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The Rest Of The Sports World => Designated Hitters Make Baseball Better => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
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BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN.
Additionally, MLB will fine the Astros $5 million and take away their first- and second-round picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts, sources tell ESPN.
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No players were disciplined by Major League Baseball in the Astros' investigation. While Mets manager Carlos Beltran was part of it, he was a player at the time and thus was not suspended.
Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora is coming. It is going to be harsh, per sources.
LETS GO
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Wow
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https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1216797832985960449?s=21
Lmao that scumbag Cora was the freaking ringleader
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It is technically not a year-long suspension for Jeff Luhnow and AJ Hinch. Their suspensions begin today and conclude the day after the 2020 World Series ends.
It is still a massive suspension -- and considering Alex Cora's apparently culpability, his is bound to be far longer.
Oh
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Not a great week for Houston Texas.
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Not a great week for Houston Texas.
purple drank szn
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Hinch and Luhnow fired
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Hinch and Luhnow fired
That escalated quickly
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Alex Cora should be banned for life.
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https://twitter.com/metskevin11/status/1216803584739880960?s=21
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Alex Cora should be banned for life.
This energy and nothing else in this thread.
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(http://dodgersdigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DodgersNLCS2017TeamPicture.jpg)
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This went well.
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https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1216849225864138754?s=21
Alex Cora thrown under the bus and backed over in reverse by the Astros former GM
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https://twitter.com/chosen1ra/status/1216844089422962691?s=21
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https://twitter.com/chosen1ra/status/1216844089422962691?s=21
Did he change his Twitter handle? I'm sure that wasn't what it used to be.
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cora is so beyond fucked
inb4 the permanent ineligibility list
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cora is so beyond fucked
inb4 the permanent ineligibility list
RT
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I could give a freak about baseball. But when/and or how much is the media comparing this situation to the Patriots? They essentially did the same thing and worse for several years and repeatedly got caught.
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I could give a freak about baseball. But when/and or how much is the media comparing this situation to the Patriots? They essentially did the same thing and worse for several years and repeatedly got caught.
dcm, you either say freak Alex Cora or be gone from this thread. None of your silly questions here
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dcm, you either say freak Alex Cora or be gone from this thread. None of your silly questions here
No salary cap, he's lost.
Lawst, ya lawst!
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Saw an interesting point. If [when] the Sawx shitcan Cora, will the Mets decide to cut ties with Beltran?
The fallout from this is incredible.
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Saw an interesting point. If [when] the Sawx shitcan Cora, will the Mets decide to cut ties with Beltran?
The fallout from this is incredible.
Actually, managing the Mets is his punishment.
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What are the media talking heads all bellyaching about? Astros? Red Sox? This is a GREAT day for baseball.
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So the last legit AL title was KC in 2015, maybe we change this forum name as part of the punishment.
We can call it Communist Kickball and Other More American Sports, Knicks and Knacks, #FireEveryHockeyCoach, Boston Cheats at Everything, whatever.
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i dont think beltran is going to be fired or punished at all. the mlb statement made it fairly clear they werent going to punish the players involved because many of them were no longer part of the team, it would be punishing other teams because of the misdeeds of the astros.
cora is gonna get obliterated because he went and did it again and "won" another title while cheating. beltran presumably wont be initiating another sign stealing operation in new york
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So the last legit AL title was KC in 2015, maybe we change this forum name as part of the punishment.
We can call it Communist Kickball and Other More American Sports, Knicks and Knacks, #FireEveryHockeyCoach, Boston Cheats at Everything, whatever.
We can't change this forum's name, due to its objective truth.
But I like "Boston Cheats at Everything", for its intrinsic truth.
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Alex Cora is out as Boston Red Sox manager following the fallout of the sign-stealing scandals that have enveloped baseball.
Passan
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Well that’s too BYEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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red sox trying really hard to walk the line with their statement.
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gates are open, everyone is going down now
accusations coming about the yankees and dodgers too, now
https://twitter.com/JohnTrupin/status/1216832903080022019
John Trupin
@JohnTrupin
Some more detailed accusations from Logan Morrison on Instagram, calling out the Astros as far back as 2014, as well as the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox for using technology to aid sign-stealing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOMPCGrWkAEd-g7?format=jpg&name=orig)
we're just getting started here, boys
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Logan Morrison is less credible than if Ben Allbright and Dan Clark had a biological child together
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The Yankees have been accused of improper conduct before. In one instance it was improper use of a dugout phone. The athletic article that shed light on Cora/Red Sox cheating scheme said that the Yankees were doing something similar with a video room to break down signs, but they weren’t in any way relaying them to the batter. They also stopped doing this excrement after MLB warned all the teams to stop (many teams were doing this), and they stopped doing it before the Red Sox got caught with the Apple Watch scheme and before they cheated with Cora’s astros scheme. Who knows if there will be more investigations but at the surface level it looks like what Cora/Astros did is on a different level than others.
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gates are open, everyone is going down now
accusations coming about the yankees and dodgers too, now
https://twitter.com/JohnTrupin/status/1216832903080022019
John Trupin
@JohnTrupin
Some more detailed accusations from Logan Morrison on Instagram, calling out the Astros as far back as 2014, as well as the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox for using technology to aid sign-stealing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOMPCGrWkAEd-g7?format=jpg&name=orig)
we're just getting started here, boys
freak the Giants
Buster Posey is a bundle of sticks
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The Yankees have been accused of improper conduct before. In one instance it was improper use of a dugout phone. The athletic article that shed light on Cora/Red Sox cheating scheme said that the Yankees were doing something similar with a video room to break down signs, but they weren’t in any way relaying them to the batter. They also stopped doing this excrement after MLB warned all the teams to stop (many teams were doing this), and they stopped doing it before the Red Sox got caught with the Apple Watch scheme and before they cheated with Cora’s astros scheme. Who knows if there will be more investigations but at the surface level it looks like what Cora/Astros did is on a different level than others.
You sound like a Patriots fan.
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You sound like a Patriots fan.
ouch
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You sound like a Patriots fan.
Except the patriots cheat. Other than that, good one
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freak the Giants
Buster Posey is a bundle of sticks
kewl
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Except the patriots cheat. Other than that, good one
Your post boiled down: We don't cheat and that time we were accused of it we weren't doing it and even if we were we stopped when we were told to and anyway everyone else was doing it and you're just bitter because you're not us.
It's exactly what every Patriots fan says every time they get caught cheating. I didn't say that the Yankees were cheating, I said you sound like a Patriots fan.
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Your post boiled down: We don't cheat and that time we were accused of it we weren't doing it and even if we were we stopped when we were told to and anyway everyone else was doing it and you're just bitter because you're not us.
It's exactly what every Patriots fan says every time they get caught cheating. I didn't say that the Yankees were cheating, I said you sound like a Patriots fan.
Not even close man, Patriots fans defend their team after being proven cheaters and being punished by the league. The Yankees aren’t even being investigated. Nice try.
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Not even close man, Patriots fans defend their team after being proven cheaters and being punished by the league. The Yankees aren’t even being investigated. Nice try.
And yet you still felt you had to defend them.
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And yet you still felt you had to defend them.
Yeah we’re not using Logan Morrison as a source in this thread, sorry. The guy is a complete idiot.
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Yeah we’re not using Logan Morrison as a source in this thread, sorry. The guy is a complete idiot.
I'm literally talking about your post. I neither know nor care about the truth of the claims you were addressing, I'm just amused that you've gone full Patriot.
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And yet you still felt you had to defend them.
I'm gonna "sound like a Pats fan" here too I guess.
We can pretty safely assume every team was attempting something along the lines of using technology to cheat with signs to varying degrees. The commissioner's office specifically warned the entire league to stop doing it. The difference between the Astros and everyone else, well, except apparently the Red Sox, was that everyone else seemingly paid heed to the warning.
Also, Logan Morrison is a queynte.
Also, so are Alex Cora and AJ Hinch.
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And just FTR, if it comes to light that the Yankees were violating the edict too, I'm going to be furious. Especially now that they've been acting indignant over the whole thing.
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I'm literally talking about your post. I neither know nor care about the truth of the claims you were addressing, I'm just amused that you've gone full Patriot.
The fact that you keep repeating canned responses rather than dispute the points in my posts makes you more similar to a patriots fan than me lol. Good troll tho, you really tried
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You keep repeating canned responses rather than dispute the points in my posts makes you more similar to a patriots fan than me lol. Good troll tho, you really tried
You're missing the point completely, which is that I'm not disputing anything. Again, I neither know nor care.
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Damn, Aubrey Huff is reporting that the Toronto Blue Jays all gargle each other’s balls in the team video room. Shocking report if true.
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Damn, Aubrey Huff is reporting that the Toronto Blue Jays all gargle each other’s balls in the team video room. Shocking report if true.
lmao
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Damn, Aubrey Huff is reporting that the Toronto Blue Jays all gargle each other’s balls in the team video room. Shocking report if true.
Dudes one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever met, and he keeps proving how freaking stupid he is with every thing he post.
Mike Piazza reported the same thing, tho.
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Damn, Aubrey Huff is reporting that the Toronto Blue Jays all gargle each other’s balls in the team video room. Shocking report if true.
#fakenews
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Jason Giambi is live on MLB network saying that Danny Jansen gargles with Fresca because Bo Bichette likes the tingling sensation on his nutsack
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Jason Giambi is live on MLB network saying that Danny Jansen gargles with Fresca because Bo Bichette likes the tingling sensation on his nutsack
That's fair, though.
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Jason Giambi is live on MLB network saying that Danny Jansen gargles with Fresca because Bo Bichette likes the tingling sensation on his nutsack
who doesn't want to freak Bo Bichette's mullet?
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Well this thread took an interesting turn!
As Alio said, the difference regarding the Yankees is they actually listened when Manfred's office told them to knock it off.
Whereas the Stros and Red Sox doubled down. It's like getting caught with a cheat sheet, having your teacher cut you a break but tell you, hey don't do this again, and rather than actually study, coming up with a more sophisticated way to try and cheat.
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Take the fall
Act hurt
Get the digits
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https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1217269517816147968?s=21
Mad dogs take
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https://twitter.com/baueroutage/status/1217888647468310528?s=21
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https://twitter.com/briggs_tyler/status/1217555800685797376?s=21
She had the Beltran news yesterday before it broke and also knew he was getting hired a couple days before anyone else
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https://twitter.com/mikenash15/status/1217880612322922497?s=21
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https://twitter.com/briggs_tyler/status/1217555800685797376?s=21
She had the Beltran news yesterday before it broke and also knew he was getting hired a couple days before anyone else
Sounds like it’s prob a fake account
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But then there’s this
https://twitter.com/joseph_merkel/status/1217889982775300096?s=21
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But then there’s this
https://twitter.com/joseph_merkel/status/1217889982775300096?s=21
If this is true, they should be suspended longer than the coaches. Maybe, for good.
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https://twitter.com/dren_braves/status/1217891396176056321?s=21
You gotta admit this behavior is shady AF
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freak I wanted to see his body so bad that game
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I clearly didn't see that coming
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https://twitter.com/dren_braves/status/1217891396176056321?s=21
You gotta admit this behavior is shady AF
Pretty incriminating.
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freak I wanted to see his body so bad that game
https://twitter.com/mattgross87/status/1218008758070259714?s=21
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We all know I’m biased, but I know a scumbag lying cheat when I see one. He smells.
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We all know I’m biased, but I know a scumbag lying cheat when I see one. He smells.
Thanks for the pic above
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apparently he had his jersey ripped open a few days prior, and didnt want that to happen again
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Thanks for the pic above
Enjoy jerking off to a 4’9 Mexican, pretty sure that sends you straight to hell according to the New Testament
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apparently he had his jersey ripped open a few days prior, and didnt want that to happen again
Correct
https://twitter.com/kylenyy/status/1217890203207184386?s=21
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https://twitter.com/skum_jad/status/1218003958154907648?s=21
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https://twitter.com/watch_momentum/status/1218217165687607296?s=21
Sheeesh
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i'm bummed for yu darvish
after the scandal was confirmed he came out with a joke tweet saying that if the 2017 dodgers end up celebrating a world series parade, he'd like to wear a 'yu garbage' jersey after everything that happened in game 7 of the series that year
his wife later stated something along the lines of how they weren't bitter about how the astros cheated the dodgers out of the series, and if anything that loss has turned into another developmental piece of darvish's life
this excrement is so fucked up
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i'm bummed for yu darvish
after the scandal was confirmed he came out with a joke tweet saying that if the 2017 dodgers end up celebrating a world series parade, he'd like to wear a 'yu garbage' jersey after everything that happened in game 7 of the series that year
his wife later stated something along the lines of how they weren't bitter about how the astros cheated the dodgers out of the series, and if anything that loss has turned into another developmental piece of darvish's life
this excrement is so fucked up
True. Kershaw in the 2017 World Series at home gave up 1 run in 11 IP with 15 Ks, one game in Houston 4.2 IP, 6 ER pitching with the lead. In his career with a 4+ run lead he was something like 104-0. Yet that Series contributed to the narrative that he can't pitch in the post season.
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https://twitter.com/erinastrosfan/status/1218630393596993536?s=21
Comments. Astros fans are delusional.
“ It’s complete jealousy..😂😂😂 how do we get more play than their own team. Maybe they just want to cover winners. LOL”
“ WE HAVE ARRIVED!! Now we have as much global presence as the YANKS! I don’t care the reason!!! GO STROS!!!”
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if you lived in houston, you'd pretend you were in a different reality as well
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https://twitter.com/erinastrosfan/status/1218630393596993536?s=21
Comments. Astros fans are delusional.
“ It’s complete jealousy..😂😂😂 how do we get more play than their own team. Maybe they just want to cover winners. LOL”
“ WE HAVE ARRIVED!! Now we have as much global presence as the YANKS! I don’t care the reason!!! GO STROS!!!”
Mets advisor, ESPN sportscaster Jessica Mendoza blamed whistleblower Mike Fiers (later walked it back):
https://twitter.com/GolicAndWingo/status/1217790957091000321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1217790957091000321&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2020%2F01%2F16%2Fjessica-mendoza-mets-advisor-rips-mike-fiers-for-exposing-astros-cheating%2F
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all a bunch of fvcking pvssies
the astros players are truly delusional. they were caught cheating, end of. they were caught
how can they go out there and take an 'us vs them' attitude like they're being hard done here? 'the mlb did their investigation, the astros complied with the investigation, that's all there is to it'. nah, how about you guys fvcking talk about how you willingly and knowingly created an elaborate cheating scheme that ruined the integrity of the game and ruined things for other teams and players? fvcking say it
gonna be so easy to root against them this year
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all a bunch of fvcking pvssies
the astros players are truly delusional. they were caught cheating, end of. they were caught
how can they go out there and take an 'us vs them' attitude like they're being hard done here? 'the mlb did their investigation, the astros complied with the investigation, that's all there is to it'. nah, how about you guys fvcking talk about how you willingly and knowingly created an elaborate cheating scheme that ruined the integrity of the game and ruined things for other teams and players? fvcking say it
gonna be so easy to root against them this year
Great post, this is exactly how I feel.
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They're going to get booed in every house that isn't their own.
You have to wonder how many pitchers around the league are going to try to fit one in Bregman's or Altuve's ear.
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Not a Yankee fan but this is great.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPZipUo.jpg)
Gotta respect Rivera.
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“ Whit Merrifield on missing the 2018 ASG: "I'm going to consider myself an All-Star with all this stuff that's come out because Jose Altuve took my spot that game. So we'll put an asterisk by 2018 & on top of it, we'll go ahead and throw in a silver slugger for good measure."
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https://twitter.com/sportsbycourt/status/1221151132430557187?s=21
Appropriate response to anyone saying fans are overreacting to this scandal
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https://twitter.com/sportsbycourt/status/1221151132430557187?s=21
Appropriate response to anyone saying fans are overreacting to this scandal
who was saying this, the astros players?
their fvcking owner had to come out and say he's going to force them to apologize lmao. so when we do finally get one, it's going to be because their owner is making them, and not of their own volition.
fvck them
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i wish there was just one reporter with an ounce of integrity who, after that bitch altuve was all 'just watch, come the playoffs you'll see us in the world series again', would ask him 'what does that mean, are you going to find another way to cheat?'
it's what needed to be said after their team's heinous fvcking display that day
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We should also address, I think, how ludicrous it is that we're still signaling between pitcher and catcher with nail polish in the crotch. Why doesn't baseball just put a mic in the catcher's helmet and an earpiece in the pitcher's ear and then this all goes away?
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We should also address, I think, how ludicrous it is that we're still signaling between pitcher and catcher with nail polish in the crotch. Why doesn't baseball just put a mic in the catcher's helmet and an earpiece in the pitcher's ear and then this all goes away?
1000% agree
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Really weird/disturbing mike Fiers story floating around:
https://twitter.com/sportsstandings/status/1221323048671944707?s=21
Update:
https://twitter.com/fuzzyfromyt/status/1221289630311411713?s=21
Update 2:
https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1221298698703065088?s=21
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justin verlander said he was happy to be a part of the astros organization, and then given the climate of this all felt it was okay to make a joke of things and say the astros were very technologically and politically advanced
people at the BBWAA dinner were laughing and clapping
fvck this excrement
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Verlander just joked that "everyone knows the Astros are technologically analytically advanced." CC, 5 feet away, looks freakin' pissed.
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We should also address, I think, how ludicrous it is that we're still signaling between pitcher and catcher with nail polish in the crotch. Why doesn't baseball just put a mic in the catcher's helmet and an earpiece in the pitcher's ear and then this all goes away?
I've heard this solution, but not sure how it solves the problem. The batter can then just listen to the catcher speaking.
Maybe do it the other way around? Where the pitcher could cover his mouth with his glove and tell the catcher what he's planning to throw?
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I've heard this solution, but not sure how it solves the problem. The batter can then just listen to the catcher speaking.
Maybe do it the other way around? Where the pitcher could cover his mouth with his glove and tell the catcher what he's planning to throw?
It's not very difficult for a team to come up with a code just as a football offense does, in fact it's more simple as there are really only a couple of variables to communicate rather than a book of 80+ plays.
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people at the BBWAA dinner were laughing and clapping
See the discussion about the Hall of Fame that happened last week. Glad to see it wasn't just me who regards these people as just the biggest douchebags alive.
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dusty baker new Astros manager
Lolololol
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“I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps. But the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time they’re clogging up the bases for somebody who can run.”–former Cubs manager Dusty Baker
ALL SUMMER LONG
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dusty baker new Astros manager
Lolololol
I was hoping it would be John Gibbons. He's the mgr the Astros deserve.
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I was hoping it would be John Gibbons. He's the mgr the Astros deserve.
How beautiful would it be if they hired him as bench coach?
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And people were saying they weren't punished enough
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https://twitter.com/adams_at/status/1222506644761911296?s=21
Sheeeeeeeesh
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https://twitter.com/adams_at/status/1222506644761911296?s=21
Sheeeeeeeesh
Jeez
And the points made in the replies matter too. Bangs only account for offspeed pitches. Silence is a factor too because it signals a likely fastball.
Probably also doesn't account for early in a game when they were determining the sign sequence, then later in games when teams adjusted.
It's beyond comprehension how MLB predetermined no players would be punished or that the title would not be vacated.
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Jeez
And the points made in the replies matter too. Bangs only account for offspeed pitches. Silence is a factor too because it signals a likely fastball.
Probably also doesn't account for early in a game when they were determining the sign sequence, then later in games when teams adjusted.
It's beyond comprehension how MLB predetermined no players would be punished or that the title would not be vacated.
Manfred did that thinking those who were out for blood would be satisfied with the MLB imposed penalty on the Stros and the certainty that their braintrust would be out.
I don't think he was banking on the complete and total PR disaster that the Astros players have become as they attempt to navigate this situation.
Put it to you this way, if I was an opposing pitcher on an NL team playing the Astros in interleague play in my home ballpark and Verlander comes up to bat, he's getting one right in his back.
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Manfred did that thinking those who were out for blood would be satisfied with the MLB imposed penalty on the Stros and the certainty that their braintrust would be out.
I don't think he was banking on the complete and total PR disaster that the Astros players have become as they attempt to navigate this situation.
Put it to you this way, if I was an opposing pitcher on an NL team playing the Astros in interleague play in my home ballpark and Verlander comes up to bat, he's getting one right in his back.
I don't see how the player reactions could have helped regardless. Either they're defiant and everyone reacts just like we are, or they were apologetic and everyone would say "See? They admit they stole a title!"
I think he was probably banking on it being smaller than it turned out and was just hoping he could get full cooperation from the players since they had immunity.
I've said it before, I don't care what park they're in, they better be ready for a few aimed at the ear. These guys are lucky Sabathia retired.
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I don't see how the player reactions could have helped regardless. Either they're defiant and everyone reacts just like we are, or they were apologetic and everyone would say "See? They admit they stole a title!"
I think he was probably banking on it being smaller than it turned out and was just hoping he could get full cooperation from the players since they had immunity.
I've said it before, I don't care what park they're in, they better be ready for a few aimed at the ear. These guys are lucky Sabathia retired.
Granted its a different situation, but I think the American public is actually pretty forgiving if people are honest. As Tricky Dick learned a long time ago and Slick Willy for that matter, it's not so much the action but the lie or a lack of contrition that will bring you down.
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As Tricky Dick learned a long time ago and Slick Willy for that matter, it's not so much the action but the lie or a lack of contrition that will bring you down.
Quoting this for future use
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I don't see how the player reactions could have helped regardless. Either they're defiant and everyone reacts just like we are, or they were apologetic and everyone would say "See? They admit they stole a title!"
Admission and its implications is irrelevant. The cheating has been confirmed whether they admit to it or not. They cheated, they stole a title, they fucked over their peers. Given this, the minimum/baseline response to this all can be nothing but apology and remorse. They have refused to do this and have in fact done the complete opposite, adding insult on top of the disgrace their cheating has been. It was the absolute least they could do, and they spat in everybody's face. And now their owner is going to force them to give a fake apology, which is honestly just another fvcking insult.
This is all absolutely a disgrace and unacceptable. The MLB has to come down hard on the Astros players for behaving the way they have. The scum that is the Wilpon family has already detached me greatly from a team and a sport that I once loved. The response given by the MLB and the astros is making me consider leaving it completely. They're just getting away with it, again
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“ On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.”
“ Yup. And there was a bang for 12 of his 29 pitches (41%) which is well above their season average of 14%”
“ Bolsinger was an offspeed pitcher that relied on deception to get people out. It makes sense that there was an increase during his pitches, since he threw more offspeed stuff. He wasn't a great pitcher, but having every pitch outlined for the batter made his low 90s fastball BP.”
excrement like this is just anecdotal evidence of why what the Astros did had so many layers of shittyness
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I'm not sure that suspending dudes for actions 2 years ago while on a different team is the proper action, either. Plus you're then getting players to try and turn on each other and place the blame on everyone but themselves. It just becomes a witch hunt. Mlbpa would lose their minds.
There's no way any of the Dodgers would want either title just given to them, they've said as much.
They won't take the title away, that's an ultimately pointless exercise when the benefits have already been reaped.
The best thing they can do is what they're doing. Players reputations are tarnished, jobs have been lost, presumably this type of cheating is now gone from the game.
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“ On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.”
“ Yup. And there was a bang for 12 of his 29 pitches (41%) which is well above their season average of 14%”
“ Bolsinger was an offspeed pitcher that relied on deception to get people out. It makes sense that there was an increase during his pitches, since he threw more offspeed stuff. He wasn't a great pitcher, but having every pitch outlined for the batter made his low 90s fastball BP.”
excrement like this is just anecdotal evidence of why what the Astros did had so many layers of shittyness
That's really the biggest part of the entire thing, and so many guys have spoken about it since news broke. People literally lost their jobs because the Astros cheated. Guys watched their friends be sent down, never to get called up again.
This is why I firmly believe we're going to see targeting by opposing pitchers this year. I rarely, if ever, condone guys throwing at batters. In this case, I won't blame anyone for it.
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I'm not sure that suspending dudes for actions 2 years ago while on a different team is the proper action, either. Plus you're then getting players to try and turn on each other and place the blame on everyone but themselves. It just becomes a witch hunt. Mlbpa would lose their minds.
There's no way any of the Dodgers would want either title just given to them, they've said as much.
They won't take the title away, that's an ultimately pointless exercise when the benefits have already been reaped.
The best thing they can do is what they're doing. Players reputations are tarnished, jobs have been lost, presumably this type of cheating is now gone from the game.
ARod did steroids while playing for the Texas Rangers. He served a suspension as a member of the Yankees. The precedent is there. And that was a single offender, not an entire organizational effort.
I wouldn't say gifting the Dodgers a title is appropriate, but stripping it from the Astros would be, as would lengthy suspensions for all the players.
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What will be interesting is how someone like Altuve is treated by Cooperstown some day. If Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds can't get into the Hall, how do you justify Altuve, no matter how well he plays the rest of his career?
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I wouldn't say gifting the Dodgers a title is appropriate, but stripping it from the Astros would be, as would lengthy suspensions for all the players.
I agree, as a Dodger fan it is what it is. Again I mostly think of Kershaw, at the tail end of his prime, having such a great World Series at home and the inexplicable game in Houston after we had gotten the lead. The Dodgers have become like the Yankees where any given year they can reload and go back at it, but guys like Kershaw and Hill can't go back in time and be younger, guys like Puig aren't on the team anymore. That 2017 team was amazing all the way through, hopefully history shines a light on them because of this even though they didn't get the title they probably deserved.
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https://twitter.com/pjhughes45/status/1222621228998938624?s=21
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/explosive-new-details-emerge-about-the-astros-cheating-scandal-000636683.html
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I love how MLB Network flat out asked Hinch if players were wearing buzzers, and he meticulously didn't answer the question.
It's unreal that the players were given complete immunity.
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Former Blue Jays Pitcher Mike Bolsinger Is Suing The Cheating Astros For Ending His Career And Wants Them To Forfeit $31 Million
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I wouldn't say gifting the Dodgers a title is appropriate,
but stripping it from the Astros would be, as would lengthy suspensions for all the players.
^ This. Why does it have to be an either/or between the Astros and Dodgers? Reggie Bush, a landslide Heisman Trophy winner was stripped of the Heisman because he received "improper benefits from sports marketing agents?" Did that give him an advantage or put his opponents at a disadvantage on the actual field of play as was the case with the Astros? If Bush got stripped the Astros should get zip.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mlb/astros-cheating-open-secret/2020/02/11/1830154c-4c41-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html#click=https://t.co/A1GBdEwOTh
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“ So the Nationals’ plan took shape. The pitchers first met on the Friday before the World Series started. They assigned each pitcher five sets of signs, all of which could be affixed to the inside of their caps. They outfitted catchers Yan Gomes and Kurt Suzuki with wristbands with all those signs, much like a quarterback who wears plays on his forearm. Although traditional sign-stealing requires a runner on second base who can see the catcher put down his fingers, the Nationals instructed their catchers to put down multiple signs even when there was only a runner on first or there was no one on base.”
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“ WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Houston Astros owner Jim Crane is expected to meet with the full Astros roster Wednesday to discuss the team's strategy for publicly addressing the sign-stealing scandal that has rocked the franchise all offseason, sources familiar with the plans told ESPN.
While only pitchers and catchers were expected to report to Astros camp Wednesday, position players have flown here as well to participate in the meeting, sources said. The team plans to open the clubhouse Thursday for its first media availability of the spring.
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The level of contrition and tact the Astros will take in addressing the scandal is unclear. At the Houston Sports Awards on Jan. 22, Crane said the team would "apologize for what happened, ask forgiveness and move forward" during spring training.“
Interested to see what comes of this because a lot of their players have been freaking dickheads and handled this very poorly.
Specifically, I want Bregman, Altuve, Verlander, and Josh Reddick’s heads on spikes.
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the fact that this hasn't been discussed between them as an organization despite this going on for months shows how fvcking contrite they feel about all of this
fvck them. ban all of them
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https://twitter.com/jmackeypg/status/1227291224874332160?s=21
Solid thread to read if you don’t hate astros fans yet
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"Our opinion is that this didn't impact the game. We had a good team. We won the World Series and we'll leave it at that," he said.
- Jim Crane
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Yeah, they sound really remorseful. ::)
“How could knowing whether or not the pitch was gonna be fast or slow would help us in a game where being successful 3 out of every 10 times will probably get you to the Hall-of-Fame?? Really doesn’t matter at all.”
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Just to add. Everything that they’ve said “didn’t happen, 100% didn’t happen,” has been proven otherwise. All these people denying the buzzers are gonna be proven wrong too. The freaking commissioners office doesn’t want this out, because it would completely kill the nature of the sport and they would HAVE to strip them of their World Series.
The admission of a buzzer or a team wide conspiracy of buzzers would be the biggest scandal in the history of the sport. This makes the Black Sox, Pete Rose, steroids or anything else look like tiddlywinks.
You know they did it. They don’t want to admit it and MLB doesn’t want them to admit it either.
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Just to be clear....if MLB admits the Astros used buzzers, the integrity of the game would be irreparably ruined. MLB has just as much to lose as the Astros do at this point. This poopchute commissioner already wants to make a 14-team playoff. freak OUTTA HERE.
and, just saw the owners press conference. He can freak off too. Nothing learned. Not contrite. No responsibilty taken. What a fuckin joke. I’m not a Yankee or Dodger fan, but I’m livid right now. freak this excrement. freak this sport.
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Can't wait to see Astros hitters batting against teams they wronged this season.
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Can't wait to see Astros hitters batting against teams they wronged this season.
freak that. Every team should be gunning for them. Every single fuckin team.
I would bean every single Astro I pitched against.
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freaking plunk the guy with a 95mph heater.
“Did you know a fastball was coming?? Did ya??”
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freak that. Every team should be gunning for them. Every single fuckin team.
I would bean every single Astro I pitched against.
Correct. I’m obviously pretty biased here, but Every single team and their fans should be mad.
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Correct. I’m obviously pretty biased here, but Every single team and their fans should be mad.
They used the buzzers. I’m convinced. Too many people, and, the sport itself, stand to lose too much if the truth comes out.
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They used the buzzers. I’m convinced. Too many people, and, the sport itself, stand to lose too much if the truth comes out.
Both Hinch and Altuve have now used the “MLB didn’t find anything in their report” line instead of denying the buzzers. I’m certain they used them too.
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First series for the Astros is home vs Anaheim who I don't think have any significant connection to or beef with the 2017 Astros. After that though they go on the road for a series in Oakland, who might just have one Mike Fiers starting. Think I'll stay up for that game...
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They regret nothing. They regret getting caught.
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Those idiots denying anything happened and hiding behind bullshit like "“MLB didn’t find anything in their report”.....just made things worse for themselves. I knew they were gonna get beaned regardless, but denying it outright threw gas on the fire.
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They regret nothing. They regret getting caught.
it's a bold strategy, Cotton.
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Those idiots denying anything happened and hiding behind bullshit like "“MLB didn’t find anything in their report”.....just made things worse for themselves. I knew they were gonna get beaned regardless, but denying it outright threw gas on the fire.
Every player. Every fan. Every coach. Anybody who gives an iota of a freak about this sport should be mad. The game has been compromised in a way it’s never been in more than 120 years.
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Every player. Every fan. Every coach. Anybody who gives an iota of a freak about this sport should be mad. The game has been compromised in a way it’s never been in more than 120 years.
I love baseball. Been watching since 1989.
I really hate that this happened because it compromises the integrity of the game for everyone (fans, players, etc). But the worst part for me, is that MLB is trying to sweep it under the rug. Manfred is a POS.
I don't know who's advising the Astros on the direction they should take with this....but they're making it worse for themselves.
I remember when i used to love watching NBA basketball. Then the Tim Donaghy bullshit happened and I lost all interest in the game after that.
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This is so much worse than steroids imho.
And there's no doubt in my mind given Altuve's reaction and the evasive non-responses that he was wearing something.
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Mad Dog eviscerating the Astros from top to bottom. Saying everything that needs to be said.
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The sport will police itself.
I wasn't implying that a team, say Miami, won't or shouldn't retaliate. I won't be the least bit shocked if they do. Chances are, every player in the sport knows a guy who lost a job over the past 3 years after facing Houston's lineup.
I just think a team like the Dodgers or Yankees is going to be extra motivated to see how quickly a guy like Altuve can make himself 8 inches tall.
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This is so much worse than steroids imho.
And there's no doubt in my mind given Altuve's reaction and the evasive non-responses that he was wearing something.
It’s absolutely 100% true that he was wearing something
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The sport will police itself.
i think you have to re-evaluate that statement. rob manfred is the commissioner. fvcking rob manfred
the players that will 'throw' at or plunk the astros players will get more fvcking punishment than any astros player has gotten for fvcking cheating. this is the game as it stands today. this is rob fvcking manfred. and he wonders why the sport is losing fans.
fvck this
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"Our opinion is that this didn't impact the game."
"I didn't say it didn't impact the game." - Jim Crane 55 seconds later
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1227970396793774082
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https://twitter.com/dickiev/status/1228146060541014016?s=21
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https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2020-02-13/rob-manfred-inaction-as-damaging-baseball-as-astros-cheating?_amp=true
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28701586/nl-mvp-cody-bellinger-says-astros-jose-altuve-stole-2017-al-mvp-aaron-judge
<3 Cody, son of Clay <3
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28701586/nl-mvp-cody-bellinger-says-astros-jose-altuve-stole-2017-al-mvp-aaron-judge
<3 Cody, son of Clay <3
He ain't wrong
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Cody Bellinger didn’t hold back when talking about the Astros.
He said he thought Jim Crane was “weak” yesterday, Altuve stole an MVP, the Astros stole a World Series, and that he believes they cheated in 2018 and 2019.
Bellinger: "I thought Manfred's punishment was weak, giving them immunity. I mean these guys were cheating for three years. I think what people don't realize is Altuve stole an MVP from Judge in '17. Everyone knows they stole the ring from us."
Cody Bellinger, ladies and gentlemen.
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https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1228358220650930177?s=21
In this house we stan Cody Bellinger
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What’s freaking infuriating is that Judge should have won that MVP even with Altuve cheating.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/7aiz1x/jose_altuve_vs_aaron_judge_final_numbers_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Important tweet
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1228383608789970944
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“ Asked Trevor Bauer 1 question about the Astors, nearly 10 minutes later asked my second. I'm not done transcribing, but... "they are hypocrites, they are cheaters, they've stolen from a lot of other people and the game itself was completely unfair."
Bauer: "... you guys think you are better than everyone and you don't have to abide by the rules? freak you. You know? That's how I feel about their whole operation."
Bauer on Crain: "'We don’t think it affected the game.' You’re either lying or you’re a freaking idiot. And don’t become a billionaire owner of a team by being a freaking idiot. So, you’re lying."
Bauer: "Oh, we’re coming up in four or five days, you’re going to see pitchers throwing live BP with an L-screen in front of them because the hitters know what’s coming. Because it’s freaking dangerous."
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https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1228358220650930177?s=21
In this house we stan Cody Bellinger
https://twitter.com/barstoolhubbs/status/1228459619799965697?s=21
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mikedrotv/status/1228425256534249474?s=12
Why is Jacob DeGrom apologizing for the Astros
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https://twitter.com/deflategator/status/1228790293056675840?s=21
Yikes
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“What a disgrace that was,” Bryant said. “Just watching their apology yesterday, too, there’s just no sincerity, there’s no genuineness when it comes to it. I certainly know that if I messed up big in that way, I’d be the first one to let you know just how big of a mess up it was. It’s just hard to believe, it really is. It’s sad.”
Houston, as Bryant correctly figured, is in for a long season: “I mean I’m sure they’ll [get hit by pitches]. I’m sure they will,” he said. “Pitchers aren’t happy about it. Obviously you don’t want anyone to get hurt, but you know, I think if teams are going about it in the right way, and if you do get hit, you’re not going after people’s heads and stuff like that. I think they’re definitely going to experience stuff like that this year.”
Kris Bryant
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https://twitter.com/tphamlv/status/1228778481644789760?s=21
Tommy Pham weighs in on Correa’s comments
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Maybe I'mm missing something here because I haven't really been following it that closely, but is there any argument from the Astros camp - players, coaches, front office, anyone - that they didn't actually cheat and that this was all some misunderstanding?
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Maybe I'mm missing something here because I haven't really been following it that closely, but is there any argument from the Astros camp - players, coaches, front office, anyone - that they didn't actually cheat and that this was all some misunderstanding?
Who cares, this piece of excrement thread will be resurrected every 3 days so they can whine how a couple of signs were stolen and they didn't win their 53 world series.....big freaking deal move on.
Babe Ruth would have drank some whiskey, smoked a stogey, ate a cheeseburger and fries, belched then farted and would have won another world series all without crying like a little bitch, very much unlike these faggots.
Rename this the:
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhmbulence* thread.
(https://i.imgur.com/t8DTaWj.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/1W0t1YH.png)
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Maybe I'mm missing something here because I haven't really been following it that closely, but is there any argument from the Astros camp - players, coaches, front office, anyone - that they didn't actually cheat and that this was all some misunderstanding?
there is no argument for that, they cheated. they were caught cheating, it was proved, that is all.
correa is fvcking dumb. 'he didn't cheat'. those graphs tabulated by an astros fan proves that altuve did in fact receive trash can bangs to aid him as well. and those were just tabulating when they heard cans. not hearing a trashcan bang is a fvcking sign/message of what pitch is to come as well.
'do your research' he says after a report has already been published detailing their cheating. you cannot fvcking make this excrement up, they keep digging themselves deeper and deeper. fvcking ban them, there is no remorse here at all, pete rose and shoeless joe jackson were banned for life for lesser excrement than this. get them the fvck out of here
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Summary of Rob Manfred's interview:
if you throw at the Astros you get suspended longer than any Astros got suspended for actually cheating
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Maybe I'mm missing something here because I haven't really been following it that closely, but is there any argument from the Astros camp - players, coaches, front office, anyone - that they didn't actually cheat and that this was all some misunderstanding?
Correa has said that Altuve didn’t cheat, that they didn’t cheat on the road, and that they only cheated in 2017, not 18-19.
Just about 100% of that has been proven false by reputable sources or actual evidence.
Their owner said that it didn’t affect the game and they still won the WS.
Other than that most of the players have kept their mouth shut or given generic PR-speak responses.
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In the week's least surprising news, Manfred has apparently announced that MLB will be increasing the penalties for intentionally pitching at a batter but this has nothing to do with the Astros.
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I guess puck would be absolutely okay with someone peeking at his hand at a poker table and then signaling someone else at the table with a device what his cards are.
Good to know.
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I guess puck would be absolutely okay with someone peeking at his hand at a poker table and then signaling someone else at the table with a device what his cards are.
Good to know.
I would be fine with it. I certainly wouldn't whine like a little bitch.
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I almost agree with Puck. I’m sure every team does this, maybe not to the same extent, but it’s getting treated like the biggest catastrophe in all of sporting history
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I would be fine with it. I certainly wouldn't whine like a little bitch.
Wow. Okay. *cue John Malkovich* “let’s play some cards”
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The buzzer is my biggest issue. That’s outright going out of your way to cheat. Im sure every team tries to steal signs in some capacity but this is extremely egregious.
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The Astros were also 53-28 in road games in 2017 and won two in LA to win the world series
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The Astros were also 53-28 in road games in 2017 and won two in LA to win the world series
And they cheated on the road. Read a book
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And they cheated on the road. Read a book
I thought this was based on banging trash cans?
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I almost agree with Puck. I’m sure every team does this, maybe not to the same extent, but it’s getting treated like the biggest catastrophe in all of sporting history
None of the other teams have been relaying signals in real time, regardless of men on base. Just the Astros.
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I thought this was based on banging trash cans?
They also used whistling and the bullpen catcher to cheat on the road in earlier seasons, the buzzer in latter seasons.
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https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/sources-yankees-dugout-erupts-over-astros-alleged-sign-stealing/311184886
This story is from before the Mike Fiers Athletic article ever broke
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https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/sources-yankees-dugout-erupts-over-astros-alleged-sign-stealing/311184886
This story is from before the Mike Fiers Athletic article ever broke
They should stop whining about and just let the Astros cheat. Right?
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Rob Manfred to the reporter who broke the news on the Astros' Codebreaker scheme: "You know, congratulations. You got a private letter that, you know, I sent to a club official. Nice reporting on your part."
This guy is an actual disgrace of a commissioner
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Manfred says he didn't strip Astros of title because "the idea of...asking for a piece of metal back seems like a futile idea." Really? The WS championship is just a piece of metal? The corporate commish still doesn't have a clue
Coward
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i think you have to re-evaluate that statement. rob manfred is the commissioner. fvcking rob manfred
the players that will 'throw' at or plunk the astros players will get more fvcking punishment than any astros player has gotten for fvcking cheating. this is the game as it stands today. this is rob fvcking manfred. and he wonders why the sport is losing fans.
fvck this
we all could see this coming from a mile away. manfred is a fvcking abomination
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Wow. Okay. *cue John Malkovich* “let’s play some cards”
Oh and if I don't protect my hand, that would be on me and nothing to whine about because I would be a freaking retard if I didn't protect my own hand.
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Oh and if I don't protect my hand, that would be on me and nothing to whine about because I would be a freaking retard if I didn't protect my own hand.
Then clearly you don’t understand how sign relaying works or what the Astros did, you can see yourself out now.
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https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/status/1229159234857820162?s=21
Yu Darvish
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Dark day for baseball. The mishandling of this cheating scandal cannot be overstated. It’s impact will effect the game for years to come
Phil Hughes
The fans are overreacting tho
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Man...all these whining complainers.
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How Puck plays cards:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8kDdIL0tSeI
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How Puck plays cards:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8kDdIL0tSeI
Yeah so
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Mike Trout: "To cheat like that and not get anything (in the form of a penalty), it's sad to see."
Mike Trout speaks. He usually doesn’t have much to say.
https://twitter.com/rhettbollinger/status/1229429926211620864?s=21
“Me going up to the plate, knowing what’s coming, it’d be pretty fun up there.”
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Then clearly you don’t understand how sign relaying works or what the Astros did, you can see yourself out now.
The new weather thread mah
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i feel like for years manfred has been going about trying to 'rejuvenate' the game in all the wrong ways, with changes or proposals that were just flat out dumb, meaningless, and/or not in line with reality
he's gotten this scandal laughably wrong at every single step lol. it's kind of ridiculous. the excrement he's doing is completely asinine and derriere backwards. everything he's done so far was, in his mind, to try to mitigate the amount of backlash the game and its image receive from the fans. his actions have actually done the complete opposite; they've maximized the backlash and feelings of negativity towards the sport, and there is a very toxic environment around the game right now that is completely due to his him and his actions and his inaction.
when there was a scandal in italian football in 2006, gigantic clubs were DEMOTED from the top flight to the second division. this guy decided it wouldn't even be necessary to give players that were willingly complicit in cheating a slap on the wrist. 'if we don't remove the title from the cheating astros, it'll minimize the severity of the scandal to the fans. if we don't punish the players, it'll minimize the severity to the fans, and the astros will still be able to be competitive with all of their players around, which will be good for baseball. if we don't force apology or contrition from the astros for jeopardizing the integrity of the game, it'll minimize the severity to the fans, this isn't that big of a deal'.
fvck this guy. he's so fvcking stupid. he basically said in his interview yesterday that his hope was that all of this would 'go away' on its own. lmfao
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An animated Gleyber Torres said he believes the Astros cheated in 2019, too. “If you cheated in 2017 and won, why wouldn’t you cheat the next year and the next year, too?,” he said.
He’s got a point
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Don’t worry, it didn’t help them win!1!11!!SH1FT1!
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Puck has officially become the “get off my lawn” guy. Either that or he’s a blatant hipster.
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Manfred has said there’s no precedent for this so the best form of punishment is none. Brilliant!
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Puck has officially become the “get off my lawn” guy. Either that or he’s a blatant hipster.
Yes
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-camp-opens-sour-note-mcguire-arrest-hudgens-apology/
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Markakis on the Astros: “I know how hard this game is and I know how hard preparing for this game is. To see something like that is damaging to baseball. It’s anger. I feel every single guy over there deserves a beating.”
same energy
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-camp-opens-sour-note-mcguire-arrest-hudgens-apology/
That’s a good question,” he said. “I can’t even really remember why we did or why we didn’t talk about it. I really can’t. It was just one of those things that was happening that you heard and you went, is it helping, is it not? We hit better on the road. Obviously it’s something that’s not right and it shouldn’t have been done and we should have nipped it in the bud early.”
Quoted for the people here that like to throw their opinion around without reading any of the articles actually posted right in the thread.
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You know who freaking loves the Astros right now? Reese McGuire is who.
If you're a baseball player who's done some stupid excrement that you're worried about people discovering, now is a really good time to 'fess up. No one gives a shiny excrement about your extramarital affairs or your PEDs or your DUI or bar fight right now.
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You know who freaking loves the Astros right now? Reese McGuire is who.
If you're a baseball player who's done some stupid excrement that you're worried about people discovering, now is a really good time to 'fess up. No one gives a shiny excrement about your extramarital affairs or your PEDs or your DUI or bar fight right now.
“ Astros pitcher Francis Martes suspended 162 games without pay after testing positive for Boldenone, a performance-enhancing drug. He was previously suspended for a similar violation in March.”
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https://twitter.com/snyyankees/status/1229857498858913792?s=21
https://twitter.com/marlyriveraespn/status/1229859682103287808?s=21
Aaron Judge’s comments
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https://twitter.com/mlbastian/status/1229861936948318208?s=21
Absolute fire from Jon Lester
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Listen I know I don’t play baseball but I am in Sports and I know if someone cheated me out of winning the title and I found out about it I would be F*^king irate! I mean like uncontrollable about what I would/could do! Listen here baseball commissioner listen to your.....
players speaking today about how disgusted, mad, hurt, broken, etc etc about this. Literally the ball(⚾️) is in your court(or should I say field) and you need to fix this for the sake of Sports! #JustMyThoughtsComingFromASportsJunkieRegardlessMyOwnSportIPlay
I know everyone is dying to get Lebron’s take on this
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https://twitter.com/kylenyy/status/1229913827942305792?s=21
Manfred confirms that the Astros were cheating during the in 2017 postseason. We all knew it based on the evidence but this seals it.
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Astros in 2017 postseason
Home
8-1 W-L
51 runs
18 HR
37 extra base hits
.273 BA
.343 OBP
.519 SLG
Road
3-6 W-L
27 runs
9 HR
24 extra base hits
.208 BA
.284 OBP
.347 SLG
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I’m gonna take the Astros over 99.5 and +600 to win the World Series just because
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Astros in 2017 postseason
Home
8-1 W-L
51 runs
18 HR
37 extra base hits
.273 BA
.343 OBP
.519 SLG
Road
3-6 W-L
27 runs
9 HR
24 extra base hits
.208 BA
.284 OBP
.347 SLG
Not to in any way defend the Astros, but I feel like a lot of teams have a disparity between home and road performance. It's kind of how home field advantage works.
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Not to in any way defend the Astros, but I feel like a lot of teams have a disparity between home and road performance. It's kind of how home field advantage works.
Altuve - Career splits
Home: .828 OPS
Road: .825 OPS
Bregman - career splits
Home: .874 OPS
Road: .946 OPS
Correa - career splits
Home: .858 OPS
Road: .834 OPS
Springer - career splits
Home: .822 OPS
Road: .875 OPS
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Now let’s do 2017 postseason.
Altuve:
Home: .472 BA/.513 OBP/1.028 SLG/1.541 OPS, 17 H, 6 HR & 12 RBI
Away: .143 BA, .268 OBP, .229 SLG, .497 OPS, 5 H, 1 HR & 2 RBI
Bregman:
Home: .273 BA/.342 OBP/.515 SLG/.857 OPS, 9 H, 2 HR & 6 RBI
Away: .154 BA/.175 OBP/.333 SLG/.508 OPS, 6 H, 2 HR & 4 RBI
Correa:
Home: .371 BA/.421 OBP/.743 SLG/1.164 OPS, 13 H, 3 HR & 10 RBI
Away: .211 BA/.231 OBP/.395 SLG/.626 OPS, 8 H, 2 HR & 4 RBI.
Let’s not think too hard coming up with a way to explain this. Home field advantage doesn’t double your OPS and make you forget how to make contact on the road.
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This one is just hilarious:
McCann:
Home: .300 BA/.382 OBP/.467 SLG/.849 OPS, 9 H, 1 HR & 7 RBI
Away: .037 BA/.161 OBP/.037 SLG/.198 OPS, 1 H, 0 HR & 0 RBI
He had a couple big hits against the Yankees that I couldn’t believe happened at the time
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OK that's fair. The context helps.
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OK that's fair. The context helps.
A lot of reports say they were also cheating on the road but clearly they had a better system at home.
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SFD today in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw9qqvm-LT8
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SFD today in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw9qqvm-LT8
Much easier to break down a few playoffs series than a full season of cheating. At that point the large sample size obscures things - bench players, callups, injuries, etc. Theres research out there, but no one knows for sure which games they used the system, when they didn’t, and which players benefited. You can bet your derriere they were using it in the playoffs though. Which Manfred confirmed today. Which makes it a relevant sample size.
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A lot of reports say they were also cheating on the road but clearly they had a better system at home.
You guys should probably cut Gerrit Cole....need to send a message that the Yankees don't need anyone from that scummy franchise.
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You guys should probably cut Gerrit Cole....need to send a message that the Yankees don't need anyone from that scummy franchise.
Maybe part of why they hired him is his expertise in the theft of signs. If they do win a WS with him at the club it's going to have to have an asterisk next to it.
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Maybe part of why they hired him is his expertise in the theft of signs. If they do win a WS with him at the club it's going to have to have an asterisk next to it.
yes
and
your sig is 5 honks
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You guys should probably cut Gerrit Cole....need to send a message that the Yankees don't need anyone from that scummy franchise.
Ken Giles should punch himself in the face again
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Ken Giles should punch himself in the face again
100% agree
But Cole should probably take down his Yankees poster from his bedroom wall too.
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100% agree
But Cole should probably take down his Yankees poster from his bedroom wall too.
Better than the poster of Lizzo that Vlad Jr. has on his ceiling
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“I kind of like the way the game has always policed itself,” Bregman said. “If you do some stupid stuff on the field, either you or one of your teammates is gonna get hit for how you’re acting. I kind of like that. I kind of like those rules.”
-Bregman, Sept 2019
I kind of like that
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The MLBPA just released this statement regarding the Astros investigation: "Any suggestion that the Association failed to cooperate with the Commissioner’s investigation, obstructed the investigation, or otherwise took positions which led to a stalemate... is completely untrue."
Lol Manfred
https://twitter.com/evandrellich/status/1229984609758302208?s=21
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Better than the poster of Lizzo that Vlad Jr. has on his ceiling
don't be sour
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Lol Manfred
https://twitter.com/evandrellich/status/1229984609758302208?s=21
So the PA's position is that the rules don't allow for the players to be punished for cheating and even if they did the players didn't know the rules so it would be unfair to punish them for breaking them? What a massive pile of horseshit that is.
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Kershaw speaks about the Astros cheating and specifically Game 5 of the 2017 World Series.
SI.com (https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/02/20/astros-cheating-scandal-clayton-kershaw?utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_si&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sportsillustrated&fbclid=IwAR1SdTR_6YWReOunxh6UDzcYHrOZh02XTYZyHXxvOy85mHJyhxf6WHvFBW0)
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"I knew about that two years ago, that it was going on," Lucroy said Thursday. "I know it just recently came out. Everyone in baseball [knew], especially in that division that played against them. But we were all aware of the Astros doing those things and it was up to us to outsmart them, I guess you could say.
"It's kind of hard when you have a computer program that breaks your signs. We actively changed signs. Every single pitch, we were changing signs. You had to because they would relay them to second, stealing them from first, too -- from between your legs. They had a very intricate system going on. We were well aware of it, and it was a challenge. It was a mental challenge to really overcome that. It's easier said than done. But it's a shame, and I'm glad it came out and it came to light."
Lucroy said that Mike Fiers informed him of Houston's tactics once they became teammates in Oakland in 2018. The revelation led Lucroy, who signed a minor league deal with Boston earlier this week, to create more and more intricate sign-calling patterns to preemptively fight any tactics used by the Astros. Working with different pitchers called for different tactics as well.
Lucroy added that he never heard the banging of a trash can, but he would not have been listening for it in the first place.
"[Pitchers] don't want to sit there and try to think about decoding your signs and thinking about your indicators and all the different things that you're doing," said Lucroy, a 10-year major league veteran. "They want to sit there and just worry about executing. Some guys can handle it and some guys can't. It was very difficult to do.
"The guys were calling time and stepping out of the box as you take time to put your sign sequence down, and it was making games long and leaving guys out there. Their system, not only did it work with them having the signs and being able to see them, but it made our guys sit out there longer. You had to put down a more complex set of signs and everything. I'm glad it's been taken care of. It was out of hand and it affected the games in a lot of different ways."
According to Lucroy, the Athletics informed Major League Baseball about their experience with the Astros, but no investigation was started until Fiers went on the record with The Athletic in November.
Athletics general manager David Forst confirmed to The Mercury News last week that Oakland complained to the league well before MLB's investigation commenced.
Word began spreading quickly about the Astros, and Lucroy said he would text others around the league about what he had learned.
"It was crazy, some of the pitches they would take," Lucroy said. "It was like, 'Man, these guys are some of the best hitters I've ever seen.' It all made sense when I found out how they were doing it. Then it was like, 'What are we going to do?' I was with Oakland, and we had let MLB know, and they just called and said something. They didn't go through the whole investigation. It wasn't until Fiers came out publicly that they went and looked at it really hard."
I mean, holy excrement guys
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https://twitter.com/yankeethrowback/status/1231363726252662793?s=21
Before anyone gets on their moral high horse those season, Just remember the MLB was fine with this
P.S. I love Joe Girardi and that umpire is a freaking retard
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https://twitter.com/kristieap/status/1231357504635965441?s=21
https://twitter.com/kristieap/status/1231357810513936387?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1232012063695876103?s=21
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Kershaw speaks about the Astros cheating and specifically Game 5 of the 2017 World Series.
SI.com (https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/02/20/astros-cheating-scandal-clayton-kershaw?utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_si&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sportsillustrated&fbclid=IwAR1SdTR_6YWReOunxh6UDzcYHrOZh02XTYZyHXxvOy85mHJyhxf6WHvFBW0)
“Kershaw threw 51 sliders and curveballs that day, and got *zero* swings and misses.”
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“Kershaw threw 51 sliders and curveballs that day, and got *zero* swings and misses.”
It's ridiculous how many stories I see of pitchers saying variations of the same thing: "These guys took pitches that I couldn't believe didn't fool them. They looked like the greatest hitters of all time."
This is worse than steroids, and these guys deserve to catch baseballs with their earholes. And Manfred can DIAF if he chooses to punish guys who mete out justice.
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https://twitter.com/DavidNunoABC13/status/1232005915265634307?s=20
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https://twitter.com/DavidNunoABC13/status/1232005915265634307?s=20
He got hit that game, in addition to 2 other Astros.
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2 more today
https://twitter.com/asterisktour/status/1232370168308867075?s=21
https://twitter.com/asterisktour/status/1232393072085999619?s=21
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Think Syndergaard throws at any of them today?
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I gotta be honest, I'm 100% in favor of guys like Altuve, Bregman, and Correa getting beaned every single day. But hitting the shoulder of a guy who will return to AA in a few weeks kind of sucks.
I saw people saying things like "guilt by association" but c'mon.
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Not to mention, it would be more effective to hit the starters often anyway. Imagine coming to the plate and every single time wondering if you're getting targeted again?
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I gotta be honest, I'm 100% in favor of guys like Altuve, Bregman, and Correa getting beaned every single day. But hitting the shoulder of a guy who will return to AA in a few weeks kind of sucks.
I saw people saying things like "guilt by association" but c'mon.
i agree with this. kind of dumb to hit players and/or minor leaguers who had nothing to do with it
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i agree with this. kind of dumb to hit players and/or minor leaguers who had nothing to do with it
That’ll learn em to not even think about cheetin
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Gerritt Cole says they absolutely, definitely, 100% were not cheating in 2018 when he was there. The apologist-in-chief Mr Manfred said in his report that they were cheating in 2018. So what do you think, Yankees fans? Was Manfred wrong, is Cole a liar as well as a cheat, or is he just too dumb to have realised that it was going on despite the other players in the Houston bullpen apparently knowing about it?
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Gerritt Cole says they absolutely, definitely, 100% were not cheating in 2018 when he was there. The apologist-in-chief Mr Manfred said in his report that they were cheating in 2018. So what do you think, Yankees fans? Was Manfred wrong, is Cole a liar as well as a cheat, or is he just too dumb to have realised that it was going on despite the other players in the Houston bullpen apparently knowing about it?
Of course he's lying. What's he supposed to do? Say "Yeah, I know the Yankees are paying me now, but I was privy to some sweet sophisticated cheating methods while playing against them last year!"
Beltran lied to the Yankees too. Again, what was he supposed to do? He had just become an employee of the team right after cheating them out of a title opportunity.
And before anyone says I'm making excuses for them, I'm not. I don't blame Altuve for fabricating a tattoo story to cover up using a buzzer either. What I do blame everyone for is the cheating itself. The thing about Cole for me is 1) it's not like he was actively involved in the actual cheating, so it's easier to stomach now that he plays for my team and 2) he has the opportunity to personally make up for being an Astro*.
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Of course he's lying. What's he supposed to do? Say "Yeah, I know the Yankees are paying me now, but I was privy to some sweet sophisticated cheating methods while playing against them last year!"
"I wasn't at the Astros when they won the World Series, these questions are for the Astros organisation to answer, I'm just focused on being the best player I can be for the Yankees."
Barefaced lies that are demonstrably and provably such are a mark of his character and intelligence, IMO. We already knew that Altuve was a spineless shitstain, apparently Cole is as well.
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If you want to hold someone accountable for saying the Astros weren’t cheating in 2018 on, go after Carlos Correa first and foremost. Who knows if Gerrit Cole actually knew what was going on if they changed their scheme from the trash can to something else.
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"I wasn't at the Astros when they won the World Series, these questions are for the Astros organisation to answer, I'm just focused on being the best player I can be for the Yankees."
Barefaced lies that are demonstrably and provably such are a mark of his character and intelligence, IMO. We already knew that Altuve was a spineless shitstain, apparently Cole is as well.
Now you're being ridiculous. I admittedly give Cole a bit of a pass because he's a Yankee now, but he also wasn't a direct beneficiary of the cheating scheme--whether he knew about it or not.
What you said would've probably have been the better thing to say, but whatever. Again, I don't blame the guy for saying "Yeah, I don't know anything about the scheme that likely kept my new employer out of the most important event in the sport. Twice."
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If you want to hold someone accountable for saying the Astros weren’t cheating in 2018 on, go after Carlos Correa first and foremost. Who knows if Gerrit Cole actually knew what was going on if they changed their scheme from the trash can to something else.
It changed to whistling (apart from any buzzer-related activity).
I distinctly remember Tanaka repeatedly looking into the Astros* dugout while pitching in Houston last year and they kept showing Bregman whistling. At the time, I thought Tanaka was getting irritated that they were trying to distract him right before the pitch, but given all the information we have now, there's no doubt in my mind it was a trashcan signal replacement-and a far better one. A trash can bang is hard to cover up/justify, but whistling in a ballpark?
I wonder if jonboy would uncover a "1 whistle curveball, 2 quick whistles is a change, 1 long-1 short is a slider" type of scheme.
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If you want to hold someone accountable for saying the Astros weren’t cheating in 2018 on, go after Carlos Correa first and foremost. Who knows if Gerrit Cole actually knew what was going on if they changed their scheme from the trash can to something else.
I think that everyone who was part of that franchise during the asterisk years needs to accept their part in it.
"I had no idea that this was going on, but if I was an indirect beneficiary of it by being part of that team then I feel let down and disappointed by those who were doing it, and I'm just glad that I don't have to look at a World Series ring and wonder if I really deserve it. I'm looking forward to winning one the right way with the Yankees."
This excrement isn't difficult.
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I think that everyone who was part of that franchise during the asterisk years needs to accept their part in it.
"I had no idea that this was going on, but if I was an indirect beneficiary of it by being part of that team then I feel let down and disappointed by those who were doing it, and I'm just glad that I don't have to look at a World Series ring and wonder if I really deserve it. I'm looking forward to winning one the right way with the Yankees."
This excrement isn't difficult.
I think he’s waiting to follow Wade Miley and Charlie Morton’s lead
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Keuchel, now a member of the White Sox, apologized for the Astros' actions at SoxFest on Friday. He played for Houston for the first seven years of his career.
"It's just what the state of baseball was at that point in time. Was it against the rules? Yes, it was. And I personally am sorry for what's come about the whole situation," he said, per The Chicago Sun-Times' Madeline Kenney.
Keuchel added it's "not like every game we had it going on" when discussing about the club's cheating. He also shared that he's spoken with some of his former Astros teammates about the incident, as well as pitcher Mike Fiers revealing the scheme.
"A lot of guys are not happy with the fact that Mike [Fiers] came out and said something or the fact that this even happened. But at the same time, there is some sorrow in guys' voices."
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I'm sure a lot of guys are very sorry.
That they got caught.
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My sources tell me Cole was the mastermind behind the operation
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My sources tell me Cole was the mastermind behind the operation
They won the WS in 2017, acquired Cole for the 2018 season. You really cracked the case.
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They won the WS in 2017, acquired Cole for the 2018 season. You really cracked the case.
It was via text message that’s why
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https://twitter.com/barstoolhubbs/status/1232759031468609538?s=21
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https://twitter.com/snytv/status/1232737308316704769?s=21
Ha ha
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How Mets legend Dwight Gooden stopped sign-stealing
New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/02/28/how-mets-legend-dwight-gooden-stopped-sign-stealing/)
I met Gooden once when we were both 22, nice guy.
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I met Gooden once when we were both 22, nice guy.
he's still addicted to drugs to this day
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https://twitter.com/evanrobertswfan/status/1233559365178863621?s=21
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Astros got booed at home today
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he's still addicted to drugs to this day
That's too bad, I hope he does ok. I always liked him except when he pitched against LA.
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That's too bad, I hope he does ok. I always liked him except when he pitched against LA.
The Mike Scoscia HR fucked him up, pitching-wise. Well, that and the Mets organization trying to get him to pitch to contact.
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The Mike Scoscia HR fucked him up, pitching-wise. Well, that and the Mets organization trying to get him to pitch to contact.
Mike Scoscia hit a HR?
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Mike Scoscia hit a HR?
Off Gooden in Game 4 in the 11th inning back in ‘88 NLCS. Series changed in an instant.
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Off Gooden in Game 4 in the 11th inning back in ‘88 NLCS. Series changed in an instant.
Dodgers were about to be down 3-1 in the series. I think it was the 9th.
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https://twitter.com/bubbagumpino/status/1236377328097189893?s=21
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https://twitter.com/realjoshreddick/status/1242247817541926913?s=21
This is the guy claiming he/they got death threats
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The coronavirus is going to let these cunts off the hook. By the time baseball returns, people will just be happy to return to normal and these guys are going to get off easy.
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Who cares yawn
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Riot
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28985240/aj-hinch-jeff-luhnow-suspensions-fulfilled-2020-even-season-canceled
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I really don't even care that much about the manager and GM. The players are the ones who did the actual cheating and who directly benefitted from it. Not to absolve either of them, since both were obviously in on it, but the players are the ones who directly cheated their peers--and got off without so much as a slap on the wrist.
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Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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33m
BREAKING: #RedSox penalties:
*Loss of 2020 2nd-round pick.
*Ban of replay operator J.T. Watkins through 2020 playoffs and from doing same job in ‘21.
*Ban of Alex Cora through ‘20 playoffs, but only for conduct with #Astros.
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https://twitter.com/yankeesguy93/status/1283790833100230660?s=21
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https://twitter.com/AsteriskTour/status/1285650035498254349?s=19
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https://twitter.com/kylenyy/status/1285661085027229699?s=21
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https://twitter.com/AsteriskTour/status/1285650035498254349?s=19
https://twitter.com/asterisktour/status/1285664717885800449?s=21
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#Dodgers OF Joc Pederson doesn't think whatever team wins the World Series this year should have an asterisk by its name. "They're not cheating their way to get there," he said.
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https://twitter.com/jomboy_/status/1288349949999173632?s=21
This is great stuff.
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Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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9h
Dusty Baker on #Dodgers
reliever Joe Kelly: "What really enraged everybody was what he told Carlos [Correa] when he struck him out, "Nice swing bitch!''
lol
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Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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9h
Dusty Baker on #Dodgers
reliever Joe Kelly: "What really enraged everybody was what he told Carlos [Correa] when he struck him out, "Nice swing bitch!''
lol
lmao
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im bout to buy a joe kelly jersey
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im bout to buy a joe kelly jersey
He's gonna get traded to Seattle if you do that
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Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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9h
Dusty Baker on #Dodgers
reliever Joe Kelly: "What really enraged everybody was what he told Carlos [Correa] when he struck him out, "Nice swing bitch!''
lol
Dusty Baker moments before Joe Kelly striking out Carlos Correa:
https://twitter.com/blakeharristbla/status/1288311186061062144?s=21
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freak outta here
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That was spectacular.
What will be great is if whoever the Astros* play the rest of year get constant revenge, then fans still give it to them all next year.
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In today's edition of AYFKM?!
Joe Kelly was suspended eight games for it. That's the equivalent of twenty-two in a "normal" season.
freak Manfred.
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In today's edition of AYFKM?!
Joe Kelly was suspended eight games for it. That's the equivalent of twenty-two in a "normal" season.
freak Manfred.
Joe Kelly should have just cheated the game of baseball, zero suspension for that.
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Joe Kelly should have just cheated the game of baseball, zero suspension for that.
I sincerely hope that, rather than deter the behavior, this actually emboldens guys. I usually don't call for throwing at guys' heads, but pitchers should just figure "Screw it, you're gonna suspend me anyway, I'll make it count" and put fastballs in Altuve's, Bregman's, and Correa's ears.
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Why exactly does Correa escape without any punishment when he's the one who moved towards the Dodgers' dugout while Kelly was walking off the field? That action led to players not in the lineup coming onto the field, which is supposed to be against the rules this year.
I guess there's a special provision for cheaters to continue to break rules.
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I’m amazed that both the Astros and their fans seem to act like they don’t understand why this is happening.
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https://twitter.com/erinastrosfan/status/1288462454121533440?s=21
What happens? We celebrate..? or
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https://twitter.com/barstoolstweets/status/1288641480274444290?s=21
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astros fans are as delusional as trumptards
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I don't have instagram, but someone tweeted Joe Kelly's Instagram post that basically said "I apologize for my actions...to absolutely no one. Wait till I get off suspension."
If he throws at them again, he's completely forgiven for ever having thrown a single pitch in Boston.
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I don't have instagram, but someone tweeted Joe Kelly's Instagram post that basically said "I apologize for my actions...to absolutely no one. Wait till I get off suspension."
If he throws at them again, he's completely forgiven for ever having thrown a single pitch in Boston.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/viral-joe-kelly-astros-instagram-post-is-fake/1019p7wzwbt1v1ud619evwl16b
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https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/viral-joe-kelly-astros-instagram-post-is-fake/1019p7wzwbt1v1ud619evwl16b
This might be today's most depressing news.
And the President of the United States just floated the idea of delaying the election.
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Jose Altuve went 0-for-4 and committed 3 errors today vs the Athletics.
He’s batting .177 on the season.
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Houston Astros hitting coach Alex Cintron made a vile comment to Oakland A's outfielder Ramon Laureano regarding his mother, prompting a benches-clearing melee Sunday, Laureano tells ESPN.
Cintron denies talking about Laureano’s mother.
-Passan
"I regret charging him because he's a loser,” Ramon Laureano told ESPN.
lmaooooo
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Cintron should be fired, so obviously inb4 he gets a 2 game suspension for instigating a fight and then being a gigantic flappy hoo-ha.
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Cintron should be fired, so obviously inb4 he gets a 2 game suspension for instigating a fight and then being a gigantic flappy hoo-ha.
Manfred will extend Joe Kelly’s suspension as punishment for Cintron.
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Manfred will extend Joe Kelly’s suspension as punishment for Cintron.
Kelly is now on the IL for 10 days but they're not dropping the appeal, I'm guessing on principle.
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20 for cintron
6 for leareanauonon i cant spell his name
also, sorry the giants are so freaking terrible
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also, sorry the giants are so freaking terrible
That stinks but probably expected
1) What’s your opinion on the status of their rebuild long term?
2) On this year:
a) Is Yastrzemski for real?
b) Donovan Solano/Austin Slater - possible keepers?
c) Lastly: at least MadBum is looking horrible
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That stinks but probably expected
What’s your opinion on the status of their rebuild?
i dunno about kapler, i feel like he's either a filler before we get the right guy, but he also has some potential to be that guy. he's certainly saying the right things so far
the pro team right now is just terrible, but at least theres a few bright spots.
- yaz has it, im really excited about him. its encouraging hes allowed the success of the end last season carry over into this one
- dubon has some potential, but where does he play if he cant hit consistently?
- solano is 32 and on a one year deal, but i'd love to see him hit .400 this year and get a nice like 3 year deal and cash in after bouncing around
- slater has been really surprising this season, hes actually hitting against righties and that was his biggest weakness outside of consistentcy. its really weird having a steals leader in sf
- marco luciano is a great prospect, but hes a ways away.
- joey bart is ready to be in the pros now, i have no idea why hes not because hes already passed the time needed to get a full service year.
- heliot ramos is another big bat i look forward to in a few years.
- hunter bishop has a chance, but i dunno, i feel like hes gonna washout.
- patrick bailey was drafted with the dh in mind, as a switch hitter with power from both sides hes valuable now that this bullshit is likely here to stay.
the problem is theres barely any pitching in the pipeline now, which used to be our strong point. which means a lot of the talent we have is going to have to be moved, unless we've decided to just buy our staff.
were still really thin, in reality, and are a ways away from competing i think. ownership has shown a willingness to spend, so its nice to know when the right fa is there we wont shy away from him. theyve got a lot of ways to keep making money during the shutdown, so thats hopefully going to help keep them willing to spend when it comes to it.
were a meh organization at the moment, but on an upward trend. we've basically put everything on zaidi, hopefully he produces.
i feel sad for madison, hes getting freaking shelled. he wanted to come back but the team just didnt pursue him fully. hopefully his issues this year are just shoulder related and he can come back next year after the dbacks cut him and he comes home like we should have done in the first place with both him and lincecum ffs
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Dusty Baker on Altuve: "This is killing him and it’s killing us to see him feel this way." Said he'll be off tomorrow paired with the team's off day for a couple days to clear his head.
You hate to see it
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i dunno about kapler, i feel like he's either a filler before we get the right guy, but he also has some potential to be that guy. he's certainly saying the right things so far
the pro team right now is just terrible, but at least theres a few bright spots.
- yaz has it, im really excited about him. its encouraging hes allowed the success of the end last season carry over into this one
- dubon has some potential, but where does he play if he cant hit consistently?
- solano is 32 and on a one year deal, but i'd love to see him hit .400 this year and get a nice like 3 year deal and cash in after bouncing around
- slater has been really surprising this season, hes actually hitting against righties and that was his biggest weakness outside of consistentcy. its really weird having a steals leader in sf
- marco luciano is a great prospect, but hes a ways away.
- joey bart is ready to be in the pros now, i have no idea why hes not because hes already passed the time needed to get a full service year.
- heliot ramos is another big bat i look forward to in a few years.
- hunter bishop has a chance, but i dunno, i feel like hes gonna washout.
- patrick bailey was drafted with the dh in mind, as a switch hitter with power from both sides hes valuable now that this bullshit is likely here to stay.
the problem is theres barely any pitching in the pipeline now, which used to be our strong point. which means a lot of the talent we have is going to have to be moved, unless we've decided to just buy our staff.
were still really thin, in reality, and are a ways away from competing i think. ownership has shown a willingness to spend, so its nice to know when the right fa is there we wont shy away from him. theyve got a lot of ways to keep making money during the shutdown, so thats hopefully going to help keep them willing to spend when it comes to it.
were a meh organization at the moment, but on an upward trend. we've basically put everything on zaidi, hopefully he produces.
i feel sad for madison, hes getting freaking shelled. he wanted to come back but the team just didnt pursue him fully. hopefully his issues this year are just shoulder related and he can come back next year after the dbacks cut him and he comes home like we should have done in the first place with both him and lincecum ffs
Slater just came up for Auction in my dynasty league. Putting a decent bid in on him
Added Heliot and Luciano to my watch list. I was aware of both of them, but that was a good reminder.
Bart should be an absolute stud.
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https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/1293870903869222912?s=21
Decent read and I hate Joe Kelly
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https://twitter.com/talkinbaseball_/status/1297358044356055040?s=21
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https://twitter.com/asterisktour/status/1297681428306710529?s=21
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https://twitter.com/asterisktour/status/1298087679268139008?s=21
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That Twitter account is a fun follow.
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https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1301000813842698242?s=21
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Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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3m
Justin Verlander says he needs Tommy John surgery: https://instagram.com/p/CFUnuWDgt8a/
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https://public.tableau.com/views/MLBdataworking/AstrosHitting?:language=en&:embed=y&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:showVizHome=no
HT to JE
Impressive study
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Also lol at all of those Red Sox tank jobs
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https://twitter.com/jomboy_/status/1314297136234876962?s=21
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NGL, if the Astros repeat a part of me is going to find it absolutely freaking hilarious.
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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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2m
McCullers gets $85M for 5 years on Astros deal
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https://twitter.com/martinjgallegos/status/1377799309173780482?s=21
https://twitter.com/bblettervideos/status/1377821879898017797?s=21
Can’t believe I had to wait a year for this
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I'm going to savor every single time one of them gets beaned.
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https://twitter.com/astros/status/1379307834769350657?s=21
Angels fans going in
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https://twitter.com/playsangels/status/1379527381988220928?s=21
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https://twitter.com/yelichforever/status/1391451246914162704?s=10
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https://twitter.com/jomboymedia/status/1397358258134859780?s=21
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https://twitter.com/mart_innn/status/1422786709536665602?s=21