Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Johnny English on December 01, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
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Get the freak out Gase. You are a fraud.
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Signing off for a while.
Not worth sifting through all the whining about the head coach being the problem with this team.
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Jets are the first team to lose to two teams 0-7 or worse in the same season. Not great.
I would say this is one of the worst OL performances I've ever seen, but it might not even be in our bottom 2 OL performances this year.
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The thing really irks me is that we have to watch this doofus for another season.
It was bad enough when the Phins ended their winless streak against us, but for it to happen against another dumpster team in the same season....c'mon now.
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We called 15 run plays vs the worst run D in the NFL. Gase is a giant piece of excrement
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Signing off for a while.
Not worth sifting through all the whining about the head coach being the problem with this team.
Overall I respect your POV on this forum, but if you don't think Gase is an issue, then we part ways here
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Why does our 3rd overall pick look like a JAG?
that's probably the oline's fault too.
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And to repeat the point I made in the game thread: can anyone who wants to defend Gase point to a single thing that is good this season that can't be attributed to the natural development of a hugely talented sophomore QB?
We aren't the only team in this league with a massive pile of excrement for an offensive line. This is on the coaching.
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Fitting that today is World AIDS Day.
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Wanted to watch the Ravens-Niners. Didn't. Should've.
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And to repeat the point I made in the game thread: can anyone who wants to defend Gase point to a single thing that is good this season that can't be attributed to the natural development of a hugely talented sophomore QB?
We aren't the only team in this league with a massive pile of excrement for an offensive line. This is on the coaching.
"Other than developing the most important piece of the franchise, which is specifically what Gase was hired to do, what good has he done?"
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Another season of enjoying hating on others' misery.
Daniel Jones sucked today, Giants lost.
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And to repeat the point I made in the game thread: can anyone who wants to defend Gase point to a single thing that is good this season that can't be attributed to the natural development of a hugely talented sophomore QB?
We aren't the only team in this league with a massive pile of excrement for an offensive line. This is on the coaching.
100% correct
Two winless rookie HCs have outcoached Gase this season and ended their winless streaks against him.
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i am going to start out this post by saying that i am not a gase fan and am on the 'fire gase' bandwagon, but today's loss was not because of adam gase.
this OL is bad. so, so bad. compton and shell were getting wrecked today. it's just how they played today, but you have to accept this as a possibility when trying to operate with sub-optimal talent. the offense and the team looked good when the OL had been able to put in solid performances the past few weeks, but today they just weren't able to do that. that's down to talent. today beachum just happened to put up a stinker and the rest of the OL was really sorry for it
almost all of the holds occurred for similar reasons - talent. it's not like they were out there needlessly holding for no reason. they were holding because they were getting beat so, so easily and couldn't do anything else otherwise. it would either be a hold or a sack.
i'm not going to buy that as a discipline thing, it's down to talent. i still feel the beachum block in the back was a weak call, but it was correct. but beachum is a grown man and has been playing this game his whole life, and knows better than that. he shouldn't have done it. nothing there should be put on coaching or the coaching staff to teach beachum that he shouldn't be doing that in that situation, he already knows.
there weren't many/any positives from today's game. one thing i am actually pissed about is the fact that sam was still in there for the last drive when the game was over and we were getting wrecked. i would have taken sam out, which may have still drawn ire for gase with regards to 'quitting' but it was the right thing to do. then bringing him back for the final needless play after sam actually got hurt, only to see him running for his life after he'd just sustained a knock to his legs. that excrement was dumb and gase shouldn't have done it.
i also don't think any of sam's progress is down to anything from gase either. what we've been seeing is sam's natural progression as a talented, smart 2nd year QB. i'll give gase credit for the good playcalling he's displayed the prior few weeks. other than that, i am not a fan of gase, not at all
however, today's loss had nothing to do with gase. there was nothing he/we could have done
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How the freak does that happen
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"Other than developing the most important piece of the franchise, which is specifically what Gase was hired to do, what good has he done?"
My point, which you appear to be avoiding, is that Sam's development would have happened regardless of who was head coach. In fact, I believe that Gase is probably slowing his development unless you think that a QB spending half of every game running for his life is a helpful thing.
You're supposed to scheme around your weaknesses, not just run whatever the freak you think looks cool in your big book of autism and then hide behind the fact that the talent wasn't there to enable the plays to work.
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^^^was still a 2 possession game, you can't take Sam out.
I agree, this offensive line is historically bad. They were bad to start with, and then the shitty players got injured and shitty became diarrhea on white pants in front of your date at the Senior Prom.
I don't know if Gase sucks. I'm sure he does, but it's like trying to identify a murderer while blindfolded.
This season needs to end yesterday.
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i am going to start out this post by saying that i am not a gase fan and am on the 'fire gase' bandwagon, but today's loss was not because of adam gase.
this OL is bad. so, so bad. compton and shell were getting wrecked today. it's just how they played today, but you have to accept this as a possibility when trying to operate with sub-optimal talent. the offense and the team looked good when the OL had been able to put in solid performances the past few weeks, but today they just weren't able to do that. that's down to talent. today beachum just happened to put up a stinker and the rest of the OL was really sorry for it
almost all of the holds occurred for similar reasons - talent. it's not like they were out there needlessly holding for no reason. they were holding because they were getting beat so, so easily and couldn't do anything else otherwise. it would either be a hold or a sack.
i'm not going to buy that as a discipline thing, it's down to talent. i still feel the beachum block in the back was a weak call, but it was correct. but beachum is a grown man and has been playing this game his whole life, and knows better than that. he shouldn't have done it. nothing there should be put on coaching or the coaching staff to teach beachum that he shouldn't be doing that in that situation, he already knows.
there weren't many/any positives from today's game. one thing i am actually pissed about is the fact that sam was still in there for the last drive when the game was over and we were getting wrecked. i would have taken sam out, which may have still drawn ire for gase with regards to 'quitting' but it was the right thing to do. then bringing him back for the final needless play after sam actually got hurt, only to see him running for his life after he'd just sustained a knock to his legs. that excrement was dumb and gase shouldn't have done it.
i also don't think any of sam's progress is down to anything from gase either. what we've been seeing is sam's natural progression as a talented, smart 2nd year QB. i'll give gase credit for the good playcalling he's displayed the prior few weeks. other than that, i am not a fan of gase, not at all
however, today's loss had nothing to do with gase. there was nothing he/we could have done
Great, great post. I don't think I would have pulled Darnold, but I agree about your point about the offensive line. It was atrocious today. There wasn't really anything you could do about it, especially when you combine it with the penalties. Everyone wanted to run the ball (including me at one point). But when you can't generate any push in the run game, it becomes a waste of a down.
And while I was giving JE some excrement earlier, I agree that Darnold's development isn't necessarily because of Gase. But I don't think it really matters - as long as Darnold is playing well, we should keep him in the same system, unless Gase shows he is an egregiously bad coach. And I haven't seen that. He isn't out there blocking.
But to JE's point of, "We aren't the only team with a bad offensive line," you're right. Here are the five worst offensive lines in the NFL entering this week according to FootballOutsiders.
32. Dolphins
31. Jets
30. Bengals
29. Bears
28. Falcons
You know what all of those teams have in common? They suck! They're inconsistent offensively! Atlanta, Miami and the Jets have all had games where they've clicked offensively. They've also all had games where they looked like absolute garbage offensively. That's what happens when you have a disaster offensive line - sustained success becomes extremely difficult.
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My point, which you appear to be avoiding, is that Sam's development would have happened regardless of who was head coach. In fact, I believe that Gase is probably slowing his development unless you think that a QB spending half of every game running for his life is a helpful thing.
You're supposed to scheme around your weaknesses, not just run whatever the freak you think looks cool in your big book of autism and then hide behind the fact that the talent wasn't there to enable the plays to work.
This X 1000
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however, today's loss had nothing to do with gase. there was nothing he/we could have done
I agree with a lot of your points, but when the team comes out flat on every side off the ball, offense, defense and special teams and physically just gets beat; nevertheless, against an 0-11 team, that's on the coaching staff.
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My point, which you appear to be avoiding, is that Sam's development would have happened regardless of who was head coach. In fact, I believe that Gase is probably slowing his development unless you think that a QB spending half of every game running for his life is a helpful thing.
You're supposed to scheme around your weaknesses, not just run whatever the freak you think looks cool in your big book of autism and then hide behind the fact that the talent wasn't there to enable the plays to work.
Again, I'm not sure what coach you want that would have Darnold not running for his life.
If you think Darnold is developing in spite of Gase, you're welcome to that opinion, but there's no way you can actually support that with evidence. None of us can.
I don't think Darnold is necessarily developing because of Gase. But you can't just separate the two and say one has nothing to do with the other just because you don't like Gase. At least not this early.
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Again, I'm not sure what coach you want that would have Darnold not running for his life.
If you think Darnold is developing in spite of Gase, you're welcome to that opinion, but there's no way you can actually support that with evidence. None of us can.
I don't think Darnold is necessarily developing because of Gase. But you can't just separate the two and say one has nothing to do with the other just because you don't like Gase. At least not this early.
I'm not sure what you see from Gase is encouraging. He was a disaster in Miami, and he's doing the same excrement here. How much more do you need to see?
I get it, he's here next year. But that's not a good thing. I'm at an age now where i don't want to waste seasons in the hope that our HC will figure excrement out.
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I'm not sure what you see from Gase is encouraging. He was a disaster in Miami, and he's doing the same excrement here. How much more do you need to see?
I get it, he's here next year. But that's not a good thing. I'm at an age now where i don't want to waste seasons in the hope that our HC will figure excrement out.
I don't think he was a disaster in Miami. He's the only coach in the last decade to lead Miami to the playoffs, and it's the only time he has ever had a healthy quarterback for the majority of the season. When Tannehill was healthy, he had a winning record. When he was playing Brock Osweiler and Jay Cutler, he didn't. He wasn't great, but those Dolphins teams weren't exactly loaded with talent, so much so that as soon as he left, they decided to tank.
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I don't think he was a disaster in Miami. He's the only coach in the last decade to lead Miami to the playoffs, and it's the only time he has ever had a healthy quarterback for the majority of the season. When Tannehill was healthy, he had a winning record. When he was playing Brock Osweiler and Jay Cutler, he didn't. He wasn't great, but those Dolphins teams weren't exactly loaded with talent, so much so that as soon as he left, they decided to tank.
Miami getting to the playoffs was a fluke. He's not the answer here.
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Signing off for a while.
Not worth sifting through all the whining about the head coach being the problem with this team.
This. And we know they're bringing him back, so on top of tedious it's pointless.
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50 pass plays and 15 runs against the worst run defense in the league. This is Schottenheimer all over again. Never mind what's happening on the field, look at this awesome thing I drew up in my book!
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This. And we know they're bringing him back, so on top of tedious it's pointless.
Doesn’t make it right.
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Signing off for a while.
Not worth sifting through all the whining about the head coach being the problem with this team.
Bye
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50 pass plays and 15 runs against the worst run defense in the league. This is Schottenheimer all over again. Never mind what's happening on the field, look at this awesome thing I drew up in my book!
I feel you, but its not like the running attack was effective. Additionally, its hard to run the ball when its 1st and 20 because of a holding penalty or 2nd and 17 because of a sack.
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And to repeat the point I made in the game thread: can anyone who wants to defend Gase point to a single thing that is good this season that can't be attributed to the natural development of a hugely talented sophomore QB?
We aren't the only team in this league with a massive pile of excrement for an offensive line. This is on the coaching.
Nah dude we're just whining about a fantastic coach, we should be sycophants to every FO and coach.
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How is this loss not on a shitty coached team. Is he the leader of a team the was a penalty riddled mess that shot them selves in the foot at every opportunity or was that some other team? Asking for a friend.
Of course is the same drivel from the same people about how that's not the case but freak them annoying idiots.
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Dodged a huge bullet by missing almost the entire game. Guess my game day thread streak is over.
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How is this loss not on a shitty coached team. Is he the leader of a team the was a penalty riddled mess that shot them selves in the foot at every opportunity or was that some other team? Asking for a friend.
Of course is the same drivel from the same people about how that's not the case but freak them annoying idiots.
I don't know what people are watching when they absolve all fault from Gase. Just because we've succumbed to the fact that he is going to be here next year, doesn't mean he's free from criticism.
Gase freaking sucks. We will NEVER reach the playoffs with him here, and one can only hope he doesn't ruin Sam.
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I don't know what people are watching when they absolve all fault from Gase.
That's a freaking mystery to me.
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How is this loss not on a shitty coached team. Is he the leader of a team the was a penalty riddled mess that shot them selves in the foot at every opportunity or was that some other team? Asking for a friend.
Of course is the same drivel from the same people about how that's not the case but freak them annoying idiots.
How is this loss not on a shitty coached team. Is he the leader of a team the was a penalty riddled mess that shot them selves in the foot at every opportunity or was that some other team? Asking for a friend.
Of course is the same drivel from the same people about how that's not the case but freak them annoying idiots.
Gase is a bad coach, there's no denying it.
But we had to put Tom freaking Compton out there and he looked like he thought he was in freaking UFC.
Gase is a coach who can make the Jets a middle of the pack 6-9 win team with a roster that's not full of udfa starting. Ans I have a mediocre amount of faith he can benefit Darnold
What he can't do is realize he freaking sucks at everything else. The dude can't adjust, he can't scheme blocking running anything.
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That's a freaking mystery to me.
I wouldn't say it absolves Gase as he's clearly not good.
But when you have someone like Compton forced out there doing God knows what, the only way you can coach around that is to bench or cut his derriere
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I never thought I'd say this but I really wish Darnold scrambled more. I counted three plays where he could have gotten some decent yardage to better set up the next down or maybe get the first himself where he just threw it down the field to a covered receiver or tossed it away.
We talked about this after the last game with the throw to Anderson when he had 20 yards open to run in front of him but this is a game where it hurt us. No turnovers but it either set up third-and-longs that didn't need to happen or brought out the punt team. I'm not sure if this is coming from Darnold's own mindset or if it is coming from Gase and Danger Zone.
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Gase is a bad coach, there's no denying it.
But we had to put Tom freaking Compton out there and he looked like he thought he was in freaking UFC.
Gase is a coach who can make the Jets a middle of the pack 6-9 win team with a roster that's not full of udfa starting. Ans I have a mediocre amount of faith he can benefit Darnold
What he can't do is realize he freaking sucks at everything else. The dude can't adjust, he can't scheme blocking running anything.
I get our OL blows, but not every NFL team is trotting out an OL filled with pro-bowlers a la the Cowboys. That's where our proclaimed offensive guru should adjust the game plan to account for the deficit.
I'll say it again...Cincy has the worst run D in the league...and we ran it 15 times, and I don't recall seeing a run to the edges, once.
It's like Gase is trying to prove something to rather than putting the team in a position to succeed. #GFYGase
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Anderson and Berrios dropping balls that hit both hands were big turning plays, as was a long run getting called back, as was a brutal safety call late, as was terrible line play--including from 2 players I've defended a lot: Beachum and Harrison.
That said, anyone defending Gase after this needs to stop. This team played flat all game in all 3 phases. You can't come out like they did against Oakland, then pull this garbage yesterday.
17 rushes for 62 yards (3.65 average) against the league's worst run defense. That's defending the indefensible. And since I've seen the "well it wasn't that successful anyway" argument, Joe Mixon had 19 runs for 44 yards, which is a 2.32 average.
But please, tell me how the offensive genius deserves more time to implement his system.
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Oh, also, I can't remember who said it, but one of the guys was asked what Gase said to them after the game. He responded, "He told us we didn't execute."
The guy never takes the blame when they lose. In fairness, he credited the players when they won, but he never takes an ounce of blame.
#FGase
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Oh, also, I can't remember who said it, but one of the guys was asked what Gase said to them after the game. He responded, "He told us we didn't execute."
The guy never takes the blame when they lose. In fairness, he credited the players when they won, but he never takes an ounce of blame.
#FGase
He's not wrong. They didn't execute well. May be one or a combination of bad coaching, poor talent, and poor play. I can't judge the coaching because I don't know how they practiced.
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He's not wrong. They didn't execute well. May be one or a combination of bad coaching, poor talent, and poor play. I can't judge the coaching because I don't know how they practiced.
You're right, they didn't execute well. But they also didn't run plays to be successful, and they didn't adjust at any point.
I said in my first post, there were a lot of problems with players (OL, Anderson and Berrios dropping the ball, etc.) but coaching was a problem. I really don't understand how anyone can deny that. It's not either coaching stunk or the players did. It can be--and was--both.
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He's not wrong. They didn't execute well. May be one or a combination of bad coaching, poor talent, and poor play. I can't judge the coaching because I don't know how they practiced.
Anderson dropped a TD, Berrios dropped a first down inside the 20, both early when we needed to step on them. The O line sabotaged any productive play in the 3rd before finally giving up 2 points and possession. Defense couldn't get off the field in any big spot, special teams set us up inside the 15 most of the game. Not sure who executed well except Darnold, who didn't turn it over and hit receivers when he had a second to throw the ball.
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Darnold not turning it over is probably the sole silver lining.
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Darnold not turning it over is probably the sole silver lining.
Take the small victories. Young QB learning (another) new offense, there's going to be inconsistency, but that's a positive step.