_kQwKc1vzlyw&s=19
Did he think about it?
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2021, 06:43:30 AM
https://twitter.com/ButNoPotato/status/1450308868572078084?t=CNiX451djN_kQwKc1vzlyw&s=19
these are the asshats that will keep the pandemic around.....until they get Herman Cain'd
Post by: dcm1602 on October 20, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Hospitals are getting sued by patients demanding they give them ivermectin
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-new-york-lawsuits-7ab397f269d1fb9083bb782f9bfc2317
Could be a highly troubling trend if we decide you can just sue your way into getting any drug/treatment you desire
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 10:37:34 AM
Now, to turn into a skeleton waiting for a single person to eat crow for it.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 21, 2021, 10:44:38 AM
Wuhan lab theory debunked btw
Now, to turn into a skeleton waiting for a single person to eat crow for it.
I don't see anything of the sort being published on any of the mainstream news networks.
Are you basing this off a tiktok video or something?
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
I don't see anything of the sort being published on any of the mainstream news networks.
And not an ounce of curiosity why that might be.
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Are you basing this off a tiktok video or something?
Read the 10/20/21 HHS letter to Rep. James Comer.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2021, 11:35:05 AM
And not an ounce of curiosity why that might be.
Read the 10/20/21 HHS letter to Rep. James Comer.
All I see are people sucking off Rand Paul because that letter confirms NIH did gain of function research.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 21, 2021, 11:38:14 AM
All I see are people sucking off Rand Paul because that letter confirms NIH did gain of function research.
...So in other words, Rand was right and Fauci is a freaking liar (among other things).
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2021, 11:43:17 AM
Read the 10/20/21 HHS letter to Rep. James Comer.
As googling "HHS letter to James Comer" returns nothing useful, perhaps you could actually provide a link to it rather than expecting people to burrow around in arcane corners of interbranch communications.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
As googling "HHS letter to James Comer" returns nothing useful, perhaps you could actually provide a link to it rather than expecting people to burrow around in arcane corners of interbranch communications.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCLLj3-UYAEIwSc?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2021, 12:09:50 PM
...So in other words, Rand was right and Fauci is a freaking liar (among other things).
No.
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“The research plan was reviewed by the NIH in advance of funding, and NOH determined that it did not fit the definition of research involving enhanced pathogens of pandemic potential,”
They were trying to see if a naturally occurring virus could infect humans, they didn't engineer a virus with the intention to do that. Despite this, the grantee failed to report the unexpected finding, not NIH. Rand the fake eye doctor is twisting things around in 20 different directions because his ignorant followers don't bother reading and will be confused easily and believe him if he tells them anything.
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"Analysis of published genomic data and other documents from the grantee demonstrate that the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant are genetically far distant from SARS-CoV-2 and could not possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic. Any claims to the contrary are demonstrably false."
Post by: mj2sexay on October 21, 2021, 12:15:44 PM
No.
They were trying to see if a naturally occurring virus could infect humans, they didn't engineer a virus with the intention to do that. Despite this, the grantee failed to report the unexpected finding, not NIH. Rand the fake eye doctor is twisting things around in 20 different directions because his ignorant followers don't bother reading and will be confused easily and believe him if he tells them anything.
Your misconstruing his position, but that's to be expected considering the rest of this rhetoric.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
Your misconstruing his position, but that's to be expected considering the rest of this rhetoric.You want to believe the politician, go right ahead.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 21, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
You want to believe the politician, go right ahead.
That also applies to the government agency and unelected bureaucrat that's already been caught red handed.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2021, 12:51:47 PM
That also applies to the government agency and unelected bureaucrat that's already been caught red handed.
You want to believe the politician, go right ahead...
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 02:14:12 PM
As googling "HHS letter to James Comer" returns nothing useful, perhaps you could actually provide a link to it rather than expecting people to burrow around in arcane corners of interbranch communications.Part of the point is how buried under excrement it is. Unless someone was A. told what it says or B. took the time to click through the article and find the source and read it all, it's going completely unmentioned.
Props to bo for finding it.
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 02:15:42 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 21, 2021, 04:01:18 PM
I'll gladly do a trade off, we fire Fauci into the sun and everyone stops repeating boomer conspiracy theories.
But CRT says POC shouldn't get vaccinated because of years of Tuskegee
Guess it's not just boomers haven't stupid freaking conspiracy theories
Post by: delavan on October 21, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
As googling "HHS letter to James Comer" returns nothing useful, perhaps you could actually provide a link to it rather than expecting people to burrow around in arcane corners of interbranch communications.oh my darlin' clandestintine..
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/science/bats-covid-lab-leak-nih.html
https://twitter.com/GOPoversight/status/1450934193177903105/photo/1
https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/
https://theintercept.com/2021/10/21/virus-mers-wuhan-experiments/
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2021, 04:29:40 PM
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Experiments that can endow viruses with new abilities — sometimes called “gain of function” — have caused particular concern.
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Ms. Myles dismissed the claim that EcoHealth’s experiments constituted gain-of-function research. She acknowledged that the findings in mice were “somewhat unexpected.” But Ms. Myles said the agency had reviewed the research described in EcoHealth’s progress report, and said it would not have triggered a review under the stricter protocols for P3CO studies.
“The bat coronaviruses used in this research have not been shown to infect humans, and the experiments were not reasonably expected to increase transmissibility or virulence in humans,” she said.
And the NY Post decides to go with the headline:
NIH ADMITS US FUNDED GAIN OF FUNCTION IN WUHAN
Remarkable.
Post by: delavan on October 21, 2021, 07:58:06 PM
So the NIH specifically say that this was not gain of function research. From the NYT article:The overall point being that one didn't have to look under 'arcane corners' i.e. the friendly fire NYT or the MAGA trash NYPost, etc....
And the NY Post decides to go with the headline:
NIH ADMITS US FUNDED GAIN OF FUNCTION IN WUHAN
Remarkable.
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2021, 08:49:02 PM
The overall point being that one didn't have to look under 'arcane corners' i.e. the friendly fire NYT or the MAGA trash NYPost, etc....
Go back and read my post. The links were not being returned on Google at lunchtime today. The only one actually coming up now is the NYT story.
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
But CRT says POC shouldn't get vaccinated because of years of TuskegeeWhy are you like this
Guess it's not just boomers haven't stupid freaking conspiracy theories
Post by: mj2sexay on October 25, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
Thank you Governor (hopefully future President) DeSantis.
Post by: Badger on October 25, 2021, 04:37:35 PM
Florida with the lowest COVID infection rate out of any State in the country.Ok(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211025/d0e74c55ede35b358fa0641d9d5f9b52.jpg)
Thank you Governor (hopefully future President) DeSantis.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 25, 2021, 04:41:39 PM
Ok(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211025/d0e74c55ede35b358fa0641d9d5f9b52.jpg)
Ah, stat I had read was since June.
Still, considering supposedly De Santis was the worst governor in the country at handling this pandemic (Cuomlol gets a pass for killing grandma but not groping some aide), its amazing how this isn't being highlighted with the same fervor as the narrative that Ronny D is killing people.
And not for nothing, look at the rest of those States. None have the metropolitan hub of say Miami.
Post by: delavan on October 25, 2021, 07:16:48 PM
^ Tell me this can't be true
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Beagle_puppy_sitting_on_grass.jpg/320px-Beagle_puppy_sitting_on_grass.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on October 25, 2021, 08:26:18 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-bipartisan-nih-abuse-de-barked-beagle-puppies-1641904
^ Tell me this can't be true
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Beagle_puppy_sitting_on_grass.jpg/320px-Beagle_puppy_sitting_on_grass.jpg)
It's almost like Fauci is a huge piece of excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2021, 10:54:03 PM
Why are you like this
CRT was taught in his elementary school growing up
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2021, 12:50:50 AM
CRT was taught in his elementary school growing up
I'm so old that back in the day when I went to school they used to teach you stuff like math and the science.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 26, 2021, 07:57:25 AM
I'm so old that back in the day when I went to school they used to teach you stuff like math and the science.
Remember being taught to treat people as individuals?
Post by: Badger on October 26, 2021, 08:22:38 AM
I'm so old that back in the day when I went to school they used to teach you stuff like math and the science.
Remember being taught to treat people as individuals?So what are your kids learning in school this year?
Post by: mj2sexay on October 26, 2021, 08:37:15 AM
So what are your kids learning in school this year?
Division, just not in the mathematical sense.
Post by: MBGreen on October 26, 2021, 09:05:58 AM
Division, just not in the mathematical sense.
Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe?
Post by: delavan on October 26, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
Division, just not in the mathematical sense.
Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe?(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Gay_Couple_togetherness_in_bed_01.jpg/260px-Gay_Couple_togetherness_in_bed_01.jpg)
Post by: Badger on October 26, 2021, 11:13:30 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 27, 2021, 09:38:05 AM
Still waiting for an actual answer though
The material is there for all to see, we've been through this. I suggest delving into the work of Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism, or Christopher Rufo.
Tell me the benefit of teaching kids that white children become full on racists by age 5 after explaining that white babies initially show signs at 3 months old.
Perhaps someone can explain the benefit of telling five year olds that all white people perpetuate racism as they look at videos of dead black children, warning them that the police can kill them at any time.
But hey, while in Philly they're celebrating "black communism" and forcing fifth graders to hold simulated black power rallies to "free angela davis' at least 87 percent of those same kids aren't reading at their grade level!
The public school system is increasingly careening into mass indoctrination stations in which the United States was founded by "white parasites" and only the history of Howard Zinn and the segregationist teachings of Ibram Kendi are gospel.
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2021, 11:03:40 AM
The material is there for all to see, we've been through this. I suggest delving into the work of Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism, or Christopher Rufo.I'll let you know as soon as any of that happens
Tell me the benefit of teaching kids that white children become full on racists by age 5 after explaining that white babies initially show signs at 3 months old.
Perhaps someone can explain the benefit of telling five year olds that all white people perpetuate racism as they look at videos of dead black children, warning them that the police can kill them at any time.
But hey, while in Philly they're celebrating "black communism" and forcing fifth graders to hold simulated black power rallies to "free angela davis' at least 87 percent of those same kids aren't reading at their grade level!
The public school system is increasingly careening into mass indoctrination stations in which the United States was founded by "white parasites" and only the history of Howard Zinn and the segregationist teachings of Ibram Kendi are gospel.
Post by: ons on October 27, 2021, 11:15:32 AM
So what are your kids learning in school this year?
I know I've posted stuff like this before, but a few recent examples from my personal life that I think of whenever I hear conversations like this:
1. My spouse is a middle school foreign language teacher, a relatively high ranking union rep, and one of the advisors of the school's lgbt+ club. She was recently moved to a portable classroom which was put up at the last minute because of a labor shortage, her usual school-provided US flag wasn't hanging for the first week of school. But she decorated her classroom as much as she could, and put up a pride flag that included black/brown stripes on the wall for her club. A few days into the school year, the principal of the school received a call from a concerned parent that she is forcing the students to pledge allegiance to the "gay, black lives matter flag" and that as a Christian and taxpayer, they find this deeply unsettling and want an explanation.
She has always stood at the front of the classroom and recited the pledge of allegiance to the US flag every morning for the past eight years, and has explicitly invited but not demanded her class do the same. She ended up spending over an hour on the phone with this parent for a conversation I got the privilege of hearing one side of explaining that no one is ever forced to pledge allegiance to any flag in her classroom, but she invites all students to make the traditional pledge to the American flag if they want to and are comfortable doing so. Parent conceded, ranted for a long time about not wanting to be appear homophobic, but is really concerned by public schools promoting sinful behavior, and suggested she will be closely scrutinizing the curriculum to make sure her son isn't being targeted for his beliefs.
2. In teaching a foreign language, she often goes over relevant news articles to try to increase engagement. On George Floyd's birthday, she spent the warmup discussion talking attempting to engage her class about why he was in the news again. She has a strong belief in two things in this exercise: if students care enough about a topic to talk about it in the target language, it's a great thing for language acquisition, and she really tries to get students to express different ideas so they can have an easy, low-stakes place to start to think critically, communicate respectfully, and hear each other's thoughts. A couple days later, she receives a long, rambling email from a different parent accusing her of indoctrinating their child, bringing up George Floyd's various criminal offenses, accusing her of 'failing' the child because of their family's political beliefs, and saying that they have to have a several hour conversation every night to discuss what has happened in French class (the kid is doing fine in class, and has told my spouse how much he French - she is generally pretty popular with the kids). She ends up meeting with her principal and drafting an email with the support of admin and another teacher to try to communicate that the child is doing well, how proud she is of the child for engaging in class every day, that she takes this feedback seriously, and that they are doing what they can to keep the kids engaged with a focus on language acquisition and communication, which are some of the main state standards they are focusing on in this class.
Additionally, there have been lawsuits for access to all school district emails and records containing the possibility of evidence that the district is using taxpayer money to fund CRT ideology in the district (as well as a similar lawsuit alleging the district was intentionally sabotaging efforts to have kids in school full time last year) The school has apparently spent significantly more of that taxpayer money hiring lawyers to defend themselves than budgeted, leading to budget shortcoming in other areas.
Which is all to say, I'm sure there are plenty of examples of parents finding horrific indoctrination and overt ideology in public schools. And it is definitely true that all choices that a teacher makes regarding what they teach and how they teach it are somewhat political, so there is almost no way to teach in a truly 'value-neutral' way. Even in subjects like math, different pedagogical models are politically influenced (do you teach to the bottom of the class to make sure everyone has the same basic proficiency? do you just teach your curriculum and let floundering students keep on floundering?) In French class, choosing which articles and stories to talk about by default will always contain some bias and some awareness of a larger politicized world. My spouse does focus on media with more black and brown people in it; her school district is ~90% white, and she considers it part of her job to prepare her students for interacting with more diversity after they graduate. This is a political choice, and she is aware of the consequences of that choice.
All the teachers I know are extremely, extremely vigilant around trying not to overtly politicize their classrooms, because all the teachers I know have a strong sense of idealism, a strong value in their content area, and a lot of pride in their ability to teach their subject. And because they are acutely aware that if they leave a tiny bit of flesh on the bone that might reveal some left-leaning bias, they are going to be targeted by a group of litigious parents with a lot of time on their hands, and no teacher I know ever wants to participate in a prolonged conversation with parents in their free time to defend themselves against allegations of bias.
For some additional context, my spouse has been informed by administration that she is likely on a 'list' going around a certain group of parents and will likely be targeted professionally in some capacity in the coming years. Pictures of the doors of particular teachers' classrooms have been posted on social media by parents with threatening, violent language. An image of a left-leaning school board member in crosshairs was put up just outside the entrance to the school administration's building, proudly erected by one of this group's self-proclaimed leaders. This group of parents has so far failed to elect a single school board member that they have supported, despite claiming to speak for the silent majority of parents in the district.
tl;dr: parents are crazy, no idea what kind of teacher will willingly jeopardize their precious free time to indoctrinate students. They are mostly just trying to get get through the school day
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2021, 11:30:48 AM
I know I've posted stuff like this before, but a few recent examples from my personal life that I think of whenever I hear conversations like this:
1. My spouse is a middle school foreign language teacher, a relatively high ranking union rep, and one of the advisors of the school's lgbt+ club. She was recently moved to a portable classroom which was put up at the last minute because of a labor shortage, her usual school-provided US flag wasn't hanging for the first week of school. But she decorated her classroom as much as she could, and put up a pride flag that included black/brown stripes on the wall for her club. A few days into the school year, the principal of the school received a call from a concerned parent that she is forcing the students to pledge allegiance to the "gay, black lives matter flag" and that as a Christian and taxpayer, they find this deeply unsettling and want an explanation.
She has always stood at the front of the classroom and recited the pledge of allegiance to the US flag every morning for the past eight years, and has explicitly invited but not demanded her class do the same. She ended up spending over an hour on the phone with this parent for a conversation I got the privilege of hearing one side of explaining that no one is ever forced to pledge allegiance to any flag in her classroom, but she invites all students to make the traditional pledge to the American flag if they want to and are comfortable doing so. Parent conceded, ranted for a long time about not wanting to be appear homophobic, but is really concerned by public schools promoting sinful behavior, and suggested she will be closely scrutinizing the curriculum to make sure her son isn't being targeted for his beliefs.
2. In teaching a foreign language, she often goes over relevant news articles to try to increase engagement. On George Floyd's birthday, she spent the warmup discussion talking attempting to engage her class about why he was in the news again. She has a strong belief in two things in this exercise: if students care enough about a topic to talk about it in the target language, it's a great thing for language acquisition, and she really tries to get students to express different ideas so they can have an easy, low-stakes place to start to think critically, communicate respectfully, and hear each other's thoughts. A couple days later, she receives a long, rambling email from a different parent accusing her of indoctrinating their child, bringing up George Floyd's various criminal offenses, accusing her of 'failing' the child because of their family's political beliefs, and saying that they have to have a several hour conversation every night to discuss what has happened in French class (the kid is doing fine in class, and has told my spouse how much he French - she is generally pretty popular with the kids). She ends up meeting with her principal and drafting an email with the support of admin and another teacher to try to communicate that the child is doing well, how proud she is of the child for engaging in class every day, that she takes this feedback seriously, and that they are doing what they can to keep the kids engaged with a focus on language acquisition and communication, which are some of the main state standards they are focusing on in this class.
Additionally, there have been lawsuits for access to all school district emails and records containing the possibility of evidence that the district is using taxpayer money to fund CRT ideology in the district (as well as a similar lawsuit alleging the district was intentionally sabotaging efforts to have kids in school full time last year) The school has apparently spent significantly more of that taxpayer money hiring lawyers to defend themselves than budgeted, leading to budget shortcoming in other areas.
Which is all to say, I'm sure there are plenty of examples of parents finding horrific indoctrination and overt ideology in public schools. And it is definitely true that all choices that a teacher makes regarding what they teach and how they teach it are somewhat political, so there is almost no way to teach in a truly 'value-neutral' way. Even in subjects like math, different pedagogical models are politically influenced (do you teach to the bottom of the class to make sure everyone has the same basic proficiency? do you just teach your curriculum and let floundering students keep on floundering?) In French class, choosing which articles and stories to talk about by default will always contain some bias and some awareness of a larger politicized world. My spouse does focus on media with more black and brown people in it; her school district is ~90% white, and she considers it part of her job to prepare her students for interacting with more diversity after they graduate. This is a political choice, and she is aware of the consequences of that choice.
All the teachers I know are extremely, extremely vigilant around trying not to overtly politicize their classrooms, because all the teachers I know have a strong sense of idealism, a strong value in their content area, and a lot of pride in their ability to teach their subject. And because they are acutely aware that if they leave a tiny bit of flesh on the bone that might reveal some left-leaning bias, they are going to be targeted by a group of litigious parents with a lot of time on their hands, and no teacher I know ever wants to participate in a prolonged conversation with parents in their free time to defend themselves against allegations of bias.
For some additional context, my spouse has been informed by administration that she is likely on a 'list' going around a certain group of parents and will likely be targeted professionally in some capacity in the coming years. Pictures of the doors of particular teachers' classrooms have been posted on social media by parents with threatening, violent language. An image of a left-leaning school board member in crosshairs was put up just outside the entrance to the school administration's building, proudly erected by one of this group's self-proclaimed leaders. This group of parents has so far failed to elect a single school board member that they have supported, despite claiming to speak for the silent majority of parents in the district.
tl;dr: parents are crazy, no idea what kind of teacher will willingly jeopardize their precious free time to indoctrinate students. They are mostly just trying to get get through the school day
Sorry you have to deal with that excrement. My mom was a 2nd grade teacher. Even aside from harassment like that, I don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher. One of the most important jobs in our society and we kick them in the balls and excrement on them every chance we get.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
Sorry you have to deal with that excrement. My mom was a 2nd grade teacher. Even aside from harassment like that, I don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher. One of the most important jobs in our society and we kick them in the balls and excrement on them every chance we get.
One of the most important in theory.
But in the United States these fuckers just read off the god damn slides given to them by the text book manufacturers
(this isn't a rant about political bias of teachers)
I think they just do a excrement job actually teaching
Not that I remember HS but I can certainly speak for college professors sucking
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
One of the most important in theory.You are generalizing. Forced standardization of learning has also taken away teaching freedom over the years.
But in the United States these fuckers just read off the god damn slides given to them by the text book manufacturers
(this isn't a rant about political bias of teachers)
I think they just do a excrement job actually teaching
Not that I remember HS but I can certainly speak for college professors sucking
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2021, 04:00:28 PM
Sorry you have to deal with that excrement. My mom was a 2nd grade teacher. Even aside from harassment like that, I don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher. One of the most important jobs in our society and we kick them in the balls and excrement on them every chance we get.I was somewhat interested in becoming a teacher when I was a kid but was discouraged by 2 things: having to deal with parents and having to assign/grade homework.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2021, 04:13:29 PM
You are generalizing. Forced standardization of learning has also taken away teaching freedom over the years.
It is a generalization and anecdotal.
But the data on how shitty/stupid kids have become is well documented.
Debate the placement of blame will never be agreed upon
Post by: delavan on October 27, 2021, 07:19:29 PM
That said, a few 'colored comments' shoehorned in below.
I know I've posted stuff like this before, but a few recent examples from my personal life that I think of whenever I hear conversations like this:
1. My spouse is a middle school foreign language teacher, a relatively high ranking union rep, and one of the advisors of the school's lgbt+ club. She was recently moved to a portable classroom which was put up at the last minute because of a labor shortage, her usual school-provided US flag wasn't hanging for the first week of school. But she decorated her classroom as much as she could, and put up a pride flag that included black/brown stripes on the wall for her club. While recognizing Mrs. On's reciting the pledge record (in bold below), since she was going the "as much as she could" extra mile why not simply include an American flag as well? The optics whether fair or not are going to read to the more reactionary types as "in lieu of" and the resulting tempest imho could've been avoidable altogether. A simple goose/gander applied here would've nipped that in the bud. A few days into the school year, the principal of the school received a call from a concerned parent that she is forcing the students to pledge allegiance to the "gay, black lives matter flag" and that as a Christian and taxpayer, they find this deeply unsettling and want an explanation.
She has always stood at the front of the classroom and recited the pledge of allegiance to the US flag every morning for the past eight years, and has explicitly invited but not demanded her class do the same. She ended up spending over an hour on the phone with this parent for a conversation I got the privilege of hearing one side of explaining that no one is ever forced to pledge allegiance to any flag in her classroom, but she invites all students to make the traditional pledge to the American flag if they want to and are comfortable doing
2. In teaching a foreign language, she often goes over relevant news articles to try to increase engagement. On George Floyd's birthday, she spent the warmup discussion talking attempting to engage her class about why he was in the news again. She has a strong belief in two things in this exercise: if students care enough about a topic to talk about it in the target language, it's a great thing for language acquisition, and she really tries to get students to express different ideas so they can have an easy, low-stakes place to start to think critically, communicate respectfully, and hear each other's thoughts. A couple days later, she receives a long, rambling email from a different parent accusing her of indoctrinating their child, bringing up George Floyd's various criminal offenses, accusing her of 'failing' the child because of their family's political beliefs, and saying that they have to have a several hour conversation every night to discuss what has happened in French class (the kid is doing fine in class, and has told my spouse how much he French - she is generally pretty popular with the kids). A parent particularly an emotionally engaged parent is probably not going to be very succinct but instead prone to run-on sentences, etc., which is probably their way of emphasizing or reenforcing points most important to them (however clumsily expressed). As for the "current events" discussion, fwiw, here were the news headlines from Oct. 14, 2020 (Geo. Floyd's birthday) courtesy of the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todaysheadlines/2020/10/14/todays-headlines
She ends up meeting with her principal and drafting an email with the support of admin and another teacher to try to communicate that the child is doing well, how proud she is of the child for engaging in class every day, that she takes this feedback seriously, and that they are doing what they can to keep the kids engaged with a focus on language acquisition and communication, which are some of the main state standards they are focusing on in this class.
Additionally, there have been lawsuits for access to all school district emails and records containing the possibility of evidence that the district is using taxpayer money to fund CRT ideology in the district (as well as a similar lawsuit alleging the district was intentionally sabotaging efforts to have kids in school full time last year) The school has apparently spent significantly more of that taxpayer money hiring lawyers to defend themselves than budgeted, leading to budget shortcoming in other areas. Why not a simple "FOIL" (freedom of information act) request which would've avoided costly, needless lawsuits?
That said she seems over and above the teachers I had....tru dat.
Post by: ons on October 27, 2021, 08:15:29 PM
Per your TL;DR summation: yes patents are crazy, unreasonably crazy, and why the landscape's littered with former Little League umps who've quit.
Haha, I really appreciate you actually taking the time to read it and comment - I realize the irony of complaining about rambling emails in the context of the post.
As for the American flag - she was using mostly free/already purchased materials since they didn't have access to their classrooms until a day or two before class started, the district had already told teachers American flags would be arriving later, and my partner typically only spends her own money on primary resources in French. (there has also been a subsequent issue with the superintendent declaring that covering over 25% of the walls is a fire hazard, which means the pride flag is now down because the only wall space they are 'allowed' to use is occupied by white boards and high-frequency-word charts - American flag is still up, of course)
As for the NYT headlines on George Floyd's birthday, yes, there are absolutely a huge amount of other topics she could have chosen to talk about, but letting kids have nonstructured discussions in the target language requires the kids to have some thoughts about the subject, and touch points like George Floyd actually generate conversation.
As far as I understand, there have been multiple FOAA requests (Maine state version of FOI), for which a lawyer was paid to parse exactly what information was needed to collect and distribute, and then there were two subsequent lawsuits after the parents determined what they gathered from the FOAA requests weren't adequate.
Post by: ons on October 27, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
Sorry you have to deal with that excrement. My mom was a 2nd grade teacher. Even aside from harassment like that, I don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher. One of the most important jobs in our society and we kick them in the balls and excrement on them every chance we get.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
DCM - I kind of agree, actually, hardworking teachers tend to burn out really quickly due to a lack of administrative support, and lazy teachers tend to get by because of a lack of administrative oversight. Of course, my answer is that schools need way more funding to provide actual professional development and ongoing teacher training, and there needs to be a culture shift toward a more collaborative and education-focused relationship between admin and teaching staff.
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2021, 08:22:39 PM
It is a generalization and anecdotal.
But the data on how shitty/stupid kids have become is well documented.
Debate the placement of blame will never be agreed upon
So you're looking at data showing that kids are becoming increasingly shitty and stupid, and your conclusion is that it's the fault of the teachers? Please show your working.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2021, 09:03:38 PM
So you're looking at data showing that kids are becoming increasingly shitty and stupid, and your conclusion is that it's the fault of the teachers? Please show your working.
I didn't say it's the fault of teachers, though I did give one very specific example of the reliance on teachers relying on universally prepared content (which I understand, to a degree)
I'm a strong believer that the overwhelming vast majority of problems in all things is usually system problems and the education system is no exception.
But because problems are happening at a systems level doesn't mean that many teachers aren't doing a excrement job.
Here's a horrifying statistic
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According to the U.S. Department of Education, 54% of U.S. adults 16-74 years old - about 130 million people - lack proficiency in literacy, reading below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level.
Though for something that bad hell I think you have to go past looking at the education field and start checking the US water supply for freaking lead or something
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2021, 09:14:35 PM
Thanks, I appreciate it.
DCM - I kind of agree, actually, hardworking teachers tend to burn out really quickly due to a lack of administrative support, and lazy teachers tend to get by because of a lack of administrative oversight. Of course, my answer is that schools need way more funding to provide actual professional development and ongoing teacher training, and there needs to be a culture shift toward a more collaborative and education-focused relationship between admin and teaching staff.
I'm past the simplified mindset of blaming big teachers unions or politicians and all of that nonsense. I think as a nation this is an area we will continue to seriously fail at, and I have no freaking idea what the solution is. But I do believe that culture is among if not the biggest part of the problem
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 06:50:02 AM
But the data on how shitty/stupid kids have become is well documented.
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Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 07:01:35 AM
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2021, 12:14:43 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2021, 12:30:40 PM
I know I've posted stuff like this before, but a few recent examples from my personal life that I think of whenever I hear conversations like this:
1. My spouse is a middle school foreign language teacher, a relatively high ranking union rep, and one of the advisors of the school's lgbt+ club. She was recently moved to a portable classroom which was put up at the last minute because of a labor shortage, her usual school-provided US flag wasn't hanging for the first week of school. But she decorated her classroom as much as she could, and put up a pride flag that included black/brown stripes on the wall for her club. A few days into the school year, the principal of the school received a call from a concerned parent that she is forcing the students to pledge allegiance to the "gay, black lives matter flag" and that as a Christian and taxpayer, they find this deeply unsettling and want an explanation.
She has always stood at the front of the classroom and recited the pledge of allegiance to the US flag every morning for the past eight years, and has explicitly invited but not demanded her class do the same. She ended up spending over an hour on the phone with this parent for a conversation I got the privilege of hearing one side of explaining that no one is ever forced to pledge allegiance to any flag in her classroom, but she invites all students to make the traditional pledge to the American flag if they want to and are comfortable doing so. Parent conceded, ranted for a long time about not wanting to be appear homophobic, but is really concerned by public schools promoting sinful behavior, and suggested she will be closely scrutinizing the curriculum to make sure her son isn't being targeted for his beliefs.
2. In teaching a foreign language, she often goes over relevant news articles to try to increase engagement. On George Floyd's birthday, she spent the warmup discussion talking attempting to engage her class about why he was in the news again. She has a strong belief in two things in this exercise: if students care enough about a topic to talk about it in the target language, it's a great thing for language acquisition, and she really tries to get students to express different ideas so they can have an easy, low-stakes place to start to think critically, communicate respectfully, and hear each other's thoughts. A couple days later, she receives a long, rambling email from a different parent accusing her of indoctrinating their child, bringing up George Floyd's various criminal offenses, accusing her of 'failing' the child because of their family's political beliefs, and saying that they have to have a several hour conversation every night to discuss what has happened in French class (the kid is doing fine in class, and has told my spouse how much he French - she is generally pretty popular with the kids). She ends up meeting with her principal and drafting an email with the support of admin and another teacher to try to communicate that the child is doing well, how proud she is of the child for engaging in class every day, that she takes this feedback seriously, and that they are doing what they can to keep the kids engaged with a focus on language acquisition and communication, which are some of the main state standards they are focusing on in this class.
Additionally, there have been lawsuits for access to all school district emails and records containing the possibility of evidence that the district is using taxpayer money to fund CRT ideology in the district (as well as a similar lawsuit alleging the district was intentionally sabotaging efforts to have kids in school full time last year) The school has apparently spent significantly more of that taxpayer money hiring lawyers to defend themselves than budgeted, leading to budget shortcoming in other areas.
Which is all to say, I'm sure there are plenty of examples of parents finding horrific indoctrination and overt ideology in public schools. And it is definitely true that all choices that a teacher makes regarding what they teach and how they teach it are somewhat political, so there is almost no way to teach in a truly 'value-neutral' way. Even in subjects like math, different pedagogical models are politically influenced (do you teach to the bottom of the class to make sure everyone has the same basic proficiency? do you just teach your curriculum and let floundering students keep on floundering?) In French class, choosing which articles and stories to talk about by default will always contain some bias and some awareness of a larger politicized world. My spouse does focus on media with more black and brown people in it; her school district is ~90% white, and she considers it part of her job to prepare her students for interacting with more diversity after they graduate. This is a political choice, and she is aware of the consequences of that choice.
All the teachers I know are extremely, extremely vigilant around trying not to overtly politicize their classrooms, because all the teachers I know have a strong sense of idealism, a strong value in their content area, and a lot of pride in their ability to teach their subject. And because they are acutely aware that if they leave a tiny bit of flesh on the bone that might reveal some left-leaning bias, they are going to be targeted by a group of litigious parents with a lot of time on their hands, and no teacher I know ever wants to participate in a prolonged conversation with parents in their free time to defend themselves against allegations of bias.
For some additional context, my spouse has been informed by administration that she is likely on a 'list' going around a certain group of parents and will likely be targeted professionally in some capacity in the coming years. Pictures of the doors of particular teachers' classrooms have been posted on social media by parents with threatening, violent language. An image of a left-leaning school board member in crosshairs was put up just outside the entrance to the school administration's building, proudly erected by one of this group's self-proclaimed leaders. This group of parents has so far failed to elect a single school board member that they have supported, despite claiming to speak for the silent majority of parents in the district.
tl;dr: parents are crazy, no idea what kind of teacher will willingly jeopardize their precious free time to indoctrinate students. They are mostly just trying to get get through the school day
Good post and why I wouldn't want to be a teacher and why I quit coaching hockey a long time ago.
Post by: ons on November 01, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
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Via: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker?gclid=CjwKCAjwoP6LBhBlEiwAvCcthNQeF-88ojbpHMqr7xy-6MdTBtQJGyZ6ehyaZtHUaSfx4XZJ7WCCtBoCbh8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Apparently lot of states, including big ones like California, Texas, and Florida, have so far have seemingly significantly underreported covid deaths from summer 2021, by upwards of thousands a week. The numbers of this pandemic are still hard to parse, but excess death is this country over the past two years has been pretty horrific.
In terms of potentially underreported stories, Russia is probably the biggest country that has been hit hardest by covid. Despite a population less than half of the US, it has almost the same number of excess deaths, and over double the US's excess deaths in terms of a proportion of the population. However, it seems like it's severely underreported covid, with only around a quarter of those deaths officially classified as covid related. And they still have a terrifyingly low vaccination rate, with cases rising aggressively again this fall and a nation-wide stay-at-home order just instituted. Scary stuff over there.
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2021, 06:06:21 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2021, 09:40:45 AM
Puck will be interested since HIV is involved. #2birds1stone
Post by: Miamipuck on November 05, 2021, 09:44:10 AM
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1456573839329185807?s=20
Puck will be interested since HIV is involved. #2birds1stone
You're the only HIV positive guy I know.
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
You're the only HIV positive guy I know.
you're the patient zero ape that started it all. You and Liberace.
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2021, 06:59:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1456740881399263232?t=43rUYZLMNHv6oKjbJd-sdw&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 07:54:54 PM
The gommunists have taken over Newsmax
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1456740881399263232?t=43rUYZLMNHv6oKjbJd-sdw&s=19
I'm kind of surprised by this, but once I Googled the networth of Newsmax and realized it's only 3 million dollars and change that explains everything.
I know some other conservative sites with big money are taking it to court (I believe the daily wire has been pretty aggressive using the mandate as a marketing tool to drum up followers).
But if I remember correctly the penalty for each incident accidentally not following the mandate was like 10-15k and deliberately was around 150k?
Of course everything I've read suggests this will likely get defeated by the Supreme Court, but of course we know that excrement can take forever so I could easily see smaller companies going bankrupt
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2021, 08:16:47 PM
The gommunists have taken over Newsmax
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1456740881399263232?t=43rUYZLMNHv6oKjbJd-sdw&s=19
The true patriots of OAN would never
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2021, 07:48:18 AM
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2021, 07:38:41 PM
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1457118316032663560?t=UbcXuILnIVMO6g4jU7MbFg&s=19
Post by: delavan on November 07, 2021, 03:05:23 PM
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1456573839329185807?s=20
Puck will be interested since HIV is involved. #2birds1stone
You're the only HIV positive guy I know.
you're the patient zero ape that started it all. You and Liberace.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mA1UI3Pa949n0EiKWb/giphy.gif)
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 08, 2021, 08:00:39 AM
Tex Cruz calls other people snowflakes.
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1456709897874251779?t=KyXX07MuF_2pBPJb3widtw&s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2021, 11:35:44 AM
EmbarrassingWe won!
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1456709897874251779?t=KyXX07MuF_2pBPJb3widtw&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on November 08, 2021, 04:43:17 PM
But the excrement in Korea wouldn't fly in any western country
Mandating businesses to scan you in with QR codes and stores being allowed to catalog everyone who enters and excrement.
This violates so many principles of American freedom.
And I don't mean this freaking stupid my body my choice, I'm not getting vaccinated nonsense
Post by: delavan on November 08, 2021, 07:47:44 PM
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-nba-covid-19-20211108.html
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2021, 07:53:47 AM
This violates so many principles of American freedom.
The treats must flow
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2021, 09:32:47 AM
The treats must flow
Halloween is over
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2021, 09:39:30 AM
Halloween is over
take your mask off then
#BoomRoasted
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2021, 09:53:30 AM
Halloween is overIt's a reference to the very vocal subset of inflation panickers upset about their treat prices going up, you ought to appreciate mocking them
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2021, 02:56:47 PM
take your mask off then
#BoomRoasted
Bro this is a covid thread. That's highly insensitive of you
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2021, 03:11:16 PM
😐
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2021, 09:58:23 AM
Classic
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2021, 02:01:53 PM
https://twitter.com/rightwingcope/status/1458441643598692363?s=21
Classic
The comments basically tear apart everything the OP said.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 10, 2021, 02:11:49 PM
The comments basically tear apart everything the OP said.
https://twitter.com/derelicte09/status/1458492404798050311?s=20 (https://twitter.com/derelicte09/status/1458492404798050311?s=20)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2021, 02:43:50 PM
The comments basically tear apart everything the OP said.
Show me 1
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2021, 06:45:28 PM
Show me 1
Half a Goon and Half a God
@derelicte09
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2h
So what I’ve gathered is that press is considered visiting employees and are not subject to the same protocols just like how visiting road teams are able to play in New York. I’m guessing a negative test would suffice but Candace would have to be vaccinated.
Richard "The Tech Daddy" Irwin 🦅
@rirwinjr
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10h
Replying to
@RightWingCope
More than likely she's claiming a health exemption and showed a negative test.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2021, 06:47:12 PM
It's like the freaking media speculating "Well Aaron Rodgers must be vaccinated, he hasn't been following any of the nfl protocols the last 4 freaking months"
I don't like CO at all whatsoever. But this seems nonsensical
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2021, 08:59:00 PM
Half a Goon and Half a God
@derelicte09
·
2h
So what I’ve gathered is that press is considered visiting employees and are not subject to the same protocols just like how visiting road teams are able to play in New York. I’m guessing a negative test would suffice but Candace would have to be vaccinated.
Richard "The Tech Daddy" Irwin
@rirwinjr
·
10h
Replying to
@RightWingCope
More than likely she's claiming a health exemption and showed a negative test.
https://twitter.com/brickstopaint/status/1458460543749173255?s=21
Stop cherry-picking and read the replies to the comments you posted. You needed proof of vax to get into this event, period
“Comments tear apart the OP”
GTFO of here sometimes it feels like you’re trying too hard to be this dumb
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2021, 09:01:29 PM
They made this guy get vaxxed but somehow Candace grifted her way in
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2021, 10:58:07 PM
https://twitter.com/brickstopaint/status/1458460543749173255?s=21
Stop cherry-picking and read the replies to the comments you posted. You needed proof of vax to get into this event, period
“Comments tear apart the OP”
GTFO of here sometimes it feels like you’re trying too hard to be this dumb
I'm suggesting that it's literally some random freaking kids on Twitter that are speculating.
It's totally fair to speculate, but the Aaron Rodgers story shows you all you need to know. That if you're famous or rich you can easily get around any rules and regulations. If there was a source or some legitimate evidence that's one thing. But this is freaking incarcerated Bob style tabloid excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2021, 09:22:06 AM
I'm suggesting that it's literally some random freaking kids on Twitter that are speculating.
It's totally fair to speculate, but the Aaron Rodgers story shows you all you need to know. That if you're famous or rich you can easily get around any rules and regulations. If there was a source or some legitimate evidence that's one thing. But this is freaking incarcerated Bob style tabloid excrement
Tell that to Kyrie Irving
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2021, 09:24:43 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/candace-owens-spotted-ufc-new-york-event-where-vaccinations-required-1648288
But White told unvaccinated UFC fans: "I'm going to be putting on 44 other events around the country. You can go to one of those shows."
Emergency executive order 225 requires COVID-19 vaccinations for indoor entertainment, recreation, dining and fitness settings and has been in effect since September 13. Indoor stadiums are covered by the emergency executive order.
People and venues that violate the order are subjected to be fined no less than $1,000, which can increase to a penalty of no less than $5,000 following multiple offenses.
Ahead of the event, UFC President Dana White had railed against New York City's vaccine mandate for employees working there during an interview on Fox News.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2021, 09:25:06 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 04:56:20 PM
Definitive proof Rodgers is vaccinated against Covid-19
NFL COVID vaccine rulesQuoteBut White told unvaccinated UFC fans: "I'm going to be putting on 44 other events around the country. You can go to one of those shows."
Emergency executive order 225 requires COVID-19 vaccinations for indoor entertainment, recreation, dining and fitness settings and has been in effect since September 13. Indoor stadiums are covered by the emergency executive order.
People and venues that violate the order are subjected to be fined no less than $1,000, which can increase to a penalty of no less than $5,000 following multiple offenses.
Ahead of the event, UFC President Dana White had railed against New York City's vaccine mandate for employees working there during an interview on Fox News.
FL NEWS
Heading into the 2021 NFL season, the league's COVID protocols for unvaccinated players remain largely the same as they were in 2020. Vaccinated players still have to deal with the protocols, but only if they test positive for the virus.
Below is everything you need to know about the NFL's COVID protocols for vaccinated and unvaccinated players and how it could impact the 2021 NFL season.
MORE: Full NFL schedule for the 2021 season
Here is the NFL's COVID protocol for vaccinated players, according to the NFL:
Vaccinated individuals who test positive and are asymptomatic will be isolated and contact tracing will promptly occur.
The positive individual will be permitted to return to duty after two negative tests at least 24-hours apart.
After that, they will be tested every week or as directed by the medical staffs.
Vaccinated individuals will not be subject to quarantine as a result of close contact with an infected person.
The main difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated players is that vaccinated players don't have to worry about being a "high-risk" close contact at any point. They also have more freedom to participate in activities than their unvaccinated counterparts. Vaccinated players can go out on the road and more easily spend time with teammates outside the facility, among other perks.
What is NFL's COVID protocol for unvaccinated players?
The NFL's COVID protocols are stricter than those for vaccinated players. They are as follows, per the NFL:
If an unvaccinated person tests positive, the protocols from 2020 will remain in effect. The person will be isolated for a period of 10 days and will then be permitted to return to duty if asymptomatic.
Unvaccinated individuals will continue to be subject to a five-day quarantine period if they have close contact with an infected individual.
Unvaccinated players also have more procedures they must follow to avoid falling into COVID protocol. They include the following:
Unvaccinated individuals must be tested for COVID every day at the team facility. If a player misses even one day of testing, they will be required to test negative for COVID for five straight days before re-entering the facility. That's what happened to Cam Newton before the final week of the Patriots' preseason.
Unvaccinated free agents must also test negative for five consecutive days before being allowed to enter a team facility.
Unvaccinated players must wear masks at all times in the facility. They cannot gather in groups larger than three players and on the road "are prohibited from congregating, visiting or mingling with individuals outside of the traveling party once they have arrived in the game city."
Unvaccinated individuals are subject to fines if they break COVID protocols. This can include anything from failing to wear a mask in the facility or going to an indoor concert or house party with more than 15 people.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2021, 06:42:16 AM
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/maori-tribe-tells-anti-vaxxers-stop-using-haka-2313571
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 16, 2021, 01:40:48 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 16, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2021, 07:09:55 AM
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The false claim about the funding for the beagle study, research that was conducted in Tunisia, originated with an error by scientists. Initially, the researchers mistakenly listed NIAID as a funder when they published a paper in a scientific journal in late July. The journal issued a correction Oct. 26, when the agency flagged the mistake to the researchers amid the deluge of angry phone calls.
But by Oct. 28, “Fauci’’ and “puppies” had been posted online, shared or responded to 375,000 times in five days, resulting in potentially billions of views, according to Jeff Yang, a research director at the Institute for the Future, a California-based nonprofit, who studies the flow of information online. Donald Trump Jr. was selling “Fauci Kills Puppies” T-shirts and hoodies. #FauciLiedDogsDied was trending on Twitter. Far-right platforms such as 8kun were awash in memes casting Fauci as a mad, puppy-killing scientist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/11/19/fauci-beagle-white-coat-waste/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/11/19/fauci-beagle-white-coat-waste/)
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2021, 10:03:27 AM
Turns out that NIAID funding beagle experiments piece was bullshit.Don't worry, I'm sure the Facebook uncles are working swiftly to correct this misinformation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/11/19/fauci-beagle-white-coat-waste/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/11/19/fauci-beagle-white-coat-waste/)
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2021, 04:57:29 PM
Post by: reuben on November 24, 2021, 05:07:08 PM
Well, my mom just tested positive for covid for the 2nd time this year, so she and dad aren't coming to Thanksgiving. Last time she was asymptomatic, this time she's feeling it.
Bummer man, sorry to hear it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 24, 2021, 05:15:39 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 05:28:51 PM
Well, my mom just tested positive for covid for the 2nd time this year, so she and dad aren't coming to Thanksgiving. Last time she was asymptomatic, this time she's feeling it.Oh no...I hope mama Badger feels better soon.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 24, 2021, 08:03:04 PM
Well, my mom just tested positive for covid for the 2nd time this year, so she and dad aren't coming to Thanksgiving. Last time she was asymptomatic, this time she's feeling it.
dammit
fvck covid
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2021, 08:17:56 PM
Mrs E had her booster shot yesterday afternoon. First two didn't do much more than make her sleepy for the rest of the day, but this one is kicking her derriere really badly.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 08:55:19 PM
Sorry to hear that Badge, hopefully she's OK.
Mrs E had her booster shot yesterday afternoon. First two didn't do much more than make her sleepy for the rest of the day, but this one is kicking her derriere really badly.
Oddly enough when I got the booster it didn't do much. But when I got my flu shot about a month later I got the worst localized reaction to a vaccine I've ever had.
I do wonder if there's some correlation between getting a flu shot close ish to the booster
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2021, 09:00:48 PM
Oddly enough when I got the booster it didn't do much. But when I got my flu shot about a month later I got the worst localized reaction to a vaccine I've ever had.
I do wonder if there's some correlation between getting a flu shot close ish to the booster
I probably know about as much about medicine as you know about English Championship soccer, but if I had to guess I would wonder if the antibodies produced to combat the flu are similar to those that combat covid given the similarities between the two viruses, and thus your immune system already being in battle mode as a result of your booster meant that the flu reaction to the flu shot was more extreme.
On a related note, I'm actually going to get a flu shot this year. Never have before, but I guess like many I've become much more educated as to the societal responsibility of getting vaccinated.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2021, 09:01:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 10:34:29 PM
I probably know about as much about medicine as you know about English Championship soccer, but if I had to guess I would wonder if the antibodies produced to combat the flu are similar to those that combat covid given the similarities between the two viruses, and thus your immune system already being in battle mode as a result of your booster meant that the flu reaction to the flu shot was more extreme.
On a related note, I'm actually going to get a flu shot this year. Never have before, but I guess like many I've become much more educated as to the societal responsibility of getting vaccinated.
I don't think it's like that. Molecular bullshit isn't something I'm remotely interested in but the big deal with the covid vaccine was that it doesn't so much work to fight the disease as it does interfering with the unique "spike" proteins on the surface. While the flu shot is more traditional vaccine. I think it has something to do with cytokines and inflammatory bullshit along with some other big words
My guess is whatever the reason, this is why vaccines are usually spread out and people don't typically get different vaccines sequentially in a short period of time
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2021, 07:02:32 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 25, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/b-1-1-529-new-covid-variant-evade-immunity-countries-cases-south-africa-1653257Well...we had a good run
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2021, 10:06:35 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/25/who-calls-special-meeting-to-discuss-new-covid-variant-from-south-africa-with-large-number-of-mutations.html
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2021, 10:55:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2021, 06:27:28 AM
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2021, 11:28:26 AM
Only a matter of hours before idiots start claiming it was engineered by scientists.I betcha a quart of liberty noodles that the SEE SEE PEE was behind it
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2021, 01:05:43 PM
Here we go again
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2021, 02:35:47 PM
White Supremacist Joe Biden has enacted new travel restrictions to several countries in Africa
If he didn't, he would have gotten bashed by the same people that hate him. We certainly aren't the only country doing the same thing. Probably more of a short-term appeasement thing, basically the safe move. It won't do any good regarding spread of this variant because it's probably already here. If it isn't, it will be from some other country that isn't banned from travel here. A few epidemiologists mentioned that it may deter other countries from coming forward about findings in the future for fear of being ostracized financially.
I know the buck stops with the president, but honestly he's just doing what the CDC tells him to do with regard to this. It's not like he thought this idea up himself.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
I acknowledge that Trump acting like a freaking retard is why he gets that criticism, but it's amusing to see Biden a year later banning people from Africa
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 26, 2021, 03:09:12 PM
Post by: delavan on November 26, 2021, 04:18:24 PM
Well, my mom just tested positive for covid for the 2nd time this year, so she and dad aren't coming to Thanksgiving. Last time she was asymptomatic, this time she's feeling it.Just saw this - trust she'll be 'turning cartwheels 'cross the floor' in no time
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2021, 04:29:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2021, 05:05:08 PM
Things haven't gotten worse so I'm remaining optimistic. We just keep telling her she's not allowed to hang out on Long Island anymore.
Remdesivir is always an option.
Not quite as cool as having sex with a horse, but much more effective
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2021, 06:00:11 PM
Remdesivir is always an option.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211127/6b371d8ca2086fbc9aab7cc36543fe3e.gif)
Not quite as cool as having sex with a horse, but much more effective
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2021, 06:22:05 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2021, 07:52:08 AM
Got my 3x on Friday along with my flu shot. Wife got her 3x too. She's sick, but other than a really sore arm I'm fine. These microchips are awesome, but I thought there was a shortage?That's what the sheep say.
Post by: MBGreen on November 29, 2021, 07:52:49 AM
That's what the sheep say.Baaaa
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 12:40:04 PM
Quote
WASHINGTON –Today, in response to the administration’s announcement that they would be deferring suspensions and removals related to President Biden’s vaccine mandate until after the holiday season, American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO (AFGE) National President Everett Kelley released the following statement:
“The administration has done the right thing by listening to federal workers, taking their concerns seriously, and giving those who haven’t yet gotten vaccinated some peace of mind this holiday season.
“Once again, President Biden has demonstrated his commitment to hearing from rank-and-file federal employees through their unions and responding to workers’ concerns.
“While we applaud the policy that defers suspensions and removals, we continue to encourage all our members who are able to obtain one of the FDA-approved anti-COVID vaccines as soon as they possibly can.”
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2021, 12:43:15 PM
Also, I'm a little disappointed that Nu, the 13th letter of the Greek alphabet, didn't turn out to be a thing. There was a lot of fun to be had with Nu-Covid.
I wonder what they'll start calling variants once they run out of Greek letters? We've only got 9 left.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 12:52:53 PM
Omicron is the 15th letter in the Greek alphabet. Delta is the 4th. That means that unless I've not been paying attention, and I think I have, we've had 10 covid variants since the last major one that haven't made it onto the radar of the general unwashed.They skipped Nu exactly to avoid confusion/puns. They skipped Xi because too many boomers would have died ejaculating at the opportunity presented.
Also, I'm a little disappointed that Nu, the 13th letter of the Greek alphabet, didn't turn out to be a thing. There was a lot of fun to be had with Nu-Covid.
I wonder what they'll start calling variants once they run out of Greek letters? We've only got 9 left.
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2021, 01:20:52 PM
They skipped Nu exactly to avoid confusion/puns.
Terrible idea. They could have had Korn and Fred Durst promoting the vaccines off the back of it.... no wait, you're right. LB's comeback already happened and it was awful, Korn were no good first time round, and it might have encouraged Aaron Lewis to stop making drunken country music for angry hicks and try to talk to the youth again.
A rare piece of sound public policymaking then.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
Terrible idea. They could have had Korn and Fred Durst promoting the vaccines off the back of it.... no wait, you're right. LB's comeback already happened and it was awful, Korn were no good first time round, and it might have encouraged Aaron Lewis to stop making drunken country music for angry hicks and try to talk to the youth again.
A rare piece of sound public policymaking then.
Great post
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 02:42:08 PM
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 04:27:06 PM
https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1465412021902626817?t=5xBs5NY_OhTtS-ANVuRuxA&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2021, 06:06:40 PM
So true
https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1465412021902626817?t=5xBs5NY_OhTtS-ANVuRuxA&s=19
She is a fully fledged parody by this stage. Still hot though.
Sidenote, I only learned a short while back that she's banging Jays legend JP Arencibia.
Post by: delavan on November 29, 2021, 06:53:50 PM
She is a fully fledged parody by this stage. Still hot though.What does BJ legend JP Arencibia's career BA, NYC's area code and boiling water (F) have in common?
Sidenote, I only learned a short while back that she's banging Jays legend JP Arencibia.
hick takes 'n thick pegs neath a blonde bush
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Tomi_Lahren_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/316px-Tomi_Lahren_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg)
on-topic: while it's still early, some comments suggest that the latest variant while more easily transferrable may be less deadly (fingers crossed)
fauci's latest hubristic piece of bombast "I am science" was Barry Manilow-esque ("I am music - and I write the songs") embarrassing.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 10:33:39 PM
NYC's area code
4 of the boroughs would like to have a word.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 30, 2021, 05:02:44 PM
Quote
The Omicron variant has more than 50 mutations — with over 30 in the spike protein — enhancing the virus' ability to infect the body.
This is prob good right
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2021, 05:40:06 PM
This is prob good rightMakes it taste better.
Post by: delavan on November 30, 2021, 06:00:32 PM
context.....context....context....
4 of the boroughs would like to have a word.
Post by: Badger on November 30, 2021, 06:15:05 PM
This is prob good rightSounds like hype to me
Post by: Johnny English on November 30, 2021, 10:09:20 PM
This is prob good right
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-1st-data-about-vaccine-efficacy-against-omicron-expected-tuesday-687392
Post by: delavan on December 01, 2021, 08:14:22 AM
https://flaglerlive.com/167963/eisenhower-polio/
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
Intractable anti vaxxers may want to stop gargling iodine and learn from history, namely how a Republican president’s vaccine rollout program was successfully implemented minus the idiotic ideological brickbats of today
https://flaglerlive.com/167963/eisenhower-polio/
Pinko liberal, what with his infrastructure investments and his vaccination programs. Clearly he hated freedom and jobs and America.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
Pinko liberal, what with his infrastructure investments and his vaccination programs. Clearly he hated freedom and jobs and America.
Literal take from the John Birch Society.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2021, 12:46:46 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2021, 12:57:10 PM
1st case of Omicron in California. Not a surprise it's here, probably has been.
Patient traveled to South Aftica.
Post by: delavan on December 01, 2021, 01:30:29 PM
Pinko liberal, what with his infrastructure investments and his vaccination programs. Clearly he hated freedom and jobs and America.And 'I-like-Ike' favoured puckish (if heavy-handed) sarcasm as well ; )
The 'I' in Interstate (e.g. I-95) should be extended to 'IKE-95' and so on.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2021, 03:07:32 PM
1st case of Omicron in California. Not a surprise it's here, probably has been.
Stock market was pretty surprised by it.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2021, 03:12:15 PM
Stock market was pretty surprised by it.
Eh, they will unsurprise at some point.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2021, 03:25:44 PM
Eh, they will unsurprise at some point.
That usually happens after the surprise
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 02, 2021, 05:24:40 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 02, 2021, 05:55:37 PM
https://twitter.com/j__velasquez/status/1466546619692716033?s=21
I heard they're going to quarantine them in nursing homes
Post by: Badger on December 02, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/nyc-anime-convention-attendee-tests-positive-omicron-variant
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 02, 2021, 07:03:05 PM
Damn nerds
https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/nyc-anime-convention-attendee-tests-positive-omicron-variant
My youngest kid was there and just had to get tested along with a bunch of his classmates that he went with. Came back clean, fortunately.
Also, the governor has said there are 4 confirmed cases in NY. It's been here since before Thanksgiving.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 02, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
Damn nerds
https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/nyc-anime-convention-attendee-tests-positive-omicron-variant
AOC was right. Anime is freaking dangerous
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2021, 11:52:34 AM
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1466239104832708615?t=f7hGCfUrUjeyoNeiN23tnQ&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 03, 2021, 01:09:44 PM
This was coming post-Thanksgiving regardless of Omicron
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1466239104832708615?t=f7hGCfUrUjeyoNeiN23tnQ&s=19
Cases are spiking here too. It was fine during the summer and now almost every town is in the “red” zone.
Post by: Johnny English on December 03, 2021, 07:34:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2021, 04:30:05 PM
Elite ratio
Post by: Badger on December 04, 2021, 10:02:03 PM
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1467138576697724932?s=21Never seen one like it at that high a volume before.
Elite ratio
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2021, 09:20:24 AM
Never seen one like it at that high a volume before.
To be fair, it’s probably the dumbest freaking thing I’ve ever read. And I spend a lot of time on this message board
Post by: reuben on December 05, 2021, 11:41:03 AM
Post by: Badger on December 06, 2021, 08:05:55 AM
https://twitter.com/patkiernan/status/1467856949001834505?t=M86b4lnzUiI_XJ-tGuMkbg&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2021, 06:36:43 PM
https://twitter.com/mkarolian/status/1467959999645298697?s=21
Yeah, about those UK tests. Have you actually paid any attention to them? They're hopeless. They're a Conservative boondoggle - pay your buddies millions in public money to send out shitty tests that don't work and stop the NHS from administering the ones that do.
I have several friends who have repeatedly tested negative on the home tests when symptomatic, then spent a bunch of money at a pharmacy to get a PCR which tests positive. But hey, free government test says negative so worker drone go work and make businessman wealthy, right?
Using the UK as an example of anything positive to do with covid response is a demonstration of bias or ignorance.
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2021, 07:07:12 AM
Yeah, about those UK tests. Have you actually paid any attention to them? They're hopeless. They're a Conservative boondoggle - pay your buddies millions in public money to send out shitty tests that don't work and stop the NHS from administering the ones that do.https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1468811932434059264?t=bN3bBo6A5M4GkD2odNuH0Q&s=19
I have several friends who have repeatedly tested negative on the home tests when symptomatic, then spent a bunch of money at a pharmacy to get a PCR which tests positive. But hey, free government test says negative so worker drone go work and make businessman wealthy, right?
Using the UK as an example of anything positive to do with covid response is a demonstration of bias or ignorance.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 09, 2021, 07:25:03 AM
I feel reassured
Post by: MBGreen on December 09, 2021, 07:32:21 AM
The people who can't manage free Covid-19 tests think they can manage free Healthcare for all
I feel reassured
Operation Horsefly will take care of this
Post by: bojanglesman on December 09, 2021, 07:55:07 AM
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
The people who can't manage free Covid-19 tests think they can manage free Healthcare for allIf there was some sort of colorblindness but for political ideology I think you'd have it.
I feel reassured
Who in the Biden administration is advocating for M4A?
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
If there was some sort of colorblindness but for political ideology I think you'd have it.
Who in the Biden administration is advocating for M4A?
I think he's ignoring facts in order to take a general lazy shot at the idea of socialised healthcare, rather than it being a specific point about the current administration.
#justdcmthings
Post by: delavan on December 09, 2021, 08:48:30 AM
https://twitter.com/mkarolian/status/1467959999645298697?s=21^ Sanguine snot
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Thegingersnapsfilmposter.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 09, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
Warning: you WILL get AIDS from watching this. You have been warned.
Dont do it
Post by: Johnny English on December 09, 2021, 02:18:54 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 09, 2021, 02:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/jimmytraina/status/1468981212169523211?s=21
Warning: you WILL get AIDS from watching this. You have been warned.
Dont do it
I have AIDS
Post by: Badger on December 10, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1469125781532123140?t=lYmuJ7NHldORbreRjnpcqA&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2021, 08:45:07 AM
Attn dcm
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1469125781532123140?t=lYmuJ7NHldORbreRjnpcqA&s=19
Is it wrong that my first thought was to be amused about the HAAS advocates will right now be twisting this into some kind of victimhood message?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 10, 2021, 10:07:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2021, 10:24:17 AM
I'm bored
Post by: Badger on December 10, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
https://twitter.com/gfrobot/status/1468646030572810242?s=21This is my second biggest L to mandates after Kyrie
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 10, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
I've been wearing a mask at work non-stop, even triple-vaxxed.
Post by: delavan on December 10, 2021, 01:25:58 PM
https://twitter.com/jimmytraina/status/1468981212169523211?s=21*outside parking lot*
Warning: you WILL get AIDS from watching this. You have been warned.
Dont do it
Which car's hers?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Key_ring.jpg/240px-Key_ring.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 10, 2021, 01:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/gfrobot/status/1468646030572810242?s=21
LOL
Post by: dcm1602 on December 11, 2021, 02:21:05 AM
Attn dcm
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1469125781532123140?t=lYmuJ7NHldORbreRjnpcqA&s=19
Ivermectin and Lipo for everyone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2021, 11:51:53 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
https://twitter.com/suss2hyphens/status/1471172037485944836?s=21
Several things very obviously wrong with that particular image.
- No accounting for vaccinated population or for any given variant's penetration rate (unknown)
- Assumption that severe / moderate / mild / asymptomatic is a constant across variants
- Assumption that exposure is a constant across variants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2021, 12:21:13 PM
Several things very obviously wrong with that particular image.
- No accounting for vaccinated population or for any given variant's penetration rate (unknown)
- Assumption that severe / moderate / mild / asymptomatic is a constant across variants
- Assumption that exposure is a constant across variants
The concept is that Omicron is more transmissible and less severe. As you said you can’t account for any of your factors listed above.
All unproven theory as far as I’m aware. A few of the threads I linked push back on the severity theory
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2021, 12:29:09 PM
In conclusion: Idk
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2021, 12:29:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 12:38:09 PM
The concept is that Omicron is more transmissible and less severe. As you said you can’t account for any of your factors listed above.
All unproven theory as far as I’m aware. A few of the threads I linked push back on the severity theory
Yeah, it's all a bit unknown. The optimist in me says that a more transmissible, less severe variant displacing delta could be a good thing, but I don't really know that for sure. Our numbers are increasing exponentially here but our hospitalisations and ICU admissions are remaining completely flat so far, so I'm hopeful.
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
So should I be eating more horse paste, or less?
Based upon my extensive research, yes.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 15, 2021, 12:45:13 PM
Based upon my extensive research, yes.Confirmed. Also, whatever you use, it should go up the derriere.
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2021, 12:46:52 PM
Confirmed. Also, whatever you use, it should go up the derriere.Horsey sauce enema
Tailgate 2022
Post by: bojanglesman on December 15, 2021, 12:52:55 PM
Horsey sauce enemaWith Sortilege? Eh, I'll do it anyway.
Tailgate 2022
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
(https://imgbb.com/)
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Canada just issued an advisory against non-essential international travel until March.
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2021, 02:18:30 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/TMtpnRF/6-EF1-ED15-F239-4-A8-D-981-B-F9-B45-B0-E9492.png) (https://ibb.co/chQMpt7)Wtf is going on in the land of steady habits?
(https://imgbb.com/)
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Wtf is going on in the land of steady habits?
Andrew Cuomo is dropping bags of coronavirus into the air circulation systems of long term care homes
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2021, 02:24:15 PM
Andrew Cuomo is dropping bags of coronavirus into the air circulation systems of long term care homesPlausible
https://ctmirror.org/2021/08/03/lamont-calls-for-n-y-gov-andrew-cuomo-to-resign-immediately/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2021, 08:27:05 PM
Wtf is going on in the land of steady habits?
No idea but it’s definitely running rampant here. One of those situations where everyone knows 5-10 people/families that have it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2021, 08:33:01 PM
It was pretty freaking shitty, I did not have a mild case. Fatigue/Chills/Headache/Sore Throat were the worst symptoms. I never lost my smell or taste.
My 1 year old son got it near the end of my 10 day quarantine (I stayed and slept in the basement on an air mattress), either somehow from me or my wife’s brother who was the only person they saw within those 10 days. My son was off for about 2 days, red/watery eyes, tired, and stuffy nose that prevented him from breathing through it which drove him wild. He bounced right back though and was back to normal.
I was just about to get my Booster shot too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2021, 11:57:59 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2021, 01:22:55 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2021, 01:50:07 PM
I've felt like total excrement for the last 24 hours. Going to get a rapid test because although this could just be the cold or a flu, I share an office with someone who's pregnant and do not need that kind of uncertainty on my conscience.
I hope it's the flu.........lol. Feel better.
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2021, 06:15:47 PM
My flavor of choice
Post by: bojanglesman on December 16, 2021, 07:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1471208440223739910?t=O3BvR2PxRIQZvqlZnV0DuA&s=19I hear Arby's has a vaccine.
My flavor of choice
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2021, 10:04:28 PM
freak.
Going to city MD for the rapid and PCR tomorrow.
Post by: Johnny English on December 16, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
Home test came up positive.Why? If you have it you have it. Hunker down, ride it out. You're vaxxed, it might suck but you'll be OK.
freak.
Going to city MD for the rapid and PCR tomorrow.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2021, 11:04:42 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
Why? If you have it you have it. Hunker down, ride it out. You're vaxxed, it might suck but you'll be OK.
The only thing on a personal level dealing with myself specifically is I'm going to have to quarantine on Christmas if i have it. so no seeing my parents and grandmother. Nina's (my grandmother) 94, she's a spitfire and healthy as an ox but at that age nothings guaranteed.
Otherwise my office space is in very closed quarters and I share space with someone who's pregnant, so that's the main concern.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2021, 11:14:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 16, 2021, 11:16:38 PM
The only thing on a personal level dealing with myself specifically is I'm going to have to quarantine on Christmas if i have it. so no seeing my parents and grandmother. Nina's (my grandmother) 94, she's a spitfire and healthy as an ox but at that age nothings guaranteed.
Otherwise my office space is in very closed quarters and I share space with someone who's pregnant, so that's the main concern.
Yes but your home test, the least sensitive test there is, came up positive. Doing more tests ain't going to change that, you're just going to go spread it some more. Stay home, curl up under some blankets, play videogames for a few days and if you feel better by next weekend you can actually go see your folks. Right now is when you're at you're most infectious, once the symptoms are passed you're good.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2021, 11:21:45 PM
Yes but your home test, the least sensitive test there is, came up positive. Doing more tests ain't going to change that, you're just going to go spread it some more. Stay home, curl up under some blankets, play videogames for a few days and if you feel better by next weekend you can actually go see your folks. Right now is when you're at you're most infectious, once the symptoms are passed you're good.
We think we just had a false positive on a home test. PCR came back negative. Giant possibility we’re dumb and didn’t read the test correctly.
Post by: reuben on December 16, 2021, 11:38:24 PM
Btw, I got covid a couple weeks ago, never mentioned that.
It was pretty freaking shitty, I did not have a mild case. Fatigue/Chills/Headache/Sore Throat were the worst symptoms. I never lost my smell or taste.
My 1 year old son got it near the end of my 10 day quarantine (I stayed and slept in the basement on an air mattress), either somehow from me or my wife’s brother who was the only person they saw within those 10 days. My son was off for about 2 days, red/watery eyes, tired, and stuffy nose that prevented him from breathing through it which drove him wild. He bounced right back though and was back to normal.
I was just about to get my Booster shot too.
Bummer man. Mom managed to dodge it, though? Small mercies.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 17, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2021, 08:15:30 AM
https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1471208440223739910?t=O3BvR2PxRIQZvqlZnV0DuA&s=19
My flavor of choice
I'm rolling with J&J and a Moderna booster. I'm probably screwed.
EDIT: Seriously, MJ, stay home for a couple of days until you're starting to feel better.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 17, 2021, 10:12:06 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Hope yu guys get better. I am getting the booster Sunday after Xmas. I originally had Pfizer should I get the Moderna booster or does it really not matter?
THe last study I saw made it look like Moderna is slightly better but the numbers didn't seem to be too much better, and the sample size isn't the greatest. So long as it's not J&J you should be good.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 17, 2021, 10:19:01 AM
THe last study I saw made it look like Moderna is slightly better but the numbers didn't seem to be too much better, and the sample size isn't the greatest. So long as it's not J&J you should be good.
Great thanks, I will leave well enough alone.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2021, 02:09:33 PM
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1471862749479284748 (https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1471862749479284748)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 18, 2021, 08:47:20 AM
Post by: delavan on December 19, 2021, 10:15:54 PM
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/19/politics/elizabeth-warren-covid-positive/index.html
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2021, 06:56:41 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211220/c6e7d0567eeb9bf0c67fc39a4bab2f6f.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on December 20, 2021, 07:11:53 AM
"So die then"
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211220/c6e7d0567eeb9bf0c67fc39a4bab2f6f.jpg)
Glad to see Frontline workers being supported by these Cunts in the white house.
Make any queynte who tests positive for covid become a self pay. Time to put your money where your mouth is
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 20, 2021, 10:54:03 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 20, 2021, 10:57:30 AM
still on quarantine until 12/27.
Post by: delavan on December 20, 2021, 12:33:19 PM
Felt like total excrement friday and saturday, feel good enough now to where i'll be handling cases virtually tomorrow. I offered to do so today but I only had two things on which required minimal heavy lifting and the judges calendar was light so one of my co workers picked it up for me.
still on quarantine until 12/27.
Hang tough.
Am sure you’ll be able to handle it ;-)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Jeffrey_toobin_2012.jpg/400px-Jeffrey_toobin_2012.jpg)
myself: pfizer vaxx (2) and pfizer booster - fingers crossed…. good health to all
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2021, 05:37:41 PM
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2021, 08:13:42 AM
https://twitter.com/mkarolian/status/1467959999645298697?s=21Update
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1473293460136337408?t=-YPoti-3nt15jghR3Mngtw&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2021, 08:24:11 AM
@sailorrooscout
New out of Moderna this morning. Moderna’s booster dose of 50μg INCREASES the level of neutralizing antibodies against Omicron by 37-FOLD. A booster dose of 100μg INCREASES the level of neutralizing antibodies by ~83-FOLD. Conclusion? The boosters ARE effective against Omicron!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2021, 12:06:01 PM
Lmao
Lmaoooo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2021, 02:15:29 PM
https://twitter.com/telefeminism/status/1473347339289042950?s=21
Newark lol
Post by: Johnny English on December 21, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/telefeminism/status/1473310212249554946?s=21She's going overboard, but shaming other people for do what they feel they personally need to in order to feel safe is cunty behaviour. I don't care if you want to wear an NBC suit just as long as you're not asking me to as well.
https://twitter.com/telefeminism/status/1473347339289042950?s=21
Newark lol
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 21, 2021, 02:35:39 PM
She's going overboard, but shaming other people for do what they feel they personally need to in order to feel safe is cunty behaviour. I don't care if you want to wear an NBC suit just as long as you're not asking me to as well.
I don't think there's anything wrong with shaming her.
Now to be fair I don't know her situation, so if she has like stage 4 cancer or a dying kid or something then she's not being completely unreasonable.
But if she's a normal ish person in a normal ish situation. The behavior she is exhibiting is unquestionably pure freaking mental illness. When HCWs go onto a room taking care of a covid positive person we don't even go that freaking overboard.
And I'm not sure why she opted to list "natural immunity".
While technically true, I don't know if getting Covid-19 is the best strategy to avoid getting Covid-19
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 21, 2021, 02:53:03 PM
I don't think there's anything wrong with shaming her.
Now to be fair I don't know her situation, so if she has like stage 4 cancer or a dying kid or something then she's not being completely unreasonable.
But if she's a normal ish person in a normal ish situation. The behavior she is exhibiting is unquestionably pure freaking mental illness. When HCWs go onto a room taking care of a covid positive person we don't even go that freaking overboard.
And I'm not sure why she opted to list "natural immunity".
While technically true, I don't know if getting Covid-19 is the best strategy to avoid getting Covid-19
Yeah that threw me, mostly because it doesn't exist.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
I don't think there's anything wrong with shaming her.
Now to be fair I don't know her situation, so if she has like stage 4 cancer or a dying kid or something then she's not being completely unreasonable.
But if she's a normal ish person in a normal ish situation. The behavior she is exhibiting is unquestionably pure freaking mental illness. When HCWs go onto a room taking care of a covid positive person we don't even go that freaking overboard.
And I'm not sure why she opted to list "natural immunity".
While technically true, I don't know if getting Covid-19 is the best strategy to avoid getting Covid-19
She has some mental issues, I wouldn't make fun of her. I assume she means her immune system. There's nothing wrong with listing "natural immunity" as one of your defenses, assuming she's referring to her immune system and not some innate specific defense against COVID. Your immune system does help defend you against COVID. The problem is when it's your only defense against COVID. I mean, most people have a relatively normal immune system. It sucks against getting infected with Covid, but seems pretty decent against dying from it.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 21, 2021, 03:25:18 PM
She has some mental issues, I wouldn't make fun of her. I assume she means her immune system. There's nothing wrong with listing "natural immunity" as one of your defenses, assuming she's referring to her immune system and not some innate specific defense against COVID. Your immune system does help defend you against COVID. The problem is when it's your only defense against COVID. I mean, most people have a relatively normal immune system. It sucks against getting infected with Covid, but seems pretty decent against dying from it.
Of course there is
Because everyone has freaking natural immunity.
It would be like me listing why I'm a good athlete. And then writing that I have bones blood tendons and other freaking nonsense.
I will assume that her natural immunity meant that she previously had gotten covid, thus has natural immunity to it. Nothing else would make sense (not that it does to begin with) rather than referring to her innate non specific immune systems, which again is just a stupid point.
Regardless she's obviously a freaking psychopath. I suppose we'd be better off if we had more retards like her rather than the fat slobs who are the reason this excrement still exists
Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2021, 03:34:53 PM
Of course there is
Because everyone has freaking natural immunity.
It would be like me listing why I'm a good athlete. And then writing that I have bones blood tendons and other freaking nonsense.
I will assume that her natural immunity meant that she previously had gotten covid, thus has natural immunity to it. Nothing else would make sense (not that it does to begin with) rather than referring to her innate non specific immune systems, which again is just a stupid point.
Regardless she's obviously a freaking psychopath. I suppose we'd be better off if we had more retards like her rather than the fat slobs who are the reason this excrement still exists
Your mistake is trying to read any normalcy into the rantings of a person who isn't mentally normal. That would be like trying to understand why a man wearing nothing but high heels and a bowtie shows up to work and blows away 20 people. You can't use reason with the unreasonable.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2021, 04:51:20 PM
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2021, 06:47:54 PM
Your mistake is trying to read any normalcy into the rantings of a person who isn't mentally normal. That would be like trying to understand why a man wearing nothing but high heels and a bowtie shows up to work and blows 20 people.
Something something puck
Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2021, 06:57:52 PM
That also.
Something something puck
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2021, 08:51:47 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 22, 2021, 10:24:43 AM
Post by: Badger on December 23, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 23, 2021, 07:27:06 PM
https://twitter.com/FleetwoodMax__/status/1474049978930708480?t=LGBPRIEBsy9Hzc5YFfdaNQ&s=19
Gay people can be stupid too.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2021, 02:38:49 PM
However it's much more transmitable and is more resistant to the vaccine. The combo of these two makes me wonder, wouldn't this just make it dramatically more likely to evolve into another variant, that potentially is deadly plus carries these previous traits.
However I don't see literally anyone talking to that. So beats me
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2021, 03:49:58 PM
I notice that so many people poo poo this because it's much less serious than the previous two variants.
However it's much more transmitable and is more resistant to the vaccine. The combo of these two makes me wonder, wouldn't this just make it dramatically more likely to evolve into another variant, that potentially is deadly plus carries these previous traits.
However I don't see literally anyone talking to that. So beats me
It's possible.
I've also seen people reporting theories that this is how the Spanish Flu eventually ended; the strains became less lethal as it kept mutating into versions that didn't kill the host.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2021, 04:22:12 PM
It's possible.
I've also seen people reporting theories that this is how the Spanish Flu eventually ended; the strains became less lethal as it kept mutating into versions that didn't kill the host.
It's possible.
I've also seen people reporting theories that this is how the Spanish Flu eventually ended; the strains became less lethal as it kept mutating into versions that didn't kill the host.
Well I just did a Google search on how the Spanish Flu ended
And apparently it didn't end, there's still a variant of it going around today.
Though it's obviously not mass murdering people anymore
Post by: bojanglesman on December 25, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
Well I just did a Google search on how the Spanish Flu endedIf I knew Covid would end as the flu has, I'd take it every time because we have a much better vaccine for covid than what we have for the flu. I assume Covid isn't going away.
And apparently it didn't end, there's still a variant of it going around today.
Though it's obviously not mass murdering people anymore
You are right that it is concerning that it is a few random mutations away from being not only highly infectious, but more fatal. I refuse to predict anything about this excrement. I thought we were done with it about 10 times now. I don't think there is much we can realistically do to stop that at this point, considering all the third world countries that will never have any decent level of vaccination.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
If I knew Covid would end as the flu has, I'd take it every time because we have a much better vaccine for covid than what we have for the flu. I assume Covid isn't going away.
You are right that it is concerning that it is a few random mutations away from being not only highly infectious, but more fatal. I refuse to predict anything about this excrement. I thought we were done with it about 10 times now. I don't think there is much we can realistically do to stop that at this point, considering all the third world countries that will never have any decent level of vaccination.
Well I'm not predicting anything as that's just guessing.
Rather pointing out the conditions are completely freaking ripe for this to turn into a catastrophic disaster. Yet it's not even discussed
I get not bringing up the doomsday scenario early on in the pandemic when people were terrified. But I feel like now you have wide spread complacency and ignorance that's stirring excrement up more
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2021, 07:05:42 PM
Well I just did a Google search on how the Spanish Flu endedThat's essentially ending it though. If there is little to no risk for the hosts, it doesn't really matter.
And apparently it didn't end, there's still a variant of it going around today.
Though it's obviously not mass murdering people anymore
That's the hope with Omicron. The downside is that it provides a lot more opportunities for it to mutate.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2021, 07:29:51 PM
Well I just did a Google search on how the Spanish Flu ended
And apparently it didn't end, there's still a variant of it going around today.
Though it's obviously not mass murdering people anymore
OK so exactly like that maybe?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 26, 2021, 12:46:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2021, 06:40:08 AM
Virus's don't survive by effectively killing their host. That's a main reason why when they constantly mutate, they become less virulent. It's pretty much been like that for every virus that's been in existence. It doesn't lessen the threat Covid poses, just means the more it mutates, most likely it will become less virulent.(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/38784299/uh-oh-got-a-scientist-over-here.jpg)
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2021, 11:00:17 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 26, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1475068114631024643?t=tvdYkL6d-WyNVbC2BTzv1w&s=19
If only the liberals who egged that Delaware lady's kids were in the Applebee's parking lot and real.
Post by: delavan on December 27, 2021, 04:33:10 PM
If only the liberals who egged that Delaware lady's kids were in the Applebee's parking lot and real.
Politics aside, I doubt eggers soft toss let alone below their intended target's waist - good way to peg an eye in earnest.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 04:36:06 PM
Politics aside, I doubt eggers soft toss let alone below their intended target's waist - good way to peg an eye in earnest.
Yeah and if those ones were real I’d feel bad about that.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2021, 05:07:41 PM
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2021, 05:08:09 PM
According to Biden only the states can win the war against Covid-19. "there is no federal solution" to the pandemic.Let's freak Brandon
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2021, 05:14:34 PM
Given the amount of Federal aid being pumped into the COVID fight only to watch it all go for naught with multiple senators, reps, and state-level politicians actively encouraging anti-vaxxers, he might be correct.
The states being retarded doesn't mean the federal government can't accomplish anything.
Plus blue states are being just as excrement as red.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 05:20:19 PM
The states being retarded doesn't mean the federal government can't accomplish anything.
Plus blue states are being just as excrement as red.
Nothing the federal gov’t does is going to hold without cooperation and support at the state level.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2021, 05:47:21 PM
Nothing the federal gov’t does is going to hold without cooperation and support at the state level.
I don't remember anyone on the left saying this one year ago
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 05:48:50 PM
I don't remember anyone on the left saying this one year ago
OK.
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCLX/status/1475525050249973773?t=XmvkOxv6VPGoEHIourdgzA&s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
This might come as a shock
https://twitter.com/NBCLX/status/1475525050249973773?t=XmvkOxv6VPGoEHIourdgzA&s=19
IT WAS THEIR RIGHT AS AMERICANS!!!
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2021, 10:01:08 PM
It is not mild. I am sick of hearing that excrement. She's sick enough that I've debated dragging her to the emergency room a couple of times already.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 27, 2021, 10:05:21 PM
https://twitter.com/CMargaronis/status/1475554746073190400?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CMargaronis/status/1475554746073190400?s=20)
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2021, 10:06:16 PM
But we can't lock down again. No matter what. The CDC is lowering quarantine times despite record case numbers (which are supposed to no longer be a factor in severity of the situation), and quickly rising numbers of vax-ineligible children in ERs.
Forget black or blue. No lives matter. Just corporations and the precious economy.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2021, 11:23:26 PM
Also, I've been thinking about the mutation angle a lot myself. Of course, it could become a more virulent and transmissible variant. Every body it enters is another potential petri dish.
But we can't lock down again. No matter what. The CDC is lowering quarantine times despite record case numbers (which are supposed to no longer be a factor in severity of the situation), and quickly rising numbers of vax-ineligible children in ERs.
Forget black or blue. No lives matter. Just corporations and the precious economy.
I think this is an oversimplification (saying it's all about corporations)
The American people have zero freaking patience, so doing anything responsible would never envoke their participation.
Plus we've seen in other countries that the super restrictive excrement doesn't work.
My guess is now that anyone who wants a vaccinated is vaccinated. The is is basically taking a herd immunity approach by borderline encouraging everyone to get covid without actually encouraging them
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 28, 2021, 01:04:55 PM
lmao
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 28, 2021, 05:36:18 PM
I think this is an oversimplification (saying it's all about corporations)
The American people have zero freaking patience, so doing anything responsible would never envoke their participation.
Plus we've seen in other countries that the super restrictive excrement doesn't work.
My guess is now that anyone who wants a vaccinated is vaccinated. The is is basically taking a herd immunity approach by borderline encouraging everyone to get covid without actually encouraging them
The UK was adamant they weren't going into a lockdown again, and their populace was acting like ours the first time. Then they went back into a lockdown recently, and crazy as it is, no one's rioting in the street there.
Twitter is full of memes because most aren't fooled at this point. Corporate America demands we don't shut down, so we won't, no matter the risk. Hell, Walensky and Fauci have all but said exactly that within the last 24 hours.
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2021, 05:43:02 PM
The UK was adamant they weren't going into a lockdown again, and their populace was acting like ours the first time. Then they went back into a lockdown recently
No they didn't. Scotland and Wales enacted some relatively minor additional restrictions, England put in place some comically weak vaccine proof requirements. Lockdowns are bullshit and of no value now. There's zero point in making people stay home while their vaccine-derived immunity slowly winds down; we need to be getting boosters in arms and shutting the unvaccinated out of every place where decent members of society are going to be, and getting on with our lives.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 28, 2021, 05:58:47 PM
No they didn't. Scotland and Wales enacted some relatively minor additional restrictions, England put in place some comically weak vaccine proof requirements. Lockdowns are bullshit and of no value now. There's zero point in making people stay home while their vaccine-derived immunity slowly winds down; we need to be getting boosters in arms and shutting the unvaccinated out of every place where decent members of society are going to be, and getting on with our lives.
I'd be with you if it were actually enforced that the unvaccinated were shut out and locked down. But they're not.
And this thing is getting more communicable and is incredibly airborne. Not a good combination if you want to let people roam free but also prevent more dangerous mutations.
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2021, 06:02:30 PM
I'd be with you if it were actually enforced that the unvaccinated were shut out and locked down. But they're not.
And this thing is getting more communicable and is incredibly airborne. Not a good combination if you want to let people roam free but also prevent more dangerous mutations.
OK, but lockdowns aren't fixing anything either.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2021, 06:06:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2021, 06:09:36 PM
I still think the only solution is to make anyone who tests positive for covid that isn't vaccinated become a self pay for all medical bills (excluding routine care OFC)
And make anyone who is unvaxxed the lowest priority for ICU. If the ICU is full, remove unvaxxed patients to make space for those have fulfilled their basic social responsibility. Or just leave them in the parking lot to die if you prefer, I'm good with that too. We're two years into this and I'm done putting my life on hold for these cunts.
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2021, 06:36:22 PM
OK, but lockdowns aren't fixing anything either.Strong, uniform lockdowns starting at the beginning would have. At this point it's a lost cause.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2021, 06:39:40 PM
And make anyone who is unvaxxed the lowest priority for ICU. If the ICU is full, remove unvaxxed patients to make space for those have fulfilled their basic social responsibility. Or just leave them in the parking lot to die if you prefer, I'm good with that too. We're two years into this and I'm done putting my life on hold for these cunts.
Yeah it's crazy
So part of the area I work on specializes in lung and heart transplants. And a lot of three severe covid people are on all kinds of extraordinarily expensive life support. And many of them are dependent on lung transplants in order to have a chance at life. So they just sit there and rot on this extremely expensive life support for MONTHS. And then they end up getting lungs that could have gone to someone else (now I'll concede a large number of lung transplants go to cunts that are lifelong smokers. So you're taking from one queynte to give to another)
Another thing people don't realize is there's massive amounts of drug shortages. Some of it is supply chain logistics nonsense, but the amount of sedation these covid people require is freaking obsence (it's unique in the sense that they're sedated for so long so they have astronomical tolerances, plus their lungs are so badly destroyed that if they're anything less than 100% sedated their body uses up too much oxygen putting them in brain death territory)
I have legit cared for covid patients who require such an insane amount of narcotics that if you took all the narcotics they got in a 24 hour period, it would be enough to overdose and kill at least 1000 normal healthy people. Not freaking kidding, it's obsence. For context if I have someone who has a heart surgery (ie triple bypass) for pain they get 0.5mg of dialudid, maybe 1mg. This is every 4 hours
I take care of covid fuckers who are getting something like 50mg of dialudid and 50mg of versed an hour (every hour for months) plus they require boluses of like 30mg and 30mg when they act up.
It's obsence and freaking insane
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2021, 06:42:11 PM
Strong, uniform lockdowns starting at the beginning would have. At this point it's a lost cause.
Strong uniform lock downs would have prevented some people from dying in overcrowded hospitals, while buying us time to figure out what the freak to do. It potentially could have saved tens of thousands of lives by simply slowing down the spread until the vaccine rolled out
Literal lockdowns for the entirety of the planet lasting presumably several months is completely unrealistic.
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2021, 11:02:19 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2021, 01:41:38 PM
OK, but lockdowns aren't fixing anything either.
There's likely a middle ground, but lockdowns matter. They did when NYC had to bring in refrigerator trucks to pile bodies in, and they would likely stem some of the infections and deaths right now.
That's ignoring the coming wave as soon as schools return to in-house classes next week. But for the sake of their mental health, kids need to be in a classroom where they can actively dodge coronavirus and bullets rather than their next Zoom math class.
I read the other day how NYC is in a state of "soft lockdown." While the government stands firm on their no-lockdowns rulership, businesses are actively closing to protect their own workers.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 29, 2021, 02:11:42 PM
There's likely a middle ground, but lockdowns matter. They did when NYC had to bring in refrigerator trucks to pile bodies in, and they would likely stem some of the infections and deaths right now.
That's ignoring the coming wave as soon as schools return to in-house classes next week. But for the sake of their mental health, kids need to be in a classroom where they can actively dodge coronavirus and bullets rather than their next Zoom math class.
I read the other day how NYC is in a state of "soft lockdown." While the government stands firm on their no-lockdowns rulership, businesses are actively closing to protect their own workers.
Lockdowns would have served a very different purpose then.
Hospitals were insanely over capacity and nobody knew how to fight the disease and there were logistics nightmares (supplies and personnel being spread out while the disease was concentrated) So lock downs if nothing else would have reduced capacity and spread excrement out so that resources could be allocated and strategies developed.
What purpose would a lockdown serve right now? I don't see a purpose or an end game.
If you want to make an argument against mass gatherings (concerts sports etc) I think you can at least make an argument there.
Right now the biggest freaking problem is people that are not vaccinated, period. Therefore I think the most productive intervention would be something that disincentivizes this behavior.
My personal favorite solution is to make anyone who is not vaccinated a self pay for all medical care, and requiring a co-signer for any extensive treatment (so death can't get these scumbags off the hook)
I think it would be a harder sell but making anyone who is not vaccinated an automatic DNR/DNI is something that would fly.
Your body, your choice, your wallet.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2021, 06:29:48 PM
Lockdowns would have served a very different purpose then.
Hospitals were insanely over capacity and nobody knew how to fight the disease and there were logistics nightmares (supplies and personnel being spread out while the disease was concentrated) So lock downs if nothing else would have reduced capacity and spread excrement out so that resources could be allocated and strategies developed.
What purpose would a lockdown serve right now? I don't see a purpose or an end game.
If you want to make an argument against mass gatherings (concerts sports etc) I think you can at least make an argument there.
Right now the biggest freaking problem is people that are not vaccinated, period. Therefore I think the most productive intervention would be something that disincentivizes this behavior.
My personal favorite solution is to make anyone who is not vaccinated a self pay for all medical care, and requiring a co-signer for any extensive treatment (so death can't get these scumbags off the hook)
I think it would be a harder sell but making anyone who is not vaccinated an automatic DNR/DNI is something that would fly.
Your body, your choice, your wallet.
I largely agree, and I said as much to JE previously. The problem is, we're not completely locking the unvaccinated out of society. As long as they're allowed to walk around freely, the virus has opportunities to spread, and therefore mutate.
The idea that locking down until the entire planet is vaccinated will never fly because everyone is so concerned with their own personal freedoms. And corporations. But we could eradicate this thing. We won't because of the above. But we could.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2021, 07:42:41 PM
People are awfully cavalier with other people's lives. My wife got her booster on Black Friday. She got infected a month later. Really bad. And we've behaved excessively cautiously. It really pisses me off when people act like it's a tragedy that they can't hit the bar every night just to protect the health of people they don't know.
This is not aimed at you Alio, but I don't think you can be supportive of "muh freedoms and muh rights" and complain about people being cavalier with other's lives. And that's not just a US thing, you have a particularly high level of cunts but Canada and the UK have a decent helping as well.
Let's stop being tolerant of people who choose not to get vaccinated. Let's stop allowing freedoms and rights to be used as an excuse for failing to fulfil basic civil responsibility. If you don't want to get vaccinated then you need to be required to go all the rest of the way also - go live in the bush, surrender any and all benefits of society, and freaking live and die on your own. But if you want to have anything to do with society, this is the basic entry price.
People who don't get vaccinated are scum, but people who are willing to allow them to not be vaccinated are almost as bad. Call those fuckers out. I'm done tolerating this excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2021, 07:50:56 PM
This is not aimed at you Alio, but I don't think you can be supportive of "muh freedoms and muh rights" and complain about people being cavalier with other's lives. And that's not just a US thing, you have a particularly high level of cunts but Canada and the UK have a decent helping as well.(https://c.tenor.com/BL9nj-cfWbMAAAAC/benedict-cumberbatch-sherlock.gif)
Let's stop being tolerant of people who choose not to get vaccinated. Let's stop allowing freedoms and rights to be used as an excuse for failing to fulfil basic civil responsibility. If you don't want to get vaccinated then you need to be required to go all the rest of the way also - go live in the bush, surrender any and all benefits of society, and freaking live and die on your own. But if you want to have anything to do with society, this is the basic entry price.
People who don't get vaccinated are scum, but people who are willing to allow them to not be vaccinated are almost as bad. Call those fuckers out. I'm done tolerating this excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/BL9nj-cfWbMAAAAC/benedict-cumberbatch-sherlock.gif)
Just for the record, I freaking hate tea. It's awful muck.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 29, 2021, 09:17:21 PM
If someone doesn't want to wear a mask where they are supposed to, most security guards I've seen will tell people to put it on, but they won't go beyond that, and if people ignore them, they usually don't do anything about it.
Half the cops I see barely wear masks, so they damn sure aren't going to enforce it.
I go to concerts and sporting events, many of which require some vaccine proof. The people checking them are barely getting paid for that and aren't exactly doing deep dives to see which cards are fake, especially since they'll usually accept pictures of them.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 29, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
I largely agree, and I said as much to JE previously. The problem is, we're not completely locking the unvaccinated out of society. As long as they're allowed to walk around freely, the virus has opportunities to spread, and therefore mutate.
The idea that locking down until the entire planet is vaccinated will never fly because everyone is so concerned with their own personal freedoms. And corporations. But we could eradicate this thing. We won't because of the above. But we could.
A lockdown cannot eradicate it.
I mean theoretically yes, but it's legit impossible.
If one city had to be locked down, sure you can make the argument.
But how the freak do you lock down the entire planet for say 2 or 3 months?
Are people going to literally stop making all food and goods globally for that period of time? Is the expectation that 4-5 billion freaking people will all comply for several months?
I attempt to keep an open mind, but I don't see the purpose or the end goal of this. You cannot eliminate a disease that's spread globally with a lockdown (unless it's a bizarre disease that would become eradicated in hours, which this clearly is not)
Now the only legit argument I can see someone making for a lockdown. Is hey Covid-19 is spreading hardcore because of Thanksgiving Christmas and new years and hosptials/testing/treatment capabilities etc are all over capicity, and we're needing to excrement down essential services because everyone's freaking sick. We need to temporarily lock down for a few days/weeks just to catch our breath and get over this holiday hump. It's a short term focused effort with a clear goal of mitigating the holidays
And the other difference is the feasibility. A global lockdown to eradicate covid you'd need 100% compliance essentially all of the time.
A temporary lockdown (ie to get over the holidays) will be successful whether you get 40% compliance or 90%. As the goal is simply slow excrement down and flatten the curve from the holidays (and the emerging omnicron ofc)
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
A lockdown cannot eradicate it.At this point the only way forward is hoping it mutates into something harmless and stays that way, and vaccinating long enough to weather the storm, because enough people with enough power have decided anything more than that is too inconvenient.
I mean theoretically yes, but it's legit impossible.
If one city had to be locked down, sure you can make the argument.
But how the freak do you lock down the entire planet for say 2 or 3 months?
Are people going to literally stop making all food and goods globally for that period of time? Is the expectation that 4-5 billion freaking people will all comply for several months?
I attempt to keep an open mind, but I don't see the purpose or the end goal of this. You cannot eliminate a disease that's spread globally with a lockdown (unless it's a bizarre disease that would become eradicated in hours, which this clearly is not)
Now the only legit argument I can see someone making for a lockdown. Is hey Covid-19 is spreading hardcore because of Thanksgiving Christmas and new years and hosptials/testing/treatment capabilities etc are all over capicity, and we're needing to excrement down essential services because everyone's freaking sick. We need to temporarily lock down for a few days/weeks just to catch our breath and get over this holiday hump. It's a short term focused effort with a clear goal of mitigating the holidays
And the other difference is the feasibility. A global lockdown to eradicate covid you'd need 100% compliance essentially all of the time.
A temporary lockdown (ie to get over the holidays) will be successful whether you get 40% compliance or 90%. As the goal is simply slow excrement down and flatten the curve from the holidays (and the emerging omnicron ofc)
Your correct point that we won't lockdown again overrides whether or not further lockdowns would work anyway, so it's not worth discussing the latter.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2021, 11:31:52 PM
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Then COVID-19 struck. Nearly 18,000 more dialysis patients died in 2020 than would have been expected based on previous years. That staggering toll represents an increase of nearly 20% from 2019, when more than 96,000 patients on dialysis died, according to federal data released this month.
The loss led to an unprecedented outcome: The nation’s dialysis population shrank, the first decline since the U.S. began keeping detailed numbers nearly a half century ago.
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2021, 08:51:04 AM
So why the disconnect when history simply needs to repeat itself?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Jonas_Salk_1988.jpg/403px-Jonas_Salk_1988.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
The US has been polio-free since 1979, why? A vaccine.
So why the disconnect when history simply needs to repeat itself?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Jonas_Salk_1988.jpg/403px-Jonas_Salk_1988.jpg)
muh rights?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2021, 10:40:17 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2021, 10:43:28 AM
Is there anyone left on this board that is arguing against vaccination?
no..they all died
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2021, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: delavan
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Jonas_Salk_1988.jpg/202px-Jonas_Salk_1988.jpg)
muh rights?Jonas Salk, Muhnitoba. Who were you thinking, Larry David? : )
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2021, 05:42:14 PM
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom 'Spike' Ghebreyesus criticizes U.S. for its booster program (strongly supported by Fauci) vis-a-vis poorer countries who've yet to receive their first vaxx.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2021, 05:58:52 PM
Israel now approving a fourth shot for those most susceptible.
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom 'Spike' Ghebreyesus criticizes U.S. for its booster program (strongly supported by Fauci) vis-a-vis poorer countries who've yet to receive their first vaxx.
We're doing the same. Ontario is apparently set to announce that LTC residents will be eligible for a 4th shot on their 6 month anniversary, and I believe MB said the other day that Manitoba is doing the same for the immunocompromised.
This is what starting to live with covid looks like, IMO. Grown ups get a shot every six months and get on with their lives, vax-refusing plague rats get to die off.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2021, 06:07:29 PM
We're doing the same. Ontario is apparently set to announce that LTC residents will be eligible for a 4th shot on their 6 month anniversary, and I believe MB said the other day that Manitoba is doing the same for the immunocompromised.
This is what starting to live with covid looks like, IMO. Grown ups get a shot every six months and get on with their lives, vax-refusing plague rats get to die off.
Purely speculating but i have to imagine there's a very high probability that the 4th shot is it
And that the vast majority of Americans won't even get a 4th
(I mean excrement sign me up for all the shots, I just don't think it's gonna be a thing)
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 30, 2021, 06:11:32 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2021, 06:15:39 PM
I spent a reasonably significant proportion of my life taking pharmaceuticals that were cooked up in a shed in a forest somewhere in South America or a warehouse in the Netherlands before being diluted with freak knows what by a spotty poopchute in a council house in Leeds. I'm fairly sure that I'm good with multiple doses of the most scrutinized and analyzed drug in the history of mankind.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2021, 07:01:30 PM
I'm a good little drone, every time they tell me to take a shot I'll line up to take it.Some rando on Instagram told me I'm going to die from the vaccine in a couple years.
I spent a reasonably significant proportion of my life taking pharmaceuticals that were cooked up in a shed in a forest somewhere in South America or a warehouse in the Netherlands before being diluted with freak knows what by a spotty poopchute in a council house in Leeds. I'm fairly sure that I'm good with multiple doses of the most scrutinized and analyzed drug in the history of mankind.
So I'll see you in hell, I guess.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 30, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2021, 07:48:29 PM
Some rando on Instagram told me I'm going to die from the vaccine in a couple years.
So I'll see you in hell, I guess.
Did they mention the lottery numbers too?
I just don't understand people predicting the future
If they want to make a good bad argument fill it up with nonsensical subjective bullshit
Say it's going to make you gain weight and have a limp dick or some excrement
Not something that's pretty definitive
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
This is not aimed at you Alio, but I don't think you can be supportive of "muh freedoms and muh rights" and complain about people being cavalier with other's lives. And that's not just a US thing, you have a particularly high level of cunts but Canada and the UK have a decent helping as well.
Let's stop being tolerant of people who choose not to get vaccinated. Let's stop allowing freedoms and rights to be used as an excuse for failing to fulfil basic civil responsibility. If you don't want to get vaccinated then you need to be required to go all the rest of the way also - go live in the bush, surrender any and all benefits of society, and freaking live and die on your own. But if you want to have anything to do with society, this is the basic entry price.
People who don't get vaccinated are scum, but people who are willing to allow them to not be vaccinated are almost as bad. Call those fuckers out. I'm done tolerating this excrement.
Wait what?
You're mentioning both complaining about others being cavalier with other's lives, which I did, and supportive of "muh rights" which I never have or will.
I 100% agree with you that every person who benefits from modern society also has a responsibility to it. I wish the virus would exclusively target anti-vaxxers and leave the rest of us alone.
I'm with you on calling out every single one of them. My only problem is: we're allowing those fucks to freely roam around, gathering, incubating, and re-releasing one of the most contagious pathogens in recorded history.
We shouldn't have to lock down again. It would work if we did it properly. But we didn't bother doing it properly in the first place. And now corporate interests have decided the human toll is worth the price. So here we are.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2021, 07:56:34 PM
At this point the only way forward is hoping it mutates into something harmless and stays that way, and vaccinating long enough to weather the storm, because enough people with enough power have decided anything more than that is too inconvenient.
Your correct point that we won't lockdown again overrides whether or not further lockdowns would work anyway, so it's not worth discussing the latter.
Agreed. It won't stop me though. Because corporate interests are literally putting the public health at risk for profit. And they even made money while we were all home! But they want to be able to see us too.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2021, 07:59:26 PM
We're doing the same. Ontario is apparently set to announce that LTC residents will be eligible for a 4th shot on their 6 month anniversary, and I believe MB said the other day that Manitoba is doing the same for the immunocompromised.
This is what starting to live with covid looks like, IMO. Grown ups get a shot every six months and get on with their lives, vax-refusing plague rats get to die off.
Cute, but it's a waste of good vaccine.
My wife is triple-vaccinated. Her third shot was on November 26. Three Modernas, you know, the most effective one. She tested positive on December 24, almost a month to the day later--far past the "official" boosted timeframe of 2 weeks. And she's been what I'd consider severe ever since--including a few times where we thought we may have to go to the hospital. She's literally crying at her desk right now while being forced to work and is also being forced to work NYE, which isn't her normal shift, to fill in for someone who filled in for her the last two nights while they "graciously" let her recover.
FTR, she tested positive again a few hours ago. That's now 7 days straight with detectable virus in her. But according to the CDC, since she doesn't have a fever, she's free to go anywhere she wants because it's been more than 5 days since her first positive test.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2021, 08:03:49 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2021, 08:14:57 PM
Wait what?
You're mentioning both complaining about others being cavalier with other's lives, which I did, and supportive of "muh rights" which I never have or will.
I 100% agree with you that every person who benefits from modern society also has a responsibility to it. I wish the virus would exclusively target anti-vaxxers and leave the rest of us alone.
I'm with you on calling out every single one of them. My only problem is: we're allowing those fucks to freely roam around, gathering, incubating, and re-releasing one of the most contagious pathogens in recorded history.
We shouldn't have to lock down again. It would work if we did it properly. But we didn't bother doing it properly in the first place. And now corporate interests have decided the human toll is worth the price. So here we are.
The most important part is if everyone did it properly.
That's like saying if everyone ate right, exercised, and didn't smoke drink or do drugs we'd have some kind of utopian society
Doing it "right" is literally impossible
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2021, 08:28:42 PM
In the sake of fairness and so I (we're?) not making assumptions about what you're saying.
What would be the specific goal of this lockdown?
And in your mind, no data or research needed just your postulating. What would it take to achieve this goal? Participation rate? Compliance? Duration?
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2021, 11:02:25 PM
Agreed. It won't stop me though. Because corporate interests are literally putting the public health at risk for profit. And they even made money while we were all home! But they want to be able to see us too.Well, yeah, you're right. I'm just feeling pretty defeatist lately.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2021, 11:09:10 PM
Did they mention the lottery numbers too?
I just don't understand people predicting the future
If they want to make a good bad argument fill it up with nonsensical subjective bullshit
Say it's going to make you gain weight and have a limp dick or some excrement
Not something that's pretty definitive
Something going around among women in their 20s-30s is the unfounded idea that the vaccine will cause sterility. Obviously there's no data to support that but I've seen/heard it come up here and there.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2021, 12:00:23 AM
Something going around among women in their 20s-30s is the unfounded idea that the vaccine will cause sterility. Obviously there's no data to support that but I've seen/heard it come up here and there.
Unfortunately this is just the continuation of the nonsense that started a bajillion freaking years ago. That if a child bearing aged women gets vaccinated she's either gonna have some kind of retard baby or kill it.
Unfortunately that stigma will eternally be associated vaccines. Probably from so many vaccinated people having retard babies
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2021, 11:18:16 AM
Oh, here's my favorite part. My wife is currently working in this https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/under-the-weather-originalpod-pop-up-backpacking-tent-16utwundrthwthrtnodr/16utwundrthwthrtnodr (https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/under-the-weather-originalpod-pop-up-backpacking-tent-16utwundrthwthrtnodr/16utwundrthwthrtnodr) to prevent spreading it around our home.Now I'm getting ads for that
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211231/489e92b69bb92c13bfc13dba09c427b8.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2021, 11:55:15 AM
Now I'm getting ads for that
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211231/489e92b69bb92c13bfc13dba09c427b8.jpg)
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1858267/jeff-bezos-laughing-suit.jpg?w=1600&h=900&q=88&f=042dce7ac067c836e20b1c6f1cd82318)
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2021, 12:04:02 PM
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1858267/jeff-bezos-laughing-suit.jpg?w=1600&h=900&q=88&f=042dce7ac067c836e20b1c6f1cd82318)
Zuckerberg, and Gase, and Buffet;
Amateurs can freaking suck it;
freak their wives, drink their blood;
Come on, Jeff! Get 'em!
Post by: delavan on December 31, 2021, 01:03:09 PM
And that the vast majority of Americans won't even get a 4th
I would and I'd even take the 5th - wouldn't be the first time.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2021, 03:05:49 PM
I would and I'd even take the 5th - wouldn't be the first time.Several Trumpies are doing it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2021, 10:01:08 PM
https://twitter.com/kayleighrenel/status/1477066459398524933?t=vQmmDAbh-bN57_lfMNFZRg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/kayleighrenel/status/1477066459398524933?t=vQmmDAbh-bN57_lfMNFZRg&s=19)
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2021, 10:03:06 PM
I hate it here.
https://twitter.com/kayleighrenel/status/1477066459398524933?t=vQmmDAbh-bN57_lfMNFZRg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/kayleighrenel/status/1477066459398524933?t=vQmmDAbh-bN57_lfMNFZRg&s=19)
You're in Detroit? I thought you were DC?
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2021, 10:27:37 PM
You're in Detroit? I thought you were DC?
You're taking "here" too literally.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2022, 12:40:19 AM
https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1478233367682371589?t=5IGGrzigSE86_Ql8FTZjcg&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on January 04, 2022, 02:58:15 AM
Let's see where this goes
https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1478233367682371589?t=5IGGrzigSE86_Ql8FTZjcg&s=19
freak everybody
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2022, 06:08:18 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2022, 07:45:55 AM
CT covid positivity at 21.5%, record high during the pandemic
Manitoba's is currently at 37.9%
https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/updates/cases.html
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2022, 09:21:18 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2022, 09:41:37 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2022, 01:12:24 PM
interesting article on the effects of Long Covid, and where they're at for treatments.
Post by: delavan on January 04, 2022, 02:58:35 PM
Getting kind of annoying to read that (insert famous person here) has covid. Shitloads of people have it, who cares.
I'd care more if they were hospitalized or something.
Eureka! : )
https://news.yahoo.com/california-deputy-da-fought-vaccine-131753710.html
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2022, 03:02:22 PM
Eureka! : )
https://news.yahoo.com/california-deputy-da-fought-vaccine-131753710.html
Excellent news.
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2022, 04:09:24 PM
Eureka! : )
https://news.yahoo.com/california-deputy-da-fought-vaccine-131753710.html
Enjoy your freedoms :)
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2022, 07:21:13 AM
https://m.dw.com/en/new-corona-variant-identified-in-france/a-60329823
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However, very low vaccination rates generally favor the emergence of new coronavirus mutations. In Cameroon, only 2.4% of the population is fully vaccinated, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore in the United States.
As long as the vaccination campaign isn't advanced globally, new variants will continue to develop.
Good thing we blocked vaccine patent waivers to protect profits.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2022, 08:27:25 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 06, 2022, 06:49:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
https://twitter.com/kathbarbadoro/status/1479190500494163975?s=21
Soreness and tiredness after a hard day's work? That bloke looks like he'd feel soreness and tiredness trying to lever his fat derriere out of his chair.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 06, 2022, 06:58:46 PM
Soreness and tiredness after a hard day's work? That bloke looks like he'd feel soreness and tiredness trying to lever his fat derriere out of his chair.https://twitter.com/pderrow/status/1479207806444130309?t=4t28cfzUY1geNkyDRS8bzA&s=19
FROG- Fully Rely on Gravy
BTW he lives in the city I work. These idiots are everywhere.
Post by: delavan on January 06, 2022, 09:39:12 PM
edit: ok, so a parent/guardian made sure junior got the vaxx - bottom line, they didn't get polio....vaxx = no polio....dots....connect...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Polio_physical_therapy.jpg/190px-Polio_physical_therapy.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 06, 2022, 11:27:22 PM
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 06:04:18 AM
https://twitter.com/kathbarbadoro/status/1479190500494163975?s=21
Soreness and tiredness after a hard day's work? That bloke looks like he'd feel soreness and tiredness trying to lever his fat derriere out of his chair.
https://twitter.com/pderrow/status/1479207806444130309?t=4t28cfzUY1geNkyDRS8bzA&s=19I am weeping for all the unposted work boots memes he'll never get to share with us.
FROG- Fully Rely on Gravy
BTW he lives in the city I work. These idiots are everywhere.
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 06:06:27 AM
https://twitter.com/lustforjewls/status/1478936895572828164?s=21This *feels* fake but everything is so stupid right now I don't have enough confidence to call it out.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2022, 07:14:02 AM
This *feels* fake but everything is so stupid right now I don't have enough confidence to call it out.
Fake.....well I think it is.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2022, 08:34:30 AM
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 08:49:36 AM
Person I share an office with has a son with Covid. The walls are closing in on me. Time to quadruple mask (including one on my junk), double face shield while non-stop spraying Hawaiian Febreze and Lysol at everyone that gets near me.Don't forget the medical grade buttplug.
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2022, 08:57:40 AM
Person I share an office with has a son with Covid. The walls are closing in on me. Time to quadruple mask (including one on my junk), double face shield while non-stop spraying Hawaiian Febreze and Lysol at everyone that gets near me.
if your farts don't eliminate covid then i'm Miles Davis
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 08:58:31 AM
We only have 15-20 people in a 200 person office most days, so I'm assuming someone was a close contact or has it and they haven't told us yet.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2022, 09:30:07 AM
if your farts don't eliminate covid then i'm Miles Davis
Sweet.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 12:41:16 PM
Truly unprecedented times
Post by: delavan on January 07, 2022, 12:57:50 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Hold_my_hand.jpg/320px-Hold_my_hand.jpg
No Vaxx:
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1479145331958992898?s=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y45oADjAAuQ
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 04:56:30 PM
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2022, 05:10:19 PM
https://twitter.com/TexasGOP/status/1479561642618851343?t=31TPLI52aB3LmHSNKOdbXA&s=19
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 07, 2022, 07:08:00 PM
Libs = owned
https://twitter.com/TexasGOP/status/1479561642618851343?t=31TPLI52aB3LmHSNKOdbXA&s=19
there was an anime i watched in the past with what i felt to be a very creepy character that 'enjoyed' studying people because they were 'strange', and who'd use their irrationalities against them to make them do dumb or dangerous things because they were bored and it was fun for them
this was about 10 years ago. it's crazy to think that a person like that in real life today would either revel in all of the dumb behavior we as a society have displayed these last few years, or that that person/group of people could very well be behind all of the dumbass excrement being peddled by our resident tards on social media
Post by: Badger on January 08, 2022, 05:02:08 PM
Post by: delavan on January 09, 2022, 06:53:34 PM
The political star
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/09/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-positive-covid-test-omicron-new-york
The Bronx Representative
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384965/AOC-reveals-COVID-partying-maskless-Miami.html
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 04:24:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JewishResister/status/1480407490034552832?t=THFWT5fj4v2vD5moqDLqTw&s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 05:23:51 PM
Reuters: U.S. issues 'Do Not Travel' warning for Canada.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-tells-americans-avoid-travel-canada-2022-01-10/
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2022, 04:19:31 AM
Stay up there you dirty whores.They say their crabs are nice/polite : )
Reuters: U.S. issues 'Do Not Travel' warning for Canada.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-tells-americans-avoid-travel-canada-2022-01-10/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2022, 12:57:11 PM
Twitter is frantically delete if this video, so source is what it is
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2022, 01:02:40 PM
https://twitter.com/yaliberty/status/1480668523944820738?s=21
so source is what it is
Just waiting for someone to criticize the source material when the likes of Aaron Rupar (gross) is apparently prime source material.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2022, 02:05:45 PM
God bless those crazy Frenchies, they're not taking prisoners. All being well they'll move to nailing the unvaccinated in their homes next.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2022, 02:09:47 PM
Quebec has announced it will be sending a bill for a supplementary healthcare tax to every resident who isn't vaccinated. They already banned anyone unvaccinated from entering an SAQ (Government retail chain for liquor, the only place where you can buy spirits in the province) which resulted in a quadrupling of daily first doses.
God bless those crazy Frenchies, they're not taking prisoners. All being well they'll move to nailing the unvaccinated in their homes next.
I tweeted the article to our useless premier....because if she had an iota of sense, she would be doing the same thing here in Manitoba.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2022, 02:58:55 PM
I tweeted the article to our useless premier....because if she had an iota of sense, she would be doing the same thing here in Manitoba.
-87 degree temp kills covid.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2022, 03:44:05 PM
Just waiting for someone to criticize the source material when the likes of Aaron Rupar (gross) is apparently prime source material.Nationalize Pfizer
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2022, 03:57:12 PM
Nationalize Pfizer
At the very least a patent waiver would be nice.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2022, 06:12:35 PM
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2022, 06:20:03 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/watch-hot-mic-catches-fauci-mutter-what-a-moron-after-clash-with-gop-sen-roger-marshall/vi-AASG7Ev
"What a maroon!..geezuscrisst.."
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Bugs_Bunny_statue_in_Butterfly_Park_Bangladesh_%2801%29.jpg/159px-Bugs_Bunny_statue_in_Butterfly_Park_Bangladesh_%2801%29.jpg)
Just waiting for someone to criticize the source material when the likes of Aaron Rupar (gross) is apparently prime source material.https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rupar
Aaron Ruper aside, 'some protection' offered by a vaxx is better than none at this point esp. with numbers spiking off the charts the way they are....n95 for starters/
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2022, 09:42:29 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 13, 2022, 01:08:00 AM
Time to look at some sad charts
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Pay wall, ya'll
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2022, 06:51:41 AM
Pay wall, ya'llWeird, it let me look yesterday. I got a dismissible pop-up though.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2022, 10:11:54 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/glenn-beck-says-he-has-covid-again-and-its-hit-his-lungs-but-hes-taking-ivermectin
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2022, 08:18:36 PM
Get owned Rogan
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2022, 10:12:58 AM
https://twitter.com/fullcontactmtwf/status/1481638689415462916?s=10
Get owned Rogan
(https://i.imgur.com/vk0rK2F.png)
Post by: delavan on January 16, 2022, 06:11:52 AM
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/jan/14/ivermectin-use-at-jail-sparks-suit/
Post by: delavan on January 17, 2022, 04:00:32 AM
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/17/1073563423/djokovic-is-on-his-way-home-to-serbia-after-deportation-from-australia
Post by: delavan on January 17, 2022, 11:04:39 AM
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-01-10/why-shouldnt-we-dance-on-the-graves-of-anti-vaxxers
get the truck outta here..
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Post by: CatoTheElder on January 17, 2022, 11:44:06 AM
Man mincing no words
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-01-10/why-shouldnt-we-dance-on-the-graves-of-anti-vaxxers
get the truck outta here..
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Paywall.
Post by: delavan on January 17, 2022, 04:41:30 PM
Column: Mocking anti-vaxxers’ COVID deaths is ghoulish, yes — but may be necessary
BY MICHAEL HILTZIKBUSINESS, LA TIMES COLUMNIST
Among all the ways that COVID-19 affects our lives, the pandemic confronts us with a profound moral dilemma:
How should we react to the deaths of the unvaccinated?
On the one hand, a hallmark of civilized thought is the sense that every life is precious.
On the other, those who have deliberately flouted sober medical advice by refusing a vaccine known to reduce the risk of serious disease from the virus, including the risk to others, and end up in the hospital or the grave can be viewed as receiving their just deserts.
"The vaccine is not the cure to Covid, and mandates won’t work."
KELLY ERNBY, BEFORE HER UNVACCINATED DEATH FROM COVID
That’s even more true of those who not only refused the vaccine for themselves, but publicly advocated that others do so.
It has become common online and in social media for vaccine refusers and anti-vaccine advocates to become the target of ridicule after they come down with COVID-19 and especially if they die from it.
Witness the subreddit HermanCainAward, which Lili Loofbourow of Slate identified in September as “a site for heartless and unrepentant schadenfreude.”
The site is named for the former Republican candidate for president who became one of the first political notables to succumb to the disease after publicly defying social distancing measures.
Like another site, sorryantivaxxer.com, the subreddit hosts snippets and photographs of anti-vaccine advocates, often taken at their deathbeds.
The issue of how to think about the deaths of unvaccinated has been thrown into high relief locally by the case of Kelly Ernby, a prominent Orange County Republican and deputy district attorney who crusaded against vaccine mandates and died of COVID around New Year’s Day, unvaccinated.
Ernby’s death promptly came to symbolize the rift in the social fabric caused by the ravages of COVID.
Some online commenters greeted her demise with glee, provoking her political friends to push back against what Ben Chapman, a Costa Mesa GOP official, called “bigotry and hate” directed against her.
I have a slightly different take.
To begin with, let’s stipulate that not all people unvaccinated against COVID are alike. Some have remained unvaccinated for legitimate medical reasons — they may be children for whom the COVID vaccines haven’t yet been officially ruled safe, or people with genuine medical reasons for avoiding the vaccine.
Some may have legitimately faced obstacles in getting to a vaccination site and receiving the full series of shots before becoming exposed to the disease.
Others may have refused the vaccine because they’ve been deceived by the misinformation and disinformation spread by the anti-vaccine crowd such as anchors on Fox News.
The deaths of all those victims are truly lamentable.
Finally, there are those who have voiced public opposition to the vaccines — not all of whom are unvaccinated themselves. Some have couched their opposition in policy terms. Ernby fell into that category — she asserted opposition not to the vaccines as such, but to vaccination mandates.
“I don’t think the government should be involved in mandating what vaccines people are taking,” she said during a livestreamed town hall on Nov. 3, 2019, during an unsuccessful campaign for the state assembly. “If the government is going to mandate vaccines, what else will they mandate?”
That town hall predated the pandemic; the mandate Ernby opposed then was a law tightening the immunization rules for California schoolchildren by eliminating exemptions based on “personal belief.”
But Ernby made clear that her opposition extended to the COVID vaccines. In August, she posted a statement on her Facebook page supporting Huntington Beach firefighters who were opposing a vaccine mandate.
“The vaccine is not the cure to Covid, and mandates won’t work,” she wrote.
It should be clear that opposing vaccine mandates as a substitute for opposing vaccination itself is a fundamentally incoherent position. It’s little more than the garden variety small-government Republican ideology. That’s what it was in Ernby’s hands.
“I want small government, I want lower taxes, I want to protect our freedoms,” she said during her discussion of vaccine mandates at that town hall.
Contrary to Ernby’s assertions, however, mandates do work. Requirements that people provide evidence of vaccination before attending public events or entering restaurants or bars have been associated with heightened vaccine rates abroad. Employer mandates in the U.S. have raised vaccination rates at workplaces, as United Airlines has shown.
As for whether a vaccination mandate is a slippery slope to more government control, as Ernby maintained, government mandates have been with us for untold decades. We require drivers to wear seat belts, cars to be equipped with air bags and drivers to observe speed limits and avoid pedestrians. We ban smoking in public places.
Vaccine mandates themselves have been part of the educational system for longer than anyone can remember in every state in the Union: California requires K-12 pupils to have as many as 20 doses of immunizations against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diphtheria, hepatitis and chicken pox.
Obviously, the mandates exist because these diseases threaten not only infected persons themselves, but the community, meaning anyone they come in contact with. That’s the folly of the anti-mandate argument: It places a perverse conception of individual “freedom” in opposition to the communal interest.
As it applies to COVID, the argument undermines communal action at precisely the moment when communal action has emerged as the only obstacle to the spread of a deadly disease. We see the harvest of this fatuous ideology in every COVID statistic.
By the way, no one has ever claimed that the COVID vaccines are a “cure” — another smidgen of misinformation Ernby purveyed. The COVID vaccines, however, have been spectacularly effective in reducing the severity of the infection, a result that appears to hold true for the extremely transmissible Omicron variant.
What’s especially iniquitous about the anti-mandate and anti-vaccination arguments is the damage they are doing to America’s public health system. Republicans like Ernby used COVID vaccines to turn public health into part of their partisan culture war.
The consequences are pernicious. They can be measured in overwhelmed emergency rooms and intensive care units, in hospital staffs burned out or rendered missing in action because they’ve been infected.
Ernby reportedly died at home, but others of her ilk took up hospital beds that may accordingly have been denied to others in great need of treatment for non-COVID conditions.
In Ernby’s home county, Orange, health authorities say that ambulances are waiting longer to offload patients into emergency rooms and at least nine hospitals have set up surge tents to increase capacity, according to my colleagues Gregory Yee and Rong-Gong Lin II.
That brings us back to the tenor of the online reaction to the deaths of Ernby and her fellow anti-vaxxers. Some of those who object to the tone of the commentary are merely voicing a variation on the “civility” argument that was commonly raised against critics of the intemperate and inhumane policies of the Trump administration.
As I observed then, pleas for “civility” are a fraud. Their goal is to blunt and enfeeble criticism and distract from its truthfulness. Typically, they’re the work of hypocrites.
Consider the objection raised against Ernby’s critics by her friend Ben Chapman: He didn’t merely decry the criticism, but attributed it to “the woke big-government mob,” thereby exploiting her death to continue her partisan culture war against a sensible public health policy.
So what, then, is the proper response to the deaths of anti-vaxxers or other determined foes of public health? First, we must acknowledge that the enemies needing to be stamped out are the misinformation, lies and stupidity being injected into the fight against COVID.
Second, we must view every one of these deaths as a teachable moment. They demonstrate in the most vivid way imaginable the folly of vaccine refusal and of flouting responsible public health measures. They underscore the dire consequences of turning public health into a partisan football.
Kelly Ernby’s friends and family ask us to remember her for her career as a public servant and as a devoted spouse and mother. But let’s not mince words: Her campaigns against public health measures negated whatever good she may have done in her other endeavors.
The policies Ernby advocated may well have contributed to the spread of COVID and to the damaging of the public health infrastructure in her own community. Even before this pandemic, she spoke out for measures that would threaten California schoolchildren with exposure to deadly childhood diseases. There were no scientific or medical grounds for her opposition to mandates; there was only political ideology.
It may be not a little ghoulish to celebrate or exult in the deaths of vaccine opponents. And it may be proper to express sympathy and solicitude to those they leave behind.
But mockery is not necessarily the wrong reaction to those who publicly mocked anti-COVID measures and encouraged others to follow suit, before they perished of the disease the dangers of which they belittled.
Nor is it wrong to deny them our sympathy and solicitude, or to make sure it’s known when their deaths are marked that they had stood fast against measures that might have protected themselves and others from the fate they succumbed to.
There may be no other way to make sure that the lessons of these teachable moments are heard.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 17, 2022, 06:46:48 PM
While TL:DR lengthy, the gist in bold (guy's right imo and pulls no punches)
Column: Mocking anti-vaxxers’ COVID deaths is ghoulish, yes — but may be necessary
BY MICHAEL HILTZIKBUSINESS, LA TIMES COLUMNIST
Among all the ways that COVID-19 affects our lives, the pandemic confronts us with a profound moral dilemma:
How should we react to the deaths of the unvaccinated?
On the one hand, a hallmark of civilized thought is the sense that every life is precious.
On the other, those who have deliberately flouted sober medical advice by refusing a vaccine known to reduce the risk of serious disease from the virus, including the risk to others, and end up in the hospital or the grave can be viewed as receiving their just deserts.
"The vaccine is not the cure to Covid, and mandates won’t work."
KELLY ERNBY, BEFORE HER UNVACCINATED DEATH FROM COVID
That’s even more true of those who not only refused the vaccine for themselves, but publicly advocated that others do so.
It has become common online and in social media for vaccine refusers and anti-vaccine advocates to become the target of ridicule after they come down with COVID-19 and especially if they die from it.
Witness the subreddit HermanCainAward, which Lili Loofbourow of Slate identified in September as “a site for heartless and unrepentant schadenfreude.”
The site is named for the former Republican candidate for president who became one of the first political notables to succumb to the disease after publicly defying social distancing measures.
Like another site, sorryantivaxxer.com, the subreddit hosts snippets and photographs of anti-vaccine advocates, often taken at their deathbeds.
The issue of how to think about the deaths of unvaccinated has been thrown into high relief locally by the case of Kelly Ernby, a prominent Orange County Republican and deputy district attorney who crusaded against vaccine mandates and died of COVID around New Year’s Day, unvaccinated.
Ernby’s death promptly came to symbolize the rift in the social fabric caused by the ravages of COVID.
Some online commenters greeted her demise with glee, provoking her political friends to push back against what Ben Chapman, a Costa Mesa GOP official, called “bigotry and hate” directed against her.
I have a slightly different take.
To begin with, let’s stipulate that not all people unvaccinated against COVID are alike. Some have remained unvaccinated for legitimate medical reasons — they may be children for whom the COVID vaccines haven’t yet been officially ruled safe, or people with genuine medical reasons for avoiding the vaccine.
Some may have legitimately faced obstacles in getting to a vaccination site and receiving the full series of shots before becoming exposed to the disease.
Others may have refused the vaccine because they’ve been deceived by the misinformation and disinformation spread by the anti-vaccine crowd such as anchors on Fox News.
The deaths of all those victims are truly lamentable.
Finally, there are those who have voiced public opposition to the vaccines — not all of whom are unvaccinated themselves. Some have couched their opposition in policy terms. Ernby fell into that category — she asserted opposition not to the vaccines as such, but to vaccination mandates.
“I don’t think the government should be involved in mandating what vaccines people are taking,” she said during a livestreamed town hall on Nov. 3, 2019, during an unsuccessful campaign for the state assembly. “If the government is going to mandate vaccines, what else will they mandate?”
That town hall predated the pandemic; the mandate Ernby opposed then was a law tightening the immunization rules for California schoolchildren by eliminating exemptions based on “personal belief.”
But Ernby made clear that her opposition extended to the COVID vaccines. In August, she posted a statement on her Facebook page supporting Huntington Beach firefighters who were opposing a vaccine mandate.
“The vaccine is not the cure to Covid, and mandates won’t work,” she wrote.
It should be clear that opposing vaccine mandates as a substitute for opposing vaccination itself is a fundamentally incoherent position. It’s little more than the garden variety small-government Republican ideology. That’s what it was in Ernby’s hands.
“I want small government, I want lower taxes, I want to protect our freedoms,” she said during her discussion of vaccine mandates at that town hall.
Contrary to Ernby’s assertions, however, mandates do work. Requirements that people provide evidence of vaccination before attending public events or entering restaurants or bars have been associated with heightened vaccine rates abroad. Employer mandates in the U.S. have raised vaccination rates at workplaces, as United Airlines has shown.
As for whether a vaccination mandate is a slippery slope to more government control, as Ernby maintained, government mandates have been with us for untold decades. We require drivers to wear seat belts, cars to be equipped with air bags and drivers to observe speed limits and avoid pedestrians. We ban smoking in public places.
Vaccine mandates themselves have been part of the educational system for longer than anyone can remember in every state in the Union: California requires K-12 pupils to have as many as 20 doses of immunizations against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diphtheria, hepatitis and chicken pox.
Obviously, the mandates exist because these diseases threaten not only infected persons themselves, but the community, meaning anyone they come in contact with. That’s the folly of the anti-mandate argument: It places a perverse conception of individual “freedom” in opposition to the communal interest.
As it applies to COVID, the argument undermines communal action at precisely the moment when communal action has emerged as the only obstacle to the spread of a deadly disease. We see the harvest of this fatuous ideology in every COVID statistic.
By the way, no one has ever claimed that the COVID vaccines are a “cure” — another smidgen of misinformation Ernby purveyed. The COVID vaccines, however, have been spectacularly effective in reducing the severity of the infection, a result that appears to hold true for the extremely transmissible Omicron variant.
What’s especially iniquitous about the anti-mandate and anti-vaccination arguments is the damage they are doing to America’s public health system. Republicans like Ernby used COVID vaccines to turn public health into part of their partisan culture war.
The consequences are pernicious. They can be measured in overwhelmed emergency rooms and intensive care units, in hospital staffs burned out or rendered missing in action because they’ve been infected.
Ernby reportedly died at home, but others of her ilk took up hospital beds that may accordingly have been denied to others in great need of treatment for non-COVID conditions.
In Ernby’s home county, Orange, health authorities say that ambulances are waiting longer to offload patients into emergency rooms and at least nine hospitals have set up surge tents to increase capacity, according to my colleagues Gregory Yee and Rong-Gong Lin II.
That brings us back to the tenor of the online reaction to the deaths of Ernby and her fellow anti-vaxxers. Some of those who object to the tone of the commentary are merely voicing a variation on the “civility” argument that was commonly raised against critics of the intemperate and inhumane policies of the Trump administration.
As I observed then, pleas for “civility” are a fraud. Their goal is to blunt and enfeeble criticism and distract from its truthfulness. Typically, they’re the work of hypocrites.
Consider the objection raised against Ernby’s critics by her friend Ben Chapman: He didn’t merely decry the criticism, but attributed it to “the woke big-government mob,” thereby exploiting her death to continue her partisan culture war against a sensible public health policy.
So what, then, is the proper response to the deaths of anti-vaxxers or other determined foes of public health? First, we must acknowledge that the enemies needing to be stamped out are the misinformation, lies and stupidity being injected into the fight against COVID.
Second, we must view every one of these deaths as a teachable moment. They demonstrate in the most vivid way imaginable the folly of vaccine refusal and of flouting responsible public health measures. They underscore the dire consequences of turning public health into a partisan football.
Kelly Ernby’s friends and family ask us to remember her for her career as a public servant and as a devoted spouse and mother. But let’s not mince words: Her campaigns against public health measures negated whatever good she may have done in her other endeavors.
The policies Ernby advocated may well have contributed to the spread of COVID and to the damaging of the public health infrastructure in her own community. Even before this pandemic, she spoke out for measures that would threaten California schoolchildren with exposure to deadly childhood diseases. There were no scientific or medical grounds for her opposition to mandates; there was only political ideology.
It may be not a little ghoulish to celebrate or exult in the deaths of vaccine opponents. And it may be proper to express sympathy and solicitude to those they leave behind.
But mockery is not necessarily the wrong reaction to those who publicly mocked anti-COVID measures and encouraged others to follow suit, before they perished of the disease the dangers of which they belittled.
Nor is it wrong to deny them our sympathy and solicitude, or to make sure it’s known when their deaths are marked that they had stood fast against measures that might have protected themselves and others from the fate they succumbed to.
There may be no other way to make sure that the lessons of these teachable moments are heard.
Gracias
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 18, 2022, 03:09:40 PM
FYI, you can order 4 free tests shipped to your house, took 30 seconds to do
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 18, 2022, 03:19:23 PM
Lol Never Forget
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
https://twitter.com/mkarolian/status/1467959999645298697?s=21
Lol Never Forget
.....that when it comes to ways of effectively handling covid, or indeed pretty much anything else, the UK is one of the last countries to look to for inspiration and guidance.
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2022, 11:08:10 PM
.....that when it comes to ways of effectively handling covid, or indeed pretty much anything else, the UK is one of the last countries to look to for inspiration and guidance.Irrelevant to the fact the White House press sec mocked an extremely feasible and advisable suggestion.
But that's par for the course with neoliberals.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 07:18:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 07:19:23 AM
Irrelevant to the fact the White House press sec mocked an extremely feasible and advisable suggestion.
But that's par for the course with neoliberals.
Feedback was so bad they had to do a complete 180 over the course of a few weeks.
The fact that she mocked it as implausible… when it very clearly was not…
Post by: delavan on January 19, 2022, 07:34:49 AM
Feedback was so bad they had to do a complete 180 over the course of a few weeks.
The fact that she mocked it as implausible… when it very clearly was not…
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Post by: reuben on January 19, 2022, 03:17:34 PM
thoughts & prayers
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2022, 08:30:45 PM
Irrelevant to the fact the White House press sec mocked an extremely feasible and advisable suggestion.
But that's par for the course with neoliberals.
But a pointless one. Sending free tests out to everyone costs a lot of money and achieves very little, other than making people feel like someone's doing something.
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2022, 10:25:57 PM
Sending free tests out to everyone costs a lot of money and achieves very little,
Thank you for this opinion Ms. Thatcher
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2022, 09:20:00 AM
Thank you for this opinion Ms. Thatcher
Uh, you're welcome Uncle Joe?
But it isn't so much an opinion as an informed fact. "They give tests away for free in the UK, why can't we do that?" isn't really a very well thought out question. "They give tests away for free in the UK, how has that helped with things?" is much more pertinent, and the answer is that it hasn't. In fact it has been counterproductive in a number of ways:
- it has helped justify vaccine avoidance ("I'll just do a test every day instead")
- it has been used as a tool to help people and employers skirt regulations ("I can't afford you not to come into work and if you end up taking time off because you catch covid I'll probably have to bring someone else in to do your work instead, so make sure you bring proof of a negative test result in once a week to show you don't have it and that way we're all covered if HSE come asking me")
- some authorities allow a negative test result instead of a vaccine certificate for entry to things like sporting events, resulting in plague rats just opening a test, punching the number in online, reporting it as negative and downloading the official certificate of a negative test result
I'm a little surprised that our resident champion of workers rights hasn't figured out the extensive issues with this, TBH. "Huuuuuur government give free stuff now" doesn't really help if you haven't bothered to think through why, and what the likely outcomes of it are.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2022, 09:41:26 AM
(https://i.redd.it/tm66q2ny0nc81.jpg)
thoughts & prayers
It is interesting how lots of people have this mindset that it's over, and understandably most people are either vaccinated or delusional so they don't need to stress it.
But morgues are starting to consistently get over capacity. I work for a large public hospital and they had to start stacking bodies because the morgue was full, and still had to shut that mother fucker down.
If there's another major variant, I think healthcare completely melts down
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2022, 10:32:34 AM
Uh, you're welcome Uncle Joe?
But it isn't so much an opinion as an informed fact. "They give tests away for free in the UK, why can't we do that?" isn't really a very well thought out question. "They give tests away for free in the UK, how has that helped with things?" is much more pertinent, and the answer is that it hasn't. In fact it has been counterproductive in a number of ways:
- it has helped justify vaccine avoidance ("I'll just do a test every day instead")
- it has been used as a tool to help people and employers skirt regulations ("I can't afford you not to come into work and if you end up taking time off because you catch covid I'll probably have to bring someone else in to do your work instead, so make sure you bring proof of a negative test result in once a week to show you don't have it and that way we're all covered if HSE come asking me")
- some authorities allow a negative test result instead of a vaccine certificate for entry to things like sporting events, resulting in plague rats just opening a test, punching the number in online, reporting it as negative and downloading the official certificate of a negative test result
I'm a little surprised that our resident champion of workers rights hasn't figured out the extensive issues with this, TBH. "Huuuuuur government give free stuff now" doesn't really help if you haven't bothered to think through why, and what the likely outcomes of it are.
You're conflating a lot of things, none of which prove any point.
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2022, 10:36:14 AM
You're conflating a lot of things, none of which prove any point.
I'm just telling you exactly what has happened in the region you're encouraging the US to take its guidance from. It seems not unlikely that at least some of the same results will be achieved.
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2022, 10:42:01 AM
I'm just telling you exactly what has happened in the region you're encouraging the US to take its guidance from.
Ah, so that's why it didn't make any sense. Because I don't care what the UK did and it's not relevant to my position on providing people who want them with free kits.
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2022, 10:44:18 AM
Ah, so that's why it didn't make any sense. Because I don't care what the UK did and it's not relevant to my position on providing people who want them with free kits.
My bad. I forgot about the American exceptionalism clause.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2022, 10:53:25 AM
Now it's kind of irrelevant. The whole point of the free kits is to smooth out the surge so you don't have 20 to 40 million people infected over a 4 week span
At this point by the time people get the free kits it'll be entirely useless
Post by: delavan on January 20, 2022, 11:56:12 AM
I think the free test thing made sense before Thanksgiving Christmas and new years.
Now it's kind of irrelevant. The whole point of the free kits is to smooth out the surge so you don't have 20 to 40 million people infected over a 4 week span
At this point by the time people get the free kits it'll be entirely useless
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Emergency_contraceptive_or_The_morning_after_pill.jpg/240px-Emergency_contraceptive_or_The_morning_after_pill.jpg)
at the same time, the above tęte-ŕ-tęte was a fun read : )
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2022, 06:34:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2022, 08:54:53 AM
"They should have done it earlier" is a more valid argument than "it's not worth it."
Correct.
I don’t see how you can say this won’t be helpful when it takes a week to schedule a test or takes hours of waiting to actually get tested. I don’t live in a densely populated area either. I’ve seen some insane excrement in the NY area.
If we’re saying they should have done this much sooner, yes, I agree. Been saying that.
It also has nothing to do with the UK, other countries are doing this too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2022, 08:55:51 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2022, 09:01:19 AM
This literally only happened because Psaki got owned in a viral video and made herself and by extension the Biden admin look like complete cunts. Full stop.
What only happened?
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2022, 09:02:09 AM
Correct.
I don’t see how you can say this won’t be helpful when it takes a week to schedule a test or takes hours of waiting to actually get tested. I don’t live in a densely populated area either. I’ve seen some insane excrement in the NY area.
If we’re saying they should have done this much sooner, yes, I agree. Been saying that.
It also has nothing to do with the UK, other countries are doing this too.
I've already explained why it won't be helpful, or rather why it has proven to be a net downside. There are lots of other reasons as well, such as the massive unreliability of these tests leading to inadvertently counterproductive behaviours e.g. symptomatic people testing negative and deciding that means they can get on with their lives despite the very high chance of that negative test result being incorrect, and the excuse it provides for not scaling up and providing worthwhile public testing infrastructure.
It's very typically American though to say "I don't care what the result has been elsewhere because we're so very different".
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 09:05:50 AM
Correct.
I don’t see how you can say this won’t be helpful when it takes a week to schedule a test or takes hours of waiting to actually get tested. I don’t live in a densely populated area either. I’ve seen some insane excrement in the NY area.
If we’re saying they should have done this much sooner, yes, I agree. Been saying that.
It also has nothing to do with the UK, other countries are doing this too.
We've had to do 3-4 tests at home recently (due to close contacts for my wife and kids) that we wouldn't have been able to do as easily if the schools hadn't provided free tests for us. There's no meaningful downside to providing them.
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 09:08:17 AM
I've already explained why it won't be helpful, or rather why it has proven to be a net downside. There are lots of other reasons as well, such as the massive unreliability of these tests leading to inadvertently counterproductive behaviours e.g. symptomatic people testing negative and deciding that means they can get on with their lives despite the very high chance of that negative test result being incorrect, and the excuse it provides for not scaling up and providing worthwhile public testing infrastructure.
So far your primary argument has been "because people don't know how to act right". Not a convincing argument for why I shouldn't have this.
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2022, 09:16:00 AM
So far your primary argument has been "because people don't know how to act right". Not a convincing argument for why I shouldn't have this.
I literally told you exactly why it's a bad idea for you to have it, but do you.
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 09:23:47 AM
I literally told you exactly why it's a bad idea for you to have it, but do you.Yes, and none of it was correct.
People with poor judgement will be that way whether or not they have tests. Bad employers will be that way whether or not their employees have tests.
Nobody's situation is made worse by them having an at home test.
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
Yes, and none of it was correct.
People with poor judgement will be that way whether or not they have tests. Bad employers will be that way whether or not their employees have tests.
Right. So you have a sore throat one morning and you have to go somewhere to do something. You take a test and it comes up negative. What do you do?
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 09:25:33 AM
Right. So you have a sore throat one morning and you have to go somewhere to do something. You take a test and it comes up negative. What do you do?Stay home and jack off
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2022, 09:26:08 AM
Stay home and jack off
So the test was a complete waste of time then.
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 09:33:44 AM
So the test was a complete waste of time then.Not for me, it's a license to jack
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Not for me, it's a license to jack
Make no mistake...he's yanking his crank, positive or negative. Inconclusive result? Still blasting.
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 09:55:10 AM
Make no mistake...he's yanking his crank, positive or negative. Inconclusive result? Still blasting.That's what happened in the UK, and thus established policy for the world.
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2022, 09:57:32 AM
That's what happened in the UK, and thus established policy for the world.
It was already well established that British people are wankers.
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 12:43:30 PM
https://twitter.com/TheJetSetNerd/status/1484549054227009538?t=f4FXOCGMz0Vq6p-mb-4kqg&s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2022, 12:55:07 PM
Normal peopleIt's ok, she didn't mean it as it was perceived.
https://twitter.com/TheJetSetNerd/status/1484549054227009538?t=f4FXOCGMz0Vq6p-mb-4kqg&s=19
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1484585960855670784?t=sQ4Pa-p78eLfv8AjR8w_Og&s=19
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2022, 04:32:31 PM
Informative stuff from NYC ER doc
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2022, 04:35:47 PM
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-omicron-peak-nyc-cases-symptoms-breakthrough-infection-death/3502695/Yeah, but only if you ignore the vast number they're hiding from you of people who have died from just thinking about getting vaccinated.
Informative stuff from NYC ER doc
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 21, 2022, 07:22:15 PM
Yeah, but only if you ignore the vast number they're hiding from you of people who have died from just thinking about getting vaccinated.
How many of the vaccinated have enlarge testicles?
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 21, 2022, 09:20:03 PM
How many of the vaccinated have enlarge testicles?
only the ones that werent vaccinated against the mumps
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2022, 08:26:45 AM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4512129/china-anal-swabs-covid-mandatory-winter-olympics/
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NINTCHDBPICT000632870798.jpg?w=620)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 23, 2022, 02:24:04 PM
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1485285820990992390?t=yyneQpcCNMLUFMad-vKPPQ&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
https://twitter.com/TheoLawson_SR/status/1485252709099851780?t=h4y9sdjH0JGiqUtSAMCsUA&s=19
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1485285820990992390?t=yyneQpcCNMLUFMad-vKPPQ&s=19
If it's "highly recorded" I'm sure he'll be happy to point us in the direction of where.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 23, 2022, 02:35:25 PM
If it's "highly recorded" I'm sure he'll be happy to point us in the direction of where.Naa, if you just make up some excrement, it's true.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 23, 2022, 03:41:53 PM
Post by: delavan on January 23, 2022, 05:55:02 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2022/01/23/anti-vaccine-mandate-protest-rfk-jr-proud-boys-and-holocaust-imagery/?sh=60acfca7942e
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2022, 11:03:28 AM
https://twitter.com/TheoLawson_SR/status/1485252709099851780?t=h4y9sdjH0JGiqUtSAMCsUA&s=19
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1485285820990992390?t=yyneQpcCNMLUFMad-vKPPQ&s=19
If it's "highly recorded" I'm sure he'll be happy to point us in the direction of where.https://twitter.com/bpgrilli/status/1485309692993802240?t=KVQGeBWZUN8Z399IP2ez9w&s=19
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2022, 06:48:56 AM
Post by: delavan on January 25, 2022, 07:13:30 AM
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jan/25/boris-johnson-birthday-party-live-news-partygate-covid-coronavirus-omicron-politics
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2022, 09:46:08 AM
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2022, 10:26:21 PM
https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1481320906769276929?t=AhHSS5TYlStDx2w0fyLeZw&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
Oh excrement, he just blew the covidspiracy wide open
https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1481320906769276929?t=AhHSS5TYlStDx2w0fyLeZw&s=19
That dudes haircut has me crying
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2022, 11:07:18 PM
Oh excrement, he just blew the covidspiracy wide open
https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1481320906769276929?t=AhHSS5TYlStDx2w0fyLeZw&s=19
How much better off would we all be if you got rid of all political parties and elections and just had a freaking IQ test with the highest scores getting office.
Democracy doesn't work when the average person should be wearing a helmet when they need to leave the house.
I don't care what team you're on, people with this level of idiocy need to be terminated
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2022, 06:06:42 AM
How much better off would we all be if you got rid of all political parties and elections and just had a freaking IQ test with the highest scores getting office.
Democracy doesn't work when the average person should be wearing a helmet when they need to leave the house.
I don't care what team you're on, people with this level of idiocy need to be terminated
You'd probably end up with a government of Hillary/Cruz/Buttigieg freaks.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2022, 06:15:12 AM
That dudes haircut has me cryingNot sure that's a hairCUT, more just a rearrangement of depleted resources.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 27, 2022, 06:49:30 AM
That dudes haircut has me crying
The thinning skullet
Post by: dcm1602 on January 27, 2022, 08:52:42 AM
You'd probably end up with a government of Hillary/Cruz/Buttigieg freaks.
Do you think Cruz is brilliant? And I just assume Clinton was in power from dirty corruption. Her husband's career was obviously built on charisma and personality not his brain
(okay turns out Cruz is probably one of the most intelligent politicians, who the freak knew)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 27, 2022, 09:39:06 AM
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
Do you think Cruz is brilliant? And I just assume Clinton was in power from dirty corruption. Her husband's career was obviously built on charisma and personality not his brain
(okay turns out Cruz is probably one of the most intelligent politicians, who the freak knew)
I wouldn't use that word because brilliant is too complimentary but objectively speaking I think he's very smart. And a slimeball.
Post by: delavan on January 27, 2022, 11:44:19 AM
That dudes haircut has me cryingYou're being kind
comb-over strands atop his head over/under 23
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2022, 12:17:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2022, 12:19:31 PM
As a middle aged man with longish hair and a growing bald spot I feel personally attacked right now.
There's a difference between a growing bald spot and a shrinking hair strip
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2022, 10:01:53 AM
https://twitter.com/jeremyfaust/status/1486915655500804099?t=C1lSenl516oPhnHfzUrHtw&s=19
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 10:05:45 AM
Yikes
https://twitter.com/jeremyfaust/status/1486915655500804099?t=C1lSenl516oPhnHfzUrHtw&s=19
this pandemic will continue to exist until vaccinations are mandated across the board. I don't give a excrement about anyone's freedom anymore. Get vaccinated or die.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 10:16:12 AM
Austria has the right idea.
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2022, 10:30:21 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60077767
Austria has the right idea.
Theoretically I'm not opposed but I don't really see the point. You can't strap people down and inject them.
I'm much more keen on massively restricting their ability to go anywhere or do anything. Whether they get the jab is up to them, but they aren't allowed into any premises other than their own home until they have. Groceries will need to be delivered and will be dropped outside their homes so they don't have contact with the delivery driver. Fulfilling your basic responsibility to society is the price for being able to be part of it.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
this pandemic will continue to exist until vaccinations are mandated across the board. I don't give a excrement about anyone's freedom anymore. Get vaccinated or die.Or it just burns through the population and mutates into something less fatal. Which is no guarantee but more likely than herding cats.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2022, 11:27:13 AM
Theoretically I'm not opposed but I don't really see the point. You can't strap people down and inject them.
I'm much more keen on massively restricting their ability to go anywhere or do anything. Whether they get the jab is up to them, but they aren't allowed into any premises other than their own home until they have. Groceries will need to be delivered and will be dropped outside their homes so they don't have contact with the delivery driver. Fulfilling your basic responsibility to society is the price for being able to be part of it.
Presumably the point isn't to strap people down and give them the vaccine. Presumably once there's a mandatory mandate in place, you now have the legal authority to massively restrict their ability to go anywhere or do anything.
A mandate along the lines of anyone caught outside without a vaccine gets fined up the derriere and or prison or something archaic sounds lovely.
I'm still personally a fan of anyone who isn't vaccinated becomes a self pay for all medical care received the next 2 years
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2022, 11:46:00 AM
Presumably the point isn't to strap people down and give them the vaccine. Presumably once there's a mandatory mandate in place, you now have the legal authority to massively restrict their ability to go anywhere or do anything.
A mandate along the lines of anyone caught outside without a vaccine gets fined up the derriere and or prison or something archaic sounds lovely.
I'm still personally a fan of anyone who isn't vaccinated becomes a self pay for all medical care received the next 2 years
Problem with that is that it's retrospective - making these dickheads bankrupt after you've saved their lives doesn't ease the burden on the medical system when they turn up at the doors of Emergency needing lifesaving treatment, and unless you're proposing leaving them in the parking lot to die unless they first hand over their credit card and deeds to their house I'm not sure it really helps anything, because part of the vaccine refusal mentality is a belief that a) they won't get covid and b) if they do it won't be serious, so the fear of massive medical bills isn't really any kind of deterrent.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 11:46:40 AM
Along with being restricted to do anything where the general public is involved.
I'm tired of these imbeciles whining and resisiting...but when they get sick, they're the first in line at the ER. freak that.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 11:47:27 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2022, 11:55:09 AM
I'm actually in agreement with dcm....pass the law and if you get covid without proof of vaccination, you relinquish your right for Healthcare.
Along with being restricted to do anything where the general public is involved.
I'm tired of these imbeciles whining and resisiting...but when they get sick, they're the first in line at the ER. freak that.
I wouldn't remove their right to healthcare, but I'd make them lowest priority on triage. If there are post op patients needing the ICU bed then sorry Mr Plague Rat, you're just going to have to lie here on this ward and hope that your lungs hold up long enough for one to come free. You were given every opportunity to not be here and you chose not to take it. Well done on exercising your freedom that you were so keen on.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 11:57:48 AM
I wouldn't remove their right to healthcare, but I'd make them lowest priority on triage. If there are post op patients needing the ICU bed then sorry Mr Plague Rat, you're just going to have to lie here on this ward and hope that your lungs hold up long enough for one to come free. You were given every opportunity to not be here and you chose not to take it. Well done on exercising your freedom that you were so keen on.That's too much extra work and overhead.
You got covid and refused vaccination? This security guard will escort you out.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2022, 11:59:00 AM
A mandate along the lines of anyone caught outside without a vaccine gets fined up the derriere and or prison or something archaic sounds lovely.
I'm still personally a fan of anyone who isn't vaccinated becomes a self pay for all medical care received the next 2 years
I'm actually in agreement with dcm....pass the law and if you get covid without proof of vaccination, you relinquish your right for Healthcare.
Liberalism is a disease
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 12:01:28 PM
Time to get tough, man.
Liberalism is a disease
2 years into this and we're still freaking around.
When people refuse to be reasoned with, it's time for drastic measures.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2022, 12:06:47 PM
I'm actually in agreement with dcm....pass the law and if you get covid without proof of vaccination, you relinquish your right for Healthcare.
Along with being restricted to do anything where the general public is involved.
I'm tired of these imbeciles whining and resisiting...but when they get sick, they're the first in line at the ER. freak that.
No. Absolutely not. This is an awful freaking precedent to set in any situation.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 12:15:56 PM
No. Absolutely not. This is an awful freaking precedent to set in any situation.Sorry...drastic consequences are required to get out of this. That's where we're at.
People are dying due to selfish choices. The line has to be drawn.
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2022, 01:14:07 PM
Rights may be absolute but they can also be withheld. The right to liberty can be overridden by incarceration when someone has committed a suitably serious offense, in order to a) rehabilitate them and b) protect the rest of society from them. I don't see why a right to healthcare couldn't be equally restricted in order to protect the rest of society.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 01:28:41 PM
I think that where an individual's choices to not take preventative healthcare actions that are free, widely available and very well publicised and understood impact upon the ability to deliver essential care to others who did take those actions, it is reasonable to take actions that favour the one being disadvantaged.
Rights may be absolute but they can also be withheld. The right to liberty can be overridden by incarceration when someone has committed a suitably serious offense, in order to a) rehabilitate them and b) protect the rest of society from them. I don't see why a right to healthcare couldn't be equally restricted in order to protect the rest of society.
Correct.
I keep imagining what it would be like to work in Health Care right now. What a disaster.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2022, 01:39:17 PM
Problem with that is that it's retrospective - making these dickheads bankrupt after you've saved their lives doesn't ease the burden on the medical system when they turn up at the doors of Emergency needing lifesaving treatment, and unless you're proposing leaving them in the parking lot to die unless they first hand over their credit card and deeds to their house I'm not sure it really helps anything, because part of the vaccine refusal mentality is a belief that a) they won't get covid and b) if they do it won't be serious, so the fear of massive medical bills isn't really any kind of deterrent.
Sure but what's an outright mandate going to do? Unless you're sending someone door to door with assault rifles giving out vaccines and throwing people in prison the second they walk outdoors, odds are any punishments will be retrospective and take months to happen anyway.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2022, 01:39:59 PM
Correct.
I keep imagining what it would be like to work in Health Care right now. What a disaster.
It's a lot like getting fucked in the derriere by everyone on this board
At the same time.
Except by people with bigger dicks
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2022, 01:48:58 PM
I wouldn't remove their right to healthcare, but I'd make them lowest priority on triage. If there are post op patients needing the ICU bed then sorry Mr Plague Rat, you're just going to have to lie here on this ward and hope that your lungs hold up long enough for one to come free. You were given every opportunity to not be here and you chose not to take it. Well done on exercising your freedom that you were so keen on.
This is an argument that I've brought up before.
While I support this, the vast majority of people using Healthcare resources are irresponsible freaking assholes.
I guarantee in my hospital right now over 75% of the patients are there because of either smoking, horribly controlled diabetes, not taking their prescribed medications, never seeing a doctor, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, or acute (or acute on chronic) heart failure.
Are people who refuse to get vaccinated extremely irresponsible assholes? Absolutely, but statistically speaking the odds of you dying from covid even as an unvaccinated person are less likely than dying from alcohol abuse smoking etc etc (assuming you partake in these activities)
And yes this doesn't acknowledge that antivaxxers are a threat to the entirety of society which is a completely valid point.
We could have ridiculously spectacular healthcare and a fraction of the cost if it wasn't for freaking degenerates using all of the resources, And it's well studied/researchered the negative impact of healthcare super users
(ironically the distribution of healthcare resources used isn't very different from the wealth distribution in this country. The top 10% using somewhere between 50-70%)
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2022, 02:17:07 PM
This is an argument that I've brought up before.
While I support this, the vast majority of people using Healthcare resources are irresponsible freaking assholes.
I guarantee in my hospital right now over 75% of the patients are there because of either smoking, horribly controlled diabetes, not taking their prescribed medications, never seeing a doctor, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, or acute (or acute on chronic) heart failure.
Are people who refuse to get vaccinated extremely irresponsible assholes? Absolutely, but statistically speaking the odds of you dying from covid even as an unvaccinated person are less likely than dying from alcohol abuse smoking etc etc (assuming you partake in these activities)
And yes this doesn't acknowledge that antivaxxers are a threat to the entirety of society which is a completely valid point.
We could have ridiculously spectacular healthcare and a fraction of the cost if it wasn't for freaking degenerates using all of the resources, And it's well studied/researchered the negative impact of healthcare super users
(ironically the distribution of healthcare resources used isn't very different from the wealth distribution in this country. The top 10% using somewhere between 50-70%)
Yes, but the healthcare system is right sized to account for the obese, the smokers, the people who are bad at hang gliding, and so on. They also haven't gone anywhere, so now the sudden rush of covid cases is what causes the strain on the system, not the people who are already planned for.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2022, 03:30:22 PM
Finning them? Not letting them sit or be inside at bars/restaurants/movie theaters/gyms? Fine. Letting them die painfully? not so much.
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2022, 03:33:19 PM
I'm not going to say much more than this because I don't want to continuously see people advocating for it, but the precedent for removing access to health care is an awful one, even if the targeted population is one who I feel is doing serious harm.
Finning them? Not letting them sit or be inside at bars/restaurants/movie theaters/gyms? Fine. Letting them die painfully? not so much.
I agree with you, right up to the point at which the alleviation of their suffering is at the price of someone else who is vaccinated having to suffer instead, be it from covid or anything else. Cancelling life saving operations and treatments because ICUs and the staff needed to run them are all being consumed by people who felt they didn't need to get vaccinated, is unacceptable.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 04:26:44 PM
I'm not going to say much more than this because I don't want to continuously see people advocating for it, but the precedent for removing access to health care is an awful one, even if the targeted population is one who I feel is doing serious harm.This line of thinking is counterproductive and incorrect.
Finning them? Not letting them sit or be inside at bars/restaurants/movie theaters/gyms? Fine. Letting them die painfully? not so much.
The cognitive dissonance among antivaxxers shouldn't be met with a Healthcare safety net after they get infected.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2022, 04:53:56 PM
This line of thinking is counterproductive and incorrect.
Bad hill to die on. Healthcare should be an inalienable right. It's one thing if your resources are maxed out and you have to start excluding people because you can't save everyone, it's another to withhold care punitively.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2022, 05:23:06 PM
This line of thinking is counterproductive and incorrect.
The cognitive dissonance among antivaxxers shouldn't be met with a Healthcare safety net after they get infected.
So your solution is to allow them to remain in the public at large as an infection vector? It's not like they stop existing once they are infected or sick.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 28, 2022, 05:24:56 PM
Bad hill to die on. Healthcare should be an inalienable right. It's one thing if your resources are maxed out and you have to start excluding people because you can't save everyone, it's another to withhold care punitively.
Yes. This.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2022, 07:01:15 PM
So your solution is to allow them to remain in the public at large as an infection vector? It's not like they stop existing once they are infected or sick.No..they can return to their hovels. Whether they live or die is up to fate.
But hospital beds and resources should be reserved for people that are following health orders and getting vaccinated.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2022, 12:48:09 AM
Bad hill to die on. Healthcare should be an inalienable right. It's one thing if your resources are maxed out and you have to start excluding people because you can't save everyone, it's another to withhold care punitively.
I'm not here for a debate on Medicare for all, as I'm cool with universal health care.
The question is what limits should there be on healthcare? Healthcare is an inalienable right, sure I'm okay with that. But anything goes 100% and you shouldn't pay anything at all ever? Absolutely not.
I'm not big on the "if you don't experience it first hand you don't know" bullshit. But the amount of waste neglect and pure bullshit in Healthcare is absolutely freaking astronomicsl.
There needs to be limits on futile care, and there needs to be some kind of incentive/punishment on bad behavior. Who and how the freak that should be determined, good freaking luck. But unlimited healthcare for everyone no matter what no matter the cost just means worse care for everyone else
Especially when most healthcare organizations are not for profit, so wasted resources on excrement would just be reinvested to everyone else.
(im also cool with eliminating for profit healthcare organizations)
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2022, 09:15:26 AM
No..they can return to their hovels. Whether they live or die is up to fate.
We already do this in the US for the uninsured.
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2022, 09:20:15 AM
I'm more sympathetic to this.
We already do this in the US for the uninsured.
I'm not towards people who are openly in revolt against vaccines then proceed to take away hospital beds from people who needed them for other reasons.
Post by: delavan on January 29, 2022, 02:22:19 PM
I'm more sympathetic to this.
I'm not towards people who are openly in revolt against vaccines
then proceed to take away hospital beds from people who needed them for other reasons.
Yup, I'm losing patience with those patients.........their choice:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/s3Klt17UqDYyI/giphy.gif)
- OR -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGcdlIDdjwxbjrO0/giphy.gif)
Post by: delavan on January 30, 2022, 09:37:53 AM
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2020/05/inv006377
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2017/10/opp1180267
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2022, 09:31:49 AM
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2022, 11:02:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 06:11:28 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 08, 2022, 06:36:31 PM
Sounds like NY is dropping its mask mandate tomorrow.RIP
Post by: delavan on February 08, 2022, 08:38:54 PM
Wear a mask (I do, even with my exceptional good looks). Or, stay the freak home..
Get vexed + bolstered or, stay the freak home..
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2022, 09:24:39 PM
Surely they can't all be going to the gym at the same time
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2022, 06:10:29 AM
Outside of mass transit, where the freak are all these people going where they're all bunched up in close quarters anyway?Concerts, church, Costco, bars, clubs....
Surely they can't all be going to the gym at the same time
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
Concerts, church, Costco, bars, clubs....
Rick's
Post by: delavan on February 09, 2022, 05:21:13 PM
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-03/garcetti-says-he-held-his-breath-during-maskless-photos-at-nfl-game
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1489029202452094978
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 09:29:59 PM
This mf spittin
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
RIP Denmark
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2022, 12:39:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1491723356315529217?s=20
RIP Denmark
I do wish stuff like this had more broken down data.
What percentage were unvaccinated, what percentage had a horrible quality of life/severe chronic illness etc etc.
I think in addition it the obvious understanding what percentage of people getting severe covid are supremely dumb fucks. But I think it's important to also have a better understanding of the quality of lives lost.
I've definitely come to a better understanding that there's a ton of people out there who are better off dead. And I don't mean that in an zomg I hate them I hope they die kind of way
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2022, 12:57:16 PM
I do wish stuff like this had more broken down data.I appreciate that more data would be better, but there's not much that could mitigate the raw numbers here. Especially after 2 years of this.
What percentage were unvaccinated, what percentage had a horrible quality of life/severe chronic illness etc etc.
I think in addition it the obvious understanding what percentage of people getting severe covid are supremely dumb fucks. But I think it's important to also have a better understanding of the quality of lives lost.
I've definitely come to a better understanding that there's a ton of people out there who are better off dead. And I don't mean that in an zomg I hate them I hope they die kind of way
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2022, 02:07:40 PM
I appreciate that more data would be better, but there's not much that could mitigate the raw numbers here. Especially after 2 years of this.
Well nothing would mitigate the sheer quantity of the numbers. It would substantiate/mitigate how much of a freak anyone should give.
Post by: delavan on February 10, 2022, 03:32:19 PM
"Kys mine lungens!"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Anja_Nissen.jpg/169px-Anja_Nissen.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2022, 03:51:08 PM
Lol. Covid reparations.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2022, 06:38:11 PM
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/covid-reparations-rcna15501
Lol. Covid reparations.
A blogger with a communications degree. What else would you expect
Might be time to pay all the HCWs some "reparations" for having to deal with all these freaking retards who don't believe in medicine
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2022, 08:18:35 AM
Quote
“I’m risking everything I have,” said Jake Klassen, 39, who has been a truck driver for nearly two decades and drives three weeks of the month hauling loads to the U.S. as an owner-operator. “I want to be able to have my own choice.”
Klassen has two campers and his black semi trailer at the Emerson blockade. They could potentially be seized; Klassen described Trudeau’s move to invoke emergency powers as a “scare tactic” so “they can take everything from us,” he said.
Klassen said he hasn’t been able to visit his nine-year-old daughter in months. She is receiving palliative care at St. Amant, a care residence in Winnipeg, but due to restrictions that require visitors to be fully vaccinated, Klassen and his wife can’t see her.
“This is something worth fighting for,” he said.
https://financialpost.com/news/economy/protesters-defy-trudeaus-emergency-powers-with-border-blockades
Post by: MBGreen on February 15, 2022, 08:38:10 AM
These people need to be locked up. Someone with this level of mental illness can't be allowed the responsibility to operate a 70,000lb death machine.
https://financialpost.com/news/economy/protesters-defy-trudeaus-emergency-powers-with-border-blockades
Imagine choosing not to be vaccinated in lieu of visiting your daughter who doesn't have long to live.
what a freaking jackass.
Post by: Badger on February 15, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
Imagine choosing not to be vaccinated in lieu of visiting your daughter who doesn't have long to live.
what a freaking jackass.
Using my parent card to declare that they are bad parents.
Post by: MBGreen on February 15, 2022, 10:26:55 AM
Using my parent card to declare that they are bad parents.
you don't even need a parent card to know these assholes are bad parents....just a functioning IQ.
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2022, 10:55:23 AM
Using my parent card to declare that they are bad parents.
People who drop their dog off at a shelter because it's terminally ill are the scum of the earth. Doing the same thing to a 9 year old..... freak me.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2022, 11:43:51 AM
These people need to be locked up. Someone with this level of mental illness can't be allowed the responsibility to operate a 70,000lb death machine.
https://financialpost.com/news/economy/protesters-defy-trudeaus-emergency-powers-with-border-blockades
Damn, that's impressive. Might be best for his daughter to have a caring nurse she doesn't know to be her parent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 15, 2022, 12:48:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 15, 2022, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: delavan on February 15, 2022, 01:03:49 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Liebherr_mobile_crane_450T%2C_Brisbane.jpg/354px-Liebherr_mobile_crane_450T%2C_Brisbane.jpg)
cherrypicking
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 10:55:52 AM
But the excrement happening in Canada is insane right now. I understand the protestors are a bunch of Cunts, but they're basically enacting like freaking wartime powers. The ability to let banks freeze all of your assets without a court order because of you somehow supporting these activities.
Canada has long enjoyed a reputation that could be severely damaged by all of this
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 10:58:31 AM
I don't know if this belongs here or international news
But the excrement happening in Canada is insane right now. I understand the protestors are a bunch of Cunts, but they're basically enacting like freaking wartime powers. The ability to let banks freeze all of your assets without a court order because of you somehow supporting these activities.
Canada has long enjoyed a reputation that could be severely damaged by all of this
don't fall for the propaganda. The War Measures Act was retired in the 80s after last being used in 1970....and was replaced with the Emergencies Act in 1988. All it does is give the police a little more wiggle room, and it still answers to the Charter of Rights/Freedoms.
The horseshit article that came out of the New York Times was completely false....
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:03:47 AM
I don't know if this belongs here or international news
But the excrement happening in Canada is insane right now. I understand the protestors are a bunch of Cunts, but they're basically enacting like freaking wartime powers. The ability to let banks freeze all of your assets without a court order because of you somehow supporting these activities.
Canada has long enjoyed a reputation that could be severely damaged by all of this
You know why those powers might be used? To prevent the foreign financing of insurrections. Like, ooh, I dunno, donations by US citizens via a US funding organization to support an illegal occupation of a Canadian city.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:06:37 AM
don't fall for the propaganda. The War Measures Act was retired in the 80s after last being used in 1970....and was replaced with the Emergencies Act in 1988. All it does is give the police a little more wiggle room, and it still answers to the Charter of Rights/Freedoms.
The horseshit article that came out of the New York Times was completely false....
I don't know about the NYT article, but a lot of the talk seems centered on banking and financial services. And that part seems incredibly real. I'm sure the legal semantics may have to be worked out, but this seems highly controversial
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:07:42 AM
I don't know about the NYT article, but a lot of the talk seems centered on banking and financial services. And that part seems incredibly real. I'm sure the legal semantics may have to be worked out, but this seems highly controversial
It was the perfect response to this dumbfuckery. Also, see JE's last post in the thread.
Manitoba's economy was losing 73 million per day due to that blockade at the border. This had to stop asap.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:08:32 AM
You know why those powers might be used? To prevent the foreign financing of insurrections. Like, ooh, I dunno, donations by US citizens via a US funding organization to support an illegal occupation of a Canadian city.
Where do you draw the line from an insurrection and peaceful protest? Who determines that? What about a conflict of interest when they're on the opposing side of the aisle.
Imagine if Trump did this with BLM supporters when all that excrement happened with CHAZ.
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
Where do you draw the line from an insurrection and peaceful protest? Imagine if Trump did this with BLM supporters when all that excrement happened with CHAZ.
this wasn't a peaceful protest (see my last post)....4 protesters at the Alberta border blockade were arrested because they were planning to murder RCMP officers. Body armor, hand guns, rifles and ammunition were seized.
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:14:02 AM
this will shed some light as to why the Emergencies Act was invoked.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:15:28 AM
Where do you draw the line from an insurrection and peaceful protest? Who determines that? What about a conflict of interest when they're on the opposing side of the aisle.
Imagine if Trump did this with BLM supporters when all that excrement happened with CHAZ.
It isn't a peaceful protest. They've very welcome to sit on Parliament Hill with placards until they grow old and die. What they can't do is turn the streets of downtown Ottawa into a parking lot, force the closure of local businesses, operate illegal fuel stores, or a variety of other things they're currently doing.
In other Canadian cities they were prevented from setting up camp by rather more switched on police forces. OPS has been pathetic, and now the insurrectionists (so called because one of their demands has been the removal of the elected government and its replacement with a citizen's council, like they haven't actually bothered to understand what Parliament actually is) have entrenched themselves more extreme measures have to be used to remove them.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:15:59 AM
this wasn't a peaceful protest (see my last post)....4 protesters at the Alberta border blockade were arrested because they were planning to murder RCMP officers. Body armor, hand guns, rifles and ammunition were seized.
Can you associate 4 protestors with an entire movement including tens or even hundred of thousands of people?
I do recall Seattle having its fair share of violence and murders. Hell wasn't there widespread arson in Minneapolis?
In open disclosure I think the protestors in both scenarios are complete and utter cunts. But you're talking about government overreach that probably can give the Patriot act a run for its money (and the circumstances leading to that were obviously way more extreme)
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:17:23 AM
Can you associate 4 protestors with an entire movement including tens or even hundred of thousands of people?
I do recall Seattle having its fair share of violence and murders. Hell wasn't there widespread arson in Minneapolis?
In open disclosure I think the protestors in both scenarios are complete and utter cunts. But you're talking about government overreach that probably can give the Patriot act a run for its money (and the circumstances leading to that were obviously way more extreme)
As usual...you're not listening.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:17:52 AM
It isn't a peaceful protest. They've very welcome to sit on Parliament Hill with placards until they grow old and die. What they can't do is turn the streets of downtown Ottawa into a parking lot, force the closure of local businesses, operate illegal fuel stores, or a variety of other things they're currently doing.
In other Canadian cities they were prevented from setting up camp by rather more switched on police forces. OPS has been pathetic, and now the insurrectionists (so called because one of their demands has been the removal of the elected government and its replacement with a citizen's council, like they haven't actually bothered to understand what Parliament actually is) have entrenched themselves more extreme measures have to be used to remove them.
Oh so you mean like the exact same excrement that happened during the BLM protests where cities were occupied roads were blocked, businesses were burned down and looted?
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:18:18 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:19:19 AM
As usual...you're not listening.
I'm making the where do you draw the line argument. Obviously this isn't the same as the BLM riots, but you easily could have some Trump supporters making the exact same argument as you as to why doing this would have been okay
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:20:56 AM
But you're talking about government overreach
We are not. We're literally talking about invoking an act that was created by a previous Conservative government to empower the Federal government to take control of emergency situations.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:21:32 AM
Oh so you mean like the exact same excrement that happened during the BLM protests where cities were occupied roads were blocked, businesses were burned down and looted?
None of that happened in Canada. So I'm not sure what comparison you're trying to draw.
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:21:34 AM
I'm making the where do you draw the line argument. Obviously this isn't the same as the BLM riots, but you easily could have some Trump supporters making the exact same argument as you as to why doing this would have been okay
Trump supporters were helping fund this horseshit.
These bozos were trying to cripple the economy and overthrow a govt. The Feds responded perfectly, and not a single drop of blood was shed. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the "line drawn" argument. This is what needed to happen to disperse these mobs.
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:22:57 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:24:09 AM
None of that happened in Canada. So I'm not sure what comparison you're trying to draw.
I was more referring to this part, minus the illegal fuel stores
What they can't do is turn the streets of downtown Ottawa into a parking lot, force the closure of local businesses, operate illegal fuel stores, or a variety of other things they're currently doing.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:26:37 AM
And before you respond, dcm....remember (maybe write this on your hand) this wasn't a peaceful protest.
I don't think it's a peaceful protest either. I 100% think any protestor who wants to disrupt life for as many people as possible is a complete queynte and deserves to go to prison.
My issue isn't how badly do you punish/deter violent obnoxious queynte protestors. Hell I support the government sending out riot squads with clubs to go break their freaking legs.
It's should the government be able to seize/freeze the assets of completely innocent private citizens without due process completely bypassing the courts.
And in examples like JE above of these private go fund me websites, get a freaking warrant and target them individually and legally.
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 11:32:08 AM
I don't think it's a peaceful protest either. I 100% think any protestor who wants to disrupt life for as many people as possible is a complete queynte and deserves to go to prison.
My issue isn't how badly do you punish/deter violent obnoxious queynte protestors. Hell I support the government sending out riot squads with clubs to go break their freaking legs.
It's should the government be able to seize/freeze the assets of completely innocent private citizens without due process completely bypassing the courts.
And in examples like JE above of these private go fund me websites, get a freaking warrant and target them individually and legally.
except...the folks that had their accounts frozen/seized aren't innocent. That's the whole point. If you're out there being a part of the problem, then you had that coming to you in spades.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2022, 11:38:32 AM
except...the folks that had their accounts frozen/seized aren't innocent. That's the whole point. If you're out there being a part of the problem, then you had that coming to you in spades.
So if I donated to BLM, before they seized CHAZ CHOP whatever the freak. That would mean im not innocent?
Because I imagine that in both the BLM and these protests there's a mix of legal and illegal protesting activity.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:45:25 AM
I was more referring to this part, minus the illegal fuel stores
What they can't do is turn the streets of downtown Ottawa into a parking lot, force the closure of local businesses, operate illegal fuel stores, or a variety of other things they're currently doing.
But your laws and our laws are different, as are our policing models, as are our systems of government.
"We didn't do X with BLM so you shouldn't do it with the Ottawa occupation" doesn't make sense at any level.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 11:47:31 AM
So if I donated to BLM, before they seized CHAZ CHOP whatever the freak. That would mean im not innocent?
Because I imagine that in both the BLM and these protests there's a mix of legal and illegal protesting activity.
You donating to BLM's causes in your country is a different thing to you donating to an anti-government cause in another country. This is the digital equivalent of the NORAID buckets in the Boston bars in the 1970s and 80s.
Anyway, we aren't criminalising the donations or the donors. We're simply preventing them being provided to people to support illegal activity.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 12:05:20 PM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3nw4j/freedom-convoy-truckers-struggle-to-cash-out-bitcoin-worth-dollar1-million
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2022, 01:00:45 PM
On a very related note, LOL.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3nw4j/freedom-convoy-truckers-struggle-to-cash-out-bitcoin-worth-dollar1-million
haha
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2022, 07:40:49 PM
Tell me more about government overreach.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 16, 2022, 10:59:02 PM
But your laws and our laws are different, as are our policing models, as are our systems of government.
"We didn't do X with BLM so you shouldn't do it with the Ottawa occupation" doesn't make sense at any level.
Sticky this to dcms forehead
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2022, 08:30:18 AM
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/two-thirds-of-canadians-support-use-of-emergencies-act-and-want-freedom-convoy-cleared-out-poll
Also worth noting that the National Post is very much a Conservative-leaning outlet.
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2022, 01:22:30 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2022, 08:40:34 PM
Always a new one.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/health/ba-2-covid-severity/index.html
Always a new one.
Sounds pretty horrible and to me very likely to be a major problem.
It's not like they're talking hypotheticals, they're saying it's already causing 4% of cases in the United States, vaccines and treatments are less effective, it's more contagious than Omnicron and possibly will make you just as sick as delta.
Right now people are treating things like it's over, and this could change that real fricken quickly
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2022, 11:17:03 AM
Sounds pretty horrible and to me very likely to be a major problem.
It's not like they're talking hypotheticals, they're saying it's already causing 4% of cases in the United States, vaccines and treatments are less effective, it's more contagious than Omnicron and possibly will make you just as sick as delta.
Right now people are treating things like it's over, and this could change that real fricken quickly
I have a friend who can't admit he's wrong about anything. He keeps saying this thing is over every time the numbers come down some. I keep laughing at him and telling him I have no idea what will happen but I'm certainly not gonna say it's over anytime soon no matter how good things look.
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2022, 11:23:49 AM
I have a friend who can't admit he's wrong about anything. He keeps saying this thing is over every time the numbers come down some. I keep laughing at him and telling him I have no idea what will happen but I'm certainly not gonna say it's over anytime soon no matter how good things look.I need this excrement to be over for my very selfish reasons of needing Kyrie Irving to play home games.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
https://special.usps.com/testkits
FYI, you can order 4 free tests shipped to your house, took 30 seconds to do
I still haven’t received these lmfao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2022, 11:41:46 AM
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
Post by: delavan on February 20, 2022, 07:06:38 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/20/world/queen-elizabeth-covid.amp.html
Post by: Badger on February 20, 2022, 10:50:48 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/20/florida-ron-desantis-schools-mask-mandates-funding-covid
Conservatives really hit the jackpot lately as they can now destroy education budgets under the guise of COVID or CRT moral panic.
Post by: Johnny English on February 20, 2022, 11:07:35 AM
What an awful human being
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/20/florida-ron-desantis-schools-mask-mandates-funding-covid
Conservatives really hit the jackpot lately as they can now destroy education budgets under the guise of COVID or CRT moral panic.
Logical move, I guess. Remove funding from education in Democratic counties until you manage to make the populace dumb enough to vote Republican.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 20, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
I still haven’t received these lmfao
Got mine on Friday.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2022, 06:17:28 PM
I think the government is waiting for an entirely new variant to become predominant before getting us all the tests that will only work on the defunct ones
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 01, 2022, 03:54:34 PM
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/researchers-may-have-ided-first-deer-to-human-sars-cov-2-transmission/ (https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/researchers-may-have-ided-first-deer-to-human-sars-cov-2-transmission/)
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2022, 10:58:56 AM
@POTUS
United States government official
· Mar 1
We’re launching the “Test to Treat” initiative, so people can get tested at a pharmacy and if they’re positive, receive antiviral pills on the spot at no cost.
Canada needs to follow suit on this.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2022, 03:04:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2022, 01:37:56 PM
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
Thinking about becoming a COVID denier so it stops ruining sports for me
Maybe teams playing in markets with ongoing restrictions might give consideration to not hiring players who are unvaccinated. It's really hard to have any sympathy when New York teams give millions to known anti-vaxxers and then do shocked faces when told they're not allowed to actually go to work.
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2022, 02:46:59 PM
Maybe teams playing in markets with ongoing restrictions might give consideration to not hiring players who are unvaccinated. It's really hard to have any sympathy when New York teams give millions to known anti-vaxxers and then do shocked faces when told they're not allowed to actually go to work.It's just the flu bro
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 17, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Maybe teams playing in markets with ongoing restrictions might give consideration to not hiring players who are unvaccinated. It's really hard to have any sympathy when New York teams give millions to known anti-vaxxers and then do shocked faces when told they're not allowed to actually go to work.
You act like these contracts were handed out after covid happened.
The NY mandates also make no sense, how is it reasonable that an unvaxxed away player can play in a NY arena? Furthermore, we just watched an MLB season where the entire league played with no mandate in place.
Post by: MBGreen on March 18, 2022, 02:16:34 PM
You act like these contracts were handed out after covid happened.
The NY mandates also make no sense, how is it reasonable that an unvaxxed away player can play in a NY arena? Furthermore, we just watched an MLB season where the entire league played with no mandate in place.
settle down...throw on some Mom Jeans and relax.
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2022, 05:42:33 PM
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1506397903765581836?t=oxOLbJCQ23tC7gxgVYm2ew&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on March 22, 2022, 05:46:18 PM
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1506397903765581836?t=oxOLbJCQ23tC7gxgVYm2ew&s=19
THANK YOU FOR MAKING BEAUTIFUL VACCINES DONALD
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2022, 12:13:32 PM
Didn’t realize this was a thing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2022, 12:13:49 PM
Post by: Badger on March 23, 2022, 12:39:54 PM
https://twitter.com/awgaffney/status/1506356337646747652?s=21Don't worry, the free market will solve this. It always does.
Didn’t realize this was a thing
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2022, 12:47:28 PM
Don't worry, the free market will solve this. It always does.
If you're not vaccinated at this point, the government paying ain't gonna change your mind.
And if you're not vaccinated it's about freaking time you start paying for yourself.
The whole testing thing is a different story, I think having testing paid for is a good thing. But the other two things? freak off ya Cunts
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2022, 12:50:35 PM
If you're not vaccinated at this point, the government paying ain't gonna change your mind.
And if you're not vaccinated it's about freaking time you start paying for yourself.
The whole testing thing is a different story, I think having testing paid for is a good thing. But the other two things? freak off ya Cunts
Please learn how to read we are begging you
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Please learn how to read we are begging you
Likewise?
It was about a tweet about 3 seperate points.
I supported 2 of the 3
Not sure what you're rambling about
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
Likewise?
It was about a tweet about 3 seperate points.
I supported 2 of the 3
Not sure what you're rambling about
1) the topic is uninsured people
2) no one should have to pay for the vaccine/testing
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2022, 01:00:17 PM
If you're not vaccinated at this point, the government paying ain't gonna change your mind.
Maybe not, but if something were to change an unvaccinated person's mind at some point in the future then having to pay for it might very well be a preventative factor.
Post by: delavan on March 23, 2022, 01:07:34 PM
THANK YOU FOR MAKING BEAUTIFUL VACCINES DONALDAre you to the Donald what you think Jet fans are to Jamal Adams? : )
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Rent_Free_Poster.jpg/153px-Rent_Free_Poster.jpg)
Fawning douchette obsequiously addressing a fat-assed steaming pile of self-absorbed entitlement.. vvv
SimoFish
@simofish
·
19h
Replying to
@HillaryClinton
You are loved, you are beautiful, you are strong, and someone out here in this big ole world thinks you are amazing. Thank you for being you!
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2022, 01:10:50 PM
1) the topic is uninsured people
2) no one should have to pay for the vaccine/testing
Okay fine the vaccine should be free. But it's a fairly moot point.
Anyone whose not vaccinated at this point should just freak off with that excrement already. They don't even deserves the vaccine anymore. They should just get covid and be forced to foot the bill/consequences without coverage.
Obviously it doesn't and won't work that way. Most likely they'll just run around and murder some old ladies or cancer patients
Post by: Badger on March 24, 2022, 09:54:32 AM
We did it!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2022, 09:52:09 AM
Quote
Nearly 3 in 4 counties across America suffered more deaths than births between the middle of 2020 and the middle of 2021, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau, as the coronavirus pandemic claimed hundreds of thousands of lives and slowed the nation’s growth rate to its slowest pace in history.
More people died than were born in 2,297 of the nation’s 3,143 counties last year, the largest number of counties to record a natural decrease in American history.
The new figures show more than 3.4 million Americans died in the yearlong period covered by the new data, the highest number of deaths ever recorded in a single year. The figure is 20 percent greater than it was two years ago, before the pandemic began.
Don’t show this to conspiracy theorists that claim people don’t die from covid
“They’re just marking people that die of natural causes as da covid deaths!”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2022, 07:06:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 07:41:47 AM
https://twitter.com/laurengolden__/status/1509882856406982659?s=21&t=HcEHL1sGA1VOkQqCqpaIyA
Well.... yeah. Isn't that the point of moving to "endemic"? It's here, it's going to be here for good, so we accept it and move on just as we do other illnesses. If you're symptomatic or you're feeling ill, stay home until you aren't. If you aren't symptomatic or ill, you don't need to be tested.
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
JE, defender of for-profit healthcare.
I'm a defender of not needlessly spending public money on pointless services because people want to make individual decisions they're not qualified to make, such as "I need XYZ medical test". In the list of reasons why US healthcare provision is terrible, "I can't get a free test for covid" does not feature prominently.
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2022, 09:31:09 AM
Well.... yeah. Isn't that the point of moving to "endemic"? It's here, it's going to be here for good, so we accept it and move on just as we do other illnesses. If you're symptomatic or you're feeling ill, stay home until you aren't. If you aren't symptomatic or ill, you don't need to be tested.
who told you we were in an endemic? your local PC MP?
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 09:36:14 AM
who told you we were in an endemic? your local PC MP?
Whether you agree with it or not, that is the official position of all levels of government now. You'll note that I used quotation marks very specifically.
The proscribed behaviour is very clear. If you think you might be sick, stay home until you aren't. It's that simple. There is exactly zero value to testing now given the statistical output of such tests is pointless. Volume stats will primarily now be done using wastewater monitoring, which apparently is surprisingly accurate.
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2022, 09:39:26 AM
Whether you agree with it or not, that is the official position of all levels of government now. You'll note that I used quotation marks very specifically.
The proscribed behaviour is very clear. If you think you might be sick, stay home until you aren't. It's that simple. There is exactly zero value to testing now given the statistical output of such tests is pointless. Volume stats will primarily now be done using wastewater monitoring, which apparently is surprisingly accurate.
our provincial govt is deliberately hiding wastewater data because they know that relaxing health orders is 100% the wrong decision....pandering to their retarded redneck minority apparently is more important that public safety.
So...despite what you think the govt has decided on, doesn't mean that's what reality is. In fact, i'm hearing you guys are entering a 6th wave.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
our provincial govt is deliberately hiding wastewater data because they know that relaxing health orders is 100% the wrong decision....pandering to their retarded redneck minority apparently is more important that public safety.
So...despite what you think the govt has decided on, doesn't mean that's what reality is. In fact, i'm hearing you guys are entering a 6th wave.
I've heard that too. I have no idea whether it's true.
Whether you agree with the decision or not, the responsibility for the level of precaution that we take against covid has moved from government to the individual. You are no longer mandated to take additional measures, but you are welcome to do so if that's what makes you comfortable. Free government tests provide zero value in that equation, even though for some reason Ontario has decided to keep making them available (I have my own not very complimentary suspicions about the Ford government on that one).
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2022, 09:51:21 AM
I've heard that too. I have no idea whether it's true.
Whether you agree with the decision or not, the responsibility for the level of precaution that we take against covid has moved from government to the individual. You are no longer mandated to take additional measures, but you are welcome to do so if that's what makes you comfortable. Free government tests provide zero value in that equation, even though for some reason Ontario has decided to keep making them available (I have my own not very complimentary suspicions about the Ford government on that one).
so...this is a major issue here. Our dumbfuck premier and our minister of health (an even dumber freak) have consistently spewed this narrative, but have disabled all the data dashboards and refuse to provide the necessary information/tools to allow us to make informed decisions. It's bascially a "go freak yourself, we don't give a excrement about you" approach, and i hope i live long enough to see the PCs get raped in the next election because of it.
if you're thinking to yourself "how is this possible, that can't be happening".....this is why our premier has the lowest approval rating in the country.
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2022, 09:57:04 AM
I'm a defender of not needlessly spending public money on pointless services because people want to make individual decisions they're not qualified to make, such as "I need XYZ medical test". In the list of reasons why US healthcare provision is terrible, "I can't get a free test for covid" does not feature prominently.As the requirements for testing drop so will the frequency with which people get tested. You don't need to introduce a price tag to discourage the behavior.
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2022, 09:58:16 AM
As the requirements for testing drop so will the frequency with which people get tested. You don't need to introduce a price tag to discourage the behavior.
rapid antigen test kits are free across the board here. I went to our local library and picked up 2 boxes (hopefully i won't need to use them).
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 09:59:52 AM
so...this is a major issue here. Our dumbfuck premier and our minister of health (an even dumber freak) have consistently spewed this narrative, but have disabled all the data dashboards and refuse to provide the necessary information/tools to allow us to make informed decisions. It's bascially a "go freak yourself, we don't give a excrement about you" approach, and i hope i live long enough to see the PCs get raped in the next election because of it.
if you're thinking to yourself "how is this possible, that can't be happening".....this is why our premier has the lowest approval rating in the country.
Sure. But to return to the point, in that environment testing is pointless because if testing is optional then the data tells you absolutely nothing. You'll have people who are symptomatic and clearly have covid not reporting it because they're either staying home and letting it pass as they've been told to, or ignoring it and going out there spreading it; and you'll have people who given the opportunity would get tested every day regardless of whether they have any symptoms or not, because it speaks to their caution / paranoia / hypochondria / whatever. The data produced by an optional testing regimen is absolutely worthless, and the decisions that individuals make about testing and in the face of the results will be completely varied and therefore useless.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 10:00:23 AM
As the requirements for testing drop so will the frequency with which people get tested. You don't need to introduce a price tag to discourage the behavior.
But you don't need to subsidise pointless behaviours.
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2022, 10:05:03 AM
Sure. But to return to the point, in that environment testing is pointless because if testing is optional then the data tells you absolutely nothing. You'll have people who are symptomatic and clearly have covid not reporting it because they're either staying home and letting it pass as they've been told to, or ignoring it and going out there spreading it; and you'll have people who given the opportunity would get tested every day regardless of whether they have any symptoms or not, because it speaks to their caution / paranoia / hypochondria / whatever. The data produced by an optional testing regimen is absolutely worthless, and the decisions that individuals make about testing and in the face of the results will be completely varied and therefore useless.
moral of the story: have better testing structures in place.
Until science develops an effective antiviral for the public..."throwing in the towel" isn't a viable solution. I don't care if people are whining to go back to "normal", freak them. Everyone has the right to feel safe.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 10:11:13 AM
moral of the story: have better testing structures in place.
Until science develops an effective antiviral for the public..."throwing in the towel" isn't a viable solution. I don't care if people are whining to go back to "normal", freak them. Everyone has the right to feel safe.
I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of the situation, I'm fully aware of your views on it. I'm just talking about why individual testing is now pointless as an exercise in informing anything.
Post by: MBGreen on April 02, 2022, 10:12:26 AM
I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of the situation, I'm fully aware of your views on it. I'm just talking about why individual testing is now pointless as an exercise in informing anything.
and I agree with you...it is pointless in our current climate. But the gov't put us in this position.
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2022, 10:31:12 AM
But you don't need to subsidise pointless behaviours.As long as people are being required to test for one thing or another then it's not pointless.
If/when we reach a point that all testing requirements are dropped then you can stop subsidizing.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2022, 10:49:48 AM
As long as people are being required to test for one thing or another then it's not pointless.
If/when we reach a point that all testing requirements are dropped then you can stop subsidizing.
What are you still required to test for? I agree that if a test result is a government mandated condition of entry or access for something, then the government should probably be paying for it. If a business has it as their own condition then it's probably between the business and their clientele to figure out who should be paying for it.
We don't even have vaccine status as a condition of access any more, testing is long since done with.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 02, 2022, 11:17:57 PM
Post by: delavan on April 03, 2022, 05:12:39 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2022, 07:39:00 AM
Testing is not pointless for everyone. Even if you think so, the argument for the government not paying for it is pretty weak.
Unless you think the government should pay for everything healthcare related forever (which is an entirely different argument) at some point eventually testing for covid becomes a basic medical test rather than some pandemic fighting measure.
I don't follow this excrement on a global scale, but I do know that covid has become virtually irrelevant in the region I'm in.
Hell this month is the first time we don't even have the anti vaxxer corpses that are normally rotting on vents and ECMO for months at a time.
(that said I'd be willing to bet there's probably gonna be another decent size wave, so you can easily make a strong argument that they should still be paying for test)
Post by: bojanglesman on April 03, 2022, 08:45:19 AM
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Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2022, 09:17:05 AM
Testing is not pointless for everyone. Even if you think so, the argument for the government not paying for it is pretty weak.
As a public health exercise it is completely pointless. There are situations in which individual testing will be merited, but those are decisions for medical personnel to make.
There's no sensible argument that I can see for the government funding discretionary testing.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 03, 2022, 06:44:22 PM
As a public health exercise it is completely pointless. There are situations in which individual testing will be merited, but those are decisions for medical personnel to make.
There's no sensible argument that I can see for the government funding discretionary testing.
One could make the argument that the government funding excessive uncessary testing would encourage excessive testing.
Which depending on the direction of the disease and pandemic could potentially save government funding if it curtails even a minute percentage of the population getting infected
Of course I wouldn't expect anyone in the government to give a excrement enoguh to do the math, because derp money free
Post by: MBGreen on April 07, 2022, 10:52:23 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 07, 2022, 11:11:23 AM
https://winnipegsun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-what-you-need-to-know-about-game-changer-covid-drug-paxlovid/wcm/a40694e3-f8f8-44d5-a949-6a284d92d60b
I'm a little confused. I thought that this was supposed to be a reactive treatment i.e. to be used when people present with a positive case of covid, especially people who have higher risk of serious effects, but the article reads as if it's a prophylactic treatment.
Post by: MBGreen on April 07, 2022, 11:24:07 AM
I'm a little confused. I thought that this was supposed to be a reactive treatment i.e. to be used when people present with a positive case of covid, especially people who have higher risk of serious effects, but the article reads as if it's a prophylactic treatment.
I read it like if you're a high risk (immuno, elderly etc etc) and you start to show symptoms. This drug, if taken early enough, will attack the virus.
Post by: Johnny English on April 07, 2022, 11:57:32 AM
I read it like if you're a high risk (immuno, elderly etc etc) and you start to show symptoms. This drug, if taken early enough, will attack the virus.
Yeah, that's my understanding as well but they're talking about preventing low risk people from barging their way to the front of the queue; if it's a treatment requiring prescription then it's not really a matter of jumping queues, it's for qualified doctors to decide whether it's merited for each case.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 07, 2022, 03:14:58 PM
I don't think people will ever realize it, but covid will end up being a complete game changer as to what it's done for some of these fancy genetically engineered drugs. And i think. As a result in the next few years you'll see drugs that are costing 5-10k a month come way down in price as a result
Post by: MBGreen on April 07, 2022, 04:56:18 PM
I'm shocked at how inexpensive Paxlovid is (it's still over 500$)
I don't think people will ever realize it, but covid will end up being a complete game changer as to what it's done for some of these fancy genetically engineered drugs. And i think. As a result in the next few years you'll see drugs that are costing 5-10k a month come way down in price as a result
I'm lucky to have medical benefits from my job and my wife's job. Full coverage, babbie.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 07, 2022, 05:27:57 PM
I'm lucky to have medical benefits from my job and my wife's job. Full coverage, babbie.
Well if you're vaccinated you don't need the rona drugs
But the other excrement insurance companies simply won't pay. I'm not on any of these wonky meds, but all the new fancy meds for like cholesterol and heart disease are similar to many of these covid drugs and excrement. And no way are insurance companies going to spend 15,000$ a year for a drug that's only incrementally better than the stuff currently on the market
Post by: MBGreen on April 07, 2022, 05:31:40 PM
Well if you're vaccinated you don't need the rona drugs
But the other excrement insurance companies simply won't pay. I'm not on any of these wonky meds, but all the new fancy meds for like cholesterol and heart disease are similar to many of these covid drugs and excrement. And no way are insurance companies going to spend 15,000$ a year for a drug that's only incrementally better than the stuff currently on the market
I'm triple vaxxed, but i'm also immuno....so i'm still very cautious, and i don't go anywhere in public without a mask.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2022, 06:12:34 PM
I'm triple vaxxed, but i'm also immuno....so i'm still very cautious, and i don't go anywhere in public without a mask.(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2018%2F07%2Fscreen-shot-2018-07-23-at-11-40-12-am.png)
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-medina/cleveland-clinic-covid-19-vaccination-policy-prevents-dad-from-donating-kidney-to-9-year-old-son
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2022, 09:28:28 PM
Father of the yearI just....
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-medina/cleveland-clinic-covid-19-vaccination-policy-prevents-dad-from-donating-kidney-to-9-year-old-son
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 10, 2022, 10:08:38 PM
Father of the year
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-medina/cleveland-clinic-covid-19-vaccination-policy-prevents-dad-from-donating-kidney-to-9-year-old-son
Well, it's impossible for his kid to not be proud of his parents for standing their ground once he's dead.
Post by: delavan on April 11, 2022, 02:00:03 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 11, 2022, 03:39:42 PM
Heartening to know there's still no legal mandate requiring that illegal entrants be tested and/or vaccinated before they are transported around the country by the U.S. government and released into communities where they seed Covid and its variants into those communities.
Why would there be a national legal requirement for undocumented immigrants when there is no no national requirement for US citizens?
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2022, 06:55:05 PM
Why would there be a national legal requirement for undocumented immigrants when there is no no national requirement for US citizens?Because people from outside the line are inherently dirty.
Post by: delavan on April 11, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
Why would there be a national legal requirement for undocumented immigrants when there is no no national requirement for US citizens?Apples-to-apples would apply assuming
Because people from outside the line are inherently dirty.Snide, irrelevant hyperbole? Again? smh
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 11, 2022, 09:12:08 PM
Apples-to-apples would apply assumingundocumented immigrantsillegal entrants should be on equal footing with United States citizens in the United States. Employers, governments (here in the United States), institutions and private businesses have required vaccination as a condition of employment, imposing financial penalties for those who remain unvaccinated e.g. Delta (the airline, not the variant) as well as excluding unvaccinated individuals from being able to go to restaurants, gyms, concerts, and other large gatherings. But this 'preferred group' gets to illegally saunter in vaccinated or not and get a freebie flight at taxpayer expense? Horseshit. Me, I'm totally vaccinated and supported restrictions on the unvaccinated. Sidebar: a unvaccinated Rutgers senior was denied access to his email even though ALL of his classes were virtual.
Snide, irrelevant hyperbole? Again? smh
Do you think people are asking no one is checking vaccination status if they are trying to enter any of those establishments just because they are undocumented?
"It's great, I don't have any documentation so they have this whole red carpet set up where I can waltz into the kitchen and snot rocket onto the tomatoes!"
Post by: delavan on April 12, 2022, 05:33:29 AM
Do you think people are asking no one is checking vaccination status if they are trying to enter any of those establishments just because they are undocumented?Non-vaxxed American workers (in the case of Delta) were financially penalized with surcharge$. Un-vaxxed American college students were not allowed to enter campus without vaccination. However when it comes to illegal entrants crossing the United States border all bets are off.
"It's great, I don't have any documentation so they have this whole red carpet set up where I can waltz into the kitchen and snot rocket onto the tomatoes!"
“It’s great, I get to illegally cross into the United States where they have this whole red carpet set up where I get to be surreptitiously flown at American taxpayer expense and slipped into Westchester County, 1,500 miles away—makes perfect sense!”
’please put your tray in the upright position and fasten your seatbelts…..flight crew please prepare for takeoff’
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2022, 06:16:58 AM
Snide, irrelevant hyperbole? Again? smh
https://youtu.be/g7y64QRVyzE
With all due respect any argument based on the premise that undocumented immigrants get preferential treatment is flawed.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2022, 01:58:08 PM
You're welcome.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2022, 02:08:11 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/12/us-sexually-transmitted-infections-record-2020
You're welcome.
Tommy and JFIF on the loose
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2022, 02:36:52 PM
With all due respect the idea that illegal entrants should be on equal legal footing as U.S. citizens is flawed. As for preferential treatment, southern Texas to Westchester County Airport would cost me a pretty penny - for these good 'interlopers' it's free courtesy of U.S. taxpayers.
https://youtu.be/g7y64QRVyzE
With all due respect any argument based on the premise that undocumented immigrants get preferential treatment is flawed.
"Fly me, I'm Bryan with a 'y' ...
....coffee, tea or me?"
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Quote from: badger
https://youtu.be/g7y64QRVyzE
Quote from: delavan
:-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZruHfeUcNys: ) j/k
Post by: delavan on April 14, 2022, 10:19:58 AM
The following brought to you by 'the good old days'
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2022, 10:24:29 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
Who knew
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 15, 2022, 03:06:49 PM
Freak chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, shouldn't we have learned from history and the medical community?
The following brought to you by 'the good old days'
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Bayer_Heroin_bottle.jpg/409px-Bayer_Heroin_bottle.jpg)
I prescribe hydromorphone for severe coughing in dogs. It works. It's not heroin, but I'm sure 100 years from now a similar picture will be on whatever we call the internet then.
i can't say i'm quite up to date on the research regarding cough any longer, but codeine - derivatives and honey are probably the only things found to be true cough suppressants lol
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2022, 03:16:50 PM
i can't say i'm quite up to date on the research regarding cough any longer, but codeine - derivatives and honey are probably the only things found to be true cough suppressants lol
Not a believer in Tessalon Perles?
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 15, 2022, 03:34:55 PM
Not a believer in Tessalon Perles?
tessalon perles and robitussin don't do anything lol
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
tessalon perles and robitussin don't do anything lol
I'd agree although it seems like freaking Covid patients that aren't actively on the cusp of death seem to think it's a miracle drug
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2022, 07:22:33 PM
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 04, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2022, 07:35:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2022, 07:36:52 PM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
That's terrible sorry to hear that.
I don't know if this comment will come off as insensitive or not. But in my experiences there are many patients who are in the hospital with severe covid for extended periods of time that go on to suffer fates that are far worse than death. I think for some people having it resolved even in a manner like this can be a mercy for both the individual and their families (even though it's extremely difficult for people to think of like that).
Hope the others get well soon
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.Sorry to hear this, man. Condolences to Mrs. Badger.
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
Post by: reuben on May 04, 2022, 07:50:15 PM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
Sorry to hear it, bro. Were they all vaxxed?
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
That's terrible sorry to hear that.
I don't know if this comment will come off as insensitive or not. But in my experiences there are many patients who are in the hospital with severe covid for extended periods of time that go on to suffer fates that are far worse than death. I think for some people having it resolved even in a manner like this can be a mercy for both the individual and their families (even though it's extremely difficult for people to think of like that).
No offense taken, I know what you mean by it. By the end they had shifted him to palliative care so they knew what was coming.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2022, 07:53:57 PM
Sorry to hear it, bro. Were they all vaxxed?AFAIK the uncle was, but he had some medical history (cancer survivor).
My bro in law and his wife are vaxxed, but I'm not sure if their kids are old enough for it.
Post by: delavan on May 04, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.Condolences
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
Post by: delavan on May 04, 2022, 09:19:50 PM
“Waiter, there’s a croup in my soup..”
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 04, 2022, 10:47:57 PM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
im so sorry badge.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2022, 07:52:08 AM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
sorry man
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 05, 2022, 07:07:40 PM
After nearly a month in the hospital my wife's uncle died of COVID.
And just a few days later my wife's brother, his wife, and their 3 boys all have it. Thankfully no hospitalization needed but his wife and their youngest are having a pretty shitty time.
Awful. Sorry to hear, and my deepest sympathies to you, your wife, and the family.
Post by: delavan on May 08, 2022, 02:40:58 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/08/nyregion/kathy-hochul-positive-covid.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2022, 07:25:47 PM
All boroughs of NYC stopped posting their numbers this past week.
Post by: MBGreen on May 10, 2022, 07:32:11 PM
Since the beginning of April I've been grabbing the waste water numbers from the CDC website. Counties around the country report their % of covid found in the water weekly. The wave NYC is currently in was blatantly obviously coming for weeks.RIP
All boroughs of NYC stopped posting their numbers this past week.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2022, 08:33:17 PM
Since the beginning of April I've been grabbing the waste water numbers from the CDC website. Counties around the country report their % of covid found in the water weekly. The wave NYC is currently in was blatantly obviously coming for weeks.My wife tested positive for COVID on Mother's Day. She's feeling mostly alright. Kids and I have tested negative.
All boroughs of NYC stopped posting their numbers this past week.
Seems like she caught it at work since the other teacher in her classroom tested positive as well.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 11, 2022, 06:03:43 AM
Since the beginning of April I've been grabbing the waste water numbers
Turd burglar.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2022, 07:46:53 PM
My wife tested positive for COVID on Mother's Day. She's feeling mostly alright. Kids and I have tested negative.
Seems like she caught it at work since the other teacher in her classroom tested positive as well.
Hope she's back to normal now. My wife tested positive in the car on the way to Xmas eve at MIL's. Kids and me were fine, but she lost Xmas. Still has some long-covid.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2022, 07:49:59 PM
And yet, it's still just "highly recommended" to wear masks indoors.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2022, 07:52:22 PM
Hope she's back to normal now. My wife tested positive in the car on the way to Xmas eve at MIL's. Kids and me were fine, but she lost Xmas. Still has some long-covid.Thanks, she got through it without too much trouble but she's still being cautious around others, at least for another day or so.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2022, 08:00:46 PM
In what may be a surprise to some, yet is not at all to me, NYC was awarded the coveted "high risk" designation today.
And yet, it's still just "highly recommended" to wear masks indoors.
I don't forsee things getting passed the highly recommended stage again.
People just don't give a excrement anymore. I even have doubts about the percentage of smart people who would get the next shot if it becomes reccomended
Post by: MBGreen on May 25, 2022, 11:08:41 AM
@nytimes
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One in five adult Covid survivors under the age of 65 in the U.S. has experienced at least one health condition that could be considered long Covid, a new CDC study found. Among patients 65 and older, the number is even higher: one in four. https://nyti.ms/39PmXDI
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2022, 09:45:35 AM
https://uproxx.com/movies/jeff-bridges-close-to-dying-covid-cancer/ (https://uproxx.com/movies/jeff-bridges-close-to-dying-covid-cancer/)
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2022, 10:20:08 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2022, 10:31:37 AM
Cato you were overseas recently, how'd you go about the covid test for US re-entry? Did you do the virtual proctoring thing?
There was a testing center at the airport that I made an appointment for. Where are you flying out from.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2022, 10:32:43 AM
There was a testing center at the airport that I made an appointment for. Where are you flying out from.
Istanbul
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2022, 10:38:09 AM
Istanbul
How was Constantinople this time of year?
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2022, 10:43:28 AM
How was Constantinople this time of year?
My trip's in mid-July, so probably hot as freak.
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
My trip's in mid-July, so probably hot as freak.
save some vacation for the tailgate
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2022, 10:49:23 AM
My trip's in mid-July, so probably hot as freak.
Looks like Istanbul airport has a testing center, not sure how convenient or feasible getting a PCR test there is, or if they have other rapid test options but I guess it's a start.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2022, 10:50:57 AM
Looks like Istanbul airport has a testing center, not sure how convenient or feasible getting a PCR test there is, or if they have other rapid test options but I guess it's a start.
Cool I'll look into it, thanks
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2022, 11:23:52 AM
Cool I'll look into it, thanksAirport tesing is freaking expensive. PCR in MTL airport, $275. Downtown MTL, $85.
Are you sure you even need it as a returning citizen? Even Canada has dropped testing requirements for fully vaccinated people entering the country and we're far more anal about these things than you guys.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
Airport tesing is freaking expensive. PCR in MTL airport, $275. Downtown MTL, $85.
Are you sure you even need it as a returning citizen? Even Canada has dropped testing requirements for fully vaccinated people entering the country and we're far more anal about these things than you guys.
Pretty sure, it looks like we're anal-est. MURICA
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2022, 11:31:38 AM
Airport tesing is freaking expensive. PCR in MTL airport, $275. Downtown MTL, $85.
Are you sure you even need it as a returning citizen? Even Canada has dropped testing requirements for fully vaccinated people entering the country and we're far more anal about these things than you guys.
Yes, he still does. From CDC's website:
Quote
Air passengers traveling to the US are required to present a negative COVID-19 test result or documentation of recovery
Prices seem to vary. It was $55 in Glasgow.
Post by: MBGreen on June 08, 2022, 11:17:19 AM
good news for the fall booster season.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2022, 12:01:47 PM
https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1534493335209095170?s=20&t=oTShNxGQhbkV0KXJ2buaTA
good news for the fall booster season.
I don't even think it's recommended for my cohort to get a 4th vaccine yet, but I guess like you said, it'll come around in the fall.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2022, 09:01:04 AM
https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1535257623146156032 (https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1535257623146156032)
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
US to drop testing requirement for inbound international travel on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1535257623146156032 (https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1535257623146156032)
I'm surprised you still have it. We dropped ours for fully vaccinated travellers a while back.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2022, 09:06:21 AM
I'm surprised you still have it. We dropped ours for fully vaccinated travellers a while back.
This would have been so much more convenient a couple of months ago.
Post by: reuben on June 10, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
US to drop testing requirement for inbound international travel on Sunday.Sweet
https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1535257623146156032 (https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1535257623146156032)
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2022, 02:32:37 PM
Post by: delavan on July 18, 2022, 11:26:37 AM
smh
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 31, 2022, 04:51:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 31, 2022, 05:00:20 PM
Ngl the Biden admins approach to covid has been worse than Trump’s. And that was really badHow so?
Post by: MBGreen on July 31, 2022, 05:01:01 PM
Ngl the Biden admins approach to covid has been worse than Trump’s. And that was really badHow so?
Post by: delavan on July 31, 2022, 07:30:02 PM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2022, 09:53:24 PM
How so?
The government strategy since early 2022 has been basically to pretend it isn’t happening. They realized masking and vaccines aren’t popular and will cost them votes down the line
Post by: Johnny English on August 01, 2022, 10:23:48 PM
The government strategy since early 2022 has been basically to pretend it isn’t happening. They realized masking and vaccines aren’t popular and will cost them votes down the lineLiterally the entire Western world has adopted the same approach in that timeframe.
Post by: delavan on August 01, 2022, 10:51:40 PM
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-open-confirms-novak-djokovic-cant-play-unless-s-vaccinated-covid-rcna39069
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2022, 12:16:16 PM
Literally the entire Western world has sacrificed its people to Moloch in that timeframe.
FYP
Post by: casman02 on August 03, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2022, 10:04:55 AM
Tested positive this morning. Sat in my car for about 30 minutes before going into my apartmentSucks. Rest up and get better.
Post by: Johnny English on August 03, 2022, 01:21:23 PM
Post by: delavan on August 03, 2022, 01:34:44 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-resilience-ranking/Eat my dust Malaysia
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 06, 2022, 07:43:24 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2022, 05:57:16 AM
The messaging and policies related to the vaccine have been an absolute shitshow
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2022, 12:59:41 PM
https://twitter.com/stephtaitwrites/status/1558935716641443840?s=21&t=rfRHGEvllmbS6gml6lK8eg
The messaging and policies related to the vaccine have been an absolute shitshow
I'm very provaccine but I'm pretty sure the logic is the mortality rate for kids with Covid-19 is bordering on 0%
But the people at risk for severe covid, are majority vaccinated, supported by that chart
Thus the thinking something along the lines of almost everyone who needs a vaccine has a vaccine.
Minus all the most extreme of the retards who are slowly being weeded out
Post by: delavan on August 17, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2022, 06:52:53 PM
https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1568268244443893762?t=ZF3QP_61SOBK02VxARuPcw&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2022, 08:41:03 PM
In b4 JE defends it for some reason
https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1568268244443893762?t=ZF3QP_61SOBK02VxARuPcw&s=19
No, that's the stuff you should be spending money on.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 09, 2022, 08:51:27 PM
Wow… makes you think
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2022, 06:24:00 PM
https://twitter.com/punished_stu/status/1579475799509733379?t=MWhdSzAqW4Eq3ptJyJTuGA&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on November 22, 2022, 11:34:39 AM
Quote
It comes as the country faces a surge of cases, with 26,824 new infections reported on Sunday, according to the National Health Commission -- the highest daily number since mid-April and the sixth consecutive day over 20,000.
Might be back for the holidays
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2022, 11:36:01 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/21/china/china-covid-first-deaths-six-months-intl-hnk/index.html
Might be back for the holidays
put your mask on then
Post by: dcm1602 on November 22, 2022, 11:39:30 AM
put your mask on then
Outside of none of us being in China
I think the concerns being if this excrement runs rampant through China the odds of crazy new strains and devestating global supply lines.
Plus the obvious of the next 3 months being the most vulnerable time for most of the United States (assuming that it really goes wild China evolves etc etc)
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2022, 11:46:16 AM
Outside of none of us being in China
Yeah man, it's not like thousands of Chinese Americans won't be traveling back and forth during the holidays or anything
Post by: dcm1602 on November 22, 2022, 11:49:45 AM
Yeah man, it's not like thousands of Chinese Americans won't be traveling back and forth during the holidays or anything
I was alluding to nobody on this board
I made the post for the very reason that you said. Obviously we have vaccines and excrement but China runs differently then the rest of the world so who knows what consequences there could be from things happening there
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2022, 12:09:14 PM
Post by: delavan on November 22, 2022, 04:28:23 PM
Yeah man, it's not like thousands of Chinese Americans won't be traveling back and forth during the holidays or anything^this. Chinese take out will take you out
Post by: delavan on November 23, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ice-cube-confirms-lost-film-refusing-covid-vaccine-shot-1235439945/amp/
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 23, 2022, 04:06:19 PM
Can't wait to be the only guy with a mask on in Florida.next week.
*me every day I go into the office
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2022, 07:05:17 AM
The deep state is starting to round up patriots! Sound the alarm
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2022, 07:19:53 AM
https://apnews.com/article/health-california-covid-san-francisco-immunizations-a2654cad5153d7ddf3edda3cff0b2674
The deep state is starting to round up patriots! Sound the alarm
"Mazi said that as a Native American she is “immune to legal action.”
Lol
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2022, 07:33:31 AM
https://apnews.com/article/health-california-covid-san-francisco-immunizations-a2654cad5153d7ddf3edda3cff0b2674
The deep state is starting to round up patriots! Sound the alarm
How the freak is this bitch only getting 33 months
Accordingly she had done over 100 fake immunization cards for school children for non covid vaccines as well.
This dumb bitch is literally part of why polio and excrement are freaking coming back
Post by: delavan on December 09, 2022, 05:30:42 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/12/08/house-passes-defense-bill-that-would-scrap-covid-vaccine-mandate.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2022, 02:43:09 PM
Finally got me.
noooooooo
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Finally got me.Yeeks
Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2022, 03:12:08 PM
Finally got me.
Don’t die :(
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2023, 03:14:36 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 01, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
Got Plaxovid from urgent care. The aftertaste is god awful and lasts all day.Are you having severe symptoms?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 01, 2023, 04:09:46 PM
Are you having severe symptoms?
No but my history with hypertension put me at an elevated risk.
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2023, 08:01:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2023, 09:46:57 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 03, 2023, 08:25:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2023, 08:27:33 PM
I wonder if 1/4 people know someone that died from Covid
I know two (an old friend of mine and my wife's aunt), and a third indirectly (a friend's husband who I didn't really know).
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2023, 09:55:42 PM
I wonder if 1/4 people know someone that died from Covid1.1M US COVID deaths
332M US population
Average person has a monkeysphere of 150 other people
I'd say nearly 1 out of 2 probably know someone that died of COVID
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2023, 06:25:39 AM
https://twitter.com/ASFleischman/status/1610167145236676608?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2023, 08:53:13 AM
The dumbest timeline
https://twitter.com/ASFleischman/status/1610167145236676608?s=19
I'm just picturing the Dean and Doppledeaner slap fighting in a hallway.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2023, 07:01:15 PM
XBB 1.5 SZN
Quote
That there is no scientific justification for the arbitrary decision by @WHO to stop assigning Greek letters with Omicron. This is a political decision, designed to support the fiction that the virus has somehow stopped evolving so much. In fact, the opposite is true.
Dope
Quote
7/ What do we conclude?
a) The variants are evolving at a massive rate.
b) The variants are evolving in partially immune populations to evade immunity and neutralisation by monoclonal antibodies.
c) Separate to this paper, and as per @VirusesImmunity, affinity for the ACE-2 receptor, expressed on the cell surface and the means by which the virus enters the cell, is massively increased, leading to increased likelihood of severe disease and possibly long covid.
Sick
https://twitter.com/youarelobbylud/status/1610617921692131334?s=46&t=xoUHvzljyFVB4-4VY4-Awg
Fun thread
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2023, 01:15:45 PM
I've got zero symptoms, but my job said I can telework for the rest of the week.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 09, 2023, 02:22:02 PM
So I was at Mt. Sinai on Friday (don't worry, nothing interesting) and they did a rapid COVID antibody test and a PCR test. The antibody test came back negative within a day, but today they contacted me because my PCR test came back positive.
I've got zero symptoms, but my job said I can telework for the rest of the week.
Here's hoping you stay symptom free!
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2023, 02:23:02 PM
So I was at Mt. Sinai on Friday (don't worry, nothing interesting) and they did a rapid COVID antibody test and a PCR test. The antibody test came back negative within a day, but today they contacted me because my PCR test came back positive.
I've got zero symptoms, but my job said I can telework for the rest of the week.
Hopefully the symptoms don't show up. Stay safe, dude.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 09, 2023, 02:29:02 PM
Dope
Sick
https://twitter.com/youarelobbylud/status/1610617921692131334?s=46&t=xoUHvzljyFVB4-4VY4-Awg
Fun thread
I've been following People's CDC for months. They've taken off for the holidays, but they publish a weekly "Weather Report" that shows the actual spread, rather than all the bullshit from the government and the lack of news coming from media.
https://peoplescdc.org/ (https://peoplescdc.org/)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2023, 03:10:17 PM
So I was at Mt. Sinai on Friday (don't worry, nothing interesting) and they did a rapid COVID antibody test and a PCR test. The antibody test came back negative within a day, but today they contacted me because my PCR test came back positive.Hope your test stays permapositive so you can work from home forever.
I've got zero symptoms, but my job said I can telework for the rest of the week.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2023, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2023, 03:29:06 PM
LOL, Badger at 55 with his feet up on the porch of his home in the upstate countryside still sending in his weekly test to prove that he still has the rona and has to telework."This dude still has omicron, even though we are on zeta-69 now."
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2023, 09:10:14 AM
https://twitter.com/BNOFeed/status/1612487003836235777?s=19
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2023, 02:56:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2023, 02:59:57 PM
I don't think I actually have or had COVID. Every single at home test since Monday has come out negative including a followup PCR I took yesterday. Must have been a false positive.
Maybe you've just invented a new undetectable variant.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2023, 03:20:21 PM
Maybe you've just invented a new undetectable variant.The Omega-Badger variant that causes no symptoms, results in zero antibodies, and can only be detected for 1 day.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2023, 03:24:59 PM
The Omega-Badger variant that causes no symptoms, results in zero antibodies, and can only be detected for 1 day.
Badger cured covid confirmed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2023, 03:28:49 PM
Badger cured covid confirmed.
Everyone lick his eyeballs!
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2023, 03:56:34 PM
I believe the Chinese anal swabs are more accurate
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2023, 05:27:58 PM
Have you been doing the nasal or oral swabs?The professional PCR tests and the at home tests were all nasal.
I believe the Chinese anal swabs are more accurate
The antibody test that was done the same day I got the first PCR I assume was done with the blood sample they took.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2023, 05:31:27 PM
The professional PCR tests and the at home tests were all nasal.
The antibody test that was done the same day I got the first PCR I assume was done with the blood sample they took.
Better telework for another week just to be on the safe side.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Better telework for another week just to be on the safe side.I already am as they gave me the rest of this week, Monday we're closed, and Tue/Wed are my scheduled telework days. So I don't go back in until next Thursday.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2023, 08:22:43 PM
Monday we're closed
The freak is this? You're a public facing government department, not a bougie nightclub.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2023, 09:28:57 PM
Better telework for another week just to be on the safe side.I hear the new strain can travel through the internet. Best to not work at all.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2023, 10:01:21 PM
I hear the new strain can travel through the internet. Best to not work at all.
Way ahead of you there.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2023, 06:35:19 AM
The freak is this? You're a public facing government department, not a bougie nightclub.Racist
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2023, 09:42:08 AM
How is this legal lol?
Feels like our government is at fault too for allowing this to happen
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2023, 09:47:45 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2023, 02:03:50 PM
https://twitter.com/public_citizen/status/1613256958449958913?s=46&t=XoO1mEKeYerkPkcuP2eflw
How is this legal lol?
Feels like our government is at fault too for allowing this to happen
It's not exactly honest
That 2.5 billion figure includes 1.5 billion that the United States paid for the first 100 million doses of the vaccine
Not to mention Moderna has been out for what 15 years focusing on MRNA vaccine technology. Surely those years of research cost them billions. Just because they don't directly tie it to the covid vaccine doesn't mean that Moderna didn't invest in it
If you want to argue against Moderna charging whatever price for the vaccine or against pharmaceutical companies by all means go for it. But this public citizen excrement is 100% dishonest and misleading
Post by: delavan on January 17, 2023, 08:20:38 AM
https://youtu.be/lTXH9YImerQ
Post by: Badger on January 17, 2023, 09:50:10 AM
Jimmy Kimmel lifting Fred Schneider (B-52’s) “Love Shack” and making a cringy whateverWrong Jimmy
https://youtu.be/lTXH9YImerQ
It's amazing how Fallon made all of late night talk shows completely unwatchable to me.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 17, 2023, 09:55:26 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2023, 10:14:55 AM
I'll say it every time: the only thing Jimmy Fallon should host is a parasite.
hahaha
Post by: Libero_2 on January 17, 2023, 06:40:02 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2023, 06:44:38 PM
Almost made it 3 years… but Covid finally got meHope you feel better soon
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 17, 2023, 08:12:18 PM
Almost made it 3 years… but Covid finally got me
Ugh, good luck, and hopefully it passes fast and symptom free.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 17, 2023, 08:49:26 PM
Almost made it 3 years… but Covid finally got me
Feel better soon, dude.
Post by: delavan on January 17, 2023, 10:13:07 PM
Almost made it 3 years… but Covid finally got meSorry to hear. Having had it important to keep hydrated.
Mix the following in a pitcher:
- 1⁄2 ‒ 3⁄4 tsp salt
- 1 cup of juice (orange, grape, apple, cranberry)
- 3 1⁄2 cups water
be well L
Post by: dcm1602 on January 18, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Sorry to hear. Having had it important to keep hydrated.
Mix the following in a pitcher:
- 1⁄2 ‒ 3⁄4 tsp salt
- 1 cup of juice (orange, grape, apple, cranberry)
- 3 1⁄2 cups water
be well L
Or just you know drink Gatorade
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2023, 11:54:06 AM
Or just you know drink Gatorade
or water
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 18, 2023, 12:04:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2023, 12:38:14 PM
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2023, 12:47:18 PM
Or just you know drink GatoradeI'd like to know more about delavan's homemade hydration punch. We might need it if we do a hot weather tailgate this year.
Post by: delavan on January 18, 2023, 02:47:14 PM
Or just you know drink GatoradeLike omg
For starters, homemade pennies vs. commercial dollars minus:
Gatorade Fruit Punch (FD&C red dye #40)
Gatorade Glacier Freeze--Frost (FD&C blue dye #1)
Gatorade Lemon-Lime (FD&C yellow
Post by: dcm1602 on January 18, 2023, 03:16:24 PM
Like omg
For starters, homemade pennies vs. commercial dollars minus:
Gatorade Fruit Punch (FD&C red dye #40)
Gatorade Glacier Freeze--Frost (FD&C blue dye #1)
Gatorade Lemon-Lime (FD&C yellow
Dye is practically medicine
Post by: Heismanberg on January 18, 2023, 03:26:42 PM
I'd like to know more about delavan's homemade hydration punch.
we need to come up with a name for this
Post by: Libero_2 on January 18, 2023, 04:22:39 PM
we need to come up with a name for this
Is hydration punch not good enough for you?
Post by: delavan on January 18, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
Dye is practically medicinePractically or exactically? Ok ‘go dye’ then.
we need to come up with a name for this
Quote from: delavan
Be well LHow about the “Be well L” muscatel ?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 18, 2023, 04:28:36 PM
we need to come up with a name for this
The Salty Payoff
Moist Load
Suck Juice
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2023, 04:46:34 PM
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2023, 05:58:02 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 18, 2023, 06:09:31 PM
Does the GHB get added to the batch or is it added on a per pour basis?
GHB goes directly in the anus, then chug the mixture, call it a Zombie Dog Fight.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 18, 2023, 06:36:16 PM
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2023, 06:49:58 PM
Needs moar Yellow 5Just like mom used to make.
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2023, 07:04:11 PM
Just like mom used to make.
Yellow 5 in aspic
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
Seems like this will have awful consequences.
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2023, 08:27:43 AM
https://apnews.com/article/biden-united-states-government-district-of-columbia-covid-public-health-2a80b547f6d55706a6986debc343b9fe
Seems like this will have awful consequences.
It has now reached a similar stage of endemic illness for which we have both prophylactic and reactive medicines as influenza. Like influenza, it will kill a surprisingly large number of people every year and no one outside the medical community and those directly at risk will pay any attention. We don't have emergency measures for the flu either.
Keep getting vaccinated and move on with your life is about all you can do.
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2023, 08:51:26 AM
Keep getting vaccinated and move on with your life is about all you can do.
But I can't afford any more autism.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 31, 2023, 09:27:06 AM
But I can't afford any more autism.
Same. I'm already over the limit to emigrate to New Zealand.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 31, 2023, 11:33:32 AM
The XBB variant (Kraken) currently on the uptick has shown some ability to circumvent not just natural immunity but also the bivalent vaccine. And we're already seeing reactive treatments (monoclonal antibodies) fail.
3700 Americans died last week from Covid. Far lower than the 5000+ just one year ago, but not an insignificant number. And we're still early days of understanding the full extent of long Covid.
Honestly, I get it. Folks want "normal." All I care about is that taking away the emergency is going to make the vaccines both vastly more expensive, and less frequent (1x/year) making them far less protective.
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2023, 12:23:06 PM
https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200623-wilson-universalflu.html
Quote
nfluenza causes millions of cases of illness around the world every year and at least several hundred thousand fatalities. Flu viruses have long posed a challenge for vaccine designers because they can mutate rapidly and vary considerably from strain to strain.
I think that covid might mutate at a different speed to flu, but I'm sure one of our resident medical experts can provide more worthwhile knowledge than me.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 31, 2023, 01:01:13 PM
Flu absolutely is constantly mutating. Each year the vaccine that is produced is different based on what they expect the dominant strain to be.
https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200623-wilson-universalflu.html
I think that covid might mutate at a different speed to flu, but I'm sure one of our resident medical experts can provide more worthwhile knowledge than me.
My (unprofessional) understanding has been that the problem with the flu is that there are a few different strains, and the vaccine can only be produced for a small number of them each year, so it's a guessing game, based on scientific evidence, which strain/strains will be dominant that year. I'm certainly willing to hear contrary info from a professional.
Regardless, that doesn't address the point that once you've recovered from the flu, it's generally processed out of your body, whereas covid is being found in survivors 2+ years later.
Again, my problem isn't that people want to go back to "normal" (whatever that is) it's that removing the emergency sets off a domino effect that makes further prevention harder and more expensive.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 31, 2023, 01:12:53 PM
It has now reached a similar stage of endemic illness for which we have both prophylactic and reactive medicines as influenza. Like influenza, it will kill a surprisingly large number of people every year and no one outside the medical community and those directly at risk will pay any attention. We don't have emergency measures for the flu either.You word things well. I agree. Unless we have a new variant that causes more severe disease rather than just being more transmissible, it has to end sometime. Yes there may be long term symptoms we do and don't know about yet, but it isn't really an emergency anymore. Things can change, but things have been stable for a while now.
Keep getting vaccinated and move on with your life is about all you can do.
If you want to argue about some of the other benefits that will end because of this, that's a whole separate argument on whether some of them should exist regardless of a covid emergency.
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2023, 01:28:51 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 31, 2023, 01:53:25 PM
You word things well. I agree. Unless we have a new variant that causes more severe disease rather than just being more transmissible, it has to end sometime. Yes there may be long term symptoms we do and don't know about yet, but it isn't really an emergency anymore. Things can change, but things have been stable for a while now.
If you want to argue about some of the other benefits that will end because of this, that's a whole separate argument on whether some of them should exist regardless of a covid emergency.
That gets to the heart of it. I agree we can't be in pandemic-mode forever. Life has to move forward. But no one is acting under the effects of the emergency order anymore, so completely removing it only serves to allow the pharmas to make a lot more money and reduces the access to prophylactics and treatments people should have continued access to.
The problem is many of the things they're rolling back are things that should be in place 100% of the time. Particularly in regards to healthcare costs.
But if we start giving out healthcare to everyone, then aren't we just Russia?
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
That gets to the heart of it. I agree we can't be in pandemic-mode forever. Life has to move forward. But no one is acting under the effects of the emergency order anymore, so completely removing it only serves to allow the pharmas to make a lot more money and reduces the access to prophylactics and treatments people should have continued access to.
But if we start giving out healthcare to everyone, then aren't we just Russia?
No argument here, but this is an issue of your country's fucked up healthcare model rather than anything specific to covid.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 31, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
No argument here, but this is an issue of your country's fucked up healthcare model rather than anything specific to covid.
If we weren't so fat and out of breath, we'd punch the top hat off us.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2023, 10:32:39 PM
https://nyti.ms/3HRxDAd
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 06, 2023, 10:51:49 PM
This is cheerful.
https://nyti.ms/3HRxDAd
Yay 50% fatality rate!
Post by: delavan on February 06, 2023, 11:21:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2023, 07:28:43 AM
https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1621565175416426498
It's paylocked so didn't read the article
But it's an opinion article about how we're all going to die written by a sociologist who has a background in computer science?
Color me skeptical
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2023, 07:28:58 AM
This is cheerful.
https://nyti.ms/3HRxDAd
paywall'd
EDIT: fack u dcm
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2023, 07:40:27 AM
It's paylocked so didn't read the article
But it's an opinion article about how we're all going to die written by a sociologist who has a background in computer science?
Color me skeptical
You're skeptical of an article you didn't read?
Also, if you don't understand the common ground between sociology and epidemiology then it's better to say so, rather than just making yourself look even sillier.
Post by: delavan on February 07, 2023, 12:02:31 PM
It's paylocked so didn't read the articleHey mr. JO A-list vvv .. prolly skipped the paylock bypass .. ; )
But it's an opinion article about how we're all going to die written by a sociologist who has a background in computer science?
Color me skeptical
https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1621565175416426498
Post by: ons on February 07, 2023, 12:51:48 PM
It's paylocked so didn't read the article
But it's an opinion article about how we're all going to die written by a sociologist who has a background in computer science?
Color me skeptical
Zeynep Tufekci is might be my favorite writer online right now, her background in digital data accumulation made her the absolute best early pandemic resource out there, one of the first people to be writing consistently about air quality and circulation being the most important factor for covid spread. Relatedly, Twitter and Tear Gas is also an excellent book, she's really strong regarding identifying digital trends and how they impact real world crises.
This article isn't saying 'we're all going to die,' more like there should be steps taken to prevent this variant of H5N1 from becoming deadly to humans. And generally, stronger anti-pandemic measures should be taken in places where we keep large amounts of animals prone to the development of diseases that can be deadly to humans.
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2023, 01:21:16 PM
This article isn't saying 'we're all going to die,' more like there should be steps taken to prevent this variant of H5N1 from becoming deadly to humans. And generally, stronger anti-pandemic measures should be taken in places where we keep large amounts of animals prone to the development of diseases that can be deadly to humans.
But more importantly, how would these measures affect the economy?
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2023, 01:36:31 PM
But more importantly, how would these measures affect the economy?
Don't you be putting them experimental vaccines in no chickens, I want muh nuggets unsullied with your chemicals!
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2023, 03:16:16 PM
Don't you be putting them experimental vaccines in no chickens, I want muh nuggets unsullied with your chemicals!
Pureblood Chickens® by Purdue
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2023, 03:40:33 PM
Don't you be putting them experimental vaccines in no chickens, I want muh nuggets unsullied with your chemicals!
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Post by: d sw0rdz on February 11, 2023, 11:44:32 AM
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SHE ACTIN LIKE SHE DA QUEEN
AND WE DA SOWWY PEOPLE
Post by: Badger on February 15, 2023, 04:57:06 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2023, 05:08:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1625973203133759490?s=19
This tweet makes no sense.
Quote
Moderna says it will keep its Covid vaccine free for all people in the U.S.—reversing course on its planned 400% price increase
My one man war on Twitter stupidity is undoubtedly futile but I'm not going to give it up.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2023, 08:40:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2023, 08:51:39 AM
Please contain your disappointment every time we get covid stuff for free.
I am 100% behind actual medication, including and especially vaccines and any other form of prophylactic, being free of charge. Put aside your instinctive rage at the mere mention of anything involving a corporation for a minute, go back and read the part of the tweet I quoted, and see if you can figure out what I'm talking about. I'll give you a clue, it involves elementary school level mathematics.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2023, 09:06:28 AM
I am 100% behind actual medication, including and especially vaccines and any other form of prophylactic, being free of charge. Put aside your instinctive rage at the mere mention of anything involving a corporation for a minute, go back and read the part of the tweet I quoted, and see if you can figure out what I'm talking about. I'll give you a clue, it involves elementary school level mathematics.
Free to the US public but there is a nominal price per dosage that would have been quadrupled and charged to the individual consumer. This isn't too difficult to figure out without getting bent out of shape and turning into a lame version of 90s Conan bits.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2023, 09:13:36 AM
Free to the US public but there is a nominal price per dosage that would have been quadrupled and charged to the individual consumer. This isn't too difficult to figure out without getting bent out of shape and turning into a lame version of 90s Conan bits.
No, there were no qualifiers to that statement. Twitter now allows something like 4000 characters so there's no "I couldn't fit it in" excuse. A 400% multiplier of free is free. A 40,000% multiplier of free is free.
Either Moderna are not currently giving the vaccine for free, or they are not applying a 400% multiplier to it. This isn't a grey area, it's a basic exercise in contradictory statements and I'm sick of people regurgitating idiocy like this on Twitter. Facts are facts and they don't get to be interpreted and twisted into whatever suits your narrative no matter which point you're starting from on the political spectrum. excrement like this is exactly what Trump was quite rightly pilloried for.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2023, 09:16:29 AM
No, there were no qualifiers to that statement. Twitter now allows something like 4000 characters so there's no "I couldn't fit it in" excuse. A 400% multiplier of free is free. A 40,000% multiplier of free is free.
Either Moderna are not currently giving the vaccine for free, or they are not applying a 400% multiplier to it. This isn't a grey area, it's a basic exercise in contradictory statements and I'm sick of people regurgitating idiocy like this on Twitter. Facts are facts and they don't get to be interpreted and twisted into whatever suits your narrative no matter which point you're starting from on the political spectrum. excrement like this is exactly what Trump was quite rightly pilloried for.
It's giving Old Man Yells at Cloud.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2023, 09:31:49 AM
It's giving Old Man Yells at Cloud.
Old man yells at lazy misinformation.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2023, 10:01:46 AM
Old man yells at lazy misinformation.
I'm sure it will hear you eventually.
Post by: delavan on February 16, 2023, 11:29:16 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2023, 11:30:47 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Howlsnow.jpg/243px-Howlsnow.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Operation_Warp_Speed_Vaccine_Event_%2850705630873%29.jpg/320px-Operation_Warp_Speed_Vaccine_Event_%2850705630873%29.jpg)
I don't get it. Did Trump cry wolf?
Post by: MBGreen on February 16, 2023, 11:32:35 AM
I don't get it. Did Trump cry wolf?
trump's a werewolf?
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2023, 12:03:57 PM
I'm sure it will hear you eventually.
Way ahead of you:
My one man war on Twitter stupidity is undoubtedly futile but I'm not going to give it up.
Post by: delavan on February 16, 2023, 12:10:16 PM
I don't get it. Did Trump cry wolf?Nah, just a corny summation of the previous posts (old man yells at cloud/wolf howling at moon) along with the guy who was was “quite rightly pilloried”
Me, fully vaxxed, fully boosted and currently in the throes of ‘long covid’ (i.e. extended symptoms namely dizziness/vertigo)
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 17, 2023, 12:03:40 AM
No, there were no qualifiers to that statement. Twitter now allows something like 4000 characters so there's no "I couldn't fit it in" excuse. A 400% multiplier of free is free. A 40,000% multiplier of free is free.
Either Moderna are not currently giving the vaccine for free, or they are not applying a 400% multiplier to it. This isn't a grey area, it's a basic exercise in contradictory statements and I'm sick of people regurgitating idiocy like this on Twitter. Facts are facts and they don't get to be interpreted and twisted into whatever suits your narrative no matter which point you're starting from on the political spectrum. excrement like this is exactly what Trump was quite rightly pilloried for.
Maybe the tweet was "lazy" but it wasn't misinformation or in any way wrong or subject to interpretation or twisting to narratives. The vaccine was never "free" to US citizens. The US federal government has just been footing the bill all along.
All it takes is a quick ol' google...
Quote
Some pharmaceutical companies have already indicated they will raise the cost of their vaccines once they are on the commercial market. For instance, Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel said he expects Medicare reimbursement for the company's vaccine to be $60 in the future—much higher than the $16.50 per dose the federal government initially paid.Source:https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2022/08/19/covid-costs (https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2022/08/19/covid-costs)
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 17, 2023, 12:06:52 AM
Nah, just a corny summation of the previous posts (old man yells at cloud/wolf howling at moon) along with the guy who was was “quite rightly pilloried”
Me, fully vaxxed, fully boosted and currently in the throes of ‘long covid’ (i.e. extended symptoms namely dizziness/vertigo)
Sorry to hear that. My wife's been in the long-Covid boat since Christmas 2021. My boss since April 2020. As with them, I hope it dissipates for you soon.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2023, 06:04:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 17, 2023, 07:04:12 AM
So the TLDR is Moderna thinks the life saving vaccine that crippled a global pandemic should be less than the price of a video game instead of less than the price of a hamburger?
I get it for free
I really don't know what's worse...you Americans shooting each other up in malls/universities or charging a ransom for medication. Either way, you die.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2023, 07:08:19 AM
I get it for freeBut we have more fun?
I really don't know what's worse...you Americans shooting each other up in malls/universities or charging a ransom for medication. Either way, you die.
Post by: MBGreen on February 17, 2023, 07:13:37 AM
But we have more fun?
just like blonds?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2023, 07:18:49 AM
just like blonds?I wouldn't know, I missed the fun boat.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 17, 2023, 10:25:35 AM
So the TLDR is Moderna thinks the life saving vaccine that crippled a global pandemic should be less than the price of a video game instead of less than the price of a hamburger?
The difference of course being, poor and/or old people don't die because they couldn't afford to play Madden.
Post by: delavan on February 18, 2023, 01:33:00 PM
Sorry to hear that. My wife's been in the long-Covid boat since Christmas 2021. My boss since April 2020. As with them, I hope it dissipates for you soon.Thanks Alio. Best wishes to yours as well.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 21, 2023, 07:58:10 PM
Thanks Alio. Best wishes to yours as well.
Thanks, brother.
Here's a really great article for anyone with an interest in long-Covid. I disagree with the whole "it's over" attitude, despite things being significantly better than the past 3 years at this time. We need to "fix" long-Covid and then this is "over." Hopefully, we're on that path now: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/long-covid-now-looks-like-a-neurological-disease-helping-doctors-to-focus-treatments/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/long-covid-now-looks-like-a-neurological-disease-helping-doctors-to-focus-treatments/)
Post by: dcm1602 on February 21, 2023, 09:23:29 PM
The difference of course being, poor and/or old people don't die because they couldn't afford to play Madden.
I work a state hospital
Poor and old (poor) people don't pay for anything
But I am sorry for the excrement yall are dealing with
And I'm not trying to turn this into some political thing about whether healthcare should be free or not.
Just suggesting I don't think it's fair with a life saving vaccine for 50$ being lumped in with some of the more ridiculous price gouging we've seen in Healthcare
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 22, 2023, 10:32:32 AM
I work a state hospital
Poor and old (poor) people don't pay for anything
But I am sorry for the excrement yall are dealing with
And I'm not trying to turn this into some political thing about whether healthcare should be free or not.
Just suggesting I don't think it's fair with a life saving vaccine for 50$ being lumped in with some of the more ridiculous price gouging we've seen in Healthcare
You inadvertently identified the problem. It's not that an overinflated covid vaccine is more ridiculous than any other medical treatment, it's that the price of it all is ridiculous.
Moderna/Pfizer can't even make the standard argument that they need to recoup the expense of R&D on this one. The US government handed them a billion dollars to fund it upfront. I'm not even saying Moderna has no right to increase the cost. But more than 3.5 times the current cost? Hard no.
Also, I didn't really care much about the topic, but the whole "simple mathematics" argument was being echoed repeatedly outside of just JE, and it's completely invalid because as I illustrated, the drug was never "free" in the first place.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 11:26:55 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2023, 11:53:31 AM
You inadvertently identified the problem. It's not that an overinflated covid vaccine is more ridiculous than any other medical treatment, it's that the price of it all is ridiculous.
Moderna/Pfizer can't even make the standard argument that they need to recoup the expense of R&D on this one. The US government handed them a billion dollars to fund it upfront. I'm not even saying Moderna has no right to increase the cost. But more than 3.5 times the current cost? Hard no.
Also, I didn't really care much about the topic, but the whole "simple mathematics" argument was being echoed repeatedly outside of just JE, and it's completely invalid because as I illustrated, the drug was never "free" in the first place.
To be clear: I am 100% in favour of essential and/or prescribed pharmaceuticals being free, or almost free, to their recipients. My objection was very specifically about idiots on Twitter making arguments that don't conform to basic logic and thus rendering those arguments worthless. If they can't understand what your point is and how to make it, it's not worth discussing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 22, 2023, 08:08:58 PM
Didn't these companies spend years/decades and billions of dollars researching the technology before the US govt jumped in and gave them some money when covid happened?
I could waste the time googling it but I won't, but I recall seeing somewhere that the covid vaccine was Moderna's first successful formula. MRNA research has been around a while, but it hasn't been successful. Until, again, the US government threw a billion dollars at it.
To be clear: I am 100% in favour of essential and/or prescribed pharmaceuticals being free, or almost free, to their recipients. My objection was very specifically about idiots on Twitter making arguments that don't conform to basic logic and thus rendering those arguments worthless. If they can't understand what your point is and how to make it, it's not worth discussing.
I hear you. And it wasn't meant to be a direct attack on you. I saw the same thing repeated over and over elsewhere, including the replies to the original tweet, and it was simply incorrect. The whole "6 times zero is zero" was wrong right from the start. Whether that was because the OP thought everyone knew the vax wasn't "free" in the first place, or he was being lazy, I don't know. But it doesn't change the fact that Moderna was going to charge multiples of the original cost, which wasn't zero. And getting called to testify to the Senate as to why changed his tune quite quickly.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 22, 2023, 08:33:03 PM
I could waste the time googling it but I won't, but I recall seeing somewhere that the covid vaccine was Moderna's first successful formula. MRNA research has been around a while, but it hasn't been successful. Until, again, the US government threw a billion dollars at it.
I hear you. And it wasn't meant to be a direct attack on you. I saw the same thing repeated over and over elsewhere, including the replies to the original tweet, and it was simply incorrect. The whole "6 times zero is zero" was wrong right from the start. Whether that was because the OP thought everyone knew the vax wasn't "free" in the first place, or he was being lazy, I don't know. But it doesn't change the fact that Moderna was going to charge multiples of the original cost, which wasn't zero. And getting called to testify to the Senate as to why changed his tune quite quickly.
Even if it was their first successful use of it, which I'll take your word for it.
This was still a companies lifetime cultivation.
Imagine spending 20 years and billions of dollars developing a plane, then having the military jump in right at the end with some funding because there's a war and making them entitled to your careers work.
This companies work in a manner of speaking saved the world. I'm totally okay with them charging 50$ now that the world's not on fire
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 23, 2023, 09:04:44 AM
Even if it was their first successful use of it, which I'll take your word for it.
This was still a companies lifetime cultivation.
Imagine spending 20 years and billions of dollars developing a plane, then having the military jump in right at the end with some funding because there's a war and making them entitled to your careers work.
This companies work in a manner of speaking saved the world. I'm totally okay with them charging 50$ now that the world's not on fire
Your analogy doesn't work because it's incomplete.
Imagine a company has spent 10 years working on cutting-edge plane tech but the birds never take the sky. They collect billions of dollars in funding along the way on promises that someday their machines will soar.
Then a war comes along and the US government says "We think you have potential to build a ship we can use in the fight, here's hundreds of millions in cash to speed up your work. Oh, and if you get it right, we'll pay you a reasonable rate for every plane you produce for us until the war ends. Oh, and you can keep any tech you develop along the way to develop other planes going forward."
I said I wouldn't bother to google them, but now I did. The vaccine was their first commercially viable product in 10 years of work. And they were already getting government grants before Warp Speed. https://www.investopedia.com/how-moderna-makes-money-5179565 (https://www.investopedia.com/how-moderna-makes-money-5179565)
Post by: delavan on February 27, 2023, 06:19:44 AM
“Two sources said that the Department of Energy assessed in the intelligence report that it had ‘low confidence’ the Covid-19 virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan.“
Ah, the back and forth finger-pointing shitstorm this should produce …
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology_main_entrance.jpg/320px-Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology_main_entrance.jpg)
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2023, 10:47:18 PM
Ah, the back and forth finger-pointing shitstorm this should produce …
Thomas Massie has entered the ring
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1631277085548331010?t=ubrxeUQwWhMrrINviqRyUA&s=19
Post by: delavan on March 04, 2023, 07:02:42 AM
https://www.amny.com/police-fire/top-nypd-official-instructs-businesses-require-patrons-take-off-masks-as-condition-of-entry/
Post by: MBGreen on March 17, 2023, 07:22:12 AM
Feel like derriere.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 17, 2023, 07:32:04 AM
My 3 year streak is over...tested covid positive this morning.
Feel like derriere.
Ugh, good luck on a speedy recovery!
Post by: delavan on March 17, 2023, 09:42:38 AM
My 3 year streak is over...tested covid positive this morning.Sorry to hear MB. Get well and be well Sir. Rest.
Feel like derriere.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 17, 2023, 02:22:19 PM
My 3 year streak is over...tested covid positive this morning.
Feel like derriere.
Per Rapoport: MBGreen tested positive for Covid and AIDS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 08:00:15 PM
Enjoy your aids
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 25, 2023, 09:28:38 PM
https://twitter.com/liz_churchill9/status/1650738601787793408?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Enjoy your aids
Where can I sign up to be paid to act as an anonymous whistle blower?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2023, 11:16:12 PM
Weekly dose of comment AIDS
Post by: delavan on June 04, 2023, 10:46:19 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/covid-rebound-detected-new-york-city-wastewater/
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2023, 09:05:33 AM
High concentrations of COVID detected at all 14 New York City wastewater treatment plants
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/covid-rebound-detected-new-york-city-wastewater/
you guys live like hamsters.
Post by: delavan on June 05, 2023, 10:04:54 AM
you guys live like hamsters.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Hamster_in_hand.jpg/320px-Hamster_in_hand.jpg)
It depends. On Fire Island they live like gerbils.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Syrian_hamster_-_mating.jpg/320px-Syrian_hamster_-_mating.jpg)
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2023, 09:19:31 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 14, 2023, 09:31:34 AM
https://fortune.com/well/2023/06/12/millions-still-cant-taste-smell-because-of-covid/
3 years later for my boss, and 2.5 for my wife and both are still suffering long-Covid. Though both have smell and taste. It's mostly the brain fog and fatigue. My boss literally stops talking mid-sentence and never picks it back up.
I got super sick a month ago but never tested positive. But I've had some fog and fatigue and a cough that won't quit ever since.
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2023, 12:54:11 PM
https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?t=YZsHgpGJsC5isB_tgAlTrQ&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 16, 2023, 10:04:50 AM
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2023, 10:18:17 AM
https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1680237265510092800?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgFollowed up with "how can I be antisemitic if I support Israel so much?"
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 16, 2023, 10:22:52 AM
https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1680237265510092800?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Picking up where the Joes left off.
Post by: delavan on July 20, 2023, 05:38:04 PM
/ authority speak” at various stages of a story (in all its cynical and calculated glory).
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-arrests-moscow-archive-idaho-493cfd970eda54a57b8bc6ebb7f5d5f2
”3 arrested at Idaho church singing event to flout mask order.”
https://twitter.com/kxly4news/status/1680004293586198528
⬆️
” Five people were issued citations for violating the city’s mask and social distancing order, and two of them were also arrested on suspicion of resisting or obstructing an officer, said Moscow Police Chief James Fry.”
Looking at the Twitter pix above: SUSPICION of resisting? SUSPICION of obstructing?? WTF?
epilogue: AP chose not to go to press with a $ettlement follow-up story
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 11:45:50 AM
excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 11:46:47 AM
It’s from a verified account though, so you know it’s legit
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 11:47:52 AM
https://twitter.com/leadingreport/status/1684329252529790977?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
excrement
lmao
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
https://twitter.com/leadingreport/status/1684329252529790977?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
excrement
This is clearly and obviously disprovable however you choose to read it.
1. The vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same likelihood of death, 100%.
2. The vaccinated stand a much higher chance of dying from complications related to the vaccine than the unvaccinated do, in the same way as your chances of dying from falling out of the sky while hang gliding are significantly reduced by not going hang gliding.
3. Statistics clearly prove that the likelihood of dying from covid itself is much greater if unvaccinated.
So I'm not really sure what nonsensical theory that tweet is trying to prove.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2023, 12:21:05 PM
So I'm not really sure what nonsensical theory that tweet is trying to prove.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230727/7b45ee8756f2dca7c0c6d0ea2687a257.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 12:41:01 PM
This is clearly and obviously disprovable however you choose to read it.
1. The vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same likelihood of death, 100%.
2. The vaccinated stand a much higher chance of dying from complications related to the vaccine than the unvaccinated do, in the same way as your chances of dying from falling out of the sky while hang gliding are significantly reduced by not going hang gliding.
3. Statistics clearly prove that the likelihood of dying from covid itself is much greater if unvaccinated.
So I'm not really sure what nonsensical theory that tweet is trying to prove.
I thought my "lmao" post covered this...but you did an eloquent job of breaking it down perfectly.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
1. The vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same likelihood of death, 100%.
As of now I have disproven this. Talk to me again after I eat this burrito.
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2023, 08:33:28 PM
https://twitter.com/iluminatibot/status/1685202255220264960?t=EqKyjC1L5vhf3x6n6YlV4g&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2023, 08:07:53 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2023, 09:05:33 PM
Physics the study of disease, vaccines, and mortality.
Did you mean psychics?
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2023, 10:15:36 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2023, 02:37:11 PM
Heard. Couple people the last few days mention Rona spiking
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2023, 05:28:56 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2023, 07:03:28 AM
https://twitter.com/leadingreport/status/1690154626786484225?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
If they only knew what a control group wss
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 24, 2023, 09:22:14 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 28, 2023, 11:58:51 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 28, 2023, 12:00:16 PM
3.5 years, it finally got meStrategically catching it in time to guarantee you don't miss tailgate is a pro move.
Feel better soon.
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
a quick synopsis of the new variant going around.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2023, 08:11:32 AM
https://winnipegsun.com/news/canada/pirola-covid-variant/wcm/0e3f76cd-2c32-4bde-bd0b-8015e33ef38a
a quick synopsis of the new variant going around.
Will this one also make my throat feel like I'm working a glory hole and every rooster is wrapped in barbed wire?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2023, 08:13:45 AM
Will this one also make my throat feel like I'm working a glory hole and every rooster is wrapped in barbed wire?
You asked the right person
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2023, 08:21:31 AM
You asked the right person
I hope your pillow is warm tonight
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 09:18:41 AM
We were so pissed because we've been those holdouts still masking up and everything. We finally relented around mid-August and it took like 2 weeks to get screwed. All I want is twice-yearly boosters. To me, that's how we go back to "normal." I get that many people won't take it, but give me the option. I hate needles, but I'm happy to get jabbed if it keeps my antibodies high enough that I never feel like that again.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 10:14:53 PM
Chefs kiss
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2023, 11:14:02 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
I have three employees quarantined at home for COVID right now. It's really going around.
I'm waiting patiently for the updated vaccine to be available here.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2023, 11:34:30 AM
I have three employees quarantined at home for COVID right now. It's really going around.
I have a remote employee that has "strep throat" after his kids tested positive for COVID at school this week. He refuses to get tested.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 27, 2023, 12:05:16 PM
I have a remote employee that has "strep throat" after his kids tested positive for COVID at school this week. He refuses to get tested.
Christ, what an poopchute.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2023, 12:06:58 PM
I have a remote employee that has "strep throat" after his kids tested positive for COVID at school this week. He refuses to get tested.queynte
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2023, 12:11:11 PM
I have a remote employee that has "strep throat" after his kids tested positive for COVID at school this week. He refuses to get tested.Being a thick lady garden isn't protected grounds and you can fire him.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2023, 12:16:24 PM
Being a thick lady garden isn't protected grounds and you can fire him.
He works from home, so we really can't do anything.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2023, 12:52:03 PM
He works from home, so we really can't do anything.
this guy is Spicoli and you're Mr.Hand
#Aloha
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2023, 01:26:57 PM
He works from home, so we really can't do anything.Yeah, more of a him/his family problem than a you problem.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2023, 01:50:14 PM
Yeah, more of a him/his family problem than a you problem.
Not really a Heismanberg problem, but you have to figure this guy is just going out wherever without a mask and spreading.
There are people all over public transportation clearly sick and spreading. I've had people come into the office who are definitely infected.